| IVOD_ID |
17391 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17391 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T08:37:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T12:42:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:04:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbe2f02a5732d1cf8dfd98fe59c341977cb1d480c4e0b4ea5254c4440087f0a88b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:37:54 - 12:42:00 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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感谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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by bwd6 |
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好大家早安現在沒有人跟我早安好請主命令報告初期人數報告委員會初期委員11人已足法定人數好我們現在開會我們首先進行報告實項請宣讀上市會議事錄立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14群體委員會議事錄 |
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時間115年4月22日星期三9時至11時31分115年4月23日星期四9時至11時40分地點紅樓101會議室 |
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等23人 列席人員115年4月22日星期三經濟部部長龔明興等115年4月23日星期四公民交易委員會代理主任委員陳志明經濟部常務次長賴建信等主席召集委員洪義祥115年4月22日星期三報告事項宣讀上次會議思路決定確定討論事項一審查115年度中央政府總計算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分 |
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2.審查115年度中央政府總運宣案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算經濟部部長龔明欣報告後委員會任務等21年提出質詢經由經濟部部長龔明欣等及其答覆登記方案委員除不在場手外其餘均與發言完畢 訊達結束委員徐信穎所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並附資本會 |
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委員略有要求期限者從期鎖定決議詢討結束令定期繼續審查主席宣告各委員略有相關預算提案請於5月4日星期一下午10前送經紀委員會辦公室一律後續會診於時不再收案115年4月3日星期四討論事項 |
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以審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算非營業部分關於公平交易委員會主管非反托拉斯基金2審查1本院委員吳立華等17人拟據土石採取法第3條調案修正長安案2本院委員黃伦等36人拟據土石採取法第3條及第4 |
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4 條條文修正草案3 本院委員邱毅英等21人 委員賴日榮等19人 分別理據土石採取法部分條文修正草案等2案4 本院委員徐志傑等31人 委員柯志恩等19人 委員陳廷飛等16人 委員丁學忠等16人 分別理據土石採取法第36條條文修正草案等事案5 |
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本院委員邱振均等24人拟據土石採取法第36條、第38條及第39條條案修正草案6.本院台灣民眾黨黨團拟據土石採取法第36條、第38條及第41條條案修正草案同時向合併詢答 |
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公民教育委員會代理主任委員陳志明及經濟部常務次長賴建信報告後委員賴樂隆等17人提出質詢均由經濟部常務次長賴建信等即席答覆定期發言委員除不在場者外 其議均已發言完畢 訊答結束為及答覆部分 請相關單位一周內已書面答覆並複製本會委員另有要求期限者從其所定決議 訊答結束 均另定期繼續審查主席宣告 |
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各委員如果有相關預算提案請於5月4日星期一下午5時前送經濟委員會辦公室一律後續會診餘時不再收案 散會宣布完畢 |
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好我們上次會議事錄我們宣讀完畢請問在場各位委員對於上次會議事錄有無錯誤好沒有錯誤我們就議事錄確定好我們現在繼續進行討論事項請宣讀討論事項1審查115年度中央政府總統宣案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分2審查115年度中央政府總統宣案有關第7款 |
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直轄市及縣市政府第七項一般性補助款 農業部主管第一幕農業部第二幕林業及自然保育署及所屬第三幕農村發展及水土保持署及所屬第四幕漁業署及所屬第五幕動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬第六幕農糧署及所屬第七幕農田水利署部分預算 |
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3.审查115年度中央政府总预算案附属单位预算非营业部分关于南卫部主管农业作业基金农田水利事业作业基金农业特别收入基金及农民退休基金宣布完毕 |
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好本議程北極排列巡達115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位知轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款農業部主管部分及農業部主管非營業基金等預算案今天議程版是在去年 |
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大概10月左右就要進行但是 到現在 但是還是要進行因為農業部的預算非常非常重要那是本委員會大部分委員是來自中南部中南部的農業發展 漁業發展這個農業部的預算至關重要我也請水井委員會的所有同仁務必 |
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在審查過程中對合理預算我們全力支持讓預算能夠很順利的審查通過確保農業發展漁業發展確保這個農民的權益跟漁民的權益好謝謝 接下來請農業部陳俊基部長報告 |
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主席各位委員大家好那今天 |
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大院經濟委員會審查中央政府總預算115年總預算有關於農業部以及農業部所屬單位的一個預算那我想在預算報告之前還是要感謝所有的委員長期以來對我們農業的一個支持因為有我們委員的一個支持跟鞭策才能夠讓我們台灣的農業一直往前走那今天的報告大概分為七個部分 |
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1719.939 |
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在去年的時候其實我們遇到非常多的天然災害那在這樣的一個天氣的一個變動環境的一個變動之下我們農業部的整個施政作為最主要是讓我們整個農業的政策的推動能夠穩定中去往前推那在115年我想我們在這個會希望在這樣穩定中 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1720.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1739.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
能夠讓我們臺灣的農業再次的往前走所以我們後續會針對相關的天然災害基礎建設跟農業生產環境甚至於農民的福利以及農村的支持跟環境的永續這六大面向去做相關的一個政策的一個規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1740.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1752.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
那整個的一個農業政策基本上是在國家希望工程的五大主軸之下我們透過自衛任性永續安心而去做相關的一個政策規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1753.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1778.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那以115年的整個預算規模來講第一個部分是公務預算公務預算的預算規模是1748億那相關的特別預算在115年度編列了153億那同樣的在我們的基金特別是農發農損農債基金的部分還有其他的作業基金的部分總共是818億那如果扣掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1778.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1799.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
原來的公寓算撥補到基金重複編列的部分那大概在115年農業部所可資用的相關的預算是2311億那比114年增加了62億那整個公寓算的稅務的部分是18.08億那比 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1802.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1821.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
上年度增加了0.33億那整個稅出的部分那正如剛才所說的是1748億的一個規模那我們所跟去年相比我們所增益的部分我大概這邊做一個比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1822.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1847.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
基本性的說明第一個部分就是電價的一個價差的一個動仗的一個補貼那另外增加的最主要是整個環境的一個農田水利的跨域整合的部分然後特別針對氣候變件下針對波地的大規模崩塌跟不安定土砂的一個經費的一個編列那同時我們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1848.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1872.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
增略了彌補農保的一個虧損達到4.68億那同時針對相關的新興計畫裡面有關於縣市管核酸跟排水的整體的改善計畫12.3億也是新增的部分那同時針對國家防疫一體的行動計畫以及我們持續的針對無人機載具在農用方面的相關的一個研究發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
1874.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1888.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
那以115年的稅數來看的時候1748億裡面那其中的46%是依法律義務支出規模達到800億那這個依法律義務支出的部分大概有10多項 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
1889.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1913.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
包括了我們的福利津貼我們的農保保費的補助還有農保的健康保險的一個虧損的一個彌補那同時針對退休儲金的一個提撥那天然災害的救助金的一個提撥那另外針對獎勵休餘的措施跟漁業用油的補貼等等這就是法律優惠支出的部分那其他的部分大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1913.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1923.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
科技發展大概是51億那一般性補助款是26.37億那一般性的支出大概是591.63億那針對補助地方政府預算的編列在這邊特別說明我們在114年度是編列了58億那在115年是編列了27.56億那最主要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1934.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
1961.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
那個費用減少的原因是因為配合整個財政法的部分已經有相關的一個經費編列到地方政府去所以相關的這些整個的一個過去的一個補助的部分我們重新去做一個盤點那相關的部分大概分為計劃型補助跟一般型的補助那最主要是在一般性的補助裡面編列了26.37億那計劃型補助的部分編列到1.19億 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
1962.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1983.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
至於說有關於我們農業部主管非營業基金的部分分為兩個部分一個是特收基金的部分一個是作業基金的部分特收基金的部分包括農發農損農債跟天然災害救助以及林務造林跟漁業發展基金的部分最主要的整個的基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1994.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
的收入的一個支出是收入是520億那支出的部分是678億那作為基金的部分我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1996.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2015.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
總收入的部分是128億然後支出的部分是139億那如果比較整個農業特別收入基金的一個總表來看的話那相關的我們的115年的預算的基金的來源是520億以比去年的法定預算多了55.65億那基金的用途裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2016.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2037.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
由原來的611億去年的611億今年我們編列了678億增加了66.74億的部分那主要的增加的部分除了是因應去年所發生的那個當他是颱風及0728豪雨災後復建的部分以外那我們也增列了穩定肥料及相關資材的相關的一個費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2038.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2062.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那接下來就是針對各個基金裡面特別是農發基金的部分那農發基金的部分我們的基金用途是260億比去年增加了30.75億那在農損基金的部分我們基金的用途編列了166.95億比去年減少了2.19億那主要的一些簡列的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2062.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2077.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
農地對地幾戶我們移到農發基金去做處理然後針對養牛產業全面升級的7.48億的部分我們去移到其他的基金去做處理那在農村再生基金的部分我們編列了172.35億 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2080.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2102.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
那比去年增加的16億那最主要也是因應當然是颱風零七二八豪雨的一些編列還有整個農村再生跨域發展及社村再生的一個計畫希望說透過這樣的一個經費來支持我們整個農村的一個建設那在林務基金跟天然災害及漁發基金的部分天然災害救助基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2103.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2118.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
部分我們今年編列62.16億遠比去年的39.6億增加那最主要我想這一兩年來整個天候的一些不穩定那相關的天然災害啟動的時候我們必須有足夠的這些經費來協助農民進出的一個復耕那林務跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2124.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2143.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
零雲的造林基金的部分那基本上跟去年編列是大概少了一些但是相關的最主要是用在林業的一個區位的一個整理跟經營的一個管理那漁業發展基金我們原來相關的經費就非常少那最主要是補助一些學者出席國際會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2145.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2160.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
那在作業基金本身來講分為三個一個是總量改良繁殖基金一個是去年改良作業基金還有一個農科園區的一個作業基金那整個作業基金本身它仍然有它的一個禁止那整個的支出請參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2163.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2169.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
那農田水利基金的部分整個業務的總收入是123.18億那業務總支出是132.89億那相關的一個部分增加了開支大概是9.71億左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2180.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2205.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
另外還有一個有關於信託的一個基金那信託基金最主要是我們農民退休儲金的一個基金是專款去做信託的部分那整個預計在115年總收入是10.13億那總支出是277.3萬那相關的一個基金我們是透過這個退休儲金的一個收繳的一個制度專案來做一個管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2206.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2221.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
那如果比較我們特別是我想委員所關心的我們近兩年公務跟基金預算重要的一個計劃編列情形那最主要是在我們的農水路社區道路野溪水利設施的部分我們在115年編列了221億那遠比114年178億增加了43億所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2229.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2244.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我們今年度有非常多的一個預算會支持我們的基礎建設那第二個部分也是委員所一直關切的相關的一個冷驗的計畫那冷驗的第二期計畫我們持續編列了12.6億那如果說包括相關在基金方面來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2244.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2266.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
可用的冷面的計畫規模可以達到40億那另外我們用電的一個優惠的一個價差補貼的部分那因為過往都是由台電那邊直接吸收那後來從去年開始是由各單位自己編列預算那我們115年我們重新評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2268.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2296.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
計算了相關的這些補貼的部分我們編列了40.5億那基金的預算主要用來就是一級二轉三加三的一個整合農糧作物產業升級的一個方案那這個方案也的確讓我們的我們稻米價格能夠維持讓我們的種雜糧的轉做的農民也有很好的收益那還有肥料的部分還有養牛產業升級的部分以及養豬的產業韌性的一個價值提高的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2297.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2317.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那簡單的說在114年的部分我們的執行率是達到稅出執行率達到99.43%那稅率是超過100%達到114.68%那在整個的基金的部分我們的執行率也是特別收入基金達到97.60那作業基金達到94.27那水利事業作業基金達到91.13%那我想整個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2325.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2344.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
就是用來做農業的相關的一個建設那我想農業部將持續精進各項的農業施政作為然後同時也針對產業的需求來推動整個農業升級的一個轉型那我想非常感謝我們所有的委員長期的一個支持那我們希望說透過這樣的一個經費的編列能夠讓我們台灣的農業越來越進步謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2355.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2380.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
好 謝謝農業部陳副部長的報告本日議程所列的討論事項我們合併進行詢答委員之間選主席願意做以下的宣告第一 明會委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘 B要是延長2分鐘A本會委員4分鐘 上午10點10點截止發言登記首先先請登記第一位邱毅英委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2387.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2390.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
好 謝謝主席 我請一下部長請農業部沈部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2397.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2419.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
部長好部長我想我今天就這個農產品的食品安全的部分來請教這兩天我想這個整個新聞已經從上個禮拜上上禮拜的發芽馬鈴薯到現在的進口花生已經開始在炒作那我看到包括你們的次長也出來拍了一個影片部長我想還是要請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2420.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2445.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
到底這個台灣的花生的市佔率其實國產花生市佔率是佔百分之七十嘛七十五左右百分之七十五所以我們還是有大概一萬噸每一年大概還是有一萬噸的這個缺口對不對那這一萬噸的缺口一萬三千到一萬五千噸那這一萬噸的缺口是不是都需要仰賴進口是的那如果仰賴進口主要的進口國有哪些美國是我們的主要的進口國嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2446.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2459.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
我想以花生來講,過往美國的花生大概只有進了大概不到1%,就是去年是68,前年是75萬噸那其他的最主要是印度、阿根廷跟巴西,它佔了將近96%到97% |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2462.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2484.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
好那美國進口的這些花生主要拿來做什麼因為美國的花生其實比較硬香氣不足台灣人還是喜歡吃台灣的國產花生嘛最主要是做了一些花生醬還有一些加工的一個產品如果他進來他進口來是在做主要是做花生醬跟加工品那對於國產市場的影響是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2484.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2506.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
我想我們台灣的花生有它的香氣跟它的特殊性所以我們台灣的最主要是以掀夾的方式去做去做一個商品還有相關的這些如果就即使是托格的話也會以呈現台灣的香氣為主的這些加工產品所以兩者有市場它的區別所以大家現在在講說美國進口花生零關稅會影響台灣的國產花生那 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2510.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2519.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
這個相對應的就是我們現在談到的這個美國進口的任何食品我們有一個300億的食安基金這個食安基金會用在補助這個上面嗎或是輔導我想一定是協助這個產業做生計我想特別趁這個機會跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2530.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2554.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
外界所擔心的說會被美國的花生打趴那他是純粹從價格的角度去看這個問題那剛才我也特別說到了台灣的花生有它的特色那我們之所以會持續佔75%就是說它本身有它的特色所以後續我想我們除了對地方的這些產業做升級輔導以外我們對於整個市場的區隔的品牌行銷我們也會加大力道 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2554.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2565.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
好這個我希望這個農業部說到做到好如果談到品牌行銷產地來部長我今天要跟你討論洗產地的問題我知道您是這個農產專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2568.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2573.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
上個禮拜其實我過去在去年我一直在跟農業部討論這個問題很多的進口菜的業者從中國席產地那變成從中國買菜進來之後呢到了越南換一個貨櫃 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2587.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2598.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
換一個證件就變成是合法的越南的蔬菜進口來台灣這一個貨櫃的暴利我們想說這樣子轉運會賺錢嗎這一個貨櫃的暴利是20萬到50萬不對如何證明它其實是精油 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2605.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2625.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
這個越南去洗產地這個是報價單走越南出口台灣的參考費用請您看一下然後呢他有一個產地證跟檢驗證一個貨櫃只要3000塊人民幣當地政府可以配合業者去開立假的產地證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2627.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2644.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
一個貨櫃只要大概台幣1.3萬元就可以拿到這樣的一個產地證明那如何證明這一些基本上是息產地部長讓您看一下113年進口的高麗菜跟大白菜大概有8萬噸這個比例增加的非常多但是越南實際產的大白菜的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2655.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2659.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
其實不到這些 再給您看一個香菇 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2660.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
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這個呢根據我從當地的台商直接種植的台商取得的資料越南的香菇實際的產地大概是在大樂種植的面積大概5公頃你們現場有非常多的農業專家應該可以很清楚的去計算以5公頃的面積大概年產量只有7.5噸但是您知道去年112年從越南進口到台灣的乾香菇 |
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高達了955噸越南一年大概只有產7.5噸在他們越南自己國內借家就不夠了竟然有辦法進口955噸的香菇來台灣這代表什麼 |
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這代表什麼 農業部有沒有掌握部長 這個截圖是您接受電視台訪問的時候我把它一格一格把它放出來這些都是您說過的話嘛 對不對您也是這一方面的專家好 您說呢越南跟中國因為產地相近有可能我們在做這一些這個資料比對的時候資料鑑定的時候因為它的土質 它的水 它的空氣太過相近 |
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非常有可能沒有辦法檢驗出到底哪裡是越南的哪裡是中國的這個是您說過的嘛對不對對現在的進步現在的資料庫比較多的時候就能夠做有效的區別所以部長我給您看這一張這一張呢是越南的 |
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台商 越南的台灣農民種菜的時候他把他們所種的大白菜拿去給第三方公證所做出的檢驗這第三方公證所做出的檢驗呢他可以很清楚的分辨到他所送來的這個大白菜是越南產出的不是中國產出的好 如果現在的檢驗標準是可以這麼清楚的驗出的話 |
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農業部有沒有可能積極的去採取行動嚇阻這樣子的洗產地的行為發生來保定我想第一個謝謝委員的關心那我想農業部一向對於這種洗產地是非常厭惡而且我們積極建立相關的這個資料庫那對越南來講整個的資料庫的建置第一個要去取樣去採樣的部分其實我們已經受到越南相當多的干擾我們 |
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社防院的人相當多的干擾是什麼就是相關的就是我們希望說透過因為我們去到那邊要去是官方的干擾還是進口商的干擾還是什麼樣的干擾他們官方本身只能安排到我們他指定的地點去採樣那這個是我們不能接受的 |
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因為我們希望說整個的一個產區我們都希望採樣這樣的話做資料庫比對才有效果所以我們也持續在跟越南本身做相關的一個溝通那現在目前就是海關的部分對於產地證明如果疑慮的話 |
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我們一律就是會延緩放行或是再回到越南去做更仔細的查證但是這個還不足以去二組最主要是我們必須掌握我們的技術那技術的部分後來我們透過很多台商來協助從越南拿回來這些香菇我們逐漸做了這個資料庫這也是我跟你說的我們現在的檢測也越來越精準但是有一個問題就是 |
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他們很多越南的種植是在靠近大陸的那個邊界讓我們去做比較難以判斷的一個混淆的事讓你很難以去辨別但是其實我覺得有一些東西依常理去做判斷啦部長其實這件事情在邊境的管制在關口的管制上面我也曾經跟農業部還有跟海關去做過討論很多的 |
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比如說農民啦很多人走小三通去帶中國的香菇進入台灣這個已經是沒有辦法控制的一個人每一次進出口金門的居民可以帶一公斤所以呢在三鳳中街我在高雄的三鳳中街買到的很多都是中國進口的香菇走小三通進來的不是走合法的進口的這個過程進來的但是這個怎麼抓 抓不到 |
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因為我們就規定小三通的路線金門的居民可以帶1公斤自用有的人一天進出好幾次一次帶1公斤如果單一個人經常進出的話我們會做相關的一個追蹤還是沒用嘛那所以我在講說你們這個我們所謂的這個同位素的檢驗這件事情有沒有可能納入未來 |
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2969.85 |
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農業部在對這些進口蔬菜的檢驗標準上面來做一個強制我想在美國他們其實都有做這樣的一個強制標準那這些洗產地洗產地的進口蔬菜會流入哪裡團善流入學校的營養午餐 |
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我想第一個我想我願意正面的回應委員我願意把相關的這些高比較高的這些同位素的檢測納入相關的一個基本檢測範圍之內那至於說後續要從哪個品項開始我想我們專家會來討論 |
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我覺得這個應該開始去進行啦我甚至你們現在還是要跟關口去做比對齁類似這樣的一個洗產地整貨櫃整貨櫃的進來當然你會告訴我說進口的蔬菜大概就是颱風期的時候短缺的時候才有需要但是現在的狀態已經不是這樣囉整貨櫃整貨櫃這樣的進來對於台灣的 |
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菜農對於台灣的農民的影響甚至你進入到了校園這些進口來的蔬菜 洗產地的蔬菜它的農藥檢測是沒有經過審核的然後直接進入到了校園團上我知道比如說像很多的國小的營養午餐的團上像西螺的市場裡面的中轉菜是佔一成喔 |
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3031.662 |
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是占一成喔那這些是沒有辦法檢驗的喔這個對於我們的食品安全衛生來講其實這個才是最大的考驗喔這個是要考驗農業部你們在檢測上面的功能我也跟委員講喔我也請我們的農事組這邊喔後續針對越南地區做航拍我要去標定他們的產地大概有多少量 |
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如果說你的輸到台灣的量已經超過的時候應該要有個機制去做這樣的一個處理就像委員剛才所說的大概用這樣的方式來處理謝謝主席不好意思請部長先回座謝謝邱英文下位執行請張家俊委員 |
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謝謝主席我想請部長請農業部沈部長部長早其實這一個禮拜以來我一直等著一定要今天來詢問部長因為馬鈴薯的事情引起大家非常非常的關注我現在手上有兩顆馬鈴薯 |
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部長你知道哪一顆是美國的哪一顆是台灣的嗎我沒辦法判斷啊看不清楚就是說部長都沒有辦法判斷了更何況是我們一般的民眾那現在呢我還有一顆發芽的馬鈴薯我想要請問部長現在 |
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有在呼籲說這個發芽的馬鈴薯也能吃是真的嗎至少我從來沒有說過這樣的話那我也跟委員報告就是馬鈴薯它是一個活的生物體所以在市面上看它發芽的可能就是它的儲存不適當所造成的但是不能影射是進口那本席先問一下部長您覺得發芽的馬鈴薯能吃嗎 |
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3160.287 |
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我想這要看它的條件因為相關的龍奎鹼它的形成是在發芽以後又綠化遇到光所以它會做累積但是牙體的長度跟它的龍奎鹼的濃度它是不是有非常正面的正相關因為假設假設我是一般的民眾我聽到部長這樣說聽起來好像是只有長一點點沒關係 |
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3214.652 |
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我覺得這一定要很小心不能夠誤導民眾因為如果假設他吃了他不斷的吸收說吃發芽的馬鈴薯沒關係這件事情他吃了他中毒了到底誰要負責我想我們也不應該去傳言說發芽馬鈴薯能吃我剛才說的我從來沒有說過這句話然後相對的因為龍奎減 |
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3226.701 |
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你應該知道龍奎簡是一種神經毒素它是不會經由高溫烹煮跟經由油炸它是不會消失的 |
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3227.748 |
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3248.037 |
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所以假設我們政府告訴大家說吃發芽的馬鈴薯沒有關係我想也不是政府說的喔好那我絕對沒有說這樣說你沒有這樣說我想政府就不會這樣說所以不能說政府說的我那天其實有看到部長也有吃馬鈴薯我現在擔憂的是說既然政府都知道 |
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有毒的馬鈴薯不能吃發芽的馬鈴薯可能有龍葵檢那為什麼還要開放就是不要這麼嚴格的檢測呢我跟委員報告我們所有的檢驗標準是沒有變的只要是發芽的馬鈴薯是絕對不能進關但是過去是只要有一個發芽馬鈴薯你就是要整櫃退啊 |
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但是你現在不是啊差別在哪裡你直接告訴我我給你一個釐清的機會我可以很清楚的講過去我們是遇到一顆發芽的省櫃褪那現在因為我們發現到過去的一些資料裡面 |
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整櫃裡面可能只有幾棵非常少數的發芽那我們讓業者可以有一個改善的一個機會如果他提改善企劃然後在指定的加工的地點他都發芽了他怎麼改善沒有 挑掉啊 |
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3308.151 |
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3332.48 |
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那其實這就更令人擔心了你剛才就告訴我說這個是有機物體所以一顆發芽可能其他還沒開始發芽了它已經被感染了但是肉眼看不出來發芽不是感染的不過我要跟委員報告馬鈴薯是活體的植物活體的植物它本身你放在那邊你可能三天五天就發芽了所以你儲存不當就會發芽 |
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3334 |
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3350.37 |
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跟通關與否是無關的所以現在農業部是要變成進口商的挑菜小幫手的意思嗎委員不要用這種語言去處理我再問一下部長我們一年進口多少大概十應該 |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3363.342 |
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美國的話是7萬噸那全部的話是15萬噸那我就先問部長說假設是7萬噸一顆差不多150克你知道有多少顆嗎你要看一個貨櫃啦20萬噸你會有8萬顆假設7萬噸來說至少有5億顆 |
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3371.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3395.964 |
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怎麼逐科檢查嘛 你怎麼檢查七萬噸裡面有非常多的是相關的是冷凍的調製的真正的生鮮蝕的部分是兩萬七千多噸好啦 就算兩萬七千多噸你現在告訴我有沒有可能逐科檢查那我剛才說過了在過往的紀錄裡面它是0.6%那接下來呢 接下來我再問今天 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3415.89 |
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所有的報紙頭版頭都是說美國花生要零關稅進口我想要先問一下部長到底美國花生現在ART還沒有正式生效已經開始無限量的進口了嗎 |
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沒有啊那所以什麼時候會開始進口我想我們所有的所有的花生的進口有一定它的一定的期節一定的季節我先問嘛就是ART都還沒有生效為什麼要提前棄手呢有沒有什麼時候要進口因為大家擔憂得不得了就是我們ART還沒有生效前應該要繼續維持關稅配額一年五二三五嘛我們一直維持的啊那是媒體在操作的啊 |
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3446.118 |
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3461.047 |
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所以你們預計是什麼時候我想現在目前我們整個ART的簽署的內容是我們是確定的但是整個ART本身它的一個法律的框架架構上面美方正在尋求新的一個法律架構 |
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3485.909 |
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所以他還不會正式實施在台灣不會正式實施也會進到立院去做相關的一個確認跟審查才會正式的實施現在所有的花生農都非常擔心本來你告訴本席我記得3月的時候我在總諮詢也問過你說花生進口要三次啊那你告訴本席說美國花生進來 |
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3487.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
3504.698 |
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競爭的是阿根廷跟印度的花生你是不是有這樣告訴過阿根廷跟巴西那你覺得美國花生進來他會乖乖的只跟阿根廷印度巴西的花生競爭不跟台灣的花生競爭嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
3530.993 |
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我要跟委員說明我們要看總需求量當你一個產品進口的時候那原來的進口是印度、阿根廷、巴西佔的96%然後美國才不到1%所以它進來一定會先取代但是它的價格優勢是我們台灣的三倍啊它的價格優勢是我們台灣的三倍我再問一個重點假設 |
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3532.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
3553.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
食品加工廠他進口了美國的花生他做出來的這個食品加工是Made in Taiwan還是會標示是美國花生做我相信產地一定會標示產地一定會標示產地這標籤是規定的本席去查了他說他會寫Made in Taiwan |
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3555.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
3569.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
所以呢這是現在的使館法規定的他進口來之後他在台灣加工他就變成Made in Taiwan這才是真正的洗產地我告訴你那個叫做實質轉型那這個部分我想我們也實質轉型是不是洗產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
3572.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
3582.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
我想不能用這樣的角度去看這個問題所以這個不是重點這個才是你要重視的我要提醒的我們會重視整個台灣的花生我今天不是要檢討你我是希望你要看到問題在哪裡是不是能夠標示假設是美國來的你就不能寫Made in Taiwan你就要寫美國產甚至台灣本地的花生你要本地產然後當初3月5問你的時候你告訴我說 |
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轉做價格會提高現在那時候我就提醒你我就提醒你說既然美國花生的優勢是我們價格是我們的三倍我們花生轉做現在轉做金額是多少 |
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我告訴你我們現在花生轉作金額是一公頃三萬五我知道那那個時候我就說我們如果要跟美國有競爭的這個空間我們至少轉作金要提高三倍吧 |
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那3萬5成以3倍是多少10萬5千這樣才有辦法穩定軍心嘛你穩定所有花生農的心你昨天農業部出來說可能會有三成的農民三成的農民影響你這次三成去種麻豆去種對不起喔委員我必須要再澄清一次我們昨天胡市長講的兩成到三成是 |
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純粹用價格的角度而且沒有政府的支持之下可能會有這樣的影響但是農業部絕對不會沒有作為所以我們有非常多的配套措施會去啟動來支持我們的花式博量產業那你告訴我是什麼配套措施 |
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好我第一個部分我想我們整個配料因為我們台灣我本身的仙甲的部分是以這個產品為主所以我們會啟動所謂的仙甲的一個收購那另外我們會啟動區域型的烘乾的中心讓農民免疫這樣的一個烘乾還有相關的機能在內你這個問題就是沒有辦法解決問題嘛 |
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它已經賣不出去了你還在幫它烘乾它的價格就已經沒有競爭力的怎麼烘乾烘乾了要賣誰我覺得你如果這樣講的話其實台灣的農業沒有那麼脆弱台灣農業是有韌性的部分透過我們的引導我們可以讓台灣的花生維持一定的品牌我們市佔率是75%我知道 你知道市佔率75% |
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是我們多少農民 多少農民努力出來的才有75%結果你現在要無限的領貨稅進口美國花生所以我們希望標明說台灣花生美國加工品也要變成Made in Taiwan |
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那怎麼辦呢我想我們會針對台灣花生做一個特殊的一個台灣花生的一個品牌然後我們也會去去爭取所有的國外進口的花生它的原產地一定要標它的原產地不能標台灣這是你在這裡承諾本席的喔我是真的期待你一定要做到因為這個不落實影響的是很多家庭我想我們會跟昨天那個 |
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農業部表示說要輔導他們轉型種別的作物你知道嗎所有老農他種了一輩子他種土豆他種花生他就只會種花生我想不要動不動就說我們的老農我們所有農業不是只有老農在做我知道但是老農比較脆弱我們也會來協助我們一定 |
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我希望說委員在地方跟我們在農業部這邊一起來合作讓我們的產業能夠繼續往前走這才是重點是你自己說要合作的呀那你要下來啊你不下來你至少要派署長下來吧我想我們很樂意跟地方一起努力去做這樣的事情但是也不要透過任何的政治操作去做這樣的一個問題我跟你說我最不想要這個政治操作我只想要他們能夠安全 |
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然後可以把這個產業保護住 我們可以努力把這個產業做大好 謝謝謝謝張委員 請部長回座我今天這個好像發言時間比較寬鬆一點這只限今天好 先為質詢請陳庭瑋委員 |
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我們請農業部長農業部陳部長 |
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謝謝部長我想我們針對豐農口他的一個災損其實我們努力很久了所以才會正式有公告那但是呢我們在整個天然災害救助的一個範圍裡面好像我們整個氣候變遷的因素 |
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變成我們因為當時候的天然災害救助沒有把這個藥像標註所以呢現在很多的青農們剛剛部長說的不只老農我們還有很多的青農很多青農們現在面臨在今年在這樣的一個風的一個狀況之下他的蜂蜜還有他的災害的部分到底要怎麼面對他們已經出現問題了 |
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我想我了解但是我們現在也正在包括那個風的這些天然災害也是在我任內的時候開的最主要就是說因為風能本身有點類似半油木他會隨著花季而做不同地區的移動那我們第一個考慮就是說如果天然災害的時候 |
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那他一定該在地方去申請可是他受災的地區可能不是在那個縣市所以我們現在正在處理相關的技術性的一個細節部長你講的是比較過去的狀況現在差不多如果依照在台南市他可能就是在各區 |
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各區比較不會說台南市又跨到嘉義市又跨到雲林比較少這個狀況現在其實他們都比較說龍眼蜜 龍眼墨很容易跑到台中來當然你是說他會有飛然後去取得他比較有力的一個資源這個部分可是 |
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範圍不可能跑那麼遠現在比較沒有那麼遠10001000可能會可是現在因為很多青龍而且我們現在在做一些科技的認定這個部分其實對他們青龍來講都是舊近比較多那我也認為說部長說你們也一直在突破這個問題可是現在遇到的狀況氣候變遷真的太嚴重了所以呢他的整個 |
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所謂的這個風群的弱化造成產量的銳減已經相較於去年就只有10%到20%而已這是非常明顯的所以當他們看到說哇苗栗有公告可是苗栗是因為雨災 |
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是因為雨災那麼變成他們面臨自己風的狀況沒有辦法如預期他們開始緊張開始擔心因為如果以我們農業天然災害認定標準是沒有這個所謂天然氣候氣候變遷的狀況只有寒害 旱災跟水患那 |
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這個部分畢竟遇到我們現在要面臨的過去在108年到113年我們曾經有開放過有兩次然後現在他們想說是不是我們也可以在比照當時候來協助他們度過難關 |
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我跟委員報告我願意針對蜜蜂的部分去做一個比較系統性的去設計不要讓蜂人擔心今年好像例外明年又不可以了我希望有一個一致性的那 |
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我要討論這個一次性的時候必須是在他們可現堪可認定的情況所以我在剛才的會講會這個部分包括開發力五成您剛才講的苗栗是蜂箱受損但是更重要的是您說的蜜蜂如果它的它的飛行力受阻的時候 |
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可能就會有影響然後花變少的時候也會有影響那至於說變到多少會影響會跟你當地的那個蜂箱的數量是有關的所以這個部分我想農養署已經在做比較仔細的評估我希望做一次性的解決啦 |
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部長這些資料我們台南都沒有問題其實我們已經都調查了所以這些都是相關的在台南各地依照過去跟現在他們所看到整個這個受影響的一個比例都已經做了這樣的一個申報所以台南沒有問題 |
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所以是不是可以你可以依照台南的狀況然後去取得一個比例因為今年就已經發生狀況我很擔心部長等你研究出來又過了今年然後明年又過了明年又過了後年 |
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那這個天氣變化說真的氣候變遷對台南對全國不是只有台南是全國的影響其實越來越顯著了所以部長這個部分是不是可以有一個時間點我想我盡快請農糧署就是針對主要的豐的這些產區去做一個瞭解然後在一兩個禮拜之內有一個比較明確的數據的時候我們就來判斷到底要怎麼開罰 |
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好 那拜託因為所有的親農都在等待因為我們一直希望他們回到自己的家鄉那我們也希望說我們可以幫他無後顧之憂因為這種天氣的變化我跟他說 農民都是看天吃飯的 |
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阿現在的天氣變化我們又很難去掌握跟評估所以我覺得如果現在這樣的一個這個非常關鍵的時刻我們來協助他才會讓所有的青農更有信心所以再拜託部長好 我們會來處理好 那再 |
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第二個部分就是說部長我曾經跟你說過我們希望未來我們可以聽台南也就是在這個今年我特別到東京時評展然後你知道我們的芒果已經可以上我們日本大型的超商 |
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所以我們這樣的一個大型的超商說真的給台南市很大的一個鼓勵而且我也拜託我們這些通路可以share給大家也就是說你拿到的芒果的這樣的一個通路我們也希望可以給我們所有其他各農會可以有加工品的通路 |
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這個就是大家彼此協助來做你的背景變成一個台南的一個成果展所以我一直在跟部長報告就是說未來我們希望當我們打出這樣的一個脈絡的時候是不是可以讓我們聽台南的包裝給我們一些協助 |
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我想我們持續在協助有意願外銷的縣市政府給他們一些特別的經費去做行銷包括他本身的品牌的建立那成路您剛才一直強調的其實要進去到日本或其他國家通路是一個非常重要的關鍵那我們農業部在過去在鳳梨的這個階段已經建立了不少的通路甚至於已經有到 |
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超商超市的通路那我們希望說各個地方政府能夠把自己的通路也拿出來分享那相對的我們的通路更多元化然後不同的縣市也可以打不同縣市的品牌這個是我想一定會來支持的這個真的不容易啊 |
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光我們要把台南的通路share給我們台南的品牌其實這就要很多的溝通而且你知道嗎這一次東京食品展我是帶著所有台南各農會的加工食品 |
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整箱整箱這樣子各種品牌帶出去一樣一樣share給我們所有的會這個朱氏會社的會長他們去社長他們去了解然後我們因為我們沒有辦法 |
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有這樣的一個所謂的包裝Tintinan的包裝我們現在只有用各農會自己的包裝所以未來如果我們要打這個品牌Tintinan這個包裝非常的重要而且是一致的這樣的一個標誌然後有不一樣的一個宣傳還有它的成品成分等等所以這個部分都一定要有 |
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一個系統的所有的一個規劃所以我要拜託部長我非常有信心我這一次去東京食品展看完之後其實我跟我們的這個黃志芳黃董事長說未來我們希望打的是聽台難 |
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因為我們台南的廠商真的太用心了農業也用心然後在整個推動的行銷方面也很用心所以我們政府應該給他們更多的力量未來市府會給他們力量我們更希望可以結合農業部我們一起來加油一起來拼出聽台南相信有聽台南就會有聽台灣因為這是連結在一起的是不是 |
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所以我覺得說下一次連同我們下一次要去泡珍珠奶茶給大家喝我們要泡珍珠奶茶給大家喝我們要給大家看到我們的百年老店我們已經有構思有構想但我欠缺的是我們需要中央更大的幫忙可以嗎我想我們一定會支持這類的一個活動特別是把我們臺灣的農產品王多元的外交市場特別在日本市場的婆婆我想我們會全力來支持 |
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所以那一天在東京食品展的時候我們也一起簽署了MOU跟伊斯丹我們的社長簽了MOU所以我相信這個也是我們台南獄警我們的林漢偉社長他會長他一直在推動的 |
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所以我覺得他把這樣子能夠share出來然後讓大家知道然後把這個通路一起拿出來我覺得我們就應該給他鼓勵給他加油甚至我們還跑了另外一個通路我們未來都已經有所謂的相關的資料我們會報給農業部拜託在這一次我們的暑假的時候 |
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我們農業部給我們更多的支持更多的協助我相信未來台南一定是會成為我們的驕傲好不好好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝陳廷輝委員所以我這個今天發言時間管控很寬鬆謝謝好部長先回座下位置請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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主席 在榮園先進 列席了政府協商官員 會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請農業部陳部長 請農業部陳部長喂吼 部長吼 你在家裡有沒有在做菜 |
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非常非常少 非常少我是沒有在做菜 我負責買菜啦有時候買了生鮮超市買了一袋馬鈴薯回家放在冷藏庫裡面然後打開一看 哇糟糕了十幾顆有的發芽了請問這時候你會建議我怎麼做 |
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整袋丟掉 還是把發芽的拿掉我想我也把發芽的拿掉對嘛 這個是基本常識嘛所以我是覺得很多人都公美還恰就是馬鈴薯這個東西它只要是活體的只要是生鮮的 冷鮮的它就會持續的生長就算我在超市買來的是完全沒有發芽的放在家裡保存期間也有可能會發芽我繼續嘗試判斷發芽就不用沒有發芽的我繼續用食品加工廠這樣做可不可以 |
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我想食品加工那也是用這樣的方式做選別我們就這樣子來我們看重點是在上週我們辦了一個跟賴委員等幾位委員我們弄一個氣候邊遷農損來認定希望加強大數據的資料庫那我的訴求是說因為我們沒有辦法判定這個災害是不是天然災害其實回歸到什麼極端氣候的數據跟災損的關聯開發農業保險的保單好這是結論那我要講推論來請問一下部長 |
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你知道災方法裡面有哪些天然災害嗎?旱災、水災繼續然後地震、土石流喔不錯喔都有囉,旱災、水災、震災、旱災、寒害、土石流等等對不對?是好,那請問下一頁那我們農業天然災救助辦法有哪些?有沒有包含在內了? |
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是不是都差不多應該都冰暴嘛還有呢 龍捲風嘛就這樣嘛 對不對那因此衍生性的病蟲害 受害有沒有包括在我們的農業天然災救助幫法認定的災害裡面現在是沒有沒有包括沒有包括嘛但是氣候異常是會造成了這些病蟲異常的繁殖造成了我們很難農民很難對抗的這些農損會不會 |
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應該會 應該會 好但是我們所謂的天然災害為什麼要做農損救助因為不可抗力嘛 是如果是農民自己可以控制的譬如說田間管理他可以控制好這個病蟲害那就不算是天然災害嗎 |
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對不對所以說如果我們始終不把病蟲害氣候異常造成的病蟲害視為天然災害的話視為田間管理不善那農民會怎麼做他就是怎麼樣多用藥多用肥嘛因為是可控制嘛那是誰在認定到底可不可控制是不是農事所是不是農改廠 |
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對不對 農市和農該場遇到了氣候異常農民認為說 啊這個是天災但是農事團就判斷到底是你田間管理不當還是屬於不可抗力的氣候異常造成的 對不對所以這時候我們如果能夠建立氣候異常的大數據資料庫不管它衍生出來的是不是病蟲害的異常的發展 |
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只要是確定不是人為可以控制的,不可能透過用藥跟用肥解決的這樣子的認定是有助於我們未來的田間少用藥少用肥我認為是有幫助好,所以就請你們建立大宿區市道部好不好多開發這些農業保險的保單,可以嗎可以,我想我們也持續在做這個東西好,接下來要請教一下你知道屏東有一個特產,現在叫不是綠蜥,叫綠烈蜥吧 |
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外來種的嘛對好那目前綠類C的移植成效怎麼樣我想去年度大概移植26萬多隻我寫出來了那是用什麼方式我們有用獵槍嗎還是用彈弓什麼的方式我想我們是用專業的獵捕但是我們也提供了這個所謂的類似把我們的天然災APP有沒有把它導入是 |
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讓他很明確的知道在哪個地點做聚集然後再請相關的專業團隊 利用科技對不對好 但是請教一下 那目前啊我們有 都是用這些要受過訓 領有證照的人才能去抓綠葉溪嘛 是民眾 一般民眾不可以嘛一般民眾看了就要受過訓 要受過訓 他只能通報 OK好 那目前抓的結果都是用這些彈弓魚標牽線射擊 繩子捕捉的嗎 |
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護國者 署長知道 署長來 請一下跟委員報告 也包含我們部分是用槍支用槍支好 你知道我要問槍支好目前我們是不是在2024年之後成立應變角組2025年引進了槍支對不對對那槍支的這個獵手主要是找哪些人台灣是槍支管制國家台灣在我們民間 除了軍人是在部隊裡面之外其他會用槍的就是什麼 |
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原住民原住民他有基於他們原保法他們可以有自製獵槍對不對是所以你們請原住民來獵綠蜥龜嗎綠獵蜥綠獵蜥嗎對不起說錯了綠獵蜥剛剛是口誤綠獵蜥是不能綠獵是要打的綠蜥龜是要保護的好來那你們有購置獵槍自製獵槍交給原住民的獵人來打綠獵蜥嗎 |
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有沒有 有這樣子有 來 署長請說那你們買了多少槍效果怎麼樣原住民這邊他們是用他們自己的自製獵槍我們專案跟警政署申請那我們自己的自製獵槍有沒有買自製自製獵槍我們自己有過自製獵槍那這部分主要是由我們自己的森林護管員那他們會你們的森林護管員會使用自製獵槍真的假的前面都有受訓過他們都需要去打靶那他們有頂得合法的證照 |
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就是符合這個一般的要求好 那成效如何因為我們是負責重點地區比如說縣市交界三不管地帶那有一些區域距離比較遠用獵槍的成效確實很好這是其他工具難以達到的效果我們問過了一些民間團體還有根據我們這個媒體的報導他說過去如果你是用獵槍去捕殺大的好打嘛 |
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而且打的大的效果比較好,因為大的會繁殖嘛但是如果你用其他的工具抓活體的可能都抓到小的,是不是這樣?倒不一定,倒不一定但是目前我們有一個反應就是說我們這個綠葉溪的專案在執行的時候往往呢,因為預算的審查延誤發包之後呢,通常都在年度中了所以要在年度前我們從去年開始就已經沒有空窗期這個都跟地方政府協調所以你們什麼時候要結案? |
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他到年底會結案 但是發包這個還是接續著我了解 因為我在政府機關服務過一般的政府會計年度呢 到了十一二月就要求你結案但是十一二月正是綠列西繁殖的盛產期所以如果要獵人號去打綠列西應該叫他隔年一月再來結案 你覺得有沒有道理 |
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事實上目前是沒有中斷 從12月到1月所以說今年度的預算發報之後他可以達到明年的1月再來呈報在去年就已經完成了 調整好了那請你們我回報 給我一個說 購買了多少列槍有多少預算 那有徵用了多少的你們所有的巡管員 何時執行 好不好 給一個報告好 謝謝 我來往下看 |
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來 預防山林濫砍其實我們需要傳統的方法跟現代科技有個報導說在去年的1月山友去發現神木被砍伐疑似是山老鼠也看到公寮那請問森林護管員有辦法去查緝這個山老鼠嗎 |
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我們現在就是在一些重點地區我們會放置紅外線照相機OK 好說得很好紅外線照相機但是事實證明啊就這個個案來講呢紅外線照相機他並沒有辦法及時的去抓到三老鼠他只能知道有人在做對不對 |
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那是因為他是在很深山的地方沒有辦法通訊把訊號傳出來但是我們的護管員都會去收這個相機所以事實上委員講這個案我們在之前已經發現到然後也報警保齊在監控當中但是我們要說的是說其實我們根據數據來看 |
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護管員再怎麼樣他的人數是有個天花板的他要巡護的林地可能都超過上千公頃那麼我們發現後來有查緝的呢大部分其實是民眾看到 山友看到趕快去檢舉 是不是巡護員自己發現的比較少嗎一部分也有 沒有就是其實本來是我們這裡看到的民眾通報的比例是佔四分之三喔 |
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對 但是我們的相機發現到的也不少對啦 我就說民眾發現的是暫時分散署長 我並沒有在苛責你所以你不用防衛 我只要說因為這樣的方式是我們的工具沒有 其實搞到最後紅外線照相機還是民眾通報的多嘛那我們的人手不可能無限制的上漲嘛 |
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那是不是應用科技工具我們看一下來往下看因為我們的科技我們完完全全養到巡護士這是土方法你們弄了700個樣點結果要拍什麼要拍人車是不是你們去抓移動的目標這個紅外線照相在過去的野保裡面是怎樣 |
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其實 |
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其實我們的警方有很高的技巧因為他們透過一些人臉辨識的技巧是可以守人臉辨識來我們看一下其他國家怎麼做所以這個相機不是只是拍這個木頭而已還會拍到人不是我認為剛好跟你相反我認為拍木頭比較重要怎麼說你看看這些在其他國家他們用什麼電鋸的聲音 |
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他們用二氧化碳,也就是說當你要進行倒閥的時候,那個環境的偵測是有些數值變化的,那你知道這個方法嗎?知道,跟委員報,我們現在最大的問題是山區的通訊,因為我們台灣多山啦。是的,所以說這樣的一個37個國家使用的雨林保護專案,在台灣可能不見得受到通訊中斷會受到影響。 |
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所以有一種叫做遠程攝影的方式這個遠程攝影不是無人機喔無人機的自控時間有限但是它從高處定點用天文望遠鏡等級的方式做影像偵控這個方法也請您納入參考好不好好所以結論主席站起來了林保署請詳細說明捕捉綠、烈、溪的這個方式那也請農業部部長請你們建立這個大數據來協助開發農業保險的保單可以嗎以上三點訴求部長請回答 |
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可以好謝謝好謝謝鍾教平委員部長請先回座下一位質詢請楊瓊英委員謝主席楊瓊英發言邀請部長請農業部陳部長 |
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因為現在極端的氣候加劇尤其溫室效應的結果我們來討論一個天然災害的議題 |
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那因為一旦如果被歸類為非天然災害的時候呢 那即使跟氣候它異常高度有相關 它還是沒有辦法去啟動救助的機制尤其 除了颱風 豪雨的傳統天災之外 現在農業損害的形態已經很明顯的來變化 |
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那這個變化包括了病蟲害的擴散那野生動物這個侵擾環境變動所引發出的複合式的一個農損它似乎我們看到最近它是成為一個常態所以本席要請教過去我們農業部經常會說可以透過技術來改善為理由排除了病蟲害的損失在救助的範圍內 |
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在就住的範圍內那所以呢這個氣候變件的風險那等於是轉嫁到農民自己來承擔那在制度明顯沒有跟風險結構同步調整的時候所以本席要首先要請教部長當農損已經由單一天災轉為氣候驅動的複合型風險 |
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那現在我們還是以天然災害作為唯一鑑定的一個門檻那我們是不是覺得應該要去調整去調整真正的調整方案出來協助我們的農民他們的一個損失來請做說明謝謝委員對這個議題的關心那我們內部已經在重新啟動一些評估 |
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那一個重點就是過往天然災害大概就是對植物體本身的產量跟植株本身的受損去做救助但是當你的異常天候除了植物體影響也會影響到病蟲害的發生的週期跟密度 |
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但是這個發生的週期跟密度現在天然災害是沒有去做救助的那我有一個很基本的觀念就是如果這種天然災害異常天候引起的病床害的一個繁殖週期改變讓農民沒有辦法預先能夠想到或因應的時候那應該是可以考慮納入天然災害但是有一個重點就是它必須是有一致性跟普遍性的不是說一個農民兩個農民 |
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受損我們就來處理當然還是有它的區域性剛剛您說的你們也開始在啟動因為大家看到這個問題就是要去解決問題這些因子要怎麼樣納入真正照顧農民那你們多久時間會研議出來呢我想我們 |
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委員長我們一定會有用非常積極的速度一個月內將這些複合型的農損包括病蟲害的擴散野生動物的侵擾等環境變動的這些因子你們好好去討論來納入一個月後告訴社會大眾讓農民能夠安心接下來我們討論也就是在這個 |
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美國的國外貿易障礙報告裡頭那台灣呢在台美對等的貿易協定ART當中呢針對花生的市場那你們現在說承諾零關稅並豁免特別防衛措施是不是啊 |
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是不是啊 也會做回事啊應該這麼講就是我們的特別防衛SSG的部分當你是零跟稅的時候就沒有SSG啦對啊對 |
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但是我要跟委員報告因為您告訴我們說你說從美國進口的占比不到一個百分比但是你又很坦白的說會有二到三成的花生農會受到影響這個數字對等嗎我要特別跟委員說明我們胡適在說的時候有一個前提就是說 |
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長時間來看的時候 美國現在只有一person然後如果因為價格的因素價格的因素 而且政府沒有任何的支持作為的話可能會有兩到三成的影響但是 董業部絕對不會當他這樣子 |
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對 你這一句話很重要不是單一這樣子看因為如果公安數字就知道有貓膩在裡面目前花生75%是我們國產我們台灣的花生是世界讚的 |
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所以我們要更加努力去維持那進口的現在目前是25%你說占比美國進來的1%但是誠如你說的現在它幾乎是去殼的是每公斤47元那我們的是多少啊 |
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我們的是多少?100多嗎?對,140甚至150、160啊那怎麼可能不衝擊到我們的花生農呢? |
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對不對所以你如果以價格看好像是會衝擊但是你應該剛才有說其實台灣花生有它的特色我們要用價值去取代價格的戰爭不能一個政策讓農民自行去承擔那個風險絕對不會我們絕對不會所以我們會有一個完整的我們從頭到尾在談判的時候您也都一再強調本期一直問一定要先行照顧國內的農民為第一優先要件 |
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不能讓他們受損對不對我們現在也是一樣你現在還是如此但是你看到的這個風險呢你一架子馬鈴薯要開放技術性的規下現在到底要怎麼辦我想委員是一個非常明理的委員我們標準完全沒有改變我們的所有的檢疫標準我們發芽的絕對不會讓它入關 |
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我們的所有的標準都不會變只是在處理的程序來講就算拉到指定的地點去選別的時候也是在邊境的檢查的一環只要有發芽的全部不能進來這是我們承諾而且他那個期間 |
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一個禮拜內的這個期間 又有說要足科每一科都要去檢查 會不會足科檢查會不會足科檢查 還是抽驗在指定地點選別的時候 它是用那個輸送在選別 由業者看在我們的監督之下去處理的一個政府連一個馬鈴薯 |
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花了那麼多禮拜還是講不清楚接下來再來一個花生所以請教部長針對花生的這個事情那你認為你說要叫他們去改變種這個毛豆啊輔導他們做甘薯但是每一個地形地物以及他的這個土壤特色氣候會出事嗎你們的規劃要怎麼辦這一個結論告訴你請你們要好好的 |
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讓我們的農民能夠安心不要技術性的跪下那你至於你說要轉做什麼甘薯毛豆的這些配套必須要做好必須要做好我跟委員非常簡單的說明您剛才一直提到轉做就是媒體在下標的時候那事實上轉做不是一個我們的目的我們的目的是在支持我們台灣國產的花生能夠更有競爭力部長難怪我敬佩你 |
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你終於講出這一題提問的最重要的精神 |
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你的地形地物土壤氣候水質你可以素習嗎這不是只有口號去讓人民安心耶實際的行動要怎麼樣照顧真正的花生農這才是重點嘛所以當媒體或寫錯你還是要請他們要把你真正的目標你的方法要請他們寫明清楚啊對我們昨天下午就有發的澄清稿我們也做了非常詳細的一個說明 |
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我種花生的我現在要改為種韓族種這個毛豆會輸嗎? |
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對不對所以一定要理清楚我們一個原則還是一定要好好的照顧照顧我們的國內的我們的農民這是首重重要不可以口號之鬼不可以技術性的跪下這是我們都已經承諾的一個原則我們絕對不會這樣子所以你把方案來給本席最後一個議題我給你2025年5月份開始你們去推動這個美容定型化的契約利益很好 |
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但到目前為止 楊信陽做幾家?有做嗎?有做嗎?他現在應該沒有做沒有辦家 那你接下來我請問已經要一年了 |
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你等於是很老民嘛 你的配套都沒有做好 你連銀行沒有一家要願意做讓我們的毛小孩的父母啊 很緊張欸 讓業者也不知所措欸我即使要去做 沒一間銀行要給我做你可以做這樣的配套嗎 經過了一年 我請問你接下來要怎麼辦 |
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我跟委員我說明就是有關於寵物美容的企業大概分兩個層次一個層次是法規面的部分那法規面我們已經納入非常多的一個意見已經大概不管是毛小孩的氏族或是美容業的氏族請你針對議題來回答因為我們總結已經站上來它是一個消息對在食物上本身我覺得我們有必須要檢討的空間 |
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你利益很好但是你要怎麼去落實你根本落實不了你完全沒有配方連最根本的銀行都沒有一間要跟你做你經過了一年你還不拿出方案出來那個定型化的企業的部分在下個月的部分就有那個貧寶協會願意來承作 |
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從同業來承保 這個部位五月份就可以我個人如果每一次在討論的時候你就跟我說我下個禮拜我下個禮拜因為我本身認為說一個一年一個政策你弄到沒有一家銀行願意做你干擾了我們所有毛小孩的事主很緊張你也干擾了所有的業者 |
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他們也很緊張一個政府的政策怎麼可以如此讓三方都輸呢我跟委員報告要做定型化契約本身的這些信託的部分它只有是什麼你預先繳錢超過一萬塊你如果說月繳或次繳的話完全都不用所以它的這個內容很清楚所以你必須一個政策 |
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結果論就是你要完成所有的配套那你在執行一年有所困難連銀行都沒有一家要做的時候你的內容到底要怎麼樣調整你是要暫緩還是要怎麼樣你要告訴我們三方啊你要告訴業者啊你要告訴銀行端你要告訴市主啊才不會整個市場大家人心不安 |
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因為已經跟動保師有討論過因為我們已經公告了一年然後我剛才說了在資金面我們的確有做不好的地方我們會來努力在五月的時候五月中的時候就有所謂的同業的貧保協會來做承保那這樣的話就能夠解決相關的問題部長要加油不能讓我們的毛小孩的事主以及業者大家人心惶惶了 |
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謝謝楊瓊玲委員 部長請回座 戴耀榮戴耀榮戴耀榮在喔 現在請戴耀榮委員質詢待會這個鄭天才委員質詢之後 我們休息八分鐘好 謝謝邱昭偉 請陳部長請農業部陳部長 |
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部長我先請教中東情勢緊張導致油價上漲那其實很多的漁民包括不管遠洋或遠近海的其實都需要做支持那這個部分經費跟整個預算部分都確定了嗎 |
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我想都已經經過院裡面同意來執行特別是委員非常關心的遠洋漁業那因為委員所關心的遠洋漁業他在國外加油那國外加油並沒有辦法享受到國內的油價的這些這些措施嘛所以我們提供了相關的一個靠港征服的部分所以部長這些政策都已經定案了嗎大概定案了預算來源也沒有問題的嗎預算來源應該也沒問題好 |
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那這個請支持啦因為不管是我的或邱昭偉的我們的選區都遇到很多這樣的希望給漁民更多的支持不要受到中東影響油價的影響而導致他們的整個競爭力受到很大的一個影響好再來我請教一下高雄的肉品市場現在努力要原地轉型做一個冷鏈那冷鏈這幾年農業部推動的相當好啦那部長能不能全力來支持讓我們的肉品市場冷鏈這一塊能夠持續推動 |
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我想如果肉品市長如果提出需求的話我們原來一定會支持啦這個局長也是您的老同事啦正好局長已經提出來了就朝冷鏈這個方向我們還沒有收到對 他最近要送出來了送出來之後我希望部裡面全力支持我想肉品市長的冷鏈是我們政策在推的所以我想原則上我們會支持然後看他的提的計畫的內容看怎麼樣可以所以方向上是支持那細節內容再看我們再來對好 謝謝 |
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再來我請教一下齊山的香蕉之前的價格是不錯然後3月份是每公斤32元但最近跌了那部長有沒有怎樣的一些方案來做協助的我想我們也是同樣的就是最近我們一直在跟日本市場在做對接不然有關注到這個問題對有關注到這個所以香蕉我們看有沒有更好的一個機會到日本市場因為現在日本市場其實我們打得還不錯啦這些外銷的部分然後有一些能夠到加工的部分也會來處理 |
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對 很多人喜歡吃香蕉啦香蕉也是很好的一個農產品那我們也希望 特別日本人喜歡我們希望把這一塊持續強化那短期上的導致的因素這些價格下降我也希望農業部門能夠相關的措施來我想我們要策略聯盟要穩定價格的方式去處理 |
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好 這個是不是也給我一個方案給我們好不好一個禮拜內給我們一個方案再來是潛政運港的這個初餐也謝謝部裡面大力支持那因為5月11號要召開會議那其實這個招商要很成功啦因為要不然投入這麼多的資源那部長這個部分有做了什麼樣的努力嗎我想特別在5月11號召開會議之前其實我們內部有討論非常久那個招商本身一定要讓 |
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願意進來的業者我先問部長有沒有潛在的廠商了有沒有現在還沒有那有沒有在一些措施上面能夠讓廠商有意願來所以我們在後面的招商的部分就是說你願意進來的話我怎麼樣去減輕你的負擔特別在初期的一個負擔然後初期的負擔如果說必要的金融支持或融資的部分我們願意來協助 |
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這個部長請你要再持續的調整因為你如果不調整其實你目前的誘因可能還是不太夠的那當然長遠上面我們還是努力把交通甚至於有機會把捷運拉進來的時候那各項的措施至少讓他長遠他看得到他時間拉長的話他前面可能經營會辛苦一點但後面其實看得到效益好不好我們希望這一塊部裡面要有更好的一些方案來吸引另外要積極的邀商一定要積極的邀商好不好 |
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好 謝謝再要請教一下最近很多的一些不是很確切的一些消息像包括提到今天甚至於媒體還講到了政府犧牲農民也棄守食安包括甚至於講到了滅農這些的犧牲農民棄保食安部長有這樣的狀況嗎 |
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我想我們看到報紙那我特別今天早上有做了一些回應我覺得農業是一個非常專業特別在產業的升級輔導那農業的議題絕對不是政治操作的一個議題那用這種滅農這種就是唱衰台灣的農業 |
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我覺得是不應該啦相對的就是說其實我們在做任何的產業升級的部分特別是以花生為例的話我們有完整的一個配套措施會來協助產業升級然後這樣的一個產業中央跟地方一定要合作部長這個恐怕不只不應該這個也要予以譴責如果沒有這樣的事實沒有滅農沒有所謂的犧牲農民沒有棄守食安的話在農業部要嚴正立場態度要出來 |
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這個才能夠穩定住我們的農民穩定住我們國人的一個我希望這樣的事情農業部的態度要堅決而強硬的態度出來讓大家知道農業部在這一塊做了很多的一些努力對我想我們會秉持這樣的立場因為整個產業的一個推動不是中央而已地方政府一起合作的那我先問一下有這樣的狀況嗎有所謂的滅農有所謂的犧牲農民有所謂的我想絕對不會有因為 |
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我們對那如果不會有的話部長這這樣有什麼樣的作為我想第一個部分當然美國的花生現在目前進口非常少那如果說以中長期來看的時候我們應該更積極的讓我們的花生建立美國的花生量很少 |
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它如果有也是跟印度跟阿哥廷跟巴西做競爭但是台灣的我們的花生是具有相當的競爭力台灣也喜歡台灣自己的花生所以為什麼台灣花生市政力能夠達到75%就是我們台灣它有特殊的香氣跟它的一個品質這個要請部長要強力的捍衛跟強力的說明好不好不要讓混淆視聽甚至搞到後來甚至反而導致了很多一些對農民或者對於國人的一些困擾 |
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對 我想我們會更積極的去做相關的澄清跟說明那我再問一下還不只這個包括很多人講到什麼出現了這個剩餘的營建的土石方回填農地這是事實嗎這絕對不可能的事情那如果不是事實的話就應該強力澄清同時應該必要的該有的法律動作應該做對 這個我想我們已經多次的澄清我們農地部長 澄清有時候是沒有用的必須該有法律動作就要法律動作如果這樣的事實 |
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請相關的沒有去做一個回應跟呈現說那該有法律因為你要讓所有人知道說這件事情並不是事實的時候那才能夠守護住農業部守護住所有的這些權益不然大家會以為是不是發生這種事情竟然有營建的剩餘土石翻回田這沒有這樣的事嘛那沒有這樣的事就應該要更正那如果每次都做這種不是正確的一些訊息的時候那該有的法律行為就要法律處理好 了解我想我們會跟法治來討論這樣才能夠保持才能夠讓 |
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我再講一下 包括現在有一個新的也是什麼高雄爆發的 什麼高雄疑似馬鈴薯的一個中毒事件就證實是用AI製作的假訊息 左邊這個都是假的 都是AI做的就現在在25號出來 29號馬上抓到了 2萬交保 |
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像這樣的問題未來會越來越多而農業部必須要有強硬的態度跟動作該提告就提告 該作為就作為這樣才能夠遏止這樣的惡劣的行為的發生作為要的假圖 誰做出來的如果是你做的 你不要說你不知情如果你看到假圖亂傳 那你必須附上法律的行為這樣子大家才知道不要利用各種方式想要去干擾台灣的這個內部不管是農業的安全 或者是國人的食安的安全 |
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了解我想謝謝委員的提醒我們會以更強硬的手段對於這種非法的不實的這些傳聞會做必要的處理不知道我要提醒今年是選舉年這種事情只會多不會少啦我希望農業部要展現出你們該有的積極作為該立即澄清同時該有法律行動就要法律行動這樣才能遏止少數人只要百分之一百分之零點一的人做惡劣行為而政府沒有去遏止的話就會造成了百分之九十甚至九十五以上的人影響這絕對是一個重大的一個國安的危機好不好 |
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最後我請教一下台灣的農產品國際化這很重要的那我們現在都要銷往國外我想問一下我們未來有沒有其他的計畫把我們的農產品銷往我們這幾年很成功的包括到紐澳到日本到新非都很成功我們接下來這今年跟明年他們強化行銷的計畫要做我跟你講日本我們持續的會去處理特別是在芒果是一個重點日本會是我們主要的一個推動目標然後美國現在的鳳梨它已經有預告了 |
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所以五月的時候大概就會正式的開放日本的芒果 美國的鳳梨鳳梨本身其實我們已經期待非常久了而且相關的冷鏈的技術我想我們已經成熟了所以後續的不管是歐洲的歐盟部分的那個番石流的部分其實都是我們主要的一個對象那重要的是通路的建立這是我想我們今年努力的一個目標我希望加速了 走向國際化才是最好的一個方法好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝大家的委員好 部長先請回座好 下位質詢請鄭天才委員主席有請部長請農業部陳部長 |
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喂 部長好 從昨天開始大家都非常關切美國花生零關稅的這個事情部長你們什麼時候知道的所以什麼時候知道的 |
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我想我們在談判的內容裡面大概就會針對整體的農業跟不同的品項去做這些互相的一個協商在那個協商的內容在我們當初的簡報我們也提出來了就是花生的部分是零關稅但是花生在美國現在目前進口只有1%不到它主要的進口是印度阿根廷跟巴西但是我們也會關注長期的影響 |
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會提出一個完整的配套的作為什麼配套 |
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我跟你講台灣的花生有特殊的香氣台灣的品牌都是以鮮食帶殼的為主所以說配套這就是配套那配套第一個就是我們導入我們的集團栽培我們會導入我們的區域的加工就是這些乾燥的一個中心讓農民不再就是在馬路上曬這個花生殼我們會採購私甲的收購然後必要的時候我們會做這些產業的這些轉做的調整好 |
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部長經過這樣的一個協助之後花生台灣產的花生的價格會是多少?預估我想我們的目標是不希望台灣現在目前的花生的價格會降低現在的價格大概是70到80之間產地價的部分所以還是沒有解決問題所以這個部分這個 |
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聽了我早上你的答選包括昨天的我聽了還是過去我們家都是種花生的啦從小時候我也是種花生的所以這個部分聽了老半天還是沒有沒有一個解決方案希望你們多多聽起農民的聲音尤其是花生農的聲音所以當初這個 |
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提出這個因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別條例的時候那時候知道這個發生的問題嗎在那個時候還沒有還沒有好所以當初還沒有所以也這個經費預算提出來的時候也還沒有是那這個預算 |
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現在115年度了還有115年度還沒執行完畢還有116年度可不可以從這邊來因應不 我想整體的部分一定會從這裡來因應同時我們也宣布了我們要成立一個300億的農安基金那這些經費就是會針對在中長期可能必須關注的這些產業做必要而且是及時的一個協助 |
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部長所以這個部分這個一定要多聽起農民的聲音所以除了這個經費的預算還有什麼這個你剛剛講的農安基金但是一定要切合到花生 |
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農民的一個聲音種花生農民的聲音我要跟委員報告齁其實這次案的內容是讓我們有機會去重新翻轉台灣的花生產業那我們一定會跟農民在一起讓我們的台灣的花生的競爭力更具足好 加油齁我們接下來談一些這個很重要的案子齁 |
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這個野生動物保育法21條之一台灣原住民族基於傳統文化而有類不宰殺或利用野生動物之必要者不受這幾條規定的限制這裡面條文都沒有提到是在什麼地區沒有提到原住民族地區沒有提到原住民族地區但是這個所定的這個辦法裡面 |
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竟然就限制在原住民族第七年限制在原住民族第七年是錯誤的因為原住民族基本法第23條規定政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式習俗各項的一個這樣的一個權利所以沒有限制在原住民族第七這是第一個 |
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我們看這個海洋基本法海洋基本法第十條政府應建立合一機制尊重維護保存傳統用海智慧等海洋文化資產保障已傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益這裡也沒有提到原住民族第七海洋基本法第十六條規定 |
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前項法規制定修正也就是說兩年內海洋基本法施行兩年內必須要配合修正包括你的野生動物保育法包括你的執法包括你的漁業法都要配合修正沒有修正的話就要解釋可以依海洋基本法第16條規定解釋解釋 |
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一頁法第四條規定主管機要為資源管理及一頁結構調整得以公告規定阻力事項禁止限制很多人總共有九款在這樣的規定之下所以你這個一頁法或是一頁保法沒有修正之前就要依海洋基本法第十六條第二項來解釋來解釋 |
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有沒有這種案例呢 有案例啊原住民族基本法第二項也有規定要解釋 三年內沒有修 要解釋那有沒有解釋過 有針對一頁法跟延期法做了解釋不受一頁法第四條第一項公告規定之限制所以呢 這個一頁法也必須要依 |
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海洋基本法第16條的第二項來解釋不受漁業法第44條的規定的限制為什麼要去強調這個部分呢部長還有漁業署還有這個林保署現在援助民族的人口百分之五十幾啊 |
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再度會期有涉戶籍喔52%再度會期如果加上就學就業沒有涉戶籍的70%再度會期所以延期法也就訂了很久規定了政府應尊重原住民主選擇生活方式 |
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他會到渡月期這是必然的過去田臺灣本來就是原住民流動的以前翻山越嶺都會從南投信義鄉會遷移到花蓮台東從仁愛鄉會遷移到秀林鄉都會在山上都會 |
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沿海也會所以這個部分要請農業部來去依海洋基本法第16條的第二項來去解釋可以嗎 |
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回應齁 剛才委員所說的很多東西我想基本上在原住民的地池九條的部分的規範可以不受限制嘛不受漁業法的限制但是一個重點就是原委會還沒有公告相關的海域你沒有公告的話所有東西不能往下走那個部長署長完全是錯誤海洋基本法沒有規定在原住民族的傳統海域也不一樣啊 |
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傳統海域是另外啊你要公告你才能夠做後續的處理你不能說所有海洋都是屬於相關的符合相關的這個原計法裡面啊所以你一定要有公告的作為部長我現在談的是海洋基本法海洋基本法是海委會對對對所以你們要跟海洋海洋委員會啊有沒有看到 |
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沒有提到傳統海譯沒有提到傳統海譯好不好這個一定要去依海洋基本法第十條還有第十一條來去解釋謝謝好 謝謝曾經任委員 部長先回座好 先休息半分鐘 |
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好 這個練習慣例請先就座 會長盡量保持肅靜交談時候請放低音量 以免會影響到議事進行好 我們繼續該位 下一位質詢請李玉玲委員 |
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謝謝主席 請陳部長請農業部陳部長部長嚴格檢疫確保食安這是我們農業部不可推卸的責任對不對是好那要保障我們民眾的健康我們絕對不能讓任何我們的食安有模糊的空間是不是 |
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都是嘛 對不對那現在因為有新鮮的產品進口到台灣來我們必須要有嚴格的檢疫的這個規定尤其我們食安安全的規範非常的嚴格那部長也都同意了那請問一下我們這次在講馬鈴薯的部分為什麼會在這一次在美方進行關稅談判怎麼會把這個放寬馬鈴薯檢疫的標準作為談判的籌碼 |
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我要第一個跟委員澄清的是我們所有的檢疫的標準是完全沒有變更的包括衛護部的檢驗就是食安的標準也沒有認得變任而有發芽有毒的馬鈴薯是不會讓它入關進行後續的加工這是我必須澄清的然後您這邊講到的是邊境變成一顆一顆 |
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我覺得這是一個誤會因為我們現在目前如果在邊境檢查的第一階段如果看到牙體的時候如果業者願意提改善計畫他拿到指定地點那他還是在邊境檢疫的一環部長 這些你都解釋了我想請問的就是說我們的當時我們的馬尼蘇只要有發芽的是整箱整批整個會不會退出去對不對 |
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那現在為什麼不是我要跟委員報告就是我們當初訂牙體的目的是為了防止這個牙體流到田間去種植全世界沒有一個國家在檢疫的時候用牙體當標準為什麼以前是整批現在不要整批我從我們過去的檢疫的標準來看過去保管這麼嚴格為什麼現在要放棄食安放棄這個檢驗我覺得讓我把全部的 |
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觀念釐清以後 都釐清了 都講了所以我才會針對你的觀念有誤差錯誤露 披露的地方我們過去是只要有看到一個一顆馬鈴薯發芽就整櫃退運但是過去幾年來我們看到的很多馬鈴薯整櫃以後可能只有幾顆那我們覺得說用幾顆的時候我們讓業者有另外一個選擇一個貨櫃有幾箱的馬鈴薯 |
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我們一年進口了15萬噸一半以上就是美國進來的就將近7萬噸這個要講7萬噸裡面很多東西美國關稅就放鬆了以退回籌碼放棄食安第一個數字要做一些 |
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那個更正齁美國進來的7萬噸裡面只有2萬6有4萬多噸是冷凍調製的部分冷凍調製的部分是不需要做這樣的一個檢疫只有2萬6千多噸2萬6千多噸只有所以你說在冷鏈裡面的就不會發芽了 |
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冷凍的 冷凍的 還有調製過的像馬鈴薯條它這樣子不會發芽那我們就是要每一顆都要檢驗現在你放寬了你的檢驗不是百分之百的把關喔你是百分之六十的檢驗所有的檢驗那剩下的百分之四十的啊就不負責任了嗎不是不是 政務委員可能在邊境的邊境的檢查都是用抽驗的全世界都是用抽驗的我們依風險抽驗如果說它違規的話最高的抽驗是足批足貴 |
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但是平常的時候它有一定的標準所以它是一個浮動的那我們現在是以比較嚴格的標準是60%的方式去處理部長我們如果發現了60%之後的話第二關我們就會去抽檢它含有龍葵鹼的含量如果超過200ppm的話我們才退出來那 |
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他檢查了這一顆有那顆沒有你用多少的人力去檢查呢不是所以我說在抄驗的時候你如果抄到抽到的話如果有整櫃退整櫃退你抽到龍奎簡是整櫃退 |
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龍奎減超過200我們的病害是整櫃退蟲害的話是經過訓證那只有發芽就可以整櫃退了沒有因為發芽是當初是為了不讓它流到田裡種植發芽是不是含有龍奎減我想龍奎減跟發芽它有關係但是它不是說發芽就一定超標因為我們有定龍奎減的標準嘛所以有發芽的話衛福部會來抽檢如果抽檢超標的時候就整櫃退了 |
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就不會進來了就整櫃退了對所以有發芽的沒有龍葵檢沒有龍葵檢沒有超過標準的我們就允許他去做這些選別這些選別也是在編制上的一環問題這就是有披露的地方為什麼你檢驗的是這一顆他整個貨櫃有幾萬顆幾億顆的馬鈴薯 |
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你要每一棵去檢驗嗎好 剛發出苗的搞不好檢驗沒有200ppm那如果長得長一點的話就有含有更高的ppm所以你有辦法去有這個人力去把關去檢驗嗎這都是披露的地方我們在後續竹科檢驗室在指定的地點業者做選別是由業者去做竹科用 |
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用那個輸重帶 用選別機去做選別 選別完合格了以後我們才會發合格檢疫證這個時候它才會完整因為你檢疫的標準只有2%到10%而已啊非常非常的少沒有 那是衛福部 那是衛福部所以法官國人的健康 這個不能夠放棄也不能夠 絕對不會 我在這邊保證絕對不會 我們這一次的調整完全針對相關的檢疫的標準跟食安的這些標準是完全不變的 |
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所以那部長那你們說要增加人力嗎我想當然我們的邊境有各式各樣的這個人力要不要加強你們現在只有113個人夠嗎我想當然我們 |
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邊境的這些CIQS同仁的不只是我們黃金屬業務量都非常重當然在適當的時間我們如果缺人的話部長你有信心把關這個死案邊境的檢疫更加的嚴格那我請你把你們抽檢的比例來提高 |
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沒有 我們的超檢是依風險的部分所以我跟他說風險最高是逐批逐貴風險你很難管控的啦你不知道他到底有多少人會發芽了啦你需要人力一顆一顆去檢查我們相關的國際的規範不同的國家 每一個國家說每一個貨品 每一個箱子 每一件東西都來檢查這種抽菸的部分但是他如果抽菸到了以後做選別是輔科 |
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你聽我說當時你是檢查有發芽的整批退櫃所以可以用你剛剛講的標準可是你現在不是你只有抽檢60%而且你檢驗之後2%到10%非常的沒有辦法為我們的食安把關來嚴格標準所以你不能放鬆這個食安的標準好不好我如果開了一櫃它如果超標的話是 |
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那一批的所有貨櫃都去做選擇部長我們希望你要嚴格不要放棄死案一定會死案絕對不能做任何的談判籌碼絕對不會好那接下來我想跟部長談到的就是偽農藥的問題那之前我有請你們回去研議這個偽農藥的問題因為我們地方有發現偽農藥的話各地方政府發現的話各自處理但是在桃園來講機場或者港口 |
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機場港口跟我們高雄港口一樣都有發現偽農藥的數量都會非常多不會說是像各地方政府這數量少那全國能夠處理偽農藥的只有五家廠商這五家廠商一年能夠處理300公斤的偽農藥部長桃園的偽農藥1645公斤要幾年來處理 |
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所以你們 結果我們的台北官發了文叫桃園 我們地方農業局把這回農藥 再走再去哪裡 再去別的地方放而已啊結果我們的 另外我們那個邊境管理的這個房檢署也發了公文來 叫我們桃園市政府自己處理怎麼處理 全國就五家 怎麼處理而且這個經費 這個人力 |
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是不是應該中央統籌一下針對我們的機場跟港口這個境外境外來的不是台灣自己的偽農藥是境外來的我們應該統一來處理你們回去研議研議的結果怎麼樣我想基本上我們農藥茶貨的處理的地點是在所在地區的地方政府那您所提到的時候如果在邊境檢查的時候你們 |
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是建議說是由海關那邊來處理我們也曾經做了協調但是相關的這些相關的這些機關之間的進行的關係我想我們會專案會呈請縣政院這邊來開相關的協調會一個月了 |
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一個月了 相關還沒處理是 還沒有辦法去做這樣的一個很認定的因為這個東西絕對不是說誰說了算因為現在的規定就是由地方政府來處理不是 部長你現在跟你離去 你那個觀念要重新來想清楚思維要想一下 |
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我說各地方政府的話他們的數量非常少不到兩件一年不到兩件三件而且公積數非常少他都可以自己處理但是現在針對機場我現在告訴你針對機場跟港口他們的件數非常的多兩百多件他們的尾動要是幾千公斤的 |
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所以這個必須要用中央政府編列預算跟專責的人力來處理那這樣的話只是地方政府把責任推到海關而已啊這不是地方政府啊我講是機場港口境外進來的這就不是地方政府自己在裡面的偽農藥現在的規定就是說所在的地方政府那個地點所在的地方政府處理他是從外面進來還在機場啊沒有那是來源都不一樣因為所有的偽農藥都是從國外進來的啦 |
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如果國內的部分會做成假農藥也是國外進口原料的部分這沒有絕對的部長我們現在針對你回去要研議這個機場跟港口的偽農藥是境外因為它數量多跟各地方政府不一樣地方政府的話只有兩件三件數量非常幾公斤而已現在是幾千公斤的東西所以我們希望 |
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部長 這個一定要延誼 由中央政府來統籌我們會把委員的意見 跟海關做協調你要積極去延誼溝通 橫向溝通好不好 不要一直放到那邊已經一個月來放到那邊溝通不是那麼單純 就像委員所說的你們認為是海關 海關認為是地方政府就是這樣子 |
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海關怎麼是地方政府 你們全體都不清楚嗎這個境外 第一個 境外進來的第二個 機場跟港口第三個 這個必須由中央統籌因為只有五家 他一年處理三百公斤這個一兩幾千公斤的這個偽農藥沒有辦法處理你們要找出處理的辦法我了解 我們會共同努力來解決這個問題啦好 請積極好不好 不要放到那邊管好 謝謝李議員委員我站了五分鐘 |
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謝謝 請部長先回座 下一位資訊請洪裕祥委員主席好 有請農業部陳部長好 部長好 |
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這個我想剛剛早上很多委員都詢問過那因為我長期在這個關貿就是我們的這個關稅的貿易協定那我在院會也質詢好幾次我覺得這個ART的黑箱 |
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可能因為你們的人可能要去把這個整個ART裡的很詳細的這些英文的規範我相信可能這個到時候貿易代表署也可能沒有跟你們說得很清楚但是它一條一條寫在這邊除了我上次在院會講的野牛之外野牛肉不生沒有的這一塊那也去follow一下那另外的話其實這個進口的花生零關稅進口其實它也是寫在ART裡面 |
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所以加上我們那個SG的話已經那個WTO的優先防衛美的時候所以這個是變成是昨天一個很大很大的議題那當然我們大概也清楚因為整個美國花生剛剛部長也說過進口的話大概差不多1%那我們國內產的花生大概是75%左右那當然我們會說這個口味不同怎麼樣子等等但是我們的 |
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還是有很多的憂心像這個昨天新聞在這個中央社對不對他說了這個胡宗一次長ART實施可能估計影響國產花生二至三成 |
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這個我必須要先解釋一下我們胡市長講的兩到三年的前提是純粹用價格的角度看這個問題政府沒有任何支持的前提之下才會影響到農民但是我們農業部絕對不會說不做任何的作為所以我們有相關的作為去確保我們台灣的花生是能夠繼續往前走的 |
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明白啊 以前就沒有這個問題 你就不需要嘛 對不對但是現在是因為我們的ART的這樣子的黑箱的時候你才會有這件事我順便跟委員報告因為花生其實這麼多年來我們大家包括業產地也是一樣希望能夠做一些升級的改變我覺得這是一個機會所以我們會跟地方政府一起努力 |
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這個我根據農業部最近的表現我是沒什麼信心啦從這個動物用藥一直到這個寵物的美容定型化契約我昨天也才開了記者會所以我覺得你們可能是執行力去上緊發條好不好這個我的期許因為我不曉得後面還會再冒出什麼 |
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還是會有你相信我好了再不就好好把ART看一遍我想我們非常清楚的ART的一個內容剛才像剛才講的野牛的部分因為野牛不是感受性動物它雖然它是講的牛它不會受到BSE的一個傳染因為它不吃飼料所以相對的第二個我們台灣是進口肉牛不進口野牛那如果美國的境內的BSE狀況改變了我們也會做邊境的採訪 |
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這個只是提醒你是我了解 謝謝委員再來的話因為我們還是預算所以我還是把你們的整個預算看了好幾應該看了很久了好幾天以上應該算好幾週了那基本上來講的話農業部我大概我這邊是提建議啦因為我覺得有些東西是都是執行力的問題我帶過這麼多的計畫也做過這麼多計畫審查委員我覺得很多都執行力的問題 |
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第一個這幾個口號都沒問題啦智慧、韌性、永續、安心這個OK但是就是我還是關心就是這些執行力的問題那麼在我們整個支出來講的話當然增加了差不多40億左右 |
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那但是我們的農業特別收入基金這裡頭的話大概你的收入跟這個支出的話短處的話大概是差不多158.26那我們在跟預算中心立法院預算中心開會的時候其實我們農業特別收入基金是年年都是短處的 |
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那這一塊的話呢有時候有些單位他超支預算金額又並決算這個狀況還蠻嚴重的那請教部長這個地方要怎麼樣來看這件事情 |
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我第一個部分跟委員報告就是特收基金裡面一個變動最大的就是天然災害救助基金那天然災害救助基金以113年來講它只編了29億那像114年我想去年去年天然災害救助就變成85億那事實上我們只編了39億 |
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所以他這個不可預期性的部分我們就會用超支併決算或者是爭取特別預算來處理那第二個部分就是基金有個特色基金很多東西在處理食物面的部分包括農發基金、農署基金所以在整個設計的過程中當然我們會盡量 |
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去編由國戶撥補的部分不夠的時候我們就用超知病決算那我們盡量避免這樣就是說因為我覺得我們在做任何政策的時候都是靠數據所以它也不是連年氣候的變遷這個聲音現象或什麼我想農業部對不對跟環境部這些天氣的這些的控制雖然天氣很難預控但是我們現在 |
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在這些AI的模型上還是可以把這個誤差的比例稍微降到最低因為不然這個在我們企業來講這個看起來就是很奇怪對 這個我們會來努力好不好好 提醒我現在都是提醒是 我們會來努力另外的話就是在我們的預算處有很多數位AI |
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相關的東西如果看你們今天的報告的第14頁這裡頭這裡頭就包含在科技發展支出的一個編列這邊大概就已經是有增加了雖然不多但是也算多了 |
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那整個裡頭這項目有農業電子化然後的話呢也有跨領域整合型科技研發還有農業智慧化那我其中對那種比較大向因為你的電子化照道理應該之前就應該做啦不然你怎麼會有智慧化AI化那那個編的錢也不少大概差不多是 |
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3億了 比去年再增加1.75億然後你還有農業智慧化所以我想說這些名詞在我們這些念資訊的看起來就覺得非常的confuse就到底這是什麼東西 |
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而且簡單的跟委員說明電子化智慧化它有不同的層次我想你非常清楚那電子化在我們做智慧化的過程中不可能瞬間把所有的資料所有的作為全部把電子化變成智慧化好 我們電子化做幾年了我想電子化至少也超過10年以上有啦好 所以這裡頭的話我就覺得說一個假設我一個企業做電子化做了10年那我真的要拐門 |
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不過我想農業有它的複雜性那相對的在綠酸鹽冰點所以我們半導體產業不複雜 |
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我想以產品的類別來講當然它的製程非常複雜但是以農業的議題來講它是非常非常多元化的啦沒問題啦我現在都是提醒因為我非常想要貢獻我的能量在這一塊地方因為整個東西的話你的電子化出來這些數據的話因為在審計部以及我們過去歷年在看告的東西其實有很大的問題就是 |
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你們都搞一大堆的設備然後都是分區分區這樣進行上次我也質詢過了這些資料的格式怎麼去統一然後怎麼到中台對不對然後你的AI模型到底在什麼場合用什麼東西它那個是有vertical domain的這個模型然後再上去要是解決你的應用所以我不太希望看到說我裝了多少多少人用那個對我都沒有用也就是說你的KPI要重新去define |
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從一個部長的高度去說我用了這個東西我到底真的幫農民的比如說農損率節損了多少農業生產率提損了多少或者是我在整個這些不同的地區的農作物的栽種對不對或者是這些遙控就是這種土地測量的面積的精準程度 |
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這些東西的話把它變成是一個比較有效率的KPI比較目標導向一點就是我們不要是只有Output就是希望有Outcome跟有Impact也就是說因為經過我農業部科技化智慧化的努力我們台灣農民的生產力價值以及輸出這些是可以提升的這才是我們使用科技跟AI的目的所以我是希望把這整個 |
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有機會的話我也歡迎部長或誰帶起來做整個整體的BI的報告我非常認同委員所報告的就是我們的KBI必須要去檢討我也會重新檢討那特別著重在我們的Outcome跟Impact的部分 |
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那我想如果委員有時間 我也很樂意邀請您到我們的主管匯報來做一些專題報告讓我們的同仁有更好的認知你們報告啦 不要叫我報告啦你們報告我來給你建議這樣子好不好你要派功課給我個麻煩啊好 那後續還有很多預算的問題我想我們可以到預算的時候 在這邊弄因為我覺得 我為什麼非常這樣關心 因為 |
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不是 幫我主持再給我30秒就好在台灣的這個AI在發展的時候其實最有價值的一定在垂直領域而垂直領域的話我們製造業一定是一流的第二個就是我們的health care因為我們的臨床醫療第三個就別人也拿不走的就是農業 |
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我們這裡頭有很多農業的相關的不管是物種、科技、養殖這些我覺得它是一個非常好的Vertical Domain的AI我大概希望可以從這個方向來努力讓我們的農業更好照顧我們這些弱勢的農民我們非常謝謝憲安委員的建議 謝謝謝謝洪運祥委員來 部長先回座 |
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好 接下來我們請這個邱志偉委員質詢好 謝謝主席是不是請農業部陳部長請農業部陳部長漁業署署長漁業署 |
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9077.082 |
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好 今天是預算詢答 針對預算的部分 你們所提出的報告 請教農業部相關的問題從第十一十二頁開始 有相關的付表 依法律義務支出有總共有十一個私人項目 其中第九項 漁業用油補貼 每年大概是十七十八億左右 對不對對 當年十八億 那法律依據是什麼樣 |
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9079.969 |
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9104.296 |
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我們在漁業法裡面有一個相關的規範它是針對近海漁業的用油補貼嘛它有法律依據所以每年必須要編列除了近海漁業之外養殖漁業有沒有相關的補貼譬如說不見得是用油養殖漁業現在是沒有有可能是用電漁業中不管養殖漁業或近海漁業都非常重要 |
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9128.79 |
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我們協助金海漁業能夠發展所以我們用漁有補貼養殖漁業也要協助因為的確面臨到很大的所謂經營上的風險養殖的部分我們是著重在用電所以用電是不是要補貼對 養殖漁業有有沒有編列預算有編列預算 14億是法定預算嗎它沒有法律依據 但是是產業支持措施 |
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我認為你應該比照進來一月用於補貼你把這個養殖一月的用電補貼也要法制化 |
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我跟委員報告養殖用電跟其實農業動力用電是一樣的它是在相關的規範裡面我們每一年都會去補助我認為未必要提高到漁業法啦你們去研究一下不能沒有照顧照顧這個近海漁業固然是我們的責任養殖業也不能不照顧啊所以我希望說你考慮從漁業法去修訂把它這個所謂養殖漁業用電補貼 |
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9183.019 |
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能夠在漁業法如果在漁業法能夠明列讓漁民更寬心的時候我們願意這樣做來做這樣的一個修正另外這個表二公共建設支出你們總共有17項我發現到幾項養殖漁業振興計畫今年只編了500萬去年5.54億是甚麼樣的狀況 |
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9206.987 |
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這個過去我們現在都把它切到一般性的補助款那邊去那因為有一些養殖漁業的部分在因為裁判法的關係是切到地方政府去做的我們會來因為漁港的部分平東縣專案已經核定了嘛高雄市的專案還沒核定啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
9217.734 |
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9230.714 |
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跟委員報告 海洋區現在在統籌他一次還沒送上所以你現在如果有個公共建設支出你不可能說從五億一下子變成這個五百萬嘛未來如果一一六年度你們對養殖儀業振興計畫年代變多少錢 |
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還是一樣500萬啊那這個計畫就沒有了嘛各位委員包括因為養殖振興裡面很大一塊就是養殖的生產區的建設管理這一塊嘛你重新檢討這項計畫啦齁雖然財政搜索方法有做一些相關的分工但是你既然有這項計畫你就要編列足夠的預算嘛 |
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9252.764 |
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9270.586 |
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你不能說這個去年還有5.5億今年養殖醫院你從這個書帳面上來看你會覺得很為什麼差異那麼大所以我希望說整個計畫你們去做一些調整好 謝謝謝委員的提醒我想我們會再去爭取特別是有一些比較大型的建設我們用專案的方式去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
9271.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9273.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
另外第十四項拓展動物收容能量及場域優化竟然預算歸零是什麼樣的狀況呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9287.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9303.591 |
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這個部分也是我們的地方收容是屬於地方業務那因為財化法裡面的一般主部有沒有但是同樣的因為動物收容也有全國的跨區的業務所以我們都會用專門的方式來處理部長我提醒你這樣又如果預算歸零的話你這項就沒有這項計畫了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
9306.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9320.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
你的計畫就可以取消了啊是不是沒有 他變成一般性的補助款在裡面但是我們如果說中央對地方共同要去努力的部分我們就用專案計畫去處理我們現在是用這樣的方式來處理所以對於整個的業務推動那你用專案計畫你是編多少錢沒有 1.43億 |
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9347.411 |
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1.43億比上去年也少了很多所以你計畫該做調整就做調整我沒有很難想像你的預算計算重大的公共建設裡面是歸零的這個你們去做一些調整好嗎另外石斑魚我做一些建議石斑魚產銷失衡跟價格倒掛 |
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9348.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9365.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
還有需要更多大型的這個人鏈轉型跟多元市場去開拓現在整個產業 石斑產業與漁產業碰到的困境就是外銷的問題跟產能的基礙我想這個署長很清楚另外你價格倒掛問題嚴不嚴重應該是很嚴重上游產業鏈信心不夠然後國際貿易的風險因為我們的市場太集中 |
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9394.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
所以我建議你要怎麼樣把活魚供應轉向多元加工這是一個解決方案另外你有立即性的即時即刻的產能調控跟庫存的去化的機制然後你要把落實燈路廠的制度跟高品質的品牌化要把它打出來這也是一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9414.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
另外你要把這個外銷風險做一些分散不要集中在這個中國跟香港非中市場特別日本是韓國也可以努力所以我這四項建議我希望你把這四項建議加上目前的困境你們一個月提出改善計畫可以嗎可以我想謝偉偉的建議我只講一點就是說 |
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9417.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9446.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
有關於調控的部分我們希望建立一個類似農糧的滾動式倉儲的方式而不是說等價格低了才進場去做處理我用一個常態的滾動式倉儲的方式就能夠讓價格比較穩定這是只是其中一個說明後續我想會針對是四項建議所以我提出的這個四項建議是不是都很具體我覺得都非常具體我們會有一個更完善的一個規劃來跟我們報告所以我發現這個石斑魚的產業困境也是事實嘛是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9459.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
所以一個月之內 針對困境你提出的這些方案 解決方案能夠提出來然後具體去落實好 了解 謝謝委員另外你說的這個所謂公共建設支出的部分這個漁業永續經營建設發展 |
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9462.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9490.245 |
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這個部分預算是去年是有14.53億今年剩下這個11.4億這個牽涉到整個漁港建設那漁港建設牽涉到這個財化法這我也理解所以第二類漁港高雄市非常多第二類漁港變成它的建設經費要由地方政府來負擔比較多對不對過去中央有補償現在因為財化法固定所以你只能把它變成一些一般性補助款 |
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9490.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9515.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
一般性補助款你看一下你預算書第15頁預算性補助款你現在總共才多少26.37總共26.37啦齁其中餘業的部分就9億了對雖然是9億但是還是不夠跟去年跟之前財發法沒有修正制限還是不夠所以地方政府財政有限情況之下你過去需要中央政府補助的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9540.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
一提不出來相對應的財源所以很多第二類漁港的建設就停擺了所以我希望說我的問題是說這個漁港基礎建設牽涉到漁業發展也牽涉到漁民作業生命財產安全所以高雄市政府有27項針對二類漁港的這個工程跟這個漁業所申請但只是得到一般性補助才五千多萬而已 |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9567.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
五千多萬而已 五千多萬那麼多第二類漁港光是本席的選區就有12項的計畫那這個部分要怎麼處理呢我希望說用你們之前所提到的用高雄市漁港建設的專案計畫提報到這個所謂行政院用這個部分來補貼過去用一般性補助款不足的地方我想謝謝委員 |
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9567.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9583.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
因為現在因為惡劣漁港是地方政府的權責但是我們又擔心地方政府經費不夠的時候有沒有我們的補助比例下降的時候他也沒辦法去做所以我們有另外一個配套就是說我們會提特專案的計畫去爭取相關的經費來做額外的支持 |
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9584.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
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所以這個部分這個漁業發展這個對於高雄市自觀中央特別對我選區我有這個人把我選區所有惡力漁港把它建設好確保漁民的作業安全所以高雄市政府跟屏東縣政府同樣都有漁港建設專案計畫對不對是屏東好像比較快一點 |
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他走得比較快高雄市因為他的可能各項的漁港性質比較比屏東縣還多這部分我拜託署長是不是能夠跟高雄市海洋局跟相關的單位有一個聯繫的匯報跟窗口那我也來跟你們一起來努力 |
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好 可以 我們可以啟動一個就是專案的聯繫的窗口然後看看說那些計畫裡面該怎麼去掩提該怎麼去設計這個黃色的項目全部都是我的選區這個我選區我每天都去看大家都跟我反映我當然也沒有 我有這個責任把這些漁港經費整理下來確保我選區漁民作業安全但是錢沒有到位這個永遠沒辦法執行 |
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所以我拜託這個是不是就署長 您親自帶隊或是指派一個副署長跟高雄市政府 海灣局對接把這個專案計畫趕快用最快速度 最好的效力把它報佈 核定之後這些二零一港建設經費才有著落 |
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好 委員絕對沒問題我們會跟海洋局局長來密切的來聯繫這個時間是我指定的6加2雖然我對其他委員很放鬆但是我要言語律己適應到了我就必須所以有很多議題啦做主席一定要言語律己我可以給你啦 多一點這不能轉讓好 我們謝謝邱志偉委員 |
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接下來我們請鄭振全委員謝謝主席我想請一下農業部陳俊濟陳部長請農業部陳部長 |
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部長好因為今天我們在省農業部的預算詢答農業部今年在農業管理跟動物保護管理計畫下面有一個新政計畫就叫做建置寵物食品管理及產業輔導計畫它是一個四年期的計畫那麼跨年度總經費是7.5億左右那麼今年度編列的是大概6900萬我想請問一下這個新興 |
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的跨年度計劃是什麼時候核定的1月份行政院在今年1月份1月份就核定是不是1月份授權到我們農業部這邊我們2月核定OK 2月核定好那我在想說因為這個計劃當中的時候就是所以我們是在3月份的時候把這個跨年度的預算把它編列出來 |
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就是114年3月版有這個版就是寵物食品管理的計畫那這個計畫當中的時候因為3月這個版的時候呢今年度的預算是1.8億那我們今年實際編列是6900億我不知道為什麼會差距這個狀態那我想請問一下就是我們現在的一個跨年度的年度經費分配表出來了沒 |
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八萬委員那個目前的那個分配表按照那個忠誠計劃的那個分年期是有分配出來的分配出來的什麼因為我們區要一直都要不到我們只看到了一個一百就是三月份的這個預算表然後這預算表當中今年是1.8億那我就不曉得說差距的這個這麼多的錢是壓縮在後面三年裡面就是等一下結束之後馬上把這個分配表送到我們辦公室來 |
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因為我們之前在要一直要不到那看到的狀態就是一個錯誤的一個情況那我想特別請教一個狀態因為我們會特別問這個點是因為這個計畫裡面基本上在講的都是跟整個寵物食品管理規範辦法有關政策宣導還有建立寵物食品養殖等等相關的部分那這個部分裡面都規範在我們的寵物食品管理法裡面我想請教一下寵物食品管理法 |
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目前進度怎麼樣子因為在立法院一直沒有看到這個法出來那我們現在法還沒有出來然後計劃已經在往下走了預算已經編列了可不可以請部長做一個簡單的一個回應我先跟委員報告從使命管理法的部分已經送到行政院現在正在審查完畢那審查完畢經過政委這邊再次確認以後就會進到院會 院會完畢你預計什麼時候會進來 |
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我想我們因為進到行政院的那個流程因為有同時很多法案在行政院排隊所以我們會去請求行政院這邊能夠盡快的把已經完成審查的法案那也會表達我們經濟委員會的委員的關切能夠盡快的送到院會以後送到立法院來 |
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OK我想說這個部分一定要加快速度我在想說現在毛小孩的家庭非常的多那既然我們有寵物食品管理法要訂已經前年就已經開始公告了到現在都還沒有送到立法院裡面來所以我們也很擔心因為很多相關的名團統計我們寵物食品管理法下面會衍生出來的執法規跟相關的辦法 |
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可能會高達25項20多項對 這個部分請教部長我們這20幾項的一個相關的執法跟辦法大概會需要多久的時間才能夠把它給完善起來我們現在當我們把這個法送到行政院的時候其實我們的執法規也同步在規劃在做那通常是在整個的法案如果進到立法院審查的時候那相關的這執法規我們希望在半年之內都能夠把它完成 |
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這半年之內可以完成是不是就是送到立法院也好因為立法院審查的時間也不見得馬上就可以審理解 就是說立法院這邊通過寵物食品管理法之後半年之內就可以把所有的執法全部都完成了那我們把這速度稍微把它給精準加快一下也趕快把寵物食品管理法送到立法院裡面來因為我覺得如果說這個法都還沒有過可是我們這個 |
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跨四年度的一個計畫都已經便利預算要往下走了我覺得在整個事法性來說也會有一些問題我也跟委員報告現在的犬貓的已經登記的已經有320萬表示說這個毛小孩的氏族非常多那寵物市面表 |
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更顯現它的重要性所以我想我們會用這樣的理由也請行政院能夠儘速的通過院會送到立法院來然後到時候也請我們立法院這邊委員會這邊能夠支持這樣的一個法案盡快的讓它三讀通過OK 請盡快因為本席也非常關注整個毛小孩相關的一些配套的一個法規的問題好 |
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那我想說接下來請教一個問題這紅火椅的部分我想請教部長你這紅火椅其實有一個南北防線你知道嗎北防線跟南防線在哪裡你知道嗎北在桃園嘛是不是北防線是在桃園北防線在淡水河啦新北的淡水河南防線在哪裡苗栗不對吧 |
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不對喔南防線在新竹這邊的頭前溪當時的南北防線是這麼定下來的所以當時有南北防線所以南北防線這邊是要紅火力的範圍不要擴大到主要的農業區裡面那基本上 |
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主要在逃逐這個部分那我想請教一下因為我發現一個很特殊的狀態就是我們這有連續四年的一個紅火以全面防除計畫裡面預算數逐年降低 |
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今年送進來的又更低可是決算數的時候呢逐年攀高但我想請教一下114年的決算數大概是多少可請部長簡單回答一下您這邊有寫啊這是直到8月底 |
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這個我可能要再查證一下OK沒問題喔因為只到8月底所以我們可以預測整個決算數肯定會持續攀高可不可以請部長簡單回答一下為什麼預算逐年降低可是決算逐年攀高是不是表示我們紅火椅的問題已經被全面解決了 |
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不過我想跟委員去說明一下就是說當我們遇到紅火雨的時候那我們跟地方政府一直在合作那如果說他需要更積極的去處理的時候那我們的預算就會去用其他的方式去支持啦所以到最後就會決算出更多他們表示說 |
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那個紅火雨越來越多啦反而是我們更積極的去防治這個流用的問題我覺得沒有問題我覺得我比較關心的是因為預算數逐年降低啦是表示紅火雨這個問題基本上被全面解決了還是說它越來越不重要因為我們看到它的情況事實上我們當時的南北防線南防線已經清楚突破啦新竹市本來不在這個在駝前溪以南現在新竹市裡面 |
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也很多的一個紅蘿蟻的問題而且紅蘿蟻整個蔓延到了苗栗所以很清楚的紅蘿蟻的南北防線已經全部都被突破可是問預算還是持續的逐年下降我對這裡面的邏輯不是很清楚可不可以請部長做個說明我簡單的說以這樣來看的話它預算大概是兩千多萬到兩千八百多萬那以這樣的一個幾百萬的額度通常是在預算最後統三的時候去被刪除的部分 |
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但是相關的因為統三預算有刪除但是執行需要的話我們就用想辦法用其他的經費來協助連這部分都沒有問題所以本期這邊所以你說這個預算數逐年降低是因為統三的關係可能是統三因為都幾百萬嘛差幾百萬通常是統三的關係啦 |
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針對紅和乙的部分尤其在新竹市的地方我們看到新竹市的情況還是持續的一個狀態並沒有真正很明顯的一個改善那請之後的時候給本席針對新竹市紅和乙的相關的一個範圍還有整個處置的一個狀態給本席一個簡單的一個書面資料我最後這邊剩下再多給我一兩分鐘的時候我特別要講一下有關於馬鈴薯的問題 |
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因為很多人都關心馬鈴薯這件事情那我只是比較特別一點是因為我看到了一個我們馬鈴薯這個部分我們之前有一個食品 |
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食用馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件是在107年就公佈了對不對然後我們現在多了一個美國產加工用馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件是在115年2月6號通過嘛那在當中的時候很清楚的狀態把那個有發芽的馬鈴薯這條件把它給去除掉因為本來是不能夠進口現在把它給排除掉了對不對最主要變化在這個地方 |
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應該這麼講喔過去的食用馬鈴薯其實它是分為先食跟加工它是沒有分開的那其實在過去的一兩年之間其實我們跟美方就這個議題其實已經談了兩三年之久了那美國一直希望能夠比照日本日本是允許加工用馬鈴薯直接進來那以台灣來講我們有增加我理解這個狀態 |
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我只是特別想要特別去講到一個點就是說因為這個我們在馬鈴薯這事情的一個讓步當中的時候我覺得時間點就是感覺很特殊因為1月16號的時候正義軍赴美簽MOU那麼我們1月21號農業部就公告了可是原本我們一般公告會有60天我們在這個事情公告只有14天然後2月6號就公告完成然後2月13號就簽約我覺得這個部分 |
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我想特別強調一個點就是說農業部對於我們台灣農業的一個保護跟把關一定要盡力啦那除了這個部分因為它還牽涉到食安的問題那包括我們最近在講的花生的問題我們都希望農業部這邊對於台灣的農產品能夠盡力的去保護不要很輕而易舉的就把它犧牲掉 |
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好不好我想這是農業部的責任然後針對馬鈴薯的部分我再次強調我們的檢疫條件檢疫的標準沒有變那相關的食安衛護部的這些檢驗的標準也沒有變只是在程序上面我們做了一些調整部長當國門這邊已經退守的時候你把所有的責任檢疫的相關的量能跟壓力全部都往後端 |
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去地方上去送的時候我覺得這量能是有問題的我們之後再另外再找你們到辦公室這邊來做溝通這件事情主席已經站起來很久了謝謝站到腳就酸了謝謝曾志全委員 部長請回座好 下一位質詢請賴世保委員 |
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有關於花生的零關稅為什麼這個新聞最近才出來當初行政院跟立法院報告ART的時候都沒講 |
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我跟你們報告我們在公告的時候我們當初開記者會的時候就已經有提到零關稅的部分這個是有提到的零關稅 花是還有部分的補治品那為什麼鄧俊才講這個題目呢 |
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我也不清楚為什麼最近突然被特定的一些媒體去報導這樣的問題不是特定的啦 因為大家要關心說按照偷刀雖然美國這占1%但是不要忘了配額內它是25%的關稅配額外每公斤64塊這個東西難怪雲林縣它最大化身產地它這個縣長大家起來放炮啊那我現在 |
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就問你 你知不知道世貿組織叫WTO是允許各國進行農業的保護而且允許不扭曲的貿易或者對貿易扭曲的一些措施這裡面有綠鄉的政策有藍鄉的政策等等的 就是 |
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你知不知道這個事我了解這個所謂的農業可以保護啊我們可以部分的項目我們可以允許所謂的關稅內的配額TRQ的部分也可以啟動就是特別關稅特別防禦SSG的部分這個我了解 非常了解那為什麼廁所呢為什麼花式去把它廁所掉呢不過我想老實講世界各國對農產品幾乎都很少零關稅的啦 |
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怎麼會這麼大方就零關稅我想大部分我想委員是一個非常明理的委員我們零關稅不一定說就不好有一些產品是當作我們的原料的部分零關稅反而是對我們有幫助像黃豆玉米小麥零關稅不是我剛剛說零關稅你剛剛說零關稅嘛因為我時間有限我問你 |
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你對這個花生零關稅已經雲林縣這樣大聲疾呼你到底有什麼因應的措施啦我想我們的產業的部分我剛才說的我們不會放任你有沒有來問你喔你有沒有編預算對於這些零關稅的農產品保護有沒有對 農安基金300億就是在處理這些我們必須長期關切對產業影響的這些而且我們要讓這個產業做生意張俊雄你知道這個人吧 |
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張俊雄以前的行政院長談到說為了因為台灣要加入WTO就拚了一千億因應 |
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市貿 加入市貿所產生的特別是農業方面的這種補助基金就變成一千億啦你現在在講三百億那是變一千億啦在當時的WTO農業的這些競爭力跟現在的競爭力是不可同日而語我們也會積極的去跟產業協調這個你好好面對這個問題啦這個大家現在對這個很感冒我想我們一起來領利我跟議員政府發芽的馬鈴薯啊你現在是交給 |
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檢驗一顆一顆檢驗是交給個別工廠加工廠目前加工廠只有兩家耶然後你針對這個要組科檢驗誰來確定他可以做到組科檢驗 |
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我跟委員報告第一個部分齁這個加工廠並不是只有兩家這個就是說其實我們我們看到發芽但是他還是農會檢沒有鈔票喔鈔票也是一律退櫃喔我先問你啦你怎麼確定他們有沒有驗啊沒有在 |
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沒有你怎麼確定這家紅茶不管幾家啦對你怎麼確定他有檢驗因為我們的 我們是整櫃封簽運到指定的地點以後由檢疫人員督導之下開櫃然後他們做就是輸用帶的自動選別選別完合格的我們才發檢疫合格證他的正式的入關喔所以這個過程都還在邊境檢疫第三個 最後一個小問題 |
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OUT的3.3條第4段他要加速MIL就是溶液殘留的容量 |
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簡單來講就是幫美國的藥商 如孟山都 丹拜爾 量身訂造的打造刀的人來講我老婆 你可以跟我們講一下台灣被迫用美國的標準 USDA 或者是 FDA不過我想這是不正確的訊息 第一個齁這個我要從你旁邊講的是食藥組在訂 第二個部位在討論 |
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MIL是食藥組在訂的第二個就是說農藥殘留標準是跟我們的實用的攝取量是有關係的就是ADI整個的ADI的概念它跟不同的國家都不一樣所以我們是參考國際標準但是我們也會參考我們的實用的一個習慣好 謝謝賴世寶來 部長先回座下一位那位員那位員那位員在齁 |
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好 那位委員在 好 請那位委員質詢好 謝謝主席 有請部長 農會署署長農會署署長 薛牧師市長 |
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好 三位好 首先先跟部長致謝我想對於台南農業的一個基礎那個建設完善的一個灌溉系統它其實是會穩定我們的農業生產 |
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那強化怎麼樣強化其實我想有很多的功課3月19號就是農水署署長跟本席到後壁後壁是生產稻米最好的一個地方那就是說我們本壁三條水路很大條的水路 |
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一致把它完成 也非常謝謝可是當台南是全國重要的農業大市 農漁牧業的一個就業人口超過五萬四千人的時候那在這裡我要特別跟部長做一個拜託 你看到圖表上最右邊這個這樣的一個基礎建設 灌溉的基礎建設 其實 |
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比比皆是在我們的農業區裡頭我們隨時都可以看到就是說這個投資的一個不足區域發展的一個不均還有資源分配的一個落差其實他需要整體性的一個盤點跟系統性的一個規劃在這裡拜託部長跟署長是不是可以針對著就是前台南因為在台南裡頭我們的北門相對的也跟就是我們的那個 |
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市委總召講到的就是我們的二級的一個漁港其實也沒有辦法也是停擺下來這這麼多的一個農業上的一個需要的時候我們需要穩定的一個灌溉水源所以我希望可以就是做一個全面性的盤點還有系統上的一個規劃 部長 |
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謝謝委員長期一直對我們臺灣農業的基礎建設做一些事前的先勘察以後來跟我們建議那我跟委員報告兩件事情第一件事情就是我們整個農水路在今年度編了221億比去年度就增加了43億 |
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那這樣的43億是我們跟縣這邊特別去爭取的就是整個農業的基礎設施特別是農水路的部分應該要更積極的去做這樣才能夠讓我們的農民在農業經營的過程中要有水 |
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有水有路才會有農產品 非常感謝然後針對畜牧師應該升格為畜牧署的進度我們從3月18號3月25號我分別質詢就是人事總長還有農業部長 |
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其實你們兩方都大力的支持畜牧師變成升格為畜牧署可是一個月過去了我們看到了就是說34名的一個同仁要面臨到這麼大的一個工作壓力你看去年丹納斯颱風的一個分配款就是我們的補助款其實已經下來了可是還是有很多很多的一個 |
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畜牧場他沒有拿到經費那該怎麼辦啊因為產業輔導的不足然後災害應變慢嘛因為他人不夠嘛那更不要談到產銷調節的困難那我們希望就是說畜牧師身為畜牧署在未來的畜牧署他必須跟中央畜產會的一個權責要非常明確你做的做到要死有的贏 贏到要死 |
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當然我不是說中央續產會很硬的啦所以我也有一點暗示 暗示一下所以部長在這裡還特別跟部長在講到非洲豬瘟對於這個養豬產業在疫後的一個檢討我們分三個階段來檢討 一個是疫情 一個是疫中 防疫的疫中 一個是疫後疫情我覺得我們做到 |
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我們都非常清楚啦 在這個 |
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貴州豬瘟的疫中的一個階段野生動物還有運輸還有處理還有處理系統的一個漏洞那針對的這個運輸因為他傳播路線嘛傳播路線造成很多的一個感染是不是有辦法就是說小型的豬場我們來做這個化製廠化製廠生物處理機對我們可以比照日本比照日本的一個補助的一個方式我會再那個再跟 |
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部長做一個比較深入的一個 周議員我們同意我們也鼓勵就是病史住不要運到用車子運很久 延誤傳播這個還要再跟環境部做共同的探討不是只有農業部的事情我想我們的經費要多補貼的那個面向要廣再一次謝謝部長跟各位 謝謝好 謝謝大會委員非常精闢深入這個非常優質的質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 請農業部陳部長好 部長 我們有關於27日 |
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11116.486 |
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現在一一的浮上檯面真的是一波未平一波又起馬鈴薯的爭議還在現在大家關心的是有關於我們對美國進口花生零關稅請問一下部長我們對美國進口花生零關稅什麼時候會生效 |
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11124.469 |
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11141.514 |
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我想目前ART內容雖然是談定了但是ART本身的文本本身的法律的依據那現在美方正在做法律框架的調整所以還沒有生效然後就算他簽署以後也要送到立法院這邊來做查核審查的 |
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但是比如像馬鈴薯的部分是在2月6號就開始生效2月6號因為你們有新的公告那所以我們就是花生進口零關稅目前還不確定生效時間是嗎 |
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花生是現在目前還沒有確定因為現在沒有生效沒有生效我們就不會資金但是馬鈴薯的部分我們是在過去兩三年就一直在談論這個議題所以我們在這個議題所以馬鈴薯生效了馬鈴薯的那個加工用的馬鈴薯是已經生效了公告生效了那我想請問一下那個部長如果你今天賣一個比如賣一碗滷肉飯 |
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你隔壁它的價格就是比你一半還要低請問一下會不會影響你的價格會不會影響你的生意我想價格是所有的我們購買意願的一個因素之一可是因為價格差 |
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這麼多因為現在美國的花生的價格大概是我們台灣本土花生的四成而已還不是一半那另外你們當然對外說法說我們並不是只有就是跟美國進口我們還有跟其他國家進口譬如說阿根廷阿根廷巴西 |
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那我想請問阿根廷跟巴西距離很近我們都會擔心比如說擔心中國大陸的產品在台灣席產地那請問一下如果說今天我們只對美國的花生零關稅而且以阿根廷他們在台灣的價格 |
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所以其實有些比台灣本土花生高有些比台灣本土花生低基本上他們的價格沒有跟台灣花生價格差那麼多好所以請問一下那未來會不會發生就是南美洲阿根廷巴西那他要進口到台灣也到美國去洗產地呀因為他這個關稅差太多了他可以享受零關稅所以未來我們花 |
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我們的台灣的花生的對手不僅僅只是美國花生還會包括阿根廷花生跟巴西花生會不會不過我想您剛才提到的西展地美國本身就是一個花生的輸出大國那印度也是那印度要拉到美國去西展地我剛剛特別沒有講印度嘛印度太遠了啦 |
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跟其實一樣因為美國是一個一個輸出的大國他應該不會允許因為美國不是我們能夠觸及的但是以集產地的的機會來講是不大可能因為六月份第一期的這個花生他就要收成那現在我們這個政策一定會影響到他們那我們現在都聽台灣親台灣我們能不能來聽一下 |
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我們台灣的花生農 挺台灣的花生未來我們也做產地的標示比如說花生醬啦 或者是一些花生糖餅乾等等也標示這個花生的產地從何而來讓我們一起來挺台灣的花生可不可以 |
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謝謝委員這就是我們要去做的就是我們國產花生也有我們的特色所以產地的標示跟我們相關的品牌的推動這是我們首要要去做的所以可以標示產地那請問馬鈴薯可不可以 |
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不過馬鈴薯本身在食品的加工裡面它應該有原料那我不知道它是不是有經過時事轉型嘛我們馬鈴薯尤其我們的薯片這種零食薯片這個如果經過時事轉型的話它就可以改標台灣但是我想這個議題我們也會跟食藥組談好 |
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所以我希望不管是花生不管是馬鈴薯未來能夠標示產地第一個挺台灣的花生第二個保障我們消費者食安的選擇這兩大目標部長同意嗎這個同意而且我們一定會往這個方向去做 |
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起碼要這樣做啦但是對於我們花生農的影響像茶葉有沒有我們現在你只有百分之百台灣茶葉才能標台灣茶你不能用混的也不行這個就是我們過去的努力我想我們一定會努力讓台灣的花生真正的回到我們消費的第一選擇 |
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對 沒有錯 不要因為這個價格而造成他們整個的這個生意的影響你今天轉型或者是要集團化對很多花生農來講 一時半刻他沒有辦法所以我才會說我們要用價值去取代價格的戰爭好 謝謝謝謝黃衛委員 來 部長先回座我們中途沒有休息議員等開會時間到議程處理結束 |
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11460.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
消費資源委員請黃建斌謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長請農業部陳部長 |
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大家好 部長我們今天是審查115年度的預算然後想要替台東的農業來發聲我們台東其實沒有缺民宅我們也不缺創意缺的就是中央業務會多給一些支持多幫我們地方開路那今天我有兩個重點要來請教部長大家說的台東等一下選擇的大概就是稻米然後不然就是釋迦其實台東還有很多有潛力的產業那部長你有沒有吃過台東成功跟長濱的白蝦 |
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白蝦是不是應該有對 因為台中其實各個地方的品質很好成功 特別是成功的很棒很棒嘛 它是不是可以生吃嘛它的品質是到的嘛純海水的啊是 海水那我們台灣一年白蝦的需求量大概是六萬公噸六萬噸那國產 但國產只佔了18%的代表說我們將近八成八成是靠進口那代表我們市場需求性很大是那也代表國內的這個白蝦有很大的成長的空間那 |
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台灣以前曾經是這個草蝦大國那後來因為整個產業外移技術也流失人才也斷層慢慢沒落那如果我們要重新再把產業做起來就是要找有條件的最有條件的地方我相信台中就是最好的選擇所以我先面供應白蝦的養殖需要就是 |
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好的乾淨的水質還有乾淨的環境那台東南北176公里的這個環境自然環境好然後污染也少這是最大的優勢那這樣我們在地養殖可以直接上市那行動一定比進口還要好 |
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所以這邊我要跟部長提出一個具體的計畫協助我們業者來取得國際的認證跟產地的產銷的履歷推動我們整個產業的升級讓我們朝著這個精緻化、系統化跟價值化來發展逐步提高我們國產白蝦的供應量讓台東也可以成為台灣白蝦的東部兩質基地柏定這敢做得到嗎 |
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應該做得到 我先跟委員報告我們白蝦的部分 我們國產的大概9000噸進口的2萬6000噸左右表示說這個產業其實是可以更加的擴大那我們怎麼樣讓台灣的台灣產的白蝦跟進口的區分我覺得您剛才說的產交履歷也好或品牌的效益也好是一個非常好的切入點那我也知道台東地區有非常多的青農 |
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他們針對白蝦都做自己的品牌所以我想我們已經在針對台東地區的這些農產品應該有一個特殊的一些品牌的一個行銷因為它畢竟跟西部不一樣了我舉另外一個例子除了應該要做的成交履歷我覺得碳足跡有沒有像那個碳標籤能夠讓這個品牌加持著這些作為我想我們都已經在設計規劃 |
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好 謝謝部長那第二個我就要再請教部長就是其實台東還有另外一個新興的產業其實也很有潛力就是白玉蝸牛白玉蝸牛它的肉質細緻然後高蛋白低脂肪也沒有腥味然後它又 |
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富含多種的氨基酸它常常被運用在法式料理跟這個高端的食材裡面那我們台東現在藏冰箱現在已經有養殖基地它的技術跟它的加工也都慢慢的成熟其實很有機會發展成地方的特色產業這樣也能夠吸引更多年輕人返鄉但是現在虐待最大的問題是它不是不努力它是遇到制度上的問題白衣光暖現在不算農業它又不算養殖業它主管單位不明 |
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那業者想要申請補助跟輔導都不知道要找誰那更麻煩的是因為制度卡住他連最基本的這個產地證明他都開不出來那產品未來要推廣要發展要進行市場他都處處碰壁所以我這邊有三點的這個訴求第一個就是我們農業部趕快釐清白玉蝸牛他到底是誰來管 |
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不要讓業者成為制度下的孤兒啦那第二個就是說我們將會有這個規模的養殖業納入管理然後提供他該有的輔導跟資源第三就是我們跨部會的來協調優先來解決產地的這個證明的問題然後我們讓他可以合法的上市讓地方的特色產品能夠順利的進入市場部長我們不要讓制度拖垮 |
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地方的努力也重視這兩個新興重要產業主動來協助來輔導讓這些產業可以真正落實可以落地生根以上問題部長可不可以簡單說明不過我想白玉蝸牛我比較保留因為講到白玉蝸牛我就想到福壽螺就是當初也是為了食用然後當你的市場的需求沒有的時候那個蝸牛是往水溝一倒 |
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造成了很多現在的危害所以我會了解去更深入的了解這個白玉蝸牛本身的一個真正的一些用途跟它的後面的這些管理我不希望它又變成一個輕易的變成農業變成一個另外一個扶壽螺 |
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那不然他除了飲食以外他還可以從事生氣的產業的發展當初福作樓引進的時候也是這麼講啊大家很喜歡吃啊然後進了很多然後他也可以做很多產生的啊我們現在協助在地業者現在目前問到的困難就是他到底是歸誰管這樣子我覺得如果他不適合養我們應該輔導他他不要養啊如果他是對於我們的環境或生產環境有風險的時候我們應該有另外一個方式來處理我想我會請農糧署這邊 |
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去瞭解啦 因為也不是他的啦是 就是現在都沒有單位可以管嘛他不是農業 也不是帳目嘛 對不對對那我們現在先趕快釐清這個問題啦好不好我請那個跨部會 跨單位一起去看好 部長再請這些問題 將之後結果跟北京辦事會來報告好不好好 瞭解好好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席感謝謝謝黃建民委員 部長先回座下一位質詢 蔡育委員來了嗎 |
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好有請蔡議員質詢謝謝主席那我們就有請部長農業部陳部長也請這個林保署署長那個水保署也請陳部長水保署署長 |
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部長那我想要跟部長討論一下現在這個整個大阿里山區包括阿里山大包 環樓他們這裡的社區這裡的這個較高族就是我們說的九格順這個九格順不知道是到底是他的年限就是說他的肺素高還是說他這裡真的是得到傳染病 |
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我們不知道的一個原因他是全面的死亡死亡的喔可以說他只要那一區你如果看到有教高族枯黃的就是整個沙灘有沒有全軍覆沒所以部長這個要正式一個問題就是說第一個農民的生計過去靠教高族來維持生計的他們現在是沒得到好菜所以現在九格村的介紹標到一個新高點 |
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那第二個是說過去山林就是靠這一些竹林的九格遜在維持山林的一個水土保持的一個太陽那現在他都枯黃了未來他這裡就大了大了之後又很容易發生山上的火警 |
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那我們現在到底有沒有一個對策要來面對這些較高族我們可以讓他復育那還是有怎樣的一些對策來面對這個較高族可以說大量死亡的狀態嗎 |
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我想報告 加高竹本薪依我們的專家來判斷第一個就是可能是他並沒有定期的去更新竹子他也要更新不能說種了以後就一直讓它長那另外一個部分是乾旱 |
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那我們現在正在規劃一個應該可以已經快完成了就是說我們希望有系統的去輔導他重新去種植新的竹苗但是竹苗到養成之前有沒有他沒有收穫嘛然後他我們可以用照領獎勵的方式來協助他度過這因為六年六十萬嘛就是來協助他能夠做後續等他能夠真正的能夠量成的時候才做相關的處理 |
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這件事牽扯到好多問題,因為山林有很多,你現在就是說種植竹苗,但是你也知道竹苗會被什麼吃掉?膏,刷滴,所以種不起來所以說這個竹苗你現在也沒有辦法去有效的去種植那這個較高竹目前看起來是整片的一個枯黃,那你說可能又有乾旱的狀況 |
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那最近我也有拜託可能林務署跟農糧署可能也要到現場去會堪一下這個乾旱造成的損失有沒有到達天然災害的一個標準這個是延伸的問題啦但是我們知道這個較高族咧他就是說你現在要去打財新的啊如果財新的這個事情有效這樣是不是要怎麼去做啊我就系統化的去做因為因為普通你知道這五千公頃 |
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所以要分區包括竹苗的來源所以這個部分我想我們會成立一個比較專案的小組去做你要去更新的話要系統性的去更新然後怎麼樣分區分段的部分然後怎麼樣防止這些沙堤 高岩去吞 |
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所以這個部分我想不是一個單一的說我們有一個獎勵措施就結束了應該更有一個完整的一個輔導措施對我想部長可能這個涉及可能好幾檔因為這個涉及到不管是林保署或者是水保署那整個山區對不對你如果想那是整片過去看到一片綠油油的就是竹林現在竹林你如果看一年四季全部都是黃色的就是乾了 |
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這件事我覺得它未來會產生更多問題出來委員講的都是農業部的人比較好處理我們怕的是跨部會就比較還要協商農業部的部分相對單純那部長可能就整合一下我們現在農業部的資源應該要好好面對這個我們也會跟在地的居民去做討論他們的想法也非常重要他們的意願也非常重要 |
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好 我們那邊竹農很多啦他們大家都很憂心這個問題所以這個真是麻煩部長那第二個啦 就是想跟部長來討論事實上日本政府對於這個野生動物的一個危害危害我們的農作是有很多數據來分析的 |
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那我們台灣當然也有嘗試要去做只是說看起來因為我們目前沒有把所謂的野生動物造成的農作的損害把它視為天然災害的一環所以過去長這段時間來這相關的數據沒有被系統化的建構那沒有被系統化的建構咧 |
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當我們面對農民在跟我們陳情在跟我們反映這些野生動物造成他的農林損害的時候我們沒辦法接下來跟他對話我們也沒辦法很感同身受的去面對去處理他們的問題所以部長是不是這部分我們應該要來加緊來建構類似這樣的一個數據的一個建立我想數據建立是一件事情我們會去做我在思考就是說 |
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包括喉害的部分越來越嚴重那這個部分我們要怎麼樣徹底的去做一些預防的動作這個是我在思考的那另外就是說如果說我們農作物遇到這種喉害的部分那你要把它納入天然災害 |
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會還要討論因為它是個案不是區域性的但是有沒有可能用政策性的我講的是政策性的保險來處理這些不是普遍性區域性的這種個案的方式我想我會請農金署來做一個評估如果喉害是屬於比較個案那還有一種是病蟲害病蟲害看起來就會我也同時我也跟委員報告我也同時在考慮就是說 |
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極端天候影響的不只是植物本體或者是它的產量更影響了病床害的整個的一個一個cycle它的循環的cycle那如果說它的發生已經超乎農民的預期的時候那可能會有一整區都會有病害所以我們就我們地方的經驗像 |
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像咱家的奶雞有時候他會釣到種的這個荔枝春象這個好像也不是說一兩個農民耶所以春象啊產卵然後抱多的話差不多是整個鄉都是這樣 |
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對 我了解 所以我再請我們的同仁再評估就是說這種病蟲案不是個案的病蟲案是有區域性跟普遍性的時候那表示說農民針對這個異常的天然災害是沒有辦法及時的因應啊我們看看用什麼方式來做這樣的一個天然災害的一個救助處理好 這樣回來我們海口齁真的 我們抱在魚缸齁 這個輸菌的問題齁所以這個可能要請醫院署 |
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我們每一年都在做布袋漁港的一個輸進尤其是在北堤的這邊北堤跟南堤每一年事實上都有編預算但是可以看一下影片的一個播放事實上這個輸進的話 |
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你看這些淤積,這是在港內,在港內,不是外面港水家,這是我們布袋的第三漁港港水家就是淤積都直接跑到港嘴,所以跑到港嘴代表什麼意思 |
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現在沒辦法出港了,出港就有困難了以前是說美里要港裡面,然後出港外面會遇到風險比較多現在既然這個海沙已經淤積到了整個漁港都沒辦法出港了 |
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那每年也有來做這樣的一個清漁那我想要跟部長是說事實上我們有跟漁業署多次的來說事實上地球這個地方因為它是面對外山頂周的難移這個是整個大自然不可逆的一個現象所以基本上你要 |
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保護第三漁港是要做一個海外堤把南漁的這個沙阻擋在海外堤之外那這個崗水的所在至少可以避免淤積不斷的產生每年都要花一兩千萬來做這裡清淤所以是不是可以把這個海外堤把它建構起來呢來 |
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威廉報告我覺得漁港的這些預計過往的做法都是說先調查水深然後再設計發包那你補下去可能幾六個月以後那預計越深所以我是覺得第一個就是說我們整個輸進的流程裡面應該要簡化用開口合約的方式然後有的就馬上處理這比較快我覺得比較快用一個開口合約給他有需要就去處理 |
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然後相對比較中長期的話用水溝模型的方式去處理看看去評估哪一個地方是長年更連續的淤積那那個地方要用什麼方式來處理我們有去現場開過會 |
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阿署長也有建議說先用一些軟結構去看他的這個軟結構有沒有辦法產生效果阿近年我們有這個想法我是想說看可以比較快下去是嗎阿近年會一直在處理阿不然你事實上你每年都在面對重複再重複的問題我每年大概都編了大概一千多萬是阿是阿每年都在重複這個問題我覺得我們應該要進一步去思考怎樣才是可以根治的一個方法好不好好謝謝委員的建議好謝謝部長好感謝謝謝好非常謝謝參與委員 |
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下一位執行委員請謝一鋒委員 |
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謝謝主席 我想要請我們陳部長農業部陳部長 |
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陳部長大家都在講這個花生大家只注意到雲林的花生是一萬兩千公頃其實彰化縣也有三千三百公頃的花生是啊那所以這一次美國的花生你雖然說進口量不到怎麼樣不到它整個進口量美國的花生不到進口量的1%不到1%然後全部都用在加工嘛是不是對 |
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但是你怎麼知道說未來如果它的價格只有我們本地花生的40%的時候大家會不會極力的進口啊那對於我們國產的花生那會產生什麼樣的影響 |
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我想委員的關心或擔心都是從價格的角度去看那如果說從長期的這些我們對於產業的支持的角度我覺得我們的農產品不只是價格應該看它的價值我是說我當然知道你說價值但是一般的民眾還有一般的加工的廠商他們先看 |
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是價格嘛那我想要了解的是就價格方面你怎麼樣子保障農民的收入不比以前低不過我想我們會透過去針對產業升級的方式第一個我們會去蓋區域的加工風乾中心那風乾中心就節省了這些農民的這些風乾的這些成本那以上會要蓋幾個 |
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我想彰化的部分大概將近3400公頃左右所以業者我們會跟合作社業者那邊去談他有意願做的話我們都會去設置我們絕對不會忽略到彰化 |
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對啊 我覺得說沒有 這個議題是雲林炒出來的對 農民現在很擔心嘛是不是農民很擔心說未來本土我們國產的花生怎麼樣子嘛是不是怎麼樣子處理我想 怡伶關心的彰化我都願意就是台灣花生裡面其實彰化的風味又跟雲林不一樣所以怎麼樣去凸顯在地的品牌的效益讓消費者認同這個部分我想我一定會大力來協助 |
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對啊 花生彰化的花生很好吃耶是不是你應該要重視彰化的花生啊對不對我從來沒有說我忽略彰化的花生啊你說獅殼的花生你說獅殼的花生獅殼的收購然後集團栽培但是民眾會想說會不會集團栽培你讓小農就沒有辦法生存集團栽培的過程中用契作的方式去保障它的價格 |
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我用這種方式這樣的話才不會說我們直接補貼農民那很麻煩但是我用集團栽培的方式由集團經營組去去做然後集團的收購的這些花生我去做品牌好去協助他做品牌的效益這樣的話你會不會讓我們在地的你用集團的會不會讓在地的小農他自產自銷的這樣子的一個如果你要自產自銷我們也同樣去輔導 |
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我每次去參加那些產銷會我買我們自產自銷的這些花生給朋友吃大家都很喜歡啊大家都吃了覺得好事會發生啊是不是對啊是啊 |
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那你這樣子會不會傷害我們在地小農保護小農是農業部最大的責任啊所以如果農民願意自產自銷我們也會來輔導不是說一定強制是集團栽培 |
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所以我們有很多多元的部分後續我想我們到彰化區做說明的時候我想也會邀請委員來一起來看一起來聽提供您的建議我想一定是中央跟地方政府一起合作不是 我在意的是怎麼樣子協助嘛怎麼樣協助我們在地的我們再把相關的這些配套的作為再提供給委員做參考 |
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要讓他們就是說過去的就是說他們生產的花生以及怎麼樣受到市場的喜愛啊是不是那你加工的部分你怎麼樣協助他們可以加工升級嘛是不是用更好的方式用更好的方式去加工嘛這是農業部需要做的嘛對不對我想農業部 |
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針對這個部分已經有一個完整的策略在那邊因為現在R的病還沒有生效但是我們已經實際在做的所以我也不希望在這段時間農民被挑起這種不安的情緒因為我想台灣的農業要自己來一起來努力所以我想我們後續會自己來做雖然說這個問題是從雲林開始但是你也必須要了解這種這麼寧靜的地方雲林就在彰化隔壁是不是 |
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雲林就在彰化隔壁耶我們絕對不會放棄彰化您百分之百放心對啊是不是應該要讓所有的農民都可以安心嘛讓彰化好的花生彰化好的雜糧作物都可以有一個能夠自產自銷以及一個品牌升級的管道啊是不是絕對會這樣做您放心 |
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對 你已經保證是不是我保證不會放棄彰化 絕對不會陳副長保證是不是對 我保證好好好 好 你這樣保證了那我想要請問 就是在智慧農業的部分你怎麼樣子做到說智慧農業的就是能夠讓農民用得起 |
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不過我想智慧農業過去本身大家傳統的想法就是我所有的感染源要自己買那現在我們把它推動變成類似集團栽培的角度類似我們家裡以前的防盜系統都要自己買嘛現在不用 現在用保全公司來做所以我們在推動智慧農業的服務業用服務業的角度來協助我們的農民來架設相關的這個資訊 |
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所以農民端只要有手機能夠看到自己的生產數據就可以了不需要去做這樣子的一個維護因為我們知道農業的這個從業的人口已經越來越少了是不是那未來在人力減少的情況下你怎麼樣維持糧食的安全這也是你們農業部最首要的嘛 |
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那怎麼樣子維持那個糧食的安全以及要讓這個缺工的問題被解決那智慧農業是一個非常好的導入的一個面向嘛對不對可是除了集團你也必須要共同的讓這些農民知道啊你不能每次都集團啊是不是農民不是永遠都只有加入集團 |
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不過我想您剛才講的一些個體物如果願意做的時候我們也願意協助我剛才講的就是農事的服務業像我們本身的農機的Uber也是這個概念然後我們有一些示範場地也可以來協助他們做你不要變成一直補助農機然後你補助農機以後變成他又轉嫁成成本給農民你知道嗎不會我們用農機的Uber的話 |
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相對的農民不用買農機然後他在服務的時候因為農業機器本身我們有補助所以他會比平常更低的價格去做服務我必須要告訴你因為很多的農民或者是畜牧業者都跟我反映過去的農機具的補助等於會變相的變成他們的成本嘛 |
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那未來在農業政策的這個部分怎麼樣子不讓農機具的補助以及就是耕地轉作的補助變成了農民他們生產上的成本這我認為也是農業部要考量的好不好我覺得委員所提到的是一個非常重要的議題也是我們一直想要處理的特別是我們補助以後我們補助多少變成地住就占多少啦 |
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這樣的話我想我們要有一個機制去做一個切斷的方式所以我們會細更精密的去更仔細的去細設計這樣的一個後面的一個協助的措施我認為這個部分請部長跟我們所有農業部的各部會回去喔就是說好好的來 |
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做一個相關的研擬政策的方向好不好好我們研擬完以後再跟委員報告不要讓這些就是說不管是轉做的補助不管是農機的補助最後變成了轉嫁車我們不管是對農變成農民的成本好不好好謝謝委員的提醒好謝謝謝謝副委員剛剛部長你的保證會列入紀錄刊登公報我不會放棄沒有我說你的保證會列入紀錄刊登公報啦 |
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你好 我們請部長請農業部 陳部長 |
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部長好 部長我先補充剛才蔡委員提到的野生動物在我們這個對農作產品的危害那剛才提到的是不是個案性的問題還是普遍性的問題那其實它已經是普遍性的問題它不僅是在就我們嘉義縣的各鄉鎮從朱祁鄉、阿里山鄉、大埔鄉都有農民跟我們一一沉潛 |
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那如果我們仔細來去做文獻回顧的話台中梨山那台東還有嘉義中埔還有台南高雄等那都是有相關的狀況出現所以剛才部長有提到說保險上面是不是納入天然災害這個我們是不是可以思考一下那第二個部分就是說我們也看到說日本日本也是一樣日本特別是在比較鄉村的地方雄害的問題也是不斷的在發生 |
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那就是說我們不針對單一物種不管它是哪一種野生動物不管它在日本的話通常就是野豬是最多的然後再來就是熊海那其實包含我們自己我自己的比較年長的朋友在日本的他最近因為車禍因為他是撞到野生動物所以這樣子的狀況是不斷的在出現所以有我們地方的鄉親提出來說是不是這個擴大這個獵人狩獵的範圍跟其他的相關的補助 |
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另一個做法就是說用新的科技不過我覺得有點是在經濟效益上面來講真的有點又太貴了不知道部長有沒有什麼樣的回應可以讓我們的鄉親朋友們特別是在比較山區的朋友們能夠面臨不管是猴害山豬野生動物等這種危害謝謝委員關鍵這個議題我想分兩個層次來說明第一個層次就是說 |
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遇到以後也沒有辦法政府可以提供一些協助的措施那這個部分我剛才特別有特別提到我請同仁規劃就是因為雖然說侯外是個案所謂個案是它普遍發生但是它不是同一個時間像天然災害同一個時間同一個區域所以我們可能要重新界定那個範圍可能發生侯外的範圍那第二個部分是有沒有可能透過政策型的保險因為商業保險大概不會保啦 |
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但是用正在情的保險來處理因為它不像天然災害是同時發生它是零星發生但是持續發生那用正在情保險是不是有機會去去cover它的一些損失這第一個部分第二個部分是防止的部分我想我之前也講猴子越來越多如果不處理的話我們到時候它會一直逼到我們的都會區鄉村區現在已經有了 |
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所以我們想林保署已經啟動了一些一些特殊的一些計畫去做一些族群的議制啊那這個族群的議制如果說在市分區做得還不錯的話我想我們會推廣到其他的區域去做這個事情因為已經在從我就任到現在跟我就任之前他們都不斷的跟我反應就是而且這個 |
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頻率越來越多 我們移除計畫今年已經 去年就開始做了 那我們移除計畫計畫如果事辦成功之後就把它擴大 然後再把它加強 加強它 才能夠移植謝謝部長 因為我時間有限 我緊接著再問一下我們族旗嘉義族旗的高階離的問題 就是離稅的問題齁那我們的 我現在 |
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用一個鄉鎮為例就竹崎鄉它的離農的離稅需求大概是110多鄉但是竹崎農會它直接向日本來去採購的話大概只能滿足大概40%36%到40%左右那其他的部分就是無法滿足的需求可能就變成要跟台中或者是台中的合作社拿貨或者是用其他的方式去直購那我們的意思是說 |
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因為相對於整個大型的產區我們不管是在竹崎鄉或者是整個嘉遠跟全國3000多公頃的這個需求值是很小的量體所以他如果小產區去跟人家去做申請去談判的話選擇上是弱勢那有沒有可能有沒有個機制全國協調機制一個窗口來盤點各農會他的需求總量 |
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那我們就是統籌可以跟日方來去協商這樣子的話我們得到的品質也好 離稅也好會比較有好一點的這個妥協或者是應該說談判的一個空間我想我們的離稅大概百分之八十還是用我們的國產的寶島甘露裡那百分之一成的部分大概從日本來的部分那我也了解像小產區的時候它的溢價或者是它的貨源的掌握會比大產區還小 |
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特別是有時候離稅要嫁接兩次所以他也不敢買多買多到時候多了也會賠錢買少會不夠所以我現在就希望說有一個媒合平台甚至於我可以說成立一個採稅的一個策略聯盟每一年的時候我們就針對不同地區的採稅大概是多少然後有一個調度平台來處理我想我會這樣可不可以這個有沒有辦法 |
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給我們一個大概時間表就是盡量我們可以什麼時候我們可以跟我們農民朋友說這個可能會出來我想一定 我一定會在明年度在採購的時候之前一定要完成謝謝 謝謝部長那這個消息我們就跟我們的朱祁的朋友還有我們全部的鄉親來講好 謝謝謝謝我們陳冠廷委員來 部長先回座李燕秀 李燕秀 李燕秀不在郭益群委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請部長請農業部陳部長好 |
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部長好 這個時間非常有限上禮拜其實針對這個動物用藥的問題我也召開了一個座談會那不管是這個一線的救傷的一些野生動物的救傷的單位或者是一線的獸醫師 另外農業部跟我們的衛福部其實也都有人員來參加 代表來參加但是我先提到就是當天我們的這個座談會當中其實提到幾個這個主題那包含這個制度雖然我們已經註銷但是問題 |
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還存在就是目前一線的一些問題還存在現在最大的問題其實不是法規而是藥物到底能不能夠正常而且如實的一個供應那我至少在我的辦公室至少接了大概有20幾件的這個藥品跟醫材的一些陳情 |
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那我們也陸陸續續一直不斷的在回應好 那我請問一下這個農業部到底目前有沒有掌握實際的一個供應的狀況有沒有一個既定的機制能夠來彌補這樣子的一個在註銷之前的這段的空窗期好 等一下再回答我整個全部念完因為今天時間很趕好 那第二個 |
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13481.912 |
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就是在座談會當中其實我們在第一線其實也反映了相對的一些問題喔其實大家都在跟時間賽跑那麼尤其是在對於所謂的急重症或者是急救的問題還有所謂的這個偏遠的一些地區喔是不是可以因為等流程跑完喔大家都知道如果是用到所謂的緊急用藥的部分那個升級的流程正常的流程大概兩到三個禮拜才會下來但那個時候其實大家都在 |
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13507.17 |
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都已經錯過了黃金救援的一個時間所以有沒有對於所謂的急救或者是重症的部分我們可以有所謂的快速的通報或者是先授權的一個機制這是第二個問題那第三個問題跨部會到底有沒有失靈因為現在人用藥品其實在衛福部但問題是我們的動物用藥其實是在我們的主責單位在我們的農業部的部分那我們現在的處於的態度跟立場我到底是被動的 |
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衛福部那邊來跟我談呢還是我主動的有在掌握 主動的在協調這個是第三個問題第四個問題到底我們的製度的解方要放在哪裡那麼針對所謂的上個禮拜我的這個座談會所有的一線受益師他們都非常的認同也就是說我要先從要事法開始修 |
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我們把所謂的動物醫院納入到我們的這個藥師法可以供應所謂的人用藥物用在動物的醫療上面這樣子的一個藥師法當然我也已經提出我的版本那目前已經一讀了那我想要問一下目前為止我看到已經有我剛剛講二十幾件的不管是藥品或者是在整個所有的這個用藥或者是在一般的所謂的這個醫材的一個部分的一些陳情那正面表列都已經有這麼多的問題負面表列 |
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可不可以來好好的來研議我們從法制面那目前為止我們可不可以避免醫療的鍛煉現在已經不是所謂的這個能不能救的問題而是我真的不知道要在哪裡啊因為一線的藥商其實他們現在因為磨糊地帶因為不確定所以我供給的藥物的部分我可能也會開始縮手這個目前是在一線的收藥師他們所面臨的一個狀況好 針對剛剛我所謂的以下的問題請部長回應 |
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謝謝委員我想第一個部分跨部位的部分我想我們的現在的互動越來越好那主要的是我們會主動那主動的根據是我們根據現在的規定我們用主動公告以後就直接是動物保護用藥了就把它認得為動物保護用藥就農業部來全員負責那第二個部分因為這段時間您講的二十幾件事我們註銷以後那有一些藥商擔心嘛 |
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我先給大家看一下這個是一個平台大概有1.4萬人的一個追蹤大部分追蹤的都是動物醫院都是全台灣所有的獸醫師他那個時候更新27號的時候他就講 |
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根據這個高雄的社會醫院回應給他們說現在有一個所謂的這個藥商他說所有的藥品暫停出給所謂的動物醫院但問題是我也有幫他追啊那後來發現這個不是確實的但是問題是屢屢這樣子的事情三番兩次我們應該要怎麼解 |
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13657.465 |
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不過我想我們農業部現在比較弱的一環就是我們過往跟廠商的資訊比較弱所以這個部分我想我們會跟食藥組這邊能夠取得一些廠商他最主要供應藥商的部分一方面讓藥商了解他可以供藥不會違法 |
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受醫院大概都知道了這個部分第三個部分就是您講的負面表列的部分我覺得我們現階段先用正面表列因為負面表列的時候他的母宿但是問題是現在正面表列的問題已經出現了那這個大概三天兩頭我都會接到陳情啦我們持續的會去滾動最快什麼時候我們可以真的兩個部會好好坐下來溝通然後包含其實連我們的辦公室其實也很關鍵這件事情不是註銷之後就沒事了 |
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不是註銷之後就沒事了因為問題還要繼續追蹤所以我們大概的那個協調都已經確認了然後我想會再我會邀請委員一起來看看裡面的還有一個重要的你剛才講的就是偏鄉急救的部分我們會成立一個有沒有快速通報就是快速通報或者是什麼豁免豁平本身那個快速協調的一個平台機制它可以去調貨我們會成立這樣一個那由我們的房間主來負責好 再次說對生命真的不能等是 我知道好 醫療不能有空的話 |
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好不好 好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝郭益勳委員 這個時間掌握得非常精準好 請部長先回座 校委陳昌明 陳昌明 陳昌明不在在下一位徐欣盈 徐欣盈 徐欣盈不在校委執行委員請約言之主委好 介紹農業部長 謝謝請農業部陳部長 |
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13753.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
13770.086 |
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我想問一下花生的議題啦因為那個美國的花生如果零關稅進來的話對我們台灣的花生會有影響嗎那昨天農業部的說法是說還好啦因為他目前的占比只有1%那主要的對手不是台灣的農民是其他國家的農民 |
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那不讓你評估啦因為他之前是1%有沒有可能是因為他之前有關稅嘛比較高啦所以進口商不願意進價格比較高但如果沒有了關稅那進口商會不會也比較願意進就不止1%有沒有可能 |
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13785.506 |
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13805.224 |
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不過我想從現在的進口的情況之下美國的花生跟印度的花生它的價差也不會很高所以美國都是以加工的花生為主而且是68噸而已如果說過往就已經差不多的時候它也不願意進來有它的一些它們會不會比較便宜啊 |
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對 然後最後就是當它比較低的時候那就會開始去取代印度阿根廷跟巴西這是低道防線會不會取代台灣農民的花生我想以價格的角度如果政府沒有認得作為那它的確可能會有影響但是農業部絕對不會有 |
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不作為所以我們在這段時間我們就會積極的去讓我們的花生的品牌的效益提升我相信委員也很喜歡吃台灣的花生那我怎麼樣讓更多的我覺得今天會遇到問題大家務實來討論這個事第一因為昨天在回答說因為它原本只有一趴競爭者不是我們我覺得就已經這樣的回答已經不是很精準了啦 |
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因為你其實是有很多條件嘛你的意思是說如果我們的比如說農民我們可以提高我們的價值可以更讓我們國人更喜歡我們的花生那大家不會完全以價格來考量的話那就對我們不會影響所以基本上你是有很多前提的建構才會得出結論就是說不會影響所以第一個你們回答要精準第二個你講說我們要提高價值取代價錢那過去農業部不是都一直在做這件事嗎難道你們農業部過去沒有在做這件事嗎 |
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不過我想有不同的策略不同的品量有不同的策略因為農業部一直的一個很重要工作就是輔導我們農民讓我們農產品更有價值沒錯吧那怎麼會忽然間遇到這個狀況我們還繼續說我們要提高我們的價值這個有點空 |
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因為我們時間比較少主席控制時間我覺得我是希望說今天你們在談關稅的時候其實以前我也問過部長部長說絕對不會零關稅進來因為我們保護我們農業但是顯然就是有一些就是零關稅進來那你們有沒有在第一時間去跟農民講會遇到這樣的狀況 |
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我會讓他措手不及因為昨天我看農業部有一些官員可能不是部長的說法是說沒關係我們就讓農民可以轉型或者是讓他去做別的事情但他忽然間措手不及會覺得那我現在不種花生我要幹嘛這件事情其實是會讓他們陷入一種 |
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茫然啦 我覺得農業部遇到問題就要趕快講我要先澄清一下 我們的次長在對外講的時候是有完整的但是媒體在下標的時候可能就會有一些錯誤的解讀啦這個我想我們會盡快的澄清第二個部分就是您剛才講的就是我們怎麼樣讓農民知道 |
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那因為現在R的本身並沒有生效但是我們的整個系統性的協助的規劃已經在跟相關的產銷班跟合作社長在去談他比較細的這些協助那我想我們一定會站在農民的立場讓我們的台灣發聲更好我們跟社會大眾跟農民講話我覺得要講精準因為有時候你們講的話真的讓大家會聽不下去 |
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13999.104 |
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那接下來那個美國的鮮奶也要零關稅進來嘛ARK裡面是那你們的因應是什麼美國鮮奶零關稅就好像台紐零關稅大家擔心的那以台紐零關稅去年一整年它只增加了600多噸它國跟國之間因為紐西蘭我提醒一下第一個美國鮮奶其實現在即便是有關稅的情況下都蠻便宜的啦國內也很喜歡買啦 |
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所以之後零關稅一定影響更大那你到時候已經會推我們當然我站在消費者角度當然OK啊對不對因為鮮奶越便宜越好啊可是到時候你保護農民因為又推一些配套措施希望你規劃好再推出像之前台牛的時候推那個什麼斑斑喝鮮奶後來就是弄到問題一堆無疾而終千萬不要再犯類似的錯誤要保護農民要然後消費者權益也要但是重點就是配套也要做好啦了解謝謝委員長謝謝 |
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還有嗎 蔣雅琳蔣雅琳在下位質詢應該最後一位請蔣雅琳委員質詢我盡量好 謝謝主席我們有請部長 請農業部陳部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14080.013 |
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我想我還是要跟您有關於討論有關於動物用藥的問題就是說我們其實在之前就有要求你們要去盤點這個救命藥跟常用藥那我知道目前已經盤點完成了那我接下來就想要來請部長就是說我們這個名單是不是可以在廣納各界的意見這件事情 |
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14100.017 |
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公告的藥品我想我們除了技術上的確認以外也會讓外界特別是獸醫院有哪一些常用藥沒有納入的擔心會有缺漏這個部分我想我們隨時會有所以我們跟那個獸醫工會這邊也會有密切的一些接觸所以我們目前是跟獸醫工會這邊都有來去 |
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討論這份清單嗎 對不對那這個部分因為我想還是因為畢竟還有野生動物這個可能救傷單位的這個可能狀況也會有點不一樣是不是也可以邀請他們的意見野灣這邊的意見也可以一起來拿我想野生動物特別您關心的野生動物的部分我們現在有成立一個就是藥物的調度平台特別是對 野生動物特別在偏鄉有沒有 |
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他有一個比較好的調度平台的時候他知道這個藥在哪邊有我們會有一個比較完整的這些區位跟點位讓他們了解來提取或是領用 |
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好喔 我想就是說因為其實最主要是救命藥跟常用藥的那個概念上面可能在都市的獸醫院跟相對會不太一樣所以才會希望說這個名單是不是適合廣納大家的意見所以部長是願意的嘛好 那再來就是說我們目前的分級管理的規劃目前的進度是什麼樣因為我們目前好像還沒有清楚了解這個時程表是什麼分級管理 對什麼意思還是誰可以來回覆一下 |
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報告委員我們現在已經有函給獸醫師全聯會提供針對我們公告的731品項因為我們在4月17號已經又有更新了那目前是有731品項那請全聯會就這個分級的部分那提供意見 那我們後面會那麼日期是什麼時候會完產出這個比較初步的一個方案呢我們請全聯會是在文到一週一週內 好所以應該看起來就是五月底之前吧 對吧 |
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有機會有機會 好那接下來我想要前 才是調度的問題啦就是說我們雖然在4月22號註銷但是其實還是有藥廠不出貨的狀況對好 那就是例如就是說那個賜福利新膠囊500mg就有反應不出貨了那現在其實是全聯會他們自己在內部有一些協調的機制但是如果還是沒有藥還是會請房檢署再去找食藥署協調那我想問一下因為現在他們告訴我們的反應是說 |
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大概還需要三到四天才能夠得到這個藥那我不曉得說剛剛部長有講說你們有個藥物調度平台會再加速嗎這個時間會再加速嗎我想分兩個部分就是說你藥已經是拿得到但是我們在一個調度平台裡面有藥你特別在偏鄉或急救的可以處理那另外一個議題就是有些廠商到目前為止還不太願意出貨這是另外一個議題但是我們房間署比較弱的是我們對藥商的管道比較薄弱 |
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所以我們一方面我們會透過獸醫院把我們的解釋函或相對食藥署的解釋函讓藥商再知道我們這部分是可以跟食藥署更緊密然後第二方面就是再跟食藥署拜託食藥署再跟藥商再去溝通或者是再把他們因為他們的指令會比較有效啦所以我們也會跟食藥署講說拜託他們再去跟藥商通知一下 |
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但是我想我覺得這個房檢署的角色還是要強化啦我們應該要更清楚的知道哪些藥出了問題積極的去跟食藥署溝通請他們協助加速這個過程啦因為現在還到三到四天啦對所以我想過去的我們就不講了現在我們把它認定為那個都保用藥的話就是由房檢署全權負責嘛所以我們會更積極的對這樣的藥物的流向跟提供的廠商的清單更清楚 |
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好那再來一件事情抱歉暑暑再給我一分鐘的時間好那再來就是有關遊蕩犬管理的部分就是我想這段也是接了連載還是有很多的公安事件不管是婦人也好小朋友掉到水溝裡面等等都還是有那其實我發現了一件事情就是說我們在 |
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管理的預算增加可是我們的點位也在增加然後我們的點位還有高度重疊的部分就是說跟113年115年再來講我如果我這個現在的計畫有效我115年的點位應該不會跟113年重複啊可是我竟然還有高度就是229處是重疊的所以我想問一下就是說我們到底對於這個計畫的內容上面我們有沒有確實的去檢討 |
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那不然怎麼會以前的樂區到現在還是樂區呢我覺得一個是一個是把 |
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熱區不一定說我調查過它就不是熱區的當然啦 但是問題是說如果你計畫都下去了所以有一些新增的部分那我覺得比較重要的就是熱區裡面的遊蕩犬要怎麼樣讓它變成不是熱區我覺得這才是重點啦所以我現在就是說我透過農菜計畫已經指定了針對有關於動物福利跟遊蕩犬的這些措施已經名列在 |
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農村再生計畫你原題的時候來協助所以這樣動保師就不會完全由他的系統去協助也可以從農村再生的系統農村的計畫的系統去協助我想就是說雖然說我們有講這個農村再生計畫要求不要餵食遊蕩犬但是我還是要講如果這個宣導沒有查核點餵的時候我們還是很難知道到底有沒有因為我也會擔心說他領了補助款可是他繼續餵對不對還是可能會有這樣子的問題所以這個查核還是很重要 |
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我想農村災難計畫宣導是一件事情那他也會提供相關的那個區域本身的這些遊蕩犬的數量跟點位的相關的資訊 |
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會提供點位的資訊對 會提供點位的資訊好喔 那這樣子齁我想就是說我們是不是可以有一些資料就是說我們其實在1959吧對不對我們其實都有一些到底哪些發生公安事件那我們是不是可以針對這些因為我們現在基本上是用縣市來看看 |
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你們不懂我意思嗎就是說我們現在是用縣市來盤點這一區有哪些公安事件我們可不可以對應因為你現在已經到村裡的嘛你現在已經到點位到村裡公共安全的數字是不是也可以對到村裡的數字讓我們可以更清楚的知道這個地方到底有沒有實際的減少 |
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我想第一個部分如果吃藥它的吃藥來源已經有到村裡當然可以那有一些沒有我想我們第一部分先通函給縣市政府它的統計的時候能夠把確切的村裡甚至於社區都能夠把它畫上去才能夠做統計因為你現在畫社是用村裡來畫社對那我們就一致性的都是用村裡的方式因為如果你一下用社區一下用村裡我們就會很難比對所以我想後續我想我們會先請棟寶吃這邊 |
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就是發案給地方他調查的時候的一些基本欄位一定大家有我們現在1959應該已經是到村裡的啦可是地方說有的韓報只到縣市而已喔那沒關係有村裡的我可不可以先知道我們有多少有縣市有村裡的部分我們可以先了解先把資料調出來因為我們還是要知道到底因為樂區是樂區嘛如果資料有我想我們可以馬上調啦 |
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好 那我們大概什麼時候可以去完成這樣子的初步的盤點跟盤點知道哪些人有 哪些人沒有要如何督促他們做到村裡呢報告委員 我們用兩桌的時間兩桌的時間是不是好 那這樣子我們才有辦法討論那個KPI啦 好不好好 謝謝喔謝謝主席唉 不客氣 我腳都麻了 |
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主席主席要做重要的宣告請大家注意聽一下這很重要登記發言委員除副長之外區域均發言完畢 詢問答案結束由委員陳昌明許新穎索林書面執行列入紀錄刊登公報書面執行及未及待會部分請相關單位一桌之內以書面待會並赴日本會委員另有要求期限從期所定 |
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那最後一點很重要各位委員如果針對預算案如果有相關提案請於5月5號下午5點之前送經濟委員會辦公室以立後續的會審預時不再收案預時不再收案預時不再收案 |
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討論事項 所列議案 巡查結束並定期進行預算審查謝謝大家 大家辛苦了 現在休息 |