| IVOD_ID |
17451 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17451 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T08:33:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T11:34:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:00:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d28af0f0e72e77d221263d178d79b9582601341028818003d8ee8ce98b34e0a345ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第17次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於僑務委員會主管收支公開及機密部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑務委員會主管信託基金： （一）莊守耕公益基金。（二）受理捐贈僑生獎助學金及艱困地區僑民學校師資輔助金基金。（僅詢答）（5月18日、20日及21日三天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:41 - 11:34:00 |
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我們現在繼續開會 請議事人員宣讀本日議程討論事項討論事項一 審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於僑偶委員會主管數字公開及機密部分 瓜浦錦詢答二 審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑偶委員會主管信託基金 瓜浦錦詢答一 裝守跟公益基金二 受理捐贈僑生獎助學金及監控地區僑民學校 |
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施支輔助基金宣讀完畢現在介紹在場委員以及與會的官員首先介紹陳永康陳委員以及僑委員會徐家欽徐委員長榮佑兒榮主任秘書綜合規劃處張浩鈞張處長僑民處陳永峰陳處長 |
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1788.838 |
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喬教處 林紀榮 林處長喬商處 游凱權 游處長喬生處 張文華 張處長秘書室 邱惠燕 邱主任人事室 谷元玲 谷主任主計室 柯淑玲 柯主任資訊室 白忠光 白主任政風室 楊尊仁 楊主任 |
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1816.175 |
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1838.951 |
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法規會徐宥林徐專門委員僑務通訊社羅蓉羅總編輯財團法人海外信用保證基金侯立揚侯董事長財團法人海華文教基金會廖雲軒廖執行長主計總處邱碧珠邱專門委員 |
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1843.888 |
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本日會議審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於僑委員會主管收支公開及機密部分及兩項信託基金案僅作詢答報告區分為公開及機密兩部分採先公開後秘密報告詢答先秘密後公開 |
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1864.073 |
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1879.253 |
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時間並記本會委員4加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點30分截止發言登記如有臨時提案請於10點30分之前提出11點左右處理現在請許委員長上台就公開部分進行報告 |
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1888.335 |
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1906.096 |
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馬昭偉各位委員、女士先生大家早安今天應邀到貴院委員會報告115年度本會的主管預算案深感榮幸謹此提出本會115年度的預算配合施政計畫編列情形敬請各位委員指教 |
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1907.237 |
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1921.482 |
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鑑於政府預算資源相對有限各項施政應以支出效益為準繩排列優先順序本會依歸零預算的精神並本先檢法再後加法的原則 |
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1922.943 |
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1936.295 |
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檢討經費的必要性及合理性並按照我們施政優先順序來分配資源編定一百一十五年度預算案請二要說明如下稅務部分一百一十五年度稅務預算總計編列九百二十三萬兩千元與上年度同 |
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1941.12 |
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1944.144 |
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稅出部分115年度稅出預算編列26億4252萬元含公開預算25億8696萬元6000餘元及機密預算5555萬4000 |
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1957.682 |
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1964.747 |
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較上年度的法定預算19億8305萬5千元增加6億5946萬5千元主要系增列擴大培育及留用僑生計劃海外華語文學習生根計劃以及捐助財團法人海外信用保證基金增資等經費緊救工作計劃項目報告如下 |
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1984.122 |
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2012.639 |
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在一般行政費上編列四億七千二百五十萬一千元較上年度增加兩千九百九十九萬六千元主要系增加駐外人員的健保補助等經費第二綜合規劃業務編列四千七百四十三萬五千萬元五千元較上年度增加一百七十八萬元主要系增列辦理海外青年海外 |
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2014.64 |
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2027.124 |
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辦理青年海外搭橋計畫等經費第三 僑民僑團的聯繫接待暨僑教中心的服務總計編列3億4960萬3千元較上年度增加1億2864萬7千元主要是增加海外華語文學習生跟計畫等經費 |
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2039.129 |
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2055.01 |
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4.喬校發展暨文化社教補助編列3億798萬4千元較上年度增加1,622萬4千元主要系增業辦理擴大培育及留用喬生等經費 |
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2056.374 |
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2062.739 |
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5.僑商經濟業務編列1億7,063萬8千元較上年度增加1億1,546萬7千元主要系增列捐助財團法人海外信保基金增資等費用 |
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2076.516 |
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2092.706 |
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第六,僑生回國升學暨僑親培育延續營,編列十一億九千四百一十六萬六千元,較上年度增加三億五千四百五十六萬八千元,主要是擴大 |
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2094.266 |
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2120.9 |
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培育及留用僑生等經費第七僑務新聞資訊及傳媒服務編列三千六百九十八萬九千元較上年度增加一千兩百七十八萬三千元主要系增列海外華語文學習生根計劃等經費第八地域備金編列七百六十五萬元與上年度同第九 |
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2121.92 |
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2129.421 |
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有關於僑務支出機密預算編列5,554,000元與上年度同本會115年度預算案提出前瞻性的中程計劃並全力爭取預算雖然較上年度增加約6.6億為僑務支出仍僅佔中央政府總預算之0.09%顯示僑務預算仍屬僅促 |
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2150.265 |
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2164.35 |
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在政府資源有限狀況下本會將持續深化僑民與台灣緊密聯合拓展國際參與空間結合文化及語言推廣華語文產業打造海內外 |
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2165.47 |
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2187.619 |
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的平台拓展多元的商機擴大推動僑生培育方案以落實國家的人才培育政策打造團結溫暖行動創新的新世代僑務藍圖讓世界看見台灣聽見台灣本會由衷的希望在僑務施政上能夠得到各位委員的鞭策與指導使僑務工作能夠順利推動 |
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2189.039 |
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造福海外的廣大僑胞 以上報告敬請各位委員盡力支持 不吝指教 謝謝我們現在公開報告結束 接續進行祕密會議 |
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2208.817 |
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2214.963 |
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我們即將進行清場待會兒移動時請全部由前門出場參與秘密會議人員由後門通過偵測檢查後進入請議事人員清場 |
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3455.626 |
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3467.316 |
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我們現在登記有關兩項基金報告的部分請參閱書面資料現在登記公開質詢的委員開始詢答請陳俊宇委員上台質詢好謝謝趙委員我們有請委員長請委員長 |
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3486.728 |
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3511.751 |
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委員長早安我想今天想就這個海外喬校的這個議題來先請教委員長我們海外的這個喬校長期以來面對師資不足的這個困境這個問題直接影響到我們教育的服務品質和持續性喬校會一直也都是透過不同的管道來充實我們喬校的這個師資其中也包括我們 |
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3512.752 |
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3531.361 |
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到海外服勤的喬教替代役據我們了解,政府自2007年起就派遣第一批替代役男前往菲律賓喬校來支援華語文的教學以及相關的校務工作 |
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3557.083 |
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並且以這個推廣正體制的這個華語文教育為重要的一個目標那這項政策不但是要讓我們義南來發揮他教學的這個專長在實務上也作為補充我們喬校師之不足的問題那協助增進當地教學能量的方案之一更期待能夠提升我們台灣在國際社會的一個貢獻和支持 |
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3558.73 |
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3577.782 |
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我們也看到橋友會辦理的海外替代業目前服務的地區包括泰國、菲律賓、日本等地在去年還獲獎的新聞顯示我們辦理的成效應該是頗有成果對此我想請教委員長就是我們海外橋教的替代業實施這麼多年來 |
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3579.063 |
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3596.898 |
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委員長怎麼評估他的成效目前我們義南服務的狀況如何另外我們僑委會是否已經藉由這些具備海外食物的這些有經驗的青年人來建立起我們海外華語文師資的一個人才庫 |
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3597.879 |
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3602.882 |
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是謝謝委員關心確實我們過往因為有替代役的這樣一個制度之後呢我們就使用這個替代役的役男來徵選領派他們到海外去充實我們橋校的這個師資那成效都其實相當受到肯定尤其有非常多橋校無論在日本在韓國在菲律賓或是泰國本地呢長期以來都這些替代役男的這個 |
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3628.66 |
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3649.676 |
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華語教學受到當地學童的喜歡老師、校長也都非常的肯定因為他們的服務期間從六個月就是一學期到十個月不等兩個學期過往他們在服務完之後有不少案例都是最後 |
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3650.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
3655.42 |
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回來台灣報到完他們又自己自願再去那對於這樣的情形我們是感覺到這個是非常好的一個趨勢那也因為這樣子我們也多鼓勵藝男能夠再透過這樣的方式呢去發展他的職涯的一個 |
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3668.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
3675.149 |
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進度有些甚至在當地就變成是另外一個形態在當地建立的事業有一些回國之後他會變成是很好的一個經驗的提供者所以我們對於這些派駐在海外的僑民異難事實上都有長期在追蹤及觀察他們在服務期間遇到的一些挑戰是什麼然後回國之後他們在 |
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3693.815 |
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3722.005 |
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未來的這個生涯的發展狀況有不少藝男都還跟我們保持蠻好的聯繫那這個部分呢我們是很期待說僑民藝男能夠越多越好不過也必須跟委員坦承近年來因為這一方面的兵員越來越少那所以能夠領選到的這個替代藝男去海外的資資也相對的有一些縮減不過關鍵的這些學校我們都還是照常派人 |
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3723.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
3740.883 |
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對 那我想在剛剛委員長您說的 義南的這個冰源越來越少那這個部分我們有沒有什麼因應的一個方式我們有幾個不同的方向 一個就是說也盡量鼓勵在國內已經退休的教師 |
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3741.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
3765.362 |
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如果他有意願身體狀況都許可我們也鼓勵他們可以繼續在海外從事這一方面的教學工作來補充一些師資的不遠因為畢竟這些已經退休的教師呢都是非常成熟的這個師員的來源所以我們這是其中一個第二個就是我們近年來也結合國內就是華語文的 |
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3770.626 |
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3790.074 |
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私資培育的細索透過線上數位的方式來提供一些私資的線上教學的補充那第三個就是我們也盡量鼓勵已經在國內台灣就讀的這些僑生如果在他們畢業之後如果不是留在台灣的話 |
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3791.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
3794.217 |
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願意返鄉那如果有些部分學習相關科系的人我們也會鼓勵他們說能否去我們的一些橋校來進行服務工作那這部分呢因為當地的當然收入會比較少所以我們也有一個 |
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3807.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
3829.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
這個獅子艱困地區的獅子的補助計畫在輔導這些派駐海外的這個獅子所以無論是剛剛我講的第一種已經退休的獅子或者是剛剛講的第三種這種自聘教師從國內無論是僑生與否那去派駐外面的呢這個我們都有提供一定的這個叫做 |
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3830.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
3853.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
補充這個薪資的補充的計畫希望能夠幫助他們留在當地生活可以比較順利一些好那在這個相關的預算當中替代藝能的相關預算當中我們看到剛剛委員長您也說了這個原額減半的情況之下可是我們在115年度我們還是編列於跟上年度的這個預算一樣就是214萬6千元 |
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3856.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
3884.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那針對這筆預算的部分我想請教委員長就是我們目前對於相關的規劃跟資用的情形是怎麼樣可不可以簡要說明好 跟委員說明事實上我們派駐在海外的人數還是跟去年一樣多只是因為我們以往的異難我們分兩種一種是會留在我們會內服務的一種是派到海外去的那這一筆錢大部分都是主要是支援在海外的部分 |
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3885.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
3901.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
對所以海外的部分我們目前原額是沒有減少的所以我們這個預算仍然是維持一致只是我們在會內服務的這一部分的這個因為兵員減少所以我們就優先砍掉我們在會內服務的這一塊優先保障在海外的失職部分 |
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3902.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
3924.635 |
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好 那這個我們海外的這個喬喬替代義男的部分其實這個也是對我們台灣來講是一個非常重要的一個種子啦因為他只要能夠掌握到相關的這個語言文化環境這個對未來我們台灣在推動相關的這個外交的部分也會是一個非常重要的一個宣傳大使那這個部分也請我們這個 |
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3926.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
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委員長這邊能夠跟我們同仁一起繼續的努力好 謝謝陳委員的鼓勵我們會持續 謝謝好 謝謝接下來請羅美玲委員上台質詢謝謝主席 有請委員長請委員長 |
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委員長早安請教委員長我們在這個第二期的海外華語文學習深耕計畫115年度呢我們有編列了兩億三千八百八十七萬九千元比這個114年度一億兩千四百四十三萬五千元我們成長的將近 |
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我們來看一下喬教中心目前使用的狀況為什麼會提到這個呢因為我們第二期的編列預算裡面我們提高了將近一倍其中包含了喬教中心軟硬體的 |
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這個優化那我們可以看到就是說我們目前喬教中心的使用人數呢其實一直都沒有回到這個疫情以前我們想了解就是說到底原因是什麼那在疫情當中當然使用人數少這個是可想而知可是呢112年113年我們發現美洲也好或是大洋洲也好 |
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其實我們的使用人數呢都還沒有回到這個疫情之前那對於這個喬教中心的這個軟硬體的這個優化是不是有助於這個提升這個使用人次請問委員長好跟委員報告說明喔過往我們喬教中心的這個在疫情前呢 |
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很多大型的活動直接都辦在這個橋道中心裡面所以這些人士呢也都會進入那疫情後呢事實上我們有非常多橋團是覺得說他們可能要在更大的展演場或者是露天的這些空間裡面來辦理相關的一些活動因為疫情後老實講台灣在全球的市場越來越夯所以他們辦的這些活動呢就有很多當地主流人士會參加 |
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所以他們在一些廣場或露天的辦理狀況情形其實會更好比縮在我們的喬教中心裡面單獨的這個籌辦所以這是為什麼疫情前和疫情後這個所謂使用人次的下降原因這是其中極大的一個部分過往因為我們很多喬團辦包括這些文化展演都是用我們喬教的這一項喬教中心的這個舞台跟禮堂但事實上我們禮堂 |
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設備實在是不足啦如果很有水準的這一些展演團體要在我們喬教中心演出我們還擔心這些人會受傷或者我們聲光設備都不足的狀況之下所以近年來在疫情後我們都請喬團去當地的主流社會去主任比較大型的符合這個 |
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比較具有表演水準的這種空間進行展演那也讓我們的展演團體可以在一個好的環境裡面然後當地主流人士也知道的地方那這樣子的來回之間呢就因為這種引導的模式差異所以那個使用人次看起來是下降但我們希望說喬教中心不單單只是傳統的辦理喬社的功能過往因為第一代的僑民呢他們比較習慣來喬教中心 |
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藉用各種各樣空間來做他們的一些聚會但近年來因為年輕人已經有很多新的不一樣想法所以他們不一定想聚集在喬教中心這也是為什麼我們希望把喬教中心能夠做一些改造 |
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以便在未來我們可以迎接更多第二代第三代及主流社會的人可以進到我們中心來使用這個空間的機率可以大幅提升所以我們就結合了這個華語文中心華語文深耕計畫希望說將更多台灣特殊的優勢文化的內涵能夠帶到我們每一個不同點的喬教中心所以我們每一個喬教中心有一個不同的主題點 |
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這樣子的一個規劃能夠讓來參加來運用我們中心的人可以深刻的體會到台灣的不同面向包括說我們的科技或是醫療或是我們的這個包括 |
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民主的發展包括我們的各種飲食文化等等的面向那透過這樣的方式目前我們有十個中心是我們自己擁有的那六個是去租的那六個去租的我們比較不宜去動它改造它那但是十個我們自己自有的呢我們就打算藉由這第二期五年的這個時間當中能夠把它優化以便符合第二代第三代以及未來主流人士來運用 |
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因為我有看到這個計畫裡面就含了喬教中心的優化我就想喬委會應該也是很努力的想要把這個使用人數再次的來做提升那我們也期待就是說這個預算過了之後真正的把這個經費用在優化上面來提升我們的使用人數那當然我有看到立法院預算評估報告裡面還有針對這個第二期計畫有提出了一些疑點 |
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比如說還有提出據點擴大跟拯救的願景方向那對於設置地點的選點的原則還有吸引民眾使用的主題形象那甚至解決喬教中心使用輪次下降的問題等等呢都比較偏理念跟原則缺乏具體做法那當然我是想說趁這個機會讓委員長稍微說明一下到底這個立法院運算評估報告裡面所提到的這些我們有沒有一些哪些具體的做法 |
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有 因為我們這個計畫是去年114年度才開始進入第二期那我們這時候規劃就是規劃今年115年要開始執行所以我想這個預算中心的這個資料是113年的所以當時當然沒有這些具體的內容這是可以理解的 因為它有兩年的時間落差 |
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那因為現在已經是115年的5月下旬了那那個資料是113年的資料那我們在去年呢一個新的規劃今年度即將要開始執行所以可能明年我們就會看到一些具體的成果出現我們是有計畫的那種 |
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因為十個中心我們不可能全部一次弄所以我們每一次挑兩到三個中心作為一起一年的計畫讓它先優化然後提升以後其他後面的在逐年用這樣的方式來進行所以比方說我們以休斯頓來說就是今年正要執行的那因為休斯頓是美國的NASA也是他們太空中心所以呢我們在當地呢我們就叫做太空港 |
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導覽台灣我們每一個設定的主題會不一樣那所以在這個喬治亞中心裡面原來他就有很多文化導覽的志工那我們還要幫他們重新再做一些升級的培育然後還有很多文物啊很多資料啊數位化的東西要升格所以這些東西需要一些時間那也需要一些經費我們就在這個計畫裡面做這樣的執行那亦或是在舊金山灣區我們也是 |
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因為當地就是這個Silicon Valley有很多高科技的這個產業聚落所以我們就把這個舊金山灣區定為系島高科技主題在裡面也做出這個相關跟台灣有關係的這個轉出那抑或是在華府這個是大家知道美國的政治中心那所以在這個政治中心當中呢我們就把它設定叫做民主人權的特展區那就是說藉由在不同的城市裡面跟他們當地 |
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的這些基本程式的特色功能也可以做一些結合的時候這樣我們在推動的這個導覽上面會更加吸引當地的第二代第三代或是主流的朋友那這個就是我們在今年度規劃的一個主題內容那當然明年116年還有新的其他中心也會針對不同的主題去做進行規劃 |
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OK 謝謝委員長 委員長講得非常的清楚也就是說立法院預算評估報告裡面它其實是113年的報告其實像我們的計畫是從我記得第二期是從115年到115年其實今年才達言的五年計畫 |
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所以一些具體的做法其實呢是慢慢的在進行當中因為那時候還是屬於計畫113年還在第一期的末端OK 好 謝謝 謝謝委員長的這個說明OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝羅委員關心 謝謝好 謝謝 接下來請黃仁委員上台質詢 |
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謝主席有請委員長請委員長 |
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黃委員早安委員長好一向對橋委會的業務我是對你們予以肯定但是現在有一些問題我們必須要討論一下探討跟檢討那橋委會在110年度的預算中只有橋教處有編海外華語文學 |
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語文學習深耕計畫的預算但今年除了橋處外我們還有橋民、橋商、橋務、通信社也編了相關的預算那各自的分工如何 |
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這個問題我想有一些疑點因為這個分工最大的問題是在當大家有在深耕計畫的行銷或活動的預算的時候那很容易出現什麼僑民處辦的文化活動和僑教處辦的推廣活動 |
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性質高度的重疊,變成一魚多吃,重複核銷每個處,每個處市都有新增這個這個行政這個 |
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事實上不會有剛剛委員所擔憂的情況因為雖然在四個單位但四個單位的內容完全不同第一個在僑民處的部分我剛剛已經解釋過 |
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這是為了讓那個喬教中心能夠變成是一個文化導覽的一個發展方向所以它跟原來喬教處編列的這個TCML台灣華語文中心在執行教學華語文的內容這個是完全不同的兩個面向 |
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但是因為我們在教學TCML的這些學員都是當地的主流人士他們為了想要進一步深化認識台灣可是在海外其實很難去尋找到一些資源所以我們才想到說那我們有的這個喬教中心應該讓他優化身格把他那個內容豐富起來這是第一部分第二部分呢包括在 |
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委員長因為時間關係我跟妳講其他的用書面給我好不好因為這個我會管制我會重新的來看你們到底的效力能不能達到這個就是一個我們現在既然多出了這個 |
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所謂的僑民僑商 僑務的通信中心多了這個 那我想說我們會管是看看你們有效率 委員這邊的人事費都不會增加因為還是在既有人事下 這個都是業務費達到你們的目標 好不好這個還有另外一個 預算中顯示僑務 |
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通信社为了宣传申科的计划编了将近600万的媒体政策及业务的一个先导费那平和指标是在网站浏览处要达到10万人次那这个10万人次我觉得这个 |
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就會有一點餘力那當然在審查預算的時候我就必須要從這個地方來重新檢討你們的問題你們六百萬在一年內只要達到十萬人就夠了嗎 |
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委員並不是的這個文字的寫法可能會造成誤解事實上我們是在把我們的深耕計畫也就是台灣的華語文做一個品牌特色在國際行銷那老實講以六百萬的這個區區不到 |
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20只有18萬美金的狀況要在海外進行各種的宣傳老實講是遠遠不夠的所以我們僅僅只能選擇非常少的通過這個數位網路的方式來進行主流媒體我們是完全都放棄了我們就是僅僅就鎖定一些已經有建立華語文中心的國家來進行投放所以我們是有效的進行投放這樣的一個方式因為你們是全球的 |
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但是委員我們現在華語文中心是只有設在17個國家截至目前為止所以我們不會隨便亂灑我們是有效的投射我說你們這個平和的標準是不是太低了我想以600萬一年所平和的這個點數裡面10萬人次 |
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你可能誤會了他這個是指一支不是說全部加起來是十萬人次的概念不是這個意思他只是說在網站的最低標最低標 |
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網站本身我們有一個網站網站的做地標一定要擴這個然後其他如果是什麼請網紅去拍的啦的這個短影音啊這個都是十幾萬十幾萬一支的影片而已這種的都不是算在這個十萬的以內喔這還是額外的我為什麼會有一點疑慮因為我查一下資料我們舉一個例子好了就是顯示網站瀏覽數達到十萬人次到底有多為不足道的 |
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一個原因是一般的商業廣告投效只要廣告受眾關鍵字設定沒問題那單字點擊成本大約只要是1.3元1.3塊換下來交會只要花30萬 |
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不到一個月後台就能達到10萬次我們不會買這種的我們要的是實體的那種機器人點閱的那種機器人點閱的我們不要這種的我會檢討你們的預算600萬的平衡的標準你們平衡的這麼低是不是要重新檢討 |
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我剛剛已經解釋過了就是說這個十萬僅僅是指那個網站就是我們有一個網站的平台那個網站平台不是花六百萬那個網站的平台是只有好像一百多萬而已你們的預算書裡面是這樣寫的啊這是總統統的但是網站的最低額度必須是先到達這個六百萬還包括其他所有的項目在內所以我說這個表達有詳細的狀況你再寫我們順便跟我講 |
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好的謝謝那關於這個所謂的一個孔子學院這個部分你們就用書面來跟我說這個給我報告好不好好的好的感謝委員好謝謝接下來請劉許廷委員上台質詢謝主席教會委員長有請請委員長 |
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委員長早安 辛苦了不會上次3月18日的質詢我們針對僑生留台的問題進行討論會後僑委會很快的提供了資料這一點表示肯定今天是預算的總質詢有關於僑生留台的一些專案是115年的預算大幅的增加我們就針對內容上來做一下討論 |
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4926.973 |
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上一次我們要建立所謂的離台僑生的追蹤調查機制嘛那現在因為僑委會可以掌握的叫產學合作僑生專班就是3加4嘛那麼3加4之後畢業留項資料為主你個人申請還要你拿就太為難你了這本席理解 |
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4927.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
4944.199 |
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我們就針對這個來做討論資料顯示技術型高中17所學校流失率12.2%寄專科技大學10所學校流失率還是比較高57.79%其中大部分按照流失比例來講大部分其實是沒有辦法畢業你畢業了1113年寄專1052人入學畢業的是666人畢業之後留在台灣大概是484 |
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4954.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
4977.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
那換言之這個大概只有不到一半能夠最後順利畢業而且留在台灣但大部分是沒有辦法畢業所以我們大家前面其實有討論過是屬於評點制的改變或是企業併顧的門檻或是哪一些生活適應不良等等這些都期待僑委會要持續來做一個追蹤那我本期這次看到的預算這次 |
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相關的這個計畫就是擴大培育及留用喬森計畫的經費跟這個相關的大概是接近12億12億左右比起114年的預算8億1是成長50%比如去年8億今年是12億那我就很好奇啦因為一般來講你都希望喬森在這邊唸書唸完書可以順利留用嘛對不對我們已經討論很多次了那你的預算大幅增加的時候那你的KPI是什麼 |
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我們的KPI計算很簡單就是第一每一年都會有新的僑生會進來對啊我們這個計畫呢擴大級培育流動僑生是進入第四年然後今年呢我們115年開始要做下一個階段新的計畫開始所以我們是以這四年的人數的成長那確實也成長我們第一年只有一開始兩千多後來變四千多後來變六千多這幾年大概是七千多七千多 對 |
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5034.756 |
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5041.443 |
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那所以這個數字會一直累積的因為那個新生進來以後他還持續在那邊然後救生這個數量就加上去了所以他一個累積的累積的累積的狀況這是為什麼我們在後面呢因為這些都基本上是他的學費補助或者學校的開放費或者是相關的輔導費用我知道 |
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5054.957 |
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5065.802 |
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所以一個蘿蔔一個坑的一個蘿蔔一個坑對不對對我現在就要問嘛就按照這個預算中心相關的資料比如112學年度啊承辦相關的學校就是接應你這個計畫的學校是18所合併人數7086人對113年承辦學校27所合併人數7500多人當然你有講你有大部分其實是累積嘛對還沒有畢業的嘛 |
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5074.046 |
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5100.15 |
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那這些情況大概都是在因為你這個計畫是四年期嘛對四年期三十多億啦三十多億然後最後一年還剩十幾億你當然就全編這個我理解但問題是你這前面幾年大概是七億到八億規模這樣的預算大概就是這樣子的承辦學校的數量跟這樣合併學生的數量那你這一年突然暴增你有沒有把握比如說我承辦學校的數量增加或者是我合併學生的人數要到什麼樣的程度以確保這樣的預算能夠順利被執行請你回答 |
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5101.07 |
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5123.416 |
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謝謝委員關心我們確實這個這四年呢每一年都有新的學校跟系所在增加這是事實第二個就是說就原來的學校也有些班人數在成長他本來可能就是60人後來我們變成80人所以人數成長也是一部分但我知道我們最終關心的KPI就是說學生能不能順利讀書畢業 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
5125.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
5131.997 |
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然後留在台灣這才是我關心的KPI值我的鎖定KPI也在這裡所以近年來我們有兩大措施第一個就是說提升他的華語文能力以便他在學習過程當中他的障礙降低第二個就是我們給他更多的輔導計畫因為早期開始的時候並不知道說這些年輕學生原來是遇到幾個生活性的問題比方說他不會理財所以他一下子來台灣錢發完了沒辦法他錢就發完了然後就回家了 |
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5154.462 |
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然後就說他繳不出學費了或者是他的語言能力對A1就進來了A1不見得聽得懂課是 我覺得你非常了解你非常了解所以這兩三年我們是一直穿著西裝改西裝的狀況所以這個制度在上路的時候我們一邊在優化它給學校更多的資源跟協助說比方說我們在師資的部分華語人的教材然後師資的培育以及學生提早兩個月到台灣來進行華語人課程 |
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5184.635 |
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5205.227 |
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加強事業委員長你回答很多都是改善品質這一點我們都肯定因為本來就要改善品質你才會然後去年呢很感謝貴院通過了我們在國發會所提的這個法案就是人才的這個禁用計畫要做一些調整嘛對對對這個法案通過很重要因為今年開始呢實施但是委員長你剛剛都沒有回答我的問題嘛 |
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5206.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
5218.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我講的因為你剛剛講一個蘿蔔一個坑對不對所以我的預算增加我的核定人數跟配額學校一定要增加那你要增加到什麼程度你要清楚說明因為沒關係嘛今天只是委員我們有一個額度的上限這是我們根據額度上限去編列這個預算數的 |
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5222.861 |
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5237.531 |
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沒關係 你就把你每一年的額度上限還有相關的實際執行的狀況你會又做一份資料 因為馬上要審預算如果你這個提供的資料不夠完整沒有辦法說服說我有辦法在未來這一年執行的時候我可以百分之百的達標那你預算可能就有普遍的嫌疑我跟委員報告我們去年是114年本會預算執行率99% |
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5242.895 |
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5250.082 |
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我知道沒關係99%這已經是破中華民國建國以來唯一一個部會達到99%的紀錄回答我的問題我要你的就是說今年的預算增加50%對不對所以你的預定目標是什麼嘛你歷年執行你99%那你就寫嘛我就把實際的執行細節你要交代嘛要不然在審查預算的時候大家又 |
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5266.137 |
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5282.906 |
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對對對 我們會提供完整的資料給各位的參考 完整的資料請先準備好好的 再做一點點時間喔這本期 最近有接到民眾陳情喔 這我們泰國北部喔 這青萊省山居有一個叫象苗中文學校這大概是熱血的志工吧 或怎麼樣在那個地方的偏鄉的村子裡面提供這個中文的這個教育 |
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5302.002 |
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最近我收到陳請說中文的師資看起來是蠻稀缺的我稍微查了一下這個學校過去僑委還是有贊助的比如中文的教材等等或是曾經幫忙招募志工看起來跟僑委會應該是有些聯繫的現在遇到的狀況這個僑委會有沒有掌握有沒有打算提供什麼樣的協助請簡單說明一下 |
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5322.512 |
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委員我去年自己有親自跑了一趟青邁地區然後之後我們的副委員長也去了一趟青邁青萊地區主要都是去關心當地橋效的情形那也掌握了就是說在青邁地區的橋效呢近年來使用我們教材的橋效數確實有在下降那這個下降的原因也 |
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5328.635 |
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5337.461 |
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沒有什麼意外我沒有問你教材啦我剛剛講這是本席收到的選民陳情人家現在講老師不夠了僑委會能不能提供合適的協助這個你們關心一下我們老師的輔導就是我剛剛已經講的就是說學生呢一方面他們的人數在增加那但是我們國內可以派去的實施真的有限很辛苦啦 |
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5372.963 |
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他們在網路上要招募志工我還查了一下招募志工他特別聲明不是在搞詐騙集團環境有一點艱困真的難而且薪資都很低正是因為艱困所以才需要僑委幫忙這個是接到的成績這個就是成年救案啦應該不是心安難安那就了解一下會用相關的可以協助的措施嘛總要有所交代既然已經有連結了那就要想辦法幫忙 |
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5380.249 |
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好的 好好好好 相關資料再請委員長會後詳細提供好 謝謝劉委員好 謝謝 辛苦了好 謝謝接下來請王安祥委員上台質詢好 謝謝主席 有請委員長有請委員長 |
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5399.554 |
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5424.625 |
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王委員早安 委員長好剛剛劉委員也特別提到了在這次預算裡面關於擴大培育跟流用喬生的計畫因為這個當年是編的是4年的計畫目前大概已經支用的部分大概是20億左右所以今年度編的預算就比較高一點大概到12億左右 |
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5425.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
5431.988 |
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那因為僑委會大概我們算了一下大概全部的預算大概是26億多啦對所以這樣看起來這一筆預算就會到4到5成所以我想應該有非常多委員都有看到這個部分那剛剛這個委員也提到 |
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5464.522 |
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那就這個我們這個僑生數這幾年是有很明顯的增加從105年大概一萬三左右現在大概快要四萬三萬九千多那看起來數字是有增加那當然我想這筆預算應該是很多委員都有看到那關於這個特別最後一年變的預算特別高委員長是不是要跟大家先說明一下因為馬上就要選預算 |
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5465.91 |
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5481.961 |
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今年度我們也是總結過去這第一期預算不足的地方或者是有這個需要精進的地方在今年最後這個階段要一次把它補給補上那有兩個方向其實我剛剛已經有說明過第一個就是發現僑生的這個華語的能力的精進不足所以我們要怎麼去提升他們的華語的能力這一塊我們事實上也投資一些資源在這上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
5492.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
5494.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
協助各校這些有收這個產學專班學校的華語師資的培訓以及老師的這個鼓勵的獎金以及學生的相關在海外還沒進來以前我們就在海外開始設點 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
5514.49 |
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給他們做上課進修的計畫所以這些華語這是第一個第二塊呢是我們針對在到台灣以後的輔導生活輔導的部分我們補助每個學校呢就是說聘至少一位輔導員來協助他們在生活無論是情感啊或者是理財啦或者是各種遇到詐騙等等的事情的時候怎麼樣協助他們好 了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
5534.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
5560.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
那委員長我上次其實在質詢中有特別提到就是這個增加的這個這個僑生的這個緣合的部分好像都集中在某一些學校啦它比例非常非常高啦那所以我想就這個Balance來說有沒有辦法擴大一些其他學校它都願意剛剛委員長說好像每年都有增加嘛有有有 我們增加很多我們從十幾個學校到現在已經三十幾個學校一直在增加對 因為某些學校的那個提升比例真的非常高啦我就不點名這些學校那 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
5561.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
5581.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
這個基本上有沒有這個當然我們也會關心他們學校的量體能不能認真提供最新好的教育因為那次委員長有提到說會有一些監督的機制會有一些管考的機制如果這個表現的不好或是沒有達到我們的預期基本上會做一些列管或分級管理我想這個因為今天省預算是不是可以再跟大家說一下怎麼樣來處理這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
5582.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
5601.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
我們有分定期與不定期的這個考核定期的話我們會協同包括教育部等單位會每一年度都有一個固定的平和表去進行它是不是達到我們預期的一個效益還有沒有其他的缺失要扣分那第二個是我們不定期的突襲檢查不定期的突襲檢查我們會會同移民署以及勞動部等相關的單位去檢查學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
5609.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
5631.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
看他的學校設施以及教學有沒有按照原來的經驗市委會長這些資料是不是可以提供我們辦公室會合可以可以那我們大概知道一下啦好因為目前在審議的時間嘛好那我剛剛委員長也提到了其實這個招生的數目不應該是一個單一的指標嘛對要留啦其實剛剛說留的數目當然我覺得留才也很重要留的是那個真的是人才啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
5632.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
5639.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
所以過去僑員會就有人才培育還有留誘 產業補充 招生國際夜節這幾個指標剛剛明遠也提到了這些KPI不曉得怎麼做一些處理這五大面向的話大概的指標是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
5651.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
5655.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
跟委員說明一下這個計畫從一開始上一位委員長時代我們在國發會已經就設定就是說有一個走元額數就是說我們到達2030年我們總共要設定多少的學生所以這個Quota事實上是在那個會議當中由國發會整體性來做建議 |
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5672.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
5677.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
指定的所以並不是本會單獨的決定了第二個呢就是說這些指標性的內容我們把它分成這個攬財育財跟留財因為如果只有攬財沒有育財跟留財那就白做工嘛那只有做前面兩項完成了讓他留不下來也做白工嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
5696.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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這也是為什麼去年大院可以通過很多相關的修法讓現在台灣畢業的學生呢比較容易可以留在台灣發展了包括那個一加一年的延長不用再額外簽證求職的時間那我們也提供更多攬財的一種做法是應該說留財的做法就是跟企業界去結合然後幫他們媒合找到他們合適的一些工作我問一下因為你們有編了一筆這個60萬的那個 |
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就是你們的畢業流向60多萬我不曉得這個部分有結合教育部一起來做嗎因為我知道很多學校也在做這個事情對 但是教育部負責的就是高等教育的部分我們做的是包括技術型高中以及科技型大學所以我們其實是有分流的所以沒有重複我有跟辦公室我們辦公室有跟 |
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我覺得評點制還是不太能夠符合現實狀況 |
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所以我們一直有跟相關單位在建議說我們也是讓評點制一直修正本來評點制從一開始一千人變一千五百人後來一直上升到六千人所以我們幹嘛設這個天花板上限幹什麼只要它能留你就讓它留嘛對不對只要它能夠達到這個標準你就給它留所以後來相關的像國發會跟勞動部都從善如流就把這個拿掉了 |
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那後來我們也一直遊說國發會說在法治上能夠修正修正讓流台的這個可能性不要受限於這個薪資結構而已那這個部分後來也都調整了但是有些是立法部門要進行修法通過的那這個逐年都有在進度當中所以近年來 去年通過的相關修正最多 |
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今年開始實施所以我們可預期今年畢業今年開始畢業的相對留宅的人數會增加所以因為時間關係啦因為我在勞動這邊當然我是希望能夠更多啦能夠透過這個最好能夠百分百留下來啦不過有一些要回去我們有樂觀其成啦這真的是我們留宅啦這部分那另外的部分我也希望就是說針對我們一些重點產業啦因為我們得到非常多這個他們缺工缺產的部分啦 |
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我們事實上招募的時候已經就有針對缺工產業有進行分布了所以我們招募就會限定某些科系不是全部都招所以感覺上有一些限制如果不是這麼需要我們也可以慢慢來看看怎麼樣有些要放寬一下是是是好感謝好謝謝王委員謝謝接下來請王定宇委員上台質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩委員長請委員長委員長 |
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委員長我先提醒一件事情現在那個我們大概每處在籌辦美國國慶的慶祝酒會嘛季節差不多到了啦七月份的活動大概現在場地應該已經確認活動內容要確認今年尤其是250週年這個當然基於重要的盟友關係這個要好好辦 |
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那我只提醒一件事情,你可能跟外交部這邊,我下禮拜也會跟他們提在合辦的單位上,要特別注意它的涵蓋性以及在怎麼樣以國家為立場的代表性,我就提醒這兩件事情就好其他部分我們可以私下再溝通那我現在請教第一個,有關我們海外信保基金 |
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我們海外信保基金你們相較於去年你們要求增加一億五百萬嘛對不對對那這樣規模來到多少增加了這個一億我先跟委員說明一下事實上這個增資計畫是在2017年新南向政策的時候已經就通過一個20億的增資計畫 |
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但是那個執行一直到我2020年來到僑委會的時候我們就一直停到差不多20億左右而已就是前面有10億那個是增資規模原規模是10原來是10然後要再加20嘛那20到我來的時候2020年的時候差不多才增加10億而已所以變成 |
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2017年同意增資再增資加20結果那個CODA你們又沒有用完都沒有增資到所以現有規模是20嘛原有規模是10後來應該再加20嘛可是那幾年當中20沒有到位沒有到位所以我最近這幾年說我們經過這麼多年努力了新南向政策都快完成了那這個增資案都沒有到那我們能夠 |
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融資保證的那個額度 稀有額度變低所以我就決定說我們現有規模到底是多少現在是24億24億 有沒有含著1億500萬還沒含嘛 對不對所以24億要再加1億500萬嘛這是你們的信保基金的預計規模那這一個信保基金預計規模呢它可以擔保的金額規模有多大我們的母體會有多大 |
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那是銀行放款 10倍 原則上是10倍所以25億的意思就是250億對 所以我25億美金我可以擔保的那個scale 那個規模是來到250億美金嗎我們現在是用新台幣算 250億台幣 |
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我現在要問的問題是可是我看了去年你們去年從丹寶的件數跟壽性的金額這邊是美金的啦因為我們在海外嘛 計價還是用美金的你們件數是逐年往下掉 |
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然後呢擔保的金額也往下掉為什麼委員就是說你們現在提報的需求是要增加了基金規模也要成長了確實國際經貿也活絡了可是我們要增加這一筆錢給你們之前我要看你們的業績嘛你們Performance是往下走啊 |
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為什麼需要增加?跟委員說明,這個讓我們海外信保基金的對象基本上是中小型企業不是大型企業,因為我們最高的受信額度本來只有兩百萬美金而已那以大企業規模來說,兩百萬美金對馬來西亞實在太少那去年這一年呢,下降主要的原因很簡單,是因為我們在 |
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遇到關稅關稅對等關稅很多的企業廠商就觀望了他說我不要在今年進行投資所以我就先不要在今年融資貸款那2022年為什麼相對比較高2021年為什麼相對比較高委員你們現在認為2026年到2027年觀望的氣氛解除了應該會解除了 |
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應該會增加很多我們確實這幾年有一支聽到廠商在問是個大環境 是的對於這些中型規模企業的委員 然後我跟您補充一下2022年為什麼數字是這樣是因為那一年當中呢是疫情因素影響我們有開辦一個叫做就是COVID-19特殊計畫所以那一年的貸款的件數會多是很多人因為疫情發生的這個我待會可以跟你講 |
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5.4大環境在2025年的大環境其實台灣對外投資創歷史新高1.18兆美元所以整體台灣對外投資是往上走你們根據那個趨勢來研判要增加從24億要增加到25億 OK |
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但是你的實際的績效是往下走你的件數跟金額往下掉你懂我意思嗎我點這個問題委員金額是增加的你看一下後面的那個那個受信金額23好因為剛剛有講過因為25年的狀況就是遇到關稅對等關稅一整年的震盪我接下來就請教了COVID的時候有COVID的專案嘛 |
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那對等關稅其實你們也有一個專案叫專案貸款保證對 那個是去年9月底才開始實施這個是include是內涵還是外加內涵在這24億裡面吧都是在內涵的那你匡了多少從這內涵裡面你們匡了多少基金 |
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我們不會用特別礦基金的模式那個專案就是沒有專案 只是有專案 因為他的資格的專案 但金額的破沒有分開破還是在同一個破但是他的條件會變不一樣就是說一般的信用保證的條件跟這些專案的保證的條件會不一樣比方說COVID期間我們給的專案就是說當時給他叫做利息補貼給他手續費減免增加這些來貸款的中小企業 |
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因為這個經濟部還有很多都有輸出銀行都有政策工具比方說因為因應關稅我也許要去開發第三國市場那第三國市場我要做滴滴啊那第三國市場有時候那個沒有開 |
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我再講一下這個一億五百萬是怎麼樣為什麼會編出一億五百萬是因為我們募到多少錢我們現在是這樣我們這筆基金不是公務預算全部是四對六也就是說我要先募到四成的資金對提百分之六十我去年已經多募到了那四成了所以我必須要撥補這六成進來這個我不反對啦 |
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這一個金額用來是幫助我們企業往外走往外走有幾個部分比方說第一次到美國做生意的因為川普鼓勵你做生意你第一次去做生意你那個拿到的銀行所以現在要去美國投資我們評估他貸款額度要高所以我們要做大一點另外到第三國的時候有時候你貨出去了收不到款 |
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要一個擔保或者要有一些市場調查這些其實在經濟部在輸出入銀行在很多地方都有類似的預算那我希望看到的是什麼呢你們要增加也好原來24億的規模變成25億過500萬規模都好但是我要看你們執行的一些細節啦就是說我這錢用在哪裡鼓勵哪個方向那我這個專案的資格的成效你們現在專案走這個對等關稅專案的現在有幾件啊 |
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目前8件就8件那加起來的放貸額度多少220萬美金 |
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三百二十萬美金所以我們的擔保就十分之一大概二十二萬美金不是十分之一而已我們九成的擔保這個專案我們擔保我們負擔的錢我們負擔的九成我們幫他擔保九成但是我們支出的金額沒有到九成啊沒有沒有目前一刻錢都沒支出擔保的意思是說將來如果他錢沒有按照例行的利息或者是本金繳還那時候銀行才會來找我們我們要代位求償 |
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還多耶 那是單位協調還要付出 現在沒有付出你負擔的是風險嘛 成本負擔比例多少有利息補貼啊 有一些作業的東西那個都很低啦 很低很低 對我今天先提這一塊就是說 海外信保的規模其實太小啦真的太小 太小啦 你為什麼做不到那些大家的你說鴻海啦 TSMC 因為這規模太低了他自己的品牌名字去海外借款就可以取得低利了 |
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我們現在幫助的是中小企業他也許第一次來這個國家那他們國家銀行的利息跟有往來的銀行利息美國那是自由市場會差三到六倍所以我要幫他降低成本那由國家資本做擔保他的風險會降低所以我希望看到的海外信保你們要把自己當成就是我們對海外台商台橋的 |
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銀行一樣你那個操作的方式讓我們看到好 了解他們也知道怎麼跟你們接觸我們多來跟國內銀行溝通然後你們的風險 曝險的控管當然都是國家資本嘛我們並沒有要真的去去賠那個錢所以每一年的報告裡面也要涵蓋說我回收多少是 |
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不良的債有多少我們每年都有在回申那個報告要清楚呈現這樣在預算審查上才有依據該做這是幫助我們國民但是也該審查因為這是我們國家預算在支出的好不好 是的好 謝謝好 謝謝王委員好 謝謝王定一上來質詢接下來有這個馬文卿周圍上來質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請委員長有請委員長 |
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馬昭薇好 委員長好 剛剛其實有非常多的委員大家關切的這個政策方向還有我們的預算大概都是大同小異不過我們還是要特別再來探討一下就在115年當中分別在橋校發展 |
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暨文化社教輔助以及僑生回國升學暨僑親培訓研習的工作計畫裡面我們都編列了擴大培育以及留用僑生的相關費用那有關的預算已經達到12餘億 |
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那在這個新增的部分將近4億元政府高達50%所以這些新增的預算主要用的面向剛剛有委員其實也有詢問到那委員長也有提到可是要在這裡特別提可能請教的就是說我們在 |
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學校的校數上面還有在科系的系所以及在人數上面有哪些變化因為我們的增幅高達那麼多是我們預估值希望推動這樣子的一個目標數還是我們有這樣子的一個可能的成果 |
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跟委員說明一下我們第一年的時候如果進來2000那就只有2000個學生在學校到了第二年的時候又多增加4000所以留在這裡的變6000然後到了第三年又再增加 |
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六千人加上去就變一萬二所以是因為這個人數的累計以至於我們現在要補貼的這些叫做學費的金額就一直在往上墊我們知道它有累計的可是因為它有離開的然後離開的還是少數啦這樣子的一個數字嘛所以我們現在說它增加五十趴的這個部分它是不是有達到這樣子的人數 |
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委員現在講的是這個113年的成效那個時候確實沒有很多配套措施以至於學生在學習上面有一些適應不良或者障礙離開的狀況我們就是因為在那個時候一直發現有類似情形因此我們在114年跟115年我們才會有這麼多的新的政策去輔導他這也是為什麼現在115年預算額度會相對增加現在有增加嗎 |
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還有人數科系都有我們現在一年級到二年級我們都有在追蹤一年級到二年級二年級到三年級然後三年級畢業對接科技大學這個我們都有在追蹤那現在如果說相對的這些都有增加的狀況底下本期過去也曾經提醒過因為我們在很多的開設的比如說可能像服務類 |
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然後製造業營造業還有機構看護長照農業電子商務等等其實大概以這些來看我們可以看得到製造業可能是我們的班級合併的人數還有學校班級數最高的 |
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它的比例你像我們現在比如說我們營造業在國內其實是有非常大吃緊的一個狀況那機構看護的部分也是因為長照已經是國內非常重要的政策那照理說我們其實在整個行政團隊的一致性上面還有我們的預算的編列我們應該在整體的政策或者對於國家應該培育什麼樣的人才因為我們編了那麼多的預算我們當然不是只為了 |
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要讓一些學生因為我們現在已經把那個標準放得很低他甚至可以說中文他就可以來了所以變成我們可能這樣子的一個人才的來源也是我們培育的重要的一個方向那在我們這些這麼欠缺的情況底下因為像製造業我們核定的人數高達3470人可是像營造業我們大概只有90人 |
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機構看護也只有170個實際的學生人數就更低了機構看護才53位而已跟製造業的2700多位比起來其實差很多可是我們現在更欠缺的是像這樣子的一個政策取向因為我們培育的都不是來一年他就走嘛 |
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至少都4年還有7年這樣子的一個我們編列預算我們去置入不管他的學費生活費獎助學金等等那這樣子我們希望可以結合我們國家未來政策的一個走向這個部分我們可以怎麼做因為現在看起來我們沒有朝這個方向去做更多的一個努力或者應該著墨的地方 |
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委員關注的確實是一個重點那國內因為在開營造業跟機構看護的學校跟班級數都偏少所以每一次我們在招募期上我們是開放給學校來申請 |
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願意來申請學校第一個在營造跟看護的部分就相對偏很低所以我們也一直鼓勵一直主動去問有相關這種科系的學校願不願意來做這樣的一個計畫 |
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那這種科系的學校本來在國內也是偏少啦真的偏少那有了我們都去詢問他們鼓勵他們說希望他們可以來跟我們這個專案合作那有些學校有跟我們反映他說雖然我們願意做這個合作可是我們因為是產學合作的產產的部分他沒辦法銜接 |
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所以因為這樣他就說他不做了委員長我們講一個比較實際的一個狀況好了因為其實現在製造業他需求的面向而且還包括服務業其實他是很直接的那現在立即可以讓這些產權合作的對象其實他們可以就去做相關的協助 |
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可能用這樣比較表面的一個說法可是我們現在要說的是今天這是國家整體的預算我們投入在這裡我們希望它就是在長遠的政策面上它是可以輔助的因為他們這些相關的產業或者製造業的這些相關的他們要的是立即可用的人力所以我們現在提供的就是立即可用的人力 |
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可是我們要的應該是整體配合未來政策走向不然我們到時候也是我們會繼續努力我們增加這麼多的預算我們還是希望可以朝這個部分配比上我們希望能夠增加長照跟因為它是我們國家未來在發展上面它事實上就已經面臨的問題它有很多製造業甚至可以用無人的方式取代所以我們在政策 |
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還花了這麼多的預算的情況之下我們希望我們眼光可以看得更遠我相信這個委員長可以看得到因為你是比較積極的然後也願意面對問題我們更希望因為這個政策是國家整體的以後誰都會碰到那這一個部分應該要在我們的預算上面可以去協助更多的學校讓他們也把眼光看遠因為這個可能才是未來的市場 |
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或者未來的需求人力上面應該配置在那裡因為很快的有很多的人力是會被取代的尤其是像製造業或服務類之類的那這個部分委員長有什麼看法或做法 |
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我們會再積極的來找幾個相關單位包括教育部以及衛福部來商討看怎麼樣協助學校在跟產的部分去做好的可以連結那學校因為現在第一個就是 |
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要鼓勵他們多辦這些科系有這些科系我們才有辦法來招募培養學生那第二個就是說在產的部分怎麼樣讓他們在對接上比較容易一些這部分我們也會找包括勞動部經濟部衛福部等單位來協商看看怎麼讓學校與這個產業單位進行一些好的媒合的這個機制讓這個實習上也可以比較順利一點 |
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本席相信以委員長你在對於事情的一個運作上面可以在掌控這麼多的說很多跟其他比較起來也許不是可是在掌控有這些資源的上面還有預算的上面其實我相信你一定可以開發出一些至少要做出一些成績因為如果說像這樣的人數其實是非常的低對於我們的這個政策取向 |
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其實可能是不足的那這個部分期待我們一起朝這個部分去做努力那另外就是剛好藉這個機會今天去尋找我們的預算審查邀請委員長趕快把時間定出來因為委員已經排出來了我們已經是最後一個了到時候會說我們要拖延預算審查好的 謝謝委員感謝 謝謝趙薇謝謝馬文君 趙薇諮詢那接下來有沈伯陽委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請委員長 謝謝好 請委員長 |
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因為今天是預算所以我想問一些預算的事情這一次我們可以看到跟上一個年度比起來有幾個比較明顯的增加相關的一個當然就是跟僑民僑團聯繫的業務我覺得這沒什麼問題僑商經濟可能跟之前我們在講說不管是要應對關稅等等之類的這個應該是有關係 |
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那再來有這個僑生回國升學所以我想說針對這幾個來做一個比較細項的詢問第一個就是說這個執行率這看起來是比較沒有什麼問題那我看到就是因為我們現在這個海外保證基金這個我好像是在之前已經問過一次了 |
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可不可以让我们再知道一下现在这一个方面它的执行的状况因为毕竟关税真的就是一直都在改变当然最近是比较稳定了针对这件事情有很多人需要申请吗需要这一个保证基金吗还是说它的使用状况还好 |
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會來使用我們的基金的企業規模相對沒有那麼大因為我們原來的基金保證的額度只保到200萬美金那是因為我們的基金規模本來只有22億所以我們能夠做的保證不能那麼高 |
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那現在我們希望說把它提高到300萬的最高受信的額度那這樣的話我的基金規模要隨之提高到30億其實在10年前就已經編列我們要增資到30億啦可是因為過去這幾年當中呢我們基金的來源有4成是要去募款6成才是國家預算撥補的那可是因為募款這一方面呢過去幾年一直停滯都沒有前進了 |
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一直到去年呢我出來積極的跟很多金融機構遊說他們才開始又捐錢所以去年開始他們捐了7000多萬所以我就相對撥補他7000多萬我就要撥補1億500萬所以我一年募到多少錢我就要 |
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對多少錢進去那我們的目標當然是一直做到30萬為主那30萬的話我們這樣子可能性就來貸款的額度高一點的話企業規模也會大一點企業規模大一點那尤其是現在要對美投資的話他需要的資金規模確實要做大所以我們即便現在是30億也都還不夠可是我連30億我都還沒達到我就不用講其他了所以我現在就是在很低的標準之下努力的在往前邁進就對了 |
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因為有時候跨過一個坎能夠有的企業就變很多對 沒有錯所以我們這幾年也有在跟國發會討論這件事情就是說其實做海外信用保證最有經驗的就是本會的信用保證基金另外一個是中國輸出銀行這兩個單位做海外的信保相對是最成熟的中小企業基金當然他們也很成熟但他們對的都只是國內的 |
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金融機構而已對海外的他們不一定相對有經驗因為我們做的還包括海外的銀行不一定是國內的銀行而已所以在這樣的狀況之下現在因為對美投資或對歐投資對日投資相對都增加很多所以這些的投資案呢我們必須要有比較大的一個準備希望說基金的規模可以相對做大一點那這樣子我們信貸受信的額度也可以把它隨時提高 |
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那這樣未來我們再配合這些相關政策的時候比較容易去做一些專案的運作否則以我們現在的結構來講老實講是蠻難運作的對 因為這個我覺得我們也是要跟對方競爭所以我一直很關心這一個議題那另外一個剛好延續剛剛這一個議題就是說 |
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因為我們都知道海外的這個孔子學院當然都已經漸漸比較凋零一點因為每一個國家都比較認知到中國想要利用孔子學院做什麼那我們現在開始有這一個TCML的這個預算編列我認為這當然是非常重要 |
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因為這一個 我有看到這一個新聞就是說走訪各國 獲得肯定等等之類的但現在不管是失資 還有什麼就是我們所編列的預算要達到這個以往的規模當然是很難但是目前的進行狀況如何是否可以請委員長跟這個人民報告一下 |
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我們目前在美國設立了64所中心然後在歐洲設立了20個中心今年度呢在年初三個月內我們又在日本、澳大利亞、紐西蘭以及加拿大又在成立了10個所以加總已經快接近100個中心那我們的目標當然不是說只有到100個中心我們就滿意的 |
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是因為我們希望說在全球可以持續的推廣華語文的市場而且透過這個平台可以建構跟其他國家的主流社會CVO Society能夠多一些交流的機會在文化 價值 經驗等等的所以這一部分我們的華語文中心所扮演的角色不是單純只有語言的教學 |
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他的這個概念呢是為什麼國務院近期發現我們的一些做法他們深表肯定我們會主動去找包括企業包括地方的一些公務的單位Public LibraryPolice StationFire Station |
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或者是local government等等各種專班計劃那這些事實上就是可以跟各種不同的系統對接因為我們外交單位除了說governor to governor的系統以外在民主國家我們也需要擴大這個base所以我們事實上也是在建構這種廣結善緣的概念 |
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那我們現在這個師資師資大部分來講就是是在當地找還是我們只能在海外因為我們的教學對象都是國際人士那必須用他當地的語言這是為什麼我無法從國內派師資去國內的師資都不會當地語言他只會華語本身可是他不會教就沒有用了 |
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所以我們都是用當地的師資就是說他已經很熟悉當地的語言而且也知道當地的文化社會背景等等這樣他教學起來呢會對國際朋友比較有具體的幫助那我們在歐洲的語系總共已經有八個版本了那麼在亞洲的語系有三個版本 |
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所以加總起來我們現在有11套雙語的教材在進行教學所以哪怕我們只是在一個人口很小的包括什麼匈牙利或者是捷克我們都還是有雙語教材的版本所以要會使用我們雙語教材版本國內的師資是沒有辦法應付的不過這真的是軟實力的展現包括這個國家的大小因為 |
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在很多國際組織一個國家就是一票能夠做到這件事情其實對台灣是非常大的一個幫助而且我們是在成本很低很小的規模之下在運作那因為後面還有兩位委員在等我這個很快帶過去或者說我大概帶過去之後呢我們之後再來在書面來討論就好就是說因為我們現在有很多這個僑外生那因為之前有一些這個建交生權益的事項的報告我看到這一個報紙有整理 |
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那他們有一些說他們認為說他們會遇到比較多的問題啊比如說對於這一個語言的訓練啊夠不夠啊等等之類的就是他們都會有一些有一些不滿但他們希望加強的地方所以能夠針對這個地方呢再做加強我覺得也是小委會未來應該蠻重要的一件事這個我們就等到我們會好好地來了解這個報告我們進步提出相關的配套來執行好 謝謝委員長好 謝謝陳委員 謝謝謝謝 謝謝主席 |
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好 謝謝接下來請鍾嘉斌委員上台質詢主席 蔡唐委員先進列席的政府機關司長 官員 會長 公眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們徐委員長請徐委員長 |
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今天我們來關心一下旅外僑胞聲援台灣的國際處境我們如何強化僑教中心服務僑胞的量能請問盧比歐跟魯比歐是不是同一個人是同一個人為什麼中共要把他改姓 |
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據說之前他被列為這個禁止進入中國的不受歡迎人士是的 這個委員長很了解中共他說這個參議員盧比歐的時候呢反中共所以制裁他但是他當了國務卿是盧比歐要歡迎他好 那請問一下 |
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戰爭部跟退伍軍人事務部你覺得中共比較會不能接受哪一個去訪問戰爭部戰爭部就把他當成假想敵嘛對那退伍軍人事務部可能這些美國的退伍軍人還會去中國旅遊啊對好那請問一下在我們中華民國政府體制外交部跟僑委會在中共眼中哪一個要特別打壓 |
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他們當然是所打壓外交部那為什麼因為是官方的機制難道你不是官方的機制嗎這個就是奧妙之所對就是中共的認知外交部是代表國家主權的不能夠讓中華民國有一個代表國家主權的部長來我這裡訪問但是僑委會是照顧中華民國人民的是不是這樣是所以委員長你比較可以在國際上 |
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比較可以閃過中共的打壓我比較有彈性比較有彈性可以去關心我們的僑民也可以去拓展我們的外交嘛是的那我們的外交不是只有靠外交部啊是不是包括僑胞對我們看一看就在5月19號就在昨天聲援台灣加入WHA是不是 |
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去的人是誰都是僑胞都是僑胞嘛都是你的服務對象嘛對就在去年勝選台灣加入國際民航組織的去的是誰也是僑胞也是僑胞嘛也都是你服務的對象嘛對所以僑胞對我們台灣的國際處境外交很重要嘛所以中共要打壓他有困難 |
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中共要攔阻你去訪問這些國家也很困難但是這些僑胞的情感他們的生活我們要去服務對不對其實他們的情感聯繫跟文化傳承他們是靠誰我看一下成年的僑胞他們需要的是情感的聯繫在當地的國家文化不太一樣要找自己有文化背景一樣的 |
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他們的後代希望能夠傳承所以情感的聯繫更快的傳承我知道我們僑委會啊有僑民處 僑教處 僑商處 僑生處哪一個要負責這個工作 |
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這些大部分都是在我們駐外的同仁有的是合宿辦公有的是在喬教中心那我們在全球有16個喬教中心所以喬教中心就是扮演這個其他部位不能取代的經濟部或許可以協助喬商那麼其實呢很多的單位啊移民署可以協助喬民 |
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但是最重要最重要的就是這個喬教中心是喬委會其他部會大概所沒有的功能是不是這樣好那我們有多少喬教中心你剛剛說了有16個對不對對好那這些喬教中心我知道我去過好幾次啊有的好像是自己的獨棟的building對有的好像在大樓裡面的一個房間對那目前的情況怎麼樣 |
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跟委員說明,我們現在在北美洲有12個那12個呢,加拿大一個是自購,美國的11個其中有3處是租賃好,因為我們在談預算啦我比較關心的是你有自購的,有租賃的 |
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欸我知道在國外有些地方租金很貴欸真的很貴是我知道其實我常有去新加坡啦我們的那個同大子說啊他那個還是租的房東常常跟他提漲房租每一年都提漲每一年都提漲對那你們怎麼又想要租的比較貴啊為什麼沒有想要買下來呢 |
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這也就是過往本會曾經有過採購的狀況但是後來都因為個別不同因素就有刪除後來就沒有成功但近年來我們是一直發現說我們的業務費用事實上在付這些房租就越付越多因為我們的業務預算又沒有什麼成長 |
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所以相對的變成要執行業務的預算就越來越少那漲級這樣下去我認為不是辦法所以應當要由資本門來支出才是正辦你們每年的資本門有占多少比例很少很少 總署知道嗎行政院知道嗎 |
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近年來已經知道 因為我也去報告了是 好 我希望您很負責 因為在審預算我們都知道 其實中央政府都其實都會在強調資本們的投資他們比較會優先考慮經常 因為是經常維持費用那如果是像僑委會可以對 |
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住留在海外的僑胞長期的做業務經營你們資本門的投資是有必要的你們可不可以做一個投資效益的分析讓本席也讓主席總書知道如果你們有限的預算當中撥多少在資本門它創造的效益可以讓你們經常們 |
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不會受到太大的影響而且經常們的支出可以用在必要的活動上跟委員說明 事實上在20年前應該說20多年前外交部就已經有這樣的一個長期計劃也就是說他們在海外的外交部有一個狀態人的計劃那你們沒有 |
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我們一直都沒有所以我近年來就是希望說我們也來做一個所以今年我確實是打算在116年度提明年度的計劃案希望說這個可以得到行政院長的認可然後主計總署的贊同以及大院的支持如果在這樣的一個條件之下我們就可以在明年逐步落實還有六個管處我們是租賃的狀況之下可以把它逐漸的解除 |
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我们政府不是投报率我们看的是投资的效益请您把资本门跟经常门分别的效益做出来近年来其实只要是在海外用采购案的地方我们不但是这些房地产都 |
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有增值啦增值除外呢還有一個好處是大部分的海外一般投資者他還要付很多稅金但由於我們是外交單位所以我們是不用付稅金的投資還免稅對所以這對我們國家來說絕對是一個好處在現在歐美這個房價也很高漲然後物價又年年波動然後房租每年跟我這樣10%的狀況之下我們真的是有苦說不出啦好這個 |
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這個做金之門的一個配比的一個適當的投資效益的分析請也給本席一個報告好不好那我們希望你們您年度的預算趕快提出來好的向行政院謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝接下來請楊瓊英委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席 楊群發言邀請委員長請委員長 |
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楊委員你好委員長好我們國內國外我喜歡你的外套顏色謝謝希望把這個喜悅讓我們的僑界更好是好我們看到僑委會一百一十五年度的預算僑生回國生學暨僑親培訓研習擴大培育以及留用僑生的部分呢我們的經費是編列在十一點三億左右對那你的目的要攜手這個產學合作這個僑生專班 |
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那擴大保健單位規模以及招生推廣的作業那可是我們看到比較去年度的預算是7.5億左右所以你的成長是49.37%請問委員長 增加了大概50%的預算你要如何的去做你的計畫又跟以往有什麼不一樣 請您說明 |
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跟委員說明因為我們的學生人數是一直累計加上去的第一年的時候只有兩千個人第二年變成六千個人第三年變成一萬兩千個人第四年呢再加上七千上去變兩萬人所以那個學生的 |
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學費是一直人數增加第二個是因為學費的調漲去年度以前有一部分學費是由教育部幫我們撥補但教育部認為說這一部分未來他們不再幫我們撥補重點在這裡 等一下跟你討論這個一樣的計畫 但是教育部不跟你撥補對 所以我要自己編組預算因為你的人數增加會增加將近50%的預算所以你重點在這裡 為什麼不撥補 |
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老實講因為以前早期的時候我們的規模還很小所以教育部覺得說跟你們撥補一點沒有影響那麼大但是隨著我們的這個人數一直節節的高升那個教育部已經覺得給我們撥補的預算額度已經佔到他們原來的一些他們自己的業務費用了 |
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就這個議題我們提清楚原本教育部有撥補現在不撥補違建預算到你這裡來因為我們看到49.37%我沒有看到你的計劃有什麼更改所以重點在這裡另外也就是你們所提出的有五大類 |
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五大類我們要結果論看你們的這個結果也就在113年度裡頭呢你增加了服務類科那最重要的產學合作當中你又分為五大類我看了這個結果你的結果招生達成率當然都是在這個營造業雖然它規模比較小但是還是達到大概92到93%左右但是我們反觀的製造業 |
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製造業雖然人數多但是你的比例是只有78.13%還有一個最嚴肅的一個議題也就是在整個長照的部分呢你是最薄弱的是只有達到31.18那既然我們提出了這五大類絕對有你的理由也就是市場的需求那你比例從92% 93%一直到 |
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有31點多長照的部分似乎是現在全球非常重視的所以本席也給你建議這一個部分你的比例九成多跟三成多你這三成多要怎麼樣去調整你到底是招生不易還是根本也留不住根本人家沒有興趣還是我們的計畫內容要有所需做調整請做說明 |
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謝謝楊委員關心因為剛剛我們馬昭偉也有關心這個同樣的狀況那長照類科確實是相對很困難因為第一個有開設長照類科的學校不多然後 |
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加上這些長照類科的學校要去找到能夠跟他對接的服務型機構這個實習計畫也相對不易所以剛剛我有承諾說願意針對這個相關的狀況找衛福部勞動部經濟部你這樣就對了你剛開始的回答本期不滿意社會市場需求是需要的 |
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那你說你第一個招生不易第二個對接機構沒有那可是我們現在外務部每一年增長的經費是等比級數的增加所以你們橫向根本沒聯繫嘛橫向要好好去聯繫把這個部分去調整因為這是未來整個全世界每一個國家都非常需要確實確實那接下來本席要跟你討論的你這個 |
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這個流用橋外生的部分你從112年到115年你總經費是36億多嘛那到今年那你的目標要到2030年四年一個計畫你到2030年你預計要流用的這個橋外生你的KPI是這個17萬人海外青年技術是包含外籍生以及橋生那你目前為止你每一年流用的有多少人 |
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因為還沒有畢業因為我們這個第一期計劃今年是進入第四年第一期計劃要到1.15年今年才會開始有第一批畢業的那所以為什麼過去這幾年我們很急著要調整各種方案 |
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但居然能夠預估2030年要達到17萬人海軍的部分是1萬人的訓練那請問你們到今年年底你認為留用的可以有多少人我其實還蠻有信心的因為我們的方案多少人請告訴我數字我們希望達到我們開出來的目標目標是多少你說今年底嗎對啊當然啊今年底就看今年畢業的人數有多少你的數字多少告訴我數字今年度畢業的人有幾個 |
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才不到一千人耶今年因為是第一年而已第一年要畢業的人很少所以本期就要告訴你全部畢業的一千人不可能百分之百留用的所以在這樣的情況之下我們不要話速要實際上的留用人才 |
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才是最重要的喔因為你自己已經預估2030年在往後的四年你要到17萬那你今年只有明年後年大後年就會突然增加很多因為那個是招生元額數的問題第一年我們只有2000人不到來入學而已我們要看的是留用的人才 |
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所以在台灣從事專業工作的比例你到底培訓這些人是讓他能夠有專業的工作職還是只有一般性質的作業我們都希望我們的目標是朝向他們要專業工作 |
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而且以後能夠長期永久居留因為我們需要的人才是既然我們培養出來了我們希望留他們下來能夠長期永久的所以我們因為制度也調整讓他們能夠永居的申請放寬了所以我要一個討論因為永居放寬本席也一直非常的關心因為我們在中部地區的基礎產業非常的完整的一個產業鏈是的 |
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所以很多到這邊他沒有辦法留下來這浪費我們的技術跟人才所以我們一直努力去年感謝大院修法通過感謝所以我們一起努力把這個完成目的要留住這個人才所以我們不希望說他只是一個人頭數的一個計算而是希望能夠真正人才我們要實質的人留下來非常重要最後一個議題我跟您討論我們上週剛回來也就是我們看到焊點的例子我非常敬佩這個 |
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女老闆是那她到了英國之後呢食品業要在英國得到食品工廠的license認證那是非常不簡單很難而且是海外的第一家是的那所以因此像她是一個成功的例子但是我們知道很苦的還沒有成功的更多對所以已經有一個成功的範例出來她也運用在這個疫情的時候呢自己趕快去上課拿到證照員工去上課 |
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度過這兩三年最痛苦完全沒有業績所有餐廳停止的這個狀態這個就是我們台灣人的精神在什麼樣的樣態我們都努力但是政府的角色做了什麼呢本期非常的希望尤其在中小企業方面 |
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因為現在歐洲國家對於我們台灣對於人民友善他是信任的對國家的底氣他是肯定的他是也是讚許的在這樣的情況之下也就是我們政府做最好的介入點因為整個底氣人民是信賴的是和善的 |
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是互相關懷的這不簡單 就像一家人一樣這次我們去的感受就是如此所以像漢典這個例子鹹酥雞 香腸那個刈包 牛肉麵做的比當場煮的在我們台灣煮的這樣一模一樣 甚至潘公公大家非常的讚許不只是我們台灣到那邊大家很喜歡 冰箱打開都有漢典的食品 |
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這個成功的例子 本席要請問在這個過程當中你們扮演什麼樣的角色本席非常的希望也就是說僑路會聯繫的相關單位也不是只有你 外交部以及相關的單位我們怎麼樣去協助他們在海外大拼的台商這是政府的責任啊 請做說明 |
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其實焊點這個例子是一個非常重要的例子那我們有把他的例子也做收集以後呢邀請他也跟一些相關想要做同樣業務的人去做分享包括他怎麼樣去拿到證照包括他怎麼樣去申請這個相關的認證等等 |
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這一位漢典的女老闆叫Rebecca事實上我四年前在最艱困的時候已經去看過她了那她後來也非常熱心做我們的僑務榮譽職人員那她就很願意去分享教導其他的人這個也給我們很重要的一個經驗就是說我們可以把她的SOP累積起來因為您也是很這個 |
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願意做事的然後我們幫他了解一些通路介紹一些通路要求的就是說你們應該有這麼好的一個成功範例他在這個兩三年的過程當中真的我們不知道他怎麼度過來的 |
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但是政府的角色在哪裡呢這是我們要問的既然已經過了他自己獨立可以這麼做政府更應當要協助所有到那邊的台商尤其在中小企業所以我具體要求你們應該要協助中小企業呢作為也就是說你們要去設計中小企業他 |
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這個台商你們怎麼樣去幫助他們的一個媒合嗯媒合這個非常的重要那有了這個成功的例子那比如說他光光食品 |
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哪一些可以哪一些不可以同時有了他的一個資助台灣其他的像我們自己的春水堂我們的珍珠奶茶我們的那個他的豆干啊泥雪啊就透過他的系統將 |
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英國相關的市場的政府的法規通路以及他可能遇到的這些風險政府應該去把它統合起來做一個樣板等於是一個SOP流程做一個成功案例的展現對 廣泛的去宣導 讓大家有信心這是政府必須要做的 你認為如何呢 |
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可以 我們會加強這方面的一個工作趕快去做這個成功案例各類的SOP流程然後趕快去廣宣讓大家更加的加成這個效能出來這一點是非常重要因為我很感動的我們所有的台商在外面打拚是 我們也很謝謝韓院長所帶領的團去跟我們台商加油對 是很辛苦所以政府更應該要做好職責跟當他們的靠山就誠如院長所說我們台灣就是台商的娘家 |
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我們今天兩家人來啦當了你們的靠山啦但是不是只有來啊而是要有所作為好不好我希望盡快可以看到你將這一些各類的成功的範例來作為一個 |
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宣導來一個媒介好的 謝謝楊委員你多久時間可以給我們這些的範例好 我們會加強這個把楊委員所說的建議案我們盡量的來規劃好 你多久時間可以告訴我們可以讓我們看到我們今年度希望就能夠做到趕快加油好的 好 謝謝好 謝謝好 接下來請徐巧欣委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是有請徐委員長好 請委員長 |
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薛委員好委員長好那我想呢最近大家都非常關心的有關於這個台美之間那就是川普總統他在川習會之後的一些發言那發言的內容有很多我今天想要特別請教的就是關於呢川普總統他談到一段話他是這樣講的喔因為我可能我們用英文看會比較符合他的語意他就說They have somebody there就是有一些人 |
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呃,他們想要呢,go independent, well, it's a risky thing,他覺得很冒險,所以呢,如果呢,你去這個搞獨立的話,那呢,可能會,這個代表就是說,because they want to go into a war,然後呢,the figure that they have the United States behind them,I like to see it stay the way it is,他要保持維持現狀, |
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那這段話呢就引起在國內的一個軒然大波包含就是那是誰想要搞台獨然後搞了台獨之後是不是為了戰爭然後呢有沒有人因為這個美方這個會支持所以去搞這個台獨然後呢為了要打這個戰爭 |
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那所以這個是川普他說,無論如何,我不知道他哪裡接收到資訊,但他是這麼說的喔在這個FOX NEWS的時候訪問是這麼說的那我想要請教的喔,倒不是薛委員長的看法,而是川普這一類的言論出來之後,就您的掌握我們在美國的這個僑胞這邊,他們有什麼樣的回應跟什麼樣一些看法,您有沒有去做過一些相關的了解,我想要聽聽看嗯 |
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因為這個事情才上禮拜剛剛結束而已所以喬介目前大家是關心但是還沒有什麼具體的因為他只是在一個FOX的節目裡面做這個備訪的一個概念但是美國總統講的任何一句話基本上洞見斷尖不過他講完以後美國國務卿已經又出來聲明說基本立場完全不變 |
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總統 總統歸總統嘛 那我們林佳龍部長講話這個賴清德總統講話 大家認知上面也會覺得說我要先聽賴清德總統怎麼講所以先不要跟我說這個 我要問的是我想是這樣子 我要問的是草包 你們要去了解他們的態度就是對於川普總統這一系列 這只是其中一個他還有很多發言 什麼the place啊 the person啊 很多那我要問的是 草包他們有沒有一些反應徐委員報告 我們的 |
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僑胞基本上呢都是以維護自由民主的中華民國台灣為他們的中華民國台灣維護中華民國台灣是他們最重要的概念所以僑胞不是維護中華民國是維護中華民國台灣我們正式的國家名字變成了中華民國台灣是嗎 |
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這樣稱呼有錯誤嗎?我們的國家的國名叫什麼?正式的國名就中華民國啊那我們通常對外的時候會夾中華民國台灣啊因為我們剛剛問的是我們正式的國名嘛好,接下來我要問的是就是呢,2026年大洛杉磯台美人的傳統...即便是川普總統也是夾我們台灣啊他也是用台灣來稱呼啊不好意思,我剛跟你講到這個他說the place我還認為我們應該去跟他抗議 |
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我們還讓我們要去跟他抗議因為中華民國是一個主權獨立的國家不是一個地方他用一個place來稱呼我們我今天沒有要跟你argue這個川普的問題我今天要跟你講的是我們僑胞的事情好不好那在這個呢 |
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9056.497 |
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大洛杉磯台美人傳統週的系列活動裡面在LA的這個巴恩斯公園舉辦園遊會我請問一下我們僑委會的LA的僑教中心主任我看到他有去嘛然後呢 這個我們駐LA的代表也有出席嘛 |
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那這個活動贊助是不是僑委會也有贊助我們僑委會贊助了多少公務的預算跟委員說明今年度每一年都不太一樣那LA是我們僑民人數占最多的一個地區僑區我們全球的僑民是205萬那在美國占了 |
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20萬左右包括加拿大在內的125萬那在單單一個洛杉磯地區就30萬了是我問的是說那今年他們是這樣子他們跟其他區不一樣是他們把十幾個社團整合起來變成一個籌備委員會所以他們是把13項每一年的結合狀況不一樣有時候是7項有時候8項今年是13項13項的活動統整在一起一包所以我們補助1萬美金而已 |
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1萬美金才1萬美金而已 實際上是非常少的13項活動對於我們補助僑界的活動我是支持的32萬台幣我也覺得合情合理但接下來這才是我要問的就是說他們的這個宣傳的海報是長這個樣子就是您可以看一下有沒有什麼不太對的地方至少我們這種一點點錢 |
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不足以辦他們這種大型活動然後有些活動根本沒有用到我們的錢那這個有啊你剛剛不是說這個有用到嗎這只是其中一個活動我們補助的活動項目沒有包含這一項 |
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沒有補助援遊會沒有他不應該把僑委會寫在上面囉這麼說的吧因為他是在援遊會的海報底下寫的贊助單位有僑委會啊這是大的傳統州大的傳統州他們把所有東西都會寫出來那我知道委員他們想要怎麼設計海報這個都是言論自由我們不能去管他即便是中華民國我們僑委會贊助的活動 |
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在它上面寫的放的是台獨旗幟的時候哪裡有台獨旗幟我沒看到啊台灣旗啊WTC台灣旗這不是中華民國國旗啊 |
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這是他們社團的旗幟黨旗這也不是黨旗這是他們社團的旗幟跟民進黨的黨旗一樣這是全美同鄉會的旗幟委員你弄錯了本黨的旗幟不是長這個樣子的所以可能委員你要再去比對一下這一支是 |
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全美台灣同鄉會的旗子全美台灣同鄉會的旗子是的這是全美同鄉會的旗子並不是本黨的旗子本黨的旗子是十字架的喔跟這個完全不一樣的喔所以不要看到台灣就產生錯誤印象喔所以這個旗子是社團旗子全美台灣同鄉會它是長這樣耶 |
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那個是Logo不是旗子是他的臉書LogoLogo是Logo旗子是旗子旗子可能你們也許助理沒有Google到如果大家有看到一些遊行活動的時候所有的同鄉會都是拿這隻旗子出來但是這隻旗子並不是本黨的旗子我可以會後把我們本黨的旗子送給你們看一下好 同學們說這個是他們的一個委員這你搞錯了啦 |
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你們絕對沒有置入性說要去因為這是在美國的活動那他們自己要做什麼樣的設計基本上只要沒有違反我們基本的國家原則就好了如果要今天放了五星旗我當然也很有意見啊那放了他自己的社團旗幟我也沒有意見啊不是 |
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是也是屬於你認為的言論自由是嗎不是那個委員我剛剛已經講了我說正是他們他們是其中一個主辦單位嘛那主辦單位的旗子要放上去我能夠說什麼我難道可以說你不可以放你的旗子那我就是在干涉言論自由啊 |
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我們僑委會的local上面就是中華民國國旗啦我說你不會建議他們說那我們既然有贊助的話我不會建議他的原因是因為他們愛怎麼設計那是他們的自由只要他沒有違反基本原則我剛剛講言論自由就是這個概念嘛今天如果他有什麼國家的利益不好意思喔我剛剛講的不是民進黨的黨旗喔我剛剛講的是台灣旗我們剛剛回到上一張看一下好不好我發現你剛剛也誤解我的說法了 |
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這個是WTC臺灣旗它是近似於民進黨的黨旗所以你剛剛說這支旗就是全美同鄉會的旗因為世界臺灣人大會只是一個平台它並不是一個組織我的意思是說它是沿用那個我說你不應該是曲解我說你呢我沒有曲解因為你剛剛說了說這是我的黨旗但是我跟你講這就不是我的黨旗啊 |
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我上面講的是WTC的台灣旗嘛沒有妳剛剛不是這樣講妳剛剛說這是民進黨的黨旗啊基本上它就是因為相似於民進黨的黨旗所以被很多人去做了批評嘛認為沒有彰顯中華民國的主體性嘛我在強調的是這件事情嘛那所以說我會覺得如果我們今天中華民國的僑委會有贊助人家的活動那我們能夠把中華民國的國旗放上去嗎 |
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但是很可惜很可怕的是沒有近年來我們一直都是秉持自由民主價值的概念那在世界各國我們都是這樣跟僑胞說今天你們是到哪一國第一個首先你們要放該國的國旗 |
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至於其他的該國你住在美國你放美國你住在法國你放法國你住在英國你放英國我覺得這很合理啊因為他們都是當地人了嘛他們都是規劃成citizen喔他們是美國人喔他美國人他要做這樣的設計我當然要尊重他但是他如果今天放了五星旗我就不會補助他就這麼簡單我會把錢收回來但他今天也不是放五星旗在我們敵對國家的狀態那至於其他的設計我沒有辦法 |
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他要用黑熊還是要用什麼一個什麼這個海報這我能管他嗎這屬於言論自由的範圍啊委員我們要尊重人家所以你認為是說你認為這都沒有問題的這沒有問題啊好對啊我尊重你這句話因為我的認識就是一個社團的旗幟而已對 |
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他們這個旗子他被放但是問題是說現在我剛講到了包含整個台美關係包含這個活動是由我們僑委會去做的贊助的那你放了這個WTC的台灣旗之後會讓很多人他產生一些誤解所以我當然會希望說我們贊助的活動未來是可以讓我們有贊助的活動上面出現中華民國國旗他要兩個一起放也無所謂耶就是你說這是世界台灣人大會的台灣旗你放但是中華民國的國旗那不能放嗎 |
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不能建議他們去放中華民國的國旗嗎我沒有辦法管到這麼細的在全球發生的所有事情那你有時間跟錢可以去贊助人家但是卻沒有辦法跟人家講說如果我今天要贊助你的話我會希望我們在上面能夠看到中華民國的自治我一直都有把積極要件跟消極要件都有表達清楚了他們都沒有違反積極跟消極要件 |
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所以我們喬委會的戰術未來也是如今的今天只有他放五星旗我們才會干涉所以放五星旗不行這個我同意但是呢沒有放中華民國國旗你們無所謂這就是中華民國喬委會的態度對吧不是這樣子委員你誤解了你扭曲了我的話完全不是這樣子的就像你剛剛在講川普的那一段也是一樣你也是要把別人的話印塞在這邊沒有那是他講的啊他講的他哪裡沒有我剛剛用的話哪一句不是川普講的 |
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哪一句扭曲了?你告訴我哪一句扭曲了?他那個翻譯就很多東西是錯誤的了翻譯哪裡錯?哪裡錯?你說說看哪裡錯?哪裡錯嘛?哪裡錯?somebody不見得是有個人哪?哪裡錯?somebody不見得是有個人哪?somebody就是有個人哪?they arethey are在哪裡?they are在哪裡?they are是在哪裡嗎?台灣嗎? |
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只有一個人而已嗎?那這個翻譯是只有一個人而已嗎?意思是說這只有一個人嗎?你確定是哪一個人嗎?如果是一個人,他就一個one body啊不是,沒有人說they have one body的 |
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有一個人他在一個語句上就是somebodythey have somebody there nownow wants to go independent他們有人或你要講有一些人的口語應該寫說有人就好了而不是翻著有個人我意思就是說這個翻譯表達不精準是這個意思你也可以說有個人或是有些人有些人是不精準的有些人在哪裡都是我在陳述的意思那誰要搞台獨你對僑團的補助如果他違反了稀奇的消息要見 |
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我還可以把我部署團隊還沒有進去如果是有些人不合博如果是有些人不合博我就不合博就是這麼個道理你們全部都在講說有人要搞台獨是不是事實嘛 |
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川普有沒有這麼說?川普習近平就這樣講啊你問的是川普你不要講習近平他只是在轉達習近平告訴他的訊息而已啊他自己說的川普一開始出來川普一開始出來川普一開始出來川普一開始出來川普一開始出來川普一開始出來川普一開始出來川普一開始出來 |
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我那人是最精準的,在這樣的狀況之下,我覺得我們爭議這些事情是沒有意義的。 |
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我今天非常期待 他們就在講說有人在台灣要搞獨立嘛然後呢 要搞獨立的話 可能會有戰爭嘛然後你們不能因為美國 如果你認為要支持他們所以呢 就繼續這樣做下去 他希望維持現狀所以我們整體來說 無論你今天是朝委會 無論你今天是外交部 朝委會是內政黨總統不想回答 不想回答了是不是 |
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我們看一下我們那個我們可以看一下我們朝委會主委的態度我今天我好好的跟您討論的事情然後你跟我講說川普是因為接受了習近平的資訊所以他講出這些話然後呢再講這個話這都是事實啊我講的也是純粹事實而已啊那他有沒有同意嗎他某種程度來說他有沒有同意 |
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他轉世了這個訊息所以川普也有人講他只是轉一鍵瓶腳啊如果有別人家在你的門口叫囂不斷的指控你是怎樣怎樣然後你住在裡面你就全部從牌接受他的說法啊他也有我自己的獨立人權 |
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我們還是認為中華民國是一個主權獨立的國家謝謝委員長首先在這裡你不是黨員因為剛剛你提了很多次本黨在這裡你是中華民國僑務委員會的委員 |
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主題本檔是因為委員這樣質詢說你們檔他是這樣講的喔我現在要講的是這個部分那另外就是在尋答的部分我們就我們自己應該要表達的大家去講因為委員他質詢的內容你就你的回答的內容我覺得這個是應該可以去討論的那還是應該要注意態度啦就是這個部分 |
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我們也希望在因為對我們來說這一次川普總統他的發言對我們會我們要先結束我們的質詢嗎這個部分你看人家張磊在講話你也是這樣打斷你的態度怎麼樣我們還是希望是可以要重視的部分不是啊 我要張磊我在這邊我要抗議啊 |
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因為我們現在的這個僑委會的這個委員長的態度非常差即便在我們僑委好好的在講這個事情的時候他都要說我們是影響到下一位委員的權益耶那是我在要結束的時候啊你不願意結束嘛那你是不是你主要我講真的是不是你主要回答 |
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我們扭曲川普的發言然後呢你把川普說成是習近平的發言人一樣說他講的話都是習近平叫他講的那針對這個事情我當然覺得莫名其妙委員你現在又扭曲我沒有說的話塞到我的嘴巴了你的意思基本上就是這樣啦你也不是我的發言人委員你也不需要做我的發言人都是因為習近平的關係那你憑什麼做川普的發言人啊 |
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我們在台灣發布假如這件事情之後會對於僑界 會對於台灣造成什麼樣的影響結果你不只不承認他說了這些話你還講說那兩個是自己的所以他也不承認沒有 你是做攻擊性的 而且是扭曲性的回答我當然會糾正你啊 |
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我沒有你沒有所以你認為台灣沒有要搞獨立而川普所講的這些話都是基於中華民國台灣已經是主權獨立的國家我們要講幾次了中華民國是主權獨立的國家我們國家名稱叫中華民國沒有中華民國台灣所以我剛剛不是已經講了嗎這要重複幾次呢為什麼現在我們講國家的名稱的時候你又喊中華民國台灣呢你是中華民國的常委會的主委還是你是委員長還是你是中華民國台灣的委員長啊 |
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我最後問你一個問題,請問你的正式的職稱是什麼?中華民國的僑務委員會委員長。中華民國的僑務委員會的委員長。所以請你稱呼我們的國家叫做中華民國,謝謝。我剛剛已經這樣講了。好,謝謝。我剛剛已經這樣講了。我們態度還是應該…我沒有逼你的話,你會改口嗎?我沒有改口。你改口啊,你講說你是中華民國的嗎?不要講不贏就硬拗啊。 |
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好 謝謝接下來請黃建斌委員上台質詢好 謝謝主席 我們有請委員長好 請委員長 |
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華為你好 抱歉委員長好 早安我們剛才也上了很精闢的英文課不好意思 耽誤您的時間沒關係 我覺得都可以討論那我今天也要順便來藉著這機會我要跟委員長來談一下我最近遇到一些狀況是其實我前一陣子在一個餐會遇到一個泰國的台商那時間也聊到他在國外奮鬥的一些辛酸的辛苦的肝苦痰 種種種種那其實我在聊說那你有什麼需要我們可以來協助的 |
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其實他跟我說 我比較高興的不是我工作的事因為我在外都打拚了三四十年了 該出的問題我們都遇到差不多我現在比較擔心的是我的小孩也長大了他長年跟我在泰國然後他現在要面臨的就是繼續升學的問題以及兵役的問題那這兩件事似乎是很多在外台商他們擔心的就是他們下一代接下來要面對的教育跟兵役的問題 |
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剛好這邊因為這個台商跟我說他最大最大的心願我最大的心願就是希望我的小孩有一個人可以得益台灣了解我自己的故鄉 了解台灣的文化他學中文這件事情可是問題來了就是他從小都在國外長大 |
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他們學到除了是本像他在泰國就是泰文跟英文嘛對他對中文非常的不了解對那他貿然的要回來讀書的時候他能夠選擇的畢竟就不多可能就是要找全美語的這些科系的學校來就讀嗯哼可是他查一查之後全台灣只有三間 |
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這三間而已全美語科系所以他很擔心就是說他的兒子又面到即將要進入大學的階段他在等待的過程裡面他已經提出申請了可是他現在還沒有拿到通知委員 |
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因為他是僑生嘛 僑生申請我們的這個相關的僑生計畫當然有不同的類型如果他是華語的程度比較沒有那麼強事實上我們現在已經也有一些全英文的科系跟這個課程 |
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所以他可以申請這些科系或課程他的英文可以就足以來學習如果還有另外一種方式我們也會鼓勵一些原始如果華語能力不夠強的可以先讀我們的先修班一年如果他申請到科系不滿意我們有很多僑生事實上就是先來參加我們的先修班一年在師大的這個中心 |
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先做一年的這個學習之後隔年他再申請往往那時候他的華語的能力呢就會快速提升委員長我們現在台灣這樣子全英語的科系學校有幾間越來越多了目前就三間嘛對不對不只喔不只喔因為家長說他就只有知道這三間一個就是你想要四大一個是中山大學 |
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還有台大成大越來越多可能是他要去他要去特別去做研究所以有些可能他還沒有研究到所以他目前所掌握的資訊是三家但我可以去瞭解有大概九間 十間左右的這個就是本縣費給你請教的那這樣子他在 |
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當地他沒有辦法獲得這樣的資訊的時候未來我們僑委會在參加他們的參會也好你會也好是不是能夠透過活動來宣導讓他們知道說至少我現在我想他有哪些選項而不是他只能問台商或者問台商的朋友 |
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委員其實他不需要問這些 現在都有可以在網站上搜尋但是他就是找不到嘛 可能他的資訊有限嘛我們有一個機構叫做海聯招海聯會我們有個網站 那網站裡面也會標示出來本席就是說未來我們可以多多來宣導讓他們知道這樣子好不好 |
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好的那化相冰的問題也是一樣我也太會擔心說那我的小孩以後回來台灣的時候他是服十二天的補充液還是替代液還是這張面如果他要看他有沒有入籍啦當然我這個我們了解但是他不夠他不夠了解所以這個問題我們是不是可以多多來選擇讓人知道因為其實現在全球都在 |
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他就讀期間都沒有兵役問題 |
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我知道啦 我知道啦 我有這個變化了解啦所以當然這些東西 海外的台商或是僑胞他們並不是這麼了解但我們覺得很慶幸 也很感我覺得 其實我覺得也很感動就是他們在外這麼多年了 他們都沒有忘記他要學中文 要學華文要成為台灣人這件事情其實學華文的管道很多咧因為 文長你也知道 現在學 |
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華文的最多的是簡體中文而不是繁體中文他願意選擇只有三個還在用的繁體中文代表他對我們的認同度是有的嘛對他對中華文化對台灣這個土地他是有感情的這個本文我覺得我們要加強是是是我們會持續加強提供正體制教學在全球的這個市場讓想要學習華文的人呢優先來選擇我們正體制的教學 |
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這個我是確實有這樣子的規劃想要繼續推廣謝謝委員長包括這個以後包括強生來讀書或是國外的學生想要來台灣讀書的時候我們也可以提供這樣的環境讓他從熟悉的語言環境全英語的環境裡面慢慢的了解學習台灣的文化跟中文我覺得這是對於我們國際化 |
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打開是有很大的幫助好的 我們也會加強對海外僑胞這些相關資訊的宣導讓他們知道怎麼得到這些有用的資訊謝謝委員長謝謝黃委員謝謝謝主席謝謝接下來請 |
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陳永康委員陳永康陳永康委員不在請蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在請鄭振前鄭振前鄭振前委員不在請林倩琦林倩琦林倩琦委員不在請陳冠廷委員上台質詢主席麻煩請委員長請委員長 |
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陳委員你好委員長好委員長我今天稍早有聽到質詢有提到德州的僑民跟太空之間的關係可不可以簡單說明一下我們僑委會在那部分的我們在德州的休斯頓有一個僑教中心那休斯頓也是美國NASA的主要的 |
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這個據點那我們近幾年在推廣華語文的這個學習中心過程當中我們除了教語言事實上也是變成一個文化交流經驗價值分享的平台所以有很多的 |
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當地學員主流朋友跟我們表示如果能夠有更多可敬可觀察可了解的地方那這樣子有助於他們在這個學習上更多的這個理解那因此呢我就想說我們已經有的喬教中心能不能讓他優化跟升級所以把這個喬教中心納入了我們深耕計畫的一環就是這樣子開始那為了不讓每一個中心都 |
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的呃呈現而是能夠有主題性的跟特色性的所以我們都結合在地的一些呃主題性來發展所以休斯頓來說因為他是NASA的重要據點所以我們就用這個呃NASA的概念因為他們都是太空人嘛齁所以我們就叫做太空港 |
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由台灣的一個計畫希望用太空港導覽台灣這樣的一個主題呢讓當地的主流人士除了來看NASA的時候呢他也可以來我們喬教中心來認識台灣的各種文化的機會那所以在這方面的主題呢我們可能就會focus在台灣相關的這個產業的系統 |
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比方說我們也有在發展低軌衛星啊我們也有在發展太空啊等等跟產業及文化相關的資訊我們就會收集不論是用這個VR的就是說on digital的模式或者是有實體的我們就在這個中心裡面去做一個呈現這樣會有助於多介紹台灣的相關系統性的資料那除此之外在矽谷 |
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矽谷因為是高科技的研發中心的所在地所以舊金山灣區的這個中心我們就是把它定為主題叫做矽島高科技台灣中華民國不只是只有Semi-Contact的厲害 |
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那我們在軟體上也是在起起直追中那尤其現在在AI的發展的過程當中我們也有相當的一些產業鏈或者是一些軟硬體的規劃所以這些東西也是未來我們要進場展示在這個我們舊金山喬教中心的計畫這個都是我們115年要進行的 |
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第三個是我們在華府因為它是政治中心所以我們就以民主人權作為我們的展出主題所以三個中心在今年的規劃裡面都有具體的主題要去運作但我們希望這個預算要趕快通過老實講我們這個本來是年初就要開始做規劃執行但是我們因為預算這個還沒有審查通過所以我們老實講是延宕了啦所以這部分也跟我原作表達 |
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好 謝謝委員長那剛才提到的這些相關的議題最近我們有一個台裔的太空人也來訪台那其實在我們整個台灣的各大院校來分享他的這個科學跟探索太空的這些經歷那我想這就是利用台灣的軟實力來去做一個推廣 |
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以主題作為未來跟僑民之間的互動有些地方因地制宜在德州的時候是用太空相關的在其他的你說在舊金山或者是在DC有各種不同的做法 |
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這部分我們都是肯定因為我們不僅僅是要顧橋護橋而且我們還要強化僑民跟台灣之間的連結那這個連結可能是科技上面的文化上面的都可以特別是在科技上面的我覺得上一次台一太空人臨機而回台灣那造成的一個旋風那我們可以好好的運用這樣子的優勢那在我們對美國的這個 |
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應該是說論述模式上面可以更多元化是比如說我們過去不斷強調的民主啊自由這些這些當然是很重要的但是台灣遠遠不僅止於此那我們就看到說最近 |
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國際形勢變化非常的大國際形勢變化非常的大特別是在川習會之後那我們的論述不管是外交部或者是任何的社外的這些單位都必須要隨之做調整讓我們能夠用最大的實力來去達成我們想要實踐的理想那這一次 |
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賴總統去訪問非洲也好那或者是過去賴總統在這個太平洋的我們的友邦的這一些互訪那我們都必須要有一個更好的論述就是說我們台灣為什麼跟這些國家交往我們的僑民 |
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在這些國家又做了些什麼怎麼樣幫助到他們的國家也同時幫助到台灣那這些整體上面有一個完整的論述雖然說僑委會他的部會並不是像外交部這樣有這麼多的官員這麼多的資源跟人力但是他還是聯繫著我們在外面的僑民他的重要性還是有的是的思考怎麼樣是以 |
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在各個不同的地方以他們的產業作為主題來去推廣僑民跟台灣之間的連結那或者是我們跟他們這些國家的這些連結我想這些都是未來可以好好發展的方向我們希望預算之後也是可以往這方面去前進好謝謝好謝謝陳委員 |
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今天已登記質詢委員除不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議有陳永康委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄刊登公報委員書面及口頭質詢未及答覆的部分會要求補充資料者請僑委會兩週內以書面答覆委員有指定期限者從期鎖定以上如有涉及機密的部分請確實以相關保密規定辦理 |
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115年度中央政府總預算案關於僑委會主管收支公開及機密部分與主管兩項信託基金案本日完成報告及詢答令則其繼續審查預算提案於6月5日中午12時截止收件18、20及21日三天為一次會現在休息謝謝 |