| IVOD_ID |
17441 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17441 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-18T08:32:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-18T11:53:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:20:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8d241381c4f8c7fc76524978e6018887a955e7df6f93f061b7b695d4fecf9ee917f21238cd2d4c2e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於司法院及所屬主管收支部分。
二、繼續審查司法院函送財團法人法律扶助基金會115年度預算書案。
【5月18日、20日及21日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:32:15 - 11:53:00 |
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然後其他人因為他們也沒辦法往前 |
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報告委員會出席委員五人 以足法定人數請主席宣布開會那我們現在開會進行報告事項 宣讀上次會議的議事錄立法院第十一屆第五會期司法及法制委員會第十三次全體委員會議議事錄實踐中華民國一百一十五年五月十一日星期一上午九十一分至十一時五十六分 |
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地點本院紅龍302會議室出席委員陳昭資委員等12人列席委員鍾嘉斌委員等4人列席官員司法院秘書長高金之等人主席翁昭琦委員小林報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項一 並案審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬據法官法第90條條文修正草案案等二案二 繼續並案審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬據刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案等五案 |
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1844.802 |
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3.繼續併案審查台灣民眾黨黨團領據刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案等四案本次會議由委員吳宗憲等九人提出質詢委員許宇珍、蔡其桑提出書面質詢決議報告及詢答完畢第一案至第三案均另定期繼續審查委員執行時要求提供相關資料或以書面答覆者請相關機關進訴送交個別委員及本會宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位 上次會議議事錄有錯誤或遺漏沒有錯誤或遺漏的話 我們議事錄就確定了接著我們介紹到場的委員跟應該要列席的官員先介紹在場的委員吳宗憲委員還有林佩祥委員官員的部分 我們來看有司法院高金之秘書長 |
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還有財團法人法律輔助基金會董事長莊秋達莊董事長 |
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1904.79 |
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那其餘列席的機關代表因為預算案先前報告詢答的時候我們已做過介紹我們今天本次會議就不再逐一介紹請參閱名單並列入公報記錄那本次的會議我們就三天一次會那第一天首日的議程我們就排定討論事項繼續審查115年度的中央政府總預算案關於司法院及所屬主管收支部分 |
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1932.906 |
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1936.388 |
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與財團法輪法務福祉基金會第115年的預算書案那由於會議第三天第三日的一個議程排定是審查115年度總統府主管就不含中研院的中研究院的預算案那特別提醒那審查預算相關的提案 |
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1951.098 |
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1962.565 |
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在5月21號上午10點30分截止收案 我們預時就不受理了那也請機關於之後的會議處理提案之前利用這個時間先與提案委員來進行溝通協調以後續的預算的審查那本日的議程我們討論事項有兩案 |
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1974.252 |
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1981.399 |
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那前面已經本會第11次全體委員會會議報告跟巡打完畢那決議是都另定期繼續審查那所以預算提案於5月11號下午2點截止收件 |
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1989.406 |
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2008.538 |
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那所以我們今天就來繼續來做審查那現在來進行討論事項先請議事人員一併宣讀本日的討論事項個案的全部預算數以及首收委員的預算的一個提案宣讀時間差不多16分鐘了來請宣讀 |
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2011.259 |
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討論事項第一案115年度司法院主管稅務部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第二十三項司法院第二十四項最高法院第二十五項台灣台北高等行政法院第二十六項台中高等行政法院第二十七項證監法院第二十八項法官學院均無劣數二十九項台灣高等法院二百八十六萬二千元三十項台灣高等法院台中分院五十六萬元三十一項台灣高等法院台南分院十萬元 |
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2039.5 |
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三十二項 台灣高等法院高雄分院四十三萬元三十三項 台灣高等法院化齡分院十一萬元三十四項 台灣台北地方法院二千一百七十萬八千元三十五項 台灣涉林地方法院五百零三萬六千元三十六項 台灣新北地方法院九百五十七萬六千元三十七項 台灣桃園地方法院 |
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2060.687 |
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2086.475 |
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兩千零七十六萬元三十八項台灣新竹地方法院四百一十三萬二千元三九項台灣苗栗地方法院一百八十五萬二千元四十項台灣台中地方法院一千七百三十九萬元四十一項台灣南投地方法院一百四十八萬九千元四十二項台灣彰化地方法院二百四十九萬八千元四十三項台灣雲林地方法院三百五十四萬二千元 |
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2087.995 |
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2100.978 |
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44項台灣嘉義地方法院143萬4千元45項台灣台南地方法院732萬元46項台灣橋頭地方法院296萬元47項台灣高雄地方法院462萬元48項台灣屏東地方法院261萬9千元49項台灣台東地方法院87萬元 |
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2110.74 |
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2130.667 |
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五十項台灣花蓮地方法院二百二十八萬四千元五十一項台灣宜蘭地方法院九十七萬一千元五十二項台灣基隆地方法院一百零九萬二千元五十三項台灣澎湖地方法院三十二萬八千元五十四項台灣高雄少年及家事法院二十三萬元五十五項福建金門地方法院十一萬元 |
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2131.647 |
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2144.847 |
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第三款規費收入第十四項司法院六萬七千元十五項最高法院一千五百一十七萬七千元十六項最高行政法院七十一萬七千元十七項台灣 |
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2146.374 |
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2171.802 |
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台北高雄台北高等行政法院一千三百三十四萬二千元18項台中高等行政法院三百二十三萬二千元19項高雄高等行政法院四百五十四萬五千元20項請證懲戒法院一萬五千元21項智慧財產及商業法院八千五百七十一萬七千元22項台灣高等法院四億零五 |
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2172.762 |
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2193.481 |
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四億五百九十五萬八千元二十三項台灣高等法院台中分院九千三百五十八萬三千元二十四項台灣高等法院台南分院二千五百九十三萬六千元二十五項台灣高等法院台高雄分院五千八百零八萬六千元二十六項台灣高等法院跨聯分院六百九十七萬元 |
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2194.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2213.203 |
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二十七項 臺灣臺北地方法院十四億六千二百五十二萬九千元二十八項 臺灣市領地方法院十億七千零六十五萬元二十九項 臺灣新北地方法院六億八千零九十四萬六千元三十項 臺灣桃園地方法院六億二千二百八十二萬元 |
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2213.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2230.495 |
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三十一項 台灣新竹地方法院二一二千零七十萬五千元三十二項 台灣苗栗地方法院八千零五十二萬五千元三十三項 台灣台中地方法院六一九千六百五十萬二千元三十四項 台灣南投地方法院七千一百五十二萬八千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2231.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2252.746 |
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三十五項 台灣彰化地方法院一億八千七百一十三萬八千元三十六項 台灣雲林地方法院九千九百八十九萬九千元三十七項 台灣嘉義地方法院一億二千二百二十九萬九千元三十八項 台灣台南地方法院三億七千九百五十六萬元三十九項 台灣橋頭地方法院一億八千四百三十七萬七千元 |
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2254.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2262.434 |
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40項台灣高雄地方法院4億1976萬3千元41項台灣屏東地方法院1億3750萬6千元42項台灣台東地方法院5033萬2千元43項台灣花蓮地方法院8178萬1千元44項台灣宜蘭地方法院8200 |
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2277.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2299.737 |
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二十四萬五千元四十五項台灣基隆地方法院九千七百零一萬二千元四十六項台灣澎湖地方法院一千六百一十一萬一千元四十七項台灣高雄少年級家事法院四千二百零六萬九千元四十八項福建高等法院進門法院一百六十四萬五千元四十九項福建進門地方法院兩千五百零四萬四千元 |
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2300.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2323.291 |
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五十項福建連江地方法院一百九十九萬九千元第四款財產收入第二十四項司法院五十六萬元二十五項最高法院三萬三千元二十六項最高行政法院四千元二十七項台北高等行政法院二千元二十八項台中高等行政法院四萬二千元二十九項高雄高等行政法院八萬六千元 |
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2324.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2329.834 |
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30項承接法院1000元31項法官學院792000元32項智慧財產及商業法院162000元33項台灣高等法院1263000元34項 |
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2339.441 |
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2361.537 |
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臺灣高等法院臺中分院八萬元三十五項臺灣高等法院台南分院四萬元三十六項臺灣高等法院高雄分院十六萬元三十七項臺灣高等法院華聯分院二萬四千元三十八項臺灣臺北地方法院七十三萬二千元三十九項臺灣市林地方法院十九萬二千元四十項臺灣清北地方法院九萬五千元四十一項 |
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2363.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2364.722 |
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台灣桃園地方法院270萬元42項台灣新竹地方法院415000元43項 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2371.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2392.794 |
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台灣苗栗地方法院三萬二千元四十四項台灣台中地方法院三十八萬一千元四十五項台灣南投地方法院十一萬七千元四十六項台灣彰化地方法院二萬五千元四十七項台灣雲林地方法院二十二萬五千元四十八項台灣嘉義地方法院七萬二千元四十九項台灣台南地方法院七十二萬元 |
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2393.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2414.274 |
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五十項台灣橋頭地方法院一百零九萬八千元五十一項台灣高雄地方法院三十二萬九千元五十二項台灣屏東地方法院二萬八千元五十三項台灣台東地方法院三萬六千元五十四項台灣華嶺地方法院十九萬三千元五十五項台灣宜蘭地方法院三十二萬八千元五十六項台灣基隆地方法院四萬四千元 |
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2414.935 |
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2444.04 |
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五十七項台灣澎湖地方法院二萬元五十八項台灣高雄少年級家事法院七萬一千元五十九項福建高等法院金門分院一千元六十項福建金門地方法院三萬元六十一項福建連江地方法院一千元第七款其他收入第二十四項司法院三百二十七萬八千元二十五項最高法院六十六萬七千元二十六項最高行政法院十三萬七千元二十七項台北高等行政法院五十萬元 |
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2445.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2465.609 |
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28項台中高等行政法院94萬2千元29項高雄高等行政法院64萬元30項承接法院6萬2千元31項法官學院21萬8千元32項智慧財產及商業法院29萬9千元33項台灣高等法院137萬1千元34項台灣高等法院台中分院246萬8千元35項台灣高等法院台南分院161萬3千元36項 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2473.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2497.268 |
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台灣高等法院高雄分院九十二萬七千元三七項台灣高等法院花蓮分院七十萬五千元三十八項台灣台北地方法院以一零八百二十二萬八千元三十九項台灣市林地方法院四千九百三六萬一千元四十項台灣新北地方法院四千二百八十六萬一千元四十一項台灣桃園地方法院五千零五十八萬元 |
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2498.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2511.054 |
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42項 台灣新竹地方法院1237萬4千元43項 台灣苗栗地方法院378萬7千元44項 台灣台中地方法院4288萬1千元45項 台灣南投地方法院335萬元46項 台灣彰化地方法院1911萬3千元47項 台灣雲林地方法院397萬元48項 台灣嘉義地方法院440萬9千元49項 台灣台南地方法院1540萬元 |
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2526.34 |
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2540.196 |
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第五十項 台灣橋頭地方法院 208萬6千元五十一項 台灣高雄地方法院 2992萬6千元五十二項 台灣屏東地方法院 986萬7千元五十三項 台灣台東地方法院 124萬5千元 |
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2541.584 |
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2570.419 |
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五十四項 台灣花蓮地方法院442萬4千元五十五項 台灣宜蘭地方法院726萬元五十六項 台灣基隆地方法院685萬8千元五十七項 台灣澎湖地方法院71萬元五十八項 台灣高雄少年級家屬法院72萬元五十九項 福建高等法院進門分院8萬4千元六十項 福建進門地方法院56萬6千元六十一項 福建連江地方法院5列數稅出部分 第四款 司法院主管 |
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2571.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2597.965 |
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第一項司法院四十億八千三四十億八千三百五十九萬七千元第二項最高法院五億八千零六十五萬四千元第三項最高行政法院一億七千一百六十六萬五千元第四項台北高等行政法院四億九千一百九十八萬八千元第五項台中高等行政法院一億八千四百五十九萬六千元第五六項高雄高等行政法院二億四千一百二十萬八千元 |
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2598.965 |
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2614.2 |
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第七項 承接法院一億二千零七十萬二千元第八項 法官學院一億九千七百六十四萬三千元第九項 聚會財產及商業法院三億一千九百二十一萬元第十項 台灣高等法院二十一七千五百八十三萬五千元 |
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2615.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2625.527 |
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11項 台灣高等法院台中分院8億4,583萬4千元12項 台灣高等法院台南分院15億7,867萬3千元13項 台灣高等法院高中分院6億8,790萬4千元14項 台灣高等法院花蓮分院2億1,058萬2千元15項 台灣台北地方法院24億0,342萬8千元 |
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2639.835 |
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2659.897 |
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十六項 台灣士林地方法院十一億二千七百六十八萬九千元十七項 台灣台北新北地方法院三十八億九千三百四十萬一千元十八項 台灣桃園地方法院十五億二千八百九十四萬七千元十九項 台灣新竹地方法院七億四千九百九十一萬三千元 |
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2661.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2683.278 |
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二十項 台灣苗栗地方法院 四億五千八百一十萬九千元二十一項 台灣台中地方法院 二十億零二百四十萬七千元二十二項 台灣南投地方法院 四億一千七百零三萬九千元二十三項 台灣彰化地方法院 八億七千八百二十一萬二千元二十四項 台灣雲林地方法院 五億八千一百四十六萬 |
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2684.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2710.558 |
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九千元 二十五項台灣嘉義地方法院七億二千九百七十八萬六千元 二十六項台灣台南地方法院十二億七千七百八十一萬一千元 二十七項台灣橋頭地方法院六億九千八百九十三萬三千元 二十八項台灣高雄地方法院十二億七千二百三十四萬五千元 二十九項台灣屏東地方法院七億一千四百四十四萬三千元 三十項台灣台東地方法院三億三千 |
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2711.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2725.198 |
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三百七十七万五千元三十一项台湾化电提方法院四一七千二百五十三万七千元三十二项台湾一南电方法院四一零四百八十六万七千元三三项台湾金融提方法院四一七千四百六十八万五千元 |
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2726.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2744.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
三十四項台灣澎湖地方法院一億五千七百一十六萬五千元三十五項台灣高雄少年級駕駛法院四億七千八百二十萬四千元三六項福建高等法院金門分院五千八百一十九萬四千元三七項福建金門地方法院一億二千零四萬三千元三八項 |
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2745.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2772.077 |
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福建連江地方法院三千六百五十六萬五千元第二案司法院主管一百一十五年度財團法人法律輔助基金會預算書業務計劃請參閱預算書收支預算總收入十六億八千八百二十萬八千元總支出十六億八千八百二十萬八千元本期餘儲零元 結繳工戶金額及轉投資計劃均無劣數固定資產投資三千一百三十二萬元 |
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2774.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2794.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
國庫增撥基金額兩千萬元繼續全讀提案彙增表部分市法院主管收支部分稅出第四款第一項市法院為第一案至第十一案第一目一般行政為第十二案至第二十四案第二案憲法訴訟業務為第二十五案至第二十八案 |
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2795.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2813.459 |
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第三目審判行政為第29案至第33案第四目司法業務規劃嚴考為第34案至第36案第七目對財團法人法律輔助基金會捐助為第37案及第38案主決議部分為第39案至第63案 |
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2815.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2842.287 |
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第八項法官學院第二目延期業務為第64案第十項台灣高等法院第四目司法機關擴簽件計劃為第65案第十五項台灣台北地方法院第三目司法機關擴簽件計劃為第66案第十七項台北新北地方法院第二目審判業務為第67案第三目司法機關擴簽件計劃為第68案 |
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2846.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2852.254 |
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18.台灣桃園地方法院第二目審判業務為第69案19. |
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2852.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2857.859 |
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台灣新北地方法院第二目審判業務為第70案20. |
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2857.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2863.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
台灣苗栗地方法院第二目審判業務為第71案21. |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2863.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2865.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
台灣台中地方法院第二目 |
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2866.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2876.817 |
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審判業務為第73案第二十五項台灣嘉義地方法院第二目審判業務為第74案第二十七項台灣橋頭地方法院第二目審判業務為第75案 |
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2879.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2894.528 |
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第29項 台灣屏東地方法院第二目審判業務為第76案第30項 台灣台東地方法院第二目審判業務為第77案第31項 台灣花蓮地方法院第二目審判業務為第78案第32項 台灣宜蘭地方法院第二目審判業務為第79案 |
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2902.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2910.773 |
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財團法人法律輔助基金會部分支出又成本與費用第一案至第六案以上提案及修正內容請委員參閱書面資料選讀完畢 |
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2917.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2933.601 |
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預算書跟所有提案均已宣讀完畢我們進行討論前先說明預算案的處理的方式依照委員會處理預算提案的慣例我們稅務的部分我們就按照來源別跟以向為單位 |
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2935.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2951.836 |
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稅出的部分我們就按照機關別跟以目為單位分別依序進行審查各單位預算中在處理委員所提的增三提案以後其餘未涉及的預算部分均與照列有關正式別稅出預算隨同機關別審查結果調整 |
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2956.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2961.643 |
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預算的提案經由整理除了將所有委員提案裝訂成提案本還有並在編列順序以後製成會診本會診表方便委員審查的時候參考也就是說這一本這本是提案本這本是會診本接下來我們進行審查請各位一併參與提案本跟會診本來進行討論另外 |
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提醒機關 稍後我們經過討論決議修正的預算提案那就請機關將修正內容經提案委員簽名同意以後送交到主席台並列入公報記錄那審查預算的過程中 如有列席的幕僚在首次的答覆委員問題發言的時候 請先自行介紹因為一定有很多人嘛 |
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去自行介紹你的職稱姓名 畢立我們整個公報人員的一個記錄那現在我們來進行討論事項的第一案我們繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算關於司法院及所屬主管收支的部分那稅錄的提案 我們現在先處理稅錄的部分 |
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稅入的部分因為沒有委員提案所以稅入的部分我們就完全就均照列那另外稅出提案的處理原則我們稅入處理完畢繼續處理稅出的提案先做說明就是說我們處理的時候依照慣例以木為單位然後竹木來進行處理那原則就按照我們整個會總表所排列的提案的順序這個我們 |
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議事人員很用心很仔細的去做整個會診表先由各提案委員先就該目中的提案內容進行說明那提案委員在該目如果有兩個以上提案的時候我們就一併來做說明這個也不是只有節省時間就可以聚焦讓委員一併來做說明以後呢 |
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讓機關來做回應再由機關代表來予以答覆那之後針對整目一起來處理我們再來做成決議那接著我們處理稅出的部分請參閱提案本提案本跟會總表的稅出提案的部分由於所收的委員提案當中第一案到第十一案都是第四款第一項 |
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跨個目的提案所以我們先進行討論先由提案委員就提案的內容來進行說明那提案委員在本項如果有兩個以上的提案的時候則請一併說明再由機關來予以答覆那我們現在就先請我們先處理到這個我們先處理一到 |
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1到11 處理1到11這個是跨目的啦 這個就是跨目的部分先請提案的委員 就是徐議貞委員來做說明 |
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謝謝主席針對第一案的部分本席是認為就是115年度的這個司法院所列的平和的指標就是稍嫌籠統僅以觸及人數點閱次數觀看次數作為衡量的基礎沒有明確的設定具體的目標例如應該要達到多少觸及人數政策知曉度要提升多少制度的使用率是否增加等等 |
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是事實上沒有辦法審核該項的預算是不是可以達成目標那本來這個本席的這個建議要這個是簡略500萬凍結1000萬那後來這個 |
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司法院呢有來跟本席溝通之後大概有了解了一些狀況那目前的話是本席有同意要這個檢列該預算200萬科目自行調整並凍結10%然後等司法院兩個月內向立法院司法及法治委員會提出書面報告以上好我們現在請機關來做回覆 |
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主席還有委員向各位報告 第一項非常感謝徐委員當天溝通的時候因為這一項最重要的是在法治教育部分法治教育在司法禁用 |
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那個經衛法最近馬上經衛法要出來了還有兒童安心表意還有校園霸凌少年修復式司法是動之最多的那也感謝那個徐委員他了解其實這個雖然是那個文宣費可是他會用在 |
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教育 法律教育 |
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那第一案我們就改簡列200萬那科目自行調整並凍結10%就是228萬提出書面報告 |
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接下來第二案到第十一案 這個都是翁小玲委員請翁委員一併來做說明 再請機關來做答覆 |
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好 謝謝主席還有各位委員還有司法院的官員們本席這次提的先講第二案那麼第二案主要是涉及到司法院派員出國考察計畫那麼他們這次編列了1041萬可是因為現在大法官的人數都還沒有補齊那麼所以本席認為說大法官的違憲審查法制考察計畫 |
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三百多萬的基本上先全數凍結那麼等到大法官補足十人以上開始審議之後呢才可以動之那麼同時也考慮到就是說他們現在的這個現在這個國家 |
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經費公帑應該要遵截使用所以本系列將這個住屋考察計畫簡列200萬凍結50%那同時也要求司法院應該要在一個月之內要完整公布歷次的住屋考察報告之後經過向司委會提出書面報告經同意之後才可以凍結所以這是以上第二案 |
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那我要全部都要先一案一案你關注我就可以因為都有照你的意思嘛有達成共識嘛看你要選幾項你要中共連考察也沒關係但是你考察內境要好啊你是那因為我剛剛在第二案是我沒有達成共識的所以呢我先包括第二案那至於就是第三案 |
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勞務承攬的部分經過司法院向我報告之後我原來是凍結25%那麼後來我也同意就是先凍結5%那麼等到司法院來提出書面報告之後使得凍之所以第三案的部分我們是已經有談妥了 |
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那麼第四案的部分剛剛有關於水電費的部分也是那水電費的部分呢考慮到就是說他們其實今年是少幅的這個增加那麼少幅的增加那麼同時就是預算 |
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那麼因為他們之所以想增加水電費的原因呢是因為要新增辦公室院區進駐使用新增電費所以我在這裡呢我就要也同意他們剛剛提出來的我們就改成主決議改成主決議那麼但是呢文字呢必須要修正那文字修正的部分已經剛剛已經簽在我們的改成主決議的提案單上面所以我這裡我就不再說明還是說我還是要念一下 |
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這是第四案第五案到第八案的部分第五案涉及到業務租金第六案涉及保險第七案涉及按日案件的計酬費用第八案則是委辦費經過我們協商之後其實都有做 |
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做相當程度的縮減也就是我本來檢列的數額是比較多的那經過他們的說明我也可以同意司法院的報告所以我這裡就是第五案就是從原先檢列750萬而業務費這個檢列750萬那現在就是改成 |
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業務費是減列50萬那保險的部分同樣的也是改成減列業務費100萬那科目可以自行調整 |
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那按日案件計酬的部分的話則是從原來的這個簡列2500萬改成簡列業務費500萬那委辦費的話那麼也則是從原來簡列350萬改成簡列業務費150萬可不可以自行調整這是大概以上 |
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從第五案到第八案那這部分我們都已經有達成共識那至於第九案的部分則是涉及到物品的項目物品項目我們剛剛已經也 |
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也同意了也同意了這個司法院的建議但是第九案我要特別講一下這個司法院自己編列預算搞不清就是沒有認真去核對他們到底要減什麼項目因為他們本來這個編列的是所謂的電腦作業耗材和消耗品費用增加了兩千萬 |
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那結果他們剛剛跟我報告說他們誤編其實應該是要將資安項目要編入 |
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這是我希望司法院以後編列預算的時候要認真一點編列哪個項目要弄清楚好不好對不對不應該發生這個錯誤所以經過他們說明之後呢那本席也同意了就說現在就是提案這個減列400萬元並且就預算編列事宜要進行詳細的書面報告好可以吧司法院 |
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沒關係 我來處理好 謝謝翁小玲委員的說明那我們現在第二案就關於還有第十案 第十一案我還沒講沒關係 你要再說也可以對 就是我還是一併講第十案跟第十一案我這裡我們也同意就是 |
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這個做了調整那麼第十案是涉及到一般事務費那麼原來是我提案是減列一千九百萬那麼後來經過他們的報告說明之後現在業務費就是減列兩百萬科目自行調整那這個部分第十一案的話就是國內旅費的部分 |
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同樣的也是從原來的減列400萬那現在改成就是業務費減列100萬然後科目自行調整以上 |
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謝謝翁曉琳委員的提案說明那第二案第二就是派員出國計劃的部分我們先保留我現在把翁委員跟司法院這個地方我們主案來做一個確認那第三案第三案就是非以人事費支付的勞務承攬的部分就是改凍結 |
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五趴 四百五十七萬九千元沒錯齁好 那第四案呢就改組決議 改組決議那第五案呢就改簡列業務費五十萬科目自行調整你們自己要看一下 我幫你們對一下 彙整一下第六案呢 就改簡列業務費一百萬科目自行調整 |
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第七案改檢列業務費500萬 科目自行調整沒錯齁來 第八案改檢列業務費150萬 科目自行調整來 第九案要仔細聽一下喔因為我剛才看你們這樣說我稍微要把翁委員的提案跟司法人這邊來做一個確認啦齁就是說你們檢列薄文是400萬嘛齁然後呢 |
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你們就是那個檢列業務費400萬然後科目自行調整對不對 好 沒問題齁好 那第十案就改來 翁委員我們這邊確認一下 這邊是叫科目自行調整嗎你們不是就是我們刪的是你們這個治安設備的 |
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報告一下因為確實我們當初115這個應該是設備那現在因為編到物品來但是現在因為撿的一定會是撿我們的物品可是事實上我們將來執行會執行在設備所以我們這個科目執行調整這幾個文字希望也能夠落入這個我們現在這個決議的文字但是不是業務費嗎還是業務費上下嗎是將來會是設備投資 |
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設備投資所以那這個部分的話要是講清楚因為剛剛莊委員我們張委員是業務費所以這邊是叫設備投資設備投資減劣400萬是物品減劣400萬物品減劣400萬可是將來執行會執行在設備投資還有一個還有一個這個翁委員應該沒問題你們有達成共識沒問題你那個減劣完以後為什麼還提書面報告應該那個大家 |
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這樣應該檢列那個順便就不用了 一個檢列就照你的意思了 |
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這個還好 那個物品 你會很忙 我幫你編好不好我們沒有要同意啦 我只想說請他們提個書面報告好啦 如果沒問題啦 他們沒問題其實書面報告就像我剛剛講的他就物品編錯了 應該到設備那這筆費將來一定是從物品檢列那要進入設備費去自印那這個書面報告給委員也是這樣 |
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因為他已經說明了啦 已經說明了 好不好那書面報告的部分就 那就把它刪除啦 好不好那接下來這個是底下喔第十案改檢列業務費兩百萬科目自行調整第十一案改檢列業務費一百萬科目自行調整都是齁 這樣來 這樣就 |
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還有一個 第一幕第一幕就從12到24是不是請提案委員翁委員加你的案子我看是第一幕的部分來一併先做一個提案說明那請機關來跟你 |
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第一項還有一個人還沒處理到 不好意思我們第一項第二案我們剛剛是保留嘛我們我看這個這個就先保留一下啦你現在討論在結論會時間有共識的我們先來處理啦那我們稅出啊這個第四款司法院主管第一項司法院 |
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媒體政策及業務宣傳費提案 案號第一案 那就保留啦喔不不不 你這就減列兩百萬 你就減列兩百萬還有凍結兩百二十八萬 然後提出書面報告後 使得凍資 好不好 |
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還有接著我們處理派員出國計畫提案案號的第二案,我們現在還是要先保留這個都保留到時候出國旅費可能是同一次處理來 |
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那我們非以人事費支付的勞務承攬提案案號第三案就凍結457萬9千元那並針對各凍結提案的要求依審查會決議提出書面報告後 使得凍資那接著我們處理業務費提案案號第四案到第十一案業務費就提案案號第四案到第十一案改為 |
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主決議這是第四案嘛那業務費合併就減列一千就除了以上個案以外業務費就合併減列一千五百萬那並針對各凍結提案的要求依審查會的決議那接著我們處理第一幕一般行政提案案號第十二案到第二十四案那就一個一個來啦 |
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十二 大家看到一般行政 從十二到第二十四我們先請提案委員來做說明好不好 翁委員二案 你的十二跟十四 跟十七 還有二十也你的 一併說明好了 |
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那12案的部分主要是涉及到司法院的沒宣費那麼司法院的媒體宣傳還有法治教育的宣傳成效沒有辦法有具體的成效報告可知評估而且也與教育部法務部法治教育等等的宣導經費的重複性甚高所以在115年司法院這裡編了 |
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這個沒宣費比114年的沒宣費漲幅高達兩倍多高達223%等於說多增加了2.23倍那麼所以本席認為說應該要遵截經費因此將他們原列的這個預算經費2100萬然後減列1500萬 |
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好這是第12案那我就一起報告嗎再來14那14案的部分14案的部分我們已經有達成共識了這裡已經改成主決議好接下來17案的部分的話則是跟特別費有關稍等我一下我翻一下那特別費的部分的話就是因為這個 |
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現在司法院的院長副院長等等也都是司法院的院長是代理然後副院長到現在也還沒有產生那麼這個賴清德總統一直遲遲的為補提名大法官還有司法院院長副院長所以基本上他們特別費根本也沒有支出的必要那麼因此本期這邊就是提議就是要凍結他們的 |
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第一個是先刪減50%然後第二個就是要凍結特別費一直等到新院長跟副院長就任之後才可以解凍以上來 謝謝那24要不要一併說明24這樣可以吧24也是屬於一般行政的 |
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剛剛24案主要是涉及到他們的電腦資訊設備費因為他們說他們要買平板電腦但本席也去了解了為什麼平板電腦然後買一台要花7點 |
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要花7萬多塊將近8萬塊本席認為說太高了那麼所以經過詢問之後呢那麼也認為說這一般的平板電腦一台也不需要高達7、8萬所以要求他們就是要這個專節開支那麼剛剛已經也達成共識了本來本席在這邊是要減略預算2000萬那麼現在剛剛談了就說可以 |
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就是減200就是等於說從減劣預算2000萬然後改成同意減劣200萬那麼並且在4個月內要就購買電腦設備適宜提出書面報告好 謝謝翁委員的提案說明我們現在請機關 請司法院來做回覆 |
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關於第十二案部分其實跟第一案一樣剛剛我有簡單報告沒有錯或許我們跟教育部會有共同的有些共同地方可是司法的法治教育還是有它的特殊性 |
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就關於司法禁用司法禁用是牽涉到弱勢人我們要宣傳讓他們知道其實各法院現在對於用弱勢這個好像不是很適當對於一些比較有障礙的民眾他怎麼去接近 |
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法院還有一個經衛法經衛法庭的部分還有一個剛我講過兒童安心表意我想這個跟教育部他能夠宣導的目的是不一樣的還有一個是校園霸凌現在各界非常重視的這個區塊還有一個是少年修復式司法 |
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這個部分是我們在這個業務宣導上面非常重要的支出所以請委員能夠了解能夠支持能夠跟第一案一樣就三減兩百萬科目自行調解然後凍結50%我們提出書面報告懇請委員能夠做這樣的跟第一案的相同處理方式10%對啊 |
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那第一案那過來是14是關於這個特殊費的這個特殊費的部分像委員報告這個特殊費包括還有裡面還有個祕書長的特殊費這個其實我要跟委員報告讓委員了解就是別人特殊費怎麼用我不知道其實我的特殊費全部都是用在 |
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這個我們司法同仁我怎麼去鼓勵他們那我要蠻厭空氣一點他們那個安委員有說明 您也有回應也有改組決議那些都可以好 那14案那個就不用多做說明了那個就改組決議嘛17案特別費啦 |
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那你就17案,你現在就沒共識了,接下來是17跟12可不可以拜託翁委員跟第一案一樣12案,再來24案呢4案我們也同意,3、200萬讓我們科目自行調整那委員要求書面報告,那我們也會提出 |
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好,接下來請審發會委員主席,關於這第17案的部分這個特別費的部分,我看這個提案是又簡略又凍結 |
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那我個人凍結的部分我比較沒有意見因為現在目前這個院長副院長確實還沒有就職但是凍結的部分因為他包括祕書長的特別費所以這個不能連祕書長的特別費一併凍結我覺得這個不合理因為祕書長現在等於是負擔全部整個在沒有院長副院長的情況下負擔整個司法院的業務那 |
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所以這個凍結的部分是不是可以商量一下一個額度我沒有凍結祕書長我是凍結院長跟副院長但是 |
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三個包在一起沒有啦因為這邊我都有特別寫你院長是多少副院長是多少啊所以他又是可以這樣分開這樣你要怎麼處理你現在就是現在省委員跟翁委員其實他們意見是一致的喔沒有沒有等一下我還沒有講完我意思是說如果要凍結凍結如果可以我們可以把這個院長副院長的部分 |
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對我現在要講凍結的部分我說我同意但是我認為說凍結的額度我們要保留祕書長的部分但是我覺得既然凍結了這些部分刪減的部分我覺得有關特別費的刪減我個人是建議如果沒有辦法討論出共識我建議保留全部的因為你說有關於這個所有首長的這些特別費的刪減我覺得是不是未來這個一定保留到最後再處理 |
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那特別費的部分我們就先這個部分就先先撥留了那就是十二案的部分呢那個歐美人跟司法人員好像也可以達成一定的共識了嘛 |
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12案12案我沒有達成共識啊是說可以讓司法院拜託一下我看這個也跟第一案一樣處理就好因為12案我並沒有全刪我是刪了1500萬也就是說他們還有600萬可以做事那麼事實上您剛剛講的那些沒宣費就是不管做什麼邵氏法的宣傳還有 |
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其他的宣傳我想在一定額度裡面基本上是可以做運用的那麼尤其是我們現在這個特別預算才剛通過了7800億的國防特別預算我們整個國家的這個財政的支出大幅的增加所以我希望就是各個機關都能夠節約這個經費的支出所以在這裡的話就從2100萬減是等於說 |
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就是等於說2100萬剪裂預算1500萬然後讓你們可以就是還是有錢可以去用還是可以去12案有建制是要讓他們說他剛剛已經說了照12案的意思嗎沒有沒有不是還是我還是堅持對那就我們12案沒有共識先保留這個先保留14案 |
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14案的話就是已經同意了改成組決議啊14改成組決議 那個沒問題 那就17啊13 13 13 林倩琪委員在場林倩琪委員來請做說明是啊 |
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14 該組決議啦啦13 林委員來說明一下還是要說明要叫10萬年的議席有溝通過嗎?有啦 我問一下報告那個主席我們這邊是有一些溝通的啦那就在這邊我把它改成組決議啦那這個報告部分就改成書面但是 對時間上也是就在兩個月裡面提出那這個部分我們就改成組決議好 |
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改組決議那在接下來15案改組決議那16案文字做修正 |
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不好意思 趙委 因為從16案、20案、21案、29案、30案這個5個案子都是吳宗憲委員提出的 因為他暫時有些事情還沒有辦法我們現在是從一幕一幕來 我們現在用幕在審 你的已經看完了所以我們這案子就搞到死而已可是他是16案跟24案啊 |
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十六案是吳宗憲委員吳宗憲委員的 十六案可以十六案你不是該主決議嗎文字修正因為他說他要回來還要再說明所以是不是可以等他回來因為他現在 十六案先保留 會回來先保留那十六案先保留那十七案要給他講嗎十七案你要給司法人員講嗎 |
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這樣這個就先保留了17案先保留18案18案這個是先保留了18案也先保留主席那個提案委員沒有在沒有來的你除了有特別像吳宗憲委員那有特別情好啦那18 19沒有特別的話我們就 |
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陳昭智委員應該待會會來啦,我想先給他一些時間好不好沒關係,我們看他如果來,我們再說啦,有時候他不來,我們也沒辦法,他只會一直等你啊,對了,抱歉,陳昭智委員因為他去參加WHA的會議,那這樣我來幫他講好了來,你講 |
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有有有 有因為這個我們都是對 知道他的意思齁那陳昭之委員這個案子的話請問司法院有跟陳昭之委員那裡有過通過嗎因為陳昭之委他就忙在那所以就沒有跟我們那個 |
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因為事實上陳昭志委員他這裡提的這個提案主要是考慮到就是說現在司法院一直都沒有徹底落實法庭直播所以他就提出 |
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簡列這個司法行政業務的裡面的業務費用三千萬並且凍結百分之三十然後等到司法院六個月內要向司委會提出書面報告之後使得凍支所以這個是陳昭之委員的提案 |
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因為他在這個經費裡面一般事務費裡面有辦理活動法庭活動公開撥送經費總共是1579萬那他這裡提出的預算簡列是300萬然後要再凍結1579萬的1579萬的30% |
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好啦 我們翁委員有幫他說明了啦那因為我們是矚目在做處理啦所以呢 沒有到場的委員 這咱就不處理啦但是也意見你也幫他表達了啦那這個18 18 19我們就不處理啦那20案那個改組決議21案就文字做修正22案 23案 |
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我們就不處理了那二十四案翁委員的補分那個二十案剛剛是吳宗憲委員他待會會回來講嘛然後還有二十案不是改主決議嗎 |
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蛤 沒有沒有 但是他說他要回來再說一下阿你 阿不然你 你們不跟吳宗憲他們有共識啦改組決議的就不用保留啦改組決議的就表示講好了已經講好啦沒有講好的部分保留我們跟他有共識可是委員他說他要來這邊講話我們是尊重的講話沒關係 我等一下會給他講嘛 |
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那有改成組決議就是你們有共識了嘛好不好那第二十二案二十三案我們就不處理二十四案那個翁委員的那二十三案等一下二十三案的話是那個徐宇辰委員因為他現在剛剛去開下記者會請我來幫他請翁委員來說明一下二十三案剛剛其實已經也跟司法院那裡也達成共識這個原來是 |
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針對電腦設備費那現在就是從原來凍結本來從凍結1億改成凍結1000萬23案那個請機關做說明凍結1000萬還加書面報告機關答覆來 |
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23案 針對23案 凍結1000萬然後加書面報告可以齁對 原來凍結1億的 改成凍結1000萬 書面報告23案 就凍結1000萬 改書面報告24案 |
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翁委員的部分是那個軟體設備 剛才那個我也聽不懂剛才你說那個平板 平板那平板都聽起來很整齊對 是沒有啦 我說我聽起來啦 所以你們機關你們就要答覆嘛 好不好沒有啦 你們溝通過你也直接說一下 我聽起來就怪怪的說明一下好不好講清楚 |
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一個位委員那個本來我們編列的大概是買那個450幾部那後來因為確實是漲價那漲價的時候我們是說推估推估如果按照市價去買他現在只能買到273部不是說我們的需求量是273 |
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因為我說最低按照市價來講因為去年買的時候是4萬接近4萬5可是今年有漲價那漲價的時候那個台數會變少那因為因為這個部分可能委員都很關心那我們覺得大概減劣這一部分的十分之一勉強還可以支撐那我們也會就這一部分提出素面報告假設我們買到的台數不過多 |
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譬如說我們只有買到300部我們也會寫說招標的過程是怎麼樣那我們裡面寫的273是至少一定會買到的那如果如果沒有買到這個部分應該要買的更便宜可是也不會回到去年的水準是450部那因為這個監督我覺得蠻有需要的所以我們是同意就是我們是贊成說委員檢列200至少 |
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在外面這麼漲價的時候也給我們一些監督那我們也可以跟廠商講說這個部分因為國會很關心那以上補充這樣奧委員他這樣答覆可以了 |
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因為我們基本上當時也是想說為什麼一個平板電腦尤其是司法院因為只是做文書處理它並不是像是做一般的那個理工科的這個他們要做很高比較就要去做一些計算啦就說你們的平板電腦買的那個level不需要達到最高標而且同時剛剛聽了司法院的同仁這邊講你們推估的 |
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長加幅度也未免太高 從4萬然後推廣到5萬5所以我這邊的話 經過跟他們討論之後就減劣200萬 希望他們能夠順利使用歐元 這個也 我怎麼知道我是要給你們比較快的 給你們達到共識那就針對24案就減劣200萬減劣還是要怎麼算 |
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剪裂了呢 剪裂了就刪掉了 為什麼還要還是要看他們實際上經費花在什麼地方啊一般剪裂就沒有 提書面報告給我就好了我不需要經文理法院好了 你們沒有問題喔一般剪裂就沒有書面報告 |
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主席 科目要自行調整為什麼要科目自行調整因為你們這不是就是買這個電腦資訊設備的嗎對啊 所以是檢你們電腦資訊設備的項目啊這樣好啦 您給翁委員去做說明啦因為在委員會我們檢列以後不會出現書面啦就叫你們的議事去 叫翁委員的議事去你們要報告你們就另外去報告不然在我們審查的時候檢列以後不會有書面報告 |
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科目的博文 歐文 妳就讓人自行調整啊妳就減兩百萬嘛我本來是說就是在這個項目啊好啦好啦好啦好 那減第二十四項減累兩百萬科目自行調整啦 |
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這樣啦,我們目前在逐案我們再來確認一次從一般行政12案的保分12案是保留12案12案司法院家保留13案也是保留 |
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改組決議,十三案改組決議十四案,也是組決議十五案,組決議十六案,這個文字修正了啦沒關係,待會他回來有機會讓他說,那就過了照文字修正啦,十七案保留,十八案 |
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保留19案也是保留19案沒有處理18、19都沒有處理18、19就沒有處理了沒有處理了 因為提案人沒有來沒有來 那沒有處理了什麼意思叫沒有處理了有啦 那個剛剛翁委員有幫他講了啦我們就按照慣例沒有沒有 18、19就沒有處理啦那20案改組決議 |
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要保留啦 因為陳肇智委員他現在因公出國嘛對啦 他出國他不會回來因為我們現在是逐木在做審查因為提案內容是可以保留啦沒有啦 我們管理沒有辦法保留啦因為他今天也不會回來他如果說今天又回來我們現在還可以保留林倩琪委員當時也連署啊 |
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所以這個案子會一直保留到政黨協商嗎 |
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對啊,就變得不會了沒有,這個我們就沒處理沒有保留,按正常結算法也是可以處理啦因為要改要處理的,你又抄寫什麼案,你改用啦,好不好那我們就按照慣例啦,那第20,18,19就沒有處理啦,就不處理,那20改組決議21文字修正嘛 |
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就是等吳宗憲委員回來的時候 你還是動21案還是就吳宗憲委員的案 凍結77萬5千你們有動議嗎OK 改書面報告 |
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可是吳宗憲委員希望說他回來的時候可以再做這個案子然後再說明還是說等到他馬上就會回來已經同意了啦 他們已經有同意了嘛我不能這樣黏 沒同意我就吃他來 我就保留就好了啊他只是做文字修正而已啊好不好那第二因為剛剛16案也是同樣吳宗憲他是文字修正他還是凍結 |
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所以16案,16案來,司法院,也是一樣文字修正而已啊動一把這個咧?對,沒錯,沒錯齁,對對對,沒錯那第22案,這就沒處理了那23案,電腦這個徐宇甄委員這個,這個剛才不是有嗎? |
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凍結一千 書面報告 加書面報告 對好 二十四案二十四案的話 多少錢兩百 兩百 科目自行調整好 謝謝 |
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來我們第一幕一般行政提案的案號第12案到第24案18到18、19我們就不予處理那13、14、15、20改為主決議那第12、16、17就保留送協商那除了以上個案以外本幕和 |
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那個16 16是那個文字修正16文字修正16文字修正來來來這樣這個就16給他換掉保留協商的部分是12再更正保留協商的部分就12跟17好那22 22來看一下22就不處理啦 |
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22沒處理啊 22沒有處理18 19 22那我們本木合併啊檢列這個就沒有了本木合併那檢列多少好 |
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本木合併 除了以上個案以外 本木合併都沒有檢列囉 檢列的零喔那凍結就是1177萬5千 然後並...有喔 有一個200喔 24有喔 24有喔 24 減一個200 |
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來 重新來做更正一下那個本木合併簡列的部分是200萬不是200元 200萬元這簡列200萬元然後呢 凍結的部分是1177萬5000元那並針對各凍結提案的要求依審查會的一個決議那分別提出書面報告 |
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這沒有專案啦 剛剛沒有到專案提出書面報告那我們接著就來處理第二幕憲法訴訟業務提案第25案到第28案 |
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我們徐宇甄委員沒在這案就沒出力了沒有他去開記者會馬上就回來我幫他先講一下好了他的這個提案是希望能夠凍結憲法訴訟法的業務預算案八百萬然後等到戴琴德總統提出大法官人選的時候然後才可以解凍那這要有溝通還有第26案 |
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二十六案不提就沒處理了啦二十七案林倩琪委員在場請林倩琪你2627案 |
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這個都充分尊重各位委員啦但是也按照慣例來處理啦這個部分我們改成主決議啦但是在相關的書面報告要提出來之後應該是兩個月內嘛然後提出相關的書面報告 |
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二十七案的該組決議 兩個月內提書面報告第四萬一沒問題二十八案翁曉琳委員請說明我要講的就是說憲法法庭到現在為止都是屬於癱瘓的情況現在記得總統該 |
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提名這個大法官到現在為止一直不提名已經拖了一年多快要兩年了那麼這個問題非常非常的嚴重我們不能夠一直放任五人大法官作出違憲的憲法判決那麼更何況就說在這個大法官沒有 |
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這個上任之前其實憲法法庭他理論上他應該只能做低度的運作而不應該再去積極的去做一些違憲的憲法判決所以本席認為說辦理憲法訴訟審判的業務這邊的經費那本席提案就是整個凍結百分之 |
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凍結七成 百分之七十等到大法官至少補足十人以上之後才可以凍結也就是 你要記得總統應該至少要提名這幾個大法官然後呢 現在是八位嘛通過了兩位之後就可以這個讓憲法法庭正式運作所以本席這邊堅持凍結百分之七十 |
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來請機關來做答覆好跟主席跟委員報告齁那個剛因為在線那個這個是喔 |
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憲法訴訟這個業務裡面有兩個業務一個是審判行政一個是審判業務費那剛剛這一項是審判業務費審判業務費其實就是雜務費很多像譬如說我們要專家 |
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像我們要跟專家學者還有我們開會議要討論跟評沒有關係的這種專業討論就專業會議還有那個外國的大法官到本國來了解我們憲法制度的這些費用還有我們其他雜項費用是491的跟另外的 |
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四百六十幾萬的是審判行政費那個才會跟後面委員所關心的評議有關所以請委員可不可以讓我們四百九十一萬六千元可以動用因為這個完全是那個行政費用而不是委員所關心的跟那個大法官評議有關的以上簡單報告 |
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好 謝謝 我們就25案就不處理啦那26案也不處理 但是你27案你剛才說該組決議 那組決議你還沒寫出來啊已經在印了是吧 |
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好 那28案勒25案要暫保留喔沒有沒有 沒有來的 不出力啦我們都讓不是不是 我們都讓要代為表達意見的我們都一定都尊重所以這邊就是凍結800萬區域政委員的案子 |
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是啦,我們就是按照慣例沒有來了,我們就不處理啦除非有另外的人也有相同的提案嘛但是我們一定多尊重,你說翁小林委員你受到委託就讓他,讓你來針對他的提案來做說明,機關也做答覆那相同的處理啦,26案陳昭志委員不在的也就不處理那林倩琪委員的27個主決議的出來沒 |
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主決議的那個機關看一下你的司法院英語幾個月兩個月內向立法院司法及法治委員會提出書面報告 |
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二十七案就改組決議 二十八案翁委員的委員堅持就是動百分之七十 而且那個跟我聽 這樣我們就保留 好不好 我們就一樣一樣下去我講 你就說因為徐宇甄委員跟陳昭芝委員狀況不一樣陳昭芝委員因為她是出國去參加WHA的會議那徐宇甄委員她是現在暫時離開 開個記者會馬上回來所以這個部分是不是先保留來啊來啊來啊 |
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我們都尊重好不好 我們都尊重 來來來這個情況是不一樣然後吳宗憲委員 因為也要尊重主席就是我宣告完了以後就按照那個宣告沒辦法改來改去徐宇貞委員來到現場讓他自己再說明一下表達他對這個案子的一個重視但是也是按照剛剛主席的宣告這個部分就沒有再處理了徐委員還是尊重你的意見你再講一下好了 |
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議長我記者會可以我都不敢去開我沒辦法我今天做一個委員我也要交定書來謝謝主席我想這個本席提案的這25案主要就是因為針對憲法法庭目前在任的大法官只有8位其中5名大法官日前決定召開記者會並宣告憲法訴訟法修正條文違憲那另外3位大法官為出席評議並提出不同的意見 |
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直至該次的這個判決不符合憲法訴訟法修正後的法定人數的要求判決當然無效這已非一般的法律見解的棋而是憲法法庭內部隊是否合法組成是否合法開會是否合法的判決產生根本的一個 |
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分裂 所以針對這個憲法訴訟業務預期成果人宣稱要輔助大法官審理案件憲法審查的程序要更真完備提升憲法法庭在國際能見度所以我們認為在這個時候因為人數不足而要強行運作的爭議然後一方面又要照編預算照辦活動照常宣傳彷彿制度毫無問題所以本席提出凍結憲法訴訟業務的預算800萬 |
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那當溝通之後有同意只凍結兩百萬然後送書面的這個審查這是本席目前所提出的相關的針對此案的意見 謝謝你如果溝通的時候剛才沒說 |
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有溝通 但是解凍條件那時候沒有講說送書面審查就對了可以喔 可以好 那我們這還是你兩百萬你阿伯你這樣可以處理的還是委使主席的宣告啦你阿伯那兩百萬看你阿伯怎麼處理啦 好不好好啦 那這還是委使主席剛剛的宣告我們二十五案我們就不處理 但是你們那個有溝通的你們來講 你知道嗎 你們這樣不行好 二十五案我們就不處理 但是呢 接下來 |
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20萬就不處理了 |
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主席剛剛他都已經講了半天了這個徐宇甄委員所以凍結兩百萬這個都沒有喔沒有主席剛剛已經宣告了是啦那個我剛才有宣告啦那主席是不是以後可以在一開始就宣告好不好因為就是中間宣告的話這個事實上是我們可能因為尤其是我剛到司法法治委員會來市委你放心我一定很尊重您好不好我對每一個委員的提案我都非常尊重來那接下來 |
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我們現在重新再做一個確認,針對 |
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第二幕,我們25案我們就不處理,26案不處理27案剛改組決議,加書面報告,28案保留,尊重翁委員 |
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來 那我來第二幕 憲法訴訟業務提案第25案到第28案那25案 第26案我們就不予處理那27案改為主決議 28案保留 保留送協商 |
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接著我們來處理第三目審判行政提案案號第29案到33案那我們是不是先沒來我就真的沒處理喔我們都照慣例29案不過他有溝通啦29案是有做文字修正這凍結100萬嘛凍結100萬然後書面報告好30案 |
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那個是凍結書面報告凍40萬然後書面報告 |
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動40萬書面報告動40萬書面報告然後第三十一案請徐宇貞徐委員你的大腿都咬扁了你在怕什麼來謝謝主席針對本案本席是提出就是因為少年司法近年來已經不是單純的個案輔導而是犯罪形態出現結構性的變化所以呢從103年到113年的少年犯 |
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這個詐欺罪以及妨礙秩序罪合計已經從297人上升到3220人然後增加了2923人增幅高達9.84%暫刑事被告跟交付保護處分總人數比率由2.44%上升到30.33那報告也指出喔少年應遭組織吸收利用從事詐欺跟妨礙秩序的犯罪那 |
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司法院呢應該是要這個妥善的提出這個善策來因應呢那司法院在編列這個辦理少年級家事審判行政5739萬6千元的說明能偏重法制的研修行政業務制度推動跟設備的補助沒有明確的揭示因應少年假期 |
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防礙秩序案件激增所需的全國一致風險分級標準個案管理的流程還有跨機構合作的機制然後再犯的預防指標跟年度成銷的評估方式所以本席建議凍結該案的預算一千萬的然後經溝通後我們改凍結一百萬然後送書面報告 |
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好,第31案就凍結100萬改書面報告,可以齁?可以書面要緊那個,好不好 |
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來接下來32案我們就不予處理第33案請翁小玲委員來做說明好謝謝主席那麼本席提的第33案呢主要是有鑒於就是司法院那麼他們在這次推動這個精神衛生法的這個經費當中其中有關於雜項設備的經費編列900 |
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99萬就將近1000萬那麼比113年還要比114年都大幅增加尤其是 |
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比這個一百二十四年就大幅增加了五倍那但是本席沒有看到司法院有任何清楚的說明理由所以在這裡呢本席認為說應該要遵截開支那麼提出檢列預算五百萬並且凍結百分之二十五那等到司法院三個月內提出相關報告之後才可以凍結來請機關做說明 |
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主席報告委員精神衛生法專家參審新制的籌備在113年跟114年是主要是在相關的一個基礎的部分 |
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115年有五大法院需要有硬體設備的直接建置好硬體設備的過程中有許多的相關的這個我們所謂的雜項包括電腦包括這個所謂的基本的這些線路跟基本的這個必要的一些保護 |
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維護會還有保護被害人 保護那個嚴重病人的這些設備所以這一項字要用在五大法院裡面跟翁委員講一下有沒有 跟他說明一下 翁委員這裡有沒有辦法檢查一下 |
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就是到底要買些什麼東西因為為什麼你們從113年114年你們也都有編雜項設備那為什麼在今年就大幅增加了五倍本期是不知道說你們到底要增加什麼部分你們要寫清楚啊講清楚所以我們有跟委員協商就是說我們是不是那個凍結的部分取消三檢取消但是我們會寫詳細報告給委員讓委員了解內容尚未結論是怎樣 |
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是那個免禦三減及凍結 那改為主決議免禦三減我也不這麼同意啦 畢竟你們增加了五倍耶你們過去只有兩百多萬 這次為什麼要增加這麼多好了就算是說是 呃 左減吧 好不好左減了一百萬 然後凍結百分之十然後你們要提詳細的書面報告 可以嗎因為你們這個是持續的推動 並不是講說是你們今年就會完成嗎 115年全部都會完成嗎 |
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因為我們先前是先見識模組法庭那在模組法庭之前要做一個專家評估這些費用還有訓練等等所以會編列在113 114但是到了115開始招標是五大法院所以他才會增加 |
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因為當時之前的是兩大法院高邵家跟台中那這些法院是模組法院建置好了那當時的編列沒有到五家那現在我們編載一五是五家屏東台中桃園北三院那這個是因為這樣才會增加出來的那這個細項都有非常清楚不是說隨便的雜項以上向委員報告是不是不要刪減 |
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好啦 那如果是這樣的話我同意啦就是凍結10%你給我提出請司法院提出詳細的報告你們拿到設備是用在什麼地方是 翁委員也給您支持啦趙委員也跟你們支持啦但是就凍結10%提出書面報告好不好是 謝謝主席來 這樣一行一行我們就150萬7千那就從29到30 |
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我們第三幕以逐項再來做確認啦29跟30是文字修正嘛29是凍100萬凍結100萬即書面那30案是凍40萬有沒有書面有齁好31案就凍100萬 |
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還有書面報告32案不予處理33案凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10%凍10% |
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大家看清楚嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
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我們現在又帶計算機來逐來逐去 你看 |
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報告委員會 我們再來做確認 第三幕審判行政提案第 司法院議員 你們這關也要聽一下提案案號第29案到33案我們第32案我們就不予處理還有呢除以上個案以外 我看看凍結的部分就2647萬1000元對不對 |
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2647啊 這裡什麼 凍結 那個蓋了啦 那個蓋了啦 你這沒蓋等一下 我們這計算機在伺候 我教練的 回來一次 |
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這個人腦錯了 馬上會知道誒 還錯 有沒有錯我們念完就不知道有沒有錯了來 凍結的部分 施完聽一下390萬7千對不對 |
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沒錯 並針對各凍結提案的要求依審查會決議分別提出書面報告 使得動之 |
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來我們接下來要來審理第四目第四目就是司法業務的規劃嚴考我們現在第34案是陳昭志委員沒在就沒出力了徐宇貞委員有在請做說明 |
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35案 這有溝通過嗎 改組決議但是我這邊還是要補充一下 針對這個案子主要是因為就是在辦理法官評鑑委員會的這個業務的部分我們發覺就是人民申請法官評鑑最後多數卻應不符要件不予受理或不負評鑑而沒有辦法進入實質的審查 |
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那我們覺得說針對這個部分應該是要司法院應該要讓大家知道說到底是怎麼樣的一個機制什麼樣的一個制度能夠讓人民可以申請到這個法官的評鑑不會到最後都是因為不符要件然後就造成他的這個案量非常的低所以後來有溝通了那當然本身是改成主決議但是還是希望這個部分能夠加強宣導評鑑制度好 謝謝許委員那35案我們就改 |
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主決議36案 您欠其委員 36案我們請機關 您有溝通嗎 |
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36案我們就經同意後使得動之啊書面你現在是怎樣 |
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還是3%嗎本尊來了請說明一下我們那個就是我們把它凍結原本3%啦那我們現在凍結1%然後在專案報告之後呢那經同意後再使得凍脂那因為這個版本剛才在畫的時候沒有畫好所以我們後來再加一個版本就是說經同意後使得凍脂那那個凍結的比例就變成1% |
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OK,好,那第36案就凍結1%,1%經書面同意,使得凍屍,這4萬可以齁?是專案喔?確認一下,專案嗎?可以嗎?好,好,就1%是多少錢?12000,然後是專案報告後,使得凍屍? |
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第四幕我們來做確認司法業務規劃嚴考提案第34案到36案34案我們就不予處理35案改為主決議那本幕合併凍結10萬2000元然後經專案報告後使得凍資 |
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| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7157.823 |
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好接下來我們來處理第7幕就是第37、38案那我們先請翁曉琳委員來做說明這37案主要是針對法律輔助基金會的經費的部分我們要曉得就是說其實按照法律輔助法的規定司法院應該要 |
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應該要捐助法福基金會新台幣100億元可是一直到現在時過已經大概一二十年了司法院始終沒有把這筆捐助款到位 |
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到目前為止呢法律輔助的這個基金的淨值只有38億元可是司法院每年還是持續的編列的這個高的這個經費去補助法律輔助基金會然後實際上他捐助的每年也只有2000萬到目前為止法服還有60多億的這個缺口所以呢本席認為說司法院呢應該要依據法復法律輔助法要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
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合時的來編列要將這60多億的缺口在一定的時間之內要捐助完成完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
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而不是透過這種編列高額的經費去捐助給法律輔助基金會那麼如果說司法院認為說現在的法律輔助法有問題不應該要捐助這一百億那也應該要勇於提案修法而不是說我們法律在那邊你們這幾十年來都不遵守 |
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這很糟糕的所以本席這邊要求就是法服應該要提出分年捐助計畫而且也凍結這筆預算三成以上都全部說明完再讓機關來答覆接下來我們請審法會委員來做提案說明 |
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主席各位同仁,這個案子主要是武力華委員他針對這個有關目前的這個辦理原住民法律服務的專案目前的辦理情形,認為有所不足我個人也有跟武力華委員這邊特別聯絡 |
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吳亦華委員表示說司法院到現在為止也沒有跟他溝通這個有關這個案子,完全沒有,我剛剛才跟他電話確認也沒有跟他溝通這個案子 |
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所以這個部分我看是不是就我們保留到等一下先保留好了或者是根據你有夠現場這個翁委員的部分跟或者是這樣子這個部分就看這個跟翁委員是同我們希望讓機關先說明一下好不好機關大家做一個答覆 |
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這裡是法律輔助基金會執行長那跟省委員報告其實我們有跟五辦這邊去做聯繫那也有說明說其實針對原住民的培增謝謝司法院的支持因為酬金的增加所以今年的比率是增加的而且我們也跟東華大學這邊做了輔助律師跟審查委員的教育訓練所以這個部分其實是積極的在進行 |
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那因為今天剛好有機會港澳主席這邊發言針對歐盟委員的部分30%真的對我們來講有點多因為乍為條例的修正所以我們到4月的時候我們的預算執行率接近到40%所以我們怕7、8月這個部分如果沒有準與免與凍結的話我們這個後續指派律師會有一些問題所以是不是在凍結的比例或是這個部分能夠再做調整這個部分做說明 |
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法務基金會實行長的報告讓我覺得也挺訝異的,我們的預算都還沒有審你們就已經先動用了,先執行了40% |
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這個基本上來說當然啦就說是一年度預算是可以但是也要這個也要這個呃要了解整個預算的審查的狀況啊總不能夠超額使用啊好然後那現在的狀況就是說因為我還是堅持立法司法院這裡要做報告要提書面報告要提出他分年捐助計劃要不然司法院就提修法嗎 |
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你不能講說又不提修法然後呢捐助計畫也不完成然後也沒有給我們一個答案說到底他幾年之內要捐助因為一旦這筆錢捐助到位之後以後我們政府就不需要再編列過多的經費去給法服法服就要自籌裁員了那現在狀況他這幾十年來所編列的經費可能都已經超過一百億了 |
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是要因為 翁委員是要是這樣我們站在造法治委員會的立場 當然都要監督你們那你們也是先行動之嘛 因為你們都沒有審嘛所以說現在因為你也凍結案嘛翁委員其實他也沒有說很狠嘛法服的部分本來就會值得來做一個支持啊現在問題說你們叫你們要講得清澈薄那是不是翁委員你凍結比例可以再減一次嗎那就多10%吧 |
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好不好 那就先凍結10%啦 好不好10% 書面 書面報告來 一個 一個 審法委員 審委員那個 因為吳立豪委員跟翁委員 雖然是不一樣的理由但是是凍同一條經費啦那是不是就能夠合併 就是凍剛剛那個數字但是 他這個合併說明對 合併說明好不好 這樣可以齁 |
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好 可以喔 來阿杜阿拉范委員好像有意見要表達 沒有齁好 那我們 那個37案喔 動10%10%是多少 來 算一下 我要算經費你算啦 不要給我算 我每天有時候都會計算機算 又覺得算不對要不要也算一下好不好 那多少 |
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你們怎麼可能沒算 啊我們這裡算算的 要確認你們怎麼可能沒算 你們也是都要算10%而已 你就看多少個小數點點下去而已1億4897萬7千元好 那個37案 37案的翁委員這案齁 動到38案合併那就凍結10% |
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一億四千八百九十七萬七千元好 那提出書面報告後 使得動之教委 這邊我還要再做一點點文字的補充因為我這裡是講說等司法院兩個月內 像立法院 司法法治委員會提出分年捐助計畫書面報告那我想說這邊給司法院多個彈性就是你要就是提出分年捐助計畫書面報告要不然就提出法律輔助法的修正案 好不好 |
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我們預算還預算 那個建築他叫他這樣做 你也可以做主決意叫他這樣做啦預算我們衝下去啦 好不好那預算的部分還是一樣 維持剛剛的宣告啦就是凍結10%就1億4897萬7千元提出書面報告後 使得凍結你要處理 多的是機會 你只要有預算不記得接下來我們處理 |
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主決議 39案40案有沒有意見41案有沒有意見42案有沒有意見好 43案44案 |
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沒有看到這是主席的案子有跟主席溝通過嗎主席說要會議處理我們希望主決議書面報告沒有看到書面沒有變啊沒有動啊遵照辦理 |
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對啦 你如果沒有意見不是沒有意見啦你們就尊重辦理就好啦這樣就召喚通過喔有沒有修正 |
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確定喔沒有修正我就召喚通過囉有修正是你自己修正還是有跟主席談好修正是你自己修正還是跟主席談好修正是有修正主席說沒有修正 你們說有修正有有有 跟委員那時候有跟委員報告委員是說要在會議上面是嘛 你要站出來 要寫一下 因為當場你也要寫一下 |
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你我的案子你給我修正,你也要讓我知道你要不要修正什麼啊馬上送出去,有有有是啦,你們跟我溝通的歸溝通的嘛,你文字你要怎麼說,你說現場要怎麼說嘛,你現場要怎麼說你還要一個書面啊,這個每一個委員都一樣的啊 |
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報告委員 這個文字是委員那時候提出來的那個文字的修正但是我要特別報告一下就是委員我們有一個文字就是勞動補償因為公務人員其實是法定待遇給予他跟這個勞工的勞動補償概念還是不太一樣 |
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好 那你就是要把那個最後面或實施職務津貼優化於保文三調就對了 修正對 那勞動補償能不能改成誘因比較中性的文字勞動補償對兩句不要啦 不要啦 你文字要講啦 你要提出文字啦你給我講 你要寫大隊你要給我寫大隊 你要講啊 |
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主決議最後面言議如何給予司法人員實質之 |
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我們就修正主決議最後面就是原意如何給予司法人員實質之誘因 |
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你們這個也沒有提早說,你們這個叫做突襲,這不是叫做溝通,來好,那四十四四十四那四十五案那文字修正,到修正通過那四十六案文字修正四十七案文字修正 |
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48案 有沒有意見49案50案文字修正 |
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好來張雅玲委員這五十案我還是想要再強調一次啦就是說因為其實這一次我想要強調就是少年矯正學校或少年收容處所的孩子很多人在離開機構之後其實他很容易就就呈現風險了嘛因為他沒有辦法回很順利的復歸社會或是銜接家庭的部分所以如果這時候又缺乏短期住宿或生活照顧心理支持這個孩子可能就會回到原本的這個 |
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路徑裡面要掉入這些風險所以我們希望司法院不要只有看到院內的處境也要跟教育部還有衛福部一起把這個銜接機制來把它做好也就尤其是沒有地方住家庭支持的孩子或者需要跨縣市安置的少年可以讓更不能夠讓他們一離開這個機構就變成沒有人管這樣子強調這個部分啦好謝謝張雅玲委員52案文字修正53案文字修正 |
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五十四案五十五案五十六案文字修正五十七案五十八案文字修正五十九案六十案范雲委員 |
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這題還是要說明一下喔因為這個大家有看到今天記者還有在問這件事喔就是最近有很多醫師的性別爆裂的事情喔那衛福部的醫師法有規定就是他其實喔要由醫師公會或主管機關一副懲戒 |
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但是現在的情況就是說只有上新聞的醫師、犯法、主管機關、衛生局才會知道那有一個資訊的通報的問題所以我是請司法院要研究各國相關的做法 |
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因為未來我們修這個兒犬法的時候也有兒少工作證也會有一個資料庫對接的問題那評估就是裁判書相關系統內能不能夠增置身份證字號資訊那讓就是醫師懲戒還有保障兒少免於接觸到相關的前科犯的部分會比較會及時啦因為現在有個系統銜接的部分以上說明 |
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那這部分你們已經說會照辦所以可以遵照你們的部分好 60案的遵照辦理 61案文字修正 |
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不好意思 這個我也簡單說明一下來 那妳就范雲委員就60 61 62一併說明好不好這個61案主要是CEDAW的2022年的公約它的結論性意見就是國際審查委員高度關切我們離婚案件高比例是協議離婚所以很關心說調解的時候相對弱勢的一方通常可能會是女性會被迫讓步 |
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所以讓這個離婚結果會不會有發生一個不平等的效果所以我們請司法院盤點資源並明列就是過去你們在北中東部少年級家職法院的設立規劃有沒有依照原來的期程那能夠更深入的了解那62案也是相關的事情 |
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也是回應CEDAW國際審查的他的結論性的意見所以司法院研議要追蹤幾個東西第一個家事調解委員接受性平意識培訓的成效第二個家事調解委員他有沒有被評鑑的狀況第三家事調解委員有沒有被陳情他的次數內容跟結果第四涉及家暴案件採調解途徑比例的統計 |
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最後一個涉及家暴案件調解離婚的執行成效譬如說撫養費侵權裁判權的分配結果因為這樣子我們才能夠回應就是CEDAW國際審查委員會的擔憂以上說明那他們都接受所以就依照好謝謝范雲委員接下來63案文字修正 |
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來 主決議的提案案號30案到63案照案通過的有39案到43案48 49 54 55 57 59 60案照案通過修正通過是40到47 50到53 56 58然後呢 |
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六一到六三那第四款第一幕司法院我們就處理完畢啦剛剛吳宗憲委員這很認真 |
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因為我們事件做過了 我看你裝來裝去 還要給你算名字主席我三分鐘內講完然後機關不用回我 會後回我就好我先回答 第十六案的部分因為有一個少年保護管束風險管理計畫因為我們上週在開會的時候那你們有廳長也在場 秘書長也在場有承諾說隔天會給我具體資料但是我到今天都還沒收到 |
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因為你在國會答應要給我的資料你不能沒有給啊好不好這部分麻煩一下那剛剛有說星期五會給我那拜託星期五不要再忘記了因為本來說隔天就沒有這部分要講清楚就是你們那個指引還有結案標準這些你們都要把它資料要給我這個部分麻煩那第20案的部分就是那個邵家法院那個 |
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因為我知道有一些困難那但是你現在麻煩你們能夠給我委員會的現在的替代方案還有規劃的期程這兩個東西要給我因為已經十年了十年的這個還沒有做好所以麻煩一下給我們這個進度的資料好那第二十一案重大暴力案件程序的保護因為這個很多人在講這個部分因為我們現在發現被害少年的個資有被保護但是被害者家屬的個資卻在民視庭裡面 |
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就外泄出去了他家住哪裡還有他的財產在哪都外泄了所以這個部分麻煩要搞清楚看接下來怎麼處理那我們像那個小孩在學校被殺害之後目擊的同學跟老師他們到法庭去做司法面對司法程序的時候他出庭是恐懼的還有他各自會被外泄還有他候審的時候他在走廊上竟然遇到被告 |
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還有他回校之後的人身安全這個部分麻煩你們要注意這個你要建立起制度不能靠法官個人每個法官個性不一樣然後來分別處理不可以這樣那還有就是司法院是不是你們這一次可以 |
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把這個司法保護程序的SOP做起來包括單一窗口或道院動線啊 證人保護各自怎麼遮蔽還有回校之後要怎麼樣聯絡保護他們安全是不是這個部分不要推給少家庭就秘書長你要統合就是刑事那個那個刑事廳民事廳少家庭還有那個私刑廳一起大家跨廳的把它結束不然你看刑事保障了 |
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家屬的資料就民視廳那邊民視廳卻流出去這個不好好那29案教化可能性那個馬來西亞女大生那個命案一直都我們其實很多判決都有提到教化可能性但是我還是要跟各位報告教化可能性這個東西不能變免死金牌這個名詞到底要怎麼用 |
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要跟法官那邊要做一個良好的溝通啦不然我們的我們現在台灣的司法到底是保護被害人還是不斷的幫這個加害人找他不被判死的可能性好不好教化可能性一定要說明清楚 |
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不然國人到現在對這個教育的可能性已經拿來當作笑話在看了那最後一個量刑的系統因為目前量刑系統是由院檢還有院檢變這些司法律人來去決定的那是不是可以考量納入被害人家族還有被害人保護團體的觀點把它放到我們量刑因子裡面去我以前也有看過那個量刑因子表但是量刑因子表它 |
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比較是專業法律的人在看待大家忘記了 除了構成要件以外你還要考量到被害者家屬和被害那些團體被害者保護團體他們對於一些的想法還有建議好不好 以上這五條五案是我提出來希望你們那邊能夠給我回覆好 謝謝吳宗憲委員來 現在又回來確認一下那個第二項第二項剛才翁委員的保安派員出國考察是不是確認保留 |
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好 這樣就保留了第二案我們就保留來 現在也很順暑了我們就先休息要三分鐘還是五分鐘 我們回來沒關係 先讓大家休息五分鐘休息五分鐘 |
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4個案子保留那為什麼他剛剛只說一個案子 |
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20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、38、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、50、51、52、53、54、55、56、57、59、60、61、62、62、63、62、63、64、65、67、67、68、68、69、69、70、70、71、71、62、62、63、65、67、68、69、70、70、71、61、62、61、62、65、61、61、62、65、61、65、61、65、61、66、66、66、67、67、67、67、67、68、68、69、69、69、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、 |
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26號吃凍結盤不是我那裡都已經簽好了 |
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今年演出就退休了 |
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我要先跑那一陣我就會那你就帶他去給你的註冊啊 |
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拿給他們喝啊他現在省國公署那一間還沒到還沒有到喔 好好好好那就好 |
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接下來我們繼續來處理 |
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法官學院我看林倩琪委員有好幾個提案你現在就是要看幕來做你做一件刷面好了好不好好 趙薇還有各位福運同仁大家好那針對第六四案我們最主要就是說這個有關於原住民相關的這個業務 |
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那麼我們在64案是原本是凍結5%但是現在我們在主決議的這個部分就請這個法官學院在所有原住民相關研習課程的這個規劃內容的一個提供然後做一個書面的這個提出然後後面因為有幾案都跟原住民的這個相關內容文化差異性有關那分別是67案跟70案 |
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還有69、70、71、72都主決議看74、75、76、77 |
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7.8到7.9對那我們這個部分都改組決議那也跟相關單位這邊達成一個共識謝謝林委員的說明因為立法院都有相關的活動然後大家都要這樣走來走去那我們就給讓林委員來一次來做說明那我們60 |
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64是改組決議64案就改組決議那65案有溝通過了這個也改組決議65 66 67因為我們這裡跟司法院都溝通過了65跟67是改組決議66是凍結30%66案來機關這邊有溝通過了嗎有 |
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那66案就改凍結30%就8100萬67案改組決議68案改組決議那69案也改組決議 |
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70案主決議71案也改主決議72案也改主決議73案也改主決議74案也改主決議75案改主決議76案改主決議77案改主決議78案改主決議79案改主決議這樣不對了 |
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我們第八項的法官學院第二幕研習業務提案案號第64案改為主決議第四款第八項法官學院處理完畢我們繼續來處理第十項台灣高等法院第四幕司法機關擴簽計畫提案案號第65案 |
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65案改為主第10項台灣高等法院第4目司法機關擴建擴簽件計劃提案案號第65案改為主決議那第4款第10項台灣高等法院處理完畢我們繼續來處理第15項台灣台北地方法院第3目司法機關擴簽件計劃提案第66案 |
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第十五項 台灣台北地方法院第三目司法機關擴簽計畫提案第六十六案凍結八千一百萬提出書面報告後 使得凍資 |
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沒錯好那第四款第15項台灣台北地方法院處理完畢我們繼續來處理台灣新北地方法院第二幕審判業務提案案號第67案67案就改為主決議那接著我們處理第三幕司法機關擴簽件計劃提案第68案 |
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68案改為主決議然後第四款第17項台灣新北地方法院處理完畢我們繼續來處理第18項台灣桃園地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號第69案69案改為主決議 |
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然後第四款第十八項台灣桃園地方法院處理完畢我們繼續來處理第十九項台灣新竹地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號第七十案第七十案我們改為主決議然後第四款第十九項台灣新竹地方法院處理完畢我們繼續處理第二十項台灣苗栗地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號第七十一案改為主決議沒有錯 |
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好第四款第20項台灣苗栗地方法院我們就處理完畢繼續來處理21項台灣台中地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號第72案第72案改為主決議是那第四款第21項台灣台中地方法院處理完畢我們繼續處理第22項台灣南投地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號第73案第73案 |
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改為主決議是第四款第22項台灣南投地方法院處理完畢我們繼續來處理第25項台灣嘉義地方法院第二幕審判業務提案案號第74案74案改為主決議是第四款第25項台灣嘉義地方法院處理完畢我們繼續處理27項台灣橋頭地方法院第二幕審判業務提案案號75案75案改為主決議是 |
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第四款第27項台灣橋頭地方法院處理完畢我們繼續處理第29項台灣屏東地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號第76案76案改為主決議 |
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第四款第29項台灣屏東地方法院處理完畢繼續處理第30項台灣台東地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號77案77案改為主決議是好第四款第30項台灣台東地方法院處理完畢繼續來處理第31項台灣花蓮地方法院第二目審判業務提案案號78案 |
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78案改為主決議是好第四款第31項台灣花蓮地方法院處理完畢我們繼續處理第32項台灣宜蘭地方法院第二目審判業務提案案第79案79案改為主決議是好那第四款第32項台灣宜蘭地方法院處理完畢是來安捏對 |
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討論那本日的議程我們討論事項第一案以處理完畢來做以下的宣告第115年度中央政府總預算關於司法院及所屬主管收支部分審查完畢提報院會那院會討論前須交由黨團協商 |
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院會討論時由莊召集委委員瑞雄來做說明今天很順利 討論事項第二案我們繼續審查財團法人法律服務基金會115年度的預算書案現在請參閱提案板 |
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跟會整版那針對 針對該基金會的預算書案一共有委員提案六案那依序來進行討論先請提案委員來針對提案內容來進行說明那提案委員如果有兩案那就一併說明再請機關來做答覆我們現在請徐以珍委員針對第一案第二案跟第六案來做說明 |
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謝謝主席 根據第一案的部分 因為本席在看立法院的預算書的時候發現法輔基金會的法律輔助案件在113年度是55,567件 但是無需審查之力的案件高達 |
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41588件就佔74.84%那以今年度114年度更高達78.45%然後連行政院針對115年度的司法概算都加注意見明白的指出就是從104年到113年 |
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增加了42.4%那恐怕會真正的這個無需審查之力的案件占比有55.1%升到74.8%會排擠到真正經濟弱勢的需求所以要求司法院要檢討法律輔助申請資格跟經濟的條件 |
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那當然法輔基金會是說因為法律規定所以它不需要依法執行那我們覺得在財政有限的狀況之下詐欺跟重大的民運不斷的升高那我們發覺不需檢查資歷的這樣子的一個問題越來越嚴重所以就凍結法輔基金會的這個法輔成本三千萬然後大概這個法輔基金會兩個月內向立法院司法法座委員會提出專案報告 隨得動之 |
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第二案的部分是針對我們發掘法服目前的案子就是有關詐欺詐欺的案件越來越多那尤其是很多都是詐欺的被告或者是犯罪嫌疑人 |
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所以國家投入大量的法服的資源但是卻優先替詐欺的被告跟犯罪嫌疑人辯護所以這樣的制度讓人民怎麼能夠幸福所以我們發覺現在我們從一百零 |
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從這個113年的詐欺相關諮詢案件達到3072件 較110年度成長3.08倍平均每2.73件的刑事這個諮詢就有一件跟詐欺有關那所以呢本席就是凍結法輔基金會向下的輔助律師酬金5000萬元代法輔基金會兩個月內向本席 |
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本委員會提出專案報告10個動之說明近5年的詐欺案件輔助對象的類型被告跟被害人輔助的比率還有無需資歷案件的一個佔比還有輔助律師酬金支出與規模是否會排擠其他的弱勢的案件 |
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第三 第六案是針對我們發掘法輔基金的用人資金從107年的2億4988萬元增加到125年度的3億9022萬7千元增幅高達56.16% |
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佔總支出的比率也從16.8上升到23.1那尤其是我們看到115年度法福基金會管理階層的主管人員50人的這個用人支出大概是8540萬元換算成平均月薪可能有超過11萬元所以本席建議就是說既然法福基金會是一個公益的機構 |
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事實上他的這個每個月的這個管理階層領超過11萬的月薪高於勞動部統計的工業跟服務業主管跟監督人員的平均月薪所以本席建議要凍結這個管理費向下用人費用1000萬待法國基金會這兩個月內向立法院司法跟法治委員會提出這個專案報告時的凍置謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐宇甄委員徐委員說這個 我想有很多的委員同樣都有這樣的一個想法啦我們一直都打仗打仗之後 又衝一大堆我們又案件那麼多 又有律師跟人家打卡車這個都跟反差很大 |
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當然這是法律的一個規定我們立法院也自己要確實我們自己要想辦法看要怎麼樣來做一個處理一定 你說要叫律師去幫他倒車也我們日本人通過但是現在經營還有他開了一個經營有他這個炸雞飯吃了這讓人真的很討厭但是也請那個來 法務家來做一個回覆好不好 |
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謝謝委員 |
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我是法湖基金會董事長莊秋桃那我想針對這個問題已經在立法院幾乎也被問過好幾次了我們為什麼法湖都在幫助這些被告那麼多犯罪的人這麼多我現在必須要強調的就是法湖基金會成立之初到底保護的對象是誰除了經濟的弱勢生活的弱勢文化的弱勢還有一個 |
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我們都明定的明文規定的經過立法院通過的就是 |
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有訴訟權然後他是犯了重罪他需要保護那他需要保護呢我們說他有資歷沒有資歷你為什麼不去審查有資歷就不要幫他辯護可是因為他是重罪的話三年以上就是強制辯護強制辯護的意思就是沒有律師不能夠進行所有的訴訟程序就不能進行 |
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那這一個部分呢 就是有資歷的人 他是不是就不用受到國家的訴訟權保護有資歷的人 他也是有繳稅的呀 他也是有繳稅的國民何況在沒有被審判程序確定他有罪之前 他是無罪之身啊 |
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他只是嫌疑人他還沒有被確定他為什麼不能受到國家的保護為什麼他不能享有國家的資源何況我們只選擇重罪那三年以上就是重罪如果我們要改法律五年以上才叫重罪七年以上才叫重罪也可以改啊那你就會 |
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可能各位這樣的件數就會比較少那你說法輔基金會成立之前司法案怎麼運作的20年前 |
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也是有重罪的,也有強制辯護的那時候的沒有法庫,那是誰在辯公社辯護人,還有義務辯護律師當時的社會很單純,沒有所謂的集團犯罪的,詐欺犯罪那現在的詐欺犯罪,就是一連串,一大串那詐騙集團吸收的都是誰有很多經濟弱勢的,缺錢才會去找 |
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去投到詐騙集團去了很多而且大部分也是經濟弱勢只是被他找出來了社會上所有的經濟弱勢都被你吸收到詐騙集團去結果他們成了被告 |
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那如果說他有資歷我繳稅了可是我不想請律師我就是要國家來幫我變你能不變嗎所以當時的成立宗旨就是兩項一個就是保護這些弱勢一個就是你雖然經濟文化各方面都不是弱勢但是你是繳稅的國民你還沒有確定有罪我還是要保護你 |
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或者武器不對等嘛 我派了檢察官 派了法官要審判這個程序 |
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妳是手無寸鐵,妳沒有法律的專業妳站在法庭上可以嗎?我們國家不需要保護嗎?所以這個精神之下,成立了法律組織這大家聽得懂了,這麻煩了我聽得懂了,問題是說強制病,強制這個確實我們立法院這個地方我們也自己要去做一個決定因為強制辯護案件,妳沒有強制辯護的話那就變成審判程序要我立法令 |
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這麻煩 審判執事會被罰令的話 整個審判都不遵守還可以非常上訴 |
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所以我們就把他當成一個三年以上就我們要立法院我們就對於重罪重訴訟權的一個保障我們定了一個法要求強制辯護啊現在強制辯護之後 法律家就說你把他通過要強制辯護啊強制辯護造出來的案件現在我們當那個詐欺犯的保安那些都符合資格我們要如何說他不是這也很奇怪所以想一下 徐委員跟王委員我們想一下 |
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這個是很兩難的一個地方那如果說法律輔助基金會因為人民的一般人士都是沒錢的人其實他這個部分本來司法院如果有足夠的量能去吸收這些強制辯護案子可能也用不到法輔 |
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不是啦,這個案子討厭是討厭在說那些大家很討厭這個詐欺犯那我們又不得不,因為他是重罪不得不來幫他請律師幫他辯護,是討厭在這個地方這些人要你繩之以法,我們又出錢請律師對啊,一邊要加重立法,一邊又要請律師你有比較好的案嗎?你有比較好的行為嗎?那不然你要把他排除嗎?詐欺犯排除強制辯護的範圍 |
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現在這種狀況 不然就是刑事訴訟法三年以上是重罪 你把它改成五年嘛七年嘛 八年嘛 那這個案子就減少了因為我還有三個案子 我是不是剛剛就一併說明一併說明來來來 一併說明 |
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我這裡提的第三案 第三案基本上也是認為說法服在實務上尤其在刑事案件當中它歷來對嫌疑人被告輔助的比例高達八到九成對於被害人的輔助比例差不多只有一成 |
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而且有逐年降低的趨勢也就是說我們現在法律輔助基金會的我們每年編列那麼多的錢給法輔的經費基本上都是在幫助被告幫助嫌疑人固然剛剛董事長講我們現在法律規定我們有些強制辯護但是法院本來就有公設辯護人 |
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那是不是以後應該是要讓公職的辯護人多去幫這些這個不管是殺人犯啊或是這個詐欺犯的這些被告對不對這個使用的比例應該要做一些調整而不是講說回到就是說我們的法律要有強制辯護什麼這些我們都知道啊但是就是你法服的功能是什麼現在為什麼備受外界質疑就是說法服基金會的錢基本上都看起來都是在用在 |
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保護被告而不是在真的幫助被害人至於就是說對於被告這個他是不是有資歷的部分這以後也要一併做檢討做修正他如果是一個有錢的殺人犯有錢的這個被告為什麼要用國家的錢去幫助這些人去幫他們去打訴訟這沒有道理所以整體而言如果我們認為這個法是有問題的法律輔助法是有問題 |
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司法院 法服基金會也都可以提案修法要去做檢討 而不是無限制的將我們僅有的資源都去幫忙社會上面認為說本來不應該要幫忙的人反而應該我們被害人要多多幫忙就我們比例只有一成我們自己都有很清楚的 |
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相關就是你們輔助的案件數的被告還有嫌疑人還有被害人的比例對這個數據都在這裡所以呢本期這邊的話提出就是說是要凍結法輔的基金法輔的這個預算25%然後等還要請這個基金會向法輔向司法院法治委員會提出書面報告好所以這是第三案那第四案的部分呢同樣的情況就是 |
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現在法服的經費是逐年增加那你們聘的律師也是一直有擴大去聘僱專職律師的趨勢那麼現在大概是27位已經聘了27位他們未來還要聘到37個人 |
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可是我們還是回到法服的這個爭議點的源頭你們不應該無限制的一直擴大一直膨脹你們基金會的規模應該要想到說是怎麼樣把錢用在刀口上所以本席認為說你們用人成本的編列過於寬鬆你們現在光是用人成本的編列 |
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以聘律師的原額來講就編了6500萬以37個人的規模來編的話是編了6500萬但是現在的話只有27個人所以本席這裡提出就是刪減預算2000萬然後再凍結這個預算5%然後也是請法輔基金會要在兩個月內向市委會提出書面報告後才能夠凍結然後 |
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第五案第五案的部分也是認為說現在每年政府捐助給法輔基金會的業務經費的金額是逐年增加造成財務負擔所以基金會應該開源節流提出減少租金支出的具體計畫所以也是凍結預算20% |
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好 那也請這個基金會要提出書面報告 使得動之好 所以以上三案好 謝謝翁委員他的提案說明啊那其實有時候透過凍結確實可以要求機關或者說這個機構來做一個改善但問題有時候就像強制辯護的部分你給它凍結 它也改善不了那就是法律的強制 這個確實也麻煩那其他的就當時你自己說吧 來 |
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不被害人的畫面並沒有特別忽視了他反而這個部分我們一再的增加了對被害人的服務可是你會感覺到比例好像偏低那你要看說因為我們現在的強制辯護案子太多了但是因為這種刑案都是法官跟檢察官在場的時候那個檢察官就是被害人的 |
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等於是在保護被害人的嘛 那他就站在被害人這一方了那我們的告訴人呢 他其實只要的是刑事補償這一個部分那這一個部分我們也都有提供 這個他們的保護幾乎沒有跟環保協會 就法務部的檢察官那邊的犯罪保護人協會呢 是互相合作的 |
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這個部分沒有缺少 我們並沒有說哪一個地方去忽略了被害人反而是因為現在公設辯護人已經是國家不再考選是國家自己把它取消了那我們現在沒有公設辯護人 一退休就沒有了那你是什麼 約聘律師 約聘律師呢一個公設辯護人 一個約聘律師 |
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能夠消化得了這麼多的強制病患者是不可能那國民法官案子就是為什麼我們今天要聘專職律師的理由因為現在國民法官的案子呢 太耗審會時對所有的律師來講 就是在外面職業律師都是視如未吐你找不到律師的 那即使是在法湖的律師群來有三千多人當中 |
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願意擔任那個國民法官的律師的可能只有一兩百人他們有意願你沒有辦法強迫那個律師他是自由業他如果不想接他就不接你沒辦法強迫他那到時候呢每個分會遇到這個國民法官案子的時候這種強制辯護案子就算他裡面的約聘律師跟公辯都執行不了這麼繁重的工作 |
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那這種狀況我們是法胡逼不得已法官如果沒有這些律師無法開庭程序都會延宕整個司法院真的很需要法胡這個時候站出來協助或者司法就可以停擺在那裡了那國民參審的案子現在又一直增加我們立法又把它增加了10年以上都可以國民參審 |
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都怎麼來 案員就一直來啊現在檢警陪針也要律師夜間詢問也要律師少年案件也要律師到處都要求要給予律師服務案子怎麼會這麼多呢我們也覺得快要消化不了這麼多的案件了那我們的用人沒有增加我們現有的人力有辦法嘛而且法輔基金會他真的不是一般的公益團體 |
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我要這樣講哪有一個公益團體是由政府過預算司法院編預算一年要花費十幾億才有辦法運作的這叫做公益團體沒有吧所以我的基金會的運作都需要高度的專業人士來參與因為你要去指揮律師然後你要去運作整個跟司法配合的這個運作程序 |
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你能夠一般的慈善機構公益團體能做你沒有優秀的人才來處理能做嗎一個分會才幾個工作人員五六個他要負責當地法院所有的 |
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法官交辦的 或者強制變換案子這個是不得已的法務 也不想今天的案子變這麼多啊這麼大呀 這麼大量我們大家也是很辛苦的在做每一分錢都經過嚴密的集合我們有司法院在監管每個月的監管會監管得比誰都嚴 |
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這種狀況我們用錢都是用在刀口的哪裡用在不適當的地方我倒希望說有人檢出我到底哪個錢是花不對了因為都是依法規定的是不是可以改成讓我們書面報告不要再用因為專案的話 |
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董事長講的我也都了解但是這個問題就是變成一個死結你沒有辦法去解決司法院也不願意提出正辦如果今天說基金會不應該成為公益團體不應該成為慈善基金會那就是提出你們的修法方向是未來把法服改成像行政法人 |
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還是它就是隸屬於就像日本它可能就是隸屬於法務部跟司法院底下的一個組織然後兩邊共同編列經費司法院過去自己也提了很多有關於法服機構相關的研究計畫案就是我們現在看到的問題 |
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這個問題已經沉積已久從法國基金會當時說要捐助100億100億都沒有到位現在我們又看到法國基金會的經費是一直不斷的成長成長幅度很大 |
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那麼同時就是說你那個辯護而且他的經費的挹注比例是明顯失衡你真正幫忙到被害人的只有10%其他都是在幫助被告 |
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就可能很多重大案件都是殺人犯等等的難怪說為什麼大家社會上面會認為說到底法輔到底是幫了誰的忙到底有沒有真的幫助那些可憐的被害人那我的看法是說因為我今天我只是凍結而已喔那麼凍結的部分的話就還是凍結希望法輔能夠徹底的檢討那麼至於就是說是剛剛講的律師的原額 |
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我這裡本來提案是三減兩千萬那麼如果但是我還是不同意就說這整個的法服的律師是一直膨脹所以如果可以的話就是我這樣的話我就是減個五百萬好不好減五百萬至少你今年不要膨脹這麼多 |
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我再請基金會執行長這邊再來說明因為法服現在碰到兩個問題第一個就是說我們一直把案件量我們一直修法為了要去協助規定 |
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重罪的部分 原名的撥分 其他部分我們立法院想到說這個需要 我們就一直把它擴大所以它案源一定會增加 它會需要用到的律師一定會增加這部分我們後面我們前陣子放寬了以後 增加了以後我們現在再把它縮開 從這樣來看的話就是我們立法院又自相矛盾 |
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但是歐委員他的委員大議裡面去講的就是那個社會的觀感又覺得好奇怪執行長你再說明一下來謝謝主席不過我很快說明一下跟委員報告雖然看起來被害人只有佔10%但是法服刑事跟民事是一半一半 |
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所以法服的預算一半這個部分其實是在民事跟相關家事的消債的協助所以50%是刑事但是刑事這個部分又有飯堡在協助被害人的部分所以我們跟飯堡這邊就有一路相伴的窗口國家也有編列充足的飯堡預算只有當地區的飯堡需要法服這邊協助以後我們這邊才會指派律師針對被害人這裡去做協助 |
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因為犯罪人被害人保護制度對於被害人的保護是比較優越的包含心理諮商、補償資、一路相伴的相關的資源還有律師酬金的費用所以在看國家對於被害人保護當然法服是一個部分也是我們應該要做的但是在制度的設計上它必須符合無資歷第二個部分它被害人這個部分案情這個部分需要我們協助我們才有辦法去做相關的協助這是第二個部分 |
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那最後一個部分針對無需審查跟強制變換案件我這邊真的在做一個補充說明就是說在重罪的部分因為我們跟司法院有一個分流的體系所以從118年8000多件重罪的案件下降到114年只有6000多件其他增加在哪裡呢原住民身心障礙跟少年 |
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相信在社會上面大眾針對原住民身心障礙跟少年他的弱勢的處境跟境況這個部分是有了解的所以無需審查資歷不代表他就是有錢人而絕大多數都是社會覺得應該要幫忙的包含了經濟的弱勢者還有這一些需要幫助的重罪裡面的身心障礙跟原住民跟少年的輔助所以跟委員報告是說有沒有可能針對這個部分在許委員部分有沒有可能改書面報告因為專案報告這個部分真的還要再排審 |
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立院會期又非常的擁擠很繁忙所以我們也希望這個問題能夠透過順便報告好好的向委員報告真實的狀況那在翁委員這個部分剛剛謝委員有幫忙縮減但是有沒有可能三減這個部分我們剛剛也問過會計是不是一百萬這個部分因為我們一一四年的預算較一一五年預算只有增加七十七萬這個部分本來就包含了員工的晉級 |
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包含了新增的資訊跟專職律師的人力所以我們的預算其實在今年已經相當的窘迫了所以我們也希望在相關人員在我們的辦公室到位的狀況下能夠去做雲芝所以我們剛剛有跟同仁這邊報告這邊委員在刪減的這個部分能不能再做一些調整然後書面的這一個部分在比例上面能不能改成10%這個部分是希望做一個請求看委員這邊能不能再度考慮會的 |
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是 我想一下那個律師員額的部分他們是編了37人6500萬這是在預算書裡面你們自己寫的你們是編列員額37人那你們現在 |
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只聘了27個人 去年是聘24個人 今年聘3個人所以我的意思是講說這個原額就不要繼續往上面擴增但我都已經同意就說是從原來簡列2000萬 然後簡列500萬也就是說希望你們不要把這些公帑又去擴大這個專職律師的原額應該去檢討你們整個的制度的問題所以我這裡簡列的並沒有過分 |
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從檢列兩千萬就沒有過分了你平均一個律師薪水兩百萬那你現在編了三十七個人少十個人我現在已經都願意退讓到就說檢列五百萬我擔心這個可能有誤解執行長你再說明 |
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跟委員報告我們雖然編37個人現在禁用這邊到27個但是主要是因為我們辦公空間都已經滿了所以針對真的需要非常多國法案件的台中橋頭還有新北因為我們辦公空間滿了我們沒有辦法再徵聘新的律師但是這個部分確實實際上都有需要的因為法服這邊辦理的國法案件已經到七成 |
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而這些社會重大矚目的行案其實外面的輔助律師接案的比例是非常低意願也不高的所以透過需要專職律師跟會外律師合作那剛剛也有跟委員會跟委員這邊做說明是專職律師他的工作是把跟外面律師合作的經驗能夠彙整成律師界跟辯護界共通的資產 |
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來做相關的教育訓練提升我們的辯護品質因為法院有傳承系統檢察官有傳承系統但是律師是各自辦案的所以專職律師中心的設計是有這個目的所以跟委員報告就是說這件事情真實是有案件有需要的而且更重要的是我們人力這個部分能去做最精簡的使用法服是最外圈的那一線也就是說我們在跟司法院也是從 |
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公辯 異辯沒有辦法處理的時候我們才從輔助律師來處理但是確實是有些案件輔助律師沒有辦法去做處理我們才指派專職律師來去做協助所以這個部分是實際案件有必要這個部分再看委員有沒有辦法再做一些支持跟調整 |
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我基本上就是不同意你們再擴大多聘10位律師嘛你們在強制辯護可以請公司的辯護人啊為什麼第二段請你們資歷如果不行的話那基本上你們就要考慮到這個去檢討你們有沒有資歷的問題嘛對不對你現在再聘的律師也全部都是去幫忙被告啊幫忙那些殺人犯啊不是這樣現在用的公司的保安照啊吧 |
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沒有人啊所以這為什麼司法院沒有再去沒有緣額國家沒有考試我們也沒有緣額為什麼考試也不考試呢我們停留在以前現在沒有這整體就要去檢討嘛就要去檢討以前 |
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但是公設辯護人他的能力,畢竟他是公務員嘛,司法公務員,對不對?那你現在反而把錢全部都給法服去聘律師,我這邊我堅持啦,要不然的話就是...這樣好啦,公務員沒關係,這條我講一下啦,其實你如果說公設辯護人喔,公設辯護人我是不好意思說啦,其實是你說比律師界更強,不要啦,不要啦,開玩笑 |
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但是這個問題要去解決那確實因為碰到你制度也去做變革然後人也越來越多強制辯護也越來越多你說不好法府我是認為還是要給他們支持反而台灣這個強制辯護的部分我們跟 |
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世界各國的比例來做比較的話我們確實還要我們都還有要加強的一個地方但是 翁委員他擔心的那個部分像譬如說社會的那種觀感的問題這個現在立法院也要自己來解決啦這個我們自己用凍結方式用刪除的方式來也沒有辦法來達到 |
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我們立法院想要的一個目的因為這個是已經好幾年的問題都沒有解決我現在立法院正式進入我第三年的任期我已經看到法國前兩年的表現 |
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所以我現在已經是很客氣了當然 當然 董事長跟執行長有沒有解決之道改革之道基本上原額的部分我不同意增加這麼多然後呢從原來減列兩千萬到減列五百萬對 趙委我想我的意見也表達得很清楚了那如果說是法國能接受就接受不能接受的話我想就維持是啦 我知道你的意思了 |
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我馬上還要到別的委員會去你聽我說 你那是減兩千 現在減五百啦我的意見跟他們說 我覺得你們都後悔 變這麼久我們的看法就會有南轅北轍但是 翁委員所提到的部分 它也有一個核心的價值在的你這個看起來 有改革知道嗎 |
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妳說的是公設辯護人 我也很希望法院都能夠禁用公設辯護人但是為什麼就要刪掉我一直從以前來 我就不能夠接受因為我以前就是法官出身嘛 因為公設辯護人就是那個人員管制嘛人員管制了以後我們就不能聘啊 |
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這樣子好不好那個因為現在已經是是那個四月了嘛所以委員這邊五百萬我們接受啦因為這個部分已經是四月了所以接受那徐委員這邊能不能真的幫忙我們改書面報告因為我知道國會真的是非常的繁忙所以翁委員這邊 |
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歐元不好意思最後一句話凍結的部分因為30%跟25%再加上司法院這邊有10%真的有點多能不能併案改10%跟司法院那邊一致這樣這樣我們在預算運用上面也會比較不會有錯誤這樣那對於大院這邊也比較好處理就兩個請求就是虛文10%9億多就是直接從那個業務成本這邊總共是3億2億跟3000萬就以3億為主凍結10%這樣子 |
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等於是四五案並第三案然後凍結10%因為司法院這邊捐助我們已經凍結10%我同意那就是凍結10%OK10%來我們也是順便報告 |
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做個專案報告吧 因為針對法服的這個問題那個跟委員報告 請喔 來 一人一人來喔 這都總有六案喔你現在這樣創總社會 現在就是說你第一案跟第二案來 我們來一併處理啦一跟二一起來做一個處理 就是法律輔助的成本這個齁 這個 |
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安慰藝術的兩個座位這是我的案子這是我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子我的案子 |
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這個部分我想剛剛主席也有特別提到就是說大家都針對就是我們現在法輔基金會這個高達這個真的是這個大部分的預算都是用在被告人跟嫌疑人身上啦這是大家會覺得因為現在都講礙於法令的關係可是連行政院都已經提出來了 |
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這針對不管是無需審查之類或相關的應該是司法院這邊要檢討法律輔助的申請資格跟經濟條件才不會有這樣子的一個問題一直不斷的持續產生也會造成國人的一個困擾嘛 |
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那就凍結金額都改三千好了一二第一案凍三千書面第二案凍三千書面 |
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第六案因為是用人成本那我們已經被砍了所以委員這邊能不能就改書面報告來 財團法人法律服務基金會支出業務成本跟費用法律輔助成本提案第一案跟第二案那就凍結六千萬書面報告 |
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並提出說明報告使得動之來接著我們處理業務成本提案案號第三案到第五案翁委員家的業務成本提案第三案到第五案的部分做簡列500萬是用人成本簡列500萬然後其他的話三四案的業務成本就是凍結百分之十 |
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好那就減列五百萬三到五萬減列五百萬凍結就這樣是多少數額是多少三千七百一十二三千七百一十二萬兩千元並針對各凍結提案之要求依審查會決議提出書面報告獲實的凍結好那接下來處理管理費用提案第六案 |
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徐委員 這邊 剛剛我委員是凍結 減了500不要再動了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
那就兩個按合併好了 |
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就等於是第六案沒辦法合併啊 你這是第六案你如果要合併頭上那些阿伯就檢列零不叫他 要怎麼改善你就是不凍結了你這個撤掉就可以了 頭上那些都有啊第六案你就把它含進去啦 好不好 |
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11830.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11851.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
第四案第六案跟第四案就是我們這兩個用人成本的用人費用的就合併起來好啦我們雖然是業務成本的把他含到前面去啦好不好好OK不好意思報告召委就是說現在第四案第四案這邊的話就很清楚就是用人成本是減列500萬嘛不是一般的業務費喔 |
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11854.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
11871.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
三到五案就是這個業務成本的部分這減列五百萬啦是用人成本我只是談是用人成本他分支計劃用人成本減五百萬其他的話是用凍結你們有辦法再講一下嗎可以啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
11880.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11910.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
以三到五案就是用人的成本的部分喔三到五案的話它基本上有分兩個部分一個是一般的服務費用還有一個用人成本我現在簡列只是簡列用人成本就是少聘人啊凍結是全部的業務分凍結是全部好3712萬2000是全部那簡列了500萬的部分是用人成本可以齁好第六案就一併啊好ok好 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
11924.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
11939.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
我們討論事項第二案處理完畢來做以下宣告本案審查完畢提報院會院會討論前那就不需交由黨團協商了院會討論的時候由莊召集委員瑞雄來做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11942.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11942.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
通過這決議一例 |
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11961.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11982.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
文字授權主席跟議事人員來做整理那我們本日的會議議程所列的事項均已處理完畢5月20號就禮拜三上午9點我們繼續開會繼續審查115年度行政院人事行政總署及所屬等預算我們現在休息 謝謝大家 |
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11985.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11985.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
對學生過大 |