| IVOD_ID |
17523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17523 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2026061147 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
「幼兒教育及照顧法」修法公聽會 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會公聽會（事由：「幼兒教育及照顧法」修法公聽會） |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-15T14:00:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-15T14:37:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:36:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-06-15T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會公聽會（事由：「幼兒教育及照顧法」修法公聽會） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:00:21 - 14:37:00 |
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谢谢观看 |
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好現在開會進行幼兒教育及照顧法修法公聽會台灣生育率長期名列世界倒數在多數的家庭敢不敢生敢不敢再生變成了許多的考量托育教育這些都是最重要的開銷之一也是最現實必須要面對的事情 |
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最沉重的關鍵我們的考量因素大多數都是所有的家庭所面對最務實的一個問題從孩子出生開始托嬰中心保母幼兒園學費相關照顧的成本我們應該重視往往佔掉整個家庭收入相當大的一個比例 |
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更容易面臨托育付不出工作辭不掉長輩顧不動的困境在多重壓力的夾擊之下家庭對生育的猶豫是對未來能否長期負擔托育教育以及居住成本的一個理性盤算 |
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若托育與學費只能依靠個別家庭自行的吸收少子女化就會成為一個結構性的一個根本問題生得起的人越來越少選擇不生或者是只生了一個的人越來越多 |
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因此基于教育平权如何透过制度设计提供家庭适切的育儿支持分担养育的成本已经成为当即急需面对的重要政策课题除了持续扩大公共化教保服务量能外我们也应该检视现行的补助制度是否公平可敬相关并且兼顾服务品质 |
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支援配置相關的效率來回應不同家庭型態區域差異的實際需求逐步重建家庭對生養教育環境的信心在此背景下我們也看到了近日執政黨所提出的政策0到18歲 |
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給予的相關成長津貼是不是符合社會的期待跟需求我們也希望今天都能夠促成本日公聽會的討論提綱讓大家能夠廣泛討論當然在野黨也有提出不管是上下學期美學期兩萬元還有 |
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健保0到6歲免費還有相關的育兒0到15歲的每月5000元的相關政策我們都希望一起來討論討論提綱基於教育平權如何依地區需求給予家庭育兒負擔的支持 |
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還有近年青獅衝突申訴案件逐漸的增加影響教育現場的運作跟信任關係的建立如何有效的緩解 |
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再來第三物價房價接連成長年輕人不敢生不敢養探討孩童育兒成本家庭支出與負擔首先先介紹在場的學者專家我們依照簽到的順序來介紹第一位高雄市教育職業工會政策中心任懷民主人謝謝 |
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第二位台中市幼兒教育暨福利協會陳薇江理事長第三位屏東縣教育產業工會法務中心吳宗勳副執行長謝謝第四位中華民國兒童教保聯合總會蔣淑榮總會長謝謝第五位全國家長團體聯盟林淑玲副理事長謝謝 |
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第六位 全國幼兒暨教保人員聯盟總會鄭豐福創會總會長 謝謝第七位 高雄市家長協會曾國陽理事 謝謝第八位 中華幼兒教育協會蘇傳成理事長 謝謝 感恩第九位 全國幼教產業工會王亞林理事 謝謝 |
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第十位 全國教保產業工會 簡瑞蓮理事 謝謝第十一位 中華民國幼教聯合總會 葉若喬總會長 謝謝接著介紹政府機關代表教育部政務次長 張亮萬堅次長 |
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教育部國民及學生教育署署長彭復原衛生福利部及社會及社會及家庭署副組長陳曉英謝謝國家發展委員會社會發展處專門委員蘇愛娟行政院主計總署公務預算處專門委員王淺凱謝謝 |
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好接著其餘列席的機關代表請參與名單不再主義介紹並列入公報紀錄為了能夠順利讓大家表達意見我們做如下的處理每位發言時間為7分鐘在第6分鐘時我們會有鈴聲提醒7分鐘結束時會有一個結束鈴聲 |
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學者專家發言順序以前到先後的順序為準現場發言及書面資料立法院會做成記錄刊登公報本院委員盧耀發言請於下午3點30分請至主席台登記我們會在會議中穿插安排並依序發言 |
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3点30以后登记的委员我们会安排在所有的学者专家发言完毕后再按登记的发言来顺序如需提前发言我们会再试状况来斟酌处理现在先请张料案件次长就现行的规定执行的状况相关的问题提出说明时间7分钟 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生大家好感謝各位對學權教育的關心今天大院教育文化委員會召開了幼兒教育及照顧法的修法公聽會那麼本部應邀列席並聆聽各位委員各界先進以及專家學者的意見自感榮幸那麼幼兒教育及照顧法自公佈實施以來歷經了五次 |
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滾動的修正那麼其能保障幼兒安全以及接受適當教保服務的權益那麼本部請就本次公聽會相關的議題來進行說明請各位先進指教那麼有關提綱的回應部分第一點那麼在政府作為年輕家庭的後盾縮小不同教保體系補助差距給予家庭教育 |
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家庭育儿负担支持方面 沈着少子女化成因复杂对策多元化而且涉及到劳动教育经济住居等不同面向所以行政院参考了国际推动的经验统筹了14个部会的资源在107年的时候合定了我国少子女化对策计划 |
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那麼透過推動幼兒全面照顧友善家庭的就業職場兒童健康權益與保護友善生養的相關配套等四大面向的措施在財政可負擔的情況下呢多管齊下滾動調整策略第二針對兩歲以上一直到 |
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入國民小學以前幼兒教育及照顧那麼是朝向以增加家長更多選擇平價教保服務機會為主要政策的方向本部透過擴大增設公共化幼兒園來減輕家長育兒負擔的策略來提供家長支持的措施那麼其中在擴大增設公共幼兒園的部分 |
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本部依據各行政區幼兒人數以及幼兒園供需的情形協助各地方政府從116年到114年累計增加公共化幼兒園3922班其中包括增設了含轉型的兩歲專班一共有1377班 |
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114學年度公共化幼兒園合計共可提供26.7萬個就學的名額 |
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那麼在減輕家長育兒負擔方面那麼考量家長對托育需求各有差異所以依照家長選擇子女托育的型態那麼提供不同的補助模式那麼針對就讀公共化基準公共幼兒園者家長每生每月繳費數額以不超過三千元為主那麼第二台以上會再加優惠 |
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那麼低收中低收的家庭子女是完全免費那麼針對家長自行照顧或者是就讀一般私立幼兒園者每生每月就發給幼兒津貼或五歲的幼兒就學補助五千元那麼第二胎以上會再加發就是所謂的第一胎五千第二胎六千第三胎七千 |
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那麼最近賴清德總統提出了台灣人口對策的新戰略那麼除了銜接0到6歲國家一起養的政策之外呢116年也就是明年會更進一步來推動0到18歲成長津貼的支持措施每月再加發5000元就是在現有的政策之下呢再外加每個月5000元那麼第三 |
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提供有關預防及緩解侵屍衝突及申訴案件方面本部業餘在教保相關人員違法事件調查處理辦法第九條明定未具真實姓名或足以識別其身份之資訊或屬班級經營或其他非屬違法事件等檢舉案件不予受理 |
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那麼在檢舉內容如果有涉及到幼生安全保護案件者考慮幼生年齡較小應予適當之保護照顧仍應予受理那麼注意教保服務機構人員違法對待幼兒子案件 |
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依法系交由直轄市縣市主管機關所設置認定委員會來調查處理那麼其成員均為外聘之教保與兒童福利學者專家以及教保家長團體代表等並定期辦理培訓以提升其專業資能以利於調查之公平公正那麼最後我們希望 |
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未來本部能夠持續廣納各界意見那麼在現有的基礎上持續精進幼兒教保服務品質以及相關的協助措施以健全友善的成長環境那麼以上報告敬請各位委員及各界先進不定指教謝謝各位好謝謝其餘提出書面報告機關代表除書面外有無口頭說明 |
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機關代表說明完畢 相關書面資料請各位參閱並列入公報記錄接下來我們請學者專家來發言首先請任懷民主任發言主席以及各位來賓大家午安我是高雄市教師職業工會政策中心的主任任懷民 |
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那我今天報告主要是針對提綱二第三方協調機制發表意見不過呢針對提綱一二第一跟三我也有一點小小的回應針對就是補助是不是能夠解決年輕人生育不敢生育的問題我個人是持懷疑的態度我自己有一個女兒今年31歲那麼她 |
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跟她高中交往到現在的男朋友現在都在台北工作那我媽每次見到我呢都在跟我催你女兒怎麼還不結婚那我是既不敢催也不敢問因為我知道他們擔心的是什麼 |
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那一個月五千塊的補助就能夠讓他們趕生 趕婚趕育了嗎趕婚趕生了嗎我很懷疑那要提高到多少才夠呢我們的國家財政負擔的了嗎那我還是覺得說真的要解決年輕人趕婚趕育還是要從建立一套全面的婚育支持系統而不是靠 |
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補助這個知識性能包括什麼呢?包括要真的能夠減輕他們生活成本的壓力第二個要能夠建立一個友善育兒的職場制度第三個就是今天大家關心的就是我們的托育幼教跟客戶輔導的這整個讓年輕人可負擔可信任的這一整套的幼托系統 |
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那唯有這個比較全面的支持系統建立起來才能夠給年輕人敢婚敢生的信心好 那回到我今天要跟大家報告的主題是有關第三方協調機制那首先我先說結論那我們是覺得 |
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第三方協調其實有它的功能所以呢但是它其實是還需要有其他的配套以及現有制度的改善所以本會是有條件的支持第三方協調的機制那首先在講這個所謂的條件之前呢我先簡單的做一下就是當前這個 |
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幼兒園侵蝕衝突的這個結構性的原因大概可以分成三個第一個就是現在在教學現場這些幼教保人員他們其實承受了極大的工作壓力那這個裡面包括兩個原因一個是就是 |
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地方政府為了省錢 就是走法規的漏洞有些縣市還允許所謂的半班一師的專門家一個班只有一個老師 因為他的學生人數不足 |
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讓一個老師單獨面對這些小朋友這些小朋友其實年齡很小有很多問題 不如年齡比較大的所以一旦有什麼問題都需要一個老師來獨自解決 都沒有個屁手第二個問題是幼兒園不像是國中小孩老師他們有所謂的空堂 |
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你沒有課的時候至少可以喘一口氣利用空堂的時候但是幼兒園沒有空堂這個概念他是全時只要小朋友在場他都要全時的去照顧小朋友不管是教學活動還是其他的活動 |
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他都需要照顧於是呢他是整天繃緊了神釘在他的工作職場上那這樣子他的心理壓力很大於是呢經常有遇到有侵蝕爭執的時候他都會 |
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情緒緊繃的採取所謂防衛性防衛性的處理的這個態度那也就容易造成衝突那這個追根究柢就是因為他的工作壓力那第二個其實早上的那一場早上的那一場公聽會其實就有那個代表有提出建議叫做叫做教師的離線權這個 |
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那個立法者或是我們的主管機關應該要考慮尤其是針對幼兒園幼兒園可能比一般的國中學老師可能還更需要這個教師的離線權 |
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休息的時間都沒有那第二個原因就是目前的這個申訴制度目前幼兒園的申訴制度有兩個重要缺失一個就是他不是實名投訴 |
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那這個在那個三級學校的這個投訴制度裡面是早就已經立法建立必須要實名投訴那目前幼兒園卻沒有所以也就造成了這個所謂零成本的零成本的投訴造成這個爛數的這個風氣大盛也就造成了這個老師們的這個這個對就欺世紀念這個不信任所以現場調查就已經出現就是 |
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有八成以上的老師覺得侵屍監獄不信任是存在的還有第三個原因我就略過我就直接跳到我所謂的有條件接受第三方協議這三個配套措施必須要先建立起來才有辦法獲得有效的協調的效果第一個就是應該要入法 |
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因為如果不入法的話 現有的調查機制是法定的家長不見得願意接受這個地震案 那也就不會有真正的協調效果那第二個當然就是 協調的過程需要有 |
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具有幼教專業的人以及輔導背景的人來參與這樣才真的有辦法了解雙方第一線幼教現場的處境才有辦法達成協調的效果最後一個條件就是 |
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就是小型的幼兒園所其實他們沒有對接的對口他們沒有辦法處理這個協調機制有待主管機關教育局能夠成立協調中心當真的有這個需要的時候他們要主動派遣小組進駐這個缺乏對口機構的小型幼兒園所以上 謝謝 |
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好謝謝主任第二位我們邀請陳維江理事長有請我們兩邊都可以喔 |
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主席 各位委員 還有我們的長官 還有我們的媒體朋友 大家午安我是台中市幼兒教育及福利協會的理事長陳維江今天來這邊 從台中過來這邊主要就是要來感謝也順便支持我們 |
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我們的主席還有那個裕民立委還有佩翔立委 曲婷立委還有韋翔立委 還有元浩立委還有其他23位立委提出的一個我們第11021644號的這個提案這部分呢事實上我們是表達非常支持的這種狀況所以我們今天過來的訴求非常非常的簡單 |
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也非常非常的堅定我們強烈的要求必須在幼兒教育及照顧法裡面清清楚楚的立法保障私立育幼單位的補助每個月絕對不能低於新台幣 |
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一萬五千元那這個部分我們為什麼那麼強調說一定要實時的把它鎖在法律裡面呢我用兩個最基本的一個方式來看第一個以現在的狀況我們生不生已經不是那麼簡單的問題已經是一個國安的問題那補助的這種狀況是一個誠意的問題 |
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那大家應該都知道我們目前的狀況台灣的生育率總生育率是全球倒數第一名現在總和生育率跌到0.695那這種狀況其實是非常非常的嚴重那以現行的這種狀況政府補貼的部分是5000塊錢老實說在我們現在高物價 |
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房價的這種狀況之下你可能到超商買個奶粉買個尿布基本上錢就花掉了家長根本就無感那這種狀況怎麼樣去改善呢我們看看我們隔壁的韓國好了2023年的時候他們總出生率是全世界最低的0.72那他們把這件事情當成是 |
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非常非常重要的一件事情把它當成像是在打仗的這種狀況所以呢他直接下了猛藥0到1歲基本上呢就直接給多少100萬韓元也就是說他直接換算成台幣大概是2萬多塊錢 |
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那這種狀況之下他從0.72跳到我們現在他已經跳到0.93了那反觀我們台灣呢從2023從0.87現在已經掉掉到0.695那這種狀況是不是非常非常的嚴重那這證明什麼他錢到位了家長才敢生啦如果說我們給的方式事實上是擠牙膏的方式事實上怎麼辦 |
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長期的這個規劃比如說我今天生個小孩子是一生一世的事情那這個時候給你5000再來可能換個政黨又不一樣那如果說沒有把他立法進去 |
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那年輕人敢生嗎那第二個部分我要強調的部分就是說行政命令基本上隨時都可能會變所以我們強調一定要入法才能讓家長有這個安全感確定性因為我們之前可能都用政策去做調整 |
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如果說可能預算有排擠那事實上都會影響到那所以這個部分如果說可以把它變成是入法的話明文規定那這樣是不是可以給年輕人非常確定的這種狀況讓他們感生那 |
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可能我們來思考一件問題可能說大家覺得這個部分可能是花錢其實我們可以把它當成一個概念我們把它當成是一種投資是一種保險想看看我們多生一個小孩子那我們的未來是不是多了一個納稅人 |
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多了一個勞動力我們現在一直在講護國神山護國神山幾年之後都沒有人了哪還有神山所以這個部分不管我們的財政多困難我們希望韓國做得到我們台灣也一定會做得到希望我們各位委員跟長官支持這個修法讓我們的台灣的下一代有更好的希望謝謝大家 謝謝 |
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好謝謝理事長下一位謝謝下一位郭玉琴委員 |
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好 謝謝主席所有的與會先進大家午安 大家好我想孩子是國家的未來這不是一句口號而是我們的政府其實多年來的一個努力的方向是大家共同要來這個努力的部分那麼面對這個目前我們大家知道這個少子子女化的這樣子的一個結構性的一個挑戰 |
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那如何要透過所謂的監督行政部門相關的一些政策跟執行還有修法那麼建立更完整的一個育兒的後盾那我想的是大家跨黨派的一個共識了那當然剛剛其實我們也聽到這個余輝代表的一個寶貴的意見那當然我們也非常的認同就是在教育平權跟減輕負擔這兩個非常 |
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重要的一個重點喔過去幾年其實在中央跟地方的這個共同的努力之下其實我們也推動了那就是公共化的教保服務以及準公共的一個制度那實質上其實已經降低了許多家庭的一個負擔跟付出喔那我想這一次呢針對這樣子的一個修法的一個討論那我也提供以下幾點喔那能夠跟我們的這個教育部一起來共 |
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共同延伤有一个进进的方向第一点关于补助的法定化跟平权的一个差距我们当然能够理解家长他们希望同时他们也在意有更高的一个政策的预测性跟稳定性 |
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不過站在永續經營的一個角度當然我們也要呼籲就是我們應該要站在所謂的維持行政彈性的一個情況之下那麼要去評估物價的一個波動跟地區的一個差異那麼再透過這個行政措施的一個進行思考如何能夠進一步來縮小各個不同的這個教保體系當中的一些補助的一個落差那同時我們也要維持所謂的這個財政的紀律 |
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那在這樣子的一個前提之下那讓這個有更多的家長也能夠感受到這個實質的一個支持不論是這個准公共或者是我們的這個公立或者是私立的這個幼兒園的家長那第二點呢其實近幾年來尤其是最近其實我們看到的是在校園當中的親師之間的一個衝突這也是讓我們非常擔憂的這個所謂的親師之間的信任的關係那麼我想也是重中之重 |
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那麼在目前為止我們看到教育現場的壓力非常之大那麼其實之間的一個衝突也的確讓人非常的擔憂 |
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那麼我們希望能夠支持落實這個資訊平權那麼除了要保護第一線辛苦的教保人員以外那當然我們也要讓家長有知的權利尤其是孩子還那麼小那麼與其是單純的所謂的這個加重罰則或者是強制的停職那麼我們當然更希望是如何演繹建立由第三方的一個協調的一個平台這樣子一個軟性的一個機制 |
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用專業跟理性來對話那麼用溝通來取代對立讓我們的孩子能夠在這個托育的環境當中能夠安全無虞這才是真正重中之重那麼最後其實我們想強調就是改革應該是穩中求進那麼我們當然重視每一位家長的期待 |
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但我們也要非常的能夠來理解就是政府財政的一個穩定性而且要維持這個穩定性不能破壞所謂的財政的紀律那我想我們希望能夠繼續由部會來盤點這個預算的一個資源 |
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那麼根據目前的一個社會的環境來適度的來做一些行政上的一個措施跟調整那麼我相信這個大家的目標都是一致的我們要讓這個年輕的家庭感生那麼能養而且並且能夠是在一個充分充滿著信任跟安全的環境當中讓孩子健康平安的長大這是我們共同的目標大家一起努力好 以上好 謝謝國務卿委員 |
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下一位有請吳宗勳副執行長謝謝 |
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主席 教育部的長官各位專家學者大家好我是屏東縣教育產業工會法務中心副執行長吳宗勳那現在台灣少子化的問題非常嚴重怎樣能讓年輕家庭重拾信心跟希望是我們今天要研討的內容那我主要提出三個議題來跟大家一起研討 |
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第一個議題教保資源的公平可及性於補助制度改革現行制度的問題那我實際提出三個建議第一個建議 |
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立即加速擴充公共花兩歲專班目前兩歲以下多餘資源極其匱乏導致許多家父母被迫離職或者延後或放棄生育計畫甚至以承受沉重的經濟壓力直接衝擊許多家庭的生計及女性勞動參與率 |
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公共化兩稅班是提供最直接最有效的解決方案政府必須定定明確的時程與預算列為當務之急 |
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第二個建議是我們現在目前的補助都是固定化的看似表面上的公平但是補助五千塊對一個月收入四五萬的家庭跟一個月收入五萬的家庭他可能代表意義是不一樣的所以可以參考歐洲的國家所得分級比例補貼的經驗 |
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那家庭可分配所得可以分成幾個級距那低所得的家庭補貼的比例可以比較高中高所得的家庭就足及低減同時可以設定家庭教保支出佔可支配所得的比例上限超過的部分由政府來補助這樣每個家庭都可以獲得補助而家庭所得比較低的他幫助就越多這樣可以兼顧水平公平而且垂直公平 |
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第三個建議育兒不是只有錢的問題所以我們建議說要建立0到6歲家庭的喘息支持的制度很多在育兒時間是長期的心理長期消耗 |
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建議參考歐洲的喘息照顧模式由公部門或委託民間提供斷期托育跟居家照顧讓每一個父母每個月能夠獲得固定的時間來休息這不僅是福利而且是支撐年輕父母繼續感染的堅強後盾 |
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第二個議題是親師關係支持與衝突預防機制的核心問題那我們近年來一直又叫不當管教申訴案件一直在增加那這個問題我們必須在要明確去正視那但是不能把全部的責任推給第一線的教保人員許多老師他面臨班級人數過多行政層 |
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那個負擔沉重 心肢急直壓發展受限長期 壓力的負荷那累積很多的情緒也許在情緒一時沒有辦法控制而造成有不當管教的情勢那雖然幼兒園 |
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很多學校有全面裝設監視器但是不但管教人有所聞一直常有所聞但顯示監視永遠無法取代去預防所以我提出兩個建議第一個建議是 |
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明確分流陳情及警局案件避免所有的意見反應都直接進入到正式調查程序這樣才能保護多數盡責老師每一不必要的行政壓力跟心理負擔同時讓真正嚴重的案件能夠快速公正的進入調查真正做到該保護的保護該調查的調查第二個積極推動衝突預防機制就老師的教保人員的心理支持也要 |
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給予那個可以提供那個心理支持的課程那老師的心理衛生要去 |
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多注意那我們也能降低失聲比那個增聘助理人員同時鼓勵人所建立正當管教文化及專業督導制度對二一不當管教的人員必須嚴懲但是也要給多數競爭老師應有的專業尊嚴跟支持避免教師污名化導致優秀人才流失 |
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第三個議題是年輕人不敢生不敢養的根源他從來不是單一的托育費很貴或者買不起房子而是全面性的不確定感他這不確定感來自於高房價低薪資職場不友善教養壓力以及對未來的 |
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而不確定性如果政府只是高喊鼓勵生育的口號但是沒有成為年輕家庭的堅持後盾政策一定效果很有限所以必須要去檢討那這個檢討可能是要去跨部會的所以建議政府成立跨部會的小組整合住宅勞動財政教育 |
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衛福等資源提出長期的具體規劃讓年輕人清楚看到生孩子不是自己在國軍奮鬥而是國家跟社會共同扛起的責任最後台灣少子化的延續我們必須從感生感癢養得好三個面向同步去努力期待政府成為年輕家庭堅實的後盾讓下一代能夠在台灣安心出生跟快樂成長謝謝 |
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好 謝謝下一位有請蔣淑蓉總會長 |
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主席跟各位先進大家好我是中華民國同教保兩個總會總會長蔣淑蓉那今天參與這個議題主要是要談我們少子化的問題已經是非常嚴重我想談這個議題之前我們現在想一件事情每個人都在談所謂的政策會有一題兩面今天所有的法規看起來我想我們幼教團體其實是全面支持為什麼這樣說呢 |
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前段時間大概很多人因為這個少子化已經越來越嚴重的時候有問過一些議題我想我這邊之前在擔任總會長的時候我也有跟幾個未還的委員談過如何讓家長生跟不生他的議題到底是在哪裡其實要生的家長非常多但是為什麼他生不了 |
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有可能他不孕症有可能他經濟壓力有可能他是環境的問題那不生的理由又是什麼很簡單因為他喜歡自由自在就是現在年輕的家長的概念那我想今天談的是補助的這個議題來說我認為一萬五不低於我們想這是全面支持但是如果能兩萬甚至更高我講一下理由給大家聽一下 |
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大家聽一下養一個0到6歲的孩子光奶粉每個月2000伙食費是5000以上尿布1500以上衣服4000以上這些費用加起來都已經差不多16000了那你說你補助他15000我想家長除了 |
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要不要買房子要不要買車子這件事情他就認為他可能沒有辦法去支持我想孩子我們現在重點要放在孩子的身上而不是放在哪一個機構哪一個團體的身上如果今天孩子的照顧我們講健康問題那我就想跟大家分享 |
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我不知道大家知不知道孩子的自費疫苗有多少錢輪狀病毒2000水痘疫苗兩劑2000肺炎三劑4000腸病毒4000到4300要三劑腦炎6000到6500六合一自費要2100流感疫苗兩劑1500我想這疫苗加起來費用也是非常可觀我們在談反觀韓國最近在這個生育率有成長 |
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韓國第一個講的就叫做重金補助為什麼這樣說如果你的補助沒辦法讓家長真的在於這個所謂的疫苗啦房價啦物價上面有感那麼你的育兒你的育兒方式怎麼樣去跟他改善你怎麼樣多元你都沒有辦法去支持一個家長想要去好好養育孩子的一個問題我想補助他可以綁定的是什麼教育 |
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因為大家都知道我們最近談幼照法也好兒托法也好都在談法的時候我完全沒有看到任何家庭的部分家庭教育重不重要絕對重要所以我想任何的補助應該還是要讓家長共同來支持那我們看一下韓國韓國其實他每個月的補助平均換算下來是台幣20849.64元你說他這個補助高嗎 |
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我想不管高不高韓國確實在這個所謂的補助真的是這個在少子化的部分也讓他就是有成長那第二個我其實要談的就是剛才有些夥伴也談到這個幼兒教育的部分這個親師溝通我想是最近非常火熱的話題在幼兒園裡面我曾經聽到一個不生孩子的媽媽跟我說她覺得孩子是不是出生就會被兒虐 |
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我觉得这个不管是教育部还是卫福部要去思考一下为什么一般还没有生孩子家长会有这样的观念是不是我们在媒体的这个渲染上有过于偏颇了或者是让家长觉得我的孩子生出来我没办法找到一个好的人好的老师来照顾这个也是我们觉得很奇怪的再来第三个我认为车子跟房子重不重要对于年轻爸妈来说也很重要你小孩一定要接送那孩子的车子怎么办 |
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当他有孩子的车子的时候我觉得整个台湾的交通都没有谈到如何去友善有孩子的这个车辆这个问题无论是娃娃车无论是自己有孩子这个车辆一直都是没有办法改善所以我认为无论是家长接送我们上次在儿童法有提过家长接送面临这个红线临停或是要接送孩子在机构上下学的时候 |
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也完全沒有辦法得到這個友善的一個所謂的一個方式所以我認為總會這邊大家提出在於要生孩子之前的所謂的補助一定也要增加那在於我們在幼兒教育的這一塊0到6歲的補助我們就參採韓國的部分我認為不低於1萬5以上是我們全部總會我們都會去支持的一件事但對於老師友善跟所謂溝通機制我們當然也贊成 |
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是不是應該有取代這個不當管教條例這一件事情來讓老師比較能夠安心的照顧孩子也讓家長跟老師之間的溝通形成最好的一個橋樑那這邊當然也呼籲我們政府對於任何的補助當然我們回到小孩的身上去關心關懷孩子需要的是什麼我想現在最嚴重是叫特教生 |
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现在每个学校都有非常多的特教生我认为特教生的师资不足之外再加上家长对于特教生怎么如何去教养也没有办法有这样的一个尝试是不是能够也绑定所谓特教生的家庭 |
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這個是真的在於孩子的安全感所以以我們0到6歲教育來說其實0到3他是一個養成教育我們希望的是不要再讓更多的老師遠離這個幼教職場也讓孩子在這個教養照顧上能夠讓 |
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更多能夠穩定的這個師資讓孩子真的在家長忙碌的時候也能夠有照顧他的老師然後希望呢整體的環境能夠好好的去改善那在這邊當然也很感謝我們主席針對這一個議題我想這個是非常重要的議題而且是必須要常態來去去召開這樣的會議讓更多更多元的機構或是更多元的家庭我們來探討如何來減少 |
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少子化的問題以上是我們的總會報告 謝謝好 謝謝總會長下一位陳培育委員 |
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好谢谢主席那根据今天的公听会我们对照的是上官右照法的修法那我先说一下我自己的修法版本内容主要是针对其实刚刚有很多前辈先进也有提到关于家庭教育的部分那不过呢对应现在3C的困境我想要提出另外一个是关于阅读教育的需求我们知道其实阅读看起来是很古典又很古老的 |
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以前在大家心目中叫做興趣但是對於我來說現在其實是孩子們必備的基本能力但是可能從來沒有人想過閱讀這件事情是需要被教育的而老師其實是需要被協助的而家長也是需要被支持的所以在我們辦公室的修法版本裡面是把所有跟閱讀的很多倡議放進去我們希望在幼教階段就可以從老師端從家長端刻意的協助孩子培養出好的閱讀能力因為現在所有家長都對3C感覺到非常非常痛苦 |
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但是过去可能没有人很认真很严肃的很正式的让家长知道我们孩子长时间接触3C到底会发生什么事情其实在台湾就有台师大的台湾幼儿发展调查资料库他们累积了10年的资料长期追踪台湾的小孩每天的亲子共度还有接触电子产品的时间跟比例 |
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目前一岁小孩里面呢有10%只有10%的家庭有亲子共读的习惯却有将近60%的小孩已经开始看电视接触手机平板电脑到了两岁呢却已经有93%的小孩是天天接触3C而每日亲子共读的比例最高在两岁的时候只有18% |
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那也就是說在0到3歲我們覺得是大腦發育很重要的黃金認知階段小孩天天使用電子產品的比例已經超過9成而且在現在台灣家長認知不足的情況之下這個比例是年紀越小使用時間越長那我們都發現 |
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長期使用電子產品在越小的小孩會造成什麼影響呢認知語言社交情緒身體動作還有整體發展狀況都會有明顯的負面影響這個是台灣自己的資料庫台灣的小孩發育情況所看出來的報告那至於在美國早期學習諮詢委員會的研究也說二到六歲的幼兒正處於高等認知功能發展的關鍵時期 |
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所谓高等认知发展关键包含会影响的是日后的阅读数学运算逻辑等思考能力在这个阶段我们给孩子进行的任何活动还有教育跟发展都会影响到小孩大脑的发育所以回过来看我们都已经知道大脑发育在0到6岁非常重要也知道3C的产品会造成这么多危害确实刚刚如同前一位老师所说的 |
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我们的家庭教育这一段到底有没有人意识到必须要积极的协助家长去认知到这个事情的困境而认知之后家长在家里又该怎么做学校老师又该如何配合我觉得这件事情也是在未来修法的时候我们需要共同去面对的困境那现在的教育系统里面呢没有办法给予老师强度的支持导致于老师很多时候其实在学校是接收到孩子们在家里头所受到不好3C的影响所带来的负面 |
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效果就投射在學校老師的現場導致很多幼教保的現場老師痛苦值不小於國中小老師所以我想我們辦公室之所以會把閱讀放進來就是看起來它好像是一個很簡單的事情但對現在家長來說必須要讓他們意識到有這件事情的重要同時 |
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政府端如何给予资源去支持家长真的可以做这件事情非常非常的重要所以呢如果回过头来看虽然是幼兆法可是我们把孩子刚刚说的台师大长期最终资料来看108课刚上路之后每一年国中会考每一科的次数都已经破万次最多次数的自然科甚至高达一万两千次 |
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光是要阅读完就需要花费时间如果孩子在3C破碎的时间所养育出来的大脑他要如何回到学术科目的学习其实非常的困难而且现在的会考也好或者是孩子们未来面对的社会都不是一个有标准答案的社会他们必须要能够理解脉络对真相要解决问题甚至 |
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最近大家说不是解决问题而是提出问题而这样的能力显得特别重要但应该从什么时候开始培养就是零岁开始那很多国内外的研究告诉我们学龄前的年纪是大脑发展最关键的时候我认为政府部门必须要在这个时期加大对下一代的投资教育部在前几年开始把 |
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我們關注的閱讀能力往下延伸目前在國中小階段已經有固定的法定預算可以協助學校買書甚至設計閱讀教室的推進計畫讓很多有心在協助孩子培養閱讀能力的老師在現場有多一些餘裕當然我們認為未來都還可以更好可是目前在學前階段卻沒有這樣的修法也沒有這樣的預算也沒有這樣的政策視野所以我們會希望未來在討論修法的時候可以把這個部分放進去 |
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以上 谢谢 |
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好 謝謝我們下一位林淑玲副理事長謝謝 有請 |
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首先我要謝謝主席一剛開始就在影院裡頭述明其實多數的家長敢不敢生跟敢不敢再生的考量中托育跟教育費用始終是最現實的剛剛我們次長所言其實跟教育部跟地方的政府合作其實公共化幼兒園目前增設了3922班 |
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针对总工的部分已不超过缴费3000元不过我们全国家长团体联盟我们家长端希望我们政府在推动0到6岁国家一起养的政策时应该要以支持孩子而非区分体系为核心思维 |
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讓我們補助真正跟著孩子走跟著我們的家庭需求走讓補助能夠真正的減輕我們家庭的負擔選擇權回歸我們家長其實選擇最適合的教保服務跟教育環境是符合政府在推動幼兒教育政策上面應該要以 |
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支持我們家庭為出發點而並不是以特定的教保體系作為補助的優先對象我們主張幼兒的教育補助應該跟著家長讓補助跟著孩子走讓家長能在公共化非營利跟私利等不同的教保體系中做出最符合我們孩子利益的選擇 |
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當我們家長擁有真正的選擇權我想不僅能夠促進各類教保機構的良性發展更能夠落實以孩子為中心的教育理念我想教育平權的核心不是限制選擇而是讓每個家庭都能在公平的支持下安心的選擇最適合孩子的教育環境 |
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尤其剛剛我們郭委員有所提說要在符合我們的財政的紀律下不要為了效率而犧牲了程序不過我想以我自己所處的鄉鎮我們113年羅東鎮的出生率是379人一個鎮 |
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然後114年才生出263個孩子在一年當中已經少了三分之一的一個出生率我想人口紅率的消失傻逼不見得能解決少子化不過五感的補助五感的支持其實就跟沒做其實是一樣的我想育兒 |
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不只是我们家庭的失势是我们国家永续发展的重要基础补助的政策应该要以减轻我们家庭的负担为核心降低我们家长在托育教育跟照顾上的压力让我们年轻的世代愿一生敢于养还有安心教这是我们对于第一项 |
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的部分上面然後第二個的部分就是我們第二個提案的部分就是建言部分就是我們建立教師夥伴的關係讓我們的信任能夠取代對立 |
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家长跟老师其实原本就站在同一阵线上我们共同关心孩子的成长跟学习的安全我们认为问题不是谁对谁错而是如何让我们彼此能够理解所以我们支持成立第三方的调和机制建议我们的地方的政府由人才库里挑选适合的调和人选并共同参与 |
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成立協和的這個機制裡頭的協調的平台在我們正式申訴的程序啟動之前能夠透過我們專業的協調跟溝通協助我們雙方能夠釐清問題消除誤解讓我們的衝突有機會被化解 |
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而不是持續擴大然後近年來我也希望我們的政府機關能夠真正的支持家長能夠增加我們親師溝通的雙向能力近年我們的親師衝突跟申訴的案件持續的增加反映的不只是個案問題更是我們親師溝通 |
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跟互信不足的现象我们支持研议建立成立第三方的协调机制在争议初期就能够介入协助沟通跟调解避免误解扩大为对立同时我们也希望能够积极推动我们的家长真能的亲子教育提升我们家长理解教育专业跟亲师沟通的能力 |
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可以强化我们教师跟家长的双向的对话机制透过预防沟通跟协调的并重能够重建我们亲师伙伴的关系共同营造友善跟信任的教育环境然后我们的诉求其实很简单 |
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我們就是希望我們的孩子能夠被公平的對待我想我們家長端一直都有這樣的一個想法也一直跟我們所有的部門裡頭也一直表達我們的期待不過我想我們的政府部門在這個地方做了一個最不好的示範基本上就讓我們的孩子貼了標籤 |
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公司的孩子沒有得到相同的補助跟支持這對於我們家長團體來說我們會期待這個公平能夠從政府機關首先能夠做起我想有任何的任何的公共政策我想首先就是要讓我們家長端能夠知道我們都能夠被公平的對待謝謝好 謝謝 |
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我們下一位政風府創會長總會長創會總會長有請我們召集人羅委員還有我們教育部的長官還有我們在座的各位好朋友大家好九年前我就來這邊也是講少子話當時是賴清德總統當行政院長的時候專題演講也是在同一個地方講了九年沒有用為什麼說沒有用呢我們政府 |
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做很多事情我很感動但是真的效果不好所以少子化還是一樣嚴重那我今天要請問政府的就是說政府不要說我們政府補助多少應該說我們全民的錢是不是要來補助我們的新增貸可能很多人說補助1萬好像很多 |
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我們現在GDP已經超過日本 超過韓國 韓國已經兩萬多了那韓國的生意率往上跑 我們是往下掉意思是說我們是亞洲最棒的 股市也全球第五每天光那個增加稅就三十五億這麼樣一個國家 這麼好的國家 |
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那我們政府一直說 我沒有做啦 做得很好啊 啊 財政預算有限啊啊 到底要不要救 我先做一個分析啊好 我們在2022 國 這是 類似部分 也是國會發表 |
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2022年的時候我們人口是十三萬八千多個人但是我們到2025年呢 剩十萬七千多個人相當每年減少一萬人那2022年呢大家知道嗎 一到五月剩幾個人呢三萬九千人所以今年呢最多是九萬出頭最少是八萬多人 |
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政府說我們的財政預算有限沒有辦法做我請問各位照這個趨勢下我們國外講的2070年我們最低的標準是三萬八千人我告訴各位以一年一萬個人往下推不用2027年可能十年後就這個數目三萬八千人那大家說人就沒關係補助沒有效 |
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真的嗎?九年前我就有講說,從五千開始補助政府也是喊沒有錢,有立委嗆我,說幾乎沒有錢啊你在那邊叫什麼結果我講完以後,下面的人全部拍手所以政府從兩千五、三千五到五千有沒有做?有做了但是我覺得不夠因為我們現在嚴重性是要在2030年,台灣變無人島 |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5552.217 |
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怎麼樣無人島我們所有的資產台灣努力幾代的人這些都要歸零了國力落後 貿落後財政效益到時候不用講 沒有人我們現在救的是下一代用全力你現在說我們國防預算可能上兆但是買來呢誰飛 沒人啊 |
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我們的房子 台北市所有的房子等於零這也不嚴重 嚴重我只是跟政府講說我們為什麼不把我們全部的精力花在救我們的下一代不要往下降就好了嘛 再往上升嘛 |
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最起碼就像瑞典我十年前去瑞典參觀的時候瑞典人口數是剩一點多因為他們補助是全民補助一樣由家長去決定他要讀什麼學校你要讀好一點的學校家長多出一點錢你要說經濟不好了你就讀政府辦的用政府補助的下一系統就夠了他們的生育率是一點將近2 |
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先進國家那我們現在也號稱是亞洲應該是輸新加坡而已啦但是我們呢更糟啦全世界最後一名0.69那我們這個我們少子化呢這邊都會發生最嚴重的我們連台積電前幾天在講我們找不到以後找不到技術員找不到工程師 |
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龍頭企業全世界十強的公司都說我們找不到技術人員我們找不到工程師或許大家不會警覺啊反正政府的錢就這樣而已就固定這樣噴但是當走到一步的時候沒有人的時候台灣等於零啦好往下那 |
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我們喔 我提出三個方面來跟各位先輩我們遊戲教育部來探討一下我們補助一萬五多嗎我們絕對做得到你一般的家庭零到六歲零到六歲的小孩子這個數據是有統計的是到兩萬五零到六歲是花費是兩萬五 |
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我們陳時中部長以前有統計過本來要花三萬的因為他真正統計是三萬但是不知道為什麼被政府擋下來第二點呢我都說補助就要開大一點讓年輕人願意生第二個我們的社會住宅喔應該讓有小孩子優先去籌 |
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由政府帶頭讓年輕人願意生因為他有得住政府又補助他錢絕對願意生第三個呢我們政府現在開始要做的就是生育假延長這是我百萬之百的贊成其實是要多管道去進行啦不是只有說我補助一個錢就解決了不是這樣社會住宅虎山韓國的虎山你只要生第一個給你20年免租金 |
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生第二個 這個房子送給你台灣做得到嗎 做得到我們公共住宅 社會住宅很多政府要不要做提升我們的生育率是我們未來台灣的希望不要讓台灣變成無人島謝謝各位好 謝謝川會總會長感謝 |
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我們下一位曾國陽高雄市家長協會理事那也跟我們專家學者報告我們是不是曾理事講完以後我們休息五分鐘 |
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OK 謝謝主席還有謝謝我們教育部所有的長官的列席首先我是高雄市教育協會理事曾國陽我要代表我們教育協會感謝高雄市政府的教育局 |
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因為其實最近高雄市有很多新聞爭端我相信大家都有看到然後其實我看到的是我們教育局長是很用心的當事件發生的時候他們第一時間就是測驗然後詢問校長然後一直積極在處理 |
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所以我也要在這裡要先呼籲各位前輩可以多多支持我們公部門像署長、次長他們其實都很辛苦因為他們真的是為教育有在做事當然我們希望透過一個理性的溝通能夠讓整個事情可以圓滿那至於說其實剛剛這裡討論提到的三點第一點教育評選的部分 |
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其實基於憲法保障人民受教權和平等的原則其實每一個孩子他都應該要享有實質平等的機會其實因為我們家長的觀察然後我們想提出的建議最簡單的是說其實現階段私幼他是補助坦白說是偏少的那偏少的情況下私幼常常被定義成貴族學校 |
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有錢人的專屬學校但事實上師幼並不是代表說他真的是貴族他只是很貴的族群在念為什麼叫很貴的族群因為他學費高昂因為他沒有政府部署 |
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所以其實在這一點核心訴求的部分其實我想要提到的是說其實私有它因為主管機關它要核定這個私有的學費多少才可以真正去做這樣的收費所以其實大家會有一個迷思是今天針對私有補助的情況下可能這一些錢就落入遠方的口袋但事實上我覺得其實在家長的角度 |
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我覺得其實我要再提出一個預期的效益就是說其實我們常看到我們大樓下面就有私立幼兒園但是很悲哀的是我們大樓的委員他們說他們賭不起樓下的因為 |
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這個私立幼兒園沒有補助他得跑遠一點花了很多時間把孩子載到更遠的公幼飛營或準公幼 |
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所以其實在這一點來講其實我覺得應該要接近日本因為日本其實在他們在不管是公幼私幼補助的情況下他們都是一致的他們沒有公私幼之分然後他們日本提倡的是就近送託所以很多場我相信很多電影情節裡面都有看到就是家長帶著孩子去幼兒園或者騎著腳踏車去幼兒園 |
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然後日本其實他們的幼教政策有一個很值得我們長官們要思考的日本少子化現象發生之後學校學生漸漸不足了他們是先關公幼他們把公幼關起來之後把資源轉過去給私幼發展 |
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這一點我覺得其實應該說長官你們可能也要思考說鄰近國家他們為什麼關公幼然後去補助私幼那當然其實站在家長的角度其實也回過頭剛剛總會長他們也有提到說就是我們還是要回到所謂的市場的自由機制如果今天我們可以提高教育品質的時候我們今天給家長支持 |
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這樣的經費補助當然它是最直接的但是我覺得如果以現階段我們講最難聽的就是其實政府用用保護機制去保護了一些劣質元素然後限制私有的補助拉高招生門檻這樣的行政手段只是真的是讓一些 |
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應該說不好體制上早應該被淘汰的他又活了下來所以我強調這個就是太弱流暢的部分 |
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那當然其實針對育兒津貼的提高這個部分我相信剛剛有很多前輩也追溯很多那我就不再講那第二個部分其實是教保爭議的部分首先我應該也要感謝剛剛是教育局因為我們在家長學會在一一四年教神會有提出然後今年國教署四月二號的時候也有回覆說研議評估研議當中 |
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那教保正義條和委員會其實它跟校師會議是有差異因為母法不一樣所以執法也不可能會相通當然我們今天想要去提的教保正義其實明天我們高雄市議會也會有會有這樣的公聽會但是它是針對教保正義去做就是校師會議的部分去談那我覺得今天站在這裡今天是幼教的議題的前提之下我覺得我應該要回應說其實 |
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今天幼兒園會發生教保爭議它源於不外乎就是溝通不足認知差異教養觀念不同還有重要的是情緒的累積所以其實我覺得站在家長角度今天教保爭議要談的是要能夠讓家長有一個誠懇的管道你不能只是讓家長透過檢舉網路公審媒體爆料來解決爭端所以其實我覺得在最特別的地方是說 |
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前兩天柯執政委員也在立法院這邊有提到要成立所謂的教師身心健康與權益保障專法 |
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我希望這一個專法如果未來長官們你們演繹的時候能不能將幼教師也納入因為幼教師也需要他們也同樣遭受到這樣的對待那柯委員也有提到說校園衝突仲裁委員會需要專款 |
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然後需要法律協助因為不管是家長他需要負擔的成本或老師需要負擔的成本透過這樣一個仲裁委員會他會更有公信力去做這樣的一個讓事件圓滿 |
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那關於第三點的部分少子化議題我相信應該時間不夠但是我相信這一個是大家的共業但是我希望政府部門能夠看到說我們民間團體所想到的努力謝謝各位好 謝謝曾理事我們先休息五分鐘 |
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再次掌聲鼓勵 |
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然後研究什麼的然後就這樣解決了然後就開始努力了 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食物 |
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我只是把自己寫下來 |
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先期待一下 |
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他之前在美国保险网上发表了一篇文章讲述中国人在美国保险网上发表了一份文章 |
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请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目 |
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哦! |
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其實我這一句話是不太好聽的所以就覺得可以用膠筆來弄弄就好然後它可以激發很多膠劑的反彈我覺得這一句話真的蠻好聽的真的蠻好聽的 |
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沒有很少人講這個話題,因為很少人講這個話題,因為很少人講這個話題,因為很少人講這個話題,因為很少人講這個話題 |
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這裏有個大廈 |
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那個嗎?就是 |
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好 我們現在請大家回到我們的座位我們要馬上開會了接下來我們要有請蘇傳承我們理事長來發言 謝謝 |
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中華幼兒教育協會代表發言首先謝謝庭委召委跟所有委員對我們幼教的關懷和協助也謝謝中央教育部地方教育局處所有的長官當然更要謝謝我們夥伴還在現場 |
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陪伴孩子持續成長首先想要提出一個數據供各位先進參考馬英九前總統2010年首度提出少子化是國安問題的警訊蔡英文前總統 |
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6727.836 |
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2018年指令行政院成立我國少子女化對策計畫辦公室賴清德總統延續這項政策到2025年成效如何2018年全國新生兒1806562025年全國新生兒107812 |
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八年之間減少了七萬兩千八百四十四人平均每年減少九千人以上成效如何不辨自明賴清德總統今年五月二十七號再宣布台灣人口對策新戰略家庭支持點 |
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推動18項措施 其能打造公共知識育兒體系成效如何留待時間驗證回到今天公聽會的議題第一個議題基於教育平權如何做 |
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如何依地区需求给予家庭育儿负担支持以及缩小不同教育体系间的补助差距建立幼儿教育就学补助制度分两部分报告依地区需求给予家庭育儿负担支持 |
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齐头市的平等绝非真平等我们建议育儿补助可以参考类似英国一地区生活消费水准在不同城市所提供的薪资就会有不同的加权补助措施 |
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針對縮小不同教育體系間的補助差距我們建議教育平權不應誘惑在不同教育體系而有差異回歸家長為自家寶貝的教育自主選擇權依據剛開始跟各位報告的數據少子化嚴重到無與附加 |
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理论上教师应该严重炒恶但是失之慌却更为严重背景因素当然非常复杂本会认为最终的关键应该就是一体二今年七十冲突其申诉案件逐年增加 |
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影响教育现场运作与信任关系之建立对此如何有效预防及缓解冲突针对这个议题不知各位先进是否认同滥诉零成本为所有问题之根源最近非常夯的行剧铁拳教育学校比想象中还要混乱韩国教育首长说 |
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教育大变革的答案不在办公桌上而是在学校第一线教育不是行政管理而是关于人的故事我们的教育首长说对于教师团体质疑校师会议滥诉争议教育部推动校师会议制度改革今年一到四月教师的投诉案件为202件较去年同期448件明显下降 |
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進入校事會議程序的案件佔比也有82%將至22%顯示透過案件分流及制度優化許多原本可透過溝通與輔導處理的案件不必再進入正式調查程序針對兩國教育首長的論述與觀點不知各位先進意為如何本人不予置評結論 |
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韩国有教师地位法日本有学校律师制度英国有防止骚扰规范美国有学校安全与法律支持澳洲有家长行为规范与校园保护请问我们有什么法规或政策来保护我们善良的老师呢针对第三个议题 |
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物价房价接连成长年轻人不敢生不敢养探讨孩童成长的家庭支出与家庭负担检讨政府是否可以作为年轻家长的后盾很抱歉这个议题就留给我们政府大人去费心吧我们深斗小民引颈期盼而已谢谢 |
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謝謝謝謝理事長下一位王雅玲全國幼教產業工會理事各位大家好我是全國幼教產業工會理事王雅玲 |
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我这一辈子做的工作就只有一个就是幼教老师所以我现在就是从幼教基层现场人员针对这三个议题我们所看到的提出一点小小的想法跟建议第一点关于补助补助当然是要的 |
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但是以前沒有補助大家敢生敢養現在補助好像很多或許還不夠但是比起以前應該差很多了為什麼大家還是不敢生不敢養所以補助真的是一門學問若以家長我個人來說我覺得就是把錢給我我自己要去向 |
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失之良好的公幼或者是要才艺很多的私幼那就是家长自己的想法自己的选择我就去选择适合我的学校那回归我刚刚讲的为什么以前没有补助大家还是敢生敢养那为什么现在有补助了反倒我们的生育率一直都没有办法提升呢我想先跳到第三个 |
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为什么因为其实不是只有钱的问题我们遇过很多年轻人他们的经济条件其实也不差但是他们还是不愿意生为什么因为他们说我怕我的孩子没有办法平安的长大 |
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这是很重要的一个问题除了我们的那个社会对于育儿家庭够不够友善社会企业对于家里有小孩的孩子够不够友善之外我觉得良好的托育品质也是一个很重要的关键从保姆开始还有一直到我们的托儿保育机构幼教现场 |
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我覺得現在資訊那麼發達這麼多的虐童案這是對家長造成非常大的陰影所以我覺得我們應該要從 |
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在擴大准公共裡頭我們提升量的同時是不是職也能夠兼顧有這麼多的不好的案件都是發生在哪一類的學校我們有沒有做過這樣的數據歸類調查我們在一直撒幣的同時結果我們撒幣的那個對象 |
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这个学校他们有虐童的或者是不适当的教保人员那会我们补助他这样合理吗所以我们觉得第一个良好的托育环境就是人员一定要合格无论怎么样都不能够以我找不到合格的老师所以我就退而求其次用大学毕业就可以 |
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新加坡可以为什么我们不行新加坡都抢人抢到我们这里来了我们的幼教工作人员可以到新加坡去工作为什么我们的业者找不到合格的人员所以我觉得补助不应该是造成劣币取主良币的帮凶 |
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接下来我想要说的就是完整的一个托育因为就我所知我们0到6岁都有一连贯的一个不同年龄层次的托育机构但是我发现 |
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有一些托婴中心他们是满两岁孩子就不能够待在托婴中心了但是如果是幼儿园的话两岁的孩子可以收但是他们是按照学年的所以变成托婴中心他们的两岁没有跟着学年走 |
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所以变成孩子我满了两岁可是在新的学校学年还没有开始的这段期间他是空窗期的所以有一些家长因为没有办法照顾到会把他的孩子托给补习班我的哥哥姐姐他的哥哥姐姐就在补习班所以他就跟着去我觉得这个我们可能要去仔细去考量到这个尤其是准公共的托婴他的年纪应该跟着 |
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幼儿园做衔接而不是满两岁就踢出去再来我想要回归到第二个就是亲师冲突的问题 |
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无论是我们增加第三方协调平台还是再增加个什么这个都是事后的工作我们都知道预防剩余治疗但是孩子在入学前亲师沟通做了多少家长跟老师他们彼此之间的信任机制建立了吗 |
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我单凭园长我单凭主任说我们的教学有多棒有多好我就把我的宝贝孩子交给一个素昧平生的人去照顾诶再加上这么多的不良事件所以我觉得这个是一个合作的机制合作共同教养孩子信任就是最重要的但是我们并没有帮家长 |
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学前教育我说的学前教育不是孩子就是你的孩子入学前的教育你应该要做足哪一些功课或者是你应该要上哪一些课当我们在进行补助的同时我们也要加强家长教养孩子的能力所以这个应该也是要纳入考量的 |
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如何跟老師溝通這也是很重要的如何相信老師如何提出問題以上是我們一點小小的見解謝謝大家謝謝王雅琳理事下一位要請簡瑞蓮理事 |
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主席還有與會的各位先進大家好我是全國教保產業工會理事簡瑞蓮今天來代表我們眾多還在一線服務的夥伴們來跟大家交換一些意見那我想其實我們有很多的夥伴是沒有辦法來到這裡的所以更多基層的聲音是不被看見的那 |
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我這邊有幾個問題要來跟大家說台灣到目前為止還缺補助嗎我覺得不是缺的是政府的公共責任擔了少我覺得教育部不斷的對我們的公共化去做擴展 |
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那提升了非營利幼兒園提升了我們的公幼的這個設置但是呢當然準公共也跟著上路了可是這個準公共的數字卻掩蓋了我們真公共的這樣的一個量就是說我們今天可能也有在講說 |
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我們的公共已經有達到99%那我們不缺的其實就是補助我們的一直用所謂的補助的這樣的一個方法擴大自由市場提供托育但是呢 用公共化政策並沒有改變 |
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監察委員紀委員他在1154月也提出從我們擴大公共教保服務雖然有逐年提升107年事辦以後到113年總共共從4.1%增長到34.8%只有公共化的幼兒園始終維持約在三成 |
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那目前補助總共經費這麼高得到的品質是什麼呢13年了我們從優托整合到現在事實上我非常感謝我們委員今天會來召開這樣的一個優托整合的一個政策會議但是我覺得有點遺憾的是沒有真正開始來討論現場的眾多問題 |
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比如說特教的問題我們的老師的勞動條件的問題比如說我們有很多密集 輕職焦慮等等的家長的問題可是今天來談補助那我想這樣的一個補助的量能提高了政府把大筆的預算補助私立的優托機構企圖透過這個補助來要求私立業者改造職場跟提高照顧品質結果呢紀委員也又在1154月提到 |
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目前呢我們教育部雖然有提出了一些監督的機制跟相關管考但是呢總共化學違規裁罰的元素仍然逐年上升而且遠比我們的公共化的幼兒園那全國教保產業工會的觀察跟調查我們有蠻多的幼教老師跟我說他們他留言一直留言跟我們說大概目前有50%吧 |
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然後剛剛也有先進提到說對好像就是這個補助然後呢就不貴但是呢我們這個總共一邊領了補助劣幣呢驅逐良幣 |
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然後就開始有很多的巧立名目亂收費比如說我們的才藝課程這些都是軍備競賽超收材料費等等那我想商品化才是我們台灣托育非常大的一個問題那大撒幣市場化也沒有讓員工勞工更好所以呢更不用說我們沒有被重視的城鄉問題沒有幼兒園的鄉鎮補助根本看不到也吃不到 |
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所以呢公共資源投入了缺乏嚴格勞動監管的私營市場那並沒有辦法提升照顧品質到目前為止也沒有太多的今晚機制可以來看那有關於議題二管理體制的現況現在事實上就是呈現了一個獵巫化的氛圍那當這個發生親事爭議的時候家長呢至上的這樣的一個主義跟政治壓力下每次呢碰到了這些事情 |
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一定就是先停職先調查先公審的防衛性態度把這樣的制度性壓力轉嫁到我們一線的教保工作者身上那我想教保員集體喪失職場的安全感那我覺得主管機關在家長的投訴部分呢也不是只有調查機制啟動難道都沒有督管的責任問題嗎我在縣市參與這個部分的時候我覺得預防要勝於治療 |
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那地方主管機關長期人力配置不足人員流動非常的頻繁其實他們是很可憐的工作到晚上9點10點無法有完善的這些處理機制跟經驗來處理那需要再疊床架屋嗎再創第三平台嗎提供思考給大家現在的調查機制有什麼差異呢 |
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第三平台的組成又跟現在的調查機制的人員會有怎麼樣的不同呢如果第三平台要來判斷事件是否成案那麼目前的機制要進入調查之前這件事情哪裡做不好那我想原因是什麼 |
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我覺得應該要去好好的再做檢討如果可以改善那當然不一定要有第三平台因為我也在高雄市看到我們在調查的過程裡頭有降低了那個所謂進來的案子然後讓他能夠在事先理解之後然後這樣也沒有就有持續的這個部分的這個投訴那全國教育產業工會的主張我們反對大撒幣 |
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第一個是 反對以補助為由 複製總公共幼兒園的假公共政策 推為公共責任主張持續擴大社區化的公共托育服務 讓家庭跟幼兒擁有優質 平價 競變性的托育資源 減緩照顧壓力 |
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落實勞動檢查提升勞動條件與福利才能夠讓我們留師的老師人才能夠回流那現場有這麼多的壓力我們的長工時我們的勞動條件問題我們的勞動情緒問題然後等等那我們認為應該要推動幼托人員的法律特約支持系統減緩因親子糾紛或不實指控的壓力那還有一個我們呼籲比照費幼兒園未來接受托育費用 |
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補助的幼兒園因綁定勞動標準課程等等的這些品質並接受財務審核我們呼籲重啟優托整合檢視整頓問亂的托育服務機制將全面性的師生比降低納入修正幼稚園法的第16條 |
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還有我們有蠻多有關那個老師修教師證的這個問題我們希望能夠暢通這個進修的彈性建立限職折抵教育的實習的彈性讓我們帶著進修有薪實習確保勞工進修不減薪實習有薪資期許我們民意代表應該要 |
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監督主責的相關部會普及公共托育及偏鄉托育的資源這才是針對人民有利的而不是增加補助謝謝大家好謝謝簡理事下一位葉若喬總會長 |
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主席各位委員長官以及學者專家所有關心幼兒教育的朋友大家好我是中華民國幼教聯合總會總會長葉若喬首先感謝我們主席以及我們教文委員會的委員還有衛環委員還有我們今天所有教育部長官的列席一起來關心讓我們幼教現場的聲音可以有機會被聽見 |
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那今天我要代表我們全國幼教的工作者還有我們數十個幼兒家庭提出這兩個重要的建議當然第一個就是希望能建立符合我們教育平權精神的幼兒教育補助制度第二個是成立教保調和委員會重建我們青獅 |
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互信的一個關係我想今天想要表達的核心只有一句話就是我們的教育選擇要更公平那我們的信任要回到我們的教育裡那面對我們少子化的這個時代呢我們真的要解決的當然不是只有那個補助問題 |
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那是因為教長敢不敢生 養不養得起還有我們教育現場能不能留住我們優秀的人才這些問題那近年來我們政府也積極推動這樣的一些少子化政策也投入大量的資源這些努力我們都予以肯定但是我們幼教現場還是看到非常多的一些困境那當然我們 |
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我覺得在教育平權這個部分我們不能只是一個口號尤其我們知道孩子在成長的過程中0到6是最重要的一個最大的負擔那我們知道說近年來推動這個0到6的國家一起養那政府大力的支助這樣的一個補助我們有 |
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了解到教育的平權是不是要面對一個問題就是現在的制度真的公平嗎那根據統計我們目前113學年度全國2到6歲有55萬點4萬多的小孩在就讀 |
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幼兒園那其中有12到15萬名的幼兒是沒有就讀公共化跟準公共體系那換句話說就是我們接近三個小孩就有一個小孩他所得到的教育支持跟其他孩子是不一樣的同樣是我們台灣的孩子同樣是一般家庭同樣是接受我們學前的教育可是我們卻選擇不同的體系而承擔完全不同的教育支出 |
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所以我們認為教育平權真正的核心不是補助哪一種體系而是要照顧到我們每一個孩子尤其每個家庭的需求不同每個家長的教育理念也不同有的家長重視就近接送有的是特色課程那教育本來就應該要多元的可是我們政府的角色不應該是替家長決定要讀哪一種幼兒園 |
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那日前我們赴日參訪的時候也發現日本推動幼兒是教育無常化也就是大家的補助都是一樣的那還有就是在少子化的當下剛剛我們家長團體有講政府他是先關公幼然後全力支持私幼所以我們在熊本教育廳也得到 |
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公幼的目前是72家私幼是388家那所以我覺得這個部分應該要更重視保障家庭選擇權跟多元辦選的一個環境值得我們台灣作為未來政策的一個參考那在這邊我也提出我們三項建議第一個我們希望可以提高育兒津貼縮小不同的這個教保體制間的一個補助差距 |
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當然我們國家有提出維持財政的一個穩定性那我覺得可以逐步到位讓家長的選擇權回歸到自由選擇的一個部分還有要顧到我們的教育品質那再來第二個就是依據人口結構跟實際的需求配置教育資源那我們台灣各地方的人口結構出生還有教保服務需求都很大 |
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那我覺得在教育整體的資源的配置不應該是以城鄉的區分我覺得應該要定期盤點我們各縣市的人口還有就學還有教保服務提供的一個情況作為補助的一個資源投入的重要的參考 |
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例如我們新北還有桃園台中等等一些比較高度集中的都會區它有面臨到土地取得的困難營運成本比較高而且教保人力不足所以我覺得這個部分更需要我們政府依照實際的狀況來幫助大家 |
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那所以讓教育資源回歸到需求的導向不是以區域作為一個分配的標準能真正落實到每一個孩子都能享有公平且優質的一個教育機會第三個我希望要建立完整的零到六的家庭支持當然 |
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少子化問題家長決定要不要生不是只有考量這個教育這個方面那也不是說孩子未來的就學是否評價所以我們期待政府可以整合我們的育兒津貼托育補助幼兒就學補助我們整個的一個育兒的一個友善措施形成一個比較完整的支持系統讓年輕人敢生願意生也養得起教得好 |
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再來呢成立我們的教保條和委員會重建親師互信的一個關係我覺得教育現場需要監督但是更需要信任那我覺得台灣的教育正面臨這樣一個隱形的危機就是我們的教育信任一直在流失 |
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近年來青獅的衝突跟生疏案件都一直在增加我們發現很多狀況是來自於青獅間的資訊落差溝通誤解情緒反應跟教育理念可能有不同其中確實有很多是來自於隱形的特徵 |
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那卻因為缺乏中立的協調機制而快速升高甚至出現先錄影收證然後到網路爆料在媒體公審最後才要去查證真相在這樣的環境下教師怎麼可能承受這樣極大的心理壓力這也是我們近年來我們老師留師的重要原因之一所以我覺得這個部分我們一定要讓努力有這樣的一個親師的一個 |
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教保調和的委員會可以修復我們關係的機會有理性的對話空間而不是直接走向對立喔那再來呢各位委員各位先進我們今天呢最主要我們補助 |
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補助不公平我們就沒辦法開見我們孩子失去的是家長的教育自由選擇權如果今天制度只要求教師去承擔卻沒有給予支持失去的是我們優秀的人才如果今天教育只剩下對立跟不信任 |
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失去的將是孩子最珍貴的成長環境所以我們呼籲我們政府要從教育平權與親師互信雙軸並進建立更公平的教育支持制度來完善我們整個的一個現況 |
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那這邊特別要講一下其實要強化親師教育跟親師合作也包含現場這些隱形特殊問題都值得我們去關懷我們希望每個孩子都被公平對待讓教育選擇權更公平也讓新人回到教育中謝謝大家 |
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好 專家學者及委員均已發言完畢現在請機關代表回應首先先請教育部回應 |
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好 謝謝主席那今天的公聽會呢大概聆聽了有兩位委員的發言有十二位代表十三位代表那我大概也足以做記錄了那有關這個三個議題裡面呢最主要是針對這個補助的部分那補助的部分當然我們眾許多的這個先進在發言的時候大概有不同的意見當然撒幣不是一定就有效果 |
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不過我要做一些澄清第一個就是有關那個任主任有提到就是有關那個 |
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學前教育的那個申訴的問題那其實到目前為止我看了那個學前那個教育就是那個學前處給我的資料就是申訴的那個112年3到12月通報數大概是505件就10個月裡面那決議受理的大概是313件大概 |
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這個裁罰率裁罰的是126件那113年的整年是通報780件那受理的458件裁罰的是220件那114年各地方政府報來的呢是851通報檢舉的那決議受理的459那大概認定這個被裁罰大概200件大概 |
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大概都差不多沒有說特別的那個不過我想這個因為有一些這個媒體的報導會造成整個現場的那個教保人員的一些這個壓力跟青獅的衝突這部分的我們會繼續來瞭解 |
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那也有這個陳維江理事長特別提到其實韓國韓國的生育率從0.72我這邊到應該是0.8左右當然有恢復這個是事實但他的整個投入的GDP是大概1%大概1%那台灣1.1%左右 |
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那台灣在賴清德總統宣布之後整個我們投入的金額大概GDP也是佔1%所以台灣投入不會比較少那至於怎麼分配的問題呢剛才先進也有不同的意見像這個有些協會他們認為說像剛才最後一位發言的這個葉理事長葉總會長他就有提到說大概2到6歲有55萬 |
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在讀這個學前教育的這個幼兒園那大概有12到15萬是為就讀公共化幼兒園就是包括公托非營利跟准公托大概有12到15萬那這一部分如果按照目前賴總統公布的方案裡面呢他們大概就是五千第一胎就是五千加五千就一萬嘛那第二胎就是一萬一就五千加六千加再加五千那第三胎就是五千六千加五千不對七千 |
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7千7千再外加5千是1萬2所以這個其實我們一開始我要澄清就是說我們一開始在推107年開始在推這個公共化幼兒園政策的時候事實上是以入園率做一個考慮當時其實入園率大概2到5歲不到6成 |
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那現在已經到將近9成了87、88%那入園之後我們當然希望品質也量的剛才也有先進提到量的提升之後包括總共共化政策我們品質怎麼樣提升我們剛才聽到很多先進的這個意見包括我們產業工會對於這個幼兒這個幼教保人員的品質的問題我們有沒有監控第一線這個勞動監管的機制等等這個我想我們未來會 |
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來聽取我們相關工會代表的意見我們來訂定相關的機制我們也願意來聆聽那還有幾位特別提到說這個要不要入法保障那事實上剛才那個我們那個 |
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那個委員有委員提到那個財政紀律法的問題事實上我們的目前現行的這個托育政策裡面我們的津貼政策裡面是沒有在法律就是用行政權我們都逐年是政府的財政來寬裂當然台灣最近這幾年財政比較好也是這樣的狀況下我想賴總統在這個時機來宣布也投入的這個 |
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預算也是佔3800億左右的一年會從將近2000億到3800億那這個呢也差不多佔台灣的GDP的1%所以說這個也不是少那要不要入法保障當然各位有不同的看法我想今天比較我今天沒有聽到學者專家有來那這個 |
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各位協會以及那個產業工會的代表裡面有提到教室團體的代表裡面有提到的我們也會繼續來請教那至於這個親師之間重建信任的這個問題早上在那個公聽會裡面我們大概提到那有關幼兒園這個部分我們可以並同這個早上的那個會議其實像這個幼兒園剛剛我們提到說很多 |
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團體說這個沒有匿名匿名不受理的問題那匿名因為幼兒園當時有特別考慮那所以說這個我剛才公布那個數據裡面其實從這樣看起來並沒有每年增加但是這個幼兒園的部分 |
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是不是這個就要取消可能也要跟一些家長團體跟相關的專家學者我們一起來討論看看這部分要怎麼樣做才能夠讓品質也能夠提升讓這個我們的這個青獅衝突的那個場面也能夠化解我想這個不是一件容易的事情但是我們會努力的來聽大家的意見那今天的三個主題主要針對補助的部分到底要不要入法到底要不要加碼 |
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第二個呢我們怎麼樣補助的問題第三個我們那個學前教育衝突的問題怎麼樣子來化解我想早上的公聽會裡面其實我們聽到了一些專家學者的意見我也做了一些回應那同樣的我要回應說我想有好的幼教老師有好的教保人員絕對是孩子的福氣這一點我們共同一起來努力來尋找制度上比較好的一個方案那台灣少子化的危機確實是危機所以 |
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各國都在加碼台灣比較起來我們其實是這次宣布之後其實是跟在亞洲國家裡面我們大概也是占差不多1%那新加坡是0.9%日本其實是0.58%所以我想政府在投入資源的這一方面也是有考慮到台灣的財政的問題那我們當然希望未來能夠加碼在這部分的資源能夠越來越多但是呢 |
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分配的這個部分要怎麼樣分配要怎麼樣處理當然我們希望多聽一些大家的意見謝謝大家 謝謝好 其餘列席的機關代表有無補充說明衛福部國家發展委員會行政院主計總署有嗎好 謝謝 |
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主席各位與會先進代表大家好主席總督這邊還是請就政府財政面向與補充說明依預算法第91條規定立法委員所提法律案大幅增加稅數或減少稅務者應先徵詢行政院之意見並指明資金的彌補來源 |
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那本次的修法有多位的委員提出幼兒教育及照顧法第七條的修正草案那這個初步國際會大幅增加每年國庫的支出可能達數百億元以上那所以我們還是認為應該先由行政院就國家整體的施政規劃及資源配置等通盤來考量以避免在執行的時候產生斥礙或者排擠現有的教育政策預算以及其他各項重要正式的經費 |
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那憲法的第70條規定立法院對於行政院所提議上案不得為增加提議之處之提議那本案當然它是屬於法律案但是其修法的結果仍然將導致未來每年的政府支出大幅的增加 |
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參考民主先進國家的案例比如德國的憲法第113條就有規定法律如果增加聯邦政府所提預算案的支出或者將來不免有所新支出的時候應徵的聯邦政府的同意國外會這樣的規定主要是基於權力分立的原則以及維護國家財政永續的目的這些規定跟我們預算法的91條或財政紀律法第5條也都是有相同的精神 |
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那考量教育部其實現在法的規定其實已經可以去訂定相關的辦法也來推動了一些幼兒教育鼓助及照顧事項那所以未來如果行政院經過完整的評估認為有需要擴大的時候還是可以依現行的規定來直接辦理那沒有修法也並沒有摯愛 |
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所以我們還是建議以現行的制度來辦理這樣子能夠比較考量到整體國家的時針和資源配置不會立即的修法就立即使政府支出大幅的增加以上說明好 謝謝 |
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好首先我要特別感謝我們在場所有的與會的專家學者各個協會然後以及我們所有的機關代表我想對於我今天擔任召委來排這個公聽會來聆聽大家的意見我們更希望能夠廣納我們社會各方的建議其中當然也有聽到很多我覺得非常實用的例如有 |
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有學者提出不管是現場的教學狀況有巧立名目多收一些費用的部分這其實我們一直都希望能夠有效的改善我們也當然不允許這樣的事情持續發生也希望相關的主管機關應該要好好的正視家長的權益 |
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當然也有提到私生筆的一個問題私生筆的一個落實其實也討論了很久也滾動式的正在進行當中但是實際能不能真的達到這樣子的一個需求我們也希望政府應該要展現自己的魄力來完成這樣的政策執行讓家長能夠更加安心當然 |
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我認為只給予任何的一個補助還需要加大力度的政策來協助例如我們有提到其實包括有不同政黨的聲音有在提到在各個國家裡面也看到不只補助還有提供相關的社會住宅住房策略但是我們必須坦白跟大家特別報告 |
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當我們看到社會住宅現在轉型做婚育宅沒有問題是可以的 |
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9035.236 |
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但是政府必須好好的坦誠面對社會住宅轉型成婚育宅但是實際提供的數字是不是能夠達到原本所說的我想上次內政委員會也在探討社會住宅突然片面的宣布要大量減少 |
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那因為沒有辦法去執行政策所以改用另外其他的方式來執行那單單只是把它轉型做婚育宅但是整體的量卻沒有辦法大幅度的提供這個過程就會讓所有的家庭在住宅成本的增加 |
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9076.497 |
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9088.295 |
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所担忧的状况之下没有办法好好的去养儿育女我想刚刚有许他的先进提到0到6岁的一个成长之初 |
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9114.509 |
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我想不只是家庭的支出疫苗、尿布、必需品、食品相關的一些設備這些都是家庭的支出之一但是也不要忘記我們在住宅策略如果沒有辦法穩定提供大量的社會住宅的過程當中它變成就是要去繳付利息繳付房貸 |
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那這樣子的一個過程也都是大幅的成本支出的一個過程所以我們希望補助不要單單只是給予父母金錢而是將這個部分能夠跟教育能夠綁在一起我覺得這樣子會別具意義也更能夠有這個機會能夠一方面執行教育的過程 |
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9155.22 |
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也能夠減少家庭的支出所以今天召開這樣子的公聽會一方面也希望探討鄰近國家在花費各個預算的過程當中所面臨的一個成長所面臨的一個問題也希望彙整大家的意見來探討我們單一 |
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9176.109 |
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這樣子的一個現象是否有辦法透過結構性的改變結構性的政策一起來教學相長那及時廣益將這些問題來想辦法處理另外有專家寫者所提到第三方調和的一個機制 |
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9196.816 |
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我們還是要特別拜託主管機關、國教署還有張烈萬堅次長那我想右教的這個第三方調和機制也應該是要重視早上這個部分已經有探討也非常非常的各個專家學者非常積極的去發聲 |
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9226.859 |
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我想幼教的部分教學的現場的狀況也絕對不會輸給高中以下的一個現狀所以也希望我們的這個幼教現狀能夠被我們的國教署來重視能不能好好的來處理這一個第三方調和機制然後讓我們的青獅問題衝突減少坦白講我也遇到我自己的 |
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女兒的幼稚園老師交到一半突然不交了跑去新加坡然後說新加坡開的金額大概是好像六七萬吧一個月六七萬差不多那在台灣大概緊繃快四萬多 |
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左右所以他說他交代一半要離開我們也是非常的不捨但是又沒辦法擋人才路所以教學現況的確就是老師不斷的出走所以我有印象有專家學者也提到如何讓老師的環境更好加強勞動檢查這個當然 |
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我認為有其必要性沒有問題但是單單就現況只有勞動檢查但是沒有增加老師的相關權益還有福利的話我覺得也很難留下老師所以我在擔任之前民意代表時候到現在我們都不斷的在倡議老師的相關薪資好的這個權益應該要有所檢討不然我們最後不是在國內輸給各個業者而是輸給國外 |
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這些國家不斷的把我們的挖角我們老師都不斷的往外跑這個部分也希望國教署能夠正視這個問題還是早上那一句話今天我們有共識的部分而且是真正的問題的是不是能夠請國教署加緊腳步先趕快解決問題能夠適時的提供解方那 |
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我不希望公聽會只是流於形式大家發發言然後後面沒有結果也希望後續不管第三方調和還有老師的這一個權益升級那這個部分都能夠看到具體的回應我們先將共識的部分趕緊先行處理那大家各有不同意見的部分我們就保留後續繼續討論然後繼續來彙整大家的意見以上我們今天 |
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本日下午的公聽會到此告一段落感謝現場所有的與會者從不同的面向來提供寶貴的意見 |
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所有的今天发言内容以及书面资料均列入记录刊登公报并制作公听会的报告送交本院全体委员以及出席的与会人员参考再次感谢大家出席今天的公听会所提供的宝贵意见我们会审慎的考量作为未来的修法依据谢谢大家现在散会 |
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不好意思我們在最後召集大家一下我們來到前面拍個照謝謝 |