| IVOD_ID |
17416 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17416 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-06T14:00:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-06T16:54:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:53:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373de2c43aff6c47feb9e841330074c844f992d343e5acb26cebb71bb93fdc73992f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-06T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：(5月6日下午2時30分至5時30分)
一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院主管行政院國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位
預算案。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會主管科學園區管理局作業基
金附屬單位預算案。
四、審查115年度行政法人國家災害防救科技中心預算案。
五、審查115年度行政法人國家太空中心預算案。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案請於5月28日中午12時前提出】【5月6日及7日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:00:19 - 16:54:00 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會本日會議下午一成四審查一百一十五年度中央政府總因算有關科學及技術委員會及所屬的單位預算案行政院國家科學技術辦資金及科學園區管理局作業基金附屬單位預算案 |
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審查115年度行政法人國家災害防救科技中心及國家太空中心預算案請進行詢答相關預算案請於5月28日中午12時提出預時不予受理首先介紹在場的委員我們現場陳佩玉委員 |
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接著介紹與會的官員國家科學及技術委員會主任委員兼國家太空中心董事長吳承文吳主任委員副主任委員林法正副主任委員陳秉宇副主任委員兼國家災害防救科技中心董事長蘇政剛 |
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新竹科學園區管理局局長胡世明中部科學園區管理局許茂興局長南部科學園區管理局鄭秀龍局長行政法人國家災害防救科技中心陳鴻宇主任 |
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行政法人國家太空中心吳宗信主任財政法人國家實驗研究院蔡宏銀院長謝謝財政法人國家同步輻射研究中心徐家宏主任行政院主計處公務預算處 |
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王千凱專門委員其餘列席的機關代表請參閱名單不再逐一介紹並列入我們這一次的公報記錄校會議材一併報告綜合詢答現在進行報告請國家科學及技術委員會吳承文主任委員報告報告時間六分鐘 |
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主席各位委員大家好感謝各位委員對科技發展的重視與支持今天很榮幸出席立法院教育及文化委員會報告國會115年度預算編列情形還請不吝指教當前國際局勢變遷快速面對地緣政治競合科技是確保國家安全與提升社會韌性的關鍵 |
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國科會以跨域整合協作角色進行國家科技佈局以下報告115年預算的投入重點首先 |
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统合资源跨域布局聚焦前瞻科技国科会已提出国家科学技术发展计划拨画未来四年的科技发展蓝图并协同经济部卫福部等部位共同落实今年将启动研拟科学技术白皮书实现智慧创新民主任性打造均衡台湾的目标 |
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115年度整体科技预算编列1665亿元投入重点包括AI计算力精创台湾方案智慧机器人太空科技等以回应未来的关键议题国发会国科会经济部与塑化部等合力规划AI新十大建设国科会组织全民智慧生活圈 |
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量子科技智慧机器人主权AI计算力等建设跨部会投入AI应用与交通医疗等关键场域落地115年延续精创台湾方案将AI晶片与各种跨领域应用深度结合把晶片优势转化为整体产业的竞争力 |
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在少子化及高齡化的趋势下,国科卫、经济部与塑化部等部会合作,提出智慧机器人产业推动方案,为劳动力需求提供解方。今年4月成立国家智慧机器人研究中心,从产业生态系建立、治安及标准法规制定、人才培育及应用推广等面向。 |
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全面提升台湾在全球智慧机器人产业的竞争力福卫8号首颗卫星齐柏林已于去年11月29日成功发射并于今年1月起展开正式取向任务预计在2031年完成高解析度光学摇测卫星星系的部件 |
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第二,深耕基礎研究,培育人才,关怀社会。基礎研究往往是未来创新突破的基石。115年度,国科会整体编列427亿元,稳定支持学研界长期投入科研,并鼓励对社会民生具有重大影响力的研究。 |
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也扩大西手技职校院及私立大学在既有的技专计划扩增跨域实作的类型共同培育产业及社会所需的实务人才在人才培育方面国科会以向下扎根的理念扩大科普教育的推广去年十月底发车的科普环岛列车以新增南回线的站点 |
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支援普及更多偏鄉学生及多元族群今年也将在科研合作协议的基础上持续结盟国际伙伴吸引国内外优秀年轻人留台发展并进一步扩及产业合作共创双赢局面 |
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去年行政院生技产业策略之意委员会BTC聚焦探讨AI科技与生意结合,以于去年底促成台湾健康网络平台公司的成立,满足在宅医疗的发展趋势。 |
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第三,推动科学园区均衡发展科学园区114年营业额达到5.8兆元再创历史新高有赖于AI应用加速渗透预期今年科学园区全年营业额也渴望稳健成长另外,南科沙伦生态科学园区筹设计划已于去年12月获行政院核定 |
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将以生态先行的理念续办开发计划并结合大南方信息股推动方案以台南沙伦为核心串联嘉义、台南、高雄、屏东等地区成为半导体S囊带构建以AI为核心的产业生态系 |
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最後想要說明115年度預算編列情形國會主管預算編列793億元比去年增加108億元主要用於補充行政院科發基金補助國研院太空中心以及補助評科、家科、高科等實驗中學建設計畫 |
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科发基金预算编列534亿元比去年增加39亿元主要增列于基础研究以及新增大南方信息股推动方案等计划园区作业基金编列总支出214亿元在固定资产投资编列284亿元办理园区的新设扩建及公共建设改善等业务 |
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科技预算是国家战略投资国科会将持续投入前瞻科技确保台湾未来在国际竞争中更坚韧更繁荣以上报告恳请委员鼎力支持并敬祝各位委员平安顺心健康快乐谢谢 |
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好謝謝我們吳主委的報告器官代表報告完畢相關書面資料請各位參閱並列入公報記錄現在進行巡打 |
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應登記的人比較多那討論預算提案仍可充分的表達意見所以每位委員出席的委員諮詢是6分鐘那列席的委員諮詢的時間為4分鐘均不再延長發言登記的截止時間為下午3點半 |
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委員如果有臨時提案請於下午三點半提出並於本會委員羅廷偉質詢結束前進行處理處理提案時若提案的委員連署委員均不在場照原晚定是不處理首先請登記第一位陳培育委員委員質詢 |
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好 陳委員我待會不會站起來您可以暢所欲言謝謝主席因為我早上很準時各位長官你們不知道我們早上發生了什麼事情謝謝主席 謝謝但我還會去努力掌握這時間內來 有請國科會主委 謝謝謝謝主委 |
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好主委我們來看第一張我今天早上看到這個新聞我有點嚇一跳我打了很多的問號因為風傳媒說你們國客會說叫台積電踢公司踢公司自己蓋電廠我怎麼看都不覺得這個是國客會講出來的話我就在這裡公開要請主委說說看到底發生了什麼事情在這樣的場合裡頭來 |
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謝謝陳委員我們很遺憾就是昨天我們林副主委的答詢的時候其實是沒有這樣講那我必須再澄清一下就是說我們在開發科學園區的時候基於產業的需求我們一定是跟地方政府合作努力來規劃新的這個園區那在規劃要開發之前一定是水電 |
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的這個需求一定會先把它納入規劃當中一定會先滿足才會進行園區的開發並不會說事先就要請將來可能進駐的廠商一定要去自己蓋電廠這個事情從來不會發生那未來我們在這個生態 |
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保育在這個廢棄物的處理不管是廢水廢棄的那個固態廢棄等等我們都有非常嚴格的法規一定會遵循法規所以我們現在研究的開發比以前更嚴謹 |
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未來的這個園區一定是符合人民的這個期待謝謝委員給我們這個機會好謝謝主委因為我怎麼看都覺得怎麼怪而且我非常感謝主委剛提到關於環保的部分環境的部分還有在地人民的疑慮然後如何協助廠商把水電都做好因為我知道其實過去這段時間主委自己也南下非常多次親自跟居民對談跟廠商對談主委我們繼續努力好我們來看下一個 |
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好,最近上一個禮拜發生了這個RESCON被中國打壓的事情呢這個實際上是真的有人就說出來來下一張中國要求尚比亞排除台灣的倡議人士然後尚比亞實在是受不了這個壓力了所以他們就決定停辦 |
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今年的活動我不確定主委有沒有看到這個新聞那當然過去去年是由抒發部來下一張是由抒發部來協助相關的與會人士到台灣來的時候相關的簽證相關的行政工作但是今年很可惜在上帝亞這邊就沒有辦法辦了那我們就在想 |
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假設台灣想要繼續主張我們對整個數位人權在世界上我們是持續有貢獻而且我們可以持續發聲協助數位人權在台灣這個領域裡面更加的有積極性的主動性甚至來對抗中國的抵押我在想我們有沒有機會來爭取後續的主辦權 |
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所以我們來找了法規範來下一張智慧國家2.0綱領裡頭第4點提到智慧共榮談的是強化數位人權跟人才培育剛好也跟行政院智慧國家2.0推動小組的設置要點裡面呢有一個是國科會還有科技辦 |
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可能可以做的相关事情是跟这个有关当然主委你不用急着承诺我我只是在想面对数位人权这个议题尤其是我们台湾去年黄杰委员还有沈伯扬委员都有应邀出席演讲我们到底有没有机会来做这个事情所以我想来下一张我是不是就简单的拜托国科会有没有机会跟术发部聊一聊我们内部先讨论一下 |
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我们有没有机会向SSNOW来争取为Lyrescom的主办国在台湾跟全世界发声共同来倡议数位人权有没有机会做这个内部的讨论先来主委谢谢国科会谢谢陈委员国科会跟这个速发部还有国发会我们其实是共同来协助行政院来推动这个智慧国家2.0 |
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那在政府院長主持之下我相信我們幾個部位來討論這個議題是蠻恰當的那也很認同陳委員的這個建議台灣其實這兩天正在舉辦我們的那個台灣治安大會 |
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這台灣治安大會其實也吸引了非常多我們民主國家國際的這個友人到台灣來參加那我們各個國家駐台的代表也非常勇於的這個出席所以以台灣的這個科技的實力我相信是可以來主辦這樣的這個會議的 |
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我想我们就希望国科会有机会把它纳入下一次在行政院开相关会议的相关议程好不好谢谢主委好谢谢下一个我想就再次跟主委提醒关于主权AI的部分我知道国科会还有书发部已经积极在努力了那因为我之前也说了很多那主委也积极的承诺不论是在人工智慧特别战略委员会里头我们会把内容产业纳入但我想时间有限我就不再赘述我直接切到有一张来下一张再下一张再下一张下一张 |
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好就這個其實國科會有贊助非常多研究案對不對但是這些研究案的研究成果其實它有非常多的本地性跟特殊的文化性它其實某一個部分代表某一個狀態下的台灣我在想未來我們在組織這些AI語料的時候有沒有機制跟辦法 |
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把這些接受政府補助出資或委託單位的研究成果納入主權AI訓練資料的使用範圍當然我知道需要一些談授權的時間談合作的可能跟相關的機制那我不會立刻要求但是我希望國科會內部可以啟動這個研議可不可以請主委或是副主委就突然跑出來你要不要回答一下 |
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還是你們誰要回答都可以謝謝陳委員這個方向是我們現在努力的方向我們其實是很鼓勵我們的學界這個研究的成果要廣泛的使用於我們的AI系統讓大家可以看得到而不是據為己有怕人家知道對 |
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那這個是對學者也有益對社會也有益的我們會鼓勵他們勇敢的捐出捐出他們的研究的成果讓我們納入國家主權AI的餘料庫好那因為每個人應該都經驗過國科會申請補助也許在相關規範裡頭我們可能從現在開始就必須要把這個相關規範跟機制寫下來讓更多學者專家在申請補助研究案的時候心裡有數知道未來他的研究成果可能會被納入主權AI訓練資料授權範圍 |
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我們朝這個方向努力再來最後一題關於國家科普獎跟科普論壇我們也認為國科會應該有相關的角色我先給主委一個數字去年台灣網路研究調查報告發現在AI使用的情況下大部分台灣民眾是呈現高自信低行動什麼意思呢大家都用很開心而且都告訴別人我真的會用我很會用我很愛用可是用完之後可能都沒有去做查證的 |
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台湾来台湾下一张 |
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台灣如果再做相關的研究調查會發現大部分的人幾乎每一個禮拜都會看一到三次的網路跟網紅創作者所分享的科普知識也就是說科普的領域已經到網路上很久很久了從泛科學也好從怪奇事物所從樹幹實驗室我相信主委你都知道 |
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而这些人他们在民间所做的努力我们非常感谢他们我现在在想有没有一个可能只问你听听看回到科技基本法第13条主管机关推广科学知识普及化的精神过去我们有吴大友科学奖我们有国科会对学校教授的鼓励跟补助那但是对我来说如果一般人 |
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他不喜歡看吳大友的或者是不喜歡看國科會教授研究的結果很生硬這些知識科普的民間專家學者民間好朋友們網路創作者我們有沒有機會跟他們進行一個鼓勵或者是什麼機制讓他們的作品被看見然後是國家的角度跟他們合作來 諸位 |
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谢谢陈委员的建议我想这是一个蛮有意义的方向我们会邀请相关的科普的研究的学者我们一起来研究是不是可以成立这样的一个奖项谢谢委员好那我就提到最后一张因为现在要审预算了 |
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那相關預算提案我們再跟國科會討論好 |
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謝謝主委 謝謝主席 謝謝好 謝謝陳培宇委員非常精準的質詢那我們下一位格魯金委員 |
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謝謝最睿智的主席有請最睿智的吳主委好有請主委各位人好主委好今天的議程是運算詢答那本席相信在這個AI時代沒有人會不支持國科會的科技預算那但是身為民意代表我們還是要確保資源投到關鍵的需求上這就是Check Balance那我們要關心的就是算力 |
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根據國科會目前的規劃解釋去年底台灣的AI算力是5.1MW當然有新開幕的東西逐漸跟上但是到2029年預估是23MW我想這樣的規模真的是難以跟上全球AI競賽的速度我們也都整理好我相信國科會的同仁也都整理過美國的新聞雖然現在有一直變形當中大概談的是7GW跟10GW |
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Meta的單一AI資料中心是2GW起跳會先蓋一個1GW印度的Google AI Hub的低階段是1GW長期目標要到5GW法國跟阿聯現在也在規劃1GW等級我想這個我們都很清楚為什麼?我們台股一直漲就是因為沒有台灣的製造業沒有我們台灣這些最優秀的企業 |
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什麼瓦都蓋不出來啦我們這要很驕傲但是我們也希望可以大家一起來努力各國在拼 算力中心的建設為什麼因為這就是國力 算力就是國力全球現在都在變得更聰明但是我們的智力增長卻可能只有別人的千分之一這樣的未來 主也覺得不可怕嗎 |
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那現在就是誰能夠取得更多的算力誰能夠預先破壞更多的算力誰就有可能可以掌握所謂的推論所謂的運算的未來的世界那算力這麼重要大家都在搶啦那一直價格在變 |
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2025年10月每GPU每小時以H100來講我們也幫主委都算好了2025年的10月平均H100一小時大概是1.7美元到2026年3月份同樣一顆同樣一張H100變成2.35美元漲幅40%整個產業的需求量是在衝上來的我自己也在要去調那個B200雲端的算力也調不到全球大缺貨 |
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建好的資料中一建好全部都賣掉了我想這個大家都很清楚國客會一定比我更清楚我們不需要再問主委說Megawatt Gigawatt差異我想你也很清楚那我們只規劃2029的23MW的算益跟國外相比差千倍甚至以後要到萬倍這樣的落差真的可以因應我們台灣未來的需求嗎 |
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报告委员,其实委员的观点是很对,但是刚刚委员提到这些国外的大的算力中心的建筑,全部都是民间企业,那我们国客会的投入是为了我们的学界科技研发,但是我们可以跟委员承诺, |
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只要是那个产业的发展我们吸引产业进来投资台湾的产业也已经开始在启动了所以将来的比较绝对不是国科会跟这几个国际的大厂的比较是台湾的民间企业也会同步的投入 |
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那投入以後國會如果我們的這個應用的需求增加的話上次委員也有提到Token是不是可以補助我們的確會補助主委我給你教了兩件事第一個剛才陳培宇委員在這裡就是說 |
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我們不能把這個責任轉嫁到外部我們不能講說什麼踢公司要有店要自己來不是這個意思我們也不能講說我們台灣未來要需要企業自己來我只是列了企業做例子那我就問這些企業美國政府有沒有跟他們採購服務 |
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有嘛美國要打伊朗有沒有採用AI的服務有嘛所以民間的算力我們國家我們政府要不要關心要嘛我們會關心算加起來的數量老實說還是有一個量級差距啦我想這個你知我知我們也不用在這裡爭執這個我真的是希望我們要早一點來撥話這個是國會主委的權利也是您的責任 |
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那我們不吵架 我們也不爭執 我們一起來努力兩個方案我想提供給主委參考第一個 早期投資 投資算力這個國外的算力中心 其實都離不開我們的半導體供應鏈川普都講了啦 90%就是因為台灣 |
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那既然我們每天都在往外去幫助這些企業建設算力中心的時候比如說有人要建2GW我們可不可以從國家的層級來去跟他們講說我們給你預購我們給你打折我們給你技術人才的交流還是我們也可以付錢我們可以共建我們可以Join Venture我們用各種的形式你本來就要蓋2GW |
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東西都從台灣過去的我們多過去一點好不好2.2GW你0.2我們要不要分一半或是用什麼樣的一個方式我們有沒有機會在各國我認為接下來兩到三年就是算力中心大建設的時期啦那這個過程如果我們過了這個村沒有那個店喔都蓋好了預購也都預購完了傾銷一空我們要台灣說 |
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哎呀都是從我們台灣出去的我應該要那時候跟他談一些下來沒有做這件事要再去談沒有啊已經全部搶光了所以這個我是很希望能夠跟出來有沒有從這個角度可以去思考謝謝委員非常前瞻的這種策略但是因為我們的公務預算的編列其實是相當 |
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是需要受到我們立法院還有各種法規但是我們的國網中心的確現在跟民間的業者包含國外不是只有國內有在談算力聯盟我們現在正在草擬合作的方式好 這個很棒因為分散式的去中心的算力詞加上國家級的協談 |
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顧到我們的資料主權這個我覺得是一個非常重要的方向我們也理解涉及的層面會比較廣不會只有國科會包括經濟部包括國發會包括整個行政院可能都要參與進來但是這也正是AI基本法當中要求要設AI戰略委員會的原因那這部分真的是懇請懇請我就在這裡拜託主委 |
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競速可以跟卓院長還有其他部會更多一點討論這個部分邀集去召開戰略的委員會因為您有在籌備嘛國會會是幕僚機關這個我覺得投資算力分散式的算力只是一個非常重要的議題會影響我們中華民國影響我們台灣的競爭力未來五年十年好不好這個主委勇於承擔啊是謝謝委員謝謝還有第二塊這剛剛那個是中期中長期啦還有第二塊是 |
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短期可以做的 而且要搶時間我們應該要叫M公司啦 收購另外一間M公司結果啊 這個中國大陸啊 腦筋不清楚啦不夠聰明啦 給人家切斷 說這個人才不準 |
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這個不聰明啦我們台灣聰明我跟主委分享因為Meta在蓋算力中心的時候本來就有計劃有一部分的算力要給他本來要併購的這個服務Manage使用現在這個併購沒有了Meta也已經說要撤銷了這個算力空了他自己可能短時間內不一定找得到用途也不一定找得到人接手 |
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這個我相信也是我們台灣的企業在背後有很多的機房隨人正在做做好了誰要他們說不定現在也很著急所以有沒有機會呢早一點的來討論這個算力我們可不可以台灣來 |
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來承接台灣來使用採購算力有可能像剛剛提到國防中心啦海外的啦或許沒有那麼複雜這已經在那邊了國歌會說不定可以先動起來因為你們是幕僚的角度 |
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如果能夠確保的話會是最好蓋好了就像什麼買現場票都是最貴的我們能夠預購可能是最好的賴總統去年底又才講了算力及國力我們大家支持這個預算充足的彈藥因為大部分的經費可能都在國會會也有在討論所以這個部分有沒有機會去加速一點去探討有沒有機會不只要搶人搶錢還要搶算力有沒有機會來討論一下 |
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當然Meta也是台灣的非常重要的客戶我相信我們的產業界也會利用所有可能的機會跟這些客戶來合作委員的觀點是很好過了這個村沒有那個店一閃即逝我相信很多的幕僚同仁應該都很清楚我們能動作的話早一點動作這個是黃仁勳先生的AI五層蛋糕 |
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那我們晶片很強可是我們能源不夠基礎設施不夠沒有主權模型沒有應用其實我們會動不起來那第一層的這個最底層的能源其實我們可以看到要改善了像現在我們有看到說要預購這個能源那我想說這個我們算力的這個能源的不足會不會也是我們的算力到2029年規劃只有到23MW的原因這個請主委可不可以回覆一下 |
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我們並不是因為這個原因是因為這個需求端是在學術研究那將來如果這個需求增加我們還是會應用到民間所以民間還是繼續在建置並沒有因為這個原因所我們國科會不應該只管學術研究啦足科科學園區的指導單位是不是國科會科學園區的廠商企業需不需要算力企業要不要智慧轉型要嘛但是我們那個雲端 |
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所以不要講說我們只要雇研究人員夠用就好了啦我覺得也是不夠啦企業的補助支持是在經濟部那國科會會協助經濟部來編列相關的預算所以民間的投資是持續在增加的 |
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所以我想這個所有的剛剛的蛋糕全面是環環掛鉤我們是種菜的農夫我們自己種了很多的菜我們做了很棒的晶片結果通通被批發市場買走我們自己要吃的菜都沒有留下來最後在算力的世界算力的農場算力的市場裡我們自己沒有菜自己餓肚子這可能不像話所以我相信主委也非常非常的關注所以整體來講我們希望要能夠 |
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預購這個方向有可能可以早一點來討論因為錯過這個機會就沒有了這個如果能做好我覺得三件事情可以做到第一個 國家安全 |
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沒有人不願意支持國家安全就跟我們沒有人會不支持國科會的預算是一樣的第二個教育與科研的公平我很謝謝主委已經開始積極的在研議給科研人員不管是國外的學者來台灣有AI Token的誘因國內的很棒的研究學者 |
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去用AI做更好的研究做得很棒的我們也給他一些Token的補助我們這個教育部剛跟我們算是有一個很好的一個合作啦就是教育部推出管管有AI已經通過年底在他們的這個國立圖書館會有免費的付費版AI軟體國科會有沒有機會來推一個人人有Token的計畫我的科研以前是什麼教授在學校裡做實驗不用擔心沒有電 |
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不用擔心沒有水不用擔心沒有網路可是現在還要擔心什麼沒有Token我們現在已經會補助了所以那個不是說還在研擬不是已經可以補助了對啦 因為我們聽說5月8號會有完整的資料嘛是不是 是嗎但是我現在先跟委員報告預告預告現在已經沒有問題了沒有問題了那可能補助沒有問題了這一點我也替全國的科研人員跟國科會主委說謝謝 |
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這個我覺得速度就真的很重要那我們有一些地方是國際級的驕傲90% 晶片 機房沒有台灣 沒有AI但是我們不能自己種菜自己沒有蔬菜吃主委真的一定要顧到我們自己的肚子 |
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當然這是分工我們也理解主委不能一個人決定整件事但是主委的角色絕對很重要國客會的角色絕對很重要算力充足對未來的國家競爭力非常重要我套一句黃蘭薰先生講的Buy more save more你買越多你就節省越多這是他的廣告詞我的廣告詞是什麼Buy earlier |
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BE STRONGERBUY EARLIERBE STRONGERBUY EARLIERBE STRONGER你不早一點買大家都蓋好了我說台灣不夠抱歉2029我才23MW別人是2000對不對2GW我要再說你分我一點沒有人要分了大家都在蓋TERAFAB了所以我想這個主委我們一起來努力好不好相關的想法計畫我們一定支持我們一起來討論可以嗎好謝謝委員好謝謝主委 |
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好謝謝葛軍委員的詢問麻煩葛委員接下來有請羅廷偉召委質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席我們有請國科會吳主委請國科請國科會主委人文及社會科學研究發展處黃處長好 請處長被質詢謝謝綜合規劃處賴副處長好財團法人國家實驗研究所院長蔡院長研究院蔡院長 謝謝好 請相關官員被質詢謝謝 |
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好 主委晚安 午安這週母親節不曉得你還有沒有印象4月8號國科會的業務報告當時我有向主委提出申請生產計畫延長計分年限的女性計畫主持人跟沒有申請生產計畫延長計分年限的女性計畫主持人計畫通過率有什麼差別 |
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一個月過去了,數據還沒看到,請問這數據什麼時候可以提供?我請中會處,我們中會處來回答 |
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跟委員說明也謝謝委員提醒那之前我們其實對於這樣的一個統計數據並沒有特別去注意到那因為今年的計畫目前還在審查中那所以我們目前依照那個委員之前所提示的那我們也先去統計了目前近三年的一些通過率那 |
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經過統計目前就是如果有申請就是女性支持措施那計劃通過率大概近三年是60%那這個跟目前的那個大批的這個58%的這個通過率相比大概相接應該算是接近所以是相對的穩定以上說明所以您覺得這樣子的一個數據所提供的一個趨勢就是沒有很大的影響是嗎 |
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應該是說透過這樣的一個支持措施之後那女性的這些計畫主持人他們針對這個計畫的這個通過可能是應該是跟一般的大批通過是比較接近的接近跟得上的是好 |
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我希望這個數據能夠現在是沿用這三年的這個數據而已嘛對不對那我還是希望說後續能夠有一定的規範把這個SOP做好能夠持續的這個統計這個過程因為支持女性的情況之下我覺得這個數據是很值得關注的有申請女性相關的這個計劃 |
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生產計畫延長的積分年限跟沒有申請我覺得大家多多少少會不會因為後續的一些育兒之類的有所讓他更加的辛勞這部分值得我們關注好非常謝謝張偉的提議那張偉這個看法我們其實非常認同除了已經統計出來過去三年的這個數字之外我們後續會持續來關注關注這個數字看好 |
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有沒有發生變化因為我們想知道究竟這個對已懷孕跟想懷孕的女性計畫主持人有沒有幫助啦是這個部分上才會關注這個議題那國科會今天在書面報告有一個標題也寫啊 |
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支持女性研究人才完善性別平等的科研環境代表國科會也很重視我們女性科研人才的一個議題所以我才會拋出來這個問題所涉及到的科研環境性別友善還有重要的一個政策基礎所以請國科會還是要儘速的將這個相關的一些數據也好相關的一些研究啊 趨勢啊會或是不是能夠提供這些資料給我們 |
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我們這個今年的計畫正在審查當中審查結束我們再統計把完整的資料會送給我好請儘速完成那我想因為如果數據有影響的話或許我們才能盡快的去討論或修正現行的這些政策怎麼樣才符合國科會說的支持女性科研人才完善性別平等的這個科研環境我想這個都是符合你們的一個本身的政策再者延續上週AI研究倫理的一個議題 |
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上週陳秉諭副主委有回覆用AI生成的一個文字國際旗開目前是不接受投稿的所以不接受投稿的一個前提是它是AI生成的文字至於要如何證明它是AI生成或是AI改寫國科會目前有什麼措施嗎好這一部分我請我們陳副主委來回答 |
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其實這一部分我們還是會回歸到審查的機制來做處理那因為有一些AI所生成的文字說實在如果你的這個撰寫的這個PI他如果沒有自己好好的寫過其實看起來是蠻容易看得出來的在目前的情況下但是自己目測啦我們還希望說藉助科學的力量 |
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所以那一天中研院彭信坤副院長說只要文章送來中研院就有一套系統可以查出它是AI生成或是AI改寫的這套系統那麼厲害國科會要不要考慮向中研院借來試試看現在這個準確度其實還不是非常高所以我們當然期待說你說它準確度不高 |
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目前全世界發展這種工具準確度要做到很高還是相當困難所以我們還是需要一些專家的判斷所以副院長跟我講的那麼厲害的一個研究我想說你也不想使用你也覺得說不是不想使用它只是一個工具我們還是需要專家來判斷不會只仰賴那個工具就定人家的生死 |
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那下次我也會再把您這句話跟中研院副院長跟他講我可以跟中研院院長討論啦是可以啦沒有問題啦跟他講一下你覺得說不能夠仰賴科技啦還是要請專家去研究一下科技還是要一直不斷進步當作我們更好的工具啦這個還要再努力要不要參考一下國科衛加中研院加起來又有AI的輔助又有專業人 |
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因為兩個都一起並計算那個中委院也要申請國科會計劃啦一樣我們都在支持啦好啦那你要給他建議啦是是你們教學相長啦好不好謝謝張委員如果今天有人說某人的研究是AI生成的欸 諸位那我們有沒有能力去做一個檢查 查驗如果他被誣陷怎麼辦啊我們 |
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不僅是AI啦 各種地方都有可能被誣陷如果發生問題我們國科會這邊就是有學術倫理委員會會來處理相信委員會的專業還是要專家進來幫忙 |
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好啦那不管是AI或者是專業人才啦我們還是希望任何能夠幫忙協助釐清的一些方法我們都盡量去使用看看讓他能夠有多元的一個處理管道然後也可以讓被檢查的人多安心一些好不好這個部分特別拜託一下好那第二個是我們要特別要麻煩綜合規劃處的這個賴副處長 |
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人文及社會科學還有發展處的黃處長還有蔡鴻銘院長好黃處長蔡院長賴副處長2021年太空發展法三讀通過宣示台灣正朝向太空的發展請問三位台灣第一顆人造衛星叫什麼名字哪時候發射跟誰合作這個太空中心也有太空中心之上 |
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應該是中芯一號這是中華電信的報告委員應該是中華電信他們透過跟新加坡合作的衛星是共同是自己做的還是別人做的這個要理解當然是我們自己啊那就福衛一號1999那兩台福衛一號華為一號吧1999年發射的 |
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第二顆才是我們退役後啦跟美國合作的嘛退役後2004年改名為福爾摩沙衛星一號福衛一號阿第二顆是中華衛星二號跟法國合作的跟法國合作嘛然後年底又改名福爾摩沙衛星二號 |
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主委連國科會的長官都不太清楚所以可見太空科學科普跟教育有待加強我問這個問題我要先講就是說絕對不是要考倒三位而是要說明一件事情來做一個引言那一個國家如果只會談火箭、衛星、產業鏈卻無法讓社會大眾理解自己的太空發展的歷程 |
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那這樣的太空政策呢恐怕就很難真正的扎根早上我們跟這個故宮才在講人家外國的好朋友啊來看故宮直接留下父平因為怎麼可能我國的這些文物怎麼可能會讓這些國外的好朋友留下父平不是他留的父平當中是說什麼 |
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冷冰冰的文物他想要了解的是不只是材質年份還有這個文物的故事 |
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我認為我國太空發展的故事也一樣能夠說清楚也一樣是一個很棒的哪怕是兒童繪本哪怕是一本故事書哪怕是一個研究的血淚史很值得國人來參考所以主委我們目前台灣的太空科普的一個教育國科會有哪些規劃有哪些政策在執行 |
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委員剛剛講的那個理念我非常認同我們台灣中心其實有出書但是書都是非常專業可能都是給比較屬於要走這個專業領域的人來有沒有考慮用AI研究繪本 |
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剛剛委員提到說把它變成是比較科普,甚至小朋友的繪本等等,我們會採納這個意見,那我就請太空中心來努力,來做這個事。可以嗎?對,沒問題。將它變成是繪本,變成是一些,因為像我的孩子,他們都在看太空或者是科學的相關漫畫。 |
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你也知道孩子就是這樣那是不是有機會我們太空的發展史這個部分也能夠增加其實火箭阿伯到處去演講小朋友都很喜歡他對啊很喜歡啊所以請他來寫書是很好的我不會寫我不會寫別人會寫不用啦已經有一些書出版了描述這個台灣的火箭發展史就借用你的一些專長嘛然後寫成那個你用口述嘛請AI幫你轉成繪本嘛 |
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是 他的臉小朋友都認識所以將來我們可能我們要不要請我們這一個相關用您的這個臉來做一個吉祥物 |
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做個吉祥物一下因為小朋友都喜歡那以後就叫你太空叔叔太空阿伯你們講的我不敢講這個太空叔叔加油啦因為畢竟我想接近孩子太空教育給孩子更多的一個夢想讓孩子能夠有這樣的啟發我想這個是很重要的一個國科會的任務所以啊 |
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國科會現在有辦太空夏令營跟太空冬令營啊可不可以再增加場次增加什麼增加檔期啊檔期啊增加在台中啊增加在中部啊在台中啊你看你看今天又有中部的委員那個我們彰化的委員也在現場 |
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好 那我們北中南都辦啦北中南都增加喔這馬沙里喔你看那台南的委員可以啦我們雲林的委員都在北中南都增加是是是一次答應這麼多就是那我站在這裡他們坐在那邊我多出一點力啊我可不可以多加一場我幫他們凹到了啊 |
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我們預算要再看一看好 要不然你增加嘛你增加我支持嘛 好不好如果有問題有影響到你你跟我講啊 好不好我簡單的招委嘛 好不好好 我認為太空科普的教育不能只有停留帶大家來參觀啦我講真的齁我覺得說可以更進一步讓大家看得懂台灣的第一顆第二顆的衛星故事福衛系列如何天氣預報防災監測農業觀測 |
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反觀我們繁衍的這個水深海洋研究我覺得這都很值得成為一些繪本漫畫讓孩子能夠了解這樣子的相關研究產生的連結有沒有做成這樣子公眾理解的一個內容我覺得這是值得今天國科會我想跟你做一個探討很重要的一個我們一個契機那推動太空的一個發射場 |
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低軌衛星的通訊太空產業的供應鏈國人啊總不能只知道政府花了多少錢卻不知道這個太空建設到底和自己有什麼關係欸跟他息息相關欸那以後他也會多打電話給我們各地的立委欸你要多支持啊對不對原來他跟我們息息相關你看前陣子我們那個美國啊太空我們這個林奇爾醫師啊 |
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來到台中又去留麵包又去我們台中西區看以前的那個美春綜合園區它也引起了一個旋風我想國科會在太空中心培育這個太空工程跟衛星通訊的相關人才我們所重要的我們在推動這個永續的資產我們過去培育的這個工程 |
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衛星通訊的人才數據可不可以跟我們分享一下培業的人才其實 |
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我們有一個太空教育辦公室其實一直持續在做這些事它透過一些主題影像小學中學高中我們大概全台灣都有在做第二個是競賽像每一年暑假的火箭競賽像去年500多個今年有800多個學生超過70對棒包括高中還有大學甚至有外國的隊伍來參加這以後會變成國際比賽還有很多我們參加那個JASA的 |
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Keyboard的RPC在上面台灣連續好幾屆都得冠軍總共三千多個人參加四百多個隊台灣連續好幾年得冠軍所以在這方面我們一直在做這些事情另外國科也支持全國各大學有很多教授也在做相關的研究工作也培養很多的研究生總而言之今天見好就收因為我覺得你已經達到我的需求了 |
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北中南都增加場次喔好然後再來要出繪本跟漫畫相關的一些研究你要真的說到做到啊那個太空叔叔太空叔叔要不要做吉祥物這個2018啊現在2026啊要再版了啦代表你有辦法獲獎的嘛再繼續再出嘛好不好主委這可以答應吧是是可以可以好謝謝好謝謝張維 |
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謝謝火箭阿伯跟這個太空叔叔謝謝主委還有官員請回座謝謝好我們下一位林益錦委員謝謝主席有請吳主委跟火箭阿伯吳主任 |
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上個月我們看到NASA太空人林企業醫師來到台灣不但來到訪他的出生地台中來尋根也到了太空中心、成功大學、中央大學還有天文館到處去演講交流 |
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在林齊爾醫師拜會蕭美琴副總統的時候蕭美琴副總統也很自信地說今晚台灣在太空領域起步的晚可是我們絕對不會缺席蕭副總統也有期待說台灣要來積極培養新一代的人才 |
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那講到培育人才的重要性喔再搭配林齊爾醫師帶來這一股太空人旋風喔這是我們積極尋找我國太空人才最重要的好時機喔那所以首先想要請教主委的是蕭副總統期盼的在地培育人才喔那目前國科會跟太空中心做得如何那期待如何深耕或精進人才的這個培育 |
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我们现在其实从小朋友就开始吸引他们的兴趣对太空的这个梦想能够计划他们未来学习科学对这个未来我们需求的太空产业的人才会有很大的帮助那也许吴主任可以再补充一下 |
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我们大概分几个层面一个是从基础从大学端我想有成立四个有四个学校成立太空系统工程研究所在去年八月七月就有第一批硕士班毕业总共有一年六十个然后另外一个是从比较科普就刚讲的有一些主题影还有像一些竞赛刚刚讲的Rocket Town Cup还有种种比如说我们跟张化的张化园那边有一个应该叫做太空UP |
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太空哥哥吧他辦了快兩百場替太空就是台灣的太空教育辦了兩百場演講就是一些影像啊太空的介紹非常謝謝他類似這樣的東西我持續再做好那我想人才培育應該要有系統性而且是要具專業性的人來指導我們看這個新聞去年4月在台南麻豆一處民宅起火那疑似是在家中那個學生做消彈火箭實驗 |
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不慎引起還有我們看到TASA有辦理國中小教師太空教育火箭實作研習他是跟台東縣政府合作讓老師也體驗消產火箭的研習實作我想表達是說為了不讓學生獨自操作危險的實驗 |
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就說人才培育或者是說引發實驗的好奇心是不是需要我們TASA就是跟台東這樣的合作案有更多我的意思是說假設有機會是不是也來台南像我們跟南眼天文館來合作來辦一場類似教師研習 |
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我覺得委員這個想法很好因為現在我們在辦這個火箭競賽全國其實很多的高中都參與了那將來有參與競賽的這些高中我們也利用這些高中生來擴散我們的這個科普的交易對火箭這個想法很好我想太空中心可以來配合 |
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甚至是教師的研習再來要跟主委請教無人機的議題我們看到在產業發展的層面上週在行政院院會經濟部產發署有報告了目前我國無人機推動的現況跟成果 |
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但是這個學研端的教育跟這個研究基礎的建立我本席認為其實在發展無人機產業的野心上相當重要那我們看到立陶宛他計畫在2028成立九所無人機的訓練中心那目標是在2028年前他要讓 |
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一萬五千五百名的成年人跟七千名的孩童來學習無人機的操作技能那它是要強化公民在無人機在就是 |
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不管是無人的載具或者是控制或者是工程領域的技能來推廣民防跟抗戰的訓練無人機在當代的應用當然是越來越普遍而且深入了各種的領域所以無論是國防、海巡或者是救災、環境監測等等 |
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那我是認為說其實平民的教育與認識喔國科會跟教育部我們這些部會應該是要來效法立陶宛的這個計畫然後在台灣社會來積極推廣然後做這個無人機的教育那所以 |
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雖然是相對非常專業的知識 很仰賴實作那我想國會是不是能加以來研究就是說如何推廣無人機的教育 推廣到各年齡層好比說我們現在都說現在要去學AI那我們是不是可以像立陶宛一樣建立一個人人都可以懂的無人機的這種社會 |
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主委好謝謝委員這個建議非常好國會主政的範圍我們會跟教育部來合作因為這個教育部會是在教育部是教育部編列這個預算將來是不是要推到無人機的這個教育也許會有那我們會來研議國會現在其實有補助很多的大學的教師也在做無人機相關的研究不管是單機還是多機機隊的管理控制等等那 |
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無人機的產業現在主政是經濟部國會也協助經濟部我們編列科技預算現在我們的無人機的產業發展非常快速是現在變成是一個供應端供應到全世界所以委員提出來的這個做法就是說我們除了除了要防衛自己之外除了產業部分其實像說學研端跟研究基礎的建立這部分相對也很重要我們會比較全面性的在行政院來討論這個事謝謝委員好 |
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那最後想簡單請教一下就如何落實我們在國際上就是雙邊技術安全對話的常態化這件事因為為了因應這個複雜的國際地緣政治關係那我們要確保這個供應鏈的安全那也要跟這個高科技產業來做一些就是做一些對話來也要確立高科技產業的戰略地位所以我覺得我們必須要跟外國有著技術安全對話 |
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的這個機制經過來說就是所謂的建立跨國的機制讓資安的防護跟前瞻的技術的研發可以連結那也確保這個數位經濟跟產業發展的安全所以請教主委我們怎麼樣建立什麼樣的跨部會的跨國機制 |
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好那這一部分的確像委員講的非常的重要不管是像美國像日本都把經濟安保這是合在一起的所以那經濟的部分特別是科技的產業我們現在國會主責的就是幫行政院我們會盤點各部會提出來的核心關鍵技術必須要列管的核心關鍵技術然後經濟部會負責在產業應用端所謂的這個營運 |
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营业秘密的部分结合在一起那我们的法务部也把国安法连结到我们核心关键技术的保护上面那至于在跟国际的连结我们现在目前跟美国跟日本都有经济安保对话的这个机制存在是我们行政院贸易谈判办公室主责那国科会也有参与主要是国科会经济部其他的部会速发部等等我们的确有在进行这一部分的国际化的合作 |
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好好謝謝主委好主委辛苦謝謝主席好謝謝我們委員的詢問我們下一位陳秀寶委員謝謝主席請吳主委有請吳主委 |
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陳委員好主委好主委現在先就這個AI科技應用在研究上面所衍生的學問題來請教主委日前有媒體報導那有大學的博士生他論文使用AI工具來協助然而在沒有仔細校對的這個情況之下出現了虛構數目及初引用的這樣的狀況 |
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那被錯誤引用這個學者發現了他便主動澄清說這個不是他的所以他主動澄清了那也有發生說在使用AI工具時候出現抄襲或是造假的這樣的問題那我想請教主委目前國科會的專題研究的申請計劃呢可以使用AI工具來協助嗎 |
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我們目前是可以適當的使用但是要透露所謂的適當對我想請教主委說你們的界限跟比例我們國科會有沒有規範適當就是如果身為一個學者他不知道怎麼樣好好使用AI工具那的確是很麻煩的因為AI工具是一個我們發展出來就是要協助人類解決所有的問題那包含做研究也一樣 |
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做研究的過程以及他在寫報告寫論文適當的使用工具這是被允許的全世界趨勢是這個樣子但是使用到某個程度 |
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要有學界這種大家在同儕互平的這個機制之下共同認定的標準這個每一個領域可能會不太一樣我們會依照現在國會各個不同的學問大家討論出來的一個標準會訂定這個這是倫理公約那條件當然就是說你使用的工具你必須要透露你使用工具做了哪些東西要讓人家知道不要欺騙 |
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所以主委您剛剛提到說要揭露但是我看了一下我到網站上也去下載了你們的這個專題研究的這個計畫的申請書上面就只是說我們對我們的這個計畫本身你自己有主持景象或是有申請什麼還有整個這個計畫的那個內容的部分但是上面並沒有提到說你要揭露你是不是使用AI工具會用了多少 |
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現在我們在那個主持人的聲明書裡面已經有要求要寫是有要求已經有要求是公開的必須要去揭露出來的要揭露 對但是不同的領域其實他在使用AI的那個程度會不一樣那我們會在未來在各個學門希望我們學者之間要討論出一個公約好 |
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這個部分我覺得非常的重要就是說我們必須去規範它你到底使用的界限或比例在哪裡這個部分我希望國科會也要有一個監督的這個責任那我希望你是不是一個月之內提供本席辦公室你們相關的這個討論的報告好謝謝陳委員 |
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再請教主委近日人力銀行公布了2026年科技人才報告書裡面有顯示我國科技人才缺口高達19.3萬其中軟體及網路業的缺口最多來到了6.3萬人半導體的產業缺口也有4.1萬人而且這個缺口是持續的增加主委你有發現這個狀況嗎 |
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我們其實有發現可是國科院我們現在支持我們全國在做這個學術研究科技業的人才當然要靠我們學術界培養出來可是如果說我們現在少子化的其實一直往 |
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就是往不好的方向走我们其实也是无能为力我们尽量在努力做这个国际的连结可是全世界其实也都在抢科技人才就因为嫂子话的这个效应全世界其实各产业都缺人好那缺人我们除了努力的去培育出来这些人才之外其实有个很大的部分就如何留住人才很多国际的大厂其实都很看好 |
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我們台灣培育出來的人才在投入了資源來台建廠的這些像特斯拉他已經在台灣招募有先進這個晶片製造流程有5年以上經驗的人才那未來輝達他們的廠房落成之後也一定會大舉徵才 |
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那我們培養了這麼好的人才之後外國的企業來搶人我們怎麼為自己的本土企業留住這些人才我覺得這是一個非常嚴重必須要去很嚴肅的看待這個課題那國科會這邊主委您現在有怎樣的因應的方式 |
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这部分当然各个企业需求的人才我想我们大概要跟经济部一起讨论因为怎么样让我们的产业有足够的诱因留住人才国会这边当然是主要是针对我们的学术界研究机构其实连学术界其实人才都往产业界在流动我们要招募年轻的教师也不是很容易的确是一个蛮严重的问题 |
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主委您講到一件事情除了研究之外我們很多的人力會移動到產業上等一下我再跟您討論這個部分中國近年大力的發展機器人產業除了投入大量的資金來扶植機器人產業之外他們也辦理了很多大型的機器人博覽會來展示他們的機器人目前研發的進度 |
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最新的這個他們發布了一個就是手部機器人顯示說他們已經可以非常的靈活和非常的靈巧可以執行於精細的這個手工記憶那我想請教主委我們現在台灣在機器人發展上我們是專注在哪一個部分我們還是像以前一樣是以半導體晶片為主的軟體的部分還是說我們在硬體上也有已經開始發展的這個一個方向 |
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我們在智慧型的機器人上面今年已經啟動一個新的行政院的智慧機器人方案那我們也開始進行相關的研究大幅的投入就是希望我們這次預算的審查能夠順利讓我們把新的包含工研院要成立的中心跟國科會國研院要成立的中心結合學術界做研發 |
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這種包含委員提到的智慧手也是在我們的項目裡面那未來不是只有人型機器人我們所有的自主移動的載具自主的機器我們都會把它涵蓋在我們的智慧機器人的項目裡面只要能夠協助人類協助我們的社會各行各業 |
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主委的意思是說我們除了在軟體這個部分我們是很強的之外其實我們在硬體上我們也已經準備好了要開始來發展的事我們要準備好其實我們的硬體的產業反而是現在在國際上的供應鏈裡面已經帶滿大的敵人那我們是不是也可以結合這個相關的不管是半導體還是機器人我們來結合我們也一樣辦一個 |
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像這樣大型的博覽會這個可以嗎來展示我們的實力因為其實我們的這個機器人產業鏈我們希望說是可以整合起來的讓我們研發的跟產業的這個是並進的讓我們研發的人才也能看到自己的成就在產業上他能夠實際的是來幫助各個產業 |
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是謝謝委員那接下來我再問主委關於我們剛才有很多位委員也都很關心的這個太空產業發展的問題那地軌衛星現在很快速的在發展不管是從國家安全通訊任性到全球太空經濟的擴張我們不管是我們台灣的ICT還有半導體及通訊的這個零組件產業 |
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加入太空產業鏈那麼我們現在國科會對於目前開通科技的這個規劃是如何我們的方向在哪裡我們有沒有去訂定未來幾年太空產業鏈這個產值的目標還是我們為自己設定的目標在哪裡 |
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我們其實過去這兩年來已經把政策定位為要進足太空進足太空我們就不是只有仰賴我們的太空中心自主的研發的這個衛星的部分而已我們要建立起我們真正的太空的產業就是要把未來我們低軌通訊衛星不管是衛星的本體籌載還有地面站的設備還有使用者終端設備這些東西產業鏈我們都要建立起來這兩年來成果已經非常的好 |
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我們剛剛發射的這個福衛八號的第一顆衛星我們的自製率已經超過84%我們第二顆將來要超過90%所以這個產業鏈建起來以後我們將來是可以協助全世界很多的衛星服務的公司來跟台灣合作變成他們的供應鏈所以這個就是我們競逐太空的一個這也是我們要未來要發展的一個方向跟目標那我想要請教主委 |
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成功大学及中央大学呢分别跟业界有合作自制卫星也顺利的在美国发射显现我们国科会跟教育部共同培育这些太空人才的成效也如刚才主委您所说的那这个部分呢大家是肯定的也是支持的那成大也建议说太空科技是非常之竞争激烈那如何跨越工学院跟其他学院的合作也是很重要的 |
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我想请教主委我们如何来协助公学院跟其他学院的跨学院合作这部分其实我们太空中心已经在做了我请我们吴主任来补充一下谢谢委员委员刚刚讲的这个两个学校他们因为在学校做的是立方卫星这是一个培养人才还有基本技术和非常方法然后跨领域的要讲因为太空的 |
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主要是要透過系統工程它本來就是跨領域透過計畫管理跟這個不同的領域之間因為一個我講衛星一個衛星大概零件可能一兩萬個它有電的有機械的你想得到的材料化工這其實都包含所以它是一個本來就一個非常本來就是跨領域的合作但是如何讓未來的合作更 |
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其實從剛才講到科技業缺人講到機器人講到太空科技這邊要提醒主委就是媒體報導說中國他因應國家的這個戰略需求他們在大學的學科裡面增設了38個學科是關於能源機器人AI相關的 |
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在這樣子的他們做這樣子的調整之後所產生的要想就他們在招學生就會招老師就會把相關的研究相關的學者的這些一併帶走如何要讓我們自己培育出來的人才能夠留在我們自己本地留在我們國內而不會因為這樣的效應學生走了老師是跟著過去了我們相關的學者相關的研究也一起被帶走 |
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剛才一直跟主委您強調就是說我們要留住人才就是除了有研究我們要有應用我們要讓我們的人才他有發揮的舞台他們有所發揮我們才能夠留住他們所以在研究跟產業跟相關的這些部門如何結合而且很成熟的讓相關研究的人員去感受到說我所研究出來的其實他是很可以應用去協助到各產業的我想這是非常重要的 |
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非常同意委員所以我們現在也是在鼓勵我們學術研究除了基礎的研究自由型基礎研究之外也鼓勵他們能夠跟我們現在非常重要的產業發展要對接對接那參與研究這些學生他的出路就有保障那他們也會引起他們去解決實際的問題而不是只是一個 |
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即使是說我們的研究人員會游向產業界但至少是留在我們自己墳墓的留在我們自己國內對 這是非常重要的也請主委你們要重視好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝主委謝謝下一位有請蔡春籌委員 |
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主席好,有請吳主委蔡委員好主委好 |
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我跟朱磊說就是本行很支持科技預算增加然後也肯定國科會的近年來在AI還有半導體的一個科學園區以及太空科技及災防科技上的一個佈局今天是預算的審查重點不是在看有沒有計劃 |
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而是要確認這個預算增加了以後成果能不能被檢驗然後資源能不能夠分配的公平然後地方能夠真正的受益那我今天的焦點就有三點第一是AI的治理第二點是科學園區的作業基金以及中科福委園區的一個地方效益第三是災防中心行政法的一個績效 |
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一開始我要先引用金融時報最近的一個數據在亞太地區有50大高成長新創公司新加坡跟印度各占101家南韓有79家主委我們輕鬆一下我們來猜猜看台灣有幾家 |
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我不知道委員這個數字是哪裡來的這個是在金融金融時報那個主委16家啦我想跟主委輕鬆一下答錯或是沒有答都沒有關係啦那主委再下一看我們台灣進入100名內有幾家就是根據委員的資料 |
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我們的第一名是100名裡面的97名那跟那個豬兒這樣一個交流主要就是我們要說明就是說AI在快速融入了商業那改變了經營的一個模式的當下台灣的一個腳步卻輸了日本輸了新加坡我們真的是要加快腳步來加油 |
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不過報告委員 其實最近這幾年台灣的經濟成長是最亮眼的是 沒有錯 我們都是在硬題的部分當然我們想要通吃的話也不是那麼容易因為我們畢竟還要照顧到客戶 |
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那未來台灣要持續的發展我們自己的應用這的確我們也認同希望因為這個樣子讓我們的排名可以再好一點好 我們就是很期待我們的硬體的部分是都是名列我們世界的名列前茅那我們在軟體尤其是數據的一個服務我們還是希望能夠跟上腳步 |
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那再來就是說像新加坡他們就有AI的一個110計畫那我要就是也要請問主委國科會在115年度的一個AI的相關計畫有沒有也設定類似的一個落地指標然後中小企業還有新創公司地方產業還有未來的一個 |
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是有能夠公平的申請到國科會支持的一個AI算力還有有沒有能夠公開申請機制使用配額還有審查的一個標準使用者的一個結果跟成果的一個公開 |
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其實委員提的這些東西我們都有國會現在鼓勵全國的學界努力去進行第一就是AI它包含它的理論它的應用系統等等的研究以及各行各業各種領域的這個學術研究好好的應用AI這個我們也都鼓勵所以他們申請進來的這個計畫只要是通過審查學者互評通過審查我們都會支持全部都會支持 |
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我們當然也是知道說我們國客會一直有在做這樣的一個努力當然我們也希望說他的一個研究出來他能夠 |
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應用這是比較重要再來我要請教主委在科學園區我本身主委知道我是雲林人所以我看了國科會的書面報告的時候我們也很長期的支持中科還有支持湖北園區 |
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然後也支持英靈科技大學還有湖北科技大學以及中科目前的基金債務目前債務是最高的高達了860億元金人的能耐還是短處請問中科目前的困境是什麼要如何改善 |
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中科我們過去因為政府政策的關係我們其實也有投入南投也有投入這個彰化的惡聯還有雲林的湖北那這幾個區域我們其實還是在努力要在 |
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因為還不賺錢我們還在虧本當中那也希望說能夠透過我們跟地方政府大家一起來協力為什麼呢因為地方政府在這個都市計畫 |
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創造好的居住環境吸引人才如果做得好的話我們招商會更容易那國會是很願意跟地方政府來合作我們來協助能夠好好發展地方那只要說我們能夠吸引到非常好的這個產業願意進來投入的話 |
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那地方政府也能夠搭配解決所有的這個問題那這樣子的話地方的繁榮發展好那我們科學研究廠商願意來的話也會造成地方更繁榮是不是多贏的這個局面所以我們期望朝這個方向來走好 因為我們也知道主委要驚恨台灣嘛我們也就是說這個驚恨台灣就是要驚恨人口那驚恨我們人青人的一個就業機會是 |
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最後我要請教主委有關於災環中心在115年度推動了四個計畫包括極端氣象還有水上的研究還有人工智慧技術還有災環科技的應用在115年也開發了一個新移民災管數位工具 |
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好 在這個地方我先要請教一下 什麼叫做新移民災管數位工具我沒有聽過這個 我請我們陳主任看看 |
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我想有關於移民移工的保護的工作我們有做防災的這個手冊移民的語言包括了這個印尼的語言包括了越南的語言兩種語言我們把它編成手冊以後我們還請印尼的駐台代表越南的駐台代表去看看我們的手冊是不是適合大家可以共用推廣的相當不錯 |
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有這個我也覺得很好奇所以我特別提出來來問最後就是說我們對於這個在訪中心我也很好奇是不是有沒有好好的應用我們台灣民眾黨 |
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禮拜一就到花蓮的馬太安溪去考察我們知道去年花生很重大的災難有沒有產生的經驗能夠幫助我們改善預防下一次災難的花生中心有沒有針對馬太安溪事件做了哪些應應的作為 |
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我想跟委員報告我想我們都配合行政院的這些訪談還有到現場的這個自災的調查我們都有配合一起再進行這個沒有問題因為我們剛剛也講到因為現在期貨變遷變成一個已經是一個常態了所以我們也希望說能夠 |
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在這個氣候變遷的一些危機處理能夠有一些比較科學化的一些因應的一個辦法出來那最後呢 |
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我要跟主委講說今天的一個問題都不是從零開始我們國科會已經有國家科技計畫也有AI的一個研究還有算力的平台也有中科跟五緯研修的一個成果還有災防中心也都有工作一個進度那也因為是已經有基礎了而且是精益求精那115年度的一個預算增加了以後我們要看到成果 |
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而且要能夠有成果有責任還有分配到地方能夠受益而且能夠講清楚所以我本行是非常支持我們科技的一個預算也支持國科會把台灣的一個科技實力做到一個最大最強但是每一筆預算都要能夠轉化為可以驗證 |
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可以安全國家的一個戰略然後可以落地的一個產業的一個成果以及可以被地方感受到這種發展的效益以上跟主委交我謝謝主委好 謝謝主委 謝謝委員我們下一位巡達的委員 議員之委員 |
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主席好 麻煩請國科會主委有請主委 |
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昨天前經濟部長王美花她講了一件事情她說在2018年的時候當時台積電就已經跟經濟部說要蓋三奈米廠但是除了在講三奈米廠之外台積電有告訴政府一個整個規劃藍圖就是未來也要興建二奈米廠跟一奈米廠 |
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他提出一個憂心他要市井台電說因為台積電的擴充很快所以很難但是電更難我有幾件事情想要跟諸位請教一下因為電這件事情確實就對產業來說是非常重要 |
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不知道為什麼2018年當時台積電就已經講說可能要蓋1奈米廠可是我們政府那個時候還是一直朝向廢核的角度其實已經很早的時候就已經產業就已經說有用電需求了嘛那現在才忽然間髮夾彎說要考慮重啟核三是不是太慢了 |
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你說再問我啊,好,這個不是,對,您這個還好嗎?因為能源不是我管的啦不是,你在產業角度嘛,你當然你要思考一下產業的發展如果沒有電,那產業發展什麼?國關會做那麼多研究的白費啦是啊,其實我們對啊,所以我現在就問你說為什麼2018年那時候經濟那個研究已經說要蓋1奈米廠了? |
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我跟委員解釋一下,你聽過這個Moore's law,好摸電力,半導體的發展,技術的發展,它是會一直不斷的往前走,所以不是只有2奈米就會停住,一定是一直在往下,也不是只會停在1奈米,現在其實台積電 |
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我的問題是說當然他會一直往前發展這個我知道我現在只是說他2018年就已經市井了他要給一個規劃藍圖嘛這個不需要市井你自己就知道嘛那為什麼政府在用電的發電的考量居然還會朝向非核家園現在才轉彎我的問題是說你會不會覺得太慢了嘛 |
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也不是說現在也不是現在才轉彎啦去年我們在修核管法的時候我們都還被罵咧報告委員也不是說你做幾奈米就需要多少電不是這個意思啦而是說你到底會蓋多少的廠 |
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你的生意有多好他講說那個王美花講說那個台積電擴廠速度很快啦所以確實是有擴廠啦快到他當時是沒有想到其實當時沒有人想到生意現在會這麼好台積電的技術進步到全世界都需要我們幫他們做所以生意好到這個地步是我不為難你啦反正就是說電的問題還是要解決的那我今天有看到一個 |
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這個國科會有一個新聞我不知道是可以請主委來證實一下就是說因為AI養出了吃電的怪獸然後用電超過預期然後居然經濟部說要求降低像半導體或AI廠的用電需求然後所以傳出來說T公司不用講哪一家說要擴廠 |
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然後結果國科會就點名就說,你半導體如果你要擴廠,你自己要蓋電廠,有這件事嗎?報告員,沒有這回事啦,那這個媒體這個title可能也是誤解啦,也是誤解。那真實狀況是怎樣?真實狀況是我們現在所有的園區的開發,依照產業的需求,我們所規劃要開發的園區,水、電一定是規劃好。 |
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一定是供應充足我們才有可能去花錢去開發這個園區因為開發園區要花很多錢啊所以啊這個國客會跨部會的這個協調是在園區開發之前都已經決定了所以經濟部 |
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還有其他的部會包含像我們的農業部因為土地的問題啊還有內政部啊還有交通部我們還有交通的問題啊然後這個環境部因為我們還要做環境我們就針對問題回答啦所以到底有沒有因為經濟部要求降低需求所以要半導體自己蓋電廠沒有這件事完全沒有這件事情那媒體誤解是誤解哪一點 |
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我不知道他為什麼我會照這樣寫那你們有發文去駁斥嗎不然很多半導體公司就會想說哇賽我要發展我要自己蓋電廠我今天就公開講沒有這件事情那另外還是跟半導體發展有關因為我昨天也是看到新聞我們在龍潭科學園區三期本來之前一直在 |
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講說什麼台積電要進駐然後後來台積電又說不進駐當時這件事情還引發政治口水啦大家在那邊怪一怪去啦那現在因為國科會他現在已經完成了三期開發案的公聽會所以業界就傳出來說他因為增加了104公頃嘛所以業界說要給台積電次世代先進製程來進駐那昨天桃園市長模擬兩可啦他說對我們現在在壓子划水那請問一下台積電有要進駐嗎 |
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台積電當然現在對土地的需求是我如果針對農科就好 |
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這個地方要確定還品等等都無虞的話他才有可能進駐啊所以我們現在要解決的問題是我們跟桃園市政府其實很努力過去這幾年很努力在解決各種問題可是我們要照顧到當地的居民當地居民贊成反對的都有啊所以台積電還沒有說完全沒有要啦就是說只要國會跟桃園市政府 |
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把一些疑慮解決之後台積電還是會進駐是當然我國會的立場是因為之前都是在傳說什麼他退出了然後所以大家都被罵桃園被罵然後這個中央被罵現在就是說把問題解決他就要進駐嘛所以業界的傳聞是確實是這個方向就對了因為如果當地居民 |
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所以這是這個方向沒錯然後再來另外我想跟國會請教因為現在就是因為AI半導體產業蓬勃發展那其實是造成一個狀況就是現在文組的科系很多都沒有人念我舉幾個例子譬如說台中益中有一個語言的自由班語資班 |
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本來是招三十人那後來這幾年就剩招到個位數今年已經停招了像建中也有人文社會自由班也是一樣在前一兩年就停招了然後呢甚至於我一個 |
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一個學界的朋友他去醫學院演講他說醫學院的老師是一個他講就是說像因為AI半導體的發展甚至於讀醫學院的學生他可能是讀生物科技的或這一類的都考慮往AI發展就沒有要從事醫學研究其實這是一個 |
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不知道主委會怎麼看待這件事情那黃仁勳他其實有講說黃仁勳是搞AI的但他就非常重視生命科學但是生命科學的學系的學生56.8%是後悔讀這個科系所以在我們現在因為大家看到股市漲或者是產業大家都是在講AI半導體AI半導體那會不會造成一個產業失衡的狀況您怎麼看這個事 |
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7319.066 |
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那從國會的立場來看我們當然也不是期待所有人都往AI半導體走啦也不是這樣子所以我們還是很努力希望能夠均衡在產業上我們需要均衡照顧到社會上所有的需求不是只有一個科技產業而已所以我們在努力在AI的應用方面雖然我們的這個科技產業很發達但是科技產業要來協助各行各業的發展這是我們現在努力的目標 |
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我覺得有的產業可能就跟AI也沒有關係啦那希望國科會也是可以多投入一點資源啦就是不要說一直在因為當然半導體AI發展很棒可是也不要造成我們整個社會完全偏向AI跟半導體有一些人文的部分國科會是不是也可以做輔導研究那我是有去看國科會的你們的這個經費啦目前看起來這個在經費上面我們秀一下經費上的配 |
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配比感覺上就是人文處好像跟其他的處不管是申請件數申請件數是差不多的但是經費稍微比較低那這個有沒有可能針對特別是像我就比較關心學校教育教育現在因為教改還有現在的教育的環境越來越複雜越來越複雜那國會有沒有可能針對人文教育剛剛講生命科學這方面可以多做一點力 |
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7379.525 |
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其實包委員其實我們對這幾個領域都非常重視而且我們的經費也都持續在增加那人文社會領域因為他們不需要昂貴的設備材料所以當然他們的經費一定是比較低的可是並不代表 |
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7422.805 |
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因為他的經費比較低他不能做研究而是依照他的需求我們都會滿足所以人文社會領域的主委當然是這樣講啦可是像我去跟一些就是社會科學系的就是人文系的比較文組的老師其實他們很多人都長期有個感覺就是國會會都是重離宮輕人文其實蠻多人是這樣子講的絕對沒有啦如果沒有的話其實主委其實可以有機會可以跟他們聊聊他們的這樣的一個我願意跟他們聊觀感是怎麼來的 |
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7437.055 |
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我願意跟他們講沒問題不過感謝主委就是沒有因為說半導體AI蓬勃發展就輕人文啦我覺得都是還是要均衡發展好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝葉委員謝謝主委下一位吳思亞委員好謝謝主席有請吳主委 |
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7453.547 |
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7479.529 |
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有請吳主委吳護人好主委大家辛苦了我們現在在這裡審查國客會今年的預算但事實上在立法院另外一個會議室正在進行非常重要的軍購特別條例的朝野協商今天是韓院長主持的第四次的協商了那整個軍購的特別條例行政院的版本是1.25兆 |
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7481.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7509.205 |
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那在野党现在有不同的观点有打三折的3800亿的版本也有打七折的8000亿的版本无论如何行政部门我们都希望国防安全是不能打折的但事实上您知道吗虽然您是国客会的主委但是国防没有人是outside对不对那在国防特别条例里头您认为这个您知道这个差别版本最大的差异在哪里吗 |
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7510.697 |
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7516.831 |
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就是最大差異在扶植培養我們在地的國內的軍工產業 |
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7519.758 |
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7545.913 |
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對這就是重點我今天的破題這跟國科會也大有關係本土自製的無人機它是產業它更是國防不分黨派都要來支持非常遺憾在野黨委員的版本不管是三千八或是八千億很遺憾的刪減的那個部分都是非常重要的台灣關鍵防衛力量的王牌 |
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7547.099 |
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7565.714 |
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那我们看下一页刚刚也有其他委员垂询到无人机的产业我们先从产业面来切入台湾要能够成为无人机民主供应链的亚太中心行政院也定出了一个目标值无人机的总体产业2030年希望能够达到400亿 |
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7568.02 |
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7582.937 |
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而事实上光以这一年2024 50亿到2025年的产值就129亿一年间成长2.5倍而外销的产值更成长了29倍30倍之多 |
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7583.718 |
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7600.545 |
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虽说台湾卓越无人机海外商机联盟也成立了3000多名以上的从业人员将近267家的业者它绝对是一个重要的发展中的台湾有竞争力的产业这没有问题对不对下一页 |
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7601.621 |
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7619.048 |
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那国科会跟经济部要强强联手我在这里要咨询你也就是说无人机的产业大家不要都以为是经济部的事行政院端出的无人载具产业发展统筹型计划是6年的期程要投入国家预算442亿 |
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7620.749 |
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7648.665 |
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那我也在预算书中看到国科会我们从2024年就推动了补助了13个学研单位的无人机关键技术前瞻研发计划预算大概是2.88亿左右所以从市场面技术面环境面到法规面国科会都有非常重要的角色虽然雅创医馆 |
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7649.605 |
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7662.094 |
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现在五十几家厂商未来亚创二管要再搏剑不管是在创新研发或是具体的在军事生产制造机器里头你们扮演了什么样的角色 |
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7683.301 |
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我們其實剛剛委員提到我們編的這個預算主要是支持我們學術界學術界第一我們要做前瞻技術的研發將來在這個軍工產業或者是軍工產業也能夠連結到民間的市場應用在其他的領域然後我們一定要培養人才將來這個產業的發展要培養人才所以這邊的預算雖然是小規模但是非常重要 |
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7689.324 |
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7715.279 |
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那我们国科会也协助经济部编列科技预算支持经济部扶持台湾的这个军工产业所以这部分是非常重要所以说前端的研发非常重要因为整个无人机的应用可以用在农业可以用在环保可以用在医疗可以用在防灾当然可以用在国防军民通用所以我会支持你们持续的来投入这方面的国家资源下一页 |
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7715.979 |
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7744.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
再回到全台湾我们来看看我盘点出来北中南东15个县市其实都有无人机产业的群聚它都在成长中所以我在这里也要对我们在野党的委员来喊话譬如说本席服务的台北市有43家的无人机相关的业者我也希望罗志强委员一起来支持我们的国防军购预算 |
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7745.549 |
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7760.602 |
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台中市有40家我相信我们的罗昭伟应当也会来支持无人机产业的聚落新北市有52家无人机的相关产业我也希望叶元之委员来支持我们的国防本土自治的预算 |
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7761.423 |
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7789.665 |
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高雄也有15家無人機的相關業者也希望想要角逐高雄市長位子的柯志文委員我們真的一起不分黨派來支持無人機它是產業更是國防下一頁講到國防的應用其實是兩個面向對台灣重要的是用烏克蘭戰爭的經驗告訴我們無人機可以精準打擊可以以小搏大 |
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7790.766 |
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7804.944 |
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就是可以防衛關鍵的那個力量而這正是美國的印太司令在國會的聽證會一再強調的台灣的不對稱戰力的利器就是本土自製的無人機的系統 |
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7805.825 |
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7821.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
同樣的中國我們的敵對境外主要的是敵對勢力他們的兵推也點出了如果台灣發展出本土的自製無人機的國防防禦系統他們如果要犯台會付出相當高的代價 |
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7822.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7841.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
所以在防禦面絕對是有其必要而在產業端如果台灣回到我最前面講的我們以產業的思維打造全世界的非紅供應鏈民主供應鏈的這個亞太中心的角色的話台灣無人機產業切入國際市場然後 |
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7844.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7864.629 |
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增進量產的規模來增進技術的成熟這都對於國家是1加1等於無限大的所以在這個部分的論述我也希望無人機的產業未來在研發的這一段我們的國科會能夠給予更多社會更多的論述好 |
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7865.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7888.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
可以嗎是好那下面一個題目很快下一次再就教於您就科學園區的台灣模式下一頁台股指數今天第二度收盤破4萬點41138史上的新高下一頁所以說回應到我們三大科學園區的營收也創新高了 |
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7889.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7905.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
那我们又会想到预算嘛我们的这个科学园区的这个基金预算里头我们也有五十几亿是要新增因为需求产业的需求对那同样的我们扎根台湾 |
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7906.169 |
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7933.605 |
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但是也可以布局全球啊這個部分您可不可以跟我們論述一下台灣的產業去闖天下去國外開分店很好但我們沒有忘記跟留台灣沒有忘記守護家園所以現在我們今年省預算我看到應該是52億左右的這個園區作業基金會用在主要是南科的 |
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7934.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7952.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
的拓展计划是吗是南科南科竹科中科都有嘛都有都有嘛所以说来您可不可以跟我们分享一下那所谓的台湾模式进行美国我们看到我们的财经两大首长国发会的叶主委我们龚明星部长我也以为您会去啊 |
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7953.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7964.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
在鳳凰城的那個簽訂了一個投資中心的接牌對於雖然台美的ART跟MOU還沒有簽但是台灣模式能夠 |
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7966.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7984.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
进军全球打进美国市场我们的台湾模式的部分您再跟我们论述一下我们的机会我们的利基我们可不可能达到我们政策的那一个美好的我们的半导体产业跟AI产业最主要的客户都在美国 |
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美国的市场就是我们最大的市场 |
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我跳到晶片國安法那一頁所以就要就教於您了我們要講到這個關鍵我看到在野黨要推晶片國安法美其民要保護護國神山但事實上正在摧毀破壞台灣的戲盾也就是您剛講的 |
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我們最先進矽頓就是台灣最堅強的先進技術最強的這個量產的機會也就是最賺錢的都在台灣研發端都在台灣如果說有了這一個在野黨硬要推的晶片國安法強制規定我們的台積電或是其他的 |
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這種高科技產業未經國會同意不得對外輸出至其他國家那這樣國會過度審查的話企業反而就把研發中心搬到國外去了我們的戲盾就不是戲盾了就國科會的主委最後的時間您回應一下晶片國安法我是認為岐席不可在產業端在研發端你們最終給我們一個很重要的一個說明 |
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國會現在負責我們的核心關鍵技術的保護連結各部會那我們跟經濟部是緊密在合作經濟部已經在這個營業秘密法已經在法務部的協助之下連結到我們的國安法目前的保護非常的周全 |
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比严密更严密而且相关的产业如果要国外投资 |
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來弱化台灣的國家競爭力好辛苦大家一起加油謝謝好謝謝吳世耀委員謝謝主委下一位有請羅志強委員主席有請主委有請主委 |
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主委在詢答之前因為剛剛我們尊敬的吳世耀委員有Q到我那我當然也要非常的靜謹的來回應他國民黨當然支持國防啊不管是無人機或國防品項國民黨當然支持啊但國民黨要支持的是今天真的符合台灣所需的軍備的項目我想請教主委 |
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今天作為在野黨如果說今天有一個馬桶無人機飛上天空你覺得國民黨要如何支持啊要馬桶無人機買天飛啊可以支持嗎還是茶葉無人機還是說煙酒無人機還是說今天所有小吃店快篩什麼小吃店可以做快篩馬桶店可以做國防裝潢店可以變成是今天軍備的大廠 |
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像這種情形我看到的就不是所謂的發展國防武力啦我看到的就是什麼啊就是官商上下其手不是嗎崔偉這邊也很恭敬的來回應吳世耀委員國民黨支持發展國防戰備來因應所有可能的威脅但是國民黨絕對不會容許 |
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今天一個執政者 搞綠油油大發財那一套 用國防為名義 搞綠油油大發財好好去想一想 今天這麼重要的國防戰備問題可以讓一些過去沒有國防時機 國防沒有經驗的綠油油廠商來去彭分國家的資源 |
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國民黨挺的是真的能夠為我們建構國家安全防衛力量的國防軍備不是吳斯堯口中 民進黨口中那一種讓綠油油大發財的所謂的國防的軍備抱歉 我得回應他 因為他剛剛cue我接下來我想請教主委 |
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去年我擔任黨團幹部和許多委員如葛如軍委員一同推動了人工智慧基本法這是我國史上首度於法律層級定定台灣AI發展的原則、權責、研發等法治框架 |
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當然其他AI先進國家以及日韓都有相關的法制所以我們今天國民黨民眾黨我們很努力跟著我們大家一起來推動AI的所謂的相關的法制 |
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那麼AI基本法其實就是要務實推動AI那目的也是驅徹政府落實AI發展的方向那給予產業最大的創新土壤而且過程當中主委你也知道國民黨非常堅持是由國科會來做主管機關嘛對不對沒錯吧那民進黨就是很堅持要由速發部當然沒關係最後達成協議就是因為我們認為我們信任國科會 |
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我覺得主委,這個信任值得託付嗎?託付給國科會,作為AI主管機關不管是數法部還是國科會,我們都會努力去做了謝謝您好,好,那麼國科會現在就是AI基本法主管機關 |
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但我要請教一下根據AI基本法行政院要成立國家人工智慧戰略特別委員會由行政院院長召集學者專家人工智慧相關的民間團體跟產業代表政務委員相關機關首長或代表直轄市縣市首長來組成協調推動督導全國人工智慧事務並訂定國家人工智慧發展綱領 |
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我想請教,基本法今年一月公佈,現在五月了,委員會陳列進度如何?我們依法在進行當中,第一次的委員會議我們預計在八月底之前會召開八月底之前召開,那能夠在今年就訂出國家人工智慧的發展綱領嗎? |
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我們希望在第一次委員會議就會提出來非常謝謝主委我要提醒主委法理有明定委員會至少每年要召開一次會議是要審定我們國家人工智慧發展的綱領是那有籌備開始最好那希望能夠來 |
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加速的來進行那另外公平會在3月發布了深層次人工智慧相關競爭法議題徵詢公眾意見彙整報告跟政策聲明他報告中提到 |
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我国在AI晶片设计算力架构基础模型研发整合等领域以及跨领域应用人才的需求持续上升那其中以软体跟跨领域整合的人才缺乏最为明显 |
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那報告中也說AI基礎設施跟模型開發需要碩博士成績的專業培訓期約二到五年應用跟部署層面要仰賴具產業背景跟AI技能的跨領域人才培訓期需要六個月到兩年 |
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那外业界普遍认为现阶段人才培育速度难以跟上需求那报告也指出最难招募的人才依序是AI与资料科学家AI顾问AI专案经理那半导体产业业者也表示优秀人才倾向前往欧美中国大陆新加坡等地发展加上产业人才培育速度难以跟上市场需求也加剧了人才短缺状况 |
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我想請問主委你有看到公平會這個報告嗎有其實在行政院都有討論這些議題是那委員提到的的確都是我們現在面臨的這個比較困難的人才是很短缺的對全世界也都在搶所以你也認同說現在人才我們短缺我們要努力要努力搶我要告訴主委我們其實是跟全世界都在搶人才那也跟矽谷搶人才也跟對岸跟新加坡跟所有 |
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極力在發展AI的一些國家在搶人才那這一點國科會作為AI基本法主管機關需要再更加努力一點是好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝羅志強委員也謝謝主委主委不好意思因為我剛剛也有被點名 |
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那我想吳世耀委員說國民黨一些惡法啦我想吳世耀委員也幫我們認證他所謂的惡法很多但目前我們也獲得賴清德總統認證感謝我們在野黨通過核管法所以我想時間會證明一切那也希望委員不要就直接下定論那我們有請下一位諮詢的委員郭育群國務委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請主委有請主委 謝謝國務委員好主委午安我想這個支持算力預算要有彈性那尤其是現在其實這一體的這個價格上漲那算力的建制一定會受到一些影響那必要時我先承諾就是我會支持預算 |
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好但是更重要的就是有限的算力其實要怎麼樣從科研能夠正確的走向所謂的商轉這是我今天想要關切的一個主題我想現在國科會規劃大概三成的算力是給產業做這個POC |
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但是這個很多的AI的應用不是做完驗證就結束它後面其實還有更大的規模是在用在商轉的一個這個算力商用的算力那所以我想問一下就是國科會這邊跟我們的經濟部出發部有沒有建立算力接棒的機制那如果有做那 |
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到最後也就是說業者做完研發之後是由誰來接手那會不會卡住在中間這是第一個問題第二個問題我想問的是這個沙輪那這個沙輪想要成為真正的這個示範的一個場域那但是如果只是做這個科研的驗證其實是 |
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我也要問一下這個國科會跟經濟部還有抒發部這邊的一些部會的整合或者是說能不能夠讓業者從研發驗證商轉能夠一次到位而不是自己要來找資源請教好謝謝委員我們國科會現在支持學術研發所以我們會保留相當的這個算力來支持學術界來使用但是現在我們有一些 |
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行政院通過一些專案的這個行政院的方案包含智慧機器人還有AI相關的一些方案所以我們保留大約三成的這個這個算力是支持將來不管是新創還是產業界要進來研發相關的AI的產品或應用服務 |
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但是當他完成這個研發要進到商轉的時候我們已經有個機制跟我們的民間的業者民間業者包含國內的業者也是國際在台灣的投資的業者能夠從我們的國網中心的平台很順利的轉移到商用的平台因為他們已經是生意往來不能靠國家的預算的支持所以這個機制我們是存在當進到這個商轉的時候有沒有比較具體 |
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就是說這個技術存在但是它目前有沒有一些比較具體的一些例子 |
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有 我們正在成立這個所謂的算力聯盟算力聯盟就是我們國安中心分別跟幾家我們的民間包含像鴻海 像這個偉創之東等等然後國際的這個平台也有像AWS也跟我們在談這種平台的合作所以將來他們可能也會兼助部分的算力來協助我們的產業界發展相關的AI應用產品因為也是在培養他們未來的客戶 |
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所以如果这些成功的话那研发阶段过去进到商转我们会转到民间的这个平台那让这个经济自然的这个发展下去所以现在只是一个在计划当中的一个进程应该是先规划但是还没有到完全的实践对不对 |
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因為我們這個預算通過以後我們開始就可以開始做了因為已經這個談的差不多了所以希望下半年能夠順利的推動剛剛我問到這個砂輪如果要變成所謂的一條龍的一個示範的場域那我想這不應該只是做實驗的部分那關於這個砂輪的部分呢 |
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沙崙是因為有國科會的基地在那是之前我們在那個沙崙的這個智慧力能科學城那是一個高鐵的專區國科會有個基地所以因為是我們國會自己擁有所以我們在那邊建今年的工建希望能夠啟動建立一個資料中心那我們在南科的資料中心是去年年底啟用了已經建了5.1MW的這個設備 |
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是那因為國客會管園區也管我們沙崙的這個基地所以我們將來是以國客會來推動大南灣新矽谷能夠做到這個各行各業在智慧城市的連結能夠使用AI如果這種試驗能夠成功我們希望擴充到全國擴充到全國是讓所有的這個其他產業都能夠發展發展上來就是從研發、驗證、商轉同時一起往前推進啦一起往前推進 |
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好那剛剛其實這個主委有特別提到就關於這個智慧機器人的前瞻技術研發的計畫那我也想要問一下因為我們在這個115年就是今年我們其實已經編了大概將近9億多將近快10億這樣子的一個預算也就是說我們在這個計畫當中其實我們每年也估計要培育大概60名的這個碩博士的一個人才那但是呢現在問題來了 |
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因為我們只看到這個KPI它是只有在所謂的人數上的數量然後以及辦理多少場的這個媒合的一個活動但是我們沒有把之後會產生什麼樣的一個效果或之後會產生什麼樣的一個成果把它寫入到這個所謂的KPI的一個具體的一個計畫或者是期待值當中那我想問一下就是說這些人我們有沒有算過或者我們有沒有估計過他有多少人能夠真正進入到所謂的機器人的產業 |
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然後再來有沒有追蹤這些所謂的媒合的成功率或者是有沒有這樣子的一個比較具體的計畫再來有沒有看薪資跟它的穩定度那KPI是不是我們可以從做多少可以轉到產生多少效果這是我想要問的重點我們未來的確是會按照委員的這個建議我們會追蹤因為因為今年才剛開始啟動對我知道 |
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產業發展跟人才培育要同時做希望產業發展過程當中需要的人才他們一定要找人那我們在這邊培育這些人才就會有出口如果我們產業沒有發展這些人才一定會散到其他的行業去所以我們要同步進行所以同樣的就是我剛剛所提到的這些都是將來我們的計畫當中嘛對不對都是 對 |
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好那最後一個問題我想請教就是國科會我們投入的大概從112年度到115年度我們的這個總經費大概是18億的這個科研那當然除了剛剛講到的一些人才最重要的人才那當然還有一些六大核心的這個戰略的產業的這樣子的一個技術那目前有三個問題我想要再請教一下 |
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這個技術的方向有沒有調整因為我們看到是從原本的這個規劃18項的關鍵技術後來變成是6項那這個驟降的原因是什麼這是第一個問題再來成果不一定能夠進得了所謂的這個國防的體系當中也就是說我換句話來講人才我們的確培養了但之後這些人才到底去了哪裡因為有人才有研發那之後會不會有所謂的接不上的這樣子的一個問題存在 |
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非常感謝郭委員的提醒兩年前我接手的時候其實我有發現這個問題因為那時候國防部有自己的系統那雖然國科會有資助我們的大學在做國防的科研可是教授們接觸不到國防部的需求所以他們往往是自己設定的一些主題 |
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那我接手以後我跟國防部就合作來連結我們的需求端跟我們的研發的這個單位所以現在我們資助的各個大學裡面的這個學員的團體我們的教授們他們做的題目都是國防部 |
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國防部幾個不同的單位他們提出來的明確的需求所以委員剛剛的疑慮我們現在是可以解決將來研發的成果是他們可以對接上去那有沒有在建立人才資料庫的這樣子的一個建制有因為所有的研究計畫一定都是有參與的人員特別是執行跟國防相關的一定這些人一定國防部都會 |
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國防科研非常的重要我想強化跟國防部跟中科院等等這些單位的用人的一個對接這個也是我們期待看到的一個方向不然這個錢要用在刀口上這個人才能培養好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席謝謝國務委員的詢問下一位有請 |
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謝榮介謝榮介謝榮介委員謝榮介委員他改書面質詢不好意思有請吳立華委員謝謝郭委員方便方便做主席嗎方便嗎不好意思因為政黨協商過去一下有請 |
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主委好主委好 |
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我知道在我们屏东满洲那个地方有一个叫做九鹏那过去它很知名叫九鹏基地嘛现在呢确评众选成为我们的国家发射场域 |
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所以在這邊其實不論是台東人、屏東人對於這麼邊陲的地方能夠建置一個國家的發射場大家都引頸期盼對兩邊的縣政府來講他們其實也是多所盼望所以在這裡我看到的就是原本 |
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按照我们国科会的一个规划时程本来提到说在112年会成立选址的审查委员会以及候选的场址会选出来但实际上的运作是到113年的3月26 |
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那原本規劃說113年要選定場址但實際上達標的時候是114年3月26所以在這邊想請教一下主委我們的國家發射場域預計會在什麼時候完成 |
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我們去年宣布的時候就是有提到說大概十年十年的時間因為剛剛委員提到說我們為什麼花時間花那麼多時間在選址就是因為溝通我們希望不要漏掉應該溝通的這些我們主委我不是要苛責啦我只是說有時候我們想像的規劃的往往跟實際會有落差嘛那 |
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到底國家發射場域您說10年所以到底是幾年從去年開始算對去年是114年所以 |
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10年内就是124年所以跟原先规划的119差5年好那没有关系我不知道原先有规划119因为去年我们宣布就是讲10年好没关系主委这一方面我们会发现我们的理想跟我们的实际是会有落差的那另外一个我也觉得你们很辛苦为什么呢因为我们其实都标榜着 |
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我們台灣擁有這些目前全世界最先端高科技所需要的這些關鍵技術或產品我們現在不是護國神山叫護國群山這是我們的驕傲我們的底氣但是呢談到太空的發展我們卻是遠遠的落後好不容易太空發展法 |
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已经有了那我们要追赶感觉上也追得很辛苦所以我觉得我们要来看那个钱那个经费可是我这样子看我拿到的数据我们不要去跟什么美国中国日本比我们至少可以跟韩国比可是我看到他们在这个最新一年的资料我们发现2024年他们的太空预算是 |
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折合台幣是330億我們的話大概是50億我覺得這個是6.6倍差很多差非常多那為什麼我要特別這樣子講因為我們也期待我們有了這個派空發展法之後有沒有可能未來衛星製造發射服務也能夠成為我們護國群山的一員 |
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但是呢我們看起來就是有點憂心那目前呢感覺上我們還在地面設備的部分還在努力因此我要講的是說我們在上個禮拜五一勞動節放假前的那一天4月30號的下午我們有召開一個太空生活圈的跨部會的研商會議當天有請屏東縣政府做簡報 |
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也有請太空中心做簡報那為什麼呢因為我們想要聽聽看太空中心的規劃跟屏東縣政府在做的這些事情那有沒有一些地方我們需要來幫忙所以是我們屏東三個立委徐富奎立委 鍾嘉斌立委我一個在教文委員會一個在交通委員會一個在經濟委員會所以呢我們想要幫忙 |
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未來國家發射場域 您知道 你有去過嗎 那個是200線 那個是禁止甲類的 大車是不能進去的 路很窄 不論你從199 你從200 都一樣 那個都是禁止甲類的 |
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所以道路總要拓寬吧要符合國家規格吧我們太空發展所需要的電所需要的水也應該要整備吧要不然要怎麼辦達標呢所以我們就開這樣的研商會議那我們確實發現屏東縣政府很辛苦 |
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他變成為了路為了水為了電他要用縣政府作為一個主體去爭取各部會既有的淨化經費可能還爭取不到所以這個部分其實是真的蠻辛苦的我們也知道你們的錢不多啦所以我們那天做出了三個會議結論那主委您聽聽看因為你是主管機關嘛 |
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由行政院成立專案辦公室統籌推動另外就是周邊這些所需要的基礎建設整體規劃希望國科會延提中長城建設計畫給國發會 |
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那當天國發會與會說會全力支持那另外未來需要的這些像是備援的水他需要的這個土地之類的我想就由屏東縣政府還有我們的國科會邀請相關部會在5月8號前做一個研商會議討論我不曉得主委你對於我們開的這個會的結論你覺得可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員我們會朝這個方向來努力就是我們在行政院我也會跟院長來報告這件事那跟不管是交通部還是說我們屏東縣政府這邊我們看怎麼樣來合作來推動 |
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這個事情 因為這條路的確是需要啦是 那不是只有路啦 還有水啊 電啊 很多包括我們應該要超前部署啊 要未雨綢繆我們也很重視啊 太空人才培育啊十年之後我們來得及培育啊所以我不太曉得說 目前國會會這個地方 |
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到底是做了什麼樣的一個人才培育計畫因為我看到114年有一個低軌通訊衛星計畫還有什麼太空產業推動人才培育計畫編列10.5億怎麼到115年下降變14.8億所以我想請教一下主委到底我們這個未來的人才培育計畫到底想怎麼做 |
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好 我可以請吳主任來回答可以 來 主任請委員你好我想我們從很多層面一個是從大學端的我想大學端的太空系統工程研究這個是已經去年的8月有第一批畢業了60名每年都會有60名這樣然後另外一個像清華大學他們其實沒有在教育部的協助他們也成立了太空工程研究所另外一個是從 |
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小學中學大學這個透過我們一個教育辦公室我想前幾個委員都有質詢我們展開一系列包括一些主題營還有競賽還有你看我們暑假每一年都跟這個屏東縣政府在合作這個Rocket Town Cup我想這個都非常多從面面向向來布這樣的局然後我想這個還有經濟部他們我想也做了非常多的事情對產業的人才培育我想都有在進行 |
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谢谢主任我之所以这样问我还是要提醒一下因为当初在立法太空发展法特别在第14条的第7款我很重视的就是在地人 |
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在地人因為我知道你們怎麼選你們一定會選到原住民的傳統領域所以我們非常重視在地他的整個周邊的基礎設施或者是在地的工作人力的投入或者是人才的培育我們也非常重視那我特別就是在這邊讓主委知道因為教育部那邊已經跟園民會啊考選部有合作有一個關鍵人才針對原住民的培育也就是說他們會找一些 |
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我們的頂大或者是地方的高中會在那個地方去做一個所謂的公費的培育那最主要就是我們需要什麼樣的科系我們就去找頂大合作那如果 |
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這個太空發射場域它確實就是在那個南部我想整個屏東線台東線要做這樣的一個原住民人才培育的投入會很重要所以我特別就是在這個地方提醒主委應該要去找教育部來討論一下要把我們太空發展所需要的從 |
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我們的國小階段 國中階段 高中跟頂大我希望要主動的去講我們希望找到一些科系一同的來合作讓原住民在未來不會缺席好不好 |
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那最後我就是要謝謝啦因為我在115年4月17號針對國科會的質詢的時候主委你也知道我很在意的就是原住民族的學門的建立啦那當然要從研究開始做起所以呢那個時候我有特別要求就是希望我們國科會 |
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關於族群研究跟原住民族研究要跨領域我非常的感謝因為我看到了在4月17號你們的會議當中呢已經開始徵求公告有一個會議在徵求公告以前是只有人文處我看到你們已經新增自然處工程處生科處然後呢已經把整個領域推廣 |
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智慧工程應用氣候風險應變原住民族特有植物生態與生物多樣性保育原住民族當代社會互動關係我非常的高興那我也製作了圖卡就是廣發周知讓大家知道國科會的一個努力當然我在114年10月22號國科會的質詢我另外又提了幾樣事一個就是希望會長 |
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散落各地原名研究期刊論文把它變成專書那我也希望做了這件事對於未來我們的AI的語料庫會有所幫助然後呢希望辦理原住民國際期刊或者是原住民知識培力團隊那這個部分當時我也是有希望說一個月內能夠給我一些回應那你們也有所回應當然沒有辦法那麼快速達到但是我就是在這個地方 |
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特别的来谢谢国歌会谢谢主委有把我们的质询我们的这个诉求真的是有一步一步的往前推进那也希望下一次不久的未来我们都可以听到我们这些诉求能够一一的能够实现好不好好 谢谢委员好 谢谢主委谢谢主席好 谢谢吴立华委员谢谢主委 |
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好謝謝郭玉琴委員謝謝我們下一位委員有請吳佩儀委員謝謝主席我請國科會吳承文主委有請主委 |
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好 主委好上次在這裡業務報告質詢的時候我們有關心過美國通過了TASA法案也就是明確的授權NASA可以跟台灣來進行合作就包括了技術合作還有人員的交流所以看起來在太空領域的台美合作這是我們台灣自己政府未來應該是一個長期的方向那不只是台灣美國國務院跟NASA發起的阿提米斯協議在國際間其實也帶動了整個 |
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太空活動的原則從2020年到今天已經有63個國家加入這一個協議所以顯示了美國在太空領域的影響力那麼這個NASA的阿提米茲計畫才剛剛飛向月球的背面所以這個可以說是看起來目前相當重要的太空計畫那我們有看到說太空中心跟國科會都有很積極的表示說台灣也想要來參與 |
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今年3月的時候吳宗信主任在美國是當面向NASA的署長表示說台灣希望成為探月計畫的一部分那我們吳承文諸位上個月在備詢台也說我們台灣一定會來參與那我們台灣出生的NASA的太空人07月近期來台灣他也說他相信台灣有能力為阿提米斯登月計畫來貢獻所長 |
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所以我想要請問主委的是具體來說我們台灣希望用什麼樣的方式來參與美國的這個登月計畫那我們是例如說是提供技術嗎還是說在太空載具的製作目前有沒有什麼樣這個具體的可以跟大家分享 |
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謝謝吳委員我們那個TASA法案我們還是靜待最後的一關要在美國國會通過可是還沒有最後一關之前其實NASA跟我們太空中心已經實質的合作已經啟動了這啟動就是剛剛吳委員提到我們的確是會參與 Artemis 的登月的這個計畫未來 |
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現在他們正在尋求我們的提案這個提案過程我們還是得保密這個項目還是得保密未來在月球的一些 |
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把我們的相關的籌債送上去這個事情我們正在努力我們會跟美國密切來合作所以台灣我們確實有就要參與這個阿提米斯登月計畫的合作在跟美國在進行洽談了 |
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那這個我想我們都非常的支持那麼台美合作除了剛剛講這個計畫以外這個太空人才的培育我相信也是很重要的在阿提米斯計畫當中現在看到的是2028年的時候預計阿提米斯4號要讓兩位太空人再次登陸月球2028年的時候 |
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阿提米斯五號預計就是要來去建立一個月球的基地所以講到這個太空人才的培育也有很多人在討論說台灣有沒有可能有我們的太空人我們目前台灣自己的太空計畫是沒有載人飛行的那NASA的太空人培訓他們有進行海選可是限美國的公民才可以報名參加就我所知NASA過去曾經跟日本有合作 |
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所以有培訓過日本的太空人洛田光一來參與國際太空站的計畫目前我們台灣有沒有在思考未來有沒有可能就太空人的培育來跟美國洽談合作呢各種可能性我們都會去去尋求可能的這個合作這個我們不會排除在外好我想這個是如果說未來台灣有會有我們自己的太空人對這個 |
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我們太空人才的培育 很多孩子其實從小的夢想大家在畫圖的時候都有夢想過想要成為太空人我想會是一個很大的這個精神上面的鼓舞那接下來還有時間所以我想要跟主委請教這個主任請回是我們國望中心這個我們發展AI要算力所以去年國會會有建制晶創26超級電腦這個在全球500大超級電腦的評比 |
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當中我們一舉奪下是第29名接近前30名其實相當的厲害這個他的算力的提升是預計會有怎麼樣的發揮呢是大幅的提升我們的算力嗎 |
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大幅提升算力主要是在AI的運算上面其實這種所謂的超級電腦的排名現在已經不是那麼重要未來是整個算力中心他能夠做的這個AI的運算的量到底多大多快那這個規模其實越來越大 |
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所以我們光是國管中心投資在這個地方其實是不夠的我們的重點是以政府的政策能夠吸引民間投資那民間的投資現在大家已經看到已經在發生了就是我們民間的業者包含像鴻海、偽創之通都已經建置 |
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相當龐大的資料中心也正在擴充當中那他們的量會比政府的投資還要大很多所以不是只有一個超級電腦而是相當大的這個這個算力這個才是未來的重點是期待民間也要一起來投入不過這個金創26大家還是很期待因為網頁上面說目前測試當中那預計第三季要來上線所以我們目前是會如期上線嗎 |
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會 會如期上線它的使用就是有看到說它可以協助金融國防等等的這個大型語言模型的訓練那學界可以用 公部門可以用 那業界民間可不可以來使用呢我們會保留部分的算力來鼓勵我們民間的這個軟體的業者來開發相關的這個模型 |
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適合我們現在推動AI新時代建設所以我們最後全民智慧生活圈需要很多的這個應用端的這個AI的模型來促進百工百業的發展所以這部分我們也會補助補助相關的業者來使用我們的算力因為剛好提到嘛其實民間要來投入算力的投資這個很重要所以我想要開放業界來使用然後這個我們要持續來擴充啦當它進到商轉就要用到我們真正很龐大的民間的資源是 |
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沒錯所以未來這個我們要持續來擴充那在預算方面我們也會來支持謝謝主委謝謝主持人好又謝謝委員我們下一位委員是柯真委員改書面質詢 |
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宗嘉斌 宗嘉斌 宗嘉斌委員林楚英 林楚英 林楚英委員謝一鳳 謝一鳳 謝一鳳委員戴惠元 戴惠元 戴惠元委員林倩琪 林倩琪 林倩琪委員蔡宇宇 蔡宇宇 蔡宇宇委員今天登記的質詢委員均已發言完畢 詢答結束另外柯志恩委員 謝榮介委員提出書面質詢列入公報紀錄並且相關的機關以書面答覆關於本日下面下午會議我們做如下的決議報告詢答全部結束 |
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委員質詢要求相關的資料以及未能夠及時答覆的請機關趕緊用書面答覆115年中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員所屬單位預算案行政院國家 |
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科學技術發展基金科學研區管理局作業基金附屬單位預算案115年度新政法人國家災害防救科技中心以及國家太空中心的預算案相關預算提案請於5月28中午12時提出令定期來繼續審查報告委員會下午議程處理完畢現在休息明天上午9時繼續開會 |
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這樣回辦公室附近就先回辦公室 |