| IVOD_ID |
17420 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17420 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-07T08:33:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-07T17:25:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:51:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373d6c7ff8226c1adb82e9b2fc60fbbff22392d343e5acb26ceb3565aae4b42b169a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部及所屬單位預算案。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款文化部主管部分預算案。
四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。
五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管文化發展基金附屬單位預算案。
六、審查115年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心、文化內容策進院、國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案請於6月10日中午12時前提出】
七、審查：
(一)委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「文化資產保存法第四條、第九十八條及第一百十二條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員劉建國等16人擬具「文化資產保存法第四條、第九十八條及第一百十二條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「文化資產保存法第四條、第九十八條及第一百十二條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員郭昱晴等18人擬具「文化資產保存法第四條、第九十八條及第一百十二條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員葉元之等21人擬具「文化資產保存法第四條、第九十八條及第一百十二條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員萬美玲等17人擬具「文化資產保存法第四條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員萬美玲等17人擬具「文化資產保存法第九十八條及第一百十二條條文修正草案」案。
【進行詢答及逐條審查】【5月6日及7日二天一次會】） |
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報告委員會現在開會本日會議議程式邀請文化部部長李遠列席業務報告並備質詢 |
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審查115年度中央政府總預算有關文化部及所屬單位預算案之下是即縣市政府一般性補助款文化部主管部分預算案國立文化機構作業基金及文化發展基金附屬單位預算案審查115年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心文化內容測經院 |
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以及國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案預算請進行詢答相關預算案請於6月10日中午12時提出預時不予受理審查吳佩義等18人擬據文化資產保存法第4條第98條第112條條文修正草案等7案法案詢答完畢後即進行逐條審查 |
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首先先介紹在場的委員我們羅志祥委員有請羅志祥委員發言 謝謝 |
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這個主席還有我們各位列席的文化部的官員在這邊我可能要先提出一個程序問題我們可能要請我們的公視的前董事長胡元輝可能要麻煩您先離開我們的立法院的議事堂 |
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那原因很簡單不是因為對著胡前董事長一個人那是因為我們在公示法的第16條已經立法院通過修正移除了延任條款 |
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他在115年2月4號也經過總統公佈那你的任期在114年5月19號其實就屆滿在沒有嚴任條款的情況之下依照立法院通過的法律你就已經不是董事長了你是前董事長總統也公佈了這個法律所以你現在身份是前董事長所以這是立法院的原則問題 |
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這也是立法院的尊嚴問題這也是總統公布法律的尊嚴問題所以在這邊我覺得這個程序的尊重尊嚴立法院法律的尊嚴必須被放在優先的順位所以可能要麻煩我們的主席進行程序的處理那可能麻煩我們的胡前董事長可能要請你先離席 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們羅志強委員的程序發言那我想現場我也要做一個宣告那也要跟我們的這個胡元輝我們前董事長特別做一個宣告聲明那我想今天有鑒於我們立法院三讀的法令那也總統宣告也相對應的已經開始在執行了 |
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那我希望說這個前董事長能夠體諒我們依法進行 依法處理那接下來我要介紹著我們與會的官員我們請我們的與會官員逐一介紹文化部部長黎遠部長常務次長徐怡金 |
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文化資產局局長陳季明影視及流行音樂產業局局長王淑芬國立傳統藝術中心主任陳月怡國立國父紀念館館長王蘭生 |
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中正紀念堂管理處處長張惠君歷史博物館洪世祐館長台灣美術館陳礦儀館長台灣工藝研究發展中心陳電理主任台灣博物館陳登欽館長 |
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史前文化博物館 蔡振良館長台灣交響樂團 歐陽惠剛團長台灣歷史博物館 張榮志館長台灣文學館 陳盈芳館長人權博物館 洪世芳館長 |
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新竹生活美學館葉愚正館長彰化生活美學館以慧武館長台南生活美學館黃瓊瑩館長台東生活美學館徐旭國館長 |
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國家鐵道博物館籌備處主任鄭明璋兒童未來館籌備處曾聰邦主任國家漫畫博物館籌備處代理主任蔡英明台南國家美術館籌備處莊佩樺主任 |
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行政法人國家表演藝術中心楊祺文董事長行政法人文化內容測鏡院王敏慧院長電影集視聽文化中心楚明仁董事長財政法人中央廣播電台主任秘書陳景榮 |
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財政法人中央通訊社胡婉玲社長行政院足跡總署公務預算處專門委員王千凱農業部林業及自然保育署陳志迎科長海洋委員會海洋保育署蘇洪聖專門委員 |
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其餘列席的機關代表 警察院名單不再足以介紹並列入公報記錄現在進行提案說明請問是否有委員要提案說明好 沒有 |
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本日會議採一併報告綜合詢答現在進行報告請文化部李遠部長報告報告時間六分鐘有請朱行一各位委員各位先進大家好 |
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今天很榮幸應大院教育及文化委員會的邀請提出文化部業務報告並且備詢 |
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在此代表文化部就各項業務進行重點報告敬請各位委員指教今年文化幣政策向下延伸從13歲到22歲每人都可以領1200點我們不只開發了很多文化幣適用的文化內容也融入了角色IP來代言文化幣讓年輕人使用起來更有趣味文化幣為文化產業帶來許多能量 |
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從去年到今年有很多國片都破億在國際獎項也得到亮眼的成績我們乘勝追擊在去年推出大航海計畫希望拓展台灣電影的市場競爭力和全球影響力不只電影台灣的文學正在被世界看見我們不斷鼓勵創作者 |
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盡量能夠在無後顧之憂的創作並且翻譯作品跟國際交流在此我也邀請各位委員一起來為楊雙子跟金鈴集氣希望他們今年5月19號能夠奪下布克獎 |
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為了讓創作者受到更多的重視有更好的創作環境我3年以後陸續推動經會獎、清漫獎繪本學校、劇本學校、作家節等等我也增加了台灣品牌團隊像是波拉瑞揚舞團以及今年新加入的台北木偶劇團讓整體藝文生態更具有動能在文化外交方面 |
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我去年到歐洲拜訪了許多文化單位今年就開始具體合作落實歐洲台灣文化年這個概念像是和全球最具規模的One World人權影展合作也將帶著台灣的藝文團隊到歐洲各國展演 |
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值得一提的是今年是駐紐約辦事處台北文化中心成立35週年也是美國建國250週年紐約也正迎來國際主總世界盃決賽我們不會缺席這場盛會我們將推出曼哈頓台灣文化黑曹計畫利用這個絕妙的歷史性舞台讓全世界看見台灣 |
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回到國內下半年我們依舊馬不停蹄將召開每四年一次的全國文化會議第三屆全國語言發展會議希望把文化推動到更多的領域 |
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我們內閣團隊相互合作推動文化觀光文創產業像是我們和運動部推動的雙百萬運動漫畫徵選以及昨天在台灣歷史博物館剛開幕的亞運特展另外也和交通部合作文化觀光把我們的百大文化基地轉成有特色的旅遊產品 |
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有關115年度預算編列的情況文化部主管115年度稅務預算3.3億稅數預算296.4億國立文化機構作業基金部分總收入編列10.7億總支出編列13.3億收支向底後短處2.6億主要是在公共建設計畫依照計畫期程編列相關的費用 |
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行政法輪部分 國家表演藝術中心總收入編32.3億 總支出編34.5億 收支相抵後短處2.2億文化內容設計院總收入編列9.3億 總支出編列9.3億 收支平衡 |
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國家電影及視聽文化中心總收入編列3.6億總支出編列4.1億收支相抵後短數0.5億今天貴委員會也安排了審查文化資產保存法第4條第98條及第112條的條文草案修正 |
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在此非常感謝委員對於文化資產保存的關心與支持文化部持續收集各界意見召開專家學者會議由下而上凝聚社會各界的共識始終秉持四大原則目標 |
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明確苛責增加又應建立修復專業和強化保存措施來擬定文化資產保存法的修法另外有關委員鑑於農業部已經成立提案相關條文修正文化部競表支持其中我們同步把陸域和海域的權責劃分一併考慮進修正草案 |
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增列海洋委員會的全責以上文化部的業務預算和文字法的報告懇請各位委員支持謝謝大家好謝謝李部長的報告機關代表報告完畢相關書面資料請各位參閱並列入公報記錄 |
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現在進行詢答,每位書局委員諮詢的時間是10分鐘,必要時延長2分鐘,列席的委員諮詢時間為5分鐘,那發言登記的時間截止為上午10點半。 |
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委員如果有臨時提案請於10點半前提出並於本會委員吳佩奕質詢結束以後來進行處理處理提案時若提案委員及連署委員均不在場照有案例是不予處理那首先請登記第一位羅志強委員發言有請文化部長有請部長 |
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二爺你好部長好 手好點了沒有好多了 謝謝你關心就多保重 先把手上也要養好好 謝謝 |
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部長 上次總質詢的時候我拿了一篇歌詞上面寫的是2019年前文化部長鄭義軍任內補助70萬元的一首歌歌詞給您跟院長 你還記得吧 記得這首歌的歌詞的大意 因為我實在是沒辦法把它的字寫上去我真的是做不到 |
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但大意是這個歌手看到了一隻毛小孩向他走過來他忍不住想要性侵犯毛小孩最後我哥就要講這件事情我想要請你們來唸然後院長說他唸不出來院長雖然有羞恥心,他唸不出來部長你記得你怎麼回答的嗎?你說我上次怎麼回答? |
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我忘了你抱怨說這件事一直被大家拿出來吵我跟部長說這是非常嚴肅的問題沒有誰吵不吵的問題今天它涉及國家預算的使用也涉及文化部到底想要支持鼓勵什麼樣的創作 |
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這非常嚴肅的公共政策命題 跟吵不吵是沒有關係的我想請問 鄭麗君前部長 現在的副院長補助這一首連卓院長都不敢唸出歌詞的歌 七十萬元 |
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請問部長他到底想鼓勵什麼是支持什麼嗎好 謝謝你給我一點時間我來稍微把這件事情澄清第一這個70萬元是補助16首歌的一張專輯這70萬元也補助了所有製作專輯有這首歌在內吧對謝謝那我想請問部長但是那個70萬也包括製作我直接問你一個問題你回答我就好是要鼓勵隨機侵犯毛小孩嗎 |
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部長告訴我嘛我回答委員這個跟他的歌裡面的意義是兩回事因為當時我們補助的是非常多的團體你剛剛已經告訴大家這首歌就是有領導補助 |
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不是嗎?你跟我講說不是不是什麼?不是,我說不是是你不能單獨看這首歌謝謝你啊你文化不做事就這麼敷衍嗎?不能單獨看這首歌,這首歌最紅啊這首歌有沒有最紅?來,我再告訴你我把播放這首歌消去章字再給你聽一遍讓社會大眾來公判 |
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謝謝部長我再補充你一個訊息這個樂團領到補助很開心他說這首歌他樂團成員說這首歌是將美國樂團Blink-182的歌詞音翻中他還強調 |
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我們就是剽竊別人的作品,因番中而異我第一個要說的是什麼部長我上次已經跟你講過了我沒有怪你嘛那不是你任內補助的嘛怪你也沒道理嘛可是當你說這件事不要一直拿出來吵我就覺得你講這句話我沒辦法認同啊什麼叫一直拿出來吵,你還覺得我是拿出來吵這件事嗎是嗎?是這個意思嗎? |
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因為他不是一個單獨的事件他是一個那一年補助了七八十個團體七八十個團體哪一個團體向他鼓勵大家性侵犯毛小孩他的歌詞剛才講抄襲其實我們後來有針對這個又重新找到當時的評審委員他們認為是通常音樂的抄襲是編曲旋律有抄襲部長我直接問你一件事情我就問你一件事情對好70萬是小數字嗎 |
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七十萬不小因為它涉及到有多少嗷嗷待哺希望今天文化部來補助創作的團體你補助的是這一首鼓勵大家隨機侵犯毛小孩的歌你現在跟我講說沒有啦16首歌其中的一首而已沒什麼了不起啦我們補助七十萬不是鼓勵大家講毛小孩怎樣怎樣你補助你審查不嚴裡面就有這首歌 |
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當時的審查有沒有這首歌我不知道以前的都講有 現在講你也不知道有沒有你不知道有沒有你就不要在這邊回答他們審查是用專輯然後製作 創作我下一個結論好不好所以部長你非常認同鄭玉君部長任內的這個做法我認同整個補助制度但是這首歌本身我真的不想下一個很簡單的結論 |
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我們部長剛剛跟我講他非常認同鄭義軍任內補助的一個樂團有16首歌裡面有一首歌是鼓勵大家性侵犯毛小孩這個有點這個意思嗎我絕對不是我非常認同那個年代要鼓勵非常多地下樂團地下樂團非常多不是每個地下樂團都創作鼓勵大家性侵犯毛小孩啦 |
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我們沒有要鼓勵性侵犯你的歌裡面就有沒關係啦 部長我這認為他不應該單獨來討論啦我佩服你啦你佩服我我佩服你啦是對你為了要護航鄭玉京前部長你也很辛苦我沒有要護航沒關係 到這裡你的態度很清楚了就讓社會大眾公判嘛好但是我這邊還是要嚴正的講一件事情 |
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我要說今天浪費人民70萬元去鼓勵樂團寫歌宣傳侵犯毛小孩鄭麗君前部長你欠人民三聲道歉第一個請你跟納稅人道歉把關監督不嚴浪費民脂民膏 |
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第二個 請你向其他有熱情在創造我們音樂歌曲的樂團們道歉因為你排擠了其他的樂團 拿不到這70萬的補助第三個 請鄭前部長跟毛小孩的爸媽道歉 |
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文化部 當時的文化部連保護動物 尊重毛小孩的意思都沒有還可以辯解說那不過是16首歌當中的其中一首歌我沒辦法接受 讓社會大眾公判我也拜託記者朋友 媒體朋友幫一個忙啊去問問我們的政前部長啊 |
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要不要說三聲道歉啊還是政協部長跟我們我們這個李部長一樣覺得這裡沒什麼了不起啊我很光榮啊我補助的叫做地下樂團不過16首歌裡面有一首鼓勵大家性侵犯毛小孩耶這有什麼了不起需要一直吵嗎讓我講一句好不好其實我捍衛台灣的創作自由這首歌我跟你講創作自由創作自由我跟你講創作自由今天他沒有領政府補助 |
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只要沒有違反法律他的創作自由隨便他我通通尊重今天領的是納稅人的錢不是你今天文化部的錢不是鄭玉京的錢不是李遠部長的錢是納稅人的錢你納稅人的錢你就要好好把關你們的歌曲那你不要來領補助嘛你補助要自由創作自己去創作嘛結果你補助一首歌到現在文化部我看起來我很遺憾啊抱歉啊 |
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部長你仍然認為沒什麼了不起啊你覺得仍然是符合你們補助的精神啊我沒有說要符合補助精神但是我尊重所有創作者在某個情況下我還是回到一句話創作自由不是拿來浪費民脂民膏的藉口你創作自由你盡量創作沒有人攔阻你只要沒違反法律沒有人攔阻你可是今天你拿的是文化不補助欸 |
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你不要跟我講文化補助叫創作自由有些人的線有些事的線是清清楚楚明明白白的請問部長你會鼓勵大家去性侵犯毛小孩而且隨機性侵犯毛小孩嗎你會鼓勵嗎 |
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我當然不會鼓勵 謝謝嘛可是他跟這首歌 你不會鼓勵他跟歌是沒有關係的歌沒有關係 對因為我們要 副長我們要探討一個創作剛剛已經播給你看 歌沒關係連歌詞你都不敢念要不然我把歌詞還給你看我沒有必要念但是你要知道每個創作當下創作者的心情跟社會狀態他的憤怒我告訴你 他跟我們站不上人有很多今天地下樂團 樂團的創作者 |
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他不必靠鼓勵大家性侵犯毛小孩來發出他的憤怒來發出對時局的看法這些月牌你有補助嗎?你都補助了嗎?我問你第二題問你第二題部長今天是業務報告跟預算審查的尋答我請教部長 |
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如果國家的公帑齁有一筆1.5億以上的花費是不是很大的花費?很多非常多齁那無論政府跟立委都要嚴格把關嘛對不對?是沒問題好那也要檢視今天這個錢花出去的效益嘛對不對?要檢視它的效益吧花了1.5億總要檢視一下效益嘛對不對?1.5億絕對是巨款前面的70萬 |
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已經讓我覺得很誇張了來,1.51我要問一個問題這1.51就是文化部對電影功夫的投資加補助不純粹是文化部啦 |
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他獲得文化部第一個是114年度第二批次國產電影片國內行銷補助300萬113年度第一次國產電影長片輔導金3500萬113年度補助入圍或獲國內外重要影展獎項電影片影視事業補助金1500萬 |
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這五千三百萬再加上國發基金加強投資文化創意產業實施方案一億零七十萬加起來這部九把刀的功夫就已經超過1.5億 |
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其中加強投資文化創意產業實施方案是國發基金匡列100億由文化部也就是後來的文策院來執行所以還是跟文化部有關決定要投資誰在國發會的報告裡面專門投資電影的文創專案項目拿到的最高就是1.5億 |
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第二高的獲得投資金額也就四千多萬連第一的一半都不到真的想不注意也難啊同樣在國產電影長片輔導金名單裡面三千五百萬也是最高的比第二名多出一千萬我只能說功夫很好啊很能拿拿很多啊但是呢其他電影公司連這他車尾燈都看不到啊 |
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國家公帑 你要花沒關係啊你排解別人的補助空間沒有關係啊你知道公布票房是多少嗎我記得是四千多萬連1.5億的三分之一都不到 |
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國發會在113年的季報 接入公富的實收資本額2.65億投資1億70萬 換算比例是38%如果把剛剛前面補助金加進去 國家出資高達58%啊就國家幫你補助拍電影嘛 慘虧別人有怕啊後來季報文化部還要求說不用接入資本額了 |
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我要回頭說啊有人說叫投資不是直接給錢就算是這樣子我要跟你講請問公夫回饋給國發基金多少錢若是投資嘛總有回報嘛4693萬的票房收入國發基金拿回了多少 |
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拿回來多少嘛因為他的整個收入不是只有台灣市場包括全球市場沒關係嘛 我就問你拿了多少回來啦越多越好 最好300億你告訴我國發經營大賺那這邊我給你鼓鼓掌啦報告委員 這依照這個投資投資的協議是先回本那對 先回本那依照票房跟其他相關的所有收入依照規範現在因為還沒有結算還沒有結算 對 |
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多久還沒結算?什麼時候可以結算出來?依照電影的循環他除了票房票房以外他還有海外的授權請問您是?我是文策院院長你也不要大家搞不清楚 |
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就以現在你們掌握的票房,你告訴我今天他要回饋給國發基金多少你跟我講國外也多少,加起來多少依照規定是現在的所有收入依照投資比例先還本投資比例還本,還多少嘛,如果是以4600萬還多少 |
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4600萬是收入 如果以這個收入還多少 你算給我聽嘛收入他大概票房再退回來其實他不會有這麼高然後再依照我們的投資比例你給我一個親我概估好不好因為你沒有結算我就跟你講 我看到4600萬其他你說沒結算 我沒讓你算 我就算這4600萬啊多少要回撥回來 多少 |
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大概會有一千萬 回本投報率真好 丟一億五千萬 拿回一千萬當然啦 後面可能還有啦 可能啦目前為止 一億四千萬我就看到不見了回頭還是講一個重點我要說什麼 這件事情我要凸顯的是什麼 |
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今天文化部你最起碼要做一件事情你要做績效管理不是嗎你今天補助預算很多項目我剛剛前面也是一個例子啊屢屢被質疑事後平和也看不到很公開的做法指標不明確也沒看到你在認真列管啊那變得金額更大更不透明你至少把透明化機制做出來給我看 |
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你到現在為止你也還是跟我說不出到底實際上是多少沒關係啊等他最後實際回撥給國發基金的時候給我一個資料好不好好 好的最後我還是一樣跟部長報告一下說一下今天我點這個問題我只是讓所有其他的我們講製作電影的辛苦的朋友們去看看政府怎麼讀後功夫這部電影 |
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到現在為止是怎麼去回本的如果是今天這種補助標準真的是對得起其他你也承認一億五千萬不是小數字啊那其他的電影團體製作電影團體也不辛苦這些人對他們情何以堪所以拜託部長 |
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這件事情你起碼把你們的績效平衡標準做出來給大家看以上 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝我們羅志祥委員的發言我們下一位委員柯之恩委員謝謝莊委 我們是不是請部長有請部長 |
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柯委員你好部長好我想這個羅委員剛剛你們有點太多的火花我想他我真的還是必須強調我也相信你絕對尊重創作自由我也相信你會願意給很多不管是獨立樂團、地下樂團更多的一個機會但是今天以剛剛他所舉的那個例子來說如果是一個商業它能夠有廣大的市場大家願意買單沒有任何的問題但是今天我們也受到非常多的懲請 |
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那就是因為有非常多人聽到了這樣的一個歌詞然後呢它即使是十六分之一但是因為牽涉到國家的補助大家會認為是不是國家也助長裡面歌詞裡面所涵蓋的一個意涵最重要的是我們有那麼多優秀的創作者 |
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他們在對於這個預算被排擠之外他們其實有非常多非常多的想法我覺得這才是部長你在堅守所謂創作自由的這一塊當中在用國家的經費下去之後應該在對這件事情上面應該更審慎的來對待沒有人去否定創作自由這件事情 |
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因為國家的錢這就必須要注意所以提到這樣的一個部分裡面接下來我要問一下有關於再造歷史現場的這個計畫我想這個計畫可以說是涵蓋非常的大那你看你這個目前來說好我們往下來看 |
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在造历史计划目前来说我们已经核定了115到119有76.93亿这个可以说非常的重视的我们有关于历史场景的再现但是这是审计部所提出来不是我提出来是审计部所提出来的你这个部分里面这么大的一个伟大的计划当中你的计划的审查不够严谨而且你并没有找到所谓的专业辅导外部的专家的参与而且很重要的 |
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修復之後營運效果不佳那這是審計部的一個想法那審計部這個部分裡面其實他就是要求這個文化部未來再提出這個計畫的時候你應該建立一個一致化的標準而且不管在監督考核還有修復完畢之後的營運應該讓這個歷史文化再現價值那部長 |
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就是因为省级部有这样的一个想法因为他们都认为说文化只是撒钱但是补助没有标准而且不督导也不考核那文资局若是这种态度的话你觉得这有办法让我们给这么多钱当中可以让我们这个历史的场域再现文化的价值吗部长 |
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工廠還是非常複雜的目前為止有五個地方還沒有營運還有八個沒有結案你先聽我把這個問題講完像因為我們高雄就有一個很大的特殊性我想部長你也應該知道因為我們擁有全國最完整的軍種 |
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这个这个眷村包括陆海空都有还有非常多的大的工业的遗址那获得的这个补助也是居全台第三这很好但是你要知道我们土地面积非常的大你然后呢也修复的部分真的不到20%而且80%的建物在等待修复的时间万一一个台风万一一个火灾哎这全部就会没有所以说呢 |
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而且我们这里面当中我也参观了几个像我们的建成计划还有我们的钢山这个计划那这个部分来说因为维护成本非常的高所以说呢有些时候你的预算的补助跟我们修复的速度完全不成比例啊所以我真的是要求你们在这个给予预算分配上面事情要做就把它做好有些轻重缓急的部分是不是可以给我们一个更严格的一个审核的标准 |
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做好獎勵做好補助你這樣才有辦法讓你當初的一個目標可以好好來做一個執行嘛是不是呢部長這個我們還是要替我們這些來說話而且呢我可以等一下給部長還有文資局來好好的說一下而且在這個部分裡面呢我們 |
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还用以住代户的这样一个政策我们真的是解决了非常多眷村没有人住的这个部分我们把政府在好好的把你的这个所谓历史的部分把它翻修然后我们住进去的也好好希望能够把它更发扬光大但是你知道吗以高雄黄浦眷村来说的话砸了好几百万来做修缮但是中央补助只要一停止我们的公务设施就没有了 |
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馬上就甲草叢生了所以我還是要強調文資法第99條你應該要訂立更完整的一個獎勵跟補助的一個辦法鼓勵民間共同來把這個文化資產把它保存而且你看現在高雄進駐者都是帶政府來出錢來修繕的但是文化部的補助都是競爭型的而且還不保證常駐 |
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很多人要進去之前他怕到時候突然沒有錢了然後呢很多時候狀況之下面你也沒有辦法符合你這個獎勵機制你這樣讓這些怎麼有辦法讓他的經費能夠穩住呢我們局長或是部長來說一下吧我要給你這麼多錢你總要告訴我一個未來你要怎麼做特別是審計部有提出你們這些的一些的問題存在啊其實我們花了很長時間在這個文字法上修法就是您剛才講的都對包括我們的經費 |
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一方面有說我們編太多可是一方面這邊其實都不夠我是不行我自己去還有一個就是說你包括你看我剛剛說的很多清爽就抱怨啊要開咖啡廳或工作室就你的消防法規那個百貨公司還要跟他比照一下然後呢 |
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你修善可是你的二十六条就明明说你可以有一些行政豁免权你可以这样所以文化部有没有办法去来帮我们制定一个否这一些的部分的你们真正的一个消防法规的这个部分否则大家都是完全被卡住了这个的确是一个问题我请文字局局长很快的时间好不好我还有公事跟华事的问题要问 |
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好 柯委員剛才提到的審計部所提到的一些我們可能要改進的缺失我們在再章2.0都持續的在改進所以我們在審預算說我必須要看到而且我希望能夠你們制定文資建築消防配套的指引你如果沒有做這樣子的部分的話我告訴你很多人根本就裹足不前根本不敢進駐他們是進來翻修完之後要好好的跟大家一起跟古蹟共存就反而一被這些法規卡住了給你們這麼多錢到最後沒有辦法這不是在我們審預算說我們就要好好來問一下你們該怎麼做嗎 |
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没错吧好不好这个部分我们在审议上做我也好好来看好了部长又回到你这个部分里面你们业务报告的53页没有一个字提到公事跟华事我想这个公事董事改选已经这个难缠很久了而且八位委员都集体辞职但是部长我觉得你上次的回应真的有点太强硬了你认为真心换绝情你认为这个僵局打破的责任要在谁身上毕竟这是一个存在的事实啊 |
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好 這個題目我覺得蠻值得討論就是說我首先非常歎異那個歎異胡董被趕出去因為他目前還是公司的董事長因為按照財管法人法在新的董事還沒有成立你先回答我八位理事那個部分是我們的程序問題已經繼承事實你先回答我八位審查委員集體辭職OK 這個創下我們公共 |
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這個公共電視到現在最大的一個案例這個八位審查委員辭職本身行政院已經發函給立法院請他再派八個那這個八個委員要辭職其實他的理由其實是非常牽強 |
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他要我政黨協商我一直在強調公視法理沒有政黨協商這八位就是當初派來的公正人士我也跟他們報告過其實在李永德前部長的時候這件事情也發生過但是不管是柯總召或是國民黨總召大家都希望能夠把公視的董事能夠盡快完成 |
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所以说从这个评审委员开始大家在人选的层面当中其实就有做过一些政党协商的方法在送进我们这个不动信贷审查它可以节省很多不必要你这样的措辞你完全是忽略了这位八位这个审查委员的良心上面的部分你们这种对撞的方法更不要说之前 |
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别人的部长都有办法做到即使在难产最后但还是完全把它产生这是一个协商跟沟通所以部长你也曾经非常熟悉这样的一个业务你也知道协商的一个重要性并不是没有办法解决你用这种言语这样的一个对撞你还是没有办法无解于今天目前所处的一个状况 |
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人家是集體不同黨派的都集體的辭職表示他們對這裡面那個制度有絕對問題這絕對不是透過星光董事的這樣一個漂亮的名單可以來解決的所以我才說別的部長也曾經發過這樣的狀況人家都解決了為什麼在李遠部長的時候不好所以我真的是覺得李遠真的不要離道理太遠可以嗎我還是堅持公共電視 |
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不能夠政黨協商 這是我的堅持就是你的堅持又倒成這樣的部件而且你的部分裡面反而讓大家委託他而且你又把他說就回到戒嚴時代你上一手這樣進行我反而覺得你這樣的做法更獨斷我就曾經講過嘛在過去第九屆的時候柯建民總召就跟國民黨總召大家在這個過程當中就曾經一連串的這樣的協商部分讓我們董事也就是這樣順利產生啊可是他有個前提是 |
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快要一千天了那件事情我大概知道他的協商是因為那你等他破一千天的歷史嗎我沒有我沒有要破一千天部長彼此之間在溝通的部分裡面大家各自有不同的想法你剛剛說什麼政黨協商政黨協商本來就是看你有什麼樣的方法來看待政黨協商這四個字嘛你怎麼樣協商有很多的方法協商有很多的內涵你要把它框上說什麼政黨進來你這樣子一個非常的堅決的這部分你完全沒讓這事情有任何 |
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我認為只要開了政黨協商例子以後人家是透過協商才順利組成公式的董事會好不好那就根本不要審查委員啊什麼叫不要審查委員 部長我是說你們在每次的定義上面是有所不同我只能告訴你我堅持的部分裡面你這樣的部分完全無助於公式董事會的成立我們就來解決問題我們應該修法直接派人兩黨協商完 |
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直接派人就產生沒有是這樣沒有人說要切上碗就直接派人沒有他們只是建議在這個過程當中可不可以有一個更和緩的方法你硬要把它硬是二分法我覺得這個通訪無數於事情的解決你硬要把它二分法我問題非常多我們可能在預算的時候可以因為我們謝謝趙柏今天給我們比較多時間我還是要問一下因為你過去在做一個華視的部分來說我還是要強調你知道華視最近來說的話可能 |
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現金流吃緊發不出薪水這樣的事情嗎這我要請華詩 |
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報告一下那個部長你過去也當過華視的總經理過去也非常的有個子現在華視很多事情你都不知道不管經營決策在整個收視率的層面當中還有華視目前來說他真的有一個排不到還有我還要特別提到上次有關公安的問題你說你不清楚華視的公安問題你現在該清楚了我更要提出來你們內湖公視西棟裡面客家電台還發生過火災這一點事情部長你有了解嗎 |
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也有了解吗而且华氏的这个层面因为时间的关系 |
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华视目前来说的现金流已经出现了一个缺口而且呢很多时候连薪水都没有发出来这个已经开始已经要短期的融资了而且是否他们整个的过程当中所有的总经理换了这么多大家对于节目该怎么样把它做好该怎么样能好好的能够让华视的节目能够再重振雄风好像都没有办法找到一个点反而是让大家所讨论都是在于华视的资产该怎么样的活化这是历届总经理该做的事情吗 |
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你應該看到這樣的狀況當過華視的總經理你應該非常有感吧 部長所以這個部分你該怎麼解決如果連薪水都發不出來你該怎麼樣來處理這樣的一個狀況華視過去是曾經在三台過程當中你們現在提出了這麼多的一個策略沒有辦法解決華視現在虧損的問題反而還有更多的問題存在身為過去華視總經理的部長你難道沒有比別人更有多的一個感覺嗎還有包括台灣plus目前我們希望說台灣plus |
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我們那時候已經提出了質詢而且呢第一季的約買現在因為預算還沒有通過所以你們現在也還沒有到位上次呢你們我質詢的時候說台灣plus規劃搬遷到華市的租賃跟租案但是目前應該沒有辦法啟動但是我聽說台灣plus私下進行也希望能夠用六二折的方法強租華市所以預計在華市九到十一樓大興土木有沒有這件事 |
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這三個問題都牽涉到他們本身的經營我們本身文化部會 |
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我不會直接去干預他們的所有經營您剛才講那幾個問題他們都會跟我們報備但是我不會伸手去那個所以你不會伸手進去然後你就放任他們這樣繼續那我們先看看這個新屬的問題怎麼解決這是一個員工的權益啊公安也是員工的身家的安全啊這些完全都是這些帳都要算在文化部的頭上啊這沒有辦法啊他們跟你報備可是沒有提出改善啊那你覺得我們這筆錢怎麼要給 |
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給更多這一定還是有一個經營改善的方法經營run一個business你總要提出跟我們的部長提出一個未來的一個方式連短中期你都要有這樣的一個模式嘛否則你怎麼辦呢不是嗎 部長我們在審預算的時候一定會提出這樣的一個質疑啊公共廣播集團它基本上有董事會很多東西要在董事會通過 |
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而我們只是被報備我們手不能伸進去您剛才講的華視的問題20年前我就做第一任的華視總經理我就跟銀行借了六七億這個整個災難就從那個時候開始中間換了10個所以你的災難是從你當總經理開始對因為我實在是那這個災難到20年來由你當部長剛好可以解決就是人生的覆滅所以我請求你們給我換那個新的新的董事會你說換董事會能解決嗎 |
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換董事會之後我們可以靜下來重新討論華視公視未來的一些部長你只要提得出來我們可以來討論看看啦問題是我現在都沒有看到任何人對我這樣子所質疑的這個有關華視的問題沒有任何人提出任何的改善規劃你願意提不管你換董事會什麼你只要提得出來你過去這才是你一生的使命嘛災難從裡面開始你最後就應該讓災難來結束這不就猜測20年剛剛好嗎這樣離遠才會對你距離道理越來越近好不好好 |
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現在請陳培宇委員進行詢答好 謝謝主席 那有請部長有請李部長 |
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那委員好部長我剛剛在來質詢會場的路上我聽到我們的胡元輝董事長被趕出去了我覺得非常非常的遺憾而且第一時間我其實沒有看到文化部有出來說明不過剛剛柯志恩委員在問的時候部長做了一些說明但是好像被打斷了我想要請部長再清楚明確的表達您的立場 |
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其實我覺得我們事情一直在被模糊說曾經有總經理在協商中產生新的董事會我覺得我們應該反過來想這二十年來有兩次都要到一千天才能夠產生為什麼就是因為這個整個制度互相杯葛我希望在我手上重新回到制度本身我如果還是走上一個跟公示法不一樣的方式透過政黨協商 |
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我覺得我就完全違反過去公共電視公廣集團在20年前因為黨政軍退出以後才開始有這個公共廣播集團所以我很遺憾就是在剛才大會一開始就把這個胡董事長趕出去我想請問當一個公共電視有這麼一千個員工每年都要發薪水每年都要簽公文你把一個董事長趕出去可是新的董事會又不讓我成立那你到底要怎麼辦 |
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因為我非常有誠意的在去年年底就提了14個人我被刪掉10個請問這個誠意在哪裡刪掉4個之後我第二次再提10個所有委員都簽字要來開會了忽然來一個全部辭職然後把責任推給我說我沒有協商 |
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請問你我提出十個之後我要怎麼協商難道我要扣掉五個你們加進五個嗎那我這樣做部長我怎麼做得下去我當然要堅持下去行政院現在就已經去案給立法院再派八個人再派八個人我願意很有誠意的溝通跟他分析為什麼我們在推這十個人這十個人分布在哪一個領域年輕化 族群化 還有體育選手 |
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我願意非常有誠意的在溝通但是我願意跟審查委員溝通因為審查委員就代表社會公共人士他為什麼要反過來聽政黨的指揮這點是我實在沒辦法接受以上就是我的報告 |
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謝謝部長 花了一些我個人質詢的時間讓部長說明不過部長也剛有幾個重點我覺得要向社會大眾再報告第一個 你第一次提出了14個人後來再提了10個 現在又提了8個我擔心一件事情 部長假設在被立法院在野黨團杯葛甚至在不當的媒體上有一些惡意的操作會不會未來 |
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沒有任何的所謂年輕人士專業人士或者是熱心參與公共的人士不願意再被提名我認為很有可能發生這個現象 |
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剛剛講八個是指那個行政院、立法院再提八個評審委員那事實上按照法律來講過去這20年並沒有那個不得延年條款的情況下有兩次快要一千天財團法人公共電視還是可以繼續運作現在情況一模一樣因為依照財團法人 |
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實務的運作它是可以延任的我剛才講到一個關鍵你今天把董事長趕走你是不是就停止觀光電視的營運然後這邊又杯葛我從去年年底一直杯葛到現在然後把我認為我不協商是一個真正的罪犯的話抱歉那你想要什麼 |
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很遺憾啦部長我希望當然民進黨團絕對全力支持公共電視也支持部長我們希望後續在野黨的朋友們我們可以一起努力我都已經說朋友我想我們已經釋出善意了好謝謝部長我們辦公室一直以來跟文化部在溝通的議題就是關於AI時代的文化主權在雲端 |
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台灣的文化不能不能置身事外我相信部長應該非常清楚我們都來自於做內容的產業不論是電影、出版、雜誌、電視、廣播、報紙或是現在各式各樣網路上數位媒體的創作我們如果來看下一張國發會公佈的AI十大建設方案裡面第七點有提到主權AI還有算力建設 |
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算力及國力這個是指硬體的部分我相信部長已經非常清楚了可是我相信部長你也知道在AI時代不是只有算力是國力而是所有大語言模型公司背後所設置的語料平台到底他讀了哪些語料基本上也展現了軟性的國力所以我要說但是在民間資料的釋出上我知道之前在Tide模型的時候有非常多政府公部門的資料協助Tide但是 |
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文化部所主管的內容產業這件事情民間產業如何跟這個議題往下合作前一陣子呢蘇發布的林一進部長在接受媒體專訪的時候他自己非常清楚林一進本身也是一個作家他說我們現在正在打造主權AI餘料庫有很大的一個重點是為了降低國際科技巨頭對於台灣資料的使用門檻也就是 |
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把政府變成了跟國際公司的對口然後幫忙在台灣內部打包所有的繁體中文語料資料到1TB如果用書本來換算部長是100萬本我只是用書本來換算那如果以電影來換算以廣播來換算它會是不同的結果可是因為現在沒有夠多夠好的而且夠乾淨的資料所以現在所有的大語言模型公司的這些語料 |
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他都只能到網路上去爬這些資料我們會說那些是不夠乾淨的資料沒有整理過的資料甚至有一些是被污染的資料喔好往下看如果要讓資料乾淨沒有被污染而且可以打包完整必須要做哪些事情呢部長我們需要做這麼多事情一我們需要實體採集跟預處理第二個要做優化 |
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第三個要做分析跟定位再來文字跟手寫的辨識語意的校正格式化最後知識項鍊化跟入庫聽起來好像沒有很難簡單的說就是把過去部長您的創作可能過去是用簽字排版後來在電腦印刷之後呢他有了數位排版但是一個不管是授權的問題或者是您的資料您的創作有沒有在網路上變成盜版他去讀取的時候要如何把你的作品跟你連結在一起變成是一個台灣本地的資料這件事情非常重要 |
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目前部長我想跟你報告我們辦公室已經非常主動 |
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積極的跟國科會主委也跟述發部部長我們都溝通了他們也都一致認為這件事情非常重要而且他們也啟動相關預算所以未來部長在5月19號我們辦公室會舉辦一個座談述發部跟國科會都會出席我在這裡就要要求文化部在當天也必須出席我們必須跨部會協助打包夠好夠乾淨的餘料資料我想問一下部長怎麼看來下一張 |
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來部長你怎麼看這個問題我跟委員報告剛剛講到我們自己公有的部分我們已經全部全部都捐給這個這個沒有問題來掌握時間然後這個部分其實我們有了解到我們在未來我們如何處理跟民間之間用架構或者合作的方式我們一定要訂一個制度 |
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或者是文化部能夠擬定一個獎勵制度這樣子我們才能夠跟民間擁有著作權的人或者是一些比較那個版權不清楚的狀況我們才能夠比較好處理但是我知道這個事情的重要性所以我想我們會一起來討論好那5月19我期待看到文化部相關的主管出席好來下一個 |
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在AI基本法上個會期通過了那現在AI基本法主管機關是國科會那在這個基本法裡面有規定人工智慧戰略委員會必須要設置這個委員會而且必須要有相關產業的代表那我們來看一下國科會他們提供的資料告訴我們說他們在先請行政院院長圈選人工智慧領域相關專家學者民間團體還有產業代表名單 |
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以國科會的科學思維他想到的就是民間科技公司或者是科學界的學者專家可是部長我們剛都意識到文化產業非常重要 對嗎所以我們辦公室也已經主動要求國科會 |
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你們的人工智慧戰略委員會裡面沒有文化內容產業代表是大錯特錯那主委也已經承諾這個部分我要拜託文化部自己主動積極的再去找國科會討論這件事情我們如何協助民間文化產業內容的朋友們進到這個人工智慧戰略委員會裡頭當相關產業代表來 部長 |
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委員你講這個其實非常重要我們已經把這樣一個題目列在我們全國文化大會裡面最重要的一個議題就是未來我們文化部的所有文化產業絕對不能夠置外於AI這個項目所以謝謝您跟跟他們爭取到我們文化部能夠參與這個 |
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這個部分到時候如果他們去詢問你們文化部的意見拜託文化部也要主動接求好嗎好所以剛剛講了這麼多上述兩個建議來下一張簡單的說就是文化部必須要主動跟各個內容產業保持聯繫那我們辦公室願意當第一個橋樑先開這個會當天請文化部一定要派人出席 |
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接下來關於跟國科會速發部在員工智慧戰略特別委員會的部分文化部要主動表態協助內容產業進到這個委員會當然我們辦公室會再主動跟國科跟速發部討論好謝謝部長來下一個謝謝部長回到你們的獎補助機制因為今天要談預算現在我們發現一個很大的困境來下一張 |
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最近有一個補助案有一個學者呢我就不講他的名字了他申請了文化部的補助做這個足語的繪本結果呢竟然作品啊被懷疑是用AI產生那他的案子呢是兩個月內要畫五本繪本其實時間也嚴重的不足我先不管時間為什麼不足可是我們去看補助要點你們並沒有明文規定禁止使用AI工具 |
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但是我不想針對個案因為有個案就會有更多的個案我認為我們要通盤來檢討來整理一下來 下一張部長我們辦公室幫文化部做了一個簡單的整理來看一下第一個關於你們的獎項的部分如果我以金鼎獎跟金曼獎來看你們有說要自主揭露AI使用的情況但是前提是自主揭露 |
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也就是說如果他沒有揭露要交給評審的眼睛去看他有沒有用AI天啊 部長這有多難部長我相信你一定當過文學獎的評審我也當過很多繪本獎的評審我是要怎樣可以看出肉眼可以看出他們用AI再來經會獎一樣他必須拒絕簽名說我有沒有用AI但是要評審來判斷 |
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好那如果看一下文化部其他的獎補助呢在漫畫創作還有出版行銷有四類補助一樣是要求揭露AI使用或者是簽署沒有使用的拒絕書如果違規還可以撤銷一樣我沒有看出有什麼可能性再來尚未納入AI規範的獎補助有各式各樣在你們文化部的獎補助之下你們沒有把AI規範放進來 |
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也就是說有的已經有放了但是你們要求評審要自行判斷這個我實在是覺得很納悶第二個沒有放進來的又是另外一個大問題來部長我們怎麼通案的來看這個狀態 |
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因為涉及到AI的問題其實蠻複雜就剛才您講到有些項目我們是完全不准用AI有一些項目是可以用AI但他必須要自己自己揭露在這些東西都還沒有完成之前其實我們每個比賽我們都有請了一組AI的評審來幫我們鑑定就像您剛才講的用肉眼來鑑定還怎麼樣其實我們 |
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在這些規範訂定之前我們已經在每一個比賽都另外成立一個AI評審來看看它是不是AI的作品那這個的確我覺得未來是一個非常複雜的規範我想我們要 |
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對於AI這個評審的部分如果這樣聽起來你們現在有我們辦公室會再細究相關的做法再請文化部來跟我們報告時間有限最近一個作家朱祐勳他其實在自己的臉書上就說到有各式各樣的機制可以去防範如果你肉眼看不出來我們還有什麼機制但因為你們剛剛說現在有所謂的AI評審小組我們後續再討論也許再可以把很多民間的意見納進來這邊我就不再浪費大家時間所以我具體的建議有兩個第一個 |
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有介於現階段文化部的內部的講補助關於AI的部分我們要仔細通盤考量再來我要確保相關的公平性還有族群文化脈絡符合公平原則不要住侵害的住宿財產權各式各樣的規範都要拜託文化部這邊再多加規範相關機制我想很多的細節我們都還需要再花時間討論我今天就是簡單提出來好 |
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再來最後一個關於影視產業的職災部長您過去做電影現場我相信你一定知道電影現場有非常多的困境可能在30年前的困境到30年後依然沒有解決感謝郭育琴委員在今年3月辦了一個座談也邀請我們辦公室參加現場就有提到因為沒有退避權所以很多的危險現象就不斷的發生 |
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那最近呢 4月29號又出事了 急到阿嬤團又出事了 駕駛卡車的演員沒有停住直直地往舒嬅服裝組的工作空間衝過去結果現在緊急停工一樣 我們不要只看個案 我們來看通案喔來 部長 |
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謝謝部長之前在發生相關事件之後就跟勞動部積極的跨部會討論而且很有承擔勇於任事的開了記者會謝謝兩個部會的合作但是我非常感謝當時的影視局提到一個非常重要的關鍵字叫第三方輔導機制我認為這個是業界現在渴望 |
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我再說一次可能是業界的從業人員渴望看見的但可能是業界的資方代表會有所擔心的甚至可能會有很多製片公司開始感到焦慮我認為兩邊的情緒如何照顧到讓我們的職業工作現場更安全然後資方也可以更加放心的投資我認為這件事情非常重要 |
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所以如果我們來看一下其實也不是只有文化部其實文策院對於影視產業有非常多的投資包含還有公視的委制我們來看一下33億、53億、47億這個是逐年的金額也就是說在文化部本身還有文策院還有公共電視這些的錢如果回過頭來看光是獎補助我們就可以創造一些有利於勞方跟資方都良善的工作環境跟投資環境下一張 |
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我們看到你們做了一些事情 我們幫你們整理部長 第一張如果要防範整個職業工作現場是更好的第一個可以事前哪些事可以做事情的中間哪些事情可以做事後哪些補助可以做這個資料我們會後都可以給你們我們現在看到藍色的部分是勞動部跟文化部已經做的事情這些這些這些我們來看下一張 |
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下一張是未來假設真的出現第三方專業輔導機制你們就可以做的事情也就是剛剛沒有辦法畫藍色線的其實你們的第三方輔導機制螢光線都剛剛好可以補足這是我們辦公室做的研究當然我們需要影視局給我們更多專業的意見但是這個我們也是跟很多專家學者討論也跟很多民間團體討論也就是說 |
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搭配部長兩位部長已經講的那些剛剛藍色的字再加上影視局公開宣稱的第三方輔導機制我們極有可能就讓現在的工作現場是資方跟勞方都共同覺得很好的一個現況來 部長說明一下 |
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因為這個部分牽涉到資方跟勞方之間的一些權益您剛才講這些原來我們已經訂下去的黃色的是你們還沒有做的對我知道就是根據你們影視局說原來我們後來我們談出來那個其實是非常嚴厲的對資方的懲罰包括他如果犯的話兩三年都不能再申請那您剛才講這些我想我們就來試著看看來溝通其實我們也試著跟所有電視公司 |
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有進行過輔導跟他們講我們這些辦法那進一步這些您講的這些東西我想我們就就照著來努力去朝這個方向來做好那我們也會積極再跟影視局開會你們如何開始積極的規劃所謂第三方專業輔導機制因為是你們自己提出來的那確實我們的研究也看到這個可能性而且借鏡日韓近年的改革經驗確實也是如此所以最後我的建議非常簡單 |
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部長您的手上就有文化部的預算有文策院的預算公共電視委制的預算光是這些獎補助我們就可以把第三方專業輔導的機制的前身先帶入然後等到機制完整之後我們再全面的要求其他就算沒有補助但是產業可以健全的可能性帶入最後 |
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第三方專業輔導機制這件事情真的要開始啟動研究也好請問學者專家也好找民間代表的聲音來聽不管是老方還是資方我認為沒有人想要看到意外發生就算我是製作公司我也不想看到我的節目停擺我也不想看到我的錢卡在那邊所以拜託文化部影視局我們一起努力所以今天的很多題目後續都還需要時間在追蹤拜託文化部協助一起努力謝謝謝謝主席 |
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好 請林一金委員進行質詢謝主席 有請李部長好 請李部長部長早 |
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這個國民黨一大早就針對公共電視伸出張手他們要癱瘓公視謀殺媒體獨立的惡意毫不遮掩那我想可能也是獨裁久了啦或者是跟習近平走得近了所以法律知識也相當低落 |
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公視董事和監察人是依據財團法人法延長執行職務到第八屆董事跟監察人就任為止所以胡元輝當然還是現在的公共電視董事長不是國民黨說癱瘓就癱瘓喔好 那我想部長也相當清楚喔這一屆以來 在野黨 |
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對於公共董事長 公視的董事的領選實在是藍白兩黨司馬昭之心 辱人皆知他們透過不斷向文化部施壓要求董事人選必須透過政治協商來選出那終極目標就是要扶持出他們想要的可以控制的公視的董事長 |
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那當然這次如果就是政黨的力量在介入媒體那行政院雖然有董事候選人的提名權可是最終必須還是由立法院選派的審查委員以三分之二同意通過才可以獲得正式聘任那換句話說只要在野黨不喜歡哪個人選哪個人就一定會被刷掉 |
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在這樣的情況之下在港推派了八名審查委員對人選不滿意居然是集體辭職來拒絕履行這個職責而不是正大光明在國人面前把這些不喜歡的人刷掉那我想這不是心虛 什麼叫心虛 |
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找不到理由刷掉李志凱找不到理由刷掉彭正敏恰恰找不到理由刷掉黃韻玲等這些董事候選人然後乾脆用辭職卡關來政治勒索所以我想他們心知肚明 |
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就是無法否決行政院提出的優秀董事的名單可是卻想要公然喬人事所以不是要找人才嘛 我想是要找國民黨的奴才這樣愚昧的行為還發生在民主自由的台灣 實在是不可思議所以我想 李部長 你一定要堅決捍衛公共電視的獨立自主性不要輕易像在野黨的政治勒索妥協 可以嗎 |
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可以沒問題但是我為什麼一直希望這個題目我們要把它講清楚就是像剛剛那個大會對於合法延任獨立運作的財團法人董事長請他出去基本上就是不尊重那我為什麼那麼堅持並不是我很頑固不妥協是因為我真的覺得 |
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在20年前我們本來有個很有理想的一個公共廣播集團的成立而且也講出遊戲規則是由政黨派出社會公正人士來選可是從20年前開始我們就不斷的遇到這種互相杯葛然後沒辦法產生我多麼希望趕快把這個又回到一個 |
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審查機制其實它一點都不難啊譬如說你去年我提了14個你把我刪掉10個其實非常不公平因為那10個裡面有7個是連任的我多麼希望連任的可以繼續做因為他們本身當年大家都同意了嘛好 |
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那你把我刪掉了 那我請問你 你們希望是哪一種人現場他們也都講出來 希望族群 希望年輕 希望等等等全部都講出來以後 我就按照現場講的那個結論去再去找那你要知道再去找的時候 很多人都不願意了嘛因為他看到前面14個刪掉10個如果他是真的有社會名望的人 他為什麼要來 結果 |
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各位看到我的名單嘛其實都是很棒的人因為大家都想維持一個至少我們社會還有制度還有公平嘛這到底很 |
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部長加油部長您受到的不公平的待遇或受到的打擊其實在這一次我們去年被爛山爛洞文化部的預算包括我們在各部會提交追加預算案的時候 |
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文化部是唯一被排除就是我們沒有辦法追加任何的一項預算的需求然後在全面聚省總預算的狀態之下那藍白又挑出這個718億的項目說要先放行可是當中一筆文化部的預算都沒有所以文化部 |
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這個看起來藍白兩黨是相當針對您啊相當針對文化部那其實很明顯嘛他就是對台灣文化很針對性的打擊啊那我想國民黨主席喔特別國民黨主席鄭麗文他從中國又搬回來十項統戰措施啊那當中第九項就宣誓說什麼要協助習近平推動這個台灣做出符合中共官方觀點的隱私作品 |
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那明目張膽要獨裁中國那套思想的審查標準搬到台灣來我想國民黨的舉動當然就是在向台灣文化宣戰同時也在對我國的民主制度威脅跟挑戰我想身為台灣最大在野黨不但背負中國指派的任務 |
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以前是長期這樣嫁給他現在是很大方的承認他們就是中共議員審查委員會所以我想面對這樣子的情境部長我想您的憂心跟傷心跟憤怒我想是一定的可是針對這樣目前的狀況那您到底有什麼樣因應的想法 |
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其實我覺得在社會上一直有一個誤解就是台灣好像不讓中國的電影跟影視進來大陸對我們非常歡迎在上一次機會我已經宣布其實我們對於中國的影視進來是 |
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非常有制度而且敞開心胸我們都願意給他們反而是他們長期以來不進口台灣的所有的劇集已經很久沒有進電視劇對於電影每年也進不到十部而且經過審查在這一次宣布這個十項會台辦法裡面我問給你們聽他希望我們台灣拍那個導向正確 |
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內容健康展現兩岸親情等特定主題現在他的手伸進來連我們要拍什麼他都要管嗎這其實非常非常荒謬那我回到以前黨國時代拍電影還要健康寫實還要為黨國宣傳他寫這個東西完全不了解台灣已經進到一個自由民主到什麼程度了 |
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換句話說很不了解台灣的狀態其實中國大陸目前的影視狀況不好商業情況也不好他依賴台灣的會更多他會希望台灣的電影過去是很好的甚至於台灣電影工作者到那邊去替他們拍了很多非常賣座的電影其實台灣的電影工作者是非常優秀的所以當他訂這個的時候我們一陣叫好我實在看不出來哪裡好因為 |
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一直要創造一個模糊的印象是台灣排斥中國文化其實中國一直很怕台灣的文化過去是因為我們兩邊的文化差距越拉越大因為我們自由民主的環境中創造出來的多元的題材是中國大陸很害怕的 |
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這個才是真相剛剛委員的詢答我看那個部長也就有回答嘛就是說你有強調其實我們現在台灣的影視啊文化 文學其實我們的好成績是有目共睹的我們就電影產業來講您的報告也有提到啊 |
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這個2025年上映的國片就有五部破譯啊這個打破市佔率11.75%疫情後的新紀錄那至於台灣文學更不用講我們得到國際這個高度的關注跟肯定這個楊雙子跟那個金玲他翻譯的這個台灣漫遊錄我們也得到這個美國國家圖書獎翻譯文學的大獎又錄為了英國國際博客獎的決選名單我想 |
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入圍這個英國國際布克獎的決選這個真的是非同小可因為布克獎代表這個高水準的英語書寫然後他獲得許多獲得布克獎然後是獲得諾貝爾文學獎的那所以我想這對於國際社會認識台灣文學真的是非常關鍵的一步那楊雙子是非常謙虛的說台灣漫遊路是受惠於文化部青年創作補助跟文學外溢政策 |
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文化部為文學創作者撐開空間才讓他有機會可以得到這些獎項他期待未來能夠透過更加完善的支持的機制能催生下一本的《台灣漫遊錄》我想一個作家跟藝者 |
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那個要養成何其不容易所以我想部長您最清楚因為可不可以請您用一個作家這個前輩的角度來分享一下就你認為在一個作家的生涯裡他最需要文化部怎麼樣的協力那回頭看有沒有哪些的文學政策文化政策 |
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就是說是您書寫《永之聲》在1975年的時候會覺得說哇 那個時候如果有這樣的政策有多好部長 你覺得要怎麼樣的協力好 其實藝術創作包括剛剛您講的文學包括我們前面講的獨立音樂還有包括繪畫 |
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他都沒有辦法立刻生存的他的第一桶金最好是來自政府政府如果給他第一桶金他就可以安靜下來花兩年時間寫第一部作品楊雙子為什麼一再被提起他就是一個最好的例子他說如果沒有政府的第一筆錢他根本不可能選擇寫作他到處打工嘛到處打工賺錢給他第一桶金他就用一兩年時間寫出第一本然後又得到我們的住村 |
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然後又得到我們的翻譯最後他得到獎剛才您說的沒有錯布克獎跟諾貝爾獎就是隔壁了很多布克獎的得主都是諾貝爾獎得主所以為什麼他很重要就是其實你只要願意做這個在制度上的改變 |
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他就很容易產生最優秀的作家所以我來之後其實我提出了非常多的針對於創作者的補助比如說下一本書他只要得獎我們就有下一本書還有流亂者計畫因為我是來自創作我知道創作不太可能像其他職業一樣靠那個為生他一定要在前幾年給他一定的足夠的生活費 |
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當他創作出來一個好東西的時候他對我們國家出去展現台灣的國力其實幫助是非常大的 |
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對 部長講得很對因為國家資源對於文化創業者的支持絕對不是國民黨立委說的要飯的碗要站上國際舞台跟歐美日韓這些長時間文化輸出的傳統而且是掌握世界文學跟隱世話語權的這些國家競爭我想台灣必須要建立起 |
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堅強的文化國家隊才能夠方方面面的支持台灣文學跟影視產業好那我們來一樣拿台灣文學來說就所謂的文化國家隊我想不只是對於作者跟藝者進行獎補助而已我想還要照顧到整體產業鏈的這個發展 |
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這包括出版發行啊 通路銷售啊IP的多元應用跟媒合還有國人的閱讀習慣的風氣的建立好 那如果要打通國際市場那要有版權代理的問題要處理所以部長 如果以台灣文學為例那整個產業鏈準備好了沒那可不可以請你說明一下就在審預算的時候你希望委員能夠一起相挺的部分在哪裡 |
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當然講到那個銷售通路包括國外的版權通路還有我們台灣的出版社有沒有可能在國外成立分公司同一本書可以同時在不同的語言國家一起銷售都是我們目前很想努力做的就是有一天我們的漫畫有一天我們的繪本有一天我們的文學可以同步在 |
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日本、法國、英國、台灣一起出版這樣我們的通路就已經完全可以支撐我們的文化產業然後您剛才也講了一個非常重要就是我們跨領域的產業比如說動畫、漫畫或者文學、電影跨領域的 |
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那個產業可以產生新的IP新的IP可以讓他讓這個創作可以一直延續所以我們需要蠻多的這方面的經費而且這些經費是非常值得因為我剛才講到一個文化可以帶來一個 |
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國家的自信它好像看不到具體的建設可是它是一個自信當我們走到國外去知道外國的小孩子在看我們的書閱讀我們的繪本看我們的漫畫那就是一種自信跟文化輸出這點真的非常重要 |
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6662.037 |
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對 所以最後談到預算就是說藍白兩黨他長時間來背革國家總預算那導致其實文化部預算我們現在才在審議啦好 那新興預算我們有4億900多元還有延續性的支出超過上年度的預算的28億多現在其實都無法執行嘛那文化部評估 如果按照這個時程 |
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最快可以什麼時候用到這些預算另外想要請教妳是說我們同時考量一個狀況如果預算案被押到可能我們如果按照這個進度我想也一定要是過年中過了一半才會通過那這樣子的話基本上如果有一些凍結案我們到 |
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可能也沒時間可以解凍那就變成是實質這個刪減那這樣子的話你覺得整個的文化部的預算會遭到怎樣的衝擊跟傷害那您又要向我們的在野黨的委員怎麼樣呼籲 |
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其實最嚴重就是我們的歷史重建2.0因為它涉及到全台灣各地的一些重建我一直要強調我們文化部的預算佔全國總預算不到1%現在大概0.93到0.98所以其實我們每一年的錢都不夠 |
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到各地全台灣各縣市的那個房屋修繕完全不夠那你現在不讓我們再通過這個新興預算的話他是更不夠有一點我覺得當我們預算越高的時候我們的同仁是更忙的大家不要一直以為預算高我們亂花其實預算越高我們同事越忙這點大家一直有一個錯誤說錢多我們就亂花其實不會 |
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公務員基本上他就按照規定用錢你一直刪減我們的結果是全民的損失是是全民一起損失那我也很無奈因為你不給我們錢我們就沒有辦法去做這些修復嘛了解好期待我們再來預算審查能比較順利好謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝林警委員的詢問 |
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下一位葛如君葛委員有請謝謝主席 有請文化部黎遠部長有請部長 |
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各位好久不見部長很高興看到你非常健康作為你的粉絲我也非常高興那在今天進入執行前想請部長看一段短片部長可以用電影人的專業評論一下這個短片拍的怎麼樣指導匈奴王庭 |
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那我想問一下部長這樣的製作假設要來申請補助或者說要規劃一個資源來拍這樣子一部片子以這樣的調度規模您覺得是幾萬塊幾十萬塊幾百萬塊還是幾千萬塊甚至上億等級 |
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你覺得這樣的設計製作道具準備在傳統的拍攝的計畫上兩天做得完嗎其實您剛剛已經講到一個未來的影視的趨勢因為 |
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譬如說李安導演跟我最近聊的都是這一個就是未來我們的AI在運用上會完全改變我們的影視創作所以我會把這個列入是我們整個文化部未來要列入一個非常重要的一個政策就是剛剛提到AI的一些不能用的地方可是當AI可以幫助我們成為一個智慧代工的時候可能我們就要真實地面對它 |
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好謝謝部長我想很高興聽到您跟李安大導演也是我也是粉絲兩位偶像一起來探討AI跟文化的結合這部短片老實說是三月份爆紅的影片短片或去病我個人覺得五月再回來看其實已經說是拍得很差了這個技術已經完全跟不上了短短兩個月 |
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現在已經可以比他做到真實百倍千倍而且效果還更好不過當時是十幾個人團隊用AI製作這樣的戰爭的場面從準備到製作到生成據說花48小時但重點就是什麼不用做道具不用打燈光不用找這個沙場 |
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那製作成本估計傳統的特效一分鐘大概18萬台幣的話AI製作很可能一分鐘是180塊新台幣傳統的製作期很可能要拉得很長據說48小時可以完成一個23分鐘的成片其實這個確實我們認為台灣的影視產業 |
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到底能不能順利完成這樣的量級跨越完全取決於部長以及文化部的一念之間這是一種成本壓縮降為打擊的概念 |
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就像過去的桌上型電腦取代了比一個房間還要大的電腦現在口袋裡的手機取代了過去我們的桌機那這種技術革命伴隨而來的其實過去有些人會擔心說哎呀會不會失業政府會不會讓藝文工作者沒有辦法有工作但事實上這件事情是不用擔心的關鍵在於政府有沒有讓藝文工作者有機會有資源能接觸到這些新的技術 |
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關鍵在於我們的文化部能不能做領頭羊讓藝文工作者人人會AI人人有AI那我們也其實立法院 |
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| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
7057.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
並沒有閒著我們在去年年底通過賴清德總統今年1月份公告人工智慧基本法第15條就已經明定了政府應積極彌平人工智慧發展所造成的技能落差提升勞動參與保障經濟安全落實尊嚴勞動這個我想也是部長心心念念要來關注AI的地方可是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
7071.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
當我們檢視文化部的業務報告預算報告不僅和AI有關的政策寥寥無幾增進藝文工作者AI技能的相關經費更是完全沒有編列 |
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7073.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
7090.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
115年度只有辦理AI科技發展對不同文化產業影響之調查研究分析喔還在調查研究分析喔200萬元新台幣佔多少我們也幫部長算好了只佔文化部年度總預算296.44億哇我覺得部長是這個 |
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7095.238 |
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7112.197 |
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剛剛您講的說 哇 只有1%不到 0.93講起來數字很小但是當我們回到新台幣金額的時候非常巨大啊 部長296.4億啊 這個很小嗎好 沒有關係 這個度量衡 大家有不同想法 |
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7112.577 |
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7137.068 |
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但是AI佔的比例就真的太小了200萬台幣佔裡面多少0.0067%部長您身為電影人應該可以切身感到就是說現在藝文工作者面臨AI浪潮有焦慮有恐慌有些人可能很興奮那您作為部長應該要伸出一雙手用政策和預算的力量您剛剛也提到 |
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7137.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
7154.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
低桶金低支手低的橄欖枝那去幫助移民工作者跨越這個最重要我們中華民國歷史上最關鍵的文化產業的升級可是在您的業務報告裡面預算報告裡面我們卻完全沒有找到相關的內容 |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
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那也難怪剛剛有民進黨的委員陳培宇委員也提醒為什麼AI戰略委員會裡面沒有文化部的代表後面就是因為你們不重視這為什麼我們沒有找到相關內容可不可以給部長說明一下兩百萬我們只看到兩百萬我覺得的確在這方面我們文化部的一開始的只有研究一些比如說AI給我們帶來的一些問題等等 |
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未來AI在文化產業上的製作我剛才有提到就是人工智慧裡面幫助我們文化產業去生成這個作品的他應該是智慧代工他最後還是要靠我們自己本身的智慧他只能扮演代工因為您剛才講的沒有錯他可以很快的生成一部影片非常便宜可是當他大量生產的時候他是非常一樣的大家會看得很厭所以如何發揮我們自己本身 |
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自己的智慧跟把人工智慧當作代工來做這點文化部的確是要在這個時候加強所以我剛才有提到說我們這次的全國文化會議這是一個很大的主題希望能夠為未來這四年定下一個包括預算包括政策希望委員也來幫我們做指導因為我也看出來在這一波的人工智慧如果我們不搭上這一波的話其實未來是很危險的 |
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部長我是誠心要跟您交流很感謝您找李安大導演但是要談得更多談得更早談得更快部會的同仁要讓他們走在您的前面而不是您走在他們的前面我們要讓整個文化產業一起走在前面現在我們看到115年編列非常少200萬 |
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2016年我們其實看到的也真的不多所以我想這個可是剛剛我們已經講了嘛3月份的獲具併我現在看已經覺得很遜了啦才兩個月那我們現在如果您現在要規劃下去哇四年多久之後會通過這個預算遙遙無期啊那我們文化人在這個降維打擊底下怎麼辦我們真的只能躺平嗎 |
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沒有關係這個真的要請部長加速也許會後我們還要再跟部長跟同仁再來討論但是您剛剛有提到一個關鍵的點我也要跟您交流我完全理解到也猜測到您的回應就是最棒的故事是可以發揚全球AI只是工具對我們都同意 |
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台灣有最豐沛的創意也有最會說故事的人但是如果一個很棒的故事假如用墨資寫在竹簡上面要傳給一千個人看就要抄九九九遍還很容易風化沒有辦法把故事內容保存下來部長我要跟您分享的就是AI工具是一個載體可以把我們的故事 |
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裝載起來傳承出去這個如果不加速就變成別人用蔡侖照子古藤堡發明的金屬活字印刷術在傳揚他們的故事文化的時候我們還在用竹剪還在用墨織這是我們非常憂心的事啊 |
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這個對於創作者來講創作本身沒有改變但是用不同的載體真的差別很大創意固然重要好的故事也很重要但是AI是一個這個時代承載故事的新的容器我們真的不能再等這個我想部長你也知道 |
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我說了很多我們剛剛也讓部長講了很多我們真的都一起來加速努力好不好那我想這個其實啊裡面還有額外的問題還不只是技術喔還不只是技術喔部長我要跟您報告前幾天啊有OTT的業者宣布要建立AI演員資料庫引起話題 |
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7415.011 |
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AI可以生成角色他可以創造李遠部長的分身去演或去病喔那既然這個AI隱私的浪潮讓AI資料庫的建立無法避免我們也沒有辦法全面禁止那我們就要及早避免藝文工作者在不平等條約下被迫簽訂不平等的授權合約 |
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政府要建立一套合法的授權去追蹤、分論、撤回可以集體談判的制度來保障藝文工作者的權益部長我這邊要緊急的來問您啦就說AI演員資料庫的議題引起了廣泛的討論那文化部有沒有邀集演藝人員工會配音人員工會等團體了解他們對於這個議題的想法共同研議政府未來的政策方向要採取哪些措施 有嗎 |
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7464.777 |
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現在好像還沒有嗎 我們還沒做到這一步那可以加速嗎 可以趕快來討論嗎不過剛剛講到一個兩百多萬 我忽然想到其實是誤會 我們大概有一億多的一個新興計畫市長你不要現在回馬槍啦我們都有 資料都有 我們都幫你看過了不是 我有一億多的新興計畫 預算你沒有通過啊 |
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我們馬上就要來處理了嘛我們不是在處理了嗎你一方面要我們做AI一方面預算也不過294億裡面有1億那不然你內容唸出來啊哪一個哪一個是符合我們提到的哪一個是符合提到增進藝魂工作者AI技能的相關經費你唸出來你唸一個就好 |
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7515.172 |
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我計劃是一整本的計劃對嘛對但是它裡面涉及到每一個我們剛剛那麼好的交流你現在递了一個新興預算又要來嗆我我也給你機會說明曾慶義文工作者AI技能經費在哪裡你剛剛又停住我覺得這個真的我們會很傷心啊好不好那我們已經進入到人權的保障了你現在又要跟我炒預算這個這樣不 |
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7541.51 |
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這個我覺得人民會很傷心啦好不好我們回到藝文工作者的權益好不好主席我爭取一點時間因為部長剛剛講到預算他也有點自己搞不太清楚狀況我們會後可以交流好不好好這個我們講說齁這個藝文工作者的身份權啦剛剛您正要答應我說要做討論那多久之內會召開一個會議一個月內兩個月內 |
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7558.482 |
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好 一個月好了好 太好了因為有非常多演藝人員聲音的表演人員是很擔憂的因為我們台灣的現行法制對於聲音肖像授權的AI使用是有不足之處部長知道嗎 |
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7586.916 |
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是這部分我覺得我們要加快那文化部要採取因應措施啊好不好要採取什麼措施嗎就是還沒開會就是我們的措施嗎不是嗎一個月內嘛對不對對因為您剛才講了好幾樣事情我想我們會加快真的要加快真的要加快AI真的很快各個國家都在走我們台灣呢其實有很多還不完備的地方加州2024就做了田納西州2024就做了還有這個貓王法案 |
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我想部長點頭如搗蒜表示您也都聽過啦台灣演藝人員的臉也是臉台灣演藝人員的權利也是權利那我們看到國外的案例我們的演藝人員可不可以享有數位分身權的保障 |
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7629.635 |
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不要在未經同意之下被分身了我拍你兩張照片你簽個合同兩塊錢美金給你你就變成電影AI電影的主角啦我們再次強調這個是有具體訴求的演藝人員的臉部身體聲音聲紋動作表情表演資料過往作品或其他可識別的人格特徵經由AI機器學習電腦合成 |
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技術深層重置模擬或替代表演這結果可能必須要有使用前同意權使用範圍控制權合理報酬請求權收益分潤權資訊揭露權撤回或終止的權利報告部長在台灣在中華民國完全沒有這些權利保障我們的人員演藝人員不被分身啊 |
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這太可怕了部長以上這些要求能不能做到今天給個期限吧邀集相關部會剛剛我們討論的是另外一個議題現在我們討論的是數位分身權法制化這個能不能邀集相關部會一起來討論給個期限好嗎 |
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我剛才講過這個東西是在我們的新興預算裡面其實我們內部已經開過第一次會議那您剛才講到跟其他部會數位分身權是新興預算哪一個部分您說出來嘛新興預算哪一個部分就是剛才講的就是人文驅動未來關鍵這個是一億多裡面分了很多項目裡面就剛才包括你講這個嘛 |
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沒關係我們都相信這裡面大家心是一致的啦我們要保障台灣的文化保障台灣演藝人員最後跟主席爭取一點時間藝文工作者的健康權實體健康也很重要那我們花了兩年的時間2024年11月份就提出這個藝文工作者安全衛生防護跟健康檢查的補助方案 |
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7735.675 |
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結果呢文化部竟然跟我們講說已經有健檢了有衛福部健保在處理啊然後呢說30歲以上的已經都有了啊怎麼樣30歲以下的文藝工作者就不是文藝工作者嗎您是電影工作者我這裡要 |
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真的跟主席非常抱歉我要真的要講出來藝文工作者身心壓力健康其實是在文化創造的過程其實是會有影響的比如說燈光師要長期搬運沉重的燈具器材容易造成腰部背部等肌肉損傷慢性職業的傷害布警師更被列為第四類高風險的職業經常面臨燙傷吸入性化學粉塵連文化部自己的報告也都 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7791.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
百分之二十一的受訪者曾在過去一年內因工作造成身體受傷或疾病結果文化部回應我們的叫做什麼我們已經有健保了我們已經每年有一次四十歲到六十歲三年一次然後四十歲以上有全民健保你們自己都講了韓國還有二十歲抱歉我想這個真的會讓人非常難過 |
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7822.042 |
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因為啊告訴等同於告訴藝文工作者你們的心血結晶你們獲得的榮耀台灣之光我們全都要文化部通通都要但是很抱歉啊你們身心的痛苦你們自行承擔這是什麼台灣之光黑暗榮耀嗎部長對於文化部的回覆我們真的打從心底感到很難過今天可不可以再給你一個機會向全國的文藝文工作者的說明說可不可以跨部會研議對於促進藝文工作者的 |
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工作內容造成身心不利影響研議漸減補助或者特殊項目補助的方案能不能請部長講一下正面的回應召集跨部會的研議不要用這樣的回應來搪塞我們2024年到11月到現在就給我們一個回應 |
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7857.862 |
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因為涉及到20歲到30歲這個族群其實涉及到全民健康政策我們必須要跟衛福部來討論因為我們自己不能決定這個20到30歲有全民健康等等您剛剛這樣講我想我們就來去跟衛福部跨部會來研議這個 |
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不只是20歲到30歲沒有被列進去而已我們剛剛講的布景師燈光師您在電影的產業您不會不知道這些人需要特別的項目特別的關心不是一個這樣子的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
藝文工作者需要文化部的照顧需要文化部的關心相信我剛剛說的話我也希望部長可以回去再思考一下能不能為藝文工作者多做一些好嗎藝文工作者的身心健康他們的性命才有辦法創造我們精彩的台灣的文化跟故事可以嗎 |
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其實我非常敬佩葛如君委員對於我們這些文化創作者的身體跟心理還有希望也對他們的其他的福利包括預算啊照顧啊待遇等等其實您剛才講到文化工作者的辛苦我自己身為文化工作者包括也拍過電影做過電視您剛才講到真的講到我們心裡的話所以謝謝你這麼關心我們 |
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7937.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
這個不分黨派一起關心然後這個讓人人有AI人人用AI要有AI的自由不要被AI受到負面的影響身體實體的健康也要注重這個需要很多努力謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們葛如君委員的詢答也有請我們文化部部長趕緊將剛剛這個數位分身然後以及相關的一些政策跟我們的演藝工作團體來盡速的做一個溝通來了解他們的一個需求我們下一位吳斯亞委員 |
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7974.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
好有請部長有請部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8003.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
副委員你好大家辛苦了首先感謝上週的考察部長率著文化部門的同仁前進了北投我們到中興新村這個全台北目前努力在保存活化再利用的眷村謝謝文化部的支持再造歷史現場的第一期五億的預算現在我們爭取第二個階段一點 |
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8029.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
一億左右也希望部裡持續的支持謝謝部長那我以北投的眷村中興新村為我今天質詢的開頭其實坦白說如果就意識形態來講保存中興新村這個眷村不應當是民進黨的吳思瑤在做我們中興新村的很多長輩真的很感慨的跟我說思瑤 |
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| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8050.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
你願意一步一步的跟著我們保留村子你也知道長期以來我們投票可能不會投給綠色的陣營但我不在乎文化就是超越黨派在這片土地發生的任何事情都值得我們當代的人 |
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8074.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
想盡辦法去保存它這是我們的文化使命所以我今天第一個題目第一個大象抵禦政治的霸凌捍衛文化的優先在台灣面對政治的干預跟霸凌文化部要為所當為同樣面對國外的霸權 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
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要欺凌台灣的文化主體性的時候我也支持文化部為所當委下一頁我在小野部長身上看到非常強捍衛文化主體性的意志首先我非常遺憾早上羅志強委員好大的氣焰把我們公共電視胡文輝董事長來請出立法院我不曉得羅志強委員有什麼樣子的權力官員奉公守法 |
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來到國會面對監督何錯之有更何況依據財團法人法如果公共電視是文化基金會嘛對不對在沒有完成董事會的改組之前依據財團法人法的規範要由現行的董事來續行職務以維持法人的運作從以前到現在都是如此部長是不是這樣 |
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對 這20年來都是用這個方式因為它是依法繼續延任所以在第四屆的時候延宕了968天第五屆延宕了58天第六屆延宕了957天公共電視的董事會真的是命運多舛但是國家的責任 公共媒體的責任就是如果即便政治在紛擾 |
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這些政客在爭鳴 我們都要努力讓國家的公共電視 為於不墜我們要讓它能夠順利運作 所以我們依據財團法人法在新的董事會沒有辦法產生之前 委員會董事長他其實是忍辱負重持續的來背這個重擔 更何況今天在審預算 |
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公共電視如果董事長沒有來我不曉得在野黨的委員會不會又見縫插針又說你們來藐視國會今天董事長來了接受國會的監督何錯之有我同樣也非常遺憾我們的召委主席配合羅志祥委員做出請董事長離場的這個才是 |
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我真的覺得非常的遺憾國會殿堂公然霸凌文化工作者我非常的氣憤 |
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孰可忍孰不可忍面對國會監督何錯之有我想羅志強委員想侮辱想欺凌文化工作者他侮辱的是他自己所以我捍衛公共電視的同仁在這個辛苦的過渡的階段大家努力捍衛公共電視的獨立專業公正我們依法來進行回到這個我想部長也多次的談到 |
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在野黨的委員兩度用不同的方式一次是投票封殺一次是直接集體的辭職抵制因為政治干預不成就集體的來進行政治的勒索讓我們的公視現在繼續的難產在野黨為什麼這樣拿不下公視就搞垮公視嗎部長我們要看清楚背後 |
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的引誤者跟政治的壓力來自於哪裡我支持您繼續捍衛公共電視我支持您我們依法我們繼續不放棄的協商但是在野黨委員這些惡質霸凌的做法要讓社會看見而背後的引誤者是什麼下一頁兩件事情要一起看 |
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中國推出的惠台十大方案當中對於文化統戰果然又名列其上也就是要配合中國的文化審批進行文化滲透這種穿著披著糖衣的毒藥台灣的片商、製作者、影視工作者會那麼容易上當嗎? |
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更何況中國的騙商已經成了騙商騙子的騙我們多少影視工作者到中國去投資好的騙子到中國結果分紅拿不到應有的報償拿不到卻陷入無止境的司法訴訟這個部分文化部能夠怎麼協助呢 |
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因為它裡面有些人是台灣中華民國籍我們就可以告他有些是在香港中國這個方面其實有的時候就變成法律的一個邊緣無法告他所以我們文化部其實一再提醒就是說我們沒有反對我們的電影工作者多一個市場去中國可是我們一再提醒他去中國的風險很大包括他要修改你的東西包括你 |
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你要通過他國營事業去發行那最後你錢不見得拿不到所以文化部就是要廣 |
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廣視所有的文化影視界其實我們最近才開會要點出風險大家不要再進了火坑不要再入了圈套文化部門要做的事就讓文化不走回頭路告訴所有的創作者創作不為黨國服務不為政治服務台灣的作品要走向哪裡走向國際我看到部長的努力如果還是有片商 |
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陷入了司法的徵送需要法律上的援助我認為文化部也應當持續的來幫忙但是串聯著剛剛的公共電視到現在的文化統戰背後的政治陰謀非常清楚癱瘓了公視以後難道台灣被迫要看央視嗎 |
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如果把台灣的這些優秀的製作者騙到了中國全部進入了中國的史觀讓文化工作者的專業變成政治文化服務的工具台灣的主體性非常的危險兩件事情我們要一起看 |
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所以從公視到中國的會台十大措施在文化統戰上我認為文化部我們更要小心翼翼的來應對而下一項 |
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我說的文化優先我們抵禦中國這種文化的滲透但是我也看到文化部門在面對美國關稅的談判的時候我們守住了部長給您短短的時間是不是剛向社會來說明在ART的談判當中 |
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我們對於出版品印刷品我們能夠豁免對等關稅讓書籍報章雜誌期刊都零關稅這是我們對於美國文化輸出台灣關鍵的勝利面對各國我們都捍衛台灣的文化優先主體性來部長你很快的跟國人報告這個難得的關鍵的勝利 |
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面對美國這樣的一個文化的霸權像好萊塢電影一進來我們就會受到影響同樣的在書籍各方面如果沒有這個關稅的保護的話我們也是非常岌岌可危所以我很感謝這次談判中可以讓這個 |
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那我們的關稅可以豁免這個關稅好 要讓全社會看到這一次關稅到目前為止談判的正向成果不只在於經貿面我們在文化面也有很難得可貴我們守住的關鍵的勝利謝謝部長那我們扣合著台灣的文化要走向哪裡我們要走向世界 |
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文化外交是台灣的外交新路 更是生路 下一頁這個雙部長的會商我非常的開心外交部plus文化部我們要用文化跟世界交朋友去年我們訂定了歐洲台灣文化年我昨天質詢了故宮院長 |
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部長您知道嗎故宮的這個展覽前進了在去年前進了捷克在捷克創下了三十四萬吧的觀展數 |
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美國大都會博物館到台灣的故宮展出它的觀展人次是28萬可是當台灣的故宮前進歐洲到捷克可以創造出將近35萬的觀展人次就可以看到台灣文化的實力世界都想要多了解台灣 |
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所以說步步都是文化步過去我們做了這麼多年從蔡英文總統到賴清德總統下一步就是管管都是文化管要讓文化跟外交真的能夠更深入的來接軌強強聯手下業 |
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我的四個文化外交的幾個策略善用國際的Mega Event融入政策我們已經在做了從大阪世博從巴黎奧運東京奧運我們都做得很好然後第二個深列世界遺產鎖定加入UNESCO的這個Convention謝謝我們部裡也重啟了而且不只是物質文化遺產非物質文化遺產我們也訂定了委員會積極在推動中 |
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但第三跟第四項是我今天要提出來的部長館館都是文化館目前我們恐怕力不從心因為館舍不足人力不足第四個擴大跟各國或各城市來簽訂文化的MOU來設定文化獎或是提供獎學金我們也力有未待 |
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這四支我快速的來論述很快的在管管都是文化館的部分我直接跟部長做報告全世界外銷部的駐外實齡館設有113處但是文化部有設的駐外的社組只有17處只有37個人已設的處所只有15%而我們看到集中在歐洲7處16人 |
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北美4處10人 亞太5處11人 |
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然後呢中南美洲中東非洲零處零人所以館館都是文化館我們換館也換不均下一頁剛剛是非邦交國邦交國的12個國家裡頭我們只有跟瓜地馬拉有簽訂了文化類的MOU其他的沒有設專業的人力這是有邦交國的外館喔大使館喔我認為文化部可以再精進再下一頁 |
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而這十年來我們跟各國不管是國對國或者是國家對城市或是國家對文化機構所簽訂的跨國文化MOU只有三大洲九個國家二十七個MOU而其中在歐洲當中法國就佔了十五個 |
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法國的經驗做得很好就是要copy複製所以說特定集中換寡換不均集中在特定區域特定國家我們的邦交國甚至我們最近一起努力的新南向是掛鈴的文化部門要再努力主席我再一分鐘就好謝謝所以下一頁所以我以台法文化獎正因為唯一一個國對國的文化獎 |
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29屆了到現在有52位台法文化獎的得主我們有很強的基底人才可以幫助我們跟法國而且以法國為基底跟歐洲做文化交流這樣子的台法文化獎真的可以努力的在其他國家來跟進推動真的台法文化獎謝謝大家的努力才會有 |
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前年的巴黎奧運我們那麼好的文化的展現下一頁那現在我看到兩個新的機會我們跟以色列跟印度好像都有要簽署文化合作的MOU部長知道這個事嗎有在持續推動嗎 |
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不知道來要說明一下嗎這讓我們看到就是我們延伸觸角我們跟以色列有很多經貿的合作也可以跟文化強化合作跟印度當然也可以持續在文化的工作上加強努力好最後我的結論對不起回到美國 |
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我們可以台美之間的富爾布萊特非常好一年只有三位我們可以把台灣優秀的文化工作者送到美國那麼我們能不能夠也吸引世界的文化人才到台灣我今天都把問題點到這裡我希望未來還有持續的時間跟部長來深究這個部分的精進作為結論就在下一頁 |
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我們的文化外交Mega Event組成台灣的文化國家隊做得很好繼續做我們要擴編外館的文化人力跟專業館館都是文化館現在就是最好的時機第三擴大跟各國的文化MOU的合作第四廣設台灣文化獎 |
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以及提供文化類的獎學金不管是送台灣學生出去還是吸引國際的文化人才到台灣最後一項國力有限名利無限公眾外交就是最新的文化外交最好的實踐的場域我今天的五項結論是不是不裡頭可以研議我們的外交相關的同仁三個月內擬定相關的策略來跟本席報告討論好嗎 |
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8949.48 |
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好 三個月沒問題包括其實這裡面最大的問題就是外館的那個編制中間我們實際上接到一些新加坡也好你剛才講的很多國家的都希望我們有這個文化館但是我們的原力真的不夠其實我們 |
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派出去的人力實在一個人要照顧好幾個國家對而且要做好多工作對所以我們會我們就來檢討一下這個可能在外管人力要特別在專案來處理部長可不可以來弄一個專案來督導這個部分好嗎謝謝謝謝委員那施耀也會一起來努力希望委員支持謝謝再一次請所有的文化工作者我們要挺住面對對外的文化霸權或是國會的霸凌我們為文化工作有所為有所不為大家加油謝謝 |
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好 我們謝謝吳世耀委員表達您的意見那也跟吳世耀委員特別報告因為今天早上我們請公視的前董事長胡董事長來離開是依照之前立法院三讀所通過的條文那也經總統已經有做公告 |
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我想吳委員的一些意見我們也都非常的尊重吳委員之前也都會特別表達說其他的委員所通過的法是惡法包括核管法說是惡法 |
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那不斷的在抹黑其他的同仁最後也經由賴清德總統特別的感謝在野黨的委員來通過核管法我想這個部分也希望吳委員表達自己的意見的時候是不是能夠好好的在審慎思考 |
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自己的言論不要只是抹黑其他的同仁我想這個部分也在這邊特別跟委員做一個報告謝謝您 謝謝我們下一位 |
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謝謝您我們沒有特別配合哪一位委員我們是立法院三讀通過的法令經過總統公告這個部分也跟您特別報告一下謝謝您喔 謝謝 |
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那不好意思喔因為剛剛委員可能發言有自己的意見喔那大家可能沒聽清楚再一次的跟大家特別報告那我們是立法院三讀通過的條文依法行政依法執行那也經由總統公告 |
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吳士耀委員有特別自己的言論我們予以尊重但是也多次的去抹黑其他同仁說其他同仁通過的法令是惡法包括核管法我想現場葉元之委員也在我們在通過核管法的時候被抹黑但是最後卻經由賴清德總統認證 |
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特別感謝我們在野黨委員所以不知道他所說的惡法為什麼賴清德總統會特別感謝我們那這個部分也可能要請他去查證一下那也希望我們下一位郭育群委員在質詢前來做一個宣告 |
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本日臨時提案處理我們特別改於我們的法案審查完畢後再行處理那我們有請我們的郭玉琴委員來做詢答 謝謝好 謝謝主席 有請部長有請部長 |
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部長早安那我剛剛看了一下就是今天的這個議事日程的這個會議紀錄還有出席的名單那包含財團法人公共電視文化事業基金會的董事長這個胡元輝他是在列的所以我不曉得這樣子被粗暴的請出場外這是什麼樣的一個狀況好 |
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那部長我想這個先從今天我要就是宣達的這個議題開始我想職業的尤其是在影視的職安要進到現場而不應該是停留在所謂的制度上那我想這個進到現場才是真正的落實那我想從這個2022年神仙谷的事件一直到今年的這個豆腐媽媽那當然在這個3月24號我開了一個座談會 |
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那麼包含這個神仙谷的這個熊爺的遺孀她也到場那另外呢包含這個今年我們看到的這個豆腐媽媽的這個蘇姓演員的未婚妻她也到場那當然我們知道影視局其實也非常積極的在這件事情上著力喔 |
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那3月30號議事局也邀集了各個電視的平台那麼來商討關於這個職安的一些事件這個方向其實我是給予非常的肯定但是呢因為我曾經就是不止一次的在這個文化部的這個質詢或者是在我們的這個議場的這個總質詢當中提過了那飲食產業的特性大家都非常清楚第一它場景會變再來它的腳本會改 |
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然後再來它的拍攝常常會碰到所謂的臨時調整的一個狀況但是現行我們對於所謂的這樣子的一個制度尤其是在這個安全的措施上面都還是偏向所謂的一次的申報那麼靜態的設計 |
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那當然這一年多以來我們的確真的也討論出有一些方向那麼包含就是我們的補助要點還有電視台的一個責任那另外呢我們也協請這個NCC是不是也能夠納入所謂的換照的一個評鑑那同時也來做一些討論那另外就是事前的通報指引還有第三方的機制那當然這些措施在現場能不能夠發揮作用 |
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這個才是我比較關心的這如同我剛剛所說的因為我們知道影視產業的特性跟一般的所謂的勞動的場合是完全不一樣的 |
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那我要來問就是事前通報的一個制度到底這個制度有沒有跟上這個拍攝的一個變動那4月15號我知道就是我們有特別邀集就是各個部會來研商啦對於所謂的高風險的作業的場域的一個定義包含高空啦 雪域啦 爆破啊等等這些定義已經清楚了嗎那目前何時規劃會上路這是第一個問題 |
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那再來如果現場臨時改了場景改了動作那通報能不能夠也及時的做更新還是說就像我剛說的一次通報那麼靜態的設計那我想如果不能夠動態的來做調整那麼制度其實就會在現場失效了這是第一個問題那第二個問題我們剛剛有提到就是關於補助跟違規啦就是補助跟違規的這兩個部分我們跟其他的部會有沒有包含 |
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就是我們的這個勞動部有沒有在違規記錄跟我們的文化部這邊來做一個橫向的連結跟勾結那麼當然其實我們也提到就是最高補助會停權二到三年那這個部分修正完畢了嗎何時會上路呢 |
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還有就是擴大適用補助的一個項目那麼補助的一個要點是不是目前還在修正當中那麼什麼時候會有一個更明確的進程這是第二個問題第三個問題剛剛我有提到就是我們的這個影視局有跟各個電視台那麼在我的這個四月多的這個討論會 |
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那之後那有跟電視台來做這樣子的一個配合跟溝通有沒有形成一些具體的一些規範再來因為有些電視台包含所謂的八點檔或長壽劇那麼像這種所謂的高密度的一個拍攝目前有沒有一個管理的方向這是第三個問題再來沒有拿到補助的劇組 |
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會不會等於我們也管不到也照顧不到那麼我想這個風險是整個產業並不是只有在所謂的文化部有補助的這個案件上那這個是第三個問題第四個問題我想問的是指引跟第三方就我剛剛說的 |
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這些會不會只是紙上談兵的制度這是我最關切的喔那麼當然4月26號我們也跟這個治安署還有我們的這個公安協會等等我們有包含這個災害預防的一個指引那目前這個指引什麼時候可以完成那麼重點是什麼那第三方的機制到底這第三方是誰有沒有實質的一個角色 |
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那麼有沒有確切的人力跟資源可以來支持所謂的第三方的制度那麼我再次的強調我們要確認的是不是只有在拍攝現場以外我們在紙上來做這些所謂的制度上的調整而是這些所謂的指引跟公安的一些條件跟原則我們要真正落實在就是影視的產業的一個拍攝的現場好 |
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4點 請先要感謝國務委員對治安的關心事情發生之後我跟勞動部長是直接聯絡希望剛才您講的一切東西我們都能夠把它定下來那因為你剛才講得比較細我是不是請局長給你報告進度 |
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跟委員報告剛剛提的幾個點我把最新進度跟委員報告我就不按照委員剛剛提的幾個順序就有關那個補助要點的部分我們其實這一陣子我們電影電視流行音樂的補助要點全部都一個個都在修正了就把一些罰則都提高從一到二年提高到二到三年還有包括所有的那個以後不可以得到影視局所有的補助全部都修了幾乎快完成了所以這部分 |
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那跟勞動部的這個違規的記錄有沒有橫向的勾結已經跟勞動部也有講好以後所有違反勞動法的那個所有的行政處分函通通要複製我們還有所有的協派的單位讓我們有一個共通的一個資訊可以交流因為我擔心的是如果沒有聯動那等於就是這些違規對他們來講這些法則對他們來講是無感的啦 |
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我們都溝通好了全部的處分函都會給我們再來就是ACC這部對不起跟那個電視台的經營者部分我也跟總共有11家電視台的總經理通通來了我有跟他們好好溝通因為畢竟他們是經營者 |
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主要的甲方我有跟他們溝通其實我也理解說尤其一些台八真的是很辛苦但是在職安也是非常重要那他們也都能夠配合所以但是我們是至少達成一個共識也讓他們理解最新的職安法新的修法的規定是非常嚴厲的就像局裡面的最新的提高的一個罰則也很嚴厲所以他們都理解了所以這部分是有共識所以目前電視台給的回應是他們也願意配合 |
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對然後另外指引的部分是預計在年底的時候會修好但是畢竟指引只是一個綱要式的東西所以我們局裡從去年開始我們就在編工作手冊因為工作手冊是我是希望這是用路人講都聽得懂的語言讓我們的影視業者知道怎樣才是真正維護那個治安那怎麼去避免危險這部分也是大概是今年底那個手冊今年底也可以完成 |
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第三方機制有沒有實質的一個角度第三方監督機制我們其實從去年開始我們就補助那個電影職業工會讓他們來扮演這個角度只有這個單一工會嗎這個工會是第三方機制那另外我們有另外一個演藝工會我們也跟他們溝通了就是我讓他們分工有的是在做這個 |
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第三方輔導其實屬於比較專業的部分那屬於個人的一個概念的宣導的部分我請那個演藝工會來幫忙因為他們各有所長所以這部分也請他們幫忙來宣導現階段只在宣導的這個 |
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也就是說只有在宣導的部分嗎就是說我們分兩部分法則的部分我們跟職安署有一個非常密切的合作機制那宣導的部分我們對業界的宣導因為他們畢竟要理解第一個法規到底要怎麼修正那他們知道怎樣就會違法第二個怎麼樣的可以避免然後一些食物運作上怎麼去避免那危險這些都讓他們知道 |
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那再來就是我剛剛有特別提到就是高風險的一個作業我們定義已經清楚了嗎因為4月15號我們有邀請各部會來做研商嘛那這個高風險的這些樣態有定義了嗎這個部分樣態是修法現在是職安署的修法但是接下來因為他們想知道到底他的定義是什麼所以我會在這個月我會找業界來諮詢第一線實務的人員了解知道什麼叫對讓他們理解 |
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然後隨時有最新的進度因為今天時間的關係隨時有最新的進度再麻煩書面提供給我辦公室可以嗎好那接下來部長我想談一個更根本的一些問題其實當然我也跟這個就是影視業者包含很多的這個電視台也開過會 |
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那我想他們其實非常在乎的是目前我們影視台灣的影視業碰到的一些包含他們自己本身的一些困境那我想在這個地方我想不是只有傳統的製作公司很辛苦那麼大家通常認為好像應該很賺錢的一些平台目前也是在虧損的一個狀態那我想這個整個所有的產業鏈往下轉嫁 |
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那最後影響的可能就會是製作的品質還有工作條件甚至是人才的一個流失所以我真的必須說現在我們的補助其實不是只有文化的一個政策而已而是這個產業能不能夠支撐下去的一個關鍵那我想提到的是我們的補助的制度到底有沒有對準問題也就是說我們的補助的規模跟穩定性到底夠不夠那我想我不曉得我們文化部這邊有沒有思考就是從所謂的 |
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單案的補助走向一個比較有制度化的一個支持性的一個機制讓團隊能夠長期經營而不是只有單一次性的這樣子的一個補助然後再來就是我們的補助有沒有真正用在留人的問題那我想我們的如果不是要求或者是一邊的引導其實我們會讓資源流失但最重要其實我們這個補助是需要用對地方 |
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讓資源回到人的身上那麼包含哪一些包含薪資的結構工作條件而不是只有作品的本身那另外呢願意留在台灣的一些業者有沒有更明確的一些支持的一個訊號我想影視產業不是只有在拍戲不是只有在拍戲它關係到所謂的文化的輸出還有包含就業甚至於國家的一些形象那麼如果連最基本的收入的 |
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結構都撐不住那我想我們再多的制度其實也很難落地所以我們要怎麼樣從救急走向撐產業留人才這是我第二個想要提出的部長這個部分我們怎麼樣鼓勵願意現在還留在台灣的這些影視工作者 |
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委員你剛才講的沒有錯就是說基本上那個產業一旦不行的時候最下游的所有工作者就失去工作機會那我們本身文化部有非常多的補助機制我們會一直在討論現在比較需要擺在哪個點比如說電視台過去可以拿到一些補助現在有段時間沒有我們就跟電視台討論我們支持他八點檔可以 |
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維持一個一定的程度可以養一些演員跟工作人員那這個我們已經在推了另外我們一定要完全依賴政府是沒有用所以我們就用希望把民間的資金導入這個產業所以最近文特院做的最多的就是跟幾個很大的平台包括韓國的還有我們自己的幾個大的平台建立基金大量投資 |
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台灣的這個影片還有跟國際合作因為我們一定要從這個上游來解決大家才會這個產業才會蓬勃大家的薪水工作機會才會繼續有我想這個部分其實因為範圍很大我想如果有一些比較更具體的一些方向那我們之後其實我的辦公室非常歡迎就是文化部我們相關的一些包含平台包含這個前線的這些影視工作者 |
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希望能夠再多更多的一些討論來鼓勵真正願意把產業真正把人才把內容還把文化留在台灣的這些工作者好嗎好謝謝謝謝部長好謝謝主席好謝謝我們郭育群委員的詢答我們下一位委員葉元智委員 |
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也在這邊宣告一下我們在蔡村卓委員詢答完畢以後休息十分鐘給大家休息一下主席好 麻煩請文化部長有請部長葉委員好久不見好久不見 部長手好嗎 |
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不是事前是因為手沒有我其實還沒有好但是努力讓他好多保重啦因為國家大事需要您來多多這個謝謝你的關心那個我想問一下因為公視現在董事一直沒有辦法產生其實大家都非常的擔憂啦因為為什麼當初會有公共電視法國家要編預算成立公共電視就是希望能夠製作一些優質節目中立的照顧少數族群的所以才需要由國家來來成立一個公視 |
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那公視董事在裡面又扮演很重要的角色那現在因為董事一職沒辦法產生啊早上然後甚至於那個已經依法不應該繼續擔任董事長來跑來這邊被尋這是一個很荒謬的地方那當然部長你有你的提名權那但是呢依法審查小組也有他的審查權那今天會出現八個審查委員集體請辭我覺得是一件大事 |
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那裡面有幾件事情我認為文化部應該也要尊重審查小組的地方第一個我想問一下部長今天文化部提名董事請問一下是只有提供這些審查委員書面還是也有機會能夠讓這些提名人可以跟審查委員做一個口頭說明的機會是哪一個 |
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這個委員你問到一個關鍵就是以前從來沒有過會要求被審查的這些董事面對面的被問因為我一再強調這些董事是無給職的他是沒有薪水的他是榮譽職他沒有必要被問所以第一次他們有要求 |
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第一次有要求要面對面的問我說我們做不到他只給你書面好不想謝謝我就是問這個而已今天如果說他們要審查董事他連這個董事圓的方的都不曉得你對於公事的理念是什麼你知不知道公事的目的你知不知道未來節目製播到底應該秉持什麼原則有書面的審查但是書面誰知道是不是誰幫他準備的是本人寫的還是什麼 |
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像一般的現在一般我們在立法院做其他的人事同意權除了書審之外都可以口頭來詢問這個都沒有問題的但是唯獨董事是只能書審不能口頭來做說明你當然會讓審查委員覺得很不受尊重 |
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我是不知道說這個有什麼好堅持的難道部長你不希望說也要尊重審查委員讓這個審查可以趕快通過嗎還是你只是希望審查委員幫你背書而已如果部長你真心希望董事可以趕快過的話我覺得這種沒有不合理的要求為什麼要堅持呢 |
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這個我就覺得很奇怪啊不會讓我回答就是我們第一次到第二次每一個委員都親自填他對公共電視的看法他的想法那就只有書面嘛就像今天部長你來這邊備詢你有給書面資料啊為什麼你來這邊大家也要口頭問你如果按照你的說法的話你也不用來你就給書面資料就好了啊 |
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書面跟口頭就是不一樣嘛所以我認為這就是在卡嘛你就是 你現在就是 我名單給你你要就要 不要就不要那你不要呢 我再來罵你哎呀 你害我們這個延宕啦所以胡彥輝延任都是你們的問題啦我都沒問題我覺得這我不能接受 |
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第二個 審查委員你現在有的就是很明確不適任嘛譬如說搞大罷免的也在董事名單裡面公視為什麼要編預算成立媒體因為中立啊 就提一個搞罷免的公視已經被很多人質疑說不中立了你還提一個搞罷免的董事進去那當然很可能被刷掉啊被刷掉之後 你們又卡我們的董事這到底是哪一個是因 哪一個是果啊 |
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部長 哪一個是因哪一個是果那我覺得審查委員我看到他們有一個呼籲啊他們是說其實你假設你今天要有20個委員那你可以多提幾個讓他們來挑選嗎欸 部長不要聊天了好不好 |
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因為我不太知道你講哪個是大罷免因為我在選的時候完全沒有考慮政治政黨跟專業所以你剛才講大罷免我就傻了因為我從頭到尾沒有想到這個你沒有想到那時候別人塞給你的名單是不是不是我一直覺得大家要有陰謀論不是啦部長你看嘛 |
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所以你在提名人的時候 你連他的背景都不知道你連他中不中立 有沒有搞過罷免 你都不知道那當然你就要給審查委員更多空間啊 人家在幫你把關欸可見你提名人隨便提嘛你根本連他的背景都不知道很離譜 你自己親口說出來 我想說如果你很謹慎的話 會面臨到這個狀況嗎你在提名人的時候 你自己有篩選過那些人會被刷掉嗎你連這個都不知道 |
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不然我跟你講現在因為接下來我是希望你再繼續提啦然後審查委員也趕快補啦下一次新的審查委員成立之後尊重審查委員好不好比如說口頭請他們去做個說明有什麼不能的嗎有什麼不可以嗎 |
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第二個能不能多以前我記得前幾屆的時候也有民進黨的審查委員自己提喔就是說文化部可不可以多提一些名單比如說我們今天要錄取10個那你給我個15個我有可以篩選嗎而不是說這10個過來好像我只要不通過我也沒有別的選擇然後呢不通過之後你再罵審查委員說你是不是在卡就像前面的民進黨委員也在那邊說只要不通過就是在卡是這樣子嗎那審查委員都沒有空間了 |
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那當然我有看到審查委員也有提一個呼籲啦就是說因為他們是政黨比例所形成的審查委員那部長在提名人的時候是不是也可以大家協商一下一起來推出一些比較中立的人這個我覺得部長你也可以考慮啊所以如果都不去考慮審查委員的想法就是硬幹反正就是這些人你就看要不要不要我就說你不OK |
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部長因為我跟你也我們不算深交啦但是我們也這樣互動很多次我覺得你是明理的人啦你是想做事的人你是接受的建議的人希望你可以朝剛剛那些方向剛才葉委員講到關鍵的就是行政院已經去問給立法院希望他再派八個這個八個委員產生的話我跟你保證我試著親自跟他們解釋每一個候選人的背景 |
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然後我會跟他們協調其實我一直覺得我們這個名單拿得出來他真的沒有政治背景我們可以一個一個講那十個人一個一個講他真的沒有政治背景他今天去考驗所以你剛剛一講大罷免我不曉得哪一個是欸就大罷免哪一個是我不在這邊點名啦你需要的話我私下跟你講啦好不好但是如果有的話比如說他有搞的罷免資料給你看那你承不承認你你的時候調查不當 |
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問題是 譬如作家 參加大罷免的人非常多我在每一次審查 拿他去看他說你有參加大罷免 我不給你錢 我不會這樣子沒有嘛 那個是不是自由創作跟公事董事怎麼會是統一件事情呢你要搞那麼多政黨背景的人進去 那公事根本不用成立了啊 |
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為什麼除了公視之外其他的電視台都有政黨法的規範不然就是廣電法規範黨政軍退出媒體只有公視不用就是因為要有個中立的電視台嘛結果你還提那種有政黨背景搞罷免有立場的人進去那何必要成立公視呢我覺得部長你不要再講了啦你需要知道名單我等一下提供給你啦好不好再來我跟請教一下 |
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我們電影福老金電影福老金現在每一年現在是編三億元對不對所以前一段時間有一個陽光女子合唱團因為他去大陸發行所以他的發行公司在網路上面放了一個中國台灣所以後來那時候很多人認為說你這樣傷害台灣感情啊你領我們的福老金的錢然後你到對岸去講中國台灣傷害感情那時候我看到文化部說 |
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要討論這個狀況是否要把他輔導金追回那後來狀況是應該他是會還嘛因為他有賺錢嘛對啊那請問一下部長如果他沒賺錢呢這筆錢那輔導金是怎麼處理 |
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你問得非常好我們有找全部的業界一起討論他們認為輔導金跟通路是兩件事情輔導金只有在一種情況下要還就是你有賺錢那你剛才講那個情況是所有業界都認為這兩件事情是不相干的不相干嘛所以我們剛剛開完會而且結論非常清楚就是通路跟輔導金是兩件事 |
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換言之如果他沒有賺錢因為他沒有賺錢的話即便是他在對岸做發行中國台灣輔導金也不用繳回對不對是吧 |
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其實我們的輔導金要繳回是一個蠻光榮的事情因為我們輔導金要賺錢我上次有跟你講過如果要聊天你請我喝下午茶我跟你慢慢聊我的問題就很清楚嘛我去回答啦對 所以不用嘛為什麼呢因為實際上不是只有陽光女子合唱團有這個狀況嘛其實我們的國片拍得很好如果要去對岸發行因為他們的發行商經常會用到中國台灣這個詞否則可能沒辦法發行所以大家都會面臨這個狀況 |
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如果你不把這個定義講清楚的話變成說有一些製片商他假設未來想要去對岸發行他都會考慮要不要申請輔導金所以部長你今天做這個宣示是很棒的你做這個宣示很棒然後再來我還是想要繼續問電影輔導金的問題 |
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因為我舉一個個案但是我不是針對這個個案我只是想了解你的標準比如說有一個九把刀的功夫片他國發基金又投資了一億七百萬國發基金投資應該有一個目的是要看他會不會賺錢嘛因為國發基金還是希望回收那我先姑且不論 |
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我就來請教一下電影輔導金這個功夫電影輔導金部長為什麼我今天質詢你是我們場地比較大嗎你好像都好像都沒有在聽我質詢我年紀比較大年紀比較大而且不是你都一直在跟旁邊的人聊天好不好這是一個基本的尊重好不好不是我希望他們要來答主席主席你可不可以跟部長講一下我在質詢他他好像都一直在跟旁邊的人聊天這樣 |
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我怎麼問我不是聊天我們討論不好意思部長我知道可能有資料時間暫停我會再還你時間我知道可能有一些資料在傳遞在討論在瞭解在討論因為剛才這個問題已經問過所以我就跟他們講說可能還是要請同仁在傳遞這個資料的時候還是要尊重委員正在發言當中不要打擾到而且我也希望我們可以回答這個問題剛才沒有機會答 |
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那沒關係嘛 兩位我都還沒問耶 我都還沒我的問題都還沒問耶對我很怕你不讓我答兩位看起來是很想要約下午茶但為了讓兩位都方便 待會我不會站起來你們就把下午茶的時間用在這裡招委就一起來啦 好不好沒關係就在這裡就直接詢答 不然不會站起來你們就好好詢答 一問一答待會這個傳遞資料的時候稍微尊重一下委員我會等你們 好不好 |
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那這個功夫國發基金我姑且不論但是光國片輔導金他就拿了三千五百萬我們國片輔導金一年是三億他就拿了三千五百萬換言之呢他就佔了我們一年的輔導金三億的十分之一那我不知道這部片補助這麼多錢 |
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的標準是什麼部長可以講一下什麼樣的人可以拿到那麼多錢嗎標準是什麼好你問的讓我回答就是我們不管文策院也好輔導金也好我們是成立一個評審團我們不會插手那評審團本身我們找來的時候是非常非常專業的他們在當時判斷為什麼要給他這個理由我不知道但是我猜他們是認為我們台灣的電影類型或者九寶刀過去的票房等等 |
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那我打斷你一下 第一這都是名子名高啊 都是納稅人的錢啊九把刀拍電影 錢是他在賺 名是他在出納稅人給他錢 總是要有一個原因嘛那文化部找來的評審 為什麼給文化部說不知道 我不能接受這樣的說法啦 |
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因為我們現在是在審文化部的預算這是第一第二我覺得為什麼要國片輔導金因為我們要針對一些可能導演他有潛力他未來會紅但是他因為一開始知名度不高可能在市場上募資不容易電影拍不下去所以國片輔導他理論上應該是這樣九把刀這個電影它總共 |
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全部募資兩億六千五百萬結果呢 光國發基金加上輔導金給他的錢就佔了一億五千多萬快佔一半啦這部片國家需要投資這麼多錢給他嗎他已經這麼紅了捏他過去很多電影會看過啊 都拍得很好啊已經是很紅的導演了啊他還需要輔導金給這麼多錢嗎是為什麼 |
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標準是什麼?你難道不應該把扶好金用在很多他可能新銳導演他也許沒有那麼大的名氣但是他只要你扶一把他就可以很棒的這些導演身上嗎?為什麼一個已經這麼紅的導演可以拿到那麼多錢?到底標準是什麼? |
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你不要推給評審因為這個錢是編在文化部裡面這都是納稅人的錢你讓我回答一下通常輔導其實是輔導兩種結果一個就是他可以非常的善業一個是非常的藝術然後第一次第一桶金所以我們台灣的輔導金已經是全世界最容易給到第一部電影導演的機會這個也可以比較 |
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在台灣想要拍第一部電影的年輕導演很容易拿到我們的輔導金那九把刀這個狀況就屬於第二種商業的那文策院是只投資會回收的商業就是國發基金嘛我現在是針對輔導金嘛我針對輔導金輔導金不是做投資啦 |
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輔導金不是做投資投資就是國發基金我們分開來看輔導金就是輔導為什麼要輔導就是他需要輔導才要輔導不是說我覺得你會紅會回收所以我給你錢不是這樣嘛 |
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輔導軍其實有個風險就是你給他 他拍不成你給他錢 他拍不成所以我們在整他輔導軍所以你還是要篩選啊你還是要篩選但是他主要的目的是他不錯 他拍得成但是他因為不夠紅 不夠有名所以我來輔導他給他一臂之力嘛是這樣嘛 |
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光國發基金就拿一億多可現在國發基金就認為他會賺嘛這時候福島青在井上添花給了他三億裡面的十分之一我覺得部長你們這樣子做我覺得大家不能接受請你去檢討一下福島青的制度好不好因為我們現在要審預算了 |
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好不好 請你解釋因為今天你來一副就是我都不知道然後還有旁邊的人一直跟你聊天然後還推給評審那你的預算我們接下來怎麼審下去好不好 我先預告了這個事情在審預算的時候請你做一個比較明確的說明可以嗎可以好不好 還有我再預告另外一個我請那個小編幫我播一下因為剛剛我有聽說有播啦但是還是要來問一下就是所謂的補助音樂好不好 那個助理幫我播一下 |
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這個文字的部分 部長可以看一下部長 這個 這個是哪一個 文化部的哪一位師輔助的師長嗎好 你唸一下這歌詞好不好 歌詞就出來你唸一下 |
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因為是你們補助的優良歌曲啊你唸一下因為不是在他任內沒有沒有你們文化部補助的優良歌曲你唸一下歌詞沒有沒有你繼續播因為他是女生喔他是女生你叫他唸這個歌是不太好那請問一下你們補助補助不就是優良文化嗎不然咧 |
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那部長 那男生你唸一下女生不能唸 你唸女生男生女生喔老闆 你唸嘛不是 我不願意唸怎麼會有一首歌文化部補助的歌文化部部長唸不出來因為內容涉及到性侵某小孩但是卻可以得到文化部的補助我要插狗的插眼請問一下 為什麼補助這首歌 部長 |
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因為不是你嘛 但是因為這個議題已經之前有燒過了請你有去了解為什麼要補助這首歌嗎要推廣什麼文化 跟毛小孩關係的文化嗎那別人另外寫一首歌啊 我要插貓的什麼可以嗎這一點我們來檢討 未來我們的評審我們的領域可以多一點領域有多到這麼領域嗎多到這麼寬喔 性侵毛小孩補助 |
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你一定要講這個內容跟我們整個當年要輔導地下樂團每一次給很多團 後來有很多團得到金曲獎他是整個事情你們一直要講這首歌我覺得他會抹滅了我們當年在2019年 2018年所制定的補助音樂獨立團的好意因為大家一直講這首歌 |
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部長你不要以偏概全喔我們很肯定你輔導地下樂團其他我們都沒講啊但是這首歌為什麼會拿到錢當然大家會覺得奇怪啊你如果覺得你剛剛自己也承諾了嘛就是說這個可以檢討那你就以後就定一個標準出來嘛但沒有人否定文化部做的事情我覺得不要用扣帽子的方式我們今天都就事論事這首歌拿出來就是因為他太誇張了嘛但是他居然拿到文化部的錢啊 |
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部長你說你願意檢討其實這樣就夠了所以希望以後你在不管是剛剛講的電影輔導的補助或是歌曲的補助可以有一個具體的標準我覺得納稅人關心的是這件事情他的錢有沒有補助到新青毛小孩 |
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那所以我的錢為什麼要補這首歌所以我又不當然要出來說明啊但沒有人去抹滅你們其他的貢獻這兩件事好不好部長不要這樣子那這個你今天我相信因為你可能比較沒有來啦就是之前手受傷嘛省預算的時候你在我相信還會有人問你啦那你再跟我們講一個比較詳細的好不好這樣應該算很OK了吧OK好不好所以你也不要扣我們帽子好不好不會好不好OK好謝謝謝謝部長 |
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好 謝謝我們葉委員的詢答 部長請回剛剛一度有點激烈 但是回歸平常心 要不然下午茶就告吹了好 我們下一位蔡春籌委員 |
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主席好 還有所有的同仁大家好有請李部長有請部長蔡委員好部長好 |
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還沒有開始之前,我先跟文化部說明本席一直都是支持文化工作,也支持台灣文化走向國際更支持文化部大力推動地方創生、文化觀光、運動文化還有宗教文化 |
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首先我要來請教部長在文化部的國家希望工程裡面特別強調要建構地方文化區域的一個治理在文化部的預算編列當中我有看到打造永續共好地方創生的計畫 |
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總共分成四年來辦理但是在你們書面的一個報告當中提到了115年度的一個預算案編列的情形在地方創生的計畫裡面卻減列了4900多萬元在這裡要請問部長這個預算減列是否是代表推動地方創生的一個力道甚至是政策有所調整嗎 |
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請那個司長答一下 因為照理說我們不是這個意思我想地方創生其實他都需要長時間一個輔導申案所以其實預算的檢驗並不是因為我們要推動地方創生力道會有所調整一樣會繼續推動地方創生的一個政策 沒有改變只是因為他每年所需要的一個預算的需求不一樣因為他案子的申請都需要一點時間 |
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那是因為案子變少了 是嗎不是 其實我們有轉化到其他一樣是地方創生的單位譬如說我們開始推百大文化基地那那個是有過去沒有的那我們的經費就撥到這邊去所以剛才有特別講說不是因為地方創生不重要是我們因為我們加強我們的力道 |
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所以移到百大這個地方來它也還是地方創生是不是能夠提供在這八年裡面文化部都在推動地方創生有沒有一些成功的案例來做一個說明 |
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百大是結合地方文化的特色,還有經濟跟觀光潛力的基地 |
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打造百大文化基地的計畫 會不會跟打造永續共好地方創生的計畫這兩個計畫會不會重疊 在經會上會不會重疊不會 因為其實我們打造百大文化基地的這個計畫不會去影響到原來這些打造永續共好地方創生 不會影響 |
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所以這是平行線而且它會 等於說地方上會拿到更多的錢那因為我們知道我們地方創生它是一個多部會的一個跨域的一個政策所以一個地方創生它可能會申請到不同的部會的一些申請的一個經費那我們在這裡就是要 |
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也是要極力來推動這個地方創生我們也希望說在百大基地是世界認識台灣的另一道門窗那是台灣爭取國際觀光的一個重要的一個利基在了解台灣從文化基地的開始前部長你能夠也是一樣要用百大 |
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文化基地能夠擠出成功的一個案或是說在評鑑的過程裡面它是值得提出來跟讓我們全國所有的地方創生來做一個模範然後來學習的有沒有或者還是很多要用書面的還是在這裡專門 |
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因為我們是每兩年一次然後第一屆的百大基地差不多剛好一年結束我們也開始做問卷調查然後最近我們會開一個對外宣布的第二屆的百大文化基地所以我們用書面給委員報告一下我們自從辦百大文化基地之後 |
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哪一些基地因為我們這個活動而更成功或者有刺激他更多的想法因為這個百大文化基地其實不是我們只有文化部在做我們是結合每一個縣市的文化局我們給他經費然後他幫我們一起大家共中央跟地方一起來做所以他算是蠻成功的啦 |
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那能不能再說明有哪個基點是值得部長你稍微在這裡說介紹一下這百大的有幾個基點就是說它特別什麼它在這一個點裡面它有很特別的部長以你的印象像雲林的話就有個琉璃社區 |
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什麼 花蓮 對不起雲林是西螺大橋在西螺 螺陽我跟委員報告啦如果以台南來講一個大級藝術聚落台南 是台南台南觀點有一個大級聚落它其實是一個老年人口非常偏高幾乎只剩下100多人的一個住戶 |
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然後因為一個碩士生在台南藝術大學畢業之後他在那邊把重新一些方位的老房子把它變成一個兒童的遊戲島那因為這樣的一個重新的營造打造讓很多遊客進入到一個偏鄉的一個部落讓那一個村莊重新有了一個新的生命力那這個已經都有非常成功的一個商業模式在運作我想這是百大基地事後文化部認證之後它又接到更多的一個商業團體來戰訪我想這是一個非常成功的一個案例 |
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所以這裡已經有企業投入了是嗎你剛剛講這一個部落就已經有企業投入他算是一個很成功的一個地方創生的案例然後也活化了一些老屋或是他的就一個在地的文化活化他然後有企業投入到這個地方創生裡面來是嗎 |
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像西螺羅陽文化基金會他還把西螺老街很多老房子重新火化然後也引入地方創生的相關一些經費然後經過一些重新的改造這也是非常成功一個老街再生的案例那就是所謂的在地信仰跟傳統公益這裡都有融入到剛剛講的這些部落是不是 |
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其實雲林就包括有布袋戲館還有雲林故事館還有剛剛講的西螺生態博物館我們都去現場看過都覺得它是一個最典型的從一個很小的單位越做越大後來連老街的富裕還有西螺大橋周邊 |
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這是一個最好的例子很感謝部長部長親自可以來做說明就表示部長你有投入因為之前我在問地方創生的一些部會還沒有辦法點出 |
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幾個亮點出來在這裡肯定我們部長有投入我們希望文化部跟交通部能夠緊密來推動推動台灣觀光邁向2030年的一個方案整合百大文化基地然後能夠發展觀光亮點後續應該要追蹤跨部會的實際執行的一個情況跟地方的一個發展還有有助於落實 |
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是北渡的一個文化觀光的品牌在這裡我就要跟部長來分享一下迎臨北港看到最美的風景應該就是宗教跟傳統工藝文化部過去也一直在強調無形文化資產的一個傳承還有地方上的一些榮奉師還有議政還有精湛的一個傳統工藝 |
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部長你知道這個禮拜對北港來講是一個很特別的日子不知道部長你了不了解這個禮拜對北港來說它是一個很特別的日子部長 |
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馬祖生日這個是在我們文化部裡面的一個無閒資產裡面是一個重要的民俗節日在這裡我要跟部長分享就是說其實我們一直都在強調文化外交 |
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那在這裡呢 我們常常在講 媽祖文化 山葉 山葉消媽祖在整個山葉呢 其實有很多廟會 或者是說有一些媽祖郎道譬如說從白沙屯媽祖 徒步到北港 大甲媽祖那包括現在這個禮拜的北港營媽祖 這都是我們台灣 |
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媽祖宗教文化很特別的很特殊的一個文化在這裡應該要跟部長就是說我們一直要打造國際化事實上這個媽祖文化就可以 |
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發揚到國外去然後吸引很多國外的旅客能夠來到台灣來真正體驗體驗這樣的一個文化在這裡不知道部長你有沒有同意這樣的一個政策我非常同意因為台灣的媽祖信仰是我們所有的文化裡面最容易推到國際的這點我非常承認 |
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那就是說部長你有沒有什麼策略我的策略就是因為它這個涉及到這個宮廟的管理是內政部其實我們文化部有想過在我們的基地裡面如何跟這些比如說剛才講大甲媽祖 北港朝天宮白沙屯媽祖其實我們用文化的角度去跟他結合的時候他其實有一點點困難是因為他本身 |
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的那個宗教的力量很大我們很希望透過這個宗教力量也把它擺進一些文化活動這邊我想我們去找內政部來一起努力看看這個不只是跟內政部啦必須還要是跟交通部觀光署嘛我們就是要把這個能夠把台灣的一個媽祖文化很特殊的文化推到國際嘛那這個 |
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可能就是要跨部會的來整合然後來推動包括昨天跟那個故宮也是一樣啊故宮的一個國寶跟我們目前的一個媽祖文化其實它就是一個台灣雙引擎的一個觀光 |
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觀光的軟實力我們應該要極力的把它推動出去推到國際化去我們希望我們能夠未來能夠做這樣子事實上我們台灣的一個觀光尤其是吸引外國人來到我們台灣這樣的一個成績一直都是 |
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都有成長的空間我們也希望說台灣能夠能見度在國際上的能見度能夠更好讓國際上看到台灣的一些軟實力然後促進我們的一個文化文化的一個外交 |
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希望我們有這樣的一個文化的外交讓我們一起來推動它最後我要跟部長來談有關於運動文化我們希望運動文化 |
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運動文化是結合創意開拓青年的一個文化新南海接下來我們就來看看文化部跟運動部其實事實上之前有跟部長提過雙百萬的一個運動漫畫的一個徵稿這是一個很好的開始我們迎臨的是體育大線我們也有很多的優秀運動員也有很豐富的一個 |
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文化故事同時也有許多文化活動把它轉變成一個運動賽事在許多運動賽事裡面就變成一個文化活動 |
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比如說我們北港就辦一個馬拉松比賽在這個馬拉松比賽裡面我們就導入文化進去媽祖的文化進去讓我們的運動選手來這個地方觀光順便來體驗這樣的一個文化我們希望說未來能夠開發出運動的一個IP適合來考量能夠發揮加成的一個效果 |
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委員這一點我覺得我們文化部已經在試著做像昨天我們在台南安南區有一個展覽我就是跟李洋部長一起去就是在一個具有文化價值的台灣歷史博物館展出亞洲運動的歷史紀錄那附近剛好亞太運動中心也成立 |
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那就是我未來很想跟把運動成為文化內容的一部分剛剛委員講那個是非常好我想我們將來就會加強運動成為文化內容這個部分好謝謝部長這個也是我的我自己對我自己的一個啟齊啦來到立法院我也希望把文化跟運動結合起來做運動文化那事實上呢本來運動跟文化就是結合的那 |
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在115年的一個預算當中對地方藝文一個場館的一個深耕那這個預算也賓了4.9億元然後我們希望文化部能夠針對像盈林這樣既有宗教 |
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地標還有運動熱情的地方能夠優先來支持藝文場館的一個轉型文化創生創作平台讓場館不只是看到展覽的一個地方而是宗教共育師在運動文化推廣與青年創業可以互相交的一個基地譬如說像我們北港的糖廠未來那些倉庫 |
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快要完工了我們希望我們文化部能夠注入把一些藝術家能夠注入到這個廠房的這個場域來讓我們這樣的地方的一個特色加上文化藝術能夠結合起來 |
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其實雲林非常能夠代表台灣我去過雲林非常多次去看到很多地方都是有地方創生包括宗教包括布袋戲館所以文化部其實投在雲林非常多的文化設施跟補助這個我們一起來努力 |
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因為雲林縣不只是農業大縣也是文化的一個之都啦真的要來講也不輸台南啦所以我們也一起就來打造雲林的一個文化之都那最後呢 |
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要跟部長分享就是宗教是我們共同的過去那運動也是我們當下要努力的那青年是我們全部的未來那麼我們希望文化部能夠透過這三者的一個結合讓文化補助不再只是撒錢而是真正為地方注入靈魂讓年輕人在一個宗教的庇佑之下 |
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運動活力中能夠找回到回家的路這才是真正的一個驚恨台灣最後我還是要跟部長說文化部115年的一個售出預算交114年度的預算增加了17億3000多萬元 |
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那在這裡呢本席對於必要的預算原則上一定是支持但每一筆預算都是人民的納稅錢那本席在這裡有責任不只是本席立法委員都有責任來監督預算是否合理應用是否達成獲取軟實力跟打造國家品牌為目標我們希望部長你能夠 |
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了解我們的監督是我們的天子是是是那部長你們把文化所有的台灣的文化如何去發揚那是你們的責任這樣子以上跟部長分享謝謝謝謝委員的指導謝謝好 謝謝我們蔡委員的詢答我們現在休息十分鐘 |
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鸡蛋糕 |
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謝謝大家 |
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一二 |
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鞭筍 |
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那個不錯,我們沒有那個狀態是吧?不知道,因為那時候之前幾號是五點才打的這個就錯了,這個就錯了 |
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謝謝大家 |
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我先喝一口先喝一口 |
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謝謝大家的收看 |
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這是彩色的那一種 彩色的那一種對 它不是就像那種 剛剛那個的那一種因為我會按到很長時間 彩色的那一種不是那一種 長的那種 |
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你自己嗎?但是你這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣對,我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你會這樣你現在才是這個版本對,我會這樣我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到你會這樣但是你現在才是這個版本我沒有想像到 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好現在開會我們有請下一位陳秀寶委員的欣答現主席請文化部理部長有請部長 |
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陳委員你好部長好部長近期這個所謂的這個惠台十項措施這個民眾的討論度是很高那還有我們台灣的影視作品前往中國卻被冠上中國台灣這樣的字樣其實對民眾來講他們會覺得非常的不公平也是非常的不尊重 |
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其實齁 我們 |
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中國大陸來台灣的影視人員今年就有三百多件申請來了上千人所以它不是一個特殊的案例只要在對等尊嚴跟不戴條件下我們尊重所有中國大陸的影視人員申請到符合程序下來台灣一點問題都沒有 |
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謝謝部長您的回答部長您在受訪的時候也有提到說台灣的影視作品呢到中國發展的一個困境就是說這些文宣會掌握在有關中國官方色彩的公司手上那部長您也說你們會與這個有跟中國互動過的這些業者來討論如何因應那請問到現在你們有什麼結論或是說有怎樣的成果嗎 |
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有其實我們跟所有的曾經去過中國大陸的那些業者討論他們很期待就是輔導金跟這個通路要脫鉤就是我們輔導金的精神就是輔導我們台灣的影視人員拍片如果有賺錢就還給我們沒有賺錢不用還但是我們會希望通路多一點所以我們不會阻止我們的影視人員要把影片送到中國去反而是中國 |
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這幾年來用這個審查的方法讓台灣電影過不去就算過去了也會發生很多糾紛那這點我們跟影視工作者都有溝通就是他如果要自己決定過去我們就跟他講有各種各種問題但是我 |
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從頭到尾我都不太忍心去譴責那個想要去中國大陸拿到一點票房的工作者因為他對一個電影工作者來講一個業者來講他當然都希望多一點通路那我不會譴責他們我這件事情從頭到尾譴責是中國大陸方面的用網路的操作而且一次一次你非常明顯看到他要造成台灣的對立 |
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其實對於所有的影視工作者來講他們一定希望自己的作品有更多人肯定跟支持所以現在遇到這樣的狀況我想請教如果說要申請文化的補助或投資但是又面對中國這樣惡劣的統戰的手法等同是要變相的放棄中國市場嗎? |
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應該這樣說其實我們台灣的影視跟中國大陸打交道很久了以前包括兩邊合拍然後有的票完好有的票完不好現在我跟所有台灣影視工作者聊天開會的結果他說他們基本上已經抱著這部影片從拍完到上片都沒有中國 |
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電影的市場還要賺回才能夠回本的這個心態因為他如果把中國電影市場算到他的收入的話那是非常危險的所以你也可以看到這幾年來台灣的電影走到國際上去然後努力的回本然後其實台灣電影從去年到今年的票房是非常好的譬如說我舉個例子今年1月到3月台灣的票房 |
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台灣電影的票房已經超過去年一整年的雖然是因為有一部拍得有一部比較高可是大部分都比去年高所以你可以從政府的政策也好業者的配合也好台灣電影靠自己票房慢慢起來已經成為一個趨勢這點我是覺得感謝所有台灣電影工作者 |
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謝謝部長其實昨天故宮的詢問本席也用一樣的問題來詢問其實我們文化交流、影視交流很常被拿來當作政治籌碼影視文化常常成為政治話題但是究竟是說我們要選擇放棄中國市場這一塊還是有不同因應方式當然部長您剛才所說的說希望跟這相關的公司來討論我們應該就是立足台灣放眼世界不要把中國大陸這個市場先放進去我們的考量 |
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但是文化部應該也要更明確的定調其實光是看他們所謂的會台措施他們說要推動有利於展現美好生活的影視作品要引進什麼導向正確、內容健康、製作精雅的戲劇在他們的頻道平台播放但是拿著我們精心製作的作品被他們灌上中國、台灣這簡直是詐騙嘛這個沒有對等的尊重 |
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那我想我們文化部這邊給這些相關的影視業者他們在發展的時候我們給他們這些態度跟立場也是很重要的 |
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其實我們文化部對於影視的從上游到下游的補助其實非常完備今天台灣電影還能夠維持有一定的產量就是因為文化部從頭到尾加上文策院投資加補助才能夠維持目前這個狀態那我覺得台灣電影也蠻爭氣的在這段時間慢慢也發展出 |
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某種類型的這個類型只有台灣會拍的這種類型具有競爭力的事實上台灣跟中國大陸比較最近中國大陸的市場票房是不好的那我們台灣有些工作人員直接去中國大陸去拍片幫他們拍都賣得非常好所以你可以看出來台灣電影工作者是非常優秀的今天我們文化部的工作就是要給他們一個更好的環境就可以維持他們在台灣拍片 |
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其實您剛剛提到說我們這邊的工作相關的隱居的工作者到中國大陸去拍片其實我想我們相關的我們整個的育成的過程我們相關人員的素養素質也是國際所肯定的 |
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有新聞指出中國文化滲透現在有新的模式就在我們國內有跟中國關係密切的媒體他們透過辦理網紅競賽來接觸這些網紅之後再透過網紅來撰寫介紹中國旅遊節目的這些相關的貼文在社群平台大量的曝光創造流量 |
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那這些網紅過去中國城市就是會有他們形象包裝就是說美食啊旅遊較為輕鬆生活很愜意悠閒這樣的輕鬆日常呈現給民眾這種去政治化的包裝去片面的這個訊息呢他融入所謂台灣兩岸一家親這樣的敘事手段讓我們的民眾呢他對中國產生嚮往羨慕 |
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以為說他們的生活就是這麼輕鬆愜意跟悠閒那目前媒體這樣大量的這個社群媒體的曝光手段來做這樣的文化滲透我們文化部你們有什麼因應呢 |
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老實講 我還沒想到怎麼贏因為中國透過各種方式部長 這些片面呈現的中國節目其實完全沒有提到中國現在面對的問題不管是他們的高失業率 他們低薪 爛尾樓還有一些很不人道的一些狀況像新疆現在這些再教育營就是等於現代的集中營這些都是國際媒體都有一再報導過的 |
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那這些真實的這些真相才是我們對中國應該有的全面的認識那文化部對這些這樣惡劣的手法文化滲透其實責無旁貸我覺得部長您應該去思考說來研議推動一些政策製播一些相關的節目來讓民眾對中國有更全面的認知我現在想要請教一下公視我們胡圓會董事長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
13565.965 |
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我們是不是可以我們公視來製作這樣的節目透過媒體對中國現況有真實的報導讓我們的民眾可以了解說不是只有網紅直播的節目是看起來表面的是這種表面訊息被迷惑被詐騙其實作為一個公共公共廣播集團是真的是我想請公共電視胡元輝董事長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
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謝謝我們的陳秀寶委員提出這樣子的意見也跟陳秀寶委員特別報告早上已經有宣告我們依法行政依法執行主席請尊重我的執行權這一份列席名單是您同意的上面也有胡元輝董事長 |
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那為什麼我現在有公視相關的業務我想知道我們現在公共電視台是不是能直播這樣子正確正向的節目給民眾跟委員特別報告一下沒有所謂主席有同意這一份名單那這個部分我有在早上一併的宣告所以也跟您特別報告一下不是 這個練習的名單不是您同意的嗎跟委員特別報告早上已經有做一個宣告了 |
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那所以 早上的宣告已經開始是依法執行 依法處理我有執行權 我現在需要了解公共電視台他現在的業務狀況 而且對於這樣子的節目他們有什麼規劃我有這個需要請胡元輝董事長來備詢謝謝委員 早上已經有已並宣告那這一份名單 您怎麼說當初要列席的時候 這個名單是您同意的為什麼現在名單有 人不在場 |
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我們是不是請議事組來回答一下報告委員會這個名單是部會報過來的然後我們是提供給會場作為參考用那當初部會報過來的時候主席你有表達說是不同意的嗎你有表達說他不能在這個列席的名單裡面嗎 |
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跟委員特別報告剛剛我想祖密有特別說明這是參考名單我並沒有同意或者是有做任何的詢問來讓我知道這份名單出席的人員所以在這邊特別由我們的祖密來做一個解釋 |
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我現在所質詢的議題我需要公共電視台的胡元輝董事長來回答我所詢問的問題我現在要求要有他在場我想要了解的這個業務概況請尊重我的質詢權啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13750.039 |
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不好意思因為剛剛委員可能有一些誤解然後有特別說我有同意這份名單那是不是剛剛已經主秘有跟您報告了我並沒有做同意的一個動作那以公共電視台現在的運作來講他不是沒有董事長的根據這些相關的規範在新的人員還沒有任命之前他也還是董事長 |
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所以我希望主席您能尊重我的質詢權我需要公共電視台胡元慧董事長在場備詢謝謝委員委員當時您也可以在現場我們希望委員能夠理性的來表達 |
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| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
13790.756 |
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委員早上我們九點開會的時候您為什麼不在現場呢您可以在現場表達您的程序發言可以在那邊表達您的現場的一些意見那因為您剛好沒有在現場可能委員不太知道現場的狀況 |
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| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
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那委員可能在繁忙當中沒有來到我們的委員會來出席開會所以我希望委員可能要先釐清一下你過往現在是不是應該要了解整個程序的發生過程而不要只是說 |
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這個時間點有委員正在質詢您在下面發言是不是要麻煩您請坐下請尊重委員現在正在講話請您先坐下我才可以繼續來主持下面的會議請您先坐下好嗎謝謝您已經 |
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| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
影響到了我們在處理議事的程序那您在這邊不斷的發言可能會讓委員在持續的等待 |
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主席請您尊重我質詢的需求一定要尊重委員的需求一定要尊重委員的說法但是委員剛剛有稍微不太了解狀況有說我有同意這一個名單所以剛剛有請主秘以現在公共電視台的狀況以現在公共電視台的狀況我需要公共電視台的董事長胡元輝董事長在場備詢我做這樣的要求 |
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希望能夠尊重主席的一個才事早上我已經有做一個宣告但是您是基於什麼而不讓他在場先請離席了那早上可能委員您也不在現場也可能要麻煩委員就是說早上我們已經有宣告基於立法院三讀通過的法令 |
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那已經總統都有公佈那所以是不是應該要執行相關的法律那我請 依法行政 請問主席依法執行 現在公共電視台 寶貝酒店也跟委員還請您能夠尊重主席的一個才事請問主席 現在公共電視台 |
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所以我說如果委員有意見我們都非常非常的樂見委員是不是能夠早上9點準時出席參與整個會議的過程能夠來用上這一刻程序發言來表達您的意見請您回答我現在公共電視台的董事長是誰 |
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我想這個部分還是要請委員能夠尊重啦我請問您現在公共電視台的董事長是誰 |
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我想一切都是依法行政三讀通過的法令總統都已經公告了所以我們希望您能夠證明這個部分應該要有一個好好的溝通的機會早上您應該程序發言的時候就表達您的意見我們不知道主席您會這麼粗暴地把董事長趕走啊 |
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14006.534 |
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我想每一個委員都有你自己發言的權利早上九點的時候我想其他的委員有這樣子的一個疑慮當時我已經做了才是也希望現在委員能夠繼續您的發言那我請問主席現在誰能代表公共電視台董事長這個職務來備詢我們還是要麻煩委員如果您覺得還是有疑慮的話我們可以休息五分鐘再釐清一下休息 |
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請暫停我的時間可以嗎可以那這個部分我們待會就休息五分鐘來釐清一下我的時間保留喔我後面還有時間喔我還有一分零六秒喔請保留我的時間欸對不起我不會給你一分零六秒我會給你更多的時間你想要講都沒關係我會尊重委員的發言所以委員您絕對不會有一分零六秒而已還會有更多的時間給你 |
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他要求要1分06秒是嗎不好意思不好意思現在是我在跟他對話還是請問一下委員您正在影響我主持會議我現在正在跟他對答 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
那主席 主席您說現在先暫停五分鐘那請您先宣告先暫停五分鐘 休息五分鐘正在要準備宣告您不是說要宣告休息五分鐘是對等您宣告委員還在發言等您宣告委員我可以發言了嗎沒有 因為您好像有一些意見我一定要尊重您的發言嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
14117.854 |
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是啊是啊是是謝謝委員的建議我們依法行政依法處理那既然已經三讀通過那總統已經公告我要尊重總統公告是是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
也要跟委員特別委員有疑問我們就要回答委員的疑問謝謝委員您所提出來的要求我們都尊重也希望委員能夠尊重主席已經才是了 |
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您是 我現在可以準備繼續回應他了嗎還是我要繼續跟您對話不是 我要先跟您請教一下我要跟您繼續對話還是我可以先回應那個秀寶委員他的一個需求了沒有 因為您在影響主持會議的過程所以我還是想說謝謝您 謝謝 謝謝您的建議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14200.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我們讓委員繼續發言沒關係 |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
所以主席您現在怎麼處理我現在在等委員發言完畢你繼續說沒關係不好意思因為他還沒有結束質詢那您剛說要宣告休息五分鐘啊報告秀寶委員我要準備休息五分鐘那因為不斷有委員正在干擾我的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
整個主持會議的過程所以我還是想說等他一下不好意思宣布休息的部分是我在詢問委員是否同意就是因為你們配合你們政黨不依法屬於不讓公司董事長在現場參與今天的備詢竟然到我們立委的諮詢權 |
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14284.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
跟委員特別報告我們是配合三讀通過的法令然後三讀已經總統有做相關的一個公佈謝謝委員委員發言完畢了謝謝您 |
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| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
14299.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
那請問一下秀寶委員不好意思因為剛剛有委員一直在主持干擾我的主持那主席現在呢 您怎麼處理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
14333.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
跟修保委員特別報告想說待會是不是經由您的同意來休息五分鐘休息五分鐘可以啊我同意啦那在準備宣告休息五分鐘之前也再一次的跟委員特別報告剛剛因為您有誤解說這個名單我有同意那經過祖密跟您報告以後可以接受嗎 |
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14335.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
14351.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
您先宣告休息我覺得這個慢慢再討論你這樣子我沒有辦法跟你說我能不能接受我是不能接受的不能接受但是也希望說由祖密跟您特別報告以後不要有誤解我們沒有做相關的一個同意謝謝好我們宣布休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
14366.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14384.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
我想請問關於公視其他官員,誰能代表公視的代表?請問關於公視的代表? |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
14389.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14391.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
現在新的董事長還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
14418.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
这种感觉比较好喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
14429.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14432.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
今天我們教育會員 請教育會員請教育會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
14462.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
14463.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
對啊 所以他們聽不到 |
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14495.662 |
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蜜桃 |
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14518.473 |
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好嘞 |
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鸡蛋 |
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14591.101 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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14623.394 |
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14623.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
這裏是大廈 |
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主席我可以繼續我的時間嗎可以可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
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14722.027 |
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因為剛剛吳麗華召委有問有跟我說要要提案的部分對您是要直接給我還是您要發言快要好了好另外我請在我的時間開始之前我有個關於議事的程序的問題我要請教主席我們今天 |
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我們的討論四項裡面也是有一個第四項審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管及文化發展基金附屬單位預算案這裡面包括公視的業務公視的預算如果董事長不在請問相關的審查的程序如何進行 |
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14750.66 |
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跟委員特別報告一下我們是不是剛剛文化部的窗口有特別說明包括公視有客家台的台長還有基金會的正主任以及文化事業基金會的經理台語台的旅台長以及執行長何國輝台灣PASS |
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想另外再請問一下剛剛好像有窗口有特別提到公視的總經理是不是也在現場他有舉手那不是吧不好意思 |
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他剛剛有舉手所以我跟委員一併報告就是說剛剛他有舉手但是要不要您要請他來做一個詢打的部分還是要尊重委員您來決定如果您尊重我我需要胡元輝董事長被選 |
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我非常尊重委員但是因為早上已經有做一個裁示了所以也希望委員能夠尊重主席的裁示那目前我們現在是依據三讀通過的法令而且行政院並沒有 |
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主席我還是要說今天我們教文委員會是文化部來報告他整個預算編列的狀況所有教文委員會的委員都沒有料想到說主席您會用這種方式將公視的胡元慧董事長趕走所以您說您在會議開始有做這樣的宣告但是這是一個 |
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您用很難以想像的粗暴的手段趕走他的我們所有的委員都措手不及不知道您會做出一個這樣意料之外的舉動 |
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| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
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那我還是要再次強調我希望您能尊重委員們的質詢權其實不只是我接下來的配議委員立法委員在質詢的時候都會需要公視胡元輝董事長來答詢那您就這樣剝奪了我們的質詢權我們覺得非常的不公平也沒有辦法接受謝謝委員的發言那剛剛也跟委員特別報告 |
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文化部這個部分他們有提供一些名單主席我們現在有個提案今天的議程是審查115年度中央政治整一算有關文化部文化發展基金及附屬單位的預算案公視董事長胡元輝有責任到立法院被尋我要求教育文化委員會請胡元輝董事長列席被尋然後我們提案人我們都簽名了我跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14940.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14944.236 |
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吳佩奕 吳立華 我們都提了 我們都已經連署了現場有人反對嗎 沒有我們都是同意的謝謝委員委員有提案這個部分我們一定尊重但是也跟委員特別報告 不好意思因為早上我也才是已經宣告提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
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14975.432 |
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委員您發言完了嗎發言完了 請您處理不好意思 修法委員我現在正在問配議委員 您不是他您不要拖時間他剛剛干擾我主持會議 請問 |
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不好意思委員可能不太了解現在主持會議的一個過程現在程序的部分不在這裡程序發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
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15035.496 |
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委員可能不太了解主持會議的一個過程程序發言不在這個時候可以提出早上九點的時候您可能沒有辦法可能在忙沒有辦法來到委員會來做一個詢答早上程序發言的時候您可能不在早上做主席我要求您現在處理我們的提案好 |
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這邊跟秀堡委員特別報告一下因為早上有財事第一個我們臨時提案的收件時間截止那第二個我另外有第二份的財事就是在整個我看一下這不是臨時提案耶我們不是在鬧請尊重我們的執行權 |
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15069.444 |
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這不是臨時提案這是程序跟委員特別報告這不是臨時提案這是會議提案我們今天有第二份宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
15080.509 |
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15097.194 |
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本日的處理時間改於法案審查完畢後再行處理這不是臨時提案這是會議提案還是要請我們的委員盡可能的待在委員會參與全程就不會遺漏到每一個的宣告 |
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15099.329 |
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15118.545 |
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那另外因為要處理主席 這是會議提案因為要處理秀堡委員的一個權益所以也跟秀堡委員特別報告委員提問的問題可以請公視的相關機關代表來做備詢我要求胡元輝董事長在場不好意思有跟您回答 |
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您不能剝奪我的質詢權啊提案的部分我剛剛講了今天我們教文委員會排定了今天是文化部的預算編列報告我們所有教文委員會的委員都有這個權利我們要質詢我們要了解相關的業務那我們也準備了很多要來了解我們公事相關的我們就是需要胡委員會董事長在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
15152.196 |
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15167.054 |
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不好意思 方便請問委員您大概是公司的哪一個項目要做我剛剛提到了關於我們應該要製播比較公正比較客觀比較真實的相關的節目讓我們的國人了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
15168.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
15187.297 |
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中國大陸它的實況這些國際媒體都已經報導過的實況還有接下來我要講的這個台語的部分我也希望公視他們可以來製播相關的節目我也要了解說公視的台語台現在運作如何這些都需要董事長來答詢 |
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委員所提的提問都是非常有深度的而且也都是非常重要的所以跟委員特別報告這目前公視有安排這個台語台的台長公共電視文化事業基金會的經理然後Tplus的執行長 |
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那另外也有客家台的台長還有主席我根據這份列席名單我要求公共電視台董事長胡元輝董事長在場備詢 |
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跟委員特別回應這份名單是文化部所提供的參考名單他有在名單上早上已經有才事他有在名單上所以我要求他要在早上已經有才事那因為三讀通過的法令然後我們依法行政那因為行政院沒有不附屬 |
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然後所以這個基本上總統已經公告了所以我們還是要依法行政來處理那可能委員要再另外去透過別的方式我們今天來到教育委員會我們的座位上放著一份練習名單我們每個人座位上都有一份練習名單上面就有胡元輝董事長我要求他要在場我要求他要來答詢請主席您尊重我的執行權 |
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一定尊重非常尊重所以待會委員如果開始詢問我們才會開始計時這個時間都給委員請主席尊重我需要胡元輝董事長在場答詢不好意思不好意思所以我現在是要先點名你嗎因為他正在發言你們兩位是不是先決定誰先發言好 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
15304.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
15331.295 |
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因為我正在跟秀寶委員談話所以您又不尊重同黨委員的發言然後又要我點你我不點你 您又說我沒有中立現在就是秀寶委員的發言時間啊您這樣子讓我非常的困擾我還是要回應您 因為您 |
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15336.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
15358.486 |
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主席主席我還是要說根據財團法人法規定在新的董事長還沒有選出來之前新的人士還沒有出來之前胡元輝董事長能就是董事長為什麼他不是為什麼他不能在場那我現在有公事相關的議題我要詢問他 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15362.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15367.871 |
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他就必須在場來接受我的諮詢為什麼他不能在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
15369.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
15395.123 |
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好 跟委員特別報告一下因為早上有財事可能當下程序發言的時候你不在所以我還是說主席你不要再跳針了你不要一直講早上的財事我想請教你現場委員有無意見也沒有委員表達有意見那所以我做主席的我就有點尷尬我在準備財事的時候當然也會聽委員的意見但是當下可能 |
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15396.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
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主席 那我現在請您可以回答我 |
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15435.125 |
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我剛剛提了,依據財團法人法規定在新的董事還沒有選出來之前胡元輝董事長他還是董事長公視現在的一直所有的業務都還是順利的在運作沒有停擺那為什麼董事長他不能在場來回答我的質詢您介於什麼他還是董事長你新的人是還沒有出來之前他還是董事長啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
15446.571 |
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15459.404 |
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為什麼你們不讓他在場好跟委員報告一下也是基於三讀通過的法律你不要再跳針了根據財團法人法規定新的董事長還沒有出現之前對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
15489.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
所以委員可能要稍微了解一下這個優先的順序啦齁那我還是要跟委員報告不是我跳針因為如果我重複回答委員稱之為跳針的話那我要跟委員報告您重複的發問那是不是我也要說這樣子用那兩個字句我怕您會不滿意嗎所以您重複的回答我就重複的報告那您回答我是現在公視的董事長是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
15490.934 |
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15516.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
跟您特別報告 目前他們所安排的我問你公視董事長是誰 你還安排他們安排的啊現在公視董事長是誰 誰安排的 董事長是安排的嗎基本上三讀通過的法令 法令就已經寫得清清楚楚總統也公告了 所以目前所以現在董事長是誰早上可以已經宣告的過程看到我們已經稱呼為胡前董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
15518.342 |
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15530.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
所以我要跟您報告,希望說您可以尊重主席的才智現任公視董事長是誰?不好意思,您重複的發問,剛剛已經有做一個回應了現任公視董事長是誰?希望您能夠尊重主席的才智我要求公視董事長胡元輝在場,希望您尊重我 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
15544.858 |
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15573.057 |
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跟委員特別報告因為您剛剛有提出這樣的需求有特別休息五分鐘有詢問過文化部那文化部有特別說明包括以上有這些為您準備的相關備詢的這些人能代理董事長嗎另外他們也有提到現場有一個公視總經理徐秋華徐總經理也在現場他是董事長嗎我要求的身份是公視的董事長他是董事長嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
也希望您能夠尊重主席的才事以及早上大家所有的委員沒有意見那所以我們就做了一個才事但是我現在要求我需要公視胡元輝董事長來答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15590.4 |
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15613.436 |
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這個當然委員您可以要求但是也跟您報告早上已經有做一個採視了當下您沒有表達不同意所以我覺得程旭的發言這個部分您可能還是要掌握一下那我們剛才有做了一個會議提案我們希望我們有三位委員連署希望公視胡元慧董事長可以出席來備詢 |
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15615.819 |
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15639.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
主席您能夠處理有關於委員的提案我們是不是請主秘說明一下我們宣告的內容不好意思那是不是我先請陳秀寶委員您要讓他先發言嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
15663.643 |
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主席尊重陳秀寶你不尊重主席我是在跟你講話主席主席主席主席我要求先休息你先休息五分鐘現在吵成這樣子也沒有辦法講先休息五分鐘現在陳秀寶發言你這樣怎麼辦你一直說你三次三次你三百次都給陳秀寶發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15681.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15702.714 |
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好 那因為剛剛陳秀寶委員有請我本席才是休息十分鐘喔我們尊重陳秀寶委員休息五分鐘嗎好 我們休息十分鐘 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
15718.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
跟委員特別報告因為剛剛陳秀寶委員請我要做台式我要尊重秀寶委員現在他請主席叫他來休息4分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15725.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15748.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
董事長堅持在門外守候是不是可以讓社保委員繼續他的質詢5分鐘 1 2 3 4 5我覺得5分鐘就加起來是10分鐘嘛好不好 您有主張休息那我才是10分鐘給我一個多5分鐘的懺悔空間嗎那不好意思那是不是可以讓社保委員繼續質詢對不起 社保委員因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
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秀寶委員有他 他在質詢中那另外主席遲遲不讓質詢繼續胡維輝董事長一直在門外守候不要剝奪委員的質詢時間那秀寶委員是不是您同意繼續質詢秀寶委員您是不是繼續質詢然後請那個董事長已經回來了如果主席 如果主席您堅持要休息十分鐘那我要求我現在就繼續我自己的詢答 |
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沒有我已經裁示你都等我裁示核可來主席的裁示很有問題今天的出席名單也是主席事前核可的今天文化部來列席接受國會監督的各個官員的名單文化附屬文化管所包括公共電視列席的人員都是事前送又只會 |
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不要用文化來霸...不好意思我可以先...來指揮消音不好意思因為您...不要這樣好嗎是非常不穩定...不好意思因為我現在要...跟大家宣告一下是不是麻煩...群眾受...去質詢...受保... |
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不好意思我先跟大家特別報告一下因為剛剛祖密有特別跟大家報告這份名單呢並非我同意的可能剛剛吳思瑤委員在現場她不太知道真實的一個狀況早上可能吳思瑤委員秀寶委員在九點的時候呢可能也沒有出席 |
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整個委員會的一個程序發言當時我所做的裁釋也沒有任何的委員表達有任何的反對聲音所以基本上我們已經裁釋了那基於剛剛陳秀浩委員有特別要求主席裁釋休息現在我們是尊重秀寶委員剛剛所提出的 |
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跟共產黨有什麼不同指揮消音還會什麼羅廷偉國民黨跟共產黨做的一樣有什麼不同委員要見杜公安電視董事長為什麼他不能被尋上台那時候王委員主席要休息讓他休息您可以繼續質詢好那董事長我想請教您 |
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剛才我有請問剛才我有問過文化部長其實依法現在委員好請問委員是哪一方面的問題 |
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剛才我有請教過我們的部長就是關於現在很多的網紅因為中國的邀請他到中國去製播相關的旅遊節目 |
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好 現在宣布開會 我們有請陳秀寶委員繼續發言謝謝主席 那請部長 李部長 |
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委員好部長我們目前正在展覽中這個亞運特展一直以來其實我們教文委員會的委員們都十分的關心運動文化的推廣以及我們台灣運動歷程的述說所以針對這次文化部跟運動部可以合作來展出本席是 |
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以很大的肯定與支持那麼我們在台灣對十二強奪冠之後呢其實一直有台灣棒球運動相關展覽的呼聲請問針對這個部分文化部你們可不可以再跟運動部來討論相關展覽的可行性 |
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好 先跟委員報告就是運動部在去年九月成立之後我們就積極跟他們聯絡因為我一直認為運動會是台灣的文化內容很重要的所以我們在短短時間內做了很多合作其中包括運動漫畫對外增建 |
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雙方出預算對外增建五個漫畫故事然後像昨天那個是更有代表性的一個展覽然後未來我為什麼這次公共電視我們請李揚幫我找兩個運動員其實我不是因為這兩個運動員特別有名是我真的希望未來公共電視公廣集團裡面把運動變成一個蠻重要的一塊所以所有的 |
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所有的那個約約來的董事都是有目的的是要往下做的所以我也很感謝李洋李洋部長他年紀那麼小可是他一跟我談他就覺得他非常高興他說文化部能夠請到運動員作為公共電視的董事他覺得對運動 |
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這個產業還有運動員鼓勵很大我講這個的意思就是說其實我非常希望我們快速的做很多合作然後有新的產品新的產品出現甚至於電視節目等等 |
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這邊也要跟部長您肯定也要要求喔其實跟運動部持續的合作來做相關的這些站長的這個規劃呢我想這是民眾的期待民眾對於我們運動都一直是非常的熱愛那當我們有傑出的成績的時候這是整個台灣的榮耀 |
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我們也希望說這些運動記憶是可以傳承是可以延續的所以我這邊希望說文化部這邊你們要持續的跟運動部這邊來合作對於相關的這些運動相關的這些規劃呢可以是一直持續的在今天這個亞運特展的主題之後剛才像提到的說我們棒球的這個部分 |
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或是其他各項我們其實都有很傑出的表現的這些運動我們都可以來製作包括透過公管集團透過公視我們來製播相關的讓民眾可以更了解讓民眾可以更投入部長您願意嗎 |
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是 我覺得我昨天去參觀亞運展他呈現了戰後台灣不管用什麼名字站出去都是我們一個生命共同體我覺得我們應該團結起來靠運動激發大家凝聚力靠文化給大家信心所以我們是生命共同體這是我最深的感覺 |
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謝謝部長喔那其實呢 針對今天這樣的事情啦剛才我們在討論這個亞運特展的過程裡還是我講台語的傳承還是我在講說相關的報導事實真相這個部分呢我們都提到了公視 都提到了公廣集團其實公視在台灣 |
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民眾的心目中包括應該在我的心目中也是這樣子我們對公視都是非常的認可也覺得它是一個非常客觀非常中立而且一個非常重要的在民眾心目中的一個平台但是今天我要說我們招委是一個非常認真的招委它為民發聲它也監督我們各部會 |
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但是我不知道為什麼他今天會用一個這麼偏頗的角度來這麼粗暴的對待我們公視的董事長為什麼你要用這麼不中立用這樣的一個方式去攻擊是一個很認真在做事情那也承載著很多民眾的期待跟民眾他們的支持肯定鼓勵的這樣的一個集團這個部分我真的是很沒有辦法理解那我想昭緯你可能也沒辦法回答我只是我會覺得這是非常遺憾的以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們陳秀寶委員的發言那也跟大家特別報告因為我們公共電視法第二條我們的第二章已經有很清楚的載明清楚公共基金會成立組織營運儲本法有另外規定外 |
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所以我們可以知道我們這一個法規是優先於財團法人法所以這個基本上剛剛所做的才是也希望委員能夠體諒那我們現在休息武力華委員要繼續質詢耶 |
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張偉你在休息什麼五十一次來開會還是來休息的啊才休息十分鐘又要休息先休息五分鐘再休息十分鐘現在又要休息了要休息多久也不開會難道是無限期休息嗎 |
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好 現在開會我們有請下一位質詢的委員 吳立華召委謝謝主席 有請李遠部長有請部長吳委員好 |
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部長好我個人還有很多人都非常敬重您是一個文化人您來擔任我們的文化部長我們都感到非常的高興那為什麼我說您是文化人因為我們都知道 |
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一個文化人他必須要有幾個條件根植於內心的修養為別人著想的善良無需提醒的自覺還有以約束為前提的自由我想你是一個有風骨的人這些風範你也都在那我們也都期許自己也能夠成為這樣的人所以我 |
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剛剛看到我們延宕了一段時間就是為著公視董事長他到底合不合法 |
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公事董事長到底現任公事董事長是誰因為我們的公事還在運作我們並沒有癱瘓所以我們有一個領導者所以想要請教一下部長就是您對於這件事情它的合法性 釋法性可不可以先請您說說看 |
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好 謝謝你給我機會其實我說過很多遍公共電視剛才講到是一個特別法沒錯可是它也是財團法人法過去20年來好幾次都拖過1000天公司還在運作是根據哪一個法很簡單就是財團法人法你沒有產生新董事會舊董事會董事長他就是董事長我剛才講過很多次他今天如果不是董事長那明天公共電視怎麼運作公文怎麼簽 稀罪怎麼發 |
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剩下哪一件事情合法所以為什麼那麼覺得荒謬二十年來沒有發生過這樣的事情以前就是沒有產生新的董事舊董事還是照樣運作只是一拖再拖這是荒謬的很多點尤其是八個審查委員一起辭職那下面怎麼辦 |
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下面我們是不是繼續拖下去因為它還是合法所以今天的事情是非常荒謬一開始就把胡董趕出去我不曉得下面怎麼做那胡董不是的話誰是按照法律他就是雖然一再強調有一個法後來修掉是不得延任不得延任那個法本來就沒有這一條2023年加這一條的原因是就是以前每次都拖一千天 |
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讓原來的董事會做不下去加了說可以繼續延任但是拿掉之後他還是原來的財團法人法這是我們可以去透過法律來解釋的所以部長您的意思是說在我們現行的法令條文當中我們有看到公示法的第二條他很清楚寫著就是適用財團法人法有明確的文字那我這邊其實我也提供一個我所知道的 |
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其實在我們原住民族的文化事業基金會也有設立阿里昂電台 圓明台它也是一個董事會的組織其實也往往發生這樣的狀況其實我們的董事長在去年早就已經屆滿但是因為一直難產選不出來所以每一次圓明會來到立法院備詢 |
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董事長他還是會上台來備詢這個是我所知道的那我在這邊其實今天是排預算審查所以我想要跟部長就是做一個請教跟訴求為什麼我這樣講其實我們在教育部我看那一本厚厚的預算書 |
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幾年來我都可以很容易的看到原住民的經費在哪裡甚至到了他的分支計畫概況表他也會把一般的經費在說明欄的部分他也會清楚的寫原住民的教育在哪裡做了多少錢所以是分門別類一目了然那又或者說你們來做業報像中央研究院喔 |
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他們的業報就會很清楚去羅列原住民族相關的研究或講述計畫或者短中長程計畫很清楚那我對文化部我就不免要拜託一下部長因為您可能不知道 |
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我比較難過的是談到文化的時候我們都會說到原住民文化可以壯大台灣原住民文化可以去彰顯 凸顯我們跟其他的不同像是中國的不同 |
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所以大家都會說原住民文化很重要是台灣的核心原住民是這個土地的主人但是吼口惠實不至啦聲量不相稱啦因為回到文化部的時候我們會發現我用原住民三個字去做搜尋關鍵字搜尋完全搜尋不到在我們的預算書 |
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所以我其實蠻難過的那在業報裡面呢不好意思五十頁當中提到原住民的總共加起來大概是三四行 |
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所以我蠻難過的就是因為我們是文化部那為什麼我會特別想要講這件事因為您知道我過去的質詢我最在意的就是明明我們原住民的文化重要這些藝術家 這些團體說實在 我講一句實在話 |
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大家有一個刻板印象不就是找你們園民會去要嗎我們不就是有幫忙嗎但是沒有預算我就沒有監督的力道啊我就不知道到底你們錢怎麼弄的啊 |
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所以我是希望說啦文化部未來你們的預算也好業務報告也好我都希望能夠看得到原住民族的預算使用情形跟補助情形我就繼續講為什麼我這樣講像我知道你們最近有一個國美館做了一個展覽非常棒因為是用我們的台灣原住民跟美國的原住民的一個藝術展原民台也有報導所以呢我覺得我要去看 |
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但是呢 我想要去看一下這個預算到底多少所以我就去翻了預算 查不到那沒有關係 我就看了國美館的預算喔 我也看不太出來那我心裡又想說 好吧那國美館下面有一個科目叫生活美學業務共編列2.3億然後其中呢 我去找了一下有新竹彰化台南 台東 好吧台東跟原住民最相關 |
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編了五千萬多結果我去看了台東生活美學館2026年有六個展沒有一個原住民的展所以我也不曉得該怎麼說這件事情但我只知道說我再細看一下好了有一個叫做碧露蘭嶼的田我說天啊 |
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21257.007 |
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浪漫台三線的時候這個碧露蘭嶼已經被大家評論過一次長期以來我們都知道碧露蘭嶼不是不能用這是好的成語但是呢它的脈絡要注意特別是在史觀的脈絡像這個出自於台灣通史碧露蘭嶼已起山林其實部長你最清楚開山撫翻 |
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就像台中的泰雅族作家瓦里斯諾幹他說因為他是台中人我看完18本的台中憲誌他說我只看到漢人的開墾史卻完全看不到原住民的退後我們是節節敗退啊 |
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21277.153 |
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21301.648 |
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所以這樣的一個詞出現在我們文化部很重要的一個展覽然後把它當作是標題 主題我覺得這個是應該文化部不能出現的又舉個例子來講 我又在當中又看到了一個叫做什麼文化百老匯青少年展演哇 我說完了 |
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21322.25 |
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明明我們很多人 現在那些創作者 藝術家他們都覺得藝術已死 人類輸了人工智慧將抹煞台灣的藝文產業結果沒有想到 哇 我們用AI去製作海報 |
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這是文化部 不是小學生所以我都覺得這個不是文化部應該犯的錯誤所以在這個地方我們當然也知道我們為了這個所謂的文化的一個創作我們也不是說要禁止AI 反對AI但是文化部應該是要創造多元創作者的價值 |
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21374.275 |
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所以來到這個AI主權的一個時代數位時代的文化掠奪戰爭我相信文化部應該也很重視以我自己原住民來講我真的很擔憂因為我們都可以看到他從大水庫大數據去撈太多的圖卡AI製作的假原住民穿著不對的衣服甚至 |
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21375.336 |
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21393.142 |
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我看到這個是在大學開的AI課 我們原住民自己去試他用一個真人的照片 可是AI生成的時候 哇 把他變成排灣公主而且本來是真實的照片對的文化 |
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21394.042 |
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21410.857 |
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福瑪 結果產生出來的都是中國那邊的東西他會置喚深沉甚至講到公主他就覺得一定要頭上要有羽毛他去撈的時候他認為全世界的原住民都是印第安人我們怎麼辦 |
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我都覺得這是文化部要擔負起這樣的一個責任所以我看到文化部有一個文化藝術應用生成式的AI指引我想請教一下部長這個重點是什麼 |
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重點就是因為我們用到很多創作創作者可不可以用到AI然後AI本身有AI之後我們怎麼去檢視保護這個智慧創作所以這個部分是涵蓋原住民的好那所以我在這邊就是要特別的來提醒部長提醒文化部其實我們有一個原住民族傳統智慧創作保護條例 |
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21461.14 |
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21481.86 |
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我想我們文化部的文化藝術應用生成是AI指引我希望能夠去把這個加進去要涵蓋要把它納入那最後我其實時間的關係我想要請教部長也是我的一個期許啦因為你看一下這個照片 |
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21504.981 |
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我們很多的時候我們接到我們的族人陳情為什麼我特別用這張照片他們有六個七十歲以上的老人家他們從很遠很遠的南投的人愛鄉的深山裡面一起來到台北立法院辦公室 |
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21506.411 |
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可能他們也說不清楚也不知道政府的補助有什麼他們唯一能夠講的就是他們很想要做的事情可是往往我們幫他們開了協調會我相信你們部會也會遲遲等不到我們在會議中交代的事情 |
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可是我要講的是說光是一個文資身份無形文化的一個申請表格叫我填 我跟他叫助理練習填沒有一個人會填 |
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21543.356 |
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21564.65 |
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其實我是要表達文化部它其實是一個很特別的部會它是一個尊重文化 保護文化推動文化 搶救文化的部會它是一個跟時間賽跑的部會文化部有它自己的風格有它的調性 有它的個性有它的靈魂 有它的精神性我認為對於這一些文化 |
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21571.07 |
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21578.117 |
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應該是文化部的精神跟別的部會不一樣是要凡事主動協助凡事主動積極 |
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21580.817 |
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21606.859 |
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我在這個地方就是特別因為部長您是一個文化人我也非常的敬重您您真的是很有風骨而且你是一個實踐家所以我在這個地方我相信您擔任文化部長您一定也希望文化部能夠長出很不一樣的文化部靈魂跟精神那我不曉得說部長您能不能夠做一個簡單的回應 |
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21631.753 |
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謝謝委員讓我有機會回答剛剛你講說在我們的所有預算裡面打進原住民三個字之後錢很少事實上我們的原住民的費用是邊站每個單位我們算了一下2026年2026這一年就差不多3億1015萬然後我們在2024年就是我來的那一年的5月我們就跟原住民 |
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21657.776 |
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原住民業務合作一個平台喔這個平台裡面我們就跟原住民的副主委固定開會在這個平台下我們設置了部落文化藝文發展文創發展文化資產保存跟影視及流行音樂產業發展跟語言發展文化外交七個專案小組剛才你講到那個像碧路蘭女眾美麗島 |
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21658.757 |
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21678.302 |
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美麗島那個歌裡面我真的覺得漢人的確這個字眼是不對的我跟你道歉那事實上我個人對原住民一直覺得原住民這個文化是台灣文化裡非常重要的所以我們對外的很多表演尤其出國去一定有原住民的活動而且蠻多的多到有一天 |
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21700.804 |
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有一個人跟我看一說台灣是不是只有原住民我說不是因為原住民的所有表現都是最能夠凸顯台灣文化的譬如說運動員我們都是靠原住民我們的藝術靠原住民所以剛剛委員講的我一定會在文化部裡面把這個原住民這個元素放進去然後 |
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21701.854 |
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21728.593 |
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不會因為他有原住民委員會我們就會把工作推給原住民委員會這點請委員放心我剛剛有講說我們固定跟原住民委員會開會這點我保證好 謝謝部長那我其實就是希望說未來業報也好 預算也好我們能夠有清楚的看到這樣的編列因為知道預算我們才有力道監督啦 |
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21729.693 |
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21749.818 |
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這是我的期許那也希望說關於原住民文化保存的部分還有AI對於文化的一個挫制的一個災難的來臨我也希望文化部能夠多加力道的來關注來協助那些關於我們很多文化其實他們都是不善於 |
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21767.352 |
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去寫計畫或者不善於了解部會有什麼樣的補助可以來申請我希望能夠主動積極那最後我還是要跟公視表達感謝因為我們園民台就是從公視生出來的 |
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21797.219 |
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那公視即便在圓明台獨立出去之後我們看到不論是紀錄片的直播或者是一些議題的專題報導甚至是戲劇節目公視從來沒有因為圓明台的獨立而去掃作這件事所以我在這個地方要特別的至上感謝也希望我們的公視能夠快速的 |
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能夠走出這些紛擾那希望呢 公視好我們的媒體環境才能好那我們一起加油 文化部加油也謝謝主席 謝謝部長好 謝謝委員好 謝謝吳立華委員的詢答 謝謝下一位有請吳佩儀委員 |
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21834.036 |
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21835.737 |
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我請文化部李遠部長請部長魏委員你好部長好終於我們要開始來進行總預算文化部今年預算的這個審查今天是巡打那我在你們業務報告當中我看到文化部想要呼籲台灣的台劇人才並且要把台灣優質的這個影劇呢推向國際 |
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21862.506 |
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21878.158 |
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去年是我們公視的學生劇展去年迎來了20週年這麼多年來其實有非常多的導演、演員甚至編劇都是在我們從學生劇展出來的有沒有哪些的這些人才就是透過我們的學生劇展來產生 |
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21880.84 |
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21894.148 |
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其實在我們國片最不景氣的時候大家都沒有工作機會的時候我們是依賴公共電視學生 劇場還有幾個電視電影這樣一個計畫我是不是請胡董事長來回答 |
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21926.021 |
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委員好 謝謝您關心這個學生劇場學生劇場的確是公共電視培養人才一個非常重要的管道我們現在大概有20人不好意思 打擾一下兩位主席 這是我質詢的時間不好意思 因為早上已經有我的時間我的時間現在還在跑主席請你見證我的質詢那我想說這個部分剛剛我們在外面兩黨的協商我想剛剛你們也有同意這個部分我想基於坐在主席台 |
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我們在休息的時間也有跟委員私下的在溝通很可惜委員打破了剛剛跟我們私底下的一些溝通的內容溝通的內容很清楚表達今天依法執行我們依法通過了我們公共電視法行政院沒有不附屬總統也公告了 |
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21985.751 |
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所以我們只是希望能夠依法執行我再一次的強調也希望前董事長能夠體諒無意刁難那今天現在又有委員在說我是打斷質詢剛剛很可惜現在是我質詢的時間我們在外面所有的談論現在是我質詢的時間主席你能不能夠讓我做回一發言大家會休息 謝謝 |
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21999.561 |
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又要休息祝熙啊你這個預算已經被你們拖了超過半年以上了今天這麼多文化部相關機關同仁都在現場那剛剛在休息時間你也答應我們 |
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24384.807 |
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24389.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
好 現在開會我們有請吳佩儀委員請繼續詢問 謝謝 |
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24399.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
24401.57 |
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首先我要拜託你一件事情雖然接下來我要詢問您的是關於公共電視相關的業務內容 |
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24430.802 |
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但是因為今天這個主席已經因為公共電視這個董事長的事情已經宣布休息了三次以上那我實在是心疼啦我不希望我們同仁在這裡耗時間所以說接下來有關公共電視的業務就請部長您來回答沒問題 |
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好剛剛前面質詢的時候我們提到公共電視的學生巨展這個去年是20週年其實我們看到台灣非常多本土影視的人才都是在這些製作培育之下所茁壯成長那甚至是推展到國際的市場那所以說呢 |
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24490.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
我實在是不理解國民黨千方百計要來癱瘓公視的運作我不懂國民黨為什麼這麼仇視公視公視投資製作台灣本土戲劇節目公視的耳哨節目更是我們金鐘獎的常勝軍這麼多年來我們是上百位的導演從公視的學生劇展出發許多後來都是新位導演 |
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24492.506 |
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24506.398 |
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展露頭角這是我們台灣之光他們幫我們記錄了屬於台灣的故事那也因為他們的成長帶動培育了台灣更多影視的人才不是只有幕前也有幕後的 |
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24507.608 |
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24526.257 |
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那國民黨癱瘓公視其實今年不是第一次在2009年的時候這個貪污的國民黨前令委林世益他當時就曾經凍結了公視4.5億的預算而且當時甚至要求要把公視的節目送交新聞局來審查 |
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24527.638 |
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24539.563 |
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這個形容是回到戒嚴啦用政治來凌駕專業要審查我們的節目內容那去年呢國民黨立委陳玉珍他一度提案是要刪除公視23億的預算要把這個補助幾乎是3到0 |
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24544.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
24570.811 |
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後來呢是引起了文化人群起的發聲在社會的抗議之下最後國民黨才迷途知返這個刪除的比例變成百分之一也就是兩千三百萬所以說呢今天一早這個羅志強委員要求要把公視的胡元輝董事長要求他要離開委員會我相當的擔心這根本是一連串寫好的劇本 |
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24572.406 |
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24586.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
我很擔心他們把公視董事會當成藉口怎麼說呢這個一開始的緣起是國民黨推薦的公視董事會審查委員連續兩次不讓公視選出董事會成員不讓公視選出新的董事會然後呢去年修法今年通過的又去刪除了公視董事會的延任條款不要新的也不要舊的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
就是要把政治的手伸進公共電視但是有政治卻不願意仔細去看法條在修法的時候今天爭議在哪裡呢我再說一次在修在把這個沿用條款刪掉的時候呢並沒有去寫新的所以就回到了公示法的第二條 |
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因為公示法你被原任條款刪掉了嘛沒有規定的時候第二條寫得很清楚適用財團法人法依照財團法人法因為現在你沒有選出新的所以既有董事長就是原任這個法律檢視就是這麼清楚 |
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那過去修法的時候我們都仔細去看造成今天的爭議這是最大的問題但是我們真正擔心的是這一連串的杯葛包括董事會的杯葛包括今天我們公視的董事長依照我們立法院教員會的開會通知來到現場不讓他上台備詢這是嚴格我們立委的諮詢權我也有權利監督郭鋒電視我有權利要求董事長接受我的詢問但是主席不讓他上台 |
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那麼下一步我最擔心是馬上又要審查文化部的預算了去年派出文化殺手陳毓臻今年又要派出誰來會不會今年又要對公共電視的預算來下毒手那如果這個預算真的又像去年一樣要砍到劍谷的話這個傷的部長不是你的面子我也不在乎你的面子傷的也不是公共電視這個傷的是我們全台灣本土的文化人所以部長在這裡要再一次的來拜託你 |
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請你務必要為台灣本土的文化人尤其我們影視的工作者請你務必要捍衛到最後一刻我非常感謝吳佩儀委員把時間拉到2008年林義士委員那件事那件事容我講一下你就知道我們曾經怎麼樣被閹割馬英九時代2008年當時的董事長跟 |
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總經理還是前面民進黨派的鄭同僚跟馮賢賢結果林議士到立法院修法把公共電視的董事從16個變24個硬是換掉董事長跟總經理連這種事情都做得出來的 |
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你相信做不出其他事情嗎這件事情我非常高興你提出來了因為我們公款集團已經過了20年了大家完全忘記這20年發生什麼事情我非常高興你講你就可以知道它多麼惡劣 |
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其實公共電視公共廣播集團這20年來還好撐住了台灣很多影視人才每一個劇都是台灣劇的天花板與惡的距離斯卡羅人選之人每拍一部就把台灣的劇集拉到天花板現在的公共電視包括公管集團是一個狀況非常好的狀況包括有小公視有台語台等等 |
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我不曉得為什麼他們要用這個理由說現在公安局長很爛啊所以第一屆所有的連任委員全部刪掉去年12月刪掉了七個連任委員就是用說公安局長是很爛啊所以刪掉那個我為什麼覺得你們不可以這樣傷害每一個人呢那個七個被你刪掉全部都是原來你們雙方同意的人啊我為什麼要一直強調這個 |
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不然整件事情會被污蔑到說只有我不願意協商 抱歉我們回頭看這20年來發生過多麼荒謬的事情後來鄭同僚 鳳賢賢打官司告 告到最後打贏了我希望今天就講這件事情 大家回頭看 |
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在我們公管集團的二十年來發生過多麼荒謬的事情現在八個委員一起辭職我告訴你非常荒謬你不要以為八個人一起辭職就是我的錯你從頭到尾我手上還有證據八個委員簽字哪一天開會我還換過兩個禮拜就為了讓他們人比較多 |
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本來我們元素多一個我都放棄他們跟我講說差一個沒關係我們多一個我說不要我不要讓在野黨有藉口我要讓他多一兩個都沒關係才定到那一天如果要把事情從頭到尾講我可以講個不停所以謝謝你我真的覺得機會太好了我們重提往事你就知道什麼事情都會發生 |
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部長我們文化部真的是重責大任因為整個台灣的文化我們的文化工作者所有的創作者都需要文化部來做他們的後盾那麼由政府來支持文化創作這不是只有台灣就是我自己很喜歡的這個韓團BTS這個團長他在這個APEC的全國的大會上面的演講的時候他說拜託各個國家政府 |
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手邊握有資源握有權力的人是不是可以都一起來支持你們國內的藝術文化創作者這是全世界各個國家都是這麼做的而在我們自己的委員會不分黨派的立委常常在我們這邊質詢的時候也都是要求說韓國政府怎麼樣去支持他們的藝文工作者特別是影視營我們台灣不能輸不能輸所以我們資源相關的我們也要去支持 |
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所以這個要拜託部長 |
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我們一定要當文化人的後盾那麼我很關心的是文化部去年有一個百家文化基地這個專案全國最後是選出了110個在我的選區中中華區有三個基地入選那這個計畫呢已經推動一年了我看了一下它的成效那也想就我們台北市執行的狀況給文化部一點建議以台北市來說整個台北市你們選出了七個點這七個點裡面有超過一半就是四個點 |
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其實都是市政府的這個狹下場館那我們給的獎勵是兩年五十萬等於平均一年二十五萬那另外你再給這個地方政府他幫忙去推動串聯整合嘛就兩年三百萬等於一年平均是一百五十萬其實以台北市的資源來說這個佔他們年度預算裡面這個我說狹下場館其實不多啦 |
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那所以說我們當時要推這個百大文化基地的時候有一個很重要的政策目標一定要回到政策目標我們希望要可以串聯民間我們有沒有去統計過在全國110點裡面地方政府轄下的場館佔了幾成真正是來自於民間的基地 |
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是比例是多少這個你們要去統計因為以台北市來說五成以上都是等於是市政府的狹下場館它本來就已經有資源了那我們這個資源挹注最主要是希望他們可以幫我們帶動民間的串聯形成你的小這個小旅行的路線相關的文化路徑等等所以這一點我希望你們要去盤點 |
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那另外呢百大基地裡面你們也希望要去演唱示範性的旗艦文化觀光景點這個部分我們是文化部希望可以跟交通部觀光署來一起合作對不對那目前呢有沒有哪些是已經跟觀光署在討論要可以來配合我們的文化基地進行觀光宣傳的 |
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有 我們跟公關署開過很多會公關署本來就有一個台灣好行的路線我們跟他合作了45條這個路線中會經過百大文化基地他把它拉進去還有台灣觀光巴士路線有7條本身我們的網站也是互相通的 |
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他讓別人進到觀光署的晚上就接上我們的文化地圖其實我們文化地圖做得蠻好的就是百大文化基地在文化地圖可以找到而且每個基地可以不斷地加內容由基地的人自己加內容這個部分我想我們持續會做 |
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是 這個因為台灣好行觀光巴士台北市也沒有啦所以呢 我認為觀光署一定可以更積極再提出更多的這個觀光宣傳相關的計畫那同樣的呢 在影視局你們今年有一個新增預算叫做音樂節升級與帶動國際觀光計畫總共是五千萬就是說我們要來去評選我們在地的這些音樂節然後同樣的我們也希望可以跟觀光署來合作 |
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因為選出來之後我們來一起來推動帶動觀光局長是不是有去拜會觀光署目前談了哪些合作 |
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跟委員報告觀光署他們那邊是說如果我們選出來之後可以跟他們再討論那未來可能包括觀光地圖還有一些我們可以做一些音樂地圖或者說觀光的一個景點可以整合起來在將來觀光署在國外有很多據點可以幫忙做宣傳我講了一下演唱會經濟也是台灣很重要的魅力啦所以這個部分我希望文化部跟觀光署可以更積極的來合作那我也會來召開這個協調會我們一起來討論趕快把這個工作的事項擬定出來 |
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那最後呢因為我剛剛前面有要求要會議詢問主席一直沒有給我時間所以我這樣一分鐘我還是要就是說明剛剛就是主席有講到說他上午因為有羅志強委員要求要胡元輝董事長要離席那他說因為我們沒有在現場那麼如果是講質詢的話至少我個人 |
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在教委會我的質詢率是百分之百每一場委員會質詢我都親自在現場那如果主席你要說說我們質詢的時候其他委員有沒有在現場 |
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那現在我質詢像柯市政委員也沒在現場你這個講法你會害到你們自己黨內的委員所以我希望我們還是持平的來講就是描述事實那麼在這個委員會裡面我們還是要再次重申因為我希望列入這個會議紀錄的公報今天 |
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委員會董事長公共電視文化結晶會委員會董事長他今天是有依我們委員會的會議通知要求而出席的但是很可惜我在質詢的時候相關的業務他沒有辦法上來備詢那這個是依據主席的要求並不是董事長 |
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缺席或者是請假並沒有那我們覺得非常的遺憾那我們也希望未來台灣的公共電視在立法院的委員會裡面我們就實質的約務可以有實質的監督然後有更多的討論謝謝部長謝謝主席 |
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好謝謝我們吳佩儀委員的詢答吳佩儀委員的詢答我想都有他自己的專業跟精準那也非常感謝吳佩儀委員在每一次諮詢時間都一定有到這邊把握每一次的機會但是也跟佩儀委員特別報告我想我剛剛很清楚的在表達是早上九點的時候 |
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這個程序的發言您剛好不在那我自始至終我都堅守著您可能剛好在忙我並無意去說您有做任何的缺席所以不需要去扭曲別人的話語那當然您在自己的執行時間您是百分百的到場這個有目共睹但是早上可能剛好九點的時候我們在介紹委員 |
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剛好您就不在那剛好在處理程序問題的時候您也剛好不在那詢問委員有無意見現場的委員也都沒有意見 |
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所以我才會做這樣的採視希望您能夠體諒那另外也剛剛馬上就跟旁邊我們的主秘來求證我們是不是有去做邀請的部分那也跟委員特別報告我們是統一由這個文化部 |
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來自己做相關的籌備所以並非是由我來做一個邀請所以沒有所謂的事前同意名單剛剛竹蜜也有特別講過還希望委員能夠體諒也希望委員不要刻意的就是不斷的貼標籤或者是有不實的言論以上簡單的報告 |
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我們下一位質詢的委員 邱志偉 邱志偉 邱志偉蘇清泉 蘇清泉 蘇清泉鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌張雅玲 張雅玲 張雅玲謝亦鳳 謝亦鳳 謝亦鳳林倩琦 林倩琦 林倩琦我們有請羅志祥委員代委主持會議 謝謝 |
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有請羅廷維委員質詢好謝主席有請部長請李部長羅委員辛苦了部長辛苦了是部長 |
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一開始就想邀請你來文化部做相關的詢問那因為你有反應說手的部分很辛苦那所以我也很體恤排到這麼後面來做這樣子的一個詢問我相信你也感受到我的誠意因為有許多的同仁一直在表達文化部有很多的一些專案報告或者是一些業務想要了解但我都遲遲的 |
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慢慢往後推就是希望說等您康復那看到您現在是康復的狀況非常的硬朗我們也都為您高興 |
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非常感謝羅委員就是你可以幫我們往後延那事實上我狀況並不好就是我整個手抬不起來但是我覺得也應該差不多要面對了所以你覺得我聲音很大我是用力很努力的提醒自己要為我們的政策辯護所以我還是很感謝你拖到今天雖然比原來預定提前一個月但是我覺得我們還是要面對謝謝 |
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因為真的很多委員一直說希望能夠跟你做業務上的交流所以希望你能夠體諒因為看到我主要是看到總質詢您在這個總質詢的過程有上台去回應嘛那有多少少應該是可以來做一個業務詢答啦好那我想雖然很多的委員都已經放過了這個音樂但是我還是想說再透過這個機會再請大家再聽一次啦 |
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跟他拼啊 |
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我想最近我們都非常關心這個樂團拿到70萬的補助當然你有說明它是整個專輯獲得補助但是我們還是希望這一張專輯裡面有這樣的一首歌歌名跟內容不只是低俗媒體報導出來以後整個社會是非常嘩然讓社會無法接受都在問我們的文化部怎麼了那我想部長創作是個人的自由 |
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你要怎麼寫怎麼唱一定要尊重但是今天最大的問題是你拿人民的納稅錢我相信今天如果他的內容講到獨裁違背民主第一個跳出來的一定是小野一定不能接受 |
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所以今天他拿著人民的納稅錢去鼓勵性侵毛小孩我覺得這個部分對所有的不管是地方的劇團啊 人民啊還有求助無門的這些藝術家情何以堪我們輕輕鬆鬆的把70萬給了他換來是這種挑戰社會底線的內容 |
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這絕對不是您任內完成的但是文化部勢必要檢討所以今天你也有提到我們會來做一個檢討那你要怎麼檢討可不可以給我們一個具體的後面要怎麼樣去將委員會也好然後有一個具體的檢討標準也好甚至這70萬會不會追回這部分請問一下 |
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謝謝你的回答其實我來文化部快兩年針對過去的一些補助方式包括剛才講到電影也好音樂也好其實我有重新去檢討那個審查的方式是不是要多增加一些委員或者 |
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做出來之後我們要不要去追他的結果如何其實這一首歌我們真的有再拿去給原來的七個委員再去聽一遍如果他們覺得有問題我們就對他做出一些處理結果沒有想到原來的委員還是堅持說要給他錢對 我必須尊重委員嘛那七個委員我如果講出名字是非常專業的所以就文化玻璃廠我只能從辦法上修一點 |
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為了要更安全一點也許我們更多一點評審進去另外加一個制度就是他當他成品出來的時候我們有個追蹤然後我們再嚴格一點讓這個機會給下一個比較只做過一次的包括電影也是剛剛我沒有機會講這個補助跟投資其實我有花很多力氣重新重整這些制度我很希望讓大家覺得給的很公平啊所以我 |
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25719.415 |
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| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
我不介意你講這個事情但是我只是說我們一直是給的蠻公平的只是說大家一直講這首歌要推翻掉我們所有以前的歌曲的補助文學的補助電影的補助我只是在講這個我覺得那不公平那這首歌你覺得你覺得哪裡不好我也試著去給評審委員再看過 |
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真的所以我不是一個我說他多好不是這個意思因為我作為文化部長我真的不能去自己審查我真的要把那個審查的制度建立起來沒關係可不可以就直接回應我你要具體的怎麼檢討你這樣審查有有其實我們就已經增加人增加我是不是請局長報告一下增加幾位 |
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跟委員報告我們有在思考因為目前評審的機制是委員是七位我們可以考慮增加到九位然後目前評審委員大部分都是企劃製作編曲方面的專業我們有考慮到說是不是可以增加作詞人因為畢竟作詞這一塊可以讓我們將來音樂的內容呃呈現上可以讓更多人來幫我們檢視這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
25784.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
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那想請問一下 增加到九位 我無意去糾正你們委員的討論內容包括委員要不要換人 這個我想都尊重你們但基本上我們希望能夠更加的堅守一些道德底線那我就問嘛 如果部長 今天他的內容是鼓勵獨裁鼓勵反民主 那這個部分您認為妥當嗎 |
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25830.653 |
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如果是鼓勵獨裁反民主要跟他怎麼唱因為基本上地下樂團他對於政治對於社會他是非常不滿的他那個不滿透過唱歌宣洩我沒有辦法回答你說他如果講獨裁啊民主我一定不同意因為我不是評審委員我不是評審委員我其實每次 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
25831.613 |
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每一次評審完 也許我看的那個結果跟我想法不一樣可是我們是個民主時代啊我想講的喔 你我都為人父母啊你更有四個可愛的孫子喔你還出過一本不管輸贏都愛你小野與四個孫子的生活陪伴日記啊肢體行間都是對下一代的關懷教育的堅持那我請教部長啊你自己敢拿這首歌放給你的孫子聽嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
25859.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
25884.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
您問得非常好我孫子現在在網路上從YouTube上面聽到各種歌我不知道他在聽什麼然後他聽的東西我也不知道因為基本上我們一代一代之間的差距越來越大我們應該不要一直繞著這首歌好跟壞應該繞著回來講制度我一直在跟委員保證我來之後我真的有盤點所有的制度 |
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| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
我們希望 文化部還是要知道為什麼大家一直糾結在這首歌好跟壞 或許每個人的評價不同但是它有它挑戰社會道德底線的一個問題而且重點還是今天如果是拿部長你的錢去補助他我沒有問題那70萬裡面應該也有我的錢吧可能我是全民當中的 |
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千萬分之幾而已啊但這就是人民的納稅錢啊那所以我希望說我不知道文化部為什麼過去會這樣子但今天你願意承諾在審視的過程審核的標準應該要去做調整 |
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| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
25954.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
少數人如果覺得這樣子的一個錢位很酷就可以無視社會觀感要求全民來買單我覺得這件事情是社會憤怒的不是創作本身所以文化部我希望我們現在討論到的還沒有講清楚的三個核心問題第一為什麼會給這筆錢第二補助後的成效在哪裡70萬砸下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
25955.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
25980.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
來了多少場演出 多少的點閱率上次其實有委員在講 網路的播放率其實非常不佳的喔如果今天你補助下去 造成社會的轟動不是只有負面評價 而是一波熱潮 正面的吹捧那可能是我不夠前衛不好意思 他的點閱率是出奇的低 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
25982.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
25997.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
未來要如何改善這是第三個我們尊重的不要躲在尊重創作自由的保護傘我們要尊重創作自由當然可以去創作但公帑補助不等於無條件買單所以部長我還是要提醒你 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
文化補助不是政治正確或圈內遊戲當你在陪伴日記裡面寫下對孫子的期許社會也對文化部有同樣的期許如果文化部用同樣的標準繼續分配人民的納稅錢分配資源那換來的不是文化黑潮而是文化退潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
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26046.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
部長請別讓文化部淪為少數同溫層自娛自樂的提款機把真正的資源留給創作藝術者讓他們能夠真正被看到能夠讓台灣驕傲的創作者而且不要忘記喔今天還有一個今天他也自己非常非常的坦蕩蕩的承諾誠實的講他就是剽竊啊他剽竊 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
26050.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
國外的創作啊那不就是我們都一直在講有些人海報不小心去雷同有些電影的內容不小心雷同都引來撻伐了更何況你補助的內容的創作者還說我就是剽竊啊所以今天我們憤怒的是在這個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
我覺得這個已經誠實的說他剽竊了結果委員還是一樣繼續堅持要給他這一個補助那我們就覺得很納悶了這也無關前衛無關是不是社會能夠認同了那所以現在我也可以鼓勵所有的創作者我們大量的剽竊國外的創作因為會有在國內一定會有通過的機會比較高人人都可以拿到70萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
26100.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
26101.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
是这样吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
26103.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
26104.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
所以我覺得很納悶嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
26133.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
26151.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
審核幫他背書他沒有剽竊可是製作者自己說自己剽竊你覺得在這一個點我要相信這個創作者還是相信委員我覺得這個應該變成我應該要相信當事者了吧當事者都自己承認我剽竊了然後 |
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26182.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
你的委員還可以去幫他背書沒有他沒有嫖妾沒有雷同我就覺得很特別啦所以我覺得這件事情社會自有公道啦當事者都承認嫖妾了你還可以委員幫他背書部長今天本席想再請教你一個問題想請你猜一下我們蠻常質詢叫你猜東西的對不對但是這個沒有加分扣分請問一下這是哪一位藝術家 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
26188.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
26207.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
我看不出來他的好友 劉啟偉曾經推崇他說他的生活方式 繁樸歸真精神跟大自然契合畫風迥異他的田野中的自然生長出來的果實 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
26210.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
26226.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
習得敬也曾經評論他說他並非反傳統而是把傳統向前推進一步他不致命現代也不致命前衛陳曉林也說他製成一格的味道 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
26227.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
26253.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
部長過去您身為暢銷的作家小野有15本小野童話以及多本的散文都由皇冠出版而這位藝術家當年也在皇冠也出版過呆話呆話人生小品請問部長那你這樣知道了嗎他是誰就是昭厄呆就是昭厄呆 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
26255.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
26283.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
他1917年出生1949來到台灣的第一站就是台中 最後在澎湖紮根1500多件的作品捐給澎湖你認為趙二呆算不算台灣的藝術家不但是 而且很有代表性很有代表性喔那我想文化部今天有您認同喔他是台灣戰後重要的藝術家嗎你覺得呢 |
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26284.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
26310.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
其實我們對那種戰後來台灣的藝術家在我們歷史博物館已經長了很多很多的所以戰後來台的或者在原來在台灣的那些藝術家創造了很多現代畫繪比如五月 東方我自己成長中全部受他們的影響很深所以我當然是不但喜歡還崇拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
26311.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
26330.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
好 那我想這個部分我們還是希望我今天要講的重點就是文化部不應該讓台灣的藝術史被淡化所以在戰後藝術史本就有多元多層次多流動有渡海來台的藝術家有本土前輩的畫家有現代水墨前衛的藝術也有像趙二代這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
26331.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
26351.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
帶著文人精神寫生取向掛媒材的一個創作走出自己路線喔所以本席今天要請問文化部文化部談本土化談台灣文化主體性的時候會不會因為某些藝術家出身背景政治經歷或不容易被歸類就讓他們在藝術史放在角落 |
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26353.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
26379.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
一點都不會 因為我的成長經驗中我爸爸也是個畫家家裡進進出出一大堆這種背景好 我先讓我接著下去接著有請國立歷史博物館館長史博館收藏百件以上的作品藝術家共有17位其中就包括趙二代既然史博館典藏他百餘件的作品代表史博館本身對他的藝術價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
26380.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
26404.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
並非陌生也不是沒有研究跟策展的一個基礎但是這30年來史博館有沒有為趙二呆辦過一次完整的個人特展不好意思麥克風沒聲音包委員是有我們史博館在94年的5月跟6月曾經辦過一次那個趙二呆作品紀念展 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
26405.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
26425.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
好 我所掌握到的資料是沒有啦那你94年嘛 對再麻煩你會後資料給我一下我來了解一下 是我想有些近年來辦過聯合展的啦有些近年來辦過個人特展喔其中也有楊英峰 漢堡德 李前朗 李在前 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
26426.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
26449.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
也有曾經都以個展介紹給大眾可是趙二呆如果史博館收藏百餘件卻沒有長期一檔他個人的完整特展的話我認為是愧對於他啦所以基本上我也很想了解你的一些內容所以想請問一下史博館目前還有沒有機會再規劃趙二呆的個人特展 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
26451.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
26477.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
包委員我們目前針對國內的藝術家因為那個之前的歷任館長已經包括有正式發公文承諾的目前已經有50檔的藝術家那如果是針對本館典藏的百年的藝術家的部分我們可以看檔期的安排的部分優先來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
26493.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
我希望部長也可以來承諾協助史博館、澎湖縣政府、地方文化單位共同盤點趙二代的作品文獻出版品以及藝館的資源作為未來策展以及研究未來推廣的基礎部長可以研議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
26495.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
26522.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
其實可以啊 剛剛我們館長講說也許我們先從網路的展覽開始其實像王潘元或者是趙二呆他們這一代對台灣的繪畫影響真的蠻深的只是剛剛有提到說歷任館長已經把檔期排得滿滿的已經三年以上所以我想我們就用別的方式先用網路或者是收集資料做研究開始如果有什麼機會我們就再來正式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
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以前文化部公布百大文化基地部長也到澎湖做首發宣傳嘛我非常喜歡澎湖喔對啊所以我肯定文化部重視澎湖的文化資源但本席想請問當時文化部有沒有想到二代藝館因為它本身二代藝館原來是被鑑定到底是不是古蹟後來鑑定不是後來越變成是文化部已經一次一次的給了蠻多錢大概幾千萬吧在修復所以 |
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我們但是沒有把它選為這個好沒關係我現在要講就點出這個問題他已經不是地方小館了他早在沒有BOT法規之前現在我們看到他畢生的積蓄到澎湖蓋的這座館還捐給縣政府所以我希望部長文化部三十多年來把它當成二大藝館當成一般的場館是不是應該來重視一下它的 |
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我跟委員講一個好消息就是經過我們幾次對外標案終於標到了5月18號開工所以我們對於這個趙二代這個管所還有趙二代這個畫家我想我們會我們會持續的用各種方式來推廣他的作品 |
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好 我最後要講目前文化部補助的縣政府澎湖縣政府辦理二代藝館的結構補強跟空間改善的工程依本席向文化部所取的資料112年補助細部設計專業服務案90萬114年核定2318萬後續工程也已經招標決標本席支持結構補強公共安全當然是基本要求但是二代藝術館 |
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它不只是建築物它本身也有造二代的造型思考空間語言所以我希望結構補強以後是不是也能夠在後續這個建築它已經不是單純的展覽空間二樓的高度如龍首彎曲處如龍身空心磚女兒牆像鈴片它本身就是一個藝術品藝術家留下來的所以我們希望 |
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這次補助二代的整修藝館的整修文化部是不是把它當成一般場館在維修還是把它當作一個藝術品在做保存這很重要啊這個部分您可不可以幫我們了解一下如果一般維修就是結構安全而已啊供其預算那但是如果是藝術品它兼顧原貌材料比例象徵甚至是空間感藝術品它當時留下來的一個精神所以我要請部長 |
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文化部在審查過程的補助有沒有要求澎湖縣政府來提出文化保存藝術完整評估有沒有邀請藝術史的建築保存文資保存熟悉造二代的專家來做討論如果沒有是不是能夠好好的補這個程序讓這次整修把它更完善您覺得可以嗎 |
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因為我們能夠補助他兩千多萬去表示說我們已經開始承認他是一個保存的地方這個希望你會後能夠有提出相關資料讓我們能夠掌握我聽聞家屬與澎湖縣政府之間的溝通並不順暢是我知道 |
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但我無意責難相關的承辦可能也有一些壓力所以我沒有要來究責但我希望文化部能不能站在協助角色來讓兩方能夠更加的快速能夠幫忙去建立這個專業的溝通平台 |
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可以嗎我會希望我自己跑一趟去看因為我真的是沒有看過昭和呆在澎湖留下的建築物因為在當年戰亂的時候琉璃思索很多藝術家分散在台灣許多角落他們的住宅各式各樣剛剛委員你講到這個看起來是真的蠻特別我想我親自跑一趟去看一下 |
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好 謝謝你 那我想我們也要提醒文化部不要重硬體輕軟體建築都蓋好之後 場館修好如果缺乏專業的人員策展的內容我覺得這也是非常遺憾我們不希望變原文質館所以本席認為二代藝館只要修好以後我希望部長承諾兩周內盤點照二代相關的典藏文獻的資料還有二代藝術整修的後續營運規劃並向本席報告書面資料 可以嗎 |
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這個可能我們要跟地方政府了解因為他的東西可能非常非常多然後哪一些可以保留哪些家屬要帶走因為牽涉到蠻複雜的資料我想我們要先了解但是我們會盡快好 謝謝那再來就是石博館在兩週內研議是否能夠提出照二代的特展跟專題研究的初步報告可以嗎 |
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館長說可以我們希望把趙二代作品留給史博館把藝術留給澎湖 留給國人後半輩子他留在了台灣一位藝術家生命的光都在我們這邊發光發熱交給了我們這片土地國家就應該珍惜讓他的這些文化藝術繼續傳下去感謝大家 謝謝 |
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好 我們下一位委員 李昆城 李昆城 李昆城不好意思不好意思這代表著李昆城委員非常非常的堅守崗位等到最後一刻大家都很堅守崗位啦 |
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剛剛有委員說超時我剛剛一回來就說還給委員時間也讓委員暢所欲言很可惜還是一樣在這個部分有一點點希望委員能夠體諒我也讓委員都盡量暢所欲言好謝謝主席我可以發言了嗎可以了嗎可以質詢了嗎可以可以可以好謝謝請部長有請部長好謝謝 |
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議委員你好來部長好辛苦了這個我先問一個地方的一個議題就是我們三重的這一個私立圖書館要改建那改建這個市府他也出了蠻多的經費預計花 |
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花費40億然後作為這一個新北的這個算是第二的這個總管因為第一總管是在板橋然後第二總管可能會在就在三重啦就在三重然後這個預計投入40億元那我知道說這個圖書館的部分是跟教育部比較有相關但是文化部呢也有跟教育部也有來這個密切的一個合作就是說你們對於這個文化部 |
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對於圖書館的補助有一些出版與閱讀環境的專案計畫然後你們也有一些提升圖書館的一些軟硬體設備包含公共圖書館的閱讀設備升級計畫還有建置科技運用與創新服務環境等等畫面停留在第一頁就可以了那請問一下這個 |
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部長就是說對於我們這個三重即將要興建的這一個私立讀書館那是不是文化部這邊可以來作為協助雖然他是由教育部來主導但是有跟文化部沒錯其實文化部他能夠介入的地方很多包括軟體包括設計等等我們都會跟教育部一起來討論 |
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那這部分我也會找教育部啦那這時候再請文化部就我們三重這個三重難得有一個是屬於地標型的文化這方面的圖書館那我也希望說它能夠蓋得好因為它畢竟市政府也預計投入40億元 |
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我想未來對我們三重來講,不僅是一個地標,它未來也是一個文化的中心這個部分就請文化部這邊,威威請教育部那邊來做個協助,先謝謝部長另外請教一下,公視的董監事提名的名單 |
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那現在本來部長就是有在去年有提名這一個14位嘛然後7位現任的董事呢慘遭團滅那這個團滅其實這些人其實也都是非常優秀的你說包含施政董事長等等 |
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那都被所謂的審查委員會全部都封殺掉了那所以呢 您後來又再補題十位董事那這十位董事呢我看到這個名單 我也覺得蠻訝異的就是說 我比較熟悉的 譬如說像彭正敏 |
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這個前職棒選手然後李志凱體操選手然後包含黃韻玲她是這個音樂人也是前北流董事長甚至連詹妮儀前TBBS的這個新聞部的副總等等你們提了這一個十位的這個董事的候選人嘛那結果咧結果是這一個 |
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審查委員會的委員有八個他們集體辭職那八個集體辭職之後呢就變成說你所提的這一個董事人選就沒有辦法做審查嘛所以蠻奇怪的那我請教一下部長那你的意思是說你所提的這十個董事你都不會換就對了 |
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最近那個行政院已經發函給那個立法院希望他重新再產生八個審查委員所以董事你不會換嗎我董事絕對不會換因為你想想看我這每一個都是打電話他們都知道會被刪掉的可能性包括你剛才講李志凱 洪正銘我還跟李洋部長講 他很高興可是我說現在一直拖怎麼辦他說他們可以等 |
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所以你有跟他們講說現在這一種在立法院的環境裡面有可能會被刪掉就對了他們都知道會被刪但是他們願意所以為什麼每次講到這個時候我都覺得大家會把話題講到好像它是一個多麼好的工作它其實我幾乎都找不太到適合的人因為適合的人為什麼要來掛名還要寫報告然後被你刪掉你可以想這個過程是很難的好 |
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那所以呢這十種事不會換掉那現在你有這個請行政院在喊請立法院重新推舉這個審查委員已經發函給立法院那現在是這個程序進行到哪裡現在其實我對我來講我沒有退路啦我就等這個立法院派再重新產生八個委員和我們原來的七個委員再開 |
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那個會議我願意在這個過程中一個一個介紹給所有的委員因為剛才一直講政壇協商其實我有一直在做溝通包括剛才講第一屆去年12月31我也是溝通了很久每個人都寫報告報告寫得很詳細照樣被刷掉你想想看那個過程我怎麼再取信於那些 |
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那所以這八個審查委員基本上是由政黨來推薦嗎按照規定是政黨比例所以這八個委員裡面七個是國民黨一個是民眾黨就是這樣你們何時發函給立法院了 |
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5月5號吧 行政院發行政院發因為這個委員是由行政院提名的我們文化部始終扮演的是幕僚單位那應該是行政院他發函給立法院那請立法院國民黨跟民眾黨各提審查委員吧是不是5月5號就發這個函了那我們文化部就是等這個委員產生後我們就開始做幕僚會議那現在的公式咧現在的公式是沒有 |
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因為董事會沒辦法開會那也沒有董事長所以現在的公視怎麼辦不是 我剛才有一再強調公視它本身雖然是個特別法可是它也符合財短法人法它現在的董事長就是胡元輝嘛我一直覺得今天請胡元輝離開很荒謬 |
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我只是一下反應不過來怎麼會怎麼會請他走就像八個委員突然辭職我也是反應不過來他們本來八個委員是說希望會往後延我就延啊後來又來一個辭職我都覺得他不在我的思考裡面就是說為什麼會為什麼所以胡元輝董事長現在還是公正董事長他按照法律不然我們就走法律嘛看法律怎麼鑑定嘛司法怎麼鑑定嘛胡元輝董事長在嗎 |
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他在那邊那能不能請胡耀恩董事長過來胡耀恩董事長我邀請你過來 |
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因為現在是我的質詢的時間來,胡元威董事長,我邀請你 |
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我想胡董這一輩子都沒有過 他不曉得該怎麼辦了我非常同情他 因為他不曉得要來還是不來 那就繼續吧其實齁 從虎原董事長 從你的座位 然後到這個備群台這邊我覺得這個距離不長 但是我是覺得說你走過來 我自己感覺也蠻心酸的 |
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就是說其實立法院不應該這樣子粗暴來對待你啦我是這樣子認為那你因為尊重主席那但是也尊重我所以你選擇了慢慢這樣子走過來但是呢你也不到備詢台所以這其實是一個蠻荒謬的一個場景 |
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這段距離其實就代表了現在立法院一個荒謬的狀況不好意思時間已經到了但是我非常尊重您我給您超過五分鐘的時間我也覺得說應該多給你時間就像剛剛你們也能夠體諒我多給時間哇你剛才都講了大概二十分鐘那您要二十二分鐘不用再給我三分鐘就好 |
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我剛正在講他感性的時候你就這樣打斷了真的很抱歉不好意思因為我們今天還是有才事過了啦我知道啦我知道你的才事啦這樣委員這樣子的話那我們就休息謝謝不用休息啦我看後面委員都還在我也不願意耽誤他比較的時間啦我這邊就是 |
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響鐘 |
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現在宣布開始開會感謝我們昆城委員專業問政的資訊謝謝主席縣議委員等我一下在這邊也特別宣告那 |
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謝謝今天所有的出席委員大家辛苦了尤其我們在座所有的官員大家也非常辛苦那我想特別要跟這個胡謙董事長特別說一聲您辛苦了那我想許多的同仁喔都 |
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為你說話我們也都感受得到但我還是要跟您說聲抱歉請您體諒我們是依法質詢依法去進行所以無意冒犯那也希望你能夠體諒作為立法委員作為主席我們在執行依法的過程我相信您在私底下的敗會 |
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我也都是以禮相待全程協助但是來到了立法院我想很多事情我們都是要很認真的看待每一個細節今天我也要跟您特別的跟大會報告因為其實是有委員特別提醒是不是要用清場的部分我都跟他說不需要我是覺得說沒有必要那所以早上已經特別宣告 |
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那今天您還是坐在那邊我們都尊重基本的尊重一定會給但是也希望說所有的委員是不是能夠體諒一下不要多次的透過這樣子的一個方式讓我們主持會議的時候有所為難 |
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所以在這邊也做一個特別補充那我們早上的時候已經有宣告也希望大家能夠尊重主席的才事我們都希望能夠趕快順利的完成今天的相關的詢答早上清楚的就已經說明了因為程序發言有委員提出那因為剛好其他的委員沒有表達反對所以我們就做出了猜測 |
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主席您要再講嗎那我們下午要求程旭發言你也不讓我們發言這樣子主持一致就不公了啊對不對好我們現在就趕快讓質詢順利進行好不好謝謝委員那您也是直接就發言嘛那我們都尊重但我想我作為主席我們有一些話特別也要在大會正式開始之前特別宣告一下希望大家能夠互相體諒那我們下一位薰達的委員盧憲一盧委員 |
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應該是有泰雅布農 |
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不好意思 第一個就答錯了他主要的是布農族然後那邊是Carnavura、Rua跟南洲族就是現在的洲族那為什麼會這樣子特別提這個我們台灣走到現在這個時候都會認為說文化多元跟保障是我們現在台灣的價值 |
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可是我們每次都要提到我們的文化要復正 要產育要復正 技藝的嘗試要復正的時候我們文化部常常會用一句話就推開了也就是我們的文資身份的問題我們一直覺得原住民 |
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應該跟文化部、運動部或者是園民會最有相關可是像我們禮拜一召開了一個所謂的協調會那馬下部落文化景觀重塑祭壇改建計畫的時候我有邀請文化部列席結果呢文化部就說沒有文資身份所以我一直覺得文資身份這樣的一個主題是不是應該要再重新檢討因為他就會說他是要經過政府指定登錄以後才具有文資身份所以在 |
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尋求很多文化部的幫忙的時候很像就被一腳踢開我覺得這個部分應該是文化部要重新去檢討跟地方政府去檢討一下是不是以後再重建我們所謂的歷史產業的時候不要再將原住民推開因為一直認為說文化保存是要保存跟文化 文化財產嘛我們的目的是這樣要把具有歷史意識 |
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藝術 科學的這些價值把它活化出來我們知道有形有九相 無形有五相然後我一直在看它也是古蹟 它也是史蹟 它也是部落建築那為什麼會沒有這樣的一個身份呢所以我希望部長能夠把這件事情因為我知道早上委員有提到文資身份的問題我相信各縣市政府都會遇到這樣那是不是文資身份這樣的一個登錄 |
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是不是需要人力的培訓是不是需要更多的資金去預祝讓各縣市政府有這個能量去做這樣的事情是不是請部長再多加考量接下來有一個所謂的私有老建築保存再生計畫也就是前章計畫的這個八年裡面我們好不容易不用文資身份可以申請補助可是在我們 |
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看了以後249件的補助案件裡面跟原住民傳統家務的補助類是零所以我覺得好不容易可以跳脫文資身份的這個身份可以去申請的時候又得不到然後我們再看看各個地區沿鄉地區是僅補助14件 |
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那佔所有249件的5%左右然後它的縣市的分佈呢幾乎都沒有在我們屏東高雄這裡那我後來去看了以後宣傳的部分看一下說明會 |
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集中在鳳梨、花林、秀林、新城、吉安或者是其他縣市台中場或者是哪裡可是偏偏我們盧凱排灣居住的屏東也就是你只要一想到園住你都會想到高雄、屏東這樣的一個產業竟然沒有說明會也就是說看到得到這些補助的縣市沒有我們 |
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所以我才會雖然我知道可能這個經費已經沒有了可是在那個時候的宣傳是沒有到位那未來如果還有經費或者說文化部有跨年預算的話我希望不要再用說沒有文資身份然後文化部沒有錢這樣一個理由再把原住民一腳推開可以嗎 部長好 我們會檢討那我們屏東高雄的傳統家屋是石板屋我不知道部長有沒有去過 |
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我覺得那個蠻漂亮我說你有沒有實際去過那如果說有機會的話我希望能夠到屏東縣霧台鄉舊好茶聚落去嘗試一下體會一日遊因為那邊有確實有文化部補助的一個石板屋的一個落成那我去年的四月份也有過去去住 |
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那我覺得這樣子的一個補助是可以重振我們的文化以外也讓我們的年輕人知道我們過去是生活在什麼那個環境那因為這個補助好不容易就是有看到這樣一個很像是一個契機可是看到現在看到未來都沒有這方面的編列預算我想說是不是部長可以承諾我們在未來幾年有這方面的一個預算編列可以重振我們的家屋 |
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謝謝部長好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們盧憲毅委員的詢答下一位萬美玲萬美玲 萬美玲今天登記諮詢的委員均已發言完畢詢答結束另有徐欣怡 林倩琦 邱志偉 萬美玲委員提出素面答詢列入公報記錄請相關的機關以素面答覆 |
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| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
現在繼續審查文化資產保存法第4條第98條及第112條條文相關修正草案請議事人員宣讀條文內容修正動議及臨時提案請一併宣讀文化資產保存法第4條第98條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
另外與法案審查無關的列席機關代表可先行離席但麻煩人情保持安靜請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
文化資產保存法第四條第九十八條及第一百一十二條條文修正草案委員吳佩奕等委員劉建國等委員羅廷偉等委員郭益勤等委員約英之等委員萬美玲等提案第四條除第一項末行政院農業委員會以下簡稱農委會修正為農業部第二項末農委會修正為農業部外其餘未修正 |
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| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
委員吳佩奕等 委員劉建國等 委員羅廷瑋等委員郭怡婷等 委員葉元之等 委員萬美玲等提案修正第98條第二項除將農委會修正為農業部外其餘未修正 |
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| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
委員吳佩玉 等 委員劉建國 等 委員羅廷瑋 等 委員郭益勤 等 委員岳英之 等 委員萬美玲 等提案第112條除條文中農委會修正為農業部外其餘會修正修正動議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
第四條第一項後段淡疏修正為淡陸域含淡水水域之自然地景及自然紀念物中央主管機關為農業部海域之自然地景及自然紀念物中央主管機關為海洋委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
以下簡稱海委會第二項 默劇修正為由文化部、農業部或海委會會同有關機關決定之 其餘未修正第98條第二項 默劇將農委會修正為農業部及海委會其餘未修正第112條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
將農委會修正為農業部海委會其委修正提案人 羅廷偉 羅志強 柯志恩臨時提案略以提案要求文化部依結合史博館二代藝館及各公立美術館典藏之造二代作品文物資料等資源進行整合性研究以推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
30932.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
30959.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
並沿旅於史博館辦理典藏特展請於兩週內提出初步規劃方向之書面報告協調二 協調二代藝館結構補強工程相關執行單位舉辦公開座談會邀請遭二代家屬後代等利害關係人出席溝通並就後續營運規劃及時廣益提案人羅廷偉 羅志強 柯志恩宣讀完畢 |
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30962.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
好我們先休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
31204.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
好現在開會我們先處理會議時間下午會議時間繼續進行至本日議程處理完畢那現場的委員有沒有意見 |
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31247.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
31258.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
好那我們就處理到本日的議程處理完畢為止現在進行逐條審查第四條條文修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
有委員吳佩義等18人委員劉建國等16人委員羅廷偉等16人委員郭育晴等18人委員葉元志等21人委員萬美玲等17人等6個提案以及委員羅廷偉等3人所提的修正動議請問提案的委員有無補充說明或意見好 那本席有提修正動議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
那包括我所補充的本法所稱主管機關在中央為文化部在直轄市為直轄市政府在縣市為縣市政府但陸域含淡水水域之自然地景及自然紀念物中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
主管機關為農業部海域之自然地景及自然紀念物中央主管機關為海洋委員會以下簡稱海委會簽條鎖定各類別的文化資產得經審查後以系統性的或複合型之形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
指定或登錄如涉及不同主管機關管轄者其文化資產保存之策劃及共同事項之處理由文化部頓豪農業部或海委會會同有關機關決定之請問機關代表有無補充說明請問文化部請局長念一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
文字局補充說明一下就是在文化資產保存法裡面所提到的這個自然地景跟自然紀念物它的海域就剛才召委所提到的在行政院在107年4月27號的時候就已經有公告了並且在就是由這個已經協調好了就是海域的部分是由這個海域 |
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| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
是由那個海洋委員會但是陸域跟那個淡水海域的話就是由農業部就是原來的農委會所以也就是剛才趙委所提的那個內容方向是一致的好 謝謝內容方向一致那農業部呢有沒有什麼意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
謝謝趙偉 謝謝各位委員還有謝謝文化部 我們沒有意見 謝謝好 謝謝 海委會蘇專門委員謝謝趙偉那我們海委會在108年底就已經有接辦海域的自然地形自然紀念物所以海委會的意見跟文化部相同 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
31441.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
好 謝謝好 以上機關代表補充說明都已經說明完畢好 我們有請國勤委員好 這次我提的這個版本主要是因這個行政院組織改造那特別把這個文字保存法裡面原本就是行政院的農業委員會改為這個農業部那讓法條的內容跟現行的一個政府的組織是一致的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
那另外像院版已經進一步把這個海委會的這個權責也一起納入那讓這個海域跟陸域的分工會更加的清楚也比較符合現在的一個實際執行的一個狀況那這邊也支持這個就是部會提出的這個版本那這次的修法看起來是名稱的調整但事實上也把整個所有的實際治理的一個架構也一起法制化那讓未來的這個文資保存的這個權限可以更加的明確好以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
好 謝謝 謝謝委員的發言那第四條 趙委員 羅廷偉等三人所提修正動議通過第九十八條 條文修正有委員吳佩義等十八人等六個提案以及委員羅廷偉等三人所提修正動議請問提案委員在場委員有沒有補充說明請問機關代表有無補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
31501.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
31524.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
好那不好意思因為我的部分我也有提那這個部分我的第98條的修正動議那也想問一下我們機關這邊有沒有意見好那這個部分喔 |
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31553.16 |
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機關代表已經有說明無意見那就決議第98條照委員羅廷偉等三人所提修正動議通過謝謝第112條條文修正有委員吳佩儀等18人等六個提案以及委員羅廷偉等三人所提修正動議請問提案委員在場委員有沒有補充說明或者是意見的 |
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31558.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
31579.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
好那我個人不好意思吳佩儀委員請發言這次的修法因為我有提案版本然後前面兩條剛剛都已經修正通過那主要就是把農業部跟海委會放進來那我們也希望未來這個文化資產的抱春精神這個文化部雖然是這個主管機關但我們也希望相關的部會大家可以一起來協作跟協力好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
31580.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
31590.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
好 謝謝吳備議委員的發言那因為我個人也有提修正動議想請問一下機關代表有無補充說明有沒有什麼意見沒有都OK嗎好那我們第112條趙委員羅廷偉等三人所提修正動議通過謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
31628.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
文化資產保存法第4條第98條第112條條文修正相關的修正草案已審查完略請問是否需交由黨團協商請問我們在座的委員本案不須交由黨團協商可以嗎好那我們就決議本案不須交由黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
31633.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
31657.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
在不影響條文的文藝前提下文字條次及標點符號為統一體力我們授權議事人員整理列入紀錄現在先處理臨時提案今天本席提出臨時提案即一案請問委員或各位委員有無補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
31662.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
31688.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
好 那臨時提案的部分 跟大家特別報告有鑒於趙二呆為台灣戰後之重要藝術家史博館典藏百餘件作品澎湖二呆藝館典藏一千五百餘件作品橫跨水墨書法 素描西畫 鑽刻雕塑以及陶藝版畫攝影 詩集文 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
31689.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
31710.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
等11項領域文化部114年補助澎湖縣政府2318萬課陣辦理二呆一館的結構補強空間改善工程應將場館視為藝術家為遺留的重要作品之一而非僅是一般工程修繕有建於文化部啟動重建台灣藝術史計畫對我國 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
31713.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
31742.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
未來藝術發展聲援的影響避免集中單一主流的論述而更能包容多元 多層次 多流動台灣文化主體性兼具深度與廣度讓長期沉寂並被遺忘的重要藝術家重新能夠被看見所以提案要求文化部一 結合史博館 二代藝館及公立美術館典藏之 招二代作品 文物展覽 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
31743.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
31768.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
資料等資源進行整合性的研究推廣規劃並研擬史博館辦理典藏特展請於兩周內提出初步的規劃方向及書面報告二 協調二代藝館結構補強工程相關執行單位於工程動工前舉辦公開座談會邀請照二代家屬後代等利害關係人出席溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
31770.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
31798.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
為整修工程預定進度表具體做法事宜以確保藝館外觀藝術價值完成結構安全補強並就後續營運規劃及時廣益請問現場機關有沒有什麼要補充的同意好那機關無異見對不起你有舉手嗎抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
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謝謝主席我只是因為趕過來就是要補充意見當然當然雖然剛才 吳釗緯補充意見對 剛才已經那個但是我就是要補充說我的修法意見跟文化部的意見一致好 那也請幫我們列入公報吳釗緯剛剛的發言紀錄謝謝主席好 那無意見我們召喚通過臨時提案處理完畢 |
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31826.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
31849.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
關於本日會議做如下決議報告集群談完畢對於委員會所質詢的要求提供相關的資料未及答覆的時刻我要請相關機關盡速以書面答覆115年度中央政府總預算有關文化部及所屬單位預算案直轄市縣市政府一般性補助款文化部主管部分預算案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
31878.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
國立文化機構作業基金及文化發展基金附屬單位預算案115年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心文化內容設計院國家電影視聽文化中心預算案相關預算提案請於6月10日中午12時提出另訂起審查文化資產保存法第4條第98條及第112條條文相關修正草案已全部審查完略並按你 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
據審查報告提請院會公決不須交由黨團協商院會討論時由羅召集委員庭委補充說明報告委員會今日議程處理完畢現在散會 |