| IVOD_ID |
17492 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17492 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-04T08:36:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-04T14:07:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:30:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a685ce9649e34646bc228746b604faa24a47807a15c9b8761715d557d2ca215d9be25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)。
二、繼續審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心115年度預算書案。
【6月3日、6月4日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:36:12 - 14:07:00 |
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谢谢大家 |
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現在繼續開會 本日會議議程為一繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算公務及非營業特種基金預算案二 繼續審查勞動部涵送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心115年度預算書案接下來我們介紹在場委員 王振旭委員 |
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兼列席的官員有勞動部洪森漢部長勞動力發展署黃玲玉署長勞動保險局白麗珍局長勞動基金運用局蘇玉清局長職業安全衛生署林玉堂署長 |
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勞動及職業安全衛生研究所王厚誠所長綜合規劃師丁玉珍師長勞動關係師王厚偉師長勞動保險師陳美女師長勞動福祉退休師黃維琛師長勞動條件及就業平等師黃綺雅師長 |
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勞動法務司副會資師長秘書處呂美玲代理處長會計處林美信處長資訊處曾斐瑜副處長有到嗎可是他今天說處長沒到處長有來嗎 |
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財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心黃敬淳代理執行長行政院主計總處公務預算處 |
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秋碧珠專門委員基金預算處劉亞斐科長 |
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現在繼續進行勞動部主管公務預算提案從109案開始滿案先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見再提醒一次於審查中如有提案改為主決議或原主決議文字有修改者請行政單位於提案處理時宣讀主決議文字修正部分接下來審109案那請行政機關說明 |
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委員大家早109案委員已經簽署同意改增列100萬元文字在第二段第二行的最後一句有一個稅率的稅改為歲月的稅以上109案改增列100萬元接下來續審110案 |
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110案委員已經簽署同意改為主決議那最後一句文字修正為原請勞保局積極取得國有房地保存被保險的重要檔案以尊潔租金及保障勞工權益以上110案改組決議 |
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並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審111案111案委員已經簽署同意改凍結一般行政10萬元最後一段文字修正為原凍結一般行政10萬元 勢勞動部勞工保險局一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 使得動之111案改凍結10萬科目調整一般行政 |
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並按照行政機關剛宣讀文字通過 接下來續審一百一十二案一百一十二案委員已經簽署同意改為主決議那第二行的後段逗號開始的文字修正為減少向外租用需求降低租金支出乃為長久之拒那以下文字刪除 |
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112案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審113案113案委員已經簽署同意改並案凍結一般行政300萬元文字部分的話第一段修正為115年度勞動部勞工保險局預算案於第一幕一般行政 |
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編列預算三十一億兩千九百九十三萬七千元那最後一段的文字修正為原凍結該項預算三百萬元四勞動部於兩個月內針對就業保險投保薪資上限與勞保脫鉤並向上提升並向未完委員會提出書面報告後使得動之一百一十三案改凍結三百萬元科目調整為一般行政可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審一百一十四案 |
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114案委員已經簽署同意改併案凍結一般行政300萬元文字部分的話第一段修正為115年度勞動部勞工保險局預算案與第一幕一般行政編列預算31億2993萬7千元以上114案改凍結300萬科目調整一般行政可併案接下來續審115萬 |
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115案委員已經簽署同意改為主決議文字部分的第一段刪除那第二段的倒數第二行從句號的正式員額縮減之後的文字全部刪除再來是第三段第四段的文字修正為查撐案人力涵蓋一般行政及保險業務等工作內容與正式人員執行之業務界限應明確維持行政穩定性及服務品質逗號公務機關應強化專業人力 |
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提升行政效能 原請勞動部勞工保險局三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 以上115案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審116案 |
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116號委員已經簽署同意改並案凍結一般行政300萬元文字部分的話從第二段的第二行開始修正為其中業務費732萬元設備費1150萬元逗點卻動用近2000萬元預算為說明搬遷規模檔案數量 |
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2016.852 |
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2035.389 |
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價體單價及施工內容等關鍵細項句號原凍結一般行政三百萬元是勞動部勞工保險局三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後時的動之一百一十六案改凍結三百萬科目調整一般行政可並案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審一百一十七案 |
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117案委員已經簽署同意改為主決議文字部分第一段刪除第二段第三行起改為原請勞保局持續尋覓公有房舍減少向外租用需求以減少公帑 |
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117案改组决议并按照行政机关宣读文字通过接下续审118案118案委员已经签署同意改为组决议最后一段的文字修正为原请劳动部劳工保险局定定明确绩效指标以确保社会福利津贴政策稳定推动保障全国民众保险权益以上 |
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118案改組決議必按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審119案119案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議那最後一段的文字修正為原請勞動部勞工保險局審慎辦理資通安全與個資保護提供勞工完善服務 |
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119案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審120案120案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議那最後一句改為請勞保局精進幾部案件審核作業依規定落實補助職業工會漁會運用多元管道宣導被保險權益令針對農職保被保險人協同在地農會加強宣導鼓勵實際從農者加保以提升服務效能保障被保險權益 |
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120案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下去審121案121案委員已經簽署同意改為凍結保險業務100萬元那文字部分的話在第三段的第二行第二句修正委勞保局應建立相關數據以上121案改凍結100萬科目修正為保險業務 |
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並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續呈一百二十二案一百二十二案委員已經簽署同意改為主決議文字部分的話在第三點的文字修正為原始為確保勞工保險制度財務健全長期永續請勞動部 |
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延逸整體財務改善方案包括費率調整機制給付結構合理化集中長期財務平衡規劃並於三個月內提出勞保財務改善書面報告以維護勞工保險制度之永續運作最後一段文字刪除以上好122案所案還是要提醒一下因為 |
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高齡少子化和給付支出的增加這些因素影響那勞工保險基金的財務壓力我覺得一定會持續的升高還是希望你們在要有勞工保險基金的財務健全與永續平衡的一個具體改善方案還有沿用長期收支平衡的機制來做確保未來能夠穩定運作跟勞工給付的權益 |
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2232.236 |
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那122案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審123案123案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議那文字部分在最後一段從第二行開始文字修正為因此潛藏負債通常都是有增無減未立問政及政策嚴寧施行請勞動部於六個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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2262.01 |
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123案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審124案124案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議那文字部分的話第一段刪除那第二段第三行的逗號開始文字修正為為保障該等外籍配偶家保權益勤勞勞工保險局持續向投保單位及作業人員宣導相關職業智能與法令遵循落實保障跨國婚姻家庭之勞動權益 以上 |
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好 謝謝主席那我們今天本席今天提這項提案主要是希望我們勞保局釐清一項基層實務上的作業落差目前有部分持有永久居留證的大陸地區的配偶反映在辦理家保的時候因為證件上少了免工作許可的註記字樣 |
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而遭到拒绝投保甚至被要求另行申请许可所以我们根据就业服务法的立法宗旨这类外籍与两岸配偶本来就应该享有免申请许可直接在台工作的权益那基层人员可能因为法令的更新或者认知的落差在无意间造成了技术性的行政障碍所以我们对于这资深嫁到台湾努力生活的 |
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這些陸配的朋友來說可能是一個很大的打擊所以我們為了保障基層勞工的勞動與社福的權益本席也請勞保局還有移民署一起研議避免類似的誤解再次發生好來提醒一下好所以主委同意剛剛的簽署嗎對同意就是說提醒一下好 |
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那124案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審125案 |
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125 案委員已經簽署同意改為主決議那文字部分在最後一段第三行開始修正為原請勞動部於三個月內就如何強化鼓勵雇用勞工一至四人事業單位提高成立投保單位及為受雇勞工投保勞保比例提出具體精進規劃以為勞工權益 以上好同意改組決議 |
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好 125案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審126案126案委員已經簽署同意改並案凍結一般行政300萬元文字部分的話第一段文字刪除 以上 |
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126案改冻结300万科目调整为一般行政可并案并按照行政机关刚宣读文字通过接下来续审127案127案委员已经签署同意改为主决议文字部分的话第一段第三段删除第二段第三行墨具开始改为劳保局应精进源头管理与防度机制以多元管道宣导减少诈取案件 |
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以上後邊全部刪除嗎對好127案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審128案128案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議文字部分的話第一段以及第五段刪除那第四段的第一句改為原要求勞動部及勞工保險局加四個字於三個月 |
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針對勞保投保薪資級距是否提高一級至48200還有最後一句以利後續制度研議及預算審查句號改成逗號然後加一句及勞保投保薪資分級表以救保脫鉤之修法於一個月內送行政院以上 |
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陳靜蕙委員好 謝謝我針對這個案子發言是因為這個案子在今年的勞動節的團體很多民團還有很多委員質詢都一直提到了這個勞保投保薪資急劇已經將近20年沒有真正的調整那薪資成長就沒有反應在今天上所以它影響了很多包括老人給付 傷病給付失能給付 生育給付還有未來的退休保障 |
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那我覺得之前因為常常得到的回應都是審慎嚴議但是沒有具體的進度所以我是要求說我可以配合勞動部建議的凍結金額但是我希望案有可以保留那可以承諾提出完整的評估包括提高到48200元的影響對勞工雇主政府負擔的估算還有對未來20年勞保給付收支跟基金財務的影響謝謝 |
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128 改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過129 因為留委員不在現場我們先行保留請行政機關報告 |
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委員已經簽署同意改併案凍結保險業務三十萬元那第一段文字修正為一百一十五年度勞動部勞工保險局預算案與第二夢保險業務編列預算六億四千兩百二十八萬四千元那最後一段的文字修正為原凍結該預算三十萬元是勞動部勞工保險局三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告使得動之以上 |
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好 129案改冻结30万科目调整保险业务可并案并按照行政机关宣读文字通过接下续审130案130案委员已经签署同意改冻结保险业务50万元提书面报告那文字部分的话在第一段的一二行修正为115年度劳动部劳工保险局预算案于第二幕保险业务向下编列预算6亿4228万4千元以上 |
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陳委員好 謝謝這案也是最近很多人重視的因為少子化跟高齡化所以我們一直鼓勵中高齡退休在就業比如說現在很多范例啊日本都在推動二度就業然後退休可是回到台灣的制度設計65歲以上繼續工作者的勞保權益很多地方都還沒有銜接上 |
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2641.216 |
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那他真的需要继续工作的时候保险保障雇主申报的责任职灾保障劳保职灾的衔接都必须要有规划所以既然政府一直鼓励二度就业延后退休那提高65岁以上继续工作者的投保保障就不应该是不能再延逸的事情所以这一案我是希望案有保留那至于冻结的金额就依照劳动部的建议谢谢 |
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2648.833 |
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131案委員已經簽署同意改併案凍結一般行政300萬元文字部分的話第一段刪除 |
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第三段最後兩行修正為相關預算雖持續投入兜號但勞保財務仍應持續關注及因應請勞動部研謀勞保財務改善對策以上131案改凍結300萬科目調整一般行政可並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審132案 |
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2708.397 |
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132案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議文字部分的話第二行的第二句刪除時長兩個字那另外是在第五行人帶精進的逗號後面加上請勞保局研議相關配套措施方能避免影響整體離島勞工權益句號那以下的文字刪除132案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審133案 |
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2725.522 |
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133項委員已經簽署同意改為主決議那文字部分的話第一行到第二行115年度那個預算的文字刪除那最後兩行改為原請根據強化提升職業公會與會投保核實性以上 |
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133案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審134案134案委員已經簽署同意改變案凍結保險業務20萬元那文字部分的話在最後一段的第三行開始修正為 |
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2764.118 |
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建於勞工保險及職業及職災保險制度攸關勞工基本生活保障原請持續精進保險費催收程序並宣導勞退提繳規定與罰則避免勞工權益受損原保險業務凍結二十萬元是勞動部勞工保險局三個月內向立法院社會福利局衛生環境委員會提出書面報告使得動之 |
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2766.635 |
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2786.912 |
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134案改凍結25萬科目調整為保險業務可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審135案135案委員已經簽署同意併案凍結保險業務20萬元文字部分的話第一段修正為115年度勞動部勞工保險局預算案於第二幕保險業務向下編列預算6億4228萬4千元 |
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2792.717 |
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2807.423 |
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那第三點的文字做文字修正原請依據衛福部提供診所職業醫師名冊針對診所醫師實際加保情形進行勾肌比對分析並研擬具體改善措施以上 |
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好 這一案是我提的也要提醒你們因為現在受僱醫師有很多種型態他們有時候是受僱多家診所跟醫療機構有時候就會多重的僱主跟部分公司的工作型態可是他的納保狀況那上次也開了我們協調會有王振旭委員召開所以我們還是希望說你們應該針對於這個受僱醫生整個納保的現況進行專案檢討來釐清否則的話會變成 |
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他們有在工作 可是好像沒有該有的保障 請你們要去做那135萬改凍結20萬科目調整為保險業務可併案 並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審136案 |
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136案委員已經簽署同意病案凍結保險業務20萬元那最後兩行的文字修正委故建議凍結保險業務20萬元待勞動部勞工保險局提出書面報告資本委員會後時的動之以上 |
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136案改動節20萬 科目調整為保險業務可併案並按照行政機關先讀文字通過 接下來續審137案137案委員已經簽署 同意改為主決議文字部分的話 刪除第一段跟第三段 以上 |
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137案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審138案138案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議文字部分第二段的最後一句以超過繳費寬限期句號改成逗號再加一句原請持續辦理催修程序那第三段文字刪除以上 |
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138案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審139案139案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議 那文字在倒數第三行起改為有沒有受到災保法的保障句號 原勞保局應提交正式書面報告 自立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會以了解子災勞工續保情形句號 以上 |
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139案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下去審140案 |
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140案委員已經簽署同意改為主決議那文字部分的話在第二段的第二行逗號起改為仍有13萬人尚未完成檢查句號那之後文字刪除那第三段的第三行起改為原請勞動部勞工保險局強化提高被保險人受檢率並向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以維護勞工健康以上 |
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一百四十案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審一百四十一案一百四十一案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議最後一段的文字修正為為保障職災勞工和負效率與生活安定勞動部勞工保險局應向立法院社會福利局衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以保障被保險權益以上 |
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141案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審142案142案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議那文字部分做一些修正刪除第一行跟第二行部分有關於預算編列的文字那另外在倒數第三行的最後一句起修正為原請勞保局持續強化行政效能並落實基層農民之職業安全保障句號 |
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142案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審143案143案委員已經簽署同意改為組決議那文字部分的話第一行到第二行的預算文字刪除那在最後三行部分原凍結該算預算百分之五以下的這些文字也全部刪除 以上143案 |
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改组决议并按照行政机关宣读文字通过接下来续审144案144案委员已经签署同意改为组决议那最后一句修正为原请劳保局精进退休金提缴及勤领之申办与受理作业扩大线上申办服务并积极运用多元管道宣导劳保局依换服务以减少委外作业及游资支出减少零贵或电话服务需求提升行政与服务效能以上 |
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144案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審145案145案黃秀芳委員同意科目改為一般行政並案凍結100萬元 委員已簽署145案改凍結100萬 科目調整一般行政可並案 |
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並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審146案146案同意檢列100萬元委員已簽署146案改檢列100萬元科目自行調整因為盧委員這邊還沒簽署啊 147案有嗎 |
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148案 委員同意併案凍結100萬元 委員已簽署 |
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不過還是要提醒這案是我提案的就是我覺得現在製造業高齡勞工還是占比比較偏高而且現行檢班休息通報資料如果還沒有建立年齡層統計跟追蹤機制比較難以掌握這也是我進來之後一直對於所謂55歲以上然後被無預警的去要求離職這都會造成他們的一個家庭的一個支撐事實上是 |
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會有問題的所以這種比較變相性的一個資錢跟優退或退出勞動市場這都我們就已經在缺工就反而是讓資方有這樣的一個作為所以希望勞動部就減班休息勞工年齡分佈的追蹤和中高齡勞工離職後留相 |
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的一個調查 因為那時候事實上是負擔最大的就卻又被吳玉璟的要求用優退的方式或是變相的之前所以未來是不是可以有植物在設計培養技能培養跟轉業輔導這個都要去執行要提出方案來再麻煩勞動部那148案改凍結100萬 |
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可並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審149案149案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於兩個月內勞發署盤點人力缺口並向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出人力結構優化與承攬人力權益保障書面報告 |
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149案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審150案150案同意改為組決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告150案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審151案 |
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151案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署續名文書暨事務勞務委外之需求辦公廳設等相關預算用途及暴增原因於一個月內向立法院未還委員會提出書面報告151案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審152案 |
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152案同意改為簡列兩萬兩千元好針對這個案子就是我們那時候是針對放寬規劃外國人適用促進新住民就業補助作業的要點那當初這在113年3月的時候本席針對 |
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質詢此事以來那時候也歷經了我們5月有開了專家諮詢會議那本系也多次私下的關心進度那時候其實早在去年2月勞發署就完成了法制作業那時候一直以配合新住民基本法施行為由那拖到了8月那本系也認為這個多等待的這半年其實對於新住民促進 |
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的工作其實是有損害的影響到新住民的權益所以本來是全部減劣那後來溝通過那我也希望說以後還是針對這部分來多加注意那所以我們目前就協調同意就減劣署長特別費就改為十分之一好 洪部長 |
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好首先先謝謝圖偉仁因為其實圖偉仁一直在新入民的就業的問題上面非常的關注那尤其是也在我們這個就業補助的作業要點上面其實有給我們很多蠻重要的建議那也包括剛剛講到 |
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這個方寬規劃的外國人適用的這個點所以也是因為突然的這樣的質詢所以我們其實也做了通盤的考慮以後所以後來做了制度上面跟要點上面的修訂那所以我想第一個還是很謝謝 |
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突然其實願意接受包括我們後來再跟突然辦公室溝通以後的這個預算審查的這個這個方案然後那我想未來也還是會需要突然這邊在針對包括更多新住民就有關的一些建議可以再給我們多的一些指教或建議然後那我想我們一起把新住民就業的工作做得更好這樣子 |
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謝謝讀完可以嗎那150案改簡列兩萬兩千元接下來續審153案 |
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153案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出租用辦公廳設必要性書面報告 |
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153案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審154案154案同意改為勞動力發展業務跨國勞動力延攬中心業務凍結500萬元委員已簽署 |
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154案改凍結500萬 科目調整為勞動力發展業務跨國勞動力延攬中心業務 接下來續審155案155案同意改為主決議 文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告155案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審156案 |
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156案同意改為主決議請勞動部勞動力發展署與一個院內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告156案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審157案 |
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157案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告就外籍失戀移工或無意兒少所衍生醫療費呆帳之現況釐清並提出因應政策與具體解決方案王振旭委員 |
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好 謝謝主席是同意改成組決議不過到目前為止失聯移工還有他無醫的兒少所衍生的醫療代帳問題對第一線的醫療院所還有對於社福的安置體系以及地方政府都形成了沉重的負擔可是到目前為止一直都沒有很好 |
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沒有完整的具體的制度設計來改善這個困境所以是同意改成組決議不過很期待針對這樣的議題能夠更有效的來解決就麻煩部裡面真的需要好好的加把勁在這個部分是謝謝委員指導我們在跟各國的雙邊會議裡面也都會把這個議題放進去那也會加強跟在地住處的相關的單位做聯繫是 |
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157案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審158案158案同意改為組決議 委員已簽署文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告158案 |
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改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審159案159案同意改為組決議委員已簽署文字修正委請勞動部勞動力發展署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告159案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審160案 |
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160案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審161案 |
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161案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告陳清輝委員有沒有要表達意見161案同意161案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審162案 |
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162案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告162案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審163案 |
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163案同意改為主決議文字修正為原請勞動力發展署於三個月內向立法院提出國際勞工事務相關文獻因應之文件清單翻譯用途預計篇幅為外必要性之具體說明163案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審164案164案同意改為凍結訓練發展一萬元委員已簽署 |
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陳金薇薇謝謝針對這一案我發言一下因為青年就業問題不只是失業率表面的數字勞動部自己有推動一個投資青年就業方案可是關鍵績效的指標裡面包括青年失業率相對於整個國家失業率的倍數 |
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20到24歲青年失業率跟其他OECD國家的差距15到24歲青年勞參率的差距這些指標我查了一下都沒有達標所以這個代表我們跟先進國家比或是跟我們自己幫自己設定的政策目標比都還有落差那我知道勞發署每年有辦很多資訊就業協助跟相關課程可是我們想問的是這些訓練到底有沒有真的幫助到他們訓後就業率如何找得到就穩定的 |
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跟產業對接的工作這些是希望之後報告可以提出來的所以這案並不是要阻礙勞發署做執訓是希望勞發署針對青年就業指標未達標的原因還有執訓課程規劃訓後就業追蹤參訓的誘因還有產業做連結提出具體的改善方案所以這案就凍結十萬元謝謝黃部長幾萬那個陳經緯委員好 |
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一萬一萬因為剛剛這邊看到一萬這個我簽我們已經簽了好那我們就改為一萬元那希望看到你們的具體改善方案好嗎黃部長好那個我知道陳委員其實一直很關心青年就業的問題然後其實我們現在的確是青年的失業率目前還是比OECD國家低一些 |
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但是確實確實未來高一些高一些但是確實未來包括一些新的科技進來然後這都會讓青年的就業的傾向那開始出現一些跟過去不太一樣的樣態那我們也非常關注這件事情所以也謝謝委員的提醒那我們會把剛剛委員提到了幾個政策的工具 |
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那來做一次的檢討然後那這檢討裡面也希望接下來能夠更大程度來改善這件事情謝謝謝謝 |
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那部長我可不可以稍微請問一下所以你現在想要改善的是哪一個部分最多因為我剛講了很多不同的原因可能的不同原因第一個是其實剛剛在講的裡面包括一些包括訓練的內容尤其是參訓的內容那我自己認為說我們有必要現在也需要有些與時俱進 |
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那尤其是由從年輕人的需求的角度包括跟他們就業傾向的角度我覺得這邊我們也在做要做一些調整跟精進所以跟委員剛剛其實講幾個方向是相符好謝謝所以確定一萬好那164案改凍結一萬客戶調整為訓練發展可病案接下來續審160萬 |
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165案改為凍結勞動力發展業務50萬元同意併案處理專案報告改為書面報告165案改凍結50萬科目調整為勞動力發展業務可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審166案 |
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166案同意改為主決議文字修正為原請勞動部勞動力發展署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出青年就業獎勵金機制改善計畫書面報告166案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過167案應該還沒拿到盧委員的那他今天不在那我們就保留167案先行保留接下來續審168案 |
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168案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展屬於兩個月內向立法院社會及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告168案事實上是我提案我認為勞動部能在少年就業準備計畫已經逐步在精進可是怎麼會在青年就業這一塊 |
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我覺得還是要再努力了所以我們很希望因為現在看起來就是能存在是學用的一個落差跟子癌探索的資源不足跟非典型就業會比例是偏高的他出任新資成長有限的這些問題所以就會是有些青年一旦畢業後就會面臨到他的求職或是轉嫌都不順甚至就業穩定性會不足還有低度就業的這些狀況所以要希望 |
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勞動部能夠加強處理關於青年失業跟低度的就業的成因和職癌探索跟產學接軌的機制跟數位及新興科技技能的培訓因為我覺得你的少年就業率準備計畫已經在做我就覺得這樣子連貫銜接上去是非常好的所以在這一塊還是要多手努力再麻煩168案 |
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改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審169案169案同意改為組決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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169案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審170案170案同意改為組決議文字修正為請向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告170案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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接下來171案171案同意改為凍結20萬元專案報告改為書面報告專案兩個字刪除好171案我提案的因為上週我們也還在跟團體開記者會針對於我們的身心障礙者本來勞動殘餘率就長期偏低可是現行好像你的統計數據跟政策 |
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的評估機制還是有精進的空間啦 沒辦法去充分掌握不同章別年齡教育程度跟特殊需求的就業的一個需求狀況尤其我覺得現在有一個比較大的問題就是我們現在的定額禁用的制度雖然已經建立了可是我們知道有的在學校有的甚至我在剛進來的時候就發現有專門公司是開立專門來收企業要 |
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我們的定額金融都同一個在一個一家外包公司裡面現在甚至在校園裡面所以我覺得這當初原意是希望能伸展著他們漸進式的在進入到職場裡面能夠被前期做訓練結果你現在反而變成事實上好像不是保障他他們好 |
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而且在學校可能會有一些被濫用的那個狀況我不知道署長這邊是委員這個有關這個特殊的某一些企業有這樣比較特殊的狀況我們已經約同了這個教育部還有地方政府我們近期就會入場去輔導跟他們座談 |
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希望他們對於這些禁用的孩子能夠有真實的這個職場的一些職涯的輔導而不是只是把定額禁用的額度用足就好對我們在做文書做這些東西根本就不是訓練他的職能而且我們辦公室也搜了好幾個申訴案學校根本有時候會變成事實上是 |
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我跟老師的關係我給你可是我給你這favor可是沒有在做孩子的這些訓練甚至有些時候事實上對於他們在使用這些人力的時候並不是怎麼樣能夠去尊重所以我覺得這都要去考慮來 洪部長 |
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我有看到委員上開的記者會那其實的確如果單純從電額禁用的量的角度來說其實在整個政策工具上是不太夠的這也是為什麼我們其實從去年我們就非常高度的關注這個合理調整的原因因為其實在產業要有做合理調整的資能的時候我們比較期待的那個值能夠促進穩定就業的狀況其實才會發生 |
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不然若單只是看量的管制的話其實都會有所不足我覺得這幾個工具之間要相輔相成我們是這樣子想這件事情 |
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因為不能是說指充量說要達到93%可是重點是那這些人本來不是要他們先做職業訓練結果反而是在做文書然後集中的時候根本沒有什麼會升遷的管道也不見得好事如果你用在有竟然有公司是特別為服務這些大企業然後把生意障礙集中在一個單位裡面另外一個就是我們校園的這一塊 |
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我自己是希望說如果有公司服務大企業這方面的話他應該最好是他連同服務一起服務合理調整的協助啦那因為確實合理調整也是一門專業不過我們還是會從行政部門的角度盡量的來推動用協作的方式 |
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那就再麻煩尤其勞動部要跟教育部真的要好好的討論這一塊接下來171案改凍結20萬那文字按照行政機關宣讀通過那接下來續審172案 |
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172案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出生長者職務再設計補助與企業禁用媒合成效分析書面報告 |
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172案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審173案173案同意改為組決議請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告173案 |
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改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審174案174案同意刪減一千萬委員已簽署科目自行調整抱歉 文字修正委員提案刪除勞動力發展延展中心業務新台幣一千萬元及凍結預算新台幣五百萬元等文字以下都刪除174案改簡列一千萬 |
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不得併案接下來續審175案175案同意併案檢列5%421萬5千元科目自行調整175案改檢列5%科目可自行調整可併案接下來續審176案176案同意併案凍結300萬元我願意簽署 |
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176萬改凍結300萬可併案接下來續審177案177案委員同意併案凍結500萬元委員也簽署文字修正如下1000萬的部分請改為500萬然後完成法制作業程序後並等相關文字刪除專案改為書面報告 |
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177案改凍結500萬可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審178案同意併案凍結300萬元委員已簽署178案改凍結300萬可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審179案 |
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179案委員是關切有關跨國勞動力演覽中心今年編列了8430萬那執聘制度也推動近20年了但是比例偏低那委員希望我們要能夠通盤檢討執聘制度 |
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那在這邊也跟委員說明有關為了要提升職聘效能其實我們這兩年來大概大力的去做了一些檢討跟修正包括在今年的中部跟南部我們也增設了職聘分中心希望能夠擴大服務的量能那此外呢我們也在這個整個 |
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業者還有僱主在申請的整個流程上我們有一個專案在進行整個流程的簡化我們希望能夠增加這個職聘工作的這個可敬性提升它的用量 |
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呃陳經緯委員好謝謝這一案是幾乎非常多委員從這一屆開始就一直在追蹤的就職聘制度那我們當然都希望說可以減少仲介的依賴而且這個也被很多國際的組織在看觀察我們的狀況但是呢預算中心這邊有指出執行中心過去從 |
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9處縮到1處現在115年又要增加3處我們也希望官員這邊可以回覆我們說為什麼過去從9處縮到1處然後現在又要從1到3這中間的政策評估是什麼 |
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这是第一个问题那第二个问题是目前也只有这是你们自己的内部调查53%的事业体知道直接聘雇制度实际使用的比例更低因为知道是53%但知道不代表会去使用那这个代表的问题不只是据点的数量而是你刚讲的这些宣导流程便利性文件等等的那这边可以请回答上述两个问题吗 |
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當時執聘分中心大量廣設目的是為了用力推執聘但推動一段時間後發現國人使用執聘意願偏低可能也是基於行政效能的準決 |
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所以我們在這個評估上所以當時候就把整個服務就集中在北區的這個職聘中心那這個從去年我們又再評估了以後我們認為 |
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其實執聘業務可能需要還是有在地的進變性所以如果只有一處北處的執聘中心恐怕這個方便性還是不足所以我們經過內部的評估我們認為至少在中部跟南部應該還是要有實體的據點那方便在地民眾的送件那所以我們中間的這個轉折應該是也是基於 |
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為了讓業者使用上的方便以及我們宣導的在地性所以工作上有了這樣的變化 |
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我覺得這個預算中心有找出你們很奇怪的問題從九處縮到一處又增加到三處然後說原本希望大幅擴展表示你大幅擴展做的沒有效果然後縮到一處現在又說其他地方還是需要又變三處所以這案我提保留這個凍結案然後凍結兩百萬請勞動部提出專案跟書面報告 謝謝黃部長 |
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第一個謝謝陳委員關心這個我們職聘的狀況我其實想做點說明我整體來說整體來說我們都認為 |
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政府在移工的聘僱過程裡面應該要扮演的角色跟量能要更大的這是整體來說那職聘是其中的一種形式職聘是其中一種形式那對我們現在來說因為現在大家在關注強迫勞動的問題包括移工收費的問題其實職聘一定會是大家會希望能夠擴增量能的事情 |
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但我們現在在進行的事情其實不只是職聘的擴大設點我們其實還搭配著我們希望把整個聘僱過程裡面的一些程序給簡化因為的確過去可能會有一個狀況雖然職聘的點多可是當整個流程他的整個的流程聘僱的流程比較繁複的時候對於一些僱主來說他可能覺得他不太有能力去自己來完成這些職聘的工作所以這件事情其實是會需要有一個內外的配套搭配的 |
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你的聘僱流程必須要簡化你的外部我的外部的意思是你必須跟外來人國更大程度的來去做洽商包括移工的來源的這個穩定性跟量的這個問題這個會有個內外之間的配套所以我們其實是在去年做了一些相關的檢討後我們認為除了點的擴大以外我們其實也希望簡化一些流程那一步一步的把政府在聘僱移工的過程的量能給做起來 |
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當然這不是要去說消費消滅仲介或者是什麼可是的確會覺得在評估過程裡面應該有更多政府的角色這比較有助於去因應未來國際越來越關注強迫勞動議題的時候我們能夠去把控的程度以上 |
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謝謝主席那這邊我是覺得剛這樣子聽下來就乾脆從9處縮到3處就好了就中間很多多此一舉的行為所以我是接受凍結200萬然後提出專案或書面報告或者是如果如果不同意那我們就送保留就好了謝謝 |
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後面暗油差很多暗油差很多 |
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那我們這個就先保留好了好 謝謝那要閉案嗎不用那179案改凍結200萬對接下來續審180案180案是王玉明委員他是有簽署嗎沒有的話那我們就先行保留好保留181案 |
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科目是什麼科目是跨國勞動力延攬中心業務文字念一下好不好 |
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同意併案檢列兩百萬元科目改為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務科目自行調整181案檢列兩百萬可併案科目可自行調整那接下來續審182案182案併案凍結三百萬元改為書面報告 |
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有 科目有調整嗎182案喔 對不起 同意科目改為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務好 182案改凍結300萬科目調整為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務可併案並改成書面報告接下來 續審183案 |
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183案同意改為併案凍結100萬元委員已簽署183案是我的提案還是要再提醒也就是現在都是缺工的一個狀態那當然現行中階技術人員的申請永久居留資格之一是要取得以及技術式的證照 |
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可長期照顧相關的我們的職位目前僅設有丙級的證照 尚無乙級的證照制度導致我們現在照顧服務的產業資格這義工難以透過這樣的專業技能的認定來取得相關資格是因為沒有社所以就會影響到流財政策推動成效可是我們現在又非常需要這些照顧服務的人力所以勞動部就長期照顧領域中階技術人力的技能 |
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認定機制跟永久居留的那個資格銜接的措施提出具體的 |
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檢討改進措施希望你們可以處理跟委員說明有關這個部分是規範在移民法裡面永久居留者必須有兩倍基本工資或者是相關的專業技術證明那證照的是其中一個方式那再來就是薪資那薪資目前已經有點偏高快要到六萬所以我們也跟移民署有在溝通是不是在這個部分可以做多元認定那我們雙邊還在討論當中好 以上 |
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好 接下來183案改凍結100萬可併案接下來續審184案 |
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184案是陳委員這邊關切跨國勞動力延攬中心與本部現有的業務多有重疊那相關法制作業跟人力配置尚未完備就編列相關經費恐有困難那這邊再跟委員說明有關跨國勞動力精進方案是我們去年就已經報行政院核定的一個專案那行政院核定專案之後裡面有 |
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附帶的就是有關同意我們先以任務編組的方式成立演覽中心並且也合配了我們預算員而是市民的職員那我們也目前也正在逐步的禁用當中那所以這個單位的設立呢是有所依據的 |
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只是說後面我們會持續朝向跟人種爭取正式的組設這是後面要努力的作為有關延攬中心跟現行的相關的其他各中心其實還是工作有別 |
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因為它的重點是為了要從海外直接延攬技術人力然後透過一個國對國的方式所以我們有一個很大的工作就是要在海外也要建立四國的據點那透過這四國的據點與當地的政府直接對接那我們以執聘的方式延攬技術人力那中間呢我們也需要建立一個資訊平台 |
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就是當這個人力資料庫成立的時候呢我們可以直接在境內讓我們的雇主在平台上進行選工那海外的部分呢移工收到這個需求之後我們可以要求相應的技術人力以及語言能力的人可以透過這個測驗或者是語測通過之後我們進到這個人力資料庫所以這個相關的工作其實是需要一些經費來促成所以這個部分希望委員能夠支持 |
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我先向主席報告我就184案跟188案一起說然後這個是可以併案的因為他們講的東西是一樣的那我一起說明這兩案都是在討論跨國勞動力延攬中心這個新單位的設置問題但是剛剛官員也講得非常清楚了它其實就是類似一個國與國之間 |
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那我們現在連職聘都做不好剛剛自己也承認說50%的人知道實際有應用的人更少所以我不知道你到底重心是要放在哪裡那另外呢你只有說到不同可是你沒有說不同在哪邊因為你既有已經有跨國勞動力管理組然後預算書其實你沒有把你們之後要跟跨國勞動力管理組的分工 |
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讲清楚那组织精简这件事情我们已经讲了20几年了所以本来我们就应该要更精实更有弹性更有效率而不是你现在推出一个计划就设一个新的中心增加一批人那这个案子比较让人家担心的是说你刚才也说14名正式人员然后你要跟这个人总说但是其实还有16名的承揽人员你这个是没有讲的 |
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你剛沒有說出來這些成長人員不是通過國家考試進來的常任文官所以我們要知道的是其他這些人要怎麼經用有沒有公開程序他的職務內容是什麼那預算中心也已經點出來這個新單位和既有職長的性質有重疊的疑慮 |
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那为什么把184跟188合并来说明是因为184是关于人力跟组织问题188是关于投资设备问题所以188也没有讲清楚是要买什么系统买几套然后什么 |
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什么硬体都没有列出细项跟劳动部既有的外国人工作许可移工管理跨国服务系统跨国的劳动力服务系统有什么差别这些都没有说所以希望官员现在可以回答是说16名成男人的你未来是不是公开招募你的标准是哪里 |
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那這個所謂的跨國勞動力延攬中心你的主管主任是現在勞動部正式的公務員過去擔任的嗎那這個中心你剛才有說不同你跟跨國勞動力管理組還有跨國勞動力事務中心你們三個要怎麼分工然後2000萬的設備細項也要講清楚對 |
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那最後我是希望這兩岸並暗凍結500萬然後沒有要沒有要這個調科目是原科目嗎你的他們要回答好來洪部長 |
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那个我来跟成员说明其实就像成员其实大家很在意像这个国对国的执聘哦其实常常大家都会讲到说日本跟韩国他们的这个国对国的部分哦确实现在做的比较好但是其实日本跟韩国做国对国执聘的时候他们都会有一些海外据点的设定那但是日本跟韩国他们海外据点设定里面也会有跟民间的之间的合作比方模式有不太不太一样 |
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那我们过去呢就像刚刚成员说的是我们是有管理组管理组是在国内做政策的规划那事务中心事务中心其实是做聘雇相关案件审核的这样子的执行的工作可是我们相比于日本跟韩国他们其实都有海外的 |
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演览据点进行相关演览的任务这个所谓演览的任务意思是他也必须要了解我们其实一些来源国他们目前在当地他的劳动力的状况包括比方说我们接下来如果要招揽特定的技能的人的话如果我们都只在国内的话我们其实对海外的状态是完全不清楚的 |
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这是为什么要把人派到海外的据点去了解当地的劳动力市场跟劳动力聘雇的状况因为每个国家可能又有差异的不同可是我们过去其实对海外的情境的了解是不够的所以现在是希望能够透过演览中心把人派出去以后能够更清楚 |
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这些我们希望能够更积极的招揽的对象他在海外到底我举个例子来说像刚刚那个赵伟刚刚说的希望有技术的照顾人力可是在不同国家技术招募人力他的到底技术程度到什么程度哪些学校有在授课哪些训练的机构如何哪些检定 |
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有检定的机制这需要了解海外的状况的所以延揽中心有一个很重要的目的就是要了解在海外的地方去作为对接那这其实也是相对补足比方说我们跟日本跟韩国之间说实话大家都讲到韩国的国对国韩国的国对国里面他们是有一个很大的团队在海外来做招揽工作的可是过去台湾是没有的我们只有在境内的事务中境内的事务中他是做省合建 |
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的工作跟政策规划的管理组所以这是延展中心我们期待他的角色拜的地方可是他的确是一个很大的挑战性因为他还要去适应外国或来源母国各种不同的状况那我们陆陆续续开始要把一些人员给派出去那刚刚委员刚才讲到第一个延展中心我们的主任是由公务员来担任当然的那派出去的也会有公务员可是他在当地其实他需要一些协助他执行任务的角色 |
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的协同者这有可能要从当地来找因为他才了解地方上那个莱恩母国的状况这是所谓这个人员编制的逻辑在这边所以我是想要恳请委员是不是因为现在假设如果是用这个科目然后要动500万的话这真的会让我们这些工作的任务变得很难进是不是能够把这个金额再缩减 |
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因為剛剛沒有回答到他現在是要派人到國外所以是這16名還是也包括那14名的正式人員那未來他們是不是公開招募禁用的標準是什麼因為你們剛剛也有講到說必須要熟悉當地但是你當地也要還要在委外你變成你找了一個熟悉當地的可是當地也還要再找人你剛剛的意思是這樣 |
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那刚有讲到188案是关于你的设备投资的细项没有列清楚所以你这边要不要稍微讲一下你这些设备投资的细项还是说你再交报告给我然后我们之后再来因为刚刚赵伟已经说维持原科目 |
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這可不可以考慮一下委員我可以說明一下嗎好謝謝那剛剛您所詢的那14位是我們延攬中心的職員他們是公務員那16個委外人力是因為那個中心14個人其實人力是不夠的那因為現在人總並沒有給我們額外的編制所以我們只能用現有的這個14名來做那因為人力不夠所以我們是用委外的標案來 |
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把剩下的人再補足但也不是一次就16名我們分兩階段依照業務的成長我們逐步禁用這是第一個人力的部分那海外有派8個人那8個人是派製在海外的編制那可能預算在這邊不會呈現因為他是在人事那這8個人也不是一次他是分年分階段我們今年已經在菲律賓設據點了所以已經有兩位同仁派駐過去那後面還有三處據點我們會陸續 |
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所以這個是原額的配置部分那系統的部分呢因為剛有跟您說明我們需要一個在線上有一個所謂的人力資料庫的建置以及讓國內企業可以在線上選工面試的一個系統那希望透過這個系統也可以跟來源國能夠對接我們可以減少一些行政上的損耗所以這個系統的目的建置目的是在這裡 |
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所以因為你剛有講到說跨國勞動力事務中心他的工作也是審核文件所以你們之後是怎麼樣跟跨國勞動力事務中心來做對接跟委員報告原則上跨國勞動力事務中心是目前所有外籍人士的審案中心所以他從這個移工技術人力以及白領全部都是由他來做審核那演覽中心呢主要是針對技術人力的部分 |
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所以有關前面的這個必須但技術人力比較特別是它不是全面開放它是必須跟目的事業主管機關討論過如果有確實有缺工我們才能開放所以目前只有兩個職類一個是旅宿一個是上崗碼頭那這兩個職類的相關的開放與否必須要有做政策決定所以延展中心的角色比較像是在做第三類這個 |
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技術人力的政策把關因為目前我們也成立了一部專屬的法規就是外籍辦法那這是由這個中心來主責那至於這個屬本部的管理事務中心他是統籌所有的外國人的政策所以他們三個單位的角色是有區隔的好那我們就降到300萬好了東捷300萬我覺得現在 |
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是184184加188併案對 併案可是科目不一樣兩邊科目不一樣是不是可以建議委員同意我們用同意用跨國勞動力延展中心業務就不要再往下好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝 |
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課目調整至跨國勞動力延攬中心業務184與188統一併案凍結300萬元 |
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那184跟188我們就一起處理就是同意科目調整為跨國勞動力延攬中心然後凍結300萬元同意併案那接下來續審185案185案同意併案凍結300萬元科目調整為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務 |
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185案改凍結300萬 科目調整為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務可併案接下來續審186案186案同意改科目為01延攬中心業務同意併案凍結100萬元 委員已簽署186案改凍結100萬 科目調整為延攬中心業務可併案 |
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接下來續審187案187案同意改為主決議文字修正為勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告187案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審189案189案同意改科目為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務 |
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可併案 動結300萬元 對不起 文字可併案嗎 文字改為書面報告可併案嗎有 可併案可併案 併案動結300萬元 改為書面報告189案改動結300萬 科目調整為跨國勞動力延展中心業務可併案 併案到行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審193案 |
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一百九十案科目調整至跨國勞動力延攬中心業務同意併案凍結四百萬元但委員還沒簽好 陳金威委 |
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這個我是希望可以動在違辦費因為190比較特別是你們對外招標不要上到跨國勞動力延攬中心這是新的大標案這案是涉及蠻高的違辦費大概3750萬的違辦費所以我為什麼剛才一直想問你要延攬的這14位16位他是什麼條件 |
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他是什么条件因为你说对于当国很了解可是你现在还是有很多部分你需要做委外那这些东西委办的对象是谁那减核的标准是谁定培训内容是谁设计那收费的方式通过标准后续媒合来台的程序是什么这笔钱就是很大 |
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但你的预算书说明是很简略你只有写到办理技能减和级培训这样子我们很难判断很难判断你原本要延揽的十四十六人跟你现在又要在委外的人力到底是差别在哪里哪些到底是委外哪些为什么要委外那这样可不可以稍微说明一下 |
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委員有關委外人力的部分主要是因為我們海外派駐人民只有兩名那他其實很多的工作可能沒有辦法就只靠那兩個人因為他們很多包括海外職能的檢測還有華語文的檢定還有一些相關的溝通事項所以可能背後需要有一個團隊那那個團隊可能我們是擺在研覽中心裡面 |
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那燕南中心目前只有14個職員所以也還在陸續補齊當中目前只有7個所以我們可能用這個委外人力的部分是希望快速的針對海外所需要的資料要有一個後面的一個行政團隊去sponsor他所以委外人力可能對我們是必要的那如果委員需要凍結的話是不是可以同意並前面的案並動 |
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這個這個我們就不併案了你看你要不要動500或者是你就簡列一點點因為他是一個很新的案子所以我們本來就需要持續的去追蹤他那如果你們真的做得很好我們下個會期就可以解凍那好那我們就直接簡列400委員這裡是400好簡列400他講 |
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你們要減列400嗎?可以那192改減列400元400萬元請問科目是自行調整嗎?科目可不可以自行調整?科目可以自行調整那192改減列400萬元科目可自行調整接下來續審191 |
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191案同意改為主決議文字修正為原詞請勞動部勞動力發展署三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好 王振旭委員好 謝謝主席目前全台失聯一共的問題還是非常的嚴峻到2026年的4月底還是有9萬多名的 |
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移工是失联的占全台90万名移工失联率有到达11%除了这些大量的移工失联以后衍生治安劳动市场秩序跟地下经济的风险跟问题以外其实也非常不利于 |
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引進新的移工所以這個問題真的需要好好的來做管理跟強化所以同意改成組決議不過真的很期待勞動部這邊能夠具體的來提出好的方案來解決這個事情 |
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謝謝委員的追尋確實失戀移工這幾年從疫情之間大概衝到最高點所以111年當年度的失戀人數來到4萬1那112年也有3萬1但這兩年113、114已經降到2萬5左右 |
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那我想我們還會持續的跟來源跟相關部會持續合作我們在上個月4月27號我們已經召開了一個跨部會的聯繫會議我們邀集了這些開放乙工的這些目的事業主管機關共同聯手我們希望能一起協作從源頭去改善失聯的問題所以我們找了經濟部會部交通部等各部會希望他們從目的事業主管機關的角度出發 |
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針對他們手上有的資源跟一些網絡能夠協助這些業者怎麼在第一線強化他們跟移工之間的管理效能那這個部分我們希望能夠有一個定期的合作所以這個聯繫會議呢將來預計是每三個月會召開一次我們希望能夠逐漸看到成效以上跟委員說明 |
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我想講一個大家都沒有談到的但是這個或許是要跨部會去處理的失聯的或者是現在的移工都有的問題就是他們現在都會有駕照 |
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有駕照可以開車但是他們在造勢以後發生意外以後事實上他們大概大部分都沒有賠償能力的這個沒有賠償能力對台灣的受害者就是可能車禍的受害者意外這當然沒有人想故意其實他們就真的是 |
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很冤枉那在這種狀況裡面呢其實失聯的開車的還更多那我們是就是沒有失聯的合法的跟失聯的非法的有駕照的跟沒有駕照的通通在台灣只要一照是大概賠償能力都幾乎沒有啦 |
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那有什麼樣的機制其實可以讓萬一我們不能夠不讓人家開車也不能夠剝奪人家有駕照的權利可是那要在什麼樣的狀況裡面可以讓被撞的被撞死的被撞重傷的人其實是可以得到保障的這個是不是應該要跨部會的去想一下 |
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來行政計畫的確這個也是產業過去也會把微型電動二輪車然後購買很多然後讓移工使用當然那個不要求駕照可是他還是一個交通工具可能對他人會有產生傷害尤其是移工對臺灣的 |
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交通規則根本很多時候是不是這麼了解的因為文字能力還有對於我們臺灣的整個的交通習慣上他要去應對風險上他也沒有辦法 |
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怎麼樣能掌握那可是現在就現存的狀況那蘇芬委員提的我也補充一下就是說現在還不只是說雇主買給那個移工去開去企不是喔現在不要忘了在農業生產上很那個報導者也報導很多啊就是說移工自己就當當司機 冒頭啦冒頭應該叫怎麼講 |
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公投然後他去招聘可能是失聯的然後在鄉下因為大家現在大家知道缺工嘛農業缺工嘛合法非法都在一起嘛然後大家睜一隻眼閉一隻眼嘛自從疫情以後事實上這個國家已經沒有再取締失聯的看到也睜一隻眼閉一隻眼啦執法人員 |
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因為給他抓光光的話台灣人沒有飯吃沒有菜吃了啦然後大便雞的在做老頭就是那個小包頭那個叫小包商那個叫什麼 |
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反正他去雇工那雇工的狀況變成這個失聯移工可能就是一個雇主了他自己是雇主那他要去載一大堆這個合法的非法的這個移工來上工所以他們現在不是你想像了騎那個二輪的電動車不是 |
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他們真的不是我們能想像他們在鄉下地區就是開這個鄉行車的啦叫車的啦他就是要接移工上下班的啊那所以那個交通的風險是因為可能交通的風險就相對的高他如果看到警察他還會緊張因為他是失聯的然後又違規駕駛的又要罰很多錢的 |
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然後所以這個風險真的是相對高那也老實說也經常發生車禍然後被撞的人喔真的是黃秀芳委員在這裡講得衰被撞的人真的是老實說拿不到 |
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足夠於cover他的醫藥費或是他的損傷的那個足夠的賠償真的沒有這個我們真的是要請勞動部跟交通部我們保障他們有權利的時候那你要有足夠的配套是不是保險費用還是什麼的每一輛車子 |
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但是那鎖車子那又沒有鎖人我也不知道這應該要怎麼處理我不曉得講一下這大概是不是在這本題是不是我覺得行政機關應該講部長要不要回應一下畢竟移工還是您在管理的我們來跟教務討論一下好所以要麻煩因為這個問題真的如果他們開車的人對自己可能產生傷害最怕的是 |
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就像獨家傷害到其他的別人的家人那191案 王振旭委員191案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下續審192案 |
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192 同意併案同意併案凍結分署管理北基宜花金馬分署管理100萬元專案報告改為書面報告192案 |
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改凍結100萬殼並案那專案報告改書面報告接下來續審193案193案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告193案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審194案 |
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194案同意改為主決議請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於一個院內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告194案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過195案195案同意凍結分屬管理北基漁花金馬分屬管理45萬 |
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所以你們希望是多少?我可以接受你的建議我們建議可否凍結45萬元 |
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文字要調整嗎科目是對就是剛剛念的就是分數管理DASH北基移花金馬分數管理科目沒有調整科目沒有調整嗎就是在原來的科目科目還是維持嘛對不對就是往上調本來是到本來是業務費現在往上調到大一點的科目好那誒陳經理委員同意齁 |
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好 同意那195案改動結45萬是那科目變成是北基移花金馬分署管理是那接下來續審196案196案 |
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改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署北基宜花金馬分署配合宜蘭縣政府重新審議認定宜蘭縣圓山鄉粗坑斷地1285地號土地之特定目的事業用地範圍 |
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好 196案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審197案197案同意凍結分屬管理 逃逐苗分屬管理100萬元專案改書面報告197案改凍結100萬可併案科目可自行調整 |
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那專案報告改書面報告 接下來續審198案198案同意改為凍結100萬元專案報告改書面報告198案改凍結100萬專案報告改書面報告接下來續審199案 |
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199案同意改為主決議文字修正為請該分署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出辦公廳設及宿舍修繕之具體範疇必要性及預計達成之節能標章效益說明 |
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199案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審200案第200案同意凍結分署管理雲嘉南分署管理100萬元文字專案改為書面報告200案改凍結100萬 專案報告改書面報告 接下來續審201案 |
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201案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出改善台南西北地區之中高齡就業輔導及支持網絡建構書面報告201案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來據審202案 |
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202案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告202案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審203案 |
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203案同意改為主決議文字修正委請勞動力發展署高屏彭東分署提交正式書面報告就如何提升在地填補說明203案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審204案 |
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204案遵照辦理那提案的文字有一個物質就是請修正為760萬元那個萬金改為千字然後第二個是資安經費10萬元的萬字改為千204案按照蘇清泉委員提案但文字按照剛才行政機關宣讀通過接下來205案 |
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205案同意修正主決議文字修正為原此請勞動部勞動力發展署原鄉培力輔導主動協助原鄉 對不起加強原鄉培力輔導主動協助原鄉部落團體申請多元就業開發下面均相同205案這按照盧仙怡召委提案 |
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並按照剛才行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審206案206案遵照辦理206案照王振旭委員提案通過接下來續審207案207案遵照辦理207案照王振旭委員提案通過接下來續審208案208案遵照辦理208案按照 |
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劉建國委員提案通過 現在我們休息10分鐘那也麻煩行政機關剛剛盧昭偉已經到有些前面案子在保留的要不要先行溝通 以上謝謝 |
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對 就一樣 |
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現在繼續開會接下來續審209案行政機關沒了部長回來喔209案誰的 |
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209案委員同意改組決議文字修正為請勞動部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面檢討報告209案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審210案210案委員同意改動決職業安全衛生業務50萬可併案黃秀芳委員 |
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好那我講一下就是我們看到勞動部這邊有做一個統計就是在今年的這個第一劑營造業的這個死亡人數還是佔這個全產業的54%所以就變成說我們看到這個營造業的這個墜落可能是變成是一個植栽非常重要的一個 |
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這個原因所以我們希望就是說未來我們的這個職業安全衛生法現在這個修法之後那是不是也要再去研究透過這樣的一個修法那對於這個營造業這個職災發生職災的這個比例是不是會下降 |
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那甚至就是說我覺得宣傳也非常的重要就是說這個針對這些營造業的這個宣傳高空墜落的這樣的一個宣傳是不是他們有做就是有做到位職業安全就是說預防職災的這種防災的這個部分是不是有做到位所以我希望就是勞動部針對這個營造業的這個部分應該還要再加強 |
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是謝謝委員好那希望委員同意剛才的嘛好改動結五十萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務可併案兩百一十一案因為提案委員不在我們先行保留接下來續審兩百一十二案 |
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212案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務20萬元可併案那文字部分的修正在裡面有文字裡面有出現FAP的建議修正為PAS那在國字3的最後一段話刪除經本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會同意後 使得動之這文字刪除 |
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好這212案是我提案我還是要提醒就是現在職災勞工後續關懷跟追蹤資料收集資料在我看來是不足的而且職災認定的爭議跟行政程序時間跟服務資源配置都是有些問題還是要有待要去處理所以有像這樣的狀況都會影響勞工跟他的家庭的經濟安全跟權益保障所以 |
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基層也反映說關懷派案跟支持服務還是有改善的一個空間在所以希望勞動部職業安全衛生署就職災勞工的追蹤機制調查機制跟專業服務人力的配置跟派案的效率跟認定正義期間的一些支持措施應該要有一些具體的檢討要到時候你們要提出來好那212案改凍結20萬科目調整為職業安全衛生業務可併案 |
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接下來續審213案213案委員同意改凍結100萬可併案那作案報告改書面報告213案改凍結100萬可併案那文字案照行政機關宣讀通過接下來214案214案委員同意改凍結100萬可併案 |
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214案改凍結100萬可併案接下來續審215案215案委員同意改凍結100萬可併案216案改凍結100萬可併案接下來續審217案16接下來續審216216案委員同意改凍結100萬可併案216改凍結100萬可併案 |
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接下來續審217案217案委員同意改組決議文字修正在最後一段原請勞動部職業安全衛生署於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告217案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審218案 |
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218案委員同意改凍結70萬可併案文字修正倒數第三行原提案針對01分支健全職業安全衛生管理及制度凍結預算新台幣70萬元 |
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218案改凍結70萬可併案文字案照行政機關剛剛宣讀文字通過接下來219案219案委員同意改凍結200萬已經同意了嗎219案改凍結200萬那接下來續審220案 |
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220案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務100萬可併案期限改兩個月那200王玉明委員 |
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這一案其實蠻重要的 涉及到那個職業安全那其實我們看到原來在113年跟114年這個重大職災的死亡人數是從56人上升到63人墜落死亡增加得更快它是從15人上升到27人所以職災人數是不減反增那墜落死亡人數是陡升那在這樣一個情況底下 |
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原本我是提出要凍結百分之二十那現在經過溝通現在是改動一百萬但是我還是要提醒勞動部這個植栽造成的死亡那是一個家庭的破碎所以這個部分就是特別提出來要督促我們這個治安署這個是重中之重你們一定要把這個部分的整個安全的環境做好好不好好 謝謝委員 |
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好220案改凍結100萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務可併案 |
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並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來221案221案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬可併案那文字修正在國治山的部分後面是勞動部會商衛生福利部提出社會工作人員職業安全衛生制度精進報告以上 |
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221案是我提的因為社工長期在處理家暴跟耳哨保護跟精神疾病跟藥酒飲還有其他高風險的個案那職業過程當中當然會遇到一些遠暴力跟騷人身安全的風險那他的職業安全衛生保障有關他的服務人力的穩定度跟 |
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他的品質不過現行我覺得社工職業安全網制度還是以行政輔導跟法遵法事為主這之前也諮詢過了不要欠缺符合社工公使的特性的風險評估機制跟標準化安全之一我的確覺得不是勞動部的責任所以我在總諮詢的時候也有要求衛福部要提供這些相關一個 |
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社工的工作特性來提供給你們然後兩部會一定要合作去把這些定出來所以希望你們針對這一塊要多著力因為我覺得社工事實上扛起要去解決台灣的社會問題可是我覺得國家應該在做他最好的後盾否則他們在長期這樣的工作裡面 |
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本來就已經在高風險然後又沒有很強度的支持的話我們擔心這樣的專業工作最後離開對我們的社會問題 |
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可能沒辦法去做解決的話可能會加劇社會的紛擾所以就麻煩我們的勞動部要盡速因為我覺得總諮詢我也要求我們的衛福部也要來做配合那221案改凍結50萬科目調整為職業安全衛生業務科病案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審222案 |
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222案委員同意改組決議做部分的文字修正在國字3的部分修正為就第一行一直到後面的句號這個字是刪除的 |
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然後國治4的部分在第一行的後段請勞動部研議會同文化部建立影視產業專屬職安訓練制度及課程模組評估推動高風險拍攝場域進場安全管理機制以上 |
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另外22案也是我提到的因為我覺得前面剛剛講的是社工那還有一個行業就是我們的影視產業在拍攝的時候會涉及到一些比較特殊的像高空作業、器材吊刮、特效的一個執行或甚至要夜間拍攝 |
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及大型場域的調度這些高風險的工作情境希望我們勞動部還是要會同文化部來就我們的隱私產業的職業安全衛生的訓練制度跟拍攝場域安全管理機制否則的話有時候到現場就強迫一定要拍如果不拍的話今天可能這些 |
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隱私人員大概就拿不到工資或甚至以後就會被阻斷他的工作所以呢他就配合配合可是他風險度事實上高的我覺得勞動部可能要會同文化部來做這樣子的一個討論然後提出比較具體的改進方案否則這幾年是連續有發生我們的隱私人員因為拍攝的場景而發生傷害的事件那222案 |
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改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審223案223案委員同意改組決議做部分文字修正最後一段原要求勞動部職業安全衛生署以一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出外送平台查核及擴編專案勞檢人力規劃之方案書面報告以上223案 |
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改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審224案224案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務20萬元可併案專案報告改書面報告224案改凍結20萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務可併案 |
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那文字案照我們剛剛行政機關宣讀通過那接下來續審225萬225萬委員同意改組決議文字修正原要求勞動部職業安全維生署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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225案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審226案226案委員同意改組決議文字修正請勞動部職業安全衛生署於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告226案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審227案 |
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227案委員同意改組決議文字修正為請勞動部職業安全認證署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生文件委員提出書面報告227案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審228案228案委員同意改凍結50萬元可併案228案改凍結50萬可併案接下來續審229案 |
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229案委員同意改組決議專案報告改書面報告同意229案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審230案230案委員同意改組決議文字修正為原要求勞動部職業安全衛生署於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員提出書面報告 |
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230案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審231案231案委員同意改簡列職業安全衛生業務25萬元凍結50萬元提書面報告修正文字原提案建議刪減勞動部職業安全衛生署職業安全衛生業務25萬並凍結50萬 |
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231案改簡列25萬凍結50萬科目調整為職業安全衛生業務並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審232案232案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬元可併案楊耀委員 |
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資安署就是為了要改善作業環境的空氣品質其實也做了不少事情可是根據審計部的報告就是其實有關勞動檢查的結果事業單位違反相關規定的事情還是很多表示我們在於 |
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在督促事業單位加強改善治安跟工作環境的部分還是有待改善那我們希望可以更加強化高風險事業單位的監督跟輔導機制其實我們審查預算就是 |
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有的時候會陷於兩難就其實我們提的是是要簡略也要凍結不過呢好像因為做不好所以要簡略也 |
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也有一點怪可是照著你們的預算書來來照案通過又怕你們沒有去做好所以我們到最後就折衷的 |
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協調以後啦折衷就還是改為凍結而且凍結的數量還是金額還是減少很多那希望你們能夠就有關的部分可以趕快去提出進行的作為而且落實謝謝楊委員 |
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232案改凍結50萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務可併案接下來續審233案233案委員同意改組決議專案報告改一個月內提出疏避報告 |
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那盧縣議召委不好意思因為我還是看了一下立民的資料我覺得因為都沒有打標然後加上今年第一劑還是有17個人最後死亡有一個民主民主大部分都是從事此類工作所以我還是凍結200萬改凍結200萬那召委這邊確定 |
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那233案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來改動解好來那行政機關要不要因為剛剛本委員所簽署 |
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其實在最近我們配合治安法的修法以及我們的一個減災行動計畫其實對營造業這邊應該非常多的一些減災的一些措施準備要展開 |
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那從這幾年的發現我們的職災也持續在下降包括這個剛剛委員特別關心的這個原住民的重大職災他的數字也持續在下降是不是委員同意讓我們再持續來努力改組決議還是還是沒有 還是如果委員是不是並動好 謝謝那我們就並動職業安全衛生業務200萬好 那233案 |
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改冬節兩百萬可病案那接下來續審兩百三十四案兩百三十四案我先講一下這一個一樣是跟這個營造業的職業安全有關主要是我看到這一個營造業的那個死亡人數事實上在一百一十四年他的死亡人數佔總體只有百分之四十二 |
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但是在今年喔115年第一劑喔他的營造業死亡人數已經佔全產業的54%也就是說這個之前我諮詢的時候都有特別提醒喔就是說營造業他佔整體死亡的比例喔如果 |
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按照今年第一季來看的話它是不降反升已經過半了那所以因為它的那個高空作業它建築的關係它很多的確這個墜落的風險非常非常的高所以在這一部分的話我還是要督促我們勞動部在有關於這一個特別高風險的這個營造業裡面你們應該你們剛剛是說有一些有改善但是如果從數據來看的話 |
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它一樣是全產業裡面風險程度蠻高的一個職業別所以這個部分我希望就是還是要加強改善那在這個部分的話我提出來的本來是要動300萬 |
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現在改動100萬謝謝王委員的提醒第一個其實我們看到以今年第一季的數據來看的話相比去年同期的第一季全產業的重大值在死亡大概是減少了15%那如果我們來看這第二季的話我們看其實還是有機會全產業還是死亡還是可以下降 |
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那没有错其实有一个部分蛮大的下降是来自比方说制造业的部分的下降所以也是因为这样其实因为制造业下降以后变成营造业的死亡的比例看起来就在整体的母树里面就提高好但是确实现在最弱最弱的部分还是是一个最大的痛点然后所以我们至于像我们现在正在全力整备 |
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這個責任法上路以後那針對營造業尤其是墜落的部分其實要有更多的強化的作為因為的確過去有很多營造業他在他的工程設計的時候他並沒有把墜落等等相關的風險考慮進去的時候反而會讓作業者其實在這裡面是在一個很高的風險下面來工作這是我們為什麼覺得說應該要在前期的 |
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這個風險管理設計就要考慮進去的原因所以我們是希望謝謝委員的這個指教跟提醒那我們會在希望治安法開始上路以後當然還會有一段過渡期可是這段過渡期尤其是針對墜落部分這是我們重點中的重點這樣子 謝謝234案改凍結100萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務可避案 |
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並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審235萬235萬委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務100萬專案報告改書面報告好 謝謝這樣我也講一下因為剛剛很多委員都有提到這個部分那我是改凍結100萬但是我希望按由是一定要保留因為我們去看了一下這個數據比如說2024年營造墜落死亡83人 |
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其中71個人是沒有接受過職安衛生教育訓練所以剛也有聽到說署長有一在講這個職安法上路之後會有不同的改善方案那我知道部長也很重視這一塊有拍短音還有到市場去宣導不過我想知道的是署長可以回覆你們回顧之前的原因到底是查核密度還是說這個職安教育沒有落實到第一線所有人員都 |
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接收到還是說這個反覆發生的沒有更強的責任追究然後你們具體之後你覺得會改善針對哪幾項這個是我們才想要知道的謝謝 |
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好 跟委員報告大概會分三個點就是過去我們把這個安全的責任都追究到只有到營造廠而已就是大包那這次修法以後我們再往上追到發包單位就是業主單位他也要善盡防災責任 |
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那第二部分就是營造廠的部分中間這個階段他過去來講這個統合管理就承攬管理的人力在我們這邊是發現這個很大的一個漏洞所以這次治安法也特別去強化這個營造廠大包的一個對於整個工地的安全衛生管理責任那第三個部分就是剛剛委員關心的這個第一線勞工進到工地沒有接受訓練那這次治安法修法以後我們在的附屬法規最近已經快要發布了 |
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就是要求未來進到工地的人都要經過安全衛生教育訓練這個部分好 謝謝 就依照剛剛的結論好 動100萬235案改動解100萬科目調整實驗安全衛生業務並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審236案 |
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236案委員同意改組決議文字修正為原請勞動部職業安全衛生署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員提出書面報告236案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審237案237案委員同意改凍結50萬元237案改凍結50萬元接下來續審238案 |
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238案委員同意改組決議文字部分修正為請治安署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員提出書面報告238案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審239案239案委員同意改併動職業安全衛生業務50萬元 |
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239案改凍結50萬可病案科目可自行調整接下來續審240案240案委員同意改組決議文字修正為請於三個月內提出提升勞工健檢品質訪查機制輔導西級低級醫療機構改善成效以及完善勞工健康檢查資料庫數據之應用之書面報告 |
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241案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審241案241案委員同意改組決議修正文字原要求勞動部職業安全衛生署一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告人力規劃是書面報告241案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審242案 |
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242案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬元可併案專案報告改書面報告242案改凍結50萬科目調整為職業安全衛生業務可併案文字按照行政機關宣讀通過接下來續審243案 |
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243項委員還沒有簽署我們說明一下委員是關心說為什麼我們的業務費裡面有一個提升勞工身心健康監督檢查效應這個這個業務費為什麼會增加450萬那也跟委員報告這個因為配合我們治安法即將上路所以接下來有關於那個霸凌專章相關的宣導 |
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檢查輔導甚至補助中小企業的這些業務都需要一些用到業務費所以我們在這個項目下特別會增加400多萬元那是不是建議委員可以同意我們並動職業安全衛生業務100萬元 |
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這樣我稍微說一下因為剛剛勞動部有給我一些補充的資料當然我是肯定因為你們說要辦2000家的這個說明會然後還有場次以及這個圖卡懶人包線上教材這些都可以 |
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但是我這案的案由還是要保留原因是因為昨天質詢的時間不夠所以我沒有辦法追蹤到勞動部自己本身發生職場霸凌事後的檢討因為很多民眾也在抱怨說看到新聞連勞動部自己的職災預防跟重建中心都發生難以想像的這種霸凌事件也就是一位懷孕的女員工被長期的刁難指派超量的工作那經外部委員認定霸凌成立後 |
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外部委員反而被騷擾然後被告然後最後還敗訴這個是非常離譜的可是我們沒有具體的看到勞動部對於此事件有什麼事後的檢討因為這樣子的話誰還會願意擔任你們的外部委員呢所以我們是希望勞動部可以以身作則當然 |
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霸凌專案上路以後我們也會希望可以具體的追蹤實際的成效包括你們申訴案件的處理方式調查的人才外部人夠不夠還有勞動部相關的單位要怎麼落實所以凍結的金額我可以接受勞動部的建議凍一百萬然後我要請治安署提出書面報告還有專案說明那看我們下半年繼續追蹤霸凌防治新制的這個推動狀況謝謝洪部長 |
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好剛剛成員其實講到我們法人從中心裡面其實之前大家講這個案子第一個其實那個案子當有申訴發生以後我們基本上就是要求依法依規進行調查跟處置所以調查跟處置都做了那後來發生的事情是這個被 |
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調查成立的這當時的這個主管他後來做了提告的工作那其實我們其實也請從中心給予被告的不管是證人或者是相關的人他被告他其實他的法律資源都要由我們從中心來給予協助也就是說我們並沒有 |
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對於這樣子的訴訟行為不聞不問是我們認為這樣子的告是不我們認為是不應當的可是的確那個訴訟是每個人都有的權利所以我們無法阻止比方說這個被認定為霸凌成立的人他的提告無法阻止他可是我們能夠做的事情是至少被告的過去的證人跟相關的這個專家他被提告可是我們應該要給他一定的在這個訴訟 |
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過程裡面至少經濟上面或者是一些相關的知識這事情我們是有做的以上補充謝謝謝謝那我也想問一下部長經過這個事件你們之後會遭遇你們認為這個聘請外部委員會有困難嗎 |
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第一個還是要跟委員說基本上不一定說拚外部委員困難我們的邏輯很簡單就是如果有申訴案該怎麼做就怎麼做那該讓他變成是一個專業的調查專業的審查我們就讓他變成這是一定要做到的事情所以不是他困難不困難的問題這是只要有相關的案件我們就必須做到至少在程序上面的要求我們就必須做到這不是困難不困難的問題 |
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主席謝謝 那就維持凍100萬然後再等職安署提出書面報告或專案說明 謝謝主席243案改凍結100萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務接下來續審244案244案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬元可併案 |
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244案改凍結50萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務可併案接下來續審245案245案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬元專案報告改書面報告同意245案改凍結50萬科目調整職業安全衛生業務那書面報告專案報告改書面報告接下來續審246案 |
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246案委員同意改組決議文字修正原請勞動部職業安全衛生署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告246案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審247案247案委員同意改組決議修正文字 |
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請勞動部針對如何強化原住民勞工作業環境之職業災害預防與減災策略改善非典型勞動之就業媒合與缺工獎勵契合度落實其勞保及職災保險權益保障於三個月內向立法院及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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247案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審248案248案委員同意改凍結100萬元248案改凍結100萬元那接下來續審249案249案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬元專案報告改書面報告陳清惠委員有要特別說明 |
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這案我們本來是約定多少50萬可以同意 謝謝那249案改動結50案科目調整職業安全衛生業務接下來續審250案250案委員同意改組決議文字修正為請勞動部職業安全衛生署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環會提出書面報告 |
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250案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審251案250案委員同意改組決議文字修正為請勞動部職業安全衛生署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告250案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審252案250案委員同意改組決議文字修正為 |
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原請職業安全衛生署就如何有效保護職責死亡勞工眷屬之權益於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生委員會提出書面報告252案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審253案253案我要講一下先讓行政機關說明嗎 |
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不用說明所以我的提案呢我先講完那個這一案是關於那個勞檢員我的提案因為我們的勞檢員呢他其實這個業務量越來越繁重因為我們現在大家對於這個勞檢的需求越來越高 |
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那在這樣的情況底下甚至有的勞檢員出現加班時數破70小時或者是勞檢的場次他要出席的高達200場次這個都已經是一個非常高壓的工作環境所以難怪這個有一些地方的勞檢員他的缺額其實一直補不滿 |
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那我認為當大家對於這些職業環境安全越來越重視要求越來越高的同時這些勞檢員的壓力市場負荷也越來越重那我覺得勞動部作為中央主管機關你們則無旁貸應該去看到這樣的現象怎麼樣讓勞檢員他自己去勞檢結果自己壓力爆表這個實在是一個很不合理的常態 |
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那怎麼樣讓勞檢員願意長期來協助勞動部各地方政府來做這個勞動檢查的工作讓他們一方面讓他們久任一方面必須幫他們減壓那如果這個已經業務量過大我認為勞動部應該要有一個積極的改善方案你家人嘛家人才能那個減量嘛那不能說我們這個勞動安全 |
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就是嘗試越來越多要求越來越多但是勞檢員你給他的福利待遇各方面卻是沒有做一個好的改善所以我認為這件事情其實蠻關鍵的不要讓我們的勞檢員大家最後都是受不了壓力而離開這樣的一個環境這樣對我們的整體我們想要提高這個職業環境安全其實也是沒有辦法達到的所以我這一案呢我要求 |
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就是要凍結一百萬那但是要求勞動部你必須提一個全面性的你的改善方案到底是什麼一個月之內提出來好不好是謝謝委員我們會持續努力那這案子就建議改凍結職業安全衛生業務一百萬元可併案 |
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253案改凍結100萬 科目調整為職業安全衛生業務可併案接下來續審254案254案委員同意改組決議 文字修正委請勞動部職安署於一個月內向社會福利及社會環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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254案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審255案255案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬元可併案255案改凍結50萬科目調整為職業安全衛生業務接下來續審256案 |
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250萬委員關心是我們這個經費裡面有這個我們在勞動監督檢查部分其他的業務租金從114年的5萬塊增加到80萬 |
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那也跟委員報告因為這也是剛剛委員關心的勞動檢查員的一些他相關的一些配套因為我們的三中心檢查員他的檢查場地不是在固定的一個城市他是遍佈到全省所以他這個租金理論會如果說他公務車不夠的話就必須要用到租令租車去做勞檢甚至到偏向花蓮台東的話他到定點還要租車所以這個部分是考量到檢查員他出勤都是外勤所以我們 |
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相對的在這個租金會有所提升 沈經緯委我先講一下 因為我呼應剛剛完美委員的想法我們現在勞檢員有一個很大的人力缺口 但是他們高風險 高壓 高責任所以人力的流失非常嚴重 那為什麼會提出這個案由是由於 |
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我們的職業安全衛生署署長周子廉以前有表示他要爭取勞檢員的就任獎金還有久任獎金提升留任的意願雖然勞動部已經從113年4月1號發放每個月3000到5000不等但是周子廉也有在2025年2月19又再講一次說 |
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勞動部後續還要跟行政院爭取9任的獎金來提高留任的誘因 |
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但是距離他這個發言2月19到現在我們還沒有看到具體的進展那我們不可能靠這個風險工作費來留下他們我只怕這個留任的人越來越少然後造成留下來的人工作越來越重所以我 |
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在這邊是具體要求說我希望你們可以這個說明九院獎金的規劃進度然後預計實施的期程還有相關的配套措施然後全面檢討他們的薪資貸運跟流財機制跟其他外部這些可能會有挖角的這些機構來做比較穩定我們的勞動安全保障謝謝 |
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好 謝謝委員 謝謝關心這個部分我們其實在勞動部也非常關心檢察人開可以久任那我們還是分三個部分的說明在人力的部分我們配合治安法這次的上路不管是正式人力或是地方政府的需要的一些聘用人力我們現在都在跟行政院爭取中那應該最快我們也希望在7月1號之前就會有一些結果出來那另外在剛剛委員關心的這個待遇部分 |
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那剛剛113年我們爭取的風險工作費之外其實我們在補助地方的聘用檢查人部分我們也是有這個9任獎金的一個精神希望說你達到一個年數我們就那個新點就直接可以往上調那你要把你的年數下降到6年嗎因為你現在10年以上資歷的留任率只有4成 |
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因為這個跟委員報告這個部分我們會持續的努力但這個部分我們都是每個月跟檢察員這邊來做定期的匯報他們希望我們在哪一方面可以放寬讓他們可以久任的部分我們都會再努力那坦白講這個剛剛講聘用人員的部分到目前為止他們的滿意度是非常高的希望說達到這部分那另外那個久任獎金的部分我跟委員報告我們在這次的人力如果到位以後我們下一波還會再努力因為畢竟是公務預算的部分 |
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那另外第三個部分就是那個這個工作的支持的部分那其實剛剛我們提到這些採理費部長也支持我們連交通費都放寬可以讓他們領這個比較寬於現行的採理費的交通費那另外那個在技術面的話我們現在也配合系統的整個優化導入這個智慧化的勞檢系統所以我們希望是在各個面向來支持這個勞檢員可以久任以上謝謝委員支持好 |
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想跟村民說明第一個其實勞檢人的福利跟待遇我們非常重視其實我自己也為這事情其實也開了幾次會那一個部分是薪資一個部分是對他相關的工作支持所以比方說現在這筆業務費剛才其實蘇洋有講到其實勞檢人反應其實過去他們可能比方說他要到比較遠的地方他如果是要開公務車的話 |
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他可能还要把公共车开回到原本他开的地方这其实对他工作时间来说反而是拉长所以我们也因为这样所以开放他其实可以用租赁的方式他到那个地方来租赁他不用还要花很多时间去开工把公共车开回到他原本开的地方 |
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所以这是为什么在业务费里面其实这个是对他们工作支持非常重要的主席其实我比较在意的是他现在争取一年多了因为当初讲的是薪资还有9任奖金等等的那7月1号他希望我们希望可以看到他们具体的成果啦那我知道当时部长也有跟周子莲开记者会开一个记者会嘛然后他现在也是主密所以我们就改为科目可以调整然后冻结200万谢谢 |
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行政機關要不要委員是不是同意我們就改動職業安全服務生業務兩百萬那可併動我可以調整啦但是我就不併動了那金額要不要調整因為我們這個費用這個自檢察員在使用的費用不多是不是讓我們到職業安全服務生業務對檢察機構就三中第一線的檢察員 |
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他金額還是很高啊冰凍就是只有在那個科目下而已對因為這個科目很小然後這個科目都是檢察員在用的才90萬這個科目才90萬對那就100萬謝謝那就冰凍職業安全業務100萬謝謝256案改凍結100萬 |
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那科目為職業安全衛生業務可併案那接下來續審257案257案委員同意改組決議文字修正為請勞動部職業安全衛生署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告257案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審258案250案委員同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬元專案報告改書面報告可併案 |
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258案改凍結50萬 科目為職業安全衛生業務可併案接下來續審259案259案委員同意改凍結400萬元 |
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我有一個點要補充這個點就是說我們動的數目沒有就同意了但是我們是要等這個治安署再提出這個熱門有那個指引叫什麼名字他必須要一個那個安全指引那個檢查的指引訂出來以後然後像我們立法院提出書面報告後使得動之 |
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就是綁定那一個指引的訂定配合這次治安法修法是法規委員關心的指引是另外那個委員關心的是冷氣空調的指引 |
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不是喔 是熱煤油的鍋爐相關系統的指引喔高危險性化學品因實施風險評估並且採取那個防護措施你們要訂一個指引出來以後帶你們指引訂定出來然後送這個立法院以後就書面報告後使得動之加這個條件而已好文字你們要不要擬是你們擬一個文字可以調一個文字 我們調一點文字對 好 |
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不好意思主席剛剛我256有說沒有病案但是您在宣讀的時候說成有病案謝謝那我再重新宣告256案改動節100萬科目為職業安全衛生業務259案文字要不要 |
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那256案你們還在那個嗎那個256可不可以保留一下因為這個案子真的是都是檢察人在用的所以想說再跟委員討論一下好不好可不可以兩邊 |
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好那256就先保留因為為什麼因為的確那個只有900萬又說他們薪水很欠缺然後要動很多再跟委員溝通一下然後259沒有問題剛才就照淑芬委員講的259文字你不是要那我們先等你們文字寫完之後我們再來做確認再讓淑芬委員確認來我們先做200先處理262 |
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260案委員同意改組決議文字修正委請勞動部職業安全衛生署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告260案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審261案 |
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261案委員同意改組決議 文字修正為請職安署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告261案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審262案262案委員同意改凍結職業安全業務200萬 專案報告改書面報告 |
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262案改凍結200萬科目為職業安全衛生業務專案報告改書面報告接下來續審263案263案委員同意改組決議文字修正委請勞動部職業安全衛生署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告263案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審264案 |
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264案委員提案的部分要做一個說明就委員這邊關心是說我們現在在這個像蝦皮這些購物平台會發現很多這個機械設備沒有經過 |
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沒有經過我們這邊的一個登錄就是所謂的TS安全標示就在那邊販售那這個造成這個這個可能到這個使用者就是我們這個在使用端造成一些風險那跟委員報告這個部分我們在最近在這個整個跟速發部的這個 |
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我們的速發署跟這個輸入產業署還有我們平台這些大型的平台業者也召開多次會議那在目前我們在這個利用很多這個數位科技來做這個管制那在114年我們總共下架了35萬的一個產品 |
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那在115年到4月份我們也下架了40萬件的產品所以這個部分我們是在持續努力是不是委員這邊可以同意讓我們改併動職業安全衛生業務100萬 |
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我稍微说一下因为这个东西如果他没有人民不知道他需要有TS的安全标识然后卖家也不知道平台也不知道所以我们到网路上查昨天我还发现说很多销售平台有在卖这样子的东西但劳动部有个地方需要改善的是说 |
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你們有一個列管機械設備器品產品認證的諮詢系統但你們可以實際上去操作看看因為呢他的查詢門檻蠻高的他要提供公司統編產品照片證明文件等等你有時候在 |
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這個網路平台你找你根本就找不到第一你不知道需要這個指標第二如果你真的想要去查這個認定諮詢系統的話你到你購買的平台你也沒有揭露這樣子的資訊所以我認為啦因為 |
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你如果是事後被動的查詢事後處理的話你也會很辛苦因為最後職業安全責任還是你們可是前端的風險控管你必須要跟多個部門一起去合作所以我是希望你們提出經濟方案就是比如說你剛有講到速發部可能還要跟經濟部還有電商平台電商平台你做了建立這個抽查的機制然後義務啊違規處理流程等等的 |
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是謝謝委員那這個部分我們未來會加強這個宣導剛剛委員特別提到那個我們的網站讓大家很清楚那另外部分我們會加強剛剛委員提到的這個跨部會這些怎麼聯繫去強化從源頭端來做管制那我們就動10%委員是不是就職業安全一定100萬是那100萬不併案可以嗎 |
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委員剛剛那一案一樣就會增加我們兩百萬這樣子就是沒有併案就會一直增加 對 |
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我只是在想說因為這個真的這個真的每一分錢其實都是用在這個業務上面跟的處理啦那能不能這部分真的是可以讓我們並安那我會我我可以請我們指安署特別剛才針對委員講到那個系統的這個可靜性那優化的部分我其實請指安署來跟委員辦公室這邊當然可以給我們多一點的建議那我們盡量來做優化 |
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可是还是希望是说因为这真的都是这些很专业执行上的业务的费用其实都是减灾的这个经费所以是希望能不能就100万可可以并动这样子好帮我们先保留等一下再慢慢讨论好了谢谢那264案保留接下来续审265案 |
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265萬委員同意修正部分文字之主決議的部分那在第二段的部分建請治安署加強事業單位裝設監視器之規範及應加強這個抽查更衣室休息室等高隱密空間之硬體設施並要求事業單位定期執行查核並留存紀錄被查此外 |
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亦需嚴格查核僱主是否具備完善的事件通報與處理流程確保意外發生時在後面文字沒有動那第三段的部分原要求勞動部職業安全衛生署於三個月內就職場防範監視器侵犯隱私之監禁作為提出具體書面報告 |
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265案照劉建國委員提案並依據港愛行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審266案266案遵照辦理266案照蘇清泉委員提案通過接下來續審267案267案文字修正於一個月內向衛環委員會提出規劃方案之書面報告 |
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267案照肅清權委員提案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審268案268案按照肅清權委員提案通過接下來續審269案269案按照肅清權委員提案通過接下來續審270案 |
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270案遵照辦理270案按照如現已召委提案通過接下來續審271案271案遵照辦理271案按照如現已召委提案通過接下來續審272案272案專案報告改書面報告 |
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272 按照署勤前委員提案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審273案 |
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273案委員已簽署同意改為主決議然後文字修正的部分從第三段第三行後段勞動基金運用局允移一直到第五行凍結該項預算一千萬元這些文字刪除然後以下修正為請勞動部勞動基金運用局 |
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於三個月內六個月改成三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告據點以下刪除秀芳委員OK那273案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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接下來去審274案274案委員已簽署委員同意改為主決議文字修正為刪除最後一段第一句原凍結該項預算100萬元然後以下的文字改為請勞動部勞動基金運用局於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告據點以下刪除 |
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274案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審275案275案委員已簽署委員同意改為組決議文字修正為刪除第二段第五行並揭露勞動基金整體預計收入以下一直到第六行 |
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預算一千萬元刪除然後第六行以下請勞動部勞動基金運用局於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告據點以下刪除275案 |
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改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審276案276案委員已簽署委員同意改為組決議文字修正在第六行的後段到第七行原提案凍結這兩行文字修正為勞動基金運用局 |
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業務費這些刪除然後於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告刪除評估以下刪除提交書面報告據點 |
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276案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審277案277案委員已簽署委員同意改為組決議文字在最後一段的部分刪除原凍結該項預算10%以下改為請勞動基金運用局於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告據點以下刪除 |
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277案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過剛259案要跟林淑芬委員溝通文字請競訴給淑芬委員 |
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好接下來序審278案278案委員已簽署委員同意改凍結五萬元文字修正為就是100萬改為五萬元然後一個月改為三個月278案改凍結五萬元 |
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文字按照行政機關宣讀通過接下來續審279案279案委員已簽署委員同意改為主決議文字修正第二段跟第四段的114年改為115年然後 |
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最後一段第一句刪除以下修正為請勞動部勞動基金運用局於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告據點並經同意以下的刪除279案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過剛剛也在提醒259案到現在沒辦法有文字給林淑芬委員嗎 |
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請競訴港安妮出來給我們的林淑溫委員確認指案署到前面來處理好不好 |
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接下來續審280案280案委員已簽署委員同意改為主決議文字修正在最後一段原動節文字刪除然後接著請勞動部勞動基金運用局於三個月內向立法院社會福利及環境衛生委員提出書面報告據點以下刪除 |
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二百八十案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審二百八十一案二百八十一案委員已簽署委員同意改為組決議文字修正是在最後一段原凍結該項預算百分之十文字刪除以下改為請勞動基金用局於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告據點以下刪除 |
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281案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審282案282案委員已簽署委員同意改為組決議文字修正是刪除最後一段原凍結該項預算50%的文字然後以下是改為請勞動基金用局於三個月內 |
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向立法院社會福利及衛生委員會提出書面報告據點以下刪除282案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審283案283案遵照辦理283案照劉建國委員提案通過接下來續審284案 |
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284案委員已簽署同意改為主決議文字修正第三段的第二行的中間勞動兩個字修正為職安全衛生然後另外就是第四行從據點之後修正為請勞動部勞動及職安全衛生研究所於六個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告黃秀芳委員OK喔284案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審285案 |
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285案委員簽署同意改為主決議最後一行的文字修正為原請勞動及職安全衛生研究所研議規劃遵截預算方案並於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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285案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審286案286案我願意簽署同意改為組決議這一樣是在最後一段的文字必須之後改成逗號及擴大照顧屏東台東花蓮及離島等偏鄉勞工與原住民勞工之工作安全衛生以提升其 |
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等生命安全及身體健康與就業穩定性原請勞動及職業安全衛生研究所將三案議題納入未來研究規劃 |
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286案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審287287案為以同意簽署改為組決議在倒數第二行的部分倒數第三行部分修正為聚焦之後修正為原請勞動及職安全衛生研究所於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交正式書面報告 |
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287案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審288案 |
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288案為以簽署同意改為主決議然後在第二段部分在第五行的文字後段修正為原請勞動及職安全衛生研究所於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出如何具體提升研究成果之應用增加專利與技術移轉效益建立有效之研究計畫績效管考機制書面報告 |
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288案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審289案 |
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289案委員簽署同意改組決議在最後一段地方修正為原請勞動部勞動及職員安全衛生研究所於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告289案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審290案 |
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290案委員簽署同意改為主決議在最後一段修正為原請勞動部勞動及職安全衛生研究所於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出水電節能書面報告290案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審291案 |
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兩百九十一案為以簽署同意改組決議作為一段修正為原請勞動部勞動及職安全衛生研究所於兩月內提出書面報告兩百九十一案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過念一下兩百五十九案的剛剛只剩文字念一下不是 兩百五十九案 |
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259案委員同意做部分文字修正勞動部職業安全衛生署向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出高風險工廠熱煤油及化學設備管線檢查指引之書面報告後 指責動辭 |
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那259案改凍結400萬並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來我們續審勞工保險局的作業基金來 第一案那個公務預算不是全部花在第二輪的全部基金完嗎 |
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昨天就有宣告啦不是公務預算可以整個審完再審基金嗎 |
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本來歷年來公務預算跟基金它就是分開審查本來就是這樣公務預算跟基金是獨立分開審查的基金是基金 公務預算是公務預算可是我們昨天就已經有宣告這樣子走了因為你這樣子很亂欸應該公務預算第二輪就整個把它結束掉啦這樣不好嗎你這樣就是一趴一趴分開很清楚啊 |
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對我們等一下還要有時間去處理平安的所以我不知道因為我們反正昨天宣告就是要這樣走啊昨天也沒人那個我們我們尊重委員會的的審案方式說審案順序我們尊重但是那因為過去是因為公務員算在1月就會審完過去的過月因為我昨天我就已經有宣告了那我們接下來續審那個 |
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保險局的作業基金第一案請行政部門第一案委員已簽署委員同意改凍結三十萬文字修正在第三段第一行凍結刪除然後刪除第三段第二行倒數第五個字到第三行第一個字與測知時程表等文字然後刪除第三段第四行碳排放量 |
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之後的括號量化氣候情境分析等文字一直到第三段的倒數第二行量化且對其國家文字然後最後一段凍結三百萬改為凍結三十萬都號後加勢勞動部於三個月內向本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後始得動之 |
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好 這一案是我提案的那還是要提醒也就是那個綠色金融事實上是我國近年12項的關鍵戰略的之一勞動基金規模龐大因為之前我們也開過記者會針對我們台灣我們自己政府的四大基金都應該去考慮那勞動基金是其中一個應該來積極管理的那個氣候風險還引導資金投入近年轉型的產業也落實國家2050年的那個近年 |
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排放的目標所以勞動部的勞動基金運用局雖然簽署禁止治理的守則但迄今未提出與2050的淨零目標一致的具體的投資轉型路徑也沒有完整去揭露高蛋白產業的投資 |
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部分還有一個我們的財務的碳排放量還有氣候風險的情境分析及測資的規劃那資訊透明度明顯實際上是不足的所以希望我們的勞動基金的運用局提出我們的高碳排產業的投資意和跟我們的測資時程及財務碳排放的管理的具體改善做法因為這我們不只開過記者會也曾經開過協調會我們就勞動部要去做 |
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第二段的最後一行文字修正為原請勞動部勞工保險局盡盡保費收取與欠費清理作業以利勞保基金財務健全第三段文字刪除以上 |
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第二案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下續審第三案第三案委員同意改組決議文字修正委請勞動部於一個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第三案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下續審第四案第四案委員保留對簡列一百萬要不然就是保留送協商 |
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好 第四案保留 接下來續審第五案第五案委員同意改組決議修正文字請勞動部於三個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第五案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審第六案 |
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第六案委員同意改凍結五百萬元第六案改凍結五百萬元接下來續審第七案第七案委員同意改組決議文字修正委原請勞動部於三個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委會提出書面報告 |
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第七案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第八案第八案同意改為簡列一千萬元委員已簽署第八案改簡列一千萬元接下來續審第九案 |
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第九案同意改為增列十萬元委員已簽署文字修正為原建議增列數十萬並要求勞動部應專案清查近三年收容費長期電款轉銷呆帳數頓點原因頓點處置結果以下相同 |
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第九案改增列十萬並按照行政機關剛宣讀文字通過接下來續審第十案第十案同意改為就業安定基金分基金媒體政策及業務宣導費並按刪減一百萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署 |
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第10案改簡列100萬元科目可調整可編案科目為就業安定基金服務費用媒體政策及業務宣導費接下來續審第11案 |
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第十一案委員關切有關本部救安基金有七千多萬元經監察院指出相關的使用不當關聯性不高那有關本案請 |
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有關本案主要是說明因為這個沒宣費目前本部在規劃上主要是針對失業者的青年執訓還有我們的庇護工廠以及身心障礙者的職務再設計中高齡二度就業婦女原住民等各項就業服務的宣導 |
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那在外國人的部分呢我們的一站是1955還有我們最近新推出的公平招募等相關新的措施以及最近部裡面新送的這個外送原專法相關平台的相關的資料以及有關勞資爭議鼓勵他們可以來使用勞工法服等等的相關的重大的資訊我們希望都要透過這支沒宣費加以宣導那有跟這個部分希望委員可以支持改為修正為主決議 |
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好 我這邊再說明一下因為我們之所以會減掉1.25兆左右的金額呢其實最主要就是事情的來龍去...1.25億 1.25億 抱歉 1.25億 |
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就是勞動部五年以來就是濫用救安基金七千兩百二十四萬那當然我們耳熟能詳就是舉辦音樂會讓勞動部長前部長許銘春高歌那砸下千萬拍攝宣傳影片敲簽活動那還有三節禮品不當的支出那其實這跟就業安地基金支出的用途其實關聯性是不高的 |
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那再來就是在二零二五年三月三十一號勞動部長洪森漢其實也承諾說在二零二六年的公務預算編列上會來歸店但是這樣的一個做法其實也是我們覺得有康納所有人知凱有全民買單那實際上我們去檢視勞動部的預算書實際上也一毛未編那不僅讓人家懷疑是沒有編列還是沒有清楚編列 |
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所以我們對於這種違法濫用就業基金的情勢我們沒有辦法忍耐每一分錢都應該追討回來那不應該用全民的錢幫民進黨的違法高官買單所以我們基本上這個案件我們的立場是保留受協商以上說明謝謝 |
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好那我知道邱委員跟民眾黨很關心這個案子第一個我想這個案子我先做幾個說明其實在去年大家在討論就安定基金的使用的問題上面其實我們如果我跟我們報告我們其實已經在編列上面在115年也就是今年的其實是相比於去年減少了720萬 |
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7000将近7000多万就是相比去年去年的这个救护基金的维权费是1亿9000万今年是1亿2000万其实已经减少了7007000多万 |
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那我们其实我其实就是要求同仁要更精实的编列好避免这个被说腐烂的状况第二个其实去年的时候大家也说有些相关的编列不应该用救安基金要用公务预算所以我也我们也去争取能够让部分的没宣费就回到公务预算里面接受检验而不是编在专业这部分我们也做了好 |
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这两件事都做第三个是对纠缠基因的使用我们其实也提出三个面向六个策略的方式来去做相关制度面的精进这部分也已经进行了甚至现在包括内控外基其实也都进行中那包括扩大这个这个资讯的公开揭露的部分强化我们管理会的管理的量能跟机制部分也全部都在做 |
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那只是想要表达的是说在这一个救援基金的使用上面他真的每天都是很多是让很多相对比较弱势的劳工去了解他可以有的权利包括刚讲说身障的劳工包括 |
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失业的劳工甚至二度就业的妇女中高龄等等等其实都是让他们了解他们的可能可以有劳动的福利或权利相关的这个资源的协助到底在什么地方刚才其实刚才今天大家讲到的很多的对象都是这一个这一笔没宣费希望能够去触及到让他了解他的权利的对象 |
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那现在以全部减劣的方式真的会让我们这些业务都很难进行甚至大家刚刚也讲到很多的执行率的问题如果我们没有资源能够让这些劳工了解他们有的权利的话那 |
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相对应的这个执行率都是很难真的做出比较好的要求的那第二个针对刚刚委员讲的状况我还是要强调因为确实委员讲审计部的那个报告里面是讲到7000多万的部分可是的确审计部的报告其实是修正简略 |
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其实是修正检调那至于是不是能够追回或者是如何追究的问题我们我其实已经不管是在对媒体或对外也是讲掉其实我们会跟着包括司法检调相关的侦办该追究就追究 |
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可是的确如果没有一个相关的法人的依据的话我其实是不太可能我们想怎么追我自己想或者是老公不想怎么追回就能怎么追回的不是这样无法这样来进行这个事情所以我是想请委员 |
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来考虑说因为这一笔的这个专案基金的煤轩的费用对我们来说在整个最安定的业务包括训练的业务包括劳动市场业务来说其实是至关重要我们是真的是希望能考虑不要用这个全数简列的方式能不能够有其他的这个监督的做法不然他真的可能会让我们 |
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几乎200多亿因为整个救安基金一年的支出是200多亿我们有业务费可是如果劳工都不知道的话其实真的是很难做到政策目标的设定这部分真的是希望求人可以来考虑我们知道我们在去年大家关注的这个案子里面我们是能做的我们尽量都做了只要能做到的我们都愿意来尝试去做可是我不能逾越法规 |
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好理解那我們也說明一下當然洪部長剛這邊有做一個就是未來努力方向的詳盡說明是對就是現在的努力希望未來能夠看見成效你的什麼三個面向六個策略然後一些項目都是用公務預算來編列而非 |
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用這些就業基金來濫用進了編列我們有看到但是最主要其實就是說因為真的許民村部長這些我們要怎麼講荒腔走板的行為其實真的是在我人民的心中留下一個非常負面的形象那其實也反映出說政府部門在這些費用的花費上其實是非常的沒有節制非常的離譜 |
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那因為我們也印象深刻我們的民眾黨立委之前有質詢過您嘛那其實對於要將這些費用追討回來其實衛福部的態度應該也是表示支持的那當然法律有法律的規定那也許勞動部這邊有力有未逮的地方但是起碼要讓我們看到您對於追這一筆費用 |
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做出了什麼努力然後遇到什麼瓶頸我覺得這至少應該跟民眾黨溝通甚至是說來跟全國國民來做溝通那您剛也口頭講了您對於政策方面做的努力那我想這個案件我們先保留送協商那也許等您把你的努力不只是口頭給我們一些書面的資料讓我們有進一步的資料可以再做一些審慎的評估不知道這樣可以嗎 |
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我覺得這邊我還是表達一下意見因為我覺得今天提的很多案子都跟宣導有關係如果沒有沒宣費我們又期待像我們剛剛前面也提了中高齡不管是青年這些就業要讓他們知道甚至政府的一些要讓他們知道結果我們的勞工不知道的話怎麼可以去應對政府政策就傳達不出去我覺得真的要慎重思考 |
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而不是整個就全數的去檢列那就表示那都不要去做 沒宣嗎不要讓我們勞工知道嗎那我認為這應該要慎重啦來那個勞動部 |
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我是相同的提案那因為的確過去就安寧基金這邊這個整個沒宣費用腐爛的使用這個造成全國矚目了那大家認為在這一塊其實應該是要強力的監督那即使剛剛部長提到說已經自行減劣了這個7000萬但是你要看一下你們的總數額高達1.2億 |
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我知道但是就你现在的金额你可以跟其他部会比较你的总媒宣费用1.2亿还是是很高我必须坦白讲还是很高光是未还委员会我们就看劳动部、卫福部跟环境部你们这一笔钱还是非常高额的预算所以其实社会有期待在立法院是要高强力的监督特别在这一笔预算里面 |
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所以這邊的話這個我自己提出來的我當然不是全數檢列但是我檢列的金額是2500萬就是因為我認為你們編列這筆預算還是太高大家應該是要尊潔使用而且宣導當然可以宣導但是如何精準的宣導而不是一年負一年 |
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就是都要花同樣的錢但是沒有去檢討那個整個宣導的成效到底是有沒有用的加上現在AI的運用非常的發達事實上每一個人要求助也不見得需要你過去的這種舊的宣導模式大家只要上網問AI他自動幫你搜尋資料你勞動部任何的政策你需要讓民眾知道的 |
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其實那個可進性都已經是很高了所以這一塊呢這個我個人的主張也是要高強度的宣導然後所以這次勞動部包括在前面的這個公務預算裡面只要是跟 |
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沒宣費有關的就是我的提案第6案29案211案還有包括現在的之前的勞保基金還有現在的就業安寧基金我都是要主張 |
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送協商因為這個要一併的這個事實上各黨團還會有意見大家就整體的來看那如果部長這邊你覺得你哪邊改善的很好你哪邊精簡了還有各業務單位你們提出來的這些所有的媒宣因為每一筆大家都會非常仔細的來審核你如果是按照過去亂編的那很不好意思在黨團協商的時候還是照樣會被刊 |
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所以我這邊的提案包括翁曉琳委員她的第一案就是然後我自己的第六案、二十九案、二一一案還有剛剛講的這個勞動這個剛剛那一案是什麼第四案勞保局租業基金也是沒懸廢還有第十三案就業安定基金 |
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就是就是請列入紀錄就一併保留送協商這幾案好那紅部長不過我認為今天大家我覺得真的立法院要高度的監督偶像無庸置疑可是如果全數都檢列到人家完全都不要做的話那我覺得也是一個很大的疑慮是說今天有很多要選導的反而一點錢都沒有辦法去做來紅部長 |
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第一个当然我们尊重委员的权利刚才王委员或者是邱委员说要送协商可是我还是要说其实我就实际的数字拿出来救安基金的没宣费的编列我们相比于去年少了7000多万总体即便是加上公务预算 |
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加工预算我们整个部的这个没权费用相比于去年也是减少了将近6000万那我们都尽力的用金石的编列来处理这事情可是我也要提醒其实各位对我们很多业务上面的精进其实是有期待的也包括我们有很多新的政策包括我们新的治安法外送专法甚至是接下来就像是我们刚才这些 |
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友善职场的法制化的这些工作其实这些工作为什么我们的确会这个需要特别需要美学分因为有1000万的劳工这1000万的劳工里面有一些他有比较好的科技的能力使用能力可是你不要忘了其实在我们尤其是我们救安基金的编列里面 |
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有很多他的对象都是相对比较弱势的劳工中高龄的劳工身上的劳工二度救援妇女的劳工他在使用科技的能力上面不一定都跟年轻的世代这样的相近所以我们其实也要兼顾到这些不同身份的劳工他们在使用 |
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各种工具上面的差异所以这是为什么我们的煤轩的费用是要有一定的维持的原因当然我刚才说委员刚才说要保要保保留然后送协商这部分我们也是只能尊重可是还是要强调说我们并在这个煤轩的费用上并没有烂编其实我们做了很大的改善从过去的使用包括机制面包括编列的数额 |
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甚至是委員剛剛講到的幾個當初可能有爭議的問題我們都做了非常深切的檢討我們並不是沒有作為的我還是要在這邊說明 謝謝那第十一案就先行保留十二案因為蘇委員不在也先行保留那十三案剛剛王玉敏委員也是要先行保留嗎 |
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好那13案先行保留來接下來續審第14案第14案委員已經簽署改檢列30萬文字修正為在最後一段改成原提案刪減本項預算30萬元句號後面文字刪除那第14案改檢列30萬那接下來續審第15案第15案同意改為刪減100萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署 |
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那第十五案改檢三一百萬科目可調整可併案接下來續審第十六案第十六案同意改為促進國民就業計畫構置固定資產無形資產非理財目的之長期投資及營舍與設施工程支出代許構置無形資產併案刪減兩百萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署 |
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改三減兩百萬元科目為促進國民就業計畫構建固定資產無形資產非理財木地之長期投資及營設與建以設施工程支出構置無形資產可併案那接下來續審第十七案第十七案同意改為減列一百萬元同意併案處理科目自行調整委員已簽署 |
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第十七案改簡列一百萬元科目可調整可併案接下來續審第十八案第十八案改為主決議文字修正委請勞動部就出席APEC人力資源工作小組HRDWG相關會議於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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第18案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過19、20因為蘇親權委員在現場我們就保留那我們早上先省到這邊我們先休息半個小時讓大家用餐 謝謝 |
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行政機關說明 |
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二十一案第二十一案同意改為主決議委員以簽署文字修正為原請勞動部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出各地方補助明細行政資訊支出頓點國際化業務內容頓點基金用途事法性頓點與公務預算區隔及一邊檢討之書面報告二十一案改主決議 |
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並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審二十二案二十二案同意改為主決議 文字修正為請勞動部於三個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第二十二案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過二十三案保留接下來續審二十四案二十四案委員有關心 |
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強化勞動力發展創新效能特別是裡面有關創客基地的服務經過檢討之後業務有一些減併那覺得有一些有待檢討之處 |
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以及多元就業開發方案有抽查的個案那以下說明針對創客基地的部分基本上本署經過這個半年來跟相關機關以及地方政府溝通我們認為創客基地裡面有一些成效不佳的我們已經進行了轉型分別接軌到職業訓練就業服務以及創業輔導 |
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那至於桃分署的創客基地因為已經有具有商轉的成效所以我們就維持現況所以整個功能做了一個修正那至於多元賠利開發方案裡面有一個個案疑似是這個填報有誤的部分是因為這個雙方對於油資的認定 |
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可能標準不一致那有關這個部分我們已經跟申請機關做過說明那原則上其實他們申請的金額還短於我們所核定的標準所以並沒有議領的情況以上補充說明 |
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第二十四案改檢列一千萬科目為強化勞動力發展創新效能計畫那可併案接下來二十四案我補充說明一下那個這一案那個被檢列金額比較高這個也請部長注意就是說 |
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這個就業安定基金你這個促進國民就業計畫向下的這個多元就業與創業補助創新發展數位學習業務然後你下面其中有一個強化勞動力發展創新效能計畫你這個就是說彼此之間業務重疊重複編列我覺得以前是不是就安基金太好用了所以呢大家在編相關計畫的時候 |
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這個我真的覺得這個本來我是要檢列五千萬的我真的覺得這個部分這個有點誇已經到有點誇張的程度了這一部分我要特別提醒部長你要好好去督導這個有出現這樣的情況其實是很不應該的部長 |
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好那个其实我有请番鼠针对我们有一些业务因为过去常是这样子就是因为可能会有一些外在情势的变化或要求常常就会多一支计划 |
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那我其實現在有請法院署這邊針對這個狀況其實該做一些計劃的整併就應該來做整併那現在這些相關的整併目前也在進行中所以有些部分也許是婦女相關的部分那也許有些部分是青年相關的部分甚至有些部分是多元就業相關的部分其實陸陸續續法院署在做檢討跟把一些計劃的整併那我想未來尤其在 |
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今年年中或下半年大家就會看到一些計劃的整併那其實處理的就是他可能有點類似的狀況可是因為不同的時間點進來他就變多多一個計劃的狀況那我這邊我們會請署裡面特別注意這樣好這個部分你們整併然後就是怎麼個整併然後那個你們要出一份報告好不好這個除了簡列之外因為我覺得這個這個真的是 |
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我這是相對誇張的就是你們要把那個整併完之後然後你那個預算就是怎麼樣結合在一起然後要出一份完整的計劃好不好你多久可以完成好一個月內接下來25案保留接下來續審26案 |
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二十六案同意改為主決議文字修正為要求一一五年該計劃預算執行需於預算數內不得以超支並決算方式辦理第二十六案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審二十七案二十七案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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第二十七案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審二十八案二十八案委員同意改組決議文字修正為請勞動部職業安全衛生署於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提書面報告第二十八案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審二十九案 |
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二十九案同意改為併案凍結一百萬元委員已簽署文字修正為經同意使得動之二十九案改凍結一百萬可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第三十案三十案同意改為併案凍結一百萬元委員已簽署同意文字修正為經同意使得動之 |
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三十案改凍結一百萬可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下續審第三十一案第三十一案同意改為併案三減兩百萬元科目次型調整同意併案處理委員與簽署文字修正為並要求一一五年該計劃預算執行需於預算數內等文字末段刪除第三十一案改三減兩百萬科目可調整可併案 |
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續審第32案同意改為凍結促進國民就業計畫綜合規劃業務150萬元四勞動部於三個月內向立法院社會及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後,經同意時得動之 |
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第32案改動解150萬科目為促進國民就業計畫綜合業務綜合規劃業務可並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審33案33案通一改為主決議文字修正為原始提案 |
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勞動部勞動力發展署兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第三十三案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第三十四案三十四案同意改為三減五十萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署 |
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第三十案改三減五十萬科目可調整可併案 接下來續審第三十五案三十五案同意改為主決議 文字修正為請勞動部於一個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出專案報告第三十五案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審第三十六案三十六案同意改為主決議委員已簽署文字修正為原此提案三減預算一百萬元等文字以下刪除 |
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第三十六案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第三十七案第三十七案同意改為併案凍結七百二十二萬元委員已簽署第三十七案改凍結七百二十二萬元可併案接下來續審第三十八案第三十八案同意改為凍結一百萬元一個月專案報告改為三個月內提出書面報告 |
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第38案改動決議百萬並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下續審第39案39案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部針對上訴問題於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生委員會提交書面報告第39案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下續審第40案 |
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第四十案同意改組決議一個月專案報告改為三個月內提出書面報告第四十案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第四十一案第四十一案同意改為凍結五十萬元三個月內提出書面報告我願意簽署第四十一案改凍結五十萬並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第四十二案 |
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第四十二案同意改為主決議文字原凍結刪除該項預算百分之十等以下的文字刪除第四十二案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第四十三案第四十三案同意改為促進國民就業計畫就業服務業務青年就業服務並按刪減一百五十萬元並按凍結兩百萬元委員已簽署 |
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第四三案改三減一百五十萬凍結兩百萬元科目為促進國民就業計畫就業服務業務青年就業服務可併案接下來對不起委員抱歉那個文字可能還有一段補述抱歉那個提案文字待提送書面報告與未還委員會後解凍 |
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好文字按照剛剛行政機關的宣讀文字通過接下來去審第44案44案同意改為刪減促進國民就業計畫就業服務業務辦理僱用及就業獎助業務專案缺工就業獎勵50萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署 |
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第四次案改動改減三減五十萬科目為促進國民就業計畫就業服務業務辦理雇用及就業獎助業務專案缺工就業獎勵科目可好那接下去審第四十五案第四十五案同意改為三減一百萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署 |
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第45案改3減100萬元 科目可調整可併案 接下來續審第46案 |
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46案 同意併案刪減100萬元 併案凍結100萬元 委員已簽署第46案 改刪減100萬元 凍結100萬元 科目可調整可併案 接下來續審第47案47案 委員同意改為併案刪減150萬元 科目自行調整 委員已簽署 |
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第四十六案 四十七案改三檢一百五十萬元科目可調整可併案接下來續審第四十八案四十八案同意併案檢列一百萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署文字有調整嗎沒有 |
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那48案改簡列100萬元科目可調整可併案 接下來續審第49案49案科目改為促進國民就業計畫參加國際技能組織賽事暨交流訪問同意併案簡列100萬元科目自行調整已簽署第49案改簡列 |
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1百萬元科目為促進國民就業計畫參加國際技能組織賽事暨交流訪問那可併案 接下來續審第50案第50案同意改為併案3減5百萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署第50案改3減5百萬科目可調整可併案 接下來續審第51案 |
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第51案委員同意改凍結推動勞工健康服務人才多元就業及營造健康工作環境促進就業計畫100萬元第51案改凍結100萬科目為推動勞工健康服務人才多元就業及營造健康工作環境促進就業計畫接下來續審第52案第52案委員同意改凍結200萬元 |
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文字有沒有調整沒有第52案改凍結200萬元接下來續審53案 |
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第五十三案委員已同意簽署改為主決議 文字修正倒數第五行 原請勞動部勞動及職業安全衛生研究所向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提於三個月內提出資料治理架構資料去識別化與資安控管及近三年成果採行情形之書面報告 以上第五十三案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下去審五十四案 |
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第54案同意改為三減三百萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署第54案改三減三百萬科目可自行調整接下來續審第55案第55案同意改為併案凍結一百萬元委員已簽署文字修正為最後一段增加代提送書面報告與未還委員會後解凍 |
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第55案改凍結100萬可病案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審56案56案同意改為病案3減50萬元科目自行調整委員已簽署第56案改3減50萬可病案接下來續審第57案57案保留 |
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書委員不在 接下來續審五十八案五十八案同意改為凍結一百萬元專案報告改為書面報告委員已簽署 文字部分對 專案報告改書面報告第五十八案改凍結一百萬並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審五十九案五十九案因為陳金威委員 |
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保留那59案保留 接下來續審60案60案同意併案凍結100萬元專案報告改書面報告 委員已簽署第60案改凍結100萬可併案併案照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審61案61案同意改為併案凍結300萬元 委員已簽署61案改凍結300萬可併案 接下來續審第62案 |
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六十二案同意改為主決議文字有關建議刪除一千萬元等文字刪除第六十二案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審六十三案六十三案同意改為併案凍結一百萬元委員已簽署第六十三案改凍結一百萬可併案接下來續審六十四案 |
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64案同意改凍結100萬元 |
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文字4勞動部勞動力發展署於兩個月內向立法委員向立法院社會福利及環境委員會提出書面報告後使得動之第64案改動節100萬並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過65萬保留接下來續審66萬 |
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66案同意改為凍結外國人聘僱管理及許可計畫100萬元專案報告改為書面報告第66案改凍結100萬科目為外國人聘僱管理及許可計畫 |
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並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審六十七案六十七案同意改為主決議文字修正為請勞動部勞動力發展署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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第67案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審68案68案同意改為組決議文字修正為請勞動部就業安定基金管理會於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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六十八案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審六十九案六十九案同意改為凍結一百萬元並按處理科目自行調整為原意簽署第六十九案改凍結一百萬科目可調整可併案接下來續審第七十案第七十案同意改為組決議文字修正為請勞動部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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七十案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第七十一案七十一案同意改為簡略辦理外國人聘僱許可業務等相關事項五十萬元委員已簽署 |
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第七十一案改簡列五十萬科目為辦理外國人聘僱許可業務等相關事項科目可自行調整接下來續審七十二案 |
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七十二案同意改為減列一百萬元同意併案處理科目自行調整委員已簽署第七十二案改減列一百萬科目可調整可併案七十三案七十四案都保留那接下來續審第七十五案委員已簽署改動結二十萬元第七十五案改動結二十萬元第七十六案 |
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請行政機關 七十六案委員主決議已經簽署但末行的時得動之四個字請刪除七十六案改主決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審七十七案第七十七案委員同意改凍結一百萬元修正部分文字於勞動部於一個月內提出書面報告 |
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第77案改冻结100万并按照行政机关宣读文字通过接下去审第78案 |
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第78案也經過我們修正軍委員的同意修正我們的改成為主決議文字的修改倒數第二行申請勞動部於兩個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出精進勞工法律輔助措施及相關宣導規劃書面報告以上 |
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七十八案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第七十九案第七十九案委員提案專照辦理第七十九案照劉建國委員提案通過接下來我們進入到勞工退休基金新制 |
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來八十案八十案委員已簽署委員同意改為主決議文字修正最後一段原本向經費凍結一百萬元到最後使得凍資整段文字刪除第八十案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來積欠工資的電廠基金裡面第八十案 |
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81項委員已簽署同意改為主決議最後一段文字修正為原請勞動部就如何提升追償成效向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上第81案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來我們進入到財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心來第一案 |
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第一案委員已簽署同意改組決議倒數第二行開始文字修正委請財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心於三個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出進行書面報告句號以下文字刪除第一案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第二案 |
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第二案委員已簽署同意修改減劣數為三千千元可併案三減科目修正為業務支出文字部分從倒數第三行修正為原建議三減三千千元以下文字刪除第二案改三減三百萬元可併案接下來續審第三案 |
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第三案委員已簽署同意修改檢列數300萬元可併案刪減科目修正為業務支出文字部分從倒數第二行修正為原建議刪減300萬元以下文字刪除第三案改刪減300萬可併案接下來續審第四案 |
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第四案委員已簽署同意三減數修改為兩百萬元凍結數修改為一百萬元文字部分倒數第二行修正為三減數修改為新台幣兩百萬元凍結預算數修改為新台幣一百萬元第四案改三減兩百萬凍結一百萬並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審第五案 |
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第五案委員已簽署同意改組決議文字部分倒數第四行刪除顯見預算編列腐爛逗號倒數第三行原建議刪除開始到最後修改為請勞動部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第五案 |
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改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審第6案第6案委員已簽署同意修改檢列數300萬元可併案刪減科目修正為業務支出文字部分從倒數第二行修正為原建議刪除300萬元以下文字刪除第6案改刪減300萬元 |
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科目為業務支出那可併案接下來續審第七案陳委員不在那我們先行保留 接下來續審第八案 |
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第八案委員已簽署同意修改為凍結十萬元文字部分從倒數第二行卻未見有說明開始修正為原凍結該項預算十萬元於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出上半年度執行成效之書面報告經同意後始得動之 |
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第八案改冻结10万并按照行政机关刚宣读文字通过接下续审第九案第九案委员以签署同意改组决议文字部分从倒数第二行原建议冻结开始修正为请财团法人职业灾害预防及重建中心向立法院未还委员会提出书面报告第九案改组决议并按照行政机关宣读文字通过 |
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接下來續審第十案第十案委員已簽署同意改組決議文字部分從倒數第二行開始修正為請財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心於三個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出進行書面報告以下文字刪除第十案改組決議必按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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有關勞動部主管公務及基金預算案以及財團法人預算書案第一輪已審查完畢先休息十分鐘請部會先行溝通稍後繼續進行第二輪審查審查完後我們會接續處理病案簡列凍結案請勞動部將病案說明表發給我們的與會委員現在休息十分鐘這是最新的病案 |
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好 現在針對保留部分的提案進行第二輪審查現在先進行我們公務預算保留部分的主案討論 每案先請行政單位說明 接著請委員表示意見第一案保留送鞋商保留送鞋商我一併宣告好不好 我剛剛有講過一次 我的第一案 |
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第一案 第六案 二十九案 二一一案 保留送協商因為都是跟沒宣費有關的二一一都涉及到沒宣 所以保留送協商 |
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第1案 第6案 第29案 第211案保留送協商那接下來第10案第10案委員已經簽署同意改凍結勞動保險業務10萬元可併案那文字修正為第一段115年度勞動部預算案與第一幕勞動不好意思都沒有東西如果要要給我們東西給我們資料 |
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因為我改過的我們這邊只有三案而已其他的你現在念的第十案我們手上沒有我們這邊只拿到三案 |
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好來第十案再重新再講一次第十案委員已簽署同意改凍結勞動保險業務十萬元可並凍那文字修正為第一段一五年度勞動部預算案與第一幕勞動保險業務編列預算兩千八百八十三億六二七五萬四千元 |
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那最後一段修正為原凍結勞動保險業務預算十萬元是勞動部與兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後使得動之以上 |
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第十案改凍結十萬同意併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來第十七案十七案委員已經簽署那同意改組決議文字修正為最後一段原請勞動部與向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出執行情形之書面報告以上 |
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第十七案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來第二十案第二十案委員已經簽署改列一般行政改檢列一般行政一百萬元文字修正在最後一句話原併案檢列該項預算一百萬元科目自行調整 |
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第20案改簡列100萬科目為一般行政可併案文字按照剛剛宣讀通過接下來23案 |
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二十三案委員已經簽署改組決議文字修正為在第二段最後權益保障措施後面增加請勞動部本於全責強化各項勞動權益保障與促進並準決支出 核實辦理最後一段簡略這段文字整個刪除第二十三案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過 接下來續審八七案 |
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87案謝謝王委員你同意並這個書委員今天早上有跟那個71案的書委員案也刪除並同刪除100萬 |
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昨天在省七十一案的時候那個書委員是刪除一百萬今天早上跟王委員溝通王委員有同意那個病七十一案刪除一百萬科目可自行調整那書委員辦公室有同意那這個部分我念一下文字上面有修正第十五款第一項六目零四促進職場平權落實職業平等那個刪除 |
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然后科目为劳动条件及就业平等司5亿9915万5000元文字上面的最后一行请劳动部一个月内邀集全国各地方政府透过中央与地方合作推动育儿弹性工时原三减该项预算100万 |
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第87案改簡列100萬元那科目可自行調整可併案並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來續審96案96案委員已經同意改為主決議修正文字如下倒數第4行透過分階段漸進推動以兩年期程深化推動 |
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逐步落實全面法制化之目標最後一段請勞動部於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上第96案改組決議並按照行政機關宣讀文字通過接下來147案147案有沒有資料在哪裡我們這邊沒看到 |
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1476780就你們有的是不是先直接先上來給我們現在這邊只有180案有14767 |
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行政機關 |
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吳昭偉那是只要凍結500萬其他還有沒有有沒有可以並案凍結可以並案科目可不可以自行調整可以文字沒有修正好第147案改凍結500萬可並案科目可自行調整接下來續審167案 |
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那盧昭偉要不要好謝謝就是因為我們看到是青年職業發展中心為訂定服務基線經與產出行來指標衡量績效而導致達成率超標200%甚至破千難以真實衡量提升青年就業率的成效所以這邊本來是凍結500萬我改凍結200萬 |
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可併案嗎 可不可自行調整那167案改凍結200萬 |
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那科目可自行調整可併案報告委員抱歉因為那個這次計畫主要是支應這個人事的費用第一線同仁的人事費用是不是可以金額再略減100然後可併案可以嗎好那167案改凍結100萬 |
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科目可自行調整或併案你們科目可自行調整然後可併案接下來180案180案 王委員同意改為併案凍結然後500萬元科目改為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務文字修正 |
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為 勞動部勞動力發展署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後 使得動之同意並按科目自行調整 |
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第180案改凍結500萬科目為跨國勞動力延攬中心業務科目可自行調整可併案文字按照該行政機關宣讀的通過接下來256案 |
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第256案委員已經同意改凍結職業安全衛生業務100萬那專案報告改書面報告第256案改凍結100萬科目為職業安全衛生業務專案報告變成書面報告接下來續審264案264案委員已簽署改凍結職業安全衛生業務100萬專案報告改書面報告 |
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264案改凍結100萬科目為職業安全衛生業務專案報告變書面報告接下來我們的基金的第4案第4案保留送協商第11案 |
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第11案保留送協商 第12案12案書委員兼不在 那我們就不予處理 13案保留送協商13案保留送協商 來19案 等一下書委員的也是保留送協商他不在 你是簽署人嗎 |
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對 我說確認一下有簽署嗎醫生員可以幫我確認一下我說十三案 十二案是的 謝謝 |
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所以第四案 第十一案 第十二案 第十三案都保留送協商是接下來去審第十九案十九案有資料嗎十九案資料呢十九案是蘇委員齁那蘇委員是保留 謝謝 |
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19案嗎19案我確定一下所以我這邊要保留送血箱的還有19 20 23 255774 |
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好 我確定一次19 20 23 25 57 74還有一個65 不好意思57跟74中間有一個65案好來第4 11 12 13 19 20 23 25 |
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五七六五七四都保留送血傷謝謝主席好接下來我們續審第五十九案五十九案有資料嗎 |
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行政部門59跟73還有第7案我的是59 我也是要保留送協商 謝謝第59案也是保留送協商 73案 |
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73案也是保留送協商73案保留送協商接下來第7案第7案我的嗎麻煩陳委員請確認好嗎好那我可以講第7案了嗎 |
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好第七案昨天就是已經質詢部長了嘛那後來有非常非常多有熟悉這個這件事情發生的來龍去脈的人都跟我們反映就是重建中心的內部治理人事的任用還有資格審查要立刻展開行政調查因為其實很清楚我們不能被動的等學校或者是外界那我覺得 |
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最被人詬病的當然是他在審查這個提拔13個人的人事案的時候其實自己已經知道自己正在被調查中那他獲得這個職位還有獲得他的任用資格專業能力居然是抄襲來的那當然我也請部長可以去就是您可以很清楚的看得出來那個抄襲的比例是有多大 |
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而且是博士學位去抄襲一個碩士的論文所以我認為我們會等你的調查報告出來你昨天是說你需要三個月才可以有個調查報告那第一當然是其實你應該是要主動去做這件事情的而不是等到我們質詢的時候你才開始那第二未來我們非常的想要知道說這個裡面因為 |
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昨天沒有辦法把全部的過程質詢得很清楚但是裡面顯然是一個先霸凌後來再內鬥然後人事爭議還有學倫的爭議這個是整體制度管理的失靈後來它前後衍生出來的事情太多了因為昨天也有非常多人來跟我澄清裡面相關的事務所以這案如果您看您要不要先說但是我會請向寫香送保留送寫香 謝謝 |
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好,那個第一個關於在這個我分幾點說明 |
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关于这个前执行长他确实现在的这个学轮在学校的认定是有出来那但是我们其实当然会来检视他过去但这个职位上面有没有因为是这个不因为博士是因为博士学位而有的佳绩我的意思是说我举个例子如果他的这个相关的职位他说因为是他因为是博士级要要求要博士级 |
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可是因為他這個學位的問題所以變成他其實是沒有博士級但是當然是有問題的可是我們當然檢視了一下他過去不管是做治安署的副署長或者是老人所的所長或者是這個現在從中心基本上並沒有以就說這個職缺的資格這個職位的資格並沒有以要以博士級作為前提 |
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那所以我的意思是说这当然学轮这个是可是我我没有办法说他是不符合做这一个职位的资格的因为这个职位的资格假设他在一开始应聘的时候就是以要以博士级为前提的话那当然就会有问题可是这几个位置并没有这个状况这是我第一个要先说的 |
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那第二件事情是說當然從中心裡面的人事的問題我還是秉持一貫的的邏輯今天如果有相關的這個投訴有事證的部分我們絕對秉公處理 |
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我们绝对秉公处理要调查要有外部委员要按照现在接下来的这个相关的程序的要求绝对秉公处理我们希望是这样子的那可是如果只是但我们会来做一些了解可是我我还是要说其实市政是很重要的事情那昨天有答应成员三个月的时间我们会来做这些相关 |
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的這個行政上面的調查的了解我這部分我會來做只是我的我還是要說因為法案裡面還是有很多很認真的同仁包括像我們副執行長其實都是非常專業的同仁在這裡面所以我們也非常希望能夠讓這個讓這個從事中心在人事上面能夠有相對的比較穩定下來才比較能讓他們好好的進行這些專業的工作 |
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那我覺得這部分是我們最希望的事情可是只要有事證或者過去即便過去調查完有新的事證我們都願意處理但是重點是要有事證我先跟您說一下因為從之前這個霸凌後來這個外部委員提出告訴等等的這些事一直到抄襲問題是被媒體揭露這些幾乎都不是靠你內部的機制被發現幾乎都不是霸凌那個時候有對不對 |
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然后这个是让新闻先开始然后外部的压力才浮上台面首先我们先不说拥有博士学位是不是让他获得这个这个职位的关系但是呢他拥有这个这一个类别的博士他用这个东西从106年开始求职我想也是对他专业的一个认定吧不是吗否则他不会把它拿出来当做他的这个申请的表格之一 |
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那最奇怪的事情是當他去處理這個13人的人事案其實 |
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這個他自己已經知道他的專業能力是這個博士的專業能力是造假是抄襲來的所以他在倫理上是有重大瑕疵的那為什麼還會讓他在這個時候掌握公共的資源跟人事權呢所以我就覺得這案就我們就保留宋寫商就好但是我也希望部長可以盡快調查出來這個博士總要沒辦法這樣子 |
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那个我还是要说我尊重委员送学商把这个案送学商我尊重可是我还是要说第一个 |
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他并没他这个前执行长他其实有他在他过去包括在公务体系里面专业的经历这个专业的经历不管是当这个责任署的副署长或者是法人的执行长他有他在这方面的经历如果今天这个职位是说要博士级那他这个博士学位 |
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18728.281 |
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被拿掉那當然這就是資格上是有問題可是因為這幾個位置上並沒有要求一定要博士學所以我們不能說他是不符合資格第一個我沒有辦法說他是不符合資格的第二個基本上在人事上的處理我們會用有沒有符合法規來去做一輪檢視 |
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18764.11 |
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可是我还是要说他没有不符合资格第二个是我们来看这些所有的申签他符不符合法规上面的处理我先念一下因为我后来我刚翻到我才看到说其他委员也同样在关注这件事情那这个你应该也知道在公共预算的第102案我们有看到说 |
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18764.87 |
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陈英文人他好像还有再更深入的调查意思说该执行长任职不到一年以多次调整内部人事案然后致使主管人数恐逾越预算核定的职缺数这点看你等一下要不要解释一下那该法人人事预算经过立法院审议通过有关这个职缺数这都表列出来了 |
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然后他也讲到说未满一个月即将去职的执行长离职前大幅调整人事并要求不得外泄昨天你有讲到说有一些职位他本来就有空缺但是从陈英委员的这个案子看起来你们应该还大于我们所掌握到的未满一个月他所调整人事说不定更多 |
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那就是對於該法人內部的管理顯有疏漏並且這個引起內部的人員反彈所以我我覺得這個剛好是讓部長有個機會可以做詳細的調查因為是不只一位委員有注意到這件事情好謝謝主席基本上在人事的問題我們就會依法依規來檢視以上所以是保留嗎 |
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18859.29 |
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要保留我們就尊重可是這個不會在總預算的那個協商裡面喔因為財產法人不會上來我們尊重委員保留的權利啦只是我是說人事的問題我們會依法依規來做檢視我們也希望您可以盡快看到如果可以提前看到您的報告會更好謝謝 |
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18861.427 |
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18877.39 |
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那來黃署長是抱歉有關基金預算第37案林淑芬委員的提案他已經簽署但是他並沒有要同意併案所以特此更正好 不同意併案第37案是嗎是好 第37案就是凍結722萬元好 第37案凍結772萬元722722萬元那不併案 |
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18917.57 |
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好現在處理有關提案委員預算簡列凍結案部分請勞動部將本市公務預算各提案委員同意並案並簡列或凍結之提案案號跟科目會診之部分宣讀並並案凍結之提案案號及科目經現場決議後通過來第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
18926.063 |
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18939.374 |
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勞動部的部分那個公務預算的部分合併凍結勞動關係業務50萬元那並案的案次別是第二案41案42 43 4445 46 47 48 49 50 51 54 55 58那主案別是46案委員們有沒有意見 |
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18967.692 |
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沒有的話我們就同意通過那下一個合併凍結勞動保險業務10萬元併案的案次別是第7第8第9跟第10案委員有沒有意見沒有就通過接下來下一案合併凍結勞動保險業務25萬元併案的案次是12案跟13案 |
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18986.84 |
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19012.68 |
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委員有沒有意見沒有意見通過下一案合併簡列一般行政100萬元併案的案識別是第18案跟第20案委員有沒有意見沒有意見通過下一案合併簡列綜合規劃業務策劃政策推展10萬元凍結10萬元沒有看到我們在哪裡 |
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19015.649 |
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19025.512 |
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那個劃掉了沒有了這個不好意思這個沒有這個劃掉來下一案下一案是那個合併凍結勞動關係業務20萬元併案的案次別是53、57跟59案委員有沒有意見沒有通過下一案 |
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19036.406 |
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19048.197 |
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合併凍結勞動福祉退休業務50萬元併案的案次別是60案61、63、65跟67那主案是60案委員有沒有意見沒有通過下一案合併凍結勞動福祉退休業務10萬元併案的案次別是64、69跟70委員有沒有意見 |
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19062.435 |
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19078.409 |
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沒有意見通過 下一案合併凍結勞動條件及就業平等業務50萬元併案的案次別是73 75 77 83 90跟91案那主案別是75案委員有沒有意見沒有通過 下一案合併剪裂勞動條件及就業平等業務100萬元併案的案次是71跟87案委員有沒有意見 |
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19090.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
19100.102 |
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沒有通過 下一案 勞保局的部分 合併凍結一般行政300萬元 併案的案次別是113 114 116 126 131案 委員有沒有意見沒有通過 下一案 合併凍結保險業務30萬元併案的案次別是129 134 135跟136 主案別是129 委員有沒有意見 |
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19120.236 |
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19143.872 |
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沒有通過 下一個勞動及發展署及所屬合併凍結一般行政100萬元 併案的案次別是145 147跟148案中間有跳掉一個 前面還有一個沒有啦 前面有個合併凍結的勞動力發展業務100萬 |
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19148.183 |
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19155.285 |
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167那個是下一個科目第一個科目是一般行政下一個案子是合併凍結勞動力發展業務100萬元凍結的那個併案的案次是165跟167那主案號是167好委員有沒有意見沒有通過 |
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19170.319 |
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19173.423 |
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下一案合併凍結勞動力發展業務跨國勞動力延攬中心業務500萬元併案的案次是35 176 177 178180 182 185 189那主案別是177案有沒有意見 |
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他後來有改100萬 |
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19247.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
19254.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
他不要 他現在說你這案跟別人病那麼多 他不同意180他要刪掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
19264.65 |
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19287.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
不是那個那個部長 |
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那個還是要跟委員說就是說其實當然這都是很多的重要的業務的重要的業務的執行啊但是當然委員剛剛如果我們當然還是希望能夠併案啦但是如果委員說不併案我們當然也只能尊重委員沒錯就不能夠不是啊他剛剛有宣告五百萬啊好 |
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19329.442 |
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那就是把它180拿掉囉好那再重新再合併凍結勞動力發展業務跨國勞動力延攬中心業務500萬元併案的案次是35 176 177 178 182 185跟189主案別是177 |
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19342.301 |
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19351.527 |
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好來前面剛有個合併凍結一般行政的100萬先確認一下你寫145 147 148可是147是凍500萬所以這確認一下可以嗎他後來有改過100萬嗎好那我們好 |
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19368.123 |
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那這個合併凍結一般行政100萬元的有145 147 148沒有意見我們就通過那接下來下一個合併凍結勞動力發展業務跨國勞動力延攬中心業務300萬元併案的案次號184 188 |
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19391.82 |
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19394.862 |
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合併凍結勞動力發展業務跨國勞動力延攬中心業務延攬中心業務費100萬元 併案的案次號是183跟186 |
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19419.772 |
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合併簡列勞動力發展業務跨國勞動力延攬中心業務421萬5千元併案的案次是175181主案別是175會有意見沒有就通過來職業安全衛生署的合併凍結職業安全衛生業務200萬元併案的案次是 |
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19434.073 |
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19439.697 |
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210、212、220、221、224、232、233、234、239、242、253、255跟258主案別是233220、234、253完全都不得不得併貨221、234再唸一次那個拜託運輸委員再唸一次2 |
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19476.376 |
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19483.701 |
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253都不得併送,你們太誇張了,之後的案子都併在這一案,然後合併兩百萬,這樣不是...不是二零,是二二零,二二零,是二二零,二一二一,沒有二二零,來 |
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19488.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
19493.23 |
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我們尊重委員的意見就是委員剛剛提到的220、233、253不好意思220、233、253220、234、253好來再念一次 |
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19516.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
19522.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
合併凍結職業安全衛生業務200萬元併案的案次別是210、212、221、224、232、233、239、242、255、258 主案別是233合併凍結職業安全衛生業務100萬元併案案次別是213、2215、244 主案別213 |
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19546.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
19553.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
有沒有意見沒有通過 下案合併凍結職業安全衛生業務100萬元 併案案識別214216委員有沒有意見沒有就通過接下來就要安定基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
19566.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
19588.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
就業安定金合併簡列促進國民就業計畫構建固定資產無形資產非理財目的之長期投資及影射與設施工程支出構置無形資產200萬元併案案識別第16案跟31案有沒有意見沒有通過下一案合併簡列促進國民就業計畫多元就業與創業協助創新 |
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19592.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
19596.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
發展與數位學習業務強化勞動力發展創新效能1000萬元並按次別24跟50有沒有意見來有沒有好 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
19625.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
19635.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
合併凍結促進國民就業計畫服務費用一般服務費100萬元 病案案識別第29案跟30案 |
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19647.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
19668.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
合併簡略促進國民就業計畫就業服務業務青年就業服務一百五十萬元凍結兩百萬元病案案次別四十三、四十六、四十七有沒有意見好那就四十三案拿掉 四十六案、四十七案並案 |
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19671.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
19683.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
合併簡列促進國民就業計畫職能標準及技能檢定與競賽業務參加國際技能組織賽事及交流訪問100萬元並按案次別48、49案合併凍結外國人聘僱管理及許可計畫300萬元並按案次別第55、60、61案 |
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19707.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
19709.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
那就只有60 61病案 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
19714.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
19740.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
好現在做以下決議第一中華民國一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管公務及基金預算業宜審查完略提報院會討論院會討論前是否需交由黨團協商好那交由黨團協商院會討論本案時由林昭及委員願請補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
19745.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
19772.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
第二 勞動部含送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心一百一十五年度預算書案業宇審查完略提報院會討論院會討論前需交由需是否交由黨團協商有保留交由黨團協商院會討論本案時有零召集委員願請補充說明 |
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19775.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
19803.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
三 今日審議之勞動部預算修正提案尚未提供之部分請行政機關盡速提供並授權議事人員整理作為決議列入記錄那為什麼現在才講那你們你們要不要先補充念一下然後讓大家確定 |
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19810.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
19833.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
趕快念一下法人第二案跟第三案 第六案合併三減三百萬元那主案別為第三案委員有沒有意見沒有啊 就通過好 我繼續念第四 凡有因依公務預算審議結果而須隨同調整相關非營 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
19835.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
19844.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
業績精神醫術者 請勞動部會後競速提供相關資料並授權醫事人員整理作為決議列入紀錄 本次會議到此結束 現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
19864.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
19883.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
以前沒有要唸這個啊以前是在處理個案的時候就要處理啦可是後來沒有在那邊唸這個啊我們是這樣子比較清楚啦因為以前是在你處理這個第一個案子比方說這個案子就要處理那我們就要跳著處理嘛跳著處理跳著看有些委員不在啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
19884.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
19894.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
那現在我們在審那個...我們有養護委員在我們就可以處理啦以前是現場在弄啦現在我們在最後的時候弄會比較不方便嗎?部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
19898.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
19913.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
蛤?哪個是惡人鎮長什麼意思?是不處理啊,可是他們有那個連署委員說他們要再進來我們知道啊什麼東西? |