| IVOD_ID |
17506 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17506 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T08:36:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T11:07:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:30:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db345d10eba1810039d4828ff2e654818d6dbd1a1f1ae50216bbec8fe10dc858f55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(處理)
【6月10日及6月11日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:49 - 11:07:00 |
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好大家早安好現在開始開會請主席報告初期人數報告委員會初期委員6人已足法定人數 |
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好我們現在開會我們進行報告事項請宣讀我們上次的會議事錄立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議事錄時間115年6月3日星期三上午9時至12時30分115年6月4日星期四上午9時至9時42分地點紅樓101會議室出席人莊嘉賓等14人列席委員吳立華等8人列席官員115年6月3日星期三經濟部常務次長賴建信等 |
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1436.917 |
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一百一十五年六月四日星期四公民交易委員會代理主任委員陳志明等主席召集員洪玉祥一百一十五年六月三日星期三報事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定談事項一繼續審查本院委員吳立華等十七人領據土石採取法第三條條文修正草案二本院委員黃仁等三十六人領據土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案三本院委員邱盈儀等二十一人委員賴瑞郎等十九人分別領據土石採取法部分條文修正草案等二案 |
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1465.998 |
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1486.811 |
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4.本院委員許志傑等31人委員柯志峰等49人委員陳廷堅等16人委員丁守中等16人分別拟據土石差距法第36條條案修正查案等事案5.本院委員邱振軍等24人拟據土石差距法第36條第38條及第39條條案修正查案6.本院台灣民進黨黨團拟據土石差距法第36條第38條及第41條條案修正查案2.審查 |
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一 行政行政審議 土石猜拘法第3條條案修正草案二 本院委員林建吉等17人擬拒 土石猜拘法第3條第18條及第39條條案修正草案三 本院委員鄭天才等16人擬拒 土石猜拘法第3條及第14條條案修正草案四 本院委員徐曉新等16人 委員王宏優等19人 委員廖偉翔等21人分別擬拒土石猜拘法第36條條案修正草案等3案 |
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1543.084 |
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談判事項何必詢答?委員您見其說明提案要旨經濟部廠商市場耐震性爆爆後委員中交兵整12人提出質詢據而經濟部廠商市場耐震性等及其答覆登記發言委員除不在場者外區域均與發言完畢詢答結束委員邱盈盈、鄭天才、陳昌明及柯之恩所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和問及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內與書面答覆並複製本會委員另有要求期限者從期鎖定 |
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1543.904 |
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1572.2 |
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決議一 第三條條文 趙委員 張嘉斌 吳麗娃等人所提修正同意 修正通過 條文如下第三條土石採取 因依本法取得土石採取許可 但相應情形不再此現一 採取少量土石供自用者二 實施整地與工程就地取材者三 礦業權者在礦區內採取同礦床共生之土石者四 因天災事變緊急搶修公幹工程所需者五 政府機關辦理重要工程所需者六 裝瓦或窯業開採土石自用者 |
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1572.6 |
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1592.731 |
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七原住民一原住民族基本法第十九條第一項第三款規定採取土石者八因新修建原住民傳統石板屋或地下屋等形式之住宅教會機關學校聚會所或公共設施所需者九原住民族部落原住民族部落實施部落自主災害防救與環境維護所需者 |
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1593.371 |
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1621.289 |
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前項各款土石採取地點、面積、數量、期間之管理辦法由中央主管機關定之涉及原住民及原住民族部落者由中央主管機關會同原住民族委員會定之二、第十四條條案照委員、宗家兵、吳立華等人所提修正等於通過條案如下第十四條之下是縣市主管機關審核申請土石採取許可案時因會防水利、漁業、水土保持、交通、環境保護、土地使用、管理及其他相關機關實地勘查經依法審任任 |
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1621.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1642.229 |
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审核认为违反主管法律情势者报监察主管机关审核后核发土石采取许可证前项申请土石采取许可之土地位于原住民族土地或部落及其周边一定范围之公共土地者土石采取申请人应依原住民族基本法第21条规定办理第36条条文照行政提案 |
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修正通過條例下第36條未經許可採取土石者處新台幣100萬元以上2500萬元以下罰還並得末路行業人使用之載運車輛或其他機械設備直銷市縣市主管機關應縣及地行業人依第六項規定完成整副該廠址及清除其設施這級未完成者處新台幣10萬元以上250萬元以下罰還並願之處罰 |
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1665.868 |
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1682.51 |
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必要時得到直轄市縣市主管機關代為整複該廠址及清除其設施其費用也行為人負擔未定許可與船舶或其他機械設備方式在下列區域採取採取土石者處1年以上7年以下有其徒刑得併科興台幣1億元以下罰金以中華民國面水 |
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1682.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1712.009 |
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不含內陸水域及臨海二 臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第29條第二項規定公告之金門、韓東定屋邱、馬祖、韓東嶺漾島及南沙地區之限制禁止水域一族營利有第一項未經許可採取土石清新者處五年以下有期徒刑得併科新臺幣五千萬以下罰金其下行刑致釀成災害者處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑得併科新臺幣六千萬以下罰金因而致人於死者處一期徒刑或七年以上有期徒刑 |
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1712.469 |
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1730.544 |
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得并科新台币1亿元以下罚金至专商者处3年以上10年以下有期徒刑得并科新台币8千万以下罚金公第二项及第三项犯罪用资船舶载运车辆及其他机械设备不分属于犯罪行为的与否没收之其经裁判没收确定者得示个案情节需要变卖或 |
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1731.204 |
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1746.501 |
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拍賣或編賣或專案報紙以下列方式之一處置之一 無償流工公用二 廢棄三 無其他適當處置第一項 整戶不得使用廢棄物整戶得使用這物料實施方法及其他相關事項由中央主管機關會商相關主管機關公告之 |
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1747.482 |
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1753.505 |
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4.第37條、第38條、第39條及第40條條文均不以修正維持現行條文5. |
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1762.809 |
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第41條條文照台灣民眾黨黨盤提案修正通過條文如下第41條有下令情形之一者處薪納率3000元以上、300元以下罰還1. |
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1762.809 |
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1767.491 |
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土石採取人會依第32條第一項規定申報採取及銷售數量者2. |
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1767.491 |
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1772.394 |
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土石採取負責人會依第35條第一項規定開具出貨三年單會計記載內容與實際裝載者不符則 |
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1776.164 |
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1785.596 |
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三 運送人位第35條第一項規定隨車攜帶出貨出貨三元攤者四 土石採取採取場負責人位第35條第二項規定將土石裝載於專用車廂或專用車廂外運者 |
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1805.547 |
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6.並按審查環境擬拒審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商並推請紅召集委員翊翔於院會討論時做補充說明主席宣告審查通過這條文相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理115年6月4日討論事項 |
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1808.028 |
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1834.203 |
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繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算非營業部分關於公平交易委員會主管反托拉斯基金決議115年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算依依收入部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第17項公平交易委員會1億1895萬4千元照列第四款財產收入第18項公平交易委員會26萬元照列第七款其他收入第18項 |
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1835.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1858.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
公民交易委員會7萬元照列 二稅出部分 第二款行政人主管 第十三項公民交易委員會3億5千7百萬3千元照列本項通過決議51項 三有關正式別稅出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整115年度中央政府總預算案非營業部分關於公民交易委員會主管反托拉斯基金 丁公民交易委員會主管一特別收入基金反托拉斯基金一 |
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1860.386 |
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1885.582 |
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業務計畫 應依據基金來源與用途審查結果隨同調整二 基金來源用途及餘處一 基金來源5482萬2千元照列二 基金用途6707萬3千元照列三 本期短處1225萬1千元照列三 結繳公顧無劣數四 通過決議十六項 主席宣告本次會議通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理 散會 宣讀完畢好 |
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1890.318 |
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1915.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
來我們確定一下議事錄請問這場各位同仁上次會議事錄也無錯誤好沒有錯誤我們就議事錄確定來讓我們繼續進行討論事項請宣讀討論事項繼續審查115年度章政府總商案附屬單位運算費營業部分關於農業部主管農業作業基金農田水利事業作業基金農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金 |
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1916.497 |
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1942.68 |
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好 我們這個農業部附屬單位預算以及非營業部分我們在4月23號第14會議詢答結束那5月27號第15會議我們已經有宣讀提案完畢我們現在進行協商處理那這個在場有包括主席和三位委員那我們現在主案進行審查 |
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1943.882 |
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1963.115 |
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好 第一案到第二案一起處理這個關於農業作業基金第二部分這個本席改文組決議那就照案這個預算照列第三案的部分 楊瓊瑜委員請農業部陳部長說明 單位說明第三案 |
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1971.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1996.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
主席安委員這邊說明一下第三個部分縣市縣所在乳牛的遺傳選育跟牛群結構優化還有DHI資料分析等等都有相當好的成果包括我們從過去10年來乳牛的乳產量每頭進步了大概1000公斤左右去年菲律賓也同意我們這個腫瘤的出口所以我們建議這個案子免於凍結 以上 |
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2000.02 |
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2015.345 |
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你說你乳流發展得很好但是我們看到你的牛啊從111年度是900牛乳的部分是904公噸那你到113年你是剩下707公噸 |
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2021.769 |
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2030.793 |
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你實際上減少了197公噸減了是21.79那牛乳生產的部分你從113年3098萬多那你也遞減到113年是2523萬是人家不要養還是做不出來還是牛的牛乳少還是什麼樣原因因為你減少了500多我們一直是希望能夠給 |
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2050.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2060.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
畜產也好還是農的部分讓他們那個農民他可以增加他的收入嘛可是我看到你總額是減少啊但你預算沒減啊這怎麼回事呢我要聽的是這個啊好跟委員說明一下這一個部分我們在 |
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2068.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2081.776 |
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這個乳牛這邊主要是配合我們的這個實驗的計畫來進行所以它是一個資生物是資生物那我們在去年114年的這個乳產量跟它的產值比113年增加了大概36%左右 |
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2083.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2099.623 |
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所以整體上的這個生產上是有在優化那另外一部分是我們是實驗研究單位所以為了避免與民爭利我們當然不是為了主要是生產這個牛乳那你講有一點矛盾嗎我先問完 |
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2102.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2111.076 |
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瓜葛委員我等一下我先問完題目我要的答案你沒給我111年到113年你是第幾那你剛剛說不跟與民爭利但是你114年是比113年又多36%多那你不是前後矛盾嗎 |
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2120.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2145.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
這部分跟委員說明一下就是其實我們主要是搭配試驗研究因為是研究單位所以有時候等一下你這樣講就對了我們要得到的答案就是說你們是在試驗那你試驗當中因為你說多少你跟我講數字多少你也前後矛盾你說不與民爭議所以我會提出這個反駁那你其實你真正的是在做試驗 |
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2146.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2169.253 |
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那你這個試驗你應該告訴我們說你這個試驗到底有什麼很大的一個成效比如說你的牛乳有什麼菌少還是什麼菌多就要讓國人知道知道說你努力所得的成果要展現出來對不對你要針對本席的回答請說明 |
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2170.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2197.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
再跟我們補充就是我們在過去10年在整個育種上面的這個成效還有飼養管理我們每年每頭的乳牛增加了1000公斤的這個乳量每頭每年所以這個數量是相當的多那我們去年菲律賓也准許我們的總公牛跟這個總公牛的出口到菲律賓區那代表說我們總牛的這個品質是有相當的這個改進 |
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2198.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2219.448 |
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這是第一次我們的總工有去菲律賓對嘛 我們應該要將你的成果給社會大眾知道啊這是國家的榮耀嘛 是農業的榮耀嘛只要你們單位知道 我們都不知道看到你的數字在提前 有時候又增加所以當然要問清楚啊所以部長在這裡 部長我是這樣建議 |
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2220.589 |
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你知道我非常的重視我們的農業我們台中來自我也來自台中以農立國的台灣是我最支持但是我總是覺得現在不是只有國內而是國際的一個競爭我經常在想你現在不管什麼AI什麼的還是跟我們農離開不了關係你眼睛睜開當你晚上睡覺24小時你都跟我農有關係啦我們是很偉大的 |
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那我們有很多的成果出來你們應該要告訴我們在座的現場有誰知道說你的腫瘤第一次可以進口到菲律賓去對不對就像早期我們支持生醫科技他可以有疫苗出來我們出國跟著總統出國我們就帶著疫苗去耶非常榮耀耶 |
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當然我不知道可不可以帶一隻牛去但是這是我們的榮耀要讓大家知道嘛農也可以做很好的國際外交跟世界你看你可以進到這個菲律賓去這了不得啊那為什麼不講呢是不是所以建議部長你要去盤點我們到底有哪一些榮耀你要去宣傳嗎 |
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謝謝委員的一個提醒後續我想我們會把我們所有的一些成果特別是在跟國際合作把我們的農業的技術外銷到其他國家的部分做有系統的宣導對外來說明好 楊委員那個週一到8月31號好 那這個部分呢我就改為主決議 |
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考察主席 我也會排那個敘事所 如果申許可的話去敘事所去考察一下 我想去看看英明的召集人 因為我來自神藝園我來自神藝園 其實我們以前就是到敘事所 農事所我盡快來安排 好像那個農事所那一個啊 所有的那個玉米啊 |
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幾千種都在那裡你沒有說我不知道對啦 所以要排我們都沒有去過敘事所我來排對應該要去我們排一個立委的一個行程然後到我來排啦不是你來排 我來排 |
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主席可以問一下請教部長這個跟敘事所跟薰牧師還有部長很有關係因為幾位委員都非常關心我們本土的鮮乳其實要開始非本土產的弱農產的乳不能夠叫鮮乳因此我們預期國內的希望和農業部想要知道一下對於未來我們國內鮮乳的需求量的消長 |
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因為過去段時間受到進口冰磚爐的影響業務爐用量大幅的改用進口的冰磚爐那我們希望在今年7月1號後這個鮮乳政策 |
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明確後能夠提升本土鮮乳酪農他們的需求量但是我這裡關心的還是那個再養的投數因為之前我們畜牧師一直對我們酪農他們的這個乳牛他目前的養殖的環境希望改善那剛剛所長也提高了我們本土的乳牛的密乳量他的年產值是在年產量是在提高的那如果說我們的銷量沒有增加那表示再養投數會減少 |
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我再講一次如果說我們本土的鮮奶的銷量沒有提高以現在弱農飼養的乳牛的頭數它的單位生產量是增加的那它的頭數就會下降那下降當然我們希望有更好品質的牛乳但是這也產生一個問題 |
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就是本土牛肉的需求因為本土的肉牛基本上兩個來源是黃牛一個是汰換的乳牛但是我們目前我所知道的有需求市場上需求是不是對於牛肉不是進口冷凍牛肉而是希望溫體牛肉那溫體牛肉它就是本土飼養的肉牛或者汰換下來的乳牛那這些數量 |
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農業部有沒有掌握 因為我所知道的聽聞有要從國外進口中牛比如350公斤的養成到400或450公斤再做來提供為牛肉的需求那但是這會衝擊到本土 |
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本身我們肉牛牠的培育從這個窄牛到小牛到中牛到大牛這整套是不是部長可以請敘牧師簡單的說明一下因為這跟那個敘事所那個敘事所本身在培養牛種有點關係因為我再舉個例像我之前去安排一個考察圓心牛市李登輝前總統基金會他們希望將日本在台灣的肉牛的品種的保留跟乳牛這邊進行混養後 |
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能夠培養出本土的肉牛那關鍵這一點是不是部長或者是市長簡單的說明一下部長前面我前面的講 前面前面 |
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謝謝鳳委員你問完之後一起請部長答覆好就是剛才中委員提到就是這個鮮乳的問題那我們也知道就是說部長有承諾就是未來國產的鮮乳怎麼樣子與就是茶飲店還有其他的相關的就是說乳品的相關的就是一些食品業者怎麼樣合作提升台灣本土鮮乳的 |
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這樣子一個品牌的價值那這個部分因為這個會期到8月31號我覺得這個召委應該要請部長帶委員會的委員去做相關的考察並且就是說對於這樣子本土鮮乳的品牌價值的提高也給予相當的宣傳這樣子大家才可以對 |
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我們台灣的弱農業者能夠提供就是說我們本土乳品的相關的行銷那也讓他們對抗就是說外國的這個乳品的時候能夠有相關的讓大家能夠優先的採用本地的乳品這樣子好不好 |
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我覺得我們英鳳委員非常有智慧我跟鍾嘉斌委員曾經去參與過就是將我們的牛奶、牛乳原本火鍋都是用日本北海道當日進口當日飛機載送過來但是我們就有一個想法我們自己有連鎖協會 |
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所以吴理事长非常的用心所以他就去结盟了手摇椅还有火锅店那现在据闻是国内的牛乳它供量不足了因为这些连锁店在末端的商品区把农产品成为商品是我一直非常坚持这是政府要去协助 |
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我們的這個商業的負責人以及農業的耕作者他的價值會產生所以我舉這個例子就是說這個結盟非常的好其實我們有很多的東西都可以用這樣的方式軌道去結盟 |
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讓農民他也有一個穩定大概一年有多少的量這個非常好包括我們的水果啊蔬菜我認為都可以因為只要有錢人家都願意種就像剛剛所說的馬牛 |
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那你進口讓便宜那你罵我當然大家喜歡吃溫體的那你要怎麼去宣傳讓人家願意養願意種然後你末端最重要的我非常建議政府你必須要去做媒合媒介的一個工作嘛這個很重要創造農業的產值出來嘛它的價值出來好 謝謝 請農業部總部答覆 |
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謝謝委員的一些對我們的弱農產業的一個關心 我就幾個面向去回答 第一個部分就是委員所關心的業務用奶 特別是冰磚奶很容易就是進到我們的市場 就是有一些首要飲店那我在這邊要用數據跟我們的委員報告 就是過去的那個冰磚奶都是從紐西蘭或澳洲進來的 去年即使是 |
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紐西蘭零關稅整體的冰磚奶它16000噸是比前年的16000噸還少6%左右換句話說冰磚奶本身它的量降低了那為什麼會降低就是誠如剛才委員所說的去年我們就大力跟聯手加盟協會去 |
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合作把我們的手搖飲的通路所有的用原來用冰磚奶的有系統的去改成用我們的國產鮮奶而且他們現在連鎖加盟協會也用使用台灣鮮乳的標章放在他們的手搖飲店那這個部分就是有系統的當作一個商品去做推銷第二個部分就是中委員所關心的肉牛的部分那我們在這邊我其實我跟委員報告我們已經走訪了非常多的那個 |
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那個乳牛場現在過往的肉牛都是乳牛淘汰以後去當肉牛現在有很多乳牛業者本身他也同時從事肉牛的雜貨牛的飼養這樣的話就是不一定說全部用乳牛去供養因為我們現在乳牛是18萬9千頭 |
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那這樣的一個投訴是維持在那邊我們透過牛籍管理去做強制的一個登錄跟保險那第二個部分就是酪農場他要增加牛隻的時候我們是轉向輔導他增加雜貨牛的飼養 |
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那有一些公牛是從國外進口不是中間的就是已經是特別是精液的部分或是一些那是做育種配合用的不是直接來做生產用的所以說肉牛跟乳牛是一樣重要的那在同樣的肉農場裡面我們會做有系統的一個區隔以上 |
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不好意思我也想問那個就是剛才部長所提到的去年你說就是說好像進口的冰川奶變少對對對但是據我了解去年的是因為就是紐西蘭澳洲他們的產量也不足嘛 |
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那今年不知道情況是如何那還有就是說因為去年這樣子他們產量不足造成我們有一個能夠鏈結這個本土的乳牛的業者跟這些食品業者的這樣子一個鏈結 |
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那這個鏈結有沒有辦法加深加廣因為如果今年澳洲紐西蘭的乳品的產量很好的時候那當然有可能造成這個冰川卵就會大量的提高進口就這個部分是不是能夠請部長再說明一下 |
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我先說明一下去年其實紐西蘭的冰磚奶是提高的但是澳洲的冰磚奶是下降的所以它是有進口的關係那我們觀察了它的進口價是差不多的部分雖然說有一些減產但是以我們台灣使用的乳量的部分其實不足以就是說大到說會因為它減產而減少的部分但是我們會持續關切就是您說的加大力道讓我們 |
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我們國內的相關所有使用牛奶的並過去使用冰磚奶的這些商家能夠改用國產乳的部分這個部分我想我們會更有力道的去透過不同的包括我們用台灣鮮奶的這些標章從7月1號只有鮮才只要有標鮮就是我們國產的我們是以這個為目標去做市場的區隔 |
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好 那個主席我先聲明一下因為我的問題應該是在主決議的第12案跟主決議的第15案分別是我們主席的提案本席有連署 以及跟賴委員的提案那一個是關於乳牛 一個是關於牛種主決議還沒處理還沒到 所以我到那時候再問好了來這個看來如果我當召委的時候每天我都要準備國產鮮乳給大家喝 |
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不是 我說給你們喝啦全部的話我可能沒辦法明天開始有出席的委員我都準備 |
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今天啊 我還來不及去買 明天開始吧明天開始我來準備這個國產鮮乳一定要國產鮮乳給我們初期的委員來補充一下體力我們第三案 續產改良作業基金 醫護成本與費用其他醫護成本 雜項醫護成本我們楊小英改組決議 預算照列 |
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好 第四案 第五案一起處理 關於農業科技園區的作業基金那今天園區是誰出席來 是中央主任 是 這個部分呢兩位提案委員都不在 是不是我們就改為照列好 是 |
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這個我是尊重主席但是我還是要請主管機關單位說明一下農業科技園區的作業基金裡頭這次著重在哪裡請說明 |
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是跟委員報告那作業基金這個我們的作業基金實際上主要是用在整個園區的基礎的維運包括消防道路保全還有水資源的這些處理那最主要的目的是提供給廠商一個比較好的這個營運的環境那 |
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農業科技園區主要分兩期在開發那第一期進駐率實際上已經達到94%左右那第二期在目前有達到4成左右那如果包括最近幾家接洽的預租的大概有到達5成那我們希望說這些基金可以來支持我們讓 |
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來接駕的廠商覺得在農業科技園區的服務是很好的整個整體的環境是好的一個重點喔是這個我一直認為說我們政府自己做這個園區應該是協助所有的廠商嘛是那為什麼人家不進駐呢你的第二題 |
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第二期實際上它開源到今年只有五年多只有五年多所以我們現在只有四成啊對 那到為什麼原因呢這個進駐我們的招商實際上它是持續性的目前大概一年大概會有六公頃左右我們今年已經把出租率提高到八成所以最近幾個月接洽的你聽懂本席的建議的提問嗎 |
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你一個園區已經五年了 你現在進駐率只有四成四成的原因到底是我們自己還沒有開發完成還是人家不要進來還是你的類別 你在招商的時候 類別不吻合你要回答我提出的問題啊 |
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而不是你在政策宣導我現在6公頃怎麼樣我要問的是原因啊到底是怎麼回事啊你五年了你的進駐率是4成原因是什麼人家不要來交通不方便還是說你類別隔壁賣什麼我不願意 |
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還是說我們的招商條件不符合人家嘛這個很奇怪啊到底原因是什麼 還是我們要預留做什麼這是我們要問的問題 請回答 |
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是 跟委員報告我們一期的部分現在幾乎已經額滿了啦那二期 對那二期的部分可以出租的面積大概93.8公頃那過往 |
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大概每年都是6公頃6公頃左右在在成長因為招商實際上也跟整個景氣也有一些關係那今年從年初到現在包括預租的已經達到8公頃 |
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那我們接下來是一直在持續在招商那比如說我們會有開這個跟產學協會開媒合會我們帶廠商到接下來的這個智慧科技展那裡也有一些相關的業別的廠商那之前 |
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我們的招商把它比較限在生物科技的部分那我們也把這個招商的類別從生物科技農業放寬到農產品的加工所以後續的這個招商的情形應該可以達到我們的預期 |
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那個部長在這裡我的建議是這樣子你說我每一年都六公頃 六公頃但是如果以商業的行為來看我花了這麼多錢我把它做成這個園區那這個六公頃的意涵到底是什麼到底是我的量能就只能這樣而已還是說我的條件就是這樣子所以不符合其他的人的條件所以他沒有辦法進來 |
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因為我既然我既然完成了這個園區我就是要租住租住我就有錢了那為什麼我們五年只有四成這是我一直覺得很奇怪的一件事情那現在的環境已經跟以往不一樣當然我們農民都很故意啦 |
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可是當你成為一個園區 你在招商的時候你就不是只有農喔 你就不是只有農你的行銷 你的企業管理 這一些都是必要的那所以我舉例 我們現在台中的這個世貿世貿全部額滿 展期全部額滿訂到明年都還幾乎要訂不到 |
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這樣子熱門的地方他們也在做調整喔在調整什麼 異業結合比如說我們這一次的機械展我們就跟這個食品展結合在一起因為一次來到這裡幾十萬人他光光要吃我一進來我如果再出去 |
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我很浪費我的時間而且交通也打結所以我們展了幾次我建議這些人都要吃你不能讓他一整天沒吃所以陸陸續續半年之後食品展跟機械展大家會思維機械展跟食品展怎麼有相關因為這些人也要吃所以他們結合起來效果加成增加的參展人數超過三成 |
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所以我舉這個例子剛剛當然那個主管有講到你們未來要這個招商的條件招商的項目你們要去做討論啊你不是告訴我說我總共有多少園區那我每一年六公頃那我不就要等如果照你的規劃我還要等到十幾年你才會都招出去而且前面招的也不一定持續給你租欸那你們料洗啊 |
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這些都是老百姓的錢 都是我們的納稅錢所以我是建議過說應該是要多元多元像我們現在觀光我們的國運中心我最後舉一個例子我讓你們有這個思考大家希望能夠把它召出去 召出去就有錢了會幫助廠商 會幫助農民你要想我們的運動中心以前 |
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以前的運動中心就是大人的運動中心我們台中的運動中心我們就是國運中心加兒暨兒童運動中心你今天年輕的爸爸媽媽他的孩子可能3歲5歲10歲他沒有帶出 |
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所以我們就把大人的運動中心跟兒童的就結盟在一起那你就帶著你陪著你的孩子來運動大人你去運動小孩運動小孩的都有有老師有教練這個管理人去顧著這樣子大家很開心啊 |
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那你如果堅持你原來我不知道你們五年前的條件到底是怎麼樣因為已經五年了你才試成這不要檢討嗎你在公告的時候這個內容不要檢討嗎這就是我的建議啦好 總裁並委員好 謝謝非常感佩我們楊委員在台中的市政成果跟經驗很值得我們農科做參考 |
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分析的幾點也非常鞭筆入理畢竟農科在我們的區域當中我們屏東非常了解那在這裡我希望說會後看部長還是我們主任剛剛對楊委員的關心的點大概幾個部分可以深入來說明第一個農科跟一般的產業園區有所區隔 |
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因為它是農業生物科技園區它在環境的條件上的規範較為嚴苛在空污水污的總量跟使用的能源耗用跟排碳上當時設置園區的時候它的環評在總量上就已經上限就已經卡住了所以後續的招商縱使我知道主任很積極有開放一些類別在農產加工食品的部分有讓他進來但是舉例來講有些 |
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業者他要進來會受到我們原來的空污水污的總量管制的限制比如說我們希望能夠國產酒精能夠將國內的這些農產品不要依賴進口但是這樣先進酒精廠要進入到農科他當時就非常辛苦 |
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因為它燒用的能源 它所謂的排水 這些都會影響到我們農科當時整體規範所設定的定量那希望說部長是不是能夠呢 一定時間已經30年了做個檢討 農科如果繼續擴大 它的使用面積 它的二期面積繼續擴大那整個園區的相關的環境的總量的配額 應該要尋求適度的擴大 |
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然後才能夠容納更多先進的產業在這樣的一個環境條件下才能進駐大概是這個部分 請部長能夠考慮到農科要做一些檢討謝謝 謝謝趙偉農科我去看過了兩次我對農是非常用心就陳柏宗委員所說的當時我們有環評我們有總量的一個管制但是問題是我們連總量管制當時的環評我們都達不到所以這個是我們要檢討的 |
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那個農業部還在打電話 沒有的話我就要隨便處理齁那個 賴董你下一輪啦齁來 那個第四案 第五案 文字一任照列好 我們處理主決議 第六案遵照辦理好 照案通過 第七案遵照辦理 照案通過主決議第八案遵照辦理 照案通過主決議第九案修正文字已經 委員已經有簽名好 那任委員是我同意 |
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好 照修正文字通過主決議第10案 遵照辦理11案 遵照辦理10案 遵照辦理12案 |
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這裡面在第一段的倒數第三行這裡面以允儀通盤檢討乳牛的育種繁殖管理跟產銷策略那因為這裡面你們要提出一個報告所以我希望未來農業部在這個部分剛剛因為部長提到了雜貨牛因為現在因為整個提案內容是比較對未來國內乳牛牛乳的生產比較是保守所以認為這個乳牛的量會稍微縮減 |
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但是我們考慮到 乳牛的育種剛剛講到雜貨牛因為國人大概我們使用的牛肉當中本國產的大概不到5%但是未來我們看到溫體牛肉的市場正在興起所以對牛肉或者肉牛的需求會提高因為溫體牛一定要是本土的肉牛 |
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那肉牛的來源剛剛說了除了是乳牛的牛母啊雜貨牛生出來的牛呢他來作為肉牛飼養或者說之前淘汰的公牛小公牛乳牛小公牛他做肉牛來飼養那另外呢也有人主張說要進口來肥成的 |
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那這個部分因為進口活牛進來肥成這個過去是沒有沒有這樣的政策那這個部分我們希望未來在討論的時候呢應該要審慎去評估啦那希望說你們這個報告內容當中呢雖然這裡談的是乳牛的育種但是考量到乳牛的牛乳的產量的調控時候對於再養的乳牛本身 |
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他的為了要持續蜜乳他必須持續的懷孕必須生小牛可是小牛不見得都做乳牛之用那這時候的雜貨牛或者國內的肉牛的需求市場的需求呢是不是一併納入考量 好不好好 謝謝委員我想我們可以就是未來就是用牛產業的包括乳牛的部分包括肉牛的部分它兩個息息相關我們把它做整體的說明中委你剛剛提到乳牛的牛母是什麼意思 |
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哦 滷牛的牛牛 |
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我才發現我們那次去考察很多在場的男士不曉得說乳牛必須懷孕才會生才會有牛乳不是乳牛養母的就一直會產乳但是他每次懷孕生的小牛公牛一定是淘汰因為公牛不能產乳那母牛的話小的母牛他要看需要來做一個新陳代謝的補充但是多半我們目前的肉牛的飼養的牛種是來自於乳牛場 |
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他生的小牛作為肉牛做打過來做肉牛或者淘汰的母牛呢來作為使用的我們就第十二案的主決議是不是按照剛才鍾委員所建議的增加 |
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第十四案主決議 遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理� |
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因為我們的酪農專業區其實最有名的得到環境部表揚的就是在柳營的酪農專業區那裡面之所以被肯定就是說那裡的酪農乳牛的生產區它在污染的排放部分做了一個非常好的循環經濟的示範它有一個八翁的一個廢水的處理設施但是這個八翁廢水處理設施它雖然是對於我們酪農的產業 |
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非常有幫助他本身他不是用牧場登記來做營運他是用公司成立設置他用工廠所以呢這個工廠的情況之下他在使用勞動力的部分遇到人力短缺的部分的問題那之前有私下來跟司長跟部長做請教也跟次長呢又表達要聯合勞動部 |
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跟我們的這個環境部共同來思考在我們循環農業的情況之下以工廠設立但是實質上是在我們循環農業一部分的這個生產部門他如何獲配他所需要的勞動力那這個部分呢需要農業部在這裡面一併納入考量或甚至我們近期內是不是召開一個協會來解決這個問題可以的 財務委員我也補充一下 |
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大家一起講那個南部跟高雄其實重要的蓄產跟落農的地區長期承擔了這些所有的責任但是其實在農業部在資源的投入上或技術輔導或市場其實還存在南北落差 |
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這個還是要請部長要強力的協助啦這個不要讓南部承擔這麼大的一個重責單但是卻在資源的投入上面南部相對是弱的我覺得這一塊要請部裡面很有意思的去投入部長要很有意思的去協助好 請農業部答覆 |
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好 第一個部分就是剛才那個中間那邊委員所提到的那個八方升值的一個能源中心的部分那當時在溝通的時候您希望說這個D級不要列成D級的部分那我們查了一下這個D級大概都是電子製造業相關的那農業大概是C級但是我們可以同樣的把它變成一個農業裡面的特殊的一個行業別把它再拉出來變成C多少 |
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那這樣的話就可以來做一些處理那也包括剛才賴瑞榮委員所提到的我想我們會更積極的去處理好謝謝那第15案就遭案通過16案遭案通過17案遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理 |
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十九案到二十二案一起處理其中十九案跟二十二案 曾秉文委員改組決議那本席市二十二案這部分是不是請這個農水署做個說明還是楊全勳委員你要一起詢問現在一起簽公因為你有第二十一案十九到二十一 二十二 |
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我應該請他們先做說明主席楊委員以及各位委員農水署就簡要的說明首先就是非常感謝楊委員的指導的確過去在這幾年營建物價的上升的很快同時工資也在上升所以導致我們在112年跟113年我們當年度的預算資訊率比較低可是後來我們去深究這個原因 |
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最主要是因為我們一般傳統我們的工程機關那在編制工程預算書都是用參考這個營建物價指數可是我們後來發覺就是說這是一個落後指標因為營建物價指數他公布的時候是依據上個月的這個物價然後經過幾天工作天計算完之後才公布那麼公布這樣子以後變成說我等到我們真正要招標的時候那那個那個價格又會低於市場的價格所以會導致一直流標 |
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那這也是我們最主要會導致到當年度的預算性率會比較低不過我們後來就改取新的這個照標的策略我們就把它改成這個領先指標我們就以只要工程有標出去不管是不是我們設計官的我們只要有我們就馬上拿出來同時我們再加上上升的這個協率然後來訂定我們的這個工程預算書那因為這個方法後來就奏效了 |
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所以我們到了去年我們的這個預算執行率就大幅的提升不僅僅是把之前的保留款把它快速執行掉同時我們也當年度的預算執行率也都大幅提升到86.97%那相信我們這樣的招標策略如果再持續來用的話今年度的預算執行率一定會更高114年度 達到8086.97那113你們只到60%對對對 是 |
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那你們整個這不是通案 這不是個案問題 這是通案問題不只是說這個農水署所有的工部門在做招標的這個相關的工程都會遇到相關的問題那你們要從制度上去做調整那今年也預算又比較多現在預算到92億 將近93億是 其中土地改良物的這個比重又到八成那這個部分 |
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你能不能目標你說去年到八成那今年大概能到幾成報告主席我們有信心九成以上絕對沒問題這是你在這邊說的保證主席這個我也提一下因為農田水利這一塊地方都相當重視也相當重要 |
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之前六層進步到八層這當然很不錯但是我還是希望能夠持續來像主席講的這個至少要更高一點這個大家地方有很高的需求那也預算也都編列了但執行率卻沒有達到好不好這個請署長要九層甚至要九層以上的一個水準然後讓讓整個這個地方的農田水利事業能夠順利的推展好不好好 楊前議員 |
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部長 你身邊站的這一位是很努力他領軍的底下全國各地也都很努力那我們要討論一個實質問題就是說你113年 我之所以提出來113年我們的達成率只有五成多 |
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像現在下雨 我地方就有兩三個地方崩塌那我們馬上要趕快去 因為我們的地方不是只有你農政單位有很多還要公路救的 還要地方政府你的人把人家擼到人家公路省道 人家岸上拆掉的整個都淹水了 我們在基層都被罵死了 |
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所以我們在基層知道他們很辛苦但部長你要支持他們你說113年每一個都是人民的生命安全財產的問題這都是最重要的所以幾乎在經濟委員會這個預算幾乎沒有人敢刪過甚至都認為不足沒有敢刪又認為不足換句話說執行單位就很辛苦人員很辛苦 署長會很辛苦 |
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但是我們還是要有方法你113年你的達成率才五成多我們只有說因為物價指數漲了 什麼東西漲了你照理講你113年你就要提出我個人再提一個方案給你們當時教育部的一筆去告學只有7萬9 |
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我給工程會說 跟教育部說他本來要給他增加到12萬我說你不用增加了啦因為他實際上在市場標的價格要多少 要將近16萬所以你根本你給他加到12萬 你當作你人情很多他一樣執行單位執行不了 不用了啦我們學校也很痛苦 |
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教育局的痛苦 教育部的痛苦啊所以我跟工程會說你應該去盤查到底現階段你公平 你公開招標一坪到底多少 他自己弄回來說欸 委員真的耶 16萬左右耶還要缺工耶所以最後那時候教育部我們的工程會就訂了學校的部分一坪就以17萬去做編列 |
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你這個問題應該要在113年就提出啊剛剛我們賴委員他比較人心人數他說你114年達到八成他說很進步 |
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沒有達到100%都不算數因為這一筆預算跟其他的不一樣那都是財產市面安全的問題啦我們就不用講了啦那有錢到底部長你是長官啊長官要做什麼就是要解決你底下各部會的問題他的制度要怎麼去改 |
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就像我剛才說的工程會說12萬我是不要的你給我12萬我還一樣要撿上花包哇 你不惜基層的人我要撿哪一項 我要撿杯子還是撿筆 剪紙啊都不是啊你撿完你再來搭有的裂縫啊 誰的責任啊 理不清啊這個地檢很司法 當時很沒用的不需要去製造執行者的痛苦 |
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所以到底你114年你還缺兩成什麼原因我們要去討論115年這個預算又增加 |
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那你又增加那你要怎麼做你的制度要怎麼去調整這是我提這個案子最重要的要把這個問題凸顯出來怎麼去解決他們基層的痛苦你七萬多要給我十二萬不要 |
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因為我也標不出去 我還要檢向你去討論嘛 一坪到底真正的是多少嘛16萬多 那就訂一個17萬讓他們去充分去調整現在大家的學校都標得出去啦 |
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對不對 就是我個人語重心長的說啦因為現在公務人員 你看缺口那麼多啦有很多人不會當公務人員 以前叫做鐵混亂現在人家不要 尤其是工程單位都跑到私人企業去但是你身為部長啊 重點就是你要怎麼樣把人才留住沒有他們做 我們地方要怎麼辦 |
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老百姓的生命財產要怎麼辦所以我真的與眾心常說制度要怎麼做大家做就是制定一個公共BBA公開透明的讓大家執行率可以執行來這樣大家才有成就嘛我現在剛剛我要看手機不是在看什麼我們有兩間有個路樓樓有個到公路樓又到一個到我們的 |
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道路去了我們要趕快去搶 搶災啊 搶救啊對不對要 你要支持他們 制度怎麼設袁偉宇您的發言呢 這個令人感佩那我覺得這個也是與眾欣賞對農業部跟蔡署長做一些建議跟提醒那我跟袁偉宇都有提案因為這個部分還是有一些需要這個農水署啊來做一些比較完整的做一些1314那我們是不是現在我的是21嘛 是不是你現在知道 |
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我建議部長這也不是署長可以做的事情因為不是只有他這一署其他也一樣你要跟工程會去盤點一下到底要怎麼樣去調整 |
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制度 金額要怎麼去調啊你把那個你跟工程會去調一調的方案給本席啊我這個部分改組決議這樣子那個我是建議那個署長跟部長這部分因為92億啊那主要是希望你們能夠對後續的執行能夠再提升年數到九成那我是不是凍結五百萬一個月之內提出書面報告時的凍值啊 |
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因為我們不可能減劣啦那動500萬一個月之內提出書面報告是得動之的我們用一個決議請他把那個東西買走沒有沒有我當然已經就做這樣決定了 |
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來一個月之內提出疏忽報告實施項目來23案主決議請捐照辦理好按照這個照案通過24案捐照辦理照案通過25案捐照辦理照案通過26案捐照辦理照案通過27案捐照辦理照案通過28案捐照辦理照案通過29案捐照辦理照案通過30案捐照辦理31案有意見 |
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好 賴瑞榮的提案 請駐菲民委員好 來 其實這個賴委員的提案我之所以跟他加入的原因是因為他這裡面雖然講的是高雄但整體情況對屏東也是同樣適用那但是他這裡呢 我說有兩個修正第一個 我先說明一下 第一點尤其重要他說農經水利事業作業基金短促要提出整體財務改善及收支平衡的規劃那他在開眾民意主決議的第一句就說什麼 |
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就是說查該基金長期依賴國庫撥補支應營運部長這是實況其實目前我知道農水署很用心的要擴大灌區在我們屏東地區甚至有那樣的一個企圖心希望連原住民地區他們的一些果樹的栽培也能夠擴大灌區責備到更多的包括原住民在內的果農農民 |
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但是呢整個來講擴大灌區是一個方向但是既有原有灌區的老舊的更新跟補漏啊這也是非常重要的那長期以來呢資本投資都是不足的啦都是不足的啦那所以應該設法跟行政院未來啊 |
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未來你們這個報告就是說整體財務改善跟收支平衡規劃應該去強化整個行政院對於農業部門的資本支出投資要增加啦不是只有自來水管而已不是只有這個道路排水而已其實我們農村的灌溉這個系統 |
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涉及到我們臺灣農業是不是能夠持續永續發展這樣的一個我們的灌溉系統的很多都是超過半個世紀了所以我們一方面擴大灌區二方面既有灌區裡面要有一定的太舊的更新跟維護和補漏那這些資本支出呢都是需要需要其他人來支持所以我是建議這兩個部分一個就是在這個底下的七點決議當中呢有234有加高雄的部分加上屏東的字樣高雄及屏東 |
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那最後呢就是是不是呢也他本來只是說要求你們重視是不是也是我們參照主席剛剛那個提案一個月提出一個報告把這個主角加上一個提出個報告那報告內容我希望說你們要展現出農業部要爭取向行政院增加對我們這個基金的投入不能是只有才你看才9億多這個億數不夠要更大好那你們提出來我們會支持謝謝謝謝問委員 |
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就是農水路的部分其實有時候也涉及到跨部會的這個部分那當然就是除了灌區以外那重要的這些這個河川那也跟就是農氣就是修氣的這個設施或者像自行車道或者等等 |
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那未來這個部分是不是能夠更彈性的利用那能夠讓跨部會的這個都可以結合因為畢竟就是農業觀光也是整個農業的一個非常重要的一環以目前的這個未來發展的趨勢 |
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那是不是就這個部分也提出相關的就是說明那讓大家知道說未來就是說農業部跟農水農水署這邊怎麼樣子就這個部分能夠就是提高就是與 |
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農業觀光以及相關的產業的就是跨部會的這個整合的部分那個謝鋒委員跟中央委員你們剛剛所提的意見是不是併入這個主決31案就請農業部啊就你們兩位所提出的建議啊在一個月之內加上那類人為原本提案的這七項要求啊一個月之內提出書面報告是可以這個不是凍結這個是提出書面報告而已好 |
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我們就31案再修正文字通過我們繼續處理這個農特收入基金這屬於農業發展基金重規室的部分我們先處理32案到33案32案這個本席改成主協議那陳廷輝委員陳廷輝委員如果 |
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你有沒有特別意見沒有沒有特別意見 我一樣是不是改成主決議好 陳立法委員改成主決議32案、33案都改成主決議34案到37案一併處理其中37案賴樂榮提案改成主決議36案邱志偉改成主決議 |
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那另外34跟35是陳婷筠委員跟楊瓊玉委員兩位委員有沒有要詢問好 楊瓊玉委員謝謝各位楊瓊玉法院在本期所提的35案2030年是我們自己設定的國內化學肥料減半政策對不對 部長2030年但是我們看到你這個預算是超標 |
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比你預計的比你預計的你還這個超致病決算的時候他的金額是龐大的換句話說是增加的那為什麼那我們既然我們的目的化學肥料我們一直希望能夠給他減少那如果你的金額每一年再增加那你會達到2030年這個嗎這第一個第二個 |
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使用者烘邊 我如果烘邊越方便 他不想去改有機的這樣方式會不會影響到種植觀念的這個問題 本席要請教 |
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第一個部分就是熱清費增加一個部分就是因為我們對肥料的價格的穩定我們採取一致性的凍結都是由國庫來撥補那價格增加最主要是我們減少化學肥料用量增加了有機肥料的用量 |
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那有機肥通常是比化學肥料還要價格是還要高的部分所以這樣一掃一進的時候就會增加這個預算那增加這個預算還是政府來做一個相關的一個吸收啦所以這個部分我想也是朝向我們委員所建議的就是說我們要減少化學肥料的一個用量 |
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然後但是不能完全不用肥我們就增加了有機肥料的一個用量跟他的一個協助的一個方式第二個部分就是我們現在也跟台肥已經開始他開始在大概明年1月就會就會推出來了就是改成小包裝的部分因為40公斤我問一下你說嘛40公斤 |
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所以現在改成25公斤的這個方式來國際的一個相關的一個標準的方式我們大概明年預計明年初就會推出 |
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不打你的回答沒有針對本席的提問第一個也就是我在意的是我們看到數字會講話當然你現在解釋說有經費的價格比較高所以我們一增一減你的這個超支並決算才會暴增但是我們不知道你所謂的一增一減 |
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到底化學肥料的用量有沒有在減少我要看的是這個用量的數字第一個第二個我讚許因為我們討論過幾次40公斤一包配料跟20公斤一包配料甚至是不是還可以再小我不知道但是問題是小包裝的浪費一定會比較少 |
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40公斤 一定農委會比20公斤農委會的40公斤一定比較多那這個是無形中的一個浪費也會影響到我們整個這個環境的因素所以我一直建議同時農民因為年邁了多數比較多肥他根本40公斤他要怎麼放 不可能嘛所以現在改為20公斤我暫許 |
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25公斤那25公斤有沒有可能再減少不知道你也可以把這個議題給台肥他們去研議我們的目的使用者方便第二個重點不要讓他浪費才不會有二度的汙染所以化學肥料的部分到底每一年有沒有在遞減因為2030年我們的目標一定要達成請說 |
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跟委員報告那我們發水肥料的話大概從100萬公噸減到大概70幾萬公噸所以有在減少那在有機肥的部分我們其實有很多的天然災害包括從原來比如說補助1公頃3萬塊也提高到6萬塊所以那個補助的量也都在增加就是為了把化肥減少下來那至於包裝的部分 |
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我們會再跟台北講因為我們初步溝通台北要構置新的機器要改小包裝因為看到人力的問題還有老人化的問題所以那一塊我們可能要再跟台北講因為公司在包裝的時候是不是可以再往下修正我們再來跟台北公司討論 |
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主席我再回憶一下謝謝就是剛剛所說的部長我講說我們農政單位人都很過意剛剛北市第一次提問的時候你們就應當要回答化學用料我100公噸我現在已經減到這個70幾萬公噸了那這個是在減少的那人家聽起來就很清楚你要把你努力所得的成果要告訴給社會大眾這是第一個 |
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第二個我再舉一個例你看現在連我們大安飛天豬那個肉鬆啊以前肉鬆都是半斤一開始是一斤一個包裝一個罐子現在改半斤一個罐子現在還改到100公克這個一個罐子現在還改到什麼一人份的一小包的打開就一人份的你吃一碗稀飯吃一碗飯就是一人份的這樣子 |
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第一個不會浪費第二個很方便它的銷售量會高你600公克一罐一個罐子常常吃到尾對炒到外面它要丟掉很浪費而且影響環境所以我還是很建議就是說趕快再跟台北去討論你那個包裝可以再怎麼樣你再可以再縮小 |
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因為你越小越不會浪費啦 這是我們要的目標嘛好 那這個35萬我們經過充分討論 單位也在努力 所以我就改為主決議 謝謝好 謝謝楊瓊玉委員 第35萬改成主決議 那曾經委員因為這個談到廢料啦 我想問我啦 我也有講 我剛也有講不好意思 不好意思 那個建議問我一件 |
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不好意思我想要請問一下部長就是這個中東投入我們那時候說到就是相關國內的這個肥料的這個備量那你是不是應該再說明一下因為已經過了三個月了你那時候說好像是六個月到九個月嗎那現在已經 |
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曾經的委員你先詢問之後再請農業部答覆 |
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謝謝主席 部長我們現在流收大企業我們現在好像有補助那現在的問題是說我們之前辦公室有跟你們反映就是說農會的部分是由台肥先電因為就是說你要補助可是店家就要叫店家自己先點 |
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這個就會有一個落差了甚至你們就統一跟台北談因為這個有時候KID你們不聽這個部分是你們直接可以做這樣的一個整體處理的 |
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但是你說農會由台肥先電然後呢 店家就要他們自己先電這就很奇怪了這是不是可以處理一下我們辦公室已經跟你們溝通過了這部分是不是處理一下 好不好謝謝 |
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我先回答謝委員的一個問題中東的一個戰事的一個問題那行政院每個禮拜一早上九點都由院長親自召開整個中東情勢的這些各項的的資材的穩定措施那肥料一定是做裡面報告的第一個部分 |
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第二個部分就是從現在中央戰事來看尿素是漲得最高的磷肥跟甲肥漲得比較少一點那尿素裡面本身這兩個禮拜來開始比較漲幅往下了啦比較平穩的部分那整體的漲幅就是由我們農業部就是我們的肥料的價格是穩定的就是不變那這個價格是由政府跟台肥共同來吸收 |
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那第三個部分就是整個肥料的供應的部分在上次報告的時候是到8月到9月的時候現在已經是到明年的1月或2月看不同的肥料 蛋肥有分為尿素跟瘤胺的部分然後還有甲肥跟然後持續到2月或3月的部分所以你們的存量是到明年的1月到2月的部分 對包括已經在海上的他們算的時候已經出海了就沒什麼問題了 |
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因為這個必須要給農民知道,不然他們會...這個每個禮拜我想我們都有對外說明,謝謝然後至於說陳委員所提到的這些費用的部分我想我們會後會立即跟我們台肥這邊來看怎麼樣做有效的處理不要讓農會做電的這種東西負擔太高或怎麼樣 |
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農會的部分台北有先處理有先處理 可是店家現在是說一般店家 你說商家啦商家 對對對 商家這個部分你可以先點而且那個價格是已經有一定的幅度了 |
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我們一個原則就是說你有實名制的我們都可以來處理如果沒有實名制因為商家也有人不喜歡用實名制當然一定有實名制所以這個我想會合我請農家署去了解就是商家有實名制的話我們看怎麼處理我們就會來處理我們當然是會實名制啦好 謝謝那那個陳建復委員是不是我們這一案大家都改成組決議您的34案是不是也一併改成組決議 |
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我們34案到37案就改為組決議38案以曾經委員提案 |
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因為這個是屬於調節的部分我是可以拜託就是說可以把所有的產銷調節計畫就你們這段時間所做的可以送一份到我辦公室就是說我把它就是改為凍結300萬然後我們的資料過來之後就是書面報告時的凍資好不好 好 謝謝38案凍結300萬一個月之內好不好 |
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一個月之內提出書面報告是有實的動之好繼續處理零務發展及照理來 梁學圍不然我補充一下部長我們就預算我尊重主席的裁決就是說關稅雖然美國關稅他已經公佈部分陸續也會再不知道會不會增加啦不知道項目 |
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那我們農業部應該也要去做部署因為我們的農民你一時間要蓋不簡單是包括了土壤還有他的水質他的氣候沒那麼簡單就當當時我們獲利金香葡萄金香葡萄來南投給小酒葡萄酒一時間說金香葡萄南投就這樣不收了 |
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我們國內就產生這樣不收了那怎麼辦那政府也謝謝政府幫忙輔導那時候農委會他幫我們輔導說你來種那個火鶴花種那個滿天新那一時間要叫他改很困難他必須要學習還有我們的地理環境等等適不適當 |
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所以我們預估國內未來我實在不忍心講說近來最近一定會碰到但是我們政府就是這個責任很重要你必須要超前去部署 |
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你們比農民更清楚內容嘛那你不能給他蓋著不講到時候要翻開叫他一時間去蓋什麼他煮不來啊他的生活怎麼辦農民有一個傲氣跟光榮我不是只有要得到補助我希望我要有釣竿 |
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中國的政策沒辦法 我要配合你 但是你要怎麼協助我我覺得這個很重要 我具體建議部長去盤點 國內22個縣市裡頭的土壤區塊什麼樣的可以種 它的產值可以的 你們必須要去盤點這是我充分建議謝謝 謝謝這個楊學文的建議 好那我們就 |
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繼續處理這個林務發展及造林基金是林保署的部分好 我們39案到40案一併處理其中41案賴若龍改成主決議 40案邱志祐改成主決議另外還有39案陳亭飛 40案李玉璃兩位委員陳亭飛委員之後 鍾嘉斌委員 |
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我想39案的部分因為我希望說了解我們目前在整個森林遊樂及林業鐵路經營的一個計畫所以我希望說凍結500萬然後書面報告使得你們現在在整個 |
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我們相關的一些經營的方法跟方式然後書面報告然後我們就可以動之就一個月因為這你們都有了就一個月不用三個月就一個月你們提來我們就使得動之好不好好 國家病委員之後 李議員 |
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我是連署這個主席的C40案還有賴委員的41案兩案內容都是要談到森林遊樂區談到騰資那這個提案我尊重兩位提案委員就是改為主決議但是我希望在書面報告的內容應該包含什麼呢現在我們這個騰資森林 |
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遊樂區你只要用問AI問茂林風景區跟藤枝森林遊樂區有什麼不一樣他會說其實它兩個是在同一個旅遊路線上只是各自的主管機關跟成立的宗旨並不相同這就有趣了 |
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因為本週一才去參加交通委員的考察就是去看貿管處那到了貿管處他所主管的貿管處是跨高屏兩地區高雄三個區屏東三個鄉那騰芝是完全是在高雄但是事實上遊客他不會管你說我現在是在高雄的騰芝和你去玩還是跑到貿管 |
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處的屏東的這個風景區去玩所以我希望這個主決議的內容的專案報告是不是請強化我們林保署和觀光署在我們的森林遊樂區跟鄰近的風景區管理處他們的活動的整合行銷而且其中只班諜他才不會管你說那是林保署的還是我們觀光署的 |
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紫斑蝶飛來飛去都是我們高屏地區豐富的觀光資源也是我們的森林保育的一個重要資產所以像紫斑蝶這個事情來講遊客來看他不會說我只去騰芝我就不去茂館出了他到了茂館出他說我只到高雄我不會到屏東都是在一起的所以我們希望強化兩個部門當中在同樣的觀光資源跟森林保護資源的共同整合行銷跟保育是不是加上這個內容好不好謝謝 |
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我這項的提案最重要是針對我們森林娛樂設施的大家這項費用是在這邊可是我們看到我們整個森林娛樂設施的建置跟資源各方面預算都變給你們了但是你看到營運的情況真的是很慘淡 |
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你113年的人數一直下滑從389萬下滑到324萬那將近有一半的森林遊樂區的地方都是虧損的情形 |
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那經費給你的那你們整個營運的方式有沒有辦法創新一點或者是說在整個風險的管理啊或者是你看整個資源的配置有什麼加強的部分要不然你就人數越來越少去參觀去到我們森林遊樂區的使用的人數一直下滑一直降低那我們經費又一直給你們那這方面你們是不是可以有精進的一個做法還是先給我們一個說明好不好 |
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那我這邊先凍結 因為這項預算很高啊我先凍結2000萬好 那那個蔡理委員我有連署齁 這個包括我們召委的一個提案那我在想齁 因為我們森林遊樂區在嘉義是阿里山有森林遊樂區那這裡也有臨鐵的一些部署 基本上 |
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這幾年經營的很好了以森林遊樂區那以及阿里山這個森林鐵路那大概他從這一個福生號這一些火車是帶動很大的觀光但是我想除了整個大阿里山區除了森林遊樂區他還有所謂鄒族的一個部落的地區那很明顯的鄒族的部落在這一塊 |
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他可能是在於說他的交通相對比較不方便因為他變成說他的小巴士沒有辦法進去所以要去部落的話目前都還是要出於自己的自駕車才有辦法進去到部落所以他對整個大阿里山區的觀光的發展他基本上還是一個有侷限的地方那我想這部分是不是林保署那甚至可以跟其他單位 |
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來整合一下看怎麼把整個大阿里山區包括森林遊樂區以及相關的原住民的一個部落都可以做一個整體性的一個發展那我想這部分是不是可以再來再研究一下 |
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我想綜合這個宗教並委員的建議還有這個蔡議員的建議是不是並論我們的主決議我跟賴瑞榮的主決議特別是宗教並委員所提到要強化這個茂林跟這個藤枝森林遊樂區的這個行銷另外蔡議員所提到的這個阿里山 |
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阿里山生田的行銷還有這個鄒族部落行銷那個蔡委員我這樣也都沒有錯啦齁那請這個部分也併入我們主決議裡面再也提出相關的這個這個報告跟說明啦齁那預算處理部分那個 呃 林議員因為這個沒有我我 |
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請農業部詳細說明 |
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好 謝謝委員的指教我們森林遊樂區其實在過去這幾年提升了非常多的軟硬體那基本上如果沒有太大的這個天災遊客人數是穩定上升113年我不知道大家記不記得113年就是花蓮0403的大地震 |
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但那一次的影響不只是在東部地區連西部地區也有受到影響我們在災後的兩個月連我們自己都呼籲大家不要到山林去走因為另外道路會崩塌可能會有落石所以在那一年的這個影響還有後來那年的下半年也有三個蠻大型的這個颱風所以比如說使得我們的澳大森林樂區也重創 |
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今年初我們才剛整修完開園所以2013年它是一個很特殊的年份那其實在2014年我們的遊客人數就又比2013年又再逐步增加又再增加了20幾萬好那2014年其實也有幾個颱風那今年的話如果沒有太大型的這些天災的話我相信我們的這個遊客人數可以大幅的這個增加以上跟委員說明 |
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我們來處理這個部分我們大概都達成要部分凍結那我是肯定委員是不是凍結的額度不要那麼的高是不是稍微我認為主席建議是不是凍結三百萬五百萬好那個陳建發委員可以嗎好楊卓銘委員對一個月來謝煌委員那蔡議員 |
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中央辯護委員好那39到42這個營運發展及噪音機器部分我們凍結500萬一個月之內提出書面報告之後使得動之 |
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好 我們繼續處理農產品受禁國損害救濟基金這是國際私的業務 來先處理第43案 關於調整產業或防治防患措施計畫養豬產業特性高效質價值及進展立法計畫請陳委員 |
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謝謝主席因為我們現在養豬產業的那個韌性是我們現在非常強調的就是說我們要怎麼讓它可以轉型所以這個部分我把它改成凍結凍結500萬我希望說要書面報告比較你們過去在這一年來所做的一個部分 |
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比較詳細給我這個43案的部分然後我再補充一下跟部長說我的46案我也是凍結500萬因為那個韌性防災我想我已經很多次都跟部長討論過這個韌性防災太重要也拜託把詳細的你們所做的規劃跟計劃那給我書面報告那死的凍死後我兩個一起講 謝謝 |
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這樣你就自然處理了 |
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43案我想希望在雖然沒有嚴署到陳委員的提案那主要我是希望說是有一個主決議要求一個書面報告內容是針對剛剛委員提案的部分你看他幾點他有強調精準飼養循環減碳堅韌永續有六項第一個是提高飼料安全然後第二點第三點第四點源頭節水減肺擴大資源化再利用還有第五點第六點 |
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我希望能加上第七點就是目前我們為了強化這個我們國內的生產農業生產韌性那有推出了循環原料飼料這樣新的辦法那這個新的辦法包括植物性殘渣動物性殘渣都可以在農產品加工過程當中能夠進入循環使用 |
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所以我希望加入第七點就是加速循環原料飼料的開發應用並完善相關法規我再講一次就是希望加上第七點就是陳庭文委員的後面第五點第六點第二大項的後面那一段他還寫了六點我想加上第七點加速循環原料飼料的開發應用 |
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並完善相關法規我們知道目前在國內的養豬產業當中我們都長期依賴進口的黃小玉那這對我們農業生產的韌性是有風險的所以如果對我們國內既有的糧食生產在加工的部分能夠將植物性殘渣跟動物性殘渣導入我們現在農業部薰木司現在推動的這個叫做循環原料飼料過去我們的飼料當中並沒有這個所謂的循環原料飼料 |
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那我們加入了循環原料飼料之後呢就能夠促進這個循環經濟農業循環的再生產這非常好的那本體是希望說我是傾向說不要動啦如果是主決意的話呢提出書面報告但是要加上這第七點的說明以上好謝謝宗教秘聞我想這部分就按照宗教秘聞的這個意見在陳鐵輝委員提案的說明二的部分增加第七點 |
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提醒大家我想這個加速循環原料飼料者退發應用並完善相關法規我們就加入第七項那我們凍結這個各位委員呢因為剛剛陳立委員他說要凍五百我們是不是就不要凍那麼多啦我們凍兩百萬然後這個一個月之內提出訴訟報告時的凍制好 |
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那這個第44案跟45案兩位委員都不在我們就預算照列還有楊委員 |
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主席 針對於我們農產品受損那個進口的這個受損救助基金的這個部分我沒有提案因為我知道有困難但是我們的基金的運用也沒有很多那有編列沒有很多以往我們當然不希望有碰到這樣的問題但是現在非常小可因為是全球性了 |
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所以在關稅大調整的一個全球性的現象市場我個人認為我們在協助農民在多元國家現在世界五大洲所有的商業 |
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生產業到世界五大洲去佈局甚至印度啊 也許東南亞 台北啊全部我們的台商是嫩性之強只要哪裡有機會有錢他就去那因此像我們出國看到我們的鳳梨是世界一級棒的看到我們的火龍果到日本一顆火龍果可以賣到八九百塊 |
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所以极品的这个部分所以台湾的农产是世界一流但是当世界一流的时候如果万一碰到那我认为我们的农业部应该要比现在更多元地区国家的一个部署所以我要一个资料也就是目前你辅导我们的农产品不管续产等你怎么样去应对在几个国家那未来 |
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也不是未來就現在我們馬上所面臨到的我覺得有一個邏輯蠻可以作為指引的台商在哪裡就是我們的農產品在哪裡那個效果會非常的好所以我希望要一個資料目前你所規劃的國家進行式 IMG進行式的國家那現在你繼續要怎麼樣部署這些國家你順便資料給我 好嗎 |
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這個部分剛剛楊學文所詢問就是要提供相關資料給楊學文委員所以44案45案我們就照列好我們來處理農村再生基金縱規4的部分好46 47 48一併處理在場委員李玉玲委員有提案還有李玉玲委員之後鍾嘉斌委員 |
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我們這項經費的話是要來推廣我們農民建置高強度的溫網式的設備來導入智慧環境控制跟防災減災的這個系統所以在這個執行率上應該是會更加積極的來完成但是我們看到你在112跟113年的執行率42% 72%你們執行上有什麼困難是不是 |
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那要不然農民的話都非常需要就像的溫室的這些設施在給他們一個補助那但是你們執行率這麼差那沒有辦法說在施工的排成或者是說這個風險的管控沒有辦法積極的跟他們協助嗎因為現在颱風都是風很大然後又豪大雨他們非常需要這種設施為什麼你們執行率這麼差請你們先說明等一下那個請中間委員之後再請農業部總和說明 |
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目前46案跟47案呂委員的提案跟陳委員的提案都有提到強固型溫網事實上在我們的主決議當中從74案、75案、76案本席有連署其中的74案跟76案74案是邱委員就是主席還有76案是賴委員的 |
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它其實本意都是一樣就是要推動強固型溫網那我是傾向說如果能夠用組決議提出專案報告的話那希望能夠再加入這些內容那我把我的內容訴求講一下就是我們委員這些提案都強調要提高強固型溫網的比例那因為目前的補助措施農民在採用強固型溫網的意願上還可以再加強 |
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因為過去我們都知道農民因為比較資金有限所以這些溫廣設施其實要知道台灣因為有很多的天然災的考驗我們為了農業要精緻化經營一定要走向設施農業可是設施農業的設施的投資的資本支出很龐大的都不是農民可以支出的農民如果說要去做這個設施往往要拿土地去貸款 |
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那我們都知道啦像農民現在能貸款的很有限嘛那我知道目前農信保的那個賴昆城賴董事長很支持我們所以在去年南部的風災之後呢他也去災區看了我想部長也非常熟悉那時候我就跟兩邊都提出了說為什麼我們如果農民採用強固型溫網的話 |
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多數比較能夠度過這個天災的考驗如果是一般型的大概颱風一來就燒掉了你可能剛做好沒多久都還沒有回本就被掃掉了那造成農民的資金調度上陷入困境所以那時候我就提出了一個叫做以租代鑒也就是說我們盡量鼓勵投資興建強固型可以耐得起颱風考驗的強固型溫網 |
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但是呢不是由農民去借錢來做而是呢由專業業者他出資來興建但是呢用出租給農民的方式那這當中這個資金的調度呢可以透過像農信保像金融體系像我們農業金庫來協助是不是可以把這個以租代賤的部分以及提高強固型溫網的比重這些意思放到我們的主決議當中以上建議 |
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我先跟委員說明就是這位農業裡面的一些溫室的部分其實112年的下半年杜樹瑞颱風、康濠颱風跟海龜颱風三個颱風然後113年的時候從那個楷米颱風、山陀颱風跟那個還有一個颱風叫做康瑞 楷米 |
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三坨跟康瑞台風 三個台風都是33所以台風一來的時候造成 |
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農民本身興建的時候又開始搶工有沒有所以變成一個循環包括去年度更嚴重去年度114年度的時候更多的溫室現在還在排隊所以我想我們基本上會先核定了以後那後面會等到興建完了以後再核銷所以這個部分的質詢本身是已經處理了只是他還沒有來核銷的部分啊第二個部分就是剛才那個 |
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委員所提到的以豬待劍的部分那我們也跟溫室的相關的協會討論過他們給我一個回答就是等這一批他的溫室全部處理完了以後他們才有精力來來做這件事情啦他們也認同就是說如果我們我們可以提供一些農業金融的 |
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的融資的部分讓他們做先做興建然後租給農民他可以做一個有效的媒合他們願意朝這個方向來做但是現在因為他們的工班在處理現在災區的部分的溫室就已經來不及了請那個謝鳳仁再次提問 |
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雖然說現在講的是颱風可是我們也知道極端氣候對於這些果樹的影響也非常的嚴峻所以像我們這些葡萄什麼都有可能是早熟或者是晚熟這都會影響到它的那個情況 |
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那所以是不是就這個部分也一併的納入就是說相關的這個補助辦法因為其實對於現在新型態的這個就是說氣候的因素也非常多那是不是除了傳統的就是說風災以外對於這樣子的一個氣候的變化也納入這個科技防災的相關的溫室補助好不好 |
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我想謝謝委員的關心這個部分其實我們有考慮而且已經納入像您講的葡萄的它願意做設施而且設施的種類應該有6加3種它從比較沒有那麼強固最強固的一直到一般的文設施的部分所以不同的作物可以選擇不同的相關的這些設施的型態那這個部分我想我們已經有公告了所以後續我想我們會讓更多的這些 |
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這些特別是果樹啦 果樹有時候木瓜現在木瓜在南部用傳統的往事跟我們高強度的往事那個對天災對強風的抗風性拉得很高所以現在慢慢的因為有天災的一個經驗所以慢慢的就有人願意來往比較強固的這些往事去做李營武委員再詢問之後我們就來處理 |
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部長你剛剛講說因為天氣颱風啊很多的溫室都被他們摧毀了那你需要那個施工跟排成對不對那所以你要趕快找更多的人去來跟他們施工啊才能夠保護到我們農作物不會被豪大雨衝壞掉嘛那為什麼說這質詢力會不好呢應該是要更積極更快速的把這個溫室把它做起來啊 |
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你颱風過的話沒有趕快做下一個颱風又來了是不是這樣子所以你這個有問題啦這個執行力有問題啦你趕快找其他工啊要排工啊 派工啊都要做到更積極一點好不好再這一點我是積極的鼓勵他們趕快多找一些工人來做不要說慢慢排隊慢慢排隊颱風是不等人的 |
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我跟委員報告一下 溫室一定是專業工而且我不希望像過去有些地區是用大體檔的來做溫室這幾年的颱風的考驗都到了所以我一直堅持著說一定要用專業的合法的這樣子的一個設施的工程公司來做它是一個專業工 多找幾家嘛 |
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沒有 現在能做的都會好 謝謝委員 我想我們再鼓勵有更多的這些溫室工程公司能夠有一些什麼樣的一個協助對 我說一家拍不出功勞 我們就找兩家三家謝謝 我想我們會我們會來 才能夠風險管控好 我們會很努力好 那我們是不是改主決議是嗎 |
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好 那個李玲委員事項改組決議那這個46-47是不是就改成組決議剛剛陳立委員是有說要動500萬那我是不是著動啊 |
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一百萬把所有 凍結一百萬那把剛剛所有委員詢問的事項把它列入這個一個月之內提出這個專案報告列入委員剛剛所推行的事項書面報告 書面報告 書面報告一個月之內提出書面報告綜合委員所其他所推行的事項一個月之後提出書面報告時的動之另外那個中間秘聞所提出的以朱代鑒 |
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這個部分是不是可以納入本席的主決議裡面呢在73案的主決議把這個主決議內容要求提出報告的內容加入如果強化這個已租代鑒的部分好像是74案74案這74案部分再加入這個中央兵委員所隨行的這個已租代鑒要怎麼去落實執行好 |
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謝謝 那我們農村財經基金我們就凍結100萬提出書面報告 一個月之內提出書面報告 指責凍結好 處理組決議19案 均照辦理 財安通過50案 均照辦理 財安通過51案 均照辦理 財安通過50案 均照辦理 財安通過54案 均照辦理 |
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遭案通過五十五案 遵照辦理遭案通過五十六案 遵照辦理遭案通過五十七案 遵照辦理遭案通過五十八案 遵照辦理遭案通過五十九案 遵照辦理遭案通過六十案 遵照辦理主席主席那個剛剛在看你那個是不是停一下停一下52案可不可以加個東西啊內容我同意啦就是你說52案陳廷飛的對對對因為我剛剛要說要補充一些內容可以嗎好抱歉抱歉因為剛剛念得很快好 |
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好 那這個謝謝主席啦因為這個52案 陳委員的提案當中呢他是強調到這個農業發展基金當中的辦理保險的部分他在主決問有提到豬隻保險、乳牛保險、家禽、禽流感保險、農產業保險、漁產業保險 |
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但是在第二段當中他特別有提到最後一段第二段的最後第二行農業設施覆蓋率的這個部分其實剛剛部長在說到的加固型的溫網就是剛購的溫網式其實我們農業部是有跟保險公司有推出保單其實農業設施如果投資昂貴他是一定要投產業保險 |
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那財務保險才能夠讓這樣的投資不會因為風災而血本無歸所以我是說是不是可以在組決定當中特別去強調也積極的去推動相關農業設施的保險的保單開發跟宣導好不好農業設施的保險保單的開發以及必要的宣導讓農民 |
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他好不容易投資那麼大的設備去做這些強固型的溫網尤其是剛購的那這個呢如果能夠加上產物保險的保障就能夠讓他減少風險的一個發生謝謝部長有沒有問題部長有沒有問題 |
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可以我剛才只是在詢問強固型的我們政府有補助的話一定要強制保險那其他的部分我想我們會來開發更多人的保單然後做宣導可以納入組決議這個52項52案的組決議加入剛剛這個中加病毒所建議的內容我們按照修正文字通過好我們剛剛是唸到60是這樣通過嗎 |
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61案有做文字修正那委員已經簽名好我們就按照修正文字通過62案遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理68案我們希望修正文字但是委員並沒有 |
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張教育委員提案是不是在倒數第三行 |
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我們來念好就是有關於組決議的部分倒數第三行從將現行每公頃三萬五千元之轉做獎勵金提高三倍至十萬五千元這個把它劃掉然後改成在兼顧在兼顧農民合理收益的同時透過政策引導與提供充分資源讓後面就接著 |
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好來那個楊俊文議員我可以補連署齁我要發言可以嗎 |
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部長如果說花生這個事情就是我們剛開始我講的除了我們要多元國家怎麼去輔導出口再來就是說在國內裡頭哪幾種這個農產可以在哪什麼區塊什麼樣的土壤什麼樣的水質氣候可以花生的部分是台灣最基本的產業你說花生的部分你要大量 |
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萬一它真的衝擊大而且一定衝擊大嘛你也認定它這個是衝擊的農業項目之一嘛那如果說它已經認定是衝擊之一然後要要去轉做的時候它是有困難的以目前台灣的區塊土壤等它是有困難的所以唯一的最基本的沒有 |
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最基本的也就是說你沒有治本你至少要治標那這個治標如果依照你寫的文字沒有人會同意的啊因為假設我們還不知道花生是有衝擊的已經有衝擊你不可能只有像你寫的這個文字這個文字絕對得不到花生農的一個認可 |
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我相信你也是最支持花生農那你如果依照你的文字在兼顧農民合理收益的同時透過政策引導與提供充分資源讓農民因應強大這個國產的通路那我請問你的內容是什麼 |
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張家俊委員把實際的數字拋出來你們應該要有應對方案而不是這玩文字遊戲這樣子我不同意主委這邊請講一下張家俊委員一天你們有跟張家俊委員溝通嗎 |
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他很堅持是吧他不溝通啊這個部分是因為按照他的原提案的文字他是實際上把3萬5把它提高3倍到10萬5啦這會牽涉到這個增加這個行政部門預算的問題啊例如說立法院的決議不能增加行政部門的預算所以你如果要去做相關的獎勵金提高 |
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這都要補這個基金有什麼就要增加那你歡迎不可以做作為增加預算的決議啦所以你去探討你去探討不要說是但是這個部分我們也不即便是基金也不能增加預算的決議啦這部分請請我是這樣修正大家參考一下將現行的獎金是否可以適度提高啊 |
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那這個請農業部啊一個月之內提出書面報告了是否能夠適度提高提出一個月提出書面報告了如果你提出書面報告再不滿意那我們再要求其他的這個處理嘛 |
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想要聽聽農產農業部你的說法因為這不是我們在我再次強調你已經認定花生是受損的項目那民眾已經受損到現在已經拖了好幾個月到底你農業部要怎麼做 |
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你要告訴我們啊這才是我們要聽的啊是我跟委員報告第一點就是現在目前進口的花生的配額跟關稅是完全還是照原來的部分但是我們已經有一些準備那我們會改成這個文字再加上剛才趙薇講的就是就現行的每公頃3萬5千人的轉座去研議是否做適度的調整這個我們可以接受但是相對的整個政策的引導 |
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我們特別強調我們一定是維持農民的合理的利潤做政策的引導但是不能在整個組決議裡面直接明定了這樣子的一個轉座的價格我舉個例子像去年的糧食產業升級後來我們把轉座的部分都同時提高了一萬塊那個是根據我們的整個的一個評估跟後面的經費的了解以後再去做處理的 |
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而不能沒有辦法這樣子去處理因為你如果拉到三倍的話那其他的轉座作物要怎麼辦我們考量的不是只有這個作物還有整體的橫平性的部分所以我建議是不是可以照剛才主席講的就是我們要加一個就是就現行的轉座的獎勵金去研議是否有提高的一個可能性跟評估這樣子好來姚學文是不是這樣因為這個可以喔請 |
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我絕對不贊成我們把文字改為是否提高是否兩個字我絕對否決因為我們剛剛從頭討論到現在都知道花生農是一定務必會受損 |
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如果知道 農民知道 行政部門都知道我們在經濟委員會再通過一個的組決議是否提高這個對不起農民 也對不起知道事情受損農民的農業部 行政部門所以我絕對不同意文字改為是否提高 這絕對不同意 |
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你本來就是一定知道問題啊我們用演繹提高這樣子你知道問題啊 你再說是否不是打臉嗎那個 楊卿衛是不是演繹提高啦不是說是否 演繹提高啦那個主席是這樣子啦對不起喔 可以發言喔那個張家俊委員到門口了啦我是覺得是不是因為他 我們都是經濟委員會嘛他如果不是經濟委員會就對了是不是等一會兒他就馬上到了 |
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大家都很忙 因為過去我做教育提案委員沒在 我這個就跳過了提案委員沒在我就跳過沒有啦 以我過去主持的方式 提案委員不在我這個案子就沒有了 就直接跳過因為我尊重所有人的提案你提案都應該要在現場來說明對啦 門口還沒看到啊有有有 開門了 |
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不要說是佛啦你自己知道要點點話就要說是佛我們嚴義嘛因為大家都經濟文貴嘛我左判右判左判右判 照進來照進來照進來趕快趕快討論點多久啊這幾天討論點多久 |
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你按那個張委員你還沒要不要你修正文字有做一些調整啦我也增加就是說也你增加啦也你增加啦一個月提出書面報告啦 |
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基本上我還是想要呼籲農業部就是說這些花生農現在價格是已經開始下跌了然後大舉的要進口這些美國花生我們因應的方式到底是什麼那這個是我幫我們花生農想出來的方法就是說美國的成本只有我們的三分之一那我們如果要能夠在一個 |
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起跑點 公平的起跑點 那我們的轉座就一定要金額一定要提高啊 現行每公頃三萬五那如果我們要能夠跟美國花生站在同一個起跑線上我們至少也要提高三倍吧那我覺得花生的轉座金額提高到十萬五千元一點都不過分 |
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因為你看其他的一些高經濟作物其實它的轉做金額也有7萬也有8萬也有9萬的那為什麼花生不可以呢我現在是說當然我也尊重農業部現在已經要提出說協助怎麼樣產業的這個產地標示但是這個部分呢我 |
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我們這邊也在努力要修實管法就是說要產地標示一定要寫上去可是這個修法還在一個過程當中你要及時的去幫助這些農民我覺得提高轉作金額是有其必要的 |
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我想我們經營委員會的委員對於農民的用心照顧是都一樣的因為對於我們今天是預算審議剛剛我們預算審議的部分不是山就是洞應該是沒有山大概都是洞而已表示我們對於農業部門的預算都是相當的支持 |
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那至於說我們有沒有辦法再加碼其實在目前我們的體制上是沒有辦法進行加碼那這個組決議的內容我是傾向說是不是以延益的方式來進行但是具體金額如果表達出來的話就會抵觸到我們不能為預算增加支出之決議所以我是覺得是不是本案現行的三萬五千的轉做獎勵金實屬偏低允於延益提高用這樣的文字方式來表達 |
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那表達我們委員對農民的支持但是也沒有去過度擴張我們預算審議上我們不得為增加支出是決議的這樣的一個基本限制 以上建議好 因為這個組決議已經提案 已經討論很久了那政經事務委員講完之後我們就再來處理 |
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有關這個部分的這個這種主決議事實上在立法院是常見的希望能夠要求增加並不是我們把預算書直接增加不是所以不是預算法裡面的把這個手邊內的預算直接增加那是不行的但是這個是主決議了 |
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是主決議所以並沒有什麼違反法律的問題所以這個部分所以這個很常見如果我們去翻立法院歷年來的那個都有因為我那念太快了我在左判右判判到張家俊來讓他充分表達 |
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我剛剛討論很多大概也表達我跟楊瓊瑩委員跟中央委員大概有一個大概的方向就是說原理提高這是他的共識提高但是你要提高一定的金額他是不是能可以做到這一點另外剛剛中委員提到的不能作為預算增加之決議所以我們不要把是否是否就是說他可能不要 |
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把是否把它拿掉原理在現有每公頃三萬五千元轉做獎勵金我們原理提高以來提供充分資源讓民眾因應原理提高這樣好了不要說是否啦原理提高一定要往上 |
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反對 反對 原理怎麼樣 再專利一下原理提高啦提供充分資源讓農民因應並強化國產通路啦那我們是不是可以調整一下文字 比較清楚好不好意思一樣 原理提高跟因為這個花生什麼什麼產業將受影響之花生產業為照顧農民 |
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必要提高等等什麼的請研議這樣會比較好比較清楚這個農業部你們寫出來了我們這樣念就有會議紀錄了那個總委員跟這個張委員就研擬提高的必要性還必要性的提高不是 |
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主席我剛剛有說了可以講話喔 謝謝剛剛農業部都確認花生是一定會受損知道我們也知道農民也知道所以我現在文字就是我剛剛說的將受影響之花生產業原要求針對受影響之花生產業為照顧這個花生農必要提高 |
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後面你講的那句最後請嚴厲就這樣子就好了必要必要跟需要一樣啊不一樣主決議而已又不是公務所以主決議本來就可以說數字是請你們主決議就是大家互相尊重主決議還是要互相尊重一下吧那個詹委員我非常尊重您啊謝謝你等我謝謝你等我 |
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因為如果這個沒有寫數字上去我是堅決認為說把必要提高寫在前面啦好 請農業部引力但是我們 |
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既然大家有共識是要這樣子寫我還是希望說農業部這個當然只是審查的一部分可是農民他面對的是每天生活你知道所以我還希望部長部長趕快我們一起聯手把那個食管法那個那個產地標示趕快落實修改不是啦我但是他要支持我們已經直接在跟衛務部在溝通了 |
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一個月內好不好所以有必要提高 還是有提高的必要性有必要提高 請農業部一個月之內演繹主決議的一二三四第四條裡面毀滅性衝擊 毀滅性可不可以拿掉 |
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不用啦那個毀滅性我覺得太過於你知道現在美國花生還沒進來價格就已經掉了三成了這個齁我剛才早上已經對于情回應了現在目前所有的關稅跟配額是一樣的需求也一樣那個是可以刻意的操作的不行那你要去抓出來吧跟關稅是沒有關係的 |
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我覺得加一句話 加一個字就好了現在都沒有改恐將對國內花生產業造成毀滅那恐將就是你的說法 對不對我另外有一個建議啦 主席 |
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因為我們要考慮我們如果把文字寫成毀滅性那個衝擊會更大不是不是不是不是孔家的問題我大家聽聽看啦我只建議啦因為我們要考慮另外一面的問題你講太嚴重反而會越崩盤你注意那個張院長你反而如果越嚴重的時候反而會更崩盤這是我們要考慮的 |
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那所以我是有嚴重衝擊不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是 |
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這件事情假設 我們現在是假設假設我們零關稅無限量進入台灣怎麼可能不是毀滅性的衝擊 |
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現在部長告訴我們說還沒有零關稅也還沒有無限量我們就已經降了三成了那如果無限量零關稅進來我們肯定是否定性的 |
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現在的巴西阿根廷都已經比台灣還貴但是台灣為什麼還有能夠佔據70%表示我們的消費者對台灣的化妝是有信心的所以我們要有信心才能夠讓農民有信心你又不標示台灣的化妝這個我們會處理我們要有信心才能夠讓農民有信心如果我們先喊衰的話我沒有要唱衰我比你還擔心好不好我們都很擔心 |
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張軍委員部長主席這邊做一個建議才是剛剛我們綜合大家的意見當然我很認同張軍委員說如果寫得太嚴重毀滅性衝擊會對市場的信心造成影響所以說恐將對國內發展產業造成重大影響然後剛才所說的將現行每公頃三五千轉做獎勵金 |
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因適度提高請農業部一個月之內研議還有嗎 |
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把那個剛剛產地標示也把它加進去剛剛部長已經有說了因為我們也怕說你寫的太那個怕整個噴掉所以大家找成一個共識主席剛剛的文字本席同意那另外你必須在這個提案裡頭去加注 |
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把台灣的花生 原來花生的形狀是一樣的我們怎麼知道它是美國花生還是台灣花生一樣那麼大顆 一樣那樣你要去把那個本土的產業 |
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去把它標示化這個公道嗎我們是不是可以加一個我們要建立台灣的花生標章並就是針對花生產品做原產地標示這樣子原產地標示要入法因為如果沒有入法是沒有保障的若實對本土產業農業照顧之前一句 |
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並推動台灣花生標章及原產地標示及並推動台灣花生原產地標章 |
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推動台灣花生標章及原產地標示推動我不贊成因為我們在這裡已經說好要做了把推動兩個字改為執行 |
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對不對 你已經要做了推動並執行不是 就要執行啊因為我們現在的標章在製裁局正在申請啊所以我現在沒有辦法立刻執行啊你怕什麼 你就要坐下 你怕什麼沒有 我那個標章要出來了推動並執行啦 好啦推動並執行好 按照修正法律通過來 69案 |
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遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理 |
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74案照這個中間委員建議加入以租代鑒的相關的推動政策那74案就按照修正文件通過75案遵照辦理照案通過76案遵照辦理照案通過來農民退休基金的提案沒有預算的提案只有數據來77案遵照辦理照案通過78案遵照辦理照案通過79案遵照辦理照案通過80案遵照辦理照案通過81案遵照辦理 |
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這案如果八十案 有意見有意見八十案來來來這邊喔八十二案這個賴委員我有嚴署是讓我們農民退休處境的資格不僅限於專業農民農業部今年已經將適用對象擴大到兼業農 |
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業及勞務的斜槓農民只是未滿 只要未滿65歲啊未領取相關社會保險老年給付而且沒有雇主為他提撥職業退休金都可以依照這個相關的規定來申請這個良發美意今年已經推動了 |
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但是很多斜槓農民還不知道那因為現在的規定啊申請參加農民儲金有三種人第一個是具農保身份的人第二個是參加勞保或國保的實際從農者甚至連第三種已經領軍保退伍給付的人他只要在50歲以下的退伍青年農民都可以申請勤領那像我念出這個具體的內容為什麼要再念出來呢 |
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因為行政院農業部推出這樣很好的一個制度呢需要大大的宣導所以呢我們目前看到那個賴瑞榮委員的體驗內容他是你說到其實呢他說就是這個覆蓋率就是偏低那我是覺得是不是加上一個針對今年通過的擴大適用對象的規定應加強宣導好不好 |
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不然這個量發免疫太可惜啦部長有沒有問題我們就針對賴榮提案的第82案按照修正文字通過把中央政府的建議納入這個修正文字這個今天的預算都已經處理完畢請宣讀協商的結論 |
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宣讀協商結論 農業作業基金有關優惠成本與費用部分總要改良繁殖作業基金向下優惠成本與費用之消耗成本預算策略其中第二案及第三案均改為主決議農業科技延續作業基金向下優惠成本與費用之出租資產成本預算策略主決議第六案 第七案及第八案均遭案通過 |
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第九案修正通過第十案至第十八案均照案通過農田水利事業作業基金部分 |
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固定資產建設改良擴充向下一般建築及設備計畫凍結500萬元一個月內提出書面報告其中第19第20及第21案均改為主決議主決議部分第23案至第30案均照案通過第31案修正通過提出書面報告農業特別收入基金部分 |
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農業發展基金基金用途有關提升農業經營及發展計畫向下產銷調節計畫凍結300萬元一個月內提出書面報告另外第32案至第37案均改為主決議離物發展及造林基金基金用途部分 |
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8945.432 |
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有關森林遊樂及林業鐵路經營管理計畫凍結500萬元一個月內提書面報告其中第40及第41項均改為主決議農產品受進口損害救助基金部分有關調整產業貨防範措施計畫向下養豬產業韌性高效加值及競爭力優化計畫凍結200萬元一個月內提書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
8949.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
8969.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
另外調整產業或防範措施計畫向下農產品全球通路拓展計畫預算照列農村再生基金部分有關農村再生建設及發展計畫向下智能防災設施設施型農業計畫凍結100萬元1個月內提出書面報告其中第48案改為主決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
8975.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
8985.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
主決部分第49案到第51案均招案通過第52案修正通過第53案至第60案均招案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
8987.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9013.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
第61案修正通過第62案至第67案均遭案通過第68案修正通過第69案至第73案均遭案通過第74案修正通過75及76案遭案通過農民退休基金部分預算遭列第77案至第81案均遭案通過第82案修正通過宣傳完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9019.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9045.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
好經過了冗長的討論請問在場各位同仁有緣提案我們就照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分我們均照列請問有異議沒有異議我們通過好主委宣告115年度農業部附屬單位預算非營業部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
9047.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9062.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
預算審查完略本次會議通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理今天所列議程處理完略各位同仁大家辛苦了現在休息 |