iVOD / 17450

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IVOD_ID 17450
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17450
日期 2026-05-20
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-15-13
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 13
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2026-05-20T08:34:10+08:00
結束時間 2026-05-20T12:31:00+08:00
影片長度 03:56:50
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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會議時間 2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議(事由:邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形) ,並備質詢。)
委員名稱 完整會議
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員9人報告委員會出席委員9人,以主法定人數好,現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 相關作業基金特別收入基金基金基金信託部分審查一百審查二二八事件紀念基金會等五家財團法人審查國家住宅及都市更新一百一十五年度預算書案討論事項合併詢答委員李博益說明提案要旨內政部部長劉世芳報告委員蘇巧慧等十二人質詢由內政部部長劉世芳暨相關人員國家住宅及都市更新董事長花敬群答覆說明
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 第五 強化原住民族經濟產業的韌性在原住民族產業推廣以及國際拓展面向本會辦理2026原民好市台北銀村的活動我們並攜手幾家原住民族品牌來參加2026東京國際食品展拓展日本市場
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 另外公告產業推升計畫以及低碳或碳匯示範場域建置計畫以帶動部落產業的升級提升原住民主地區整體經濟永續發展的量能
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 此外為了要提升企業面對市場以及氣候挑戰的調適能力本會推動創業夠好創新成長的計畫促進研究民族企業創新與成長並且立設轉型以提升市場的競爭力並厚植產業長期發展的基礎
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 第六我們要營造遺跡的環境以文化傳承公共的空間依照國家希望工程的均衡台灣的政策目標以及2050年淨零排碳淨零排放政策持續強化部落基礎維生的防減災設施優化部落文化景觀興建及改善部落集會所同時推動特色道路的
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 路網規劃提升道路的韌性落實部落聯絡道路的養護以及建構部落宜居生活的環境最後本會將在原住民事務上持續深耕提升原住民族的協議層次期盼各位委員在政策推行以及預算支援上給予本會最大的支持與指教謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 原住民族文化事業基金會及原住民族語言研究發展基金會之業務報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報現在進行詢答委員質詢前原例做幾點宣告本會委員及原住民委員原例質詢時間5分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員質詢時間5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 本次會議就不處理臨時提案,請問各位委員有沒有意見?沒有那現在進行詢問,請登記第一位的許中信委員發言指詢主席、各位同仁,我們有請曾主委
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 委員好 主委好剛才您的報告有提到希拉雅民主的身份認同那麼現在也預計在六月行政院可以核定本席非常的高興我在陳大嬌著作權法
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 這個抽象的著作權法要如何發展成為文創產業這牽涉到台灣經濟的發展非常重要而我們原住民的文化是我們非常仰賴的一個文化所以我一直對這個有興趣那有幾個問題想要來請教您我們這九族來申請身份認定的嘉南平原只有西拉雅族還有大武龍族
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 那上面住什麼人啊這個台灣石故意裝糊塗我們不能裝糊塗所以我們希望主委啊能夠去做一個研究知道我們現在平地的台灣人如何虧欠我們原住民那這樣原住民要請我們國家來
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 所以我們如何來協助他們讓他們保持他們文化語言可以發展他們的社區這個非常重要我們原委會對我們這個做法在2000在今年6月以後有沒有具體的規劃 西拉雅族行政院如果合訂以後那就是合訂之後我們就趕快來就是說他們的身份先做趕快先做登記
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 對他們的歷史文化非常有幫忙以外對台灣的經濟產值發展文化產位是非常的沒有這個非常沒辦法被替代的懷寶
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 好 我們下一位請蘇巧惠委員發言質詢好 謝謝主席 我們請曾主委
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 主委好主委好主委我今天想跟您討論的是關於原住民族的托育量能那因為我今天在您的業務報告裡面看到提升原住民族健康照顧網絡這樣的內容很不錯了因為已經包含了長者照顧社會安全網還有就業保障但是我覺得很可惜的是我覺得看到這邊對兒童照顧的部分其實沒有提到所以
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 目前這個部分在很多的各年齡層的照顧就是這一塊我們就是漏掉那我們會即刻跟衛福部來做反應希望趕快補足這個缺口你不能說真的是漏掉啦因為說實在這確實是有一點難度啦
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 圍府比照剛剛的二到六歲這個圍府的這個部分已經上路了嗎你知道有還是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 沒關係如果有比較能夠入戲零到兩歲這沒有啦零到兩歲的話其實現在確實因為他連法源都沒有所以確實是沒有是沒有但是也不能說完全沒有為什麼因為我們在衛福部來我給你看下一個我們其實零到兩歲我們有事辦計畫
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 法源依據的部分主委我們現在已經可以跳脫事辦計畫了我們現在已經有法規依據了因為今年四月剛剛通過的兒童托育法裡面其實它在第十條已經有了讓我們也可以成立部落互助托育機構
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 我也謝謝我們會比照剛剛講的就是那個叫我中心來所以補助你可以承諾嘛只要可以設置的話補助這樣那執法的進度呢那我們就趕快跟這個衛福部討論一下好不好因為這個事辦計畫就算我們要依事辦計畫也只到12月31號所以
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 今天已經是要快六月了所以我希望這個部分可以不管你有哪一種都好但是讓我的教保中心可以趕快可以設立謝謝主委 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 我們下一位請廖先祥委謝謝主席,麻煩邀請我們的主委,駐主委
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 主委好,我以前在新北市議會有一個朋友叫馬建議員在今年五月初的時候他在臉書發了一篇文章是有關獵人的,我們今天業務報告有提到的原住民族自製獵槍的安全使用的一個訓練他針對這個訓練
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 園民會的開辦可能有一些意見我們後來園民會也有發新聞稿說是今年的總運算還沒有通過我想先請問一下主委去年有辦過相關的課程嗎去年有辦過兩場去年有辦過嗎那今年到目前為止呢
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 近年最近的話是辦過一場就是總值教師的今年就只有一場嘛本來說大家都知道總預算有延續性的例行性的經常門都是可以繼續的來使用那你說總預算沒過我其實我還確定你去年的預算規模是多少今年的預算規模是多少
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 那至少你到今年為止還辦不到去年的場次那就代表說我們在執行率上面不是因為總預算可能你這個超額的部分你沒辦法使用那我想請問主委就是在相關的訓練上面反正有一些原住民的朋友提出這樣子的一個討論
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 那請主委看能不能在這個場合那針對這一項的訓練來跟一些原住民族的好朋友來說明一下未來我們原住這個相關的一個訓練一些一些課程他大概會怎麼規劃那大概今年的場次會有多少那會不會有大家報名不了的情況發生
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 謝謝委員的指教我想這個自製列槍的這個安全訓練他本來就比較高的這個危險性那必須要找合格的靶場來進行實彈的訓練但是沒有關係我們在今年的部分在我們
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 在這個5月底就會上網我們7月開始就是接受辦理就是報名那8月開課我們今年預計在北中南東我們會辦理40場次的這個訓練40每一堂課最少要30個人最多50個人我們預計今年度至少可以培訓到1200個人取得合格的證書
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 然後讓族人向內政部警政署來合法申請使用列槍這是我們的目標所以今天的目標1200人次那從這個月底現在已經期中下旬了月底才開始報名那如果說未來有報名相關的一些問題的話再看請主委這邊來協助那場地的部分
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 請問都已經跟剛剛講北中南東的市區的場地都已經跟地方政府或者是其他單位接接好了嗎申請的這個比如縣市政府他申請那我們就會去看他要在哪裡這個辦理這樣的一個目前所有的場次的場地都已經先找好了嗎還是說我們先開放報名然後場次可能有些還在洽詢當中
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 我們預定的這個靶場也都已經在洽行當中了因為這個不容易啦因為這個真的是要實彈的這個設計不是有的時候不是縣市政府就能夠來找得到這個場地我們還要拜託像國防部之類的這樣有一些場地這個還是要比較嚴謹所以稍微我們就是會比較所以都有大概有預定的場地但是並不是每一個場地都已經完成了這個合約的簽訂對都有預定
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 那接下來這是這個原住民族文化的一個保留啦那當然一直以來我們這個政府都有在努力在做但一個文化的保留我舉另外一個例子好了地方創生好了 國發會的地方創生他們現在從單純的政府的補助慢慢的要去輔導業者他能夠自力更生那我想原住民的文化保留如果說一直以來都只靠政府的經負位挹注的話
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 我認為他可能只會越來越萎縮那或許他應該要結合其他的一些商業活動讓他能夠自力更生或是來做文化的一個宣傳我想請問一下我們園民會有沒有跟國防署有過相關的合作讓我們的園民的文化變成一個台灣知名的這個觀光的推展的一個亮點好
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transcript.whisperx[104].text 我們自己會裡面整個台灣我們差不多也有整理大概28條的經典路線那我們也跟交通部的觀光局來合作因為我們這些路線是跟平地的一般路線是不太一樣的那我們就是必須就是說有一些還要再更精進的部分當然也需要他們來協助幫我們行銷啦
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 我想這個部分這個可能或許是過去我認為原住民或許你們有做但是可能我看到的比較少的部分就是其實像台灣一直以來可能就是天燈的文化或者是外國那個泰國還有放水燈等等這些我覺得相關的文化的傳承跟推廣那他或許適度的來跟商業或是觀光
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 行為來結合的話那會讓他們更有這個保存下去的無論是動力或者是資源而不是單一仰賴政府的補助尤其是政府的單一補助常常會就像我們原民會一個組委你就是可能一組或甚至可能兩三組的一個身份而已但是原住民的組委有非常多組的我們沒辦法期待一個政府他能夠做到包山包海而是希望期待所有的原住民的文化他如果能夠
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 自主有自力更生自主的去把文化保存下來我想這個是最好的一個目標那當然我們政府就從旁來做一些輔助啦那也希望說未來再跟國防署方面的一個借接無論是國內的旅遊宣傳或是國外的旅遊宣傳跟航空公司可能他們飛機都有一些小屏幕嘛來對一些原住民的文化的一個推廣那我想對原住民的文化保存
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transcript.whisperx[108].text 會更有力道 那多管齊一下以上給園民會一些建議 謝謝我們請完美會委員
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 主席我們現在主委
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 公園,好主委,好早好早好早主委,剛才我延續我們的教委有說到內場訓練的問題主委,在這個過程當中你知道我們幾年基本規定有幾個人通過我們的訓練的證實嗎?來,主委,你回答一下當中才有九十八人
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 來,有規定,有規定到可以產生九十八個兩條兩條啦,這樣表示主委你做用心的,但是在用心當中,我覺得我們有不足的所在
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 不足的所在,您今年的意見,也有立法院職位所回答的今年要將近辦40張,第5位開始,現在已經5月20
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 再來北圍要上課,要辦40年,一直要一千兩百人可以訓練過在這個經費當中,我們的醫生來賓,你們要辦七千幾萬是不是這樣來,主委你回答一下好
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 那個會把委員報告 訓練是差不多一千兩百幾萬啦其他是要整理那個靶場啦
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要再買錢 還要
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 這是實彈的做法這有證詞的 不能讓外國人訓練外國人拿東西來訓練啊在這個當中 本席跟你探討的就是這個七千幾萬來賓 是先陷沒的因為我們的醫生 搞不清為止還沒過嘛跟你剛才也有解說 你雖然還沒過
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 但是你們有得做嘛 有得找地方嘛 是但是主委 我跟你請教一下現在已經五月底了 你要辦四十天到沒有前幾天 你有找幾天可以去阿芬的呢 來請你回答一下
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 主委喔 撇個薄薄啦 我們在這個宜蘭的四方林 這是正式的靶場主委 我跟你說 一定要有正式的啦 人家在那裡玩 人家在那裡做啊 是要怎麼讓人家站住像你所說的
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 我們要再去公佈 因為有所在地 照我們訓練嘛對 主要是 主要是我們譬如說平台不是啦 我現在即使啦 你說因為我們的探討嘛 是是是這條經費 還沒過呢 對即使探討當中 我們的經費 已經準備好了啦不是說議程 議程沒過 到底你們在這個議程裡面
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 你們準備好了嗎?是這樣?那我是問說,你議席40天的時候,你到目前為止,有多規矩嗎?我跟委員報告齁,其實這
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 到5月,我們已經都跟地方有說過了,所在也差不多找好了只要這個預算過了,我就馬上可以做了你剛才說要跟政府說要再找也要再找也沒辦法啦找比較困難的是找啊,但是...有困難的,找...報恩節70倍賬要找好所在啦主委,這樣也...
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 也要來勸勸你們的勇氣主委,我們現在在請問,台東的官署名是多少?是多少?是多少?也需要去那邊辦嗎?對來,主委,台東的官署名是多少?
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 嘉義縣一個阿里山啦 阿里山當然是沒辦法做 但是也有啦 我們也是在中部有辦啦因為主委 我是怎麼會去問這樣因為我覺得說 如果中所就的就我們南部的嘉義縣 不用去到中部在那裡訓練因為我們嘉義縣市 也有旁邊的地方可以訓練
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 因為最主要,我們都可以,每一位都照顧到東部也照顧,南部也照顧,中部也照顧
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 主委 本來在這裡你提供這個意見 跟你的方法去做在這裡 我覺得在這個過程當中你應該我們原住民的生活都已經有改善了你有沒有覺得現在原住民的生活和福利
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 是差很多,但是我們也要更加起來關心尤其現在最慌的就是網路的問題網路的問題,我們的前瞻有變成三十二億
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 在要鎮守原住民的網路可以他們的網路可以平全嘛在這個過程當中現在因為
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 頂端有風台嘛,我們也希望今天不要風台,平平安安在這個過程當中,這個三十二億都建設了再來,你們的維護裡面在一百四十四年到一百十五年你們的維護立定了,這樣夠不夠來,主委你回答一下
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 現在是這樣喔 委員在紫禪寺的部分 落後他們的維護費我們比較不必來跟自己玩但是在六都 六都議員的縣市比較困難我就是在問你這個比較重要 這個比較關心因為當然紫禪他們有他們的
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 管理他們的財政也好,現在就是另外一邊,我們要去關心嘛在整個黨中,維護黨中,我們說實在,一個要修理,要做什麼,要回復你認為,感覺有什麼想法,主委你回答一下
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦有啦
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 趙薇哥給我一個時間我來問主委 主委在你們現在停止補助關主民的專班裡面你們已經85年就不必補助了82年補助到84年你們現在認為你們的
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 全家要跟住民的傳統保持住的,但是你們現在一百十五年的經歷,你們就不想保住了不想保住當中,你們的解說就是說,我們回歸於教育部的主委,我們先來你請教一下,你跟教育部的這個區塊,你說完怎麼回答一下
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 我跟委員報告,我們這個結尾到115年度結束
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 教育部好像一年也有幫助五千萬但是我不是沒做喔我是在民主教育部份繼續在做喔沒有啦 我知道你們有在做啦我現在是很高興的說你們現在專業的時候沒補助嘛學校有請來的時候要跟我們原住民吃的
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 現在沒補助的時候 你說要回歸教育補的嘛我覺得現在就是好煩惱說 跟你們專業的沒請的時候 他請一個一般的老師來教的時候會教育會變嗎啦 會沒辦法啦 我們的傳統補準會嗎啦 阿咱有這樣啦 主委
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 我知道 因為民主教育的部分 是我們這邊在負責如果一般是教育部這邊 教育部這邊會補助主委 本來你說的 你要去注意因為有規定的話 我們當然是有人會辦辦了之後 你說 跟你們的補助已經停止了停止之後 要回歸教育部
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 我也希望你們可以協調一下,可以當,很不簡單,我們說實在的,我們住民的傳統,我們需要好好的保存,不是取化保存,實際兩三年三四年就沒了,這樣就不好,以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 我們接下來請黃婕委員發言質詢好 謝主席 我們請詹主委主委請黃委員好
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 主委好首先想要跟您請教這個貸金補償制度的這個部分因為其實在2021年這個大法官已經認定有部分違憲那監察院其實也糾正過了那這個貸金補償的制度我不知道說現在距離這個修法的年限其實已經超過兩年了因為其實2021年大法官就已經要求說要兩年內完成修法可是修法的年限是2023年那現在已經
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 超過兩年多 靠三年了
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 但是我看到這個監察院的報告裡面有一個案例他說因為中國人壽標了一個台中市一百六十四萬的案子那因為聘的人數不足所以他的代金要繳兩百九十四萬也就是說代金超過這個當初採購的金額意思是說你標了一個案子但是不僅沒有賺錢然後還要倒貼
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 那所以其實這個釋字810裡面其實有顯然有認為是過於苛刻啦那當然這個後來原民會我知道說2022年就發了一個這個就業代金調整的暫行要點那說如果超過採購金額的話可以調整到採購金額的上限但是如果以剛剛這個例子來看其實還是不是很合理喔就是你這個案子是164萬那你就算最後要
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 繳出來的是一百六十四萬就是把採購的金額全部都吐出來但是等於是說他接這個案子完全等於白做了嘛那這樣子我不知道說這樣你們覺得是有解決了這個問題嗎還是說接下來你們有打算用修法的方式來完整處理這樣的情況呢
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 也跟委員報告這個因為在112年9月還有113年的2月我們確實我們也兩度核轉立法院來審議但是因為都沒有排入這個審議那當然這個部分也特別拜託委員是不是我們也也有希望能夠還是要走修法這個路線比較公平因為所以你們是有版本的那個是不合理的還是不合理是的
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 那我這邊要拜託的就是說因為其實現在的現行制度還有另外一個問題是我看到這個主婦聯盟的例子就是說他們其實是算是也蠻認真的想要就符合這個制度他們也很願意協助這個原住民族的就業那甚至是說他們也有透過原民會的就業的媒合平台在上面積極的找人
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 但是最後還是沒有找到所以還是必須要這個課徵相關的代金甚至是他們其實在相關的推廣計畫裡面也都是說他們想要多採購這個原住民族相關的農產等等的他們其實前期做了很多努力但是最後沒有辦法達到這樣的成果那所以我在想說你們到時候的這個修法的內容是不是第一個說就是當然找不到是一個結果
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 但是在這個過程當中如果他們有用其他的方式有努力的想要去符合這個目標甚至他們的精神也是希望促進就業那所以你看過程當中他們採購的項目也都是來自這個原住民區那甚至是他們也積極的上你們的原民會的就業媒合平台去找人了但是最後還是達成這個找不到這樣的結果
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 那是不是中間可以斟酌因為他們的這一些種種的努力所以最後這個課徵代金的金額不要最後還是必須是這個採購的上限呢是我們就做一個這個跟委員報告一下其實我們在院會的版本當中已經把剛剛委員所提到的已經考量進去了包含說你金融困難的部分我們都會透過練定辦法來去做處理以上
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 好所以你們的版本現在的進度是如何那是不是也可以多來拜託我們委員會來排錄審查那你們也報告一下你們現在修法的修法的精神以及說你們修法的內容大概是什麼樣子來跟委員報告一下那現在的修法的版本主要一個就是說過去原住民禁用的只限約顧五類的那現在呢我們只要就是整個分母老保
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 老闆身份跟公保身份都把它加入到就是說每100人就用一個而且我們針對原住民主地區尤其是公所的部分會按照它的人口數的比例比如說我是佔70%的原住民的人口數那我就這個公所就要禁用70%的一個相關的員工來所以以後過去大家就會把公保老闆一起算然後每100人禁用一名以上
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 好那這個要拜託趕快趕快處理這個畢竟已經是大法官有釋憲過然後監察院也已經都已經提醒你們過了那再來要請教這個原博館的部分這個我每一次質詢都會問相關的進度但是
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 讓我驚訝然後有點失望的是每一次這個相關的進度都是延宕欸一拖再拖那每一次都跟我保證說接下來絕對會如期如質的照這個工程進度來進行可是不知道為什麼到底是什麼原因
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 一拖再拖那甚至連我們因為我們澄清湖周邊相關的建設跟進度都已經做好了甚至最近我們連國嶺公園都開放了那邊附近的民眾是不斷的人潮越來越多那可是就看到說園博館這一塊就空在那邊然後每次都會有民眾來說為什麼你們那邊這麼跟周圍的這個環境是完全不相容的
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 我跟委員報告我們目前就是這邊大概我們就馬上就在這個6月就動工了 我們的驗警館 可是你們已經延宕一年了我知道 就是那個驗警館因為這整個的這個過程 因為它比較慢核定所以當然我們就加速的這個
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 這個這個一些相關的工程那驗金管希望我們今天六月初就會動工那很快希望在這個兩年內就能夠先把驗金管蓋起來那這個來作為後續的這個那請你們在這邊跟大家承諾一次你們的驗金管對我們的驗金管
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 什麼時候 什麼時候就是整個 整個 今年六月會動工然後什麼時候完工 什麼時候明年的年底就完工 好 你們承諾的千萬千萬不要再延宕了 這個要拜託主委好 謝謝我們接下來請張宏路委員發言質詢
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 我請主委好 主委請張委員好主委我們平埔族身份法這個也已經有通過了那我想請問一下現在我們平埔族的成員相互所辦理登記的這個開始了嗎?還沒有喔行政院合併之後就可以開始了行政院合併之後馬上就可以開始了
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 目前已經送行政院了那跟戶政事務所這邊呢我們有沒有聯繫我們
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 跟地方政府的這個副鎮事務所也協調過了都協調過了告訴他們未來的登記要怎麼做怎麼做協調過是一件事我想請教的是那你們協調的具體內容現在第一線的副鎮事務所他都可以很清楚的知道如果來他怎麼辦嗎
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 跟委員報告那這個部分是兩個區塊一個是民族成員身份登記的部分這裡已經都跟地方原民機關跟民政機關協調處理完畢SOP表單等都已經完備另外在護證人員登記平埔原住民身份的部分我們也跟內政部共同規劃好了登記的作業的SOP表單以及相關的事項均已發給各地方政府的民政局向下傳遞給護證人員來做接續的辦理
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 所以你的意思就是說護證人員都很清楚了因為現在平埔原住民身份登記的一些基本程序跟現在原住民的身份登記程序基本上是完全接近的所以護證人員已經非常的熟悉山地原住民跟平地原住民登記的作業所以平埔原住民只是一個選項上的不同作業登記上面的話不會有太大的困難
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 現在平原三原是他的身份非常確定那你平埔族的身份我想喔可能你們園民會是比較清楚他的身份如何認證那你第一線的護真人員我不認為他可以像三原平原這樣子非常清楚的認證喔
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 那我想這個我們會持續跟這個地方政府我們就是做第一次 第二次 持續的來在還沒有開始可以登記以前我們再多幾次一定要貫徹到特別是副鎮書所第一線的人員要能夠清除我覺得啦 你們要多幾次互相跨部會的協調 這是一個另外啊
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 用幾個例子 用幾個什麼 讓第一線的副鎮人員能夠很清楚的知道啊對不對 你都講SOP SOP 但有很多的例子啊 他可能不在你們的SOP裡面有什麼 我覺得是要用實際的例子讓副鎮人員大家互相去溝通 去協調一下我覺得這樣子到時候才不會啊 你
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 人家去到那邊,按你身份的護證人員第一線也可能沒有了解那麼清楚,這可能會造成延宕的很多問題喔,你們有沒有考慮到這個?我們齁,就是說在跟這個地方政府做說明的時候,我們也會
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 有幾個案例把實際的案例拿出來再做說明可能仍然還是不過就看有時候碰到問題了才知道也許會更有一些比較特殊的是碰到了我們一樣會來協助來處理對啦 主委我就是怕你們有特殊的你碰到到時候在那邊他說他是啦 副鎮人員又要找你們了這些我覺得都可以事先去做的
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 都可以事先去做的去預防的啦好不好不然我覺得這有可能啊這個量啊會很大喔好另外啦齁這個啊齁原住民主工作權保障法裡面有殆金啊這個部分啦齁主委
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 現在啊,很多的企業啊,他其實啊,他有時候想要找原住民的員工啊他其實他不一定找得到,是不是啊?是對啊,那他不一定找得到,他要用代金要用什麼,那其實這是一個變通的辦法那主委啊,繳了代金之後啊,那錢怎麼用啊?這個錢怎麼用?
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 跟委員報告就是我們就待經南海之後我們有包含事情就位服務員然後做一些相關職業訓練
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 那個提供就業等等的一些相關方案都是在用這筆錢我知道啦這些東西好像有啦但又好像很空洞啦又好像很不切實際啦這筆錢啊就沒有很很直接用在需要的地方處理這個貸金的部分我們以後啊可不可以有一些不一樣的想法
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 這筆錢我們直接用在部落裡面用在什麼他去認養偏鄉的職校的設備或提供他們那個帶薪、實習等等的我們把它用在原住民真的年輕人這個就業的訓練然後甚至現在很多產業很多行業裡面的一些工作未來
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 你那個只是課程之一啦我現在的意思就是說我現在意思就是說如果未來這個貸金的部分我們專款專用直接是用到這一塊直接用到偏鄉他可以用設備或什麼甚至也可以跟財政部講我如果企業我沒有辦法請到原住民我要用貸金那如果
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 我們的貸金現在是規定是我們現在是規定至少要1%的這個這個原住民嘛那甚至他如果他可以多一些貸金他可以double或什麼用在我們這個專案上或什麼的財政部也可以讓他在一些稅金的減免我覺得這樣子是不是比較直接不然這筆錢現在給我坦白講我們貸金是納入到我們的就業基金裡面來
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 他是針對原住民的就業我知道啦 現行是這樣嘛那我的意思是說代金你就把他直接這筆錢直接拿出來直接就用在部落上啊像我剛剛說的啊有些部落講句難聽一點的學校設備也不好對不對 他在求學的過程就沒有那些設備你說你的AI他還要去你那邊有電腦啊對不對那我們讓他更直接
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 培養我們部落的年輕人這是一個方向嘛我不知道主委你認不認同認同就直接讓更需要的部落就直接來使用這樣對啊這樣我們才能夠訓練我們部落的年輕人未來他出來找得到好的工作啊是不是可以朝這個方向來看看我們來朝這個方向來做好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 我們下一位請王洪威委員發言質詢好謝謝主席我請我們的主委
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 主委早安我們在這次的審查預算裡面我個人非常重視的就是各主管機關的沒宣費所以我帶各機關的沒宣費怎麼樣去執行包含他是不是當用者用或者他的標案有沒有過度集中在特定的媒體
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 那我會發現我們園民會這個問題確實非常非常的嚴重我上面所羅列出來的是一共從這個111年事實上早在如果從左邊看109年開始的一個到今年度的一個
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 就是電子媒體的勞務採購案的標案可以看到從109年開始一直到今年度都只有一家媒體得標都只有一家媒體就是民視
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 我之前曾經提過我們中央政府的煤靴預算過度集中在綠煤的部分那民視本來他的金額就非常非常的龐大但是我們在原民會來看的話他的
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 這個集中度更高而且還有一個問題喔也就是說我今天羅列大概橫跨六年的電子媒體的這個勞務採購但事實上大部分的年度都只有一家來標少部分可能會到兩家像109年是有四家來標109年的時候還有四家大家可能覺得都可以來園民會來標一下
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 後來大家會發現說 原民會獨中民事所以呢 後來來標的人就越來越少了即便裡面譬如說有財團法人花蓮縣的叫做務勞部列部列文化產業發展協會或者是今年有一個生養網路但是都是陪標者所以
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 主委這個沒宣費的過度集中啊這麼長的一個時間我覺得這是非常非常不正常的即便在其他相關單位也不會像園民會這樣子的一個直接大拉拉的明顯另外請教
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 我們援助民族日的宣傳那這是很重要可是同樣的我們援助民族日的宣傳在電子媒體的採購的部分我覺得非常奇怪
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 又通通都是民事甚至包含在網路上也是民事電子媒體民事網路上也民事那我覺得很奇怪啊我們不是有原民台嗎按照我們原民台所今天做的報告也有很多的表現不管是新聞不管是專題製造製作或者是這些深度的訪談
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 為什麼一定都只有民視才能做呢我有去查民視所做的事情是什麼呢就是這樣子啊你們原住民族日的活動他有新聞露出然後他做了一個專題報告然後做了一些所謂的訪談我們原民台不能做嗎
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 這個人民台也有協助啦但是這個會這樣子就是說有民事來什麼這也是透過個標案來處理的我已經講過了你每次透過標案標到最後都已經沒有人來標啦因為知道你們根本就其他來的人通通是陪標啊連續六年欸連續六年只有一家民事很正常嗎
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 台灣的電視台這麼多電子媒體這麼多連續六年主委可不可以跟我解釋一下為什麼後來三立有一年來飆後來連三立都不來了他大概知道民視就是分配給對不起就是我們園民會就是分配給民視
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 你這個案子每個金額都很大耶你看一看每一年我要講的是他每一年你能不透過你能不透過這個公開的採購嗎你每一年的預算大概都2000萬上下耶114年還高達3278萬耶那如果我這邊再幫你去算出來你們民事證你們總體的沒宣費的沒宣費的預算
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 總體的媒選費預算那個比例是很高的啊是不是也就是說你不但是過度集中民視在你整個媒選費裡面都過度集中在電子媒體採購
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 所以我在這邊我們在這次的預算審查裡面我還是會做嚴格把關這個我們已經講了非常多年但是我想你們可能覺得因為每次我們在講說對於一些原住民這個原住民族不管是做他的文化的宣傳或者他們的權益的宣傳我們都會支持但是如果看到過度集中在某一特定媒體的時候
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 那這個大概就有問題了嘛另外請教主委報告委員可以讓我們再花30秒鐘給您做個說明可以請說今年正是因為委員有特別關切是不是過度集中於特定媒體所以我們今年雖然是招標給了民視但是民視這邊做的是一個統籌協調的一個機制
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 包給民視然後民視做二房東再由民視去發包給包含平面媒體包含網路包含其他電子媒體包含這個網紅
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 你們的模式就是這樣模式嗎對不對是 跟委員報告正是因為媒體的規劃是一種專業所以我們是以採購法的程序找到了適合的廠商並且所以只有民視可以這樣做嗎這是依照採購法的程序得到的結果而且最後得標廠商
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 你在這邊講說什麼公開採購啦或者是這是一個package再由他去分包給其他的媒體在很多的案子我們都看到但是這些案子都特別特別的大所以我剛才講嘛
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 到兩千萬上下你們到今年都已經執行超過一千萬了到現在為止都已經執行超過一千萬都趕快把它發包出去所以媒體採購的部分過度集中在特定的媒體 原民會的問題其實是很大的另外 諸位請問一下我們現在原住民博物館的預算的執行現在的進度是怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 我跟委員 委員報告齁因為原住民 原住民的這個博物館現在我剛剛講就是說今年六月就是下個月我們的驗警館就會 就會動工了驗警館你先要有一個驗 驗警館已經發包出去對 發包出去了對 六月就要動工了那我們也密切的齁因為我們不希望說一直再 再拖特別要 要逼他 催他就是希望在明年的這個月底就讓他完工
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 明年底那請問一下我看到你們資料是行政院核定到120年總經費是58億5900萬那目前會有追加嗎目前還沒有
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 目前是沒有追加喔 目前沒有所以現在目前的還是按照行政院核定的 是不是因為其實我後來看到你們很多各單位的這個就是尤其什麼新建大樓其實我看追加的還蠻多的所以我們目前是沒有追加 沒有 沒有好 謝謝我們下一位請李博義召委發言 質詢
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 請圓明會主委剪一下剪一下
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 我剛剛看到你的報告很精實,之前兩年我們都在處理的,包含平埔原住民族身份認定現在也有進度了,你剛剛也有說明,希望可以順利保障每一個原住民族的文化跟後續政府應該做的事情
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 我們現在就有在推廣來怎麼推廣請你說明準備怎麼做大概講一下
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 跟委員報告我們在去年12月的時候因為我們第一階段完成了三個模型的開發所以我們有辦一個成果發表會然後也邀請了就是我希望這個推廣齁是不斷的推廣啦來請這個呃董事長請呃語言發展研究基金會董事長額鄧額鄧董事長你來說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 工作呢我們都有在訓練是那現在我們在訓練比較重要就這個AI的部分我們也希望說能夠跟進進所以
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 有做語言的標註現在他們都在分層上課上完之後我們也會讓他們來完成我們給他們的作業未來我們會灌入在AI裡面因為我們的AI不像華語也不像英語它的語料這麼多我們要利用台灣非常先進的這些AI軟體其實也可以走到國際
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 包含夏威夷、關島甚至澳洲很多南島語系這些國家其實他們對於這些原住民的文化的保留以及語言都相當的重視我希望透過這個讓我們原民會代表行政院也可以走向國際做一些外交的交流謝謝董事長另外我剛講的第一個就是語言第二個
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 原住民可以做一個很重要的工作,像客委會的博工照護站一樣就像客委會的博工照護站,那我看在去年度我們有532個文化健康站這個我也在這邊表達對於民會的支持,也希望可以繼續來努力來拓展對這個族人的這些健康的照護第三個我要請陳奕信副主委上台
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 主委你先回座,謝謝副主委出登板各位委員、何委員在座的各位長官副主委我是你的球迷啦我有一點緊張,好像面對著五萬個人口當投手一樣你希望在座的召委和各位委員能夠多多見諒第一球也很難先發的還沒聽你講你就開始發表了
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 研究民的運動發展至今我們有拔尖計畫及GO我本身在是專業運動人員之前是協會的理事長我也看到我跟運動部發展今年我們也有做那當然我還在跟運動部的在發展在商討的當中裡面我們做的還是不夠都要繼續繼續因為
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 就像我們為什麼我有跟那個主委報告過主委有在指示我去做原住民
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 運動這個發展我們沒辦法馬上去做所以我們這次也跟教育部也在討論體育署裡面不是體育署抱歉抱歉運動部運動部的房署長那邊有跟他討論過原住民這個區塊也可以從這邊發展專項專強去補強我鼓勵副主委現在的球員可能不一定認識你了啦但是現在教練跟你應該都很熟
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 謝謝我知道昨天我還帶著國軍救災英雄人員在花蓮看棒球抱歉3分之後的運動員還是認識我小學生嗎還是高中生
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 高中以上的他們都有講說這個臭皮疹陳一信目前還是他的紀錄球員出身那職業運動出身你最理解職業運動選手的來源可能來自基層棒球可能來自國小國中高中他需要什麼我希望期許我們副主委可以在短短的任期裡面趕快可以做到讓基層棒球或者是基層任何運動都有感受到園民會隊跟
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 運動部隊他們的這些照顧來 副主委謝謝委員我就是等了這句話已經等了好幾十年63歲了我是國小出生在窮鄉僻壤的地方國軍退伏會容工處培養我我知道他們全員很辛苦所以去年到今年真的很感謝我們的良益這個運動基金我們希望是從國小而不是
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 從哪一個學校開始應該是從運動員開始對 人民會可以趕快跟運動部教育部走入基層校園現在已經開始了因為我們我是台灣原住民棒球發展運動會的理事長我們已經到33年了
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 抱歉後面還有委員抱歉再給我一分鐘的時間最後園民館動工那運景館六月動工明年第四季要完成試營運那我要提醒園民會這邊
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 這個當然有延宕但是你在延宕的騎乘裡面高雄市政府把旁邊的高雄球場已經開闢成國領自然公園它跟我們園民會的場址很接近中間怎麼樣跟高雄市政府做聯繫讓它變成一整套的旅遊行程希望園民會也提早來做這個規劃跟因應謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 等一下高精素美委員發言完休息五分鐘下一位請高精素美委員發言謝謝召委有請主委主委請主委今天520這個賴總統就職已經快兩年了
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 如果要我給原民會打分數我覺得原民會非常的不及格除了不及格之外呢你們心裡面有沒有想到全台灣的原住民族的權利我也打一個非常大的問號老師就要審你的預算了所以在這裡呢我有幾件事情要就教您您看到
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 原住民地區有非常多的地方民意代表的連署書嗎在網路上非常的氣憤您看過嗎主委你看過沒有你只要回答我看過沒有好我念一段給你聽
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 我們是各地方的民意代表今天共同連署是因為許多原住民的族人長期反應不是不願意守法也不是不願意受刑而是我們想要走合法安全的路卻排不到課等不到班
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transcript.whisperx[233].text 援軍民主狩獵不是犯罪,也不是特權,而是長久以來的生活、文化與傳承。政府若要求族人依法使用、依法管理這支獵槍,就應該要提供足夠、清楚、可參加的安全訓練。
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transcript.whisperx[234].text 讓族人知道怎麼合法怎麼安全也讓地方政府跟執法人員有一致的標準這是他們最卑微的要求主委你怎麼看這件事這個我想我也是這樣可能大家是就是有一點誤會我們去年也有開課那今年我們希望說在北中南東都能夠開這樣的一個這個訓練課程
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 那當然這個因為它這個是比較特殊我們必須也會協助他們找到合宜的場地所以當然審核上我們就會沒有那麼快那就是說我們今年也希望能夠
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 我們希望在今年我們5月已經開始就是在採購公告了那我們希望今年我們也預計一個人數我們希望是不是可以拉到最少要一個班30個人最多50個人希望今年可以有1200個人取得即可證書主委你必須要承認一下在5月5號之前原民會你們其實呢並沒有專心處理這件事情我為什麼這麼說你知道嗎
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 因為呢 人民會你們僅僅在屏東 是不是因為你的家鄉我不知道啦齁 只有病疫場 而且呢人數少之又少我認為這不是量能不足 這根本就是把絕大部分的族人的需求當一回事我跟你們講一條 很希望不要因為某些立法委員或者是
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 主委您是屏東人所以才做屏東所以呢我在5月5號的時候在我辦公室有要求中歸處必須要在花蓮跟台東為什麼是花蓮跟台東因為花蓮跟台東的民意代表還有人民憤怒啦對我辦公室來講啊
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transcript.whisperx[239].text 所以當時政會處的處長有答應必須要在一個月內競速開課這三個地方 對嗎 請問一下處長我跟委員報告有誤會 屏東不要再講那件事情了 我現在在講屏東還沒有上課所以屏東也是在你們準備上課之一是不是當然我們北中南中高屏都要辦那現在是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[240].text 那請問鍾副處處長請你正式的回答我5月5號在我們辦公室有花蓮跟台東的議員來陳情你答應我在一個月內要儘速開課那現在主委又告訴我說是屏東也要開
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transcript.whisperx[241].text 還有哪些地方要開 跟委員報告目前向本會提報希望地方政府要辦的地方政府共有屏東縣花蓮縣及台東縣三個縣他們都報計劃過來了 已經報了嗎 都已經一個月內要處理好不好 是可以開課嗎 特別跟委員報告就像上次協調會的時候一樣花蓮縣的代表當天其實也提出了很多需要我們協調處理的技術問題那我們已經把這個公文
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 只是他們如何做調整的公文都已經發下去了請問一下一個月內能不能進速開課我們一定會在一個月內把這三個地方政府都請來當面協調幫忙另外因為有時間有限我們就很簡短的回應另外請教文書處長
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 請問一下 之前這個業務在中規處是不是會移撥到您交文處現在未來的獵人的獵槍訓練會移撥到本處沒有準備怎麼做我們現在已經正正積極的研擬招標文件我們希望在5月底能夠上網招標然後在7月的時候開始授予我們族人獵人的報名8月可以正式上網所以有包括住宿跟膳食費嗎 交通費嗎
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 我們會提供上述的支持我可不可以理解的很快的在這邊讓我的族人清楚的了解一個是五月底以前就是一個月之內地方縣政府就是中規促在辦理的時候花蓮台東屏東三個一個月之內趕快開課對吧
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transcript.whisperx[245].text 因為這是地方政府要辦的嘛是然後五月以後挪到教文處的手上的時候你們會統籌辦理所以不再是地方政府辦了還是回歸到原民會辦了好謝謝主委你看一個那麼簡單的事情
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transcript.whisperx[246].text 你們搞了這麼久那麼複雜今天終於有個定案了接著我要問的是原住民聯絡道路的部分聯絡道路養護的經費對原鄉是不是很重要
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transcript.whisperx[247].text 是不是很重要您還沒有就任這個位置之前本席在112年到114年帶著原鄉的鄉長曾經到行政院去我們要到了1.7億的經費這1.7億的經費是要來完成原住民聯絡道路養護的經費做得非常好也非常需要也因此原鄉的道路
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 一個一個被維修一個一個被維護了可是在今年你們的預算只剩下6500萬一億元不見了請問主委你要怎麼處理啊你要怎麼跟族人交代
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transcript.whisperx[249].text 跟委員報告就是說那個我們現在要怎麼樣因應就是說在這個100本年度啦原住民族部落的特色這個道路韌性的提升計畫我們是核定7300多萬還有遺跡部落的建設我們是核定2626萬
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transcript.whisperx[250].text 養護經費的分配還有執行的計畫我問您的是這一個請您明確的告訴我我已經講得很清楚112年到114年本席我跟蘇貞昌院長爭取到了1.7億的部落養護經費因為我們一直在修道路一直在修道路但是沒有養護的錢而原鄉的養護很重要
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transcript.whisperx[251].text 每一個聯絡道路又那麼長當時我們是爭取到1.7億現在我只看到6千萬請問一下 怎麼辦以後那第一個部分就主要是因為採訪通過之後地方財源增加所以我們這部分經費相對簡略
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 因為地方財源增加所以新入縣在今年特別增加給尖石五峰各4000萬所以你的意思說 爭取到的每年1.7億已經被中央打折打到6000萬了那以後這些錢就靠地方政府 現在只剩多少 8000萬
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transcript.whisperx[253].text 不夠的部分將近一億不夠是各縣市政府在財化法裡面要分配到原鄉的意思嗎我們現在116年還是希望能夠爭取回來元安二都我們目前正在爭取到時候什麼時候要爭取我們現在提了116年需求的時候我們已經把我們需求提出來
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transcript.whisperx[254].text 115年沒有,只有116年有其他部分的話,我們用特色道路的計畫來支持能不能答應我,也告訴我們這個55個原住民鄉的鄉長們這個錢你們會找回來給他們?我們會去爭取爭取不到嗎?主委下台
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transcript.whisperx[255].text 還是怎麼樣我們還有其他計畫可以支持所以嘛你現在是不是告訴我們很正確明確的告訴我們的鄉長養護大陸的經濟還是有你們原來會把它沖下來可以嗎有好 謝謝來 第三個傳統領域的部分
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transcript.whisperx[256].text 主流我們在使用土地的時候根本就沒有所謂的公有私有的概念最高行政法院在112年度上至第487號的判決也清楚的指出傳統領域是不分公私有
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 原民會裡面當時也公開的說你們會通用檢討然後也會邀集學者專家全面檢視傳統領域畫色跟諮商同意的機制也會持續跟立法委員來充分討論請問將近一年了主委哪一項完成了
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transcript.whisperx[258].text 跟委員報告其實我們在2014年做完判決之後我們從2014年的10月8號開始就辦理到我們下鄉去辦理三場的傳統領域化社集資商同一個座談會那目前這三場座談會收集過來的意見的部分就是說贊成跟反對的部分其實是都沒有過半換句話說這個部分是沒有共識的
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transcript.whisperx[259].text 抱歉最高行政法院112年度上至第487號判決清楚地說傳統領域不分公私有
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 你們已經有了這麼樣的一個判決更何況台北市政府把這個有利族人的判決也列為精選的判決法律資料也特別的在討論其他的在野黨的團體也公開的支持傳統領域不分公私有整個大社會都是往前面走只有你們還在裝睡啦
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transcript.whisperx[261].text 各位報告 那請你告訴我現在的結果是怎麼樣那我合理的懷疑 請你不要再解釋我合理懷疑 我合理懷疑我們的民進黨政府 尤其是園民會你們是不是在護航執政黨政府的南園署的地熱開發南園署大喇喇的說只要涉及原住民族公有土地者才需要資深同意 主委
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 聽好,如果原民會是不站在原住民族土地存益這一邊,那你們是要怎麼樣向族人報告?原民會你還能做些什麼?主委請您回答有沒有混行這回事情?不會如果沒有混行,什麼時候能夠做好?
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 這麼多的判例已經說了而部落就因為這樣子的部分一直在有非常多的糾結跟困擾你們到底要不要解決我們的主人的問題
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transcript.whisperx[264].text 要解決?我馬上就要審你們的預算了如果你們在這段時間還不處理還不給主任一個交代的話我會在預算書上面跟你們做一些主決議甚至於凍結你們預算其他很快說明一下還有什麼事情你們沒有做好抱歉再給我一點時間謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 現在地會原住民已經超過六成了除了你比我清楚 當時原住民發展條例的承諾第二會期會提出結果一年過去了 還是看不到喔請問這一年在幹嘛 在裝死 裝睡還是根本不在乎這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[266].text 主委你看你都沒辦法回答你今天要來這裡備詢你都不知道這件事我不知道主委你每天在幹什麼第二件事情代金業務你們1月答應的事情到現在也還沒做完第三個中發基金裁員的問題到現在也還沒有解決第四個更不要講長期以來我們原運包括你也在內我們原運一直在推動的原住民自治法土海法
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 520了賴總統任職520了連版本都還沒有這樣子一路看下來園民會啊你們真的實在是沒有一件事情辦得好的呀
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 如果人民會主委你在這裡的位置上你只是跑活動只是每一個地方去跟人家頒獎或者是做報告或者是捐了一大堆的錢然後去辦一個根本原住民的族人都不會在乎的一些節目八千萬就只剪了四集我講的是一個世界原住民大會
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 花了這麼多錢然後呢減了四個級然後如果園民會你們的功能只是在做這件事情的話我想這並不符合園民會存在的
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transcript.whisperx[270].text 指標跟意義跟價值原民會我們爭取來的這一個單位最重要的是捍衛原住民的尊嚴爭取原民會的原住民的預算讓原住民可以活在一個非常有中原自治管理的路上可是這樣子看起來好像都沒有這個部分我們都有在努力就像原住民主運動會其實跟我們報告
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transcript.whisperx[271].text 有很多的族人他感覺很有尊榮感不是沒有喔那各項的這個我不管是在文化健康部我們也有在努力你們的感知跟感受跟基層的族人差很多你們的尊榮感只有在媒體上偶爾出現的那幾個畫面
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 畫面結束了回到部落要解決的問題還是沒有辦法解決該解決的問題還是沒有辦法解決原住民的自治法土海法援運走了這麼長一條路連一個版本都沒有主委要好好的檢討我希望民視全民的原住民的主委不是某一個族人的
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transcript.whisperx[273].text 的主委我也希望您在這個位置上能夠替原住民的族人爭取最好的尊嚴而不是只是跑地方活動還有很多的事情必須要做好嗎給你鼓勵誰預算的時候呢我會好好把關你們的預算那時候我剛剛以上說的這些沒有做好就別怪原住民的立法委員會凍結或者是刪除或做一些比較嚴格的主決議來監督你們
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transcript.whisperx[274].text 因為這個王安祥委員到了 我們就帶王安祥委員 質詢完之後再請休息
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transcript.whisperx[275].text 等一下我們下一位丁學忠委員不在下一位鍾嘉斌委員不在下一位鄭振前委員不在下一位何欣淳委員不在下一位盧明才委員不在下一位請王安祥委員發言質詢
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transcript.whisperx[276].text 主席好 有請主委主委請
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transcript.whisperx[277].text 我想這幾年前有一次跨年的晚會因為我們一個阿美族的青年去幫忙搭這個舞台後來很不幸的就從高處墜落下來我想主委應該知道這個事情那如果今年的四月好像在那個胃環那邊有辦了一次這個專報我有特別提到,那天說我不在不過我有特別拿到你們的專報的內容
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transcript.whisperx[278].text 那你們大概具體的內容就是會配合勞動部辦理一些事情不過在你們的那個專報裡面其實你們過去我們對於這個援運會這邊對於我們的援運朋友基本上過去大概就是促進就業我們會用一些這個就是用這個訂額的部分來做一些處理剛剛其他委員也有提到這個所謂代金的部分
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transcript.whisperx[279].text 那我想現在我剛剛舉的那個例子那可能不只要幫助我們的朋友就業可能要注意他們工作的安全跟他們的健康那我看到你們專報有可是這次在你們整個這一次的報告裡面好像又沒有看到好像有一點可能是有一點時間的落差不曉得主委你們這一塊就上次的專報跟這一次你們放在你們進來的預算上你們要怎麼處理這個問題好 謝謝 來
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transcript.whisperx[280].text 跟委員報告一下那有關植栽的這個部分我們有了解到那我們就會從那個我們有一個10區的那個就業服務辦公室那我們會針對這個去加強去做做一個那個查核那跟委員報告主要一個目的是說我們怎麼樣讓我們的族人
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transcript.whisperx[281].text 增加他的那個勞工保險那過去我們跟勞動部的努力當中過去大概有6萬多人是沒有勞工保險的那已經降到4萬多人所以我們這個部分也跟勞動部去做合作針對那些公司4人以上的如果沒有勞動保險的話他們會做一些查核跟那個我也要提醒委員會這邊我們現在這個前幾年修法在蔡英文總統的比較後期
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 這個都已經確定那個有一個叫做職業災害保險勞工職業災害保險及保護法所以那個職災的部分都是由內部來處理他早就跟勞工保險已經脫鉤了所以不是現在沒有所謂的我以下沒有這種事情所以他只要有工作有就業他就必須要保這個災保我看你們要做很多宣導會嘛這個事情務必要做到要告訴大家他所有僱主一定要幫他加災保
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transcript.whisperx[283].text 職業災害保險我覺得這很重要我們看到勞動部的報告當中有很多職災大部分都是一年都興建人員所以我們會針對一些興建的一些工作人員會加強他的職災
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transcript.whisperx[284].text 的一個保險則會宣導以上是因為我跟大家說一下就是那個職災的部分我們分好幾個階段就是預防補償跟重建預防就是說我們事前要告訴他們一些風險的概念那事後可以給他剛剛您說的給他一些補償我們可能部分用保險的給付來做底窗那當然最後才會讓他們再回到職場上面去所以我的意思是說其實不是只有有關於加保的部分那個通常都是對於他已經發生了以後
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transcript.whisperx[285].text 所給他的一些補償或給付重要的是他有風險的意思或是要去敦促他們的僱主要好好做到所謂職業災害預防的工作所以我的意思我看到你們專報上面寫的是說要結合地方政府體系的網路協助地方政府辦理職業安全衛生及職災宣導
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transcript.whisperx[286].text 這剛出專報說的我不曉得你們這次預算上因為以前看起來都是做這個比較就業的部分這個到底要怎麼來這個實施是不是有一些比較因為現在都已經五月了嘛有沒有比較積極的一個確定的一個做法我們每年大概七十戶都有跟勞動部去做合作那包含是說像我們的勞工大概集中在那個營建跟製造業的一些保險產業那這個部分呢我們有做一些職業安全跟職災的一個預防宣導像我以去年一整年為例我們總共就有314場次
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 7930個人次的一個宣導這部分我們會再繼續努力所以這個部分是怎麼樣處理是配合勞動部嗎還是配合地方政府來做這個宣導的活動我們是有一個市區的就業服務辦公室那在相關的一個主任的一些活動當中來辦理這相關的一個宣導
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transcript.whisperx[288].text 那是不是可以,我這個辦公室對這個事情很有興趣,是不是可以請主委,責成這個園民會這邊,會後是不是可以提供一些這些宣導會的資料,那大概他的講題的這個內容,好不好?
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transcript.whisperx[289].text 我必須再次強調就是說其實我們過去在這個領域很久了其實很多發生很不幸的事件其實我們後來看到其實都非常難過我覺得很多防災的議事尤其像雇主那邊他真的要做好這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[290].text 所以既然我們這個 郵政委員很多他都從事這個所謂的營造 營建業所以我覺得怎麼樣配合勞動部一起來針對這個我覺得要對待一下 而不是說在他們的這個宣導會裡面就加上一塊這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[291].text 我覺得這個可能希望原民會能夠針對這個部分針對我們原民朋友比較多的這種工作、職業類型、產業類型能夠真的做一些比較適合原住民的這些職災的這個宣導尤其我說過不是只有後面的這個給給付或補償預防那一塊會非常重要這個提醒這個主委這邊好感謝主委謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[292].text 那現在休息五分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[293].text 谢谢观看
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 響鐘
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transcript.whisperx[295].text 谢谢大家
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 我們繼續開會我們下一位請蔡易瑜委員發言蔡易瑜蔡瑜蔡瑜不在下一位蘇清泉委員蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在下一位請盧憲毅委員發言自詢好謝謝主席有請我們主委麻煩主委
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transcript.whisperx[297].text 好久不見那今天是520也就是我們總統的就職兩週年那我想說剛才高靖遠說你不及格我們是不是從幾個項目裡面來跟你討論大概有六個問題要問你那我想說是不是可以讓你加分那其實現在訊息快到了那其實我們都最擔心的就是我們全台有193個議程孤島的地區那我們其實常常在看我們的議題工程還有防災市警系統還有弱勢的撤離名冊這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[298].text 可是我們在看的時候我們有115年的3.15億元是在改善特色道路可是我們現在忽略了那時候如果說發生災害的時候會有一些檢疫馬達的一個停擺水源的混濁還有一些通訊斷線然後如果是防災警示系統常常是如果是只靠廣播的話可能會有一些地方聽不到然後呢一些手機信號到不了的地方一些民眾確實他並不知道他要撤離還有弱勢撤離的民眾像
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transcript.whisperx[299].text 只有市政那邊比較完整結果防災就是我們的那個救災人員他那邊的名車並不完整所以是不是要把他們跨部會的去跨單位的來整合所以我覺得優先測理那個地圖應該在防災之前就應該要先建立所以本市有一個建議是不是在元宣孤島防災缺口的追蹤表要加上水電路通信
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 通訊減水跟避難空間若是撤離第二個就是經濟部落分級分眾的預警網路因為這次馬太案的事件我們就知道說很像這個部分沒有做得很徹底所以要讓每一戶都要確認說他能夠收得到訊號然後不是要等到撤離了才開始然後創立我們原文會也是廣播電台或是人民台能不能做及時的服務能力所以希望這個三點的一個建議能不能請主委回應一下好
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 謝謝委員有關容易形成孤島效應的這些原住民部落其實我們都有整理起來大概會發生在哪一個地方當然這個部分我想剛剛講委員講的有一些通訊系統要保持暢通第二個就是說現在我們也非常謝謝我們內政部這裡對這種比較有可能形成孤島效應的我們目前在各縣市
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 我們已經成立了12個就是特收隊 演劇民主的特收隊那我們也有鎖定就是有一些容易形成孤島效應的一些部落很多像桃園 像霧台這個部分我們都希望就是說他們的這個廣播系統都能夠都能夠直接來聯繫到也有平時就有在做訓練 這個部分我想
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 我們會緊密的跟我們的這個災害快到了希望到時候如果說檢驗的時候能夠及格第二個就是我們在想春日鄉四文村是目前我們原住民的確看起來是最辛苦的地方因為他每次防災的時候都要他就要撤離
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 我想說我們除了測理跟永久屋的一個興建的部分是不是還有一個方向可以考慮因為它現在是朝中長期安置多元來建置社會住宅的安置所以它現在好不容易爭取到3400萬的水保基礎設施
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 結果就卡在說它尚未取得簽建共設不符合優先事項的對象所以我想說是不是因為它的一個特殊性它也被評比為第四級最高風險地區是不是代表說它其實並不是一般的住宅開發而是一個防災應變跟一個安居的一個用地所以我想說園民會能不能協助他們找出一個比較堅固安全土地權利跟文化
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 原系性的這樣的一個安居路徑而不是用現在的一個標準就是不是測理就是永久物的這樣一個選項
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transcript.whisperx[307].text 那目前因為他目前最新的進度是春日相公所他把那個營區啊他把它規劃成改建臨時安置的場所他已經不朝那個已經沒有朝那個永久安置的方式來做處理所以這部分的話未來如果是有關基地的基礎設施部分我們會來給予協助
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transcript.whisperx[308].text 我還是希望雲林能夠把這一塊如果弄好的話其實很多地方可以做一個指標性的一個未來給所有比較辛苦的地區如果以後有這樣的一個需求的時候你們在做事情的時候就有一個model做所以就不會一而再再而三重複發生這樣的比較難的問題接下來我再看到一一六年一一九年我們環境部的一個
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transcript.whisperx[309].text 國家企業變遷調試行動計畫的時候其實我看到很可惜是原美會並沒有被邀請因為它其中裡面有一個土地利用領域的調試方案希望我覺得主委們應該主動的去能不能將環境部這個來爭取說我們這個土地利用領域能夠
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transcript.whisperx[310].text 納入我們原鄉高風險聚落調適的這個議題因為如果你把環境部的資源也納進來的話你可以把移居部落這些建設計畫做得更好反省災呀 供有空間活化還有這些所謂的熱心安居的制度來一併納入我們國家氣候這個調適架構我覺得如果一落原本會讓我覺得很可惜好
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 第三個問題就是我前幾天有去秀林鄉那他們有一個教會說他們的補助款就是修正的補助款被收回350萬元那我是覺得說我們在針對災區他們已經很辛苦公文晚返可能在
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transcript.whisperx[312].text 文字上面不夠精準比如說你修上修建復建重建對一般的教會的人員或者是行政人員他們沒有辦法很精確的知道結果他們以為有錢了所以就把教會拆掉了結果你們的那個就說不跟那個公文跟重建的那個不符所以就把三百五十萬收回所以我覺得你們常常在執行計畫裡面會有些心靈重建
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transcript.whisperx[313].text 復建復建工程這個用語我覺得為什麼一定要很硬性的把這個修建跟重建一定要不能劃成等號其實我覺得就原住民地區來講尤其是教會這個部分我覺得我相信我們的主委
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transcript.whisperx[314].text 神職人員的後代應該很知道教會在部落的重要性所以你把350萬社會覺得他們是一個很大的損失所以希望主委能夠主動的來協助了解這件事情我們會跟社會來協助我們另外是不是可以像
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transcript.whisperx[315].text 正在基金會來申請這個新建的這些相關經費我們會跟他們做聯繫那我希望能夠主動協助好嗎會第四個問題就是我們現在的知識研究中心說三個月以後就要停辦然後與推組織是不是要轉型是說造成一些我們的部落勤勞部落青年文化這些什麼實驗學校的一個合作模式是不是就會斷吹
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transcript.whisperx[316].text 我覺得這個部分在轉型的時候是不是要告訴我們未來要怎麼做而不是這個計畫終止以後很多部落的這些我們第一線工作者他要成立一個斷鏈的風險好 謝謝這個雖然那個計畫是他是一個中長者計畫結束了我們仍然會就我們的這個教育文化的這些補助的辦法我們一樣會給予協助
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 沒有停止的問題還有一個主委伯母就跟我說她常常中午就要去接小朋友因為她覺得那個時數的四小時沒有辦法做彈性的一個認定也就是說她規定主委伯母要四個小時才可以申請所以她可是她八點到下午四點這個時間來申請如果你沒有彈性給她的話她勢必很多祖父母或者是隔代嫁養或者是說
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transcript.whisperx[318].text 專心在家裡照顧孩子的這些爸爸媽媽他就要中午去把小孩子接回來他才可以申請主委保姆這個四個小時的一個津貼那我是覺得說對有些人是很不方便所以我是覺得這個四個小時的認定應該要更彈性一點而不是異性規定要一定要讓家長中午去接小朋友回家
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transcript.whisperx[319].text 好來來來跟我們報告其實這個部分是有誤解我們的四個小時的資訊是非常有彈性他練完上次也是可以來資訊好謝謝那第二個問題就是我們的足語AI請袁文慧足語AI的這個節目說16個足語可以
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 用語音合成啊 基礎翻譯這些那我想知道說它有沒有一個基本的實用原則哪些內容是可以有AI輔助那這些新聞事實 主語翻譯文化知識人工審稿這個部分是不是有一個比較精確的一個所謂的審核機制如果說你主人聽了他或者是看很像不對他要怎麼去回報這樣一個錯誤
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 我覺得參與修正的這個部分是不是應該管納主委的意見然後讓這個平台可以很順暢
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transcript.whisperx[322].text 第二個就是我們的你剛才說我有看到你的報告說主語的時數很高我覺得當然是很肯定可是你要看是有沒有哪一個頻道是最接觸青年一些主語新聞啊什麼Podcast這些TI TV Plus你播了多少時數誰看得見誰看得懂誰回饋誰願意使用我覺得這個衡量指標應該要納入進去第三個就是你們園民會的有規劃公民記者主語新聞記者中南有三個中心
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transcript.whisperx[324].text 主義我們的新聞的一個公正性所以我覺得還是要修復我們新聞獨立的這個一個所謂的倫理最後我還是常常聽到說我們游泳會這邊有性騷擾的案件那我想知道說你可以輸入報告給我今年的性品的申訴案件的處理進度可以嗎馬來西亞你可以針對剛才我講的那幾個問題回應嗎
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transcript.whisperx[325].text 對 謝謝委員的指教那我們在新聞的訓練上面特別剛剛委員提到的新聞的公正性足以主播的或是記者的培訓
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transcript.whisperx[326].text 那這一塊是我們接下來更大的業務範圍那第二個就是有關於AI的使用我們也掌握住就是AI不單單是以科技的角度去思考族語的應用而是讓人去成為使用上的主要的主宰者
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transcript.whisperx[327].text 所以這一塊我們也會努力那剛才委員提到的資料我們會再提供好謝謝希望主委能夠參與修正AI的那個錯誤然後我剛才說了一些衡量的指標誰在看誰聽得懂誰在回饋誰願意使用我覺得這個部分衡量指標要有最後一個就是民眾的獵人那我想時間的關係我還是希望原民會能夠提出總指教官回
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transcript.whisperx[328].text 的一個運用計畫第二個就是請園民會會同民運部我們林保署來研議部落狩獵自主管理的示範指引最後就是園民會提出跨部會的一個協調機制希望我們的警政署林保署國家公園跟地方政府能夠
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transcript.whisperx[329].text 讓族人讓獵人能夠在這個同一個國家裡面不要被不同的標準來框架因為其實族人最怕的就是不同機關不同的標準辦理結果呢他明明在這邊是合法的結果在警政署的認定在內政部的那個認定就不合法所以我覺得這個我剛剛講的三件事情希望原民會能夠審慎的來思考
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transcript.whisperx[330].text 會 我們來跟其他部會 不管是農業部 還有內政部這邊我們會做跨部會的協調好 謝謝主委我們下一位請林倩琦委員發言質詢
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transcript.whisperx[331].text 我請園民會的主委好主委好今天針對這個預算跟幾個我們長期關注的原住民的這個議題來跟您做個討論那第一個部分我先整理一下就是有關於原保地增畫邊常會卡關跟跨部會協調時程冗長的這個問題來跟您做一個
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transcript.whisperx[332].text 推動那麼基本上呢對於我們的根原住民的土地那依據基本法第20原住民族基本法20條的這個明定那我們承認原住民族土地跟自然資源的權利但是在實務上看來許多族人申請保留地的增化編都等了曠日廢時
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transcript.whisperx[333].text 那案件常常會在行政程序裡面卡關那對族人而言除了行政嚴當那土地正義也常常都無法實踐那本席有發現到比對一下數據那麼在高雄市的這個桃園、南馬峽還有茂林這些地方有許多族人使用居住或耕作的這個土地那公所在進行這個區啦各區在進行縣勘的一個勘察跟出省的時候呢那麼非常耗時
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transcript.whisperx[335].text 那另外還有等一下那個主委這邊是不是先平均審查的時間的一個長度高雄市切實它執行率是比較低啦比起其他的縣市因為了解什麼樣子的原因還是
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transcript.whisperx[336].text 我跟委員報告 真化編合他那個進度會延宕會緩慢的原因因為涉及到說工廠機關他們要去審認說有沒有七七二一使用氣精的這樣一個事實那因為我們原鄉地區很多他們一個土地使用的他們的土地使用的區域的部分都是在比較偏遠的地方
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transcript.whisperx[337].text 所以會勘的部分我們除了公所公產機關之外他如果說今天如果不是整體使用的話那還會涉及到複張分割那涉及到地政事務所複張分割的部分所以因為涉及到跨單位的部分所以他的騎乘的部分會比較慢一點因為那個不是單一個部會他就能夠所以大概你們知道現在高雄市大概平均的時間要多長
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transcript.whisperx[338].text 應該是說全國的平均申請政法編的一個時間的部分大概起碼要半年以上主委也知道高雄的這個問題那您對於高雄的這個環境條件的一個限制這邊有沒有什麼看法先請教一下主委的看法我想是這樣我們都像這個政法編我們也有補助一些這個負障分割的經費給他們
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transcript.whisperx[339].text 那高雄市之所以會慢我想就剛剛處長講的這個原因也是其中很大的一個原因文件條件還是行政程序你們的了解呢
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transcript.whisperx[340].text 我跟委員報告其實因為像那個納瑪蝦區公所他們有跟我們申請附贓分割的那個經費的部分我們幾乎已經補助到八成的這樣的一個經費啦那最主要的問題當然就是像剛剛我跟委員報告的部分就是說會涉及到說他們使用的不是整筆土地要需要分割那分割的部分地鎖的部分他要加快的話就是要有一些附贓分割經費的一個挹注那這樣子他們能夠加速這樣你們是第一次這樣子補助他們嗎還是說先前我們是全國性的
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transcript.whisperx[341].text 所以他們會這麼慢或者是碰到這樣的困難我想你們可能應該做個了解然後看能夠怎麼樣協助處理實際關心你們也知道這個問題本席要確定是說你知道究竟是卡在行政程序還是你們所講的環境因素那可不可以就這個部分去做一個協助跟了解好 沒問題當然全國性的本席這邊也是很關心
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transcript.whisperx[342].text 那花東尤其是本席的原鄉還是要請主委這邊也是要了解一下我們在平地原住民的這個區塊那在做這個方面的一個真化片的處理碰到了一個差異性的困難那另外本席這邊有請教跟這個議題有關的也是就是說在這個跨部會協調的部分其實其他的單位都常常說不符會稅圖保持然後又涉及保安名這樣子的一個理由
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transcript.whisperx[343].text 原民會就常常照單全收啦那結果搞得你們都好像在這個協調機制裡面都很弱勢那本席也經常都在這個區塊做一些協助那但是是不是我不知道原民會這邊有沒有辦法在這個跨部會協調一個困境當中再做一個突破呢
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transcript.whisperx[344].text 跟我們報告其實我們那個有關於真話編定期每一季會舉辦跨部會尤其是像工廠機關跟地方政府的一個跨部會的工作協調所以針對本席這邊講到的那個跨部會給予我們的這些這個理由那你們是不是有機會可以做一個處理好不好
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transcript.whisperx[345].text 但這樣曠日廢時的情況其實也很久所以本席這邊提醒一下這個整個審查標準那麼整個審查是要求民國七十七年二月一號之前的使用證明不過主委您也知道啦這個部落族人過去沒有完整的一個水證記錄地籍資料或者是影像的一個資料那就常常會感覺制度就過分的依賴紙本的證明那到最後就很仰賴現代國家的行政文件來否定掉原住民長期土地使用的一個事實
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transcript.whisperx[346].text 那你們這邊是不是有機會來充分利用齊老的一個證言部落會議等等文化脈絡的方式來使這樣子的一個證明方式更有一些彈性
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transcript.whisperx[347].text 好好好那重點就是這個整個土地正義那大家等了很久不要再一直卡在行政文書上的一個虛號那接下來本席很快的談一下那個我們在圓明台的這個自製製作節目的這個比例那首播節目占總播出的時數跟其他公共媒體相比都沒有達到20%那所以本席要提醒節目的自製比例跟首播的這個比例很重要就是它
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transcript.whisperx[348].text 揭示的是媒體的一個自主性文化的再現能力還有原住民族影視人才的一個結構那如果不足的話那原住民就很難回應當代族人的一個生活那本席很關心那在這個部分原住民跟海洋之間的一個連結那不知道這個我們董事長這邊對於這件事情有一個看法
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transcript.whisperx[349].text 跟回應謝謝 謝謝委員那第一個就是有關於我們的自治時數我們目前其實都符合NCC的對本席剛才所講的你們相較於其他公共媒體相對的偏低那我們是如何在這個比例上比較偏低的一個情況下能夠來展現我們的自主性所以本席來請教董事長那針對首播節目比例偏低的這個部分你們有沒有提升的計畫
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transcript.whisperx[351].text 是的 我們很佩服委員因為委員對於戶外運動是專家所以在海洋的運動的這個部分我們跟海 海是我們很重要的一個區塊所以這個海洋的話語權我們希望能夠透過公共媒體能夠展現我們的一個獨立性跟自主性
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transcript.whisperx[352].text 那所以你有沒有相關的這個自治節目的一個比例的提升計畫有 我們再提供給委員好 那請把這個部分提供出來那本席講到的第二個部分是節目的規劃然後在海洋的這個主題上是不是能夠有更進一步的一個處理跟更細緻的一個規劃那這個部分如果有的話是不是要提供給本席我們再提供 然後跟委員做討論 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[353].text 最後幾點很清楚的case也就是原專班本席一直非常的關注那本席關注的是說不管是新設的原專班或過去的原專班我們都不希望原住民被聘用的人才在薪資的部分或者是實際應該得到的一個回饋會縮水
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transcript.whisperx[354].text 那本席在這邊提醒一下這個園民會所以就在跟教育部的這個平台上我們要切記就是說因為原專班而受聘的或者是因為原專班而來面的學生老師跟學生在原住民這個區塊那園民會應該有責任確保他們的回饋跟他們的受教是達到很實質效度的不會在這個過程當中被稀釋掉
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 所以本席先做個提醒那日後當然就這個部分來跟你們做相關資料的一個查詢最後原住民族博物館我們知道先前已經做了一些準備那目前在籌備那本席這邊要提醒的是本席其實在文化單位也都有跟他們提醒那也就是說還有教育單位也是我們在籌備的過程當中我們要仿照過去
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transcript.whisperx[356].text 實現博物館所碰到的困境一樣我們在過程當中就要跟在地有很大的連結所以在高雄目前所在的這個民族博物館的周遭我們有台灣藝術大學裡面其實有博物館系我不知道園民會這邊或者是我們籌備單位有沒有跟他們做一些連結
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transcript.whisperx[357].text 另外高雄也有好多個學校甚至屏東的學校竟然要在高雄那往北的台南往南的屏東這些大學相關的科系或者是可用的人才應該是園民會這邊要透過園住民族博物館
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transcript.whisperx[358].text 在籌備跟未來成立的過程當中把我們讓原住民族的人才有發揮的一個平台然後也應該跟其他的學校做一些合作然後讓他們的專業能夠映注到我們原住民族的博物館本席在這個部分會一直做一些監督所以本席在這一屆其實很早就關係到原住民族的博物館很樂見目前有一點進度因為睽違八年之後自從
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transcript.whisperx[359].text 本席在先前在新北市那看到你們這場鬧劇之後終於座落在高雄但是你們如何在這樣子的條件下把原住民族博物館做到最好然後做出原住民族的一個形象我覺得這點是很重要的尤其在籌備的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[360].text 有 我們都有跟鄰近的 就是不管是這個政修還有跟台南這邊的一些大專業校要找一些專業的學校 而不是那個碰到了就不能就地或便宜行事所以整個高雄 台南 甚至屏東應該都是我們第一原住民的人才應該在這個平台上能夠發揮
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transcript.whisperx[361].text 第二相關學校的一個專業應該吸取他們的專業然後大家一起合作然後讓我們原住民的博物館做出世界一流的一個主題好不好好謝謝我們下一位請鄭天才委員發言質詢
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 主席有請主委主委好副主委以及所有的同仁辛苦了首先這個不是要問土地的問題是要勉勵勉勵園民會尤其是主委副主委所有的同仁勉勵你們
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transcript.whisperx[363].text 要突破法例想辦法突破為了原住民主的潛意我們就以這個鎮化邊原住民保留地作為例民國七十六年因為沈議員的爭取質詢台灣省政府開始調查然後確立了七十七年二月一號以前原住民使用祖先的土地
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transcript.whisperx[364].text 然後繼續使用就可以真化變為原住民保留地一個處理原則沒有法律突破國有財源法突破地方制度法突破各縣市的地方自治的相關的規定突破鄉鎮有的這些土地只要是公有的土地無論是它是國有
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transcript.whisperx[365].text 縣市有鄉鎮市有只要符合7721繼續使用祖先的土地就可以增編維園住民保留地就可以取得所有錢了到現在為止沒有法律的依據所以我以這個作為免利接下來部落公法這已經有法律了
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transcript.whisperx[366].text 原住民族基本法104年12月16號第二條之一部落要成為公法人授權言明會訂設置辦法部落公法人的設置辦法104年到現在超過10年了超過11年了所以 主委不要什麼事辦
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transcript.whisperx[367].text 怎麼還要試辦呢還要花那麼多錢試辦直接就定辦法了你看看山地鄉民國41年山地鄉自治成立山地鄉公守對不對現在山地原住民可以擔任鄉長如果按照現在的人民會的做法先試辦
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transcript.whisperx[369].text 原住民族綜合發展基金是依這個研究法18條都很清楚所以這個部分啊115年度又擴大還增加一個部落120萬違法致用原住民族綜合發展基金就就業基金這樣的一個情形反而會讓未來的行政院絕對不會同意為什麼呢120萬
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transcript.whisperx[370].text 行政延命會所核定的部落739個一個部落126個 8億多啊 以後行政院就不會同意了你要這樣想啊當初本席所提出的部落公法人不是要花這麼多錢的 不是不用花很多錢的所以這個部分不要再示範
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transcript.whisperx[371].text 我們看這個你們提到本會推動原住民族學校事辦計劃又是事辦對不對法律已經有法律了我剛講了振化邊原住民保留地沒有法律到現在沒有法律現在有法律了原住民族教育法15條108年前修的時候特別針對各級政府各級政府
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transcript.whisperx[372].text 設立各級原住民族學校原住民學校設立是向另一法律定制要定法律啊這麼多原住民族重點學校這麼多手原住民族實驗教育學校這麼多手原住民實驗教育級重點學校這麼多手這個等於是事半了啦
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transcript.whisperx[374].text 107年還辦了很多場的公聽會然後完成了原住民主學校法的草案草案就在你們的手上啊把這個草案就送送行政院行政院送到立法院就有法律依據這個要花多少錢沒有多少錢啊
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transcript.whisperx[378].text 這個平埔原住民族群身份法已經通過已經公布施行本席在去年6月13號在平埔原住民族群還沒有這個正式開始登記之前我就協調原民會
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transcript.whisperx[379].text 這個財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會還有財團法人原住民族語言發展基金會召開協調會要因應增列你們的顏額跟預算所以請一下這個原住民族文化事業基金會董事長你們有沒有增加顏額有沒有增加經費
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transcript.whisperx[380].text 沒有對不對要跟園民會爭取啊園民會要去跟主計總署爭取啊這個我們原住民族語言發展基金會董事長我們的新科董事長當然你剛來了就要去把這個相關的
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transcript.whisperx[381].text 已發基金會的人員額因為你要增加很多的族主義啊這麼多十幾個族群呢平埔族群十幾個當然要增加你們的言和增加你們的預算啊所以要去爭取要提報給人民會明年度現在正在籌編計劃籌編預算人民會當然一樣這個
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transcript.whisperx[382].text 兩個都姓曾我們處長 曾處長要利用這樣的機會啊過去為了因應精神啊 人民會的組織 設置條例 以前叫設置條例就修 增加 增加處你們現在都增加一個課平埔園住民課還不是完整的你們就修足
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transcript.whisperx[383].text 組織 組織法最起碼增加一個處甚至平埔原住民署啊對不對所以要掌握各種機會來爭取各項的權益增加人力 增加預算好不好 繼續加油採責任台灣族怎麼說採責任 加油的意思
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transcript.whisperx[384].text 好 打顆例好 下一位請張志倫委員發言質詢 張志倫張志倫 張志倫不在 下一位請徐欣盈委員發言質詢好 謝謝主席 本席有請我們曾主委主委麻煩
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transcript.whisperx[385].text 我們今天本席今天要跟您談的是我們原民會有沒有建立一個原鄉生命線道路的韌性戰略
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transcript.whisperx[386].text 我們原鄉不能一直活在這種落實的陰影之下所以主委我今天要談的是我們原住民部落的生活權生存權還有安全回家的權利
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transcript.whisperx[387].text 我相信您應該知道今年二月在新竹縣的竹122縣瑞豐隧道前大量落石突然崩落當時警察跟民眾都在場巨石從山壁整個砸下來大家拔腿狂奔媒體說生死一瞬間
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transcript.whisperx[388].text 在去年我們這個司馬庫斯去年9月3月跟9月都有發生大規模的攤房旅客受損部落交通中斷物資進不去最後在第一時間出動大型機具的不是中央也不是大型的工程單位而是部落自己
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transcript.whisperx[389].text 所以主委我必須很沉重的說我們台灣最美的山林後面不能永遠藏著最危險的回家道路所以首先我要請教您新竹的尖石跟五峰這幾年是不是常發生落石、攤方、邊坡滑動還有道路中斷
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transcript.whisperx[390].text 所以很多都是發生在我們原住民的主要聯絡道路上所以這表示什麼表示這不是單一的災害而是我們原鄉的交通韌性長期不足
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transcript.whisperx[391].text 所以我們一條道路中斷整個部落就被孤立孩子上學受影響老人家看病受影響我們的農產品也運不出去整個觀光也停擺所以主委本席請教您原民會有沒有建立高風險原鄉道路資料庫有沒有回答有或沒有
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transcript.whisperx[392].text 有那請問有沒有完整的盤點哪些道路最容易落實
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 包括我們總共盤點是1500多公里的原住民部落聯絡道路然後我們也知道哪些抑制災路段以及抑形成孤島部落那本市剛剛說的竹一、一二二線有沒有那部分是線道不是我們主管的道路所以這就是問題這個線道交通部的選擇對好交通部的選擇這就是問題所在
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transcript.whisperx[394].text 五峰鄉啊他最重要就是這條道路你整個原住民部落就是這條道路你就一句說啊這個是交通不全責所以本席接著就要問你你原住民原民會你每年都有部落聯絡道路的改善計劃原鄉的建設計劃防災減災的預算
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transcript.whisperx[395].text 可是這一條是原鄉部落他最主要的道路你就依據交通部好啊那交通部我請教你他跟所有其他這個人口密集各方面交通部面對的是全國但是我們原住民原住民的部落原住民的鄉鎮
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transcript.whisperx[396].text 包委員那個交通部的深圳大陸計劃以及提前大陸品計劃有針對原鄉部分他特別匡列一部分預算我就請教你122線長期這樣請問解決了沒嗎你說啊解決了沒
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transcript.whisperx[397].text 所以本席要說的是那你今天如果都這樣的話我們為什麼有園民會園民會我們就是特別要照顧我們原住民園民會最了解原住民的需求嘛所以我們五蜂箱的這個重要最重要而且唯一的道路長期如此
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transcript.whisperx[398].text 那我們鄉長代表會主席副主席我們所有的代表村長全部是我們原住民這個的朋友那他們很無奈所以我覺得我們這個園民會這裡那這個整個是都是我們原住民的部落你們應該可以想辦法我請教你部落聯絡道路改善你可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[399].text 補助經費 不行 這有規定所以這一個部分有些不行的你就要專案嘛你就要提跟中央討論嘛我本席現在來講其實很多特別需要專案的那就是要有人去爭取我們全國的自來水偏遠地區他們永遠都比不贏這些都會區
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transcript.whisperx[400].text 所以本席在第八屆的時候十幾年前我就特別跟行政院跟中央提出來你要分這個一般的還有偏遠地區偏遠地區要有專案那今天你們是原民會你原民的鄉鎮情況就這樣了長期這樣無法改善主委總是不能做事不管吧
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transcript.whisperx[402].text 所以你們應該要特別針對因為你是原民會嘛我們原住民族的部落他碰到了什麼瓶頸不要就用官方的回覆嘛啊這不行這個找交通部好啊那你們原民會來幫他這個交通部我們也在爭取但是你整個原民會你還是要想辦法讓你這個照顧部落尤其你又叫做部落聯絡道路他五峰就那一條道路耶
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transcript.whisperx[403].text 十幾年了沒有辦法改善這情形不能坐視不管吧好所以哪些道路容易有落實你們說有盤點那我122線應該在裡面哪些部落最容易被孤立你們真的要去關心一下你身為原民會你就是得關心嗎好再來針對這個落實的部分你們有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[404].text 原民的部落大部分在山區嘛對不對那請問有關這個邊坡的監測還有一些落實現在都已經進入了這個AI的落實監測請問原民會建立了沒
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transcript.whisperx[405].text 所以你們是比任何單位你們幾乎照顧的 全國的 但我知道可能有一些我沒去過的他不是在山區道路他本身有他主管機關的選擇
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transcript.whisperx[407].text 因為道路也是對我們原住民的生活非常非常重要的所以你們 沒關係 那因為時間的關係你們我可以做一個簡單的回應嗎 針對道路 道路的部分好 請 跟我們報告就是說我們目前道路分好幾種 一種叫農路 還有公路
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transcript.whisperx[408].text 公路可能是交通部我們在各個部會裡面都有道路改善的中長程計畫那這個中長程計畫會在國發會去審議那我們在參與的過程裡我們都會表達你原住民的部落鄉鎮他十幾年來都沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[409].text 類似像生活圈我們因為參與這個計畫定定所以我們有表達原住民的這個年外的部分公路的部分請他們也納入所以剛剛委員提的關切的幾個個案什麼時候提的我們參與這個計畫審查的時候在國發會我們會提供你年年提年年沒有是這樣嗎那我跟委員報告剛剛委員提的這些個案我們都可以去了解然後我們可以來協助
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transcript.whisperx[412].text 副主委還有副主委我拜託你們你們要積極主動來了解這十幾二十年了應該十幾年十幾年一直在希望可以改善都沒有改善而且就是唯一一條最重要的道路至今沒有所以應該是交通部有你們這邊如果可以協助我也怕交通部給的也不夠我們來協調協調交通部跟新竹縣政府
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transcript.whisperx[413].text 新竹縣政府當然也是但是我覺得原民會既然有那幾個項目應該要給他這個定義或對象你要廣泛一點不要這樣限縮嘛他照道理他就是啊因為每個每個地方的環境不同嘛好不好我們馬上去了解好所以所以本席現在最後再問一下我們原鄉高風險道路
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transcript.whisperx[416].text 那再來就是原鄉生命線道路韌性計畫這個部分我們希望原民會可以開始來進行包含邊坡的治理防落石的工程替代的路網韌性設計長期的防災這個部分我們希望你們本席今天提的你們能夠在一個禮拜內能夠給我們一個回應好
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transcript.whisperx[417].text 那最後我想我們請原民會永遠記住一句話我們原鄉不能永遠活在落實的陰影之下這個尤其很多主要道路就那一條你們一定要想辦法改善不要讓原鄉我們的原住民朋友們都一直活在這種陰影之下三不五時就發生三不五時就發生可以嗎好加油謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[418].text 我們下一位請伍麗華委員發言質詢謝謝主席有請主委那如果有遇到相關的處事的問題也可以由處長回答沒問題
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transcript.whisperx[419].text 主委是這樣我今天關切的這些主題很多都是已經關心很多年所以我希望等一下的每一個議題原民會可以在兩個禮拜之內提供我書面的一個報告可以嗎可以好 謝謝首先我還是要來關心一下部落工法人的問題
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transcript.whisperx[420].text 今天是2026年的5月20號
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transcript.whisperx[421].text 那我知道的就是我們部落公法人組織設置辦法草案最早預告的時間是在105年的5月5號所以到現在來講也已經躺在那邊10年了所以呢我在前年113年6月25號當時的院會總質詢我有特別跟卓院長說如果原住民自治
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transcript.whisperx[422].text 還沒有辦法做到那我們起碼就先來處理部落公法人那我說如果部落公法人沒有辦法馬上上路我們是不是至少也來示範一下知道困難在哪裡讓我們的預告公告可以早點的上路
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transcript.whisperx[423].text 所以呢我特別會關心這個問題就是我這六年半在立法院我看過很多的陳情案假設雅尼的回饋金或者是朗宇的核廢料補償金我們就會遇到一個問題錢到底要存在哪裡協會可以代表部落嗎公所可以代表部落嗎創設一個基金會錢存在那裡可以代表部落嗎應該是都不能代表部落
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transcript.whisperx[424].text 或者是說我們要跟誰簽約像我知道有很多狩獵自主管理協會那是零保署輔導的很可憐啊有時候他們不能簽約要透過縣府如果縣府也不想理他們他們也不知道該怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 甚至是我們部落諮商同意提到的那些利益回饋他們也不知道到底要跟誰簽是跟理事長簽嗎 跟村長簽嗎 跟鄉長簽嗎所以到底誰要辦理部落的事業像是我們辦文件站 辦互助教保中心或者是有地熱啊 或者是賣水啊
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transcript.whisperx[426].text 我們發現如果我們沒有部落公法人我們都不知道該怎麼辦所以我有特別提醒說那我們就來試辦看看但是講嚴格來講他的法律未接不足是個理由嗎也不是因為原基法也定得很清楚部落經中央原住民族主管機關核定者為公法人
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transcript.whisperx[427].text 而且也提到相關的辦法要由中央原住民族主管機關定之所以感覺上也沒有法律未接的不足那你說跟地方政府的權限會疊合會衝突好像也不是個理由因為相公所他主責的是一般行政可是部落公法人他可以去處理文化的遺產的語言的土地的自然資源的社會衝突等等
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transcript.whisperx[428].text 所以感覺上好像也不是這樣那如果說會跟地方意見領袖衝突那這就是問題所在啊因為我們現在部落就是很亂啊村長、理事長、傳統領袖大家吵來吵去不是更應該趕快去處理部落公法人的問題嗎所以我在上個禮拜看到園民台
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transcript.whisperx[429].text 卑南族自辦這個自治公聽會他還完成了所有部落的收整意見所以這個地方我當時是要求說第一找一些需要部落公法人工具的正在需要這個工具的部落來示範
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transcript.whisperx[430].text 然後也要推動法制化的過程加速然後要有成果要有座談發表那我發現好像我也等不到所以我在這邊看到的就是我們有開始要做示範可是當時114年的4月18號突然就來了一紙公文
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transcript.whisperx[431].text 主委您的看法如何
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transcript.whisperx[432].text 這個就是矢板的成果我們會很快的在兩個禮拜內對成果然後就要分析啊就要檢討啊就要改變啊我希望書面報告全部這些內容都要有好不好好那第二個我也是等很久了因為我進到立法院很多人陳情說現在的國小校園想要蓋傳統的矢板屋都沒有辦法取得執照
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transcript.whisperx[433].text 所以這個部分就很麻煩很多原住民他蓋的石板屋他也很想要有紙照他才能貸款啊很多的舊的石板屋他不想拆掉但是他一直遭到違建開罰到最後他不得不拆掉
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transcript.whisperx[434].text 多麼可惜我們原住民族的這種傳統石板屋它歷經千年不倒多麼好的一個建築物偏偏我們的法規不願意承認它所以我其實在111年的1月我有找來各部會跟中華民國建築師公會他們告訴我說
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transcript.whisperx[435].text 最主要的原因就是沒有圖說他們不能簽證因為早在我們二三十年前建築法早就已經規定地方政府可以自己做簡化建築物的辦法大家陸陸續續各縣市政府也有
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transcript.whisperx[436].text 我就很納悶那為什麼就是沒有一間合法的我查過全國雖然有的標榜說有到最後也發現它不是純的石板屋我要講的是因為中華民國建設公會說如果沒有圖說標準沒有人敢簽證
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transcript.whisperx[437].text 那我就說好113年5月我要找張景深政委來處理這個問題一拖再拖好我現在要說的是我很高興終於今年3月16號我看到園民會為了要去處理那一些
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transcript.whisperx[438].text 要蓋我們自立建屋的有發一紙公文給縣政府說要針對原住民特色住宅建築標準圖說要來做補助結果我一看 我很高興說要15個樣式的建築標準圖說我就很開心 我以為石板屋會在裡面結果又沒有
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transcript.whisperx[439].text 都是一般建築物的標準圖說那我就不懂了所以對於我們的質詢我一直也有在追蹤就一直沒有得到答案我想請教一下到底要不要納入石板屋誰可以回答我這部分我們會請屏東縣政府因為他這個計畫我們已經合訂了那他目前正在招標當中我請他決標之後請他們研議看能不能把石板屋這部分研議
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transcript.whisperx[440].text 延誼 請地方政府延誼 那地方政府說我們已經發標出去了 招標出去了那如果不延誼呢 不同意呢這部分我會跟他講 我們會跟他寫條希望他把它放進來我也是希望兩個禮拜內 給我一個書面報告可以嗎我查一下他們決標時間 我再抓一下時間再回覆那我接下來也要問一個 就是這個我也是想不通
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transcript.whisperx[442].text 安心上工結束後呢我覺得我有看到原住民我們部落有很多洗腎患者他們很辛苦每個禮拜洗腎三次根本不可能找到正式的工作變成家裡的依賴人口我也看到很多青年返鄉做咖啡做露營場但是不是天天都有生意
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transcript.whisperx[443].text 最後他們又回到都市領固定薪水我覺得很可惜所以我一直也希望說能不能夠延續安心上工的精神針對這一些慢性病患者還有青年返鄉的這些青年給他們一個禮拜20個小時的工作機會可以去學校講故事可以幫部落做彩繪牆利用他們的才華去多一點的補貼讓他們能夠留在部落生活下去
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transcript.whisperx[444].text 很好然後我一直說我要看成果我看到園民會在113年114年用了200人的名額每年編了1300萬我一直要看到成果因為我質詢我終於拿到了我看到了之後我傻眼了
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transcript.whisperx[445].text 裡面沒有洗身患者也沒有返鄉青年都是55歲以上的中高齡可是我明明就知道這不是我的質詢目的因為園民會本來就有針對這些人有一個叫做臨時就業方案跌床架屋沒有符合我們原來的想法
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transcript.whisperx[446].text 所以這個部分我也是主委我希望兩個禮拜內給我一個書面報告好不好如果是跌床駕屋那就不要編了因為我們的目的不是這樣子那為什麼我一直很關心因為有人聽到我的諮詢會問我啊但是他們到相公所的時候相公所告訴他們沒有
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transcript.whisperx[447].text 所以我一直想要知道結果如果是這個樣子我希望有一個檢討報告可以嗎那再來就是我也是過去因為主委你也很清楚你認識很多就業輔導員像陳毅文這些
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transcript.whisperx[448].text 他們一直告訴我就業服務法有規定原住民人口達2萬人以上的縣市要設立公立的就業服務機構我一直質詢但是勞動部長告訴我說人家地方政府不要就不要我們也不能怎樣好不容易當時有一位許民村部長
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transcript.whisperx[449].text 他說他可以用勞動部的安定就業基金來補助地方政府鼓勵他們現在呢有台北、新北、桃園、台中、高雄、屏東兩萬人以上的來申請也已經上路兩三年了但是我發現一個現象我們原民會就業基金的救福人員跟勞動部安定就業基金的救福人員其實他們有很多的摩擦
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transcript.whisperx[450].text 甚至放在哪一個處事每件事都不一樣所以我一直強調要有一個檢討的機制所以我一直也不知道到底該怎麼做所以這個部分我比較緊張現在拿出來問的原因是因為財化法之後有三成的經費到地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[451].text 中央更認為地方政府應該要做不應該中央繼續的來補助因為這是地方政府的責任所以我希望原民會這邊應該要啟動討論一下也希望兩週內給我書面報告好不好好那再來我要關心的是很多族人關心的
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transcript.whisperx[452].text 因為我們都知道113年的最後一天12月31號那一天我們在院會裡面表決國土計畫法又要延後6年我先跟主委說我當時有去做三讀的發言
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transcript.whisperx[453].text 我講話我講什麼我說原住民是在跟時間賽跑啊多少年來我們這一些既有的原住民建築是不合法的建築
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transcript.whisperx[454].text 至少有六萬五千棟那麼多年的不合法大家都在等國土計畫法上路本來去年的五月一號可以開始來處理可是又要延後六年所以在延後的這段時間我們要怎麼面對我們要讓族人繼續的被檢舉繼續的被稽查嗎你可以看到那個燈號我不惜罰三萬塊我是反對的
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transcript.whisperx[455].text 因為我知道我們族人不能再等了所以我也不斷的去要求說內政部原民會我們不要等這六年我們趕快把該做的先做所以呢像原住民族的土地管理管制規則我就是要催到底何時上路那工農分區延後之後這些招檢舉稽查開法的我們要做一個輔導辦法所以想要請教一下我們到底有沒有發文
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transcript.whisperx[456].text 有沒有跟內政部做要求跟委員報告其實那個在113年12月31號就像剛剛委員所講的我們國土計劃法就是延後6年做成這樣子一個立法院這樣子通過之後那其實我們會裡面針對原民圖管的那個部分其實在同年就是我們跟我們
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transcript.whisperx[457].text 杜副主委跟他們內政部的董事長的一個雙方的副所長會議當中已經就原民圖管的部分一些修正條已經達成共識另外即便我們已經那個國土計劃法延後6年的話我其實我們在隔年就是114年的2月跟4月也分別已經發文給內政部我們希望就是說原民圖管的規則的部分能夠一起就是說
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transcript.whisperx[458].text 不受影響能夠持續發布那因為我想我明天也是要邀請國土署跟我們園民會對我們開協調會對那我們會針對這個問題跟內政部國土署來這邊一起來共同面臨一起解決
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transcript.whisperx[459].text 好 謝謝我一樣就是開完協調會還是要有一個書面報告給我那我覺得至少目前已經既有的就是過去的一生一次啦就是農地轉建地但是我們看一下這10年的辦理情形總共才173件10年來全國173件表示很難啦那很難的原因是什麼要花很多錢啦所以很多人做不到啦
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transcript.whisperx[460].text 所以我的意思是說我有看到你們1月21號有做一個修正但是我看到你們的修正只是開放本來是只能自用住宅你開放民宿還有營業的辦公處但是重點是錢啊所以我不曉得說針對這個錢的部分簡化流程例如既有的建物能不能保存登記那這些新設的怎麼降低它的成本因為很多嘛6萬5千棟嘛
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transcript.whisperx[461].text 有沒有園民會可以來做一個集體的一個什麼我跟委員報告其實我們這個在剛剛我跟委員報告的那個園民圖管這個規則裡面其實就是我們有跟內政部國土署那邊已經協調就是說就像剛剛委員所關切的我們能不能簡化那個變更用地的那個簡化行政作業流程的部分因為就像委員剛剛所提到的我們現行住宅那個計畫的那個變更建築用地的那個部分第一個就是
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transcript.whisperx[462].text 保養很麻煩啦我們自己也覺得很麻煩因為你光提個住宅新建計劃的部分那個如果不是找專業人士來做那個根本不能辦第二個就像剛剛委員所講的經費很高辦一個案子起碼要30萬以上所以這個部分我們也是希望說跟國土署因為非都管規則的部分是國土署在主政那這個部分我們會把我們建議簡化的那個行政作業流程的部分其實我們都有把我們相關的作業流程簡化的一個建議措施的部分
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transcript.whisperx[465].text 那再來就是我非常關心一件事就是因為那個審計部
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transcript.whisperx[467].text 總之他們就覺得成效不彰因為他們發現我們的原住民電視台也好 阿里安電台也好原住民收看收聽的比率在1乘5到3乘4之間然後代監的使用率 他說原住民是降到9乘都不使用所以這個部分 我當時也有問這個審計長那他覺得既然你們的審計報告這麼寫
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transcript.whisperx[468].text 他的看法如何他認為就是要用獎勵的方法做得好的就重重的獎勵他認為最有效這是審計長的說法所以我就想要請教一下因為我以前也有質詢我一直希望我們園民台可以去針對一些很主流的這一些節目像巧虎嘛大家喜歡看的去做一個簽約讓孩子從小看卡通學族語
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transcript.whisperx[472].text 謝謝委員的指教我想那個有關主委的附贈工作其實我們應該要回到整個主委環境的營造我覺得是比較重要那我們現在正在推廣我們的主委示範部落我想透過委員的提示是準確就是說用獎勵的方式來鼓勵大家來回復到過去的語言環境這個我們電話照這個方向來支持不過就是說從主委認證這個角度來看我覺得這個獎項我們是可以再來討論
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transcript.whisperx[474].text 我們再來研究 好 謝謝那還有就是我覺得我最近接到很多的陳情
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transcript.whisperx[476].text 我們的整個經費不變動的之下
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transcript.whisperx[477].text 想要有一些策進的方法作為這個大家都可以認同都可以接受不是不行但是我就覺得大家都搞不清楚狀況處長您要說明一下嗎好 謝謝給我們這個機會做說明我想剛剛您提到這幾個計畫都是過去人民會所推動的中長期計畫那我想每個中長期計畫的執行成效我們就必須對它來做一個檢討那我們這次的做一些調整都是因應過去我們在執行過程中發現的問題
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transcript.whisperx[479].text 他們想要領槍陣要去打獵但是呢就沒有訓練那當然我知道你們原先是因為靶場借不到因為我有幫你們借過那教育部的靶場說你們要自備槍支你們也沒槍也沒子彈
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transcript.whisperx[480].text 那後來呢要來自己建靶場我也有協助你們去跟國發會爭取但是後來你們又發現要圍管靶場不是一件容易簡單因為要顧慮到安全管理等等所以呢我現在要講的是說我有協助你們去爭取四方林靶場把它移撥給園民會你們的槍你們的子彈買到了沒發委現在正在招標
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transcript.whisperx[481].text 已經招標了嘛那我現在就是要講的是說因為你們有告訴我園民會在今年我有要求至少要辦40場因為全國的獵人都在問我們接到電話也覺得接到害怕那這個部分今年已經走快半年了40場可以達標嗎
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transcript.whisperx[483].text 其實未來我們開辦的訓練我們會負擔我們學園的時數的費用還有訓練的費用他負擔他到我們訓練場地的這個交通費而已所以沒有負擔他要花一萬塊錢沒有這回事那我最後的最後謝謝主席給我這麼多的時間那我最後就是要有一個提醒因為我們都知道在四月份的時候台東的原家有發生一些狀況
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transcript.whisperx[485].text 摧毀於一旦所以當時我還特別到行政院請政委開協調會去確立原家中心納入深安網但是要尊重在地文化延續委託民間辦理那現在發生了這樣的事情
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transcript.whisperx[486].text 大家又開始有樣學樣因為有一些縣政府就詢問說我們可不可以也這樣但是我其實只是要提醒雖然這件事情原民會已經去幫忙解圍但是我要再講一次當時財化法的時候我有一直強調不下十次我透過質詢我有一直強調過去原住民因為人口少我們都要仰賴中央的經費幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[487].text 因為地方政府比較沒有辦法重視可是現在財化法之後我們怕跑到中央跟中央要錢的時候中央告訴我們說那個錢已經給你的爸爸媽媽了可是地方政府爸爸媽媽依然不愛我就像財力分級一級變五級是因為經費從60億變成208億
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transcript.whisperx[489].text 如果我們的計畫互助教保中心曾經是教保員什麼一大堆一堆的計畫每一個到最後都會碰到這種情形我希望園民會要有一個說法要有一個方向那這個也提供我書面資料可以嗎好那就謝謝主席那謝謝主委今天給我很多的時間謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[490].text 好 下一位請陳英委員發言質詢好 謝謝主席 我先請教一下元宇會
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transcript.whisperx[491].text 我們兒童董事長請
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transcript.whisperx[492].text 我們先恭喜董事長上任那我想先關心一下就是有關於這個AI主義的這個教學系統那這個是在我兩三年前很致力推動的一件很重要的事情那在去年我們完成了泰魯格族塞德克族還有阿美族的這個系統的建制那今年我們
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transcript.whisperx[493].text 重點放在哪幾個族群跟委員報告我們可能目前就是要完成16個族群42個營之前的那個部分是已經完成是那前三個營完成那今年應該我的理解是有在做悲難組以外還有哪些族群
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transcript.whisperx[494].text 我們不只有做BAN男主 全部都要一起做我知道 但我們今年是其他剩下同步一起都進行是嗎同步進行那你們有預計大概什麼時候會完成就是全部語言系統的建制語言系統建制大概我們用兩年的時間到2027年全部會完成
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transcript.whisperx[495].text 2027年好那我想接下來可能就是一些周邊配套的處理的問題使用的問題那看是要未來是搭配手機或者像人手像這個斑斑有平板這樣子類似這樣的狀況你們再研議一下好好謝謝那請回座那我們現在請園民會主委
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transcript.whisperx[496].text 主委好我接下來就是要關心一下這個姓名平權的問題那我們的法律在1995年就已經可以使用原住民族傳統姓名登記身份證了那再到2024年再次修法通過可以單列族名那法律的部分我想在立法院我們委員們都有在努力推動
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transcript.whisperx[498].text 使用傳統姓名的族人常常會卡在姓名格式不符的問題那就沒有辦法順利註冊所以只能夠人工個案的特殊處理那這個部分我想請教一下原民會你們有做過哪些盤點跟調查跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[499].text 我們事實上最近正在實施的就是一個變名服務的三年計劃我們在三年前就進行跨部會的統整所以公部門的系統裡面我們都經過了初步盤點都要依據我們原住民族傳統名字的需要另外我們還建立了諮詢窗口跨機關統合跟通報的一站式服務這些都已經在上路中
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transcript.whisperx[500].text 所以大概光是公部門的盤點你們大概就花了三年的時間我們在三年前做了初步的盤整所以你剛剛講到公部門的部分公部門的部分基本上都已經盤整完成那其他呢我剛剛講到就是說除了公部門以外呢
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transcript.whisperx[501].text 那現在正好這三年的這個便民服務措施要告一個尾聲了近日我們也聽到很多族人跟我們反映說私部門的部分他們也遇到的困難像金融機構所以像今年的三月在大運委員以及這個民眾的提醒之下我們也跟內政部一起找了金管會農業部中華郵政公司等這個機關
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transcript.whisperx[502].text 讓他們去調整他們的這個金融機構的一些系統讓民眾在金融機構的那些那個什麼存簿啦那些名字上面都能夠符合我們傳統名字所以就是金融的部分金融部門也已經處理了那到年底之後我們會繼續擴展到其他的部門大眾運輸或是其他只要我們發現有問題跟困難的我們就會繼續擴展下去那現在正式在做盤點的協調
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transcript.whisperx[505].text 應該是很快啦 很快就可以完成因為這是系統調整而已通常行政機關只要願意配合我想是這樣是要特別誇他們因為他們不到一周就確實就已經修正了這個系統那我要舉例的就是說這些數位服務的限制它從來都不是技術的問題
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transcript.whisperx[509].text 都還是要排隊人工櫃檯報到登記證姓名還會顯示不完全我想這個也是相當不尊重的還要都用手要補寫上去所以這些我
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transcript.whisperx[510].text 有其實在過去都還有一些不友善的記錄啦那我這邊要特別請袁明慧你們也是要會同這個相關的這個部會來協助了解跟輔導那當然不只我剛剛講不只交通運輸啦整個的部分都要一起好不好
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transcript.whisperx[511].text 那也請你們加速好謝謝那另外我關心一下就是剛剛前面也有委員提到就是這個自制列槍安全使用訓練的問題但這個安全使用訓練這些
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transcript.whisperx[512].text 他這個課程不足的問題前陣子布農族的這個獸耳祭在台東那我光是在嚴平海端我就遇到很多的獵人收到很多的陳情這個安全使用訓練是為了符合修法後的要求目前開設的班次跟訓練的人數呢就是相當嚴重的不足那沒有上過課
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transcript.whisperx[513].text 無論是甲乙腫的這個列腔都無法換照跟申請新照對不對好那我想問一下就是說你們目前的你們開過多少種子教官的訓練課程跟委員報告我們目前在今年的1月有開辦過第一場的種子教官的課程就一場對今年今年一場好
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transcript.whisperx[514].text 一場而已去年去年是那個要考證照的族人們的訓練那個是兩場總指教官是一場總指教官就一場然後另外一場是去年去年兩場是針對要考證照的族人OK好那我們focus在這個部分那你們總共訓練了多少這個就是說總指教官
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transcript.whisperx[515].text 今年1月的種子教官培訓的課程呢我們培訓出來的是40名種子教官總共40名全部從以前到現在總共40名對所以他們是合格的種子教官是好那我再請教那合格的這些合格的種子教官他們能開課嗎有資格開課嗎是跟委員報告開課的話要符合我們的一些課規課標課準
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transcript.whisperx[516].text 尤其是在課程的場地把場等限制上都有相應的一些規範所以不是一個個人就能開課的而是要符合相關規則的這個本會或者是其他能不能說明一下這個靶場的訓練是怎麼樣你們在訓練什麼
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transcript.whisperx[517].text 各位報告我們的課程的內容有三個區塊傳統文化槍支的操作以及實務上的這個槍支的操作還有那個法令那在實務上的槍支操作的話會用到槍支所以重點靶場的訓練重點是在槍支的使用而不是射擊的訓練靶所以因為要實際的操作槍支一定要有一些槍支的一些基本的知能所以會用到槍而且會用到靶
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transcript.whisperx[518].text 好所以基於安全的理由所以特別要找這個靶場來訓練那你們這些相關的辦法都有訂定出來了嗎是我們的辦法以及這個作業的要點課程的課綱都已經完成訂定
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transcript.whisperx[519].text 好所以目前就是說那這些人這些種子教官完成訓練你們你剛剛講的就是說加上靶場的這些安全使用操作的訓練之後他們就可以開課了嗎等到像如果是本會自行開辦的話屆時這些老師就是我們會主要邀請擔任講師的對象
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transcript.whisperx[520].text 但是你們現在都是委外嗎委外辦理報告員目前我們的規劃是自辦我們會有一些事務請求地方以及合法的法廠來協助但是基本上是我們自辦因為我們要自己考試自己合法證照
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transcript.whisperx[521].text 好目前的狀況確實就是我們我們有這個已經訓練完成訓練合格的種子教官但是呢他們目前都還沒有辦法合法去教去去教學去開開開課教學現在現在狀況是這樣吧要等到我們的課程開辦了之後我們再會邀請這些老師來好
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transcript.whisperx[522].text 那再來齁另外的 抱歉我打岔一下我們的會議那個時間開到12點30分齁所以說還有大概6分鐘的時間好那這個這個部分呢我們就是就是說這些另外一個問題就是說我們開課的開課的地點都集中在都會區至少你們前面辦的都集中在北部對不對
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transcript.whisperx[523].text 是跟委員報告我們去年開課兩場一場是在林口一場是在嘉義好我想是這樣子齁我想還有很多的獵人其實他們在我想光花東就很多啦那你這兩個點其實對於還要從山上下來然後再到不管到嘉義或到北
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transcript.whisperx[525].text 這個結合這個種子教官然後你們在7月之前可以至少試辦一場這個地方部落場次然後9月之前可以試辦三場最後呢我們用滾動式修正的來處理這個相關辦法可以讓這個有需求的這個部落和獵人團體可以自行申請辦理來消化解決同一開課而無法涵蓋的受訓人數這樣子有問題嗎可以啊
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transcript.whisperx[526].text 是 我來跟委員做報告 我們目前的規劃是這樣我們已經跟 我們目前正在跟屏東 台東 花蓮三個縣的縣政府協調溝通處理他們提報的自治立場訓練的計畫 這是第一個第二個是 我們會在近期就會自己開辦至少
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transcript.whisperx[527].text 因為你們就是說現在是這樣你們自己目前在處理然後再來委託地方縣市政府處理那我們沒有辦法去保證說到底他們能不能跟地方的協會結合能不能在原鄉
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transcript.whisperx[529].text 有些場次我們可能就把它安排成示範場次讓他們有一個學習跟考考的一個對象我們本協會部分大概就是特別關注這一點希望你們可以落實最後我要請教就是說
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transcript.whisperx[530].text 要請你們原民會注意最近在台東有一批沒有辦理繼承超過年限的原住民保留地被公告拍賣雖然我們辦公室已經協調國產署先下架延商但是我看你們原民會的報告在第四頁裡面有稍微提到這個管理辦法的部分
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transcript.whisperx[531].text 讓我覺得說可能有些情況你們沒有掌握得很好喔那我想請問一下原民會你們都應該都有注意到這個情形吧有好那就是說那你們大概就是說你們裡面報告是提到就是說要等到修法
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transcript.whisperx[532].text 沒有 我跟委員報告 其實我們的策略是這樣子就是說因為這些案子 因為委員的關注 國產署他們已經在5月11號 他已經通令各分署就是在釐清那個土地法73條之一跟原期法適用一役之前 他暫緩飆售
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transcript.whisperx[533].text 就是全面的這樣 暫緩飆售 而且他們是要求就是說各個分署在6月30號之前要盤點所有未辦繼承的原保地要報到總署裡面去匯整那這個時候那個國產署也有跟我們回覆就是說到時候他們盤點完之後會邀請內政部跟我們原民會針對這個有關於土地法73條之一跟原基法適用一億的那個部分來共同來匯商 那我們會裡面也有提供我們的一個
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transcript.whisperx[534].text 意見跟立場基本上我們目前的策略就是說因為如果修法匡列廢止的話那我們能不能運用原計法上四條第二項的部分會同中央目的事業主管機關來解釋土地法因為跟委員報告因為有關於土地法第3條之一他那個所謂標五次標授的這樣的一個問題齁
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transcript.whisperx[535].text 那內政部在105年2月5號曾經做過一個函釋那個函釋的部分它的意思大概就是說即便未辦繼承的私有原保地仍有73條之一的適用那我們是希望就是說我們會裡面能不能透過原紀法34條第二項會同解釋的方式跟內政部去協商能不能就是說這個解釋的部分能不能去做一個變更來調整所以嚴格說起來就是在修法完成之前我們都不會
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transcript.whisperx[536].text 我們看能不能朝會員解釋的方式去變更原本的解釋起碼因為我們知道私人元寶地進入一般拍賣程序的話很容易出現這個人頭買賣的問題所以現在就是說我們要全面去防堵這樣的事情發生所以你們現在目前的機制是可以避免掉這樣子的一個對我們朝那個方向去努力好那就是好那我想在修法之前我們一定要滴水不漏是做好防堵的工作是謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[537].text 好 登記諮詢委員除不在場者外其餘均已諮詢完畢 詢答結束委員丁雪忠 張志倫 吳祺銘 高晶書梅 徐欣儀所提書面諮詢列入記錄並刊登空報書面諮詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會本次會議到此結束 現在散會 謝謝各位