| IVOD_ID |
17468 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17468 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-20,35-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-27T08:30:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-27T09:45:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:14:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ed0d05b47c73760f421a0c6ed6363745a601341028818003d22ef0800920912f35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「115年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別預算案」案。(詢答及處理)【5月25日、5月27日及5月28日三天一次會】【預算提案截止時間：5月25日(星期一)下午4時】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:58 - 09:45:00 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期財政外交及國防委員會第一次聯席會議然後現在繼續開會今日會議繼續審查行政院函請審議一百一十五年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計劃採購特別預算案現在進行討論事項及臨時提案之處理請議事人員宣讀今日審查預算之審查項目提案 |
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關乎韓臨時提案共識12案預計宣讀時間10分鐘宣讀完畢後預計9點10分進行協商協商完成現在開始宣讀 |
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審查項目115年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計劃採購特別預算案收入88億1257萬1千元稅率無劣數債務資舉借88億1257萬1千元支出88億1257萬1千元稅出88億1257萬1千元第一款國防部主管第一項國防部所屬88億1257萬1千元 |
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第一幕作戰持續量能不對稱戰力881257萬1000元第一節作戰持續量能不對稱戰力採購準備881257萬1000元 |
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委員提案共識死案紅攤通案一案通案第一案請行政院未來向立法院提出第二批發酵輸預算案之專案報告時必須並同提出因應美國政府政策轉變之軍購延期交付財務應變及防衛缺口替代方案之風險管控評估使得進行後續預算之籌編委員劉書斌等三人提案 |
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委員提案第一至第六案為作戰持續量能不對稱戰力採購整備業務費第一案檢列一百萬元委員賴思寶等三人提案第二案檢列二十萬元委員賴思寶等三人提案第三案檢列兩千三百萬元委員賴思寶等三人提案第四案檢列二十萬元委員賴思寶等三人提案第五案檢列二十萬元委員賴思寶等三人提案第六案凍結一千萬元委員王安祥等四人提案 |
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第七案 請國防部針對ATIUS系列我國採購之兩款無人機於烏鴉戰爭之實際運用情形等提出專案報告文許曉新等三連提案第八案 請國防部會同國科會等部會提交無人載具採購之跨部會全責劃分軍事規格對齊暨廠商泰烈退廠機制專案報告 |
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1912.324 |
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文劉書斌等三人提案第九案請國防部於本次特別預算案採購項目提交新式裝備人力配套邊裝與長效人才穩定招募方案專案報告文羅明才等三人提案第十案國防部應建立工程進度與武器交易掛鉤機制並提交專案報告文羅明才等三人提案第十一案國防部應就 |
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1940.66 |
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1963.733 |
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本特別預算案各項軍購建立主案列管機制並於每會期提出書面報告為林思敏等三人提案第十二案請國防部於本特別預算執行期間每會期提出專案報告為林思敏等三人提案第十三案國防部應於本特別預算執行期間提出具體可行請納入耿棟檢討機制之中長程財務計畫 |
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1966.881 |
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並每年提出書面報告第十四案國防部因及早曝化台美共同研發等中長程計畫並於總預算中核實編列台美共同研發及採購合作之裝備系統相關預算第十五案國防部未來反涉及重大軍事投資建案因於軍購要價書提出前後主動向立法院外交及國防委員會說明 |
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國防部並於三個月內研議並建立重大軍事投資國會溝通機制並送立法院外交及國防委員會備查 |
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國防部依依本條例所定程序就各第二批軍購主案提出專案報告進立法院同意後 使得辦理後續預算籌編及審議各項軍費如有相互留用亦應事先報進立法院同意委員林思敏等三人提案第十七案 |
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2027.298 |
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請國防部於一個月內會同主計總署財政部針對現行國防特別條例未能涵蓋之台灣之盾及不對稱防衛戰力相關關鍵項目盤點並研議如何補足相關建制提出書面報告委員林儲英等三人提案 |
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2043.49 |
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2070.063 |
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第18案請國防部就重大軍購項目如何落實技術流台等提出書面報告委員林戴化等三人提案第19案請國防部會同主計總處及相關機關盤點未納入本次特別預算案之無人載具等並提出書面報告委員郭國文等三人提案第20案請國防部就志願役人力招募等提出書面報告委員郭國文等三人提案第21案 |
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2071.689 |
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請國防部及中央相關單位就本次特別預算案之指管通知電情增資系統等提出因應具體配套方案及提出書面報告文羅美林等三項提案第二十二案請國防部於簽署各項採購合約時必須明確表達我方如何如我方因 |
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2097.365 |
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我方對於如期如質交貨資需求及立場並提出美方軍購延宕及斷供風險因應配套方案書面報告文黃仁等三人提案第二十三案請國防部於本特別預算案各項計畫執行時必須明確要求美方組成包商協助建立台灣在地即時技術資源量能文黃仁等三人提案第二十四案 |
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請國防部會同經濟部必須明確訂定核心關鍵技術之 |
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2132.571 |
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移轉實施期程等並每年提交本特別預算案工業合作點數執行效益及技術移轉進度書面報告 為黃人等三人提案第二十五案國防部應針對RTS型無人機完成實彈測試並於完成實彈測試後實施專案報告為馬文君等四人提案第二十六案 |
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2159.574 |
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2183.705 |
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请国防部针对M109A7部署时间提供客观资料并提出书面报告委员王安祥等私人提案第27案反装甲型无人机飞弹系统请国防部提供未来作战准则建立方法违和我方如何制抵制书面报告委员王安祥等私人提案 |
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第28案 請國防部提供現行建案建制規則所規定之對美軍購流程圖並檢討相關程序之流暢性及透明度並提出書面報告委員王安祥等私人提案第29案 請國防部提供有關美軍M109A7等性能優劣與籌購難易度相關比較文件並提出書面報告委員王安祥等私人提案 |
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2215.592 |
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2230.213 |
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第三十案為強化聯合作戰能力後續籌建各型兼增無人機並建置人工智慧決策支援及指管系統請國防部重塑辦理委員王定宇等四人提案 |
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第三十一案海馬士督管火箭系統如預算順利審議通過請主管機關盡速辦理文王定宇等私人提案第三十二案請國防部積極籌編建制國防清新科技所需之預算文王定宇等私人提案第三十三案因應中國發動指揮之灰色地帶洗腦國防部應積極設想各種可能情境制定因應策略並採購相關之武器系統等以另因應文王定宇等私人提案 |
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第三次案 為提升防衛韌性執行軍購產能新興及擴建產線等國防部應積極籌備相關事宜 文王帝與等四人提案第三十五案 為提升國軍全域之兼職能力請國防部持續從事相關軍備之建制文王帝與等四人提案第三十六案 國防特別條例預算僅編列上限期間800億元之對美採購 |
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國防部應持續透過台美合作機制與美方進行說明及溝通並提交執行進度說明報告為李昆城等三項提案第三 國防部應持續透過台美合作機制加速完成戰機非交返國作業並送交執行進度說明報告 |
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委員李坤誠等三人提案第三十八案海馬市都管火箭系統恐趕不上款項付款期限國防部應積極透過台美合作機制與美方說明及溝通並送交執行京都說明委員李坤誠等三人提案第三十九案 |
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國防部應落實嚴禁國軍下載高德地圖必送交執行情況報告委員李坤誠等三人提案第四十案軍購特別預算大幅三減四千七百億元請國防部尋求替代方案補足缺口必送交執行書面報告委員李坤誠等三人提案第四十一案請國防部積極透過勾軌機制加強台日 |
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國安與海事合作並送教書面報告文理坤承擔三年提案宣讀完畢現在開始處理了我們現在下來政黨協商 |
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來現在開始處理通案第一案有文字修正 劉書斌委員還有什麼意見嗎 |
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我簡單說明一下就是因為過去的軍購在交貨時的有一些延宕那我們這一次的一個主決議最重要是針對目前已經也看到說現在第二批發家書還沒有來但是現在還在川普的政府審議當中所以我們的本案是針對說 |
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對於未來有這個軍購延期交付的潮物呢應變要提出來那後來有因為國防部有來做一個溝通說對於說防衛缺口的替代方案是說目前是沒辦法因為絕絕沒有可能性但是希望這樣的不能就不要出現了但是我們就也因應到國防部給我們說明之後那我們也覺得只能就盡快的在過程當中就是要求美方就技術的就是正常的交貨那就好所以我們也同意這個有關於 |
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防衛缺口的替代方案這部分就把文字刪除那個郭官部有沒有意見沒有意見修正通過對委員同意文字修正後通過好第一案麥委員的提案前幾個案子是不是有一併去溝通這就說明一下 |
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請我想是不是就先就賴委員所提的這個應該是四個五個檢列案跟王岸祥提出的凍結案就一併說明一下好請說明我請教一下第一個 |
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我們就好不容易支持你們第一次就七千八百億那有發價數三千億三千億你出於八年一年要兩百五十億為什麼才變八十八億為什麼這次說會變八十八億怎麼會一直要錢要錢然後怎麼會變八十八億算一下包委員這個 |
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這個要跟委員說明一下歷年來的那個軍購案首年度的預算一定是比較低因為他就是執行簽約、備料跟產線準備所以我以F-16V-8拐動這個2400億額度的這個軍購案來說他第一年只有編了45億 |
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所以它這個是一個立場性的狀況那通常會到第二年第三年以後它會開始隨著產線進入生產會逐次的抖升那你告訴我們大概這三千億什麼時候可以全部變完 |
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委員我想我在之前有已經在院會有大概說明一個數字我如果委員有希望我們大概可以有一個預估的數字因為它一年一編嘛那現在在115年剛剛兩邊88億那116年會到102億然後到了117年會到213億那118會到520幾就是說116最高 |
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520億沒有119更高600多億到了120年會到900多億好 那我再請教好今天的這一次88億要付美國多少錢要付多少錢就是要付給美國的這一部分一毛錢就不要倒麥克風要付多少錢 |
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那個確切的數字大概是85到88之間那因為我們現在還有三個項目還沒有跟美方拿到簽約之後的數據所以現在只有海馬市這個案子他已經提出虛款那後面的話海馬市多少錢 |
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您說海馬市多少錢海馬市我們除了首期支付款沒有他另外另外的首期首期支付款這樣總共我們已經呈報行政院支付15億元15億元現在就是說 |
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預估的115年度的M1A7的自走砲的裝備款的部分大概是39億多那麼海馬是大概25億多環甲型的無人機飛彈大概是7億多那托式飛彈的話大概兩批那一批是2266萬多一批是6727萬多那標槍的部分是1億6千多它這個每一個都不一樣也就是說分成裝備款這個價錢多少錢 |
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現在預估啦 剛剛講戰略是我們還要做最後確認現在大概是85億5000多萬所以88億清掉85億有2億5000萬一些作業費啦 維持費嘛 對不對不是工程 主要是工程工程 工程佔了2億4000多萬 |
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兩億四千多萬這工程很多部分也是在年度預算就有的工程不是不是 他是附屬工程附屬工程 配債一塊錢都不能刪嗎工程款應該是不能刪因為我們在做先期規劃的案子本來就沒有對我來講的話給美國的一塊錢都不能刪都給他 |
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85億都給他但是你剩下的5億有三億左右當然可以動啊 為什麼不能不能動呢這個好像一山難一帽子路不能山路去呢那要劣分個什麼呢 |
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報告 報告委員陸軍艙廠向您報告事實上在上週五跟昨天也都有分別到委員辦公室做報告那我這邊再簡要的向各位列席的委員做說明第一個這個工程款最主要因為這個 |
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建案的向量比較大他涉及到六個單位九個營區那他雖然是先規但是還他因為今年的預算這個特別預算他到現在已經年度過了將近一半我們其實委員關切的我們的作業時間非常有限那我們同步也啟動了下一個階段的 |
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這個專案管理跟統包我們現在已經先期完成作業只要等到這個三讀通過預算獲付我們會把後面的專管跟統包先行發包然後保留決標來加速明年的工程作業所以這個先規相對的格外重要那這個先規它的編列都是依照行政院所核定的計算基準以及近三年的物價那如果這個受到刪減的話其實大家都知道近年在人力跟物價調漲尤其受到戰爭的影響 |
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那我們可能會導致流標那先規導致流標整個後面也包含到有委員提案希望整個的裝備能夠配合教育的期程能夠提前完成那這也是我們一直在這整個建案裡面的規劃所以先規是一切工程的基礎那這邊真的是我們是核實編列所以建請委員還是立法院立法院就不要算了因為運動訓練不能動 |
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現在是把整個案子因為他的所有的有刪減的案子總共他是你的總署提案是2000多萬他們有去跟你們的辦公室溝通嘛是不是有去講一些你可以給我刪多少你講嘛就這樣子講 |
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報議員因為昨天也跟林漢跟王安祥委員辦公室報告那我們期望是期望我們因為這個就三的話會影響到後面的醫院 |
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因為你現在 老實講 我給你刪一點你也不會有壓力說到時候欠群目這樣好不好 因為你要叫國防部自己講說要刪多少 這難講啦我們來跟你折衝啦可不可以三個兩百萬是不是可以凍結五百萬不用 反對那就三個兩百萬好不好不用 不信好啦 大家溝通一下你這個委員會這個不好 你就去議員會處理不然就保留 保留送院內如果這樣我當然保留 |
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反正部長我跟妳報告啦 委員會也沒有用啦在這邊他們院會一定都會再提的啦阿主席就求給你 說300萬你也不願意行政單位很難自己去講說大家三制的預算嘛這個沒有啦沒有 這樣啦 我跟你說 撿一百 三百 撿三百萬不要啦 我們董事這麼靈固啊 參選者 兩百萬啦你有交代嗎 如果可以的話就撿個兩百萬啦 |
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那其他的兩百萬科目讓你們自行決定好不好科目自行調整嗎科目自行調整啊 刪除兩百萬科目自行調整啊一到五所有 全部全部啊 科目自行調整你要刪除你自己決定業務費的部分你自己調整啊業務費自行調整好不好 |
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王委員那邊是不是併在一起了 |
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他希望讓他講一下,他說凍結,如果是跟這個已經有關了,我看就併在一起沒關係是是是,我要說明一下啦,因為這個案子是我們提的因為這個昨天,從上禮拜啦,那個光復也來跟我們做一下說明大家可以看到我提案裡面,其實他那個原來這個在那個發案書那個時候,公開進來的時候啊在這個第一次的時候,大概是1203箱啦 |
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不過這次編出來的是4220枚那我請國安部他們說明一下他們現在的算法大概是一箱大概是6枚左右所以數量上其實是有減少所以我也希望國安部還是要做一些說明報告你4320枚是我們當初發家族需求性能依照我們作戰需求提出去的數字 |
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那因為這個額度會,我們不希望把那個彈藥的額度一次壓的那麼大所以還是按照作戰需求滿足首批次裝備要的戰備量然後後續的部分,美方多給的那個部分我們已經跟美方洽談好,納入後面後圍的選購項 |
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好 所以我的部分 昨天我們有跟他們說好了就是我這個部分可以改可是王委員我是說這樣講因為已經刪除兩百萬了是是是所以就不要凍結了不是 所以我們意思是說我可以改組決議的意思好 改組決議好 改組決議 郭文夫沒意見嗎OK 好 再來第七案主決議有沒有意見沒有就說能不能改題書面報告他要專案報告 這可以嗎但是徐委員不在那馬委員 王委員都不在 |
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賴委員他說改書面報告好不好因為你的專案報告變成以後委員會的召委會被框定要開什麼會啊我先挑一個專案報告吧馬委員有意見嗎 這個尊重他一下是馬委員每一個案子都有意見嗎還是只有這一個 |
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對啊 這個是徐曉信提的啊書面報告就好了啦書面報告不是啦 你後面全部都是專案報告那後面召委全部光排這個專案報告其實召委的權責就等於都被你剝奪掉了啦還是希望書面報告那沒有就保留吧那不然就保留啊來 下一案 |
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我沒意見我是煩惱我們同仁我們大家都當過召委你現在給我弄了一大堆專案報告假設你在財政委員會這樣處理那我又財政委員會的召委我就不用排自己的案子我就一天到晚排你的專案報告我其他案子都不用排啦也沒那麼嚴重啦我們專案解凍的一排就排二十個三十個解凍案一起排就一次解決了沒那麼嚴重啦報告一個跟報告二十個都一樣的意思沒那麼嚴重啦 |
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讓國防部說明一下專報你們覺得怎麼樣你們希望改書面 |
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趙偉跟賴委員溝通一下啦如果需要專案報告兩黨都有趙偉 趙偉去排就好了這裡書面報告就好了啦你把每一樣都寫專案報告擺不完啦我們官方委員會那邊已經塞一堆了所以這是書面報告後 使得動之那如果真的有專報的必要趙偉要排 國安部也不能拒絕啊是不是主決議啊 但是我是覺得說 |
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我個人 以我當這麼久立委的經驗你如果擠了一堆專報以後的召委變成他能夠排案的那個空間會被縮小各位 不需要任何稀釋的反應各位想這是個主決議啦 |
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這是一個組決議 這不是凍結案啦你不排不會怎麼樣啊 老實講這是組決議啊 就是他叫你提這個專案報告就是這個召委可以排就不排嘛 就是這樣而已好啦 那郭官部你知道他的意思嗎 他意思說你在這邊說改書面 那他一定要專報他們以後國民黨的召委也是可以將來也是一樣 他給你排專報你也是得去啊好不好 好啦齁好 召案通過來第九案第八案 |
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第八案的部分對 第八案的部分呢就是有關於反甲無人機的部分那我們是有考慮到說無人機在不對稱的這個建軍趨勢當中是非常重要的那個劉委員這個因為你都已經同意了我是不是宣讀啊如果你沒有意見我們就這樣過好不好好 那就是好 就是改三個月一個月改三個月啦然後書面報告啦國防部有沒有意見沒有就在修正後通過來第九案 |
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第九案國防部有沒有意見 改書面喔這不同意了嘛 好那召喚通過 修正後通過來第十案 改書面報告 書正後通過 第十一案有文字修正 |
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沒有意見啦 國安會沒有意見啦11案跟12案合併嘛對 合併 合併都同意啦來 不然講一下11 11 12 |
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十一十二案合併之後文字修正後通過以十二案為主十二案為主好合併然後文字修正後照一十二案為主然後照修正之後通過OK 同意好 第十十三案文字修正嘛 林委員OK 修正後通過好 十四案十四案遵照辦理 |
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十四案通過 第十五案 十五案通過第十六案有文字修正 林委員OK 照文字修正後通過十七案 林楚英委員 也是文字修正後通過OK 照文字修正後通過 |
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十八案文字修正他不在文字修正要通過了齁照文字修正通過第十九案也是文字修正要通過文字修沒有沒有修正喔他只有提出書面報告十九案書面報就是也不用書面沒有他就說書面加幾個字完備整體佔領把這個書面佔領你們的那個修正 |
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沒關係啦 那一句話是一個形容詞 又不是一個動作可能他已經同意 就直接只是一個主決議就好了OK 順便報告好 那就修正後通過有的要給人家 |
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好 那我們這個先那個 第二十二十案第十九案等一下補資料給大家第二十案也是郭國文委員的也是文字修正後通過那二十案也一樣嘛那你們現在去印啦齁是是去印的時候我們十九二十等一下這個 這樣子的狀況再回頭過來二十一案 |
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文字修正已經同意了是不是照文字修正後通過 羅委員好 委員這算是同意啦因為國防部有來過通過所以已經在會禁訴的嚴厲當中所以我就按照國防部的提案好 照文字修正後通過 第二十二案也是委員同意文字修正後通過 |
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他已經有簽名了那到文字修正後通過第23案文字修正後通過這個都有黃仁委員自己另外又簽名在上面來第24案文字修正後通過嗎好文字修正後通過第25案是不是剛剛就是在談這案 |
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對 現在只是說是不是改題書面報告 那如果那就是照案通過嘛好 照案通過26案 王委員的王委員的遵照辦理好 那遵照辦理就通過 第27案遵照辦理第27案通過 第28案委員同意文字修正後通過是不是王委員 |
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那要印喔 那就剛剛19、20要印給大家啦 每一個委員都要有啊好 那這個第28案也是跟等於19、20再回過頭來再處理第29案 遵照辦理29案遵照辦理 通過30案 遵照辦理30案是吳佩奕委員 王帝宇委員可以喔 通過 |
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三十一案 遵照辦理三十一案通過 第三十二案 遵照辦理通過第三十三案 遵照辦理通過第三十四案 遵照辦理通過第三十五案 遵照辦理通過第三十六案 |
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36案我們有做一個文件修正 意見都意見他們是有來我這個辦公室有做說明不過我再問一下部長這到底這個8億到底通過了沒啊就是首批的那個海馬仕這個8億海馬仕的款項行政已經核定了哪時候核定的 |
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他是先用預備金墊付來禮拜一禮拜一下午核定禮拜一禮拜一核定禮拜一核定今天禮拜三嘛今天啦 禮拜一有核定就對了所以送出去了嗎 |
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已經完成了所以這筆就沒有問題了嗎沒問題那沒問題要怎麼處理沒有沒有他們都來說明就是就是詐騙通過就可以了不是我們就建議文字文字修正後通過文字修正後通過那你文字修正後通過因為預算法第84條依據預算法第84條 |
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那個等一下補啊 所以這個先暫停下來 等一下再會回過頭來 需要文字修正還沒有提出書面資料給我們的 等一下再回過頭來記一下喔 第2、4、36萬我們先順一遍好不好 黃委員等一下再 因為剛剛我不在 我還是要表達一下 針對22、23、24的 |
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那本市有三個主協議分別是針對武器交貨的延宕攻核點輸運用的技術轉移三件事對我們來說都非常重要但是都受到主客觀的條件的限制尤其是美國政府的態度決定我們是否能夠如期的貨裝 |
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以及能夠在台灣建立多高程度的一個自主生產的和維修的能量所以難度都很高本席提案的目的只是要督促的軍方不能因為很難或者是不可能達成就什麼都做不到那我們還是要不斷地向美方表達我國的立場 |
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如果自己不主張人家就會不會重視所以本席同意組結議的內容調整但請國防部要確定照著內容的執行好 以上剛剛國防部有同意他們會照著內容執行好 第三案 七案 |
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三十七案遵照辦理啊三十六案啊對不起挑過一案子三十六案這個等一下再回過頭來他們的文字拿來的都要回過頭來是三十七案通過三十八案三十八案委員同意撤案三十八案議委員撤案嗎因為就主要是海馬市已經通過了啦已經通過了對這個案子就可以撤了啦好第三十八案撤案 |
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第四案 九案 遵照辦理三案 九案通過 第四十案四十案也是有跟委員溝通是不是就建議文字修後通過文字修正證他們有附文字修正就按照他們的這個文字修正後來通過但是他還沒看到所以現在再再的過來我們馬上提供來好 第四十一案也是一樣也是用文字修的通過好 那這樣我們會等你的文字修正嘛 好來我總共有幾案 19 20 |
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28、36、40、41 |
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總共幾個案子19 2019 20 |
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就把你們文字修正的資料印來就好啦每一個委員要一份有嗎 |
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剛剛講的這幾案子你們手上都有資料了嗎第19案 第20案 第28案 第36案 第40案 第41案郭國文委員有什麼意見好 謝謝主席我想我本人是提案人 我說明一下 |
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因為這次沒有納入特別預算的項目總共有4700大家就非常清楚主要是無人載具的部分無人載具的部分無人系統的部分無人機的這個部分沒有納入本次的特別預算當中但大家也知道這個國際的整個戰姿形態已經非常的迅速地在轉變當中這些都是現代作戰的一個核心 |
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現在外界比較關心的說這4700億要怎麼補啦那很想要知道請部長待會兒說明一下這三個方向到底是先提特別條例還是追加預算或者能納入年度預算當中擴大規模這三個可能性最可能嘛那這個部分要連同這個主計總署當中基本的方向是什麼能不能請國防部說明一下這幾個案子有什麼關係 |
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那個我說明一下現在就是說國防部要負責檢討現在各個案項嘛那我們要盤錄優序然後另外我們要知道主席總署今年的要編明年的國防預算給我們的征服是多少 |
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那我們來排 依照優秀我們有一部分會排入我們的年度預算那另外當然主委總書也在考量我們是不是要今年要追加預算那追加預算還有涉及到給我們的額度是多少那我們哪些項目要擺入我們的追加預算那至於特別條例的部分呢 現在大家有很多意見有各種的特別 關於不同的 那這個 |
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這個部分我們要跟行政院來一起商量所以依照部長的意思是以追加預算跟擴大預算為主而不是用特別預算為主特別預算也是在特別預算因為要提特別條例嘛那特別條例要怎麼擬定這個特別條例這個部分我想我們還需要跟行政院來做一個討論相對而言 前兩者比較容易啦 |
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好那再來陳冠廷不好意思因為我想要請教一下因為剛好就是前天昨天那個仲嘉兵委員有提出無人載具的這一個產業創建條例啦那那天好像國防部也有派員那請問這個方式有沒有幫助到是不是可以 |
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這個會後再問好不好我們現在先處理我們現在這個預算的案子齁剛剛大家注意聽第19案第20案第28案第36案第40案第41案有6個案子都有文字修正剛剛因為有人沒有資料所以我請國防部去印了這個資料回來那這個都是文字修正大家有沒有意見如果沒有意見這6個案子是文字修正齁通過沒有意見通過來宣讀 |
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因為現在在宣讀的時候可能有人會離開現在先問大家一下等一下因為剛剛這個過程大家都一團和氣都沒有什麼重大的爭議所以是我們委員會出去就不用政黨協商贊成那黨團如果他們自己要的話他們自己再去提再去拉下來就好了好 |
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來 那我們現在開始宣讀了好 謝謝大家 |
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總共編八十八億,八十五億多都要給老闆還有三億啊,三億你擺不出一月三百萬那個先查規工程款的先規,要開標要先做規劃的那個都有啦,一個決定有嘛 |
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兩爸爸是答應了嗎? |
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鸡蛋 |
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大家請坐齁請坐在最後幾分鐘大家請坐齁協商完成請議事委員宣讀協商結論宣讀協商結論通案第一案修正通過委員提案第一案到第五案共減列二十萬元科目自行調整對不起第一到第五案共減列兩百萬元業務費科目自行調整 |
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第六案改組決議第七案照案通過第八案一個月改三個月專案改書面報告修正通過第九案專案改書面報告修正通過第十案專案改書面報告修正通過 |
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第11案第12案合併以第12案為主修正通過第13案修正通過第14案第15案照案通過第16案修正通過第17案修正通過第18案修正通過第19案修正通過第20案一個月改兩個月修正通過 |
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第21案修正通過第22案修正通過第23案修正通過第24案修正通過第25案詐案通過第26案詐案通過第27案詐案通過第28案文字修正通過第29案詐案通過第30案詐案通過 |
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第31案 照案通過第32案 照案通過第33案 照案通過第34案 照案通過第35案 照案通過第36案 修正通過第37案 修正通過第38案 撤案第39案 照案通過第40案 修正通過第41案 修正通過宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位委員對協商結論有無異議沒有異議 通過本次會議作無下決議一 說明及詢答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會議中內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從即鎖定三 委員鍾嘉斌 黃仁 羅明才 劉淑斌 王世堅 沈伯陽 郭國文 |
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陳永康所提說明資料列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以順便答覆第四審查115年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計劃採購特別預算案除照協商結論通過外其餘均照列另在物資舉借隨同協商結果減劣數調整稅出正式別預算隨同機關別審查結果調整請問各位委員對以上決議有異議 |
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無異議通過第五115年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計畫採購特別預算案已審查完略拟據審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前不需交由黨團協商院會討論時有本席出席說明請問各位委員對以上決議有異議 |
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沒有異議通過第六本次聯席會議議事錄授權由本席及李燒及委員 彥秀 核定後確定請問各位委員有無異議無異議通過本次會議議程已進行完畢他也不在場委員普提書面質詢一併列入紀錄並乾燈光報請議事人員協助處理現在宣布散會 |