| IVOD_ID |
17460 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17460 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-22T08:33:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-22T15:37:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:03:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60969c547e6419646529036db765d14502c601341028818003d3a86eaf61edbe8185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月26日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:33:47 - 15:37:00 |
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主席、福音同仁、媒體朋友及全國民眾大家好賴清德總統近日發表就職週年演說大談經濟成長、產業升級、科技發展但非常遺憾的是對於日益嚴峻的極端氣候衝擊、山林保育、國土韌性與原鄉安全問題整場演說卻隻字未提 |
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1655.046 |
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1671.457 |
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本席提醒真正的韧性国家不只是GDP成长更重要的是人民能否安全地生活去年多次台风与豪雨重创花东与西南部地区山区土石流暴露中断艳色湖风险 |
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1672.398 |
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1694.89 |
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逼迷堆置至今部分地區仍在復原許多原住民族部落位於極端氣候衝擊的第一線但中央在國土韌性與山林治理上的整體策略明顯不足本期近情關係的災後復原的問題是內外水治理堤防河川與外水治理屬於經濟部水利署 |
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1695.47 |
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1719.597 |
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聚落排水、建地安全与都市排水则涉及了国土管理署与地方政府这次马太安溪艳色湖重建本席实地的观察河道淤积、堤防脆弱、聚落排水阻塞与道路侧沟淤泥其实都是联动的问题灾区近期又淹水这原因就是洪灾留下来的泥沙与淤塞排水系统 |
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1720.457 |
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1738.51 |
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導致強降雨時雨水無法順利排出目前的問題在於堤防或許加高了但排水處理不周河道清一了但是見地與道路排水沒有納入因此本席必須要呼籲政府來加強全國河川的流域治理 |
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1739.21 |
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1768.79 |
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上游水土保持中游防洪下游都市排水跟聚落排水要建立跨部会的整合不能只依照行政区划或部会权责来切割处理极端气候已经不是未来的风险而是现在正在发生的事实当暴雨强度越来越高灾害频率越来越密集政府若只有把防灾视为单次灾后的处理而没有建立长期的国土治理思维未来只是会付出更高的代价 |
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1769.33 |
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1795.845 |
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甚至當治水與國土韌性沒有辦法同步提升的時候台灣引以為傲的科技產業與關鍵供應鏈也可能暴露在更高的風險之中各位同仁原鄉不能只有在災害的時候才被國家看到韌性國家不是只有科技韌性產業韌性更包括了國土韌性跟人民的安全本席呼籲政府應該重新來檢視國家氣候韌性政策 |
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1797.106 |
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1807.412 |
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讓原鄉安全、山林治理與極端氣候的調適,漸漸成為國家發展的重要核心,而不是在總統演說當中成為被遺忘的角落。 |
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主席還有各位委員大家好我今天要跟大家分享的題目是護理人員超時工作但卻沒有拿到加班費的困境 |
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1842.659 |
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1869.638 |
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我們先講加班的門檻勞工每天正常工時是8個小時超過8個小時繼續上班這段時間稱之為延長工時就是俗稱的加班如果僱主要讓勞工加班前提是要經過工會還有勞資會議的通過接著讓我們來講加班的時數上限勞工每天正常工時連同延長工時不得超過12個小時 |
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1871.139 |
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1899.022 |
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換言之加班的上限就是4小時接著讓我們來講加班費的計算勞工如果有加班的事實那麼僱主就應該要給付加班費加班費如何計算以護理人員為例如果護理人員的時薪是300元加班費的計算方式就是前兩個小時加班費的計算方式就是按原來的薪水再多給三分之一 |
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1899.562 |
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1921.997 |
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也就是400元所以第一個小時跟第二個小時的加班費分別就是400後兩個小時的加班費如何計算計算的方式就是按照原來的薪資再多給三分之二就是500所以第三個小時跟第四個小時的加班費分別就是500跟500接著讓我們來講罰則如果今天僱主讓勞工工作 |
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1927.503 |
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1945.871 |
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加班沒有經過勞資會議或工會的同意又或者今天勞工正常工時連同延長工時超過12個小時又或者僱主沒有給付加班費給勞工在這三種情形僱主就會違反勞基法79條的規定被處以2萬到100萬的罰款接著讓我們來講現況 |
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1951.213 |
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1971.08 |
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衛福部有設置一個叫做護理職場爭議通報平台在這個平台當中被投訴的案件從以前到現在累積4545件最常見的爭議案件第一是利家日的工作第二常見的爭議是延長工時第三常見的爭議是 |
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1972.881 |
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1988.146 |
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未給付加班費所以延長工時跟未給付加班費是護理界很常見的困境所以我們在這邊呼籲勞動部應該要加強勞檢揪出讓護理人員違法加班進而沒給付加班費的僱主 |
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2016.498 |
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這樣才能夠杜絕護理人員超時工作而拿不到薪水的一個困境最後我們要呼籲行政院長不要計較護理師國考考題的難易度應該把心思放在改革護理血汗的勞動職場三幫互併筆只是踏出第一步我們在野黨聯手幫賴清德實現政見接下來還有很多未經之功要努力謝謝好 謝謝邱惠如委員發言 謝謝 |
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2018.328 |
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2020.616 |
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我們接下來請張志龍委員請發言陳金威委員請準備 |
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2035.458 |
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2055.758 |
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院長各位同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安大家好台灣的少子化問題早已成為刻不容緩的國安危機根據內政部最新數據台灣總生育率已經暴跌至0.695人正式取代南韓成為全球 |
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2056.403 |
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2083.685 |
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生育率最低的國家面對如此嚴峻的考驗執政黨宣稱有編列預算但自民國107年以來總體預算逼近6000億的高峰換來卻是出生率雪崩式的墜落證明了沒有整體策略缺乏有效追蹤我們的成效絕不叫政策而是叫做盲目大傻逼 |
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2084.426 |
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2101.452 |
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近期賴總統拋出0到18歲每人5000元的成長津貼的政策本席與國民黨黨團都感到非常的榮幸因為這正是國民黨團早已大聲疾呼甚至由本黨同仁率先提出的政策 |
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2102.212 |
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2116.465 |
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執政黨願意從善如流本席也樂觀其成然而正如本席一直強調的執政黨只將資源放在現金撒網而避談職場友善的環境的建構 |
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2117.205 |
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2135.98 |
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托嬰托幼的量能的不足對年輕世代未來的焦慮再多的預算恐怕也難以扭轉台灣長期以來少子化冰河期的殘酷事實民進黨政府應該扪心自問發放今天以後家長們是否就能安心的照顧 |
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2136.56 |
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工作或是育兒這都是無法用單一補貼的政策來掩蓋的結構性的事實針對這高達2000億預算的兒少成長津貼目前行政院提出的規劃僅有0到6歲全額發放現金6到18歲半存半領 |
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2187.994 |
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將部分資金存入未來基金帳戶作為升學或創業職用的初步構想除此之外成長經濟的政策目前缺乏詳盡的配套措施與細節本席要提醒賴總統話不能只是說得漂亮更要做得扎實配套政策的落地執行才是真正的考驗所在因此本席強烈呼籲行政院必須以最快的速度 |
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提供完整具體並可行的配套方案確保每一分的民脂民膏都能發揮實質效益投資孩子就是投資國家的未來只要對人民有益的法案本席與國民黨團一定會全力支持少子化問題不能一拖再拖請政府展現負責任的態度讓台灣的下一代看見真正的希望謝謝 |
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2219.225 |
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2236.995 |
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好謝謝張志倫委員的發言抱怨會現在我們在議場二樓旁邊來自高雄大學法律系碩士在職專班所有的同學我們掌聲歡迎各位同學接下來我們請陳金威委員發言侯孟凱委員請準備 |
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2246.4 |
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2269.695 |
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主席各位委員各位官員還有媒體朋友以及來自高雄的學生朋友們大家早安今天本席希望來解釋一下為什麼賴清德總統施政兩週年就職兩週年他的滿意度會這麼低呢首先我們必須理解一個總統的滿意度高是因為他的施政很好 |
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2270.495 |
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2291.25 |
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但為什麼會低呢就是因為在滿意跟不滿意之間選擇不滿意的人已經超越了選擇滿意的人所以在滿意度的生態系當中啊賴清德的滿意度很低這是AI分析出來的人民之錘重重的敲在賴清德的滿意度上 |
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2292.151 |
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2311.297 |
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其實我也知道賴清德總統一直在思考民眾的期待為何沒被滿足這是一個相對的問題因為期待是一個心理狀態現實是物質狀態這兩者如果沒有對齊的話就會陷入一個無限程的輪迴 |
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2331.455 |
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當期待走得比現實還快現實就沒有辦法跟期待對齊所以賴總統的滿意度低我們必須要讓滿意度低的人去對齊滿意度高的人這樣子滿意度的生態系才會達到一個正向無限程的輪迴 |
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2332.876 |
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2347.064 |
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民眾期待政府做正事但賴清德卻是搞大罷免當期待的事情沒有發生而發生的事超乎了預期這就叫現實沒有對其期待滿意度自然就不高 |
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2347.924 |
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2362.024 |
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而賴總統為什麼發動大罷免呢是因為他知道在國會表決會輸為什麼會輸是因為他的票不夠多為了讓不夠多的票變多啊就必須要讓對手的票變少 |
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當對手的票變少自己的票變多本來會輸的表決才會變成會贏的表決這就是賴清德必勝的生態系這也是賴清德最期待的三度空間治理能力 |
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| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2406.562 |
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大罷免之所以會讓滿意度下降是因為造成了勞民傷財還有社會撕裂當社會因為大罷免變成了大撕裂就會讓台灣這整個生態系空轉一年當政府的作為沒有對其人民的期待大罷免最終當然是大失敗大撕裂在賴清德的滿意度生態系當中當然也是大失敗 |
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2424.714 |
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如果賴總統跟民進黨可以聽得懂以上的建議那就表示他們擁有崇高的靈魂並且會情不自禁的流下眼淚如果他們聽不懂的話那最終最後兩年他的施政滿意度只會越來越低謝謝大家 |
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2449.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2455.354 |
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主席以及政府官員還有立院先進同仁高雄的同學好朋友大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2457.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2474.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
在一次強調利用國事論壇裡面要表達我們對於政府要打擊詐騙的決心沒有看到沒有看到積極的作為沒有看到應有想要跟詐騙集團決議使戰的決心讓人民的權利誰來照顧 |
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2476.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2503.285 |
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前天5月20號總統就職兩週年我也欣欣期盼總統對於民怨最高的打擊詐騙的議題能夠提出正面回應直球對決但很遺憾並沒有看到這樣的一個新聞而查一下賴清德總統打擊詐騙的新聞居然要追溯到一年多之前2025年的4月而當時賴清德總統出席一個 |
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2504.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2532.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
打詐論壇還用了地獄不空事不成佛這句話話說得很好聽啊但是過去了這一年多的時間詐騙集團依然猖獗依然放爛甚至在上個禮拜政府公布的打詐儀表版光上個禮拜就高達3100多件的詐騙案件每一件背後都是一個破碎的家庭每一件都是人民的納稅錢我們要請教 |
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2534.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2544.491 |
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地獄空了沒賴清德總統 卓榮泰院長我們所有的行政官員你們現在在好意思面對全國國人嗎 |
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2546.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2568.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我們也看到其實重點在於是過去到現在我們一直要求源頭管理非常重要而Meta公司現在被美國加州法告上法院就爆出說Meta其實在知情之下刻意從大量詐騙廣告取得巨額收益網紅Alan更是有他的臉書專頁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2591.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
把過去他觀察的事情給揭露出來也獲得了高度的討論但我們看到的是打炸中心提出防炸四大方向姑且不論打炸中心是不是突然醒了這四大方向包括需要從監測系統來去做處理以及社群媒體平台 |
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2591.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2620.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
被詐騙集團冒名開設粉磚還是Meta如果持續不作為就應該要採取一案一罰的態度這些不都是過去到現在政府告訴我們應該要做的方向嗎怎麼會突然間在今年5月21號打炸中心才醒過來但更令人諷刺的是不到一天的時間數位發展部就說Meta有下架了所以持續要跟它努力來防炸 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2620.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2640.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
防炸 防炸 已經講了多少次的口號打炸拜託不要再用口號了做點實際的行為 實際的動作真真正正的面對問題 解決問題吧謝謝好 謝謝洪孟愷委員的發言 謝謝接下來請今天登記最後一位登記第六號 羅志強委員請發言 |
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中央擺爛10年密室逃脫奪命台北市密室逃脫店螺絲起子員工辦吊死鬼不慎遭道具勒緊死亡這起意外讓我們看清楚中央主管機關10年的行政怠惰早在2017年 2018年 |
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林立財 林維周等國民黨立委就已經在立法院要求中央替密室逃脫來訂立規範但是民進黨執政10年整整躺平10年2017年台北市政府曾要求業者依法規做休閒文教類場所的D1公共安全申報 |
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當時的業者不服提出訴願結果竟然台北市政府敗訴業者免罰也不用申報等於是無需要做所謂的D1的公共安全申報因為中央沒有明確定義密室逃脫算不算D1市府沒有法源強制業者做公安申報 |
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這在當年發生了這樣的一個缺口2018年內政部還開會討論所有地方政府全部一致建議一定要把密室逃脫列入需要強制的公安申報的D1類組而會議結論也直接寫要以不令函頒布實施結果呢十年過去內政部帶落至今 |
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到現在都沒有正式頒布令函讓地方無所適從台北市政府在意外發生後勞檢熱力停業重罰70萬 |
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第一個週末啟動全市普查總計開罰一百零四萬也要求業者強制投保公共意外責任險昨天更發布全國第一個沉浸式內容體驗產業安全指引我要說的是今天中央不做只能讓地方來做可是十年的破口難道我們的中央政府沒有去思考是誰造成這個悲劇嗎 |
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卓文泰去年還跟Youtuber大玩密室逃脫鼓勵文化幣用在密室逃脫產業還說發紅包他很快樂文化部也說密室逃脫很適合青年跟朋友但是安全誰來顧啊十年了中央什麼時候要動起來訂定全國一致的規範我真的拜託我們的民進黨中央政府不要再睡了趕快訂規範 |
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好 謝謝樓志強委員的發言我們現在登記國事論壇發言的委員已經發言完畢請各黨團幹部上午十點整到議場後方主席辦公室我們要進行本次會議議程之溝通現在休息 |
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好 我們請民進黨報告出席人數報告院會出席委員60人已足法定人數報告院會我們本次會議的議程有待溝通現在再一次請各黨團幹部至議場後方主席辦公室我們要進行溝通現在休息 |
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報名會我們繼續開會因為程旭文會以本次會議的意思是一層草案送院會處理現在有黨團依照本院意識成立對本次會議意思是一層草案提出異議現在我們進行處理並截止收案報名會現在有黨團共事如下共計四點一一層草案確認循例一提案先後進行處理二各黨團同意本次會議討論事項緊列案如下第一案行政院專案報告案 |
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第二台美合作決議案三新增一般提案兩案均不做提案說明大體討論各案分由黨團各推派一位委員發言每人發言時間三分鐘發言完畢之後我們均不再表決近乎二讀交付協商 |
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四 今日上午院會進行自討論事項處理完畢後即休息下午我們要繼續進行社會福利及衛生環境組織諮詢諮詢完畢後即休息當次會議不再處理臨時提案我們本次會議的後續議程就依照黨團共識來進行我們先進行報告事項部分請議事人宣讀黨團之提議內容 |
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| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
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本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第五會期第十一次會議議事日程報告事項諮詢事項擬請整列報告事項三十一案如附表是否有當進行公決本院民進黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第十一次會議議事日程報告事項諮詢事項及對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續諮詢提議僅限列議程草案及下板所列實施案是否有當進行公決本院國民黨黨人 |
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現在開始按鈴 |
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好 請問各位委員是否都有拿到表決卡好 都有拿到 我們要開始進行表決報言會 我們現在針對民進黨團提議要進行表決現在有民進黨團 台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成民進黨提議 請按贊成反對 按反對 時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
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報告院會我們報告表決結果在場出席委員105位贊成49位反對56位贊成則少數民進黨黨團提議不通過我們現在處理台灣民眾黨團僅限列提議國民黨團與該黨團提議相同我們一併進行處理請問院會 |
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對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議通過有無異議反對我們要進行表決現在針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議進行表決現在民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決暫時暫時反對暫時反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報應會報告表決結果出席委員105位贊成56位反對49位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議照案通過本次會議議事程報告事項質詢事項及對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議通過報應會本次會議議事程討論事項依照黨團共識通過本次會議議事程確定 |
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我們開始進行報告事項 請民主黨宣讀第五會期第十次會議議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第五會期第十次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十二年五月十五日十九日二十日地點本院議場出席委員換委員允等一百十二人請假委員陳委員一貞 列席官員行政院長卓榮泰等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
主席院長韓國瑜 副院長江啟臣包括事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第五會期第九次會議議事錄決定第二至一百九十二案其中第一百五十萬至一百六十萬案為交通委員會等所提出報告案第一百九十四案決定依黨團協商結論處理其他議案均決定交互相關委員會審查或交互相關委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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諮詢事項行政院答案部分五件討論事項第一案決議通過第二案決議另定其處理行政院長提出施政完成及施政報告繼續質詢決定下次會議進行社會福利及衛生環境組織質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
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總統彈劾案事項決議彈劾案不通過行政院長提出採購特別預算案籌備相關事項專案報告並答覆執行行政院長等類型報告 |
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一百十五年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對等戰略計畫採購特別預算案編制經過並答覆執行決定交財政委員會同有關委員會審查其他事項一一百十五年五月四五日十九日朝夕黨團協商結論共三件二本次會議四日成照台灣民眾黨黨團 |
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國民黨黨團提議及五月十五日協商結論通過宣讀完畢報議會針對第五會期第十次會議議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤遺漏之處我們現在做以下決定第五會期第十次會議議事錄確定現在處理針對部分請宣讀第一案一 委員葛如軍等你據預算法增訂第七三條之一條文草案擬交財政委員會審查宣斷必報議會 |
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報告四項第一案有國民黨團體禁負二讀相關提案並案協商請問願會有無異沒異本案禁負二讀相關提案並案協商下議案二五委員徐巧欣等你據隱藏式攝影器材管理及防制虧事法草案你將內政委員會審查宣斷並願會有無異無異通過下議案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
3.委員翁曉琳等你據《大陸交通管理處罰條例》第45條條文修正草案你交交通委員會審查宣斷並4. |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
7982.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
委員翁曉琳等你據《就業保險法》第19條之一條文修正草案你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣斷並5. |
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7982.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
7986.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
委員林倩琪等你據《公務法》部分條文修正草案你交交通委員會審查宣斷並 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
7988.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
8014.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
6.委員林慶祺等理據原住民族教育法部分條文修正草案擬交教育及文化內政兩委會審查宣斷並7.委員鄭天才等理據能源管理法第二條條文修正草案擬交經濟委員會審查宣斷並8.委員鄭天才等理據原住民族教育法第26條條文修正草案擬交教育及文化內政兩委會審查宣斷並9.委員王宏偉等理據土石採取法第36條條文修正草案擬交經濟委員會審查宣斷並 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
8015.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
8040.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
10.委員徐欣盈等女居兒童及少年福利與全域保障法第25條及第26條條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳並11.委員林一金等女居原住民族教育法徵訂第44條之1條文草案擬交教育及文化內政兩委會審查宣傳並12.委員林楚英等女居台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第9條之3條文修正草案擬交內政委員會審查宣傳並 |
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| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
8067.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
十三 行政院函勤審議能源管理法部分條文修正草案 擬交經濟委員會審查宣斷必十四 考試院函勤審議公務人員考棋法修正草案 擬交司法及法治委員會審查宣斷必通過我們本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄次序我們授權議事處進行調整現在繼續處理原列報告事項 請宣讀第二案 |
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8076.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
2.委員羅美玲等你居大學法第25條條文修正常案你交教育警話委員會審查宣傳令3. |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
8076.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
8083.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
委員羅美玲等你居中華民國刑法第80條條文修正常案你交司法及法治委員會審查宣傳令4. |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
8083.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
8090.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
委員羅美玲等你居中華民國刑法施行法第8條之2條文修正常案你交司法及法治委員會審查宣傳令 |
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8092.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
8112.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
五 委員呂玉玲等你具勞動基準法第四十條及第四十條之一條文修正草案你將受惠福利及威懲環境委員會審查宣斷並六 委員呂玉玲等你具身心障礙者權益保障法第十六條條文修正草案你將受惠福利及威懲環境委員會審查宣斷並國民黨團體禁服二讀相關提案並案協商請問願會有無異議任意本案禁服二讀相關提案並案協商下議案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
8147.167 |
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7.委員黎思明等領據《產業創新條例》第10條條文修正常案擬交經濟財政兩委會審查宣導第8.委員葉元之等領據《大學法》第35條條文修正常案擬交生化域及文化委員會審查宣導第9.委員葉元之等領據《高級中等教育法》第58條條文修正常案擬交教育及文化委員會審查宣導第10.委員葉元之等領據《專科學校法》第44條條文修正常案擬交教育及文化委員會審查宣導第 |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
8163.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
11.委員書籌會等擬具加值型及非加值型營業稅法第13條及40條文修正常案擬交財政委員會審查宣傳令12.委員油耗等擬具性別平等工作法第19條文修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令 |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
十三 委員柯之恩等擬具動物保護法部份條文修正草案擬交經濟委員會審查宣傳令十四 委員黃修芳等擬具陸海空軍刑法第五四條條文修正草案擬交司法及法治外交及國防兩委會審查宣傳令十五 委員黃修芳等擬具中華民國刑法第185條之三條文修正草案擬交司法及法治委員會審查宣傳令 |
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16.委員黃修芳等女巨醫事檢驗司法第12條條文修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查續待並17.委員賴銳榮等女巨中華民國刑法第185條之3條文修正常案擬交司法及法治委員會審查續待並 |
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| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
8227.102 |
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18.委員歐曉林等領據《兒童及少年福利與權益保障法》第27條條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣論幣19.委員王玉敏等領據《公眾騷擾防治法》部分條文修正草案擬交內政社會福利及衛生環境兩委會審查宣論幣20.委員王玉敏等領據《身心障礙者權益保障法》部分條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣論幣 |
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8227.822 |
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8238.604 |
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抱怨會第二十案國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請院會有異議沒有議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商 下一案 |
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8240.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
8267.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
21.委員王月明等你據施濟政經一本法草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳幣22.委員魯明哲等你據動物保護法第2條條文修正草案擬交經濟委員會審查宣傳幣23.委員魯明哲等你據政府採購法第98條條文修正草案擬交交通委員會審查宣傳幣24.委員魯明哲等你據就業服務法第52條條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳幣 |
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8268.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
8287.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
二十五委員魯明哲等你據氣候變遷因應法第五條條文修正草案你將社會福利及衛生環境經濟財政內政交通教育及文化六委會審查宣傳並二十六委員魯明哲等你據性侵害犯罪防治法第二十九條條文修正草案你將社會福利及衛生環境司法及法治兩委會審查宣傳並 |
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8289.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
8303.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
無意通過抱怨會我們在議場二樓旁聽來自新北市康橋國際學校的老師跟同學我們掌聲歡迎各位同學下議案無意通過下議案無意通過下議案 |
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8319.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
8329.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
29.委員中羅廷偉等你據《偏遠地區學校教育發展條例》第15條及第17條條文修正草案 寧交教育及文化委員會審查宣傳並30. |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
8329.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
8338.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
大陸委員會含送財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會114年度決算書及監察報告書案 寧交內政委員會審查宣傳並 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
8340.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
8360.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
31.國家科學及技術委員會含送財團法人國家實驗研究院及財團法人國家同步輻射研究中心114年度決算書案擬交教育及文化委員會審查宣傳令32.勞動部含送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度決算書案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
8362.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
8373.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
三十三 客家委員會函送六堆客家文化園區露營區收費標準刊物表 擬交內政委員會宣傳幣三十四 僑務委員會修正僑務委員會合法華僑身份證明書 規費收費標準擬交外交及國安委員會宣傳幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
8382.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
8399.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
三十五 經濟部函說飲食檢驗發光二極體LED光源控制裝置商品之相關檢驗規定 擬交經濟委員會宣傳並三十六 經濟部修正特定工廠申請變更編定為特定目的事業用地審查辦法第十二條條文 擬交經濟委員會宣傳並 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
8402.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
8426.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
三十七 農業部修正農業部農田水利署彰化管理處農田水利事業區域擬交經濟委員會宣討案例三十八 經濟部修正農業部農業部農田水利署高雄管理處農田水利事業區域擬交經濟委員會宣討案例三十九 農業部修正公告美國阿肯色州內布拉斯加州為高病原性家庭流行性感冒非疫區擬交經濟委員會宣討案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
8429.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
8446.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
40 農業部修正網際網路內容 涉及境外因施減異物販賣至國內及或輸入時應採取措施第五點規定 擬交經濟委員會宣傳並41 財政部喊握機動調降普特蘭一型水泥 汽油及柴油貨物稅應徵稅額 擬交財政委員會宣傳並 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
8449.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
8469.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
四十二 教育部罕為本院制定青年基本法通過附帶決議減送強化青年身心健康與權益保障書面報告 擬交教育及文化委會宣傳幣四十三 行政院罕為中華民國一百十五年二月四日修正公佈之香港法第二條及第五十三條條文定制一百十五年六月一日施行 擬交交通委會宣傳幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
8470.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
8491.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
四十四 行政院修正管制藥品分級及品項 部分分級及品項 並至一百十五年三月十九日生效 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳筆四十五 交通部函送民間參與交通建設及觀光油氣設施接管營運辦法第三條修正條文及對照表刊物表 擬交交通委員會宣傳筆 |
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8495.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
8503.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
46.省基部含送省基部聯合省基發展委員會組織章程擬交司法及法制財政聯盟委員會宣托完畢違通過下一項47. |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
8503.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
8520.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
環境部修正一次性塑膠吸管限制使用對象及實施方式擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣托完畢外匯會第47案國民黨團體要改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一項 |
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8520.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
8536.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
四 把衛生福利部修正 乳品加工 食品業應符合食品安全管制系統準則之規定 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳筆報應會第48案 現在由國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一案 |
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8538.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
8554.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
49.衛生福利部修正陸內加工食品業應符合食品安全管制系統準則之規定,已交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳畢報言會第49案現在由國民黨黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
8556.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
8570.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
50 衛生福利部修正水產加工食品業應符合食品安全管制系統準則之規定已交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣討案例委員會本案國民黨團提議改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一案 |
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8571.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
8597.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
五十一衛生福利部含衛罐頭食品工廠應符合食品安全管制系統準則之規定名稱修正為熱殺菌密閉容器包裝低酸性食品及酸化食品工廠應符合食品安全管制系統準則之規定並修正規定你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳畢報議會第五十一案國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一項 |
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8597.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
8610.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
五十二 衛生福利部修正全民健康保險醫療服務給付項目及支付標準部分診療項目編制一百十五年四月一日生效 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
8613.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
8628.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
53 衛生福利部修正長期照顧服務人員訓練認證繼續教育及登錄辦法你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳幣發言會第53案由國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
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8631.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
8638.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
委員會第54案至154案依序宣讀其中第59、61、63至65、68至71、73至75、77至82、89、95、99、145至153案台灣民眾黨團體改交審查宣讀之後 |
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8655.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
8660.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
以上提案均改交相關委員會來審查其他議案均照議事處意見通過請問院會有無異議滅議宣讀之後通過請宣讀 |
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8667.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
8687.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
第54案及55案行政院、56案及57案不當黨參處理委員會、58案大陸委員會、59案及60案海洋委員會、61案內政部、62案國防部、63案及64案經濟部、65案公平交易委員會、66案及67案中央銀行、68案至70案文化部 |
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8688.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
8698.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
71 國家科學及技術委員會72 河南安全委員會73 及74 國立故宮博物院75 運動部76 交通部77 國家運輸安全調查委員會78 及79 國家通訊傳播委員會80 數位發展部81 及82 總統府83 監察院秘書長 |
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8709.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
8725.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
八四案至一百四十三案經濟部一百四四案行政院一百四十五案至一百四十七案行政院公共工程委員會一百四八案內政部一百四十九案及一百五十案經濟部一百五十一案及一百五十二案衛生福利部一百五十三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
8726.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
8754.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
環境部154案國家發展委員會韓國各年度相關預算114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算中央政府花蓮馬灘岸新菸澀湖災後重建特別預算等預算決議分別結束相關報告宣讀完畢國安委會第155案以下一併宣讀宣讀之後除第156案同意展延審查期限之外其餘個案我們均准予被查請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
8755.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
8784.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
第一百五十五案及一五六案為本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會函位用會交付審查相關行政命令已於法定展延審查及審查期限一五七案為行政院函位籌組財團法人公共電視文化事業基金會第八屆董事監察人審查委員會請本院補推舉八名審查委員一五八案為本院議事處會報各黨團參加第十一屆第五會期經費集合委員會委員名單宣讀完畢報言會林黛華委員發表聲明 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
8786.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
8812.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄委員會高金素梅委員發表聲明剛才的表決與國民黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄我們現在進入報告事項已經處理完畢現在進行討論事項第一案本院國民黨團台灣民眾黨團建請院會做成決議邀請行政院院長 |
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8813.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
8814.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
本院國民黨黨團 台灣民黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
8839.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
8853.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
台湾民众党党团有鉴于115年5月14日美国总统川普与中国国家主席习近平于北京举行川习会双方除了达成多项实质交易外川普更于会后专访明确表示对台军售施于 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
8854.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
8864.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
是與中國談判籌碼走向獨立是一件很危險的事不希望台灣走向獨立不願美國跋涉9500英里打仗並對DOP140億美元對台軍售案態度曖昧在川習會後針對台灣議題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
8869.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
8887.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
的相關言論特別是美國保衛臺灣出現質變的重大訊息充分顯示臺灣在美中強權的地緣政治博弈下恐如蒙威地域交換的籌碼持續將嚴重衝擊我國國家安全戰略與其兩岸關係外政府長期以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
8888.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
8917.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
灌输国人台美关系坚弱磐石台海发生冲突美军必定介入等单方面主观论述试图营造美国支持台湾的假象此政治话术遭美国总统川普亲自戳破让赖政府长期成立的抗中保台政治口号破功面对川普不支持台独不为台独而战不希望有人以美魔毒的严厉警告赖政府若仍致迷于台独预示形态持续误判国际情势甚至于未晓得 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
8918.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
8947.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
挑动两岸对立谋求政治利益恐将台湾推向战火边缘与极端险境持续四年的俄乌战争是前车之鉴此外川习会后知美中利益交换亦使我国外交与经贸面临严峻挑战在外交层面美方将台湾议题筹码化恐消弱友邦支持让我国外交陷入孤立在经贸方面川普将台湾安全与美国利益挂钩恐加速全球供应链去台湾化 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
8948.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
8969.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
嚴重打擊我國半導體產業讓我國經貿面臨邊緣化危機川習會後美中台三方局勢的劇烈變動對我造成的嚴重影響行政院局相關部會首長有責任與義務向全體國人說明相關因應作為原此建請國務院會作成決議邀請行政院院長應急率同大陸委員會國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
8970.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
8998.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
國防部 外交部及經濟部等相關部會首長就川習會後台美與兩岸局 事變局國安戰略 外交困境 經貿衝擊等之因應對策進行專案報告並被質詢是否有當進行公決 宣討案例報告委員會依照立法院之間新司法第八條第三項規定本案經提案人名說明提案子去大地討論之後我們即依決交付審查或禁覆二讀或不予審議現在依照黨團共識本案提案說明不再發言 |
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8998.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
9010.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我們開始進行大體討論現在依照黨團共識各黨團推派發言代表首先我們請范雲委員發言葛如君委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
9024.548 |
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9051.523 |
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院長還有各位委員大家好關於國民黨團民眾黨團針對本月北京舉行的川習會對兩岸關係跟國安戰略的影響要求行政院率相關部會首長來立院進行專案報告並備質詢我想這個提案我們民進黨團當然不反對雖然今年的總預算到現在快六月了都還沒審完 |
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可是只要是針對兩岸跟國安的議題想要深入討論我們的看法是越多越好只是我們觀察反對黨這兩天許多的質疑不管是質疑或者是憂慮美國的軍售會不會延遲從這個角度看我要說的是目前對台灣安全最迫切的危機 |
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并不是盟友的军售会不会延迟而是在野党正在大幅删减各项重要的国防装备以及把国防部它规划了两年国防自主的计划全部连根拔起这才是最迫切的危机我们可以看到这样子的一个删减的结果不只是国内失望让我们重要的国际盟友也表达失望 |
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媒體報導美國的高級官員他們說判未通過的部分也能到位我們仔細來看就是到底這樣子的一個刪減影響了什麼以國防部的規劃他的分析至少影響了五個重要的戰力第一 |
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它影響了防空作戰的效能因為強攻中程飛彈被刪除了第二個因為無人機無人艦等被刪除它影響了無人戰力產業鏈的建立第三延遲了人工智慧的發展第四它衝擊了產能擴充就是暫時需要的一個產能 |
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第五他不利於作戰任性跟不對稱戰力的成長那天在軍備預算的質詢的時候我問行政院長跟國防部長本來我們這次希望建立的台灣之盾會不會因為大腦指揮系統被刪除而被影響他們非常肯定的說的確受到很大的影響 |
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我想各位都已經看到在烏克蘭的經驗中東的經驗無人機產業非常的重要而它的製造成本甚至比一輛中古車還便宜我們也看到這次全數刪除最後我們想講的事情是連經濟學人都指出台灣本土廠商 |
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最擔心的政治因素就是因為這樣會導致國家的需求一年有一年沒有在地的非紅供應鏈高度的灌油我要說的是和平的文藝保障是實力呼籲藍白全力支持把安全補回來好謝謝范議員的發言我們在一朝二樓旁聽又有一批來自雲林縣魅力商圈團隊的好朋友們我們掌聲歡迎大家 |
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接下來我們請葛如君委員發言 劉淑斌委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
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院長 各位委員同仁以及正在收看廣播的全國民眾大家好今天這個議案不只是外交議題也不只是兩岸議題而是最重要的國安戰略的議題今天我們要問的是當台灣被放上美中談判桌的時候行政院準備好了嗎 |
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最近美中高層互動大家都看得非常清楚談的不是只有關稅不是只有農產品也不是只有外交辭令談的是稀土談的是半導體談的是AI算力談的是台灣軍售談的是印太安全 |
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換句話說台灣最重要的安全命脈科技命脈經濟命脈都可能被放進大國交易談判的框架當中本席今天要很嚴肅的來請教卓院長台灣到底是棋手還是籌碼台灣到底是在桌上參與決策還是在桌上被別人決定命運中華民國是一個非常特殊的國家我們的能源高度仰賴進口 |
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9308.993 |
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9337.996 |
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我們的經濟高度依賴出口能源靠進口經濟靠出口能源線航運線晶片線算力線任何一條線甚至網路線都可能被大國政治牽動受傷的會是台灣的人民受傷的會是台灣的產業所以我們不能只聽政府說放心而是要聽政府說清楚我們長期說台灣有戲盾但戲盾不應該是口號 |
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矽頓也不應該是神主牌矽頓真正的基礎是台灣擁有最先進的製程最先進的封裝研發能量工程人才完整的供應鏈生態系充足的能源才有可能存在可是現在人民擔心的是政府一方面說跟留台灣另外一方面卻沒有說清楚研發中心留多少高階人才留多少先進封裝留多少供應鏈留下多少 |
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能源算力到底夠不夠支撐成為科技核心本席要強調台積電走向世界不是壞事台灣企業全球佈局也不是壞事但政府不能傻傻的把企業的全球佈局直接包裝成外交勝利卻完全不告訴台灣到底換到了什麼台灣到底守住了什麼台灣到底失去了什麼 |
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一根大樹真正的根不只是插在土地裡的工廠真正的根是技術是人才是研發是供應鏈能源法治與國家戰略如果政府花大錢買斧頭還把斧頭交給他人把樹幹枝葉果實一段一段搬走只對人民說 |
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9412.671 |
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9415.052 |
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好謝謝葛如君委員的發言接下來登記第三號最後一位劉書斌委員請發言 |
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9445.455 |
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9472.124 |
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主席 各位同仁 早安上週川習會的舉行讓我們注意到台美跟國際關係已經面臨到重要的一個挑戰最重要的是我們看到川習會在會後川普說了一件很重要的事情是台灣對台軍售是中國談判的籌碼走向獨立是一件非常危險的事情 |
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不希望台灣走向獨立不願意美國跋涉9500英里去打仗並對DOP的1140億美元的對台軍售採取曖昧的態度雖然我們看到川普在討論當中說對這個軍購他會考慮跟那位治理的台灣的人來進行談話但是賴清德總統 |
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竟然變成川普口中的那一個人這是非常違反外交的禮儀的 |
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9532.392 |
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因此針對這樣的情形我們看到賴政府長期不斷的灌輸國人台美關係堅若磐石台海發生衝突美金必將介入這樣的斑斑論論述已經面臨到重大的挑戰也就是在川普考量到他美國的全球利益之下呢就這樣的發言被把他戳破了 |
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9559.215 |
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因此我們對於這樣的一個情形絕對是要有相當的一個反應我們特別指的是說要在這一周來面對這樣的情形那政府才在對國內的形勢對國外的形勢插指抹粉的來表示沒有這樣的事情尤其我們今天最重要看到一個訊息的是美國的海軍代理部長 |
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他已經在今21號的出席參議院的聽證會上表示由於川普與政府跟伊朗之間的戰爭美國正暫停這一項140億美元的對台軍售這樣的一個挑戰總統府的反應說我們還在等待 |
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最新的消息 這樣是真的有回應到民眾跟國家安全的需求嗎因此我們要求行政院盡速赴立法院進行專案報告完整來說明川普川習會後的國際情勢評估台美關係的互動現況軍購案的最新進度以及政府的整體因應戰略 |
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9623.77 |
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唯有資訊的公開 國會的監督 朝野共同面對才能夠真正的凝聚社會共識 守護台灣的安全與民主本是太平 是不能帶來台灣的安全的謝謝大家好 謝謝劉書斌委員的發言報告委員會現在有國民黨團體進覆二讀 |
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9628.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
9654.754 |
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依照黨團共識本案禁復二讀依據立法院職權行使法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在作以下決定交付黨團協商並由國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同負責召集協商我們現在進行討論事項第二案本院台灣民眾黨團建議院會作成決議外交部與國防部應敦促美方 |
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9668.923 |
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依既定時程履行軍購交付義務及外交部因促使台美繼續在各領域合作請公決案我們現在請議事人員宣讀題內容 |
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本院台湾民众党党团有见于美国国务院于今115年已陆续通过五项对台军购发架书LOA以具体行动支持我国强化自我防卫能力同时美国在台协会AIT及美国跨党派国会议员已多次公开表达对台军售之支持显示台美安全合作早已建立稳固互信与制度化基础 |
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9716.214 |
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為近期美國總統川普與中國國家主席習近平舉行雙標峰會前公開表示第二批對台軍售案之核定取決於中國並於專訪中將對台軍售形容為重要協商籌碼相關言論不僅偏離既有台美互動慣例亦有將對台安全承諾工具化籌碼化之餘嚴重動搖雙邊互信基礎 |
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9737.704 |
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台湾关系法及相关对台政策文件所揭示之原则与精神拥有甚者川普总统多次以小偷形容台湾晶片产业对我国人民常年努力所累积的经济成就与贬义不仅有违事实更对我国际形象与国家尊严造成 |
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造成负面影响与台美长期以来在高科技供应链及经贸合作上之伙伴关系相互判隔会确保并巩固台美民主伙伴关系之稳定发展并持续推动本愿于2026年5月8日通过之保卫国家安全及强化不对称战力计划采购特别条例避免因境外势力政治干扰而影响我国防自主与战力建构原建请愿会做成如下决议一 外交部与国防部应公开呼吁美方恪守 |
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既有對台政策基礎包括《台灣關係法》三個聯合公報及六項保證國防部應積極掌握並追蹤第二批軍購發加速進度敦促美防依既定時程履行交付義務確保我國防建設如期推進二 |
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我國長期作為美國重要經貿夥伴及軍購主要來源不僅於國防採購上投入巨額資源依在半導體供應鏈穩定與農產品採購等面向對美方作出具體貢獻定就我國與對等貿易協定所承諾之整體對美採購規模亦展現高度誠意基於此 |
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9834.776 |
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美國總統川普屢次發表貶抑台灣人民及產業之不當言論及對我國國家援手之輕蔑表述促請外交部及各駐外管處立即透過正式對外交管道向美國在台協會AIT及美國政府表達嚴正立場以維護國家尊嚴與國格促使台美關係繼續在對等尊嚴等原則基礎上持續深化安全經貿及科技等各領域之合作 |
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9849.72 |
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法院會依照立法院之間新司法第八條第三項規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即一決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審議依照黨團共識本案提案 |
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9870.127 |
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說明不再發言現在開始進行大體討論依照黨團共識請各黨團推派代表發言報告委員會今天非常有趣三個黨團推派代表發言的委員通通姓洪好像洪氏中青會一樣首先我們請洪孟凱委員發言洪玉祥委員請準備 |
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主席立院同仁以及我們在場的所有鄉親今天台灣民眾黨提出這個公決案個人認為這是一個大是大非的問題這是一個維護中華民國國格跟尊嚴的問題這是一個愛台灣2350萬人大家共同面對的問題姑且不論現在誰執政誰在野但是當面臨到世界對於中華民國的污衊或是對於中華民國的 |
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不是一個正確的談話的時候只要是中華民國國民都應該要站出來予以反駁 |
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9941.541 |
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川普總統他又再一次的發表說台灣偷晶片我想請教所有在場在立法院的同仁以及我們所有鄉親能夠接受嗎?台灣是小偷嗎?如果不是的話為什麼過去到現在我們沒有看到政府有一個公開強硬的說明告訴美國政府這不是事實 |
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9971.646 |
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不是事實就不是事實當美國已經在大街罵人的時候如果我們只能選擇在小巷澄清甚至連澄清都不敢澄清的時候中華民國的國格誰來捍衛更重要的是過去我們所謂的台灣系統我們所謂的半導體高科技都是好幾代的工程師用爆竿用專業用熱情用能力來捍衛搭建出來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
我們所有的工程師所有的高科技有藍營有白營有綠營所以這不是分黨派我們今天提出這樣的一個公決案就是希望對等尊嚴是我們最基本的立場也許中華民國現在國力在全世界排名沒有頂強 |
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也許台灣現在的人口數沒有頂多但是我們有尊嚴我們要捍衛因此本席今天代表國民黨黨團來支持民眾黨黨團的這個公決案我們也認為這是政府早就應該要做的事情了 |
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昨天我質詢總統府的秘書長潘孟安潘孟安還特別講說有啦我們過去的談判代表在ART的談判裡面有說有讓美國知道那我想問如果有說有讓美國知道那何以川普總統一而再再還是講出不對的話難道是因為他是川普難道是因為他是現在全世界最有權力的人也因此我們看到他就要矮半截嗎不對的 |
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任何人擔任中華民國總統任何人是執政黨都應該捍衛中華民國的尊嚴這就是我們的主張也因此我們期待如果2028年有政黨輪替的時候只要國民黨執政的一天我們絕對不會放任這樣的言論來蔓延我們更要讓全世界知道台灣的是一頓台灣的半導體是台灣人智慧打拚的成果謝謝 |
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好 謝謝洪文凱委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請洪義祥委員發言莊瑞雄委員請準備 |
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好 院長還有各位委員我想這個東西來講的話這個是對我們在台灣尤其像我畢業於交大在我們對資訊半導體業這50多年來的工程師極大的侮辱川普多次指稱我們是晶片的小偷但是我們的民進黨政府毫無抗議的作為 |
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為什麼我這樣說呢基本上當時我們在1976年3月5號我們是台灣政府委託工研院跟美國的RCA公司正式簽署合約我們是付了350萬的美金其中包含技術移轉費250萬我們技術授權金是100萬美金這在當年對台灣是天文數字是一場豪賭 |
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所有各位如果看過趙三哲的電影他後面的副標叫世紀的賭注當年我們還派了19位工程師從IC的設計製程測試到設備其中當初包含了史青泰前工研院的院長蔡明介聯發科的創辦人曾帆成台積電共同創辦的前副董事長還有曹新成 |
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還有聯打這些就是聯電的共同創辦的我們的政府要拿出當時那350萬合約的內容告訴美國人跟川普我們的技術是跟你的老牌公司RCA簽約付錢合法授權計轉 |
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的一個技術我們把它發揚光大怎麼到今天我們卻變成了小偷這是我擔任工程師來講的一個生涯來講我最不能夠容忍的是這件事情憤怒 |
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另外中華民國總統變成川普眼中的somebodywho is not running Taiwan不尊重我們中華民國的總統就等於不尊重我們台灣的人民口口聲聲說我們是盟友連我們總統的名字都不記得是沒有當台灣一回事還是你故意不稱呼名字比家裡養的哈巴狗還不如這真的是踐踏我們台灣人的一個尊嚴 |
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另外關稅談判裡頭我們台灣預計投資美國5000億美金台積電的供應鏈移到美國讓台灣人民吃來豬、美牛、發芽的馬鈴薯進口零關稅的美國花生我們還在OIP裡頭擴大採購四年848億美金的一個合約我們還花了7800億採購軍港 |
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花錢比大陸多 開啟怪王招攤我們需要你政府要突出原則的抗議 |
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謝謝院長還有各位在場的媒體朋友還有各黨的代表藍白河啊真的是一個好東西啊這個河道最後連上台發言同性好事一件但是啊 |
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民主金服長最擔心的啊是像藍白河這樣河道最後神經錯亂真的就不好了討論是這樣兩個案子啊第一案你說因應川習會以後啊對於美中台整個情勢的一個變化 |
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邀請行政部門來做專案的一個報告這個民進黨絕對會贊成嘛這個哪有什麼問題啊但是你們那個理由充斥的就莫名其妙尤其是第二案啊第二案啊我看台灣民眾黨的提案裡面啊是看得我是啼笑皆非啊 |
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如果聽了台灣民眾黨跟聽了中國國民黨的代表上台的一個發言你會發現好像是美國跟台灣發生了什麼事好像美國跟台灣關係非常緊張好像美國跟台灣我們要活會你們要主張趕快去跟美國斷絕任何的一個關係這樣的一個言論可能不太好從提案裡面可以看得出來台灣民眾黨非常生氣你們非常生氣的地方是在於說 |
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台灣長期作為美國的重要的經貿夥伴跟重要的軍購的一個來源我們花了很多錢是啊但不要把自己當成大爺的一個心態啊台灣當然是對每次一個重要的經貿的夥伴我們一年經貿總額跟美國將近八兆 |
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將近8兆出口的就7兆難怪我們貿易順差了1500億就將近5兆我們賺了人家的錢以後我們就在國會裡面提案說我到你美國賺了好多錢我們的順差你們台灣對我們美國賺走的將近5億的貿易的一個順差 |
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然後我們台灣跟你美國買了好多武器所以我們是大爺你們川普怎麼可以亂講話其實對於啊 外交上對於我們的國家元首有任何不敬的地方啊外交部門去抗議民進黨也可以同意但是你們這個提案內容啊我們不上來跟你反駁一下會造成誤解啊我們更期待啊 更期待啊 |
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川普講了一句話 讓你非常跳腳的時候你會講美中台嘛那如果中國對台灣軍機在那邊繞台威脅台灣的時候你也出來把他幹掉一下 那不就對了?美中台既然是一致的話川普叫一句話賴清德說那個人你就那麼生氣那些軍機 中共的軍機一直威脅我們耶台灣民眾黨你都怕什麼?這不好 |
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所以你這個提案的內容精神錯浪但是那個整個意識民進黨其實可以表達支持但內容改一下啦好不好 |
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交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商報告委員會討論事項已經處理完畢依照黨團共識上午的會議進行到此為止下午2點30分我們繼續開會進行社會福利及衛生環境組織諮詢現在休息 |
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好 卓院長各位列席閣議員午安報告院會我們要繼續開會對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續諮詢進行諮詢之前請副院長報告部會首長請假請醒報告院會行政院來函衛生福利部時部長崇良本日因公請假由林次長敬儀代表列席報告完畢 |
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我們今天要進行社會福利及衛生環境組質詢現在我們一場二樓貴賓席來自於國立中正大學國際處所的師生訪問團我們掌聲鼓勵謝謝大家 掌聲歡迎我先請李燕秀委員質詢 李崑哲委員請準備 |
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院長我也要請卓院長麻煩請卓院長貝斯麻煩請次長 |
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院長我今天要跟你討論一下就是近期發生一連串的連鎖醫美爆發的系統性偷拍的事件從病人的權益到偷拍的防治我們整個國家制度到底漏接了哪些東西 |
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但是馬上消基會就打臉說信託基金不等於保障恐怕是看得到吃不到我要更要強調的是我更關鍵是信託基金他不能取代企業原本應該就要負的所有的責任也就不一定是所有 |
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所有的財務糾紛裡面不一定所有的人都可以申請到信託基金的支付所以近期無論從媒體上看到我辦公室也有接到陳情民眾在跟醫美診所要求退費的時候比如說有些人買五堂送一堂十堂送一堂原本要送的那第一堂 |
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他就變成說那第一堂我沒有送第一堂我要收費這個是其中一種狀態第二種甚至是我接到陳情說甚至有一些診所要求退費同時要簽同意醫療過程錄影錄音的同意書 |
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這件事 我相信市長也從媒體上有看到假證送 徵扣款甚至是誘導要簽放棄錄影錄音的同意書這件事情我要請問衛福部有沒有掌握這件事無論從媒體上看到還有從臉書上還有社群網路都有討論這件事情到底針對這整件事情我們政府衛福部有沒有任何的作為可以保障民眾的就醫的權利 |
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好 謝謝委員先跟委員這邊說明愛爾利或相關的這些連鎖集團他用課程的方式來做預購甚至做優惠這個已經違反醫療法因為在醫療法裡面醫療行為不可以廣告不可以用預售的方式 |
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所以這個部分它違反醫療法後續我們會用醫療法來罰也就是說它用課程的方式來規避它是醫療行為這個部分它其實等於是說它不能把醫療行為拿來用醫療行為好 但它誘導民眾簽那個放棄醫療同意書這個部分這個不行也就是說它在原先裡面它就已經違反醫療法了它用課程的方式販賣是違法的拜託 次長你剛剛都說得很清楚 |
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現在在就是說我收到這些成果相信你有看到我覺得你應該更具體的把它公告清楚讓民眾知道這是我第一點那第二點就是說我覺得這整件事情我要接下來跟院長討論就是說真恐攝影機的管理這整件事情到底我們還有什麼事情可以做從去年六月院長台北市政府 |
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就來公文跟你澄清當時我們行政院秘書長就回應說真恐攝影機的管理實名制的管理我們當時回台北市政府說我們不需要管理不需要相關法規來管理當時我們三個藉口是第一個日本韓國都沒有禁止而且更擔心的是合法用途會被影響第三個回應的是說這是使用者違法不關器材的事情 |
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這個聽在今天事後發生這一連串醫美診所的偷拍的事件用這種攝影機我覺得民眾恐怕是不能接受事實上日本韓國的電商早就已經把偽裝式的偷拍攝影機這不是密錄器喔這不是一般我們看到的監視器喔這是偽裝式的攝影機什麼樣的人會用偽裝式的攝影機 |
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即便是警察跟民眾有問題他拍個密錄交通我現在在用密錄 實在還不是偽裝我們看到影片什麼叫偽裝攝影機放在火災的感應器裡面放在衛生紙裡面偷放一個攝影機甚至在筆裡面他也可以放針孔攝影機院長 |
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什麼樣的人會需要使用偷拍攝影機我們難道不應該實名制做一些管理嗎剛好日本韓國都已經下架了就是說平台它不可以販賣去年市政府來函行政院回覆從來沒有在裡面說這個事情我們不用管 |
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從來沒有這樣講我們是講出很多的情境那主要這個查查 巡查在地方政府我們在回覆當中是說地方政府如果又發現在執行上要必須加緊的...院長我不想再跟你講去年因為這整件事情我們非常清楚就是說因為剛剛您說...專恐攝影機這件事情...這件事情不是真的 |
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好那麼對這些工這些事情我們對隱匿的這些器材包括他從來源取得或是他經過實體或是這個平台上去取得都必須要再做加強管理尤其是 孫立你也同意實名制囉你也同意接下來實名制嗎實名制是否可實行我們還要再研究但是如果在平台上 還要研究多久在我看來 院長我是女性在我看來 |
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這整件事情我們非常清楚知道台北市政府出這個公文它的意義是什麼你的藉口也就算了在我民眾看來在我民眾看來這件事情會爆發抑鬱症我們要跟你講不是藉口 |
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我先補充報告委員報告爆發這個醫美診所偷拍的事件之後我們 |
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立刻在第一時間我只會未來平台上我沒有說不可以販賣我說實名制登記要買實名制登記也當爆發事情的時候我們可以回溯去說到底是誰我們十字公買那個十字公竟然都要實名制登記難道買偷拍攝影機偽裝攝影機這件事情我們不該有實名制登記嗎攝影器材本身並不是違法品 |
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我現在講的是偶裝式的院長所以這些設備要先給你定義什麼樣的設備我同意 但是這個定義變難啦那我們前兩天行政院張秘書長已經開過相關的會我們從他的行為面 設備面 法規面 以及沒關係 院長我同意 要多久 院長還要多久要多久 去年市政府來函給行政院之後快一年了 市政府也沒有任何進展啊 |
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對現在數百個個案已經報告發了告發人有數百位個案我們嚴格的來查查請地方政府來配合 |
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第二個 各個場域都有相關的法規規管院長我只問你有沒有實名制能不能實名制 要求實名制你要買這些偽裝式的偵恐攝影機設備而言我們先定義哪一種設備去叫實名如果平台上面買到的從境外來的當然要實名制如果他用經過我們的這個海關進來的該管理的設備進到廠商沒關係 因為海外 院長 |
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因為我的時間只有15分鐘海外的 國內的都偽裝式的攝影機我們什麼時候才能實名制登記可不可以給我答覆我們正在研究 最快的時間我們研究出一個方式我們要管理到店家要實名制沒關係 因為你只要一個考慮下去他們就是要大概要多久 |
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媒體需要答案 國運也需要一個答覆媒體需要答案 我們需要把整個制度弄好我要跟國運跟國運講我想很快的時間我會跟專業處長研究那國運會在開會之後沒有 開會之後開會之後我們都要求兩個禮拜來回報醫療院所就是不可以偷拍 我們不會容忍 |
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所以我沒關西我現在只要防止我只要防止有些人拿偽裝攝影機所以當他犯罪的時候我們可以回溯到這到底是項目欸警察也可以追得到不像現在找不到人嘛所以你現在回答不出來我的答案那也沒關西我們社會都有請各部會兩個禮拜要回覆他們去調查的結果出來那麼訂定一套可行的制度出來 |
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所以還要多久 可行的制度還要多久還是不知道就對了好沒關係 我尊重院長這也是一個答案我不能急救章跟你講一個大家做不到的事情我們已經要求訴訴來辦理這個事情院長我只是很遺憾我身為女性醫美診所旁邊的朋友民眾看到的這個還是沒有答案好沒關係我問一下下一個問題就是針對霸凌案的事件那個次長你請回我先把法律講清楚 院長今年1月9號公務人員保障法已經開始實施 |
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嚴慧心嚴副代表在當時提辭職信的時候我們在2月19號已經提出辭職信當時如果有機關知道說這是霸凌事件的話按照 |
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公務人員保障法因為MeToo事件之後一連串包含之前發生勞動部的事件我們都對公務人員相關有霸凌事件只是在公部機關民間機關我們都是不允許的我們也更認為說機關按照法規我們應該採取立即有效的糾正跟補措的措施那行為人涉嫌案件重大的話就必須要先調整職務 |
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這是法規法的規定寫得清清楚楚而且這是在勞動部之前發生事件之後我們在1月9號公務人員保障法當時就寫得很清楚那當時外部調查小組就建議說楊政委楊珍妮就說要請假或者是依規定依規定應該要請假那後來楊珍妮也回應說好我依規定適度辦理我現在先請勞動部部長上來 |
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這個如果發生在民間因為我們今年執安法7月1號就要上路這件事情如果發生在民營的機關就是說依照法規我們要求應該要有一些有效的措施或補正措施 |
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應該要請假 他也回應依規定辦理部長 你可以接受嗎 職安法如果在民間的職場有這樣的案子發生 有霸凌事件發生我們要求要請假 他只回應這個涉嫌霸凌的人說我依規定辦理我會適度辦理那最後沒有任何作為這個答案你可以接受嗎 |
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他說你現在的答案不是依規他不是說他依規定辦理嗎依什麼規定他沒有做任何作為啊他還是在職位上啊按照道理說他應該是先調離如果有霸凌事件發生應該先調離現職讓 |
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涉嫌霸凌者跟受霸凌的人要稍微分開一下嗎這是我們治安法當時立這個法的主要的精神在哪跟委員說明喔 但調離是一種方法但基本上是希望這個 |
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潛在的接受調查的是分開不見得一定只有調查好沒關係來那院長就是說這個過程當中其實我們楊政委從來沒有離開位子上也沒有分開過所以這個霸凌事件就一直在發生我覺得你剛才部長你也解釋得很清楚治安法按照道理說 |
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不管是不是調離限制就要稍微分開一下要求他請假幾天或讓這兩個人分開不一定只有調離限制這個做法而是讓他們在業務上面的互動減少互動或者是切割開來不會那麼緊密可是不是只有調離這個做法委員三件事情報告 |
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外部委員建議楊貞妮政委請假並沒有直接請她調離那她也適度的請假第二她也適度的請假減少上班工作的時間她也適度的請假第二她沒有去影響或是阻礙任何調查的過程 |
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第三 最重要的 楊貞妮認為現在人在中國 在江蘇參加APEC相關的會議前面這兩個禮拜 她還是有一些必須為這個國際性會議要準備的事項所以她降低最小的工作量能 維持最小的工作程度絕對沒有去影響任何書面或身體調查我這樣聽起來 院長 其實霸凌事件 你早就聽說了 |
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在他辭職之前你早就聽說這是另外一件 這不是我今天我今天其實很多重點要問但是我認為這件事情 院長你早就知晰了按照道理說機關的最高的我看到原副總代表的辭職信那個時候我們在想我們如果了解但第一個那個是過年前農曆年間第二他人在生病當中這麼重要 院長這麼重要的職位我們都沒有辦法當場去了解他所說的內容 |
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院長這麼重要的人這麼重要的位階包括我相信副院長也一定都非常清楚我非常遺憾就是說我們既然已經有公務人員保障法但整個霸凌事件在公文文是這樣子的處理態度所以為什麼我剛才問勞動部部長今天7月1號我們的職安法就要上路他的實質性你沒有講到他都沒有向我們提起 |
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但是那個實質性我們看到了當時是過年前他人在生病當中第一時間我當然無法馬上去跟他談院長 這個霸凌的事件發生的時候我不相信在職場 同一個職場旁邊的這一圈第二圈的人都沒有人聽說這件事我是對我來說我覺得不可置信那我們去了解真相 |
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沒關係因為這個事情在調查當中但院長保訊會就說兩個月之內就要完成調查那我請問5月27號保訊會就會有一個結果那到底會不會有結果出來還是要再延?依規定可以再延長一定的時間這麼單純的案子還要再延長一個月他仍在參加APEC委員請您將心比心 |
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國家重要的會議他去參加所以等他回來就再進一步的說明這樣難道不行嗎為國家一個公園 |
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好 謝謝李延勳委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝 |
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謝謝院長不過院長好像忘了要叫我的名字上來 |
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抱歉因為剛才上一篇質詢太激烈了接下來我們請李昆哲委員質詢萊斯堡委員請準備謝謝韓院長請下行政院卓院長還有勞動部洪森漢部長我們請卓院長勞動部長備詢 |
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謝謝卓院長我們今天要針對勞工相關的退休的基本保障的提升不管是勞保以及勞退那 |
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首先要肯定卓院長我們在勞保的撥補我們在2020年蘇貞昌院長踏出了第一步撥補200億然後逐年的增加尤其是在卓榮泰院長在2025年跟2026年分別撥補了1300億讓整個撥補的金額已經達到5170億 |
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那我要特別謝謝我們除了實質的撥補之外也在卓院長的支持之下我們將政府的撥補跟國家最終支付責任明文入法在勞保條例提出的修正也已經三讀通過那對於勞工來說 |
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實質的撥補跟國家最終支付責任的實質入法 明文入法其實就是勞工的安心條款我首先要先請教一下左院長有一個台鐵的問題台鐵 左院長長久就要求台鐵公司安全必須要提升服務要有相關的效率 |
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而且要永續的經營但是我們來看台鐵的基層主管他的缺額非常的嚴重那我看二三等站以及業務單位的主任服務的站的主任其實他的缺額高達三成 |
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這是基層重要的主管那為什麼他們缺耳這麼嚴重院長因為工作時間長而且待遇不夠高另外壓力也非常的大所以一般的這些主管他們有機會擔任就 |
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吊子的就想要吊子吊單位的就想要吊單位能夠退休的就提早退休所以這個基層主管的缺額非常嚴重那現在交通部有將這個相關的業務就是相關的主管的業務加急提高的這個相關的方案有送到行政院來就是 |
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台鐵主管的佳績必須要提高那它會影響到1600位的基層主管其中包含1450位科長以下的這些基層主管這關係到我們相關台鐵的安全效率以及永續經營這個方案我不曉得院長的看法是如何 |
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我非常了解這個事情這兩天不是兩天這一個禮拜以來我們一直在跟台鐵相關方面在研討這個事情對於台鐵同仁員工在很長的時間肩負國家運輸功能的付出我們都有肯定那因為現在除了台鐵 |
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提出這個主管加級之外我們還有其他相類似的一些案子就人事的部分的檢討我們還在進行當中所以我跟人事總署是談好說我們能不能一併來檢討所有公務人員相關的法規能不能做一次的討論 |
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如何讓所有公務人員你當任主管的你負了更大的責任你必須要有更多福利上以及待遇上的照顧這樣讓他成為一個很合理的均衡的狀態我們做全面性的考量所以稍微在慈悟一點之間 |
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必須在基層的這些主管缺額嚴重之下我們必須要調高他的相關的待遇讓他的責任跟他的待遇是相符合而且能夠提升我們整個工作的一個質量的一個提升這是必須要提升院長基本上也是同意但是現在就是要整體的一個檢討來 |
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像社會勞工我們非常感謝這個軍公校同仁以及全國的勞工朋友們長時間為國家的經濟跟國家的政策在做這種貢獻我們一定做一個全盤的考量好那這個我們必須要加緊我們相關的行政作業那目前第二個問題就是我們勞退的救治在目前純救治的這些勞工全國大概還有11萬人 |
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分別在一萬六千個相關的事業的單位那勞退救治的勞工啊他們當年雖然有五年的這樣的一個選擇期但是因為時代的變遷政府相關經濟的發展我們必須讓勞工的救治啊有必須讓他的保障能夠得以提升所以我們現在很多勞工也希望能夠啊結清相關的救治的年資 |
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而且在勞資合一之下無需雇主相關的這些提撥率6%他們希望能夠結清相關的勞退救治的賬戶能夠開立新制的專戶能夠享受利息的這樣的一個優待這個部分我請教一下院長支不支持 |
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好 謝謝委員 前不久洪部長也跟我討論過這個事情從台北 雙北 高雄還有其他幾個城市都有不等的這個退休的同仁們在討論這個事情那洪部長他有去處理過他現在也有一個想法是不是請部長來做說明 |
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跟委員說明的確我們現在就是針對這些純救治大概十來萬十一萬左右的勞工目前我們在設計方案就是希望讓這些純救治的勞工可以把他目前累積的退休金那 |
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有機會可以再新制開一個戶頭然後可以把它給結清存進去也包括開放他們自體那希望在這個做法之下可以讓他們享有政府來操刀這個基金投資累積的效益這樣子的好處那目前我們正在緊鑼密鼓的來規劃這個方案也包括做相關利害人的溝通加緊相關的行政流程對那我們會來競訴那只要有這個方案也有結果我們就趕快來跟大家報告 |
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先請卓院長回到院長的位置我針對相關勞工政策的細節我要跟洪森漢部長來進行對話請回謝謝卓院長我請教一下洪森漢部長我們對於勞保的投保薪資這樣的一個天花板我認為是必須要調整上一次的調整已經是2016年 |
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那當時是43,900調升到45,800那我們必須要了解投保勞保的勞工到今年3月為止已經超過1,048萬人 |
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那現在達到四萬五千八這個級距的勞工全國已經有三百八十萬人佔了投保勞保的百分之三十六那這樣的一個勞保月薪資的這樣的一個最高上限十年沒有調整他關係到兩個部分關係到勞保你退休之後的勤領的相關的差距第二就是就業保險 |
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也會受到影響那我們這個投保的薪資的上限啊必須要調整我不曉得部長你現在有什麼規劃跟想法 |
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跟文說明的確我們知道其實各界都有在討論這個議題那就勞保的這個投保薪資的上限的問題我想我們也聽到各方的意見所以我們也願意來做整體性的思考不過的確因為勞保涉及到他的財務他的財務的挑戰其實確實比較大所以我們其實在思考這問題的時候相對會比較審慎一點但剛剛委員其實也提到就業保險的部分 |
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所以現在就業保險的投保薪資的天花板其實跟勞保是連動的所以我們目前正在評估也包括也在研擬方案未來是可以把舊保的投保薪資的上限跟勞保來脫鉤因為舊保目前比較沒有這個基金財務上面的問題只要能做的部分我們就願意先來做所以未來如果有機會可以把投保薪資上限給拉高的話 |
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這對於不管是失業的保險失業給付或者是運營留庭的給付我想都可以在給付的金額上面再提高我想我們目前是希望朝這個方向能做的部分我們會先來做這樣我們當然我們會整體評估各種相關的效益 |
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第一個我要提醒部長你提到說要思考然後要對話然後有在做相關的一個規劃那你必須要提出明確的時程第二你必須要提出明確的數據來跟勞工對話這是你必須在提出正式的方案之前你必須要提出相關的時程你有什麼具體的規劃嗎 |
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我想我們可以來針對這個包括勞保投保薪資上限的問題來做各種情境 幾種情境的評估尤其是財務上面的評估你必須要提出明確的試算表是 那我說包括這個財務上面的評估 |
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那我想這部分的確會需要來跟各個立案相關包括勞工包括僱主包括我們這個政府部門裡面相關的部會來做一個整體的對話這部分我們願意來把這樣的數據給提出來那相關的我們對於勞退薪資的提撥率增加 |
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那在這段期間很多的工會尤其高雄的工會不管是產業工會相關大公司這些工會都提到我們對於提撥率勞退的僱主的強制提撥率這個6%是否也要必須來做調整這個6%是從2005年已經是20多年的這樣的一個沒有調整 |
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我們必須要針對目前的產業以及經濟發展的成果也必須要讓勞工的保障得以提升才有意義那我們目前的這個6%從2005年到現在都沒有調整那我想部長你也一定接到很多工會的聲音就是說這樣的一個勞退的資方的強制提撥率必須要提升你有什麼基本的看法 |
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跟文說沒有當然這段時間勞工朋友尤其是工會對於這樣子的期待我們當然是有聽到的那我認為我們會在一個大的方向我們當然希望來實質增加勞工的這個退休金的這個大的方向來做相關制度逐步的檢討我想這個態度我們是願意的 |
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那當然這裡面可能會涉及到看有哪一些可以來往前推進的路徑但我想從勞工部的角度我們當然希望勞工整體的實質退休金能夠增加 |
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那你目前有什麼具體的做法?你有跟工會相關的對話嗎?跟我的說明比方說就像剛才我們講到這個純救治的部分那這部分我們優先趕快來進行這部分那第二個退休金的提高包括現在大家也可能談到怎麼樣去鼓勵自體 |
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的部分這也是其中的一種做法那我們也希望能夠針對部分來研擬一些方案那當然就像剛剛委員提到的那這個僱主提撥率的6%的提高的部分現在我也聽到各種不同的數字的聲音我想我們是願意來整體的評估那這裡面就像這一次五一的遊行其實主辦黨也希望說能夠讓勞資政之間能夠一些對話那我們對於這樣的對話是非常非常樂意來促成 |
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各個不同利害相關方在這個議題上的對話因為這確實比較涉及到重大制度的改變我覺得可能會讓大家有一個互相對話互相理解彼此的期待那看看哪些部分有空間能不能往一個比較好的方向來進行我想這樣子的促成我們當然是很願意 |
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洪部長你就任之後當然你有交出初步的一個成績單就是在勞保的實質撥補以及國家最重支付責任而且能夠讓他明文入法這對勞工來講是基本保障的一個提升勞工基本上大家對你的初步成績單是有肯定但是接下來你必須面臨更嚴峻的一個挑戰就是國家的產業經濟快速的發展 |
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我們的經濟發展股票衝上4萬點但是我們的勞工他相關的權益他的一個提升步伐也必須要加緊他的腳步 |
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不能讓這個差距越來越大不管是勞退 不管是救治 不管是勞保的投保薪資你都必須要提出明確的數據 明確的方案 明確的時程表這是你一個重要的工作 讓你最後補充來做說明 |
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跟委員說明我們知道這其實是一個非常非常重大的任務使命尤其是很多勞工朋友看到我們現在整體的經濟數字是很亮眼的可是也會時時來回頭看自己拿到的所得拿到的薪資的狀況所以我們其實現在也跟行政院甚至也包括跟經濟部目前也在討論能不能特別的來協助尤其是一些中小企業的勞工朋友那怎麼樣 |
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這個在經濟發展的同時透過國家的協助能夠讓他們的勞動條件薪資能夠更加的提升那讓這個經濟發展的果實更公平的分配到每一個勞工尤其是基層勞工身上我想這部分我們非常非常在意當然這裡面也包括有幾個制度包括像最低工資我想逐年的提升這是我們也會努力來進行的事情但除了最低工資的調升以外我想我們現在也包括 |
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跟經濟部就像剛剛說的這部分我們會來努力我們也知道這是接下來執政團隊尤其是勞動部非常重要的使命好那有關於最後時間也不多那我提一下有薪的產檢價跟有薪的賠產檢價這個是2014年的時候是我提案的我認為婦女勞工上班族也必須跟女性的公務員一樣必須要有有薪的產檢價當初是 |
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五天我所提案的後來經過大家對話協商是五天到2021年的時候我又提案又變成七天那我請教一下我們希望能夠規劃往十天的方向 |
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好 謝謝李昆哲委員的質詢 謝謝勞動部長備詢 謝謝 |
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歡迎我們一長二樓旁聽的來自於台北市金華國中的同學們我們掌聲歡迎接下來請賴世寶委員質詢 王世堅委員請準備謝謝主席韓院長以及各位先進遊行行政院的左院長 |
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麻煩請卓院長 |
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賴委員好院長辛苦喔 辛苦到最近脾氣沒有那麼好喔 剛才那麼兇喔不是 我不是互短其實沒有必要啦一個公務員在參加國際會議不需要在國內用這種方式我們應該鼓勵他的任何事情回來我們秉公處理你這樣講喔 你的立場但是我覺得對國會議員的尊重要有一定的尊重你要尊重公務員你來這裡韓院長剛出國回來 他也知道外交多困難 |
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一個國務院在外面打拚不需要這個樣子大家將心比心我本來想說讓你有一個態度表示尖頭一點對一個女性的國會議員表達一點你的你不要說牽引我那我對一個女性的政委也表達一點尊重不行嗎你對一個一個立委這樣一個女性立委這樣形容也不好我們對女性的政委也要尊重一下 |
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左院長剛才態度你不好 我要跟你說我第三者的觀點是這樣看的這是我的看法我們看現在的時務長在哪裡 今天時務長沒有來他也是參加會議對 他參加會議 參加WHA不得其門而入民進黨實證之後 兩岸關係啟動國際組織一籌莫展 |
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除了第一年林作援的時候那時候是因為那時候還沒交接所以呢是馬英九的執政的後期林作援可以用衛生部 衛務部長去參加之後十年了 都沒有都沒有啦齁不管這裡面 恰羅達古 布卡柏幾波齁那我就問院長責任在我面前來來你先不要急齁請你尊重我吧 |
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你要大聲我可以大聲弄這樣不好好我沒有我沒有請你回答請你不要講話好我就跟你講現在對 |
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世衛組織世衛大會我們的態度到底怎麼樣因為美國剛好推出過66個國際組織第一個很重要是WHOWHO跟他有關係的年度大會WHA |
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我們沒辦法參加這個當然很遺憾啦老共的打壓我們覺得是NO不接受老共的打壓這沒有問題但是這個是凸顯的一個東西凸顯的一個東西是什麼凸顯的東西是林鄒元第一次開始那時候蔡英文當總統的時候她是用潛入台北參加這個世衛的大會世衛的大會很清楚看得到 |
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那是什麼兩岸關係可以這個國際關係就可以來來拓展我們的國際空間就可以來拓展很清楚的看得到以現在來講的話呢就變成兩岸關係越來越糟所以我們國際組織我們根本就沒辦法參加來院長你講一下兩岸關係不好責任難道都全部在我們嗎 |
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對方軍機軍艦經常累月的台灣海周遭四處圍繞這個您難道沒有一點感受嗎這個東西啊銅板沒有兩個打不響啦我們有去過這樣子嗎我們對他不好所以兩個就跑起來了滿久時候好來好去就不一樣來這個都不是我要問的重點我要問的重點在於剛才你提到的楊振宇請問楊振宇現在在哪裡在江蘇啊 |
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在江蘇在大陸做什麼事參加APEC的會情會APEC什麼時候舉行請問院長APEC什麼大會APEC正式大會什麼時候舉行現在是部長級會議啊他最後的最後是11月底要在深圳舉行現在是部長級會議楊振尼參加部長級的會議 |
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你不接受你去囉你不接受了嗎 |
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今天的WHA也是這樣的一個原則 老實講WHA也是潛意識台配現在APEC也是潛意識台配 為什麼APEC我們就可以去WHA我們去不了 為什麼查理多維你跟我說看他有沒有發邀請函來 |
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什麼東西他就寫喔他是一中原則喔所以你接受你接受是不是請問來院長你接受嗎 |
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中國大陸的外交部講的N次在一中原則之下所以中國常常搞這種小動作你也知道 |
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那因為他的搞小動作我們經常要坐在一種非常抗議嚴正的態度底下去參加各種國際會議這就是台灣今天的處境參加比台灣的國際空間很辛苦大家都知道但是參加比什麼都重要今天如果沒有參加我們奧利也不能打什麼地方都不能去我們可以在你先不要講我沒跟你講我們在抗議底下我們去就可以這個態度就是對的我想跟你強調是這個參加比什麼都重要讓台灣 |
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我們在醫療方面在今天的APEC在經貿方面的成就讓世界看得到我們的努力讓世界看得到這個沒有人反對他有的發邀請函有的不發啊他也沒有原則啊 |
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他有發 我們也可以不要去啊他上面寫一種原則啊委員的建議我們都聽到了我說他上面寫一種原則啊跟APEC諒解別人的路啊你就不要接受對不對 你去了就是接受我們不接受這種小動作啦我們依照國際組織的規範像奧會模式就是奧會模式各種國際組織規範我們都遵守 |
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所以你樂見我們參加APEC我們在國際組織規範裡面去參加對任何中方的小動作我們都要嚴正的提出態度院長我這樣講我再講一個我禮拜二講的啦 |
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亞洲開發銀行ADB我們是創始會員股叫ROC啊被改成台北卡馬遷啊叫中國台北我們還是去啊錢照交 你知道一年交多少錢嗎會員會員不知道我寫不一百萬美金嘛我們一年交一百萬美金啦名稱你被挨話啊 |
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我跟民進黨有關的嗎但是要不要去 還是要去啊國際空間 我們創始會員國就是我們是會員國之一創始的 結果怎麼把我們這樣子呢但是還是要去 有去才有聲音沒有去 沒有聲音今天的APEC 今天你派楊正義去是對的 |
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是對的 年底11月也要參加深圳的大會這個參加比什麼都重要我們的聲音大家聽得見嗎同樣的 現在來講聲音我就問院長川普總統說要打電話給賴總統有打了嗎有收到沒有他不會打到行政院來我不知道所以你不知道 所以你出發前你出發前 他沒有打給賴總統吧 |
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到現在還沒有任何的訊息那他們講了 他們的海軍代理部長說沒有了沒有141美金了 確定嗎 |
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我們有注意到各種的發言在這個發言之後還有多次其他不一樣這個內容的發言也都是在支持繼續來執行140億的軍售就在海軍代理部長之後的發言還是有其他的發言我們會陸續持續觀察回到我們這兩天大家很多的看法 |
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很多人看法就是說 今天如果川普總統可以打電話給賴總統 這個是外交戰 這突破 外交戰 加分但是要問 講啥 講說害誰啊 我不賣武器給你了 這個扣分打電話是加分 說不賣武器給你 這個是大扣分那現在看起來這兩個都沒有 就是說他們要打電話 |
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然後也不賣了啊這是最壞的結果就如果又說因為不賣了所以打電話來說抱歉喔這樣最少外交還加一點分就像外交沒有加分然後呢 全國還沒有這對我們傷害很大耶 院長對我們傷害很大 你要不要講一下 |
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委員跟我都沒有辦法在這裡揣測川普總統什麼時候會打什麼電話來談什麼事情我們都無法揣測所以也不必要在這裡公開說所以到目前為止沒有打電話嗎?我沒有得到任何訊息沒有嗎?那到目前為止美國的海軍代理部長說140億美金的軍售台灣沒有了 |
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我們有注意到這個發言但是我們更注意到其後很多不同的發言也在支持繼續執行這項軍售的發言也有來我們來看這個衛護部次長在這裡也要讓你表現一下電子菸電子菸現在不合法嘛對吧電子菸不合法不合法 加熱菸是合法加熱菸那個頭那個菸在上面加熱菸電子菸是沒有的電子菸是化學化學東西 |
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就叫獨駕變長 你看到你的孩子2024年比2023年成長了731%叫獨駕的造勢成長731%造成15個死亡 90個傷亡2025年年增率227%死掉16個 傷了200多個很嚴重 |
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去年的時候獨駕的事件8500多件今年1月份1200多件2月份將近900件3月份1100件所以今年絕對破萬面臨這樣的事情有一個很重要的我覺得很具體的很具體的聚焦在一個地方這個地方是什麼有些人駕駛的時候旁邊放一個電子煙 |
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警察在交通檢查的時候 檢查就沒有去管他 我就問一個問題外務部我們要不要一起來努力 我們立法院願意支持 |
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電子菸的載具,如果警方看到了電子菸的載具本來就是非法的啊,本來就違法啊好,那我就告訴院長齁,這個市長你不知道地方衛生局本來就可以查處啊這個是原警跟我陳情的,原警跟我陳情,所以現在沒有法 |
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他們在執行說要酒駕的時候 旁邊看到電子煙的載具他不能沒錄 因為法沒有說可以沒錄 |
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我們有規劃要修煙害防治法我們把它沒錄可以嗎我們現在正在規劃加強煙害防治法煙害防治法我會來修要沒錄只要有發現就沒錄這個影響很大影響很大那我看到這個院長對於大麻的看法要不要再重申一遍你是不是反對在台灣大麻合法化是不是 |
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大麻合法化台灣現在我認為要討論這個要得到社會很大的共識目前這個討論的空間我個人認為還並不存在大麻合法化的問題因為我來做功課了卓榮泰強烈的表達反對大麻合法化 |
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你講這一句話我是給你肯定的因為貴黨很多人在推動大麻要合法化我覺得社會的共識還沒有達到那樣子而且也不需要很多的綠營民進黨人士在推大麻合法化這個我們強烈反對那你的話我再把它再repeat一遍這個值得肯定我們希望你繼續堅持我們來看搶救少子化你知道我們一年預算變多少才少子化嗎 |
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一年變多少 預算目前來看是一千多億一千兩百多億結果去年人口有多少去年出生人口有多少你知道嗎十萬七千多十萬多錢花一千兩百多億結果呢 十萬還不到死亡人數的一半很可憐 台灣快要亡國變這個樣子 |
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所以我們必須要有一個新的對策對策 你那個加五千那個東西那個方向沒有人分對大方向我們努力大方向我們努力 但是有幾個要考慮第一個 一年要兩千億每一年要兩千億 你要錢怎麼來你要不要講一下錢怎麼來兩千億的錢怎麼來你明年開始實施 兩千億怎麼來 你告訴我 |
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我們在考慮這個政策對策的時候我們當然有考慮到國家財政的結構跟能力你回答很簡單他們增加稅增加了五千億就有了 兩千億在哪裡啊你說 哼 這在哪裡兩千億有啊 怎麼沒有錢但是對於我們的一些的比較辛苦的 弱勢的這個家庭其實這一部分都沒問題啦所以我提個很大膽的啦老實講 這些政策 |
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那更要考慮財政問題我算過沒有多少錢 |
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好 接下來我們請王世堅委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢黃委員好卓院長辛苦了我覺得蠻難得的就是我們禮拜一 |
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我在這個會期第一次跟您質詢的時候談到這個法務部關於執行死刑辦的這件事情法務部是有事後也還有很快速這幾天有快速的對我做了一些答覆但是我依然執著在院長就是說要 |
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是否廢除死刑那這個大議題要經過社會討論而且要到法官會議他們這個司法的問題再行議決但是確定判定死刑的現在還未執行的這36位都是最正確雜 最大惡極 最無可換 |
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那要執行死刑是行政院這邊跟法務部你們的職責這是職責這是責無旁貸所以我希望我最後聽到的結論你們再給我再來做的結論是什麼時候要執行哪幾個案子要有具體的答覆好不好我們還要經過現判的議職經過現在的程序完成之後就可以執行 |
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該執行就可以執行我們該承諾的就是這一點現判的程序現判的程序如果照你們的這個方式去重新估驗的時候那我就上次就跟你提過我們今天在場的人全部做苦了這36位都還沒執行完畢 |
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我完全贊成委員的意思在最後一句 憲判的程序不是行政院來定的是依照解釋之後那樣的程序憲判程序的執行實質執行存乎一心那要根據我們既然是依法治理的國家 |
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那這個法律的正當性就是來自於民意當我們台灣有九成三的民意支持死刑而且認為死刑不可廢的時候那已經判定的就應該執行那因為我們今天時間有限我趕快要跟你提今天我想提的就是我們國家還有一個蠻 |
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我覺得越來越嚴重的問題因為我們這個照顧的公共化不足啦重度失能的家庭喔他們一樣要自己來扛起全部的責任院長你記不記得大概在十天前在我們台北市發生一起有一位79歲高齡的媽媽 |
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那麼把一位他53歲重度小兒麻痺的兒子那因為他已經照顧了40幾年50年 |
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他害怕他自己身體越來越虛弱得了病他怕說他先過往這小孩怎麼辦所以他就把這個小孩殺死啦這是非常不幸的人間最大的這種悲劇當然他照顧50年癱瘓而被他殺死以後法院判刑他兩年半我們賴總統有立刻把他特赦那我這個要講的一個問題就是說照顧啊 |
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不是只有家庭該做的事我們國家我們社會對於照顧的公共化我們必須扛起重責大任在這一個部分明顯的我們照顧公共化確實我們資源量能都不足 |
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現在我們大概有我們政府照顧的這個長照替代率大概六成也就是說還有四成的家庭他是自行吸收這些照顧不管他是自費也好或者他是自己聘請本國或者外國的移工外傭這些都是他必須自行來負擔這裡面有國家有 |
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這四成自行照顧的家庭國債有補助最多就一萬元那實質這個照顧費用都遠超過五六萬我相信你們都非常的清楚那監察院的調查去年監察院這一份最新的調查還說了說我們國家重度失能者 |
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的佔用我們這個公家來自於我們國家公共照顧的這個部分重度失能者從三成有使用降低到現在只剩兩成而重度的患者又是最需要重度失能者是最需要照顧的所以這個部分 |
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我們在長照服務所給付這個居家服務的時段其實已經看得很清楚我們居家服務的部分從輕度失能、中度失能到重度失能一級、二級、三級一直到八級 |
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每個月輕度失能10,020元大概折換大概只能照顧不到26個小時25.7陸續一路下來到中度24,100大概照顧61個小時重度失能最嚴重的36,180第八級的即便有36,000元我們這個照顧也只能92個小時也就是推估 |
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一天頂多就是三個小時那這三個小時對於重度而言輕度的比較沒問題喔甚至中度的也還好就是照顧他進食啦 淨身啦清潔身體 協助他一個起碼最基本的上下床鋪這個基本的簡單的復健這樣子三個小時對於中重度 |
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其實嚴重不足所以這個部分我希望說是不是院長你交代折承衛福部我們儘量把這些可以提供給公共服務照顧的就是公共化的這個部分是不是量能來增加好不好你多久可以 |
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統計出來請次長先來說明先跟委員補充當然我先非常感謝委員關注我們最弱勢的這一群那先跟委員說明一下就是說就像剛剛委員講的如果是輕度失能我們會非常希望他可以盡速回歸社會盡速能夠有自理等等 |
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這邊我們的長照或者是相關的居家是做個輔助那事實上在整個長照我們也不希望或者是我們在這個障礙者的照顧裡面不要由孤身一人像您剛剛所說的那個故事其實我們看了會覺得很可惜因為我們還有一些社區或者是國家的相關資源可以來協助主要的重點就是除了把重度失能者照顧好也不要讓他孤居我跟您講一下比方說你講的那個資料你們都有提供給我 |
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但是 我就 既然你講了 我跟你說有 現在有多元陪伴照顧服務但是次長 你知道嗎這個多元陪伴照顧服務進的這些外傭提供給要自費的家庭喔我願意自費 我來併顧這幾個移工這樣終點數這個點子還是勞動部 勞工部人家他們就想出來他們去做的耶 |
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雖然現在做的因為沒有你們的支持現在做的人力是不夠很多家庭他有需要的時候他說那沒關係那我自費公家資源不夠了我自費你們連自費該聘的也沒聘我希望說你們兩個部會充分的合作勞動部想得到的我們衛福部更應該想得到而且這個是衛福部責無旁貸 |
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第一個責任就是在你們身上了不是這樣嗎委員我們再補充一下其實還有一部分就是其實還有社區化跟機構的服務所以如果是非常重的重度有啦有其他機構服務你們有我不敢說你們都沒做像你們有做這個小規機啦小規模多機能的照護那這也包括夜間把他們收護可是這一個部分就是我剛剛跟院長講的 |
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量能不足而且嚴重不足我希望你可以跟勞動部好好商量說怎麼樣這個部分既然真的是我們人力嚴重不足啦那我們是不是請勞動部可以開放在這個部分專案來申請外傭可以進來這樣好不好 |
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我們會跟勞動部一起討論涉及到勞動的法規如何來補助本國的這些造福員增加本國的 也把外籍的能夠引進來同時能夠有一些科技上的輔助來讓他能夠更對他的造福工作能夠更為減輕他的工作量這個勞動部再請說謝謝 謝謝你這個答案時間暫停來 兩位部長 次長請回時間暫停 |
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我們台灣最難能可貴的就是台灣價值這個台灣價值就是在我們台灣我們大家有公平的教育權公平的工作權這些是最難能可貴的台灣價值那我要跟你談論的就是波波牙醫波波牙醫是嚴重的 |
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妨礙了我們台灣價值的實現不能說少數因為家庭富裕或家裡是醫生背景的他們要延續這個光榮小孩考不上我們國內的醫學系、牙醫學系就開闢了一條中南捷徑 |
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到波蘭到西班牙去這裡面牙醫最多所以叫做波波牙醫啦那我一再的呼籲說要不然我們就訂我們全國一年有350位牙醫學系畢業生那我們就訂一層35位給他通過就好 |
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可以來實習結果你們硬是把它數字化為就是要50位好啦我現在認為還應該再更進一步應該把波波牙醫設一個日落條款那這個我現在在連署當中但是我跟你們報告很不信賴 |
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就是我這樣簽簽簽我這自認為我人緣算很好簽了一年還是簽不足額我會把他簽足額我一定要送他但是我們對行政院而言我們馬上可以做到 |
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波波牙醫中環捷徑去了它不但會嚴重影響我們台灣就學就業的不公平而且也會影響我們台灣的醫療品質我們台灣的牙醫是牙醫系的學生那麼辛苦的載門進去以後那麼嚴格的教育訓練包括他們的實習都是我們台灣的這些教授這些牙醫師 |
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牙醫同仁所以我們台灣的醫療品質很好我們台灣的醫療品質包括牙醫我們是價廉物美但是這些波波牙醫他們是專案去的在西班牙在波蘭他們也設專班還可以視訊教學天啊這種的牙醫 |
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我們認為會影響我們國內醫療品質那行政院要想出一個辦法啦 你的前任他說那要不然這樣好了我們台灣偏鄉醫療那就讓波波牙醫來做做了以後讓他有這個通過基層醫療服務再來晉升到牙醫的正式訓練我認為不對即便我們偏鄉有需要牙醫 |
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那貧鄉的民眾跟我們同樣我們都是我們台灣的子民啊他們為什麼要接受比較差的醫療服務呢所以這些都不對我認為最基本的第一點我們入外療館出來該五年甚至十年也沒關係讓大家以後不要再走這條路從前代辦的業者期待的家庭大家不要再這樣了第二點應該要揭露 |
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如果波波洋醫 要在診所要揭露你的學歷國內的醫師也揭露 波波也揭露這樣對患者 對我們國民才是公平的啊否則我進去弄半天 都要拔了才知道這個是波波他是視訊教學出來的 天啊 那我乾脆在自己家裡 |
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我用條件夾在門上,自己推門我也可以拔視訊教學不接受不接受?當然是就有啊那是沒有,我們沒有通過視訊教學你去看這幾年來的,我這不跟你講啦市長,我跟院長再講,我謝謝市長你上來,但是時間暫停,你請回我最後只有一分鐘,我要提一個 |
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那個市長謝謝然後你不用再上來因為我最後一分鐘我要講跟我們這個無關的事情院長時間繼續前年UberEat要併付Panda好不容易我們大陣仗發出社會的怒火把他阻擋了光秉瑞總算從善如流把他拒絕現在他們又故技重施 |
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現在Uber換了個 找了個人頭叫做Grab他要進來要併服潘大我認為你應該告知公平交易委員會為什麼有公平交易委員會就是我們要實踐公平交易法如果這種假合併 |
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會嚴重影響到我們的店家影響到我們的外送員影響到我們所有使用的民眾的權益的時候這個毫無 |
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一律的他就是要排斥就是應該拒絕這樣子的合併你要交代他因為在我所看公平交易委員會到現在還是高而朗當不當一回事不會報告委員任何企業絕對不允許他繞道或用其他不當的 |
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好,謝謝王世堅委員的質詢,也謝謝左院長相關部會所長的備詢,謝謝 |
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接下來登記第五號洋藥委員諮詢以書面提出 |
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請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報我們本日排定質詢的委員已經質詢完畢謝謝卓院長以及相關部會首長的備詢及列席答詢5月26號星期二上午9點繼續開會進行社會福利及衛生環境組織質詢今天非常謝謝陳永康委員新竹縣的徐信義委員陪同我們一起參與今天的質詢我們現在休息 |