| IVOD_ID |
17449 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17449 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T08:36:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T10:35:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:58:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd28af0f0e72e77d22d4828ff2e654818d601341028818003db2cbbbf4504a9ac15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會單位預算。
二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸研究所單位預算。
【一、本次會議進行處理；二、變更行政院公共工程委員會、交通部運輸研究所預算提案截止收件時間為5月15日下午2時；交通部中央氣象署、觀光署及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第4目）、公路局及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第2目）、航港局（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第3目）、航港建設基金、臺灣港務股份有限公司預算提案截止收件時間為5月20日下午2時】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:49 - 10:35:00 |
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好各位我們現在開始開會我們初期的委員已經到達法定人數我們現在正式來開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議紀錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第十三次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年五月十一日星期一上午九時三分至十一時十八分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員林俊憲等十三人列席委員鄭任前等六人請假委員魯明哲列席官員交通部部長陳士凱等 |
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主席林昭吉委員俊憲報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一二繼續審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款交通部主管第一幕交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
1609.208 |
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1628.365 |
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決議一本日預算審查結果照協商結論通過二本日通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整三第一案及第二案均審查完畢內容如審查結果交通部單位預算一稅入部分第二款第144項照列第三款第117項照列第四款第156項照列第五款第7項 |
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除第一幕七十五億六千零十五萬五千元佔照列其餘均照列第七款第一百五十三項照列二稅出部分第十四款第一項改列為四百八十六億七千二百五十五萬三千元本項提案四案保留送院會處理通過決議五十一項直轄市及縣市一般性補助款交通部主管第一幕交通部預算照列本項通過決議一項散會宣布完畢 |
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好 請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有意見沒有意見 我們議事錄確定好 那我們現在介紹我們在場的委員首先有許富奎委員好 我們滕青榮委員我們介紹列席人員我們有行政院工程會我們主任委員陳金德 陳主委副主任委員陳維祥 |
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副主任委員李怡德主任秘書羅天健我們企劃處的代理處長謝基正我們技術處的程春錦處長工程管理處處長林耀幹處長秘書處的處長邵志祺處長採購申訴審議委員會執行秘書張明珠 |
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我們中央採購的集合小組執行秘書徐肇熙工程技術鑑定委員會執行秘書曾鈞敏我們法規委員會執行秘書陳韻時我們資訊推動小組執行秘書沈恆光我們人事室的主任賴家陽主計是主任孫慧 |
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還有我們行政院主計總署公務預算處科長陳桂華好那現在我們要開始進行討論事項115年度中行政院公共工程委員會及交通部運輸研究所單位預算的處理現在我們來進行協商同時也請議事人員宣讀預算數及委員提案 |
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好各位委員我們現在就開始來進行討論事項大家我們開始來看行政院工程會的預算我們第一到三案變案處理各位委員有沒有意見好沒有意見的話我們就通過第四到六案各位委員有沒有意見 |
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行政院公共工程委會 稅出機關別預算書第二款行政院主管第十八項 公共工程委方前董 我再修正一下第一道商案我們就不處理啦因為大家都沒有意見嘛所以我們就不處理我所謂的通過就是照原預算案通過了我們就不處理現在第四到六案四到六案各位有沒有意見我有提案 但是已經有跟我辦公室溝通這個我也沒有意見好 第四到六案我們也不處理 |
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好 那我們第七到九案 各位委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話 那我們也不處理第十到二十七案 各位委員有沒有意見好 陳建安委員謝謝 謝謝主席 謝謝召委 |
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那我在我們行政院公共工程委員會我在這邊有提了第十案、第十一案基本上我們的有關公共工程企劃跟法規業務這邊 |
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那在這裡我們看到我們在採購法的一個部分我們因為或許我們採購法太久沒有修正有一些採購的一個條件相對的寬鬆 |
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那尤其我們今年看到我們國防軍火的一個採購案那整個資格寬鬆到只要符合國際貿易都可以來標所以造成我們現在看到的賣茶葉的也可以來標軍火那做裝修工時的也可以來買賣軍火等等這些狀況 |
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1941.835 |
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1957.768 |
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那包括我們的第十一案也一樣包括我們的公部門還有我們的所謂的國營企業就像我在巡打以後提出我們中華郵政 |
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1959.309 |
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1988.027 |
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那明明那個採購那已經指定是要國產的一個一個項目一個輪胎竟然用越南的一個產品也能夠啊來順利齁測標順利的來交貨等等這些這些整個在我們採購法沒有去把它這個修法等於在我們的一個法規業務啊沒有做到 |
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1989.708 |
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2001.574 |
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這樣的一個採購的一個資大那也能夠來防避杜絕弊端這樣的情況所以我在這邊我在第十案 |
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2006.631 |
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2015.202 |
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這個算減本預算1300萬另外在這個第11案我提出的凍結預算的20% |
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2020.769 |
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那在這裡我也直接就因為公共工程委員會有特別來跟我辦公室溝通我們就直接來處理那我在這邊我修正我們凍結的部分我還是堅持刪除刪除一千三改凍結六百萬 |
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改總結就百萬啦那總結的部分就請我們公共工程委員會那去處面報告好不好那OK在於中之這樣是不是主委這邊我們這邊主席這邊我也覺得第一個這個部分一定要凸顯我們的採購法有我們目前的一個修法的一個必要第二個我刪除改總結 |
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2075.157 |
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好 陳委員那你的詢問報告是多久 簡單的多久提出來三個月好 請徐副委員發言謝謝主席 我提出第十四案我想過去我們工程會有預告要修正政府採購法那要刪除三家廠商投標一個限制的條文那因為我們在預告期間也收到社會多元的一個建言 |
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2103.763 |
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2131.632 |
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所以我們決定要調整這個修法的一個期程那這個會期不會送到立法院那我個人是認為工程會還是要儘快檢討這個政府採購法第一次招標要三家的一個限制那也應該要提出相關的一個雙綁的防避措施那為我們政府採購的一個清廉跟效能所以我提案凍結原本凍結500萬改凍結100萬那請交通委員會我們工程會提出書面報告之後使得解凍謝謝 |
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2134.206 |
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2150.984 |
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好 謝謝我們其他委員有沒有意見好 我們請工程會來做說明謝謝那個陳委員改動解六百萬然後書面報告 |
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主席還有各位委員有關於第11案原來提案有說要提出政府採購法的修法的草案這件事情是不是我們可以改成我們提出政府採購法修法的書面報告因為草案可能還有一定的程序 |
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有關於第13案就是115年公共工程的企劃及法規業務編列的預算是1億310萬那它的用途主要是要辦理政府採購 |
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採購法規的相關的綜合性的一些業務那我們必須要考量勞動人口的減少目前在工程的方面也面臨到勞工缺少的這樣的一個缺工的問題那傳統習慣使用的這種常駐的工法 |
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2232.405 |
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2256.952 |
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由於在工期時間較長而且勞力也比較密集那已經逐漸無法滿足我們的這種建築的需求那面臨缺工問題工程會應該要研擬相關的措施或者是建議來均衡這種人力短缺的問題提高建設的效率我提議凍結500萬 |
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2259.622 |
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2287.154 |
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好 謝謝分組委員好 行政黨委員要做說明嗎不能 那我們就統一啦謝謝那我們現在在行政院工程會的公共工程企劃及法規業務我們就統一凍結六百萬那三個月內請工程會就各委員提案的推選的項目來提出做順便報告 |
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2302.772 |
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本席剛沒有發言是因為我的提案不管是第16或第17那工程會以及2526那工程會私下都已經有跟我們講是說他們可以配合辦理 |
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那並且認為是說本席提出來的相關的一個建議就包括其實是督促工程會這邊要來做提升不管是健全技師工程顧問法規等等的這個國際競爭力等等那我比較好奇是既然工程會也都可以接受本席所提包括說第16 17案2600多萬的預算裡面他凍結5% |
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他認為是可以做得到啦那我只是說這樣子看起來是不是還是要尊重我們各委員的一個提案那不然你整個大幕 |
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2340.505 |
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一億三百多萬到最後說只凍結六百萬像我不知道這個計算技術怎麼來的我沒有 我先講說我尊重昭緯的這個主持但是我沒有發言是因為工程會私下也已經溝通我也接受工程會的溝通那我也認為工程會也都跟我們講是說我們凍結5%有據他們也都可以做得到也都可以推動業務不會有影響那如果說這樣的話是不是還是一樣 |
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2368.803 |
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尊重我們提案委員的這個凍結的一個樹木讓工程會這邊能夠加速來進行他們應該要做的一個業務好不好來 請工程會說明第28案106年度行政公務總管會預算第三幕公共技術業務 |
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2383.78 |
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2406.795 |
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我想跟主席還有各務委員報告那剛有關於5%的5%的凍結跟這個600萬的這個凍結因為他的科目母數是不一樣的是不是我們還是就照這個原來這個提案上面有一個年度預算數的那個母數去分別就是就600萬和5%去做處理519年度行政院公共廠 |
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2420.49 |
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主秘你這樣講我可以接受我不是說5%是這第二幕的一億多的5%本席提的 因為我自己提的案我自己 |
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我提的是在這第十六十計就是兩千六百多萬的這個五趴嘛但是因為 朝偉他剛剛是整部一億多只動六百萬那這樣就等於是開花這樣就不省了嘛所以我才會提說既然工程會做得到那也都已經私下溝通了那我覺得說還是要尊重我們私下溝通的一個 |
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了解不然的話我花時間跟你們溝通這樣子好像很奇怪沒有意義啊謝謝好那工程會同意好那我們就第十到二十七案公共工程企劃及法規業務我們就凍結六百萬三個月提出報告另外剛好委員提出來的 |
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他比較關心的是第16、17案健全技師工程技術工程提升競爭力這個部分這部分另外再凍結5%了這科目的母數是2600多萬對不對2657萬3000塊這裡凍結5%那有提出三個月內提出報告後時的解凍好如果沒有意見的話我們就照修正案通過 |
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各位我們現在看第28到39案剛剛有關於第10到27案這部分其中有一個第21案黃委員已經測案了他好像表示他願意測案 |
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所以呢所以21案是不是就是就不主理了21案我們就不主理是 |
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各位委員 剛組密的補充說明我們第十案到二十七案 第二十一案撤案就不處理那我們第二幕 就是洪孟愷委員 洪孟愷委員關心的部分我們就凍結五趴啦 就是第十六十千的部分那另外 其餘的我們就凍結六百萬 |
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並上個月內提出書面報告 實得動之各位委員有沒有意見 沒有意見我們就照修正案通過接下來我們繼續看28到39案各位委員 請李坤澤委員 |
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115年的公共工程的技術業務這個部分編列預算是6800萬左右它的用途主要是要推動永續發展跟節能減碳的一個重要的理念那我們必須是要提升公共工程這種節能減碳的落實 |
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但是我看我們公共工程碳排放的這種試算的系統預計是2027年才能上線測試我們來跟荷蘭做個比較荷蘭在2017年就已經線上在作業了我們系統的建制是略嫌緩慢 |
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那應該要多參照世界主要國家的做法要加強監禁那我提凍結預算一百萬那提說明報告後解凍 以上好 謝謝 |
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謝主席我提出第28案我想公共工程委員會推動這個公共工程簡簡單單要掌握碳排放量但是因為我們的公共工程的類型很多那目前公開碳排放量的係數跟種類有限那我們查詢了114年9月30號的一個相關的資訊那個資訊從113年5月就沒有再更新過那所以我想這個部分公共工程委員會 |
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跟應該跟環境部跟所有的這個工程的主管單位應該要滾動檢討所以我提案凍結500萬那請這個提出書面報告之後使得動之好 請何孟楷委員好 再次感謝本期是第31案我想 |
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2022年我們草野大家共同推動氣候變遷因應法的修法正式把2050淨零碳排給入法那當時淨零碳排入法之後其實各部會都有相關責任我記得氣候變遷因應法工程會也有相關的督導責任那只是到目前為止我想 |
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又過了四年的時間可是對於減碳就是說我們一直強調的是如果說我們真的是私部門的一般的建築沒有辦法一步到位就已經做成它的建築是零碳建築的話那至少我們的工部門未來要做的一些重大公共工程我們要以零碳的方向來去做推動 |
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那這個標準就是公共工程委員會這邊要訂立出來嘛因為訂立出來之後我們才會各地方政府不管是中央政府、地方政府各部會要做重大公共工程就有跡可循可是其實已經歷經三任主委了我在這交通委員會裡面我至少跟三位主委提過一樣的概念而這件事情在英國 |
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淨零碳台相對做得好一點的英國或是歐洲等國家他們是2014年2015年就有政府帶頭的標準出來可是到目前為止我們的公共工程已經到2026年了10年過去了我們還沒有辦法跟上那甚至我剛剛聽到說崑澤委員這比較隻身神敗啊還講是說他比較了解是工程會到2027可能才會有標準那實際上這已經慢了人家10多年了 |
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所以本席31案其實也還是一樣要求的是希望公共工程委員會能夠加速辦理這樣的一個部分因為2050淨零碳排是目標那每晚一天我們就是時間達成的時間越縮短一天那你要達成的難度就越來越困難 |
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那如果說是要做真的不是做假的那就應該要積極的趕快把這個目標定下來所以本席這邊凍結5%是在第31案那我希望是這個5%能夠針對這個科目公共工程技術業務的這個科目凍結5%能夠獨立出來好不好 以上謝謝好 謝謝好 焦委員 |
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現在機關在編列預算的時候參考的價格資料庫跟實際市場的行情落差太大而且現在的資料編碼正確率長期都只有接近五成導致資料的完整度跟可信度都打折扣而且公共工程流標常常跟價格估算不準有關 |
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既然工程會要用這筆違反費來改善就應該要說清楚價格的資料庫什麼時候可以修正還有提高資料庫的正確率那怎麼讓機關在編預算的時候可以更貼近市場的行情所以本席提議要凍結20%並要求工程會三個月內要說明清楚以上好 謝謝好 請陳建榮委員好 謝謝主席 |
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那我提出的是我們的第三十五案吼有關於我們工程會應用AI創新應用分析跟強化政府議事權這樣的一個計畫那這個原計畫我們在預算裡面吶 |
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詳細的一個敘述內容所以我在這邊提出了3減1000萬加凍結20%我們公共工程委員會也有針對我第35案來做一個說明那我在這邊直接來調整就是原來3減1000萬的部分 |
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我們改就凍結10%所以就我們的預算數4,485,000元凍結10%那由公共工程委員會向我們本委員會提出書面報告來同意解凍好 謝謝好 那我們現在先請工程委員來做說明好 請準備 |
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主席還有各位委員那剛剛有關我們到董議員坐著發言好不好坐著沒關係請坐那個有關於第28到31案那因為分別凍結500 100還有10%大概是120萬5%大概是62萬多那是不是請示主席我們就 |
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統一一個數字但是剛剛洪委員有提到說31案要特別的去動那這個就看委員的指示那有關於第34案邱委員的這個部分是不是同意我們就是剛剛原來邱委員有提到這個方向工程會基本上都認同 |
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那只是後面那個專案報告並經同意後是不是改成書面報告那這個部分就請邱委員看是不是同意那有關35案陳委員謝謝陳委員剛提到的就是有關於這個三點改動節這個工程會遵照辦理 |
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好 謝謝各位我們是不是就工程會的說明我們就統一來凍結 |
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就是剛委員有凍結一百五百還有四百的嘛十八跟五八嘛還有一個六十幾萬所以我們就統一凍結兩百萬好不好那也請工程會我們就統一凍結兩百萬那請工程會就各委員所關心的 |
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各事項 提出 上個月內提出書面報告 實得動之好 總理來我覺得那個 有一個小問題就是剛剛那個35案那我們剛剛忘記報告有一個有關村委員員來提出一個專案報告這個部分我們是不是可以改成書面報告好 村委員也同意 謝謝 |
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那我們就統一凍結兩百萬請工程會提出 三個月內提出書面報告後 取得凍資各位委員 我們就照修正案通過接下來 我們看四十到五十四案各位委員有沒有意見 |
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主要是針對於公共工程管理業務公共工程品質管理的計畫3087萬 |
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我這邊提出這個凍結10%那經過你們協調之後我同意把調整凍結5%那最主要主要的原因是因為我們推動公務工程品質查核施工管理跟制度精進用這樣的一個經費但是我們發覺歷年來公務工程它的一個公安施工安全事件不斷的反覆的發生那我們認為說 |
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重大的一個職災以營造類為主政府興辦的公共工程本來就應該發揮引領的作用帶頭達成零職災宣示的一個目標所以我這邊提議凍結5%等到我們公共工程委員會會同勞動部相關工程主管機關就公共工程重大職災原因的分析工程查核跟職安管理等等的一個機制提出書面報告 使得動之 以上 |
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好 謝謝盧委員各位還有意見嗎請洪孟凱委員好 稍微感謝本席提的第48案最主要還是針對我們 |
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公共城委會這邊已經做行之有年了算是國內的一個蠻高標準的一個金職獎那這個金職獎其實也是各廠商的一個第一來講是一個榮譽但第二個部分它其實也享有一些權利就是說如果說真的獲得金職獎的話它其實是有一些相關的一個權益跟加分 |
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那這樣子的話就變成是這個金子獎的評選就一定要更公正客觀透明那但是對於委員的遴選機制以及我們過去有看到有一些可能還是有飽受質疑的地方所以說我希望是工程會這邊能夠針對這個金子獎 |
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委員領選跟除名的方式能夠來做一個完整的說明那並且也不能說變成是萬年委員那如果說真的都變成是萬年委員之後那大家也都知道不管是任何產業都一樣啦任何產業都一樣你說像金馬獎、金鐘獎、金曲獎它的評審雖然都是這一些業界大佬但他也不可能是永遠是萬年的委員嘛那我們還是希望是能夠加強這樣的一個 |
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選取的公正性所以本期這邊提案說是凍結300萬有一些文字修正這個工程會私下也有跟本期辦公室這邊來做討論那我可以接受這個文字修正所以文字修正我的提案文字修正後可以來這個執行那但是凍結300萬我想我會堅持 |
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那另外我也幫53案的黃建豪召委這邊來說明一下他關心的53案的部分我不知道說等一下工程會也說明一下有沒有跟黃建豪召委這邊溝通過那因為他有特別講到是說他希望是能夠針對這53案的部分來他關心的地方那請這個工程會這邊來跟他來做說明所以他這凍結30%我想等一下也請召委這邊 |
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來重視看是不是說合併在這一幕裡面但至少說他的這個凍結術裡面要在這個整個幕裡面展現好不好 以上謝謝好 謝謝各位好 那我們就請工程會先說明 |
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主席 各位委員 那首先有關於 我們就從最後一案開始就是剛剛洪委員有幫黃委員提到的第53案那這個工程會有拜會委員辦公室 |
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那我們基本上針對委員關切的防火這個部分我們會做一些動作比如說我們會去會同這個相關機關去檢討施工綱號規範然後強化這個施工安全查核機制那委員辦公室是初步同意我們的這個修正的文字就是我們提出書面報告然後 |
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至於裡面有一些細節的我在這裡報告一下就是凍結這個預算34%行政院工程會就如何檢討並強化公共工程施工建材光號爐塑膠模板等之耐燃標準與防火管理 |
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並經濟工程施工查核機制修正為與凍結該預算14%工程會會同相關機關檢討施工綱要規範對施工建材等之防火需求並精進施工查核機制這個部分這有關第53案的這個部分 |
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那剛剛第48案洪委員的這個部分就是謝謝委員這個同意文字修正那剛剛第45案有關盧委員這個部分謝謝委員就是凍結改凍結5%改書面那這個部分謝謝委員的指導 |
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好 各位委員 我們剛剛幾位委員的意見 凍結150萬 凍結300萬另外一個凍結DMU的10%大概六十幾萬嘛 是不是這樣好 那工程會呢 我們就同意凍結凍結200萬好不好 |
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三百萬有沒有意見好主委也同意那我們就同意凍結三百萬那請工程會針對各位委員關心的事項三個月內提出溯源報告後 使得凍資好各位我們現在看55到76案好就我們決議案第55案各位委員有沒有意見好工程會沒意見我們就要通過第56案有沒有修正他有修正嗎 |
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主席第五十五案各位委員 大家有拿到修正案的...有發給大家了好 接下來你們第五十五案 請許志杰委員不好意思 剛才我遮住你沒看不好意思 事實案那個有理法 拜託我講 |
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現在就是那個113年開始,這一百倍之案核准通過,為什麼執行進度是0? |
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那這個是不是希望工程會簡單解釋一下 |
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謝謝委員的指正那有關113點重大災害就災害復健的這個部分那有些工程師災害比較嚴重他必須要從規劃調查了解整個災害的原因他才會去做整個發包施作這樣才能避免災害重複發生那這幾個案子我們 |
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上個禮拜都有找機關來檢討那這個部分我們會後續會持續來追蹤它的整個災後復健的一個進度以上對好謝謝應該會盡快完成嗎我們後續會來追蹤進度是臨時比較誇張對就是剛才他可能災害比較嚴重必須要先做調查再來做設計加速我們會加速好謝謝 |
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各位委員我們現在看組決議部分喔第55案有修正各位委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話沒有意見的話我們就來請主委那個跟主席報告那我們是不是這個組決議的最後面的倒數第二行開始我們可以修正成請工程會提供花東學分 |
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幫辦理辦學經驗與嘉義縣政府以協助該事辦計畫順利推展裡面那麼長我都沒有辦法重複喔 抱歉抱歉就是我們大概就是提供我們在花東的這個經驗然後供這個嘉義縣政府參考好那就這樣的修正各位有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們照照修正案通過好 第56案 |
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各位有沒有意見沒有意見的話照修正案通過好第57案有沒有意見沒有意見的話也是照修正案通過第58案 |
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各位有沒有意見沒有意見的話照修正案通過第59案有沒有意見沒有意見的話通過第50案各位有沒有意見沒有意見通過第61案 |
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各位委員如果沒有意見通過第62案大家有意見嗎沒有的話照修正案通過第63案各位委員有沒有意見沒有的話照修正案通過第64案各位委員有意見嗎沒有的話通過第65案有意見各位有沒有意見的話我們照修正案通過第67案 |
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沒有意見的話我們就照沒有意見的話就通過第68案各位有意見好 請黃孟楷委員來 召會感謝68案是我們邱若驊委員的提案那我也看到邱若驊委員這邊有這個文字在修正那不過其實本期會在這邊在提的就是不管是68案或是接下來你再看到後面74案 |
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然後還是本席剛剛在預算討論的時候的這個前幾案其實不分朝野藍綠委員大家共同都還是關心一個議題就是淨零碳排減能減碳就是說工程會要訂出標準的這個碳排的一個部分來讓其他單位能夠有一個issue |
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所以其實六八案的精神或七十四案的精神還是剛剛我們李坤哲委員或是本席這邊所提到的其實都是這樣的精神那我是不是能夠請主委這邊也來說明一下說到底我們現在能不能以工程會是一個領頭羊帶頭的角色因為真的講了很久了啊我也說這也不是說只注意你這年 |
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3758.439 |
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3769.948 |
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我前三任我想我們甚至早晚應該都有質詢過或是關心過類似的議題但能不能真的做一些實事因為我們已經歷經三任的主委了那總不能說近年判排2050的目標定出來結果 |
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各部會連我們自己中央政府或說地方政府公部門要做的建築都還沒有這樣的一個魄力或決心要去做零碳建築那如果說連公部門都沒有零碳建築的話那民間更不可能會去遵循嘛主委是不是能夠說明一下 |
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3792.779 |
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3809.288 |
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好 謝謝就請公職會說明副主委來好 謝謝主席那也謝謝也謝謝那個洪委員我先說明一下再請主委補充啦副主委先發言了再請主委補充啦好嗎各位啊 洪委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3825.551 |
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那謝謝謝謝黃委員謝謝那個我沒意見啦其實說因為這個議題其實我不是主委我們就都是就事論事我其實我只是想要聽到的說主委的決心或說主委的方向還是主委有沒有願意往這個方向走 |
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工工工程的碳排它主要來自於它材料就是原來的生產材料這一段比方說水泥或者是石灰石鋼筋在那個階段碳就排出去了所以就工工工程我們來講是收集這些工法跟工項的碳排係數就每一個單位它會排多少碳 |
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那這個碳排氣數建置之後呢希望在各機關他在設計公務工程的時候在設計階段就要注意到這個減碳的事情那麼預算編列都會特別編列這個碳盤查的這樣的預算 |
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所以他只要公共工程會將來基本設計審查的時候也會提醒這個管理碳排的部分那這樣從設計到施工如果他完全要再按照這樣子來做的話他的碳排就會按照設計的減少碳排 |
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這是基本上公共工程委員會希望做的這樣的一個事情我們有幾個武器嘛在基本設計審查然後呢在提供給這個碳排係數所以這個是我們長期推動下去是會就公共工程委員他的碳排會減少的以上跟委員報告 |
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好 謝謝 各位委員 我們繼續回到預算第68案有沒有意見 沒有意見的話 照修正案通過第69案 沒有意見 照修正案通過來 請邱委員 邱董事主決議69案有進行溝通本席是要求行政院公共工程委員會應該要積極研議政府採購法則修正以強化對實際施工者之報酬保障 |
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3934.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
3947.812 |
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那公共工程委員會這邊是有說明就是巨額是兩億以上嘛那研議建立跨部會之營建資源交流可不可以說明就是這個研議是在什麼前提之下才會進行研議那是什麼樣的交流 |
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好 請說明 請工程會說明委員好 那因為這個平台目前我們還沒有建立啦所以我們可能還要去想怎麼建置跟跨部會的協調所以我們才會說保守一點 用研議這兩個字啦那個資源平台我們大概就是會把照委員的意見就是把人力跟機具我們做個交流的平台 讓各機關去檢視那看看它哪些工程會比較急需那優先來支配到這些工程去先去執行以上報告 對 |
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好謝謝那我們第69案就照修正案通過第70案有意見嗎沒有的話照案通過第71案好照案通過第72案照案通過第73案各位沒有意見的話我們照修正案通過第74案照案通過75案沒有意見的話照案通過第76案 |
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各位好那我們照修正案通過好那我們工程會的預算審查的討論我們就到這地方接下來是輪到運營運營所好那我們就先休息十分鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
4044.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
謝謝觀看,下次見 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
4063.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
主委 謝謝你 |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
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你們還有兩會基金的運轉 下禮拜也可能可以出席那下禮拜一會 下禮拜四留下禮拜一會 下禮拜四留下禮拜四留下禮拜四留下禮拜四留 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
4109.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
謝謝 還有人要等一下 請問等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
4141.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
我們的傳統是這樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
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你去叫人歷練回來不太習慣了哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
沒有 剛剛有跟我說那個主委我要下一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4214.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
對阿,一般都會冷,差不多就一年不會大家出來拿去買東西買東西賣多了,賣多了賣多了 |
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4243.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
4262.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
海拔 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
4279.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4283.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
今年是他市長選舉跟預言選舉配合他們就弄不完 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
4302.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4309.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
你現在藝人不會跟你掛什麼聯合的規樣去做一些推薦什麼時候都老鳥啊有的不是像我們那邊我那邊除了藝人怎麼會需要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4331.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
他什麼時候發的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4365.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
簡單文字我就拿一張照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
4397.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
4404.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
在選舉的時候他們都會希望,當然不是全場希望,譬如說廣告、評判、照片、文宣推薦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
4453.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
副市長 |
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4512.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4513.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那是南區的 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
4540.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
4543.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
就真的去顧一個男女 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
4630.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
4630.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
韓國瑜議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
4652.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4652.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
鸡蛋 |
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4749.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
4774.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
這個公園是在2012年1月3日開業 |
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4800.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
4804.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
来来来来来 |
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4862.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
4863.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
你到底要做什么 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
4908.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
4908.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
4950.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
4971.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
好謝謝各位我們繼續審查那接下來我們是運輸研究所的預算我們也先介紹今天的列席人員首先接我們介紹交通部常務次長林國賢我們介紹我們會計處的處長黃宏文好也介紹我們應援所的所長黃興勳 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
4974.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
4989.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
我們主計室的主任何勇志我們行政院主計總署公務預算處科長陳桂華好各位委員我們現在開始進行運營所的預算審查第一案 |
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4991.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
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各位好我們第一案我們提案委員不在第一案我們就不處理好我們第二到二十五案各位有沒有意見魯明哲委員好謝謝主席那我這邊有提了三案首先第五案第五案我們看到今年度零額預算編了 |
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五千七百萬那這五千七百萬呢是從今年開始新興的計畫為期四年總經費是大概2.4億的整個預算那我們有看到現在這個預算是陸運及港灣智慧防災調適技術研發應用計畫那它是一個新的計畫但是延續的前期的計畫 |
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我看改了幾個字前期已經執行完的計畫是陸運港灣設施防災技術研究計畫感覺這個很像那現在是要把這個研究計畫是落實到底的情況是如何所以我們希望能夠來說明一下到底前期的一個計畫實際的成果跟應用的層面還有現在的一個應用計畫它具體的設備 |
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預期的目標效益還有沒有跟其他部會共同合作甚至國外合作的一個計畫要執行到底情況是如何所以我這邊提案是針對這個案子是凍結10%希望你對那些詳細的前期計畫跟新興計畫要如何落實做說明使得動之好 謝謝好 請局務部委員 |
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謝主席我提出第四案那有鑑於我們這個運營所有編列的運輸科技應用研究業務的一個新增項目是這個針對陸運跟港灣自衛防災還有調試技術的一個研發技術那因為我想受到現在極端氣候跟強震的影響陸運跟港灣的設施能有一些受損的狀況交通中斷也會造成經濟跟社會成本的負擔 |
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所以我想這個計畫雖然已經發展了檢測跟防災應用技術但是在食物上面包含資料整合及時預警的一個精度跟跨系統的一個應變能量上面我想還是應該要再強化一個食物的需求所以我想經過這個運營所來溝通我們先提案凍結100萬那請提出書面報告之後 使得動之 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 請邱若驊委員謝謝張委那本席提的是第三案那這一筆年度預算是9953萬那預算將近一億那過去審查已經多次被提醒很多計畫都掛上智慧化還有AI的名義卻沒有說明清楚跟以前的計畫差在哪裡也沒有說明清楚為什麼要增加經費那再來是江峰事故的死傷人數今年也沒有明顯下降有部分的年度還是增加的 |
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那既然這些研究已經做了很多年就沒有實際轉化成道路的安全改善就檢討的必要那也希望應援所不能只把成果停留在研究報告還有論文應該要說明清楚怎麼執法還有監理跟工程的改善那這邊有來溝通那比起就是同意改書面然後凍結10%那也希望在報告裡面你們都可以具體說明清楚謝謝 以上 |
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好 謝謝 請林秉哲委員好 謝謝主席那剩下的14案和18案我一併來做個說明那這兩個案子正好都是四年計畫的最後一年最後一年的預算今年編上來那我們非常想了解這個計畫經過了前面三年它到底計畫的一個落實程度或得到一個相關的一個初步的一個成果為何也希望我們的這個預言所能夠來說明一下 |
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那針對於第18案18案最主要是無人機針對於交通相關的一些運用事實上運營所很早就跟中華郵政來合作來研究如何用無人機運送物資到偏遠這個地方去那這個部分到底落實的如何 |
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主要是因為經濟部今年也要扶植國內無人機產業其中就包括了觀光署、港澳公司、中華郵政、淘汰公司等等所以我感覺是不是有部分重複的部分所以我這兩案都提出凍結10%希望提出專案或者有跟我們溝通希望調整為書面報告 此得動之 以上好 謝謝 請陳金榮委員 |
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我在這裡也針對第16案剛才我們魯明哲議員也有提到我們無人機在交通領域應用這一個部分包括跟中華郵政的這樣的一個合作案到目前也還沒有真正的一個確實的一個定論所以我在這邊也提出了一個重解20% |
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那當然我這邊原來提案是提專案報告我這邊可以改順便報告改順便報告那冬季的比例因為我們有好多有幾位委員都有提出那我這邊的比例是百分之二十那這邊我尊重有主席趙薇這邊來採定冬季的比例好 謝謝黃孟凱委員 |
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好 主席謝謝第一幕我就針對幾個我的提案來做一個說明第八案的部分這個是一個新興計畫四年期那首年就編列了五千七百萬所以等一下也請我們運營所這邊來說明一下是說到底這個新興計畫預計四年要用多少費用以及 |
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你預計的成效因為這個看起來你其實有很多都是四年計劃但有些四年計劃的這個比例費用並沒有到那麼的高那這個凸顯就是說到底現在的一個急迫性那另外本席提的第十九案其實也跟我們幾位剛剛陳靜潤委員魯敏哲委員一樣無人機的運用 |
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你看這第十九案它無人機的運用其實就是四年計畫的最後一年但是四年過去了到底我們目前做到的成果我也記得才上禮拜上上禮拜吧我們也是一樣審查交通部相關所屬預算那還包括中華郵政等等每一個各部會都我們交通部下面的各公司也好單位也好也都有無人機相關的預算那就變成是從一開始 |
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運營所的一個四年計畫到現在每一個部門每一個公司都編列無人機無人機沒有錯我們都知道說它的運用越來越廣泛或是說無人機越來越重要但是總不能每個人大家都編了這個刷碼無人機 駭碼無人機但是真的實際的運用在哪邊成效是什麼好像目前我們還是沒有看到一個比較具體比較明確就如同講說中華郵政 |
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這個如果說我們運營所跟中華郵政這邊已經有做了這個相關的一個合作計畫的話那四年過去了到底具體中華郵政有沒有辦法在偏鄉地區有無人機的一個郵遞的一個配送或是怎麼樣的一個狀況我想這些都是我們所關注的所以等一下十九案的部分也請運營所這邊再做一個說明以上 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝那也跟大家報告我們的第二案 萬美女委員的提案她萬美女要改為主決議好 那我們就請議員所來說明好 謝謝主席跟委員首先在第三到第十案這邊謝謝邱委員 徐委員 盧委員還有陳委的這個指教 |
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那我們事實上在前期111到114那我們透過新興的科技計畫來去做所謂的防災跟研發那也讓它落地那今年的話我們這個強調透過剛剛邱委員說的就是AI大數據但是我們從單點的技術來去邁向整個系統化的技術所以透過AI這個深度學習去處理碼頭劣化等等還有一個港磁波浪的這個模擬還有這個港區智慧化 |
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那另外因應氣候變遷法的施行所以我們在這一期特別把整個香港的氣候變遷的風險評估跟調適策略來納進來那相關的這些剛剛委員所垂詢說我們的一個實質的這個成就我們在前期的話包括地工支部的橋級保護工也獲得了發明專利之外也特別在高工局的國山大甲溪橋 |
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那個來正式來實施每一噸橋墩透過我們的工法每一噸可以節省公帑兩百萬以上剛剛只是說一個例子也請各位委員放心另外各位委員有特別垂詢到UAB這邊做簡便簡單的這個中整的回應事實上所以面從109年開始到111年我們是最無人機最 |
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做這個所謂的概念性的一個測試然後到112年到113年我們在花蓮等等做所謂的服務性的這個驗證那在去年跟今年我們跟中華郵政還有統一超商Photono來合作要做這個物流配送的商業的驗證那在今年我們會把這樣的 |
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跟中華郵政對於他的包裹行李等等郵包這些的這個物流配送還真正在技術上在他應該可以有的這個廊道上會在技術上還完成這樣的一個驗證沒有問題但是因為就是要做這件事情的時候要考慮到整個這個航安以及這個營運監理 |
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這塊所以會等到這個民調局對相關的這個規範妥妥當了之後那這個就可以真正來去落實大概做以上這樣的一個回應那也謝謝各位委員就是說跟常委報告就是我們有跟各位委員來去 |
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協商就是拜託就是在整個這個二到二十五這一塊就是是不是可以這個凍結百分之十然後我們提出書面報告後值得凍結以上簡單報告 謝謝 |
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好 請諾言好 謝謝主席剛剛育研所的說明我其實蠻擔心的因為畢竟我們省預算都希望這個經費用在刀口上那育研所本身是研究的我們可以理解啦當然會有很多一個研究計畫但我們真的希望很多的研究計畫從選定標題開始找單位在落實過程中真的希望它到最後是可以落地的 |
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不是它變成在空中變成藏金格多一本書我是覺得這個我相信是全民都不願意看到的所以剛剛講說你們已經研究了三年到底我想事後會後再書面跟我們說明一下到底現在這實驗的機構在不管花蓮在偏鄉你們運了多少次 |
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多少量體成功的方式到底是如何運到了山上哪一個郵局後面是如何遞送的因為你不可能兜兜逗嘛不可能飛到客戶那邊所以到底你們全軍是如何到底什麼時候才可以落地給中華郵政變成一個實務那你剛剛有講我很擔心啊三年之後你告訴我我們還要研究看民航局要怎麼樣去核准就是說如果都都沒有的話就是抱歉了花了幾千萬上億之後就是 |
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完假的所以我們也希望因為這個次長也在了因為你正好也是韓物類別的我們希望你能夠來協助希望這是一個真正可以落地的計畫以上好 謝謝 請洪孟導演 |
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我跟魯明哲委員的理解有點不同如果您剛講過去這四年的計畫已經有跟中華郵政甚至跟7-11等相關的業者都有來做溝通討論 |
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事實上我覺得這比較會屬於是最後一哩路的運用等於是說有一些偏遠山區的地方你可能路途沒有那麼的遙遠所以說你會希望是說能夠用無人機來補足最後一哩路嘛那可是你會講到是說這個只要民航相關法規能夠突破的話我們就可以來上路或是說就可以來真的落實好 那我就馬上看到那我們坐在您右手邊的這就是之前的民航局局長 |
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所以過去是預言所一直被卡著無人機都是因為民航局那也不對啊 |
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拉回來我比較務實的來講就是說如果說真的是民航相關業務法規那該空域管制的要管制譬如說博愛特區譬如說我們機場附近絕對不可能有無人機去干擾嘛但如果說我們現在討論的一直都是說偏遠山區人力不足的地方郵差沒有辦法到達的地方能不能用無人機來補足這偏遠山區做一里路那可以試辦吧可以突破吧 |
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那我覺得如果說真的指示民航局那邊要怎麼樣突破你的技術已經有成熟到一定程度了業者也願意配合了那指叉民航局作為理路那能不能請次長這邊來主持一下因為次長你應該是最了解 |
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一個月內兩個月內能夠針對這個部分偏鄉的地方無人機運用真的能夠把它給突破我覺得這樣子才比較有一個實質的進展所以我這樣比較主動的來講是說如果陳如剛所長講的真的都已經談了業者都有意願了那就只插民航局的話那是不是次長可以承諾一下我們一個月內召集相關會議看哪裡那我先講偏遠山區先來示範 |
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不影響非安天遠三區線來示範那也是無人機我們最需要的地方嘛那這樣子我想我們這個預算更能夠有一個實質的進展好不好 以上謝謝好 那製作單位的老闆剛好兩位委員都很關心我一起說明一下那個無人機示範的部分因為目前無人機的法規規定不可以投擲或者是不可以在市區外飛行 |
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那所以他們現在的測試不管是跟中華郵政在進食箱或者是跟醫藥單位跑在阿里山送血清這個都是示範的性質那等於有點沙盒實驗的性質就在既有法規下先開拓一個窗口讓他們可以示範 |
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但是如果要變常態飛行要變成可以定時定點丟東西然後定時在那個航道上走的話那就得跟民航局申請出來他有一個通路那這個部分我們的法規還在研擬中因為物流的法規目前是在民航局那邊訂定所以我會麻煩院所跟民航局這邊 |
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這邊整合再來看因為民航局今年也會把物流的指引提出來所以大概可以符合未來落地的使用那院所這邊的示範呢可能還會結合很多地方一個是市區外一個是他可能會跨越很多很多空域包含軍方包含民間的組長那這個都得在既有體制要先申請豁免或先申請那個紅區排除 |
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所以這些都是示範過程中間需要知道的問題知道以後根據醫院所的回饋 民安局在訂定物流 無人機物流執行的時候會把它訂入 注意事項跟請求辦理事項我先這樣報告 已經示範好幾年好 謝謝 那個 所長 你說你同意凍結18號 |
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委員最多提案凍結是五百萬那你十八是九百九百多萬趙主席按照主席的好主席我們再說一下 抱歉我知道你要先處理我們第一步的運輸科技應用研究業務我們一趙委員提案最多凍結五百萬 |
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那請議員所針對各委員關心的事項我們三個月內提出書面報告再動之好嗎好你第一幕的部分總共五百萬凍結對我們其中第二案我再重複第二案的萬美齡委員我們就第二案改為主決議然後我們第一幕就凍結五百萬然後其他各委員關心的我們就三個月內提出書面報告再動之 |
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好 來 趙偉是 感謝那趙偉我這分別因為在第16到第20我們幾位委員不分藍綠白啦包括陳青龍委員 邱若驊 魯明哲 洪孟凱 李昆哲委員都有針對無人機運用這部分那我是不是真的因為剛剛次長講到一個是你又說法規限制又說今年民航局才要出指引那指引可以大於法規嗎 |
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所以我現在其實我覺得我們大家都一起就是說希望是說台灣可以更便利然後往這個好的方向走那已經做了三年的計畫你也說一直都有在示範所以說技術上沒有問題因為確實嘛我們看到美國矽谷其實它根本不是投擲啊 |
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我們不是像以前那直升機來美國大兵然後投那個物資然後降落傘下來不是啊現在無人機運用它是可以定點直接垂降到特定的地方而且是直接降載那甚至我看過那個影片它測試說運送雞蛋運送鮮奶都沒有問題所以它的穩定性是完全沒有問題但現在是法規的狀況嘛那你如果說你今年才有直營的話那不是代表說還是遙遙無期所以我比較具體的還是說因為既然 |
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次長也已經升任次長那您之前在民航局一定了解民航局的本位的思考那以及現在我們大多數也期待是說能夠在台灣有更進一步的科技的運用看到美國有那麼方便的一個無人機的一個運送那也許台灣也有業者或中華電信也願意在偏鄉地區來做無人機的一個使用那我們能夠怎麼樣突破這個法令我覺得這才是關鍵 |
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所以是不是能夠次長召集會議然後你提出你們的版本那如果說需要修法的部分立法院送進來我們來共同討論我覺得這樣子還比較有一個時效能不能在今年有一個突破好不好好 鮑威沒問題這是我們的方向好 謝謝啦我覺得這個議題我看大家都很關心我們請議員所這個努力加油好不好 |
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好 謝謝 那各位委員我們現在來看第26案第二幕的一般行政邱委員有意見嗎來 好有說明的齁那我們第26案就不處理齁各位委員我們看第27到38案第三幕的運輸研究業務齁我們並按主理 各位委員有沒有意見請許智傑委員謝謝主席 我這個35案齁 |
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這個南高雄我們高雄到底有沒有機會有非消遣機場這個之前運營所在104年有做過評估 |
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然後現在交通部 棉檔局正好次長有來也有機會評估那現在是不是有沒有機會就是交通部或者是運營所可以評估看看從科學來講就是它的冊封問題到底有沒有機會解決我們是用科學來解釋會比較好好 等一下請他們解釋一下好 謝謝 |
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有建於最近我們這個地方政府為了強化新人安全有加強我們執行各項新人的防護措施 |
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比如說像是行人友善區 行人優先區但是因為它的這個整個壓縮了一個通行跟停車的空間也造成一些這個多樣的一個彩色的標誌看看回SARS我想這個造成這個行人跟這個駕駛的很多的一個困擾那所以我想這個運營署也來溝通過那我還是提案凍結100萬那請運營所能夠制定一個相關的行人安全標線 標誌的指引 |
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主要是要加長宣導讓我們的用路人知道這樣的一個安全的遵守跟維持一個交通的一個秩序的穩定那請提出書面報告之後使得解凍好謝謝好謝謝主席提兩案33案跟第37案那這兩案子的這個共同都是四年計畫的最後一年都一樣包括了第一個是我們有關於人本交通運輸研究發展計畫這個其實 |
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我們的國民有非常多的團體非常關心這樣一個研究的計畫它的成果到底如何因為你原本的總計畫是3.43億這麼多的經費到底未來會落實在我們交通部哪些的單位還有落實在地方政府如何配合這個部分我們希望能夠進一步的說明那第37案的一個部分也是針對於我們潛能 |
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節能減碳低碳運輸跟低耗能交通場域最後一年的一個計畫到底落實在什麼單位最後也希望你們說明第33案你們總共 |
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預定了3.43億但是今年最後一年的計劃你們編了8400多萬總共四年結算才編了2.65億當然我們一方面說謝謝你謝謝你省掉了7000多萬結果這個計劃你原本說要編3.4億了你現在只用2.65億可是我們在省預算的時候從第一年你們跟我們一個說法總計劃然後逐年去做一個這個編列 |
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那這個計畫到底發生了什麼樣的情況啊還是當時這個計畫就有這個超編啊有碰瘋所以現在把它縮編了最後這個人本交通啊你們總共都在花2.65億啊到底落實在什麼單位我覺得還是要做一個說明所以我這兩案子都是凍結10%以上報告好感謝金城金融委員 |
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好 謝謝教委那我這邊提出的是第31案跟38案31案就是我們的人搬交通這個部分那我在這邊提出3.8百萬加凍結20%那第38案也是有關於無人機 |
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運用在港區黃浦堤的這樣的一個巡檢的一個應用我提出凍結20%那有關這兩案我們運輸院救手這邊有來做同門溝通那刪檢的部分我就不刪檢但是這兩案我主張說改凍結10%我從20%改凍結10% |
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經營業委員會提出宣傳報告之後再同意通知一下好 謝謝陳委員好 讓我們進入黃孟楷委員 |
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三十二案的部分人本交通這個第一期的計劃但是總共是要四期嘛那這個計劃的一個部分已經到了這個尾聲但是針對我們的這個人本交通的運輸好像沒有針對說全台的這個無障礙的一個部分或高齡者的一個 |
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移動來做一個研究者討論所以說我這邊是不是請運營所這邊還是要針對高齡者障礙者跟行動不便者的權益的一個部分也把納入人本交通的一個研究範圍然後並且來提出相關的報告以上謝謝好有提動結案嗎好謝謝洪委員請運營所說明 |
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好謝謝稍微那各位委員說剛剛所指教的包括大陸交通標示標線徐委員這邊那我們會按照委員的這個提示指導來去辦理那剛剛也謝謝非常謝謝陳勤龍委員對於我們的說明可以接受那之後我們也會按照您所關心的議題來去做相關的處理 |
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那魯明哲委員長謝謝啦就是非常關心說為什麼我們帶人本交通這一塊提了那麼多錢最後不是我們碰撞啦是因為足跡重數基於國家整體財政所以他沒有辦法每年提報那我們只好就是把 |
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把我們優先必須然後趕快做的做那是還是需要做的是稍微往後所以也跟委員報告就說因為人本交通陳如寧剛關心的這些議題非常重要包括我們剛剛講的無障礙這一塊通用也是所以因此我們在也報了人本交通的第二期從116年到119年那行政院看到這個計畫是重要的因此在今年的4月24號也正式核定那相關 |
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那個後續我們要做的像剛剛您關心的一些細節我們再提供給委員來去做參考剛剛那個徐委員所關心的這個機場的部分我想後續我們會跟這個民進黨局這邊按照剛剛委員所關心的不管是空域也好不管是土地徵收來看看這個部分來怎麼樣的做一個處理 |
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徐委員報告啦,那個104年的這個是民航局做的不是運營所,先跟委員來報告,不好意思,謝謝志祺要補充一下,志祺委員關心的那個南部機場專案我們從應該1992大概十幾年,最早是民航局,運營所沒錯啦,最新的是民航局那您最近還有高雄市政府最近提出來的 |
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在內地的部分大概都比較難因為必須20小時又不要有噪音又不要有宵禁所以目前趨勢都是往海邊或是靠海甚至填海造陸所以如果填海造陸有可能的話那這邊必須把風的方位找出來我剛跟委員報告至少10年的長風要在95%跑道的方位 |
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那這個如果繞出來又跟周邊的漆櫃還有那些貨櫃啟動機沒有衝突那這個區位就未來可以當作candidate就是候選地那但是因為填海造陸的過程需要評估海流海氣象所以那一塊我們可能會請港公司跟民航局再來斟酌到底是靠離海多遠 |
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那個方位要同步把它的風的方位一步調查出來因為大概要10年的累計資料才能夠有一個穩定的常態風才可行所以先跟委員做這個報告所以請教次長一下就是說我們是不是交通部不管是運營所或者是民航局就是有一個專案 |
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然後這個調查風向的專案是不是已經啟動了或者是什麼時候啟動 |
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跟您不好意思跟您報告因為我們現在所有的風的偵測器氣象署都是在陸地上那海上如果是離岸甚至幾百公尺到一兩公里以上的目前是沒有海上的這個偵測器所以如果要進行這樣的調查勢必得在填海造陸的過程一面做圍籬一面把風標跟儀器設上去填的過程順便把風位找出來 |
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那所以這個地方的變數就比較多但是如果地填了出來就有可行性但是如果地填不出來 方位不對在做的過程當中你還要要多久 要多久才能夠比如說這個計畫什麼時候可以啟動要多久可以知道它的最後的十年的側風到底是 風向到底是怎麼跑 |
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總是用科學來做一個界定不然現在大家都是一個是東西向一個是南北向一個是在受東北季風影響現在都各說各話跟委員報告風的方位是一定要調查出來我也跟各位報告我們中部的都是南北向高雄跟屏東是東西向 |
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所以這個地方的變化蠻大的那勢必得根據實際風的方位累積出資訊我們才能做跑道方位的定位那第二個呢兩條跑道間隔要兩公里以上加上安全區長度3.8到4公里這個地要1000到1200公頃所以我們如果要在外海填出這樣的範圍可能至少要一二十年的時間才有辦法處理 |
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我知道那個跟次長報告一下就是說這個你如果是百年計畫一二十年也還值得但是就是說到底這個風向我十年知道的風向可不可以提早知道就是說根據以前的資料或者是以後的預測的資料你在等填海等十年二十年等多久我才可以知道這十年的風向的紀錄 |
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海上沒有偵測風的儀器所以目前海上資訊都是比較大的區域東北季風或新南季風這樣的資訊但是沒有正式的統計風力大小跟風的方位都要統計出來才能判斷 |
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6878.979 |
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那第二個您剛提的如果要開始做這件事情第一個他必須要能設立風的統計儀器那這個通常得要先有設在海裡的這個固定的裝置啦所以這一塊我們會讓港公司先去評估在他填海造陸的區位如果已經有可以設置風標記的話那我們從那邊開始收集所以這個要先做嗎你才有辦法撤吧好謝謝你謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
6880.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
6906.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
好那我們回來處理預算我們這樣我們各位委員提的都是凍結案有1002003008001000我們就我們的這樣我們同意在第四個委員我們如果運輸業研究業務第三步我們就凍結1000萬請他三個月內提出報告好可以嗎好那我們就招我們就做這樣的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
6909.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
6933.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
接下来请各位我们来看第39案第四目的一般建筑及设备好就就有跟邱委员说明过我们那第39我们就不处理各位我们看组决议案第40到48案第40案各位人有没有意见没有的话通过41案 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
6934.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
6961.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
沒有意見的話通過42案沒有意見好通過第43案各位有修正請大家看修正修正案各位有沒有意見沒有意見的話因為沒有意見那我們就照修正案通過第44案一樣有修正就最後的專案報告改書面報告好沒有意見的話我們照修正案通過第45案 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
6963.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
6981.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
各位委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們就照修正案通過好我們議員所的預算第4646到48案我們照案通過那40 41 42還有46到48案是照案通過那43 44 45是修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
6990.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
6993.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
好各位我們一年手的預算就處理到這裡好 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
7005.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
7007.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
好 各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
7031.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
7054.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
不好意思各位委員那我們就協商完成我們做以下的宣告第一經歷協商結論免以宣讀我們授權議事人員整理作為決議列入紀錄第二我們委員要求提供書面報告及相關資料請公共工程委員會及交通部盡速於書面答覆如有委員對於提案要補簽列入紀錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
7057.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
7077.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
那針對本日的會議我們做以下的決議本日預算審查結果我們照協商結論通過本日通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員做調整第三我們115年度行政院公共工程委員會及交通部運輸研究所單位預算審查完畢散會 |