| IVOD_ID |
17487 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17487 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T08:35:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T12:31:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:55:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbe66ab847b1d2194e7ee42f9729c6abfd807a15c9b87617152550dd3429406bed5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、 繼續審查：
(一) 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「土石採取法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員黃仁等36人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等21人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員賴瑞隆等19人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員許智傑等31人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員柯志恩等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 本院委員丁學忠等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第四十一條條文修正草案」案。
二、 審查：
(十一) 行政院函請審議「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十二) 本院委員林倩綺等17人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(十三) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十四) 本院委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十五) 本院委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十六) 本院委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(第十五及第十六案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【6月3日及6月4日二天一次會】） |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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by bwd6 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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好 會議開始我們請這個組密報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員10人 已組法定人數好 我們現在開會 進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議意思錄 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期經紀委員會第15次全體委員會議事錄時間115年5月7日星期三上午9時至12時13分115年5月28日星期四上午9時至13時40分地點紅樓101會議室出席人陳廷飛等14人列席人林思明等8人列席官員115年5月7日星期三國家發展委員會主任委員葉俊賢等115年 |
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五月二十八日星期四文貴部部長陳俊記等主席召集委員邱志偉一百一十五年五月七日星期三 |
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一百二十三万三千元赵列第四款财政收入第十一项国家发展委员会八百零一万五千元赵列第十二项党管理局一百八十八万元赵列第一款营业营业及失业收入第一项行政案第二幕非营业特种基金剩余缴户一百亿元赵列是所属非营业特种基金审议决确定在行调整 |
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第七款 其他收入第十一項 國家發展委員會 三十五萬一千元 照列第十二項 檔案管理局 二十一萬九千元 照列二 稅務部份第二款 行政主管第六項 國家發展委員會 三十六億 六百八十萬一千元除第十二目 非營利特種基金 九億元 正照列 |
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4.所屬非營業特種基金審議確定債刑調整外7億金照列本項通過決議71項第7項 檔案管理局5億7,852萬2千元照列本項通過決議9項3. |
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有關正式別稅出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整2. |
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繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於行政院主管行政院國家發展基金離島建設基金花東地區永續發展基金及促進轉型正義基金決議 |
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甲 行政主管一 作業基金行政國家發展基金一 業務計劃一 運鏡業務收支轉投資固定資產之建設改良擴充及資金運用等向之審查結果隨當調整二 業務收支一 業務總收入3711753萬8千億元照列二 業務總支出79億9千194萬6千元照列三 本期剩餘290億2559萬2千元照列三 街角公庫金額100億元照列 |
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4.轉投資計畫無劣數5.固定資產建設改良擴充3586萬5千元造劣6.國庫中波基金有無劣數7.通過決議19項2.特別收入基金離島建設基金 |
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1.基金來源與用途審查結果隨同調整2.基金來源用途及輿促1.基金來源91121萬7千元炸裂2.基金來源911716萬3千元炸裂3.本期短處54萬6千元炸裂4.街角公庫無劣數5.通過決議兩項 |
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3.特別收入基金,環境地區永續發展基金,依業務計劃,依依據基金來源與用途審查結果水平調整2.基金來源用途給予處,依基金來源600萬元照列2.基金用途29億4208萬8千元照列3.本期短處29億3600萬8千元照列3.結繳公庫無劣數4.通過決議兩項 |
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4.特別收入基金促進轉型正義基金1.優惠計畫因應基金來源與用途審查結果遂當調整2.基金來源用途及益處1.基金來源7,583萬元造列2.基金用途1億8,648萬6千元造列3.本期短處1億1,065萬6千元造列3.節繳空庫劣數4.通過決議三項 |
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1770.648 |
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115年5月18日星期四討論事項1.繼續審查1.115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分2.115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款農業部主管第一幕農業部第二幕林業及自然保育署及所屬第三幕農村發展及水土保持署及所屬第四幕漁業署及所屬第五幕動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬第六幕農糧署及所屬第七幕農田水利署部分預算 |
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1771.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1778.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
決議一稅率一部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第158項農業部252萬元遭獵第159項林業及自然保育署及所屬2815萬元155千元遭獵106項 |
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1787.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1795.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
第106項農村發展及收入保持暑期所屬1735萬元照列第161項農業適用所及所屬40萬元照列第162項林業適用所35萬元照列第163項水產適用所24萬元照列第164項蓄產適用所及所屬128000元照列第165項 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
1807.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1822.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
农业药物试验所无略述第166项生物多样性研究所4000元照列第167项茶几饮药作物改良厂15000元照列第168项种药改良繁殖场3万元照列第169项台湾区农业改良厂 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1823.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1831.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
第17170項苗栗區農業改良廠第171項台中區農業改良廠第172項台中區農業改良廠第173項高雄區農業改良廠均無劣數第174項花園區農業改良廠一萬元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1838.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1846.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
第175項台東區農業改房廠無劣數第176項漁業署及所屬2694萬7千元照列第177項動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬6166千元照列第178項農業金融署100萬元照列第179項農糧署及所屬16萬元照列第180項農田水利署10萬元照列第181項農業科技園區管理中心無劣數第三款歸類收入第128項 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1866.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1874.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
農業部4,536萬1千人照列 第129項農業林業及自然保育署及所屬2千萬人照列 第130項農村發展及水土保持署及所屬540萬人照列 第131項農業實驗所及所屬597萬5千人照列 第132項林業實驗所8萬人照列 第133項水產實驗所140萬人照列 第134項收益研究所3,056萬4千人照列 第135項 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1894.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1910.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
農業藥物試驗所4909萬6千元照列 第136項生物多樣性研究所90萬元照列 第137項茶集營藥作物改良廠2萬5千元照列 第138項種苗改良繁殖廠150萬元照列 第139項台灣區農業改良廠20萬元照列 第140項農地區農業改良廠32萬5千元照列 第141項 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1915.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1922.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
台中區農業改良廠20萬人招列第142項台中區農業改良廠20萬人招列第143項高雄區農業改良廠20萬人招列第144項華人區農業改良廠8萬人招列第145項台中區農業改良廠8萬人招列第146項漁業署及所屬3,246萬2千人招列第147項 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1937.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1946.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
動植物防疫檢疫署籍所屬335998千元照列第148項農業金融署411千元照列第149項農農署籍所屬6446千元照列第150項農林水利署500萬元照列第4款採選收入第170項農業部2479萬元照列第171項民業及自然保育署籍所屬24686萬4千元照列第172項農村發展及水土保持署籍所屬38萬元照列第173項 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1967.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1968.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
農業試驗所及所屬104萬6千元遭獵第174項民藝業試驗所275萬5千元遭獵第175項學產試驗所322萬6千元遭獵 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1979.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1998.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
第176項 蓄產試驗所及所屬167萬4千元照列第177項 收益研究所35萬4千元照列第178項 農業藥物試驗所20萬元照列第179項 生物動態研究所4萬2千元照列第180項 茶集飲料作物改良廠11萬3千元照列第181項 總要改良 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1998.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2007.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
繁殖場10萬人照列第182項 臺灣區農業改良廠28萬人照列第183項 農業區農業改良廠8萬人照列第184項 臺中區農業改良廠16萬1千人照列第185項 臺中區農業改良廠55萬2千人照列第186項 高雄區農業改良廠2萬人照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2018.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2028.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
第87項 花園區農業改良廠9萬元 照列第188項 台東區農業改良廠2萬元 照列第189項 漁業署及所屬9,415萬3千元 照列第190項 動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬164萬3千元 照列第191項 農業機農署8萬3千元 照列第192項 農糧署及所屬351萬5千元 照列第193項 農林水利署 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2040.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2048.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
無劣數 第194項 農業科技園區管理中心 無劣數 第5款營業營業及事業收入 第10項 農業部417609萬3千元障礙第7款 其他收入 農業部5870萬1千元障礙 第168項 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2056.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2062.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
林業及智能保育署及所屬9832萬1千人遭獵第169項農村發展及水土保持署及所屬760萬元遭獵第170項農業試驗所及所屬990萬5千人遭獵第171項林業試驗所588萬3千人遭獵第172項水產試驗所1318萬3千人遭獵第173項蓄產試驗所及所屬494萬4千人遭獵第174項 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2079.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2088.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
收益研究所1451萬1千人招列第175項農業藥物試驗所167萬5千人招列第176項生物多樣性研究所107萬6千人招列第177項茶集飲料作物改良場505萬5千人招列第178項種苗改良繁殖場62萬5千人招列第179項達人區農業改良場189萬4千人招列第180項 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2102.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2115.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
苗栗區農業改良廠992,000人召列第181項台東區農業改良廠495,000人召列第182項台南區農業改良廠3141,000人召列第183項高雄區農業改良廠261,300人召列第184項花園區農業改良廠565,000人召列第185項台東區農業改良廠104,300人召列第186項漁業暑期所屬2,245,300人召列第187項 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2132.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2150.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
動物植物防疫檢驗署及所屬129,000人召列 第88項農業金融署無列數 第189項農糧署及所屬1,018萬人召列 第190項農田水利署30萬人召列 第191項農業科技園區管理中心無列數 二 稅務部分第16款農業部主管 第1項農業部1,146億4915萬2千人召列 本項通過決議127項 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2156.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2161.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
第二項 林業及自然保育署及所屬105億3394萬3千人遭獵本項通過決議30項第三項 農村發展及水土保持署及所屬104億844萬5千人遭獵本項通過決議17項第四項 農業實驗所 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2171.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2172.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
第五項第六項第七項 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2193.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2207.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
農業藥物試驗所7億4592萬5千人招列本項通過決議兩項第十項食物多樣性研究所2億8851萬5千人招列第十一項茶集飲料出入改良廠2億5100升8萬1千人招列本項通過決議一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2208.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2214.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
第十二項 中苗改良紡織廠2億4979萬8千元造列第十三項 臺灣區農業改良廠3億3千550萬9千元造列第十四項 北海區農業改良廠1億9千081萬7千元造列第十五項 臺中區農業改良廠3億735萬3千元造列 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2226.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2231.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
第16項台南區農業改良廠3億2千021萬5千元遭獵第17項高雄區農業改良廠2億7千775萬2千元遭獵第18項花園區農業改良廠2億8千283萬6千元遭獵第19項台東區農業改良廠1億8千865萬元遭獵第20項漁業暑期所屬83億7千974萬1千元遭獵本項通過決議31項第21項 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2253.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2261.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬30億5097萬7千元造列本項通過決議26項第22項農業金融署6億6719萬5千元造列本項通過決議10項第23項農糧署及所屬45億9716萬6千元造列本項通過決議22項第24項農業金融水利署原列110億3733萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2276.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2287.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
7000元出第五目非營業特種基金627820萬元佔照列是所屬非營業特種基金審議確定暫行調整外基金照列本項通過決議12項第25項農業科技園區管理中心41074萬元照列第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2294.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2320.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
農業部主管26億3721萬5千元照列三有關正式別稅出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整二繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算分業部分關於農業部主管農業作業基金農田水利事業作業基金農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金決議令定期繼續審查主席宣告本次會議通過決議文字授權主席及議事委員整理散會宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2324.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2333.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
好 我們繼續進行討論事項 請宣讀討論事項 一 繼續審查本院委員吳立華等17人擬據土石災區法第3條條案修正草案二 本院委員黃磷等36人擬據土石災區法第3條及第14條條案修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2341.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2364.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
3.本院委員邱映英等21人,委員賴瑞榮等19人,分別擬據土石採取法部分條件修正草案等2案4.本院委員許智傑等31人,委員柯之恩等19人,委員陳廷輝等16人,委員丁守中等16人,分別擬據土石採取法第36條條件修正草案等4案5.本院委員邱政軍等24人擬據土石採取法第36條,第38條及第39條條件修正草案6.本院 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2367.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2370.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
本院臺灣民政黨黨團理局土石採取法第36條、第38條及第41條提案修正長案 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2373.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2398.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
二審查一行政案行政審議本院委員齊曉菁等16人委員黃豪威等19人委員廖偉祥等21人分明拟據土石採取法第36條條案修正草案等4案二本院委員林健吉等17人拟據土石採取法第36條第38條及第39條條案修正草案三本院委員鄭天才等16人拟據土石採取法第3條及第14條條案修正草案宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2402.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2428.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
好 那我介紹一下 在場委員有鍾嘉斌委員然後林倩琦委員那我們這個列席的官員有經濟部常務次長賴次長在地質調查及礦業管理中心主任徐明宏水利署副署長陳建成產業發展署副署長陳國軒產業營區管理局局長楊志清 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2429.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2435.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
國土管理署檢證視察甄麗儀環境管理署署長許振雄原住民族友人會經濟發展處副處長張憲良在法務部調避斷屍檢察官黎智齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2461.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2488.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
好 那本日議程排列審查土石採取法部分條文修正草案這一案那本案所以於4月23號詢答結束但因行政院跟委員提案版本共6案故於今日會議再次詢答後併案的一個處理那我們現在請這個提案委員說明提案要職我們有請林倩琦委員說明提案要職 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2495.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2511.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
主席謝謝趙偉還有我們所有的副院同仁本案本席針對土石採取法第36條、38條、39條提出修正那亦支持第三條目的是在於強化非法採取土石行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2512.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2541.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
是管理與阻嚇那麼補足現行法制對陸域的這個非法採取土石行事責任不足的問題那麼今年來呢那個非法採取棄置土石的案件都常常發生了部分也更涉及了大規模及集團性的不法行為那對於環境生態水土保持及公共安全都造成重大的憧憬那麼現行第36條呢對於沒有經過可採取土石者 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2543.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2562.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
僅處罰新台幣100萬元以上到500萬元以下的罰緩那麼按日連續處罰的金額也偏低對於大型集團性的不法行為而言違法的成本仍然不足因此本案第一項修正的重點是將未經許可採取土石之罰緩提高並將為依現期整複者 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2567.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2583.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
至按日连续处罚的同步也提高那以提升实质嚇阻力那么第二个部分呢是现行法仅就内水领海以及特定离岛水域非法采取土石者设有刑责 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2584.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2613.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
但是陸域的非法採取土石如果造成了環境污染還有水土流失跟毀損水土保持的設施甚至涉及棄置營建剩餘土方或廢棄物那對公共安全的危害同樣是很重大因此本案也增訂了相關的刑事法則如果產生了災害還有致人死亡或重傷時也要做加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2614.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
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以完整整個責任體系第三個部分是配合第36條法則來同步提高了第38條跟第39條法環的額度讓整個法則結構一致但是本席在這邊要特別提醒對於原住民區域及偏鄉應該考量國家形成前之文化脈絡 |
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那麼還有相關的這個文化習癖那應該考量以習慣法的這個方式來同理之所以本案最主要是針對惡性重大違規行為來建立相對的應責任機制讓違法者不能將破壞國土環境 |
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視為低成本高獲利的商業模式以維護國土的保育環境安全及公共利益但是對於原鄉衝擊的這個樣態應該也要予以支持尤其是在第三條的這樣一個提案當中那也請各位委員來支持本案謝謝好 謝謝林建啟委員 |
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那接下來的話我們請經濟部內次長進行報告我們報告時間五分鐘 謝謝好 等一下因為在場這個本委委員人數達三人請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有沒有錯誤好 沒有錯誤 議事錄確定好 我們現在請次長 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生今日奉邀列席貴人會就繼續審查委員吳立華等17人凝聚土石採取法第三條修正案委員黃仁等36人凝聚土石採取法第三條及14條的修正案及委員邱映穎等21人凝聚 |
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土石財區法條文的修正案賴瑞文委員等19人擬拒土石財區法條文修正案及許智傑31人擬拒土石財區法36條修正草案柯志文委員等19人擬拒土石財區法36條修正草案邱政軍委員等24人擬拒土石財區法36條38條39條修正案委員陳廷輝等16人擬拒土石財區法36條修正案 |
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委员丁水中等16人拟据土石财区法第36条修正案台湾民众党团拟据土石财区法36条38条41条修正案及审查行政院函请审议土石财区法36条条文修正案林倩琪委员等17人 |
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代表本部就以下的報告 |
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首先有關於行政院版土石採取法第36條修正草案對於國內發生不法行為是謀取私利大規模非法採取土石造成環境景觀嚴重的破壞所遺留的這個坑洞影響的環境衛生及公共安全本部針對陸域未經許可採取土石行為以嚴懲不法謀利強化環境恢復維修法核心女巨土石採取法36條修正草案 |
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由行政院含用大院審議那本次修正的重點本次的處罰行為等不僅限於實際從事土石採取行為者也包含所參與的地主、雇主、駕駛及相關等人均得依本法分別處理本次若討論修正之後預期可以達到精準打擊、阻絕不法、環境恢復等三大的效益有關 |
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精準打擊不法模擬的部分除將未經許可採取土持罰款上限提高至新台幣1000萬元以外針對意圖模擬之違法行為人證定處5年以下有期徒刑並得科最高新台幣5000元 |
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华金如因违法行为致人死伤加因其且将作处罚最高可处无期徒刑并得并科最高新台币1亿元的华金有关于有效阻绝不法的部分查处机关裁罚使得当场即使没入违法行为所使用的机器设备载运车辆 |
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對於意圖營利之違法行為,其使用的積蓄設備及載運車輛,不論其所有權屬,一律強制沒收、嚇阻違法,防止再度流入不法的用途。此外,本次修正案確立了整戶規範,促進環境安全恢復。明定整戶過程不得使用廢棄物、組結、二次污染。有關於大院委員損益區的修正案,本部的意見如下。首先, |
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就修正條文第三條的部分 委員基於原住民族採取土石的基本權益保障 增訂了 |
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下列三項免申請土石採取稀可的情形本部競表支持但是請建議參照原住民基本法以個人為權利的保障主體並參照水利法42條條文的體例援引完整法源以更增明確另建議參酌原住民族傳統建築實際有石板屋、地下屋等形式對於採取土石之種類不以石板為限 |
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並建議著修相關的文字 針對修正條文第14條的部分建議落實原住民基本法的精神之外 建議參照該條文的這個精神以公有土地為適用範圍 針對修正條文第36條的部分有關於行政和法法 那現行的採取未經許可預量 |
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立方公辭以錯不文法而受罰其罰款的下限以為同類型的罰款的最重罰所以建議參採行政院版最增進罰者的部分行政院版以規劃意圖營利為基本的刑者的條件並對量身傷害致人重傷致人死亡等三種情境刻意相應之加重處罰此部分與部分委員的提案相同建請委員支持行政院版 |
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那至於在限期旅行的義務部分由於直轄縣市政府限期 |
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令行為人整戶及清除其設施的職選行政院版考量實際的執行能力得由現行的得改為應得這個部分行政院版令規劃對於違法的這個長期整戶使用的材料有相關的方法這個事後我們會來會同相關主管機關來訂定那此外處罰地主明知違法採取而不通報駕駛及運輸業者的部分 |
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在刑法的二十八條三十條已經針對共同時薪的範圍教唆或是幫助犯予以處罰所以參與的這個地主、僱主、駕駛及相關人等經得以本法分別處罰建議不需要再特別的訂定那以上終請委員支持行政院辦 |
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至於修正條文第31條跟41條的部分那由於合法的土石採取法的這個處罰跟管理的這個行為我們現在已經有機制了那倘於有違規的使用最終可以取消其申請許可所以建議參照現行的條文感謝大委員委員對於土石採取法諸多的修正的建議以上報告並祝各位委員身體健康萬事如意謝謝好 |
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那現在進行詢答那因為我們之前已經有關本次會議各部會所提書面報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報那現在進行詢答因為我們上次已經詢答過一次那是應應行政院新的版本新提案 |
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那所以呢我們每位委員的話發言時間本會委員4分鐘必要時延長1分鐘非本會委員3分鐘上午10點零分截止發言登記首先請登記第一位的中嘉賓委員發言 |
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主席在場的委員先進列席的政府機關省長官員會長共同夥伴媒體記者女士先生先謝謝主席再次因應著行政院版還有委員的信任版本人讓我們有機會再次的詢答那我們對這個議題會充分的來加以討論當然因為這個議題前面有些問題也已經討論過了所以今天也會延續到一些新的議題所以我們就有請經濟部的賴次長地調中心的徐主任以及 |
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內政部國土署的真檢論視察那麼請園區管理局的楊局長請準備委員好次長好其實這個問題您再熟悉不過過去您就是主管經濟部土著採取法當中最重要的水利署好那麼我們上次就看到行政院版的這裡講出了精準打擊阻斷不法我們看到行政院版跟其他在野黨的版本的最大差別 |
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在於呢你們的上限裁罰的罰還呢是上限是一千萬但是你們加了一個意圖盈利的話可以處以刑罰有期徒刑五年以下但是呢在其他災難版本呢樓地板從一百提高一千或兩千萬那麼上限呢從五千萬到一億不等請次長說明您認為對於嚴重盈利者我們處以刑責這是必要的嗎 |
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這個當然是必要的我們要維護環境的這個部分那既然這樣的話行政裁罰的部分100萬到1000萬跟在的版本有這麼大的差異您說明一下樓地板的部分跟天畫板的部分為什麼採取100到1000 |
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跟委員說明我們這次為了在修法我們也請教法務部包括相關的檢察官我們認為二次修法這個部分不符合比例的原則 |
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樓地板一千萬兩千萬起跳呢因為只要有兩立方公尺我剛有報告過了他就有可能差好那我們就兩立方公尺本席在20年前擔任屏東縣副縣長在25年前擔任屏東縣長的局長秘書當時屏東縣政府 |
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牆內遭受到很多的土石採取就這張情況但是呢雖然我們盡力的打擊非法的盜亂採砂石但是我們發現有農民因為你說兩立方他就被裁罰那時候我記得一般的土地管制都是六萬起跳那時候呢好像已經調到一百萬起跳以至於那個農民發生了什麼情況您說明一下所以有一些的農民因為這個 |
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所以如果只是單純的兩立方以下就要面對到一百萬的裁罰這似乎過當吧我們原本的法規第三條的規定針對自用的部分就免於處罰 |
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所以我們針對於那意圖盈利的或是擴大的這個採取的這個行為我們希望來藉由這次的修法可以提高所以當年那個悲劇老農民因為受裁罰一百萬要去致敬那當時的兩立方民如果是致用就沒有問題了是好謝謝我們支持行政院版的裁罰謝謝往下看再來我們 |
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埋填廢棄物這個土石棄土的最大問題在於到亂採之後的砂石坑那個空間是更值錢的他可以請到這些廢棄物非法的廢物算是有毒的廢棄物那過去呢我們發現呢這些拋棄廢棄物的行為應該由行為人跟地主共同來承擔那現在我們看到在場版本說可以轉嫁給政府您覺得這合理嗎 |
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這完全不合理因為行為人可能藉此來規避他自己總負的責任事實上我知道過去的例子凡是意圖盜亂採土石的人他購買了農地他都用人頭去購買結果呢行為人沒有抓到地主要負責但是地主也無力去處理這些被盜亂採的有毒廢棄物所以造成地方這種很大的困擾你扣押也沒辦法那代執行也求償不回來所以應該嚴格的刻以誰責任刻以行為人嘛對不對是好來我們講往下看 |
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那麼至於說我們過去的經驗未經許可採取土石擦採取土石過去我們有發現採取土石大概有兩個作案工具第一個是輪車運輸第二個是挖掘工具輪車通常抓不到通常我們過去只要發現有意圖不法我們去抓跑掉了但是機具都棄置在現場地方政府當時因為限於我們的保管空間不足也沒有能力去加以所以我們做的方式就是它 |
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挖土機的面板拆下來就地就保管請問未來未經許可採取的土是殺死的我們的執行方式有哪些做法第一個是沒入第二個是說是意圖你沒入要保管然後就沒收了對啊沒入你要保管啊這個當然就要看說地方政府的所謂的執行能力那你們對於地方政府執行能力有辦法協議支持嗎過去我們針對河川殺死的數據很多河川的管理機關他自己有這些的戰事場 |
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但是每一個地方政府他的所有的管理的能力不一一組所以我們希望未來經濟部要密切去注意我們查扣之後你要沒錄或沒收這個保管的問題有沒有能力去負擔這要想辦法那往下看再下來我們現在就要土方的問題了為什麼要找地調所呢現在我們說國土署說什麼呢說我們這個土資氣方已經去平緩了有不合理的漲價我們都監控所以你們認為目前氣方只要付大概一千多塊錢土資漲就可以 |
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這個可是事實上市面上的行情如果我要雇人把挖方帶走啊要付的價格是三千五到四千跟土資場拿到的一千出頭是差距很大請問一下到底國土署你們所知道的情況是怎麼樣土方支援之前大概是一千六到兩千啊比土資場收的還多因為這包括開挖費運匯跟戰資費現在呢已經漲到四千了你們有監控到嗎 |
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更為報告因為這個業務是屬於另外一個組的部分不好意思OK今天我們不是採取土石採取嗎好請先回來那個次長這樣一樣都是您的範圍雖然那是內政部的範圍往下看其實目前現在營造業這內政部的問題你不要跟他講 |
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現在連續被施作土質黨他已經容量裝不下了戰器廠也不收如果他有場所他用太空包立竿沒有場所他就停工這是沒有辦法去化的施土怎麼處理這個你要跟內政部去講一下往下看另外還有什麼問題他專探報告會去根據地質專探報告來處理剩餘土質方面的處理計畫但是一旦開挖可能這個土質它鬆軟之後它的鬆方比超過預估或它組成了 |
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內容不符合專案報告這時候他沒辦法取得土石的出土許可要停工經濟部知道嗎這個部分個別的工地都有一些相對的困難所以我們這次的修法裡面特別針對於整戶的部分除了強調不要使用廢棄土之外我們會會同相關的機關來訂定合理地道中心那剛剛講到的這個如果說土層不符專案報告怎麼辦出土沒辦法許可怎麼辦 |
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我們還是會按照規定 請他還是要繼續市長聽到了沒有還是要按照規定 所以想辦法去解決這個部分我們必須幫實況去做反應請經濟部密切注意最後呢 我必須要結束了來 那個 楊局長 |
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這個上三月的時候問過了何次長關於產創條例當中我本席的修法第一我提升10%到15%這個我們可以討論但最重要的是在46條之一我把最後第三款拿掉還有即出售員工新建住宅致用請問你們的態度是什麼 |
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是 我們支持委員這樣的一個態度 我們後續也會來安排相關法條的調整好 那麼賴市長 雖然這是何市長的業務 請你督導下去我希望趕快管理局把過去 不只是你們所屬園區過去根據產創條例 39條跟40條之一它只要園區內的原來的土地後來有受供員工新建住宅之使用以及出售供新建住宅之使用的現況調查給本席 可以嗎 |
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市長你承諾大概多久可以給本席 |
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兩個禮拜兩個禮拜沒有問題我給你一個月的時間好往下看最後因為主席站起來了最近我們看到昨天的經濟日報的社論他說台灣要打造戰略科技產業鏈這是我們召委主席很關心的那麼目前外界提出的是修改產業創新條例將國防科技AI半導體低軌衛星還有無人機以及資安和居民兩用的科技納入 |
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投資租稅獎勵的範圍請問目前經濟部有沒有構想就這個方向上來研擬對於產創條例進行必要的修正 |
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只要符合這個部分,它只要轉型,現有的研發的這個都有好,那最後因為主席在講,我先講兩個要求第一個就剛剛已經提了,一個月內你們就剛剛所要求提出一個書面報告本席第二個本席往前看那一頁本席在上週就提出了一個無人載具產業創建特別條例的草案 |
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這個創建特別條例呢 不是產創條例因為是一個暫行的條例它只有期限的 本期是一定五年就可以 所以要特別條例它是創建一次性的 不是產業創新要持續性的但是也有認為啊 既然要去開創這個無人載具的產業應該從長期納入產業創新條例市長你的看法怎麼樣 你是認為 |
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為了要開創一個無人載具的產業我們是用一次性的特別法去創建它還是納入到持續性的作用法讓廠創條例把它納入範圍目前的法規主要是可以適用的話因為產業的發展非常快我們盡量來輔導廠商那如果是有需要特別的這個法制的來協助的部分我們經濟部在做研究我跟你說一個差別啦如果放在廠創條例的話 |
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涉及到其他部位的作用法你們要排除呢你們要透過行政院內部很長的時間去協商如果是給你們經濟部主管這個特別條例你們就可以用一個這樣有期限的特別條例在該期限內排除其他對於無人機無人載具產業所受到限制的空域海域的傳播法還有民用航空法可以做必要的暫時的解除這樣的束縛 |
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但是等到特別條例屆滿之後再回歸到各目的事業主管機關的做法去管理這是一個參考的方向但是為了尊重經濟部所以我希望說好 下一頁您可以承諾將我們目前無人載具相關的產業納入產業創新條例在一個月內提出一個書名報告給本席嗎當然我希望你們參考本席的特別條例的草案遵照辦理好 謝謝好 超時五分鐘我們那一段會長很久 |
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好 謝謝主席 請那個賴次長跟法務部的李檢察官還有法務部 |
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我先請教這個在土石採取法還沒有修法完成前的時候那怎麼樣來嚇阻這樣的行為在地方上來發生 |
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有沒有什麼相關的一些作為目前雖然說我們加強大案採了這個防治的方案但是我們發現說啊過去的違法的行為那如何來有效的遏止我們也拜訪了相關的地檢署正辦的檢察官我們認為藉納入相關刑法的這個要求對於嚇阻的作用是有更好那這段時間呢在訪還沒有通過之前的話有沒有加強一些所有的作為我們除了跟各個部會加強從空中或是平常的這個巡查之外 |
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對於現下近幾年所發生的這七十幾處的部分我們加強了監管相關的作為好 李啟財官我會請教一下法務部有沒有什麼樣積極的作為目前有熱圖水土保持法及廢棄物清理法相關都有刑事的處罰規定如果符合的話都會按照個案來處理所以有加強在做一些偵查偵辦的部分嗎 |
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當然 如果有刑事犯罪的話我們一定是盡力偵辦 謝謝好 謝謝 次長我也希望這一塊我們盡快能夠三讀通過之後然後盡快能夠來有效的嚇阻這樣的不法的行為好 謝謝文恩支持我想很多的方向其實我跟院裡面是一致的只是差別在於那個上限的部分那當然我是把 |
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舉得更直接啦因為我看到有很多獲利空間有超過3億的一個空間那我們直接把它寫上的話其實給予嚇阻上將來法官在相關的裁量上會更加的明確啦當然我也知道說你有說有特殊狀況有有這個需要他一樣可以增加但是當然這有不同一些見解啦不過到時候一起再討論細部討論可以再做一些處理 |
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罰款的部分我們建議參考比例原則對於意圖營利的部分除了行者之外可以加重來罰款最高還可以達到1億元以下的這個部分所以我們這個是院版的一個金額但實際上面是他獲益有超過3億以上所以我就說這個細節部分大家再來討論看看怎麼來處理只要能夠有效的嚇阻都會是個好方法這個細節我們待會再來討論那我先請教一下其實大家也很關心扣經業者 |
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傳產業者這些的這段時間那個法務部警察官先請回來謝謝那個232部分我們在5月27號也有再爭取到一些好的條件但是扣金業者跟相關的這些的傳統業者還是需要很大的支持那我也知道現在政府包括賴總統包括經濟部也有準備了2200億要來支持傳產有沒有想不得一些細部的規劃 |
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目前我們經濟部除了針對於包括相關的所謂的產業諮詢委員會包括所謂的金屬跟五金的部分我們也在籌組相關的這個福島的這個聯盟有規劃了嗎因為這一波不管是基金成長率或者是股市的狀況很多人還是覺得對於傳產是比較還是需要更多的支持的所以也希望經濟部盡快把這個方案提出來2200億應該是確切的 |
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那個說明一下好不好 |
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現在目前的部分因為在這個上個月那美國針對232對於所謂的相關的這個稅率對於我們是有利的所以我們加注這個契機除了促進產業福島轉型之外擴大所謂的產業鏈的部分不會確定一下 據我所知經濟部其實準備了剛剛總統提出來的一千億包括原來的八百億然後包括原來既有本來就要做的四百億的部分總數會有兩千兩百億是嗎 沒錯吧 |
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目前我們規劃有一些要協助中小企業的部分這個條例差不多一千億你也看到媒體報紙也有做那過去的部分不管是任性條例的四百多億我們也持續對 四百多億加上傳產的八百億的部分那加上現在賴總統最新宣示的一千億我也希望這些錢能夠用在刀口上協助傳產能夠有給他們更大的一個支持謝謝 |
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另外我請教一下科技業者今年2026年美國鳳凰城的一個螺絲展這個部分上次有拜託支持這個沒有問題吧 |
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這沒有問題所以會有一個台灣款剛好也是擴建了很好的機會包括我們的這次的232的一些談判的結果之後那美國的市場也是我們積極要開拓的一個市場那我希望經濟部要加大這個支持的力道所以這個經費是沒有問題嗎補助沒有問題嗎沒有問題會補助多少經費依照他的這個申請的話我們來從優來補助我記得好像是800還是1000 |
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市政府也補助了一千萬我也希望經濟部在這一塊的力道也要加重對於傳統對扣經業者給予他們更多的支持他們正在辛苦當中但是未來是有一波好的機會的那我們希望把握住這樣的機會讓我們的傳產讓我們的扣經業者能夠永續的發展 |
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那再要請教一下高雄其實現在在整個推動國家級的算力及應用中心那這一塊包括也有跟院長也有在總諮詢有提過的這一塊目前的規劃是怎麼樣這個部分其實我也跟高雄市的副市長我們針對於高雄市未來的發展包括算力中心也有在規劃也結合現在新AIS的這個十大建設 |
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在進行之中那高雄有很好的這個環境資源的環境我們我們覺得在這個部分他形成一個產業的生態系跟聚落室市長這個定案了嗎確定了嗎這個部分還有跟國科會的一些互相補助我希望進一步加快了好不好讓因為現在算力高雄電力是充足的吼那還有包括所有的這個產業鏈也都拉動我希望國家級的 |
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算力及應用中心盡快的去成立起來讓高雄在這塊能夠有持續好的一個發展我們透過跨部會的部分來協助高雄市長請市長在經營部再加油啦好 謝謝好 謝謝賴樂隆委員接下來我們有請張家俊委員 |
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請經濟部賴次長 |
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主席 |
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工部長也親自在現場給予這個明確的承諾說會全力的來協助這兩個園區那這對雲林未來的發展還有創造在地青年就業機會有決定性的一個影響那所以今天本席想要跟次長討論的就是針對湖北產業園區面積是29.75公頃那定位主推是 |
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半導體的關聯產業進駐那我想請教次長從經濟部推動國家高科技產業的這個佈局當中你認為湖北產業園區的這個開發包括對雲林在地的發展對國家整體的半導體戰略有什麼樣實質的幫助嗎 |
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首先經濟部在推動我們產業的升級的部分對應六大生活圈的部分至於你委員所剛剛垂詢的福委產業園區那經濟部從基本的所謂的產業的聚落形成的條件不管是土地啦水跟電的這個部分經濟部會來支持但是我們也理解說這個部分還有包括主責的這個單位還有其他的這個部會有一些相關的意見在他們這個意見可以支持之下我們會 |
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跟地方政府來協力來推動好 謝謝次長那因為這個湖北園區它有非常無可取代的位置優勢它不只是僅僅在中科湖北園區旁邊能夠發揮群聚效益之外 |
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更重要的是他離雲林高鐵站非常的近那交通極為便利那就像你剛剛說的我們現在目前經濟部非常的支持不管是水電土地都大力的來同意來支持那但是呢包括我們這個農業部農業部在審查的時候他就希望說能夠有 |
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的公共利益那其實這個雲林的發展有重大的公共利益也希望市長能夠認同也支持那為了迎接這個半導體這個產業進駐雲林縣也做了萬全的準備那當然剛剛提的水電 |
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等等經濟部都大力的支持雲林縣政府那現在可以說是萬事俱備只欠東風唯一卡關的就是農地變更那這個是不是能夠由經濟部橫向溝通這個農業部能夠表達需求說其實這個變更是符合公共利益的那是不是有可能由經濟部也來協助溝通呢 |
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謝謝委員剛剛提出來這個事情關鍵的所在經濟部絕對會跟雲林縣政府來看看雲林縣政府針對這些部會所提的意見是否可以適度的回應來加速我們國家整體的產業的發展 |
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好 那當然由經濟部主導的像包中產業園區目前也有一些地方的意見包括說怎麼樣讓這個環境能夠永續讓農業用水也不會被等於是被取代 |
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等等還有空氣的部分還有說是不是有污染的部分呢那這個部分呢民眾有疑慮的也請經濟部要能夠一一的來釐清讓民眾能夠安心的 歡喜的接受包中產業園區的這個推進那這個部分不曉得 |
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這現在已經在環品的實施審查中剛剛委員所詢問的問題我相信在環品的委員會針對這個問題就科學性的來去做一些論斷那當然若是在這些問題所可以得到一個釐清的狀況之下的話或許在這個案子的推動上面進程就可以去加速 |
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是那這個部分我還是想要代表我們的鄉親表達一下就是說能夠用現在最先進最現代化的一些科技而不是要用比較舊的方式因為既然是一個新的產業園區他們還是希望說經濟部不管是環境部等等也好都能夠為我們雲林縣思考就是最先進最好的 |
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最優良的這個現代化技術那我們也希望雲林縣能夠朝向農工商高科技並進這樣子的方向來前進不只提供就業機會也能夠讓我們的鄉親包括我們在地的青年有選擇的空間那這一點也希望經濟部能夠持續的大力支持 謝謝好 謝謝張家俊委員接下來的話我們請陳廷輝委員質詢 謝謝 |
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我們請市長你要不要休息一下 |
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OK嗎可以喔好好我們請賴次長賴委員早安謝謝次長我想今天的修法其實我們是希望如果用中央跟地方做一個跨部會加強查緝而且我們要有武器 |
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否則查緝完之後我們的法不夠的嚴謹會造成大家好像沒有辦法有法可以依循所以這一次其實我們希望中央跟地方共同跨部會在修法的部分就是說我們希望能夠包含 |
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這個整個盜採殺死的這個行為人可以兼顧到地主、雇主、駕駛還有相關人都要予以重罰所以這個部分應該是我們的共識吧對我們現在在採取的只要意圖盈利或是加重的一個所謂的犯罪事實的部分那除了行為人之外我們依照刑法的話其實包括共同的幫助犯、教唆犯這些我們都已經納入 |
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所以全部只要在這個倒採殺死的相關人等不論是地主 僱主 駕駛 或是有一些牽扯的我們都有法 在這次修法之後他們是必須被連帶相關做處分的 對不對 |
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對 這個在法的這個行政院版裡面都有提供這些所謂的規範那未來各個 個別的案件就有個別的甄別的事實那檢察官會依照他的偵查的這個事實來予以去量處 |
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我們的修法也是這個樣子啦我的修法的版本其實一直在等待行政院院版進來那今天院版進來之後我們希望趕快讓他無爭議的通過 |
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然後讓我們的中央跟地方就有法可循那麼相關的法院檢察官他們也可以做相關的懲處這部分希望能夠今天趕快無異議的無爭議的通過 |
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那市長因為上個禮拜我們也到我的辦公室針對了我們的整個微電網的問題還有民間防災救災的一些資料庫的建立那我想問的就是說在於我們微電網的部分現在我們政府的期待跟目標值到底如何的一個鋪陳跟規劃 |
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委員對於救災的這個經驗相當的這個充足不管是過去江津溪的治理還有包括0823那去年丹納斯的時候我們看到雲嘉地區導斷了3000多根的這個電桿 |
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那這一切的電感要逐一的把它樹立起來需要很長的時間所以我們就提出了微電網的這個計畫那當然在丹納斯的這個預算裡面有8億元這8億元的部分我們希望就針對於首先就土省的套點 |
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只要說是因為是所謂的災害潛勢比較高的或是因為未來救災有需求收容的區域或是指揮的中心我們希望說藉由當地的這個微電網的建立可以避免說大電網當當 |
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需要修復的時候 不需要等候的時間 那可以減少民眾的一個不便 這是我們的目標而我們現在也積極的來籌辦除了丹納斯特別條例結束之後的中長期計畫 這個是我們的期待而我們也希望說 未來這個公共建設計畫可以整合民間的力量 |
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因為公私協力可以共創更好的雙贏之外社區的力量也是很重要的所以我們這個資源的部分我們剛剛委員有提到電力的資料庫的部分這當然台電有但地方政府有很充足的包括當地的水電行啊當地的所有的救災物資的資料這必須要把它串聯起來 |
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所以我這個部分有兩個重點第一個因為這一次丹娜絲其實哪邊最脆弱其實我們中央都有資料台電都有資料所以微電網我們就先要從這個地方先做部件也就是說我們可以從 |
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我們的區公所從我們的活動中心從我們的相關的一些公部門的單位我們先來建置第二個部分就是說我們的資料庫中央地方資料庫都要建立我想 |
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今天如果說一次丹納斯讓我們承受那麼大的一個痛苦我們就從這些痛苦去掌握所有的資訊而且從中央到地方的一個部件 |
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資料庫的部件這個非常的重要所以我們希望說中央我們建置地方也要建置然後做整合處理這才能讓人民沒有擔憂所以我要拜託次長 |
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微電網的建立很重要還有我們資料庫我們公司合作的這些資料庫的建立也很重要我們希望不只是台南市我想我有這樣的一個計畫我有這樣的一個預備可是我們也希望用這樣的經驗給所有全國各地都應該有這樣的準備這樣才能讓我們的 |
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人民沒有後顧之憂遇到了任何的所謂的天災我們都可以有萬全的準備這才是人民的保障謝謝委員的指導我們會用這個方向來推動之外 除此 |
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微電網的建制地方政府的支持非常的重要所以我們希望在這個方向之下中央跟地方快步的來合作來建立我們防災型的一個社會來達到我們整個社會的一個韌性那市長我們那個丹納斯的特別預算有微電網你說8億那之後呢之後我們的公務預算呢現在我們能源署已經提出一個公共建設的一個草案 |
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那我們現在已經在抱怨審議之中所以抱怨審議這個草案完之後預算呢會跟上嗎 |
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我們謝謝陳天飛委員 |
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接下來的話我們有請這個鄭正前委員質詢謝主席我想請一下經濟部賴建信次長請經濟部賴次長 |
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市長早安因為今天我們是針對土石財區法的一個修法的一個詢答那我想說因為行政院版的土石財區法第36號修正草案重點集中在那個提高行政罰款 沒入機據增訂盈利性的倒採刑責加重結果犯處罰以及整複的規範 |
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那我這邊想要特別提到因為坦白說加入刑罰的部分的時候我覺得是一個好的方式能夠得到更好的一個威嚇的效果不過因為它的前提是有一個意圖引力這個主觀範疑的部分那這個舉證門檻是不是會變得很高因為現在事實上我們看到很多司法的實務上面的時候不法分子他們通常是用土地改良 |
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整地致用或者是清除淤泥等等的一個理由基本上你要去證明這個意圖營利這個部分我覺得之後會變成我們在舉證上面的一個困難所以針對這個部分的時候我們是不是有可能 |
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這個刑責的部分不會把意圖營利變成一個前提這部分可不可以請次長做個簡單的說明首先跟委員講其實要區分這個部分檢察官只有他的偵辦的技巧除了從事實的發生的場所來源或是契約書或是通聯的資料或是土方的去處那除此之外土石採取法現行的規定第三條裡面針對自用的部分就有明確的規範 |
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排除自用的部分剛剛委員所舉的例子很多的部分就會贏到自己的利甚至是賺不法的這個利得所以基本上我們認為說目前行政院版的這個部分可以體現我們希望達到的利益其實這部分就讓檢察官這邊到時候去辦 |
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那因為我覺得這一次的修法當中其實有幾個點因為我覺得意圖引力這個部分如果說把那個用數量跟規模的部分直接當作一個條件這也許是一個思考的方向那當然就是說如果說我們這邊其實要用意圖引力然後你把這個意圖引力在主觀的那個條件去讓檢察官這邊去處理當然是一個解決的當然是一個做法可是我們認為到時候你在舉證當中其實就會變得非常的困難 |
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第一個要遏止這個狀況在發現事實的這個當下第一個在執法的人員就可以來說所謂的沒收或是沒入這些的經濟當然看到他們的損失我們在看這個法律當中的時候我個人覺得就是你會牽涉到一個到時候要用刑責的部分會有一個主觀的一個論定這樣的一個困難點 |
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可是因為我覺得今天要討論幾個點比方說我們在修法當中的時候也特別把原本的按日連續處罰改成按次處罰那這個部分的時候我覺得各有各的考量可是按次處罰之後它會非常的去考驗到 |
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地方在執法上面的一個能力因為如果按日處罰的時候我們相對的時候比較容易去做一個行政的一個處罰的一個判斷可是你如果變成是個按次處罰你必須要賴主管 |
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單位的時候每一次每一次的去做這樣子的一個檢查我覺得可能會造成基層當中的一個負擔越來越重而且你用次數的方式的壓力跟按日數給他們那個經濟的壓力我覺得按日數給他們經濟壓力可能會更大首先跟委員報告近五年我們這對土石採取的這個案件我們大概統計大概有76件 |
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那這些的案件的話都是相當地方矚目或是社會矚目的那既然是如此的話所以執法的人員他必須要去到現場去看看事實那除此之外的話法務部在針對所謂的行政法有關於所謂的案日跟案次的部分逐日來把它改成說案次所以案次是執法人員要去現場看是 |
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事實的狀況如何來做一個處罰在這個行政裁罰上面的話不管是對於行為對於所謂的執行或是我們建立一個法治的國家大概依法來刑事 依法來裁處會更有依據所以這個部分是一個聰明的改善這樣做法的時候就會造成地方很大分因為坦白說地方現在的很多公務人員其實都補不起 |
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你現在要用暗刺的狀態去做這樣的處理的時候我覺得是可能會造成我們給真正的違法者的時候的壓力反而會減輕不過這邊就是我先針對這部分提出來然後另外一個狀態我覺得這是修法當中還有一個點就是說我們是針對那個 |
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盜採者的部分我們可以去抓到 可是我們對於那個獲利者 盜採之後的獲利者的時候 似乎沒有這樣子的一個相關的一個罰則那我覺得這個部分針對盜採那個殺死之後的一個獲利者的部分 是不是可以考量比方說像森林法的一個部分把那個獲利者也能夠納進一個處罰的一個範圍 |
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事實上在這個所謂的刑法的部分針對於所謂的共同行為人甚至他意圖營利他的這個獲利者只要我們偵查到哪裡他就會處罰到哪裡不但是如此幫助犯、教唆犯這些都是在我們的查處的這個範圍裡面 |
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所以我們這次提了這個修法我們地礦中心特別去拜訪我剛剛跟其他委員說明個別偵辦的檢察官我們認為說除了罰款之外其實最有效的這個這個所謂的嚇阻的手段是徵納刑法的這個規定所以我們這次特別針對意圖 |
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所以我才會特別提到說因為他有一個主觀翻譯舉證上面的一個問題啦那當然就是說部長今天我不知道你們在做這樣的過程當中的時候是不是有跟相關的一個執法的一個單位有助過的溝通有有有有助過的溝通他們也都覺得他們負擔得來嘛 |
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OK那另外一部分就是我希望說在這次修法當中說可以把那個斷絕就是盜財土食這相關的那個利益鏈的部分的時候也能夠嚴加的一個杜絕我覺得這才是最主要的一個根本解決的方法本次行政通過經濟服所提的版本裡面經過反覆的檢討我們認為說可以有效的二組法不法 |
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然後達到我們所希望達到修法的目的OK我們希望這次修法之後能夠真正的有效然後來杜絕比方說很多地方的一個稻財土石房這樣子的一個問題謝謝好謝謝委員之導好我們謝謝鄭正前委員接下來的話我們有請這個謝一鳳委員 |
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好謝謝主席我想請賴市長好我們請賴市長好委員好 |
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市長早安我想請教一下就是現在AMD跟Nmedia都計畫在台灣就是說大量的投入那回答也表達說每年對台的採購會1500億那但是他也在 |
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就是暗示說台灣的電力有可能不足喔那我們過去說我們在2034年之前會累積10.2G的燃氣電廠喔那所以在2034年之前半導體還有所有的Data Center的供電都是無餘的嗎請問一下 |
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我們不但是如此我們定場的會去針對未來這個電力的供需可靠度去做一個檢討除了我們工部門之外我們邀請學者專家以今年為例的話我們今年就有四個機組可以上來 |
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你說燃氣的部分嗎對 新增加的電力就5.2GW我們知道半導體的發展突飛猛進所以我們經濟部也擬定了所有的配套的措施針對半導體產業的輔導的部分不管是用研發創新供應鏈這個當然不是委員所質詢的但是這個經濟部也在做對於所謂的基本條件基礎設施水跟電 |
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的這個部分我們也盤點出來說他的挑戰是如何我們需要如何去應處比如說以電力為例的話除了這10.2G的燃氣機組之外你還有沒有其他的備案那因為他現在回答還不是IE100的會員嘛那所以他需要電力穩定是優於綠電那我們的綠電目標呢我們的綠電目標有沒有辦法達成 |
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所以这个是我们要提倡二次能源转型的重点所以绿电的部分我们在多元绿电的发展我们除了今年现在已经并往的离岸风电4.67GW之外我们在2030我们更有信心可以达到10GW因为我们在今年3月27也公布了3-3的一个零选 |
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除此之外在離岸風電的一個風場不管是浮動式的風場各式的風場其他的這個綠能比如說太陽能光電太陽能光電的話我們現在併網的是差不多是有15.76左右那地熱的部分也是所以這些都要做深度節能也要做 |
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那所以綠電 你的意思是綠電還會增加當然會增加是 那我是說會不會按照你的目標有沒有辦法按照你的目標達成我們現在基本上我們繼續逐日逐月的再去做現在有沒有辦法超前 達成還超前我們希望朝著這個目標來努力我們積極在努力之中 |
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好那就除了這個部分以外還有這些就是說當輝達跟超微在台灣設廠那個供應鏈的短鏈已經有這樣子的趨勢那物流呢我們對於這些高耗能跟高時效的物流籌備的圓區那在書配店的規劃上面是不是有一些優先擴充的擴容的方案呢有嗎 |
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所以在電網的部分其實台電一直在加速的進行強韌的電網的工作除此之外我們現在去年所推出的儲冷或是自發自用我們也希望說未來這個園區透過儲冷跟自發自用包括綠電 |
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的這個建立它可以避免說因為它的開發來影響其他周邊的這個需求那除此之外的話對於基礎建設不管是我們的長期的電力的這個需求我們也希望說這一些的這個發展可以就近我們在電源端可以對我們的電網是更加的穩定的所以我們現在有擬定了相關的這個策略比如說以NVIDIA |
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進駐在北市科的部分 其實台電很早的就提醒了台北市政府說這個部分可能要儘早在原來的這個土地裡面預留這些方案 那我們也跟市政府共同的協調 協調出 |
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它不是電不夠的問題它未來的發展也不能只看它2030它要看它未來長遠的長遠的可能要增加到也許到200多MW左右所以變電所是需要的變電所的土地跟建構的這個形式大家都有共識我們就趕快來 |
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除了台北市以外啦我相信其他縣市也會需要相同的發展因為如果供應鏈的短鏈已經促成的時候就是相關的這個需求一定是與日俱增啊你也是必須要就是說 |
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考量到區域的這個產發署從產業端去來推估說我們的這個算力的需求那能源署從供應端對於電力可靠度和長遠的這個電力的發展我們有相當的疲憊甚至在能源署在最近提出來這個法規的部分包括使用能源的使用效率這些都會搭配起來因為它的用電很多當然我們希望它盡量能解電 |
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所以這個法規的這個部分我們都已經還有就是說因應這樣子的電網韌性的問題那會做一些調整那我剛還聽到就是說我們未來會發展就是微電網這樣子的一個型態那也希望說在就是說強化電網韌性的時候也希望說對於社區或者是民生的用電那是不是能增強這樣子微電網的相關的就是說就是這樣子的優化的情況 |
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會讓就是說社區在這個電網優化的情況下會導致於就是民生用電的有可能常遇到就是不足的情況那我相信微電網應該可以調整這樣子的情況謝謝委員關心不論是AI的發展或是民眾生活提升韌性的部分 |
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除了台電公司的努力之外我們也期待說地方政府的協助因為這個部分需要說中央跟地方一起來合作不管是包括土地的變更還有包括使用行為人因為我們過去在建立微電網徵詢的過程裡面我們發現說 |
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因為人事的更迭 可能有一些人就不支持舉例來講 因為我們現在建立在學校當校長改換的時候 就不會支持但是縣市所長若是有跟委員一樣的來支持我們的電力的建設的時候這個方向就會鞏固住了在我們的框架之下就可以來建立我們所謂的強韌的電網 |
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好那最後不好意思稍微我再一個問題就是土石採取法的這個今天的相關修法那未來行政院把那個限期整復的職權由得改成因那這其實雖然說展現我們政府的決心但是我們也必須考量地方政府在財政跟量能不足的情況下導致廠子沒有辦法在黃金時間內能夠完整修復 |
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那所以本次你們你們的行政院的版本以及經濟部的版本是強化環境恢復嗎那所以除了要求地方執法外是不是有配套的相關的跨部會的協助機制或者是專案啊你才能夠協助就是地方政府處理這種高難度的這個就是帶旅行整複的作業是不是這個 |
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第一個謝謝委員關心因為我們現在對於所謂的盜亂財的部分 |
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我們希望說趕快希望把它恢復對阿佛是說你知道地方政府的量現在也不足對 那委員就點出那個問題所在為什麼說沒有辦法去整復因為所謂的整復的規範不一農業發展條例裡面有相關的規定但是我們這一次藉由這次的修法把整復的規定讓未來我們經濟部地方中心會跟中央各部會 |
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來去訂定所有適合的原來附存的土壤之外適合整戶的土壤進來那這樣子裝把專用對於整戶是有幫助的對 你應該要協助地方政府嘛因為他們畢竟沒有相當的人力來做這樣子的那個那你如果就是說你如果希望他們把統一標準把它訂起來然後你又把德改成英的時候那是不是也應該要就是說有更好更完整的配套 |
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好不好好謝謝謝謝謝謝謝謝蕭峰委員接下來有請呂毅林委員質詢謝謝主席請戴次長你要不要先喝口水你先喝口水沒關係 |
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好委員早安市長你先喝口水吧好謝謝我慢慢來問啦 |
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次長在去年9月的時候爆發了這個美濃大峽谷這個案子就是不肖業者就是盜採殺死我們沒有強力的那個法我們有法但是我們沒有辦法去嚇阻所以我們才會朝野共識下再修了這個提出土石採石法在這土石採石法第36條裡面有未經許可的話最高法源是1000萬然後有盈利的話 |
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這行為最高到五千萬到五年以下的有期徒刑那也要機關如果它有設備的話或者是車輛的話我們也會沒收在這個上面我們朝野都有共識啦經濟部也非常的重視但是本期看來比較務實實在的一個問題就是說因為它造成這個爛財造成了這個大峽谷式的這個大坑洞要把它復原起來那這個違法的這個行為人 |
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他如果沒辦法去恢復的話那我們的機關地方剛剛有提到了就是我們地方政府的話就可以去幫忙他把它復原然後這個費用的話衍生出來這個費用我們再請行為人來負擔這個費用但是行為人在案發時候就開始就脫產然後就跑路了 |
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未來這個衍生出來的這個費用啊地方政府也沒辦法跟他索取的話那最後買單還是我們全民來買單所以我們經濟部這邊有沒有相應的這個這個機制來讓行為人來付出應有的代價 |
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第一個要遏止這個情形發生事先一定要掌握像我們國家也有服衛的衛星上去它的解析度非常高可以在現行的機制之下早日發現但是委員確實點到一個問題因為我們現行的規定在未修法之前因為我們這個法規只有行政法沒有刑法所以當我們發生事實的時候需要檢察官來幫忙或是法務單位來幫忙它只能用竊盜 |
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他也脫產了啊他竊盜可是當我們修法的時候其實共同實施的犯罪人啊他都有這個必須要去所以你現在沒有去檢討討論這個問題嗎我們在所謂的處罰的部分我剛剛已經在報告了不管是地主駕駛或是業者甚至背後教說背後出資者只要犯罪事實偵辦到哪邊他必然要付出相對的代價 |
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市長我說他當然付出代價但是他脫產了沒有財產了又跑路了那未來這個所有衍生出來的任何費用都是我們所有的民眾來買單啊納稅人來買單啊所以你們討論一個機制出來好不好這個 |
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未來我們會透過跨國人來承受因為他沒辦法復原嘛那就由機關來做代為復原的工作對不對那這些費用的話都要違法的行為人來負責啊這法官也一定會這樣子判都沒有問題但是沒有辦法讓執行他讓他負責他就已經脫產了 |
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這之前面向上面我會依照委員的指導跟相關部會來討論討論一下要因應的這個機制出來好不好接下來我想請問一下我們有九條斷層的這個地質敏感區域的劃分還未公佈 |
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因為我們在台灣是位處於歐亞這個板塊跟菲律賓海這個板塊的交界是全球地震活動最頻繁的地區之一所以我們台灣有36條那其他的已經陸陸續續公布了從103年陸陸續續全部都公布了還有9條還沒有公布是什麼原因 |
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委員所說明的這個土剛剛左邊這個部分剛好很多都是在都市地區都市地區更要趕快公佈啊你地質看看有困難嗎不是 它有一個困難是它被事後人為的行為改變地形人為的行為是什麼行為就是建築 |
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所以這就是本席要提的重點要請你們趕快做的是產業跟民眾要正確的掌握這個我們地質的資料才不會影響他們生命財產的安全是不是這樣子所以這九條這麼危險市長都說這個九條就是在市區都會區都會區更重要啊開房子的話挖地基挖得更深啊更危險啊所以你們是不是可以趕快公布出來 |
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這個部分地礦中心每年都有一個計畫在做為什麼剩下這9條沒有公布因為這裡面有涉及到 你要判定它是不是所謂的地址10年了 已經10年了不是叫你馬上公布 給你10年的時間 |
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而且一個都會區這麼危險 你的範圍區域要怎麼蓋房子事實上這些除了剛剛次長講的我們要顧慮到有一些新的開發行為之外那另外 我們也要找專家學者收集科學數據去討論我知道 我是說已經給你們十年的時間了為什麼還沒有公布出來 |
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這個我們每年都有規劃一條兩條在做新市鎮的收據你們去探勘去規劃這個區塊的話一條你要花多少多久的時間這個 |
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這個都要好幾年好幾年 是所以這九條你們可不可以先趕快的來處理呢我們都有在陸續規劃市長講的都是最危險的都會去我們會請地方中心依照委員的指導看看怎麼樣跟學者來檢討因為你要確定一個地方有斷層他必須要從古老的地質跟地層的結構來做這些都已經確定是有斷層的地方 |
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所以要把你區劃生範圍出來安全的範圍出來要怎麼樣去開發產業到開發的時候要怎麼樣去注意這個安全危險性在哪裡都要去掌握才能夠防範那目前為止的話我們經濟部在配合不管是相關的開發或是大型的建設只要涉及到區劃地方中心也提供專業的意見比如說是環評的部分地方中心都會提供所以請盡快好不好尤其是9條 |
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非常危險都在渡會 好 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝好 接下來我們請洪麗祥委員召委 請做詢問好 謝謝主席接下來我們有請這個次長我們請次長 |
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我想這個上次我想這個問題還是我們當時提出這個修法的理由不管是在美濃大峽谷、桃園農地、高雄旗山、稻產回田這些都是台灣的土地非常的珍貴我們也不希望這樣的事情再發生 |
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那這整個修法的歷程從我擔任召委這邊的話我們的民眾黨的版本在4月10號我們就先把它提出來然後到4月3號我排了這個巡打那當時來講經濟部還沒有一些的對應的版本但是有很積極的來溝通這個我還是給予這個地質調查跟礦業管理中心的一個肯定 |
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那溝通完之後在我們詢答的時候當然因為那個時候版本還沒出來所以我們就稍微就延宕那時候我記得是邱益穎委員就是希望這個提不出來就提頭來見稍微頭還在因為稍微delay了一點就是你們修法完再到行政院版本所以這個還是稍微delay一點但我還是給你一個鼓勵 |
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那接下來的話這個行政院提送修法那我們今天就繼續再給你們時間做巡查跟處理所以表示我對你們的尊重但是看完之後這樣子的一個版本基本上我覺得 |
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感覺好像還是有點避重就輕首先的話我想我肯定的就是說我們把這一個刑罰這一個列進來這個的確是有嚇阻的作用比單純的罰錢肯定所以這個的話我們也根據跟這個地礦中心這樣的討論 |
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所以我們也是在提出這樣的修正動議所以本黨團也在提出第36條的修正動議把大家一起所期盼的刑法的法則也一併列到我們的版本的修正動議但是我覺得法環這邊的話我覺得還是要提高這樣子的額度因為就如同上次剛剛賴慧文講的其實我們查到的這些不法的獲利大概 |
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6630.1 |
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你說這個才罰個一百萬一千萬對他實在是不痛不癢雖然我們有罰則雖然我們有刑法禁有罰則有這樣的刑法的一個處分但我覺得這是一個態度的問題 |
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縱法、嚴刑我覺得這個是一個態度的問題所以他們的不法獲利大概根據我們這樣去談的話大概就不好了3億還有7億的所以這個3億到7億之間我覺得這個法環就太輕了所以我這邊我還是堅持是說也許我們等一下在討論的時候我們還是把這一個所謂的最低跟天花板再往上來調一下 |
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另外我也希望是按日我覺得也是一個態度的問題因為地方的政府的人耐的是不夠的按次你還是要人去集合反正我就從這一天我查到不法開始直到你改善你這些不法的問題跑掉幹嘛等等我們就再來處罰用按日來計我覺得比較會有這樣子的一個強度這個是我的看法我們在黨團的看法另外的話就是 |
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為什麼這個罰則要把他上限到1億喔剛才中間那邊有人講了很多喔那其實我就覺得你的法條到上次我就說過水域這邊的話罰金上限就是1億啊那你陸地那1000萬看起來就是怪啊又倒到海裡倒到水域的倒到我們的山這個這個河川哈鬼啊啊倒來人家土地哈瘦啊歐洲也倒土地啊 |
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所以我是覺得這個要拉齊啦不要有這樣子的一個法則的落差好那我是肯定你因為我是要漸漸修理農業部農業部要給我裝死裝碎因為土產法是我們很重要的一個法根據這個法下來之後我們還有水保山坡地的保育跟農發這些都屬於農業部管轄到現在還是沒有院辦 |
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我覺得這一點我是肯定這個地礦中心的一個積極的程度因為這個是一個非常非常嚴重的一個問題最後我只有請教這個次長一個問題次長你現在督導的是哪些署啊?農園署、水利署所以產發、商發應該都不歸你產發署跟商發署都沒有?還沒有 |
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那是關於何次長嗎何次長好 何去庚 何次長還有那個杜耀樹我要的資料到現在產發署的資料還沒有給我商發署上次開完記者會蘇巧純的公職人員關係到底他在賭注的時候有沒有然後給我答非所問幫我問一下我要的是立法委員的關係人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
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也就是他姊姊跟他這個到底有沒有填就一句話yes or no有或沒有這樣就好了我也不要為難你們要不要查那麼久就有就有沒有就沒有這個回去麻煩轉告一下這個何次長還有這兩個署首先跟委員報告感謝我沒有要你回答就這樣子謝謝 |
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其實在那個土石採取法 我們5月期間好 來 將相關資料再給趙偉謝謝你們在溝通 謝謝來 次長請回座次長雖然很負責任 還是要講因為時間的關係 謝謝好 謝謝黃趙偉好 謝謝我們有請楊瓊英委員質詢 |
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6849.02 |
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6853.701 |
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市長好 我們繼續討論能源的問題我們看到5月31號台電雲林麥寮風場第17號風力發電機組發生了火災它的機艙距離地面有70公尺 |
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6895.118 |
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所以它燃燒起來的時候因為它的高度過高所以我們整個消防隊人員只能夠在周邊來警戒沒有辦法直接進行滅火的這個作業經濟部也發表了意見也就是說會要求同類型的以及達到一定時用年限的風機加強巡檢 |
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6898.34 |
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6916.176 |
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但是這個說法呢我們認為是不夠的為什麼會說不夠呢因為我們一直在宣示不斷的宣示風電光電這些綠能裝置的容量的一個成果但是沒有跟社會大眾去交代你設置了這個基礎之後那你 |
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那你以後的維護使用它的年限怎麼樣去分期 我們沒有聽到所以當事件發生的時候 社會大眾都在看政府部門到底要告訴我們什麼政府部門要怎麼告訴我們進入老化的中期後的維護機制退換的標準 還有安全管理的制度那所以 |
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6942.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
6966.354 |
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我們看到發電機 齒輪箱 電纜以及控制系統這一些它都有它的一定的壽命那這些壽命在這個過程當中我們要怎樣去檢核 怎麼樣去維護這是民眾所希望聽到的所以首先來請教我們事前的預防制度到底是怎麼樣不要等到事件有了 我們再來補破網來 請次長說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
首先事前的部分如委員所說的針對於這些老舊的機組啊必須要全面的清查部長也有指示請問全面的清查從現在開始嗎我們已經開始在做了什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾你們在日曆多久時間可以全面的清查這個基本上 |
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7018.535 |
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我們現在掌握的這個類型有76組76對 同樣類型那一個月內台電會把這76支所有的這個狀況會做一個確定一個月內也就是這個月底好 繼續做一個巡檢是 做一個巡檢是那有沒有調整怎麼樣的維護安全呢管理機制呢 治理方式呢維護安全的部分我們如何再精進的話我們已經請能源署能不能在三個月內 |
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| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7042.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
針對把整個這個所謂的巡檢的這個結果加強維護管理跟運轉的這個要求的部分把它提出來相關的精進的作業好 三個月內將精進方案給社會大眾因為我們一直在強調要怎麼樣能源轉型那設置之後這一些 |
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維護管理 巡查機制就是非常重要 也是民眾要聽到我們希望要照這個時間把你們的方案提出來接下來本席要請問 中油我們也討論能源的問題政府一直告訴我們 量足價穩 量有夠 價小也要平穩 |
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7066.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7084.651 |
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量 足 價 穩這是現在政府告訴我們的這也是我們現在的目標而且也是目前的成果舉如說量足的部分我們不但是七八九月包括在冬季的部分這個天然氣石油這都已經有secure相關的案子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7092.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
價穩的部分我跟委員分享一個我們現在955千汽油在中油的這個幫忙之下現在是33.9塊新加坡是85.1塊中油的話超過韓國我記得是50.8 |
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| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
針對本席的提問中油吸收了將近1400億因為我們說民生物價一定要穩定不能導致同盆的這個問題所以我們一直要求但是在6月1號的時候你們仍舊這四個字告訴社會大眾也就是量 足 價 穩但是也同步 同步漲了供應用電的5% |
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| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7130.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
我供應用店的話其實上他的所謂的售價的部分跟他的成本差異非常的大 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
7132.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7154.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
差異非常大本席提出這個也就是政府告訴我們的是量足價穩但是一方面工業用電來漲價那會不會導致末端還是一樣會導致通膨的問題這是本席提出請你好好的去思考這個問題還是延後漲價兩個議題工業用電漲價他是要工業使用的天然氣漲價對啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
天然氣要漲價嘛 那等於是工業的成本會漲價嘛 那延續下來本家提出的也就是你的量足價穩價現在沒有穩 有漲了 那量足我們努力在做 但是我看到的是一個社會面向我們會不會因為這樣子導致你的四個字會破口 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
因為會導致最末端的通膨問題還是會產生還是延後來漲價這兩個議題我提供給你好好的我們也思考看看我們也希望能夠穩定讓民生好生活這很重要尤其是傳統產業小攤商都是最辛苦的我們要怎麼樣協助他們 |
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7203.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7229.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
對 中有的包括相關的預算也請委員可以多支持一下當然啊 對不對 所以你的口號要落實你的制度也要真正呈現啊 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝委員支持中有預算 謝謝好 謝謝我們楊瓊玉委員 謝謝再次鄭天才 鄭天才 鄭天才委員接下來我們有請伍麗華委員質詢 |
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7242.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7246.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
謝謝主席 有請賴市長市長好 請您看一下這個圖片為什麼我要秀這張圖片我們先看那個非常美麗的石板屋它坐落在現代建築物的中間 |
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7269.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7297.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
這個是在高雄的多納那多納呢 它是一個古老的部落至少大概聽說有三百年都沒有遷移這個地方那其實在大概五十年前如果你到多納你會發現全部落大概百分之九十以上都是這樣的建物可是呢 因為它是違建 不合法又加上呢 它在面臨修繕的時候土石採取不義 |
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7298.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7307.05 |
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所以我們可以看到慢慢慢慢大概這個已經是部落僅存的兩三間的之一非常的可惜 |
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那我們再看另外一張圖片這個是我們去做勘栽也好 縣勘也好經常可以看得到的畫面就是部落他們可能種植芒果 種植一些農作但是因為就緊鄰我們的河川所以一年一年它的農田幾乎已經全部消失但事實上有一些河川 |
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他要去做標售土石的時候 零元啊你零元也標不出去 沒有人要啊但是部落的人就覺得說難道我不能夠去把那些堆積疏菌的砂石拿來填補我損失的農田嗎但是與法不合所以我在這個地方就是要特別表達其實在原積法對於非盈利自用的部分是有保障的 |
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可是我們也礙於一些母法 它的法令的強度所以我們一直不知道要怎麼辦在時間賽跑之下 很多的東西就失去了那我在上一屆呢 其實有提出土石採取法修法版本 |
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可是沒有機會見天日那這一次很開心喔因為我們的趙偉呢特別排審了土石採取法我們也是搭其他事件的便車啦所以有機會在這個地方重見天日所以呢我就是特別在這個地方讓大家了解為什麼我們要修這個法我們希望就是土石採取法呢它不要變成我們的文化保存的絆腳石 |
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所以在這裡我特別提原基法剛才的原基法提到第19條其實對於獵捕野生動物採集野生植物菌類採取礦物土食利用水資源其實原基法第19條是有提到只要是基於非營利傳統文化既以自用原住民是有這樣的一個豁免 |
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那因此我自己也在112年6月在之前的洪聖翰委員我們一同努力下也把在礦業法裡面這個部分有做修訂那訂定了一個新的原住民基於非營利目的採取礦物免申辦 |
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礦業全辦法那現在我們就是比照希望在土石採取法這個地方呢也能夠去做這樣的一個修訂所以特別在土石採取法的第三條第一項的789款特別呢去增加了就是希望針對土石的部分如果是自用即移傳統灌輸我們可以免申請那另外呢基於公共的 |
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建設的需求或者是修建傳統的建物還有第九項就是防災的需求 美化的需求我們是希望說可以免金申請所以在這邊就是簡單的請教一下次長您的意見 |
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好 謝謝 在過去諸多跟委員在現場會堪那委員剛剛所點出的一個議題也非常感謝委員很早就提出了土石採取法的這個修正草案剛剛委員所提到的一個事情 踐行原住民基本法我們希望在這個土石採取法裡面更把它明確出來除了剛剛委員所講的一些需要之外我們認為只要在這個部落裡面 |
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他去建築所需要的這些的土石的話都可以透過此次的修正來予以落實那在執行上面的話更加的順遂而不只限於原住民基本法所載列的文化記憶或是自用非靈異的行為我們在魔法裡面把它訂定起來比如說委員很知道現在汛期將近很多人要使用 |
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只用土匙來去做一些防汛的準備那這個部分的話經濟部會支持各委員所提出來的立場那我們希望說待會在討論的時候也各位聽聽經濟部的意見跟委員剛剛的心聲我們盡早完成這個法規的修正 |
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謝謝經濟部的一個支持那我也希望在審查的過程中大家能夠一同的支持那在這邊就是代替原住民族人來謝謝因為2005年原基法三讀通過之後留住這樣的條文但是直到現在我們必須在各個的法律裡面去做一個修正那在這邊希望我們大家一同支持謝謝次長也謝謝主席 |
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好 謝謝吳立華委員接下來 待會有邱志偉委員質詢完畢之後休息8分鐘齁那 林倩琦 林倩琦 林倩琦委員接下來我們請邱志偉召委質詢 謝謝那謝主席是不是也有請經濟部內事長請經濟部內事 |
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委員好很快的用四分鐘時間請教市長三個問題就土法不能行那你現在從嚴懲我們立法要嚴懲到實踐會有點落差為什麼這樣講這次修正草案一個重點是強化沒入機制 |
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強化沒入基礎就是說在行政查處的時候就可以沒入載運的車輛跟機械設備不要到最後才做相關的這個阻斷行為所以像這種會做這種組織性或者集團性絕對是有嚴整的分工嚴整的分工它規避所有法律的相關的規定從細節裡面去切割切割再切割 |
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都等到這個在初期的行政違規我們如果沒有注意到慢慢就擴大擴大整個這個塌下來之後就造成這個重大的傷害以至於沒有辦法彌補所以怎麼樣針對你所謂的在你的報告裡面所提到的精準打擊你要如何精準打擊這不是一個口號要有具體的作為 |
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你要針對這些行為你要針對這些行為的特性是它是有集團性集團性就是有分工還有很縝密的規劃所以你怎麼樣透過跟地方政府跟相關我們這個專案單位的這個橫向聯繫包括科技聯防以至於在初期階段就能夠了解這個問題產生的時候 |
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加以立即進入打擊後面就不會發生那麼嚴重的傷害這個我想請教次長您的意見好 謝謝委員指導科技執法是一個非常重要的重點除了科技之外我剛剛也有跟其他委員說明我們可以透過衛星或是無人機的部分來加強我們查地的能力可是你們無人機的預算過了嗎 |
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無人機的預算現在產發署在年度的預算裡面它已經有一個所謂的無人機的一個計畫所以你無人機產發署預算是要執行這個部分的嗎?沒有沒有無人機的應用啊不管是在救災防災或是平常公務的所以你的無人機預算產發署的無人機預算是可以用在查處這個所謂土石盜取的 |
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精準打擊的相關作為嗎是這樣子嗎巡檢的部分因為它是一個各個部分所以結論是說你無人機可以應用在對稻採殺死的這個這個這個查處嘛對不對或者先期的預防嘛對 災害的預防跟巡檢這個部分是很重要無人機的預算非常非常重要對 朝野一定要支持是 是 感謝委員儘快把這個 |
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經濟部的預算特別是無人機預算剛剛審查通過讓你們能夠精準打擊除了這個無人機相關還有什麼其他的做法嗎?就委員講的突發不足以置信行政機關的跨部門的整合聯合的查緝小組這是很重要的一個事情 |
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事實上法務部高檢署他針對於說國土安全的部分一直有一個專案的計畫在做那行政院也有頒布了加強陸域的這個殺死大亂採的處置的方案 |
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那透過這樣子的聯繫的話但是即時發現不法 早期預防 精準打擊 加強查緝對 就是報告你們所寫的嘛我希望不是一個口號就是你如果確實的作為來落實這些你三項重點對 所以我們這次的修法就是參照我們跟其他的檢察官跟地檢署甚至檢察長 法務部執法的單位提到的 |
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你講到這個法華佛是相關的部分這個陸域的道彩它的特性是它具有隱蔽性隱蔽性所以你相關的不像在海域海域我們有海巡弟兄對不對那你這個陸域常常在這個深山裡面 |
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或者人跡罕至之所在 對不對所以它具有一定的隱蔽性 您同意嗎這我同意 我們說針對於說屠城的套制所以你要有相關的誘因去讓這些不法行為能夠被揭發出來 |
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所以在行政院的方案裡面有一個查報的一個獎勵獎金是不是能夠足以能夠提供相關能夠加強對這個陸域倒採隱蔽性能夠加以揭發謝謝委員指導這個方向我們會跟將來在討論方案的修正的時候會提出來 |
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而且你地方政府的這個基層的這個公務人員有沒有相關的查緝能量你也要注意一下是是非常感謝我的關心怎麼去落實查處我關心但是你們要去落實啊是是你中央制定法律制定政策立法院通過修法之後你地方政府怎麼去查處沒有能力你沒有辦法查處啊 |
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那怎麼辦這個人力的這個問題包括資源的這個協處啊特別是中央我們不管是各個局屬都對地方政府所推動的這個業務我們都會來支持啊對啦我是相信我是相信說這個土法要執行一定要充足人力跟預算是相關的機器現科技的設備是謝謝你剛剛講無人機非常重要是那另外這個另外第三個問題 |
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這個整複的你要會整複的保證金有沒有可能入法不要說你要最後復原還要用這個國家預算來這部分你在歐盟美國其他國家都有相關的制度所以你能不能參照這個水保法用相關水保法的這個保證金繳納跟保管應用辦法裡面的精神這個能不能用這個方式 |
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如果萬一發生他業者脫產或行為人士脫產或倒閉拒不准付那這部分怎麼處理 |
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這個我們好好來思考這個問題啦因為這個保證金的加儲的話是不是他會藉此來免除他的這個責任那除此之外的話我們現行在執行法規上面比較會防止他脫產可能會實施情節嚴重或是代理行銷扣押你組織性犯罪行為集團性絕對他後路已經斷好了 |
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他覺得早就脫產了所以你能夠借盡歐盟跟美國這相關的制度歐盟是財務保證美國是婦肯保證金所以這些國家都用這種方式去處理何況我們的情況比他們更嚴重許多對不對 |
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不過這個部分他相關國家的規定是針對合法的這個沙石廠他提出申請的時候可能要有一些的保證金但是非常感謝委員提供這些資料啦我們是不是將來這個法規就通過之後我們必定執法來思考這個我還是很重視就是說執行面執行面一定要有預算又有人力 |
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然後又有設備 有相關的配套制度這點提醒經濟部 修法一定會通過但是要怎麼去落實 要靠跨部會 要靠中央跟地方政府同理合作好 謝謝 好 謝謝委員長好 謝謝邱志偉委員 蔣委員 謝謝榮次郎那我們現在休息八分鐘 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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好 我們繼續開會盧憲一 盧憲一 盧憲一委員葉元之 葉元之 葉元之委員何新淳 何新淳 何新淳委員接下來我們請蔡育委員質詢謝謝主席那我們是不是有請經濟部次長經濟部次長 |
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市長那我想當那是颱風那造成從嘉義布袋登錄嘛那在去年是造成整個嘉義那不管是電線桿倒了兩千多隻那或者是一些復原的事情事實上台電是真的當時是感受就是非常的辛苦 |
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非常感謝委員在那個時候給台電公司跟經濟部的協助當然啦齁這個協助是一定要啦齁只是說我們從那裡可以看出說不管是台電員工或者這一些外包的廠商他們這些員工這個工作量在當時幾乎都是一個超量工作超時工作啦齁 |
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那也礙於說因為大家希望儘速搶修嘛所以就是就有這樣的一個背景之下那當時甚至發生了這個台電的員工齁這個在高峰作業的時候不幸齁那被高壓電去電然後 |
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這個搶救不自然那這個我想是大家心裡的一個痛那我也是希望用這個事情事實上再去點出一些職工福利的問題那我們知道說台電的職工福利他有一個計算模式那經濟部的一個模式是以台電的營業收入他必須要扣除政府的補助收入扣除能 |
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核能後端營運收入以及扣除電價調整因素然後再乘以所謂0.12%再加上下繳料變賣的收入乘以40% |
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那我們也看到說事實上這個0.12%是從95年0.15然後96年是0.13到了102年只剩下0.1那到了現在是恢復到了0.12較往常的0.15是比較低那第二個是因為有這個電價調整因素的存在讓台電的職工福利一直處在於說相對於其他的國營事業職工福利就是比較低 |
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那這個職工福利低當然會金額是差距差不多一萬三千塊但是這會影響到了畢竟還是所有員工的一個士氣問題那我想經濟部既然說我們站在這一個台電確實在這段期間不管是他承擔了國家的很多一些一些電價穩定的一些成本那以及 |
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我們知道說他們在這段時間如果遇到颱風要復電的一個辛苦我們是不是可以進一步來檢討這一套計算模式呢非常感謝委員對於我們台電同仁的關心台電有3萬多個員工那剛剛委員所垂詢的問題在民國97年的時候立法院有做這個決議把對價漲調漲的這個因素把它當為減項 |
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那我們也期待說或是未來卓氏大院可以來支持的話可以讓我們的所有的國營事業特別是台電公司在這個部分有可以得到一個改善那近年來經濟部協助台電公司不管是從員工基層員工的收入的部分有證照的部分我們要來加薪那委員所垂詢的這個部分我們是不是期待我們 |
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所以市長你的意思是說因為在97年的時候有立法院的決議認為說必須要把電價調整調漲因素列為這個台電職工福利計算的一個檢向那如果這個決議我們現在如果立法院再形成一個新的決議你們經濟部也是支持這樣來讓我們職工台電員工的職工福利可以來提高嗎 |
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我們會依照這個立法院的這個決議來辦理相關預算的編列好那我再問第二個這個關於自來水的問題是這個我相信次長一定很清楚經濟部在補助這個管線自來水管線的延伸你們還是有一套計算模式是計算模式大概是以每戶他的成本大概是80萬 |
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那如果是遇到在水庫的水源地那以及原住民原民區原住民保留地那會提高到100萬那我現在有我比較在意的是在這個100萬這100萬就是說 |
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因為他就在水庫的水源地基本上水庫的水源地第一負數比較少 負數也不多但是他周邊都是一直長久是沒有自來水的縱使要用也要用簡易自來水可是簡易自來水又得讓他們去負擔為後端營運的一個費用 |
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那以他們在自來水庫旁邊 比如說我們嘉義 咱們水庫咱們水庫是在我們嘉義的大埔鄉他們那裡基本上本身這個交通就不便 |
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你要叫他們發展水庫周邊的一個觀光產業也沒有那麼簡單發展我們知道那裡最近才一家那裡的一個旅社也是停下來了 |
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對 所以就是說如何讓至少在水庫住在水庫附近的居民有自來水可以吃 有自來水所以我感覺這個是我們應該去協助他們我們應該協助他們所以我們當時訂了這一百萬當然是說相對於平原區他們接管他們的比例是他們需要的當然是這個看起來是一百萬可是 |
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這一百萬對於說他們這個火手本身的救啊所以他們還是處在一個看得到吃不到所以有沒有可能來檢討這一個一百萬就是說我就住在水庫旁邊我們家事實上我們這個火手也是比較救有的就這樣不然事情也會提高到一倍一百六十萬這樣 |
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首先感謝委員 因為我們水庫一年百合賣可能就差一兩百多元差重點 對啦 要刷訂那成本很高的嘛 是是是過去這六十萬我們現在提供到八十萬 甚至於說水庫的部分 水庫幣我們提供到一百萬 |
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我現在有兩個方向來處理啦一個方向就是說是不是台水公司啊儲水池啊可以增加譬如說我們最近在阿里山那裡儲水池增大的時候它不要攤提到這個整個的沿管的成本裡面它供水可以穩定那至於說那些所謂的無自來水地區或是簡易自來水設施在今年應該是去年 |
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前年那個卓院長有核定了無自來水地區供水改善計畫對於所謂的簡易自來水的部分補助儲水設施然後加裝所謂的淨水設施的這個部分來努力那至於剛剛委員所講的這些個案我們用個案來做一個檢討看看怎麼樣可以減少那個成本的分子的部分分母的部分沒有辦法改變嘛 |
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分母是固定的分子當然是讓它減少下來那分母的部分我是覺得說有沒有可能進一步去檢討因為我們現在是抓100那100我們不能說因為它就是在水庫旁邊那能不能檢討一下就是說120也好 |
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對不對 你把他拿高起來 他們要去爭取這個預算的機會才會提高不然你現在來說 本來他們那邊設定的一戶一戶都是距離很遙遠啊對啊 因為對的 住在水庫旁邊沒有水塘用這是很荒謬的啦 我是覺得說我們這裡就是水庫旁邊水質水源保護區所以我們土地又受到更大的限制 |
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在這樣的限制之下,我們連最基本的自來水沒辦法吃,沒出來最好吃。我覺得這些是有一點呈現就是說,早期國家在發展的時候,對於一些居民的一個矛盾點。那我們現在整體的國家現在稅收是看起來, |
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是正成長的 稅收很好至少多拿一點預算然後來解決這些矛盾的事情不然說出來真的會被罵我們做的水庫瓶 我沒有做到最好吃這主流網都有啦 是我們就依照委員的指示的方向你們檢討看看啦 當然你剛才說的如何減少分子 把蓄水池加大還是怎樣 但是 |
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我們如果那思考的是叫做簡易自來水簡易自來水永遠還是有後端的營運成本那後端的營運成本還是得讓這些居民他們得去成立一個如何管理簡易自來水所以又要負擔額外的一個費用 |
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所以包括入休費啦 挖入這些費用分子的部分我們來檢討一下是啊 入休費我們事實上也可以找縣政府或是公路局就是說如果要入休的時候 一併入休那就把入休費不要納為我們這一次嚴管的它的費用的一個分子裡面這個都可以討論嘛對對對 我們來設想好不好好不好 好 謝謝好 我們謝謝這個蔡議員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
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登記發言委員除不在場外 取決於發言完畢 詢答結束委員 邱毅銀 鄭天才 陳超明 柯志恩所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位一週內以書面答覆並複製本會委員並要求期限者從期鎖定 |
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我們現在進行逐條討論請議事人員宣讀所有條文若有修正動議及附帶決議請一併宣讀宣讀完畢後再進行協商請宣讀土石採取法部分條文修正草案委員吳麗華等人提案第三條增訂第一項第七款其原住民於原住民族地區內因傳統文化忌遺或非營利目的採取少量土石者 |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
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增訂第一項第八款 原住民於原住民族地區內因新修建傳統石板屋形式之住宅、機關學校、教會或公共設施而需要石板者與同現行條文委員黃仁等人提案第三條 修正第一項第六款原住民依原住民族基本法第十九條規定採取土石者 |
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增訂第一項第七款 其因新修建原住民族傳統聚會所石板屋或地下屋等形式之住宅教會機關學校或公共設施所需者第二項修正前項第六款及第七款採取土石之數量由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關公告之與同線型條文 |
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委員鄭天才等人提案第三條 增訂第一項第七款 欺原住民或部落於原住民族地區及傳統領域 |
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內因傳統文化跡遺或非營利目的致用者 增訂第一項第八款八原住民族地區內因新修建傳統石板屋形式之住宅機關學校教會或公共設施而需要石板才者 與同現行條文委員鄭天才盧憲宜等人修正動議第三條第一項第六款及第七款同委員黃仁第一項第六款及第七款 增訂第一項第八款八原住民族 |
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原住民部落為實施部落自主災救災防救環境維護需求於原住民族地區內採取少量土石工工藝或非營利墓地使用者第二項同委員黃仁等人提案 |
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前項第六款第七款第八款採取土石數量由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機構公告之餘同現行條文委員鄭天才等人修正動議第三條同委員鄭天才等人提案委員中嘉賓吳麗華等人修正動議第三條 |
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增訂第一項第七款七原住民或部落於原住民族土地一原住民族基本法第十九條第一項第三款規定採取土石者 |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9514.919 |
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增訂第八款八原住民族土地內因新修建原住民傳統石板屋或地下屋等形式之住宅教會機關學校聚落所或公共設施所需者增訂第九款原住民或部落於原住民族土地未實施部落自主災害防救環境美化與維護所需者 |
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第二項莫具增訂涉及原住民及原住民族部落者由中央主管機關會同原住民族委員會定之與同現行條文委員黃仁提案第十四條直轄縣市主管機關審核申請土石採取 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9555.568 |
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許可案時應會同水利水土保持交通環境保護土地使用土地管理及其他與申請案件地點相關機關實地勘查經依法審核任務為凡足 |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
主管法令請示因許可者提送審核結果並同申請書件報請中央主管機關附和後由直轄縣市主管機關核發土石採取許可證前項申請案件地點位於原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地 |
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土石採取申請人應依原住民族基本法第21條規定辦理委員鄭天才等人提案第14條增訂第二項前項申請案件地點位於原住民族土地或部落之公私有土地及部落周邊一定範圍內之公有土地土石採取申請人應依原住民族基本法第21條規定辦理委員鄭天才等人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9632.872 |
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修正動議第14條同委員鄭天才等人提案委員鍾嘉斌吳立華等人修正動議第14條新增第二項前項申請土石採取許可之土地位於原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地者土石採取申請人應依原住民族基本法第21條規定辦理與同現行條文 |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9665.139 |
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行政院提案第36條第一項修正未經許可採取土石者儲新台幣100萬元以上1000萬元以下法源並得沒入行為人使用之載運車輛或其他機械設備直轄縣市主管機關應限其令行為人依第六項規定完成整復該場址及清除其設施 |
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9665.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9687.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
借其未完成者處心台幣十萬元以上兩百萬元以下法源並按次處罰必要時得由直轄市縣市主管機關代為整複該場址及清除其設施其費用由行為人負擔增訂第三項意圖營利有第一項未經許可採取土石情形者處五年以 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9705.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
以下有期徒刑 得併科新台幣五千萬元以下罰金 增訂第四項前項情形滯釀成災害者處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑 得併科新台幣六千萬元以下罰金 因而致人與死死死者無 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9727.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
處無期徒刑或7年以上有期徒刑得併科新台幣1億元以下罰金至重傷者處3年以上10年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣8千萬元以下罰金現行條文第三項一列為第五項並著修文字增訂第六項第一項整附不得使用廢棄物整附 |
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| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9744.373 |
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得使用之物料實施方法及其他相關事項由中央主管機關、會商主管機關公告之。於同現行條文,委員邱毅英等人提案第36條第一項行政法源修正處新台幣100萬元以上、2500萬元以下法源 |
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連續處罰法源修正為處新台幣10萬元以上500萬元以下法源莫具增訂若土地所有人明知有未經許可採取土石之行為而未通報主管機關者得視為行為人處罰等文字增訂第二項運輸不罰土石之駕駛人得吊扣其駕駛執照6個月至1年 |
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情形重大者或雷犯者得廢止其駕駛執照 增訂第三項車行或運輸業者明知其所屬車輛涉入未經許可才取或運輸土石 |
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人提供車輛或縱容其駕駛人為之者處刑台幣兩百萬元以上一千萬元以下法源並得調扣或廢止其車輛行駛駕照現行條文第二項及第三項第一為第四項及第五項與同現行條文委員賴樂榮等人提案第三十六條第一項行政法源修正為處刑台幣一千萬元以上五億元以下法源 |
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連續處罰法源修正為新台幣100萬元以上1000萬元以下法源及著修文字外與同線型條文委員許智傑等人提案第36條第一項聚首修正未經許可採取土石者及土地所有人之稀有未經許可採取土石之行為為主動通報主管機關者處新台幣200萬元以上1000萬元以下法源連續處罰法 |
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原修正為處新台幣20萬元以上200萬元以下法源 增訂第二項自身水土流失或毀損水土保持之前項行為者處6月以上5年以下有期徒刑 得併科新台幣100萬元以上罰金但其情節輕微可 前可 |
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閩述者得減輕或免除其刑增訂第三項第一項刑刑至釀成災害者加重其刑至二分之一因而至人與死者處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金至重傷者處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金 |
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現行條文第二項及第三項定義為第四項及第五項與同現行條文委員柯之恩等人提案第36條第一項行政法源修正處心台幣一千萬元以上五千萬元以下法源連續處罰法源修正為處心台幣一百萬元以上一千萬元以下法源增訂第二項前項自身水浦 |
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流失污染或毀損水土保持之處理與維護設施者處六個月以上五年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣以六十萬元以下罰金有棄置廢土廢棄物或其他足以置身公共危險者處五年以以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣五十萬元以上五百萬元以下罰金增訂第三項第二項情形質量 |
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成災害者加重其刑制二分之一 |
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因而致人於死者處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣一百萬元以上一百萬元以下罰金致重傷者處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣八十萬元以下罰金現行條文第二項及第三項第一為第四項及第五項與同現行條文委員邱正軍等人提案第三十六條第一項行政法源修正處新台幣一千萬元以上五千萬元以下法源 |
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連續處罰罰員修正為處新台幣一百萬元以上一千萬元以下罰員莫二據增訂直轄縣市主管機關因聯合環境主管機關與整複前後確認有無填埋廢棄物情形如有填埋廢棄物除因依 |
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依法處罰並應辦理清除及整復與同現行條文委員陳廷飛等人提案第36條第一項具首修正未經許可採取土石者其及土地所有人之稀有未經許可採取土石行為且主動通報主管機關者 |
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處新台幣500萬元以上2500萬元以下罰原連續處罰罰原修正為處新台幣50萬元以上500萬元以下罰原增訂第二項前項行為自身水土流失或毀損水土保持之情節嚴重者處6個月 |
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以上五年以下有期徒刑得病科刑台幣一千萬元以下罰金增訂第三項運輸不罰土石之駕駛人得吊扣其駕駛執照六個月至一年情節重大者或累犯者得廢止其駕駛執照現行條文第二項及第三項第一為第四項及第五項與同現行條文委員丁學中等人提案第三十六條第一項 |
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行政法源修正處新台幣100萬元以上1500萬元以下法源並得沒入行為人使用之機械設備及載運車輛直轄縣市主管機關並因限期令其行為人完成該長職整複及清除其設施借其為完成者連續處 |
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連續處罰罰原修正為處新台幣10萬元以上200萬元以下罰原增訂第三項意圖營利有第一項未經許可採取土石傾行者處三年以上有期徒刑得併科新台幣3000萬元以下罰金現行條文第三項定義為第四項並著修文字與同現行條文台灣民眾黨團提案第36條第一項行政罰原修正處新台幣2000萬元以上1億元以下罰原 |
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連續處罰法源修正為處新台幣200萬元以上2000萬元以下法源 如同現行條文委員林倩琴等人提案第36條第一項行政法源修正為處新台幣1000萬元以上5000萬元以下法源連續處罰法源修正為新台幣100萬元以上1000萬元以下法源 增訂第二項前項置身污染水土流失或毀損水土保持之處理與維護設施者處6個月6 |
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處六月以上五年以下有期徒刑得併科興台幣六十萬元以下罰金有棄置營建剩餘土石方廢棄物或其他置身公共危險者處一年以上五年以下有期徒刑得併科興台幣一千五百萬元以下罰金增訂第三項第二項情形至釀成災害者加重其刑至二分之一因而置人於死者處五年以上 |
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12年以下有期徒刑 得病科新台幣100萬元以下罰金 致重傷者處3年以上10年以下有期徒刑 得病科新台幣80萬元以下罰金現行條文第二項及第三項 第一為第四項及第五項 與同現行條文 |
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委員徐巧興等人提案第36條同委員柯志恩等人提案委員汪洪威等人提案第36條除第1項第3具起修正並得沒入行為人使用之機械設備或載運車輛直轄縣市主管機關並應縣期令行為人依第6項規定完成整復該場址 |
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及清除其設施 藉其為完成者按日連續儲新台幣10萬元以上200萬元以下罰原並得按次處罰及第三項意圖盈利儲新台幣3000萬元以下罰金外於同行政院提案委員廖偉祥等人提案第36條同行政院 |
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提案委員洪玉祥等人所提修正動議第36條第一項修正未經許可採取土石者處心台幣2000萬元以上1億元以下法源並應沒入行為人 |
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並因沒入行為人使用之機械設備及載運車輛直轄縣市主管機關並因限其令行為人完成該長職整複及清除其設施藉其未完成者應按日連續處新台幣200萬元以上2000萬元以下罰員至整複及清除完成為止或由直轄縣市主管機關令定其限待為整複及清除其設施 |
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其費用由行為人負擔於同行政院提案第二項至第五項委員邱毅英等人提案第37條莫具罰還修正為 |
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儲新台幣100萬元以上2500萬元以下罰還 於同現行條文委員賴瑞榮等人提案第37條 莫具罰緩修正為儲新台幣1000萬元以上1億元以下罰還 於同現行條文委員邱益穎等人提案第38條第二句罰緩修正為儲新台幣100萬元以上1000萬元以下罰還 於同現行條文委員賴瑞榮等人提案第38條第二句 |
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法環修正為儲新台幣500萬元以上5000萬元以下法環與同現行條文委員邱正軍等人提案第38條第二句法環修正為儲新台幣100萬元以上500萬元以下法環與同現行條文台灣民眾黨團提案第38條第二句法環修正為儲新台幣500萬元以上 |
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兩千五百萬元以下罰還並著修文字與同線型條文委員林倩琦等人提案第三十八條同委員邱政軍等人提案委員邱毅英等人提案第三十九條續文罰還修正為儲新台幣一百萬元以上一千萬元以下罰還第二項莫具增訂 |
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該區域土石五年內禁止採取土石以回復環境等文字外於同現行條文委員賴樂榮等人提案第39條序文序文罰還修正為儲新台幣200萬元以上1000萬元以下罰還與同現行條文委員邱正軍等人提案第39條序文罰還修正為 |
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儲新台幣100萬元以上500萬元以下罰還與同現行條文委員林倩琦等人提案第39條同委員邱政軍等人提案委員邱毅英等人提案第40條續文罰還修正為儲新台幣20萬元以上500萬元以下罰還與同現行條文台灣民眾黨黨團提案第41條第一項續文罰還修正為儲新台幣30萬元以上 |
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三百萬元以下罰還第一項第二具第二款墨具增訂或其記載內容與實際莊宅者不符者等文字增訂第二項前項行為自土石非法流入農地林地山坡地水源保護區或有記載不實偽造者主管機關應加重處罰並得廢止其土石採取許可宣讀完畢 |
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好 我們先休息等一下我們在等委員進來之前休息多久 |
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你唱不出名字。你唱不出名字。你唱不出名字。你唱不出名字。你唱不出名字。 |
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是這樣嗎是這樣 |
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謝謝大家 |
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然後就踩在那邊去 踩在那邊去 |
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蜜桃 |
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鞭筍 |
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響鐘 |
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蜂蜜 |
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這裏面的位置還蠻差的這裏面的位置還蠻差的這裏面的位置還蠻差的這裏面的位置還蠻差的這裏面的位置還蠻差的 |
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沒了沒了沒了沒了沒了 |
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這裏有個機器在那裏有個機器在那裏這裏有個機器在那裏 |
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檢查也是這樣做 |
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謝謝收看,下次見 |
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這件事情我都試過,那我可能再說一遍,是不是?因為我剛到我的身上,我的第一的耳機,因為我記得,因為我以前在台灣,你看到我把耳機的耳機給我用一手,就是這樣,這樣你聽不聽得懂,就是這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣,這樣, |
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蜂蜜 |
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這裏有個大廈,是一間大廈 |
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蜂蜜 |
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蕃茄 |
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謝謝收看,下次見 |
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蕃茄 |
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OK 沒事 |
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謝謝大家 |
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主席 |
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嗯嗯 |
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謝謝觀看 |
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我可以来整齐吗 |
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這間餐廳有很多不同的餐廳,例如餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳 |
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好 我們現在協商土石採取法部分條件修正草案那我們先從第三條開始討論那這個請經濟部說明一下 |
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首先有關於第三條的部分剛剛武力法委員已經提到了在原住民落實原住民積分法的部分那經濟部是同意說把相關所需要的需求再透過這次的修正動議在原來第三條的條文裡面做一個修改不過我們是建議說是不是它的文字的話第一個樣態的部分我們是同意 |
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但是實施的區域是不是比如說在第3條的第1項第7款的部分武力法委員提案說原住民或部落於原住民族土地那我們建議說是把它改成原住民依原住民基本法第19條 |
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第一項第三款規定那這個不要去區分說這個部落或是原住民族土地讓執法人員可以更得到可以在執行上面的需求第八條的部分我們也是建議同樣的修正第八款第九款都是如此好謝謝次長主席我同意次長的修正意見 |
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所以我們建議第三條第一項第七款修正為原住民依原住民基本法第十九條第一項第三款規定採取土石者第八條增訂因新修建原住民傳統石板屋或地下屋等形式之住宅教會機關學校聚會場所或公共設施使用者增訂第九款原住民族部落 |
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實施部落自主防災防救與環境維護所需者以上 |
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好 以上文字主席我這邊沒因為剛剛我收到那個鄭天才委員他在這一個就是說他認為這樣子的修正動議在沒有把那個部落於原住民族地區跟傳統領域內因傳統文化技藝等等這寫進去他覺得範圍會比較小一點如果按照這個你剛剛念的你們經濟部的回應會是什麼 |
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因為他很堅持他就是很堅持在14條裡面就會顯示了我們現在談第三條鄭天才委員所說的修正動議他的第三條第七款跟第八七八這兩個他很堅持那個主席 |
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因為本來那個那個吳委員所寫的修緣動議是參考那個對不對有把各個原住民委員的意見納進去沒有因為我本來就有版本那我只是因為基於 |
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地礦中心我們有來辦公室討論所以我做了尊重意見做了這樣的修正但是沒有關係主席我補充一下那個意思因為最主要是那個原基法的第十九條因為我原本就是寫因傳統文化記憶或非營利目的那其實那個就是原基法第十九條的文字對那個本來 |
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那個就是鄭天才委員所期待修正的就是我剛剛念的第七款原住民基本法第十九條第一項第三款規定其實說那個我的意思是說換他換換要因為那個意思我知道因為他現在是後面這個因傳統這個我有他現在說因傳統文化既已或非營利目的的自用者他認為說這個使用的範圍會這個 |
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吳立懷委員的修正動議然後經濟部針對修正動議再提出文字修正這件事已經達成共識假設說鄭天才委員是那麼重視他應該能要來現場跟他一起討論 |
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如果再透過其他委員來轉述的話我想他的是不是他的這個想法是不是能夠確實能夠反映出來所以我是覺得剛才那個市長 |
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剛剛那個召委所轉述鄭明財委員他的意見你們要不要去找他溝通啊那個法條是不是已經有包含在裡面了有有有我可以補充嗎有跟他主任溝通過啦對我補充一下那個是這樣子來龍去脈是這樣這土石採取法是我領先 |
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我領銜我是用我自己的版本做修正動議那我的版本是其他委員拿來參考那我要講的是說我之所以會同意做尊重他們的意見因為地礦中心有來辦公室是因為基於法例的問題因為我原本是希望這樣子把它寫清楚但是他們是建議說應該是把原基法這個直接寫比較好其實它是一樣的東西 |
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我做這樣的說明 所以我才會同意做修正動議 尊重他們的意見 |
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這樣好不好 因為這一條的話因為他這個很堅持我先保留 等一下我們再回來討論我們先就沒有我是建議剩天才委員會堅持他應該本委員來沒有 我們原力沒有在場就不需要我當早委如果提案委員不在場我就直接就處理了因為不能透過其他的委員來轉述他的意見那這樣子會沒有辦法很精確的去而且他的版本本來就是根據我的版本而來 |
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所以我是建議昭偉他如果真的那麼的堅持那麼重視的話他本來應該來來會議室跟大家一起討論沒關係啦容我我最後因為他在趕的路上所以容我就是我們先把這個其他沒有這個因為我們 |
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今天的話 因為原名的話這邊還有14的話他就沒有什麼特別的堅持主席我也希望尊重我在場 我當然知道因為我還有交通委員會的質詢我也是一直在這邊等等一下我怕過號先讓我保留一下好不好 可以嗎 |
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拜託一下啦我先把其他沒有在14點就沒有問題啊可是我不理解因為第一他不在場第二他的版本是根據我原來的版本而來那我都已經做所以你們認為說這樣子的條文已經有涵蓋嗎因為鄭天下委員講的他比較限縮吳立華委員講的我剛剛依照吳立華委員的版本第七款第八款第九款都已經涵蓋到甚至是傳統文化記憶其他自用的更多 |
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所以這個部分並沒有違背他的這個精神完全沒有違背啊更何況那個原住民基本法的第21條的裡面19條裡面應稅刑的本來就要做的我知道啊因為當時我在看的時候我是覺得說因為已經用原期法那個東西了因為那一條就是這個文字 |
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只是我尊重那個經濟部的意見跟園民會的意見因為直接把法寫進去比較好而不是把它掏出來寫文字因為看起來就是第19條第1項的第3款那一個 是不是 是所以我才會尊重同意做這樣的一個修正動議好 |
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那我們就先這樣子好不好那這條就先怎麼樣就先照你們的謝謝主席你如果保證保證的話就是這樣因為我是看起來就是第19條第1條第3項好再來第14條第14條我們是競表支持並建議採用武力法委員提案的內容他的提案的內容在第14條的第 |
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二項 增列文字其增列文字如下前項申請土石採取許可之土地位於原住民族土地或部落或其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地者土石採取 |
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申請人應依原住民基本法第21條規定辦理就是按照吳委員的那個最新的修正動議2對1版本期復議支持按照吳立華委員的修正動議通過好 這個我也沒有意見謝謝主席 謝謝所以第3條跟第4條都結束了對 謝謝 |
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14條OK 好 |
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好接下來的話我們第36條36條這裡面涉及各款的部分包括提高罰則提高罰則事實上行政院版跟委員王宏威跟廖偉祥的這個版他提案的版本跟行政院版是一致的那除此之外的話我們是認為說維持現行的這個條文的下限而上限的話提高到1000萬元 |
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這個部分可以有效的遏止不法所以第36條的第一項的這個部分我們建議如上的修正除此之外的話針對於得沒入行為人使用之載運測量或其他機械設備除此之外的話那個按日計法的部分把它改成按次計法 |
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然後除此之外第1項第2項第3項的部分增列異土營利有第1項未經許可採取土石行刑者處5年以下有期徒刑並得病科新台幣5000萬元以下罰金這也是行政院版所載然後第4項的部分前項行刑至 |
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量成障礙者處1年以上7年以下有期徒刑的病科新台幣6000萬元以下罰金冒號因而致人於死者處無期徒刑或7年以上有期徒刑的病科新台幣1億元以下罰金致重傷者處3年以上10年以下有期徒刑的病科新台幣8000萬元以下罰金 |
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那除此之外下項的部分依照行政院版有關於犯罪有使用的船舶載運的車輛那不問行為人與否得目收支 |
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那最後一項的部分第一項的整復不得使用廢棄物整復得使用之物料實施方法及其他有關事項由中央主管機關會商相關主管機關公告之這也是今天主要修法的內涵那諸多委員的提案都跟行政院版一致建議委員會予以支持 |
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邱委員 邱議員因為這個36條的部分有很多委員提案那真正提案委員在場只有邱議員還有我們召委 洪委員其他包括柯志恩 丁學忠 徐曉欣 廖偉祥等等 |
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都沒有來嘛 所以我是建議剛剛這個賴次長提到院版的部分是大家最大的共識嘛沒有錯嘛院版是大家最大的共識嘛王文威委員跟廖偉祥委員提案是跟院版一致的是啊所以我是建議本席建議就是36條部分就按照院版來通過但是要通過之前要聽我們這個邱英英委員的意見 |
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那個主席那個次長我請教一下我的版本裡頭有談到這個運輸不法的土石的駕駛人要去調扣他們的執照駕照的部分那以及這個運輸業者也必須要有同等的這些罰款可是在院版裡頭這個部分是沒有提到的這可不可以說明一下你們的立場如果說把這個 |
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加進去 行政院的態度是什麼那有沒有治案難行的地方因為基本上是跟他所謂的犯罪行為有關的使用的機具的部分不管是沒入沒收這邊有規範至於駕照的這個部分特別其他的比如說交通管理的辦法所以我們認為說那個回到那邊去做管理就可以了 |
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也另外跟委員報告是我們有事先有請教過相關的辦案的這個檢察官他認為依照我們的修法增訂行者的部分已經可以達到嚇阻的作用所以建請委員那予以支持這樣回答邱議員好 |
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邱義雲因為駕照跟那個沒有關係沒關係 你先思考沒有問題啊不是 因為駕照跟這個是屬於交通裁罰的部分所以不在我們這個是好 這樣OK 好 了解好 因為現在這一條的話我們黨團這邊的版本跟你行政院的版本最大的差異就是在於罰金 |
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那當時的話在你剛剛引用的是說你對決版本雖然我的版本這邊是最高的但是我們是不是可以折衷一下因為你這邊來講的話是把它對到你現在的罰款的話是差不多才100萬以上1000萬以下剛我說過這個 |
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還有第二點的不同就是案日跟這個案次嘛原本所以呢我現在這邊的版本的話呢基本上就是兩千萬到一億我是覺得這樣有嚇阻最好那如果你覺得這樣太多那你造行政的版本我又覺得太低我們是會折衷啊比如說一千到五千萬首先跟委員做兩點的說明啊我們為什麼說罰金的部分這次啊增訂罰則 |
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事實上從過去的案子裡面來看的話 罰則是更有嚇阻作用罰則我同意啦 罰則在我的修正動議會那罰金的部分除了第三條本法的第三條所規定剛剛有修正通過的版本之外 |
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他即便採取兩立方若是你都要跟他罰兩千萬以上的話這個未免不符合比例原則所以我們建議說是不是照院版的部分一百萬到一千萬這個中間來做一個論處可是他的不法獲利剛剛賴樂旺也講我剛剛也講就三億到七億那麼多 |
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那不法暴力的部分因為他有涉及到意圖盈利的部分那意圖盈利的部分的話得病科將來這個法官 |
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檢察官在求刑或是檢察官在採取的話更得病科罰金特別是依照他的不管是意圖的盈利財產犯罪的部分或是加重量乘災害或是重傷致人於死的部分更得病科罰金提高到最重致人於死他的刑度可以到7年到無期徒刑甚至是病科罰金在1億元左右所以我們認為這樣子的配套是否 |
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已經足夠了請委員會建材對啊所以我是說我也同意說假設我們原本的版本太高所以我現在是說你現在是一百到一千嘛那我現在是說你未經許可因為未經許可對我來講就是那個態度要出來啊 |
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我補充說明一下在地方採取土石如果是以盈利的當然我希望那個加重罰緩那個上限我認為是要提高但是我的基本款的 |
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地板就是我的minimum其實你是要看它的這個情節輕重啦它有時候它是無心的或者是不經意的它其實沒有惡意盜採可是我的minimum我的地板已經就把它置定在您的版本是五千萬是不是 |
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沒有 我的版本是2000那我是把它往下修到1000那你如果說一開始就把它2000萬的話其實我修這個東西是改成1000啦其實有一些農民他是無心之過啦但是你的minimum如果是給他2000的話那對他來講他根本沒有辦法去支付這個金額啦我們現在要治的是那一些惡意的盜採或者是惡意販售的這一種 |
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但是有一些犯案情節比較輕微的其實我覺得那個樓地板是可以維持在那裡那我反而覺得我們的天花板其實是要再往上拉高一點的所以我的版本是1000到2500那100到2500對啦100到2500行政院的版本是100到1000所以我是覺得那個樓地板那個天花板是可以再往上拉這個論點我也支持就是你如果minima |
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對不對 那那個上 上限就是給一個upper的棒的就往上嘛我跟委員說明一下啦 在執行的實務上面會先刑後行政法所以刑法的部分就已經有那麼高的一個裁處了那你今天的話 因為刑法已經裁處完了行政法的部分的話 當然則從眾論處嘛 |
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那這個在法律的用於上從一種論處的處斷的部分我們認為說現在這樣應該是足夠了現在就是我們對司法都不相信所以我們才會說在法則上你就是有個態度的問題嘛你現在就推要司法 我也都可以啊不是 我們是法治國是不是法治國 我也知道你在說法治國對 我意思是說 |
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現在邱委員跟我也是同樣的意見我跟董事長說你現在minima我也可以認同邱委員講對不對有些農民這樣子但是那個天花板啊 |
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如果minimum100那您可以接受 我可以那我們就minimum就不改嘛 下限不改下限不改嘛 下限還是100嘛那現在就是我的案子是2500嘛其他委員有5000丁薛忠委員是1500徐巧欣委員是5000廖偉祥委員是1000這是跟行政院版一樣 然後昭偉的是我修正動議是5000 |
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好吧 那 |
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我們是下線的部分下線我們不動啦那我們是建議說上線的部分上線看似到2000嘛依照邱委員剛剛的這個建議我們是2500啊你要不要叫2500再把它提高2500好了好不好對啊 照你們的版本嘛我就從一億變5000 5000再打折了是我們這種邱委員版本我是覺得我們有時候就是 |
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希望這個法都不要用到對不對真的話就是那個態度啦好不好好這個這個我們把他共識在這一條的話就是minimum就是100上限的話就是照邱毅民委員2500萬這樣子然後那個邱毅民委員那個調扣駕照什麼那些我們就不用了對不對是是是 |
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還有一個連續法的部分這個事實上我們最近在做一些法規的修改法務部都是有建議啦是不是原本按日計裁的部分啊當然有時候會涉及到幫他疏遠的一個情形事實上要去裁法公務人員就要去看所以每天每次都要去看有去看的話那你來開法那這人民也更加的可以信服啊 |
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所以這個是不是只有土池採取法修法的體力那是各個法我們的修法法務部都如此的建議所以說是不是建議參查法務部的建議按次對按次然後是兩百萬嘛行政院兩百萬我同意按次啦沒有他是十萬以上兩百萬以下喔可是邱毅委員版本是十萬以上五百萬以下嘛 |
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然後我的版本的話應該就是200萬以上 2000萬以下所以這個要搭配啊因為你今天第一項的那個所謂的罰款第一次繳財主然後你們覺得是按次比較好嗎我還是覺得按日欸不是 那個法務部是不是可以補充說明一下因為這個是一個所謂的行政法所修訂的一個通則一個通例啦來 您說明啦您到前面啦 |
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谢谢主席跟各位委员的垂询那关于这个暗刺处罚跟暗日处罚的部分的话因为近年来的这个立法其实都是采暗刺处罚那刚才委员在那个垂询的时候有讲到是不是他其实在依照司法院市制604号解释还有最高行政法院的108年度的一个庭长联席会议的决议也都是说基于行政法法的一个一行为不二法的一个原则之下那基本上 |
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你必须去处罚就算你是写按日处罚他也必须每次去集合说他是不是确实没有没有去履行他的义务你才可以按日处罚并不是说我今天按日处罚就可以一次他三天没清我就一次处罚三天的数额并不是这样子他还是必须要 |
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如果你要每天的話你也是得每天都要去確認說他的義務有沒有完成沒有完成的話你要符合那個送達就是再次通知他要處罰這樣子才可以做到按日處罰那所以說最後的意思就是你還是要每天都去稽查你才有可能每天處罰他並不是說我放著三天我就可以把數額一次按照日數來算所以最後的結果其實你還是按次去 |
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集合然後做一些罰款的處分那這樣的結果來看的話所以如果用暗刺處罰的一方面是比較符合現在的立法體力那另外一方面的話也可以讓執法機關在實務上比較高的彈性他可以看這個情況嚴重的程度來去決定他暗刺處罰的密度有多高那以上就是一些法治上的意見給委員參考請教一下理事 理事長好暗刺處罰實務上是不可行 |
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按日處罰目前在蠻多有一些法律都還是有這樣子的用語但是依照在實務上 我說實務上實務上按日處罰你還是必須如果你要按日處罰你還是要每天去做對對對我不講說按日處罰還不是按照日我合約不履行還不是按照日目前可是依照市制的話你要負責行政法行政法我如果說我今天不知道怎麼說也是法案按日處罰 |
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那可能要去看一下稅務的處罰但目前來看如果是要稅務是刑法還是行政法看是我可能要確認一下那個稅務方面的一個他是用行政法還是行責的規定你說的是樣態不一樣啦對對對樣態不一樣因為稅務是按日是可以嘛那你這個是按日按次是不是有資金上有很大的落差嘛所以你最後要回購到按次嘛 |
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建議採行政院的審議的版本 按次處罰那以上意見給委員跟主席參考 謝謝我是同意啦 我同意可以把我的提案改成按次處罰啦這個我覺得 這事實上啦 我們只要 |
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就是說把它改成按日的話事實上我們很多的公務員在執行的話他沒有去看比如說上禮拜上次開了一個罰單然後在這禮拜這中間七天都沒去看到今天去看的話他就要開七天的這個罰金事實上 |
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也有假設這個案子非常重要的話我們更應該經常去看啊所以在行政上面的處理上面改成案次無論對於旅行的執行的公務人員來講他更有一個責任感在這一邊所以我們建議是說參照所以如果按照案日跟案次的話我隔七天再去看在你的文字上沒差別嗎 |
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但是這個情節如果是重大的話不是 我跟你說我如果寫按日跟按次根據剛剛檢察官講的嘛 對不對我隔七天再去看的 對不對跟你隔七天再去看按日跟按次的裁罰金額有什麼差別就變成開兩次啊那按日的話就是變成七次七天啊 |
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不是喔來檢察官你這樣子罰的金額是怎樣是按七天還是按兩次如果說隔七天依照這個最高刑事法院的決議來看的話你如果中間都沒有去送達就連七天那等於你還是沒有辦法按照日數裁罰合併送達你不能說我一次算一次所以他還是算兩天 |
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我不是两天就是你还是等于是第二次采第二张罚单嘛所以他没有办法说我直接算七天的数额因为你中间都没有送答你每天都要处罚你每天都要去集合每天都要送答这个采法才可以处罚他 |
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目前的依照最高行政法院決議的狀態不是啊 我第一天開罰單嘛 對不對那我隔了七天再去嘛還是不合格 對不對再開罰單嘛那這樣子按日跟按次也是都一樣的金額 |
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可是他可能他的情節不一樣啊就是可能還是看執行個案上他義務違反的情節來裁處應該是有一個範圍的謝謝這個真的是所以你們還是要堅持暗刺 |
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好那如果你要堅持按次的話那你的這一個按次的連續處罰你們行政院的版本的金額是多少有往上調嗎你原本是10萬到100萬然後現在是調成是10萬到200萬看一下 |
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邱委員的是10萬以上10萬元以上500萬以下然後這個我們的版本是200萬以上2000萬以下 |
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好 如果你是暗刺對不對 撐制到你們行政黨的密度啊地方機關這些那你們的這個暗刺的處罰的金額是不是可以再調高一點讓那個 雖然你不要告訴我再有刑法罰則啦我是說態度問題拿出來就是這個金額是不是可以再拉高上限的部分 |
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經濟部我們是提高變成兩倍啦我們是建議是這樣因為那個剛剛上線已經有做一些的調整現在是按日的部分按次的部分 |
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按次的部分假如說是搭配我們剛剛所講的這個狀況的話或許我們這邊可以改成250萬250萬那個倍數的話跟前次的那個採訪的倍數是一樣那個倍數跟前面的那個天花板樓地板是一樣嘛那你就改成250萬啊OK好不好這樣我覺得比較有一些的效用出來對 它都有一定的倍數這樣子會比較採訪上面會比較好一點 |
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五倍應該是五百萬才對啊應該是邱委員的版本比較對啊我們怎麼是五倍因為他這邊一百兩千五如果這個也是這個邏輯就是十萬不是啊一百兩千五這個是對二點五倍啊上限變成二點五倍啊五百萬 |
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250啊上限是2.5倍啊那就是25倍啊25倍嘛對你現在的話因為我們剛剛已經修完是調成是那個2500到2500以下嘛25倍啊25倍嘛所以你這10乘25是250啊沒錯啊是250啊 |
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一样上线产来 |
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上下限原來的話是我們現在剛剛達成共識是100到2500嘛那是不是25倍啊我建議應該參照新修正的倍數去做不要去按照線型因為你是修正過啦我是按照你線型條文的嘛因為你線型條文對不對線型條文原本的是 |
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那個100到500嘛 那我們現在是把它改成是100到2500嘛所以2500是500萬的5倍 線型條件的5倍所以我才說用你線型條文的話你的線型條件是100嘛 100萬乘以5你不要有個對那個 有的對那個 |
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不是啊 所以說我建議說參照我們現在修改的前向的話就是下線是我現在是說參照你線型條文這樣子改過來會比較好嘛這樣也符合邱議員委員的版本啊沒有啊 你就用我的版本的那個比例去調就對了啊我的比例是100到25線型條文對到你不要看線型條文 你現在是看我的修正版本嘛我的是100到2500所以他的按次法就是10到250這樣才對啦 |
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這樣才公平嘛就照委員建議這樣改成250啊 |
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好,我也沒有特別意見,我是覺得說你們這些罰則的話都...其實我是覺得這樣啦,務實面來看啦,這個罰則要能夠收得到錢啦對啊啊,有些我們比較管的,是我們自己在這裡花錢的啦,你收不到錢還是一樣我覺得這個第一個好主中,第二個要收...要確實對他們是能夠造成影響啦那我們如果剛剛這樣子從我的比例100到2500那你這個按次法就是10到250 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
13496.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
13521.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
同意好不好同意好來就這樣子好不好我是覺得態度問題好不好後面徵定了所謂刑法的部分因為大家的看法都相當的一致是不是建議參照院版參照行政院的版本刑法徵定的我們都照你行政院的版本OK |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
13522.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
13543.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
還有另外增訂的一項整複的這個部分的這個規定這個剛剛大家也沒有其他的 只是一件我言的這個很重要整複 也是照你們照院版再來是37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
13548.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
13556.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
37條的話37條在哪裡很快很快很快來37目前提案的有邱映雲跟麥樂文在場的是邱映雲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
13579.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
13604.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
跟朱友文報告37至41都是針對合法土石採取場所相關的提案修正那我們這一次聚焦的重點是違法非法的採取就是第一個第二個部分的話事實上一個人申請申請過了之後他違規的一個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
13606.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
13614.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
他既然是一個是一個累換或是我們認為他的行為有所不當的話我們現行的條文就直接把它撤除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
13616.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
13638.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
就把它撤除了這樣是不是更更斷了不要去讓他有什麼一個特殊所謂的什麼改進或是依照的長子那至於長子的部分當時在申請的時候就主管機關就會要求他在適合的長子裡面來進行採取吐施我們建議說這個部分就不予修正以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
13646.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13674.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
好 那維持現行條文第38條提案的有邱議員委員等等還有我們黨團這裡這也是一樣這建議說也是維持現行條文因為這個規範的都是3738394041都是針對於合法土石土石採取廠的這一些相關的規定我們是建議說維持現行的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
13676.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13703.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
邱益穎委員我也OK好再來39條建議維持現行的規定同意再來40條也是邱益穎委員建議維持現行的規定再來41條41條我只想要加個東西因為這是合法的嘛所以我在第二款這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
13706.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13735.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
第一個當然是罰則上面 因為它是合法啦所以我這邊是30萬到300萬的這個罰款然後再來這第二款是我希望是說它一定要開具出貨三連單或者記載內容跟實際裝載不符合因為我們常常去這個這個看這些 即使是合法的它有些裝載內容也是不太符合 跟它實際登載就可以加這個文字上去罰則我可以沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
13742.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13764.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
華澤的部分因為我了解這個主席的意思華澤我沒有意見我只是說第一項一到四款的部分都是集合他有沒有依照現行的他申報的部分來處理所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
13765.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13791.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
其實假如按體力一樣的話是不要去增列這個部分因為第一款也是說他未依規定申報採取及銷售數量那第三款的部分也是未依規定攜帶出貨單所以說都未依規定去攜帶相關的這個就是他有帶但是他的記載是跟他裝載不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
13795.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13822.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
我都有打,但是寫的沒講你說三年單跟那個裝貨的事實不一樣對然後後面那個新增那個我可以不加沒關係因為那個東西你本來就會廢紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
13824.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13853.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
你本來就會廢紙可以吧可以嗎我記得是可以啦因為我跟他們溝通過啦好不好你就把這一段文字補上去就好OK好罰款不變嘛罰款不變然後第二款的部分後面加一個就照我委員的版本這樣子好不好對就是逗號或其記載內容與實際裝載則不對然後我那個新增的部分可以拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
13854.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13855.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
請一併宣讀協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
13874.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13899.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
先讀協商結論第三條 趙委員 鍾嘉斌 吳立華等人所提修正同意修正通過修正文字其中第一項第七款修正為原住民族一原住民族基本法第十九條第一項第三款規定採取土石者第八款 因新修建原住民傳統石板屋或地下屋等形式之住宅 教會 機關 學校 居會所或公共設施所需者 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
13900.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
13918.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
第九款原住民族部落實施部落自主災害防救與環境維護所需者區經照修正動力文字通過第十四條照委員莊嘉斌吳立華等人所提修正動力通過第36條照行政提案通過其中修正文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
13921.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
13941.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
第3條造行政案提案修正通過修正文字部分第一項前段儲新台幣100萬元以上1000萬元以下罰還修正為儲新台幣100萬元以上2500萬元以下罰還後段儲新台幣10萬元以上200儲10萬元以上100萬元以下罰還修正為儲新台幣10萬元以上250萬元以下罰還 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
13950.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
13975.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
區域經照行政提案通過第三十條維持現行法條文第三十八條維持現行法條文第三十九條維持現行法條文第四十條維持現行法條文第四十一條在台灣民眾黨黨團提案修正通過先完畢沒有沒有沒有只修第二款法款上下限沒有修正對對沒有只修第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
13985.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
14011.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
這個沒有修正這個沒有修正這個沒有修正這個有還有這個這個也這個也這個沒有這個也沒有只有修正在這裡看他要不要念照剛剛修正照臺灣民眾黨黨團提案修正通過修正文字第二款修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
14012.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
14037.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
修正土石採取廠負責人位於第35條第一項規定開具出貨三年單或其具載內容與實際裝載者不符者宣傳畢好 請問各位同仁照剛剛宣讀的協商結論通過有沒有異議好 異議通過是11條第一項的本文跟最後的那一項是沒有列的沒有修正的對 沒有好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
14038.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
14059.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
好 那討論事項 所謂院軍審查完略並任凝聚審查報告提報院會討論 請問需不需加油黨團學生不需加油黨團學生齁 院會討論時有本席說明 審查通過之條文相關法自用與授權主席及議事人員整理本日議程處理完略 謝謝大家 現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
14081.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
14081.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
借給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
14101.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
14102.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
阿這樣而已,我記得這個...對,對,對... |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
14123.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
14124.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
他跟我踢那個啊 |