| IVOD_ID |
17504 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17504 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T08:31:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T12:52:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:20:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e345d10eba18100392042dc10dca826776dbd1a1f1ae50216959289d4fb1d7a415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行（含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠）。（詢答及處理）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）。（僅詢答）
【6月10日及11日兩天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：第一案6月10日（三）上午10時，第二案6月10日（三）下午5時】） |
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立法院第十一屆第五會議期財政委員會第十八次全體委員會會議請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員已足法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會第十七次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年六月八日星期一九時至十一時四十七分地點軍銜樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福等十三人列席委員洪孟凱等三人請假委員一人列席官員財政部部長莊翠雲 |
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金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭金龍及其他相關機關人員等報告事項宣讀上市會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部國庫署官務署及所屬國有財產署及所屬財政資訊中心稅出預算部分及融資財源調度 |
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2.繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金中央政府債務基金3.繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會銀行局證券期貨局保險局檢查局收支部分決議1.115年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部國庫署官務署及所屬 |
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國有財產署及所屬財政資訊中心稅出預算部分即融資財源調度審查結果依第十款財政部主管第一項財政部原頁一百三十五億九百八十九萬七千元簡列第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持 |
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本項通過決議44項 |
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第二項國庫署原列一千零六十八億七千五百三十二萬九千元檢列第二幕國庫業務二百二十萬元航空股管理作業之業務費二十萬元及撕裂菸品茶器作業之業務費二百萬元 |
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第四目國債複習項下國債複習中債務費之債務利息五十億元第五項國債經理項下國債經理中債務費之手續費三百萬元公計檢列五十億五百二十萬元科目均自行調整其餘均照列改列為一千零一十八億七千零一十二萬九千元本項通過決議十四項第九項關務署及所屬原列 |
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81億6,742萬5千元檢列第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持30萬元第二幕關稅業務支業務費60萬元共計檢列90萬元科目均自行調整其餘均招列改列為81億6,652萬5千元本項通過決議24項 |
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第十項國有財產署及所屬原列411億8291萬5千元檢列第一幕一般行政項下基本行政工作維持至業務費15萬元第二幕國有財產業務50萬元公計檢列65萬元科目均自行調整其餘均照列改列為411億8226萬5千元本項通過決議18項 |
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第十一項財政資訊中心原列二十三億一千一百六十三萬四千元檢列第二目財政資訊業務一百萬元科目自行調整其餘均照列改列為二十三億一千零六十三萬四千元本項通過決議六項有關知識別說出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整 |
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二融資財源調度部分中華民國一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案有關融資財源調度部分編列債務資產環一千二百六十五億元令稅入稅出差短一千七百二十七億二千一百一十八萬元合共上述融資調度數二千九百九十二億二千一百一十八萬元全數與取借債務支應均照列四總預算案稅入稅出審議結果再行調整 |
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2115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金中央政府債務基金審查結果 |
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一 業務計畫應依據基金來源與用途審查結果隨同調整二 基金來源用途及餘處一 基金來源9096億6212萬2000元照列二 基金用途9096億5923萬7000元照列三 本期剩餘2885000元照列三 結繳工庫無列數四 通過決議一項 |
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3.115年度中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會、銀行局、證券期貨局、保險局、檢察局收支部分審查結果。1.稅入部分,第二款罰款及賠償收入,第215項至218項均無劣數。 |
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第三款規費收入第179項照列第180項無列數第四款財產收入第227項至第231項均照列 |
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第五款營業營業及事業收入第十二項金融監督管理委員會原列8億554萬3千元系金融監督管理基金剩餘繳庫數佔照列四所屬非營業特種基金審議確定後再行調整第七款其他收入第225項至第229項均照列 |
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第二 稅出部分 第二十四款金融監督管理委員會主管第一項金融監督管理委員會 原列二億七千二百九十三萬一千元簡列第一幕 一般行政向下基本行政工作維持之業務費三十八萬元 |
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含資訊服務費28萬元及一般事務費10萬元第二幕金融監理向下金融監督管理中設備及投資資訊軟硬體設備費20萬元共計減列58萬元科目均自行調整其餘均照列改列為2億7235萬1千元本項通過決議44項 |
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第二項銀行局原列3億9544萬9千元簡列第一幕一般行政項下基本行政工作維持至業務費10萬元科目自行調整其餘均招列改列為3億9534萬9千元本項通過決議二十項 |
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第三項證券期貨局原列4億2109萬8千元檢列第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作為此之業務費20萬元含一般事務費10萬元第二幕證券期貨市場監理向下證券期貨市場監理之業務費15萬元 |
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工具檢列三十五萬元 科目軍資行調整其餘軍造列改列為四億二千零七十四萬八千元本項通過決議十七項第四項保險局原列一億七千九百二十七萬一千元檢列第一幕一般行政項下基本行政工作維持職業務費十萬元科目資行調整其餘軍造列改列為一億七千九百二十七萬一千元本項通過決議十五項第五項 |
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檢查局原列5億5598萬元簡列第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持之業務費10萬元第二幕金融機構檢查向下金融機構檢查之業務費10萬元公計簡列20萬元科目均執行調整其餘均照列改列為5億5578萬元本項通過決議實項有關正式別稅出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整 |
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4.本委員會負責審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案至公務預算部分均已審查完均有關這事別說出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整並擬據審查報告並入審查總報告提報院會討論院會討論前需交由黨團協商院會討論時由本會無召集委員秉瑞出席說明宣讀完畢請問各位委員對上次議事論有異議 |
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請問各位委員對上市議事錄有無異議無異議議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀今日議程 |
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审查中华民国115年度中央政府总预算案附属单位预算营业部分关于中央银行和中央招币厂中央印制厂巡打及处理二审查中华民国115年度中央政府总预算案附属单位预算营业部分关于财政部主管中国输出入银行台湾金融控股股份有限公司和台湾银行股份有限公司台银延寿保险股份有限公司台银综合证券股份有限公司 |
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請詢答 宣讀完畢原例介紹在場委員第一位 林德福委員林思明委員與會政府官員 今天列席的有中央銀行 楊金龍總裁業務局 謝鳳英局長發行局 鄧炎達局長外匯局 蔡炯明局長 |
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國庫局吳義娟局長金融業務檢察處黃寶霞副處長經濟研究處曹體仁處長秘書處盧瑞祥處長會計處郭淑慧處長資訊處陳功處長人事室張淑慧主任 |
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法務室謝家文主任中央印製廠林忠謀總經理中央招聘廠葉木欽廠長財經資訊股份有限公司林國良董事長財政部莊翠雲部長會計處李秋月處長人事處張芳琪處長 |
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國庫署陳柏成署長 複稅署宋秀玲署長 關路署彭英偉署長 國有財產署曾國基署長財政資訊中心張文希主任 中國輸出銀行戴登山理事主席 謝富華總經理 |
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台灣金融控股股份有限公司林中元董事長兼台灣銀行董事長總經理施瑪莉台灣銀行股份有限公司總經理吳嘉曉台銀人壽保險股份有限公司張志宏董事長劉啟勝總經理台銀綜合證券股份有限公司李素森董事長 |
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張振康總經理行政運輸暨總署基金預算處專門委員黃厚齊專門委員 |
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今日議程安排一審查中華民國一百一十五年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行含中央造幣廠中央印製廠詢答及處理二審查中華民國一百一十五年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算營業部分關於財政部主管中國輸出日銀行台灣金融礦股股份有限公司還台灣銀行股份有限公司台銀人壽保險股份有限公司台銀綜合證券股份有限公司這一部分僅詢答 |
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一首先請中央銀行楊總裁進行預算案內容報告 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生今天呈邀列席貴委員會報告本行一百一十五年度業務計劃及營業預算甚感榮幸以下請就本行一百一十四年度收支情形執行情形作二要報告再說明一百一十五年度業務計劃與預算編制情形進行會事指教 |
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於114年度收支執行情形本行114年度之營業總收入為新來幣5,788億5,918萬元營業總支出為3,313億9,176萬元收支相比後營業為2,474億6,742萬元 |
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2.115年度業務計畫重點1.調節金融2.發行通貨3.外匯管理4.金融業務檢查5.經濟研究6.經理國庫3.115年度營業預算編列情形 |
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營業收支及營餘營業總收入本行含中央造幣廠中央印製廠115年度預算營業總收入為新台幣4,288億3,537萬8千元較上年度法定預算數增加26億5,758萬2千元增加率為0.62%二營業總支出本行 |
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115年度預算營業總支出為新台幣2535億1389萬4千元較上年度法定預算數增加28億5610萬元增加率為1.14%3 |
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年度營餘以上總收入與營業總支出高抵後115年度預算營餘為新台幣1,753億2,148萬4千元 |
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除提存法定等公積350億7,545萬7,000元外餘數連同以前年度累積營餘598億元共計2,000億4,602萬7,000元息數繳交國庫關係紅利 |
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截於以上系就本行114年度收支執行情形以115年度業務計畫及營業預算案提出二要報告敬請各位委員先進指教與支持謝謝謝謝楊總裁現在請財政部專部長請要進行預算內容報告 |
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主席各位委員先進大家早貴委員會今天審查輸出入銀行台灣金控公司115年度的營業預算本人應邀列席報告僅就各該市115年度業務重點及預算編列情形做簡要說明 |
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第一 输出银行部分在115年度预计放款营运量是2015亿元输出保险营运量是1995亿元保证营运量是427亿元本期净利15.66亿元比114年度的预算数成长40.07%另固定资产的建设改良及扩充编列0.12亿元是有关 |
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資訊設備的擴充、汰換還有營業廳舍整修等所需要的支出為了強化該行融資的功能支援我國拓展海外經貿活動量能的政策任務依據行政院核定的增資計畫從112年度到116年度分年 |
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增資100億元115年度由國庫現金增資20億元第二個是台灣金控公司部分115年度預計放款營運量是3兆1625億元存款營運量4兆8067億元採購營運量386億元貴金屬營運量1440億元保險營運量403億元證券營運量 |
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一兆5560亿元本期净利是146.46亿元比114年度的预算数成长24.76%另外整体固定资产建设改良机扩充编列40.96亿元主要是营业厅舍的新建整修咨询设备的扩充汰换等所需要的支出威力上开公司的业务推动以上的报告敬请各位委员会与支持谢谢 |
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謝謝財政部莊部長現在開始詢答先做一下宣告每位出席委員發言時間8分鐘必要時延長2分鐘列席委員發言時間4分鐘今日上午10時截止發言登記 |
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本次會議委員若有預算相關提案中央銀行制預算提案請於上午10點前送主席台中國輸出會銀行及台灣金控公司的預算提案於下午5點以前送財政委員會必便議事人員收案整理現在依登記順序請登記第一位林德福委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席是不是請那個央行的楊總裁 還有財政部的莊部長總裁你好 我請教 |
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那個喬水基金創辦人達里歐近期接受訪問他認為美國正面臨貨幣、政治、國際秩序三大系統同步的崩壞 |
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並預言伊朗戰爭可能成為終結美元霸權的蘇伊士時刻但也有專家認為說美國發動中東戰爭背後目的就是要改變整個石油能源的供給結構 |
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同時也鞏固美元的霸權美國目前穩居全球最大的產油國的地位原油日均產量維持在1350萬桶到1370萬桶的歷史高位區間對此楊總裁你有如何的評估地緣政治風險對美元的影響 |
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有沒有什麼看法是 報告委員基本上這一次就說美伊伊戰爭跟原先的預期稍微久一點所以它對石油的價格的影響也稍微長一點就高 然後長一點不過目前也慢慢地下來了 |
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這個戰爭對美元的霸權是不是會有很深遠的影響以目前來看如果說事實上在中東戰爭還有其他的地緣政治來看的話美元的地位到目前為止我總覺得它還是保持著全球最重要的一個你認為有沒有巨美元化的可能 |
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去美元化如果說會有去美元化的一個現象的話那大概就是說這個是一個比較長遠的一個現象那如果說從可預見的將來來看的話我個人還是認為美元還是主導整個全球的金融制度 |
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那個總裁嗯央行將於6月18日召開第二次的這個第二季的這個禮監事會啊外界預估6月央行不升息的機率比較高暫時按兵不動那央行前陣子啊談到K型經濟下已經 |
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3215.25 |
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我請問總裁央行所謂的更精準的政策措施 |
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有可能是哪些 |
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事實上中央銀行的一個譬如說除了穩定匯率是一個措施另外一個剛剛委員所說的就是利率調整第三個我們平常所使用的就是公開市場操作就是資金的進出資金的收來放出去 收來放出去第四個就是我們的存款準備金 |
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總裁會不會跨部會合作透過財政部的降稅措施或者是行政院加大補貼以緩和低所得家庭受到長期通膨物價的影響會不會 |
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我想財政部基於他的職權我相信他會很謹慎的來執行他本身的稅方面的政策因為這一段時間大家都看到確實很多物價真的是在往上拉所以說很多一般的平民百姓 |
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你除了這些操作AI的這些可能會不影響以外一般平民百姓真的是衝擊很大基本上我跟委員報告就是說五月份的物價是有上漲的不過長期以來要長期間 |
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各個機構對我們台灣的一個物價的一個預測基本上他們都認為是穩定的那相較於其他的主要經濟體來講的話台灣的一個物價還算是平穩的 |
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3351.559 |
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3379.57 |
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好那個總裁台積電前景看好那網友流傳順口溜啊相信魏哲嘉明年買新家前陣子股東大會啊魏哲嘉董事長還說請繼續買台積電股票許多民眾啊延後買房的需求紛紛把這個資金投入股市提早賺到買房的頭期款不過啊根據內政部最新的統計 |
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3380.931 |
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3392.16 |
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今年累計四個月全台建物買賣整個移轉的動數約差不多8.05萬棟那年減4.9%顯示股市熱絡房市冷清那有專家認為說新清安政策應該轉型為 |
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3413.815 |
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全民啊守夠安心成家的政策不應該要有年齡收入房價貸款等這些限制那請問財政部莊部長你有什麼看法委員清安貸款從民國99年執行以來然後在112年的時候實施所謂的新清安到今年7月 |
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它主要的目標還是在協助沒有自有住宅房屋的民眾去購買一間房屋來做自住使用所以政府有相關的一些措施所以說你要是協助你不要說一定定位在某某個年齡層這個很重要啊在7月31號新青安屆期以後後續如何的執行我們也在聽取各界的意見而且財政部也邀集了相關的部會一起來討論 |
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3460.2 |
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我們會從民眾的需求 金融市場 房地產市場等多面向來考慮那時候可以決定我們當時也說希望是在六月底前可以提出整個方案然後跟社會各界來做說明那個部長 新青安2.0的政策傳聞滿天輝啦 |
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3494.48 |
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那拔草測風向財政部說6月底剛剛您有講一定會公布時間越靠近外界的預測會有這些申請人的年齡還有貸款的年限不超過80的80條以年所得200萬以上家庭不得申請的排付條款外界是希望趕快把遊戲規則來做公布 |
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3510.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
讓有自住需求的這些民眾有充足的時間來研究哪一個貸款的方案比較適合自己對於新清安的2.0政策中央銀行是否有參與討論那個楊總裁你們有沒有參與討論 |
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3514.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3535.79 |
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是有的有齁那對星期三那個點您的相關方案是否都大致認同我想因為現在都院裡面事實上我們還有相關的單位財政部也有召開幾次的討論行政院也有召開幾次的討論 |
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3537.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3562.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
央行是否又會對這些房市重新上演信用管制的措施會不會我想到目前為止選擇性信用管制到目前為止事實上是就到這裡中央銀行5月公布金融穩定報告提到國內股市結構對科技產業依賴程度偏高 |
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3563.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3580.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
若相關產業緊急出現波動恐擴大整個股市整體波動的幅度加以近期市場對AI這些相關產業高估值之餘力升溫短期可能加劇整個股價的震盪長期若AI發展未如預期 |
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3583.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3611.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
亦可能引發評價修正的風險那因為地緣政治風險升高可能會影響整個全球供應鏈及科技產業發展進一步來增添整個市場不確定性相關影響事宜繼續關注那多間的這些投顧預測今年台股有望挑戰這個五萬點的大關那我請問央行有看到台股熊市的跡象嗎 |
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3611.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3638.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
有沒有我跟委員報告就是說我們的穩定報告裡面有提到說這個AI的那個就是說是會有過熱的一個現象事實上這個是我們的穩定報告引用IMF的一個報告而不是我們的本身的一看法它是就整體來看那至於就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3653.059 |
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至於就是說我們台股是熊市那這個就是說投資人在因為他速度快這樣的速度快投資人呢這個事實上的股市不是中央銀行的資權 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
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總裁 站在金融穩定的立場來看台股外界擔心世代同行 貸款的貸喔世代同行的現象越來越多資金落大幅度的流向股市那請問央行對台灣的整體產業發展有沒有隱憂 |
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我想就是說他的資金往股市這邊事實上據我了解金管會是在密切注意他在密切注意其實現在是很嚴重喔真的喔 那些年輕人都跑去做當沖甚至於人帶的都帶 |
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股市有一天要是真的走到那個整個下滑你看那時候會怎麼辦很嚴重喔你們應該要去做多方面的考量跟呼籲事實上我跟委員報告目前最近的一個修正下檔修正我認為那是健康的啦 |
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那有的時候不能只是上沒有下但是他最近的一個修正我認為我個人認為那是健康的OK好希望如此謝謝林德福委員下一位資訊委員賴世保委員 |
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謝謝主席 以及各位先進有請央行 央總裁 以及財政部的莊部長請央行 央總裁 財政部莊部長奈委員早兩位長官早有關於新青安的部分財政部目前把它捋到什麼程度有沒有開始有一些 |
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沒有交房貸的啦什麼之類的有沒有這個一些正常嗎新青安的相關的一個預期的一些狀況我們也去了解基本上它的平均率比全國的住宅貸款的預期繳款的低很多全國的是百分之0.08而青安的部分是百分之0.01那大家有個人的一些因素我想這個部分我們都持續都在密切的關注 |
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你有沒有注意到這些新清安的這些房貸族拿這個貸貸的錢拿去這個股票市場有沒有他必須要買房子他才能夠他才能夠貸新清安啊他才能貸 |
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所以他必須是要買房嘛他能不能再把這個房買到二胎貸款可不可以二胎貸的話當然銀行在審核的時候必須他的信用能夠擔保到二胎新青安可不可以去做二胎的房貸可不可以沒有限制我們沒有做這個 |
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沒有做這個沒有做這個部分的限制因為這房地產沒有規定不可以嘛但是委員房地產是他的啊而且他的擔保的保證的信仰都足夠擔保啊他拿去帶進去股市這是我擔心的我現在告訴兩位長官啊我們現在就是拿去房貸不管有沒有歐運啊就進入股市41.7萬的 |
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40幾萬戶口影響不可謂不大現在請問總裁我們要總共房子幾戶啊總共台灣的房子幾戶啊台灣的房子幾戶是不是 這個我就不曉得應該有數字啊 我知道是全部到800多萬戶吧800多萬戶吧 |
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八百多萬戶以過去的印象當中那如果41萬那就是很高的比例喔你剛才已經回答了就是央行不會有進一步的信用管制是不是我想呢這個因為我們剛好18號要禮監事會禮監事會也會就選擇性信用管制來討論 |
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還要討論個利率啊國外的有些金融機構已經預估說台灣的央行下禮拜會提高利息因為通貨膨脹一直上來然後股市很熱這個希望能夠用 |
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加個半碼或者是一碼來 |
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有沒有這個情況這個訊息我們都掌握當中不過有的是說會誠如委員所說的這樣但是有的是說會就是說不動所以這些的情況我想18號就會知道了18號就會知道所以你不願意透露一點點 |
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你來這裡也要透露一下表情展現一下因為委員我也跟委員報告一下我們10天之內就是說禮監事會禮監事會的10天之內每一個委員都是監默期人道集團你都跟你講他是一個監默期 |
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所以呢很抱歉啦那個委員所以我才會剛剛跟委員報告就是說我們18號的時候呢經過委員的充分討論之後呢他的結果呢一定會在當天馬上更佈不管你沒有在緘默期你都不會講啦就這樣才對啦基本上你 |
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來 我請教你 這個全球的資金 比如說加密貨幣 黃金等等是不是因為都投入股市而暴跌 然後資金都跑去股市股市佔整個的 到底股市投入的比例多高 資金多高 我看了一個數字 |
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比如說美國股市佔M2它有這個指標股市的總值佔M2315%美國日本呢102%韓國83%台股183%所以相對的台灣的錢進入股市是不是水位已經相當高了 |
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所以這個就是相對的啦如果我們是跟台灣跟如果我們說跟三四年前來比較的話那當然現在目前投入股市的資金是比較多了跟三四年前來比較的話那如果說跟剛剛委員所報告的這樣子的話事實上我們台灣看起來相較啦這是相較啦你看看美國又那麼高 |
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那跟韓國來講的話你剛剛是說他是85嘛但是我跟委員報告 |
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韓國是在前幾年的時候前兩年的時候它是非常低的是最近才很直線的上來所以呢委員你也會發現到韓國的股市呢它的一個修正它的修正呢它非常劇烈的一下子上上漲的那個回過頭來我再關心一個題目因為因為啊台股啊前天大跌了昨天強力反彈了嗯啊昨天外匯成交47.46美金 |
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我沒有記錄啊你是說那個外匯的市場外匯的市場就是說因為是供需嘛我們的出口商也蠻有錢的你也知道啊我們出口商他的那個什麼他的出口非常少啊那如果說出口商價格好的時候呢出口商會出來好來問你 |
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6月底 今天是6月10號6月1號到現在外資總共賣了2528億台幣等於80億美金台股這句話 我問你這句話是不是成立台股已經成了外資的提款機這句對不對 |
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我想是我們可以這麼說就是說那個外資他對於我們台股他是非常感興趣的為什麼因為我們台股他的dividend他的股力非常豐厚所以他是進進出出只是說現在因為我們的股價比較大比較高所以他的進出的金額他現在是進未出 |
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他也會進來也會出去你現在講六月的話呢我跟委員報告他是出去出去多少Net |
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Net的話呢因為他會有時間的落後那我在想應該至少至少應該他都有五十億啦五十億 至少啦如果說就外資來講的話呢五十億是不高啦 |
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聯準會要上台了喔川普要他降息可是美國經濟好啊就業也好啊通膨高他怎麼降呢這從你看不可能降啊對吧你從你專家中的專家來講不可能降嘛對不對我現在講對吧我剛才的描述對吧美國經濟好就業好通膨高他怎麼降息他要升息喔 |
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同意嗎市場是也有做這樣的一個Price in就是說有這樣的一個預期也就是說美國的經濟好就是因為美國的經濟好還有現在的美伊戰爭所以導致它這個通膨也比較高所以它的債券的利率就高我認為主要還是它的經濟美國的債券30年起破5%了10年起的4.5% |
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那一般來講說我只要7到8%就等於垃圾債券美國美債會不會變垃圾債券沒有 不過我跟委員報告美國的現在的債券是AAAAA離這個BBB-那還差很遠所以你拼命買進美債我們也沒有說拼命買進因為我們的外交群體都是diversify我們是diversify |
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對啊 可是我老是在問一個啦因為最近變化很大 金融市場很大你給我確定一下過去的數字美債是不是在你的歐元存底還是有八成左右我們隨時再調整八成可以嗎有些時候是會超過有些時候是會比較低因為最主要的是跟那個美元的匯率有關係如果說美元的匯率高它比較強的時候呢它的那個比例就會提高 |
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如果說美元是比較弱的時候它的那個比重就會低但是呢 除了這個匯率的調整以外我們本身呢 我們也會做動態的調整黃金有沒有加一點 |
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到目前還沒有到目前還沒有買美債就是在八成左右應該可以這麼說啦謝謝賴世寶委員感謝下一位諮詢委員郭國文委員謝謝主席有請楊總裁還有包括我們財政部的部長 |
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請央行楊總裁財政部莊部長我先就教總裁郭委員早總裁我想剛剛幾位同仁也提到世代同堂的問題大家是擔心說會不會產生所謂的系統化的風險產生了未來的這個隱憂因為管理金融的穩定的單位是央行 |
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目前為止講了比較多房貸、車貸、信貸但是統一的單位在管理他還可以查到一些相關的數據比如說銀行局的說法最高的部分小額信貸的部分也高達了9.4%參黨的速度算蠻快的 |
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但是我再讓你看一個數據 政區局的說法就是在去年前四月的融資交易金額是28.32億但是今年的融資的部分是64.13億足足成長了3581億 也就是成長了2.26倍也就是說確實透過融資的部分的比例非常的高 |
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那再來說的話雖然不同的單位但是殊途同歸啦我們看到的這個這個質押的部分大家想到的可能是股票的質押可是還有包括這個保單的質押都有可能拿到錢啦所以各種質押進去的時候你凸顯出一個數據你去思考一下為什麼在成交量最高的那一天的兩兆當中有一兆 |
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是什麼是當沖所以這些人的資金基本上就是拿去玩股票了嘛所以很顯然這些的分析是有道理的那問題我們是最擔心的是有系統化的風險做一個央行一個高度這麼監理單位來說你有沒有可能去了解一下在不同的這種借貸行為當中有一個比較相關的跨商品的高槓桿的監測機制的一個成立有沒有可能 |
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我跟委員報告事實上這個信用就股市的信用事實上金管會都在據我了解一部分啦但是以你的高度來說然後就中央銀行來講的話那當然就是說整個信用特別是因為信用的話是銀行 |
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我知道那是銀行局 三個貸款都是銀行局那一部分是政企局 不同單位所以就整個總體的信用來看的話就誠如委員說的 他成長的速度快剛剛委員也有談到就是說 系統性的風險不過我跟委員報告 |
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我覺得現在離那個系統性的風險應該還是還有一段距離還很遠啦主要說我們主管機關必須要在現在目前的情況之下必須要密切處理 |
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密切注意 金管一直還是金管會要密切注意但是已經影響到你央行你知道嗎央行6月3號的時候標售了1400億的364天的定存啊產生什麼現象第一個 四年來第一次賣不完第二個 你的得標加權平均的利率是1.523是2008金融風暴以來最高 |
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那顯示銀行裡頭都沒有什麼錢錢都放出去 |
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我跟委員報告事實上我們的存單本來是1400億我說的是事實吧我說的這個現象是事實啊事實事實 委員當然講的是事實但是我要跟委員報告就是說第一個是因為剛好現在五月六月剛好是角度以前沒有什麼會剛好有這種因素現在就第一個吧 |
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所以說第一個就是繳稅的因素第二個是因為我們現在的AI是非常熱絡的所以AI的企業它對銀行的融資也增加了這個是第二點第三點就誠如剛剛委員所說的這樣 |
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股票就是股票這三個意思最重要是股票啦我再跟你講說AI好了啦外傳銀行去跟台積電借錢你知不知道怎麼借我講給你聽銀行給台積電的存款利率還高過一趟的放款利率啊這個我有聽過台積電在銀行裡頭存款大概是3兆元 |
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現在央行是台積電還是委員你現在在講這個的時候我們同事也有討論到這件事我也覺得是很納悶 |
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那看你是說啦因為台積電他的一個bugging power在銀行裡面因為你也知道嘛你不要說台積電在台灣是相當有名他在全球都那麼有名銀行是存款算利差哪有負利差的哪有這種道理嘛因為他的那個bugging power比較大 |
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對啊 你也不能這樣講啊 銀行是要我們欠錢 借錢處理你來欠 我借 處理 我賺錢然後我存進來 我還撩錢的然後有這種道理 這沒道理嘛所以他不能用央行的角色 除了央行有這個角色當然啦 如果說他這個Spray的他如果輸的做一個善意提醒啦這個是扭曲的現象嘛一 二 三 都是扭曲的現象四代同房是扭曲的現象定存賣不出去扭曲的現象 |
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台積電借錢都是扭曲的現象嘛你站在央行的高度 你要去想一想這是到底發生了什麼事情你不能能演旁觀啊沒有 不會啦 不會啦報告委員 不會啦我們不會能演旁觀我懷疑你也是能演旁觀啊不會啦你知道 監管會做出一個錯誤的決定就是把電子支付開放給銀行以致電子支付現在十家當中只有一兩家在賺錢啊真的很可憐 |
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可是在法律上的電資之力當中有第三項可以辦理國外的小兒會對法律開放了 央行沒有開放有啊有啦有啦你們還在討論啊我們不是開放 他們是說他來叫我們我們審查一下 |
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到現在還在討論我跟我們報告不會啦因為這個主管機關是那個金管會中央銀行基本上我們都會為什麼卡在中央銀行因為裡頭有起錢房子的需求系統化安全的標準還有外匯申報的一個遵循這個東西業者都不曉得標準在哪裡啊 |
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不會啦央行搞了四年都還沒有講出來沒有啦而且你還要開放這個時候你還要小心沒有啦這個事情我知道啦你知道分流的部分要管理好不能讓他們彼此打彼此這個很關鍵好這私底下再來講是是是大家都要問辛青安我也問一下總裁前兩天你還我上次還問你說這個五年的寬限期啊 |
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4856.396 |
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可能會讓大家理財過於寬鬆啦好現在六月底要確定之前現在聽起來都五年你剛剛說你也有討論這個過去的總體信用管制跟新興案的政策就左右互搏相互矛盾啦是不是 |
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造成這種結果現在新興發案出來又一千萬變成一千五百萬以前就是說你八百變成一千達到變成新的地板價又拉上來變成一個定毛的效應第二個五年又變成期貨怎麼變成期貨拖了五年房地合一歲就變二十%再拖了第六年自住就變十%當作在管 |
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我跟委員報告現在團村五年你沒有意見嗎五年事實上我上一次委員有提到這個問題我是說五年稍微有一點長事實上我那個時候是想就是說五年的話就是說先三年給我們的那個貸款人然後如果說到第四年他沒辦法的話再給他一年沒辦法的話再給他一年 |
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三加一加一但是呢但是呢主管機關認為他認為就是說事實上用到五年的第一個就是說銀行他自己會把關第二個呢他說認為用到五年的那個比重不高不高那為什麼要開放明明可以當期貨牌那為什麼部長講一下因為銀行本身他就會嚴格把關了這是第一個銀行直接把關好就講銀行好了那部長 |
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4956.826 |
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公股銀行在今年初的時候就提出三大建議喔矛頭就指向於這個利率補貼跟寬限期喔除其中第一點呢寬限期是公股喔搬哪個公股要上來講話 |
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台銀 公股沒有來 好 我覺得公股的部分建議 銀行建議縮短為三年的寬限期喔這是第一線執行的 公股欸 那個台銀有沒有來台銀有來 台銀的林董事長 林董事長 發揮一下你們是不是有做這個建議你們是第一線台銀的業務執行者啊那部長 部長先回答先回答 不要浪費時間 |
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你們有看到這個建議我們都有聽取各方的建議包括空谷航庫不過也要跟委員報告新青安那個五年雖然說寬限期最長五年但是真正適用寬限期到五年只有23%大概是23%過去我們就是談25%左右就是拿來可能再變形變用的炒房的人嘛當初就是這25% |
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那你乾脆斷絕他這25%來公股來講一下你為什麼建議呈三年主席讓他講一下啦啊 委員好 這個新清安的這個到底如何延長還有內容為何呢其實財政部都有邀請我們所有的公股行庫來做一些討論啊你有沒有三年意見講上去建議三 你們建議三 財政部堅持五我就不曉得在堅持什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
5039.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
5058.192 |
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我們當然就是會就食物的狀況來做一些比較合理性的建議你們食物的狀況都寫在這邊了你們不能再重複一次嗎你們有再講一次嗎問題就出現在那23% 25%出現在那四分之一部長你要慎思六月底以前要考慮清楚好 謝謝謝謝郭國文委員諮詢下一位諮詢委員林黛華委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
5068.986 |
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5079.237 |
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有請台灣金控林中元林董事長跟台銀人壽張志宏張董事長請林中元董事長 張志宏董事長林委員好好 林董事長您對於台銀人壽的經營滿意嗎 |
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5092.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
5094.028 |
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你覺得他年年虧損資本市主力大幅下降,保險商品解約金額暴增? |
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其實它有一個比較嚴肅的一個歷史的包袱也就是說它成立的時候其實有非常多的高利率的保單你知道成立的時候是幾年嗎97年所以97年到115年的高利率保單到現在都還沒有辦法解決因為那個保險的年期是非常長所以它是一個非常長期的負債所以當時銷售的這個高利率保單到目前為止對台銀人手來講所以你覺得這個是它最主要虧損的原因 |
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因為他必須要有投報率必須要高過那些高利率保單他也說到他經營不善是因為金融環境劇烈同樣都在人壽保險金融的劇烈地緣政治的風險的提高都是在去年開始其他人壽的公司 壽險公司也沒有這樣的虧損 |
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5188.005 |
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其實大概這幾年整個保險公司呢他的整個獲利的狀況都呈現非常劇烈的一個波動的狀況那我們台銀人壽其實有非常的努力因為我們在我們金控所以你對他的經營是非常的滿意這兩年我覺得是可以接受的因為我們請這個金控的全部的力量去做一些支持那我們也希望因為有你這個父爸爸我要提幾個數據 |
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你財政部下這個吃錢大肥貓就是台銀人壽你對於今年要再增資150億本息非常有意見你從97年從台灣銀行分割出來之後啊初期的資本額是50億從98年度到115年你增資了10次 |
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5213.875 |
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所以你增資了14 到100 今年一口氣再編足了150億整個這樣從97年到115年來 你高達735億的增資這都是人民的血汗錢 百分百人民的預算 |
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5231.465 |
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好 那你說呢 台銀人壽說115年接軌新資營運績效能夠展現體質精進然後呢 到4月的時候你們有呈現正數好 這是你們的說法好 來 再來好 那這個真知無底洞 |
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5245.583 |
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5267.652 |
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你既然說已經累積735億的民脂民膏換來的是具有的虧損每一次你的說法都是這樣啊 三種說法啊我強化風險承擔能力 我經營轉型啊我第三接軌新制啊哪一次的政治不是這三個理由然後你的獲利是慘不忍睹你在這個去年10月底以前你的稅前淨損72.92億 |
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今年啦 你們好厲害 你們說我去年虧了72.92億我今年預估我會稅前淨利0.35億哇 這神準然後你的資本氏族率呢斷崖式的這個崩跌就是你的資本是不是足夠你的氏族率 簡單講就是我的資本是不是能夠吸收你的風險嘛那我們規定要200%那你們在這個去年的時候呢 |
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5309.42 |
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暴跌182.92這個失足率不足所以這就是你們講的接軌心智經營轉型轉型這麼多虧損越來越大今年要再編150億還能夠救回來嗎好 解約竟然講到說你們真的經營得很好結果數字會說話 解約草 |
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5322.723 |
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5330.848 |
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保護的信心崩解那讓本席擔心的109年的解約的解約金額是54.81113年是109.981這5年來你幾乎是解約金額是達到3.48倍好那你們解約呢你們我也所知了你們的說法是什麼 |
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這個解約是因為資金的調度投資等因素韓國也是一樣全球股市漲勢勢如破竹致使保護大量解約保險及提領儲蓄存款 |
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5360.791 |
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5369.156 |
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把資金投入股市以追求更高的報酬率導致解約這個數量增加這是你白紙黑字寫給我的你們來檢討那表示其他的人壽民營的人壽受險公司也應該是這樣解約潮非常非常的高喔應該是這個意思好那這個解約潮奔跑你領走的錢比較進去的多可是你說解約潮這也不對今年115年才股市大漲 |
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5390.37 |
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5395.354 |
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可是你的解約潮在什麼時候就開始啊看看這張表這是你們提供的110年你的解約的比例已經到31.43%到這個111年解約的金額佔你保險整個給付的金額是47.33%112年解約的比例到6成113年解約到66114年還有6成 |
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5419.513 |
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5424.998 |
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這個真的是股市大漲是今年的事啊你怎麼會是這樣的解釋呢好 再來來 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
5430.202 |
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5451.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那你們呢 這個違規 我覺得這個部分我覺得你本來 林董事長我覺得你都要起來發展那我覺得金管會的督導不足保險法講得很規定喔你們要你們的這個可運用的保險的 運用的資金投資到國外的金額這是有規定的喔 |
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5452.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5456.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那當然這講得很專業啊 國外保險這個保險業國外投資加計國際版不得欲國外投資金額合度的145%好 這個看起來很專業結論是什麼 你們連續犯規三次 什麼意思也就是說呢 確實你們這個投資國外有獲利但是是什麼 是違規而獲利就好像詐騙一樣可以賺很多錢 可是詐騙是我們可以容許的嗎你們就有點這樣 這個概念 |
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5487.198 |
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所以你們重大的裁罰跟糾正的紀錄就爬出這幾年就好了2028 2020 2022 2020每兩年都被金管會罰罰多少錢最多罰120萬平均罰60萬或者就給糾正不痛不癢 |
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5502.282 |
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5523.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
所以金管會也對你們只要講到台灣這個台灣金融金控啊哇這個官官相護啊所以呢最後你們的結語我真看不下去所之後的結語說呢請你們面對檢討所以呢台銀人壽歷經實景的虧損在母公司台灣金控的支持下台銀人壽啊 |
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5524.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5547.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
近年來啊 透過強化資本厚職啊等等等表示什麼 我靠的就是父爸爸我只要呢 我怎麼來解決我的這個十幾年的虧損因為我有父爸爸 每年不斷的增資然後增資了十次 十三年來增資了十次所以你覺得這樣的父爸爸跟寮母小孩子的困境怎麼解決啊董事長 請說你怎麼說我國會在支持你這150億啊 |
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5553.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5568.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
我首先說明一下為什麼這個台銀人壽必須要增資那因為其實金管會對我們台銀人壽也有所要求那最主要是它的法規的規定也就是說它的這個資本市足率本身至少要達到法定的一些要求的水準 |
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5569.025 |
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5596.83 |
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那達到這些法令要求的水準呢才可以進行一些新種業務的乘坐如果說我們達不到要求的時候呢其實我們也沒有辦法推出新的保險的商品那在市場上也沒有新的商品可以販售所以這是第一個的要求就是必須要達到資本市足率的要求所以前面呢第一次到第七次的增資呢都是因為當時呢承接這個中信局成立的時候成立的這個人壽保險呢它有一些高利差造成我們的資本的不足所以呢 |
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5598.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5625.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
這部分的一定要這個迅速的一些增資才可以達到法定的要求那整個公司的業務才可以持續來運作下去那最近這兩次就114年跟115年這兩次的增資也是因為這個金管會的一些法規的要求它有所改變就是IFRS 17還有TIS的兩個制度TIS也就是新的這個資本市足率的制度那這兩個制度的要求就讓這個我們自己本身必須要再做一些調整所以到底這個 |
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5626.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
5630.434 |
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到底這家公司的經營表示通通都沒問題你太很滿意反正原因就是那個高單價的這個高利率的保單是一個沉重的負擔所以呢我完全也不需要什麼經營能力沒有沒有沒有我們後面還是有做了非常非常多的努力就是說我們不斷的推出了這些的新的商品人壽的商品其實它在目前在市場上都已經有競爭力了所以我們目前銷售的動能也比較強那剛才您提到的那個解約的問題 |
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解約的問題其實這些保險就是這些保險人本身他也會看整個整體的這個經濟情勢的變化譬如說當美元的這個利率呢比較高的時候 |
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他當時買了這個美金的保單如果說那個利率沒有達到當時因為前幾年大概就是美金的利率都非常高就造成非常大的節約差來 董事長你講那麼多啦來 我再回顧到我的簡報的第幾頁讓你看一下你講這些來 我們來看這個我簡報的第三頁你的市足率 |
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這幾年當中也有少於200的喔你看這個第105年也少於200106年也少於200109年少於200然後到去年少於200所以這個市足率不足是你的常態 |
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好那這個時間到了那這個您講的部分如果能夠適用在過往你深知的因素能夠能夠能夠這個說明的話那我就會支持你151可是明顯的你講的那些因素在你過往的在補足市值率的時候都呈現了所以還是一樣這151投下去還是會虧損好謝謝林代化委員我們再向委員補充一下好謝謝下一位李燕秀委員質詢 |
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請央行楊總裁 |
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李文釗 總裁早安好久不見了2024年3月份是我們最後一次升席半碼我現在回過頭來看半年那時候我記得我在同樣位置質詢我稱呼你會不會是Mr. |
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Surprise那時候笑而不答我們現在回過頭來看 |
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當時的背景我們擔心是可能我們的通膨會到2%我現在看當時你覺得當時我們最後那時候3月份2024年3月份的升息半碼我那時候說效果後來我再碰到你再跟你討論說那你覺得效果好不好你當時回答我說可能我們一直升息要一段時間可能要半年左右4到6個月我忘記 |
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實際大概是多久所以要一段時間才看得出效果那我們現在事情已經過了我們回過頭來看當時的預防性升息的半碼你覺得效果好不好當時的工具跟政策我們當時這樣做對不對好不好 |
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我覺得當然如果事後來檢討的話當時的狀況來講的話我覺得是正確的是正確的好 那請一陣子我關注到我們央行的理事張建義說我們現在通膨只有到1.9 |
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所以大概也沒有要不要升息的問題但我知道我們現在在接末期也不方便講太多但是我想請問就是說總裁就是說現在因為油電糧食也好全世界都在漲那台灣我們的最主要的油電 |
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能源糧食大多數都是靠國外進口所以我們整個政府都在抗通膨全政府大家所有的政策跟工具都在抗通膨那我們都擔心通膨過高那我想請問總裁一個問題就是說我們現在看當時的無論是2024年3月份我們的預防性的升息也好不管升多少或者是有一種有一種是升了之後通膨過了二之後 |
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當時就是通膨過了二就是警戒嘛我們到了警戒時我們再來升息比較好還是我們預防性的升息比較好你覺得事前跟事後哪一個政策工具成本比較低 |
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我跟委員報告就是說這個2%大家都說它是一個警戒線不過所有的國家 主要國家它的2%事實上它是就中長期來看 |
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我舉一個很簡單的例子來跟委員報告我只想知道你的工具我們可以事前預防性的因為當時我們一定沒有所以我現在要跟委員報告就是說所以我很簡單的 |
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就是說在18號這一天我們的理事會很周圍的來討論這個問題然後在那一天我們會...我知道 我沒有要問你那一天你為什麼因為現在在尖沫期我只是要跟你討論一個政策就是說如果我們覺得未來有可能通膨過二假設政府我們想要控制的話 |
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那到底是事前我們先升息好還是事後我們看到已經到比如說現在是2.2 2.3假設那我們到底是事後再來處理哪一個預防性的升息或者是事後我們再來做升息調整哪一個社會成本會比較低我跟委員報告如果說 |
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大家都可以預測到就是說是在半年一年以後呢這個通膨都會持續的一直往上而且呢會導致通膨的預期這個預期呢形成了以後呢那這個呢就是說它的通膨就會一直節節上升那這個呢在這種情況之下呢就一定要 |
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就如同委員剛剛你所說的就是pre-emptive就是事前的預防會比較好事前的預防社會的成本會比較低但是如果說我們疫情到就是說它是通膨是上去但是它會很快的再下來那你就你的這個pre-emptive的這個車的政策就不會就是說 |
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那就是看接下來整個國際的局勢統統國際的狀況我們來決定我們要事前审習預防性的生產是適合我們再來去做出我懂你謝謝總裁最後我想請問你因為我們的油電我剛剛已經講油電糧食其實都跟國際我們都是靠進口所以整個對於我們整理台灣的能源的價格油電其實都會影響通膨所以整個政府賴政府整個都在抗通膨 |
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我覺得方向當然是對的包括我們的油價已經連時動那電價4月份也決定在動漲那整個就是說我想請問一下就是說因為這整個跟央行也有關係那包括油電動漲那這個過程當中行政院有沒有跟央行做過討論或者是聽聽你們的建議或意見或者開會有沒有知會央行這邊一起採訪 |
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我跟委員報告 事實上我們在很多的理監事會之後的一個參考資料裡面我們都發布 包括中東那個時候俄烏戰爭的時候俄烏戰爭的時候 你看看就是說 |
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全世界的通膨主委 我今天時間很有限我想知道關於油電動漲這件事情要不要我們配合開會我們也有啊行政院的穩定物價小組莊營郎也是成員之一 |
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誰都有跟你們開會決定要動場也要聽你們的意見但是我要跟委員報告的就是說政府的這個供給面的措施也就是說這種動場的措施是非常有效的 |
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這個我們從哪裡可以看得到從我們上一次的俄烏戰爭我們也是供給面的所以全球我們台灣的供給面的一個政策是相當成功的如果說我們跟其他的主要國家來比較的話就是因為政府有這樣的一個供給面也就是說如果說是能源的話那麼能源的上漲的話貨幣政策是比較沒有效果的 |
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總裁但是就是說動漲當然我覺得政府的決策要抗通但是後面回調的時候萬一哪一天要回調的時候會造成什麼樣的狀況我覺得也要做一些因應跟準備總裁接下來我要請問就是說因為最近台灣股市非常的好融資餘額已經創了新高到5726億 |
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我想請問總裁就是說因為現在大家的資金都是全部留下股市我想你比我還要清楚資金的槓桿都是累積的非常快速而且散戶大量的湧入每個人都湧入股市請問總裁就是說你會不會擔心就是說現在會不會接近央行所認定系統性的金融風險脆弱風險的標準會不會有這個問題 |
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我跟委員報告這是一個這個是一個是現在大家都比較密切注意的一個問題但是呢我跟委員報告事實上呢據我了解金管會呢對這個問題他也密切的去注意他第二個 |
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如果說就專業能力的看法事實上委員講的沒有錯也就是說我們現在資源跑到股市去的話這個是跟以前來比較它是速度太快了比較快但是距離說是什麼系統性的風險我想我覺得距離差很遠那還差不遠但是我雖然是說還差很遠但是還是要密切注意它 |
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謝謝總裁您的回應我為什麼會這麼說因為我觀察到一個數據我們今年五月底央行定存的單月額降到6兆多跟過去幾個月比起來其實差非常多大概減少2700億除了銀行不願意或沒有多餘的資金來認購央行的定存單 |
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所以大家銀行也不願意把錢存到一年放定存單之後這跟過去幾個月有非常大的差異所以銀行連一年的定存單都不願意買意味著銀行預期未來就是說整個一年內的資金會非常的吃緊在銀行裡面他們必須要存夠足夠的資金放到市場裡面去 |
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那所以是不是就是因為你認為會不會就是因為銀行把資金都轉入股市包括做相關的壽性業務包括融資啊 質押等等的貸款你覺得應該做什麼樣的調整就是說剛剛我也有提到三個因素導致我們的存單我們的標1400億的那個存單只有差了100多億嘛主要原因第一個剛剛委員說的這個就是說資金流到股市去這是第一個 |
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第二個呢我們的AI的產業呢也非常熱絡的所以呢就是說銀行放款給AI的這個產業呢非常多對 多了只要跟AI有關係的產業都借得到錢第三個呢也剛好就是說五月六月剛好是繳稅的時候好 謝謝總裁我跟你分享一個事我最近就聽到就是很多產業界在分享說現在除了AI其他的產業都是BI |
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所以我為什麼這麼說呢就是說其他產業不好所以我們現在AI產業大概就36萬人這36萬人很好其他的產業其實都是天天哀嚎叫哭所以才會有在外面有這句話就是說我要請問總裁我們第七波的選擇性信用管制是不是會再一次的調降 |
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因為其他產業其實都非常的辛苦我們台灣不能只有AI也要其他產業一起發展你怎麼看這第七波我們會怎麼去處理我想這個就出於我剛剛說的我們18號理事會會委員會充分的去討論這個議題好不好 |
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我希望總裁也可以考慮台灣不能只有AI我們不能讓我們的船產全倒只有靠一支就是AI跟晶片產業不過我跟委員報告事實上今年以來我們的船產的出口廉政率是增加的但是我覺得不要差這麼大一個在這邊 一個在那邊好 謝謝總裁 謝謝 |
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下一位陳玉珍委員質詢 等一下閻光臣委員質詢完之後休息五分鐘來 請謝主席 我要請那個財政部部長請財政部莊部長 |
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現在金門這個小三通非常的這個熱絡熱絡到這個就是小三通您知道吧就是說台灣居民從這個金門地區坐飛機到金門坐船到大陸嘛小三通來回啦非常非常熱絡那熱絡的情況下造成我們金門現在的在地的居民不管要就醫啊或者是奔商啊等等的飛機票基本上都買不到非常非常困難 |
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那當然到大陸去那個船票也買不到,那是另外一件事都至少已經影響到金門在地居民的這個基本型的這個權利了那這些很多過境的這個小三通,這些旅客啊他們都只是從台灣坐飛機到金門,然後就坐船到大陸去啊也沒有留在金門做任何消費啊那一年現在也蠻多的,這樣一百來回一兩百萬 |
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那我們金門居民都在反映這嚴重影響到金門居民的行的權利他們也不消費 我們也沒有什麼收益那我們金門居民現在就是倡議對過境的旅客我們要求徵收過境的稅捐 |
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捐或是費用反正稅我們在想說是不是透過這個地方的這個縣議會這個地方稅法通則的部分然後來做一個刻一個特別的看是什麼樣的稅捐叫做地方稅我們用一個地方的稅的自治條例好 那這個事情很多年以前事實上已經金門縣政府就已經提案 |
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跟這個財政部請求啦 就請你們備查嘛 請你們要同意啦那也行文來 那你們那時候的報告有說 那是很多年前啦很多年前啦 你們駁回啊 你們說這個我們提出來了 然後我們司法性審查給財政部 財政部說以進出轄區非涉及之自然人為客徵對象恐不利於人力資源流動 損及國家利益 這當初財政部的說法 |
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那這個東西現在來講合理嗎 |
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跟委員報告委員很清楚剛剛提到地方政府可以依照地方稅法通則的規定來開徵所謂的特別稅客或臨時稅客或附加稅客都可以但它有一個但書就是說如果有損及國家整體利益或其他地方的公共利益者不得開徵這件事情損及什麼國家利益 |
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我知道那但是呢我想這個地方政府他要擬定這個所謂的自治條例然後報財政部的時候財政部是會召開相關的委員會來審查的那我以小山東這個例子損及什麼國家利益之前您剛剛提到的是之前曾經的部分那開會審查或者這樣的一個結論那我想這個部分呢如果地方政府還是要定的話我們還是要召開委員會來審查我想請問你我現在先問你政策方向吧 |
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現在我們如果開徵地方的稅責讓小三通的人變少嘛因為價錢 曾說的嘛那不是正好符合民進黨中央的兩岸政策嗎他不要台灣人到大陸去接受被統戰啊不要到大陸去做交流啊這個才是政治正確啊 |
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對不對 我們課稅以後錢變得比較多 很多人就比較不會過去啊因為那個成本比較高啊那你現在禁止 你說不讓我們課你是鼓勵更多人過去是嗎 你的政治正確嗎 |
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我想這個部分好我現在就問妳現在這個線如果要這樣做 妳要怎麼回答是民國93年曾經對 那是93年啦 對那現在是112年了 地方政府要訂的話依照程序的話我們會送委員會來做審議我現在就先請教妳的委員會還沒有開我不可以在這邊直接就幫委員會做決定妳跟我說有政策方向啊就是說我們現在讓經過小三通人因為多收錢 讓他錢收成本變高嘛 |
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這樣就讓可能有一些人就不會經過這條路過去嘛是這樣子政治比較正確吧你覺得呢我想這個部分我們召開委員會的話委員會 委員會 委員會你幫我研究一下這個在所以我不可能替委員會來做決論你不要退個委員會你告訴我這個可不可行你研究一下可不可行也可以研究 是對 因為你現在是現在民進黨的意思是說是希望少一點人過去嘛因為經過不要過去大陸嘛那我們課徵高一點嘛一千 兩千 三千 五千 |
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你研究一下可以嗎因為原來說是這樣子不利於人員流動那民進黨反正也不要人員流動啊而且我們為了我跟委員報告這還是法律的規定法律的規定兩個方法一個叫地方稅法通責另外一個當然我可以在禮堂今天的條例裡面徵涉一個法源要求說我一個法源說讓地方可以去徵收這樣的稅責你覺得哪個方向比較好 |
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我想跟我們報告離島建設條例因為是屬於國發會主管這個到時候還是有會問你們因為我們要設這個給一個法院讓地方去徵這個稅如果你們不同意我們也是要徵我們要給一個法院要哪個方向你比較偏好啦我想這個部分還是需要再做研議 |
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你的方向呢 你自己的想法呢你覺得我們應該讓地方 直接在地方算好通則科了以後 經過地方議會刪讀這還要經過地方民意同意嘛報你們備查比較好了 對不對還是說是乾脆從李老金的條例來做讓有個法院讓地方政府去做 |
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你找建設條例屬於國發會主管我還是跟委員報告那所以通則你如果訂的話報財政部財政部會有委員會來審議嘛所以結果你是委員會的議員嗎我不是委員會那哪一些是委員會的委員會是外聘的專家我把這個題目給你喔 |
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那妳認為呢 妳個人立場呢我想這裡不宜就個人立場來表達妳身為一個財政部國家部會首長竟然沒有任何立場 站在國家的立場呢站在國家的立場支持不支持法律的規定 我們依照法律的途徑來做現在以前財政部以前財政部說的財政部說的 |
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這個對這個自然人非涉及的自然人當課程對象不利人利流動損及國家利益這句話現在你支不支持這個當時是應該是民國93年那時候對阿現在呢現在你覺得這句話還可用嗎這句話的話是委員會當時的審議最後還是要回到委員會去審議阿現在呢 |
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請央行央總裁 |
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全台的台風金馬買賣移動的變化移轉房仲業者統計這麼多縣市2024跟2025金門還增加 年增率1.02%全台都在minus 都增減買賣變少金門增加這個是2024跟2025的數據 |
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我們今天的房價現在在最好的那個重劃區那裡一坪大概三四十萬大概已經算是也不我個人認為也很不便宜啦這個大概跟新北的一些地方差不多啦好那你們這個 |
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管制嘛因為6月份不又要開會了嗎你們這個管制喔事實上整個來講好像整個房地產的這個價錢波動相當小喔只有下修1.1%嘛但是建商想法是不一樣啊因為通膨嘛成本也增加的確是成本也增加所以建商覺得他們事實上已經少賺了啦投資客當然也很少現在也沒有人要買房子大部分都沒有人他們都去買股票了嘛大部分現在都房地產大概是那 |
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我聽說你們要說這個軟著陸那你看三個方向嘛政策開發商然後購屋的民眾購屋民眾也沒有覺得房地產跌嘛因為一趴也是很無感嘛然後開發商就覺得自己又少賺因為事實上成本也增加通膨啊成本啊最近廢塗啊什麼各方面也是增加很多成本大家都看到那您的這個方向呢 |
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我想我跟委員報告因為我們6月18號6月18號是我們禮監事禮監事會禮監事會的前10天基本上所有的委員都是緘默期就有這一次的所有的所以如果7號來問你就可以回答那大概是可以的 |
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因為這個我們也不是說請召委特別就是說把它排在這一天的那是剛好是碰巧的是剛好碰巧的那你整體的思考一下是是是 我們會 我想我跟委員報告就是說委員在那一天會充分來討論各項的議題然後做出 |
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就整體的經濟 金融房地產也沒有跌嘛但是建商也覺得很苦嘛因為剛剛看到股票的發展大家也覺得這個產業很苦但是老百姓也無感嘛但是實在是面對一個相當兩難的情形 |
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那你們的 當你堅持打到現在好像也沒什麼可能有一點點效果預期心理的改變這個我承認這個是有啦但整個實際的是影響也很小那我想請問財政部財政部的新青庵的7月31號退場以後2.0你們這個因為之前房地產漲的一個原因是新青庵那之前幾年前這個新青庵這樣整個飛起來財政部有什麼這個嗎會不會讓新青庵2.0再變成房價推升的助力 |
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新西安當時推出的時候正好在房地產市場在上揚的時候所以因為新西安推出可能讓他會加速的一個 |
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上升那這一次2.0推出的時候當然我們也會在審慎的考量房地產市場的現況民眾的需求還有金融市場的準備等等這個都是我們在推出新的在方案的時候都會把它考慮進去央行也要非常小心這個現在勺子壞是因為地產那個實在是很辛苦了地產這個年輕人都很難買房子謝謝總委員謝謝委員下一位請顏寬能委員質詢 |
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主席各位聯席觀眾大家好主席有請中央銀行總裁楊總裁 |
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中央銀行將在6月18日召開第二季禮監事會議市場最關注的就是我國的貨幣政策利率政策的走向以及房市管制是否會再進行調整依據主計總署的預估今年GDP成長高達9.64% |
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創下16年新高但是同時我們也注意到主席總署公布的CPI年增率預測值上修至1.93%已經逼近了通膨警戒線請問央行是否會同步上修今年的GDP及消費值指數CPI會不會 |
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我在想因為我們當時我們是用86塊平均就全年的平均86塊現在大概是已經下來下來的大概是90塊左右如果說是平均如果說他全年平均會在高於85塊 譬如說90塊或95塊的話那可能我們會上修但是可能對 |
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這是會跟這個1.9%以下6月18號的禮監事會有可能會上修所以央行是我們本身的上修不是上修那個不是上修這個組織總署央行強調說通膨的預期心理是否回升是啟動升息一個重要的這個觀察指標對美國5月非農業介入報告強勁非農業介入人口數 |
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大增了17.2萬人那經濟學者認為說這份就業報告更顯示聯準會近期沒有降息的打算反而預計說會最快在今年的10月份FED就會升息啊所以請問楊總裁我國是否會提前在第二季也就是6月18號的禮監事會也會來研議升息的部分 |
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所以我就說嘛剛好就18號那我們前10天所有的委員包括我自己都是兼募期 |
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就是對於我們的貨幣政策的走向是怎麼呢是最好是在這段期間不要發言不過我也可以跟委員報告就是說美國的這個情況還有ECB的這個情況你所提出來的資訊是很正確的美國到目前為止美國現在就是說因為他的那個揮農就業 |
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很好所以現在市場都認為就是說美國在今年底以前都有可能升息ECB它的通膨率也非常高所以人家也都說市場說預期它可能會再升息但是說主計總數公布的GDP成長率高達9.64% |
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但是大多數的民眾並對此沒有實質上的感受所以說現在民眾對於物價上漲的體感遠高於我們官方公布的這些通膨數據那如果說企業在進行所謂的薪資談判產品定價或者是投資決策的時候已經不再 |
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以官方公布的通膨數據來作為依據而是根據自身感受還有生活成本及經營成本上升的幅度來做一個調整的行為是不是意味著說通膨預期其實在社會的層面已經形成甚至已經擴散那央行如何評估這種統計上尚未達標但是社會預期心理已經升溫的現象 |
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第二個又如何避免因為過度依賴受到政策干預的CPI指數而低估了潛在的通膨預期風險進而形成對於貨幣政策的一個判斷上的盲點我跟委員報告事實上呢我們CPI就是說以這個來講的話是因為就是說我們 |
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就是說因為你的油價這是供給面的因素那導致呢政府用供給面的措施來來那這個呢這種呢不能說是扭曲他啦不能說扭曲他事實上呢我跟委員報告在這供給面發生的問題呢用 |
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貨幣政策就是說用需求面要來治理來解決它是沒有效果的所以政府來用供給面用就凍帳的這個方式它是正確的俄烏戰爭你看俄烏戰爭也是政府用供給面的措施你看全球其他的國我們台灣是一個高度依賴進口能源的經濟體能源原物料還有國際運輸成本這些都是直接影響國內物價走勢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
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所以從這個角度來看穩定而且相對強勢的新台幣應該是對抗輸入性通膨的一個重要的工具之一事實上我跟委員報告相較之下要選擇維持利率不變但是台美利差又持續高於這個水位的時候那是不是等於一定程度上我們削弱了匯率來緩衝輸入性通膨的功能 |
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| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
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到目前為止我跟委員報告沒有輸入性通膨你剛剛也有提到就說是現在的通膨預期已經是在高漲了沒有事實上到目前為止沒有怎麼會沒有呢沒有沒有你如果說像以這個1.93%如果全年來講的話他還是在2%的警戒線之下畢竟呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
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就已經逼近了你一定要突破2%嗎就已經逼近那個警戒鏡頭我跟委員報告所以我剛剛也有在提2%不是說你到達2%那就是一定要提高利率不是這樣子新年3月份的李建設婚姻之後 |
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適度鬆綁了第七波選擇性信用管制措施將第二戶購屋貸款的上限由五成調高到六成目前市長對於第二月份的理監事會的政策走向因為存在著強大的不確定性一方面說央行持續強調不動產的貸款因為集中度偏高 |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
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所以房價也沒有明顯的修正所以必須要維持一定強度的一定程度的信用管制當然另一方面我們台灣經濟成長在AI投資跟出口需求的帶動下GDP成長率的預估高於 優於過去幾年企業獲利還有股市財富效果以及民間投資的動能都有所提升 |
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那想要請教總裁在景氣回溫的一個背景之下市場資金是否有可能再度的流向不動產那進而又推升了房價跟交易熱度那央行會不會擔心說民眾對於房價上漲的預期再度的有預期升溫啦會有這種預期啦所以使過去一年多來這個信任管制所建立的降溫效果受到挑戰 |
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你會不會擔心我們都是持續地在密切注意情況的發展 |
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那這個是不是就所謂的擔心事實上我們是密切的注意到我要請教就是說6月份的理監事會議將以哪些關鍵指標作為評估房市政策是否調整這第一個第二個就是說央行是否不排除重新採取更嚴格的管理手段避免房市因為景氣 |
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這樣子又再次的過熱這兩點我想就是說誠如我剛剛所說的因為18號是禮監事會所以10天之內不過根據剛剛委員所問的這些的問題我相信我們在禮事會的記者會裡面我們會來充分的來說明包括委員剛剛所提問的這些的問題 |
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我相信不只是說委員會有這樣的一個提問事實上記者也會來引用委員的擔心所以我想我們會充分的來說明我們希望說央行在未來的政策決策能夠兼顧最主要是物價穩定跟金融的穩定讓貨幣政策能夠根據前瞻性跟穩健性讓我們回應社會對於經濟穩定的一個期待好不好 |
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現在休息五分鐘 |
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歡迎光臨 |
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好現在要繼續開會了請大家回座來請大家回座我們下一位諮詢人請李坤城委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席我們請楊總裁請楊朗楊總裁 |
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李委員早早上我有聽委員在問你有關最近股市是不是有點過熱最近又有點修正你剛才說這幾天股市的修正是健康的我想聽一下總裁的說法 |
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因為股市就是比較怕股市是比較怕就是一直衝衝衝沒有下調如果說我有下修的話這是健康的不然的話如果說一直垂直上去的話那不大好這個是我的意見 |
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那可是之前央行也出一份報告說市場資金過度集中於AI相關的產業恐怕會加劇股市下行的脆弱性那是不是跟這幾天股市的震盪有相關性 |
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事實上我們那個穩定報告我們是引用IMF的說法本來你們也認同才會引用基本上對如果說就我們台灣的情況來看的話我們台灣應該還好啦我們的AI還算是很健全的我們AI是發展得非常好 |
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那股市是因為AI的關係然後呢它往上再上升這個也是正常啦只是說如果說速度太快資源太過集中到那邊的時候呢那麼主管機關就必須要注意那這一點呢據我了解呢我們金管會呢對這個問題呢它也有在密切的注意然後呢資訊呢它都有掌握當中 |
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因為錢你總會流到他 |
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他獲利最高的地方去這個是很自然的如果說這個產業假如說這個產業他就是沒辦法沒辦法的時候呢以市場的mechanism他的一個機制來看的話資金不會跑到那邊去 |
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那如果說政府認為就是說這個也是有支援的產業的話那政府必須要去協助他那你如果說是由市場的機制來講的話當然市場的資金他是往最有利的地方流去這是很自然的 |
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不過現在的確資金有往股市那個方向去流動了連央行在6月3號有標售364天期的定存單1400億元結果第一個不足而發行 |
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第二個呢 因為這樣子所以你的得票利率呢還衝到這個1.523%這18年的新高這表示是不是表示說這個市場資金過去可能會買這個央行的定存單但是發現說你的這個利率不夠高往股市那邊走了 |
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所以我剛剛也講到就是說為什麼會不足而發行有三個原因第一個就是說它的資金市場的資金往股市那邊去這是第一個第二個就是說因為我們的AI也是熱絡所以就是說我們銀行就是放款給AI的相關產業它也比較多就沒有錢來買你的計程單就是了那第三點也是剛好就是說五六月剛好是繳稅的期間 |
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那 |
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這個央行有總裁有觀察到說最近有借買房市的錢去炒股的這個新型的這個融資槓桿嗎 |
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我看報紙有這麼說不過據我們了解是也有這樣的一個現象所以我剛剛也是在講事實上金管會對於信用就是股市的信用因為股市的信用很大一部分是從券商那邊給他的對不對不過券商的那些錢也有一部分是從銀行來的 |
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所以我們也必須要注意它所以也就是說我們也是會密切注意這些的資金流向的一個情況我們也會密切注意它安徽圍有這樣的情況發生嗎 |
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那是啊會有啊當然會有這種當然會因為為什麼呢因為他認為就是說因為現在我想大家都知道就是說因為我們的AI是發展得很好 |
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他的dividend也非常好他的獲利也非常好所以我們的股民是不擔心的所以你看看最近標上去了又collection下來然後又上去然後又collection下來我都認為這都是正常的 |
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通常來講 央行為了防止股市過熱當然也有一些政策上面的調整的做法基本上有兩個一個就是調升存款的準備率另外一個就是升息我不曉得說央行在目前的情況之下會不會啟動這兩種手段 |
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我跟委員報告就很抱歉啦因為6月18號剛好是我們禮監事禮監事會那我們前10天這一段期間是緘默期緘默期不過就是說這個到6月18號的話委員充分討論了以後會有一個結果 |
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那結果呢 我們的結果 我們的結論 我們的政策會走向會是怎麼樣呢到時候的 我也只是說如果股市過熱才會有這些手段嘛那你如果認為股市不會過熱也不會有這些手段嗎不過就是說 剛剛也就是說在講就是說你的政策是不是一個預防性的 |
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如果說我們是覺得就是說如果說你會目前會是這樣子但是呢他藉著那個健康的correction的話那你就不必要再去那個因為市場他本身會除非就是說市場失靈了那當然中央銀行呢也必須要密切的注意他 |
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在必要的時候也不能讓一個星星之火會燎原所以必須要密切注意所以這個是一個就是說主管機關必須要去注意它的一個總裁講話都很深的慘意所以我本來以為是說總裁意思是說藉由這個股市的市場自動的健康的去調節可是後來我聽到說 |
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這個不要讓這個心心之火可以療癒又覺得說好像會有一些採取一些預防性的一些動作 |
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所以我才一直在強調說 主管機關一定要密切注意他 也是在這裡你不能就說市場都是他在做這樣一個發展的時候呢那你還是就是說站在旁邊看不去很密切的分析他 注意他那這樣就失職了謝謝總裁 那我請莊部長財政部莊部長 |
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委員好部長大家都很關心新青安2.0因為新青安在7月底就要屆滿了2.0我是想請教一下部長因為其實政府現在有很多利多的一些政策包含跟財政部有相關的也有房屋稅 地價稅的減免最多可以減到零我再請你問一下 |
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目前我看到所有的報導大概是說這個新清安會2.0會有一些緊縮的一些政策那甚至有一些排富的一些門檻那我想請教一下那可是因為我們這個育兒的這個或是對婚育宅對新婚夫妻我覺得還是要有點還是要協助嘛也不能說這個政府他在這個這個或是行政院講了這麼多的利多政策出來之後可是在我們新清安 |
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2.0看不到這些利多的政策所以我請問一下部長我們在新簽2.0這部分對於這個新婚夫妻或是育有小孩的這些家庭有沒有什麼樣一個利多的一些政策 |
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謝謝委員 新疆7月30屆期後後續會做怎麼樣的規劃我們都持續在跟相關部會討論當然我們5月的時候總統還有院長都有宣布所謂的人口政策裡面家庭支持篇也就是協助婚育家庭減輕他們的負擔有諸多的政策 |
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那新青安這個部分我們在討論的時候會把婚姻家庭的一些相關的部分也會討論進來做一定的考慮現在的首購族是這個1000萬的這個額度嘛那我們對這個婚姻家庭的這個貸款額度有沒有辦法再提高提高到這個1200或是說1500啊這或許是可以考慮的方向因為婚姻家庭或許他需要的面積會是比較大的 |
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所以這是一個考慮的一個方向最後有結果的時候會有一個完整的方案跟社會做大眾做報告所以會往這個方向去做就對了會 委員您今天的建議也是我們會納入參考的對啊 我想說這個政策要一致嘛總不能說你這個因為政策有很多的這些禮包出來結果在星期二點裡面看不到啊 |
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對 委員您今天的建議我們會把它納入一併參考是 OK謝謝李昆成委員 謝謝下一位請賴會員委員質詢謝謝主席有請那個央行總裁請央行央總裁 |
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總裁早安我想也是針對的台灣通膨的一個議題再度的破警戒線剛才我聽到你跟好幾位委員就是在講的CPI它的連增力到2%左右的一個震盪大家其實老百姓是非常有感的尤其是通貨膨脹的這種 |
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這種感受 這個物價上漲的其實是非常明顯的可是行政院跟央行的說法有沒有一致好像顯然不太一致行政院的說法是說去年5月的CPI較高那是去年同期的一個基期偏低它不是輝輸入性的一個通膨 |
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那你們的說法跟主計處又有一點不太一樣總而言之我想主計總署在密切注意物價的內涵跟我們在注意物價的內涵都是一致的我們不會有所差別 |
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所以我們不會存在那個認知上的一個落差所以我們這一個國際能源的價格也不會就是影響到我們的CPI |
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國際能源所以我剛剛也在說明事實上也好在就是說我們行政院的這種供給面的一個政策讓我們的物價能夠穩定下來不然的話你看看現在很多像那個像歐元區的物價也蠻高的你看看那個美國的物價也是高的 |
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你看日本的物價也是高的我們台灣的物價相較之下就是因為我們有供給面的措施才會導致我們的物價是平穩的所以就是說我們央行基本上就是說在整體的一個政策上其實我們是非常精準抓得住的 |
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也是 應該是那如果我們針對CPI未來的一個走勢的一個臆測行政院他的判斷 他說接下來幾個月的CPI還是會維持高檔 這個是一個問號喔那央行的判斷如果正確的話你們認為國際局勢會帶來第二波是不是會帶來第二波的通膨 |
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所以這個委員也問得很好就是說這個局勢 這個局勢就是說現在的局勢來看的話主要的還是美伊戰爭美伊戰爭原先都以為說它會在短時間它會結束 |
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但是這一次稍微有一點不太一樣它這一次稍微長了一點長了一點 不過到目前為止好像它是慢慢再下來了所以如果說我們看看今天的油價的話它已經是下來到90塊左右了 |
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所以你認為如果用油價一桶90塊的話顯然我們可以看到了這一個戰爭可能是已經盡到尾聲了是是所以重點是這個樣子嗎是是一般應該是這樣子一般是這樣子對所以呢主要的機構在預測這個通膨的時候呢油價是很關鍵的 |
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如果說這個油價一直維持在120那這樣的話呢通膨的這個就會一直上去如果說下來的話就會影響就是說如果油價他一直下來的話基本上我們受影響的這個程度就會比較少就會比較少 |
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好 如果總裁講得非常記體不過還是在這裡跟總裁再做一個討論如果台股繼續創歷史的新高這個狂熱的行情的背後一定我們潛在的一些風險的隱憂 |
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你有沒有做什麼樣的一個準備跟調整啊是 所以我現在講到的是世代世代這個世代同堂啊是 我跟你講在我們南部是世代一起投入股市啊是啦對阿祖就開始賺了賺到這些 賣賣少說賺啦 |
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就是開始投資股市了所以就是說我們看到了這麼多年輕的這些小白的這個股票組那這麼狂熱的一個行情背後的一個隱憂那總裁我想請教總裁就是說如何加強金融這個穩定啊這個也是央行的一個業務那你會不會擔心就是說投資人的一個心態啊 |
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是 我想第一個我跟委員報告台股的發展股市這個方面主管機關是金管會那金管會據我了解他是很密切的注意這一波的一個情況那事實上就中央銀行我們也是密切注意剛剛你在講的這些基本上我們都有掌握住 |
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那所以呢也就是說我們在密切的觀察當中呢這個投資文化會變成這麼熱會變成投機文化這個是我們非常擔心的一個問題特別是Leverage啦借錢來借錢如果說用自己的錢來投資的話那損傷那還可以喔如果說他是借錢來投資那導致如果說他下來的話修正下來的時候呢那然後他斷頭或怎麼樣 |
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所以這個除了金管會的業務以外我們還是要再提醒你投資的門檻是大幅的降低所以我看到我們每天搭高鐵看到高鐵上太多人看手機是在看盤 |
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大學生討論的是股票 簽名是ETF你看到社群網站都沒有在講政治的事情全部都是在講如何投資所以就是說金融的穩定風險的評估也是央行的全責之家那你把之前投資股 |
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就是黃地產的這些錢然後賺到這些錢又移到了這個股市大家其實財富累積的模式是變成一個很大的一個翻轉那央行有沒有對應的方案這個方案是什麼 |
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我想委員的一個對市場的提醒還有對中央的提醒我覺得委員是提醒的非常好是非常好那我剛剛也已經講了中央銀行是會密切的注意這個發展的好 我跟你說總裁你繼續密切的觀看好 是會的因為我也知道你是剛才那個李昆城委員說你是一個那個 |
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那個什麼寫者啊他是說你是那個易經的寫者我看你躲避球打得比較好謝謝那個請財政部部長 |
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鼓勵生意的一個新政策生意的一個新政策以前我要特別跟部長做一個拜託也跟部長做一個提醒台灣銀行8000多位員工其實現在的士氣非常非常的好 |
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因為我們有非常認真的一個團隊在這一個地方那這個沒有錢是絕對做不了事沒有一個很好的福利這個沒有辦法讓我們的員工是 |
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鼓勵生意的新政策 |
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如果說像這個出生到成長政府全力的支持那五大面向18項措施已經公布了那在這個18歲以下的一個免稅額就是要跟部長來探討說未成年的免稅額提高到15萬15有沒有機會讓他增加到19萬9為什麼呢因為我覺得如果我們用那個 |
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我們基本上用我們我們自己的一個稅收來看的話每年每年的總額就是說6.1兆多那我們拿2008年每一年的新生兒的人口數當然這一個數字是 |
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現在那個比較是一個參考值啦可是如果就是說在那個2008他如果18歲以下大概是落在320萬人每人的免稅額在15.15萬的時候大概是 |
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4848億比起原先的3104億的話那多出了1844億所以我希望就是你去做一個了解如果我們就是用每個人是19.4萬的話那大概是6208億那只佔了我們總首的10% |
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10%左右那有沒有機會我們把它提升到19.4萬你把這個會後把這個整個研究報告給我好不好提出一個完整的評估報告我們提出面報告謝謝委員謝謝下一位請劉淑冰委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 請央行楊總裁請央行楊總裁 |
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劉委員早總裁早我們看到央行他宣示115年新台幣要全面改版要導入到ESG的理念本席這表示支持希望能夠真正的落實要從鈔券的職才來通談的檢討我國現在的一個 |
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紙鈔的主要質材是純棉紙但是耐摺但是在高溫的天氣潮濕還有傳統的市場跟夜市文化我們的鈔卷常常在長明間的飲食的桌轉率很高而且會吸引就是吸附了汗水跟油脂而汙損軟爛 |
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台幣的汰換率就居高不下了所以平凡要收回再銷毀然後再重試造成很大的資源浪費對於減碳其實是不利的我們看到其他國家的例子英國澳洲還有新加坡他們採取的高流通 |
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面額的紙鈔都採取防水還有抗汙還有壽命比較高的這個聚合物的塑膠鈔卷那想要問的是總裁你這邊對於說新台幣改版是一個國家大事真的要做到綠色金融的話也是很重要的一個契機那您是不是可以來討論一下就是說這次的改版要採用的是什麼樣的一個制裁 |
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好事實上我也可以來回答委員不過我是不是允許我們的發行局的局長來比較詳細的來回答委員的問題好那我就請我們的鄧局長好鄧局長好是委員您好那這個聚合物的這個材質也就是塑膠鈔卷嘛您指的是這個是 |
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這個塑膠鈔卷第一個成本比較高第二個呢它的這個摺疊之後它不容易回復它的原狀那相對於我們現在的棉質鈔卷呢我們是因為國人使用鈔卷比較有摺疊的習慣那棉質鈔卷是比較符合我們的國情 |
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那這樣的話 可是它這樣子回收的部分你是不是可以把就免職的職財的還有或是就這個聚合物的部分或是你們還有各種更好的選項在折衷在它的使用度跟它的義務性這部分做一個有一些報告的討論 |
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是 我們會做深入的研究基本上我們會使用更環保的材質所以你們有別的方向選擇嗎永續棉 例如是永續棉因為現在歐元現在就是用永續棉了這個是非常環保的 |
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那你們方向是另外一種職材嗎還是繼續在免職或是其他的永續的包括成本我是不是可以請說就耐用度啊剛才你說的易擇性嘛還有說環境的探足機跟後端的回收這部分就一個財政跟環境效益這邊做一個報告就你未來可能的就我剛才說這兩個現在已經存在的跟我們我剛才舉的例子聚合物的部分或是還有你們更先進的等等的能夠回復這幾個重視到這 |
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三種的利益當中去兼顧然後做一個報告給本市是可以可以那三個月時間可以嗎可以OK好謝謝那請央行總裁我再繼續再請教您就是我們可以看到下一個一個資訊在 |
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今年在投資外國債券跟股票的這個成果方面非常豐碩也變成的是說我國的國庫裡面呢一個很重要的一個盈餘所在好像今年115年看到說你們的當中非稅客收入裡面3816億當中呢預計就是江航的這個這個非稅客的盈餘就達到這兩千嘛 兩千億但是現在有個問題就想請教因為國際間都知道的是 |
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央行的最重要的目的是要維持物價跟金融的穩定那會不會說因為有國際情勢的這個高度的變遷還有風險環境如果再遇到說因為如果未來有升息然後結果央行的這個因為日息的支出就增多了導致盈餘大減盈餘減少的情況下我想問的是說在盈餘的減少跟我們的貨幣的穩定跟物價穩定當中 |
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央行會採取什麼樣的態度來因應我跟委員報告 委員提出來這個問題是非常好的但是我也要跟委員報告事實上我們中央銀行法我們中央銀行法的第二條我們經營目標裡面就沒有腳褲追向 |
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我們是金融穩定物價穩定還有匯率的穩定在這種情況之下我們協助經濟的成長所以我們在我們的經營的目標裡面從來都沒有提到說要腳步的這件事 |
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所以呢也就是說不會因為我們為了就是說為了腳褲然後呢我們來犧牲我們的這個經營的目標所以呢從以前到現在呢都可以來印證我們中央銀行的一個政策目標我們都達到了 |
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在我们政策目标达到的情况之下因为我们也有外业存底所以外业存底呢我们的经营原因则是第一个要提高它的流动性它的安全性之后呢善良管理人我们中央院长是善良管理人的一个善良管理人的 |
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9743.885 |
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的角色呢我們去盡量的來讓我們的營運也能夠增加所以我們來經營我們的objective裡面沒有沒有腳褲這一項所以絕對不會我在這裡來跟委員報告就是說很嚴肅的跟委員報告絕對不會發生 |
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好這樣因為我們知道我們現在的財政上面的是除了因為經濟情況這個證交稅這邊的稅收有增加但是整體看起來因為我們現在包括還要有很多的安心的一個生小孩這種計畫看起來是造福增加但我知道這部分可能就是要請教到時候財政部怎麼樣是維持著一個財務的一個穩定狀況對不對我覺得您現在 |
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我必須要高度的暫時就是中央銀行就維持你的這個銀行的獨立性非常棒對我們絕對會的按照那個委員的一個這個指示我們絕對會的好謝謝請回座那下一個問題呢就想要請教的是財政部那請財政部莊部長請莊部長 |
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委員好 部長我們知道您是主管的公營的銀行那我們看到的是公營的銀行這邊尤其在台銀跟土銀這邊過去都是早期是台大跟政大高材生的首選但是到今年的他的一個考試當中 |
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的錄取率呢就升到18但是只有2000人齁才去報考啦等於說5個人就很快的一個錄取率但是這個環境呢我們希望說能夠採取的是有一個優秀的人才進入到我們的這個公營銀行當中啦那當然是有少子化的影響可是最重要的是可以看到跟私民銀行的這個差距當中啊年終 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9874.592 |
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獎金就是才能維持台銀是4.4個月但是民營銀行動則是7、8個月起跳以上的這種差距之下優秀人才的一個讓他引進來面對這樣的公營銀行的顏財荒財政部長您有什麼樣的一個方法解方來幫助公營銀行是 謝謝委員對我們公 |
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9901.898 |
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對於所謂的國營銀行的一個關照那我想對於就是您剛剛講的4.4個月的部分的績效獎金這當年應該是立法院的一個決議把從4.6降為4.4那這個部分我們也希望能夠讓他們回復到4.6這個部分那如果這樣再改就需要變什麼法呢你如果這樣講這是我們立法院的決議是不是 |
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9902.618 |
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對 是不是當時是102年的一個立法院的決議看一下好不好就是一個決議它的法律效率是怎麼樣法律效率當然我們行政部門就是遵守啊這個部分確實是在哪裡啊 |
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我們是不是會後提供給委員當時因為我們知道法律的立法院的決議跟如果是法律上面的規定有這樣的一個法位上的法規上面要去遵守的這個優先順序如果這部分我想說4.4個月事實上應該是可以做一下調整如果是我們先看到法律位階上面可以做一下調整那除了這個之外其他的部分您的建議是什麼可能是怎麼樣是比較合理的 |
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其他的部分財政部也都以分別報有關相關的一個行政院第一個在生育補助的部分那行政院已經通案就每一台可以有10萬元的部分那另外像在伙食費的部分還有員工酬勞以及辦理員工福利信託等等我們也都有提相關的建議目前在人種會同相關機關在研議當中 |
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好那這樣是不是請財政部就這樣子的公國營的銀行這部分呢跟營營銀行這部分你們現在所提就是對於待遇的調整包括全面性的待遇調整跟本席做一個報告書面報告看直接做一個比較那我們看立法院怎麼樣可以做一個提升幫助到財政部這邊部分謝謝委員的支持我們提供相關的書面報告好謝謝劉書斌委員下一位諮詢委員請王世堅委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席我請央行總裁 央總裁央行 央總裁王仁 早總裁你辛苦了謝謝 謝謝你一直以來的鼓勵 |
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這兩個月以來我們台灣的股市這個漲幅可以說是在全世界股市裡面我們算是漲幅比例最高的那這當然是非常正面啦代表我們台灣的經濟津津向榮我們台灣的高科技領航了全世界這都是事實可是還是有一些隱憂我們必須要做一些政府要有一些 |
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聲明一些勸阻的動作也必須要做就是說我們因應這一次股市這麼強烈那民間到現在為止已經有四十一萬七千人把房屋增貸然後增貸以後的資金全部投入股市那這樣子的方式這種高風險的操作啊 |
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萬一有個是發生有個挫折的時候那那個後果大家可想而知那麼我相信楊總裁你記得1990年那一次的股災那一次的股災也是一樣那有那麼多的民眾 |
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數十萬戶的民眾去增貸那增貸也是投入股市結果股災一發生不但存款都沒了積蓄都沒了房子還要被法拍所以為了避免萬一有這樣的情況發生我在想總裁是不是 |
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您這邊應該通令我們所有的銀行告訴他們說要提醒投資人尤其借款人要清楚要查明借款人借款用途 |
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這個借款用途這些資金借了之後是投到哪邊就我所知現在銀行所報給我的資料都知道說借款人除了被詐騙的以外詐騙集團騙走的以外其他的錢大概全部投到股市所以這個部分我想是不是你應該積極的下去做 |
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是 我覺得委員的提醒是非常好的非常好的 而且我也跟委員報告除了我就說主管機關像金管會他密切注意這些的情況事實上我也跟委員報告事實上我們也有去分析 |
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去分析就是說在這個項目這個銀行他在這一方面的借款的情況是怎麼樣我們基本上我們有掌握一些的資料有掌握一些資料我們是自由法治民主的國家啦當然 |
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所有權人這個財產的擁有者當然有絕對他自己支配權那他愛去做怎樣的投資這個都是自由的不過我們還是必須適度的提醒適度的提醒當然啦這一次的股票漲這麼多高科技大躍進 |
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那很多專家也都解釋說這可能是另外一次的工業革命那帶來的當然也可能確實是一個經濟的大躍進不過 |
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不可否認的這種躍進這種工業革命帶來的好處成果可能必須更多年後甚至十年二十年才會具體又展現到那樣子的成績跟成果那但是許多無辜的 |
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這借款人或者小資族那因為他們不了解到全面性的時候他資金借帶來的資金可能沒辦法允許那麼長期的利息支出這也會產生問題是是是我剛才問股票的這個過程即便一路漲 |
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大好 也是中間會有停頓會有調整的休息期所以這些部分你們是專家那各銀行他們也應該是專家儘管會包括財政部好不好那時間暫停總裁您先稍待一會我請莊部長也一起上來 |
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中部長所以你轄下這九大公營行戶你也應該就是要要求他們去查明剛才我說的這一項好不好房貸增貸用到股市去那麼這個部分也應該查明甚至主動跟借管戶做一個勸阻說明可不可以我想對於這個股市這個狀況那個我們的 |
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資本市場的主管機關金管會也非常的重視那我們銀行也必須要遵守相關的金融的規範這是一定要的尤其公營銀行庫因為土地銀行他光存款就四兆他做的又是土地房屋的專業貸款我別的地方貸不到跟他貸都會貸得到所以你特別要提醒他我特別提醒他那再來就是我要問部長跟總裁的就是這個主權基金 |
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去年賴總統就職一周年的時候他再一次強調他說要提出要成立我們國家主權基金那今年的520啊這個卓院長他在記者會的時候他也說了他也再一次又提到要成立我們國家主權基金 |
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那麼這一年多來我們大家對國家主權基金討論很多但是到現在似乎談完了就沒有定案連往哪個方向動用哪一部分的資金現在都還沒確定所以我一直不懂像韓國啦 |
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韓國他國家發展先進的程度完全不如我們台灣那麼他擁有的外匯存底也不能跟台灣相比結果他在2005年他就成立了國家主權基金不打緊到前年為止啊他的國家基金他們的資產總額高達1690億美金 |
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有五兆兩千億這麼多所以可見我們 |
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好好的規劃國家主權基金好好的經營我們的成果應該會比韓國還要更好那現在對於就是說我要請問你們就是說第一個到底進行的怎麼樣第二點我們要用的資金來源是用外匯存體讓他有長波用還是說財政部要發行國家特別公債或者是說 |
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我們要將超徵的稅收那麼裡面一定的財政盈餘一定的比例來用所以這三個方向你們現在大概是評估了怎麼樣 |
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我跟委員報告這個評估基本上行政院是委由國發會來整個規劃這個案子也有討論過幾次剛剛委員所講的資金的來源也是有這樣討論過不過 |
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前沒多久那個院長也有提到就是說因為這個有priority院長的意思就是說如果要成立的話一定要成功所以他很謹慎的去規劃它這是院裡面的一個態度不過我要在這裡來跟委員報告就是說 |
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在資金的一個的這個資金的籌措的這個部分呢我們都會配合那個政府的一個看他是要成立的是就像GIC一樣的呢或是剛剛委員所說的是KIC啊或是說是那個淡馬錫的這個我們都會配合 |
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我怕的就是這一句話啦我怕的就是說您這邊跟莊部長這邊都說反正國家最後上位政策怎麼決定那我們啊中央行 |
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財政部我們都配合為什麼我說我怕這句話因為確實是國發會主導他去規劃但是對於金融這一個部分對於資金的部分這個籌措的部分你們兩個才是最專業包括金管會主委 |
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你們三位才應該是資金來源最大的一個專業的考量來源應該是從你們所以我認為國發會去規劃不是不好喔但是國發會不能再沒有這些專業的 |
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背景的知識之下天馬行空的去想那就不好所以我一直要你們兩位表態講清楚說你們認為到底資金要怎麼來籌措你們的看法是什麼樣 |
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所以我剛剛也跟委員報告了就中央銀行我們可以拿出來的這個部分因為籌措的話當然就像GIC的話它也有就是說是政府的錢它也有政府的錢也有中央銀行賣給它的外溢存體都有所以這個就是說一定要是在國發會出來開這個會的時候我們很明確的跟他講 |
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這樣才有辦法因為時間我最後只是告訴你說我想探究的類似這樣你回去想一下就是說原來原先你是反對用外匯存底現在你有同意有條件的就是說有長波用外匯存底你同意 |
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下一位請蘇清泉委員質詢蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在請黃孟楷委員質詢 |
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四分鐘來主席謝謝麻煩請我們央行請央行楊總裁 |
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這個不分黨派啊但是如果說能夠為中華民國的主權基金然後來努力的話其實我們都應該往這個方向是是是沒有問題所以其實我就follow剛剛這個我們委員的一個講法就是說在 |
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主權基金來講因為現在國發會提的是有償的取得外匯存底的一個模式但是之前央行也多次提出說強調外匯存底其實是維持金融穩定是喔沒有錯穩定匯率嘛其實某種程度上如果說把個人來想的話他就有點像是定存的概念對不對是相對來講是保本的部分所以 |
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本席剛剛也想要再一次請教一下總裁因為您是專業我也希望是說能夠用專業的角度來看待是說如果真的要成立主權基金的話認為最重要的前提到底是資金的來源治理的架構還是投資的目標明確定位 |
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委員在這方面你也提出了這個我覺得很好最主要的就是說第一個我們必須要來確定一下就是說我們是要做財務的操作或是要做對於企業的一個支持是 |
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如果說是對企業的支持的時候呢那麼恐怕那個架構這個是一個架構的問題剛剛委員如果說是支持企業的這個部分呢那可能就是要Themasec的方式 |
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那如果說是財務操作的話呢就GIC那個什麼新加坡或是那個韓國的那個什麼KIC不過呢韓國他現在目前呢他剛剛那個王委員也有提到就是說韓國呢他現在要提出一個30兆韓元好像是30兆韓元的這我們有看到就他用超徵稅收嘛 |
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所以它剩30兆的这个它是主要的目标是企业所以刚刚委员讲的但它不限是国内国外的企业它是可以投资的企业对不对所以它这个像淡马锡淡马锡它是对企业对企业它有对内的跟对外的 |
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所以呢看看我們的目標所以剛剛委員講的沒有錯就是說你的目標你的Purpose是什麼然後才來決定你的那個架構是什麼是 總裁那我現在國人也想要問的是說到目前為止不管是賴清德總統講過行政院長卓榮泰講過以及說相關部會國發會在整理也跟央行財政部有開會討論 |
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國內還是不清楚說那到底我們如果說真的要推中華民國的主權基建的話我們的方向是什麼有沒有一個比較濃縮了因為還是一樣嘛你一定要先確定一個方向我們在三個部分第一確定你的方向定位 |
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第二 這個治理團隊能不能讓國人信任不要有弊案以及第三 資金來源是什麼如果說從回來這樣源頭倒揮我們可能會更有一個往前的方向目前看起來是沒有啊也不是說沒有啦 這個是一個所以現在您的理解 |
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我們國家希望做這個主權基金主要會往哪一個方向不過我跟委員報告據我了解在總統的以前的談話當中我可以深深的感受到總統是希望來支持我們的企業到國外去發展他要到國外去發展那會包括說外國的企業嗎 |
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沒有喔 他可能是說是要來協助我們國內的中華民國的企業我們的企業到國外去發展那這個到國外去發展可能他就有很多的方式啦我們的企業到國外去發展可能就會有很多的方式那這個呢 我們中央銀行就比較不會了解啦是大概是這樣子 |
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總裁你這樣講的一個話是過去沒有提到的就說我們的主權基金因為縱觀其他世界各國的主權基金來講的話其實有一些投資標的它不限於是本國企業有一些投資標的只要可以增進收益的值得投資的就像那個剛剛委員在講的你現在這樣提的方式比較像會是 |
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主權財務基金有點像是挪威模式挪威模式是比較財務操作他比較屬於財務操作所以這就是總裁我覺得這就是因為你剛剛也承諾王世堅委員你要給他一個您這邊了解的一個方向也一樣給本席做參考因為這一個部分本席還是強調開宗明義我就講了嘛 |
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就是說如果說能夠對於中華民國的一個主權或說對於我們台灣能夠更有能見度我們絕對不反對但問題是還是要把這個定位給清楚往前回推你才能夠了解說到底這個東西是不是能夠獲得我們大家一定的支持是是是好 謝謝我們再繼續討論好不好謝謝洪峰考委員謝謝 |
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接下來請林倩琦委員諮詢林倩琦委員 林倩琦委員不在下一位請王洪威委員諮詢王洪威委員 王洪威委員不在下一位請洪玉祥委員諮詢洪玉祥委員 洪玉祥委員 洪玉祥委員不在下一位請鍾嘉斌委員諮詢 |
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中加兵委員中加兵委員中加兵委員不在下一位輪我啊但是先休息兩分鐘 |
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來先跟大家說明一下等一下質詢完畢之後會宣讀這個今天要處理的這個預算提案那預計大概宣讀是15分鐘那我們會抓一個時間如果等一下進行可以順利的話大概是12點半開始處理所以大概將近12點開始宣讀的時候那這個 |
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要留下來處理預算的部門的官員就可以用餐然後這個資訊完畢今天沒有處理預案的這些我們今天出席的官員就可以先離開這樣好不好先做這樣的說明謝謝 |
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好 我們接著請吳秉瑞委員質詢謝謝 麻煩請台銀人壽保險公司張董事長好 台壽張志宏董事長 |
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董事長早今天就是說狀況因為我在這邊這麼久了我都大概清楚了問題是這個問題到底要怎麼解決可不可以跟我們說明一下台銀人壽長期虧損然後不停的增資然後資本市足率不足所以這個保險 |
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這個金管會要求大家要增資那你們政府也同意增資問題是一直增資一直增資不是解決問題的辦法所以就長遠來看要如何解決 |
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我先簡單講一下這個過程啦其實這個我們台銀人壽的問題不是我們單一台銀人壽的問題而已其實是整個台灣的這個人壽業者的一個問題那我想其他比較大型的或早期成立的這些壽險公司它的問題其實比我們更嚴峻而且我們看它政治的狀況如果說從 |
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這個儘管會要求每一家都要能夠提高資本失足率的這樣情況來看的話其實大概整個市場的增資的金額大概已經達到五千多億所以我們相對台銀人壽的增資的額度其實相對還是比較少的所以每一家都有這種增資的迫切的需求因為需要達到他的法定的一個水準董事長你這樣講齁 |
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聽起來乍聽之下好像有道理可是我個人的感受是那些老牌的大保險公司現在每一年都有很高的獲利在盈餘你們台銀人壽每年在虧損怎麼可以說人家的問題比你還大人家自己公司賺的錢自己來增資沒有問題問題是你們沒有辦法賺錢但是一樣要增資所以就一直跟這個台銀 |
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跟台灣銀行伸手嘛我是說這個問題我是指長遠如何讓台銀人壽能夠變成一個會賺錢的正常公司那如果這個真的做不到 |
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長遠都做不到那是不是要考慮壯士斷軟這個是要講你這個未來台銀人壽你的長程的十年二十年之後三十年之後你到底這間公司要怎麼辦因為你們接了一個很爛的攤子我知道但是也不能說因為我接了一個很爛的攤子企業也可以考慮說這個部門如果真的做不起來這個部門要做怎麼樣的處理 |
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並給人家 並給人家不一定會賠錢並給人家也可以照顧我們的現在的這些在這邊營業的這些經營的這些人並給人家 讓人家有能力的來經營這個我是想請問你長期要如何解決台銀人壽的問題我想我們這兩年這兩年當中其實有非常的努力就是對於我們商品的優化的部分就推出在市場上有一些競爭力的產品 |
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所以我們要能夠把商品賣得出去才有一些保費的收入那當然有了保費收入之後呢下一步我們要做的就是提高我們的這個整個財務投資的收益可以去cover以前的一個高額的一個利差損甚至也可以能夠去支應我們在線下的這個一個保單的一個支應的部分 |
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所以這兩個我們都會同時來做努力那其實我們努力的成果可以看得到就是113年我們人壽是獲利的那去年因為碰到這個川普的一個關稅那匯率有很大的影響那又造成了這個我們 |
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人壽需要做非常多的一些避險所以非常多的獲利的部分也會被避險的成本來侵蝕但是到今年為止其實我們也有很大的改善我想應該就是從這幾個方向來看第一個就是商品的優化第二個就是我們財務投資的一個績效的提升另外我們也會做系統的改進讓我們內部的整個效率能夠提升 |
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那另外當然風險控管也是要注意的所以這個大概是我們可以努力的幾個方向那細節的部分我可不可以請我們這個人壽董事長來做說明好 謝謝 |
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我是要請教如果把他當作是你今天台銀人壽背後真正的股東就是國家嘛那如果啦我們是換位思考如果這是你家的公司你持股百分之百你會讓他這樣嗎這間公司長領這個樣子我覺得 |
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剛剛聽起來是好像有點希望但是我覺得如果你了解國際經濟國際的財政希望很小為什麼美國國債現在假設我是一個投資人剛剛總裁有講錢會往收益高的地方跑美國的國債我現在長年期的我的利率都4.5% 5%的 |
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那你台灣的資金的成本才一點多趴你都做到不賺錢了那如果開放他的錢你又去買美國公債我來買你這個保險幹嘛我是說如果要穩定的話那所以我是想說這個事情到底長線來講 |
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現在每一個會期談的都是半年都是半年談預算就是一年來談一次問題是我在財政委員會十幾年了啊十幾年來都是這樣啊 又沒有進步你說每一次都跟我講每一任董事長都跟我講說有了有轉機了快好了快好了結果每一年還是這樣所以我們在信心實在是有點欠缺啦張董事長 |
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換位思考一下假設這是你的工這一間公司是你的你要怎麼處理這個問題我剛接手所以我就針對這個公司體質做一些盤點 |
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那這家公司我們這樣看好了我們有資產面跟負債面那負債面我的成本大概是3.1%左右換句話說我公司要賺錢的話就是我資產面的投報率要超過3.1%那這個投報率的話不會澎白無故就來所以我一定要大量的新錢來投資因為 |
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因為我來接手的時候面臨我們這保費收入大幅的衰退這保費懸崖這樣的東西所以這個東西的話我如果讓我的那個業務增加有新鮮進來那這個情況在林董事長來的時候我們的確做到了我們那個保費收入去年我們星期月保費收入是一百億十二億這六年來首次突破一百億那今年我到目前為止 |
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我到目前6月初我已經55億了所以如果有新鮮的話再加上我本身最投資面的我貫徹一個投資紀律的話我這個東西的投報率可以穩定的上升那這個利差損的包袱一定要透過時間來解決這個經過我們10年的這個我們這體質的調整慢慢慢慢會呈現一個正向的循環包含今年金管會也開放那個 |
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AC債券的匯率可以用平均債券期間來攤提這個我們每年就會節省二十幾億的避險成本所以天時第一人口的話 我覺得這次蠻有把握我們是會把這體質好轉那你體質好轉 所以我們明年就可以看到好成績囉今年應該就可以對 我們明年會看到你們今年的成績啊所以我們明年在這個地方的時候就可以看得到的意思 |
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好 那就加油喔對你們是抱著很高的期許才是在勉勵裡不然的話這樣長線一直下去實在不是辦法啦對 我自己看不下去啦好 謝謝好 謝謝秉瑞 張維接著請林好 林思敏委員改書面接著請羅明財委員質詢 |
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主席 二委員處列習慣了主席可不可以請接續台灣金控好了請台灣金控林董事長吳嘉曉總經理還有吳總經理 台灣人壽台灣人壽張董事長中和證券李素森台育營中和證券李董事長 |
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林董事長你好委員好那剛剛我在台下聽委員的一些質詢我聽了也很感動就似乎說對你們有很大的期許那希望說你們能趕快認真努力急起直追那我問一下台灣人壽好了張志宏張董事長 |
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你們都說你們有信心會認真什麼利差損什麼其實我已經聽了十幾年了我十年前我就跟你講說我對你們期許很高結果今天還是有人繼續期許而已公股銀行在這樣搞下去就是等著被市場收拾而已啊那我問你最後會賺的是哪一家授權公司 |
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如果今年的話我至少超過其他公股公股人壽問題就來了我們財政部部長也在那邊他一定就忍不住要發飆你每次都只是公股跟公股比公股就是一個萎縮的市場以前大概30年前所有的市場全都是公股的台銀是這一支結果現在變成怎麼樣 |
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產不能賭啊怎麼辦你們為什麼不能向富邦你們為什麼不能向國泰人壽這個跟會員報告一下像富邦或國泰的話基本上壽險公司要賺錢的話基本上靠投資賺錢比較有機會啦之前為什麼那個山上人壽你們不去把他併下來 |
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因為我們體質還沒調整完整就併別人的話我覺得這個風險很大你現在手上自營的部分有多少目前我有4800億的一個資產好 4800億那你最近你都買了一些什麼類股不要講個股好了講類股太敏感當然就是也AI跟金融股為主你有買到AI嗎有那你AI獲利應該很高啊是譬如說你如果買到我們新店的國巨 |
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那你的那個獲利是應該多少你跟委員報告今年的話如果不管是放在OCI或TPL的話我今年金融資產在股票方面的話我的未死的利益就超過120億所以100多億對 100多億所以你這次壓重壓AI的股票 |
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也不是中壓就是說我們靠著投資機率來配置這些股票我們不是完全投資在百分之百放在AI我們也放在一些金融股或電信股都有只是說我們在AI的股放的還不少好那因為不便再細問了不過 |
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我剛跟吳趙遠他的期許我也是再講一次我也是對你們有期許希望你們表現好一點不然掛著一個精緻招牌就在外面的市站一直降一直降令人覺得很惋惜另外證券證券是李肅生李董事長你們現在大概每一天的交易量都那麼高你們在市站排名第幾名 |
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| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
我們排名第幾名 我確確是不太 二十五名 第二十五名我們總共有四十五家證券公司啦對啊 那個其他的單獨的單一可能偏鄉地區的那個小券商號子就一個兩個你們現在有幾件號子 |
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我們現在有七家分公司七家包括經濟部是有七家的自營的部分現在表現得怎麼樣自營今年是不錯的我看你們也是要如果真的要試戰要加強 |
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因為台銀本身有它本身存在的優勢你們要發揮那個合縱連橫的效應出來嘛比如說你們IPO的輔導今年大概輔導幾家 |
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跟委員報告因為我們的資本額只有30億所以我們IPO我們只能做協辦我們不能做主辦至於在增資跟花債部分的話我們就可以做主辦我們今年已經有爭取到一家主辦然後在林董事長的 |
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這樣子啦 今年還是一樣在這個地方也是期許 明年你們成績當然要交出來 |
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其實你們也不用做太多事你說拜託林董事長黃仁勛來的時候你說不然我那個趙元燕我也跟在旁邊你台銀就變成AI金控股了啊因為他們一年現在做的業績很大你們要跟他黏著度要夠 |
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好不好 不然的話 至少他總部要蓋 你要主動去拜訪啊我要連帶啊 我錢要借給你啊 有一些業務啊未來的兩千個員工 你所有的薪資啊 什麼金流都可以經過台銀啊為什麼台銀 你說 你也是台灣人啊 愛台灣就用台銀啊可以說嗎 是 謝謝拜託你們多加強一下吧 好 |
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不要讓台銀那麼好的一個公司每下愈況謝謝接著麻煩蔡偉豪央行總裁現在請央行央行總裁央行總裁你好 |
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你們兩個很厲害啊一個彭金榮 又是楊金榮啊 上次都講過了現在每天的成交量 都一兆八千億 甚至兩兆由此一說啦 央行如果願意把台灣變成亞洲的金融中心 大幅度的開放很快可能日均量 可能會到突破兩兆 變成是常態 |
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因為央行有管制現在自然人的部分自然人的部分會出去每一年限額是多少公司法人的部分會出去限額是多少我們 |
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個人的話呢 我們是五千萬吧五千是美金嗎那個是一千萬 個人是一千萬個人是一千萬什麼 美金嗎美金所以個人 我們現在國內有沒有外匯管制啊台灣有沒有外匯管制只有這一塊而已就是個人匯出去的話是 |
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雖然我們有這樣的興趣但是個人是1000萬企業是1億1億美金都是30億但是如果你有需要的話我們稍微看一看你都可以有沒有考慮說因為現在通膨而且這一波相較於這個整個我們150兆的市值的市場來看 |
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這個限制會不會有點嚴格因為請問美國第一大市場還有我們現在第五大了第一大 第二大 第三大有這樣的限制嗎有啊 |
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怎麼限制哪一個像中國大陸限制他才延耶我們不要跟大陸比啊因為這個時刻我們就要跟美國跟英國跟新加坡新加坡沒那麼延啊我跟委員報告啦對於法人來講的話呢我們都沒有限制你看看外資他只要登記的時候他都可以進來了你看他登記而已喔他就可以進來了沒有審查 |
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你看這個是很自由的喔那你有沒有考慮說對全世界宣布就是台灣是歡迎全世界我們政府只有登記只有登記他就可以進來的話那不是很歡迎嗎 |
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你可以講啊而且我跟委員報告那現在外資要進來我們的股市非常非常的方便而且他的金額都非常的龐大 |
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今年進來的累積大概進台灣買股市大概有多少金額他很大我現在每天因為我們每天他都是變化的很大經費入是多少我跟委員報告不敢我跟委員報告事實上他進來的金額比以前都至少都漲兩倍到三倍兩倍本來一倍是多少本來一倍基礎是多少 |
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這個私下我再跟你報告好了啦基本上我就說他的量是很大的而且他進來是很大他要出去的時候的量大那再問一下總裁究竟央行歡不歡迎全世界的資金來台灣購買股票 |
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當它進出進出那麼頻繁而且金額都那麼龐大的時候你覺得我們中央銀行還要在那邊講著說趕快再大多一點我會這樣子嗎我想中央銀行不會做這種事情那你會反過來說我拒絕全世界的資金進來當然啦我們也不會啊所以只要那麼的自由好最後一個問題就是說現在股市現在熱絡的情況央行會不會打壓 |
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自由市場自由市場要怎麼打壓呢你只能就說是投資人你只能就說投資人要警告警告他說喔有些時候你你的levelage太高你要小心金融機構你也要警告他說喔那個這個錢太集中在股市也不是很好頂多就是這樣子而已啦總的這個不是央行業務啊對當然不是啊而且如果 |
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所以我剛剛也有講啊我剛剛也有講就是說這個是金管會都已經在密切注意這件事情了不是不是 大家也不要太相信央行總裁講的話因為我上次兩次被騙上當啊一個是黃金啊 一個是比特幣啊謝謝 因為我跟委員報告真的比特幣跟黃金都在下跌謝謝羅民財委員的質詢謝謝 |
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今日登記發言委員均已詢答完畢請議事委員宣讀今日審查預算案之審查項目及提案共50案宣讀完畢後預計12點30分進行協商有央行提案無關的政府機關官員可以先行離席留在現場的官員可以開始用餐請議事委員宣讀提案 |
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115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分,關於中央銀行含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠,依業務計畫,依如有修正,除住民修正意見外,因另加序,並依據營業收支、金融保險成本轉投資、重大資建設事業及資金運用等項之審查結果,隨同調整。 |
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2如無修正因序名義依據營業收支金融保險成本轉投資重大之建設事業及資金運用等向之審查結果隨同調整2營業收支1營業總收入4288億3537萬8千元2營業總支出不含所得稅費用2535億4千 |
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四百七十四萬六千元三歲前經歷一千五七百五十三億三千零六十三萬二千元三金融保險成本一如個別項目有修正出著名修正意見外另加續營業總支出應隨同調整 |
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二如無個別項目修正及續名隨同營業總支出審查結果調整四轉投資計畫無劣數五重大資建設事業八億九千七百萬九千元六資金運用一如有修正除住民修正意見外另加序並依據營業收支金融保險成本盈虧撥補轉投資及重大資建設事業等項支審查結果隨同調整 |
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二,如無修正,因續民因依據營業收支、金融保險成本、盈虧撥補、轉投資及重大支、建設事業等項之審查結果,隨同調整預算提案和併部分共發案 |
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第一案增列本期淨利250億元賴思寶等三人提案第二案金融保險成本發行硬幣費用折舊及攤銷凍結500萬元李坤城等三人提案第三案金融保險成本發行鈔券費用折舊及攤銷凍結500萬元李坤城等三人提案第四案業務費用服務費用旅運費減列160萬元王世堅等三人提案 |
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第五案 業務費用責救及攤銷 機械及設備責救 簡列200萬元 王世堅等三人提案第六案 管理費用 服務費用 旅運費 簡列10萬元 王世堅等三人提案第七案 管理費用 服務費用 專業服務費 簡列300萬元 陳玉珍等三人提案 |
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第八案 管理費用服務費用專業服務費減列100萬元王世堅的三人提案中央銀行預算提案共31案第一案 以運項目量投資信託投資營運量增列100億元李坤城的三人提案第二案 增列事業投資利益5000萬元賴世保的三人提案 |
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第三案資金轉投資及其盈虧明細表財經資訊股份有限公司之投資總額增列五千萬李坤城等三人提案第四案簡列利息費用六十億元賴世寶等三人提案第五案營業成本金融保險成本所需費用簡列五百萬元李燕秀等三人提案 |
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第六案發行硬幣費用減列六千萬元賴世保等三人提案第七案營業成本金融保險成本發行硬幣費用減列五千萬元李燕秀等三人提案第八案金融保險成本發行硬幣費用減列四十萬元郭國文等三人提案第九案金融保險成本發行鈔券費用減列四十萬元郭國文等三人提案 |
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第十案金融保險成本發行鈔券費用服務費用凍結10%羅明財等三人提案第十一案業務費用旅運費減列200萬元賴氏寶等三人提案第十二案業務費用專業服務費減列600萬元賴氏寶等三人提案第十三案管理費用 |
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明細表內服務費用之專業服務費減列500萬元、耐市保等三人提案第十四案請中央銀行針對放寬第二戶購屋貸款陳述之風險評估與高房貸負擔率對通膨指標失真之影響為題提出書面報告王世堅等三人提案第十五案請中央銀行以參考各國利用外匯存底或公債成立基金 |
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的成功經驗回遞提出書面報告王世堅等三人提案第十六案要求中央銀行針對長期超額繳庫對央行資本健全度之影響進行評估並提出報告劉樹斌等三人提案第十七案要求中央銀行提出新台幣改版導入綠色原物料與長壽命材質之具體方向與效率評估 |
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第十八案請中央銀行就外資異常資金停泊之場外監理機制強化方案等提出書面報告李燕秀等三人提案第十九案要求中央銀行應督導財經公司就現行跨行轉賬及提款手續費之成本結構等提出書面報告盧明才等三人提案第20案 |
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中央銀行與協同其他部會共同研商對策透過跨部會協作引導資金有效運用嚴匡衡等三人提案第21案 央行應在執行改版作業時通盤考量偽鈔風險等 |
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並落實公民參與機制嚴寬衡等三人提案第二十二案要求央行就選擇信用管制措施執行成效等提出書面報告林思明等三人提案第二十三案要求央行就新台幣鈔券改版之必要性印製成本等提出書面報告林思明等三人提案二十四案 |
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未來包括通膨走勢經濟成長及全球央行政策變化將成為民眾擔心中央銀行是否調整利率政策的關鍵指標為維持市場穩定及避免民眾恐慌建請中央銀行提出書面報告李昆城等三人提案二十五案請中央銀行提出數位貨幣推動進度書面報告並說明未來推動的具體時程與方向李昆城等三人提案二十六案 |
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請中央銀行加速研議鈔券改版之可行性等並提出書面報告李坤城等三人提案第27案請中央銀行針對未來對匯率精準管理提出書面報告李坤城等三人提案28案請中央銀行就報酬率下降原因及國際比較提出完整檢討報告等同時定期提出報告並公開揭露 |
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李坤城等三人提案第29案請中央銀行會同經管會檢討銀行法第72條制2執行情形並針對相關問題提出報告李坤城等三人提案第30案為促進電子支付產業健全發展請央行輔導專營業者通過辦理外匯業務申請 |
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提出書面報告郭國文等三人提案三十一案請央行針對如何預防市場過度槓桿化而衍生出金融危機做出改善並提出書面報告郭國文等三人提案中央造幣產預算提案六案第一案 |
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製造費用、服務費用、專業服務費檢列10萬元郭國文等三人提案第二案管理費用檢列200萬元陳玉珍等三人提案第三案要求中央造幣廠就近年壞賬率上升原因等提出書面報告林思敏等三人提案第四案要求 |
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第四案要求中央造幣廠就原物料採購策略成本控制機制等具體措施提出書面報告林思明等三人提案第五案要求中央造幣廠就其他金屬張牌收入估列基礎近年委註業務拓展成果等事項提出書面報告林思明等三人提案第六案要求中央造幣廠就近年節電率波動原因各項節能措施執行成果等 |
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提出書面報告林思敏等三人提案中央印製廠預算提案共五案第一案增列本期經歷三千萬元賴氏寶等三人提案第二案增列 |
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稅前經歷1億元李燕秀等三人提案第三案營業外收入其他營業外收入賠償收入增列600萬元李燕秀等三人提案第四案製造費用服務費用水電費減列5萬元郭國文等三人提案第五案整體編列專業服務費減列200萬元陳玉珍等三人提案宣讀完畢 |
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我們要喝咖啡喔對 我知道 |
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台主決議了嗎 |
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14388.83 |
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謝謝我們兩位也要 |
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14431.59 |
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要下一套 |
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好,我拿一盒我拿一盒我拿一盒我拿一盒我拿一盒我拿一盒 |
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有嗎 |
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所以進度就把他選掉了 |
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那你兩檔不落來看那燒的很燥啊 |
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因為他有時候 也會被委員騙啊我以前 獎金32錢在做 台北管理會的委員 |
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因為管政府對於我的中年老闆是處於軟然後行政理人說過頭了我說好啊,三萬錢來就夠了 |
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來現在開始協商來我們第一案第一案已經溝通完畢了針對本期金利2.5億元請央行將相關收入跟費用調整科目及金額匯後送醫事人員處理OK第二案李坤城委員提案改組決議好不好好改組決議通過有啊有啊就是金額又給我們了 |
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有啊你們有修正文字啦有啦就按照你們修正文字啦好第三案李光誠委員提案也是改組決議好不好文字有修正的文字有修正啦好文字修正的通過第四案檢列業務費用服務費用旅運費二十萬元欸旅運費不是一起處理的嗎沒有這是特別的檢二十萬元可以嗎 |
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楊十一現在是 第十一案錄音費 減一點點啦你這裡要兩百 他這幾十一百啦 一百啦不要啦 他要拜讀一下啦 楊洪大林拜讀一下啦 |
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第四案併羊食衣然後檢列八十萬元科目自行調整第五案檢列業務費用折舊及攤銷機械及設備折舊二十萬元 |
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好 通過他同意啦 同意 他要同意同意齁第六案也是同意的檢列管理費用裡面的服務費用 旅運費五萬元好 通過第七案跟第八案 併案齁還有殃死三 殃死三是誰的案子 |
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那是我們賴委員的但是賴委員要減一百萬欸我減五百不是一百啊這樣剩下一百啊你自己有錢嗎他同意啊他同意我知道啊我是說你減一百因為前陣子你聽我說我們因為第七案第八案是要減十萬嘛所以要要後面的併你這個案子因為你的資源比較大啊你同意啊 |
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柯木智行調整中央銀行的第一案剛剛的七案跟八案併到後面因為後面那個刪減度比較大所以併進去了 |
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好 甄烈信託投資利益他要剪100億 營運量100億他寫甄烈 甄烈營運量10億乘2.2882 2280萬這我的提案本來甄烈是100億 後來他們有來溝通是10億 |
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就改10億啊10億齁 央行可以齁增略信託投資利益10億元為什麼要乘2.28他是一個營運量營運量齁 10億元那乘2.28%所以是增加2280萬 是這樣子好 崑哲沒有錯齁好 通過是這樣子嗎還是這樣子齁好 第二案 |
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跟第三案併案 增列事業投資利益一千萬元這來自保委員提案齁跟李坤城委員提案的併在一起好 同意齁好 第四案減劣利息費用 賴委員減劣沒有沒有 這個沒有 這個齁這個很多喔 先沒有 總該講話 央行總裁來跟他說啦以後來有談啦 |
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好啦好啦 減一個年 減兩個年 六千萬啦六百萬啦 六百萬啦 減六百萬啦台灣千萬一十一 這六十億咧六十億是你的提案 但是六十億是很多的因為你 |
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你的過去五年決算數就是52%到92%你基本上就是高估非常多你何必放在那裡你用不到呢檢列六千萬元喔檢列六千萬元通過第四案檢列六千萬元來第五案李燕秀委員已經有簽名了喔檢列金融保險成本手續費五十萬元 |
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第六 678 併案 簡列發行硬幣費用200萬元這是總裁講的 你不要來這裡判案678 減200萬好 第九案 郭國文委員提案 |
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第十案 改列組決議題書面報告第十二案 簡列業務費專業服務費100萬元 |
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好通過第13案簡略管理費用的服務費用專業服務費用100萬元剛剛已經處理了好好第14案主決議沒有問題吧總裁拜託拿麥克風遵照辦理拿麥克風講一下好遵照辦理通過第15案遵照辦理通過第16案 |
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改書面報告改書面報告他也同意嗎對他也同意那必須要按照書面報告通過第17案也是書面報告改書面報告 |
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通過 通過通過通過 |
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養二十三通過 養二十四 遵照辦理養二十四通過 養二十五 遵照辦理養二十五通過 養二十六 遵照辦理養二十六通過 二十七 遵照辦理二十七通過 二十八 改為書面報告有文字修正了喔對 那個館長是不是在文字修正這樣通過 |
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好 那就照那個修正文字通過好 照文字修正通過 央28來 央29 遵照辦理通過央30 遵照辦理通過 央31 遵照辦理通過來 照閉場遵照辦理啦是不是 |
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減專業服務製造費用的專業服務費用十萬元第二案減劣管理費用二十萬元通過第三案主決議遵照辦理通過第四案遵照辦理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
15185.484 |
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通過 第五案遵照辦理 通過遵照辦理 第六案遵照辦理 通過好 再來應治場第一案跟第二案合併增略本期淨率五百萬元同意嗎 |
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請議日常將相關收入與費用調整跟末與金額匯報送議事人員處理賴委員長很好了你真的達不到五百萬他也不會追究啦就是盡量去努力嘛好 印照場第二案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
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已經併了來印刷增略其他營業外收入賠償收入20萬元20萬通過通過好第四案捐造辦理捐獵5萬塊捐造辦理通過第五案捐獵專業服務費用20萬元對已經科目自行調整好謝謝通過通過好謝謝 |
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15250.092 |
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等一下要留兩個人 因為我們要宣讀 宣讀完要做最後宣告你們兩個要留下來沒有啦 只有你們兩個 沒有別人啊現在開始宣讀啦沒有啦 五分鐘啦 我們談一下啦五分鐘 五分鐘好啦 謝謝啦謝謝啦 謝謝幫忙啦 |
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協商完成 請議事人員宣讀協商結論合併第一案本期淨利增列2.5億元並請央行將相關收入與費用調整科目及金額會後送議事人員處理 |
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併案第二案改組決議三個月內提書面報告第三案改組決議三個月內提書面報告第四案併央行第十一案併案檢列八十業務費用服務費用旅運費八十萬元科目自行調整第五案責救及談銷機械及設備責救檢列二十萬元第六案第七案併案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
檢列服務費用旅運費五萬元第六案服務費用旅運費檢列五萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
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第七案第八案還有央行第十三案並案檢列管理費用服務費用專業服務費一百萬元科目執行調整央行第一案信託投資利益增列二千二百八十萬元第二案第三案並案事業投資利益增列一千萬元 |
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第四案 利息費用減列六千萬元第五案 金融保險手續費用減列五十萬元第六案 第七案 第八案 並案減列發行硬幣費用兩百萬元第九案 減列發行鈔券費用四十萬元第十案 改組決議提書面報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
第十二案 業務費用專業服務費減列一百萬元第十四案 遭案通過 |
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第15案 遭案通過第16案 文字修正改書面報告第17案 文字修正改書面報告第18案 第19案 第20案 第21案 第22案 第23案 第24案 第25案 第26案 第27案均遭案通過 |
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第28案文字修正通過改書面報告第29案第30案第31案均招案通過中央招幣廠第一案製造費用服務費用專業服務費減列10萬元第二案管理費用減列20萬元第三案招案通過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
更正第二案管理費用減列二十萬元科目自行調整第三案招案通過第四案招案通過第五案招案通過第六案招案通過中央印製廠第一案第二案合併本期經歷增列五百萬元 |
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請因智場將相關收入與費用調整科目與金額會奉送議事人員處理第三案其他營業外收入賠償收入增列二十萬元第四案照案通過服務費用水電費減列五萬元第五案專業服務費減列二十萬元科目自行調整宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位委員對協商結論有無異議無異議通過本次會議作如下決議一 說明及詢答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請中央銀行財政部一周內已出面答覆委員會要求其見者從其所定 |
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三 委員林思明 洪玉祥所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報並請中央銀行財政部以書面答覆第四審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行關乎韓中央造幣廠中央印製廠預算案除照協商結論通過外其餘部分均照列列業務計畫部分 |
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因依據營業收支金融保險成本轉投資重大之建設事業及資金運用等項之審查結果隨同調整金融保險或生產成本部分隨同營業總支出審查結果調整營業總支出因隨同調整 |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
資金運用部分因依據營業收支、金融保險成本、盈虧撥補、轉投資及重大建設事業等向之審查結果以隨同調整請問各位委員對以上決議有無異議通過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
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第五 中華民國一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分 關於財政部儲管中國輸出貨銀行 台灣金融控股股份有限公司瓜湖韓台灣銀行股份有限公司 台銀人壽保險股份有限公司台銀綜合證券股份有限公司 另則需繼續審查五言若有提案 請於下午五點以前 敬送財政委員會會議室 |
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| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
15633.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
財政委員會議事人員收件 會診 必立後續審查程序八 本次會議議程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題出面質詢一併列入紀錄刊登報報並請議事人員協助處理好 現在散會 |
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15659.847 |
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15660.007 |
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雞肉丸 |