| IVOD_ID |
17471 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17471 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-27T08:36:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-27T11:56:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:19:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ead0d05b47c73760f482c5cdbe149175fa601341028818003d3dd4cf5e04380ac85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:16 - 11:56:00 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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請主任秘書報告初期人數報告委員會初期委員9人與足法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議議事錄時間115年5月21日星期四上午9時至10時27分地點紅樓202會議室初期委員許忠信委員等12人列席委員鍾嘉斌委員等6人 |
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請教委員吳吉明委員一人列席官員行政院秘書長張敦涵暨相關人員主席廖昭吉委員先降報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分 |
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行政院秘書長張端涵報告委員許忠慶等事務人質詢由行政院秘書長張端涵及相關人員答覆說明登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束委員丁學忠 高金素梅 吳祁銘 |
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許新穎等四人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會決議本日議程所列預算案相關提案請於115年5月29日星期五中午12時前送至內政委員會預時不後宣讀完畢請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有錯誤沒有謝謝如果沒有錯誤議事錄確定 |
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繼續進行報告事項及討論事項請宣讀報告事項二邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況並被質詢討論事項審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分宣讀完畢 |
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本日議程所列報告事項和討論事項合併詢答現在先介紹在場委員跟列席官員先介紹許中興委員黃美惠委員張志倫委員然後中選會主任委員游英龍主委主任秘書謝美玲主秘 |
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其他就不一一介紹現在進行報告,先請中選會主委、游盈隆主委做業務報告跟115年度總預算案一併作檢要報告謝謝 |
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主席 各位委員 女士 先生 大家早貴委員會今天舉行全體委員會議本人應邀列席報告業務概況以及預算籌編情形深感榮幸以下準就本會近期辦理各項工作分別報告以後 |
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一 籌劃115年地方公職人員選舉各項選務工作主要有五大項第一 原定115年地方公職人員選舉投票日期及選舉工作進行程序115年地方公職人員選舉投票日期及重要選務工作日程經本會委員會議審議通過 |
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定於115年11月28日星期六舉行投票本會月一鎖定選舉工作進行程序表依序籌辦各項選舉事務第二 訂定選舉預算項目及編列標準本會訂定115年地方公職人員選舉各項選舉經費項目及編列標準表 |
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於一一四年二月十九日函請各直轄市縣市選舉委員會具以估算一一五年地方公職人員選舉經費概算並協調地方政府籌編各地方政府均以具以籌編完整第三辦理選務宣導本會規劃加強宣導 |
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115年地方公職人員選舉相關選務資訊包括投票日期、時間、國民年滿20歲有選舉權及投票應注意事項避免民眾觸法、受罰將透過多元及數位媒體結合地方媒體及社攤宣導落實在地宣導另外加強對新住民、原住民及身心障礙者宣導 |
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第四 督導辦理公辦政見發表會115年地方公職人員選舉公辦政見發表會議定於115年11月13日至11月27日期間由各直轄市縣市選委會舉辦製播完成後其影音檔案將設置於本會網站供民眾隨時收看第五 籌辦 |
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電腦計票作業電腦計票是由鄉鎮市區選務作業中心人員將投開票報告表資料輸入計票系統完成彙整各項網路安全及系統備援措施均以最高規格防護 |
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一定於115年10月舉辦55場次教育訓練115年11月辦理三次電腦計票作業全國模擬演練並模擬異常狀況進行演練以利及時應變 |
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除此之外 我們還有其他多項重要的事務在這裡跟委員會做報告一 辦理地方民意代表選舉區檢討變更作業第二 辦理全國不分區及僑居國外國民立法委員遞補作業辦理直轄市縣市議員遞補作業 |
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受理全國性公民投票案辦理情形全國性公民投票電子聯署系統使用以及公職人員罷免案電子聯署系統整備那就 |
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1886.274 |
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公民投票電子連署系統已經在去年已經上線電子連署系統也蓄勢待發這個只要委員會認為時機成熟就可隨時上線服務全國民眾此外原議公職人員選舉罷免法第57條第三項修正原住民選舉人不受 |
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1944.409 |
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因在籍投票的限制相關的措施第四接下來是辦理優化原住民的領票作業接下來是研議不在籍投票配合措施另外是執行政黨連坐裁罰接下來是辦理選舉徵送案件作用是參與國際選舉組織的活動 |
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1970.373 |
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基層選舉是國家民主政治的基石實施之成敗 影響國家民主發展順序115年地方公職人員選舉月經本會委員會議決議定於115年11月28日舉行投票現據投票日僅剩半年整體籌辦期程緊湊 |
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1974.334 |
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各項選務作業皆以積極、縝密的推動本會秉持戰戰兢兢、如臨聲音、如履薄冰的態度務求選務作業周延完備 |
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1991.172 |
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投開票程序公平公正其能向社會各界及國際社會展現我國選舉充分自由、公開、透明的成果以上報告敬請各位委員指教 |
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好,本會委員都有預算提案了,所以我們預算報告就直接參列那現在進行詢答,委員質詢前原例做幾點宣告本會委員質詢時間5分鐘,必要時得延長2分鐘,非本會委員質詢時間5分鐘,上午10點30分截止質詢登記那因為今天要處理預算,本次會議就不處理臨時提案,請問各位同仁有沒有意見? |
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好,那我們現在就進行登記第一位張志倫委員諮詢好,謝謝主席、各位委員、各位官員大家早,有請游一龍主委 |
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張委員早好 游主委早 辛苦了那就中選會在今年的5月15號召開第623次的委員會會議這是您上任後非常認真不停提第一次主持委員會議 |
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那中選會的新聞稿也指出中選會已經有六個半月沒有召開委員會議那您剛剛也說中選會是獨立機關尤其在處理今年11月28號年底非常重要的九合一地方選舉的投票日也只剩下六個半月所以中選會必須跟時間賽跑 |
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那我們也看到中選會這次的新聞稿也指出我們最近也通過了公職人員生產申報在8月27會發布公告當日正式上線所以中委會也是認真有在有進度的所以我想要先請教主委就這個中選會現在人事整體運作的狀況是否有遇到任何自然難行的地方 |
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目前因為根據中選會組織法本會委員是9到11名但目前我們只有8名還不足這個組織法所規定的人數所以運作起來的確是比較吃力以我個人來講因為我們沒有副主任委員所以主任委員要兼副主任委員的工作 |
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一個人做兩件事情的確蠻吃力的好 謝謝主委我們的預算會對你比較好因為你一個人肩負很多職責我相信就是說如果有任何的想法都可以提出來我們預算我會多給你支持讓你比較輕鬆也感謝主委的辛勞跟委員報告一下我上任不到一個月已經瘦了兩三公斤 |
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我早上9點左右到 晚上6點才離開辦公室同仁跟我說 主委你這樣很異常主委身體要保重 要多休息主委接下來 因為還在質詢 |
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再多問候一下那我要再請教一下因為中選會主導的年底的這個大選裡面地方大選裡面其實就是因為公投已經綁大選了所以年底公投的議題也是相當的重要那大家可能最近看到新聞都覺得台灣詐騙橫行尤其最近獨駕 |
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非常的嚴重 造成很多這個無辜的人員的死傷 或是我們第一線執勤的警察的一些受傷的情形所以我想年底的公投中選會也有意要對公投的議題來進行審查 |
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你也這個在對外也宣布說通過中選會通過公投議題是原則不通過是例外那現在本黨有講說要提有關於就是邊形的公投就是我們有提出來針對我簡單講針對這個性侵虐童以及最近詐欺或者是毒架 |
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我們希望來做一個是否可以納入未來台灣納入邊形的一個公投那請問一下如果我們在立法院通過了這樣子的公投的議案請問中選會否決嗎首先我要說對於立法院 |
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有很多的委員基於社會治安的敗壞擔憂這種社會治安繼續敗壞下去所以提案來這個公投這樣的一個心情我表達敬佩至於說 |
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關於編刑公投未來是否能夠在立法院能夠通過那我們還不知道但是中選會的態度是這樣立法院通過的公投我講的是立法院通過的公投通過是原則不通過是例外那其他一般公民所提的公投當然我們也要依照公投法的相關的規定來進行審議 |
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好 謝謝那我就不用您個人對這個案子的意見了我相信就放在心裡我當然都希望說這個台灣的社會越來越平安大家越來越祥和那您個人的意願有機會我再私下請教你那再請教你的一個現在的重點就大家非常重視的不在籍投票的一個問題那不在籍投票其實在你的專案報告有特別寫說我們現在未來可能是對市 |
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可能會比較容易舉行不再起投票對人的部分因為牽扯到選務非常的複雜那您也曾說過沒有自由選舉就沒有民主這句話我覺得非常的重要可是本席在這邊還是要幫實務上有非常多沒有辦法去自由投票其實投票權的人 |
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因為現在我們有開放在這個投票會場的選務人員他其實是可以實行不在己投票所以本席在這邊常常在這個幫我們所有很多的很辛苦的公務人員警校人員軍人等等的他其實他其實也像他也是在這當天也是在工作啊可是他一直以來他都不能這個行使不在己投票所以我本席也在這裡不敢跟上屆的主委常常在拜託這個部分 |
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中選會是不是有機會來放寬因為其實已經有一部分的人就是選務人員可以不再一起投票是不是有機會慢慢的擴大到這個我們現在辛苦的工作人員他其實是因為工作的問題沒辦法調班而去沒辦法去實行不再一起投票那是不是這部分可以請主委可不可以來研議可以來慢慢的來放寬 |
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就不在即投票這個部分我也曾經公開表示這是一個進步的思維而且事實上客觀上似乎也有這個需要但是我要跟在座所有的委員包括我們張委員來報告的是中選會是依法行政 |
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如果還沒有立法完成,中選會事實上沒辦法去推動不在籍投票在籍投票要修法,要修改選罷法甚至於修改總統與副總統選舉罷免法中選會是執行機關,不是我們中選會說了算 |
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OK那中選會這邊可以提出草案嗎還是要有其他相關的這是內政部是主管機關內政部來提出內政部為主是好謝謝那我們會再積極來研討相關的修法的內容那最後時間的關係我要拜託我們的郵租委 |
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其實今年的選舉現在大家都看到現在天氣非常的熱那其實選務人員長期以來現在慢慢的因為整個的待遇其實沒有調升應該非常長的時間沒有做調升的一個狀況所以現在非常要找選務人員跟工作人員相對非常困難有些地方甚至沒有冷氣而且現在不管是年底加入公投 |
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選務會非常的辛苦所以我發現地方我在反映選務人員越來越難招募所以有在想說是不是選務人員的工作費可以隨著物價指數來調整那也有一些地方有一些聲音說這個給他們這個兩天的 |
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這個休假日類似有點榮譽假的一個概念讓我們整個選務人員不會那麼難找人選務的工作也可以進行得更流暢那我相信主委已經有收到這樣的消息了請問你們現在整體的討論跟溝通的狀況如何 |
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我在上任不到一個月已經在地方已經跑了三個縣市我去了南投新竹縣新竹市每一個地方都聽到這樣的聲音這個問題看起來不是中選會本身就可以解決而是需要我們政府還有我們國會立法院 |
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來一起去處理解決畢竟選舉是我們台灣民主的最重要的一個部分選舉如果處理不好選務人員異性南山甚至也不來參與選務工作那問題很大 |
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所以主委的意思是說您支持這個大概他們的待遇稍微調高一些需要調高那放兩天假您認為呢我覺得也應該也應該也應該要調應該要有些榮譽假放假到兩天好謝謝主委這個這個對中選會的努力跟付出啊那也希望您這個不要太辛苦太操勞保重身體謝謝謝謝張志倫委員謝謝 |
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接下來我們請許中信委員質詢主席、各位同仁,我們有請游主委主委好 |
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總選會能夠有您這樣一個選舉的專家當主任委員這個是台灣的福氣謝謝所以我對您上任以後的積極認識非常的感動所以對貴會的預算本席沒有意見非常感謝那麼倒是有五個問題想要請教您也就是說剛才我們這個張委員已經有提到 |
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這個邊形的問題新加坡是一個蠻令人嚮往的國家那李光耀留學的劍橋大學也是我的指導教授所在的這個學校學院那我老師是那邊的院長所以我在那邊念書了四年 |
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那對李光耀去世以後他所寫的回憶錄The History of Singapore我當然有購買也閱讀對新加坡的一切我們當然非常的嚮往但是新加坡是一個英美法的國家 |
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那我們大陸法系我們的刑法罪刑法定主義那我們的刑現在就是我們死刑然後自由刑就是無期跟有期徒刑然後這個罰金大陸法系的國家刑法權的刑死只允許這一些 |
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如果要改的話是修改刑法就可以也就是要編刑的話就修改刑法就可以那我們可以看到這幾個我們大陸法系所承認的刑它有一個特徵也就是說它的執行不會過當也就是說死刑的話一定是只有死一次然後自由刑20年10年關完就明確就離開連疫苗也不會增加 |
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但是邊形咧齁這個我在看新加坡的做法如何根據他的罪輕重的邊形啊有什麼特徵啊 是不是很容易過當很容易過當所以輕罪打成重傷國家要不要賠償輕罪或是重罪 |
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邊刑打成死刑國家要不要賠償這個是我們要專業去討論的問題我根據我們的國家賠償法這兩種情形我們都要付出巨額的國家賠償也就是說你邊刑如果操作不當刑罰權實施過當國家有賠償責任 |
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而現在監獄裡面的受刑人每一個法治概念都很清楚每一個都很會寫訴狀他的家屬都很會寫訴狀所以國家的訴訟可能會在這裡增加很多主委點頭是同意我這樣一個分析嗎我很仔細的在聽那第二點我們現在健保的支出健保的支出 |
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你把他打成邊形打成重傷以後打成傷或是殘以後他要不要看健保而健保是不是我們全民健保我們現在全國健保的財政狀況如何如果我們在進行邊形的話每一個一定到醫院因為他不會進監獄 |
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我們自由行在監獄裡面其實這個人他還有生產力我們監獄用一種叫做自願性的強制工作他們有在從事生產他的生產力還在而且不會造成國家太大的健保的負擔但是你邊行一打每個監獄院我們的國家健保會的支出也就是各位口袋的錢是不是要增加 |
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所以主委也是點頭贊同我這樣一個分析嘛第三個問題邊形是不是體法邊形是不是體法主委您覺得邊形是體法嗎這是個問題嘛邊形是不是體法邊形當然是體法那我們在學校裡面現在能不能體法 |
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我小時候功課不好被打手心我都研究出一個方法如果被打手心不會打到我的骨頭我們現在學校不允許體罰那國家對一個受刑人他有讓他改過千善的教育任務就像學校一樣那我們如果用體罰是否跟我們學校裡面的 |
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教育的邏輯又相違所以這一點也是我們立法院要考慮的地方第四個問題也就是說公投一次根據你們的經驗即使搭配全國性的選舉一個議案大概要支出多少錢我印象中要四五億 |
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是不是一次公投11億那我記說11億每一次公投要花費11億新台幣左右對所以公投一定要有必要性國家才有必要去付這11億那如果說這個已經立法院無意通過的 |
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有沒有必要公投很顯然就沒必要了因為這是刑法的修法問題也就是我們的刑裡面要不要有體罰這個刑如果說本院立法院已經無意通過 |
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那何必要進行這樣一個公投發揮11億這個也是我們在思考這個議案的時候需要去思考的問題不是嗎 |
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徐委員是台大和劍橋的高材生法政素養非常深厚剛剛所說的這些都碰觸到最重要的部分不過我剛剛也表示說 |
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立法院有為數可觀的委員去提案要進行邊形公投如果是著重在期盼社會治安這個不要惡化甚至有所改善的話就這一個用心我覺得是可以肯定但如果因為邊形導致其他的如習委員所說的可能的傷害那我覺得要一併考量站在 |
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公投法主管機關的立場我身為中選會的主委在各位委員都投票支持我的情況底下我目前還不宜對一個成形中的公投案表達我的態度如果今天我沒有當中選會主委我是一個政治學者 |
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那我可能可以長篇大論講出一大堆東西但是請習委員體諒我今天作為中選會主委我覺得最適當的態度還是我們依法行政等待這個公投通過那我們就秉公處理就依法處理如果沒通過那自然我們也不是我們該處理的部分好 謝謝主委 |
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謝謝許中興委員接下來我們請張宏祿委員我請主委 |
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董委員好主委這個我們中選會當然是選政是比較重要不過還是要請教一下主委今年年底的這個選舉九合一選舉過去幾次的選舉選務人員的招募其實地方政府其實都招募的不大順利不知道今年我們預估情況會如何 |
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根據我最近到地方行走去訪視的經驗看起來狀況不是太樂觀各地都反映幼嬰不足讓公務人員、公教人員去擔任顯悟工作人員是相當的遲疑尤其是新竹縣市 |
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其實我不認為只有新竹縣市我覺得這個選務人員現在大家越來越不喜歡去以前是大家很喜歡去那現在其實你看他工作的時間其實蠻長的 |
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他從一大早然後到晚上開票然後他報票回去這個其實工作時間蠻長的然後另外呢其實如果你當主任管理員、主任監察員等等你那個壓力其實是很大的啦所以我認為這個是幾乎是全國的一致性的東西所以我覺得這個 |
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當然招募這個是地方選委會要去處理的不過我們這邊中選會因為你如果每次選舉都遇到這些事情我看這個未來當中選會主委的人每次選舉都要去擔心這個問題我是建議主委說 |
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其實這個問題我們可以去研究一下如何提升誘因然後呢或者是讓他們減低壓力這樣子大家才會比較想要去做 |
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沒錯真的是這樣子我非常同意張委員的高見那目前地方上已經出現一些比較具體的一個一些建議或請求就是說 |
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比方說提高費用這個我知道我有聽我不講具體就是不需要主委你在這邊我說應該要具體他很多具體的建議那我覺得中選會應該概括把這些意見或什麼充分研究之後那我們再來 讓我提一個問題好不好就是說有些問題其實是來自於我們的政府部門我們的中央政府 |
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並沒有採取非常正面的鼓勵的這樣的一個政策措施使得我們的基層的省務人員感覺不到這個中央政府的關懷的誠意啦比方說教育部 |
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那很多教師的確是有這樣的一些想要參與但是他們也會講說但是我們參與得不到假期啊剛剛大家講兩天可以補修兩天等等等等我覺得政府應該在這方面採取一個比較明確的正面的 |
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這個主委我個人是認為啦你剛剛講的這個可能是單一的面向但要不要提交要不要什麼的這也不是教育部他單獨可以去決定的我是說其中的一部分對我說也不是說教育部他可以單獨去做決定的所以我才說中選會可以啊看是不是要具體嚴厲而且不是只有公務人員的部分招不到人啊 |
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一般人家也不要啊現在越來越少人要去了啦不是只有公務人員我跟你講在座在這個房間在這邊在內政委員會只有我辦過選舉我是親自在第一線我是辦選舉的人我不是只有理論我有實務 |
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沒有人有辦過選舉我從總統選舉到村里長選舉我都辦過我親自在第一線所以有很多事情我是點到因為主委您剛就任點到讓你可以去發揮一下我是希望從這個角度另外時間的問題我要再請教一下現在很多AI的影片其實我們看得出來 |
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但長輩可能看不出來那如果在年底有這些AI的影片或什麼的來擾亂選舉秩序 |
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那我們要如何因應最近除了中選會之外我所知道法務部高檢署都在積極的研商針對這個問題提出一些看有怎麼樣有效的回應我是不是可以請我們的法政處處長來簡短的回應包委 |
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那目前高檢署他是有召集相關的一個機關就身為影音的部分那如果說有因為告訴告發或是說檢查機關他主動偵辦那經這個刑事局或是調查局鑑識為身為影音那並且成案的話他們也會通報這些網路平台業者來做一個下架的一個處理那最高檢查署 |
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就整個的處理流程也會在6月應該是6月3號也會召開這個處理流程的一個會議 以上報告 |
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我為什麼要特別提出這個問題我們如果從發現、查證、澄清到移送到要求平台下架可能選舉已經過了可能選舉已經過了已經造成很實際的影響我覺得這個部分可能大家要再加強而且我為什麼要特別提這個問題現在的AI影片有的我們還可以看得出來 |
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這個的進步是非常快速的五年後你看得出來嗎我相信可能連我們在座的很多年輕人也看不出來了 |
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五年後你無法分辨真偽了光就這個你無法分辨所以我會特別提出是說要及早因應因為到時候我相信選委會這種案子會非常多你們會硬接不暇如果現在不趕快處理到時候我跟你講這個選委會要扛的責任太大了這個你們扛不起 |
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主委你覺得呢我在上任的時候我也特別強調這一點但就這一點來講恐怕不是選委會這樣的一個單位一個60個人的單位不滿60個人的單位能夠去應付需要整個國家的力量才有辦法謝謝張委員的提醒的確是很重要好謝謝謝謝張宏祿委員 |
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接下來我們請王美惠委員,謝謝主席,我們現在有主委 |
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王議員好主委辛苦主委在這裡本學生要跟你探討一個今年的議程在這個議程當中有辦理獨島地方公職人員的選舉來賓 年本2364 |
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萬貴六千要不然在我們如果比上屆選舉的時候因為我們都選舉是四當八十八嘛在這個過程當中你們給五百八十六萬三千塊因為選舉年所以他算剛才本席說的四當八十八在這個過程當中本席有問人說因為東西 |
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有企業、有普通 原本是覺得這個韓國來賓是怎麼有的企業這麼多像我們的理會 以前我們變30萬 現在變96萬 |
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在這個過程,主委,我對全部所有的經費我都贊成,我都支持,覺得有基本好,有可以 |
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這樣很好,我們就要站起來說,不可以覺得說,跟我們戰勝,我們不去了解這個總統,我們也不好,我們可以如果放開,又做得更好,在這個過程當中,主委本身跟你說這些,是怎樣的差異,因為 |
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這個旅費怎麼差這麼多是不是主委你回答一下好不好是 我就剛才委員有特別說到因為這四天天空也好 霧珠也好都起很多啦所以這是川普黨委他們這樣考慮重重的因素所提出來是不是就這個部分我請我們川普黨委的主任來跟你回答一下好 |
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委員好報告委員那今年地方公準選舉的這個督導經費裡面有關旅費這個部分會有增加一方面是因為物價上漲那另外一方面我現在你我不是說 |
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反對你們去啦 這是說那個差距怎麼會差那麼多 正當30萬 經濟費30萬現在96萬 我的意思是說 你是假人 還是雖然你是剛才本市長說的說 東西有普通 有機械 |
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但是在企業當中我去到30萬變90萬啦我現在會想這樣是你們企業出來還是我們要做更好的要選擇更好的這樣啦包委員那這有兩個部分第一個部分是物價上漲裡面有包括了說現在的那個 |
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旅費像住宿費的部分那這個數額有調整但是我們都會準決去運用那另外一個方面是為了增加這個對地方督導的這個經濟起見我們有增加次數但是我們都還是會秉持準決的原則來辦理謝謝委員 |
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因為我看你也很緊張 因為你要辦這個選務就合意的時候 我覺得你非常辛苦來 主委來我們這個處長 為了選務辦到最近才頭殼汪汪我很憤怒 開玩笑跟他說 你不會讓人家倒 |
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不行啦 不行啦因為身體要夠 健康第一因為在這個選舉當中 我知道很辛苦的因為辦好 大家都認為應該那發生事情 辦得不好的像這幾天開票開到三點半大家不會認為說 拿出來的人不對啦認為說 |
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有的人很慢啦,所以這個危困,我可以了解因為我知道宣武會是非常辛苦來,不用緊張,如果頭到五五,要去看 |
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因為 可惜我又不是我們賴總統說他先稍微看一看因為我是主委來說 健康要去看 不能硬撐 這樣不好未來的災禍以後 還要多忙 還要做的工作來 我們說正事在這裡 主委 在這個過程當中 我們每一次 |
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我們的選委會後 都會給大家打分數都會打說 你對選委會的那些不認同和那些打分數對選委會有什麼問題嗎?我那幾分的就是 |
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在政界的選舉對選務任務不好的拍手是公正這個公正感主委我們選舉是覺得說 |
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宣布是要很公正的人 跟我們調查的時候是給別人的感覺是公正感最壞的 主委你可不可以知道這個事情 |
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我不知道委員所禁錮的是什麼樣的民意調查是我們中選會裡面每一次辦宣布之後 我們都會調查之後我們要怎麼去改變 改進 改我們的選舉 會不會更順利 |
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我剛才提供一個資料,這資料最先是委員想要了解就是每一百的雙基礎都有做滿意度調查有四百位一百空青年一百十一 |
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我相信如果你說最快的就好最快的有百分之六十七點錢對那是怎麼賠償的 會不會這樣啦我是說主委因為你將來嘛那因為將來的時候我是覺得說也要賠償的 |
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公性感要好一點,我認為這樣沒什麼改善主席拜託再給我一點時間來,在這裡我們要最終去主委啦主委,我要延續剛才張宏祿委員跟你談到的因為他說所有的人都要擺過 |
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孫悟 說實在 孫悟很辛苦 他也在下面跟我們說在這個規定當中 我就是要跟你談到在前一屆 |
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我們有所謂領館是一半一半 公告領館一半 普通百姓一半來參與嘛因為年貢會慶 我們欠沒人嘛所以我們在訂一間 我們內政會有改公三分之一 公告領館 存在百姓館依賴合約訂去 還可以嘛 |
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在這個過程當中,主委你知不知道,差不多在兩禮拜前從來我從做議員、做立委,到現在我也聽過到一定要選舉的部長,他還會問說,跟你要做選委員嗎? |
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這是剛才主委說的非常重要因為在這個規定當中 我們說實在的我們的公道 |
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有幾個案,到現在也不知道,要被委託,才會知道大家要去做宣布另外的時候,也會煩惱說他不知道站在這裡,只能開票像之前,如果用不好的時候,開到3個半月他也很緊張,主委 |
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你有覺得這個事情會發生嗎?有可能有可能但是中雙會跟這個地方雙興委員會我們會盡一切力量去把這個事情改觀但是這個壓力會越來越大所以都市委員這個制度啦我們這個問題我們很重視對啦 我們是要 |
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主委說我們也是說大家要稍微選擇一下不要一直走啦我們想要做工程一樣可以讓我們中華民國的台灣的選舉可以順順利利大家想要做工程一樣下去選擇你們的可能好好的去找人啦但那個 要兩天喔 一本新旗 |
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又一天在那裏 所以再補一天的時候對公共領域 任何他去做的 他不會想到這樣啦但是他就是很高興的 就是你們要提出會公道的案件 有的理理落落一大堆所以要講清楚 做清楚 讓所有領域沒有這個壓力這是最重要的啦 主委 議長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
謝謝謝謝王美惠委員謝謝接下來我們請黃婕委員質詢謝謝主席我們請右諸位黃委員好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
劉卓豪首先先跟您請教一下這個投票所友善的程度那其實這個之前我也非常的關心就是我們現在全台灣的投開票所是不是有足夠的無障礙設施還有是不是足夠讓所有能夠投票的人都能夠用非常方便的方式來投票所以第一個想要先跟您請教這個其實我去年有問過說這個我們無 |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
投票所的無障礙設施的檢核我看一下2024年的比例是高達了93.58%那去年呢已經高達94%可是我們的目標其實是100%那這部分要先跟郵主委請教現在我們有做什麼方式可以讓今年年底的目標可以達到無障礙的程度100%嗎 |
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那是我們努力的目標但是呢能不能真的做到我們也不敢打包票啦我希望你要打包票我希望你要承諾因為投票是所有公民的權利不希望說有任何因為空間的關係讓能夠投票的人沒辦法投票那就是你們的失職了 |
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請讓我們知道我們可以做哪些事情把剩下的這6%來補起來幫委員 |
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那有關投開票所的設置那依照公職選罷法57條的規定是就選舉區內的公司裡的機關機構或是相關的設施來設置投開票所那如果不夠的時候那往往也會採取借用民宅跟搭帳篷的方式那這個比例現在是逐漸在減少當中 |
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那在這個無障礙設施的方面 那我們的目前的具體的措施有說例如說規定他投票所必須在一樓 那如果是在二樓或在地下室必須要有電梯而且必須要有那個明確的指標那如果是說這個設施他本身如果沒有無障礙設施 那就要做簡易的坡道這些那如果說這些都無法達成的時候 那就要有專人來協助 |
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那我們目前是採取這些比較具體的措施那希望說能把這個減核的這個比率然後能夠一直把它往上提升好 這個要拜託你們我希望你們更嚴格要求那我也希望說今年11月28號的時候我們看到的投開票所的友善程度無障礙的程度是可以達到百分之百這是第一個我要求的目標另外一個是針對這個長者 |
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因為其實我看到說我們現在全國大概有8萬名以上65歲的長者那其實距離投開票所這個整計部有統計距離投開票所的距離是超過一公里以上的也有一萬多人也就是說有很多的高齡者要去投開票所的時候其實是不夠方便的那也有很多是行動不方便的長者 |
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那看起來是中選會我有看到說你們其實有一個統計分析說投票率是隨著年齡遞減那70歲以上的就會急劇下降那也有人表示說可能都是因為距離居住地太遠然後或者說他是獨居行動不便還有一些是住在長照機構的如果沒有人接送他是就大大降低他投票的意願跟他的可能性那我會覺得這個很可惜 |
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因為其實對於所有年齡所有的公民來說投票都應該是他的基本的參政權就是他的公民權那我們希望是可以用更多協助的方式包括是說有沒有辦法跟社福機構合作或者是說我們跟一些接送的團體或者是跟這些包車合作讓這一些有想要去投票的人他都能夠行使他的公民權呢 |
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好委員這個理念我都贊成我覺得也應該那實際上怎麼做是不是也請王處長他最熟悉報告委員那有關投票票所的設置地點那現在原則上就是一村裡會有一個投票所那這樣可以就近方便選舉人去投票那所以在這個如果有這個老年的這個選舉人的部分 |
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那他的投票所原則上都應該是在他的村裡裡面那是第一個部分那第二個部分是有關那個便利的措施方面那中選會這邊是有新聞給衛福部然後衛福部有新聞給各地方政府然後就會那個加開復康巴士這些因應措施那我目前是會再加強這方面的努力 謝謝 |
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好這部分就希望說中選會跟衛福部可以盡快合作你們可以呃公開交標啊或者是跟這一些復康巴士等等的團體合作讓想要去投票的人都能夠去投票那那最後一點時間呃那好沒關係時間來不及那我是這邊是希望說哎還有時間好哎太好了 |
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那我這邊是建議說由主委這個其實你在交接典禮的時候你至此有提到說面對假訊息是所有民主國家如臨大敵這是你的用詞那也覺得說這個因應身衛的訊息可能會左右選情傷害選舉的公平性是絕對不可忽視的課題 |
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那這個我也非常認同因為其實今年年初日本的獨賣新聞他們也有做一個專題報導說這個中共借選的方式是他們講的很詳細包括說深層式的AI然後甚至是在台灣他們會偽造台灣腔然後使用台灣的習慣的語言然後用輿情監控的系統來介入台灣的選舉 |
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那甚至也有直接提到說2018年在高雄的韓流其實就是一個使用這樣方式借選很明顯的例子那我在這邊想要請教的是我們做好準備了嗎請問這樣因應中共借選我們到底有沒有任何的 |
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防備有沒有任何主動出擊還是說永遠都要等到傷害已經造成了永遠都要等到說這個漫天的謠言都已經在所有人的LINE的群組跟手機出現這一些圖卡跟影片之後然後才跟你們通報讓你們被動的澄清那澄清之後也來不及了呢 |
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這個身為訊息對選舉結果所造成的傷害是非常非常大而且幾乎是不可逆的那美國、日本、歐洲這些先進民主國家都是有這樣的一個感覺所以我們是如臨大敵啦那剛剛我也提到其實目前 |
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中選會也好法務部國安單位應該都已經開始著手去研擬相關的有效的措施但是目前都還在研議的過程但就這件事情我們不會放鬆的 |
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好在這邊直接給一個建議啦其實韓國他們有在選舉期間直接成立一個網路專責小組就是主動出擊每天掃24小時掃然後看到說這個很明顯是假訊息的他們就會直接請數位專家來鑑定然後鑑定完之後就直接下架了絕對不會說等他蔓延等他擴散然後傷害已經造成了那這個結果都已經這個澄清也都太慢了那這個其實就於事無補還不濟急啊謝謝黃委員這個提議我們來研究辦理 |
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好 這個要拜託 謝謝謝謝 謝謝黃婕委員接下來我們請高津素梅委員質詢謝謝召委 有請游主委 |
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高組委員好有助委辛苦了這是您第一次到立法院來做這個專業報告那麼您在當時我們投票給您的時候你的簡歷上寫得很清楚你寫說維持高效能高效率的選務行政的系統要讓全體的選民滿意這是中選會責無旁貸的使命這句話呢我非常的認同也非常的支持但是呢主委您知道嗎長期以來我的族人 |
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對於選務的行政系統一點都不滿意而且這也是長期的問題請問一下主委您知道原住民的選舉有什麼樣的缺失嗎 |
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我相信就原住民選民會感覺到有許多的行政措施上的不方便造成他們的投票意願比較低落等等等等相關的問題我很清楚因為我是花蓮人我在花蓮我也接觸了很多很多的原住民 |
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我跟他們有非常密切的接觸聯繫並且也是好朋友所以高金委員所提示這些我是深有所感的好的 非常謝謝那我再次的提醒你大概有幾個面向第一個就是投票秘密保障不足我們可以看到113年原住民的立法委員 |
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的選舉將近有兩千多個投開票所那麼這兩千多個投開票所呢只有一名原住民選舉人也就是說這個人投給誰馬上開票就知道了 |
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所謂的秘密投票形同虛設了那第二個投票成本很高就是剛剛您說的因為我們的族人呢他必須回到他的戶籍地裡面去投票所以成本很高所以很多人都不想回去那麼第三個 |
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投票率長期偏低 偏低的原因大概就是剛剛講的前面兩個都有它的關聯我們可以看到數據113年不分區立委投票率一般是71.78%可是山地原住民只有64.32%而平地原住民更只有58.25% |
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那這不是族人他不願意去投票是我們的制度讓族人更難去投票第四個這個也是我長期以來一直希望我們的這個中選會能夠來改善的就是選務疏失缺乏救濟因為我們投開票所的人員他對原住民的選舉 |
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他不太清楚所以呢每一次到現場的時候都會有掃發誤發漏發然後我們的主任當場會有非常多的問題然後最後是連申訴都無門然後非常生氣的就離開就不投票那麼這以上的幾個困境呢其實呢到現在都還沒有辦法解決請問主委您三任以來您是我們原住民的好朋友你覺得你該怎麼樣趕快來處理這個事情 |
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是謝謝高經委員我上任之後我發現就委員剛剛所提的這些問題都存在 |
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那我們也努力的我們選務單位也努力的去試圖去有效解決所以在今年地方選舉我們已經採取了有效的措施比方說這個秘密投票保障不足我們選罷法57條修法 |
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這個已經我們已經開始研議跟各地選委會已經研議怎麼樣來實現這個改革另外一個就是說您長期所關切的原住民在投票的時候可能這些顯物疏失 |
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那我們也積極的研議這一次在六都方面我們已經就優化原住民選舉人領票作業這些方面選票誤發、少發、未發這些我們已經有完整的計畫 |
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估計可以有16萬的商園跟平原學民能夠獲益 |
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所以您剛剛講到優化原住民選舉人領票作業事辦計畫這個是本席一再催促的時候在目前你們正在辦的計畫您剛剛講到了將會有16萬的我們的族人因為這個事辦計畫就會解決不發少發未發的這樣子的狀況嗎六都的部分只有在六都這一次會這六都的部分這次11月的投票可以會解決這個問題嗎 |
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我想應該可以 還是要到下次立法委員選舉這一次就請我們賢務處來做衝擊 |
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報告委員就是有關這個優化原住民選舉人投票的這個措施那其實這個是要感謝委員在去年預算審查所提出的那我們目前規劃的就是以提出有三個機制第一個就是原住民選舉人的名冊單獨造冊第二個是專人來引導原住民來協助領票第三個就是彈性調派一位工作人員來執行這個發票的任務那這樣子應該是可以有效的讓原住民的選舉人 |
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能正確的到他的領票處所正確的領到他的選票那尤其更重要的是我們有要求地方的投票所工作人員絕對不可以再把原住民的選票放在抽屜裡面一定要再放在桌面上以遭公信謝謝委員好 非常謝謝 |
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主委您的上任的第一個任務恐怕就要先來幫原住民解決這個問題我們希望他能夠趕快的上路非常願意謝謝另外我要講的是不在即投票了非常多的委員很關心不在即投票而且您自己也說不在即投票是必須要積極面對妥善處理的工作那我的主任就是最需要用國內不在即投票才能夠解決我們剛剛所 |
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所謂的反加投票的意願然後我們的投票率要升高的問題那我們看一下整個歷程其實從2011年監察院就已經要求推動不再急投票了2012年內政部有開公聽會2013年 |
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我們再度的要求要建制2018年再辦可行性的公聽會2020年又開公投不在籍投票相關的公聽會我們看一下這個年度的流程你就可以看到十幾年過去了理由也講清楚了公聽會也開完了結果我們現在這個制度還躺在原地 |
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那主委我相信剛剛我聽到您的回答了你說這是必須一個是政策上的決定是行政院內政部但是呢您上任主委這應該跟您的理念也相同吧好跟我們回報一下我長期以來關心研究台灣的選舉制度 |
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那剛剛委員所提出來那些都是事實在2012、2013年尤其是監察院開始關切這方面的問題的時候其實社會反應都蠻正面的可是慢慢的到今天為止社會的反應好像已經沒有像以前那麼強烈 |
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主要的原因就在於我們自己的選舉制度也在改變以前選舉都是單一選舉包括總統選舉單次選舉立委單次選舉所以在任何單次選舉的情況底下實施不在籍投票看起來都是理所當然可是當很多選舉種類都合在一起比方說我們的九合一的選舉 |
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那所造成的不在籍投票的所造成的複雜性就大到難以想像這個我們中情會也在多次跟大院報告也跟社會報告就是說如何在實施不在籍投票的同時不傷害到其他我們非常珍惜的價值 |
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比方說選舉的公平性、公正性不造成選舉的扭曲等等我們要如何能夠一併考量這些價值而不是只是追求不在籍投票的實施我個人也一再講過不在籍投票是一個進步的思維日本可以、美國可以各國好像也在實施為什麼台灣不可以我們非常多的外籍的工作人員在台灣他也可以投他國內的投票 |
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我很佩服高金委員長期在關心族人的不在籍投票的需求但是我也要講一句就是說如果像日本這樣子剛剛結束的這個國會選舉投票單一選舉他們實施的不在籍投票那麼好那我們要了解各種的原因實在是因為他是單一選舉 |
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單一選舉可以使他這樣子我們未來也可能需要我們大院來整體思考選制的改革怎麼樣來同時改良選制同時促成不再舉投票的時事那如果是按照主委您這樣子說的話恐怕這個歷程還有很長 |
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那也不是短短十幾分鐘我們在這裡可以討論出來的但是呢你應該同意我說便利投票它不是對人民的恩惠而是民主應該要有的基本配備吧那當然是 |
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如果同意這樣子的一個價值我覺得就必須要趕快往前走而不是從2011年一直到現在那縱使您剛剛說過有很多選舉制度必須要要充分的在討論我覺得您今天到這個位置上來想必就是有你的理念有你的理想這次投票會不會是你的理念跟理想呢 |
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是 這是一個大方向 我們必須走向那一個方向好 謝謝你 希望主委你再積極努力加油希望可以達成目標好 謝謝 |
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主席謝謝 |
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李委員好謝謝主委我想還是會著重在錯假訊息對選舉的影響主委你也是研究這些民調包含選舉的專家那來擔任這個職位我希望我們對於這些錯假訊息的這個 |
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對選舉的影響跟選務可以實際上來做最緊密的討論你知道嗎台灣在選舉主要政黨三個主要政黨之外有一個最大的政黨其實也參與台灣的選舉就是中國共產黨 |
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中共對台灣選舉他也成立了台灣地方選舉工作專組他在做什麼他在做 |
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研究統戰網路輿論來介入台灣的選舉那隨著AI的這些工具越來越進步越來越難分辨我們舉2018年的寒流配合電視台配合媒體配合半夜的新聞然後開始做整天的操作現在速度可能更快了現在台灣的這些錯假訊息 |
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其實上午可以一波,下午可以一波,半夜還可以一波那如果想要請問主委的意見對於選罷法第53條選罷法第53條是民調公布日要什麼時候截止這一條這個身為民調專家,你認為這個對選舉會造成 |
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什麼樣的影響目前的規定以及如果有討論要調整的規定的話各國對於是否限制民調發布這個做法都不一樣那以台灣的狀況以台灣目前的狀況這個10天 |
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之內就不能公布民調這一個做法看起來社會普遍都還能夠接受那如果調整成三天呢三天或許這個太急切了一點太急切什麼意思我的意思是說可能選民會不習慣那也可能會造成什麼影響你認為如果是三天前 |
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只有在三天前那就是說我的直覺就是說用民調的直覺那會讓我們所擔心的對操作的空間可能會變大會被操作的空間可能更大會被誰操作呢我在這邊跟你說明這個 |
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針對中共借選其實非常大的數量,我們都可以看得出來那也根據國際智庫的研究,全世界被借選最嚴重的地方就是台灣而且不是台灣自己國內的政黨之間,還包含中國共產黨 |
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所以這個問題我們不得不防啦所以剛剛其他委員有建議的這個比如說韓國的例子每天少然後我們要及時因應這些能力的話其實歐盟也一樣啊歐盟有他的這個 |
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媒體的平台的法律他如果借法的話這些平台都是必須要馬上受到處罰而且是高額的罰款所以我覺得中選會這個應該不要置身事外應該要主動的來表達尤其主委你又是民調專家 |
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你都認為會被影響的那這個應該要公開的說明那當然公開的說明對於這個沒宣的費用也是有直接的影響的剛剛有多個委員都表達對於這個媒體宣傳對於這個中選會的這些預算的支持 |
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那我也希望所有委員也對於這些媒體宣傳也要做一個支持另外剛剛有很多委員也講到選務人員的問題選務人員目前就一天大概一般的選監人員一天大概兩千然後可能補休一天那他們怕什麼他們就是怕重演2018公投跟大選一起 |
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加班沒有加班費還引來一堆責任說這個是選務人員有問題中選會有問題我想剛剛主委也有提到這些技術的問題也必須要克服怎麼克服你公投綁大選如果公投跟大選一起選務人員就怕啊為什麼找不到選務人員除了待遇之外除了你剛說的教育部也要支持之外怕什麼怕又遇到狀況有風險啊 |
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主委我想這獵人所說的都是真的啦那我從兩個角度來看第一個2018年那一次的確是一個災難啦也有史以來第一次 |
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那我們希望說這個歷史不要重演所以中選會在這方面其實2018年之後也做了很多的演練就是希望如果再碰到的話能不能降輕他的傷害減輕傷害現在公投綁大選又過了所以究竟 |
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一次大選能夠容許或者能夠承受多少公投這本身也是一個重要的問題啦這個也許我們也可以去研究看看好你要趕快研究齁那今年就會遇到最後來請選務處長來主委你聽一下上一次我問選務處長這一個全國不分區的這一個 |
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調查表格室裡面吼裡面有一個候選人的消極條件候選人消極條件裡面的規定下列人員不得申請為登記為候選人裡面有台灣地區人民在大陸設有戶籍或擬用大陸地區護照你說中選來來處長你說這個中選會的態度是怎樣 |
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報告委員那個關於申請調查表上面那一欄那那個是目前那個選報審議細則15條他有增列的一個規定就是說候選人在這個申請調查表上面他必須去拒絕說他不具有外國戶外國國籍你有沒有審目前這個表格是會在今年的地方公職人選舉沒有我說你之前回應我有沒有審 |
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因為以前那個審查的時候我們是依照公職選罷法的規定來審查有沒有審那其實是有審有審那你被騙了嗎不是 總我再說明因為有關說這個是否具有 |
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大陸的戶籍或是說它是否涉及滿10年這個規定就是兩岸條例21條這個規定那其實我們目前在選辦法適應性的15條裡面它規定繳交的表件只有戶籍藤本那戶籍藤本裡面它並沒有註記到這些部分那例如說那個所以你的消極資格裡面你就是被騙了嘛 |
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他那個消極資格第九條之一那個部分因為他在他的戶籍藤本裡面他並沒有這項註記所以你就是被騙了嘛消極資格你就是被騙了嘛 |
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其實也不是說被騙,是因為我們在這個部分沒有審嘛,沒有審到嘛就是說我跟王處長也談了這個問題談了很多次其實就是過去的表格裡面並沒有一覽是關於國籍那新的是否要放進去那就是新的問題好啦,我做一個結論啦 |
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過去這個表格害台灣民眾黨以及中選會被詐騙我們必須要改進好不好同不同意好謝謝謝謝感謝李博義召委質詢我們這裡蘇巧慧委員蘇巧慧蘇巧慧不在我們這裡楊瓊英委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 陽前發言 邀請有主委 |
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我們在107年的時候就已經完成了罷免及公投案的電子連署系統建制那這個經費也大約要超過了650萬元那公投電子連署系統就在113年的時候就正式上線了那也經過了7次的資安的一個稽查跟修補改善 |
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但是罷免案呢電子聯署系統到現在還沒有上線那中選會呢你還沒有上任之前他是說罷免涉及個人名譽與公職去留為理由然後做一個持續評估 |
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那可是外界會認為你既然建制系統都已經做好了你長年不讓他上線那你是紙邊預算不敢開放啊的一個行政空轉所以請教主委那你現在你的看法呢會不會上線啊我跟我們的中規處處長他是負責研發這些然後非常熟悉這個業務 |
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我在這邊回答委員的這個提問在我任內 |
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罷免電子連署一定會上線好那你的認為表示你是認同本席的看法你只有說一個涉及個人名譽或公職區的這個大家我們被罷免過這是公開的訊息啊怎麼會拿一個這樣子的理由來搪塞呢對不對你既然已經見證好那你也說了你認同這樣的方式你請問大約什麼時候會上會可以上 |
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我們中選會必須依法行政法律有規定當然我們就依照法律去執行嘛但是中選會是一直都很慎重的一個而且你建設好了啊當然大家依法行政啊對 所以我們要做 |
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我們要做中選會一直都是一個所以你說你在你的任內會上線嘛是不是對好來接下來本席跟你討論喔115年今年度的預算裡頭呢你辦理及督導地方公職人員的選舉預算變了2364萬6千元比111年呢增加了586萬3千元那增幅的是32.9 |
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那你其中是宣導費、場地佈置費、旅費以及選情中心人力等多項的經費你的編列是如此但是我們也看到你們是負責指揮監督然後地方的選務經費是編在哪裡地方的選務經費編在哪裡 |
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是地方選委會有他們的經費是編在地方政府嘛地方的選務工作費用是編在地方政府所以我們認為說選務行政肥大換你的目的是要做什麼因為最主要的選舉是一個民主的工程它並不是預算膨脹的工程 |
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因為你們提出了選民又有認為說你是不是會有選務支出的失控所以我要聽聽你的意見你們增加了32.97% 將近33%這些預算你要做什麼跟委員報告一下 |
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中選會的年度預算三分之二都是地方選舉委員會就佔了百分之六十六點幾中選會本身是百分之三十幾所以其實是所以你針對問題回答好嗎你這個增加三十二點九七%到底要做什麼我們要了解一下我是不是請我們選務處 |
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不是你請是應該要請主席主席主席有沒有同意請這個哪個單位請他上來立法院就是要照程序走嗎請什麼人這是我第一次請你第一次沒關係我們那請誰主席要經過主席同意謝謝你來請說明 |
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報告委員那關於說今年的這個督導經費有增加的部分那其實增加的主要部分是包括物價調漲辦理訓練那個這個訓練包括說我們這個請把麥克風轉過來一點才聽得到就是主要增加的項目跟內容有物價調漲辦理訓練那這個訓練包括講習座談所需印製文具 |
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你這本來就有在做啊對 但是因為因為這個物價調漲你是增加廠次還是怎麼樣啊因為增加到33%到底是增加什麼呢 |
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因為有物價調漲然後它的這個還有我們督導地方要去下去地方你本來就在督導地方啦但是我們今年為了增加這個能落實會增加廠次然後它這個物價也會上漲像車票錢這些如果是旅費的話像住宿費那目前住宿費也有調漲 |
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你所現在到目前為止所報告的似乎還沒有辦法融入容納在你33%的增長你說你要增加廠次然後你說是因為物價調整車票增加這個邏輯怪怪的沒關係你把書面資料給本席你到底增加將近33%你是要做什麼我們要了解因為我們代表人民希望知道錢是花在哪裡書面資料給本席 |
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最後一個議題我們115年度裡頭你編列了160萬說是要委外檔案管理經費那這個因為你113年主委113年的時候你遭到了這個檔管局的評鑑他說有35項的缺失必須要改進而且他說要從69年到現在有100萬件 |
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的這個公文呢 那麼需要提出改善所以呢 也就是你目前編列的這個160萬幾乎本席看到是集中在補正以及就是目前重新編目補件這個檔案跟清查作業但是本席具體跟你建議這不是160萬的問題 而是制度的問題 |
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如果你沒有改變你的制度那你往後114年115年116年還是一樣會有這個問題一樣這個問題所以在你長期自動化管理跟這個中期性的一個 |
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檢核制度本身認為這兩項你必須主委你剛上任你必須要去制定這樣子的一個制度出來要不然你160萬你只有在補這些那一樣未來還是一樣這樣子這對不起人民的如果說連中選會的資料都會漏那麼多那我們的民眾要怎麼辦呢我要信任誰呢 |
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是不是游主委所以我具體建議你是不是應該要有數位化檔案管理機制而不是你只靠短期你還是委外嘛你把160萬還是委外不可能你自己做嘛你還是要照以前委外這樣去補救嘛所以避免未來檔案缺漏的問題具體建議你的看法謝謝委員的指教就這部分請問 |
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主席能不能請我們秘書室不是啊 你的看法怎麼秘書處你是主委啊 這制度性的問題啊我坦白講 這個 |
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關於檔案的管理當然是很重要的事情這也是我到中選會之後跟同仁開會的時候一再強調的中選會的檔案是非常重要的要怎麼樣去好好的整件事國家的保藏對啊 你連中選會的檔案都這麼多萬都漏失了那人民要信賴誰呢可是我們中選會也有一個傳統我發現我剛到一個月今天正好滿月 |
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中選會一直都是非常節儉的一個機關很少提出預算的增加自我克制自我侷限因為時間的關係本身不是跟你講預算的問題本身是在請問你因為你是主委制度性的問題 |
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如果你依照目前還是把160萬就委外那一樣漏洞那麼多你漏的檔案還是那麼多所以本期具體給你建立也就是你必須要去建立自動化的管理跟週期性的一個減核機制你贊不贊同嘛要不要做我們去好好的研究好好的研究要不要做好好的研究怎麼樣去處理這個問題他的可行性嘛一定要改變方法不要再有漏這樣子對不起民眾謝謝委員的高見謝謝 |
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謝謝,謝謝楊強英委員,謝謝接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員,鍾嘉斌委員,鍾嘉斌委員不在我們請鄭天才委員質詢,謝謝好,主席有請主委 |
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好 今天的報告裡面有提到這個115年地方工時年就是九合一了你們的期程都累了其中啊 特別要提醒的就是要加油的 要去加強的 |
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就是115年11月8號以前嫌疑人名冊編照完成所以這個時間點距離現在只剩下五個多月那對原住民主委員這個很重要好我們看這個 |
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這個第16任總統跟第11屆立法委員這個投票在平地原住民三名以下的總共這麼多的一個只有2900多然後這個三地原住民3000多三名以下的那只有一個人的一個投票所只有一個人的也是很多這個就在證明就是說 |
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憲法秘密投票的部分就形同這個沒有秘密投票因為他投給誰馬上就知道所以就很多這個選民就擔心去投票就知道我是沒有投給他就會擔心就不去投票的可能性就會有所以我爭取了很久好不容易 |
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在114年12月26號三讀通過然後今年1月21號公布施行的公辭聯邪己罷免法第57條 |
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6810.888 |
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對於這個保障原住民秘密投票特別定了這樣的一個為保障原住民秘密投票權益選委會應單獨設置投票所或以7億選舉投票所內辦理各種公職人員選舉投票不受選辦法第17條第一項應在附集體 |
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投票制限制也就是可以移轉投票移轉投票在你的報告裡面呢也特別也說明了這個部分怎麼樣去嚴厲你們也開了會議也開了相關的會議所以這個部分要去積極的其實它就是一個不再舉投票的一個小實施啦針對原住民在這一次的選舉 |
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可以透過不在籍投票當然它不是很大它就是一個區啦譬如說這個大安區對不對就在大安區裡面移轉不會跨到這個因為為什麼會考慮到這個部分譬如說你們餐廠的理由就是村里長啊 |
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他如果移轉的話市長沒有問題議員沒有問題是前台北市那就會有村里長的問題那個部分怎麼樣就是移轉投票所以這個部分要去好好的去規劃當然我是很希望能夠在中選會再跟地方選委會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
6904.375 |
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鄉鎮區公所在溝通協調的時候有什麼樣的困難我們共同的去來去討論我也可以協助和提供這個潛見所以這個部分是不是能夠朝這個方向 |
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當然 當然 一定這個政委員長期以來為援助民主的努力以及對台灣的這個憲法保障人權 民主選舉等等的這些努力跟高見我非常佩服 |
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6936.296 |
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那事實上我也很清楚的了解我們選務處針對這個選罷法第57條第三項的修正已經積極努力的在推動 |
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| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
6966.826 |
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而且這個陳儒剛剛委員所說的就這一個部分來講選務處也已經跟4月21號三個月也開了專案會議跟內政部副政司內政部資訊服務司原民會還有各縣市的選委會去討論各種可行方案就這個部分 |
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我相信政委員的這些專長這些智慧這些高見可以成為中選會這個研議的一個非常重要的參考我相信也一直在這麼做啦師父那個沒有關係不用不用接下來在你的報告裡面有提到研議不再舉投票 |
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7021.314 |
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知道你對因為你特別提到剛才在說明的時候跟其他委員說明的時候也特別提到九合一選舉確實有它的難度啦所以我一再的主張先從原住民的總統跟立委選舉總統跟立委就是兩張選票 |
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然後呢原住民本來就是在各個投票所都有原住民的投票投票所所以是最容易實施移轉投票因為原住民的立委的選區是台澎金嘛台澎金嘛所以要先實施不再舉投票就先從就我們就先修法先從 |
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總統跟原住民的立委的選舉開始實施就可以一步一步的來去往前邁進可以嗎我們來研究另外最後因為趙委已經站起來了最後這個資料我曾經提供過了就是在111年11月26號這個選舉的時候因為當時的這個 |
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以台北市新北市直轄市來講三合一啦就三合一就有很多的原住民的選民拿不到他自己的市議員的投票的一個投票單 |
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| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7112.611 |
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有很多的這樣案例之前都有提供給這個總選會所以希望你們再檢視一下這些案例怎麼樣能夠不再發生當然那個嫌誤人員很重要所謂嫌誤人員很重要就是說在嫌誤人員的一個這個那個叫 |
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選舉作業的會議的時候或是說這個指導的時候要能夠把這些案例能夠提供好不好好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝謝謝曾天才委員接下來我們請王弘威委員去資訊好謝謝主席我請那個呃有主委 |
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7151.786 |
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7166.876 |
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主委好我們其實在這次的預算審查裡面其實從去年到今年我最關注的就是有關於沒選費今天我也看到主委在回答媒體的詢問說我把今年780萬簡列刪除你說希望不要全部刪除 |
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7176.423 |
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7197.339 |
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那我在這邊就告訴主委可能你們幕僚都沒有告訴你的事情我們在整個的內政委員會的審查過程裡面我長期關心的就是我們政府的沒薛費有沒有過度集中在單一的媒體對不起你把這個POINT弄到前面 |
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7199.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7204.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我們中選會的沒宣費可以看到從民國104年到107年右邊的一共1928萬將近2000萬 |
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7212.185 |
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7237.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
年年只有一家媒體得標就是民視就一家媒體得標好那一百零八年開始一直到去年到去年整個的沒選費超過四千萬四千兩百九十九萬全部連續六年連續六年也只有一家媒體得標就是三立 |
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7239.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7267.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
我就想請問了我們台灣的媒體這麼多電子媒體 平面媒體 網路媒體這麼多但是過去中選會十年來只集中在三立民視沒有問題嗎主委 當然你是現在才上任如果我告訴你這個沒宣費的採購得標過去十年只集中這兩家你覺得有沒有問題 |
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7269.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7295.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我有問過我們主管處中規處說為什麼會有這種情形那麼我得到的答覆是說中選會在煤燻費方面的處理都是根據公開投標對那一切很嚴謹的這個遵循相關的程序但是結果就是這個結果就是這樣好神奇啊 |
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7297.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7321.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
這實在是太神奇了我們其實各單位前兩天我們在審查預算的時候我也直接指出包含我們的原民會過去六年只集中在一家媒體叫做民視他們的答案也是一樣 我們是公共招標啊我們都是評審委員啊我們都是按照合理的程序啊結果就是只有這一家 |
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7324.611 |
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7339.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
這中間沒有問題嗎好所以這就是為什麼我會在媒宣費嚴格把關因為我們長期都知道這樣的問題過度集中在單一媒體而這個媒體呢事實上直接講就是綠媒嘛好來我們來看下一頁主要我要講啊你 |
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7345.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7356.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
因為你雖然剛剛就任了可是我希望在預算上你不要在狀況外也不要被這個屬下呼嚨也不要變成局外人這個沒宣費當時我確實減了780萬就是覺得這過度集中 |
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7361.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7389.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那因為之前主委有來跟我溝通還有後來你們的主秘也帶相關人員來溝通那說今年呢又出了九合一大選還有公投所以呢我說我指出你們過度的集中你們要特別的注意另外呢我也給你們今年度包含九合一大選以及公投月線公投到底是什麼案子還不確定我知道還有一般的民間團體的提案 |
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7390.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7398.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
所以我在星期一的時候老師說我自己都覺得我是非常仁慈的最後我簡列了78萬我願意給中學會給新的主委一次機會 |
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7413.322 |
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7424.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
再把今年的九合一選舉辦好然後也不要再過度集中不要每次都告訴我我都是很公開程序啊我都是合理啊然後出來就是這種鬼樣子 |
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7425.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7453.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
年復一年好像台灣其他媒體都不存在一樣所以第一個主委不要在狀況外我在星期一的時候就已經做了修正那你今天還好像都在狀況外我不曉得為什麼你的同仁沒有來跟你報告另外今天選舉有一個蠻特殊的狀況那大家都會希望就是選舉要公平嘛那今天選舉我們吳宗憲委員在宜蘭選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7455.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7470.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那當然這個吳宗憲除了他跟這個眾議天王吳宗憲同名同姓之外還有跟一位在桃園的前市議員也同名同姓結果在網路上就開始做操作了說這個吳宗憲詐領助理費不講那個實際的狀況直接說吳宗憲慘了詐領助理費被起訴了 |
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7482.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7497.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
這有沒有意圖要影響選舉同名同姓然後故意在網路上就這樣子操作另外呢包含作家苦靈然後說吳宗憲把人家的主題都改了 |
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7498.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
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所以他是廣東他的祖籍是廣東他為什麼呢是要去嗆盧秀燕盧秀燕說吳宗憲是這個吳沙後代然後他就為了要嗆這個吳宗憲 |
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要唱盧秀燕同樣一個吳宗憲把人家主席都可以改了然後故意去挨一個另外一個吳宗憲的說他乍領助理費掐頭去尾所以我要講就是說我們在每一年選舉很奇怪都會出現各式各樣的奧博 |
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比如前面我們幾位委員包含我們的召委提到的有關於升委問題我覺得確實要重視但是像這樣子我覺得很惡劣嘛很惡劣啦而且還好現在是選舉還離一段時間有的是如果你在選舉前24小時說吳宗憲涉判他百口莫辯不是嗎 |
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對不對他根本幾乎沒有時間來做反應所以我覺得在這次中選會裡面我們上上上次大罷免我們也發現太多的包含什麼財經國師啦包含這個作家在苦林士上已經被罰了在選罷免的時候已經被罰了嘛 |
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然後他們不知節制所以要拜託像這種苦苓他無論如何他也是一個在這個綠媒裡面他也算是一個名嘴可是怎麼連把人家主席都改了所以我也希望在這一次的九合一大選裡面中選會要去抓這些錯假這個是非常需要的我們每一個人都需要一個公平的選舉可不可以 |
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是當然可以好我也請主委趕快因為我們可能各委員對預算有不同的指教請你要再進入狀況我禮拜一就改了你現在還在跟我講我都覺得現在是什麼狀況我能不能回應一下好 |
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我是非常感謝王議員對中選會的支持還有理解啦所以的確也做了這個相當的讓步那我了解但是我站在一個中選會主委的這個立場 |
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我們中選會辦一個這麼大的一個選舉2026的九合一地方選舉我們同仁只敢編一點七八百萬的這個媒宣費如果媒宣費又被大量的刪除那我們會感覺到壓力很大怎麼樣讓所有我剛剛講嘛過去幾千萬幾千萬的這個媒宣費集中在同一家你說得過去嗎 |
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蛤 你說得過去嗎 我是給你機會耶我給你們改正的機會全台灣這麼多媒體你告訴我十年來集中兩家 六年來集中同一家太不合理了啦這個我們如果還不在媒體預算裡面去反映這是我們的失職 |
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是不是 是難道全部的媒體都關門了嗎沒有嘛所以我拜託這個沒學費各單位去認養媒體的狀況非常的明顯非常的嚴重 |
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對不對 你中選會認養一個三立 然後原委會認養一個民事你以為我們看不出來嗎 好不好我們把這個過去多年來的情況 我們再彙整一張說明給王委員 好嗎好 我是希望你們今年的這個選舉能辦好了 好 謝謝好 謝謝王宏威委員接下來我們請蘇青全委員質詢謝謝 |
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謝謝,謝謝主席,我請主委主委,向你恭賀 |
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朝野都支持你,讓你能夠高票通過,那是不簡單喔所以我要盡敬秀啦,盡敬秀大家都對你很大的期許啦,因為我是拜的委員會,所以我時間比較長我問你三個問題啦,直接切入主題第二個問題,現在的投票箱,以前都有阿哥你做的,要透光 |
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現在就用抓刑來做 都要拗來拗去 拗來拗去人家就懷疑裡面可以夾帶選票作弊這個補分你有什麼看法 |
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大廈可能比較方便啦,也許結束後,國際的歡迎都不錯啦當然是這樣跟我說啦買前買就想要做便宜的感覺啦,這會反映啦 |
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主委你對於看實際 看那些很可怕的篇幅裡面就都可以記錄在裡面真大的疑慮啦主委這我先把你提出來來 第二個問題這屏東電檢 做病的問題 瑕疵的問題 |
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就這樣一個 莫名其妙 莫名其妙 莫名其妙這樣一分頭 劃十五次那我們選舉就是要參票 亮票 再整票這標準的動作 我看過你們中選會像這張這樣 整天 整天等 整天等整個網絡傳到全世界給我們看到這張這樣不行 |
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不可以啊不可以嘛 對不對所以你今年在工室 你就要給這些選務人員要給人家知道說要認真 要認真 要不然這用搞我覺得我覺得對這些選務人員你們都是用從那個公教人員老師這邊拉出來齁那你們要跟他講 你們不能違法違規不然的話你拿一點點出席費然後啦 如果出事 你是用來捐的 |
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你的退伍金也沒了,你頭腦也沒了人家在做館長、人家在做企長,你還在做老闆所以這都是你要負責的你現在做主委,你的最大的職責就是這個全台灣都是你要負最重責任 |
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這酸母靈丸的訓練這是我們現在大概中山會很重要的項目我們針對所議員你說的這些情形我們要注意加強這個酸母靈丸有很多 中國很多所以臨選的時候要小心要講清楚這個從頭到尾亂搞 |
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從頭到尾都亂搞然後跟他講又跟你抬槓所以上次的主委我們大家都很保留你現在因為對你很大的期許因為你看起來很公正回去以後大家跟你傾聽所以這一塊我就覺得你要用很大的心思好不好好來 第三件事來 下一張 |
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這個就是沒有帶身分證也沒有帶也沒有帶印章就用印簿 印籌代謝章印紙膜 這樣印有籌喔這幾天就是主任管理員跟主任監察員必須要一個人合張結果我們查出來這樣 幾堆啊用這裡籌 棟 棟沒有用地理站棟 棟這樣一個人而已30張 |
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這當然是不應該發生的事情但是這部分我們是不是可以 |
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主席我們請行務處長,比這個更了解來解說一下主席給我一點點時間法政處來,你說 |
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報告委員那依照選罷法的規定那領票的時候是可以簽名蓋章或按執印但是按執印的時候必須主任管理員跟主任監察員兩個人都要同時在那邊合照那這個規定我們在投票所工作人員的手冊裡面跟講習中都有去強調那當然也是會有部分少數的這個投票所的工作人員可能基於便利或是說他誤解或是說他不懂這些規定 |
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然後會有這件事情的情況那這個部分我們今年會再加強的宣導然後教育訓練的時候會要求地方這方面都要加強這如果放在這裡就成立了這會死耶,這真的會發生心肺的所以這屏東的情形啦對啊所以你們這個講時的時候就要很嚴肅跟人家說選舉選輸人,不可以說嘛如果靠坐標,那不可能嘛 |
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尤其是那個PK的時候 短兵相接的時候用這種方式 誰才會會服啊所以跟主委講 我們對你很大的期許做票就絕對不能用我們的啦 我們不可能用我們這款的你看下一張 再來你看一堆啦 下一張下一張 時間夠了 來 再來好 選問的人資格齁主委 我對你 |
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沒有這樣的期待,大家都對他非常堅定,所以要把他擔當搭起來主任管理員、主任監察員,還有一些省務人員的遴選,不能這樣濫於充數,這樣我們看不下去所以在這裡幫你報告再來 |
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空白紙當選票 沒發選票給候選人 有人沒得冠軍票蓋手印 然後就剛剛講的 上傳電腦Log檔 也都有問題這一些 我今天想要提出來因為你剛才接 我不想跟你苛責 但是你可以讓別人跟你亂講你自己要清楚 我們都在看 這樣好不好好 感謝 加油 |
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好謝謝,謝謝蘇清泉委員接下來我們請賴世寶委員質詢,謝謝謝謝主席以及各位先進,有請我們的游主委賴委員好游主委好,這個你被提名之後我算是這個算是 |
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很早一批也支持的我在我們內部會議我都說這個要支持因為從過去你的表現我們覺得我們對你會有期待特別在獨立性中立性中選會非常重要那今天你談一個大題目我覺得這個你提到這個邊形的問題 |
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我覺得現在詐欺這麼嚴重獨駕這麼嚴重我都覺得不僅僅詐欺啊要變形了獨駕也要變形了獨駕這麼嚴重這麼嚴重啊那你說是什麼是敢提變形的公投公投變形這是一個什麼熱帶氣旋什麼意思啊你說一下我的意思是說這是在行程中的一個公投議題 |
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還沒有確定你興奮嗎還沒有確定你興奮嗎你的心情對這樣的面對這公投我的心情我作為中選會主委我必須要平靜但是心裡有一點起伏 |
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我在密切觀察這樣的一個議題的形成別忘了現在的政府是在推動要跟DEI聯結要跟歐盟的人群兩公約聯結那這個是翻其道的歐所以我相信你心裡是有impact這樣對吧我這樣描述應該很持平 |
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我們有請委員再講一次嗎沒有 我說現在可以看啊我們這個民進黨政府號稱要追求的是開放民主價值啊這個是以人權角度說要跟人權良公約歐盟的人權良公約要高度的連結那這個是反人權良公約啊這基本上是不一樣的啊我們這是自亂使用重點 |
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對吧這是兩種不同的思維啦對兩種不同的思維不是不是那你沒有講我要問你的內心深處的感覺我內心深處的感覺你講一下我內心深處的感覺我現在是中選會主委的角色我必須扮演好這個角色我內心的感覺已經不重要了 |
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你講那個熱帶氣旋就是內心感覺啊沒有沒有那委員你誤會了你媒體是這麼大看到熱帶氣旋喔你說的啊委員熱帶氣旋喔有可能會越變越大越變越大是不是越變越強也有可能會消失 |
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所以要看這個條件 看氣候對啊 台灣人都知道 紅胎就是這樣我對你的期待這麼久以不然對你期待好大喔 六代七旋喔 六代七旋 又一弄 結果沒氣了我是你講一個氣象 氣象的一個原理來來來 我跟你講一個實際的 |
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我們現在請問你公投案對你一個主委來講是不是越多越好是不是民意的展現直接民權的展現是不是我們期待直接民主在台灣的落實而且壯大所以應該 |
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人民直接參與不要像這個待遇政治我們直接民權的形式公投案應該越做越好這句話對不對直接民主不能取代待遇民主政治待遇民主政治現在就是全世界各國實施的都是待遇民主政治但是我們要強化直接民主這個部分我告訴你重點因為我這個時間快到了 |
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為什麼在美國投票比如說總統投票同時選民意代表同時一張共投票共投票一張裡面可能20個案子可能25個案子這個你都很清楚啊 |
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對不對為什麼台灣就要一個案子一張票所以造成前幾年上一次地方選舉這個的一個混亂的現象現在很多特別是民進黨的政治人物在反對 |
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這些公投案用這個理由為什麼我們被淹掉了公投不能幫大選被淹掉了就是那一次的亂象那一次的亂象起源於一案一投一案一張選票但是美國是20案可以放在一張選票裡面就是差有夠多那我去查了去查了 |
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一案一張選票是你們的行政命令法律沒有這樣規定啊法律是可以把它二十萬只放在一張裡面啊很簡單啊我今天年底九合一九張另外一張公投票簡單到裡面一個案十個案都要三天啊我就倒就好啊啊就又是那又是那倒下去啊這個名字都直接民族啊這是不是我們的追求是不是這樣 |
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講到技術品 當然要越來越好所以委員所講的這應該大家研究啦沒有啦 我就請問你 這很重要年底啊因為現在已經有兩個公投一個公投 雜期要變形我們度假要把它推公投可能還有其他很多的啊 對不對這個時候我覺得技術品也非常重要否則又會產生那一年 那一年那個事情 |
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那你要不是因為公投這裡面都亂象的話丁守中就是台北市長了這很清楚看得到對不對所以我們希望而且我查了一下法律沒有這樣規定這是你們的行政命令所以我現在就請你具體 |
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承諾一下可以不可以盡快把這個搞定可以嗎就是因為現在可能共同犯很多啊老百姓直接直接人權直接民主他就提案連署人夠了什麼之類就這樣子可能案子很多啊十個二十個阿你講阿你布的搞得怎麼樣 |
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所有有助於健全直接民主有意義公投的我們都應該去你現在承諾我你要不要去監視一張選票的必要性多案把它放在一張裡面學美國學歐洲人家怎麼做你都很清楚啊 |
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我們去研究最後一個小題目你是民調專家民調容易做假嗎 |
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作假 要看人啦看機構啦 你就不會做得到啦看機構 我不會 我不可能做民調老實說我覺得除非蓄意啦 要做起來不太容易民調可以manipulate 但是不是每一個人都會去manipulate基本上不太容易啦 我覺得這樣 除非刻意啦 謝謝謝謝賴氏寶委員 謝謝 |
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謝謝接下來我們請鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在我們請葉元之委員質詢謝謝主席麻煩請主委謝謝 |
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因為年底有九合一選舉啦我們都希望說九合一選舉可以辦得很順利然後不要出現有那種選務不公然後也不希望有人干擾選務啦所以以下就幾個有關於選務的事情跟您討論第一個是因為我們現在投開票所好像看資料顯示說2026年的投開票所有比之前要更多了嘛2024年那時候是17795所啦到2026要到18225所所以又變多 |
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變多就意味著工作人員也要變多但是現在有一個問題就是公教就是意味著投開票所的選務人員要變多那我們都知道說選務人員多半都是公教人員來擔任那問題是近年來公教人員擔任的意願也偏低所以有時候要招募蠻久的還有時候要機關長官勸說拜託然後人還湊得齊那我就有看到好像 |
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主委你也想要去解決這個問題啦因為我看到你提一個方案我個人支持就是說針對公教人員除了他那一天的津貼之外還包括可以讓他補修兩天那教師的部分也是補修兩天但教師會遇到一個問題就是他們如果補修的話代課費又要自己出所以我看到主委說是不是連這個代課費都幫他出了那這個部分錢是誰是準備是編載哪一個機關 |
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我剛剛是還沒講到那麼具體不過我覺得整個大方向上面如果相關部會就是中央政府相關部會支持的話這個問題會比較好解決但是錢是要變在哪個機關嗎就是屬於哪一個機關就是哪一個機關所以是要教育部來出這個錢如果是教師的話那當然就是了 |
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因為公務人員沒有這個問題嘛公務人員補休他沒有額外付費的問題嘛只有教師要附帶課費嘛所以那這個部分你跟人總跟教育部溝通怎麼樣 |
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目前還沒有正式提到這個問題還沒提到喔 還沒去提喔現在我們只是收集來的各地的民意有這樣的一種 那要快了要快了 因為現在已經五月快底了啦11月半年就 你籌備選務也不可能是在選也要很早就開始籌備嘛 人也要很快開始招啦所以有沒有一個期程啦大概什麼時候會去做這個事 |
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目前還沒有這樣一張時間表啦不過我們來想辦法盡快好不好然後另外一個問題就是有一些選務委員會表達說有同工不同酬的問題啦譬如說像以我們新北市來講有些偏鄉他可能投在票所一天就是不到100人 |
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但譬如說以我的選區來說,我們在板橋人口就非常密集,民眾非常多,幾千人都很有可是大家其實,他的領的津貼是一樣的那有沒有考慮說,在比較繁重的投開票所,津貼可以多一點這部分我可不可以請我們處長來講,主席可以嗎處長,簡單講就好 |
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報告委員那現在這個投票票所工作人員的津貼是依照選罷法五十九條之一他有定一個計算的基準那這個計算的基準在一百一十二年的時候有修正過那他是分別依照他當天那個選舉票公投票或是有其他的罷免票的票數的數量然後依照投票所主任管理員主任監察員不同的職務然後分別定有這個 |
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那個津貼知己的標準是這樣子的我知道如果你是主任管理員當然跟管理員不一樣嘛我現在講的是說依投票的人數也有分級是不是有分級嗎目前投票所的這個設置就是說 |
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原則上是一村裡要有一個投票所然後人數是以1200人為限那如果超過1500人就要分社那也不排除說有這個村裡他投票所裡面他的人數會比較少不到1200人的那也是有可能 |
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你好像沒有回答我問題 沒關係 你們再研議一下再來想請教一下 也是跟選舉有關最近我在網路上看到很多人說我要簽戶籍 比如說這個人我要簽戶籍到台北投給沈波洋這個人可能是個人行為 但其實我有在網路上有人在號召說是不是我們簽戶籍到什麼地方去支持某某人 |
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那其實在去年罷免的時候就有出現這個狀況我常常看到說我們是不是簽到葉元之那個區去罷免葉元之在網路上號召說他事實要挑軟的吃所以去罷免他然後呢在我們板橋就有一個民進黨的議員因為板橋有兩區東區跟西區他的戶籍是在板橋西區但是他把戶籍簽到板橋東區來罷免我我怎麼知道呢因為我看到他新聞拍到他投票那請問一下這個有沒有干擾違反選舉公正有沒有主委 |
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這個就是所謂的幽靈人口問題啦這有沒有違反選辦法有沒有構成刑法第145條的虛偽遷徙戶籍罪然後妨礙投票公正有沒有如果是根據戶籍的登記的話應該是沒有 那我們請那個可以請法務處法政處處長 |
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報告委員那個我想戶籍的遷徙啊應該是每個國人的一個不是啊 我在講就是說為了選舉特別號召大家然後去圈到哪個區去投給誰這樣有沒有違反虛偽遷徙 |
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當然他簽戶籍是人的自由你針對我的問題回答好不好簽戶籍當然是人的自由這個事情有人挑戰嗎我現在講的是說他是為了要投票給誰或為了要罷免誰去刻意簽戶籍的這個有沒有違反選務嘛有沒有違反選舉公正嘛有沒有目前如果說選報法的規定說如果有虛偽遷徙戶籍的是有觸犯刑責有是不是有虛偽遷徙戶籍的 |
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有嗎?我剛剛講的狀況有沒有嗎?不要繞圈圈為什麼中選會回答這麼...都不願意回答問題回答呢?我剛剛講的那麼具體如果現在網路上有人號召說請大家我們年底選舉的時候千戶級到哪個地方去投給某某人這樣有沒有違法嗎?這麼簡單罷免的時候他不住在我這一區刻意遷徙故來罷免我這樣有沒有違法這麼簡單這沒法認定喔? |
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主委來回答好不好如果根據目前的法令那應該是沒有違法啦沒有違法所以是可以喔沒有違法確定那這個刑法意圖那你看一下刑法第146條意圖使特定候選人當選以虛偽遷徙戶籍取得投票權而為投票者議統這個法律就是有捏為什麼你又說沒有 |
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看這個條文的解釋是怎麼解釋因為主席站起來我壓力很大可是主席他們都不針對問題回答我問問題是什麼叫西委簽署你給我一個你針對我今天問題給報告最後最後再一分鐘還有一個有沒有方案選屋的問題跟你請教我都拿個案來講這也是 |
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這也是去年7.26投票在我那一區我在有我們的選民拍照拍到的那這個人呢你看一下那個照片這個人他是在投開票所前面就是投開票所的入口他是一個廟所以進到入口都一定會看到他他寫謝謝你們然後右下角是一個那個娃娃這就是罷免的娃娃然後裡面講說怎麼台派什麼之類一看就是要罷免的宣傳好那這個娃娃大家看全部都同意罷免的布條 |
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那時候我們那個民眾看到之後呢就跟就報警就警察到現場說這沒有違反選罷法那請問五位我們這邊不是有一條嗎在投票所開票下一個情勢這個在場宣老干老誘導他人投票這沒有違反選罷法嗎有沒有 |
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那要看距離多遠他就是入口嘛 經過就會看到他嘛入口距離投票的地方到底有多遠不是啦 主委 那我問請教你去國小裡面投票 都設在教室裡面但總是要從校門口進去嘛那假設有人在校門口做選舉的宣傳可不可以可不可以所以現在選舉的時候是可以在校門口宣傳的喔 |
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我怎麼覺得你當執委之後都不敢講真心話都不敢講公道話我不會是那個樣子我不知道原來選舉的時候投開票的設在教室然後是可以在門口做宣傳的 |
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罷免一樣啊你罷免你怎麼可以在那個廟的門口投胎票是在廟裡面然後在廟的門口做宣傳可以喔剛講話都聽不懂啊如果在投票日從事競選助選的活動這是違反選罷法的在投票日對啊那為什麼剛剛那個個案這麼明顯就站在入口然後秀出罷免的logo然後警察到現場說沒有違反選罷法為什麼 |
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所以你看我經過我這樣問學委會中選會的人回答都不清不楚那一般民眾又怎麼會清楚所以是不是因為請你們去把剛剛我講的問題仔細研議跟一份報告而且如果真的有問題的話請你做宣傳好不好什麼情況之下是可以的什麼情況是不可以的讓大家很清楚知道 |
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可以嗎?我不為難主委因為你才剛上任但是請這個問題要解決不是就獲悉你過去降綱好不好謝謝好謝謝葉委員好謝謝葉燕姿委員接下來我們請徐欣盈委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 本席有請游主委主委好 本席今天有兩題想跟您來就教我們來討論一下首先就是公投綁大選這個部分這個公投綁大選在 |
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2018年的時候您也知道產生很大很大的問題所以現在這個公投綁大選的部分你們是不是有做好這個相關的準備是 據我所知這個107年 2018年之後 行委會對這樣的一個情勢有做了相當多的研究 |
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所以如果今年有公投綁大選的話你們有做過模擬演練了嗎我沒有針對有十個公投的情況底下你們有針對幾個公投你們覺得負擔的了我的直覺啦用直覺喔 |
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所以沒有模擬過這個我要必須要這個比較慎重一點我覺得三四個公投應該是可以撐得住啦應該有模擬演練過嗎我看到你們的報告好像有寫今年10月要辦教育訓練11月才要做模擬演練是這樣嗎報告裡面 |
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那這三次的模擬演練你們是電腦演練還是有人流那是講電腦計票的模擬演練所以真正實體的不是公投的模擬演練是電腦計票的模擬演練那所以如果今年年底公投綁大選的話你們完全沒有做好任何的準備 |
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有有有你們做好什麼準備沒有模擬演練然後您跟我說預測預測等到投票那一天出問題跟2018的時候那就麻煩了台灣實施公投我已經有20幾年的經驗了中選會這方面的經驗是可以信任的但是2018年那一次是一個特例從來沒有過有一次出現10個公投 |
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以至於造成選務系統幾乎瓦解那我問你幾個公投你不會有狀況當然有學者去做這種研究不是學者你們是執行單位你中選會你到底幾張公投就是有幾題公投的題目對你來說是整個的選務不會出現狀況我坦白講以我作為一個政治學者我現在是中選會主委 |
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我不宜回答您這個問題就是說三個 四個 五個 六個坦白講沒有那樣的答案沒有那樣的答案有多少我們就辦多少 |
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有多少當然要辦多少但是你會依據有多少然後你們會去這個譬如說假設案子多的時候你當然投開票所你就要變多這點是有共識的吧這個部分是有那以現有的投開票所你覺得公投案可以擠案嗎 |
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沒有沒有預估我們不能主觀上去說最好幾個案子啦不是幾個案子我是說以你現在的能量啊你們現在規劃的能量啊你可以公投案你可以有幾案嘛 |
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我是不是能夠請我們的中規處處長那快一點 不要浪費北市時間可不可以暫停一下 你看這樣慢吞吞的 主席拜託一下好 行務處 |
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報告委員有關說如果是有公投綁大選的話那我們本會到目前已經開過兩次選務工作協調會議那在第二次選務工作協調會議第一次是在去年開的是李主委時代開的第二次的選務工作協調會議裡面已經有針對說如果今年有公投綁大選有關說投開票所的設置投開票所工作人員你這樣都沒有回答問題而且浪費了我快一分鐘 |
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你每位選民假設你有一案並公投那每位選民投票時間會增加多少三案又會增加多少五案你最晚幾點能夠完成最後一張公投票的開票所以這一塊你們到底有沒有模擬演練或有沒有預估 |
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這個部分目前是沒有預估但是以111年9合1然後加上一張修憲公投就是目前這一屆111年的9合1選舉還有加一張修憲公投票那一次的開票地方選會大概在10點多完成那中選會這邊整個完成作業是晚上的11點48分左右那是幾案 |
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哇 那如果現在有三案怎麼辦假設執政黨在野黨各有提議案的話你三案那你怎麼辦你們會增加投開票所那個時候勢必要增加投開票所所以地方選委會跟我們委託的研究案都是建議說應該要有案數的限制 |
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所以那時候一案你就到晚上10點那個是地方選委會投開票所結束大概是晚上10點那現在如果今年有三案那你們的投開票所會增加這個投開票所勢必要增加所以有三案你們就預估這個勢必要增加多少兩倍 |
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目前還沒有具體的數字有請地方都在審慎的評估當中所以你們是看案子因為我知道大概選前三個月大概就會知道然後你們才來規劃投開票所是這樣嗎投票如果要有公投案的話那依照公投法17條的規定是在投票日的90日前要公投所以說以今年如果是要併今年的1、2、8的話 |
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在今年8月29日之前要定案對 所以你們會在那時候之後你們才來規劃投開票所是這樣嗎是所以你們這個的規劃因為公投綁大選有兩種一種是立委跟總統 一種是地方 |
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所以您講的那一次是地方選舉還是總統立委地方選舉那一次就是地方選舉因為地方選舉有五張選票所以大概只能併一案的公投那現在如果有三案有三案公投甚至如果有五案的話那你們真的要好好規劃不要再發生之前的這個八年幾年前了 |
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2018現在8年前的情況好那所以這一塊我們請中選會一定要審慎最後本席最後再問一題因為剛剛耽誤了我一點時間我們想知道現在現在的這個身為技術非常的 |
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非常的猖獗可以這樣講所以在這種情況下如果在選前最後48個小時48個小時出現足以影響選舉結果的身為影音那你覺得中選會你們有沒有一個譬如說綠色通道能夠快速的能夠來針對這種情形能夠對這個大選 |
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就這個選舉能夠有做出一個即時的 即時的一個澄清而不是等到法院 等到法院那都選完了這一塊主委您的這個回答是我的意思我們對這個個案已經有一個非常具體的做法誰要來說明這個案這可能每個選區都極有可能發生啊 |
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報告委員我們在選舉期間我們本會會在這個選舉期間本會會成立這個錯亞訊息的防治小組就選務的部分我們會做及時的澄清跟說明 |
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所以你的意思就是如果有這種情形你們可以多快像這種身為技術你可以你可以在兩小時內嗎還是多久因為這種情形極有可能就在選前24小時或48小時 |
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包主委我們是針對這個選務的部分如果有選務的錯假訊息的話我們也會跟這個警政署或是那個所以只有對選務那選戰的這種身為的這種情形 |
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我們中選會沒有辦法我們現在正在密切的跟各單位研議當中這樣會影響很大而且接下來這個我們會有具體的做法什麼時候會有具體的做法我們希望越快越好這個答案好像你越快越好是多快你多久可以給我們本委員會一個答覆一個明確的書面的答覆 |
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因為目前所謂AI跟網路世界的因為我們的選舉也剩幾個月而已這種情況每一個國家都很頭痛每一個國家也不敢說它能夠這個完全的掌握並且這個有一套很周全的辦法你們一個月內可不可以 |
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因為很快啊 這個不是中選會的問題而已當然 但是你中選會而且台灣面對的選舉還有境外的敵對勢力那就讓這個問題更複雜化中選會就是一個最重要 我們辦理整個選務我們中選會只有55個人 |
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重點在於這個單位是傳統來講把選務辦好有這個能力但面對新的環境新的這個情勢那些身為訊息的這種傳播傷害已經不是中選會這個單位可以獨立處理那你也要主導這個情形這影響選舉的這個結果嗎 |
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我們當然會盡力去做你想大選的結果嗎那當然我們會盡力跟各單位沒有盡力這種事就是說你中選會你一定要想辦法因為中選會你就是辦好這整個的選務嘛那選舉過程一直跟著時代的變化它會有什麼情況你中選會你就是要想辦法是 |
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所以你一個月內可以給我們這個本委員會一個明確的回覆嗎如果您所說的是這一次選舉可能發生的所謂的身為的事情包括國內國外的那我在這邊跟徐委員報告這個事情 |
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也不是中選會在這邊說了就算了你還是得因應嘛當然因應啊 我們因在因應啊但是我們必須了解這個問題的複雜性以及它的困難度 |
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沒有 複雜性困難度就是要你要來想辦法解決不行你當然要跟行政院整個研擬啊因為你就是辦理整個的選務你要想辦法這會涉及到整個國安系統還有選務系統所以你應該要跟這個行政院或者是相關單位主委你就是要想辦法去解決這個問題啊我們會這麼做的一個月後給我們本委員會 |
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明確的回覆可以嗎在幾個月大概這整個在六個月後大概就要現在五月嘛11月對啊大概六個月後大概就要接近頭了就能三個月時間好不好 |
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三個月內 三個月內給本會一個明確的回覆所以我們覺得這個申委不是 |
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最近才有的所以今天問出來竟然都還沒辦法那要再三個月當然因為再三個月也可以你再三個月因為我們畢竟我們的大選是六個月後所以我們希望三個月後我們可以看到中選會的一個很負責任而且很完善的一個答覆好不好好謝謝許信英委員謝謝陳冠廷委員等很久了請陳冠廷委員 |
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我們很快速講一下來我們看一下PPT這個還記得吧 |
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當初有一個叫習二寶習二寶的這個組織 自稱是台獨聯盟然後錯假亂文宣混淆視聽 以假亂真這個是他們最會做的事情 |
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那過去打著台獨的旗號然後來去想盡辦法來去干擾各種不同的秩序那現在又突然昨天又說什麼他們可以有條件的統一最鄙視的就是這種人那更必能鄙視的就是說在錯假文宣裡面他們自以為他們可以用這樣子的方式用這樣的文宣來去擾亂選民讓選民認為說 |
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他們代表的是民主進步黨我告訴各位不僅僅是在高雄其實全台各地整個南部地區都有這樣子的做法有些是合成跟我們的這個當時的總統候選人來去說他們是民主進步黨推薦的民主進步黨支持的但實際上不是因為在單一選區裡面各政黨都已經有提名唯一的候選人 |
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那這樣子的方式我過去問李敬永主委李敬永說他一定會全力來去想辦法想方設法啦或者是在行政上面怎麼樣去做阻止啊 |
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但是後來這個李主委下台之後我就不知道有什麼新的舉措我想請問主委你要打算怎麼去用類似這樣子用混淆的方式假裝他們是執政黨或者假裝他們是在野黨的方式來去分散這樣子的票源來去達成他們的目的特別是這些人的背後有些是跟統促黨是有關係的那我想請教一下主委可不可以簡單回應眾 |
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坦白講你講這個錯假文仙的這種存在這當然是要積極去查辦不過這個是 |
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case by casecase by case我們現在也不能有一個我們提出相關的法案那當初已經也拿給李進宏主委那請選委會當各個中選會的相關的這個人員來去處理那他們說他們會來仔細來去審查審看那其中一個就是說你不能夠把黨守的跟你沒有經過提名的候選人擺在一起做文宣這個是最簡單的 |
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當然日本也有相關的最基本的這種選理的規範跟制度在你就不是某一政黨所推薦的你憑什麼可以用大勢的文宣來去混淆呢這是不行的這是不符合規定的所以在條例上面不管是在修法上面由中選或自己本身作為主管機構就可以提出修法 |
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那我就不用我們這些委員在一個月提出條例然後你們又說這個條例可能這樣子修法可能有疑慮等等的你們自己就有辦法講出辦法來啊好不好思考一下因為這個不是單一選區像嘉義 高雄 台南 台中全部都有有些是模仿我們執政黨的當然有些是模仿在野黨的然後來去分散在野黨票所以我會碰到 你會碰到 大家都會碰到那這個東西必須要專案來去處理啊我們在講俄羅斯的時候再補充俄羅斯俄羅斯的做法是怎麼樣他們在干預選舉的制度的時候是怎麼樣 |
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他們是把18個相同名職的人全部推出來來去讓在野的民主陣營來去失敗分散票源所以如果你現在沒有把最基本的跟黨首跟當時的這個推薦政黨推薦的候選人不得被拿去當成是另外一個政黨的來去做合成來去做這種來去干預或者是來去分散這種選票來去阻擾我們的民主進程這個應該是很簡單的吧這應該沒有什麼太大的問題來去思考修法的方向可以嗎 |
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我們深入去了解好不好 |
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深入去了解已經兩年半了我已經跟中選會的各位同仁來去我再把當年的情況我再回去深入了解一下好 再麻煩主委因為這個東西一定會再次發生尤其是在縣市議員多人次的這種複數的選舉的話那這種雲霧混出的就非常多會非常多有人已經看到一些已經有些人的combine已經開始在改顏色了本來跟統促黨在一起的時候他們是紅色白色的現在全部都漆成綠色的 |
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相反的也是也有你要注意這件事情多選區的時候就是會發生這種事情我們舉這個其中一個受害者其實不只是他是受害者還有很多的立法委員是受害者現實藝人更是如此我現在已經看到好多奇怪他怎麼之前都在那邊跟著統促黨在那邊行動的人怎麼現在開始背心穿綠色的你懂我意思嗎開始在混淆了嘛 |
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剩下六個多月就要選舉了跟你保證這個東西層出不窮所有的文宣禁都禁不完必須要今天在這個時候趕快先做組織拜託一下好不好我們回去研議辦理因為李主委也跟我說研議辦理研議了兩年半了好不好希望新的主委能夠端正選法我們會積極辦理謝謝好謝謝謝謝陳冠廷委員 |
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登記質詢委員出不在場者其餘均與質詢完畢 詢答結束委員蘇巧慧 吳啟明 丁雪忠 徐欣盈 傅坤祺所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢和未答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會 |
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現在開始審查115年度政府總預算關於中央選舉委員會及其所屬部分請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後進行協商 |
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115年度中央選舉委員會及所屬稅務預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第15項中央選舉委員會及所屬42萬元第四款財產收入第16項中央選舉委員會及所屬無劣數第七款其他收入第16項中央選舉委員會及所屬39萬5千元 |
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最初部分第二款行政院主管第十一項中央選舉委員會的所屬五億三千七百六十六萬兩千元第一幕一般行政一億八百億四萬三千元第二幕選舉業務五千零二十八萬三千元第三幕地方選舉委員會行政業務三億五千七百五十一萬五千元第四幕一般建築及設備兩千零七十二萬一千元第五幕第一預備金一百萬元繼續宣讀提案部分 |
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第十一項中央選舉委員會局所屬公計兩案第一幕一般行政提案計兩案第二幕選舉業務提案計二十六案第三幕地方選舉委員會及行政業務提案計三案主決議部分提案計兩案宣言完畢 |
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本次會議議程所列有關處理115年度的預算統一做下列三點宣告一有關各位委員的提案為了使討論聚焦一預算科目編排稅入部分以向為單位稅出部分原例做處理到目則科目為原則第二提案委員如果有提出凍結預算者除委員特別聲明意外凍結條件均依例 |
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改為向本委員會提出書面報告後使得動之三處理預算提案時如果提案委員不在場依照為會議共事該案不再處理為如該案與協商前相關部會議跟提案委員溝通完成將書面報告送到本委員會溝通 |
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及依該溝通結果處理以上宣告請問在場委員有沒有異議沒有好如果沒有的話我們現在休息三分鐘協商謝謝 |
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法定人數不足 |
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| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
10734.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
謝謝收看,下次見! |
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| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
三個字 |
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| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
請稍微 |
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| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
10831.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我來煮一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
蘑菇 |
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好謝謝剛剛協商那個對選委會的預算有高度的共識那所以我們先就說出的部分來做宣讀第十一項中央選舉委員會及其所屬原列五億三千七百六十六萬兩千元提案委員不在我們就照列那第一幕一般行政提案委員不在 |
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好好好 |
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10951.997 |
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媒宣費我其實今天早上資訊社有講過那媒宣費的部分呢因為中選會過去十年來的媒宣費過度集中集中在三立跟民視那尤其這六年來這六七年來也只集中在一家三立那一個中選會的媒宣費過度集中在極極極少數的媒體那當然是非常不合理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
10978.738 |
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但是因為現在也是因為主委新上任我願意給主委機會再加上今年有九合一的選舉以及今年一定會有公投看起來勢必會有公投我看民間團體也有提案公投所以後來我在沒宣費的部分從原來減為780萬我現在把它 |
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減滅到78萬,已經釋出極大極大極大的善意好不好,所以我希望這個就主委有沒有感受到?應該感受到吧你真的沒有感受到,實在是好不好,那就這樣子了好不好,OK謝謝看主委同不同意好,那我們第一案做文字修正 |
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第一案我們做文字修正凍結一百萬之外那第二案王宏威委員減列七十八萬我們就其餘預算照列那科目自行調整好不好好謝謝來我們進行第一幕一般行政原列一億零八百一十四萬三千元張志倫委員不在張志倫委員 |
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11041.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11065.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
改組決議抱歉抱歉智倫智倫抱歉抱歉抱歉不是啦張委員已經改組決議了啦那我這邊也改組決議啦好謝謝謝謝張智倫委員改組決議張宏祿委員改組決議那我們第一幕一般行政原列一億零八百一十四萬三千元預算照列 |
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11067.54 |
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好,那我們來進行第二幕選舉業務,原列五千零二十八萬三千元那有王美惠委員提案、張黃祿委員提案、張志倫委員提案、李柏毅提案以及在場黃婕委員提案、王紅薇委員提案 |
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11118.877 |
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我們是不是併案來討論這個我覺得啦大家的看法都差不多啦而且在場委員就我們這幾位啦是不是各位委員我們就整目處理然後所有委員的提案都併案處理啦我們就全部凍結50萬好不好好有沒有意見 張志榮委員 謝謝 |
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11127.339 |
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好 謝謝主席 各位人好那針對這個選舉業務其實我們針對的問題我覺得還是要討論一下就是115年這個中選會辦理選舉業務裡面主要是新增編列辦理督導地方公職選舉的經費是2364萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11152.569 |
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我們來比較的數字就是四年前因為我們大家知道今年有地方大選來比較的是四年前111年的年底的預算是1778萬那增加了586萬增加的幅度是32.97% |
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11183.063 |
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那增加當然第一個大家會覺得增加的這個預算會比較多啦所以我相信大家都都有些凍結什麼部分那我們也是給我們這個郵主委的這個他非常辛苦剛剛在質詢上也有特別提到這個一天當兩天用沒有副主委非常辛苦所以這個預算我們可以凍少一點是沒有關係可是我特別也要拜託今天我們的招委主席我剛有一個主決議不好意思今天才送來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
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就是我們會覺得很奇怪的點是我們中央的選委會在督導業務的時候的經費上升32%可是我們基層我們剛剛一直在講的選務人員他的整個的費用沒有增加我們剛剛也跟主委在質詢上討論過 |
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中央的經費調升了32%可是地方的選務人員不管是工作人員還是領那麼一點點的錢那剛剛主委也特別說你們是願意增加地方選務人員因為現在我們要請地方來做選務人員的人找不到嘛 |
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就中央增加三十幾%的經費地方剛剛主委有答應他也支持我們地方的選務人員的經費要增加我們沒有要比照的也增加百分之三十幾那所以我們今天有一個組決議也跟召委報告地方人員的選務人員的經費剛剛主委也說要增加那如何增加 |
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因為我相信這些中選會就可以處理的來去讓我們地方的選務人員可以招得到嘛以及兩天我們有提說我們主角也提說兩天的工假這個部分是不是可以請主委現在你們的因為這中選會就可以決定了你們想要決定應該要怎麼做我覺得這樣子不要說中央增加這麼多的經費地方一般的選務人員感覺不到覺得好像只有中央在增加經費以上 |
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這位公共委員我們讓委員全部發言再讓主委一起回應好不好好謝謝那我是支持那個鴻路委員剛剛說大家可以並案凍結沒有問題但是我還是要講一下我自己的提案裡面剛剛有提到質詢的部分就是這個長輩距離投開票所很遠那沒有辦法行動 |
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11283.45 |
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那這個其實我有看中選會有提就是有一些方案嘛就是說你們希望說協調這個富康巴士的業者可以協助在運長輩可是後來也不知道說你們跟惠福部協調的情況是怎麼樣然後你們好像已經本來都有說這個方案都列好了但是我都沒有看到實際的行動可不可以再給我後續你們有做的一些資料 |
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主席在這裡 我也有提起第二天的選舉業務這兩天就是剛才我們所說的說有錢跟那些費用 但是要去 |
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11328.979 |
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11345.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
做的鑑票領域,實在很辛苦在這裏,我認為在董事長和管事長的宣導和合作那一項我認為有需要我們再加強,因為剛才 |
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| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
11361.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
我們這陣子主要說他很用心的已經去整個的所在跟我們身體更好用繼續發表因為選舉這個不能亂來的我們也一定要公平公正在這裡我要讓我們的主委因為他剛才沒補充一點這個公報的問題越來越少人看跟我們公報是一樣 |
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11380.584 |
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11389.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
他的選舉會大那你如果公報你不去注意選舉會大就不知道在哪裡不然我們台灣會看電視會聽電台但是公報現在越來越多人看但是公報是指我們選舉會大是要怎樣去改善這個問題 以上來 王烘薇委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
好 謝謝主席在我們第二幕的部分張宏祿委員的建議我可以接受但是我的提案的部分其中有關於應該是第25案 |
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我要把它改成主決議就說因為我是簡略嘛那我現在可以同意就是現在凍結但是我這個案子要把它改成主決議最主要是針對就是最近以來有關於陸配參政的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
11464.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
那我當然知道陸配參政的問題他現在最大的爭議是爭議是來自於內政部把它適用成國籍法那主委之前也有談過說你認為適用國籍法有沒有疑慮你自己本身也有提出這樣的一個質疑那但是呢現在本來我們在講 |
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11465.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
11478.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
陸珮問題並不是只有之前的李貞秀委員事實上在我們像台北市也有幾位里長他原來是陸珮的身份他現在就面臨到他還要不要再去登記參選呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
11480.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
11495.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
而且現在實務上他就是沒有辦法取得他要撤銷中華人民共和國的國籍問題撤銷戶籍我有問過陸委會幾乎現在將近百分之百都已經取得 |
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| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
11525.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
現在是有陸配身份然後擔任公職事實上他們都已經沒有問題取得撤銷戶籍都沒有問題但是他就是沒有辦法按照你內政部取得的這個國籍問題今年他取得不到預期明年他也取得不到那老實說到目前為止我覺得相關單位也沒有辦法去提供給這些他具有這個參政的權利而且他也 |
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11526.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
11542.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
完全公開表明他願意放棄對岸中華人民共和國籍的這些公職人員真的沒有給他活路可以走所以我們現階段狀況是什麼呢也就是完全阻斷了 |
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11543.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
11559.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
陸配的參政之路那我覺得這一部分我還是希望因為第一個他一定是向中選會登記如果按照過去的狀況那中選會做了這樣查核之後因為他要當選一年之內提出證明那他還是可以去登記 |
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11560.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
11569.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
可是他當選一年之後他又面臨同樣的問題這樣的這個不停的惡性循環所以我還是會希望我們中選會跟我們的相關單位針對陸配的參政權我剛才說他 |
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| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
11599.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
有取得參政資格他也願意放棄對岸的國籍但是他就是沒有辦法符合我們現行規定那實質上就是阻絕了陸配的參政之路我覺得我們一直在講說我們是民主法治的國家但這一點這樣子看起來真的是非常不及格所以我把這邊改成組決議我還是會希望我們相關單位要正視這個問題 |
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11601.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
11617.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
那否則的話我們民主不能是只做部分有部分的人就完全被你阻絕在外所以這個部分就是我可以同意紅綠委員他的提案但是我這部分我改成主決議以上謝謝 |
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11618.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
11642.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
好 那主委可以吧 整幕凍結所有委員的提案 併案辦理 凍結50萬好 那我們先把這個處理好了我們先處理完預算再讓主委回應好不好 資本委員好 那我們第二幕的就併案凍結50萬另外第6案 第7案 第12案第14案 17案 18案 21案 22案 25案 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
11645.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
11655.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
改組決議第29案測案其餘預算照列來那個主委簡單回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
11662.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
11676.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
主席跟委員非常感謝大家對中選會的支持提亮我這邊就針對張志倫委員所提的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
11677.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
11704.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
我們我們同意啦我們同意就再盡快去協同相關的單位來解決你所關切的這一個公職人員選舉投開票所工作人員工作會知己標準公教人員補救兩日教師補教兩日及待科中聯會的相關問題好 謝謝主委那可不可以有一個預計的時間盡快是不是一個禮拜還是方便嗎還是一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
11707.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
11731.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
好就盡快啦好不好謝謝好來好補充宣告第五案跟第十案有文字求證好接下來進行第三幕地方選舉委員會行政業務原列3億5千751萬5千元那有三個案張宏祿委員黃婕委員跟我提案來 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
11733.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
11758.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
可以併案好那我們就併案那我們全部併案凍結十萬塊可以喔好那我們就第三目地方選舉委員會行政業務原列三億五千七百五十一萬五千元整我們併案凍結十萬第三十二案改組決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
11761.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
11783.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
請預算照列,謝謝那我們組決議的部分有34案做文字修正,35案照案通過36案張志文委員今天提出來,感謝你支持預算那我們也一樣照列,謝謝加油加油請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
11787.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
11807.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
各位委員討論事項有委員提案的部分照剛才協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算照列請問有異議沒有謝謝本次通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理115年度中央政府總預算案關於中英選舉委員會及其所屬審查完略 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
11809.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
11837.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
你據審查報告並同本委員會審查之其他各部會審查報告函附財政委員會提報院會本日議程處理完畢現在散會謝謝各位謝謝好現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
11848.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
11848.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
11882.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
11883.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
11923.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
11924.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
謝謝大家謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
11933.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
11953.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
11958.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
11959.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
谢谢观看 |