| IVOD_ID |
17490 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17490 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T08:38:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T10:14:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:35:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2de66ab847b1d2194ef25e7ce585dad157807a15c9b876171536e3e45eb9d2b5175ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國家安全局收支公開及機密部分。（處理）（6月1日、3日及4日三天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:38:58 - 10:14:00 |
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對我們的 |
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115年度中央政府總預算案國家安全局授資公開部分 |
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1687.062 |
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一税入部分第二款罚款及赔偿收入第79项国防部所属国家安全局部分99万8千元第三款规费收入第65项国防部所属国家安全局部分17万3千元第四款财产收入 |
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第八十九項國防部所屬國家安全局部分十三萬六千元第七款其他收入第八十八項國防部所屬國家安全局部分八百七十七萬兩千元二稅出部分第九款第二項國防部所屬國家安全局部分第二幕情報行政十一億六千七百七十六萬七千元現在宣讀委員之預算提案第一案至第二案為 |
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第二幕行政管理之提案第一案凍結2%委員王安祥等提案第二案凍結2%委員王安祥等提案第三案至第六案為第二幕行政管理業務費之提案第三案凍結1%委員王安祥等提案第四案凍結1%委員王安祥等提案第五案凍結1%委員王安祥等提案 |
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第六案,凍結1%委員王安祥等提案。第七案至第九案為第二幕行政管理業務費水電費之提案。第七案,凍結5%委員黃建斌等提案。第八案,水電費凍結3%委員劉許廷等提案。 |
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第十案至第十一案為第二目行政管理業務費資訊服務費之提案,第十案減列130萬元為馬文君等提案,第十一案凍結10%,委員徐巧欣等提案,第十二案第二目行政管理保險費減列143萬元為馬文君等提案。 |
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第十三案至第十八案為第二目行政管理一般事務費之提案第十三案凍結一百萬元委員黃仁等提案第十四案凍結五十萬元委員盧美玲等提案第十五案檢列六十一萬六千元 |
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委员黄建斌等提案第16案减列50万元委员黄仁等提案第17案冻结50万元委员陈永康等提案第18案冻结4%委员徐小新等提案第19至第23案为第二幕行政管理 |
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1827.429 |
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车辆及办公器具养护费之提案第十九案减列七十万四千元委员黄建斌等提案第二十二案冻结一百万元委员林楚英等提案第二十一案冻结二十万元委员王逸川等提案第二十二案冻结四十万元委员陈永康等提案第二十三案冻结四百万元委员徐巧兴等提案第二十四至三十五案为第二幕行政管理设施及机械设备养护费 |
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第24案檢列120萬元 委員馬文君等提案第25案檢列90萬6千元 凍結10% 委員黃建斌等提案第26案凍結200萬元 委員王逸川等提案第27案凍結700萬元 委員馬文君等提案第28案凍結100萬元 委員黃仁等提案 |
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第29案 凍結4%委員黃仁等提案第30案 凍結30萬元委員王定宇等提案第31案 凍結100萬元委員陳俊宇等提案第32案 凍結100萬元委員盧美玲等提案第33案 凍結10萬元委員沈伯陽等提案第34案 凍結50萬元委員陳永康等提案第35案 凍結20%委員徐巧欣等提案第36案 違第二目行政管理國內旅費 |
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1906.805 |
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1934.157 |
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凍結10%委員林楚英等提案第37至第38案為第二幕行政管理特別費之提案第37案凍結20%委員王安祥等提案第38案凍結20%委員王安祥等提案第39案為第二幕行政管理房屋建築及設備檢列367萬元凍結400萬元委員馬文君等提案第40至第45案為第二幕 |
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1934.591 |
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1937.319 |
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行政管理资讯软硬体设备废纸提案 |
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1937.813 |
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1967.218 |
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第40案檢列450萬元凍結1500萬元委員馬文君等提案第41案凍結200萬元委員王逸川等提案第42案凍結10%委員林楚英等提案第40案凍結100萬元委員陳俊宇等提案第43案凍結100萬元委員陳俊宇等提案第44案凍結100萬元委員黃仁等提案第45案凍結50萬元委員王定宇等提案第46至第55案為第二目行政管理 |
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1968.663 |
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1969.549 |
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設備及投資雜項設備費之提案 |
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1971.365 |
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1978.49 |
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第46案 凍結1500萬元 委員林楚芸 等提案第47案 凍結5% 委員劉許廷 等提案第48案 檢列1000萬元 凍結1000萬元 委員馬文君 等提案第49案 檢列400萬元 委員黃仁 等提案第50案 凍結10% 委員徐曉新 等提案第51案 凍結800萬元 委員劉許廷 等提案第52案 凍結100萬元 委員陳永康 等提案第53案 |
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1997.984 |
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2004.467 |
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第56至57案为第二幕情报教育训练之题案第56案冻结100万元委员陈俊宇等题案第57案冻结50万元委员卢美宁等题案 |
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2018.482 |
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2044.682 |
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第58案为第二幕情报教育训练又被冻结100万元委员卢梅林等提案第59至60案为第二幕情报教育训练教育训练费之提案第59案减列100万元冻结5%委员马文君等提案第60案冻结200万元委员林楚英等提案第61至第62案为第二幕情报教育训练安日案件技资筹金之提案第61案 |
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2046.079 |
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2073.727 |
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檢列五十萬元 凍結四十萬元 委員馬文君等提案第六十二案 凍結一百萬元 委員黃仁等提案第六十三至六十四案為第二幕情報教育訓練費一般書費之提案第六十三案 凍結十萬元 委員沈伯陽等提案第六十四案 檢列一百萬元 凍結六十萬元 委員馬文君等提案第六十五案 第二幕情報教育訓練費 雜項設備費凍結二分之一 委員黃仁等提案第六十六至六十七案為第二幕情報建築及設備物品 |
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2077.346 |
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2084.767 |
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業務費之提案第66案物品檢列80萬元委員馬文君等提案第67案房屋建築及設備費檢列450萬元委員馬文君等提案第68至第69案為第二幕情報建築及設備資訊軟體設備費之提案第68案凍結10%委員徐巧欣等提案第69案凍結10%委員黃仁等提案第70案至第90案為主決議現在宣讀主決議之內容 |
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2107.95 |
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第七十案有鉴于中共对台借权手段日趋多元且数位化预料于2026年地方公职人员选举期间境外敌对势力可能大规模运用AI深度伪造技术及假措施 |
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2124.608 |
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及假錯訊息介入我國民主選舉運作為確保國家安全機關具備完善之主動防禦機制及時辨識能力及有效應處能量建請國家安全局就AI與假錯訊息防衛機制之強化提出書面報告於一個月內送交立法院外交及國防委員會提案人委員王定宇等人第七十一案 |
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2149.574 |
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2178.244 |
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建請國家安全局針對近三年基層軍職人員流失率分析流因改善成效及未來五年人力結構預警與應對方案提出書面報告請於一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出提案人委員王定宇等人第七十二案一百一十五年度國家安全局預算第二幕情報行政項下情報教育訓練中編列在職教育訓練費九百七十三萬八千元 |
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2178.666 |
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2204.004 |
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内涵营商工程采购作业等项在职教育训练建议国家安全局通盘评估营商工程及采购作业承办人员之训练需求严厉办理进阶级实务案例演习课程必要时得增列相关训练经费必利相关业务之执行提案人委员王逸川等人第七十三案115年度国家安全局第二幕情报行政项下 |
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2204.608 |
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2225.608 |
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情报教育训练中编列在职教育训练费973万8千元其中包含硕博士进修等项目建议国家安全局通盘规划情报人员硕博士进修之长期发展难途包含国内外进修名额配置补助额度合理化进修领域多元化等议题提案人委员王逸川等人 |
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2226.223 |
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2253.846 |
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第七十四案國家安全局第二幕情報行政下下情報教育訓練中編列特勤中心各類訓練用雜項設備太過五十萬元建議國家安全局通盤檢視特勤中心體能訓練設備之完整性及更新時程研議擴大新型訓練設備之引進範圍必要時得增列相關設備構置預算必利特勤人員體能之全面提升提案人委員王逸川等人第七十五案 |
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2255.944 |
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2279.553 |
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115年度国家安全局第二幕情报行政项下情报教育训练中编列特勤中心室内靶场主弹设施及各类体能训练器材保养维护经费106万6千元建议国家安全局通盘检视特勤中心靶场及训练器材之安全性化建立完善之预防性维护机制必要时得整列相关保养维护经费比例 |
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确保训练环境之安全无虞,提案人委员王逸川等人。第76案,115年度国家安全局第二幕情报行政详下情报教育训练中编列特请人员建设竞赛及训练评比奖励经费38万3千元,建议国家安全局通盘评估特请人员建设竞赛机制,引用扩大奖励范围及金额必要使得增烈相关预算,必力提升特请人员。 |
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2327.739 |
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專業精進智動能提案人委員王逸川等人。第七十七案,一百一十五年度國家安全局第二幕情報行政向下,情報教育訓練中編列各類情報特勤專業教育訓練班對開結訓會場佈置,請據喜迪、加菜金、安基幹部服裝製作等教育訓練輸入經費九百七十萬兩千元。 |
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2328.82 |
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建議國家安全局重新評估各類訓練班對知書物經費編列基準特別針對加菜精請據洗涤頻率訓練服裝品質等項目研議合理化調整提案人委員王逸川等人第78案國家安全局第二幕情報行政向下情報教育訓練中編列授訊學員課物教材器具參考書籍文具紙張等消耗性物品購置經費194萬2000元建議國家安全局通盤 |
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2378.95 |
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評估受訓學員之教材需求包含國際知名智庫訂閱外文專業期刊最新出版之情報及國安專業書籍等必利情報人員之專業養成提案人員王逸川等人第79案115年度國家安全局第二幕情報行政向下情報教育訓練中編列各類專題演講及教育訓練班對所需講座終點費1073萬3千元建議國家安全局邀請國內外 |
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2388.154 |
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2409.314 |
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反任之作战国际关系区域研究等领域之学者专家担任讲座强化情报人员之专业判断能力,并实施实际需求充实相关终点费预算。提案人为王玉川等人。第八十案,一百一十五年度国家安全局第二幕情报行政项下情报教育训练中, |
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2434.354 |
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編列在職教育訓練費973萬8千元建議國家安全局針對人工智慧資訊安全等新興領域演繹規劃系統性資在職進修課程並視實際需求增列相關預算提議委員王逸川等人第八十一案115年度國家安全局第二幕情報行政項下情報教育訓練中編列海外語文培訓等各類外語培訓訓練費訓練費用568萬1千元建議國家安全局通盤檢討 |
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2460.343 |
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關鍵語總人才需求研議擴大海外語文培訓規模並陣列關鍵語總訓練專項資源以強化我國對重點區域情勢之掌握能力提案人委員王逸川等人第82案115年度國家安全局第二幕 |
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行政向下情报教育训练费中编列国安特考及新晋人员训练费用三百二十二万六千元建议国家安全局在既有训练课程的基础上强化新晋人员之国家忠诚教育保密法令训练及反渗透意识培养并适度检讨课程时数及教材内容提案人委员王逸川等人第八十三案 |
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2487.128 |
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2516.398 |
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國家安全局一百十五年度預算新增編列特勤中心安全警戶備車特殊規格輪胎汰換太過費用該筆預算涵蓋奧迪及BMW等兩輛警備車至安全輪胎編列預算數分別為兩百零六萬六千元及兩百一十八萬八千元請國家安全局三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出確保行政安全及提升資源運用效益之書面報告提案人委員沈伯陽等人 第八十四案 |
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國家安全局本部及科技中心於115年度編列預算購置柴油發電車各兩台編列經費共2100萬元鑑於科技勤搜裝備需仰賴穩定之電力供需為確保徵收系統與作業機房環境改善期間能正常運作建請國家安全局妥善規劃並於3個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員沈伯陽等人第85萬國家安全局 |
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115年度志愿士兵招募人数目标值仅15人较112年至114年度招募目标数减半且近5年招募之人数除113年度达27人外其余年度招募人数皆在12人以下招货率更是低于5成原请国家安全局于三个月内向立法院外交及国防委员会提出目前招募实务作业情形及精进措施书面报告提案人委员沈伯扬等人第86案 |
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建議今年底我國將舉行九合一地方公職人員選舉中共勢必透過複合式守法屆選包括結合AI三維技術傳播正義訊息發布假民調等手段為確保公職人員選舉順利進行請國家安全局三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出防渡中國屆選之書面報告以確保我國民主法治之鞏固提案人委員沈伯陽等人 |
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第87案115年度国家安全局与情报教育训练中向下编列4679万3千元监察国家安全局自愿意士兵招募目标逐年大幅下修,显见人力补充策略失败。为敦促国家安全局积极提升招募诱因而非采行缩减目标之消极方式美化KPI,原建警国家安全局三个月内向立法院外交及国防委员会 |
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2630.768 |
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2656.416 |
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提出出面报告。提案人委员林楚英等人,第88案,115年度国家安全局以情报行政工作计划下,将加强公文书处理作业列为年度关键绩效指标KPI,并设定目标指为办理公文书处理作业,击吹次数36次。国家安全局应针对公文处理时效管制指标之合理性进行检讨,并于三个月内向立法院 |
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2656.94 |
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2678.841 |
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外交及国防委员会提出书面报告,提案人委员林楚英等人。第八十九案,总统赖清德原地于民国一百一十五年四月出访我国非洲友邦史瓦帝尼,行程却因非航许可问题而申辩。在此前,国家安全局局长却主动高调公开事先裁点行程,国安局局长身为我国情治首长之一。 |
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2680.715 |
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2690.635 |
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執行原首外訪維安任務,務必以低調保密為最高原則,並要求國安局後續改善出訪採點任務保密性。提案人委員徐巧欣等人, |
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2692.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2721.947 |
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第九十案國家安全局基於配合募兵推動制度每年軍隊外招募志願役士兵擔任基層勤務資源工作為近106至112年度招募人數均遠低於計劃目標且115年度志願役士兵招募人數目標值定定較114年度減負50%挑戰性不足請國家安全局三個月內提出書面報告送交立法院外交及國防委員會提案人委員陳俊宇 |
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2723.697 |
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2750.924 |
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第九十一案資訊服務費與一百一十五年度編列兩千一百四十七萬四千元辦理科技中心空間地理資訊系統維護為一百一十四年度一編列衛照雲端服務平台維護等經費一千七百二十三萬三千元兩年度投入與系統兼職功能區隔區隔成果產出未真清楚未審慎理用公帑原件請國家安全局兩個月內向立法院 |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2777.231 |
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外交及國防委員會提出出面報告提案人委員陳冠廷等人第九十二案一百一十五年度國家安全局第二幕情報行政向下行政管理中設備及投資資資資訊軟硬體設備費編列情報輔助工作用個人電腦三十九部等軟體汰換預算九百九十二萬七千元近三年年年編列與採購Windows一大量授權 |
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2778.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2797.053 |
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113年已购450套114年再编720套115年度又编720套即495万元为未见整体台湾实际部件比喻与既有授权之重叠情形之明确说明请国家安全局于两个月内向立法院外交集国防委员会提出书面报告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2823.176 |
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提案人委員陳冠廷等人第九十三案一百一十五年度國家安全局第二幕情報行政項下行政管理中設備及投資雜項設備費共計編列四十萬四千元為未見個案之規格採購內容與使用情見之充分說明難以判定編列之合理性原件請國家安全局於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳冠廷等人 |
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2824.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2852.016 |
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第九十四案,一百一十五年度国家安全局第二幕情报行政项下行政管理中业务费之特别费编列局长预算是十七万六千元,副局长预算七十万两千元,共计一百一十七万八千元。查一百一十四年度同项特别费仅编列新台币四十七万一千元,原件请国家安全局于两个月内向立法院外交及国防委员会提出出面报告,提案人委员陈冠廷等人。第九十五案, |
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2875.518 |
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一百一十五年度國家安全局第二幕情報行政向下行政管理業務費之國內旅費預算編列一百二十萬四千元為省省理用公堂並督促精進差旅管理原件請國家安全局兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出出面報告提案人委員陳冠廷等人第九十六案鑒於中共近年持續運用深層 |
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2876.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2891.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
深層式人工智慧AI森委影音自動化帳號及演算法推播等方式對我國進行認知作戰與影響力操作進行政府應儲方式是否已具備足夠之科技偵測分析預警及即使應儲量能值得關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2892.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2896.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
仍要求國家安全局就AI技術應用與認知作戰監測、資訊分析、一場帳號識別及預警機制等規劃與執行於三個月內向立法院、外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員盧美玲等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2907.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2925.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
第九十七案鑒於國家安全局日前會同法務部調查局及警政署行政局針對小紅書微博抖音微信及百度雲盤等五款中國製行動裝置應用程式APP進行資安檢測結果均顯示存在過度收集個資及 |
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2927.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2947.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
全線濫用等資安風險原要求國家安全局會同相關主管機關就其給予具高度資安疑慮之中次APP是否已涉及國家安全風險及未來是否採取限制或禁用措施與三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員盧美玲等人 |
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2948.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2967.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第九十法案,鉴于中共近年持续透过假讯息、宣伪影音、网络社群及演算法操作等方式对我国进行认知作战与影响力渗透。如果提升全民媒体试读能力与社会整体认知、认信以成重要国安课题,原来要求国家安全局会同相关部会, |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2982.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
就跨部會認知作戰防制機制全民媒體試讀教育及提升民眾對境外敵對勢力資訊操作警覺性等規劃與推動情形於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員盧美寧等人宣讀完畢 |
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2984.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3000.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
議事人員宣讀完畢在進行主案討論之前先跟各位說明我們依循往例的處理原則如下第一個就是國安局如果已經向提案委員說明已經有共識請直接報告溝通結果的凍結三檢或建議數額如果有其他提問再補充說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
第二 預算提案以二級用途別為並案原則那是行刑彈性處理並案的凍結或刪除以選擇其中一個提案為主案的方式處理第三 主題案委員不在場的提案原則上不予處理謝謝各位 現在進行審查首先並案處理第一至第二案請公安局說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
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主席 各位委員國安局報告處理情形第一案至第二案併案提案委員 軍委王安祥委員已致委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料建請委員同意併案凍結兩百萬元提出書面報告後時的動之 |
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3036.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3038.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
那接下來我們處理第3456案請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3065.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3082.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
第三案至第六案並案提案委員為王安祥委員以致委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料其中第四案已獲委員同意改列主決議第三案、第五案及第六案建請委員同意並案凍結兩百萬元提出書面報告後時得凍結 |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3100.698 |
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好 謝謝王委員投議好 3 5 6 案並案那 凍結兩百萬元書面報告後時的凍值第四案改組決議那我們接下來處理第七案到第九案第七案至第九案提案委員為黃建斌委員等三位 |
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3101.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3120.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
好 王建平委員不在不予處理第八案 牛喜廷委員 牛喜廷委員不在不予處理陳俊宇委員第九案 陳俊宇委員不在不予處理我們接下來第十案 三五六案 主案為第三案接下來處理第十案 請說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3134.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
第十案至十一案並案提案委員為馬文君委員及徐巧行委員以致委員辦公室說明或提供資料建請委員同意十至十一案並案簡列一百萬元科目自行調整並免於凍結好我們請馬委員 |
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同意 因為這個大概也是標語款不過我們看到國安局每年的房屋修繕好像都不夠那它到底是怎麼樣編列的這一個部分也可能要去考量就全班的考量一下好 謝謝馬委員那請依照這個建議來去協助同意簡列為100萬元以第十案為主案科目字條嗎好接下來處理第十二案請說明 |
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3166.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3180.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
第十二案提案委員為馬文君委員以致委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料建請委員同意本案簡列一百萬元科目自行調整好同意好同意第十二案簡列一百萬元科目自行調整第十三案請說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
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第十三案至十八案並案提案委員為黃人委員等五位以分別至各委員辦公室說明或提供素面資料其中第十三案以獲黃人委員同意改列主決議第十四案建請羅美玲委員能夠同意改列主決議第十五案至十八案建請同意並案簡列十萬元科目自行調整並免於凍結那羅委員然後再來黃委員 |
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好第14案 14 15 16 17 18其實內容是差不多的那我可以同意改為主決議可是我還是要提一下像目前我知道之前有來說明因為國安局說我們的這一個 |
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制服的這個汰換式四年四年循環的方式可是這個可以說明一下嗎所謂四年循環是什麼意思因為你們其實有操作服訓練服還有鞋子那個是怎麼樣的一個方式是今年今年是採購鞋子明年是採購操作服後年是這樣子的方式嗎我想了解一下你們是怎麼樣的這個 |
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這個操作模式我們請特勤中心跟委員說明一下特勤中心說明那因為我們的服裝大概就是定額兩萬多元那它的話我們就會分年度四年那會分可能會今年是以西服採購勤務服裝戰鬥服裝或者是什麼因為我們的所有的裝備服飾是從頭到腳 |
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因此我們並不是每一年都採購相同的裝備是會有所不同跟變化然後我們會配合不同的利益場所來做調配所以因此我們建議請委員能夠支持我們的預算 |
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我剛剛有提到了我可以同意這個改為主決議可是我還是想要了解一下狀況那我就覺得說像之前像警政署警政署它是每一年它都是會每一年它都會定期的會採購鞋子制服等等每一年都這樣子配送結果後來明明去年的鞋子還沒壞今年它又送來了 |
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造成有些警察人員他就是在家裡堆積如山那甚至我們還發現還有人呢就拿到網上去做拍賣或者是分送給這個親朋好友那當然我也不太希望國安局會有出現這樣子的狀況所以警察署之前在本席的要求之下他們現在已經有改了比如說他每一年其實他就會問就是給一些問卷啊可能說你今年你的個人需求是什麼 |
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對,他會按照個人然後呢去做這個服裝或鞋子的這個配送對,但我們也不希望出國外去,但金額不是很多啦那還有我有看到就是說像本來我們的這個特勤服裝預算我們都有304元的規模來做BS |
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實際上我們的人數沒有那麼多實際上只是250到278人之間我也看到其他會員也提到說這個好像有超編那這個人數其實是有落差的這是第一點那再來還有我們配送的方式能不能更加的實際一點不是說你明明不需要這個鞋子可是我今年又收到這個鞋子我明明需要的是其他的服裝的配置可是你今年卻沒有給我 |
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好像聽起來好像說我們今年可能就是固定我今年可能就是鞋子我可能今年全部都是鞋子我管你我不管你有沒有需要反正我今年就是配給你鞋子那明年我可能是其他的服裝那我也不會我沒去了解說我到底你需不需要這個服裝你的服裝可能還好好的可是我一樣配給你我覺得這樣子的方式就不太對可以參考一下警政署啦 |
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那國防部做得更加實際,可是國防部因為他人數很多,他在各個縣市其實他有這個所謂的服裝的這個,你可以自行去採購,他給你一個類似卡,給你一個額度卡,那你可以自由去採購,可是一國防部他是全國性的,人數也比較多,因為你們人數比較少,兩百多人,所以參考一下這個警政署的做法啦。 |
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對 包委員那第一個話人數的部分主要是因為我們現在人員每一年新進人員的貨補都不一樣如果今天我們把這個原本預算人員把它給調整的話怕到時候如果人員進來比較多會有服裝支應的問題所以我們才會盡量維持但是包委員我們每一年都是熬時就是說它實際上有執行特勤它才會領到這個服裝 |
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沒有製作的我們都是依規定完成就是繳回所以並沒有這個福報的一個狀況那另外的話我們本來就是會依照服裝的損耗程度我們來採購今年的新品你們會事先做調查嗎對對對我們每一年都有做調查就是說我們會針對我們實際上的需求包含不同的安危對象他平常的一個狀況那他的服裝需求也會不一樣我們會來跟他們做調整就不會發生這個委員 |
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我是比較擔心說其實有些人當然可能他會耗損的速度會比較快有些是比較慢也許他根本還不需要可是我們一樣配給他這個我們會減少因為我們這個會調查我們事實上都有做今天也開始有採取新的做法就是說讓同仁可以拿提貨券看他到底需要的是什麼然後到那個門市去提領他需要的東西我覺得這個方式可以來試試看我們開始再示範好 這個我同意改成主決議謝謝委員 |
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黃委員當然我可以理解到國安局特警人員的服裝製作費是依據編組的原額而不是實際的一個原額當然本席可以理解不過現在已經是年終了國安局應該是在大致掌握今年實際的人數這樣的話才可以很清楚 |
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所以我這邊是針對第16案這個併案檢列10萬塊好謝謝那我們來宣告從13案的話不好意思我們確認一下13案改組決議第14案改組決議第15、16、17、18案檢列10萬元科目字條那以第15案到18案以第16案為主案 |
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好接下來我們19案到23案是並案處理請第19案黃金輝委員不在不予處理第20案林楚英委員林楚英委員不在不予處理抱歉抱歉剛剛那個王委員有擋到我沒看到不好意思請說明第20案 |
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十九案至二十三案並案以至委員辦公室說明其中二十一案王一川委員以及二十二案陳永康委員均同意照列那有關二十案及二十三案建請提案委員能支持同意照列請您委員 |
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你們要不要針對我的這個提問再說明一下因為一百一十四年度的時候跟針對這個輪胎的部分編列的預算是八百五十一萬八千元那麼其實高達四百二十五萬四千元是用於汰換兩輛的警備車一共八個輪胎對不對但是你們一百一十五年度編列的養護費用是一千兩百七十萬四千元 |
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那麼對比這個一百一十四年的八千五百八百五十一萬八千元是增加了四千多萬但是你們其實沒有特別的去做這樣的一個說明你們要不要現場再說明一下到底原因跟漲幅到底為什麼會這麼高好 我們請那個特勤中心說明一下是 委員好 我是特勤中心那我們這邊說明主要是因為在今年它整個原物料整個上漲因為它石油現在已經漲到 |
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110萬美元所以說他現在的這個整個整個數字啊他提高也會影響到輪胎的價格那防彈的輪胎啊他的價格本來就高所以這個都是有經過仿商確認之後並不是說福報那主要是因為原物料真的漲太多 |
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其實我都完全支持你們的需求或需要尤其現在已經到了這個就是六月份了但是我還是要提到單顆輪胎的帳幅如果高達46%的時候照理說其他的單位應該也會有這麼高的帳幅啦 |
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是不是其他的單位沒有需要因為我們這個防彈輪胎它跟一般輪胎不一樣它的材質跟它的那個都不一樣所以它的價格是真的沒有辦法跟一般的輪胎來做對比 |
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好啦我同意讓你們照列安全是很重要但是未來在這個部分我希望還是有一個清楚的說明不然的話單顆輪胎漲了將近50%這個誰來看預算都會覺得這個漲幅太高謝謝委員好謝謝林委員那第20案照列第21案照列第22案照列第23案議委員不在不予處理第24案到35案請說明 |
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二十四案至三十五案併案提案委員為馬文君委員等十位以分別自各委員辦公室說明或提供書面資料其中第二十六案以獲王逸川委員同意改列組決議第二十四案二十五案二十七至三十五案建請提案委員同意併案簡列一百萬元科目字型調整並凍結五百萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資 |
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好 謝謝 那請提案委員說明 馬委員 |
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大概27案的部分因為這裡大概有一些修繕的工程那這一次凍結的主要原因是因為我們看到這個退勤中心這個排水系統要改善的部分那看起來其實損壞是還蠻嚴重的就是說它對地下室可能也會造成漏水然後影響地下室的一個狀況 |
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可是我們看到現在要做的好像就是把表面改善而已那事實上他如果說下面會漏水表示他的那個基礎還有他的排水系統的那個底部應該都有影響了那應該要去考慮一下因為既然預算要用了我們希望他是可以一併的就是可以根本的解決這樣的問題那不要說只有把改 |
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好像表面做好那下面的漏水還是會發生它這部分有涉及到地盤的改善還有一些灌漿的工程我們再請特勤再詳細說明一下因為它基礎可能要考慮這個就是你們要要求一下在設計的部分要根本解決 |
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是 各位好 我是特勤通訊那跟您再做一次說明就是說我們在這次的防水抓漏除了在現場混泥土的交織工法我們會採用現場鑄造來確定它的密合度並且我們會沿建物周邊來更新排水設施那也會修復地下樓受損的壁面跟管線填縫那我們先有效的根治漏水問題以避免相關的所以它其實 |
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裡面的公主我們這邊其實還蠻多的因此才會編列這相關預算建請委員這邊來做支持統一凍結500好 謝謝那我們接下來來宣告一下第24、25、27案24、25 |
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二十四、二十五、二十七至三十五案以二十七案為主案檢列一百萬元科目字條凍結五百萬書面報告後經同意時的凍資第二十六案改組決議 |
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那接下來除以第有 併進去了併進去了 是2G到3G我已經併了好來 第36案是不是請說明第36案提案委員馬以為林楚英委員以自委員辦公室說明建請委員同意照列林委員可以嗎我建議就是改成這個預算照列但是改成組決議啦好 那我就就這樣好 那改組決議 謝謝 |
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第三十七到三十八案請說明三十七案至三十八案並案提案委員均為王安祥委員以致委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料這兩案均與或提案委員同意分別改列主決議好 謝謝王委員這個都是這一次跟那個出訪有關係我希望有一些說明跟檢討跟同意改成主決議第三十七案跟第三十八案同意改成主決議第三十九案請說明 |
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三十九案為馬文君委員提案以自委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料建請委員同意 免於檢列並改為凍結五百萬元提出書面報告後 使得凍資好 馬委員好 謝謝這裡面牽涉的大概有四項工程整修的部分那我們現在也還是請在運用的時候應該看起來有些還不錯狀況的 |
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就應該可以 天花板看起來都還好可是他如果其他可能需要徹底去解決的這些相關的應該要整修的部分我們希望他還是可以周全一點好 希望周全處理那就同意名譽檢列改為共解五百萬元書面報告後要同意嗎就直接通知 書面報告後通知好 謝謝第四十字第四十五案 |
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好 謝謝 請問黃委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
既然機關說明了這個現有設備無法滿足資安規範但是舊版的一個虛擬桌面也有停止安全更新的一個漏洞風險所以我們理解設備汰換有其必要性不過針對這個新設備的後續的維護規劃以汰換必要性 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
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提出更詳細的一個說明好不好所以本席這邊有提到簡列五十萬凍結五百萬那請王委員好主席謝謝針對四十八案的部分因為這個金額主要是要買發電機那還沒還沒有現在四十到四十五萬現在是四十到四十五萬好王定宇委員 |
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4138.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
4164.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
我看起來你們這是要投資做那個VDI嘛那VDI當然它有優點啦那個資料可以不用落地但VDI還是端點對端點所以它還是取得端點的這一些授權的話它其實還是可以弄到這些資料啦所以我是著動啦我只是想了解你們投資一千萬在建構VDI應該是更新原來舊版的對不對 |
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還是全部換新的安座講一下你們是更新舊版的VDI還是就是把它upgrade還是整個把它replace包委員是整個太換掉是太換掉嘛是因為現行的架構原廠他不再提供因為VDI還是有一些資安的就有辦法去把你打破掉嘛所以你現在是一千萬做VDI是然後八百萬做防火牆是 |
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OK 因為這個是很高度專業的東西貴可以貴到非常貴但是效果的話我是建議說這個牽涉到你們因為你們是國家的情報單位你們這個虛擬桌面的系統防火牆的裝備端點的自然保護 |
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可能還是要有一些說明更詳細讓我們知道我才能去問說你們做的夠不夠我單純看一千萬跟八百萬我根本無法判斷這個錢用在哪裡夠或不夠我也是要問資安專家才能幫你們我們講監督Check and Balance去監督你們這個資安的支出有沒有花到對的地方所以 |
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看大家共識怎麼樣啦我的目的不是要刪你們或動你們我是希望了解你們在資安這一塊做了什麼樣的投資而這個投資是不是對的方向那跟政府其他的資安辦啊什麼有沒有焊隔的地方我說要再了解這個好不好如果有報告的話把這個涵蓋在裡面是好 謝謝謝謝委員那我們第41案改組決議喔那這時即42到45 |
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那就是以45萬王定義委員的為主案那就是檢列50萬科目字條 凍結500萬書面統一書面報告經統一以後嗎 還是書面報告後時的動之好 如果沒有意見就是書面報告後時的動之好 謝謝主席 |
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謝謝那我們接下來第46到45案並案處理那請說明46案至55案並案提案委員為林楚英委員等8位均以分別至各委員辦公室說明並提供資料其中第47案53案及55案均以分別獲委員同意改列組決議 |
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其餘第46案、48至52案以及第54案建請委員同意併案檢列100萬元科目自行調整,避免與凍結好,請黃委員構設必要性及需求的一個評估齁那我提出一個三點第一個是目前國安局具有備用電力系統配置的一個情況為何是否已出現設備的一個老舊那 |
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容量不足以貨故障率偏高等等的一個問題那第二個是本次新增採購兩台的柴油發電機之主要的用途為何那為什麼這個汰換舊期貨 |
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新增備援的容量第三,近五年是否發生過停電供電的異常或備援設備失效的狀況對作業執行造成什麼樣的影響 |
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所以這個也是為什麼要檢列一百萬的因素那第四是,是否完成用電負載分析幾倍遠的需求的一個評估以確認設備規格符合實際的需求所以這個部分還是請國安局審慎的一個評估因為供電的穩定跟韌性我們很重視那委員剛剛有提到幾個問題我請總務事簡單跟我們報告一下,重點 |
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我是從事主任跟委員報告一下因為我們對於電力韌性我們非常非常的重視我們5月30號就前兩天我們才針對局裡面的用電備援的狀況做了一個演練我們在現在目前一年做四次大概每季我們都會做一次整個用電的緊急停電的時候我們怎麼樣把備援把它拉過來這五年當初有沒有發生過一點 |
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台電都有停電那我們都能夠很快的把它補充上來所以說我們才會做這個我們馬上就可以馬上就可以接上來這個備援系統而且它這個可以持續一次就可以持續大概運作八個小時六到八個小時沒有問題然後我們整個油槽裡面的話可以預計可以百七十五個小時都沒有問題 |
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我也是對你們這個備用的柴油發電機有一些疑問跟興趣當然你們不能斷電嘛所以電停工之後呢你們的柴油發電機拉上來那這有兩個概念一個是瞬間的電壓不穩 |
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資料會流失或怎麼樣子類似不斷電系統它是在補那個壓力不穩定的另外一種是整個替代掉的那這兩個它的瞬間輸出的power的不太一樣所以我第一個好奇要請問的是你們這一個柴油發電機 |
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是兩個功能都有就是類似不斷電系統UPS系統它的那個壓力一不穩一不穩像在高科技業跟諮詢業這電壓一不穩那個資料就會受損有沒有涵蓋這個功能還是只是單純沒電了像點蠟燭的功用就把它送上來這第一個提問第二個畢竟我們國安局包含我們的特勤中心都有安全的考量 |
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那傳統的柴油發電機只要一打開那個地方就變紅通通的熱源溫度非常高那形成熱源之後呢在特殊狀況下就容易被標定了 |
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所以現在有人主張是認為說應該用比如說氫燃料電池氫燃料電池的話它一樣是像發電機那現在技術也比較成熟了像我們台南前一次那個颱風就有7-11就是直接有人供應氫燃料電池的發電機讓它供電20小時供電那它的溫升效應就在溫度的差異性就不高 |
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所以用熱源來探測的時候就不會突然間出現一個熱番薯容易被標定我不知道國安局有沒有去考慮在特殊的場域 特殊的點我只要想辦法讓你停電你一打開我就知道你的能源在哪裡了一個紅點在那裡 那溫度會升很高所以在特殊 保護特殊的對象 |
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或者我們裡面有特殊機敏的東西在特殊的場域你們這一個發電機有沒有考慮到這個溫度提升就溫升效應的部分我兩個提問請我試著回答好不好那個說明一下總務這邊是維浩國安局總部室報告 |
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您考慮到兩個問題其實我覺得我們都有在思考第一個針對緊急發電機的部分現在我們會有採取三重的做法第一個是我們有雙式電那其次呢在機房部分我們都有設有不斷電系統也就是在瞬間斷電的時候不斷電系統會即時不斷電系統會起來UPS一起來之後呢我們接續ATS切過去之後我們的緊急發電機也會啟動那緊急發電機啟動是維持一個持續性的供電那緊急發電機現在我們目前為止的規劃是採取 |
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並聯系統也說目前為止我們也考慮到未來的這個持續性發展那只要有夠的話那我們希望採取是並聯之後可以讓整個負載可以滿足我們24小時的維運那其實您剛提到說針對緊急發電機可能會產生熱源的部分 |
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这部分我们也在持续在研究是说未来是不是针对有除能系统或者是采取用其他替代的方案来进行那因为我们现在营区腹地比较狭小那我们目前的紧急放弃放的位置基本上大概都是可以维持一个良好通风跟排气的状况那只是说这个针对热源部分可能我们需要做一个审慎研议谢谢委员关心 |
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我提个建议就是紧急发电机的除油槽因为我们都是以消防安全法来要求其实这个可以以政府的安全机制这个可以解套因为你的日用油柜是很有限的如果试电的电网供电超过24小时不能恢复那你的油就不够了 |
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所以你这个要持续那另外如果要持续发电那你还考虑到要冷却水因为我们在船上发电机是用海水冷却所以没有高温的问题这两个我跟政府的机关都提出建议不能用一般民间的这个大楼底下就是说你的日用油柜大概给12小时 |
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现在三军总医院才36小时平常出游才18小时所以你可以修法内部修法规然后在附近的地下做一个游潮那这样子你的时间就可以持续因为绝对在暂时不会48小时事件可以恢复这不太可能的 |
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因為這次買這個發電機主要是舉本部跟科技中心都要買才有發電機而且都是兩台那我們看到這個低瓦數的報價反而比高瓦數的還要高這可能就是一個是買國產的一個是買歐美的 |
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所以我們在想因為我們一直說因為發電機不是很厲害或者怎麼樣的一個設備所以如果說我們國產可以的話因為未來不管你要怎麼樣包括維修或什麼其實大家可以去考量 |
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符合我們的需求因為你一樣是要買那兩個的報價不一樣也是很奇怪還是希望說就這個部分在未來它的維修保養各方面其實都也一併要考量進去好謝謝謝謝馬偉那我們來做個宣告475355案改組決議46案及48到52案及54案檢列100萬元科目字條以第49案為主案 |
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接下來我們注意五十六到五十七案五十六案至五十七案並案提案委員為陳俊銀委員及羅美玲委員以分別自委辦公室說明建勤委員同意照列那第五十八案第五十八案提案委員為羅美玲委員以自委員辦公室說明建勤委員同意照列好照列那第五十九案到六十案五十九案至六十案並案 |
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提案委員為馬文君委員及林楚瑩委員以分別自委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料建請委員同意並按凍結兩百萬元免於檢列提出書面報告後時得凍資好那59案之60案凍結兩百萬元提出書面報告後時得凍資這裡沒有問題啦因為這本來就是紀律的問題對 |
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好 謝謝林委員那主案為第六十案為林楚英委員當主案那第六十一案到六十二案請說明六十一案至六十二案並案提案委員為馬文君委員及黃仁委員以分別至委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料見請委員同意照列好 六十一案六十二案並六十一案處理然後同意照列第六十三案到第六十四案請說明 |
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六十三案至六十四案並案提案委員為武力華委員及馬文君委員以分別自委員辦公室說明並提供書面資料其中第六十三案以獲提案委員同意改列主決議第六十四案建勤委員同意減列五十萬元科目自行調整並免於凍結 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
4905.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
第63案同意改略主決議第64案檢列50萬元免於凍結科目字條第65案請說明第65案提案委員為黃磷委員以致委員辦公室說明以獲委員同意改略主決議第66案到67案66案67案併案 |
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4915.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
以致FTA委員委員馬文君委員以致委員辦公室說明見請委員同意照列66案之67案66案並案同意照列68案之69案請說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
4948.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
六十八案至六十九案併案 六十八案菊曉欣委員不在不予處理 六十九案黃恩委員不在不予處理第七十案請說明主決議 主決議 已經開始主決議主決議 已經開始主決議OK好 持續處理這個 嗯 主決議的部分齁那如果機關對該主決議沒有意見就直接回覆遵照報你即可若有意見的話請具體說明修正文字然後供委員討論 現在處理主決議第七十案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
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第七十案文字修正修正內容報告如下其中文字內容應包含一、即時監測及預警能力二、AI深微及假錯訊息之辨識能力與實效性三、溯源以境外介入樣態分析能力四、跨機關通報機制我的是第一 |
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那文字修正後通過第七十一案 遵照辦理照案通過第七十二案 遵照辦理照案通過七十三案 遵照辦理照案通過七十四案 遵照辦理照案通過七十五案 遵照辦理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
5012.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
遭案通過第76案 遵照辦理遭案通過第77案 遵照辦理遭案通過第78案 遵照辦理第79案 遵照辦理第78案補宣告遭案通過第79案遭案通過第80案 遵照辦理遭案通過第81案 遵照辦理遭案通過第82案 遵照辦理遭案通過第84案 遵照辦理遭案通過第85案 遵照辦理遭案通過第86案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5022.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
已獲提案委員沈博安委員同意修正部分文字修正內容報告如下 |
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5023.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5046.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
國安局業已統合國安情報團隊成立專案其透過專案平台防制中共借選陰謀文字修正後通過接下來第87案遵照辦理照案通過第88案以獲林楚英委員同意修正部分文字修正內容報告如下 |
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5047.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5072.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
激催系屬公文處理預期及或即將借其之救濟提醒手段不宜將激催次數作為行政績效之衡量指標以上好修正後通過89案請說遵照辦理好 照案通過第90案遵照辦理第91案抱歉90案補宣告照案通過第91案 |
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5074.072 |
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5091.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
91案已獲陳冠廷委員同意修正部分文字修正內容報告如下第一段部分文字修正為查資訊服務費於115年度編列2147萬4千元辦理科技中心空間地理資訊系統維護等等一下我看一下是我知道我知道是 |
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5112.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5128.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
我想要特別再講一下因為這個主角我是希望說國安局可以跟民間的力量來去思考一下怎麼樣去集結力量那之前我們在諮詢的時候也特別提到烏克蘭的BRAVE1的這個平台系統也就是說他們可以很快速的偵案然後並且很快速的把 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
5129.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5151.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
一些公開的情資整合到他們軍中的情資那我覺得重點不是採購什麼武器跟服務而是你整怎麼樣的採購過程可以讓你快速得到這樣的資訊服務並且怎麼樣整合現在的公開資訊因為公開資訊有的時候比我們自己的現在的這個得到的資訊還快還多好第91案修正通過第92案 |
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5178.656 |
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遵照辦理 遭案通過第93案遵照辦理 遭案通過第94案遵照辦理 遭案通過第95案遵照辦理 遭案通過第96案96案以獲羅美林委員同意修正部分文字而文字修正後刪除認知作戰監測等文字修正後通過第97案97案以獲羅美林委員同意修正部分文字 |
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5179.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5198.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
報告如下第一部分與其餘具高度資安疑慮之中字APP增加如高德地圖等文字第二部分文字修正為就具高度資安疑慮之中字APP高德地圖是否已涉及國家安全風險及未來是否採取限制或禁用措施鄉村後院通過第98案 |
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5206.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5224.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
第98案以霍羅美林委員同意修正部分文字修正後刪除會同相關部會及跨部會等文字修正後通過接下來還有新增的主決議請議事人員宣讀 |
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5226.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5249.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
第98至1案國家安全局去年4月經監察院糾正處請國家安全局針對108年至112年間辦理防彈配備採購案確實檢討防彈配備採購案之驗收作業請國家安全局一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員王安祥等人第98至2案 |
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5252.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5258.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
115年度國家安全局預算案第二幕情報行政項下行政管理中雜項設備費編列預算8315萬5000元為相關設備汰換及購置之效益評估是否合乎實際需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
5267.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5282.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
請國家安全局於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員 牛許廷等人98資産案115年度國家安全局預算案第二幕請報行政項下業務費至一般事務費編列660 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
5284.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5297.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
六千六百七十萬七千元國家安全局近五年均有眾多志願役士並提前離營請國家安全局於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人為黃仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5299.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5304.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
第九十八支試案特勤中心地盤改良低壓灌漿工程案第一階段款編列一千兩百萬元且規劃連續編列三年總金額高達五千五百萬元為查國安局預算書內對特勤中心地盤現況施作必要性及工程項目均為提出充分說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
5319.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5348.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
原請國家安全局於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員王逸川等人第九十八支五案本次賴總統出訪史瓦第寧蔡局長明晏曾前往史瓦第寧採點為由國家安全局局長簽附當地進行相關採點是否具有必要性對於國家元首安全究竟有無實質意義請國家安全局一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出總統出訪史瓦第寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
5349.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5350.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
國安評估檢討報告 提案人委員王安祥等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
5354.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5359.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
第98-6案本次總統乘坐史瓦帝尼專機A340-300客機之計劃是否有可能在4月22日之前提早實施以化解中共對我方之刁難又該客機上至機師安全查核如何執行該客機如何聯絡恆山指揮所未來出訪友邦是否皆會循該機制請國家安全局於一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出總統出訪史瓦帝尼飛行安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
5384.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
5402.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
評估檢討報告提案人委員王安祥等人第九十八支期案一百一十五年度國家安全局預算案第二幕一般情報行政向下設備及投資資資訊軟硬體設備費編列三千四百二十四萬五千元微查國安局於預算書內對本案辦理原油設備採購項目內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
5404.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
5426.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
治安防護目標及預計達成成果 軍委提出充分之說明請國家安全局於3個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員王逸川等人第九十八至八一百一十五年度國家安全局預算案情報行政項下行政管理中設備費之雜項設備費編列八千三百一十五萬五千元違法國家安全局預算書內對本案柴油發電車規格廠房 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
5431.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
5445.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
廠牌需求低壓動力線太過範圍及各項費用明信軍委提出書面說明請國家安全局三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員王逸川等人第九十八之九案 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
5446.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
5459.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
國家安全局預算案第二幕情報行政向下行政管理雜項設備費特勤中心各類雜項設備費編列457萬5千元其中偵檢及勤務計時裝備太過215萬元為避免高單價設備重複投資或低度使用請國家安全局於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人98支食案 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
5475.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
5504.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
國家安全局辦理防彈配備採購案監察監察院報告指出發生廠商未預約檢附運送證明檢測報告內容異常及書面文件日期不合理等重大違失為促使該局確實落實三階段驗收機制以強化採購機率請國家安全局於一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員沈博洋等人第九十八之十一案國家安全局預算案第二幕情報行政向下情報教育訓練中 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
5506.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
5525.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
雜項設備費編列特勤中心各類訓練用雜項設備太過另相關器材太過年限現有設備使用狀況及收費評估未見說明是否符合經濟效益及實際需求擁有檢討之空間請國家安全局於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
5526.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
5549.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
第98-12案,警察特勤人员服装含勤务皮鞋,长期采固定周期办理采购,但相关作业并未建立,以实际态患需求服装寿命与耗损程度为基础之评估机制,恐形成例行性采购凌驾实质需求之情况,不符合尊洁原则,请国家安全局三个月内向立法院外交及国防委员会 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
5550.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
5566.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
提出書面報告提案人委員盧美寧等人第九十八支十三案國家安全局一百一十四年度施政績效其中提升主計業務效能妥善整體資源配置向下關鍵績效指標強化內部審核機制其衡量標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
5567.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
5581.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
辦理內部審核實地查查單位次數於去年上半年僅執行39.39%目標達成情形有待加強請國家安全局於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員林楚英等人宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
5588.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
5590.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
5607.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
5615.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
98-8案請再說 遵照辦理 招案通過98-9案 遵照辦理 招案通過98-10案 遵照辦理 招案通過98-11案 遵照辦理 招案通過98-12案 遵照辦理 招案通過98-13案 遵照辦理 招案通過好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
5621.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
5646.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那謝謝各位委員跟官員115年度中央政府總預算關於國家安全局主管授之公開及機密部分已經處理完略送請財政委員會會長後提報院會請問院會審議之前是否要交由黨團協商沒有保留的不用好謝謝院會審議時推派一位委員做補充說明請推派 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
5662.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
請推牌好謝謝謝謝委員那就由我來去做這個說明本次預算審查如果有預算科目金額或文字文字請授權議事人員調整6月1號6月3號及6月4號為三天一支會謝謝各位現在散會 |