| IVOD_ID |
17413 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17413 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-06T08:36:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-06T12:40:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:03:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dde2c43aff6c47feb9a2808070c7b1ccff92d343e5acb26cebc99f0fa939dc893e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司營業預算。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部民用航空局單位預算。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金－民航事業作業基金分預算。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管桃園國際機場股份有限公司營業預算。【本次會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一至五預算提案截止收件時間：5月14日下午4時】【5月6日及7日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:04 - 12:40:00 |
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好 出席委員已足法列人數 我們先來開會請議事人員先宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第十一次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年五月四日星期一上午九時至十二時十八分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員洪孟凱等十四人列席委員鍾嘉斌等四人列席官員國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信德交通部政務次長吳聖元等主席黃洲籍委員建豪 |
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報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一二審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算 |
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本任會議由國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信德交通部政務次長吳聖元等報告後暨由委員洪孟凱等16人提出質詢均經主任委員林信德等及相關人員分別予以答覆決議一報告及詢答完畢二委員與質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分 |
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請國家運輸安全調查委員會交通部及相關機關尽速以書面答覆三 討論事項第一案及第二案均另定期進行處理委員預算提案於5月11日下午4時前截止收件散會宣讀完畢好 我們稍後再來處理議事錄現在介紹列席人員列席官員交通部陳士凱部長 |
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會計處黃宏文處長鐵道局楊振軍局長主計是陳康廷主任國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司台鐵董事長鄭光源董事長台鐵會計處處長曾棟君曹棟君抱歉民航局局長何淑萍 |
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民航局主計室主任劉於貞桃園國際機場股份公司董事長楊維福董事長桃機會計處助理副總兼任處長楊秀榮行政院主計總處公務預算處曾益聖專委基金預算處李政道科長 |
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新北市捷工局主秘圖冠迪那本日進行鐵道局及所屬民用航空局單位預算審查台鐵公司桃園國際機場公司營業預算審查及民航事業作業基金非營業預算審查但因為今天這個要報告單位比較多稍後我們請各單位報告的時候盡量這個檢約二要首先我們先請交通部陳部長進行報告 |
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主席各位委員女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就鐵道局國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司民用航空局及桃園機場股份有限公司一百一十五年度施政業務計畫以及預算編列情形提出報告預算編列情形分數如下一鐵道局單位預算稅入編列三千兩百九十九萬稅出編列 |
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367億餘元二國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司營業基金總收入編列482億餘元總支出編列464億餘元預計淨利18億餘元三民用航空局單位預算稅入編列6382萬餘元稅出編列5億餘元 |
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4.民航事業作業基金總收入編列215億餘元總支出編列149億餘元預計剩餘65億餘元5.桃園機場股份有限公司營業基金總收入編列257億餘元總支出編列195億餘元預計淨利62億餘元 |
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各預算編制主要內容分別請鐵道局楊局長國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司鄭董事長民用航空局何局長以及桃園機場股份有限公司楊董事長向各位委員提出報告與說明敬請各位委員會與支持謝謝好謝謝陳部長接下來我們請鐵道局楊局長進行報告 |
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主席各位委員今天就鐵道局115年度施政計畫及預算編列前提出報告 敬請各位委員指教114年度鐵道局的預算在稅入的部分是20億餘元決算數是21億稅出預算是224億9千萬餘元執行率是99.59% |
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本局的施政計畫重點包括五個項目第一個是鐵路地體化建設第二個是桃園機場捷運延伸中立還有增設機場S4站及基隆捷運的相關建設的補助經費第三個重點是花東地區的鐵路建設也就是花東鐵路雙軌化的建設這些工作目前都是在 |
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而積極的進行當中第4個是配合交通部的AI應用的數據相關轉型在鐵道局的部分那邊有3800餘萬元那麼第5個工作是工程管理我想鐵道局的工作有大部分都是在台鐵的領軌所以相關的施工安全是我們 |
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执行中的重点115年度的预算编列情形税务预算编列3299万元较上年度减少20亿元是因为铁道发展基金的缴扣数减列所致那税出预算编列预算较去年大幅成长今年编列367亿6800余万元 |
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主要辦理的工作包括第一個一般行政第二個鐵道業務第三個國家建設與管理第四個是本項預算編列的重點也就是鐵道及捷運建設計畫編列310億餘元主要辦理台鐵平鎮臨時站台鐵陶地計畫花東雙軌計畫嘉義鐵路高架台南鐵路地下化嘉義縣市鐵路高架計畫以及鐵源中心計畫等等 |
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那這些計劃的相關預算就要上年度增加178億主要是其中有四項計劃由前瞻一列到公務預算所致那預期的市政績效今年度我們預期可以完成台南鐵路地下化的下地運轉第二個是平鎮車站預計在今年的10月份能夠通車啟用 |
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其他的工作大部分都是工程上的重要里程碑以上是本局115年度的單位預算我們已經橫著了相關的輕重緩急以及晚年度的施政績效 敬請各位委員會以指教及支持 謝謝謝謝楊局長 我們接下來請台鐵公司鄭董事長進行報告 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生大家好今天請代表 |
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台鐵公司向各位委員就115年度預算進行報告台鐵公司化以後我們始終秉持著嚴謹而務實的態度面對各項的挑戰115年度是台鐵關鍵的轉型期我們期待將以安全準點便捷作為經營的基石致力實現永續發展的願景 |
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在115年度我們將聚焦四大經營策略目標第一個策略是確保安全我們將持續落實安全管理體系SMS對重大事故維持零容忍的態度目標的行車事故事件將從去年的降下29%以確保旅客死亡的重大行車事故率為零 |
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第二策略是提升服務準點率將提升到97.7以上每日的旅運目標將達到67.5萬人次並且提出台鐵新服務重點要塑造民眾對台鐵的信任希望能夠帶動84.3分以上的顧客滿意度第三策略是永續經營來推動 |
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2011.494 |
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2038.532 |
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五大明珠項鍊的計畫預計我們的附屬事業佔比將突破25%同時要落實ESG的願景完成32個車站的減碳3%的目標第四個策略是幸福企業有快樂的員工才會有滿意的顧客因此我們會透過各項的措施讓員工的移植率控制在3%以下 |
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2039.853 |
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2062.755 |
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那整體在業務創新方面我們會以安全為主著來串聯台鐵五大明珠項鍊換句話說我們會深化TPAS的政策以拓展貨運物流以增加我們本業的收入同時我們加速資產開發的活化打造車站生活城市 |
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2063.496 |
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2075.437 |
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此外我們也已經成立台鐵便當的卓越創新小組那麼來提高我們的便當產能同時希望能夠發揮台鐵便當的品牌價值 |
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2076.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2099.567 |
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我們會透過台鐵架騎跟台鐵夢工廠的結合在地的創商來打造搭台鐵由台灣以及體驗地方特色的精緻旅遊接下來跟大家報告115年預算編列的情形115年預算案的核心意義在於財務結構的優化我們預計115年的淨利為18.36億元 |
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2107.059 |
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2132.096 |
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在總收入編列482.88億元比去年的預算大幅成長了120.52億元成長的動力來自於票價的合理調整TPAS政策帶動的客運成長以及資產開發跟富士事業銷售的持續增加同時我們在這邊特別感謝政府在 |
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2132.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2138.217 |
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的補貼113年票價未調整的營運虧損67.34億元在總支出編列464.52億元是因為受到電費電價的這個調漲設備維護費用以及新車折舊的增加而有所增加另外我們也透過了 |
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2161.648 |
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2179.195 |
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費用的結構優化用人費用也微幅的縮減1.64億元在資本支出我們總共編列了186.53億元以持續來提升本公司的競爭力其中包括專案的計畫投資155.05億元用於重大鐵路建設與長期發展計畫以及一般計畫 |
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2186.758 |
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2196.749 |
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投資31.48億元來強化日常營運的設施跟更新與優化那接下來跟大家 |
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2198.88 |
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2216.992 |
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報告114年預算執行的成效114年是台鐵試運市場變化的震盪期整體表現可以說是營收成長支出可控在運輸本業方面旅客的日均運量是66.5萬人次增幅2.69% |
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2222.181 |
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2239.65 |
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貨運則受到票價調整的影響導致運量出現結構性的減幅高達17.58%因此本公司正積極辦理各項貨運優惠措施以及物流、異業的結盟期盼能夠來恢復貨運的營收 |
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2242.071 |
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2246.034 |
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在財務結算方面114年的總收入是384.67億元執行率達106.16%表現優於預期總支出也達478.2億元達成率是在106.76%與收入成長的步調大致相符 |
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2266.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2271.134 |
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雖然本年度仍有淨損但是已經比113年度的減少虧損43.6億元展現顯著的經營改善成效在建設投資計畫部分 |
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2283.429 |
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2300.301 |
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專案計畫跟一般計畫的執行率都達到94.6%的高標展現對於重大鐵路轉型工程與現有廠商設施維護優化的高度執行力最後跟大家報告 |
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2301.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2319.885 |
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台鐵公司化以後力求成為連結人情與專業的服務平台未來我們會善用環島入網的優勢以五大明珠項鍊策略將營運的亮點轉化為經營效益加速財務體質優化 |
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2322.807 |
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2349.199 |
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台鐵公司承諾會以更嚴謹的專業管理以更溫暖的服務品質實現國家地方與台鐵共榮共好的目標懇請各位委員對115年度預算案給予大力支持與指導謝謝大家好我們謝謝台鐵政董事長接下來我們請民航局何局長進行報告 |
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2360.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2389.594 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生今天一邀列席個人會就本局一百一十五年度的施政計劃跟預算別列期型提出報告敬請各位委員指教一百一十四年的本局的單位預算執行的稅入跟民航事業作業基金的分預算的業務總收入均較預算數來增加那整個剩餘基金的剩餘為五十五億元那固定資產的一個建設改良計劃的預算數決算為一百九十億元 |
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2390.494 |
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2412.735 |
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那115年的施政計畫首先就是依據國際民航組織的一個航空安全的目標跟我國國家的民用航空安全的計畫全面來強化我們的飛航安全持續推動航空保安的管理跟一站式保安的措施提升飛航安全的一個韌性落實機場空撤的查核及地面作業的管理 |
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2413.195 |
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2423.201 |
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那在助導航設備也持續泰興相關的燈光跟通訊等等相關設施那在機場的建設部分以前關前瞻的規劃為導向辦理這個台灣地區民用機場2045年的系統規劃並持續推動松山台中高雄的機場整體建設藍圖 |
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2433.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2452.969 |
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那同時我們也持續推進桃園航空城的區段徵收的用地取得計畫並持續改善松山高雄台東金門南竿北竿的跑滑道系統以及松山國際航廈的耐震補強跟高雄國際新航廈的工程包含嘉義還有四里島的一個外觀風貌改善 |
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2453.59 |
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2470.337 |
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那第三部分就是透過推動這個國際航權的推動協助航空公司的引進CG提升我國航網的跟運能那同時也充沛這個地勤的量能符合尖峰運作的需求積極來持續引進資金進駐自由貿易港區帶動航空貨運量的提升 |
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2474.179 |
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2492.009 |
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第四部分有關這個打造一個智慧機場跟推動綠色的一個減碳措施同時民航局也積極推動這個SARF跟COSIA的一個減碳作業那也就航管的部分推動新一代的航管系統的提升能夠改善空運的運作效能 |
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2492.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2518.864 |
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那優化機場的作業程序包含建置了PBN的航路來節省飛行的一個距離那也透過共享資訊平台提供飛航服務的訊息交換那在培育專業人才的部分我們配合國際的一個接軌辦理了相關訓練跟會議來提升新進跟在職人員的一個市值的訓練跟考核那也因應無人機的快速發展 |
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2519.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2540.792 |
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我們持續優化一站式的網路申請服務來檢數 檢審相關文書的往返跟公務人力那有關一五年度的預算編列 稅入的部分編列了三千 六萬三千萬然後主要是規費的收入部分 稅出的部分是五億三 主要是一般行政跟相關的人員人事費用 |
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2541.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2556.889 |
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那在民航作業基金的部分 業務總收入預算數是215億元然後主要是預估以後的航空運量的一個上升的增加然後業務支出部分是149億元那再來本期的剩餘會達到65億 較上年度會增加這個 |
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2563.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2583.509 |
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26億元那在固定資產的部分我們也編列了159億元主要用在桃園航空城還有高雄國際新機場等等相關的機場建設那預期整個的施政效益透過修訂簽訂通航協定透過自貿港的一個港區的一個發展包含各機場的智慧化跟航空的檢探 |
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2585.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2605.545 |
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我們也持續的會以飛安為先服務為本跟永續為之的態度來提升我國航空運輸跟安全的一個水準跟國際的一個競爭力那本局115年度的預算案以橫著以往年度的執行績效並配合施政需求妥適編列敬請各位委員會與指教謝謝 |
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2609.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2612.998 |
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好謝謝我們何局長接下來我們請桃園國際機場公司楊董事長進行報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2625.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2645.109 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生以下請就桃園國基產公司114年度的預算執行情形及115年度的業務計畫重點跟預算編列情形提出簡要報告首先報告114年度截止到12月底子預算的執行情形在營業總輸入的部分預算數是244億1484萬億元 |
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2648.251 |
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2653.394 |
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實際的執行數是256億1481萬餘元佔預算數的104.9%主要是因為營運量子的成長所致在營業總支出的部分預算數166億6463萬餘元實際執行數163億5507萬餘元佔預算數的98.14%主要是修養這個修理保養跟保固費用等以實際需求辦理 |
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2677.33 |
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2685.837 |
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在固定資產建設改良中的計畫的部分呢可用預算是為220億9438萬餘元實際執行數218億餘元那總預算數是98.93%接下來包括我們115年度的業務計畫重點跟預算編列的情形首先包括業務計畫重點的部分115年度的業務計畫重點我們是成為亞太地區客貨均能發展的韌性樞紐機場為發展定位 |
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2706.232 |
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2723.717 |
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推動重大的航空基礎建設 升級設備設施提供多元的服務 致力提升服務的品質將朝以下的三個面向來努力第一個面向 推動機場建設的再升級目前持續推動第三航站區的建設跟第三跑道的建設計畫以提升服務的量能 滿足未來運量的需求 |
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2728.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2748.247 |
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第二個部分將優化設施持續提升智慧機場服務的效能透過各種智慧化的設施提升機場運營的效率提供更優質的服務提升旅客的體驗第三個部分打造低碳綠色永續的機場來落實企業永續發展跟機場夥伴共同努力 |
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2749.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2767.276 |
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邁向靜林碳排綠色機場其次報告預算編列的情形的部分分為以下五點第一點在營運量子方面115年度的預估旅客服務的量能將達到4918萬人次航空器服務的部分為265700架次在營業總輸入的部分 |
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2771.778 |
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2777.382 |
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因為營運量此飛升 變略的預算數是257.9億元較114年度的預算數將增加13.77億元增幅為5.64%在營業總支出的部分 變略179.63億元較114年度的預算數增加了12.98億元增幅7.79% |
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2795.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2809.748 |
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主要是因為第三航廈北廊廳啟用以至於相關的折舊費用跟營運的成本在逐漸增加當中在稅後經歷的部分經過扣除所得稅15.66億元之後我們的稅後經歷預估為62.63億元在固定資產編列的部分計畫編列345.59億元其中包括專案計畫的部分有323.94億元其中第三航站區的建設計畫為 |
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2825.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2851.14 |
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274.77億元第三跑道建設計畫的部分為49.17億元另外一般建設及建築設備編列的部分有21.6億元以上是辦理機場各項設施的設備優化跟升級所需本公司致力建構安全穩定的服務體系創造最佳服務的體驗跟營運的效率同時積極推動智慧化的轉型跟永續發展的環境 |
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2851.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2867.551 |
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朝向任興機場智慧機場跟綠色機場的目標來邁進並將持續擴大機場語音的量能以攜手機場服務大聯盟的夥伴提供更優質的服務以上報告進行各位指教並會議支持謝謝好謝謝我們楊董事長 |
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2875.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2895.927 |
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我們現在進行詢答先宣告以下事項詢答時間出席委員6加1分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記在10點30分截止各委員如果有提案請在10點前提出以便一次人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘我們現在請登記第一位委員侯孟楷委員發言 |
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2906.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2909.001 |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請我們交通部陳時凱部長好 我們請陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2916.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2942.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
委員好部長好 今天兩個議題跟你就較其中第一個比較簡短也要請交通部直接來回應就是針對中東的一個形勢那現在赫姆斯海峽這邊說有8艘我們台灣級的船舶現在在那邊卡住那我們也看到行政院長已經指示了就是交通部應該要來協助做相關的恢復正常航行那請教現在交通部的因應計畫好 向委員報告 |
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2943.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2957.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
我們明天會跟外交部這邊來會面我們希望說透過外交的方式看在中東那個部分我們可以提供航商什麼樣子的協助這八艘的船舶墜場已經停在那邊多久了 |
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2958.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2976.738 |
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到現在應該三個多月了三個暫時開始到現在三四個月應該有了吧暫時是二二八開始到現在所以兩個月的暫時你說停在那邊三個多月抱歉兩個多月是兩個多月快三個月所以說從一開始的時候其實這船舶就卡在那邊沒有辦法進出對他暫時一爆發之後那個地方就封鎖好 |
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2977.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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也因此現在這個問題像是一個嚴重的問題嘛而且我們不知道說什麼時候會再開放嘛那但是透過外交的系統因為現在總共一千六百多艘的船舶都在那邊那其中台灣只佔八艘但有其他也是我們台灣相關需要的物資因此這當然很重要但有沒有把握能夠溝通還是一定要看 |
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美國 伊朗這些大國他們的戰事才有辦法像委員報告很坦白的說我們交通部在中東的這個各個國家確實我們沒有比較特殊的方法因為各國的這個航艦跟船舶都在那個地方沒有辦法通過那我們昨天也看到一個新聞韓國有一艘貨輪 |
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也被轟炸是那這個部分其實台灣的這個交通部沒有比較特殊的方法不過我們還是會跟外交部來商討一個辦法就是說我們透過那邊的外交途徑有沒有可能做什麼樣子的溝通那明天我們跟外交部討論完之後再向委員來報告有可能嗎因為那邊我們其實也沒有邦交過 |
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我們在過程當中有一些旅客我們在那個時候滯留戰爭剛開始的時候滯留在那個地方我們透過跟外交部之間的合作還有跟民航公司的合作我們確實把我們的國人就很快速的送回來那 |
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這是傳播的部分傳播的部分我們也試圖啦試試看有沒有辦法跟他們來溝通好了陳部長本席會提出這個問題是因為這確實發生可是也看得出來是說中華民國在國際現實上面其實相對來講我能夠施力有限我這樣說其實各國在那個地方本席的結論還是一樣啦就是說真的全世界都不應該要有戰爭或是戰爭的發生來另外一個議題其實我來簡報 |
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我要先講一下最近這個TPAS預算也已經在審查然後也已經通過那我們就大家都共同來使用但我先要開中秘先講其實2020年本席進來到立法院的時候就開始爭取說希望1280的定期票能夠納入不管是季節納入更多元的一個服務從2020開始那我們再來下一頁 |
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在2022年的時候其實本席就有開過一個公聽會那時候也希望就是我們能夠爭取台鐵集結納入雙北定期票當時我們怎麼講我們說希望能夠納入其實最重要的是什麼是希望能夠擴大生活圈的一個服務並且中央如果說能夠有補貼機制的話其實對於整個128年的定期票能夠提升服務那當時啊 |
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本席也是交通委員可是當時的交通部踩得很硬講說中央沒有錢這一塊不可能可是很神奇的地方是當時縣市長選舉的時候綠營的市長他們有提出來一個1200或是1280的定期票的時候馬上中央改口就說這樣是可以的可是不管怎麼樣我想重點在於是大家都有看到這一個服務是希望能夠擴大所以 |
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在11月9號的時候其實綠營提出來的時候蔣萬安辦公室這邊也講是說這其實就是抄襲的政策但本席的方向比較一致本席講的是說如果說是好的政策因為政策好的就是這個方向所以大家願意來推動這是好事所以照變什麼來後面 |
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行政院2023年的2月24終於拍板了說是可以1200定期票來上路而且最重要的解決的關鍵是下面最後一句其實是交通部來補貼交通部補貼直轄市50%鐵路台鐵跟公路客運中央補貼90% |
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因為有中央的補貼所以我們那時候就講嘛如果說沒有中央的補貼的話這個政策沒有辦法推動那中央要做不做其實就是思考是說有沒有辦法讓全台的 |
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交通方式能夠改變然後擴大服務讓大家更能夠使用大眾運輸而減少私家車其實夢城路上也是對於我們交通的一個進化或說一個提升好那現在也有人提到是說是不是TPAS要納入高鐵的部分但我覺得這是一個議題本席過去沒有想過是為什麼是因為現在高鐵其實運能已經滿載 |
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所以我覺得是說一定要等到新的高鐵列車過來才有可能可是另外一個部分是本席在2022年的2023年的7月的時候我就提出一個概念我覺得說我們要解決最後一里路更加的重要來 |
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就是如果說我們能夠把現在有的1200T-Plus的票券能夠再納入所謂一般民眾在市區很常使用的所謂的共享機車那這樣子也許就可以解決最後一里路我們要的是什麼是一個地區的生活圈通勤的朋友能夠更加的方便來我們看下一張其實本席也先幫你整理資料 |
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台北市有差不多一萬兩千台的共享機車其實算是最多新北市加桃園也差不多佔了全台的整個北部加起來差不多佔了七成的共享機車量所以如果說這樣子推估的話應該北部有差不多1.5萬輛到2萬輛的共享機車那這共享機車的量能其實是可以把它刺激起來的話對於我們整體的大眾運輸會更加方便來 |
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共享機車有什麼特點其實就跟我們現在在推的TPAS是一樣的就是它是解決公眾運輸的最後一里路最後一里路相對重要嘛如同我們的辦公場域如果說在那附近的話能夠解決最後一里路大家就會選擇說我不用開私家車 |
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而是我可以搭種運輸工具不管是台鐵不管是捷運然後到捷運站或台鐵站之後再轉乘再轉搭共產機車或是U-bike來去解決車會里路就可以完成大家的一個上班的需求好 |
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所以下一張本席現在也特別幫交通部今天整理為什麼我今天會來就是我希望是很務實跟理性的討論你看一下U-Bike如果說現在的現行的政策是30分鐘免費所以它的騎乘保守估計我都以最保守 差不多6公里我可以在30分鐘內6公里的移動範圍 |
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那如果說加入共享機車的話它可以增加一倍變成它保守估計它可以增加到12公里那12公里什麼概念呢如果說我們以立法院現在我們所在位置為中心點來發散的話 |
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部長你就可以看很明顯喔它的移動範圍跟涵蓋範圍其實就會非常的廣如果我們現在以U-Bike為30分鐘免費的話它的6公里的半徑範圍它其實是涵蓋中山區、松山區最遠可以到大安區可是如果說我們再把共享機車給納進來的話它甚至可以到信義區跟南港區的邊緣 |
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所以對於如果說今天我們假設我們今天在這個會議室裡面有很多朋友他可能住在是內湖區或是南港區的他未來要來立法院他如果有這個TPAS 1200能納入共享機車的話他移動的方式就有更多種選擇 |
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可以坐台鐵南港車站到火車站再走過來可以坐捷運信義線拉過來也可以如果說今天交通相對來講比較這個允許的範圍內共享機車 UBIKE都是選項之一它就變成是說它的服務範圍會更廣 |
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好 我講那麼多其實部長您看得出來是我是非常希望能夠有一個政策務實的討論的方向那我也看到今天的報導剛好 |
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光陽機車 光陽電動機車他說要調高資費求生為什麼因為他覺得是說撐不下去了這是今天聯合報很巧我也不知道說今天聯合報會出現這樣的一個新聞可是它裡面其中最重要一點是他講說市場解讀光陽認為汽電保油就是說現在交通部的政策是補助政策改為油電平權所以恐怕連政府的立場都是汽電保油 |
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我先請教政府立場有氣墊保油嗎我想應該是沒有沒有嗎沒有氣墊保油這件事既然部長講沒有氣墊保油那我們要看到實際的作為因為你現在油電補助區域一致是事實也因此我們就想要講的是說如果能夠讓TPAS也納入共享機車讓更多的共享機車能夠服務的話也許擴大使用率 |
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那也可以讓一般的民眾他的上班有更多通勤有更多選擇移動範圍也更廣那不只是台北市、新北市包括說我們昭緯的台中市部長出身的台中市或者是高雄如果說能夠有T-Pass加入共享機車的話我相信對於共享機車的業者他們也比較有信心或比較有興趣多投入一些共享機車的數量到台中、高雄等地區擴大服務因為大家就會更方便嘛 |
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部長您覺得這個方向怎麼樣感謝委員的關心您的這個想法我第一次聽到但是我覺得這個是很好的想法如果公共運輸的最後一段路除了U-bike就是腳踏車之外可以把這個共享機車電動的共享機車能夠加入的話或許是完成最後一里路很重要的一塊拼圖 |
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那不過因為TPAS這個政策是要由地方來提出我們歡迎地方提出這樣子的政策來跟我們交通部來討論那我們也會很認真的來跟他們討論這個未來的設計的方向如果地方政府認為有需要都可以提出討論好 部長本席簡單結論兩點我也知道說政府的政策就是兩個部分嘛要嘛錢要嘛人嘛 |
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就誰來做跟我有沒有預算來做嘛所以本席現在思考的是說地方政府要提出或是說中央我們這邊來合作或是我們站在中央民意代表的角度我們找大家來開個公聽會來往這個方向做但我先肯定你剛剛的講法至少你沒有排斥這樣的一個政策而且你也認為是說能夠解決作會理路是可行的 |
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好 那第二個部分 錢的部分也許中央的預算能夠再思考有沒有這個餘力或者是用現在有人提出來TPAS加價購也許加價一個月1200但是我因為我想要使用共享機車的方式所以我也許我的那個票價是加價300元 400元一個月但我就可以每半小時可以免費騎乘 |
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那超過半小時之後再依照共享機車的一個費率去計算那還有第三當然有沒有業者願意投入嘛如果業者評估他也覺得是說這跟我的服務方向不一致他不願意參與那政府不可能自己來做共享機車嘛所以我覺得這三方面如果說能夠達成但至少說今天有一個初步的一個共識我們認為說這可行那我們往這個方向推那未來也許我們召開公聽會也許我們召開這個政策討論會 |
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來把這個更聚焦在這邊部長這樣可以嗎可以這個部分由地方政府來設計那委員願意來主動來召開公聽會我們都相當歡迎好那到時候我們就進一步來推動那我們也希望交通部站在一個不管是儲管機關或是一個開放的態度然後我們能夠來共同來推動因為這個說實在話不是為了哪一個地方而已北北基桃是一個生活圈但中張頭也是生活圈 |
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高高平也是生活圈所以如果說能夠讓這幾個生活圈甚至竹竹苗只要能夠讓這生活圈能夠更方便來使用這相關的大眾運輸工具減低碳排然後並且讓大家都能夠享有便宜的通勤方式我覺得我們都一起來努力好嗎好謝謝部長謝謝委員好謝謝侯孟楷委員接下來我們請李崑哲委員發言 |
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謝謝張偉請一下陳士凱部長台鐵鄭光源董事長楊振鈞局長何淑萍何局長我們請部長我們局長楊局長鄭董事長跟何局長 |
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好 部長跟鄭董事長我先就較於相關台鐵越台門的議題那其實在2022年跟2024年我就多次針對越台門設置的議題就較於交通部跟台鐵因為多次發生旅客落軌的這樣一個事件所以我們就研議相關越台門設置的議題那 |
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多次的會議跟台鐵的討論那就設定在高雄第二月台來設置這種纜繩升降式的月台門那預計在今年六月要四雲轉 |
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那9月要正式的啟動這樣的一個月台門的設置那其實在整個過程裡面當然對於提升旅客的安全有更具體的保障之外但是在設置的過程以及6月底要試運轉到9月要正式的啟用 |
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我發現還是有一些技術上的問題那這些技術上的問題我不曉得鄭董事長你有沒有發現你們現在基本的因為他們設置的這個過程來請簡單說明 |
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是的 謝謝委員指教那事實上我們現在是準備在6月再做順應轉我們在5月8號開始也對於我們的戰務人員那麼開始進行SOP的教育訓練那同時在我們的司機員這部分也一樣的開始做這方面的教育訓練 |
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好 我要提醒鄭董事長 我們台鐵 越台門的這樣的一個設置其實要考慮到車種的一個差異性我們的車種非常的多 相關的適用性 這個是很一個重要的關鍵我們看到我們的車種有UNU3000還有PP特拉4的自強號 還有E500這些 |
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車種複雜而且它車門的位置也都不一對於月台門的精準度其實是有很大的一個挑戰這種車種的差異其實我認為對於停車也有一定的困難性 |
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那例如說我們針對UNU3000的這種車種司機有跟我反映說視角受限就是說它的輔助線的能見度大概只有50公分而已而且列車的速度要在時速5公里以下才能勉強看到 |
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那在列車感應的這種容許的誤差範圍只有50公分的要求之下其實司機面臨很大的一個停車的壓力那我們台鐵的這種車種的差異我們要在設計上如何確保各種車種的一個適用性鄭總事長簡單說明一下 |
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是的 這個問題我們司機委員有相當大的反應也針對這個問題我們也多次的跟司機委員來做溝通所以在各種的方式譬如說我們是不是增加我們在標線的 |
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輔助那能夠協助我們的這個司機員在這個容許範圍裡面他能夠很順利的能夠達到這個在技術上在操作上都要面臨時機的問題都要去加強排除演練讓這種一個精準度跟旅客的安全列車的安全要有具體的一個保障那現在我們來討論說高雄的越台門在設計上 |
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當然它有感應偵測跟相關的控制的一個設備那它是會自動化的一個對位但是在現實之中當然人為的操縱當然有時候會有問題那會產生落差另外就是感應器的這個誤差的範圍其實它的要求是很高的那即因為 |
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常常會因為這種車位的位置的這樣停車位置的偏移或者是感應器的異常或者是機械故障會導致月台門無法開啟那我們必須要建立明確的手動排除SOP就是現場人員在 |
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當下面臨這種極大的應變壓力之下如果去做手動排除的這種SOP來保障旅客的安全你們有做這樣一個手動排除的SOP嗎是的就是剛才跟委員報告說我們5月8號這個現場的尤其是那個站務人員一定要在這個這種情況之下做這種演練有什麼演練 |
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就是說這個如果有這個有問題的時候那我們應該怎麼樣手動來排除我們針對這種感應的失效或者是運動的故障應該要訂定很明確的這一種手動開啟的流程系統發生故障的時候前線人員 第一線人員他必須要有具備這一種 |
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手動的一個排除的處置能力那我們的司機員 |
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站務人員 乘務人員他都要進行實務的一個演練包括司機員對輔助標線的一個熟悉度還有站務人員 乘務人員遭遇到故障的時候手動排除問題的配套措施必須要完善第二就是司機員司機員針對新版標線 |
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以及對胃感應系統的熟悉度的訓練這個要加強 |
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乘務人員如果遭遇他們無法聯動開啟的時候啊他的手動開啟跟旅客的疏導的這樣的一個流程啊也必須要研練要熟悉啊那站務人員就是說日常設備的巡檢還有基礎故障的回報訓練啊這都是很基礎的一些應變的措施而且我們六月就要試運轉 |
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6月到9月這段期間是一個很重要的黃金時期我們針對越台門之間車種所造成的差異以及對於相關的手動排除如果因為感測因為設施因為人為操作產生誤差的時候我們要如何讓這些手動排除的流程SOP能夠讓相關的人員能夠熟練這是一個重要的議題來鄭董事長說明一下是的 |
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委員所提到的這三種司機員、乘務人員、站務人員應該要具備手動排除這個障礙的這個情況就是我們現在訓練的重點那其實鄭同事講我跟相關的人員、站務人員、乘務人員、司機都有初步的對話過他們是有這個擔憂那我們也不希望這樣的一個更進一步保障旅客安全的設施 |
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反而因為一些手動排除的不夠熟練或是車門無法精準的對位造成相關的旅客上下車的困擾那這個我們必須要去積極的一個改善另外我們設置月台門是要保障旅客的一個安全當然 |
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全台的車站也不可能一次到位當然我們有特等站、一等站、二等站、檢疫站、招呼站等等也不是每個車站都要設置月台門我們必須要設定明確的一個設置的標準我們營業處 台鐵營業處應該邀請各區處我們針對相關的營運的人次 |
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營運的需求車站的環境以及相關的場地的限制甚至是旅客落軌事件的當地的一個基本的統計來設定優先設置月台門的順序我們有做嗎 |
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我們就朝這個方向 朝這個方向但是因為他們也不是唯一的手段因應不同的站點我們要融入要納入更多的一個評估的報告就是說考量其他防止落軌的科技手段這個也必須要去研議是部長那你簡單說明一下 |
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謝謝委員您的關心非常的前瞻那您在關心的這些剛好是我們未來要作為改善的參考因為它是第一座那所以台鐵的同仁們必須要學習也必須要適應那在過程當中一定會有些擔憂或者遇到一些問題那會作為我們未來改善的依據 |
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部長最後一個問題我們針對高雄捷運目前是要四線齊發不管是小港陵園線或是相關的岡山路組的延伸線以及黃線捷運以及紫線捷運我們都希望針對在目前高雄快速發展以及轉型的重要階段 |
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相關的大眾運輸交通設施的一個設置跟推動是關係到這個城市重要的一個發展那我們現在黃線捷運也已經正式動工第一階段而且進度也算符合相關的一個期待那另外就是紫線紫線的部分在 |
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2025年的時候交通部已經有完成現勘跟初審那高雄市政府也在今年的3月修正之後再交由交通部來做審查那個楊振興局長簡單說明一下什麼時候會進行審的目前的進度 |
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現在我們正請相關的審議單位表示意見當中我們會盡速來處理部長現在最重要的一題就是經費的缺口要補足不要讓高雄的捷運建造不能中斷我們2026年報給中央的需求金額跟中央實際核定的金額 |
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這個差異高達103億那雖然市政府有自己編了25億但是還有77.8億的這樣的一個差額那當然因應新版的財化法的一個通過那各地方的捷運建設其實都受到影響但是各地方縣市政府他們 |
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所獲得財化法的這種金額的補助比例金額都不同那地方捷運的經費補助也考慮應該要考慮各地所獲分配的調整額數來要做合理的分配 |
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這個部長簡單說明一下是 謝謝委員今年度確實我們因為財化法的原因我們交通部可以補助給地方政府的整體的這個捷運的預算剩下90億各個地方都有需求那我們在今年我們剩下90億那確實是相當部長我就是要提醒你因為 |
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高雄的統籌分配款的這個幅度是六都最低的而且中央補助高雄捷運的這樣的一個款項它減少的幅度是比新北比台北還要高那現在的狀況我們擔憂高雄捷運到今年九月就會發現發生這種預算支應不足的這樣的一個狀況會讓廠商的這種 |
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姑厭受阻的这样的一个危机那委员的提醒我们交通部跟行政应该要专案的研议那来拨补这些上缺的经费不要跟高雄四线齐发的这样的一个捷运的动工受到这种我们中央预算 |
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補足不夠的這樣一個狀況延誤了部長好謝謝委員的關心您的提醒我們會照做就是說跟行政院這邊來討論有沒有可能專案的方式來協助九月快到了對否則他們現在行政院給我們的預算90億確實是不夠那我們也必須要考量剛剛委員所提醒的各個縣市在財化法之後他的財政狀況來做未來整個捷運補助地方的這個作為依據之一 |
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不可以因為新版的財化法通過之後高雄所接受到的款項額度是六都裡面最少的而且相關的這種捷運經費的補助我們又比新北比台北還要少這種不公平的現象我們是無法接受的我們會來關注這個議題改善 謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝李昆哲委員那因為我們稍早已經宣讀完伊斯路想請問在場委員對伊斯路有沒有意見沒有意見伊斯路確定接下來我們請陳素月委員發言謝謝主席今天主席邀請陳部長還有淘氣公司楊董事長好請陳部長楊董事長 |
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委員好 部長早安我們看到今年3月就是Skytrax就是這個全球機場大獎公布了2026年的機場評選結果那桃園國際機場排名從去年的43名大幅提升到第24名所以這個要恭喜我們交通部也要恭喜桃機公司就是你們的努力讓這個我們國家的門戶 |
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這個桃園機場能夠成功挺進了全球頂尖的機場行列我們也可以看到這個桃機公司對此所付出的努力那本席也特別去看了一下我們楊董事長到任的時候是2023年嘛那時候正好也是疫情後我們桃機就是機場就是桃園機場的排名是應該是當到最低點的第82名所以這幾年 |
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可以從第82名然後逐漸就是上升從2024年的66名然後2025年的第43名然後2026年就是提升到24名了那在這邊我來請教一下楊董事長你對這樣子的成績的一個進步有沒有什麼感想還是對未來還有沒有什麼期許 |
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非常謝謝委員的這個應該說稱讚不過我要特別強調的說我們機場排名的提升其實是整個機場服務大裡面共同的成績單因為這些機場的排名它的計分的方式總排名的部分它有很多的子項目 |
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那由旅客來評分的所以不管他旅客經過的點是哪裡要進出入境或者是出境都可以對聚場做評比那評比的項目裡面我們這次排名會大幅的提升其實有幾個主要的因素我們這次的排名裡面有10項的單項成績進到前10名 |
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那單項成績代表的是我們最後的總成績一定會有所影響一定會有所幫助那第二點就是我們的旅客的這個行李輸送系統成績大幅的提升那當然這個更可以凸顯我們機場服務大聯盟的服務的這個成效因為旅客的行李跟人一樣到報到的時候在櫃台交給航空公司的櫃台行李就開始做運送的過程 |
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那到上飛機這個過程已經經過非常多的這個轉手有包括人力的有包括設備的那最後到以入境為例的話那就是到了一個方向所以這些成績的累計下來其實我們在這一次得到這樣的成績之後回來以後我們非常感謝我們所有同仁因為每一項都很重要 |
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另外就是我們的業者服務大聯盟裡面的包括我們的這些免稅店業者他們做了很多非常軟型的服務這些服務包括對小朋友的服務對旅客的服務所以各項的成績的進步是大家共同的目標所引起最後的成果是美麗的不過最重要的是我們希望能夠讓台灣的好台灣的美麗讓所有的旅客能夠看得到我們會持續努力謝謝你要讓國外旅客留下好的印象 |
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那請教楊董事長你認為未來還有什麼要改善的空間或努力的空間是因為我們現在第三航廈正在積極的建設當中第三航廈是一個嶄新的機場第一航廈跟第二航廈是一個在必須在未來再搭配上面三個航廈怎麼樣讓它能夠串聯起來服務的更好所以我們的第三航廈建設當然它是一個新的機場它是一個智慧化的機場 |
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機場的智慧化也代表我們減能減碳必須要做得更好因為現在共同面對的目標共同地球軟化的這個目標對我們機場來講綠色機場是一個必須要走的路那第一航廈跟第二航廈的服務的效能能不能在還沒有改建之前提升它的更好的一個表現比如說我們在一二航廈裡面有很多的標誌對旅客來講 |
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雖然對我們來講是一個非常簡單的一個符號對於旅客來講就是一個很明顯他可以引導他很快的進到他想要去的地方或者是登記的過程所以在服務的效能的提升的部分有很多的細節的部分我們可以來提升 |
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所以我們在不斷的吸取我們國外其他高端機場就先進的機場的經驗我們也去看到別人的長處那過程當中我們把硬體的部分跟軟體的部分都必須要同時來一起要提升那這個部分需要人的部分是我們的三萬五千名的這個機場工作大聯盟共同的成績單好 謝謝 |
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謝謝楊董事長說明剛剛楊董事長說明了這麼多不過有兩個部分楊董事長沒有講到本席有注意到就是說我們看到每一次就是這個出國旺季的時候旅客要出國就是報到的櫃台或者是行李托運的這個櫃台常常都是大排長龍那我們也看到就是淘氣公司後來要節省旅客的時間 |
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建置了這個自助報到機然後後來也新增了這個自助拖運行李的服務那在2018年開始第二行下啟用了這個自助拖運行李的服務那第一行下是在2023年來啟用那可是我們看到就是說這個自助拖運行李的服務的使用率卻一直很低就是只有 |
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15%這樣子的使用率那想請教一下就是說這麼長的一個時間應該有9年的時間了吧就是自動的拖運的這部分這麼長的一個7年就是淘氣公司推動自助行李拖運有7年的時間使用率依然只有15%不曉得這部分是不是請董事長講一下 |
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自助行李拖延系統是一個智慧化的設施但是它旅客的使用比如說我們現在出國的時候我們的團客很多我們這邊旅遊的特色就是團客多怎麼樣讓團客來全部都利用我們的自助行李拖延系統因為它講求的是要提高它的效率目前為止有13家的航空公司跟我們有簽自助行李拖延系統的合作 |
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那國航的部分基本上都已經加入了那自助巡旅托運呢我們現在看到的百分之十五是所有的旅客總量的百分之十五但是就國航的部分我們三家國航大概在百分之二十幾三十幾不斷地在提升當中那怎麼樣子把這個效力做得更好我們還有更多努力的空間包括我們國內的旅行社各大旅行社我們都一起在努力當中 |
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是因為我本期有看到就是說我們在115年到119年有編列了三億六千多萬的這個經費要汰換自助行李拖運設備那在這樣子的使用率這麼低的狀況下我們就是編列這樣子的經費要來汰換那未來我們是不是可以有一個設定的一個目標使用率的一個目標董事長 |
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這些部分的自助行李拖運系統因為它有一些是年代比較久所以它的汰換過程當中就是隨著我們有新的設備進來那當然怎麼樣子讓它設備更新更多我們現在有56座的自助行李拖運機分別在第一行下跟第二行下那當然這些還需要一段時間那不斷地改進就硬體的部分還是要不斷地來改進那這個部分我們會持續努力 |
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是 我希望就是說我們這樣子的一個已經推動七年了然後我們現在又要編列經費來做設備的更新那我們希望就是說之後我們也可以希望可以看到這個使用率啊不是說還是只是維持在15%啦我們應該還是要努力去提升那另外本席也有注意到就是說我們還有一項一直被旅客所詬病的一個部分就是等待行李的時間太長這部分董事長知道嗎 |
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這個等待行李時間就是一個整體的旅程當中的總量你花的時間但是以舉個例子來講最近我們曾經有出國去那一班飛機下來的時段剛好是班機比較空檔的時候所以我下飛機到拿到行李大概在15、6分鐘左右 |
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但是如果在那個時段裡面假設有這個同時到達的班機很多的話那可能進到我們的行李轉盤會有幾班幾架飛機同時到達那這樣的時間就會有所閹割所以這個因素很多但是為什麼飛機班機同時到達它有可能是前站的因素有delay的這種關係所以這個部分我們盡量靠我們在調度上面的一個方式 |
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那調度包括我們在從起飛點的這個班機他什麼時候到會到大約在什麼時候到會不會有用塞的情況怎麼樣子安排他降落的時候停留在最方便或者是比較寬鬆的這個轉盤的位置或者是這個登機的這個下飛機的這個天空橋的部分這個是要靠整個系統的運作不過對我們來講我們通關的速度是真快了就是行李下來時間如果比較長的話可能旅客也感覺他等的時間很長 |
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整體來講我們會預算它的總量的時間國人的感受我們很重視所以我們想辦法會把這個做得更好 |
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好我在這邊補充一下就是說因為我們有看到審計部就是在2024年的時候就是曾經針對這個行李等待時間太長這部分也有提出就是我們從2023年5月到2024年3月入境航班沒見行李經過一個小時以上才送抵行李轉盤的就有8612架次占入境航班架次的5%那更有31架次超過4個小時 |
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那就是說我們對於這整個運送的這個作業我覺得應該是還有一個檢討改進的一個空間那就是本席剛剛提到的這兩個部分我們也希望就是說我們台積公司可以努力再去檢討怎樣可以做得更好我們也希望就是說下次可以看到我們的排名又可以再次的一個提升謝謝是 這個是我們在努力的目標 謝謝 |
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好謝謝委員好謝謝我們陳素悅委員接下來請魯明哲委員發言好謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長好我們請陳部長跟我們淘汰公司的楊董事長請楊董事長 |
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委員好部長 董事長這個在去年年底這個三航廈北登基郎廳這個啟用之後其實大家去那個環境都覺得很棒我想對於整個未來我們桃園國際機場的一個國際的評比我覺得是 |
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蠻大的加分那當然因為現在要透過二航廈去繞走比較遠所以大家都期待整個到底的2027年就明年年底當時承諾的整個三航廈能夠整個完工那我們也跟機場公司要確認一下目前11項主要的工程其實我們看到有蠻多的進步都還不錯的那我們看到 |
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進度大概五成五成以下的有幾個你雖然右邊寫的都是明年可以如期明年的三月到八月這些工程都可以完成包括資訊系統主體行下基建工程42%這等等的一個過程我想請教一下部長或董事長你們隨便回答一下因為整個行下真正 |
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完工之後還要有一些過程不管是完工 測試 演練人員進駐相關的配置能不能在明年啟用還是要滾動式調整麻煩你說明一下向委員報告在硬體建設的部分我們目前正全力在趕工我上個禮拜才過去看過那我們希望說在硬體建設的部分可以跟上腳步 |
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那不過後續會有個更關鍵的問題就是因為機場是一個大聯盟它的介面非常非常的多那介面的整合就變成是未來能不能在明年正式來試營運的一個關鍵那目前我也請淘氣公司已經先預作規劃包含跟航空公司之間包含跟CIQS |
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各個單位之間的這個橫向聯繫跟未來整體的整合界面要事先先來討論包含空間未來怎麼配置要讓各單位都知道那我上個禮拜去看的時候我看各單位大概外交部的區域在哪裡然後內政部大概他們的區域在哪裡各個航空公司大概都理解那我們再做最後定案跟整合的過程我們希望能夠完成明年年底試營運 |
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好 整個三行下一位見面非常多所以我有看到這個尤其機場公司你們努力其實我是在這個方面是滿肯定的你們這個把很多包括延後的一直往前拼我有看到了那當然這些有些問題能夠先做的剛剛講說先分配先訓練 先演練的部分我們希望能夠還是朝向明年年底能夠啟用這個目標 |
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但是我們現在看到了因為大量旅客的一個運輸是一個重點不能大家都開車來因為現在一二航廈已經把這個交流到他聯絡到實在非常堵現在我們的PMS在去年終於 |
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快刀斬亂麻把他解約重新上網招標這我們也知道那現在目前我們問了是實際進度到7%現在還在設計paperwork那過去所托非人現在有沒有找到對的人楊董事長誰來說一下 |
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有沒有找到對的人這個新的團隊嘛前一個團隊不行結約歸結約我們就不再談了那這個團隊目前7.72%那你們告訴我說委員放心啊雖然只有7%但是明年年底如期如之完工啊是真的還假的誰來說一下嘛 |
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好這個部分我等一下請我們總經理報告昨天我們也開了一次的這個檢討會議那目前看到的7%是在我們的標案裡面的排程裡面的一個schedule那至於說同時在進行當中這裡面可能沒有辦法顯示出來的部分我請總經理剪個剪下來說明一下那有沒有遇到一些大問題目前新的團隊 |
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跟委員報告目前是按照規劃在進行當中因為我們這個PMS這個標案是統包所以它有包含設計跟未來的施工那我們昨天已經就目前履約的狀況剛好做了一次的一個檢討設計的部分整個 |
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設計包含車輛的設計跟行車系統的設計這個都按照目前的進度在進行當中那細部設計的階段大概也接近尾聲最近已經進入審查那後續的話我們會照排成 |
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去進行後續相關的工作我是看起來時間不太夠我覺得你們在整個要去檢視這個問題因為去年7月重新招標之後到現在幾個月你自己去算一算去年招標完畢到你們2020年說要完工其實只有給你兩年的時間如果你一年都在paperwork |
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這個部分當然我們會持續去了解我們希望你能夠持續監督不然三卡架全面營運了你在機場這個大家庭T1 T2 T3旅客轉機跑來跑去的過程中你沒有這個來連結的話會真的非常頭痛那這個接下來是這個是哪一局的 |
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鐵道局鐵道局好 基捷那另外一個剛剛是我們機場大家庭的一個航廈電吧我希望你們進度要好好去追機場公司那帶外來旅客的 |
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外來旅客的要靠機捷那機捷A14站啊最近聽到了一些好的新聞也聽到一些壞的消息啊來確認一下好不好A14站因為我怕你明天真的完工之後你內部的航廈電巴也沒跟上要外面帶來大眾旅客的機捷也停不了車他的月台月台也沒弄好那就請教一下你說明一下因為我們現在聽到的壞消息啊是跟那個剛剛航廈電巴一樣 |
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說兩家廠商在吵架已經告到法院去了告到法院去了那現在到底這樣降得他們的一個不管違約的一個爭議洪森跟這個榮民綠能他們這樣吵來吵去告到法院去有沒有影響到這個A14這個整個這個未來配合三行價營運的一個情況說明一下各位報告洪森是我們的C605標的承包廠商 |
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那剛剛提到的這個一般水電的廠商是鴻升的夏寶廠那他們之間的這個財務上面的問題他們循他們程序去做處理那現在鴻升已經另外發包就是就這個C505標所需要的一般水電環控已經完成所以這部分在我們現在進度上面掌握是在我們掌握之內所以執行率趕得上來嗎 |
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這個工作現在來說我們是按照明年配合機場營運的氣程來完成通車好 其實我是很擔心目前聽到的一些消息進度好像跟不上那尤其其中這個一家廠商他說的連續被滲水什麼之類的到底有沒有一些實質安全的問題我相信這個鐵道局交通部你們要實質去檢視 |
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因為畢竟三航廈你整個硬體蓋得這麼漂亮那旅客要進來這兩條大眾運輸的一個軌道運輸是非常非常重要的一個配合所以在七節A14站能夠如期配合完工很重要外來的旅客對內部的航廈中的轉移我們的PMS |
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這個也要跟上這部分拜託部長能夠去追蹤讓這三個一定這個介面要全部能夠跟上好不好是我們關注謝謝委員好謝謝好謝謝魯明哲委員謝謝部長接下來我們請林俊憲召委發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長好 請陳部長我們台鐵鄭董事長鄭董事長還有我們桃園 桃機的楊董事長好 請楊董事長委員好部長好 |
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還有兩位董事長我先反映一下一些民生問題民眾反映的第一個我們台南台南高鐵站很多民眾到站以後他必須要轉搭我們台鐵沙崙線到市區的火車站那現在我發現沙崙線我們台鐵所行駛的車輛有改變那之前跑的車子都有無障礙車所那你現在跑的這種車廂都沒有無障礙車所 |
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那現在怎麼處理呢 請董事長是跟委員報告目前確實我們現在有五組的電動車在 電聯車在跑那只有一組EMU600是有這個無障礙的廁所那我們現在到年底原本有 |
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本來有耶 本地有耶對 因為你再調派所以現在我們要逐步的把這個恢復那就是在年底 現在是一年多久可以恢復的到明年六月 整個五部會把它全部到明年六月才還要一年耶那因為這裡面我們有牽涉到我們這個車子的維修的問題所以希望能夠把它因為你現在 那對有一些需要使用的朋友身障朋友造成極大的不便 |
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是 我們會正視這個問題所以我們在這個年底我們會把它變成三組然後到了明年六月我希望能夠儘快把它恢復過來好的 好不好因為讓部長了解其實我們很多的公共運輸的廠站 |
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有時候會有一些民眾他會發生一些緊急狀況所以在2024年在本席諮詢當時我有希望台鐵在列車尤其是想要列車開始你要加裝那個AED就是心臟急救的設施後來台鐵也開始都加裝了而且擴大到更多的長途航線這個要感謝台鐵的改善但是 |
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我們也發現有些民眾他是在場站內他不是在車內他是在我們的車站空間他發生了身體的狀況那我們看起來比較一下高鐵跟航站都有都適合這種醫療服務像高鐵公司其實是很多因為旅客很多 |
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高鐵公司當時2022到2024應該也是我們鄭董事長在內的時候高鐵在這幾年共處理了5444名的旅客傷病大概一年 |
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大概都需要一年高鐵的醫務站啊處理了一千八百多個一個月有一百五十位那其中大概百分之七是所謂的一到三級都需要送醫院的大概占比有百分之七啦那明朗局所管的幾個機場啊松山、台中、台南、高雄、花蓮、金門機場也都有這種應該叫醫務室啦就是就是它設有保健室之類的因為有些民眾啊它的程度 |
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如果到達需要送醫院 那我們當然叫救護車啦那有些可能需要在現場要有緊急處理的那目前大概就只有台鐵沒有設立有醫療處理的例如像保健室 醫護設施之類的所以有一位民眾 他在板橋站他是耳內的那個耳屎脫落所以他暈眩 他沒有辦法走路 |
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他必須要緊急的處理結果發現那麼大的一個板橋站幾乎都沒有任何的義務站後來我再去查所有的台鐵通通沒有了那麼台鐵的旅客有沒有發生這種旅客受傷的狀況 有啊我算啦 這是今年一到四月在北中南東有三百四十起 |
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340起 這都是需要處理以後送醫的 要送醫到邊緣尤其台北 板橋 桃園 新竹北部這四個大站 這都是很大的車站一到四月都有車過20起以上但是完全你全線台鐵都沒有設立相關的保健醫療室 |
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做一些事先緊急需要處理的狀況來 那前董事長我們台鐵是不是應該趕快追上其他的交通運輸的車站現在我們台鐵這個二級站以上的車站都有設定這個AED |
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那是用AED啦AED謝謝你啦這個我當時質詢我們台北趕快來所以所有人員都會整個運用這個AED跟CRP喔那麼再做緊急持續然後趕快再通知要要求然後救護車來就這樣的一個安排但你有些如果譬如說啦你跌倒了啊你掛太老了你現場需要緊急包紮你要把他送到醫院喔 |
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里面是完全没有任何的可以做紧急医疗处理的设施嘛那高铁有啊你坐隔铁当时电话你坐过的你知道啊那航站公司也有啊我就建议啦台铁应该在特等站或一等站你应该选嘛 |
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這個特頂站跟一頂站的這個部分我想這建議很好我們來研究看看怎麼樣來進行好 謝謝董事長這個也讓部長了解啦這目前大概航站都有啦 是高鐵也有啦 對這樣事情沒有啦 |
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是那台鐵民眾需不需要民眾需不需要我給你們看那個數據嘛一到四月有三百四十起那不是每一個案例你都要叫救護車來啊你維持稍微擋住你要處理的是是好另外喔我們請陶吉好那鄭董事長我們請台鐵可以我們先休息喔那麼請陶吉喔 |
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第一個先恭喜陶基 陶基因為現在在Skytrak這個世界的一個獨立機關的排行我們台鐵的績效都有提升 得到了四顆星那排名也從43名進步到24名但我覺得我們的目標要從五星 五顆星 總要設立一個要求自己的目標我看我們陶基到底什麼分數最差 |
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最差的就是通關在所有我們淘機在國際評比上淘機分數最差只有兩顆星就是快速通關的問題那這個問題啊也是很多旅客在反映的因為我們淘機啊現在進入出境的人數啊已經越來越多了去年大概幾乎恢復到疫情以前 |
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去年有四千多萬人次那楊董事長將近五千四千九百多萬今年恐怕會更多因為今年更開闢了歐洲航線北美航線所以今年機場出入的人會越多一年超過五千萬進出的一個機場沒有快速通關的設計難怪你只得兩顆星 |
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你整體排名就被拉下來那這方面有沒有什麼要改善的部分像委員報告我們有請淘機公司也在研議這個議題我們希望在年底能夠有個初步的結果因為這個也牽涉到各航空公司大家之間的共識那我們已經有開過會在討論這件事了那初步大家有形成共識我們希望在年底之後就可以來辦理委員在關心的這個議題也就是快速通關我們來舉個例子像歐洲幾個機場像荷蘭 |
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阿姆斯特丹法國的法蘭克福機場德國的柏林機場這些都是非常大的一個機場他們都有快速通關的設計所以大概看起來他們都有國際上做快速通關設計的機場一流的機場通通有 |
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所以這個應該不困難啦應該有可以我們學習的對象我們希望年底之後可以來辦快速通關年底之後好那逃進有盡快改善好不好盡快讓旅客啊不管是國人或者是到台灣來的旅客可以感受到這個才像一個一個機場最起碼最最有的服務就是行李以外就是所謂的這種通關的程序嘛好不好是好好謝謝部長好謝謝大家好謝謝各位謝謝張偉謝謝 |
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好謝謝林俊賢早晚的發言謝謝部長接下來我們請徐富奎委員發言那我們在陳雪生委員發言結束後休息10分鐘謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長好請陳部長 |
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市長我想今天我要特別再提出這個議題上一次我針對這個高德地圖的部分有提醒我們相關的部會應該要正式這樣子一個可能面臨一個國安的一個危機那上禮拜我也特別提出這個外送平台的治安問題尤其是馬來西亞這個Grab他要併購Foodpanda但是因為這個Grab目前使用地圖 |
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跟我們中國華為的劃半地圖有深度的合作甚至有一個共享的一個圖子的一個協定那甚至他使用的雲端是阿里巴巴的阿里雲的一個系統我想交通部當然我們針對外送平台的主要的業務是主管的這個運價的核定還有消費者的保護跟各自的部分但是我想這樣子的一個 |
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國安的問題跟甚至比高德地圖更嚴重一個國安的威脅部長目前有掌握到相關的一個狀況嗎向委員報告您之前的提醒我們其實都有看到是那包含高德地圖這個雖然您當時質詢不是在跟交通部的質詢但是我們也有看到新聞所以我們有特別在關注這個議題那我們交通部所有的這個資訊都不會傳過去不會外傳到他們的系統裡面所以這個部分我們會先保守住沒有問題 |
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不然因為我們還是要提醒說因為目前我們這個全台灣有好幾百萬的一個外送的用戶的一個資料那當然我想包含這個所謂這個市井巷弄跟所謂的一個街道的一個路況我想如果透過這樣的一個資訊有可能就是被 |
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傳送到大陸去到中國去我們是擔心這樣的一個用戶資料的回傳中國的一個嚴重性那當然未來併購的部分這部分你們有跟公平會把這個疑慮有送給公平會去做討論嗎像委員報告您今天的提醒我們會一併把這個意見併入到我們提供給公平會的資料跟意見裡面就是說我們的這個平台的資料他不可以提供給中國不可以傳輸到中國這個部分我們會提供給公平會請公平會納入 |
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延長這個國安的一個紀律對我們會希望公民會也納入這個意見來做參考部長那我想第二個部分這幾天我們又發現這個獨家的一個新聞也非常非常的多那甚至我想這個我們今年的這個道安預算的編列3.8億 |
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應該有減少了1.1億我想這個也受到外界不小的一個批評那前一天基隆市政府門口就發生一個獨駕的一個事件造成一人受傷好幾輛的汽機車受損那我調閱了警政署相關的一個資料2025年9架的取締案件比2024年增加了600多件 |
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已送案件增加了3000多件但獨家的這個狀況更嚴重取締了7000多件增加了389%已送的5000多件增加了227%受傷的人數增加了112人 |
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部長 針對這樣的一個狀況你們有跟警政署內政部相關的部會有做什麼樣的討論嗎報告委員 這個部分我們在這個月會跟內政部再做更精細的討論那這個部分其實牽涉到執法的部分那個警政署也有提出一個精準執法的專案針對毒價的部分那我們之前也有合作做這個快篩 唾液快篩針對這個毒品的這個快篩的部分那目前看起來也是有成效所以這個抓到的人 |
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越來越多抓到的人越來越多那執法的部分我們也拜託內政部要積極來努力那我們跟內政部之間的合作也都很密切這個部分正在加強當中 |
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部長當然我們都不希望發生意外啦但是怎麼樣防範未然的部分我想恐怕部長必須要跟我們內政部還在強化除了這個檢測之外有沒有什麼更具體的一個措施應該要思考一下啦好我們跟內政部那邊也在討論說在整個執法的層面以外在刑法的修正的部分看怎麼樣去加重這個罰則那我們自己在那個道交條例裡面要怎麼樣加重罰則我們也一併都在滾動檢討 |
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那未來可不可能會針對這樣的一個獨駕熱區的分析或是甚至使用一個比照這個酒精所的一個方式怎麼樣阻止他們去上路有沒有做這樣的一個規劃的一個方案是謝謝委員的關心他們內政部目前的這個精準執法的方案裡面有針對熱區下去做特別的處理那至於這個有沒有辦法比照酒精所來做這個獨駕所的部分我們跟 |
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衛福部這邊來討論看有沒有這樣子的可能性如果有的話那或許這是未來可以朝向這個方向來努力部長我想我們還是必須全方位來思考這個問題好謝謝那我們有請台鐵我們鄭董事長 |
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我想我還是要幫我們基層的同仁這個來請命我在好幾次的委員會都有特別提到這個我們的這個人力缺口的問題還有我們年輕夥伴他們對於這樣的一個工作環境的不滿意造成我們人員的一個落差包含 |
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入曲的部分像是去年4月預計招募700人最後入曲了400人報到只有剩下300多人被取1100多人入曲了400多人到最後報到剩下179人 |
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董事長我想這樣的沒辦法穩定人力怎麼樣讓我們的安全改革還有工作場域的環境能怎麼樣做改善我想這部分就牽扯到最重要我們的薪資待遇讓這些年輕人他不敢到你們那邊去上班的原因是因為你們跟其他國營事業差距太大了我們舉例來講台鐵的僱員第二年薪資結構就達到六萬塊我們那部份的要做幾十萬塊六萬好了 |
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茶廳到地上難怪年輕人都不想去台北上班未來這個部分怎麼樣去做改善這是第一個問題第二個我也曾經跟董事長討論過我們屏東的電南部的孩子他去花蓮台東上班或去台北上班他根本跟他睡處還有這些生活費根本就沒辦法存錢你教他怎麼樣帶這個下去我想這個都是一再討論一再反映的一個問題 |
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董事長我們有沒有什麼具體的一個策略我想你之前有提到說包含一些的這個車長的自主獎金工程獎金主管家籍你都有這樣的心要來做改革那目前的進度到哪裡先回答委員最後的一個問題事實上在這個主管家籍跟工程獎金方面現在都有很好的一個進展 |
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那麼在主管家幾個方面應該在行政院那邊秘書長已經同意了我們在這樣做但現在就是剩下最後了由這個院長這邊來表示所以院長到現在還沒有批對現在這個因為前一陣子我們部長帶領我們去大概原則上同意了應該很快就會下來了我想說這個應該是工會也反映很多次了我們在2024年就已經提出這個案子了應該要加快的進行是的 |
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那另外就是說在這個工程獎金方面也一樣啦因為行政院對這個案子也一再的來要我們補件補件所以我們現在已經在3月最近3月11號也回應了補了一個件所以希望這個也不會能夠快來那至於說這個車長自主備勤進貼這部分我們也積極的這個來函附那麼相關的單位那麼給我們的應該 |
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很快的我們會再次來報院來申請這是第一個要跟說明的另外就是說我們在整個人力的缺口方面其實我們現在目前的這個缺額率到今年的3月我們看已經降到了大概是2點多個%從第一年的113年的5%然後降到 |
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去年的4%現在大概是2%左右那跟委員報告我們在最近的招考的所有的名額裡面那麼應該都已經在5月18號開始要來報到那這個都已經把我們這個缺額連同這個正期跟備取都用上去那現在應該已經可以把它補齊來跟委員報告 |
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董事長我想還是要去考慮這些年輕人的一些想法跟未來對於我們這個台鐵公司的一個幸福企業的一個期待怎麼樣去拉近這樣子的一個薪資的落差我想還要再更加的努力是 |
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然後很多在外地的能不能讓他能夠就近回到家鄉來工作我想這是他們最大的一個期待是 那現在也跟委員報告這部分的話我們做的努力就是說我們現在把這考試的方式以前都是由總統這邊統籌那現在也把它下放到各個地方就是花蓮 台東由他們來偵辦那我們就希望能夠在就地的部分的話員工就地的這些鄉親能夠來投考的話那就能夠在那邊 |
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這樣的話呢這樣不會有流動的問題啦對就不會有流動的這個情況謝謝這個委員的跟我們指教那我想最後一個就是我前兩天有找我們總經理跟我們的相關同仁到我的辦公室我想這個我們到台鐵的時候發現有兩個地方大排長樓一個是售票口一個是你們不會變動的地方 |
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可見你們的便當賣得非常好但是我覺得我們過去都看到台鐵便當很固定那幾樣的菜色我想屏東我們有很好的一些農產品、漁產品我們的鰻魚也好、石斑魚也好我們上次有跟石斑魚合作過未來鰻魚甚至我們的蔬菜、蔬果的部分我建議我們台鐵可以來多跟我們農民跟漁民 |
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來這樣子的一個做合作幫我們優質的農特產品可以變成你們特色的一個便當我想也增加我們這個銷售的一個誘因那也鼓勵我們這個年輕的農民漁民有更大的一個對地方產業的一個憧憬 |
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董事長支持這樣的一個方案嗎我想這個是非常好的政策總經理回來也跟我報告我覺得說這非常好我們希望台鐵的便當用我們的品牌然後用這個鰻魚用在地的食材能夠推動到所有的整個地方去我想這個不管是在對台鐵公司的便當的多元化或者在這個ESG裡面的這個節碳的方面也都是一個很好的我們會大力的來促成這件事情這個也請部長全力來支持好 謝謝我們來努力 |
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謝謝委員好謝謝許副國委員下一位請黃建豪召委好謝謝主席主席我們要先請陳士凱部長陳部長然後台鐵鄭董事長台鐵鄭董民航局核局長民航局核局長 |
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委員好部長好然後這個一開始要先針對台鐵一些民生問題來去救教一下是這個當然現在推動台鐵化台鐵推動公司化基本上是希望說整個服務能提升但是一開始要反映一個民生問題就現在我們收到的民眾陳情台鐵現在的閘門改成就有可以用QR code來掃這個所謂車票因為車票改版了嘛所以可以用這個QR code去掃這個車票但是呢其實很多民眾在第一線 |
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為什麼大家進站速度變慢就是他們不太知道怎麼使用這個設備所以當然有民眾來反映說像搭過高鐵都知道說那個旁邊有馬上有這個站務人員會馬上去協助這個不會用閘門的人教他怎麼去使用那台鐵的服務人員呢我們收到陳情試很多時候是他用喊的他站在旁邊看看到你不會用喊的掃那個他就不會了所以現在講再多他還是不會所以第一個部分就是說到底這個 |
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在這個服務的部分因為你們現在公司化了那個服務的升級因為我們當他公司化就希望他能夠走向這個服務能夠更好的狀況未來在這個雜門部分你們能不能增派人力能不能去做把這個服務的細緻這邊做好因為我想鄭董事長你過去在高鐵公司服務所以我想這個企業文化兩邊當然是很明顯的差異但是高鐵做了好部分未來能不能帶到台鐵來這個是會請董事長回應一下 |
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是的我想這部分的話我們可能在這個教育方面包括我們自己的同仁的教育還有旅客的教育都做得不夠我想我們有這麼好的這樣一個措施的話應該是廣為宣傳那這個確實是有這樣的一個情況我們會來改進 |
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我想現在郭匯珍董事長就是這種第一線專務人員的這種教育訓練或是服務品質我覺得過去高鐵如果做得到我們希望台鐵是不是也能夠比照能夠跟進是的我們甚至我們要有一個更積極主動的如果有客人有這個排隊那我們可能也許我們可以用自己用一個詞去問他甚至我們像這個高鐵的話他可以甚至可以 |
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有一個補票的機器隨時走動的來服務這樣的話應該是可以縮短一方面可以縮短排隊的長路另外也可以展現我們一個積極主動服務的誠意好 董事長還有一個問題就是說其實我也跟部長部長應該很清楚台中車站長期有這個遊民的問題那我也是一個疑問就是今天這個台中車站當然現在台中火車站當然主要就是以台鐵為主 |
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那高鐵呢比較沒有這個問題所以我一直有一個很大的疑問是第一個到底台中車站這個遊民問題到底是由台中市這些警察去管嗎還是由台鐵公司來管理那第二個問題是說那為什麼同樣的高鐵車站一樣是開放空間可是高鐵車站就不太會有遊民的逗留的問題那台鐵的站內 |
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台鐵當然沒有進雜門啦只是說台鐵這個站區為什麼會有這麼多遊民沒辦法處理到底問題出在哪裡會不會請部長先回應看看向委員報告那個台鐵在台中站的這個遊民的問題其實好多年了那台鐵所管轄的範圍雖然那個叫台鐵車站 |
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但他們管轄的範圍是低水線以內也就是說站內是台鐵管轄那這個部分比較沒有這個問題但低水線以外包含那個低水線以外的電梯其實我自己在搭那個電梯我都跟台鐵反應過我說這個電梯很像設備沒有很好是不是應該整修一下結果一查是台中市政府應該要負責的也就是說低水線以外包含遊民在滯留的這個區域它全部都是台中市政府管轄的範圍 |
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那我知道台中市議會其實也針對這個議題質詢過好多次那我們台鐵公司這邊能夠做的其實就是發現狀況不太好的時候會跟台中市政府或者是說跟警察局這邊來做反應那希望他們能夠來協助不過目前為止看起來很像效果也沒有很好因為即便是警察單位來處理了離開了一陣子就又回來了 |
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那這個部分其實像台北車站也有郵民的問題也有跟市政府這邊來合作看要怎麼至少維持它的秩序跟它的清潔跟整潔的部分我們台鐵公司在台北車站也有跟市政府來做合作那台中的部分我們也會長期來跟市政府來做溝通看能不能來解決這個問題好 董事長 |
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是 我想我們朝這方向那就是一個方法就是說請台中市的這個警察局這邊跟我們的人我們也許可以有一些保全多請一些保全然後聯合來比照台北車站這樣的話那一起來合作這樣的話可以把這個遊民盡量的把它有一個很好的管理好 董事長謝謝 董事長請回董事長問完了我們現在請民航局 何局長 |
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這個台中機場當然這幾年我想是運量大幅提升那航線一直開但是這個當然民間業者也期待說能夠服務也更好因為當然大家願意投資願意來台中機場都是好事可是我們在整個這個所謂的這個硬體設施上發現一件事情就包含說我們提到 |
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2045年的這個機場提升計畫那到底這個2045年是2045年要完成呢還是2045年才要準備開始做那尤其是幾個過去我們提到的第一個像滑行道的問題其實大家都講說其實台中機場因為它的跑道也夠長因為理論上可以停大型客機但是因為滑行道 |
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它的寬度不夠它可能容量這麼多大型客機所以導致它的航線當然會受限當然只能飛最常飛就飛日本飛最多飛到比較近的國家去那要飛長城的話會受影響到滑行道的問題所以整體的這個機場硬體設施的改善包含滑行道包含說停機的這個停機棚包含說像這種飛機要過夜的一些相關的設施基礎設施那到底民航局在這一部分我們交通部門這部分能不能跟上因為 |
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從疫情前跟疫情後比較嘛我想台中機場在這一兩年的這個發展是很顯著的提升那航線也不斷開可是我們不能只看到航線開嘛那基礎設施還是要跟上啊所以這部分到底這個計畫2045年是現在就在做呢還是說你們要到2045年才開始規劃 |
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謝謝委員的關心您的關注跟我的感受是一模一樣就是說這幾年在台中機場的整體發展它的速度相當的快尤其在客運的部分整體的量一直在增加那到今年為止我們看一到三月的人數如果把它評估來 |
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而一整年的話有可能今年會整整體突破300萬人那這個人數已經超過疫情之前所以成長的速度相當快所以我們也請民航局在針對台中機場的整體建置包含委員在講的這個這個滑行道的部分這個部分我們其實也 |
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都有做改善的預備跟準備那前幾年其實也有一些改善不是沒有就是說包含W6的這個滑行道包含W3的這個滑行道在去年完成的是W3那也讓我們的整體的機場的營運的效率有所提升那委員在提示的就是說這個機場的需求越來越大的狀況底下我們的硬體確實跟過去所評估的不太一樣 |
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所以我們希望在今年或明年能夠提出一個新的計畫不要說滾動到2015年那太久了現在我們就已經看到現象就是已經很塞了那我們希望這個硬體的部分我們在今年底或者是明年初能夠提出一個新的計畫能夠來做整體的改善 |
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因為其實之前業者實務上也有反映過我也之前跟局長也稍微談過這個事情就像今年年初像那個淘機在塞機的時候有出現很多是Mayday Mayday的狀況那有這個轉降 倍降機場的問題那到底台中現在到底能不能作為所謂的倍降轉降的這個機場因為 |
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淘氣當然需要說轉去松山或轉去高雄那有時候松山現在航班也很多所以他有時候也沒辦法使用沒辦法去沒有辦法轉這樣那高雄他如果真的油料不夠飛太飛行距離相對也比較遠一點啦他也是 |
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當然希望說如果能夠就近在台中所以台中有沒有機會作為這個相關的備援的機場這個問題在上次發生的那個事件之後我們跟民進黨局也都討論過確實我們對於整體的機場的韌性韌性的提升我們有提出一個檢討那我們也希望說在我剛剛所報告的這個在今年底或明年初提出整體的機場的改善的計畫裡面把這件事情也納入檢討的範圍 |
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我們希望說未來在整體的機場任性像一類機就是比較大的飛機它需要轉降到台中的時候讓它可以有辦法轉降這第一點第二點轉降的那個數量可以讓它提升我們希望提升整體的效率讓它有辦法如果真的用得到的時候它的這個轉降的數量也可以讓它增加好部長謝謝我想因為要做轉降它相關的硬體所以剛剛幫他提到剛剛滑行道的部分的擴建我覺得還是要積極的辦理沒有錯這個部分我們會來努力OK好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝黃建豪高委好 我們接下來請陳雪生委員發言好 謝謝主席是不是請交通部陳部長 |
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民航局何局長,淘機楊董事長,台鐵鄭董事長今天早上來啊心情還不錯,送你一個大禮物刪減交通部預算50億這樣可以嗎希望不要我為什麼要刪減你50億你知道嗎我們那個馬祖大橋啊 |
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立案到現在八年了那麼上個禮拜周院長到馬祖去他沒有說不要喔他一直想說大橋跟北開機場的修建這裡面的關聯性他在探討但我覺得時間也探討太久了吧八年了那台灣不是沒有重大公共工程啊 |
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不是沒有建設啊所以你們說重視偏鄉離島好那淡江大橋你看前幾天合攏了我本來想去啊金門大橋從興建到完成我去了三四到四次那淡水這個大橋我想去但我想到上面我會掉眼淚所以我就選擇不去了三點鐘我在兩點鐘呢還在掙扎到底去還是不去最後選擇不去 |
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所以你想想看情何以堪嘛所以三年你五十億也比較少了那我的意思是什麼咧要給你一點壓力你明年預算起碼你建設計畫給我列個五億吧那個設計規劃細設至少要三年到四年欸你看剛剛一個機場何居然在這邊你問他要多久要三年的時間欸四季欸細設欸 |
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所以部長我跟院長報告了12號見12號總諮詢我會提出這樣的問題所以這個51要不要3要看部長的態度你態度要誠懇啊對不對報告委員我態度一向很誠懇很誠懇啊你都是表面上OK啦但內心裡面也很掙扎很掙扎就不給的意思不會啦因為時間的關係這個也不是民防局先來好了 |
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R8把區W8航線上次選聲執行了以後何局長有沒有什麼進度我知道海峽中線W8R8把區是涉及到作戰區域是國安我執行完了以後我們的選民啊當然因為選舉啦年底要選舉了嘛又在挑逗我啦吃我豆腐啊 |
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人家說陳雪生委員啦,是不是競爭啦是不是沒講話啦,啞巴啦我早就執行過了我的智商會輸給他嗎?是不是?但是我執行完畢以後你們民防局有沒有什麼動作?他意思要我執行國防部啦國防部用國安兩個字就不好塞住了嘛所以我說勒由交通部跟國防部你們去協調 |
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用協調我想我做不到我們這個背後這個用匿名發信的人他做得到嗎他也做不到啊他做得到請他當立委嘛是不是他以為立委很大可以發號施令嗎不是這樣我們要溝通協調嘛所以局長你溝通協調怎麼樣謝謝委員上次委員質詢之後我們有跟軍方再協調 |
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軍方就是表示說最近他們的訓練需求比較高那可是一旦他沒有訓練需求一定會供我們使用那我們航管每一班也都會問他可不可以用W8所以基本上我想軍方的這個為了國防需要的一些訓練還是會比較優先那可是他也表達說我們尊重軍方訓練當然國家的安全很重要但是十分鐘啊 |
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你曉得在飛機上十分鐘有沒有,很忐忑不安很掙扎,尤其氣流不好的時候那何局長這邊,專政部長拜託您也跟顧部長碰到的時候跟他們講一下,盡量好不好好,沒問題,我們來跟他們說好,那何局長就請回吧,好不好下面陶姬啊,陶姬楊董事長,她跟我一起屬龍的 |
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我們都屬龍的,所以我跟他龍兄龍弟啊那我是元月份,虛擋他幾個月恭喜啊,請你上來你民視在立法院的壓力以後啊壓力過以後,變二十四名了是不是全世界往前了所以特地請你上來,恭喜你好不好不是啊,你應該發一份什麼東西給他獎勵一下 |
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下一位台鐵鄭董鄭董我們現在有很多的車站像旗鼎全台灣還有39個車站這個車站沒有人他票沒辦法改善 |
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有一些人就可以偷偷的從這邊就可以進來,是不是?所以你們這個沒有完善的機制來管制你們如何有效的去嚇阻、逃票? |
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董事長麥克風要開去巡邏我們現在會增強為每天兩次同時如果客人有一些票務上的問題我們現在都有一個專屬的機器隨時可以請求協助另外我們在CCTVR我們也會加強來建置尤其在無戰的問題你們有注意到這個問題的嗎有 |
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好那有助於就好了好不好那董事長請回好謝謝部長最後一個問題我想請問您我們中國國民黨政主席去大陸以後大陸釋出善意也就是十項的會台政策當然執政黨可能笑一笑認為以前都已經講過了 |
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我想不管以前講過或是沒講過,既然他有這個善意過來,有這個橄欖枝滴過來,那我們橄欖枝就滴過去嘛,是不是?好,現在首要的是觀光台旅會跟海旅會,是我們公務門底下的一個民間組織 |
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有沒有來往現在現在委員報告我們其實都有跟我們對對岸的小兩會的溝通我們是一直希望能夠打開所以我們該發文該發函該溝通我們都希望能夠主動那我們的主動動作其實有做那不過目前為止對岸似乎沒有比較明確的回應沒有回應對好那我們這邊我舉個例子給你聽是上海有居民想來馬祖 |
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他為什麼要打電話給我呢他來馬祖要透過我透過我幹什麼呢跟陸委會去協調讓他們過來入境,入馬祖的境,不是入台灣的境要找誰呢陸委會要協調經濟部要協調體育部為什麼他不自由行嗎自由行來就好啦 |
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為什麼到我們這邊以後這個關卡阻力那麼大我還要找移民署移民署說那有幾個人可能又有黨政軍的問題還是什麼問題為什麼會有這樣的問題 |
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那雖然我們這時候開放了沒有啊沒有啊你瞭解這個問題嗎因為他這個入境的審查是在移民署那移民署必然會會其他的單位那我所知道確實他們會的過程當中可能彼此之間有一些想法 |
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那這個部分大概不會是我們交通部可以處理那你們負責觀光啊人家是來觀光啊對不對來觀光怎麼不讓人家來觀光嘛整個審查不在我們這邊你到馬祖來都不讓人家來到台灣來那還得了你不能把每一個來觀光的人當作匪諜嘛那你這樣的話你們兩個人還扯什麼勒 |
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現在陸委會規定想說公務員不准去大陸去大陸要採報備制十一則以上要報備十一則以下要當地的縣府主管公務員也就是他的主管機關來報備那不要去了那在接下來老百姓也不要去了那雙方的關係不就斷了嗎 |
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就沒有了嘛台灣所有的民眾要自由行公務人員除外其他的民眾要自由行都沒問題要到中國大陸去旅遊都沒問題退休的公務人員也會受到管制慢慢越來越緊你現在連立法委員你都要把他綁了不准他去了不會現在立法委員都有在去都有在去他現在已經提出一個法案來了你知道嗎主委已經來找我了主委來找我了希望我支持這樣的法案 |
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我說我會支持這個法案嗎?我馬上就給它丟回去了,那怎麼可能的事情嘛所以我想您是觀光署的主管的部長希望你能夠重視海旅會跟台旅會好不好協助一下我覺得台灣也不能完全這樣下去 |
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我們靠美國沒有錯啦,跟中共的關係還是不能斷掉好不好好,謝謝部長 |
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謝謝大家 |
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嗯嗯 |
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謝謝大家 |
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8317.51 |
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谢谢大家 |
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8351.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
響鐘 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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8390.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
響鐘 |
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8410.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
嗯嗯 |
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8481.648 |
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好嘞 |
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8535.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
嗯 |
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8552.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
謝謝大家 |
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8568.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8571.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
謝謝大家收看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8611.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
謝謝 謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8639.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
謝謝大家 |
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8682.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
哦哦哦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8707.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
謝謝觀賞 |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8732.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
谢谢大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8823.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
好我們繼續開會接下來我們請邱若驊委員發言謝謝主席請主席邀請鐵道局楊局長台鐵公司鄭董事長好我們請楊局長和鄭董事長委員好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8852.037 |
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區長好區長同樣桃園鐵路地下化的問題那董事長目前台鐵正值車隊更新的關鍵期嘛E500型的電力機車還有EMU3000乘機電聯車還有EMU900通勤電聯車都已經陸續投入營運了沒有錯吧 |
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交通部的資料也有提到一一五年將完成一一五三千一一五九百還有一一五百等新車的交車目標那局長同時呢桃園鐵路地下化這項計畫的總經費超過一千多億是一千零四十八億多那一一五年編列大約一百二十億 |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
1510萬進行土建還有系統集點工程那本系列要提醒這不只是土建工程嗎那同時還有新車營運然後臨時軌道的切換那地方民眾很擔憂這個地下化的工程跟新車營運的銜接是否會存在落差那特別是臨時軌跟既有的月台會不會影響到新車的運行安全跟班次調度呢就董事長還有我們局長的了解 |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
根文報告 我們所有的臨時軌跟臨時過程中的月台都會符合台鐵的行車安全標準目前關於臨時軌道的切換目前進度到哪裡了目前我們在內地站的這一次的軌道切換上剩下西正線的一個橫渡線的道岔偵測那應該最近幾天就會完成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
那也請局長同事說明現在目前內立站然後還有桃園醫院桃園醫院這一站他們目前的進度目前我們內立站的施工進度百分比可能我要再了解一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8951.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
那他的發包情況呢?內地站的部分是臨時鬼已經發包那永久鬼跟永久車站的部分還待修正計畫通過之後才發包還在修正計畫,那桃園醫院站呢?桃園醫院站還沒發包還沒發包,那什麼時候可以? |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
8970.093 |
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這個有待先為核定我們修正計畫將預算的額度做調整之後我們才能夠做法寶OK好那董事長那這邊我們有討論到這個臨時軌的切換嘛那會不會可不可以確保現在在既有的搬居還有後續的運營調度能不能你們有能不能掌握那包括尖峰時刻的準點率 |
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沒有問題那當然準點力這部分的話我們在這個過渡期裡面會有這個有點落差像我們目前以內地站來講的話以過去這段時間運作我們大概站內的這個準點大概會delay大概兩分鐘左右大概會兩分鐘 |
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所以董事長有信心就delay最多到兩分鐘是的 站內站內是那因為那個我想上次委員也是很擔心說站外平交道的影響那個站外平交道的影響我們跟鐵道局這邊有很好的這個合作那所以我們用一個在尖峰時段 |
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比如說我們在北上是尖峰我們南下用減班的方式然後晚上的時候是這個南下是這個尖峰但是我們是在北上減班那這樣的話就減少了我們這個停交道的等候以前的話在這個還沒有切換之前我們停交道的這個公路就是可以通車的大概佔了75% |
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那這次評價到只有25個不是現在呢我們現在已經喔經過了減班提速這個方式呢我們已經回復到70%了那感謝董事長您這邊有特別留意到因為從上週到昨天5月5號嘛那因為鐵道的地下化這個內地在他這個軌道切換工程他列車影響他列車必須要慢速行駛嘛 |
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那這個關係也導致平交道他平面道路上面交通塞爆的情形其實到昨天都還沒有緩解那這陣子那除了上一次4月28號開會之後你們接下來會不會建議一個固定的就是三方就是桃園市政府鐵道局然後還有我們台鐵公司陸續在一直持續進行工作 |
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是的這個平台一直是有跟委員報告我們其實都在觀察我們每天都觀察在這個尖峰時段那麼不管是車站的運行還有這個平交道的運行那我想局長跟我們這裡也都有很密切的這個合作那目前來講我們看來5月28號以後我們會全部恢復到雙線恢復到平場的速度 |
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5月28號那鐵道局這邊這段時間可不可以加派人力就協助我們桃園市政府地方我再補充說明清楚一點就是5月8號之後東正線也就是我們的下行的軌道桃園往內地往中壢的方向就可以恢復正常速度 |
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那西正線呢就是上行的軌道那麼在5月28號如同剛剛董事長所講會完全恢復正常速度換句話說再請我們市民朋友忍耐一下那剛剛提到的也就是說我們跟台鐵公司還有桃園市政府交通局三方現在是非常密切的在做合作在新仁路平交道遠東路平交道還有這個智利新村還有內地欄的這個平交道 |
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四個評價到我們三個單位都有派人好謝謝局長的說明也因為時間的關係那再請局長還有董事長這邊再多加留意我們一定會盡全力來處理那也請主席邀請民航局何局長好請何局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9166.26 |
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9179.356 |
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好 局長好 局長那個近期雲林發生一次超輕型載具墜落事故媒體報導稱為民航機事故那這邊想跟局長了解那民航機對非法低空飛行的活動你們事前有沒有能夠掌握的能力啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
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9207.323 |
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我想向委員報告因為超輕型載具的這種航機基本上它是一個比較偏向休閒管理那基本上我們都是用在民航法裡面有明定就是透過協會的團體然後他要在合法的空域要取得所有的操作證等等航機的這個超輕型載具要經過驗證那局長就您對這起事故的了解那這家載具有沒有依法註冊沒有 |
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9208.584 |
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9222.919 |
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那這個操作債巨的人他有沒有合格的操作資格基本上他是沒有合格的操作證然後也沒有向民航局來申請那這個部分我們會依民航法來裁處他那現在慾安會正在調查當中嗎 |
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因為本身有看到民航局有推動無人機remote ID可是低空的監理現在是不是只有在監理無人機而已那像對於這樣子的超輕型載具還有民間的低空載具你們要怎麼來進行管理向委員報告一下基本上有人機的部分我們都有ADSB就是它會廣播它的訊號有人機的部分大飛機的部分就是在我們航管系統是看得到 |
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那超新型載具確實目前來講我們並還沒有要求說超新型載具一定要做剛剛講的這個Remote ID就是類似ADS-B跟無人機那未來我們會因為低空的空域的使用的複雜度因為無人機加超輕加這個有人機所以這個部分我們未來會朝這個方向來運作據說您剛剛有提到它沒有註冊嘛那對於像這樣子沒有申報沒有納管的低空飛行器你們要如何來掌握 |
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是只能依靠民眾檢舉警方通報嗎還是等到事故之後你們才能了解到這個部分確實向委員報告這種要就是要故意違規的確實我們就是只能在它發生的時候因為它本身這個剛剛講的超新這個超新載具我們目前還沒有要求去裝所謂的ADSB就是剛剛講的這個remote ID類似我們可以知道它飛航狀況它的軌跡等等那這個部分我們後續會來 |
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做這樣的研究那像這樣這一類的超新型載具那還有風行也包括像是飛行動力傘還有滑翔機其他的低空活動那你們有沒有建立一個低空它活動的它飛行的風險的樂趣應該是說我們對於超新型載具的空域我們都有劃定就是劃定的空域它才可以去做飛航因為基本上它這種飛機基本上它我們沒有讓它飛太遠就是有一定的空域跟高度 |
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才可以進行這個超新營載具的一個活動那如果超出這個空域的範圍那就是屬於違規的部分我們看到這一起事故它是它是墜毀在其實它是臨近陸軍火炮的訓練陣地那像比較敏感的地方或是在人口密集區或是如果旁邊有重大基礎建設的話那民航局跟軍方還有警政地方政府之間你們有沒有一個通報的系統 |
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9367.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9381.864 |
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向委員報告其實我們在超新寧載具的管理來講我們其實每年我們都會做定期的宣導包含團體協會包含地方政府相關單位然後包含宣導包含相關的違規大家的共同處理 |
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9382.324 |
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9398.798 |
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那這個部分是有一個定期的從超行載具活動開放到現在那所以說近年來其實事故的頻率也有往下降那這一次這兩次的發生這個部分我們都會列為年度裡面的一個宣導包含 |
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9399.278 |
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9417.791 |
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那現在顯然是宣導已經不足了嘛我有看到你們115年度的非常安全監理的預算是1.1億那其實現在目前監理不能只有監理合法的然後像對於這樣子非法的那你們希望你們也回去研究那要怎麼來進行管理也要來避免 |
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9418.331 |
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好是委員剛剛提的部分就是我剛剛提到就是說對於未來這個低空的一個活動的掌握這個部分就我們剛剛講了是不是要來研議裝所謂的ADSB或者是類似REMOTE ID的這個部分那相關的研究跟預算我們也會盡量來編列那也請局長再提出像預算能力還有你們查核能量是不是能夠就是反應新的低空的飛行風險 |
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9445.013 |
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9473.965 |
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這個部分我想我們也有跟人事單位還有部裡也都有在支持民航局的一些監理量能人員的部分確實我們在一些這個類似監理這個航機務的部分的檢查人員的部分因為外界的一個薪資包含民航產業的一個發展我們確實在這個機務跟航務的這個檢查員的招募上面人力是比較吃緊的那相關的薪資待遇水準也無法比照相關的類似同 |
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9474.605 |
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9501.799 |
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同性質的那這個部分我們也是透過人事等等相關單位一直來反映這樣的事情那我想在部裡跟相關的人事單位也都有在幫我們協助處理那我想這個部分也是我們民航局監理單位在監理市值人員的部分最重要的因為今天這一起是讓我們看到這不是單純是違規的飛行問題嗎那其實也包括飛安然後還有治安還有整個空放管理那這邊請民航局再提出謝謝謝謝局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9506.363 |
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9519.279 |
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好 謝謝邱若昊委員 謝謝局長接下來我們請何欣淳委員發言好 謝謝主席監考召委我們是不是請交通部陳部長好 請陳部長 |
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9528.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9545.102 |
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部長好 部長來自台中所以我們都關心台中國際機場這個我為什麼取名叫升級3.0我想台中機場的前身1972年7月是台中水南機場成立台中的後機室 |
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9545.822 |
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9562.15 |
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那1993呢升為台中輔助站隸屬於台北國際航空站的監管那是最原始最原始的一個台中的水南機場後來呢是在我們民進黨第一次執政的時候陳水扁總統的時代台中的國際機場升級為 |
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9565.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9589.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
2.0真正叫做國際機場開始把量體提升而且擴建那現在我今天在這裡呼籲也要求現在台中國際機場是中台灣空運的重要核心那我希望能夠邁向台中國際機場的3.0升級版因為在今年卓中泰卓議院長也有到台中國際機場去視察 |
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9591.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9596.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
那時候是為了希望台中國際機場的整體規劃我們當時的定位在2040年的整體規劃報告希望台中在北中南都能有符合國際水準的中型或大型規模的機場提供我們所有的旅客更便捷 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
9612.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9626.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
那問題是2014年我跟卓院長都認為太久遠了我們都積極的希望能夠邁向台中國際機場3.0而且要早一點做下一頁那現在呢剛剛 |
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9628.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9645.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
部長有回答我們召委啊你也知道說現在台中國際機場的這個乘客旅客量突破300萬然後呢超乎比預期的高甚至比疫情的時候之前高 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9646.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9651.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
那意思是什麼現在我們幾乎從台中飛出去的班機班班客滿那現在國際航線總共有26條線那這26條線還在繼續增加當中部長你也知道那表示什麼中台灣有這樣子的一個腹地跟量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
9665.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9672.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
那如果有這樣子的負力量呢 有市場的需求我們當然積極要要求台中國際機場要擴建啊而且擴建計畫要提早啊那你剛剛有回答說在今年年底跟明年年初可能會有一個新的規劃方案出來是不是可以請部長再講得更詳細一點 |
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9686.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9715.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
好謝謝委員的關心確實我們在台中機場看到他這幾年的發展已經超乎我們原本的設定跟想像而且超乎蠻多的那對台中的鄉親來講在台中機場的使用確實是相當便利比起我們去其他的機場不管是小港機場或者是桃園機場那有這個需求我們也看到了過去我們的這個整體的規劃是到2040年那我們也認為太久那委員也不斷在關注這件事情所以您現在所提到的這個整體規劃的3.0 |
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9717.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9739.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
我們希望說民航局在今年底或明年初可以提出來那幾個關鍵大家比較關注的事情我們先解決因為現在很多的航班跟航空公司都有需求希望能夠進到這個機場那我們目前維修的空間不足那這個部分我們會優先來處理就是說維修區的部分我們先提供給民航公司國際航空公司可以先來使用那這樣對於吸引 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
9740.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9762.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
所有的這個國際航空公司願意進駐到這個機場的意願會提高以後我們的航班航線就會來增加那另外一點就是說針對這個跑道滑行道的部分的改善我們希望把它做到更好那做到更好一方面是我們希望說未來整體的機場的韌性如果要降大型的飛機在緊急的狀況底下要多降一些大型的飛機一類的 |
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9764.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9788.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
那個航機我們可以有更高的效率所以華新跑道我們的效率要讓它提高改善的部分我們也會提出來那第三點其實是我們民眾最在意的因為實際上我們旅客到了機場真正在使用就是航廈那目前我們的T1跟T2台中也是T1跟T2國內跟國際那T1跟T2目前都已經滿載就是使用量已經到達接近飽和的狀態 |
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9789.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9812.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
那大家會覺得有點擁擠那所以我們也要優先趕快來提出我們T3行下的建制我們希望在這一兩年在今年或明年能夠提出T3行下的整體建制的初步規劃要先把它做好至少要有一個起步要有一個決定決定說要這麼做那把初步的規劃規劃好後續就可以趕快來走這個程序 |
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9813.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9837.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
這個就是我期待部長能夠做的我也已經親自跟卓院長報告過了台中國際機場如果今年年底你剛剛說的這個規劃第一個維修的廠棚第二個滑行道的優化第三個第三航廈那我認為這個都是現在我們台中國際機場已經飽和的狀況之下我們先來解決 |
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9838.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
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第一個民眾進到台中國際機場碰到的痛點包括剛剛黃委員有提到不管是這個行政效能通關行李的效率提升這個能不能在近期內有提出一個解方這第一個先解決目前旅客在台中國際機場碰到的痛點 |
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第二個 聯外交通聯外交通當然必須要中央跟地方一起合作因為國際機場我認為它是我們台中的一個城市的門戶那除了對我們自己民航局轄管的台中國際機場裡面的內部的停車空間還有如何在積極的 |
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運用我們中央的資源把年外的運輸接駁功能再強化那當然地方政府對於年外交通也要再加緊腳步這個是未來我要做的但是呢我希望中央地方要趕快的做那第三個就是剛剛講的 |
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拜託部長 我們的這個台中國際機場的升級3.0版能夠在今年底趕快的有規劃案包括你剛剛說的 再講一次 維修機棚 滑行道的優化還有這個航廈的增建 擴建 我相信這個其實我們早就有案 |
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那這個案子是如何的能夠更完整的趕快的提出來我希望能夠看得到效率啦部長這個很重要部長有沒有辦法能夠再提早 |
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我們盡量來加快速度那不過委員上面的這個畫的圖的這個第三行下的這個位置跟你們現在要規劃的不一樣對不對沒關係這個就是我希望您的現在所謂的3.0升級版的規劃案能夠盡早 |
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做好 做好之後儘早公佈公開我相信這個是需要讓大家 尤其是台中人都要知道很多 我最近在走訪基層 很多人知道說台中這個可以飛日本神戶 可以飛日本東京 可以飛韓國釜山越來越多條國際航線 我們台中人覺得很好耶 |
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很開心 很期待啊但是呢 還是有抱怨 我剛剛講的啊我們現在台中的國際機場的一個這個效率太慢行李運輸太慢 聯外交通太差那甚至呢 我可能 |
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你知道昨天我剛好跟一群年輕人談到台中國際機場那個年輕人台中的年輕人給我的反饋是什麼台中清泉崗國際機場感覺上明明就在台中但是呢怎麼跟我們的心離得很遠因為呢我從市區啊或者是從台中的各地啊我要去清泉崗國際機場啊這個交通非常不方便 |
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要自己叫計程車要自己叫Uber不然就是要自己開車這個當然你會說這是好像連外的運輸轉運功能的這些交通系統是地方政府的事可是我要說的是拜託部長讓中央地方大家一起合作來讓我們台中的年輕人認為我看到了台中清泉鋼機場是真正升級為國際機場而且是能夠享受到 |
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優質的國際機場的一個服務到位而且呢交通是讓他們覺得便利的這個我覺得它還是一個能夠正向發展的一個國際級的機場所以3.0的升級版很重要部長我想看到的是個而且我希望能夠馬上做盡快做早一點完成規劃早一點來進行相關的工程可以嗎部長 |
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好我們來努力好拜託那是不是可以再會後找個時間再把現在正在規劃的進度我們辦公室見報告一下好不好謝謝好謝謝何定存委員謝謝部長接下來我們請許智傑委員發言 |
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謝主席那個交通部真的很辛苦保證你休息一下好了我們先請台鐵好 請台鐵政務董事長台鐵政務也是要聽的我是說不用站就好了委員好謝謝董事長還有總經理我們台鐵越台門這個 |
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我要求了很多次,那終於已經第一站已經完成了對不對是的那這個所以我的習慣是這樣,有做的要先感謝跟鼓勵啦不然一直賣,其實大家都很辛苦的但是我們這個部分屬性有改善那因為之前落軌事件也真的是蠻多的 |
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所以我們為了所有的旅客的安全所以我也一直在要求這個月台門的施作那現在也已經啟用了我們高雄車站已經啟用了所以這個要先感謝台鐵的辛苦那當然感謝之外再來就是後續嘛因為安全總是需要再加強嘛那其他的後續我們台鐵有沒有做什麼樣的研議跟規劃 |
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是 我們現在六月份是要辦理這個試運轉那現在目前我們正積極做的就是說就車務人員還有這個乘務人員還有站務人員的SOP的教育訓練務必把這個整個運作能夠做好對 所以這個我想你們後續的規劃 比如說 |
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高雄還有很多站還有其他全國其實有很多比較會有危險性的是不是也麻煩台鐵併顧一下那能夠做的 |
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因為他一開始1.51是因為有很多的試驗所以要花比較多錢嘛後續應該就不用花那麼多錢嘛應該是那就是說是不是希望請台北規劃全國比較容易發生危險的落軌事件的地點能夠做一個規劃是我們會做這個評估那這個規劃完也讓我知道一下結果好這個麻煩台鐵先感謝啦再要求辛苦好第二個就是我們鳳山車站 |
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鳳凰車站其實也還沒完成 |
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總是有一些流標不過現在已經初步已經有完成標案的是不是請董事長跟我們全國人民鳳山人民做個報告是的我們這個鳳山車站這邊有兩棟大樓A棟跟B棟那A棟的部分我們現在就是在做一樓到三樓我們在做這個台鐵便當的體驗營這樣的工作那這個會在今年的六月底那能夠完成然後來開放 |
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另外B棟的部分我講A棟的話四樓上去這幾樓跟高雄市政府做密集式的現在他們在四樓方面已經承諾要進駐至於五六七的話他們現在還在密集的跟我們討論現在四樓已經講好了對 |
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那另外B棟這邊的話我們從一樓到四樓那這部分已經有一家這個已經絕標了那現在已經要進來就一個健身中心就非常好的一個B到四樓 |
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那五六七的話我們這一部分我們也在規劃引進現在也有一些潛在的這個廠商願意來進駐所以我們現在積極的這個接觸他們然後來討論就是已經完成的目前A棟大概也是一到四樓預計六月七月大概可以完成 |
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那B棟一到四樓也已經招標了目前的進度是這樣是的那A棟的五樓以上的市府還在洽談應該機會也蠻大的那B棟的上面的五六樓也在也有潛在的這個廠商在洽談中好那這個就是 謝謝啦 |
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我知道你們也很辛苦 標了很幾次那都沒有標出去 那當然有很多的主客觀因素啦那目前能做的我們先把它做好那再來就是說要怎麼樣去加強呢我們現在有兩個方案 一個方案就是捷運 |
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捷運我們現在在要求高雄市政府就是更改路線它本來的捷運清線是沒有經過鳳山車站那我們現在在要求市府看有沒有機會就是改這一個你可以看到這個虛線這個路線的虛線它會經過我們鳳山車站連接鳳山的捷運站這個部分我們目前市府也還沒決定 |
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也還在評估當中那我們也在要求當中不過有機會將來我會想辦法讓台鐵的營運可以更好讓我們鳳山車站可以更熱絡更繁榮這是大家一次的目標這個先讓董事長跟總經理也知道一下這個你可能還不清楚那再來就是說在鳳山車站跟鳳山捷運站中間這一個我希望說用文化步道把它連接起來 |
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那前陣子我們也有去那個縣城會館那一條曹公圳連接鳳山捷運站跟鳳山車站連接起來真的是相當好啦它是一個很好的散步的步道而且旁邊也有中華商圈那這個不論台鐵也已經請人在規劃設計 |
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這個初步的規劃報告在6月6月出來6月 好 OK那我現在再給那個董事長跟總經理一個新的訊息現在就是我有請水利局市府水利局現在要申請水利署的經費從公正這一段他會先把它整治好再整治得更好啦是 謝謝委員的支持所以可能你們現在請設計院在設計的時候再跟市府要一下這個水利局目前他整治的規劃 |
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那整支的規劃再配合你的設計再加上一些美觀等等的設計那也許台鐵可以少花一點錢那不過我的意思就是說台鐵以前在花錢都是花在台鐵裡面啦外面通常那個以前從來沒有花這個錢的習慣但是我跟董事長跟總經理報告就是說現在 |
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這個將來捷運清線我們再努力那現在曹公駿這個在整治修復的這個部分我們現在也可能會學律署我也拜託過應該會完成應該會OK啦這個計畫你們再看一下那設計在下主要就是變成那個車站再連接曹公駿中間那個路段而已很短 |
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所以這麼短的距離再加上後面如果有一些比較漂亮那個藝術方面的規劃設計這個就請台鐵把這個結合在一起所以開業前應該我已經提你太多次了這要請台鐵要再請幾次 |
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所以這已經先給你們先前先後所以我靠這其實我的目的也是連接鳳山捷運站跟鳳山火車站這也是對捷運站對火車站的勝利絕對有好所以我要拜託董事長就是說這個部分 |
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前段我來做後段希望台鐵把它收尾我們會全力來做那非常謝謝委員的指教事實上整個把這個鳳山車站跟外面的這些連相關的文化設施或相關的整合在一起這是符合台鐵現在就是說希望旅客到站就到家這樣一個概念是完全一致的我們會全力來努力 |
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所以這個部分我想希望台鐵在水利署 水利局我請他們做好之後那你現在規劃就加入他們的規劃那後續剩下的就很短的一段了就希望台鐵把它補全這樣子整個步道就會很漂亮 好不好 |
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好 謝謝委員這個再麻煩董事長跟總經理多幫忙好 謝謝因為時間的關係我想簡單的就台鐵的這個人才的部分缺工的部分希望你們再多規劃一下員工福利啦那另外時間不夠那我們就先執行到這裡那其他的舉止就下一次再問啦好 OK 好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝許志堅委員 謝謝鄭董事長接下來我們請游昊委員發言OK 謝謝昭偉 那有請部長好 請陳部長 |
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部長您很認真我知道那我想說剛好在這個上次在張文隨機攻擊事件到現在已經也快半年那也想說在那時候有檢討公共運輸安全機制那在那樣子的時間點到現在將近半年的期間那我也在最近這幾次也在不管是在台北車站或是在高鐵站 |
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都有在看那個整體的這個保全或是危安人員他們的一個整體的狀況那我想就教一下部長那在這個張文隨機攻擊事件到現在整體的一個公共運輸安全那現在的 |
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檢討的一個情況跟改進落實的情況不管是在高鐵或是台鐵還或者是公共運輸的公車站或者是一些這些重大車站的一個整體狀況是如何 |
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好 謝謝委員的關心其實我們在歷次的事件之後都有做一定的檢討跟改善像高鐵現在它每一班車上面其實都有保全的人員在那高鐵本身也有這個鐵井的這個配置所以這個部分應該都沒有問題那台鐵的部分其實在上次的事件之後我們其實 |
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對於整體的保全的人力還有就是說跟鐵警之間的配合那個巡邏的時間我們一天會有五個時間來做巡邏五個時段來做巡邏那這個部分也都有做加強那因為 |
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就是一般來講公共運輸安全至少要在人流高度密集、空間高度開放或是供給難以預測的三種情況、特性的時候來去做加強那所以剛才依部長所提到的部分當然說我相信加強警力也好或是保全的一個維安的密度可是因為目前來講涉及公共運輸安全的法律不管是大眾檢疫法、鐵路法或是災害防救法其實並沒有公共運輸安全的相關的 |
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就是保障或是入法的一個規定那所以說現在的話幾乎就是地方政府自己採購設備捷運公司自己做遠練還加強警察及保全的巡邏那我想要跟部長提一下因為安全不能靠運氣啊那這個制度的改善不能靠新聞公共運輸安全是國家責任並不是自由行政所以現在國家安全地方化風險責任民營化在 |
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目前來講看到這些保全或是警力的設備其實他們的防護設備其實是非常的薄弱的所以那時候像保全公會有提到不管是防爆叉或是防護盾牌其實他們那時候有提到的這些設備我想問一下交通部跟警政署溝通的情況怎麼樣 |
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那是不是有開放因為像現在是不是都有相關的一個設備可以讓我們的維安人員保全人員或是警察都有這些設備來防止像上次那個隨機攻擊事件的時候他們有更好的一個防備的武器像委員報告我們確實有跟內政部在溝通這個問題 |
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那內政部這邊也很幫忙對於保全方面需要用的設備的部分他們也開始有選定一些項目可以來開放那像我也比較關心的像防爆叉或者是盾的部分那目前像台鐵公司台鐵公司已經在採購了已經在採購我們希望未來在行車室裡面都有這樣的配置真正有緊急狀況的時候就可以拿出來使用這個部分我們正在加強 |
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好 那在台鐵公司目前來講在防爆插的這個因為最主要像上次那個張文的部分他是使用短兵器那如果說有防爆插的話或是相關盾牌的話相信是是可以立即來去做一個制止甚至保護民眾那台鐵公司目前所採購這個防爆插還有幾多種採購相關的防護盾那大約什麼時候可以到這個我們的許多的各站的這些危害人員的手上請總經理來回答 |
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包委員就是三次攻擊事件以後我們全面檢討我們現在已經在請各區在辦理採購作業中那預計我們在今年的九月就這一這些避頓還有防爆插都會到位陸續到位在我們優先在我們的特等站會先來做擺設好謝謝那同樣的那高鐵的部分那目前是不是也有跟進這樣子的做法 |
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像委員報告目前高鐵他們的保全人員都有一定的配備身上都有一定的配備那至於這個叉跟這個盾的部分我可能還是要跟他們了解那今天那沒關係那高鐵要補充嗎 |
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目前可能沒有這個部分如果委員這麼關心那我們會請他們如果可以的話建議來跟進好不好建議來跟進因為在高鐵站的這個人流量啊其實也有時候也是不足這個就是像一級車站這樣子好不好那沒關係那這個部分就我就建議希望能夠再做補強那再來的話在預算的部分啊我們看到其實像這次我們的 |
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鐵道局也好他也有提到這個AI巡檢他要提升這個編列3750萬的一個部分希望能夠整體達到這個智慧運輸系統發展計畫他還甚至計畫整體更高達64億那是直接要 |
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就叫一叫局長讓局長回答沒關係就是政府的資料不是不夠是彼此看不見裡面有提到AI包括提到預警在目前的不管是捷運地方政府或者是鐵路或是公路的相關的這種交通的運輸系統是不是有完成整合裡面要如何做這個AI的決策跟預警 |
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跟委員報告本項這個預算在鐵道局部分編列是3750萬那這個案子我們現在要進行的是我們的AI的生態系的基礎設施的建置同時我們會就所謂的工地的管理系統還有監理上面的數位監理的這個部分來做AI上面的應用跟發展 |
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好那其實最主要剛才有一句就是各個機關各個單位並不是沒有系統而是鼻子間看不見那如何能夠透過AI來讓他整合進而達到更全面的一個防護那我覺得這個才是達到預警我們大家支持預算的效果我們現在鐵道林的部分有在整合各個鐵路機構的資訊 |
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好 那我們拭目以待那再回的就是剛才鐵路公司的部分因為其實許多委員一樣在觀察在關心這個就是人力缺口那其實其實現在來講的話鐵路公司確實在董事長總經理的經營之下績效轉虧為盈而且就是獲利都很不錯 |
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但是在人力的缺口上要如何來去解決那是否有預計在今年度針對相關的福利的部分來做一個檢討跟調整以及有沒有預計能夠補足多少缺口 |
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這個缺口的部分我們在今年的5月我們現在目前來講大概都已經補齊了那換句話說本來在今年3月之前的話我們這個還在缺口整個公司大概還在2個多%那現在因為經過這一次我們整個大幅招募那已經把這個缺口現在目前已經補起來了 |
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好那這個相關的這部分都有資料那有剛才有呈現到這個缺了1300人那像董事長剛剛有提到的缺口有補足這是一件很好的事但是員工尤其是鐵路的勞工其實一直都是公司的重要的資產 |
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那如何能夠在相關的不管是待遇獎金及保障上面能夠給他們更為提升的話我相信在董事長總經理的帶領之下有轉虧為盈甚至有很好的獲利情況之下那我覺得可以來充分照顧員工來看一下他們的待遇跟福利如何能夠來做一些提升 |
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是的 我們會朝這方面來做尤其這個電務 機務 公務可能每個情況不太一樣因為市場的人力需求的競爭也是不一樣的所以我們會尤其在電務方面我們會比較欠缺的這部分的話我們也按照市場區隔那麼按照地區裡面來徵召這些人這樣的話可能可以減少流動好 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝有話委員的發言謝謝部長謝謝董事長接下來我們請陳青龍委員發言好那謝謝主席那我來邀請我們財鐵公司我們鄭董事長好請鄭董事長好主席謝謝好 |
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好 陳董事長好我相信我們很多委員還有我們很多民眾都關心的是我們台鐵的一個安全那這個安全包括我們的運輸的安全還有場站的安全剛剛我看到我們交通部陳部長也針對安全運輸安全做了一些答覆 |
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那我想我在我的簡報裡面我們也來看到現在除了運輸安全是我們台鐵一定要要求的場戰場戰的安全也是我們一個重點很明顯的從這兩個月等於這兩個月3月4月這兩個月密集發生了這種 |
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安全上的一個問題那整個車站對我們來講它是一個很重要的人流交通的一個節點但是我們現在我們的民眾到車站我們變成要擔心 |
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兩件事情一個可能是偷拍在我們的這個廁所啊公共廁所有這個真孔的一個偷拍的一個案件那另外一個就是隨機攻擊這樣的一個案件所以我在這邊啊我們台鐵目前我們最重要碰到這兩件事情那我要請教 |
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請教我們台鐵這些例子我相信董事長都知道了我們下一頁 |
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那我先從偷拍來講偷拍我們台鐵有我們的一個巡檢的一個制度一個措施在執行但是偷拍的案件還是一直在發生那代表我們對真恐巡檢偷拍這樣的一個措施我們沒有確實的在執行我在這邊我舉這個例子新竹營站 |
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整整偷拍了九個月我們巡檢的通人通通沒有發現就代表我們這樣的一個措施真的沒有落實董事長你怎麼看我們這樣的一個制度這樣的一個措施 |
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跟委員報告我們精進的方式就是說我們現在要求我們的戰務人員尤其是清潔人員每天一定定期的來檢查而且做紀錄這都要求啦但是還是這樣的事件在發生我想說怎麼去進一步的來強化我知道你措施制度都有啊你都有要求啊但是就是這樣發生啊 |
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我們會加強這個巡邏的這個以此這樣的遏止遏止這些然後如果有看到有遇到這情況的話呢我們趕快去送警然後去偵辦對啊這個速度我們一定要落實我們這樣巡檢的制度啦好不好這個要強化你不用讓我們的鄉親 |
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坐我們的台鐵的鐵列回家上個洗手間都有這樣被偷拍的這樣的一個風險嘛好不好而且這個又形成很多性犯罪的一個狀況這個在治安上真的是我們強化的一個重點 |
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是 同時跟委員補充報告以前我們著重的重點 巡查都是在女側現在我們也把那個男側一起放進來同時我們也跟這個警察有一個更密切的對呀 這個要跟我們的鐵警 我們的鐵路警察這邊也都要配合嘛 |
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是的好不好好那我們下一張我們剛剛講說風險有兩個一個就是偷拍一個就是這個這個這個隨意的這樣的一個攻擊我們在去年你看我們看到台北車站的性侵案 |
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11481.866 |
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11504.876 |
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我們在去年12月我們的這個隨機在台北車站北捷這樣的一個隨機殺人然後到上個月我們街友在我們台北車站對我們那個外籍的小孩子做這樣的攻擊那我們的這樣的一個危案 |
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我跟董事長報告 事情一發生 我們都會發表我們的作為我們如何去強化 如何去提升 如何去加強這樣的安全但是啊 過了之後 事件還是持續在發生那這個真正的問題在哪裡 |
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各位報告我們現在有兩點這個積極的作為第一個就是說我們增加這個見景率也就是說有原來的每小時每兩個小時視察一次我們變成是每兩個小時能夠要三次以上的這個巡邏另外我們跟台增加見景率增加巡邏同時我們每天在時間點也一樣有關心我們要增加巡邏增加見景我這邊舉一個例子 |
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我們台北站這個場站場站的保全你只聘請三個人一班一人你要求二十四小時三班制七點鐘一班八點鐘一班請一個人這樣三班一個七點鐘就請三個人那我請問董事長這些人都不用輪休 |
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11604.873 |
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都不用排班都不用營休我跟董事長報告你們台鐵全段的保全前年整年的編列的預算有1億4千多萬都用在保全跟保險但是你的原配置 |
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你剛剛我已經講了台北場戰發生這麼多的一個問題結果你的措施是增加保全人員而且24小時要輪班這樣叫做做一個對民眾就做交代嘛做一個交代的我有增加保全人員我有增加這個安全的一個巡航 |
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現在整個台灣裡面我們現在是21個人那我們現在在這個今年7月以後我們把它調整為4倍 |
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對啦 我終於聽到一個比較具體的一個答案會增加四倍的保全能力嘛 對不對所以強化保全的能力來穩步的提升我們的巡檢密度讓我們重要的這樣的火車站我們的場站的安全能夠提升嘛 好不好是 好 |
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那謝謝謝謝董事長那我在這邊還有一個小小問題我要再跟陶吉陶吉陶吉陶吉的我們楊董事長我在這邊簡單 |
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好我這邊繼續把握時間上次我們交通部有補助我們淘機710萬要購買無人機那這個我當初就提出質疑當然交通部提出補助了我一直質疑淘機在桃園機場你怎麼飛你的無人機啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
11734.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
冷不冷 我現在查我們的一個法規明明我們的法規 民航法就規定機場跑道附近絕對禁止無人機的活動那你要飛無人機要跟民航局15天之前要提出申請而且提出申請的一定是政府機關 學校或法人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
11755.873 |
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那法務部在90年的時候有一個解釋淘機公司不屬於民防法裡面的政務機關民防法的政務機關所以你淘機怎麼來飛這個無人機我怎麼看都是不能飛啊那你買這個無人機要怎麼使用來 請回答 |
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是 非常謝謝委員的這個追尋淘氣公司要用無人機它是用在我們在管理上的需求管理上的需求比如說機場發生了緊急事件當緊急事件發生的時候可能是跑道會停止起降 關閉了那我們為了要了解緊急事件在機場場域裡面的一個設施狀況或者是必要的時候去做維護營運管理上安全的那我在法規上是不是要調整要修正 |
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目前的法規我覺得有問題嘛法規完全沒問題嘛我剛剛提出了民航法的規定沒問題謝謝委員 有關民航法的規定因為陶姬基本上她也是一個法人所以她依規定提出向民航局提出申請她具備了法人的資格那她就可以依規定來提出好 你們現在認為法規沒問題嘛 |
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都沒問題那我們就法規的部分我們會再來做討論好吧好謝謝謝謝好謝謝沈青東總召發言謝謝各位部長接下來我們請萬美玲委員發言謝謝召委我們有請陳部長好請陳部長 |
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會員好部長最近有沒有注意到一件事情就是我們的獨駕頻頻的發生那最近才又看到又是發生一起獨駕那造成兩個人死亡兩個人受傷可以說是一個人倫的悲劇那我們來看到這個獨駕的案件成長非常的快速這個表上面來看一下你們聊完了嗎是 |
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我可以繼續嗎我都有在聽好 麻煩一下因為這件事很重要我們看到113年我們這個數字是2619件114年暴增到8659件這個漲幅成長6040件這是很大的一個量然後我們去看今年1到3月就有3223件這個毒價 |
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所以這個案件數真的非常的高那我們看到警政署馬上就有反應他也在媒體上面表示他會來做跨部會的合作那目前要修這個盜交管理處罰條例制定獨駕要做連坐的一個處罰來強化這些乘客們我們可以共同來監督的一個責任所以部長知道這個相關的修法現在的進度到哪裡了向委員報告我們下禮拜一會跟內政部來開會 |
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開會對 針對您剛剛所提到的這件事情就是連坐的部分來做討論那除此之外對於刑法的罰則的部分也可能會一併來做討論好 所以是下禮拜要開會對不對對 我們下禮拜要開會來討論交通部的立場是什麼我們當然就朝這個方向就是說連坐的部分我們是希望能夠你也支持跟贊成嗎當然 很好 |
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那我覺得一個好的方向對的方向那我們交通部自己也贊成的話我覺得可能就是我們跨部會的速度我覺得要加快要不然你看一件一件獨駕駕一直發生其實真的覺得非常慘不忍睹那你看這個剛才也提到就是說我們現在看到刑法跟盜交處罰條例 |
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有關這個酒駕跟毒駕不知道有沒有注意到其實他是採一個相同的處罰所以呢在這個警政署的資料上面我們可以看到過去我們當然不斷的去提高酒駕相關的罰則所以呢酒駕的案件數也從113年這個48270件然後呢114年我們看到下降了大約4000件左右那大概對115年目前是3000多件那我們看到有逐步下降 |
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可是以趨勢看起來獨駕卻是往上升那其實本席是認為其實我們是不是應該就像剛剛提到這個刑法的修正我們應該要把這個酒駕跟獨駕來做一個脫鉤那因為我們都知道其實喝酒本身是沒有犯罪的是喝酒駕車這個酒駕才有犯罪但吸毒本身有沒有罪 |
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當然嘛所以其實我覺得如果吸毒本身它就是一個犯罪的行為然後你再獨駕然後還肇事這是罪加一等罪無可赦所以呢交通部在這個部分的話有沒有考慮說我們來單獨提高獨駕的行政法則向委員報告過去獨駕沒有像酒駕這麼嚴厲那現在之後呢我們把獨駕拉到跟酒駕一樣的嚴厲 |
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那現在確實我們社會上看到這樣的大家的關注跟確實事件很多所以毒價跟酒價要不要脫鉤就是毒價再把它拉到更高我們也會一併在下禮拜一跟內政部來做整體的討論委員講得非常正確就是說吸毒這件事本身是有罪的你都已經吸了毒有罪的事情先做了之後你又開車又傷害到別人 |
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我覺得這個罪責可能要跟酒駕可能不太一樣那部長這個部分的話我們也來研究了解一下好不好那接下來我想請教一下在那個運安會的這個業務報告的時候我們有看到運安會成立到現在它總共發布了1913項的運輸安全改善的建議那其中尚未解除列管的有82項列管超過三年的共有15項本身上在質詢的時候我想部長對這個數字也有一個概念 |
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我們看雲南匯作為重大運輸事故調查獨立的一個單位所以不管他所提出來的調查或者噪音的鑑定分析報告或者改善的建議其實是非常的重要所以部長你認為說我們雲南匯所扮演的角色以及他提出來這些有關要解決這些交通運輸的問題你認為他們的意見寶貴嗎還是說其實我們聽聽就好其實沒有太大的幫助 |
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運安會的一些建議我們都相當重視那對於整體的運輸的安全的保障也一定有很大的幫助所以我們交通部所屬的各單位都應該要確實來努力朝這個方向去執行 |
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我們也肯定運安會的功能好 那我們就看到既然我們肯定那運安會其實在這個報告當中提到的就是說4月份就是4月份最新的業務報告當中指出來剛剛我提的就是說我們現在未解除列管的部分有82項超過3年就未解除列管超過3年有15項但部長你知道嗎你們自己交通部的部分還有多少的建議是沒有完成沒有解除列管 您知道是不是 詳細數字我不曉得 |
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在以上這些待處理的項目當中交通部尚未解除列管的就有15項幾乎可以占到整體未解除列管案件的將近兩成列管超過三年的案件數交通部自己本身也有三項也是差不多兩成 |
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我們看到您剛剛口中所說的運安會其實那麼重要我們也相當重視跟肯定但是他提出來的報告看起來如果連我們自己的交通部是作為交通運輸的最高的主管機關我們自己都還有將近兩成是在我們這個地方沒有處理好的那您剛剛所說的就是我們其實各單位又怎麼會去重視呢所以這個部分您自己有掌握這個數字嗎像委員報告我們其實也有了解過 |
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那這個部分很多是長期改善的部分如果可以立即改善我們當然一定會趕快做那長期改善的部分因為運安會會持續追蹤那這個部分我們也持續在改善當中只不過那個需要一些時間沒有那麼快但委員的提醒我們會相當的重視他們也說得很清楚但我必須要講就是說第一個我們交通部自己更是要以身作則如果有我們交通部的部分我們更是要快馬加鞭去做處理 |
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那第二個您剛剛說需要時間我非常同意但是不是可以請部長您會後針對剛剛我所提的您這三項的部分是列管超過三年當中十五項您在三項的部分能不能會後給我一個報告那到底這三項是為什麼也給了三年的時間那如果真的是完全不能做的我們就要想出另外的解決的辦法這三項我們特別來跟委員做說明 |
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好那我想這個為什麼那麼重要特別提一下部長我們都知道這個台鐵我們看到慾安會有提到這個花蓮段的一個這個事故調查報告那這個當中我們看到相同類型的事故113年到114年連續發生四起這上次我還是有提過結果今年還是在發生這種調配車的時候的一個事故發生 |
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所以為什麼我們就說其實孕安會把這個提出來了我們就是要做好內控要做好檢討改善通通要做如果我們沒有去重視這些那孕安會的存在就是系統沒有功能了那您剛剛既然覺得很重視的部分的話我想我們現在這82項或您剛剛說的需要一些時間那超過三年的有15項是不是能夠請部長要求一下我們現在這82項當中起碼列一個報告 |
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讓我們交通委員會的委員知道您自己手上有一個表可以來去掌控一下說這82件到底是怎麼樣了該是紅線該是黃線的我們怎麼做有一個時程這樣子運安會提出來的東西才能夠真正對將來解決交通的問題有很大的幫助這個可以在什麼樣的時間內做到嗎 |
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經理委員您的關心相當重要這82項我們會都交通部自己本身要來列管那這82項到底它延遲的原因是什麼有沒有持續在改善當中那有沒有延後到就是運安會對我們的要求有些是要長線來改善的 |
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那有沒有什麼是落後的我們都會來列管我簡單的最後兩句話一個月的時間再提供給我們我簡單最後兩句話就是說我們不要運安會的報告歸報告調查歸調查那我們看了無動於衷這樣不行嗎那但是不是82項每一項我們都有辦法去解決的我認為啦那我覺得這張表很重要是不是可以啊你把這張表運安會的表拿出來 |
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但是呢我們要來做處理看看我就說一定完全沒辦法處理的什麼原因那我們要做哪一個新的這個解決方案可以處理的大概是怎麼樣你自己也不用用顏色分級或用時間去分級把這個東西做出來也給我們委員會一份讓你自己也留下一份好不好好謝謝謝謝外民委員謝謝部長接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言 |
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主席在場的委員先進列席的政府機關事長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請交通部陳部長還有民用航空局的何局長以及機場公司的楊董事長好請陳部長何局長楊董事長 |
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委員好部長好 局長好 董事長好來 部長今天要問的是因應無人貨機跨境工業物流趨勢法令的管理思維應該由飛行到空中物流我先請教一下過去你也知道嘛黑貓它這個是貨運公司它可以送包裹然後我們中華郵政是送信郵差送信貨車送貨 對不對 |
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可是經過我們民間的爭取之後呢黑貓民間可以送文件了這個郵政法已經開放了同時我們郵政法也讓什麼郵局郵政公司可以送什麼可以配送包裹所以我要現在稱中華郵政是個物流公司你可以接受嗎 |
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也可以也可以嘛但是他的郵政法優於公路法不然的話黑貓呢要用到公路法還要用汽車運輸業的管理規則所以如果中華郵政的公路運輸可以豁免的話那假如中華郵政來做空中物流運輸呢有沒有可能我們來看一下 |
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譬如說現在我們國際的空運貨運是像UPS對不對它要遵照民航法 它要遵照航空貨物承攬規則但是中華郵政它因為它有郵政法的豁免 它不用管但是目前如果說有無人貨機要做跨境的空中物流業務不受限但是操作無人貨機會不會受限於民航法 |
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來 請局長回答是不受 業務不受影響但是貨機會受影響吧像委員報告有關民航法裡面對於遙控無人機就是這個無人機的載貨好 我知道了你說到遙控無人機我就想要幫你做一個介紹不然你還在想著多走的那種空拍機不是 是固定義的來 就算固定義你知道嗎 目前無人貨機可以到什麼程度載重上頓 |
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他的起飛航距離可以超過2000公里他只要300公尺的跑道就可以起降你知道這什麼意思嗎部長我跟你講這個什麼意思往下看 |
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就是說未來的工業區它不受限於入運公路設施的限制它可以直接在兩個工業區裡面設檢疫跑道然後它就可以沒有人員所以迅速通關因為無人而且它沒有駕駛員它用AI系統遠端遙控所以你也知道波音跟Airbus不管是客機還是貨機它的安全規格很高為什麼 |
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不管是客機貨機上面都有載人啦你是載800個人的客機還是只有正務駕駛的貨機你的飛機的安全規格很高但是無人貨機有沒有沒有當無人貨機沒有這樣的時候它的成本降低了它可以不斷地超因為沒有人嘛可能人家一台民航機可以飛20年它可能兩三年就可以結束了所以這種情況之下如果要建立個24小時的跨境空中物流 |
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請問你知不支持民航局也來研究一下推廣使用長距離跨境的無人貨機不是多軸的也不是固定翼的是可以飛2000公里再重1.5噸起降跑到這300公尺 |
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向委員報告這個部分民航局是絕對支持因為這是未來的發展趨勢謝謝很好那表示局長那個不展之道往下看所以我們來看一下民用民航法裡面它還叫做遙控無人機專章它的概念是什麼它的概念當然是什麼遙控機啦空拍機啦農藥的噴藥機啦它什麼不得什麼不得什麼不得什麼一堆不得 |
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都是管理飛行的思維但是考量到公共安全我們適度的管制在八年前的無人遙控機是對的但是現在的規格如果要用來管理無人貨機是不利於空中物流的部長你是不是同意這樣的做法 |
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同意委員的說法這個部分我們也正在推修法民航局已經在推動修法很好因為產業一直在往前進是我們要跟得上大概有沒有一個修法的進度預期進度是不是請局長向委員報告因為剛剛講的這個無人機其實剛剛講無人機就是有講到大飛機的部分我們要做整個法的調整那所以說會從法的架構跟它飛航的地點等等 |
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好來我幫你整理了你看一下現有法規叫做航空貨運承攬規則它是管理載人的貨機的但是目前它沒有納入無人貨機那麼無人貨機它沒有駕駛乘客它要調整你的飛安思維但是要評估對地面的影響它用AI通訊也能操控你要調整你的航管的方式你可能要考慮一個專用的跑道或機場用AI空中交管跟有人航機做區隔起降容易駕駛多你要調整它的航路規定說不定要有一個特別專用的空中廊道部長這樣了解了 |
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那往下看那目前呢有哪些國家在做了日本他開始在做什麼無人機的航路現在無人機啊沒有人敢去搭客機但是無人貨機是很快的所以民防局是不是要來建立個資料庫調整去統整各國的規範部長是不是要要求民防局這樣做 部長 |
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我想民航局已經有這麼做我覺得委員的關心是應該希望我們速度可以更快因為產業進步的速度很快為什麼呢前經濟部長郭志輝他有提到一個台灣的電子產業在台灣我們沒有綠電不夠我們的勞動力不夠所以他說到菲律賓 |
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就把他的電的接過來綠電接過來後來發現接電的那個海底太深是不是把我們的產業裝配的部分送到北呂送那你要不斷的24小時要把什麼我們的電子產業辦到你產業它的零組件是值輕價高對不對 數量防雜 |
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所以你要想像特斯拉它是一個超級工廠它有一個長達35公里的大的廠房輸送帶之後它就跑出一輛車了你也可以把我們整個北台灣跟南台灣跟北呂宋想成是一個跨國跨境的工業區兩邊各有300公尺的跑道無論貨機可以一噸兩噸的貨物很多元的配送到呂宋就可以用 |
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菲律賓的電力跟勞動力來進行我們半導體產業的跨境的生產這是郭志輝部長的想法我把它改良之後陳部長你覺得怎麼樣有沒有可能 |
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未來一定是可行的啦是的很好非常正面往下看最後把它結束掉了所以無人貨機的空中物流工業區就可以設跑道讓無人貨機起降但是工業區要是臨街住宅區會影響到居民對不對好還有跨境物流的走廊從工業區是點到點那你是要有專用的空中廊道避開載人航空器所以這些民航局要主動的去評估未來無人機的發展無人貨機的發展對地面居民還有載人航空器的影響所以結論 |
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是不是請部長你支持因應無人貨機空中物流趨勢趕快責成民航局從管理飛行的角度轉向積極去進行什麼不是去管理去發展無人貨機的空中物流好不好可以嗎好向委員報告我們現在整體的民航法都在朝這個方向好那統整各國無人貨機最新法規建立資料庫作為我們未來民航法遙控無人機專章的修法的參考的依據可以嗎 |
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可以 這個部分我們也積極在參與國際的會議民航局都有在參加那可不可以請民航局短期內先給一個評估 讓本席知道好 這個沒問題大概什麼時候 局長一個月好不好一個月 那就初步你們評估好 謝謝部長 謝謝局長都沒有請要到董事長 董事長以後也跟你的機場有關以後你要管的可能不只是在人的機場 還要管什麼無人的跑道好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝中央議員 謝謝部長 謝謝各位接下來我們請楊瓊英委員發言謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言 邀請部長我們請陳部長委員好 |
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非常好 上次本席跟你討論獨駕的問題我們都達成一個共識 獨駕比酒駕更可惡那這不負責任的一個行為 看到最近這幾天發生的這事件看到受害者家屬的哭喊 我們真的是很難過 |
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那我們上次也約定說下個禮拜你會跟內政部好好去討論下禮拜一我們希望能夠盡快討論這個方案出來因為目前我們的法規似乎酒駕跟獨駕是雷同但是這絕對是不同所以一定要盡快定出更嚴肅的一個刑責以及罰則 |
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能夠保護我們國人的安全這非常重要我靜待你下禮拜一能夠有一個方案出來給國人來放心接下來我們要來針對我們台中捷運的建設進度我們來做討論 |
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特別是有關大台中門戶的捷運局限的部分 也就是機場捷運來做討論台中作為中部地區唯一的直轄市 不管是人口產業都是成為中台灣的交通跟空港的門戶 它絕對是核心中的核心 |
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那所以我們必須要說的台中的捷運路網的建設呢長期以來是嚴重的落後但是我們目前能搭的就是綠線藍線也好不容易進入實質的一個推動但作為最關鍵的這個局限它現在到底是卡在可行性的審議的階段是不是 |
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所以部長對於台中市民來說真的已經等了太久了我要在這邊給部長強調的是局線它不是只有一條普通的市區的一個通勤線它串聯的是台中的國際機場 |
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大雅、水南經貿園區、台中車站、中興大學、台中軟體園區一路伸展到霧峰,也就是現在以前的省議會,現在的立法院中辦地區它是整個大台中的空港門戶的路線,跟產業的廊帶 |
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它更是未來台中整個雙十路網是不是能夠形成的決定關鍵所以今天我要請部長請問你針對我們的這個捷運局線呢核定的時程你的預算分擔以及整體的路網你是不是應該要給台中市民一個明確的方向因為我們看到現在的進度局線的可行性研究送到行政院來做審議 |
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但現在進度呢 請教部長是 報告委員 我們現在送到行政院在今年的2月2號 已經送到行政院那現在行政院正在審議當中 |
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好 那你預估什麼時候會下來呢報告委員這個部分要看行政院那邊的速度我們會去催促一定要趕快催 因為我們好不容易將這個土地都來解決 可以退縮那整個民眾的一個期待跟台中非常重要的產業 |
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跟整個入網的實質能不能成功關鍵就在這裡那所以我要請教也就是到目前為止我們送到行政院有沒有你認為在交通部裡頭那你認為還有沒有補充資料的像委員報告我們目前審議的部分交通部這邊都已經沒有意見非常感謝所以包括了整個財務促參以及醞釀這些評估 |
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我們交通部的意見都已經表達了那現在就看行政院那邊最後的所以換句話說我們台中市政府全力的在推動同時交通部也全力的認可所以我要拜託行政院的部分一定要趕快因為我們很負責任說我還有沒有要補充什麼資料 |
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那既然交通部認為是OK的所以這個速度我們一定要趕快那請教請教在今年的現在是五月份嗎你這樣預估行政院大概什麼時候會出來我們還是要有一個時間表啊我們還是要有一個時間表 |
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向委員報告因為行政院的部分是我們的上級長官上級單位啦那這個部分我們沒有辦法沒有辦法替他們評估但我們會趕快去追蹤部長你說沒有辦法替他們評估但是我相信你有這個能力去催促他趕快對不對為什麼我告訴你別讓台中人的等待變成通膨的代價這句很重要因為包括這些的 |
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車站26座車站等這些交通部台中市政府都已經認為我們的資料是完整的所以我為什麼要說別讓台中人的等待變成是通膨的代價呢因為我們依據行政院主計總署DGBAS它相關的經濟研究機構來做統計台灣的營造工程物價指數從2020年到2026年第一季它是頻頻的在上漲 |
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那整個營造物價呢從2024年的111.3一直飆到今年的觀光第一季就113.4就113.4喔那這個代表著在1602億裡頭我們交通部跟台中市政府認可的這個台中局限捷運來說如果行政的審議拖一年 |
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那我們所飆漲的建材以及人工成本這是對人民公帑的一個實質浪費因為數字會說話通膨不會等待行政院通膨不會等待行政院的核定我們已經沒有本錢再繼續虛耗這些核定的一個進度 |
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所以我要再一次的強調通膨不會等到中央政府的一個合定所以因此我要特別在這邊說重大的建設最怕的是什麼就是拖嘛就是拖啊它要增加的那麼多的一個成本你拖一年營建成本要增加就等於是漲一年耶部長怎麼辦 |
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向委員報告 沒有拖的問題沒有拖的問題 好大家都很務實在審議 是然後我們也會請行政院這邊速度加快速度加快 對那我們 你看呢今年都會核定吧 |
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我給你那麼長的一個時間我們也希望今年度可以核定希望今年度可以核定行政院這邊有對什麼事情有意見的話我們也會積極來協調好 積極協調因為物價波動 營建成本的上漲這一些的經費你認為目前1602億還有沒有需要再調整這個要看地方政府因為這是有地方政府在評估我們提出1602 你也審議過 |
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所以行政院我再一次強調重大工程最怕的就是拖剛剛我要謝謝你沒有拖的問題我們一定要全力的來推動那給台中一個穩定逐年可預期 |
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的一個協助因為這是對於一個直轄市來說很重大的一個軌道建設一個軌道建設因為我們深怕的一定要預估大家怎麼去分配中央跟地方怎麼去分配就在行政院的一個審議審核當中我們把定案下來那剛才你也說了希望在今年以前可以去把它完成下來因為我們很怕說不要讓 |
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這個地方政府又是一關一關的要去要錢那這個對民眾來講是非常非常的不公平因為我相信部長你來自台中你也很清楚台中的一個需求所以剛剛所達成的一個共識局限捷運的審議在行政院沒有拖的問題這個是我們達成的一個共識一起趕快努力因為time in money |
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我想這句話大家很清楚所以我要一個結論就是說台中要的不是口號部長我們要的是核定預算動工跟通車所以我希望你給我這四項的一個資料也就是局限捷運可行進在行政院的最新進度隨時你有什麼進度請 |
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給本席那第二個16021的總預算的審查在整個中央跟地方的一個比例那也要給我們一個明確的方向第三個也就合訂之後的逐年推動的時間表包括了剛剛我們所說現在已經制定但是行政院是不是會有做調整也就包括了重規 環評到動工通車的各項 |
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這個節點我們一步一步來跟隨那第四點也就115年度以及後續的年度中央對於台中捷運整體入網的預算支持的一個規劃請你給本席這四項的一個書面資料我們一起來努力因為達成了這個共識我相信台中隊一定全力的支持因為我們已經達成這個共識中央行政院審議沒有拖的問題加油 |
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謝謝委員好 謝謝楊瓊英委員發言 謝謝部長接下來我們請鄭天才委員發言鄭天才 鄭天才不在接下來請林柱英委員林柱英 林柱英不在接下來請洪玉祥委員洪玉祥 洪玉祥委員不在接下來請黃潔委員黃潔 黃潔不在接下來請鄭振淺委員振淺 振淺不在接下來請王安祥委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 有請部長跟民航局 何局長請陳部長 何局長委員好 |
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部長好 局長好因為我是過去做勞犬所以對勞犬的事情我都特別重視這幾天有一個新聞我覺得是一個很好的訊息就是長龍的部分他可以允許空服員可以戴眼鏡穿便携繼上次可以穿褲裝之外基本上又來這樣子的一個規定我覺得蠻好的不曉得局長對於這樣子的趨勢怎麼樣看是不是可以 |
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這個導引一下讓大家這個每個航空公司都可以照這個方向來走 |
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謝謝委員我想對於航空公司能夠在他們對於空服員執勤的時候有讓他們更屬於他們自己的一個服儀或者是這個可以戴眼鏡穿便鞋穿褲子等等我覺得是有助於他們同仁在飛機上好像有一些航空公司還沒有跟上來局長是不是可以我剛剛說可以導引他們一下這個部分我們會盡量來鼓勵他們 |
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讓空服員有更多的服裝儀容上來我也幫空服員跟局長感謝第二個就是說其實前一陣子又有一個新的新聞就是2025年勞動被裁罰的十大公司我想局長應該有看到前三名裡面竟然有兩家航空公司局長應該知道這個新聞吧而且裁罰的金額還蠻高的局長怎麼看這件事情 |
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謝謝委員確實就是說航空公司在一些這個勞基法的相關規定上面包含他的這個工作這個時間的規定上面有部分航空公司確實是沒辦法去符合他那在這個部分也確實是有相關的裁罰金額那因為 |
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因為我過去也涉獄很多他在一些個案的探討我發現有些真的是我沒想到過了那麼久他們是不是真的有一些適用勞動法的一些問題還是說他們也不想要去遵守我覺得兩個不同的層面希望局長大概知道一下如果真的有什麼困難也許大家可以開一些公聽會大家來做一些研商幫他們想一些辦法因為這個已經講了很久而且 |
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這些專業人員都過去曾經罷工過這個很多這個我想希望從好的方面來做 不知道局長OK嗎 |
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因為勞基法裡面有一個就是工作4小時要休息半小時的規定還有一個工作時數不能超過12小時那確實飛機我們在天空中飛行的時候飛到區域線那你真的要在飛機上說工作4小時休息4小時等等所以我的意思就是說大家是不是要來研商一下 |
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那另外就是說這個有很多的倡議我想局長應該也知道了包括這個AOR所謂的這個綱要尤其航線分布是不是要納入剛剛我說的有些公司違反勞動法太多是不是要把它納入到這個條文裡面去作為我們分配航權的一些基礎不知道局長怎麼看這件事 |
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好這個部分的話有關涉及這個勞權的一個非安事件我們一定會把他延逸納進來好那另外就是我後面就是很多了我想這個居然應該都有聽過包含這個空服員他這個過去是躺臥是不是可以變成這個可以躺到180度就是可以躺下來 |
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可以作為這個部分然後另外就是工作時間過去這個到底是就是機箱關起來還是說落地還是離機這個都請局長再來研商一下可能對空服員或者是基礎員會有很大的幫助 |
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那另外就是這個是機師的那些規定我們現在的那個規定是30天120小時好像我們曾經做過研議105年的時候好像有說過這個28天要限制到120小時不曉得局長現在這個好像沒有在說了對不對沒有在提這件事情 |
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這個部分這個部分確實是有討論過不過這個部分我們再來研議因為其實30天120跟28天100就是我們會再去研議一下就是說他換算用28天來算的時候 |
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對 其實他們能夠得到充分的休息我覺得是工作時不可以太長對於整個我們這個航運的時候這些旅客的安全是非常非常重要所以我們看我們現在在這個遊覽車上對司機都會嚴格嚴格的把關這個也希望局長能夠納入思考另外就是我們這個有看過這個夜間工時我們在勞基法上我們夜間工時是晚上10點到隔天的6點 |
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因為非常不大一樣所以有一些不一樣的看法可是我覺得因為現在有勞動法所以基本上我們是不是要慢慢慢慢把它做一些切齊跟我們勞基法上的一些規定要切齊包含剛剛局長說的包含我們間隔我們現在是11個小時 |
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所以就是我從剛剛說有一些裁罰跟有一些適用上規定不一樣那是不是局長可以再把這個納入思考再做一些研議讓這個他跟這個勞動法比較能夠切齊也防止很多這個航空司他們在一些勞動法律的適用上能夠有一些適從是不是局長是不是可以 |
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謝謝委員剛剛講的這些建議基本上因為跟我們航空運輸的特性有關我們非區域線或長城線有一定的距離那所以說就是說要跟勞基法完全切齊來講這個需要再深入的來研究那另外有一個部分就是說依照勞基法勞資雙方可以簽184條之一簽勞動協議那如果說資方在考量他的航線 |
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就是責任制啦對 如果說特別的航空公司經營的條件不一樣他航線經營不同那如果有一些可以先來爭取勞資雙方的一個協議那就可以來先執行那如果要完全對齊勞基法的話我想這個還是需要一些時間來是是 那我們再也許會後啦再就教局長這邊和部長好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝王安祥委員 謝謝部長 謝謝局長我們接下來請林倩琦委員發言 林倩琦也不在接下來請蔡易瑜委員發言謝謝主席 那我們是不是有請交通部部長好 謝謝鄭部長 |
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委員好部長好 |
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那部長那今天是沒有公路總局不過我還想跟部長來說一下我們嘉義的交通狀況事實上從這一次在我們觀光署我們交通部你有到台灣燈會我們交通部跟我們嘉義縣政府那翁章良縣長合作之下燈會辦得很成功但是也看出了整個我們嘉義未來可以預見的交通瓶頸那這個交通瓶頸在於說 |
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我們知道太保就是在高鐵的周邊周邊的一個道路那因為那邊現在有台積電的建廠那在高鐵的另外一側那也在我們鐵道局的成功招募之下還有華泰、民品城也即將要在這裡會來做這一個大型的一個Outlet所以未來這個高鐵橋下的這個整個平面道路將會是非常主賽一定會大車的一個地方 |
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因為再往前是台積電有要去上班族然後有Outlet在這裡有來Outlet有要去Outlet要去旅遊的這一些遊客所以這個平面一定會塞住所以我們現在可能要預對未來來做準備那我具體想要跟部長建議說82快速道路因為他跟高鐵算是非常的近大概就只有 |
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3到5公里這樣的一個距離那如果我們可以從82快速道路做一個分支線也就是分流的一個概念類似像台中這樣台中然後做一個分流然後可以直接把它就跟高鐵站串聯在一起也就是它做高架的一個形式 |
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82座高架然後把要去搭高鐵的乘客跟要在平面上可能是要去上班的或者是要去Outlet旅遊的旅客或者是上班族把它做一個分流這個對於我們未來整個太保地區的交通會有一個很大的一個幫忙因為我們可以預見未來這裡的交通流量是不足的 |
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所以我想跟部長來反映這件事情那也希望部長是不是可以撥個時間然後也約公路總局然後一起來現地來會勘那是不是這部分可以現在就來做準備呢 |
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謝謝委員的建議 這個部分地方如果有這樣的需求 我們就來評估我們針對這件事來做評估好 那我想這個是需求現在已經漸漸在浮現了等未來台積電正式上工後 華泰民秉城如果也完成 也已經完成招商開始以後 這裡的溝通一定就亂了 |
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所以這一定要趁快 要快那所以這是第一個 就是我第一個就是說從8.2這裡來疏導所謂台37線未來可以預見的交通的一個阻塞那第二個就是說台37線從鹿草到新營這一段那目前大廊發生計畫有採納說又會把這樣的 |
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一岸就是從嘉義延伸到台南那未來可以更加的串聯這兩地的一個交通那這一個計畫台37線延伸到新營這一段我想請教部長那現在都還在進度的進行中嗎 |
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向委員報告目前正在可行性研究然後我們預定在明年的11月可行性研究的評估可以做完在明年11月就可以完成可行性評估好那我們就希望說可以按照這個期程把這件事也是要加速因為這都是要改觀這附近未來的交通的瓶頸所以我們現在真的要趁早去做 |
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現在要開始準備第二個我想請民航局我們何局長來我想要請教一下跟部長就是說我們現在嘉義民航站那現在新站會有一個新站新站體就是說舊站體畢竟太老舊了已經超過40年以上的時間了太老舊而且它的站體非常小 |
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所以會有一個新站那未來在116年5月就會所謂5月到9月這邊就有所謂新闢的一個停車場然後新闢的一個站體那這樣的一個站體出來未來到底可以提供給利用這個嘉義航空站然後來搭乘的這一些乘客他們可以提供怎樣的一個服務呢 |
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我想跟委員報告嘉義站未來完成之後呢除了國內航線以外那國際的包機的這個一樣存在那裡面的相關的一些設施我們也會比現在來講會用比較新的設施等等進來那因為這個站體已經太老了那這樣對於一個嘉義機場的未來發展來講足供他未來的一個成長的需求 |
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局長應該是說我們嘉義航空站這個定位上他是國際機場沒有錯嗎只是他現在都是走國際包機那就是看有沒有包機的這個機會對基本上嘉義的這個航空站他也是可以飛國際包機的過往也曾經飛過所以因為現在的站體比較小就是說你在飛國際包機的時候相關的動線就要跟國內線做一個調整那未來的話我們就會有不同的出入口來做處理 |
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所以事實上局長你也知道在這裡除了站體小之外事實上他就是跟軍是混用的所以他的不方便也是在這一塊那我要跟局長跟部長來事實上我也是預知一件事你知道這個機場未來會變成無人機的一個是非很重要的機場 |
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這個機場所以我是覺得部長你在思考嘉義航空站的時候我們應該要有更不一樣的思維因為如果未來無人機也要在這裡試飛的話它也需要有無人機要停放的地方因為在這裡試飛無人機就未必是小型的無人機可能是會比較大型的無人機中大型的無人機它也是需要有一個空間讓這些中大型的無人機是可以停放的 |
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那你既然需要空間去停放你不可能會跟現在第四聯隊他們空軍的這些戰鬥機F16甚至那一些直升機是把它放在同一個空間不可能所以以目前整個嘉義航空站它只有佔整個空軍基地不到1% |
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它的空間就這裡而已啦局長你知道嘛就是你現在這個暫停而已是你們民航局的暫停如果未來還有商用的無人機也要進來沒有空間 |
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所以局長我覺得 不對啦 不對 應該這件事你告訴我就是我之前在建議的 我們在塗溝 水上的塗溝這裡那裡有很大的台塘地我們如果明漢站真的有這樣的一個遠見的話在塗溝那裡 我們都精修 |
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拖高那些都是台湯堆 那個精修沒問題精修後 我們也不用說這個站體不見這個民航站 只是說在西側這裡增加一個空間這個空間未來它可能是新的民航站而且它未來像我說的 他們如果要推動更好的國際包機的話那一個站會離高鐵 是台灣離高鐵最近的民航站十分之一就夠個體了 |
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兩分間就高中山高速公路了一高了這個站體的空間會變得非常的具有競爭力而且未來你看如果無人機也需要它的停機棚的話在我說的地方才會有創造出空間出來所以我的意思就是說不然可以讓我之前歷次跟你在陳情甚至你有到我們現場去看我覺得把我的這樣的一個 |
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建議那部長你們可以再跟民安局這邊跟何局長這邊大家再去評估一下整個方向我們有跟這個國防部這邊也有做協調啦因為這個機場主要還是國防部為主是啊那我們還要跟他們協調這個用地的部分其實之前都有稍微溝通過那我們會持續我們會持續來朝這個方向對事實上我不是要國防 |
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國防部的地 你知道嘛 我知道台塘那邊我知道 但是整體機場必須要國防部這邊運營對 只是機場會需要他們的空間讓我們做移動的空間 只要跟他們溝通那國防部一定會百分之百樂意的 |
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14527.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
因為我們現在的空間就是他們相對應比較沒有那麼需要的空間他們一定是百分之百樂意現在只是我們交通部看要不要踏出這一步好不好是是好謝謝謝謝部長好謝謝蔡依委員發言謝謝部長謝謝局長接下來我們請葉元之委員發言葉元之葉元之不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
14539.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
14556.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
好 今天登記質詢委員均已發言完畢我們做以下決定報告及取答完畢委員黃婕與侯惠祥委員所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員在質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或為其答覆的部分請交通部及相關單位盡速以書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
14558.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
14579.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
針對今日的會議我們做以下決議115年度鐵道局及所屬民用航空局單位預算台鐵公司桃園國際機場公司營業預算及民航事業作業基金非營業預算審查報告及尋查完畢令定期進行處理委員預算提案請於5月14日下午4點截止收件散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
14591.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
14593.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
谢谢观看 |