| IVOD_ID |
17456 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17456 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T08:30:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T13:52:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:21:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbd1a6f5ee3635aa4f819ba3698dbd896e601341028818003d3bb97ce1dafd8ce75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、農業部部長、行政院災害防救辦公室首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、內政部首長率國土管理署首長、交通部首長、原住民族委員會首長、財政部國有財產署首長、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會首長及衛生福利部首長就「全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備情形及花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後復原重建工作」執行進度及預算運用進行報告，並備質詢。
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:59 - 13:52:00 |
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好那現在開會那我們進行報告事項請宣讀 |
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報事項邀請經濟部部長率台灣台股份衛生公司董事長管理部部長行政院災害防救辦公室首長行政院公共工程委員會首長內政部首長率國土管理署首長交通部首長原住民主委員會首長財政部國有財政署首長國軍特屬官兵輔導委員會首長及衛生服務部首長就全台各縣市迅起防洪防災工程準備進行及花蓮馬太安溪眼色湖災後復原重新工作進行進度及 |
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執行進度及運用進行報告並配執行宣傳筆 |
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稍微介紹今天出席的我首先先感謝農業部部長陳部長代表我們對災後的重建還有全台迅起的重視接下來的話農業部水利署署長蔡生農業部林業自然保理署署長林華慶 |
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農村發展水土保存署署長陳敬遠在農糧署副署長陳啟隆在漁業署副署長穆智昌農業金融署署秘理一新好那經濟部的話呢因為部長他是真的有前一個禮拜跟我請假那他就是把他禮拜一跟禮拜四的行程對調所以他禮拜一是陪同這個我們經委會去做考察 |
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所以我覺得這個要請政務次長何進昌再來經濟部水利署署長林元鵬再來台堂董事長吳明昌那接下來的話行政院災害防救辦公室副主任周勛遠好再來行政院公共工程委副主委李一德 |
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因為主委去考察南部國際機場不是很好沒關係 因為已經排定了再來內政部的話是請常務次長吳唐安代表內政部也是我們災害防治很重要的中心以後也是能夠A個部會也是多多支持跟關注再來消防署專委陳建南再來內政部國土署署長蔡長產 |
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交通部常務次長林國賢在原民委員會副主委這個我們考察的時候也是有去看過的接下來的話是財政部國務常務署主秘陳志華在國軍退出官兵輔導委員會事業管理處處長邵明衛生服務部社會救助社工司司長蘇焦儒 |
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1943.059 |
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本日議程排定全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備情形跟花蓮馬太安西苑社府災後復原重建工作執行進度跟預算的運用來進行報告並被質詢 |
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那我先稍微說明一下因為在前幾次我們經委會我有安排到花蓮馬太安西的一個考察那我也要求我們本黨團就是全程去做這個錄影錄音的一個採訪跟大家做記錄 |
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1991.608 |
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這個表示說我們在這個災後的對馬太安溪的一個重建我們是非常關心原因是我本人也是這個高雄氣爆的受災戶之一親委所以我對災民的體驗 |
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1993.07 |
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2008.306 |
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非常的深刻所以我覺得政府不能夠忘記遺忘這一群人那我們也給了特別的這一個條例的300億的一個預算那我們當時希望是從優從速在我們立法院的一個院會的決議裡面 |
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2009.907 |
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所以我們想要定期的去追蹤看完這樣的情況那當然執行的話我都感念第一線的這些的我們政府部會的人員但是我們仍然必須苦民所苦 |
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2025.832 |
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苦民所苦就傾聽災民的一個心聲已經過了8個多月8個月左右了所以我希望各位甚至是在場的媒體記者也真是要去關心不要每一次的災後的復建復原的進度都不如預期然後每年的這樣子的災害不管風災地震水災這也包含全省像台南對不對那如果是颱風這樣子都是嘉義等等 |
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所以我們希望這個各個部會的單位首長能夠重視這樣的一件事情那接下來的話呢今天的報告的順序我稍微首先的話我先請這個農業部部長這個陳部長報告五分鐘那下一個我們請經濟部政務次長何敬昌報告也是五分鐘 |
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2089.357 |
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主席 各位委員 各位在座的同仁 大家早安 |
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那今天奉邀來報告有關於全台各縣市訊息防洪防災工程準備情形及馬化連馬太安映射湖的災後復建的工作那首先我想也呼應昭偉剛才所提到的我想非常感謝我們的委員對於整個國內的這些特別在訊息每年5月到10月的訊息對這個訊息的一個關心跟馬太安復建工程的一個進度 |
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那因為農業部相關的工作比較複雜所以我用簡報的方式來做一個說明 |
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檢報大綱請參閱那整體來講每年的訊息大概是5月到10月那在訊息前其實本部級所屬機關已經落實相關的一個災防的準備包括災前的一個相關必須演練的還有農水路農林道路必須要做一些清除的部分我們都已經到位完成那針對馬太安的部分我們也積極推動了農業的一個補救柱還有整個整治後續的一個處理的一個情形 |
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那我想第一個部分先針對全台各縣市訊息訪問的準備工作那以農業部所轄的部分我想分為三個部分第一個部分是在比較上游的部分的國有林區的部分第二個部分是在波地的部分第三個部分是在平地的農水路的部分 |
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那在栽前的時候其實我們非常重要的就是因為有很多的這些漂流木會影響到下游所以我們在上游的時候特別針對漂流木的一個輕盈的企業先做了一個開口合約的部分同時也做了相關的一個研練 |
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那在棕油的部分的波地的部分是一個非常重要的重點特別是在土石溜潛勢區大概有全台灣大概有一間753條那大規模崩塌大概有94處那特別是一些前幾次有遇到一些災害發生崩塌的部分的高峰點區有42處那這幾處我想我們針對保全對象已經做了相關的一個清澈的一個更新然後也做必要的一個演練那在 |
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平地的農田水利的部分那牽涉到一些農民的灌溉所以我們也做了相關的特別是農田水利的巡檢的部分那在漁船上面來講我們也做了相關的一個一個自主的檢查那針對工程面向的部分針對 |
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上個月的崩塌地處理防災的過程一直是我們持續在做的那特別是在去年颱風的一些高雄的六龜及宜蘭的蘇澳鎮等國有林疫之災區已經做了相關的一個工程林道的改善的部分 |
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那棕榆的部分 事實上我們也是持續在針對大溫某崩塌本身去做這些防範跟一些基礎的一個工程那包括宜蘭的部分 高雄的部分也持續在做進行那農路的改善 同時在花蓮縣的赤歌山跟嘉義縣的茶山等重要的農路我們也做了一些處理 |
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那在平地的部分最重要就是清淤的部分那我們針對農水署本身的17個管理處的所有的水閘門跟它的清淤的灌溉的系統都做了再次的一個確認那養殖區的部分的排水的整形工程也持續的在處理那第二個部分是比較重要的是委員所關鍵的馬太安的堰社湖的一個災後復建的一個工作 |
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那其實在災後的第一時間我們就提供了相關的災民的這些金融的協助的措施包括天然災害的現金救助、低利蓋款及延長他的申請期限同時給予一年的免息的部分那在農業生產方面我們也提供非常多的專案的一個補助那這些補助最主要是針對這些農機具或是相關的這些設備被土石淹流的部分去處理的那 |
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上渝的驗射壺的部分現在目前大概只有大概5000立方公尺的一個水量那基本上已經回歸到河道型的一個形態但是我們擔心的是它兩側還有2.4億立方公尺的一個土方那很有可能因為地震、豪雨又造成新的驗射壺所以這是我們必須值得去關切的部分所以我們在花蓮上渝的部分我們持續的做相關的這些 |
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所謂的直升的灑波橫向的節水還有辦理邊波的那個消波的部分然後希望說能夠降低它的一個可能的一個風險那我們也辦了非常多的說明會也請花蓮縣政府做了相關撤離計畫及保全清澈的更新然後也辦理了演練那復建的部分才是重中之重那這一次被土石淹沒的地區大概有774公頃那如果扣除了 |
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核酸次里的范围以外大概需要处理大概是546公顷那546公顷里面我们大概分为两个部分一个是重灾区一个是一般受灾区那重灾区的部分我们规划是做造林植林的部分然后去做相关的一个生态的一个区位 |
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那這個區域裡面大概分為兩個部分一個部分是用架構的方式一個部分是補助造林的方式來做相關的一個處理那在架構的部分其實我們相關的土地查估已經到一個階段然後4月份的話辦理的說明費那在7月份的時候會完成完整的查估報告然後預計會在年底之前會開始做相關的一個土地的一個架構 |
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那後續的部分包括架構完了以後的間接的部分還有後續我們會已經有相關的時程那第二個部分就是你如果不願意架構的部分那我們也會輔導他照領那照領大概6年每公頃最高60萬 |
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我想這個部分會同步跟架構的部分一起來處理第二個部分在一般受災區的部分一般受災區的部分有一些土石葉末比較輕微的部分事實上我們積極的提供水資源的一個灌溉系統特別是在北部及東部地區我們完成了它相關的郡路的修復然後讓它的供灌水是完全沒有問題的 |
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那第二個部分就是如果說它受到影響的話我們也鑿了21口井來提供相關的焊作所需的一個灌溉的量那另外一個部分就是一般受災區的復耕的部分那復耕的部分現在基本上我們協助了相關的大專業農因為過去那塊地都是由大專業農來耕種的那相關的復耕大概今年度預估是在80公頃的部分那我們也輔導一般農民的復耕的部分大概是150公頃 |
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那我想整個部分我想農業部幾乎投入了相當多的一個資源特別在農田的復育的部分那我們希望說大家一起努力能夠讓馬太安儘早能夠恢復到過往的一些一些所謂的農業的一個耕作行為以上報告好謝謝這個農業部部長好接下來我們請這個經濟部和經商次長報告五分鐘好等下是招房辦準備 |
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主席各位委員大家好經濟部應邀貴委員會進行全台各縣市汛期防災防洪工程準備情形及花蓮馬太安溪顏色湖災後復原重建工作的專案報告敬請各位委員不吝指教去年丹納斯颱風等災害的事件經濟部除了第一時間完成緊急搶險跟搶修的工程 |
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更針對各縣市集要的治水工作進行全面盤點目前也核定補助地方政府辦理多項的應急工程 |
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維持河道通暢是防汛的首要工作統計汛前中央管河川的疏浚量已經達到2484萬立方公尺今年經濟部持續針對南陽溪淡水河濁水溪、曾文溪、高屏溪及花蓮溪等高風險區域加速辦理河段疏浚的作業在工程防汛的管理上 |
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全面導入科技監控機制並定期辦理現場督導確保防汛缺口具備隨時封堵的應變能力面對極端氣候下短延時強降雨的挑戰經濟部秉持 |
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任性防災的理念 透過與地方政府深度合作全面布設淹水感測器更導入AI影像辨識智慧監控用淹水同時積極輔導基層社區參與自主防災藉此強化在地應變能量為確保各項設施與訊息運作無礙經濟部已經協同地方政府針對全國水利 |
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建造物、抽水站、水門及移動式抽水機完成嚴謹的檢查、複查、抽查三級作業並落實防汛熱點盤點與通聯廣播的測試並在今年3月、4月間完成防汛準備會議邀集全台水利首長召開防汛準備座談趕集訊息前完成各項準備 |
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那有關花蓮 馬太安溪 煙澀湖災後復原重建的工作的部分 在電力系統台電公司依據行政院公告的受災地區辦理馬太安溪橋橋樑的附掛管線 |
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等多處的毀損修繕及維護復原供電設備及提升電網的韌性另外辦理受災低壓表用電用戶的減免的措施減輕災後居民的一個負擔協助加速復原重建那台內公司將持續管控施工進度及減免作業以確保各個案件在特別條例執行期限前完成 |
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在自來水設施部分 台水公司也積極辦理馬太安溪橋既有管線附掛修復等工程完成後可強化關鍵供水設施的運轉掌握能力 |
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提升原水净水及疏配水系统的应变效率台水公司也会定期召开控管的会议来持续督导与滚动检讨相关案件的办理进行以确保各案件在特别条例之因 |
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期程內能夠如期完成在水利設施的復建工程方面在114年花家沙以及鳳凰颱風造成的馬太安溪淹涉污逾流的災害經濟部在第一時間就集結了14個河川分屬全力投入搶險復舊復建的工作相關主理工程包含 |
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南岸光復123號堤防復建的工程已經在今年的4月達成第一階段保護標準北岸萬榮導流堤已經先完成2060公尺的加強加固另外石榮保護 |
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工程也已經在115年5月20日完成阿托莫地區的北部堤段花蓮縣政府也已經配合完成4條縣管河川備水堤的鋼板樁打設達到防洪的一個標準整體工程預計116年2月完工 |
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那在輸菌工程部分 經濟部在115年訓期前加速輸菌累積災後馬太安溪的輸菌量為1788萬立方公尺花蓮溪為422萬立方公尺另外為持續因應河道屠殺的風險已經核定辦理5標的緊急輸菌開口合約 |
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那在社會復原及產業促進的部分在產業及觀光振興的工作上已經完成重點區域店家的盤點及溝通作業規劃辦理6場系列活動及導入10條的郵程清查災區有工廠登記製造業者共24家並足以電話關懷令受災的中小企業申請障礙貸款的利息補貼已經有21家提出申請 |
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那在花蓮縣光復鄉的第一公有零售市場的一個復原工作的部分這個市場已經在4月1號重新營業在商家援助及災後 |
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災後的一個商家設備汰換的部分經濟部已經核發了388案的一個補助商家汰換的一個相關的設備的案件那另外營業車輛未駐的作業經濟部已經審查通過96輛車輛的一個補助 |
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那另外最後做一個結語基地部將會秉持這個韌性防災的這個理念針對馬太安溪復原重建加速推動加速復原韌性再造強化中央跟地方的通聯實現遜期整備無死角守護家園最安心 以上報告敬請各位指教好 謝謝接下來的話我們請張寶貫這位副主任三分鐘 好吧 三分鐘 |
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主席各位女士各位先生大家好今天本班是應邀列席報告深感榮幸敬請各位委員不吝指教近年來極端氣候帶來常態性的威脅國土脆弱度日益增加面對短延時強降與這樣的複合性災害 |
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本院秉持防災重於救災、罹災重於防災的核心戰略積極推動相關的防災準備措施為了強化今年的防汛準備本院秘書長也指示應該盤點本年訊息前要完成的各項重大公共工程並請公共工程委員會加強列管本院的紀政務委員也在5月12日邀集各中央防災夥伴及直轄市縣市政府召開防汛準備會議共同盤點人力 |
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另外針對馬太安溪地區的復建重建跟遜級整備紀政委跟陳政委也在4月24親自現地訪視相關的重建復原工程的執行情形並且與縣府、鄉長、村里長就舒善避難的規劃召開會議深入討論另外紀政委也在4月30日率同相關部會到花蓮市島他們的舒善避難演習為了使各位委員進一步了解相關的準備進度以下請請要報告 |
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有關防汛全台防汛第一線防災準備情形本辦公室針對土石流及大規模崩塌整備還有益城孤島地區水電維生系統這些準備的情形呢在4月到5月間已經邀集了相關部會針對花蓮光復新竹五峰等七個縣市地區的第一線鄉鎮進行實地瞭解經過觀察後我們可以看到 |
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在保全对象跟疏散撤离方面地方政府大概已经有很好的准备不过未来在经济上呢可以继续落实保全对象复合式的通知以及在地化疏散撤离机制的强化那在避难收容跟物资准备方面呢为了落实行政一体支援目前在存粮准备管理运送等方面都有一规定办理那建议我们建议未来后续可以再强化行政一体的支援并且强化关键机具的物资配置 |
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那在資通訊與電力維生方面目前呢地方政府都已配備了衛星電話高抗災基地才有一定的備援能力那接下來呢我們就要採取多樣性的通訊備援機制來強化電力受施及抗災能力在防災邊阻與應變實務方面呢我們也建議地方政府應該強化應變功能分組並落實在地的應變計畫在馬太安溪復原重建進度方面呢包括光復倒流堤防倒流堤的保護工夫監工程馬太安溪疏浚作業受災戶中期安置作業 |
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農糧產業復建及補助措施政府協助整合推動等方面都有一定的成果在進行中也由工程會在積極管控進度最後在馬太安西防汛整備方面呢紀政委在4月30日去市島花蓮光步鄉的舒暢撤離收容演習的時候已經提出了以下幾點建議第一個是要強化執行撤離的執行與安全性以落實安全第一的核心原則 |
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建立標準化且及時的決斷撤離機制主動進行預防性撤離以確保相關的預防撤離時間那對於弱勢的民眾也要加強撤離的規劃另外也強調要在機制的法制化與行動的標準化方面能夠進一步的加強並且導入替代人力來充實量能另外在預警多軌與權責明確化的部分則會將各單位負責警報發放的權責做更進一步的釐清來建立全面的通報網 |
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此外在撤離科學化與數位精準化方面只要依據相關的客觀數據包括雨量、土砂量、核藥清淤等科學資訊請節省時間劃定保全戶以強化相關執行的精準性另外在收容優質與醫療民間化的部分則持續推廣民眾被奪小局數與避難包並且在災民任務 |
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收容相關的任務方面能夠做好自治管理的機制最後我們必須要強調災防工作沒有最好只有更好面對氣候變遷的考驗單一部會或縣市是沒有辦法獨自因命的本院將持續強化政府議題的團會精神來全面提升國家整體防災韌性以上報告好謝謝接下來的話我們請這個公共工程會議的三分鐘 |
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沒關係啦,先讓他們報告完好了,好不好 |
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主席 各位委員 大家早安今天成門貴委員會邀請代表工程會來報告馬太安溪堰澀湖災後復原重建情形以下就針對重點做災後報告詳細內容請翻閱書面的內容行政院去年10月份成立馬太安溪堰澀湖災後復原重建中央協調匯報跨部會來統籌各項的復原重建項目其中工程會負責幕僚跟行政的協調工作 |
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那首先針對工程會辦理的事項那整個中央協調會報我們每月定期召開那跨部會討論復原重建的事項那每季另外會擴大邀請地方出席包括縣府、議會、鄉長以及原住民的部落代表 |
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那截至今年5月底我們總共召開了7次的中央協調會報那每週更由各部會負責的次長在我們花蓮所設的光復工作站進行這個工作的會議那到目前為止已經開了19次那除此之外我們設在花蓮火石站旁的工作站也是會著每日的工程進度進行限地的會刊提供民眾諮詢就近回應地方需求 |
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那整個馬太安特別預算裡面總共編了270億那共有8個部會提出39項子計畫那總金額是255億那本會審查後城堡行政院已經都陸續完成核定那同時也建置重建專區的網站定期公布各項重建進度那以及居民關心的這些補救助金的申請跟輔導輔助方案等事項那接下來就那個報告復原重建情形 |
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那第一在家園復原未租金部分那這是每戶發放35萬那行政院這邊是依照重修重塑重建原則辦理那截至4月底我們已經撥款了3157件那總共發放金額是達11億495萬元 |
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那第二個就是映射湖的這個那個壩體的部分那也在農業部的團隊的合作之下那現在已經降化工程已經完成那目前的水量幾乎見底大概剩下大概0.5萬地方公噸那並解除立即性的災害風險那第三馬太安溪上游設置三處的臨時防沙壩那同步開設搶災的施工便道來加速整個流域整理制度 |
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那第四是河道治理部分那在經濟部水利署的同仁的努力之下那目前馬太溫溪跟光復溪大概已經完成傾縮的量將近2500萬立方公尺那並在4月已經完成光復堤防的復建那現在正在進行高規格堤防跟第二道堤防緩衝區的這些工作 |
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預計在那個116年底能夠完成那交通部分那岡邊橋已經在今年元旦完成通車那永久橋正在施工當中預計今年底會先完成北向線的雙向通車那整體工程預計在明年完工那第二在中紀務部分也在內政部的努力之下還有園民會那現在總共已經完成新建52間 |
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安排民眾入住那在農業復原部分我們針對一般災區也就是土餘積50公分以下的區域在預計在兩年內復育300公頃那現在已經完成6.4萬區那至於重災區部分目前是草土地取得跟環境重建那也在預計在今年完成查估跟手批的購地那如果地主願意留地來造林政府也會提供相關的造林補助 |
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那第八是雨污水下水道部分那中央在國土署這邊已經補助花園縣政府來進行清雨修繕跟系統性的規劃那第九在因應這些訊息那收容能量的提升目前已經將光復鄉的那個臨時收容安全處所能量提升到2125人並持續來盤點其他地區有無其他收容場所來提升防災的規範應變能力 |
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最後就是整個防汛的工作中央地方已經完成各項防汛的巡檢跟整備我們也都依照相關的這些標準來完成希望說能夠將風險降到最低工程會也會持續追蹤這些災後重新工作加強管控跟執行督導並積極協調跨機關問題讓民眾能夠早日回歸正常生活好 接下來的話我們請交通部常務次長林國賢報告 |
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主席 各位委員 大家好今天向各位委員會報告交通部訊息防災整備跟馬灘西苑社府的附近進度 |
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首先根據氣象署預測今年5、6月梅雨量正常一估臨近臺灣的颱風生成個數是正常江部以全面導入AI天氣模型將颱風警報更新頻率提升到每3小時一次並新增了濱海、鄉鎮風力預報與雨量觀測鄉鎮分佈圖等強化災防與告警細胞廣播服務 |
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第二 在陸海空等場站防汛的整備方面我們以落實各項整備 在陸運方面針對高風險亦脆弱的路段跟重點橋樑進行監控並在蘇花公路縱橫等一層孤島的地區預先部署機具另外 針對蘇花路廊 公路局跟台鐵局也建立鐵公路聯防以加強檢查邊坡路段跟全線落實跟告警的系統 |
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那第二個在海運方面我們建置了客製化的警示平臺QP Plus那備妥蘇花航線緊急輸運的應變計畫也啟動陸海空輸運三小時內啟動SOP跟劃定12海里的警戒海域那在空運方面我們加強掌握臺風的動態跟航班發布機制那也要求各航空公司控管飛機的調度及強化長站的防洪排水清淤等等工作那 |
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第三 在花蓮馬太安溪災後復建的進度方面 強風部在這個預算裡面匡列了44.2億元特別預算 辦理各項復建工作那首先在台九縣馬太安溪橋復舊工程的部分我們匡列35億截至5月14日子 工程進度達到33.57% 超前4.1%預計今年底可以完成北上縣 |
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的通車然後可以雙向來通車那明年南下線也完工以後正式雙向通車目前變道設置三道水位計來監測水位如果超過設定值我們立即進行封橋的管制 |
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第二,在地方政務復建工程方面,我們編列了4.3億元協助花蓮縣政府辦理道路的復舊目前已經合列6案,3億多元在協助地方政府來辦理第三,鐵路復舊工程,我們匡列1.4億元,其中邊坡加固在今年的8月底可以完工設施設備復舊的部分在明年底,16年底可以完工 |
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最後在地方車輛受損報匯的衛助匡列3.5億元那協同經濟部我們提供汽車10萬元機車2萬元的衛助金那目前已經受理3212件撥付金額超過1.6億元那這個申請期限到今年底為止所以綜合上述交通部將持續滾動來檢討各地方入海空的防汛作為強化交通韌性 |
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並如期如止完成公路跟鐵路的馬太岩溪復建工程以上報告 請您指教好 謝謝接下來我們請最後一個內政部報告三分鐘 |
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那內政部請就全台各縣市訊息防洪防災工程的準備情形以及花蓮馬太安溪跟夜色湖的災後復原做一個檢驗報告那我想內政部我們秉持超前部署預作準備的部分我們目前已經完成督導地方政府加強訊息前的準備工作那也包括檢討地方災害的防救計畫 |
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然後確認緊急聯絡窗口落實應用EMIC的系統那也針對一些保全對象弱勢族群還有監控山區高風險區多元的管制宣導那這以上等等我就不做一一述述那另外在這次訊息前我們內政部的應用作為有包括通訊系統的一個準備跟定期測試那其中有包括持續辦理緊急通訊設備的維護跟管理那這個內容有包括 |
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各縣市的一個EOC衛星然後微波系統的視訊電話傳真那這我們會每兩個月來測試一次以及做檢測那在強化通訊熱性的部分已經配合速發部來建置低軌衛星的一個通訊系統目前已經進行採購包括四人傳動越野能力的一個通訊指揮車到災害地點那給它建立多元性的通訊系統那另外在EMIC的2.0的優化部分這邊跟委員報告我們這一次的部分有包括為了精準掌握災情 |
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包括建物的毀損民生基礎設施等災害例如說電線桿太陽能板這些我們都有放進來那另外針對保全戶的對象我們這次特別整合了土石流大規模崩塌地區水災等保全清澈我們都會把它匯到我們的居民的名單來做管理以立災時可以提供正確的資訊那在盤島義城孤島的地區跟防救災的整備那我們目前已經盤點了全台13個縣市173處義城孤島地區 |
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那另外在原民的特收的民間力量部分 我們內政部特別已經在成立原民特收隊在今年的5月15號已經成軍包括12個直轄市跟縣市政府 已經招募216人那其中原住民比例是91.6 那我們也會持續推動防災室的培訓目前我們已經完成133,314人的一個防災室的培訓 |
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再來就是提升一個防災的協作中心那從去年的颱風我們可以注意到目前全國各縣市的一個公所的防災協作中心我們要來去持續支援公所的能力所以我們在今年115年已經編列全國368處防災協作中心 |
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那再來下水道的整備工程的部分那因為全國的部分有關各縣市政府的雨水下水道的清淤跟防汛整備我們特別完成了熱點的巡查清淤督導檢查以及抽水站的一個制洪池的一個檢查作業 |
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那再來 針對115年的防汛整備 我們也會在今年5月5號 我們內政部已經有召開整個防汛整備的精進會議 包括自災氣象的一個警報 國軍通訊整合 還有適時啟動災害漫遊的機制來也強化疏散測離那應以實體測量為優先 我們會針對高齡弱勢的預防性測離來辦理那再來有關 |
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中紀務的部分剛剛那個公共整備已經有報告過我們這邊僅就目前已經審查入住有23戶安置65人那後續的維護的部分我們都有編列在重建條例特別預算內有編列2000萬來做管理那再來就是水利設施的部分目前整個在我們特別補助的花蓮有總共6案1億3848萬來辦理包括最主要是災後清衣搶修跟復建工程 |
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還有最主要就是雨水下水道的系統檢討跟污水規劃那也這邊跟大家報告我們目前國土署這邊已經有整理完我們針對全國的部分我們已經針對這個馬太岸的部分已經完成了測溝清雨總共是50公里及 |
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雨水下水道幹線清淤9公里已經恢復它的一個排水功能那另外在今年會持續做的包括雨水下水道的災後清淤我們預計會在6月底前先優先完成平井段排水明渠還有預計較深的清淤來恢復排水功能另外我們這邊也特別配合農業部的一個 |
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重災區的一個短期排水那這個部分我們已經包括以光復鄉重災區在未完成這個土地取得還有整體排水之前我們會優先辦理必要的一個短期的緊急措施來提供排水的一個功能跟通遇結與這部分面對已經來的汛期我們內政部也特別推動全台各縣市的一個整備督導我們內政部會來持續結合跨部會跟地方政府人力來建構防災救援體系以上報告 |
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好 接下來最後一個報告我們請這個袁明慧副主委鼓掌三分鐘 謝謝 |
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主席各位委員大家早安那今天本會應邀到貴委員會就花蓮馬太安溪菸澀湖災後復原重建工作的執行進度以及預算運用進行報告進行各位委員會議指教本會依據花蓮馬太安溪菸澀湖災後重建特別條例訂定災後復原重建計畫 |
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編列總經費4.6億元其中家園及公共設施編列2億元主要辦理災區援助民主聚會所文化健康站教會及部落周邊公共設施災後復原重建的工程其次社會復原及產業促進我們編列經費2.6億元主要辦理我們援助民主受災 |
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主任的事業貸款利息減免及補貼產業再生復甦及原住民族保留地復原救助等截至目前以執行2.5億元達成率55%此外本會依據中央協調匯報決議主辦馬太安堅社會災害原住民族主任臨時安置處所興建工程 |
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經調查部落族人實際需求以及共識來規劃興建10棟安置處所以及一處多功能的活動空間並已經於昨天就是5月20號開工 預計6月底以前來完成讓我們的族人能夠安心的來進駐 |
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那後續重建工程相關工作呢我們會持續跟中央相關部會及地方政府來協力推進我們希望我們受災的族人能夠早日完成家園重建以上報告 敬請各位指教 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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那麼有關本次會議各部會所提的書面報告委員自行參閱並刊登公報現在進行詢問委員執行權原例作以下宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員8分鐘必要時得延長1分鐘非本會委員4分鐘上午11點零分截止發言登記首先請登記第一位的陳廷飛委員發言 |
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謝謝 我們請經濟部次長請經濟部何次長陳慧琳老師因為今天最主要是要講我們整個汛期防洪防災的一個準備了那我必須先報告就是說我們過去在5月份會有所謂雨災 |
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然後到了七、八月、九月會有風災所以我們希望未來其實要建立我們整個防汛的所謂演練的機制所以我現在要問說到底我們每一次當啟動了我們的平台的時候 |
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其實緊急除了我們前面所做的一些工程以外最重要的是緊急的我們抽水機的設置請問我們每年準備多少臨時抽水機要協助各縣市調配我們大概有準備一千多台的這個抽水機沒關係由署長來報告 OK |
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報告委員現在整個台灣的抽水機將近一千八百多台那我們現在原則上一千八百多台是屬於水利署的不是是我們縣市政府各種要求然後我們補助給他們那我們水利署有零一百台 |
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因為你補助給各縣市那是各縣市他們使用的嘛所以不可能在放訊期間可以做調度嘛所以我們有100台是做優秘的是水利署管的所以你們只有100台100台那如果各縣市都要跟你們調的話你們怎麼辦我們會來做調度怎麼調度就是我們現在蓋我們有10個河川分署就100台的一個抽水機嘛好那第六河川分署有幾台 |
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這個我要查一下我要這個資料 第六河川分署他協助的就是我們第六河川分署的索霞區域所以麻煩一下然後我們台南市跟中央我們要了多少你們的資源來整理然後儲備我們的臨時抽水機多少有計算嗎 |
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這數字都很重要 但我們今天要防汛的部分地方每個縣市多少台 中央報告委員 台南有511台是市政府這邊管理的這是屬於中央補助給他們的嗎對 是我們補助給他們的511台 對來 那我們自己六合分數 有15台 |
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15台請問你那幾萬多的管制但是是這樣因為像去年的風災我們事實上是從其他的其他縣市沒有災害的就會馬上調度過來那是沒有那是發生之後發生之後在過程裡面我們都會去預布像說這次颱風是往南部來往北部的就往南部來 |
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各縣市汛期防洪防災的準備表示還沒發生當我們要去做演練的時候也是沒發生對不對所以我們勢必要把這些數據都非常清楚 |
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在演練的時候就像我在上個禮拜跟農業部長所說的我們未來土石流的部分山區的部分我們一定在台南我們要做一個防災演練數據都要給我們 |
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我們要搭起平台就像現在我希望水利署也就是說這個平台我們在演練的時候我們可以佈置多少的零食抽水機我告訴你老天都在考驗沒有準備的人有準備的通常他都散開 |
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只有對沒有準備 所以你不會覺得每次氣象戰都跟人說 買啦 買很嚴重 結果就是這麼嚴重然後呢 每次說很嚴重喔 你要注意喔結果我們整軍在那邊待命的狀態 結果他就跑掉了所以老天爺都在考驗沒有準備的人 |
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所以署長我要拜託我相信在明年我們一定這也是我所開出來的政見一個丹納斯真的把台南搞得完全不知道怎麼辦所以我們不希望有一個在丹納斯沒有準備的狀態 |
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我們也希望不要有丹納斯 不要有災情但是政府要做的是事先的準備所以當我們在4月份我們會做一個防災演練那個防災演練是從農業部我們所說的在土石流在山區的部分 |
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還有我們在整個水利部份緊急我們備戰狀態我們現在雖然很多的工程在做了我們中央給地方的目前在做的主要工程這是我一直在說的 |
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對我 這裡我的第一檔 建築到現在十八檔終於看到完完全全 能夠解決地方的淹水問題18年 我一直在說 我這人的檔檔十八檔 |
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所以我們這個整個治理工程要怎麼加速在關鍵瓶頸路段如果我們加強了它一次就可以通是不是就解決了地方的擔憂就不會讓別人說不然你錢都花掉了你如果沒有前面的堆疊那是不好的你看我們堆疊了18年最後看到了這個曙光那可不可以不要18年 |
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非常謝謝委員 像增排這也是你請出的 我們陸續都完成一些調段那還有委員爭取很多的 像研排啦 或者精料排水啦 種植排水等等這些我們都正在做 那我們也希望說一次性的系統化治理來達成這一個整體的治理成效 |
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我們現在在做的安順寮 東河段 七谷 塞寮 社区因為這件嚴重事大家有看到就是丹納斯颱風的時候所以它是應急工程還有我們五基站 我們的營空這個都是 因為這都在實際推動中現在丹納斯所造成的 |
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從我第一年做到現在 現在這個大陸段還不知道怎麼辦一個是沖水站 一個是我們宜安路左岸改建還有提後排水改善工程還有我們新順橋 現在新順橋在改建 |
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好 再改建新順橋的上下游護岸治理工程來個土生我們的白水這個都爭取很久了這個瓶頸 這個瓶頸你沒有解決你知不知道當時 陸地的白水都漏一樽這樣整個 連鎖三天陰三天 我去漏三天 |
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我今天非常感謝委員我們在去年發生災害就已經納入測試了在我們新一期的計畫裡面都會優先來推動這個很重要我說的你沒有把這些瓶頸改變你逃生者都不好啦逃生者都不好我們來努力所以這個部分要拜託水利署還有像我剛剛所講的 |
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今天我們的臨時在防汛期間我們要做演練的那個臨時抽水站那個佈置 |
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我們要布置怎麼把內水如果真的發生了淹水怎麼把內水強制排到外水這是一個不得不的一個改善淹水的一個必經的動作所以到底我們未來在台南市多少好你講的總共511台我們才15台 |
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好 到底夠不夠 我希望我們可以做盤整是 沒有問題我們可以重新做盤整 我也會請市政府盤整出來然後再包括你們的 沒搞就是要Stand by或是開口契約 跟一些廠商開口契約 你要Stand by這個部分都非常重要 |
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我要拜託署長所以說我們希望在四月份我們一定會辦我現在已經給你一個考題了明年四月明年四月這是我所開的政見我一定要辦一個防汛 |
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的一個演練從農業部到經濟部就是我們在台南市會遇到的所有的狀況我們都要事先讓我們從地方到中央每一個人都準備有準備之後我相信市民就不會那麼擔憂發生問題我們可以馬上整軍然後馬上到第一線把我們公部門跟民間結合 |
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這才是我們最重要的所以我也希望說我們經濟部可以把我剛剛所講的再一份你們的報告再給我是最後跟委員報告一下齁其實抽水機的一個構置是最重要的關鍵所以我們去年發生災害以後就要求各個縣政府去盤點只要他們提出需求我們優先給跟工程不一樣只要抽水機又輸掉我們優先給 |
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還有一個重點喔就是我們在智慧防災的部分到底怎麼跟我們未來整個防災的機制串聯在一起有沒有搭上線這也是我們下一次我們下一次在事先的防災演練我們要去測試的所以這些所謂的智慧防災的計畫都要在明年4月以前都要完成喔 |
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好我希望可以把它盯住我們的進度好謝謝非常感謝委員的指導謝謝好謝謝陳庭明委員下一個我們請邱映穎委員質詢謝主席我請一下農業部長請農業部陳部長喂 |
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部長好部長我想還是先請教一下這個關於農業的問題這幾天在高雄有強風有短時的強降雨尤其是在美濃地區讓您看一下這個照片在5月16號的時候在美濃地區的最大陣風大概是9級 |
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短時強降雨大概是30.5mm這個是在美濃的吉東氣象站所測到的所以你看這些稻米大概都倒伏那現在的問題是這樣跟部長來進行一個討論這個災損我們規定的災損是要全區到達20%才會有災損補助但是你可以很清楚看到我這張照片 |
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右手邊一絕大部分因為這個稻米田區是比較早種所以它已經結碎在這個短時強降雨及強風的狀態之下它倒伏了旁邊那一塊地看起來還比較完整還比較好因為它是比較晚種 |
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所以他種植的時間不一以致他節稅的狀態不一那如果按照我們現有的標準要全區20%的話其實會有很多的農民是沒有辦法 |
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得到這個所謂的災損補助但就他們來講這些已經準備結稅的已經結稅的稻米完全倒伏的狀態底下其實它的整體的耕作面積大概已經都超過50%以上所以部長有沒有可能我們有一些分階段的做法分區段的做法 |
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能夠來協助農民 減少他們的損失謝謝委員對水稻的一個關心那因為水稻的這些天然災害救助跟我們的水稻收入保險是並行的那您剛才講的這些特別是在屏東地區也有非常多的有一部分是早種那早種的部分的時候因為它節稅以後很容易遇到風倒伏的部分但是它有可能沒有辦法達到我們天然災害救助的那個標準 |
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那因為現在標準並沒有去修的時候但是我想我已經應該我們同仁大概5月18號有去看過你們同仁有下來看嘛但是因為我們都是用全區的平均在計算所以他當然達不到所謂的全區啊那有沒有可能我們就針對 |
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真實的災情針對現況有的已經是就是他整個田區是倒伏了但是你要比照美濃整個全區的耕作面積的話那他當然達不到啊我想這分兩個部分第一個部分就是天然災相關的這些辦法可能要做調整但是還沒有調整之前我覺得針對 |
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比較早種島福的部分 可以用相關的這種專案的方式來協助也許他因為島福以後他的收穫可能相對的比較困難那困難的話他這些收穫本身的費用可能會比較高一點那我們有沒有可能在這個方面用一些專案的方式來協助 那我想我會會後我會請農業部研究一下 我們會請農業部這邊去了解一下 那後續 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
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要不要去改天然災救助的一個相關的遊戲規則我們再來看怎麼樣的處理這個部長我想也是要請您協助啦這個畢竟對農民來講這樣子的倒扶他很容易他其實他的損失是非常巨大但是他達不到全區百分之二十的話他沒有辦法收到所謂的災損 |
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補助所以這個也請部長這個也請您協助好那我接下來要請教一下這個我們今天要來談所謂的防災防汛的整治包括特別提到馬太安溪我是不是請相關的部會包括災防辦國土署水利署是不是都能夠一併上來我請教一下這個單位 |
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115年度的總預算其實到現在還沒有過 |
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115年度的總預算還沒過那但是呢在上一次有一次院會的時候我們曾經表決了有一部分的排水經費是有先行通過請農業部水利署國土署就你們各主管的這些預算是不是能夠來簡略說明一下這些錢你們現在打算怎麼用能夠用多少 |
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我想農業部的部分我們分兩個部分在馬太安的部分是用任性特別預算那相關的任性特別預算我們是包到基金裡面去所以用基金的方式處理它相對的是比較有彈性一點所以我們會針對它的進度去處理那第二個部分是整個農就是剝地的房債的部分大概是80億啦那80億的部分因為現在總預算沒過但是它其中有一部分赤山防紅的部分是有過那這個部分我想我們會先用 |
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那因為自災防洪的部分的工程款的部分它的付款可能會在年終以後你現在講的東西都是只有跟馬太安溪有關嘛對不對對一部分是馬太安溪全台的自災防洪我覺得全台不是只有馬太安溪是危險啦全台的自災防洪的準備計畫 |
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我們大概有80億那這個80億裡面那大概主要的工程設備的付款的期限大概是在年中以後去處理的部分那現在合併的所以你的執行進度是如何年中以後去付款那你們現在執行進度是怎麼樣我們的工程合併率是90.5% |
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工程核定90.5%現在已經陸陸續續在做了所以我們也真的期待就是說我們的預算能夠在盡量在5月底6月初就能夠完成來 水利署呢 |
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你們通常這個災防撤離或者是包括剛剛您講的抽水機的購置你的預算夠不夠 錢夠不夠跟委員報告那這些錢其實會列在我們剛剛核定的4年1000億補助縣市政府的計畫裡面有4年的錢那第一年是編147億 |
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5211.508 |
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那經濟部份是有編100億其他市區是給各部會的那這100億的錢裡面就會包含有些排水的整治跟抽水機等等這些構置的狀況都會含在那裡面都要含在裡頭 對但你們對於現有的比如說你現有的在汛期快要來了嘛你現有的河川整治你現行急需的清單有沒有包括每一次 |
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這個我們都會有這個黃色警戒紅色警戒總是會列一個清單這個應該是你們跟這個農業部一起共同合作嘛這些清單名冊也沒有都列出來是 |
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這個是各縣市要提供給你們還是怎麼樣因為這個可能是災害部分 等一下可能災防辦那邊可能會比較清楚我們水利署這邊理論上是在做工程的推動那剛剛跟委員報告是這個地方管的排水我們中央管也有155億所以我們一整年的計畫在這兩項是有達到250億左右的錢 |
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這樣有辦法嗎?你的治災防控有辦法嗎?國土署 蔡署長您從地方上來你最清楚這件事有辦法嗎?國土署這裡可以做什麼?跟委員報告 其實在今年的部分我們那筆預算總共是29億那也依照程序我們跟各縣市政府大概都有做過一些相關的會議那目前已經簽到那個部裡面要去核定這些工程案現在才準備要核定啊? |
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是因為預算沒下來 所以你們不敢提前做是不是沒有 那一筆是已經可以去動之的我們已經有跟部長報告過那有些前置作業也拜託縣市政府先開始啟動這個部分都有講了那這個排水的預算 我想各縣市政府提出來的需求非常多當然如果依照這個需求是不夠的 以上報告來 那個災防辦呢 |
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5331.564 |
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5345.498 |
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我請教一個最基本的問題這一張圖您看一下高雄跟花蓮的比較同樣是颱風的撤離一個是黃色警戒 一個是紅色警戒高雄可以在一個小時之內就完成撤離1797人那花蓮呢 超過30個小時 |
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5351.65 |
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5366.624 |
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沒有辦法撤離超過8000人沒有辦法撤離我要問的就是說這一些名單比如說該撤離的名單不只花蓮未來的這一些有可能的這個紅色土石流警戒區的周遭的這一些名冊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
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三房辦有沒有辦法掌握有沒有辦法全程掌握有沒有辦法落實撤離的這樣的一個動作是跟委員報告就是我們這次剛剛在報告中有提到我們其實這樣到高雄的六龜我們就有親身去看其實縣市政府包括第一線的公所這邊對於土石流洪荒警戒或者是水災的保全或者是義城孤島地區的名冊其實都會有確實的掌握甚至在 |
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5419.077 |
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你講的是六關我們當然是全程掌握啊你現在不要拿高雄來比啦高雄我們是全程掌握啦包括誰住在哪裡里長都要確實掌握誰把他背下山誰把他載去哪裡這個被撤離的居民住在哪裡誰來負責照顧他誰來負責送餐高雄市的SOP都非常清楚我要請教的是說那花蓮呢 |
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5420.538 |
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5440.651 |
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台東呢其他的地區呢未來如果有發生這樣子的大規模的災難該撤離的時候這一些名冊你們有沒有掌握有沒有辦法掌握有沒有辦法落實下去執行是跟我們報告這些名單在固定每一年在汛期前的整備全部縣市政府都要把它盤點清楚 |
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我們這次到地方去訪視的時候也有逐一去看他們的保全清測是不是有更新到最新的狀態所以災防辦跟地方政府這邊對這些名單都有確實的掌握那當然剛剛委員提到就是測離的速度跟效率這個部分的確有些縣市政府在執行的不管是經驗上或者是落實度上的確有差異這個部分災防辦會持續去輔導他們 |
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5485.849 |
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這個我想是這樣 今天雖然排定的議程是在講馬太安溪但是全台灣的紅色土石流 紅色溪流其實還是非常的多該防的 該做整備的不是只有一個馬太安溪那既然災防辦會主責這些所有的事情 應該要結合各部會 |
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的這一些防災的演練需求比如說我剛剛講國土署蔡署長他在這一方面就相當有經驗因為他在高雄被磨這麼久了每次只要高雄有水災他當水利局局長的時候他都是第一線到現場去看所以他是非常有經驗那這一些經驗不只是 |
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5531.44 |
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坐在高雄應該是全台去分享哪一些地方有這樣子的需求或者是這個SOP其實都應該要比照辦理比照把它建立起來當然我比較關心的除了這些SOP的建制包括撤離的這個完成以外經費的需求啊那我也要特別藉這個機會要懇請我們的主席是不是能夠趕快排審 |
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5533.608 |
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5557.364 |
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經濟部的預算這個總預算我們4月22號就已經詢答完了到現在超過正好今天一個月是不是能夠趕快把我們的總預算排審今年已經快過一半了那今年的總預算到現在還沒審馬上9月份明年的總預算又要來了這個我也要幫你們請命沒有錢你們什麼事情都做不了在這裡講自災防洪沒錢怎麼自災防洪要買抽水機沒有錢怎麼買抽水機現在先撥一筆預算給你 |
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5588.064 |
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但是這個預算 萬一到時候在省總預算的時候又被砍那你的錢從哪裡來所以這個我還是要特別請我們的會議主席能夠多多支持啦既然大家這麼關心治災防洪這個總預算這預算的錢一定要給足給夠好 謝謝好 謝謝議區委員那接下來我們請這個鄭天才委員質詢 |
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5604.015 |
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5626.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
主席有請行政院公共工程委員會的副主委農業部部長還有經濟部的次長請農業部經濟部跟公共工程委員會首先各部會以後要回覆委員的質詢 |
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5628.809 |
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5653.056 |
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就要提到預算法54條你們是最清楚的這個預算法54條延續性的計劃可以繼續用你們也都知道你們的去年的114年度的結算我看了都是90%以上也就是延續性的計劃你們的經費90%以上都可以繼續用何況 |
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5658.955 |
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5678.317 |
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這個立法院主動預算法54條對於新興計畫也都這個通過了所以這個經費根本就是非常充裕而且而且是非常非常的 |
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5680.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
5703.746 |
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不用那麼早 而且已經發包的話 到時候立法院我跟委員報告 所有的預算要真正的審查通過我們才會安心的去使用所以我還是麻煩委員能夠支持我們的預算我問過很多部會 我也是老公也三十年了沒有審 然後可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
5707.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
5724.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
每個部會都私下跟我講立法院沒有審沒有通過傻瓜傻瓜用原住民的用詞立法院傻瓜傻瓜好繼續我們先看這個影片這個跟農業部有關係這個是5月15號5月15號這個也沒有很大的雨了 |
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5734.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
5762.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
我問我這個在那邊的鄉親他說也沒有很大的雨結果就造成了這個佛祖街這邊的淹水這個就是造成的上次謝謝昭偉啊我們安排自己說要去處理這些結果還是淹了你看好接下來我們看這個這個特別條例第四條 |
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5763.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
5779.504 |
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你就是農田的土石要挖掘、要清潤、要換土就是因為沒有執行當然你們很多的理由說希望能夠維持不要挖走但是到現在那麼久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
5780.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
5802.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
也沒有結果所以你們把這個進度你們原來規劃希望就是說那個要要徵收要做什麼你們不想挖嘛佛祖間那邊的你們沒有要一特別條例農田土石沒有要挖掘清運換土 |
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5805.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
5828.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
沒有要這樣做嘛我跟委員報告就是整個農田覆蓋的部分774公頃裡面有一大部分是重災區裡面因為他的土石有的大到一兩米的部分那個瓦本身是比較所以不是我們不願意去處理我想我們一定是非常認真的去協助我們農民的復耕這個是我們一直在處理的那部長 |
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5829.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
5853.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
我之前一再的去了解去問你們你們是說因為你們要希望維持這樣希望能夠造林它已經成為小山了就成為小山造林是這樣你們的規劃是這樣沒有這個因跟果可能要稍微跟委員說明一下就是因為它的它的高度有的到達一米兩米的部分你在挖的時候那個是 |
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5854.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
5866.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我們是先從50公分以下去處理的所以我們希望說用比較好的我知道這個我想我沒有反對但是要去不要再造成這樣的一個災情也沒有很大的意願何況 |
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| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
接下來的當然我們不希望颱風到花蓮去更不希望到光復去但是這個是台灣的特性這個請農業部加油然後接下來這個是跟經濟部這個水利署有關係 |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
5903.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
這個東富部落也是這次因為是5月15號發生了這個積水然後就是因為相關的這些縣管河川 |
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5904.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
5923.098 |
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是不是這樣是不是因為縣廣合參對這個報告委員當初我們進入花蓮溪在阿多莫這邊有五條野溪是縣政府正在做的一個工作那個農業部部長先回座坐下那這個五條野溪因為本來是要做好等一下好是這個 |
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這邊就是造成這樣的野蜥野蜥正在做鋼板裝的保護加高起來但是因為施工有一個缺口當初那個施工的缺口沒有完全補起來那隔天我們行政院的理工有線好去看我今天再提出來就是說這個大家都知道5月就是防汛期 |
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然後也要謝謝工程委員會主任委員還有我們的政委季將軍在4月底之前最起碼兩三次所以都已經開了什麼協調會報希望防疫訓練期要怎麼樣 |
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顯示出還是有落還是有疏落所以要加強更要加強中央跟縣之間各部會之間確實是有需要加強的地方還好沒有造成這個相關的更大的災情但是 |
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一定要防範不要再發生然後事實上你們的經費水利設施編列85億元而且還要包含給地方政府花蓮縣政府的這些縣管排水治理的改善所以要真的是地方跟中央要密切的何況又有這個 |
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這個工程會的整個一個統合要互相的去協助支持要繼續加油是謝謝工程會跟那個也請回座好這個上次召委在召開的這個台堂的時候的一個我們的鄉親說挖土機沒有辦法補助現在到底誰來負責補助 |
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工程會 挖土機工程會這邊開會有力氣 |
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好 那跟委員報告那挖土機其實它並不算是在農業設備類的一個補助範圍內因為一般我們比較少用到所以就不補助所以我們現在上次上週在那個行政院我們開了一次第七次的那個協調匯報的時候有特地那個神經德主委 政委有特地把這個議題撈出來那請相關部會來研議一下是不是從那些生產器具設備方面來去研議看如何能夠來協助好 這個已經這麼久了 |
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哪個部會負責我們本來不是農業部那現在就是看是不是經濟部那邊用生財契機我認為是經濟部農業部也都可以都有不論是在農業部的生財契機也有在經濟部的生財契機也有當然今天可能沒有來另外一個經濟部的另外一個單位今天沒有來我們看這個特別條例生財契機寫得清清楚楚 |
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然后呢我们看这个经济部所定的那个生财契机复原办法第三条生财契机复原补助就算没有列了也要修啊该修法或修办法都没有关系啊对不对他当然要啊毕竟这个是一个挖土机是最普遍最常用的是一定要用的 |
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任何工程一定要用的水利署用的更多所以這個部分要趕快處理就是經濟部沒有辦法定很清楚然後呢相關的這些規定要請這個工程會跟今天在場的經濟部次長要跟這個相關的你們的那個所屬單位定了這個 |
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太嚴格的辦法還有登記這是一般啊但是因為災害發生所造成的對不對你只要證明地方政府農業農業單位或者是農會或者是誰證明確實是有這個何況花土雞不會臨時跑出來啊那麼大的東西 |
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所以這個部分很容易證明只要是確實有就算是沒有執照什麼那些因為有時候過期啦有時候買賣之間沒有那些證據都有可能所以這個部分要請這個工程會經濟部這邊趕快去處理小小的錢所以這個最後經濟部那個水利署水利署留著其他就回座 |
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這個部分這一次仍然沒有去處理本席針對這個從110年10月1號就開始協調關心也質詢這個是112年9月3號海葵颱風沖刷就造成了這個所以呢 |
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水利署你們也誠心含糊本席說這個沒有不會怎麼樣事實上這一次9月2 今年 去年9月23號馬太安西醫院社福潰壩就造成鳳林鎮三期段174至179水就是從花蓮溪 |
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就這樣流下來啊,流進去啊就造成了這個,就這樣進去然後你看,這個農田都被淹沒了農田都被淹沒未來這個地方會更危險,為什麼呢?馬太安溪、光復、鳳林這邊都加固加高了,對不對?加固加高了然後阿都摩那邊的地方也加固加高了 |
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然後鳳林鎮的那個公墓下方的那個被上次923的時候被沖毀了你們也重建加固加高了 |
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那未來那個11整個水直接就這樣流就會流到這裡就會流到這裡是跟委員報告一下這個是不是容我們就再馬上檢討也約委員到時候再給我們指導一下因為確實受到去年的颱風影響以後整個河道的狀況不太一樣 |
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那該去做自己計畫的檢討有些是原來不用不提的不斷但是現在隨著現在情境的改變或許要重新來做一些加強保護這個我們再請委員給我們指導我們再一起來努力至少有兩次的風災這次我們來努力是謝謝我們再研議一下好謝謝好我們謝謝鄭天才委員接下來有請鄭正前委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我想先請一下那個經濟部何進昌次長然後水利署 水利署然後內政部的一個吳唐安次長還有國土署的蔡長展署長謝謝內政部還有國土署 |
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市長好 縣主席今天特別安排了一個因為汛期到了然後在針對全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工作準備還有馬灘溪燕塞湖的災後復原的一個工作這部分 |
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那我想說因為從民國100年開始就是政府對於日益援軍的一個極端氣候那水利署就開始執行多項跨年度的水災防災的一個計畫那建立智慧化監控還有早期預警系統還有改進的一個應變措施那特別是在那個智慧化監控這部分應用範圍非常的廣像新竹市針對所有的那個消防局針對所有的那個地下大都導入AI深度學習影像辨識那個模型系統 |
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的一個效果所以我們今天在講說那個訊息當中那個災害防治當中的部分的時候我們除了在講災害防治當中那本席今天也希望能夠針對有一些能夠有些預警或者是防範未來的部分來跟那個經濟部跟內政部這邊做一個請教因為我看到了就是針對那個 |
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經部下面這個出流管制計畫書跟規劃書審核監督及免辦認定辦法這裡頭其實有特別規定到一個狀態就台南的建築法規對於開發面積在一公頃以上的公共工程還有民間工程都有要求滯留滯洪空間這樣子的一個狀態那一公頃以下的小型建築基地各縣市也都有自治 |
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那個規定在做一個相關的一個要求那我想說目前現在比較大的挑戰其實是公共工程的時候他可能都會有專責單位在那個巡檢那針對民間的建案的部分滯洪空間的時候他可能在取得了一個史照之後的時候後續怎麼樣的一個情況 |
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我們可能就不一定知道了所以說本期在思考一個就是說整個智慧化監控的部分是不是有可能把就是民間的一個大型的一個開發建設跟政府的防災網路系統能夠把它給連結起來那對於上下汛期債的時候能夠把這個包括民間債的一個滯洪的系統都能夠空庫待命這樣的一個情況可以請經濟部跟內政部這邊做個簡單的一個回應 |
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我請林署長回答非常謝謝委員提出這個蠻前瞻的思考事實上我們所有智慧化現在包含你剛剛特別報告過的就是有關於像很多的感知器或者AI辨識這個我們都有納入那我們現在列管的是比較大型的智鴻池 |
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現在全台有179個製紅池那您剛剛提到的有一些開發單位的比較小型的這個類似這種處理管制的小型的蓄紅池這個那可能要整備進來可能量會很大那但是這個可以跟縣市政府來合作看看 |
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因為我在想說既然我們今天在講說學習那個防災防穩的部分那這個部分其實現有的一個法律規定都已經有做這樣的要求那我們很多時候在做防災的時候就是積少成多嘛把很多很多的小型的這種當中如果說能夠適合的時候能夠透過我們的智慧跟辨識系統的時候把它給串聯起來那我想說也許也能夠 |
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我想應該是這樣子有一些規模的大小啦有些像科學園區的它的類似種出入管制的量是很大的那這個我們可以把它連結在一起但是如果一公頃它量可能只有幾十噸那可能就不適合所以我們可能要訂一個門檻一個規模那這樣納進來因為這個都是縣市政府在抽查管理的嘛 |
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那所以我們考慮到他食物的狀況除了說防災防洪災我們也希望防範未然那希望我們在政策當中能夠先先行所以針對內政部這邊可不可以針對這個相關的部分也能夠做一個簡單的一個回應我是不是就直接請我們署長把相關規定來說明 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告大概分為兩個一個是像市區裡面的這個都市計劃公園的部分那這個部分我們也有跟縣市政府依照都市計劃法裡面的一些相關規定能夠在一些都市計劃雨水下水道系統裡面再去增幣制洪池就是把它滴滴化 是那另外在建築物的本體如果它超過一公頃當然就要依照水利署的規定做出流管制那一公頃以下的每個縣市政府還會在另外訂一些比較嚴格的規定做一些雨水的儲留 |
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那這個部分也屬於它綠建築的一部分所以每個縣市政府其實有在做這一方面的推動那我們也會積極的來去跟縣市政府來講說把這一方面的一個明確的一些方向再把它定清楚OK 謝謝 因為我在想說我們整個的那個 |
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氣候變遷的問題那事實上包括整個我們國家的那個氣候變遷科學報告也都已經指出我們過去50年才發生一次的降雨現在可能10年就會發生一次所以現在所有的那個防風的標準應該都會有所調整所以在針對這個防範未來這部分我這邊也特別提到洪水險的一個部分因為在美國就是法國他們其實都有政府的一個介入通過洪水險的部分的時候變成一個政策性的一個要求 |
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來解決這個相關的部分那我想說我們經濟部內政部現在都有一個災害防救法當中的時候都有一個災害救助金的一個制度那我們希望說能夠在法制上面把政府救助這個部分轉型變成一個保險理賠的狀態那這樣的一個趨勢不知道內政部跟經濟部覺得有沒有這個可行性 |
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這個議題我們其實曾經檢討過找過產業工會來討論不過因為在台灣的普遍的他們的認知一般民眾認為說我久久才淹一次所以投保意願都很低就像我們車險為什麼保得那麼低 |
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那那個房屋的一個淹水險更是如此幾乎都很少淹水所以很少有人投保驗所以長血工會認為說在目前的市場機制之下可能這一個商業行為可能還沒有去理解齁我完全理解這狀況不過我在想說我們在做很多政策當中我們是要很多東西能夠先行 |
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那所以說這是一個目前在美國法國他們其實都在做這樣的事情那我在想說我們如果透過一個洪水險的一個部分來說同時也可以透過一個經濟的力量當中的時候來解決這相關的一個問題一個思考的一個方向那謝謝那我想說請那個內政部先回我接下來請教水利署這個部分因為我們訊息到了嘛然後之前的時候我看到中央在 |
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盤點中央管的那個河川的相關部分有特別提到有31件破題的施工案件就還沒有完成或者還沒有施工這31件破題施工的案件的時候有沒有在新竹地區的然後他們31件情況是怎麼樣可以簡單做個回應 |
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目前我們事實上應該跟委員這樣報告每年針對訊息前所有的施工的缺口就是我們查核的重點我們是多項查核我們河川分署會自己自主檢查以外我們水利署本身也會去做全部的一個抽檢 |
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大新竹有嗎 |
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先祖沒有先祖都沒有好那另外的部分我這邊也特別再提到一下部分就是因為我們在之前718的那個先動制的預算當中的時候有針對那個 |
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因應氣候變遷 縣市管河川及排水整體改善計畫因為剛剛31屆是中央管的河川針對縣市管的河川的計畫當中說我們有大概有35億左右的一個經費目前開始動資了沒 |
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我們整個這個經費總共是100億的部分是我們目前在5月6號就已經正式開會因為行政院通知我們去開始進行發包的工作本來我們在年初都是先做先起的作業因為預防說 |
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立法院這邊核准以後怕時間來不及所以我們都先做相關的發包前置工作都做完了那5月6號也正式開會請各個縣市政府可以正式去發包了所以我們有信心這一百億的錢可以如期來支付 |
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針對這部分我剛有特別提到說因為國家氣候變遷委員會有報告指出因為整個環境的變遷所以我們對整個防洪標準這邊的時候會不會有所改進讓地方政府他們去做的時候其實能夠有更精準的依據之後的KPI值能夠達到一個更接近實際的狀態 |
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是 我想這個防洪標準的部分隨著氣候變遷影響確實會有一定程度的影響那但是我想目前的治理率只有45%我們是應該在這個經費有限之下應該做系統化治理先把它達成它應有的整條核心的一個達成可是你特別提到治理率只有45%我覺得這部分其實也是我們多次在要求的一個部分 |
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那麼希望這邊的時候能夠有效的一個提高那我最後的部分想問一個有關於新竹這海淡廠的一個部分因為總統跟卓培都希望27年能夠如期完工明年就27年了能夠如期完工那我們也非常的期待因為它對整個大新竹的供水確實是一個很重要的部分那我們看到了去年的那個 |
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預算的實現率我不知道有沒有因為年底的時候只有兩成到七月只有兩成到年底的時候是不是有是我跟委員報告一下海水淡化廠他的一個施工的狀況跟一般的工程不一樣他要大型那個最貴的那一些模組機器到位以後錢才會上來理解所以今年提高非常多嘛今年提高非常多現在進度都正常 |
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我們現在最困難的海管工程都已經掌握了最困難是海管工程那我們這個掌握以後我們明年4月一定可以準時來出水沒有問題OK 一定可以準時出水沒有問題開始產水沒有問題那我們也期待謝謝我們要來努力謝謝委員謝謝好 我們謝謝政政選委員謝謝這個進一步那接下來的話我們有請賴瑞榮委員質詢 |
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好我請一下那個經濟部的何次長請經濟部何次長 |
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市長我先請教一下一個高雄人包括台船員工也很關心的問題就是說潛艦的預算國民黨有委員提案全數凍結119億的預算那台船員工也擔心影響他們生計那我們也都知道潛艦其實這個台船付出相當大的心力啦800多個員工投入其中 |
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這也是國家交付的任務,做一艘真的是不賺錢的,是很辛苦的結果後面的經費整個進展都有在進展當中,結果現在也被提案要全數凍結這會大量的影響到未來的整個發展,人才的留下來,甚至於未來潛艦的發展 |
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市長你怎麼看當然我們還是希望立法院國民黨黨團這邊能夠來支持我們這個潛艦的這個預算那因為這個潛艦現在目前正在這個進行各項的這個測試那我們也不希望說這樣的一個一個凍結預算影響到 |
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我們這個未來整個潛艦國造的這樣的一個政策那也更不希望說這個國防自主跟本土軍工的產業受到影響這個都影響很重大包括潛艦甚至於我們這個4700億的這個部分被沒有放入的部分這個其實在包括台船我們很多的 |
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整個無人艦的部分無人艇的部分其實它都影響很重大那好不容易我們有一個這麼強的一個造船的產業鏈在台灣在高雄建立起來它影響到非常多的生計那這個對於整個台船都有相當重大的影響更何況台船又承擔了很多國家重責大任當時的潛艦包括 |
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這個黃海翡翠輪當時在封店的時候也是幾乎都是不計成本然後全力的付出的所以到現在為止台船還承受相當大的一個壓力的那如果國家在這件事情上面包括立法院這邊沒有給台船支持的話那我想台船人跟高雄人其實會非常失望的 |
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可是這件事情上面大家是掏心掏肺的全力的支撐著國家的政策支撐著國家的發展支撐國防產業的然後人才也不斷在留住那如果沒有很明確的一個理由動不動就把預算全數要把它給凍結住的話我想高雄人跟台船人都沒辦法接受是次長這個部分我希望經濟部也應該要表達出你們的態度跟你們的立場是 |
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我們絕對希望整個國防的這個預算是站在整個國家安全還有這個軍工材料自主發展的這樣的一個觀點然後來朝野黨團大家一起來來支持我們這個所謂潛艦國造的這樣的一個 |
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它不只是國防而已它其實也是一個我們產業自主很重要的一環造船產業而且這些人才一旦流失或這些東西一旦這樣不斷的從負面這個角度下去的話其實我們這個產業是更難留住人才而且更會打擊到那甚至會影響到相當多員工的一些他們家庭的生計800個員工上千個家庭的一個影響這個絕對非同小可所以我希望 |
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經濟部也要展現出你們的一些態度出來不要只讓台川公會或讓所有的在發聲你們應該要積極的去溝通跟發聲讓大家知道它不只是國防部的事它其實也是經濟部的事也是全台灣大家應該共同重視的事情好不好 請經濟部要積極的發聲跟協助 |
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好 再要請教一下 昨天總統有提到的這個我們對於中小微跟傳統產業的部分要投入千億的一個8年 投入千億的預算來協助確實這一段時間以來其實對於傳產對於中小微的企業其實應該給予更多製造物特別是在關稅有限沒有得到支持的部分這應該要給予協助這也可以讓他們能夠有喘息甚至能夠在這一波的過程中能夠撐過去 |
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這個部分未來會怎麼做經濟會怎麼做我們會遵照總統的指示那還有院長也指出我們要研擬周曉微企業的這個轉型升級的這個發展條例那這部分我們現在都已經在規劃這個條例的一個內容那當然就是未來預算的這個編列我們也會遵照總統跟院長的指示我先問一下預算的編列預算編列會用特別預算的方式來編列嗎還是會納入到 |
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這個部分我們會再跟主計總署這邊再來協議所以他是八年八年的一千億的部分嘛那修的法上面會有中小企業發展條例要來修對我們會一起把它這個產創條例會修嗎會動嗎產創條例目前正在修 |
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所以會一併來做一些調整我們會做一些區別啦那什麼時候會把這個整個草案送出來就相關的這些方案我們希望這個立法院下會期的時候能夠送到這個立法院這邊來做審查法案是下個會期送進來但是這個一千億的部分這應該主要會在經濟部組織吧對那這個方案整個詳細的方案什麼時候會提出來 |
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我們會盡快我看院長也要求要盡快來提出這個嘛好 這個很重要啦因為我們的不管是我們的經濟發展或我們高科技各方面的其實都相當的好但是對於傳產對於中小微的這些企業其實他們承受到相當大的一些壓力這個部分經濟部要用更大的力道來協助他們因為他們是 |
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國家最基層最底層最堅強的實力的一環他們現在確實遭受到相當大的一個壓力國家要給予他們更大的支持不要看到上面很光鮮亮麗的一面當然每次我們經濟成長率不錯我們上這第一季也很好包括我們股市也很好但是在這個傳統產業裡面還是承受相當大的壓力這個經濟部要大力來支持 |
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那另外一個是除了這個之外其實他們也提到很多的是缺工的問題缺工一直都是問題這個經濟部有沒有提出比較好的方案出來這個部分其實我們一直都跟勞動部一起在共同來解決這個問題那院長也指示就是說我們這個部分怎麼去解決這個缺工的問題我們也希望未來能夠在這個轉型升級條例裡面把各項的這些對勞工的這個照顧還有什麼留財攬財 |
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然後還有建立友善職場的一個環境的這個部分我們都會把他納到這個這個我會建議經濟部要採取更積極的作為因為缺工的問題特別是很多的高企人才也大量的吸引很多人才往高科技走的時候那傳產的這一塊缺工跟中小缺工就會更加的嚴重那他更找不到工那特別是有些傳產的是比較辛苦的工作很多人其實不見得真的願意去做這一塊人力上怎麼來補足他們 |
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就一定是要遇到這個挑戰特別我們又遇到了少子化的問題我們也努力在解決總統昨天提出來一些解決方案了但是即使在這短時間內也沒有辦法馬上補足我們現在所需要的人力的問題我覺得這一塊經濟部可能要有更積極的一些想法來協助好不好我希望能夠盡快來提出來 |
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再來我也請教一下這個水的部分這段時間水型大家也很關心那中南部大概還是有壓力那我們現在水到6月7月沒有問題吧 |
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我們現在努力確保6月底之前民生產業以及農業灌溉的這個用途6月底前沒有問題我們努力朝這個方向來努力應該是沒有問題啦沒有問題就講沒有問題讓大家有信心啦好不好6月底前沒有問題啦 |
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但是接下來要看梅雨季節跟包括颱風所帶來的雨量如果順利有帶來的話當然就是在接下來就會比較順利一點我希望還是要密切注意那另外是有很多的現在的防災的工程其實極端氣候出現了之後很多的防災工程要進我也希望水利署在一些重大的一些水利建設的補助這邊有非常多市府也提出了38項 |
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我希望競速來核定 競速來協助地方趕快把這些水利的工程 競速來完成市長這個有沒有問題這個應該不會有問題這不會有問題啦 38項競速來核定啦好 謝謝那另外國土部所說明一下我們大概有7項是下水道的一些補助 不論這個有沒有問題 |
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來 蔡署長報告委員 那個這些案件我們會上一次是有開過會那有一些資料要地方補件那補件完以後我想這個部分應該沒問題這些案件我都很清楚好 所以補件完對 因為署長也是從高雄出身所以很清楚 那會全力支持啦會 好 謝謝 |
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那最後未來的六年的5531億這個跨水域的跨部會的一個治水的一個計畫我也希望來大力推動那最後再問一個沿海地區的部分我們現在過去做了防災型的電感地下化這個成效都相當好像幾次的颱風山頭颱風來的時候其實從小港跟我前陣子那邊的登陸但事實上我們電線感的狀況其實因為地下化了所以就很好那未來是不是你請 |
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部裡面能不能持續來推動這個政策好不好好因為我們在防災行業的時候有時候你遇到這樣的問題電線廠整個吹斷那個16、7級的強風電廠推斷整個電力的復原那高雄又是電力的重鎮我們幾乎輸送系統上當多電力出去我希望這一塊經濟部要大力支持 臺灣大力支持來加速地下化的工程 好嗎好好 謝謝 謝謝市長 |
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好 謝謝賴樂園委員 謝謝經濟部好 接下來我們有請楊瓊瑩委員質詢謝謝主席 楊瓊瑩發言 邀請經濟部次長邀請經濟部 |
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7737.218 |
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總統宣布了將推出8年1000億的中小微傳統產業加速振興經濟方案那麼我們也知道在台灣我們將近有171萬家所以個人認為8年1000億這個數字是不夠的因為我每一次在任何的場合我都要求 |
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7738.098 |
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我們一定要好好的協助台灣產業最重要的功勞者也就是我們的中小企業我們有將近95%都是中小企業所累積出來的這些產業鏈以及這些產值所以沒有理由不照顧中小企業對不對對那對的時候我們繼續來討論請問八年一千億你們預計怎麼做 |
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當然現在中華線面臨到非常多的問題包括這個轉型升級很多雙軸轉型 比方說智慧化低碳化那當然還有一些勞工缺工的這個問題那這些問題的話我們希望都能夠用這個產業它怎麼樣能夠協助它在技術或是說它在市場或是甚至它在流財染財上面能夠有一些更 |
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有競爭力的這個做法那這個部分就是我們會把這些預算就用在這個部分好你看到了我們中小企業的努力跟我們的需求所以因此在缺工原物料上漲數位轉型淨零碳排這一些的壓力讓我們中小企業喘不過氣來啊你既然看到了這些問題你預計要怎麼協助方案 |
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跟委員報告其實我們現在國務部長也成立了一個產業競爭力輔導團那這個輔導團其實我們就是北中南都有各種不同的法人學校然後有些產業專家我們就在這個輔導團裡面來協助我們這些這是你目前在做 |
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所以請針對議題回答總統先生所說的八年一千億的預算那麼你們細部架構要怎麼樣去協助讓我們的中小企業是看得到也吃得到而不是只有口號不是只有計劃型我怎麼申請 請教跟我們報告齁其實這些相關的機制我們會訂定一套中小企業轉型升級什麼時候要訂出來 |
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那當然我剛剛也跟委員報告就是說我們希望能夠在立法案下個會期9月份的時候能夠把這個方案能夠送交到我覺得這個邏輯很奇怪總統公告在520這麼重要的關鍵時刻大家引領期盼 |
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有什麼政策說出來給我們一個原則八年一千億來協助中小微傳統企業的一個轉型但是我們的行政部門到現在方案還沒有出來 |
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這個邏輯太奇怪了新聞報告 其實我對中小企業的輔導我目前就有一個中小企業的一個多元振興不要再口語本期希望的 您說要到9月份現在才5月21號 |
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到九月份你才要提出方案我覺得這個時機 時間是不對的我剛剛提到的是條例啦因為這個條例我們還要再送立法院這邊來做審議那反正具體要求加速是具體要求加速 我們都在開會 |
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我們都期盼趕快提出 趕快協助我們的中小企業不要再等到九月份好不好我們每一天的通盤讓大家壓力很大耶是 就要趕快去做加速 具體建議不要再等到九月再送來 |
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既然總統宣告我們更應該要加速讓我們的中小企業加速所以不會再到九月底嘛 |
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時間趕快加速好不好我們會加速來推動加速推動我希望具體建議將中小為企業我們必須要建立一個簡化申請在地輔導以及分級支持的一個機制讓我們這中小企業真正可以領受的到 |
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這個方向同意吧同意同意好趕快加速那接下來本市要請問您你們最近公告的節能新制要求在今年跟明年2026年到2027年要完成節能的一個診斷你提出了並要他們提出了5年的這個節能計畫 |
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那這個非常好也就是提升整個能源的政策推動深度的一個節能但是我們很憂心產業憂心在電價上升 碳費開增以設備開換的這個壓力同步會增加到我們整個傳統產業的一個成本所以我要具體的請問 |
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那在這樣整頓之後我們經濟部政府怎麼樣協助我們的傳統產業能夠真正的轉型成功節能減碳在他們的一個財務配置以及差異化的輔導 |
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你們預計要怎麼做跟我們報告我們有檢探的這個診斷輔導團完了之後我們會給他一個診斷報告書那這個診斷報告書那企業他就可以依據這個診斷報告書如果做設備汰換那我們有設備汰換的補助所以我們會整套的就是把輔導然後到診斷然後再到這個補助 |
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這個政策本席就具體告訴你是非常的對的一個方向但是要能夠去落實我中小企業很會做但是你叫我怎麼去診斷我怎麼去轉型我怎麼樣去汰換第一個我要能力量能要能夠夠第二個這個金錢啊成本的量能要夠所以你們必須要去規劃我診斷出來我怎麼協助我的這中小企業 |
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大概補助會有多少啊 比例會有多少 請教是 當然我們這個補助計畫是按照按照他的這個計畫的內容來提供這個審查所以我們節能診斷的這個輔導的報告然後我們會來提供他這個補助的一個金額你預計慣例的預算有多少 |
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因為你從今年到明年嘛我們要未雨綢繆整頓出來我們怎麼協助我們的中小企業報告這部分的話我們每年也編相關的一些所謂的設備的一些補助的一些費用不是每年你就是現在從今年到明年啊2026年到2027年請針對 |
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提問的內容回答好嗎我們這部分的話 相關的預算的部分我們再跟委員辦公室來做說明那比較細部的一些預算的匡列多少市長你知道嗎我們再來 因為我們有不同的項目當然是不同的項目 但是你一定有匡列一個總額啊大致多少 |
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市長你這麼回答本席不同意你身為經濟部的次長你不能這樣回答 |
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我們既然對於中小企業我們也是你們經濟部的政策啊你不知道你就說不知道不要這樣子回答好嗎大家互相好請你把總額數字給本席我們怎麼樣來協助一定要推動成功好接下來我請經濟請那個農業部 |
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部長 我們八八風災之後我們提出了今年預計要培訓370名那我們也預計今年要完成土砂動態的一個分析這非常重要那這370名跟這個土砂動態分析這個我們在今年會完成吧 |
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應該年底會 之前會完成好 大家辛苦一定要完成因為導入了AI的影像辨識跟衛星的監測預計這個可以救命而且可以讓我們地方能夠安全的發展本席全力支持 |
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但是本席具體建議我個人建議你也就是說針對譬如說我們台中大甲溪等這些高風險的一個流域當然你們包括了五大流域那現行的這個土石防災專員通報系統跟AI土砂石的一個監測平台 |
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你們是不是必須要把它建制完成必須要整合成為一體作為建制的一個系統資訊可以未來讓我們地方政府可以作為我們防災的一個重要的一個指標跟指引 |
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謝謝委員的建議我想我們一定會朝這個方向做特別是您剛才所提到的大甲溪的流域裡面它事實上現在目前就有一些土砂那就必須趕快去清但是清了這個地方可能其他的地方也要同步處理才有它的效果對 |
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所以要做一個整體性 我的具體建議人跟你的系統性 一定要橫向結盟在一起成為一體性的一個監測體系作為應變的一個指令同意這個方向吧?欸 百分之百同意 一定要落實最後我請交通部 |
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市長您好 我們針對台中國際機場我們的運量成長在去年我們是171萬人次今年絕對會超過300萬人次那我們的航班使用率也已經達到95%所以航廈的服務跟整個滑行的一個容量都到了一個極限 |
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但是交通部給我們規劃是在2045年做一個整體性的一個規劃換句話說我們所產生的量能跟你未來規劃的一體性是緩不濟急是緩不濟急所以在這樣的一個情況之下需求先爆發建設後追趕 |
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本席認為這樣子對我們中部地區來講是非常的不公平請教像這樣量人爆發的一個情況你們要怎麼樣協助怎麼處理好 謝謝委員那台中機場去年確實運量比疫情前都超過了包含航點航班 |
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還有旅客量都超過但是它的容量在我們在112到114年有三項大計畫我們台中機場有擴建整個容量可以到369萬所以我預估今年一定會超過300萬嗎是那第二個議題是您剛提到2045我想這邊要跟委員特別報告我們每5年會滾動往前20年的規劃 |
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所以它是2025年滾到2045預測它會提出這20年內要先建哪些事情好這一個滾動我們直接討論也就是你滑行道不足你還會偵測第三跑道嗎第三條滑行道嗎因為這一個國際機場是沒有自己的滑行道目前兩條都是國防部的 |
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8435.54 |
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除了官部我們有增建聯絡滑行道跟機坪那目前在整理的這個2045計畫裡面先期會先推動滑行道的改善第二個也會有第三行下的增建滑行道改善不是本席所提出的這個改善當然要改善但是本席是說能不能再兼增設第三滑行道 |
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這才是重點啊 是 這個我們來規劃來規劃 一定要規劃 這很重要齁 房價的容量平均跟它的轉債嫩性整個轉帳的嫩性 它是不足的 怎麼樣改善 |
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跟委員報告因為這一個清泉幹事軍機場為主它大部分的面積是國防部的那當然它有同意楊溪區跑道以西要來提供民航使用所以目前我們正在準備進入楊溪區開始拓展跟民航維修區以及華清道的增建所以這幾個部分後續我們規劃安城會來跟委員做個說明一個結論 |
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它不是只有一個local型的這個機場它是整個中台灣產業跟觀光的一個國際門戶既然定位為國際機場我們就該當要有國際機場的一個配置跟配備跟服務所以針對於台中國際機場清泉崗機場航道不足剛剛次長有說第三條 |
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這個滑行道我們同意要增設這是第一個第二個 好 航廈容量瓶頸要必須去做改善就純如我們上個禮拜才跟這個交通部部長也認為這是對不起民眾的哪有那個六點以後就沒有人服務的這不行所以人員怎麼配置我們做過的調整還有一個 |
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轉嫁韌性不足的這個問題必須要立即改善市長是轉機的部分因為這邊目前航班大部分是OD型就是起氣型那其他的轉運的部分我們會試航班的運轉來調整 |
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一定要好好的去整體性的一個規劃跟調整讓我們真正成為國際機場那也將你們第三條滑行到你們現在預估的要怎麼樣建置的時間流程表跟航廈的一個改善時間流程表請順便資料給本席我們一起建構真正中台灣國際機場謝謝是 謝謝委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8630.556 |
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好 謝謝楊瓊穎委員 待會兒洪玉祥委員質詢完畢後休息8分鐘好 謝謝 我們現在請洪玉祥召委 請做詢答好 謝謝主席我們有請這個經濟部 農業部跟公共工程委員會好 我們請三位 |
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好 你好我先就剛剛邱營委員的這個問題我反過來問好了我們現在整個總預算115年的話既有的延續型預算是90%新型預算裡頭大概10%然後我們通過700多億的可以讓你先行動資主計出尾之後可以動資所以我現在想要問的有關於我們這些殉災防洪防水整治 |
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8661.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
8683.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
哪一些請經濟部跟農業部告訴我們明天中午交給我到底哪一些計畫是因為115年的預算因為沒有審查哪裡不能用的好不好我第一個很簡單跟委員報告就是說委員報告就交給我我看有沒有好不好好我再來看這個預算再來 |
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有關於審查這個預算經濟委員會我請問你來農業部農業部預算審查沒預算質詢完了但是還沒有處理對嘛還沒處理嘛來經濟部我負責的是也是一樣所以我們都是同樣進度是吧同樣進度 |
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我一定是配合另外一位召委讓我們經紀人會的預算審查是同步順利進行的這點請相信我雖然是擔任召委但是我沒有任何的偏頗一定都是讓他如期如質推動以上先做這樣的聲明再來我們來看花蓮馬太安西這個8個月之後下一頁 |
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我考察的時間是1155月4號這也跟三位長官為什麼我請公共工程委員會在這裡因為你是我們整個馬太安溪的一個督導應該是整個匯報的單位那我的意思就是說我也身為是我高雄的我也不是什麼花蓮的台灣人我就是台灣人我爸爸綠卡 香港人都沒有 |
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8766.124 |
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8794.03 |
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我從鄉中到新竹交代的話我也是大概11年半在整個新竹地區之後我就在北部新竹這樣工作所以我很簡單的一件事情因為我們在高雄的氣暴受災的時候我看了很多很痛很痛所以我對災民的這個東西不管是我們的地震、風災、水災這些的話我都覺得要苦民所苦以及不能夠忘記他們所以這個是我的初衷 |
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8795.151 |
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8797.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
那我想要看的是說我這裡頭 |
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這個我相信這個是災後的狀況真的是非常的慘不忍睹那我今天比較從上次考察之後大概我是覺得根據災民居民還有商店的這些新生我大概歸納了4點加上我自己親身這樣去考察我想問一下農業部跟經濟部的話你們到今年的5月有去過花蓮光復鄉幾次嗎 |
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8827.13 |
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8839.429 |
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我想我們農業部基本上每一個月都會我今年大概去了一次然後去年去了四次好我說我只講今年一次來經濟部 |
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8842.493 |
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8871.596 |
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你說今年嗎?對 今年到現在 今年1月到5月因為今年這個部分我們水利署同仁其實都部次長有沒有去?我是沒有 因為這個是我們另外 賴次長絕對有去的絕對有去 回去也是交個報告給我看什麼時候去 做了什麼當然可是陪公共工程委員會去的那一次4月30號那一次但是我為什麼要這樣講 就是各位部次長有空 |
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8872.796 |
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真的就到花蓮光復鄉再實際去我們一次的考察我排了五個點他們經委會說號稱史上最硬馬不停蹄六點半一直到晚上的我回到台北大概是九點所以我希望是每一個部次長你們在做這個負責不管交通部啊不管我雖然沒有點名各位上台但是大家苦民所苦 |
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真的要苦民所苦再來這四個問題其中第一個我們先看治標不治本我們直接放影片 |
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8937.605 |
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這一塊呢應該是超過接近三米讓土不要流進來就是靠別沙包啦等等還有一個就是一直不斷的去清淤多少沙包才可以阻擋這根本沒有可能土是還在這邊啊這邊土是沒有清的我們一直把堤防加高堤防加高之後我們會安全嘛你們有沒有考慮到我們保護箱還有五條溪這個溪都很高大 |
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8938.465 |
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8943.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
你把滴到溫度那麼高,你沒有想到讓我淘氣的水流出去嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
8944.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
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好我第一個問題是這樣子剛剛這個是應該是內政部對不對但其他都有在清都是一樣就是我們清出來的河道疏菌然後這些挖出來這個問題就是他清出來就是放旁邊然後那個土石剛剛看到是佛祖階那一段然後河體也不斷加高我現在的第一個很重要的問題是說挖出來的這些的清汙疏菌土方現在是放在哪裡誰可以回答我 |
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8974.636 |
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公共工程委員會先回答來跟委員說明那其實委員提到的是好幾塊那整個如果是馬灘溪跟花蓮溪的部分現在是挖起來那有一部分用在限地的工程把既有的堤防這個把它加厚加高那其他的部分就是堆在那個光復那個鳳林就是馬灘溪北側那邊大多數現在在那邊 |
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9000.27 |
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9020.797 |
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那佛祖街那個是另外一個故事因為佛祖街那個大概整個區域是我們定義的這個所謂的農業重災區為什麼叫重災區因為它整個大概將近170公頃169公頃多那它的淤土的高度大概都是超過50公分甚至有些到6米等於是 |
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9022.018 |
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9032.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
所以經過評估之後這一塊就是說如果你要把它回復到災前的那個高層的高度的話其實是比較不切實際因為第一個時間太久 |
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9034.208 |
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9050.82 |
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好 沒關係所以我的問題就是說現在的話整個挖出來的東西如果你這一塊地也不要了可是旁邊還是請這個花蓮縣政府在那邊做地下水道的這個清理然後又堆砂堡那你不是一直這樣在擄地嗎我跟委員報告其實這已經分階段就是 |
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9052.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9071.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
長遠是先架構那這個架構的過程現在農業部正在積極辦理當中預計今年年底會開始進行收購但是我們也不會因為說他現在我們要架構再做整體規劃再去施工再重新抓高層跟排水就是你說的你交一個報告出來給我就是你們這個挖出來的土方放到哪裡挖出來的量我記得是維園市指哪個地方挖出來的都一樣啊你公共資本委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9081.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9089.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
因為我們有很多區域,不知道委員指的是哪一塊好,這個我們來提一個報告給你公共工程委員會為什麼會不知道,對不對,再來那我就說啦,當時如果不去,你一直在那邊repeat一直repeat就會變成是這樣子啊就是今年的5月15日下雨那天,又淹了 |
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9112.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9129.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
我想要告訴各位是說這個你說短期啊那一塊不管怎麼樣反正就是會淹因為它就是無盡的輪迴再來下一個農地的富裕這邊我當然是肯定農業部農事所那邊但是我覺得富裕的太慢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9130.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9157.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
真的有點慢我跟委員報告我們在災後的第一天我們就全員動員去處理沒有所謂慢的問題但是農業本身的復育它必須要有階段的部分要有階段的部分現在的話就是說在這一段時間裡頭他們的生計該怎麼辦比如說你說是休耕的補助或什麼但是我是說要確定達到它維持它之前的一些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
9158.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9187.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
維持經濟生活的水準啊對 所以我們非常重要的就是他原來在種的話我們可以同意他領休耕補助等於說他不用種 同時他還是可以領到相當於休耕的這個經費去我肯定這一個做法就是說不管怎麼做 因為農民知道就是說我現在很想耕作 但沒辦法耕作因為土地付真的是要時間 明白但是就是農業部要去照顧他們維持他們的基本的所需好 那再 這個不用 再來 |
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9188.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9198.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
他要做原地的就是說接下來就是農民就是這一塊這一塊當地很多人在complain我們稍微放一下影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
9202.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9229.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
他要做原地的先買地不買地的就造林等到這一區到底將來怎麼運用那可能是造林跟植生這個政策好像在我那個壯大興隆女生身上再補一刀六年六十萬嘛一年就是十萬那是一公頃啊十萬我們幹嘛那塊地就是我們賴以為生的工具嘛該徵收的不徵收不該徵收就用徵收架構是槍X百姓啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9229.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9254.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
好 這很多 他只是其中一個代表我那邊去就是不斷的接觸城景現在我可以明白就是說這個農地呢積土超過50公分以上 沒辦法的那個就是植林嘛 對不對然後如果他 就是說他願意土地給你徵收他不種了 那就是用土地徵收市價沒有的話 他想要土地 他就是植林補助等等是 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
9255.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9269.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
小於30公分我們就是走剛剛農地復育就是休耕的那一塊現在的話就是在這個地方也就是說他們有一些是希望能夠以地易地就是說再往下這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
9270.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9298.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
那現在要異地耕作因為說他還是想要耕種去維持他們農作物的一個收入所以現在在這裡頭我們的受災農地官方報告這是你們的報告也都查起來都是一樣73.9% 重災區就是所謂大於50公分以上是163.4%一般區的話是383.1公頃好 那我們不管國土署內政部 台堂對不對這些還有那個退府會都把一些土地放出來 |
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9299.5 |
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9324.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
放出來之後我們來看釋出的土地是145.1公頃結果釋出當中我去看你們的報告整個下來不適合耕作的是134.61可耕作的土地只剩10.49公頃好 有在辦煤盒有請當地的農會人去煤盒煤盒起來之後只有兩個人因為可以耕種的面積實在太少只有兩個人 8.2公頃 |
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9326.443 |
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9347.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
所以這個怎麼辦我跟委員報告就是說基本上農民當然希望是說到異地去耕種的時候相對的第一個距離是一個問題所以我們會去找台塘地有關或國產署有關的地能夠比較讓他們交通便利的部分結果我們找到大概8.4公頃左右然後結果媒合的時候他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9348.873 |
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9376.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
開始很高興可是後來他們又考慮到就是說這個時間的路程的部分太遠了他們就沒有去所以我們會持續的去做這樣的一個媒合然後也希望說加速他原來如果說是比較一般就是雙軌並行一般他自己的農地的富裕我們如果可以趕快去幫助他對我們也開始一直在做如果他的土層菸的土層比較淺的時候我們要加快他的一個富裕的角度 |
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9377.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9381.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
再來的話呢這個可能跟剛剛這個問題是一樣我們放一下影片 |
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9399.315 |
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9399.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
來補助這一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
9411.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9433.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
因為跨部會很多所以公共工程委員會那時候我的要求是你要統籌所有的進度那補助當時我們在給你300億的特別條例預算的時候是從優從素所以我覺得剛剛我為什麼會問你像怪手是當地民眾反映的對不對所以這個東西就趕快給人家答案了現在已經幾月了可以嗎我們盡快來處理 |
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9438.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9462.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
盡快就是要給我期限了不要到時候不出我再跟各位預告我為什麼今天會排重大訊息又要來了嘛對不對你我都很擔心我7月會再去看歡迎委員常常來看對我當然是常常去看啊你們的那個工作站的話現在還有在駐守位都很清楚嘛就在這個火車站旁邊的是每天都有同仁在那裡你知道就派工嘛 |
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9464.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9472.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
那我最後的希望是這樣子就是在這裡頭我等一..對不起 不要動不耽誤時間就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
9475.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9499.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
經濟部這邊的話我相信大概就是我們有一些的這些的馬太安西的特別條例的建設所以包含你們這些親屋堆置外運等等各個工程的規劃預算執行進度在各一個詳細的列表那農業部我剛看完你的報告當然有一些再去找耕地副作有些是要到6月7月對不對尤其在土地徵收那我覺得部長也剛剛答應我了就是說 |
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9522.342 |
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儘量去照顧農民的生計讓他維持在沒有這個當時這個水災來之前的這個生計的一個水平不管你是休耕補助不管是他的農機區不管是他東西最後我也感謝台塘但是台塘喔台塘的園區的商店的店家我看你是寫得不錯啦那個報告這樣寫但是呢我們也不選那個字啦 |
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9523.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9540.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
那一旦免會格格格免租金因為那個人員的遊客數實在太太少我們去看的時候就真的是也是很少啦所以我想這個再請吳董事長再拜託一下這樣子好不好好以上謝謝好謝謝現在休息8分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
9740.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
9755.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
感谢您的观看 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
9861.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9861.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
感谢观看 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
9892.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9894.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
9943.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9946.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
10031.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
10031.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
谢谢观看 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
10080.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10105.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
好 現在我們繼續開會 有請謝一鳳委員質詢謝謝主席 我想要先請我們經濟部核市長跟水利署署長有請經濟部跟水利署 |
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10110.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
10137.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
署長 你好市長你好 你好我突然以為看到署長我想要請教一下就是說現在水地署有31條就是他們說未施工的有31條的那個緊急的這個需要施工的裡面有26條在施工當中5條沒有上未施工那那個部分就是破題施工的部分 |
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10138.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
10161.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
那請問一下就是那五條現在情況是怎麼樣?有沒有左水溪?我們現在因為這個破體施工在訓期前都會做處理那我們都加強這個去檢視目前這破體施工都全部都掌握住沒有問題那左水溪呢?左水溪有嗎?左水溪目前沒有 |
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10161.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
10186.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
沒有是不是對31條裡面目前沒有做那未來我們在推動AI辨識影像辨識那如果在停電的時候影像辨識會不會發生作用以及就是我們在就是說除了影像辨識以外怎麼樣子跟讓中央跟地方有合作的社區房災能量呢 |
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10187.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
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那個我們影像辨識當然這個他如果在因為我們有2000多個感知器啦那感知器事實上是透過感知器在配合他的高層就可以做一個那個判斷那這個判斷是由我們自己在我們經濟部水利署這邊做判斷的並不是在現場所以並不會受到停電的影響這是我們在中央這邊來做加值碼上分析的 |
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所以不會受到停電影響 那基層的那個社區防災呢社區防災部分因為有一些是他自主防災很多里長或是志工他都會提報給我們所以社區防災是這個概念但是我們另外一邊是利用AI的一個科技化導入就是剛剛講感知器或CCTV的掌握那這個都同步在進行那會對淹水就是 |
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可以完全掌握對不對對 也就是說現在有三個系統一個是透過志工給我們提報一個是透過感知器自動回傳另外就是EMIC那個縣市政府他會經由災防民眾去陳情的部分那這三個系統都匯整到水利署來也會匯整到災防辦這邊做統籌運用好 |
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好 那那個署長謝謝你喔謝謝 我想要請那個交通部次長因為 何次長 欸 何次長你不要走我想要問一個問題喔 我突然我想到了我們去年有去看了就是說ADAS的系統那我想要請交通部的那個我們交通部是林次長我們一起好不好 何次長跟林次長不能一起嗎好 委員好 |
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就是說在EDAS這個輔助系統裡面就是說我知道說那個經濟部也有很多的技術以及測試的場域那未來怎麼樣子推動然後能夠讓我們的汽車零組件的這個市場可以擴大那協助我們的傳產跟中小企業就是中部的這個部分 |
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那次長你也知道說那我們現在在這個就是說不管是輔助系統或者是輔助駕駛或者自動駕駛的部分在我們交通場域的這個運用上面有什麼樣子的限制 |
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我們現在會透過那個測試中心去測試這個系統那這個系統如果企業它運用之後那我們也會提供研發補助給這個企業那但是我們因為第一個就是 |
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就是說我們的那個價值高齡化再來就是我們的就是說公共運輸的價值現在也有缺工的情況那所以未來就是說如果我們要怎麼樣子推廣這個產業以及就是能夠協助我們解決我們公共運輸還有我們 |
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就是說在六都以外的或者甚至六都啊都需要這種協助的那個輔助駕駛的系統或者是甚至到未來可能是無人駕駛的系統那交通部你們有沒有像其他相關的規則 |
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是 謝謝委員您提到這個確實是目前公共運輸也好駕駛的重要議題主要就是公共運輸來講有疲勞駕駛的問題有年齡老化有缺工缺人的問題所以目前那無人駕駛無人駕駛也在研發中無人駕駛什麼時候可以上路你們相關的法規法定有沒有做其實已經在測試了以前我們在桃機工研院有測試無人駕駛直接用50公里速度就可以切換 |
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那事實上在不同的示範區像沙崙我講的不是示範區我講的是說怎麼樣要落地有一個問題因為目前目前我們有Level 1到Level 4那一般目前還在Level 2 |
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Level 2就是还是要需要人来注意跟操控那我们就对进入Level 3比较审慎因为已经涉及到驾驶人完全不用操控那可能所有的驾驶责任操控完全是设计场上的问题其实我们Level 2现在也只是在试办Level 2已经有了可以直接上路可以直接上路吗法规法令都没有问题吗 |
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因為Level 2還是要人駕駛它要手要放在環向盤上面所以基本上跟現在操作是一樣那Level 3就完全放手那就跳得比較大那這個部分呢有沒有辦法這個部分現在是測試中還沒有完全導入因為這會涉及到未來就是說超高齡的社會然後還有就是偏鄉的公共運輸或者是像你們所謂的需求反應式的這種 |
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公共運輸的運具等等這個都是可以協助的範圍內是不是是我們也鼓勵業者往這個方向來進行那但是目前車廁廠不是說法規法令啊主要還是系統要完整要能夠完全你覺得現在系統不夠完整嗎目前導入台灣的都還沒有還沒有 |
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那何次長是不是也回答一下跟我們報告我們有一個無人載具的一個沙盒計畫那當然就是說業者他可以來跟我們申請這個沙盒計畫那他可以在指定路線上面做一些測試那如果測試沒有問題的話我想才會基於安全的問題我們才會讓可能交通部那邊可能才會剛才次長那個交通部的次長提到了沒有沒有相關的技術是嗎 |
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技術應該是有啦技術有啦對不對因為我去看到技術有啦但是全盤型的技術有導入在沙盒實驗測試中對 你是說沒有運用嗎應該說還沒有完成所有的測試能夠大量生產然後在國內取得正式的生產的過程因為畢竟它要生產的過程除了測試以外 |
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還要經過我們車漢中心因為這個東西為什麼我追了很久就是因為這個涉及到經濟部跟交通部經濟部是技術方面交通部是安全跟法規相關的部分那是不是就這個部分無人載具的部分怎麼樣子上路然後以及協助這個公共運輸是不是能夠招委是不是主席是不是能夠請他們提一個報告給委員會 |
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就提一個報告給我們好不好 提一個相關的報告就是技術方面以及就是上路的法規法令怎麼樣子到level 3那這個相關的法規法令是不是也提到這個然後這樣子也可以協助我們中小企業中部地區的這些汽車零組件的企業那在這個不景氣的時候或者他們因為我們都 |
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半導體都很好了嘛 可是我們的中小企業需要來協助 好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝那我想要請農業部的陳部長委員好 |
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陳部長昨天我有請教我們台塘藍園的這個問題要在美國的基地做相關的生產那經濟部的總部長說這是你們農業部需要協助農民的部分 |
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對 因為台塘在美國它有一些燃煙廠那時候我們有跟經濟部透過台塘這邊協調就是說 是不是可以讓台塘的那個基地當我們台灣燃煙的一個接力生產的場域那我們也跟相關的協會 燃協這邊做討論然後他們也在做評估跟規劃因為最重要就是說 |
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這些業者願意去那邊做接力生產不然到時候一旦建設了以後又沒有人去反而會更糟糕那現在正在藍鞋他們內部正在做這些討論因為不同的業者還是有不同的聲音因為我是知道說就是說我們台灣消亡美國的藍花是2300萬株可是台湯藍園的容納量只有500萬株 |
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那其他的好像沒有辦法容納那麼多這個我跟委員報告就是我們台灣業者在美國的燃油的基地不是只有台南那一塊不是只有台南燃油還有其他的就是在西岸的部分就是介於部分是介於台南的地那他們在東岸的部分他們業者很多都有基地的所以它變成一個接力生產的一個基地可以供應就是加州的部分一直到奧羅根跟那個那個 |
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這就主要是家族的部分就對了那所以怎麼樣子未來農業部怎麼樣協助我們的花卉業者到就是說能夠在美國這個生產基金那怎麼樣子就是說有相關的能電系統怎麼樣子的怎樣就是說協助他們呢 |
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我們初步的規劃就是說如果業者真的有那個共識而且他們願意當作經營主體因為業者要有經營主體的部分的時候那相關的這些設備的改善因為台棠那塊基地裡面的溫室部分的溫室已經太老舊了那我想政府會提供相關的經費去做這樣的一個修建滿足業者的需求以後然後由業者做經營主體去做處理 |
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好 謝謝那訊息也到了希望就是說除了災後的補貼希望我們農業部是不是能夠以精準農業跟智慧防災的角度協助農民進行訊息前主動式的預防可以嗎 |
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一定會的 我想委員一直非常關注這一切也一直叮嚀我們農業部就希望說在訊息的過程中讓農民早一點知道訊息 早一點做房貸的準備那這個部分我想我們在全台灣布建了非常多的農業專屬的氣象站大概200多個氣象站那透過這些氣象站的一個興建以後 |
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那個氣象的資訊的掌握更精準然後再透過智慧化的一些一些訊息的就是傳遞那才會讓那個農民有更早的一個預防我想這個我想我會尊重委員的意見然後我們更加速的來進行好 謝謝好 謝謝謝玉鳳委員 謝謝農委部接下來我們有請鍾嘉斌委員質詢 |
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主席、在場委員、現任業界政府監事長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生有請依序請我們工程會的理副主委、內政部的吳次長、經濟部的何次長和農業部的陳部長好,請上所有單位 |
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部長好 三位次長好雖然我今天的標題是無農用事實 灌排 溝渠 樹整治 維生管一些盤點並訂立太尖利我還是要從我們今天的主題就是我們的特別預算的執行狀況來我們看一下好像這個委員會好像是我們工程會的陳政委擔任執行秘書有三位副執祕 其中我們來看一下來 這次我們看到就在上週花蓮光霧香午後強降雨造成淹水 |
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那麼副執密呢 就是這個委員會的副執密呢李孟彥先生說呢 非馬太安溪倒灌那麼就很好奇啦他說這次淹水呢 不是倒灌喔 是什麼是阿陶墨呢 是縣府的馬達納西的備水提供層施工的防護範圍不足導致的那佛祖接著是因為淤土堵塞排水溝我們查了一下我們執行的預算 |
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達成率零啊兩個工程都誰做的花蓮縣政府的水利科下水道科啊啊然後呢唯一有進度的是什麼雨水下水清淤工程是內政部國土署做的做了三分之二的那這應該是不是請教於我們的陳副主委說這個工程會在列管嘛是不是那這個情況到底是我們沒有編預算給他還是編了預算地方那種不執行 |
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跟委員報告那上週五的那個造成的那些積煙水的問題大概分享大塊剛剛我也有提到好那這個是因為四條是那個所謂的限排的限排嘛海水系統然後他接到那個花蓮溪是 |
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那因為可是這個計畫其實都已經先核定給 對由縣政府來執行 是那因為我們也知道說可能沒有辦法在那個這次汛期前來臨前先完工所以之前我們從1月開始 所以簡單講是哪一部分出了狀況是執行的問題 我們就是提醒縣政府就是說在這個汛期來之前要加強執行 先將鋼板裝先把它打起來 OK好 那縣政府你們的部分這樣算不算有達標二公委員報告我想那個這個 |
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黃遠先生如果還沒有執行 我們來催他啦好 謝謝兩位 請陳副主委跟吳次長先請回接下來請農業部長跟何次長來所以我們就知道啊 這些一個天然災害來了我們政府呢 通過了特別條例 也編了特別預算不管是中央跟地方都要認真執行 不執行有枉費嘛但是我們來看一下 有哪些跟天然災害每年都在遇到的問題呢 陳部長 |
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無農用適時的灌溉溝渠的整治我在去年的8月我就問過了我說有沒有跟你反映過什麼問題呢現無農用適時而且地方財政困難無力負擔的灌溉溝渠如何處理什麼意思 |
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就是這個灌溉溝渠原來是農用的但是已經沒有農地在使用它來做灌溉了但是卻需要它擔任排水的工作那農業部認為這個無農業事實啊無農用事實啊那這個排水啊應該地方政府負責疏通嘛對不對但是很多地方政府他編的預算遷域的工經費很少啊那怎麼辦你說這個部分呢我們都有跟經濟部在處理有沒有經濟部有沒有跟你們在處理 |
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我想我們在四年一千一年的那個治水預算裡面就是有一些編列那這我要跟委員報告就是說我們這些無農用適時的灌排我們把使用權移交給地方政府那地方政府要做區排的時候那相關的這些縣市管核酸的治理的部分我相信後續就會有經費去支持他們很好來來 何市長我來看一下 我就上次 |
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上個月我們安排了一個經濟委員會的考察去這個酒爐鄉 鄉長很關心這個其實旁邊原來都是農田但是後來這個大缸油它其實就是一個地方的區排可是每次說到那裡 你看年久失修了嘛他會什麼 他沒有什麼灌溉過每次颱風來 好雨來 淹水淹到旁邊的田怎麼辦呢 就說要省修結果經濟部說這個縣管的啦 |
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相關人說 老縣政府人 縣政府人做 都沒錢啦最後誰去做還不是找你經濟部 經濟部怎麼看待這個事情 |
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我們應該可以納入到縣市管河川的這個計畫跟委員報告一下這條是這樣有期待了解 旁邊有一點殘但是也是屬於那種排水那我是建議這樣子 我們馬上來會勘一下因為這些東西可能涉及到農田 也涉及到它的一些排水我們馬上來會勘 好 謝謝署長 |
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4年1千億連農業部跟我們都可以納進去所以我們可以全力來協助沒有問題有提到的個案你們當然協助但是我要提到很多很多我們幫農業部長回顧一下當年地方的農田水利會它是在農田水利法時期它來建造的灌溉溝渠但是經過水利 |
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改制之後 農水署成立了對於這些無農用事實 無灌溉需求的他就怎樣 他就交給地方啊他呢 也不執行清淤那地方這種財政困難啊颱風來了 好雨來了 積水那後來水利署都找到水利署說用應急工程處理啦市長是不是這樣 署長是不是這樣子是是這樣嘛齁 應急工程 那麽應急工程我打個比方啦 你看一下 |
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以前比較有錢的朋友他買的車他都保全險 夾一瓶是他買最貴的平常看他開豪車可是有刮傷 有碰撞 他都沒有再處理等到出險的時候 進車車廠這會修理 反正保險公司出 |
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我們剛剛講的災修工程 印尼工程就是這樣子地方政府很多的什麼 很多的這些原來的灌溉工序現在沒有農用適時了他也沒有能力定期去更新改善阿你又說什麼 先來看啦 冰箱是好雨有藥水來的 看好啦好啦天啊風太熱喔 有災修工程喔 我做一次給你做做的啦部長是不是這樣子 有沒有聽過 有沒有聽過這個說法 |
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還是要請兩位署長代答一下有一部分是這樣子不過我要跟委員報告就是說其實是院長在指示的這四年一千億裡面其實有一部分就是要做系統性的治水是的就是不要說中央跟地方對地方地方然後包括一些部分我不想我想我們跟經濟部一定是一個整合的一個單位一起來協助 |
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所以經濟部也是一樣 水利署也是一樣 對不對跟你們的垂直下去告知現在地方的民眾 地方的代表找我們去看他來看說這樣好不好 我們現在的溺斗有成沒成啦聽說風災過後 你們的破災修工程我們幫你製造的會利用二倍金嘛 |
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可是這樣不是正辦啦 對不對所以我們希望說呢 不要等到淹水已經造成災損了再來修理 好 往下看來 這也是萬丹俊上次有一個感謝我們這個農水署的支持真的特別跟署長感謝但是喔 你要知道當地鄉親給我說什麼我們萬丹農地中委喔是民國70年的時候開始做的啦這是民國70年做的啦 現在幾年了 |
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四十幾年了結果這些呢 我們的錢都是一段一段一百米 兩百米在維護啦你知道屏東 當然是萬丹的農地創化區就有將近多少 他說有好幾千條的這樣的灌溉溝水呢錢夠不夠 補充 蘇黨錢夠不夠 |
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我想每一年都需要非常多的經費那當然也要希望立法院能夠支持我們當然支持過去的前瞻基礎建設我們要全力支持尤其是特別預算都絕不能砍你剛才講的那一條基本上他完成設計規劃大概下個月就會發報失踪我現在不是單一個案我是舉例給你聽所以說四五十年需要的要定期的台灣更新重點來了 |
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所以我認為維生管線經濟部和市長你也可以聽一下維生管線應該盤點並訂定態件率包括什麼集水包括排水包括供電包括供氣這些管線都有它的年限你不要等到漏了 |
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破了 壞了再來修 應該怎樣應該是有一個太監慮像包括這個排水來講好了 有農用適時的 有灌溉需求的這些灌溉的溝渠呢如果他是納入我們維生管線 定期的盤點然後編列預算 而且訂定太監慮你請喔 也要定期保用啊你如果說 |
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所以我現在部長我們兩位部長跟市長是不是共同承諾請農業部其實是經濟部為主啦因為經濟部大部分的這個管線呢維生管線你們在負責農業部因為你們很多的灌溉溝渠都要移給來做這個排水請研議盤點維生管線 |
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包含無農用 限無農用事實的灌溉架構局訂定一個太監率及編列預算的因應對策不是叫你培育生喔 要培育生要怎麼對策喔要把行政局偷錢 要把租界總署偷錢 要把立法院拜託提出來一個 可以嗎 部長可以嗎應該可以吧可以啊 次長呢可以那兩位署長要拍拍手啊 這個對你們最有幫助啊好 謝謝部長 謝謝次長 謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝宗家兵委員 |
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謝謝部長接下來我們有請這個李玉琳委員質詢謝謝主席 請經濟部的何次長還有內政部的吳長次跟經濟部水利署的署長經濟部內政部水利署委員好 |
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市長好我們今天特別是要討論一下就是我們的防災的問題那尤其是花蓮馬太安溪這個堰塞湖發生嚴重溢流在短短30分鐘的時間洪水跟土石流就傾瀉而下 |
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把這個馬太安溪橋也沖斷了還有就是那個整個灌溉到到光復鄉的市區裡面去這個表示就是我們的所有的硬栽防護的這個能力非常的不足那尤其是在這一次之後我們特別針對這個事前的監測跟我們防災的資訊整合跟防災的宣導這個預防的這個撤離部分我們中央跟地方一定 |
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要合作的所以要更加的完整跟更加的及時的應變這個機制那尤其是上個禮拜5月15號這個豪大雨來的時候光復鄉這邊還是出現了這個災情還是淹水的情形所以這整個淹水的排水系統的堵塞問題的話我們請先請熱政部這邊 |
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這個是整體來看 這個堵塞不會說是完全就是水溝的問題因為我們現在這個中下流的話 馬太安這個中下流它整個河床整個都抬高了 而且那個清淤的部分也沒有辦法完全清淤包括中流部分 下流部分的這個好幾萬這個 |
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沙石的部分還沒有完全清除所以請問一下我們對這個整個排水系統要該怎麼加強好 謝謝委員的指教我想5月15號大概有一個狀況就是它的飼養量超過40mm那其實我這邊我們有請國度署去調查其實在市區的排水的部分其實它都沒有到滿管所以市區的部分是還OK市區的話就是排水系統是 那最主要是在那個就是在那個農業種摘區的部分 |
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那因為那邊的土石方的部分還要再配合農業部來做整治那我想大概有幾個措施啦那個其實我們在5月15號之後也針對排水溝的部分還是有要持續清淤那另外在那個因為他目前有土石所以很多是做民渠 |
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那明渠的部分我們現在是就是配合做旁邊做一些砂包先做堆置讓它做一個退後退後之後盡量讓它減緩下來的一個沖刷那這樣也可以降低未來的一個排水溝的容易淤積啦那我想可能都是一些砂包或太空包來先暫時做個處理那我想這個長遠的部分我們這邊還是會配合農業部的相關的一個整治還是要加強這個系統要做好來尤其河窗的那個清汙的部分的話一定要加強把它做好來好不好是的 |
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我們內政部就先請回那我們想請教我們經濟部尤其我們這個整個業社會的這個降霸的工程都已經完成了那我們整個災害的這個風險似乎 |
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就是說已經都轉移到這個中下游部分為什麼這麼說呢我們在農業部的這個水保署這個圖資來看現在中游的部分它堆砂的部分有大概4288萬立方公尺下游的部分堆砂部分有3067萬立方公尺那整個河床是整個抬高出來了那未來的颱風 豪大雨 這個河床 |
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可能就會再次再把他那個霧凝淚都沖進這個市區那經濟部水利署是相關的那個提防的工程是有在繼續進行的那目前累計清淤部分只有做到2200萬立方公尺的土砂那未來這7月份馬上就颱風的頻率就比較高了那請問一下我們還可以做多少努力來清除這個土砂 |
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報告委員有關這個馬太安溪跟花蓮溪目前已經清了2200萬方那這個目前的河道已經恢復到這個颱風前的一個狀況已經可以容許原來設計100年的洪水頻率沒有問題水容量的 |
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對 那河潮疲高的部分呢已經都恢復了 恢復到對那個颱風前的狀況了我們今年也會看今年的預計情形再來滾動減少所以要加強 剛剛我念的數字給你就是說你只清了2200萬立方公尺 對那還有5000多欸但是那一段因為是在中上游事實上人機沒辦法上去的我們現在是清我們8公里水利署負責的河端那你要怎麼清呢 |
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那一個部分可能要林保署這邊他們有做一些藍沙壩來做一些把泥沙這邊做一定的一個調適的處理因為上游的部分它人跡跟整個腹地所以還是要加強清淵把整個我們河川河 |
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清瑜還是要集中在我們下游地點上游他可能沒辦法做清瑜因為那邊的山谷沒有腹地所以就沒辦法對只能到下游 只能到中下游而已對那我們都會來等他下來以後我們就馬上來做清瑜 |
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那未來還是會沖刷下來了喔會 像豪大椅現在都是豪大椅 快速的是 依照過去的這個屠殺經驗這種就等他看天啊 他沖下來就沖下來 看處理我們就要尊重大自然因為這個大概長達10年以上的時間慢慢做調適所以還是要加強河川的這個清淤河川的加強它這個流水量的問題 |
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是 這個我們已經有在加強一定要加強 非常感謝好 那現在請問一下因為我們預算都編下去了那這些預算裡面我們看到執行部分很多都是零執行的我們看到在這個電力系統重建項目部分預算的零執行除了說電線剛剛被打斷的有修復這修復的情形的話也只有三成而已將近七成沒有沒有修復 這什麼原因呢 |
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我們請經濟部的有沒有這個應該 我們都有在執行啦 那那個是預算的核銷的部分是不是這不是預算核銷的問題啦 這你零執行率耶你四項工程你只有一項 只有一項做到三成 其他都沒有做好 |
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林執行為什麼 我們不是在搶修 修復嗎 趕快把恢復原形嗎那結果是呢 為什麼林執行 是有什麼問題 發布出去嗎總共有四項 委員看到了 前面的兩項是今年度要做的那後面的兩項到明年度 所以它執行的期間是有些是今年度 也有些是到明年度 |
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那今年的第二項其實是已經開始在做了所以它四月其實已經完成了31.52那第一項的部分因為它涉及到一些相關污泥的維護就清楚那台電會持續的趕快把它做完 |
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雖然這個預算是大概四五年的時間的預算但是我們要快速每年都有颱風尤其現在這個汛期又七月颱風都要來了所以趕快把這電力整個配電跟我們的電網趕快加強起來 |
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尤其是那個電線桿的部分 第二項的部分是不是 你只做了三層而已啊其實四月份 其實它的預算 其實累計只有分配到六百多萬其實台電已經做了一千兩百多萬所以我們其實有超前 按月的進度是有超前的還是趕快完成 好不好 你要加強的部分好 那接下來要請教的就是說因為這個我們整體來講在我們的訊期和我們的整個 |
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淹水的部分我們都要做一個監測那尤其我看看一下那個經濟部的一些資料裡面我們在梅雨跟那個颱風季到來的時候我們中山跟地方在這方面有完成了各項的這個訊息的整備工作那尤其是我們多次的這個防汛的這個演練中也被投了像桃園他都有被投了這個移動式的抽水機來因應緊急的需要那尤其要強化這個污泥跟巡迴的這個 |
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回報的機制要水利署都趕快的來加強那尤其是說我們看到了一些我們要監測的部分那淹水的部分我們要做一些監測我們預算也都編下去了那目前來講淹水紀錄裡面沒有安裝的部分這個感測器這個部分我們沒有安裝的還有333個地方為什麼沒有安裝 |
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跟委員報告事實上是淹水感知器在全省有兩千多處兩千五百多非常有用的對 兩千五百多我們其實一直立促縣市政府趕快盤點出來我們針對這種淹水感知器都有都有都有編列出來是你們沒有去安裝啊 |
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我們是補助地方政府去做的那他們只要提出來針對這種淹水感知器、抽水機我們都全力優先支援那現在就是剛剛委員看到的335這有些是因為它可能只有一次淹水我們要連續兩三次在那個地點有容易淹水我們會優先來做那如果有三個地點連續那個地點淹過三次那我們優先來做 |
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你能一直在淹過三次的話才要安裝感測器啊應該這樣講因為有些它淹水是因為很急淹過一次的不裝三次以上才被裝應該看它的狀況有些只是因為堵塞的狀況那只要是那個地點容易淹水我們都會力促它趕快做那事實上縣市政府只要提出來我們都全力支持 |
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我要講的就是 你不能說像如果這個地段沒有發生過車禍 大型車禍你就不安裝監視器 不能有這種心理對 往期死是很熱議 而且認為有用這個都是預防的 對不對你不要等不預防 等來善後 事情發生再來檢討 |
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我還是再次跟委員報告一下我們對於淹水感知器是全力支持而且開會立促縣市政府提出來只要他們提出來縣市政府提出來到經濟部水利署我們全部都核准 |
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那現在不要說等三次好不好 有淹水的狀況好 這個我們來立訴他們趕快來做好不好 你不要等這些333個都是這種情形喔我們來立訴縣市政府趕快提出來對 我們這個預防重於善後善後檢討都沒有用 請你再加強我們全力來支持 謝謝好 我們謝謝李議員 謝謝接下來我們有請蔡議員委員 諮詢 |
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謝謝主席我們先請這個國產署的今天是主秘來是 委員好主秘好 |
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主任因為我們基於這個國有財產法就是關於國有耕地的國有耕地的放豬販林那以及關於造林農耕養殖的事業等事業可以來辦理放豬販林辦法是由財政部會同有關機關來擬定那所以我們依此去看了國有耕地的放豬辦法第6條那第2條有 |
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第六條他們針對所謂國有根定放豬的一個對象那有規定了所謂這個第六條裡面始終第三就是說實際耕作毗邻耕地的耕地所有權人那第四款是說實地耕作毗邻耕地的耕地成豬人那表示說以第三跟第四他基於一個土地的一個完整性那他去 |
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放租的一個對象 他在耕地的所有權人 毗鄰耕地的所有權人或者是毗鄰耕地的成租人 他們就可以去要求過耕地的放租 這在耕地上有這樣的規定那 |
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最近因為我接受不少陳情那就發現說像這樣的耕地跟所謂的養殖用地的規定是不一樣的也就是說養殖用地如果我毗鄰我旁邊有個餘溫那我這邊是餘溫那我基於我養殖的完整性我可能需要把我旁邊的土地同樣的這一塊養殖用地把它租起來那就方便我整個養殖的一個完整性 |
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結果沒有辦法,他只能用標誅的方式,那標誅基本上就充滿著不確定性,就沒辦法用所謂的一個放誅。那我想這樣的規定當時是設計上的瑕疵呢?那還是你們對於所謂國有耕地跟國有的養殖用地,你們用這樣不同的標準的用意是何在? |
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耕委員報告就是因為主要是國有耕地放豬他當時是為了擴大農地的耕作所以他在國有耕地他的定義裡面就是指的是區域計畫範圍的特定農業區一般農業區還有山坡地保育區森林區的農牧用地並作為這個農作跟畜牧使用那因為養殖用地的他不是這個 |
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國有耕地放租辦法所定義的農牧用地所以他沒有辦法來適用這個法條來辦理那養殖用地呢另外我們針對養殖用地的出租呢我們在國產法42條裡面就是規範就是說如果是在82年7月21號以前 |
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有實際使用而且符合一些規定的話是可以來進行辦理出租的來訂定養殖地的租約另外如果是在海岸地區的土地的話如果漁業主管機關准許他來養殖的話我們也可以來辦理養殖地的放豬 |
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那第三種就是說如果他養殖地我們是可以來辦理標株的所以目前針對養殖地的部分那現行機制是已經有來出放株給漁民來使用養殖以上說明對所以剛剛事實上講的就是答案就是說你們養殖地的用標株那跟現在國有耕地用放株的這個方法 |
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不一樣那你說國有耕地有基於說你希望他們就是比較大規模的一個耕作那養殖一樣啊我如果餘溫我在旁邊還有另外一塊餘溫那我可能一套設備或一套管理機制那就方便他養殖那為什麼同樣的一個精神沒有辦法就比照國有耕地那這涉及到你們的辦法你們就調整你們的辦法就好啦也不用用到修法 |
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因為應該是說國產法46條裡面它針對國有耕地的部分它可以來提供放租所以當時內政部在訂國有耕地放租辦法的時候它已經去界定了這個耕地的範圍了它並不包括養殖用地那是第一項 |
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你說國有耕地得提供 得提供為放豬或放羚之用但是你第二項一樣是有規定啊可供照林農墾養殖等事業用者得辦理放豬或放羚事實上是一樣的啊第二項它所授予就法條授予你們的權利一樣只是你們在訂辦法的時候你們卻把國有耕地跟所謂的養殖用地你們把它做了一個很大的一個區隔 |
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那這個是你們當時的考量的問題,那考量問題就是說,您希望耕地可以越大規模越好,養殖你們卻沒有把這一塊放進來那如果是當時的一個缺漏,一個瑕疵的話,我們就辦法把它補辦就好啦為什麼一定要堅持說,好那國有的養殖用地,你們就要用標諸的 |
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应该是说这个国产法46台湾第二项的是边际跟海岸土地他指的是那个海岸地区的土地在办理所以如果海岸地属于海岸土地的话如果是属于渔业主管机关同意养殖的话那是可以直接放出的 |
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對啊,那養殖也並不是只有海岸地啊養殖事實上很誇張啊那你指的海岸地到底多少範圍是海岸?這個有定義嗎?有,就是土地法14條第一項第一款就是不得私有的土地到低潮線的地方這個範圍是我們的所稱的海岸地那這看起來範圍就是小嘛 |
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範圍就是以現在我們傳統認知的養殖啦事實上養殖應該還是有一點在也不是純海岸才有養殖它像餘溫的養殖那餘溫的養殖咧主委我是沒辦法理解啦是怎樣就把它放寬規定這樣就可以了 |
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讓他一樣有放豬嘛,我既然在旁邊有,我在旁邊已經有養殖,已經有養殖適時那我希望把我旁邊的土地一併取得,那也是一樣在裡面做啊,那你為什麼不能讓他放豬應該說他當時在訂定的時候,在耕地放豬辦法裡面,他是針對農牧用地去訂而已 |
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對 那是耕地啊 那你們還是有一條關於養殖的辦法那你們只要把精神比照就好啦因為它這個第二項的養殖 它是邊際跟海岸地邊際跟那邊際跟海岸 那所以一般的養殖用地就沒有在裡面對 是的所以你認為說這還是要回到修法 |
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如果祖密你的意思是說要回答那修法我就來提案了所以說我是覺得這件事情理解起來並沒有那麼複雜我也不覺得說這個你們用去用辦法調整因為精神是一樣的嘛你若去農民你希望他們生育比較快讓他們方便管理對於漁民一樣啊精神一樣啊讓他們方便管理啊他們既然養殖你就讓他們大面積來養殖這有什麼問題嗎 |
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而且他還是要養殖用,他不能做其他使用他違反使用的話,你們的租約會收回去,沒有錯吧?對不對,就會中止他的租約所以他一樣是要維持養殖,那指於說他在管理上的方面,他需要跟旁邊的人既然那塊是固有的,他就把它收起來,這樣怎麼有什麼問題? |
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那我再有請這個內政部國土署署長蔡署長 |
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主長時間是不太夠了我想要跟你聊一下我們現在嘉義的再生水廠的興建目前的評估大概每日的供水量是6500噸那它的再生水的來源當然是民生的污水以及是一個這個溪的一個節流的一個水 |
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那目前我們嘉義縣的普遍接管率還是不足嘛那所以署長你們認為說要怎麼去強化未來我們整個嘉義縣區尤其在縣制特區這裡它的污水的一個污水下水道的接管率那第二個我們如果用瀑子溪的節流水那為什麼不把鄰近的巴掌溪一併考量在內呢 |
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跟委員報告那個嘉義縣這個地方的污水接管我想我們每年度都有編列預算去補助地方政府那這個部分我們再來盤點說哪些區域包含用戶接管的那個實施能夠再增加這個部分我們會再跟地方政府加強 |
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那另外再生水的部分應該今年會完成完成招商他119年應該可以供水但是他節流的部分剛剛委員提到的是說節流巴掌溪我們再來跟那個縣政府溝通一下因為這個部分要涉及到那個水體的一個水質他有可能在那個位置 |
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是趕潮段或等等的我們再來去評估一下那部分巴掌溪還不是趕潮段那我們再來基本上應該如果真的在做節流應該還是會從水上就是中埔到水上這一段我認為說這一段基本上它是還有一定的水量而且這邊如果一樣做節流的話未來可以有更穩定的水因為我們知道整個未來台積電COWAS的設廠它的水 |
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需求是會持續攀升的上次我們在省區計畫的時候也知道說這個地方的再生水量不足那如果說剛剛委員提到的這個建議我們評估完可以的話可能就是在這個方案裡面我們再把它調整進去所以我希望把巴掌系納進來因為瀑子溪跟巴掌系一樣有一個問題就是說它遇到這一個 |
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汛期跟非汛期尤其說像現在溫某漏洪的情況它的水源就會少所以你們多一點來源未來對於整個再生水的供應的一個穩定度這個才會有更大的幫忙而且以現在來說現在累者相對的成本是比較低的你跟未來已經都規劃差不多差不多來追加那等於成本又會提高很多好不好好謝謝委員提供這個非常好的意見謝謝好那就麻煩署長好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝蔡議員 接下來我們有請侯孟楷委員那我們中午不休息 延長開會時間之議程處理完畢好 感謝主席 是不是可以先請我們水利署署長跟我們交通部次長 |
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水利署署長 專案部次長好 感謝署長 次長本席今天感謝這個召委安排這樣的一個專案報告那其實相對重要那本席這邊地方也有我們需要來共同探討的部分就是我們的淡水河啊其實上個禮拜淡江大橋通車之後讓淡水河又再一次很多國人去看 |
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那淡江大橋通車當然方便可是另外一個部分就是過去到現在本市也一直也召集過幾次開會可是一直沒有辦法解決的問題就是淡水河下游的泥沙淤積的狀況有一說是說是石門水庫這邊的泥沙這個排放也因此造成是說我們下游的泥沙淤積流速比較慢但不管怎麼樣 |
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因為這個中央地方的全責單位太多而泥沙淤積會有什麼樣的狀況其實就是我們淡水河兩岸的這個交通的一個部分就是過去一直都有所謂藍色公路那當然淡江大橋通車之後可能藍色公路的這個運載的人數可能會下降可是另外一個部分為什麼會特別也請交通部這邊來就是它未來也可以變成是北台灣很重要的一個觀光或是休憩的相關的轉型 |
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我覺得這就是好契機但泥沙預計要先解決所以署長能不能召集因為光一個淡水河您知道那周邊從岸邊岸上到河河海分河中間河旁邊都是不同單位在管理 |
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署長 報告委員在全省類似這種狀況其實蠻多的那只要是它涉及到防洪安全的部分是這個由我們水利署這邊會來統籌但是因為那一段因為它是在河口那邊對防洪安全沒有直接影響沒有直接影響但是對航道有影響所以在過去的做法會回歸到目的事業主管機關來做主政 |
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那一塊部分所以雖然是和尚可是那是算交通部回歸到事業單位啦看那個事業單位是誰那當然那一段可能就是以這個航道為主修長對這就是本席過去到現在這官員你看連交通部長交通部次長在後面你們兩個部位一個經濟部一個交通部也都在回歸了在台灣這一次的狀況真的很 |
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像很多漁港或者是說很多的來 但署長我請教一下淡水河河中間或是說那應該是算第十河川局管的吧是 那是我們管理的是來我去了解岸邊算高灘處然後呢這個河道 航道又算交通局可是它又有觀光相關的效益然後水利署又講說這是第十河川局的管理可是只要沒有涉及防洪又不歸第十河川局管 |
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那這樣就變成是說大家都有責任 可是大家都不管然後結果就是讓泥沙持續一擊嘛但我們現在這樣子好不好 署長面對問題 解決問題啊本席也不是說完全就是要水利署來做全權的負責但至少是不是能夠以中央部會因為你還是主管機關來邀集可以我們來邀集 來就這個問題但是可能還是將來會回歸到目的事業單位的一個概念 |
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不可能 就變成是說那個是 我們來邀請是沒有問題的來 那個次長 |
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市長那一條的部分就是我們所謂的這個兩岸的往返就是淡水河兩岸往返那就是藍色公路那總不可能說只有那一條歸而且現在地方政府交通局就推給業者就讓業者自己去處理那可是如果說那個泥沙淤積的狀況現實是由其他 |
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不可抗力因素或是天災或是說等等的部分來的泥沙淤積那你就變成是說這個燙手山芋還是丟給業者那就某種程度上無形當中你就是希望業者自然死亡自然淘汰他到時候沒有辦法無力清除那他可能他就沒有辦法經營可是對於我們整體觀光產業的發展來講它不會是一個好事啊是 |
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跟委員報告要經營如果要經營河川或是河上的觀光其實以往也有目前也有而且最近我也看到淡江大通車以後有些業者是在淡水沿岸招攬客人去看橋下是夜間的風光所以是有潛力那回過頭來講這個事業或是這個領域要去推動的話 |
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我是個人認為台北跟新北市的交通跟觀光單位要合作去思考一下如果要開放這樣的河運那他要輸運哪些甚至要清淤哪些河道因為採用的船不一樣會影響到他可否在某些地方靠岸第二個他的河道到底要輸進多深那這個會跟他採用的船型大小有關吃水深度有關 |
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沒錯 因為從大稻埕碼頭開始就一路沿河就會有不同的大小船隻不管是那種觀光的可以包遊艇的甚至小型的這種還是說比較通勤的那當然這個所以其實次長你也了解問題嘛你剛剛特別提到就是說台北市政府跟新北市政府嘛但更重要的是它是一個框框的議題所以本席才會就 |
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比較上位的一個角度來講是不是能夠請觀光署來召集兩市政府這邊來共同討論至少我們把它變成是一個package因為觀光客我們現在都期待是說有更多國外觀光客來到台灣那我覺得說這個未來真的是一個很有潛力啊甚至你看關渡大橋淡江大橋尤其淡江大橋這個是札哈迭的遺作所以說如果說能夠用這樣子的一個橋上橋下的風光然後讓這個觀光船能夠來走 |
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來兩個部分啦 因為主席已經站起來水利署剛剛已經有講是說會進行針對這個是 水利署可能他空氣要召開必要的清淤跟河道的促進是必要啦那至於要做多深或是能不能滿足觀光船的需求這個得跟交通兩個交通局跟觀光旅遊主管機關一起來討論所以那這樣是不是請交通部觀光署這邊至少你責成觀光署找兩市政府來針對這個怎麼樣來促進發展來開一個會 |
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了解然後水利署的部分就是針對我們剛剛講到的藍色公路的部分來去做再召集開會但是把相關的單位一起找來 |
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好 謝謝委員一個月內執行我們啟動這樣的討論 那請他們來協商好 那把相關的資料也再跟本席本席他會持續追好不好 因為我的個性就是這樣子但是有些時候難免一講再講但是如果說能夠解決問題 我想這才是最重要好嗎是 謝謝委員 拜託 謝謝好 謝謝何鵬凱委員 謝謝謝謝交通部跟這個接下來的話呢 我們請蔡春籌委員質詢 |
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主席好有請內政部吳常務次長還有行政院災害防災辦公室周副主任有請內政部跟行政院災害防辦兩位長官兩位官員好 |
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我要針對我們去年這個花蓮光護鄉馬太安塩塞湖潰壩成災民眾帶著產值直奔災區展現了臺灣社會強大的一個韌性還有同理心超人反映出臺灣民眾的一個人力 己力的一個同理心 |
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那在這一個災難發生的時候呢展現出高度的凝聚力還有付諸的一個精神這是台灣社會那個知首於偉大的地方那我要問兩位就關我這樣熱血就夠嗎 |
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應該是不夠吧這個謝謝委員的指教我想這個不管是政府或是部門或者是民間啦公私協力合作很重要對 好很好那所以熱血的背後呢它隱藏了很大的一個安全跟那個風險的管理啊 |
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所以呢這是專家在憂心的那我要請問就是說有大批切法專業的一個專輩跟災產的一個調度的經驗的這些熱心的志工還有善良的民眾湧入到我們的災期的時候那我們政府呢 單位呢不能啊我們未來是不是要能夠把這些很熱心的災民讓他紙質化 |
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然後能夠認證化跟政策化然後能夠避免這些熱情的民眾進入災區能夠把他們的風險降到最低我要請問兩位有什麼這樣的一個看法 |
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好 謝謝 我想特別謝謝委員提到這個部分那我想首先在去年馬太安那個煙射火事件之後其實我們在從行政院開始就從紀政委員這邊就第一時間我們就到前面去設置前進指揮所那剛剛委員所談到的這個部分的組織化的部分那第一個應該有兩個部分就是一個是中央跟地方政府如何去協作做一個災害前進指揮的一個調度 |
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好那這邊剛好你這個簡報上談到防災式的一個制度那也特別跟委員報告我們內政部從去年開始對於針對防災式的訓練的部分就是要養成民眾能夠在平常如果有具備一些防災自救的一些機能的話這個是很好那我們目前也有已經有將近13萬多人已經完成防災式的訓練那剛剛談到有關組織化的部分 |
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那我想這個不管是中央或地方政府這個是要互相協作那我想這我們都會來共同努力 |
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在這裡呢我想這個是公司必須要整合的啦那在這裡呢我要跟市長來做一個分享說真正的一個環災進步呢是要把這些傘兵有勇有勇氣的這些熱情的那個勇士們要透過政府的一個機制轉化為剛剛那個市長也有承諾了那在這裡我要跟 |
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市長分享 我們台灣民眾黨在過去一年多就已經培訓了超過250位的一個合格的防災室而且目前我們也在各個地方都在成立這樣的一個中心那我想這個就是民間跟政府共同來對於這樣的一個災難能夠做這樣的一個防範的精神因為這個 |
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氣候變遷呢 變成一個常態了那我們希望就是說在強化基層的一個防災的一個韌性呢我們希望我們未來能夠真正的走向這樣的一個制度化 自治化那最後呢 我也要跟那個市長交流就是禪師超人呢造出了台灣人的一個良善跟勇敢那也顯示了台灣在防災救災的一個體制上呢 |
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只有重視應變那清了制度那缺乏專業的一個直系所以這樣的問題我們不但應該要不應該澆洗這一股民間的這樣的一個熱血更要必須要透過政策 組織為這一群超人穿上安全的盔甲 |
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給他一個正確的一個調度跟一個執行讓個人的一個善良熱情還有轉換為國家的一個防災的一個韌性然後呢我也在這裡說我們不要再用生命來寫那個教材了那我們希望呢我們能夠做好一個危機的一個處理然後做一個危機的一個政策的一個配套讓每一次災害來的我們都能夠及時的來做 |
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沒有啦,我多久了 |
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謝謝主席是不是有請這個經濟部何次長請經濟部何次長委員好市長好市長昨天520賴總統公布這個關於千億中小微企業的支持方案主要目的是說這個讓傳統轉型能夠升級然後來串聯高科技的這個供應鏈然後另外要制定中小微企業 |
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這個轉型升級條例對不對然後呢透過這樣子再加入這個政府原先有大概每年100億徵稅中小微企業的補助那再投入1000億透過這樣子來讓整個方案能夠實施這是一個框架總統昨天宣布是一個框架但你要具體落實必須要靠法律跟預算編列對不對所以法律啊 |
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我們現在有中小企業發展條例那你要新訂一個所謂的中小企業轉型升級條例還是由現有的中小企業發展條例來做一些修法調整還是你要另外新設一個中小企業轉型升級條例 |
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是 謝委員的提問那確實現在已經有中小企業法案條例那我們會把總統跟院長指示的這個方向就現有的中小企業法案條例的內容的部分我們會做一個 |
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所以你不另新法你不另新法就有中小企業發展條例來做一個法律名稱的調整內容的調整我們可能會全部都把它融入融入到這整個對中小企業從發展到升級轉型這個部分我們會把它全部所以我必須確認不是另另訂新法是有中小企業發展條例來做一些調整 |
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如果條文牽涉到一半修正的話那你要趕快跟勞動部跟部發會因為這個會期非常長長到五邊季八月底接著又新的會期所以我當時候有時間很多這個拜託這個要協助中小企業發展 |
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總統提出一個框架跟方案你要落實先要通過條例 對不對不管你是這個總統先發條例來調整或者另定新法總要讓條例先通過之後才有法源依據你才能編列一千億預算一千億預算分幾年執行依照總統指示八年八年一年也增加了大概一百多億對不對加上原來的一百多億大概一年針對中小微企業大概提供將近三百億的預算 |
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所以你還要便利預算 對所以這部分你能不能過到一個時辰什麼時候大概可以所謂的這個法律可以送到立法院我們希望在下位期開一段時間我就告訴你這位期延長了很久很久我們沒有暑假 |
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我們會加快我們會加快包括勞動部 包括這個國發會 都是你們密集作業有 我們都一起在作業中當然還要經過行政院會嘛 對阿蘇立法院我就是這個我用最快速度啊法律案也還要經過預告的一個程序法律還要經過預告的程序所以目前規劃還是下個月要不然下個會期 |
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就是下個會議我們希望那你預算是在編列啊對 我們會一併提出來好 是好 這個問題到此那請那個國土署的我們蔡署長我很快請教您這個橋頭新市第三期它開發是不是具有急迫性 |
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跟我們報告他有急迫性為什麼急迫性因為最近那個喬克目前在二期的部分已經開發完成那廠商都已經進駐但是喬克的另外道路現在只有有勤路那一邊那所以基本上在東西巷的醫治藥道路目前完全都沒有開闢那未來喬克如果廠商進駐以後貨出不來整個交通 一定要進不去然後喬頭區的所有的里民市民也 |
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受到交通打劫衝擊對不對所以一支驗號道路有它的必要性跟急迫性這個道路開了 你是水利專家啦因為就在鄰近典堡溪會影響典堡溪下游這個防洪功能嗎跟委員報典堡溪本身它從上中下游的整個規劃我們過去幾年我們一起努力申請多少預算 大概二三十億吧 |
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二三十億油從上游 中游 下游全部包括滯洪池都已經規劃包括從水扇所以這一批件之後對整體點寶溪的防洪功能會不會造成影響目前我們在整個規劃上面其實都依照水利署這邊的出流管制來去做規劃因為你是專家 因為你是水利博士所以你講的是最專業的 |
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做任何政治判斷或者政策的評估啊一定要尊重專業所以您的意思是說111號道路P建不會影響到目前聯跑級的自理發問功能絕對不會好 好 請回謝謝 稍微休息一下再 還是一樣請何市長台電台水今天有來嗎水利署署長水利署而已 |
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治水防洪 未來高雄市 特別是高雄市的北區 北高雄它是S狼帶的後半段 從台南沙崙到這個鹿竹科學園區到這個小口科學園區 到南子產業園區變成世界半導體的一個設計中心或者製造中心所以它的這個戰略位置非常重要整個產業命脈就集中在北高雄所以不能發生缺水缺電或者淹水的問題 |
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所以你要針對包括陸屬科學園區 橋頭科學園區 男子產業園區針對這科學園區周遭 它可能會發生這個淹水的狀況 你們先提早做盤點預先規劃 不要讓任何淹水事情在整個重點的產業園區出現一淹墜 整個產能就會受到影響 整個供應鏈都會受到影響 |
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所以我要拜託水利署 是不是結合高雄市政府把重點產業園區 絕對不能發生淹水的事情這應該的 我們一起來努力所以你要先做盤點 是 一窟一窟來保護好誰昨天這裡 包括南牧區 包括這個橋頭 包括樓頂 |
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这些科学园区它有不同的水文有不同的水系所以你要确保不能发生淹水的问题这应该的我们过去跟蔡署长或者现在的蔡局长都是保持很密切的关联所以署长你有把握说没问题这个重点的半导体生产的园区不会发生淹水的问题是 应该的那这个再请教你缺水绝对万万不可 |
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我過去推動這個北高雄這個再生水廠10萬噸那以前是用零食的從台中裝過來的一天有10萬噸再生水再生水是可以喝的喔但是主要還是提供在產業用水那現在原先公開的地點當然民眾會有一些的意見這個如果10萬噸蓋不起來 |
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未來有沒有替代方案或者你到2030年之後或者整個進駐之後廠商進駐之後這個會不會有少於10萬噸的這個災源水會不會有缺水的問題跟委員報告其實這針對高雄的整體的供水我們事實上是竭盡所能去推動包含這個 |
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老農溪的浮流水跟現在這個愛寮溪的浮流水都在推老農溪浮流水即將要完整所以這10萬但是它整個供水也是在一起它會併到那個高坪堰這邊來串接所以也就是說事實上過去你那意思說再生水廠借不開也可以嗎沒有沒有沒有再生水廠是內政部在做啦齁那海水淡化廠你剛才談的是海水淡化廠嘛 |
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阿對對對 海淡廠 應該是海淡廠海淡廠跟鋼橋戰術水廠 依照委員的意見我們持續跟地方來溝通海淡廠的部分 你覺得還是要蓋嗎我們希望來蓋 但是地方就是要找地點因為這個對地方這邊有不同的聲音 我們持續溝通中但是在沒有之前 我們事實上是包含剛剛談到 |
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20萬噸的一個浮流水持續推動以外我們跟相關的台南跟屏東的珍珠串計畫的串接我們持續推動中因為有些這個海淡廠的水可以協助台南沙崙那邊沒有錯尤其是這個海域供水的一個一個概念對它不受氣候影響是非常重要的所以還是會蓋啦我們朝向來蓋的方向 |
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沒錯 立命地點是 謝謝委員 持續給我們協助那天我們現場經濟委員會考察阿公店新的景觀橋的部分有 那個已經納入市政府的評估裡面他只要提出來 我們會優先來辦我想委員的意見我們認為是相當重要而且是認為可行的好 謝謝 另外水利署我希望說你們在幾個月時間針對這個 |
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北高雄 除了這個科學園區之外甚至針對義煙水地區啊能夠有一些的熱區的一個建置比較高的營水你要有一個熱區的建置這些熱區你要提出每一個熱區的改善方案會預估的經費我們跟市政來共同研提三個會合不可以 |
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把這個清單列出來 針對這清單裡面的熱區你提出一些以舉舉方案我們來召集會議來研提電話也不能缺電 今天台電沒有來嗎 |
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你有來嗎 副總有來這個高雄供電的韌性一直在強化除了這個台風造成的這個大規模停電之外還有很多原因嘛 設備故障啊這個電纜的問題 設備的問題啊所以造成局部的停電我希望這個高雄市的北區 北高雄因為經濟上很多產業園區所以它的供電韌性要特別特別特別的強 |
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14338.101 |
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所以我希望說是不是經濟部在三個月能夠提出北高雄供電韌性的改善計畫讓這個局部停電或者大規模停電的這個狀況能夠減少這個 |
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沒有持續在座 我們提出來三個月之內可以嗎可以針對這些過去這個列表列給你看常常發生局部停電或大規模停電區域提供給你們做參考你們針對這些熱區 停電熱區能夠加強它的供電的韌性是可以好 謝謝次長 謝謝副總好 謝謝 |
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14374.585 |
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好我們謝謝邱志偉委員接下來的話我們有請賴世寶委員質詢謝謝主席有請內政部以及農業部的部長內政部的次長還有經濟部次長幾位責管理器好嗎好有請內政部農業部跟這個 |
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經濟部 臺委你好那個農業部長請問你你們變無人機變的預算變多少應該是兩億吧我記得不是兩億啦 什麼兩億什麼兩億 親家公公的我如果沒有記錯的話不過這個資訊我想我回去再確認再跟委員報告農業部 |
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其實有什麼2億呢內政部編多少內政部應該沒有到144委員好 我們內政部是編2億5千多萬你們整體編28億咧我報告的是那個無人載具的 |
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28億喔?農業部也是幾十億喔?我們編兩億多我們是幫你查一下我們查一下你28億喔?你可能不知道我們的無人機經費我們是總共要採購大概280我們是要依規範採購289架所以大概兩億多而且是用在國家公務員署警政校那個農業部的無人機用在哪裡? |
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我們最主要是在應用端包括從我們的那些無人機做航照以後就做地面判試做無人機的噴藥做無人機的巡檢就是噴農藥啦那個兩位市長就請回部長跟市長請回那個何市長接下來因為跟你經濟部很有關係 |
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無人機整個的發展現在我先提到一個機器人你們現在機器人要打造所謂的百億機器人這個很多人都提到這都是大陸的機器人 天牌啊這個比例高達七八成以上你們現在有沒有去了解這個東西這個目前的話我們是有一個無人機的 就是機器人的一個 |
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發展這個計畫那也是結合跨部會就是包括國科會包括數位部還有經濟部大家一起共同來執行那目前我們是在這個沙崙也有一個那個機器人的一個一個研發中心然後再跟你講你們機器人要5年內投入400億到產能中40億到500億來不管機器人或者無人機 |
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14555.996 |
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有一個很重要的概念有時候這個政府要推動叫非紅工運鏈那我們就看一下市佔率無人機的市佔率有時候是無人機跟機器人一起講 |
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市佔率大陸的大疆70%全世界第二名大陸的道通字母佔4%再過來12345第五名這個翱翔佔 |
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1.5% 再過來一航站1%前面你可以看喔它幾乎佔了75%到80%都是中國大陸的無人機啊那我們現在來講的話飛鴻供應鏈 |
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14606.352 |
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培養供應鏈其實你要避開大陸的關鍵民主圈不是很容易的事情喔市長你們具體怎麼做培養供應鏈怎麼做其實民主國家大概也都發現這個問題 |
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那其實這也是台灣的機會因為台灣現在其實我們從出口數據來看今年1到3月我們出口到波蘭或捷克這些國家的無人機的金額大概1.15億 |
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14637.701 |
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美金左右已經超過去年一整年的這個金額所以也就是說我們現在其實民主社體我們做得到嗎我們已經有一些核心的控制導航動力我們能做什麼通訊傳遞這個大陸很強啊 |
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我們都已經有盤點了所以我們現在針對台灣比較欠缺的技術缺口三輕二軟的部分這個部分我們又透過研發補助那也透過一些國際合作現在我跟你講外界不斷的質疑這一點就是我們的關鍵零件優先是跟國外買的可是買的它裡面也是沒錢啦 |
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所以正在擺脫非紅工你是一個一個猜嗎你怎麼做我就問你How to do it你怎麼做到確保我們的民主圈都是非紅當然我們定一個標準那我們這個無人機也成立一個那個海外商機聯盟時間到了你要進聯盟的廠商其實都是MIT的廠商而且他也可以有整機製造的能力我剛才給你數次了你再回過來 |
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這個全世界最多的是那個是這個中國大陸的我們再看第二張喔小陽我再跟你講喔有一個作法我現在告訴你這一張 |
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14740.492 |
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這是台營共同供應契約以前的中信局訓練用的單價3.4萬空拍用的25.2萬初階巡檢用的51萬高階巡檢用的63.6萬遠距街市用的111萬運輸用的135萬這個都是透過我們公家的台營的共同供應契約以前的中信局這樣子就可以確保 |
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14747.634 |
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真的你可以做到飛鴻供應鏈這個做法可以嗎 理事長跟我們報告工程會已經也制定了一個我們怎麼樣確保我們政府機關採購的這些無人機它是一個裡面有飛鴻供應鏈的這個產品所以定了一個指引所以未來我們在做公共工程這個公共採購的時候就各部位就要確保 |
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| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
14768.34 |
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你告訴我是不是未來都採取這個乾脆你經濟部要發展我們統統統一規範經濟部做八張桃你要來整個帶領產業發展是經濟部的事你們帶領 |
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| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
然後未來的對外採購都是用這種叫共同供應契約這樣子才能夠純度採購否則的話 我跟你打模標你做不到飛鴻供應鏈是 我們現在政府的採購就是朝著這個飛鴻供應鏈的這樣的一個要不要透過這個啦 |
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共同供應契約啦 我就問你這個題目啦是沒錯 百分之百喔 透過共同供應契約我就問你這一點 好不好否則你做不到 我敢打個票絕對做不到謝謝好 謝謝賴市長委員 謝謝經濟部接下來我們有請邱惠祿委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
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農業部長有請國土署署長有請農業部跟國土署委號是 部長跟署長好那我想我今天是想跟兩位請教大雨來襲如何治水的問題那我想上個禮拜花蓮縣的光復鄉就是大雨滂沱 |
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然後這個到處淹水形成一片水箱折裹的慘況那我希望我們政府官員面對這樣的一個慘況能夠發揮仁濟己濟仁逆己逆的精神那我這邊想要請教呢請教部長農業部長浮水接淹水的原因是什麼據我了解 |
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整個的淹水大概分兩個部分一個部分是那個去排水的部分那另外一個部分是當初的土體有沒有那個排水溝就是有一些淤積的部分大概分兩個部分好那請問一下淤積的泥土是從哪邊來淤積的泥土我相信應該是當初馬太安淹進去的時候這些泥沙 |
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是是是好那我想對沒錯罪魁禍首呢其實就是來自於這些馬太安溪潰堤然後呢帶過來的泥土那這些泥土又堆積在農田上面那大雨一來呢就把這些泥土沖進去排水道裡面所以造成這麼嚴重的淹水那我現在想請問呢到底這樣的淤泥呢因為總不能每次下雨的時候這些泥土完全都管不住嘛就跑到這個排水道裡面去 |
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那因為畢竟這個泥土的淤積的高度剛聽到有三四公尺甚至有高達五六公尺的那請問一下這個淤泥要怎麼處理我想淤泥的部分的清除我想很多相關的治理大概是中央跟地方一起合作 |
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是那其實剛才有些委員提供的簡報也看得出來現在政府這邊可能有一些進度需要去加強那有一部分在清淤的部分是水利署在處理的那以農業部來講我們是針對農田上面的一個復原讓他重新能夠種植理解那我們請要不要請國土署來說面 |
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跟委員報告那大概如果說是排水路周邊的這個泥土的話是我們會依照上次我們跟縣政府這邊現刊的那會把周邊排水路的一個淤土的話再往後面去清所以就是說我們會做一個比較緩衝的一個空間 |
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在這個我們既有的這個這是連外的涼田水路我了解我理解我了解就是不要我是覺得說當然有提到中央的責任縣市政府的責任那我覺得不要完全的把責任往縣市政府的方向推去因為縣市政府雖然他們是執行者但是中央其實也是一個監督者所以如果地方執行我們一直強調中央跟地方一起合作 |
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是是是 好 那我覺得這種相輔相成的態度我們樂見其成那我現在比較更想請教的就是說有沒有一些事前預防跟事後加強的一個動作出來因為我們知道桃園治水蠻有成效的那他們其實有一些事前定期的巡查跟定期的勤餘然後甚至會把這些結果公告在網路上讓大家公告周知了解狀況 |
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那如果對於一些比較容易這個淹水的熱點他們當下會加強巡查加強勤於不知道這個花蓮縣政府中央在監督上有沒有加強這一點 |
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跟委員報告我們大概這一兩個月大概跟縣政府去看過很多次不同的長官帶隊也有政務委員也有李孟岩顧問主要的問題就是我們現在已經跟縣政府 |
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確定好哪些地方在汛擠的時候一定要清的位置那另外就是剛剛我提到那個緩衝的部分會先做一個類似緩衝的濾帶第一地先讓他做沉砂要先讓他做沉砂那後續的管控就是縣政府他會依照他實際上的語量如果他真的緩衝到一個時間沒辦法的話他必須要去拉警戒線就是說這個部分也必須要去封堵這一些道路 |
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好了解我有看到中央在監督有在從你的話語當中有監督但可不可以給我們一些書面報告就是如何監督監督的時程跟力道可不可以呈現出來那一個兩個禮拜之後好吧兩個禮拜之後把這個報告交到我們這邊來那我工程會的那個副主委可以請請工程會副主委有來嗎 |
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那我可以跟副主委請教嗎阿桃木部落淹水的原因是什麼跟委員報告阿桃木那邊大概現在是那個內政部國土署那邊有補助那個花蓮縣政府那邊有四條縣管的排水那他會接到花蓮溪那因為那個工程我知道沒關係因為時間有限我直接破題 |
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因為行政顧問李孟彥他提到會那個淹水最主要的原因是因為那邊有個施工然後施工有個7公尺寬的一個出入口那結果呢溪流那個大雨就趁由這個施工的缺口就淹到阿桃木部落那這個我只是想問說7公分寬的出入口是一個標準作業嗎 |
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這是行政院顧問題的版本啦 答案的版本因為他那個是 那一段是在馬達納西的那個備水題那在訊息來前先用鋼板鋼板裝施作那他施作就是 沒關係 7公尺寬的出入口就是呈現在我們眼前嘛那淹水這個就是倒映 那現在倒映就7公尺寬出入口是標準作業嗎 |
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因為它是施工便當的出入口所以它是雨流讓積聚可以下去那現在問題是大雨滂沱嘛那難道都不需要做一些防護措施嗎我現在已經補起來當天縣政府不是啊 當天就沒有補嘛所以雨就是這樣子沖刷下去嘛造成水箱折磨的淹水有沒有人要負責 |
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7公尺寬是不是標準作業 顯然不是標準作業嘛 那誰要為這個疏失來負責這個施工便當沒有什麼標準作業 它只是說那邊有一個缺口因為它設計就480公尺那7公尺會不會太寬 然後遇到大雨來襲是不是要做一些防護措施當然出入口是必要的 否則怎麼進行施工 好 有沒有人要負責 |
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我想這個證實我還不知道說這個是要負責什麼啦 因為那個必須你還是要讓你七公尺寬是不是標準作業都回答不出來了然後呢要不要負責又好像有點推脫的態度好沒關係反正呢就交給這個我們的國人去評判你們的態度那現在就是未來還有十項工程要進行請問這樣的司空缺口七公尺寬的缺口還會再出現嗎因為我們怕相同的悲劇又再重演 |
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接下來有實相工程PPT上面有是是是是這個那個我想縣政府的這個單位跟施工廠商他們都已經知道這次的狀況啦所以我想大家會更加提高戒備啦好那沒有問題與其當前噩夢會不會重演來剛國土署副署長部長還有我們的副主委可不可以給我們掛保證 |
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雨季當前會不會惡夢再重演 水鄉澤國的慘劇會不會再重演來 3位 ABC 3位能不能給我們掛保證我要的是一個掛保證 因為沒有掛保證那裡的居民就會掛掉他們的財產就會掛掉 他們的心情就會掛掉說不定人命還會掛掉來 ABC 3個可不可以掛保證 |
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搶答看誰最先回答要保證什麼保證就是惡夢不會重演啊水箱折國淹水啊我講天然災害是一個不可預測的不是那可以人為的動作來做防護啊我們在以農業部來講我剛剛已經說過了官員要人羈己及人逆己逆總不論他們逆在那邊然後我們在這邊 |
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天然炸藥它的高度的不確定性 它的雨量沒有人能夠防止天災來臨但是可以做好防護措施防護措施做得好不好就是取決於行政官員有沒有用心的去處理採取移植措施所以好 沒關係時間到了我今天得到一個結論就是三個主管不敢下島政那我們就希望 |
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災情來的時候 居民不要掛掉我覺得你們那個保證淹水啊 水箱折火啊 淤泥跑到排水道啊七公尺高的瀑布口造成淹水的阻陰 這未來要怎麼反彈啊我對針對農業部負責任的說嘛我們一定是針對農庭的復育 我們會加速去做 |
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對 這個很單純啊所以你保證你可以做得好嗎 你就保證就好了你保證什麼嘛 保證什麼保證你的品質啊 你的施政品質啊我想整個農田的富裕它有不同的階段性的部分然後該給當地的地區的這些灌溉排水的清淤我們也已經做到了 你就說我100%可以做到保證我的施政品質好嘛施政品質我相信我們一定是盡我們的努力去做的 |
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那其他兩位呢?敢掛保證嗎?要不然我們花蓮的居民可能就會掛掉我們農業部長陳部長已經講很多了那我們大概就是做好最主的準備災害因為在那個極端氣候在那個大自然面前我們還是保持謙卑災害我們我想能夠做就盡量做但是我們的預警機制也要把它做好 |
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當然 預警機制就是取決於政府有沒有積極的雷厲風行的一個意思啦大家一起來把守護好自己的家園啦好不好是 好 來下一個國土署 |
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國土組這邊跟縣政府這邊有來合作就是確保既有的設施發揮它的防洪功能是是是所以這算是一種保證嗎好謝謝三位主管的保證保證你們會做好施政的品質那我們就期待汛期來的時候我們的水箱折果的情形不要說完全的根絕但是至少沒有像上個禮拜這麼淒慘好以上說明謝謝好謝謝邱議員謝謝各位 |
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接下來的話我請陳青龍委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝召委 謝謝主席我想我在這邊先邀請我們公共工程委員會我們的副主委 李副主委還有農業部的陳部長水利署的林署長我想就請農業部水利署跟公共工程委員會好 謝謝我想在這裡 |
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針對我們公共工程委員會真的非常辛苦啦 作為我們花蓮馬灘溪啊 彩虹顏色湖彩虹重建的主管機關是我們的公共工程委員會 那真的非常辛苦 重建湖源之路 |
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是非常前行的但是我在執行之前還是有一個肯定就是整個我們的一個重建復原的進度我們在我們公共工程委員會我們的網路我們的專區裡面隨時可以看到我們所有重建的一個進度 |
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那也看到我們重建的進度我們也才能夠了解所以現在的進度我們是憂心忡忡啦那我想問言雨水 |
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水利的一個建設就變成一個最重要的一個關鍵關鍵那我們就是重建特別條例我們給的一個特別預算總共有270億那當然我們現在中用的金額是255億 |
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那有關於在經濟部所屬我們所屬的水利工程佔了將近100億就是98.9億將近100億那這100億最重要是來做 |
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我們的水利工程就是提防等等那我們看我們的進度好像昨天應該到今天我們的工程執勤率是35.31%這代表進度還在完成發包這個動工 |
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只有一個階段而已工程等於準備在進行當中而已那其中這邊還有內政部的應該是我們國土署這邊他是負責我們的排水排水的一個工程執勤率更低到現在 |
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到今天為止才2.5%整個決標的過程你看都是4月等於上個月才在決標那有些可能都還沒有開始在動工從這個過程當中我們就看到我們的效率 |
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我們的復原我們的一個重建最重要的就是效力我們要跟時間賽跑那你看5月15號我們一場午後的大雨整個就淹水就是代表我們跟時間賽跑我們可能跑輸了會跑輸我們剛剛部長有講 |
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對大自然我們要謙卑我們非常的謙卑但是為了人民的一個障礙我們一定要跟時間賽跑所以在這裡我也來懇託也來要求我們的水利署我們的國土署這樣的一個速度工程的一個進度我們是不是可以來加緊加快雖然啊 |
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我們的一個條例啊 有關這樣的工程可以到100應該119年齁 才整個工程結束嘛 對不對等於還有三年的時間 但是啊 署長這12年齁 我們碰到興起啊我們管護鄉 萬榮 鳳林 這些鄉親啊 |
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還要看天公伯你知道嗎所以這三年的時間我們希望能夠繼續縮短好不好經濟部水利署這邊有沒有把握有把握內政部國土理事這邊可以吧 |
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好 我剛剛沒有請你上台 應該一起好 我們請問 這個時間可以來加緊好 我們先請回座那接下來 我想災後的護人最重要就是我們的農業 農業的重點在我們的農業鋪 |
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我們在這邊變成有兩塊一個就是我們的重災區的部分另外一個是一般受災的一個農地 |
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那仲裁區有將近170公頃那一般仲裁區有383公頃總共有將近550公頃的左右要做農地的一個戶建那我看我們的資料還有我們的報告最主要仲裁區的環境重建一個就是把農民的土地買回來嘛我們叫做農民賣地我們買地嘛 |
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第二個方案就是榮民希望把這個土地保留我們用補助照領的一個方案那在這裡我們看到的我們要要架構要協議架構這些榮民的土地我們要在今年的7月才能夠完成市價的查估 |
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我們的一個標準是要以債券市場正常的交易價格來超明把這個協議來既然我們有特別條例那我們用協議架構這個方式來執行又要以市場的正常交易價格我問部長何謂 |
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災前市場的正常交易價格不過我跟委員報告就是說我們在這次協議架構的部分一定是用 |
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就是災前在這個地區他相關的土地的交易的一個市價的一個值讓作一個標準所以我們現在正在請專門人去做相關的一個查顧的工作我要幫你查一下簡單的市價整路都有 認證部的都有災前的土地價格我這個是非獨土地所以已經幫你查了一坪從一千塊九百多塊到一坪兩萬多塊都有 |
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所以在進行我們將近有500多筆的這樣的一個種採取土地我想那個市價的價格差異度非常高那目前我們在協議的價格我看資料的報告都在3000塊左右所以這部分將有基礎性 |
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就要讓農民的權益才要把土地給我們政府來買究竟多少價格既然是協議架構我希望是從優從高這個原則 |
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應該要以以來不為農民來考慮吧以農業不為農民我們一定會確保農民的這些權益齁那因為市價的茶菇在不同的地段當然它的價格不一樣你沒有什麼茶菇你才是委託專業的國家公司嗎然後我們是請求委託專業的不是我們自己去茶菇喔 |
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所以我知道委託專業的股價所以未來委託是拉一次的多少錢一定也可能會變成我跟你講這個有公告地價拉一個市場的實價等率我想說這一部分委託專業查股我希望從高 |
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客廈入管 農民入管 你們的好經濟是很重要的第二個就是造林的部分 造林的部分 金額每公頃 兩年 農政高農年利60萬 |
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这一个部分我觉得我们现在在百业要求法这个公告也办理说明会这一个部分如果你知道你要成功我觉得既然是已经有经费有特别预算了 |
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照領的部分是不是也可以來增加對這些農民他的土地都留在這他就不管你不會土地給我們建屋我們要配合照領這樣的一個補助的一個金額我們也期待能夠演繹既然我們法制作業要做也是從優從高這樣有機會嗎 |
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不過我想針對造林的部分,我們現在是兩億六十萬嘛但是委員所爭取的這個部分,我想我們可以在後面的查估的金額完了以後,我們會同步來考量因為農民不願意賣地,我們也可以有比較好的優惠的一些條件讓他造林這個部分我們可以來討論董經緒,相信你農業出身的啦造林的成效好不好,大家心裡有底 |
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大水沖浪那種土基本上沒辦法農作沒辦法造林都很困難所以你一般收財區你還你才會去講說要做土壤的改良嘛所以整個都要重新來處理嘛所以這部分造林的架構我希望好久如部長剛剛所談的年年六十萬然後我們根據我們的查顧物根據我們的法制作業能夠實質的 |
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對 我們會跟對查顧跟後面的人會做一個比較好的一個平衡好 那我們這次我們召委非常用心也到縣地去辦理我們的考察我們有看到我們這麼多農民的一個反應包括戶工補助 |
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包括他們正義的這個所謂融建容積聚就容積聚的補助啊這個部分的一個認定就是應該嘛我想我們稍微就知道怪罪啊怪罪我們不可以報仇以為它是雲建積聚不是容積聚但是我們在一般啊你們來做一般的一個 |
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呼籲你們要委託專業的廠商你們有一個農業生產環境重建專案嘛其實就是說 要把他們整理的農田 貴手沒去賣是沒辦法的 |
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是不是部長這你也了解嘛所以不然你不會去說我們有一個農業生產環境的重建專案要委託專業的廠商協助農民整理受災的農地在這裡所有的專業團隊我請問部長看怪獸的他做產的做農的他要轉到哪裡他是怪獸的專業 |
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我跟委員報告喔就是怪手會進去最主要是讓土壤翻跟做土壤的改良嘛完了以後才會有開始有做種植的一個區塊我要跟你講這個忽遠這個陣地就垂涉到 |
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你的所謂專業團隊就是這裡的怪獸啊跟公民之間的溝通啊之間的溝通我們改良團就當作一個人工的幫忙你說我要說的專業團隊是怪獸啊 |
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專業跟農民的專業這個彼此會有關聯溝通問題這個問題很嚴重你敢來威脅所謂的專業團隊怪獸警察在這邊我要幫農民講話其實應該看政府去研究 |
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這個地方真的需要怪獸今天的農民他提出了把怪獸視為農機具我們來補充讓我農民 欸 他們那一陣子農民都很討厭 |
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鬼怪事啊 自己都會啊讓他們知道要怎麼自己的土地怎麼來護原怎麼來護根我覺得這個部分你們要真正的尊重聽在地農民的意見以後那個衝突會很嚴重我跟委員報告齁 就是一般農業在 |
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從事農耕的時候如果需要怪獸一定是委託別人來幫忙因為開怪獸也不是現在人家都會開的所以我們在專業的部分一定跟農民做好溝通怎麼樣去做整個這個部分我們改良廠的人就全部會同在這個部分能夠互耕互援這個部分這個是關鍵我在這邊還是強調互援的進度我們不要拆 |
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再說 時間啊 是我們最重要的一個因素 好不好這邊還是跟農業部講 農業的這一個護人 護根就是生命啊 收回在民地啊 具有衛生的一個土地不管人家要買 還是要保留 人家要幫忙一切都用 要跟時間來賽跑 這樣好不好 |
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好,謝謝委員提醒,我想我們會很努力的去做好,謝謝,謝謝補教,謝謝好,我們謝謝陳清榮總召,好,謝謝蕾伯接下來我們請這一個傅坤祺總召質詢 |
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首先謝謝洪義祥召委今天來排定這個馬太安溪重建相關的事務進度了解讓國人能夠更加的清楚謝謝我們首先是不是先請內政部跟農業部請內政部跟農業部部長還有內政部次長委員好委員好 |
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請問一下這個內政部花蓮縣的面積是全國土地面積最大4600平方公里在台灣的八分之一現在目前我們打火兄弟這個消防目前的編制只有420人要負責整個 |
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4600平方公里這麼大的一個面積包括打火包括救災包括山難包括水災有任何需要救難的地方都可以看到我們打火弟兄的身影但是目前編制的員額420人地方政府也準備好了相關的預算但是目前只有實際只有368人這52人啊 |
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是不是能夠在今年把它補足 |
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好 謝謝昭緯的推詢我想目前全國的消防員額的部分大部分有些都沒有補足那我們在每年的考試分發的部分我們都會優先來做調整也會針對幾個縣市政府的員額的需求我們這邊都會請消防署這邊來做調整你這是概括的說法 本席在請教你全國面積最大的地方4600平方公里只有420人的編制 |
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這樣子內政部都不能補足應該要盡快補足啊你不是在用這種官宣的方式我們怎麼不知道你們就是各縣市區分配本席在問420人這個問題問很多次了什麼時候可以補足委員是不是容我再請消防署來做一下說明 |
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那消防署在那個人員的禁用的部分這部分他因為他有一定的那個培訓就是警專警大這部分的培訓他有一定的一個實現那另外在短期內需要去補充這個人力當然就是要靠我們現在的一個義消以及志工那今天的主題是針對這個水災或颱風災害的這個問題那這個部分的話 |
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志工在上一次去年的那個馬太安溪的這個堰塞湖的災例中其實他是解決人力問題的問題所以我們現在就是說第一個在這方法的部分修法在地方每一個鄉鎮市有協作中心那用運用的人力來源志工的部分就是加以培訓也就是防災室那另外還有加一些等於說替代役等等 |
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地方公所以及村裡這個部分會有充分的人力去執行這樣子的一個水災的工作那從根本的來解決那這部分在修法那另外每一個鄉鎮每一個村裡目前都有編列預算在做補助那以上簡要的報告所以還是沒有回答本席的問題嘛地方打火弟兄有義消這個鳳凰志工復宣還有巡守 |
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議警民防通通都有但這不是正式的編制原則啊24小時要上班的啊你半夜要找誰啊你們這麼大一個部這麼大一個署這問題是今天發生的嗎已經多久了不能永遠用這種官司說法你們要搶到民國110年120年130年還是用這種說法4600平方公里 |
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只有420人內政部第一大部你們到現在這個事情都辦不好講了一堆官宣在講什麼本席聽不懂喔你們針對本席的問題書面立刻回覆本席 |
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了解了嗎是沒有問題 我們相鎖回去會把這個部分用專順的報告 按照陳柯委員解決問題不是丟一張S的紙給我那怎麼解決 要告訴本席請回很簡單的問題嘛很簡單的問題嘛 氣氛不要搞這樣嘛還在這邊跟我講官司說法 |
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本席看這邊看了三十幾年還需要這樣跟我回答嗎我們今天盡量針對問題回答問題來陳部長請問題我們就快問快答了好不好 |
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現在淹沒土地的徵收有架構 有一地一地架構的部分都會盡量以實際的價格不要讓民間覺得受了災難之後還要再受土地徵收的損失 |
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這個部分可以明確做到嗎我想我們也是朝這個方向就是說協議架構的方向是用不著對請你承諾不要在這方面的民怨盡快完成可不可以對我們會照這個進度像7月查過完了以後我們大概年底之前會完成這整個的一個徵收的部分如果他願意的話好不要有民怨可以嗎我們一定持續的在溝通希望大家能夠滿意媒合的部分 |
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什麼時候可以梅核完成梅核的部分現在我們跟台南的地跟國產組織比現在的梅核的部分一個很大的問題就是我們現在所掌握的地跟馬太安的區域有交通上的一個問題啦所以雖然說找到地以後他不一定會過去但是我們看看還有沒有其他的誘因是可以讓他們願意到其他的地方去其他的誘因就是農業部可以給他相關的輔導 |
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整個配套的措施畢竟他原有的土地光復那個地方的土地原本就不是肥沃所以農民 農友已經花了很多的時間做土壤的改良才能夠耕作現在換一塊新的土地要重新再來做整個土壤的整個要花很多時間你講的這個我們絕對可以協助的好 |
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那架構的部分年底前完成梅河的部分是不收給完成923之前可以完成嗎不是 梅河的部分就是我們會有像您剛才說的這些異地的部分如果需要這些土壤改良我們會來協助他也甚至於不需要出錢我們來協助但是畢竟還是要願意進來啦我剛才說的那個交通的問題可能要做一些一些想辦法解決部長給你這麼多的預算好不好你手握這麼大的空氣這麼大的資源 |
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如何如何在你的本業啊你的專業裡面去跟農民溝通我想這是很重要的工作盡快來完成好那另外啊對於這次擴大整個堤防徵收的這個範圍啊包括這些農林漁牧等等啊請務必啊要用市價來徵收啊本期再強調一次他現有的財產剛剛蓋好 |
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農林漁牧在那裡本來地方就業就少已經在那裡投資 已經在那裡剛剛起步要生根 建制完畢突然收到一紙公文說要相關的那些土地要被徵收所以我想啊 部長你應該跟共工程委員會 |
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內政部相關的部會到地方去再做一支很清楚的座談把這些民怨再排除不是快閃我們真正要解決問題也不是去過以後提出了80個100個問題然後回來再一個官宣給他們這樣是不行的我們希望說很務實的來解決現在的民困 |
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部長可以排個時間跟內政部還有這個工程會 |
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一起到災區去我想我們一定非常樂意在災區聽取農民的聲音然後第二個部分就是我們現在做相關的茶菇也是用市價去茶菇我如果不用市價的話我就用公告地價馬上就可以解決了所以我們一定是確保農民的權益的前提公告地價這不是喊口號對嘛所以我們用市價去茶菇市價茶菇但是市價要真正是符合市價現在不是土地的部分而已 |
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還有地上物的部分這個就是我們委託專業團隊去查過而不是我們自己人去還有地上物今天增值最大的很多都是地上物再過來我們那個下游的部分鳳林相關這些西瓜的瓜農鳳林的西瓜叫做國宴瓜國宴瓜是台灣品質最特優的地方 |
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現在這些被這個土地 核酸區不予承輸以後這些瓜農可能轉做的部分要請農業部能夠給他們做一個專案的輔導 可以嗎 |
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輔導是可以的但是因為現在工地的部分因為河川的部分可能不再適合去種這個西瓜那我們後續看看用什麼樣的方式能夠協助說他在其他的地方能夠從事他的本業西瓜業或是改種其他的作物我想這個我們會來專門輔導好接下來就是萬榮鄉就是除了光復以外包括萬榮也有很多的種摘區這個覆蓋土有50公分以上的 |
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這個部長你現在處理的方式為何我們基本上在我們分兩個部分50公分以下我們又分20跟50 20可以馬上立即復耕的部分我們會協助然後50公分需要整地怪手間去整地那50公分以上的我們現在目標大概100將近160公頃左右我們是希望他能夠變成一個造林區不管是協議架構或者是是相關的這些這些造林 |
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但是如果他沒讓那麼高他可能是60公分或50公分我們也願意用更好的方式去輔導他去做一些逐步的土壤改良這些盡快以書面回復本席同時到地方再辦一個座談因為當天這個部長你沒有去這個現場災區這次經濟委員會去大概陳部長比較忙沒有去 |
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本席現在跟您詢問的都是當天地方災民所提出來的問題要盡快去處理我們一直在協助我們的農民包括我們的團隊包括改良黨的團隊怎麼樣讓他願意種的話我就直接協助他們馬上就8個月了後天就8個月了8個月了盡快讓農民知道何去何從 |
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再过来县农会被征收了20公顷的土地包括先堆置些的这些站制土啊等等我想这个部分啊县农会正是平常在支持农民在辅导农民的在地方第一线跟农民啊常年在合作的常年在支持农民的 |
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所以呢征收的方式還是以地易地這個陳部長給他們多一點的選擇可以嗎 |
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不過這個部分我想我們會在這個整個的一個馬太安專案會議裡面去把它提出來那因為它被徵收的當初的一個目的那是不是一個臨時性的還是永久性的被徵收如果是永久性被徵收的話以我們對農業的輔導的話我們一定會想辦法去讓它還有其他的地能夠持續去做農會的一個營運 |
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部長的意思如果是暫時性的話暫時性相關的補貼的費用也要講清楚對所以我說要在因為如果是永久性的徵收的話地方的農會是希望能夠以地一地他們能夠繼續的從事相關的對以農業部對於農會的輔導我們一定會主動的去協助他找到相關的地這個陳部長本席還是要再一次的提醒你 |
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在之前的四方會議裡面有一再提到當驗射服務發生一流還是潰壩的時候要儘快釋放海嘯警報貴部完全沒有釋放黃金的逃難40分鐘就此消失台灣多地震未來還有多少驗射服務會發生我們不曉得但是一個完整的機制要盡快建立 |
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預警的警報系統要盡快建立部長可以嗎我們現在已經在重新去處理包括驗射壺現在因為只有5000萬噸但是相對的它兩邊的土石有可能成了新的驗射壺所以我們也匡列了不同的情境之下所跟縣政府做避難計畫的一個設計跟演練那這個部分就是會再跟地方政府去做加強的一個溝通包括演練的部分 |
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演練當然要來進行但是所有相關的預制等等行政院在防中心要做一個完整的配套不是不是撤離697人預制的軍卡跟兵力跟撤離8600人中央沒有增加一部軍卡沒有增加應援兵力同樣的能量叫鄉鎮公所執行單位要怎麼來進行 |
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這以後可以慢慢檢討啦本席是提醒你啦四方會議都有錄音的啦也有會議紀錄但你們沒有做我覺得這個沒問題另外現在調查局在調查法院在調查我覺得可以尊重這個都很清楚本席現在就提醒你悲劇不要再上演還有很重要的不是剛剛講的幾千萬噸在旁邊上面還有2.4億萬方 |
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4億噸的沙土在上游部長請回請交通部經濟部委員好這個交通部市長好這個現在整個光復鄉的重建 |
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這個觀光的推展請問一下交通部到底有什麼因應作為你們讓本席知道一下全觀光部的鄉親 中區的鄉親都很好奇我們交通部到底做了什麼觀光署到底做了什麼是不是跟全國國人講一下 |
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觀光的部分我們就是還是去輔導當地那第二個呢可能會來推動國旅的部分來振興未來可能喔所以從去年9月23號你們睡覺睡到現在未來可能 |
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報告委員 這個因為是新興計劃所以預算的部分可能要等115年的預算核定後才能處理這可不可以115年預算不要鬼扯嘛本身好心好意來跟你談不要再用這種清涼式的亂講我跟委員報告 那個有幾個 公共署的預算這麼多有幾個公共署的 三百億的預算在那裡 |
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原則上光屬會推動授風還有復禮還有御禮幾個地方的這個縱鼓以及相關的這個觀光推展活動 |
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那這個後續我是不是把資料再給您 因為有好多件謝謝 是但是本席請教的不是受封御禮婦禮本席請教的是萬榮鳳林光復災區的觀光的重建貴部有什麼積極作為 |
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本席國語說得不清楚嗎謝謝委員那個萬榮的部分他有縱谷的相關的部落旅行的推展那山谷音樂會大概也會在蒙古木魚辦理所以有相關的活動在推動中部長不是 次長是請你們陳部長非專業也不認真的部長 |
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政治掛帥的陳部長盡快到災區去看一看災區現在觀光是什麼樣子陳部長如果還是很忙有授權您的話請你盡快過去跟工工程委會一起過去可以嗎是好 謝謝經濟部經濟部請問一下 |
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對於光復鄉的產業振興有哪些積極作為有哪些成效八個月了是 產業振興的部分其實我們對商圈對市場的部分其實市場那個供給零售市場的修復也已經完成了那商圈的部分我們也會辦一些行銷活動那當然也結合什麼時候要辦五月份 好像應該下禮拜就有辦一些行銷的活動 |
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我這麼巧本席今天下禮拜要辦了可以公告一下嗎可以可以可以沒問題最好每個月辦好不好要有成效要有成效好不好經濟部會有這麼龐大的資源你們跟交通部觀光署應該一起合作嘛找國內的旅行者國旅嘛 |
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看怎麼樣大家做一個完整的配套有什麼優惠的措施讓更多人走進去嘛 一起來關心嘛是可以嗎 可以可以的現在有310的預算給您使用 好不好好另外經濟部啊在這裡啊 真的要交通部 經濟部 好 |
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那個工程會工程會工程會工程會跟經濟部一起好不好謝謝今天是副主委來嗎是嗎對副主委中部副主工程會的副主委周勛元副主委是不是 |
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工程委員 李毅德副主委這個副主委請教一下現在副主委你現在已經是幾乎是行政院的層級你現在是副院長的層級曾經的主委現在是院長的層級因為過去不管是莫拉克風災 |
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88水災還是921大地震重建委員會都是行政院院長來擔任現在不曉得卓鴻胎院長在忙什麼然後請這個工工程委員會來擔任這個重建委員會的主任委員陳金德先生擔任代行這個行政院長相關的工作所以 |
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縱向 你沒有縱向 你是最高指導對下面這些各部會啊還有地方政府鄉鎮公所整個重建啊要請這個副主委啊能夠啊盡可能我們李毅德副主委拜託你們能夠全力的投入第一個問題現在這麼多的這麼多的清出來的這些沙土在那裡 |
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要請問要如何去化 |
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要如何去化?跟委員報告啦齁那當然這個新出的商品我們已經開過一次會囉是是是我們在四月份有跟那個委員開過一次會啦齁那現在大概幾個方向也都在進行當中第一個當然就是說我們一些土砂就是限地的工程就是可以做填方來使用啦齁那第二個當然就是去加大那個整個盤點的量能來擴大那個東砂北運的這樣的一個量能 |
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那第三部分呢我們大概還現在也在盤其他的比如說我們在花蓮沿海這邊有一些海岸的沖濕地區是不是可以就近的去做這個填足這也在評估當中那所以我們大概會有這些方式來做那有一些齁有一些就是像比如說農業種摘區這個他可能就是就地我們看是有土方流失在那邊多少然後重新做一個高層的重新的重抓 |
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讓農業部去做一個整體規劃重裝之後那個整個水路跟道路就一併再重新來規劃設計但是這個過程中的話我們大概還是會有一些權宜的這些措施來確保當地的地區能夠比較不容易自災啦謝謝副主委你們現在所做的相關的規劃但是現在還是暫置在光復鄉 |
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你們目前還是暫置不管暫置在河床裡面也好暫置在台塘土地也好目前都還在暫置現在防汛期到了本席在這裡特別提醒一場大雨來地方政府好不容易把水溝清一清好一場大雨來又到水溝裡去 |
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這個重複這樣的循環你們終究解決的辦法應該很積極的拿出來本席上次你請教過你們可以去詢問到底從各種溪流下來的這些砂石一般是流到太平洋去就是流到太平洋去為什麼我們這些清出來未來幾千萬噸的這些砂土能不能直接 |
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倒是在太平洋裡面 把它清乾淨以後倒是在太平洋這個比較複雜一點 需要再詳細評估因為畢竟他有路程 他不是說太平洋就在旁邊太平洋就在旁邊不是 但是你從因為到花蓮港你從現在鳳林這邊再沿著花蓮溪只有40公里你這個回答我不滿意喔 |
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我跟委員報告不是在否定委員現在提出來的想法但是任何的想法不是你不能否定嘛因為你不能打嘴炮嘛你如果不搬出來要搬到哪裡去呢跟委員報告就不是打嘴炮所以才會講得比較大聲你才需要詳細評估嘛詳細評估要到什麼時候現在那邊不斷在惡性循環你沒有看到嗎 |
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我想這個有階段性的處理方式我們當然是以不要再讓這個我們現在在處理過程當中產生的這些土砂然後去影響再造成第二次傷害嘛那可是第一個還是要先把那個現在去的話不管是送到西部也好還是送到水泥廠也好還是送到哪裡去也好路程都是一樣你都一定要出來最近的地方叫花蓮港 |
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對不對還有什麼路程的問題你不敢去那裡除了就地你們所謂的超級堤防超級堤防你們堤防越蓋越高進一步十年不輸菌馬達因西幾年沒有輸菌進一步幾年沒有輸菌 |
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還要回憶喔包委員你們都有公告啊幾年沒有回憶我們其實在馬太安都有定期跟縣政府我們也有輸不要去扯其他單位啦主管單位是你啦有我們都有共同在輸菌九合區水利署幾年沒有輸菌回答本席的問題不用牽扯不用牽扯那麼多我們其實去年都還有在輸菌啊去年什麼時候去年什麼時候五月六月你們有公告嗎我們都有輸啊 |
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去沒有公告公告在哪裡 本席掉了你多少資料出來我跟委員報告我們最主要我現在告訴政告經濟部不要老是在這裡嘴硬到去年5月 你說準備輸菌2016年到2025年那你們在幹嘛荷草比綠面高9年不輸菌 |
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草菅人命 罔顧地方的安全體防拼命加高這就是水利署啊 這樣子排水啊光復附近有多少條溪啊可以越加越高就可以嗎10年不輸菌現在加高體防就好你們常年每年都做 今天有這個問題嗎水利署我回去了 |
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所以經濟部,全部剛剛農業部講的,現在司法調查中本席尊重但是你們所有的肅靜都有公告,你們自己回去看一下不是現在後面可以偷改偷加的啦十年荒廢,造成這麼大的災難 |
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到現在還是經濟部本期實在是碰到你們經濟部剛剛大家一直在講這個表不要了大家一直在講說淹水5月15號又來了公共城委員會很厲害馬上就講地方政府地方政府 |
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所以沒有做好水淹進來那我請教一下那個工程會副主委你先請他們哪個部分有問題我想這個是在那個就是剛剛有提到就是有一個那個縣管河川那個被水堤的工程因為他設計就是480公尺可是有一個大概幾公尺施工變道下去那剛好那天的狀況 |
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就是可能在那個溪盤那邊第一個他沒有水位監測器那再來就是那間的雨量比較驟降下來所以他就從那個便道整個整個那個開口啊就跑出去你是副主委耶你到今天還在講故事啊整個過程你還不清楚啊水從哪裡來的 |
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雨量集中在那個地方 它就上面這樣過去然後水的水勢比較高就滲進去現在我的施工便當是在上游欸喔沒有 就是在上面這邊 是上游啊不是上游 這是在上游淹過去啊它是回灌回來的 從哪裡回灌的從哪裡回灌的 應該是花蓮溪那裡啦它是接花蓮溪啦 |
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馬達納西來來來馬達納西接花蓮西看一下下一張下一張再來北溪要讓你了解這個是九合群施工的變道他的寒管就堵住了堵住了最後水回堵回去 |
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所以回讀回去報告委員這個事實上是去年在應該是這不是最近的照片啦我們事實上完成以後的這些情況有閘門最後挖開是誰去挖的 |
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我們後來已經有做一個閘門在那邊,而且我們閘門都有閘門有沒有堵住?沒有,我們有影片,我們有影片我們這次影片,影片送給本席是,影片可以給你看,就是說他的排水是順暢的沒關係,本席也會再找你,是沒有問題最後旁邊土是誰挖開的?不用挖,排水自然 |
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這個原來是個開口題吧委員談的是開口題我們後來把它改成了雜門沒有關係 今天委員會本席會跟你長相左右齁是沒有問題我們都可以提供資料影片盡快衝過來還有經濟部本席再提醒你一下齁你們所有的影片齁很好趕快提供本席啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
18284.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
不只有錄音還有會議記錄四方去年8月11號千交代萬交代經濟部要把兩個開口笛補起來前年李康瑞台風就是從那裡驗到佛祖街前年11月嚴果一次去年要你們補那兩個開口笛還是不補還是從那裡進來 |
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這不只有會議紀錄還有錄音 通通都有你們到時候一個司法單位講吧好 再過來現在工程會 我要請教一下我們現在300億第一期變成270億270億裡面發包了255億嘛 對不對還有15億的預備金嘛後續還有30億嘛 |
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因為啊現在還初步就還有45億可以用是不是可以把這45億請工程會也不是主管機關盡快到地方去跟地方來座談可以嗎 |
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對於災民救助的部分跟委員報告 災民救助的部分我們是每天一到五都有同事進駐在那邊但是民運現在聲音這麼大嘛一直沒有解決嘛一直沒有解決嘛我想跟委員報告一下啦因為那個馬太西這部分因為現在水利署正在規劃就是馬太西北岸萬榮那部分因為想說讓他保護的更完善一點所以有考慮要徵收取得馬太西北岸大概400公頃的這些土地 |
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那如果把這個東西定案規劃算進去之後其實我們不管是剩下30億再加上預備金現在也沒有到剩下那個15億加進去它其實經費還會短缺我忘記大概有十幾億30億還是40億的短缺的金額短缺可以向立法院提出來可是這樣就會超過我就是說300億去算的話我們條例不是不能改啊 |
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賴總統不是說條例不夠可以再加條例嗎我只是如實跟委員報告現在這個狀況我們也是如實照賴總統講的告訴你不是嗎我是說剩下的30億救他就完整的把他救完嘛我們就盡量把他救完不夠錢的話我們再來想辦法地方的民怨要趕快解決另外現在整個施工整個重建的進度 |
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你們跟不管是現在250億的部分中央執行是多少金額是多少 |
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各位報告我現在手上沒有中央跟地方分別執行的金額不過大概就是很多計畫就是在軌道上在進行大概八成七成多八成中央執行就是各部位子把它單起來在做然後地方的話大概三成多有沒有四成我不曉得兩成多三成現在是多少沒關係沒關係 |
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我們現在持續來追蹤列管啦 進度上追蹤列管 很好請追蹤列管啦 既然副主委說追蹤列管你們就要保持每一天都要密切的聯繫是 會的 一定會有那你們的這個質詢力啊你們在經費支付的進度 |
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經費支付的進度交給鄉村公所還有這個縣政府大概現在給付的金額大概多少如果他有有有核銷來請款的話就是有些是有就是一定是馬上給啊沒有任何拖欠的問題他什麼樣可以來請款 |
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有些是已經預撥下去了吧直接撥了啊 都直接撥了啊比如說像那個內政部補助縣政府做的那些不管是清淤啊 還是排水啦還是說那個道路的這些工程啊 或者是說你們什麼時候撥款的什麼時候撥款的不是都有撥嗎撥款的進度啊 撥款的進度啊計劃核定嘛 啊他要請款嘛他沒來 縣府只要來請款就會進度核定啦你們錢都撥了什麼 還沒有來請款 |
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有些是先撥了嘛很多撥了啦很多還沒有來請啦請款之前要做哪些工作要核銷啊要核銷對不對要發包對不對他發包要核銷然後他反正就核實了看是階段到所以這是有一個前置的一個進度在那裡嘛對不對啊你們下一張 |
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這個東西是根本現在你們已經撥款了然後你們這個數字也不去調整跟地方政府也沒有做好一個聯繫的工作不要把這個錯誤的圖卡還放在你們那裡地方政府依照設計規劃發包決標然後錢還要送議會審查通過才會跟你們請款對不對什麼打這個鈴 |
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18628.117 |
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數字趕快調整你們幾付的錢都已經下去了數字趕快調整我們何時來更新啦要更新不要再給側翼來這裡詐問詐答不要演這種戲做到哪裡我們就做到哪裡胡適庭不要在這邊唱戲救災就認真一點趕快把它重建完成 |
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18629.427 |
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18651.378 |
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不要雙方在那邊故意拿一個零來問你們自己撥的款都20%了怎麼會是零我們水利署撥的更多好 謝謝好 我們謝謝傅君祺總召謝謝經濟文化部相關部會單位接下來林倩祺 林倩祺 林倩祺接下來有請黃建斌委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
18662.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
18664.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
好 謝謝主席 我有請農業部跟經濟部請農業部跟經濟部 |
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18675.748 |
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市長好 市長好市長那個遜期 看到遜期要到遜期其實最近也很辛苦啦那其實看到遜期 其實農民更擔心喔因為對農民來說 水太多也完了 田水也完了那像接下來又要沒有季節喔那其實台東有一些農民還有擔心 |
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18694.024 |
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18710.558 |
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很擔心因為沒有季節造成季節辛苦種植的稻米會有倒伏甚至是受粉不良的情況形成空爆彈所以這部分也請部長哲成、農良署跟農改產來協助地方政府如果未來有災情督促地方政府來協助我們農損提拔的部分 |
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18730.4 |
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那連環就是說台東比較大家比較印象深刻的農產品在兩個一個是豬油水稻一個就是釋迦那釋迦銷售的問題其實長久以來都遇到就是政治上的問題我想釋迦農他不是不知道要分散但是目前我們整個外銷來說風水師家外銷來說他最大的 |
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那個銷售還是在中國其他國家並不好嘛那農民也知道當然我們部裡面有提出要轉做的部分的政策他也知道要轉做但是轉做他要時間而且不是每個農民都能夠轉做那在這段時間裡面還是需要靠我們政府來協助這個促銷 |
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| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
18768.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
那過去我們都沒有推出這個好事聯聯這個平台鼓勵我們這些企業、團體可以加強來訂購為了刺激這個內銷市場還搬出一些優惠像在平台推出什麼消費滿千送百啦還可以抽八八八這個原油券啦這個部分當年推出的政策非常的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
18769.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
18784.371 |
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那我們在112年的時候農業部還有發宣告說國產分配施加銷售措施成績顯著穩定產業及農民收益那這部分部長既然這個部分有效我們是不是這個政策繼續來推動 |
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| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
18802.653 |
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我第一個要跟委員說明,就是當初中國禁止我們鳳椅斯拉出去的時候,我們的確花了非常多的時間去拉外銷,農民也相關的配合,可是到了113年的時候,中國一開的時候,那些世家的沒有人理我們。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
本來要轉座的 他轉座了這個就是說我們農業部在處理產業的時候是希望大家一起合作不是今天有一個另外一個誘因臨時拉過去的時候那我們的所有的好事連連的平台沒有人要上然後所有的外銷獎勵他也不理我們那我是覺得說大家一定要合作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
那如果說大家認為他是應該適度的朝一個因為這種方式應該是不是一年兩年啦應該是三年五年的部分所以我很願意說如果農民願意大家一起努力往這個方向走我都願意這些平台這些外銷的其他國家外銷的拉力能夠走但是不要說因為中國那邊一釋出一些誘因我們其他的東西全部瞬間就掛掉了 |
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18854.84 |
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謝謝部長也這麼正面的回顧因為接下來私家產局要到我們也可以試著來辦看看那另外就是說本期在選區的時候有些親農也特別建議這些方式就是說我們目前因為早期蜂擂蝦都消亡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
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都外銷所以我們國內對於風力事業的使用還有保存方法他並不是很了解他們有建議說未來可不可以在包裝上能夠多一些補貼給他們在包裝上或是行銷上的費用讓他們可以讓更多的台灣的特別是這些小家庭他能夠這個小包裝也好使用方式也好 |
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那更了解釋迦的使用方式來推廣我跟委員報告鳳梨釋迦不在於包裝是在於它本身的銷售的型態那因為鳳梨釋迦它基本比較甜但是相對的它有一些產品包括冷凍以後做冰淇淋有沒有 |
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那是非常口感非常好的所以我們一直希望說有一部分的這些果實能夠冷凍經過加工那這個部分我想我們會跟產地一起來努力部長那個如果青龍願意來做這樣子的創新事我們也可以來協助他們啦 |
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這個要看個案因為因為我們所了解就是鳳梨私家本身不在於那個包裝漂亮不漂亮啦因為鳳梨私家在國內不是啦不是啦我的意思是說實用方式的再教育給民眾知道說他這個怎麼使用 |
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這個我們一直在處理就是說用什麼樣的方式使用鳳梨釋迦是最可口的它不是先吃 它要冰起來以後再吃是比較好的那未來這樣子有相關計畫是不是可以來協助我們青龍我想因為所有的輔導都是看相關所提的計畫各樣我們沒辦法就這邊說你要做包裝我一定補助我不會這樣講但是我會看計畫的方式而且是要有目標性的我們會來協助 |
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好 謝謝部長 部長謝謝喔那現在我們請經濟部次長次長好 這樣很感謝過去經濟部水利署一直很幫助台東縣喔那也補助龐大的這個經費來協助我們縣管河川的這個傾輸那不過據本市瞭解台東縣政府之前提出這個太平溪的傾輸經費4億元經濟部都不同意補助這個原因是 我覺得這件事你為什麼 |
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委員讓我們check一下好有這件事嗎報告委員丹納市台東完我們針對台東這邊是有給補助啦那我不曉得委員談的太平溪這個部分市議員的補助我本身說的也是沒有不予補助 |
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是不是總我們會後來馬上跟委員報告一下因為我是沒收到啦 抱歉所以你有一次這樣啦是我們很感謝這位主席這幾年因為你知道台東縣是卡布地的防彈然後每一條河川也都很長以台東縣政府的財力能力來維護這一塊是有困難那我們跟分署我們八二署的互動也很好是那據本席了解到說是因為財力等級的關係所以不補助我覺得這個聽起來很 |
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讓人很不可思議人家這樣讓成立等級來衡量嗎而且我們現在討論的就是訓期的防洪工作嘛因為這個一旦潰體它造成的損害是更大的所以本席要再次強調是說 |
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不要因為用拆等級的方式把台東縣原本要協助的把框架住所以這可以讓人道歉嗎這應該這個方向是沒有錯啦不過因為台東後來化為第一級確實跟我們當初計畫這邊有一些問題因為我們當初這個整個計畫是只有補助二級、三級、四級的那一級的因為過去只有台北市政府但是後來這個財政等級劃分我們也面臨到問題所以這個我們來努力 |
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我們一起來努力好不好一起來解決這個問題你對大陸人來說我身為一級我不是我問題是二三十你先去考古啊累積下來的因為你一次的升級讓我全部全部全部之前的問題都我來檢討啦 |
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因為這個確實有煉靈到這些問題很謝謝 感謝台東啦 都貴的我們真的很擔心說訊息到了那你也知道台東是搖滾區第一派紅台找到背後台東後來大量的雨水都造成 |
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那個很有的潰體這個都會造成人命安全我們來努力好 謝謝那另外還有就是在官山鎮跟池上的民眾反映說因為這幾年的這個極端氣候也是因為SARS的關係那我們也有再陸續做輸菌的這個動作可是再有一段就是在這個 |
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出來橋到電光大橋之間它不再侵運了那這個部分民眾其實很擔心因為看過馬灘事件之後現在整個縱谷地區的民眾都很擔心說有一天要站在白天的窗外倒霉那這個部分是後續我們跟書面持續來瞭解說我們怎麼樣來協助侵運的方式 |
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包括委員如果他是中央管的河川我們如果有河道的防洪治理安全我們是絕對沒有問題馬上進行清蘇但是如果縣市政府部分我們會跟縣市政府來努力來看適當的給予協助沒有問題那會後我們有收到相關的問題我們跟蘇陽就來討論應該的我們會全力來幫忙謝謝署長謝謝謝謝謝謝主席好我們謝謝黃天斌委員謝謝經濟部 |
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葉元芝 葉元芝 葉元芝徐欣盈 徐欣盈 徐欣委員伍麗華 伍麗華 伍麗華委員登記發言委員處不在場外區域經已發言完畢 詢答結束委員徐欣盈 陳昌明 林倩琦 伍麗華所提書面質詢列入記錄 刊登公報 |
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書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位一周內以書面答覆並複製本會委員並要求期限者從其選定本日所列議程處理完畢謝謝大家現在上會 |
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