| IVOD_ID |
17428 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17428 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-11T08:36:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-11T11:19:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:42:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd979b49e85773c2c6af9b1f37204a89c6b7b695d4fecf9ee9ba656780bfcb60ad5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算。
二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款-交通部主管第1目交通部。
【本次會議進行處理；臺灣港務股份有限公司、航港建設基金預算提案截止收件時間：5月21日下午2時；國道公路建設管理基金、觀光發展基金預算提案截止收件時間：5月29日下午2時】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:15 - 11:19:00 |
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谢谢观看 |
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好現在我們初期委員已經到達法定人數我們現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第十二次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年五月六日星期三上午九時至十二時三十九分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員李昆澤等十四人列席委員鍾嘉斌等十二人列席官員交通部部長陳士凱等主席黃昭吉委員建豪報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一至五 |
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審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於1.交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算2.國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司營業預算3.民用航空局單位預算4.民航事業作業基金分預算5.桃園國際機場股份有限公司營業預算本日會議由交通部部長陳士凱等報告後既由委員洪孟凱等18人提出質詢軍警部長陳士凱等及相關人員分別予以答覆 |
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決議一報告及詢答完畢二委員黃婕及洪玉祥等二人所提書面質詢均列入記錄並刊登公報三委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆四討論事項第一案至第五案均另定期進行處理委員預算提案於五月十四日下午四時前截止收件散會宣讀完畢 |
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好 請問各位委員 我們對一事錄有沒有意見如果沒有意見 謝謝 那我們一事錄就確定好 那我們先來介紹在場的委員我們黃建豪召委陳青銅委員洪孟凱委員邱若驊委員李坤哲委員徐富奎委員 |
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1778.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1800.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
那我們也介紹列席人員我們交通部的程士凱部長公共運輸監理師胡迪奇市長陸正及道安師呂東林市長交通科技及資訊師呂文玉市長行政司韓正華市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1805.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1830.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
交通產業發展及國際事務司陳其華司長我們會計處的黃宏文處長秘書處李武強處長我們公路局的林福山局長高速公路局陳文瑞局長鐵道局工程管理組副組長吳派鴻 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1833.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1859.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
我們台鐵的鄭光源董事長桃園國際機場范孝倫總經理台灣港務公司周永輝董事長還有我們中華郵政江瑞堂總經理行政院主計總署公務預算處的莊委曾益聖莊委 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1864.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1880.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
我們現在進行討論事項115年度交通部單位預算及直轄市縣市政府一般性補助款交通部主管第一幕交通部預算的處理我們現在進行協商同時請議事人員宣讀預算書及委員提案 |
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1924.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1934.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案交通部稅務來源別預算書第二款罰款及賠償收入第144項交通部244萬元第三款規費收入第117項交通部 |
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1943.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1967.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
292亿4441万元第四款财产收入第156项交通部10219000元第五款营业营业及事业收入第七项交通部237亿04443万元39000元第一幕营业基金营业缴付75亿6015万5000元第二幕投资收益161亿 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1970.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1975.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
44284000元第七款其他收入第153項交通部159274000元 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
1981.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1994.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
交通部主管交通部稅出機關別稅預算數第14款交通部主管第一項交通部好各位員因為我們今天的提案比較多我們就先邊宣讀邊進行今天的預算提案審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
1999.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2016.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
如果大家有意見我們就開始來進行我們的稅路我們先看稅路的第一至二案第一案跟第二案第一案第一案北京有提第一案請交通部注意我們的棄產費今年度是編列292億2000多萬 |
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2023.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2033.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
但是我們在過去每一年度的預算數其實最後執行的數目遠高於預算數所以我認為這個稅路編列有一點保守本期提案是增列5億要不然你多出來的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2041.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2049.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
跟委員報告我們今年的那個棄燃費就是改名後的養管費我們其實今年已經自行增加了3.67億如果以這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2065.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2084.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
整個數據來看其實115年的那個稅務的編列其實跟112年到114年的一個決算數的差距已經非常的小了大概只有大概10億左右那所以這樣子看起來其實我們已經沒有低編的一個情形了那再來就是說因為其實今年有美國關稅的議題也有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2088.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2103.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
戰爭的議題所以用油的成本大幅增加那今年的電動車的量可能也還會增加那如果以我們從今年一到四月的一個數字來看其實今年的那個氣燃費的一個收入已經減少了就是跟去年同期就已經減少了1.1億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2105.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2125.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
那再來就是說如果用領排數來看的話其實今年領排數也較去年都減少然後再來就是說領排數減少就已經是一個趨勢了但是電動車的一個比例又增加所以其實這樣一來一回其實今年光是能一到四月能少收 |
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2126.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2144.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
能徵收的已經將近有五千輛的一個差距所以如果以今年整體算起來可能又會再少個比去年再少三到四億元所以這個部分是不是請委員能夠同意說不要增列那或者是好有沒有意見其他委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2145.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2164.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
如果沒有意見的話我們第二案就不處理第三案第三案交通部的稅出預算陳雪生委員不在那委員不在我們就不處理第四到五案稅出的通案 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2165.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2168.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
請曾委員主席 各位同仁 各位列席人員那有關於我們的第四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2185.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2209.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
就是我提出我的部分應該是屬於第五案啦那是有關於我們這個媒宣會媒體政策業務宣導會這個部分那我們看到在整個去年的一個交通死亡的一個死傷人數所佔的比例並沒有達到原來預算媒宣的這樣的一個目標顯見 |
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2215.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2241.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我們交通部在整個進行媒體宣傳的這個部分交通安全的宣傳的部分這樣的成效未能達標那也有可能就要造成我們在整個執行的一個過程當中沒有精準的來執行這樣的一個預算的一個必要的一個目標那我在這邊建議 |
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2243.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2268.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們的一個部分我把媒宣的部分我們提前910萬6千元這邊我主張3.5百萬中結良辰這個部分最主要是第一個我們的媒體文宣費用基本上不要浪費真正要用在我們的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2270.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2293.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
讓我們的國人能夠來確實了解交通安全的一個重要那凍結的部分是希望我們的交通部能夠因為凍結有所精進有所精進那像本委員會提出這個專案報告完之後那我們凍結當然就可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2294.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2305.55 |
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執行那以這樣的一個預算審查的一個原則所以我在這裡主張就是3.5百萬凍結良產那以上報告好 其他委員有沒有意見沒有的話請交通部說明委員好首先感謝委員對道安的一個重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2320.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2348.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那我這邊特別說明雖然說道安我們去年確實沒有達標可是我們改善的幅度跟減少死亡的人數已經在加速已經在加快這樣子改善的幅度那第二個委員報告的是我們的民選費用並不是一般的業務的民選我們主要是在宣導重要的交通安全的觀念讓國人知道那特別是針對弱勢用路人像高齡像兒少像行人這個都是我們特別在加重的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2348.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2365.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
一個沒宣的族群那還有第二個就是法規的宣導那從去年的那個大灣改善的狀況來看各族群的用路人的死亡人數都在降這個是過去比較少的而且降的速度剛才我提到降的速度已經在加快了 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2366.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2377.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那雖然說還沒有達標可是我們會再持續努力啦那這個時間點這個埋訓的費用對我們至關重要那請委員支持我們的預算喔那是不是可以允許我們就動10%然後來提出順便報告 以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2387.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2405.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我想這個登陸交通安全我們真的很重要這一點我非常贊成所以我採取凍結的方式凍結的方式是要請進我們交通部真的去好好的一個作為讓我們使三個人數再降級沒有錯暫時沒有雜標 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2408.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2422.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
那為什麼我去刪減呢?刪減的部分最主要我們今年的預算跟去年的預算是同後一致的如果沉入啊我們交通部剛剛所言這樣的預算這麼重要而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2423.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2438.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
人本的一個安全國人的交通安全 生命的安全我們更應該對這一個預算更加的重視那三省這樣的一個過程我想過去我們交通部再跟我 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2439.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2454.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
這邊也沒有做一些詳細更進一步的說明坦白講那在這個過程當中那重點的部分我們還是維持良誠這個只要我們把如何盡盡的作為提出來就絕對 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2455.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2478.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
可以的齁 重結一層跟重結20%是同樣道理的啦齁這我 我在這裡報告那刪減的部分我目前絕對是主張這樣除非我們交通部再進一步的跟我辦公室跟我來做一些詳細的說明好不好 我們有關預算刪減我可以有一點保留但是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2478.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2480.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
在今天的討論我決絕主張刪除好不好好以上謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2497.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2500.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我們會趕快到委員辦公室向委員來做詳細的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2515.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2543.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
或者是可不可以讓我們科目自行調整一百萬讓我們科目自行調整我們一定會到委員辦公室去詳細的說待會我們請李貢哲委員發言好有關於交通部相關的預算案就是媒體政策與業務宣導會那其實最重要的就是相關交通政策以及安全的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2544.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2572.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
宣導那這個關係到整體的交通政策對於國人宣導的成效那在目前我們在之前要求交通部相關的交通肇事的事故這個死亡率每每造成了國人家庭的一個嚴重的傷害跟衝擊那也要求交通部每年要以5%的這樣的一個下降的 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2574.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2598.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
成效來減少這樣的一個死亡的人數那等一下請部長簡單說明一下我們有經過相關的努力不管是政策的一個宣導安全的宣導以及相關交通法令的一個制定以及相關的這些道路的安全實際的改善都有實際在推動那相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2599.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2627.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
法令的教育跟宣導這個就是跟我們的媒體政策以及業務宣導會關係非常的密切那其實在過去我們一再的督促交通部針對跟日本的這樣的一個重大交通政策建設宣布的一個交通的公關就是重要政策的一個宣導在日本是做得非常嚴謹而落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2628.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2651.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
在過去我們就一直說我們相關的這個宣導費其實編的是不夠高部長我要再提醒你我們的這個相關的媒體政策及業務宣導費其實是編的不高所以我們對於相關的交通政策衝突的這樣實行或是宣導不足都會造成民眾的這些混亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2652.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2672.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那當然陳青龍委員也希望能夠落實相關的交通改革來保證這個政府政策宣導能夠跟社會接軌這個督促的用意是利益良善那我是建議就檢列本鄉的預算兩百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2674.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2686.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
然後凍結10%書面報告後一個月內提出相關檢討報告並且向陳青龍委員來做親自的說明希望大家能夠同意以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2688.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2712.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
好 謝謝 請徐副委員謝謝主席我想這個媒體的宣導我認為非常的重要那尤其過去我看交通部在宣導上面因為我們說實在的這個六度跟肺六度的成相落差非常的嚴重而且加上資訊的傳遞也有很明顯的一個落差那我個人認為這個經費不只不應該減少 反而應該要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2715.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2727.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
我想我也多次在委員會有特別跟部長提到說即使尤其我們鄉下地方針對這個老人家也好或是一個學童也好也應該加強一個像我們這個公和據點的宣導跟校園的安全宣導這個經費明顯我想應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2730.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2759.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
交通部比較客氣 變料太少了 應該再減少一點那我當然我也支持我們參議員提的這個應該要精準使用跟頭髮那我是個人也是贊成我們崑澤委員的一個提案我們足以3減200萬 那凍結10%那我覺得應該交通部針對未來怎麼樣精確的一個預算的一個使用然後加強一個非六都跟我們這個偏鄉的一個宣導的部分能夠提出一個具體的說明 好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2759.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2774.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
好 謝謝這樣好了 看起來大家都同意喔 應該佐以三減那我想 不然我們就三減三百萬然後凍結十趴啦因為你有三減又要凍結 凍結十趴其實蠻多的你凍結開 凍結開可以啦然後我們要順便報告 因為狀況報告我們沒有時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2787.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2791.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
第二輪我們媒體的媒宣費也會做一些統籌主席趙偉如果在這邊確定要刪減那我就主張刪減 堅持五百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2809.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2835.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我剛剛已經表明我的善意其實這個叫做免宣非常重要我們委員也都認同也都認同那覺得在這邊一定要三當然我不要我絕對尊重主席但是我還是認為因為每個人主張三件事不一樣不一樣那免宣我們在第二輪我們還可以做一些統籌的一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2838.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2850.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那是不是那我還是主張那個重結數我改成10%沒問題好不好重結數還是三五百重結數10%我們這樣重結10%然後一個月內提書面報告這樣可以嗎 |
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2857.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2875.496 |
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好 如果各位委員沒有其他意見 我們就3減500萬 凍結10%可不可以科目自行調整科目自行調整 讓他們自行調整然後一個月內提出書面報告 適得解凍接下來我們看 來 趙偉 警方趙偉趙偉 抱歉 那個剛剛孫子學委內案 他想要送協商可以嗎送協商啦不要在這邊處理 我送協商啦我知道啊 |
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第四到五案我們就這樣處理我們現在看第六到十二案陳青龍委員的提案 |
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沒關係啦 不過那個年度目標是5%啦不是7% 因為這個是我訂的 我知道是5%每年的死亡人數必須下降5%年度目標是5%啦 對好 那個就請予以修正 |
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就是說113點只減少3.18 會打年度目標是5%的一半也不是一半 就會打年度目標5%好 我們來看第6到12案我們的稅出通案無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫好 各位委員有沒有意見現在在場委員有沒有要發言好 重慶董委員好 謝謝主席有關於我們無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫 |
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我們交通部針對我們的幾個公司其實也是我們的 |
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還有交通部的國道公路局這邊也有編列編列了無人機的採購案 |
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那我想我在推行的時候也巡打的時候也有詢問我們的交通部我們各個負責人包括我們的董事長 包括我們的部長那五分之一的一個發展我們 |
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多了解這個整個過程未來台灣對無人機產業的一個精進一個投資我們也看到了中央政府經濟部投資了400多億來做這樣無人機產業的一個 |
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發展那在今年當中的預算我們發掘啊就能不小一下我剛剛講的那幾個公司分別分別有一百零五萬的七百一十萬的八百萬的當中真的總共有十千多萬有十千多萬那在這個過程當中我就統一說明因為我們好幾個國營公司包括了我們港務公司尋找的時候有時候要 |
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除了做我們的巡檢之外我們的港口巡檢之外可能發生火災可能也要來購買我們的消防型的一個無人機那我想港府公司過去我們一般的一個火警也沒有用消防的一個無人機那目前我們國內我們的無人機 |
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有沒有已經確定經過驗證經過驗證可以來使用用於效仿的這樣的一個無人機系統比如港澳公司有這樣的一個狀況那陶器公司我一直認為明明就在 |
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我們的進行區、限行區那你要啟用無人機作為使用當然我上次有質疑那個淘氣公司也會公務機關那我們淘氣公司跟我講我們淘氣公司是法人也可以來申請在進行區使用無人機嘛那是你的答案 |
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但是無人機的申請如果是法人好像要一個月前要提出吧等等這種疑問我在詢答的過程當中潮汐公司沒有辦法給很明確的一個答案那整個過程當中無人機對我們的救災、防災協助我們的這樣整個災害預防上 |
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我確定絕對有它的功能但是這麼奇怪就是每個單位編的金額這個差距太大差距太大台鐵公司一百零五萬就夠了國道我們國道編到 |
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3177.35 |
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變到一千多萬台灣港府公司變到八百八十萬那淘汰也是七百一十萬等等這樣的一個需求就我們這邊我是主張再沒有 |
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辦法來確定我們無人機的使用還有我們的一個購買的一個項目確定你要用你要購買什麼樣的無人機針對我們使用單位的目標目的跟它的功能能夠完全的一個使用這個部分到目前為止各單位接受交通部的補助都沒辦法提出一個明確的說明 |
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那我在這邊我提出了全數刪減 全數刪減 全數刪減那以上就是我的報告 謝謝好 李君哲委員全數刪減 那這個部分是大家必須跟進一步的討論 |
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相關的無人機的作為在交通部相關的預算跟計劃來說是一個很重要的方向因為我們這不是用於軍事或是相關的這種國防方面的這樣的一個運用 |
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這都是未來我們交通相關業務推動的一個重要的方向就是說例如台鐵的鐵路巡查我們針對鐵軌的軌道安全 |
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3309.113 |
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窮盡一切方法要保障旅客的安全現在都運用比較科技的方式不管是鐵軌的巡查或是相關的落實的偵測以及相關無人機的運用這都關係到我們相關的軌道的安全那機場沿區大家也知道有它的一個必要性中華郵政那我們在面對極端型氣候 |
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豪雨 颱風 我們偏鄉地區的這種油件物資的運送無人機在現在都扮演重要的角色而且目前我記得好像只有10台無人機一台大概只能運送5公斤左右我們都還要要求郵政公司必須要採購 |
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更大型的這樣的一個無人機能夠在安全的狀況在偏鄉的道路颱風豪雨受損的時候或是相關安全堪雨的時候能夠運用無人機將相關的物資油件即時的送到相關的災區這有它的一個重要性而且我們看到港務公司三港巡檢也是一個重要的安全的一個維護那 |
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國道基金相關的國道公路相關的無人機運用都是未來執行巡查一個重要的一個方向那我覺得相關的交通部對於無人機的運用是未來交通建設以及安全或是相關業務執行的一個重要的方向跟基礎交通部有責任 |
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尤其是航政司我認為航政司啊這個業務政策的規劃是一個主要的單位啦航政司是主要的一個單位那應該就各單位啊採購無人機的這個需求啊 |
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要預計的成效要進行妥善的一個說明我認為你必須要跟陳慶隆委員來說明清楚相關的我們採購無人機的一個重要的綜合規劃我們業務的規劃我們的這種需求到底是什麼必須要清楚的說明我再一次強調我跟陳慶隆委員都是要要求你們要清楚的說明 |
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無人機的尤其是航站師你們是業務的一個重要的單位必須針對無人機的需求以及你們的計畫必須要清楚的說明但是這不能抬啦這很重要的關係到整體國家的交通的一個推動以上的說明好 謝謝我們請黃孟楷委員好 |
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這幾個案我想要特別邀請中華郵政這邊再說明一下那今天是王國才董事長沒有來是江總經理沒關係我綜合說因為其實我剛echo一下兩位委員的一個講法 |
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我也認同啊應該要讓我們的遊物市方便快速然後重點是及時要送到但是剛剛我們有委員講到是說這個如果說颱風天災的時候無人機可以及時送可是我們現在看到的是沒有颱風風災 |
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3522.529 |
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郵務也沒有辦法及時送我先講一下兩個禮拜前在交通委員會我們在質詢王國才董事長還講說A7那個物流園區你到底怎麼樣那四月初大包大件沒有辦法運輸小件沒有辦法運輸檢驗你那個時候王國才董事長還在委員會誇胸口保證說找到問題了解決問題了 |
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3525.17 |
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3547.314 |
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結果上個禮拜我們中華郵政搬去A區物流園區之後這一個禮拜有沒有掛號沒有收到有 我們看到媒體上還是講所有民眾說崩潰一個禮拜掛號沒有收到所以我覺得這一個項目因為中華郵政後面還沒有但我必須要請我們總經理說明一下說到底出了什麼樣的問題這一個物流園區花200億 |
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將近200億國人都很期待我想我們站在交通委員會的角度我們是支持能夠有智慧物流園區讓我們的郵件包裹等等運輸更方便節省人力機器化的這個分流但沒有想到機器化沒有造成我們同仁的壓力反而現在同仁要調度過去加班來因應那不就本末倒置了嗎 |
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3577.057 |
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3593.212 |
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到底有沒有解決問題現在問題在哪裡以及能不能保證因為我現在對你們保證很沒有信心王國才董事長兩個禮拜前在這邊答詢的時候跟我們保證說找到問題會解決結果沒想到上個禮拜又出現這樣的大包 |
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3624.036 |
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那現在物流園區到底怎麼樣這個跟委員報告一下待會再統一 待會再統一回答謝謝 謝謝金總經理現在請黃建豪 趙偉發言好 謝謝趙偉這個無人機的案子大家也可以看一下其實我們有一個很大的困惑是說比如說台鐵你編105萬你要做鐵路巡查但台鐵的鐵路是全國環島鐵路變105萬好 那桃園機場公司然後跟這個港區的這個所謂的無人機巡查大概變七八百萬 |
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3640.563 |
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就是這中間的數字落差了一點但是到底這個錢編下去你是買無人機還這是執行業務的費用還這什麼錢就是為什麼你鐵路巡查就像我們提案裡面寫的嘛一百零五萬你做全國鐵路巡查嗎還是哪裡的巡查而已然後再來是說 |
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這個港區八百萬是指特定的基隆港而已呢還是你全台灣你只要港務公司所屬的全部都要做港務的巡查然後這樣編八百萬就是說你這個金錢編下去跟我們平常認知上落差實在太大你的這個編錢的方式邏輯我們沒有辦法理解所以這個錢到底花下去有沒有效益我們就要在意的點是這個所以我覺得這個部分可能要清楚的說明 |
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到底這些錢它的落差有的變一百零五有的變八百有的變七百那它到底實際內容是什麼東西以上謝謝好謝謝我們請陳靜雯委員第二次發言然後我們就請行政部門做說明好我在這邊做一個說明 |
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我們各單位目前的一個預算的編列這個說明真的不一樣我們坦白講就像剛剛黃建豪委員所談的我再來謝謝我們郭文貴委員我們對無人機隊的一個運用的一個支持 |
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我也支持 但是我也支持那是你預算編列的各個需求單位說明不違而且我一直認為他們本身就是國營公司嘛如果真的他有業務的需要 |
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他們應該自行就可以來編列預算那今天是有交通部根據我們這樣的一個計畫來可以補助那補助金額又不一致啦因為每個公司真的金額相差太多第二個未來的採購我也會擔心到未來的採購 |
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3740.126 |
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無人機的採購各單位有不同的功能需求根據到目前為止我們包括港澳公司包括郵政公司包括淘氣公司所談的每一個人他要的無人機的功能都不一樣 |
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那未來再採購如果必須要由共同供應契約來採購那共同供應契約到目前為止我相信包括無人機的品項啊規格啊單價等等啊也都還沒有一個規定出來所以目前這些價格我相信都是一個初估的啦所以我在這裡我如果我們各個委員 |
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3798.307 |
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坦白,對吳恩綺的預算有不同的看法那我在這邊我可以同意我們進入到第二輪大家再來討論,然後黨團再來協論 |
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3826.953 |
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首先非常謝謝委員對我們的提案的關心跟指導我想大家都知道我們現在無人機的科技發展越來越進步其實國內外都有許多無人機應用的案例其實在國內現行的不管是公路的一些巡檢或是橋單的巡檢已經在用無人機的一些應用國外也有很多物流的應用方面 |
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3827.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3852.259 |
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所以我們希望今年能夠來擴大來相關單位的一些應用那其實我們的這些編列無人機的預算其實不是只有115年其實我們是從115年到117年那各個單位就剛剛提到的不管是高中局或社會公司其實他都依照他自己的公司的特性跟業務需求分年來編列那我們今年編列的需求大概是4000多萬但是我們其實 |
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3874.879 |
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到117年總計大概會有將近1.2億的一個預算所以其實雖然看起來可能Maybe今天台鐵公司是比較少的其實它在未來年度還是有編列那就是第一點的說明那第二點的說明也很感謝剛剛委員有幫忙大概提到其實我們現在在無人機的應用除了剛剛提到公路的一方面之外其實我們在港區裡面也有做一些巡檢那甚至我們在 |
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港區裡面如果發生了一些船舶擱淺或是一些海難事件那造成油污染的時候我們可能也都需要靠無人機這邊去幫我們去做一些空中的一些偵測那這是另外一個部分那包括了在物流的部分其實在國外其實很多的一些物流的應用那其實剛剛委員有提到就是說 |
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我們現在因為極端氣候造成了很多偏鄉可能在氣候條件不好的情況下道路會中斷那衛福部其實已經在去年開始已經嘗試用無人機去做一些藥品的運送那我們也希望中華郵政能夠透過無人機 |
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來輔助來做一些一些不管是民生必需品的運送來協助偏鄉解決這些道路中斷的一些問題那第三個部分就是我們其實這個未來的採購會依照工程會他現在已經訂了一個工程供應契約那有一些相關的規格 |
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那所以我們未來的各單位也會依照他們的需求去採購所以會一些依照法規來做律定那所以我們是不是建議就是說我們會再把我們各個單位他想要做的這些無人機的採購計畫相關的內容跟未來的執行成效那我們做成一個三個月內提出一個書面報告那建請各位能夠支持然後我們先凍結十分之一以上報告好 謝謝好 我們再請李坤澤委員 |
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昨天晚上我有跟董事長還有副總處長昨天晚上有到A7去看一下 |
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那目前就是說因為我們A7是5月4號台北郵件處理中心愛國動物這邊搬到A7這邊來那剛好是第一個禮拜那第一個禮拜當然就是你的工作場所跟你的機器設備還沒有完全的熟練那是一個適應的期那昨天我們去看了一下結果最後就是我們的限時郵件都有封清包裹也有封清掛號大概有7萬4千多千今天早上就可以處理完那所以到第一個禮拜所有的郵件應該可以順利的 |
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把它解決那再來就是我們董事長的意思就是說第一個禮拜就是說大家一起還在摸索那第二個禮拜就是要完全上軌道那如果按照現在就是說郵件處理的量就是說我們一天一天處理的量應該可以就是說後來後續的 |
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在進來的時候我們應該可以順利的運作那當然我們會要求A7的那個在現場的工作人員就是說要就是原則上就是要按照我們的郵遞失效標準把這個郵件就是說主體的把它除掉200億的園區那你們之前都沒有適應率 |
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都有試營運 其實已經試營運兩三個月了那結果你現在跟我們講說第一個禮拜過去 所以說沒辦法那還有這個你過去這個禮拜其實都是讓同仁你看一下網路上那些同仁的那個抱怨然後說調動資源加班等等的這一些其實都是你五月四號什麼時候要簽過去其實早就計畫好了嘛 |
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那怎麼會說到上個禮拜簽過去之後又發生這件事情然後結果大家又措手無策然後再調人員來我覺得這個是讓大家覺得是說你整個營運計畫完全沒有執行到位 |
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的狀況那最主要就是說五月四號過去最主要就是因為我們有廉價是勞動節這樣廉價三天那廉價是突然跑出來的嗎不是不是那就是說因為有突然就是累積三天的量那所以就是說去的時候一直就是當天沒有辦法處理完那所以就是有一些積壓啦那不過到昨天為止應該積壓的情形支援的人力已經回復了沒有 |
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資源人力目前就是因為A7它是在那個體育大學站那一邊不像本來我們在那個處理中心這邊地點比較方便所以那個地方其實有一些外包一開始其實外包在招的時候也不順那後來雖然有得標但是人還沒有完全補足這是外包的部分那另外就是因為我們那個A7那邊的 |
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員工的出入大部分就是透過季節那季節最晚一般是11點半那有些員工你為了讓他能夠下山那可以江總這些我覺得都因為你今天不是今天才決定要去歸山是幾年前就已經確定地點花200億去那邊蓋蓋完之後你 |
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過去三四年四五年你早就有完整的計畫去調整如果說該跟集結溝通該跟其他這些交通運輸工具溝通你都應該要溝通不是突然間這個禮拜上線發覺說這個沒到位那個沒到位然後延宕我們所有包裹嗎 |
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因為剛才孟愷委員講的就是我們在委員會裡面資訊的時候提出來很多的問題點那就像我們其實有市移運其實時間很長了那200億的預算你要做這個園區其實前面的規劃時間也非常長那市移運也找出了一些問題那你剛剛說的這個五一勞動節其實這節過了那過完以後到現在為止包括比起剛剛聽您在這個說明 |
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其實還是沒有說明到你後面現在怎麼處理現狀到底解決了沒有那就本席知道現在看到我們基層的員工還是抱怨臉臉就是你的人力現在還是一團混亂的那你看從那一天發生這個狀況董事長來這邊備詢到今天 |
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其實這個問題還是沒有解決啊那花這麼多的錢那做了一個這樣的園區造蔣這麼大的預算你應該有更好的一個這個計畫在裡面那預算給了你以後出這麼多的狀況所以為什麼在這一趴我們都要講到A期因為你現在又要再來要的預算其實大家就會質疑嘛你到底有沒有執行預算的能力喔所以到目前為止我覺得主席是不是應該他要就是部長這邊要再講清楚一點目前目前此時此刻我們的問題到底解決到哪裡你還要多久的時間可以讓它登得上軌道 |
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好不好等一下我們先謝謝外面的委員所以我們先回來處理預算但重點要證明你這個你現在那個業績的問題這引起你員工很大反彈這個你確實要你確實要處理我那個應該好好的來跟我們相關有關性的委員來做收入好不好我們先回來各位我們先回來處理這個預算好你跟著委員 |
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A71的問題當然是跟無人機的相關的計畫推動是兩件事不過在討論的過程裡面其實我跟侯孟楷委員 萬明林委員都是同樣的對於郵政公司處理A71園區的這種沒有效率相關業務混亂以及對員工權益的不夠重視其實我們都是非常有意見 |
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不只是我們我也看到部長的臉色非常的嚴肅跟沉重部長必須要好好的督促郵政公司A7的園區相關混亂的狀況員工的權利沒有得到保障必須要盡快的得到改善那我們回到無人機 |
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各個單位都必須要跟委員來說明清楚無人機的這樣的一個運用的重要性那當然相關無人機的採購都有政府採購法相關 |
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非常嚴格的一個規定不管是採購的流程以及相關的標準都有相關的法律來制定我先針對高工局高工局無人機的重要性高工局就很清楚的 |
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標示出來你看我們全台灣國道上面有2410座的橋樑那很多的橋樑在國道上面它是跨河的以及它是高樑柱的這一種橋樑 |
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他就必須要運用無人機來檢視他相關的一個安全另外我們在國道上面我們對於車流的分析對於運量的管理還有國道設施相關的巡檢以及國道的相關如果發生重要災害現場的這種處理或者是調查的時候無人機都要扮演很重要的角色 |
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無人機是很重要那各個單位高工局能做得到其他單位這個部長要督促委員有提出這樣的一個質疑是沒有錯陳靜雄委員對於這個相關無人機的說明認為你們不夠清楚這是沒有錯的 |
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除了高工局少數的單位有做清楚的這樣的一個說明之外其他單位呢都有它的重要性我就說郵政公司無人機就很重要啊這個部長要好好的督促啦不過我要提醒各位委員無人機真的是非常重要因為這不是國防的議題啦這個是 |
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交通相關建設的安全維護以及進步啊一個重要的方向無論幾啊真的要好好的來維護他推動的方向以上好謝謝我們檢訊國務委員 |
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謝主席我想上一次委員會我也特別有提到說這個不管是台鐵也好或是中華郵政其實我們第一線的基層同仁人力已經很吃緊那在業務推動上面確實也碰到很大的瓶頸那當然我也認同剛剛我們幾位委員提出這個對於預算的編列部分確實我們交通部跟相關單位應該在檢討比如說像我們現在台鐵鐵路巡檢 |
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變了105萬到底要做什麼應該我覺得也是變得太保守了啦應該是因為我們的這個鐵路的軌道這麼長應該要怎麼樣針對這個無人車載具的部分搭配我們第一線的同仁怎麼樣增強這個巡檢的一個密度跟這個時間我想應該要重新再檢討 |
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那第二個對於這樣的一個刪減之後我想對於第一線的同仁我以為是雪上加霜你把整個台台按基層的同仁還做不夠那萬一未來發生重大的事故的時候誰要負責任我想我記得上個禮拜針對離島的部分我也聽到陳雪生委員他也贊成無人機要來針對馬祖的部分要來強化所以我想這個應該是要支持這樣的一個預算謝謝 |
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好 謝謝各位委員的意見那我們就來處理因為我們6到12案對無人機載具的這個統籌型計畫各位委員提案有刪除也有凍結不過一致性的是大家都非常關心的其實也是支持無人機載具對於陸來空運的一個未在未來的一個應用那我們是不是就採凍結但是對於我們委員提出的那個相關意義 |
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我們請相關部門應該在一個月內提出說明好不好好好那各位如果沒意見我們就動10%啦好28全數我在這邊我還是提出來 |
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整個預算都可以討論 繼續可以討論那無人載具產業發展同俗型計畫這個整個是中央政府的一個重點計畫我們也認同我們也認同那就我們台灣民眾黨黨員來講整個無人機今天不是交通部交通部有配合這樣的一個採購的一個計畫那我們 |
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這個部分是不是我們就送協商二輪再整個處理因為我們還有其他的部會我們還有其他的部會都沒有同仇好那我們就送協商了這個協商我必須再一次很嚴肅的提出說明了無人機如果我們鐵道的安全 |
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沒有靠無人機來做協助如果出問題的話我們承擔不起相關的國道或者是公路局相關的橋樑相關的無人機所扮演的協助的角色越來越重要如果有出問題我們承擔不起我真的要提醒各位 |
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這不是國防議題 不是意識形態的問題不要聽到無人機三個字我真的是必須要很嚴肅的提出說明無人機對於交通安全的維護以及進步是扮演非常重要的角色這不是一般的議題 我必須明確的說明 |
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謝謝坤哲委員 現在委員我們就凍結20%然後請交通部一個月內提書面報告來向各位委員說明好不好對你這個計畫以及以後的這個計畫要怎麼樣來執行規劃 |
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好那我們就凍結28一個月內提議書面報告好我們第13到21案我們也併案處理交通科技研究發展好各位委員有沒有意見好許諾可委員 |
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謝謝主席我想我上一次也在委員會特別提到先那個Grab跟那個使用中華華為深度合作的一個案子尤其他們使用的是阿里巴巴的阿里雲我想這部分部長也很清楚知道我們對國安的疑慮所以我特別提了這部分希望先凍結100萬然後請教徒們針對這樣的一個資訊安全跟國人安全的一個疑慮的部分應該要清楚說明避免造成我們這個國安的危機 謝謝 |
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謝謝好我們請王建豪召委好謝謝召委我提的是16案這針對就是說因為我今天在討論無人駕駛的部分的科技的相關的規範那想真的國際上現在已經走到R171的規範那像包括歐洲像這個荷蘭最近前陣子有這個無人自駕車上路的這個規範上去那它針對第二階段的這無人駕駛有新的規範 |
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但台灣呢是在2025年才全面實施R79的是舊版就是說我們2025年才全面試用就是已經是舊版的東西這跟國際上的落差其實蠻大的讓我們知道台灣的這些無人車的相關的這些軟硬體在出口還有電子零組件的確都很暢旺但是這些東西這些科技反而在台灣不能使用 |
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所以在進行相關研究的時候我也想要凍結原因是因為我覺得我們的學者我們的專家學到底對於國際趨勢到底新的法規有沒有辦法跟上這個應用我覺得應該要去提出相關的報告我們希望我們做出來新的研究新的法規面在科技上面要能夠跟上國際的規範而不是還在適用舊的法律規範所以這部分我把它提出凍結 以上說明 謝謝好 謝謝請外媒委員 |
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好 謝謝張瑋我的案子是第19案那19案我們看到這個850萬的預算其實是跟這個資安整備有關係但是這個資安整備其實本來我看到上面寫的是希望對於工業控制系統的防護能力那希望在關鍵基礎設施上面有些資安的問題的時候我們起碼都要做到在事前能夠有一些安全上的防護那在事情發生的時候我們可以有一些緊急的應變 |
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那包括他事後我們應該怎麼復原或怎麼善後等等其實重點在這裡但是我們看到其實預算有不過呢我們看到在115年的4月5號那發生了這個高鐵無線電被一個大學生害入 |
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隔空就可以觸動這些警告系統那也造成了三輛列車的一個暫停那影響了非常多的這個乘客所以可見現在我們交通部對於治安的防護上面我覺得預算下去以後但是到底我們能夠做到什麼地方那這個部分我覺得可能要說得更清楚一些所以在這樣的一個這個預算上其實本席主張是不是能夠凍結25% |
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然後在一個月內如果提出專案報告之後讓我們知道說這個資安我們到期未來是不是能夠達到我們原來可以預算的目的那我們再來通過 |
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好謝謝王委員接下來請邱若凰委員好謝謝主席本席提問是第十七案那卻比預算八百五十萬是要做收集國際交通科技的發展動態然後還有趨勢法治研究那這些當然很重要可是目前交通部對AI的使用民眾比較有感的多半是科技執法違規取諜容易讓大家覺得AI只是拿來開罰單嘛 |
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那AI在交通上也應該用來改善塞車還有提升公共藝術品質預防事故保護高風險路段那這些才是民眾希望看到的效果那另外AI還有涉及像自駕車各自資料使用法規修正問題那目前沒有看到交通部還有提出明確的規劃所以本席提案凍結這筆預算百分之二十要求交通部在三個月提出AI在交通領域的具體應用計畫以上 謝謝 |
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謝謝邱委員好我們請行政部門來答覆來好這邊大概跟委員做一個報告那剛剛許委員提到那個GraphDeep的問題那我這邊工業司有提供給我資料目前台灣的圖資 |
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內政部已經有產制那我們也有限制他的使用的範疇不會有危害國安的情形請委員放心那剛剛黃委員提到的第16案的部分就是那個我們的法規的部分那我們這邊部理工運司這邊他已經都都都都同那個車安中心 |
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他們也有參考聯合國還有歐盟最新的規定現在已經非常積極在研議駕駛人輔助控制系統一些檢測的一些基準草案那非常積極的一些開會就算陸續就已經像最近就已經開了三次的會議我們跟相關的工協會跟相關的業者有討論相關的一些草案那還有一些技術性的部分那後續的話我們會更積極的來依據法制的作業來完成相關的一個程序 |
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來對應到國外的一個最新的一個標準我們目前正在積極辦理當中那剛剛那個萬委員提到的那個資安防護的部分的確我們這個問題我們現在其實是非常嚴肅在看待現在在安安的浪潮之下其實資安的威脅其實與日俱增特別現在的新興科技可能都是一個攻擊的一個破口 |
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所以事實上我們交通部這邊我們跟速發部我們甚至跟國防部我們都做一些聯防的一些演練所有的情資也都做一些分享那這邊的部分我們有一些配合那個剛剛陳委員陳慶隆委員有要刪我 |
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這個可能的部分就是他有提到說我們的這一些情資的部分是不是會有重複事實上沒有的事實上每一年的話情資的話部分都會做最新的情話來做一些更新那剛剛邱委員提到的這個AI的部分 |
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那因為AI基本法在今年1月14號總統公佈之後 速發部有做一個AI的一個風險的一些分類那我們部裡非常積極對應的做一些我們的使用規範跟管理規範這些規定的話 我們目前計畫都在進行當中 今年 |
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今年都會有一些成果來出來我們跟部跟部署機關現在都在積極推動當中所以在這邊是不是懇請委員能夠建議梅雨山檢病案凍結十分之一我們會很期很非常詳盡周延的書面報告以後來動之以上 |
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好 謝謝說明各位委員因為我們大家關心的十三到二十一案的交通科技研究發展我覺得我們很多委員提的問題其實交通部都應該很嚴肅的來看待處理包括有治安的問題還有說你未來願意科技運用我們拿來你給人家負擔多少這不是嗎民怨非常大大家對於科技執法交通科技執法印象都很壞 |
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各位委員提的大概都是凍結案有10%、20%、30%、40%不然我們就來裁定我們本項目就統一凍結20%了對各位委員所垂舉的項目我們一個月內就跟各位委員說明或提出說明報告好不好好 謝謝各位委員我們現在請大家我們再關心22案到30案一般行政 |
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現在說明來不及啦 我就是砍一百萬 |
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這沒有重複的這是沒有重複的就是違背案的話其實我們都會請專家學者來提做考慮實施案啊報告陳委員之前其實都有去說明只是不一定有見到委員 |
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都有到辦公室去說明過有跟主任報告過了外賓專家的出席費和審查費是這個費用嗎一個是委辦計劃本來在執行過程中 |
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新興科技都是跨領域的我們要做落地應用一定要找一些顧問來做諮詢那他們計畫送到我們交通部我們一定要找外面的專家學者再去審他的計畫所以應該是甲方跟乙方的關係這個沒有任何重複的問題 |
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一個是委辦計劃本來就要找顧問來做諮詢那一個是我們要做一個審查 |
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那對不起那個剛剛的決議都尊重委員那另外第16案的部分最後一行字那個提出書面報告並經同意並經同意那幾個字可不可以建議刪除提書面資料我們就同意我也聽同意才是了好我們謝謝 |
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接下來我們大家來看22到30案 各委員有沒有意見我們第22到30案 一般行政提案委員有黃建豪 邱若驊沒有 都沒有意見嗎請黃建豪召會沒意見是召我意思嗎 沒有 今天補充 |
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三十案我是這樣子啦我當然著山了這個大概十分之一的這個經費當然是因為一直想強調說用開源軟體那到底有沒有確實在執行我覺得交通部作為這個很重要的一個部會我覺得相關的這個你們在使用軟體的部分這是小錢但是我覺得說在態度上要展現出來所以我著山了三十一萬是一三十分之一而已那如果你們能夠去運用開源或免費軟體的話 |
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這是政府在推動的東西如果你們能夠拜託做示範或是相關的國營事業或相關的業務單位大家都能夠做到所以我覺得這部分應該是不多啦那我希望說法流這個31萬我跟黃委員報告一下就是我們這個開放這個等一下 待會 你要說明要主席同意監察委員有沒有意見好 我們請教導委員 |
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其實這邊提的是第二十四案嘛那預算是1762萬那我提了減列100萬那政府因為是政府這幾年一直要求機關節能減碳也要求中央機關要帶頭示範可是交通部115年度的水電費不但沒有下降反而比去年還增加6% |
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那雖然水電的價格可能會波動但交通部身為主管機關應該從行政管理還有兼備用地的習慣來做起而不是直接增加預算所以本期題簡列一百萬以上說明希望交通部可以落實啦好請說明來 |
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抱歉剛剛太早說了那個30案黃委員的這邊的建議開源軟體這個部分開放格式我們都非常的支持其實我們交通部跟所有的部署機關每一年都有定一些達標的一些目標那每一年都有做達標的情形都非常的良好那這個ODF這從我們其實部裡的同仁都其實我同仁上送來的公文都是ODF的公文 |
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請各位放心 各位委員放心我們這個都是照這樣的一個規定來做執行是不是可以免許 三件 謝謝委員請說明 這邊密室付就剛才這個項目的話各委員的提案我們先做注意的報告那二十二案洪永凱委員提的我們就遵照辦理 |
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那次二十三案黃昭偉提的就是關於我們的社群平台的運作這部分的話之前提案是訂到118組決議那二十四案這個部分就是也是黃昭偉提的那之前有溝通過是不是說第四段的你針對剛委員發言的部分水電費現在是剛求到委員關心的水電費的問題 |
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第二次試案確認好文規的話之前有跟我們辦公室溝通過啦因為他這個部分的話因為我們因為我們的鎖定費用的話是從114點開始分三階段調整他的漲幅是在17%之間因為我們電費的話是屬於基本營運的需求 |
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我們是根據台電實施的漲幅標準來做實際的要求當然是委員也要求我們做一些高效率的空調及照明的措施其實我們從110年開始開始初步更新我們的LED的照明設備那最近的話也在做我們的冷凍空調的冰水主機的一些更換那這些都會符合一些潛能標章以上報告 |
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那就是說之前我跟委員辦公室那邊他們同意說調整說凍結十分之一好 各位如果沒有意見的話我們水電廠不能夠凍結十分之一因為其實它一年平均漲價也超過十趴啦它總數增加六趴那建考委員的它是有三組有凍結嘛來 請黃召委謝謝召委 不好意思那個二十七案喔 |
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就是你們有沒有那種就是我們針對公有的一些老舊建築沒有在使用的部分我們排點出來所以把它列出來說359萬還是說你們有堅持 |
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所以你們一定要使用這些建物,然後你們會把它活化到怎麼樣的?有嗎?就是你們這些老舊的,然後沒有再使用,等於蚊子館、蚊子屋嘛,你們要怎麼去處分這些東西?我覺得白人每年編了幾百萬去維護,意義不大,所以才這樣灼災一些錢,那你們看交通態度是什麼? |
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謝謝委員指導關於說我們金管的宿舍及辦公廳設置也都超過20多年了就我們現在的辦公大樓它的防火設施什麼都已經老舊現在在逐步開放 |
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那至於說剛才有人講的是一些金管的一些維護的一些台電或是說中華郵政那些設施應該是部署機關他們到時候可能會郵政的話他們會做一些維護或做捐贈那至於這個部分這個預算列的話是自己我們自己本身的那個宿舍及辦公廳設 |
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那我只是建議這邊之前有跟委員那邊溝通是三檢的話改凍結十分之一提書面報告後時都凍結好 謝謝這樣好了各位委員跟各位委員報告我們來處理啦因為一般行政項目我們就統一來凍結10%因為它包含項目非常廣泛但是對於委員有提出的相關的質疑我們請交通部這邊要用書面報告一個月內可以嗎 |
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好那我們就第22到30案一般行政我們就統一凍結10%其他針對各位提出的問題請你一個月內順便報告提出時得凍結接下來各位我們再來看31到102案我們併案處理 |
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我們來處理交通運輸規劃及產業發展好 各位委員有沒有意見好 請巡護各位委員謝謝主席本席提出第31到35案那31案的部分是針對我們這個交通事故這個死亡的人數跟這個行人到路交通事故的目標的部分當然這個交通部很努力但是還是沒有達到 |
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計畫一個設定的目標所以我提出凍結一千萬提出書面報告第三十二案針對我們現在這個兔子會旗下的電動公車採用這個華為的一個晶片那我們也要求交通部針對所有的電動公車的廠商 |
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應該嚴格審查這樣的一個零件晶片零件是不是有這個稀產地或是毀造產地的狀況造成資産漏洞所以提出一個查驗的一個機制那也一樣提出凍結一千萬那33案的部分針對獨駕事件的頻繁造成這個高風險的一個行為影響到這個我們的整個這個交通的安全 |
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也造成這個保險的一個負擔那我們要求交通部應該比照這個金管會延伤這個高風險駕駛人的保費加收機制提出凍結1000萬上次案針對這個交通部我們針對電動機車也好汽車也好這樣的一個充電跟一個普及率的部分應該要強化一個 |
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推動的一個動力要不然沒辦法達到2030年電動機車的一個占比35%的一個目標所以我也提出凍結1000萬第三十五案針對公路局取消小綠園奔跑變成閃爍這樣的一個問題造成新穎的一個緊張未來這樣的一個全面改制到底是由中央或是地方來負擔目前也沒有進一步的說明 |
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我想針對這樣的一個統一規範應該有一個進一步的一個說明然後避免中英跟地方不同調所以我提出凍結一千萬那也這五個案子也請交通部提出一個說明報告之後 使得動之好 謝謝好感謝 其他委員還有意見嗎好 請李君澤委員君澤委員後再請黃建華召委 |
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第59案我看我們114年度的大陸交通事故的統計跟113年來做比較事故的總件數是增加了8425件 |
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我們來看事故的死傷人數兒童0至12歲的死傷人數少年13至17歲的死傷人數高齡者的死傷人數都是有增加的趨勢我是建議要凍結預算100萬一個月內交通部必須要明確提出如何降低整體交通事故提升兒童、少年、高齡者的交通安全提出書面報告後解凍 |
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那也請部長等一下要初步的說明一下為什麼114年度的跟113年度的來做比較有這樣明顯增加的趨勢好 謝謝 請黃建豪召委 |
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好謝謝主席謝謝趙偉那個我先針對出國旅費的部分因為出國旅費當然他們後來有來說明就今年就是2026年115年確實已經派人出國但是因為前幾年121314你們都變一樣的預算然後一樣的出國旅遊然後都沒有執行所以我本來在審預算的時候是先把它這個刪除了那如果說你們確實有這個需求 |
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我覺得用凍結但是要說明一下到底你們出國考察的成效就是我國的交通到底有沒有真的跟得上這些先進國家我覺得這是你們必須做一個說明好那再來是針對62案我比較堅持就是這個所謂刪減案的部分 |
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到底交通部現在對於機車兩段式左轉你們的立場跟態度是什麼因為這個部分涉及到你們編的錢要去宣傳要去教導民眾怎麼去執行怎麼去騎機車如果你們持續的去宣導 |
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兩端是左轉那到底跟交通部現行政策是不是符合因為根據很多研究不管地方政府還是根據一些學術機關研究兩端是左轉取消兩端是左轉反而降低了車禍率降低了死亡率這部分所以這個東西到底是交通部的政策還是你們要持續推廣我覺得這個是一個政策的分水嶺所以我把它提出來我覺得說你們要做一個明確的說明所以我目前希望這個部分還是把它堅持一下把它刪除相關這種宣導等到你們確定了要怎麼做確定要往 |
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持續推到兩半是左轉還是有一天你們覺得說這個機車不用兩半是左轉這政策你們評估出來然後正確的方式要怎麼去執行我就再去執行這個業務項目以上謝謝好謝謝我們今天請陳樹越委員然後再請萬明林委員發言好現在請陳樹越委員發言 |
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謝謝主席本席針對就是交通部在一百一十五年交通運輸規劃及產業發展向下道路交通安全編列的預算三億八千四百二十九萬四千元這筆預算本席是提案凍結三千萬因為我們看到行政院在就是針對這個道路交通安全定有國家道路交通安全綱要計畫希望就是說在二零三零年行人的死亡人數要下降 |
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50%2050年道路交通事故要零死亡這樣子的兩大政策目標那為了達到這樣子的兩大政策目標就是每年定有逐步下降的這個要達成的目標那原定在114年我們看到就是在整體死亡下降的這個目標是要下降10%那行人死亡是希望下降15%那我們看到這個統計數字實際上 |
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去年整體死亡僅下降5.5%那行人死亡僅下降了6.8%所以我們看到就是說對道路交通安全的一個改善仍有加強改善的一個空間那尤其我們看到這個道路交通安全事故的類型這個獨駕的這樣子的一個事故最近非常的嚴重尤其在彰化縣就近期內就發生了好幾起的這個獨駕事件 |
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造成了非常重大的一個傷害所以我們希望就是說交通部要針對就是改善交通安全以及加強交通事故防治以及就是針對這個強化獨駕執法及時性與配套法規完善化這個部分能夠提出書面報告後時的動之謝謝 |
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好謝謝請萬美玲委員發言好謝謝召委那北溪這裡有三個案子那第一個案子57案我們看一下這個案子其實是希望能夠朝向降低交通事故然後往臨死亡的這個願景來邁進這個願景雖然其實是非常 |
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大的一個任期但是其實應該要逐步去實施可是我們看到預算下去了以後那拿出幾個數字113年我們看全國事故的部分的死傷人數有527,300多人那114年我們增加到53萬然後6,900多人那這個不減反增 |
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將近一萬人那我們再來看就是大家很關注的行人死傷的人數也從一百一十三年的一萬七千一百六十二人那一百一十四年又增加了一萬七千兩百九十五人增加一百三十三人所以看到其實不管是在事故或者是行人的死傷其實都是不減反增所以這個預算的執行時有檢討是必要所以本席主張凍結這個5%然後專案報告之後使得凍支 |
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那接下來我們再看到八十案那八十案的這個部分的話呢我們是針對台灣新車安全平等經濟的一個計畫所編列的預算那當然這個平等的計畫是希望來確保道路使用車輛的安全性也提供消費者一些新車安全的資訊等等 |
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但是当时我们在112年我们来核定这个计划的时候有要求交通部要检讨相关的法规希望业者能够来负担这个平等相关的一个费用使这个制度将来能够自给自足可是112年到现在4年的时间了没有看到交通部有提出任何相关的法规每一年我们还是要编大笔的预算在这个上面我想还是一样需要检讨所以本席主张在这一案上面冻结预算1000万 |
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一樣希望能夠提出一個專案報告之後 使得眾知那再來我們看到第89案好 89案的部分呢一樣 這個預算其實是希望能夠促進智慧運輸系統的落實還有相關的服務普及那利益都良好希望能夠強化中央跟業界的一些合作的關係 |
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但是我們看到這個預算其實在112年的時候我們的執行率其實當時是83%那113年的執行率86%可是114年的執行率竟然降到下降到了40.42%所以這個部分的話我認為交通部應該要來檢討為什麼這個執行率會大幅的下修下降那還要除了去檢討之外我們應該也要提出相關的解方那這個預算我們通過才有意義 |
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所以希望這個預算能夠先凍結15%那等到這個報告出來以後那我們使得動之 以上三案謝謝好 謝謝那我們就請交通部來做說明跟委員報告 剛剛許委員有特別提到的是那個32案的部分那我們會配合委員的意見因為這個部分那個 |
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現在我們為了審那個大客車的一個案子大概有兩個分組一個是那個交通安全分組一個是屬於國產化的分組那這個部分經濟部已經就國產化的部分再做一個釐清了那我們會依照那個經濟部的一個處理來做後續的一個安排那再來是33案的部分是有提到那個 |
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強制險的部分我們其實也有跟金管會那邊有在溝通金管會已經有規劃高風險的加費制度所以這個部分金管會已經有在積極的處理了再來是有關於鼓勵電動車輛的部分這個部分我們大概跟經濟部跟環境部都有相關的一個合作 |
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經濟部也訂了一個第三期的車輛能耗的一個標準及管理規範那我們也請那個環境部那邊希望他在年底前有溫室氣體效能的一個排放標準那我們自己也在部裡面也在做相關環境的一個部件讓大家有更便利的一個環境所以這個部分大概我們會持續跟三個部會來做合作 |
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那另外就是剛剛那個黃委員有提到機車兩段式左轉的部分那機車兩段式左轉的部分 |
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那個依照我們現在依照規定大概原則上都是依照標示標線來優先依照標示標線來行車那如果沒有標示標線的部分呢那我們大概是以內車道就是三車道以上原則上是會有保障兩車道以上的一個機車使用的一個權益的一個保障那兩段式左轉的部分當然也是會依照這樣子的一個規劃那 |
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那另外我們那個運輸研究所也有相關的研究在進行中那我們想我們會依照運營所的一個計畫研究的結果我們來做後續的一個規劃那再來就是陳素月委員有提到獨家的部分那其實我們大概有跟法務部內政部警政署大概都有相關的一個合作在推動那像今天下午我們就會再檢討相關的一個獨家的一個法規的一個檢討 |
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那另外萬委員有提到那個TNK法規的部分那這個部分其實部裡面一直都有跟相關單位在做溝通那只是目前就公佈法自費強制自費的部分大家還沒有一個具體共識不過我們已經都已經透過各種鼓勵的措施就是像我們可以讓他免費有標章免費的數據作為後續研究的一個需求所以這個部分 |
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我們還會持續來檢討相關的法規那至於那個國立自用的部分那我們也會持續辦理 |
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好 各位委員這樣好了 各位委員我們這對交通運輸規劃及產業發展謝謝各位委員的關心那我也請交通部要用書面寫得更詳細來對各位委員來做說明因為各位委員提的幾乎都是凍結案純健康委員 |
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謝謝主席在這裡我第36案的部分我重解的部分待會就有主席有關於 |
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我們入鎮業務的督導考的部分凍結的部分我這一點我也是主張凍結就由主席這邊來裁示那另外87案87案我主張就是有關於我們交通藝術規劃及產業發展我們的年度預算有2億8千150萬那在這個鄉下的邊內 |
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有關於智慧運輸系統發展建設計畫這裡有用於我們辦理的一個業務會跟委辦會那經常我們的這個業務會跟114年的用途我們的一個計畫幾乎沒有顯出的一個差異整個計畫是一模一樣 |
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但是我們編列的金額大幅增加了630萬633萬7千元就是計畫一樣但是我們的預算就增加633萬第二個就是我們的尾半費尾半費就是在我們的設備跟投資整個資訊軟體硬體設備費編合4千萬 |
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但我們查的結果一百一千元就本年度的計劃只要就既有的設備做這個開換硬體的開換這個也很單純 業務也單純所以整個預算我們覺得增加了這六百三十幾萬這樣的一個預算有忽變之 |
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所以我在這邊主張整個計畫跟去年度是一樣那預算是不是就保持跟去年一樣所增加的六百萬我們就以三減這是我主張的部分那凍結的部分我尊重我們主席召委的一個凍結數好 江東部委員會意見陳建復委員87案要三減六百萬來請說明 |
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呃陳委員的部分那這個部分其實我們的提到的這六百六百三十三萬刪減六百萬的部分我們有去跟他們主任做溝通我們同意做這樣的一個刪減我們應用上沒有問題好至於剛剛提到的 |
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我們的那個TDX那個運輸平台的部分那事實上跟委員報告一下其實這個的大數據資料庫其實已經有140億次的解決我們有4800個資料集我們今年收納更多的資料進來而且有更重要的資安防護的需求要納進來還有AI代理人的這樣的一個AI agent的東西要進來 |
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所以我們現在有提供超過600個應用服務所以這個部分的話我們推動上是都有一些具體的績效跟委員報告那我是不是可以同樣回覆剛剛萬美元89的案子說我們去年的智慧運輸執行率只有40.42%的部分那這個去年是一個很大的一個特例啦 |
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因為去年財化法剛過那我們中央對地方這個補助的這個機制還有一些補助的一些原則那時候還沒有辦法很快的一個確定那同樣這個在執行過程中還有地方的一些自籌款的配合所以執行上會有這樣的一個困境那今年我們有做一個檢討我們今年其實在去年我們就開始啟動相關的一個專案那今年其實我們的預算是先緩後快我們會確保今年的執行率一定都可以快速的把它拉升上來 以上 |
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好 謝謝我們請其他委員先發言好 我們接下來請陳樹業委員發言好 陳樹業委員發言來 橘子潔委員 |
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好 謝謝主席那本席有針對就是交通部交通運輸規劃及產業發展向下的台灣新車安全平等基金計畫這一筆預算我是提案凍結十分之一就是十趴那這個部分就是說因為我們知道我們要達成淨零碳排及能源轉型的國家政策目標 |
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政府有推出多項的優惠措施鼓勵國人購買電動車提高電動車輛市售比及市占率可是我們看到就是說有關這個台灣新車安全平等的這樣子的一個評鑑部分這個電動車的評鑑相對於這個油車可以說遠遠不足我們看到這個評鑑的數量非常的少所以我們是希望就是說針對電動車的一個評鑑我們這邊是不是可以提高這個評鑑的 |
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這個車輛讓國人在購買電車的時候可以有比較好的一個參考所以在這部分我是提案 凍結十分之一希望消防部在一個月內提出書面報告後 使得凍結 謝謝好 謝謝 接下來請徐志杰委員謝謝 我的提案是那個58 58頁那個交通安全 |
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那兒少的交通事故在114年上半期14461人比去年同期還高然後高齡族群也一樣 |
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去年上半年是三萬九千多人那也比在前年同期還高那顯然我們交通事故這個風險沒有有效降低那是不是請交通部就是這個部分要再加強那我的借地是就是凍結四百萬等那個數位報告後時的通知 謝謝好 謝謝那我們請萬美林委員發言然後接下來請劉淑檳委員發言 |
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好 謝謝本來89案其實我們剛剛說明完以後我想就是凍結然後盡量把執行率拉高但是剛剛說明完以後我覺得越說明我越不清楚了就是說你今天執行率就是這麼低但我沒有聽到剛剛在報告當中說明當中 |
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去仔細講出來那到底我的質詢力低到現在這樣子中間的細節產生了什麼問題那你未來你又要去怎麼樣的去把它提升上來那我只聽到的時候又要去扯才華法這樣那當然我希望說能夠更多的這個說明上面是能夠講出來說我今天到底40%40%我們都覺得低嘛而且覺得低得離譜嘛 |
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這如果說你是比較下降一點喔那受某些因素影響或許本席還可以接受但已經低到低到已經是腰斬了那我認為說就是這樣帶過本席這邊不太能夠接受這樣的說明喔那我希望等一下能夠再說明更清楚一點並且把相關的檢討能夠拿出來講一下會比較好一些好不好 以上好 謝謝請劉書斌委員發言 |
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好 這個案子是由陳清榮委員來提案我是當初的一個發想者那在五六十一案當中最重要是針對辦理道路安全資訊查詢網頁更新維護廢棄遭案事故統計數據這部分它涉及到的是這個統計的在做死亡人數的統計的數據上面的這個有嚴重的瑕疵是在於 |
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他把他的這個數據呢跟衛福部的數據上面來講以交通事故來講的話這邊兩個同樣的時段當中的差距有到大概有311條生命巨大的這樣一個差距這顯示出來憑空發出來發明了一套這樣子大幅低估死亡率的這樣子一個新的統計方法那第二個原因要去 |
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刪減的一個理由是說呢交通部要也是改變了死亡判定的標準而國際通用的這個標準呢道安統計標準是30日內死亡但是交通部的這樣子對話宣布說未來每個月的死就是說他病人是採取這24小時之內死亡的這個基準 |
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那當然啊 有時候死亡並不是檔案死亡是因為他本來重傷啊然後重傷 甚至最主要的原因是因為他的 因為車禍而造成他的死亡所以這樣的數據又會被嚴重的低估如果這樣子的一個更新維護跟大案事故統計的這樣的數據的標準是可以隨意變化並沒有任何科學標準也不符合國際的標準的話那絕對是要叫做刪減的這是我們說的第61案那想要講另外一個案子嗎 |
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主席我現在講第60還有一個是65個案子65個案子是針對交通運輸規劃及產業發展的計畫名稱針對它的媒體宣傳因為在媒體宣傳當中對機車組是有強烈的歧視跟刻板的印象其實很多問題的產生並不是只有機車組而是 |
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可能是都相關的當事者都有那特別是因為車子的一個大車的緣故那被刑措神說應該遠離大車要自己安全可是可能重點是大型車的這種轉彎它的動力機械駕駛進入應該對它做嚴格的救責跟再教育等等的都是沒有做合理的一個救責之後就 |
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就是對於在宣傳上面對機車族的這樣子一個不公平那另外對還有一個就是宣傳費的長期是把錯誤用車種分流其實更重要的是還要用國際監視採取車數分流等於說我們對於這種判定的標準這宣傳的判定標準呢又沒有跟國際來去接軌所以這部分呢 |
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導致真正要解決問題的時候沒有對症下藥因此我們本席跟陳經理委員跟其他的連署的委員就主張的是要三減一千萬的預算謝謝我們請教導部說明 |
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各位委員大家好杜珍大灣市這邊針對剛才很多委員關心大灣的狀況我想做一個統整的說明首先就是委員有關心到說去年好像死傷人數有增加我想可能要分開來看我們死亡的人數是全面下降所有的指標都在下降 |
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那傷的部分我還是一樣把它區分細一點來說明我們並不是全面的在上升傷的部分我們22個縣市裡面有15個縣市的傷是在下降 |
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那有七個縣市是在上升所以基本上這個並不是全面的在上升那我們交通部已經特別針對這些在上升的這些地方我們針對他們的地方的特性還有為什麼會上升就是受傷的部分我們會特別去輔導特別去了解他們的狀況所以七個六都裡面是哪兩個哪幾個 |
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六都就是台北市跟新北市在上升台北新北在上升那這是剛才委員關心的部分 |
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剛才委員提到兩段是左轉就是我知道委員可能關心最近在學術期刊有一篇文章在發表那其實我們我知道那篇期刊是特別針對台南市那是台大農經系的一篇期刊我想首先感謝 |
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各領域的人對交通的關切不過我們也收到很多從交通運輸領域的老師給我們的回應那很多老師給我們的回應跟那篇期刊是不一樣的那特別是我們上禮拜跟運輸學會去做一些簡單的交流運輸學會也告訴我們說那篇期刊的內容他們並不會太不太他們也是有不一樣的意見 |
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所以甚至於我們從很多高齡者給我們的回饋是說他們很建議我們兩段式左轉對高齡者很重要因為他們的騎車速度比較慢他們的反應也慢他們覺得直接左轉對高齡者來講有很大的壓力這是我們對兩段式左轉目前收到的一些資訊 |
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那再來就是剛才委員也提到就是死亡人數的認定我想我這邊再特別說明一下交通部隊死亡人數的30日死亡人數的認定沒有改變我們並沒有做任何改變還是原來一樣的改變喔那只是我們有觀察到國際上他們有一個ICUD10的一個標準那跟台灣是不一樣的所以我們上一次特別把ICUD10的標準去做一個說明那衛福部的資料跟交通部的資料為什麼不一樣主要是差在30日死亡的差別那其實 |
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仔細去對起來基本上並沒有什麼不一樣只是說認定上的差異而已這樣效果就有不一樣的成果了啊你們這種降低就是這樣子因為30天報告委員我們現在用的標準還是A30沒有改變過我們在講死亡的標準沒有改變過不是網路上講的就是對的 |
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這樣好了 財政部你對於剛才劉書斌委員發言的案子提案還是陳靜安委員 你有沒有陳靜安委員你有沒有跟劉書斌委員做說明因為本來是想要我來提案但是說明我已經表明要跟劉書斌委員做詳細的說明啦我辦公室有這樣啦那可能是不是還沒有跟劉書斌委員做說明 |
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我們會再到劉書斌委員辦公室來說說明沒有問題沒有問題各位委員那我們就開始處理第31到102案其中除了自衛運輸系統發展建設計畫刪除600萬那其餘我們就統一凍結10%那針對各位委員關心垂群的項目再請交通部在一個月內提出書面報告主席那62讓我保留啦 |
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因為這個我覺得六十二案我們雙方認真就大落差了當然六十二案就剛剛針對剛剛回應的這個所謂的兩段式左轉的部分當然根據實證研究提到說如果用兩段式左轉取消兩段式左轉那些路段他的整體交通事故是顯著下降百分之二十一那受傷人就顯著下降百分之十九所以在實證研究上確實有這樣的狀況發生但是剛剛江沐認為說這個東西可能還是有一定程度的爭議我覺得這部分其實跟我的六十七案 |
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路徑是一致的為什麼呢?因為其實67案講的是地方政府有很多的所謂的標誌標線的這些事辦計劃但這些事辦計劃到最後來到交通部的時候常常是因為各地方政府今天沒共識然後最後不了了之但是我剛剛提到像比如說兩岸市左轉這種事辦計劃的確在各地方政府都有在做 |
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然後他們也提出相關的一些數據那這樣的數據到底能不能成為全國適用的這個法規好像一直沒有一個定論這跟六七案有關係啦但是那六七案是凍結案我沒有特別要堅持要多百分之幾但是我覺得大家一起來研究但這個六十二案到底兩方面左轉是不是未來 |
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交通部持續要推動的政策因為這現在還在你們的教案裡面去要求各地要做兩三次左轉那我覺得這讓駕駛人會產生混淆到底哪個比較安全那到底我到入口之後我要做哪件事情所以我覺得這部分我覺得還是有一定程度的爭議所以我覺得 |
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與其讓你們繼續宣傳這樣子的政策我覺得不如先暫停一下後續大家學術研究或是相關的案例都做出來各地方政府把事辦情形匯報給路政司那大家確定要怎麼做之後再去重新宣導我們到底要兩次左轉還是做車種還是做車數的分流我覺得這是比較具體的一個方向以上謝謝 |
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我確認一下 因為第三幕總共其實71個案然後這個面向是非常多元跟非常廣所以您剛剛的裁示是說第三幕是總幕9億7千多萬凍結時發其中有一個智慧運輸系統刪除 |
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我尊重尊重黃建豪委員剛講如果說他的第62案要保留的話我希望是召委可以尊重啦那但是我另外講的是說那個我們各自委員的提案因為其實我們凍結是一個手段並不是目的我們要的是你要去做改進跟檢討也因此各委員提案的這些相關的資料報告都要在一定是限制限定時間內提供給我們以上謝謝孟靠委員 |
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好 那就針對兩個案就89案還有黃建豪委員提的黃建豪 趙薇提的這個兩段式左轉這個確實很多用路人一開始聽說要取消也會擔心說是不是這樣會更危險那結果研究數據都反而說這樣反而是降低行車的風險那到底真相怎麼樣那是不是也請一併做說明 來 |
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是針對八十九案萬委員的剛剛的意見那很抱歉剛剛可能沒有講得很清楚那我們去年這個預算是三月二十一號公布之後那因為這個很多都是補助地方的案子有三十九個補助地方的案子那我們跟地方之間就趕快把案子提上來在我們這邊做審查那在過程中的確會碰到不同的縣市政府不同的一些困難我們要去輔導那我們今年也有一些檢討跟改進 |
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我們今年的部分我們提早就已經先作業了跟地方政府有訂了一個分階段的里程碑我這邊會來做深切的一些檢討我會提一個完整的書面報告幫我們先精進作為來就跟我也做報告 |
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好 謝謝各位委員那我們就來處理啦我們第62案我們就保留宋協商啦就是黃建豪、趙偉德這個提案那我們第87案就刪除600萬科目請自行調整那其餘呢我們就全部凍結保存致死那請 |
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教育部我正在各委員的提案然後一個月內提書面報告主席想請問一下那剛才說我的六十一案跟六十五案的對我請他特別去跟您說明那說完之後可是我們是凍結有有凍結十八個凍結百分之十有有全部都凍結百分之十不是我們是三減欸我們就同意凍結啦 |
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我沒有同意餒我們主席 我們的委員沒有同意給他們一個機會啦 他會去他會特別去跟你說沒有沒有 這應該先保留沒有沒有 應該先保留之後才可以我們是要先保留再先要來說明之後我們再看是不是就朝這邊這樣這樣這樣你要送院會協商嗎我保留之後送院會對啊對啊對啊你第幾個案61跟65啊 |
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因為這是很嚴重的部分我們要先了解因為之前為什麼沒有先來可是沒有碰到必須要再更多的說明才對這樣陳先生我們不跟你轉達啦來啦對六十一案跟六十五案六十分後的提案來在交通部這裡有意見嗎 |
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跟蘇冰委員報告其實我們有在陳委員那邊說明其實因為禮拜五下午的時間我們本來要趕到你那邊辦公室去可是因為時間沒有約上因為這一次的時間特別短所以就是沒有來得及跟委員說明其實我們在委員那邊都已經有跟主任說明過了有說明過了 |
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是不是允許我們先凍結,我們還是會再去跟您說明先凍結啦先凍結讓交通部再去跟你解釋一下啦好啦,這樣好啦 |
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交通部去給劉委員說明,那陳委員看刀作賠,刀槓一下這樣啦哎呀,刀下留人啦這個都是跟刀安有關的 |
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我一個建議啦我們這個先保留,待會請我們交通部趕快跟林氏兵委員做個說明我們先審其他的案子待會再回來好不好沒有嗎 |
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好不好 市民委員我們就請沒有啦 我要做處理了啦但是你提案的部分我會請教授部對你做因為當時他沒有到你辦公室給你做說明好不好好 那各位沒有說明 然後就當做飯以後我們委員的 |
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不會啦 不會啦 他會給你做一個說明 要不然你來因為這種情況 這種死亡數據 他對機車人是幾百萬的機車人機車 機車使用人啊 他都被人家污名化了不准說話啦 不准說話啦 |
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報告委員這個是道安的經費我們還是希望可以讓我們趕快來執行我們希望用路人都可以安全但是您在意的這個說明的部分其實我們有到陳委員那邊去說明也在跟您約時間那剛好時間沒有對上我們這一兩天就會趕快去做說明好不好所以拜託委員就是凍結啦凍結10%然後我們會趕快來做說明以上拜託委員幫忙 |
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因為你們的這種 如果你說的這些部分都沒有到數據是不是稍微晚一點 先去做其他部分我們等一下再回來再做完解再說 |
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哪是哪一案 劉書斌委員是這樣好了啦我們61案 62案 65案都保留送協商啦要包括劉書斌委員你的案子啦我們就送應會協商然後第87案3.6百萬科目請自行調整 那其餘我們就統一凍結10%請交通部相關單位提出書面報告 使得凍值一個月內啦 一個月內提出書面報告 使得凍值好 那我們就先休息十分鐘喔繼續開會 |
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好啦 讓大家當個廁所啦喂 各位我跟崑哲傑是很好的朋友啦我跟崑哲傑是很好的朋友啦我跟崑哲傑是很好的朋友啦我跟崑哲傑是很好的朋友啦我跟崑哲傑是很好的朋友啦我跟崑哲傑是很好的朋友啦我跟崑哲傑是很好的朋友啦 |
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他們同意我了嘛同意啦 |
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中美貫徹道路 |
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不只是周美其他人都一樣 |
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中環北路沿山那一段也是一樣要上牆那一段好不好不過他們跟你融稅還不可以打反正一直都還打開捷打了八年了不不不 我要找運了 我要找運了明年 明年 明年明年我要找做運了 |
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这一碗是一碗鸡腿鸡腿肉 |
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好我們各位委員我們現在開始開會好那我們先來 |
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跟委員會報告我們現在陳傑昇委員他有提一個臨時批案三十一案我們考量到陳傑昇委員德高望重 體型龐大我們就先處理這個案子了好不好來 三十一案我們看一下我不講話啦 從政黨協商好不好 |
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稍微好大家沒有意見的話那我們31號我們就保留送政黨協商好謝謝陳劉生委員好接下來好列當照來好各位我們接下來我們再來處理103了這個地方 |
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我們來處理103到112案103到112我們併案處理交通部的營業基金各位委員有沒有意見有沒有好請徐副委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我提出104跟105案104案是針對我們現在台鐵管轄的鐵路橋樑總共有1149座其中橋林超過50年的佔了將近35% |
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合計超過40年的占比也高達54%超過一半以上那顯見這個橋樑系統的整體已經進入這個很高齡化的一個階段那未來結構的這個老化跟維修的部分的需求我想我們也請交通部應該要求台鐵公司要加強一個老舊橋樑的維護並提出一個橋樑翻新的目標跟計畫所以我提出這個案子先凍結2000萬 |
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那105案是針對我們現在台鐵車站發生多起的一個事故意外那造成我們的這個鄉親的一個死傷那目前我們車站的安全保全的人力配置雖然最近有這個提議要增加但是目前台北車站聘僱人員9位 |
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高雄車站也只有6個我想依目前現有的人力沒辦法應付4座的特等站28座的一等站我想未來對於我們進出旅客的一個安全也會造成一個治安的一個危險所以我想交通部應該要協調我們台鐵公司跟內政部針對警力的配置跟所謂的一個保全人力的一個增加部分應該提出一個說明的一個說明那我想這兩個案子請 |
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交通部跟台鐵公司提出說明報告之後 使得動之好謝謝謝謝好 其他委員有要發言嗎我們請交通部來做說明來請用麥克風來麥克風給一下 |
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桃機公司就111跟112案來補充報告111案是有關我們T3的未來營運規劃考慮原住民因素這一點那我想我們目前在一二行下的營運免稅店都有原住民的商品未來的T3規劃 |
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也會納入原住民的元素所以這一項的話我們是建議可以改書面的一個報告專案改書面那另外就是111跟112是同一個科目都是有關淘汰公司的增資款所以相關的金額是不是建議也可以併案來審議我們建議是以112案的一千萬凍結一千萬 |
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好 各位有意見嗎來陳俊隆委員謝謝主席那我在這邊108案108案針對我們國營台鐵台灣鐵路股份有限公司他的一個預算的編列那我們了解 |
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最近從去年到現在我們台鐵公司這邊整個在行車安全的一個部分仍然從114年到119年4月出去發生這樣的一個人為事故這樣的一個台鐵的一個營運成效 |
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這個沒有很確實的落實所以我在這邊我建議要凍結這個預算三四個百分比等交通部台鐵公司向我們交通委員會提出專案報告統一後才一一啟動我是提出凍結案好 謝謝來 請交通部說明 |
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108跟109案是那個先回應剛才剛才那個徐副委員兩個案子我們這一部分的話我們遵照辦理那另外就是陳慶榮委員這一部分的話我們跟委員報告事實上在這個整個安全的方面我們 |
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在最近的一到三月那已經跟去年的比較的話已經降了25%異常事件那跟整個一年的話去年跟前一年也降低了將近12%所以這一部分我們有持續在做所以這一部分我們會按照這個我們現在既定的這個方向那麼努力的來按照我們已經 |
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每個禮拜我們檢討這異常事件然後提出解除法同時我們也加強我們這個要求同仁遵照SOP如果沒有遵照SOP做的話除了要有一個懲罰以外我們的主管也連帶的也要做到處罰甚至他 |
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所造成的一些傷害或者一些我們都會按照球場所以用這個方式那麼能夠來希望能夠遏止這個一場事件的部分所以這部分的話我們是不是考慮到是說整個這樣來講我們在剛才提到的這個凍結的部分我們是不是建議那麼在 |
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這個103案到112案整個我們是不是可以考量並103案的凍結1%然後我們提書面報告以後一個月以後我們再來跟委員這樣報告 |
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好謝謝好那我們就來處理啦謝謝大家對我們台鐵行車的一些安全效率的關心我們第103案到112案因為委員提的都是凍結案我們就這個營業基金統一凍結五千萬好不好然後請交通部這邊對於各委員所關心垂群的項目一個月內提出書面報告才能凍結 |
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好謝謝謝謝各位那接下來我們就處理113到115案我們處理非營業的特種基金我們也是邊岸處理請問各位有意見嗎好沒有意見的話那我們就不處理好接下來我們看116和117案這兩岸也是邊岸處理我們來處理都市大眾捷運系統建設計劃各位有沒有意見好許智傑委員 |
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謝謝主席我針對這個都是我們高雄的捷運的問題啦那凍結一百萬只是表示說希望那個交通部特別的注意跟關心那這個經費的協助就是因為物價的問題這個都有調整所以這個也要拜託交通部多幫忙然後另外完工的時間 |
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可不可以盡力再縮短一下我們捷運黃線延後4.5年這個太久了是不是交通部可以跟我們說明一下 |
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感謝委員的關心不過那個完工的時間可能是因為實際建置是地方政府在建我們這邊在處理一些程序我們會依照程序我們會來盡可能的來協助辦理 |
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就是因為地方政府我們也會去拜託跟要求啦那就是交通部這邊齁能夠也主動一點跟地方政府做好聯繫我們這邊可以我們會盡可能來處理學長你就是關心我們高雄捷運的問題 |
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我們116案117案就照許醫師姐委員的提案通過了好不好我們就凍結100萬我們可不可以併起來凍100萬對 併凍結100萬它是一個黃線一個不一樣的系統各凍結100萬還是合併凍結100萬併起來凍100萬謝謝委員合併就合併凍結100萬那請提出書面資料後再請動之 |
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好各位委員接下來我們來處理第118到161的決議案我們主案來處理請宣讀這樣我們主案處理就好了118案大家有沒有問題 |
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沒有意見的話那我們就就召喚通過119案交通部有沒有意見遵照辦理好那我們就通過120案遵照辦理好那我們就通過121案遵照辦理好我們通過122案遵照辦理好那我們就通過123案遵照辦理好那我們通過124案 |
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這已經獲委員同意改成書面那文字有做修正補償機制修改為措施兩個字那邱委員有同意我們就改為提出書面報告然後那個補償機制改為補償機制改為措施就減照措施改為減照措施提出書面報告我們一一修正案通過第125案遵照辦理 |
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好我們通過126案遵照辦理通過127案遵照辦理好通過128案遵照辦理通過129案遵照辦理好通過130案遵照辦理通過131案文字件請著作修正大眾交通工具改為軌道運輸幾個字 |
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大眾第幾行中間就是盤點盤點大眾交通工具這個交通交通改為軌道運輸好我們就倒數第四行全面交通部應全面盤點軌道運輸 |
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那另外是兩個月修改成三個月鐵道運輸之無線電等等然後最後兩兩個月改為三個月各位有沒有意見好那我們照修正案通過132案遵照辦理 |
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通過133案遵照辦理通過134案遵照辦理通過135案遵照辦理136案遵照辦理通過137案遵照辦理通過138案遵照辦理通過139案遵照辦理通過140案遵照辦理通過141案建議文字修正要求交通部應檢討那另外是三個月一個月改成三個月 |
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一個月改成三個月加拿大部應檢討 |
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就是一個月改成三個月各位有沒有意見沒有的話我們照修正案通過142案增加辦理通過143案增加辦理通過144案增加辦理通過145案增加辦理通過146之1增加辦理通過146之2案 |
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146案大家有沒有意見沒有的話我們就召喚通過147案曾在辦理通過148案沒有他的資料已經改了資料已經改了 |
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147案交通部有沒有意見沒有意見148案148案建議文資修正交通部應將就是應後面劃掉改成一直到規劃那個劃掉改成 |
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交通部應將政府對台灣鐵路股份有限公司配合政府政策任務造成營運虧損補貼辦法草案內容及辦理進度以及督促後面文字是一樣好好各位委員他現在有跟有跟提案委員溝通過我們的決議第三點專案報告改為書面報告然後文字有做修正交通部應 |
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9430.421 |
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將政府對台灣鐵路股份有限公司配合政府政策任務造成營運虧損補貼辦法的草案內容及辦理進度後面再接下去 是不是這樣好 各位委員有沒有意見沒有的話我們照修正案通過140149案正在辦理好 150案149案通過 150案正在辦理通過 151案 |
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建議改為順利報告待會我們有要委員要發言來請有要委員151案跟152案它這個部分它有些有跟那個勞動部有相關的部分那跨部會的部分其實還是要去做一個溝通啊層級不一定要求但是至少來講不管是外籍或是包括開放僑外生的部分那其實不可能交通部在座演繹跟討論的時候不能閉門召聚啊還是必須要相關單位要找來 |
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那那個成績我們不一定說要求他們一定是部長次長嘛但至少他們意見一定要進來所以說那時候在溝通的時候有提到是不是把跨部會的部分拿掉那我是覺得這個可以不限成績但是該有的內容要有好不好單位要有謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 我們最後有要委員的提案內容 財政部有沒有意見就是修正嗎你有沒有意見那個1151是改成書面報告我們改成書面報告然後1151改成書面報告各位有沒有意見沒有的話我們照修正案通過152案你建議著作修正就剛剛委員提到的進行跨部會這整個字刪掉那專案報告改成書面報告 |
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我就說跨部會要繞的要繞的看書面有沒有意見但是說跨部會要繞的好 我們就請交通部於兩個月內進行跨部會研議然後最後的我們專案改為書面報告各位有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們照修正案通過好 153案正在辦理通過 154案 |
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第二段文字建議修正交通部鐵道局應指派人員參與新竹縣市政府召開進度式工作會議及控管會議 |
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所以就不是成立專案小組了是不是這個意思各位我們在決議案的第二點最下面決議案的第二點就成立專案小組這個刪掉第二點的第二行交通部鐵道局因指派人員參與 |
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參與新竹縣市政府召開進度之工作會議及控管會議再來第三點專案報告改為書面報告好各位有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們第154案照修正案通過好第155案遵照辦理通過156案遵照辦理通過157案遵照辦理通過158案遵照辦理159案遵照辦理 |
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好160案遵照辦理通過161案遵照辦理通過162案遵照辦理通過好 |
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好 謝謝各位委員我們今天的協商已經完成我們做以下的宣告今日協商結論免於宣讀我們授權議事人員進行整理作為決議列入紀錄第二 委員要求提供書面報告及相關資料請交通部盡速以書面答覆第三 如有委員對於提案補簽列入紀錄並刊登公報 |
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好 針對我們今天的會議做以下的決議第一本日預算審查結果照協商結論通過第二本日通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員進行調整第三115年度交通部單位預算及直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款交通部主管第一幕交通部預算審查完畢 散會 |