| IVOD_ID |
17457 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17457 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T08:35:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T12:08:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:32:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ead1a6f5ee3635aa4f2a87814fc5398840601341028818003dd3d7a8418589cc4d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。【僅詢答；相關預算提案於115年5月29日(五)中午12時前截止收件。】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:35:14 - 12:08:00 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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好 請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員9人 已足法定人數好 現在開會進行報告事項 請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議議事錄時間115年5月20日星期三上午9時至12時30分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員許中興委員等12人 列席委員鍾嘉斌委員等12人 |
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請教委員吳啟明委員一人列席官員原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇及相關人員財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬拉歐斯財團法人原住民族研究發展基金會董事長額鄧英愛報告事項主席廖昭吉委員先享報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請原住民族委員會主任委員孫藍彤所屬及財團法人員 |
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原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概括含上會期臨時提案辦理情形並被質詢原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇報告委員許中信等16人質詢分別由原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇及相關人員 |
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1568.139 |
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財團法人援助民族語言研究發展基金會董事長而鄧英愛財團法人援助民族文化事業基金會董事長馬拉歐斯答覆說明決定一登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束二委員丁學中張志倫吳啟明高金素梅徐欣盈所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另已書面答覆並複製本會宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位同仁上次會議事錄有無錯誤?沒有無錯誤,議事錄確定繼續進行討論事項,請宣讀討論事項審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分,宣讀完畢首先介紹在場委員及列席官員首先介紹我們許中興委員王美惠委員張志倫委員 |
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好我們與會官員行政院秘書長張敦涵秘書長法規會主任委員林建宏好那其餘官員我們自行參與的名單那現在這個進行報告請行政院張敦涵秘書長報告 |
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1655.359 |
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主席各位委員各位媒體先進所有收看網路直播的國人朋友大家早安非常謝謝召委今天的安排能夠應邀至內政委員會報告行政院院本部今年度的 |
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計畫預算跟編列重點非常榮幸也感謝立法院對行政院的督促以及支持請代表卓榮泰院長表達誠摯的謝誠那以下我也請就114年度的預算執行情形跟115年度的預算編列的狀況的重點進行摘要並重點的報告第一個就114年度預算執行的部分 |
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以稅率來講去年編列2001億決算數這個2002億執行率是百分之百就稅出的部分 |
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去年度的預算原本的預算案是15.3億後來經過這個立法院的審議法定預算為13.3億再加上追加預算以及動用二倍金的部分最終是動用了13.9億元決算13.6億元執行率97.85%行政院作為 |
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這個憲法所定的國家最高行政機關為了執行今年度的施政方針推動各項照顧人民協助產業強大國家的法案及政策有幾個重點也跟大家報告第一個就今年度稅務預算的部分今年度稅務預算編列2100億5249萬元增列98億 |
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主要原因是國發基金繳庫增加100億就稅出的部分今年度行政院稅出預算編列16億4715萬元較2014年度法定預算增列了2.8億 |
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增業的項目主要是兩項去年全數遭刪除的計畫包括了新聞傳播業務經費5254萬元以及施政及法事業務經費的1437萬元除了前數兩項被去年遭全數刪除的計畫之外今年也增業包括 |
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人事費1.6億 聯合服務費也就是中南東雲嘉以及離島金門馬祖的五個聯合服務中心的預算2813萬元院區基本的維運費1606萬元資訊軟硬體設備等相關的經費1403萬元以及提升災害應變及城鎮韌性的預算805萬元等 |
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雖然就法定預算增加了2.8億但落較去年的預算案來看也只增加了1.1億元那行政院的稅出部分如果就用途別來看人事費佔了69% 將近7成業務費佔了22.2%設備及投資佔了8.1%獎補助以及預備金各佔0.2% |
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以下也就13個計畫項目進行簡單二要的說明第一項是基本行政基本行政編列了11.6億元其中主要是辦理人事、文書、黨管、安全防護等維持基本行政開銷的費用11.6億當中人事費佔了10.6億元業務費佔了9920萬設備投資佔284萬獎補助則為47萬 |
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1884.636 |
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1909.719 |
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第二就施政及法治業務的部分這項預算去年遭全數刪除今年則編列1437萬元主要是辦理院長電子名義的信箱以及電話辦理院區開放參觀法案審議法治諮商審理訴願案件等等較114年度的預算案 |
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1911.079 |
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1930.645 |
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雖然是增加了1437萬元但是如果只叫預算案來講實質上我們還減列了51萬元也代表我們要滿足憲法所規定人民溯源權利的同時我們也遵截了部分的預算我們是遵截了出國的相關計畫那第三個在施政施展聯繫的部分 |
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1931.905 |
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1948.182 |
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這項預算我必須強調從2018年以來都是編列615萬元今年也是編列615萬元而這項預算去年遭到這個刪除300萬元所以我們今年其實是回編到過去的水準615萬元第四項聯合服務的預算 |
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1952.446 |
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1959.27 |
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這項預算很遺憾去年也遭到全數的刪除後來經過追加預算感謝立法院追加了975億元我們五個聯合服務中心 |
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1962.369 |
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1986.854 |
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咬牙苦撐也服務人民到了現在那今年會編到正常的水準3788萬元第五項在災害及國土安全的部分今年是編列2363萬元第六項在性別平等業務今年是編列2195萬元那特別是要符合 |
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1988.075 |
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2007.706 |
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性平的政策以及落實消除對婦女一切歧視公約的政策及施行法今年也必須辦理第五次國家報告及國際的審查會議第七項也是國人非常關心的消保業務跟食安的業務今年是編列了1432萬元 |
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2011.591 |
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2019.617 |
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較去年度的預算法定預算增列了339萬元而較去年的預算案則持平沒有任何的增減 |
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2020.899 |
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2049.302 |
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第八項在資訊管理的部分今年編列了7,299萬元較去年的法定預算增加了1,403萬元但較預算案實際上只增列了400萬元那主要我等一下後面也會補充說明主要是在行政院所有的工作夥伴AI應用增進行政效率所需第九項新聞傳播的相關業務這項預算去年也遭到全數的刪除 |
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2050.243 |
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2060.609 |
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那今年則編了5254萬元第十項行政院也會持續的推動人權的工作跟轉型正義那今年的預算編列了1315萬元 |
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2063.715 |
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2081.008 |
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第十一項在個人資料保護委員會的籌備的部分今年則是編列了1.5億那主要還是希望能夠加速的進行各支會籌備的相關工作那在第十二項一般建築及設備今年編列了6800 |
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2083.129 |
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2096.794 |
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一十萬元主要的用途是在於第一個前院長孫運璇的過去的宿舍正在進行整修當中第二個行政院院本部是一個 |
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2099.294 |
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2119.6 |
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83、84年的歷史建築也必須做外牆的修算那目前也有很嚴重的屋頂漏水的問題等等為了提升這個同仁工作的安全性以及便利性我們必須編列設備的補修的預算那最後則是定義費金380萬元跟往年都相同 |
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2122.284 |
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2150.443 |
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今年雖然已經過了三分之一但是展望接下來的幾個月我們還是有八大施政目標希望能夠進行第一個我們來希望能夠提升行政的效率落實施政的目標感謝立法院去年行政院提出了59項法案有些已經三讀通過有些人在審議當中今年度迄今行政院也已經提出了包括 |
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2151.48 |
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2162.525 |
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發展觀光條例包括老農津貼八千變一萬包括國民年金法救福法等十八項法案正在立法院審議當中 |
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2164.517 |
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2188.056 |
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那接續的還有像我們今天審議的中央政府總預算昨天才召開過臨時運用會的國防的軍購的預算以及即將到來正在籌編當中的110年度中央政府總預算希望立法院能夠支持那行政院這個會期所秉持的幾項優先法案包括財政依法 |
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2189.077 |
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2215.328 |
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預算兩岸住宅三法環境司法等等都希望能夠在行政立法能夠良好的良性的互動當中穩健來推動第二個施政目標是強化資安防護導入AI應用行政院是A級的資安機關跟大家報告每天行政院必須遭受 |
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2217.322 |
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2242.167 |
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200到300萬次的資安攻擊而且攻擊的樣態也複雜多元因此行政院必須持續強化包括端點防護精準修補系統等等弱點必須持續強化零信任的架構汰換老舊的包括網路防火牆電腦相關的設備來強化行政院的資安韌性 |
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2246.513 |
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2274.81 |
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而為了迎上AI應用的時代我在這邊特別感謝廣明星前秘書長在他任內籌編這本預算的時候留了一筆AI應用的運算讓行政院的工作夥伴能夠使用今年度行政院透過虛擬的服務引擎使用速發部TryAI的平台架構行政院同仁今年有500個 |
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2276.482 |
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AI的帳戶來使用同時我們也為了治安把所有的資料留在行政院的安全的環境裡面我們希望透過這樣的使用由行政院帶頭整體的政府工作同仁能夠試著使用AI學習使用AI駕馭AI來提升我們的行政服務向人 |
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2303.766 |
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第三個施政目標是強化社會溝通二組錯假訊息雖然很遺憾去年新傳出的預算全數刪除但新傳出的夥伴同仁們能努力不倦每年行政院至少會有50場重要的記者會500則以上的新聞稿 |
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在社群平台500則以上的貼文影音平台超過100則影音的剪輯我們都希望立法院今年能夠支持行政院的相關的宣傳社群的預算第四個重要的目標是強化單一窗口實踐在地服務行政院的五個聯合服務中心今天的執行長應該都有在現場 |
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五個聯合服務中心是行政院跟在地服務的橋樑也是第一線服務的窗口經過去年丹納斯颱風馬太安溪艷澀湖事件我相信在地的民意代表在地的民眾應該比較能夠體會 |
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所有聯合服務中心夥伴的辛苦跟他們的付出產職英雄各自回到他們的崗位了但是此時此刻我們東部聯合服務中心的夥伴仍然在花蓮光復鄉常設據點提供民眾服務這就是我們五個聯合服務中心需要被支持的地方 |
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第五個重大的實證目標是我們必須提升災防韌性精進應變體系我們會持續強化中央跟地方災防的協調協作機制也會強化國土安全的應變系統 |
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持續落實時人、時地、時務、時作、時景、午時的城鎮韌性演習而城鎮韌性演習也持續的在進行當中第二項重要的施政目標在於推廣性平觀念、守護普世人權成為我剛剛所講的今年在CEDAW會有第五次國家的報告 |
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而今年也會制定新版的國家人權行動計畫目前也已經在進行草擬的階段而回顧過去一年我們在國家不法案件平復以及權利回復方面我們辦理了不法案件平復公告2322件審查通過675件受損賠償申請 |
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辦理民運回復證書頒發1586人今年為止已辦理的平復公告197件審查通過賠償事件218件頒發民運回復證書436人次各位委員各位國人今年是台灣總統直選30年 |
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我們在享受自由民主的當下我們也應該記憶、感念這些過去為民主奮鬥的前輩第七個施政目標在於推動各自保護保障銀行安全謝謝立法院過去司法法制跟經濟委員會聯席審查各自委員會 |
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的組織法在去年5月經過 |
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委員會審議通過,6月曾經進行過朝野協商不過一年了,快一年了我們仍希望各支委員會能夠順利持續在立法院進行審查讓他通過,畢竟依照憲法法庭的判決各支委員會應該要在去年8月成立了我們已經delay了快要一年了那各支保護事件我想近期也是國人非常關切的事件 |
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在食安的部分我們持續強化食安五環2.0的推動而在個資守護的部分去年度我們也媒合了公益消保團體像是處理體育人文創倒閉案今年度則有全真瑜伽倒閉案也跟大家報告最近近期社會矚目的愛爾利集團 |
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侵害隱私案行政院也在日前跟自救會有所連結也推薦了公益消保的團體接下來協助團體訴訟的部分行政院也會持續落實五環的政策在國人所關心的乳製品的部分我還是要再次強調 |
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接下來只有台灣本土的乳製品會標示為鮮乳這項政策會在7月上路食安辦正在緊鑼密鼓的就標示跟業者的協調溝通進行努力我們一定會落實食安保障國人最後希望 |
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在近期立法院行政院較為良好互動的環境之下大家同心協力能夠為台灣穩健前進來共同努力就像楊雙子在日前得到布克獎的得獎感言台灣是民主自由的國家 |
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我們是一個主權獨立的國家依照憲法我們叫做中華民國主權屬於台澎金馬的國民我們國家的前途的未來需要台澎金馬全體的國民跟公民來共同決定執政團隊一定要全力以赴 |
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全力努力不只讓更多人覺得當台灣人很幸運還要讓所有的國民覺得當台灣人很幸福以上報告 謝謝 |
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現在進行詢答委員諮詢前,原例作以下宣告本會委員諮詢時間5分鐘,必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員諮詢時間5分鐘,上午10點30分截止諮詢登記那因為今天預算詢答,本次會議就不處理臨時提案,請問各位委員有沒有意見?沒有現在進行詢答,請登記第一位的許中信委員諮詢 |
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主席 各位同仁有請祕書長 張祕書長祕書長好作為一個讀書人人生最高的目標是行政院祕書長這個職務您的職務是非常關鍵的一個職務 |
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所以我今天才來跟你交換一些意見在日本黑船事件庫洛夫內日本的天皇大將軍旁邊的老中掌管整個日本行政大權您雖然很年輕其實您是扮演這個老中的角色非常關鍵那在黑船事件日本要不要開戶 |
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兩邊爭執的結果是老中被暗殺所以秘書長您知道您的職務非常的重要我非常的重視剛才您的報告我非常仔細聆聽我在台大法學院念書的時候我受惠於韓忠謀桂育老師這些都是國民政府帶過來的法學精英桂育老師他住在我們徐州路跟紹興蘭路的交叉口 |
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結果那一邊沒有紀念它卻變成一個藝術沙龍我一直很感慨我之所以能夠學的國際貿易法、海商法、保險法都是因為它的傳承今天我聽到您行政院願意去把孫運璿的宿舍來再整修紀念我非常的感動因為我看到民進黨現在開始有這種氣度 |
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願意去承認1949年國民政府蔣介石所帶來的這一批中國的精英要不是共產黨佔據中國大陸他們也不會到台灣這個島所以我們對他們對台灣的貢獻我們一直謹記在心蘇玉璇她其實是中國當時留學萬修庫尼 |
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滿洲國學得電機知識的人當時到台灣來要能夠恢復日本時代所建立的電力系統他是唯一的人選所以有這樣一個對台灣的重大貢獻我們真的要紀念他我非常感動所以我們現在這個全國這樣一起來保衛台灣就像祕書長剛才講到的 |
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好像你說最近立法院跟行政院關係比較好好像在講我非常謝謝但是我個人應該不是因為我我們本來就是該刪就刪該審就審中國現在魔我日氣所以中國對台灣的間諜的佈見包括中南部的廟會各種協會團體無孔不日 |
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而中國這一套 李克強會去游泳 去世 變成李強完全沒有資訊所以各位就可以看到這個情報的建置的重要性所以我看到你們報告裡面有國土安全 土地的 食品安全有個人隱私資訊的安全 |
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但是我們的保密防諜也就是說行政院長以及您處理台灣很重要的國家機密我沒有看到你們的報告裡面有保密防諜方面的指出那你們如何做到保密防諜我們院長如何來做休閒他是不是也游泳 |
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委員我可以回答嗎請委員你是我的大前輩也是大學長您是師承韓老師我是師承以氏的五根大法官那剛剛委員垂詢到的保密房諜的部分我想我剛剛有報告到行政院今年是增加了蠻多的資安預算資安沒辦法在通用的這個各種的行動載具上面包括 |
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各種方式我們都加強那當然我在關心的是行政院長身邊包括他的休閒他所處理的一些資訊沒有通過資訊系統的資訊系統我們會做嚴格的把關這個請委員放心那至於院長身邊的人我想這個對於相關的隨戶跟工作人員本來就有相關的辦法做這個考核的機制這個在去年也開始逐一的來落實也更加的謹慎在處理這個要嚴肅以待 |
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這個要嚴肅以待中國的部件是無孔不入你從李克強變李強你就知道這個是很嚴肅的一個議題所以中國一定會部件在行政院長跟您的身邊所以這個是我們必須要有這個謹慎那第二點我看到你們的會議你剛才有提到法務尊檢了51.54萬我非常的感動你們刪除了這個出國考察的費用 |
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今天變成說我在過去我們行政院長達成重大法案不附屬我看你們的法案審查有一般法案的審查會還有重大法案的審查會而這個財政收支發分法不附屬當然是一個重大的法案那你們當時是透過怎麼樣一個機制讓院長達到不附屬這樣一個結論出來 |
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委員請問我可以回答嗎當然好委員剛剛說當然就回答了這個問題齁 |
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依照憲法第37條總統依法公佈法律須經行政院長附屬委員是法律專家這個博學多文所以須經行政院長附屬某個程度也代表附屬權在行政院長身上這此言差矣台灣是立法司法行政商權分立法我相信委員可能有不同的法律見解但是行政院長行政沒有審查立法但是不可否認的是也有許多的法學 |
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這個學者也認為行政院長擁有了復議權、釋憲權跟附屬權我想這個我們可以做一定程度的討論我們當時憲法37條的設計就是如果不附屬就是自愛燃省自愛燃省就要提復議那根據舊的憲法57條不復議結果如果未通過辭職或是應急接受辭職就是他只能離開應急接受就是附屬 |
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那我們現在徵收條文把辭職拿掉那表示院長只有接受這條路他不接受變成總統要跟他免職那總統跟他免職有兩種方式一種就是行政免職 |
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一種是總統行政院長違反我們的憲法徵修條文違反公務人員服務法第一條沒有遵守法律然後根據我們公務人員服務法23條要適用工程法第九條司法免職 |
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委員謝謝你齁這個您比其他的法學背景的委員還要專業至少剛剛講出了憲法徵修條文第三條已經廢止了憲法第57條那附屬權跟附議權確實寫在兩個不同的憲法條文當中那我也必須再一次強調如果立法院又或者是這個人民弄違院長行使不附屬的權利有違憲之餘也可以依照憲法徵修條文第三條執行保格或者釋憲 |
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你們當時的幕僚作業你在重大法案達成不附屬你們是怎麼樣來達成不附屬這個幕僚作業委員跟委員報告齁當時的裁劃法的再修版他至少違反了憲法三條的法條那個要釋憲 |
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這個違反會計年度 憲法第59條第二 最重要的是預算權是行政權的核心這個違反權利分立的原則第三個是憲法第147條這個地方均衡的原則這個應該要附屬公布成為法律再提示憲這個我回到剛剛跟委員講的就是說憲法第37條免定總統依法 |
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公布法律須經行政院長同意這個須就代表這是行政院長的權利37條之後要走入互譽57條的程序就像委員所講剛剛所講的57條已經被憲法正確條文第三條廢止了那如果這個行政院長互譽之後遭立法院否決那行政院長行使他沒有辭職的機會他行政院長行使不附屬的權利立法院認為有疑義的時候可以依照憲法正確條文第三條 |
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執行倒閣又或者提出釋憲我想這個法律有權力必有救濟釋憲一定要公布法律才可以釋憲法律必須公布但是憲法第37條應該很清楚附屬或不附屬是行政院長的權力行政院長 |
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辭職或應急接受現在沒有辭職選項就是應急接受那他不接受也就是不附屬這個時候違反憲法徵修條文所以他是違法如果委員覺得違法可以提倒閣根據我們公務人員服務法第一條公務人員要服從法令包括憲法行政院長不服從公服法第一條根據他23條要送公務人員懲戒法 |
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委員這個剛剛你講到的沒有錯公務員都必須服從法律包括憲法憲法最核心的一個精神至少以中華民國憲法來講是權力分立原則每一個人都有守護五權分立當時行政院長做這個部署的重大決策的穆亞洲會就是您秘書長一個人跟他討論的嗎 |
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我想這是非常多人討論的結果那也成如我剛剛講的至少他違反了憲法三條的條文而且委員那個時候可能還來不及參與但是當時財化法的再修版已經讓今年度要舉債2992億的中央政府的總預算要再增加2646億超過預算法15%流量的上限這個行政院是做不到的 |
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當法律走到盡頭,獨裁就要開始我們之所以重視法治,郭毓老師、韓忠謀老師教我們就是要遵守法治所以我每天走在台大法學院附近,我都在想說我的所作所為有沒有違反我的老師也就是這些國民政府帶過來的法學先輩對我的教導 |
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委員 跟委員報告齁今天在內政委員會您跟我 你在質詢我所以我問的是幕僚週一這就代表沒有獨裁嘛 對不對同樣一個憲法的條文您跟我有不同的見解也代表台灣是一個民主的國家所以您剛剛所講的法律沒有走到盡頭台灣也沒有獨裁謝謝 謝謝祕書長 |
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我們下一位請張志倫委員發言質詢好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員早有請行政院秘書長張敦海秘書長 |
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好 秘書長早秘書長想要先請教不管是最近賴總統520的這個演說或是最近行政院推出這個少子化因應的一個方式來跟秘書長請教那最近大家都很關心這個行政院或是賴總統他們提出的我們所謂的這個0到18歲大概每個月補貼5000塊的這個叫做成長基金的這個預算 |
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那我們可以看出來本行商當然是非常支持這樣子的預算因為我們今天我們也看到聯合報用頭版的方式來去做說明就是因為從2016年開始從蔡英文政府上台到今年2026年到賴總統執政第二年我們看到我們的出生率從1.17 |
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一直像溜滑梯一樣下降到0.87所以少子化的問題已成為國安的問題所以現在賴總統宣布說每人每月發五千塊要來解決少子化的問題我想我本席是支持的我要這邊再請教秘書長的問題就是說這個的裁員在哪裡第二個法源在哪裡第三個它是我會編載116年的公務預算 |
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謝謝委員的支持那我具體的回答第一個裁員這幾年全國的國人的共同的努力之下稅收很好經濟成果也應該世代共享我希望不是一次性的給付而是照顧一整個世代因為你照顧了年輕世代可能照顧了一家三代這是第一個裁員的問題那第二個在法律的問題委員 |
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您是會計師背景出身應該知道目前衛福部有一個弱勢兒童這個發展的帳戶那是否從相關的這個法源來進行修正又或者是有其他的法案可以提出目前行政院能再做最後的研議那近期內就會拍板最快下週會宣布 |
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這個一定會牽涉到一定程度的修法到時候也請委員能夠支持第三個回答委員實存的問題因為要涉及修法我們當然希望最快明年可以上路但是修法的時間跟速度也希望整個大院不分才有的委員能夠支持 |
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所以第一我要提醒秘書長因為今年8月我們的預算就要開始編列了那我本席當然希望說在8月之前我們不管是修兒少法還是少年福利法儘早送進來讓立法院來做一個核准那本席也希望可以編在116年 |
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的年度預算裡面我覺得這才是行政院行政效率展現的一個非常積極的一個做法那第二個裡面剛有提到0到6歲是發成長基金5000可是6到18歲他的成長基金5000裡面其中2500元是說存入到未來的基金 |
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那因為現在我相信行政院有沒有辦法確定到底是存在未來的基金還是存在未來的帳戶這2500元是否是強制一定要存下來那以及這個未來的帳戶的錢是否可以動用我可不可以拿去做投資等等相關的問題我想現在還是打上一個大問號是不是可以請秘書長這邊可以來說明因為你們應該是有很完整的想法才會來公布這樣的措施讓民眾可以了解 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告行政院確實有注意到在黨不同黨派的委員提出的過去的一些所謂的兒少未來發展專戶或者是帳戶的這個所以是代表是存在基金還是存在帳戶容許我一點時間說明 |
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在野黨的版本本來是0到12歲開戶經驗我們先講行政院的版本就好因為時間的問題好不好 拜託一下為什麼行政院會採取這樣的方案所以你意思是說行政院是參考在野黨的版本去做行政院的版本嗎我們是修正了在野黨的版本修正了在野黨的版本 為什麼呢因為0到6歲是最需要支持跟減壓的時候所以0到6歲每個月 |
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五千塊六到未滿六歲每個月五千塊六到十八歲已經有在賴總統擔任副總統時期已經推行十二年國教免費的狀況之下已經有國教體系的支持所以我們主張六到未滿十八歲每個月五千兩千其中兩千五存起來 |
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然後當作政府跟未來世代一個18歲的約定當你成年的時候你會有一個基本上至少36萬的本金可以拿去繼續升學或者創業這是我們的構想 |
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所以還沒有確定到底這個是基金還是存在帳戶這筆錢能不能動用都會有什麼條件或者是未來可不可以這筆錢拿來去投資目前還在演繹當中我想細節最快下個禮拜會宣布但這個細節宣布的時候我想全體國人會更了解整個狀況那也不只是0到18歲每個月5000的方案我們還有非常多的措施當作完整的一個家庭支持的方案來推動 |
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市長現在可以透露一下因為這個也會牽扯到預算你說除了這個兩千億的經費你未來還要再增加多少經費兩千億的經費之外其他的部分都還在涉算當中畢竟執政黨必須負責任我們必須精算所有的裁員能夠跟目前還沒有確定可是下個月等你們大概禮拜四這個院會開完會以後應該會提出相關法案最快下禮拜 |
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所以在下禮拜會提出相關方案因為本席還是要特別跟秘書長報告因為法源很重要所以我們當然希望說在八月編列預算之前這個法源要先有法源再編預算這也是行政院展現我們行政效率的一個最重要的一個跟委員報告會有非常多這個法案可能需要調整跟修正因為這一次 |
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不只是一個照顧小朋友的系統我們用不明確的內容我們就可以加接下來下個議題OK但我想要請教就是剛剛秘書長特別有提到說各支委員會我們叫籌備目前還是籌備委員會那本身是不方 |
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需要來拜託秘書長回去跟拜託行政院長說我們各支籌備委員會已經籌備112年了籌備到現在已經兩年多將近快三年的時間了已經花了大概我們國家的預算大概已經快四億多的預算主要在人事費專王費等等 |
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那我們想說 秘書長當然有提到說這個還在立法院審議當中可是這到底是不是行政院的優先的法案優先想要成立的這個各支保護委員會的一個成立因為已經花了四億多目前來講這個各支保護籌備委員會沒有目標 沒有成效那我們已經注入了大筆的這個我們國家的資源跟經費那是不是可以請秘書長提出您的態度 |
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跟委員報告這個問題應該還是要拜託立法院趕快加速所以行政院的態度是你們會請執政黨的委員加速來推動相關的委員會的成立嗎當然也是要請在野黨的委員能夠支持委員會成立而且跟委員報告各支會雖然還沒有組織法通過成立但是已經公布了八項執法就在等各支會正式成立能夠正式的關卡所以行政院會回去會加速喔 |
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就是讓朝野來合作 盡速來成立各自保護委員會嗎是嗎 您回答是或否就好了 好不好我們不用回去 我現在就可以拜託朝野的政黨委員來支持 趕快成立沒有同意 好 OK 再來我們在想 就是有關於有詐騙我覺得才是行政院 行政院現在還是有一個打詐辦公室那之前本市 本委員在質詢的時候 我相信今天我們長官也上台了 一直在講就是說現在詐騙金額 |
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還是相當的高那受害人一直在請求的就是說他們的財損的金額是不是可以返還到他們自己的身上那之前我們有在質詢的時候不管是法務部或者是我們今天行政院打造辦公室都有提說要去成立一個 |
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反環就是詐騙的這個財損的反環基金的一個制度那我想說已經已經快要從去年的12月到今年5月已經將近快要半年的時間了請問這樣子的反環基金的制度是否還要再拖下去還是已經有一個進度了我想反環的制度已經法制化確立了行政院在去年11月13號請問一下如何反環這個已經成立了如何反環委員 |
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多少金額多少財稅的部分多多少比例未來可以返還到被害人我跟您報告一下齁詐房條例在去年11月13號行政院會通過送立法院審議也在去年底完成刪讀 |
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那其中有三個重點其中一個就是委員您所提到的返還制度目前新的法是如果相關的加害人他必須他如果想要求減刑免刑等等他必須在六個月之內 |
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依照協調全數會依照調解的金額返還當事人現在所有詐騙的金額裡面會不會拖一定的比例來成立被害人返還這個財損的基金來去返還被害人因為現在被害人很多沒辦法在法院裡面沒有辦法證明說我跟這個被財損的金額是有關聯性的導致他們求償無門 |
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所以當時我們跟打雜辦公室在行政院質詢的時候我們說是不是有一個返還被害人的一個整體的基金不是說受害人跟被害人兩個和解的基金師傅你可以請你的這個主管來稍微說明一下好不好你要講嗎感謝委員的垂行你是不是趕快時間的關係到底你們現在成立的狀況如何我先就是當時我們認為就是這些你們認為可行還是不可行還是在演繹 |
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就是他有困境他的困境是在於在財政紀律法裡面有規定新成立的基金必須要穩定的來源財源然後這些被沒收的錢 |
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委員簡單來講財政紀律法第七條有規定如果要新成立基金必須要有確定的財源目前沒有這個財源所以至於是用基金或者是用其他的方式目前行政院在研議中好 沒關係 那我們稍後我們再來討論好不好最後一個問題 |
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立法的 所以這個沒有問題好 最後一個問題喔我本席有在行政院會質詢的時候有請教有關於這個大家知道的 當時這個游蕙欣女士啊的這個霸凌案的調查事件那我們現在看到最新的新聞喔說這個外部委員 |
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當時就是因為這個案子荒荒複雜請外部委員來調查那外部委員現在已經調查完畢現在就目前的新聞來講是在統整報告書這樣對嗎那我想要請教一下調查報告是否可以在六月公布那我相信秘書長這邊應該已經掌握了這個很多的調查的結果那您認為調查的結果會大概是怎麼樣可以稍微透露一下嗎 |
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跟委員報告幾點喔第一個因為我也是台美經貿談判工作小組的成員所以從調查開始我就自請迴避我會知道過程但我不能過問結果我只希望結果是公正徹底公平第二個整個調查過程 |
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發放了84份問卷回收了70份問卷訪談的規模實體訪談24人書面訪談2個人每一個人的訪談時間從有半個小時到最多超過5個小時不等所以這是一個規模相當大 |
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的調查工作那目前所有的訪談工作已經到一段落就我所了解調查委員這些外部的專業的調查委員正在撰寫報告行政院會在法定的兩個月加一個月的時間法定時間之內盡快提出調查結果除了快除了盡快我們希望不能草率所以現在目前還是三個月沒有說會盡快到什麼時候我們希望在二加一之內盡快提出結果好那謝謝 |
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我們下一位請蘇小慧委員發言質詢好 謝謝主席 我們請張東南秘書長委員早 |
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前兩天,行政院卓院長與賴總統向國人宣布了政府將提出《台灣人口對策新戰略》,推出了這個0-18歲全程支持方案,讓年輕人可以兼顧工作與家庭,敢婚、敢生、敢養。 |
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那這其中呢包含了0到18歲每月5000元的成長津貼婚孕產個別價類的合理規劃0到6歲的彈性育兒假持續推動婚育宅育嬰住宅減稅優惠等措施那這個路長有沒有感受一下這兩天地方風向輿論如何 |
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我有看到委員發臉書表達支持那我在這邊我要特別感謝蘇巧慧委員如果委員有注意到總統昨天宣布的是一個0到18歲家庭支持方案是由這個家庭支持方案的名稱就來自於蘇巧慧委員的建議因為不只要支持新生兒支持年輕人我們要支持照顧者 |
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是我想這是一個全新的概念也謝謝行政院願意採納本席的想法我們認為其實不只是把長輩小孩顧好事實上長輩小孩顧好之後中間這個三明治爸媽中間的青年階層其實正是在照顧需要照顧的人但他們自己也應該要被照顧 |
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所以這一次我們提出的方案是以家庭為整個核心概念全方位的來照顧所以我是相當支持這樣的一個方向也認為這是正確的不過秘書長您剛剛也說接下來會有細部規劃那會在下個禮拜來提出所以我現在就做 |
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我可以看到的感受到的在社會大致支持我們的方向之後衍生出來的一些細部問題向您就教也許在下個禮拜提出方案之前還可以參考一下首先第一個問題的話是我們大家都知道剛剛這些方案都很好尤其是這個婚孕產假 |
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這些個別價類的合理規劃大家都覺得很棒尤其是勞工階層大家受僱者都覺得很好但是最怕的就是看得到吃不到那請問行政院這邊有沒有領導整個政府單位有什麼樣的措施可以確保這些價值受僱者真正可以使用到 |
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跟委員報告行政院這次也參酌了主要是日本政府的經驗依照目前的性供法如果家中有一個三歲以下的小孩子你請假可以提早一個小時下單但是沒有給薪但在這次行政院的方案當中 |
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我們會編列一定的預算給予企業替代人力又或者是職業職代人力的津貼鼓勵企業放手放寬心讓員工們能夠回去照顧小孩我相信這也會是企業想要的因為現在大家都希望攬財留財 |
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是謝謝秘書長你這個回答再次讓我們宣告這一次我們新的這個人口對策裡面其中一個很重要的概念就是照顧照顧人的人說當企業願意有這樣的想法來照顧員工他願意 |
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把工時變成彈性之後那其實企業的營運成本就由政府來幫忙承擔我想這就是整個核心的概念過去我們當然是怕這個受僱者有看得到吃不到的福利尤其是在價別等等所以我們要勞基法、信工法這樣的法律做保障但這只是一個事後 |
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事後的保障所以這次不斷是剛剛像這個民主黨剛剛提到的就在這種彈性工時的部分政府給予企業的支持這種津貼的部分由政府來承擔那我甚至再大膽的再提出大膽的再提出一個想法我昨天公佈的在新北市未來的家庭照顧政見當中向大家報告的是 |
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如果一個企業願意再想方法做更多的這一類的措施的推出也就是企業建造友善職場的時候做出了超越法定優惠的給價幾薪等等措施那麼政府應該要鼓勵他也就是政府引領整個社會風氣朝向企業主動 |
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為受僱者設計更好的職場所以本席提出如果在新本市未來這樣的企業是有友善家庭的措施的時候最高獎金我們願意發放一百萬元最高的獎金我們願意發放一百萬元我們認為這是一個社會政府引領社會風氣最好的時間我想這個牧師長也可以參考看看這是第一個跟委員報告 |
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你知道嗎 0到18歲全程的照顧除了國家一起養 國家一起養之外我們當然也樂見有所作為的地方首長 中央地方一起負 一起分擔但我也跟委員說明政府目前正在推動強化企業托育的方案在這一次即將提出的方案當中我們也會持續加碼 如果企業願意 |
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投資更多照顧員工的托育方案的話我們也會加碼給予企業減免一定程度的負擔因為我們這次主要也有兩個核心的目標第一個 |
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雙親的照顧更平等第二個勞資的關係更平衡我相信這個就是委員所強調的要照顧照顧者我想這真的是新觀念要引領新時代整個社會整個時代已經來到這裡了所以剛剛不管是性別平等或者是勞資平等都是我們希望構建未來更友善更進步的社會環境應該要做的事情所以 |
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謝謝這樣的話我會更期待行政院下個禮拜要推出來的細部方案不過剛剛秘書長提到的這個托育的部分那我也要跟秘書長再就教剛剛您在說的這個企業鼓勵企業設置托育的部分我們當然很知道也很支持這個企業設置托育的方案但是也跟秘書長這邊互相討論一下你看我們在新北市有30萬家的事業其實中小微企業是占了大多數 |
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所以你要小微企業來設置托育 托育設備 托育設施其實是有它的困難度的所以如果在這個方面我們沒有辦法給它更多的協助或鼓勵的話其實這就是回到剛剛有可能變成看得到吃不到秘書長我在這裡的話我已經提出了政府呢應該主動媒合中小微企業 |
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聯合設置托育設施而且呢讓這些中小微企業聯合設置托育設施之後如果你的前三年有虧損那政府補貼50%因為談錢很俗氣但是談錢也很實際啊說真的給大家最大的支持就是你已經照著這個方向做了但是但是如果真的還有負擔有虧損那麼政府一起來幫忙 |
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公委員報告第一個我具體回覆第一個主動媒合中小微聯合設置這個托育設施才不會只有大企業其實也是我們的方向公委員報告在新莊副都心您的選區新莊副都心中央的第二行政園區目前就是各部會聯合做托育的工作所以這個方向無論是公部門或是私部門就是因為我們看到它有成功的案例所以我們覺得可以朝向企業界有這樣做第二個委員提出的補貼的方向 |
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也許跟我們的措施不盡然完全一樣但是方向是一致的沒有關係我們可以既競爭又合作因為得利的都是人民既競爭又合作的各政府機關單位我覺得這是對人民最好的部分好那最後最後一個部分的話我也想要再跟這個秘書長這邊再討論一下因為我們在收集這兩天大部分的社會語情反應的時候其實還有一個點會覺得 |
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要可以多幫忙他們考慮一下可能會更好這個氾濫就是其實在現今我們有很多年輕人有理想想創業政府也鼓勵輕創那這個當然都是小微企業所以變成一群年輕朋友一起來創業可是這一群年輕朋友因為這個設置的關係嘛制度設置的關係總有人要出來幫負責人吧 |
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對不對 所以當了負責人之後 哇 這個發現我們同樣的一群年輕的好朋友 為了一個同樣的理想在前進結果 因為我當了負責人 我要扛創業的風險但 可是剛剛政府提出的對受僱者的支持方案包括這個價別啊等等啊這些 其實我會變成我沒有辦法受到政府的支持 |
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所以這個部分的話我覺得行政院其實可以思考一下如果在輕創的這個部分也能夠對願意創業扛風險的年輕人也給予適度的照顧這是我們發現的一個問題昨天總統除了講0到18歲成長經驗之外他有提出一個所謂1000億鼓勵中小微企業事業支持方案我想未來我們會把委員的意見納入其中 |
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對 我認為這個問題不見得是放在少子化的這個不見得放在家庭照顧的這個部分但是這個輕創者他同樣是一個趕婚趕生試婚試生的年齡的時候其實在輕創的部分我們也許可以有不同多元的思考委員最後能否給我半分鐘感謝一下委員我記得幾個月前我曾經跟委員就教如何能夠 |
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讓年輕的爸媽願意生您跟我說您的意見是要給年輕爸媽喘息對所以我提出要增加零拖和夜拖真正需要的是托育是喘息喘息的時間跟空間我想很大的精神也納入了接下來我們要提出的方案跟措施當中雖然不盡然會100分或完美但是我們一定會全力以赴 |
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非常感謝行政院有聽到我們的聲音因為我想對年輕爸媽來講真的我們知道政府對長照已經提供了喘息的服務就是照顧人的人也需要被照顧那我想大家這個各自在上班忙碌的雙薪家庭父母要同時育兒真的非常辛苦所以我們希望這個育兒的喘息服務也能夠納入未來的方案當中謝謝 謝謝秘書長 謝謝主席 |
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好 下一位有請廖仙翔 趙偉資訊謝謝主席 麻煩幫我要請張秘書長請張秘書長謝謝趙偉 趙偉早安林部長早 這個剛剛跟 |
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在聽這個許中信委員的詢答之後我其實心中有些疑問就是說在立法院通過的法律除了傳統的行政院這個復議之外那目前有兩種比較創新的做法第一種就是總統公布了行政院長也附屬了然後最後沒有執行第二種是總統公布了那行政院長沒有附屬那我再請問一下秘書長其實這兩種的結果 |
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對人民來說其實是一樣的啦就是沒有執行嘛那我們行政院去怎麼去判斷原本以前可能就是先是附屬然後法律生效了之後不執行那現在直接不附屬這兩個的差異對你們來說在這個可能類似一樣的法律你們為什麼會有不同的兩種的可能說抵抗的方式 |
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我覺得第一個為什麼我剛剛專案報告的時候一直強調說在近期行政立法相對比較好的良性關係之下能夠推動國家往前進也是希望最近貴黨很多這個同志在講說翻頁的事情我希望那些東西都能夠翻頁而當初行政院為什麼就才化法以及後面的四項的正義法案進行不附屬確實是因為 |
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憲法第37條已經明定行政院長有不附屬的權利所以當法案超過一定程度的憲政分際的界限的時候行政院當然必須有守護憲法 捍衛憲政的權利 |
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那既然我現在都沒有要反駁您我只是說差異比如說之前這個軍人加薪行政院也是有意見嘛然後總統公布了行政院也附屬了那你們也認為超過了這個憲政的分際了但是你們是選擇了附屬了之後不去執行而現在是直接選擇不附屬我想在你們剛剛提到的幕僚裡面的作業為什麼會有這兩種不同的做法 |
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兩種是不執行的結果我想選擇不執行又或者不附屬最後就是希望爭取那兩種的差異在哪裡?對你們來說?我們希望爭取能夠事情有轉圜的空間舉例來說 張偉您剛提到的關於軍人加薪這個部分大院最後也做了決議希望半年內大家能夠提出方案那是最近的事嗎?我們就是希望說 |
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這個有爭議的法案它能夠懸崖勒馬所以我們選擇這樣子最後當然殊途同歸但是我們希望的是無論用哪一個方式我們在憲法所賦予的框架下面合法合憲的守護國家的憲政 |
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既然行政院的立場當然不是說我贊同行政院的立場是認為這個違反了憲政的分際了所以你們不附屬對不對剛剛的大家說法是這樣子那前面你們也認為超過憲政分際的法案為什麼你們附屬了這差異在哪裡再來說對你們來說你們有不附屬權的話你們應該從頭到尾都不附屬嘛那為什麼前面的法案去把它附屬了最後選擇不執行 |
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如果委員還能夠回到當初裁劃法的那個當下這個問題我們不討論法案的本身而是你們認為這個法案既然都已經逾越了憲政的分際那你們既然認為已經可以用不附屬來達到你們的表達你們的立場了那為什麼先前你們要附屬然後是先經有附屬再也不執行這兩者的差異我想要了解 |
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委員前面的幾個法案的時候憲法法庭還尚能正常運作但在裁判法的那個當下憲法法庭是被在野黨聯手癱瘓的我想委員如果回首 |
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那個時候就已經那個憲法法庭人數應該都已經不足了這個問題應該要問立法院不是問行政院沒有我剛剛就問你們這個幕僚的一個這個剛剛許中興委員很關心我們幕僚怎麼做決策的就好像是不是我的感覺啦也不一定是對的好像突然大家都認為說法律就是總統公佈行政院附屬然後突然有一天行政院突然發現 |
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這個法律的文字解釋我們好像可以做我們自己的解讀我們好像突然突然發現我有這個權利了我就突然可以改由附屬不執行直接變成不附屬我的感覺會是這樣我的行政院並不是突然發現先把第37條一直寫在那邊 |
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當初是立法院如何的去侵害到其他院的職權我想大家都希望反對我這個不跟你我剛剛就講了我剛剛其實在用字遣詞上面我都是不用過激的語言來做討論我只是想了解你們的決策的過程而已那既然沒關係您沒有辦法很明確的 |
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說出來那我也不再追問了啦那沒關係那回到我們比較關心的民生議題啦我有一個困惑就是大家都非常關心這個0到18歲國家一起來幫忙這個照顧嘛那現在我有一個疑問就是說我們賴清德總統上任了兩年嘛那剛剛有許多的委員都針對賴總統昨天的政策提出了一些詢問但是我們好像行政院還沒有辦法針對很多的東西做詳細的說明都說必須要等到 |
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可能下禮拜才有比較有明確的一個這個詳細的方案我的疑惑是這次520不是賴清德總統就職的那個520是賴清德總統就職兩週年的520怎麼會在就職的兩週年的520所提出的政策沒有辦法在總統一宣布出來之後所有的部會都一次把這個政策說清楚所以我懷疑我們的 |
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無論是行政院提供疫苗還是總統府怎樣到底是哪時候開始決定要推行這個政策了這個政策其實已經討論非常久了這個很久了然後我來行政院當秘書長我覺得你來不及過一個禮拜就講得清楚這樣子這個我來當行政院秘書長之前賴總統跟卓院長就是希望我能夠把這項政策完整的盤整跟提出 |
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那我想已經接近到時機非常成熟那就是你們幕僚的問題啊怎麼會讓總統在520發表完演說了之後跟大眾說還需要一個禮拜才能夠給大家最詳細的方案這是我們的法條可能本來就準備好等我們總統一宣布了 |
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我想所有的方案幾乎都已經到了最後的階段了那總統也非常清楚那你們怎麼沒有辦法趕得這個一個禮拜的時差就好像感覺我們的總統在提出這個方案的時候是一個非常急救張的一個政策的宣示而不是經過幕僚單位縝密的討論然後再由總統來做宣布我必須跟您報告今天是禮拜四現在正在開行政院會而我跟所有的處長都在這邊所以這樣你懂 |
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為什麼要到下禮拜了吧OK 好 所以你們認為行政院會是一個比較好適當的報告的時間院長在上一次或前幾天在立法院大院接受詢問的時候就講過所以你們的法條都準備好了嗎已經跟總統報告過了這個總統會有一定的政策宣示這個接下來我們也會通過行政院會來做正式的定案我們法條都準備好了嗎 |
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應該是就緒了已經完整了哪時候可以送到立法院我想會在最快的時間就在送最快的時間?對你覺得有人能夠支持?我們當然支持我們黨團已經表達我們絕對支持了因為我們本來就在總統講之前就已經提出來了 |
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好那想確認一下最後一點就是財源的部分啦這個剛剛律師長有說這個這幾年大家這個全民共享經濟嘛台灣經濟的果實非常的好啦那之前在野黨提出一些可能福國利民的一些民生的補助等等的一些方向啦那有許多的朋友都會抨擊國民黨在配合共產黨掏空台灣啦 |
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那現在行政院也提出了這樣子的一個政策啦那每年大概多了一千多到兩千多億的預算啦我不要把它當作是一個對國民黨的批評或對省的批評而是對增加社福預算會掏空台灣然後可能是配合對岸在做一些掏空台灣國防能量的一些做法不曉得這部分行政會怎麼來跟這些有疑問的民眾做說明 |
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我們還是得回到憲法第70條的精神預算權是行政權的核心他們沒有說預算權的權利他們是說邊內的這些經費會掏空台灣那不曉得秘書長會怎麼樣針對這樣的一個質疑 |
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我希望立法院各位委員 無論是朝野政黨的委員都能夠清楚的認知到任何一個國家 他的資源跟預算都是有限性的只是我們怎麼去選擇預算的分配所以你也不會認為國民黨基金的預算4千7百億沒辦法納入特別預算而必須依照貴黨所主張的納入年度特別預算是不是會造成排除 |
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現在跟你確認0到15歲國民黨之前提出的方案你也不會認為是在掏空台灣嘛對不對0到15歲的方案我覺得國民黨黨團應該去思考你們到底是要堅持0到15歲的方案又或者是跟你們原本0到12歲的疊加我們現在黨團宣布就是支持行政院了嘛對不對我只是問你國民黨的方案有沒有掏空台灣 |
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國民黨的方案有沒有偷光台灣這個問題應該要去問人民這個4700億的軍購如果不上在特別預算因為你們的規模預算比國民黨大嘛如果不上在特別預算寫在年度預算裡面然後又不能排擠社福預算那是排擠什麼預算好 謝謝下一位我們邀請王美惠委員質詢 |
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主席 將來必須中 現將必須中來 |
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市長 今年一八十五年 現在已經國會的中選也將要過關了在這個過程當中 我們的行政院的議席還沒審 還有很多民生的政策也還沒審 |
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北省說實在的,你如果說清國案,北省都認爲,要保護中華民國的台灣,大家都會去關心一點因為民生的政策,我相信很多人會關心和歡樂 |
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在這個過程當中,我們看到鄉長做院長19歲時,有一個政策的步驟,本來我們是 |
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出世以來九六歲的寶座,現在是寶座到十八歲剛才有很多我們的同學說你的錢要有帶來,你是怎麼會想到鄉鄉要寶到十八?剛才我們先聽你的解說,說明說不是鄉鄉的,是有個位一坡一坡 |
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因為特等的建議都被採納了,所以在這幾天,包括我們的駱總統曾經說過這個政策,我們昨天曾經說過, |
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我覺得這不關待一黨的提議,如果不可以看起來,我們一黨都同意所以必須要趕緊,難得的機會,每一黨都同意這個政策,跟你們認為外國可以上來是否來 |
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港日元補充報告一點就是無關是政策也好 疫情也好 他們這幾天說的0到18歲每個月5000的方案 |
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沒有排除現在已經在做的0到6歲大家一起養2.0那是再加上去的0到18歲的方案除了這一頁啊行政局這次0到18歲全程支持的方案粗暴啦 粗暴有十倍 十倍上的進程我們在做最後的盤點最快下個禮拜會通過行政院會相關的修法會盡速送到立法院希望所有的委員能夠支持 |
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因為秘書長本身也要自己探討,因為我們的政策、我們的做法,不會因為今天來內政的質詢提問,提問之後會延長啦 |
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所以我相信你們每一個政策,是整個國會都在判斷要多少像剛才你說的,我們過這年回來,就要過兩千億所以我覺得做一個有擔當的政黨,不是像其他 |
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要看往下滑的,這樣說實在也會覺得說全台灣中華民國的北西支持我們這個政黨我們這個政黨是要有擔當的人,不是看我的,看我的如果沒有我做的時候 |
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這樣就很害怕了,所以在這個過程當中,我覺得這個0到6歲,6歲到18歲,這是很有感的 |
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是大人也好,老人也好,去給他們處罪,他們都會覺得說,喔,這樣政府可以保持,這樣也可以給年輕人減輕他們的負擔,但是在這個過程當中,我們的國民年輕,我要拜託 |
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我們的秘書長 我覺得有不足的所在問到我們現在配額到五千 你想想看這個老人一天他剛才花了兩百塊你看五千的三百 會捏國民年金的人秘書長 你知道是怎樣會捏國民年金的人嗎 |
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來主要是沒有其他的保險嘛對啊所以說國民年金的人說實在他的生活還有非常困難嘛在困難當中我們的補助也有去補助你弱勢團體的補助但是國民年金就是它有限制一些條件它也沒辦法去地方政府 |
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年低收入負的,所以他只有可以年國民年金所以我認為,我們每一項就是剛才蘇朝輝說的我們的政府想要有小孩子照顧到老人,老人照顧到出生孩子 |
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這就是我們現在所要做的所以 秘書長 我覺得每一行我都覺得你們是非常地用心在用心的當中 我們有做了不少的我們要多去了解 多去關心再來本身 因為我們要心儀聖在正當 我來自自己我會自己 會因家難 |
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聯合處會議算三條,水稜到配額為何,我們有最佳預算,在這個過程當中,我要立必須聽說,到日期,這個迎接人聯合,是對 |
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服務,家裡吃也好,家裡玩也好,甚至台南,就是服務給予佩適在當地很方便的所以我們要開始審議上,我在這裡要拜託我們的秘書長 |
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可以多用心去溝通,正當有問題,沒有代表經理有問題,會去問,要不然已經有帖子,要通知也好,要宣傳也好,希望我們國會,政府的 |
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但要關心跟每一個溝通,因為像剛才我跟秘書長說的,我來自各地市,對我說實在,你要三年不到,要付金錢三年,自己的所在、業務費、經費 |
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你在外面來選我教育這樣是很沒利啦所以在沒利的當中就是剛才彼此講的我們是自由民主的國家我們在這裡的國會不是限制你在教育上可以選教育而已你在外面也可以選教育有時候選完後地方會發生很多困擾是不是彼此講 |
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在這裡,我先跟你說,你有什麼要溝通的做法嗎?來,秘書長,你說一下我要感謝立法委員的支持在座很多委員,他們總是每天在地方做事沒有分洞牌,應該最了解第一線,通靈的信仰所以,我在這裡 |
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請求 也拜託 我們無分靜頓的地方委員可以來支持我們國會聯合服務中心的一生讓第一層的同仁可以有聚落可以有足夠的預算 能夠在第一線幫人民服務委員你來做教育 應該最了解在丹納斯颱風的時候 我們雲嘉南服務中心我們同仁是多辛苦的在救災 在保護人民那是一個整個國會 |
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會不容易重建做到一個程度的階段那不是一天的風態一天的水災那是過了過的沒人沒你就怕怕所以希望感謝委員的支持我也會做好我的工作跟大家拜託跟大家溝通來清除這個疑神因為秘書長本身是來自嘉義市也是嘉義市的北省支持我 鼓勵我我跟今天可以在這裡跟您接觸 |
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但是在這個過程中 我覺得怎麼打拚 怎麼糟蹋我都覺得我應該做的但是在這個過程當中 我要跟秘書長說你用這樣的貨物 我相信有的當然他那個感覺沒有出來 |
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我願望我們今天開會之後各黨委員要用心去看顧我們的醫生因為剛才你們也報告過 由你們主動選擇或選擇由他們如何去做或做 我相信每一黨的立委都有感受到但願望有意見的時候 你們要趕緊去選擇 |
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協調一個 改善一個 這個是最重要的 |
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因為我認為這個過程當中說到另外是很辛苦的說沒有你也有一天,你如果沒有他生後,他不做,他又怎麼開玩笑的但是有財政的公務另外,他認為他保安的這樣 |
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一定會為我們政府的事,不過應該要做的,但他沒有辦法做,所以就像彼此前面說的,放大來,放好來,但是要發生什麼,所以大家最重要,重心比心,未來國家會好,大家也要想到說, |
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你們的家庭 你們的父母 你們的家庭的孩子可以讓他們好好生活的 以上謝謝委員 我們共同拍檔 謝謝我們下一位 請黃婕維委員發言質詢好 謝謝主持人 我們請秘書長 |
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委員早好張秘書長早今天大家都在談論這兩天我們行政院跟總統府甚至總統親自宣布說0到18歲每個月5000那其實這兩天我聽到地方的反應其實大家都覺得非常的正面包括剛剛連這個我們國民黨的委員都說支持行政院的方案代表說這個是各黨的共識也是一個造福全民的福利政策 |
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那我必須要說其實對很多家庭來說給他們足夠的時間育兒給他們足夠的資源來支持他們照顧家庭其實大家就會有盡到這個鼓勵的作用因為大家需要的是大家現在都是雙薪家庭那大家也需要有更多的社會的支持這個對他們來說才是最重要的那其實我也看到說其實我們這個政府的政策啊其實在很多先進國家都已經做了 |
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包括日本德國這個北歐的國家法國其實都有類似的政策正在進行所以我們這個政策其實也不是太新的政策而是要趕快跟上世界的趨勢來更多給予更多的這個支持讓這一些願意生養小孩的家庭大家有這個意願可以投入這個家庭的行列那我必須要說其實這兩天這個政策啊我們想要看到的是更多的細節 |
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因為更多能夠決定說這個國家能不能往前走我認為很多關鍵是在這一些照顧的細節裡面包括說現在有提到說這個彈性的育嬰價可以已經變成是育兒價了嘛原本只有0到3歲現在是可以提升到0到6歲那這個其實對很多家庭來說就是一大福音那因為大家需要的是剛剛其實祕書長也有講到說大家家長需要的是喘息 |
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那也需要說大家在工作之餘真的有足夠的這個相關的假可以讓他們有足夠時間來照顧小孩那另外我必須要問的是這個接下來的包括婚假產假賠產假甚至是育嬰留庭相關的我認為這個是很多家庭關注的重點所以其實這兩天大家除了說這個關於這個錢要多少錢之外這個價 |
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我相信是更重要的那所以我在這邊想要請教的是因為其實我不斷的也在倡議我看勞動部也是有算是支持我們提供的這個建議說要有更彈性的相關的這個假期包括這個賠產假然後育嬰假等等都必須要更彈性那家長才可以說需要的時候就請 |
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那再來我要問的是我在總諮詢也提過的這個育嬰留庭的津貼啊因為其實我有提過說現在不管是勞工還是公務員大家都還是不太敢請的原因是因為這個上限其實雖然說現在可以領到八成但是其實實際上是不到四成五 |
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那所以我想問的是當時其實院長在總質詢的時候也答覆我說會不會是研究看看有沒有機會來提高這個上限不管是對公務員還是對於勞工來說大家都需要看到說我請這個假請下去對我的薪資來說不會太傷那我才可以提高這個動力來請這個育嬰留庭跟 |
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委員報告第一個我剛剛感謝了蘇巧慧委員我也要感謝黃婕委員因為我記得我跟您請教過您跟我說少子女化它不是一個問題它是一個現象我們必須發覺背後的問題是什麼經過我們的統計跟研究背後的問題是什麼呢第一個家庭跟職場的拉扯 |
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第二個經濟負擔或者是買房子的壓力第三個是有可能的生活習慣的轉變因此這次行政院的各項方案是針對這三個問題來的第二委員您提到的關於 |
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育嬰留庭的津貼的部分既然育嬰價變成育兒價相對的育嬰留庭也會變成育兒留庭在薪資門檻的部分在投保上限的部分我們會做一定程度的放寬跟調整 |
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在月份的部分我們也會做一定程度的放寬跟調整但是前提必須是我們希望爸爸媽媽都能夠同時投入照顧小孩子這樣子才能夠達到所謂的雙親更平等 |
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好謝謝秘書長所以我希望看到的是接下來家長要請育嬰留庭的拿這個津貼的時候不只是他們說本縫的八成啦就是以公務員來說我之前也舉例過他們本縫的八成最後領到的就是大概只有四成所以我希望的是接下來不只是可以領更久也可以領更多這個是剛剛秘書長接下來會朝這個方向來努力對吧對沒錯我們會做這個方式的調整 |
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好 謝謝秘書長的承諾再來另外一個我想要提的是公托因為其實現在我們公托大家都還是以都會區來說都還是都在一個這個候補地域當中也就是說大家想要排都還是要排很久然後永遠都地方在處理的就是說這個優先順序的問題這個條件怎麼設定我要怎麼樣才可以提早讓我的小孩在這個公托的社區裡面是可以往前排的 |
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那所以呢我在這邊想請教的是我們現在公托我看了一下其實以我們這個台灣的出生人口來計算其實我們可收托率是達到四成五那可是這個四成五實質上呢這個真的有送出去的只有二成六也就是說看起來是這個托育的資源是非常不平均的照理說我們應該可以收托的是更多才對 |
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那所以我在這邊想請教的是因為我看了一下其實國外的這種托育的重複登記或者是說因為他們就是現在都是家長要到處去登記然後我們要花很多行政成本說這邊有一大堆因為他已經排到其他的所以我們要重複刪掉 |
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譬如說中間耗了非常多的行政成本但是在國外他們是有一個統一的托育的平台就是說家長可以直接勾選包括他的條件然後他想要在哪裡那他們會統一幫大家分派那可以節省非常多中間的行政成本還有家長在那邊等的那個時間甚至他想說今年排不到我還要等明年然後我還要跑很多個地方去登記 |
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那所以我想問的是我們有沒有機會來成立一個比較統一的托育的媒合平台那到時候這個其實就很方便我相信以現在的技術你用AI很快就可以讓大家可以有一個統一的排序那家長會心裡有個底說我今年大概可以在哪裡排到那對於這個托育的 |
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我想委員的建議很好齁這個如果我沒有記錯的話以委員的選區高雄市來講 |
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公托雖然很難一觸可及但高雄的平價誘保的結果成果已經是六度第一那未來再資訊化 媒合化的部分我想中央地方是可以一起努力的好 在這邊給一個很實質的這個建議謝謝祕書長好 謝謝委員我們下一位請張宏祿委員發言質詢 |
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我請祕書長昨天總統有說0到18歲國家養 |
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我早上看到也有一些委員大家在關心這個進度但我們知道如果以行政程序來講的話,總統有這個宣示的話所有的法案、條文要行政院院會通過然後才可以送立法院嘛這個程序是這樣嘛,對不對那如果這樣的話,應該這禮拜或下禮拜的行政院院會就可以對相關的法律條文有所處理了吧 |
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我們希望最快下個禮拜行政院會能夠先通過計畫那條文陸續送出 |
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對嘛,所以你確切的應該,我在想最晚最晚都已經這樣,這也不是一天一天想的嘛所以我覺得就是跟大家就很明確的講,最晚就是下禮拜所有的這個條文什麼,就可以送立法院了讓大家都覺得就是這樣啊,讓全國民眾都可以非常清楚的知道我覺得這個都已經很明確了嘛 |
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這樣是不是大概期程也是這樣目前規劃的期程確實是這樣是這樣 |
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也有人在說這個0到18歲過來大家都支持也有很多人在講說錢從哪裡來其實我覺得行政院其實也有必要大力度的宣導一下去年因為經濟的成長台灣有110多萬戶是不用繳稅的 |
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可是這很多人不知道那今年在經濟這樣好轉的情況下我們要調高那個扣除額我相信會有更多人是不用繳稅的是不是啊 秘書長今年最主要的扣除額是增加了長照從12萬到18萬所以我相信應該會有更多的國人是可以透過這樣的方式在減免繳稅 |
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沒有啦,我覺得以今年啦,如果以今年這樣來講的話啦齁單身的上班族大概64萬齁,是不用繳稅啦雙薪啦齁,租屋家庭等大概110萬啦四口之家齁,如果是租屋的啊齁,然後有兩名六歲以下子女的大概168萬那如果三代同堂的話齁,這些條件還有長照大概218萬以下都可以免稅 |
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對啊,其實這個如果不是執政的好,如果不是經濟成長拿來的這個結果那表示我們的稅收是夠的啊才可以調高啊對不對而且我們這幾年的所有的稅收其實都比預期的高啊那尤其像今年第一季的經濟成長率也還不錯啊我覺得這個 |
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也要跟大家說清楚,讓大家明瞭這個錢一定有,一定夠啊只要大家都朝野都支持0到18歲國家養,馬上就可以明年就可以來做啦是不是應該這樣 |
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跟委員報告我剛剛也有跟其他委員報告經濟成果全民共享台灣這幾年在大家國人共同努力之下稅收的成果相當豐碩但我們的希望透過各項的法案或者是政策經濟成果不只要全民共享我們也希望世代共享不是一次性的給付而是希望能夠照顧一個世代尤其是照顧下一個世代等於一家三代都照顧到所以我們希望是朝這個方向來進行 |
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對啦 朝這個方向 我剛講的重點是我們有這麼好的成果 宣傳的力道不夠啦其實很多人還不知道啦很多人還不知道 我跟你講 同一個家庭裡面我相信啦 剛講的四口之家 報稅的是年輕人啦他的父母親就不知道他今年不用繳稅了 |
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很多是這樣,我覺得我們要加強宣傳的力道讓大家知道謝謝委員如果要加強宣傳力道,請委員跟各位先進能夠支持新傳出5254萬的預算我當然支持,我是全力支持的 |
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再來我要請教一個,我們行政院預計要成立個人資料保護委員會,這個籌備處我們現在籌備的如何? |
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跟委員報告各支會的籌備處這個目前都運作的還算順暢那雖然很遺憾啦依照憲法法庭的判決應該在去年8月就要正式成立喔但是這個相關的組織法在去年5月委員會審訊之後6月立法院召集一次朝野協商之後到如今快一年了沒有新的進度所以 |
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行政院的立場還是希望立法院不分朝野能夠共同支持個資會盡快成立那也跟大家報告再次強調個資會雖然沒有正式成立但是個人資料籌備處到目前為止仍然津津悅悅已經公布了八個個資法的執法只待個資會成立能夠正式公告為什麼要特別問這個問題最近大家都在很關注這個醫美診所這個真空偷拍 |
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我們這個如果相關的法令我們這個各支會如果儘早成立其實對這個現象就有很大的保護力道如果越早成立其實是越好的 |
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委員說的完全正確這個我也要趁這個機會跟委員報告以這次的醫美事件又或者是其他會涉及到身體隱私的場域目前雖然都有個人資料保護法可以保障但是在執行上面我剛剛講各支會的籌備處已經公布了已經預告了八項執法 |
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其中有一項就是我手上的檢查非公務機關落實個人資料保護法情形作業辦法草案裡面就有明定對於民眾日常生活相關領域不需要太多的作用法這邊就有明定主管機關中央地方應該要加強稽查跟聯合稽查我想所以從這個例子就可以證明各自會早一天成立就是對民眾權利隱私權早一天的保障 |
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對嘛 所以行政院的看法也是跟我的看法一樣啦那當然有一些法令的問題在立法院這個但我要今天要講的是在還沒有通過的時候我覺得這個各支會啊 像剛剛秘書長你講的有些前期的工作還是可以正常的做啦他們在進行當中對 這樣子到時候一成立馬上就可以處理我們未來對這種偷拍啊 對這種我們就有更多的保障 |
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也趁委員的質詢跟所有的委員先進跟國人報告這次的醫美診所醫學醫美中心的事件之後法務部九個地檢署同時啟動偵查 |
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這個警方的系統配合中央中央加地方已經展開對超過400個場所的的稽查教育系統衛福系統也結合地方進行了加強的稽查法都在加強稽查我們希望能夠遏止所有的不法行為 |
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在這邊先宣告待王洪威委員發言諮詢結束之後休息五分鐘現在請高丁素美委員發言諮詢謝謝趙偉 有請張秘書長委員早秘書長早安請問您來這裡備詢是代表您個人還是行政院長還是整個行政院的團隊我是以行政院秘書長的身份來這邊備詢當然是代表行政院 |
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所以不分一個人的意志我想我個人的意志並不是那麼重要好 謝謝剛才我聽到張秘書長您在報告您在最後說執政團隊要全力以赴不只讓更多人覺得當台灣人很幸運而且還要讓所有的國民覺得當台灣人很幸福 |
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我要在這裡跟您說的是台灣人感到很焦慮一點都不覺得幸福而且覺得未來是沒有希望的我期望行政團隊你們不要再自欺欺人了好嗎為什麼我要這麼說呢那你們離人民太遙遠了那我為什麼要這麼說呢我當立法委員二十幾年了 |
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我從來在立法院 歷任的行政院長沒有以儘管儘管對立法院的法案有意見 從來沒有不附屬的而現在卓院長 才院內多少年 兩年不到吧請問一下 秘書長昨天是520 剛過兩年你們就有五個法案 不附屬的我想你也不用在這邊回答了啦 |
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你們不附屬立法院也不尊重五權分立立法院通過的法案委員當立法院進入行政權之後行政權又有義務捍衛憲法跟憲政你聽我講完好嗎我們不要在這邊這個隨常存在你根本沒有個人的恩怨我們就是就事論事我要講我的感受我要講我看到的請你先不要回答 謝謝 |
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我在立法院二十幾年來就我知道我看到從來沒有一個行政院長縱使對立法院通過的法案有任何的意見他不附屬的 |
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五權分立就是最基本的尊重好我要講的是我的族人其實呢不感到很幸福為什麼呢而且感到很生氣昨天就在這個地方我們省園民會的預算看一下這個資料按照原住民族的人口估算在115年的中央總預算原住民我的族人應該要分到大概827億元 |
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結果呢 園民會他實際的預算也只有128億連六分之一都不到 這代表什麼這代表的是執政黨你們嘴巴說非常重視原住民但是真正到了預算分配的時候我的族人永遠是排最後 砍得最快 分得最少我認為這個已經不是忽視了 這是歧視為什麼我這麼說 |
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原民會跟我的主任有多卑微你們知道嗎我們連要修復一條安全回家的路都被行政院你們打折啊110年的時候蘇貞昌當院長我帶領著原住民的30個原鄉跟他爭取到每年1.7億元的道路聽好養護經費 |
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養戶一條路修好了但是我們長期以來沒有養戶的經費好不容易到110年我爭取到了1.7億而4年也全部用完這表示什麼族人很需要 |
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結果到115年的時候 郭院長你們只願意給6500萬連一半都不到請問秘書長給族人平安回家的那1億元被誰拿走了委員第一個 |
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我要幫蘇貞昌院長講話他的女婿就是原住民族所以他沒有問題第二所以這院長的女婿是原住民所以你答應原住民是這樣的意思嗎你會有點失真因為立法院修過的財政收支劃分法 |
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讓花蓮台東等等地區的地方的預算增加了所以不能只能夠用園民會的預算來統計在每一個族人身上的預算那如果有需要預算增加的部分我想行政院在財政可許可的地方一定會全力支持但是現在確實是很多的錢下到地方了 |
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跟財政劃分法沒有關係昨天原民會在這裡就說了115年的時候他們只能東挪西補猜原民會的預算東強補西強然後在這邊承諾我116年他們會再向行政院把道路養護經費給要回來 |
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我為什麼覺得非常不公平跟憤怒呢美國積欠六千多億元的軍購交不出貨我們的政府可以當沒有這麼一回事一句話都沒說結果呢我們的族人一年不到1.7億元的大陸養護經費你們卻說因為財化法的通過上放到地方政府了所以你的意思是說 |
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原住民碰到政府的時候要跟地方政府跟中央政府嗎委員然後原民會還在這裡說請聽一下原民會在這裡說116年要跟你們再要回這個1億元請問你們給不給委員 |
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原民族人有需要的行政院一定會全力支持但我希望委員不要再去扯什麼軍購講來講去你只是為了反對軍購是這樣嗎沒有啦我講的是事實啊美國支援六千多億的軍購交不出來我是用比喻我是用比喻原住民也是台灣人民然後對然後軍購的錢都是人民的納稅錢當 |
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美國答應我們要給我們這些軍購我們錢也已經交給他了但是沒有交貨的時候你們一句話都不說人民的感受是什麼而我們原住民少了一億被你們行政院拿走你卻告訴我彩化法通過了所以要給地方政府去跟我們中央沒關係你覺得這種感受是什麼啊張秘書長我的意思不是說要去跟地方政府要而是中央地方本來就要一起努力嘛好的一起努力嘛你講最好啦好不好 |
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OK 116年你在這邊承諾要把那個不見的意義補回來對不對我會把計畫認真拿出來看 該支持就會支持好 謝謝第二個 綜合發展基金113年總預算的時候 我就在這個地方要求園民會你們必須要跟行政院爭取 爭取什麼呢平均三年要用攤補的方式把綜發基金的財務缺口給補足 |
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也就是115年到117年的每年應該要補23億人民會呢也向行政院發文了請問秘書長目前撥補的進度到哪裡我不是很確定撥補的進度到哪裡希望你用心一下好不好我們看人民會最新今年4月中發基金的月報基金現在只剩3.7億了累積虧損已經要68億元根本就要破產你知道我們中發基金要做些什麼事情嗎秘書長 |
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你如果不知道的話今天可能沒有那麼多時間跟您說了行政院我們的文匯會跟您說我們要做些什麼我們不會讓中發基金破產這個請大家放心好 謝謝我剛剛就講到115到117年你們每年應該要撥補23億可是呢你們今年應該要撥23億你們就給5億這是事實連零投不到 |
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園民會呢在這個月呢不得不再次非常卑微的向行政院發文喊話我們已經沒錢辦業務了請秘書長該還的還是還給園民會好不好委員該支持的都會支持什麼叫該支持這本來就是應該這個本來就是應該的啊 |
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而且是在113年就已經有阻絕一部分民事法的存在第三點我要講的是賴總統任期已經過了一半我們回顧一下賴總統對原住民的政見是什麼第一個 居住在都會區的族人已經超過六成了都是原民發展條例 我們看不到 |
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還說不合時宜的資生統一辦法要辦理喔 要修喔現在還沒有修還說要制定保留地管理條例 目前也沒有然後族人最殷殷切切期盼的就是援助民族自治法還有屠海法我們連一個行政院的版本 聞都聞不到最後我要再講白一點 因為我們的主席已經按了三次零了 |
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如果行政院連族人平安回家的道路的經費都不願意補足欠蒸發積積的錢都不願意還的話那還談什麼幸福呢所以民主黨我希望您今天回去的時候把我們原住民族族的聲音牢牢記在您的心上然後您說的 |
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兩件事情 安全回家的路 中發基金給補足當然法的部分我們還會持續追蹤接著人會審理的預算如果這兩筆錢沒有要回來的話我會一筆一筆供給行政院預算好嗎 謝謝你們我們一定會全力支持原民朋友也會支持原鄉的照顧我們不要照顧我們只要公平對待民宿長 謝謝委員 不只是公平對待 要更好的照顧 |
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那個零不是我按的,特此澄清我們下一位請王洪威委員發言質詢好,謝謝主席,請張秘書長 |
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委員長秘書長昨天行政院宣布了這個對於育兒教育今天的大禮包之後呢其實社會大眾非常的關切也很多的媒體關切那我想請問一下按照行政院的時程也就是這些這個所謂的大禮包是不是預計在明年1月1日可以上路公委員報告因為裡面牽涉到很多修法的部分我們當然希望最快明年可以上路 |
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最快明年 也希望大家能夠支持修法因為事實上國民黨黨團已經推出在這裡面 昨天大禮包裡面其實有很多的這個方案 這個Page方案裡面國民黨團已經提出來 所以我覺得基本上在修法的進度 基本上我們會支持 |
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那所以這是時程的問題行政院預定就是說如果在修法的這個時程上是大家有共識的話明年1月1號可以上路最快希望明年1月1號另外請問一下就是昨天行政院提出這個經費大概是2000億元 |
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但是因為現在所在立法院提出來的116年的預算裡面並沒有相關的編列所以這2000億請問一下是未來是用追加預算的方式嗎 |
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如果最後通過兩千億有可能更增加那別說國民黨提出來的package大概是兩千四百億左右這個數字兩千到兩千四百億左右那未來這一筆預算那麼行政院的規劃是什麼 |
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跟委員報告 委員剛剛可能有點小小口誤現在不是在116年的預算 是115年對 沒有錯因為相關的幾個計畫確實是需要牽涉到修法那修法的部分如果在明年可以渴望上路的話那我們會放在116年的預算裡面 |
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所以你會放在116 也就是2027年就是明年的因為明年的預算如果修法通過的話很快立法院也要因為你們是今年下半年提出明年的預算嘛對不對所以也並不需要用追加或者是其他預算所以2000到2500億元現在行政院應該有一些規劃了 |
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因為我們提出來是兩千四百億那行政院昨天提出來的大禮包是兩千億這個金額不是差很多啦希望委員支持啊對啊我們會支持啊我們會支持啊我們提出來的這個大禮包是兩千四百億當然也跟委員報告當然也跟幾個委員報告也不也不只有這一項我們總共有十八項措施有新增的我知道我知道因為你們你們另外還有還有一些租稅的優惠因為我們時間關係好請問秘書長 |
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最近其實對於國人最關心的事情尤其在女性朋友上最關心的是真恐攝影而且這個真恐攝影無所不在也不是現在才發生過去陸陸續續 |
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那麼在這個不管是新聞報導上或在網路上那我們最近發生的這種連鎖性的這個醫美也好或者作業的中心也好或者大型的商場的試衣間 |
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那但是呢其實早在去年的時候台北市政府有對行政院有個發函說希望能夠對真孔攝影機能夠做一個規範就是包含當時台北市政府提出來的是源頭式的管理比如說這個在買賣的時候是不是採取實名制 |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
但是當時這個是由行政院秘書長回函當時你們以原國外的例子或者說如果貿然進行源頭性管制怕影響合法政堂的運用那我當然理解比如說以現在來說用這樣的攝影機它比如說包含有些 |
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年輕的父母來怎麼樣去這個來看管小孩也有在使用會對寵物也有在使用但是但是因為現在網路上這種隨便販賣隨便隨手可得的這種真恐攝影啊你告訴我你是因為為了要照顧寵物照顧小孩我是根本不會相信因為他已經設計到比如說一根螺絲釘 |
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我想你照顧小孩你並不需要在那邊用個螺絲釘來做攝影或者是什麼在這個USB看起來我是在那邊插USB可是這裡面就有針孔攝影或者是我看起來我是一個水杯但是事實上我對著你事實上我在拍你所以我的意思說 |
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我們對於源頭管理還有應該有一個專案的管理是必須的是必須的所以剛才您回答這個張宏祿委員講到加強稽查比如法務部這個已經是犯罪了犯罪當然相關的從中央到地方的這個司法機關要介入 |
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可是我們要可以業者比如說尤其你平台你在做販賣的時候這一種產品明明你看都知道它一定是屬於這種偷拍因為那種產品明顯就是要用偷拍用的或者是說業者本身要有加強稽查的義務 |
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這個都需要我們來自於這個中央要有一個規範所以我在這邊我也注意到昨天黃毓業長說他要加強平台的管理要不要做修法另外我也要求內政部能夠召集相關的主管機關這個主管機關很多啦書發部、NCC、法務部不是只有內政部而已 |
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那內政部呢 也很善意 他說他們會來召集因為最近這種事件 層出不窮所以我想請問一下 行政院支不支持委員讓我說明一下第一個 我本人已經召集了相關的部會包括法務部 NCC 經濟部 教育部最近已經召開過會議了那就幾個層面跟委員跟國人說明第一個 |
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就個案的部分我已經要求加強偵辦加速辦理而且所幸目前相關的監視的設備包括NAS等等都已經扣押目前是還沒有流出的狀況但我們會密切關注這是個案的部分第二個就場域的部分目前都有罰規可稽查可罰 |
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第三個就行為的部分我也請法務部跟相關單位研議是否加重刑責第四個在社會跟委員剛剛提到的設備的部分我也請這個 |
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包括財政部、經濟部、NCC等是否能夠做到加強溯源機制為什麼我會回這個函呢我舉一個例子因為我實務上有去請教過相關的專家 |
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在實務上有一種可能也事實上存在有一些受到家暴的女性朋友她需要類似的設備來反徵收來收證來保護她的權利如果很貿然的講實名制又或者是我看到有幾位委員說原則禁止例外怎麼樣 |
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沒有我們基本上台北市政府的建議是用實名制管理就是防止就是當他有犯罪的時候他可以溯源到就是讓平台他在販售的時候他必須更加的謹慎 |
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8461.391 |
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所以跟國人報告因為我還有一個議題所以我覺得這部分我希望行政院因為現在其實各部會我知道都有動起來因為這個事件其實真的蠻嚴重那你可以看到剛剛發生了一個這麼重大的重大的這個醫美的事件立刻這種大型的商場繼續有這樣的偷拍 |
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沒錯 所以在設備的源頭管理我們也是在處理加強的方案要讓所有的民眾他有免於被偷拍的這個恐懼無論是男性女性這種偷拍的行為都是天理不然的另外在你們的報告裡面我們看到你們把這個聯合服務中心那個預算把它編回來但是我在這邊要特別提到 |
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聯合服務中心在去年的時候沒有錯然後在立法院本來是全部刪除後來用追加預算大概給了900多萬可是我要講的聯合服務中心裡面有關於他的人事的酬庸到目前為止沒有任何的改變各區的服務中心執行長也好副執行長也好也好幾乎全部一片綠油油 |
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好 那你一片綠油油沒有改善也就算了我不能說算了啦 我會在預算裡面繼續來給他監督啦好 你看莊敬成是你過去的同事 陳景倫當過鄉長他當鄉長的時候台茶五號這個紅茶的名字就是他當鄉長那一幕的這個莊敬成他沒有當過我的同事啦 因為我可能接來比較晚一點 |
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那所以呢 他後來 他在大罷免期間 因為呢 他說這個他被刪了操作啊 辭掉執行長之後 讓中部的這個聯合服務中心執行長大概懸缺了將近半年之久啊 將近半年之久我有去請教過 我們在去年 到今年 我們的中部的執行中心 聯合服務中心 |
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那個時候除了執行長辦公室因為沒有人之外其他的業務服務照樣然後他現在要去選舉那結果呢你們現在誰來接任他呢是原來的副執行長因為他原來擔任副執行長可能大家比我特別的重視 |
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過去包含黃國昌委員 包含陳晚會委員當時曾經質疑陳景倫 他擔任雜糧發展基金會 他當執行長的時候虛報公堂 |
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他的狀況是怎樣呢比如說他的報帳說他去參訪訪問拜會農糧署只有農糧署沒有他的名單啊沒有訪問名單啊還有包括這些什麼高鐵的票後來證實說這不是出差啊很多是回家的或者他們做補助給這個社會團體來做什麼樣的方案來辦活動 |
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最後交的報告根本是其他的這個活動拿來批圖然後也不管啊年年去做補助所以後來兩個人雙雙都離開包含當時的董事長跟執行長都離開了雜糧基金會所以我要講的就是說如果你們今天不但是用綠油油你剛剛講說陳景倫怎樣怎樣他原來是不是你們民進黨南投線的 |
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黨部主委他原來是民進黨單頭縣議員然後議員之後去當雜糧發展基金會有沒有被人家抓包虛報公堂然後再還回去結案 |
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我要講如果你們今天聯合服務中心繼續是這樣整個執行長也好副執行長也好都是用這樣子你們在都是綠油油都是你們卸任的立委卸任的議員然後整個暫居聯合服務中心 |
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宛如是另外一個黨部我們沒有辦法支持所以我覺得如果今天你們要爭取預算在人事上過去一年我並沒有看到什麼樣的改善我們真的沒有看到改善如果你今天能夠在我們過去大家所執意的部分你們來做改善我們當然在預算裡可以支持 |
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可是如果今天繼續拿聯合服務中心作為你們的酬傭的單位的話那我們的預算是沒有辦法繼續的支持我還是希望委員能夠支持他們在第一線很辛苦比方說金馬辦的副執行長他就是兼職 他是個醫生啊所以不是都是綠油油啦 |
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金馬辦的這個預算我已經看到是最少最少只有幾百萬其他的這種在一千萬以上的全部都是綠油油所以你承認除了金馬以外都是綠油油我沒有承認都是綠油油這些人都有他們的時機有他們的政績好那現在休息五分鐘 |
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我現在會請仲嘉賓委員發言質詢 |
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主席、在場委員、先進、列席的政府經商社長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生有請我們行政院張秘書長好,有請秘書長委員長等一下,那個螢幕還沒接上時間先停一下沒關係啦 |
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那因為有簡報啦 大家比較可以聚焦齁OK 好 那今天要就教行政院就是無人載具產業可以振興我們的中小企業跟傳產那麼政院來主導國防產業跟人民可以三贏好 來昨天民主黨你在現場嘛 昨天的院會我們看到包括本席在內包括陳委員還有這個黃委員都提到這個是不是無人載具後續行政院補這個缺口可以再提一個特別條例 您的看法呢 |
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跟委員報告這個左院長很早就說過包括特別條例這個包括追加預算或者擴大年度預算都是方式之一那我也看到包含國民黨賴世保委員等等橫跨朝野不同政黨的委員都支持就無人載具的部分提出特別條例我們也會就這個部分來做進一步深入的討論 |
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好謝謝事實上無人載具無人機台灣的無人機在去年度不管是外銷或者是這個銷售都有巨幅的成長那在台灣從北到南從東到西大概有超過250家的廠商是無人機產業的供應鏈的一環所以我想這個透過無人機的產業來帶動台灣傳統產業中小微企業的升級發展是有必要的 |
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其實大家突然知道軍用商規的無人載具突然爆紅那我就試著去問AI啦我認為軍用商規的載具無人載具要有什麼要有爆破的殺傷力 |
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然後他要放在一個可移動的平台遠端傳輸導控還有資料處理的能力同時為了應應不對稱作戰的消耗戰跟持久戰他必須要怎樣用成熟普及的科技技術可以大量迅速的生產而且還要價格便宜那擁有這些特質的產品會長得什麼樣子呢AI給我秀出來是這樣 |
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有手榴彈有一個老爺車還有一個PC電腦後面一個人用手機來操控我說這不行啊這看起來太low了這怎麼是軍用商用無人載軍用要美軍的規格就要跑出這個圖出來 |
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其實我要說的就是說其實剛剛秘書長的回應啊突破了一般人對無人軍用商會的無人載具他其實就是這四個特質台灣的自行車產業台灣的PC電腦產業其實啊完全符合無人載具軍用商會的要求我們來看一下來 |
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無人載具呢 它用普及的技術 它能快速生產要高CP值 它有機翼 有引擎 有馬達 有電控 有電子 有晶片你看看台灣 台灣哪一個傳產跟中小企業不具備我們供應鏈完整 就有人口多 而且呢我們的東西啊 物美價廉目前呢 美國 烏克蘭 日本 哇 全國需求暢旺所以就剛好呼應了民主黨所說的 |
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軍用商規的無人載具剛好是台灣目前中小企業跟傳統產業他可以轉型來投入的Mira你說是不是這樣子呢 |
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委員除了軍用商規還有商用商規跟軍民混用我想是可以符合這個產業鏈來發展好那剛剛提到特別條例也是一個可能性但是我們來看一下現在政府的財政怎麼樣昨天總統才宣布大概要照顧0到18歲的新生代那我們一年有人這個我不知道他是怎麼說的這個看起來看不出他是支持哪一邊但是他告訴我們一年要花2000億 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
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請問在這種情況之下如果我們要創建一個無人載具的產業大家要花多少錢我們必須要多少時間的完成那政府哪個部門來負責它是不是重大急迫性是不是我認為它是重大急迫性第一個在國防安全上面有需求第二個在產業發展上面有需求所以我認為它有一定的急迫性那可以花多少錢呢台灣如果錯失這個時間的話確實是一個很可惜的事對時間很緊迫那可以花多少錢政府有多少能力投入 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9412.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我想在舉債上限之外我們都有機會可以投入賴總統昨天也提了也許用一個8年左右的時間投入一個1000億左右規模的預算來支援支持支撐我們的中小微企業我想也許可以 |
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9413.386 |
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9432.386 |
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變同這樣子的計畫來共同使用你說八年一千是支持鍾小微啦那我想那是委員長好往下看來我來看一下過去在馬總統時期啊有這個振興經濟就是發消費券然後呢有擴大內需有莫納克重建那蔡總統時期呢也有前瞻基礎建設也有呢整個疫後的強化經濟特別條例 |
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| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
這些都具有幾個特質非經常的突發性要跨年度編列預算在那個階段時期要排除法規的使用需要跨部會協調中央跟地方政府的合作所以講了錢講了時間那麼誰來主管呢民主黨我們來看一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9468.942 |
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如果以這個過去的特別條例來看 2017年的前瞻基礎建設它是8年8400億 它要振興經濟促進轉型 國發會主導但是呢 偏頁預算 中央各部會 還有各地方政府 通通都有如果馬政府的實行呢 2006呢 它是要治山防洪 解決水患時間8年 也是投入了1160億 而且是經濟部主導 但是呢 |
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各部會都要 還有目的世界主管居然都要編列預算幫民主黨回顧一下 好所以我的結論 往下看來 無人載具來拆解 需要哪些部會在需求端研發我們目前有國防部 有中科院有經濟部 基礎中心 軍商要合作 |
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但是在製造、測試跟銷售階段大概都是在經濟部的全責需要制定產發方針需要統合業界需求所以採購的部分當然國防部是大宗但是各部會都有需要因此能夠刺激產能帶動商機所以按照我這樣的分析民主黨你覺得未來如果這個特別條例假設我是主張五年五千五百億你覺得誰來主責比較恰當 |
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剛剛委員報告這個橫跨的部會可能包括但不限於委員所提的當然這個我也建議委員下次可以用AI無人艇會長什麼樣子那如果講到無人艇的話那可能就可能包括海委會那如果說到 |
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在治安維護需要的話也可能會包括內政部所以無論是國防部又或者是經濟部找一個大家可以接受的部會這個最大的公約數來組織同時能夠帶動我們的中小額企業我想這樣子的方案也希望未來如果有機會提出朝野能夠支持 |
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好 謝謝民主黨主任正面的回應我的主張無人載具可以振興我們的傳產可以創造我們中小企業的商機第二 政府要趕快制定無人載具產業創建特別條例第三 希望趕快行政院去研議需要多少的執行期程有多少的預算可以運用還有主管機關可以嗎 民主黨可以 這個我們正在研議當中好 謝謝民主黨 謝謝 |
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我們下一位請葉元智委員發言咨詢主席好 麻煩請秘書長 請這位秘書長 謝謝 |
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委員長昨天賴總統還有總院長都有提到即將要提一個解決少子化的一個計畫0到18歲的一個月我要更正一下少子女化少子女化一個月五千塊那我當然我覺得這個因為國民黨在前兩天也有提一個類似的內容有稍微不一樣國民黨的版本是0到15歲一個月五千塊然後但是加強對0到6歲的照顧所以會有推育的補助以及 |
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健保費的補助但是方向是一致的啦所以這個東西我覺得大家討論起來應該會蠻順利的因為大家應該都支持那0到18歲的小朋友他除了家庭支持之外其實一個很重要的也需要學校支持嘛 |
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因為他很大一段時間都是也是會帶到學校但是現在教育現場也出現一個很大的狀況所以我也需要行政院因為今天秘書長來了很難得跟秘書長有對話的機會秘書長是同仇各不諱所以能不能也一起來推動解決教育現場的問題 |
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那目前教育現場一個很大的問題就是少師化少師化有多嚴重呢就是不只是很多學校招不到老師代理老師都要招聘好幾次可能才招得到那有一些因為後面招聘進來的老師可能待下要離開所以不斷在進行招老師的動作那有兩個原因一個是有非常多老師剛好退休 |
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第二個是年輕人不願意投入老師的這個行業那根據研究指出啦我再幫你補充第三個原因尤其是目前無論是大專院校又或者是國教系統因為台灣科技業的發達所以前陣子有自然科學或者是我現在就要講啦比較缺乏對啦 |
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那種不用急啦 不用急我現在就要講嘛 尤其是像物理啊 理化啊 資訊科技的老師他特別缺 就是您剛剛講的因為像AI啊 他們的薪水都比較高所以跟待遇也有關係 |
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所以大概有幾個原因第一個待遇就是被你先補充的待遇問題第二個是去年通過的大家在理性的溝通不是你表演的場合不是謝謝你因為我跟你講你剛剛學長去年強化任性運動 |
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許中信委員剛剛在那邊質詢你在討論說卓榮泰院長有沒有違法的問題有沒有違法不附屬然後你就回說那你覺得違法就倒閣然後馬上就看到可能不知道是你的王軍還是你的崇拜者立刻就把這個剪出來 |
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哇 張端好厲害喔 立刻打臉的徐聰信所以我知道有很多網軍都在關注你譬如我們講了一句話 你回了一句話就立刻講說 張端好厲害喔所以你急著插話但我今天其實問的是教育的問題我覺得沒必要這樣 |
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希望說秘書長站在秘書長高度我們針對教育的問題可以統合各部會當然我對於你剛回答許中信委員的答案我也不是很滿意啦因為許中信委員跟你討論是法律問題啦你講倒閣是政治的問題你都是要用政治問題來解決法律問題我覺得是不同的東西但我沒有要跟你吵這個我覺得是把握時間來討論教育第三條應該是法律問題不是政治問題你說那就倒閣啊 |
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倒閣是政治問題 法律問題是法律解決沒有沒有 你講說你如何如何就倒閣 不是倒閣是政治問題法律問題要法律解決那我現在跟你講的是說希望說你可以整合各部會整合各部會來一起來解決一些問題我直接提建議啦那如果NU長你可以的話呢你就回去召開跨部會的會議然後大家一起來討論第一個 |
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就是剛剛您講的補充的待遇那教育部他現在是確實是有幫有終點費有提高然後提高20%那是因為幾十年都沒有漲了嘛第二個導師費跟行政加急有提高但其實我是覺得不夠你說像你剛剛講跟業界比還是都差蠻多的那所以我曾經跟教育部有提出一個東西就是國小、國中、高中的老師他可以減終點兩小時那減終點兩小時 |
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一方面當然他如果壓力很大的話他就可以不用再去增加課程第二個如果還有幫學校多帶課的話他等於有多加班費用這種方式變相提高他的待遇那其實我有跟蠻多老師談過他們其實還蠻支持這個方案那需要多少錢呢初估大概是需要30億到50億左右那這個比當然我現在現在因為政府現在蠻願意花錢在比如說解決一些重大社會問題像您剛剛講的少子女化我們現在一年就要編大概2000多億嘛 |
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那如果一年大概可以多個30到50億針對老師的這個部分那我覺得會讓老師感覺到比較受到尊重一定是有一定的幫助那第二個 |
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就是有關於像校園安全秘書長可能我們年代也差不多以前大家都是三個在學校如果三個大過就要退學所以校規對小朋友是其實有約束力但現在是你計十個大過二十個大過都無所謂所以計大過變成勳章 |
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那你在學校裡面有的時候老師又怕被爛訴然後老師碰到那些流氓學生也不太敢管因為老師也是正常家庭的人所以我也有提出一個法案那個法案是希望可以針對那種平常都會帶刀上課對其他師生會有生命威脅的人我覺得應該要經過一個特殊的機制強制他轉學到一個政府另外設立一個專屬他們的學校 |
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否則的話你應該知道國三生割喉案那個學生就是從別的地方來然後就割喉了然後再來就是我們也常在網路上看到有學生履棒敲人家頭就是對人家的生命安全有傷害這種學生你讓他留在原來的學校實際上對原來學校的師生會帶來很大的壓力而且生命的威脅所以應該另外設立一個專屬學校我們加強輔導資源讓他們過去其實對他們也好 |
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然後讓原來的施政也可以不要喘息那這個法案我之前開過公聽會請你留意一下它應該不是教育部一個單位可以來解決可能要召集比如說法務部、內政部各單位衛福部我們一起來推動所以 還有一個 |
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就是剛剛有提到一個現在學校老師是因為有些老師退休嘛他們退休之後其實滿願意再回到學校待課但待課的話因為中點費的問題他有一個就業的薪資的上限嘛不能超過基本薪資所以一下就超過他想要多兼課沒辦法 |
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所以能不能針對就是退休的軍公教他們再就業薪資的上限我覺得可以做個調整至少打開他天花板因為這個已經不合實力了年改都已經過了嘛然後他也是憑自己的勞力在付出在賺錢所以沒有必要做這個限制那以上幾個 |
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建議啦這是針對教育現場希望說民主黨各位多協調各部會我們一起來一起來努力我跟委員簡單回覆齁我很多的親戚也是老師也是在基層的教育現場齁這個您所提到的問題確實 |
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我想我們都應該要很正面的去面對那感謝立法院齁在能夠同意省今年度的總預算的時候也有一個決議協商也有一個決議說要在半年之內提出對於軍公教相關待遇的改善的方案大家來協商那我想委員的建議我們會行政團隊內部會來一起來考量好謝謝我希望得到秘書長主動積極的聯繫啦然後可以告訴我說大概你今天我們對話完之後你回去之後著急然後往哪個方向推動希望可以 |
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不管是書面的資料也好,或各方面的資料,可以有一個回覆如果有一個進度,我再跟委員報告跟聯絡好,謝謝好,下一位請楊瓊英委員發言質詢謝謝主席,楊瓊英發言,邀請秘書長 |
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行政院我們在立法院日前通過的保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計畫採購特別條例當中行政院推動的無人機的相關預算跟產業佈局大家都非常非常的關注所以因此在經濟部的所屬之下也規劃了6年442億的無人機發展計畫 |
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包括他的研發他的資源以及相關的量能但是到目前為止是集中在這個嘉義那民進黨在我跟經濟部長跟行政院長一直在討論中部地區 |
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是所有的產業鏈結最密切的而且也是最完整的包括我們的工具機我們的AI我們的晶片等等的量能都是變變的我們不用再蓋廠 |
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我們的設備都是便便的所以我個人本身一再要求包括行政院長他也認可說中部地區來作為無人機的一個重要研發國家級的一個基地 |
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他認為這是許可是可行是適當的那我也問了經濟部長他也認為這樣子的一個產業鏈在大渡山科技走廊他是非常的完整的所以我首先要建議在行政院方面也就是將台中 |
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略為是我們無人機的一個重要研發國家級的無人機的一個基地請教秘書長謝謝委員 委員是很資深而且對產業非常了解的這個委員謝謝 一起加油這個我過去委員也常看到我會陪同總統到地方去看產業台中確實是台灣精密機械最重要的重鎮 |
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那行政院也有六大生活圈的地方把中台灣的地區不只是台中中張頭地區作為經濟發展的核心那相關無人機產業的發展這個在行政院是由鄭麗君副院長統籌那我也跟副院長討論過確實嘉義創新研發台中它有它的這個技術跟它的產業鏈產業聚落本來就已經存在了台中確實是非常有潛力成為另外一個 |
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無人機產業發展的核心那這個議題這個意見除了楊委員您提過之外何欣淳委員也提過我們一起來共同支持 |
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好 所以你是贊同的非常贊同感謝那我們有一個定調也就是嘉義研發中心我們都非常支持台中這一個重要的關鍵地點是國家級的無人機的一個產業聚落完整的一個研發 |
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產出一連繫的一個基地在行政院我們是全力的支持不過也拜託委員支持這個中台灣產業鏈其實是大家一連串的這個坦白說彰化也在爭取當然我們都一起來支持當然也是中台灣那台中因為有大渡山的科技走廊它是最完整的我想到目前為止我們在中部地區各縣市大家都是合力 |
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團結作戰的 這個是行政院你可以寬心但是必須要列為政府的一個國家級的一個基地我今天感謝聽到這樣子的一個論述是同意的 我們一起推動接下來我要跟你討論的是那現在在各部會經濟部 無人機有在買 |
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維護部相關單位也有在買農業部救災他也在買所以各部會都有在買近五年來無人機的需求已經在我們政府的系統裡頭他是必須的所以本期我個人非常的希望我們除了買之外我們更要產業要落地 |
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這是我想這是政府部門在推動的因為我們具備這樣子的一個條件所以我有一個具體的建議也就是各部份各自為政的在買但是行政院是否應當要統籌哪一個單位或者是哪一個系統來作為主責單位 |
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因為我們不只是買我們還要推動無人機的相關產業要來落地來發展發展到全世界去賺更多人全世界人的錢而且更多知道台灣的優勢台灣的這個產品是第一名的 |
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跟委員報告這個各部會確實都有在買那我們也希望製造能夠落地剛剛跟委員報告過目前在行政院是由副院長在統籌這個事情那我想這個近期我也看到非常多這個立法委員不分朝野政黨都在支持無人展具的產業那未來如果行政院無論是提特別條例追加預算或者是擴大年度預算也好也希望朝野政黨不同的委員先進們能夠支持 |
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大家都在推動大家都在支持但是政府有這個責任本席具體建議的也就是不要各自為政化整為零這樣子我們的量能效能不會高所以希望要統合 |
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一個主歧視者的專責單位這樣子我們才能夠事半功倍贊同這樣的論述嗎贊同行政也必須要這樣落地也就是我希望的就是我們的無人機的產業能夠真正的落地這是一個另外本席跟你討論 |
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在115年度裡頭新聞傳播業務的你的編列是1411億那是當然媒體宣以及風險的溝通我特別要點出一個113年新興毒品致死案是達到77件 |
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那這個是顯性的數字隱性的數字我相信還有我們真不忍心看到這樣的一個數字那但是這又是三年最高在這樣的一個情況之下他有年輕化使用的族群有年輕化甚至進入校園進入這個社區那對於我們青少年已經嚴重的這個威脅所以也包括了成少共犯的比例110年是32.2% |
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但是到了113年36.9%39.6%換句話說它是增加的那在這樣子的一個房賭宣傳跟制度整合它是有落差的而且越見年輕化 |
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所以個人要建議你們是不是要建立一個在行政院層級跨部會的一個整合機制將宣導預防查緝一體化的推動要不然到目前為止有在推動數字告訴我們的是讓我們憂心的 |
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請做說明各位委員報告行政院會有定期的治安匯報跟毒品防治匯報那確實近期都包括交通大安匯報都在討論從酒駕到毒駕包括最近的毒駕我說今年交通部我要求交通部要把毒駕列為比照官 |
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這個無論是現在的依託名詞 我想我們都會有行政院來整合我們來加強出來 行政院來整合你講的這一句話就對了跟委員報告 我們在內政委員會如果去問警政署 他們現在對於所謂獨駕的偵測他們現在有快篩的方式來出來請注意聽本席的提問 |
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本是告訴你你們現在所有的保守所有的方法是讓我們的數字是惡化的 |
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所以我具體建議你們去把這個數字惡化我們要怎麼樣有其他的因應方法除了整合橫向的機關以外我們的方法要怎麼做你現在回答本席的我們怎麼做我們怎麼做我們怎麼做我告訴你的是我看到的數字是惡化而且年輕化很難過啊 |
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所以方法要怎麼做請你去研討書面資料給本席沒問題獨家的部分獨家的部分我們當然獨家的部分我們的立場跟委員一樣我們當然是加重刑罰這個沒有問題但在檢測的部分警方單位已經有快篩的方法校園宣導跟校園方式我們也會請教育部加強要處理好 |
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請把整合方案告訴本席好 沒問題 我可以用輸入的方式回答問題我現在怎麼做 現在就是沒通了我才會提出這個嚴肅的議題最後一個議題請教在你115年消保跟食安業務裡頭你列180萬但是有一個機制也就是說102年你盤點你在102年的時候行政院就盤點有57項是具食安風險的疑慮的這個化學物質 |
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那現在本體還是具體要求你必須要去整合現在在衛福部 在農業部 在環境部 在經濟部散落各部所以現在甚至有發現20項業者誤用在食品的化學物質沒有有效的納管所以甚至包括水陽酸 膨沙 甲醇都還在你們這個控管的空窗 |
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那等於是只有行政查詞或者是暫時性的措施所以我具體的建議你要從源頭來列管法治的一個整合一個政府從102年歸管的57項到現在還有20項還被拿出來當成是化學的這樣在食品的這個安全上面再處用 誤用 |
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這不對的啊所以我具體要求行政院你應該是在我們整個這五十七項既然已經列定為食安風險疑慮化學物質你還沒有完成一個統一列管你們應該去趕快去跨部會的去整合怎麼樣的統一列管來補強這個缺口保障人民的安全 |
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跟委員的做法是一樣的 那進度我們會在書面提供給委員好 多久時間可以給我一個禮拜好不好好 一定要趕快跨部會去整合 你聽了你都難過 對不對不行如此的 讓人民連死都不安全我們的心情都是一樣的 死亡是最重要的心情一樣 動作要盡快 一個禮拜之內一個禮拜跟委員代班 謝謝 |
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我們下一位請洪孟愷委員發言直言好主席謝謝麻煩請張秘書長委員長張秘書長請教美國總統川普講說台灣偷走台積電台灣偷走晶片台灣偷走半導體技術我們政府能夠認同嗎 |
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我想台積電的晶片跟技術大家都知道當初是美國RCA寄轉來的但是這30年來是透過台積電所有的員工努力之下把製程改良成為世界第一我想台灣的晶片是可以貢獻全世界 |
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院長 問A答A好不好我們有沒有偷台灣沒有偷走世界上的晶片台灣是提供給世界上的晶片那有沒有看到曹新城這位被我們賴政府奉為上賓上司去年大惡霸的時候在那邊這個獻祭獻測曹新城的臉書有沒有看到 |
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我沒有注意到沒有好他講啊新聞都已經報導了川普控台灣偷晶片曹新城開火政府嚴正失職啊他特別點名行政院應該要召開國際記者會以證國際視聽很難得我跟曹先生董事長在一個議題上面是一致的因為我也認為從過去到現在我也講如果說行政院秘書長也講了台灣沒有偷美國政府川普講了好幾次 |
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那我們的政府在幹嘛我們政府在幹嘛是怎樣 看到美國政府的矮半截因為川普 所以我們都不敢講那曹新整現在講了行政院應該召開國際記者會議正式聽 你怎麼看 |
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我想台灣是良善的力量台灣也跟美國在合作AI這個高科技的經驗所以川普的這個話也不敢碰到川普就喊斷解這證實國人的講法嘛所以曹新城現在講是說行政院不敢開國籍記者會是實質私人你看你又故意在那邊拉A扯B只有這一套要說什麼曹新城講的實質私人是是不是事實 |
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不是事實啊好 你跟曹先生講啊但重點在於是本席過去到現在都講一樣的態度但是就只有行政院的態度反覆啊你看敢對在野黨大小聲敢對中國大陸大小聲但是對於美國一句話不敢放我剛剛有講台灣並不是偷走全球的晶片台灣是凍結全球晶片沒關係 大家看到了來 再來Miu長行政院喔 |
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律書長的角色非常的重要因為他是一個幕僚角色他是綜合行政院的幕僚單位但你知道行政院院長已經違法超過一百天了嗎有人是不是要講NCC或是什麼的案子你知道行政院院長已經違法超過一百天了嗎您是不是要提NCC提名的案子 |
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NCC委員行政院院長應該依法要三個月內要補提名以及在7月31號到期之前前三個月要提名所以最晚期4月31號要提名到目前為止有送進來嗎目前還在遵循遵循當中是 所以已經違法了嘛 |
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跟委員報告喔上一次行政院提名全部都被封殺了中間還有一個立法院沒有一定要背書的義務請容許立法院確實沒有背書的義務就是這個有監督的職權嘛但是 |
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行政院代表叫他們怎麼人選我們在思考 有在徵詢 合適的人嘛所以說現在 代表張綠不是沒有做好我們的人選的結果嗎有溝通過嗎 |
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比如講,ACC是獨立的機關,所以從以前到現在,你看,現在違法的人好好意思這樣大小聲,我覺得這個是很大的悲哀。中學會主委沒有通過嗎?所以我們不講是說,只要提出好的人選,我們不會不通過。他說陳明修教授不好能選就對了,是不是? |
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你說陳明修教授不是好人選問A又答B所以來 我想請教一下民運院長 我想請教一下NCC的名單4月3號以前就已經到期了那過去我們整理了幾次你一直在講說還在徵詢嘛整理了幾次名單給行政院院長目前在徵詢當中確實不容易整理幾次名單 |
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這個我不能夠具體回答你其實真的很多人選但人家也不一定願意嘛所以沒辦法也沒有辦法回答所以說其實就是行政院從上到下明明法條在那邊那麼白紙黑字寫得清楚如果說你不懂法條回去看一下NCC組織法第四條行政院院長應要提出名單應要提出名單欸 張偉 |
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這個秘書長來齁還反質詢啦然後問A答B啊我覺得所有的官員可以看到我們現在都很行政院我其實相對是尊重啊因為每一位其實文官能夠爬到行政院這個位置都很難得我剛剛特別看了一下我們的這個有處長有主委有這個相關人士啊但 |
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本席很由衷的講一句話中華民國的文官體制在過去這十年尤其這兩年被民進黨政府操弄的真的是我為我們的文官體制叫去如果說我們的法規白紙黑字寫得清清楚楚行政院院長的職權就是在三個月前要應提出名單給立法院審查不管什麼理由沒有提出就是違法 |
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結果我們現在所有的這些處長、主委坐在台下看著一個領導你們的人在台上這樣子瞎扯胡扯然後完全臉皮可能比銅牆鐵壁還要厚我覺得這對我們的文官體制感到不捨 |
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拜託我們的官員們可以讓我們一點點大家心平氣和就是心平氣和所以說我現在沒有問問題這秘書長還要搶回答我們就是心平氣和所以我才會講是說所有的官員大家看一下過去這兩年被民進黨政府消磨殆盡侮辱斯文大家高考及格的這樣的一個過去的經驗 |
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完全沒有辦法用上這個就是我們現在民進黨政府執政之下中華民國的悲哀來最後我只想請教一下民進黨 |
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昨天總統有提出來因為520嘛他有提出來一個政策就是0到18歲每人每個月5000的成長津貼那想請教之前有沒有跟我們行政部門相關單位來討論過行政部門有跟總統報告過相關的方案什麼時候蠻多次的蠻多次的如果說蠻多次的那就再照理講這就是一個政策溝通的研擬過程 |
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那我很遺憾跟訝異的是在國民黨團也有提出類似主張當然年齡有所不同國民黨團這邊提出0到15歲每人每月五千結果總統昨天提出0到18歲每人每月五千多三年但是政策上是高度重疊財源的部分運用的這個預算的規模 |
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賴清德總統提出來更多可是過去不管是我們的衛福部不管是我們的相關部會講說這會普惠市的大撒幣排擠現有社福資源表達對政策憂心人人有講的普惠市政策吹罰通盤的財政規劃立法不能只談理想不談代價嚴重影響排擠其他的社會福利弱勢照顧跟醫療發展既有的預算那我想請教啊現在是怎樣政府的 |
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錯字是不是還是邏輯錯誤在野黨講的0到15歲就說會普發式會排擠現有的社福然後結果總統講一個0到18歲還多3歲多3年預算再多了可能幾百億結果就是是我們行政部門跟總統溝通過很多次 |
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阿是怎樣你可能講錯了好警察壞警察黑白臉所以現在在野黨提出的任何政策就是錯的然後行政部門提出的即便是行政部門提的政策可能預算用的還比在野黨提的真的多 |
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委員0到15歲如果我沒有記錯的話應該是貴黨黨團這個禮拜或是前幾天提出的之前都有提過但是衛福部是就0到12歲這個所以本來是成長津貼或是存起來來處理都有其實等一下昨天賴清德政府講的沒有成長津貼嗎 |
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我們講的是六到十八歲沒有存入嗎有存入六到十八歲啊那就對啦所以你的範圍更大 範圍更廣預算用更多但是結果沒想到行政部門對待同樣的政策立法方向一致的立法精神可以討論我現在都還沒有進入到立法精神喔如果說要討論這個政策的話都還可以討論喔因為這很長篇幅可以討論包括說怎麼樣實施怎麼樣來做一個實際的執行但我現在只想講一個最基本的問題 |
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如果依照秘書長剛剛的講法行政部門跟賴清德總統溝通過很多次他了解的話就不會出現這種會錯字混淆的狀況所以你真的很難說服國人相信現在民進黨這麼主政之下不是政治掛帥而是是政治掛帥而不是真的想要照顧國人啊當然是真的想要照顧國人啊不然你反對我們的方案嗎你支持還是反對秘書長 |
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本席從過去到現在我們是第一個提出來的人感謝行政院拿槍更敗我們在野黨提出的方案就事論事之後我們會再好好討論零到六歲國家安全養殖民進黨執行的零到十八歲是延長擴大這個方案請不要本末倒置 謝謝從來沒有本末倒置民主黨不用在這邊混淆視聽 謝謝 |
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下一位請林倩琪委員發言質詢林倩琪不在下一位鄭振前委員不在下一位李博義召委發言 謝謝謝謝 請秘書長辛苦了請秘書長辛苦了非常尊重委員會 謝謝 |
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直接進入正題啦,行政跟立法誰該編列預算?這個按照憲法的精神跟規定是行政院所以剛剛國民黨的委員說,他們提出來的預算規模比行政院的預算規模還要小,這是什麼回事?誰是本末倒置? |
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過去一年多都是兩年多都是這個樣子所以辛苦的行政院好那我們直接進來這個0到18歲其實賴總統在從蔡英文總統0到6歲國家養到賴總統在競選的時候提出這個私立大學學費減半 |
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到這一次的0到18歲,我們要提出的這個,昨天提出的這個每個人發放5000元,包含6到18歲會有一個2500元的未來帳戶,這一個政策在這邊表示高度的認同 |
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那其實這個就是從整個民進黨執政從0到6歲到私立大學到6到18歲怎麼樣可以讓國人怎麼樣可以讓學童有更好的未來我們在這邊先表示支持那為什麼行政院敢提出來這一個政策?它會耗費到多少警匪秘書長? |
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成為昨天總統所講的大概會增加兩千億左右好,兩千億,其實我是看好台灣,台灣沒有壞消息台灣的壞消息只有來自立法院那這兩千億怎麼來,從去年底的台灣的經濟成長率我們看到嚇一跳,八點多 |
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今年第一季經濟成長率13點多嚇死人台灣面臨黃金的兩年到五年的期間所以真的政府可以好好的來規劃一下 |
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我們的青年或青少年或兒童的未來那所以秘書長你在5月9號來到高雄其實我非常感謝在去年財化法之後其實呢在左院長還沒上台之前在陳建仁院長的時候我就去跟他爭取了一筆9億的這個 |
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國家重點領域校際研究園區的經費之後呢那其實四年匡列了一百三十幾億行政院因為財化法的關係沒有辦法繼續支持高雄那民主黨我請問你現在這個進度是不是已經嵌合下來了 |
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跟委員報告5月9號我去了一趟高雄那跟委員一起去包括委員這個還有市長一起去看了清大陽明交大跟清大在高雄的分校跟教研園區 |
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去一次就知道為什麼委員這麼積極爭取跟拚命爭取132億的計畫行政院已經核定補助100億已經核定了 確定核定了確定核定感謝 非常感謝行政院高雄從過去陳其邁還沒回來當市長之前他那個中油的煉油廠區他本來在韓國瑜市長的時候韓國瑜前市長的時候他本來要變賽馬廠 |
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陳其邁市長回來之後呢他擔任過行政院副院長然後他知道怎麼把中油這個場區怎麼加速土壤整治竟然把台積電移到這個場區來台積電移來之後呢高雄這些產業供應鏈最需要什麼最需要人才那所以高雄的舊左營國中 |
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跟高雄的聯彈會館過去一個大學退場之後把陽明教大找來先在聯彈會館這邊再把清華大學找來在舊左營國中這邊在清華大學的 |
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接牌的那一刻,其實我看到場下非常非常多這些半導體供應鏈的雇主們都來到現場他們不是只有來支持清華,他們不是只有來支持陽明交大,他們也不是只有來支持行政院這個方案其實他們來找人才 |
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所以民進黨政府從0到18歲到市立大學到我現在在爭取左營的這個校際研究園區清華大學跟陽明教大讓所有不是念理工科的人他未來大學畢業之後有機會修得這些半導體的學分之後有機會進到TSMC或他相關的產業鏈 |
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供應鏈這個是現在高雄最急需的那所以在這邊感謝行政院剛剛秘書長有提出已經核准100億的清華大學跟陽明交大的這個消極研究園區的經費之外我在這邊也要跟秘書長這邊再加強一下其實高雄這次財化法之後高雄損失慘重我舉一個例子給你聽 |
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我非常關心學童的營養午餐,在0到18歲要國家養,國家要支持0到18歲之後,台北市多了400多億,他提出來兒童營養午餐免費,佔他400多億的不到5% |
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多的錢啊不知道做什麼來支持營養午餐變成全國的縣市都必須要用縣市的經費來支持營養午餐好那接下來中央原本農業部有一些張Q的補助就沒了 |
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高雄要多付張Q4.5億之外呢高雄要付營養午餐18億佔高雄這個財化法之後所得中央統籌分配稅款的7%非常非常的慘重啊那我再講一個台北市它平均每餐是70到85塊高雄只有45到57塊那 |
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我要跟秘書長討論的是,這個經費其實如果在才化法沒有這樣子分之前,其實也可以納到0到18歲,讓全國的營養午餐可以均等,其實現在是不均等的。我是非常憂心,秘書長你怎麼看? |
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確實目前所施行的財化法有諸多的問題比方說市權分配不均勻比方說城鄉差距在擴大所以我剛剛在一開始的專案報告上面我就有提到我也希望朝野政黨能夠來趕快的審議財政議法也就是行政院版的財政收支劃分法我也曾經對外講過 |
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這個行政院版的裁劃法,其實對直轄市也好,非直轄市也好,都是非常公平的為什麼?因為直轄市平均會增加15%的預算,非直轄市可能會增加25%到27%的預算可惜啦,我們在這裡就看不到行政院的裁劃法,都被在野黨很粗暴的否認掉那我在這邊還是要講一下,高雄的捷運直線、高雄捷運黃線、高雄的小港林園延伸線高雄的岡山路竹延伸線,都有可能因為這個裁劃法 |
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時間會慢可能會慢5到10年這個我必須講非常遺憾另外禮拜一在這裡審查內政部的預算的時候我發現國土署對於這個下水道工程的預算也都交給地方政府了高雄市損失超過30億的預算所以種種種種對於這個財化法希望行政院可以堅持跟這個我們的 |
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國防條例一樣,再提出新的版本,我們再來審慎的來研議,如果不支持行政院財化法的人,其實就是相對不支持高雄地方建設預算,謝謝好,謝謝委員好,我們下一位請徐欣盈委員發言質詢 |
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謝謝昭偉本席有請張秘書長張秘書長張秘書長好當然首先我們對於昨天賴清德總統因為少子化送出的大禮包讓我們0到18歲的孩子特別是他們的父母可以 |
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减少这种负担那也借此来鼓励台湾的声誉本席觉得看到行政院看到赖总统这个中央执政回应了这个少子化有了一些措施当然我们这个是感到高兴的因为本席在这一届第11届呢多次的院会这个不断的建议行政院长特别是卓院长 |
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我們要這個少子化的情況我們要改善我們一定要讓年輕的家長年輕的夫妻願意生孩子所以那時候本席也不斷的建議了各種方案就是我們政府一定要再投注更多更多的怎麼樣讓年輕的父母可以減輕孩子 |
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生育養育的這個負擔這個非常重要所以我們既然看到了這個有這個每個月五千塊我相信對很多想生育或者是已經有孩子的家長對他們來說真的是有紓解但是本席今天要特別跟張秘書長來這邊討論的就是 |
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孩子每個月五千塊加上現有的一些福利措施呢確實特別是這每個月五千塊可以讓他們在生活上比較無虞但是孩子他接著要面對的是他的教育還有他生活跟學習的環境那這個就影響到整個的托嬰托育幼兒園的系統 |
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包含年輕的父母 特別是孩子在可能比較年幼的時候特別容易生病他們這個各地 兒科是不是也足夠還有國中國小 他的校舍增班 他的班級還有這個軟體 |
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所以本席要特別講的就是說教育的預算我們接下來就是說每個人都有每一個孩子0到18歲都有5000塊但是接下來他要面對的整個教育的環境我們中央執政教育的預算絕對不能只是平均分配我們要讓整個的校舍教育資源軟硬體整個是要跟著孩子走 |
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秘書長什麼叫跟著孩子走您了解嗎應該是孩子在不同的生長階段有不同的需求我們都應該要面面俱到我以為應該是這個意思不是我是針對我們每個整個台灣它有一些地方是特別逆少子化 |
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也就是說你教育資源你不能平均下去每個縣市委員連在的新竹縣就是比較逆少子化的我不是只為新竹縣而是全台灣有幾個我知道台中可能科學園區台南科學園區慢慢都會有這個全國逆少子化的區塊 |
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他這些孩子因為你既然你我們重視嘛孩子就少了所以我們要給他最好的環境跟教育當然我們昭緯的新北市我相信在某些區塊他也是逆少子化的所以在這種逆少子化的情況下大部分的學校並校並班自己的減班並校但是逆少子化的區塊他是 |
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班級數不夠甚至學校也不夠那還有他的一些軟硬體設施包括師資人力硬體設施都不夠所以我今天特別針對我們行政院我要強調的就是說整個的施政教育預算我們一定要跟著孩子走那本席在這裡也讓祕書長知道 |
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大家檢班並校可是整個逆少子化的區塊他學校不足班級數不足孩子竟然逆少子化或者是現在全台灣少子化的階段在逆少子化的區域孩子還必須向這個 |
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沙丁魚罐一樣壓壓壓一個學校還要就是在某些區塊學校還不足他還必須非常擁擠的在這個求學所以這個部分本席要特別提出我們希望行政院呢能夠提出學齡人口快速成長的補助公式我們要請行政院也要要求整個教育部你教育資源的這個補助你要去看 |
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你要跟著孩子走我一直強調要跟著孩子走那本席再舉一個例子我們除了學校不夠之外已經有的學校秘書長你想想看一個操場同樣小學的操場都這麼大 |
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那他只有500人跟有1500人你看那個孩子的使用率所以他的那個草皮1500人的話他可能你一般如果教育部這個提供現在就是說給他操場汰換的這個年限那你看一個學校只有500人的孩子跟1500人的孩子他那個操場的這個損壞率就不一樣 |
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那本席剛好最近我去會看一個全竹北市最多人的小學一千五百就是一千六百多人的小學它的操場已經整個草皮都光禿禿甚至它的足球場都已經小孩子很多都受傷了結果教育部的補助仍然申請不到 |
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像這個我覺得就是我們政府對不起我們這些這些孩子甚至孩子的家長所以今天我在這裡質詢我要特別特別提出來跟著孩子走我們肯定昨天賴總統的這個大禮包但是對於我們 |
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逆少子化區塊我覺得全台灣你們可以去盤點一定有一些那應該要給我們已經不多的我們未來國家的主人翁請你給他好的軟硬體那當然這軟硬體就包含了包含師資也包含我們的所有的教學設備所以這個部分 |
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學齡人口快速成長補助公司以及盤點我們教育部對於全國你在補助上你有沒有跟著孩子走我可不可以請我們行政院在一個月內提供可以嗎跟委員報告齁這個詳細的資料在會後提供但是委員所關心的 |
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這個資源跟著孩子走這個是這個必然的我也認同那要落實 現在要落實也跟委員簡單補充新竹縣府提出的五個學校的計畫除了委員簡報提到的虎口高中明年完工之外那竹北的實驗學校這個今年的學年度也開始招生那後續的計畫我想我們都會督促教育部這個如期如質的推動對 您說的這個只是社校 |
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學校建立之後 整個軟硬體的資源我們希望我們中央真的資源要跟著孩子走那最後我想用一點時間就是針對我們中央不好意思我快看一下 |
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我們看到115年度就今年我們中央政府總預算案已經把公共建設科技發展列為增加的重點那整個公共建設計畫增加了374億科技發展的計畫增加了269億那既然中央有公共建設和科技預算 |
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那本席想請教整個台灣的科技在台灣有幾個重鎮嗎我相信新竹也是其中一個您不否認吧我想新竹縣市都是重中之重對對對新竹新竹縣市對那所以是不是可以把新竹的科技廊帶交通納入國家級的投資 |
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而不是讓地方來獨自承擔所以我們希望特別強調的就是為國家科技的競爭力來補基礎建設因為整個新竹縣市每天承擔台灣科技產業運轉的壓力希望中央能夠協助承擔起相對應的交通治理責任因為時間的關係 本席最後說 |
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新竹的通勤韌性就是台灣科技的韌性所以我們希望中央要非常的重視所以是不是我們也可以 |
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來提出一個科技狼帶通勤韌性預算希望在未來可以針對科技狼帶我這個科技狼帶我沒有加上縣市是因為我知道我們整個國家有幾個科技的重點發展當然新竹是其中一個所以科技狼帶的通勤韌性預算這個絕對是未來我們政府會面對的 |
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所以我今天也在這個我們這個內政委員會我特別提出來請問秘書長可以嗎我兩點跟委員補充第一個我過去在桃園市政府服務的時候我是桃竹竹苗區域治理平台主要的幕僚在我的任內12年前就推動五陽高延伸到苗栗的方案現在交通部也在進行當中第二關於委員提到的科技狼帶的交通韌性桃竹苗大細股計畫在蔡總統任內開始推動我也是主要的幕僚 |
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那裡面也包含交通的建設至於哪些交通建設可以更多或融入我想我們願意跟地方一起來參與一起來討論那您剛剛講的都是整個這樣看下去整個大致的那我現在當然您既然講了桃竹竹苗大細股計畫我非常認同那新竹縣市的這個通勤您隨便抓一個隨便抓幾個這個每天在新竹 |
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縣市這通勤的園區的不管中高階或基層的人員大概您就會了解這個已經是十幾二十年沒有看過非常多是我非常清楚好那太好了所以我們希望竹科塞住的話堵住的不只是車流而是台灣的科技產能 |
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所以我們最後我們還是要請祕書長來重視我們整個中央執政您可以轉達給行政院長跟我們的總統新竹的通勤韌性就是台灣科技的韌性我們這個希望這個中央在交通這個基礎建設的部分能夠加速加快以及給足資源沒問題我們中央地方一起努力好謝謝謝謝祕書長 |
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登記諮詢委員 抱歉登記諮詢委員除不在場者外其餘均已發 均已諮詢完畢 詢問結束委員丁雪忠 高金素美 吳啟明 徐欣盈所提書面諮詢列入記錄 刊登公報書面諮詢和位及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會本日議程所列預算案 相關提案請於 |
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115年5月29日星期五中午12點前送至內政委員會預時不報本次議程處理完畢現在散會 |