| IVOD_ID |
17478 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17478 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T12:09:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T13:42:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:32:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db6694acf01e408a3a61fee976871d7d54601341028818003ddbe7246abfb6704c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：繼續審查：
一、 115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(處理)
【5月27日及5月28日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:09:44 - 13:42:00 |
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在我們整個遠洋漁業的這個人權保障上沒有落實整個受害人的這個辨識的程序我們希望我們在司法就機方面的話我們應該得以保護這些做一個這個漁民的他們的照顧不要來影響到我們的整個國際形象在這方面的話我可以改成主決議 |
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243可以改正組決議李玉玲委員243改正組決議 紅衣校委員 |
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我的案件的話是首先這個233案的話那當時這個東西是所謂的漁業管理這邊的委辦然後跟你們這個溝通之後因為可能是牽扯到我們的這個前陣的這個漁港的一個維運當然是在基礎維運跟數位轉型我覺得這個當然有它的一個延續性 |
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那我是覺得在這一個使用率啊跟這一個歷年的一個KPI的一個報告上面那也還沒有看到你們的一個狀況所以我是希望說你們這一個東西可以再來做一個說明但是我會把它改成是主決議因為我覺得支持這一個前陣的這一個餘感高雄人也要來支持然後236 |
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在這個案件裡頭呢基本上來講他就是所謂的一個智能的管理的環境的漁獲的這一個資料那這一個東西的話我是覺得數位的東西當然這個永續漁業當然這個對我們近海數據對漁民是有很重要的事情但是漁民會長期因為我去考察過就是有些漁民常常見面不便然後這個可能使用很 |
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不好用黑數比較多所以這邊我是稍微這個動了1000萬但是我可以改動300萬然後我減少但是我是覺得要你做出來的這種東西要讓漁民的一個就是基層的反應要好所以我是覺得這個你就提出書報之後我們再來做這個動制那237案的話主要是辦理這個漁船的一個收購 |
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那這個收購的話當然是漁船法看起來就是應該是法的部分那等一下你可以再說明那這個地方當然是說因為老舊的漁民的退場跟生計的一個安頓所以在237萬這邊的話我就改成凍結100萬就是說我希望你們能夠照顧到真的 |
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老漁民他退下來之後的這些的生計了那在你們的書面報告再來看怎麼樣子的一個幫助他們這樣子那239案的話這一個東西呢 |
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你們做的是我國遠洋漁業觀察員的涵蓋率的一個計畫那到底你怎麼去提升這些觀察員的薪資跟海上的安全的保障因為他們的就是流動率流失率實在是過高 |
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另外還有一個很重要的因為我覺得這個是很重視的一件事情就是說因為美方301的調查所以遠洋漁工的一個勞動權跟成本的提出這個在你們這邊也要自己去參考一下所以這個的話呢我這邊當時為什麼提出凍結1000萬我是覺得說這有兩點的原因你們一直都沒有去解決那這個再請你們參考 |
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然後再來的話240岸的話這一個也是所謂的遠洋漁業的裡頭魚船的收購當然是神釣跟油釣跟剛剛那個竹筏的話是不太一樣那因為這個可能跟我們的配額限縮有很大的一個關係 |
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所以這個地方的話因為大型船隻的話是比較高的所以我才採取凍結5000萬因為我希望你們膠蓋這個收購額度的限制還有數量的評估好不好這個相關的一個拆解的一個配套 |
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那再來的話是這個244這也是漁業跟人權的行動計畫裡頭的一個業務費這個一樣我改組決議就是說你還是要去注意一下這個我們勞工的勞動條件避免成為美國301的這樣子的一個報復的一個對象的一個說辭這樣子就不是很好 |
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那245的話基本上呢這個跟剛剛李永維有異曲同工之妙因為是養殖漁業管理業務費的這一個尾半費所以我是針對尾半費下手因為在漁電共生這裡頭我非常的重視我也開過記者會我不希望是漁歸於電歸電 |
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所以我這邊的話呢先暫時願意凍結你們1000萬也就是說希望你們遵守漁電共生然後以漁民養殖漁業的權益為主好不好這個大概是我的理由謝謝洪祐祥委員233、244洪祐祥委員提案改正組決議好 本席242改正組決議請漁業署王署長順風答覆 |
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好來謝謝委員剛剛從楊委員所關切的我們這個港口檢查的問題那跟委員報告我們現在海洋捕撈這一塊最重要的就是國際關注你沒有涉及這種非法行為非法行為裡面有什麼超捕那抓了不該抓的比如說鯨豚那鯊魚有沒有依照那種我們起訪生辭一人身這個來處理那跟委員報告就是我們 |
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台灣的漁船大概兩萬一千艘出公海的大概將近兩萬一千裡面有一千艘是出公海那在執行量能上其實是需要仰賴很多的執行人力那我們現在如果說要做到每一艘船都檢查其實量能很不足那我們現在有自己發展出一套 |
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怎麼去判定這一艘船是有高風險比如說它在這一個某段期間申報的漁獲量異常的高那它有異常的軌跡那這一類的我們現在其實就是在有限的人力之下是做精準的執法那這一個部分你會發現說我做了精準執法以後反而發現更多的這個違規案件會出來是這樣子也非常謝謝委員就是 |
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由剩減預算改成凍結那李玉玲委員特別提到我們漁電共生這一個的問題跟委員報告那個過去我們講所謂漁歸與電歸電是應該是我們署裡面太精簡那一個說法了其實我們一直以來推的漁電公司就是養殖為本綠能加值這個政策從來沒有改變過 |
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那我們在初期推餘電共生過程當中那個光電業者他會想辦法把他的發電要集大化那就造成養殖的這一個放養量不實或是怎麼樣所以我們現在調整過來就變成是說餘電共生以外我們要做到專業分工你在這一個案場的新設規劃的初期我們養殖團隊就加進來 |
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好好來協助他建置出這個案場是可以適合我來養殖的你發你的電那我有專業的團隊來協助他進行養殖那旅委員特別關切我們沿近海的漁獲量這低降的問題我想這是目前一個普遍的現象 |
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那漁獲量的減少其實跟委員報告有很多的因素啦那現在的氣候變遷造成海水的升溫那我們陸地的這些的開發那會不會造成棲地的影響那屬於我自己漁業的部分那我們是不是船太多是不是有過度捕撈的問題 |
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那這個都是造成這一個漁獲量低降的一個原因那就我們漁業署現在在推的特別是像這種沿岸的開發那我們就要劃設很多的這種把這種水產物的重要繁殖的棲地化為海洋保護區來避免這些人為活動的一個干擾那在這一個這個 |
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非法捕撈或是說過度捕撈這一塊當然我們會制定很多的管理措施來進行讓這個資源可以永續利用那再來大概就是洪委員特別提到就是我們現在在漁港管理漁業管理裡面跟委員報告我們漁業管理裡面 |
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因為海洋漁業這一塊真的是要透過管理才能讓它永續利用所以我們的這個漁業管理向下的一個經費基本上都是投注在管理面從沿近海的管理遠洋的管理到漁港這個秩序化的管理等等那這裡面我們有很多的經費特別是 |
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是來協助漁民比如說用油補貼啦那休餘獎勵那個大概在整個我預算佔的大概59億裡面他佔的大概就20億啦齁那非常謝謝委員這一個幫我們改成主決議 |
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那第二個大概委員提案236的這個我們沿近海的查報系統這個界面要友善我想跟委員報告這個是我們現在就正在努力那過去我們非常仰賴因為我們沿近海的漁民相對於出公海的漁民他的相較於對於資訊的使用的程度他沒有那麼厲害 |
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那過去跟委員報告就是我們沿近海所有海洋漁業所捕撈的漁獲量那的收集是非常重要我官方要來做資源評估那做完資源評估以後這個資源多少我才能擬定管理政策啦那過去我們如果說要我們沿近海 |
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遠洋的部分已經都做到數位電子回報了但是延慶海還沒辦法就是他對於3C產品的使用還是會有一些抗拒所以我們是高度仰賴人力派駐人力在港口來查報他整個這一個漁獲量但是我們現在就在今年的預算裡面我們就要來開發這個系統這個系統除了要掌握我的漁船進港出港 |
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那抓了多少漁獲量那我透過我的船位的掌控都可以清楚了解那漁獲量我們未來會設計更友善的這樣的一個界面讓漁民能不能在第一時間他就可以很方便的這一個漁獲量然後建置在系統我們就可以做到即時掌握那漁船收購的部分就我跟委員報告大概兩個部分漁船收購我們有沿靜海跟遠洋的專案 |
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那沿靜海這一個部分陳如委員講的我們漁業的特性就是漁民投資建造了一艘漁船經營漁業那這艘漁船會隨著時間的這個演進他一直老舊那等到他要退休了要離開漁業了那我漁業署能幫他的就是希望 |
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你如果不經營魚業要鯉魚的那我們來做這一個漁船法的收購讓他有一個晚年可以得到一些的照顧啦吼那這一個這是沿近海的部分那遠洋 |
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的部分大概委員特別關切那一個拆解場地的問題那那個部分我們現在已經協調興達海基還有高雄港的第四貨櫃一個碼頭那個區域我們都協調好了現在都在進行租用的程序租用完就可以馬上進行拆解的程序 |
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那委員剛剛特別關心我們觀察員的照顧這一塊這個是我們責務攀帶我們會來努力那委員大概另外最後一個大概我們那個養殖的管理系統跟委員報告我們養殖管理裡面有上市前的檢查那這些石斑觀賞魚你要出口要做登錄要做藥產 |
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要做溯源 要做產銷履歷我們有很多系統那我們現在都配合部裡面的政策做一併的整合 以上好 謝謝董事長的答覆我想這個 |
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我跟楊瓊玉委員 楊瓊玉委員所在的台中跟李玉玲委員所在的桃園市我跟邱玉玲委員所在的高雄市這是我們洪昭偉 也是我們高雄市出身加上我們鍾嘉斌委員的屏東縣都有很多漁港 有很多養殖業所以我們跟漁民鄉親幾乎是每天互動 有很深的感情 |
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我們有在這次把協議發展好把協議名叫夠好這是我們共同的共識跟使命對這個委員所這個詢問事項我想這個農業署漁業署要更加重視那讓這個所有委員都很清楚了解說漁業署做哪些事情做的效率如何效果如何所以我是不是懇請各位委員對於這個漁業署 |
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第三幕漁業管理的這個向下沒有任何簡歷的提案那凍結數是不是榮許委主席作為建議凍結兩千萬凍結兩千萬一個月之內提出書面包括之後死而凍之好 楊卿委員我尊重主席那我那個228改為主決議好 楊卿委員228改成主決議254改主決議好 卿委員254改成主決議 |
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232改組決議232改組決議邱委員你那個是第四幕了吧 |
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來我們繼續處理第四幕漁業發展原定數是76656萬好我們處理從246萬到257萬我們一併處理其中246萬蔡玉瑜247萬賴瑞榮248萬蔡玉瑜以及250萬邱志偉以及255萬謝一鳳以及254254邱盈盈253邱志偉 |
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還有257 賴榮跟徐富奎改成主決議好 其餘委員提案是不是還有委員要做補充說明好 楊全英委員 |
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252案我個人所提我一直說冷鏈的部分也是我一直全力支持而且要求農業部單位要去編列預算但是我們實際上看到很奇怪的一個現象產生 |
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110年到113年這一個計畫也就是建構農產品的人類物流及品質確保示範體系的這個計畫你到113年累計你編列的數字是17億左右那你的實現你的實現數是6億多是6億多所以你的實現數是40%左右這第一點 |
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第二個114年你編列的第二期計畫就將近1億的經費但是到8月底你的實踐數也是6000多萬那還有部分還沒有辦法執行所以你當然你說是因為主要是工程多次的流標只有產生那這個方式部長在這裡這個到底要怎麼去解決我們給了預算而且 |
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單位這個相關的執行單位它是必要的但是你執行不了那你不能只有一句話說我工程標不出去還是怎麼樣到底你裡面出了怎麼樣的樣態你要去解決這個問題要不然我們今天明明告訴你冷鏈很重要我們也全力支持這個預算而且甚至認為還是不夠 |
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因為大家都需要可是你因為你的執行的內容執行不了你的執行鏈執行不了那這個對不起所需要的因為冷鏈現在很重要這個暖化的問題你不這樣不行像我們台中的菩薩市場現在你看我們有時候買水果你看表面看起來伊犁水蜜桃漂亮得不得了哈密瓜漂亮得不得了可是拿回去之後切開裡面是爛掉的 |
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那為什麼 所以我們現在精緻到我們的果菜市場前面是商店 它的背後就是冷鏈就直接把它縮短時間 你拿一個樣板在前面給大家看人家要的直接從冷鏈倉庫裡頭就直接給人家你就減少那個風險 我們已經調整到現在這樣 |
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好認為還是不夠還有精簡的這個那個那個方案所以一直在進步但是你的工程要怎麼樣去解決這是我今天所以提案要勉勵你們要把怎麼樣去調整 |
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去優化才能夠達到三贏那當然主席因為這個案子呢也經過詳細的討論我願意把他這個部分呢由凍結改為就直接改為組決議在252案的這個部分但是我還是要要求你你要把你要怎麼樣解決剛剛我講的這個方法你要去給我解決出來好不好沒問題謝謝 |
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另外李營委250頁在講我的250頁之前我要講剛剛你所說的我們整個漁業如果說是在海洋上的話因為天氣氣候的變遷整個海流水流的關係漁獲量減少是沒有辦法的但是現在我的250頁這就是漁溫漁溫是可控的 |
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氣候的話也是可控的嘛所以我們漁業的話你要想盡辦法讓他們能夠繼續生存你不能讓他自生自滅啊 |
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是不是所以就算說是我們海綿羊的養殖業的話112年它整個養殖產量大概是23,544公噸到114年整個下滑到16,667公噸這個下滑了30%這速度之快 |
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所以我們一定要有什麼方法你不能讓他們自生自滅所以在這邊的話我可以改成組決議但是我希望你們一定要來協助幫忙讓我們的養殖業能夠繼續發展好不好謝謝那個李玲委員250萬改成組決議那個洪綠江委員 |
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我的案件的話應該是249我先從這邊開始249這邊的話是一個永續經營基礎的建設的計畫其實跟剛剛楊全文的冷鏈有一點關係因為這一頭也是在你們的預算書就寫的是因為這個冷鏈物流一定是做很久當然涉及地方的一個需求跟補助這也可以明白 |
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但是我覺得就是說在這個冷鏈的節點然後還有你的運輸路線的分布也就是說到底我們是要擴充這一個節點的數量還是要擴充我的運能因為這個對我們的這一個冷鏈的物流是一個兩個很重要的一個因子 |
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所以我是希望在這裡頭的話可以好好做一個那我是可以凍結就是不要3億我凍結3000你們就是提書面報告因為我覺得能量物流很重要但是你執行太多年工研院也一直做能量物流做20幾年但是我覺得這個品質跟這樣子的一個能量量能到底怎麼有效的擴展 |
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再來256案我順便一遍講又來了嘛就 |
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無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫就整個這樣子往下分那當然你一定會告訴我說這個我們漁業署有不同的東西的要求那我是覺得這個到底當然跟海委會也是一堆啦因為你們都在漁業這邊所以我就不曉得你們這裡頭的一個到底用途目的到底是要幹嘛因為說明的也不是很清楚所以這個我想這個是我凍結兩千萬的理由 |
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謝謝楊委員特別關心冷鏈的執行率這一個部分在我們特別114年度的部分在下半年其實進度都趕起來了執行率達到99%目前我們115年度的部分也會加速來進行 |
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那旅委員特別關心我們的不管是海面養殖或餘溫養殖跟委員報告就是我們114年的海面養殖主要大概就是牡蠣啦那牡蠣養殖去年因為丹納斯颱風其實是受到很大的重創 |
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但是整體整個不管是我們內陸漁溫或海面養殖這個量都有在稍微逐漸在減少這是事實那跟委員報告現在我們漁業裡面有一個很大的問題大概漁業勞動人口的投入這一塊那因為目前我想大家都很清楚年輕人要投入這種傳統產業都有它的難度那我們漁業署不會放任不管我們現在是怎麼樣 |
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去發展這種省工省能源的這樣的一個設備來協助我們產業來精簡這一個人力那洪委員剛剛特別提到我們整個能量管理那一個部分我們現在能量的設置跟委員報告我們基本上都會有一個考慮因子就是節能減碳的部分我的能量的這一個場域的設置場域一定是會貼近 |
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我的生產區或是我的主要生產漁港那這個現在的在整個規劃過程都是我們的一個主要的一個考慮點那無人機跟的部分跟委員報告就是我就舉丹納斯颱風那一個例子跟大家報告 |
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我們現在海面養殖放了多少牡蠣如果要用開船出去數那真的是累了那現在科技的發達無人機我只要經過航拍那我的內陸餘溫有沒有實際在養殖我透過航拍我就可以在放養量這個期間一過以後我就做基礎的航拍 |
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那天然災害比如說颱風來之前我也可以開始做一次航拍那如果真的遭受到天然災害的我透過航拍就可以很精準的辨識出說我的災損多少那漁業署的這一個無人機的這個計畫其實我們也才4100萬但是我們沒有在買設備啦基本上我們是因為現在無人機這個航拍技術很成熟我們都是用租用的方式 |
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來協助我們做這些基礎調查或是勘栽的使用 以上 |
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因為漁業發展對這個特別是南部非常重要所以是不是委員會就建議是這樣好不好我針對249改組決議但是256動1000好那就249案改成組決議好那我們就整個木馬漁業發展 |
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凍結一千萬 一個月之內提出書面報告之後 死的凍值好 那這個漁業署處理完之後呢我們要這個休息休息五分鐘一下來 現在處理組決議部分258案 |
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委員同意修正文字就 |
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倒數第二行這邊就是倒數第三行原要求漁業署後面到官方網站這邊槓掉原要求漁業署於政策定案後對外說明以立本院監督以提供國人檢視好按照修正文件通過好263案 |
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263案也是跟委員討論修正文字那主文的一的部分的第二行請農業部漁業署持續緊盯漁市場整建工程等然後倒數第二行請農業部漁業署每半年提供前陣漁港招商相關進度好 按照修正文件通過好 264案 |
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跟委員討論通過做文字修正請說在第二行的中段這邊漁業署應加強向船主宣導各項人權規範 |
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並協同勞動部保障外籍漁工在台全域海委會協助岸上公安檢查及海上漁業檢查衛福部配合執行入境港口防疫船員進港健康風險以落實維護漁業勞動人權與漁業環境永續支持者 以上好 按照修正文件通過 好現在這個休息五分鐘 |
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1958.808 |
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會長請保持肅靜請農業部列席官員請就座會長保持肅靜 |
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1976.906 |
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1994.093 |
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好 我們繼續開會繼續處理農業部動植物防疫檢疫署及所署265萬內容提案展主決議簽署第一幕動植物防疫檢疫技術研發編約數2億3280萬8千元好 我們從266 267 268一起處理其中266內容提案改成主決議 |
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2004.608 |
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那另外請洪委員說明好這個267案的話呢這個主要是在防疫檢疫的科技的一個研發這裡那基本上我是希望說因為這個在看你們的預算是建制疫情的一個自動監測跟整合資訊系統所以我覺得這種有關資訊系統稍微都看一下那我後來跟你們溝通之後支持改成組決議 |
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2049.185 |
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然後268的話268的話是防疫檢疫科技研發的獎補助那我是改主決議但是我希望你們兩個月內提出這個動保寵物用藥的一個修法的規劃 |
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這是當時我們跟你溝通的一個主要的一個結果因為我不希望再有這個寵物用藥然後因為跟這個食藥署這邊又發生一些問題所以我覺得你們就主動一點那你們如果有釋出善意我也有釋出善意啦所以大概是這樣子請署長檢討可以接受 只能到半年有點混淆 |
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好 那謝謝洪運祥委員 267 268改成主決議第三項的部分好 我們從269案到288案我們一起處理其中269案陳婷菲 272案賴銳榮 271案楊瓊英 272案楊瓊英以及281蔡玉瑜 282邱志偉 283 |
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謝宜鳳以及285陳超明都改成主決議提案委員有沒有要說明主席我的274案我要請問部長紅火椅的房 |
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這個動植物的檢疫我們的防治工程到現在紅火雨都沒有辦法治理尤其是桃園市的紅火雨已經高達41342公頃它已經超過了其他各縣市的總和了桃園市的圍堵已經失靈了那你們有沒有因應的做法所以在這個地方我先凍結1000萬請你說明 |
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火火魚要怎麼防範 你要讓桃園市的火火魚的面積一直增加嗎還有277案 277案就是偽農藥的問題偽農藥的話 |
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是要由各縣市政府來銷毀喔但是桃園機場屬於國門那偽農藥的銷毀就應該是這個責任應該要由中央來編制人力的來編制人力喔不應該叫桃園市政府來處理喔這是非常不公平的喔動植物的防疫檢疫 |
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2214.425 |
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應該要儘速的來檢討現行的分工跟針對機場港口邊境查獲的這尾農藥應該要由中央編列預算建置這個處理的機制這兩項這兩個案子我希望部長這邊要謹慎的來處理那另外我278案跟280案跟284案我可以改成主決議 |
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好 謝謝李委員部分是278跟280案改成主決議還有284改成主決議好 請洪運祥委員 |
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273案的話主要是在這個植物防疫業務費這個地方那我跟你們溝通完這個大概跟紅火雨的防治有關但是我跟你們溝通的結果就是你要加強跟地方政府的一個合作所以這個我改組決議 |
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2250.788 |
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2270.506 |
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在275案這邊的話呢主要是在你們的一個資訊服務的一個費用那這個因為資訊服務看起來感覺好像就是你們一般的這個業務費那屬於也是外包的部分那這個地方的話我就改成是主決議 |
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2294.956 |
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再來是279279案的話呢主要是這個屠宰衛生的一個檢查的一個業務費那我跟你們溝通完的話就是說因為我們大概有一百多處的屠宰場那按照畜牧法你要獸醫的一個檢測肉品的蓋章的放行所以這個我也改組決議 |
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2321.122 |
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再來的話呢286案的話呢防範非洲這個非洲豬瘟的一個邊境的管制國內的動植物偵測犬隊的訓練跟執行那我覺得跟你們溝通完的話應該是說這個我們的一個就是這個訓犬中心的跟我們的桃園的防檢的一些的關係所以這個286我也改組決議 |
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2325.216 |
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2342.866 |
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再來的話是287的話因為這裡頭裡面有一些的一般事務費又包含了這些的什麼媒體製作又是一些媒宣等等所以這個我改成凍結十分之一就是凍結這個3000萬 |
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2347.059 |
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2371.861 |
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然後的話288的話這個是講補助費國家的一個防疫主要是在做一些的應該怎麼講就是跟你們溝通的話大概就是一些補助學校的研究機構等等所以這個我就是凍結但是我不凍那麼多大概就凍個200萬那你書面報告之後就可以凍至這樣子 |
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2373.454 |
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2375.158 |
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好 紅圓的部分是273.275萬以及249.282萬改成主決議好 針對兩位委員的詢問請這個歡迎組來回答 |
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| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2404.956 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝委員的指教那針對呂委員的部分那我跟呂委員也來做說明就是說其實不僅是我們中央其實桃園市政府他們對紅毛雨的防治也相當相當的重視那這幾年其實我們的這個防治率也一直在下降從108年的25%到去年的15%其實可以看出來明顯的一個下降 |
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| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2415.483 |
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那在於今年度來講那我們持續會做但今年還有一個特別的地方除了我們地噴的處理以外我們會做空中的噴藥那因為這個部分我們大概也也爭取到專款所以針對今年度桃園市的這一個紅蘿螈的渦輪機的噴女士說紅蘿螈的防治妳用放藥跟噴藥不是 妳有內行專業嗎 |
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2439.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2445.167 |
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不是 我們有兩個 就一個叫地面的噴那這個的部分 除了人力噴以外它有防碳車 有所以剛剛講的這個下降的比率就是從25比例是全台灣還是怎麼討論就針對桃園市 |
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2481.557 |
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所以這個部分之前也有提書面給旅委員那這個部分大概已經下降那以今年來講我們會加強在無人機空中的噴藥那預計在桃園市跟桃園市政府合作大概會有800公頃來做執行無人機的一個噴藥我想整體透過地面跟空中的這樣的一個防治應該今年度的這個面積可以再做下修以上 |
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2484.039 |
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2497.945 |
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我還是要提醒你們這個紅火椅用火燒它都燒不死你那個噴藥我們有那個做那個乙丘的方式塞藥下去也是沒有效果所以我覺得你們還是要再精進這個防範這個紅火椅的方式 |
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2499.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2510.699 |
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好那我們回憶中心會來做精進但是如果以目前來講我們這樣的一個防治在全國性還是有它的一個良好的效果那第二個就針對呃旅委員針對277項呃農藥查獲那在呃5月22號上個禮拜五的時候那陳局長 |
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也有跟部長來做反應那現在大概有這樣的一個共識就是說今年度我們整個來支援他們執行的一個經費那有關人力跟銷毀的費用上我們來出經費我們來出人力的一個執行的部分由他們來做只有今年嗎我現在是要個制度是 |
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因為針對國門港口這部分的話他們的那個被查獲率是非常多的案件數很多不像其他縣市的話只有幾件而已當個位數的幾件而已在國門 |
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跟港口的部分 我們應該用制度 我們用修法來制度應該用重量來編列一下 這個很重要 這個我聽李委員提了好幾次你這個下午 立即 董事長我們整個案從制度方面來改啦 你不要再一次補一次之前你們是要這樣補啊 不是辦法是不是請杜署長跟署主同仁下午盡快去跟李委員辦公室做一個完整的這個怎麼去防治 做個清楚的說明這個 |
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關於第三幕 凍食物防疫凍食物防疫檢疫管理這個除了改成主決之外另外 梨圍有兩岸是凍結1200萬然後鴻圍有兩岸凍結3200萬主協助建議綜合凍結2000萬 |
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多元兩千萬一個月之內提出書面報告之後實質凍資那都市長這個剛剛兩位委員吹噓的事項你們另外再以時間去跟兩位委員做個說明好繼續處理這個組決議部分289萬 |
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我們修正最後段就是說皆是每批次的查驗情形供國人查詢改為說明發芽馬鈴薯選別規範程序及查驗的情形 |
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好 按照修正文件通過 293案 遵照辦理 照案通過 294案遵照辦理 照案通過 好 謝謝黃金署來繼續處理這個農金署 |
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好 農機所的部分295萬跟296萬都是第一幕其中296萬站在那裏改成主決議所以第一幕的部分 李委員你要不要再做補充295萬 |
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好290萬改組決議所以第一幕農業金融研發照列第三幕的部分農業金融業務約定數5億3363萬那從297案到304案其中297案曾振銓以及299案賴瑞榮以及這個202陳超明 |
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我對農金署前面的這個應該是298吧 對不對 |
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298這邊的話大概是你們的農業保險跟資訊所以這個的話我建議的話就是我把它改組決議 |
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然後的話呢是這一個303303這個是農業金融機構的管理費543萬但是你們來跟我說明說說此案跟農會合作補貼農民的錢這是什麼意思我到現在還是聽不太懂各位請你們再就303這個案件說明 |
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好 那個洪委員的部分298案改成組決議那林委員的部分要不要再補充說明我的案子是301案的301案就針對我們的農業保險 |
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在104年的時候我們就推動了也開發了44張的保單涵蓋了28項都是農作物但是台灣的茶葉它的產值一年就有300億到至今都沒有納入農業保險那農金屬它特別有講說今年4月它跟茶改廠跟保險公司都有進行查訪在研議保單的問題跟設計的問題我們請農業的農金屬 |
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能夠持續的監督來推動那個茶葉列入農業保險好不好是好 這個要改組決議哪一位哪一位哪一案改組決議304案301案這個倒還有304案喔304案也改組決議311案這邊也改組決議 |
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好那個謝謝林議員林議員的部分是301案以及304案都改成主決議嗎是那這個另外還有嗎沒有嗎好所以這部分先請署長先作回答 |
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是 謝謝洪委員關心就是有關於農業金融監理的這個問題但我想可能就是同仁去溝通的時候有點口誤不是補貼農營民因為就是農金屬這邊我們是負責金融監理那檢查的部分我們是委託軍管會的檢察局在辦理 |
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那警察局辦完警察以後所有的警察報告跟缺失的輔導改善都是交由農軍署這邊來處理然後另外就是說農業金庫的時候我們只是補助他對農漁會來做業務輔導然後補助給他一些經費那事實上大部分的這個經費都是農業金庫他來自籌所以並沒有說補貼這個農會跟農民的一個情況 |
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好 那我改組決議好了因為你們自己解釋都解釋不了想說543案補助農民補助個鬼啊 好好不好連解釋都解釋不清楚你改組決議好 謝謝梁委員所以第三目農業經營業務全部都改成組決議 預算照列來 305案組決議的部分照案辦理這個照案通過 |
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好 謝謝農經署接下來請農經署好 農經署部分306案 |
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第一幕 農糧科技研發內容提案 該案組決議所以第三幕的部分 農糧管理 原件數36億2208萬3千從307案到333案一併處理 其中308案楊瓊玉 309案蔡宇宜310案賴樂榮 以及310案邱志偉 吳麗華 |
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以及318謝依鳳319陳超明320案邱志偉吳立華以及323案邱志偉以及327案邱志偉以及329案陳超明等提案改成主決議 |
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去天安委有沒有人說明 李營委員張偉 我的311 314 316328改組決議哪一案 李委員 抱歉311 314 316 328李營委員311案 316案314 316改成組決議還有328案改成組決議 |
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好 那洪委員好 這個我還是要譴責一下農糧署你知道我要譴責你什麼嗎 |
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就是竟然把預算的提案我的三節什麼的內容然後流露出去然後從嘉義這樣子地域開始散開然後營造對我不利的一個抹黑跟這是凍結而已我沒有說真的要把你砍掉 |
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好所以我是希望以後這個署長還是要強烈維持你們這些雖然不是說什麼機敏性資料但是我們都還沒審完嘛對不對所以還可以溝通維持一個善意好那首先的話呢我就313案這邊的話因為我們的這個農產品的一個出口這邊來講的話那大概都是維持但是我覺得在這個 |
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受害的一個就是農產品受進口損害的救助基金提出一個類似的一個預算案尤其是我們如果針對這個進口這些出口不利的話該怎麼辦的所以我覺得這個國外的旅費我還是先這個維持這個凍結十分之一這邊 |
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那315案的話呢這個農糧的這個倒座的這個管理的話這個我改成凍結輸到之後再同意凍資321的話農業資源管理這個重金屬殘留這邊的話 |
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因為基本上我還是覺得這個農業的一個殘留的檢測的一些的結果我覺得還是要想辦法去讓這個就是儘量的即時的一個公開那因為這個也是一個委辦的一個費用所以這個改成是凍結 |
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就不要簡列然後322的話基本上這也是一個尾半費就是有機農的這一個他主要根據你們的說法是花東地區有機農業的發展然後又進入什麼復炭農耕的管理 |
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那我覺得這個地方的話可能跟我們馬太安溪這邊受影響也是有一些關係所以這個費用是有專款專用的一個性質所以我是先凍結這個費用那到時候的話我再請你們做書報的一個說明這樣子 |
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那我可以322的話我本來是動250萬我動你50萬就好了我只是要那個書面的報告來跟我報告說明然後再來是324這裡就是農業資源管理的獎補助戶差額的一個補貼這個我根據你們的說法就是 |
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基本上來講我想這個當然就是補貼一些東西但是那個具體的一個補助完整的統計等等我為什麼對你們的補助有點感觸我覺得有時候 |
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就是農民受災等等那領的補助有點慢或是有點不夠的所以我是希望做一個比較全面性的尤其在針對這種像花蓮地區馬太溪就是我們將來是過去的這些不管風災農災等等受損的災害這邊等等所以我改成是凍結500萬書報之後同意凍資再來330案的這一塊地方的話是在 |
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農糧管理 溯源農產品的一個驗證這邊的輔導那主要這邊的話呢你們的回覆資料是包含說因為那時候我問的是說你們的這個安全管理的一個行銷輔導的計畫而且這個是一個資訊的服務費 |
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所以這邊的話我覺得你們可能在農民跟農產升級的這些方面在它後續的產品的品項跟使用的品質跟它整體的一個對照我是希望有看到說一個比較好的成效所以我這邊是改成凍結是100萬書報同意之後同意凍資 |
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再來331案的話這是講補助這個我改成是主決議但是我還是要告訴你們的話就是說對於這種東西有通路的成交量價格的避酬不合格率還有我們農民實際的徵收的情況這個還是沒有看到具體的說明所以這個你要再麻煩補充資料給我 |
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3327.858 |
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再來的話是332案主要是在能電因為你們能電真的也是散落在各個不同的地方當然這個我們都支持因為它基本上來講的話我覺得你們還是要補充到底哪一些的場域受補助場域的清單 |
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3353.852 |
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然後你是民營委內營運的補助金的 設備的使用權所有權等等因為這個我們預算對不對你這個是業務費還是你的資本本然後呢我們的這個收費的標準表農民實際的受益所以這個就是你受補助的收費標準跟農民的實質那這個我是希望是看到書面報告再解凍我是改成凍1000萬 |
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3356.263 |
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3383.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
再來333的話這一個打造永續供好地方創生的計畫這個其實各位如果去看整個政府國發會也有地方創生農業部也有什麼等等當然你們一定都說各自有各自的因應措施但是我就不曉得地方創生是到底我們在農業這裡頭主要你告訴我說直接產生的 |
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3406.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
參訪人士到底有沒有效益青年返鄉就業人數成多指標永續經營因為因為我也是早期這個國發會在做這個地方創生的第一代始祖那時候我還是國發地方創生的顧問但是我覺得對永續經營青年返鄉我們都是很重視但是我覺得 |
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3414.38 |
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好像我都看不到這樣的效果所以我還是一樣改成這個凍結我先不刪除你500萬這樣子好不好好謝謝那我的提案是308 |
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3445.69 |
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308呢就是說我們現在大宗蔬菜在播種的時候它的量跟公苗預警預警系統因為高山蔬菜它的這個部分過濾材它的產期延長我就覺得我們農民有時候很 |
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3447.071 |
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3474.58 |
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很土法煉鋼很厲害我說 咖啡一杯我說 為什麼咖啡一杯他說 一定要成熟 要撇開那他因為產銷的問題 量的問題他先把他的那個根啊 就啡一杯讓他斷一兩根啊他的生長期會比較慢一點因為我就覺得農民他用這麼土法煉鋼的事情的方法去保護自己所以因此在 常常在11月份的時候你跟平地的採收重疊 |
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所以這個產銷的部分你到底這個產銷失衡的風險因為農民很辛苦去種阿嬤說這樣不夠本所以這個產銷的部分必須要去注意所以我們也經過討論那308的部分呢我就改為主決議就不刪除但是我要拜託換我拜託你們因為農民好不容易種出來他就是要賣出去然後就是要賺錢不要讓他們 |
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你乾脆自己來摘拔一顆五塊一顆十塊我每次看到這樣的廣告在我們在參討要弄一個五塊自己來拔我都覺得蠻難過的我沒有好好照顧你的產銷要去弄清楚方法給我怎麼去調適這個是308改為主決議那接下來317 |
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的這個部分317的部分這個我也是覺得邏輯很奇怪我們都一直說在農藥殘留的這個部分所以我看到你農藥殘留的部分你這個農藥署是110年到113年的這個計畫但是你都大概是在1.4萬 |
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出頭大概差距大概2000件左右大概每一年大概是這樣子但是你的113年你的不合格率是488件那110年是417件那你的征服是17%多113年不合格率3點多將近3.5%那這個也是110年來的你在113年是最高的我不知道出了什麼狀況 |
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因為我經常說的我們要給農民好好去宣導農會是我們最好的夥伴你們透過農會 透過農藥行等去宣導那為什麼會在113年是史上最高的這個不合格率是史上最高可能這個數字我們會嚇一跳使用者也會嚇一跳所以你要怎麼樣去加強落實在這個高風險的蔬果的殘留 |
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待會你們說明的時候不要告訴我因為經常會告訴我說因為我們就是很努力去查氣所以才會有這麼高這個不能這樣子說我覺得不贊同這樣子我們的目的是結果論是要不殘留的然後在中間的過程除了你們查氣以外還要去教育 去宣導嘛 |
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我們就曾經會到國小裡頭去告訴孩子你回去告訴你爸爸媽媽阿公阿嬤這怎麼樣怎麼樣這也是一個方法我不知道你們的方法怎麼去做所以這個部分我原先是要刪除10%的我沒有經過討論我也希望你們把方法弄出來我凍結5%然後輸入資料給本席那另外還有一個案320萬也是在這裡是嗎 |
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325案的這個部分也就是你溯源農產品的驗證輔導跟安全的這個部分那我覺得這個部分是非常非常的重要因為你看到113年你們透過這樣的一個履歷面積是10.9個 |
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萬公頃啦那相較111年你是有增加你是7萬多你增加了2萬多公噸2萬對 2萬多公噸將近3萬公噸你增幅大概將近37%多但是我們看到你實際福島的驗證的成績實際福島你的面積數有增加你取得了GDAP的這個驗證呢你的加數你的加數 |
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就是你111年是這樣子 你113年你反而是減少你111年 112年 它是35家那你反而在113年 你反而減少13家為什麼會這樣減少呢還是人家不需要 我不相信是不需要的 |
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到底裡面是驗證的過程廠家沒有辦法達到還是我們輔導的機制裡頭有提升的一個空間這個部分請要做說明所以我沒有經過討論我原本是要提出這個3.4%我也願意說改為凍結5% |
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順便資料出來 以上是我三個案子 謝謝謝謝洪委員 洪委員的部分331是改組決議嗎 洪委員 |
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好 請這個農糧署邀署長綜合答覆好 跟委員報告 那個有關委員 剛才楊委員關心的這個農藥殘留113年特高因為113年那個有四個颱風那農民大概習性在每個颱風過後他就會防治他就會本來要防治 讓他有那些蔬果就不會不會有蟲害的影響所以有可能 |
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防治過後他就提前採收那一般來講正常年我們大概抽檢的件數從4萬4千件增加到6萬4千件大概抽出來的比例跟正常年就是不要有災害颱風發生的時候是大概持平的沒有沒有說特別的高啦這以上所以我們將來就是會加強宣導就是災後那個一定要 |
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要安全採收不要說就噴完就採收這樣子第二個就是我們有輔導一些現場的農民團體那如果有支補快篩的可以先檢驗檢驗完大概沒有殘留再採收 |
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那另外針對黃委員剛才說的跟委員抱歉因為同仁可能大概會比較心急因為看到預算被刪減所以他有可能有去拜託人家來跟委員這邊那個關心一下那在這邊先跟委員致歉那有關委員所提的這一些 |
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那個有關產銷履歷的部分那大概因為我們最主要編在這個裡面的錢大概我們有幾個就是產銷履歷對農民補貼的驗證會每公頃 |
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1.5萬所以大概有12萬公頃在這裡面就將近16、7億那第二個就是有一筆叫農業用電大概就有12億就是用電的補貼這一塊那其他的大概委員所提的那些資訊的資訊的部分大概就是我們要維護產銷履歷的登打 |
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包括那個登打端到我們這邊的這一些的維運那相關設備的胎舊換新所給的這些費用另外還有農糧管理還有一筆九千多萬的大概就是農糧請調查給各縣市政府公所的那個農情調查員的這個 |
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經費比較多那再來就是有一筆就是冷鏈那冷鏈這一塊就是對農民團體或縣市政府那冷鏈的部分其實我們都定有規定那補助標準大概不超過二分之一那剛才委員所提的產權大概就是因為有配合款所以產權大概會屬就是申請者就申請的人那我們會固定的去查核 |
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那這一塊我們會有相關的詳細資料再補充給委員做報告以上簡單的報告剛剛有說到那個農藥殘留的部分你明知道颱風後你說是颱風後他們為了所以農藥會加強然後呢這個採收才會導致剛剛我說的反而是增加很多 |
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那既然我們已經知道是這個原因我們怎麼去解決汁我們要的是結果論是要讓消費者吃到的是沒有農藥殘留的因為數字會說話這一點很重要好不好不要只有告訴我們阿姨就是因為哄胎才會導致這樣子導致這樣要怎麼去解決汁我要問的是怎麼去解決讓消費者 |
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能夠吃到沒有殘留 讓農民也得到一個這個安全的基礎嘛 好不好好 這很重要 養生 你再休息一會兒那個養委員做個從事說明好 那個第三幕的部分 農場管理 |
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所有委員提案就沒有檢列案但是有這個候委員提六案算一下大概總共凍結三千萬左右然後楊偉宇兩案凍結一億五千萬所以是不是主席這邊建議是不是凍結五千萬 |
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是不是凍結五千萬好我的那個308就遵照主席那308 317跟325就改回主決議你改回主決議啊好 |
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應該是全部整幕動五千嘛好 317 你的317跟325都改成組決議嘛對 308 317 325好 308 317 325改成組決議對好 這個第三幕農業養管理編列數36億2208萬3千元我們凍結五千萬一個月之內提出書面報告之後時而動之345 |
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來 主決議部分處理334案 遵照辦理 照案通過335案 遵照辦理 照案通過336案 遵照辦理 照案通過好 謝謝農家署好 繼續處理農水署的部分 |
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農水署的部分除以337案 第4幕農業水利發展原定416938萬我們從337案一併除以到343案 其中337案呈提沒提案 338陽求人提案 |
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339宗教兵跟大衛院提案以及340謝業鳳提案以及341邱志偉提案以及343邱志偉五六法提案均改成主決議那另外李玉琳委員也改成342案也改成主決議 |
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那整個第四幕都改成組決議 那原預算照列所以這樣好 來 楊委員之後 黃委員 |
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好 我個人所提是338這個問題 市長要怎麼去改觀因為本來我提案是凍結5%給你們精進方案當然我們也經過詳細討論也知道需要這筆預算所以我願意改為主決議但是問題是你方法要怎麼做因為我們看到你的這個 |
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水利渠道的部分要更新的長度跟要改的因為已經有酒桃的 有水泥這樣子的 也有土的那你要有11000多公里 要這麼做那麼在渠道還有將近3.4萬座要做 |
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但是我看到就是說111年到113年你的漏水的損失因為現在最每一個我們每天在跟你開會討論那個搶水搶水的事情這邊已經種下去了土都要壞掉了你還不放下來那我們怎麼辦 |
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現在連伏流水都在抽了那怎麼辦所以呢你這個漏水率的部分你幾乎喔是在1000萬公噸到1.5萬公噸耶這個水這麼寶貴而且你八月底呢你就已經達到1.5 |
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將近快要1.16萬公噸了那所以在這樣的情況之下我們又看到喔你的這個輸漏水的幾乎是在大概會是在29點多換句話說將近三成的漏水率像這三是怎樣早有到的時候那你看我們不用每天 |
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常常跟你亂鬧啊農民都拿著鋤頭真的要卡下去啊怎麼辦這是他的財產耶他看到土地一定壞掉他心痛啊所以在這樣情況之下我想聽聽我們到底落水率達到三成我們要怎麼樣去妥善規劃還有你們在執行工程的方面速度還是說你的技巧 |
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工技有什麼可以提升的我待會講聽聽 謝謝好 來 紅衣 紅衣教員我雖然沒有提但是我是鼓勵因為我常常在考察說這些給水排水的菌但是我是覺得你們就是工程的人都很辛苦但是就是說因為我覺得那些水菌的這些的其實都很長然後都要分批分段還要等農作物採收之後才有辦法做 |
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所以我是覺得在你們農水署這邊我完全沒有任何的一個提案我倒是希望說如果你們的預算的經費可以多一點然後就是跟部長多爭取一點就是讓這個農田的這些水菌的排水跟給水因為還包含你的一些水閘門等等我覺得這個對農民是有很大的幫助所以我這個支持 |
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非常感謝楊委員跟洪委員的關心那首先跟兩位委員報告台灣全部的這個軍陸長度一共有7萬多公里那我們的灌溉系統的這個密度是全世界最高的所以我們就是在五年前我們就做了全國這個農田水利設施的這個梁山路的這個總盤查 |
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那之後我們就制定這個每年更新改善的這樣的一個計畫那我們基本上是從這個就是主流效率最高的開始從幹線支線分線一直到小擠那我們還有就是說也跟委員報告有時候農天水利的這個漏水率跟自來水公司的不太一樣因為我們在風水期的時候 |
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事實上我們如果那個時候讓它的水能夠去涵養地下水其實是好事所以我們現在是精準在枯水期的時候怎麼樣讓那些灌溉的這個系統的漏水力能夠降低所以我們現在的目標是設定在就是在枯水期的時候就是比較乾旱的時候那個漏水一定要把它降到最低那也跟各位委員報告 |
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因為這幾年在立法院特別是經濟委員會的委員的支持底下其實我們的這個滲透率已經有大幅的這個改善了那當然我們也期待未來經濟委員會的各位能夠再給我們更多的支持那我們一定會盡快把這個渠道設施把它做好那以上簡報告謝謝蔡組長的說明我想來那個楊委員我是知道說我們濃水署的 |
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人員都很辛苦但是我們有我剛才一直說我們的方法要怎麼去做你的漏水才不會達到三成就除了工程經濟以外因為你現有的條件以前我們幾戶都是農業戶現在他給你改為住宅區不是你所願所以他的道路給你阻斷了我們常常會去碰到這怎麼可口的喇因為他道路把你的水路 |
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阻斷啊所以凍在這裡漏一整天所以這個問題也要注意因為都市計畫的變更導致你的漏水是不是阻因我不知道但是要去詳查我們常常會不會去碰到這樣子啊還是做路把你阻斷了那不知道你已經被阻斷了所以這個部分可能我們還要詳細再盤點一下是 |
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是委員提點的非常的正確那也非常感謝委員在過去因為我們這樣的一個事情是要跨機關的去協調那特別是地方政府這一塊那也很感謝委員經常協調台中市政府那跟我們做一些整理性的這個改善那我們未來會持續朝這個方向來努力好謝謝關於這個農水署第四目農民水利發展農民水利發展我們預算照列好344案來 |
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338改成主決議本來就主決議有有然後李玉琳委員是342也改主決議好344案請蔡總統說明一下 |
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跟委員報告那因為344案最主要是我們國庫那補充給我們全國各地17個管理處的這個分基金那因為這筆錢都是用來這個厚實這個地方的這些農田水利建設那也希望這個委員能夠多多給予支持好我同意預算照列344案預算照列 |
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那340萬主決議遵照辦理專案通過346萬遵照辦理專案通過347萬遵照辦理專案通過348案遵照辦理照案通過好主席主席還有來總裁命委我們的這個小事情啦提案會審表第25頁啊343案是本席跟武力法委員的提案物質到照委的名字還會同意改成主決沒問題 |
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三四三在目錄五的部分有 三四三有改成組決議對 那名字是鍾嘉斌對 名字是鍾嘉斌把名字改成鍾嘉斌那個物質 請醫師能更正一下 |
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4612.8 |
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好 我們回過頭來處理這個會議剛開始的時候這個第二案 第三案 第四案的部分對第二案 第三案就關於沒宣費的部分提案委員兩位都在場 洪委員跟楊委員兩位委員要不要說明一下 還是請他們答覆好 請農業部陳部長答覆 |
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好 那謝謝委員因為煤燻費的部分其實在農業部非常特殊其實我們有非常一大塊的部分是針對我們的國產農產品的一個宣導那第二個部分就是我們的森林的大火需要做一些防災的宣導那第三個部分是在防檢疫的部分特別是防疫的部分從機場的相關的這些旅客的宣導到機上的宣導 |
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4640.074 |
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4661.971 |
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到後續的這些平常的一個宣導所以我們這邊的宣導會其實我們都在用於讓我們的國人知道相關的這些必須該注意的這些事項那還是請委員能夠多支持這個兩位委員如果沒有來 洪委員 |
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4689.483 |
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我是建議還是先我不簡略但是我維持改成凍結然後你們的書面報告要告訴我就是說過去的話你們這些的假設不要太多年三年就好了三年裡頭的話你們這些的業務的項目以及委託給哪些外包的得標的這些的廠商跟這個金額好不好這個沒問題好 楊先生 |
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4712.434 |
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我的是減劣10%就是減劣297萬7剛剛部長有說了我們那個山林會大火我們都要去做宣導這些都要宣導可是你們宣導每一年也是在燒宣導的成效 |
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4713.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
4737.306 |
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對不對 你們方法要怎麼去改現在的宣導跟以往的宣導也不一樣因為幾乎現在很少人在看電視啊手機啊 短視頻啊 這些創文啊有沒有去做調整你的目的這個費用就是要花在人家可以看得到的而且它的內容可以改變他的觀念 |
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4738.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
4759.485 |
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他不可以抽菸隨便亂丟啊 穿帽的時候不能隨便每一次都是都是火燒山啊那為什麼我們每一年編列了這麼多預算你們一樣在宣導 但是每一年都一樣這樣子燒那我們要怎麼樣去調整 所以我是這樣建議共節100萬 把方法拿出來 |
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4779.833 |
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好 謝謝兩位委員那兩位委員都同意就剪裂不剪裂我們用這個凍結那凍結的金額我是把兩位委員做一個折衷因為紅圍民事要凍結那兩位是100了按300好不好300 |
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| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
4796.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
謝謝紅委員跟楊委員楊委員一席話 黑夜遇到明燈 |
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4808.161 |
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好我們第二案 第三案我們關於媒體政策及業務訓練導費的部分我們這個2972977萬3億我們凍結200萬一個月之內提出書面包括之後的凍資最後處理第四案 楊委員提案請農業部陳部長說明 |
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怎麼樣 第十任 |
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這個部分的話是發揮中心園區研究發展中心那他去年9月1號成立那部分有一個科技研究發展就是3000多萬那其他的3億多除了我們的基本營運費用之外大部分是為了要園區已經20年的時候那些基本公共建設的一些規劃那在這個提案裡面有提到說希望我們能夠協助整個包括剛剛楊委員有提到說跨域的部分這個我們會來加強跟努力 |
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這位主席這位主席是徐信義委員他非常的關心因為在地方上對他們也是一個很重要的大事所以我也希望相關單位去給他說明清楚未來你們的方向你們的方法要怎麼做你們的進度到底是怎麼樣因為大家會關心地方的盛世好不好那我們就就照原列數但是你們務必要去跟徐委員說明清楚謝謝 |
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好 謝謝楊學禮 我預算照例好 請醫生宣讀協商結論先讀協商結論第一案 該組決議 |
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第二案 第三案 媒體政策及業務宣導費 凍結200萬元以一個月內提書面報告第四案 預算照列第一幕 農業科技研究發展 凍結3000萬元 一個月內提出書面報告其中 第五案 第六案 第七案 第九案 第十案 第十二案 第十八案及第十九案均改為主決議第二幕 一般行政 預算照列 |
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4949.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
4954.14 |
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第25、26及27案均改為主決議第三目農業管理動民節5000萬元一個月內提書面報告其中第30、31、32、34、35、36、37、38、39、40、41、44、48、50、52、53、55、56、58案均改為主決議第17案抽案第4目農業發展 |
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4978.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
4985.018 |
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共結3000萬元一個月願意提書面報告其中第61、62、63、65、68、69、70、73、74、76、77、78、79、80、82、83、84、85均改為主決議第71項撤案第7目社會保險業務預算照列第86、87項均改為主決議 |
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5005.97 |
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5027.479 |
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第八目 農民福利業務預算照列 第八八八十九九十案均改為主決議主決議第九十一案至第一百零一案均照案通過第一百零二案修正通過一百零三至一百零五案均照案通過一百零六案修正通過 |
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5028.837 |
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5047.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
第107至111均照案通過112至114均修正通過第115至126案均照案通過第127案修正通過第128案至第144案均照案通過第145案修正通過第146至第155案均照案通過 |
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5064.471 |
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5093.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
更正更正第145至148均修正通過第149至第155案均遭案通過第156案157案均遭案通過第158案修正通過第158案遭案通過理業及自然保育署及所屬 |
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5095.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
5109.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
預算照列第159、160均改為主決議第二幕一般行政預算照列第161案改為主決議第162案撤案第三幕林業管理預算照列第163、164、165均改為主決議第166案撤案第四幕林業發展凍結8000萬元一個月內提出書面報告 |
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5119.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
5121.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
其中第169、170、173、174、175、179、182、183、185、186、188、189、190、191、193均改為主決議第181案 |
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5136.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
5141.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
主決議第194、195均照案通過196、197修正通過198、199照案通過第200案修正通過200案照案通過農村發展及水土保持署 |
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5155.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
5163.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
預算策略 第202案 撤案第三目 水族保持發展 凍結3000萬元一個月內提書面報告其中 第203 204 205 206 207 208210 212 215 216均搞合主決議第211案 撤案主決議 第218至223案均遭案通過水產試驗所 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
5185.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
5185.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
畢業生教練222張案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
5189.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
5206.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
農業藥物試驗所預算照列第225案改為主決議第226案照案通過茶集藥作物改良廠預算照列第207案改為主決議漁業署及所屬第三目漁業管理凍結2000萬元一個月內提書面報告第228、229、230、231、232、233、234、21、22、23、244均改為主決議 |
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5218.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
5221.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
第四目漁業發展凍結一千萬年一個月內提書面報告第246、27、28、249、20、21、252、253、254、255、257經改為主決議主決議第258案至第261案均照案通過第262至第264案均修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
5242.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
5262.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬第265案改為主決議第一幕動植物防疫防檢疫技術研發預算照列第266 267 268案均改為主決議第三幕動植物防檢疫管理凍結2000萬元一個月內提書面報告 |
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5265.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
5270.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
第269、270、271、272、273、275、278、279、280、281、282、283、284、285、286均改為主決議主決議第289至第291案均照案通過292案修正通過第293、294案均照案通過農業金融署第一幕農業金融研發預算照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
5292.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
5307.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
二九五二九二案均改為主決議第三目農業金融業務預算照列二九七二九八二九九三零一三零二三零三及三零四案均改為主決議第三百案車案主決議三百零五案照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
5308.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
5336.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
農糧署及所屬第一目農糧科技研發預算照列第三百零六案改為主決議第三目農糧管理動計五千萬元一個月內提書面報告第三零八、三零九、三一零、三一一、三一二、三一四、三一六、三一七、三一八、三一九、三二零、三二三、三二五、三二七、三二八、三二九、三三一案均改為主決議主決議第三三四案至第三三六案均遭案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
5337.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
5355.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
農田水利署第4目農田水利發展預算照列第337案至第343案均改為主決議第5目非營業特種基金預算照列第344案改為主決議主決議第345案至第348案均照案通過 詢問並 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
5366.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
5386.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
好謝謝醫生辛苦請問各位同仁我們有委員提案的部分我們照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分我們去我們軍召列請問有異議沒有異議通過不是我不是問你我問他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
5421.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
5424.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
要講啊我沒有講要組個人組決議啊就以我講的說法為準啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
5430.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
5446.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
我剛唸到哪裡啊不是啊 那個172是我的提案我就沒有說改成組決議嘛你要叫我改嗎都已經通過了啦 那個我剛唸到哪裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
5449.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
5473.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
好 再問一次 在場委員有異議沒有通過115年度農業部及所屬單位預算審查完略好 本次會議通過自決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理正式別隨同機關別審查結果調整有關於農業部附屬單位預算非營業部分我們另訂其繼續處理大家辛苦了 現在上會 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
5478.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
5479.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
外面 外面 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
5515.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
5522.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
谢谢观看 欢迎订阅 |