| IVOD_ID |
17476 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17476 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T08:36:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T11:59:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:22:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea6694acf01e408a3a9652e807a0f93f53601341028818003d438eb2a55459edf95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款客家委員會及所屬部分。四、審查客家委員會函送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會115年度預算書案。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:26 - 11:59:00 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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現在繼續開會,繼續進行本日討論事項,請宣讀 |
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討論事項一審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於不當單場處理委員會部分二審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分收支預算案及財團法人客家公共傳播基進會預算案宣讀完畢好首先介紹在場委員及列席官員先介紹王美惠委員 |
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不當黨產處理委員會主任委員林峰正主委客家委員會主任委員古秀菲主委主任秘書吳克能主秘財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長宋庭棟其餘官員請參考列席官員名單 |
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現在進行報告那今天部會安排了兩個那我來先請不當黨產處理委員會林祖恩委員封政報告好三分鐘謝謝主席各位委員各位女士各位先生大家早 |
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今天應邀請來報告不當場黨產處理委員會的115年度施政計畫及稅入稅出預算案首先感謝各位委員先進給本會的支持本會的任務是依據黨產條例進行政黨負責組織及其受多管理人不當取得財產的調查返還追徵及權力回復的工作 |
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本會一百一十五年度的單位預算是根據中央政府總預算編制作業相關的規定來編列以下僅就一百一十四年度預算執行情形還有一百一十五年度預算編列的重點還有預期的跡象請要報告請各位委員先進予以支持 |
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首先就一百一四年度預算執行的情形在稅入的部分本會編列一萬元來受理檔案的閱覽超入及複製等收入決算是九千八百零六元稅出的部分本會一百一四年度稅出預算是四千五百一十五萬元決算數是四千零四十二萬一千八百零四元均依施政計畫及進度來核實致用 |
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以下就是115年度的預算編列重點本會115年度稅入預算編列也是1萬元主要是受理檔案的閱欄、抄錄及複製等資料的使用費收入那稅出的預算編列是5,312萬6千元共分為兩目第一目是一般行政編列4,094萬元主要是人員的維持還有基本行政工作維持所需的經費 |
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第二幕是黨產處理業務編列1178萬6千人主要是辦理政黨負責組織及其受由管理人不當取得財產的調查業務財產申報還有進行調查與處理不當取得財產辦理公開的聽證會維護專屬的網站辦理調查人員的專業訓練等等 |
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另外編列地域備金40萬元那預期的施政績效一共有六項第一個界定政黨負責組織及其受託管理人的財產範圍第二實施獎勵措施鼓勵民眾舉發提供資訊第三辦理政黨負責組織及其受託管理人不當局的財產的處理工作並執行相關的法治程序第四維護專屬網站對外公開調查的事項 |
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第五,辦理調查人員的專業經濟的訓練第六,辦理各項政黨政治與民主深化的業務研討以上是本會115年度施政計畫重點及預算編列的主要內容懇請各位委員先進於指教跟支持謝謝好謝謝林主委補充介紹張志倫委員蘇巧慧委員 |
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客委會已經有工作報告,那今天有安排預算審查,所以請客委會主委針對預算的部分來做簡要的報告,謝謝 |
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主席 各位委員 太閣 今天我擁有所有六十幾位委員 包括一百一十五年度本費含有 還有十五時間的計劃和依選聲明主席含有各位委員的指導和支持本費一百一十五年度的稅務部分一共變率兩千九百七十九萬 |
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包括的匹充紓入50萬 考試報名費350萬重提設施費用235萬 租金紓入1300萬 還有 |
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雜荒樹蔭一千空四十四萬本市一百一十五年初 稅出一算 中窮變率三十五億九千九百四十八萬六千元最高一百一十四年初 鑑賬為五億八千兩百三十五萬三千 |
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他又是感受13.9%有5個計劃說明以下說明第一15年度編列116,627萬5千元盤利及出窮多年發展計劃最高117年度增加的3,938萬6千元他又增加31%第二 |
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一百一十五年度辯列五一 息前一百二十二万六千佣盘里 合总期约发展团 |
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六成份返金 返金揚酬計劃 合格六十三年永續重新發展計劃 含有大數永續窮戶提供重新計劃 最高一百二十四年度減率六億四千八百七十七萬八千 它有減少百分之五十四點五第三 第一年發展方面 共年度減率五億一千七百七十萬五千元判例 |
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項目發力提升計劃最高114新年度 感受117,958.5萬台幣超過25.8%其次 未來推動及文藝服飾大廠台灣海流品牌本年度編列16億2,972.9萬元最高114新年度 增加的1億 |
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八百六十幾萬兩千他有施廢增加百分之七點一 |
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本年度遍列317,531萬盤利及文化博物館的成績幾百最高Q年度增加4,721.9萬元 增加14.4%最後 為了達到以上的市場目標 協助及示威推展本年度民事費及其他 |
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基本行政委員會工作編列316,954萬1千元最高Q年度增加的5千均68萬3千元透視增加15.9%主要因為那兩項的增加以及範圍式空間的調整以上報告請國會委員職高繼續來支持本費申問案之聲 勞力感謝 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝谷主委其他單位報告請參與書面資料並刊登公報現在進行委員詢答前原例做幾點宣告本會委員質詢時間六分鐘必要時得延長兩分鐘今天兩個部會 |
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非本會委員諮詢時間一樣維持5分鐘上午10點30分接諮詢登記因為今天有預算處理本日會議不處理臨時提案請問同仁有沒有意見沒有好如果沒有意見那我們先進行第一位詢答請張志倫委員進行詢答 |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員早我們先請這個客委會的谷主委 |
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首先要請教這個客委會的部分是第一個針對客委會這個新的措施也是民眾所關心的客家幣的發放那客家幣的發放在114年開始那總共是發放這個28萬份 |
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那一份的客家幣是1000元那到目前為止啊那客家幣的使用狀況到今年5月的話依照統計數字是使用率大概是1.5億執行率大概是75%請問是這樣子嗎是那您認為客家幣的整個的政策您是滿意的嗎 |
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到目前為止不是最滿意還有繼續加油的空間繼續加油的空間本席是非常支持客家幣可是我必須要跟主委報告 |
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客家幣的發放是政府推動政策的一個很重要促進消費增加客語之間溝通的一個方式可是我們看到今年115年的預算原本的這個客家幣的發放的規模沒有提升 |
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規模沒有提升然後我們能領取的對象還受限制因為過去一直以來都是一般民眾可以來抽籤可以來領取可是今年我們看到規模好像沒有變大金額沒有上升所以 |
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然後可是我們能領取的人又變少像一般民眾知道我們115年的政策有調整一般民眾不能再抽籤了因為現在都是要特定的身份的人比如說是課與有認證或課與家庭或是現在新增的一個是18歲以下有修這個課與課程的人才能領取那我想要請教主委這樣使用的人數不會比過去使用人數大幅來減少嗎那這樣會不會對於課加幣整個發放的政策 |
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來做一個很就是做一個比較不好的方方面去走是不是請主委來分享一下跟VN聲明因為你發放的時候大家沒有那個熱情熱情不見啦熱情在哪裡對 |
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主要我們二點聽義伯的發放經驗是針對學家畢業的雙點去做通講合法還有使用者以為講合法為主我們要創造一個環境因為我們講二點的時候是沒用的環境沒辦法使用合法的事情我們要創造語言使用的環境所以我們用意要繼續 |
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謝謝主委 主委你當然有你的用心良苦 你希望說未來去使用客家幣 大家一起搶客語搶客語的人越來越多 可是我覺得你在這個利益良善的情況下 還是我本席給你一個建議就是說金額還是要提高一點 使用的人可以擴大讓民眾 |
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不是說只會講客語的人繼續講客語要擴大到其他各種不同的族群我覺得這是比較好因為您剛也特別講說你覺得去年您的這個表現的這個客語的客家幣的發放成績你不是很滿意那我希望說115年大家改變一下也希望你今年努力之下你可以更滿意喔那第二個我們也了解一個很蠻特別的狀況就是說您剛有特別講到要強制店家說客語 |
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所以你有一個很特別的一個政策就是你會派這個神秘客到我們的這個客家的店家來去做了解到底這個店家有沒有確實配合神秘客制度那請問這個因為我相信這個機材人力有限啊那主委你會自己當神秘客去店家走一走嗎 |
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我這個臉出去都還搭就知道要講客家話了吧那你們要怎麼落實呢怎麼落實說神秘客讓客家店家都來講客語主要這樣我們已經有15個已經有對外15個在做神秘客的領銷那領銷一聽我要說什麼 |
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再來有給他們一些獎金嗎?有有有,有車碼費這些神秘課有車碼費他對學科有熱情,外國學法我們要輸入訓練,我們要培訓,各種的流程可以運用 |
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好 謝謝主委 那也希望你的神秘課會未來的成效我們也可以稍微來瞭解一下那其他我還是要幫這個新北市來請命因為本席在您上任以後將近兩年的時間一直跟您請教就是有關於對於新北市客家族群的照顧我覺得是非常重要的因為新北市的客家人的族群大概到達67萬人它是全台灣第二大有客家人的縣市 |
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那第一大是桃園嘛我們是第二大可是在本席一直在上任以後一直跟您拜託就是博工照護站的這個部分在新北市我們新北市因為我們沒有辦法我們人數比較眾多所以我們沒辦法達成我們以這個鄉鎮區的重點發展區新北市沒有辦法沒有辦法達到這個人數的限制 |
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那你最近推的一個客家社區的部分講客家話30%那因為我不太清楚你們講客家話30%這個人數你們是怎麼去統計你們有個稽查的方式嗎那所以我希望說可是總結你們現在整個規則之下新北市目前能申請博工造戶站的人數請你回答現在大概有幾個人 |
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有適用到 幾個區有適用到博工造戶站 請問主委知道嗎新北 新北鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮鎮� |
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我們目前編列五千萬左右五千萬新北市能申請的所有申請符合資格的才三個社區能申請的社區數量是零所以主委這邊還是要來拜託一下就是您上任兩年的我們新北市我知道您還是有對新北市一些社團長期資金的補助可是如何增加 |
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能服務的更廣的一些博工造戶站因為博工造戶站大家知道都很好就是讓我們的長輩跟我們的下一代或下下代大家可以用互動的方式來去傳承客語我覺得這是非常重要所以我還是要拜託主委繼續努力來看看可不可以讓新北市終於有一個博工造戶站可以真正的進駐到時候我一定會跟你到現場一起去關心這些喜歡客語的這些鄉親 好嗎 |
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只要身邊的社區、身邊的市政府體重下去,我們都會全力支持好,我會支持新北市來推送,可是你的標準要再放寬,再放寬一點,好不好?已經放寬了,可是新北市人數還是使用不到 |
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我請不當當參委員會林主委 |
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主委好好 主委好主委 這個不當黨產委員會是在105年成立到今年已經滿10年了總共的經費已經花了人民的納稅錢5億多可是您常常在講您的最大願望就是結束黨產會 |
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這個事情我看你在媒體上已經大概三四次多次表示要結束可是到現在都還沒有結束那我是不是請教您是不是今天再表示一下您認為多久可以 您的責任到底什麼時候會結束那到底黨產會現在運作的功能到底在哪裡 是不是可以簡單講一下所謂要終結黨產會當然是希望不要再有不當取得財產 |
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那我們已經透過法律的方式來取回不當取得財產但是所有的行政處分現在幾乎都進到法院裡面所以黨會的功能是不是只剩下研究報告 |
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我們大概有八九成的訴訟還在進行當中因為法院的速度不是我可以控制的我也希望法院能夠加速現在大概有關於覆水組織的案子大概我們都在初審的階段都勝訴了那有的部分已經確定了沒有啊最近近期黨產會重大行政處分包含國發院格實院三十二億的追責案中廣七十七億的追責案 |
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還有這個就中央黨部11.3億的罪證案 黨產會都敗訴啊對 有的部分有敗訴敗訴的理由是法院對於已經處分的財產它在我們看來它是添加了法律不該有的限制因為法律的有關不當取得財產的定義你還記不記得你上次跟媒體說明說你覺得黨產會多久內要結束 你還記得那個年限嗎 |
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我沒有特別說哪一年我的意思是說盡快好像有在媒體上說三年內你記得嗎我們就是盡快如果訴訟改成又盡快了如果訴訟沒有結束我們沒有辦法把這個任務完成啊所以你的意思是你把來說的三年是說等法律官司全部結束後如果官司可以結束那當然趕快結束這個我同意 |
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完全同意也認同所以主委你今天要在這邊改口嗎你要等到法官我沒有改口你要改口說你覺得你的任期到什麼時候我的任期到2028年那2028年訴訟還沒結束你還要爭取繼續在庭院這要看訴訟沒有結束的狀況是什麼 |
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那主委你今天是重大的宣示重大的改變喔你當時是我沒有改變啊任務還是要完成才能結束嘛我想應該不會說任務沒有完成就要結束你任務訴訟就算沒有結束的話因為你們調查已結束啊那可以把他的這個條例訴訟的過程其實就是要花人民納稅錢來成立黨產會啊 |
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訴訟的過程其實是調查延續因為訴訟裡面這個原告方會提出不同的意見我們還是要繼續調查提供法院一些相關的檔案去參考並不是說我們處分完成就結束如果被處分的話我們就沒有這個事情了 |
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請再講一次如果被處分人不去提行政訴訟當然就沒有這件事情雙手舉手投降就沒有這件事情但問題我們是法治國家他有權利去提這個訴訟但我們就要代表國家去應訴如果他提出不同意見我們當然要提出相關的證據尤其是相關的檔案所以調查等於是還在延續當中主委你這樣說不通 |
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所以我說你們是一個任務型的組織齁不能說你們其實證據調查都已經到終結因為我們有法院在審議法院的速度不是有不應該浪費人民納稅錢的部分你們就應該比如說你今天你剛剛是之前講了嘛三年內任期到期當場就應該要結束了嘛其實我相信你的同仁也都是這樣子去想的事實上沒有結束這個任務沒辦法完成你要一個人留在這個位置上嗎 |
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我沒有這樣說對啊好不好所以我還是要拜託啦我們也希望法院加快審理的速度啊好那我還是本席在這邊還是要非常沉重的說啊就是黨產會當時的成立啊其實就是一個仇恨的一個過程的一個產生啊那我覺得如果黨產會喔如果你們覺得你們責任已經都做完了只是在一些訴訟中的因為有些人的上訴而整個時間累積其實可以把黨產會的功能交給各部會去做 |
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那今天主委的說明本席覺得非常的遺憾你認為訴訟沒有結束你就一定要坐在這個位置上我覺得這是非常不符合當時黨產會成立的一個目的那雖然希望主委自己回去可以好好思考一下今天的發言好不好我們的責任是取而不當取的財產那但是因為有訴訟的關係耽擱了好謝謝好謝謝張志倫委員接下來我們請蘇巧慧委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請鼓諸位 |
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主委好 那我今天依然要跟您討論這個過去我長期關心的問題第一個就是博工照護站 第二個是客家幣我在去年四月的時候呢 就跟您詢問過這個博工照顧站在新北的設立狀況嘛那今天的話我想要這樣的 主委請您解答一下博工照護站設置的目的是什麼 |
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主要那些在學家 從前發展起的學家總批就在用他的熟悉的語言跟長者一起過快樂的生活以外讓客家長輩用熟悉的語言可以在這個地方享有自己熟悉的文化嘛這樣等於是對文化傳承也好對健康照護也好 對吧 |
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但是只有在客家重點區域嗎因為同樣是客家鄉親其實全國都應該被照顧嘛所以博工照護站的目的不分重點區域或非客家重點區域其實都有一樣的目的就是為了照顧客家的長輩讓他們可以在熟悉的環境這個目的應該沒有錯吧 |
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這沒有錯嘛 好來 那我就請問喔我在去年四月的時候就跟您討論說我覺得這個婆宮照護站真的利益良好可是問題是我新北就是非客家重點區我新北明明就有六十七萬的客家鄉親是整個台灣第二多客家鄉親的地方但是因為我們的生活形態就是散居的狀況啊而且 |
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400萬裡面的67萬我就是佔比就是17%就是17%你不管調到多少我現在的佔比是這樣所以如果你的佔比沒有到一定程度的話我永遠都不會變成是你的照護政策裡面的狀況所以你看看 |
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我就要求說博工造戶站在去年的時候他有一個客庄這個是正面區然後是客家社區但是客家社區也有一個條件他已經放寬了去年已經放寬了我很感謝客委會在我們一直的要求之下從客庄放寬到客家社區 |
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但客家社區的時候你是人口還要到50%使用客語的人口要到30%去年去年的時候去年的時候是到50嘛去年從客庄到客家社區嘛這是放寬好我們說有進步但是不會再進步好所以你今年是不是又放寬了有嗎有有3% |
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你剛剛跟我們這個前一位委員在質詢的時候選達的時候也是討論新北的問題你說新北有多少地方可以申請三個三峽有一個里安坑里三重永福里三芝清泉里 |
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三個喔 可是你們科委會給我的資料是六個六個里 三個區 六個里所以有六個里 我新北有一千多個里裡面有六個里 可以來申請那六個里裡面 請問哪一個重 |
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哪一個可以申請哪一個可以申請有條件申請沒有都沒有來申請都沒有來申請但是哪一個有條件來申請您知道嗎因為他們的辦法是架構在西極長照在上面所以他們就沒有他們沒有長期在一起的機會 |
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我告訴你今天的問題就是這樣子今天的問題是首先你對客庄、客家社區有一個定義接下來又對使用客語的人口數有一個定義在接下來這個計畫還要嫁接在C級照護站上面所以一層一層下來之後老實講我新北市一千多個里裡面一共只有三重的永福里 |
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因為它又比例上符合客家社區的百分之三十同時兼具C級照護站一千多個里裡面只有這個三重可以申請所以你剛剛在說我們要鼓勵新北市政府要多申請我老實講啦這個部分的話我也要替新北市多講幾句話你如果條件不放寬不考慮我們新北市客家鄉親的生活型態的話 |
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就算我今年有幸得到大家的信任我明年當選新北市長我一樣沒有辦法來申請我一樣沒有辦法申請啊所以追根究柢我認為你這個條件放寬就是應該要放寬到大家真正可以用到回到博工照護站主要的設置目的讓客家長輩們能夠在熟悉的語言熟悉的文化當中可以得到快樂的生活 |
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這個健康照護這才是博工照護站的目的嘛我再次的強調新北市就是散居的狀況散居的客家鄉親我們的生活形態是什麼不是用禮別來分啊我們是用客家社團來分啊我跟您反映一下啊你看看我的板橋有55萬人 |
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如果按照你的30 使用客與溝通人數要佔常駐人數的30%以上才可以來申請的話我要先找到16500人 |
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所以我記得你們這個調查室發放這個李明通知書之類的嘛對不對去做書本、紙本的勾選所以我要有16500人勾選我才有辦法來申請板橋的博工兆路站那我自己樹林18萬裡面要5400人新莊42萬人裡面要12600人 |
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英哥九二人兩千七百人你覺得這樣合理嗎我覺得一點都不合理啊你應該要考慮的是我們的生活型態所以我具體的建議其實在非客庄的這種地區非客家重點文化區尤其是像新北這種散居的部分婆公照戶站我今年我這次的質詢我具體的要求 |
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應該是以該行政禮別當中如果有活躍的客家社團比如說樹林新庄主委您常來嘛其實哪幾個區有這個客家客屬會客家鄉親會其實您非常非常清楚而且您非常的關心應該是有客家社團者 |
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那個地方有C級照護站,他們就可以來運用因為客家社團其實就跟C級照護站的這個重疊比例性是非常非常高的主委您同意嗎?可以朝這個方向演繹嗎?感謝榮燕,我祝福我們年輕時跟我們的同事一起去研究在從事發展企業的事業提起所謂我們要運用的,去達到要爭取的目的,我們一起去研究 |
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我具體我再一次整理我的重點我的重點我的具體建議就是博工站入站的設置目的竟然是照顧客家長輩那麼請嚴肅面對散居地區客家鄉親散居地區的生活型態我們是以社團為主 |
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的聚集方式 而不是以禮別的聚集方式請讓博工照護站的申請方式以客家社團的活躍程度 設立程度為條件請以要這個方向來研議我希望今年恐怕是來不及了但是明年的話我希望能夠看到是往這個方向前進這是第一個那第二個 |
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客家幣的部分我上次也跟您請教過所以剛剛您在回答前一位委員的時候其實也跟我們描述了今年客家幣申請的改變方式主委您可以再講一次今年的發放方式嗎 |
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我想請問你這個新增的第三類預計有多少人 |
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目前的引書18萬人好 那去年 我們這樣等於一是去年有的 二也是講客語的 通過客語考試的 客語認證的客語家庭的這兩個是去年有的去年這樣的兩個這樣多少人去年呢 兩個抽籤25萬份加上抽籤25萬份 |
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加上抽籤25萬不是前面兩項3萬然後後面25萬加起來加起來25萬好那所以這樣的話等於是前面兩項3萬後面等於是有22萬的人次嘛抽籤的部分嘛對不對 |
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總共25萬那麼今年這兩項不變那預估應該也還是3萬啊或者再多一點再多一點可能會再多一點可能會再多一點好那現在你後面預估有18萬人現在在學習的課宇的學生幼兒園等等有18萬人嗎你的標準是怎麼認定我們會提供報告跟名單非公立不一樣 |
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大學有18萬人在休息大學有18萬人在休息 |
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學幼兒園到高中到高中到高中幼兒園到高中有十八萬有十四萬的學生 四萬的新生包括新生這是有具體數據的有具體數據 具體人好 那個柯委會麻煩給我一份資料這樣子既然你們有的話應該是不用再勞煩公務員嘛應該是很清楚的狀況我要了解 我要表達的是這樣子啦我們認為 |
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改變客家幣的發放本來就是一個誘因要讓大家更願意使用客語所以它是一個獎勵性質的狀況配合現在的發放條件我們贊成這樣的轉變我們贊成但是呢同時我們要顧及到的是對客庄的商店那現在也很高興主委從善如流現在到非客庄的商店也可以來使用了 |
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那這個部分來講的話你也要讓這些商店覺得說真的有人來消費我有賺到錢這樣我有好處我才能讓這個計畫繼續活絡所以你的發放對象如果不夠多的話老實講就沒有人要來消費啊我賺的錢不夠多我為什麼要參加這個計畫所以我想知道的第一個就是我們這次的參與可以得到發放可以得到客家幣的人數有多少有沒有變化你現在說 |
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至少有18萬 我們很高興聽到這個數字因為不比去年少那這樣 這個是一個 我們要看數據那另外一個的話就是店家的部分到5月31日就申請截止了嘛 對不對那去年幾家 現在目前為止幾家去年的1800萬多也不是5萬人家在生產5萬人家 |
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一樣嗎我們希望是能夠有看到具體的數字尤其是因為我們這個跟您討論之後呢那您也答應了是在非客庄的地方只要有 這樣子的一個特約商店就可以參與嘛所以表示範圍是擴大所以我們想知道你們做了多少的推廣努力以及現在的成效在非客家重點文化區 |
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的部分有多少客家商店加入這個計畫我們想了解這個資訊五三一快到了麻煩提供謝謝好感謝美燕謝謝蘇巧慧委員接下來我們請張宏祿委員詢答來請出位客委會 |
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這個主委這個其實大家都很關心客家文化的傳承但我發現現在很多客語認證什麼其實考試考過人越來越多但實際上能講的主委你認為有越來越多嗎 |
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也不是很容易說的考試不等於使用語言的能力故事我們才會想透過客家BI媒介創造一個生活上使用的可能擴大這個環境 |
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沒有錯啦我先請問一下去年客家幣的執行的成果到底如何比如說我們剛主委有聽到比如說今年有18萬有什麼好比如說我們發出去的這些多少它的使用率到底有幾成 |
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都目前為止使用率75%QE都壓下75%所以我們預估使用是七成不能我們預估就使用七成對嘛其實主委七成感覺很高但我必須要說我拿到客家幣其實我沒有什麼成本 |
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我的成本幾乎沒什麼但為什麼還有將近2乘5不是講就確定2乘5的人沒有去使用這是不方便嗎我是拿了他也忘了或者是他的下一代去幫他拿然後根本就沒有去用這個部分你們有沒有去探討過 |
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我覺得第一步可以先看 |
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我在都會區拿的,還是我在客家莊拿的我相信在客家莊或是在那個,它使用率會比較高但可能如果在都會區,我可能我拿了但我必須要到這個奶工的這個餐廳裡面或上面去,它可能有點距離,它可能拿了 |
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他想說反而我拿的時候是沒有成本但我如果真的要去花的時候我要花的成本划不划得來會不會有這個情況發生當然有 當然有議員說的那些情況那些就是那些已經是我們的目的了就是雖然說拿的沒成本的一千元但是我們要花再花兩千元三千元去交通還有其他的 |
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購物、旅遊等等,其實那個人的另外一個用意啦,不做的行業拍檔沒有錯啦,當然我們這個客家幣啊我們是希望有更多人認同客家文化然後去啦,不然其實啊你也知道,像我過年啊,我回故鄉回鄉下的時候啊欸,老一輩的人很多人不知道有客家幣這個東西 |
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他的客家話講的實在是最好的耶那他根本不知道有這個東西耶那我覺得這個可能我們要再想一想當然我不是說我們要去這個因為他客家話把這個講得很好那不是我們重點的宣傳對象所以我在這邊我要延伸就是一個主委 |
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我們很多的客家莊或什麼的其實很多人尤其是長輩什麼的其實是務農的比較多吧對不對那我們有沒有想過我們用客委會啊比如說來弄一個客委會認證的客家莊然後 |
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客委會的認證的我可以用客家幣然後呢我是認證的我這個是客家的果園然後他有什麼什麼什麼的那我的客家幣我的什麼不一定要到餐廳我也可以購買農產品 |
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主委你認為呢?現在目前來說,那些商店不含之以的類別所以開封所有的都做得不不不,我知道在商店裡面他什麼都可以賣,但 |
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我們如果可以照顧我們自己的客家鄉親他有他的果園他有他的什麼的那我們也可以直接跟果園採購啊他本來就會講客家話啊他只是沒有登記沒有什麼他不是一個商店而已啊那我們有沒有考慮過可以也可以直接買農產品昨天跟委員報告沒有錯就委員說的替白求顏兩人一行的事情 |
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因為他聽說有營利事業登記證做商店我們今年新啟動的2.0個人自然人也可以成為商店我知道你們今年是可以這樣嘛對不對所以果農可以果農可以我的意思就是說我知道他可以 |
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以你們今年的人我知道他可以但他不知道他可以啊他也不會啊所以可能會宣傳是這個我們要宣傳我覺得不只是要宣傳而已我覺得我們可以跟地方政府的客家局或什麼的 |
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跟他們講輔導他們不然他不知道啦他每天就是在那邊啊很辛苦他怎麼會知道這個我要說的是這個啦這個如果可以直接我覺得我們客家鄉親的感受會更多而且他購買農產品或什麼的我不用開車再去我可以他就現在這個配送那麼發達 |
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他就可以這樣子賣我覺得主委你們可以思考一下另外 |
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我們一直講客家 我跟你講會講的人真的是越來越少啦考試 我跟你講你叫我去考試我可以考得過啦但叫我很流利的講我也沒辦法變成要好像是第二重語言現在台灣年輕的客家人大概都是這樣子 |
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我們會不會要從生活當中然後這樣我這樣子現在很多縣市都免費的學校中午營養午餐那為我們有沒有要想說在生活中我們也要跟教育部去溝通去配合這個免費營養午餐裡面一個禮拜有沒有一次 |
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可以吃客家餐或是客家的料理然後從那裡去推廣,你覺得呢?那是一個好的想法,我們做的單一來跟地方的學校合作好啊,我為什麼要這樣呢?第一個,也可以在生活中他就知道這個是客家菜,這個是什麼 |
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他吃的好吃他對客家文化他會覺得這不錯那另外一個也可以照顧我們客家的鄉親我們就是在地食材可以在地購買客家的東西我覺得啦很多的客家的元素我們都在生活裡面但都沒有被提起 |
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對不對 我們很多的這個水果 其實都是從客家莊裡面出來的但大家不知道 就少了一個品牌在那裡啦我是覺得這樣子 我不知道主委您的看法我們觀音堂這樣的做法 我們的年代 其實如果這樣已經是在家裡了啦 |
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客家的風味的食材、食物歐伊料理比賽也好歐伊種植也好歐伊做加工也好有種合作對象可以增加一個合格感冒壓的那個規劃的想法我再給我三十秒就像主委你說的我們去農業客家的料理比賽今年的前幾名的我們希望教育部在營養午餐也幫我們推廣這幾樣菜 |
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順便可以介紹一下當然不是叫廠商 請學一下大家我覺得這客家文化 尤其在客家莊你這樣子的話 會讓年輕的一代多多認識客家好 我想感謝委員的提供好 謝謝好 謝謝張鴻祿委員接下來我們請許中信委員質詢 |
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主席 各位同仁 我們有請客委會谷主委我客語我岳母在罵我的時候我聽得懂但是我不會講所以容我用這個國語來跟你做質詢 |
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我看你們的預算裡面很多是補助各地方的客委會那因為我們立法院執行不到所以我只能透過您去督導然後查核看他們補助是否有實效台北市客委會在客家主題公園每年都會辦藝名祭藝名夜那我們可以看到藝名祭的重頭戲 |
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就是很多客家的鄉親會挑擔然後採接此何以故啊這是什麼意涵他要告訴我們什麼主委您知道嗎 |
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在現在在國會在新竹移民廟的時間有連莊現在傳統就帶領我們台北市變成一個活動的中心此言差矣這個移民祭最主要從新埔移民廟這是清代林爽文事件林爽文最後一戰在竹戰 也就是新竹 |
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就像朱一貴最後一站在南科基地這兩地都有一名廟而當時清軍應該是以客家人當先鋒所以林爽文到現在史無葬身之地也不知道埋哪裡但是客家鄉親犧牲非常的多犧牲非常的多用牛車要載回家鄉頭糞 |
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峨眉、山灣、新埔結果當地在新埔有地主願意捐地來做藝名廟但是這個對彝族的家屬要祭拜是非常辛苦的一件事情所以當時做了一個民間藝名也的神話說 |
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藝民也希望在新埔就地安葬那這個是要說服這些遺族啊也就是說你的哥哥 你的兒子葬身在新竹 葬在新埔你要從頭分挑旦來祭拜這是很大的負擔但是如果是藝民也決定的 大家就接受所以呢 後來到了藝民祭的時候 |
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投汶人也挑蛋三彎人也挑蛋峨眉人也挑蛋新埔人也挑蛋都在馬路相逢變成挑蛋的活動這才是真正的歷史也就是我們藝民記要告訴我們後人族群融合的重要性或者敏克不和敏克被受到挑撥 |
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兩邊都非常的受到嚴重的後果其實這個這個意義啊我可以受台灣史的挑戰可以受台灣史的挑戰結果我們台北市客家委員會對這個意涵卻沒有落實連主委您今天跟本席報告也是一個膚淺的表面公務所以我個人認為如果您不贊同我的講法 |
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可以來挑戰看看這是我們台北市客家委員會在我們中央的客家委員會督導之下錢花下去了但是意涵沒有出來那這個錢不是白花嗎主委如何來解釋是否可以督導他們去做一個客家藝名記他的歷史的研究來推翻我這個講法 |
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如果可以推翻的話 我會非常的高興我想不需要推翻啦 想對於歷史的認識有不同的角度啦再來就因爲石頭會館特別是來到台北市 都會區那要怎麼把過去300年前的歷史把它當今 當代大概250年 |
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對大概當代有辦法展現而且是共同參與不分族群的共同參與的一個象徵也確實是不容易啦活動有活動本身的想要訴求的對象方法跟結果閩客河是清朝最怕的也就是現在對岸最怕台灣閩客河所以他一定會挑撥 |
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所以我們必須要藉由我們的歷史告訴我們敏克河這好處所以我取客家人為妻我親身去體驗去實現在陳永華再生的時候他跟劉國軒是客家將軍敏克河康熙根本打不下台灣直到陳永華去世那麼我們現在公平來看台南市政府的客家委員會 |
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受到我們櫃會的補助以後它的績效如何根據台南市政府的客家委員會的資料現在台南地區客家人比例最高的17.9在永康我認為這有可能因為客家人很勤奮讀書所以到永康很多工業區上班但是在清代地圖印了一個HACA英國人做的 |
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英國人做的台灣地圖裡面印的一個Hakka district也就白河、南溪、玉井現在它的數字南溪是6.83南溪有東西煙我們接受東西煙是客家地名我可以確信玉井6.18那也可以接受白河 |
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竟然只有2.79在台南各區倒數第11白河有客庄內客庄內很大喔在現在白河的旁邊一個很大的社區他的宗教我去看的確是非媽祖啊 北極全天上帝客庄內那個村莊很大白河那邊還有這個少安厝 |
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少安厝 海豐 看地名就知道是客家人白河 它的人比例只有2.79 只有800人容期0人 最後一個主委您覺得台南市客委會這樣的一個研究有把您的錢好好的運用 |
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像台南市的裝潢跟一般的客家裝很不一樣那它運用的對象比較多是促進族群間的認識跟理解主委我們要恢復客於白河地區20%到25%的人口是客家人從地名就知道根據台南現時代所做的白河的政治 |
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的研究百分之二十到二十五是客家人我們要恢復客語這裡是最需要恢復的不是嗎在恢復客語之前首先是要認同啦我想應該是沒有認同他們是很認同白河我們不敢講說他們當地的居民不認同客家的語言文化而是我們政府沒有做到所以我們台南的客委會人口調查都這麼離譜 |
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那那個錢沒有下去貴會有沒有督導有沒有評估如果那個錢下去沒有督導沒有評估那本席在這裡質詢你就浪費時間了不是嗎因為這個錢是間接到各地的地方委員會所以我個人認為我身為一個客家人的社長 |
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我對客家人的文化、語言非常的重視我們也希望透過客委會能夠積極的去督導各地的客委會能夠盡到他們的職責謝謝主委督導不敢,我們互相一起合作謝謝主委感謝許委員謝謝許中興委員接下來我們請王美惠委員質詢 |
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主席我們這裡顧主委 |
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老蔣 我知道大家當時都替你探討過一個博工戰在博工戰裡面 說實在 我非常關心和贊同這個照顧但是我亦亦等不等像你們的規定這樣 到27日 永遠都等不到 |
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因為我們都沒有辦法申請 我覺得在保管站裡面你們說的 要有私人 雖然你們也很用心我們說的事實上在以前已經收了50% 現在也蓋了30%這我都知道很用心 但是在主管當中 你要想到每一個管制 |
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客家人所住的不一樣像剛才蘇朝威委員說的因為有很多在他們的地方他們這區 也不一定都住在這裡也不像嘉義市那麼特別雖然他們是站在中間要到嘉義市的林考所的10% |
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在這個過程當中,跟義青說到客家人住的地方大家都知道鹿寮里因為鹿寮里鹿寮的地方差不多都客家人住的地方在這個過程當中 |
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我又感受說,這做得很好,這也有需要去照顧跟台中的聽眾說,因為地方沒有申請,所以我們也沒辦法像台中也有資訊說,如果你們不給英文簽署 |
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所以主委,在這個過程當中,我認為靠北的經費,用在靠北照顧這裡是大事我相信每一個委員都贊同,要不說每一個委員都贊同當中像我來說,我自己是稱不上,這是非常好的一個政策 |
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在這個過程當中 主委我待會問完 你再做一次講因為在這個過程當中 你就是要創造文化嘛還要去設這個站嘛 跟在這個站當中你也延伸過來 就是非客家的社區裡面也可以去申請 但是申請當中 |
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一定在正當我們有五百五十幾個去申請我們今年超過五十五個六百幾個在六百幾個當中你們再選一個規定說如果貴客家的社區來申請最多可以請六萬個而已 不能夠那麼多 |
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但是我覺得既然你要照顧這裡的四大人,要讓他們知道我們靠北的文化,你會覺得這兩萬戶的限制會太久嗎? |
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尤其你在這個規定當中,以前在訂單三千幾萬,現在也增加到五千幾萬但我在這裡,我不是說你不要增加,因為我所了解的就是,我們本來有五百多萬 |
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到現在已經六八幾十萬了所以一定要增加時間 增加當中你會客家的社區裡面的限制有一點點嚇唬一下來 主委 在本席剛才跟你說的到現在是不是來回答一下 來 |
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感謝王議員 王議員說的問題跟剛才蘇委員說的有十八個一樣就是他分散 客家人口分散我沒有分散 我是很少跟這些人說大體都料理那麼多是是是 所以故事我們會回頭來討論這樣的情形到底博光照護站 |
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可以怎麼落實到非客家重點發展區裡頭那跟客家 客家人跟客家文化有關的也要長者的照顧上這是第一個 |
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第二個關於預算兩萬塊確實很少但是因為我們的總預算就是這麼多我必須要衡量總預算的情況之下來分配所以這個要請蔣委員多多包涵這個恐怕我還是沒有辦法沒關係 因為主委因為你們知道這個也不可以讓你們 |
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平均台一天會活動多少錢 說實在很不夠因為我是提出意見 因為這是 |
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政府的錢,所以選一角,我們都要非常期待,去用只是覺得說,有不足的地方,你要多研議一下你說兩萬塊,你就覺得很多,因為我們可以再合作一點,比較好在這裡面,也說這個博工站,剛才主委說 |
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說要上市去看怎麼去改善 要去注意 希望主委大家都一路進展 都可以在客家人的心中擁有尤其照顧這裡的大人 主委 |
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第二點,醫生裡面,你們有新增一個六天的規約,總共有六十五個月,在六十五個月當中,一八十五年會第一次的,你們變成十六個月 |
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你要辦各行過去國家議員會議會在這個議會當中我們的國家傳播行銷會議會看來是不是跟這兩行有稍微不同 |
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再來幾位當中你們有一個各自的客流文化內容就是說要拍攝電影的作品要去全世界的人看我們中華民國的台灣的客位所有的文化,他們的保留,他們的生活 |
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這一點的時候 我要問主委你們這是要做什麼你們的預算當中是中間要到2月你們是要做什麼來同委員報告喔161地方有報告要加加天使台的養育 |
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所以要做責任一般醫生 |
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主委,你覺得錄影後,自己報上,我認為你看到我們原住民的小朋友,帶著一堆去到外國的時候,一唱歌,那是感動嗎?你有看到嗎?有所以主委,我是怎麼說,我們錄影的、做的、拍片的 |
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都有一點沒有真實感但如果能夠培養一隊我們國家隊的能夠在現場表演的時候我相信你這個選團一定會更好所以主委我認為 |
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在教育委員會的電台,我們都一定要配合要支持的經費但是我最高興的就是拍片後,說實在怕沒人看因為如果人家出去唱我們教育委員會的歌 |
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像我們童話劇你看那些小朋友在那裡表演在那裡跳唱歌那個多生動啊主委我認為你們這個議程的時候你們可以去演繹一下因為我覺得各方面都來做可以讓你們要愛 |
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會成功 國學好好不好 主委您感覺咧我跟議員報告齁 目前有一個國家兒童客家合唱團就像議員所講的 皮育 年輕生育的合唱團也有國小階段的主委 要這樣 這樣齁 要趕快給他們表演一下 |
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謝謝王美惠委員接下來我們請黃婕委員詢答好 謝謝主席 我們先請谷主委 |
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好 昨天早今天有兩件事情就教第一個是客家語言發展法的進度那這個其實從2018年就已經修法說要明訂這個客家語言發展法那現在也過了8年了那其實2024年的時候我也有問你說這個進度怎麼樣那現在呢其實還是看到說這個發展法的原版好像還是沒有什麼進度所以在這邊想要請教這個會期到底有沒有機會送進來呢 |
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感冒委員報告齁 我原先預定喔 要飛去送進來但是院裡面還要再討論還要再討論是 還要再討論那其實就我所知現在提供的最新版本的草案其實大部分都已經收斂許多了那很多有爭議的地方其實要跨部會協調的也差不多找到共識了那差不多應該是要收攏然後可以送進來的階段才對啊 |
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但是慎重起見可能還要再召開一次院裡面的協調某問題就會再送過來所以這個會期有沒有機會我們這個會期很長你還有時間好不好好 這個會期拜託你 |
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那另外一件事情是剛剛包括巧惠委員跟美惠委員都有提到剛好也是我今天想要詢問的重點就是這個博工照護站因為就我所知原本這個客家社區的門檻是50%那現在已經調降30%了所以呢其實我們高雄包括三明、鳳山、鼓山有幾個里是符合資格的像是三明就有兩站嘛安東社區、冥想社區、鳳山也有三站那我們鼓山龍子社區也有一站 |
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那這是一個這個降低門檻讓更多社區可以參與我認為很好但是還是有一些理其實客家人口也也蠻多的但是不符合資格為什麼因為他們是散居這個就是剛剛幾位委員都提到同樣的問題就是像我們像我們交委啊這個左營男子其實也有很多客家人我們這裡林亞區也有很多客家人像是林亞區就有19200位客家人口但是 |
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他們因為不符合你們那個單一里的門檻因為他們是散的所以其實即便一萬九千位已經是差不多超過三個里的人口了但是他們還是沒辦法申請那我覺得非常非常的可惜所以這邊是不是有機會來調降不只是調降啦就是說這個條件的放寬可以是像剛剛曉慧文建議的就是可能以客家社團或者是他們固定有因為他們不一定住在同一個里但是他們可能會在同一個地方聚會 |
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那他們一樣是一個群聚的客家人口那我覺得這個都是你們應該要鼓勵的啊嗯 感謝委員或是國土委員都提到這樣的問題啦是故事喔 非好還要跟我們的同事齁真的研究看應用的來設計它的呃 呃 風向計劃來符合獨私合格的樣態啦 |
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好那這個是希望說在這邊也真的要希望說這個條件可以再檢討因為其實客家人口他們群聚的方式可能就不一定是這麼硬性的就所以呢你們這樣其實是會把很多其實散居的人很可惜他們沒有被包含到你們這個可以鼓勵的範圍裡面所以這個是希望在這邊希望谷主委可以讓這個好的政策可以照顧到更多的客家人口好這邊先感謝那我們是接下來請這個林主委 |
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午安好 |
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好 主委好 在這邊就要請教了因為我覺得當然去年你們歷經了一場浩劫這邊事先覺得說主委整個黨產會很辛苦的地方包括說去年這個黨產業務的處理費被砍了九成那甚至政策宣導費百分之百都被砍了那甚至是很多相關的預算黨產會去年真的是我認為是很辛苦啦對這個台灣的轉型正義來說我覺得都是一大的打擊 |
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那我在這邊想要請教的是這個當然不當黨喘的追討是一條非常漫長的路因為世界各國的這種轉型正義其實都是歷經非常非常長的時間才有可能有一點進展那這個是絕對不能放棄而且要非常非常有耐心的我知道說這條路很辛苦但是還是希望說轉型正義的路不能停下來但是呢最近的幾個 |
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比較讓人失望的例子是這個3月11號這個中國國民黨的舊的中央黨部那我們黨場會敗訴嘛但是我看一下這個內容喔其實他有點遺憾的是因為變成是他說形式上有償但是實際上是濫權的這種手法萬一接下來不斷地在類似的訴訟當中出現那會對我們要進行轉型正義有非常大的挑戰 |
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就例如說前陣子之前這個大紹大樓的案子他很明顯就是當初特權榜標嘛這個然後之後又出租然後又這個轉售那其實獲利近八億那甚至是還有最近這個國發院的案子也是都是類似的情況就是很明顯都已經是當初的這個國家機器利用特權強佔 |
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民間的資產那進行他們個人的獲利那我覺得這種特權的過去的歷史的不正義本來就應該要去扭轉啊但是在法院上面卻因為沒有這個很實質形式上的這個證據導致說我們在面對這一些歷史的不公不義 |
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沒有辦法獲得社會的一個公道那我在這邊想要請教的是類似的例子不斷的出現那面對這些敗訴的案子接下來我們黨產會有沒有進一步的作為或者是我們要如何面對讓社會知道說即便法律上沒有還我們公道但是轉型正義的路還是要走下去啊好 謝謝委員的問題 |
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剛才提到那三個案子包括國民黨的舊中央黨部還有台北市的大校大樓還有國發院的案子它都是同一個類型也就是說這些財產國民黨都已經把它處分掉了也就是賣掉了 |
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針對這一類的財產法院要求我們說要去證明說當初是無償取得或者是險非相當對價取得那它的法律根據我們是非常質疑雖然法院的判決我們必須尊重但我們完全不能認同因為檔產條例第四條有針對不當取得財產 |
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做定義那所謂不當取得財產如果被認定之後他應該就是由國家來把他取回 是的 這個是一個我想一個很基本的這個檔案處理條例的原則可是呢這個不當取得財產的定義他怎麼說 他說只政黨以 |
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違反政黨本質或其他背於民主法制原則之方式為自己或其附隨組織取得財產委員我剛念了這一段裡面有特別提到說一定要是無償或者是買便宜的才是不當取得財產沒有啊 |
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也就是說黨黨條例裡面規定的不當取得成本的定義並沒有限制在是無償取得或者前面相當對價取得也就是買便宜了也就是他並沒有說是一定要是最用有價錢上的問題才叫不當取得成本還有很多其他的類型包括特權包括強產那就是一個國產那麼中國國民黨中央黨部來台灣之後就近戰近戰就用了 |
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過了20年以後他想修他迫不得已去跟國產局講得客氣了在我看來這就是請展對他要修的時候他才去跟國產局去簽了一個借用契約還承諾說兩年要還人家後來也沒有還啊然後到了一定的時候過了他就說那我要租那就吸一呼租給他所以說因為他有租所以可以賣請問一下這個過程裡面有正當性可以嗎當然沒有啊 |
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那法院有沒有看到這個他有看到可是他卻用了一個規定規定裡面的條件來套到不當取得財產的定義裡面所以我們認為說如果法院這樣子確定判決就是在告訴社會說不當擋產有兩種一種必須還一種可以不用還這是現在的狀況那我們非常痛心啊因為這三個案件都是這種類型 |
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那法院似乎很想在國民黨已經把這個財產賣掉的部分他希望要劃一個紅線要我們不能越過去可是這個紅線 |
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是法律裡面沒有的這是法院自己畫出來的所以這點我們就必須說要不斷地跟社會來訴求雖然說案子判決已經確定就好像就如委員剛剛提到的那我們還是要持續地告訴大家我們不希望說我們的法院對於轉型正義的態度是這個樣子它居然可以接受說有一些不當決策是不用還的那我們這個檔案條例等於破產 |
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是啦所以這個講起來是很沉重但是我還是希望我們黨產會在不斷的在這個歷史的脈絡之下找到法理突破的空間這個是要希望主委這邊繼續加油的謝謝好謝謝好謝謝黃婕委員接下來我們請廖先祥召委 |
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好 謝謝主席喔我先邀請我們林主委各位早安喔我今天先跟您討論這個金山青年活動中心這個案子它上面有個建物嘛就土地它是新北市政府的 |
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那監護目前是當然會這邊的全署嘛國產署那一邊那現在因為地方上想要積極活化青年活動中心這件事您也知道嘛這樣就是因為土地所有權跟監護所有權這部分有不同 |
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那包括他可能在一些訴訟問題啦我就不講這個修法的問題還怎麼樣啦好沒關係我就依照你們的這個你們現在的見解來看這件事情要怎麼推動下去啊那可不可以先說明一下現在他建屋的目前的一個狀況跟他的法律定位其實金山青年文中心是救國團主動放棄經營所以他願意把那個建屋交還 |
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那土地原來就是新北市政府建物又交還給國產署這些所以它變成是一個都是公家的但是一個是所有權一個是屬於中央一個是屬於地方那這部分其實已經不牽涉到我們的業管了因為這個本來就不是我們的產權也不是我們管理的管理機關也不是我們 |
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所以這個跟我們無關所以現在還有訴訟在裡面嗎沒有 沒有訴訟在裡面沒有訴訟沒有訴訟的問題所以說現在這個黨常會的意見因為這個已經搬走了嘛他已經遷走了所以這個就是中央的這個財產管理機關跟地方財產管理機關怎麼協調的問題好 所以如果說未來國產署有任何有關我們樂觀其成的意見給我們黨常會的話我們樂觀其成你們都會尊重就是好好的去利用你們就會尊重這個國產署的意見嘛好 那謝謝主委那接下來我們請谷主委 |
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這個昨天早上想跟您分享一下當作聊聊天也沒關係其實上次這個園民會來的時候我剛討論到原住民文化在傳承上面 |
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政府的力量有一些補助或者是舉辦一些活動等等的這是一個力量但是有一個很大的力量在於民間他自力更生的一個能力也就是說在講地方創生這件事情其實在國發會一直努力讓地方創生的團體不要藉由補助來過日應該要有自力更生的一個能力那因此我也就建議原民會在推廣 |
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方面能夠多跟國安署去做一些媒合除了國內的一些旅遊推廣那國際的旅客多多來認識那有一些講直接一點資本主義啦或者說直接一點過生活啦的方式讓他們有這個更多的一個支援能力 |
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對他們來說保存文化有更多的一個動力以及我們的餘裕去做我想客家文化也是一樣這樣子的一個概念那社會變遷那本來就是慢慢的在這個減少相關的一些記憶的傳承那所以說我想我們客家文化分兩個部分一個就是國內旅客另外一個就是國際的旅客來了解我們客家文化但客家文化不是台灣獨有的沒錯嘛 |
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客家文化或者是我們的客家朋友大概都是從很早中原然後剝遷到這個中國大陸的南方然後之後再剝遷到來台灣那因此在俗稱的客家人的時候會有在國際上在認知上面會有台灣的客家人以及這個廣東或者是福建中國大陸南方的這些客家人那因此我們在行銷上面我們要在做任何的一個官方行銷最重要的是差異化差異化的部分我們怎麼樣去凸顯我們跟他們的不一樣 |
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那我不曉得譬如說 我隨便舉個例子譬如說 藍染文化 這個算是我們大家非常耳熟能詳的或是飲食上面 大家都吃粿 飯條這上面我們可能在對國際上面去訴說差異性的時候 推廣的時候我們客委會過去有沒有怎麼樣來跟國防署來合作或者說我們怎麼樣再來凸顯我們在地的 台灣在地的客家文化 |
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是,感謝委員,我們從去年二、三、六年來,學費都有朝鮮的公共理由在部分發展,包括國防署,非常多的國內做宣傳,我們會用台的計劃、法律來想 |
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我會給旅客還有國內旅客比如說有季節性的童話劇比如說像藝術劇比如說美食美食的計畫等等它可以構思一般大眾社會大眾可以有法律結束跟那個接觸到的所以跟觀光署的合作還是這樣我會把它放下去 |
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對 那跟國防署的合作之後 那差異化很重要嘛 對不對那我們就譬如說剛剛講的一個燃料文化好了台灣在地的燃料文化 跟廣東 福建的燃料文化有哪些差異 或者說主委可不可以也趁今天這個機會來跟大家做分享 |
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其實沒錯 文化只要在地之後 它會發展出不同的我舉最明顯的例子就是飲食 食物這件事情像以前客家的擂茶在台灣 大家的印象是甜的也是這二十幾年來發展出來的但是在馬來西亞 馬來西亞的客家擂茶是鹹的 |
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是泡飯的所以他要食物這規模供應食物當中不只是這樣國土影響體育的發展比方說像東南亞他有在加國土的香料也在加他在地的咖哩等等 |
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但是台灣不可能用台灣沒有的香料客家的飲食裡面不會有這些香料但是跟菜廳用的食材會有不一樣譬如說像剝菜、割菜、芥菜人工做的梅干菜那個也是因為製作方法跟產出的流程跟黑杯做出來的食物都有不一樣太多了 太多細節了 |
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所以說在國際觀光的推轉上面那也是希望說我們客委會都是客家人一定會有一樣的地方一定也會因為歷史生活長時間的分開有不一樣的地方那也希望多 |
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多多在譬如說就像大家說有一個這個台灣也有一個福建也有一個那個土樓嘛對不對那實際上土樓這個東西在台灣應該是從來沒有從來沒有過嘛對不對在家裡台灣就是三合院嘛對不對但是這樣子的早期這樣的意象可能就跟在地的不一樣人家看得多可能就會認為說去大陸嘛甚至是這個大陸的這個土樓現在也是 |
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不是客家人專屬啦而是其他民族也是有土樓這樣子的一個建築形式那就差異化就沒辦法出來了啦那另外還有一點時間啦因為晚一點也要討論到預算嘛那我個人也有提出一些特別費的一些刪減啦那在這邊也可以先做一些討論啦那我們特別費支出啦因為去年比較特別啦那以前年來講的話我們特別費支出大概分成哪些大的區塊那它佔的比例大概是多少 |
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那個婚喪喜慶上面然後跟對外跟對內對外就是社團社區等等對內就是會裡面的這些的禮品獎金等等那這三部分大概比例由高到低的話 |
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我手頭上的數字我看一下兩層三層五層那五層是五層是對外部民間團體跟有關人士的機關之間的那個互相互相往來然後慰問這樣 |
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那對內的部分呢?對,對內也有,比如說像我們的尾牙啦,類似的都一樣,這個在對內是三層 |
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對內三層我想這個等一下當然討論最後其實我是不知道啦那我認為一個我們諸位啊多多可以把這樣子的預算用在照顧同仁身上那婚喪起敬這個以客委會的名義來說這個我認為是難免的這個代表您就代表台灣的客家群體的一個精神嘛的一個算是很高的一個領袖的地位那但是對外的部分我就認為這個比例超過五成可能有點太多了啦我想等一下還有時間來做一些討論以上好謝謝好感謝美燕 |
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接下來我們請王洪威委員詢答好謝謝主席先請我們的谷主委 |
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主委好 先謝謝我們主委就是在上一次我質詢有關於我們客家幣的執行在1.0的部分並沒有我們雙北市的這個商店那你們在2.0的部分就會擴及到雙北市我先謝謝就是有從善如流 |
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但是我現在還是要幫我們雙北來請命剛才其實有很多委員提到就是我們的博工照護站那我們一年大概都有超過3000萬的一個預算比如說以這個115年來說的話大概將近3900萬可是我們再把它看在各縣市的執行 |
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因為你們這個標準使得很多的都會城市即便它的客家人口 客家鄉親人數很多但是呢 它卻完全沒有辦法分到一杯羹那以我自己的台北市來說台北市到目前為止只有大安區 城安裡 |
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有一個據點一個博工照護站所以呢他出現了我去調我們過去的這個預算執行啊過去十年過去十年這個計劃其實已經很長了 |
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一直到115年今年我們台北市才能夠分配到六萬五千塊我剛才講今年的總預算是大概三千九百萬左右但是呢十年來台北市第一次可以 |
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拿到這個相關的這個我們博工照護站這樣子來服務我們的客家鄉親我認為這很不合理那更不要說像新北市新北市都是掛零啊如果我們今天看台灣的客家人口排行榜 |
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這個新北市高達67萬多人我們台北市也有45萬人但是雙北卻到目前為止只有一個博工照護站我覺得這對我們的這個雙北的客家鄉親來說並不合理所以我在這邊也能夠希望這個我們客委會 |
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能不能去修正我們國公照護站的申請的標準因為你們這個申請標準使得都會去非常困難老師說我看到這個數字比如說像台南台南的人口其實客家人口比我們少很多我不是說台南市的客家鄉親不應該接到受到服務但是台南市的客家鄉親大概13萬人 |
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那我剛才說台北市高達45萬人可是我們以今年的預算來講台南市可以分配到49萬另外高雄市人口數也比我們少能夠分配到214萬但是台北市只有六萬五千塊新北掛零所以我覺得 |
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這不是今年 或者這兩年的事情長達十年的一個狀況所以 主委可不可以 |
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呃承諾這個照護就是這個的申請標準應該做一個適度的好檢討跟這個修正呃感謝鳳議員齁對阿伯的看確實啦齁我年齁的判法齁白宮照護專案判法還是十總啊提合格重點發展去像託研信中沒有你都會前三名啦齁所以呃合格研究十總集中這一件事情是這個政策這個 |
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辦法 補助辦法的標準 目前是 目前是這樣我所謂的土土有幾個議員 包括王議員也要提出來像雙北也都會區的客家的部分怎麼處理也要跟我的團隊再來討論這個補助辦法要怎麼調整然後可以符合到也要散居的都會客家的人口 |
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因為我們今年我們審查今年度的預算嘛因為接下來明年度預算也非常快速都會送到立法院所以我希望你們現在可以開始著手來修正這個政策可以嗎我們會來想想來研議看看然後也會邀請地方政府跟社團共同來討論 |
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是那另外就是我們在也謝謝主委有來跟我在就是協調這個我們相關的預算因為我其中對於這個風雨球場我其中對於我們補助風雨球場我有一些意見但是基本上我在預算上面因為後來我看了你們提供的這個資料你們提供資料也算是很詳細那但是呢我還是會覺得 |
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因為這個河層我有去查一些資料它是賽谷場而且它也提供在過去傳統上它因為它是一個廣場賽谷場然後也提供給我們客家聚落的一個大家小朋友年輕人的一個聚會的場所 |
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但是因為你看我看到你們執行的風雨球場跟原來的這個客家莊的木塘我覺得還是那個味道有走掉 |
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我如果看到這個風雨球場 我以為應該是運動部補助的那我覺得這應該是運動部的職責啦 是不是所以如果你們繼續要做補助我目前願意支持 但是我覺得在它的整個落實的時候是不是可以去呈現這個客家莊的母湯 |
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的一個特色否則的話大家看到就是就是一個風雨操場當然你們的說法是說有些客家鄉親的活動也會在這個地方在大家舉辦可是老實說我們的活動中心我們的一些公園我們台北市也常常舉辦這個客家鄉親的活動 |
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所以我就會覺得這中間就沒有它那個文化客家文化 客家鄉親的特色在裡面以後未來在落實執行的時候讓人家一看知道這是客委會的一個補助嘛不然的話我還會以為都是運動部的政績勒是不是 這執行的部分是不是可以來做一個我們可以做一個檢討的調整也沒問題 |
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好 時間暫停一下 就請那個主委請回我請一下黨場會的林主委林主委 |
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好 主委剛才張志仁委員他質詢得非常好就提到就是黨產會其實現在你們的這個任務階段性任務其實已經幾乎告一段落那剛才也講為什麼黨產會要延續呢要繼續呢是因為還有一些司法的一些訴訟還在進行可是我覺得這就不合理啊 |
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那變成黨產會的續命是靠法院入法院因為法院可能堆積如山所以我們在養一個黨產會一年大概今年已經到五千萬 |
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只是為了說你們在等待這些司法的訴訟我覺得很不合理啊而且請問一下如果按照現在你們也沒有什麼新的調查案件現在就是司法的訴訟那你們現在今年的預算還增加了這個大概將近八百萬之多主委這樣合理嗎 |
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我們先說明一下所謂訴訟問題我舉個例子一個訴訟如果一般我們在法院大概我想一年兩年頂多我們有的很多訴訟在法院拖了三四年四五年而且是大多數主委請問一下你的年薪多少我就是一般政務官的年薪就是等同部長級的對不對 |
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我看到預算262萬9千元那你會去出庭嗎 |
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我們除了出庭還要準備很多的訴訟資料所以法院的訴訟基本上現在比較屬於在法務的團隊我要講的是黨產會到現在為止它有很多的訴訟我承認有些有些你們是勝訴的有些指標性案子你們也是敗訴所以現在都是在法院如果你們今天靠法院來續命而且呢預算越編越多 |
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那這就很不合理啊我們錢都要放在刀口上嘛對不對所以我要講就是說如果按照剛才張志倫委員他所提供的資料也是過去你所講的話但是你們現在反而不但續命而且預算越編越多那就不合理啊 |
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請問你們有些什麼新的事證或新的案子在調查嗎在每一個訴訟裡面原告都會提出他的意見也會攻擊我們我們就必須要繼續提供檔案資料在法庭上做呈現這個是我為什麼說不是只有出庭因為這些都牽涉到數十年的這些資料的問題 |
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法院部的案 黨產會就一直延續下去每年花四五千萬 很不合理啦這個過程裡面我們還有許可業務老師說你們現在的業務可以併到行政院有一個什麼任務型的編組就可以啦我們還有許可業務 包括所有的負稅組織日常的用度我們都要審查 |
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你們還有多少審查嗎如果10年來講你們都還審查不完審查不夠是你們的效率太差嗎因為我們要監管這些附屬組織的財產 |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7219.837 |
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所以你現在可能因為每年都可以有部長級的待遇再加上我們很多的專任委員一堆但是我覺得納稅人的錢應該用在刀口上如果現在只靠法官續命的話就不應該在每年浪費納稅人的錢四五千萬而且年年還增加預算那我就不懂 |
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為什麼啦 好不好不是倒軌為因這是事實 你可以看你們的預算你預算今年有沒有增加嘛你告訴我你今年預算有沒有增加增加是有一些預期多出來的費用預期多出來的費用你們是業務沒有增加然後預算增加是實在是很奇怪的事情啊人家真的應該去照顧有很多的社會福利要花錢照顧的結果呢你們現在只剩下訴訟但是預算還增加就是不合理 好不好 |
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好,謝謝,我們感謝王航輝委員質詢,我們請李柏鈺召委質詢還有請林主委我們請林主委剛話還沒有講完,讓你講完 |
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所以我其實在今年三月的時候剛開始排這個會期的議程的時候其實第一個就想找你來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7310.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
那會想要找你來的原因是3月11號這個國民黨中央黨部的這個黨產的選判判決確定那這個確定呢當時我們都還沒有收到這個相關的這些判決書的內容所以沒有辦法在這邊讓你當時沒有辦法讓你說明的很清楚我想今天社會大眾也很好奇你剛剛對其他委員其實也有說明的清楚 |
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| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
判決書是因為對於這個金額還有對當初這個對象還有這個對價的內容是相關的但是當場會存在的目的以及當場條例存在的目的其實是為了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
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當時的時空背景 中國國民黨怎麼樣把台灣的當時的包含土地包含這些建物等等的變成自己的黨產 甚至轉售甚至轉給其他的這些賦水組織等等的那所以黨場會今天才有存在的必要 |
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這一些一一列館清查出來,然後有一些訴訟之後你現在能拍拍屁股走人嗎?我還是希望你忍辱負重的把這一些事情都釐清啊我支持你當初說的你希望有一天黨產會你要把它結束掉是因為會把這些國家當時被佔 |
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被侵占的這些財產一一做一個整理跟說明跟社會大眾說明清楚來主委讓你說明清楚 |
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我們當然是希望說終結黨產會的前提是所有不當取得的財產只要我們清查得到的在法治的方式之下我們能夠取回這樣給社會大眾一個好的示範未來執政的人不可以隨隨便便把國家的財物納為己有納為己用其實這是真正的目的但是法院在審理的過程裡面譬如說他審一個婦聯會是不是附屬組織他審了五年 |
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救國團是不是國民黨的覆水組織它省了四年像這樣的比比皆是而且它在剛開始的時候又想辦法去釋憲這樣又拖了兩三年所以拖延其實不是我們願意我也不希望把時間耗在這裡 |
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但是我們有這個責任把這個真相告訴大家譬如說有的案子拖了那麼多年之後還判敗訴敗訴理由是什麼我剛才在跟黃絕委員說明的過程裡面也詳細要花兩分鐘把它講清楚因為法院用了一個黨產條例的不當學財產定義理論沒有的條件 |
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來判我敗訴這個我當然非常不服氣啊但是還是法院我們要尊重但是我必須要藉這個機會也跟社會大眾報告也跟委員們報告跟國會來報告就是說我們不希望說原來不當取得財產有分兩類一種可以一種要還一種不要還 |
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請問一下這個不當學責案到底是什麼當初你告訴的對象還是中國國民黨的時候這個可能拿的回來那如果當初告訴的對象他已經轉給其他的單位或賣給其他單位的時候有可能就拿回來因為過去從事司法改革我們希望法院能夠得到社會信賴你要舉證這個現金到底價值多少錢法院對這個就沒有辦法讓你舉證沒有辦法同意所以才敗訴對不對 |
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就是說他還有很多特權的方式不是只有說沒有錢就拿走或者是說買很便宜的價錢就像黨部那個過程就是占了嘛占了然後又用借,借承諾要還又不還然後最後稀裡糊糊租然後稀裡糊糊買了買了之後蓋成新聞之後賣掉賺錢 |
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那這樣子不能要求他拿回來嗎反正就是判說到底賺了多少錢反正說當初他有買所以這個不是不當取得財產你不能把他取回這是我覺得這個是有點遺憾但是要把這些事情但是我們還是要堅持下去啊對好謝謝 謝謝主委來請谷主委請谷主委召委 |
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謝謝谷主委我很仔細聽了你今年口頭的報告裡面包含幾個預算我非常關心包含第二項裡面 |
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客庄區域發展生活環境營造計畫那客家綠色產業永創發展計畫打造永續共好地方創生計畫裡面比去年度的預算減列6億4877萬約54%的原因是什麼 |
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跟林博哥要主要那個才化法的關係才化法所以這個原本補助地方可能變成地方要自籌好那我請問主委地方會不會支持地方的客委會讓他們有提高這個他比如我舉例比如說台北市政府他突然拿多拿了400多億他第一件事情去補助營養午餐 |
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那會不會有可能是排擠掉這個可能做這些地方創新的這些預算我們簡列那麼多那地方政府的客戶會有沒有辦法依這個比例拿到地方政府的預算同招的報告就我所了解其實沒有 |
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地方的客家單位沒有增加預算對所以財源下去了我們不得不減少了財務法的關係我們不得不減少了但是地方對於推動客家這個環境再造的部分其實是沒有辦法增加的這是第一點第二個 |
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語言方面我們去年度比我們今年度變略5億1770萬比去年度減略1億7958萬減略25%一樣的道理我也請問你主委請問這是怎麼回事 |
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也是裁劃法的關係那一樣也是在補助地方政府地方政府的這個客委會有沒有辦法跟地方政府爭取到一樣比例的補助的預算土民院報告就我所知道也是沒有所以很憂心語言的附贈會少了很大的力道 |
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所以我們非常遺憾那也希望客會再跟行政院爭取這個可能接下來明年度就有110 |
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接下來明年度的116年度的預算可能再過幾個月也要進來了希望客核會這邊可以跟行政院爭取到多一點預算你今年度從去年度的40億變成35億9不到36億一共少了快4億多的預算少了5億8的預算 |
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我們知道大多數是補助地方政府的但是地方政府的客委會他並拿不到地方政府的同額的這些補助啦所以相對對客家文化客家語言還有客家鄉親等等是剝削的啦那我覺得這件事情還是要 |
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跟全國民眾來說清楚另外大家都提出的這個博工造戶站的申請條件我這邊有一個具體的建議就是市區六都很多的這個像我們都是散居的客家鄉親我的選區啊左營就非常多18%的比例他有非常非常多的但是我們沒有辦個博工造戶站我覺得博工造戶站的這個 |
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規定啦就是說你這個社區人口要百分之三十然後這個服務的長輩要有二分之一是說客語那我覺得是不是試試看能不能調降之外呢我會建議一個推動有特色的都會區的博工照護站這個是可以適行的比如說我這個照服務員他是有這個客語認證的資格的那我們是不是可以左語來 |
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加給他因為這個地方他可能就會有少數的這些客家長輩他來到這裡就覺得很親切那這是一個很有特色的這個博工造戶站那博工造戶站的預算我們等一下在省列的時候我們也會給予高度的支持之外呢那也希望諸位把接下來不能做到的事情等一下也可以因為預算減少那可能會少做的事情等一下有清楚的來表達好感謝李議員好謝謝 |
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謝謝我們感謝李博義召委質詢我們這裡邱政軍邱政軍邱政軍不在我們這裡楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝主席 楊瓊發言 邀請谷主委 |
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首先要請教在我們115年度裡頭我們編列了1億元的推動課語認證及推廣那麼也規劃了研議專業的課語能力認證制度但是我們看到你的成效從111年開始你 |
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開辦了高級認證以來到了114年去年的7月底我們全國只有17個人通過那報名的人數更從2050人大幅下降到333人 |
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同時在15歲以上的族群在基礎這個級的部分跟中高級考試通過的也沒有超過七成未達七成那顯示在整個科學能力銜接跟人才的一個培育它是有明顯的一個斷層那在這樣的一個情況之下如果說我們現在高級認證的基礎你還沒有穩定 |
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那你急著推動專業級的一個制度那會不會淪為考試越分越細真正通過的人卻越來越少呢所以主委在你推動專業認證前你是否已經提出高級的認證報名跟通過的 |
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他的通過率的一個具體策略才不會讓這個只有在認證而真正使用的人卻越來越少 請說明感謝美燕我們的認證都採標準六級的認證方式來盤理 |
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確實高級認證不容易 真的非常不容易因為他的專業度比較難達到的所以他的學習必須要更精進這是第一個 第二個有不少的受測者 所謂的參與 |
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高級認證的老師們有來反映試題偏難要不然我們會跟委員再來討論所以這個其實是兩方就試題部分還有我們那個鼓勵更專業的 |
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學習上15歲以下的那個通過率其實我們在基礎級初級分開之後有鼓勵到比較多的 |
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孩子來參與其實認證是一個方法讓孩子接觸課語的開始的方法所以我們也會針對這個通過通過綠語來研議看怎麼讓孩子比較有興趣的來學習課語這樣 |
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主委這麼說明也表示你清楚到這是有問題的因為它的結果是不盡理想的所以在怎麼樣學習精進的這個部分你必須要去檢討它的方式方法出來讓大家有興趣第二個也就是15歲以下 |
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既然認證也是一個方法但是它的數字是那麼少為什麼會那麼少因為我們的目的是希望能夠真正的有一個傳承不可以斷層要使用科語的人才能夠 |
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這個這個越來越增加所以呢你必須在這兩個方面去做調整要不然你只有編列預算你只有說他的專業是很困難的那困難我們要怎麼解決這個就是我們要跟你討論的你要把你針對這兩項的這個方式怎麼去做調整順便資料給本席 |
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那接下來我要跟您討論的是客家電視台它很重要它背負著我們客家的一個傳承跟族群的一個文化傳播它的任務很重要所以你在115年度裡頭你編列了6.3億這也是史上最高 |
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但是我們看到過去你自製的節目比例是長期的來偏低直到最近兩年才有突破五成喔也就是你持續的在加碼預算但是你的內容創新速度跟你的文化擴散力跟媒體的自主率你並沒有提升啊 |
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尤其你115年度這6.3億也是創歷史新高但是我們現在你又碰到了一個議題一個問題一個面向也就在串流平台跟短影音的競爭之下你要怎麼樣去調整你的層 |
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這個呈現的方式這個非常的重要所以在這樣的情況之下呢我要跟你討論的是說客家電視台到目前為止你的總播出時數跟比例的一個調查它達不到30%你未來你在預算增加但是你的影響力仍舊是停滯在那裡的時候你要怎麼樣去做調整 |
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首播的有越來越高啦自製率也是越來越高啦就當然我也承認過去自製首播很低但是我們逐年逐年在增加所以雖然超過五成了現在那我們會在督促客家電視台 |
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以及你現在面臨到的短影音 創文的這個問題你一定要納入你考慮調整的這個音質 好不好我們也給數位發行一次主流好 給你的發行 給本席最後一個議題我給你 客家文化發展中心是在辦理著我們的文化 這個文物的典藏保存跟數位作業化 |
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你在110年開始的推動升級那你在115年博物館的升級計畫你編了將近4800萬那可是我們看到你從到去年114年的9月份裡頭16000多16822間的館廠初級完成建檔但是你的高級高階的部分只有2867間 |
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所以換句話說你還有89.25%你並沒有完成所以在這樣子數位化嚴重的落後的情況之下要請問會不會影響到我們文物的保存品質跟文化資產的一個長期保存的一個效益所以 |
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所以這個主委你是不是有方法可以怎麼樣將這個百分之八十幾%還沒有完成高階的怎麼樣有KPI的一個目標分年分期要去把它完成請說明感謝委員其實也要分兩類一類不需要 |
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高階不需要那麼高階的典藏他基礎的典藏就可以了所以都做基礎典藏那比較特殊的才做典藏全部都做了 |
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就是只有這個2867件再去盤整好不好因為這一些的資產不見得是很嚴重的議題好好去盤點因為這一些的資產一定要好好的來保存住是 謝謝好感謝謝謝楊瓊英委員 |
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接下來我們請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在林倩琦委員林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在我們請徐欣穎委員謝謝主席 本席有請谷主委 |
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今天我們要來審預算所以本席首先大概兩大方向首先第一個就是我們台灣客流文化造浪計畫我們不能夠只花預算我們一定要做出文化影響力 |
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這個主委應該認同嘛 對那我們看到這個115年度中規模非常大的我們客家文化造浪計畫編列了16億2942萬9千元比去年也增加了7.1%那這個內容包括客家藝文 影視 音樂 傳播還有出版客家電視 |
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8391.855 |
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8411.11 |
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講課廣播跨媒體製作獎勵以及國際頻道節目和客家文化行銷那這個是你們在今天的報告內容好所以我們看到另外細部預算還有客家公共傳播基金會的維運費用2億3350萬元 |
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8443.999 |
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捐贈公共電視文化基金事業也有6億多以及國際客流文化多元內容產業合作推廣1億2千萬所以這些都不是小計畫這經費都非常多那這個是客委會文化傳播政策的重點預算嗎是不是算不算確實確實是好那所以本席要來首先請教主委的就是說我們客家傳播啊 |
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8445.097 |
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8464.699 |
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不能看是不是有節目因為你客家傳播你一定有節目我們要看的是有沒有影響力所以我們看到我們一定支持本席在這邊先表達我支持客家的影視還有音樂廣播出版國際傳播 |
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8466.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
8493.884 |
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但是我要問的是這麼大的預算那客委會到底用什麼樣的標準來判斷我們這些錢花下去你有沒有成效外界要看的是有沒有成功所以不是有頻道就有成效有節目就有成效我們要看到的是提升我們客語的能見度而且我們是不是能夠吸引到年輕的 |
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8495.525 |
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8510.579 |
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樂天眾還有我們有沒有培育更多的我們創作者以及能不能把我們客家文化走向國際市場所以這一個部分主委我們有沒有什麼標準來判定 |
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因為我們的計劃其實是方方便便方方便便是我的主意,但是方方便便太隆重因為針對米香,我們沒有用米香的方法我再問,又忙又困 |
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也讓他們睡覺的時候在流汗,又更加帶給他們接觸他們的學校文化,他們的行義還有又帶給他們有這個意願再投入我們的客家創作 |
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8551.633 |
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8559.122 |
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妳回答我這幾個問題我舉音樂的例子在這個計畫裡頭我們會支持補助音樂人的創作音樂的創作以外它要怎麼樣?它要有舞台要發表的舞台要有作 |
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8572.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
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那我們有一個KPI我們他做了我們支持他也做了有沒有這個成效有沒有一個標準那個成效成效一年可能看不出來可能是好幾年的所以這個都是累積要持續做要持續做要持續做然後支持新人我們認同他對 以周初的創作我們鼓勵去 |
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8599.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
8621.985 |
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競賽那個金曲獎金鷹獎等等那以及我們給他舞台那個舞台是什麼呢我們跟各大台灣各大的音樂節合作讓他們進去音樂節裡頭表演音樂節裡頭表演空投的就不用人演而且他那個人次都是幾十幾百萬人次起跳所以不同的族群就可以看到可以聽到 |
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8622.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
8648.109 |
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我們希望不同族群他來欣賞我們客語不管是傳統的還是我們客家不管是山歌還是我們客家流行音樂讓他們喜歡上這種客家的相關的音樂創作甚至客家文化所以是不是可以請客委會在三個月內提出完整的KPI因為你們要訂一些KPI這樣子你 |
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8671.901 |
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也帶領這些我們的課委會的團隊來做那我們有KPI是不是可以更好所以本席在這裡希望是有績效指標所以我建議譬如說第一個收視率收聽率串流的觀看數玩播率這第一個第二個年輕族群的觸及率因為 |
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8672.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
8686.498 |
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畢竟我們一定要多接觸年輕族群一代一代這樣上來嘛好不好 這第二個第三個是客語節目比例和客語實際使用的比例我們推廣客語我們總是希望更多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
8687.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
8712.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
可以說上幾句話我們這課語大家朗朗上口幾句話這樣我們就成功了再來我們原創的劇本原創的節目原創的音樂原創的IP數還有國際授權海外上架影展入選等等內容授權收入我們人才培育成果對課語學習以及使用的影響所以本席建議了 |
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8713.241 |
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8739.775 |
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這些但是我們還是尊重客委會是不是可以三個月內來提出一個你們的一些KPI讓我們未來大家都可以一起有所依循還有時間再來再來就是我們要跟主委來談我們客委會的補助捐助還有委辦經費 |
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8741.243 |
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8766.243 |
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它整個的這個治理的情況那課委會我們在115年度補助捐助還有一般性補助的範圍非常的廣那包含了學術研究國際交流課語師資還有幼幼課語這些都非常好學校課語課莊產業青年創生藝文傳播公共媒體以及地方政府補助 |
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8766.903 |
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8779.635 |
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那我看了预算资料我们发现补助这个费用呢这补助的这些费用大概有5931万6000元那捐助费用也有12亿6580万3000元 |
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8783.419 |
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8807.177 |
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一般性的文化補助也有四億六千六百八十萬五千元這都是相當大相當可觀的公共資源所以我們也肯定我們肯定客委會那因為政策需要結合了地方政府學校民間團體文化工作者以及社區組織一起推動那我們大家關心立委 |
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8808.118 |
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8822.006 |
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在審查運算的時候我們關心的是這些補助到底帶來了什麼樣的改變我們更希望這些績效不是只是執行補助了幾個案幾場我們要看到長期的改變所以主委針對這個部分我們有沒有盤點 |
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8837.658 |
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當然有啦 我就比方說明年會鼓勵青年到國外做交流 海外交流 |
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這些青年他們是怎麼來 大部分 大概八成 七八成我說的 因為時間關係 我說的是說譬如說你每年度的補助 捐助 委辦還有一般性補助 你可以稍微有一些盤點表讓我們知道說它分散在語言 學術 產業 青年 藝文 傳播甚至國際交流 還是在地方政府 |
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你有不同的計劃所以我們是不是也可以提供一個完整的總表讓我們看到115年所有的補助或是我們去年看大家我們也可以看一下去年的每年我們看到所有的補助捐助委辦以及一般性補助的總件數跟總金額這第一個第二個各政策的領域你分配是多少 |
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8905.117 |
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第三個哪些你是用在我們客家語言的振興哪些是在我們青年的創生哪些是客庄產業哪些是公共媒體 |
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然後再來就是說我們同樣一個團體是不是跨年度跨計劃重複的補助這四點我們希望課會也能夠盤點看多久可以提供給我們好 請問在30年內提供本VN做參考 |
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8940.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
8961.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
最後就是我們課委會我們希望能夠建立有這種成果導向的KPI所以我們課語附贈就是振興我們課語我們家庭的講課語的比率學生課後使用課語的比率以及公共服務課語的使用率 |
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這些我們都希望我們課委會可以著手我們今天在這邊質詢也很多的官員在課委會相關的團隊在我們也希望大家能夠朝這個方向來青年創生我們看刊留 |
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8979.82 |
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9003.037 |
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這個在自己的家鄉的年限還有我們創業的存活率我們就業的品質等等那當然我們也希望產業發展我們看看它的營收成長通路效益以及品牌擴散這些我們都希望我們這個這麼大的經費用下去我們希望能夠看到成果所以是不是 |
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9004.238 |
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我們三個月後今天的質詢的內容我們都可以來看所以最後我想核銷不是成效我們看到改變才是成效 |
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9024.679 |
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9043.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
接下來我們請葉元芝委員、葉元芝委員、葉元芝委員不在登記諮詢委員除不在場者外均與諮詢完畢委員丁學忠、高金素梅、吳祺銘所提書面諮詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員徐欣盈 |
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9044.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9052.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
提書面職群列入紀錄刊登公報書面職群和未答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
9059.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9080.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
現在開始審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分115年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及其所屬部分115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款客家委員會及其 |
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9081.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9095.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
所屬部分審查客家委員會含送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會115年度預算書案請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後再進行協商 |
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9098.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9121.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
一百一十五年度不當黨產處理委員會稅入預算第三款規備收入第十二項不當黨產處理委員會一萬元稅出部分第二款行政院主管第十七項不當黨產處理委員會五千三百一十二萬六千元第一幕一般行政四千零九十四元第二幕黨產處理業務一千一百七十八萬六千元第三幕地域預備金四十萬元 |
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9122.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9147.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
一百一十五年度客家委員會及所屬稅入預算第二款罰款及平常收入第十四項客家委員會及所屬五十萬元第三款歸備收入第九項客家委員會及所屬五百八十五萬元第四款財產收入第十五項客家委員會及所屬一千三百萬元第七款其他收入第十五項客家委員會及所屬一千零四十四萬元稅出部分 |
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9148.905 |
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9162.17 |
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第二款行政院主管第十項客家文化會計所屬31億3,268萬1千元第一幕一般行政2億5,036萬4千元第二幕綜合規劃發展1億6,597萬5千元第三幕客家文化產業發展2億3,115萬2千元第四幕客家語言發展4億1,628萬5千元 |
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9171.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9197.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
第五目 藝文傳播推展15億7千4百41萬8千元第六目 客家文化發展中心規劃與營運4億9千2百48萬7千元第七目 一般建築及設備無劣數第八目 第一預備兼200萬元第27款 直轄市及縣市政府第一項 一般性補助款行政院主管第四目 一般性文化補助客家委員會及所屬4億6千6百80萬5千元 |
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9200.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9223.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
客家委員會主管財團法人客家公共傳播基金會一百一十五年度預算依依工作計劃部分依依據收入與支出審查結果隨同調整第二收入部分一億五千七百三十萬元支出部分一億六千八百五十九萬元本期短促一千一百二十九萬元接續宣讀提案不當黨產處理委員會部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
9227.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9236.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
共計兩案 第一幕一般行政計兩案 第二幕黨產處理業務計五案 主決議計兩案客家委員會及所屬部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9239.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9267.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
第十項 客家委員會暨所屬暨四案 第一目 一般行政暨四案第二目 綜合規劃發展暨十三案 第三目 客家文化產業發展暨十六案 第四目 客家語言發展暨十案第五目 譯文傳播推展暨八案 第六目 客家文化發展中心規劃與營運暨四案主決議暨三十五案客家委員會主管財團法人客家公共傳播基金會部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
9268.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9297.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
提案四案宣讀完畢本日會議議程所列有關115年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分關於客家委員會及所屬部分等四個討論事項依昨日處理中選會預算的三點宣告做處理請問在場委員有沒有異議 |
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9299.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
9306.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
好那我們就通過跟委員會報告在進行協商前我們先休息三分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
9335.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9345.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
9392.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9393.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
全部都舀 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
9396.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9398.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
他那一份是我昨天那這一份先給誰呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
9424.718 |
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9442.259 |
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你要複印嗎?對啊,所以我說來得及複印嗎?現在要不然...那個...整份整份的對,對,對,擦了那個... |
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然後記得用刷筆刷整份然後刷六份其實我是要刷紫芋泥 |
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但是我覺得你們應該不要開玩笑 |
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好 |
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謝謝大家 |
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對,它不斷擋起來 |
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新收的一樣,主決議第95案,但這些溝通的都有那要怎樣?那要怎樣? |
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現場才來,那我要現在發嗎?趕快給你們,誰需要就趕快發給你們好,了解 |
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你按一下好現在以本日議程進行討論事項順序我們先進行協商等一下從不當黨產處理委員會部分開始進行先協商 |
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響鐘 |
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9661.34 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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我今天想說 |
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有有有成功一半 |
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好115年度中央政府總預算案不當黨產處理委員會提案在第一案稅出部分第17項不當黨產處理委員會原列5,312萬6千元那經過我們協商第一案跟第二案我們併案減列50% |
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那我們接下來進行第一幕 一般行政 原列四千零九十四萬有兩岸 張宏祿委員跟張志文委員張志文委員有做文字修正 凍結三十萬元 |
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那這樣好了啦 兩岸就合併處理啦 啊 凍三十啦 這樣就好了啦好 那第一幕一般行政 原列四千零九十四萬元一般行政的部分就兩岸併案凍結三十萬好 進行其他預算再列 |
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第二幕 黨產處理業務 原列1178萬6千元有張志倫委員第一案做文字修正凍結30萬張宏祿委員凍結50萬第七案黃捷委員改組決議 |
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那第九案,甘煌黃威委員說撤案,謝謝那張宏祿委員跟張志文委員要不要講一下 |
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好最後一幕謝謝主席就針對不動黨產委員會的黨產處理業務那剛剛當然在質詢的過程中有請教主委就是說主委認為是這個訴訟結束後黨產會才會結束這點本席剛剛在質詢的時候已經表達不能接受因為還是要跟主委報告就是說針對如果業務都已經執行完畢只剩下 |
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這個訴訟的問題其實就過去的經驗來講其實行政院一個辦公室也是可以處理相關性的業務所以這邊請主委還是可以參考我們的意見那我們為什麼會這個凍結30萬的原因就是也是因為當參委員會他們其實裡面有編列的有獎補助費等等的就是說希望說如果有人來檢舉可是過去檢舉的 |
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金額跟數量基本上都非常的少那發的獎金也是都沒有發放所以我們覺得就是因為業務量這麼少還有編列獎補助費等等相關的性質的費用所以我們才會考慮就是要來凍結30萬元以上 |
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張國柏沒有意見,那我們來吧我覺得啦,這樣就是併案處理,動30萬就好了好,那我們第一頁目黨產處理業務,我們就併案第五案、第六案併案,動30萬元第七案改組決議第八案,對不起,第五案、第六案跟黃捷委員,第八案我們就併案處理,動捷30萬元第七案改組決議,第九案撤案,其餘預算照列 |
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好不好好謝謝另外第10案第11案主決議照案通過當場處理完畢那請你們先離開 |
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我們先處理比較薄的這一本三張而已公共傳播基金會一共四案第一案王洪威委員撤案第二案張志倫委員改組決議第三案 |
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第四案都測案那有沒有相關意見如果沒有的話我們是不是就照我們收到的這一份三個測案一個改組決議通過好不好好謝謝公共傳播基金會謝謝 |
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好接下來我們就來進行115年度中央政府總預算案客家委員會及所屬的預算稅出部分第十項客家委員會及所屬原列31億3268萬1千元 |
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一共有四案其中第一案、第三案、第四案有進行文字修正那我們先請王紅衛委員、廖先祥委員 |
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還有張志榮委員謝謝好跟主席和各位委員報告就是沒宣費的部分我把原來就是今年它增列的部分原來是6227萬那我把它恢復到去年的這個預算數那但是呢我也有跟主委也有來跟我溝通因為我們現在這個有關於客家幣現在 |
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2.0的計畫從今年下半年到明年開始實施所以呢他這部分他原定計畫就是宣傳費是2000萬所以呢我就同意把這個簡略的金額再減少2000萬讓客委會可以去執行可以執行客家幣的這個宣傳 |
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那至於第三案的部分那最後是這個文字修正嘛那到時候這兩個案子可以做一個合併啦我這邊是可以做一個合併這樣子以上就是因為也有跟客委會有溝通過所以我這邊是最後檢列4227萬以上謝謝 |
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好謝謝,那廖先祥,召委主委要不要說明一下 |
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謝謝委員支持那其實因為客家的預算這個科目在去年也是編列一億那減列六成剩四千萬比過去的宣傳費都少那為什麼我們會編回來一億就是希望在除了業務上的宣傳以外 |
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有很大的一個目的就是那個提升意識語言文化的意識跟這個文化的主流化的問題所以才會透過這個宣傳來達到這樣的目的那所以如果可以當然委員已經釋出非常大的善意減六四千 |
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多四千兩百 簡列為四千兩百二十七萬那是不是可以再協助啦以上 |
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我現在檢列4227嘛把4去掉檢列4千萬啦不是啦,檢列227啦王美惠委員剛剛要講 |
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就是因為我認為甚至於醫生大家都看得很熟悉但是在這個過程當中我是怎麼沒有提出說眷戀的問題因為我認為他們愛做愛選團不可以說叫你們做 叫他們沒有錢讓大家也知道說包括你說選團的費用 |
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也多多指教說拜託一點,讓他們加強,做得更好不然我覺得,各位對我來說,我覺得這個集群絕對不能沒有,我們要來支持因為中華民國的台灣,各位,真的非常重要,以上 |
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我們溝通看看能不能再少簡略一點 |
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好,那我們拜託一下我們站起來啦因為柯委真的... |
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兩天都沒見過兩天過的時候在這邊兩天後沒有 我跟你講他就已經被送去跟確診處的人他有發現就根本因為我已經被送我現在都出了案了我就不去你沒關係啊再溝通 再溝通就剛好我就發現他都出了案了完蛋了 |
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他不在也反正不討論沒關係沒關係喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔 |
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好,張國柱委員,剛剛協商的結果,來啦齁這個啦齁,感謝各位委員給我們客家鄉親多一點這個可以做事的機會啦齁所以我們是不是啦,減劣兩千啦齁,然後凍結一千啦,好不好?好 |
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好 張志文委員你說一下好 謝謝我相信每位委員不分黨派大家都支持我們客家委員會的預算那我這邊還是要跟主委報告就是說你們今年編的預算115年是編1億3千59萬元 |
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那是比過去來講 比這個114年來講 你剛剛講是4千多萬嘛 是三倍的金額那就算以113年來講 是大概將近7千9百萬也是將近兩倍的金額 所以我們現在簡略剛剛大家討論 剛剛洪路委員也來協調 我相信大家都很支持 減2千萬我必須還是要說明 減2千萬以後是8千 |
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多萬元的沒宣費是史上最高還是史上最高所以我希望說客人會好好運用這筆的經費我相信我們不分黨派都支持你們好好使用這筆經費以上謝謝謝謝委員我這邊也補充一下就是就是我們其實後來檢列的金額變得把它壓低事實上就是因為我們有客家幣那 |
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主要就是因為主委也釋出善意嘛因為我們那時候我們幾位委員都在爭取客家幣在我們雙北市因為之前是零那我知道你們現在開始你們開始客家幣有增加那另外我們就是供照護站那也拜託好不好在我們的雙北雙北新北市跟那個台北市那個也能夠增加這個據點好不好好謝謝委員 |
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10519.316 |
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好來就這樣我們這個雙北的據點是真的要增加就是好的政策包含客家幣跟博工造物站是所有委員一致的共識那希望客委會珍惜這個簡列這個結果協商的結果我們針對第十項客委會及其所屬媒體政策及業務宣導費用我們四個案都併案來我們簡列兩千萬凍結一千萬 |
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書面報告後使得動之其餘預算照列我們接下來進行第一幕一般行政原列兩億五千零三十六萬四千元裡面包含第六案張志文委員改組決議第七案測案那有廖先祥、趙偉跟張宏祿委員來欸 趙偉你要不要先說明一下你跟張宏祿 |
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10564.398 |
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剛剛在詢問的時候也有提到,就是我們的退月費我們希望我們的主管能夠多多用在自己照顧單位同仁提升士氣的上面 |
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朝這方面調整的話我當然是意見就不會太多啦那看是不是請主委說明一下請國主委說明謝謝委員那委員的建議我們會來辦理那以及相關的我們也會那個來協助這個沒有問題是 |
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好第八案廖千祥召委改組決議那張宏祿委員我的也改組決議好謝謝那第一幕齁除了第七案撤案之外都改組決議其餘預算照列好接下來進行第二幕綜合規劃發展原列1億6597萬5千元有 |
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不在的委員我們就不處理有張志倫委員第九案有做文字修正王美惠委員第十一案有做文字修正張煌祿委員第十三案王美惠委員有做文字修正第十四案十五案改組決議十六案撤案 |
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18案改組決議19案撤案20案改組決議21案撤案那所以剩下的案子有廖先祥委員跟張宏祿委員、王美惠委員來張志榮委員 |
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10694.162 |
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好 這個有關於客委會有關於綜合規劃發展其實就是剛剛很多委員講到有關於這個博工造戶站等等的這個客委會的資源分配那我想各位委員剛剛都已經講了很多了就是希望說針對我們都會區的發展雖然說這個可能沒有到達不管是博工造戶站的標準所以我相信是不是有一個其他的方式來讓這個 |
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非就是現在政府認為的非文化重點發展區可是又是人很多的都會區有很多的客家人的都會區的資源配置跟民系是不是可以由一個月內向內政委員會提出專案報告並同意厚實的動作有沒有辦法做得到以上謝謝 |
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就是在這裡我跟主委說 因為知道我們有這項講就是不公的問題跟大家討論 大家都希望說在自己的故鄉有這個族群的時候可以使用這個資源 但是怎麼看像現在 |
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就沒辦法達到那個標準,但是家裡吃,事實上他們的人都自己在,我知道我這時候會說在下料理,可以下料理在家,包括他們都說我們靠的藝人,所以他們都在那裡的時候,都沒辦法得到我們中央的政策要幫助, |
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會是大人的課位所以說我拜託我們的主委心思願意一下看要怎麼樣可以說最沒力氣罵罵說不好全台灣全嘉義市有一個讓他申請不要說完全他要申請他就沒辦法申請就沒辦法達到那個標準以上 |
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好 那補助會你是不是回應一下好 那個謝謝委員 委員非常的關心非重點發展區 客家重點發展區都會區人口 客家人口的博工照護站的補助方法 辦法 |
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那我想我承諾就是回頭會跟我們同仁一起來研議實施的辦法在都會區裡頭那但是讓我們有時間討論因為 |
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這麼善的客家人他怎麼聚集在一起而且像我們原先是架設在西集照護站上面西集照護站他有1到2天的聚集有3到4有5到6天不等那怎麼讓社團可以他如同西集照護站這樣的高比例的聚會這是我們要想的細節 |
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那這個預算下去那結合客家的語言客家的生活習慣等等他才會有意義對長者才會有意義所以這個容我們要一點時間來討論他怎麼聚集那這個辦法那是不是可以讓我們在三個月內提出這個實施辦法的書面報告書面報告那讓到委員會來這樣 |
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其實諸位有的時候光看數據是不準的我們有很多客家的長輩因為小孩子在北部他其實他的戶籍什麼的可能還在南部但他很多的時間其實是來到比如像我們新北很多他就是住在他兒子女兒那裡 |
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啊你說這個有沒有這個可能你們也統計不出來所以我覺得像雙北這個確實有這個需要那你們可以去找個點或什麼可以先試辦一下啊也花不了你們多少錢啊佔預算比例不高啊對不對我覺得是不是應該可以這樣啦齁那大家都一樣啦啊大家也都是希望你們做好啦齁所以我是不是這樣啦齁我們就所有人的提案齁併案處理啦啊凍結50萬啦 |
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好 看大家的意見我們針對第二幕我們都併案處理 凍結五十萬書面報告時的動之好不好 |
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是三個月送實施辦法就是修正過的實施辦法還是書面報告而已書面報告就是書面報告裡頭也有實施辦法我們會附實施辦法就可以看得出來我們如何去辦理所以我們等於說三個月我們就會看到新的實施辦法是這個意思嗎是那應該可以嘛三個月看實施辦法那我都等了十年啦 |
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所以這三個月是OK的,因為我知道你們要跟地方政府去可能做一個協商但是三個月就是有新的實施辦法好不好好,可以嗎?好,謝謝所有...不好意思,我在這裡要補充一下因為我覺得也要對香港疫情簽署不然他們這麼認真 |
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還有一定辦法出來,有的地方不來申請,對他們說是可求的,也覺得難過大家互相,他們地方不來申請,又沒辦法 |
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盡量去鼓勵地方,你們百萬有改變,再合作主計跟地方說一下,讓他們請主委大家共同受用,以上好,謝謝在場委員,那我們第二幕綜合規劃發展 |
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我們就在場委員併案那凍結50萬元三個月後書面報告使得凍資我先宣告完第二幕那第二幕的包含 |
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補充回來剛剛第十項,客家委員會及其所屬的簡列兩千萬、凍結一千萬科目請自行調整 |
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好我們進行第三幕客家文化產業發展原列兩億三千一百一十五萬兩千元第一案張志倫委員改組決議二十二案張志倫委員改組決議完美會委員二十四案文字修正二十五案王洪威委員改組決議 |
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二十七案李柏毅改組決議二十八案王煌威委員改組決議二十九案王美惠委員改組決議三十案王煌威委員改組決議三十二案三十三案三十四案王煌威委員改組決議三十六案吳啟明委員改組決議其餘委員不在 |
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31案、37案提案委員不在,好剩張宏睦委員剩你,其他委員不在就不處理我們是不是就照列了?那我就改組決議啊好改組決議剩下24案王美惠委員 |
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是不是改組決議 這是是不是跟張宏祿委員併案改組決議二十四案加油加油啦謝謝委員感謝 |
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好委員不在不處理第24案王美惠委員改組決議第26案張煌祿委員改組決議第3目客家文化產業發展原列2億3千1百1十5萬2千元照列我們進行第4目客家語言發展原列4億1千6百28萬5千元 |
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第38案,張志文委員改組決議,對不起,文字修正39案,40案,環美會委員文字修正 |
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42案王紅衛委員改組決議44案吳啟明委員改組決議45案王紅衛委員改組決議46案王紅衛委員改組決議好那就是王美惠委員跟張黃祿委員張志倫委員跟黃婕委員我們要不要一起來討論謝謝好黃婕委員 |
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那這個我是要講我這個提案裡面是在講課宇的新傳室這個其實我之前有跟主委提過就是說這個新傳室的開課率都一直很低就是去年全年才20%那我知道說其實你們有發文給各縣市政府 |
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然後說要適度放寬開班的限制還有簡化核銷的流程但是因為現在還是說要求是每班要15人然後未滿19歲以上必須要佔半數這個其實還是對很多地方來說很難達成所以我是希望說這兩個門檻是不是還可以再調整 |
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然後另外就是說新船師對於他們說年收入上限不足12萬而且沒有勞健保的保障那這個對他們來說就是沒有任何的誘因所以這次你們對他們的這個福利的保障這部分好像都沒有處理到那是不是也是請你們要進行規劃那這個要拜託你們先做出承諾才有辦法談這個凍結的數字可不可以下修謝謝 |
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張志榮委員我覺得客家語言發展在客偶會是一個非常重要的工作當然就是有一個今年度115年客偶會有啟動一個客語活力提升計畫我們認為它的KPI它是把過去通過的人次把它改成它的KPI把過去通過的人次改成報名的人次 |
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那我覺得這個KPI的改變喔會不會造成未來就是報名的人變多那我後來也看到其他委員的提案現在報名人數是越來越少啦那我的意思說是不是還是把KPI的指標設的不管是報名人數通過率或者是通過人數這些都是KPI的指標這樣整體來看然後才會來瞭解說到底我們現在課宇的發展的未來的成效為如何 |
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就給各位主委做參考以上 |
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請主委說明一下好 謝謝針對黃委員所提的那個兩個標準下修這個我們可以來研議啦因為我們知道現況那個孩子真的是越來越少這個我們那另外關於那個新船師的那個薪資的部分對那個確實是有一點困難那沒關係我再跟我們同仁再研議看看 |
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看怎麼提高啦那這個那不過就是有跟我們報告就是其實因為我們在當然在這個科目上我們目前是所有的辦法裡頭還沒有辦法提高的情況下我們有一個方法就課加幣我們有給新傳師就是他開課我們就會給而且呢他比如說他開了五班我們其實就給五次 |
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他不是只有一次不是針對一個人給他五次一次有五百那他等於是另外一個鼓勵所以我們其實是用其他的方法來鼓勵新傳室在沒有辦法提高他的前提下這樣另外張志榮委員張委員所提的那個KPI的部分我們確實是可以把這些指標都給納進來沒有問題謝謝 |
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兩位委員可以接受嗎?張宏夫委員要不要一起併案來處理?我們就整目阿蘇委員的提案併案處理,我們凍結50萬 |
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好謝謝第四幕客家語言發展併案凍結50萬其餘議案委員不在的我們就不處理其餘就併案凍結50萬其餘預算照列 |
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接下來進行第五幕議員傳播推展原列十五億七千四百四十一萬八千元第四十八案張志文委員改組決議第四十九案王美惠委員文字修正第五十二案李柏毅改組決議第五十三案王紅薇委員改組決議好就這樣好謝謝王美惠委員 |
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主席,在這裡我要跟我們主委說,在這個中國百貨公司,我們本內15億7,441萬百千塊,新增了辦理台灣客流文化界的來賓 |
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我認為,這兩個是不是有高度的授權?是不是了解具體的遭難措施和目標?另外,我們客徵對應民眾對客家台的認同度,我認為越來越低了全台灣民眾 |
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我覺得你要怎麼去最少你也要保證自己的人有在看還要運用外面的人來看這才有辦法你們的客家台還可以越多人去看 |
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因為我知道我的質詢能夠說,你說的那個醫生在裡面就是要經營客家電台在客家電台的時候,我們要鼓勵自己客家委員會,盡量在裡面也可以去看因為我覺得越來越少人看醫生 |
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這個我也講一下52案我改組決議其實我是要提醒主委有一件事情做得很好可不可以繼續做就是我們的客家棒球日其實很受歡迎藉由這些球迷看到客家文化其實我們也有好多球員都是從客庄的球隊裡面出來的包含 |
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包含在從美河出來他從六堆那邊出來 |
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六堆那邊出來的那還有很多包含這個美濃國小國中等等的那我們希望來推廣這個棒球日之外呢客家棒球日之外呢你是不是也可以研議讓客家幣在客家棒球日的時候也可以使用那會讓球迷跟這個客家文化一起融合在一起這是我做這一個主決議的原意那請主委是不是也做一個回應謝謝 |
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好 謝謝委員針對王委員剛剛所提的確實現在收看電視的比例是越來越降那往其他的數位的平台去看的越來越多所以我們會鼓勵督促我們的客家電視台 |
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他的播出其實要往數位的媒體上去播出啦所以他不只是電視台而已他的節目應該要多多輸出多個管道謝謝委員提醒這個我們不只是客家電視台我們各種的那個管道都是YT啦等等的這樣 |
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那剛剛昭緯所提的我們可以來研議跟其他的球隊來合作去年是第一次那今年來試試看其他的球隊好謝謝最後是張宏祿委員這邊要不要一起併案來討論一下我說一下像我的提案50案 |
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其實我也質詢我也說過啦大家都說電視電視我比較在乎的是我們客家長輩我們如果真的有在客家村生活的人就是要長輩他現在每天在那邊 |
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11800.284 |
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山上他是沒有辦法他在白天在工作的時候他種果樹他在務農的時候是沒有辦法看電視的他唯一的只有收音機對不對所以我也質詢過了有一些比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
11802.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
11823.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
也不一定講偏遠,有一些還有收視的視角我也諮詢過了,我也希望我們客戶會可以跟我們這個基金會這邊,要去解決這個問題不然他們確實到現在根本沒辦法收,收得很不清楚這點你們要去解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
11826.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
11833.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
我覺得啦 大家都是為你們好啦我覺得啦 是不是大家齁我們所有委員的提案並案處理我們凍結50萬啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
11838.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
11858.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
好第五幕議員傳播推展原列15億7441萬8千元整目凍結50萬那除了改組決議之外第51案54案55案委員不在我們就不處理進行第六幕客家文化發展中心規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
11859.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
11864.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
第50案改組決議第56案改組決議第57案文字修正第58案第59案改組決議好剩下黃美惠委員張宏祿委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
11888.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
11907.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
其實大家都是希望他能夠蓋得快又好但我也在這邊提醒一下我們不管蓋什麼人是活的觀念要改變如果是你家自己去經營你一定要想辦法讓所有人進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
11909.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
11929.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
而不是把他蓋在那邊我就這樣只有硬體沒有軟體這個我覺得觀念角度要改變如果是你自己拿你家的錢來做你一定半夜要想說能不能讓更多人進來對不對你才能維持我覺得這個觀念你們要去改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
11932.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
11948.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
我覺得啦,大家都這樣,我是建議王美惠委員跟我一樣啦反正就跟你們講了啦,我們改組決議啦那未來你們的營運如果沒有朝我們的方向去做的話我跟你講,到時候我們再來刪你的預算王美惠委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
11949.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
11972.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
我也是跟主席,跟他剛才所說的,用心去做去改善好,謝謝,那第六目客家文化發展中心規劃與營運,原列四億九千兩百四十八萬預算照列第六案、五十七案、五十八案、五十九案均改組決議謝謝好,接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
11979.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
11984.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
主決議的部分第60案、62案、68案、69案、71案、88案、89案、90案、91案、92案、93案、94案改組決議文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
12007.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
12016.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
61案測案其他均在列通過另外新增95萬在列通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
12031.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
12039.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
好請問各位委員討論事項有委員提案部分照剛才協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列請問有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
12042.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
12064.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
本次通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員處理115年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分115年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
12066.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
12079.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
款客家委員會及所屬部分擬據審查報告並同本委員會審查之其他部會審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
12082.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
12104.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
客家委員會涵送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會115年度預算書案審查完略拟據審查報告提報院會公決不需交黨團協商並推請本席與院會討論時補充說明本日議程處理完畢現在散會謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
12112.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
12112.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
拍響聲啊 |