| IVOD_ID |
17463 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17463 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-25T08:36:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-25T13:37:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:00:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddb28ae05505236aa7ce8fe875dd2a2890601341028818003d084144bceadae6045ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部中央氣象署單位預算。
二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。
三、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款-交通部主管第4目觀光署及所屬。
四、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算。
五、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款-交通部主管第2目公路局及所屬。
六、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部航港局單位預算。
七、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款-交通部主管第3目航港局。
八、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管航港建設基金非營業預算。
九、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算。
【本次會議進行處理】【5月25日、27日及28日三天一次會】） |
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抱歉我請教一下有沒有同仁可以掌握一下至少掌握一下說召委什麼時候到還是部長什麼時候到那我們什麼時候回來總不能讓我們在這邊哭等吧祖密說首先召委打不通那這樣諧詢召委 |
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民進黨團的助理有在嗎好不好不然還是協助這個沒有任何高鐵霧點都遇到了我們也就面對那不分黨派但是我至少我們確認一下什麼時候到那也許官員可以趕快先去做一些即時性的處理或是辦公嘛那我們就看什麼時候開會我們確定一下吧好不好 |
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對 或是我們就確定一個時間嘛 |
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對 因為 |
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你台中其實台鐵比較方便,你不用去做就對了喔,假凍喔,你賣苦瓜 |
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大壽司 |
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謝謝大家 |
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你也是在...在郡縣比較多的地方給黃縣豪然後...看電視說幾層高吧?他們訊號不通喔,每天訊號頓頓訊訊我為大家提供訊號都沒有訊號 |
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我們確定我們交通委員會委員人數夠不夠可以開會 |
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三個嗎?沒有啊,家裡四個了吧?四個,四個而已餒,四個可以才會嗎?等會會,四個會等會,等你公仔來啦對啦,要五個啊,五個啊你也要快點啦 |
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因為我們這邊沒有辦法開貓床那上面有開貓床嗎?有外交國防床喔有喔,OK,那這樣子就是整個溫泉園的產品上來吧那鄰居先進去先進去,稍微自己進去,對對對所以稍微再偷看 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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好 謝謝大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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好 謝謝大家 |
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好痛喔 |
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哦哦 |
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好 初期委員與打法定人數 我們現在開會請議事人員先宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第十四次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年五月二十日星期三上午九時二分至時時三十四分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員洪孟凱等十二人列席委員鍾嘉斌等六人列席官員行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德交通部次長林國賢等主席林交集委員郡縣 |
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報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一二繼續審查一百一十五年度中政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會交通部運輸研究所單位預算決議一本日預算審查結果照協商結論通過二本日通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整 |
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3.第一案及第二案均審查完並內容如審查結果行政院公共工程委員會單位預算因稅入部分第二款第21項照列第三款第13項照列第四款第22項照列第七款第22項照列二稅出部分第二款第18項照列本項通過決議26項交通部運輸 |
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好 請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有意見沒有意見喔 好那議事錄確定那我們現在先介紹在場委員 首先李昆哲委員 |
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侯孟楷委員陳青龍委員邱若華委員我們介紹在場的列席官員交通部常務次長林國賢次長交通部快遞處黃宏文處長中央氣象署署長呂國成氣象署主計事主任張立挺 |
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行政院主席總署公務預算處專委曾益聖行政院主席總署基金預算處科長李正道好 |
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我跟委員會報告 因為我想這個本來今天應該是據縣召委來召開當然因為它是這個交通的狀況所以我先暫待它那我們一樣程序繼續進行現在請討論四項115年度交通部中央氣象署 觀光署及所屬 公路局及所屬 航港局單位預算直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款交通部主管的第四目觀光署及所屬第二目公路局及所屬 第三目航港局 |
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航港建設基金非營業預算及台灣港務股份有限公司營業預算的處理那麼現在進行協商總之請議事人員先宣讀預算數及委員提案那我們接下來協商請我們崑澤委員協助主持謝謝 |
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謝謝黃建豪、趙偉我們就今天要進行我們相關的七項署第一個來進行相關的預算審核 |
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那今天因為高鐵的延誤,造成部長及民進縣召委交通的延誤那針對會議的進行,我先請教一下交通部目前高鐵延誤的狀況如何?清不清楚? |
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包括因為House故障所以高鐵宣布8點開始從南港往左營跟左營往台北方向都改為全車自由坐除了商務艙以外同步我們也已經成立應變中心一起在高鐵台鐵的運氣聯防我們成立二級應變中心開啟相關的接駁 |
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那第三個呢我們也對外說明這個退票改票以及相關的規定那整個列車的可能今天的運轉都會用一個小時三班20、40跟整點對開的方式來運作那要到晚上才能夠做整體的巡檢到晚上看相關的班次能不能正常 |
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這個影響非常大高鐵現在每天的平均搭乘人次是高達24萬人次在重要的假日甚至每天平均搭乘人次是衝破30萬人次 |
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這不只是交通委員會我們開會受到延誤更是每一位國人在交通造成不管是工作、生活、上課等等重大的影響跟衝擊那我必須要提醒交通部我們在2024年這樣的行車異常 |
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大概有25件到2025年已經提升到43件那今年到現在為止也發生了多次的相關的延誤比較嚴重的在5月25也發生過一次那 |
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相關的這樣的一個延誤跟影響必須要儘早的一個改善好那是來請侯孟愷委員來 次長我想兩個部分這應該也算是程序發言就是說第一 |
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高鐵今天的這個耗資異常我剛查了一下歷史真的算是高鐵這個近年來很少的一個狀況那但是料敵從寬因為剛剛昭偉有提到一個這個期待就是說是不是要晚上能夠好可是就我們現在的理解可能你也沒有辦法讓高鐵 |
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停下來做全面的一個搶修也因此有可能是不是要再說明清楚一點有可能今天一整天都沒有辦法正常的對號車次而是採取您剛所提到的現在的南下北上都是每小時三班的全車自由坐 |
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那我覺得因為面對遇到已經遇到了我覺得對於現在譬如說中午下午晚上可能有買高鐵的乘客你也要預先讓他們知道他們面臨到什麼樣的狀況我覺得該適時的預告要預告讓今天下午晚上的民眾如果說他買了對號座他可能要了解他面臨到的情況他要提前到車站那有可能這樣的一個狀況是要到 |
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今天晚上明天才有可能排除是不是還是說有辦法搶修在今天多少點以前可以恢復正常我覺得這要讓民眾適時的了解以便做他行程的安排跟因應次長是不是再說明一下是 謝謝委員 |
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我們是早上宣布八點以後今天白天按照剛剛說明一小時三班的方式二十四時跟整點從南港跟左營互開商務艙除外其他的都全車自由坐 |
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高鐵公司我剛剛報告成立應變中心以及應變中心也對外宣布所有的退改票規定5點30到60分鐘退50%的票一個小時以上的就全退一年內可以去退改票所以目前這個已經對外先說明但是我們現在有通報雲安會跟部里 |
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鐵道局正在全力查查相關的原因如果能夠及時修復那也會提早跟大家來說明但是目前因為剛剛委員提的確實是降維運作而且也無法全停來維修所以目前預計是先用白天先用這樣的方式運作那如果我們提早作業完成我們就會提早公佈恢復正常以上說明 |
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主席謝謝我想我是補充程序說明我想今天這事件讓很多民眾早上的行程被打亂了包含說連委員跟部長都受到影響那其實我們利用這個機會也希望次長叮嚀一下高鐵公司的部分像這種資訊的串流像我們的手機APP或是我們的手機簡訊都沒有收到相關通知這個理論上它擁有我們所有客戶的資料它應該是可以提早通知大家 |
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那另外是退票的問題其實剛剛民眾有服務所傳來有幾個陳情案如果要退票的話他目前還沒辦法透過手機透過這種資訊軟體去退票他必須排隊退票那排隊退票一個人就根據我陳情的這個部分他們大概一個人要七分鐘八分鐘填寫現場資料他才能夠成功退票所以我覺得遇到這種狀況我覺得高鐵公司的這個緊急應變能力還是要加強一下以上 謝謝 |
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非常謝謝委員提醒退票是一年內都可以辦理所以請觀眾也不用急著今天就辦理那電子這個APP的部分因為可能目前狀況比較大但是我們在那個高鐵的那個叫什麼app是吧 |
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上面TEX上面應該有推播相關的訊息謝謝委員提醒我們會再對外說明提醒高鐵對外說明 |
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好那因為交通委員會有多位委員以及部長現在都延誤在高鐵相關的因為訊號異常所造成的延誤那我要休息五分鐘請各黨團助理確認相關委員交通的狀況我們再來決定開會的時間現在休息請問一下各個委員交通的狀況 |
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剪刀剝皮 |
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3377.543 |
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9點50的 |
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好 委員大概都在10點之後才會陸續的到達好 我們現在正式開會我來做以下的宣告那因為高鐵訊號一場造成延誤不但造成國人的日常生活的影響跟衝擊也影響到交通委員會部長及委員 |
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開會的時程那相關的委員都在10點之後才能陸續的到達我們現在就休息到10點15分之後繼續開會休息 |
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剪刀剪刀 |
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好好好 |
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響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
響鐘 |
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6410.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
6410.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
謝謝大家,下次見 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
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各位委員辛苦大家我們現在就開始進行今天的會議我們先來審查交通部氣象署氣象署的單位預算來 |
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6526.847 |
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好 各位委員氣象署的單位預算我們先看第一到二十五案我們併案處理各位委員有沒有意見中央氣象署的一到二十五案 |
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6533.243 |
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好 李分子委員第24案有關於交通部氣象署在第一幕氣象科技研究發展的第三節相關的精進氣象雷達與災防的預警那它的預算是編列了3億3965萬那當然它的用途包括 |
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6587.966 |
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強化雷達的服務的韌性以及拓展防災風險的知識傳播等等其實我們都知道國人防災的意識仍然是不足以地震為例中研院的研究報告也指出我國民眾在地震發生的當下確實還有很多人沒有確實的應變措施 |
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其中感覺不需要應變的有高達49.8%僅有8.3%的民眾採用以政府宣導的方式來保護自己那氣象署針對地震災害性的天氣要加強宣導的這個部分必須要提出妥善的一個規劃 |
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那我提議凍結預算100萬在一個月內應該要提出如何加長宣導地震災害性天災等災害應變措施向立法院交通委員會提出說明報告後解凍以上好 謝謝各位還有意見嗎沒有 我們請氣象署來說明 |
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好的委員好的確是在極端氣候之下複合性的災害越來越多像去年丹納斯颱風登陸中南部的時候其實產生了這種強風是很多人都沒經歷過的所以不同的災種跟不同的宣導方式氣象署會在這個地方持續的在加強 |
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6660.325 |
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那同時我們也會跟相關的一些防災的一些部會就譬如說水利署或者是水保署土石的這一塊甚至地震的這一部分也跟消防署這邊來合作來做從 |
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6700.162 |
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地震氣象災害的威脅一直連貫到最後的一里路那我們也會透過我們的官網還有我們的APP還有我們的粉絲團去推播這一些災害來的訊息即使能讓民眾能夠有所因應那這一方面氣象署會在這個地方會做一個更完整的規劃跟委員報告 謝謝 |
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6702.803 |
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6719.88 |
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好 謝謝各位委員還有意見嗎好 魯明哲委員來 謝謝主席因為我提案有三個案子那我針對前兩個案子來做一個補充說明首先是第六案的一個部分這份我們特別看到啦那就能延續之前計畫新開創一個六年的計畫但總經費不低啊 |
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6724.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
6730.987 |
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大概22.5億今年編了3.25億那這個部分請你們要稍微說明一下這樣的預算當然龐大對於我們整個的一個數位治理跟創新計畫它主要的 |
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6741.152 |
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6759.357 |
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硬體軟體的一個設計的一個到底具體內容是什麼你預期的目標跟效益什麼時候可以達到那有沒有什麼涉及其他中央部會地方政府同樣在編列這個預算我這邊提示凍結10%主要是希望你做一個清楚的一個說明 |
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6788.851 |
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那接下來是第14案14案部分你今年編了3270萬元那這個計畫其實上我們之前有提過了最主要是一直過去流標了12次流標廢標所以我們在提案的114年預算當時我們有提出說到底這個是不是要刪減或整個凍結當時有委員覺得說非常需要那這樣整個一年之後 |
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6789.471 |
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6814.992 |
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你們到底飆得出去 飆不出去到底困難點在哪裡所以我這案也提凍結10% 以上說明好 謝謝盧委員請徐副委員謝謝主席 我提出第一案跟第二案那第二個案子是針對我們台灣南部地區這個地震跟海嘯的一個海嶺監測系統的建置計畫 |
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那這個也是經過多次流標那氣象署有多次修正但是因為我們發現這個修正之後是不是跟原本的規劃有一個很顯著的一個差異那到底會不會影響到我們科研的一個效益跟延宕一個防災的一個建置所以我想氣象署應該審慎減少這樣的一個計畫架構所以我提出凍結兩千萬那經過溝通改凍結五百萬提出書面報告 使得凍資 |
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6845.071 |
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6861.217 |
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那第二案是針對因為我們有進入現在極端氣候那農業部在辦理農損認定的時候仍然高度仰賴我們氣象署現有的氣象觀測站的一個數據資料那作為一個是不是啟動免性開運機制的一個重要的一個依據 |
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6882.102 |
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那但是因為我們現在我們很多的一個農業縣我們的氣象觀測站的密度明顯不足尤其像屏東縣我們的服務員遼闊那氣象的差異很大那尤其遇到局部的一個強降雨的時候恐造成一個區域性的一個災害那現有的觀測資料也沒辦法呈現實際上一個農損的一個情形 |
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6902.76 |
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我想對於我們農民的權益影響甚具所以我想這部分我們一樣提出凍結一千萬那希望氣象署能夠盡快的建置更多的一個氣象觀測站作為未來這個農民的一個氣象一個精準的資訊那也降低我們天然災害帶來的一個衝擊好 謝謝 |
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6904.562 |
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6933.491 |
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好 謝謝 請就委員謝謝召委 本期題目是第三案同樣的這項氣象科技研究我題目是凍結10%那主要是因為這個計畫執行很多年了可是就因為招標不順還有物價上漲也也是多次流標進度嚴重落後預算也一直追加那尤其是這個原本規劃海嵐的長度約800公里那後來說減到200公里等於監測範圍大幅縮水可能會影響全台地震還有海嘯早期的預警能力 |
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所以這邊也希望氣象署能夠提出報告要包括要有流標的原因還有計畫縮減影響還有預警能力的它的效能差異那這邊以上補充 |
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6947.853 |
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6965.758 |
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好謝謝請黃建豪召委好謝謝召委那個我是提8跟11跟20案那第8案其實它整個經費第三期的計畫比第二期的計畫增幅達到52.49%那它到底是原因在哪裡因為其實我們之前談過其實對氣象組我們當然支持說我們選用很好的科技 |
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6966.378 |
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6984.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
能夠提升整體的氣象預準的精度但是這個第二期計畫跟第二期計畫差別差了這麼多錢那到底是錢花在什麼樣的地方政府達到52.49%的原因在哪裡那再來就是說第11案也是類似的概念就是你們要買這個超級電腦沒有問題但是為什麼這個計畫在去年的時候到2025年大約的實現率有13.36% |
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6991.232 |
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7017.933 |
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那這個資訊這麼低的情況之下後面第七代又要繼續再把錢追加上去這部分肯定要請你們說明清楚然後二十案的部分也是在預算也是在那個經費執行率上也是一樣的問題喔前面的流標這麼多次那後面又提新的計畫那前面的部分解決了沒那如果後面我現在錢又給你了會不會又繼續流標不要把它偵測到相關我們需要知道海嘯預警系統等等這部分可能也要請一併的說明以上謝謝 |
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7019.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
7045.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
好 感謝 我們請交通部的說明 氣象署委員好 那綜合委員的提問那我們氣象署這邊做整體來框幾個面向來跟委員報告還有委員提到的一些相關的一些像農業站等等的這些資料我待會我一定來回答 |
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7045.882 |
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7066.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
那有關於委員普遍都有關心的台灣南部海域地震海嘯海嵐監測及建設計畫這支計畫過去流標了12次那在整個台灣的海域地震海嘯監測部分的話我們目前有的就是東部的海嵐已經完成了三期 |
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那目前游标12次的主要是第四期海岸那因为我们在110年提出来这个计划的时候呢正好碰到COVID-19同时之后物价的飙涨那接续之后呢南海中国飞域边的情势紧张也造成了多次的延诞那这一些 |
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國際情勢的變化實在是有很多不可抗力的因素在裡面不過氣象署還是認為在台灣南海馬尼拉海溝的地震對我們南台灣的地震跟海嘯都有威脅所以氣象署持續的提供提出了第三次的修正計畫那期待呢在未來能夠把這個海嵐能夠建構起來 |
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那過去一兩年期間呢 信向許還是持續的在跟國外跟國內的潛在廠商去做投標意願的徵詢那同時呢 我們也在設計細節部分做了一些修正我們原來是用節點式的一個監測儀不過這個監測儀節點式的相對來講比較昂貴 |
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後來我們就跟相關的一些潛在廠商談有沒有一些新的技術可以導入那我們目前呢規劃的修正計畫裡面我們是設定了它是用嵌入式的系統同時呢它具有可擴充可延長能夠呢 |
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及時的提供地震效益可以到達14秒的預警海嘯到達30分鐘的運行那如果說我們可以配合我們的防災體系快速的應變以及防災訓練等等可以讓海欖的確是可以發揮中效那目前呢我們 |
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就目前進行的進度來看已經在台銀進行公告的程序了預計6月初就可以完成公告做完招標的順順程序如果這樣子的話我們有機會在今年的第三季第四季就可以完成決標 |
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在潛在廠商部分的話我們目前已經有潛在廠商有醫院投標同時基本上也獲得初步市場的規格跟價格的評估所以我們對這個案子目前的執行情況還是以樂觀的情況來看 |
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所以請委員能夠支持氣象署在完成這件事情的最後一哩度那氣象署也會持續的努力希望說這個案子能夠順利來達成那委員也有提到說 |
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氣象署在新興計畫在今年度有編列比較多的預算在115年編列了3億2500萬那這個預算主要是氣象署長年以來在推動氣象預報還有監測還有對外服務的一個貫穿性的系統建置系統那目前已經進入到做到第七期 |
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那這個預算主要是要結合氣象署的資料以及氣象署的中間的資訊系統服務那同時也會把這個服務透過最後一路傳送給民眾那這件事情 |
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最近幾年也發生了一些轉變在AI的模型發展之下我們現在也正在優化我們的AI的系統希望說這個計畫在完成的時候可以讓我們現在天氣預報服務以2.5公里的網格將來能夠進化到1公里的網格 |
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那現在的預報目前大概是以三小時更新的逐時預報我們會把它變成每小時更新所以期待將來我們的預報跟預警能力能夠透過這個計畫來貫穿氣象署的監測 |
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還有高速電腦AI的賦能同時把最後一爐對外服務能夠做得更好這個是這個計畫主要的工作項目那同時呢我們在做這一些過程裡面我們在AI部分在氣象應用其實過去幾年除了說我們在用的大型語言模型之外在氣象應用其實進步還蠻多的以過去我們第六代的系統主要呢 |
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原來是只有CPU第五代到第六代的時候我們多建構了兩Peta Flow的GPU那做GPU在去年就發揮了效應像去年的颱風的預報有一些都已經轉到GPU裡面來也讓我們在去年的颱風的路徑預報24小時的預報呢已經小於60公里現在大概是57公里58公里應該比歐美日甚至中國預報的 |
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路徑的預報準確度還來得高那由於呢在未來我們期待天氣的預報能夠更精準的期待之下呢我們也快速的跟政府提出了支持希望我們能夠建構出我們更快速的高速電腦出來所以我們在114年到112年這段時間提供了 |
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提出了一些高速電腦的建置計畫就目前來看的話我們這個計畫雖然說執行率有點偏低主要的原因是因為我們在去年評估目前AI進步的環境之下我們的GPU的耗能跟散熱以及樓梯板承重都大幅提升的情形之下我們也做了調整機房機電設施的一些功能 |
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也因為這樣子所以造成我們的在執行的時候有稍微延後了一年不過這個計畫我們目前已經修正通過我們期待在今年我們在新竹所建立的高速電腦的機房能夠順利的發包出去那麼預計明年大概就可以建構50%到後年就可以正式的營運這個是我們在高速電腦有關於執行計畫比較偏落後的地方 |
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目前進度都依據我們休息計畫逐漸的趕上來那這一些呢都是為了要提供我們更完善的氣象服務那氣象服務其實在被前面的這些氣象站的建設對我們來講也很重要所以呢不管是在農業的應用或者是加拿大綠能的應用我們都會努力的去改善這一些資料的 |
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資料的應用部分那有關於氣象雷達站也是我們很重要的一個措施所以我們將來呢在建構金門跟馬祖氣象站的過程裡面我們在不管是在選地或者是現在的一些基礎設計其實目前都有按照原來的進度在執行那氣象署在這一方面呢也是必須要努力去做的所以整個天氣預報的過程不管是資料的建構包含了氣象雷達還有地面的觀測在 |
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電腦算力 不管是在高速電腦或CPU的建置以及將來的跨能服務的這一塊人才培育在這一邊呢 在這些計畫裡面都是協助我們在往前走的一個很大的經費的來源所以也懇請委員能夠支持 謝謝好 謝謝 各位要有意見嗎 輪到委員然後再黃建豪召委 |
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謝謝主席沒有 氣象署再說明一下因為你剛剛說了這個部分剛剛請教你們針對於我這邊提的第六案22.5億的這個今年編的3.25億你特別講了非常多的硬體我再跟你確認一下就包括高速電腦這個非常重大的建設我們都非常支持所以你的意思就是說我們像這樣的高端的硬體的建設沒有編在其他資本門就是因為你這是一個計畫你是 |
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確定喔就是所有的高速電腦就是在這個預算裡面還是另有資本門包括很多的雷達相關的聽起來有些都是硬體資本門的一個建設那你的意思說把它通通灌在這裡面我再確認是還是不是第二個是現在總預算22.5億那你就直接說明一下硬體的構置跟軟體的一個服務大概比例是多少謝謝 |
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請黃建豪 趙偉好 謝謝趙偉其實就是其實我跟魯敏哲偉有一樣的疑問因為我在第八跟第十一案你們都在氣象科技研究發展裡面來編相關的高速電腦的運算的這個計畫那同樣的其實我們當然支持嘛不然怎麼預算會通過那現在是問執行率的問題因為在你們在我在第十一案裡面指出來說你們在去年的執行率這麼低那原因到底是什麼那是業務費的部分執行率很低那所以業務費為什麼會執行率會這麼低 |
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然後再來是你們這個設備你們把這個高速電腦我放在第八案裡面你們是把高速電腦的建置這個不能放在資本門嗎那業務費我在第十案的業務費的支出到底又是什麼內容因為其實你們是把它框在一個氣象科技研究要發展整體計畫是22億多那22億多裡面到底是你們資本門編列多少 |
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要拿來買電腦然後你的業務費執行為什麼只有13點多到去年8月的時候只有13點多那你到去年到底執行多少然後我今年第二期繼續給你的話那你的執行率能夠追上來嗎這是第一個問題然後再來第二個問題是說剛剛提到那個海底電纜的部分當然剛剛提到說 |
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主要你要說可能是因為前面的物價上漲啦因為戰爭等等的好沒關係那你現在看起來很像是減相發包欸如果你本來要抓到真正的預測預警機制你是要坐800公里6座車站但你現在減成200公里3座車站那它的效果它預警的功能會不會因此受到影響 |
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那你的問題是就發放不出去還是價格代替還是什麼原因我覺得這個部分我覺得還是要清楚跟國人說明今天不是錢的問題今天是安全的問題你本來預計在800座6個車站才能夠完整的監測到可能會地震可能會有海嘯那你現在只剩下200公里跟山東車站是錢不夠所以你減降還是什麼原因發生你覺得這樣就夠了好不好以上謝謝 |
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那是不是先針對海嵐的問題來看那海嵐原來是800公里然後比較多的節點可是因為就目前的情勢來看的話這個價格 |
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廠商報價報進來價格沒辦法去滿足這樣子所以後來在一百一十一百二我們在我們我們後來在一百一十二年一百一十三年左右我們就做了調整把它調整回來到兩百兩百公里然後三個那 |
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我們也召集了國內的專家來審慎這件事情那你這樣子的經費呢來大概是20億左右的經費來實施這樣子的計畫是可行的那可是後來又沒辦法做了其實我們在執行的時候其實在合作廠商 |
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部分呢他們把他們的一些相關的一些架構面的東西做了調整所以他要的金額可能又比較多那同時呢在南海的這一塊的情勢他們也顧慮到可能會有影響到他們將來施作的情況 |
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所以這些部分在那個情境之下造成了第二次的修正計畫幾次的流標一直累積到有12次的流標這種情況不過目前的情況來看的話呢在我們跟潛在廠商在討論的時候呢目前這一些狀況其實都可以克服所以我們才想說目前這個第三次的修正案院裡面通過我們努力來執行這件事情那有關於在算力算力跟 |
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資料治理的部分的話呢主要在算力部分我們是期待說將來能夠建築在新竹有一個機閥能夠出來所以我們爭取到高速電腦這樣子的運算那這一部分主要是硬體那軟體的開發呢是在我們的氣象風險數位治理以及跨域應用這支計畫也就是今年的新興計畫這一部分的話主要是在建構軟體應用的部分在硬體部分相對資本本相對是比較少的 |
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所以我們主要在整個氣象資訊跟防災資訊的應用我們在硬體跟算力還有軟體的開發中間有一些區隔所以從我們的計畫上面來看的話我們的數位風險自由跨越就主要是在軟體的開發以及系統的整合 |
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那在算力部分的話我們是在數字天氣預報高速電腦建設計畫裡面來完成這件事情所以中間的在軟體跟硬體是有一些區隔面是在這個地方跟委員報告 |
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那實現率的部分其實我們在建構高速電腦的時候在去年是第一年不過第一年我們在建構的時候主要是在這個以前是用在土建跟基建這一部分那我們原來在設計這一塊的時候其實是在前幾年設計的那時候GPU還沒有這麼夯AI能力還沒有這麼強 |
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所以我們去年在執行的時候我們在跟整個整體AI設計跟GPU規劃的時候我們就發現到不管是耗能啊或者是散熱啊或者是地板承受度都跟原來的設計會不大一樣所以我們也跟高速電腦中心去討論去合作後來我們就覺得說建立說我們這個機房的建構呢這些土建跟基建呢必須要做有些調整所以我們氣象署就做一個變更計畫 |
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那所以變更計畫就前面的執行率竟然當然就是不會到達那麼高就用保留的方式保留到今年跟明年來陸續的來執行這些事情所以因為這樣子所以在執行率上相對做比較低這一部分呢我們會持續的在檢討來改進 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 各位委員我們各位委員都有提動結案那我們第一個我們請氣象署就各位委員提的剛剛所關心的項目領委書面資料要詳細來做說明各位委員 那我們的第一幕啦我們第一幕的氣象科技研究發展我們因為各位委員提的動結數目不大一致我們動結五千萬好不好 |
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平均大概也差不多這樣子啦那我們就凍結五千萬一個月內一個月內可以齁一個月內體育輸入報告體育輸入報告死活凍結好 謝謝好 各位委員那我們現在繼續看接下來齁我們第三幕的氣象測報我們合併處理26案到31案 |
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各位委員有意見嗎?好線上數了第26到31案提案委員在場的有徐祐愷委員 李昆哲委員徐祐愷委員請 |
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我提出第27案那針對我們氣象組提出一個氣象預報的一個高速電腦的一個建置的一個計畫高達3億多那目前推動到第6代 |
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預計是這個要這個能夠大幅提升這個使用的一個基準但是仍低於這個國際主要的氣象中心的一個水準那加上我們現在颱風季的使用率接近飽和研發空間有限那我想說這部分是不是應該要持續加強推動第七代的計畫從這個延續到122年那分三階段建置那這部分我想 |
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我們應該要求氣象署應該加快這個建制的這個速度還有控管這個進度確保第七項計畫能夠順利延伸所以我提案凍結兩千萬那提出書面報告之後 使得凍之好 謝謝好 謝謝 請陳清龍委員好 謝謝主席有關於我在這個氣象預報局颱風車報這邊那我提出這個三減一百萬元的一個預算 |
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那當然最主要當初是依據我們氣象署這邊的一個各個社群平台的一個整合的一個問題那經過這個中央氣象署的一個這個報告那我這個3.1百萬我可以這個不刪啦但是凍結的部分還是主張凍結20個 |
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20%那可以提出專案報告改成書面報告好 以上好 我們請李君哲委員針對第28案我們對氣象預報有編列預算是2億9065萬元那它主要的用途是要建置現代化的氣象觀測 |
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提升氣象的一些觀測氣象衛星的接收還有海象的觀測等等的設施它的效能以及技術的運用等等我看我們現在國內大型的活動 |
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越來越多那常常有這種大量人潮的集中那時間長或者是像粉紅草堡這種路線不固定的跨區域等等的這種特性那因此體溫 |
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體溫跟濕度的身體狀況管理就非常重要那一旦遇到突發的天氣變化除了影響活動的品質那對民眾的身體健康的安全也有可能造成風險 |
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我看目前氣象署所提供的氣象服務其實是有三種類型第一種是定點的觀測第二是移動的觀測第三是水行的觀測那水行觀測在這次粉紅超跑也有在做運用那氣象服務目前雖然是有開放主辦方可以申請 |
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但是一般的民眾在提供民眾獲得氣象情報的這些應用應該更積極的提供服務讓參與活動的民眾可以簡便快速的獲得這些氣象的資訊所以我提議凍結100萬一個月內要就各類可申請的氣象服務如何提供簡易便民的接收方式提出書面報告解凍以上 |
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好謝謝我們請季教授說明好謝謝委員的提點那有關於FB的部分的整合很感謝陳委員的提點的確我們有一些FB效率並不是那麼好說適當的整合是一個非常非常好的一個措施不過因為像抱天氣抱天文等等有一些各有他們的粉絲 |
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的屬性所以這一部分我們會努力持續的來經營那有關於我們的第七代電腦的建置也謝謝委員的提點其實我們現在正在採購第七代電腦希望說能夠以現在AI為主的GPU |
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所以我們希望說我們明年能夠順利的採購增加我們的3PETA的GPU的能量出來這對我們在發展的AI跟AI做台灣的路徑預報有很大的幫助謝謝我們的提案我們會努力來執行另外在行動氣象儀的部分的推廣我是覺得今年我們也做一個新的嘗試那委員的建議我們會來規劃 |
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讓這一個隨行的這種觀測儀器將來能夠有更大的發揮空間能夠接到氣象服務的最後一體度謝謝好 謝謝好 各位委員那我們來處理預算 |
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就各委員所提的凍結案我們第三部的氣象撤報我們就凍結兩千萬那請氣象署一個月內提出報告 否則都解凍可以喔是 謝謝好謝謝各委員接下來我們看第32案開始的主決議好 第32案各委員有意見嗎 |
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好沒有 我們就通過33案 陸委員33案可以嗎33案可不可以改為書面報告提案33案 向委員會提出書面報告陸委員這樣可以啦33案提案委員 李明哲委員 |
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好那我們就修正修正通過 議34案 信仰主席委員註冊辦理好那我們就通過35案 註冊辦理好我們就召喚通過36案 註冊辦理我們通過37案 註冊辦理 |
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好 我們通過38案 正在辦理通過39案 建立改為書面報告提案好 我們建立改為書面報告三個月內提起舉行與書面報告好 我們修正通過40案是不是也建立改為書面報告改為書面報告好 邱委員同意中案報告改書面報告好 謝謝邱委員那我們就修正通過第41案 |
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是不是有建議改為書面報告是提案好 改為書面報告各位有沒有意見沒有的話我們修正通過第四十二案好 通過好 謝謝我們謝謝機長署好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 我們休息五分鐘接下來請觀光署 |
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響鐘 |
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等一下再給你 |
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8535.993 |
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我們進去對不對然後就沒辦法因為人太多 |
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中斷旅程後面的對 應該是都可以做 |
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我來訓練一下細節我訓練一下麻煩你會不會放好我請 |
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7月 |
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谢谢大家 |
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喔喔喔 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好 那我們現在開始開會我們先來介紹今天在場列席的我們介紹列席的人員我們首先是公關署的陳玉秀署長還有我們公關署主計事的劉政賢主任好 |
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我們現在開始來進行公共組合預算審查各位委員我們現在看第一案第一案體驗委員不在那第一案我們就不處理我們看第二到三案我們邊桿處理稅率的部分各位有沒有意見我們體驗委員在場有沒有意見 |
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我們的意見都已經寫在這邊了應該是請觀光署這邊要說明吧 |
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好 你有請到說明嗎對啊 我剛就在講說請官方署說明你告訴我一下 我就請到說明好 謝謝好 來第一個 稅入的這個部分最主要向法院的部分最主要是向旅行社因為都是行前的 臨時檢約或者是變更行程因為這樣子被罰嘛那我們預算編列是830萬陳靜良委員第二幕 已經 |
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執行進度就是向右向南幾個方案不是第二案第三案第二案第三案資訊管理的部分我們是希望說因為它多數都是屬於署本部還有像所屬機關的一般行政的資訊費用那我們是希望說有沒有可能是凍結5%三個月內提出書面報告 |
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好謝謝好各位還有意見嗎我們就凍結5%我們很客氣了就凍結幾%我沒有什麼意見但是你要跟我說明說像我們提的這個是當初的個資外洩這種內部資料被公開上網 |
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這個要解決嗎 要怎麼解決 這個還是要給我的說法 給民眾一個說法因為這個部分是屬於在屬本部在使用的那像一般的業界 如果他們的資訊安全的部分因為資訊安全基本上涉及到的範圍還蠻多的比如說有人員的資安意識流程 還有技術面的部分 |
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那這個部分基本上公安署應該一直都在輔導業者那再加上是說因為資安的問題大家會很多的破口包含像人員的這種整個他的作業流程的部分所以就是會一直 |
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挑戰新的項目那這個部分現在目前經過這幾次我覺得旅行社或者是觀光產業的大家已經有這樣的意識那只是還是要持續的來推進那我們自己相關的課程也會持續的來相關的辦理所以希望說這個部分純粹是以屬本部自己同仁上班的需要為主希望可以爭取保留預算 |
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好 謝謝各位委員我們來處理預算然後我們就一般行政我們就凍結五八讓議委員提案的三個月內提議書面報告 審核動之謝謝謝謝 我們各位委員我們繼續看四到四十三案觀光業務我們變案處理好 各位委員有意見嗎好 請徐副委員 |
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謝主席我提出第七案到第十案那第七案是有鑒於這個國內這個旅宿房價過高那整體這個旅宿業的增幅高達這個17.37% |
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那也造成這個高於一般的物價指數也造成民眾對於選擇國旅選擇區旅行的一個原因我想這部分觀光署也應該針對這個高房價的一個政策提出檢討機制所以經過溝通我提出這個凍結一千萬提出書面報告時的凍資 |
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那第八案有介於這個國際旅客來台旅遊大多集中在雙北那我想對於這個非六都的這個觀光業也影響甚巨所以未來如何適當引導國際遊客到非六都的區域讓觀光居民發展這部分經過溝通一樣凍結一千萬提出書面報告時的凍資 |
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那第九案有鑑於現在旅宿業缺工的情形非常嚴重那根據目前的估計大概缺工人數高達五千到六千人那未來針對這樣的一個服務的一個項目的跟招募的一個狀況我想是也必須是觀光署要面對一個很重要的一個議題那也未來應該提出一個解決一個對策那一樣提出凍結一千萬那請提出書面報告時的動之 |
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9123.807 |
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那第十案針對觀光署的這個來臺旅客人數訂定的部分我想觀光署也應該要逐步在檢討那尤其我們許多的這個對外的一個旅客的人數逐點的下降我想這個部分應該是要檢討那最近針對有這個旅展甚至有宣傳大陸團來臺灣的一個情勢我想這部分應該觀光署要密切注意 |
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那我想尤其是針對這個如何吸引國際旅客來台的措施我想也應該要主動提出一個因應措施那一樣提出凍結一千萬提出書面報告謝謝好謝謝我們請恰羅華委員再來請李光澤委員這邊是陳勛榮召委他提出的第四案主要是針對我國的觀光那 |
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觀光署編列的是四十一億八千六百六十八萬那主要是要推動我國的觀光資源要爭取旅客來台觀光賴總統也有提出觀光國家隊要讓二零二三年國內的觀光產值破造可是呢外國來台的旅客二零二四年二零五五年都沒有達到原定的年度目標而且連續兩年都多次下修二零二四年 |
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的時候1200萬下修是1000萬最後實際的人次是786萬那 |
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召委這邊也有提出那像是我國女的痛點像是景點缺乏特色還有住宿太貴物價高漲的問題那原先是要提出這邊是要預算原本要刪除的預算是一億元那這邊經過經過同意之後那這邊刪減五百萬元那也同樣的請觀光署在提出報告之後取得動之謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們請李坤澤委員坤澤委員或請萬美玲委員第十一案有關於交通部觀光署的這個預算案的第二幕就是觀光的業務編列的預算四十一億八千六百六十八萬它其實重要的工作是要爭取旅客來台灣觀光那增加我們外匯的收入那其實我們看一百一十四年度的國際旅客來台 |
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旅遊其實是不如預期那115年度1到3月的國際旅客來台的人數雖然比114年度的同期略有增長但是成長的幅度我們認為是還有進步的一個空間 |
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那我認為觀光署應該要提出如何促進國際旅客來台提出實際的作為而且針對不同區域國家的特性提出因應的加強作為那我提議是要凍結 |
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預算一千萬三個月內就如何促進國際旅客來台以及不同國家的因應加強作為像交通委員會提出書面報告後解凍那在這邊我等一下要請署長來說明雖然是三個月內提出書面報告也應該在 |
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審查觀光署預算的時候提出要如何增進國際旅客的座位要提出簡單的一個說明我們知道行政院有核定相關的方案就是要透過觀光品牌來吸引全球的一個旅客環島的亮點還有跨域的一個整合還有智慧景區的 |
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價值的一個升級的這樣的一個策略這有四大策略你是不是簡單說明一下讓我們作為審核預算的一個參考以上好 謝謝我們請萬美玲委員然後再請洪孟楷委員 |
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好 謝謝昭偉那本席的是第五案第五案其實跟上述大家提的案子是一樣的問題也就是說我們看到觀光署其實提出了這個所謂的台灣觀光邁向2025方案那這個方案是110年到114年但是我們看到在這個所有的報表上面看到來台旅客人次可以說是評效績效都不好那我們看到110年到114年 |
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因為本席有附了一個表我們可以看到這個預期的目標值大概都只有七成左右那當然就是國外的觀光旅遊人次來台這個評估一直都不好有很多的原因那數字上面呈現的這個數字背後有很多的因素跟問題點那我覺得觀光署應該要把這些問題點把它找出來然後根據這些問題點找出解決的辦法 |
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所以如果說在2025的這個方案當中我們看到年齡的這個這個績效都不好那我們要怎麼樣去達成說觀光署要在2030年呢還要再推所謂的來台旅客的人士能夠達到一個目標值我想本期抱很大的一個問號所以呢所以我現在寫的是希望能夠凍結這個預算10%不過等一下我想大家就一起來處理不過我想交通部觀光署要來做這個專案報告然後找出問題點找出解決的方法 |
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那我覺得才可以動之那至於這個解凍多少這個預算等一下由大家來討論我都可以接受 以上好 謝謝翁委員接下來請洪孟楷委員好 稍微感謝第二幕我想是觀光署重中之重的預算那我也希望聽一下觀光署2024年當時其實每年我們針對觀光都有訂KPI都有訂目標值 |
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但好像這兩年不敢訂了或是訂了之後就是一直在修正一直在下修那現在總是明年也要立一個目標跟方向嘛是不是請署長等一下也跟我們國人說明一下是說那明年你預計要達到多少的觀光旅次2024年有列出1200萬那就沒有達標2025年我記得那時候也說要突破千萬到最後現在沒有達標那2026年呢總是要 |
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能力越強責任越大嘛一樣嘛 預算越多你目標也要讓我們知道是說那你到底要達成多少目標我想這是不分朝野藍綠委員我們都希望能夠聽到觀光署你的雄心壯志在哪邊那另外本節第37案 |
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這個部分我也拜託觀光署因為之前我們有討論過觀光發展條例當時我們說是不是能夠把觀光工廠或是觀光商圈等等也列入當時觀光署跟我們的回覆是說不行啊如果這個列入的話那觀光夜市要不要也列入什麼要不要也列入我也從善如流我也認為是說業務本質應該要回歸所以我沒有堅持說一定要列入可是 |
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我們各部會不要各司其職就是說我們的觀光很多的商圈其實也是帶動觀光的一環那但是現在我們很多的補貼會變成是都是用這種不管是悠遊卡一卡通等等的這種補貼可是我們很多的商圈其實它是沒有這些讀卡機沒有這個相關設備 |
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那你變成是說你給他這一些點數給他這一些這個加碼金但他沒有辦法用在實質的商圈上那難免你就變成是到最後是變什麼都民眾拿到這個點數他可能他就去百貨公司 |
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他可能他要去一個比較大的他沒有辦法直接落實到真的商圈內部所以我才會說跟經濟部應該要去做一個協調討論到底能不能落實在一般店家裡面最基本也可以有這些讀卡機的運用讓你的補貼讓你的加碼是可以落實到我們一般的商店也都可以接收他有沒有辦法爭取到消費者那是他的本事但你不能連工具都不給他讓他連要獲取那個加碼金都沒有辦法 |
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所以37條37案的部分我覺得主要講的是這個部分要整合所以這兩案等一下也請這個署長特別說明一下以上謝謝好謝謝我們請黃建豪召委好謝謝召委我想提的主要是針對第38案其他是凍結那38案我提的是三減案這個三減案是什麼呢這個放在獎補助費對特種金的補助國際標竿演唱會的支持方案 |
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那這演唱會支持方案我們了解了一下它到底要做什麼作用總共有三億元那這三億元我們據我們目前所了解的它是要幫忙宣傳年底會有一些知名團體可能就是BTS之類的來台灣辦演唱會宣傳的對象是海外是對國際來宣傳說年底會有這樣的團體來台灣表演歡迎大家來台灣之類的 |
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可是我們講真的這種商業演唱會不管是BTS或是其他的韓團或是全球性知名的樂團他們來台灣表演他們本來就自帶流量他們本來就會自己做形象相關宣傳所以我們今天花這個三億元到底效益在哪裡到底是為了什麼事情而宣傳我一開始以為這個方案是說我補助各地方政府三億元那大家我肯定補助你這邊五千萬那邊一億你來辦演唱會來邀請大家來台灣表演來台灣帶動觀光不是 |
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是已經確定要辦演唱會了然後我們政府在幫忙宣傳說有演唱會要來喔 大家可以來可是問題是這演唱會最近很有名的它本來票價就秒殺了所以根本沒有宣傳的就是沒有政府出來宣傳的必要性你宣傳的TEA是誰你要對誰宣傳那他如果買得到票他就會來啦那他本來票就已經賣光了所以你現在宣傳你放那三億元出去我們就講真的啦如果BTS你給他三億元那多開五場 |
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然後大家可能就接受可是不是這樣子三億人說你對本來叫來台灣的宣傳說BTS要來或是誰要來所以還你再來這個效益我是覺得很奇怪啦所以我是提三請下的原因在這裡那再講真的其他國家也並不是說 |
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演唱會經濟是很好的一個方式很多國家也這麼做新加坡就說給你看過了嘛新加坡他是直接買斷泰勒斯東大亞表演權你不能去其他國家表演你泰勒斯只能在我新加坡表演所以一次三十萬人跑去新加坡登記註冊兩千多萬人所以新加坡政府手上有這麼多觀光客資訊那我們賺了這個三億元你撒出去之後請問一下我們可以拿回多少的data有多少觀光客有多少歌迷 |
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你手上會有資料它未來要宣傳的時候你可以找到正確的體驗你找不到啊你就是全出去之後就沒有回來了所以我要問的就是說今天這個錢並不是不讓你行銷可是行銷之後要做什麼用你行銷的對象是誰如果都講不清楚那當然只能刪掉嘛以上 謝謝 |
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感謝我們請盧明哲委謝謝主席在這個階段有提第28案跟第49案第28案主要針對於我們觀光署旅館民宿管理跟輔導管理跟輔導最主要是對於相關的業者有不好的部分我們與其介入管理去糾正對於他盡好的部分我們透過輔導措施讓他的一個生意進行是更好這應該是一體的兩面但我們看到 |
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這幾年各地也傳出很多大家在住宿方面覺得住宿費飆漲我想看到很多的新聞都有提到雖然不是全面但是我覺得對觀光署在整個管理一個標的造成整個台灣觀光產業很多人要去訂房的時候可能有一點畏懼這個部分我覺得是非常不好的 |
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那另外一方面呢也有一些很多無預警被取消的相關的一些訂房那我們有特別請教觀光署其實觀光署你給我們一個答案是說如果惡意棄單的話當然會進行我們如果業者的一個開罰不過如果平台業者的話你們就沒有辦法我覺得這個以前在數位部還沒成立之前他也是這樣說對FB對什麼他也沒辦法 |
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現在它都有法可管因為你不得不去面對這個問題因為整個旅遊的形態不管是國內國外都完全改變了以前八成跟團現在八成自由行八成都是自己訂的所以透過平台業者這個的部分對於這個旅館民宿這個管理輔導的部分我覺得應該提出更具體的一個措施所以我這個部分提出來是簡列100萬元 |
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那第二個是第49案49案的部分之前在我質詢的時候也特別跟觀光署也有提出我的建議也就是說我們桃園市是國家風景區13不管的地帶因為我們全國有13個國家風景區但是桃園跟少數部分縣市是完全沒有列入我們看到在今年度的預算 |
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國家風景區開發與管理的37億.5的預算全部分給這13個國家風景區如果沒有列入的縣市你就看在旁邊流口水一毛也沒有這個部分我特別透過執訊有提出那我在這裡再次再次的一個建議我這邊 |
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這個凍結五千萬主要目的啊我們是希望像降德的桃園北橫那個風景區大家不斷說在輔導希望能夠快點成立這個過程我們是希望在這個國家風景區裡面由鄰近的風景區來做一個預算的輔導也有鄰近的風景區能夠分配預算的時候也能夠給這些沒有邊路的縣市能夠預算來協助或者是你在其他的預算 |
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在針對於沒有另外一個國家風景區的這個縣市來予以協助我覺得這個部分是我們提出一個最重要的一個目標我們希望 觀光署能給明確的答案 謝謝好 謝謝不過 那位陸委員因為我們現在只處理第二幕我們先處理第二幕 處理到43案 |
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您剛發言的是第三幕第三幕的吳委員這個部分待會再請觀光署來回答我們現在就請觀光署第2幕的觀光業務來做說明 |
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主席還有各位委員大家很關心國際觀光的這個部分然後針對像坤澤委員特別提到說我們的四大策略那目前其實像我們的全球宣傳多元併進多元影客這幾年基本上成績是看到了現在確實像歐美人士跟過去比較少來台灣的這塊確實是看到了那這個事情是然後另外是每個市場都有它適合的像觀光代言人 |
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像我們今年四月份呢邀請了像越南的代言人來到我們的高雄內門吃飯的那個的市場在市場的反應是非常好的就是說透過這種代言人來到台灣的主題性的旅遊方式我覺得慢慢整個成效是看到了當然我們的努力還是要持續加強因為整個大環境真的變化很快 |
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那另外是分眾行銷跟整合佈局我們這幾個月基本上一直在跟很多的單位包含像郵輪還有像我們的駐外會議會在針對每個不同的市場它的每一個狀況的改變我們都在做這樣子跟署本部這邊做對應的準備所以這塊的部分然後另外是我們觀察到我們為什麼今年擴大就是雙輪驅動會去提所謂的重遊課 |
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那最主要是我們觀察我們兩三年內的重流率大概是五十幾趴左右我們認為不夠所以我們希望說增加這塊的部分所以今年的重點放在重流課希望延長停留跟深度的消費 |
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那另外是在像我們現在的我們的淘機真的就是來過境的非常的多所以我們也提供了像有消費券啊高鐵買一送一啦還有像跨鴻的轉行這塊的部分 |
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目前看起來整個的狀況都比過去再好那今年度的主要的人數就是來台旅客的目標我們希望追求就是每年固定9%的成長所以去年是857萬今年我們的目標是希望930萬我相信委員們都知道大家剛剛提到了目前觀光的困境不然景點重複啦跟設施老舊等等其他都是結構性的問題 |
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其實結構性的問題要馬上一年之間改變是不容易的所以我們希望做質量並進希望在整個服務品質跟觀光環境的準備工作都一定要來進行 |
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所以這個部分是我們還持續在繼續要努力的那江浩委員特別提到那個就是3億支持那個國際其實台灣不是我們不是沒有看到新加坡的案例但是呢台灣的模式很難走新加坡的案例因為我們的預算結構預算的模式不太一樣 |
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我們去年其實因為我自己管過場域我很清楚要辦大型的捷徑活動沒有兩年前先敲場地是不太可能的但是兩年前的狀況我的預算在哪裡我不知道所以我們只能就借力使力 |
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就是針對我們去年接觸的時候是想知道說如果他有意思想來的這種一起合作這種方式但是以到目前為止我們認為說我們就直接已經選定跟知名的要來那這種我們希望說增加停留的等於是我們的策略上是借力使力第二個是增加留宿跟停留台灣的時間第三個是如果他能在台灣停留時間增加在台灣我說明星 |
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它就會創造未來跟著明星來台灣旅遊的模式那這件事情其實市場的瞬息萬變我們過去在整個演唱會經濟其實我們的經驗也差不多 |
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这几年才是比较明显的所以我们也希望说委员们支持我们今年这样一个做法希望能找到新的模式来行销台湾那这样的状况呢在国际透过我们16个驻外点也可以去做宣传同时可以让全球知道台湾是有具备办国际性活动的这个条件和能力的那针对鲁明哲委员跟邱若华老委员一直很关心我们北橫的这件事情 |
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我們現在是這樣子就是說我相信程旭過去也跟委員報告過那我們現在是約了5月27號跟原住民委員會來商量到底如何讓這件事情可以往前推進那因為他還是得要讓跟原住民都完成最難他們同意我們才往前走嘛 |
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那這塊如果跟原住民委員會商量可以再往前我們就會找這三個跨這三個單位的地方政府也再來討論一下這是避免還是得要由主行政單位就是縣市提出來因為我們也避免全員監裁判但是我們願意一起來協力看看怎麼來前進那針對旅宿或者電子支付的狀況是這樣電子支付我們跟金管會跟經濟部其實有做過商量 |
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其實他的重點不在於說他能不能普及而是業者有時候是很怕這件事情跟繳稅掛鉤所以輔導呢金管會跟經濟部都很認認地在做推動在做輔導其實也都給予滿不錯的恩惠 |
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那公安署這邊呢會在幾個13個管理處我們盡量做像獎勵的方式我們未來有些的比如說我們商圈的我們觀光圈的活動啦或者是說到國外參展啦或者是我們自己相關的一些希望說以有電子支付的為優先我們來獎勵他們來帶動他們等於是說你開始做電子支付呢我們會把商機帶給你這個部分也是我們相關的專程那旅宿的部分呢 |
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因為現在台灣的旅遊模式大家就是全部太過集中在週末那最近我們也先後說跟各地方政府也商量一下如何讓可能有些的活動呢要辦在中間因為全部大家辦在週末的時候呢就是那個時間接待能力也有限就全部就是以價格來漲 |
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所以這件事情我希望說未來我們開那個首長會議的時候我要跟各個行政單位來溝通有沒有強勢型的產品不管它是不是禮拜六禮拜天基本上他們都會願意來的那這個部分呢逐步逐步百分比調整有一些是在周間來辦理我相信它就會帶動一下我們周間的活動跟住宿的部分也會做一點調整這個是已經開始在跟各縣市來做這樣的溝通 |
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然後OTA平台部分我們因為軍線委員也非常關心這個事情我們有在跟OTA平台溝通第一個是OTA平台現在願意來協助我們去查出非法旅宿這個部分只要是非法我們就是說有合法旅宿的標章如果他是非法旅宿他願意配合我們讓他下架這個部分他現在是同意的那第二個是說我們對但是這些是有業務人員在台灣的這塊還可以溝通那有些是沒有的時候我們當然會去函 |
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還是要跟他們做這樣一個要求這個是大概我們先用這樣方式先來處理那再看看整個執行的狀況怎麼樣然後再跟委員做報告是不是以上先就這個部分來報告 謝謝好 謝謝好 請黃建華 趙偉好謝謝趙偉 謝謝署長說明但是聽完說明我還是沒辦法支持我想這樣講因為其實 |
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你剛提到說就是你的宣傳的你是經典叫借力使力那我就剛剛提了嘛這些歌迷他本來就因為他喜歡的團體他就會來了他本來就會來那他來了之後我的飯店有沒有折扣或是我台灣有沒有自他留下來的地方等等的這個應該是觀光組本來你的業務在其他的項目裡面做好 |
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他來台灣他好不容易來了那他要不要留下來玩他要不要在那邊消費是相關整個台灣要不要讓他留下來玩不是說你花了三億元宣傳這件事情他就會來那這個三億元我講的是說如果今天你是花三億元請 |
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買斷或是請哪個團體他來台灣表演他可以帶來大量的商機我想我們會支持可是今天不是今天他本來就要來辦售票演唱會然後你去宣傳這件事情去行銷說你剛剛提到說要讓外館去宣傳可是 |
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核心問題是說那請問一下誰需要知道這件事情不就是這些像比如說這些韓團或這些搖滾樂團他們的經紀公司嗎那這個事情不是本來外館他去跟他講跟他溝通跟他知道去去去去demo這件事情他們就會知道了你去花三億元宣傳說台灣可以辦演唱會你的目的在哪裡就是說你要對誰宣傳這件事情 |
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因為今天歌迷他要來他是看樂團看韓團看哪些團體他來台灣他在全世界任何地方表演他去新加坡去越南去台灣去香港去哪裡都一樣他們去了人就去了跟你有沒有花三億是無關的所以我覺得這件事情還是要再斟酌啦如果今天沒有辦法有公司我覺得就保留送協賞好不好以上謝謝這個可以讓我再說明一下嗎不好意思來請說明 |
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委員說的是也對啦但是我們要的是說有些時候他是因為來聽演唱會他可能就是來三天就走了但是我們希望他stay longer所以我們希望說邀請跟OTA就是說我們希望這個部分讓OTA可以去綁一下這件事情讓他變成一個更長的時間的旅遊可以留在台灣的時間更久留在台灣的時間更久他的消費力就會再更長嘛 |
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這個就是最主要我們希望說借力使力因為以到現在目前為止我們預算都還無法確定的時候我們能談的合作也不是夠確定所以希望說如果願意支持我們希望今天就可以支持我們才能開始啟動做相關的作業抱歉謝謝 |
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各位委員那我們來處理預算其實觀光署我們看很多委員的發言基本上都是對觀光署就是我們的成效大家提出了一些的質疑那過去我們署由觀光局升格為署 |
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在立法院我們委員也都支持基本上就是希望觀光署有更大的一個組織彈性能夠有更好的一個成績所以對於各位委員所關心的事項我們剛剛看到有提出刪減 也有提出凍結 |
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這樣好了 各位委員如果我們就3.2千萬然後我們都凍結1億不知道大家 各位委員的意見意見如何都得保留啦 好不好趙委 這個 好我們這樣好了 趙委說要全案要保留信託結算各位有沒有意見 |
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我是覺得相關的預算對於推動觀光的業務來講是極其重要尤其是在2019疫情之後其實我們相關的預算 |
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交通委員會雖然有給予支持但是我在過去就一直覺得我們相關的預算編列還是不足那在疫情期間我們除了跟世界各國一樣對相關的業者以及相關的旅遊有優惠的補助之外其實在當時不管是韓國的 |
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觀光公社或是像日本的旅遊推動香港的機票優惠新加坡等等的這種優惠的這樣的一個加強之外他們也對他們旅遊的體質做更基本的一個改善那很可惜我們在那時候有做這樣的一個優惠的補助以及對業者的補助但是我們對於觀光升級改善體質在那個時候做得不夠 |
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所以現在我們也面臨到很多的這樣的一個問題那我還是認為公共的預算應該要給予支持這對台灣的這個公共產業旅遊產業來講是非常重要的 |
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那以這個演唱會經濟來說我想一個演唱會經濟的成型它是必須經過長久的基礎的建設以及相關的行銷推動 |
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整個才能造就有天王天后天團來造成這種票房的秒殺的這種盛況它是經過很長一段時間的這樣的一個進化以高雄為例高雄在當年 |
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開始五月天的演唱會跟黃色小鴨引起熱潮之後不管是在交通的運輸還有相關活動的行銷以及跟國外人員的接觸相關的這樣的一個 |
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演唱會或大型活動是經過了將近20年的這樣的一個努力所以說我們也希望不管是桃園或是台中也經由高雄過去的經驗來作為演唱會或大型活動 |
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的一個重要的地方所以這個3億的經費如果刪掉1億凍結2億這是讓重要的這樣一個都會不管是未來舉辦演唱會或是大型活動喪失了一個很重要的先機那這個署長也應該跟交通委員會各個委員來說明我們相關 |
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這樣的一個演唱會相關的這樣一個行銷打下基礎重要的用途到底是要怎樣來做處理讓委員可以來支持那其實相關的這樣的一個演唱會經濟是很多年的一個努力用很大的資源不過黃建豪召委剛才提到 |
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有一點是非常重要的我也非常認同就是說演唱會經濟不是來看演唱會而已是演唱會經濟它可以提前到晚一點走然後透過這樣一個演唱會或大型活動所帶來整體的區域旅遊的一個附加價值這是非常重要的 |
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這個都是觀光署在提到這個預算或是未來的運用以及未來的一個觀光旅遊的推展黃建豪委員講的這個就是重點那希望你們去做一個簡單有力的說明以上好 這個請巡迴委員 |
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謝謝召委我想後疫情時代的這個旅遊模式的一個轉變那從過去的一個景點的一個觀光旅遊那我想已經推展到所謂的一個體驗型的一個旅遊那尤其從高雄經驗的這個演唱會的一個經驗我們可以發現帶來非常龐大的一個商機那尤其這個最新不是只有臺灣人甚至連日韓很多的這個最新族都會來其實對我們臺灣的觀光產業一定有一定的相對的注意 |
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那我非常支持我們李昆哲委員的一個看法那當然我想剛剛黃敬堯召委提到的部分我也贊成說其實未來如果說觀光署針對這樣大型演唱會在舉辦的時候應該也可以事先跟我們地方政府或我們相關的這些風雲慾管理處 |
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怎麼樣再增加這些加值性的一些觀光的一些服務的項目讓大家來不要兩天一晚甚至可以三天兩夜五天四夜更好那如果增加這樣的一個觀光消費的一個誘因那我也支持說這個觀光預算應該是要再增加不然要讓你們做事又不讓你們糧草也不好啦那尤其我想這個推展觀光已經非常不易了應該要支持觀光預算然後讓我們的觀光產業更加的發展謝謝 |
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其實在這個案子裡面它是一個強化國際觀光動能方案裡面它有四個指項目其中一條項目就是這個國際標竿性演唱會支持方案那其他三條都是 |
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就是剛剛其實蘇珊剛剛講要怎麼留客要怎麼讓人家願意留下來消費所以那三個基金的部分那三個預算我是完全沒有動我連凍結都沒有凍結我也沒有要刪啦但是我今天講的是說因為這個國際表演唱會製程方案我們問了那包含新聞上也披露了嘛他的做法是說針對今年第四季要來台的大型場館演唱的藝人透過標籤方式請藝人在社群平台上PO文他要來台灣辦演唱會 |
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他要來台灣辦演唱會這件事情不用你花錢請他PO文他應該就會PO文說我今年什麼時候要去什麼國家的什麼城市的哪個體育場辦演唱會所以我今天講的是這件事情就是說你為什麼要花錢做這個事情呢就是我沒有反對你去留客你要去補助他你要旅館給他補助你要車票給他補助你甚至機票給他補助我都沒有意見他只要願意來然後來台灣帶動消費我都可以可是我今天不懂的是說今天這個國際明星的他已經大明星了 |
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不管是泰勒斯基也好或者是剛剛講的BTS也好 其他的其他團體也好他要來台灣表演這件事情不需要我們觀光署緊上貼花再給他錢送他錢或是幫忙宣傳說他要來喔大家趕快來我覺得這是兩件事情他要來我們很歡迎那甚至你用其他場館免費用其他的旅宿方案 |
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支持他們來我覺得都OK我們在其他方案上我們提到了這個基金底下面有四個方案有留課的有很多支持方案裡面是這一個很奇怪就是為什麼我要花三億元請他幫他宣傳這件事情他本來就會自己宣傳所以我覺得這個還是如果今天講不清楚我覺得還是保留到後面去協商大家來討論謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 盧明哲委員那我就補充問一下啦其實現在都已經有答案了這個不用在那邊猜謎了因為現在剛好去年算比較完整現在是五月底 馬上就六月了只要是有一線的國際知名的這些影星或者歌星要來台灣其實現在已經八成到九成必須抵頂所以你們心裡按理說城市要辦也好要跟你身體這個基本第一個我希望你直接說好了 |
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第四季從九月開始十月開始現在到底是在哪些城市因為你這是一個支持方案簡單來講就是非常可能就是補助方案所以城市在哪裡他需要補助多少經費那你大概方向也說一下也就是說今天的不管是三億或者三億中間有多少是屬於這個支持一個方案到底落在哪個城市到底情況是如何補助什麼項目 |
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還是說其實就是你就是乾脆是補助一個城市其他做什麼你也不知道不是他潑不潑紋那所以他到底這個補助的方式你們要補助在年底哪一個部分可以直接說明好不好謝謝 |
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謝謝 觀光署要補充說明嗎這個應該不是我們現在確實跟委員提的一樣你到現在目前大家第四季大概全部都知道了那知道我們不會只選擇一個案子那目前能辦國際型的演唱會大概就是高雄跟台北 |
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就只有這兩個地方是目前是有條件的那我們不是用補助案是用採購的方式所以有我們自己的要求跟條件比如說他一定是要能完成在這裡的區域的旅遊所以我們一定要他要跟OTA的合作那細節部分我是不是請我們國際組組長來講更清楚一點各位委員好 國防署這邊做簡單的補充說明 |
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第一個當然我們在執行這個案子裡面我想我們是把國際型的演唱會當作一個宣傳的管道它是一個宣傳的管道那沒有錯就如同剛剛委員有提到說這個藝人要來他一定會跟大家說他在哪裡辦 |
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那我們的確是希望借力使力來藉由投入預算的方式來讓他擴大對台灣的介紹那這裡面我們後續要進行的方式主要是用標案的方式來進行那標案的部分當然會包含了我們希望藝人在辦這個演唱會這個訊息波的這個強度能夠變強 |
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那當然我們也理解藝人他除了吸引一般的粉絲之外當然他也會吸引到一般對這個產業或這個明星形成有注意到一般的消費群眾所以我們的確是希望透過演唱會在台灣辦理的過程透過藝人的管道來加強台灣在不同族群的這個宣傳的強度這是第一個我們要做說明的 |
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第二個在支持相關性的演唱會的這個訊息曝光的過程裡面我們當然也希望讓海外的消費者知道台灣其實不只只有觀光這個選項而已而是有其他更多的活動可以參與並且透過來參加活動的模式來停留在台灣能夠停留的更久這個消費更多我想這是我們第二個想要做的事情那第三個當然就是希望在這個標案裡面 |
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能夠結合OTA在進行相關的產品的販售的過程裡面不只是吸引粉絲能夠這個在台灣停留的更久這個在不同的地方進行消費那另外一方面也透過OTA這個宣傳管道能夠讓 |
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使用OTA這個群眾裡面也發現到說台灣也有類似的產品可以購買未來能夠以台灣當作一個它的旅遊目的地我想這個也是我們在做國際宣傳裡面我們第一次嘗試想要透過不同的管道來宣傳台灣的觀光來增強台灣的國際的知名度以上說明 |
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直接國際組了我非常有興趣因為標案都已經寫好了簡單來講就你標案那個方向不管是一個開口合約或者你有實際你們來招標那更清楚了就請問一下你現在要招標要單位是什麼是一個顧問公司還是什麼樣的公司現在你招標的是3億 |
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整個飆出去是一個開口回憶還是只針對一個案子還是這個歌星都是由你們請到底這三億到底在花什麼你剛剛講什麼有什麼禮品啊什麼東西那可能地方政府做可能他們自己都會去辦甚至歌手他自己都會帶來你到底要做到底這個三億到底要做什麼然後第二個現在已經知道目前是到底只有兩個地方嘛 |
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台北高雄大概狀況是如何會在哪裡去辦你們到底投入多少的一個經費不過你能不能講清楚現在台北高雄這個我們馬上通過的到底在哪裡辦然後大概可能性最高第二個你到底得標是什麼樣的公司他具體要做什麼他做一些禮品出來去賣還是怎麼樣這個錢根本是歌手你們請的或者怎麼樣你直接可以講清楚一下謝謝 |
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那這個鋼路委員關心的事項你們要跟路委員再做說明清楚那我們現在直接處理預算因為對第38案各位委員有非常不同的意見所以我們就第38案黃建豪召委他只對這個案子就國際標竿型演唱會支持方案這三頁的預算我們就保留送協商 |
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那其餘的公關業務我們就刪減不表辦 凍結五千萬那請公關署一個月內就剛各委員有發言要求的順便報告一個月內提出來 實在動之可不可以增加 就是說那個刪減的部分呢就是請委員同意科目自行調整好 科目可以自行調整謝謝好 各委員這樣有意見嗎沒有的話我們就這樣處理好 謝謝接下來請各位委員我們繼續看 |
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第44到57案第3目的國家風險區域開發與管理 各位有意見嗎其中第48案第56案已經改為主決議 |
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那魯明澤委員剛剛也有發言了那是不是就請公安署先回答魯明澤委員剛剛的那個詢詢是 魯委員因為一直都很關心北橫的這件事情我們現在是約了那個園民會5月27號的時候跟園民會先討論一下這件事情可以怎麼進行 |
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那這個部分後續呢如果說雙方合作上面可以的話我們會再邀請三個縣市的就是橫跨三個縣市的部分大家再來討論可以讓這件事情看看怎麼可以推進因為我們畢竟是審議單位所以說我們可以把一些相關的方法或者是怎麼樣來進行這個部分先讓委員知道那後續的狀況再跟兩位委員報告好不好 |
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好 請羅委員這樣我比較在乎就是因為你們整個觀光署的一個預算一個結構其實有蠻多在地方軟硬體的觀光的一個活動其實都在我們國家風景區我在談的是這個啦如果說假設不管桃園跟部分的縣市在十年之內謝謝你們推動它還是沒有成立一個新的國家風景區這是非常的一個可能性嘛 |
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那你不可能每年三十幾億編了十年三百多億你們這幾個完全都沒有份因為畢竟這個預算換到最後都是一個觀光的一個能量跟活動我卻不要忘記桃園就是說如果說你在國家風景區裡面所以我剛才講你們要不要研擬一個說目前已經有提案了在成立的這些縣市有一個輔導的機制是由周邊的國家風景區 |
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適當的編一些預算也能夠在這裡辦軟體的活動或者硬體的建設我覺得你這個大概就能夠解決我大部分的問題可不可以朝這個方向來去研究一下好謝謝請光組來 |
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就是說觀光署的經費過去也會支持地方政府在觀光環境的整備的工作嘛這個部分也是有的但是在跨區域的這個合作上面我們是用觀光圈的方式一起把一些活動互相辦在彼此的地方上這個目前也在推進所以說我記得我們桃園市珍珠海岸是吧那塊也是觀光署有來做支持這個項目過去也是有 |
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那今年看起來的好像覺得整個國家風水管理區的經費是有增加最主要是我們有那個北回之巔的經費是落在這裡面所以是編在他們裡面向下去執行大概是這個樣子好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝各位 我們來處理預算那我們第三幕的國家風景區開發與管理我們就凍結兩千萬那並請公務員在一個月內提出書面報告那個三個月三個月啦 三個月內提出書面報告 使得凍結 |
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好 各位委員接下來我們繼續看58案開始的主決議第58案各位委員各位委員有意見嗎公安署 58案我們希望說把一個月的部分改成三個月好 改三個月各位有沒有意見沒有的話我們照修正通過第59案也是把兩個月改為三個月好 兩個月不要裝 就是提成書面報告 |
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好三個月內第五十報告主席第五十九案是專案報告還是書面報告他改為書面報告那三個月內基準改為三個月是各位有沒有意見沒有的話我們就修正通過第六十案也是專案報告改為書面報告然後是兩個月改為三個月好這三個月內改為提出書面報告對好 修正通過第六十一案 |
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就是把書面報告兩個月改為三個月好61案修正通過改為三個月提出書面報告修正通過62案也是書面報告兩個月改為三個月好兩個月改為三個月提出書面報告照修正通過第63案也是兩個月改為三個月 |
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好 六十三案 兩個月改為三個月內提出書面報告 使得動之修正通過 六十四案遵照辦理六十四案通過 六十五案遵照辦理通過 六十六案遵照辦理通過 六十七案是書面報告改為三個月 |
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三個月內提出書面報告修正通過 六十八案改為三個月內提出書面報告六十八案修正通過六十九案通過七十案通過七十一案 |
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其實議案我們是希望說有沒有機會就是文字修正是啦 觀光署這邊雖然有希望是可以提文字修正嘛不過我這邊原本是說觀光署應該會同各地方政府建立國內旅宿房價監控與異常通報的平台 |
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主要是平台那我想先請觀光署說明違規裁罰的機制是什麼機制因為我過去也有在院會上面提到現在我國就針對旅宿價格亂象的問題希望民眾他們對目前房價就是 |
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的波動非常有意見那是希望可以透過這個平台他們能夠去申訴去反映那我這邊想先了解觀光署你們的機制是什麼什麼樣的機制好 請松明謝謝就是旅宿基本上他們本來他們的房價的最高的那個報價基本上一定要送送 |
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各機關合備嘛那這塊我們現在目前也因為大家真的很關心房價的問題所以現在各縣市只要辦大型的活動他們就加強查緝到底有沒有超過他們原本的那個報價這是第一個第二個呢第二個是什麼 |
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那個旅宿 請旅宿組組長再補充一下來 請說明我跟各位委員報告就是那個俱樂園這部分我們那天有跟辦公室來做溝通了解說那個委員這部分的關心的部分 |
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因為所以說我們就想說那個把文字就是異常通報平台改為違規裁罰機這部分就是因為目前大概一般的民眾發現這個房價這個有問題這部分他們會透過就是跟縣市政府或相關單位或消保這部分來做反應 |
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那這一塊我們會遵照委員的指示我們會跟地方政府再加強看怎麼再來處理會能夠更積極讓民眾這一部分能夠直接跟我們這部分的機制來做一個更好的反應跟回饋我這邊之所以會要求說要一個平台就像你剛才說的 |
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通常民眾遇到這樣子的爭議他們只能透過地方政府或是打1999或是消保的方式來去反映我們都是案件一件一件的來去處理為什麼我們這邊不能有一個平台就是讓民眾譬如說在演唱會期間或是在就是觀光旺季的時候一定很多這樣子的案例跟邱委員報告我其實知道你想要做的那個項目但是坦白講有難度因為它不是買房子它是賣房間每一天的動態狀況 |
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很多元所以其實署長您說的多元是多元是指說假設呢因為它價格的波動很高對不對因為房間數是幾萬件案件只會是只有一兩件嗎我相信在各個縣市都有這樣子的問題所以這種狀況現在只能講就是說如果你欲有爭議你就來提出申訴申復我們去查證 |
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現在目前這件事情是很花人力沒有錯但目前看起來比較能執行的大概目前還是走這個方式因為我們不太可能像什麼591住屋網就是奶丸房子它有實價登錄不太可能這件事情它每天的動態狀況很多現在是指的是議場的通報一個通報的平台你們再去跟各縣市政府再去做演繹能不能做這樣子的平台 |
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那我們在文字上面可不可以改成違規裁罰的機制上面那我大概現在了解委員的這個想法跟建議我們在首長會議的時候會把這個問題提出來大家看看用什麼方式見面那個平台不是啊 公安署你今天就訪問你的意見是什麼 |
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我現在在處理委員的提案我們是修改一下文字的內容因為我是看到違規裁罰機制機制是非常的空泛並沒有解決到問題 |
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因為這個確實有產生很多消費糾紛確實它價格也是會波動因為市場也是有它的機制因為你那個週末當然會比較貴一點這個大概全世界都一樣只是對於萬一有發生消費糾紛那委員 邱委員意思大概說那你消費者大概還有什麼樣的平台可以反映我們先就邱委員的提案那公務員署你的意見是什麼你如果要做修正要怎麼修正 |
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是不是可以就是說如果這個委員就是說覺得異常通報平台這一部分那個要不然你就研究不然你嘛好不好那我們是不是可以後面的實售價格這一部分可以因為實售價格真的是會有事務上的困難就我們前面的異常通報平台這一部分我們一次維持價格異常呢如果是真的價格異常呢 |
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因為我們那個 後面的這個最高房價配查這部分沒有問題那這一案再來溝通就是說 公關署已經會同地方政府研究 辦理 建立柯委員要求的這個平台好不好就是 |
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國內什麼價格異常通報平台國內旅宿房價就是我們來研議一下建立異常的我同意可以把實售價格就是做刪掉那前面這個平台你們要再去研議好 我們另來研議一下好 那個實售價格那個就把它這樣就把它刪除啦好好那 |
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最後一段 觀光署應會同地方政府研究辦理建立國內旅宿房價異常價格的通報平台這樣好不好然後接下來那一句要求業者確實將失收價格 那一句就刪掉了 |
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然後最後那一句在接下去那一句有沒有意見並加強平日價格異常上漲是處罰與宣告最高費查房價公開於台灣旅宿網這也是保留對好這樣可以嗎好那就照修正案通過接下來第72案 |
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公安署第七項專案改書面書面好我們專案會議同意辦理然後呢刪除一下行政院亦已審定該風景開發計畫這文字然後正式第幾行第二行啦行政院亦已審定這一句話刪掉對到至今嚴重嚴重慈愛到這裡都刪掉了是那其他的 |
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就是遵照辦理遵照 好 那修正通過好 第73案就是專案報告改為書面報告已經更為一個月內可以嗎都三個月好 三個月內提出書面報告修正通過第74案跟上面一樣好 也是三個月內提出書面報告照修正通過是 謝謝 |
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好另外另外也跟各位委員報告我們的討論事項三就是接下來直轄市還有縣市政府一般性補助款我們交通部主管的第四目觀光署及所屬又沒有委員提案所以我們就就照列好各位委員那我們現在觀光署的收預算審查就先到這裡告一那我們就休息五分鐘 |
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接下來審查公路局的預算 |
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好各位我們現在繼續開會那我們先介紹今天的列席人員我們首先我們歡迎公路局的林埔山局長還有我們主計事的林真玉主任好謝謝各位我們現在開始審查公路局的預算 |
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我們先看第一案 稅路各位有沒有意見 |
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我們提案委員不在那第一案我們就不處理我們看第二至三案各位有沒有意見稅出的媒體政策及業務宣導費各位有沒有意見沒有意見好 因為委員不在那我們就不處理我們就不處理第四到四十八案各位有沒有意見 |
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4-48案是我們第二幕公路及監理業務管理好請李分責委員簡單說一下115年的這種客運的車輛電動化的推動計畫他預算編入的一億兩千萬左右 |
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那它最重要的目標是要導入先進而成熟的電動公車以及它相關的智慧化以及自動化的一個技術來提升公車的服務的效能等等那這個計畫是113年到119年度 |
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目標是全國要推動客運車輛電動化那其實各地方政府推動的效率速度也不一樣那公路局應該要針對各地方政府推動的狀況加強協助並且提出相關因應的方案那我本來是要凍結但是經過溝通我可以同意不凍結但是一個月內 |
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要提出相關的加強推動客運車輛的電動以及過去辦理的成效提出說明報告以上好 謝謝好 各位還沒見邱若驊委員謝謝張偉這邊提出的是第十一案這案是針對公路局監理業務的預算主要是針對車牌懸掛還有撬牌執法標準不清的問題現在法規雖然有高牌 |
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就是車牌位移指定位置懸掛的法環可是實務上是什麼角度算違規然後要怎麼測量一般改裝跟惡意的竅牌要怎麼區分標準都還不夠清楚那尤其第一線員警在執法的時候常常只能靠目視那昨天就有一個爭議警方是用手機來測量那所以呢我這邊有提出那也希望請公務局要說明這個標準到底是什麼謝謝 以上 |
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好 謝謝 剛剛各位委員報告我們在第二幕的第九案 二十六案 二十九案 三十三案提案委員都改為主決議好 接下來各位有沒有意見好 請盧委員盧秉哲委員請發言好 謝謝主席 |
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第16案還是請教一下公務局我們在預算整個編列當然我們監理在相關一些業務其中我們多次接到我們民眾反映在機車要報考的過程每一次大概整個月幾乎都是滿的名額 |
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然後我們在桃園很多的年輕人他說要到可能馬祖其他的一個地方去考甚至宜蘭那我覺得這個情況是非常非常奇怪那在你們網路報名的怎麼會引發這樣的一個情況所以我們是不是請我們公路局我今天提凍結10%需要我們提出專案的報告 |
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那你們要如何去優化這些報考的一些能量讓要考駕照的人他都能夠能夠順利在最快最有效的時間能夠到我們監理站去考照我想這個的部分我特別提出凍結10%提出專案報告10多通知以上好 謝謝那龔志群如果有人剛提了這個問題這個確實民眾反應這個名譽很大這個你待會要說明一下 |
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好 各位委員如果還沒有意見我們就先請公務局來做說明是 主席還有各位委員那剛剛大概就是說昆澤委員還有這個邱委員還有盧委員大概有提三個課題那第一個課題有關於這個李昆澤委員提到電動搭客車這個電動化的部分大概跟各位報告一下確實剛開始113年的時候相關的廠牌不夠多的時候那地方政府還有客戶業者有點遲疑 |
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所以這個推展的並不是很順利但是從114年到這個今年其實那個速度都跟上來了那這個目前上路營運的部分大概有3000多台那這個合併在打造中的也有1000多台總共有4000多台那都符合目前這個就是到2030年完成全面電動化的一個這個目標 |
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那剛剛這個委員指示這些相關跟地方政府大家在共同來合作解決這些相關現在遇到的問題比較大的部分大概就是這個充電廠的這個部分那我們跟台電都有在這個做這個合作來跟地方政府解決這些相關的一個課題 |
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那第二個部分剛剛邱委員所提到就是說那個號最主要大概是機車啦就是機車這個號牌不依指定位置這個來選來這一個懸掛的部分那這個部分的話大概這個一年啦一年大概這個舉報數大概有三百多件 |
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那這個部分的話之前我大概也找過警政署大家來這一個開過會那目前經濟機關判斷的跟這個警政署預定的部分是這一個差不多我們剛剛提的那個部分基本上大概警政署他們自己認定是一個比較個案的一個情況但是未來通案如何去做處理的部分我這邊大概也跟社安中心這個就是說也開過這一個兩次會了 |
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那這個對於這個就是說原廠出來這個號牌價的位置基本上在歐盟在美國還有日本都有一些這個角度的一個這個規定比如說45度42度這個等等的部分但是後來這個盤完之後現在內容到一個這個課題啦就是已經這個如果說即使採用國外這個最寬鬆大概是15度這樣子角度來看的話 |
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那國內這個1萬領排的部分還有將近30萬輛他那個角度是有點這個就是可能是比較大一點所以這個使用中未來如果說綠電這樣子的標準那使用中適合車輛如何去做處理這部分的話還要再跟檢控署跟其他單位做一個討論所以我這個部分大概跟委員報告說已經有在做處理但是有使用中這些數量還蠻龐大的部分未來要怎麼去做處理這個是一個課題那但是已經有在處理當中 |
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那剛剛這個羅委員所提到這個機車這一個考照的部分這部分我大概也跟這一個委員報告目前機車考照大概分兩個管道一個是這一個駕訓班的管道那另外一個部分就是個別報名的部分那委員關切的大概就是個別報名的部分那個別報名的部分的話我之前大概也羅委員所提到這個課題確實是實務上有發生的問題那目前局裡面大概朝幾個方向來做處理 |
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第一個部分就是說以往考照的時候只能預約到考照的前7天那現在這個放寬到這個預約可以就是考照那天的前3天所以增加了4天可以做預約那第二個部分的話以往也發生我們去簽完之後很多去預約完之後沒有去考照所以後來這個決定在4月份就是加了停選的一個部分你第一次如果預約沒來的話 |
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你這個15天之後才能夠報名你如果第二次在這個預約再沒來的話就要一個月之後所以這個停權的機制一進來之後原來大概實際到考慮大概75%現在已經提高到91%所以以前會佔空額的那個部分一下子我們在跑完之後多了一年大概多了7萬的一個這一個名額出來 |
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那第二個部分我們大概也提到確實在各地地區這個實際需求可能會這個不一樣因為到暑假的時候像桃園可能這個有些學生比較多或等這個等等部分的話所以我們在這個上個月就要求經理機關全部再增加百分之這個百分之十的部分那百分之十的一個部分的話大概目前局裡面都有在控管看看每天的一個部分 |
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那如果說這個有這個比較緊迫的部分的話大概盡可能就是要求建立機關去這個加開那但是我也跟委員報告這個加開的部分也牽涉到建立機關的這個人力的一個考量那後面的部分的話我們在六月底大概會有一個線上監控的系統就是說如果名額已經逼近到什麼樣的階段的話局裡面 |
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這邊就會來做監控就會再來協調所裡面這邊來做一個處理所以目前大概就是說整個容量的一個部分的話大概都有做檢討都有這個這個提升上來那而後 |
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個別這個比較特殊區域的這一個就是這一塊的話我們會有線上這個監控的一個部分那另外一個部分比較偏鄉的部分我們大概就朝這個下降考照這個方式來做一個處理所以剛剛委員所提到的課題我們在今年上半年都一直在處理這樣子的課題以上大概做個報告好 二位要補充好 |
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好 謝謝主席所以其實我們在基層聽到的奇怪因為我每次 我會打電話到我們直接監獄所去問大家好像的說法都不一樣可是一堆的孩子就是被爸爸報名那名字也給我了所以我覺得 |
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這逐步的一個怎麼樣去放寬這個接受這個部分第二個現在都已經進入AI時代了嘛他抱不上你應該要主動推波嘛就說他已經卡到這裡了沒關係我哪裡有缺就直接推波給他不要說當天的啦就建議他怎麼樣去我覺得至少在服務的態度上面這感覺會比較好一點最後一個其實就所了解從另外一個角度過去考機車的 |
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那幾位監考官 監考人員可以講門庭若市我想不要講我那個時代整個早上排不完 弄不完聽說現在連那些考官都說現在真的是一下就結束了然後 |
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我也不太清楚你們去從這些監考官的角度你們在背後去看譬如說他早上可以四個小時或三個半小時讓監督考照可是他現在真的就只有變一個半小時一個半小時在那邊假設假設他所 |
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那個有人跟我講這個是真實的情況之下那你們不會覺得很怪嗎那我原本規定這個量是不是有問題第二個是你們現在早上下午也分門別類有一類是給第一次來的而第一次來因為比較麻煩嘛那有些是因為第一次沒考上第二次還來那這兩個 |
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他的本身的遇到問題又不太一樣我真的希望你們能夠仔細去研究也看看監考官他的能量是不是你們在這名額他已經緊繃了 |
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從9點上班到12點都沒辦法休息還是根本到10點半就結束了我覺得你們要去思考一下 謝謝好 請洪孟楷委員好 感謝昭偉在電幕這邊本席有幾個提案其中36跟45我想要拜託公務局 拜託我們次長 |
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本席過去到現在都一直強調是說大客車的運能運量因為是解決通勤的很重要的一個關鍵那我們也在去年大家共同努力之下接受本席的建議就是我們開放雙層巴士上國道但目前為止已經開放了快半年時間還有有沒有任何的雙層巴士上國道了還沒嘛 |
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因為兩個部分其實我也了解大家都希望往這個方向不然我們也不會開放但是確實還沒有第一造價相對比較貴雙層巴塞的造價相對比較貴那第二就是業者的這個可能誘因不足 |
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那我之前也提過像這個我們這次第45案就是我們既然也有補貼給一般的這個大客車的一個部分那是不是雙城巴士這邊趕快訂出相關的一個補貼辦法其實最重要的是讓能夠有這個運具上路來解決現在的司機荒也可以減少車輛讓民眾在 |
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國道上面可以有這個雙層巴士可以搭乘所以怎麼樣能夠促進這個方向我想中央這個主管機關這邊可以跟地方政府再多push一下這是本席這個36案跟45案的一個提案的一個目的那另外第47案等一下也要提一下就是打炸一直是本席以及我們很多委員共同關注的那我們不能變成因為 |
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資料庫其實就是詐騙集團的源頭詐騙集團掌握那個資料庫個資為什麼我們現在看到說個資保護非常重要就是因為詐騙集團掌握之後他就可以以假亂真去先騙你 |
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告訴你一些個資之後你就以為真的是這個公部門來然後藉此他就可以取信於你之後他就好詐騙所以我們針對我們的系統維護以及相關因為之前有媒體報導是不是有被監理資料有被詐騙集團利用的狀況那我們要怎麼樣加強我們的資安升級不是只是升級硬體軟體也要升級這部分資安的部分不是只有速發不要配了 |
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我們交通部我們公務局尤其監理單位這個掌握最多的其實更應該要以最嚴格的防火牆來去做維護好不好這兩案是不可以再說明一下好謝謝請公務局說明 |
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剛剛這個我想我先再回應一下這個盧委員所提到機械考照的部分那我想第一個部分就是說考驗員的部分其實在建立機關並不是專任他都是一般的這一個同仁所以他還有其他的業務要辦那但是剛剛委員講的那個部分的話就是這個也就是我們上半年其實我跟各位委員報告一下 |
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一往大概就是在我們這個年代的時候像板橋建立站是已經排到中山路那邊去然後整個建立人員從早上到下午都沒休息這樣子就是為了要便民服務讓民眾但是這樣子的一個考照品質等等的部分大家也是擔心所以後來才講說這個用預約的一個方式但是預約的部分深入剛剛委員所提到的部分 |
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只要有這個人員可以付貨的這情況我們還是要盡可能來這個服務所以剛剛委員所提到那個部分的話我們也是會拉進來在這個通盤來做一個處理所以現在大概都有去到各所各站你有多少人你其他的業務這個相關多少那可以排除多少個這個場次目前都在這一輪的滾動檢討裡面 |
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那剛剛這個就是說洪榮所提到的那個建立系統之外的部分我跟委員報告因為公共建立資訊系統是國內三大這個行政系統就是這個復一證跟這個財稅接下來就是公共建立資訊系統 |
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所以公路監禮諮詢系統在公路局本身就是一個非常重要這個關鍵要防護的一個部分所以我們在這個也可以看到說在心靈的預算裡面其實我們對於公路監禮諮詢系統相關的升級還有包括資安等等的部分的話都是這個投入經費這個也是局裡面這個最重要的一個這個部分那剛剛委員所提到的部分的話我們會持續來這個精進來這個持續來做一個辦理 |
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這個公務監理資料庫是絕對不容外洩的部分這個部分我跟委員做個報告好 謝謝各位委員 那我們來處理預算謝謝各位委員提的凍結案我們就在第二幕 我們就凍結五千萬然後請工總就各位委員剛剛發言追尋的項目聲明內庭疏問報告那客戶請公務局自行調整 |
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好來教研那我這邊還是我剛提的第11案我這邊堅持要專案報告因為據我了解你們跟警政署開過兩次會之後就沒有下文了而且你們在 |
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你們在道路交通安全規則第四條主要規範是因正面懸掛與車輛後端之明顯適當位置可是你們目前對於適當位置你們還是沒有說明清楚啊所以我這邊就是請你們再提出專案報告那之後時得動之 謝謝 |
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剛剛尊重這個邱若驊委員的提案另外我也尊重召委就是說第二幕凍結五千萬我這邊沒有意見因為這已經高出我幾個案子的一個凍結但是我要求是不是公務局長這邊也可以回覆一下那雙城巴士的這個補助項目或者說補助辦法什麼時候可以出來我已經追滿久了 |
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我先回答一下那救援如果我們要再辦專案報告的話我是怕時間上的壓縮我們現在已經到快到六月了以後去 |
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是不是 那我們是請公務局 公務局到您的辦公室去那公務局 公務總要到邱委員的辦公室跟他做一些 就他所關心的項目做生意另外 剛剛黃委員所提到的一個部分的話我們那個 這個最近啦 最近那個今年的那個供應計畫補助也快要下去了 因為大概就是在等這個 如果說要確定之後 我們那個補助的部分大概就會下去 那目前啦 |
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大概對於這個雙層巴士的一個這個補助的話大概心中大概會有一個這個補助金額大概會是現在這個地地板的一個這個 |
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這個兩倍那另外一個部分剛剛委員有提到因為這裡面使用者有一個是國道科運像北極北桃這個國道科運那另外一個有一部分是這個市區客運業者是地方政府的部分所以未來這兩類對象的一個部分的話國道客運業者我們想這個只要客運業者這個有意願的話我們都會來協助那地方政府的部分的話我們會跟這個地方政府這個來那個好那原則上我們希望說這個在6月份我們供應輔助原則就可以下去好 |
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六月份 好 謝謝那就六月底以前這個辦法出來好 您剛剛是對他講的啦您就補足補足的六月底以前啦對啦 他就說啦可以喔 那就六月底以前辦法出來謝謝好 陸委員 |
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好 謝謝那我還有提3538案尊重我們召委的一個這個才事那我再補充問一下 跟預算無關你們事後能夠給揮霍報告因為你們這個把我們在66興建高架的一個施工整個潰線 整個台電的線路挖掉這是我們公路局嗎是不是公路局的一個工程那現在我們在桃園觀音的生殖能中心他處理垃圾大概有段 |
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斷掉第二個來講這條潰線不光是供應給這個生殖能中心焚燒垃圾來電之用而且也是發電之後回饋給台電雙向損失我不知道它預估是2.8億多少億那你們說這個廠商會賠 |
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來龍去脈跟最後如何處理我們不要在今天講麻煩你們給我一個說明謝謝好那再請公務局向盧委員盧委員辦公室報告 |
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好各位委員那我們接下來就看第49到76案那補充說明喔49到76案裡面當中的49案、53案、64案、65案、73案、74案提案委員都改為主決議好各位委員好請何孟楷委員 |
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好 朝偉謝謝我們接下來是第三幕嘛 公路建設改善計劃199案到76案討論第三幕之前我可不可以先請教一下部長現在人在哪邊啊部長 因為一開始早上跟我們的消息是說部長在高鐵站趕不過來那現在郡縣朝偉都已經到了那部長現在人是在哪裡還是今天部長就打算不來了他今天要請假了他說要去看什麼 台61嗎 |
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不是一開始本來講部長今天沒來是跟我們講是說是因為高鐵的原因耶原來這樣事實中今天部長是請假那今天部長我們那麼重要的觀光署然後相關部會的預算部長不來等一下 稍微這樣子很大條喔今天單上面有寫啦他出席到10點半是 到10點半嘛對 |
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所以原本部長是九點到十點半然後沒有辦法來然後他直接他就他就離開了是不是所以我為什麼會這樣問是因為接下來這一個第三幕很重要就是本席的選區淡江大橋那每一次大家不要說部長生日的時候有去淡江大橋這個祈福我這不是怪我們公路局的同仁啦因為我相信公路局的同仁 |
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也很冤枉啦突然間講說原來選到那一天5月12原來就是我們偉大部長的生日但這些過了我都就先不講可我想說討論預算的部分然後部長可以不來剪彩 辦活動部長跑得比誰都勤我在淡水那麼久的時間部長從以前到現在也沒有來過那麼多次但是就是在要開通的時候來了好多次喔好 可是我為什麼今天這樣講 |
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58案、59案本席提的但本席要講的是公路局淡江大橋淡水端相對來講有些改善措施我們都在改善中但是八里端的問題非常嚴重八里端的問題嚴重到是第一它的步行跟腳踏車跟自行車的一個路段完全周邊是沒有照明 |
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然後走進這個巴里端要過來的時候那下面其實還經過 講不客氣還經過蒙阿波上個禮拜我們再去會刊因為之前你們把全部都圍住全部都是工地所以我們想要去做辦理會刊了解還沒有辦法但現在開通了我們再去做了解才發覺說你引道腳踏車跟行人步道是蒙阿波 |
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那本席在這個六日接到地方民眾的陳情才發現更嚴重的是那個是既有道路嗎我們八里端連外的那個是我們的道路還是私地 |
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那邊有很多的地主現在跳出來現在在抗議是說他們一開始根本不知道公路局把淡江大橋八里端那邊變成是連外的主要的道路那結果原來那些都是私人地主 |
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他現在在問說政府徵收沒徵收用地沒取得然後原本是他們自己P的一個私人土地的道路其實主要是對於本來是要去做那個去漁村漁港海邊使用那就現在突然變成是公路局規劃淡江大橋行人腳踏車對外的主要道路蛙子緯我想公路局長應該很知道我在講哪一段 |
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那現在那些地主現在跳出來講是說那他們要怎麼樣同意我們政府部門政府部門完全沒有跟他們溝通過我覺得這件事情很嚴重耶不要搞到到最後淡江大橋通車反而是一件好事然後結果讓地方的地主跳出來講說以後不讓行人走因為你淡江大橋開通之後24小時然後凌晨3點都有人經過都有人想要去上橋 |
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那對他們居住在 原本居住在那邊的人就苦不堪言那還有公廁最基本的公廁淡水端上來的走到八里端之後沒有洗手間可以使用他發覺已經太多次他就直接在人家家門口裡面就發現有隨地便秘的狀況那這要怎麼解決 |
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你不能說開 開橋的時候風風光光部長都在橋上那邊這個 辦活動然後結果反而巴里端這邊的民眾完全沒有這一些細節的部分沒有做一個很好的收尾好啦 那個 那公務局繼續跟紅木改委員做直接說明好不好好 紅木委員 我們先回到要不要請部長也來看一下不要只有剪彩的時候部長去然後結果這種最基本的事情部長連來都不來吧 |
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好 這可以跟部長反映一下啦好 各位委員還有沒有要派員來 黃建老委員 張偉來來 張偉 謝謝齁我提62 63 66 75 76齁那62當然是為了說這個前瞻現在當然結束了啦那在有地方停車場過去當然支持率比較低那當初什麼選定就先不生就了那未來這個經費地方上如果還是有因為市區的部分齁像我停車場的需求的話交通部的立場是會不會有相關的補助啊這是第一件事情 |
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然後在63案講的是這個自動駕駛的部分就是說其實當然現在自動駕駛的法規都還沒有完全的上路那我想世界各地世界各國 新興國家他們都有在做FSD的一個相關示範的上路那問題在哪裡問題說現在我們的公路局我們對於標誌標線的設計的部分我們有沒有要針對無人駕駛的這樣子的革命做一些調整不只是未來是靠人來辨識未來是說我們希望它的這個標誌標線更系統化 |
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這樣的機器在判讀的時候有更精確那當然未來我們真的如果真的無人車有機會上路我們當然需要加速嘛那上路之後能不能透過標示標訊的引導好像整個事故有夠降低這個部分我們提出凍結然後再來是66部分當然是這個我們不斷跟大家討論不過這今天可以快點講過去我們後面還有一些協調會就是66我們是針對 |
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台74沿街高鐵站的這部分其實這範例我覺得像在高雄就很明顯高雄也是用這種概念就是快速道路直接接近高鐵站那我們今天要講的這個也是這問題說台74線我能不能直接把車流疏導直接進到高鐵站我不需要再下閘道然後再上去然後在這邊塞車我想這部分我覺得 |
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過去有市府跟地方政府跟公共局有配合的經驗那其實我認為台氣是接這個高鐵閘道接上 接近高鐵站的這個部分它並不是工程上並不是一個困難的事情那只是說誰要做啊花多少錢啊誰來做的啊所以這部分我希望我們就要盡快有一個共識喔然後再來7576部分 |
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抱歉喔這個75的部分也是台中中部地區有些快速道路它可以直接上去上去之後就直接接國道了那對重機騎士來講他的認知中或社會大眾普羅大眾的認知就是一般的快速道路可以騎重機 |
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那問題是在閘道口的部分到底標誌因為你們說像這個案例是說在這個有一個閘道口它要上74上74之後又可以接國道所以那個閘道理論上它是不能上重機的可是那標誌呢你們設了一個尊22標誌你們當然有這樣講嘛說尊22標誌但什麼叫尊22標誌我想因為各種標誌真的非常多啦我覺得還是要回到用路人的使用經驗裡面你乾脆就直接寫進行 |
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重疾或什麼樣你就直接寫明擺或是直接標示很明確的什麼地方不可以做什麼地方可以做我覺得不要用這種官方的說法說我已經公告了然後我犯了122但是就是你這個就看不懂所以才有很多人他是為了上74他是為了上快速道路結果他上了這個閘道之後因為這個閘道可以上上去國道所以反而他被開罰所以我覺得這部分還是要檢討一下整個標示標線我覺得還是要做其實包含這個 |
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這個75案跟剛剛我前面講自動駕駛是類似的概念我們希望說公路局在做標誌標籤的相關檢討實在要直覺一點不要說我們講真的你們那個交通標誌標誌尊敬尊敬尊敬那個真的太多種了各種車型各種不同的路況我們希望說能夠很明確的讓用路人知道說很直覺事實上這邊就是不能上去或這邊就是可以上去這個要很直覺一點不要有這麼多奇怪的就是不同類型的規範那76我覺得也是要做個表態就是說你們到底對於車座照相的 |
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車子照相的這個政策是什麼我想不管是之前質詢還是很多入選團體還是民間業者大家都有談到有件事情就是一直用車子照相來開罰 |
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阿你如果一個路段一年可以收到上萬件罰單那不就表示這個路有點問題嗎今天就是說我不是顧大家的有些路段你明明看起來可以開到時速60開到50結果你設40那一定會中標嘛所以這部分就是說要檢討一下到底是路型太寬還是路線還是樹線有設置有問題你如果說當然在彎道你為了大家的安全你希望大家開慢一點設置設置照相就情有可原 |
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那有時橙筆直的道路你也放測速照相然後這個所謂的速限跟它真實的這個行車的這個速度是有很大的落差所以我在測速照相上面我覺得你們還是要有一個很明確的立場出來到底未來是不是還繼續用這種方式來懲罰來設計用路人因為我想這個近年來的發環收路而且越設越多所以我覺得這個部分也是請公路局要來說明以上 謝謝好 謝謝王建華召委來 請公路局說明 |
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我想我先針對那個這個就是說黃委員所提到的一個部分第一個停車場的一個補助的一個計畫基本上這一期就到這邊大概就目前並沒有其他的一個計畫那對於之前已經核定的一個計畫在執行中的一個部分的話公務局會監督各地方政府來加速做一個辦理那第二個部分就是因應未來這個這種駕駛就是無人駕駛直接相關標示標線的一個部分的話 |
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那我跟委員的這個部分包括這個交通管理法令的部分在目前在部裡面公寓室這邊他有委託這個車安中心跟這個市車會在做一個專案的一個這個計畫那未來就是說包括這些交通管理的一個應遵循的法令還有相關配套的標示標線的一個部分的話會在這個案子裡面來做一個處理 |
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那針對這個就是說剛剛所提到在台其實是那個大型重型機車這個上來可能會誤入這個就是說那個路口閘道那邊到底這個大型重型機車能不能這個上來的部分的話我想我們會這個醫療委員的一個指示來就是說如果說會讓駕駛人有誤解的一個部分的話我們就會這個來做一個檢討不能上來就能上來不能上來就這個不能上來 |
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我想這個這個標示的一個部分我們會來做一個處理那有關剛剛委員提到就是說公務局對於這個測速照相政策的部分這部分我跟這個委員報告因為公務局基本上省到的一個這個部分如果說有相關這個這個事故的一個部分的話大概就是說第一個就我們自己本身工程應該要改善可以改善那個部分我們一定會來做一個處理 |
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那搭配了如果說在這個路段上面必須要做這個速度管理必須要做一些執法的一個部分的話這個部分就比較偏向這個就是說小管警察機關這些這個相關的一個處理啦所以 |
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因為有關於這個執法的部分因為我公務局並不是這個執法的一個機關那原則上有關於這些在公務局轄管的省道路段裡面如果有關於這些執法那個部分的話我們會充分跟這個轄管的警察機關來做一個討論跟溝通 |
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來原則上我想不管是檢察機關或者是這個道路主管機關相關安全管理的部分都不會以這個這個執法處罰為主要的原目的跟目標以上大概作為補充 |
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好 感謝好 各位人如果沒有其他意見好 孟教練我剛剛講了半天淡江大橋是怎麼樣不是 那個我再請他跟你報告我們先把預算處理好 好不好現在不是跟我報告我可不可以請教一下為什麼當初會我們連外道路居然是選到一個是根本不是一般道路而是有私地主的它也不算是既有道路它就是它現在是私地主現在大家群情激憤 |
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覺得說怎麼會當初我這個中央跟地方但當初怎麼會這樣子選定這個狀況要怎麼解決我覺得這其實是對地方民眾來講他是尤其是在地的鄉親他甚至是說不排除要抗議耶所以我今天才反應那我說什麼時候可以解決這個問題不然黃委員你要不要拍個稿子啊可以啊但不是要難道現在是行政部門丟的包然後要我們立法部門來解決嗎 |
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我們還有考察看什麼狀況在委員可以追究責任你到時候再做一個比較說明不然你這樣講我們旁邊的人聽不懂好不好各位我們先處理預算第一個我們的49到76年的第三幕我們就凍結五千萬各位有沒有意見然後我們就科目前工種自行調整 |
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那各委員發言要求的詢問報告 請公務局在三個月內提出 使得動之好 還有幾個案件 來 介委員不好意思 詹委員 那針對三十七案就是陳青龍委員提出的那也這邊再請局長到 再跟陳青龍委員繼續報告第三個案 陳青龍委員所提的案再請公務局跟陳青龍委員辦公室到陳委員辦公室去做說明 |
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好 各位委員 那我們接下來繼續看第77案到100案的主決議第77案宮主席專案經理委員同意改書面好 我們改為書面報告 |
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修正通過78案 遵照辦理通過79案 遵照辦理通過80案 遵照辦理通過81案 遵照辦理通過82案 遵照辦理通過83案 遵照辦理通過 |
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八十四案 通過八十五案 通過八十六案八十七案 通過八十八案八十八案的部分大概有跟我們辦公室有報告是不是有幾個公司做一個修正第一個第八十八案就是最後一段 |
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要求交通部公路局應會同 衛生福利部就刪除啦就是公路局會同地方政府好 那倒數 在下一行研議建構與高齡者需求為核心的交通服務模式你這一句話要刪除嗎各位有意見沒有的話我們就修正通過89案 |
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89案的部分這個文職修正就是倒數第二行針對該計畫所設的這些內容直到那個定落時第三方工程品質查核機制每年定期那個定期之前建議文職刪除這個文職都刪除這個直接跳了就是且要求交通部公路局應該於兩個月內向立法院提出書面報告 |
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就變成這樣子嗎各位有沒有意見沒有的話就照修正通過90案通過91案通過92案通過93案通過94案通過95案 |
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95案建議改書面改為書面修正通過96案通過97案通過98案通過99案改為書面修正通過100案改為書面修正通過 |
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好另外我們的討論事項五直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款交通部主管的第二幕公路局及所屬因為沒有委員提案所以所列預算照列好各位我們公路局的預算就審查到這個地方那我們現在休息休息20分鐘好那請也發便當了好大家辛苦一下 |
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1點5分請大家回到現場謝謝 |
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他都沒有提啊 大家都動靜在哪裏他都沒有堅持啊哪裏 哪裏 哪裏 哪裏 哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏哪裏 |
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這跑就不能開會了 |
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在旁邊 |
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阿所以我有留守阿 幹 |
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兩公司啊 兩公司啊 兩公司啊不說話就是我最大的溫柔哇 你要辦哪個便當你們已經說到高雄都跑不掉了啊那拿個便當來接一支啊兩家酒店 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好謝謝各位我們繼續開會接下來我們來審查香港局一百一十五年度的預算我們介紹要介紹好我們 |
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16454.387 |
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我們首先歡迎韓港局的葉協榮局長還有我們主計事的陳雲橋主任 陳主任 謝謝我們先看韓港局的預算各位委員我們先處理1到19案 並案處理 |
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好 各位委員有意見嗎來 請林昆哲委員好 航港局的預算在第二幕就是航港業務管理及發展編列的6億9千與16萬那其實根據運安會運輸安全改善建議的資訊航港局有兩項的改善建議是在等候回覆或者是處理中 |
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那13項改善建議分項執行計畫列管中那為了維護水路的安全那航港局應該要積極的參考運安會的改善意見並且提出具體的改善作為那我建議凍結1000萬然後一個月內提出署名報告 |
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那之後使得解凍那另外就是第五案就是違辦費的部分編列了7516萬那他辦理了25項的計畫比114年度辦理的17項計畫增加了8項 |
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那增加的預算是達到2653萬那航港局應該就增加的計畫的必要性要詳細說明而且要說明114年度委辦計畫辦理的具體成效 |
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那我建議凍結五百萬那一個月內就一百一十五年委辦計畫辦理之必要性還有一百一十四年度委辦計畫的辦理成效向交通委員會提出書面報告後解凍以上好 感謝我們先請香港局來做說明是 謝謝張偉張偉 各位委員 |
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那有關李工作委員所追尋的第四案有關運安會的目前列管航港局的這個15項的這個分項的改善建議呢那跟李委員報告這15項裡面涉及飲水作業有9項涉及船舶交通服務VTS管理有3項另外涉及船舶管理也有3項針對這15項的這個列管改善建議呢 |
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16587.354 |
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16599.129 |
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我個人都定期不定期的都會專案督導我們業務單位積極的來進行這個具體的改善措施依照運動會的這個建議跟指示那這15項裡面我們現在經過盤點應該有10項 |
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16631.887 |
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有機會在下半年渴望解除列管那我們會積極的來依照運安會的改善建議積極的來做處理也會盡量我們意見提出報告那第二個我們垂尋的第五案違犯費增加這個部分呢最主要是因整個國際海事人員的訓練朝數位化智慧化的這個方向在發展我們本局目前正在推動我國海事人智慧數位升級計畫 |
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在這個計畫專案計畫下面有多項的這個分享子計畫包括海事人員課程的數位化替代能源人才培育的這個課程計畫以及專案管理等等資訊那另外呢因整個淨零減排在今年度也新增 |
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16677.649 |
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海運產業鏈的企業檢探管理的作業指引的委辦研究所以基於這個國際趨勢不管是淨零還是出入販的這個需要增加了委辦的這個項目那我們會遵照委員的指示提出這個相關的必要性的說明那也會報告114年度委辦的成效以上報告好 謝謝各位還有意見嗎沒有的話好 盧委員好 謝謝主席 |
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16706.841 |
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我想這個剛剛油化委員有特別來電針對他提到第14案還是請我們航港局來說明一下最主要是這個預算航港業務管理及發展向下編列的簡稱非漁業用小船裝設AIS計畫系統大概就是這個自動識別的系統其中有一些是因為我們國安體系的一個要求針對可能不明的一個船隻直接衝入 |
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我們這個國家的一個港口那為了增加便士的一個涵蓋率所以提出這樣的計畫看到你113年編列預算全數保留沒有執行114年這個分配預算1700萬它執行率0.07 |
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16729.728 |
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16748.026 |
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那遇到什麼困難啊那當然今年以後續編到底這個事情是遇到能做不能做我想這件事油耗委員他提出凍結10%主要的原因以上說明謝謝 請韓國瑜接受您謝謝召委還有羅委員的催訓 |
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跟盧委員報告本項的這個計畫推動盧同委員剛剛所說明的一個是國安單位的這個基於國安的考量另外也為了進一步強化我們的這個航岸的管理讓所有船舶都必須要裝飾IS那我們原來盤點的這個經過盤點現在預計要裝飾總數是3,559艘 |
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16787.269 |
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那特別跟委員報告原來因為相關船主的聯絡還有裝飾的意願不高那經過我們修法也發布相關的訊息來透過多元的管道來提升這個船主裝飾的意願之後在113年、114年我們已經裝飾完成2030艘 |
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那到今年的5月20號為止目前已經完成裝射2888艘所以整個裝射的執行率已經達到81%那我想最主要一開始這些船主對於這個是否要裝射還是保持觀望的態度經過我們多元的宣導還有包括法規的修正現在執行的狀況已經有所改善那我預計6月份會全部完成裝射 議長報告 |
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好 謝謝各位委員那我們來處理航港局的一到十九案第一幕那我們就凍結一千萬那委員垂詢部分那請航港局上天院的體育書面報告後實施凍置好 那凍結一千萬就 科目就請你自行調整好 接下來我們看第二十案 |
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提案委員徐屋可委員有要發言嗎沒有那委員要提凍結嗎還是我們就好那我們就不處理好第二十案我們就不處理我們看第二十一案到三十五案的決議案 |
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16869.188 |
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各位委員我們看第21案 通過22案各位委員有關核心存檸關切這個台中港擴港的這個營運補償部分請董事長在這邊簡要報告說明一下92年台中港擴港的這個程序你先就預算有沒有意見 |
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你有要修正嗎我們先處理倒數第三對好是文字修正就是對並各位委員我們第22案主決議倒數第三行是並提出適當之補償方案以彌補當地漁民漁業權被限制之損失這裡刪除是各位有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們修正通過好 第23案專長幫你 |
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16924.984 |
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通過24案 通過25案 通過26案 通過27案 通過28案好 我們改為書面報告修正通過29案 通過30案好 專案報告改為書面報告 |
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各位委員好那我們修正通過31案通過32案通過33案也是一樣我們改為書面報告修正通過34案好專案改為書面報告第三案修正通過35案改為書面報告35案修正通過 |
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好 各位委員我們討論事項七直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款交通部主管的第三部航港局委員沒有提案我們預算就照列好各位委員那接下來我們來看航港基金航港建設基金各位委員我們看 |
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一至二案 航港建設計劃各位有意見嗎沒有意見的話我們一至二第一案到第二案我們就不處理第三到四案各位有意見嗎沒有的話那我們也不處理五到十一案各位有意見嗎沒有那我們也不處理十二到十四案各位有意見嗎好那我們也不處理 |
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另外12到14案不處理第15案好 各位沒有意見的話我們不處理第16到16案開始的主決議 |
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各位我們請看第16案我們是那個不在口頭表達意見但是整個的一個包括凍結的部分還是這個太過優待整個還是稍微要稍微處理一下因為我們還在等書面報告如果這樣什麼都沒有的話我覺得這樣也沒有不太很好麻煩那個主席處理一下 |
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好啦那我們就那個第十六案的主決我們大家就看仔細一點第十六案報告這一張改書面來我們各位我們看第十六案有號委員復判有跟有委員報告 |
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好 我們第16案的主決議改為書面報告修正通過第17案8 建議文字修正在倒數第三行的部分建請交通部航港局協同台灣港澳公司增加協同台灣港澳公司的文字這個有跟那個提案委員溝通嗎有跟那個提案委員溝通 以他獲得同意 |
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各位委員就是我們的倒數第三行原遣交通部航港局協同臺灣港務公司積極督促就是文字上的修正各位委員如果沒有意見的話我們就修正通過好第十八案 |
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10案通過19案報告 進行專案改書面好 我們改為書面報告那我們就修正通過好 各位委員接下來我們看 |
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台灣港務公司主席我在第七案啊因為剛剛講說統一處理啊那統一沒有處理的話這邊凍結5%還是還是如果不處理我就保留到這個沒有沒有沒有凍結5%嘛第幾案第七案第七案第七案 |
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好啦 凍結5%啦給盧委員一個面子 凍結5%用順便報告三個月內提出來啦提順便報告 使得動之然後再使得動之 好不好盧委員感謝盧委員感謝盧委員好 謝謝盧委員謝謝張惠也 謝謝盧委員好 各位委員我們現在看台灣港務公司 |
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各位委員我們接下來輪到台灣港務公司我們先介紹列席人員首先我們歡迎周永輝董事長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
17256.427 |
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好 我們會計處的資深處長陳政委陳處長好 各位委員那我們看台灣港務公司我們先看營業收入第一到二案我們變案處理來 魯明哲委員好 謝謝主席我提的是第一案 |
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最主要上次在質詢的時候特別跟港澳公司就談過這些問題你們也發覺確實這個是有一點情況就已經編這個預算勞務收入這個占卜收入旅客服務相關的一個收入在過去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
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好幾年都編了四千多萬但實際的決算大概兩百多萬到四百多萬大概你們真的決算就差不多不到十分之一那降德的部分我就覺得預算編列我們希望能夠核實編列經過幾年的體驗它確實這張服務它萎縮或者 |
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| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
17314.905 |
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沒有需要這個部分我們希望能夠核實編列好那這個部分所以我提凍結10%也希望我們港部公司來說明那在今年度或者未來如果確實他的能量並沒有那麼高我們希望這個預算不要變那麼高以上說明是謝謝港部公司要說明嗎 |
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是就是尊重委員的提醒我要說明一下就是說我們在預判2016年度開始就核實調整那麼過去確實有這種情況但是因為我們是CIQS很多是在其他單位所以我們在相關單位的配合我們以後會加把勁也特別謝謝魯明哲委員的提示 |
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那這個我們還是希望能夠冰岸凍結兩千萬然後我們提書面報告不是 我跟大家說因為這是稅路齁你稅路用凍結是不是怪怪的非常奇怪 對對啊 稅路怎麼凍結稅路稅路是一般是不會用組密對啦 你是要把它檢列嘛 |
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剪裂2000萬收入我們還是剪裂多少來你的能力委員2000萬可以嗎好那港澳公司也同意那我們的一到二案就並案處理我們港灣建設計畫的稅率就剪裂2000萬好各位我們現在看第三到四案並案處理各位有意見嗎 |
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針對第三案的部分三到四案啊三三三跟四案嘛對嗎啊第三案第三案啊第三案啊來第三案提案委員黃委員不在呢有沒有要幫他拍眼的 |
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來你們跟黃委員有跟趙偉有溝通過嗎也是有溝通對他也同意刪除那個經同意這三個字有同意嗎有同意 |
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這個也是收入耶 收入要凍結喔你們自己講啦 檢列多少我就建議這個就不要凍結了 然後我們就改書面報告就改書面報告好不好我們的第三案我不能幫提交委員決定了那第三案我們就是 |
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不予處理啦好不好各位謝謝好我們第4案到第11案我們合併來處理各位4到11案有意見嗎請各位 |
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好如果沒有意見的話我們4-11案就不處理我們看第12-20案營業費用我們也合併處理12-20案請各位看12-20案各位有意見嗎 |
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沒有的話那我們就不處理21案跟22案我們並案處理請各位有意見嗎好 盧明哲委員對 盧委員的提議22案好 謝謝主席提的22案最主要是你們一個投資案事實上我們有很多一個公司我個人特別專注說你在本業以外投資 |
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那這個部分你們的投資跟港務看起來並沒有很直接的關係你們投資的主要是台灣智慧電能股份有限公司所以我們在幾個月前我們就非常非常擔心因為當時呢他們的這個現在叫前總經理前總經理 正總經理因為社會貪腐這個的部分已經 |
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事實上已經進入司法的一個部分所以這很明顯在公司他有一個存在治理風險畢竟總經理如果遇到一些問題他相關的在制度甚至有一些下屬可能連結都是一個風險那我覺得港澳公司經營本業那在這樣的一個情況之下有沒有必要來進行這樣的一個直接的一個投資那我覺得我個人是存在疑慮的 |
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那我這個部分我就提案凍結10%然後提出專案報告使得凍結 |
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跟委員報告一下這個部分因為我們是要做綠色港口那有很多岸電然後台資電的部分其實我們有通盤的一個考慮那細節的部分我請王總經理跟你報告那第二個我要報告一下因為這次投資案基本上經過董事會一個很長時間的審慎的一個討論 |
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那麼確實有衡量但是我覺得不能因業廢死就是說因為司法雖然台積電本身有一些在司法的一個進行那但是他完全這個案子是我們台灣港公司本於自己希望能夠走向智慧港口綠色港口那我們也需要這樣子的一個這個業外的這個投資這是純粹是站在 |
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台灣港澳公司未來長期的一個發展那麼也希望委員能夠支持那有關於當初的細節的部分我請王總監理還是跟您報告跟委員補充報告齁台積電目前的營業都是正常的啦齁那另外就是說他的股東都是用電大戶包括日夜光 聯電 |
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台達電這些上市公司上市上櫃公司其實是連連強強強聯手為什麼因為他們需要綠電那港屋公司就如同董事長剛剛報告的我們要岸電我們要很多的綠電還有包括我們未來行商三大國輪也要用岸電用綠電所以呢 |
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我們如果能夠入股的話等於有掌控權另外第二個就是說我們入股的要求我們會要求有一席董事所以我們在董事會會有等於有監督的權利所以說應該是在經營上不會有太有困難有問題那另外就是說 |
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他那邊寫的所謂避鎖期其實是為了這些大股東希望穩定能夠拿到綠電所以避鎖期是好事而不是是去限縮我們的權利跟股權的問題所以說 |
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拜託委員能夠支持 謝謝好 陸委員好 謝謝主席其實我的建議是因為你們公司的一個決策經過董事會 經過很多的考量但是可能也有一些上級政治的一個使命因素 |
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但是最終的一個結局你們都要去為這個公司再做一個負責當然國家的一個用電開始逐步在轉變要綠電的部分未來核能搞不好會變成綠電第二個是我們也聽到了機場公司也要變成全世界綠能示範一個集體跟你們港口的概念一樣但他不一定要去加入要去投資變成這一家綠能公司一個股東這是兩回事 |
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這是兩回事那我們希望說你們這個是經過真的去考量不要經過幾年之後我們在算這筆帳的時候你最後跟我們講說抱歉當時考慮的不清楚那我這個專案報告變書面報告凍結10%應該沒問題吧好 謝謝啦那我們就遵照盧委員的提案各位我們第22案我們就凍結1000萬 |
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凍結1000萬差不多10%啦凍結1000萬那請一個月內向加農委員會提一個月內可以提書面報告後 使得凍資報告一下就可以如果有需要的話 堅決的話我們就修正通過各位有沒有其他意見的話那接下來我們就看第23到26案各位有沒有意見 |
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好沒有意見的話那我們就不處理喔好各位我們看27案開始的組決議27案港澳公司 |
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二十七案遵照辦理通過二十八案遵照辦理通過二十九案遵照辦理通過三十案修改文字就是跟那個航港局一樣第三十案修正在最後倒數第三行並提出適當之補償方案以彌補當地漁民 |
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漁業權被限制之損失這幾個文字刪除其他這個航港局是同案好那我們第三十案修正通過各位我們看三十一案三十一案建議就是要求修正那邊開始刪除到條款倒數第二行要求修正 |
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要求修正式要求修正式約中不合理之限縮權利條款這幾個文字刪除然後最後改為書面報告好各位那我們修正通過第32案遵照辦理通過33案30號遵照辦理通過34案30號遵照辦理35案 |
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遵照辦理通過36案那個專案報告最後4個字啊專案改為書面報告36案修正通過37案專案改為書面報告修正通過38案 |
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也是一樣 中案改為書面報告 38案修正通過 39案39案就是遵照辦理 但是他那個最後編列欲是不是少一個算遵照 編列欲算對 我們 謝謝遵照辦理那我們修正通過啦 那少寫一個字好 第 |
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40案遵照辦理通過41案遵照辦理通過42案遵照辦理通過43案就最後一行提出書面報告就這樣改書面43案 |
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改為書面報告修正通過44案謝謝委員那也是一樣就是最後提出書面報告改為書面報告修正通過45案謝謝委員我們也是最後一行45案各位委員一樣改為書面報告修正通過感謝委員謝謝謝謝召委謝謝各位委員謝謝 |
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好跟委員會報告各位我們協商完成做以下的宣告今日協商結論免以宣讀我們授權議事人員整理作為決議列入紀錄委員要求提供的書面報告及相關資料請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆如有委員對於提案補簽列入紀錄並刊登公報 |
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那針對本日會議我們也做以下的決議第一本日預算審查結果照協商結論通過第二本日通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整 |
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第三 我們115年度交通部中央氣象署 觀光署及所屬 公路局及所屬 航港局單位預算直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款 交通部主管第二幕至第四幕航港建設基金非營業預算及台灣港務股份有限公司營業預算審查完畢 散會 |