| IVOD_ID |
17439 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17439 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-18T08:33:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-18T13:27:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:53:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea76524978e6018887e75a3ba6584c2795b7b695d4fecf9ee9389798301918c8925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部部分。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國土管理署及所屬、國家公園署及所屬、建築研究所部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款內政部、國家公園署及所屬、國土管理署及所屬部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管作業基金－營建建設基金、實施平均地權基金。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金－研發及產業訓儲替代役基金、國土永續發展基金。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金－黃瑞景先生獎學基金、胡原洲女士獎(助)學基金部分。七、審查內政部函送財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會、財團法人威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復基金會、財團法人台灣建築中心、財團法人臺灣營建研究院、財團法人中央營建技術顧問研究社等5家財團法人115年度預算書案。八、審查內政部函送國家住宅及都市更新中心115年度預算書案。九、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員李柏毅等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。【詢答及處理】、【所列預算提案於115年5月11日(一)中午12時前截止收件。】【第十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員9人,已足法定人數好,現在開會進行報告事項,請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期內政委員會第十一次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百一十五年五月七日星期四上午九十至十時四十分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員張志倫委員等十三人列席委員羅明才委員等六人列席官員內政部部長劉士芳記相關人員中央選舉委員會 |
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選務處處長王曉林及相關人員法務部參事謝志明教育部青年發展署副署長陳奕聰司法院民事廳法官廖佩玲主席廖昭吉委員先祥報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項一審查公職人員選舉罷免法等十案 |
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二審查總統副總統選舉罷免法等九案決議一應變更議程原討論事項二九委員林思明等二十一人拟據總統副總統選舉罷免法第八十七條條文修正草案本日暫不處理待行政院提出院版後另定期繼續審查本日亦不進行詢答二公職人員選舉罷免法等十案一第十四條修正通過條文修正如下第十四條中華民國國民年滿十八歲有選舉權 |
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二第134條除針列第三項本法中華民國全年全月全日修正之第14條條文施行日期由行政院定之外其餘同線型條文三總統副總統選舉罷免法等八案第11條修正通過條文修正如下第11條中華民國自由地區人民年滿18歲有選舉權二第23條處第三項修正為中華民國自由地區人民於選舉公告日年滿18歲者得為前項之連署人外 |
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其餘同現行條文第117條除增列第三項本法中華民國圈年圈月圈日修正之第11條及第23條條文施行日期由行政院定之外其餘同現行條文審查通過之條文條次引述條文之文字及相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理並按審查完略拟據審查報告提報院會討論須交由黨團協商並推請廖召集委員先行與院會討論時做補充說明通過附帶決議一項宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位同仁,上次會議議事錄有錯誤?沒有好,那議事錄確定繼續進行討論事項請宣讀 |
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審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部及其所屬部分審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款內政部及其所屬部分審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管作業基金特別收入基金信託基金部分審查內政部含送財團法人228事件紀念基金會等 |
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五家財團法人一百一十五年度預算書案審查內政部含送國家住宅及都市更新中心一百一十五年度預算書案審查委員王美惠等十七人委員李博義等十七人委員徐育森等十九人委員鄭天才等十七人擬據宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理戰刑條例第五條條文修正常案案審查委員武麗華等十六人擬據宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理戰刑條例第五條及第七條條文修正常案案宣讀完畢 |
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本日議程所列討論事項何便詢答現在介紹在場委員及列席官員首先介紹丁學中委員許中信委員王美惠委員內政部今天來了很多人我簡短介紹請內政部劉世芳部長 |
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1893.2 |
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國土署蔡長展署長國家公園署王成基署長建築研究所署長王榮進署長馬世元次長 |
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1900.83 |
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1912.615 |
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董建宏次長好謝謝那現在因為我們一個法案我們先請提案委員提案說明 |
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好我就不上台另外提案說明因為提案的委員包含王美惠委員、李柏毅委員、吳立華委員、徐宇峥委員、鄭天才委員那在場我來代表說明那因為這個 |
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宗教團體以自然人民益登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條及第七條的修正條文裡面他的年限即將到了那我們希望提案把四年延長為六年也就是讓這個宗教團體他還有兩年的時間可以以自然人民 |
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以自然的名義來登記不動產讓更多的宗教團體可以受到這一個 |
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1991.489 |
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不動產處理戰刑條例的這個輔導所以我們做出此提案等一下一併來做詢答那在場還有沒有委員希望來提案說明如果沒有的話我們就請內政部劉世芳部長報告和跟115年總預算案跟法案一併作檢要報告謝謝 |
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2014.023 |
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謝謝昭偉 各位委員大家早我想我今天早上呢在外就是有兩個一個就是宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條跟第七條的修正草案那另外也報告內政部主管的115年度收支預算案跟附屬單位預算案等報告那有宣讀的口頭宣讀的部分 |
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首先感謝各位委員在這個審查有關於提出李博裕委員、陳淑月委員等17人、王美惠委員等17人、鄭天才委員等17人、徐宇貞委員、張家俊委員等19人、武麗華委員、陳怡委員等16人所提的《宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產戰刑條例》 |
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的第七條以及第五條的修正案共五案那有關於李委員等人的提案呢就是希望把這個版本由四年延長為一定期限那至於一定期限呢由本部來定之那徐毅臻委員所提到的是由四年延長為五年那吳立華委員提到的部分呢就是申請期限為三年另外補正期限由三個月延長為一年那本部的意見說明如下敬請委員來參考 |
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第一個為了減少宗教團體在購置或者是受證不動產借自然人名義辦理所有權登記情形衍生私權的糾紛耗費大量的行政司法跟社會成本那這個條例在111年的6月8日公佈施行第五條原來規定宗教團體申請不動產權的權利署任的期限為本條例施行之日起兩年內那後來因為宗教團體表示 |
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文件資料準備廢時為了維護宗教團體的權益在大院113年修過這個申請期限有2年 延長為4年那到今年115年的4月底的時候呢一共有941家宗教團體已經提出 |
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不動產權利歸屬的審任申請並且已經完成了1041筆不動產更名的登記另外有2284筆的不動產限制登記那本條例對於保障宗教團體的不動產已經有初步的成效 |
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2172.306 |
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但是本條例規定四年的申請期限即將在今年的6月9日屆滿近來仍然有大部分的宗教團體表示在文件資料的準備上需要耗費較多的時間建議再次延長本部秉持為宗教界服務的一貫立場也支持延長本條例的申請期限經查各位委員所提案的版本均對於修正本條例第五條的條文延長的期限各有不同 |
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內政部就尊重大院在多數的決議也將配合修正的結果在延長申請的期限內同時也積極協助宗教團體辦理包括不動產權利歸屬的審任作業以來保障宗教團體的權益 |
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至於武麗華委員陳寅委員的版本要修正本條例第七條將補正期限由三個月延長為一年那內政部認為為了避免補正作業的拖延呢這個建議是不是現行的規定能夠維持以上簡要的報告 |
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那再來就是報告有關於這個內政部主管115年度的這個收支預算的部分也是非常謝謝大院的委員在內政部各項業務上面的支持跟指教那有關單位預算的部分呢114年度的預算執行層面的稅務預算是8.49億元決算數是13.73億元超收5.24元主要為地方政府 |
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依照土增條例的規定繳回保管逾15年未受領補償費收入較預計增加所至稅數預算數一共有1037.93億元決算數有997.38億元決算數佔預算數的96.09%至於115年度的施政計畫的重點依據行政院的施政方針內政部有推動五大方向第一個是整合災防資源提升國土防衛韌性 |
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也第二個是建構宜居環境加速都更整形第三是確保國土永續實現城鄉共榮第四是深化民主治理而擴展公民參與第五是創新公共服務強化人權保障那配合施政預算一百一十五年度預算編列的情形呢稅入預算編列八點六五較上年度增加零點一六元一六億元 |
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稅數預算編列691.04億元就各機關編列的情形包括辦理各項業務等等這些也請各位委員可以參考指教那在於一般性補助款的部分呢內政部的編列是5.23億元 |
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辦理包括異南地籍國家地圖等等國土署也編列184.85億元辦理包括城鄉風貌創生營造點環境那有關附屬單位預算的部分也是一樣115年度有關百萬戶租家庭的支持計畫編列489.62億元新市政的部分是28.68億元實施平均地權基金是7.04億元 |
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研發替代役的部分藝南的管理資訊系統維運是0.3億入伍訓練的部分是3.26億元管考的部分是0.1億元國土永續基金的部分編列6.83億元那有關信託基金財團法人的部分還有國家住住中心所編列的部分在國家住住中心收入是54.05億元支出是53.89億元預計剩餘是0.16億元 |
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也將持續推動社宅以及都市更新的部分那在節育的部分呢也是一樣本部的部本部呢掌管了全國包括戶政地政議政合團國土管理國家公園建築研究等等關心人民的權益以及國家的建設那所屬同仁也持續秉持的主動積極的態度來努力推向各項政策措施也希望大院委員 |
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本於這個監督的立場可以給內政部的預算多多支持指教謝謝各位其他部會書面報告請參考書面資料並刊登公報 |
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我們現在進行詢答委員詢答前原例做下列幾點宣告本會委員發言時間5分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員發言時間5分鐘上午10點30分截止質詢登記那因為我們今天要處理預算本次會議就不處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有好如果沒有意見我們請登記第一位蘇巧慧委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請劉世芬 劉部長 |
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部長好部長今天是審查內政部的預算詢答那我當然也就內政部所寫的業務提了幾項預算案很感謝內政部相關所屬單位其實也都積極的來跟本席的辦公室溝通所以應該也都有很多正向的結果但我還是希望能夠在質詢與備詢之間請部長就幾個問題公開做回答所以第一項的話其實我是希望能夠討論一下這個社宅申請系統 |
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那部長我們都知道社宅現在大家都很好評所以供不應求或多或少都有排隊的需求那民眾知道自己的排序嗎他如果是備取的話那他知道他是備取幾號嗎部長你知道這個狀況嗎我可不可以請住住中心來跟您回應一下備取幾號 |
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謝謝委員關心這個話題備選號碼當然備選號碼知道嘛對不對知道我是備取而且知道我是備取幾號所以我想跟您問的就是說那我怎麼知道我備取比如說我是備取300號那請問我要等 |
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到什麼時候什麼時候才會輪到我這個300號呢因為其實我們就接到民眾的陳情我覺得非常有道理所以特別來跟您詢問因為我現在是被取表示我還是需要住在外面那因為我不知道我這個要等多久我怎麼知道我在外面的這個租期我要控制在多久呢這其實當然對我們會非常的不便利所以 |
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其實現在我們大概比如說譬如說看醫生的預約或其他甚至餐廳的預約等等我們都可以大概知道說我是幾號以後我大概會等多久處理中心有沒有辦法是在現有的系統上面再精進讓我知道我的備取大概是會等多久好 謝謝委員現在備取的部分我們系統正在建置 |
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已經有蓋建制了吧 九月底可以 九月可以做應該今年第四季上限沒有問題所以這個九月上限的系統是可以達到我剛剛的要求嗎這個我要再往下確定一下因為就是說現在排到備取已經到第幾號這個是沒有問題 這沒有問題我們都要預計還要等多久因為這涉及到我們住戶搬遷出去的經驗值的建立那不同的社區 |
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他的經驗值會不一樣所以我們會逐步來加強那謝謝董事長那既然現在我們都知道九月這個系統會精進上線我在這裡就公開要求我希望能夠朝這個方向前進因為這對大部分申請社宅的民眾是非常重要的謝謝董事長那有任何進度請再跟本席報告本席報告是謝謝 |
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那部長另外還有一體我非常關心的也是每一次都會跟內政部來就教的就是污水下水道的建制那污水下水道感謝中央給予經費的大力補助所以其實我這樣我們調資料來看數據會說話2016到2024年8年當中中央補助了新北的污水下水道建設總共210億是全國第一在這裡我們謝謝中央的幫忙 |
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那不過因為在這個過程當中其實因為剛剛好就是我參與的這十年所以其實它每一期的補助狀況都會滾動式檢討所以今天我們已經到了第五期結束第六期即將結束第七期要開始我就是要在這裡再次跟部長的討論 |
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不講我們其實在第五期的時候當時是說接管率到了五成可能我們中央補助就要下降就要減少很多了所以當時五到六的時候我們在第五期甚至第五期根本還沒有結束應該是說2018年的時候 |
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新北市做得很快我們也要謝謝新北市政府很重視污水下水道的問題做得很快所以很快就到了50%了所以我就不能申請中央的補助了當時我們就是爭取前瞻也要繼續持續的補助新北市所以前瞻給了10億好 5到6的時候因為介於這個狀況我們就跟內政部討論 |
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所以我新北這麼大你用全市來說我只要到五成了中央就開始不補助這樣怎麼會是對的呢所以很感謝內政部採納了我們的建議在整個接管比例數從五成調到了七成也就是說以縣市到達了七成才算是比較完善的接管率中央才開始討論補助是不是應該要調整好那部長我今天就是來跟你們就教那未來第七期你們標準 |
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還是以縣市整體的接管率做標準嗎這個標準還是維持在縣市達七成你就開始考慮調降補助嗎謝謝蘇委員對於這個污水下水道通常大概就是要非常有遠見的人對污水下水道的建設才會非常的關心謝謝蘇委員 |
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那委員所提到的沒有錯我們一般來講本來就是通案上來考慮如果你是污水下水道的補助達到一定的程度之後那希望縣市政府自己來補助比較多的經費可是你考量剛剛委員所提到的部分恐怕還要做滾動式的調整所謂滾動式的調整就是說你的污水下水道在建設計畫當中它的人口稠密的區域 |
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你要用到污水下水道才能夠保障公共衛生跟公共設施上面安全的話是不是需要調整這個預算上面的結構那這個預算上面的結構的話第一個我們現在跟行政院來溝通也就是說如果所謂的這個高階管縣市裡面的低階管區域的話他有沒有優先的補助機制 |
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沒錯 優先補助機制的話就不要拘泥於說你只能補助51%或49%也許六成七成都要考慮在內那尤其是現在有大量的這個就業人口或者是移動性的人口到新北市來我們必須要從長計議這樣子才會不要讓人覺得說我只是為了預算然後就把預算做成一個很死的一個方案的補助 |
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非常感謝部長部長那你有把我們前幾次的這個質詢有意見有參採進去我們非常感謝不過今天還要除了剛剛這個你說你會調整人口稠密區如果接管率還可以再提高 |
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中央也會再持續補助這個人口稠密區的部分您採納了我們的意見了我覺得很好那我給你看下一張圖你看這是我們新北獲得污水下水道或者說這個以顏色來分你可以看得出來有白色和深淺綠色的不同所以整個新北來講我這張圖想表示的是綠色越深的地方其實是接管率越高的地方比如說左上角這個比較深的地方就是淡水 |
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它的接管率已經到達了九成可是你可以看到其他的地方不但是淺綠色在周圍的部分不但是淺綠色甚至有大片的白色的區域這個地方幾乎是零甚至是你如果看最下方這塊最大塊很淡很淡的綠色這塊這塊叫做汙萊汙萊的接管率也不到20那它往上一點點的平靈 |
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接管率也不到20部長我今天想跟您討論的不只是人口稠密區你看看我們的新北市範圍這麼的面積這麼大遠超過許多的縣市我光是一個屋來其實就已經超過所有離島的縣市別而屋來跟坪林我剛剛舉例的其實我們是什麼我們是在縣型的這個補助作業要點裡面是優先補助的二水源水質水量的保護區 |
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所以部長我想跟部內建議的是說其實您在第六期的優先補助原則裡面一是都會地區二是水源水質水量保護區還有三四五等等但你是不是可以考慮我們像這樣子的區域其實它不應該只被用縣市來做劃分 |
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新本市已經達到七成了我們補助就降低你看看整個來講這是如果以台灣的國土面積來看我們的國土面積裡面還有絕大部分其實是白色 接管率是低的何況我們還有肩負著本台灣非常重要的水質水源保護區接管率也相當偏低我今天就是特別在這裡向您爭取水源水質保護區的接管率是不是可以突破縣市別 |
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直接由中央承諾我們會加強這些地區的污水下水道建置的中央補助部長問題非常的明確好謝謝蘇委員的關心我想蘇委員提供的概念非常的好那這些條件呢我們會來跟行政院的答這個我們在新北建設上面的立場但是我也要建議啦現在所有的污水下水道的系統啊我們都會鼓勵要籌設再生水 |
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這個再生水的部分的好處就是說它不一定是拿來引用你現在在第四項裡面其實有配合推動再生水那你剛所提到的水質水源保護區的部分的話呢我們也會有跨縣市來考量就是說不要把它局限說你是整個縣市好像是以零為貨因為我這個地方負擔這麼大的責任你不能只用一個單一縣市界線行政區劃分就把我劃死 |
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而且大達北地區或者是北北基桃它其實是一個生活圈的概念我們不要侷限在於縣市政府的氛圍來考量我想這樣對於平衡區域發展也是卓院長所說的是非常重要非常感謝部長今天的承諾非常重要我想我們不只是烏來、坪林甚至是雙溪、坪溪、深坑、石碇這整個地方都是肩負著水源水質保護的整個地區我們這裡的居民其實 |
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因為受限於水源水質的保護區其實這麼多年來有很多的辛苦之處我們希望能夠從政府加強補助讓他們的基礎設施完善讓整個生活可以改善跟提升謝謝部長的承諾我們繼續做細部的討論謝謝 |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請劉世芳劉部長以及國土署蔡署長莊委員早好謝謝部長部長早最近大家可以看到新聞其實引起社會嘩然就是有關近期這個不管是醫美以及有很多的公共空間偷拍事件頻傳那嚴重影響隱私跟引發社會恐慌目前這個民眾與公共政策平台發起連署要求政府 |
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正視這個針孔微型攝影機的管制那本席也認為因為地方很多的手掌或地方很多的聲音也傳出來需要我們有一個全國一致的執法標準不能讓各縣市各自為政所以針對源頭管理我們在現行的制度不管是內政部經濟部或NCC或警政署 |
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會負責不同的內容那我們來想想請教我們部長這邊您認為訂定專法統一制度您這邊我相信行政院有相關的一些措施了那請問部長請問你們現在研議的如何 |
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謝謝張委員的關心上個禮拜的時候呢卓院長在院會裡面已經有非常清楚的表達他是跨部會那我可不可以請我們馬事員次長跟您做非常短暫的把卓院長的資料跟大家講一下好嗎 |
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所以我還是希望在馬市長上台就是原則是不是可以禁止現在真孔攝影機這麼氾濫那例外才有開放而且現在很多的電商平台其實大家可以看到上網就可以買到非常容易買到真孔攝影機所以我們是不是可以限制現在上網直接收真孔攝影機的實名制是不是有機會來做限制以及我剛剛要請教馬市長專法跟實名制的制度如何請市長回答 |
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謝委員我想這個針孔攝影機本身它是一個工具齁那使用針孔攝影機的行業比較多是在變偷拍的工具嗎偷拍只是因為它使用不當但是我們還包括比如說行車紀錄器或者是我們的密錄器還有就是我們有很多的比如說家暴的婦女 |
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他會在家裡面安裝這些攝影機或者是家裡面有老人的這個家庭他想要觀察市長 針對問題回答我說原則有一些不法的要禁止 例外我們才可以開放那你們實名制跟專訪的進度如何報告委員 我想實名制的部分我們現在跟電商平台在討論那電商平台那邊如果說他是屬於這個特殊規格的針孔攝影機比如說他偽裝成 |
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增煙器或是偽裝成一些特殊的我們在平時建築物上面會有使用的這些的這個器材的話那這部分會跟經濟部討論就是說怎麼去規範這一塊但是因為使用的範圍很廣我剛剛有跟委員報告就是它的用途非常的廣所以我們在規劃那個實名之後要非常的小心那你們大概有沒有可能一個月之內提出一個完整的政策研議時間表報委員可以 我們這個月可以把它做一個分析跟委員做回報 |
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好 謝謝 吃早餐好 謝謝 部長 |
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部長你要補充嗎 是一個月做出來 這個我們比較是不是一個月可以把這個分析報告做出來 到底未來怎麼做的政策分析報告不會只有落在內政部 剛剛有提供到包括那個買賣器材的經濟部或者是交通部NCC那這個部分呢 我們會從這個行政院那邊請院裡頭是不是交辦的事項全部整合一個這樣的分析報告提供委員參考有沒有大概預計的時程 |
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目前為止如果說是分析報告的部分的話目前的現象到底在什麼地方當然是沒有太大問題那是不是一個月先把分析報告你們到底要針對哪一些但是主責機關不能只有內政部所以我不敢跟委員提到我們事後去問一下然後馬上跟委員報告好不好好 謝謝部長 |
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好 那第二個問題就是大家之前在去年前年針對我們的不管是寶二在我們的中州科技大學或是民防未來可能會在中州科技大學成立這個民防訓練場地我們可以看到在115年其實內政部編列了非常高的預算三億兩千多萬的 |
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這個整修經費可是我們看到不管現在是在第二期有關於民房的整修的這個標案在124年連續三次流標那我想要請教這個部長跟現在負責的官員這樣會不會影響到我們現在所謂的全社會 |
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整個社會防衛的韌性不管是要把民防替代役跟防災室大家集合起來一起訓練的時程會不會有相關的影響那內政部有什麼樣的因應 以上報告那個工程進度我請我們一政司的沈市長跟您報告那另外有關於全社會防衛韌性跟民防的訓練的部分其實每個縣市地方政府啊或者是我們現在在那個成功嶺都有按照原來的進度在進行你們未來要做這個產業就是想要把大家集中起來訓練嘛 |
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這個是在前期就是報導的時候我是不是請沈市長跟您講一下現在的工程進度好嗎好市長是不是可以盡快為什麼流標三次那你未來有沒有什麼改善計畫是我們第一期的工程是分兩標第一標我們順利有招標我說第二期第二標跟民防相關的所以我們第二期還超前那第二期是因為我們當現在進度有進度嗎是不是都流標進度是0對不對那你如何改善 |
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是對我們就是因為有去檢討當初編的這個標準比較低那我們招了三次標都流標所以我們在修正這個這個標準的這個金額要把它提高提高符合這個我們目前的市場的這個 |
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這個標準啦 因為這幾年物價也都波動很大那我們在檢討的時候 順便...大概什麼時候會檢討完畢我們目前已經在檢討 我們準備要報行政院了好 那大概預計什麼時候我們希望今年能夠順利行政...今年年底前嗎 還是...年底前 希望說不要再流標了謝謝 好 謝謝再有請部長 |
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部長那其實還是針對替代役男的這個替代役男體位的修正標準我想還是全民大家在緊張在擔心的啦那當時我們都知道現在這個體位的標準在於誰要當兵誰要當替代役過去都是這個國防部軍醫局在主管的 |
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那我相信現在內政部想要來調整這樣的內容我想也是有調整的空間可是當今年本來是今年四月你們就要把這個規定給上路了可是到現在為止是受到民間不管是民團民間強烈的抗議所以沒有辦法被採納所以我們到現在還沒有一個制度的去改還沒有一個制度標準的一個公佈那是不是請教部長 |
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到底你們現在的改善改的方向在哪裡到底BMI要提高到多少身高要提到多少有什麼這樣的情況可以把這整個標準給提供出來不然的話很多人現在要當兵的心裡會壓力很大以及未來你們改了這個標準的以後是不是這個在整個軍隊上在執行的話會不會造成大家進去有些人會因為他身體的狀況不好被啟示造成管理上的困難請部長回答 |
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報告委員 這個部分大概是內政部跟國防部要共同來訂定啦然後那個如果有針對有一些異難 它會有緊張或者是說不安的話呢其實我們都知道公告之後是按照公告的日期以後才開始算那其實我們怎麼樣處理有關那個共識不強的部分我請沈市長很快跟您回應一下是不是簡單回答 因為這次所有異難都在聽的不要就是把問題給轉向 |
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我們目前已經跟民團相關的團體跟包括醫學中心我們就已經整合意見了 現在我們有沒有可能BMI到底要到多少 身高有沒有調整BMI的部分那個我們BMI45以上的是免疫啦那下限的部分我們目前是在BMI是到14的部分這個對 受的重是14 |
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這另外一個你剛剛說BMI過多少才可以4545是免疫那替代疫呢替代疫的部分是我們32還是跟原本條件一致所以你討論那麼久從4月結束到現在6月你沒有改變啊沒有改善民團還是在抗疫啊那身高呢身高有調整嗎 |
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VMI的部分是下限的部分本來我們是希望是沒有下限啦但是我們沒有下限對對對因為我們曾經在85年的時候也曾經VMI的部分身高體重不設為我們一覽體味氣溫標準的一個認定的標準 |
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時間的關係我還是要拜託趕快去討論那你們未來什麼時候要公佈我們就要公佈的結果市面不要沒有下線我們有一個要發佈的作業期程我們跟國防部密切的建議你這邊決定好了嗎我們希望是能夠在六月中旬以前那希望趕快跟社會做溝通那剛剛的回應我覺得還是要再多做考量那謝謝你再有請部長 |
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部長實際的關係最後一題我相信這是等一下委員會大家討論的時候一個非常重要的重點之一就是有關於這個台灣未來是不是建立數位身份證的啟程這會非常的重要為什麼要跟部長報告這件事情 |
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因為在114年的12月我國的友邦叫做聖克里斯多福這個友邦他發了一個新聞稿最新的資訊台灣已經成功協助友邦建置數位身份證系統而且完成軟硬體的安裝並設備移交顧名思義啊台灣 |
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他除了身份證的技術已經是成熟而且是世界頂尖的技術在技術執行上絕對沒有問題可是反觀看到我們台灣從109年行政院核定編列預算到今年115年我們已經花了大概超過將近10億的預算 |
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都還在研議延伸的階段那我想要請教就是為何我們台灣的速度這麼緩慢我們台灣的這些數額身份證的資訊都已經發展到、成熟到可以外銷、推廣到國際上了其實我們在台灣還在處於牛步的階段 |
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那我必須要說台灣現在詐騙那麼橫行我們還不能使用書費身份證的原因是什麼所以我們的意思是說我們現在每年編列預算給內政部來去做使用你們的期程到底有沒有往前推進一步你們到底有沒有跟社會溝通把過去資安的疑慮給下降而不是我們一直拿人民的納稅錢來去做使用是不是可以請部長或是協助的官員來回答 |
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謝謝張委員分兩個部分有關於原來新式身份證的那個部分暫緩的部分也是大院同意所以目前我們的使用經費是10.96億大概委員非常清楚那未來數月身份證到底有沒有再繼續推動下去的空間當然是有可是大家也都知道台灣其實在資安問題的處理上面當然是全球頂尖 |
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可是數位身份證呢涉及到個資的部分還有涉及到我們現在的那個行政院的個資委員會成立之後如果沒有辦法把這個嫁接得非常清楚再加上台灣在處理數位身份證上面的資安駭客的問題整理得非常好的話恐怕只有純粹用技術問題來解決數位身份證大家的共識性不會很強那行政院當然要求我們要做檢討這個部分我們會繼續來檢討 |
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等到治安的問題可以告一段落他的機制上面處理得很好的時候我們當然一定會就來推動那同時也謝謝張委員對於這個詐騙的部分在台灣橫行我們的反詐騙當然處理有成果可是大家都知道這個詐騙集團到目前為止那麼的橫行的狀況之下跟身份證件不一定有絕對相關的部分我們這個還都會列入共同的檢討的空間 |
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好 謝謝部長身份證只是詐騙集團用來使用詐騙手段的其中之一比如說賣身份證來盜用資料去開人頭賬戶等等我相信部長也非常清楚所以我們需要的是說政府要把這些很多事情從源頭來改善其實數位身份證在政府的領導之下是一個很好的方式那當然行政院他各自委員會什麼樣成立的時候我們會來去敦促也拜託部長大家不分黨派各位委員大家一起來推動以上 謝謝 |
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好謝謝謝謝張志榮委員謝謝好接下來我們請王洪威委員謝謝好謝謝主席我請部長還有我們國土署署長王議員好 |
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部長 署長 我想大家討論大家可能覺得最非常關切的問題就是怎麼樣去提高現在台灣的出生率我們現在對於新生兒家庭的房屋租金補貼有做加碼 |
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那從今年開始就是今年出生的新生兒他的補貼可以加倍補貼但是最近我們辦公室陸陸續續有一些新生兒的媽媽來跟我們陳情 |
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因為對他來講當他去申請房屋租金補貼的時候他看到就是如果新生兒是從今年1月1號開始出生就可以有加倍補貼但是他的幼兒他的新生兒是去年年底或去年出生的就沒有辦法加碼補貼那我在這邊也是想跟我們內政部來做一個溝通 |
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因為對於這些有新生兒家庭的房屋租金補貼你不能說他在去年12月出生的這個補貼就可以少一些然後今年1月1號出生他可能中間只有10天半個月就有這樣的這個加碼補貼的不一樣所以我在這邊呢為我們這些 |
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新生兒租金補貼我要請命是不是能夠把這個租金補貼的時間你至少放寬到三歲你現在對於一些三歲以下的幼兒其實對他們來講這個租金補貼是非常非常重要的所以在這一點是不是我們這個內建部國土署可以在這個部分去延益放寬 |
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謝謝王委員的關心我想王委員的講法非常有道理那我們來跟那個包括衛福部在內那個能不能把標準一致對齊如果需要放寬的話我們就朝這方面來處理我們就放寬好不好因為我們現在碰到好多新生兒的 |
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媽媽同意同意我說我去年年底生小孩現在就沒有辦法了解我們有說到這方面的部分但是我們一定要一個其一的標準我們可以跟衛福部去做商量會推出同樣的其一標準那另外我想那個署長可以署長也在好了沒問題 |
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另外有一件事情就是最近台北市的密室逃脫出現了一個憾事跟悲劇這當然是在整個的遊戲的設計裡面有女員工她不幸的死亡事實上密室逃脫的種種的公安問題 |
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不管是在消防或者建築上他可能違反相關規定或者他根本無法可管早在十年前消基會就提出呼籲了因為其實這個密室逃脫這個產業在台灣已經存在相當的時間如果根據最新我們所查到的這個所謂的台灣沉浸式的體驗產業白皮書這個產值 |
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達到新台幣6.3億而且體驗人數已經超過45萬人次之多所以可以說密室逃脫的這樣的一個產業其實應該要納入管理那台北市當它出現這個憾事跟悲劇之後 |
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蔣文安市長他希望說這個密室逃脫產業希望能夠有專法來做規範那麼然後地方的縣市呢可以依據這個專法來做不管是稽查也好或者是處罰也好 |
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那可是問題是我們現在看到啊到目前為止我們內政部只有針對互動其境體驗場所的安全指導綱領這個指導綱領位階非常非常的低那麼它其實就是一個勸告式啊 |
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業者不做你也沒有辦法所以部長我在這邊也請問你第一個問題是蔣國安市長建議要用專法來做規範第一個您同不同意 |
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第二個 這些相關的法規我也去查了 比如說觀光遊樂事業啦或者這些機械遊樂器材啦或者兒童設施的安全等等我們內政部其實都有相關的不管是規則也好 或者一些辦法也好那在這些規則辦法裡面起碼它規範了比如說第一個 它要求你要有執照不是說你今天 |
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圈一個這個場所你就來營業第二個你必須定期稽查而且責成縣市政府必須定期稽查第三個業者必須要具投保責任保險我把它整個的看一遍之後大概是主要是這三個的規範所以我想請問第一個是部長您同不同意要設立專法 |
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先請國土署跟您回應一下有關他們的主管範圍的部分好不好跟委員報告那涉及到整個公共安全的部分那這個部分一般我們都是會跟地方政府去做一個稽查或者是說會做成一些案例再通報各縣市政府類似這些狀況的公共安全稽查過去三年你們做了多少稽查呢 |
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好不好這個因為時間關係你會後提供給我過去三年由我們中央主管機關會同縣市政府做了多少安全稽查然後你們稽查之後你們的處理是什麼好不好這個我們會統計像最近一次也有做過一些地下室像一些儲電設施的其實都有好你要提供嘛好不好好來請部長 |
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您謝委員的關心我想我們還是要了解一下說目的失業主管機關是哪些單位像您查得非常清楚包括有觀光娛樂或者是有包括其他文化等等這些那我們當然目前看到台北市這樣旱事發生的時候我們覺得說當然是中央跟地方要一起來努力我們先把相關的規定先釐清清楚像譬如說我了解現在的狀況是不是在勞動安全上面出現一些狀況 |
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所以跟那個建築本體的公共安全啊他到底有沒有這方面的關係呢我想我們會來了解一下狀況以後再給委員做一個比較詳細的報告這樣好不好部長可不可以答應我在最短時間內你們召集縣市政府 |
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還有相關的單位當然消防建築是屬於內政部那另外這個密室逃脫產業他可能是屬於文化部他主管是文化部但文化部不會管到這些那麼多嘛還有比如說勞動安全的部分你們可不可以召集相關的單位 |
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来针对这个密室逃脱产业他要不要设置专法或者他的位阶起码这个安全指导杠里位阶实在是太低了而且当我们翻出原来消极会在十年前就已经发出警语 |
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但是這10年間沒有什麼任何的作為那大家越會覺得那這塊產業剛剛也講體驗人數已經超過40萬人次未來還會更多所以部長可不可以答應承諾在最短時間召集相關單位來針對我剛才所講的這些相關的規範把我們的規範的層級把它拉高 |
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謝謝委員的指教我想內政部可以主管的是消防還有建築安全的部分那我們在那個短暫的時間內會請國土署就這個還有我們的消防署就這個消防跟建安的部分跟縣市地方政府一起來檢討一下到底哪一些出了狀況需要我們在做法律上面的更正好我再最後一句話剛才張志倫委員特別提到了就是真恐攝影那我想請問部長 |
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針孔攝影在台北市提出來的就是因為你知道針孔攝影有的是一個螺絲釘你以為你看到的是螺絲釘它事實上就是一個針孔攝影USB上也有一個小台燈上面也是或者一個水杯上面它其實裡面也镶著針孔攝影所以台北市提出來就是購買這種針孔攝影就是要偷拍嘛應該採取實名制管理 |
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部長你同意嗎報告委員我們剛在回應張委員的時候有提到要看到的目的譬如說有的人是為了照顧家裡長照的老人家那有的人是為了照顧貓狗毛小孩是不是有被虐待或者自己的小朋友們被虐待這是他的用途還有包括像行車紀錄器或者是警員所用的密錄器 |
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這些呢其實都跟這個攝影機有關所以它牽涉的單位跟目的事業的使用呢其實是非常的多元如果你轉正的只是想到說要解決這個真孔攝影機造成這個醫美診所裡面這種偷拍的狀況的話採取實名制其實還有很多的廣泛的空間需要討論那也不能就是說只侷限在一個部會所以上個禮拜卓院長已經有提出這個專案的部分邀請很多單位包括NCC或者地方政府因為 |
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上禮拜這個台北市的副市長他也有參加這樣的會議那我們會按照院長的指示來繼續往下看有沒有什麼檢討的空間減少一般人對於這被真孔偷拍這樣的一個恐懼跟不安的狀況好我覺得這個真孔社因為現在實在是無所不在那真的要讓民眾有免於被偷拍的這樣的恐懼好不好好謝謝好謝謝謝謝王宏威委員 |
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接下來我們請王美惠委員進行質詢 謝謝主席 大家保重 |
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黃議員你好 保庭教授保庭教授 保庭教授 保庭教授 保庭教授 保庭教授 |
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在這裡開始登記的時候,還有1200萬張完成登記但是在這個過程當中,到最近還有1200多張沒有完成登記 |
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全國有兩千多家在我們1810年開始的經濟當中我相信部長也知道好經濟的、沒麻煩的差不多都經濟了 |
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現在就是有問題的,不像你認為,這裡穿幾件還沒穿起來,一定對的是什麼問題?就是說,我們因為這件事,不要讓他覺得可以穿起來 |
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沒有辦法去定義,所以我們今天要來想這個法,是不是可以放寬兩年或是四年因為這個法,這個規定,就是十年來要完成,如果十年來沒有去定義,沒有去什麼,就沒有了 |
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所以補充 你認為到現在有穿幾件 因為這次登記一定有什麼問題所以我們一開始的時候有很多人去登記我剛才本身說的好登記的登記起來現在我們的登記的問題是什麼 是不是可以請補充回答一下 |
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報告委員 委員對這個宗教團體包括這裡的定期的部分非常關心當然像委員所說的好定期的好處理都處理了什麼是壞定期 壞處理這個看得到說頭一方面就是它的產權很複雜 |
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相關很複雜的,有時候是有牽涉的工地,有時候是樹林的土地,有時候是沙坡地有時候還要求說它是不是間地還是敏感的地質我們都知道很多廟宇,有時候差不多在那個地方已經七八十年、一百年以上,比恢復還要久 |
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所以派處理這一項第二項就是說他在定期的過程當中或是過去以來 裡面的朱祁鈴譬如說廟宇裡面的朱祁鈴或是中幹署他們個人的意願是不是很強有的大廟跟縣主說我就是要定期你也不把他強迫因為我們的保安是高雷我們是強制 |
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所以什麼拖這麼久的時間都一定要用暫行條例然後延長實現就是希望說我們可以花更多時間來跟他們來做這個服務但是事實上真的回到困擾因為每一個廟宇裡面都回到不一樣的問題那裡面牽涉的問題有時候不是用我們的行政的處分可以處理 |
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有時候是個人 到個人期間就又來又去啦 丁丁這些我們站在行政官員的日程要蓋一張就是很大的困擾所以包括說我們跟每一個管制政府的合作期間他也覺得說這很大的困擾 |
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就繼續去補充當然要感謝現在有配合到政府機關所提出來的定期但也能定期好所以未來時間到了有什麼方式我認為跟憲主席都要有共識喔 都要有共識 要有共識我們現在是怎麼跟你說好定期的定期去了現在就是有困難的要有定期你知不知道我們的行為 |
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變成給長輩、長輩、長女依賴在廟的,要給予的人,完蛋啦! |
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有幾多間廟,前一陣子他想說,你還知道全台灣的廟很多的,聽到中央政府有這個很好,要去登記的時候,就發覺說,這套廟的三款,是一半樹林的,一半是公家的,到現在已經收購了 |
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他們本來以為我在這個廟做不到,做三、四十天、四、五十天,跟你們政府說不要在天氣好的時候,跟我說廟做不到,都沒這回事 |
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所以補充這個問題也有出現出來的困擾跟我們實在的好意想說跟當初以來 英國都沒有辦法 也沒有的經濟我們有望讓它更合法的 讓它更好 結果變成這樣補充 因為我覺得問題出一台 我相信補充你們這個單位比你們好人 |
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都還在那裡我現在安撫公司聽這句話 |
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煩惱煩惱的 擔心擔心的那不要緊 我們待會還要討論的時候有什麼問題還可以討論在這裏面補充我跟你跟國土署來請教一下我們因為因應氣候變遷的時候的疫症有新增29億在這個過程當中 補充 |
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署長,你如果看到電影,現在電影大家都很認真做的尤其白水也做得很好,但是現在就是有時候太大火,讓你沒辦法去預防的火水來了,在這個過程當中 |
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不管帶一棟的,會協調當中,都有說這二十九億,不會散所以看得出來,補聽也好,國土事務也好,很認真 |
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地方政府溝通說 你們有需要帶 要改善的 要緊實的未來 緊注力但是在這個過程當中 事實上我還要說因為你知道 地方經常有陰水在那裡的時候 |
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若是阿未到位的選 跟陰水的選 你會更好嗎來 蘇丁你回答一下跟委員報告 這個部分我們當然會看得很痛苦但我們也就希望說 第一個預算要趕快通過第二個就是 有很多前置的一個作業我們會跟地方來溝通 趕快先進行 |
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市長,因為我也知道你們很用心,但是在用心的當中,讓水這麼大下水的時候,是認真要認真,我認為認真是應該的 |
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那天你後去看 把你市政府拿出界外在後五十要求水機裡面 署長我問你 到那天你說的可以看出雨水下水量的監測可以做抽水站 要多久來 署長你回答一下 |
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跟委員報告那個如果說他就是整個計劃如果現在開始去做一個設計啦那他實際上完工的時間也大概落在明年的最快大概是明年的訓期前應該可以趕完工 |
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這樣,市長,我先來請教一下,像我自己在這裡這幾十年會進行,你們有沒有去加價去市政府,我已經去處理去用,因為畢竟大家都為了百姓來 |
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我們報計劃的過程就是會召開一些相關的審議 |
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所以這個東西跟地方政府包括內容要怎麼做其實都有溝通 而且還有很經過的審查這樣 市長你的意思就是說每一件要結尾到中央的時候當然是要寫好最好我們不一定每一件會結尾都可以在中央補助 |
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要經過審查啦 要經過審查 要本身在這裡說白痴的問題 路虎的問題 你要去委員會說我們沒有關稅 要不可以讓地方改變 |
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他的環境才是最重要的我們會盡量幫助地方去解決這些問題因為可能溝通有些問題 我覺得這不是起頭想說你先去你的 先去我的可以讓地方的建設 |
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做好,改善好,不要白做大家看羅浩,下大火的時候,就煩惱他的飲水這是最重要的因為大家說要改善,把大家的飲水都放在那裡這是非常嚴重的所以說,我們也有署長保證,對人質也好對全台灣的飲水、白水有問題我們要去關心,以上 |
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有請劉部長請保定 |
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謝謝部長剛剛清楚的說明 宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產的暫行條例的目的那我們也支持說我的版本是說目前四年快到期了 那延長到六年也不能無中止的延長那請部長來對這個來做簡要的說明之外呢 那其實今天我排審的是預算 |
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那今年現在已經是115年的5月下旬了那對於今年度的預算現在才開始排審其實我個人也是非常的焦急因為他牽涉到非常多的這個新興計畫裡面包含1.59億 |
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的這個無人機的包含這個訓練以及桃園機場第三航廈移民署的相關的配合的預算能不能趕上交通部的這些規劃希望今天可以順利的來審議並且通過來部長請你簡單回應 |
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謝謝委員的關心尤其是無人機的部分確實沒有錯其實在過去一段時間裡面內政部所屬的相關單位包括警政或者消防單位其實已經在大量的使用無人機它對於我們在治安或者是消防安全上面的幫助非常的大那現在 |
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因為也就是新興預算需要大院審查通過才能夠使用所以我們在現在才審查有關於115年的預算的時候對我們編列無人機的採購跟操作員的相關預算確實是有影響確實是有影響所以我們很希望說在大院審查的時候可以趕快通過那尤其除了剛剛所提到跟警政消防相關之外我們還有另外一個非常重要就是我們地政司 |
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在處理有關國土或者國家地圖的部分的話也必須要運用大量的無人機才能夠將新興計畫裡面跟我們國家的整體的這個土地的管理的資訊弄得很好那同時我們在處理無人機產業的過程當中也要訓練有證照的操作員 |
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它不是一個電子遊戲好像是看起來像電子遊戲不是這個樣子所以呢所以我必須很遺憾的說這個在之前的協商裡面在野黨對於這個先行動資的718億裡面看到無人機就開槍看到無人機就要擋這件事情我感到非常的不解跟疑惑之外也讓部長可以充分的說明清楚的說明這個無人機的先行項目內容是什麼剛剛部長的說明非常清楚謝謝謝謝 部長繼續 |
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那我們現在呢在115年的這個預算裡面呢我們的無人機的經費編列雖然不多那我們預划是要採購289架的無人機來輔助做業務上面或教育訓練來使用那這個當然是非常的重要就是剛剛跟委員報告的部分在內政部裡面其實他是就在應用端 |
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那部長我請問你這289架裡面大部分會是國製嗎還是以我們在內政部不管是消防或者是警政或者是地政因為都是屬於A級的資安機構所以一定要國產以外還要加入非紅供應鏈跟非紅產業鏈這一個產業鏈來講也是非常重要非常的重要 |
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所以請在一檔不要看到無人機就開槍就擋部長先請回座謝謝我請國土署蔡署長署長今年度的預算我剛剛很清楚的看國土署減少減劣非常多你可以說明一下嗎跟委員報告那主要的部分是屬於那個污水下水道 |
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無水下水道讓地方政府做,因為財化法的關係嗎?對,因為財化法的關係,所以這個部分剪裂了一些,剪裂了不少國土管理也剪裂了不少國土管理剪裂了不少,國土管理去年度855億,今年度剩503億855億,那是國... |
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國土管理國土管理的部分那是屬於基金還有一些減劣的部分是屬於那個住宅的一些相關的基金這個部分也有減劣減劣多少減劣114億對減劣114億那會減劣到什麼會減劣到什麼會少了哪一些我們大概這個部分的減劣可能會影響到第一個租金補貼的部分會減少租金補貼部分減少怎麼辦地方政府支付嗎沒有我們今年也是有跟地方政府來去溝通就是說 |
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要按那個地方的一個配額款要去編列所以就是說內政部跟中央跟地方政府因為財化法的關係有一些補助的比例要重新調整了嘛對不對這個要大聲講要不然是沒有辦法這個等一下預算的時候會引起很多爭議接下來都市基礎工程134億減列到70億裡面關係到行人安全生活圈道路聯外道路 |
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我必須要在這邊強烈的說我們都是強烈支持當時行政院的裁劃法但是現在要重新分配之後你不能把原本 |
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這個支持的這些地方政府包含高雄市政府的包含僑科包含這些老宅延售的這些預算也減劣到高雄啊我們必須強烈的捍衛跟爭取啊你不能一次同仁的看啊這個國土署有什麼回應跟委員報告我們這個部分當然今年度會有一些地方配額款的一個差異那但是一些計畫都是延續性的 |
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那整個計畫裡面在我們在調整那個配額款的部分的比例還是會做一些斟酌也不是說全部這個計畫就完全影響到很多所以這個比例還在跟地方政府有我們都已經有跟他討論過就是那個部分我們有簽到部長這邊同意以後都有跟地方做過說明 |
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所以今年合的案件其實都有照比較新的分配比例來去做調整好那我就問你有關行人安全跟生活權道路的部分今年簡列這麼多那另外還有這個老宅延售的部分所有的委員都支持喔那這個四年的預算有沒有簡列那如果有簡列的話會簡列到哪裡哪裡可能沒有辦法執行 |
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跟委員報告像我以老宅延壽來講的話其實他整個額度都沒有變我們本來就是老宅延壽編50億嘛特別預算那我們是希望說在這個計畫裡面地方編配合款那配合款會讓整個總預算這個部分會增加 |
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老宅延壽的特性是這樣那另外就是說我們自己的這一些剛剛提到的生活圈我在問你更具體的國貿社區有沒有機會另外用一個專案來進入類似老宅延壽的一個專案有沒有在研議國貿社區的外牆脫落這個問題很久了這個議座有提到我們大概 |
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我們會有一個專案這個部分就是都市更新整建維護這個計畫我們也有在評估看怎麼樣去協助我剛剛也有看到你這個新計畫裡面有一個都市更新計畫裡面有多了50億的預算我希望來做這一個包含國貿社區的這個研議好嗎對有在研議好謝謝謝謝我們感謝吳博義召委 |
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我先請部長部長這個 |
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我們的這個地級異動啊這個即時通啊齁是這一個啊齁這個部分啊齁我們現在啊辦理人數大概是95萬人啦98.6萬98啦齁新的對好新的但呢這個啊高齡人啊好像比較少啊 |
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有沒有想說這個高齡人能不能有想辦法讓他們多去申請為什麼呢因為我們現在我們看到有一些例子就是說這個詐騙 |
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然後騙高齡人有時候自己去就是反正就被過乎被怎麼有很多的樣態如果我們這個即時通他可以通知他本人你可以通知一個他信任的人這一個雙重的保護對不對有沒有想過說讓這些中高齡人能夠多來申請這個 |
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謝謝委員的提問確實沒有錯有關於這個高風險尤其是年齡比較偏高的這個部分我們到4月底的時候呢已經攔阻197我是講不動產的這個詐騙那確實它有存在的必要那如何來協助呢我是不是請地政司長跟你回應一下 |
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謝謝委員的建議那對於高齡的部分一直是我們現在第幾...移動即時通現在推動的一個重點那老人家的部分的話因為他會有一些在地性的部分所以我們現在跟縣市政府合作是去辦在地的一個說明會那讓那個老人家這邊來做一個申請那另外一個部分的話我們也預計在下半年會推出用健保卡健保卡在線上申請這樣的話一些我們高齡者的話在家的話可能他的家人 |
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就可以直接在網路上面幫他申請那我們這個部分一直是我們主要的一個推動目標也謝謝委員的建議對啦 因為現在地面師真的太多了啦所以我覺得這一塊我們要去著重好 謝謝 |
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另外部長我們這一次我們這個自然民意登記這個暫行條例其實我在猜我們這一次延兩年應該是沒有問題但我覺得兩年後可能還會再延兩年吧這個部長會不會這樣 |
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我跟委員的看法非常相近因為坦白講我們走訪很多宮廟確實到後來都是民法上面的問題不是公法或行政法的問題那你要把它規範變成是這樣子的一個保障的話確實很難 |
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這個我們要讓全台灣人也知道啦我們這一個戰刑條例第一個沒有強制性啦是鼓勵的性質啦我們是要解決長久以來的問題啦但這個長久以來的問題呢其實也不單純只有民法的問題啦我們必須要承認就是說有很多的宮廟其實它從以前 |
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講句難聽一點的有的更早的政府都清朝時代的時候他就在那邊了結果他後來現在發現他佔用國有地這個國有地的問題其實對他們來講也很難處理因為這坦白講也不是你內政部可以單獨處理的問題對不對他有可能他也不讓售也不怎麼樣有的甚至也無法租用或什麼的我覺得這一塊 |
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應該要跨部會去解決這個問題這個問題可以解決一些我不知道部長你的看法 |
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報告委員跨部會能夠處理的包括地方政府能夠協助的其實我們都有在進行您現在所講到的就是行政系統跟司法系統不是不是不是我們司法院也有在幫忙處理這一塊這是我們現在碰到最難還有一個意願第一個就是說大部分的是產權不符規定的部分還有登記所有權人不同意的狀況那就牽涉到跟民法有關 |
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我現在只有聚焦我現在這個問題只有聚焦他有國有地公有地的問題那有時候他地幕他這個國有地他可能你這個就不能宗教寺廟使用啊對不對啊所以就卡在這裡就無法處理啦對不對那國有財產署也不敢處理啊對不對這個問題我有這樣但是那個廟講句難聽一點的比中華民國政府來台灣還更早喔 |
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所以現在最大的麻煩就是說我們沒有辦法祭出法則啦如果一般來講你祭出法則那個廟如果在國有財產的土地上面的話你可能要他拆廟那這個是大事地方上的民代也好地方政府都不太敢處理這一塊那個就是最大的麻煩部長 |
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大家都不敢去處理,這個是沒有錯啦我現在講的就是一個事實但很多有一些是卡在這裡他也不是不去辦,他會卡在這裡但講句難聽一點,這些國有地你也不可能叫他拆廟還地啊 |
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對不對那我們就沒有辦法想一個比如說我就讓你長期租約或是讓收或怎麼樣然後呢只要你廟存在一天我們就讓你使用 |
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但你如果真的有一天你廟遷走了你這個地你看要還給國家還給什麼我覺得既然我們這個是暫行條例我們也可以在暫行條例裡面我們有暫行的處置措施啊 |
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那個委員您講對了其實我們在處理的過程當中也有想說能不能用長久承租的方式其實也有這個案例但是這個案例上面他能夠承租多久還包括他的表公啦他自己本身又要繼續租下去也是一個問題啦所以他的機制都在沒有沒有 部長 |
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這個你講的是可能這個廟宮、這個廟房他可能想要去解決的他就會積極去處理但我們如果訂出一個規則來讓所有的宮廟都知道有這樣那他們就可以來處理了我覺得這是一個 |
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好 市長你說好 謝謝委員關心事實上現行制度你講重點就好了 對我們是廟方 宗教團體可以先行陳出那陳出以後他會經過國有財團局的同意有一個同意書來再做一個土地變更國有財團局不同意啦是那怎麼辦對 大部分都會同意啦沒有啊沒有啊 廟方的也說沒有啊 |
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那是個案吼就是很多都不同意所以我才說要跨部位去解決這個問題他就已經是在廟了那你也不可能做其他使用如果這個廟存在的時候我們就暫請我就是長期租用給如果你廟你要千金或什麼的你要這土地要還給國家我們就是這樣去處理這個 |
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你覺得咧?各位報告,那可能有些是涉及到我們低級的敏感地區或者水源水質保護區,可能涉及到比較的連你自己都會找一堆藉口找一堆理由了我知道這是法律的規定那你說的那些,你就叫他們要拆掉就好啦如果照你這樣,那就違法啦他們要就拆掉啦 |
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對不對我覺得法律的規定就已經是這樣沒有錯但我們今天要解決這個問題我們就是要這樣我覺得這是一個約時間的問題這是你們回去好好想一想看怎麼解決這一個另外一個還有牽扯到有一些寺廟我們在寺廟普辦登記的時候 |
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他根本不知道也沒有那個他沒有來寺廟補辦登記所以他今天他要來解決他登記的問題他也沒辦法對不對所以我覺得這個是兩個比較大的問題 |
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解決我剛剛說的用力的問題還有是不是想他如果當初他這個廟已經就是很久了他這個廟本來就存在了他那時候只是不懂法律或不懂什麼他沒有來寺廟補辦登記我們能不能讓他可以來用一個短期間讓他來補辦登記因為寺廟補辦登記的時候坦白說 |
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很多人也不知道到底要不要登記的會怎麼樣有一些這種我覺得你解決這兩個我認為可以解決目前70%所有我們要解決的問題你們回去好好想一想然後跟我報告好 謝謝委員我們會來研議謝謝張宏祿委員謝謝我們接下來請許中信委員 |
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謝謝主席 各位同仁 尤其是我們劉世鋒 劉柏中柯議員 你好柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯議員 你好 柯 |
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日本的經濟好很多是它的宗教、祭祀、文化、氣氛觀光客所以宗教對台灣來說是很大的主善但是我們台灣人不知道如何運用三星今天這個9分給本席飛翔的希望剛才我們教會中教會 |
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他說到清朝時代的廟室,我還跟他報告,我們台南的廟室甚至比荷蘭人早所以今天這個問題,這個廟的給分的問題,我們如果有辦法積極來處理,可以發展經濟,如果處理不好,變成人民給分 |
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難道我們還可以處理好事,檢視人民的給分我今天這分散的戰術,來跟國會報告這個問題神叫神也這樣,神叫人也這樣,人叫人也這樣我國人,除了立法院議員說笑話以外,我今天說兩句臭皮的故事,來補充做參考 |
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第一 新疆新街 各位我們台灣第一張廟 在我們新華 英華港 無形台大廟這是創造嘉慶二間有一個學者 我很佩服他這個地的建築 |
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高康坤要把性關掉他不來,他說要繼續做教育,就是做教育補掉、教育拒掉因為他要寫歷史,所以因為這個續修台灣限制理念,裡面講得很清楚這個新法,這個英文講,不像台大廟 |
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是荷蘭人來進行,就已經卸廟在那裡,同時我們的先民來叫大伯公子做教育所以他拜的,算是媽祖,算是慷慨的神就對了這座廟,是我們台灣第一間廟,事實上它有關公的解答 |
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他有觀光的基督他如果來搭配到新華老家有一個武漢宮新華老家這個武漢宮他拜這個武漢尊王他其實叫張巡各位都知道張巡是東條安宿集團彼生叫張巡他武漢尊王 |
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張詢他這張廟宇當時他選的民間傳一個故事說是張詢有完尊王的叫大馬槓山他的神叫虎頭神兩個小姐張詢娘因為去請北極天天上帝來幫他協助所以才設廟所以各位你如果用選擇這兩張廟宇一個是提醒說 |
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出來的保障所專訓的廟一個是荷蘭世代的廟你如果善用這兩個廟搭配到新華的觀光的資源新華的經濟會好起來但是我們不可以這樣去做我們人要先這部分我講一個趣味的故事我們現在很多人 台灣人都靠藍科在吃青藍科的三竹現在比 |
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南科的土地上面很多陰謀,就是麥沙萬聖的將軍,泰雅,坦白說頂頂的,當時要把他們遷移的廟地做南科,我們甚至15頂廟、15廟做的,大家做的在搶, |
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但是麥沙萬世將軍非常有辛辣因為他是主委整個事件清掉藍廳鎮的滅爭所滅掉的先人所以叫麥沙萬世將軍十五個要把他請起來 甚至有人跟他去請15張票去 有一張票不可以去 |
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不敢去,我們當時的鄉長跟他說,你所做的行政要去幾家就好所以還要15張廟做的去請,這樣土地這裡做藍科,我們這裡有很大機會所以這個人叫行政,現在人叫人政我們土法陸內很多都靠這個所創,在賺錢,真的很多很多廟的廟室,錢都有九分 |
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所以說我們同時呢,在一百十一年,通過這個法律,我們是要去合作民間,解讀這個九分啊,變成回來說三省九分,像我們美育所說的,說三省人民的九分,現在沒有特徵到我們過去立法的意思,所要做成他們的九分,這個法律裡面,有所問題, |
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保證你敢知道他的問題處理得對報告柯委員你對這個總告的了解跟所謂歷史的部分都非常先進但是站在我們內政部所寫的這個總告團體的戰刑條例只能用現主席有多少法律的規定 |
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來邀請這裡很多宗教團體,尤其是教廟這個部分按照我們台灣的法律規定來處理事情你現在說已經過了多久?這個法律十年了過 |
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這個廟室的舊墳更有改觀所以人的部分包括火力的引擎我們對這個宗教團體要用服務的態度我是盡量聽不一樣的意見所以剛才張召維說的重點沒法則我們今天可以用incentive |
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誘因啦 或是鼓勵 或是跟拜託 什麼好處但是我看法就是這樣 也沒有誘因所以這一點在這裏是 報告郭委員當然我們宗教團隊現在現時是有一些三款的教訓比較多 都是在廟但是不是廟 譬如說你如果是教堂 天主堂 或是其他宗教的部分這方面比較不是問題 |
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表示說我們可以處理的就像剛才委員說的可以處理的都處理到了現在是不能處理的在哪裡所以委員所說的有時候是牽涉到文化部的文化資產的部分跟未來的三頁觀光另外一種就是用地用地上面的九分我們現在先用一種方式就是說 |
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千萬要理解不要去擋住國土安全啦你如果有山坡地保育啦 有土石留著 這我們會比較強力介入啦我覺得你很積極說得對 要叫觀光局 要叫文化部合作來發展經濟 我非常佩服可以說我們責成我們的總教書 |
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對像我剛才所說的武漢宮、阿新華、北省台北廟、加東坡的觀光局、文化部合作來推測我們台南的經濟 |
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台南的宗教文化的經濟,我們要跟台南市政府來協調我想委員非常了解,現在對這結束的每一個地方的媽祖的遶境進香,事實上就是很大的產值所以台南也有一些廟可以做到,如果大家完全合作,慢慢可以解決問題 |
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對宗教來說,我們在這裡牽扯以外,也是愛好朋友的態度啦千萬不能充罰則啦,罰則下去之後,會很麻煩你可以用誘因啦,incentive我可以用盡量,盡量是,好,感謝博多感謝委員的關心好,謝謝,謝謝許中信委員,謝謝接下來我們請高金素梅委員,詢答 |
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謝謝詹委員 有請劉部長 |
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部長好今天我們要審你的預算所以我必須就去年我在審你們預算的時候提出了幾個附帶決議或者是主決議來跟你就教一下你們解決的問題沒有當時我們提了非常多的案子第一個是秘密投票不在局投票還有原鄉殯葬的議題你們是不是能夠簡短的回答一下具體改善的狀況 |
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我們有關秘密投票的部分其實我們在三個月內提出這樣的報告的時候也送到委員的辦公室那這個可能會涉及到需要有公職選罷法的規範的問題 |
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那第二個就是有關於不在籍投票的部分也是一樣我們已經就是說希望首先在適用於公民投票的部分那牽涉到公職罷免選舉罷免的部分的話目前為止尤其是在山地原鄉部落會比較困擾一點因為我們怕會影響到秘密投票的本質 |
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這兩個部分請部長也加速一下你們的進度就我的了解在投票命名的部分你們曾經承諾過我去年你們會改善但是你們一直到今年的3月你們才發文到地方上要來處理這件事情 |
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所以呢並沒有非常積極的要處理第二個就是不在即投票你們更離譜了你們給我辦公室的資料是你們所謂的進度居然是我在前年的時候召開公聽會的紀錄所以這兩個請部長一下部長了解希望不要因為今天審預算你們才這邊吵吵的應付我 |
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那麼原鄉殯葬的議題呢其實部長您一上任的時候我們就討論過了我們都知道原鄉殯葬的問題它有非常多的問題譬如說有種種的環評啊水保的問題啊所以您會記得嗎我當時就希望你們這個殯葬的問題能夠來延後 |
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新的計劃 |
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有沒有要試圖解決有關環評的部分的標準我是不是等一下請市長跟您報告但是那個委員在關心有關病障的那個相關的那個預算的部分確實沒有錯我們已經提報到行政院那目前所編列的經費 |
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大概是一億四千萬左右那如果我們地方上還碰到這種環評跟水保的問題還能不能延後我們現在有根據一百一十四年的修正的部分認定的標準我請市長跟您報告一共有四項 |
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能不能到時候提供這資料給我我很遺憾就是要審預算的時候你們才給我這個資料事實上我請內政部前幾天到我辦公室來了沒有那麼多的時間我還有其他的問題待會審預算的時候一併來告訴我好不好 |
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來 繼續 就是呢部長我們去年推動修正的地方制度法第83條之七其實目的很簡單就是在3D箱裡面它升格為直轄市我們叫做3D區我們 |
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最近確實看到是有增加比如說烏來增加了六千萬復興區增加了八千萬和平區增加了六百萬茂林區增加了一千萬桃園區增加三千萬哪麽夏增加兩千萬通通合計起來是兩億 |
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我想要在這邊請問一下部長增加的這2億是因為財政修正法修法通過還是地方制度把第83條之區修正之後給的地方的預算我是不是請市長跟您回應一下好嗎來 市長 |
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因為有關那個涉及到修法前後的 請你速度快一點好不好因為查爾領教是屬於財政部的一個全責財政部好像也有提供資料給委員這邊 |
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那針對地方在修法之後的作為我們已經請那個地方把相關這個修法之後的請問你們去監督機關對吧是我們在去今天就要審理預算了今天之前都沒有辦法提供給我我們在去年的12月已經兩度行為給地方政府在修法之後所以你意思是說地方政府不提供給你他們正在做那如果繼續 |
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對不起市長部長您聽聽看沒有道理吧這是去年已經通過的案子了然後呢我今天就要審你預算了然後你告訴我說地方政府還沒有給你資料請問我待會怎麼審你預算我是要通過你的預算呢還是要繼續凍結你的預算呢還是要做什麼組決議呢市長好請你請你不要再說明了謝謝 |
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部長 以上幾個問題你看它不是最近才發生的問題是去年省預算的時候都知道的問題好 繼續我要問一下國土署國土署裡面我們看到建築法第99條之一的園鄉建築制度性的簡化的問題請問一下各縣市進度到底怎麼樣有沒有參照我們所謂的新竹跟台中的這麼好的案例在其他的縣市也比較辦理 |
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簡短回答 謝謝那目前我們清查的部分高雄市這邊還沒有做完整的一些困難點是什麼 什麼時候會好我們有去問過 因為他們目前修法的進度就是有一些議員有意見那目前還在修正當中但是他內容比較比較沒有像新竹這麼樣的一個有彈性所以我們現在也在跟高雄市政府在溝通是不是比照那個新竹好 什麼時候能夠溝通今天要審理預算了 |
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我們其實那一天就有跟他溝通了我們有跟高雄市政府公務局長溝通已經有溝通了那因為他還要再送議會還有相關的程序部長以前陳居是高雄市政府的副市長那如果你這裡公務不了是不是請我們的部長能夠去溝通一下好不好好 謝謝最後我要關心的是都會區原住民的居住權 |
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也是今年住宅法已經修正的時候呢我有提出一個附帶決議當時我要求國土署跟園民會你們一定要協商來參照這個參見的方式換取一定的提高的比例來給原住民的成住戶其實簡單一講起來就是我們的社宅應該要有更多的原住民戶數請問一下部長你們有按照我的附帶決議來進行嗎 |
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好謝謝跟委員報告這個部分有照那個委員的這個要求我們有跟那個原民會等等的開過會那這個目前也有照計畫原民會他也有要規劃參見哪一些地方那目前有哪幾個地方桃園跟新北已經有一個有一些案件要參見所以您的意思說桃園跟新北這兩個這個只要是他都有提出計畫是不是 |
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就是經過園民會這邊評估是園民會評估的對這兩個地方你知道為什麼園民會評估這兩個地方嗎我們提供這個位置給園民會評估好那您知道桃園市政府呢桃園市是現在全台灣最高比例的原住民的人口數您知道嗎 |
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不知道那您知道現在我現在提醒您如果原民會他提供了這兩個本席的建議應該以原住民人口數最多的地方這是第一點第二點應該要以這個縣市政府的首長或者是議員他們有沒有積極的配合如果原民會一直提這兩個這兩個都沒有積極配合或者是桃園市比較積極配合但是原民會不想有沒有可能就不願意了呢有沒有可能這樣子呢 |
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我們這個部分在整個那個住宅政策裡面還是會盡量去協助溝通好不好我希望我們真的希望有幾個原則性第一個就是原住民人口數最多的因為這畢竟是解決都會原住民的住的問題對吧第二個就是要以這個縣市政府他到底他的積極度如何 |
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那如果就我目前了解桃園市政府的議員桃園市政府他也非常願意積極配合所以呢我們是不是一起可以派會談我們去看看如果大家都認為都可以的話我們就趕快讓這件事情上路好嗎 |
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好 謝謝今天要審你們預算希望待會在審預算的時候能夠好好的把一些數據提供給我我希望審預算之前能夠解決要不然我又要等明年了我們的族人的權益不能夠等到明年尤其是部長尤其是殯葬事業我們往生者他不能夠永遠沒有地方讓他安息啊對吧好 謝謝 |
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謝謝高進素美委員丁薛忠委員改書面報告質詢接下來我們請黃婕委員進行詢答好謝謝主席我們請部長 |
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首先想要跟您請教一下最近這個因為想說部長來了要請教一下最近很常發生的這個獨駕的事情因為其實這幾年獨駕的趨勢確實是在攀升雖然我們我這邊提供一個數據就是這幾年其實因為在內政部算是很努力在推廣說這個酒駕應該要零容忍所以其實這幾年酒駕的案件的數量是不斷的下降喔那 |
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去年前年是四萬八千多件那去年剩下四萬兩千多件有些微下降那大家也是要努力可是獨家的案件量在2024年是兩千六百件但是去年暴增到八千六百件增加了三倍之多那我覺得這個數量非常的可怕而且這最近其實看到各縣市都有相關的案件在不斷的發生甚至是有死傷 |
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有很多無辜的民眾因此造成了家庭的悲劇那我相信社會大眾看了也都很憤怒到底為什麼獨家的案件量不斷的在增加到底發生了什麼事情那有沒有更有效的方式可以遏止這樣的情形發生那其實上上週我看交通部有出來說明 |
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那這個交通部的陳世凱部長他有公開的表示說他覺得獨駕的刑責可以收得更重那甚至他提到說可以做到連坐處罰他說他要跟內政部來討論包括說不只是駕駛連乘客都要連坐罰 |
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那他也認為說因為吸毒本身就有罪所以應該要罰的比酒駕更重那這是他目前的立場那我想問的是第一個交通部有找內政部溝通過了嗎第二個你們現在溝通的進度到哪裡 |
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報告委員交通部跟那個內政部確實是有頻繁在溝通我們現在所提出來的這個道交條例裡面要針對酒駕的部分不管是在飯刑本身的那個量刑裁量要加重以外那個有連做的處分那這個部分呢在我們的這個警政署尤其是負責交通的部分都有做很好的溝通在原則上我們都贊成那要送到立法院來審查但是呢我們有考慮到說我也跟著這個陳士凱部長提 |
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獨駕本身跟酒駕不能夠同樣來看待第一個因為酒駕呢你在這個在取締的過程當中你會馬上做這個酒精的測試但是獨駕呢他一拿到方向盤就不對了因為他是吸毒 |
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所以呢我們希望能夠採取預防性的方式來處理那我們也非常謝謝就是我們的司法檢調單位根據這個目前為止已經有採取一個叫預防性羈押就知道他這個人他是屬於毒販我們可能就不要讓他碰方向盤那這個呢跟交通部要協調交通部認為說要有駕駛 |
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這樣的行為的時候我才能夠去採取取締啦或者其他的措施那我們現在想要看看就是如果有吸毒的人他這個人口本來就是我們的治安一律人口的狀況之下更何況吸毒的人呢他的意識沒有辦法專注在交通尤其是處理交通安全 |
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所以可以看到如果有獨駕發生很多交通事故的話都是非常嚴重造成很多的傷亡可不可以用這樣的方式啊讓他入法那陳市長陳部長陳世凱部長呢會覺得說可以商量 |
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那這會牽涉到說這個有吸毒人本身他有沒有這個駕駛的這個權利那這個要商量但是我們也非常謝謝法務部已經把這個刑事訴訟法的預防性羈押把它放到裡面去那至於剛剛我們所說的這個115年的5月11號呢這個修法研商會議呢跟交通部已經在提剛剛那個委員所提到的獨駕跟同車這個乘客的連坐處罰已經在研議當中會盡快送到立法院來審議 |
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好 謝謝部長非常詳細的報告那當然這個吸毒的人本身有沒有駕駛權這件事情我覺得是可以有一個討論但是我認為最根本的源頭還是說吸毒的這一群人我相信衛福部都有掌握那我想拜託的是內政部跟交通部還要再加上衛福部這裡到底為什麼這一群是吸毒的人口變多了嗎 |
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還是說這群人上路的危險性是不是應該要跟你們一起來研商怎麼要讓從源頭來開始去解決這個吸毒的問題我相信這才是最重要的而不是看著毒價的人不斷的上路不斷的案件增加 |
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好這個要拜託接下來這個內政部的很重要的工作那另外一件事情是這個真恐頭拍的問題因為最近其實我有看到說就是衛福部其實有簽第一時間出來把這個醫療機構相關的空間規範寫得很清楚就是說是公共空間的可以架設正常的監視器但是如果是一般的問診間那也要取得民眾的同意 |
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那至於說高度的隱私空間是絕對禁止錄影拍照的那我認為這個原則算是蠻清楚的那後來其實卓院長在院會上面有明確要求說應該要立刻展開共同的稽查那所以我想問的是說目前掌握的狀況是警政署已經跟各地的警察局都已經合作了嗎現在在進行聯合稽查了嗎那有沒有初步的結果以及接下來預防的方向 |
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報告委員今天警政署沒有排進來但是相關的方向確實沒有錯在上個禮拜的這個行政院的院本部的那個報告之後其實警政署已經有下令各地方的警察局要趕快做聯合稽查那既然講到聯合稽查其實警政署或者警察的同仁他是負責有違規違法 |
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目的事業主管機關分散成不同地方包括診所裡面是負責衛福部那如果你是健身房或者是其他的運動中心因為牽涉到要洗澡的部分的話就是要運動部那還有公共場所也會有所以其實牽涉到交通部也好或者是運動部也好或者是衛福部還是相當的多 |
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那這些都是我們必須要處理聯合稽查的對象那我相信我們各地的警察同仁在做聯合稽查方面已經在做處理但是目前為止還沒有數據因為一個禮拜之內啦能夠完成全市或是全台灣的確實沒有那麼快我們要過一段時間內會跟委員做一個詳細的報告 |
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好我在這邊想要拜託部長的是稽查當然這個一定要稽查但是因為這個隱私空間不只是醫美診所其實很多的旅館 飯店 健身房甚至是游泳池這種可以有高度隱私空間的地方其實蠻多的所以我希望的是未來還是要有訂定相關的原則讓地方這些讓民眾知道說 |
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有些地方就是絕對不能有攝影機然後有一些地方是公共場所但是也是要經過民眾同意才可以進行拍攝這樣的原則要非常的清楚而不是讓這些不肖人士有機可乘 |
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好這個要拜託部長那最後一個關於預算的事情啊我要再請國土署再跟我們回報就是因為我有看到預算裡面有一個是說2024年我們人行道未達淨寬標準的比例是20%可是2025未達標準的比例卻提升了到36%也就是說我們未達淨寬標準的人行道是變高了還是怎麼樣這個要請 |
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請那個國土署給我一個說明那這個可以要不要等一下我們審預算的時候因為我也有相關的提案就直接在預算審查的時候告訴我為什麼原因以及接下來處理的方式好嗎好跟委員報告我們這個部分我們再檢查一下好謝謝謝謝黃婕委員接下來我們請林倩琦委員林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在我們請鄭天才委員進行詢問謝謝 |
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主席有請部長部長好所有的官員辛苦了今天先談這個宗教團體以自然的名義登記不動產處理戰刑條例這個111年6月8日公布施行 |
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在當時啊本席又提出這個條文的制定整個法律的條文的制定當時本席所提出的是五年五年當時沒有被採納兩年前快的就過去了所以113年8月7號修正又增加兩年那今天 |
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本席也有提出來再增加兩年六年當然到底要增加多久時間這個審查的時候我們大家可以再討論之所以會一直延剛才部長也有提到這個可能還會再延六年可能還會再延關鍵關鍵就是第六條 |
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本席當初啊114年4月15號所提的提案我有增加了這個這條條文第四條第四條條文的增加第二項第三項前項是不動產為耕地所以耕地的部分或是原住民保留地或是農舍 |
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用地的會受到這些限制所以應該要增加一個這樣的規定所以我先請這個內政部對於因為已經實施快四年了要滿四年了嘛所以你們應該去檢視去檢視到底有哪些 |
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那原因是無法登記無法以這個戰刑條例來完成登記我認為這個是其中之一啦所以你們要去檢視去檢討不是只有一直延兩年延兩年延兩年再延兩年而是要去檢視現行的這些法律 |
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條文有什麼樣需要去調所以這樣那個包括好包括這個第六條這項的第六款這項的第六款是一個關鍵的也是關鍵這不動產登記名義人或其前提繼承人同意書要檢附而且人數要有 |
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因已共有人的二分之一超過二分之一當初本席這條條款是沒有列這項我認為這很需要討論需要討論而且不應該要這麼的嚴格這個也是要去內政部你要去檢視過去沒有辦法通過的是不是包含這個所以這個部分必須要去做修正 |
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不然會一直兩年兩年兩年會一直一直兩年這個就是一個第六條是一個關鍵的條文這個部長可以嗎 |
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我們今天的修正條文是以第五條跟第七條為主那第六條的部分呢因為我們在審視過去的一個戰刑條例的處理上面我們認為在這一次的修法裡面可能不要去修正會比較好 |
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我知道這次沒有也不會修啊這次不會修啊為什麼因為並沒有這條修正條我的本意是請內政部就過去已經提出來的沒有辦法通過的你們要跟地方政府因為你們不是直接受理的機關嘛你們要跟地方政府討提出提出是什麼原因是什麼原因 |
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這個再舉例子剛才部長有答覆的時候跟其他委員答覆的時候有提到相關會有那個民法的規定土地法的規定對不對但是我們定的是 |
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也是法例可以法例明定不受民法的規定不受土地法的規定之限制我就舉例子時間的關係譬如說原住民身份法第六條不受民法第1059條第一項第四項第1078條第一項第二項即姓名條例第一條第二項規定之限制可以不受 |
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這種法例的制定很多案例這個遺產及正義稅法第34條也有非常多不受民法規定之限制非常多的法例都是這樣寫都是這樣寫所以這個部分要請這個內政部跟地方機關去好好的去檢視這個第六條應該要怎麼去修正 |
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可以嗎我是不是請市長跟您回應一下好不好好 謝謝委員關心那事實上我們跟地方州已經有一個保持一個密切的聯繫針對個案的 剛才委員有特別提到個案有問題的譬如說他要出出證明沒辦法全部檢舉的我們要針對個案來個別輔導這是我們目前要搞上機器來輔導的 |
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我現在要請內政部的從個案去檢討然後成為通案成為通案要修法該修的法律就要修我們會來研議對謝謝謝謝鄭天才委員接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員進行詢答 |
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主席、站長委員、先進、列席政府、集團長、官員、會長、公共夥伴、記者媒體、女士先生有請劉部長還有綜合規劃司、地政司、宗教理智司、合作及人民團理事及資訊服務司的這五位司長旁邊協助 |
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好 總委好董事長你好剛才聽到你剛才召集中心委員的這陣子我就回想到過去我們社會很久之前你在主持M工廠不是國台語雙聲帶呢英語也說得這麼辣辣的是不是這樣不會啊不會啊 我是英語不好啦不然就跟英文教授來講一下所以你應該從小學念書注音就很好囉來 說到注音很好的梗以前有一個大使叫做謝志偉 |
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有人問說謝智偉啊你怎麼會到這個地方來謝智偉說呢2000年阿扁當選總統打電話給他劈頭就問謝教授你駐英好不好他說馬馬虎虎啦我德語講得比較好所以呢他沒有派到英國他派到德國駐英好不好看到沒有那像我呢我叫鍾嘉賓有人跟我說老天搞的啦嘉賓去賣手搖飲醉你有什麼原因嗎因為嘉賓不加價 |
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那我們看到這個這個圖這是什麼你知道嗎這個圖四四方方的就是我們部長啊劉四方那個呢那是師長啦那不要用黑色的對不要用黑色用綠色叫劉立芳我發現了我們內政部很有趣喔我們知道有一個叫林志玲對不對林志玲嘛這個跟那個林志玲沒有關係如果是第二行叫做林佳玲嘛請問部長如果是第三行怎麼唸 |
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有確定姓林嗎後面那位叫做林家鎮就是我們的師長今天我一開始玩這個諧音梗這個圖形梗叫他問說當我們宗教團體用自然的名義登記不動產會出現什麼問題呢比如說宗家兵跟宗家兵分別在三三國王廟登記了廟產請問這個宗家兵跟那個宗家兵是不是同一個人 |
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又或者說有個叫做溫生蠔又有個溫生蠔也登記了一個廟產請問這溫生蠔跟溫生蠔是同一個好 問一個你比較認識的請問這個曹啟宏跟那個曹啟宏是不是同一個怎麼辦 |
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很簡單啊 看新聞就知道對不對所以我們因為中文字有很多的筆劃很多的同樣的字的意涵用在人的名字上可能會有偏誤但是用身份證字號會不會出錯不會嘛 來我們現在不動產登記地政司司長剛好是我們的林佳正來 我們目前地政制有沒有全國的總規務 |
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有 怎麼查土地整理 報告委員如果是治安人我們就用國民身份證的土地編號如果是法人就是用稅籍的編號用稅籍編號 那也可以用地號跟編號去查啦好 謝謝林佳珍市長 來所以呢 我們今天要確定一併土地不動產有很便利的工具可以使用 來往下看現在問題來了啊 媒體在報導啊有推 政府會推很多補助方案啊但是有民間團體利用公益活動詐領補助款 怎麼樣他怎麼詐領你知道嗎 |
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那我告訴你 比如說我們現在看 |
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因為呢我們一個團體的名稱譬如說屏東科技產業園區廠商協會他如果到部會去申請呢可能登打的時候呢不見得全部到全選喔他有的登記之後屏東產業園區廠協會有的寫屏東科技園區廠商協會所以呢當我們內政部收到這個申請或者說台電或者中油我們都知道台電中油他有受理我們民意代表幫民眾去團體協助他都會公告 |
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如果團體的名稱稍微登打的時候不一樣會不會跑出就不同團體會不會跟委員報告這個是有可能性好有可能性來部長來跟你請教一下所以說我們中央政府內政部主管人民團體對不對人民團體登記立案的時候是不是登記他的權嫌他跟中央政府或跟地方政府或跟其他的政府機關他是不是使用權嫌我們不太容易判斷所以我建議部長往下看 |
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有人說這個盧比歐跟盧比歐是不是同一個 部長盧比歐改了姓對中共來講就不同人了喔阿如果說盧比歐跟盧比歐分別跟我們那支部申請經費他到底是不是同一個人 有沒有申請重複阿 |
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他如果有身份證來給我們看一下沒問題我比我還不信他沒有台灣的身份證來我們來看一下內政部、教育部或地方政府如果同一個人民團體他利用這個漏洞中文上的起義去一魚多吃或者說用殭屍團體你看我成立三個殭屍團體 |
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台灣中嘉賓 中嘉賓台灣 台灣就兩個台字 還寫TW中嘉賓你也搞不清楚是不是同一個團體啊 對不對所以怎麼辦呢 往下看 來編碼啦 是不是我們團體成立之後不是只發給他一個團體的名稱章通知給他一個編碼立案可不可以每一個人民團體都給他一個編碼 |
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這樣的話呢 我們有數據資料庫 也可以防止什麼一鍵就輸入啊 你知道嗎單單是人民團體的名字熱熱等齁我用編碼一下子處理 是馬上就可以處理了部長簡單的講一下是不是就變於跨機關勾機 也不受文字誤差的影響我們在內政部本來就有做這樣的編碼可是沒有全國嘛 |
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其他的部會有沒有做這樣的編碼給大家查一下所以內政部要帶頭不是只有中央做地方也要做那請預算多編一點給我們因為我們真的是沒有辦法處理那麼多大部會的業務的部分我們甚至要在行政規則上呢將政府受理人民團體登記立案的相關辦法當中加上不管是中央或地方過程中增加一個編碼可不可以我們預算多編一點可以嗎往下一頁 |
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那如果有的編碼之後呢就可以怎樣防止捕捉蟑螂嘛資源分配更有效率用在刀口上嘛是不是這樣子 |
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部長你可以用 你能說台中營業 我都接受來 市長是 各位委員報告一下內政部所管的所有的團體我們在人民數位櫃檯都可以查得到所以在報本身全國性的團體都沒有問題那地方政府的部分我們確實也有注意到這個問題所以我們今年的八月的聯興匯報這個是最重要的議題之一那怎麼做 你們怎麼做我們希望把我們的系統可以分享給他們使用我再跟你講一下 |
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你還是不要用中文你給他一個編碼就不用重複登打是不是這樣 你們就不用用編碼處理我們有編碼 我們目前就有編碼全國性的編碼 往下看 來所以他可以簡化流程 你不用重複登打你可以出審 複審 撥款 沒有問題各部會規格一致也不用只要擔心當事人自行申報也避免重複造冊造成公務人員負責這個難以查核最後的結論來 請來 部長請回答 |
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可以研究將人民團體數位編碼的可行性一個提出數位報告可以嗎可以沒有問題部長可以嗎可以可以啦齁好那同時呢也不是完全是你啦齁是不是我們來研議建立啊行政院建立一個全國人民團體補助的介入資料庫 |
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因為如果編碼我們要擔心懷疑哪個人民團體得到特別多的補助我們這個方式可以嗎下面的全國補助揭露資料庫的部分是主計總署在負責沒關係如果你們願意我請主計總署配合你們內政部來辦你可以嗎他們本來就有啦沒有因為他們如果沒有編碼的話那個資料庫人家看不懂了解我懂我懂就是編碼要把它放到裡面去我們來跟主計總署合作謝謝我們是市方不是政方部長謝謝 |
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謝謝宗教兵委員接下來我們請徐欣盈委員先詢答謝謝本席有請劉部長 |
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今天要跟部長來討論一下我們這個地方行政機關組織準則那我想部長應該了解我們新竹縣有許多的鄉鎮市它都是人口快速成長的目前全國第一大縣轄市是竹北市在新竹縣 |
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全國第一大鄉是虎口鄉在新竹縣全國第一大鎮是竹東鎮也在新竹縣所以我們這個地方的行政機關組織準則它當初的這個公職人員的編制是用87年當時的人口在編那 |
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本席首先請問在我們地方行政機關組織準則的原額邏輯有沒有充分反映以下幾個指標第一個人口成長率第二個白天的人口第三個這個科技園區的通勤人口第四個建設案的件量 |
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建設案件量還有社福以及托育的需求公共設施面積以及道路的里程陳情案件量災害防救與都市安全壓力本席提這八個 部長請問這些指標有沒有納入在這個地方行政機關組織準則的原額邏輯中 |
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報告委員委員雖然提到說上一次啊我們提出這個準則的部分是在民國87年就表示說經過那麼多年之後我們的滾動檢討對滾動的檢討跟原則配置的合理啊出現狀況那既然出現 |
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委員的問題非常的好所以我們內部有做非常多的討論的空間那我直接先跟委員報告一下就是目前不只是新竹縣還包括新竹市有這樣的狀況那現在在行政院控管的員額上面新竹縣的可運用的員額數已經滿了 |
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那新竹市還有25人的空間那未來如果要修正這樣子的元額數的話我們還必須跟行政院的人事總處來做商量那但是委員所提到說那我們要修正地方行政機關的組織準則 |
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要把相關剛剛所講的這個變數放到裡面去的話那就全台灣的22個縣市或者是說六都以外的這個16個縣市都要一起來討論那這個就會牽涉到說有些人口呢它是增加的但是有些人口呢是下降的那我們就會碰到一個難題人口增加你要往上請增援額大概不是困難 |
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但是人口下降你要把它減原額那就會是很大的困擾所以如果說委員有提到說我們必須要把這個整個的這個組織準則原額重新再規定的話把所有的現在的變數都放到裡面去包括您所說的可能有流動人口的部分的話確實就會碰到有相 |
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當多包括可能新竹縣旁邊的一些縣市啊他們的組織員額裡面的員額運用數就會有出現下修的這個可能性這是我們現在碰到比較大的困擾我了解非常好也謝謝部長有在關心所以我相信中央也發現了一個快速成長的科技城市呢它被塞在一個過時的線匣式的編制裡 |
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所以部長剛剛也提到了它的困難所以本席也在這邊也特別提出我們中央其實也可以考慮建立一個快速成長的縣轄市特別治理機制也就是說剛剛部長講到了 |
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我的人口減少 我的原額 我可能很難幫你減少但是現在我們全國可能新竹縣市之外 我相信也有可能有一些縣市它現在正在開發中 未來也會面臨所以我們是不是有可能可以來建立一個快速成長城市的專案機制 |
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這一塊我們也要懇請這個內政部因為主管機關我們能夠把這個專案機制來研擬看是不是可以來建立這個那本席在這裡也特別的建議就是說包含四類的加權第一個是人口快速成長型那我們就要給他基本的行政原額第二個都會核心型我們可能要納入白天的人口產業的活動還有通勤的人口 |
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第三個就是建設高壓型能夠納入這個建造公共工程道路公園公共設施它的維護量那第四個就是設服高需求型能夠納入托育長照兒少社會救助以及家庭服務需求等等所以這個部分是不是可以請內政部看是不是三個月或六個月內呢可以有一個初步的評估可以嗎 |
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是不是給我們比較多的時間您所說的就是要往上傾增員額的部分這是一個快速成長城市的一個特別機制那你一定要傾增員額其實都不會太大的困擾我們現在比較大的困擾就是說有的人會提出那偏鄉怎麼辦那這個就是變成有城鄉差距的問題因為我們一旦提出這個改變的時候其實 |
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要在同一個縣市有共識都不是很強我譬如說您現在提到了竹北竹東但是我就考慮到還有尖石鄉那所以這個部分確實要好好來參照也就是鄉鎮市跟縣市它是針對 |
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這個快速成長就譬如說人口或是他的一些剛剛我講的有快速成長但是也有快速負成長那所以我要跟您提到的就是未來我們可能要考慮的說我們是不是要先訂個下限 |
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坦白講冰箱地區流失的非常的嚴重那但是在您所說的就是幾個特別有因為產業發展急劇成長的這個縣市的部分有沒有其他容納的空間啊不是只有傾徵公務人員還有包括您所說的公務預算或者是其他的交通建設的預算原額跟財源要一併處理沒有只有原額那就不會是只有組織準則 |
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因為它畢竟只是一個準則還有裁員的問題對 組織準則的部分那這個未來還有地方制度上面需要考量的空間所以是不是給我們多一點時間來研議好 那你們看要多久大概定個半年不行那就十個月 |
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可以嗎 到明年我們市長說到明年差不多十個月就到明年 現在已經五月了我們一起來跟縣市地方政府來考量好嗎好 所以我想 對啦城市已經長大了 我們制度不能夠還在裝睡所以我也很開心 我們部裡面非常重視所以這一塊包括員額 包括裁員我們希望可以一併考量 |
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那最後我跟主席再要大概一分鐘我要特別針對社會住宅的部分那首先本席要在這裡表達我們絕對支持社會住宅但是要請部長還有我們的這個住都中心我們也要特別了解我們支持社會住宅但是不代表任何地點都適合興建 |
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那所以不是要不要蓋這個問題而已有的地方是遇到適不適合蓋所以本席在這個大概一兩個禮拜前我參加了我們住都中心召開的新竹縣虎口鄉竹久安居社會住宅興建計畫的研商會議 |
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我特別特別表達我們中央要蓋我們當然是很開心但是選的點他不適合結果我們在地的村長代表議員鄉長這個大家都跳腳啊 為什麼 |
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我本席在這邊很快的要表達第一個交通問題你選的那個點交通問題已經非常嚴重了所以本身還沒有蓋社會住宅那邊就已經飽和而且呢怨聲這個 |
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反正月升再到地方也一直想辦法要積極地去改善但沒有改善的時候如果再導入大量居住的人口跟車流那絕對不會是一個好的居住環境第二個 地質安全不能賭那一個地方 |
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我們在地的都知道它是地質敏感帶過去也有大規模的崩塌記錄這個在台大地質研究所的論文中都有所以這一塊我們也要懇請要審慎評估第三個就是基礎建設 |
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這個我們中央選的這個社宅的點供水的部分水壓一直不足那這個垃圾處理上呢在現況上也整個處理能量也趨於飽和加上醫療、警消、教育資源整個承載不足所以人口如果大量移入整個地方是沒有準備好的那最後呢我們湖口的鄉長也特別講 |
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這個區域分配我們湖口鄉已經配合中央政策推動了新湖好市以及例行段開發案已經一個鄉配合了兩處的社會住宅那這個第三處引起很大的爭議所以本席特別要在這裡我們支持社會住宅但是我們希望對這個點的 |
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這個選擇我們還是要特別的重視所以我看部長還是請我們這個董事長來謝謝委員關心這個案子本來起心動念因為那個寧園是一個長照的一個設施本來是搭配寧園的改建 |
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還有向周邊的國土地一併來規劃那本來是希望透過引進出餐的方式來改善這個長照設施同時來蓋社會住宅那當然如果委員跟在地的里長有這方面的擔憂 |
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那我們就先再好好地檢討一下我想在會議中大家反映了很多點很多點你們一定要重視不只是住宅因為還有高齡者的照護的需求那如果說在地有這樣子的意見我想我們會往後退我們再看看後續怎麼樣子的討論我們再來檢討是不是要繼續走還是要撤案 |
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好啊 謝謝喔 我想還是要審慎評估好 謝謝好 謝謝許新穎委員接下來葉元之委員 葉元之委員 葉元之委員不在 |
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登記質詢委員除不在場者其餘均與質詢完畢詢答結束委員丁學忠所提的書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報書面質詢和為及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會跟委員會報告我們先休息五分鐘中午不休息繼續開會謝謝 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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请勿模仿 |
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好那我們開會齁謝謝各位委員我們是不是先協商法案或者是預算,遵循大家的意見法案我們就先處理法案,好謝謝法案先處理報告委員會現在進行法案審查,請宣讀討論事項及所有條文 |
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第五條委員王美惠等17人提案將4年內修正為一定期限內並增訂第二項前項所稱一定期限授權內政部定之其餘同線型條文委員李博義等17人提案委員鄭天才等17人提案修正為6年內其餘同線型條文委員吳麗華等16人提案修正為3年內其餘同線型條文 |
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委員徐玉珍等19人提案修正為5年內其餘同線型條文第7條委員武麗華等16人提案將3個月內補正修正為1年內補正其餘同線型條文宣讀完畢好現在進行協商 |
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那還是就簡單表達一下這樣好不好然後讓行政院 讓內政部這邊來看方向算比較一致 |
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主要是大家方向上比較一致那有沒有委員要發表好 王美惠委員 謝謝就是在這裡我覺得我跟我們的董事會版本不太一樣 |
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因為不想改變是覺得太寬厚內政部定定的期限例如是內政部以以前實際的執行的單位在這一點已經可以實施4年了來補以前實際的運作問題就對了我認為內政部來改革期限 |
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但是可以表明未來的問題不解決的 再次修法的問題所以這條條例 暫時條例 我覺得最壞就是習慣了最後還是回歸於民法跟相關的法定去 |
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改革本身是希望說這條會存在的期間是讓政府可以主動跟自己去協助民眾改革的問題這是最要緊因為我覺得在剛才的質詢的時候我告訴普通說好處理的已經都處理了 |
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現在就是更困難的問題保庭的單位也很重要說實在的問題出在哪裡?以上好 謝謝曾天才委員 謝謝 |
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本席的修正條文是再延兩年也就是六年最主要就是固然這個網美會委員所提的也很有道理但是透過這個明定兩年 |
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就是延兩年就是六年這個會對這個內政部包括地方政府有這樣的一個積極性的去處理不然的話如果授權的話會 |
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反正就是反正自己決定要不要演會這個積極性尤其是地方政府另外就是說也讓內政部地方政府實際的去了解實際的問題我認為實際的問題就在第六條嘛 |
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因為今天並沒有第六條修正條文也就是向我諮詢的請內政部跟地方政府好好地去了解第六條修正的必要性所以我還是建議就是再延兩年 就是六年謝謝好 謝謝 有沒有其他不同意見 |
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我覺得這個大家都沒意見啦就直接修正通過好了好那我我收容一下齁剛網美會委員其實他原本的版本是一定期限他現在可以讓內政部來訂定齁那有其他委員包含我是希望就是說本條例實施起六年內向主管機關申請權力歸屬審任預期不受理的意思是我也不希望無限期延長啦 |
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那當然也有可能就是說兩年之後我們要再來做一次討論那我也覺得沒有關係我們就兩年之後再來討論那請內政部如果沒有意見的話我們是不是就依照這個版本六年這個版本來通過 |
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謝謝各位委員我想我們還是謝謝委員的支持那朝著六年來處理的話我們還是有同意啦好不好就不要放寬到一定的時限那第五條的部分我們就依照我的版本依照李博義及鄭天才委員提案通過好不好 |
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好 謝謝好 黃美惠委員不好意思 我要補充一下我的意思不是說日本款很花我的意思是說問題存在的補充在那裡像我們剛才這年才劉醫講的跟主席講的說我們也要讓它有壓力那我就是說我的提案是我們也不補充 你們覺得說兩檔我們就 |
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兩檔這樣不是說一定要說要十檔、要六檔、要幾檔是一不中他們的做法應該知道問題出一台跟我也認同說我們也是要有壓力跟有發動作出選擇來依充好謝謝王美惠委員的補充那第五條就照這個提案通過那接下來 |
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第七條的部分因為提案委員不在那請內政部來發表謝謝不在就不要處理了那就維持線條文那我們這個宗教團體以自然人民義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條修正條文修正草案一 |
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剛才宣告的協商結論通過請問有無異議沒有沒有異議做以下決議討論事項第九案至第十三案宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案均已審查完均是否今需黨團協商不用好不用黨團協商就這裡嗎 |
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上列法案於院會討論時由本席做補充說明審查通過的條文條次引述條文部分文字及相關法制用與授權主席及議事人員整理本次修正條文行政機關如有補充立法說明會後請盡速送至內政委員會以納入審查報告 |
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接下來我們處理預算那法案有關的部會可以先離席 |
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現在開始審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部部分等8案請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後再行協商謝謝 |
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一百一十五年度內政部稅務預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第六十七項內政部一百七十八萬六千元第三款歸備收入第五十四項內政部六千三百五十萬四千元第四款財產收入第七十六項內政部七千兩百六十七萬三千元第七款其他收入第七十五項內政部一億五千一百二十九萬三千元 |
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內政部稅出部分第七款內政部主管第一項內政部一百三十三億兩千七百八十八萬四千元第一幕一般行政二十九億八千零三十八萬元第二幕民政及宗教理事業務三十八億零七百六十六萬一千元第三幕副政業務五千六百四十六萬兩千元第四幕地政業務四億八千一百九十二萬一千元 |
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第五目土地測量7億8,052萬9千元第六目土地開發1,498萬7千元第七目議政業務41億9,470萬4千元第八目內政資訊業務7億5,936萬6千元第九目一般建築及設備無劣數第十目一般預備金2,700萬元第十一目社會行政業務2億2,487萬4千元 |
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10769.506 |
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10776.377 |
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第二十七款增加市集限制勝負第二項一般性補助款內政部主管無預兩千兩百六十四萬四千元 |
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國土管理所及所屬稅入第二款房款及平常收入第68項國土管理所及所屬1億2,843萬元第三款歸備收入第55項國土管理所及所屬5,713萬5千元第四款產產收入第77項國土管理所及所屬2,742萬1千元第七款其他收入第76項國土管理所及所屬2億0272萬8千元 |
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國土管理署級所屬稅出部分第七款內政部主管第二項國土管理署級所屬503億477萬元 |
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10815.342 |
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10824.247 |
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非營業特種基金101億283萬2千元第二幕一般行政11億6千7百6千元第三幕國土管理業務291億9千7千261萬2千元第四幕區域及都市規劃業務716萬4千元應用幕一般預備金251萬7千元第七幕都市基礎工程業務70億 |
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10839.995 |
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九千四百零千萬兩千元第八目下水道管理業務二十八億一千八百五十七萬幾千元第二十七款職家私籍縣政府第二項一般性補助款內政部主管一百八十四億八千四百八千五百四十五萬兩千元國家公園署及所屬第二款 |
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10860.778 |
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罰款及賠償收入第七十二項國家公園暑期所屬四百四十萬四千元第三款歸費收入第五十九項國家公園暑期所屬五千零八十九萬一千元第四款財產收入第八十一項國家公園暑期所屬六千五百六十二萬五千元第七款其他收入第八十項國家公園暑期所屬九百八十三萬八千元 |
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10883.91 |
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最初部分第七款內政部主管第六項國家公園所及所屬第一幕一般行政八億三千三百二十一萬六千元第二幕國家公園業務兩億八千四百一十八萬三千元第三幕國家公園經營管理三十一億五千一百二十二萬九千元第四幕地域北京五十萬元第二十七款職家市及縣市政府第二項一般性補助款內政部主管一千四百萬元 |
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10913.052 |
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10929.672 |
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建築研究所稅入部分第二款罰款及平常收入第74項建築研究所無劣數第三款貴費收入第61項建築研究所2881萬5千元第四款財產收入第83項建築研究所14萬8千元第七款其他收入第82項 |
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10931.354 |
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10953.226 |
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建築研究所221,000元稅出部分第七款內政部主管第八項建築研究所11億4261萬9千元第一幕一般行政912萬3千元第二幕建築研究業務10億4331萬6千元第三幕第一預備金18萬元作業基金內政部主管營建建設基金 |
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10954.685 |
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10967.349 |
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一、業務計畫部分因依據省拿國有尊重調整二、業務收支部分業務總收入487億2,535萬7千元業務總支出602億8,435萬5千元本期攬出115億5,899萬8千元結繳公庫進額轉投資計畫部分及公庫聲波基金額均無劣數固定資產之建設改良擴充2,562萬4千元補辦預算額58萬1千元 |
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11000.783 |
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內政部主管實施平均地權基金賦予單位預算業務計劃部分因依據審查結果隨從調整業務收支部分業務總收入5,116萬4千元業務總支出1,401萬元本期剩餘3,711萬4千元結繳公庫金額轉投資計劃部分固定資產之建設改良擴充及補辦預算部分均無劣數公庫增波計金額2,417萬元內政部主管研發及產業迅除替代役基金 |
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11029.11 |
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業務計劃部分依依據審查結果成功調整基金來源3億1553萬5千元基金用途3億7千萬9千元本期短促5千4百4千4千元結繳公務及補貫預算均無劣數 |
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11030.311 |
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11039.999 |
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內政部主管國土永續發展基金附屬單位預算業務計劃部分依依據審查結果隨從調整基金來源101億5163萬1千元基金用途6億8292萬1千元本金剩餘94億6871萬元接下來公布及補完預算均無劣數 |
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11051.707 |
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11063.922 |
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內政部主管黃瑞景先生獎學基金附屬單位預算一業務計劃部分一據審查結果隨從調整總收入一萬七千元總支出一萬八千元本季短出一千元 |
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11065.407 |
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11087.295 |
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內政部主管胡元周女士講書學基金附屬單位預算議務計劃部分依依據審查結果隨從調整二總收入17000元總支出20000元本期短促3000元內政部主管財團法人228事件紀念基金會115年度預算工作計劃部分依依據審查結果隨從調整收入7549萬元支出7549萬元本期剩餘0元 |
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11091.577 |
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11108.01 |
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內政部主管財產法人威權統治時期國家不法行為被害人權利回復基金工作計劃部分一據審查結果隨同調整收入二十億六千零二十五萬元支出二十億五千九百七十萬元本地剩餘五十五萬元 |
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11130.654 |
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內政部主管財團法人 台灣建築中心115年度預算 供貨計畫部分依據審查結果隨從調整 收入3億9503萬元 支出3億9231萬元 本期剩餘272萬元內政部主管財團法人 台灣營建研究院115年度預算 供貨計畫部分依據審查結果隨從調整 收入1億8709萬元 支出1億8545萬5千元 本期剩餘163萬5千元 |
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11138.358 |
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11159.305 |
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運營計畫部部長台南法人中央營建技術部門研究社115年度預算工作計畫部分因應據審查結果遂通調整收入835萬3千元支出712萬5千元本金剩餘122萬8千元運營部監督國家住宅及都市更新中心115年度預算營運計畫部分因應據審查結果遂通調整 |
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11160.365 |
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11177.677 |
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收入五十四億零四百九十六萬九千元支出五十三億八千九百億三萬兩千元本體剩餘一千五百八十三萬七千元固定資產建設改良擴充六百六十六億五千八百六千三萬六千元繼續宣讀提案內政部提案 |
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第七款第一項內政部為第一到第七案第一目一般行政為八到十四案第二目民政及宗教理智業務為十五至二十七案第三目副政業務為二十八到三案及案第四目地政業務為三八到五十二案 |
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第五目土地測量為53到57案第七目議政約務為58到72案第八目內政資訊約務為73到83案第十一目社會行政約務為82到83案主決議為84案到109案國土管理署部分 |
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國土管理屬區所屬為第一到第二案第一幕肺炎業特種基金為第三到第四案一般行政為第五到第七案第三幕國土管理業務為第八到第二十九案第七幕都市基礎工程業務為三十一到四十案第八幕下水道管理業務為四十一到五十三案主決業務為五十四到第七十三案國家公園屬區所屬部分 |
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第一項第一案第一幕一般行政第二案第二幕國家公園約為第三到第十二案第三幕國家公園基金管理為十三到十九案主決議為第十八案到第二十二案建築研究所部分第一幕一案第二幕建築研究約為第二到第七案營建建設基金預算 |
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11265.888 |
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11283.495 |
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住宅基金為一案 中央都市更新基金即一案國土永續發展基金副主單位預算 基金用途一案國家住宅及都市更新中心預算支出部分為第一到第二案 主決議為第三至第四案 宣讀完畢 |
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11285.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
11286.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
11304.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
11318.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
哦 好啊 好啊 但是我本來不想說我坐在議會上說什麼我坐在議會上說什麼我坐在議會上說什麼我坐在議會上說什麼我坐在議會上說什麼我坐在議會上說什麼我坐在議會上說什麼我坐在議會上說什麼 |
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11334.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
11345.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
那是不是可以跟農民貸款?我知道那些我都會處理,我以前跟那個不關我的事,我剛才跟你報告說那些我都會處理,我也跟小鎮村長、跟市長討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
11348.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
11371.332 |
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我賣國家啊 我賣國民黨啊 這我都處理啊我都處理啊 這都處理啊你放心啦 你放心啦 因為我們會合理啦 剛才你都提到有什麼問題的話我都順便問一頓 順便問一頓 順便問一頓 順便問一頓 順便問一頓 順便問一頓 順便問一頓 順便問一頓 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
11375.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
11376.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
要修正更適 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
11392.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
11409.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
我們市長跟你說明一下,宗教理智是有關於委員關係的一個加一的部分因為我們部署辦,第一期裡面,我們有部署幹預期,平常是五千五百元的辦理,才給到部署一大半 |
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11410.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11411.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
好請還在協商齁 |
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11429.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11452.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
好我們把握一下時間齁本次會議議程有關處理115年度的預算做統一做以下三點宣告一有關各位委員的提案為了讓討論聚焦一預算科目編排稅務部分以巷為單位稅出部分原理處理盜墓之科目為原則第二 |
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11453.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
11478.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
提案委員如果有提出凍結預算者除有委員特別聲明意外解凍條件均依例改為向本委員會提出書面報告後使得凍資三處理預算提案時如提案委員不在場依召委會議共事該提案不再處理 |
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11478.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11495.276 |
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為無該案與協商前相關部會議跟提案委員完成溝通並將書面報告送至本委員會及依該溝通結果處理以上宣告請問在場委員有無異議 |
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沒有如果沒有異議就通過因為今天來的相關的人員很多容我把幾個比較單純大家比較沒有意見溝通完畢的先來進行處理處理完後相關的這些單位的人員就可以先行離開好不好 |
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好 謝謝王美惠委員我們先來處理115年度中央政府總預算案委員提案國土永續發展基金附屬單位預算王美惠委員 伍麗華委員不在場這一案我們就不處理好不好王美惠委員 再一個基金基金而已基金而已對啊那這個而已 |
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好那我們就照列齁115年度中央政府總預算案國土永續發展基金附屬單位預算照列通過那個主席我在這裡一個意見給您齁你們還是有問題要去解釋溝通一下好 |
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接下來我們來處理住都中心115年度國家住宅及都市更新中心預算案委員提案裡面有支出的部分有張宏祿委員的提案還沒有改組決議張志文委員、蘇巧惠委員跟王美惠委員均改組決議張宏祿委員謝謝沒有啊這個如果大家都一樣的話我就改組決議 |
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好 張宏祿委員改組決議請問其他委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們這個115年度國家住宅機 |
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謝謝主席有關於住都中心我們都很支持未來我們不管是社宅等等的設立不過最近大家也看到新聞我對新聞還是要請教我們部長跟住都中心的長官最近好像有聽到社會住宅有引發大火的事件是有這樣的事情嗎 |
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你們現在針對這樣的事件你們後續的回應處理是如何是不是可以簡單說明一下來請花董事長做一下回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11677.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
9月15的早上因為5月15早上因為地下室的模板是系統模板它是環保材質在拆模板的時候在切割鋼那個火花噴到然後燒起來因為它在地下室所以說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
地下室的天花板著火那所以說因為暗加上有堆積物所以說讓消防員就不宜下到那個地方救火因為那個地方危險對消防員生命安全有危險所以最後才跟台中消防局經過討論就讓他燒完只能讓他燒完所以說導致了大概有一天到兩天台中的空污 |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
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會確實比較嚴重一點但是那個整個現場都在掌控當中那當然也像台中市彰化的民眾表示抱歉那這部分是全國第一次這種系統模板的火災所以說我們大概也跟國土署跟消防署後續還有台中市消防局我們後續都已經經過了檢討後續怎麼樣對這些材料的管控 |
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防驗的這些要求的規範後面都會再討論那我們也會針對火災之後的地下一樓的地板的結構安全這個我們會做全面最嚴格的一個管控如果真的有問題該打掉重蓋我們就會打掉重蓋 |
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請教一下後續那個地方政府有要求說有賠償的問題還有你們後續整個就關於這個建築材質你們大概預計會什麼時候確定一個新的一個方案出來還有說你們針對現在所有在興建的社宅的地下室未來還有沒有是不是要整體的去考量會不會還有這樣的問題是不是可以請花董事長回答是 |
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地方政府對我們是有對公營造長有罰款那沒有賠償的問題但是當然我們對周邊的旅民我們當然都會去致意事實上旅屋去致意跟他們說明這個都有做到那也針對我們用同樣的系統模板環保材質的系統模板的所有的工地一共有五處工地我們現在都全面要求在所有的過程底下都要做到防火防災的這個同步的作業都已經處理了 |
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再不好意思謝謝董事長回答那到底現在還有哪五處是不是可以請你大概說明一下這個名稱我沒有記起來好幾個都有因為我們現在很多地方都開始用系統模板有些是鋁模板那這個是環保材質就是不一樣所以說大概相關的資料我再會後再給委員好不好好謝謝花董事長 |
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好那如果沒有意見的話沒有其他意見的話我們115年度國家住宅及都市更新中心預算就照列通過對那張宏祿委員、張志倫委員、蘇巧惠委員、王美惠委員經改組決議通過謝謝接下來我來報告一下 |
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那剛剛有宣告過審查完畢的單位就自行離席謝謝那接下來審查115年度中央政府總預算案營建建設基金預算那張志倫委員兩個提案都改組決議那請張志倫委員有沒有要補充說明營建建設基金好謝謝那 |
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11892.893 |
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預算照略通過接下來我們來審查115年度中央政府總預算案建築研究所預算裡面包含第一案張志倫委員凍結時亂來張志倫委員建築研究所 |
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好謝謝主席那我們因為會提這個凍結10萬是一個就是比較少的經費主要就是因為現在的這個人事好像越招不到人有人事有變少那我們希望就是說政府現在也在推五指化節省行政成本等等而且考慮到歷年的這個決算的數字其實他剩餘款也是有蠻多的所以我們還是以這個監督 |
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這個預算的一個角度提出凍結不是刪除那希望說未來就是你們來討論一下如何增進人力以及加強數位化物質化的一個方式那如果我們提出書面報告後使得凍結那看這個建築研究所有沒有什麼有什麼可以回覆的還是同意以上 |
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合理啦,我們也是要尊重委員,那我們再提書面報告好不好那我們接下來直接進第二幕那裡面第二案、第三案、第四案、第五案、第六案、第七案 |
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裡面有改組決議那其他現在有張志文委員的第一案做有凍結100萬張宏祿委員還沒有凍結50萬那王美惠委員凍結100萬以及 |
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黃美惠委員兩案就以一樣為主那廖先祥委員改組決議兩個組決議來 請張志文委員跟張宏祿委員 黃美惠委員要不要說明 謝謝我覺得啦 大家都是這樣子也是為了他們好 |
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我這樣具體建議啦就張委員跟王委員我們就所有的提案合併處理啦然後我們給他凍結 整目凍結100萬啦好不好張志榮委員好不好我們全部併案處理啦所有委員提案併案處理然後整目凍結100萬 |
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張志榮委員這樣好不好照你的意思啊好我們就這樣提50啊你提100要照你的100這樣好啦那就這樣你們同意嗎合理啦好同意好那就好了這樣好了就這樣那經過協商齁那我們建築研究所的預算的部分第二幕的部分我們併案處理凍結100萬請建築研究所一個月內提出書面報告使得動之謝謝好那建築 |
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那第四案改成三個月提出書面報告紙,使得動之你哪早來就可以用錢啦,你有夠囂張的好啦好啦,你哪要三個月就三個月啦,ok啦沒關係啦,早上來就好那第四案跟第七案改組決議 |
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謝謝,那建築研究所可以先行離開,謝謝跟委員會報告,那剛剛經過跟高精素美委員也有協調那我們就回到內政部的預算來開始審議 |
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我們現在來審查115年度中央政府總預算案內政部的部分我們先從第一項內政部的說出部分開始審查裡面請第一案我們先處理第一項第一項因為有高金素梅委員提案我們先讓高金素梅委員來發表 謝謝 |
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12180.843 |
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好謝謝這個第一項第七款那個媒體政策還有業務宣導費的部分這個部分呢是有比去年的預算增加了一千多萬那請問一下你們堅持你們增加了這個部分要做些什麼你們能說明一下 |
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跟委員報告這項主義最主要是我們要製作一些委員宣的影片包括我們的媽祖的文化包括我們王爺的祭典也包括說我們基督教天主教各個重要團體他不管是建築物或者是他的活動很值得宣傳的我們用中央的力量不管是補助他還是我們幫他做讓外國觀看可以很明顯的就看到說台灣的宗教之美藉著能夠讓台灣的宗教走上國際 |
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好你剛剛是說作為門宣輔導團就是所謂的宗教對不對那請問門宣輔導團到底是什麼是由誰組成資格是什麼怎麼選你們好像完全都沒有規範啊那會變成這些經費是非常不透明的耶而且更何況 |
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執政黨一直在講兩岸宗教交流是統戰有請媽祖報教然後你們一天又要補預算說宗教交流到底是誰說了算到底是哪一個團體用了你們門宣就不是所謂的統戰然後就沒有這個所謂的兩岸的關係的問題 |
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所以在你們權責非常不清楚標準不清楚之前我在這邊堅持這筆預算不應該直接動之所以除非除非你們提出了應該要有的規範跟說明 |
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我覺得在這個部分你們在假訊息的處理上面你們沒有在好好的做反而在這邊又變預算這個我不同意當然今天我在這邊刪除你們這個預算你們可能會有意見但是請容若堅持這個部分因為您剛剛的說明也透過 |
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麥克風傳到了各個各界的耳裡所以呢我們認為這個是非常非常不需要的更何況你說媽祖現在連媽祖的廟觀光都很厲害有需要你們再去做門宣嗎所以我認為你不應該用人民的一千六百萬再去做一些所謂的宗教的輔導團好不好以上謝謝 |
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我再跟委員補充報告事實上我們有一個輔導團我們是透過公開招票方式請專家學者一起來做一個研究然後提供資料給我們的不管是宗教系列宗教文化包括宗教團體做參考最主要我們這一個媒宣我們最主要是影片製作以後很希望說能夠得到國際的外國人士的 |
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我的意思是說組成了這個所謂的媒宣輔導團是要來審核投標的這些人他要做什麼東西是嗎那麼我們更不能夠接受啊對不起容我在這邊堅持我覺得他的說明我已經聽到了那麼我就堅持這1600萬我就刪除謝謝 |
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我們先請王航威議員 |
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好那個主席還有各位委員因為呢我們今年的內政部的他編列的沒宣費他實在是增加太多了他在去年的時候255萬7000塊然後 |
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今年他增加到16958000塊因為這個征服是6.6倍之高那這個部分就是說到底因為大家也知道其實在即便在去年度內政部也推出了很多的一些房屋的這個一些住金補貼啦或者一些相關的一些津貼的但這一部分呢其實都有做到所以他為什麼會要 |
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增加這麼多我覺得這部分到目前為止我覺得內政部沒有提出一個非常具體然後讓各位委員能夠信服的一個說明 |
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那第二點就是說因為基本上我對於沒宣費我都會去看各部會他自己的分析報告那內政部的有一個問題是他把這個所謂的沒宣費事實上他有去做一些補助 |
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補助一些所謂的民間團體不管他是在廣播電視啦或者以所謂的網路的宣傳來補助民間團體那大家都知道去年 即便你說255萬非常少是不是如果原來就比如說去年因為被刪了 255萬非常少 |
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可是去年在大罷免期間內政部仍然以它所謂非常少的煤燻費去補助一個所謂的威權小旅行這個威權小旅行的補助單位叫做台中好民文化協會 |
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12532.131 |
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這個可能如果有台中市的國民黨籍立委在這邊就立刻知道當時在整個大罷免期間這個協會就是在台中最大的罷免團體之一好 所以我要講囉如果以去年你們認為這個金額很少但是還可以用補助的方式去補助一個在台中市罷免在野黨立委的最大的罷免團體之一 |
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所以我覺得這個如何讓我們去支持呢其實我們宗教是有來跟我溝通嘛那我針對一些宗教其實未來你們是怎麼去補助宗教團體的因為所謂的宗教團體並不是我們所以為的宗教團體那我們 |
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在這個宗教團體部分而且你們這次包含對宗教團體的補助還有宗教團體所謂的他們的活動的宣傳今年都是新增計劃嘛而且是好幾億我經過有點忘記我記得好幾億喔3億還5億那這個宣傳費很多都是灌在這裡都是灌在這邊可是即使是如此 |
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我覺得就是說以去年所執行的成績沒有辦法讓我們信任增加的6.6倍的沒宣費可以做一個很好的運用所以我個人也是維持原來的提案 以上謝謝 |
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主要是因為今年度的沒宣費的預算比去年增加了6.6倍這個內政部在去年的這個沒宣費看起來他們少少的沒宣費同樣也可以做事為什麼要增加6點多倍然後達到就是1950萬 |
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沒有必要更何況內政部重要的功能就是把事情做好最重要而不是說透過這種媒體宣傳然後去宣導一些不符事實或是說是與他們業務無關的這些宣導所以本席是堅持要刪減1695萬8千元 |
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好 張宏樂委員我覺得各位委員對這一個這個沒宣費這個部分大家都都有看法我是不是覺得關於這一個部分我們就保留好不好那其他的4到7因為丁薛忠委員也沒來我們就不處理了好那我們先保留好不好 |
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這我的案子第四案這個翁委員我們內政委員會啊齁就是提案委員不在齁我們就不處理啦因為丁委員沒來這個我剛才有做過宣告齁你宣告啦沒關係但是因為翁委員不在主要是我提因為我需要就是不是我們內政委員會就是這樣不是針對你不好意思好吧那麼提二輪吧 |
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好謝謝那我們這一項先保留好不好好謝謝那我們可以快一點進行一下那我來宣告一下內政部的預算第一項第一案到第七案我們就先保留我們接下來來審第一目一般行政第一目一般行政裡面的提案包含王宏威委員以及張志倫委員改第九案第十三案 |
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王鴻萬一委員跟張志文委員改組決議那接下來還有張鴻祿委員高金素美委員丁學中委員廖先祥委員徐欣穎委員提案來我們來做一下發言來請高金素美委員這個部分我已經改為組決議了好謝謝 |
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高精素沒委員第十項改組決議張志倫委員沒有張志倫委員也改組決議啦 |
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一般行政我的是第10案減率50萬我改為主決議了好謝謝高金素男委員那就是11案12案的部分因為提案委員不在那我們就先不處理徐欣穎委員也不在好那我們就不處理 |
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哦 對不起徐欣盈委員第14案已經改組決議那所有的委員在場的也全部都改組決議啊全部都改組決議 那我的也改組決議啊好 謝謝張宏祿委員也改組決議那我們第一幕一般行政的部分就照列通過 謝謝 |
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接下來我們進行第二幕民政及宗教理智業務原列三十八億零七百六十六萬一千元裡面有高金素梅委員提案張志倫委員提案徐欣穎委員提案王紅薇委員改組決議李博義提案高金素梅委員提案來請高金素梅委員說明謝謝 |
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報告莊委這幾個部分第16、17、18、19案那就是關於我今天有質詢的部分一個就是投票秘密不在局投票還有帝制法83之7還有帝制法相待的規定這四個部分我想這四個部分 |
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我這樣在內政委員會我就非常的關心而且也這個盯了很久但到目前為止以來呢包括剛剛的這個質詢也沒有給我非常明確的說明所以我的這樣子啦我是16案凍結500萬17案凍結500萬18案凍結500萬19案凍結500萬加起來是2000那我現在是說 |
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加起來總共一千萬,然後請他們提出專案報告那剛剛那個司長有來跟我做說明了,那我跟他說就這樣是不是,還是他要再繼續爭取還是蔡委員你就做個決定好謝謝,那因為張鋒路委員也有提案,我們聽一下他有沒有什麼建議,謝謝 |
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那個高軍委員高軍委員剛剛是說16到19是他的提案嘛那因為張宏祿委員第20案也是同樣的所以我們來不是所以對啊我們這個整目啊第二目啊是對啊38億這個部分對啊38億我就是說我來凍結不是 |
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這個高靜雯因為我們都是整目處理所以妳還有妳的二十六案妳有要二十六案的話我已經改組決議了所以就這樣我建議這樣是不是 |
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那個如果整幕啊齁 我們凍結了 因為高居民我們這樣你說要一千對 凍結一千萬五百好不好然後搞專案報告五百欸 三十八億一千五百你要專案報告喔對對因為我 我覺得這個部分其實呢還是請部長說明一下 |
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因為其實跟部長報告我剛剛在質詢的時候其實你應該也知道我非常重視這個部分這個部分我還是再說明一下這就是關於投票秘密的部分投票秘密的部分它真的會影響到我們非常多的族人他的民主選舉的制度 |
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再來不在籍投票已經講了非常的久不能夠一直都沒有回應再來就是地制法83之7的就是現在只要是直轄市原住民地區升格為直轄市區的部分他到底增加的預算是因為我們的財化法增加呢還是我們的地方制度法第83條之7的修正增加的部分剛剛也沒有給我回應 |
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然後再來就是地質法鄉民代表的規定我們早在113年修法的時候就已經要求內政部要通盤來檢討有關鄉鎮市區民代表的十一次的規定 |
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行政進度真的到現在已經很久了我想非常多原鄉地區的民意代表都在等待你們的一些說法跟進度那這個部分也是我提了非常久的部分了我想不可能內政部一直 |
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不在乎這四件事情所以我認為我動在38日裡面來凍結一千萬然後請他們專案報告不是真的想要對立算下手而是希望你們對這整件事情能夠非常的在意好嗎謝謝要不要部長做個回應 |
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也可以謝謝高經委員跟張委員的關心第一個就是說我們剛在回應的時候已經有跟委員提到除了選罷法的部分除了內政部以外他主管機關還包括中選會 |
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那那個要報告的部分的話我們也要知道說中選會的立場我們來做報告才會有比較完整的答案那另外一個就是說今年的年底呢11月28號的時候呢也即將要進行九合一的選舉那我們現在如果馬上就改換任何不同的選舉業務或是選政選務上面的更換的話其實對於選舉的公平性也會受到很多人的質疑 |
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那所以中央報告的部分的話能不能馬上解決今年年底所碰到的那個地方製度法或者是原住民鄉鎮事工所或者是其他的相關的這個選政業務其實我覺得有一點會致思欲焚所以是不是可以讓我們在跟中選會做比較好的這個協商以後再來跟那個委員做一下完整的報告會比較好 |
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好謝謝那我們張宏祿委員再跟高金素美委員協商一下我們是不是整幕可以一起來處理那我這邊先宣告包含張志榮委員你第一案有沒有 |
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就整幕一起處理我們就整幕凍結兩百萬但是像高金委員說的這個部分我們就專案報告 |
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這樣部長可不可以我剛有提到中央報告不能只有內政部因為選政選務內政部跟選委會要一起我想那個還有原民會也就是說剛經我們剛在國應的時候因為我不是主管原民跟那個中選所以我不敢幫他們做決定那內政部的部分的話我們按照我們內政部的職權分析的部分我們會照常處理 |
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那我跟一個部長說明一下 在中選會部分我也其實也會做處理的所以我也接受 其實我的目的不是在要凍結預算那張宏樂委員 張偉成這樣說 那我就接受我們就凍結200萬 那必須要專案來報告 好嗎我們真的希望能夠來解決這個問題 大家都期待的 尤其是我的主人 謝謝 |
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好謝謝高金委員以及在場委員那我來做一下宣告第二幕的部分有第22案對不起第全部都改組決議第二幕的部分從第15案到第27案我們併案處理凍結200萬 |
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那高精素美委員建議部分由內政部中選會以及園民會我們來做一個專案報告使得動之好不好謝謝那 |
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好那由改組決議的部分第21案、22案、25案、26案、27案改組決議其他預算照列好我們 |
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還有第23案,王美惠委員、吳立華委員因為王美惠委員在場,我們已經撤案,謝謝第三幕互證業務的部分,原列5646案6案的部分有張志倫委員、張鴻祿委員、丁學忠委員提案那張志倫委員跟張鴻祿委員在場我們請張志倫委員還有張鴻祿委員要不要說明一下,謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席那有關於這個戶政業務的部分我相信這個每一個黨的委員都非常關心也提出我們的這個預算案的提案就是針對數位身份證 |
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現在今年過去到今年從107年109年到今年已經花了將近快要10億的預算那未來的進度到底如何來做那是不是我覺得各位委員我們只是提出凍結案希望說因為我今天在直覺的時候有特別報告說其實 |
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我們台灣的技術跟資安已經可以協助國外的友邦來建立數位身份證那台灣目前的進度還是牛扑那所以我相信每個委員大家想要的是為了避免詐騙的問題大家可以把數位身份證這件事情往前進一步可是因為我們現在我們的政府只付錢沒有進度也沒有報告所以我們希望就是說我們用凍結來 |
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來積極請我們的內政部來做往前的一個推進的一個動作以上好謝謝張志倫委員請張宏祿委員發言謝謝我跟張志倫委員我們兩個都有提案我其實跟張志倫的想法是一樣所以我那個張委員我們是不是所有委員就併案然後整目處理我們整目凍結五時好不好 |
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這次換照我的50萬啦這次換讓我一下要不要先讓 |
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要不要先讓內政部說明一下未來要怎麼做你們到底進度還是沒有進度報告委員目前為止確實沒有進度因為我們在等其他像個資的部分而且數位申問證我們當然知道這是一個趨勢但是數位申問證要做到完全沒有資安上的疑慮的話其實各方的共識都還沒有出來 |
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所以委員當然是希望說我們趕快解決問題那但是我剛有跟委員報告過那在兩年前這個大院有通過這個數位身份證暫緩推出之後因為當時已經行政院有了很多委外的計畫所以委外計畫還沒有完成的時候我們當然要提出這方面對於那個廠商要提10.96億那也是經過公共工程委員會來做協商所以我們分年來編列這是一個 |
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那未來要如何推出數位生命證我覺得還是要收集相當多的意見跟我們報告為什麼我們會擔心不是只有個資研議的問題現在AI在聲音還有影像不是只有數目什麼生命證號碼等等這些其實它的那個不管是身為或者是這種模糊或者是偽造的空間真的太強 |
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那你數位身份證如果沒有辦法好好處理的話未來我們只會在認證的上面就加了非常多的條件那推出數位身份證無非是為了方便取代紙媒的方式但是如果你這匆匆忙忙就推出然後花費的經費又很大的狀況之下其實反而會置私欲焚我覺得我必須要跟張委員講這確實是我們現在碰到的困擾 |
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那如果我們的戶政單位他只是一個行政單位他沒有辦法在技術層面上解決這個問題的話我們現在輕易就同意張委員說我們明明就趕快提出來反而我覺得我們不夠負責任所以是不是讓我們有一些研議的空間會比較好 |
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那盡量我們採取書面報告就是我們必須要有完整的什麼樣子的修正條件或評估的方案再來審慎推出可能會比較好因為我們真的是很害怕未來資安如果出現狀況的話一出去是整體的戶政系統都有可能受到比較大的波及 |
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好 謝謝劉部長的說明好 謝謝部長的回應那部長說得非常的道理我們也可以體諒不過就是說第一個台灣不管是在資訊科技資安都是領先全球的那台灣的數位身份證本席還是要建議不能成為亞洲最後一名我們看得到亞洲很多國家都已經開始去做了那我也了解部長的擔憂可是我們各位委員不分黨派我們是想到的是一個不是要部長剛剛講的沒有進度 |
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沒有進度還要付錢那當然布宅有講的原因就是說就是因為我已經買了所以要付錢那我們都同意可是這錢要付到119年那我們已經在立法院做過暫停使用完也兩年了那兩年到現在到今年都還沒有進度那我們還是要付這筆錢那我相信 |
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這個就是我們很擔心我們也希望說部長你們有一個完整的配套可是不能是沒有進度沒有進度的話那是不是部長也要請行政院大家研議一下不能每年都沒有進度所以我們今天凍結的金額也非常的少剛剛紅綠委員說50萬那我們是希望是不是提高到100萬如果你有進度的話 |
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就是你就提一個你現在能出的一個進度或者是說怎麼樣的給我們不然媽每年都在討論這個事情沒有一個解決的方案好謝謝張志榮委員那我們就尊重張志榮委員這邊凍結一百萬好不好我們第三部病案一起來處理 |
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張宏祿委員、張志倫委員還有我的部分改組決議那張志倫委員跟張宏祿委員的部分就定案我們凍結100萬請內政部做書面報告後使得凍資因為志倫委員的訴求非常的清楚我們還是要持續的來加以推動張宏祿委員這樣好不好 |
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我沒有意見啦 只要內政部好就好 但我是覺得整目所有委員提案 並案處理 凍結100不是只有我們兩個對 我說明一下 因為其他委員有的改組決有的撤案 第28案徐欣穎委員撤案 |
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第二十九案高金素梅委員改組決議第三十二案徐欣雲委員改組決議第三十四案李柏毅改組決議三十五案丁薛忠委員沒有到三十六案廖先祥委員改組決議三十七案李柏毅改組決議所以第三目其他的議案我們並列 |
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凍結100萬那書面報告後使得凍資好 第三幕結束接下來我們進行第四幕 地震業務原列4億8192萬張宏祿委員凍結50萬 |
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除了第44案跟第51案以外其他都改組決議我們現在來處理第38案第44案以及第51案那都是張宏祿委員、王美惠委員跟黃婕委員要不要一個說明 |
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在這兩天有意見的時候,麻煩你們提供資料來跟我們大家都是合一者,有問題可以跟我們說跟張旺祿、我跟鄺捷委員 |
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是不是斷絕五十萬好那第四幕的部分我來宣讀一下 |
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第38案第44案第51案並案我們共結50萬書面報告後使得動之第39案40案41案42案43案45案46案47案48案49案第50案以及第52案改組決議其餘預算照列 |
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接下來進行第五目土地測量,原列78052萬9千元好,除了第54案張宏祿委員提案以外都改組決議張宏祿委員第54案其餘都改組決議 |
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其餘都改組決議,那我就改組決議啦好,那第五目土地測量原列七億八千零五十二萬九千元其中裡面第五十三案、五十四案、五十五案、五十六案、五十七案都改組決議預算照列我們進行第七目,議政業務 |
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好,第58案張志倫委員有凍結,請張志倫委員先提案說明一下 |
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好 謝謝主席那針對這個內政部議政業務的部分就是我們主要的討論就是關於中中科技大學這個改變成就是我們現在內政部不管是保二或者是民防訓練場地 |
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的這個修繕費那剛剛在質詢的時候有提到我們第一階段寶二的經費就是比較順利可是第二階段針對民防訓練場地的一個部分那從114年開始連續這個叫什麼 |
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連續沒有招標出去連續三次那現在施工的 流標三次現在進度為零那因為現在內政部這個議政業務也沒有跟我們講說未來你們要怎麼調整等等的內容現在是一個空白所以我們提出凍結一千萬 |
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那希望說你們在改變預算的時候或者是要增加什麼東西也要讓立法院稍微知道一下我們才有辦法來去做監督因為現在完全沒有資料所以我們才提出凍結一千萬的金額以上 謝謝來 請劉部長做一下說明 謝謝 |
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謝謝張委員的指教張委員跟我們在那個答詢的時候有跟委員報告那這次應該比較沒有問題因為我們已經有要求啊原來流標的那個部分做了檢討所以是不是可以不要凍結那麼多那個我們都會在一兩個月內呢就跟委員報告一下目前的交標的狀況 |
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因為現在已經是年中了原本你們的預算是多少錢你們未來預計的預算會花多少錢為什麼會增加那麼多改變是什麼 現在有確定的資料還是都沒有我是不是請那個沈市長跟您報告一下他改變的部分 |
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因為當初我們編列的這個金額計算的標準是比較低一點因為我們比較尊嚴但是這幾年我們物價波動跟工資還有這個建築費用都很高所以我們就現在修正的是更符合我們的這個市場行情那第二就是說我們在檢討裡面的項目有一項目比如說無人機啦或者是停車場啦或者是我們的一些我們的 |
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停車場還有無人機還有這個無障礙措施這些都是要重新再修訂一下所以這個部分我們已經有彙集相關的單位那目前我們已經在遷請座位我們預計在這個月底以前可以報行政院那行政院如果順利核定的話我們年底應該能夠來辦理完整招標的座位 |
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我想請教市長市長市長謝謝市長那你們現在已經有確定金額出來了嗎金額已經確定出來了你們可以追加多少預算整個案能追加將近3億元追加3億對 |
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你們原本我請教一下原本你們第二期的總經費是多少是2億9千多1億9千多2億9千多2億9千萬增加1億增加3億增加一倍因為我們編列的這個當初的基準跟現在的基準也差了將近一倍因為當初我們編列的基準是7200塊每坪那現在是用最新的標準是行政工程會合併的標準是15900 |
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所以我們當初用的這個標準跟現在實際的用的標準是已經有是將近一倍的標準了那因為我要跟市長報告因為我們還沒有看到你們內部所有的資料目前我們在簽成作業這個都是按照行政案工程會制定的標準因為你的經費爆增太多了啦爆增一倍多因為當初編的標準的計算我再請教那未來經費你爆增這樣的經費你是要用什麼樣的經費去來支用所以要編密經費 |
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116的概算裡面要變到116的概算裡面所以你請教一下你114年會花多少錢115年會花多少錢115年本來變3億多但是因為第二標的期程已經減少了所以我們要進行第一標的部分 |
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所以你115年其實事實上用不到那麼多用不到目前三零一多我們是不是用不到 到時候凍結一千萬聽起來是合理的啊是合理的好 謝謝 |
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劉部長非常尊重市長你都說可以了好那第七幕的部分我來宣讀一下現在剩下張志倫委員第58案那應政部也同意凍結1000案經書面報告後取得凍資那其餘第59案60案61案62案63案64案65案66案68案69案70案72案均改組決議 |
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你怎麼搞的好嗎?講一下啦今天這邊最後有點疏忽 |
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好對不起我剛剛這邊作業有點疏忽我重新宣讀第七目議政業務第59案、60案、61案、62案、63案、64案、65案、66案、68案、69案、70案、72案均改組決議第58案張志文委員凍結1000萬 |
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同意啊 同意啊書面報告經同意時的動作書面報告後經同意啊我沒有改組決議 |
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對,六十一案還沒有改組決議那五十八跟六十一我們併案討論嘛那張宏祿委員沒意見了那我們就併案五十八六十一案沒有意見那五十八案凍結一千萬書面報告後,經同意,只得凍資那跟第六十一案併案處理 |
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第67案跟第71案提案委員不在我們就不處理那我們第7幕的議政業務就處理完畢凍結1000萬書面報告後時的凍結好我們接下來進行第8幕 |
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內政資訊業務原列七億五千九百三十六萬 王美鳳委員是 抱歉 我不然你請問第五幕的五十三條它是文字修正剛才在補的時候說我改組決議結果我去找他們當事人 找助理 找主任是文字修正而已 沒有改組決議 |
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來,我要處理一下為什麼你們來跟專委這邊報告的跟我得到的資訊都不一樣精準一點好不好 |
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所以第五目的第五十三案是文字修正嗎?對不好意思有凍結嗎?凍結100萬凍結100萬原來是說現場說看怎麼解釋可是我認為大家是互相我們做不好還是我們沒注意到你們可以解釋我我可以接受但是你們這樣很嚴的 |
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到底的問題,我們還要去找原告出來,還要去問你,因為我會開會後,隨便你自己,我聽主任說的所以這種事不可以這樣啦,不可以清清菜菜啦 |
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沒有 我聽不懂 我覺得你們要精準一點齁 沒有啦 你們若主席說會心齁如果是文字修正跟主決議是不同的這是對委員的一個尊重好不好第五目 土地測量第五十三案的部分我們就凍結一百萬元謝謝召委書面報告後時的動之抱歉王美惠委員沒沒沒土地測量主席結果越聽越想去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
對啊 你來跟我說 你也不可以給我錯誤訊息啊對啊 這 聽差一點 |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
好了 我們先進行下面小小氣 |
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好接下來我們進行第8幕內政資訊業務 原列7億5936萬6千元那現在有第73案74案張志文委員還有75案李柏毅76案王美惠委員測案77案78案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
改組決議79案黃捷委員做文字修正來請張志倫委員謝謝好謝謝張委那有關於這個內政資訊業務我們認為這個內政部要把資訊大樓重建工程計畫非常重要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
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不過他的經費在今年是115年是最後一年的工程那他的經費從1.6億暴增到3.19億暴增也要快要一倍那我們看到從過去我們了解的進度是招標不順然後在113年的第三季的執行率才45%所以我們想要了解一下現在到底整個工程進度是多少今年 |
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去年度到底我們的質詢從45%到底現在質詢到多少等等的是不是可以跟我們詳細的說明那我們現在是說因為經費暴增一倍我們凍結1000萬希望說內政部可以解釋一下增加經費這麼多而且現在執行的效率是多少讓我們可以來監督一下謝謝 |
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跟委員說明一下我們那個內政諮詢服務大樓是110年的計畫111年開始施作那施作的過程當中因為基法那個改建基法的時候發現那個有那個建築廢棄物跟基座的問題就角座的問題所以說那個有一點delay那目前來講他的總經費沒有暴增從原來營造成本是 |
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差不多四億六千萬變成五千萬那每坪的營造成本大概是22.7萬元所以這基本上跟過去的實施因為那個建商的施作過程有一些遇到一些建築廢棄物跟剛才講做的問題所以說有點延遲那實際上的執行進度目前到現在的進度差不多接近六成 |
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我們預計是在116年5月的時候會完成施工營造的部分建築物主體的部分116年5月的時候會完成大概是這樣 |
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好不好意思謝謝您的分享所以原本是說115年會完工現在拖到116年的5月份那我必須要講我們的整體的建築的經費一坪是22.7萬元因為就我本身的了解其實這個是在台北市的一棟大樓是嗎 |
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它的地上是六層樓地下才兩層樓建築經費一坪到22.7是稍微高了一點啦高蠻多的經費高蠻多的所以我還是希望說你們現在整個執行下來的話到今年年底你們大概執行到多少那你們的經費會有點晚嗎 |
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最主要是看那個現在是比較有缺工的問題那如果缺工可以解決今年的話可以達到85%左右那明年的話應該可以如期營造主體的成本應該可以所以你今年完成了幾個% |
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目前為止已經達到接近六成然後年底會到八成八成以上明年的五月完工五月就可以全部完成 |
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好 那我請教一下 凍結1000萬會影響到你們的工程嗎基本上我們希望是說不要凍結因為那個建商目前正在趕工 他們在找相關的因為剛開始我跟委員報告 基本上就基閥的問題在挖這個時候發現那個失業廢棄物跟那個角座失作因為怕有零損的問題 所以說基本上角座的範圍會比較大一點所以說目前這些問題都解決了 我們現在正在蓋一低層 |
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地上一層目前已經開始完成其實你們那個都有契約嘛你就要求承包的廠商照著契約走嘛他沒有你就罰款了嘛你就怎樣了嘛啊這一定遭那個嘛對啊所以你哪有那麼多假設性的問題 |
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不是嘛 他們提出你也可以不同意啊照契約走啊 對不對啊我們立委在問你 你是照著契約走啊啊你照著契約走 你錢是不是要付啊對啊 你如果是蓋你家的 我看你半夜都在那邊看餒你照著契約走就好了啊 還說那麼多 |
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14849.725 |
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14878.734 |
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對不對 你這樣一半夜都在那邊看嘛你就是要求承包的廠商照進度啦你每天找一個同仁都去看一次 他就嚇死了對不對 這樣你的錢不是要照付嗎對啊 這樣你都不會回答謝謝 我們大概知道那個張委員我覺得啦 這個錢是一定要付啦我覺得啦 他這樣回答我也覺得實在是不對啦 |
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所以啦,我也覺得要動啦,我們不要動到一千萬好不好好不好,這樣動多少?三百好,三百三百可以齁? |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
14896.483 |
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14907.01 |
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那我也同意73案、74案、75案我們就併案凍結300萬經書面報告後取得凍資那其餘第76案測案、77案、78案、81案改組決議79案黃捷委員的提案做文字修正 |
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14927.13 |
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14951.409 |
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就併案啦併案好不好併案那八十案委員不在我們就不處理第八目內政資訊業務處理完畢好接下來我們進行第十一目社會行政業務原列兩億兩千四百八十七萬四千元裡面有張宏祿委員張志倫委員提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
14953.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
14981.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
張志文委員有做文字修正齁兩個都是凍結五十萬我們是不是就有共識就一起凍結五十萬就好了好不好他凍結一千欸他有文字修正五十萬好難得有共識那這一這一第十一幕齁我們就直接凍結五十萬好今天書面報告厚實的動之好接下來處理主決議齁包含第 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
14984.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
14996.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
第84案、第87案、第89案、第91案、第96案、第98案、第99案、第100案 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
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104 案 107 案 均照案通過那第85 案88 案 90 案94 案 95 案 97 案101 案 102 案 103 案105 案 106 案 108 案 109 案文字修正組決議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
15032.267 |
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15044.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
那測案的部分 第86案測案 第92案測案 第93案測案王洪威委員新增第110案主決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15051.334 |
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15057.484 |
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我有請示過招募我先去請示招募我今天早上跟他講他說可以他覺得比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
15065.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
15089.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
市長不是有請你們去溝通嗎?市長不是有去溝通嗎?我被他騙了一條,我跟他講說不要啦,你講這樣以後就不能處理了我說好,聽他的話,結果我自己看新針,沒了沒了怎麼沒有給部長?市長不是有去溝通?是董事長還是馬市長? |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
15100.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
15106.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
不是要加其他補會嗎?不是要加其他補會嗎?那市長看過啊一些好多那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15125.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15127.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
這個是剛剛出來的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
15146.297 |
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15172.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
不好意思因為我現在才看到提案跟王委員報告一下因為我剛有特別提到目的事業主管機關大一部分都不在內政部那還有其他的部會那因為那個王委員提的第一案的部分就基本工作基本行政工作維持的分支計畫然後就講到沉浸式的體驗的白皮書這個大部分是在經濟部那有提到消基會的部分或者是消保的分支行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15176.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15190.49 |
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但是整體的提案會變成說有關密室逃脫包括什麼互動情境體驗場所這個變成好像是我們要處理我覺得可能我們要超出部會的權責這個文字上面我們大概沒有辦法做這樣的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
15191.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15206.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
要不要做一些文字溝通,文字修正好不好我這邊有建管跟消防的部分、機關部分,禁訴提供可改善的法律規範嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
15209.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15227.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
報告委員現在的消防規範大概都不是困擾建築規範也都不是困擾真的是目的事業主管機關才是比較大的處理的狀況我們大概都有做一下很基本的review所以這樣子的話可能有跟其他部位相關的不是我們的權責能夠cover的 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
15229.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15255.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
應該就是說如果要做文字修正的部分是黃委員的最後一段請內政部應競訴與地方政府這邊我們是不是加其他部會要不要把經濟部列下去可以啊我這邊本來就是相關主管機關競訴與地方政府相關主管機關會商那就把地方政府及經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
15257.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15267.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
文化部等相關主管機關會上運動部要不要 健身房密室跟運動部好像沒有關係部長講到那個勞動部我覺得也應該放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15284.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15293.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
那個蔡署長這裡好像有一些文字署長你說明一下我補充一下這個是台北市政府的這是台北市政府的要那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
15303.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15314.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
真的喔,國藝真的有給你比較特殊喔你看還在改,我早上不是說我要送而已差那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
15320.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15346.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
他都沒想到我在嘉義在台北我忘了寫他跟我說不要啦你假如在北壘都會我們要一視同仁我剛剛說那我剛才也對他甜言蜜語沒有我沒有那下次我知道要甜言蜜語 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
15349.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
我是可以來說 蔣緯 不好意思我再賣一個 再加一個他跟我講說 不要啦 不一定這樣他現在想說 我們吃了以後 都沒有吃那個雞肝奶的軟膩我聽他這樣說 我也可以吃食物結果我不是吃錯啦 我不是勤怨啦 我是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
15379.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15384.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
我怎麼看到有新增的我才要說下次你幫他簽本來就沒有問題,這種地方的民生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15404.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15415.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
我跟她講 她說不要這樣會讓他們去趕回 等一下回來處理這一條我們先審訊出來我們要不要結束啊還有郭東平跟那個還有郭東平他現在他會說你現在趕過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
15424.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
15426.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
自己說的跟你現在說的一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
15439.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
15457.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
15460.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15460.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
謝謝觀看 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
15477.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15481.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
這裏面是跨越跨越跨越跨 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
15497.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
15500.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
這個針對就不額外,給他啊他們沒有來,他們沒有來 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
15521.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
15541.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
市區搞不好吃喔 奧哲能拿起來嗎奧哲啦我等他吃奧哲要不要叫他小胖子他講我都不知道你怎麼找他我好像有看他的LINE我有啊我怎麼知道好 時間到了你要不要再讓他來就好不然他還沒得吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
15544.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
15546.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
這裏有個奶瓦你現在睡覺了?在車上,在車上你叫那個紅樓,二樓嗎?那個紅樓,二樓對,對,對,對 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
15576.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
15576.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
好 |
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15599.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
15624.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
第11目的部分第110案我們在做文字的調整跟第一項回到一開始的內政部部分的第一項內政部第一項原列133億的部分有委員堅持刪除的部分我們先做保留其餘照案通過等一下再回來處理這個組決議謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
15651.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
15656.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
我們請國家公園署署長先做最近公園的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
15660.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
15690.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
好進入預算的部分國家公園署及其所屬稅出部分第六項國家公園署及其所屬原列42億6912萬8千元第一案張志文委員改組決議第二案撤案好那我們進行第二幕後好 |
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15702.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15716.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
抱歉,稍等一下,這邊坐一會兒啊第九呢?第九也改主席了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
15720.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
15722.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
應該是還沒有簽 |
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15742.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15763.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
好第二幕的部分吼我們現在有第三案第四案第五案黃婕宇人作為文字修正那還有第九案啊第七學信委沒在喔簽名的好第七案作為 |
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15770.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
15777.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
第七案文字修正第九案以上四個案我們來做一下發言請張志文委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
15781.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
15792.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
好 謝謝張偉我針對國家公園署第二幕國家公園業務有關於休憩管理業務裡面有一個預算是115年編列大型的國際研討會耗資2000萬 一場就2000萬那我們比較擔心是不是有這個 |
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15802.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15829.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
預算這個分配的問題那希望國家未來還是要資源有效運用不要排擠國家公園最核心的業務就是要保護資源保護環境所以我們想說是不是凍結500萬希望說大家來討論一下請單位來討論一下這個國際研討會的到底的內容是什麼為什麼要到2000萬還有具體的效益為何那是不是可以提出專案報告後 |
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| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
15833.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
經得同意後始得動之後 以上來請署長說明一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
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跟我們報告這個國際研討會是辦理國家公園來講的話事實上是我們要把我們的環境介紹給國際能夠帶動國際的觀光跟國內的觀光所以這個部分我們辦這個國際研討會是邀請20幾個國家他的國際旅行社到台灣來然後我們針對於最近國際最夯的就是低碳 |
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15861.579 |
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的旅遊以及生態的旅遊我們來邀請20幾個國家到台灣來辦這個研討會然後我們會準備我們所有的高山到海洋的這些彩線團給國際的這些旅行社來看那我們當天除了研討會以外我們也有一些彩線團帶國際的這些旅行社出去看所以這個部分上次跟委員報告過 |
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15887.378 |
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15893.039 |
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我們目前已經招標了,所以拜託委員這邊不要動五百萬,謝謝委員 |
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15910.66 |
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好 我覺得啦大家也都是要為國家公園好啦阿剛署長也這樣講那我覺得有些東西不做也不行啦尤其國家公園這個我覺得啦 我建議啦我們是不是所有委員的案子我們並案處理啦我們凍結一百啦 |
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15937.067 |
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15950.435 |
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董一百我沒有意見我說現在流下去滾滾的你們的公園要滾好沒錢不要看國家的公園好不好以上謝謝委員謝謝張志倫委員我們凍結一百萬好不好 |
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我支持完美會委員講的好好管理國家公園謝謝好那我們第二幕國家公園業務原列兩億八千四百一十八萬三千元我們併案凍結一百萬經書面報告後始得凍之那其中第八案改組決議第十案改組決議第十一案改組決議 |
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還有第12案改組決議第6案也改組決議進行第三幕國家公園經營管理原列31億5122萬9千元 |
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16013.417 |
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16032.709 |
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我先說明一下第15案撤案第17案撤案那第14案改組決議第16案改組決議剩下第13案張宏祿委員有沒有意見那位改組決議 |
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好第三幕國家公園經營管理原列31億5122萬9千元照案照案通過第18案第22案改組決議第19、20、21案經文字修正後改組決議好國家公園處理完畢 |
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16065.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
來國土俗 |
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16101.209 |
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16110.894 |
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中國都市看能不能你們叫我們去參加就是扣查 |
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好 我們國土署因為第二項有點意見可不可以從第一幕開始先處理 |
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16154.662 |
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第一幕開始比較沒有意義的我們先開始處理國土署及其所屬第一幕非營業特種基金原列101億283萬2000元有兩案第四案廖千祥改組決議張志榮委員當決500萬元請張志榮委員先說明謝謝 |
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主要還是針對當時各地方政府對於現在國土功能分區的劃設標準跟範圍還有爭議我們是有農地權益的補償機制現在還沒有確定我們是要拜託國土署 |
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16199.19 |
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16225.994 |
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這個因為每年有編列相當高的這個基金的預算那希望說還是要加強溝通機制化解地方的疑慮那所以我們是希望說這個基金的運用可以符合預期所以我們來做出就是凍結500萬的部分希望說像趕快向內政委員會提出專案報告經同意獲實的動機那這有跟國土署都有溝通過以上 |
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署長請說明一下業務內容這個基金的部分其實每年持續都有在跟地方上面做一些相關的宣導包含一些剛提到的一些圖館的部分還有一些那個土地使用會影響到一般民眾的一個關係那因為上次這個部分有跟委員溝通就是改書面OK好 |
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16266.051 |
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好謝謝曾志文委員也同意那我們第一幕的部分非營業特種基金原列101億零283萬2000元我們凍結500萬金書面報告後只得凍資我們接下來進行第二幕一般行政原列11億6700萬6000元有第五案完美會委員改組決議 |
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16290.212 |
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第六案、第七案,來張志文委員跟張宏祿委員,謝謝我先說明張志文委員已經文字修正後凍結一百萬,好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
16304.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
16319.7 |
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好 那個我簡單提因為時間的關係針對300億元這個租金補貼制度因為大家可以看到過去新聞還是有乍領的一個問題那我覺得內政委員會的委員給國土署很大的空間不管是行政金費用也給 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
16320.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
16339.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
然後購置高階資訊設備的經費我們也通過了那是不是請國土署講一下說你們未來怎麼去勾結去防止這個弊端的發生來嚇阻來讓工奴我們的工廠不要被爛化所以是不是請國土署這邊簡單跟大家分享一下 |
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16341.732 |
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16369.591 |
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2點一個是目前的一個資料勾結借到一個相關部會的這個部分已經完成速度很快那就是說另外還有一個撲款的部分我們現在每個月都會做檢核因為有些是他可能他有時候他的那個所得或是他的薪資在這個月會成長成長以後就不符合就是類似這些會馬上從那些資料回饋過來就比較不會有這個在議領的這個現象這個部分已經這樣做那另外針對一些房子他有可能 |
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16370.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
16387.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
一個小房子他租了四五戶的類似這些奇怪的現象這個部分我們有透過大系統裡面去抓抓了以後也請那個縣市政府去檢查這個部分有在某些縣市有一些異常的數據發生我們就從那套系統裡面可以看得出來其實我們慢慢在檢討這些狀況的一個改善 |
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16393.364 |
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16404.21 |
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好 張委員看署長這樣講啦 我覺得啦我建議啦 就是病安處理啦凍結50就好了啦 不用100啦可以嗎 志榮委員 |
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16409.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
16419.942 |
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好 那我同意黃立委員的看法好 謝謝張黃立委員跟張志倫委員那我們第一頁目一般行政原列11億6千7百萬6千元併案凍結50萬 |
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16426.147 |
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16445.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
經書面報告後時得動之第三目國土管理業務原列291億7261萬2千元裡面第八案第九案第十案第十四案十五案十六案十七案十八案二十二案 |
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16448.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
16450.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
23案、24案、25案、26案、27案、29案改組決議其餘議案有王美惠委員、張宏祿委員黃婕委員丁薛忠委員不在我們就不處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
16476.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
16491.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
黃婕委員、張黃富委員、王美惠委員有沒有要說明黃婕全部併案凍結100萬好那第三目國土管理業務原列291億7261萬2千元我們併案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍資 |
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16506.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
16520.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
我們進行第四幕區域及都市規劃業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
16534.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
16548.853 |
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緣列716萬4千億啦好 參謀立委員改組決議第四幕就照列好 我們進行第七幕 都市基礎工程業務 緣列70億9406萬2千元其中31案 32案 |
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16564.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
16577.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
36案、38案、40案改組決議33案張志文委員文字修正凍結100萬、35萬、張宏祿委員凍結50萬 |
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16584.823 |
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16607.858 |
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39案不在39案不在,不處理好,那張宏祿委員、張志倫委員,謝謝這次張宏祿委員先啦我沒講啦齁34文字齁34項文字修正,凍結好啦,我覺得啦,就只剩張志倫委員或美鳳委員跟我啦我們整目處理啦,平安處理啦,我們就凍結照張志倫委員的100萬啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
16630.533 |
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那我們其他議案因為還有包含完美會委員還有另外的做文字修正的議案我們併案第31到40案除了改組決議之外我們就併案凍結併案凍結100萬其餘預算在列 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
16643.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
16644.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
16667.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
16679.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
我們接下來進行第八目下水道管理業務原列28億1857萬7千元第41案第45案第47案第48案第49案第51案第52案改組決議第42案第43案文字修正第44案張宏祿委員凍結50萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
16719.169 |
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第46案、第50案、第53案委員不在,我們不處理,那我們請王美惠委員跟張宏祿委員我一定要整目所有委員的案子並安處理,凍結50案 |
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16721.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
16725.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
沒有意見齁 好 我們第八幕下水道管理業務 原列28億1857萬7千元併案凍結50萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
16734.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
16751.537 |
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主席,我沒有意見,因為我要下水道的管理業務現在可以在這次的選舉中成功所以說我們現在的界外當中,要更加進步了醫生看北省他們最近看的事情,你保護他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
16771.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
16785.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
去嘉義考察一下好那第八幕我們就處理完畢接下來就是主決議的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
16788.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
16801.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
第五十四案五十五案五十八案五十九案七十一案七十二案主決議這案通過第五十六案五十七案 |
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16804.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
16829.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
60案、61案、62案、63案、64案、65案、66案、67案、68案、69案、70案作文字修正通過還有第72案主決議也作文字修正通過好我們來處理兩個洪宏威委員今天新增加的提案回到剛才先處理回到剛才那一個主決議 |
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16853.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
16857.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
59案又改成文字修正,不是這案第59案改文字修正,處決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
16862.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
16889.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
我把我把兩個組決議處理完我們再回來第一再回來再回來第一項保留的部分對不起是第二項保留的部分那環環會議委員剛才的第110案組決議文字修正同意好同意沒問題那 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
16911.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
我們現在這個案子的主決議第七十四案第七十四案 國獨署早上新增的部分王洪偉委員的主決議也做文字修正通過好 可以 沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
16917.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
16932.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
主席這樣不行,你收時間就不能再新增了,你給黃薇新增兩件沒有沒有,我就是要拜託她這件可以...氣氛這麼好,來黃薇委員黃薇委員我們很少這樣啦,但是為了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
16941.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
16954.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
最後一項第二項國土管理署及其所屬第二項的部分是不是可以讓業務單位先做一下說明原來喔你有做鋪陳喔你們先說什麼先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
16959.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
16972.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
這個部分我們就是每年度都會做一些下水道相關的一個然後也會去透過一些相關的廣告那經費其實每年大概也都是編這些額度啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
16974.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
16998.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
好 我要講一下 其實昭北就是用心良苦可是你們去年的這個沒宣費就是我們所擔心講的過度集中比如說你們其實像去年的沒宣費大概也只有幾百萬但是如果你去看你們的沒宣報告你們是非常集中在民視跟三立 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
17000.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
17024.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
民視跟三立都會拿到幾百萬的標案但是其他的媒體不管是其他的是電子媒體也好或者是文字媒體也好大概一個案子大概都是十萬以下看起來就變得只是廣結善緣所以我意思說國土署的你們的沒宣費有過度集中的問題 |
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17026.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
17048.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
對不對所以我知道召委是希望說能把那我在這邊齁既然召委這麼有心那我就檢列檢列一百萬可不可以蛤不要檢啦沒有因為其他單位我現在是需要啦不要這樣啦沒有因為其他單位其他單位我都有檢列什麼意思那你要我保留啊 |
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17056.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
17078.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
凍結我第一次拜託你的我就知道你給我甜言蜜我簡略改凍結可以嗎我簡略改凍結就沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
17084.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
17099.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
好那我們國土管理署及其所屬第二項國土管理署及其所屬原列503億6477萬的部分我們就改王洪威委員第二案我們就改凍結100萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
17103.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
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凍結100萬可以啊好 經書面報告獲取的凍資 謝謝謝謝 謝謝 謝謝今天美化UH維持主席我們先講一下就是剛才的第74案因為那個張志仁委員也有幫我連署他想知道一下就是就這個主決議我們內政部的態度是什麼可不可以說明一下 |
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就是對我們那個300億元中央擴大租金補貼專案就從今年開始對新生兒家庭因為現在百分之限於今年出生的今年出生但是因為我們已經接到很多的陳情那我這邊是提高到延伸到三歲 |
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17151.248 |
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不然的話對去年底出生的那baby就沒有這樣子的一個補貼 |
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17187.538 |
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請他們能不能講一下你們的態度那個委員我在答詢的時候已經跟你講了我們要跟衛福部對齊一下資料有就是說不是由我們能夠完全決定那如果說委員有這樣提案我們還是跟衛福部來對齊一下資料那如果說我們跟衛福部意見不一樣的話會報到政務委員那邊要做協商也就是說我們還是一樣如果你資料沒有對齊的話未來還會發生很多其他的問題 |
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這跟委員答詢的方向是一樣的所以你這邊寫內政部跟衛福部等相關主管機關還是一樣我們還是一致要延伸為原則好嗎因為你沒有對,那個委員大概也同意嘛沒有對齊資料的話這樣子哪個部會在處理事情來都會有一個參差不齊的狀況 |
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17218.302 |
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好 謝謝部長我覺得部長很正面看待這個紅衛委員的提案那我是不是說時間可不可以再縮短一點三個月可不可以再縮短一點 |
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都沒有問題我們去跟衛福部商量但是他們大概還要做很多評估的作業那個跟委員報告不是說我跟衛福部講一聲就好了他們一定會評估說你新生兒到底有多少人然後你要花的經費是多少那現在的預算呢公務預算能不能支出他一定會算這個東西而不是說我告訴你大家都同意不是這個樣子啦我們還是審慎來評估 |
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王委員寫三個月你現在縮短成兩個月衛福部我沒有辦法跟您說啊我剛有提到就是我們的程序的處理我們會跟衛福部來報告然後再來如果我們跟衛福部的意見不一樣的話我們再報到政務委那邊做協調 |
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因為兩個月跟三個月都一樣啊好不好那個最後的答案都一樣才對啊跟兩個月三個月提報告沒有什麼太大的關係剛才我們國土署的這個沒宣費你們今天真的要謝謝召委那但是你自己回去看那個報告因為我其實我在做三件我都會看每一個單位就是去年執行的狀況你們非常非常的集中那集中度非常高比其他單位高 |
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所以我希望你們在今年度執行 |
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但是我們單位是是延續的所以在你執行的時候因為我提出這個問題也許你都還沒有注意到好不好就是你們今年度再執行那我有明年預算我還會審嘛對不對又是這樣子對不對就抱歉啊好好謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
17360.224 |
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好 謝謝王委員的提醒那我們預算就處理完畢115年度中央政府 欸 對不起請問各位委員討論事項第一案到第八案有委員提案的部分照剛才協商結果通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列有沒有異議沒有謝謝 沒有異議我們就通過 |
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17361.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
17378.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
本次通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理好沒問題謝謝115年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部部分115年度中央政府總預算案關於國土管理署及其所屬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
17404.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
國家公園署及所屬建築研究所部分115年度中央政府總預算案內關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款內政部國家公園及所屬國土管理署及所屬部分115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分 |
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17406.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
17426.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
關於內政部主管作業基金營建建設基金實施平均地權基金115年度將政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金研發及產業 |
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17428.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
17454.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
迅除替代益基金國土永續發展基金115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金黃瑞景先生獎學基金胡元周女士獎助學基金部分均已審查完略拟據審查報告並同本委員會審查 |
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17456.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
17462.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
知其他部會審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會好 |
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17475.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
17492.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
內政部韓盛財團法人228事件紀念基金會財團法人威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復基金會財團法人台灣建築中心財團法人台灣營界營業所 |
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| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
17519.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
財團法人中央營建技術顧問研究社等五家財團法人115年度預算報告案內政部含送國家住宅及都市更新中心115年度預算案審查完略拟據審查報告提院會公決不需交黨團協商並推本席與院會討論時作補充說明沒問題 |
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17525.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
17536.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
關於客委會、中選會、黨場會等機關預算預定於5月27日或5月28日進行審查所列預算提案請於115年5月22日星期五中午12點截止收件,預示不後 |
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17554.953 |
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我提早講啦有五天啦有五天本次議程處理完畢現在上會 |