| IVOD_ID |
17406 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17406 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-05T09:30:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-05T16:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:46:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6097e06c278af8313644f05a244439e988892d343e5acb26cebc2cea5f32832a1da5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-05T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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抱怨會現在繼續開會進行同意權之行使事項請宣讀審查報告 |
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總統之位最高檢察署檢察總長邢太昭任期於115年5月7日屆滿之一法院組織法第66條第二項規定提名徐錫翔為最高檢察署檢察總長本院司法及法制內政兩委委員會就直接提名人選於115年4月8日上午舉行公聽會聽取專家學者之意見並製作公聽會報告提供本院委員參考 |
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赴於115年4月9日召開聯席會議審查本案由莊召集委員瑞雄擔任主席邀請被提名人學習想及法務部政務次長黃謀信列席接受詢問 |
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與會委員於聽取被提名人徐錫祥報告後進行詢答即由委員吳宗憲等提出詢問均經被提名人徐錫祥予以答覆另由委員蔡其昌等提出書面詢問原經決議本案審查完略擬拘審查報告提請院會公決院會進行同意權行使時由莊召集委員瑞雄出席說明宣讀完畢好請召集委員莊委員瑞雄補充說明 |
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無補充說明 報告院會現在對最高檢察署檢察總長被提名人同意權之行使進行記名投票表決 |
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由各黨團各推派一人擔任投開票監察員有關同意全案之相關事務工作巡禮辦理設置圈票處四個票軌兩個報告委員會在投票表決之前做下列兩項宣告 |
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一 投開票監察員由國民黨黨團推派柯委員智恩民進黨黨團推派郭委員玉琴台灣民眾黨黨團推派徐委員中信擔任二 投票截止時間為上午11時5分如全體委員於上午11時5分前均已投票完畢則提前開票 |
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現在請工作人員佈置投票所並請投開票監察員執行監察職務 |
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法院會為便於領票及投票領票時請各委員分區領票編號第一號至第六十號委員請至南區領票編號第六十一號至第一百一三號委員請至北區領票投票時發言台兩側各設有一個票軌均可投入現在請各位委員開始分區領票並投票 |
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法院會距離投票截止時間上午11點5分還有3分鐘上位投票委員請趕快投票 |
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抱怨會投票截止時間上午11時15分已到請按鈴也請工作人員佈置開票所 |
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現在報告發票報告書立法院行使最高檢查署檢查總長同意權投票表決發票報告書領票委員一百一十二人為領票委員一人合計一百一十三人中華民國一一百一十五年五月五日投開票監察員許忠信郭育晴柯智恩報告院會 |
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現在開始開票請開啟票軌並整理同意全票 |
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發言會現在依序進行唱票請唱票丁薛忠不同意丁薛忠不同意劉許廷不同意劉許廷不同意王世堅同意 |
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王振旭同意王安祥不同意王玉敏不同意王定宇同意王美惠同意王逸川同意 |
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王宏維無效票武麗華同意江啟臣不同意何新淳同意吳佩奕同意吳宗憲不同意 |
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吳秉瑞同意吳思瑤同意吳思瑤同意呂玉玲不同意呂玉玲不同意李坤誠同意李坤誠同意李坤哲同意李坤哲同意李彥秀不同意李彥秀不同意 |
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李博義同意沈伯陽同意沈發慧同意林月琴同意林佩祥不同意林怡瑾同意 |
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林黛嬅同意林俊憲同意林思敏不同意林倩琦不同意林淑芬同意林楚英同意 |
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林德福不同意 林德福不同意邱志偉同意 邱志偉同意邱若驊不同意 邱若驊不同意邱惠璐不同意 邱惠璐不同意邱振軍不同意 邱振軍不同意邱奕迎同意 邱奕迎同意 |
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柯智恩不同意柯建民同意洪孟凱不同意洪玉祥不同意范芸同意徐巧欣不同意 |
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徐欣盈不同意徐富奎同意圖全吉不同意翁曉琳不同意馬文娟不同意高金樹梅不同意 |
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張宏祿同意張志倫不同意張雅琳同意張家俊不同意 |
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莊瑞雄同意許宇珍不同意許中信不同意許智傑同意郭育晴同意郭國文同意 |
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陳永康不同意陳玉珍不同意陳秀寶同意陳廷飛同意陳俊宇同意 |
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陳冠廷同意陳昭芝不同意陳素月同意陳培餘同意陳青龍不同意陳雪生不同意陳金輝不同意 |
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陳昌明不同意陳瑩同意傅坤祺不同意尤浩不同意黃仁不同意黃秀芳同意 |
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黃建斌不同意黃建豪不同意黃潔同意楊耀同意楊瓊英不同意萬美玲不同意葉元芝不同意 |
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葛如君不同意廖先祥不同意廖偉祥不同意劉建國同意劉書斌不同意蔡其昌同意 |
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蔡易瑜同意蔡春愁不同意鄭天才不同意 |
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6599.251 |
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鄭振前不同意盧明哲不同意盧憲一不同意賴仕寶不同意賴慧元同意賴銳龍同意 |
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謝依鳳不同意 |
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謝龍介不同意鍾嘉斌同意韓國瑜不同意閻寬恆不同意羅廷偉不同意羅明才不同意 |
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羅美玲同意羅志強不同意蘇巧惠同意蘇清泉不同意 |
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報告院會現在報告投票表決結果立法院刑事最高檢察署檢察總長同意票同意權投票表決結果徐行祥同意票50張不同意票61張無效票1張決議 |
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徐錫祥未獲得超過全體立法委員二分之一之同意票依法不同意為最高檢察署檢察總長中華民國一百一十五年五月五號投開票監察員許忠信委員柯志恩委員郭育晴委員 |
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拜會上午的會議我們進行到此為止下午2點30分繼續開會進行113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案之報告及諮詢謝謝各位監票委員也謝謝徐宇貞委員陪同我們一起開票現在休息 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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12626.408 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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16227.244 |
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16227.807 |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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17971.736 |
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17983.788 |
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報告院會 我們現在繼續開會首先 歡迎我們一長二樓旁聽的來自韓國首爾門徒教會的好朋友們我們掌聲歡迎 안녕하세요 |
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17987.605 |
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17987.865 |
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我們進行審計長報告首先我們請陳審計長報告 |
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18021.159 |
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18026.388 |
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主席 各位委員 女士 先生答應審議113年度中央政府總結算 |
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18029.602 |
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18048.969 |
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附屬單位決算及重計表營業非營業部分 即前瞻基礎建設計畫第四期特別決算等審核報告今天應邀列席報告審核情形 駐趕榮幸 僅二要報告如次一 決算審定是113年度稅數決算 審定為3兆1439億元稅數決算 審定為2兆7840億元 |
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18060.077 |
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稅之相抵 剩餘3,597億元債務之償還結算1,948億元經造勢審定 收積剩餘計1,648億元 |
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18075.509 |
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18078.77 |
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113年度歸英4月結算 損定總收入3兆7549億元總租出3兆5175億元 淨利為2373億元繳庫股息紅利損定為2235億元 |
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18096.477 |
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113年度非營業特種基金結算 損定總收入4,651億元總支出425億元 剩餘1,226億元損定結繳工庫324億元前瞻基礎建設計畫第四期特別結算 稅務結算損定為3億元 |
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18123.43 |
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稅出結算審定為2,070億元稅入稅出以收租之平衡截至115年山內地址一年以上的債務未償已有實際數為5,929億元 |
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三 審核綜合成果113年度構策審核報告揭露重要審核意見共679項其中 使制度 規章缺失或設施不良 |
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18160.895 |
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18185.134 |
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建議意見計140項是重要審核意見本部就政府重要施政計畫及攸關民生之重要議題疏以查核之主要報告如此一政府為追蹤台灣永續發展目標每年檢視前一年的對應指標的推動成效 |
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18187.389 |
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18196.885 |
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為部分對應主標未達年度目標且年年落後相關主標與聯絡國全球主標接軌比例低於 |
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18199.275 |
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18214.303 |
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臨近先進國家不利國際比較政府定班新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領1.5版大案並刪讀通過打詐新司法優化執行利器113年度攔阻金額101億元查後電信詐欺集團2000億件等即相當執行成果 |
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18228.257 |
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18238.231 |
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炸氣案件量及財損為持續高高花3 政府積極推動再生能源發展 |
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18242.863 |
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18258.542 |
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為114年離岸風電累積裝置容量目標下修令太陽關電累積裝置容量容價目標量短缺4行政院核定六大核心戰略產業推動方案其中國防及戰略產業 |
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18260.844 |
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18264.448 |
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110年至113年執行是220億元已成立F16維修中心並籌建自己維修品項等 |
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18275.189 |
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為部分維修項目容帶向延長爭取技術移轉且無人機產業延期的開發進度落後政府自107年度推動台灣AI行動計畫為打造台灣本土可信任的AI對話引擎訓練資料企圖困難開發人力大減影響祖前AI的發展 |
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18303.343 |
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6.政府自106年起展開反毒策略,110年至113年中央機關毒品房住結算數114億億元,為毒品再換,再被通報比例攀升,且毒價案件除息成長,新興毒品檢驗量能, |
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18324.404 |
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上代提升等七所得差距擴大已成為多數國家氣息應對的關鍵挑戰我國吉尼西市由111年的0.32微幅下降至112年的0.339所得差距已列有七環為分配不均的現象除息且青年除息低薪八政府已 |
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18355.974 |
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18369.58 |
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政府公布台灣2050的進行排放路徑及策略總說明其中應用電動化及無碳化的關鍵戰略截至113年抵值與投入經費58億元為市售小客車電動車款位及兩成市區公車電風化執行結果未達 |
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18381.089 |
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18410.609 |
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年度目標9政府推動因應超高齡社會對策方案113年度投入經費253億元推動315項工作為考量高齡者需求的一直性提供多元化的服務且設置無障礙設置的設備執行情形未如預期等 |
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18411.983 |
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18439.925 |
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使政府辦理前瞻基礎建設截至113年抵值以編列市區特別預算累積實現市6,994億元為擁有部分主管機關為執行環境部分補助設施完工後損害、閒置、地度利用等本部近年來計較查核攸關國際民生的政府重要施政議題 |
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18441.6 |
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18465.727 |
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並追蹤各有關主管機關改善情形 則要列舉如次一 推動國家永續發展方面啟動台灣永續發展目標的檢討修正制約 預計於115年完成檢修二 加強打擊詐欺方面 除去精進各面向的具體措施 截至114年抵制 |
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18470.168 |
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18484.202 |
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查後詐騙集團3913件查客不好犯罪所得逾113億元3 推動毒品放置方面將毒品後翼快篩檢測納入主法程序114年查緝毒價應用 |
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18489.417 |
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18505.133 |
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特異快篩查入1399件改善所得分配方面已將所得分配合理化納入包容成長政策目標之一並提出三大變相八項創新對策 |
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18522.644 |
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令推動三大支出計畫促進改善所得分配五 少主女化對策方面以通盤檢討修正執行策略119年推出青年婚姻 |
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18524.465 |
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租屋協助方案115年1月1日起前面實施好運山方案建構友善的生養婚姻環境除外配合政府施政重點及呼應各界普遍關注議題 |
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18539.938 |
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本部已將政府推動近年轉型人工智慧發展與應用強化社會安全網等重要施政那列為年度的查核工作重點將持續加強查核 發揮審計功能以上二要報告 敬請主席 各位委員 女士 先生 主教 謝謝 |
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18569.268 |
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18584.557 |
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謝謝陳審計長的報告我們現在要進行委員質詢每位委員詢答時間不得超過15分鐘輪到質詢的委員如果不在場視同氣全我們首先請洪裕祥委員質詢鍾嘉斌委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請這個省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 省 |
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那看起來目前的話根據你們的報告的話整個審核意見的總件數基本上暴增在13年暴增到679項那可能在制度損失那另外像財務的損失從35變45重大為師也從6變8 |
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18647.345 |
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18673.5 |
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雖然看起來單字數字很少但是換算成百分比來看的話基本上這一個增幅算是增加那就想要請問這一個審計長就是說當我們的預算越編越多然後很多問題我看起來跟過去一些的報告審計部這樣子不斷的提醒可是在你們的報告當中發現這些問題錯誤還是依然呈現 |
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這個是不是我們將來在審計部這邊可以建立一個叫做壯大政策的一個重複缺失的一個追蹤的機制但好像我們審計部審計的這些預算發掘這些問題然後有請他們改善好像沒有用啦依然顧我不曉得審計長的看法是什麼 |
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18720.144 |
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非常謝謝委員幫我們 為我們策謀這些因為大概我們的審計意見大概有百分之將近30大概地方沒辦法及時改進完成所以它因為會涉及住住各方面的缺失住住因為後者法律的修訂會比較晚一點會比較慢委員這一個建議 |
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我們欣然接納我們非常謝謝委員的一個提出這樣的一個要我們這樣的一個做法我們回去就會來研議辦理好 謝謝沈記長因為我們是覺得同樣的錯誤我可以讓你犯一次犯兩次但犯到很多次我們就覺得應該就是要把它公告然後重新出來甚至送到我們大院來看對不對這樣將來我們在他的政策或是預算的一個刪減 |
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或者是監督的時候可能會更有效率好那再來下一個想要請教沈記長的問題就是說在先前我們也質詢過這個再生能源的比例一直跳票從這個20%的再生能源的一個占比然後一直下修到15%看起來今年要達到15%也達成不了可能整個再生能源的比重大概就是13% |
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那前一陣子我質詢經濟部長的時候他也說這個我們可能要去修改這個目標值的一個訂定就是不看這個發電的占比我們看裝置的容量但這個我個人是非常的存疑因為你裝置容量數也不夠而且裝置人家在乘上你的這個發電的這樣的係數所以我覺得在這一塊 |
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在審計部這一次的報告也點到另外一個再生能源的一個問題就是我們離岸的風電那在離岸風電的話你們的報告當中訂到說其實原訂的目標行政院114年裝置容量是5.7GW到113年底累計大概只有3.04那114年又來了他就把目標下修成5.04GW |
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18859.913 |
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那看起來這個呢可能代表裝置容量的一個縮水目標下修案場進度的一個落後甚至我們大概應該累計有五六家的外商是退出這樣的風電那融資等等也會有一些困難然後國產化當時的目標風電的一些比較國產化這個政策也是失靈的所以我們想要問一下審計部在這一塊 |
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18880.471 |
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就你們這樣子的報告看起來我有幾個問題就是說未來是不是對離岸風電我們來建立這個合配的這個容量簽約容量實際併網甚至有展演解約的案場融資未到位的等等這些 |
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整個我們風力發電的一個專案的各項的風險的因子然後這個呢我們應該是把它追蹤從過去到現在以及配合它接下來要再推動的這樣子的一個追蹤總體是不是可以請沈記長這個回去是不是有這樣子的一個建構的這樣子的一個檢視的計畫 |
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18925.194 |
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非常謝謝委員的一個這樣的一個主導因為離岸風電因為這個也是我們能源轉型裡面很重要的一環但是在我們去查的時候大概都有差不多達到目標的差不多差不多還沒有到六七成所以這個又遇到一些國產化的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
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又遇到一些融資保證的問題這些啊所以委員這樣的建議我們可以來做我們也先因為這個是在經濟部或者在台電我們會請經濟部能源使或者請台電他們來第一個就他們先追蹤我們審計部也會根據這個追蹤情形 |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
來一直督促讓這樣的一個離岸風電或者光電這樣的一些這個能源要轉型這個是力能非常重要的一環所以我們希望共同把它達成這樣的一個目標因為本席還是支持再生能源但是我們要務實 |
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19003.086 |
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看起來有些定的目標一直往下修我就覺得這個叫務虛其實我們民眾或是我們在野黨其實看就是說誠實嘛就是這個進度是怎麼樣就怎麼樣子那我們努力去達成但是常常我們就定的目標然後欺騙我們然後接下來又把目標下修那就乾脆就不要定了所以我是覺得審計可以從這個角度來看 |
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另外我們也發現一個問題就是說因為這裡頭都會有牽扯到國家的融資的保證所以融資的保證呢它在風力的發電從10倍提升到12倍那這個在我們的主計預算法應該就是一個會有的負債 |
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也就是說因為你這個融資國家擔保的融資但是如果這裡頭有所謂的廠商違約有一些的保證餘額被抵損失代償的風險這個揭露是不是應該在他們的預算書裡頭要去呈現出來 |
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非常謝謝委員這個應該還滿專業的啦這一個一定在融資保證這個在如果是以國家的融資保證像高鐵當時是融資保證這個就要在國家的總預算裡面揭露 |
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這個如果是國發基金出來保證或者某銀行出來保證要在他的相關的租產負債表相關的預算書表裡面做一個保證因為這個他出來融資的保證的金額也是相當的大這個對一個公司對一個基金影響非常大所以我們是希望這樣的要 |
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透明揭露因為要跟沈記長講的就是說因為我在看像這個國八基金115年的預算書因為加上我們還有ART美國這個關稅2500億美金的國家的這樣子的一個保證的機制我覺得這個在他們的預算書裡頭並沒有看到這個會有負債的這樣的編列的一個方式 |
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另外他可能有一些的東西由於他不繳庫他放到中國輸出國際銀行去做融資擔保那這個是不是也應該要在行程預算書裡頭要看得到所以可能也許沈記長可以回去研究一下將來是不是可以強制他們要做這樣的揭露 |
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這個部分因為預算師的揭露結算時候這部分我們會來處理預算的揭露有時候要給因為公開透明非常的重要對一個那個施政來講對一個基金來講非常重要所以相關的預算師表這方面的揭露如果我們也會並同來那個但是這個主要前者也在大院所以 |
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如果要那個的話也可以請國發基金做一個速當的揭露好 謝謝沈記長再來 下一個 |
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這個也就跟能源有關因為我們現在的話根據報導台電在請西屋來做整個河河山重啟的安全檢查的時候那也談到說可能我們就是因應在2028他想要這個重啟核電所以買了燃料棒的一個購置的可能性的計畫 |
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但是我就覺得很奇怪就是我們當時核四把燃料素運往美國求售沒人買從2018開始然後分解燃料棒也沒人買再變成是燃料丸這樣子 |
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19219.499 |
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那加上現在河河山重啟又要再買燃料棒這一來一往的損失我們估計啦包管拆解重組跟再運費這邊大概是差不多八十幾億我們假設七一八到八二四就是八十億左右所以這個地方來講這個到底從省計的角度來看這個是屬於正常的營運成本還是屬於我們政策錯誤產生的損失 |
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這個部分因為合宿是政治上或者是整個大家的決定它是封存的所以它的容量棒當時的價值差不多有八十幾億送到美國去儲存 |
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或者是準備賣出但是因為買的人找不到買家或者他要拆成幼顏料這個部分大概放在美國也有多年儲存的經費也花掉了將近4億多所以這個是整個當然 |
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政策的問題也有但是管理的問題也有這一個都要好好的台電要好好的對這個部分做一個一個改善因為現在河山要買那合適的燃料在那裡也要給社會大眾了解你的燃料棒送到美國 |
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但是你又要去買燃料棒是不是那個機型的問題或者是整個機組的問題我想沈記長回去可以就是說我們把這整個過程當中因為這樣子所產生出來的支出甚至我們在重構這個合二合三重啟所需要的燃料棒這整個支出在將來我們決算的時候可能一筆一筆抓出來甚至做一個會診的報告好不好 |
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我覺得這個是很重要的好 下一個這個無人機我看一下這個整個審計部的決算的裡頭 |
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這也是一個問題我在看今年115年的預算在搭配你們這些的這樣子的一個審計的報告的預算就是我們好像過去從這個地方開始就已經投入很多很多的錢但是這很多的錢從110年到113年各部會的無人機的相關預算是高達228億 |
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那這裡頭當然有政府的費用供應鏈有說要做關鍵技術的國產的這個替代但是也從你們審計部的報告裡頭看起來就是整個散落在各個部會然後要關鍵技術沒關鍵技術要園區開發要測試場不是進度落後就是延盪 |
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然後不然就是計劃也沒達到KPI所以從這個角度到了115年我又再去看他們整個各部會的預算其實這個無人機高達至少我看到抓得到的就67億以上所以有沒有可能審計部針對這個東西去做出跨部會的整個專案的總體的審計 |
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也就是說包含各部位的預算補助對象成果的KPI國產化的比例以及我們關鍵模組化自主率等等因為我們常常講說那個關鍵技術的晶片要做出來可是就還沒做出來然後我們又會發一堆錢去花了採購無人機然後又說它是國產化整個政策就很矛盾然後我們就不曉得這些錢開一道理這個是不是有可能做一個跨部會的整體的審計 |
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好 謝謝委員 因為無人機從歐洲戰爭裡面看出來它不對稱作戰裡面相當重要這是整個世界歧視對關係到國家的安全韌性和產業發展所以其實我們省紀部106年就開始製作這個項目就剛剛委員講的這個已經投入了 |
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200多億現在國防部屬於這種金屬方面的無人機啊得的經費相當的龐大因為這個啊對未來會產生我同意委員的意思啊來做一個無人機的專案調查我們會把各部會的所有的情形啊包括國防部包括經濟部經濟部是產業國防部是大概是會大宗使用 |
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或者是會那個標準形態各方面我們會加以來調查給行政部最後因為有一點點時間這是也是一個老問題智慧農業已經做了10年我看審計部的報告年年都有他我也常關心他很久所以這個智慧農業一點成效可能都不是很顯著我想後續再請審計持續追蹤好不好這一個部分我們趙委員的意思我們會出現 |
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好 謝謝洪育祥委員的詢問 謝謝沈議長的說明我們在議場二樓旁邊又來了一批台北護理健康大學的同學們我們掌聲歡迎各位同學接下來我們要請鍾嘉斌委員詢問賴世保委員請準備 |
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好 主席在場的委員先進列席任務機關市長 官員會長 共同夥伴媒體記者 女士先生有請陳審議長麻煩再請陳審議長說明 |
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19594.148 |
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委員好陳議長好每次來一開始我都要跟您確認一下會計跟政府審計是不一樣的對不對對好所以我特別你們報告每次到一開始講你們審計政府審計分成三個部分財務審計遵循審計跟績效審計所以這次特別來跟您請教一下有關於績效審計的內容好不好是的我們來看一下不管是柯市長蔣市長在台北市長任內面屬預算持續加碼請問這代表 |
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兩位市長很重視還是問題很嚴重 |
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這個煎熬油脂啦因為預算會加當然那個...所以是很重視但是也表示問題還沒解決那麼鼠害的房子要怎麼樣去審定它的成效呢我們看一下就是說目前台北市啊它大量買而且比預定要投放滅鼠藥那請問剛剛說預算規模就你們審計來看你們是看規模成長就算數還是要看預算的執行率 |
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19641.969 |
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兩個都要看執行率也要那我請教一下執行率怎麼算是買了老鼠藥放在倉庫裡就算有執行還是買了老鼠藥要投放出去才算執行那個要看成效 |
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19642.549 |
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19670.032 |
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要靠效益你很厲害喔你也不是說放在倉庫就算不是買了就算也不是投了就算要看成效是不是這樣子很好這讓我想到我小時候曾經大人跟我說我小時候有一個很可笑的事情小時候感冒帶去給醫生看那個護士阿姨很好她就包了三天的藥她說弟弟三天藥吃完感冒就會好喔你猜看我怎麼做 |
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19671.141 |
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19689.424 |
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我回到家裡一口氣三天的藥通通吞下去結果感冒還沒有好送醫院去洗腸洗胃所以不是老鼠藥全部投放了就算完成不是三天的藥吃完了感冒就會好要看成效那請問這個成效怎麼判斷我往下看 |
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19691.021 |
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19710.287 |
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那個環境部長出來說明啊因為台北市長說什麼要看中央啊中央的用的藥啊結果呢部長說不是啦中央藥是我中央核定的但要放哪裡呢講清楚啊您覺得放哪裡重不重要都重要都重要如果放錯地方可能毛小孩知道了有可能呢發生像我們屏東那種情況 |
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19737.592 |
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農民為了要顧紅豆用了劇毒的農藥結果呢老鼠吃了農藥翹辮子了老鷹吃了老鼠翹辮子了會不會有這個情況會有這個情況好那請問那到底你們要怎麼樣來審計到底這個房子數換不是預算花完了不是藥買了投放出去了就算要看成效怎麼看你們會要求台北市政府提供成效給你們嗎 |
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這個部分因為最近才發生我們的台北市審計處已經進行開始了解那我要他要了解的一個重點就是為什麼會發生這種原因要把原因找出來好 既然講到原因了那我們來跟你談一下有一個叫做倖存者偏誤 |
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19761.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
19781.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
最近很流行他的信任者評論這個理論怎麼說呢就二戰期間啊美國的航空母艦啊他們就開始去研究那些能夠反航的戰鬥機啊他們就看哇飛機上都是彈孔啊那他們找工程師來這個飛機上彈孔位的地方喔像機翼啦或是尾舵啦把它補強你覺得有沒有效 |
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19783.134 |
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19792.479 |
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我有聽到這個故事結果是怎樣就是說如果這樣是沒有效的為什麼因為你看到有彈孔的飛機是安全的飛回來 |
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19793.686 |
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19820.001 |
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那些打在發動機的 打在駕駛艙的飛機早就掉下去了啦所以你應該補強的是哪裡?是發動機 是駕駛艙嘛 是不是這樣?對所以我們問一下 目前台北市好像有一個安滅鼠 偏武啊他說啊 市民看到老鼠我們把市民看到老鼠 消滅掉就好了所以都在看到老鼠的地方投藥像我那天在台北車站等公車啊就看到台北車站旁邊的花蟲呢就跑出一隻好大的老鼠那是不是要在台北車站投藥呢? |
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19821.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
19848.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
所以我要我們北市審計處要去注意花生的原因花生的原因要把它找出來找出來才能夠徹底來把這個事情大家把它再來去追蹤它的防疫的情形我們來個經驗參考我來自南部我也過去在地方政府擔任過副首長我們南部在北回歸線以南經常要面對一個問題 |
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19849.97 |
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19876.997 |
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就是登革勒那登革勒是怎麼傳染的閉眉紋嘛對不對閉眉紋就是我們房子的重點所以我們叫布氏指數啊這個布氏指數呢就是什麼就是我們會經常性的在這個夏天雨季來的時候呢我們去調查一百戶的住宅當中有陽性滋生源的就是蚊幼蟲我們去看他的積水容器裡面有多少的絕絕這就是布氏指數 |
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19878.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
19903.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
當布施指數到達三級就開始警戒四級就很嚴重五級就會大爆發登革熱呢是靠病媒紋病媒紋越多那可能傳染的途徑就越廣對不對那怎麼樣防治病媒紋滋生第一是什麼環境衛生嘛但是第二也會受到什麼受到氣候的影響所以人家說你有沒有聽到人家沒有在說一句話三年一顆好壞教輪你覺得什麼三年一顆 |
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19905.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
19932.724 |
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三年一過是什麼?三年一過就是娘媽祖啦我們大廟留下啦,不每年做出損的啦三年這樣娘一屆那東港的王爺祭呢也是一樣東港有燒王船,你知道燒王船是燒什麼嗎?把溫神送走那為什麼我們東港的溫王的這個王爺祭燒王船是三年燒一次因為這跟當時的自然環境每三年 |
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19933.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
19958.383 |
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就會產生一個病媒紋的大爆發所以就有流行疫病所以當年的人的科學知識不普及人家說 哎呀 三年會輪一天啊所以三年就在西和翁村啊把這個瘟神請出去啊是這樣的所以呢 氣候變遷有時候我們控制好環境清潔也很難阻止病媒紋的大量的爆發所以呢 這兩個要雙管齊下 是不是這樣子好 那請問一下 那請問 |
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鼠害是跟環境有關還是跟氣候有關一般是比較和環境有關跟環境有關嘛所以比起登革熱的背棉花它比較起來控制好環境的清潔衛生減少我們的廚餘這些食物流落給老鼠吃就可以防治了嘛有沒有說天氣好壞老鼠會特別繁殖 |
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還是你認為要發給老鼠避孕藥這個部分沒有聽說我還以為說不要給牠發吃老鼠藥 吃了會死死了長大了也不知道 給牠吃避孕藥牠不會生就好了這樣生物防治手有沒有聽過來我們來看一看另外有哪些蟲害是我們要防治的 我再舉個例子我們在屏東有一個叫做濾裂溪 有沒有聽過有 我們查過北部有沒有濾裂溪比較少 |
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不是少 很少 為什麼因為綠裂溪是冷血動物台北像這種冷的天氣它活不了一樣在北回歸線以南就有很多綠裂溪藏在下水道藏在水溝裡那綠裂溪的移除有人說移除成效不彰所以分三管齊下第一 權責不明我們要組成專業的獵人去打第二個 經貨不足我們就擴增預算對不對然後還要怎麼樣 獎勵金這樣三管齊下你覺得成效會不會出來 |
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其實不完全啦 為什麼因為還是發現說獄上也編了獵人也組團了出去打 奇怪咧移除的綠蕾蜥趕不上它繁殖的速度你知道原因在哪裡嗎 |
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因為獵人去打小隻的比較多啦小隻的比較笨比較好打大隻的比較靈活都會躲起來反正一樣的錢嘛大隻的可能比如說你看我們在這裡喔原來的規則是小隻的50大隻的200結果呢獵人幹嘛如果大兩隻小隻的就抵一隻大隻的啊而且大隻的流程會繼續升啊我有小隻的可以繼續打啊是不是這樣子所以要怎麼樣對症下藥我們就調整了 |
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大支的調到怎樣 500元小支的哇 就少很多所以大支的有繁殖能力的就被獵捕移除了有繁殖能力的移除了 會不會還有小支的了解喔所以同樣的不管是綠列西的房子不管是登革樂的房子都要怎麼樣 要建立指標 要講究方法請問你們對於台北市屬害的房子的指標定出來沒有 |
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目前他們在我們留了解趕快去建立啦我們要請專家來建立啦好 接下來怎麼樣來看績效來我們看一下下一題 |
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我們行政院長有史以來好久好幾年沒有行政院長可以踏上台北市的日本的東京對不對這算是一個外交上的突破我們的總統能夠順利的出訪史瓦帝尼這也是一個外交上的成果是不是這樣好那請問從預算執行的目標來講卓院長畫的不是公帑啊這個預算執行機要算誰的算行政院的還是算卓院長的他沒有畫公帑啊你們怎麼審計 |
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這個部分啦 我們就因為他是出來行政院他自己的錢不審計 那我們問一下這次總統回來了 還是搭我們史瓦帝尼國王的專機好 如果我們沒有付錢 是人家國王說我請你來做客人 我就把你送回去這一筆錢 如果是外交部算的 算外交部的績效如果是史瓦帝尼買單 是不是算史瓦帝尼的績效 |
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這個應該算我們外交部的績效不管是哪一個不管有沒有花錢都算外交部的績效很好所以有績效也要看他不見得花我們的預算好我們往下看來去出訪帛琉喊卡啦本來外交部要審國防預算的結果他們還去帛琉考察結果又收到表決又拉回來了一個人浪費20萬元 |
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請問你們在審計外交部這個錢是編在外交部啊這個績效是算外交部的還是算在立法委員頭上的是要算在我們韓院長頭上還是算在林佳龍部長的頭上這個看 |
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我要外交部的錢喔 沒有序程喔 浪費掉了喔怎麼辦 怎麼審計外交部這邊我們了解啊 因為我們也有做一個了解他大概啊 還沒有 他的外管還沒有把這個定金沒有了捏 機票的定金沒了捏 怎麼辦這個績效呢 好好的跟我們韓院長報告一下是算立法院的績效不彰 還是算外交部的績效浪費好 往下看 來 |
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我們現在看到稅基證明如果發來做建設可能會拿來發現金可能要舉債去年說要120%現在今年又提案了115%就要發現金了我們很擔心普發現金把它常態化到底是好還是不好往往下看來中油如果因為吸收油價的成本波瀾戰爭因此而中東的風雲它因此就虧損了那是它維持物價不要上漲 |
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還是說這筆要補助中共的錢拿來普化現金有國民黨立委說要補助石油津貼你覺得哪一個比較有效這個中油幫忙吸收啦這個應該他因為中油就預算的資金之下你覺得哪一個比較有效 |
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從那油價不要漲才不會萬物齊漲還是說油價漲沒關係萬物齊漲沒關係我補助每個人一萬塊反正物價漲了你拿這萬塊去補差價就好了你覺得哪個有效物價因為的牽動是前面性的啦所以我們因為所有的效益啊它的產生的影響啊可能比較大所以聽起來你請教說這個預算應該花在 |
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讓物價不要漲 讓油價去補貼 而不是每個人拿一萬塊有人拿一萬塊他也不加油啦 往下看齁 好那同樣的道理 過去曾經莫拉克風災發生在屏東欸 結果呢 我們就開始怎樣有淹到的跟沒淹到的 有淹到的有淹水的救助 還有怎麼樣 做防水閘門 |
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結果防水閘門做一戶至少十萬塊起跳結果你覺得我們遇到這種淹水的情況台北的納粒風災也發生過做防水閘門你認為應該是每戶都做防水閘門還是廣設制洪池把堤防加固哪一個比較重要 |
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廣闢住房署加固提網因為這個方法這個是還全面性的解決是全面性的創造出來的防水的一個績效是公共財做防水閘門有限好我們在看可是說個人也不見得完全不是啊我們學齡前的兒童我們用圖佛的方式預防他的取恥如果是長輩的話我們讓他做全口假牙讓他可以取決保障他的健康對健保來講都是有正面績效的所以 |
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公務預算不見得不能發在個人身上要看它是什麼項目對不對那如果說是要改善水質提升我們的生活品質你覺得是加護補助濾水器還是我們更換水管哪個比較有效更換水管是啊所以我們來看一下最後所以我們要談稅基剩餘來撥補社會保險有健保的缺口有勞保的潛藏負債有國民電力的潛藏負債有農保的潛藏負債你認為如果我們有稅基剩餘是不是優先來對這些社會保險進行它必要的一個補充 |
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這個保險本來是有一種調價的問題我比較偏向慢慢把財政永續建構起來財政永續有陳時中政委下議案他說 |
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補充保費啊 之前含補充保費 石川部長被罵我們如果說把起徵的不要兩萬塊 二十萬再來補充保費 為什麼因為目前股票大漲啊 但是不是每個人有台積電啊所以資本利得作為補充保費的主要依據 你支不支持對資本利得 我們用補充保費的方式 但是把門檻提高讓健保可以從資本利得比較多的人身上 來支持我們的健保 |
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這個補充保費對整個健保幫助很大所以這一個方法是可以考慮的好 謝謝最後這一點你看一下就是農安基金 |
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好 謝謝陳審議長的說明 謝謝接下來賴思寶委員質詢之後吳啟明委員登記第四號改為書面質詢所以賴思寶委員質詢之後請謝依鳳委員詢問我們接下來請賴思寶委員請詢問謝謝院長以及各位先進有請我們的陳審議長麻煩再請陳審議長說明 |
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委員好我請教沈記長陳時中政務委員他的對外發言是不是代表政府的政策 |
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他沒有講個人的話大概有時候是他自己的想法他沒有考慮他是一個政務委員因為我不瞭解他當時的發言政務委員當然是政府的官員就算沈繼昌 你24小時沈繼昌吧你只要論內都是沈繼昌你那時候講話有關於政策就代表沈繼昌的政策 |
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陳時中就提到了說他居然提出來要把證交稅 最近強強困難股市創新高等等當然實際上賺到錢的也是寥寥可數你如果沒有買到AI概念股機會就不大了這個來講我們按照證交稅原來預估今年可以收2500億可是過去的成交量試試看 |
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就大概是4000例左右現在成交量大概一兆所以如果這樣推估啊我們就可以整個來講的話我們的等於增加稅會可以到7500億增加5000例左右增加的數目不可謂不多啦有人在預估哦成交量可能會破兩兆 |
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所以這個時候陳政務委員就動到這個腦筋說能不能增加稅有一塊挖過來給我們的健保費那馬上就有學者搭臉了他說這個抵觸財政紀律法第七條財政紀律法第七條是立法機關或者政府機關不得增訂固定經費的額度或比例的保障變成有這一條的東西沈機長你怎麼看以他 |
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這樣講吧你怎麼看證交稅現在是我們的統收統支的稅這一個我是希望維持證交稅還是統收統支剛剛中委員問我的那是補充保惠的另外一塊那是手的這一個我比較偏向統收統支因為這是維持財政紀律所以簡單來講就是你站在財政部的立場對不對所有的稅進到財政部裡面 |
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財政部整個統籌去運用對 這個是一個很重要的現在來講是一個很重要的稅那是不是你贊成學者講的如果真的要幫助健保應該從其他地方啊比如說煙間啊 煙稅啊 |
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等等的從那邊就是什麼健康捐用那個地方特殊用途的就給他這個也見不懂而不是從這個地方證交稅是所有財政部一個很重要的稅他是要支持國家的各方面建設應該是統收統支 |
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所以我就可以做這樣的小小的結論陳審計長反對陳政務委員的提案最近我們就發現到好幾個公共建設 政府的公共建設飆不出去為什麼土方之亂 你知道土方哪 |
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知道我們查過處理費飆10倍對飆10倍土包的成本從2300萬飆到3000萬暴漲到8000萬到1億元漲了3倍之多有的到10倍找不到要飆的廠商 |
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我們看全國剩餘的土方總量2025年是3800萬方直接進階利用大概八成內政部說這裡有兩成的土方成為黑數我就請問你針對這個問題因為我有選民上的服務要處理台電在我的選區我的選區是老邱社區很多電線桿要8電線桿 |
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那個工程都停擺為什麼土方啊土方啊沒人跟他標啦介紹在這請問審計部這部分來講怎麼把他們我向委員報告我們三四年前就已經向內政部預警中南部的土方已經不足北中的這一部分 |
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可能也有不足所以我們當時就請當時的營建署現在的國土署要去注意這個問題所以叫他說所有的要趕快把這個土豬場就是放這個廢棄圖啦各方面的這個把它建構好 |
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所以我們今年還會做聯合審計地方和中央一起聯合來查這樣的事情審計部有沒有某些地方放寬所以讓他們可以追加這個預算審計部不會找麻煩 |
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這個要處理這些工程的問題依照工程造價依照工程成本加上合理做這個給廠商這個是我們的採購基本原則 |
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我就請教你省紀部有沒有可能針對土方已經影響到國家的建設針對土方省紀部是不是 |
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開一條路出來說有關於土方的部分他的那個調整不要只隨著物價因為現在現行辦法他只有隨著物價可以調整委員都建議 特別可以委員建議很好我們回去會找營建署會找工程會把這個問題告訴他們讓他們好好的思考因為這個是行政部門要處理的事情但是我們損失 |
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根據委員我們會審計花線以後啊會給他一個意見因為他們怕你們他如果去給他提高的話審計部審計處會挑剔啊會修理啊我們會根據這個現在的情形啊會把這個審計花線啊結果什麼時候可以針對土方之亂一個月一個月好一個月好那我們再看人員政策 |
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風光發電 風電 光電 發電 這樣是弊端一堆啦這個風電有的廠拿到了這個標 去融資 拿訂單去融資 融資之後然後他還賣掉等等的 買空買空很多這幾年支出成長19.4倍就是從蔡英文總統上台之後 |
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但是他說要佔全國發電比20%目前只有13%沒有達到原來民進黨政府的20%結果現在知道了賴總統知道這個很麻煩 |
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台積電我們的復國神山他幾年幾年內被要求降載幾百次啊這個很嚴重的事情啊就是電壓電沒夠給你降壓本來應該是100%變90%變80%啊當然都會損害到一些進度啦所以現在就是西屋啊原來的河電河山廠西屋提早來這裡 |
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幫我們做安檢這個當然好事但是傳出來了說要去買燃料棒我們在想到說奇怪前一陣子我們才把燃料棒處理賣到美國去沒人要買我們合適的燃料棒買的錢是多少是81億 |
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結果處理差不多7億所以大概等於花90億的冤枉錢就這樣 咱倆辦就處理掉了啊現在付一個美國幣 請問他還沒有編預算 |
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目前應該是還沒有編預算是在印量當中這個國家這個錢一定要編預算因為這是這個燃料棒來當時是合適是81億這限制來的價錢應該都相當的高所以這個應該預算上應該要照預算程序來做是2000很久以前1900多年之前的就沒有19 |
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幾年的 2020之前的啦以現在的物價來講 我想大概最少100億啊最少100億 要不要100億所以這個一定要好好 要變預算 要這個排電啦要把他這個預算啦 可以再預算數到時候他先斬後奏 並決算處理 可以嗎 |
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這一個我們是希望公開透明能夠盡量讓他能夠行往該怎麼應該編預算來做盡量編預算來做可是這會有問題喔如果你照這樣講的話預算今年的預算要差不多省到我看省到七月料要去處理 |
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現在116還在籌編啦因為國營事業也有補辦預算的制度今年的預算是沒有這一條的沒有這條還一半也沒有沒有但是116的話它正在編因為這個整個河山要重啟還要一兩年 |
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可是他現在已經準備要買南寮棒了那個當然你要承取要經過核安會的同意他還有一段程序要走所以在開店的時候要未以求謀要先整個好好的最好是事前就把預算編過來能夠再要重啟以前我就跟你講確定 |
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115年是沒有編這幾年沒有喔沒有喔那等下116才能夠買喔那最快等117啊20283能夠重啟啦116還在編喔116還在編嘛8月份才送來啊8月份才送來所以如果現在已經差不多了喔差不多明年的2月才能夠通過啊差不多這樣子啊 |
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所以你不認為今年度他就會用到這筆預算去買 |
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因為我 據我的了解啊他重啟還要一兩年 核三是最快的好 所以看起來你也是跟這個經濟部的看法不一樣來 最後一個我們要問一個很重要的問題我們現在這個大陸 因為大陸兩岸關係緊張大陸不給他來 大陸生不給他來那就找新南向結果就有人發現到 特別是私立的科大 |
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結果因為沒有學生 沒有聲援境外生占新生註冊比例100%114年 去年的時候境外生17萬 越南5.3萬 占了差不多4成這一部分 恐怕會陷入301條款美國要現在OUT |
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被美國的最高法院判違法之後他們啟動了一個不公平貿易那裡面像捷安特他的東西海關被扣就是因為這個就是你用類似通工啦你用這個叫做或者是這個也不正常的這個勞動條件這一部分神蹟上你態度怎麼樣這個我們 |
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也有查過也有提出審計意見我們是希望他是學生應該就是學生的在學生的領域裡面去做不能用這種假的一個方式造成一些欺騙的行為所以這個我們是會也會繼續追蹤我跟你講這個很嚴重而且我所了解的 |
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幾乎私立學校都在做這種事喔都在做這種事喔就假留學 就是假入學 真打工有些學校有這種發現比較廉價的工資 然後這個勞動條件一方面我告訴你謝謝委員 還是注意這個問題我們會加強查核你什麼時候查核的一個結果可以出來 |
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這個我們會三個月可以嗎三個月可以三個月把它查一下每一個學家查清楚先南下來的學生把它查一下我們了解一下整個我們對這方面做一個通盤的其實你認不認同釜底抽薪開放陸生來不是更好同文同種 |
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生活條件也好 家庭條件也好 那就去找這些來變大公這個是另外兩個領域啦我知道啦 以你的角度 你是不是贊成 乾脆陸生來再接一點這一個政府 他有政府上啊 他們有一個了解 |
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我對這個沒有研究 因為我沒有做相當的審計我們要根據我們的發言盡量依照審計發現來說好啦 最後提醒你那個光電弊案再追一下我們都有在追這個光電好 謝謝賴世保委員的詢問謝謝陳審議長的說明我們又歡迎一批來自 |
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台中東海大學政治系的同學我們掌聲歡迎各位同學來立法院未來國家的主人翁好我們接下來吳啟明委員的書面提出請審計部書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報再接下來我們請謝依鳳委員請詢問伍麗華委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝院長 我想要請沈記長再請陳審議長 |
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政務委員好沈議長午安我想請教一下今年就是115年度的我們的中央政府總預算目前已經付為了過去在97年的時候也有96年度的中央政府總預算在6月15號才審議完畢那 |
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請問今年如果也像96年度一樣就是6月15號才審議完畢那我相信行政機關各機關都會擔心能不能在年底前諮詢預算完畢那 |
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這個有潛力嘛那會不會造成說這半年到12月底沒有辦法執行完畢而且過去沒有執行完畢有沒有保留預算的先例 |
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謝謝委員 確實115年度的預算到現在因為美國委員會答應的國會委員都加緊在審查我們也希望能夠在6月以前 |
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能夠審查完畢這樣的話不會說以後有這樣的例子一直往後延那如果因為沒有審查完畢依照預算法第59條的規定新興的資本支出還有這個 |
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這新興資本不出你就不能支不能支就是有不能執行的問題這個組織總署統計出來新興資本支出有700多億當然副委的那一天立法院也順便或者行政院也順便同意他們來執行這個部分如果 |
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族型上落後的話因為損益的關係落後的話我們有一個保留住住 預算法72條有保留住住他發生前財務的關係這是正常的他可以保留第二個 |
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行政院的例子像這種因為預算審查單鉤了他有一些政策上的決定可以計畫保留所以這些都有例子但是我們是希望如果像這些可以依照因為54條可以說按上年度一般的經常就是按上年度執行的我們也希望他趕快大家按照這個進度來執行因為 |
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這個是對我們的整個經濟發展會有影響所以按照上年度可以執行的部分就是行政機關就可以馬上執已經可以執行了對不對那未審議的部分未來也是可以按照就是說預算保留的方式他們可以繼續的就是說繼續的使用嘛對不對只要通過以後 |
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行政院就可以使用因為他有兩個問題第一個他如果他能夠通過這半年他能夠去簽訂合約發生債錢債務這個當然依法就可以保留如果沒有來不及因為預算審議的期程落後因為預算審議期程的關係這一個行政院也可以做計畫保留有這樣的例子 |
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所以也不會因為說立法院沒有審議完畢或者是沒有在去年審議完畢今年度就沒有辦法執行的這樣子的問題他會往後遞言所以也可以往後遞言也可以辦理預算保留的方式 |
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如果沒有發包的也可以申請要計畫保留因為預算通過住期的關係這可以計畫保留但是這個要行政部門的前者由行政部門來決定 |
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好那我再請教一下就是關於我們的關鍵人才的這樣子的一個培育計畫我們看到了就是我們的政府跟由國發會跟教育部跟勞動部他們進行了產官學的合作 |
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來推動這樣子的一個關鍵人才的一個培育計畫那我想要請問現在有一些實際上你知道什麼叫NIT族嗎NIT族Not training, not education對 NIT族對不對然後 |
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我們可以知道這個尼特族在洛杉磯學院的這個排名裡面統計裡面那台灣長期以來都略居於非常後面落後的名次那2024年就是43名那代表了 |
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我們還有另外一個指數就是我們的高學歷的畢業生的失業率也低於平均的失業率那這個部分是不是能夠對於我們教育部以及勞動部所推動的產學合作進行檢討因為 |
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高等于高学历的学生他们并没有在这个就业市场上面得到相对的优势反而因为高学历他没有能够马上的立即就业而过去以来劳动部跟教育部共同进行产学合作非常多的例子 |
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那是不是代表了這樣子的一個產學合作沒有達到效果呢沒有協助我們的畢業生能夠及時的進入就業市場進入我們的勞動市場來然後來為我們國家的一個競爭力能夠盡一份心力呢是不是 |
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謝委員關心我們的關鍵人才這個對人才是台灣的資產非常的重要謝謝謝委員的關心我們來查核的時候也發現這一個問題就是說高協力的這個部分蘇威力就像謝委員所講的就是他蘇威力目前 |
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我們到這個3月我們看它的失業率是4.1%較一般的 較平均的3.6%就是和委員所講的一樣它是比較高的 有這樣的一個現象再來 剛剛謝委員也談到這個尼特子這一個部分我們發現有畢業5年了 還有15% |
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找不到工作沒有做工作就準備啊就這樣沒有投入這個戰場我們是一個少組化很嚴重的國家這個人才的應用啊非常的重要所以啊這個部分啊國科會教育部國科會啊這個我們啊有給他希望啊能夠 |
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在這方面能夠在整個通盤檢討一下這個人才的問題所以這個部分教育部或者國發會都有一個給我們一個善意的回顧 |
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好 那沈局長我再請教一下我們現在的暨職學生有非常人數非常多的減少而且顯著的高於一般的大學我們170年度的這個暨職的學生叫112年度的暨職學生減少20%左右是21萬人那 |
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護理系的學生是107年度112年度比107年度也減少了8.2%那代表了我們的技職教育以及我們第一線護理人才的人才荒 |
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即便現在要減低就是說我們的考試的難易度或是什麼可能都緩不及急有可能在源頭的部分就已經沒有辦法招到足額的學生再來就是第一 |
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就是護理系的學生他們的考照率從107年的51.56%他下降到112年的45.54%那也是非常高的這樣子的一個比率那未來怎麼樣子來 |
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就是說增加我們護理的人才以及我們技職的人才能夠讓第一線的人才都就是說基層的人才都能夠再有好的那個提升 |
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謝謝謝委員技足的人才其實在我們的科技方面除了科技以外高科技的這些人才以外一般的他也會連動帶動一些技足的人才 |
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所以他是因為剛剛如同委員所講的因為現在我們去查核的發現這一方面都在降所以我們也有請教一部分去注意看看如何把這技術的人才能夠讓一些人能夠直接進入到這個整個科技的領域或者進到廚廠 |
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剛剛委員有提到護理系這一個部分護理人員的這一部分非常的嚴重所以有時候要能夠尤其考試院考的時候剛剛委員有提入期率也非常的低他其實已經經過了多年的護理訓練 |
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所以這些護理師的考用希望能夠他經過他有專長的訓練以後是讓他能夠進入他喜歡的專長的靈異市場所以這個考試的部分應該要有一個適合的考法讓真正這些護理系的學生能夠真正從事他喜歡的工作 |
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這樣我們的護理準例才不會有一種不夠的現象因為現在護理不夠的現象非常夠大醫院都有這樣的問題但是我想要請問的是就是我們現在護理師的考照率已經從107年的51.56又下降了代表了很多去就讀護理系的同學他們 |
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也不會去考護理師那是不是應該從整體的環境或者是工作的環境來做一個檢討那才會增加護理人員的考照率呢 |
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就是就讀護理系的謝謝委員 這個是整個醫院裡面我們也會了解除了醫生以外其實護士的工作也相當的繁重或者是他的班時也非常的所以工作的領域 工作的待遇這些 |
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都要替護理師他們好好的來思考這個有時候從相關的醫院或者是相關的行政部門人事總署包括教育部這是要多方的多單位的配合來促成流用護理人才 |
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好 我再問一個問題就是未來大專的院校會面臨到五年內有2.2成的教師兩成二的教師要面臨要退休那請問過去我們花了重資在玉山學者方案裡面 |
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那玉山學者方案有超過六成都是短期的交流那未來如果我們有二成二的這樣子的一個教師要退休了那過去我們花重資的玉山學者的方案 |
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沒有辦法達到流財的這樣子一個比例的話那是不是也沒辦法協助未來我們要在大專業校有這麼多的教師要退休的時候能夠有進一步的協助那未來要怎麼樣子進一步的能夠讓這些學者或者是增加更多的我們的大學教師呢 |
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這一個部分因為我們這個本來這也是關鍵人才領域裡面非常重要的就一山寫者這個部分我們是希望能夠引進國外一些著名的寫者或者是我們國內或者一些能夠來但是都是短期長期他們沒有留住 |
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教師的高齡化專任教師的高齡化會造成這些未來整個教師的缺少所以這個部分我們已經做一些查核請教育部好好的重視因為有時候他的那個 |
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好 接下來我們請武力華為去詢問 |
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謝謝院長主席有請沈記長再請沈記長沈記長您好我今天的質詢的標題叫做施政效能靠審計好的政策要延續可不可以請沈記長用簡單的一句話來說明一下審計工作是什麼審計工作在促進政府良善助理 |
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謝謝那我在這邊作為一個原住民的立法委員我也希望說審計工作能夠幫助我們族人的生命生活生產 |
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申紀來把關 好不好好 很好 |
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他大概編列了45億那花蓮馬太安呢是4億多那主要我在大院總質詢的時候我有特別的跟行政院長提到我們非常需要做好部落的排水系統邊坡還有聯絡道路橋樑 |
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因為這一些對部落的生活來講都非常的重要那當時呢原民會的主委他也有說災後復建呢不是要把修回原狀而已而是要修得比災前更安全提高部落的韌性那當然很好但是我們都知道像現在五月汛期又要來了每一年就是汛期我們就很頭痛因為有可能政府雜入的災後復建工作 |
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可能去年已經做好了今年重複治災也有可能做到一半了今年又全部沒有了所以這樣一直重複的一個部分就是會讓我們覺得很困擾但是我們也知道有時候地方等核定然後發包也不順利 |
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那這樣子對於整個執行要能夠如期如質其實是很不容易所以我想這個部分是不是審計部這邊就是適時的有辦理就地查核然後提出審計意見我不太曉得說那個審計長您的意見如何您看到的是什麼這一個因為是 |
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這些剛剛如同委員所講的一些颱風來臨各方面對於鹽鄉部落都是一種考驗都是一種考驗著我們鹽鄉部落所以發生了一些災情所以我們損失非常的重要非常重視這個他的復健整個 |
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所以這個預算一通過我就到114年底我就會注意到他的族行曆還滿落後的我們就給他通知 你要趕快做所以現在我們到目前在盯他的時候他的族行曆有上來了 已經到了80% |
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那謝謝沈記長所以我們還會繼續訂對 就是加強的實地就地的查核其實是非常有助於這樣的一個如期如質的完成 是不是是 這個我們會幫我們會來協助原鄉部落謝謝沈記長那另外 |
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就是之前的前瞻特別預算其實大家都好懷念因為陸陸續續要申請什麼都會聽到部會說前瞻計畫沒有了但是確實有很多是人民有感的一些好的政策那例如什麼呢像最近我們很多的地方縣市政府就在叫因為前瞻特別預算園民會有去做一個所謂的部落的iTRAP WIFI |
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所以大家都很開心但是突然之間沒了大家就開始叫了像我覺得像這種雖然前瞻計畫沒有了如果他是一個有感的好的政策是不是有辦法去要求 |
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中長期的計畫繼續的來延伸又舉個例子像是前瞻特別預算的時候有一個公共服務據點就是對於公有危險建物的一個補強像地方的辦公廳社村裡活動中心耐震評估等等因為你要知道我們原鄉非常需要那全國的村裡大概有7749個還有那些所謂的鄉鎮公所 |
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其實我相信這幾年的前瞻特別預算可能處理都還不到10%還有很多人在排隊結果就說經費沒有了那我不曉得沈記長您對於這種人民有感的像是生生有平板現在連我們偏鄉的學生每一生都有平板 |
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那個是你們也了解雖然有了這個科具的硬體工具可是呢他缺乏文化教材軟體像是這些缺乏什麼呢措施科技強化主語學習跟文化民主教育學習 |
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所以這個部分硬體載具已經到位但是有沒有可能再去要求原民會教育部提撥一定的數位精進的經費去開發這一些所謂的數位的本土教材我想這個部分好的政策要延續好的政策要有配套沈記長您覺得呢 |
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我非常同意委員的意見好的政策不應該因為沒有錢而停止應該再怎麼樣因為他是好的政策人民有感的政策他表示他的效益很大 |
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這個消費很大的政策尤其在偏鄉尤其這些市會對偏鄉來講可以接觸到外面都會區的一個情況可以平淺 |
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所以這些我是希望政府部門好的政策要繼續推不要因為預算中斷非常謝謝我相信審計部的意見審計長的意見應該對部會來講會有很大很大的一個提醒那就拜託審計長那其實除了這些所謂的特別預算特別條例 |
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我覺得有很多跟我們生命生活生產生計有關的都在我們的一般公務預算當中那我們也很辛苦像原鄉其實最頭痛的就是供水改善的問題像水利署不論是減水或自來水那為什麼因為我們長期都缺乏技術人才 |
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也沒有圍管經費所以呢很容易斷水斷炊那又例如我們原鄉最重視的就是我們的農路跟我們的聯絡道路但是呢偏遠地區發包很困難而且呢工程耐災的程度往往不足這一些對我們來講其實都非常的頭痛那又或者是說像 |
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我們原住民有50%已經移居到渡會區50%還留在原鄉那我們都知道我們需要在地的安老 |
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原鄉做長照文化健康這樣做得很好但是缺乏一個東西就是住宿型的這樣的一個長照機構可是我們如果衛福部的政策是覺得說哎呀現在長照機構太多了空床率太高了所以不需要再蓋了那可不一樣原鄉需要因為我們要在地安老那都會區我們也需要如果說像都會區的這些住宿長照機構 |
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我們可以予以原住民床位的補助這一些老人家就不會被放在家裡任意的棄置為什麼我要講那麼難聽的話因為即便是要付三萬塊兩萬塊甚至一萬塊我跟沈記長講其實對很多的家庭來講他們沒有能力 |
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所以我們的老人就沒有辦法受到很好的照顧所以呢我們很希望說這種住宿型的長照機構我們需要文化敏感度文化安全在地安老我們原鄉也需要蓋這個跟外面都會去空床率高跟我們無關那都會去的這些原住民他住不起他不敢去我們希望政府能夠補助在都會去的這些住宿型機構能夠給予原住民床位的補助 |
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剛剛委員提到很多的園民園鄉的一些建設或者一些包括住來水包括偏鄉偏戶包括這些長照的據點這些都是園民的基本 |
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所以要把這些基本的需求建構好所以委員這樣的建議非常的好注意剛剛委員提到的因為原民有很多的屬於比較熱術的族群 |
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應該因地制宜他的情況不能用一般社會上比較的一個看要依照幫助原住民發展或幫助原住民安老幫助原住民能夠每個原住民都能夠安積樂業的一個環境來出 |
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非常謝謝沈記長你非常的能夠同理我就代替主任在這邊請命也希望我們沈記長能夠協助去做部會的一個要求提醒另外就是您也知道一般公預算我其實心裡蠻難過的其實我們原住民很希望國土計劃法能夠趕快上路但是這6年以來立法院已經把4加6延後10年了 |
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那為什麼我說我很難過因為我們原鄉好不容易終於可以等到土地合法建物合法我們原鄉不要講私人公部門非常多的建物其實都是土地不合法我們的建物不合法 |
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所以在這個地方我希望我們不要再等待我們非常希望能夠透過監察院審計部的調查跟監督即使國土計畫法延後總共十年了原鄉可以快速的去做一些例如什麼工具呢更正邊定或者呢像我們的原住民族的土地管制規則 |
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這些應該都要去催促監督要求內政部 園民會趕快上路我想這個部分是不是可以拜託沈記長也能夠在你的監督行列 |
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國土計畫法我們查過就是如同委員講的他已經很多年了這個部分我們在查的時候看起來問題還蠻多的所以原住民這一塊我都想法如果其他的 |
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還是沒辦法徹底找到一個合理的方式原住民這一塊原民會應該去思考如何幫原住民做一個比較七格的方式來處理好 那就拜託沈機長了那本席有看過原民會最新發布的113年原住民就業狀況調查報告我心裡很沉重 |
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因為政府年年編預算都說要促進就業保障經濟生活但是我們看到數字背後的真相就會發現我們的族人在這個勞動市場當中非常的弱勢甚至是被邊緣化像是18.24%兩成的族人是在營建工程業打拚那職業類別呢是技藝的機械操作的基層技術功勞力這三類加起來呢就高達五成 |
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遠遠高於全體平均的29%那像這樣子就造成我們的收入就不高所以呢很多的族人將近三成呢每個月他是領不到三萬塊如果對比全國國民的收入水準 |
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這個中間的GAP非常的驚人而且高達九成的族人從來沒有參與過政府辦的職業訓練那參加過的每三人又有一人他不是從事職訓相關的工作但是不能怪他因為主要的原因是他找不到相關工作所以沈記長這是很明顯的資源作賜 |
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你知道嗎 原民會原住民就業基金光是去年114年度你知不知道用在辦理原住民就業輔導獎勵業務多少錢 |
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這一個部分我意思是7億那我想這個部分其實我們很希望就是關於我們針對低薪族群的改善還有這種執訓資源配置的合理性我希望有相關的查核成果那最後因為我是教育出身所以我對文化語言的傳承非常的看重沈記長我跟您說明其實依據總計總數109年的人口及住宅普查 |
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我們大概以原住民族語為主要使用的是千分之二一千個人只有兩個如果去對比到年輕世代那更是驚人我看是根本連千分之一都沒有所以我們最主要的原因沒有辦法在家庭裡面學習到母語了沒辦法了所以我們也要看一下111到114這四年投入多少搶救族語 您知道嗎 |
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國家語言整體方案 審計長60億啦4年60億啦 就是每年15億啦所以我們要來看 像學校推動主語其實在1、2年底截止有八成的主語教學人員是非專職的 |
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然後呢原民台廣播電台我們投入這麼多結果呢原住民學生觀看的比率是大概15%也就是1乘5所以這個代表什麼我們投入這麼多資源如果成效不彰是不是代表方法不對但這不代表要刪經費那我不曉得沈記長這個部分你有什麼意見 |
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我比較偏向這個語言因為有十種言字名有十種語言 兵諉快要聽不到了所以我是希望如果去學習這個兵諉語言的或者是寫字言要給獎勵好 那這個部分我們待會去做資訊 |
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謝謝吳立華委員的詢問謝謝陳審議長的說明 謝謝抱怨恨我們一場二樓旁聽又來一批同學台北護理健康大學第二批同學我們掌聲歡迎各位接下來今天最後一位詢問的委員登記第七號鄭天才委員請詢問 |
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院長 省紀長以及所有的省紀部的同仁有請省紀長麻煩再請省紀長說明政務委員好省紀長辛苦了沒有 你辛苦這個非常謝謝我們省紀長以及所有省紀部及所屬的所有的同仁的辛勞這個省紀部在 |
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以現階段的這個立法院跟行政院以及相關的這些關係我認為省紀部會更為重要那省紀部的組織法寫得很清楚你們的相關的這些職權請問一下省紀長這個有關這些職權的行使你們都會在年度結束之後嗎 |
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才會行使這個上年度的預算的執行嗎不一定有的是其中我們就去看了有的可能這個因為我們損棄有三大功能一個監督一個洞察一個前瞻前瞻的有的時候事情在已發未發之時我們發現了這個會對機關產生重大危險我們會提前預警好 |
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這個希望省紀部要更辛苦一下這個我所了解的是這個每個月事實上行政機關都會把他的執行的情形會送到省紀部有會計報告對每個月都會所以我是希望為了能夠促成 |
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這個良善治理這個市長特別提到的良善治理所以尤其是財務的責任財務的效能稽查財務及財政上不法這個部分希望能夠在每個月的時候 |
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如果比較重大的或是認為確實是有違法不合法的就應該要提出來給這個相關的機關不然的話要等到一年之後甚至兩年之後就太晚了對我們同意委員的意見好我們看這個整計部的報告裡面有提到針對偏遠地區的教師的問題都提出來都很好也希望教育部能夠去加強的辦理 |
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都很好尤其是我們受雇員工的這些平均薪資這些員工的比例相關的所得你們都提出你們的意見尤其是打炸的部分 |
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台灣現在已經是全世界受害因為詐騙受害是最高的所以這個更要加強但是怎麼樣去落實不是你們去落實要求行政部門去落實已經成立了這麼多機關對不對以前沒有那麼多機關 |
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結果成立那麼多機關,也立了那麼多法,結果詐騙案越來越多,受害的都是人民。我舉這些例子來謝謝我們省紀部。這個郵寬這邊都有提到了,港府為什麼要提到這個,這個希望每個月, |
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你們看到他們的執行情形的時候就應該如果像這個就業基金的違法滯用就業安定基金的違法滯用結果一直到要兩三年之後對不對對這個就業安定基金的這個滯用包括他所應該的產生的效能就會受到很大的很大的影響那接下來我就 |
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這個要請這個省級長及所有省級部的同仁就我所看到的原住民的部分來跟要請這個省級部來去協助我們看這個原住民升學的保障我記得是76年事實上是更早國民政府就開始了我之所以能夠念大喜也就是因為這個包括吳立華包括很多的所有的原住民的 |
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能夠唸大專學校都是從國民政府就開始降低入企百分之二十五這樣的一個非常好的政策原住民族教育法八十七年這是原住民族教育這是一個原住民的專法的第一個專法 |
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第一個專法原住民主教育法87年6月17號公布施行特別提到高級中等以上學校應保障原住民學生入學及就學的機會所以當時公布之後所授權的定的辦法也是降低入企25%但是從民國95年開始改為外加2% |
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雖然降低入企但是只能2%限定了這個名額限定了這個名額之後很多的原住民學生就到私立大學念書了因為有限定2%所以公立大學沒有辦法容納2%而已所以就到了私立大學在這樣一個情形之下你看我們 |
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原住民與非原住民的出債協力大專學生的出債協力從107學年度來看的話31.9%差距 落差31.9%到現在113學年度38.3%那個差距落差越來越大何況現在大專學生不是招不滿人嗎招不滿學生嗎 |
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怎麼不讓我們所以我一再要求教育部他是說他不動聲色這個數字對他來說毫無感動所以這個部分要請教育部能夠去協助我們因為我們也不能直接改因為那個是在他的執他的辦法裡面法規命令裡面所以這個部分 |
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另外就是你看我們的因為到了私立大學很多學生家長負擔不起這些學雜費就休學後來就退學還要去打工所以就變成你看休學率跟退學率都是13%點多相當高 |
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我們看這個大莊這個剛剛已經講過了就退學歷休學歷都非常百分之三點都很高原住民族教育法第26條規定這個應減免其學雜費所以從過去一直都有減免學雜費但是呢這個一般的學生就讀私立的這個 |
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減免失業大專學雜費3.5萬但是原住民沒有辦法收回為什麼本來我們繳的就比較少了就用不到這個那事實上我們看這個教育部訂的這個辦法減免學雜費的辦法從107年1月11號到現在已經8年多了8年多了沒有調所以也請所有人質詢的教育部部長 |
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但是不動聲色所以也請審計部能夠協助要求他們能夠該調了吧八年多了物價指數各方面對不對也都不所以不應該一直維持這樣的一個這樣的一個寫免寫雜費的一個數額我們看住宅原住民族家庭的 |
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自由住宅率新北市落差跟一般的國民27.83%台北市33.44%桃園市25.26%台中市差距31.73%原住民族基本法訂得很清楚 |
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因測定原住民主住宅政策然後輔導原住民建過或租用住宅我們看原住民委員會一百一十五年度的預算這樣的預算增加了一百一十五年度的預算比去年增加了七億多但是最重要的十一住行 |
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住是最重要的十之外就是剛剛提到的十一住行人生人的最重要的結果呢預算整整體的預算成長了七億多但是原住民族住宅四年三起計劃行政院核定的每年要編列一億一億三千八百萬 |
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每年要編列一億三千八百萬但是去年編列還好去年少了一點點編列一億一千八百五十萬但是一百一十五年度竟然減少到只編四千七百三十萬比行政院所核定的計畫不足九千多萬所以這個部分要請省紀部 |
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能夠去協調甚至你的財務的那個審核可以嗎剛剛委員所提要我們選舉就做了 多多同意因為原住民還是一個比較熱術的族群要幫助熱術剛剛提到那個 |
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讀大專念校我們查過 肉素的大部分都是讀我們一看 大部分的肉素都讀書歷這個對肉素的不太公平 |
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所以我們是希望這些慢慢慢慢能夠幫助是來那個包括剛剛講的住宅的經費或者是剛剛掃編的經費或者是已經很久沒調的經費我們會來做一個瞭解後來做一個審計建議來幫助顏志明的同人的同胞們要特別 |
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拜託 因為尤其是教育教育對原住民主而言非常非常的重要對 我在公務生來中 |
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這個對這個信念交易在我的有一個長官會員談到說原住民的我是希望我是比較希望原住民的不一定要漢家大學他有他的很多的專長現在高科技界在發展不一定進都進高科技但是相關的產業 |
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他一定會牽動一些相關的產業希望人民會或怎麼樣來幫忙原住民投入這一塊慢慢慢慢接觸這個高科技方面現在不只原住民的方面就是現在的一般民眾方面在高科技業的薪水和在服務業的薪水就相差很多好 |
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這個教育很重要對 所以我同意教育很重要就業的輔導研究法二十八條對都會區的安基然後住宅法第二條第四項特別提到要新辦專屬原住民的社會住宅這是一百零五年十二月二十三號修正公佈施行的但是這麼久了 |
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雖然早期的內政部部長106年的時候的內政部長說可以用住宅基金結果他們到現在都不敢用不是不敢用捨不得用還是說不願意用不願意自用所以到現在105年到現在都沒有原住民專屬的社會住宅好我們看這個 |
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研究法第18條我先談的重點其實在這邊之一原住民族綜合發展基金省局長 是我們在省政府的時代開始的原住民經濟事業發展基金要謝謝當時的省政府的主計處 |
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當初原住民族綜合法案一直到105年總共有117億7千多萬但是因為被違法挪用到禁法補償總共被違法挪用了50幾億然後整個53億多裡面到現在都沒有還 |
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事實上立法院曾經做了一個決議106年做了決議第九屆的時候要返還到現在沒有返還然後很重要的一直現在已經短促不足了更重要的現在還被挪用到哪裡部落公法被挪用它根本就不符合 |
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24269.172 |
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24290.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
不符合原住民族綜合發展基金以及原住民族就業基金的資用的法律跟辦法都不符合拿去做部落工法人如果是部落工法的客用那鄉鎮公所不是也客用了那人事費是另外的人事費所以這個部分要請這個審計部審計長就這個部分要 |
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24304.273 |
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24304.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
我們現在做以下決定 |
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24321.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
24340.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
中華民國113年度中央政府總決算及附屬單位決算及中計表審核報告中央政府前瞻基礎建設第四期特別決算審核報告中華民國112年度至113年度案交財政委員會會同有關委員會審查 |
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24342.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
24365.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
二 將各委員會發言記錄及書面諮詢函送審計部請就未答覆部分予以書面答覆三 已提出書面諮詢尚未刊登載公報者依律補刊現在非常謝謝徐巧欣委員今天下午陪同我們一起參與中央政府總決算審核報告我們現在散會 |