| IVOD_ID |
17396 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17396 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T08:35:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T12:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:41:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddb2fe689bc7515e1b0eb852eec0f805df93824e7b654fef384366e2c55c37fe965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會單位預算。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部中央氣象署單位預算。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸研究所單位預算。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算。七、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部航港局單位預算。八、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款-交通部主管第1目交通部、第2目公路局及所屬、第3目航港局及第4目觀光署及所屬。九、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算。十、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─國道公路建設管理基金分預算。十一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。十二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管航港建設基金非營業預算。十三、處理114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。【開會事由一至十二僅進行詢答；交通部（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第1目）預算提案截止收件時間：5月6日下午2時；行政院公共工程委員會、中央氣象署、觀光署及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第4目）、運輸研究所預算提案截止收件時間：5月19日下午2時；公路局及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第2目）、航港局（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第3目）預算提案截止收件時間：5月21日下午2時】） |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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好我們現場我們大家請就座我們初期委員已到法定人數我們現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第九次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年四月二十二日星期三上午九時至十二時五十二分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員萬美玲等十四人列席委員鍾嘉斌等十一人列席官員國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹社會發展部部長林怡靜等 |
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主席黃昭吉委員建豪一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定二處理一百一十四年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管預算凍結案計時案決定個案書面報告已送達均予以備查提報院會討論事項一審查電信管理法修正草案等案二審查有限廣播電視法修正草案等案三處理廣播電視法有修正草案等案 |
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是處理一百一十四年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管預算凍結案計三案 |
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本日會議由委員翁曉琳及葛如君說明提案要旨由國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹數位發展部部長林盈靜報告後藉由委員萬美玲等18人提出質詢均經代理主任委員陳崇樹部長林盈靜及相關人員分別予以答覆決議一報告及詢答完畢二委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分 |
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好 謝謝 |
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我們因為在場委員人數目前還不足沒關係我們一事路待會再處理現在我們介紹在場的委員我們黃建豪召委我們也介紹在場我們列席的行政院工程會陳金德主委陳維祥副主委李怡德副主委 |
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我們羅天劍主祕我們主祭室的孫惠主任謝謝在場還有我們交通部的程仕凱部長我們會計處黃鴻文處長中央氣象署呂國成署長觀光署程玉秀署長我們運輸研究所黃新勳所長 |
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我們公路局林福山局長我們航港局葉協榮局長我們高速公路局陳文瑞局長鐵道局楊正軍局長我們呂新喜副局長我們民航局何淑萍局長台灣港務公司周永輝董事長中華郵政王國才董事長 |
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我們桃園國際機場范孝倫總經理我們台鐵的鄭光元董事長行政院主計總署公務預算處的張正輝專委我們基金預算處的戴群芳專委好我們現在在場委員人數已達請問各位委員我們對義事錄有沒有意見如果沒有意見謝謝那我們義事錄就確定 |
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現在處理報告4項有關114年度交通部主管預算解凍案共47項我們請議事人員宣讀 |
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1747.23 |
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報告事項二處理一百一十四年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計四十七案交通部函檢送中華郵政股份有限公司一至四一決議第一項預算凍結二十分之一案二決議第二項預算凍結十分之一案三決議第三項預算凍結十分之一案四決議第四項預算凍結五千萬元案交通部函檢送台灣港務股份有限公司五至七五決議四項 |
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第二項 預算凍結十分之一案六 決議第三項 預算凍結一億元案七 決議第四項 預算凍結十分之一案通通部函檢送桃園國際機場股份有限公司八至十五八 決議第一項 預算凍結十分之一案九 決議第二項 預算凍結十分之一案十 決議第三項 預算凍結一千萬元案十一 決議第四項 預算凍結十分之一案十二 決議第五項 預算凍結一千萬元案 |
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十三決議第六項預算凍結二十分之一案十四決議第七項預算凍結十分之一案十五新增決議第一項預算凍結八千萬元案中東部函檢送民航失業作業基金十六至三十十六決議第一項凍結一千萬元案十七決議 |
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第二項預算凍結十分之一案十八決議第三項預算凍結五百萬元案十九決議第四項預算凍結一百萬元案二十決議第五項預算凍結十分之一案二十一決議第六項預算凍結十分之一案二十二決議第七項預算凍結三十萬元案 |
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23.決議第8項預算凍結十分之一案24.決議第9項預算凍結十分之一案25.決議第10項預算凍結十分之一案26.決議第11項預算凍結十分之一案27.決議第12項預算凍結1700萬元28.決議第13項預算凍結十分之一案29.決議第14項預算凍結五分之一案30.決議第15項預算凍結十分之一案交通部函檢送國道公路建設管理基金31至34 |
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三十一決議第二七項預算凍結三千萬元案三十二決議第二十八項預算凍結十分之一案三十三決議第二十九項預算凍結一千萬元案三十四新增決議第二項預算凍結一百萬元案交通部函減送鐵道發展基金三十五至三十七三十五決議第四十九項 |
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1889.529 |
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1915.083 |
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預算凍結十分之一案 三十六 決議第五十項 預算凍結十分之一案三十七 決議第五十一項 預算凍結十分之一案交通部函檢送觀光發展基金 三十八至四十一三十八 決議第五十九項 預算凍結十分之一案三十九 決議第六十項 預算凍結二十分之一案四十 決議第六十一項 預算凍結十分之一案四十一 新增決議第七項 預算凍結一百萬元案 |
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1930.79 |
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交通部函減送台鐵局坡路資產及債務管理基金42決議第70項預算凍結案交通部函減送航港建設基金43至4743決議第一項預算凍結5000萬元案44決議第二項預算凍結3000萬元案45決議第三項預算凍結十分之一案46決議第四項預算凍結5000萬元案47新增決議第一項預算凍結100萬元案宣讀完畢 |
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1945.673 |
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1961.24 |
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好 謝謝 我們做一下決定我們報告四項預算解凍案依照114年度中央政府總預算部署單位預算案決議各案的書面報告已經送達我們軍理備查並提報原會好 各位有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1962.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1978.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
沒有的話我們就照如此來進行我們今天進行的會議我們要來進行工程會、交通部、氣象署、觀光署及所屬、運營所、公路局及所屬、航港局單位預算審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1979.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2007.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
以及我們直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款交通部主管第一幕交通部第二幕公路局及所屬第三幕韓港局及第四幕觀光署及所屬預算審查及台灣港務公司營業預算審查以及國道基金觀光發展基金韓港建設基金非營業預算審查及處理114年度交通部主管預算解凍案一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2010.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2016.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
好 我們現在來 現在開始進行報告 請工程會陳進德主委報告三分鐘號 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2024.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2054.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
主席各位委員各位女士各位先生感謝各位委員安排經得列席報告工程會115年度施政重點及預算編列情形四項施政重點首先是重大公共工程列管每年執行預算一億元以上的工建計劃本會會列管本會每月召開督導會報並定期查核追蹤缺失與改善也會適時限定查訪協助排除困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2054.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2078.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
第二項是精進政府採購制度為了提升採購效率及透明度並強化廠商監管本會推動採購法修法為確保制度穩定運作以及尊重社會共識原則本會以延長修法期程進一步溝通引進各界共識之後再送大院審議第三項是多元禮樂爭議處理本會建置的政府採購諮詢機制目的是減少機關與廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2082.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2098.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
對契約條款的認知差異從源頭減少爭議的發生本會也會精進禮業爭議調解流程並且加強進度列管藉此提升處理效力充分發揮調解功能第四項是運用人工智慧協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2100.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2123.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
計劃審議本會進一步將導入AI建置計劃審議智慧助手輔助分析計劃內容摘入重點評估經費與其成的合理性提升審議效率與決策品質另外本會將建立政府資料與隱私隱私強化技術機制確保資料處理分析能夠安全合規兼顧資料創新應用與隱私保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2127.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2150.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
本會今年115年度預算編列情形如下本會稅入編列4811萬6千元相較114年度增列25萬7千元增幅大約是0.54%主要是增列違反祭司法及工程技術顧問條例裁判收入那其中罰款及賠償收入編列136萬元歸位收入編列4450萬4千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2157.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2182.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
稅出部分本會編列五億九千七百六十一萬兩千元較一百一十四年度增列六千三百一十三萬元增幅大約百分之十一點八一各項業務工作計畫如下一般行政編列三億七千九百三十三萬元公共工程企劃及法規業務編列一億三百一十萬四千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2183.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2187.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
公共工程技術業務編列6,827萬3千元公共工程管理業務編列4,569萬7千元第一預備金編列120萬8千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2199.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2225.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
那麼以一百一十四年度預算執行情形稅入預算四千七百八十五萬九千年決算數六千一百六十一萬一千年那麼本會衡量施政計劃輕重緩急何時編列一百一十五年度預算案所列預算均為提升我國公共工程環境所需為此本會順利推展內容敬請主席及各位委員鼎力支持並會議執教謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2230.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2237.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
好 我們謝謝陳金德主委接下來我們請交通部及所屬單位進行報告時間20分鐘預送案、解凍案一併報告現在我們邀請陳世凱部長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2248.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2271.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
主席、各位委員、女士、先生今天應邀致貴委員會舊本部中央氣象署、觀光署及所屬運輸研究所、公路局及所屬、航港局、台灣港務股份有限公司及高速公路局一百一十五年度施政計畫及預算編列情況提出報告預算編列情形分數如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2272.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2278.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
本部單位預算稅入編列531億餘元稅出編列486億餘元中央氣象署單位預算稅入編列0.3億餘元稅出編列30億餘元觀光署及所屬單位預算稅入編列0.51億餘元稅出編列90億餘元 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2295.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2302.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
運輸研究所單位預算稅入編列0.02億餘元稅出編列5億餘元公路局及所屬單位預算稅入編列106億餘元稅出編列531億餘元航港局單位預算稅入編列16億餘元稅出編列22億餘元 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2316.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2332.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款本部公務局及所屬、航港局、觀光署及所屬共編列155億餘元港澳公司營業基金總收入編列260億餘元總支出編列183億餘元預計淨利76億餘元 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2341.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2344.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
國道公路建設管理基金總收入編列361億餘元總支出編列198億餘元預計剩餘163億餘元 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2353.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2360.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
觀光發展基金總收入編列113億餘元總支出編列106億餘元預計剩餘7億餘元航港基金基金來源編列99億餘元基金用途編列102億餘元預計短處3億餘元另就本部114年度附屬單位預算凍結項目港澳公司暫除包裝代理及加工費 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2380.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2388.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
預算解凍案提出專案報告為配合業務推動本部前已將書面報告函報大院 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2390.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2390.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
好 我們謝謝陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2421.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2428.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
各位委員我們現在進行詢答現在我們交通部所屬黃文文處長來請 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2434.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2460.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
主席、各位委員、女士、先生,以下就本部一百一十五年度單位預算具一般性補助款,配合施政重點編列情形。詮要說明如下,其餘想請參佐後面書面報告。收入編列五百三十億餘元,較上年度淨減六億元。主要是減列中華郵政、陽明海運等營業營業及事業收入九億餘元,及增列氣燃費收入三億餘元,深減戶籍所致。 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2461.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2478.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
稅出單位預算編列486億元連同一般性補助款2億元合共489億元各業務計畫編列主要增減情形說明如下本部單位預算稅出部分較上年度淨減22億元減率部分包括兩項一是都市大眾捷運系統建設業務計畫淨減65億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2482.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2508.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
交通運輸規劃及產業發展業務計劃淨減4億元正列部分主要是營業基金業務計劃淨正列4.7億元包括正列撥補台鐵公司客貨運價為能涵應合理運輸成本所致營運虧損補貼66億元及減列增資淘擠公司興建第三航廈經費18億元一般性補助款本部部分編列2億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2510.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2538.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
吸補助地方政府辦理智慧運輸系統發展建設企劃以及營造深度減碳運輸環境及打造低耗能交通場域計劃散開項目均屬推動業務需求懇請各位為予支持 謝謝我們請中央計像署 呂署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2545.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2571.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
主席 各位委員 女士先生 大家好以下僅就中央氣象署115年預算編列與施政重點進行檢要報告115年本署稅入維持0.3億元 稅出預算編列約30億元本署核心發展的軸線主要是以強化氣象監測韌性發展預報核心技術 創新氣象服務量能115年稅出預算大概以四大重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2572.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2575.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
第一個是氣象科技研究編列10.9億元執行全國氣象 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2578.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2598.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
數位治理海氣象跨域應用以及地震測報技術的提升並全力投入氣象AI科研的發展第二強化災防服務以及海象監測編列3.9億元針對國家防災需求推動智慧海象及環境監測相關計畫第三精進氣象雷達的預警編列3.4億元強化整體氣象雷達網以及基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2604.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2607.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
監測數據的建設掌握颱風以及強降雨的狀態第四氣象測報及基本運作編列11.8億元主要是用在維持全國氣象觀測以及預報作業發布的穩定運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2622.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2640.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
在今年施政的重點方面面對極端天氣的挑戰為了應用前瞻科技來守護國人的安全本署今年提出一新興計畫將透過氣象風險數位治理與跨域應用創新計畫精進氣象科技提升災防效能活化氣象應用核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2641.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2658.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
以及拓展跨域服務並帶動民間產業的發展同時搭配高速電腦計畫的建設提升本署的電腦算力發展臺灣自主的AI預報模型以提升颱風以及極端氣候的預警效能此外也興趣推動臺灣南部海域 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2659.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2684.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
海嵐的建置透過海底觀測網的建置以及設備的提升讓本署能夠更早掌握地震以及海嘯的訊號爭取寶貴的防災的時間以上是本署115年年度的預算主要是在於提供氣象與地震的監測預報服務以及持續的發展所需期盼各位演員給予支持並適宜指教謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2688.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2693.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
好,謝謝我們氣象署的呂署長好,接下來我們邀請公共署陳玉秀署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2699.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2717.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生,謝謝各位委員過去的支持與指教,使得本屬各項業務能順利展開,再次表示感謝。以謝緊救本屬及所屬115年度重要業務計畫及預算編列情形,跟前一年度的預算執行情向,各位委員會提出簡要的報告。 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2719.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2746.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
115年度施政計畫重點本屬遵循賴總統的國家希望工程為達到觀光立國2030年觀光兆元產業的目標透過觀光品牌全球影客環球亮點捲動國旅跨越整合多元旅遊及智慧景區價值升級四大策略規劃重點項目亮點項目包括規劃成立財團法人臺灣觀光研究院推動北回之巔旗艦計畫微笑南灣in Taiwan建設計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2747.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2763.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
推動台灣觀光100亮點創新旅遊的產品繼續國際永續趨勢積極推動景區綠色旅遊輔導產業取得永續認證配合行政院擴大內需政策推出觀光雙輪驅動方案吸引國外旅客造訪台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2764.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2788.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
一百一十五年度預算編列請行公務預算稅入部分一百一十五年度編列五千一百零二萬餘元在稅入的部分稅出的部分編列一百一十五年度預算編列九十億三百零六萬餘元一般性補助編列四千一百五十一萬餘元辦理打造永續逛好地方創生計畫共計九十億四千四百五十七萬餘元 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2789.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2797.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
在公共發展基金的業務支出業務總收入113億2205萬餘元那業務總支出是106億1954萬餘元本期的餘出是7億250萬餘元固定資產建設改良擴充的計畫大概3億3501萬餘元以上詳細的內容請參閱書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2815.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2832.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
114年度預算執行情形也請參閱書面的報告本署將持續針對各國不同的市場特性滾動檢討調整相關的措施透過臺灣公共品牌3.0國際交流及主題產品等行銷計畫吸引國際旅客來臺國旅市場部分透過臺灣公共100亮點行銷距在地特色的觀光景點與活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2838.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2855.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
其以質量變進逐步邁向2030年觀光產值兆元的目標本屬及所屬115年度預算以橫著各項計畫優先緩急以往年度執行績效並配合施政需要妥適編列敬請各位委員會支持與指教 謝謝好 謝謝我們觀光署陳署長我們再邀請運輸研究所黃欣勳所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2873.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2884.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
主席 各位委員 女士 先生今天向各位來報告我們本所115年度施政計畫跟預算的編列在114年度本所稅收預算執行率達97.4%各項業務推動順利稅務部分時收約199萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2891.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2917.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
主要是本所的國際會議廳租金收入為達預期在本所115年的施政計畫的重點如下在整體運輸規劃方面啟動第六期的整體運輸規劃進行全國性的屢次特性調查在人本跟安全的方面優化道路交通標誌標線號誌設置的參考指引導入全生命週期的道路安全檢核的制度在智慧跟科技的方面研發AI號控來保護行人的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2918.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2931.03 |
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並推動無人機在偏鄉物流跟災害緊急物資運送的應用在淨零轉型方面檢討公路使用養護跟安全管理費的徵收機制並研議利用車載數位資料精進貨運碳盤查來達到2050淨零轉型的目標 |
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2936.195 |
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2960.99 |
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在本年度預算的編列在稅入部分編列2,259,000元較上年度略減11萬元主要是因為借用宿舍的員工減少所致在稅數的部分編列了5億677萬元較上年度增列約4,684萬元包括新增露營跟港灣自衛防災跟調適技術的研發應用計畫以及海洋雷達海象跟船舶監測技術的研發計畫 |
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2963.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2987.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
本所的預算皆配合交通部以人為本辯解台灣綠色運輸的策略妥適的編略並將持續以科技還有數據來支援決策為人民民眾來打造安全永續的運輸環境懇請各位委員會議支持跟指教謝謝各位委員好我們謝謝黃所長接下來我們邀請公路局林福山局長 |
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2992.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3008.986 |
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主席 各位委員 大家好那首先感謝各位委員長期對公務局業務的支持與指導那公務局115年度施政計畫及預算編列詳細的內容敬請各位委員參閱書面詳細的報告那以下僅就重點進行說明 |
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3009.867 |
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3025.216 |
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那有關於公路局115年度施政重點的部分主要是依據行政院115年施政的方針並針對當前社會狀況發展來編定整個施政計畫那整體重點的部分有包括四個著象一 |
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3025.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3044.612 |
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推動落實綠色運輸與交通平選那主要內容包括推動通行月票與整合票證優惠措施續行客運車輛電動化建置北海岸等路外自行車道串聯地方路線第二個主軸精進升級公路監理服務升級第三代公路監理資訊系統推動電動車專業技術訓練轉型 |
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3049.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3063.945 |
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第三個軸向持續優化交通安全改善人行空間推動管線挖掘減量及人手孔蓋下地強化天然文化精進高齡者及機車駕照管理加強遊覽車及外送員安全稽查第四面向 |
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3064.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3081.834 |
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持續建構及強化韌性公路交通系統路網同時辦理台九縣蘇花庵跟江大橋高坪二塊等重大的一個工程並同步提升省道邊坡與橋樑建設預警的一個能力那在115年度的預算 |
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3082.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3086.256 |
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編列部分稅務編列106.19億元較上年度增加0.98億元在稅出的部分單位預算編列531.95億元連同一般性補助款150.63億元總共 |
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3101.983 |
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3123.857 |
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682.58億元較上年度增加25.8億元主要是新增TPAS及高頻二塊計畫那整體這個預算匡列除了一般性的行政支出之外那主要的部分包括公路及監理業務75.3億元公路建設及改善398.1億元及一般性補助款150.6億元 |
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3127.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3144.934 |
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針對公務局115年的一個預算案那公務局也這個已經投資編列那敬請各位委員指教及這個支持 謝謝好 我們謝謝林局長接下來我們邀請航港局葉協榮局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3152.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3178.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
主席 各位委員 女士先生以下緊急航港局及航港建設基金115年度施政重點及預算編列情形提出簡要報告本局115年度施政重點包括五大主軸方向一 強化航岸港岸管理提升救援應變能量二 完善三港基礎設施強化海運交通韌性三 優化離島海運服務 |
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3181.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3201.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
維護偏鄉交通平權四 推動海市智慧升級建構永續地攤的航運五 推動藍色公路旅遊促進海洋觀光的發展有關115年度預算配合施政重點編列情形報告如下一 航港局單位預算及一般性補助款 |
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3202.266 |
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稅務部分編列16億4,764萬3千元稅出部分編列22億1,136萬5千元一般性補助款編列1億6,329萬5千元二 港港建設基金附屬單位預算基金來源預算編列99億6,058萬9千元基金用途預算編列102億7,926萬5千元 |
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3227.589 |
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3252.947 |
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基金來源以及用途相抵後本期短促3億1867萬6千元較上年度短促減少8億3647萬5千元最後報告結語香港局115年度預算以橫著各項計畫優先緩急以及以往年度執行績效並配合施政需要妥適編列敬請各位委員會與支持與指教謝謝 |
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3258.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3279.307 |
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然後我們謝謝葉局長接下來邀請我們台灣港務公司周永輝董事長主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天僅就台灣港務公司115年度預算提出報告 |
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3281.382 |
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3296.627 |
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本公司是以強港行新觀光自管理達永續為四大核心工作積極推動各項建設與服務在115年度的年度營業總收入部分260億餘元較114年度上年度預算增加6億餘元 |
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3301.249 |
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3311.072 |
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成長2.46%那麼營業總支出含稅183億餘元那麼我們年度的淨利較上年度114年度預算增加3億元成長4.51%那麼本公司呢115年度預算以務實編列並以強化智慧港舖與活絡港區經濟為推動方向以企業治理與永續目標來辦理 |
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3330.399 |
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3347.052 |
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另外就114年度附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分審查會凍結業務費用向下暫處包裝代理及加工費十分之一部分僅提出專案報告 |
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3348.476 |
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3364.332 |
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本項經費6億6千餘元那麼主要是用於推動貨櫃行銷、數位轉型及綠港獎勵等那麼請各位員相參書面資料那麼疫情後的112年度貨櫃量的減少 |
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3367.856 |
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3392.443 |
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那麼在這個業務費向下來執行那麼已經在113年度已經有成長了4.5%那麼114年度真的受到美國關稅及航商調整航線那麼貴量連減了3.7%但是為了提升競爭力港澳公司推出短期加碼等措施那麼 |
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3393.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3410.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
也務實的檢討行銷的獎勵方案期請各位委員支持並同意業務費用向下支暫除包裝代理及加工費解凍 必力各項業務的推動再次感謝各位委員的支持與指導 謝謝好 我們謝謝周董事長接下來我們邀請高速公路局陳文樂局長 |
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3425.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3450.541 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生接著由高速公路局報告115年度國道公路建設管理基金的預算編列情形基金的主要收入是高速公路的通行費還有貨分配的汽車燃料使用費再還有服務區的服務收入我們用以指引國道公路的建設還有相關設施的擴充改良支出以及相關的維護管理支出115年度的預算編列在業務總收入部分 |
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編列預算數為361億6585萬元業務總支出預算編列198億5243萬4千元本期剩餘數是163億1341萬6千元另外我們在115年度也有編列434億1995萬7千元辦理相關的固定資產建設跟改良擴充計畫主要辦理有新興計畫國道5號銜接蘇花改公路 |
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3479.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3504.451 |
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國道一號偵測高雄第三男子園區閘道工程另外還有多項的具信性的專案計畫包括有國道七號國一甲國一陽梅頭份拓寬工程還有相關的改善交流道橋樑改建邊坡改善交通系統提升隧道基電照明更新及國道計畫的規劃設計等以上敬請各位委員會議支持我們國道公路建設管理基金115年度預算謝謝 |
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3509.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3537.507 |
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好 謝謝陳局長交通部各單位都報告完畢現在我們開始進行詢答先宣告以下事項詢答時間出席委員6分鐘我們列席委員4分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止本日會議不處理臨時提案我們暫定10點30分休息5分鐘現在我們邀請登記第一位委員萬美玲發言 |
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3545.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3549.159 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請陳世凱部長請陳部長委員好好 部長早最近其實是一個蠻夯的話題就是大家都在討論那個高德地圖你本身有下載嗎沒有沒有嗎 但是你有去看過嗎新聞上有看過 |
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3595.362 |
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新聞上有看過不要怕還是得去看一下因為你身為交通部長要去了解一下因為現在看起來有很多的民眾不但在討論那也都有下載使用可是呢抒發部內政部跳出來說因為這是錄製的APP有這個私安跟國安的疑慮或者是問題所以他禁止了公部門也禁止了國軍使用那當然這個我們都尊重但是他也跳出來呼籲要民眾不要使用那我幾個問題今天再請教你就是說部長應該有了解這個議題 |
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3598.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3616.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那你有沒有去看過說為什麼現在大家在這個Google使用之外那第二選擇甚至於已經把當第一選擇就是用這個高德地圖那您剛剛說因為你沒有下載那只是大概看了一下那你了不了解為什麼大家現在對於這個高德地圖的這個接受度這麼高 |
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| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3635.076 |
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我本身是使用Google的地圖啦還有Apple的地圖其實這種地圖類的還不少可以使用的範圍其實蠻廣的那高德地圖可能有人覺得它的介面或許是比較友善或者是說它有一些功能是吸引一些有需求的人所以他們會下載 |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3650.269 |
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那對我來自己的本身的使用的習慣我還是習慣用Google跟Apple本席同意因為這種Apple都有使用習慣上的問題但是新的Apple出來會受到歡迎勢必有它的優勢的存在所以這就是多一種選擇 |
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3651.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3668.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
那現在因為內政部跟這個抒發部的部長都來呼籲說民眾不要使用甚至於還有提到說要禁掉高德地圖的打算所以部長您剛剛也說了嘛這個是習慣選擇那如果政府真的會去禁掉高德地圖你覺得用什麼方法或者你認為可能民眾就完全不用了嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3696.443 |
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不好意思因為委員這個高德地圖這個不是交通部管轄的範圍所以到底民眾會不會使用或者是有沒有哪一個部會他會不會禁止這個我不曉得但是我覺得很像這個議題的討論現在比較少然後使用的人我自己在一些社群上面看到有些使用的人使用之後感覺也沒有比之前使用的其他好沒關係剛剛您說到說這個高德地圖不歸交通部管 |
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3717.523 |
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但是高德地圖跟你剛剛說的Google一樣我們使用它的這個原因跟使用它為什麼其實就跟交通部有關係了所以我們就在講說其實它有沒有國安的風險問題我想這政府部門自然會去評估我們都尊重但是如果今天我們要把它禁掉了那至少我們國產的這個地圖 |
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就是有差不多的這個我不敢說要就到多好但至少要有一個差不多功能的一個APP應該要趕快出來讓民眾來使用嘛所以呢在這一次我看到卓院長在備詢的時候也有提到說我們現在也會有一個類似高德地圖的國產APP會出來而且有信心會做得更好那不曉得這個部分的話交通部你知道嗎 |
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3742.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3766.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
向委員報告這個部分是國科會在負責國科會目前是有這樣子的經濟組織要做但是你不能說這個速發部這個國科會因為未來其實對交通會有幫助的嘛是不是就像您剛剛也說說你會用Google使用Google來查嘛那為什麼就是這也是一種幫助所以我今天其實把這裡提出來其實本席完全料到你會提到說這不是你的業務等等沒有這跟你有相關係向委員報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3791.073 |
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其實我們交通部有個TDX系統就是全國的交通訊息都會連接到 借接到我們的TDX系統那我們目前TDX系統跟民間的APP合作大概有600個系統左右包括Google Map也是一樣那未來國科會的這個國產的地圖如果做出來它也必然會借接到我們DTX系統 |
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3809.773 |
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我知道所以他一定會用我們系統裡面的資料那這個部分交通部一定會幫忙協助不 您剛才說這個TDX系統我有上去瞭解我覺得很棒因為你涵蓋的範圍其實很廣那我們也一直在努力在做當中可是我好像又看到我們業主委其實他並不知道交通部現在我們也有這些資訊所以我認為我們政府的這個部門 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
3833.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
跨部會不管哪一個議題其實大家是要互相合作在一個平台上一起來研究不是說這個議題裡面某一項歸你那就是你的某一項歸我是我的不是這樣子的尤其是如果交通部有一個這麼好的一個平台你是不是應該也要提供不管國發會或者是相關的部門 |
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3849.574 |
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那把這些資訊給他們那將來我們來做這個我們自己國產地圖的APP的時候我覺得它是會有一些幫助的所以我們不要置身於事外我們積極的來跟速發部經濟部或者國發會來聯絡然後把這個更好的地圖APP趕快做出來可以嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
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謝謝委員的提醒 這個建議非常的好實際上我們也都已經有公開資料 而且有開放資訊好 部長既然你覺得本席的意見很好 要主動因為你公開了以後 其實我看還是有很多人不知道所以加油一下那接下來我要跟你討論的問題就是四季荒 |
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這個司機荒啊 客運公司這個駕駛司機荒已經很久了那幾個議題 因為我們今天時間很有限啦幾個議題 第一個呢我們桃園市政府有提出說我們是不是可以讓這個橋外生就是我們多一個司機來源的一個選擇開放橋外生也許也可以從事我們客運司機 |
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那這個部分的話交通部好像也認為是可行的在跟教育部移民署溝通之後沒有意見說到勞動部但是勞動部好像到現在為止的意見也沒有表述那也沒有一個結果您知道現在勞動部的意見是什麼嗎好 向委員報告其實我們現在也都在協助地方政府跟勞動部在溝通那我有跟勞動部這邊也溝通過他們目前有一些想法例如說他到時候他的語言程度要到什麼程度當然 |
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因為駕駛第一線是要直接面對民眾因為客運上他就必須要跟民眾有對話所以他的語言的要求還有對台灣的整個交通的體系的習慣性這個部分他有做出一些要求您說的這些我都同意 |
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但是問題就是在於說因為私心荒的問題很久了也很嚴重那去年11月我們這個意見就送到勞動部其實有一點久啦當然本席也會跟這個勞動部這裡再進行溝通那您這裡我覺得可能大家也要很想再來做一個討論因為我們也很希望說可以運動這件事情 |
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另外我想在這一次總諮詢的時候本席有提到關於開放雙層巴士這個總是交通部本身的業務嘛那很多的業者是說他們不排斥雙層巴士但兩個原因第一個是因為我們現在法規是四米他們希望到四米二這是第一件事第二件事情當然現在這個國產的雙層巴士其實一台要價可能就要兩千萬了那我們桃園市政府因為想要解決這個司機荒所以他也說如果 |
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這個業者的購車補助在市區公車每一輛他可以補助五百萬那國道客運每一輛補助四百萬所以有相當的補助我想業者意願會提高針對這兩個部分法規跟補助的部分部長能不能簡單說明一下感謝委員 這個議題其實之前洪孟凱委員也相當的關心那我們也都把這個法制上開放給這個雙程巴士可以上國道那您剛剛所提的這兩個細節我是不是我請公路局長向您回答好嗎 |
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那可能盡快好嗎兩個課題一個是這個規格這個法規的一個調整的課題第一個部分就是說原來現行這個公告出來是這個最高到4米那現在希望說能夠再增加20分鐘那個基本上不是牽涉到技術的問題是牽涉說希望都能夠配置一兩個這個座位但是這個部分專業的部分車安中心已經有跟業者在做一個討論看看是不是有需要修正的一個必要那第二個部分就是有關於補助的部分那這一個補助的部分的話 |
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現在局裡面已經在做規劃那配合預算這個審查的一個結果的話我們會把這個進額這個明定出來那剛剛委員提的那個部分是我們努力的一個方向好 我想部長我們台北這個新北跟桃園我們一直在想說是一個生活圈但你要知道這個生活圈的連結度要能夠夠幾命靠的是什麼交通 |
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那如果說我們的交通尤其是在這國道路線上面我們沒有辦法再去開新的路線我們的班次是不夠的來自於司機荒司機荒不解決影響的就是這一片那我們的這個生活圈其實就是含假的所以拜託是不是請我們的部長會後能夠就本席一直在講這幾個點喔能夠做一個整體的報告出來給我好不好那大概多久的時間兩個禮拜兩個禮拜好OK謝謝我們非常感謝萬美林委員 |
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好接下來我們邀請侯孟改委員發言好主席謝謝我們先請工程會陳主委還有我們台鐵的董事長鄭董事長陳清德主委請台鐵鄭董事長 |
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好 主委董事長我就直接把握時間齁因為台鐵現在台北車站商場的BOT案ROT案啦算是讓國人都看到沸沸揚揚那其實國人都很關注我想第一看到有九家公司願意來投票我覺得這是好事代表是說這個是國門的一環那也大家各評本是用專業但我覺得在這一次的事件裡面 |
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有一個狀況是招標案評審的結果提前外洩而現在原本在經營的微風他們已經要打坐所謂的行政訴訟那可是台鐵現在講是說因為已經評審出來另外一家所以說就是要往前走但我想請教一下工程會等一下可以用上級主管機關的部分來做指導但我先請教一下台鐵的鄭董事長 |
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董事長我最關心的不是哪一家業者你們專業評選那是你們要去專業評選但兩個部分第一為什麼會提前外洩這個結果有沒有內部調查 |
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這個我們已經啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷啷� |
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現在認為是哪一個環節出了錯我們對當天參與的另外一部委員審查委員還有工作同仁還有我們那時候的顧問公司的所有人員我們都要一一的來那現在已經發出通知那麼我們逐步的來什麼時候會有結果應該是最快裡面我們會盡快的最快是多快 |
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最快我看我們應該這兩個禮拜兩個禮拜好那國人來先你們先內部調查但是現在另外一個部分我覺得更關鍵是原本現在經營的是微風那你們現在想的是說新的這個是星光三越他們得標那你們會依照五月簽約七月底交接有沒有辦法順利 |
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我想跟委員報告這個我們這個甄選的結果啊那麼在28號已經公告了那公告以後按照規定啊那所有的有意見的這個廠商啊都可以按照我們出產法的規定在我們在30天內公告或30天內提出異議那我們接到的這個異議的話我們會在20天裡面啊來給你答覆那如果說 |
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沒有董事長現在我問的是一個因為微風他已經提出我在再三強調你上次來我辦公室的時候我也跟你提過我樂見很多的廠商來因為這代表是大家都對於經營這有想法有意願但我沒有說哪一家廠商一定要不可可是現在的狀況是我要站在消費者的立場因為我很擔心的是現在舊有經營的微風他覺得說他在打行政訴訟他不願意離開新的覺得是說我已經得標了我要進來 |
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那台鐵站在房東的立場你怎麼樣把房客請走再讓新房客來然後讓民眾的權益不受損我覺得這才是關鍵對那所以我們會依法這樣來進行那就是說那個在回復過程裡面啦或者是在抗疫過程裡面呢我們還是會按照NHK的精神去預約我們按照不專管就你現在還是認定評選出來是新光就是新光 |
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是 對不對我們還是按照程序去走那這個也不會因為按照我們出產法裡面的調解規定裡面來不能因為這個抗議在中之中啊那停止我們的程序好 本席只要提醒不要讓消費者的權益受損不要因為兩個在打架而這個始作俑者輕風沉重上還是台鐵如果台鐵沒有提前公告提前被洩露外洩的話可能大家放榜的時候會比較心甘情願我的看法是這樣 |
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但是你兩個禮拜內要給國人清楚明白的交代以及也給我們交通委員會好不好那主委針對這個案件我覺得是重大矚目的事項工程會在這邊能夠有什麼樣協助的角色報告委員這個是出餐案並非政府採購法所管轄範委所以它主管機關出餐的話是財政部又不是工程會但工程會對於這相關招標的部分本席只是講是說在這一個過程裡面 |
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我覺得未來不管是促餐不管是相關招標的部分能夠給予我覺得不要演變到是說因為這都公家機關主委本席只是想強調的是說每一次就是有這種重大的變化的時候不要影響到消費者的權益那其實之前我們有看到類似的案件像什麼基隆市政府基隆市政府當時也打了一個官司那但不管怎麼樣我覺得民眾的權益是要擺在第一優先順位 |
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好 這個我們願意用督導台鐵的這個立場來加以了解那至於本案全權是屬於出差案並不是政府採購好 謝謝主委跟董事長先請回來請交通部部長好 感謝來 部長請 |
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部長剛剛外媒林委員也提到那不管是外媒林委員本席其實我們都關心這個國道客運雙程巴士上國道所以說你剛剛也提到了是說會有補助的辦法只要預算現在也已經都在審查我們趕快來讓他上路那另外一個部分電動貨車或者說相關電動的這個是 |
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營業車或是相關的這其實也都有補助去年就已經在答詢的時候有提過說願意要來做補助但是現在還沒有上路那是不是一樣比照辦理好 向委員報告因為它這個核定是在去年的9月核定是那我們來不及在去年的預算編列進來今年的所以我們會在今年編列預算編116年的部分所以116年我們就會開始實施也就是說我們今年年底會把辦法列出來那明年開始業者就可以來申請好 |
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那就是把相關辦法一定要提前趕快做預備那另外在這個過程裡面當然如果說行有餘力盤點一下啦其實本席也是希望是說因為電動相關的部分其實是現在政府的方向那最重要是什麼2050金鈴碳排嘛我們希望達到這個目標所以往前回推能夠早一天實施早一年實施其實對於達成這個目標應該都會有顯著的效果 |
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那另外第二個部分是我們有看到因為中東情勢油價上漲所以現在有推出說計程車補助油費那馬上其實計程車當然它是大宗用油營業但另外遊覽車貨運也是商用的部分那馬上我不知道有沒有看到新聞但是已經有很多的業者馬上也跳出來說他們也確實受到這一波中東情勢的狀況而產生了成本 |
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像委員報告我們第一波在協助的部分是針對公共運輸的部分我們希望公共運輸不要去影響到一般民生大家在使用的這個票價那貨運的部分他們也應該會有提出這樣的想法貨運或是遊覽車遊覽車也算是公眾運輸嘛對對對 |
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那這個部分其實跟海運是一樣的海運跟空運是一樣的其實他們成本有增加那他們貨運的費用其實也會就增加就提高那目前我們是只有針對民生的公共運輸的部分來處理那第二個部分委員已經在關心那我們也會來討論看看 |
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因為對政府來講我們的預算不一定有這麼多的餘裕這第一點第二點在商業的行為上面或許它的吸收的程度可能可以彈性上會比較高一點不過委員在提醒我們就來討論一下本席過去到現在一直強調的是政府一定要整體思維就是說看中東情勢因為中東情勢現在到底會延長多久不確定 |
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而如果說我們自己要有一個臨界點但更重要的是我們也要看到百工百業的需求也因此交通部身為主管機關當然我就這邊提出來請交通部長這邊來一併交代研議什麼時候可以給相關我們來討論一下兩個禮拜左右的時間兩個禮拜好不過這個也要看整個行政院的政策好謝謝最後來我們看一下一個簡報謝謝主席因為這淡江大橋啦 |
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我想陳士凱部長上上禮拜也前來淡江大橋那我們先看下一張昨天應該是不是有開放因為4月28號的新聞我想有可能是有開放記者在上橋去看所以蘋果日報也都寫出一個新聞其實這也跟本席在現場觀察其實是一致的就是說為什麼大家現在會覺得那個機車道被罵翻主要是因為它的那個吊鎖 |
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這個阻尼器也好 吊鎖也好它是往內縮也因此摩托車騎士會騎到尤其是相對比較遠的時候它那個內縮的狀況嚴重壓縮到它的機車道我們看上一張就更明顯你看右手邊這邊 |
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右邊這邊就是機車道可是我們剛剛看到那個內縮的那個鋼索他就是往斜上來到淡江大橋的主橋墩也因此來下一張表情也因此摩托車騎士在這邊會一直看到這些大型的阻尼器導致於他的視線那這也是我先姑且不會兩個部分我先部長我先講兩個部分第一 |
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你已經設了機車道公路局一直跟我們講是說因為這個是61快速道路原本沒有機車不能上機車所以說你們為了機車族的便利你們增設但是對於很多廣大的機車朋友來講其實過去到現在一直主張的是機車不應該是慢車它應該是一般的車輛所以不應該有純有機車專用道可是淡江大小我先講是說因為現在已經配置完畢了 |
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看要你們改或者說要你們取消要你們這個5月12通車之前不可能是不是委員還是您覺得5月12通車之前會不會改我只是問這件事情因為是疑似主管機關你要負責向委員報告這個不太可能因為第一我們是符合法規在做如果說不能改的話那這樣子本席再丟另外一個想法您聽聽看有沒有壓力測試就是說是不是能夠讓 |
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不要說民眾都說5月12號就要通車我不要說通車完畢之後一次兩百台三百台五百台一千台機車上去然後結果造成一些狀況所以本席才講是說是不是用壓力測試的方式可以也許事先因為我知道你們已經模擬過救援的狀況但現在本席講的是說如果上下班通勤時間假設我們請兩百台機車來騎 |
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一次騎乘看看讓機車族的感受藉此來針對使用者經驗來去做一個檢討或是回饋不要說通車完畢之後才還是說發生事情之後才我們大家都不希望發生事情但本期希望是要有壓力測試可以做到嗎 |
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我們來討論看看但是這個其實我們事先在做設計的過程都有做過模擬它的車流量我們都做過模擬已經模擬完但現在就是說現行的狀況所以部長你現在你也承認你的意思是說我們做完之後還沒有做過壓力測試你所提到的問題還沒有讓摩托車組織譬如說 |
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我沒有講說一定要找哪個特定的摩托組人行道的部分我甚至講人行道的部分可以有民眾提這另外一個小議題有民眾提是說在人行道上面可以參考日本或是說美國的那個大橋它上面可以有這個 |
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小涼椅坐在那邊讓他看夕陽我覺得這很不錯你可以思考但這不是我們今天討論的重點我現在還是回過就是說不要有交通安全交通危險的狀況所以說我才講說是不是能夠提出壓力測試這個部分我們來評估看看好不好 |
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那汽車要不要 砂石車要不要我覺得可以啊我覺得很好啊如果說能夠做就像之前部長你講了委員您今天提出這樣的建議你問一下我們的公路局長他在通車之前4月17號之前就找來200台還是多少台的砂石車上橋去 |
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測試那個承受 承重度這個是我肯定這是我肯定沒有錯所以說我現在講的是說如果你能夠做測證在座的壓力測試那能不能針對機車組做壓力測試因為大家現在擔心的是安全的問題嘛安全的問題嘛好不好你們兩邊掌握一下時間好不好 |
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後面下面做好幾個可以有部長那麼的本席現在提的是一個很安全的問題我知道 但是只要通車延後你5月12號之前還有三個禮拜的時間你本來就可以再做相關的測試啊 |
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不是嗎這部分我是跟委員報告一下因為這個結構上面的這個載重試驗跟剛剛委員講的基本上是一個車道容量跟實際車流的這個部分那因為這個每個車道不管是汽車道或是這個機車道它的容量的一個設計就在這個地方那這個相關實際車流量的部分的話它有時間上面的分配這些相關這個等等部分那在整個這個設計上面一定是確保這個容量 |
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這個容量的部分都有這個規劃設計上的發展值我身為中央民意代表跟你一樣我相信你也沒有辦法接受那個洪委員的建議救行者安全也是很有道理我希望公主應該考量洪委員的提議啦好不好你們再試一下再去要跟洪委員來提更詳細的報告好不好讓國人不要有擔憂一個橋開通大家都是好事但是國人要有擔憂化解國人的擔憂不是你們說沒事就沒事 |
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好 我們非常感謝洪孟楷委員接下來我們邀請李昆哲委員發言好 報告召委 請你放心我發言絕對不會超過15分鐘好 感謝請一下陳世凱部長好 |
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還有台鐵公司鄭光元董事長請鄭光元董事長鐵道局楊振軍局長請楊局長部長我先請教你啊有關於4月初高鐵啊發生了無線電發出告警訊息然後造成了三班的列車停駛那這個問題的狀況啊就是說 |
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高鐵發送這樣一個告警訊息然後這個告警訊息不是透過高鐵應該有的程序以及無線電所發出的那你有瞭解這個狀況嗎像委員報告在當時發生的時候本來以為是無線電被竊取後來發現不是被竊取於是就覺得應該是我們的這個裡面啊他的這個訊號啊 |
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被有心人士也道路來使用那這個部分其實高鐵公司馬上就報警現在檢警都已經在調查桃園地檢署也正在調查這件事情好 這個不管是內部的問題或者是外部的控制或者是竊取相關的這些密碼等等但是我要提醒就是說在目前看起來這樣的一個狀況它的無線電是在加疫 |
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他發的告警訊息是在台中但是啊他的信號的發射源又是在高雄所以說初步的認定是有外部的這樣的一個狀況那其實內部其實也有問題啊我要提醒部長外部有外部的這樣的一個懷疑的狀況的基礎但是內部 |
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我要請教一下部長我們的無線電高鐵的無線電關係到相關的這些狀況的掌握都是內部人員所持有這個無線電你知不知道從2007年到現在有更換過嗎它的系統有更換過嗎應該是沒有更換過你看2007年19年了 |
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2007年還是iPhone第一代剛推出來的時候現在已經iPhone 17了18馬上就要出來了我們的無線電系統還是當年的這樣的一個系統第二個這個無線電要使用它是有七道的這樣的一個驗證的程序 |
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這個七道驗證的程序外部他很難就去了解這樣一個狀況但是這個七道程序你知道嗎七道程序有變換過密碼或是相關的程序你清楚嗎是不是我請鐵道局長補充一下 |
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跟我們報告這個系統雖然是2007年建制因為他是屬於鐵路專用的一個Tetra的通訊系統但是相關的設備跟這個密碼驗證的機制高鐵公司都有定期在做處理那這次的案子處理什麼就是有在做檢視跟做必要的更新有更新嗎你去查一下是 |
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那我們回頭會再做進一步的這樣一個了解就系統上沒有更新但是相關的設備跟這個管理的機制那我們會來檢視高鐵公司定期管理的機制請部長跟鐵道局去了解高鐵公司系統更新是必要的我剛才提醒過了 |
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2007年是第一代的iPhone出來現在都已經iPhone 17、18馬上就要出來了還有七道的驗證程序到底有沒有落實相關的這樣的一個更新的程序我知道有些交通單位每三個月就去更改相關的密碼呢是我們會向高鐵公司來瞭解那並且要求如果該更新就必然要更新那這樣的一個狀況就是說 |
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破解公家機關的無線電啦多數都是發生竊聽或是干擾很少發生這種控制的狀況這次高鐵就非常嚴重 |
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那他不但破解甚至能夠控制那這是非常嚴重的事情這個部長必須要嚴加的督促我們會嚴正來面對這個問題而且不只是高鐵軌道系統的無線電的安全不管是高鐵台鐵或者是捷運他的軌道系統都有無線電的這樣的一個使用的狀況 |
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那交通部鐵道局都必須要進入調查是就是說確保各軌道系統無線電的安全的狀況必須要能掌握那必要的話要有更進一步的防堵的手段你們有沒有進行這樣的一個檢討跟委員報告這個我們會立刻來進行 |
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另外工程會 我也必須要提醒工程會 陳助委工程會未來必須要針對無線電的這些採購要必須研擬更嚴謹的一個規範 |
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因為軍警消防海巡交通事業各類的公眾事務交通單位他們使用無線電關係到國家的安全也關係到交通的安全那工程會必須要有更積極的作為我們相關的無線電在採購的相關的規範在最前端就要確保他的一個基本的安全請主委簡單說明 |
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這個採購法裡面也有相關規定那採購機關可以基於國安或治安的問題在契約裡面做必要的限制包括這個採購的單位等等好 這個都必須要加強啦我請部長有關於高鐵無線電不管是它的硬體或是軟體或是相關的7道驗證程序有沒有定期 |
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這樣的一個做處理跟更新必須要加強的督促我們馬上去了解另外台鐵的問題台鐵的安全是很重要台鐵到今年的3月初 |
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每天的搭乘人次每天的搭乘人次它的日平均也已經到67萬人次了那台鐵的吊車事故2026年5件然後2025年10件2024年8件行車事故的統計今年1到3月件數有160件死亡3人受傷的 |
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有三人那運安會我要提醒部長跟鄭董事長運安會有提醒啊2025年的重大鐵道事故的改善建議總共有18項全部都是台鐵那超過三年未解除列管的改善建議項目高達7項遠遠超過其他的單位那代表 |
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有幾項的安全的問題過去三年還是沒有完全的改善那其中就包括普悠瑪及太魯閣兩次重大事故之中所提出的建議部長 |
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三年了然後難道這個台鐵的改革啊只能三年過後又三年永遠改善不了嗎來部長先簡單說明一下報告委員當然不可以這個樣子啦所以我們所有該改善的部分台鐵公司都應該要積極來辦理那我想鄭董事長到了台鐵之後也針對這些案子全部都在審視過了一次是不是請董事長也回答一下 |
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各位委員報告你剛才提到我們總共列管超過三年的有七件那這七件基本上我們在最近裡面都已經陸續的會完成其中兩件已經由應安會解除了 |
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另外五件裡面除了有一件是在現在就是清水隧道這個重大是我們會在今年的5月15號完成解除部長必須督促台鐵公司針對相關運安會的安全改善建議必須加緊落實的去督促 |
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另外目前為列除列管的這些改善建議之中19項是台鐵的管理組織文化的問題佔了一半那組織文化的問題沒有去改善那問題就永遠無法根除那有關於台鐵的管理跟組織文化這個董事長要用點心是的另外我要提出 |
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更重要的就是我們的軌道交通的記錄器那問題就是說普遍記錄不足這些行車的記錄記錄不足而且資料的標準不一甚至有很大的缺失那記錄裝置它一個很重要的功能就是提供平日列車它營運狀態的檢視以及辨識潛在的危險 |
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或者是事故的發生之後相關的記錄資料他能夠協助事故的調查分析的噪音以及還原事故的這樣的一個經過那當然這些行車記錄記錄器他不會直接的影響到或者是改善相關的列車的安全但是妥善的保存而且 |
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運用這樣妥善的一個管理那我們對於疫場的監測還有維修的檢討或者是教育訓練或事故的預防都能夠改善軌道的這些安全的狀況但是我們軌道交通上的這些紀錄器 |
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其實都是普遍記錄不足啦而且資料標準不一啦那尤其是比較早採購的這一些啊列車都出現記錄不完全的這些狀況那部長 董事長以阻風鋼壓力 低壓警告為例啊是甚至只有最新的商館列車啊才有確實的記錄啦那 |
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我們鐵道局針對各軌道系統記錄不足的這種狀況應該要參考國際的標準都要將列車必要的記錄參數還有抗撞毀的殘存能力的相關標準國際標準都要列入相關的規範之中 |
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那因為時間的關係我最後幾個建議鐵道局應該參考國際的這些標準來訂定相關的一個規範而且要盤點在目前的安全標準之中跟國際規範有落差的這些要主動的來進行相關的修正那台鐵應該要參考國際標準就是說盤點目前紀錄器不足的 |
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這個部分提出必要的項目來增設或是推動車輛的更新以及相關設備的改善那 |
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如果需要機會也應該確實的向部長來提出相關的說明來讓鄭董事長最後補充說明是我想我們現在這個紀錄器裡面ATP的部分都沒有問題那其他的像TCMS這部分的話我們現在用人工的方式先做但是我們也在開始用無線傳輸的方式在進行 |
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現在已經用EMU900這邊在做我們預估這個整個計畫在測試的部分在115年年底可以有完成但是整個車隊的建置用無線傳輸的話我們在117年可以完成的一個建置但是這之前我們就用人工來保存 |
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好 最後我再提醒一下陳士凱部長對於高鐵公司它相關的無線電是否還是2007年之後所採購的第一代的系統沿用至今第二 相關的高鐵公司應該有的七道的驗證程序有沒有定期的更新或者是不符合目前資安的相關規範 |
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這個要確實的去掌握 不然民眾對於高鐵安全會有重大的疑慮那一般的人如果是外部人士他可以竊取或是更進一步的控制相關高鐵列車的行車狀況這對安全是很大的一個危機我再一次很嚴肅的提醒陳部長好 謝謝委員好 謝謝李崑澤委員質詢 |
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接下來邀請林俊憲召委諮詢好 謝謝主席本席邀請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長還有公路局林富山局長請林局長國賢好部長好 |
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部長我看今天的各項報告裡面我們公路局有提到一點就是強化道路交通安全打造一個駕駛安全的環境他其中都有特別提到為了減少道路挖掘造成用路人不便所以有特別針對管線的挖掘要推動縮時減量還有提高強度管理以及提升路面整平及道路服務品質 |
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部長有一件事情我最近接到一個陳情案我才知道原來我們所謂的管線挖掘它整個作業是這樣子那我去了解一下法律的規定我們在公路法第30條之一第五款它有特別提到 |
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如果管線開挖會開挖管線的使用單位大概就是油電水電信啊他們通常都是承包給包商嘛那公路法其實法律規定是這樣子第一個你要交一筆錢公路挖掘挖補費用給公路局或者第二個由這種施工的單位就管線的機關 |
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那麼你要把我完全的修復而且由公路局來監督所以實際上在挖的之前他要申請許可那麼挖入的單位他就會提出一個叫做工程計畫 |
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就是說我歐料 管溝鋪面 AC啦 厚度怎麼修人行道呢 都要修道路平整 以及道路標線反正所有你都要給人家恢復啦 普通那條意思嘛你來給我歐錄 你來給我錄修就好但是我們現在 再多修一條線啦 叫做公路的挖浦費啦 |
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法律規定是二折一啦那請問部長那你為什麼兩筆都收施工單位要把道路給恢復還要再交一筆錢包商跟我陳情啦他要交1500多萬他說我幫你做好了我按照你的要求做好也讓你們公路局來驗收 |
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若是我幫你修補回來 你為什麼要給我收一筆錢來 部長 你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
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報告委員如果是他已經修復啦因為我們原本的概念是代收代付就是說我收了你的錢我來負責把它補好那現在如果是廠商已經把它做好的話他其實是有個歷史嚴格為什麼會演變成這樣我是不是請局長來補充好不好歷史嚴格依法規定還有什麼歷史嚴格從過去變到現在我請局長來跟您補充 |
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這邊跟委員報告確實在這個就是說在生死條之一第五項的部分大概有兩種一個部分的話基本上就是由這個道路主管機關來做代辦那另外一個部分的話就是管縣挖掘單位自行來做這個修復那我跟委員報告一下就是說就這個收繳挖補費這個部分在七十幾年在生物時代的時候基本上是用收織並列的方式來做治療你要告訴我生物時代兩行兼一行啦 |
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你挖施工單位路如果補平了那驗收通過就恢復原狀了嘛你憑什麼再給人家收道路挖補費啊你如果要修道路挖補費也沒關係啦那你工種你自己去施工做就好嘛你不能兩個都要法律規定也這樣子來你拿法律給法律條我們看一下 |
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公路法第30條之一的第五項二則一來 部長你看一下 |
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根文報告 公路法規定的部分是確實陳委員所提到的部分就是公路局來做處理或者是這一個管線挖掘單位他們來做一個這個處理那我根文要就是說進一步說明的部分的話就是一個挖掘的這個動作大概有分兩階段第一個部分是交尾開始挖 挖完之後那這個要立即這個讓這個道路可以 你回答我的問題你現在是在亂講話 |
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簡單講部長現在的發生的實際狀況多年來我現在才發現啦我明天代表當政會長我裡面坐在這裡我才發覺說 原來啊你講從 你就像我陶俑一樣第一個喔 |
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你我如果要申請許可 這是一筆錢啦 行政備用啦 你審查那第二個 歐盧的人當然要給我們留守就好但是這兩個風險嘛 他要給我們恢復原狀要嘛 他錢給我們 我們來做嘛你現在都是兩個都要嘛好 那現在產生一個問題 |
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現在大部分的施工單位他會順便幫你鋪平因為你要求他 你要鋪平你交通部也公務局也不要自己做你都叫人家幫你做就好但是你要多收一筆錢部長五年來我統計過啦你超收四十億啊問題是這四十個隊隊預算書看不到啊你用資料集他變成你 |
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公務局各地方分局的小金庫嗎啊不然你太小的才可以拿去啊 部長 你知道嗎 |
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報告委員 這個部分因為有時候廠商他在挖啦他只會挖一個車道或者是局部他只會補那個局部但是對公路局來講他必須要整個改善所以這個預算他其實是拿來做整個後續的改善我跟你講 如果他沒有恢復原狀你公路局不會放過他啦對 但是就會變成一塊那你不可以再讓人家收這個錢啦好 那我問你如果你收了這筆錢就是用在原地你們部長講的 你有嗎 |
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你敢保證嗎不要胡說八道我跟委員報告這筆錢收進來之後它的用途一定是用在鋪面養護上面哪一條路叫你講是你給我收這條線我給你歐這裡你收我的錢那我就是負責把這個地方弄好嘛 |
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這段時間收起了 流向何處沒有人可以查了委員在講的這個我們會要求就是說公務段那邊要更精細的一定要用在那個地方不能更精細你今天來當不然你就修法我兩個都要你現在法律規定部長你是部長耶依法行政耶我們公務法三十一條三十條之一第五項很清楚的歐羅的單位就是兩個做法 |
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要嘛道路恢復 要嘛錢給公路局 公路局自己做現在是兩個都要 |
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造成啦!你會把人家...路已經造好了,那麼你修了這個錢,流向就不明啦!好,向委員報告,我們會把暫時性修復跟永久性的修復分清楚啦!好,如果他是做永久性的修復,那我們就不要再收錢!好,他如果是做永久性的修復,做到那個程度,我們不會再收錢!他也跟你亂講!公務總要跟他亂講!如果他不是做永久性的修復,生意這條錢,那你不能給我弄到別的地方!教育公司是這樣嘛! |
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你就不能留用啊所以我就說就必須要精準說在做這一段那以後這條路要重做了是國家要編預算嘛你賭樓本來就有修復的費用嘛公總一年 |
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拿幾百的你收你爐你以後這條路如果頂著你本來就被你老公都會頂著他挖完之後即便是有鋪回來我們的這個維修的頻率會跟原本的規劃的頻率會不一樣一定會增加你還在後面說那你那筆錢有用在原地嗎所以未來要更精準的用在原地才有道理那是二折一還是兩個都要 |
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那你拿得出來你收的錢的流向嗎每筆預算跑到 每筆錢跑到 趙議員你知道嗎我跟委員報告這個錢絕對不會不會變成這個公務局的這個小信託我跟你講啦 這個錢要拿去賺就不可能了照理說你政府黨委員的錢都要接受監督耶你五年收了四十億 這錢拿去賺 |
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我告訴你 局長你自己也不知道啦你都在各分局嘛你不要再變啦報告委員 您在說的這個我們趕快來檢討我再跟你查下去就很難看啦你以後就記錄書就好要不然就是記錄到一年來做兩年經一年嘛又要人家收入 又要給人家收錢 |
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法律規定就是二則一我們就依法來執行好不好你講的這個我覺得是蠻有道理我們會朝就是說如果他執行修復而且是用永久性的修復就不要再收錢就二則一啦沒有什麼永久性就不永久性修復啦修復就修復啦我們會朝這個方向好不好 部長我跟你點到為止好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝局長謝謝林俊憲召委諮詢 |
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好 謝謝 接下來我們邀請陳樹越委員發言謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳部長請陳部長 |
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部長早安本席也要來關心這個道路交通安全的問題我們看到卓榮泰院長在上個月的11號就是親自主持中央道路交通安全會報115年第一次會議的時候有再次強調就是我們2030年的行人死亡人數要下降50% |
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以及2050年道路交通事故要臨死死亡這兩大政策目標可是我們看到統計的一個數據2025年交通事故的總件數較2024年是增加了8425件在死亡的人數雖然有少了92人受傷的人數是增加了9701人 |
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那我們看到這樣子一個數字事實上跟我們所設定的目標在114年我們是預計整體死亡要下降5點目標是10%要下降10%那行人死亡要下降15%可是依據這個數字的話我們114年整體的死亡下降是只有5.5%那行人死亡下降是6.8%所以都大概 |
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一半的這樣子的達成%數而已那所以未來我們就是對這個交通安全的一個改善我們是否能夠達標這部分是不是請部長向委員報告這個部分其實要全國大家通力合作大家一起努力才有機會達成 |
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那這個部分我們跟地方政府也都在合作包含這個人行的環境的改善等等之類的我們都在做那不過這個數字確實一開始的下降速度會稍微緩慢一點不過當民眾已經養成了守法守規的這個交通習慣之後我相信這個數字下降的速度會加快那不過這個部分交通部會繼續來努力我們覺得目前的數字我們不夠滿意那我們希望能夠繼續再做得更好 |
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是好那我們也看到就是說我們為了要達成這樣子的一個政策目標我們在就是行政院依據道路交通安全基本法有核定了國家道路交通安全綱要的計劃來精進就是行人交通安全的改善 |
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也依此來編列了這個相關的一個預算可是我們看到就是說交通部在115年的時候就是在這個預算編列上交通運輸規劃及就是產業發展向下的道路交通安全我們是編列了3.8億429萬餘元這樣子一個預算可是我們也去就是看了過去相較過去去年跟前年的編列預算我們是少了近2億元 |
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所以我們要達成這樣的目標可是我們在預算上卻減少了那我不曉得說我們要怎樣去 |
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可以去達成這樣的目標像委員報告我們是把預算有一部分編到公路局那邊去但是總數啦總數並沒有降低總數的預算沒有降低只是說編的位置可能不太一樣是就是有在其他的項目因為這件事是我們很在意的事我們也希望爭取再更多的預算所以我們第一我們不會減少那未來如果有機會我們希望再把它再多匡列一些預算可以對於這個交通安全的部分再做更多的努力 |
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是 OK 好 謝謝部長那我本席接下來要關心一下有關就是油原車的這個意外事故的議題那我們也請那個觀光署陳署長一起 |
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我們看到3月9號的時候在南投山寧溪發生了一起嚴重的遊園車翻覆案件所以造成了一死七傷這樣子的一個事故那這個死亡的鄉親剛好是本溪選區內的一個鄉親 |
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所以我們也覺得說對這樣子一個事故非常的感到遺憾所以我們也來關心就是我們注意到這個油原車的翻覆事故事實上這個3月9號這個已經不是第一起的油原車翻覆的一個事故因為我們看到在去年4月4號的時候在宜蘭的綠色博覽會也有這個油原車因為煞車失靈所以造成了 |
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一死一傷這樣的一個事故那我們看到過去以來就是遊園車因為他所行駛的這個範圍都是在這個觀光的這個遊樂區裡面所以他不是屬於一般的道路所以他不需要申請 |
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這個牌照嘛所以他也沒有辦法受到道路交通處罰條例道路交通管理處罰條例來管轄那因為他也不是像其他遊樂設施一樣受到觀光署的一個嚴格的一個規範所以他現在只能就是由業者來自主管理然後由地方跟中央來督導這樣子的監理的力道是非常的薄弱所以 |
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在這樣狀況下幾乎是成為三不管的模糊地帶所以對乘客的安全也非常的沒有保障所以我們在這邊也要請教一下因為我們也有注意到觀光署在3月19號本來就要召開遊園車的管理審議會議應該是也有注意到這樣子的一個議題 |
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那對於這樣子的一個遊園車的安全管理制度先請教一下就是署長就是在3月19號召開的遊園車管理審議會議之後對於如何強化遊園車的管理是否有具體的一個結論 |
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向委員報告我們目前有一個研究案正在針對所有的這個遊園車的部分看未來要怎麼管理觀光署已經有起一個案正在研究我們希望可以有一個方案出來除了觀光署自己的這個場域主管的區域之外地方政府的觀光局或觀光處他們也可以來做參考那這個部分是不是我請署長來補充一下請署長說明一下 |
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就觀光而言啦我們一定是快樂出遊安心旅遊嘛所以這個部分很謝謝委員的關心那確實我們其實去年我們就發現了有這樣一個可能在管理上面過去在法令上面不夠嚴謹的地方所以我們就起了這樣一個研究案 |
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那很遺憾的我們研究案還沒完成這個意外就先發生那我們是在緊急的部分就先處理在這個整個研究案的相關的法規還沒有完成之前我們等於是說先全面性的檢查那我們現在目前觀光遊樂業有25家那其中檢查有這種像 |
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油源設施就是這種油源車輛的這個部分大概有12家目前只有一家沒有電相關的管理規範那這個部分我們會積極來輔導他那我們是覺得說這個部分有車輛安全的部分基本上當時出車的時候他就有相關的保養的辦法 |
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那現在需要補強的是他在經營管理上的時候遇到了相關的管理的要點他的檢查的程序那這個部分已經逐步在補強那我們希望說在年底前完成的這個相關的管理規範之後呢也可以提供給其他的部會來做參考 |
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這樣子比較有機會讓全面性的變好因為只要是大型的場域或節慶都也會有提供這樣的服務確實它是超過觀光署的管理的範圍但是我覺得遊客的安全還是我們都要一起來重視的因為我們在努力提升這個國人旅遊的誘因的時候 |
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就是如何保障國人出外旅遊的安全這是非常重要的所以我們也希望就是說只有安全的旅遊環境才能夠讓國人願意出遊所以這個也是我們觀光署要職責範圍之內要多加費心的部分好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好 我們謝謝陳樹岳委員接下來我們要請魯明哲委員那同時也宣告待會何俊頓委員宣導完畢後休息五分鐘好 請魯明哲委員 |
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好 謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長我們工程會陳主委請工程會陳金德主委以及我們港務公司周永輝董事長港務公司周董事長委員好 |
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好 周董事長你是去年10月13號才到港務公司就任董事長是所以現在要的問題在發報的過程跟你並沒有太大的關係但是因為現在遇到這樣的一個情況到底事實的一個情況是如何我就會待會要請教你一下因為之前我們淨週刊淨新聞有特別報導 系列報導 |
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這個高雄七街 七街 碼頭及聯絡道路工程它基本上七街分成兩大類它站區的除潮是中頂得標嘛 那另外一個那這個是碼頭跟聯絡要做橋過去那坦白講這兩種工程這個尤其碼頭跟聯絡道路你如果掩護或怎麼樣兩個東西都會互相影響到的所以我們滿在意這個工程 |
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那255億他由去年的7月份你還沒到任喔由東平營造得標這個項目那現在得標這個項目之後這個引發了蠻多的一個爭議那我看到在報導之後你們有一個回應的一個新聞稿新聞稿我覺得也沒有燒到仰處啦你只有講說因為這個城鄉的問題目前還沒有看到申請書 |
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我的天啊 你的態度是什麼啊 問你的態度好不好看到申請書跟沒有看到申請書 不過只要問你的對這個事情態度那現在的遇到的幾個問題 我要請教董事長第一件事這個預定2028年3月要完工啊 要這個搞定的碼頭聯絡道路工程目前的狀況是怎麼樣 會不會延誤 |
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跟委員報告現在是還是按照原來的合約在執行而且工程進度的部分現在目前還超前0.19還超前喔那就是說報導上面講的東濱工程的一個網狀圖啊他已經畫到 |
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晚一年了2029年5月到10月這到底真的還假的不知道因為我們通常工程用我的經驗從地方到中央都是要到最後一秒要破的時候才會承認但是我是希望因為這個是一個工程接一個工程所以我覺得在這個時間的管控一定要特別注意也跟委員報告工程都是趕前不趕後所以我們在進度上會抓準 |
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好 周董那個遇到這個問題除了新聞回應之外那個振豐啊振豐體系有做一個行政調查嗎我們啟動內部調查內部調查嗎是那調查狀況是怎麼樣目前還在進行中就報導全部是假的是要準備告他嗎 是不是 |
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有沒有真的哪些真的哪些講的你說基本上就是我們要一約嘛然後我們是由台灣世西公司來做設計建造所以他的所有的變更還是要按照合約來執行目前目前是還是按照按照原來的講到世西啊這報導中間特別講說去年七月得標之前這個高調 |
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東坯高調來請世襲的高層在某高級的飯店吃飯還有工程人士然後當場對不對可能酒鍋三巡啊揚言就是七街ok沒問題結果果然七月就得標了請問一下振峰振峰哪一位沒來振峰這個有沒有事實 |
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是無賴因為坦白講不是無賴世襲喔是你的團隊你是業主喔如果他們下面在東搞西搞你應該要知道還在了解是不是對我跟你講這很重要喔這非常非常重要我不知道報導正不正確我是覺得這樣的 |
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報導不正確你們要有立場要還廠商清預是不是這樣的報導如果是正確會出大問題我是覺得因為你是10月13號才過去的我是覺得你有比較有客觀的立場那再來他覺得第一個問題我也覺得 |
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看這個字面問題就很大了它原本在你們的一個契約相關的原本說在高雄來製作那麼重的沉箱而且在A6碼頭旁邊的水域來製作結果咧現在傳出消息啊 |
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因為台北港台北港那邊應該有它原本的一個基地可能相關的一個設施可能可以據說比較能夠減少投資報導說可以省施工設備費10億我不清楚可是光城鄉你在高雄港 |
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你要來台北港做這麼重的沉箱然後再運過去這個我知道你們說還沒有提出申請我請教你的態度不要講申不申請你們會不會同意 |
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跟委員報告原來的合約確實是得也就是說你在製作成像的時候本來在高雄港的腹地不夠所以他可以選擇其他的地方那這邊都有涉及到專業的判斷所以那另外一個問題是說我們台北港所騰出來的空間是不是有按照原來的合約或者另外的合約來租賃這是另外一件事我知道啦我沒有問那一條嘛 |
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他為什麼還在台北港因為他之前租了你們續租嘛我們通通不管嘛人家質疑是說因為那邊有設備所以原本答應這邊你不用投資嘛一個月做三個城鄉總共做99個城鄉他每個月的進度要多少面積我是希望你們不要被騙那如果說被騙從報告計畫開始的時候就開始在騙 |
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然後變成他講的很多可能是某一位委員他列為最優的標準怎麼可以這樣呢對不對 因為你在地真的 他評分搞不好這個多幾分啊然後後面說不玩了 不好意思我要去台北了然後後面再運過來這個陳主委 工程委 陳主委 |
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你對這個這麼重的城鄉要這個從台北坐然後坐到高雄去你的見解是怎麼樣就你工程會的角度以前的今天三接在做的時候城鄉也都在台北港那我要看看他合約所以必要的時候工程會是會去做集合 |
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工程會你要協助一下因為我覺得你們也不要自打嘴巴了因為之前從前前主委就開始節能省碳因為這是我們整個國家的一個目標工程會也要求公共工程大家一起來做從材料各方面上來做為了要落實從111年8月31號表示你們的決心只要中央政府超過1億以上的工程全部要給我填節能減碳減核作業 |
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對不對這是你們的嘛你們公告的1億以上工程他255億嘛顯然完全符合而且呢這個減核表是要從計畫提報階段當然問計畫提報是在你111年8月以前那不算但是他至少規劃設計現在施工我的天啊他潛能減碳的減核表要怎麼填啊 |
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你們看的人我不知道會不會怕為什麼最下面的檢核項目呢你們再三強調優先選就在地嘛減少運輸耗能這是一個指標你們如果說從第一個階段計畫提報的時候在國發會都會審核這樣計畫如果第一階段沒有至少在現在的規劃設計施工階段都有 |
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那時間因為真的不夠了我覺得你們這不能太離譜你的表又亂勾啊我就OK啊都沒問題然後城鄉五六十個要從台北運三百多公里過去啊那最後啊我就請教一下那個董事長 |
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董事長那個報導我只是來求證一下因為你們也沒有說嘛是他當時的合約說他會有兩兩艘這個浮沉台船嘛因為這麼重我們做的沉箱如果真的要去運載即使在地也要運到位置也是需要這樣的一個船隻那現在兩艘一艘是現有的結果沉了嘛在宜蘭外海沉了那你們也公告叫路過船隻小心沉了一艘那另外一艘說之前說正在購買中 |
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不是啊 現在他怎麼樣 那個船出來沒有 買到沒有 什麼階段跟委員報告一下 第一個在合約進行中所有的工具區都是要備齊的然後他應該不能影響工程的進度然後這個第二個呢 說目前來講他們確實也有兩艘船所以這個數據有點不大新船也買到了 對不對 |
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確定有兩艘船可以作業那你們去研究一下在這2900萬的沉箱什麼真正的沉到水底是怎麼 他們怎麼操作的啊也會研究這個因為未來我們這邊類似的作業非常多是不關我們的事還是他這個經驗有什麼問題你們要了解喔如果弄到最後真的會拖到工程喔是 |
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因為有些工程混在一起再跟委員報告一下跟我們這個工程有關的部分跟您報告那我也拜託陳部長陳部長這個案子還是要督導一下如果沒有這回事一樣樣查清楚嘛如果真的有這回事真的你們要主動做個清查 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝魯明哲委員接下來我們邀請何新淳委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席我們軍縣召委我們是先請這個公共工程委員會陳主任委員我們請陳建德主委 |
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委員長主委好 辛苦了那雖然今天是交通委員會我要談台中機場那等一下那剛剛因為盧委員有提到這個減碳的一個減核表的填報問題我記得我在從上個會期去年一直以來也很關心我們公共工程委員會裡面對於這個 |
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碳排資料庫的一個建立那去年啊我記得陳主委是跟我回覆說今年碳排資料庫可以完全建置好那請問一下完全建置好了嗎就是碳排係數啦每個項目根據這個各單位像水利啦或者是公路單位 |
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就是公共工程裡面有分門別類嘛來蒐集他的碳排吸塑那因為工項太多所以逐步增加了那 |
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前年的時候大概一千 我記得是一千七左右現在已經超過兩千筆前年是一千七 那去年是多少現在已經兩千筆現在才兩千筆 如果前年是一千七那現在呢 過去的一年多增加了三百 四百 |
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我的意思是說 主委不夠有效率啦今天那個減碳的這個所謂的減核表從基層公務人員到所有的公務人員只要是跟公共工程相關的甚至呢發包出去之後呢包商如何體驗這一個減碳的係數的真實與否這個呢都在於奠基於在這一個 |
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碳排係數的資料庫第一個到底健不健全第二個到底夠不夠讓所有的公務人員以及相關該填寫所謂的碳排檢核表的人可以依照我們所公布的資料庫裡面的係數的數字下去真實的填寫這些步驟必須要確實那這一個碳排的這個檢核表它才有意義啦 |
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不然是沒有意義的 主委 不然是沒有意義的報告委員 這個相關的工程預算都編有這個相關探足機 探的這個調查的相關的預算我知道啦 主委 預算有編因為每一個個案 每一個工程之後他才會累積這些係數的經驗所以是回報 工程會是去收集 |
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這一點我跟你有點不太同意的一個意見喔第一個我們除了被動的接受所有的人的填報所以你累積出這個資料庫第二個我們難道不能主動的去 |
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認定或者是學者專家或者是其他的一個方式來建立我們自己認定的一個資料庫或者是銜接歐美其他國家的資料庫接軌我覺得這個部分我們一定有其他選擇跟選項你才能夠有效率的把我們這個碳排係數的資料庫可以更快速的完整更快速的與時俱進不然我們永遠落後 |
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公務人員或者是在第一線上必須填檢核表的所有相關人員第一個不知道怎麼填啦我都說我記得我還質詢過了相關人員的一個專業的對碳排矽素填寫的專業能力跟認知到底有沒有這樣的足夠的能力 |
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這個我們有沒有做所謂的這個專業訓練或是在職訓練或者是什麼訓練我覺得這是公共工程委員會要幫我們公務人員或者第一線上要填這個碳排檢核表的人要從他們的角度來想該怎麼讓這個填寫是有意義的該怎麼讓這個填寫 |
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公共工程的攤牌的計算出來的總數是有意義的不然你所有的填寫跟過程是沒有意義的欸因為他的數字有可能是假的啊是不夠真實的啊 |
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主委你有去想到這個問題嗎我是提供意見啦因為從去年大概從前年去年到今年其實每年我都在關心這個碳排係數的資料庫的建立啦還有呢這個填寫的這個相關的人員的一個專業認知能力填寫能力啦那再來我們不希望所有的政策到後來我們看到的這個檢核表的 |
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只是形式上的填寫啦主委我只是希望我們能夠落實跟確實就道好謝謝文貴的關心我們會逐步來加強拜託啦好不好你再給我一個書面資料好不好好接著我們請交通部陳部長謝謝主委 |
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部長好,部長我就還是要來談,因為你也是台中人,我們最關心台中國際機場的事那國際機場現在台中的國際航線越來越多,現在已經到今年26條國際航線那搭乘的人數也大增,幾乎以新宇航空、台灣虎航或是真航空等等我列舉這三個,幾乎斑斑刻滿 |
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可是我們最近發生一件很重要的事來下一頁我們既然有26條國際航線那所有的國際航班也班班客滿這是在台中國際機場裡面的旅遊遊客的服務中心卻是像公務機關的一樣的早早打烊 |
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7929.331 |
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這個在地方議會前兩天是一個議題那其中牽涉到的一個服務中心除了台中市政府管理局設置另外一個就是我們交通部觀光署那我不知道為什麼我們交通部的觀光署尤其台中國際機場是屬於我們民航局轄管 |
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那我們自己中央的單位然後竟然橫向的聯繫不夠我們的觀光署不知道說我們現在台中國際機場已經國際航線26條而且呢班班客滿而且呢夜間下班時間夜間的一個旅客的進出量也很大可是我們還停留在以過去為服務國內航線遊客旅客為主的一個班表 |
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部長你知道這件事嗎報告委員我之前在媒體上也有看到台中市議會也有質詢這件事情那目前我們觀光署有補助台中市政府針對這個台中國際機場的旅客服務中心的人員一年是補助他們兩百萬那對於這個大家在關心尤其委員在關心這個班表的問題我們目前五月上旬也會找地方政府來討論看怎麼樣把他的時間帶可以剛好涵蓋到所有的旅客國際旅客可以來到的時間 |
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這個部分我們來進行檢討你看我列舉了台灣的幾個機場就台中國際機場最少我們只有一班次那早上上午十點上班六點下班然後我必須要告訴你來下一頁我現在盤點出來每週下午六點以後台中機場抵達跟出發的班次達二十五個班次那這二十五個班次我們加總起來近三千名旅客 |
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是在我們的服務中心空窗期的時候這個時段沒有人可以服務我想這個東西觀光署如果要知道的話民航局台中機場就應該要提供啊那我也並要進一步的要求部長那我們民航局台中機場對這個旅客服務中心的服務是有空窗期的是有 |
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沒有完整涵蓋了整個國際旅客的一個進出機場服務時間的這樣子的一個情況竟然沒有主動提出要求或是主動提出希望交通部觀光署可以來協助我覺得交通部之間的橫向聯繫是不是有問題啊 |
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還是不重視我們台中機場這個部分我們確實是應該來做處理啦我們約上群就會來討論那其實目前台中市政府派兩員是交通部的觀光署補助的那另外其實觀光署也有派兩名那過去這兩名是比較負責入客的旅客啦那但是這兩名負責入客的旅客目前我看入客也比較少也沒有太多業務 |
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是不是我們這兩位我們看怎麼樣調整我們五月上旬會來做一個決定部長拜託啦我們五月盡速的來調整啦那不然呢以台中市政府管理局回答市議員的詢問的時候台中市政府是整個都推給說這個都是中央的這個都是中央補助的所以要請中央解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
台中市政府好像一點事情都沒有原來這個機場這個落地的旅客是能夠進來台中市來做觀光是可以為台中市創造這個最大的一個觀光的產值也是我們要積極爭取的但是現在我們機場裡面的旅客中心 |
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沒有辦法周全的服務一個攤位叫做台中市政府的一個管理局一個攤位叫做交通部觀光署的一個旅客中心結果呢 人家台中市政府雙手一攤說這是中央的事所以部長 我覺得要積極的回應積極的調整 這個觀光署會馬上來調整是 馬上喔 好不好 期待 好 謝謝非常感謝賀謙淳委員對台中的關心 |
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8157.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
謝謝好那我們現在開始休息十分鐘 |
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8190.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8190.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
谢谢观看 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8662.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
那我會撞樹 |
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8782.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
好 各位請就座好 謝謝 接下來我們有請陳雪生委員發言好 謝謝主席 是不是請工程會主委請陳建德主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
最近不只是馬祖金門跟澎湖也有類似的情形發生這個國中鄉公所 |
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| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
所以採購人員不足尤其像國中小你叫他去蓋修繕宿舍啦去蓋校舍啦他本身他是老師是幹事而已嘛他沒有這樣的經驗你看最近馬祖發生有三大工程這三個大工程啦,謝謝工程會工程會很夠意思啦颱風災害什麼你們馬上也都到馬祖去了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
上次執行完了以後主委也特別派了指派了主任秘書去在那邊給基層同仁講習講了三天但是我覺得這不夠啊現在這個金門馬祖澎湖這個基層的這一些人員怎麼解決你看這個以這三個工程北竿這個北竿中山國中興建工程來下一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8914.564 |
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你看施工時間開工是112年12月25號工程進度到115年4月24號預定的進度現在應該是到30%了他只有多少目前進度2.483聽說今天工程會要開會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8962.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我跟縣長講你照合約的規定合約裡面有規定嘛你該解約就解約啊該罰錢就罰錢啊是不是你說明一下好不好這個是已經有提出禮約爭議的條件那今天下午要開第四次會議那詳細情形我是請主命主命你看一下你到那邊去的實地狀況好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8982.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
先講這個一個一個來齁動作快一點因為時間的關係朱森國中因為那個黨土莊的爭議就是說地質調查資料到底清不清楚還有打得下去打不下去的這個爭議那目前是停工那現在正在調解當中我也跟地檢署報告啊 |
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8983.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9011.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
老闆在那邊懷疑什麼關山勾結你地檢署趕快給我去查啊他們也知道裡面的狀況大概怎麼回事啦很好笑耶現在這個承辦的組長退休現在動不動你沒有圖利自己也圖利他人會變成什麼呢大家動不動就受壓進見大家怕啊現在都怕啊現在沒有人要跟公務員了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9033.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
他連退就金都沒有了他不可能去搞這個去貪污這個事情嘛是不是你看看進度才2.48這得了啊這樣再拖下去這個國中什麼時候才蓋好啊到時候我們機場已經都弄好了這個還沒弄好咧好再下一頁北竿的棠後大橋棠後大橋你看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9058.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
做了多久?900日立天供期延長延長了700多天為什麼延長700多天?那個昨天秘書去看過了吧?昨天秘書說明一下好不好? |
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9060.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9085.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
跟委員報告目前這個工程已經通車了那因為已經核定展延那根據我們的契約可以展延的情況就是不可歸則於廠商那馬祖包括天后這些等等你看過了嗎包委員我是去現場看那個工程那但是剛剛委員提到的這個展延工期是沒有去了解他的展延工期不能歸則於來下一頁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9113.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
部會規則你看缺工缺料,一共900天光展延工期去了700多天700多天代表什麼?是兩年多勒這原內容是什麼?你看啊預辦火力圖無法取得然後缺工209天疫情去了34天沙石啊因為海象的關係127天 |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
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配合管線什麼配合管線呢這裡面有中華電信台電自來水第四台橋底下要買管線啦要從這個地方到那一頭是不是這裡面很好笑喔中華電信說要排時間台電說他要排他的時間自來水要排自來水的時間通道要排時間全部排完所以唐富道拖了多久拖了兩年多 |
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老闆一說你這是搞什麼飛機啊所以縣長就很倒楣啦非戰之罪啊非戰之罪跟縣長有關係嗎 沒有關係現在選舉要到了網路匿名的信一大堆又官商勾結又幹什麼圖利什麼的我知道是沒有啦你這個就影響到這個事情啊所以主委你派個人 |
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那主委你派人到實地去了解還有今天你們開會啊這個廠商如果都這樣子的話這得了嗎這個案件目前已經啟用了那是驗收中那如果縣府提出理業爭議調解那這個工程會會來協助啦 |
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不是協助你們派個人再去好不好去指導一下還有國中、鄉公所我想不是關馬祖我們都再去幹一次這個工作你們有點責任好不好尤其這個離島離島除了廠商不足之外又缺工缺料然後這些基層的公務員素質又良又不起有的就根本不是搞這個他是當老師嘛 |
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人家老實都不想幹,為什麼呢?被逼瘋了我早上還在跟警察官通電話他說你看還沒完工人跑了,慢慢成辦單位的人為什麼?怕啊,每個公務員都怕啊現在公務員很怕事,你知道嗎? |
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動不動你看檢調單位就收押進鑑什麼圖利什麼一大堆你有沒有先送進去先剝一層皮你知道嗎這很痛苦的所以主委你找這些工程專家到那邊去訓練一下好不好就是政務採購人員我們在特別到馬祖去安排相關的講習我講不只是講習不只是講習 |
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實際上什麼狀況這裡面工程的問題啊協助縣政府好不好好可以可以主委非常感謝好不好準備好謝謝啦好謝謝周委謝謝好非常感謝陳雪生委員好接下來我們要請優化委員發言 |
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謝謝召委那先請工程會陳經理陳主委請陳主委 |
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委員好主委好那因為今天我相關單位的就是業務很多啊所以我簡單的直接就叫工程會的陳主委就是有關於目前的這些預算的部分都有清楚的看過但是實際上他的現在 |
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預算的變略增長幅度達到11.81%可是工地的這個死亡人數跟職災人數並沒有下降那在相關的這個職災的類型啊那主要常見的還是未追防護措施施工價位固定工區防護不足所以還是持續佔有一個高的一個公安的一個 |
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死亡率跟這種傷害的程度那想直接就教一下主委在目前在導入職在資料庫的整合配合工程會配合勞動部的部分那這個部分要如何改善以及AIA的風險預警機制因為預算書上面都有寫那如何能夠實際導入運用在救命跟保護公安的部分 |
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跟委員報告預算增加的部分分成三大部分一個是薪資第二個就是工程訓練在花東舉辦的工程訓練的學問班第三個是AI的相關預算 |
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本會預算相當少會增加是因為這些新增的新增的項目那至於勞安的部分主要是跟勞動部也相關來配合要配合的話如何能夠讓工程會目前的這種就是重大的這種死亡人數能夠下降我們工程會採取的當然是固定的這個查核另外關於這個 |
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這個評選的方式啦 金子獎的評選等等都很重視這個承攬商是不是有曾經發生過這樣的職災或者是死亡的這種職災啦所以那個分數扣得非常重這樣來提醒這樣承攬公務工程的廠商必須特別重視這個治安的問題 |
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那我本身還是在這裡建議就是說如果只有透過查核的部分其實還是不夠那相關資料庫的導入跟勞動部的一個會議的這種溝通的這種整合數據以及包括如何在這種訓練上還能夠讓重大的工程能夠被宣導落實我覺得這個是有精進的空間 |
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那再來AI的預警機制的這個部分現在大家各部會都在講AI那但是AI不應該只呈現在書面之上那應該是在實際上的部分其實有些部會他們在AI的部分的協助上是有一些具體的執行或改良的一個結果啦那所以我是還是建議這部分到時候也是給我們大家更多的一個說明好不好那這個部分不用特別那個那我們就請交通部好了好不好 |
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好 謝謝那有請部長景澄部長你好部長好部長今天您許多的單位其實都有相關的業務但是我就因為時間有限許多的局長署長他們都做得非常不錯那在這裡我直接先問一下14題就是兩岸擴大直航 |
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的這個部分那在政協會之後在會台實踐的一個措施那其實其實有六成五以上的民眾其實都非常期待將來的話都能夠在不管是和平也好或者是有很多的更多繁榮的機會也好 |
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那在這個他們現在會台10點也有提到一個就是擴大航點擴大直航那我想請問一下部長對於這樣子的一個措施來講應該也是表達正向支持嗎像委員報告其實如果有這個需求的話我們當然會盡量來協助因為站在民航的立場我們希望我們不管是通商或者是旅遊的民眾那能夠方便好這個部分我們會來思考好那目前來講在 |
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今年度有沒有跟航空業者還有曾經討論過在兩岸之間尤其是大陸地區的一些城市那有沒有哪些地方是可以來開放新的直航的航電還有開過幾次會議向委員報告這個部分如果業者有需求會主動來跟民航局來提出那目前沒有業者來跟我們提出這方面的需求那部內這邊或是局內這邊有沒有主動來詢問大家對於這個部分有沒有相關的需求 |
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我請局長回答好不好可以基本上因為我們有420班那大陸的業者有197班他已經用了197那我們國籍的業者已經用了110幾班大概55%那國籍業者的部分並沒有特別提出來充分的需要再增加的部分那有沒有找他們曾經詢問過或是聊過在今年度的時候 |
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沒有特別的正式會議那去年度的時候有沒有大部分我們不會針對這個部分去做正式會議因為在這個各國的行權都一樣就是說各國的行權如果業者有提出需求他們認為也要增班不是在這個計畫內的我們會再來做評估 |
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再來過去在馬英九執政時期的時候馬總統執政時期的時候這樣子的一個航運量就是直航的這樣子航運量載客量跟現在比起來的話其實短少許多這個也是沒錯的因為時間有限在商業總會他也呼籲了其實不管是小兩會洽談能夠擴大航線及航點還打破目前兩岸直航僵局 |
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那所以本席還是在這裡因為時間有限也希望部長這邊跟局長這邊能夠來積極協助不管是那個航空業者的一個詢問或者是包括商業總會他們也提出了這樣子的需求那能夠盡量的來協助因為不管是國際也好兩岸也好我相信整個全球的市場都是我們台灣人的市場 |
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所以說在這樣子的一個一個契機的打開希望也能夠換著一個心態能夠部長還能夠主動的來協助相關的業者還能夠讓台灣人不管是在全球的國際或是兩岸的部分都能夠有更多的一個機會我相信這樣子會是更好的一個方向是 好 如果國際的業者有提出來我們會盡量來協助好 OK 謝謝好 我們感謝尤浩委員 |
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接下來我們邀請徐富奎委員發言謝謝主席 邀請我們陳部長 請陳部長 觀光署陳署長 請觀光署陳署長 公路局林局長 公總林局長委員好 |
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部長好 署長好 局長我想現在已經是四月底那終於要開始審總預算我想部長應該跟我們相關的主管 這個五位雜陳這個已經過了 今年已經過了三分之一了才要開始審總預算 |
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那當然對我們來講我們現在看到很多地方的一些重大的一些交通建設也好觀光的一些補助也好我想真的是影響非常非常的巨大那尤其是現在這個全台的T-pass這個通行組的部分月票的這個補助款一直沒有到位那包含我們這個昭緯我們台南市都提到可能都已經有先要舉債來致應的這個狀況 |
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那部長這個部分目前你們掌握狀況各縣市的問題有沒有辦法解決向委員報告我們是希望說五月份就可以來協助地方政府因為很多地方政府在反映如果到了五月還沒有辦法協助他們的話大家有可能會撐不住所以我們現在也正在趕著這個流程我們希望可以趕快讓他在五月份能夠來直接來協助地方政府 |
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這個部分我們現在執行上面當然這是你們的期待但不曉得立法院審查的狀況新興計畫的部分其實我們有那個組總組總已經有針對新興計畫立法院很像有個700多億的會先來優先處理對 會優先來處理那這個部分我們正在走程序當中我們趕快把程序走完就有機會可以來協助那因為我想還是要再特別提到一個部分就是因為我們現在六度跟廢六度的裁員結果真的 |
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那尤其我們屏東縣這個你知道這個我們自主裁員真的有限那所以很多的這個預算很多的經費都必須仰賴中央的一個支持那尤其昨天也謝謝特別謝謝部長到屏東來我想針對上一次委員會我有特別提到那個觀光署的部分我們屏東縣有這個南北雙興的計畫還有微笑南威這些計畫那是不是預算執行過了之後這部分能不能加快來進行署長你的看法 |
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謝謝徐委員很關心這件事情我們也很高興預算中也開始要審了那北回郭玉縣北回之滇圍向南彎這個計畫呢基本上預算沒過之前我們基本上已經組了過萬團把所有的各個重要的預計要完成的公共建設已經先在做預先的採線所以這個部分就等預算通過之後就可以直接啟動了 |
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可以啦 但是現在有一個問題這個觀光的這個雙輪驅動方案原本我們是預定今年度就要推動我們編列了23億左右那因為現在隨著這個我們預算開始省署長 因為有些人的比如說你這個生日的一個優惠券或是一些補助的方案他的生日已經過了怎麼辦 |
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所以基本上我們原本其實生日的這次的活動呢很多人都非常的期待本來光我身邊的朋友大家都很期待自己的生日可以跟觀光署來祝福所以這件事情我們現在可能要再重新調整一下原本當初希望的是最少從二月份開始 |
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那至少可以追認到一月二月一月份開始所以現在這個部分跟生日有關的部分我們可能要想辦法彌補一下一到六月份的這一些生日的人我們可以用一次抽的方式就是說一到十二月份有其他的替代方案對對對我們用抽的方式 |
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我們是每個月份一千個名額用這樣的方式我們已經有這個覆案了嗎對那有些企業的這個員工旅遊的部分已經辦完了怎麼辦 |
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他們可以追加可以追加啦對一年旅遊兩次不為過我想這個我們當然是要刺激鼓勵那相對性我們全台灣的觀光業者大家都期待這樣的一個觀光的一個雙輪驅動的一個方案能夠加快來進行那不過這個我想審完之後已經過了差不多將近我們有很多的半年過了 |
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對 已經過了很多的這個所以感覺上就是好像沒有享受到這樣的一個優惠啦其實是最後我覺得如果是全年度的部分的效益是最高因為我所知道是有些人本來一直上半年在等這個這個方案那現在就變成是他往後了那往後這件事情造成的上半年大家的期待性也是有所落差那還是希望趕快通過因為呢有過總比沒過好 |
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當然我們也期待那另外部長我想針對這個中國十大會台措施那你也特別有談到說要等到這個觀光小兩會現談之後再來確定那這部分因為上一次的小兩會是105年那部長您這部分目前有接到相關的訊息嗎向委員報告觀光小兩會的部分我們在去年已經提出了這個會談的要求到目前為止應該都沒有任何的回覆對岸沒有給我們任何回覆都沒有 |
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目前是沒有所以他們只是口頭講但是實際上並沒有任何的接觸對目前是沒有那這個也是講一套做一套對我們也希望說可以到小兩會來討論我們也希望說陸客如果來台的話他的觀光的品質跟他的安全都必須要顧及到所以我們過去會透過小兩會來討論不過從105年一直到現在小兩會從來沒有正式的來做過會談 |
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部長那因為目前外界評估說這個他們開放上海跟福建居民來自由行嘛一年可以帶來台灣40萬的一個旅客人次將近200億的一個收入那部長個人認為這樣的這個關公的一個績效能夠達到嗎向委員報告其實中國在這個 |
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自己本身的國內的旅遊的部分目前應該是也面臨到很大的壓力啦所以他們在國際上也不斷在搶客在搶客人甚至提出了很多的補助的方案希望更多的國際旅客可以到中國去旅遊因為他目前國旅的壓力也非常非常的大 |
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那到底如果他們開放來台灣可不可以造成這樣子的消費的程度這個部分其實我們還是希望說台灣整體的觀光要走多元發展的方向我們希望各國的旅客都來不要依賴單一市場這個是相當重要因為過去我們曾經走過依賴單一市場的情形當對方把感染支變成棍子在用的時候依賴單一市場就會受到很大的傷害 |
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因為我想那個部長對恆春半島也很熟悉嘛過去我們很多的這個星級飯店甚至高檔民宿也有反應過他們來這個我們的路客來這個不但沒有消費而且這個搞得一團糟也有類似這種情形發生所以我想這個兩極化的做法恐怕也還是要去做省政的評估啦是是沒錯 |
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那最後有個國安的議題還是要請部長注意一下我想我上次有質詢這個高德地圖的事情那也引起很多這個部會的一個重視那我想我們還是要審慎的要求我們相關部會應該要評估這樣的一個機制那另外馬來西亞的這個這個預計要收購Fupenda |
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那但是有人去了解到說這個部分他們有跟中國華為的花瓣地圖有深度的合作甚至有共享圖資的一個協定那部長有沒有掌握這樣的一個狀況他的圖資的部分我不曉得但是有聽說這個集團他要來收購這個訊息有了解 |
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但我看這個部分如果一旦是這樣讓他們進入台灣之後有可能全台灣好幾百萬的這個外送用戶的個資就馬上會透過他們的系統衝到中國大陸這個我想也是一個很嚴重的國安問題我們有沒有針對這個部分先做營運的準備是 向委員報告他的個資防護計畫他們必須要提出來那不過這個收購的部分關係到很多的部會我們會跟其他部會大家一起合作來嚴格來了解這個議題 |
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部長我想這個部份交通部還是責無旁貸你們是一個外送平台的主管機關我想我們應該來主導這個案子然後趕快把相關的部會來做一個整合好不好好沒問題這個我會注意好謝謝我們非常感謝許富奎委員接下來我們邀請許志傑委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我們先請觀光署請陳署長 |
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我們2025觀光術會博覽會在高雄第一次辦那一天本來要請署長下去參觀一下因為當時署長是第一天接署長所以我知道你比較忙所以那一天就沒有請您下去不過其實這一個博覽會風評蠻好的 |
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所以我在想說那一天不管是什麼AI煮拉麵現在除了松山機場有我們高雄機場現在也有另外還有手沖機器人咖啡機器人手沖咖啡那一天其實也有展示效果也還不錯我去調查一下去查一下資料台灣人平均一天喝 |
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一年喝180杯咖啡然後那個韓國人喝500杯咖啡所以其實這個將來這個其實市場應該是蠻大的那一天其實很多高雄的人去參觀以後發現這個其實很多東西都蠻好用的 |
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那包括那個即時翻譯你們現在觀光署也有做出這個即時翻譯的軟體其實不錯所以我想比較有獲得好評的這個博覽會呢那是不是繼續高雄可以繼續辦理 |
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謝謝委員支持 也對我們這個項目的肯定那今年光屬確實還是會在高雄辦廠 預計是在八月所以高雄南部的產業的包含的轉型都是我們非常重視的好 謝謝 所以這個也讓部長知道一下這個我們要高雄繼續辦好 那我們請部長好 請陳世凱部長那再來就是說 |
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跟部長報告一下現在缺工在觀光業缺工真的是蠻嚴重的那整個交通部缺工的狀況其實除了我們觀光署最直接的旅宿業之外 |
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那包括公路局的客運司機包括郵局的跟台鐵公司的員工事實上都缺的相當的嚴重那我想交通部有沒有一個整體的概念就是說對於整體 |
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我們服務業相關缺工的問題可以解決嗎向委員報告當然各個行業其實都在缺工所以我們過去針對這個公車司機客運司機那包含這個旅宿業所需要用的人的部分我們優先考慮國內的這個勞工那我們有很多的方案希望能夠促進大家的這個就業公路局也做了很多公安署也做了很多那不過大家最近會覺得國內的勞工可能還是無法補足 |
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所以我們也跟勞動部在請求協助就是針對橋外生的部分以及移工的部分看怎麼樣來補充我們這方面的人力那目前在觀光的部分應該五月或六月就有機會可以有這個橋外生或者是移工可以進來來做協助那公路客運的這個司機的部分目前我們還跟勞動部正在討論當中我現在有個具體的想法跟部長商量一下 |
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比如說像我們的旅宿業 旅宿業的問題其實就是禮拜一到禮拜五的客人比較少那所以他們要請工也請得不足嘛那旅宿業我們現在那個國內旅遊補助就是這一次的預算會審查到 |
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這個部分那個部長跟署長這個部分是不是有跟大家講一下這個如何來協助國內旅宿業的發展 |
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謝謝委員關心國內現在目前的國旅基本上是朝向過度集中都是在連續假期或者是禮拜六禮拜天這樣狀況在造成說我們在平日的部分就相對比較少所以今年這次的擴大內訓就是針對平日的住宿提供補助我認為國旅最適合就是三天兩夜起首日 |
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所以我們第一天補800第二天補1200就是希望說讓國人多留一天這樣才比較能真正的認識跟那個去旅遊因為只有兩天一夜坦白講第一天都匆匆忙忙睡個覺吃個飯大概就結束了那個旅程所以我們認為三天兩夜是最適合的國旅 |
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我想李樹葉的勞工問題現在我們也有可以申請了嘛對不對對這個基本上有一直在所以這個部分已經有改進了那這個國內補助旅遊補助也希望說那個在野黨各黨可以同意啦那我們交通部跟觀光署會比較好做事謝謝這個部分我們希望說有聽到的在野黨委員可以盡量的協助好那再來第三個就是公車公車 |
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現在客運也真的是人司機都不夠嘛那我想請部長跟局長研究一下我們高雄市的幸福巴士跟幸福小房其實這個措施蠻好的就是你今天大車的司機不夠那小車其實幸福巴士跟幸福小房它不需要大車的駕照嘛 |
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那有一些偏鄉事實上也不需要用大車去浪費太多的能源有時候你到偏鄉一台大車賺不到幾個人所以如果說用這樣子一個方式公路局是不是有去研商有沒有機會可以調整 |
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這個部分我大概分兩個部分跟委員報告一個部分是公務局自己主管的公務客運那另外一個部分是地方的市區客運那這兩個範疇的路線基本上都是往委員現在建議的方向在做這個調整 |
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那第一個部分的話就我們自己公路客運的部分其實有很多定期定班的班線沒辦法開的話現在譬如說在彰化在這一個這個嘉義地區的部分我們都轉換成這個所謂幸福巴士這樣子預約的方式來做處理然後在市區客運的部分尤其剛剛委員所提到在高雄市大概 |
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這個小王公車的部分大概佔了很大的這個比例這個也大概是當時公務局跟交通局這一個合作就是針對高雄市比較偏鄉這些山區的鄉村來做一個處理所以在南部地區屏東跟高雄現在的這一個就是說用小車來做一個處理來替代大車的這個部分的話目前是做得蠻成功的那後面這個 |
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在明年我們希望達到部長所說的鄉鄉有公車那這個公車的部分裡面大概會有在偏鄉的部分有一大部分比例就是用這樣的方式來做一個處理所以從大車缺員轉換成小車的駕駛來這個補足對 所以讓部長知道一下其實這個從我們高雄市應該是陳菊市長任內嘛那時候開始推事實上真的是效果不錯那我認為說一個效果不錯的政策應該推廣到全國嘛 |
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那剛剛局長報告的目前有朝這個方向那另外就是說在跨縣市的部分因為局長剛剛提到就是說縣市自己處理嘛對不對那跨縣市的部分現在有處理嘛 |
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跨縣市的部分我們也鼓勵朝這個方向來做處理譬如說舉個例子台中的和平山區他本來就是幸福小王在那邊但是山區一跨過來就到南投所以我們也鼓勵南投縣政府跟台中市政府那現在有一條線就是直接用幸福巴士來做這個跨縣市聯營的這樣子的一個方式 |
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那所以未來比如說剛剛委員所提到如果說像在高雄市地區跟屏東這邊剛好在山區有相隔這部分的話我們會跟高雄市跟屏東新政府來研議看看如何鼓勵他們如何做一個整合 |
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我的意思是說請局長跟部長大概可以思考一下114年公路局補助公路客運8.2億元也就是說反正虧了8.2億元所以這個部分就由我們去補助那我去了解最大的問題應該是跨縣市的問題 |
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那跨縣市你要地方政府做他自己的縣市內的事可能要叫他跨縣市除非是我們公路局除免溝通或者是坐東 |
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才有機會把這個跨縣市的問題做一個連接所以我是認為說這8.2億的經費來改成怎麼樣去調整變成幸福巴士或幸福小黃然後跨縣市的公路局可能辛苦一點怎麼樣去溝通縣市 |
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那怎麼樣去補助然後這8.21元可以解決的就是說一來節省能源可以有更高的效率二來這個包括司機缺工的問題也可以解決所以我是認為這一個方案 |
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可能需要交通部跟公路局再做一個更詳細的研究那這樣子可以解決這些問題我想都是皆大歡喜眾人之福所以這個方向是不是請那個公路局也研議把它擴大增加班次這樣好不好 |
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委員這個建議非常好我們跟地方政府共同來合作朝這個方向來那我們希望說下次有機會就可以看到成果給我們報告一下好是有一點壓力有一點成果的時間的壓力那個公路局就會比較積極啦那當然也辛苦你們了我想這個是對的方向需要我們一起去努力報告委員公路局業務都非常積極好謝謝感恩好非常感謝許智傑委員 |
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接下來我們邀請陳青榮委員發言好 謝謝主席我們邀請部長請陳世凱部長還有我們台灣港務公司的總經理港務公司中華郵政的王董事長潮汽的范總經理 |
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台鐵的鄭董事長淘機的范總經理我們台鐵的鄭董事長好 謝謝主席 謝謝我想最近無人機的產業就變成一個很重大的議題 |
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那我們交通部我看到我們115年度的預算我們交通部有編列預算補助我剛剛邀請我們這四個單位這個無人機的一個預算那在這個過程我想要了解每個單位的補助來我那個簡報下一頁每個單位的補助 |
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我們就發覺到中華郵政補助了他八千八百萬台鐵補助一百零五萬港務公司八百八十萬淘機七百一十萬那補貼補助給國道基金一千五百一十四萬五千元每個單位的金額差距非常的大 |
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那我想要了解就我們經濟部在我們去年行政院有宣布要將無人載具的產業發展應用納入國家的重要政策由經濟部來主導投資442億來進行無人機產業跨部會的一個協作協助我們產業升級那我們交通部很配合今年就編 |
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就給我們剛剛我談到的這幾個事業單位也好我們的部門也好編了這樣的一個預算那在這裡我請教我們編列這樣的預算的根據在哪裡105萬台鐵跟中環郵政港務公司淘汰了710萬這個預算怎麼去區分啊為什麼台鐵才105 |
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我是不是請交通部長你要回答還是台鐵公司像委員報告台鐵公司給我們的這個資料裡面他這個105萬所使用的是教育訓練還有橋樑邊坡建築設施的巡查用無人機去巡查所以教育訓練有放在裡面所以教育訓練有在裡面對教育訓練也放在裡面包括教育訓練才105萬所以那個無人機是要買 |
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現在編給我們的105萬我們準備買7架那我們的公務段全台灣我們有7個公務段每一個公務段有一架來做這個巡檢所以一個公務段一架 |
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目前我們已經有兩架了所以我們這些需要的話我們再增加所以台鐵就一百零五萬就夠了就對了還包括人員的信念而且這個人員還要有證照我再幫台鐵你爭取喔你自己說有搞得好來中華郵政跟港務公司我就有一點意見 |
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我這邊來請教我們運輸研究所當初我們對無人機的一個運用我們運輸研究所在112年到115年就有編列預算計畫來針對中華 |
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郵政及我們的這個港務局就針對用無人機啊來做這個運用那這個包括我們的效益評估、成效評估包括我們的技術指引能不能落地實際來運用應援所這邊有結婚了嗎 |
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跟委員報告那事實上從112年到113年我們做所謂的那個整個技術的這個驗證到了去年到今年我們跟中華郵政做兩件事情一個就是這個物流的配送我們在屏東還有在花蓮另外一個另外是緊急物資的運送 |
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那經過這兩年之後那我們就應該會把這樣的一個實際的驗證變成商業營業可以落地商業來使用 已經確定了嗎還沒有嘛 我要你講這個答案還沒有 港務局的OK了嗎港務公司的OK了嗎 營業所的 你們的評估 你們的指引 |
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也確定了嗎是 報告委員都還沒有嘛在技術上是可以 但是民航局那邊的是不是讓民航局說明一下我還沒有請到民航局啊我現在還在確定運營研究所你針對港務公司針對我們的這個中環郵政啊確定還沒辦法商業的使用啊我們的技術指引 成效評估都還沒有啊那你交通部 你就 |
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預算要給他們買那今年坦白講我們現在才省預算沒有錯但是已經到這個快過一半了嘛那你現在便在幾年那還沒有確定那你就要確定要買要怎麼買 |
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報告委員這個技術上已經都沒有問題了所以他們買當然沒問題啊他們本來就應該要預算給的就可以買要買幾架怎麼賣怎麼落地怎麼實際去應用來這個落地這個落地必然就會有說明你能保證立刻買立刻使用立刻使用我沒意見 |
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跟委員報告 你保證就好中環郵政已經跟應援所大概有 應援所剛剛講的還沒有結論還沒有結論 你要保證 預算給你就用 你要買幾架今年十架 買什麼基金買數量十架我確定了嘛 還沒有採購但是我跟委員報告 今年最重要我們是想要固定路線就是過去都是分點的這個測試 今年會固定路線來分確定國際號 你中環郵政 那港澳公司呢 |
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我們是港區巡檢,酒駕你要買酒駕?對,是沒交代好,你確定就好那我再來問陶琪 |
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桃機你買無人機要幹什麼根據我們的民航法第99條規定桃機桃園機場包括進航區包括現航區包括我們航空站一定距離都是禁止無人機的一個活動那我請問桃機你買無人機要幹什麼 |
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跟委員報告我們陶磯目前這個預算準備是買三套那三套的話是它的功能主要設定是在巡場一些巡視跟監控的這個功能所以我們設計的功能會比較高要跟民航局申請才能飛還是你陶磯自己就可以飛在進航區可以飛 |
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這個部分一定會再配合依照規定來提出申請我想我們本身台灣機場對無人機的使用是一個非常嚴肅的一個課題所以我們有建置相關的防制系統相關未來的一個使用的話自然一定要依照規定跟民航局提出申請好我在這裡會提出這樣的一個質疑 |
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我們從台鐵只要一百零五萬就包括人員的訓練在裡面然後到中華郵政他要多少錢 要八百萬有沒有包括人員訓練我不知道台鐵港務公司要八百八十萬人員訓練有沒有包括我不知道淘機要七百一十萬有沒有包括人員訓練來 同樣都要購買無人機 |
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整個單價整個項目整個系統我們沒辦法很精確在這個過程當中我就要跟交通部這邊也要特別來提醒我想無人機的操作需要專業人員需要證照這一部分一定要考慮那每一個無人機它的迭代更新很快它更新很快它可能在一年兩年 |
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他的一個節債更新又有更好更景仰的還沒有用到一定現在就要賠預算就要買嘛就是我剛剛講的中華郵政 |
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對不對 還有沒有趕戶公司應援手中還沒有很確定喔還沒有結論你就要編就要買這個真的要考量到預算真的編列的需求跟他的起搏性這是編列預算的一個基本問題他也需要先買來然後要做測試跟人員訓練您剛剛一直在提醒人員訓練跟測試這個部分如果沒有無人機進來那沒有辦法做訓練也沒有辦法做測試所以我們是希望說 |
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我最主要要提醒一點不要經濟部花了400多億來輔助我們無人機的產業然後我們工部門每個部門都要編無人機的預算去幫經濟部輔導的廠商來買無人機用公務預算來支持無人機產業用公務預算來買無人機產業每個部會每個單位都要買我就要 |
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各三位注意到這樣的一個情況好 謝謝謝謝部長好 我們感謝陳清榮委員好 接下來我們邀請黃建豪召委發言 |
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好謝謝主席主席我們要先請交通部陳士凱部長請陳部長我們公路局林福山局長林福山局長鐵道局楊振軍局長楊局長觀光署陳玉秀署長陳署長民航局何書平局長民航局何書平局長 |
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好 謝謝部長一開始還是要先就教上次我們質詢然後包含總諮詢的時候我都有跟你們問過一件事情就是交通部其實在去年核定了交通部提報的商車期間計畫要擴大運具轉型要做相關補助那再給你們回你們回覆給本席辦公室的條文的那個內容提到說 |
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交通部納入116年度的預算編列還115年度預算需求當然我們今天討論的審查的是115年度的這個預算因為在去年9月核定的這個所謂的商務車的相關的補助當然在115年度預算沒看到但你們說要116年度開始來執行受力補助作業但我們問的說中間這一年的空窗期就114年9月30號到116年中間等於115年是空白的嘛 |
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那我想要問一件事那115年的相關的採購這些商用車他到時候能不能回溯在你編116年度的時候這115年度預算需求能不能用來回溯到今年過來可以回溯嗎向委員報告因為當時核定的時候是去年9月去年9月其實來不及編列在今年的預算所以我們當然今年在年底之前我們會完成整個補助要點在年底一定會完成讓業者有一個依據可以來申請 |
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那但是預算在明年度的部分就會把它編列進去不過我一直在關心的沒有錯包含這個總諮詢您也有提到希望說前面這一段有沒有辦法來協助業者那目前我們部裡面的討論是目前還沒有找出可以協助的方案因為實際上預算裡面就沒有這一筆那這個部分是不是局長 |
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委員這個部分我再跟委員報告一下因為裡面齁這個車種相當多啦這個計程車有電動小貨車電動大貨車還有電動大客車還有輕能車那這裡面就是說電動大客車還有輕能車的部分目前都已經在這個補助了所以這個往前持續做 |
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然後電動小貨車跟電動大貨車當時是配合這個國內國產化技術的落地的一個這個時程然後提報整體的一個計畫那原來在計畫裡面對於電動小貨車補助跟電動大貨車補助的數量跟其中的騎乘也會不一樣這個部分 |
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那但是一個這個原則的部分就是說計畫核定完之後才會依照計畫來編這個預算那這個編完預算之後相關的補助辦法出來就會這個啟動那這個部分我跟委員報告其實在補助電動大客車還有補助氫燃料電池的大客車的時候大概都按照這個 |
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一個程序來走啦那所以相關業界的部分大概都知道這個程序所以相關的一個如果說業者真的需要採購的車輛或等等的部分他們大概對於這個部分大概也會預先做確實啦就是他們知道這個過程嘛我現在沒關係因為今天時間有限那我覺得你還是要去思考這個問題因為你在去年9月30號核定了這樣子的計畫那如果計畫是到116年度才要進來的話我們 |
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就是本位我們自己換位思考一下你現在買車就我上次提過的載車可能定價商定價一百多萬政府補助五十萬這補助明年才會來那我怎麼可能今天買車我今年一定不會買嘛我一定明年才買嘛那等於今年的這個業績或今年的這個是政府鼓勵他們去提報的政府鼓勵他們開發的那今年一整年的產能我想就是白費掉了我覺得這個是交通部在訂相關的這個補助要去思考的啦可以嗎後續我覺得大家再溝通一下開始要把這個沒有錯啦一年的課長補起來 |
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業界也是很希望可以趕快來協助他們那這個部分我們持續來研議看看看有沒有辦法找到方法好 部長謝謝那接下來這個高鐵特區的問題還要強調一下這個當然大家都期待也感謝我們鐵道局來地方來開發這個 |
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商場促進地方經濟發展包含說我之前也跟局長也聊到這事情 局長也提到說部長提到說這個能夠為台中帶來非常多的就業機會跟稅收這個都沒問題 真的很支持可是今天要提出來是因為高鐵特區的交通此時此刻就包含本市早上來上班的時候 |
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這個早上塞車回去待會晚上下午回去也會塞車因為今天是連假前一天嘛所以一定也會塞車所以光是現在沒有百貨商場沒有飯店的情況下就已經塞得這麼嚴重了所以現有的道路系統我們希望說未來 |
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這個鐵道局在那邊有做一個這樣商業開發未來這個百貨商場蓋起來這個飯店蓋起來它的交通的這個評級一定會更嚴重那今天土地是鐵道局的高鐵也是我們交通部中央單位74號快速高鐵也是中央單位就周邊的所有交通系統跟那個土地都是中央單位 |
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那我也是我們一直在爭取說從去年就匯勘去年大概3月4月也協商也匯勘也希望爭取相關的補助那到今年這預算當然沒進來我也不知道明年會不會放進來這個完整的這個整個運輸的這個部分整個交通疏導的部分到底交通部不管鐵道局也好不管公路局也好你們有沒有要出錢來幫助台中解的這個問題 |
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部長 向委員報告我們12號鐵道局跟公路局跟台中市政府會來做一個協商會來做開會來做討論因為過去很多委員都很關心我們也很關心所以希望說大家再來會商一下那其實這個事情只要地方政府 |
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可以循這個程序啦例如說他提出可行性研究那研究完之後再向公路局提出申請跟要求我們就有機會來達成那這個部分我們還是希望說地方政府可以來做這個可行性研究的部分 |
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這個一定會做啦只是說第一個我還是要講這我立場市府沒有這樣講但我認為這個可行性研究這個做了就是就在拖時間啦坦白說這就是需求嘛我們現在就在做啦程序上還是把它做清楚所以到時候如果雜到要做那它落墩應該落在哪裡那它的效益到底可以成立到多少的效益這個可行性研究裡面就可以看得出來 |
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好沒關係部長該做的還是要做但是我覺得這個一定要趕快把它執行下去我也跟部長說明這個在2024年10月14號交通委員會提案裡面包含我們在場我們郡縣招委還有何新淳委員蔡理參委員他們都簽名他們也有這個提案所以我想這是不分黨派台中地區交通大家都關心的不是只有國民黨委員提我想 |
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所以我們也希望跟地方政府一起合作把程序走好然後我們該做的都會來做好 最後一分鐘喔那個最近有提到台中機場的所謂這個旅客服務中心的問題啊這個看部長或是署長你們知不知道台中機場有幾個單位有放旅客服務中心 |
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向委員報告目前是觀光署跟地方的觀光局台中市政府觀光局還有一個單位就是你們這個交通部民用航空站台中航空站也有旅客諮詢服務處換句話說此時此刻台中機場有三個單位 |
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有旅客服務中心有三個單位在那邊第一個我要講的是說今天提出來的希望能夠做一個整合因為台中機場說真的現在也沒有很大但是有三個單位各自有不同的時間不同的單位 不同的業務然後旅客 對旅客來講今天你作為一個國際旅客你來到台灣 你來到台中機場你一出你的紮口 |
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你要找旅客服務中心的時候你不會管這是交通部管的這是觀光署管的還是台中市觀旅局管的你只會看到說這是旅客服務中心所以這個東西第一個應該要做整合那第二個再第二個是說整個航班的問題現在當然以今天為例今天六點以後的航班大概這樣百分之三十二有十七個班是晚上點後抵達台中但是不管是台中市的觀旅局還是中央觀光署在六點後當然這個就沒有就沒有開了目前為止就沒開了所以這些旅客如果是國際旅客他就不知道找誰所以我覺得在這個調配上面第一個 |
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你現在分三個單位在開這個開設旅客服務中心如果你可以把它整合成一個單位你的人力你的經費的資源的配置就比較好比較整合吧就不會說今天關聯局六點要下班關公署六點要下班交通部要拖到交通部比較辛苦交通部的你們的服務站是開到晚上我看幾點六點你們開比較晚你們開到十一點開到十一點比較辛苦一點所以 |
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同樣的 你的功用都是為了服務這些國際旅客為了服務來到機場旅客那同樣的人力 那分三個單位如果能夠把它整合在一起我想在經費上 人力配置上是比較能夠節省相關的資源是 謝謝委員 這個建議很好我們5月上旬會邀集地方政府的觀光局跟觀光署 還有民航局大家一起來討論這個議題我們希望對於旅客的服務可以周全因為那個機場也大概飛到10點 11點左右 |
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那在那個之前我們都希望有人可以服務 這個我們會來整合好 部長謝謝 各位謝謝我們謝謝黃建豪 趙偉好 接下來我們邀請好 那接下來我們邀請楊瓊英委員發言 |
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感謝主席 也要請部長我們請陳世凱部長 |
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延續剛剛也就是我們台中國際機場的旅遊服務據點這個議題的確因為我們要配合的整個旅客的一個需求以及實際航班延長服務的這個案子 |
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那所以呢 我們既然是一個國際機場 我們就是應該要有國際的一個服務當旅客下來的時候 六點找不到人 五點找不到人 這個邏輯很奇怪 是不是啊 部長所以在這樣的一個情況之下 我們目前 陸境大廳是有兩處的一個旅遊據點這個服務據點 |
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那在這樣的情況之下我們總歸希望能夠跟國際接軌我們也希望能夠跟高雄跟台北大家都是國際機場就應該有一樣等級的一個服務旅客部長您的看法呢 |
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好 謝謝委員的關心這個議題我們在5月上旬觀光署跟台中市政府的觀光局還有民航局會來召開一個會議大家來整合彼此之間所使用的人力因為目前台中市政府的觀光局是兩位 |
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那人力的這個預算是由觀光署來補貼來補助那觀光署自己本身也有派兩位人員在那個地方那我們希望說大家把它整合好整合好之後我們希望在國際旅客進來的隨時啦都會有這個呃服務旅客服務的這個這個人員可以在現場可以服務這個效能嘛這個是我們在國際機場裡頭基本的一個條件嘛這基本一個條件就朝著這個目標這個我們來做 |
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我們到高雄人家高雄都是下來就有人服務我們的六點以後沒人服務這不能這樣子的啊這個我們必須要趕快來做這國盟會丟臉不可以如此所以我們就剛剛達成這個共識大家關心也就是真正要朝這個方向去執行之沒有錯我們五月開完會之後會立刻來做改善好 |
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立刻做改善讓這個全世界的人回到我們台中來都有這個國際級的一個基本標準的一個服務嘛因為我們看到高雄就是如此為什麼我們不是呢所以這個標準要一致希望五月中旬就趕快來落實謝謝接下來我要跟你討論的一個是獨家的問題 |
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因為我們知道4月26號呢這個酒駕致死的人數是下降那我們也很感恩還要再持續努力因為很多的這個宣導之後而且呢有了這個罰則之後我們看了成效他的人數呢這個是這個傷亡的人數死傷的人數是往下降但是新的威脅是什麼獨駕 |
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我看到這個數字今年僅1月份就有4個死亡去年不長 去年死1個我們光光1月份就有4個這怎麼會是如此這麼嚴重呢所以你今年也將獨駕列為頭號的交通公共威脅 |
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要比照酒駕來共列為危險的這個駕駛防制那這個方向是對的因為我們看到獨駕的釀成的人數呢去年11人受傷有132人連警方都說啊黑戶的不知道還多少部長重點在這裡 |
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沒有報出來的絕對會比這個還讓我們恐懼啊所以這個不能如此在這樣的一個情況之下我要請教部長獨家它不是意外它絕對不是意外對於公共這個安全呢它是極度的不負責任的一個行為我們社會絕對是不能忍受的對不對是沒錯不能忍受的時候那我政府要怎麼做我們要怎麼做 |
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法則的部分是不是要拿出來討論執行面是不是需要來討論因為既然還有連警方都說還有很多的黑戶沒有產生出來那我們要怎麼做請教部長好 報告委員 |
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我們目前的罰則其實就像我們之前所說過的當然要比照這個酒駕我們的罰則跟這個檢測跟這個攔檢的部分絕對會有效果像酒測的部分他的死亡的下降的比例非常快為什麼下降比例非常快因為有重罰再加上嚴格的執法這個部分有看出效果 |
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所以獨駕的部分也是一樣所以我們現在跟內政部也正在討論五月份我們也會開會來討論除了現在我們的交通部所定的罰則之外那連坐的這個處罰要不要再加進來要不要再加進來那這個部分我們五月份會跟內政部再做討論那執法的部分當然是內政部警政署在負責我們也會跟他們討論看執法的部分怎麼樣再去加強你可能還要再加一個 |
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也就是你從根源應該要強化網路跟社群平台的一個查緝因為你針對網路代購、社群販售的這個管道專案去偵查你要搭配警政、數位等相關單位你一方面從現實面去偵查法律面怎麼樣去加強、加嚴 |
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另外一方面你從根源來做起你把根源拿掉它的獨家的機率就會比較少那在這樣的情況之下你從根源去瓦解這個供應鏈所以本席具體建議你應該要建立一個獨家專案的一個取締跟檢測 |
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因為現在的科技越來越日新越易越能夠檢測出來所以你必須要加強你獨家的這個檢驗查緝的這個強度你才能夠更積極的來取締啊尤其現在科技偵測非常的清楚而且非常有效能這些都必須要加入進來你的看法呢 |
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報告委員您這個建議非常好那目前內政部已經有起這個專案因為執法面是在內政部他們有起這個專案有邀集內政部以外就是法務部再加上交通部那我們交通部一定會積極來跟他們來一起來應對這個議題 |
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所以獨家的代價我們要說政府的責任在於讓毒蟲不敢上路啊這個就是本席剛才所說的我們從源頭去把它瓦解然後從執行面去加強力道才能夠真正保障人民的一個安全啊 |
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五月中旬你們要討論是不是既然我們提出是今年的重點重點偵測那我們就務必要達到好 我們把你們討論的方案也給本席我們一起來杜絕 謝謝好 謝謝委員那我們感謝楊瓊英委員好 接下來我們鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員不在好 我們邀請邱若華委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 請主席邀請交通部陳部長 高工局陳局長高工局 高速公路局 |
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今天和您討論陽梅休息站根據院會的調查報告他有指出那這個路段有明確的特性他動線辨識不易然後他的標誌標線也是密集的在高速下要短時間判斷路線而且短曲線 |
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的末端到分隔島的距離有限路間也很窄所以運安會的結論是交通工程未能有效緩和風險那同時呢高工局的說法是只要遵守限速還有標誌標線就可以安全通過那這是高工局的說法是嗎 |
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向委員報告這個運安會他們調查出來的結果他的報告的主要的部分是本案事故直接照應為駕駛人可能啟用ADAS功能那為注意前車狀況而且這邊先請教局長您知道這個地方它發生幾起事故嗎 |
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有跟委員報告我們有統計大概就是10件11件左右不過是4年來的那也跟委員報告因為運安會其實整個的就像我這邊看到這個路段2021年啟用它發生多起事故一直到2025年去年是44傷然後才啟動調查那運安會那邊了解到的是14起那您知道有幾次是因為AIDAS系統所引起的嗎 |
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因為ADAS的這一個就是剛開始就是在那個事件還有警方在做相關記錄的時候並沒有特別去做相關的記錄因為我看到原案會的調查報告他說的是可能所以這邊這10多起的事故都是因為沒有遵守限數跟標誌標線所以沒有安全通過嗎 |
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院會主要是調查就是那個去年的這一個就是那一個撞那個分隔島的那一次死傷事件所以那一次的死傷事件因為他有這個相關的這個事件的相關的一些紀錄包括他的速度還有就是說他們有去那個去了解就是說是不是有可能是針對那一起事故嗎可是這個10多起都是發生在這個路段沒有錯嗎是 |
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那院會他報告就講很清楚這個路段他的內外車道都是直線而且都是銜接不同直接銜接不同的閘道所以駕駛不容易發覺他們就是已經進入到閘道那在這樣子高速的行駛下那短時間又要看那麼多的密集的標誌跟標線還要決定當下就要決定他們的行駛路線那這在專業上被認定是什麼局長您知道嗎 |
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因為所有的這個道路的線型跟相關的設計的話我們都有經過檢核也符合我們聽到有經過檢核可是對駕駛來說就是認知當下的認知是高符合的而且一旦判斷錯誤他們就沒有修正的空間那現在的交通的工程最基本的原則是人都會犯錯的可是他們要犯的錯不能嚴重到會致命所以這也就是容錯設計所以想請教高工局的容錯設計在哪裡 |
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沒有跟跟我們報告因為就是說呃大概就是說呃我們之前大概工程呢符合規範所以呃我們在去年的十二月我們也做了相關的優化的設計是我如果看到高工具去年在去年十二月年底的時候完成優化的設計可是那最近一次的事故是發生在什麼時候局長您知道嗎 |
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最近的那一次的話其實是我了解是我們優化之後因為有一部車子它去優化之後也就是今年的1月嗎還是一樣在它是酒駕因為它撞到我們的休息區裡面其他的車輛是對那它當時的車數您知道是多少嗎 |
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車速的部分目前沒有因為報告也有指出在該路段它通常都是從它時速是100然後馬上要降到限速60所以這邊也請教部長一個問題如果一個設計在完全不能犯錯的情況下才叫安全那這樣的設計它算安全嗎 |
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12919.676 |
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報告委員我們都會有容錯空間那您在建議的部分應該是說希望容錯空間再做更大一點再做更大一點目前我們有做初步的改善所以那個地方您剛剛所提到的那個車禍是因為酒駕因為酒駕不是容錯空間的問題那我們還要再看一段時間就是說我們目前的改善有沒有達到可以降低死亡的這個狀況我們希望能夠達到降低死亡之後會到現場高工局你們這邊會一起共同進行健看嗎 |
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12938.658 |
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已經有安排了嗎對 已經勘查過了然後所以就是說相關優化另外就是運營會其實在這一次的報告主要是希望就是說未來在一些規劃設計包括容錯的部分做一些交通安全的檢核制度那這個部分部裡面包括我們高中局跟運營所其實都有在往前進了 |
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是 因為已經發生太多啟事故意 請部長跟局長要再重視那這邊部長和局長也可以先請回座休息那我這邊邀請鐵道局楊局長還有高鐵公司台鐵公司鄭董事長請台鐵鄭董事長 |
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12964.481 |
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12986.239 |
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委員好 局長好 局長您知道內地臨時軌道切換的問題嗎了解雖然你們事前已經有發布訊息了 也表示你們你們當時有沒有就是可以預見說當時越台人潮會比較急有有比較急 那你們有做過相關的評估嗎有對 董事長是 這個事情我們跟 |
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13005.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
鐵道局我們有做相當多的這個這邊先向董事長您了解那你們也知道這個月台要封閉嘛那周邊的交通也會連帶受影響那你們有沒有實際去計算就是說這個月台封閉之後你們每小時可以容納多少旅客那實際在尖峰時刻進出的旅客是多少 |
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13006.048 |
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13028.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
我們有評估那這整個影響到大概會到2到3分鐘只有2到3分鐘嗎因為地方的民眾那通勤組他們說他們看了七台的火車經過之後我跟委員報告我剛才講的是在站上的旅客等候的時間那我們在月台上所造成的所造成的延誤呢你們有沒有一併的評估進去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
13043.254 |
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有 那知道剛才委員提到平交道的話我們了解這個情況以後我們確實知道在27號的時候我們有看到這個平交道可能要等到七個車次那我們在28號跟鐵道局兩趟快會商 |
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13071.154 |
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那我們就在那天晚上就決定了就開始從29號開始啊我們就做了兩個很重要的一個決定就是說呢我們在安全無慮的之下我們提高我們的速度從40到60同時呢我們在這個尖峰時段減班減班的那個運行也就是說我們在北早上尖峰時段我們減了南下的一班好沒關係謝謝董事長您的說明到這邊我這邊也和局長確認因為這個工程會到6月7號所以到6月7號之前 |
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13090.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
台鐵台鐵和我們鐵道局然後還有我們台灣市政府的交通局你們在4月28號有沒有一起共同進行討論過跟委員報告我想這段時間到6月7號這個工程它可以如期如質如實的 |
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13115.312 |
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這個後續還有一個所謂的倒岔的橫渡線的增設工程那這個部分現在我們還在跟桃園市政府還有台鐵公司這邊來做持續的這樣的一個協商但是這兩天所採取的所有的改善作為我們已經很清楚可以看到評價到的這個遮蔽率跟這個通行的狀況已經得到相當的改善了也就是透過道路紅綠燈的相關的這個 |
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那再請我們鐵道局跟台鐵然後就是密切的和我們地方要保持這個我們一定會高度的來去重視這個問題不管是在月台上面還是鐵道周邊是是是都不要影響到我們這我們一定會高度來重視這個問題好沒有問題好謝謝董事長好我們謝謝邱樂華委員好接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
13141.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
13169.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
紅玉祥 紅玉祥委員不在賴士寶 賴士寶 賴士寶委員不在葉元之 葉元之 葉元之委員不在蔡易瑜 蔡易瑜 蔡易瑜委員不在好 我們登記諮詢的委員均已發言完畢做以下決定第一 報告及詢討完畢第二 委員紅玉祥所提的書面諮詢列入紀錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
13190.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
三 我們委員於諮詢中要求提供的相關書面資料或未及答覆的部分 請工程會及交通部及相關單位盡速以書面答覆接下來請醫事人員宣讀討論事項13 有關交通部114年度附屬單位預算解凍案共議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
13192.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
13215.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
十三 處理一百一十四年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案記憶案交通部函檢送台灣港務股份有限公司決議第一項正途包裝代理及加工費預算凍結十分之一專案報告專案報告案宣讀完畢請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有 謝謝那我們就同意動之提報院會 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
13219.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
13238.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
針對今天的會議我們做以下的決議討論四項一到十二案報告及詢討完畢另則其進行處理委員提案截止的時間第九案港務公司及第十二案航港建設基金於五月二十一日下午兩點截止收件 |
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13250.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
我們第10案國道基金及第11案觀光發展基金於5月29號下午2點截止收件其餘均依議事日程所定的時間來辦理 散會 |