| IVOD_ID |
17424 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17424 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-08T08:47:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-08T16:02:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:14:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60933a1ded1c3015e1a8f7f86a82bc079ae92d343e5acb26ceb48cf2afab393a3755ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月12日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:47:16 - 16:02:00 |
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總理長各位練習閣議員早安我們現在開始進行國事論壇每位委員發言時間三分鐘首先請蔡春籌委員發言羅志強委員請準備 |
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院長所有的同仁以及全國的觀眾大家早我們常說台灣好山好水但是呢 數據很殘酷根據統計台灣呢 去年的旅遊逆差持續的擴大出國了 國旅冷 |
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國內景點如果切法核心的競爭力那我們拿什麼來吸引國外的旅客我們又拿什麼來留住我們國人的心呢我認為台灣觀光要突圍 |
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不能只靠小吃跟老街,而是必須要啟動文化雙引擎一個是代表世界級的精緻文化故宮另外一個是展現台灣生命力與民俗抵應的媽祖文化 |
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這兩者才是台灣在國際市場上無法期待的獨家品牌去年故宮赴捷克展覽驚艷全歐洲這證明故宮不只是博物館 |
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它正是台灣最強的軟實力的引擎第二個引擎是媽祖文化北港朝天宮大甲媽祖白沙屯媽祖進香吸引了千萬人參加這對國外來說它是一個世界級的宗教慶典政府應該要將媽祖文化提升到國家戰略層次 |
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像西班牙的雅各路之路一樣將近鄉路徑優化結合引領台中彰化苗栗在地的產業打造一條國際級的台灣媽祖廊道 |
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其次針對國際觀光客我們的語言設施友善導覽系統還有基礎交通應該要更加優化在大型遊覽車團客的切法這難道更適合把小巴、鄉行車來結合地方創生做深度的一個旅遊 |
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我們不能放任旅遊逆差持續的擴大針對觀光雙引擎從預算、先傳到基礎建設前面優化注入燃料我們要讓世界觀光客來到台灣不只是為了要看101更是為了要感受這一份獨一無二的震撼文化震撼以上報告 |
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好 謝謝蔡春澤委員的發言接下來我們請羅志強委員發言 林倩琦委員請準備 |
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李遠打臉蔡英文賴清德不如蔡英文在講今天有關於公事、董事、非法、嚴認的這個主題之前我先講個笑話 |
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昨天在教育文化委員會由於文化部把已經任滿的公視前董事長胡元輝把他帶到立法院教文委員會來備詢我當場向主席提出程序質疑 |
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因為公視法修正案在2月4號已經經行政院長卓榮泰附屬賴清德公佈已經生效取消言論條款換言之從那一刻開始胡元輝就不再是公視董事長他不能以公視董事長的身份出席立法院的委員會 |
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這是立法院的尊嚴抱歉也是賴清德公佈法律的尊嚴結果呢民進黨一樣是把胡元輝帶進了議場謝謝羅廷偉 昭偉非常堅持立法院的尊嚴所以要求胡元輝離席 |
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然後呢 民進黨就開始進行各項的議事杯葛後來兩黨的教文委員達成了協議胡元輝他坐在台底下但是民進黨承諾不會把胡元輝cue上台協商五分鐘後 民進黨連續兩個委員接下的質詢就把胡元輝cue上來 |
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我要告訴大家遵守承諾這麼難嗎不騙人就活不下去嗎離譜至極我接下來回到李遠說他是按照財團法人法來去延任胡元輝公釋法第二條寫得很清楚除非公釋法沒有規定 |
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才適用財團法人法公示法第十六條明定我們修正後明定不能延任要延任六個月前改聘改聘有第十三條的規定看不懂中文啊看不懂法律啊更重要的是今天要知道蔡英文總統多數國會的時候也有政黨協商讓國民黨推薦董事結果賴清德做不到 |
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想要獨吃 違反法律謝謝大家謝謝羅志強委員的發言接下來我們請林倩琦委員發言邱惠如委員請準備院長 輔惠同仁還有媒體朋友 大家好 |
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公視是公共電視,提名就要有共視本時已經要講的是公共媒體治理的僵局公視第八屆董監視審查委員會已經有八位委員集體辭職主要是認為文化部已經背離了公共電視法的精神使審查機制失去意義 |
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這個制度一開始就不是讓文化部單方面決定名單但現在文化部堅持片面提名拒絕協商甚至將所有不同意見都視為阻撓本席在這邊嚴正的指出這樣的態度才是真正讓公視陷入僵局的原因 |
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第一公視的核心價值是公共性跟多元代表性公視屬於全民不屬於單一政黨若是行政部門就片面決定董事名單公視就可能逐漸淪為執政意志的延伸失去公共媒體應有的中立性因此協商是為了讓不同立場的國民能夠相信公視仍舊屬於全民第二 |
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法律訂定高同意門檻代表制度要求朝野合作三分之二的同意門檻在民主制度中是高標準法律早已設預設被提名人必須是朝野都能夠接受的人選如果完全不協商直接送進審查委員會 |
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結果就會是一次又一次的火車對撞讓董事會難產這不僅是浪費社會成本更讓被提名人承受不必要的政治消耗第三審查委員會本來就是依政黨比例組成竟然法律設計是由立法院依政黨比例來推薦審查委員 |
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顯示制度就具有政治制衡的功能文化部若持續拒絕協商等同架空審查機制把委員會當成橡皮圖章這樣子的做法是真正違背公共電視精神更重要的是過去不是沒有潛力啊歷屆的公視董事會之所以順利組成很多時候就是建立在朝野協商 |
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事前的少野协商那么包括过去的文化部长李永德任内也都曾经透过协商凝聚共识让董事会顺利成立本席要特别指出文化部试图援引财团法轮法来处理董事改聘的问题但是公共电视法第16条早已明定董事改聘的程序与时程既然特别法已经规定就应该优先适用特别法 |
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本席呼籲文化部停止一意孤行的提名方式回到協商共識與制度精神公共媒體屬於全民提名就必須接受共同參與和監督好謝謝林建吉委員的發言謝謝接下來我們請邱慧如委員發言侯孟凱委員請準備 |
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主席還有各位先進 大家好2019年衛福部公告全日平均護病比的標準根據全日平均護病比的標準醫學中心 區域醫院 社區醫院的全日平均護病比分別是1比9 1比12 1比15這個全日平均護病比的標準也被規範進入醫療機構設置標準 |
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所以如果機構違反全日平均護病比的規定依醫療法102條的規定會被處以一萬到五萬的罰款如果再犯的話會被處以一個月以上一年以下的停業處分全日平均護病比有其缺點它沒有辦法反映每一班別護理人員承受合理工作負荷量 |
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面對全日平均護病比的缺點不但會沒有辦法讓護理人員承受合理的工作負荷量也會進一步衝擊醫療品質還有病人的安全所以我們護理界大聲疾呼我們不要全日平均護病比我們要三班護病比 |
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賴清德總統在競選總統的時候曾經開出他的政治承諾要讓三班戶並比兩年內入法衛福部在113年3月1號 |
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實施三班護病比的標準這個標準有九個數字但是呢卻沒有被規範在醫療機構設置標準換言之如果醫療機構違反三班護病比的規定就沒有辦法依醫療法102條開法 |
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面對沒有開發機制的社會各界的質疑衛福部表示沒有開發機制他們要先用獎勵先行所謂獎勵先行就是沒有達到三班戶併比的標準不會開發有達到三班戶併比的標準 |
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會給予獎勵但是獎勵下來的結果卻是什麼近日有一個護理人員在社群平台上分享三班護病筆的獎勵金額他只拿到92元 |
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92元雖然名曰為獎勵但是卻是一個侮辱性傷害性不大但是侮辱性極強的數字請問這樣的獎勵有什麼意義我們呼籲賴清德總統趕快把你的政治承諾三班互併比兩年入法的政治承諾達成 |
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協助我們護理界在爭取三班護病餅入法這一條漫漫長路走完最後一里路我們呼籲賴清德趕快把三班護病餅入法因為我有把三班護病餅入法才能夠把勞動權益還給護理人員也才能夠把醫療品質還有病人安全還給我們的病人希望能夠趕快入法以上說明 謝謝好 謝謝邱惠如委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請洪孟楷委員發言陳冠廷委員請準備 |
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主席兩院院長以及我們所有行政官員還有立院所有同仁再過兩天是一年一度的母親節我們在跑地方的時候常常會講有一句話叫家在哪裡有媽媽在的地方家就在那裡因此借用今天國事論壇的機會向全天下無論男性女性我們都要母親節快樂因為我們能夠來到這世上都是因為我們有一位最偉大的媽媽 |
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但一樣讓媽媽安心安全的生活放心的生活這是共同的責任更是政府責無旁貸的使命因此我們想要問的是當本席提出來我們希望能夠用邊形來打擊詐騙 虐童 性侵詐騙 虐童 性侵這不也是過去幾年我們看到所有女性所有媽媽們最擔心的議題嗎 |
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1714.916 |
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1736.488 |
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這樣的議題我們正向面對 積極面對 要求政府妥善處理這是大家的共識我想要分享一個小故事這也是本期來推動邊形打造公投之後我們更多迴響以及更多人給我們的回饋讓我知道原來我們沒有發現的 看不到的角落比我們想像的更加嚴重 |
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1737.881 |
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1762.319 |
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上個禮拜我的選區有一位民眾男性他嘗試跟我聯絡聯絡上之後他講說他全力支持邊行打擊詐騙並且他希望問說能不能捐款能不能幫忙當義工我心裡想說到底怎麼了他跟我講短短一年內因為詐騙他的父母跟他妹妹相繼離世 |
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1763.922 |
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1789.726 |
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因為他的妹妹被騙了人生的積蓄六百萬元在那一年內他的父母他的妹妹郁郁寡歡每天以淚洗面甚至自責怪罪自己怪罪為什麼沒有看管好錢為什麼那麼的笨為什麼那麼的輕易的相信詐騙集團的套路所以到最後把他們的積蓄都騙走了 |
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1791.274 |
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1819.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
到最後他們那一年裡面身體急速的惡化而一年失去了三個親人我想這我不知道說這樣的一個案例在全台各地還有多少但我們要講的是這件事情就凸顯出過去這幾年詐騙集團的猖獗可惡以及絕對不是冷冰冰的數字告訴我們今天財損多少明天案件多少然後我們有案件下降了就可以自滿 |
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1820.694 |
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1841.757 |
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不是的行政院長因為我們這一屆有相對來講的會議的議程要討論也因此您聽國事論壇的時間比以往都長本席為什麼每一次都要利用這三分鐘就是因為我希望能夠把我聽到真實的民意讓您清楚這是我們共同面對的議題我們持續加油感謝 |
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1843.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1851.139 |
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好謝謝洪孟凱委員對天下母親的祝福謝謝我們接下來請最登記最後一位陳冠廷委員請發言院長各位同仁大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1871.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1893.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那今天我要談一個首次有三黨一同參與的這個類公聽會安樂死法治化的議題那在上上週那由我召開在立法院第二次的跟安樂死相關的議題那與第一次不同第一次只有我們執政黨的黨紀委員那第二次包含莊瑞雄委員 |
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1894.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1922.087 |
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王世堅委員陳金輝委員還有王安祥委員等於是說三黨都有一同來去參與過去安樂死的法治化它基本上是由小黨提出來也就是說儘管有提出但是沒有辦法經過實質的討論沒有辦法經過完整的審查但這一次不一樣在我們的任期內首次有三黨的立法委員全部都站出來針對安樂死的這個生命的最後階段的自主權來去參與討論 |
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1924.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1951.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
那我本屆任期以來除了在立法院辦理兩次之外我也在會外會場外就是在一般的地方行程在台北都已經有舉辦七次的論壇我們討論重點包含醫師評估包含痛苦認定包含良心拒絕權包含是不是要設置審查委員會還是要直接進入程序審即可還有醫療人員的保障的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1952.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1974.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
我們必須要很清楚的知道台灣現行的安和緩和醫療條例我們有病人自主條例我們也有這些制度都很重要可以強化但是我們必須要很誠實的面對有些病人即使接受安寧照護他還是承受著無法承受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1975.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1991.488 |
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有一些神經退化的疾病那嚴重失能避所症、後症、寒冰或是長期不可逆的疾病患者他不一定符合末期病人的定義但是他們的疾病本身是無限延長而且也沒有解放的 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1992.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2008.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
所以如果這樣子的一群的我們的民眾朋友們他一直沒有辦法符合傳統的末期病人的定義但是活在難以想像身心痛苦的歷程不斷的延伸法律卻完全不處理那他們該怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2009.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2026.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
安樂死的法治化當然必須非常謹慎他也不會成為弱者因為貧窮孤單照顧不足然後被迫說出決定他一定都是由自身在行為能力能並且沒有任何的這個心理上面的壓迫的狀況之下做出的自己的決定 |
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2027.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2050.408 |
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那我認為這是我們這一個任期內他必須要處理的問題儘管說我們要非常的審慎但是我也要提醒喔審慎不會成為永遠不做的藉口那審查不能設計看得到用不到我們不能夠替每個人的生命決定答案但是至少國家可以跟人民在最痛苦最無助的時候一起做下決定謝謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2052.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2066.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言謝謝我們登記國事論壇發言委員已經發言完畢請各黨團幹部上午10點整到議場後方主席辦公室我們進行本次會議議程之溝通現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
4398.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
4419.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
好報告院會現在請秘書長報告出席人數報告院會出席委員71人已足法定人數我們現在開會因為本次會議的議程有待溝通請各黨團幹部現在至議場後方我們主席辦公室來進行溝通現在休息請休息 |
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4436.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
4439.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
谢谢观看,下次见! |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
12931.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
12935.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
還是說一張送禮物體幣一張送禮物體幣一張送禮物體幣一張送禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
12965.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
12966.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
國衛部門的兩份 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
12985.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
13005.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
不是說限期看他多久 而且他已經開刀 後來已經開刀了他也不想要那個場合 因為那個罰金超過了那種人他就把最後時間想到其實對法不法 你只是刑苦懲判人對刑苦懲判人來講 對懲判人來講就是惡法 |
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13020.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
13024.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
對啦一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
13039.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
13061.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
對,然後就會催促肝臟會想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
13072.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
13073.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
好舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
13093.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
13122.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
他如果送來重災修那你就是新的一份進來啊你新的一份進來你這一份你就不會不用跳來跳去吧對啊 這邊會有骨洞的問題啊那這骨洞可以放後面嗎就是說因為你會在那個修進來嘛就是你重修嘛修進來嘛所以你的地安他不會跳來跳去吧他只是增定才用到的對不對所以你不用跳來跳去如果有新的兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
13123.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
13138.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
維持現行條文並修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
13170.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
13178.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
我早上已經吃了三顆荷力塔麵了加小顆的小顆很想睡覺我想說那個瓶子 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
13182.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
13183.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
必須能夠可以啊 |
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14839.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
14864.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
抱怨會員我們現在繼續開會對本次會議的議程現在由黨團共識如下一議程草案確認循例一提案先後進行處理二各黨團同意本次會議討論事項僅列案如下第一案醫療法修正案第二案軍購條例草案三醫療法修正案 |
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14866.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
14883.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
軍購條例草案軍醫協商結論進行處理四本日院會下午1點30分我們要進行議程草案確認確認之後進行報告事項之處理處理必繼續進行討論事項之處理五 |
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14889.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
14901.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
原定今日施政質詢議程順延至下週二進行當次會議不再處理臨時提案抱怨會下午1點30分我們繼續開會先來休息 |
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16982.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
17006.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
報告委員會我們繼續開會首先向大家報告再過兩天就是一年一度的母親節在這個溫馨的節日之前我們立法院全體委員要向全台灣所有海內外最偉大的母親至上最高的祝福之意祝福大家母親節快樂我們掌聲來祝福一下母親節好嗎好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
17010.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
17025.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
今天是我們富坤崎委員生日我們祝福富坤崎委員生日快樂我們現在依照黨團共識要進行議程確認先進行報告事項部分請議事人宣讀黨團之題內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
17027.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
17053.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第九次會議議程報告事項質詢事項及對行政院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢提議僅限列議程草案及下表所列五案是否有當進行公決本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第五會期第九次會議議事日程報告事項質詢事項擬請整列報告事項二十六案如附表是否有當進行公決 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
17054.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
17069.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
本院國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第九次會議議程報告事項質詢事項及對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢提議僅限列議程草案及下表署列無案是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
17501.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
17523.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
好 抱怨會員安寧時間已到請問委員是否都有拿到表決卡好 我們要開始進行表決現在針對台灣民眾黨團提進行表決民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘贊成台灣民眾黨團請按贊成 反對按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
17600.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
17617.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
抱怨會報告表決結果在場出席委員105位贊成56位反對49位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團提議照案通過抱怨會 院會剛才通過台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議 |
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17618.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
17637.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
因此其他黨團的提議我們就不再處理列入公報記錄另外國民黨團這提議與台灣民眾黨團提議相同我們向院會說明本次會議議事成報告事項質詢事項及對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢照台灣民眾黨團提議通過 |
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17643.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
17668.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我們本次會議日程討論事項依照黨團共識通過本次會議議事程確定我們現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第五會期第八次會議議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第五會期第八次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十五年四月二十四日二十八日五月五日地點本院議場出席委員換委員等一百十三年內席官員行政院長卓榮泰等 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
17669.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
17691.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
審計部審計長陳瑞民 主席院長韓國瑜 副院長江啟臣 報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第五會期第七次會議事路決定確定第二次二百五十案其中第二二十六三十八二百十二二百四十九案均決定進貨途與相關提案併用案協商第一百九十六案委聯事處所提出報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
17692.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
17713.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
其他議案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會執行事項本院委員執行部分一件談論事項第一案決議交互黨團協商第二案決議通過對行政院長提出施政完成及施政報告繼續執行決定下次會議繼續進行交易及文化組織執行同意全職勤務事項決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
17716.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
17736.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
徐錫祥未獲得超過全體立法委員的歐元之一之同意票依法不同意為最高檢察署檢察總長審計長列席報告中華民國一百三年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核報告審核經過並答應諮詢決定交財政委員會會同有關委員會審查其他事項以貶伺會議事之稱照台灣民眾黨黨團 |
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17743.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
17767.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
國民黨黨團提議4月17日協商結論及黨團共識通過喔 黨團共識一項 宣讀完畢抱怨會針對第五會期第八次會議遺失錄沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們現在作以下決定第五會期第八次會議遺失錄 確定我們現在處理爭議的部分 請宣讀第一案依委員林思明等領據《就業服務法》部分條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢議會無異 無異通過宣揚 |
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17770.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
17790.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
2.委員羅廷威等理據電子競技運動發展資本法草案擬交教育及文化委員會審查宣傳幣3.委員柯志恩等理據就業服務法第55條條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳幣4.委員薛榮介等理據預算法增訂第81條之1條文草案擬交財政委員會審查宣傳幣 |
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17791.522 |
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法院會第四案 國民黨團體禁服二族與相關提案並案 協商 全院會有異議 面議本案禁服二族與相關提案並案 協商 下議案五 委員吳思瑤等領據大學法部分條文修正常案 領交教育及文化委員會審查 宣討完畢 |
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國務委員 林俊憲委員發表聲明剛才表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序授權議事處進行調整我們現在繼續處理原列報告事項請宣讀第二案二委員 政政前程能擬據個人資料保護法第二條及第六條條文修正條案 內交經濟委員會審查宣傳部決議會無異通過下議案 |
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三 委員政政情等擬具 惠物稅條例第十二條之五條文修正草案擬交財政委員會審查宣傳並五 委員政政情等擬具 幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案擬交教育及文化社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會審查宣傳並五 委員政政情等擬具 兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十七條條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳並 |
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六 委員林業勤等你據總統副總統選舉罷免法第11條及第213條條文修正常案你將內政委員會審查宣傳並七 委員林業勤等你據公職人員選舉罷免法第14條條文修正常案你將內政委員會審查宣傳並 |
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八 委員 林業勤等你據《偏遠地區學校教育發展條例》第20條 第21條及第22條條文修正常案 禮教教育及文化委員會審查 宣傳並九 委員 林業勤等你據《學校衛生法》第6條條文修正常案 禮教教育及文化委員會審查 宣傳並 |
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10.委員李月琴等你具道路交通管理處罰條例第九條條案修正草案你交交通委員會審查宣傳令11.委員李月琴等你具醫療法第十條條案修正草案你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令12.委員王榮威等你具性別平等工作法第十九條條案修正草案你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令 |
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13.委員王宏威等你居兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第27條條文修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令14.委員王定宇等你居公職人員選舉罷免法第11條條文修正常案擬交內政委員會審查宣傳令15.委員王定宇等你居公職人員選舉罷免法第72條條文修正常案擬交內政委員會審查宣傳令16.委員王定宇等你居國籍法第20條條文修正常案擬交內政委員會審查宣傳令15.委員王定宇等你居國籍法第20條條文� |
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十七委員李博義等你居國家安全法第四條條文修正常案你將內政委員會審查宣傳幣十八委員李博義等你居虛擬資產服務法常案你將財政委員會審查宣傳幣十九委員林志明等你居公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正常案你將內政委員會審查宣傳幣 |
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20 委員黎思敏等你據政府採報法第98條條文修正草案你交交通委員會審查宣傳案21 委員黎思敏等你據衛生福利部疾病管理署主持法第2條條文修正草案你交司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會審查宣傳案22 委員黎思敏等你據就業服務法第52條條文修正草案你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳案 |
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二十三委員陳英等領據一事放私司法第十二條條文修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣布議議二十四委員羅志強等領據大學法第三十五條條文修正常案擬交教育及文化委員會審查 宣布議議 |
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二十五委員 盧志強等你居高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正條案 禮教教育及文化委員會審查 宣告並 |
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二十七委員 羅志強 等領據教師待遇條例第十九條 條文修正草案擬交司法及法制教育及文化兩委員會審查宣傳令二十八委員 鄭天才 等領據宗教團體以自然人民益登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條 條文修正草案擬交墨證委員會審查宣傳令 |
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29.委員政天才等你具運動產業發展條例第二條條文修正常案理教教育及文化財政兩委會審查30.委員政天才等你具運動產業發展條例第二條條文修正常案理教教育及文化財政兩委會審查31.委員政天才等你具國民體育法第二條及第三條條文修正常案理教教育及文化財政兩委會審查31.委員政天才等你具國民體育法第二條及第三條條文修正常案理教教育及文化財政兩委會審查 |
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三十二委員胡孟凱等領據道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條之一條文修正常案禮交交通委員會審查三十五委員徐巧芯等領據新聞媒體與數位平台強制議價法條案禮交交通教育及文化兩委會審查 |
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36.委員徐巧欣等你具就業保險法第19條之一條文修正條案你將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查37.委員吳立華等你具總統副總統選舉報名法第11條及第23條條文修正條案你將內政委員會審查38.委員吳立華等你具公職人員選舉報名法第14條條文修正條案你將內政委員會審查 |
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三十九委員武力華等你據原住民族基本法第21條21條之一及第21條之二條文修正草案你將內政委員會審查宣告四十委員武力華等你據所得稅法第四條條文修正草案你將財政委員會審查宣告 |
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四十一委員羅明釵等領據因應中東戰事穩定民生經濟發放全民資源金特別條例草案擬交經濟財政兩委會審查宣轉並四十二委員游皓等領據就業保險法第十九條之二條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委會審查宣轉並四十三委員謝龍介等領據偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第七條及第八條條文修正草案擬交教育及文化委會審查宣轉並 |
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第十四委員徐宇珍等女居貪污知罪條例第十二條條文修正草案擬交司法及法治委員會審查宣戰略第四十五委員徐宇珍等女居海洋委員會海巡署組織法第三條及第十一條條文修正草案擬交司法及法治內政兩委會審查宣戰略第四十六委員王玉敏等女居就業保險法第十九條之一條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣戰略 |
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第57條 條文修正條案 禮教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣戰令第58條 條文修正條案 禮教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣戰令 |
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49.委員王玉敏等你據《廢棄物清理法》部分條文修正草案你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查50.委員王玉敏等你據《資源回收再利用法》修正草案你交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
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五十一 臺灣民眾黨黨團 凝聚義務與服役期間提交退休金條例第四條條文修正草案 凝聚外交及國防內政兩委會審查宣傳並五十二 臺灣民眾黨黨團 凝聚烏哈東地區發展條例增訂第十一條之一條文草案 凝聚經濟財政兩委會審查宣傳並五十三 臺灣民眾黨黨團 凝聚運動防務司法草案 凝聚教育及烏哈委會審查宣傳並 |
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五四 臺灣民眾黨黨團 引據《勞工退休金條例》第十二條 條文修正常案 拟交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣戰令五十五 臺灣民眾黨黨團 引據《施治正式基本法》條案 拟交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣戰令五十六 委員賴氏寶德 引據《中科學校法》第四十四條 條文修正常案 拟交教育及文化委員會審查宣戰令五十七 委員賴氏寶德 引據《大學法》第三十五條 條文修正常案 拟交教育及文化委員會審查宣戰令 |
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五十八 委員賴思寶等你具高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正條案 領交教育及文化委員會審查 宣傳令五十九 委員賴思寶等你具就業服務法部分條文修正條案 領交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳令五十八 委員翁曉琳等你具性別平等工作法第十九條條文修正條案 領交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳令五十八 委員翁曉琳等你具性別平等工作法第十九條條文修正條案 領交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳令 |
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61.委員陳清波等擬具農業發展條例第10條之一及第69條條文修正常案擬交經濟委員會審查 宣戴之62.委員陳清波等擬具水土保持法第23條第32條及第33條條文修正常案擬交經濟委員會審查 宣戴之63.委員陳清波等擬具山坡地保育利用條例第10條第34條及第35條條文修正常案擬交經濟委員會審查 宣戴之63.委員陳清波等擬具山坡地保育利用條例第10條第34條及第35條條文修正常案擬交經濟委員會審查 宣戴之63.委員陳清波 |
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6.委員曾經獲得理據《就業服務法》第52條條例修正條案,你將受到福利及歐商行政委員的審查。 |
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六十五委員 陳清威等你居 性別平等工作法第十九條 條文修正條案 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣斷立六十六委員 陳清威等你居 就業保險法第十九條之一 條文修正條案 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣斷立六十七委員 陳清威等你居 國民年金法部分條文修正條案 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣斷立 |
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六十八 委員陳清威等你據就業服務法部份條文修正草案擬交收入福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣斷並六十九 委員林千祺等你據三波地保育利用條例第十五條條文修正草案擬交經濟委員會審查宣斷並 |
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七十五委員 林倩琦等領具土司 採取法第36條 第38條及第39條 條文修正常案 領交經濟委員會審查 宣斷並七十一委員 林倩琦等領具高級中等教育法第58條 條文修正常案 領交教育及文化委員會審查 宣斷並七十二委員 林倩琦等領具中科學校 法第44條 條文修正常案 領交教育及文化委員會審查 宣斷並 |
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7.3委員林倩琦等理據原住民族學校法草案擬交教育及文化內政兩委會審查宣動並7.4委員林倩琦等理據幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案擬交教育及文化社會福利及衛生環境兩委會審查宣動並7.5委員盧姓一等理據就業服務法部分條文修正草案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣動並 |
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7.6 委員盧先一等你具廢棄物清理法部分條文修正草案,你將收入福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣達令7.7 委員王正旭等你具醫療法部分條文修正草案,你將收入福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣達令 |
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七八委員李燕秀等領據證券交易稅條例第二條之一條維修正常案擬交財政委員會審查宣傳令七九委員林益菁等領據國民年金法部份條維修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令八十委員林益菁等領據資源回收再利用法修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令八十一委員林益菁等領據廢棄物清理法部份條維修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳令 |
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大廈委員吳希堯等你具國軍退出役官兵輔導條例之三十二條條文修正條案擬交外交及國防委會審查宣告並大廈委員吳希堯等你具國民體育法部分條文修正條案擬交教育及文化委會審查宣告並 |
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八十五 委員吳斯堯等旅居民法部份條文修正草案擬交司法及法治委員會審查宣傳片八十五 委員吳斯堯等旅居民法簽署偏私刑法徵定第七條之一條文草案擬交司法及法治委員會審查宣傳片八十六 委員吳斯堯等旅居中華民國刑法第四七條及第四八條條文修正草案擬交司法及法治委員會審查宣傳片 |
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法案 七 國民黨黨團 領據 刑事訴訟法 增訂 第 兩 百 四 八 條 知 事 條文 草案 禮 交 司 法 及 法 之 委 委 會 審 查 宣 動 令法 十 八 委員 臨 署 分 本 領 據 資 用 回 收 在 利 用 法 修 政 草 案 禮 交 社 會 福 利 及 維 生 環 境 委 會 審 查 宣 動 令法 十 八 委員 臨 署 分 本 領 據 資 用 回 收 在 利 用 法 修 政 草 案 禮 交 社 |
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八九 委員張亞綸等領據《辦公大學法》部份《台灣修正草案》擬交教育及文化委員會審查宣告片九十 委員吳秉瑞等領據《會計師法》部份《台灣修正草案》擬交財政委員會審查宣告片九十一 委員徐富奎等領據《總統副總統選舉報名法》第十一條及第二三條《台灣修正草案》擬交內政委員會審查宣告片 |
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92 委員徐富奎等理居公職人員選舉報名法第14條條文宣誓人案 擬交內政委員會審查宣告面93 委員徐富奎等理居強制汽車責任保險法增訂第45條之一條文草案 擬交財政委員會審查宣告面94 委員徐富奎等理居發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案 擬交交通委員會審查宣告面95 委員邱振均等理居電信管理法第36條條文修正草案 擬交交通委員會審查宣告面 |
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96 委員邱正均等履具《鐵路法》第71條條文修正草案 理貼交通委員會審查宣傳片97 委員邱正均等履具《就業服務法》部分條文修正草案 理貼社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳片98 委員廖偉祥等履具《就業服務法》部分條文修正草案 理貼社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳片97 委員邱正均等履具《就業服務法》部分條文修正草案 理貼社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳片98 委員廖偉祥等履具《 |
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99.委員羅廷惠等你居兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第27條條文修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳并1.委員羅廷惠等你居社會工作司法第39條之1條文修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳并1.委員羅廷惠等你居醫療法第12條及1002條條文修正常案擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳并 |
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委員會第101案國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請院會有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商下一項1025委員約元之等女居兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第27條條文修正常案女家社會福利及威生環境委員會審查請檔案 |
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議題三 委員 葉元之等 領據《就業保險法》第十二條 條文修正常案 領交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查議題四 委員 葉元之等 領據《氣候變遷因應法》第五條 條文修正常案 領交社會福利及衛生環境經濟財政內政交通教育及文化六委會審查議題五 委員 葉元之等 領據《氣候變遷因應法》第十五條 條文修正常案 領交社會福利及衛生環境經濟財政內政交通教育及文化六委會審查議題六 委員 葉元之等 領據《氣候變遷因 |
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105 委員陳永康等領居政府採購法 暫定第104條之一條文條案 擬交交通委員會審查 宣告閉106 委員王美惠等領居公職人員選舉罷免法第14條條文修正條案 擬交內政委員會審查 宣告閉107 委員王美惠等領居總統副總統選舉罷免法第11條條文修正條案 擬交內政委員會審查 宣告閉108 委員陳玉珍等領居離島建設條例部分條文修正條案 擬交經濟委員會審查 宣告閉 |
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法院會第108案 現在由國民黨團體 金富爾魯 相關提案並案協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議 本案金富爾魯 相關提案並案協商 下一案 |
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109 委員陳玉珍等擬具房屋稅條例第五條條文修正常案 擬交財政委員會審查宣導並110 委員李坤誠等擬具公職人員選舉報名法第十四條條文修正常案 擬交內政委員會審查宣導並110 行政院行情審議民事訴訟法部分條文修正常案及民事訴訟法實行法第六條 第六條之一及第二十二條條文修正常案擬交司法及法治委員會審查宣導並110 委員陳玉珍等擬具房屋稅條例第五條條條文修正常案 擬交財政委員會審查宣導並110 委員陳 |
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112 行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名單選屬非委員並為副主任委員蔡偉哲及黃謀信軍委員請同樣擬交內政司法及法治兩委會審查宣同令113 行政院函為內政部辦理丹納斯颱風及728豪雨 |
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無異議通過 下議案 |
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114 行政院函為中華民國115年2月11日修正公佈之交通部公路局組織法第七條條文交通部高速公路局組織法第七條條文及交通部港港局組織法第六條條文定制115年3月11日施行擬交司法及法治交通兩委會宣斷並無異議通過 下一條 |
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115 內政部函送因應國際情勢強化老舊建築物修繕補助辦法 擬交內政委員會宣動閉116 經濟部函送因私檢驗家用換尿布台商品之相關檢驗規定 擬交經濟委員會宣動閉117 經濟部函送因私檢驗因而抽籤商品之相關檢驗規定 擬交經濟委員會宣動閉 |
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一一八 經濟部函送英式檢驗安撫奶嘴夾商品之相關檢驗規定 擬交經濟委員會宣討案例一一九 經濟部修正英式檢驗兒童用膏腳液商品之相關檢驗規定 擬交經濟委員會宣討案例一二零 經濟部修正再生能源發電設備設置管理辦法部分條文及第七條附件一 第九條附件二 擬交經濟委員會宣討案例 |
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一二一 經濟部內政部修正工業及礦業團體分業標準醫療及生技器材工業團體業別名稱為生技醫療器材工業及其業務範圍你交經濟內政兩委會宣動畢一二二 農業部廢止各類傳播非經合準不得進入八斗子漁港必殺搏群你交經濟委會宣動畢一二三 農業部修正指定禁止飼養輸入或輸出動物你交經濟委會宣動畢 |
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一二四 農業部函送可可及紅毛單位適用植物品種及種苗法則植物種類 擬交經濟委員會宣傳畢一二五 農業部修正農業科技園區管理服務費及必要費用收費標準第十三條之一 第十三條之二及第十四條條文 擬交經濟委員會宣傳畢一二六 財政部函為機動調降異化石油氣貨物稅應徵稅額擬交財政委員會宣傳畢 |
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一二七 衛生福利部函為本院制定青年基本法通過附帶決議檢証研議十五至未滿十八歲族群參與機制之說明擬交教育及文化委會宣斷並一二八 衛生福利部函為本院制定青年基本法通過附帶決議檢証盤點青年基本法中獲及十五至二十八歲發展性權利之政策規劃書面 報告擬交教育及文化委會宣斷並 |
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159.立法院秘書長罕為本院制定青年基本法通過附帶決議減鬆研議修憲程序並完備相關法制書面報告擬交教育及文化委員會宣傳並無異通過下言13.交易部罕為本院制定青年基本法通過附帶決議減鬆青年生活現況調查期程規劃書面報告擬交教育及文化委員會宣傳並無異通過下言 |
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131 司法院函送嚴重病人保護安置事件參審員遴選作業辦法 擬交司法及法治委員會宣傳並132 環境部修正限制塑膠類拖盤及包裝盒使用公告事項第五項擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳並 |
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議員議案 |
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1.3.4大陸委員會涵送香港特殊地位檢討及香港人道援助關懷行動專案執行情形115年1月報告你交內政委員會宣傳畢委會1.3.4案現在由台灣民眾黨團體改交審查本案交內政委員會審查下一頁 |
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135財政部函送114年度政府有償取得公共服務案件執行情形及績效書面報告你交財政委員會宣傳令報告議會135案有台灣民眾黨團提議改交審查本案交財政委員會審查 下一案 |
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一三六金融監督管理委員會含送所屬周邊單位之董事長總經理及專任人員由公務員退休轉任者之薪資與獎金月退奉集優惠存款等資料擬交財政委員會宣讀完畢一三七司法院含送一百十四年度司法院所屬機關通訊監察業務統計年報擬交司法法治委員會宣讀完畢 |
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通過貿易會第138案到233依序宣讀其中138至144、145、147、149、151、152、154、156、157、163至166 |
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195至197案 台灣民眾黨團體改交審查第147 165案 國民黨黨團體改交審查宣讀之後 以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘的議案均照議事處意見處理通過請問院會有異議沒有異議 我們宣讀 宣讀之後通過 請宣讀 |
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第138案行政院139案及140案內政部141案客家委員會142案大陸委員會143案及144案海洋委員會145案及146案國防部147案侨務委員會148案農業部149 |
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9至152岸經濟部153岸財政部154岸國家科學及技術委員會155岸中央研究院156岸國立工工博物院157岸文化部158岸至162岸立法院秘書長163岸法務部164至166岸環境部167岸至192岸經濟部193岸至226岸財政部227岸交通部228岸法務部捍衛各年度相關預算114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算等預算決議 |
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分別檢証相關報告229案內政部2230案海洋委員會含送115年度中央政府總預算案預算刊物表宣讀完畢 |
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231 案為本院司法及法制外交及國防兩委會函位用會交付相關行政命令已於立法院職權行使法第61條鎖定審查期限232 案至240 案為本院內政委員會報告審查相關人民團體請願案經審查結果均不成為一案241 案為本院人事處函位本院第11屆全國不分區及僑居國外國民地域 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨籍許委員忠信已於115年4月22日星期三上午11時30分到院宣誓就職質詢事項行政院答覆部分行政院函送本院邱委員鄭君等所提質詢之書面答覆共七件宣讀完畢委員會李燕秀委員謝依鳳委員林倩琦委員發表聲明剛才的表決與國民黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄 |
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國運會林黛樺委員發表聲明剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄國運會我們報告事項已經處理完畢現在要進行討論事項第一案醫療法第12條第102條及第102條之一條文修正草案台灣民眾黨團體經第四會期第13次的會議決定自委會抽出淨富二讀並由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商 |
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另外 蘇清泉委員等 經第四會期第十八次會議決定 禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商我們現在本案已經完成協商 請宣讀協商結論 |
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19217.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
19235.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
法院黨團協商結論時間115年5月8日星期五上午10時地點異常主席辦公室協商主題醫療法第12條第106條及第102條之一條文修正草案協商結論第12條增訂第102條之一條文保留送院會一各黨團版本提出先後進行處理二 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
19236.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
19250.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
第102條維持現行條文不予修正3.本案三讀後有各黨團各推派藝人發言協商主持人韓國瑜協商代表傅坤祺 林沛翔 徐宇貞陳七團 王安祥 邱慧露蔡其昌 莊惠雄 范雲選讀完畢全院會對以上協商結論有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
19252.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
19281.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
沒有異議本案後續依照協商結論進行處理另外羅廷維委員等提案經本次會議決定進行相關提案並案討論現在進行逐條討論報院會本案保留條文僅宣讀院會所收各黨團版本再修正動議其餘的提案內容均列入公報紀錄進行處理的時候依序進行表決如果其中一案通過其他就不再進行處理 |
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19282.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
19303.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
醫療法請宣讀保留條文第12條台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第12條醫療機構設有病房收治病人者為醫院僅因能診者為診所非以直接診治病人為目的而辦理醫療業務之機構為其他醫療機構前向診所則設置9張以下之觀察病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
19304.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
19332.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
副產科診所得醫醫療業務需要設置10張以下產科病房病床醫療機構之類別與各類醫療機構應設置之服務設施人員及診療科別設置條件等之設置標準由中央主管機關定之前校設置標準醫院即興一班病床關於三班護病比之比例由中央主管機關成立諮詢委員會斟酌病人安全之維護及勞動權益之保障定之並每年檢討一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
19332.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
19356.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
第二十一調整之首次規範與設置標準之三方互併比標準以中華民國一百十三年三月一日施行之三方互併比標準為準其後三方互併比標準之檢討與調整由前項諮詢委員會定之第四項諮詢委員會委員人數為九至十一名護理相關專業團體代表人數不得少於全體委員人數二分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
19357.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
19369.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
民進黨黨團修正動議第12條醫療機構設有病房收治病人者為醫院僅因門診者為診所非以直接診治病人為目的而辦理醫療業務之機構為其他醫療機構前項診所得設置9張以下至觀察病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
19373.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
19401.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
不产科诊所得依医疗业务需要设置10张以下产科病床医疗机构之类别与各类医疗机构应设置之服务设施人员及诊疗科别设置条件等之设置标准由中央主管机关定之前项设置标准应定定医院即兴一班病床三班互并比之比例基准且应衡着护理人力护理照护品质与护理权益等因素按医院评鉴各层级委员分别定之并定其检讨 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
19402.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
19429.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
DC向三方互定比之比例基准之定定由中央主管机关成立咨询会定之其成员组成应就不拒名义代表身份之学者专家法学专家医用者代表医疗及护理相关专业团体联聘之其中医疗及护理相关专业团体委员之比例应各占全体委员总数之三分之一任意性别之成员人数不得少于全体成员总数之三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
19431.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
19446.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
國民黨黨團在修正動議第十二條醫療機構設有病房收治病人者為醫院僅因能診者為診所非以直接診治病人為目的而辦理醫療業務之機構為其他醫療機構前線診所則設置九三以下之觀察病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
19447.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
19466.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
科診所得依醫療業務需要設置十張以下產科病床醫療機構之類別與各類醫療機構應設置之服務設施人員及診療科別設置條件等之設置標準由中央主管機關定之前項設置標準醫院及新病患病床關於三班護病比之比例由中央主管機關專注病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
19466.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
19481.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
安全之維護及勞動權益之保障並之並每三年檢討一次必要時經調整之首次公佈於設置標準之三方互併比標準以民國一百十三年三月一日施行之三方互併比標準為準宣討完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
19483.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
19503.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我們要進行表決台灣民眾黨團在修正綜藝條文現在有民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們要開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團在修正綜藝條文請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
19577.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
19604.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
報告 表決結果出席委員59位贊成8位反對51位棄權0位贊成的少數台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文不通過我們現在進行表決民進黨黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團要求記名表決贊成和贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
19676.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
19693.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
抱怨會報告表決結果抱怨會報告表決結果出席111位贊成51位反對60位棄權0位我們贊成則少數民進黨黨團在修正動議條文不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
19704.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
19715.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我們要再進行國民黨團再修正動議條文現在由民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成國民黨團請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
19807.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
19809.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
好,報告員會報告表決結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
19814.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
19825.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
包圍會報告表決結果出席110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數第12條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
19832.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
19845.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
法院會林大化委員發表聲明剛才表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄法院會102條維持現行條文現在進行保留條文增訂第102條之一請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
19848.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
19876.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
台湾民众党党团国民党党团共同锁定在修正条在修正统一第102条之一违反中央主管机关一第12条第4项规定锁定之设置标准者处于司法第11条第1项锁定三地领导医疗机构因下列16规定处罚并令限期改善一地区医院处新台币5万元以上25万元以下罚还二区医院处新台币20万元以上100万元以下罚还三 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
19876.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
19903.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
醫學中心處新台幣100萬元以上原本200萬元以下罰還請向屆期未改善者按次連續處罰處罰達三次屆滿一年未改善者處一個月以上一年以下停業處分民進黨黨團在修正動議第102條之一不予甄定宣斷閉請問議員會本條照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提在修正動議條文有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
19905.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
19924.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
沒有異議我們就無異議就無異議的話我們共同國民黨團民進黨台灣民眾黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過報告先生我們全案已經經過二讀現在三個黨團分別提議繼續進行三讀請問會不會有異議沒有異議我們要宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
19927.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
19944.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
第十二条医疗机构设有病房收治病人者为医院仅因能诊者为诊所非以直接诊治病人为病例而办理医疗业务之机构为其他医疗机构请向诊所得设置9张以下之观察病床并妇产科诊所得依医疗业务需要设置10张以下产科病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
19945.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
19973.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
醫療機構之類別與各類醫療機構應設置之服務設施人員及診療科別設置條件等之設置標準由中央主管機關定之請向設置標準醫院急性病一般病床官與三方護病比之比例由中央主管機關斟酌病人安全之維護及勞動權益之保障定之並每三年檢討一次必要時應調整之所次規範於設置標準之三方護病比標準以民國113年3月1日施行之三方護病比標準為準 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
19974.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
19990.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
第102條之一違反中央主管機關一第十二條第四項規定鎖定之設置標準者除醫師法第十一條第一項鎖定三地離島醫療機構一下列二規定處罰病例限制改善一地區醫院處刑條第五萬元以上二十五萬元以下罰還 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
19991.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
20014.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
二 區議院處新台幣20萬元以上100萬元以下罰還三 醫學中心處新台幣100萬元以上200萬元以下罰還請向這期未改善者按次連續處罰處罰罰三次 屆滿一年未改善者處一個月以上一年以下停業處分 宣讀完畢議員會我們三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問議員會有無文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
20015.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
20037.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
面文字修正我們做以下決議醫療法增訂第102條之一條文並將第12條條文修正通過報院會本院陳青龍委員等針對本案三讀之決議提出附議並請院會隨即表決處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
20041.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
20050.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
20074.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
20074.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
加油 加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
20152.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
20152.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
好 謝謝謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
20389.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
20390.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
謝謝謝謝謝謝好,謝謝各位委員,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
20410.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
20436.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
好 報告各位 報告院會我們要繼續進行處理請各位委員回座本院陳青龍委員等針對本案三讀決議提出附議請院會隨即表決處理我們進行處理本件的附議案現在進行表決針對陳青龍委員等所提附議案現在有民進黨團 台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
20511.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
20517.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
出席110位 贊成0票 反對59票 棄權51票 贊成者少數 附議案不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
20532.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
20537.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們要進行處理院會所收台灣民眾黨團附帶決議共一項請議事人宣讀附帶決議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
20542.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
20567.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
臺灣民眾黨黨團附帶決議為保留定期檢討之談信原增訂醫療法第十二條第四項明定中央主管機關衛生福利部應由醫事司及與照護司共同邀集相關學者專家及護理相關專業團體代表且有鑒於落實傾聽基層護理人員需求護理相關專業團體必須包括工會團體如護理產業工會成立諮詢委員會討論並決定各級醫院每一班別護產人員最低人數比率宣布完畢全院會有異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
20568.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
20590.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
面議照案通過我們要進行表決針對有一個更正報告委員會楊耀委員發表聲明剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄現在我們要進行完成立法程序之後各黨團推派代表之發言首先請林月琴委員發言王育民委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
20607.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
20634.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
院長各位同仁民主進步黨主張三班互併筆錄法也堅持捍衛護理人員的權益對落實賴總統的承諾我們不只是三班互併筆錄法也包括提升護理待遇改善工作條件解決醫療人員能力的不足民主進步黨的政府不是今天才開始做而是從制度人力薪資職場環境一起推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
20635.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
20664.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
民進黨作為負責任的政府我們認為要有配套措施制度才會落地此外我也要強調這不是法案通過後政府才開始做民進黨很清楚護理師能夠健康工作病人才能夠安全照顧所以從112年開始政府就啟動了三班護病筆的演商歷經了七個版本討論113年正式推動制度行政院也同步推動了護理能源政策的 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
20665.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
20682.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
準備中長城計畫四年投入了275億元推動了12項核心策略所以今天入法對於民進黨政府來說不是從零開始而是把它已經推動的已經有成果的制度正式寫進醫療法可是今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
20683.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
20700.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
看到了國民黨的版本完全不成立諮詢會讓各方的相關厲害人進來討論更誇張的是我們的民眾黨你丟包護理人員背叛了護理人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
20702.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
20727.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
然後完全去支持國民黨的版本相較於民主進步黨的版本事實上是針對於醫療跟護理人相關人員團體各佔三分之一因為我們兼顧的所有成員相關利害人士的意見都能夠納入那才是真正維護護理人員的權益更是維護我們病人的權益謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
20733.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
20755.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
主席各位委員大家好今天國民黨跟民眾黨我們把三班互併筆入法賴清德做不到的事情國民黨跟民眾黨做到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
20758.727 |
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20774.99 |
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國民黨跟民眾黨我們跟著所有的護理師大家一起討論一起前進大家都看到了護理師的憤怒前陣子有上千位的護理師才到衛福部前面抗議 |
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這個就是賴清德不作為讓護理師都憤怒了群起而抗議所以民進黨如果還要說自己做得有多好去問問護理師就知道他們的憤怒已經忍無可忍所以今天醫療法我們正式把三班護便筆入法是送給所有全國護理師 |
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5月12號國際護理師節最好的禮物他們的辛勞他們的付出我們都看見了所以今天我們把三班護病品正式入法而且還加上了罰則我們不希望我們的護理師再這麼的血汗我們不希望我們的護理師為了三班護病品還要繼續上街頭來奔波 |
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所以今天的修法是成功的一大步當然我們知道所有辛苦的護理師他們在職場的現場還有非常多辛苦跟壓力我們也會持續為他們來爭取 |
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三班护病笔入法不是会造成关闯不要饱果为因三班护病笔入法正式实现我们照顾护理师为我们健康的医疗产业再更进一步护理师好病人才会好谢谢大家谢谢王玉明委员的发言谢谢接下来我们请登记最后一位 |
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好接下來登記最後一位第三號發言委員邱惠如委員請發言主席還有各位現場的委員大家好 |
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我想我們護理人員有30萬大軍但是真正投入職場的卻只有19萬這麼大的人力缺口是什麼原因造成的我想大家應該也不陌生因為每天新聞都在報導著血汗護理的困境我們的困境是低薪勞動條件差高護病比所以為護理人員來爭取合理的護病比是當務之急 |
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現在規範護病比的標準是一個叫做全日平均護病比全日平均護病比沒有辦法讓每一班別的護理人員負荷合理的工作量所以台灣民眾黨一直以來致力於推動合理的三班護病比而且要把這些合理的三班護病比數據入法打造一個 |
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合理工作負擔的環境給護理人員這才是對護理人員最好的回饋因為只有合理的工作量才能夠造就高品質的醫療照護還有病人的安全我們全心全意的來為護理人員的職場盡一份心力今天看到三班護病筆入法心中非常的高興特別是保護醫護的權益是 |
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柯文哲主席競選總統的承諾今天三班戶並比入法我們做到了我們落實了我想用實際的行動來力挺護理界這就是最好的證明每天立法院都有成百上千的法條被審查 |
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今天三幫互併比通過了市立法院的一小步但是卻是我們護理界的一大步在爭取三幫互併比的漫漫長路護理人員終於走完最後一里路謝謝大家 |
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好 謝謝好 抱怨會我們要進行討論事項第二案抱怨會我們進行強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院外交及國防財政兩委會於115年3月23日、25日及26日舉行年新會議進行審查會議由外交及國防委員會陳昭吉委員冠廷擔任主席會中請主管機關國防部報告定請財政部等相關機關派員列席備詢與會委員於聽取說明及詢答後對法案進行逐條審查經縝密討論 |
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本全案審查完略並通過附帶決議一項另有保留附帶決議一項原金決議並按領據審查報告提報用會用會審議前須交由黨團協商用會討論時由陳昭吉委員冠廷補充說明宣導完畢我們現在請陳冠廷委員補充說明 |
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院長各位同仁大家午安那今天是其實是一個非常嚴肅的一個議題我們這次的國防特別條例由行政院那他提出來1.25兆的這樣子的國防預算他其實是全面性的他包含的軍購也包含的商購也包含的委制 |
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那其實在這幾個月來跟許多在野黨的我們的國會議員的朋友們其實有很多討論那我在這邊沒有辦法一一的點名因為我們知道當我們肯定某些委員的時候其實會讓他們造成更大的壓力會有更多強硬派的人用更不堪的語言來去攻擊他們 |
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從三千多億走到七千多億走到商購家委制可能會納入又回到三千多億那最後我們今天看到由國民黨跟民眾黨的這個版本是七千八百億那其實這段的過程當中有很多的委員都已經很清楚為什麼我們要有匡列這1.25兆這是條例這不是預算 |
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國防特別條例裡面它有著我們需要的勤收感知目標獲得指揮管制AI輔助無人系統反制能力彈藥補給後勤為寶還有最重要的國內產線我們剛才上述講的每一項它都是包含在1.25兆裡面的如果我們只限縮於對美軍購的話 |
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那如果有一天台灣被圍 台灣被封鎖我們要怎麼樣維持我們的彈藥我們要怎麼樣維持持續作戰的量能這些都是非常清楚的如果各位同仁這是條例喔 這不是預算喔您對這個預算裡面的項目 您有意見的你可以刪它 在預算的時候你可以減它 在預算的時候你可以動它 在預算的時候 |
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如果就像某些這一黨的委員提到你懷疑會有貪污你懷疑會有腐敗提出證據讓檢調辦他那這些都是這麼清楚的事情讓我們忍不住懷疑有些指控可能是自白 |
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這些指控可能是代表說他們過去的行為模式就是會做這樣的事情但是他們不知道說台灣現在的國防產業已經不同以往如果現今我們沒有辦法自己產能那待我們遇到戰時的時候就絕對來不及了烏克蘭的戰場上面就是一個很好的例子90%以上的擊殺率全部都是無人載具來去實施 |
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90%以上現在在戰場上面的成功的戰士也都是無人載具他能夠去成功的 |
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所以我們這一次1.25兆裡面的軍購的部分就算你編列7800多億也有可能不夠昨天國防部長顧立雄已經講得非常清楚了如同美國先前智慧國會的金額到正式的發價書裡面的海馬士多關火箭系統報價已經從1200多億漲到1600多億請問如果最後的價格超過匡列的7800多億那我們的國防怎麼辦 |
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其實這些我們一而再再而三的跟所有的同仁們講得很清楚但是我看起來不像不是不懂他其實是在徹底的我認為有部分的一些國民黨的領導者是想要把台灣去武裝化 |
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你們要去對話歡迎但你們對話不可以在恐懼下對話怎麼樣不在恐懼下對話你必須要有實力有實力你的對話才有重量你的實力的建構就必須透過軍購 委制 商購缺一不可 |
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台灣本土的國防產業鏈特別是無人載具的產業鏈不管是從台中以南到我們雲嘉地區它已經目前正在形成聚落它需要時間它需要更多的資源進入才能夠維持產線的製造 |
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今天如果我們沒有把長期的特別預算透過七八年間長期的再去補助長期的再去援助的話那我們到時候我們並沒有辦法來去伸展出像烏克蘭一樣的無人載具系統我不斷的提起烏克蘭大家請要記住烏克蘭在跟俄羅斯的作戰之前他們的國防預算只有2%多 |
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直到跟國防直到跟吳方跟俄羅斯真正戰鬥的時候一次提升到30多%我們現在如果投資在國防的特別條例上面未來就能夠避免到時候要把國家30% 40%所有的預算投入所以我還是誠懇的跟所有的在野黨委員還有我們所有的國民報告1.25兆是我們的底線 |
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好謝謝我們召集委員陳冠廷委員的補充說明現在本案已經完成協商請宣讀協商結論 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間115年4月15日星期三下午三十三十分4月23日星期四下午二十4月27日星期一下午二十三十分5月6日星期三下午三十地點立法院紅樓302會議室協商主題延長強化防衛任性及不對稱戰力計劃採購特別條例草案案 |
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寫商結論一 寫商通過名稱及條文含保留條文如附件一二 前開附件保留條文 院會進行處理時一個黨團版本提出先後進行處理三 原台灣民眾黨黨團提案第六條改為寫商通過附帶決議一項如附件二 原國民黨黨團提案第八條不予採納四 審查會保留附帶決議一項不予處理其餘均照審查會審查結果通過五 本案條文及援引之條次授權議事人員調整 |
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6.本案院會進行處理時非保留部分宣讀後均與通過保留部分均暫保留保留條文進行處理前各保留條文分別由國民黨黨團推派三人民進黨黨團推派三人台灣民眾黨黨團推派一人發言每人發言三分鐘發言必及不再進行發言進行各保留條文之處理本案三讀後不再發言7.院會新收復待決議共事項其中第二項保留送院會處理其餘照附件三通過主持人韓國瑜協商代表傅坤祺林沛翔徐宇貞蔡其昌莊惠雄范雲陳慶榮王陽祥邱惠祿宣讀完畢 |
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請問院會對以上協商結論有無意義沒有意義的話我們本案後續依照協商結論進行處理我們現在進行逐條討論依照協商結論非保留部分宣讀之後均予以通過保留部分均暫保留強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案請宣讀名稱保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例宣讀完畢照協商名稱通過請宣讀第一條 |
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第一條 為因應敵情威脅及迫切之國防需要建制可保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力之武器及裝備運用重陳後主強化防衛韌性 後持國防實力以提升聯合作戰效能 確保國家安全特制定本條例宣傳並照寫上條文通過 請宣讀第二條 |
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第二條本條例之主管機關為國防部宣讀完畢第三條國防部辦理本條例所定軍事採購及相關建構計畫應依政府採購法及其他國防相關法令辦理之並視計畫限制就其防衛目標戰力需求裝備規格 |
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取得方式、期成規劃、財務方案後勤資源、維修整合、預期效益及風險控管等事項提出詳實規劃其涉及重大政策或整體戰略結果則應分別領據可行性評估、整體規劃及替代方案之成本效益分析等報告提報行政院核定宣讀完畢照協商條案通過請宣讀第四條 |
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第四條本條例所稱保護國家安全及強化部隊參戰力計畫採購指主管機關及其所屬機關共部隊辦理經行政院核定採購第五條鎖定項目之裝備系統與其相關資源系統裝備之獲得產製維修工程及訓練訓練幣照協商條案通過請限讀第四條 |
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照寫上條文通過第五條保留第六條保留請宣讀第七條第七條本條例所列預算制執行因應下列規定辦理一審計機關因應法辦理審計二主管機關因應預算法第六三條辦理留用前非經理法院同意不得留用主管機關因應專案列管及考核 |
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本條例所列計畫之執行並將執行進度及績效每會提向立法院提出專案報告主管機關及其上級機關應依法執行並落實監督機制確保國防預算確實投入戰略建構本條例施行屆滿之日次年五月底前主管機關應若即實施成效作成總結報告並送立法院宣斷畢 |
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第八條本條例及其特別預算施行期間自公佈日施行至中華民國一百二十二年十二月二十三十一日止本條例及其特別預算施行期滿未及執行部分必要使得經立法院同意延長之宣讀完畢 |
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照學生條文通過報院會我們現在進行處理保留部分第五條第六條條文本案保留條文僅宣讀院會所收各黨團版本再修正動議其餘的提案內容均列入公報記錄進行處理的時候依序進行表決如果其中一樣通過我們不再處理其他案現在進行保留條文第五條請宣讀 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團 國民黨黨團共同鎖敵在修正動議第五條本條例鎖定國保為國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計畫採購之項目如下1.M109A7自走炮2.海馬斯多管火箭飛彈系統3.反甲型無人機飛彈系統4.標稱反甲飛彈5. |
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脫色AOB反甲飛彈6. |
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下列經美國政府於本條例施行後一年內同意授予之軍購項目1. |
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軟硬3. |
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混合反制無人機系統2. |
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各型反彈道及防空飛彈3. |
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中低空防空系統4. |
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反甲飛彈戰備存量補充案本條例所編列特別預算案應載明採購之裝備系統與其相關資源系統裝備之具體名稱 |
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數量、預算金額、全售期維持成本及預計執行年度民進黨在修正動議第五條本條例所定強化防二任性及不對稱戰力計畫採購之項目如下一、精準火炮二、遠程精準打擊飛彈三、無人載具及其反制系統四、防空反彈道及反專長飛彈 |
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五 人工智慧輔助與指揮管制通信資訊網路情報監視及偵查系統六 強化作戰持續量能相關裝備七 台美共同研發及採購合作之裝備系統訓亂地我們現在進行保留桃園各黨團推派代表之發言首先請馬文君委員發言 洪玉祥委員請準備 |
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這裏是一間餐廳 |
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謝謝主席我們這一次審查這個條例一開始說中共2027年要犯台所以要用特別條例一定要趕快買理由就是因為急迫性講到急迫性特別預算應該要放真正急需的東西就是今年如果不買不行明年就來不及了會直接影響作戰的項目可是我們看到特別條例編了8年的期程要到2023年 |
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跟宣稱的2027年這個生死線根本拿不到武器裝備我們現在再回頭看看去年10月我們剛通過的任性特別預算其中跟國防相關的就編了1100多億結果那裡面都編了一些什麼 |
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比如像兵棋會議室兩間就要6000萬長官的座椅一張要5萬塊瓶裝水一瓶要120塊而且還買了投影機LED螢幕視聽設備還拿來鋪道路還有車輛的鋼棚還有 |
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防射防水電力更新甚至還有用池的整修都是這一類的這在去年半年之前才通過的特別預算如果這些看到都不是很急迫性的東西現在說這個1.25兆裡面所有放的項目都非常的重要我們除了軍購以外我們看不到 |
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這些你們說非常重要的都沒有一個放到我們之前的特別預算裡面所以這不是真正為了建軍只是把特別預算當用國安當理由突破舉債的上限 |
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我們這次通過的版本希望可以建立特別預算它用途限制的原則也避免特別條例從特殊用途把它變成大型統包像國防、任性、AI、民防、雲端、基礎建設 |
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還有剛剛說了很多還不成熟的武器裝備全部一起把它包進去政府動輒都可以用國安任性戰備的名義來把原本應該逐年審查的常態性支出全部都轉到長年期的特別條例所以這一次我們再回頭看一看我們現在最重要的防衛台灣的武器裝備是什麼 |
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天上飛的地上跑的還有水下游的我們的戰機66架到現在連一架都還沒有來特別條例已經是最後一年了我們的M1A2今年已經超過8年的時間最後一批也到台灣了 |
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可是到了以後最後一坪來了才發現我們的訓場還沒有建設完成而且這個地表最強的戰車我們到現在還沒有戰場的指揮管理系統這是現在才發現的嗎還有我們的潛艦如果從前年在邊緣 |
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好 謝謝馬文君委員的發言接下來請洪裕祥委員發言陳冠廷委員請準備 |
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我想這個國防安全對我們來講當然都是很重要的一件事情但是從我們民眾黨在野的一個立委的角度來看你怎麼這樣子來落實這個嚴格的一個監督那從這個民進黨講1.25兆的軍購一塊錢都不能少 |
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然後當時我們在看這些案子的時候說實在我都不曉得1.25兆到底是在買什麼東西直到我們這個黨主席王國昌跟我們的副總張安祥跑去美國問了這個時候我們才會知道說原來這1.25兆來講真正對美軍購的大概就差不多只有4千億 |
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那從過去我們來看3月就N10972這樣子的一個報價1375億國安部到4月變成是810億這中間就少了500多億 |
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然後接下來在424號的採訪個發表書裡頭它又變成是738億再少了50億所以這些東西來講的話我們到底要買到什麼用多少錢那我們是覺得有必要是把它列清楚 |
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所以我們絕對支持對台灣有用的這樣子的軍購所以我們在收到美國的發價書之後我們在第五條裡頭才去明略我們應該要採購的項目根據這樣子的對美的一個軍購書同時我們也希望要求這樣子的一個整個的編制來講採取一年一期的一個方式來編列那麼同時我們也希望行政院 |
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能夠在這一個條例特別來通過之後來我們立法院做專案的報告讓我們了解這整個購買武器對台灣的戰略的一個需求到底滿足了我們什麼樣子的一個不同的防禦性的目標同時對後續的維護人員的訓練整個資通訊系統的串接也應該要一併的說明另外對於我們這些財政 |
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其他的不管是社福等等的這些支出的排擠也應該要有一個妥善的評估 |
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所以基本上到底1.25兆買什麼為什麼一毛都不能少我們民眾黨就用非常務實的角度去把第一批應該儲買的金額計算出來甚至未來我們也預留如果美國通過LA8加速給我們的時候的這樣子的採購項目我們也把它給算出來預留這樣子的一個額度的空間希望在合理的預算 |
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好的一個這樣子的監督的體系底下能夠保障台灣的國防安全 |
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謝謝院長還有各位同仁那還補充一下其實剛才提到的不是一毛錢都不能刪而是這個條例他是框上限是1.25兆未來的預算你可以刪你可以減你可以動 |
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那如果你懷疑有任何的貪污伏筆甚至可以拿來辦那剛才已經講得很清楚了他是上線那預算的內容是可以經過國會完整的審議覺得不好的項目覺得需要的數量沒有那麼多的覺得是有伏編伏報的你都可以做修正來去安排但是剛剛我們提到 |
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要補上的部分是什麼先前智慧國衛的金額到正式的發價書如同海馬士多館火箭的報價金額有大幅度的變動他從1200多億漲到1600多億所以我們為什麼要用這個條例來去做一個上限的匡列就是確保這個上限裡面我們能夠採買到我們要採買的東西那如果未來我們匡列完之後在預算的部分當然 |
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在野黨你們的天職就是監督那執政黨的天職就是推動政策但我們不能夠讓政策無法被推動譬如說假設七千八百多億的上限沒有辦法被完整的執行因為他超越我們的所有的金額的話那怎麼辦呢 |
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那是不是軍購上面又遇到一些困難了呢所以當初我不斷的在跟我們在野黨的同仁來去做應該說討論的時候就是希望說把可行性先把它做出來所以我們也曾經聽到過來自台中的這些國民黨的這些重要的領導人物從市長到院長到副院長你們都很清晰的知道說軍購裡面的一些問題之外還有商購跟委制的重要性 |
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所以幾個現實的問題我再補充第一個你們有提到說如果美國同意的這個授予的時間你們用一年嘛但是如果超過一年的話是不是就不能夠用這個條例的第二階段的4800億元那第二如果美國同意授予的項目不在這裡面那你是不是也不能夠都用這筆特別預算 |
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那我要提醒七千八百億它不是一個真正完整可以執行的軍購額度它是三千億元加上四千八百億兩段式的額度第一段的被金融上限卡住第二段被一年限期還有列舉的品項卡住這樣的規定它本身連軍購都很難以執行所以我在這邊誠摯的呼籲同仁 |
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國家安全是不可以兒戲的國防預算是可以審查但是不能夠修到你直接失去戰力國會可以監督但是你們不要讓條文來去變得自愛難行所以現在如果可以的話來仔細思考一下怎麼樣讓至少你現在你把委資跟商貨已經完整的把它完全排除掉了你讓我們的國內產業鏈已經完全沒有辦法在這幾年能夠完整的來去蓬勃的發展至少在軍購的部分你們是不是要再考量一下怎麼樣讓它可以執行 |
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好 謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言接下來我們請許巧欣委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席各位同仁在這裡呢我們要很嚴正的表達國民黨不反對國防國民黨支持軍人國民黨也支持合理的建軍以及軍購但是我們絕對不接受把一個軍售商購委制全部混為一談規避監督的特別條例 |
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否則就變成是民進黨也好 國防部也好自己明知不可為 硬要為之擋了條例卻把在野黨的理性監督抹成不愛台灣說穿了 只是把抗中保台的神主牌再一次拿來當成政治攻擊的工具 |
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为什么我们支持军售FMS因为这有助于台湾能够取得先进的战略武器但是商购的部分我要请教一下先前的这些黑幕解决了吗承认了吗抱歉了吗以后会不会还有呢茶叶行可以承包资安的系统 |
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室內裝修公司馬桶商可以得標RDX的炸藥類似這樣的商購是大家擔心編列在特別條例裡面以後無法監督的主要原因如果有一些根本沒有軍事相關背景的公司都能夠跨界標下高風險的彈藥以及系統工程那我們當然會認為在特別條例裡面編列是有疑慮的 |
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民进党口中的1.25兆一块都不能少根本就是情绪勒索对全民进行PUA我们会不清楚吗回头看看过去F16V的采购4000亿元的一开始的规模民进党当初全面执政的认为太高最后只编列了2472亿元的特别预算剩余的回归100亿算 |
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為什麼以前可以做到現在不行呢為什麼當時可以拆分現在硬要捆綁呢是不是就是要利用特別預算去規避相關的監督 |
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所以我們認同無人載具 商購 偽製案可以編入一般的預算你要說產線 炸藥 子彈請問特別條例只有8年開產線只開8年的有聽過嗎我們8年以後還要在這裡再弄一次特別條例把它再延長嗎一點道理都沒有的事情 |
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现在目前9498亿的国防预算里面就有1871亿是因为特别预算的膨胀所导致的所以过于依赖特别预算的做法在于我们有责任跟义务要保持平衡而不是无限扩张 |
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所以要拜託各位一起支持合理監督的軍購版本謝謝大家 |
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主席 各位委員在這邊這一次的軍購條例我認為就兩件事情是全體國人一定要明白的第一個它已經被拖延了162天從去年11月一直到現在遲遲本來一直沒有辦法被討論中間的理由非常多一下說是總統必須要來急問急答國情報告一下又是因為誰跟誰要會面要延期 |
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所以從頭到尾呢 在程序上面呢 他就是一直被拖延的一個案子從一開始說連一毛都沒有 然後到三千八 到八千 然後現在又可以退回到七千八所以從頭到尾 其實從頭到尾的目的都只有一個就是他們想要拖延這一個軍購 |
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拖延軍購最後會造成什麼樣的結果會造成我們國防的空窗期會造成我們本來去年一整年已經談好的deal要重新八個月再來談這個國防空窗期請問誰來負責更不要講說國際對我們的信任國內的產業對我們的期待國際在等待台灣跟這些民主盟友站在一起的時候我們釋放的訊息是什麼再來第二件事情 |
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一直以來大家都被誤導說什麼到底要3000、3800、3500、7800、8000、1.25兆請群體國人一定要注意一件事情我們現在討論的這一條第五條它的重點是在於你能夠買什麼項目所以呢你今天如果通過1.25兆最後就只能比如說買五個項目那等於這個1.25兆也沒有意義啊 |
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所以今天不管他們的金額是多少所有事情的關鍵在於能夠買什麼跟不能夠買什麼所以我們要看清楚的事情是藍白從第一個版本一直到現在它是什麼東西不讓我們買 |
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比如說他砍掉了台美合作比如說他砍掉了防空的整合系統防空的整合系統有多重要等於是你今天飛彈都有了但是你沒有一個指揮系統你給一個人手跟腳但是你不給他大腦那請問買了這些武器你要怎麼辦 |
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所以今天他們從頭到尾在砍掉的這一些項目裡面從頭到尾都是這個軍購最關鍵的項目但他們卻不斷的誤導國人說一切都是在金額上面所以我到底金額我要通過多少我要怎麼樣做監督這都是在騙人 |
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飛鴻供應鏈被他們拿掉台灣之盾被他們拿掉台美合作被他們拿掉大腦被他們拿掉更不要講說無人產業關係到我們全台灣九萬個工作機會的被他們拿掉所以一方面呢在跟台灣作對一方面呢又在切斷國際對我們的信任這就是藍白在做的事情謝謝好 謝謝沈博洋委員的發言接下來我們請劉許廷委員發言莊瑞前委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席這個我們針對軍購條例我們必須要再次強調在野黨的角色就是要在國家安全跟財政穩定之中求取最佳的平衡美國對台灣的軍售行之有年有相對明確的程序有發價的數字項目也相對清楚所以啊要用特別條例來授權編列特別預算上稱還有正當性我們可以接受這是大原則 |
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但是在這個過程中如果要夾帶商購、偽製把數量膨脹到天文數字的時候我們在一開始就講得非常清楚這樣子的主張只會造成審查的困難事實上我們也花了太多的時間在討論三黨完全沒有共識的項目所以這個條例花了這麼長的時間才能夠進入三讀的這樣子的一個程序 |
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我必須要還原一下在這個過程中美方當然屢次的來拜訪溝通但他們希望的是共商解決的方案我們在內黨的每一個立法委員在跟美方會談的過程中也一直都堅守原則軍購的部分發架書來了當然可以但是其他的部分愛難接受 |
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這樣子的說法跟主張其實美方也能夠尊重在野黨的角色並且表達充分的諒解在美國眾多參眾議員來訪的同時我們也當面強烈的表達第二波的發架書應該要趕快的過來才有助於這個條例的審查跟通過也因為這樣才有了後續的信函說Following weeks接下來的幾週會有正面的消息 |
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基於外交的禮儀這樣子的訊息我們願意正面的解讀但是我們絕對不會隨便在項目裡面我們除了第一波發架書已經來的各種項目明確列入之外第二波發架書我們要求在條例施行後一年發架書一定要來如果 |
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發價書沒有辦法在這個時間內完成公佈等等的相關程序那麼第二波發價書的各項內容也不會成為條例中的項目換言之第二波的4800億一毛都不准用這就是原則 |
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在條例審查的政治攻防的過程中我們看到太多有心人士操作抹黑抹紅謠言不斷放話不停其實啊這是把國防政治化國家要團結國防政治化操作真的是好的嗎請所有好朋友共同三思我想這實在是不可取的行為而在這個過程中意圖利用美國大搞情緒勒索那更不可取 |
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我們必須講審查的過程中我們承受很大的壓力但是原則我們一分都不會退讓沒有發酵素的經過預算一毛都別想動謝謝大家 |
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最後一位委員發言之前容我提醒各黨團幹部各位委員同仁好幾位委員不在現場三分鐘之後我們即將表決麻煩黨團幹部通知所有的委員迅速到場接下來最後一位發言委員莊瑞雄委員請發言謝謝主席還有各位在場的媒體朋友我剛聽了不管是中國國民黨還是台灣民眾黨的朋友你們的發言 |
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我感覺是非常錯亂我們整個軍購條例我們沒有浪費太多時間真正浪費到的時間是中國國民黨還有台灣民眾黨在整個軍購條例在附委的過程裡面你們是一路的擋一路的擋然後到整個朝野協商裡面你們就一直開始喊價 |
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剛開始3500億接下來3800億然後呢 台灣民眾黨是4000億國民黨 朝野協商第二次你們進來說好 N4200好了你們是在整個審理過程裡面胡亂的一個砍價非常遺憾的就是說在審理的過程裡面我們行政院提出版本是7條中國國民黨你們到最後你們現在的修正案裡面變8條你們在整個修法的過程裡面畏首畏尾啊 |
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第一條 本來行政院的版本是因應中共軍事的威脅你要怕死 說不可以用中共軍事威脅你該做什麼 該做敵情威脅啦連中共對台灣是最大的一個威脅來源你們都不敢讓它入法 這個第一個第二個呢台灣民眾人也好 中國國民黨的朋友也好這整個軍購的一個專案 命令會議裡面你們走進去了嗎 |
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走進去的每一個人我相信對於台美合作委託製造的部分啊你們都是表達贊同的出來你們就說哇很痛苦的結果你們上台講的完全不一樣欺騙國人啊各位你再把它想想看 |
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你當台北市是一個首都的城市每一個要競選台北市長的人都會跟你講說我要建置一個智慧的一個城市那如果用我們軍購來講的話就是說智慧的城市沒有啦他有在軍智慧城市監視器買兩個啊電線買幾條啊主機買幾條就好什麼AI什麼雲端什麼中央控制系統全部都不用這就是現在的中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨 |
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你們把原來行政院的版本人工智慧的部分還有通信還有網路情報還有強化作戰系統能量台美合作全部你都把他一刀把他給砍掉了你們說發架書來我就給發架書來我就給台美合作哪來發架書 |
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跟落馬一起來偽造 共同研發 哪來發架書你砲彈打完了 打完了以後國防自主在台灣之上 你哪來發架書你們認為這個都不重要你嘴巴全部都講支持台灣的國防可是你們一路反對今天朝委協商 我也問了韓院長反無人機系統已經砍成這個樣子 你接下來怎麼辦 |
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好 謝謝莊瑞雄偉的發言 |
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發言會各黨團推派代表發言已經完畢我們要開始進行表決現在台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提第五條在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團 |
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台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團國民黨團在修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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好 報告表決結果好 報告院會大家請肅靜我們要報告一下表決結果初期 |
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出席110位委員贊成59票反對51票棄權0票贊成者多數第五條照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過我們現在進行第六條保留條文請宣讀 |
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台湾民众党党团 国民党党党团共同所提在修正统一第六条一本条例办理保卫国家安全及强化不对称战略计划之采购前条第一项第一款至第五款项目至第一批发价书预算上限为新台币三千亿元前条第一项第六款项目因是取得美国政府正式同意授予后 |
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依据第二批发家书核实编列预算案其预算上限为新台币4800亿元预算之编列以特别预算方式编列其预算编制不受预算法第23条之规定限制非经历法院同意不得相互留用前项采购采一年一期方式编列起码后续期 |
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後續預算及其層經立法院同意後分期辦理預算籌編及審議行政院因與本條例通過後一個月內就第一批發價數預算案向立法院提出下列專案報告並被質詢經立法院同意後使得籌編預算案第二批發價數預算案一統一本條例施行前五國過去五年軍事採購之項目金額效益與當戶情形二本條例採購項目與錢款採購之關係 |
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筹獲建軍後如何有效提升聯合作戰效能第五條採購項目之籌劃期程預期交貨時間與全售期維持成本是因應本條例之採購後國軍人員維持後勤補給資源資訊 |
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资讯通信系统维护之策进作为立法院同意前项各款专案报告后行政院因于二个月内将第一批发架书预算案送立法院审议第二批发架书预算案一同行政院因于立法院审议前条第一项第六款之项目时并同提出采拨进度付款情形装备到货及验收状况次期特别预算案筹编 |
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及致用规划之专案报告第一项所需经费来源得以以用以前年度税计剩余或举借债务方式办理其以特别预算方式编列之每年度举借债务额度不受公共债务法第五条第七项规定之限制中央政府总预算及特别预算于本条例施行期间之举债额度和基数不得超过该期间总预算及特别预算 |
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稅出總額合計數至百分之十五本條例施行期間本中央政府舉借至一年以上公共債務未償餘額預算數因應公共債務法第五條第一項規定範例本條例施行期間各年度中央政府總預算所編列之社會福利支出不得少於一百十五年度中央政府總預算所編列之社會福利支出 |
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民進黨黨團在修正動議第六條本條例所需經費上限為新台幣1兆2500億元以特別預算方式編列其預算編制不受預算法第23條不得充經常支出規定之限制但經費而度應匯率變動影響超過上限部分得以總預算方式編列 |
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前項所需經費來源得以以用以前年度稅計剩餘或舉借債務方式辦理其以特別預算方式編列至每年度舉借債務額度不受公共債務法第五條第七項規定之限制中央政府總預算及特別預算於本條例施行期間之舉債額度合計數不得超過該期間總預算及特別預算稅出總額合計數至15%本條例施行期間中央政府舉借至一年以上公共債務未償 |
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主席 各位同仁 |
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台灣民眾黨基於國防預算的重要性因此在軍購的採訪上重視的是第一國防安全第二個是民主的過程必須要落實第三個是要監督要常態化 |
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因此我們這次跟國民黨所提出來的修正動議當中最重要的是針對已經有發架書的五項軍貢 |
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最高上限是編列到3000億的預算是支持的另外針對還沒有進入還沒有送出的美國的軍購的部分有4800億他是屬於防空飛彈或是無人機系統的部分只要有發價出來我們就會 |
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儘早的把它編列那這邊匡列的預算最高是4800億這些預算呢是以特別預算的方式來編列那最重要的是有這個編列預算之後呢如果我們限定他不得項目跟金額部分呢是不得留用的 |
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另外在先督的方面很重要的是要注意到我們看到在過去的要求過去的這個軍購上面呢有很多沒有跟大家做報告那這個軍購方面我們要求是 |
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如果這個條例通過之後的一個月之內呢就要請行政院來做專案的報告那並備詢專案報告裡面就要對說過去的五年當中有些的預算呢有些的軍購並沒有到位還有呢這次的預算跟過去預算之間的關係是什麼還包括的是全售期的一個維持成本是什麼 |
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包括是現在的人員的跟後勤補給要怎麼進行這些都是我們人民需要知道的只要條例通過之後通通都可以進行的那最後我們還看到的是剛才有委員提到的是是不是包括其他的部分在商購跟委資的部分就沒有了呢甚至在最重要的是在於台美合作部分就是會以 |
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附帶決議的方式來進行所以不用擔心這部分的病情那最後我們要跟大家講的是支持的這樣的一個預算是非常重要他必須跟共同並沒有所謂的拖延的狀況如果有拖延那就是執政黨跟政府他在剛開始在說預算的 |
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跟美國提出來的這樣子需求的時候並沒有一個開始跟我們的國會來做一個溝通導致我們到現在才有延後甚至總統是向對話室先講的因此希望大家去支持的一個合理的編制的國防預算這樣子才能達到國家的安全然後民主流程的監督跟強化監督的落實謝謝大家謝謝劉淑檳委員發言接下來我們請林儲英委員發言賴世寶委員請準備 |
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好 |
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主席各位同仁還有看直播的全國觀眾朋友首先我要先做一個說明那就是現在我們在審查的是國防預算的條例所謂的條例就是先訂出一個框架可是從剛剛在野黨的委員都一直不論如何就是裝睡覺不醒條例所給的金額是一個天花板 |
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你們一直在說一毛不能刪一毛不能砍不是是拉高格局的天花板等到條例過關今天之後預算還要送進來所以你們在審預算的時候難道你們就蒙著眼睛都不來上班了嗎不要忘了我們還要持續研會到8月31號讓某些人有法律的保護傘 |
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所以我要告訴國人的是現在只是框出一個金額國防部會把後續的預算送進來在這裡我們要講的是我們很遺憾藍白兩黨現在給的七千八百億就是一個打到骨折的六四折 |
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國防安全可以打折嗎今天你們面對自己家裡的門鎖可以打折嗎你們給第一線國軍的安全武器防衛武器能夠打折嗎 |
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完全不行啊難道你們現在是要國軍用肉身去擋共軍嗎我要強調的是當你們刪掉了商購跟偽製刪掉的是第一線國軍在近距離當中反制無人機所需要的 |
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你們刪掉了委制那就是直接砍斷我們在機工具我們的重要國防產業當中前進非紅供應鏈的命脈這對於台灣許多重要的機工具廠商來講這就是錯失了先機我要再次強調也告訴全體國人 |
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所有的預算都會進來立法院做審查不論是年度預算還是特別預算請藍燈不要再抹黑特別預算就不能監督如果不能監督那是因為你們不來開會就算是國防部辦了兩次的機密會議你們有來嗎你們沒有來 |
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你們沒有來就說不能監督你們沒有來就說看不見所以我要強調的不論是年度預算或者是特別預算都是可以監督只有怕你們當薪水小偷不來上班最後我要講剛剛國民黨的委員在後面居然講說國防預算是浪費錢養你們才是浪費錢 |
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法定人數不足 |
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謝謝院長 請各位先進那麼現在已經進入省水區了第六條到底要多少錢我想藍白兩黨我們的共識已經出來了那就是第一階段三千 第二階段四千八 總共呢七千八各位 這個項目是什麼這個項目就是FMS |
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就是我們的軍購的全部的金額因為第一批美國已經給我們了就110億美金扣掉年度預算邊的21扣掉90億左右所以算起來就3000億新台幣第二批因為美國媒體不斷的報導以及我們看到我們國防部的相關的官員 |
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間接證實會有DIP大概140億美金所以我們框起來4800億整個加起來7800億這個是一個非常非常我們叫optimize一個很適度的一個size各位這是什麼這是軍購only軍購only為什麼我們知道我們今年115年正在審的我們的國防預算9000多億啊 |
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加上任性條例裡面給了1100億超過一兆那是什麼概念佔GDP超過3點多啦GDP的3點多在全世界也不是多見啦台灣的武裝程度還不夠嗎還不夠嗎現在變一個特別條例一點澳洲一毛錢都不能刪 |
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有這麼壓霸的總統有這麼壓霸的行政系統我們看看前一個總統叫蔡英文他編了一個前瞻他編的前瞻是多少8800億到最後立法院審查通過8400億各位可以刪啦不是說賴清德講的一毛錢都不能刪 |
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一毛錢的不能刪這個叫做情緒勒索所以我們看到的現在要推動的這一次的採購特別條例裡面框多少錢這裡面其實是賴清德準備在選舉啦 |
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這是一個抗中保台的2.0開始開打清清楚楚那麼我們遺憾的看到我們若干民進黨統領給的信息是錯誤的沈伯陽委員提到了說台美合作拜託我們做一個附帶決議 |
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台美合作在這裡台美合作有不是沒有但是我們這次特定條例鎖定的範圍就在於FMS專門是美國對我們承諾的發價書才有預算沒有發價書就沒有預算謝謝謝謝賴思寶委員的發言接下來我們請范雲委員發言黃建豪委員請準備 |
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我想到今天這個強化國防的條例已經拖延162天了他在程序委員會被封殺超過10次然後我要講的是他不是所謂的軍購逃利他是強化國防的條例為什麼 |
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因為藍白不斷地用話術而且不斷地在告訴我們一些事實上的錯誤我們聽到徐小新說我們先處理對美軍購就好啦剩下的商購委辦以後再說 |
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馬文軍在學生的時候說為什麼不放到年度預算以前的年度預算做的難道都不是國防自主嗎我想請大家看一下國防部的報告裡面都已經告訴你可能排擠原有的國防預算我們以115年度為例軍事投資預算達到1616億 |
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靠出原本就已經簽約的1532億元只剩下84億的空間請問84億的年度預算的空間有辦法強化我們的國防韌性有辦法升級做到不對稱戰力嗎當然沒有辦法我想剛剛很多委員已經講到了你們打的折7800億這個6折削減的不是數字是我們防空攔截的飛彈的數量 |
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是无人机战力的规模讲到无人机国际看好我们的无人载具是非红供应链那你们伤害的是潜在的新护国神山大家可以看一下乌克兰从原本无法生产无人机今年的产出是700万辆而我们在协商的时候你们嫌弃的是为什么国防部要去购买计划20万辆 |
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你们还排除的是军备产能的扩建这是原本就在台湾可以做的碰到炮弹炸药化学防护面具还有夜视镜等为什么要让我们的国军担心我们自己的这些国防设备无法自主那为什么不放在年度预算因为国防部已经看到产线老旧需要全面的翻新跟扩建 |
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最後我要講的是這對中共的一個訊息是什麼戰力整件事持續的工作我們的目的是用戰力每年不斷的堆疊讓敵人想要的目標不斷的延後這個叫做嚇阻 deterrence我們給國際的訊息是什麼當歐洲的國家目標是以GDP5%為目標戰力的時候 |
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為什麼不支持賴總統宣誓在2030年之前我們以北約為例持續增加到5%歷史會記載當台灣最需要強化防衛能力的時候有一批立委站在台灣人民安全的對立面好 謝謝范營委員的發言接下來我們請黃建豪委員發言王定宇委員請準備 |
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大會主席各位委員大家好大家回想一下這個1.25兆這個國防採購的特別條例最快最早最早是什麼時候提出來的是去年11月25號我們中華民國賴清德總統投書華盛頓郵報的時候我們才知道這件事情 |
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一個中華民國的總統要宣布這麼重大的政策他不是向國內同胞來宣布不是向立法院報告是選擇去美國投書報紙然後我們才知道然後我們才開始面對這件事情 |
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大家請問一下中華民國立法院什麼時候收到國防部的報告是今年的1月19號所以有委員說我們延宕100多天但我們想請問一下從11月25號賴清的總統投書到1月19號國防部才把報告送進立法院這幾個月 |
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國防部在忙什麼國防部為什麼不能在11月26號或11月24號就提早或是報告的隔天就把報告送到立法院因為當時那份報告我們根本不知道是什麼內容無法審查無法了解 |
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那到底立法院什麼時候開始開會呢3月11號 國防外交委員會才終於選出這屆的召委才開始進入實質的討論 實質的審查今天是5月8號 中間還有連假所以按照時程來講 沒有人想要拖延 沒有人想要延宕我們都很希望能夠盡快來通過 盡快來支持台灣的國防 |
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那這一次討論到數字的部分我們很明確的國民黨立場很明確的就是把這個條例限縮在政府對政府G2G的部分就是我們要求要有發價書要有對媒採購要有明確的項目這就是我們這一次對於軍事採購團的立場 |
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這個條文也寫得很明確它就是一個採購條例所以對於軍購我們願意支持剛剛有委員提到說我們把無人機砍掉了我們把尾字砍掉了會傷害台灣的國防我想這也是一個錯誤的訊息以我個人為例我在行政院院長咨詢的時候我也跟他說我們支持無人機的發展我們甚至也提到說我們希望無人機能夠在台中發展 |
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但是這筆錢一定要放在特別條例嗎特別條例意思是急迫性但是大家看看這個特別條例寫到什麼時候直接來看民國122年今年是民國114年還有這麼久的時間為什麼我們的無人機要放在這裡我們可以放在年度預算放在其他的特別預算裡面它不一定要包在一起我們擔心的就是你把它全部統包在一起軍購商購委資放在一起 |
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抱歉我們對國防部我們對中華民國的國防部沒有信心啦商購有這麼多的弊案有這麼多奇怪的軍火商穿梭其中所以我們才要把它切割出去所以在這邊拜託全員謝謝黃建豪委員發言接下來我們請王定宇委員發言羅志強委員請準備 |
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24665.59 |
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各位同仁我們都希望在討論國家安全國防預算的時候是沒有黨派之分我在國防委員會我們很多不同黨派的同仁其實我們在討論事情的時候都希望在外交跟國防這一塊我們的利益應該是一樣 |
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所以我今天分享一些我希望待會投票的時候不管哪一個政黨藍綠白不要用黨紀來規範投票讓每個立委展現自己對國家安全的態度讓每一個立委展現自己對選區產業的考量 |
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這次1.25兆八年期的特別預算當中裡面有七大能力不管是疊疊的每一層每一層的防空的台灣之盾包含它的指揮體系的整合遠距精準打擊的彈藥跟能力無人機以及防制無人機的系統台美合作在台灣建立軍工產業 |
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這一些能力都是台灣當前面對威脅迫切需要的無論哪個部分打折扣都會重傷到我們國家的國防準備 |
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這段時間中國沒有停止對台灣的威脅2013年開始中國以每一年7%的成長率他的國防預算來到8兆而面對這個威脅的時候我們看到有一個版本是3800億是原來的三折7800億是原來的六四折而這個折扣下來打折的是我們的國防安全打折的是我們產業發展的機會 |
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防空飛彈系統如果砍掉36%防空網一定會有破口而那個破口會是在你我的鄰居跟家人之上那沒有黨派的差別21萬架的無人機如果縮減台灣沿海嚇阻的能力會被削弱 |
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破口會在你我家附近的海岸線那沒有黨派之分委之的三千億如果排除又因鼓勵國防自主能力的形同歸零這些砍掉的預算都是保護國家安全人民的戰力 |
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無論三千八或七千八都會使國家安全打折扣我最後懇請在野黨的委員我只講一件事情就好我們從 |
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國民黨也執政過對外採購從建案到美方支會美國國會到發架書到簽約我們預算編列是在建案那個時候如果到LOA發架書出來 |
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如果真的要這樣規定它規定在數位公會那一段否則未來我們在對美採購的時候會常常因為多元來不及連簽約都不把那一段我的金額它不管是數位公會的金額公會的金額真正確定的金額是在最好簽約所以拜託你再拿公會那個金額來當作一個審查因為講了很多次了光碎到不行 |
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好 謝謝王定宇委員的發言報言會 容我提醒黨團幹部我們三分鐘之後就即將進行表決有幾位委員還是不在現場麻煩請通知一下接下來最後一位 羅志強委員請發言 |
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10年執政兩茫茫棄守台海民進黨棄守台海兵兇戰危就是民進黨執政10年帶給台灣最大的震驚用賴清德總統的話說就是中共2027年武統台灣國民黨執政的時候國防預算3000億 |
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中共軍機除了一次誤闖從未逾越海峽中線民進黨執政國防預算飆到9500億超過三倍要再編1.25兆的特別軍購結果中共軍機常態性的越過海峽中線 |
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把台海眾生整個放棄這就是民進黨告訴我們的國防成績啊沈伯陽告訴大家扣藍牌要製造國防空窗期你們民進黨執政10年台海是直接放空了只有台海海峽眾生被民進黨放棄嗎不是啊 |
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中共的圍台軍演經常性的舉行國民黨執政的時候從不曾發生請問民進黨越過海峽中線軍機你驅離了嗎民進黨告訴大家中共圍台軍演你反制了嗎中共已經進到我們24海點的臨街區你把他趕出去了嗎中共的軍演劃到我們領海基線你拿出了作為了嗎 |
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為什麼今天民進黨會到這種程度他只在乎軍購的數字軍購數字連結的就是今天綠油有大發財軍火商嘛包括說茶葉商馬桶商沒有軍火時機都可以來做啊 |
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可是對我們國民黨來說軍購的經營軍購的所謂的一個採購我們要的是什麼第一個必須能夠保障國防今天我們做出7800億的國防的軍購的預算的項目第一件事情我們拒絕空白授權 |
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我們必須要落實監督絕不讓民進黨絕不讓民進黨在裡面搞一出綠油油大發財的這樣的一個官商的勾當我們也必須說就像是對美軍購只要是有發價書 |
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在野黨就會同意啊項目就寫上啦所以呢回頭還是一句話我要為民進黨軍購給你超過三倍海峽眾生好謝謝羅志強委員的發言謝謝 |
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國民會我們要開始進行表決現在有台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提第六條再修正動議條文現在有民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決贊成國民黨團台灣民眾黨團再修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告院會我們報告表決結果在場出席委員110位贊成59位反對51位贊成者多數第六條照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過我們現在全案已經經過二讀現在三個黨團分別提議要求繼續進行三讀請問院會有沒有異議沒有異議我們請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計劃採購特別條例第一條為因應敵情威脅及迫切之國防需要建制可保衛而國家安全及強化不對稱戰力之武器及裝備運用從神嚇阻強化防衛任性後持國防實力以提升聯合作戰效能確保國家安全特制定本條例第二條本條例之主管機關為國防部第三條國防部辦理本條例鎖定 |
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軍事採購及相關建構計畫因應政府採購法及其他國防相關法律辦理之必須計畫性質就其防衛目標戰力需求裝備規格取得方式其成規劃財務方案後勤資源回修整合預期效益及風險控管等事項提出詳實規劃其涉及重大政策或整體勝利 |
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站立结构者因分别领据可行性评估整体规划及替代方案之成本效益分析等报告提报行政院核定第四条本条例所称保卫国家安全及强化不对称站立计划采购指主管机关及其所属机关购物部队办理经行政院核定采购第五条锁定项目之装备系统与其相关资源系统装备之获得产制维修工程及训练 |
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第五條本條例鎖定保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計畫採訪制項目如下一M109A7自走炮二海馬斯多廣火箭飛彈系統三反甲型無人機飛彈系統四標槍反甲飛彈五脫色2B反甲飛彈六下列經美國政府於本條例施行後一年內統一授予之軍貿項目一軟硬砂混合反制無人機系統二各型反彈道及防空飛彈三 |
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中低工防工系統是反甲飛彈戰備存量補充案本條例所並列特別預算案應載明採購之裝備系統與其相關資源系統裝備之具體名稱數量預算金額全受其維持成本及預計執行年度 |
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第六條依本條例《辦理保衛國家安全及強化不對參戰力計畫制採購》前條第一項第一款至第五款項目之第一批發價書預算上限為新台幣三千億元前條第一項第六款項目因是取得美國政府正式同意授予後依據第二批發價書核實編列預算案其預算上限為新台幣四千八百億元 |
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預算制編列以特別預算方式編列其預算編制不受預算法第二三條制規定限制非經濟法院同意不得相互留用傾向採掛採一年一期方式編列期滿後續預算及期成經濟法院同意後分期辦理預算籌編及審議 |
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行政院因本條例通過後一個月內就第一批發價數預算案向立法院提出下列專案報告並被質詢經立法院同意後使得籌編預算案第二批發價數預算案一統一本條例施行前我國過去五年軍事採購這項目金額效益與到貨情形二本條例採購項目與前 |
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以前款采购之关系筹获建军后如何有效提升联合作坏效能三第五条采购项目之筹划期程预期交货时间与全售期维持成本是应应本条例之采购后国军人员维持后勤补 |
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补给资源资讯通讯系统维护之策进作为立法院同意前项购款专案报告后行政院应于二个月内将第一批发价数预算案送立法院审议第二批发价数预算案议同行政院应于立法院审议前条第一项第六款之项目时并同提出采购进度付款情形装备到货及验收状况次期特别预算案筹编 |
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及資用規劃之中央報告第一項所需經費來源得以營用以前年度稅計剩餘或舉借債務方式辦理其以特別預算方式編列至每年度舉借債務額度不受公共債務法第五條第七項規定之限制中央政府總預算及特別預算於本條例施行期間之舉債額度和基數 |
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不得超过该期间总预算及特别预算税出总额合计数至15%本条例施行期间中央政府举借至一年以上公共债务未偿余预算数应依公共债务法第五条第一项规定办理 |
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本條例施行期間各年度中央政府總預算案所編列之社會福利支出得得少於一百十五年度中央政府總預算案所編列之社會福利支出第七條本條例所列預算之執行因應下列的規定辦理一審計機關因應法辦理審計二主管機關因應預算法第六三條辦理流用前 |
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非经立法院同意不得留用主管机关应专案列管及考核本条例所列计划之执行并将执行进度及绩效每会期向立法院提出专案报告主管机关及其上级机关应依法执行并落实监督机制确保国防预算确实投入战略建构本条例施行建满之日次年五月底前主管机关应就其实施成效做成总结报告并送立法院第八条本条例及其 |
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特別預算施行期間自公佈日施行至中華民國122年12月31日止本條例及其特別預算施行期滿位及執行部分必要使得經立法院同意延長之宣斷地 |
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報院會向各黨團幹部再報告一下麻煩我們即將進行表決麻煩通知現在不在場的委員迅速返回議場我們現在三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正 |
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好 没有文字修正 抱怨会现在台湾民众党团EGD法院职权刑事法第11条规定提请将全案复表决我们现在进行全案表决赞成全案通过者请按赞成反对者请按反对弃权者请按弃权 |
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民進黨團 台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們進行記名表決 時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果抱怨會報告表決結果麻煩請保持安靜出席107位委員贊成59位委員 |
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反對0位委員棄權48位委員贊成者多數全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例制定通過抱怨會 |
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本條例條例及條文中的條次我們授權議事人員進行調整報告院會本院陳青龍委員針對本案三讀之決議提出附議我們請院會隨即表決處理我們報告院會我們現在進行本件的附議案現在進行表決針對陳青龍委員等所提附議案現在民進黨團要求記名表決 |
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記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果出席110位贊成0位反對59位棄權51位贊成者少數非議案不通過我們繼續處理審查會通過及黨團協商通過復建之二復台決議請議事人員一併宣讀復台決議之內容 |
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審查會通過附帶決議一項為確保對美軍國交貨時程能符合我國建軍戰備計畫需要避免軍購延宕影響國家整體防衛量能或因延遲交付導致武器裝備過時不符需求依本條例之採購政府應與美方討論個案執行狀況並向立法院報告協商通過附帶決議一項 |
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25856.488 |
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行政部門於規劃相關預算時依同步提出具體可行且納入滾動檢討機制之中長程財務計畫透過制度化資財政規劃工具持續檢視政策支出效益與財務可承擔性強化預算決策之可預測性與透明度政府應將人口老化因素對國家資源分配所產生之長期排擠效應與財政衝擊確實納入前端風險評估以落實財政永續與跨世代之公平正義宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
25858.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
25872.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
歡迎會依照協商結論我們均照案通過我們現在審查會保留之附帶決議一項依照協商結論不再予以處理繼續處理院會新收附帶決議共四項請議事人員宣讀第一項附帶決議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
25873.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
25891.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
台灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團共同所提附帶決議要求國防部依防未來凡涉及重大軍事投資建案特別預算軍購案或一定金額以上之對外軍事採購案件應於軍購要加數提出前後或中大軍事投資項目正式啟動階段及主動向立法院說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
25892.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
25912.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
二 國防部應於三個月內研議建立中大軍事投資國會溝通機制明定中大軍購案件於LOR、LOA等各階段之國會資訊揭露溝通及報告程序並送立法院外交及國防委員會備查宣讀完畢官員會依照協商結論召喚通過請議事們宣讀第二項附帶決議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
25913.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
25914.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
請問議員會有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
25938.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
25952.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
有意要進行表決針對本項附台決議民進黨團要求進行表決而且記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成 按贊成反對 按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
26026.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
26038.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
報應會報告表決結果出席109位委員贊成58位委員反對51位委員贊成者多數本項附帶決議照案通過請議事人員宣讀第三項附帶決議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
26039.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
26068.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
台灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團共同所提附帶決議國防不予規劃軍事駐地戰備設施及相關軍事部署時應避免臨近人口稠密區或其他民用設施並參酌國際武裝衝突法有關區分軍事目標與非軍事目標志願者以降低平民遭受武裝衝突附帶損害之風險並於一年內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告宣讀完畢報言會依照協商結論我們照案通過請議事委員宣讀第四項附帶決議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
26070.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
26089.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
三黨團共同所提附帶決議保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計劃採購特別條例第六條所稱發價書除第五條第一項第一款至第五款項目為第一批竣購案外第二批發價書所列竣購項目陸續取得發價書後均視為第二批竣購宣讀完畢報案院會議照協商結論我們照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
26096.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
26110.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
邦委會討論事項已經全部處理完畢依照黨團共識我們今天會議進行到此為止5月12號星期二上午9點繼續開會進行教育及文化組織諮詢現在休息 |