| IVOD_ID |
17494 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17494 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-16 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-04T08:33:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-04T09:43:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:09:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbce9649e34646bc22aefd5d72e484d8ea807a15c9b8761715068450dda78092f75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算非營業部分關於公平交易委員會主管：反托拉斯基金。(處理)【6月3日及6月4日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:04 - 09:43:00 |
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需求是好 |
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469.1 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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670.411 |
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670.492 |
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谢谢大家 |
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885.627 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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1038.289 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 欢迎订阅我的频道 |
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好 我們現在要開會進行討論事項請宣讀討論事項繼續審查115年度專政部總議專案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算分餘的部分關於公平交易委員會主管非反托拉斯基金宣傳比 |
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因為在場委員只有我一個我們先介紹一下這個因為列席的這個機關單位首長首先公平交易委員會代理主委陳志明主任秘書毛浩吉綜合規劃處處長洪德昌服務業競爭處處長胡竺順製造業競爭處處長胡光宇 |
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公平競爭處處長葉天福法律事務處處長沈麗玉資訊及經濟分析室主任鄭嘉琳秘書室主任曹樹偉人事室主任劉立貞主計處主任陳盈環 |
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政風市主任高青松行政院主計總處公務預算處檢任視察菸育平基金預算處科長王佩珊 |
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1756.467 |
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公民交易委員會單位預算及反托拉斯基金於4月23號第10次會議詢答結束我們今天依序進行審查審查的程序如下公務預算稅率的部分依款別以向為單位稅出的部分依機關別以目為單位依序討論基金的部分照業務計畫基金來源用途及於處 |
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1801.236 |
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街角、公庫等逐項審查現在請一併宣讀今日審查項目跟委員提案宣讀完畢後我們再進行協商一五年度公平交易委員會稅入第二款 |
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罰款及賠償收入第十七項公平交易委員會一億一千八百九十五萬四千元第四款財產收入十八項公平交易委員會二十六萬元第七款其他收入十八項公平交易委員會七萬元稅出部分第二款行政院主管第十三項公平交易委員會三億五千七百萬三千元第一幕一般行政三億三千四百一十九萬元 |
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第二幕公平交易業務2231萬3千元第三幕第一預備金50萬元反托拉斯基金附屬單位預算業務計劃請參閱基金來源5482萬2千元基金用途6707萬3千元本期短處1225萬1千元結繳公庫無劣數公平交易委員會提案 |
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1857.628 |
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第一案公平交易業務凍結10%張家俊委員提案第二案凍結3%謝一鳳等人提案第三案凍結3%謝一鳳等人提案第四案限制競爭行為調查處理凍結10%張家俊等人提案第五案凍結50萬元邱志偉等人提案第六案 |
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1879.262 |
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1901.128 |
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凍結百分之五邱毅寅等人提案第七案凍結百分之五賴瑞榮等人提案第八案第一三級產業獨佔結合及聯合行為之調查處理凍結五十萬元呂玉玲等人提案第九案凍結百分之十張家俊等人提案第十案業務費凍結百分之五張宗嘉斌等人提案第十一案 |
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1901.648 |
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1920.059 |
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第二集產業獨占結合及聯合行為之調查處理凍結八十萬元洪玉祥等人提案第十案凍結六十萬元李玉玲等人提案第十三案不公平競爭行為調查處理及多層次傳銷管理簡列五十 |
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1920.677 |
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1931.505 |
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50%楊瓊英等人提案 第14案檢列20萬元 凍結30萬元賴日榮等人提案 第15案檢列39,000元陳亭飛等人提案 第16案凍結60萬元呂一林等人提案 第17案凍結20萬元邱志偉等人提案 第18案凍結20萬元邱志偉等人提案 第19案凍結3%陳亭飛等人提案 第20案不公平競爭行為調查處理及多層次傳銷管理 凍結 |
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1950.395 |
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1971.021 |
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百分之二十陳超明等人提案 第二十一案凍結百分之十陳超明等人提案 第二十二案凍結百分之十陳超明等人提案 第二十三案凍結百分之五鍾嘉斌等人提案 第二十四案法務及行政救濟業務減列五萬元陳廷飛等人提案 第二十五案凍結五十萬元 |
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1973.359 |
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1982.967 |
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李玉玲等人提案 第26案凍結10%張家俊等人提案 第27案凍結20萬元邱志偉等人提案 第28案凍結5%賴銳榮等人提案 第29案凍結3%陳晴飛等人提案 第30案綜合規劃及宣導業務檢列10%楊瓊英等人提案 第31案檢列10%凍結5%賴銳榮等人提案 第32案凍結50萬元李玉玲等人提案 第33案凍結 |
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2000.714 |
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2003.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
10%張家俊等人提案第34案凍結20萬元邱志偉等人提案第35案凍結 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2007.642 |
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2014.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
2%陳亭飛等人提案第36案凍結1%邱毅英等人提案第37案政策擬定及國際交流業務簡列20萬元凍結5%賴瑞榮等人提案第38案凍結50萬元呂毅寧等人提案第39案業務費凍結1%宗家兵等人提案第40案至第60案主決議請參閱 |
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2032.83 |
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2046.297 |
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反托拉斯基金預算提案第61案基金用途凍結600萬元邱志偉等人提案第62案強化反托拉斯執法計劃檢列100萬元凍結5%賴瑞榮等人提案第63案凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案第64案凍結 |
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2054.203 |
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2068.797 |
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凍結2%陳廷飛等人提案第65案服務費用向下媒體政策及業務宣導費減列100萬元楊瓊英等人提案第66案會費捐助補助分攤照護救濟與交流活動費向下捐助補助與獎勵 |
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2070.981 |
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2074.987 |
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凍結10%張家俊等人提案第67案檢舉違法聯合行為獎金支出凍結100萬元呂玲等人提案第68案數位經濟競爭政策研究及 |
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2083.777 |
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2090.623 |
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倡議計劃檢列50萬元凍結5%賴瑞榮等人提案第69案檢列50萬元陳廷飛等人提案第70案凍結10%陳昌明等人提案第71案凍結10%楊瓊瑛等人提案第72案凍結10%張家俊等人提案 |
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2101.973 |
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2107.016 |
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第73案凍結200萬元邱志偉等人提案第74案數位匯流新時代之不實廣告及不動產查查計劃凍結10%陳超明等人提案第75案至第78案主決議請參閱宣讀完畢 |
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2121.294 |
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2129.741 |
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好 我們現在先休息一下因為委員人數還不到三人先休息 |
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2428.887 |
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2429.733 |
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对啊 |
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2438.442 |
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2463.877 |
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好我們現在我們現在進行這個115年度公平交友委員會公務預算及反托拉斯基金的預算的協商那各位同仁這個第一案到第三案是屬於通案以往的慣例都是先處理細項通案是暫行保留那因為這裡頭通案的部分在場的委員有謝依鳳委員還是你有沒有異議這樣子 |
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2465.977 |
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2491.051 |
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我們是不是請公平會先做一個決議就是說先做一個主決議因為對於Grabbing Fupenda的這個事情事關重大那大家所有那個社會各界都關注那畢竟這牽涉到外送平台的相關的不管是就是說外送員的權利以及店家的 |
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2492.251 |
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2517.42 |
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這個就是說相關的抽成還有未來有可能因應那個數據就是說數位的那個數據壟斷的相關的疑義那是不是能夠做一個組決議那我們知道說這個東西就是說大家都很在意那如果我們做了組決議以後那在場的委員覺得說 |
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2544.458 |
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可以接受那是不是因為他們的預算也很少啦說實在的那是不是就是看當然要看他們做的決議怎麼樣啊才能夠那個才能夠是他們做的決議因為我覺得他們預算很少啊如果又給他凍結又怎樣啊他們好像是不是故意就乾脆就不要做事了應該要給他們做多一點事情喔是 崔醫 |
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2545.479 |
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2560.971 |
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我看謝委員的提案意見方向我很支持剛剛看是謝委員方是不是第二案他有一個這個動3%嘛那是不是說改成主角這樣子那個謝委員這個 |
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2564.292 |
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2588.36 |
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你在要求我啊因為你的這個你現在是在一般通用這邊的通案這邊的話是有兩案嘛那你的第二案的話跟這個第三案那我現在是說你現在是第二案跟第三案同樣改成主決議還是說第二案而已還是第三案而已這樣 |
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2588.956 |
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2614.338 |
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第三案可以改成主決議啊那我們就是把那個第二案有沒有是不是那個請他們做第二案請說明一下我先念一下我們第三案就是改主決議那主要就是針對GREP這個併購我們的這個Foodpanda這樣子的一個因應的一個做法跟決策沒關係這個你第二案先說明 |
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2622.091 |
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2648.223 |
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那個有關GREP案我們提出一個書面報告我想這個沒有問題我們可以依照委員的指示來辦理那當然就這個預算部分我們是覺得說就如同剛剛委員所講本會的預算本來就有限如果可以的話是不是第2案第3案都改成主決議那提書面報告這個我們可以遵循事來辦理按照我的決議是不是就是兩案第2案 |
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2649.864 |
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2667.898 |
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就按照委員的建議就按照我的主決議來做是不是那您說第幾案60萬是主決議 |
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2668.973 |
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2698.195 |
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我要重寫一個吧你們是不是應該要有一個新的吧我剛才一直都說你們應該要有一個新的作為嘛我的提議已經是啦那我現在是要求你們就是說更精進的一個做法啊對啊因為你們對於這個整個案情最了解嘛是就是說審查的意見那你們是不是應該要研擬一下然後再因為我當然知道我有組決議啊只是說我想說你怎麼會 |
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2700.435 |
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2727.603 |
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我是要求你們工作不是你們就按照我的決議做是不是那不然我們今天講這個都沒有意思了是不是那我們就請我們會按照委員的決定來擬主席不好意思那是不是我們先那個部分請他們去研擬那我們就接下去好那我們二三先暫時保留你們先三而已二四改什麼二保留 |
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2730.225 |
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三改組決議然後二保留那你們再去針對二這個寫一個剛剛我們這個Grab對Uber收購你們的因應機制好不好等委員看完我們再回來討論 |
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好那我們現在繼續審查這個公平交易委員會公平交易第二幕公平交易業務的我們大概是從結因為你們只有一個幕所以我們從第四案到第十二案主要這邊都是第一節這邊有關的預算的委員的提案 |
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那這邊我先稍微說明一下因為經過某些委員的溝通第5案 邱志偉委員改組決議第7案 賴銳龍委員改組決議第8案 呂玉琳委員改組決議第12案 呂玉琳委員改組決議 |
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好然後的話在場的我們請中委員第十案好改組決議第十案改組決議 |
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好 第十一案是我的提案主要的話我過去在質詢你們公評會的時候那我這邊對於你們的一個執行的一個成效的一個績效的指標比較過於單一第二項就是說你的執法效率跟實效性的評估機制 |
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那因為當時我會這樣子列這個預算提案是因為當時我們在調查這個不管是塑膠袋、濾青、然後醫材用品等等這些東西的一些的我們有講這個廠商拱斷的一個行為但是在你們質詢跟委員的應答過程我覺得這個即時性以及這個KPI對應的結果好像不是那麼的精進 |
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那另外的話呢就是我的第五點我一直在質詢的就是說你對這個新型態的這一個數位平台的一個競爭那你們的研究的能量以及未來對應的這個KPI的做法就是你應該要跑在別人的前面不管是在這一個演算法的一個拱段資料的串通甚至包含像剛剛謝委員講的 |
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這些所謂的數位平臺之間可能是間接然後資料的交換演算法的定價或者是對這些平臺的這個員工客戶商店的一個不公平的一個行為那這個比較看不到因為它比較是屬於技術面那當主委也說過這個好像這個我們的人才技術不足所以我這邊的提案是凍結80萬那我想請這個主委稍微說明一下 |
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謝謝委員的提醒跟建議我想裡面談的東西的確都是大部分都是本會面臨所目前所面臨需要再進一步精進跟改善的地方那另外一半有些問題的確是受制於人員的編制還有預算的一些限制那我想我們會持續去改進尤其像物價的部分我們是有在配合做配合行政院在做一些物價的一些 |
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即時性的監測還有一些即時性的改進那委員很關心那個數位的部分這部分也是我們未來執法的一個很重要的重點那我們最近發布了AI政策聲明的白皮書這也是花了很多時間那同樣也是投入很多的心血來完成那當然我們就人力跟技術人才來講 |
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如果要跟先進國家來比的話 我們的確是還有點落差所以就如同我在業務報告有跟委員報告過的就是我們大概就從在我們的預算範圍之內就會內的人才我們來精進訓練那當然這部分還包含對委外啦還有跟學者專家的合作目前短期來講就是靠這個方法來精進那長期來講當然我們要繼續進一步思考如何提升自己的數位執法能力 |
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那不過就是因為這方面的精進的確需要有相當這個資金的投入尤其像軟硬體的設備的增進所以我們是覺得說如果這邊可以的話委員是不是可以改組決議啊那我們會提一個詳細的書面報告來跟委員說明到底未來我們要怎麼做那大概是我們的想法目前大概是這樣 |
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好我這邊原本是動80萬你這個是384萬好這個請你改成我就寫成那個一樣主決議第11案但是我希望將來我們在質詢還是強化追蹤你的這些數位平台跟這個績效指標的即時性好不好OK |
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這一節的話看起來預算就照列第一節的預算就照列因為其他委員看一下邱映穎委員有沒有第六案你要改主決議還是第六案改主決議其他委員 |
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好所以我們第一節的這個預算我們就照列那其他的話相關依主決議的改變便利好那接下來我們進行這個第二節的一個預算主要的話是從第13案到第23案 |
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那這邊稍微經過一些公民會跟委員的溝通第16案呂玉玲委員改組決議第17案邱志偉委員提案改組決議第18案邱志偉委員改組決議第20案陳昌明委員改組決議第21案陳昌明委員改組決議第22案陳昌明委員改組決議 |
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那其他有列案然後在場的委員有鍾嘉斌委員第23案鍾委員23案有沒有好23的部分呢也可以改成主決議請那個公評會就我們的提案內容啊來做個提出他的說明就書面報告 |
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好那個主委這樣可以好 遵照辦理那目前的話在場的委員大部分還有一些都改組決議所以我們第二節的預算這個照列其他有些改成組決議的請遵照辦理 |
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好那接下來的話我們進行這個第三節的預算從第24案到第29案那其中的話呢第25案李玉玲委員該主決議第27案邱志偉委員該主決議第28案賴瑞榮委員該主決議其他在場的委員在這一幕也沒有提案 |
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其他委員有沒有要說明的 沒有沒有的話我們第三節的預算我們就照列 |
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好接下來我們進行第4節的這個預算那主要第4節的預算來講的話我們從第30案到第36案那其中呢第32案呂玉玲委員該主決議第34案邱志偉委員該主決議主席我36案也該主決議好36案請對邱玉玲委員說明 |
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對 邱映穎委員 |
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比36案改組決議好那楊瓊瑩委員第30案30案我們有討論過所以勤勉努力做所以我們現在改組決議好 30案改組決議 |
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所以我稍微再重整一下所以第30案楊瓊瑩改組決議邱毓穎委員第36案改組決議另外這個張家俊委員的提案均改為組決議那等一下議事委員再宣讀另外那個13案啦13號也改組決議楊瓊瑩委員13案改組決議 |
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好 所以我們第四節的預算就照列接下來我們進行第五節的一個預算37案到第39案那其中第38案 呂育芸委員改組決議鍾嘉斌委員第39案也改組決議好 菜場委員沒有異議所以我們第五節的預算我們也是照列 |
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好 接下來的話呢 我們進到組決議的部分那第40案組決議陳昌明委員組委組召辦理 41組42組決議4344有修正的嘛你要到那個 對要錄到 我們再重來一遍 從組決議第40案開始 |
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遵照辦理第41組決議遵照辦理第42組決議遵照辦理第43組決議遵照辦理第44依照修改後的文字遵照辦理第45修正通過了再來第45組決議遵照辦理第46組決議遵照辦理 |
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47 遵照辦理我們召喚通過 48組決議 遵照辦理召喚通過 49 遵照辦理50組決議 遵照辦理召喚通過 51 遵照辦理召喚通過 52 遵照辦理召喚通過 53 遵照辦理 |
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召喚通過54 遵照辦理召喚通過55 遵照辦理召喚通過56 遵照辦理召喚通過57 依修改文字遵照辦理好 修正通過58 遵照辦理召喚通過59 依修改文字遵照辦理好 修正通過再來60 遵照辦理召喚通過 |
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好那我們現在回過來處理這個通案的第二案那你們的主決議進行到好那我們先進行下一個反托拉斯基金的預算 |
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好那第61案邱志偉委員改組決議第62案賴銳龍委員改組決議第63案邱志偉委員改組決議再來楊瓊英第62到67那我們接下來是楊瓊英委員65案 |
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好 謝謝主席 要請發言針對於強化反托拉斯執行計畫的部分我也是要勉勵 所以經過溝通之後我們改組決議 謝謝好 65 案改組決議張嬌俊委員 66 案改組決議呂毅林委員的話也改組決議 |
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所以我們第62到第67案這一個強化反托拉斯執法的計畫這個預算照列 |
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好那接下來我們進行第68到74案主要是在數位經濟的這個競爭的政策研究跟倡議那提案第70案陳超明委員改組決議73案邱志偉委員改組決議72案張家俊委員改組決議74案陳超明委員改組決議 |
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那在場的人 楊全文委員 第71案好 謝謝 楊全發言數位經濟競爭政策研究及倡議計畫這個部分我個人認為非常非常的重要但是我們沒有看到當位要怎麼樣去精進所以還是要聽聽當位因為在書面資料裡頭我們看不出精進的方案 請做說明來 請主任說說 |
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謝謝委員的指導那個有關數位經濟的部分因為它包含的範圍非常大那科技的進步非常快所以我們是持續不斷的進一進當然我剛剛稍微講過距離先進國家的標準我們是還有一段落差需要改進但是就會內的部分我們會強化同仁的數位執法能力 |
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那對於這個技術面的部分我們會持續去精進我們軟硬體的設施因為畢竟要處理數位經濟你本身內部要有足夠的數位的執法工具那這個部分我們的資金市還有各處市都持續不斷來做那根據關於在台灣在我國比較重視的一些數位的問題包含不實廣告數位不實廣告這都是新興的議題那我們也都持續不斷的往這邊來思考那甚至我也要求公經處對不實廣告這一塊 |
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如何透過一些數位工具來偵測AI的執法AI的布施廣告等等我們都持續在做那因為數位經濟的執法本來就會比較需要有預算的投入它資金比較大所以這個部分是不是可以如果委員同意的話是不是就可以改成主決議那我們可以提一個詳細的書面報告給委員來說明未來我們要怎麼做 |
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主席各位同仁因為昨天我們也跟抒發部在討論現在政府做到目前為止就是各自做各自的但是民眾需要的是橫向橫向的一個整合因為橫向的整合單位獨自不可能 |
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唯一就是這個書畫部那書畫部你有沒有要來做整合的這個事情因為有多少個單位都是重複而且各自發的時候到時候層級不一變成要橫向整合的時候也沒有辦法 |
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這是我們昨天在跟蘇阿波在討論的所以本席要勉勵的也就是說當然現在我們自己內部要怎麼樣能夠去執行之很重要但是也不可能你們自己做一定是委外 |
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那我们就非常的这个跟抒发部昨天在讨论就是说你委外的时候参差不齐因为你也不能去你们单位到底你的成绩在哪里所以我们昨天有一个希望也就是建立给抒发部在横向的整合以及单位方面成立抒发部的目的就是这样子嘛那如果还一直放任给各单位各自去那 |
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這個到時候整合不起來那民眾也沒有得利啊各位報告一下就內部的部分我們的委外基本上我們不會隨隨便便找委外的單位大概都是國內知名的研究單位像太經院還有這個施策會等等那至於對外橫向的聯繫這個其實我們在很多在政策的制定上跟個案的審理上我們都會跟相關的主管機關有一些溝通甚至我們會開一個座談會 |
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但當然形式上沒有一個很實質說跨部會的一些機制存在不過就是實質上我們在公平教育競爭政策上只要涉及到譬如說數位的議題有一些技術面的甚至於關於數位發展政策的問題我們還是會徵詢數法部跟其他相關部會的這個意見實質上是有在做的所以跟委員大概補充說明一下 |
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好 那主席是不是容許如此那就是凍結一趴請他們把進進方案書面資料出來使得動之這樣子我們還是要因為如果陳儒剛剛所說的還是維持原來的還是會產生剛剛我所說的在昨天數碼部所產生的這個問題你把你的那個方向 |
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3833.146 |
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3840.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
所以我們第68到74我們要做凍結1%然後再書面報告一個月內好不好是的那就不用一個月書面報告好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3868.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3887.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
好 接下來我們進行組決議的部分第75案組決議 遵照辦理 遭案通過76案組決議 遵照辦理 遭案通過77組決議 遵照辦理 遭案通過78組決議 遵照辦理 遭案通過那我們現在回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3892.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3919.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
這一個通案的一個部分的第二案那謝委員的話就提案針對這個Grab併購付胖達涉及這個國外平台之間的整合那這個我們就列第二案就改成這個主決議這邊要宣讀一下第一案那個改為主決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
3921.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3940.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
Grab并购Fupenda案涉及跨国外送平台间的整合尤其公平交易委员会才在114年禁止Uber与Fupenda结合Grab最大股东就是Uber引发外界质疑Uber绕道并购Fupenda企图规避公平交易委员会先前禁止结合 |
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3940.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3940.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
這什麼數據及 |
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3980.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3994.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
兼的投資及控制數據兼及對市場競爭的可能影響審慎評估是否同意Grab與Fupenda之結合文憲依奉 洪義祥 楊瓊英 鍾嘉斌 新團斌 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
4002.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4022.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那現在的話請宣讀協商的結論宣讀協商結論公平交易委員會預算第二幕公平交易業務預算照列其中第一案第三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
4024.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4045.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
第二案改組決議 第三案 第四案 第五案 第六案 第七案 第八案 第九案 第十案 第十一案 第十二案 第十三案 第十一案 第十七案 第十八案 第二十案 二十一 二十二 二十五 二十七 二十八 三十 三十二 三十四 三十六 三十八 三十九均改為組決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
4046.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
4069.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
組決定部分第40案、第41、第42、第43均照案通過第44案修正通過第45案照案通過第46案修正通過第47至第50案均照案通過第51至56均照案通過第57案修正通過第58案照案通過第59案修正通過第60案照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
4073.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4075.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
跟證 第41項 遭案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
4087.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4102.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
反托是基金預算部分基金用途除第71案凍結1%提書面報告外區域預算金照列改為主決議的部分第61 62 63 65 66 67 70 72 73 74均改為主決議主決議部分75案 76案 77案 78案均照案通過宣傳品 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
4115.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4124.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
好 請問各位同仁 有有人提案的部分 照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分均照列 請問有異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
4128.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4148.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
無異議通過115年度公平交易委員會單位預算及反托拉斯基金預算經審查完略本次會議通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理正式別隨同機關別審查結果調整今日所列議程處理完略現在散會 |