| IVOD_ID |
17519 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17519 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2026061028 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-11T14:30:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-11T16:11:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:40:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-06-11T15:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：研商「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。（國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提議）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:22 - 16:11:00 |
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現在兩個黨團都到了民進黨團,麻煩請工作夥伴通知一下民進黨團好嗎?好時間非常準 |
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明天呢? |
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1894.753 |
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1896.235 |
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歡迎 歡迎 來來來 幹事長 歡迎 歡迎好 處理長 歡迎 歡迎 |
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1909.517 |
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1926.03 |
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好 謝謝啊 非常感謝三個黨團的幹部都已經到了現場了我們謝謝那我們現在開始開會我們要進行黨團協商主題是公職人員選舉罷免法第26條條文修正草案 |
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1928.154 |
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1951.743 |
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我們先介紹行政機關的列席代表首先我們歡迎內政部劉部長 歡迎您民政司政司長 歡迎您中選會的謝主任秘書 歡迎您司法院民視廳的林廳長 歡迎您刑事廳的吳法官 歡迎您法務部代表李檢察官 歡迎您謝謝 |
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1956.497 |
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1982.494 |
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跟各位黨團幹部還有列席官員報告本案內政委員會115年4月23日召開第11屆第5會期第8次全體委員會議審查完均並決議院會討論之前須交由黨團協商本案於115年5月19日內政委員會廖先祥召集委員已經召開過一次協商會議當日協商已經具有共識部分 |
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1983.976 |
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1993.435 |
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1.第六款徵定曾犯詐欺犯罪危害防治條例之罪,經有罪判決確定者不得參選之規定。 |
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1995.742 |
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2018.14 |
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第二 第九款排除緩刑期間不得參選之規定為對於民眾黨團提案增列排除受異形處分者不得登記為候選人之限制沒有達成共識為了節省各位黨團代表的寶貴時間我們集中討論焦點提升效率 |
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2019.241 |
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2041.916 |
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在這裡要見請各位黨團幹部我們先行討論受疫情處分者是否排除限制之規定如果大家對於已經有的共識部分還有意見的話我們回頭繼續討論請問各位黨團幹部有沒有其他的意見如果沒有其他意見就接受本席的建議我們先來討論大家 |
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這個民眾黨團的提案這一部分我們來現在我們要請各列席的黨團代表首先要請台灣民眾黨團請表達意見好嗎國民黨團請準備謝謝院長主席還有三黨總召還有部長各位同仁有關於這個台灣民眾黨在 |
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2072.878 |
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2097.661 |
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選舉報名法二十六條第九款我們認為對受反刑宣告以及受疫情處分裡面的義福社會勞動者應該要平等的對待這個原因是因為我們憲法第十七條保障我們人民的選舉權那麼我們法律上如果法官認為 |
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2099.093 |
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2107.977 |
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有處得公權的必要已經有處得公權的可能那麼法官沒有處得公權結果我們用尋罷法 |
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來加以限制在重罪還有一點解釋的過去但是如果對輕罪也不能讓他參選的話這個會違反我們憲法23條這一個對於人民的選舉權等基本權的限制必須要符合社會公共利益等必要才會比較合憲 |
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2132.495 |
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2156.417 |
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所以本黨鑒於我們中華民國的法律體系對於反刑跟義扶社會勞動都是平等對待所以我今天特地把我國刑法跟政黨法相關的條文加黑讓各位看得比較清楚提出來請各位做參考 |
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2157.639 |
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2185.536 |
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我根據這個順序來跟各位報告在我國刑法74條第一項說兩年以下有期徒刑者可以反刑兩年以下有期徒刑者可以反刑反刑期間五年而我們根據我們刑法第41條做輕罪五年以下的受六個月的徒刑的宣告 |
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2186.721 |
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以及7年以下的也是受6個月以下徒刑的宣告我們在41條是亦符社會勞動亦符社會勞動所以2年以下宣告的是可以返刑而6個月以下的亦符社會勞動那我們請各位看到最後政黨法第7條 |
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對於我們中華民國的政黨負責人他有消極資格的限制而這個資格的限制裡面我們是把反省宣告跟義扶社會勞動是平等的對待所以根據我們中華民國的法律體系跟它的原則 |
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反行宣告跟義扶社會勞動其實是平等的對待所以本黨才會在這個第九款的但書除了反行以外更有必要把疫情處分裡面的義扶社會勞動呢來加以納入那如果可以這樣納入的話 |
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2250.029 |
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2262.055 |
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可以讓我們人民比較大幅度的回復他的選舉權才會比較使得我們的選罷法比較符合憲法的要求以上 謝謝各位 |
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2275.353 |
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2301.228 |
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謝謝院長召集今天這個會那我想其實剛剛就如同院長講的原本我們各黨團有共識的部分當然沒有爭議那現在有爭議的部分那其實就是民眾黨團就是5月19號想要增加的這個獲得直接間接義扶社會勞動之自由行者不在此限那民進黨團有三個理由就是反對第一個 |
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2302.97 |
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2324.231 |
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政治上這樣很容易讓大家覺得這個是為民眾黨的高鴻安量身打造因為他如果有罪判決確定可能溢服社會勞動民眾黨是不是為了保他的參選資格而這麼的緊急的量身打造個案修法我覺得這個外界 |
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2325.312 |
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2346.862 |
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廣泛的公民恐怕都沒有辦法接受這種大家沒有共識然後明顯有為個別政治人物量身打造的修法這是第一個我們反對的理由那除了這個之外我們覺得也有第二個是法律上覺得民眾黨版的這個沒有辦法說服大家民眾黨版這個第九條寫獲得直接間接一幅社會勞動 |
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2353.425 |
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2372.432 |
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但是據我的了解實務上根本就沒有得職階這件事而且法院判決書上的文字不等於最終的結果也就是說決定能不能一行的人是檢察官那民眾黨版希望讓被判可以做社會勞動的人也能登記參選 |
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2373.892 |
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2397.74 |
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但能不能用勞動來代替坐牢在法官判決的那一刻也無法百分之百確定那法官開出來的裁判書會寫如准一顆罰金至於一服社會勞動法院的判決書上甚至連提都不會提到等到判決確定後個案去向地檢署報到時最後把關決定準不準一服社會勞動的還是檢察官個案審查決定 |
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2408.203 |
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所以你們寫的這個獲得直接間接其實在法律上最後一點呢這個可能會造成實務上的選務的混亂因為即使被准一服是會勞動 |
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那如果個案不去做,做得不好太惡劣然後檢察官又把他撤銷資格那個案最後還是有機會得要去坐牢啊那記這樣的一個理由那如果個案因為被檢察官準一服是會勞動而登記成功並開始跑選舉 |
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那如果被撤銷坐牢那這個個案就會變成正在服刑期間無法參選那我並不知道高鴻安市長是不是這樣的狀況那可是其實這裡面的變數很多如果就照民眾黨版通過那這個選務上實務上真的造成很大的困擾我想選舉的公正公平公開是我們這個跨越政黨的大家的一個核心的共識那不能傷害這個部分 |
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2488.226 |
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所以以上從政治上大家覺得這是為個別政治部量身打造那第二個就是法律上有不一致的問題第三個可能造成選務混亂那民進黨團不贊成民眾黨的這個提案好 謝謝我們民進黨團的書記長范雲委員的發言接下來我們請國民黨團發言內政部劉部長請準備 |
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2500.043 |
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2523.841 |
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好謝謝主席其實今天我們修這個法主要的原因也是因為說時空環境已經跟過去以往非常的不一樣而且再加上說我們在不預設立場的前提之下我們現在看到的從過去的最近的一波民調看到司法的信心對於全民對於司法信心有民調顯示是極度的不好的 |
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2547.831 |
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所以在這種情況之下當我們修法的時候我們當然是要與時俱進而且不要去預設立場今天我們修的法是為了未來國家繼續發展的一個很重要的基石所以我認為該修的法我們還是要從善如流該修就要修謝謝國民黨團表達立場我們請劉部長表達意見好嗎我們請司法院準備 |
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2554.3 |
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謝謝院長以及三個黨團的幹部今天我們來討論的部分剛剛陳院長的指示就是我們只針對排除受疫情處分者不得參選的限制站在內政部的立場我們在內政委員會的時候已經多次表達希望維持現有的條文不要再做更動 |
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有幾個原因剛剛各位已經知道了解刑法或是了解其他異刑處分的部分我們會認為說因為異刑處分譬如說是異科罰金或者異服社會勞動僅是有期徒刑執行方式的替代手段那如果沒有執行完畢的話 |
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本來我們就應該把它視為有期徒刑執行未必也就是未完畢那如果將它列入但書而且允許可以候選人登記為候選人合理性的時候有待商榷也就是說我們只有 |
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2605.2 |
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在那個選罷法裡面修正的部分的話真的是只有針對他的候選人本身的條件的放寬而不是剛剛有黨團幹部特別提到說包括刑法或是政黨法裡面的全面性對於所謂的異形處分裡面的做一個全面概括性的一個陳述所以我們認為說是有待商榷那另外一個就是說第一個我們都知道今年年底的這個大選是設在11月28日 |
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現在距離11月28日其實還不到半年的時間我們現在如果倉促的修法通過沒有像我們剛剛所說的我們是不是回頭來看一下包括刑法或是包括政黨法或是包括選罷法的26條的話會讓人覺得說好像有點因人設施的感覺所以站在我們行政機關比較保守的立場上面 |
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希望能夠維持現行的規定不要做任何改變謝謝好謝謝劉部長的表明內政部的立場那我們接下來我們請司法院法務部跟中學會依序來表達意見好嗎我們先請司法院林廳長您表達意見法務部請準備是主席各位委員大家好那有關這個政策的立法方向那本院是尊重大院及主管機關內政部的規劃 |
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但是就這個條文的設計可能在司法審判實務上會引起一些疑議那有關這個部分因為涉及到刑事審判實務以下我們麻煩刑事廳的吳法官來說明麻煩請 |
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主席 各位委員 各位先進 大家好司法院就疫情處分這個部分主要意見如下 敬請指教即使法院判決宣告的自由刑可以受疫情處分這邊包括一科罰金跟一服社會勞動但是執行時呢 甲官未必會維持等疫情處分 |
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這還是假官的裁量權所以建請貴院先確認修法的原意為何如果修法原意是只要法院宣告的自由行可以得受疫情處分就可以了實際上是否受疫情處分還是自由行的執行在所不論的話 |
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則可規定為得一科罰金或一服社會勞動或得受一刑處分但是如果修法原意是必須實際上受檢察官的一刑處分而沒有執行自由刑才可以的話那則依規定為受一刑處分就沒有那個得字 |
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那修法原意為何呢還有採用何種的法條文字本院尊重立法院的決定其餘部分反請看今天本院所出具的書面報告謝謝各位好 謝謝吳法官我們請法務部的李檢察官請表達意見好嗎法務部的李 |
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主席各位委員大家好我是法務部代表那關於這個提案的部分呢首先是就司法實務上面跟主委說一下說明如果就是法院判決的時候呢如果是預支六個月以下有期徒刑的話那他可能會就有依照刑法41條跟刑事訴訟法第309條第二款的規定呢他就法院在主文就必須預支一顆罰金的一個折算標準那但是這個部分只是一個折算標準而已 |
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至於能不能做異刑的處分是要到全案犯有罪判決確定之後會送到執行檢察官這邊那會來就個案來看說就矯正的角度來看依照刑法第41條的規定如果在得異科罰金的個案他會去看是不是有難受矯正的知效或難以維持法制序或是在異服社會勞動的部分也會參佐他的身心健康有沒有執行的困難難受矯正知效或難以維持法制序的情形來判斷也就是說 |
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到執行檢察官這邊的時候呢雖然法院做了一個折算的標準但是執行檢察官會就個案來決定說適不適合做一顆罰金或一副社會勞動的一個決定這時候就會做一個疫情的處分但是大家需要注意的就是說如果說 |
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委員們的如果大家政策決定是要放在執行檢察官這邊的話那變成說執行檢察官決定準或是不準一行處分就會直接連結到這一位當事人能不能夠參選那這樣的話在執行 |
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檢察官來講他要考慮的就沒那麼純粹了他應該是要就當事人的執行方面的一個矯正的考量來做一個綜合的判斷而不是跟這個參選與否直接做一個掛鉤直接因為執行下去的結果就是法院就是執行檢察官在決定要不要疫情處分的時候直接連結到這個當事人未來能不能馬上參選所以對執行檢察官來講就會變成他 |
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會變有可能會陷入這個政治的漩渦裡面那對檢察官的這個決定來講不是很適當也不是很妥適另外就當選人來講當選人參選是他一個基本權的如果這個消息是對他基本權的限制的話那變成說他能不能參選與否也會細於說執行檢察官的決定那對當選人的參選的權利來講也是不公平的 |
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所以基於以上的考量呢那我們是尊重主管機關的意見建議就是請大家再斟酌這個部分謝謝 |
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好 謝謝李檢察官不好意思 再補充一下就是關於那個委員有提到政黨法的部分因為政黨法是政黨負責人那我們現在選的是公職選罷法公職人員選罷法是公職所以跟正職的那個考量的層面應該有點不一樣那也請大家再考慮一下 謝謝好 謝謝您好 李檢察官謝謝您我們麻煩請中選會謝祖密請表達一點好嗎 謝謝您 |
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院長各位委員那針對是不是排除受疫情處分或一服社會勞動部的參選那中選會是認為這個涉及參選權的保障限制參選的公益性還有比例原則的考量那本會是尊重那個主管機關內政部的意見那另外中選會是辦理選務的機關那也會依立法的結果來辦理選務的相關事項以上 |
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好 接下來二輪的話哪一位黨團想要陳總召請先發言 好嗎好 專案幹事長請準備好 謝謝主席 謝謝院長我想我們今天針對這樣的一個選八法二十六條目前討論的就是在疫情的這個部分 |
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那這邊我還是要先表明剛剛我們民進黨我們的委員特別去表達說這有可能是政治上的量身打造那我想這一個帽子扣得太大了今天我們在修這樣的一個選辦法我們主要針對的是我們 |
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各黨團曾經有一個共識就是緩刑的部分緩刑的部分如果今天說役服勞役役刑的這樣的修法是為個人而做那緩刑更是為政治上的考量而 |
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要修法所以我在這邊我要第一個先表明我們針對我們的選辦法來修法我們考量的是我們人民的一個參與選舉的權利而不要以為個別的一個對象來修法我想我們不應該在在這裡做這樣一個政變那不然倒退回來今天包括我們會長的 |
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會員也都有提出這個環形的部分就可以參選那疫情的部分就產生這樣的一個爭議那我想在這個部分我要先表明那第二個 |
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我們剛剛民進黨委員這邊也表達說這個疫情最後還是一個執行檢察官的一個裁量權那我想執行檢察官的裁量權就是執行檢察官的裁量權他不應該跟 |
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受這樣判決一壺社會操縱的這樣的一個來把它作為政治選舉的考量我們今天在修這個我們針對法來修吧而不是任何的一個動機都是要跟 |
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執行檢察官可能要考量這個人要不要參選可以不可以參選我要不要給他參選不應該落入到這樣的一個迷思那我們台灣民眾黨針對我們26條我們有提出我們的修正動議有提出我們的修正動議目前也提供給各黨團來參考我們在這裡的修正動議 |
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是在二十六條第九款之後增加但處為但宣告反省或得這個得字或得直接間接義乎社會勞動之自由行者不在此限我們這個得跟自由行的行我們特別來於這個加入我們的 |
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一個修正綜藝齁那在這裡我們還是強調歡欣我們可以給他戰術排除那得直接或間接役服社會勞動這個罪行比較輕那更應該要以來戰術排除保障我們所有公民參選成為候選人的權利 |
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好 以上 謝謝謝謝陳總召的發言接下來請莊瑞雄幹事長發言國民黨團請準備 |
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謝謝院長其實我看了今天的一個討論各個政黨其實也都不敢講真話最不敢講真話的就是中國國民黨因為社會公信力低落要與時俱進所以這個條文要把它修掉這個道理法理都不通了第二個就是許中信委員所提供的這個我很尊敬的 |
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老大哥啊但是我覺得你這個法律也是沒有讀通你看你在講的那個74條那個部分你當然講說政黨法我們整頂現在的整頂是怎麼樣?政黨法整頂比較古早其實在上一屆整個選罷法修正裡面立法院跟我一人分隊因為那時候你們都不聽我的 |
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清罪說到底要不要拘束他的一個參選權這個我當然我一直都有意見可是你們今天提出這個修法我有一部分的部分實在你如果說英語說清罪說是不是可以讓他算講得通可是會產生一個衝突 |
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你說騙的人,譬如說我的異性,你說你們高雄安這個六個月可以依靠罰金,我告訴你,那不是用輕重來看。我們選罷法的規定很多都是用罪名,你只要涉及到洗錢的話,你判決三個月、四個月,你一樣不可以算。 |
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市政房租有比你們負責比較輕鬆 你們跟我們判六個月 你們跟我們判四個月的我那裡有很多原住民的 會去用洗錢的 今天我來許仲信做老闆 我來你那裡吃個頭肉的 喝個頭肉 經期了 我帳本會給你 身份證會給你把我錄取了 你說要匯薪水給我 結果你把我的帳戶拿去洗錢 我根本就不知道啊 |
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我發現以後你還要給我點點啊你給我一萬塊啊我很爽啊老闆給我一萬塊啊結果我變共犯啊可是我犯罪行為清潔我判四個月啊靠夭咧我這邊不能算了 |
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所以我們的整個總部選報法裡面其實我們是用罪名啊所以很多邏輯修法點不通的地方本案我之所以反對是反罪什麼呢就是真的有剛我們范林教授講的有量身定做的嫌疑啊是怎麼剛才我們寵過之後 |
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前面為什麼兩個其他的政黨 你們也沒有反對啊 前面那個大家都有共識的嘛就是針對於 前面提到緩刑可以 第九款嘛 但是緩刑宣告不再實現這個第26條 選法第26條各黨團有共識的部分 你們也認為這個合理嘛 |
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為什麼會覺得合理的原因就是說 那個沒有特定人啦 還沒有產生啦那個是說 立法院大家有可能 我跟許仲信吵架啦我跟陳清隆我們兩個相偏啦 那個我們三三三的 法院看一看你們這個立法會委員品性本來就不好了 但是不懲罰一下也不行 好 判下去反省 |
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結果大家繼續可以參選合理嘛各黨派常常立法院本來就會推來推去罵來罵去嘛你現在這個不是你現在這個案子是說已經判下去了你們事後這樣推出來就真的會有這樣的一個疑慮啦啊不然你整理的很好啊你去整理的中華民國刑法74條裡面你要把它空起來兩年以下講的是些什麼啊你也講到政黨法啊但是政黨法你要想那個時間是當時的 |
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我們現在選辦法,當時是2023這樣有時間上,因為你是高雄,所以我就必須要跟你說理在這個原因所以今天的講法全部都叫做欲蓋彌彰,你知道嗎要幹什麼怎麼會不知道,所以要是反對一下啦,好不好許中運委員你可以等一下發言,我相信你絕對不會洗錢的,好不好來,國民黨團請發言好嗎好,許中運委員請發言,請好,謝謝院長,這個是這樣 |
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剛才講的最專業的也是我們刑事法官他已經把問題點出來也就是說到底是哪兩種方式 |
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本案的修正我在內政委員會跟反省一起處理本人支持反省是因為疫情處分改成義福社會勞動我才支持反省的那你如果義福社會勞動沒有同意我沒有同意反省單獨同意反省的部分我沒有那我個人在內政委員會有跟各位報告我把文字修成德 |
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義扶社會勞動之自由行那因為有直接間接所以為了清楚我增加了直接間接得直接間接義扶社會勞動之自由行這件事情跟檢察官contact line我不知道為什麼有人讀法律會在這裡講說跟檢察官的執行有關 |
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法官宣告反刑法官宣告得直接間接異乎社會勞動之自由刑完全是法官的職責跟檢察官完全沒有關係那因為你們在司法界講話有影響力但是我很遺憾年輕的法官竟然會講這種沒有法學專業的言論本人的修正內容 |
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得直接間接義扶社會勞動之自由行的,就是刑事聽法官剛才所講的兩種之一那個就是我們的立法目的,出委員會的立法目的以上跟各位做一個報告,至於有沒有涵蓋要去協助誰本人今天是在進行中華民國刑法的修正 |
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選罷法的修正所以我們今天是對這個國家負責我們要把輕罪者一體適用讓他回歸他的憲法保障的選舉權而我們中華民國的法治序對於判反刑者、異乎社會勞動者在政黨法是對等的對待的那我們現在兩年以下的反刑可以讓他參選六個月以下的 |
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義福社會勞動的卻不能參選那這個如何跟外頭顯示說我們立法院所立的法是專業的立法沒辦法跟外頭交代以上 |
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謝謝院長 徐院長剛才我告訴你 清罪我贊同 但是你特別挑這個出來 我就認為是量身定做不然你聽我說什麼 你說清罪全部都賣 這社會會接受立法院有一個標準 清罪的全部都不可以 你說重罪可以算 清罪不可以算 這第一我覺得不合理 |
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這個我第一個我的想法就是這樣子啊所以邏輯上要講的話我們要講清楚喔你把整個選辦法二十六條你拿出來大翻修是不是這樣說你把他寵到嘴巴說這嘴巴很抬高很厚啊這樣而已啊我就打他打得輕啊 |
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過幾天會碰到什麼狀況你知道嗎我用許中信的話質疑許中信高雄判六個月為什麼六個月可以參選人家判四個月不能參選我用這個質疑你就好了會有這樣的問題啦不是說你的法理不對你的法理不一致為什麼會不一致就是眼睛稍微蒙蔽了就為了某些人所以稍微蓋起來一下嘛我的意思就在這個地方嘛不然你講的有道理啊 |
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那你道理就講了一半你的心裡沒有講出來要幹什麼啊我幫你講出來而已啊你這樣的修法道就會變成我更輕的 |
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你要舉例的就是說你判六個月以下甚至於你兩年以下的判緩刑你可以去那些人去參選人譬如說我們這次判兩年法院給我們緩刑五年以下的緩刑我們都去參選了你現在講說我六個月的為什麼不能參選有沒有道理 有道理可是你接下來會碰到被挑戰一個為什麼六個月的跑去參選了我這個四個月的不能參選那你告訴我法理在哪裡 |
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是,我是說大教授要談事情要一併談,要一併來做解決,那你專門挑一個出來,我就挑戰你,就是說你就是量身定做嘛,會碰到這樣一個問題嘛。第二個問題會碰到什麼呢?就是說,我們的法律用語套有什麼意思?直接,什麼意思?間接。 |
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你讀法律 我也讀法論 我就不要看這個用語 獲得直接 間接 易服 牢獄就是我們的法律上沒有這樣的 刑法上也沒有這樣的一個用語啦要把它另辟一個新名詞 也許許中信委員這個是法學的創建也很好喔 也許真的會喔 |
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啊可是為什麼就偏偏就碰在這個時機點你解釋不完 我不理你就是說我們這個選罷法 其實我覺得大家不要這麼麻煩大家要衝下去 不用說沒關係讓社會大眾來檢驗輕罪不用去限制他參選就是憲法保障人民參選的權利就是說對於選罷法你看那26條他的規定那些重罪的或者判重刑的就是說這些人不得讓你去參選 |
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罪名,有寫的嘛,我們前陣子那六項都很嚴重的嘛啊,甚至還落後到第七項,到第八項,啊,我們現在想第九項就是說重罪不參選,這個社會有共識的,社會有共識那到緩刑,大家認為說緩刑嘛,輕罪嘛,那也沒關係啦讓他再往開一面,啊,不然理論上來講啦理論上來講,我們在這邊講喔這院長你一定碰到很多人跟你澄清啦我們怎麼會沒有受到澄清,就是說 |
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很多人前面是 我是幹了五屆 幹了六屆 幹了七屆了突然立法院一個修法以後 說他終生不得參選立法院去做這種決定也很奇怪啊那行政機關 內政部也好 中選會也好是說 這就叫立法院往前進的一個方向他遵守我們立法的方向 說這個國家社會要往前進了可是我們現在又抽出某一種太陽出來 |
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我就覺得比較奇怪一點啦名獎沒關係啦 我知道你們要衝阿火啦但是大家要講清楚 否則齁你挑戰這個款型的啦變成我四個月的挑戰你六個月那個異型的啦 |
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你高雄安六個月喔 你修了之後他可以選 當然就變成可以選 合理那我再來請教 別吵啦 現在在發言就是說接下來碰到了一個判四個月的 他會跟你說為什麼高雄安可以參選 他那個四個月的不能參選許中信大教授換你解釋給我聽 你如果要這樣修的話會碰到這個問題 |
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行政部門列席的 不用客氣哪一位要發言請司法院 吳法官請 |
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那個麥克風比較小聲一點所以你可以大聲一點講主席各位委員各位先進本院就直接間接這個用語再補充表示一個意見因為學術上有可能做此等分類但實務上對直接間接這樣的用語是比較陌生所以理解上可能會有困難而且如果不管是直接還是間接它如果都是得益福社會勞動這個結果的話 |
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好像沒有特別記載這個直接間接用語的必要性那以上稍作補充 謝謝各位 |
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現在這樣可以嗎好謝謝主席委員好喔那關於這條文剛剛有看說運動的部分喔我有個有個部分有點疑慮就是說因為上面是寫一福社會勞動但是依照刑法第41條的話是你的一科法第一個部分是法院主文只會 |
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預支得一顆法金的折算標準他是完全不會出現一幅社會勞動的一幅社會勞動是到執行甲官這邊才會知道他適不適合一幅社會勞動比如說他沒有他可以一幅一顆法金但他不申請他可能沒有錢或是有其他的考量他不要一顆法金他跟甲官申請一幅社會勞動 |
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那這樣的話不知道有沒有符合這個法條的用語呢因為法條是寫得益福社會勞動的自由行但是法院並不會宣告這個部分然後另外就是說或是說他有刑法第41條的第四上的狀況還有一些身心健康 |
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之類的然後沒有辦法執行義扶社會勞動這些所以我的意思是說法院只會給義科罰金的折算標準能不能義扶社會勞動要到執行檢察官這邊才會知道這個實務上的一個疑慮 謝謝好沒問題 那許中信對不起許委員稍待一下內政部跟中情會要不要補充一下 |
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剛剛幾位在司法院跟法務部都表達立場針對民眾黨黨團修正動議條文裡面我們跟我們自己的官員討論過也是會有這樣的疑慮第一個不曉得直接跟間接是指什麼意思 |
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直接跟間接你如果沒有做比較完整的一個解釋的話其實站在我們這個第一線要把法條拿來當成執行層面的話確實會有困難那第二個就是剛剛所說的就是說如果按照剛剛的幾位這個法學先進所提的部分如果你讓這個檢察官他在個案判斷上面的話呢他一定會碰到就是說選舉期間跟非選舉期間會落入這樣的政治上的爭議 |
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那我們從來都不希望檢察官落入這樣的爭議因為選舉就是選舉的議題那個是政黨之間的一個競爭的部分所以我們覺得說第一個一定要先了解民眾黨黨團修正動議是指什麼意思那到底要做什麼事情如果沒有講清楚說明白的話站在這個行政機關在執行的層面上一定會出現很多的這個漏洞 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝劉部長補充中學會員要不要補充沒有徐委員請繼續發言您發言之後我們將會休息十分鐘好 謝謝謝謝院長這個有關於直接間接我們的資通法 社會發展部裡面就明明有直接間接的用語所以各位可以查一下資通法 直接間接那麼第二點有關於我們 |
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莊瑞雄戰友,他所講的四個月底下的問題,謝謝你做球給我六個月底下,不是為高雄安,是因為刑法第41條刑法第41條,義扶社會勞動,在第一項六個月以下 |
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有期徒刑可以宣告異乎社會勞動第三項也是六個月以下可以異乎社會勞動它的執行期間只有一年內所以我是從41條得到六個月所以從41條就可以得到那我們今天剛才我們檢察官 |
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講到檢察官執行的問題你沒有看得懂我的修正案也就是說得直接間接一幅社會勞動之自由刑這是法官宣告的刑他的刑如果符合41條第一項第三項就是可以讓他回復參選所以法官宣告了刑如果是在41條一項跟第三項的 |
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自由行根據41條第一項第三項就可以得直接間接義扶社會勞動所以本席所提出來的完全符合中華民國法治序那也可以讓各位做挑戰 |
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今天有錄音錄影我也要回成大面對我的法學界所以我所講的完全是符合中華民國法治序我敢在這裡用我的學術來跟各位講說直接間接在我國法律上不是只有學理而已而是我們的資通法就有直接間接的用於 |
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剛才那個四個月的,我就是要修法讓他可以選到六個月以下都可以選,並沒有說六個月可以,四個月以下不行所以你要看刑法41條的第一項跟第三項這個是有關於法官宣告的自由刑 |
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我沒有去講到華京省,我只想自由省,也就是居易或是六個月底下的自由省,沒有講到華京省這是本人從內政委員會,協商沒有成功,送到我們這裡來協商的 |
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所以我們現在也沒辦法直接只對返刑來處理因為當時在一讀的時候就是包在一起送到這裡協商也不可能只有通過返刑因為立法程序上不能允許這樣子以上 |
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好 謝謝徐委員 莊委員您要繼續我怕他說得冷氣了 徐中興徐委員不是人質疑你啦我是拿這個案例來做一個對於你這樣的一個修法跟我們之所以為什麼在緩刑的時候各個政黨大家有共識那一行處分出來以後會變成反而在這個地方在論戰 |
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我是在指出這個原因否則呢你說緩刑跟你會一刑處分當然都屬於輕罪嘛但是輕罪的部分是不是說完全就一定要來剝奪他參選的一個權利那我國人的主張啦 |
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就很清楚了嘛我都認為 請問你跟韓國瑜要做什麼但問題會碰到一個問題就是這個案件裡面時間點裡面就講不清楚了第二個呢 其實我覺得必須要再去探討一個地方就是說你任何的一個異形處分喔你異形處分有什麼問題你知道嗎假設一個案子我當法官我把這個案子宣判下去以後我把它宣告可以有異形處分的話 |
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變成對確定判決的被告來講的話他是取得一個申請的權利而已喔所以告別要在執行的時候到底是什麼你知道嗎真的到底要檢測多少兩個有夠衰我們兩個手牽手假設我們兩個當然不會違反罪我們如果違反罪之後出來之後 |
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我們去到檢察官那裡 他說 嘿嘿那個許中信長得胖胖的比較可愛得異形處分 得異科罰金莊惠雄看起來比較兇一點 我就把他補回了 你可以參算 我不可以參算也怪所以我才跟你建議 你要嘛就大修你一大修 各個政黨來 大家沒有意見你這個挑出來 我怎麼看就是覺得你看范雲看過去就是高雄安 |
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對不對 只有你們看起來就覺得不是這個為普羅大眾不是 時間點怪 我不敢跟你們說你們修了為了什麼 我怎麼會不知道呢你們如果起心動念是按照你剛剛那個法例來講的話那是整部選法法我們要重新要去把它重修喔勤做的部分 底下看要怎麼去做刪除前面六款的重罪 甚至於有些都不是重罪 |
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重罪可以算的 那可以算的輕罪不能算的 |
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這個我是最在意的我站在是一個法的橫平性許教授我這樣講應該合理我挑戰你不是說你講的不對是說你這時間點然後抽出這麼一塊跟過往大家的論述你們這個講到後怎麼會這樣你們這個講到後怎麼會說你們在那裡交易在那裡交換所以你講的這個哪叫法理如果要講法理的話我們就全套都來講法理清罪可以選的大家有一致性 |
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低於那個重罪可以選的 看誰可以選的低於他的 大家全部都可以選這樣不是合理那可不可以選那不能檢察官來做決定了檢察官說你白白許中信跟我莊惠雄我們兩個都出來了看到許中信說這個許中信看起來可愛這個對社會沒有傷害這個莊惠雄看起來這個難受矯正之效然後繼續不能參選就這樣天啊 幹什麼所以我的意思鄉親娘我的意思是 |
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因為我已經拿我自己下來舉例了嘛就是說我是很對於這個選罷法我們從地方基層來我們怎麼會不懂所以我的意思是要把它修的公平性把它修的一體性如果只對個案的我可以反對這個比較有意思啦反對這個就是說你們要愛什麼你們就說沒關係要面對社會檢驗 |
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你說我們就要賣,我們就真的為了高雄安來的,我覺得這太謙虛,要把它收掉你大大說,我可以跟你說因為你個案,我反對,我只能跟你講這樣而已不然法理上我不認為不通喔,但是我們立法院是這樣子嘛,立法院如果因為個案這樣進來以後 |
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會亂掉啦,真的,你不能要拿到你們想要的說一堆之後,我們都在這裡聽你們說,是,好崇拜你不是,你的法學素養崇拜,但是這次的修法動機不單純 |
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好 謝謝 中央選委那我想等一下我們休息十分鐘請各黨團還有行政官員好好把握這黃金的十分鐘十分鐘之後 我們要宣告沒有 休息你可以溝通 沒問題如果休息之後你還想發言你可以繼續發言 好嗎我希望你們能夠多多溝通好 我們休息十分鐘 謝謝 |
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沒有檢察官的牽扯帶沒有沒有沒有我這個文字得一科是為了自由行拿到判決書就去找中情會沒有檢察官的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
這裏面有個大廈 |
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那個能不能進去吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4722.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
現在的部長還好嗎?現在已經滿好看的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
對啊 看你都好幸福對啊 長生在地比較無謂的無謂的時候我現在也是隨身活肉當擅長的一群人我想自己我們第一擅長就是有時候會早上突然叫醒大家一起回家我們現在連這個電器都沒有 因為人家還要規劃 |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
我現在是說 因為你油膩了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
這裏有很多不同的餐廳 |
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| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
鲍鱼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
4831.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
你看這個樣子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
他們都不關我事, 他們都不關我事, |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
4886.542 |
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真的搞不完,我還說一件事我都不想搞了,那有什麼其他阿伯要啊?阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要,阿伯要, |
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4887.563 |
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好,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
4907.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
4921.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
我們真的要放他選票嗎?那罪名放他不就可以了?那不是這樣說,我們選票落地落地,那都是說罪名的,真的要放他不就可以了?是啊,真的是罪名啊,沒錯啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
4933.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
4949.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
謝謝觀賞 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
4949.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
4964.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
就覺得很不邪惡直接接在你東方佛法裡面多大罰你公子罰你才要清掉因為直接接你學過公子罰沒有?有嘛你通法你沒有看過你學過公子罰嗎?為什麼你這樣講話?直接接是我們東方佛法裡多大罰你要直接接公子罰必修的 |
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4975.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
5000.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
也要比较坚决为什么要判我这个不实的法律的坚决法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决中华民国法律的坚决 |
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5006.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
5021.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
你們花表那個一間接一間比較有用的事情,一定會被反映下來。二十四一條,第三項是比較重要的,第一項比較重要。我用一間接一間比較有用的事情,你們一間接一間比較有用的事情,你們一間接一間比較有用的事情,竟然敢到這裡來。 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
5029.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
5037.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我今天是跟林董打拳 叫他跟你們講你們這麼投擲風格對 基本的 請我把第11項第1項 第3項 第4項 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
5043.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
5045.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
華麗人在講話華麗人在講話華麗人在講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
5066.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
5068.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
5080.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
5083.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
這間店在過萬多晚,也過早下午了。這間店在過萬多晚,也過早下午了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
5109.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5118.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
太多人了 怎麼會就是連綠燈都藍燈為什麼要搶那種綠燈 為什麼要搶那種綠燈為什麼要搶那種綠燈為什麼要搶那種綠燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5136.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5141.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
他們第一次來這裡也很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
5157.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5169.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
5184.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5185.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
5233.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5233.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
謝謝觀看 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
5252.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5259.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
找一下移動安全法 直接的那些條件搜索一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
5266.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
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自動安全法,直接鑑別人,你能不能把它截圖,截圖,截圖,截圖,截圖,截圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5289.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
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開始掌聲半年級大學就這邊一點然後我看到你們把那個直接進去的那個牌子把牌子劃起來把牌框起來把牌框起來,勾起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
5317.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5325.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
這就是整個啦,你就是要控制整個內容,控制它,控制它,控制它。 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
5335.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5343.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
有沒有完整的不是 第三條完整的喔 很長喔那沒有關係 你打 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
5352.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5354.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
這第三條,完全的文字名 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
5372.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5377.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
你已經整個完整了喔 那麼多自動愛學法第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
5414.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5415.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
因為剛才有同仁一直提到檢察官也就是說我的用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5428.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5435.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
得直接間接義扶社會勞動之自由行者這個判決法官下了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
5437.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
就直接找中選會要登記參選由中選會去認定他所受的刑自由刑是否是刑法41條第1項跟第3項的刑如果可以的話他就是得直接間接異乎社會勞動之自由刑責跟檢察官完全無關也就是拿到判決書法院判決書判了以後他拿這個判決書 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
到中選會登記要參選由中選會審查是否符合41條第一項第三項的問題跟檢察官的執行完全無關至於我剛才協商休息的時候我很不好意思有一點不高興這個我對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5502.476 |
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本院的同仁講話不符合法理我可以接受但是在場的法律人講話如果違反我國法制的法理我非常的難過我國法律裡面直接間接公司法必修的也有 知通法也有這個很多法制都有直接間接 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
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5522.45 |
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那所以本人用直接間接就是說 41條第一項 刑法40條第一項那個是比較輕罪的 它是間接異乎社會勞動第三項是比較重罪的 它直接異乎社會勞動所以用直接間接是為了表示說 不是只有第三項可以 |
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參選第一項比較輕的也可以參選我的用心是在這裡才會加一個直接間接那如果大家對直接間接有意見那我們直接就規定說得一幅社會勞動是自由行者這樣也可以但是這樣 |
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會被人家誤以為只有第三項可以參選第一項不能參選所以我才會加入第一項直接、間接、義扶社會勞動的自由行者以上,謝謝各位謝謝徐中興委員的補充國民黨團請發言謝謝我們法學專業的各位委員所提出很多寶貴意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
5566.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
5581.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我用一個人民比較聽都懂的話語來跟大家做一個報告基本上人民都很期待司法是公平的 天平是公平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
5584.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
5609.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
這個司法不應該成為政治的武器再三強調我就看一看我沒有像他們法律讀這麼多基本法學有但是並沒有這麼專業我就把一個時事讓全民來分享民眾黨黨主席柯文哲疑似政黨收取贊助款兩百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
5611.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
5634.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
收押一年 判刑17年 沒有其他證據民進黨陳啟玉掏空台元幾十億 交保吳乃仁掏空台糖1.7億 居不到 具體居不到鄭文燦貪污 收500萬 押一個月周鐵潤疑是預備賄選罪 預備賄選罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
5640.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
5668.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
起訴書疑似買四張聯署書1234四張聯署書收押七個月判刑三年四個月再加上高環市長林志廟縣長楊文科縣長還有被大罷免的時候的謝國良市長還有竹帆不及被宰被起訴被偵辦被圍剿的在野黨立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
5670.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
5696.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
再加上剛剛要選屏東縣長的蘇清泉本來一場火災跟他沒有直接關係還起訴一年還起訴之後一年後現在改變法條重新再行起訴我想這個當司法成為政治的武器啊這絕對不是全民之福我們再看一看齁周點任 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
5698.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
5724.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
疑似埋收購預備會選罪收購四張聯署書判三年四個月我們也跟法務部司法院調了過去十年司法院的判決預備會選罪六個月以下包括醫科包括反省等等判決達到98%一年以下一年以下只有2% |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
5727.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
5748.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
但終點論被判三年四個月中華民國史上第一個 還收押七個月所以我要特別強調今天大家在這裡討論 還要回歸一點我覺得今天講得最清楚的最摸得良心在這裡的公務機關叫做中選會 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
5778.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
他說這個基本上有沒有這個比例原則人民參政權是一個基本的權利到底有沒有什麼樣來繩之用什麼樣來壓制規範來沒收他的權利我想這個比例啊大家應該識度清楚那基本上國民黨是這樣我是把大家聽得懂的話把實務現在發生的事情時事讓大家來講好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
5781.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
5785.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
謝謝國民黨團副總召發言接下來我們請范雲委員發言范雲委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
5788.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
5812.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
我想關於對司法的一個獨立性的不干預民進黨團的立場一向是不分黨派我們認為法律的公正性非常的重要今天這題的重點就是怎麼樣的人有參選資格我們討論的是這個部分大家都知道投票權跟被選舉權其實民眾的期待是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
5813.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
5834.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我們上一波大家跨黨派一起支持的是說民眾期待要擔任公職的人標準應該要更高今天從莊瑞雄幹事長到我其實我們講的都是公平一致只要大家公平一致有共識的部分當然是可以的依照比例的放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
5835.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
5847.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
可是如果不公平一致而且讓民眾認為這是不是為已經據說確定的一些就是政治人物量身打造我想這就會有很大的爭議那我們剛回來講剛剛講到的這個會選我個人也是覺得奇怪今天會選難道四張選票或者是聯署書 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
5858.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
5880.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
跟四百張比起來他就應該要四張的人有參選資格四百張的沒有參選資格嗎那我個人也是覺得不能接受因為要找到證據以我來看的話那詳細的部分我們就不評論了至少從我一個不懂法律的人來講的話我覺得會選就會選四張四百張那民眾自有看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
5881.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
5895.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
那回來講這個選務的部分我剛剛還沒有去質疑的一點就是今天如果他是被異服社會勞動如果今天是一個普通人他做得不好或做到一半不去做檢察官是可以把他撤銷資格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
5896.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
5900.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
可是今天如果他不是高宏安是某黨候選人選到一半然後選得很認真去跑選舉卻又沒有把他的社會勞動做好那被認為太惡劣那檢察官把他撤銷資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
5912.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
5938.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
不就變了一個壓力好像他在干預選舉因為他會失去了這個候選的身份那當然剛剛張瑞雄幹事長有跟我講說許委員非常的值得尊敬那我們也不希望您的名聲被影響所以我建議那要讓大家不懷疑的話那民眾黨是不是願意把選罷法26條你只要宣布就是你們在那邊訂的之後是9月4號之後三讀公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
5940.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
5954.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
為什麼是9月4號因為9月4號是今年參選登記的最後一天那這個整個社會就會認為你們不是為了高鴻安量身定做因為既然是普遍性的話那你們就多寫就是說三讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
5955.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
5955.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
請問行政部門有沒有要補充的? |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
5978.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
5995.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
沒有要補充的好謝謝我們顯然我們黨團之間都沒有辦法達成共識好吧因此我現在要做以下的宣告我們黨團經過溝通之後並沒有達成共識本案的後續我們就照依照規定來辦理好不好我們現在來散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
6022.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
6022.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
謝謝觀看,下次見! |