| IVOD_ID |
17392 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17392 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T08:31:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T12:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:23:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eae2f02a5732d1cf8db6918ac9a8133975b1d480c4e0b4ea52819d5b00e803949b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海洋委員會海洋保育署、國家海洋研究院部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款海洋委員會、海洋保育署部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金－海洋污染防治基金。
【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年4月27日(星期一)中午12時截止收件。】
【另本會115年4月23日台立內字第1154000532號函，相關預算提案截止收案時間延長至4月27日(星期一)中午12時。】
【4月29日、30日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
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08:31:01 - 12:55:00 |
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谢谢观看 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員10人,已足法定人數好,現在開會進行報告事項,請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期內政委員會第八次全體委員會議議事錄時間115年4月23日星期四上午99分至11時1分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員王美惠委員等13人列席委員林倩琪委員等8人列席官員內政部部長劉世芳暨相關人員中央選舉委員會代理主任委員吳榮輝暨相關人員司法院民視廳法官廖佩玲 |
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法務部檢察官李紫棋主席料召集委員先詳報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項一繼續審查公職人員選舉罷免法第26條條文修正常案案等五案二繼續審查總統副總統選舉罷免 |
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罷免法第26條條文修正草案等兩案決議一公職人員選舉罷免法等五案一第26條含修正動議保留二並按協商完略拟據審查報告提報院會討論須交由黨團協商並推請廖召集委員先詳於院會討論時作補充說明二總統副總統選舉罷免法等兩案 |
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一 第26條 趙委員李博義等7人所提修正動議通過二 審查通過之條文 條次引述條文之文字及相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理三 並按審查完略擬拒審查報告 提報院會討論不須交由黨團協商並推請廖昭吉委員先詳於院會討論時做補充說明 宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有錯誤?好,我們等一下再來確定好,那我們就確定議事錄繼續進行討論事項,請宣讀報告事項 |
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本日議程所列報告事項和討論事項合併詢答報告事項二邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況和上會期臨時提案辦理情形並被質詢討論事項一審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分二審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會 |
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海巡署及所屬海洋委員會海洋保育署國家海洋研究院部分3審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款海洋委員會海洋保育署部分4審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金海洋污染防治基金宣讀完畢 |
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好現在介紹在場委員及列席官員首先想臨近想早來我們許中信委員我們王美惠委員好那我們今天在場列席的官員先介紹海委會主委管碧玲管主委政務副主委兼海巡署署長張忠榮 |
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常務副主委吳興修副主委我們中和規劃處處長郭敬興國處長海域安全處處長陳朝陽科技文教處處長林立英國際發展處處長李珊瑩海洋資源處處長吳龍進 |
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海保署署長陸曉雲國家海洋研究院院長陳章林還有我們今天來的包含海巡署的北部分署中部分署南部分署東部分署金馬鵬分署跟東南沙分署的分署長謝謝 |
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我們艦隊分署還有增防分組分署長今天也有列席謝謝還有我們教育訓練測考中心主任方主任 |
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接下來因為今天急著要趕快可以不但可以讓海委會這邊來做資深報告以外那我們也很急著希望可以審定預算那我們也邀請了行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員陳專委 |
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謝謝還有基金預算處的科長陳楊科長好謝謝謝謝各位如果剛所提今天先進行業務報告之後那我們希望可以趕快審定預算畢竟海巡跟國防一樣的重要那海委會跟所以我們先第一個在預算交付之後我們第一個就先趕快排列這個我們海委會可以來做這些預算報告以及來審查預算預算已經慢了100多天 |
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好謝謝來補充介紹蘇巧慧委員還有我們現在國防委員會預算的召委陳冠廷委員謝謝好我們現在進行報告請海委會主委管碧玲委員管碧玲主委做業務報告以及115年度總預算案一併檢要報告謝謝主委不限時間謝謝 |
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非常感謝敬愛的召委各位敬愛的委員還有我們各位同仁各位媒體朋友全國電視機前面的鄉親大家早安 大家好 |
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今天應邀列席大院內政委員會報告本會主管業務並被質詢 倍感榮幸敬請各位委員不吝指教首先我要誠摯地感謝大院於上個會期通過因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別條例的預算案 |
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2220.752 |
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2247.638 |
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為我國面對區域局勢的變化提供重要的資源支持並且在上週經內政委員會與司法及法治委員會聯席審議通過本會海巡署組織法修正草案未來如果三讀通過以後合併我們的防衛韌性的預算未來將會大幅的強化海巡的量能提升整體海洋韌性與應處能力 |
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2250.599 |
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2261.41 |
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這樣的一股力量會讓海巡進入下一個階段的大轉型以讓海巡有足夠的能量來符合全國人民以及大院對海巡 |
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擁有的期待那麼現今的海洋也已經成為是台灣在國家安全跟社會穩定的重要的防線為了要協助第一線的海巡同仁應對中國大陸常態性的軍演壓迫海警船、越界等灰色地帶的襲擾乃至於海嵐等關鍵基礎設施的安全防護本會持續推動的造艦、無人載具及智慧艱針等建設 |
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為海巡的同仁會建構堅實的後盾這就是剛剛所說的下一個階段大轉型的內涵同時我們也推動海洋保育以及永續保護海洋的各項政策 |
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我们全面实行了海洋保育法,强化海洋保护区的规划、治理跟成效的评估,要落实分级管理以及在地参与的机制,并且也启动海洋污染防治基金,推进海废治理跟蓝炭的发展。 |
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我們會將依循2025我們所發表國家海洋政策白皮書所揭示的方向並且以三安四海為推動施政的主軸穩健而完善海洋治理體系推動台灣邁向安全永續共榮 |
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成為兼具韌性與前瞻的現代海洋國家以下請就本會近期重要業務的推動未來施政的重點跟本會115年度單位預算案的報告雖然感謝張偉說時間不限但是還是容我責要否則的話大概半個小時都不夠 |
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首先是有關於我們重要的業務推動的部分在國安 治安 平安的商安全面提升的部分維護國家的權益 維持海域的秩序是我們責務龐大的責任從去年到今年的3月我們總共應處了兩次環台的軍演並且代岸紅太58貨輪守護海濫的通訊 |
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也巡护东沙137航次南沙25航次并且驱离越界渔船1447艘次扣留22艘罚还672万元没入16艘我们近期也在南沙实施了我们南远9号的演练并且在中洲礁在世界地球日的时候登岛来举办静谈的活动 |
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我們捍衛主權維護漁權以及希望對國際中的人道救援有所貢獻我們捍衛主權無論針對的是哪一個國家我們是一定堅守立場絕不退讓有關於確保海域治安跟提升裝備能量的部分 |
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2445.272 |
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在海域治安的部分海巡署從去年以來我們查緝的毒品總共有18288餘公斤槍支69支非法入出國的案件80個人私淹427萬餘包其中114年查獲的毒品 |
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它的量比113年要增加了46%大約總共去年阻止了1.1億人次的稀釋那另外對於防患非洲豬瘟的部分我們也積極的絕對要做到零漏接 |
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非常嚴謹的在執行我們應該要有的SOP有關於守護海洋的安全保障人民平安的部分海巡署總共執行救生救難406案811個人次並且我們辦理南沿9號演習也有效的驗證了 |
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2513.833 |
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我們在太平島海域的揮帶應處跟海難的救援的機制另外我們也協助了16個地方政府辦理巡查3206人次的教育宣導總共參與的人數超過6萬人次為了海域油氣的安全的保障 |
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2514.433 |
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我们在台南完成了首处的智慧海滩的示范的场域另外在基隆等15处的海域的油气的热点跟民团合作设立了免费的救生衣的借用站逐步在优化民众自主防护的需求有关于海洋保护污染防治跟减缩减肥 |
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等等的部分我們精進海洋保育邁向永續制度的部分已經成立了首屆的海洋保育審議會完成全國71處的海洋保護區的總體檢我們總算做了第一次的等於是一個評鑑整個報告已經出爐我們也已經核定了OECM的核准 |
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我們將會在近期對外公布這對於台灣的海洋保育而言是一個里程碑的事件那有關於海洋保育的部分我們感謝金管會的支持我們在第12屆公司治理評鑒指標參考範例裡面已經納入了海洋保育的行動 |
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所以這個將會有一個制度化的去促進台灣的企業的ESG能夠導入到海洋的保育所以企業的海洋永續貢獻獎我們也開始首度的頒發 |
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那另外相關的海洋保育的相關的工作的成果請委員參考我們的書面報告那其中特別要說明的是我們也成立了一個珊瑚特遣聯盟我們支持了58個民團他們來 |
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辦理這個海洋保育的活動我們希望對於珊瑚的保護不只是在我們的宣導我們還會有更多的行動來發展出來這是有關於保育的部分那有關於污染的查查我們也強化了海洋污染的應處的機能建置了海域化學事故專業技術小組每一年海委會都會 |
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組織有中央機關地方政府還有民間企業以及NGO漁業團體等等我們會組合這樣的一個民間跟中央 |
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2677.524 |
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地方整合起來的一個團隊我們會送他們去法國、去新加坡、去日本授訓並取得有關於海洋化學災害應處的證照 |
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相關的工作每一年進行到現在的時候我們已經有足夠的種子部隊組織了海域化學事故的專業技術小組我們非常希望未來台灣海域的化學災害的應處不要再只是靠運氣 |
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比如說我們沉沒或者是擱淺的船隻甚至像天使輪那樣的貨櫃輪沉沒的時候它所造成的災難好在過去都是基於我們的幸運 |
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2726.979 |
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沒有造成化學災害的污染那如果有朝一日我們不幸遇到了海上化學災害污染的時候我們需要有運儲的能力所以我們首度成立了這樣的一個部隊我們很希望我們在這部分的運儲能力能夠建立起來 |
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2741.232 |
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那有關於海洋污染的部分我們也執行船舶的檢查作業671艘次那稽查列管事業跟港口總共有6294艦次完成了7座海域水質的監測的建置並且按計辦理了125處的水質監測執行了緊急應變達310艦 |
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2749.359 |
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2771.356 |
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管制擱淺船舶移除的部分大家也非常的關心比較難移除的玉洲啟航歷經一年也已經移除了有關於布魯拉貢在蘭嶼擱淺的這艘船移除了一半還有另一半正在移除之中所有擱淺的船隻我們都盡全力在運儲之中 |
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其他有關於海洋污染的其他的事項以及海洋的產業海洋的治理跟海洋科學的研究其中特別提出來跟委員報告的是我們還是希望能夠雖然經費受到刪減我們還是希望能夠推動海洋平權所以海洋無障礙的制度的推動指引制定了以後 |
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我們還是很希望在今年以後我們還是能夠儘量儘量的籌措足夠的經費來持續的來推動那另外有關於深耕海洋科學的部分我們有一個喜訊可以驗證說我們在海洋科學的研究上面大家都非常的認真那就是國家海洋研究院的研究團隊在與相關的學者專家 |
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他們共同在太平島所設置的海洋研究站終於在晚晉發現了一個新的魚種一個新的海洋生物的魚種是我們命名為太平島紡錘蝦虎是一個非常非常美麗的非常 |
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小體積的可愛的魚種新的魚種那全球而言是我們首度發現的那將來我們也會在全球的魚類的這個學名體系裡面會有一個以太平島為名為命名的一個新的魚種這個學名將記錄為全球所承認的一個新的魚種的一個學名 |
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太平島 防垂蝦湖他的發現是非常不容易的因為它是非常細小的一個美麗的新的魚種這也顯示說我們工作的嚴謹跟投入度是值得大家信賴另外對於海洋的教育的部分我們特別重視海洋素養教育所以還是要注意時間 |
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好 那已經20分鐘的話那相關的其他的工作就請委員們參考以及我們未來的工作重點當然海巡署的大轉型非常的重要 |
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2904.076 |
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2931.17 |
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那國海院的研究的量能我們將會有一個三艘調查船的船隊那我們也會希望船舶實驗室的工作能夠在非常困難的情況之下能夠突破種種的挑戰能夠完成大家的期待也很希望說我們要籌備還沒有成立但是即將要成立的一個行政法人海洋科技營運中心也能夠順利的籌辦 |
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2954.982 |
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那海保的部分的話我們既然制度已經全部都完備而且海洋污染防治基金也好或者是海洋保育的審議會也好都已經上路所以這幾大工作將是我們未來努力的方向那至於預算的部分我要非常的感謝就是我們在去年的預算等一下是不是好謝謝 |
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好謝謝管主委那我們現在進行詢答委員諮詢前原例做以下幾點宣告本會委員發言時間五分鐘必要時間長兩分鐘非本會委員發言登記五分鐘上午十點三十分截止諮詢登記好那我們接下來我們請第一位 |
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今天要處理預算,所以不處理臨時提案,請問各位委員有沒有意見?沒有好,我們請登記第一位的曲中信委員,謝謝有請管主委 |
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主委好 主委好 恭喜委員剛才您的書面報告第17月有提到我們這個海岸有一些外籍人擱淺那麼這些船舶的即使沉沒上司船舶身份的他還是有殘餘物的所有權所以仍然可以對所有人開出罰款 |
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那我從你們的2014年的預算跟2015年的預算我們看到你們的其他收入明顯少於罰款所以你們對這種船舶遇到海難你們如何請他來移除是不是只用罰款 |
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除了罰款以外我們依法應該要求償的部分我們也會求償那跟委員報告就是說在這個部分其實我們都並不手軟我們常常一個案子都是累積的要去累加的給他開罰款這個求償要到海外求償外籍船 |
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除了那個殘餘物以外幾乎你要到海外去求償有一些船舶他們的保險會比較周全像蘭嶼的布魯拉宮他所提供給我們的保證的信用就非常的高額那這個部分我們未來如果要求償的話我們會比較能夠完整的來完成我們的目標因為我們連續法我們必須要加速我看你們 |
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在處理這個預期作案是一年一年時常已經都造成油污外洩海洋都已經污染了所以這個一年表示我們過去的時效太慢 |
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對 跟委員報告 污染我們絕對非常嚴謹的防治到目前為止這些擱淺的船舶它的污染完全都在我們的掌控之下我看你們是用掌控跟監控我們抽油的這些計畫非常的嚴謹嚴格的要求所以要抽除油料我們不可能容許說油料沒有抽除然後讓它在那邊擱淺一年多不可能 |
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這個因為牽涉到海難救助海商法103條第二項有對無營管理做一個特別規定也就是說我們可以以撈救人的態度來積極地做無營管理 |
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如果他有損害環境之餘那我們去在文館裡撈救我們可以對支出的必要費用取得報酬有一些就是這樣我們會代位的就強制去處理可是我看到你們的時候沒有這個項目 |
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這個部分我們都會求回來那如果說要在稅入裡面加進來我們檢討一下那個稅入的狀況是不是房處長說明一下稅入的部分因為這個部分是我用出去以後它比較不算稅入啦就是我先代位處理了以後再求償回來所以它沒有被當作稅入你看海山法103條第二項如果我們對 |
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污染之餘的我們救助有功防止有效我們可以請求超過實際支出的一倍的報酬所以玉州啟航呢他擔保兩千萬那我們六十萬的這個罰款的部分他已經講了那另外是污染了我們海岸的話兩千萬是我污染的部分他沒有污染玉州啟航沒有造成污染所以我們必須要在 |
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產生海難立刻積極的處理處理的方式不一定要我們同仁自己親自來進行我們可以委外我們委外由民間迅速來管理它 |
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那到時候我們海巡署非但有支出必要費用的報酬我們還可以請求一倍的報酬這是海商法給我們的一個特別規定我看我們本署對這個規定到現在都沒有反映在你們的預算因為是我們支出 |
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然後再要回來所以它不算是稅入沒有顯示在稅入裡面但是其實你如果救助有效可以有一倍的報酬也就是說海巡署在管地裡之下還替國家賺錢我們罰還會我們一定會罰罰還一定會 |
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非常地不足啦坦白講就是賠償的部分我們可以要求要求加倍的賠償那這個部分也很希望就是說法院可以支持我們你們要用連續法 |
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有 用聯繫法有 有說一張一百萬一百萬下去我那個已經罰到一個案都會罰到上千萬一個案我們罰到累積法 罰到兩千萬委員一個案 擱淺在那裡 我們罰單累積到兩千萬可以積極的替國家 |
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創造這方面無印管理的收入又有利我們的海洋我們現在是一定至少絕對不能夠賠錢一定要求償回來一定要平衡啦那如果照委員講的我們要溢出超出這個平衡預算之外再增加更大的求償的範圍的話我們來研究好不好但是跟委員報告我們那個罰款真的就已經超過超過很多了譬如說一個案我們罰2000萬 |
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海岸的潛在危險這些滑款真的是微不足道因為造成海岸污染以後再來整治啊時常會是國家很重大的負擔我們主計處長剛剛告訴我我們這個執行率是107.3% |
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我知道我有看到但是你們那個車收入非常少希望我們執行率200就對了啦我們來努力好不好因為你們必須要積極的去我們超執行率200來努力那這樣可以去減少我們海岸受那個污染的一個危險我們很心痛而且擱淺的船太多了那有一些船像權宜輪次標準輪有時候要求償開了罰單都還不記得拿得到錢因為台灣在 |
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颱風的路徑上就情形很多所以我們現在就預先預先會要求他們去海上避難去海上避風然後會清空我們所俠館的海域那香港局跟海巡署在這個部分現在都有前瞻的步數謝謝委員關心 |
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如果到海外球場有困難,我們撈起殘餘物以後我們還甚至可以用拍賣的方式來進行,來賠償我們國庫的損失是,謝謝委員謝謝主委謝謝,謝謝委員好,謝謝,謝謝許中興委員好,接下來我們請蘇巧慧委員好,謝謝主席,我們請管主委 |
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我們今天除了這個在質詢就是還要討論今年我們海委會的預算那我想我在這個海巡署的部分其實我在第21案的部分我有做了一個提案那我在這裡要直接公開的再次的說明其實我對海巡同仁的這個部分真真正正尤其我們的新北海岸線這麼長 |
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可以看到這麼多的海巡同仁就是在這裡這個崗位上努力所以海巡署我們真的全力支持應該是要人給人 要錢給錢就是這個態度但是我們為什麼還是有提案呢我們的提案其實是希望說是在這個我們海巡署113年到116年的整體發展計畫當中我們的這個 |
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馬頭的這個部分進度到底海巡署的建博博位缺口的這個部分到底建制的進度如何希望提出一個進度的報告所以小棟10萬元希望提出書面報告以後就可以再繼續進行那也很高興海巡署已經同意這樣子的做法所以我們非常期待這個進度報告這樣可以嗎謝謝委員監督我們這件事這件事也真的非常的重要我們一定全力來努力攢錢再來部署 |
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對 建體的博位其實是非常非常重要的一件事情我們目前有得到一些地方政府的協助還有港務公司的協助那還有國防部的協助那經濟部的協助所以基本上我們樂觀以目前的這一些溝通協調而言我們是樂觀的好 沒有問題因為我們特別就是從現在我們也會從地方政府的角度來看待這件事情就是應該要加速進行極度的配合有一些碼頭是他們的產權 |
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再來的話我是不好意思說將來我一定會積極配合啦對謝謝委員但是主委又接話我在這裡就先預告如果我有這個機會的話我一定全力配合海巡署真的就是要人給錢要人要錢給人要錢給錢一定全力支援海巡艦隊 |
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但是另外一個就是我還是要繼續為新北市來爭取我想我們現在海保中心這應該也是海委會其實蠻重要的一個亮點設施那目前的海保中心其實是在台南澎湖台中新竹有四處所以可不可以簡單的跟我們說明一下海保中心它的目標然後已經達成的效果那為什麼你們覺得做得好所以現在又要再持續增加 |
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公務員報告我們署長很少有表現的機會我們讓署長來做好 但是你就是要快一點因為我們的時間有限 |
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跟委員說明其實我們希望擴大保育的效果所以這四處目前都是不同的類型比如說白海豚的擬灘地的或者是不同類型的這個所謂的空間所以我們希望結合地方政府結合不同的學校或者是大專院校可以讓這個海洋保育教育中心可以更走入不同的這個階層跟不同的民眾 |
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其實它就是海洋的特色很重要對所以你每一個地方都有特色嘛那你每一個地方呢其實它就是大眾對海洋知識之間海洋科普之間作為一個連結的中心所以它會盡量的讓自己的專業的知識可以科普化讓更多的人願意走進來所以這等於是一個海洋世界的入口耶而且我們希望它有趣好 非常好我覺得都棒 都支持我只問新北為什麼沒有 |
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跟委員報告我新北海岸線這麼長超過120公里我們的海洋資源這麼多我的漁港有28座這麼好的資源為什麼沒有跟委員報告因為資源很有限很競爭所以呢由下而上地方政府報上來的時候有一些呢報上來可能都還會失望因為我們的資源那我問你新北有沒有報新北應該是沒有提 |
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新北沒有提嗎已經連續幾次了從過去沒有提到這批的申請當中新北也沒有提出申請那你的申請規則有限制嗎一定要地方政府作為主體嗎 |
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也可以是大專院校那如果地方政府沒有作為的話那你的中央主管機關沒有任何的方式嗎事實上我看到你的設置標準裡面也有第一項是中央主管機關可以考慮嗎其實我們也有積極的在通知、邀請 |
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那基本上就是因為很競爭我沒辦法說好啊你都沒有我就直接給你那基本上選址也需要地方政府他們來提供所以他的那個地方政府的角色是最重要的主要還是在選址那主要也是在競爭 |
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那新北的話我想我們再加強吧過去我們對我想是這樣啦這個對新北海洋的特色和資源我想我在這裡應該是可以算是數一數二的應該沒有在場沒有人比較更了解新北到底有多少的海洋資源有多少的觀光景點可以運用又有多少的人口應該要能夠去接近海岸線所以一個沒有積極 |
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沒有積極爭取資源的地方政府的話其實是可惜的啦那我是認為現在我是立法委員所以我能夠督促的是中央機關我會督促海委會是不是能夠再跟地方政府溝通因為畢竟我們台灣的海岸線就是這麼長而新北站的比例就是這麼高所以身為新北市的立法委員我督促海委會是不是能夠讓 |
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擁有海岸線相當長的縣市也要能夠更積極一點來提出這樣的申請案因為我同意 你是要主動申請嗎因為是稀缺資源嘛 競爭型計畫嘛 對不對我去年呢 我就把各縣市他們的申請跟我們最後的補助有做了一個縣市別的統計我再給委員看確實有一些縣市他們在海洋的這一塊是比較沒有琢磨 |
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那很可惜 因為海岸線非常強烈沒關係 別人不跟我們來做那我們繼續前進但是我還是希望海委會在對這個地方政府之間的關係可以多發揮一點主動性這是我現在對您的要求我們再進一步好嗎 委員督促我們就積極的再去同時也可以把資料再一份到我們的辦公室 |
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那最後呢30秒的時間我想跟你追蹤一個上一次上個會期我跟您這邊討論過的一個部分就是其實現在正是因為我們要利用海洋資源嘛所以海域利用的淨河這是一個大問題從漁業到觀光 |
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到這個人本身的這樣休憩因為觀光有分船舶跟人的部分嘛所以上次在問您說在海洋當中不同使用者之間的衝突會不會有一套規範那你贊成有規範的同時呢那也認為我們現在就是會往制定規範的方向去實施而且甚至呢現在新北市也已經在進行小規模的試驗驗證所以能不能簡單跟我們說明一下進度然後未來的發展 |
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跟委員報告我們已經有制度而且在這個制度裡面我們還會提供資源來跟在地的漁會等等合作讓他們共同來投入介護的工作就是相關的協調的作業等等還有會這邊像委員關心的龍東灣或者是過去 |
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曾經發生過的一些潛水跟漁業之間競合的問題我們個案的部分都已經完成了協調是 那民間團體會跟我們合作好 所以我看到第一個案的部分將來會做 我們甚至會出錢來替他們做這個扶求式的範圍的界限會做出來 |
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那您的進度就可以給一份報告到我們這邊來好了因為上一次就很關心 我們都有進度對 因為個案部分爭議解決 協調完成然後現在也訂立了相關的準則包括像潛水活動與遊艇動力小船人車避碰規定的指引其實都在今年已經完成但我還是認為應該要有法制化而且我再次的強調 漁會 協會跟民眾這些第一線會受到實際參與影響的人都應該要被一起加入討論我們喊他當夥伴謝謝 謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝蘇巧慧委員接下來我們請張宏祿委員進行詢問我請主委主委謝謝 |
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在上個月3月30在東營有一個中國籍的工作平台船處理中國籍漁船擱淺的那個然後說 |
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不慎破壞台馬三號海欄這個事情 主委各位有報告第一時間我們絕對會去瞭解說這是不是真正是意外背後有沒有灰色洗腦的疑慮那第一時間我們會有一個SOP會查證這個事情第二對於事件的應處首先 港港局 |
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他會出來主導會成立應變小組那跟委員報告昨天晚上第20次應變會議開過了那有關於這個個案確實相當的複雜也就是說擱淺了以後在移除的過程 |
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去傷到了我們的海嵐所以移除到一半的時候船長呢就被我們送法辦那移送法辦以後工程整個就停止到昨天晚上那昨天晚上的時候第二十次應變會議以後已經經過檢察官也許可了我們海巡已經用海巡艇戒護這個船長船長本來在檢察官的手上 |
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那也介乎了船長然後允許他去船上做適當的應儲那基本上停滯的狀況我們希望要開始有進度到目前為止昨天晚上是這樣的進度主委 |
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我想要問的就是說雖然施工的核可單位是航港局是他們但我不知道報導是否屬實那現在雖然也是在偵查當中因為報導上面是寫說他是要用吊掛施工結果現場變成切 |
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他切割成兩段但是在這個過程當中他的工法有沒有改變計畫有沒有改變那個是後來改變沒有錯但是這個過程一定都會經過審核我的意思是這樣 |
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我個人存在蠻大的這個我不相信如果以在台灣的這種施工標準我相信中華電信或什麼所有施工單位應該都有這個比如說海嵐的那個土啊不是不是我們在施工核准在什麼的你的電纜什麼的大概在哪裡其實我們都有施工圖可以看 |
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我認為都會有這些竟然還這樣那你說你要切割船你切割到那麼深我一直認為這個背後是這麼單純嗎 |
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跟委員報告我個人跟委員的立場一樣我們一定是料敵從寬所以第一時間我們一定絕對就要去確認這是否真實的是一個意外那背後是不是有 |
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國安的疑慮那這個部分的SOP我們有建立起來甚至於我們也會從水下去看不只是說船員的清巡船長的清巡我們也會從水下去看那整個過程也會是在介護的過程之中來執行我們甚至於要看你在施工的過程當中你有沒有放什麼科學儀器在做調研等等的 |
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那這一次的話 海流的關係 所以海欄有一些移動那相關的細節 相關的細節 航港局都有應變中心中華電信也有在裡面 海保署 海委會 海巡也都有在裡面那詳細的開會如果還有更值得跟委員報告的細節的部分我們處長跟委員做說明有 需不需要 |
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我就這樣如果可以讓我們知道的資料給我就好了不用在這邊我在這邊我今天特別問這個我認為這是一個很不尋常的案例我們要以這個不尋常的案例 |
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去預防未來有沒有這種情況會繼續發生對不對他也可能有很多的狀況然後今天在東嶺明天在哪裡對不對船要擱淺應該也很容易處理啊對不對這個這個署長在海南區的話他的移除的計畫確實更精密的審議這個除了更精密審議之後要不然署長 |
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我請問一下,如果你要讓一艘船故意擱淺,困不困難?不困難啊對嘛,我們擔心的是這個事情嘛,對不對我可能每天都有船擱淺啊,啊你是不是披一份命然後每天船擱淺,然後就是都這樣子 |
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那我跟你講幾次之後全部都摸透了關於有幾條電線電纜我擔心的是這個而且又這麼簡單的一個移除工作竟然會把海纜給切斷這個很奇怪很不尋常啊這個一般的施工不可能 |
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不精確到這種程度我今天在這邊就是要提醒我們海委會跟我們所有相關部會這個東西我們不能把它當成一幫的施工然後造成損害我希望你們要有這種想法 |
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所以我們第一時間船長就送辦一定就把他送辦這個一定要送辦嘛那跟委員報告就是所有的海嵐的案件現在檢方、院方處理的經驗都已經有好幾起案件那這些案件的處理當中有故意的我們就重罰但是如果是意外的我們就還他清白那這些案例都已經有了那有一些是經過和解的那有一些是經過就 |
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沒有證據顯示是他的然後就請回的就讓他回去的大概我們也會扣留了像不久兩個月前有一個案我們也扣留了十幾天然後才檢察官來放行這檢察官他們會時間的問題反正我說的重點主委你們都知道嘛就是這樣去處理我希望你們是這樣啦這個是為了整個台灣的安全 |
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我來以後發現這種狀況就是說離島尤其是金門馬祖一發生的相關的海事工程的需要都是用對方都是用對方的工程團隊來處理我也是疑慮甚深但是基於整個產業結構目前還沒有辦法解套所以我就把海巡的警戒的SOP大幅度的升級反正這個我的提起就是這樣我最後 |
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5秒鐘我們現在造了很多艦艇那我們停泊的地方到底夠不夠啊 |
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我們現在有前瞻的部署,樂觀,那署長更樂觀,署長說夠,那我說樂觀因為國防部也幫忙了,地方政府也幫忙了,然後經濟部也幫忙了如果夠就好啦,我只是擔心你現在很多,我怕你船沒有地方停跟委員報告非常樂觀,然後署長更樂觀,謝謝謝謝張宏祿委員 |
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謝謝 接下來我們請張志倫委員進行詢問 謝謝好 謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請管碧玲管主委 |
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主委好今天是有關於海委會海巡署等等相關單位預算的諮詢首先我要先謝謝主委我們都支持海巡海委會相關的預算我也非常支持我必須公開重重的感謝當然立法委員我們還是要好好來監督人民的荷包跟納稅錢 |
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那首先我要先請教這個主委有關無人機的問題當然因應現在我們這個海巡署要去針對台海的情勢的升高跟我們的救災氣土等等的一些作業所以無人機是我們我國現在海巡署 |
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一個非常重要的業務可是我們看到從107年我們海巡署開始購買無人機的時候我們叫他叫第一代無人機都是我們用公務預算來變那時候買了20架那經費主委可以看一下這個螢幕我們一台的無人機的單價大概是450萬元 |
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那到今年開始我們開始買了新的第二代的無人機那我們本行很關心那我們第二代無人機買的是價格是多少錢我們看到無人機的價格暴漲了將近快要四倍1600萬將近1700萬的 |
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這個金額 那我們本席想問的是說當然我們支持海偶會做任何的他的職業的業務 那可是這跟一般民眾的認知價格一代機跟二代機的價格為什麼差那麼多是性能有差異還是等等什麼原因是不是可以給主委說明一下 |
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謝謝委員垂詢委員對於這個課題已經關心很長期持續那我們了解委員非常的關心說我們到底有沒有買貴那我跟委員報告我對海巡他對於無人機大概我主要管兩件事情第一件事情是你的功能部署對不對 |
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你的功能部署要達到什麼樣的效能這個我會我會掌控另外就是說你絕對不能買貴然後你要基於國安還有因為有紅色供應鏈的問題基於國安還有要買最新最好的我大概就是這幾個指示至於說細節的部分我深情所長來說本席都支持主委的想法可是就現在的 |
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就像現在我們所有第一線操作人員來講它一代機的價格才450萬二代機竟然高達1600多萬那以性能就像你主委講的性能有沒有什麼問題還是說它可以改成軍用的未來要改成軍用嗎 |
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我請署長我們都是我們都是一軍用商工好謝謝好請時間關係委員好跟特委跟委員報告因為我其實本席有有兩代的信人本席手動都有我看不出來信人到底差異在哪裡啊 |
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這個可以簡單說明一下我們現在海巡主要是在徵收的功能所以他的性能是大幅提升跟第一代不一樣另外第一代報價是民國105年的報價那我們現在的報價跟將近10年的報價所以他的不管是物條不管是他的功能規格所以明確講出來代表功能差異在哪裡 |
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因為我有兩個功能第一個部分就是它的徵收的不一樣然後它的導控不一樣然後距離不一樣 高度不一樣然後它的後面的訓練不一樣沒錯啊 就像我們手機啊大概iPhone 1跟iPhone X不一樣可是價錢也不會差到4、5倍啊跟委員報告齁我舉10秒鐘就是我要講的就是說我們現在媒體上報的就是我們現在要買的MQ9V這是高供無人機是不是未來有跟經用的有相關聯手才會這麼貴嗎 |
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我們這款是軍規的然後商用所以未來軍事作戰可以使用可以使用但是我們的功能主要在徵收的部分第一個我認為單價的部分其實我們都支持海巡海委會的預算可是單價的部分希望未來在採買的時候因為我們都其實本席現在對於採買金額最困擾的就是說在預算編列的時候我們沒有辦法詢問相關內容細節我們都不知道 |
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那等絕標了以後差異竟然那麼大我們看到功能別好像差異也沒那麼多所以我還希望說這是第一個問題那第二個問題我們想要請教訓練費的部分訓練費的部分我發現我們二代機的訓練費 |
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總金額大於一代機非常多我們平均換算一台的漁人機的訓練單價將近要一千萬喔比過去二代機的一台訓練單價要一千萬比一代機的單價高出許多總金額高達只訓練只做六台喔可是比二十台的訓練的這個金額增加六十七倍 |
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那我的意思就是說這個訓練費這一代機跟二代機的訓練會差那麼多嗎那本席想要建議的就是我們的無人機應該採用在地化訓練的話不管一代機跟二代機應該訓練出種子教官而不是有我認為這個有點經驗的訓練費太高是不是可以解釋一下 |
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跟委員報告 那我們現在的所謂非無人機 公務機關無人機一定要有考照那我們這一款的無人機是VITAL的 也就是他同時具備旋翼跟定義機的機能所以他要考到四張照 那跟委員報告 我們有一個數據我們之前送去訓練的這個 要考到四張照大概要花費 每一個人 因為他要包括時數所以一個人大概要受訓四到五個月 那一個人的費用將近五十萬 |
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特別跟委就光訓練費用而已所以這部分跟委包括因為我們每一個人要取得證照才可以去飛這無人機 |
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本席想要了解的是說是不是有什麼特殊的操作技巧還是說有特殊的徵收技術還是說你們應該要匯到美國去受訓所以本席想說為什麼訓練的金分一台我算在一台平均單價一千萬這個跟一般我們民眾的認知差異很大到軍規的程度你們有訓練軍事相關的訓練嗎 |
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等個過去一代機的時候它是沒有含訓練費用在裡面嘛取證費用沒有在裡面嘛但是現在是已經都要求要在裡面了那剛剛有跟委員報告就是說因為四張證照一代機的時候其實有訓練費用一台的訓練費用大概是四萬九千塊那二代機的訓練費用我們剛剛簡單算起來一台的一代機不需要四張證照是 |
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二代機的訓練費用一台是一千萬所以我是要跟主委報告就是說你們在估價在尋價的過程中這個費用到底是有什麼特殊的技術跟技巧跟委員報告因為我們這個二代機的規格比較高所以我們除了還訓練考照還會接裝訓練 |
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那還要送到國外去做訓練所以這個訓練都是涵蓋在我們買飛機裡面那我們一般的估價會認為我們一般在民間在估這個買買這無人機都是用裸機的部分來算但是我們這個我們所有我們買的飛機是包括所有全售期的包括後續的維保保固包括保險都包含在裡面 |
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沒關係主委副主委你們會後可以再把詳細的資料提供給北京那最後一個問題最後一個問題其實我要跟就是跟各位報告其實我們都支持海委會的預算可是我們覺得海委會預算編列其實相當有問題其實在114年的時候主委你知不知道我們海巡署編列預算大概是多少金額多少錢嗎我們通過的預算金額多少錢請問有人知道嗎300多億吧海巡 光海巡的話 |
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去年度是不是對你們原本編列是多少錢的經費是280億的經費對但是因為我們後來有對然後我們後來我們租家預算通過的經費你們知道是多少錢嗎 |
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追加預算跟預備金之後我們已經超過300億通過的經費其實我們立法院最後給你們的經費是295億元所以我要跟你們報告的是其實我們已經通過預算法的規定了你們事實上實際可以使用的經費是比你原本編列的數字還要高你們原本編列才280億左右的預算 |
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所有追加預算通過的預算是295億的預算是高過你們編譯的預算本席意思是說那是因為我們有動用第二預備金才是這樣還有人事費突然之間到年終就是很高薪已經給你們295億的預算你們還跟行政院再追加了一點多億的預算原條薪的預算吃了很大一筆數字所以本席要跟你們講的是我們都支持你們的預算 |
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是從4月突然調薪的 均值的調薪那筆預算應該是8千多萬嗎就是你們原本編的預算立法院後來追加跟你們預算 已經超過你們原本編的預算你們還要再跟行政院追加了將近快2億的預算最後總數那本席想要提的意見就是就是說希望啊 |
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就是說你們現在重點海巡最重要就是軟體跟硬體的實力我覺得應該要增強其實海巡目前來講還差了大概1300多名的人員的缺額還有非常多老舊的建物即將還等待要補強本席的意見就是說立法院通過這麼多的預算給你們我想要請教你們到底還缺多少預算 |
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光是廳舍分兩筆一筆是需要新建一筆是維修基本上預算數如果超過原本你們預計編列預算數我們需要中長期計畫如果海巡署還缺錢超過一百億喔委員你們還缺一百億你們缺額還缺一百億不是缺額光廳舍的新建我們需要一個中長期計畫委員我們很希望說大家能夠來考察 |
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我們那個第一線的弟兄他們的黃金真的令人心疼不捨他光是新建預算就還需要一段時間那最後我要再請教主委我還是要幫基層的弟兄來起命我們軍職的海巡的部隊加急 |
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還有緊直的勤務加擠以及查緝隊的危險加擠我們計畫都做好了已經都送上去了嗎19項今年會不會調整我們現在開過了最後一次檢討會議以後我們方案做好就會往上溝通協調就會跨部會溝通協調那我們大概會動了18、19項 |
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大概會動了19項那預計會通過的,妳有沒有預計哪一些加級會通過?我說了A就會傷了B的心我們希望全部都通過我一定盡全力好,謝謝大家謝謝張志榮委員非常專業,請海委會等一下也好好準備我們等一下就要進行預算的審查接下來我們請廖先祥專委謝謝 |
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謝謝主席麻煩我們請管主委還有我們傳播實驗室的主管的單位主管院長 張委好今天先來討論傳播實驗室傳播實驗室在2024年的時候動工那時候是預計2027年要完工那也就是明年那目前的進程大概是怎麼樣各位委員報告 |
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傳播實驗室對我們來講是一個新生的事項那這個新生的事項它有非常多非常多高度的這個精密的科技在裡面所以也不瞞委員我們在核定了計畫以後我們已經經過一次的修正計畫已經有往後延那以目前的預計來講我們可能還必須要再持續的會滾動式的來修正這個計畫 |
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那目前的目標我們希望我們希望我們希望不要再延太久我們一定盡全力對 你現在的目標多少我們不希望延太久對 因為我們的計畫還沒有經過我們還沒有經過行政院的核定是不是我會後來跟委員做詳細的報告因為還沒有經過行政院同意那我就說我要在哪一年等我們往行政院報的時候現在我們會做跨部會的協調 |
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2027確定是沒有辦法達標那要延到何時我們應該還會再需要你研討要延到何時你大概心裡有個底啦只是說需要請那邊核定他非常非常高度的精密的科技所以他的細部設計跟他的原初的規劃設計經過細部設計以後跟原初的規劃設計之間產生了落差因為P實驗中間產生一些落差嘛對不對那P實驗產生落差的部分其實同仁也來我辦公室討論過啦 |
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那我想跟主委確認一下那PCM在設計過程中導致的落差造成了工程的延後那這部分我們會怎麼樣的具體來對PCM來對它來做一個究責公園報告黑就是黑白就是白 |
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責任該負的是哪一方一定是明算帳我不管說你是不是政府的法人那應該明算帳就一定是明算帳那目前檢討到現在他有哪些缺失那可能會有哪一些的課則在他的身上 |
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因為項目非常的多我們特別來跟委員做說明好不好所以原則上應該是會有一定的一定的罰款那大概這個金額有沒有辦法大概知道說大概落在大概預算規模的大概幾%依契約的話目前還沒有辦法精確的核算因為我們最後我們最後的那個究責哪一方應該要如何的負擔的這個部分我們等他有一個定案以後我們大概就可以歸 |
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我們大概就可以算出來但是契約有契約他有相關的優點在裡面一般契約來講他如果說因此而產生預期的話預期的罰款是不應該超過20%那如果是20%的話 |
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20%的話應該會是5000萬左右那整體他因為PCN設計上面導致的落差有沒有造成的這個變更設計然後導致額外的經費的增加有嗎 |
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這個部分一定會有因為設計以後譬如說當他的量體變大的時候當他細部設計出來他的量體變大的時候他的用電量就會增加所以我們目前正在做最後的核算那我是希望說盡快把最後的核算因為我們需要很多的專家諮詢會議這一切都在專家諮詢的情況之下在進行檢視 |
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檢視了以後我們才會來做PCM有相關的課則罰款就是20%上限嘛那造成了工程的一些損失這個可能是浪費那這個可能原本變更設計原本不需要做東西或者是需要另外再做的東西原本就是如果說一開始就設計好的話直接做跟我們現在變更設計可能會有一些金額上面的一些落差 |
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那這樣子金額的落差,責任的歸屬會由PCM的廠商來承擔嗎?還是說我們這邊會用公司來支援?從民事的角度來看,所有的設施,事實上它是存在一個實體嘛那我們會擁有所有權嘛所以這個部分恐怕也不會說你造成增加的經費就全部要由你來負擔 |
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5494.337 |
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可能就從法律上來講就不是這樣子一刀切那在這個部分我們有法律專業我們有科技的專業那這個所有的盤點全部都是在律師團還有全部都是在專家諮詢會議當中的過程當中那我的建議就是假設我們一開始就設計正確的話那我們就會有一筆這個決標金額跟或者是工程的經費 |
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5511.522 |
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那現在是設計稅務再加上變更預算如果說這兩個加起來比一開始就設計正確還來得高的話那中間的差額那就可能還會好好的研究一下這筆錢到底是不是要有供預算來支出我們以第一次變更計畫的案例就好了第一次變更計畫是地質 |
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5513.363 |
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是地質探勘出錯是探勘出錯就是說他探勘只探了兩個洞然後就做了結論結果最後實施的時候發現說他的探勘的密度不夠的時候整個地質是不如他預期的 |
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那以這一次的變更計畫也增加了預算但是在球場的相關的法律的盤點之下那那個預算是我們政府來吸收的不可歸則於廠商的當然是我們是本來就應該要由我們這邊來負擔嘛 |
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5551.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
5581.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
好那就麻煩我們主委後續同仁如果說這個個案後續有相關的法律的程序或者是有明確目標或時程的時候那也讓大家讓關心這個實驗室的民眾知道我們大概目標來說要完工好那另外剛剛討論到無人機的議題那這個二代機的部分剛剛有講完的是可能是軍規商用的一個規模那正在因為我的選區有許多沿海的一個部分那其實時常漁民有一些海難急難的時候其實都是需要我們海巡的弟兄 |
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5582.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
5608.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
幫忙的需要去救援的那我不曉得後續在無人機的規劃除了徵收的功能之外有沒有涵蓋可能救援最簡單的物資投遞等等之類的跟委員報告您說到了重點中的重點真的是苦民所苦為什麼呢如果我們無人機我們的二代機進來以後他第一個我們第一時間會協助我們更快的去找到目標 |
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5617.98 |
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我無人機放出去跟我說我用船艦艇去找目標是不一樣的嘛他會更快的找到目標第二個他會籌載他會籌載第一時間可以救命的救生設備然後去投放那這個精準度如何我們這一次在太平島我們的投放很精準精準嗎 |
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5627.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
5650.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
對我們的投放很精準我們投放魚雷這個魚雷浮標也很精準我們這個拋成槍拋出去也非常的精準那時候的風力是超過他們演習時候的風力結果投放還是很精準那其中那個魚雷浮標就是無人機去投放的那未來還會比我們現在用的這個第一代的無人機要來得更高規 |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
5657.506 |
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所以我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的我們會把他用在舊住舊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
我們海巡署署長也一起好不好好 主委好 署長好先請教 主委上個星期登上太平島那這個是我國的這個首長睽違大概七年登上太平島來主持這個演練那當然我個人是非常支持跟肯定我們的海委會主委登上太平島 |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
5728.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
但是這事後,越南政府又依照往例對我們做抗議而且這是非常正式的抗議這當然又涉及到了所謂太平島的主權爭議而且越南政府其實講得非常的不留情,說三道四 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
5729.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
5757.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
那回顧在七年前當時的海巡署的署長叫李仲威他當時也是我們蔡政府時代當時就是你的前一任他登上太平島越南一樣抗議但是當時即便是在蔡政府時代我們對越南政府是採取了一個嚴正的駁斥當時的李仲威甚至通過中央社公開的就是主張 |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
5785.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我國中華民國在太平島的主權當時的內政部長徐國勇現在是民進黨秘書長也公開表示我們的主權是不容質疑的可是呢這個這次越南政府的抗議到目前為止我只看到主委在你自己的臉書裡面你登了照片然後呢強調了確實也強調了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
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中華民國 我國對於太平島的主權可是其他之外 我看起來都是冷處理不會啊 十幾台電視早上主持的因為呢 用你的臉書 你的臉書前一陣子甚至來評論說這個沈伯陽委員的新髮型很好看 |
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因為 沒有 所以這是你的個人臉書嗎個人臉書跟官方的態度仍然是不一樣的所以我覺得仍然應該透過我們海委會正式的管道不管是用新聞稿的方式或者用正式的宣 |
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宣告我們對於太平島的主權所以我現在因為現在在立法院接受正式的質詢你可不可以不是我們中華民國的領土啊捍衛主權絕不退讓啊是太平島一樣中洲交也一樣是我們很清楚 |
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所以今天十幾台電視出去了委員跟委員報告今天大概我也希望電視台幫我播我在十幾台電視前面有宣示了我們捍衛主權不會退讓對 只有這樣子啊我們捍衛主權不是針對某一個國家任何一個國家欺騙主權我們都可以退讓的委員之前我覺得我們看起來太過低調跟冷酌力不會不會不會我覺得蔡政府時代 |
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也是非常高調喔沒有錯 所以我肯定 我也支持因為當我們海運局會到現場去操演我想現在就是主持這個操演我覺得對於我們所有第一線海巡的同仁 相關的海巡特勤對他們來講都是士氣大振 |
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好那另外呢剛才包含這個我們張志倫委員還有廖先祥委員都特別提到無人機的採購那剛才你沒有做一些說明我想請問一下海巡署因為這之前我也有請教署長因為我們無人機 |
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買無人機這個硬體之外更重要的就是相關的訓練可是呢其實我們都有一個問題就是你們現在在預算裡面我們比較很難去區分你買這個機型是多少錢那你投入的訓練 |
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又是多少錢其實江蘇委員他們辦公室非常認真的是透過你們的相關的採購的公告那我覺得其實我們基本上不分黨派大家會支持包含國防部也好 |
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或者是海巡署也好採購無人機因為我們都知道現在未來這個不管是民生性的或者是征防性的救災性的或者是國防軍事的大家都會大量採用無人機但是無人機的採購應該要越透明越好我相信主委也能夠也會承認所以我還是想請這個 |
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所以就沒有公開透明嘛所以你們的預算書要公開透明啊你不能說我採購多少採購20架第一代無人機採購20架是八千九百萬大概還不到一億 |
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第二代採購這個六套然後就暴增到2.1億多暴增1.4倍我們就不大小因為第一代無人機你也不會告訴我說裡面不包含教育訓練經費吧很希望能說明是不是給署長說可以啊可以啊這就是來問署長 |
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我這邊要特別跟委員說明我們每一項的無人機採購之前我們都有一個公開徵求書上面就寫了密密麻麻我要哪個規格市長你又誤解我講話我的意思說你公開採購當然要公開透明項目要清清楚楚我現在講的是你預算 |
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你們的預算都是告訴我們我採購20架Total這些錢我無法去把它分清楚你到底採購上什麼樣的機型那麼它的功能是什麼那平均每一架要採購多少錢你們的預算多少你們的教育經費又是多少 |
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好 我上次 比如說我上一次請教你我才知道我們的這個訓練場現在是16個嘛 好 現在是16個那基本上 我覺得我也支持因為無人機未來大家大量採購我們自己在有自己的訓練場那比如說像國防部 像國防部 |
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國防部未來採購量更大他是上萬上萬好幾十萬的要採購可是呢國防部的這種專責的軍種無人機的訓練場目前我看到的是只有四個地方所以我希望說我們把資源能夠統籌利用比如說你也有一些事實上是軍規只是商用軍規商用那未來是不是也可以跟國防部相關大家 |
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等於說資源共享因為未來無人機的訓練我認為它是會非常大的花費因為你要買這麼多無人機一定要有人能夠操作其實未來還不只是什麼海巡或者是或者是我們這個國防部 |
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其實地方的消防局也好警察局也好其實未來都有大量的需要訓練大量的需要取得執照不然的話你怎麼會好好去使用無人機所以我希望在我們的預算的部分 |
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第一個預算公開透明第二個資源能夠盡量的大家資源共享才能夠節省經費可不可以各位報告我還是要重申重申就是我們在公開徵求書上面就有寫我哪一項的徵收設備哪一項設備是要到哪個規格那當然每一個規格的價錢是不一樣的所以你就會發現每一架的無人機我要用到哪一個規格它當然價格都不一樣 |
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那第二個部分就是因為我們是最有力標所以我們現在還在做公開的這個招標過程當中所以我也不曉得我這樣標出去我們每一家到底多少錢我現在沒有辦法跟委員報告因為現在還在做這個整個招標過程當中所以這個部分我並不曉得廠商來標這一家大概多少錢我們在編預算的時候總是要有一個 |
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因為時間有限 還有一個我想請教 再來請教主委好了 |
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我們我在這次的預算裡面我針對沒宣費我還是會特別的把它挑出來請問一下我們海委會要成立所謂的印尼的海費辦公室因為當時說我們要有一個海費平台請問一下我們海費這個印尼海費辦公室成立在哪裡 |
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我們是跟印尼的一個NGO哈比比他們一起我們的辦公室成立在哪裡那我們跟哈比比來合作的時候也跟外交部都一起共同來做這個成立在哪裡嘛在印尼在印尼在印尼哪裡啊印尼那麼大 |
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印尼外交部他就在我們外交部的那個駐外的機關裡面 |
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在哪裡啊在外交部的駐外機關裡面在印尼的我們在印尼的城市啊辦公室總是在一個城市裡面在哪裡啊我非常奇怪就是說這麼一個宏大的一個計畫我在所有的預算裡面只查到一個預算其實不多啦就是沒宣費而且是就是一次一條新聞然後就是一個預算 |
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那我要講的是其實這個有關海廢平台後來刊登啊 刊登的不會是只有這一家媒體啊我們是海外的記者會的舉辦對 因為你們開記者會嘛然後其實各媒體這裡面什麼民視啦 中華日報啦聯合新聞網 中央社通通都有發然後呢 這個媒宣呢 確實有這個 |
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主委站在後面跟我們印尼 我不曉得是哪一位然後可能有一個MOU還是簽訂備忘錄 這個不是在印尼的這個不是在印尼的那個記者會 這個是事後我們在台灣的研討會上面所以我要說的是 我在這麼重要的一個國際性的合作 |
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預算裡面只有一筆沒宣費所以為什麼主委答不出來說到底這個海費辦公室印尼我們所了解我們到底在哪裡剛才哼哈哼哈哼哼叭叭的講說快在我們印尼的駐外辦事處裡面 |
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所以我的意思說所以我對媒宣會還是最強力做監督那細節的部分我們處長他可以給委員比較細節上面的說明最好能夠讓我很具體的知道現在除了那一則新聞之後你們到底做了什麼事情好不好好我們會給委員一個報告謝謝 |
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好 謝謝王宏威委員 接下來我們請吳祁銘委員謝謝好 召委一位同仁 請我們海委會我們的管組委 |
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好 主委好 主委現在我們國家船母實驗室在推動中其實我們都知道我們海洋 海委會尤其在海洋的過程中都很辛苦所以我們對我們海委會我們所有的預算本席在這邊是非常的支持因為我們都知道大家都在準備所以為了說要守護我們這個國土 |
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大家都是很辛苦但是我現在本席要要求就是說我們現在很多包括說海專也好過去的海專現在海洋科技大學保安海洋大學現在他們的遭受這個新生的速度有點緩慢那其實這跟我們的海型海洋都有連帶關係所以說未來我們要怎麼來輔助 |
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年輕一輩大家都有這個志向來投入我們的海洋不管生態也好 海巡署也好 整個海洋我們還是要鼓勵這些年輕人來投入我想請主委有沒有具體的辦法 |
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謝謝謝謝委員從很宏觀結構性的角度來探討我們海洋相關的人才培育的問題確實我們非常希望說在國內的高等教育有關於海洋相關的科系我們希望能夠多而且希望能夠招生能夠滿額 |
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那這個部分的話不見得是我們完全可以掌握但是我們必須要做盤點然後對於海洋的人力結構的培育的問題我們要掌握它的一個趨勢來提出我們應該要有的見解 |
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那有關於最直接為我們所急需用的部分我們就有透過我們的努力去增班譬如說海巡相關的訓練我們無論是海專也好或者是海大也好那人力的訓練都必須要增加它的量能才能夠更符合我們的需要 |
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那未來我們也不排除跟這兩個學校以外的其他的海洋相關的大學再來探討合作的方式但是除此以外其他的訓練跟社會性的海洋的意識的海洋的素養的這一方面的教育我們也都有在努力 |
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好的 因為主委 因為我想說為什麼我會提出這個呢 現在我們了解說很多年輕人的投入我們的海洋這個比例算是非常低所以說我們說不管海巡署 |
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各港口開放給小朋友在學的學生他們來參觀你有參觀就有解說他們了解說這生態這個海洋以及投入這個工作的重要性現在很多都未來會斷層未來用招聘 |
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跟考期的結隊都不一樣我們一定要去討論各位委員報告我們有辦但是就是說以海巡來講我們必須在不影響他們的勤業務的勤任務的這個旅行的餘力之下來辦我們都有辦我們甚至有帶年輕人去東沙那這些營隊我們都有辦但是沒辦法非常多所以呢我們就從國海院 |
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我們就來發展一個海洋素養教育我們就變成深入學校而且是深入到國民教育深入到國小 深入到國中那我們已經培養了300多個種子教師我們有一套教案跟教具 |
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這一套教案跟教具是非常好的啟發性的科學教材我們已經進入了200多所學校來實施這個教材所以我們盡量去推廣 |
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我們是很希望說等到他發展到一個成熟的階段的時候我們來跟教育部協商讓這個海洋的教育我們這一套海洋素養的教育看如何能夠真的變成更制度性的來在校園裡面推廣 |
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他的這個教材是到國小國中都可以實施的一個教材甚至於我們要去研發到高中程度的本土化的這個海洋素養教育的教材謝謝 謝謝主委這一定要持續持續去推動針對我們的教育中心就四處 台南 屏隆 台中 |
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新竹但是未來新北也要把他納入進去本席的建議時間上的問題好 謝謝謝謝吳祁銘委員 謝謝我們接下來請黃婕委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請貫主委 |
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好主委好 首先要跟您請教這個海漂垃圾的問題因為其實大家都知道說過去金馬長期淪為中國的垃圾場那這個問題其實困擾我們的離島非常久那也知道說2017年曾經有共同要維護這個海域清潔來進行一次的合作然後就此之後再也沒有了 |
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那變成說這個光是金門每年的大概500公噸的海漂的垃圾大概八成就來自於中國那甚至之前還發生過疑似說有這個海漂死豬然後也可能是這個有非洲豬瘟的病毒也可能是來自中國沿岸那常常這樣子飄過來飄過來然後包括說麻竹也是也差不多是600公噸左右加起來可能超過千 |
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超過千公噸的垃圾都是來自中國然後也有報導指出其實每年這個金馬都很努力的在淨灘但是再怎麼淨灘每年就算淨灘兩千字一天 |
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一天超過十幾次的淨灘的次數也沒有辦法把這樣的垃圾清運完畢所以我有注意到說今年3月我們管主委有到這個印太的海洋廢棄物的治理國際論壇這上面有提到說希望可以成立印太的海廢合作平台那我覺得這個倡議非常好但是目前的進度如何呢有沒有具體的規劃可不可以讓我們知道說接下來這樣子這麼重大的問題會有所改善 |
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謝謝委員吹詢剛剛也有委員吹詢到譬如說我們跟印尼的合作那個就是在印太海費治理平台當中的跨國的合作跨國的合作我們目前能夠連結起來的有印尼有韓國有日本 |
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那其實在這個平台裡面我第一時間第一年開始這個計畫的時候第一時間非常想要連結的就是中國因為我們的離島從中國過來的海漂垃圾其實問題確實是非常的嚴重 |
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那這個海費治理平台大家可以交流的它包括說海費的辨識AI辨識我們可以交流那另外就是海費它溯源的時候你在溯源的時候對於容器也好養殖的使用的這個材質也好等等都可以有政策治理方面的這個交流跟溝通那海費的處理也可以透過這個平台來溝通 |
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所以跟委員報告我們知道兩岸之間政治的敏感但是這個課題是要超越政治所以我們非常的低調我們委託金門在地的學術機構希望透過他們來跟對岸學術機構也好NGO也好由他們來對接以後然後讓這個平台可以搭建起來我們委託案都出去了但是就是基於說第一次接觸的結果 |
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對岸本來我們也已經談到了說那我這邊來怎麼樣處理這個研討事項那也在對岸也來處理研討的事項但是在討論到細節的時候呢我想對岸可能還是去處理到了這個政治的問題就是說他把它用兩岸融合促進的概念要來包裝 |
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這時候這樣的連結就中斷了我們覺得非常的可惜但是還是沒有放棄我們還是很希望透過離島的學術機關或者是NGO能夠兩岸之間對接起來或者說兩岸的政府 |
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不要有政治的框架的情況之下其實如果沒有政治的框架的話任何問題兩岸都可以談那現在就是政治卡住了這個問題的處理我們也覺得非常的遺憾是啊 所以我也希望說這個其實因為飄過來的都是造成我們金馬沿岸居民的困擾非常嚴重的困擾對海洋也是很傷害 |
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是的 所以這樣子的問題如果能夠用各式各樣的方法去突破的話要拜託主委這邊再努力不要變成說中國的垃圾都是台灣在買單然後造成我們的居民然後沿岸的這個生態嚴重的影響海洋是大家的不管哪一國的人民都應該要共同保育海洋才對 |
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我們這一次特別把國際的研討會拉到金門來舉辦來探討海廢治理的這個課題也是很希望很希望就是說海洋是跨域的海洋是沒有國界的對尤其是海漂垃圾是沒有國界的我在中洲礁 |
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做淨灘的時候也是越南的垃圾飄過來的所以這是跨國的治理是非常有必要去透過這個平台大家共同來解決問題共同來守護我們沒有國界的海洋好的 謝謝主委的說明謝謝主委的努力希望中國能夠擺脫這個政治的操作大家都應該共同負起責任好 謝謝主委那最後一點時間我們請海保署的陸署長 |
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我要肯定一下因為其實我知道說現在我們有在進行一個推動這個珊瑚特遣聯盟這樣的計畫那我覺得非常好就是把北中南大概有二十幾家目前的潛水業者都有加入如果可以先回座對那這個特遣聯盟我覺得很好其實就是讓第一線他們長期有在潛水自己在海洋裡面都可以來協助說當這個觀察員嘛 |
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那當然我會希望說還要更好那接下來有沒有機會讓這個家數可以再增加呢就我所知目前大概是20家那因為其實我們大概有40處的海域那接下來有沒有機會再增加這樣子的業者的人數 |
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那讓更多人可以投入這個觀察的行列是謝謝委員這個我們其實每一年都在增加那委員剛提到25家那我們今年到115已經29家所以我們每年持續的在因為每增加一家其實我們都要去做教育跟培訓所以他們知道怎麼去認珊瑚怎麼去做珊瑚的筆測跟珊瑚在委員這邊很關心那個海洋的污染所以包含下去的時候絕對是物理防曬不可以有其他的化學防曬的使用對所以我們持續的推動相關的這個加速 |
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好那另外一件事情就是說因為我也知道說現在像是小琉球啊每年大概有110萬的觀光客但是我們是鼓勵他們親海愛海這個都沒有問題可是目前看起來這個小琉球的珊瑚已經近乎是失能 |
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的狀態了那甚至是近乎死亡那我會覺得說這有點兩難啦就是我們一方面希望說大家可以來小琉球認識海那台灣的各方的海域都是非常棒的體驗但是同時造成的珊瑚的生態危機這個應該要怎麼樣去進一步同時能夠兼顧呢這個是一個難題 |
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是謝謝委員其實小琉球這邊海委會也有持續在推動大平台跟小平台的會議那就海保署這邊其實我們有針對小琉球特別去做各個地區比較細節的水質的調查去知道說那多少的遊客跟遊客的分佈跟遊客的狀況會對水質產生什麼樣子的影響因為珊瑚的在小琉球的問題其實最大問題是剛才委員提到的遊客數所以造成水質的問題 |
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那我們也持續的在做復育就是帶他的水質只要好一些我們就是持續在復育所以小樂球今年我們有回種一千多顆的珊瑚那有部分的珊瑚其實恢復的狀況還不錯對啊所以這個也希望說同時也要讓遊客更有意識的知道說他對於生態的知識也要同時增加而不是說大家在遊玩的同時但是對海洋是一無所知的好這個再拜託署長謝謝 |
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主席 現在主委主委好 |
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主委本社先跟你探討一下最近大家都覺得聽到的東西做得覺得很方便的就是高度地圖APP在這個過程當中我相信大家都會認為現在的時代就是好用好看方便這是最重要的 |
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因為我們的單位非常辛苦,非常做這個工作的當中我們請主委,在這個過程當中最近你應該有看到,在那個紅燈的地方,差幾秒後我看到這條行啊 |
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是西方,還是這條行啊,要我請病、請病,看一清二楚在這個過程當中,我們學長的,就是覺得,我們國安的問題由於我們海巡署 |
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是要保障中華民國台灣所以本身跟你說這個問題就是主委 如果你請教的從發生到現在的時候 你知道我們的董事 |
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你們有去清查 我們當然會有很多人擁護來 主委請回答一下主委很關心 跟委員報告海巡都有清查過 海衛會也清查是沒有人在使用沒有人在使用 我也不關你自己的事因為主委 來現在就是希望我們危害國家的主案的安全 身邊的審查辦法現在會依這個辦法 專門去審查 |
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我相信 不用等這個選擇出來委員會跟海巡 我是禁止大家來使用因為主委在本席所了解我相信你的領導能力尤其剛才你說 |
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這個規定當中 我覺得應該是要做的 不能說我們公部門訂出來 不能使用因為我們的單位是很特別 不是說它沒有資料 沒有辦法看這不是這樣 這是為了我們國家的安全和國安 所以我們要這樣處理 |
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因為中國利用高科技來保護肺腺和社會控制的工庫這件事情做得很徹底他把高科技運用來做關節做很多所以他會把這種的輸扣這種的輸費放在他很多產品的面前所以我們就要提供這個很高的要用很高的經濟來提供 |
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像這樣這種的產品我們是不願意去使用因為我們不知道他在裡面他要控制我們什麼樣的地步我們不能沒有那個方向尤其是我們是國安的單位尤其是應該要做因為我相信你的領導能力也在這個開始有這個情形的時候你也做 |
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因為我相信市長的領導能力,那天說的時候,大家說 |
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我可以再做好所以在這裡剛好大家的同事都繼續鼓勵在這裡本身是覺得有這個經驗是最 |
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這個答案也是本省所要的答案第二點就是台灣是一個寒冷的國家現在民眾要釋放的方法也越來越多尤其我們的香水也好水上摩托車也好 |
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都做得好 做一做 大家都要親近大海但是在海委會裡面85年有推動一個海域安全無障礙的提升裡面我們有用到AI現在大家都聽到AI都說有夠先進的 有夠好的但是本身所了解 |
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因為這項你們的提出,我是100%支持的,但是在這個規定主委,這個議會的總議席裡面,有最早的議會4月1日 |
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後來結果以上書審出來的時候變3月7日後來到3月接到憲政院的核定的時候全2月7天幾萬,但是各位,這件事不是違條 |
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這是很大的改變 尤其我們的界隈是不是變很多沒有這個金額當中 我覺得是差很多因為災情維穩法 跟委員報告就是說我們的界隈裡面有一部分是補助地方政府 |
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補助地方政府的部分因為這個財化法通過之後我們在補助地方政府的部分就都有受到影響這個項目就是因為財政委員會通過所以補助地方政府的部分就這樣大大 |
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因為主委本事要跟你講的就是說你們的理論的裁判法在後面,地方政府有機制因為行政有困難嘛對,但是事實上你們去了解說這個做法在地方的時候你們如果沒有中央的補助的誘因的時候 |
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電影政府不一定要做我們會很積極跟電影政府溝通希望他們很有意願另外我們也想來看補助民間的部分有沒有機會可以在補助民間配合電影政府去做 |
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因為這是我拿出來的政策來推動的嘛我是很希望他能夠成功嘛現在遇到這樣的問題的時候說起來我也是很高興因為主委本身要跟你說的就是這個採訪法的時候我們有想過一遍但是在總統的辦法之下我們才實施給所有有的人 |
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也無量不中的,有時候減的變減的變減的所以在執行的當中,是到底帶一條所以本身要跟主委說的就是,我們不管裁判法如何就是地方政府一定要有誘因,不像 |
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本身我自己去的,自己去,四十位都沒有害但是我們為了要照應我們的主席,怎麼去保護害羊,怎麼去注意 |
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我們去他的安全,這是一種教育要有適合開始,讓他們知道所以在這個過程當中,我也看到我們的教育機器教育的範圍會做得越來越久,尤其本社所了解,教育官司 |
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是合理辦,還是怎樣辦,不辦越來越多,是辦越來越久所以,主委,我們想跟你說,不代表家裡的錢,家中的孩子,沒有花費他就不需要這個教育,更加需要有這個教育,所以我問 |
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主委跟署長 未來我們要知道我們要讓全中華民國的台灣的百姓 因為我們的孩子要去了解海洋的重要 |
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現在今年它價值要在1.726元不然這已經14年了如果有更大的能量的時候我們就叫海保署增加幾倍主委在這裡本席就是要跟你說因為在84年本席看到的5.4億 |
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我認為不應該這樣去做 主委也聽到了委員會有地方來請出教育我們的孩子如何去保護孩子所以在未來的時候 也不是自己去做 |
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剛好全台灣的企業都了解要如何去保護我們的海洋最重要市長 委員所說的就是 委員關心到假期期限海洋的步驟那麼久一年半前 委員就在這裏給我訂令 |
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我叫國廚去跟市政府討論你有沒有什麼案件拿來申請因為主要都是要地方拿出來申請所以慢慢地我們希望可以改善不可以因為市政府害所以我這陣子的時間已經超過了但是我認為 |
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大家討論 因為我知道 我也聽到了我們的董事說 什麼人地方沒提出來申請 我也問問這個會議的時候 我們有中央跟地方合作可以做到嗎是不是我們也可以跟地方說 我們有這個結尾 跟你們請不請 |
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我們要用李柏毅在委資訊 |
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謝謝有請管主委,辛苦了 |
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主委很久沒審預算了上一次審預算是2024年9月在我們委員會那一年的預算其實非常的遺憾當然在委員會裡面大家是有經過充分討論非常認真審議那民進黨團的部分呢我們也是原班人馬要繼續來審這個海洋委員會的預算之外呢 |
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我們在2024年的那個預算其實我們做了非常多的討論基本上我們的立場就是要人給人 要錢給錢甚至我們還爭取這個深夜圍牢津貼的部分 |
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但很遺憾其實在2024年我們去到院會的時候被其他的這些提案呢幾乎把我們內政委員會審議完畢的預算全部打亂那我當然是很期待那也要呼籲在野黨委員 |
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我們等一下一起來審議這個預算我們有經過充分的討論那也希望未來我們可以在院會裡面共同捍衛我們一起來審議的這一份預算啦是 謝謝召委 |
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其實今天這一份預算應該是在去年度的8月29號就已經送入立法院我們經過了245天的時間終於可以在內政委員會審議 |
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我們幾乎是全院第一個來審議預算的委員會那我在這邊說明為什麼我要必須要排列內政委員會必須要排列海委會先來做這些預算的審查報告在我們的 |
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今天我先說明今天所有的預算我大概都全力支持之外但是我有做幾個提案的這些包含希望海委會跟行政院可以做出相關的這些專案報告書面報告來給委員會包含深夜圍牢津貼接下來的執行狀況包含這個剛剛主委講到這個我來排 |
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要考察岸巡隊的環境因為接下來會有你說會有超過100億中長城計畫希望可以來支持我們所有岸巡海巡的這些工作環境不是只有給錢啦工作的環境也要好人家才願意來來擔任我們海巡岸巡人員嘛好那接下來還有針對我們很關心的斷纜權宜輪還有侵入我們海域的這一些我們希望 |
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可以讓國人安心那我們整個海巡署這些相關的這些程序怎麼做我們希望都可以喔那接下來我還針對 |
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海洋委員會其實相對我們高雄市政府有海洋局賴瑞榮就當過海洋局的局長那海洋局要做什麼跟海委會一樣除了這些可能涉及我們目前這個有海委會裡面有在包含海巡包含海保等等那我希望重視產業這一塊所以包含船員的培訓包含可能涉及有相關海洋 |
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方面可以有相關產業的部分其實我們都應該要站在福島那可以讓他可以上軌道的這個角度不是只有海保也不是只有海巡我們結合那可以讓產業也可以發展大概兩個部分跟委員報告第一個高雄市政府的話他們發展帆船的航行相關的活動還有郵輪還有遊艇展對我們非常的支持 |
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另外我們其實跟海洋局的合作也很密切我們有一個興達港有一個碼頭的強固跟疏浚的計畫大概18億多18億多的案件就委託海洋局來替我們執行這個對漁業將來都會有幫助 |
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高雄就是遠洋漁業重鎮那所以當然我們在國際上透過農業部跟這個不管是歐盟或者是其他太平洋島國之間的這些互動還有外交部的協助其實高雄在我過去 |
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跟高雄遠洋漁業的這些接觸其實我大概知道我們中央政府農業部那甚至我們未來海委會都可以協助很多啦他們對海洋事務的推動非常的積極這個管組也非常清楚過去你的選區有非常多遠洋漁業的這些朋友們那另外 |
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針對這些不明小艇要強化我們的禁案的這些監測那以及這個中國的這個海警或者是中國的漁船的聚集那對於我們的這些漁民安全情資掌握以及海上巡護等等我們都希望海委會有更多更精密的這些作業可以讓漁民讓國人安心 |
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也有很多其他委員有提到無人機我想在這邊也說明一下我曾經協助有一些尤其是接下來玩水的人又多了可能又有一些海上必須要救援的這些案件除了內政部 |
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這個空勤總隊的巡防之外其實我們也高度期待海委會這邊的無人機那無人機有人可能會把無人機當作玩具當然也有玩具的無人機也有到這個 |
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上個禮拜才跟我們副組委在司法聯席委員會裡面針對我們海巡署要增設一名副署長那天非常快一下大家都支持也有這種我提到的這種烏克蘭軍用無人機可以攔截飛彈你說它貴嗎它相對於攔截飛彈相對於這種飛彈來講它非常便宜所以無人機非常非常多種 |
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我們在過去在協助包含相關的這些搜救救援不管是我們國軍的弟兄又或者是我們民眾戲水等等的我們高度期待無人機可以再增設多一點因為每次有這些災難發生的時候 |
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其實我想很多在講無人機的人沒有看過但是我也感謝海委會其實在高雄辦了兩次這個巡演的時候其實也有展示相關的這些無人機的系統那所以我們很清楚它要偵測它不是只要能飛上它要有非常多的鏡頭鏡頭要到什麼程度等等的可以達到可以偵搜或者是可以 |
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快速的看到可能這個落海者啦或者是相關的漁船的定位等等的我們高度的期待啦這好像家裡要買新車一樣就是我們很期待我們這個海委會的這些相關的無人機的系統尤其是夜間是夜間要看得到 |
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黃金24小時黃金36小時我們都很希望可以快速可以徵收到可以救援到那也可以掌握到所有的訊息跟議員報告就是說我非常信任海巡因為海巡從國艦國造以來他執行國家非常非常多的大企劃跟大案 |
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那都非常非常的順利而且非常維持在廉政都沒有發生過政風案件在採購的部分那也讓我們的海巡有越來越好的設備然後越來越好的能力所以這個部分請委員放心當然我們監督是需要的要人給人 要錢給錢 要裝備給裝備支持海巡 謝謝 |
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謝謝我們感謝李博義財委就是我們這裡的政見財委員就是謝謝 |
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主席有請主委主委好海洋委員會在去年就是114年度的結算是339億多 |
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執行數這個執行數就是執行比例高達百分之九十幾執行效率很好也就是說按照預算法第54條的規定我們今年的預算115年度預算 |
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因為各種因素的關係沒有審查 |
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一樣可以繼續執行上年度的執行數也就是114年度的執行數新興計劃有受影響對新興計劃是要經過立法院的同意也同意了沒有同意我們的部分把我們當孤兒這個按照預算法第54條的規定 |
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如果你認為你是孤兒可以依預算法第54條主動送立法院本來是主動按照預算法第54條的規定是行政機關要主動實施總預算審查我們今天當然已經審查這個預算了希望能夠趕快通過但是呢也要拜託也要請管主委 |
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要去拜託行政院院長因為海巡署有很多的軍人也會受到軍人待遇條例的規定的一個符合這個軍人待遇條例既然立法院通過了就依法便利預算這個部分我們共同的來去推動才是會更好因為海巡署的同仁也都很辛苦 |
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包括海巡署又有警察出身的警察任用的也都會適用到警察人員人事條例的修正案所以這個部分應該要共同的去推動接下來要談這個跟海洋基本法有關係的 |
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這個野生動物保育法第21條之一規定台灣原住民族基於傳統文化基於可以獵捕利用野生動物這個相關的條文這邊海洋原住民族基本法第23條也規定 |
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政府應尊重原住民主選擇生活方式習俗的一個規定為什麼要談這個呢現在的原住民從過去到現在有不斷的因為生活的需要會到都會期現在都會期的原住民有社戶級的喔52% |
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加上沒有社戶籍就學就業的百分之七十在都會區在都會區所以在相關的這些規定裡面都有原基法二十三條然後呢海洋基本法第十條特別規定 |
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政府應建立合一機制尊重維護保存傳統用海智慧等海洋文化資產保障以傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益所以這裡面沒有提到 |
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原住民族第七海洋基本法第十條沒有規定是不限於原住民族第七而事實上過去台灣的原住民族一直都是在流動的從屏東的恆春滿洲牡丹鄉都有這樣繞了台灣一周跑到新城鄉花蓮的新城鄉 |
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在那邊居住已經也幾十年了所以這個部分都會有流動所以我們在用海的時候你說他在他在恆春用海跟海一起生活到了任何一個地方一樣會跟海一起生活所以海洋基本法第十條也規定得很清楚那海洋基本法第十六條規定第一項 |
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本法實行後兩年內應該依本法規定去檢討去修正是要修正什麼呢譬如說這個野生動物保育法或者是漁業法應該配合修正沒有修正的話要怎麼樣解釋可以第二項來解釋 |
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這個遺業法第44條規定主管機關為資源管理及遺業結構調整得以公告規定所列四項列了九款一些限制跟這個禁止的規定所以必須要去做解釋有沒有這種案例呢原住民族基本法第34條的第一項說三年內要修正結果很多法規沒有修正所以第二項 |
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第二項有說可以解釋過去曾經做過解釋依原基法第34條跟漁業法44條就做了解釋我今天舉這個案例也就是說要請海洋委員會跟農業部要依第16條海洋基本法第16條的第二項 |
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來去解釋一頁法第44條有哪個具體的部分要去解決嗎當然有這個我開過協調我們再跟委員請教好了如果需要協調我們就來協調我們對原住民非常重視法治的部分是可以解釋我們對原住民支持的方案非常的多也一併再跟委員報告謝謝 |
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謝謝謝謝謝謝曾天才委員接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員進行詢問謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 在場的委員 先敬各位議長 工作夥伴 媒體經理 女士先生有請我們海委會管主委副主委也可以請從旁協助 署長主委好 |
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主委最近很關心我們海委會的事情我們也辦了一些頒獎來表揚也親自到了我們的南疆去巡護主委覺得我們目前在整個海巡的業務上是不是都與日俱進 |
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大家士氣高昂那各方面的工作跟過去相比之下我們很多的業務跟過去比起來都更精進是 功遇善其事必先利其器所以今天這個題目呢我之前在國防委員會也就教於國防部因為海上的事務呢兩者之間有相通之處那我先請教一下主委這個我們的網路被侵擾1.7億次影子艦隊來破壞海染這個都是我們遇到的 |
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那在這個灰色地帶漁船跟橡皮艇的滲透這個怎麼去應對 |
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跟委員報告我們在海嵐的部分我們當然第一個事先我們就會有建立一個市井的名單那相比點最近我們有看到來偷渡的也有看到我們的官兵跑到對岸去游過去那這個我們來看一下小型船艇入侵難監測對不對雷達不好監測因為面積小 |
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那麼漁船的話他會關閉或衛照AIS對不對那是不是我們之前有問過請教過主委用SAR就是河城口徑的雷達那有沒有可能用影像來觀測呢 |
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我們一定要去建立AI辨識的功能我們目前有在開發我們來看一下AI怎麼用影像觀測我們無人艇它的好處它跟無人機不同無人機的滯空時間有限制無人艇在海上它的時間是比較長的有發現目標就可以執行任務但是什麼是目標其實要影像來建立日間夜間又不同 |
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那尋標的部分呢要靠高階晶片這是台灣的強項所以現在看起來影像很重要包括這個無人艇它自動去跟蹤就像我們說的這個要接近去驅離還是後面去跟蹤那麼影像辨識目前我們需要資料影像庫已經取得了嗎 |
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我們逐漸的在建立之中因為AI本來就是要越多的學習那如何大量取得呢如何取得大量的海上平面影像資料庫 |
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有關於這部分的細節等一下署長可以做更多的說明但是基本上我們現在能夠協助辨識的所有的這個資訊都逐步的在進入這個資料庫之中來我們請副主委署長來上次我問過國防部他們有瑞恩二型從上來看但是水平的部分 |
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沒有缺乏這樣的影像啊那因為你們不是在天上飛你們的艇在水面上走你們有海平面的影像資料庫嗎跟委員報告我們現在影像獲得四種的方式第一個部分就是友方我們的友盟部分會提供相關的提供台灣海域的嗎還是提供他們自己海域的 |
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都有都有就提供部分的這個影像給我們使用第二部分就是我們的艦船艇這一個600噸以上的我們艦船艇都有那個隨時的影像包括我們現在35噸以上你們總共數量有多少35噸跟600噸以上統統加起來我們現在總數加起來198艘198艘不到200艘你知道我國的漁船有多少嗎我印象中應該是兩萬多很好來我們來看一下民間怎麼做 |
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Google的街景車他有自己拍的他也有請計程車拍的對不對 自己部件他構築的街景那向外面採購呢就是計程車幫他計程車現在很簡單啊他現在這個影像監控啊大家都有嗎 |
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這個駕駛上都有一個照相機所以有沒有考慮過我們也可以尋求民間用徵求影像的方式來廣泛的收集我國附近海域跟附近作業的船隻漁船來跟他們徵求影像 |
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各位我們不排除任何的可能另外我們在無人艇的部分那我們在那個光真信裡面我們就有便利算要採購無人艇那我們在無人艇進來以後我們有一點點像是仙島型我們先試看看到底我們 |
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的使用情形如何 另外一個部分跟委員報告就是因為無人艇部分因為它受限於它的天線高度所以它的徵收的範圍它還是有它的極限所以這部分那個剛剛委員的指導部分我們不排除任何的可能好 謝謝 來 主委所以說剛剛聽到的預算很重要今年我們的預算在海委會這邊編列了相當的預算 如果這預算不能順利通過 是不是會嚴重的影響到我們海疆的巡撫 |
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我們很希望就是說今天的審議能夠還是再度得到委員會委員們給我們大力的支持那以我們去年來講幾乎就是在委員會的時候幾乎就是非常非常大的將近百分之百的支持我們除了少數少數的凍結 |
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所以我們全力支持那我們也希望說未來的採購模式不是只有採購因為無人機的特質跟無人機不同它不是一次性它可以重複使用它在訓練的耗損也比較低而且它迭代的更替不像無人機PV那麼快 |
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所以它可以有三到五年的時間來逐步的更新它的設備往下看所以我們舉例來講如果說今天我們要買先進戰機 主力戰機可能你要採購作戰用的但是如果要訓練我們的飛行員用國產的高校機就可以了同樣的道理我們的無人艇未來如果都要求買來的每一艘 |
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都是最先進的設備有兩個問題第一個造價很貴第二個它的設備的退流行很快啊它可能一年兩年又被更新了那是不是有考慮過跟海軍在我也跟海軍上建議有沒有可能我們在建置我們的水面無人載具跟水面以下的無人載具可以先有訓練用的以國產國造的來優先構置來思考 |
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我們跟海軍的部分已經有一部分是跟海軍一起有聯合在學習是那屬於我們自己的部分的話我們現在還在採購的程序當中是 那我的建議是說你們的採購程序可以考慮租賃並行 |
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有的訓練用的你可以變成用服務契約的方式請他來提供尾管損耗等等都有廠商來負責但是你們自己要用的長期要用的你們要買斷那個副主委您覺得這個是不是上次我在詢問國防部長的時候你也在場你覺得在海巡的部分有沒有可能性 |
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各位網友這是有可能的另外一部分我們現在主要的採購部分我們希望這個除了維修能夠落地以外我們也希望能夠跟國內的這個生產廠家把技術移轉這是我們最主要目的那這個目的最主要就是它可以降低成本另外一個就跟普和剛剛委員說的我不一定每一個都要用高階那我可以做一些是訓練用的有一些是這個我徵收用的那有一些是可以比較長效期的這個船艦的部分來使用 |
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那也可以搭配我們現在的熊貓體來使用那我覺得這個委員的構想非常好就是說我們可以適應不同的水域不同的供應需求來做不同的調整好 謝謝吳主席最後就是兩個部分您看一看就是請研議海象影像資料庫的建立方法及內容形式可以提出一個評估 |
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另外呢無人艦艇的採購是不是考慮租購並行的可行義我們可能下個階段會規劃租賃的問題那現階段的話我們落地維保是一定要求的那甚至於說我硬體要落地生產也是我們在考慮中的那anyway我們會朝向發展國內的產業也一併考慮在內的方向來規劃好我們也希望郭文超也全力支持這個預算謝謝謝謝 |
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謝謝 謝謝宗教兵委員 謝謝接下來我們請徐欣盈委員質詢謝謝主席 本席有請管主委 |
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主委好 主委好 主委我們今天審查預算那我們看到這個海委會在今年度總預算將近340億海巡署以及其所屬就編列了295億將近295億 |
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這表示我們海委會的預算核心大概就是我們海巡署這也是我們國家海洋安全的第一線 |
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那這些錢就是裡面當然我們都有看到籌建海巡艦艇巡護船發展計畫以及海巡艦船艇維運經費包含大修等等還有海巡碼頭強化整體發展及興建都包含在裡面 |
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那這些錢能不能真正轉化為防範灰色地帶襲擾的能力我們建制 |
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裝備或是硬體各方面那建制這個經費用了有沒有形成完整的戰力鏈這點我想國人也非常非常的關心所以現在台灣面對的海洋安全已經不是傳統的單一的威脅 |
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所以對於灰色地帶的襲擾我想主委應該很清楚我們不管是非法越界越界捕魚或者是一些像非法抽砂甚至走私偷渡 海上犯罪 |
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以及漁業衝突還有海難救助都是整個的海委會這裡海巡這裡的一個工作那所以像這樣的一個部分從買裝備有沒有到形成完整的戰力鏈我不知道說主委這裡有沒有針對這個每一項任務的預算佔比年度KPI責任單位以及應處流程有沒有一個完整的 |
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您先說明一下這一塊整個戰利鏈你們花這麼多錢你對於譬如說最簡單的我們剛剛講灰色地帶洗澡發生的時候海巡如何及時發現 |
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跟委員報告 第一個當然是我們的秦堅真來講的話那昨天大家在報上看到就是我們企獲了一位準備要偷渡到對岸 求勇到對岸的一個偷渡犯我們把他抓到了 他是以前被判刑我不是在跟你談這樣的個案這個就是我們的裝備 |
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譬如說我們之前抓到一艘抽砂船然後發現他也抽了很多我們的砂 |
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那我们要的是你怎么及时发现你能够及时恶阻那这个是更重要的所以这样好了我第一个问就灰色地带洗澡发生的时候海巡如何及时发现 |
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我們一看到我們會從種種情間真的資訊屬於我們自己的資訊的話現在有辦法嗎我們每一次海警船一進來我們甚至於還沒有到我們就續船那怎麼會讓它這個沙抽了很多 |
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抽砂的部分跟委員報告而且通常抽砂應該都已經很靠岸了我們現在幾乎都歸零了抽砂這兩年幾乎都歸零了意思就是說都沒有發生了對現在已經都沒有了因為我們法律修訂以後抓到就關一年以上然後船還可以沒收我還可以把你的船摧毀你還可以拍賣 |
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我們發現以後 就我們一個一個來嘛目前主委認為可以及時發現嘛發現之後是不是有建立跟相關單位包含像國防部或交通部 農業部或地方政府我們自己能處理的部分情資的共享 經常性我們都有平台已經都有平台在情資共享 |
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那有關海巡艦艇、岸際雷達、無人機以及巡防艇還有特勤單位的分工也整個建制大家都很完善他們在海上應該要如何的協情合作委員知道就是說譬如說我們要去查一個毒品案那個是何等何等的風險那種高風險你不是合作無間那如果是這樣的話是不是多久可以提出 |
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提出給本委員會這個海域灰色地帶襲擾運儲的責任鏈這樣的一個報告可以嗎包含列出裝備你列出裝備而且清楚的發現通報派遣收證運儲 |
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以及到檢討的完整流程可以提供這份報告嗎 流程可以那接著本席往下再問就是說我們的這個設備埋了也很重要那但是呢像我們看到海巡署編列這個艦艇的籌建57億多維修也35億多那他的這個 |
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妥善率跟可用率大概是多少目前艦艇 這樣好了 因為時間關係是不是也可以提供給我們委員會可以齁 個型艦艇目前的妥善率跟可用率我知道委員很溫馨 委員有很多提案 |
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然後再來就是我們設備各方面都建置好其實我們的海巡人力也是很重要的所以本席想請問現在整個艦艇上的配備人力還有我們海巡弟兄的 |
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缺額聽說是蠻嚴重不足的跟委員報告 我們到今年年底又會改善一波我先講現況 先講一下現況現況大概是缺額1000名左右927 |
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對 967人但是到年底的時候我們還會再下修我們希望是差不多508人到年底我們大概會降到508人所以這一塊我們真的要加強但是這等於達成率都90%以上 |
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對,但是你看缺額這麼多,它展現出來的問題是什麼?到年底大幅改善展現出來的問題就是,因為這個不是文官的工作所以他們的過度負荷,還有很辛苦,但是成果很好,所以真的是很心疼當然很心疼,所以這一塊一定要想辦法改善甚至本席聽說這個還有整個老化的問題 |
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就是表示因為你看缺這麼多表示大家不願意來那這個誘因還有這個問題出在哪我想主委您一定要詳細去了解因為我們覺得人多就平安這個在警政署在消防署包含我們海巡 |
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這個人力一定要給他補足不然整個的勤務負荷還有我們想了解的就是說因為我們看到整個的基本行政運作費海巡署也有達到155億多 |
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那所以除了興建廳舍各方面之外我們最想知道的是第一線海巡人員的勤務負荷危險的保險以及他救援效率還有 |
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這個整個對人民平安的保障我們一直很努力在改善海巡團整個福利制度的照顧那為什麼缺額會這麼多你有沒有發現問題在哪為什麼缺額這麼多問題出在哪裡跟委員報告少子化當然是一個大架構但是在去年四月份加薪了以後我們的招募的達成率大幅提高百分之二十幾所以流盈率也大幅的提高 |
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因為時間的關係我有說到年底是508人的缺額的話可以看到那個缺額縮小到這個程度的時候那年輕人就等於是一直補進來了現在說到年底508可能也是您說到時候有沒有辦法招募這麼多 |
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都精神沒關係但是我們更重視第一線人員他們的輪班負荷這個是不是有改善他們危險勤務包含他心理壓力一些教育訓練這一塊我們希望真的要為我們海巡弟兄我去到哪裡都問說你的休假有沒有正常絕大多數都告訴我休假是正常休假人力缺那麼多因為本席知道您剛三天坐那個艦艇回來 |
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我相信很多人都去支援您支援您那一艘艦艇那其他艘人力大概也就很缺乏各位報告沒有我們沒有因為這樣的行程影響勤務那這樣的行程本來就有任務所在的同仁必須要去那不會因為我去增加他們的負擔那最後我想那不然就 |
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也提出來給我們委員會海巡第一線人力他的勤務負荷危險保障還有心理支持改善的方案好不好對對對這第一個那第二個就是說海巡基本行政運作經費150億元多他的第一線授意說明也讓我們知道一下好不好那最後就是本席在 |
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這一屆第11屆我連續質詢兩次但是你們都沒做的主委你知道是什麼嗎有嗎來113年5月29號那特別的這個質詢這個在 |
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海委會的話是去年年底有質詢這個海洋廢棄物的部分有關這個漁網這個部分我們漁網回收每一年有目標值那我們目前都超過目標值不過跟委員報告就是說漁網漁去的廢棄物的處理這件事情對我們來講是很重要的一件事情 |
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但是這件事情我們跟漁業署之間魚網在那個底下要公告為因回收廢棄物的這件事情我們一直在努力那目前還在努力的過程之中很多魚網它就在海底整個的在那裡結果很多的魚都被它 |
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被那些漁網刺死了而且我們今天當然沒有時間講就是整個海委會海洋保育的部分大概預算7%這一塊真的要希望能夠我們的海洋保育還是非常重要請主委一定要重視好的我們包括整個海洋保育的組織改造都很重要我們計畫都做出來了組織改造但真正落實海洋保育更重要 |
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最後這個質詢是在告訴主委說你那些魚網破掉魚網它纏在海底就把很多的魚啊魚都被這些魚網刺死了那都沒有人去清這一塊真的要重視每一年有一個目標值 |
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您每一年有目標值本席現在所講的就是很明確的我們知道這個很多年都一直一直在那邊漁網都沒有人親如果有關注的熱區那剛剛署長告訴我委員關注的那一區已經清完了是也有打電話跟漁民聯絡了是不是請署長解釋一下 |
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跟委員很快10秒鐘報告就是委員關注的那一件其實我們在漁網本來就有分級就是分它是近岸縣市或者是山海裡外的那委員關注的那一件我們有查到當時委員的那個漁會跟相關的漁民所以我們有跟他聯繫就是之前的這些都已經清掉了那漁民也反映最近目前的狀況就好那奇怪我們昨天問是都沒有人去處理所以我們會後我們來了解好不好好謝謝 |
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謝謝許新英委員接下來我們請洪玉祥委員不在我們請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在我們請陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員不在我們請楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員不在我們請葉元芝委員 |
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很安請台委會主委 謝謝 |
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因為去年五月多的時候大陸有一個偷渡的他去網路上買什麼在拼多多買個橡皮艇然後就偷渡到台灣那時候因為海巡沒有辦法偵測到他來所以後來海巡署就說要去購買一些設備因為他們認為你們認為說橡皮艇材質面積太小嘛偵測容易被那個 |
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容易被雷達不容易被雷達偵測到然後目標太小了然後而且那麼多的人力要監控其實也可以降低人力負擔所以又完成了一個暗海偵監系統建置計畫那其中要購買紅外線熱影像系統99套還有環海智慧型監控系統176套 |
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那這個東西在去年五月份的時候海巡署還會講說這東西是非常重要因為有了這個東西才能夠抗拒就是中共的灰色作戰而且因應就是台海日益嚴峻的挑戰講這個東西非常非常非常重要 |
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那這個東西這個預算其實在去年的時候我們有提特別預算那預算其實也都已經過了那目前在執行當中但我比較好奇的是既然當初把這個東西講得這麼重要要趕快執行啊沒有執行的話就無法因應挑戰可是現在執行到底怎麼樣 |
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我們可以看到紅外線熱影像系統是編兩個年度要來採購今年是要採購35處那明年是要64處加起來是99處然後另外環島智慧監控系統今年是要建置101套明年75套請問一下這個東西現在買到了嗎 |
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我們正在招標的過程當中 還沒有決標主委因為海巡署也是歸您管的啦那去年把這個東西講的這麼重要 我都以為說要趕快錢拿到就趕快買啊然後結果到現在已經4月即將要進入到5月了然後問您什麼 你說還在採購中 採購中是哪一個階段現在 |
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目前備標的作業有一些陸陸續續成熟但是勤監督的部分還沒有決標但是招標的方式我們已經確定跟委員報告就是說招標的方式確定了以後海巡這邊他會經過仿商的過程然後去 |
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這個流程其實我們之前都有跟海巡署詢問過啦我就問你一個態度問題啦你覺得這會不會太慢呢跟委員報告海巡在任何一個部分他們本於專業然後我都給予他們最大的信賴最大的信賴所以你覺得這個速度是OK給予他們最大的信賴大家都是給予支持肯定嘛所以預算都過了嘛現在在講的是速度嘛 |
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我當然是覺得如果說去年五月發生那樣的事情然後你們認為說是因為等下你們認為說是因為當時的技術沒有辦法偵測到那所以要趕快建置計畫要趕快購買那預算也過了今年都要進入到五月了然後目前你剛剛說在招標中實際上招標程序有很多但目前為止連公道都沒有 |
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你要公告然後才會有廠商看到公告之後來投標投標之後你要資格標你要開標評選然後評選完之後要交貨交貨要驗收其實後面還有很長一段路要走但你現在連準備公告都還沒那已經過了四個月了 |
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那我是不知道說這個東西是卡在哪裡啦就是說連要公告都速度要這麼慢你如果講說我公告了然後沒有廠商投標或者是價格大家不接受所以我要第一次招標第二次招標第三次招標你已經進入到程序裡面了那我覺得你還有話講 |
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現在是連公告都還沒有公告因為科技日新月異我們訪商的過程也遇到了一些時間的需要這個部分我都支持海巡有關於招標的方式是一定必須依採購法 |
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就對我說知道 我覺得不要拉圈圈啦大家都懂採購法 現在講的是速度我如果在這裡叫我來譴責沒有人叫你譴責我做不到委員你不要這樣子 大家現在在監督這個事情希望這個快一點 對不對然後最後呢 你就說人家要你去譴責海巡不要動不動都情緒勒索都沒有辦法就事論事沒有人要譴責海巡大家都很辛苦 |
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但是現在大家講 指揮 指揮等一下我們是希望快一點 我們想知道慢的原因在哪裡嘛 對不對沒有人叫你譴責 指揮他裝的衣服好像很照顧家屬所以你不要讓我去 沒有人在講這個事情不要講政治語言 現在講的就是招標有沒有太慢因為這個東西是你們認為很重要的東西 |
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委員如果覺得想要知道的不是要譴責我們太慢而是要知道為什麼太慢譴責這兩個字是你講的不是我講的我請署長來說我絕對不要在這邊耍嘴皮子這樣真的很累這不是耍嘴皮因為我們只是想要我覺得我認為有點慢當然你有合理的理由你可以講但是沒有人說譴責好不好不要這樣扣帽子那請說明為什麼要那麼慢 |
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我們因為要希望買到更高規格的東西所以我們在採購之前一定會公開徵求徵求這一個相關的這些規格然後公開以後那看廠商有沒有異議有沒有什麼問題或者是你有更高規的東西然後根據這個部分我們來 |
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做必要的這個價格的區間的定位然後我們再做後續的採購那我們的整個採購程序一定是按照這種採購法來做的那我們跟特別跟委員報告就是因為他很重要所以我們非常小心謹慎我們需要買到最新最高規格的東西進來也就是同樣價格我們需要買到更好的東西所以我們在過程當中特別跟委員報告當然您認為 |
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說是可能會有一點問題是的我們是稍微慢一點點但是我們希望能夠買到更高規格的東西進來然後對我們的國安跟治安更有保障這邊特別跟委員說明就按照你的說法因為科技日新月異所以你好像越慢買你可以買到越新 |
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感覺邏輯上變這樣子啊你還在拿捏一下嘛不是嘛 因為那個過程就是會有公開徵求就是我講的訪商嘛訪商速度啊 你可以一個月訪一家你也可以一天訪一家我公開徵求就已經是一個階段那這個階段就需要這個階段的時間每一個階段其實你都有 |
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方式讓他的效率變好啦你都有機會讓他的效率變好啦當然你要找理由是可以講一大堆啦但是真正想救市的是找方法真正救市的是找方法謝謝 |
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登記諮詢委員除不在場者 其餘都已諮詢完畢 詢答結束委員高金素梅 丁學忠 洪玉祥 徐欣穎所提書面諮詢列入記錄刊登公報書面諮詢和未及答覆的部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會我們中午不休息繼續審查預算 |
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我們現在開始審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會的部分關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬海洋委員會海洋保育署國家海洋研究院部分 |
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關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款海洋委員會海洋保育署部分海洋委員會主管特別收入基金海洋污染防治基金請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後休息到11點40分再進行協商 |
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一百一十五年度海洋委員會稅務預算第二款罰款及平衡收入無劣數第四款財產收入第兩百三十二項海洋委員會五千元第七款其他收入第兩百三十項海洋委員會十六萬七千元 |
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海洋委員會稅出預算第二十五款海洋委員會主管第一項海洋委員會十億四千四百億四萬一千元第一幕一般行政兩億九千九百六十九萬三千元第二幕海洋業務七億四千零九十四萬八千元第三幕一般建築及設備無劣數第四幕第一預備金三百五十萬元 |
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10859.876 |
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第二十七款 之家市及縣市政府第十二項 一般性補助款 海洋委員會主管一百八十四萬八千元第一幕 一般性民政補助 海洋委員會一百八十四萬八千元 |
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10861.465 |
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10878.716 |
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一百一十五年度海巡署及所屬稅務預算第二款保管及賠償收入第兩百二十項海巡署及所屬五千五百五十四萬八千元第一幕罰金罰還及代金兩千萬元第二幕賠償收入三千五百五十四萬八千元 |
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10880.097 |
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10894.8 |
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第三款規費收入第181項海巡署及所屬無劣數第四款財產收入第233項海巡署及所屬1138萬3千元第一幕財產支息746萬8千元第二幕廢棄物資售價391萬5千元第七款其他收入第231項海巡署及所屬335萬6千元 |
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10906.082 |
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10914.07 |
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海巡署及所屬稅出預算第25款海洋委員會主管第二項海巡署及所屬294億6040萬3千元第一幕一般行政153億5195萬4千元第二幕海巡業務139億5644萬9千元 |
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10937.134 |
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第一節海巡規劃及管理六億四千四百六十一萬七千元第二節海巡工作一百三十三億一千一百八十三萬兩千元第三幕一般建築及設備一億兩千七百萬元第四幕地域備金兩千五百萬元 |
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10938.868 |
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10952.419 |
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一百一十五年度海洋保育署稅務預算第二款發款及培養收入第兩百二十一項海洋保育署一百二十八萬元第三款歸備收入第一百八十二項海洋保育署兩百九十一萬元 |
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10954.656 |
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第七款其他收入第232項海洋保育署五十一萬兩千元海洋保育署稅出預算第25款海洋委員會主管第三項海洋保育署八億零四十二萬兩千元第一幕一般行政兩億零兩百四十六萬兩千元第二幕海洋保育業務五億九千七百零六萬元第三幕地域備金九十萬元第27款直轄市及縣市政府第12項一般性補助款海洋委員會主管八千四百八十八萬七千元 |
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10984.836 |
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11008.547 |
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第二幕一般性環境保護補助海洋保育署8,488.7萬元115年度國家海洋研究院稅務預算第二款發款及培養收入第222項國家海洋委員會國家海洋研究院1萬2千元第七款其他收入第233項國家海洋研究院8千元 |
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11010.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11028.367 |
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國家海洋研究院稅出預算第二十五款海洋委員會主管第四項國家海洋研究院二十六億四千九百零九萬九千元第一幕一般行政一億四千五百六十五萬五千元第二幕海洋研究也有二十五億零兩百九十四萬四千元第三幕地域備金五十萬元特別收入基金 |
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11029.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11044.223 |
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海洋委員會主管海洋污染防治基金附屬單位預算業務計劃部分因依據基金來源與用途審查結果隨同調整二基金來源用途及輿促部分基金來源2億5607萬元基金用途2億0109萬元本期剩餘5498萬元截小工庫及普辦預算均無劣數繼續旋律會證表部分 |
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11054.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11078.466 |
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海洋委員會部分第25款第1案第1項海洋委員會為第2至第6案第1目一般行政為第7案至第10案第2目海洋業務為第11至第36案主決議部分為第37至第55案提案內容請委員參閱有關海洋委員會海巡組及所屬部分 |
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最初部分第二項海巡暑期所屬第一案第一幕一般行政為第二案至第七案第二幕海巡業務為第八案至第24案第三幕一般建築及設備為第25案主決議為第26至第42案內容請委員參閱有關 |
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11100.694 |
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11122.173 |
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海洋委員會海洋保育署部分第三項海洋保育署為第一至第三案第一幕一般行政第四至第五案第二幕海洋保育委員會第六案至第20案主決議部分為第21至第38案內容請委員參閱有關國家海洋研究院部分第四項國家海洋研究院 |
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11124.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
11125.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
好 宣讀完畢 休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
11480.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
11502.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
好本次會議議程所列有關處理115年度的預算統一做以下三點宣告第一有關各委員會各委員的提案為了讓討論聚焦那我們依照預算科目編列編排稅務的部分以巷為單位稅出的部分原例處理到幕 |
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11503.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
11516.125 |
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的科目為原則那我們希望我們等一下是用整目來討論那第二個提案委員如果有提出凍結相關預算者除有委員特別聲明意義外 |
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11545.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
解凍條件均依例改為向本委員會提出書面報告後使得動之第三處理預算提案時如果提案委員不在場依召委會議共事該提案不再處理為如該案與協商前相關部會已跟提案委員溝通完成並將書面送至本委員會及依該溝通結果處理 |
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以上宣告,請問在場委員有沒有異議?謝謝,如果沒有異議的話我們就通過 |
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11556.991 |
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11581.142 |
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好那因為今天的案子一共有152案那我想想要先從最簡單的我們這樣比較容易大家比較容易進入狀況我們只有兩個案子的這個海洋污染防治基金附屬單位預算開始請各位看到我們的第5本第5本 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
11585.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
11598.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
那兩個提案裡面張志文委員提案那其中有一個已經改組決議就是有關海洋污染防制應變計畫剛剛志文委員在質詢的時候講志文委員要不要發表一下 |
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11601.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
11620.533 |
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好 謝謝主席針對海洋污染防治基金附屬預算本席凍結的金額總共凍結只有四五萬元其實最主要的原因還是希望說有關於海洋保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
11650.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
那要防止污染針對過去這個污染比如說112年天使號沉船或112年的一些輪船擱淺事件我們是希望說這個相關單位就是要積極來防治那是不是可以提出一些說明未來可不可以提出一些改善的經濟的報告以上好那我們就兩個案一起請海委會這邊要不要做一個說明 |
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11652.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
11671.548 |
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好 張委員他所提的兩個案根據就是第一個有關凍結15萬元然後以書面報告的部分我們就接受委員的提案那改組決議的部分我們會照辦那凍結15萬 |
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11703.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
應該可以好可以除非委員要我們報告就好尊重委員我們尊重委員書面報告好那就書面報告好謝謝對好那我們海洋污染防治基金附屬單位預算審查完畢第二個 |
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11706.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
11724.976 |
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第二個是海洋研究院這個裡面有15個提案那我們從海洋研究院也就是我們預算裡面第四本來做討論那我們先從第四項說出的部分來做討論第四項第一案 |
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11732.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
11746.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
黃宏威委員還沒有到,我們是不是先請海委會做一下說明廖昭偉要不要替黃宏威委員說明一下先保留一下好不好好先保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
11751.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
11765.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
那我們就保留到這整個海洋研究院的部分審完再回來這一個項目好那我們就從第一幕一般行政開始有兩個案那請張宏立委員跟張志倫先請張志倫委員好了謝謝 |
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11771.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
11787.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
好 針對這個一般行政作業維持的部分我們是認為這個國海院研究所是我們這個國家海洋的智庫需要高度專業的科研的人才 |
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11788.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
11808.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
可是說現在還是有這個流動率偏高跟人找不到的這個問題跟困境那針對我國四面環海海洋研究計畫的推動就要針對未來這個流財跟招財的一些對策要提出具體計畫所以本席是提出我們只是先凍結 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
11810.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
11830.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
一百萬 請這個計畫提出 以及改善薪資方案要提出以後一個月內向立法院提出 內政委員會提出專案報告 經同意後 使得動之這是一個鼓勵鼓勵大家努力來維持基本行政的一個做法 以上謝謝好 謝謝 我們請張宏祿委員 |
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11834.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
11862.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
張志倫委員跟我的看法是一樣啦其實我們並不是真的要去凍結你們就是希望你們流財或是招募能夠積極一點啦不要就是這樣子好像預算編的不積極但現在也要五月了啦我是不是那個張志倫委員我們兩個是不是並案啦並案啦凍結照我的啦好不好 |
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11870.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
11878.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
因為我們都不是真的要實在只是要讓他們改進而已現在已經快五月了,超過第一季了 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
11914.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
好啦那就好啦30萬啦就是書面報告啦好不好書面報告我們兩個病案我們兩個病案病案組你們懂吧這樣你們會寫啊對啊兩個病案處理啊主席我覺得還是要因為這個人才還是非常重要就是要經同意因為我跟紅綠委員都關心這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
11915.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
11920.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
所以就是說還是要提出專案報告,平均同意啊書面啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
11924.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
11945.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
他這是一般行政的書面報告可以經同意後動之嗎對書面報告經同意後動之啦好不好因為我跟宏武都很關心好那我們針對第一幕一般行政的部分就由張宏祿委員跟張志文委員兩個案並案那也感謝體恤凍結30萬那做書面報告後使得動之書面報告後經同意使得動之 |
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11968.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
11976.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
好,就照剛剛的宣告一個月書面報告,今同意使得動之 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
11978.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
11997.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
好接下來我們進入第二幕 剛剛王宏威委員你的第一案我們回頭再來審那我們第二幕的海洋研究業務從第四案到第十一案 那請有提案的委員都可以提出說明 謝謝 |
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12000.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
12022.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
我原本是提案簡列一 後來經業務單位有補充資料我們原本是認為說這幾年增加幅度有點過大經補充資料都是中長城資本的支出這部分我的意義就沒那麼大但是因為陳儒剛剛有提到傳播實驗室他一些PCM的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
12025.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
12033.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
改為凍結就好了那就是等我們把傳播實驗室的目前的爭議都釐清了之後那就結列這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
12037.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
12053.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
好,來請完美會委員主席,在這裡我要說的就是我們的海洋研究院裡面有提供推廣在自行開發FPP但是在這裡看來,到我們85年四月的時候,才有看到 |
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12060.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
12074.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
您所講的滿百千多人的會員去註冊來賓我認為在一百十四年的點數率也不太好是不是我們要抄 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
12075.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
12089.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
讓那麼多人去瞭解去看,在這裡主席我要請問說我們的董事來賓,到今天現在要審議上,有人用這個APP嗎?有的人用,有人用 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
12096.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
12103.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
你看所以要自己先做好再來說別人我們自己沒錢再說別人要做所以我的意見是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
12136.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
好謝謝那有沒有其他委員要做這一個第二幕裡面第四到第十一案的這些說明謝謝張宏祿委員如果沒有趕快請好如果沒有的話就請海委會這邊來做一個說明謝謝委員吹詢這個部分就是很重要的真的都 |
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| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
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如果要付就都整筆付出去的啦所以如果要謝謝委員就是願意用凍結嘛能不能凍結30萬整目然後讓我們對所有委員的提案都用非常詳細的書面說明來給委員30萬因為已經半年了已經2年了工程一直在進行 |
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因為這主要就是給我們一個監督我知道委員就是好意 要支持我們所以用凍結那不管那個額度是多少我們一定就是書面報告會非常非常詳細的給委員回覆那一定會很認真的照委員叮嚀的方向好好的去做那能不能就是30萬元凍結 |
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還是尊重各位委員的提案那因為接下來這裡還有幾個案子我想說我們這一幕一起來討論,討論完整一點好不好因為主席,在這裡我認為深圳應該大家的意思都是希望這個單位研究院的事可以做得更好 |
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剛才主委說因為時間也漸漸迫近了我也是想說你們做得更好更了解更多所以簡單在這裡的時候因為剛才我們教育說的他沒有想要賺錢他是要賺錢因為我也覺得是需要改善所以是不是以我們教育 |
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我說明一下啦既然王美惠委員Q我的話那我說明一下因為我們現在以季報來講的話已經是第二季了那第二季其實已經過了四個月等預算等內政委員會出去的時間可能已經最快最快可能是五月了那所以年快過一半了 |
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那所以凍結一定比例的話當然對海委會整個執行會造成影響那所以我當然會比較希望說我們經過這個討論之後那海委會知道其實所有的委員他們希望 |
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海委會可以做到什麼樣的程度海委會的書面報告那進來之後大家都同意那我們才可以才可以來使用嘛所以這個凍結的數量希望不要太大這樣子好謝謝來志文委員謝謝 |
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好謝謝主席其實我想這個海洋研究業務這個大家都希望他趕快來做那其實我覺得各委員講的都非常重要就是當然我們希望說國家海洋研究院他們在興建我們的基礎資料調查船的一個部分 |
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目前來講我們有好多燒船就是招標延誤然後經費這個就是因為因為你延誤了以後供料都漲了以後又增加許多的預算來去做那我相信我們都支持就是說我們要去把這些調查船給做好 |
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那是不是說我們凍結預算的目的就是希望說你們是不是可以到底你們這些調查船你們預計最好的時程是不是可以把不管是100噸300噸和400噸4000噸的調查船到底未來預計能夠做好的時程是不是可以跟各委員用一個專案報告的部分來跟各委員說明清楚 |
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其實我們都是 大家都是凍結案因為如果你們說明不清楚那未來預算一直往上加這都是人民納稅錢我想各個委員我們的意思是這個意思到底你們是現在可以說明清楚還是會後要一個專案報告書面給我們各個委員因為以前沒有做好的調查出來有時候預算會增加一倍以上那這個大概是我的意見 以上 |
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好,謝謝曾志文委員我們是不是可以請海委會來做一下說明好不好,謝謝因為今天那個議程是沒有一直進來因為是有通過計畫修正已經合訂版啦現在差不多是63億啦那今年主要負的節點就是一抱董跟三抱董的準因為下水 |
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今天會下水跟下水命名典禮在第三季的時候 所以這個時候就有付款啦然後再來我們四清洞 現在是在新加坡一個馬可波羅去蓋的嘛現在三小族 三小族對 兩家今年會下水命名所以這個也是付款的節點 還有一家是四清洞今年做傳模實驗啦那傳模實驗的時候 它也是要付一筆錢啦所以現在有說動節10% 就對我們來今年付款來講會有很大的壓力啦 |
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就給他了,對對,現在目前都是這樣,都是正常現在都是正常,現行動也是也是一樣都按照我們的期程在進行,對 |
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都沒有...因為一百三百的美女都完工了嘛現在事情統統按照我們的期程在走那今天最主要的一個節點就是那個會穿模試驗沒有delay 完全沒有delay都是契約款事件到118 |
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對 經理會傳播實驗所以這個是付款的一個節點好 我再補充一下 類似一些公共工程它其實照進度的話 海委會這邊必須隨時都要付款凍結的話可能會影響到一些進度 這個我覺得你可能要說明清楚一點 |
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那以上這些說明希望可以說服委員我們在這第二幕整幕裡面看還有沒有其他委員要做一些補充因為總經費變成25億那如果說動個1000萬的話大概是不到0.5%的比例這樣子的比例應該沒有很高我們真的會遇到很大的困難同時也要給你們一點壓力 |
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可是一千萬我們會付不出去啊為什麼呢因為他付呢我時間節點到我就是一契約整比要付出去啊所以為什麼我會講三十萬就是因為他是契約我必須整比一次付嘛所以我才會說是不是請委員在這一幕在這一幕上面能不能就是了解在付款的那個方式 |
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不然就100啦好,謝謝 |
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他們這個如果沒有付款沒有什麼也有可能造成違約到時候會損失更多啦所以我覺得啦大家綜合一下也不要再堅持了啦我們就凍結一百萬然後順便報告後時刻動之好不好好好謝謝那我們第二幕海洋研究業務我們用哪一個案子整幕凍結我跟你講齁 |
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我們講第二幕啦,我們所有的委員都有提啦,一樣啦,併案處理啦,整幕凍結100萬啦所有委員的案子都併案處理啦好,那我們第二幕就所有的案子併案處理,從第四到十一案併案處理那凍結海洋研究業務,圓列25億,凍結100萬好,謝謝 |
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第十案,王宏威委員改組決議,謝謝這個凍結一百萬,請海委會於一個月內做好書面報告,經同意,使得動之 |
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就是不好意思我們剛講的是整目所有的案子並案處理經書面報告後時刻動之整目4到11個案4到11案我們並案處理凍結100萬經書面報告時刻動之好謝謝 |
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主決議如果還有會你們這邊都沒有意見我們就不要討論了就照樣通過不要浪費時間好不好各位 |
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來我確認一下十二、十三、十四、十五的徐姓委員的主決議案有沒有經過溝通文字上有沒有經過溝通如果有溝通的話我們就不討論十三案是詔案通過嗎十三案是詔案通過嗎 |
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十二十四十五我們說真的啦齊心委員也不在但是我們既然已經有溝通完了那他也已經簽完名了我們主決議就不討論那我們就通過好我們回到這個那個主決議就是照溝通修正後通過對他有簽名的照溝通修正後通過 |
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沒有沒有沒有我們回到第四項第一個有關王洪祿委員提案 |
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要對媒體政策及業務宣導費用簡略的提案來請王紅衛委員來說明一下有關於沒宣費的部分因為在上一年度就是去年我們的預算數是120萬 |
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那今年呢就是增加了這個一百八十萬增加到一倍以上那所以以去年來這個實施我們也看不出說有什麼特別致愛難行的地方所以就回復到跟去年同樣的同樣的一個額度所以簡略一百八十萬以上請海委會 |
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謝謝委員首先跟委員報告就是說我們的沒宣費跟114年相較之下是沒有增加那另外就是說以國海院來講其實國海院他們很認真的做很多科學的研究那有很多的發現如果能夠讓他們適當的能夠宣導出來的話 |
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那對於說我們來認識我們自己的海洋它的美好是非常好的一件事情對海洋的永續來講對於海洋意識的營造而言國海院還有海保署我常常說你們這兩個單位的材料那麼多 |
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如果真的能夠好好的讓人民知道的話我們的海洋會被大家非常非常的熱愛但是他們的煤燻的費用才會說我在去年開始我們會編到三千萬全體 |
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但是後來因為被大幅的刪減我是覺得很可惜因為梅宣沒有做你不知道我們的損失是什麼有做你會知道說原來我們的海洋是這樣但是沒有做你不會知道說到底什麼事情我們沒有替海洋發聲因為海洋不會講話又沒有選票可是他很需要我們去替他說話 |
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那國海運跟海保署的很多的材料 很多的素材是可以說的 是張委還有跟各位委員報告因為那個我們海委會之前有做一些預算的溝通嘛那我這邊呢 就有關於沒宣費的部分剛才那個主委講 像海保署 海保署也有講他們在沒宣部分 他們的一些重點 |
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海巡署我們更清楚因為海巡署基本上大家都可以認知說我們現在確實人力極為缺乏所以我也願意給海巡署比較大的空間因為它就是涉及它的人員的招募所以其他的沒宣費部分我剛才講就是說跟就是回到去年度的一個額度我不認為會有什麼特別的問題所以這個其實我覺得不要花太多的時間 |
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如果這個海委會就說沒有辦法接受我們就送協商好不好因為不然的話在這邊花太多的時間我覺得反而會佔據大家這個太多的時間成本以上謝謝 |
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好那尊重王宏威委員剛才所說的因為接下來包含海保署海巡署本會都還有這些沒宣的 |
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跟大家報告海保署海巡署沒宣費我都沒有做刪減我剛才特別講海保署跟海巡署我沒有做刪減那就是這兩個署之外我才把它恢復到一百一十四年度的一個預算規模 |
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請教委員就是說國海院其實跟委員說的海巡跟海保一樣他們的屬性就是專業啦那另外就是說也請委員看一下我們的記錄海洋委員會跟他的所屬他的媒宣的經費非常的分散 |
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分配非常非常廣泛他絕對沒有大院所擔心的說會不會有什麼人為的操作在裡面完全沒有所以是很值得信賴的那能不能就是說海保國海院跟海巡他們的媒宣照列但是屬於國海院海委會的部分我們送協商這樣好不好 |
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王委員主委的議事是放在那個核委會核委會的部分送協商核委會的其他部分送協商沒有意見這樣這個部分就解決了好謝謝那如果沒有意見的話我們這一個第一個案子我們就照列我們就照列沒有第一個案子我們就照列300萬照列 |
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好那我們第四項國家海洋研究院的部分包含媒體政策業務費宣傳費300萬我們就照列其他第一幕跟第二幕我們剛剛都已經有協商完畢那國家海洋研究院的預算的部分我們就到這裡處理完畢謝謝 |
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我們現在來處理海保署我們來處理海保署海保署一共有38個案一樣我們先從第三項 |
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海保署這個開始來發言那這一個案,這一個一共有三個案那三個案裡面張志倫委員在場,要不要張志倫委員我替張志倫委員說他已經改組決議啦你怎麼沒寫好啊?改組決議他已經改組決議啦所以這個就不用你給郭東本給我 |
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抱歉抱歉我剛剛沒有拿溝通本好張志文委員已經改組決議齁那另外丁薛忠委員高金素美委員不在那國民黨團有沒有要幫他們發言如果沒有的話我們就照張志文委員的組決議通過好不好好那我們進入第一幕一般行政預算照列預算照列改組決議 |
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那我們進入第一幕一般行政的部分我這邊的修正本包含張志文委員已經改組決議那高精素美委員這邊有文字修正那請問我們有沒有要幫高精素美委員他沒有來那我們一樣我們一樣就維持內政委員會剛剛的宣告那因為提案委員也沒有到那我們在場也提案委員改組決議我們就 |
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第一幕的一般行政預算兩億零兩百四十六萬兩千元預算照列改組決議好通過謝謝 |
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我們進入第二幕 海洋保育業務 原列五億九千七百零六萬一共從第六案到第二十案我們一起來討論我先把已經有文字溝通的先處理完畢有列案的包含張宏祿委員 王美惠委員徐欣穎委員現在不在 |
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廖先祥委員還有王洪威委員來我們來依序來說明謝謝我們先請王美惠委員還是張宏祿委員謝謝好第10到第12案謝謝 |
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主席,在這位說保溫的海洋保護區,他整間公告保護管理的界維,我覺得他在經營生態調查跟測試 |
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在這裏面我認為有需要改進因為我認為長久以來單位在整體海洋保護區裏面的政策方針是不是要出來在海洋會第84年完成的海洋保育區裏面的治理成效總體檢 |
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會主流跟海洋委員會在一半19年要基本海洋保護區實際的管理的成效評估再來在持續透過海洋保護區整合平台的會議跟監督和主管單位是不是要落實的管理到這一年以上 |
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謝謝歐美惠委員我們尊重在場委員在場委員現在提案裡面還有廖先祥委員跟王煌威委員我們請廖先祥委員來說明 謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們提案就主要是在預算書裡面經費支應的項目我認為都過於的籠統啦那希望說每一個項目業務單位都能夠對於執行後的具體對於國家的效益到底在哪邊能夠說明的更清楚那我個人的案件我同意 |
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並高進樹梅委員好張志倫委員的500萬若還有人沒意見的話就並結合案子500萬這樣子 |
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所以是凍結500嘛好 張志榮委員我這裡還是我們都支持海洋保育業務不過就是說很多委員都提出來就是有關於海洋保護區我們有71處海洋保護區就是我們希望還有落實管理規劃管理計畫跟生態的監測尤其是我們現在有分第一類漁港跟第二類漁港第一類漁港 |
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就是屬於我們大型的一些漁港就是有一些重金屬超標的問題那就是我們希望說還是要這個港口的水質的檢驗還是要再加強因為還是有些我們的釣客還會在那邊釣魚那釣魚的點的推廣 |
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那第二類漁港那也是要全面去執行這個底泥的一些檢測等等這些事情我們希望說雖然我們凍結的金額很少可是還是要請海保署這邊是不是回復一下我剛剛提出的問題你們要怎麼做對於重金屬超標這些問題怎麼做那以及後續要去加強去檢驗以及給我們這個專案的報告以上 |
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好謝謝,那是不是請徐欣穎委員也做一下說明好謝謝來這邊這邊 |
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謝謝主席各位委員我想本席的提案那個都跟海委會他們有一些這個修正的那我也都同意了所以我們這最重要就希望落實那有一些該提出說明或者是該改進的我們就請海委會能夠確實所以我大概應該都交出去還沒交到哪了 |
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好 那沒關係因為海委會這邊給的文字我大概我都 而且我都簽名了對 對 好 謝謝我們是不是先請海委會我們請海委會先說明一下我先我先那個哀嚎一件事啦好 說一下就是說 |
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我們受財化法的衝擊 因為海保是這樣 海洋保育海面那麼大 很多經費都是要透過地方政府去做所以財化法影響的時候 海保署很嚴重的首當其衝 |
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那我們是一直求一直求求到最後行政院覺得說海洋保育這個東西太不能冒險了我如果真的是跟其他的項目一樣跟其他財化法的項目一樣刪到那種地步的話不知道地方政府到底會不會願意去做所以呢我們就大幅度有搶救到但是即使這樣 |
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還是被減了六千五百九十七萬一千元還是少了六千多萬五元所以 |
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那委員有很多的提案 有很多的關心我們明不明就是說還是併案 每一個提案呢 併案的話我們每一個提案都會好好的做書面報告來給委員做說明但是總結的那個凍結 到有百萬真的是太沉重因為我各地方政府補助下去 讓地方政府來執行 |
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整個國家用在海洋保育整個國家用在海洋保育竟然才是差不多十億元的規模都不到 |
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才8億耶 整個國家對海的保育才8億所以也為了彰顯就是說委員們對於海保署的體恤能不能說我們還是還是就像是我們體恤國海院一樣來處理海保署的預算啦能不能凍結50萬然後讓他們好好的把我們每一個提案好好的照顧人的兵力來支持 來做 |
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我們不是不支持這些相關的預算但是它確實有做得不好的地方這也是不爭的事實 |
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也就是說今天這個我們都認為作為這樣子的我們的海保署做海洋的這些污染防治監測這個錢我們都願意給但是現在確實發生比如說像113年也就是在前年這個是農業署自己的資料就說我們現在有很多的港口 |
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确实出现了这些重金属污染超标有的超标的状况是非常非常严重的所以我们当然会关心说那今天我们实施的效果成效是如何这是我们用的也是渔业署的资料今天也不是我们认为说你们做的不好所以这整幕那么 |
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全部是五億九千多萬那現在凍結五百萬我覺得沒有什麼問題因為我覺得這個海委會海保署也確實應該把這個相關有什麼地方比如說你今天說地方要配合那什麼樣地方配合要加強呢對不對那你說這個金額實在太小小在哪裡呢我們都不知道啊那但是現在就是說我們現在出現的 |
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就是我們支持但是你的成效現在不爭那確實要做一個說明啊那所以我覺得今天我們很多委員都在關心啊今天提出來很多也是已經跨黨派的這個委員都有提出來然後呢我們整體要整目五億九千多萬其實凍結五百萬絲毫不會影響你們的運作啦 |
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對不對但是你不能說我們今天不能說以這個凍結然後請你們做說明然後你在這邊說不能這樣子完全不能運作我覺得到這樣的地步就很難談得下去好不好那剛才因為有 |
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我們因為我們看到我們還有一些委員其實他的凍結金額是更大的那是不是其他委員也願意支持當然我們是爭取可是我覺得把它變成50萬我個人愛難同意謝謝謝謝王委員那我們請張宏祿委員也發表一下我各位委員其實大家都是為了這個海洋保育署好 |
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但這裡面其實我看預算書啊裡面有一些是給地方政府直接的補助啦那如果說我們如果有太大的的那個刪減或凍結不是不是不是不是不是你對對對你王偉遠你先聽我講完齁 |
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那怕他們答應地方政府的或是這樣會不會有問題我這樣子建議啦好不好我也覺得五十萬我也覺得太少啦我們是不是第二幕所有委員的提案並案處理那我們凍結三百萬看大家我覺得這樣子 |
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所有委員的案子都併案處理,我們動不動三八張宏祿委員,現在的意思是說包含徐欣穎委員、王宏威委員、廖千祥委員、張志文委員、張宏祿委員、王美惠委員沒有張宏祿跟王美惠十萬你要併到三百嗎?沒有啦,不是併案處理併案處理啊?大家一起併全部併案在這個第二幕裡面 |
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我再講清楚一點 不好意思第二幕所有人的提案並按處理 整幕凍結300萬然後金書面報告後時可凍之好 可不可以接受看大家能不能不是 第二幕我不是凍 我裡面不是有凍30% |
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不要那麼多薛瑋瑜剛才因為剛才你我以為你就全部改組決議是支持我不是我沒有改組決議我是說他們修正文字我都簽名了你都簽名了對我都簽名了然後那我想這樣當然凍結多少我尊重我們委員會我們等一下決議但是 |
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本席這邊提的是要內政委員會同意後才能動之因為不是書面 書面常常隨便交這樣不行啊因為我們這個還是對民眾來負責嘛所以是不是動多少可以溝通一下嘛好 我們再溝通一下好啦 動500但是要委員會同意時可動之 可以嗎500而已啊要內政委員會同意後才能動之 |
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就是他的這個報告如果是五百萬我跟衛委員報告啦最主要是因為我們那個額度要下去啦我款還沒付沒錯但是我要回函給各地方政府我如果要補助你我那個額度要下去嘛 |
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那些凍結就是會影響說我要下額度的時候就是會影響到說那我怎麼下額度所以如果五百萬的話那能不能就是書面報告後凍資這樣的話我們在下額度就比較不會遇到困難請問主委你接近六億的預算有多少是要下去給地方政府的 |
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地方政府還有地方的民團漁會等等幾乎我們對地方政府的團團跟地方政府加起來都八千萬以上都八千八千就一億多在這裡面所以你還有四億多嗎沒有沒有沒有講的好像整個六月都在補助然後不能動五百這樣子就等一下等一下 |
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民團包含地方政府都在協助做海保 |
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我請署長說具體好不好我覺得啦好不好大家剛剛大家都有共識了就是整目凍結五百啦那我覺得我們是不是都朝這個共識就走了啦那個召委如果你也同意我們就這樣啊 |
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可是現在現在主委這邊還是要挨一下尊重主委這邊再挨一下我的意思是說我們剛剛我們就是所有的委員提案併案處理整目凍結500萬然後經書面報告後時格凍資就這樣嘛好不好 |
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我說明一下委員會的壓力委員會的壓力就是接下來還有幾個預算接下來幾個預算內政委員會一起送到院會之後院會還要通過還有一段時間那這個整個通過的時候可能年已經過一半了那年已經過一半的話你凍結一定的程度 |
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我們還要排會啊 不到一趴定的程度不到一趴廖召委我們還要同意啊那我們還要同意這個過程裡面可能又要拖到八九月我排會壓力會很大齁那所以可能會影響到一點那是不是我們折衷一下齁剛剛民進黨團這邊也是堅持要動三百萬那國民黨團這邊覺得五百萬比較夠警惕那我們就五百萬但是我們用書面報告後使得動之可以嗎 |
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好不好我們折衷一下 |
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不是啊如果說書面報告就OK那表示現在都全放了嘛那我們就看不到海委會的一些對啊所以而且五百萬我已經完全退讓了嘛我30%欸30%兩億多欸所以你動五百萬我們我尊重所有的委員五百萬但是要委員會同意可以嗎我們要看到海委會的作為嘛好不好 |
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就是三讀大概就七月了嘛三讀大概就七月了啦現在最主要是這樣了不到1%說不定你整年執行率說不定都沒有99%對啊你最後的執行率搞不好都沒有到99%呢真的你執行率就算99%那就算到9月 |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
也還OK吧你還有三個月 |
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我覺得我們釋出的善意算不小了啦如果說不同的話那就只能保留謝謝主委我也給你充分時間去請託了齁那我們就依照大家協商的這個決議齁那我們針對海保海洋保育業務原列五億九千七百零六萬元我們就整目凍結五百萬經書面報告經委員會同意後使得動之好謝謝各位謝謝 |
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主決議的部分第13案、15案、16案我們都改組決議 |
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那另外委員提案組決議的部分都已經做過溝通吼那包含第25案、26案、28案、29案、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、38案均作文字修正後改組決議那其他第21、22、23、24案我們直接做組決議 |
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那第27案跟第30案我們就照案辦理好這樣子大家還有沒有意見沒有好那我們就對於海洋委員會海洋保育署的預算我們處理完畢謝謝 |
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海鮮酥海鮮酥 |
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還是各位那個桌上 |
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還有會的同仁你們的便當可以先使用我趕快開始,我們可以邊用餐邊審 |
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那接下來如果大家沒有意見的話我們就來審查海洋委員會海巡署及其所屬的預算那我們先從第二項海巡所屬那第一案已經改組決議那我們從第一幕來開始審第一幕原列153億裡面張志源委員改組決議 |
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那王宏威委員改組決議如果吳其民、王美惠、張宏祿看有沒有什麼意見我們就改組決議 |
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吳清明委員不在就不處理了嘛那我覺得我不知道啦 這個黃美惠委員你是不是看跟我一樣 我們也都改組決議就好了啦 |
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主席這樣會嚴若愛阿林很多的,我們不是要訪問,是要你這個單位做得好好不好?如果報告的需要的時候,主席可以趕緊訪問,訪問了解,以上好,那我們第一幕一般行政153議,最後全部改組決議預算照列預算照列全部改組決議,謝謝 |
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我們進入第二幕海巡業務原列139億我們還是針對在場委員提案的部分我們希望我們讓在場委員可以先說明一下那我先說明一下在場委員包含張志倫委員改組決議 |
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那另外有王美惠委員現在在第二幕啦齁改組決議之外就只剩王美惠委員跟我而已啊現在還有徐欣映委員徐欣映委員沒看到啊改組決議齁徐欣映委員也改組決議剛剛收到還有廖先祥啊三個而已啊好那 |
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好那就是廖先祥委員這邊謝謝有沒有要說明一下我第二幕跟第三幕一併講啦就是這個東西都是用在我們希望就是妥善的無論是這個機械的保養就是務實然後車輛的部分也都是用在基層的身上業務需求那我個人就是希望我們海巡所確實做好這一點那凍結的金額大家有公示我沒有任何意見都可以調整 |
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來 志文委員好 謝謝其實我想我在座的所有委員都非常支持海巡的業務那其實我也都改成主決議了只是說我剛剛對我質詢的內容還是要特別再請教一下就是說針對我們的二代機跟一代機 |
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採購的差金額的差異啊到底因為我這邊就是說可以給海巡海巡署再多解釋一下到底性能的差異在哪裡為什麼一代機的單價450萬二代機要到1000 |
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700萬這個部分我想各位委員還是很好奇就是說我剛剛了解這個署長副主委有講我們都知道距離有加長他的航行的距離有加長等等一些功能可是真的有會變這麼貴嗎第二個教育訓練費的部分 |
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是不是還可以再補充說明一下好 謝謝 請張宏祿委員 謝謝主席 在這兩天 我覺得這個單位說實在話 我堅持當時的100萬因為所謂的問題都到今天要審議上都沒有提供出來所以我堅持 |
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凍結100萬,謝謝好,謝謝張忠祐委員那這樣子好不好,我們那個張忠祐委員的問題等一下你再請署長再回答我們是不是這樣那個廖委員我們就是整目啦,讓我們所有委員提案並案辦理然後我們整目如果凍結100,你覺得 |
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就說第二幕所有提案委員併案處理然後整幕凍結一百萬我徵詢廖先祥委員你剛剛第二幕第三幕一起處理那我們第三幕就改組決議第二幕的部分我們併案整幕併案凍結一百萬其餘預算照列謝謝 |
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那我們海巡業務第二幕我們整幕凍結100萬那經書面報告後,使得動之好,謝謝那第三幕就改組決議了,那我來宣讀一下組決議的部分第11案、第13案、第15案、第17案、第20案 |
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第23案、第24案改組決議其餘併案動100萬經書面報告後,使得動之那第三幕改組決議其餘預算再列 |
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那主決議的部分第32、33、34、35、36、37、38、39、40、41、42我們均作文字修正主決議其餘第26案、27案、28案、29案、30案、31案主決議均照案通過謝謝 |
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好那我們海巡海洋委員會海巡署及其所屬預算處理完畢謝謝不好意思剛剛張志倫委員你還是要你還是要請張志倫抱歉我再請這個副主要總理一下張委員報告 |
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那因為我們這裡面有跟以前不一樣的就是除了剛剛講的那個那個距離啦導控距離啦那另外還有部分就是GPS定位跟防抗干擾的部分那當然他的飛行時間啊自動避障啊抗風啊這些導控途傳距離都跟以前都不一樣 |
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因為我們是大於六級以上所以它還是我們的最有利標的一個規格之一另外一部分就是那個AI的辨識功能這以前是沒有的然後那個抗干擾部分以前也是沒有的避障也是沒有的 |
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這些工人加進來就是會變成他的金額會加高然後剛剛委員的部分教育訓練其實我要跟委員報告我們前一期的那個高階的無人機訓練以訓練系勾四個月但是他金額他一個人訓練費用就高達四十幾萬塊五十萬因為他還要時速所以這邊請委員支持時間關係我們就繼續好了 |
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好謝謝那我們海巡及其所屬的預算處理完畢接下來我們來審查海洋委員會的預算那現在徐欣穎委員王紅委員不在我們等一下回來處理那包含好這個就沒有啦沒有啦 |
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不是我們剛剛開會王宏威委員有說他說這個就是送協商啊對啊所以這個根本就不需要處理了啊本來是想要問大家要送什麼協商啊因為裡面的金額不太一樣 |
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好那如果這樣子的話我們直接進入第一項海洋委員會對不起這一項等一下先送協商嘛那我們就不處理我們來處理第一幕一般行政原列2億9969萬裡面有張宏祿委員張志倫委員廖先祥委員有提案 |
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我們第一項是過了,我們是在送第一項的第二案嘛對對對,我們剛剛講的是這樣我重複一下,好友會 |
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我們第25款海委會主管的第一案我們不處理我們從第一項海洋委員會的媒體政策宣傳費剛才有跟徐欣穎委員跟王航威委員有達成共識這一案我們來送協商那我們現在進入第一幕一般行政來處理一般行政裡面有張志倫委員、廖先祥委員、張煌祿委員提案來我們先後做一個說明事理由先請廖先祥召委 |
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像裡面除了雷軒之外還有其他項目還有介吾輝 |
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對不起我們還是回到第一項對不起我剛剛沒有看到廖先祥召委的第五案來請廖先祥委員我覺得這是現在政府整體的一個問題不只是海委會單獨機關問題就是整個機關什麼東西什麼研究案全部都委外好像就變成說我們機關的本職學能 |
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到底在哪裡那如果是這樣的話整個政府就一個採購單位就好了什麼東西都委判就好了我還是希望說我們各個單位的本職學能夠自己有專業的部分應該要加強這樣的能力而不是什麼東西都想委外單位去做研究而已啦那原檢列三千萬我尊重大家看大家認為怎麼樣比較適合可以討論啦我們請海委會來說明一下謝謝 |
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公務員報告那個委辦不是全部做研究我們研究的委辦案非常少就是中規處有一個案然後那個活動但是他最主要是業務我們業務的執行這樣子 |
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對 那研究案在其中非常的少那研究案最主要就是說我們讓那個學術界學術界跟專業界的意見是做補充因為我們自己有我們自己的研究沒有錯但是也不能夠完全就是說讓學術界的意見沒有辦法提供我們的參考所以並不是說委辦案全部是拿來委外做研究 |
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那就蹬兩把好不好 |
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多兩百那能不能書面以後就動之好啦那希望書面來委員會之前能夠跟我其他案子也一樣啦不要書面來了就書面來了而是有關心的委員你們要溝通一下好謝謝那我是不是徵求廖先祥委員同意我們這是第五案跟第六案那以廖先祥委員提案那我們來動兩百萬兼書面報告後使得動之謝謝 |
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好我們進入第一幕一般行政那一樣我們是不是請廖先強召委這邊也有一個提案謝謝這個特別費特資費的問題 |
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就希望說主管能夠終結開支就好了 好不好那就好 謝謝那改組決議就好 趙烈改組決議 志倫委員 志倫委員謝謝主席我對這個一般行政 基本行政工作維持費這個我想要 |
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這個凍結500萬主要的原因就是說這個這個海委會有一個非常重要的功能就是針對海洋產業的產值來做一個評估不管是我們以確認台灣海洋產業未來走的一個方向所以過去我們的這個評估報告裡面針對 |
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這個非生物資源或是礦產資源或漁業養殖資源以及海洋油氣以及其他傳播等等或運輸工程我們這個會做一個產值的評估可是本席針對我們對於海洋休閒產業 |
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的產值 它的評估的差異過大而且沒有列入油輪的產值所以我希望說這個計算的基礎要待改進因為我認為台灣未來的國家的海洋休閒的油氣產值尤其是油輪的產值是國家未來發展的重要的一個項目 |
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那我也跟這個海委會辦公室也特別來我們辦公室來了解這個問題我也特別提出一個新的想法最近郵輪產業非常的蓬勃像最近大家都知道那個迪士尼郵輪這個一味難求那台灣目前沒有迪士尼的樂園可是可以推薦迪士尼的郵輪到台灣來所以這邊我是不是大膽的請海委會可以協調各部會 |
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是不是積極來招商讓迪士尼郵輪有機會到台灣來以上說明是不是可以回覆 謝謝 |
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張智文委員這個就只剩你跟我的提案了啦我是這樣子啦在他回答你之前我們先處理預算我們就是併案處理然後整目你覺得東捷 |
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你有要堅持嗎?不要啦一般行政他們是50萬啦好不好整幕凍結50萬啦好啦齁 整幕凍結50萬啦主席宣告完你再回答 |
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15395.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
真的在場委員同意我們第一幕一般行政原列2億9千9百69萬3千元我們併案共凍結50萬書面報告後,此得動之 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
15404.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15426.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
感謝也感謝張委員因為郵輪那個其實我們在去年已經都有開始在進行了那去年已經有一些成果了那今年也會有所以我們會把一些現在有的成果先到時候會直接跟也會到委員這邊來做個說明謝謝副主委有沒有機會就是現在我剛剛特別講到新加坡現在那個迪士尼郵輪那個很夯有沒有機會有海委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
15432.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
15451.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
來協調我們那個交通部大家一起對我們台灣的郵輪產業一起來協助來招商讓郵輪產業在台灣可以發揚光我們跟港澳公司來招來協調好 祝福你們 希望你們成功謝謝謝謝張志倫委員對這個郵輪這麼用心我們共同來努力好 我們進入第二幕 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
15452.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15478.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
海洋業務原列七億四千零九十四萬八千元裡面包含張之倫委員第一項改組決議那裡面有王美惠委員、張宏祿委員、廖先祥委員那其他黃捷委員已經改組決議,我們就請廖先祥委員來發言,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
15480.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
15493.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
好這是國內旅費部分我剛剛改組決議了那就剩下一個25萬對剩下25萬那這部分其實就是同仁在 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
15495.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
15513.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
提案書裡面有提到啦網路上我的網站同仁要進去的時候居然網站掛掉我們就認為這個維護出現了一些問題啦那特別提出來希望我們海委會能夠注意一下委外廠商的一個執行的情況那我的案件同意跟其他委員並案凍結即可 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
15516.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15528.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
好 那所以廖先祥委員的第19案已經改組決議那第25案的部分要可以跟張宏祿委員 王美惠委員來併案來討論怎麼凍結那是不是請張宏祿委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
15537.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
15556.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
黃婕委員黃婕委員還沒有發言,我們請黃婕委員來說明,謝謝好,謝謝,那說完我的已經改組決議,但是還是要提一下因為在上禮拜的司法聯席的質詢上面,我有特別要求海委會當時這個淨河海域管理指引,我說還沒有定可是當時的副主委跟我回答說是定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
15556.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15582.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
但我回去了解看起來是並沒有定所以當下你們的發言是錯誤的請要回去確認事實那這個淨河海域管理指引再次要求這個人船碰壁的問題我們已經講很久之前也開過座談會可是當時上禮拜的副主委的回應其實是跟事實有落差這個拜託回去請盡快的訂定相關的指引好這個再次拜託沒簽啦沒簽啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
15591.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
15606.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我再重新說明一下,剛剛黃街委員講的那個,請張副主委等一下要跟黃街委員做一個說明之外廖清祥委員第19案已經簽決議,但是第25案還是併張宏祿委員,我們一起來討論一下要怎麼樣動 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
15611.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
15627.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
我覺得廖委員剛講二十五案那個確實是有他的道理你們真的要自己檢討所以我們是不是第二幕我們所有委員提案併案處理那整幕我們凍結100整幕凍結100 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
15635.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
15641.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
好那我們第二幕海洋業務原列7億4千094萬8千元我們併案共凍結100萬所有委員提案併案處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
15653.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
15658.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
海洋業務原列7億4,094萬8千元我們所有委員提案並按處理凍結100萬經書面報告後,使得凍資好,謝謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
15668.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15675.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
那第11案張志文委員提案改組決議第19案改組決議第26案改組決議第30案改組決議第31、33、35改組決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
15697.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
15703.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
那組決議的部分第40案、43案、44案、46案、47案、49案、50案、53案、54案均做文字修正改組決議其餘組決議包含第37、38、39、41、42、51、52、55案照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
15716.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
15719.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
以上海南委員會主管預算處理完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
15738.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
15754.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
好請問各位委員討論事項第一案到第四案有委員提案的部分照剛才協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列請問有無異議好沒有異議那我們就通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
15756.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
15771.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
本次通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理第115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分關於海洋委員會海巡署及其所屬海洋委員會海洋保育署 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
15773.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
15795.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
國家海洋研究院部分關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款海洋委員會海洋保育署部分115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金海洋污染防治基金均已審查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
15799.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
15805.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
拟据审查报告赴财政委员会提到院会 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
15820.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
15830.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
關於內政部國土管理署及所屬國家公園署及所屬建築研究所等機關預算所列預算提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
15831.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
15841.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
於115年5月11星期一中午12點截止收件本月議程到此結束現在休息我們明天繼續開會謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
15848.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
15852.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
不是啦,這是唯一啦,明明比我更有意義 |