| IVOD_ID |
17388 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17388 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T08:36:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T12:04:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:27:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ee2f02a5732d1cf8d4da4497998d3b939b1d480c4e0b4ea52a4db8995c879dd205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、財政資訊中心歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金－中央政府債務基金。（僅詢答）
【4月29日及30日二天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：4月30日（四）下午5時】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:36:08 - 12:04:00 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會第十一次選舉委員會議呈現請主任秘書報告初期委員人數報告委員會初期委員與主法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會第十次權力委員會議實錄時間中華民國一百一十五年四月三日星期四九時至十三時二十三分地點群憲樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福等十人列席官員鍾嘉斌等十人列席官員行政院常務副秘書長李國新行政院主計總處主計長陳淑芝審計部審計長陳瑞敏財政部政務次長阮清華農業部政務次長胡仲英 |
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衛生福利部常務次長莊榮祥暨相關單位主管主席李昭吉文燕秀報告事項邀請財政部莊部長翠雲農業部陳部長俊濟衛生福利部石部長崇良行政院主計總組陳主計長淑芝就馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制檢疫查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全及後市場抽煙預算執行情形進行專題報告並備諮詢討論事項 |
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1.審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關足跡總署即審計部審計部台北市審計處審計部新北市審計處審計部桃園市審計處審計部台中市審計處審計部台南市審計處審計部高雄市審計處部分2.審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第三項一般性補助款財政部主管第一幕財政部第二幕國庫署 |
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第十三項一般性補助款其他第一至八目災害準備金、釣魚備金報告及討論事項合併詢答行政院理副秘書長、財政部阮次長、農業部胡次長、衛生福利部莊次長行政院主計總署陳主計長 |
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審計部陳審計長分別提出報告後 暨由委員嚴寬衡18人提出質詢均經行政院主計總處陳主計長及相關人員予以說明及答覆決議一 報告說明及詢答完畢二 委員諮詢 未及答覆或請補充資訊 請相關部會議一周內以書面答覆委員力邀請期限者從期鎖定 |
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3.中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總署即審計部審計部台北市審計處審計部新北市審計處審計部桃園市審計處審計部台中市審計處審計部台南市審計處審計部高雄市審計處部分 |
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第十七款直轄市及縣市政府第三項一般性補助款財政部主管第一幕財政部第二幕國庫署第三項一般性補助款其他第一至八幕災害準備金第二預備金均令其繼續審查通過臨時提議案宣讀案必營在場委員未足法定人數議事陸戰不確定請議事人員宣讀今日議程 |
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討論事項一審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部國庫署官務署及所署國財產署及所署財政資訊中心稅務預算部分及融資財源調度僅詢答二審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金中央政府債務基金僅詢答宣讀完畢 |
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原例介紹 與會政府官員財政部 莊卓雲部長綜合規劃司 李瓊明司長國際財政司 李明基司長推動促參司 張素貞司長人事處 張芳琪處長會計處 李秋月處長統計處 李蔡美娜處長政風處 周志信處長 |
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法治處姚瑩處長秘書處楊金亨處長資訊小組蔣文斌主任國庫署陳柏成署長負稅署宋秀琳署長官務署彭英偉署長國有財政署曾國基署長財政資訊中心張文希主任財政人員訓練所洪惠山代理所長 |
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臺灣銀行公交保險部林鳳龍經理區區部李志明專門委員行政院主計總處公務預算處陳淑萍專門委員 |
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今日議程安排一審查中華民國一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部國庫署官務署及所屬國有財政署及所屬財政資訊中心稅出預算部分即容資財源調度 |
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第二審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金中央政府債務基金這兩部分都僅詢答現在請財政部莊部長進行預算案內容報告部長請簡短謝謝 |
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主席各位委員先進大家早貴委員會今天審查115年度財政部還有國庫署官務署及所屬以及國產署及所屬財政資訊中心以及等這些機關的稅出預算以及融資財源調度暨中央政府債務基金附屬單位預算 |
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本人應邀率主管同仁列席報告以下請做簡要的說明首先114年度的施政計畫實施成果請各位參閱我們的書面報告附錄一114年度主管稅出預算的執行情形我們決算數114年度的稅出決算數是新台幣1477.38億元佔預算數的86.88% |
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那麼執行情形尚屬正常那相關的執行情形請參閱書面報告第十二頁附表一第三我們一百一十五年度的施政計畫的重點首先是健全政府的財政提升財務韌性第二是優化稅制創新稅政 |
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營造優質的賦稅環境第三是精進科技查緝行動強認數位便捷通關第四是活化國家資產創造多元的效益第五是推進促參創新機制擴增公共建設的案源引導民間資金投資國家公共建設第六是推動資通訊科技結合人工智慧提升智慧政府數位治理的效能 |
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第四個部份我們報告115年度我們主管稅出預算的編列情形我們在115年度稅出預算是編列1689億元比114年度的預算減少10.58億元主要是減少了地方政府統籌分配稅款短少補助63.67億元而新增了電子發票整合服務平台永續維運 |
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及韌性強化計劃和小型X光檢查儀的太購第二期計劃經費合計是3.73億元另外我們也增加了統一發票給獎以及推行經費以及國有非公用文化資產的修復及管理維護計劃那麼還有國產署的辦公廳設取得計劃案等經費有44.3億元那麼增減戶底影響所致所以我們是減少了10.58億元 |
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那麼接下來為各位報告各機關稅數編列的一個情形就財政部本部而言我們編列135億餘元主要是依照公教人員保險法的規定對公教人員的保險養老給付補助還有國庫增資中國輸出銀行繳納中美洲銀行增資股款等 |
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請參閱我們的報告第四頁第五頁以及附錄二那在國庫署的部分是編列1068億餘元主要是國債的付息還有經理以及撕裂菸品茶器的作業經費請看我們的第五頁以及附錄的第三 |
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1951.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1975.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
官務署及所屬我們是編列了81億餘元主要是數位海關再造計畫海關巡棄艇的太舊換新第二期計畫以及基隆港東岸儀檢站的門框式貨櫃檢查儀的建置計畫所需要的一個經費請參閱我們的第五頁到第七頁以及附錄四在國產署及所屬的部分是編列了41億餘元 |
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1977.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2004.011 |
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主要是国有非公用文化资产的修复以及管理维护计划以及国产署办公厅社取得案还有被占用的国有不动产加强清理第三期计划所需的经费请参阅第七页到第八页以及附录五那在我们财政中心的部分我们编列了23亿余元主要是国税资讯系统的永续发展计划还有本部共用资料中心的资源扩充计划 |
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2004.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2014.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
以及電子發票整合服務平台永續違印及韌性強化計畫所需要的經費請參閱我們第八頁到第九頁以及附錄的六 |
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2015.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2026.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那麼在融資財源的調度部分呢115年度中央政府總預算的稅率編列2兆8623億元稅出編列了3兆0350億元稅出稅率差短1727億元那另外還要支應債務還本數是1265億元還需融資調度的經費是2992億元規劃全數是以舉債來支應那到今年的3月底中央政府 |
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2044.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2056.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
所舉借的一年以上的公共債務未償餘額實際數是5兆9929億元佔前三年度名目國GDP的平均數的比例是23%到115年底中央政府長期債務餘額的預算數 |
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2061.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2066.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
如果是按照113年底中央政府長期債務餘額的實際數5,8580億元我們連同歷年特別預算融資調度的保留數是2911億元我們還要再加計114年度 |
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2080.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2102.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
和115年度預計的債務解決數並扣除債務償還數以後在預估115年度中央政府長期債務餘額是6兆8630億元這是一個預估數那麼在前三年度的明目GDP的平均數也是在26.4%低於公債法裡面規定債務存量上限40.6%那麼未來本部會和各機關 |
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2106.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2112.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
根據的推行開源節流的措施我們會管控稅入稅出的差短減緩債務的累積來維持財政的穩健 |
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2116.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2127.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
接下來是報告中央政府債務基金業務的重點以及預算的編列情形我們編列發行公債或向金融機構舉借6,818億餘元連同中央政府總預算撥入的債務還本收入1,265億元合計是8,083億餘元全數支應年度內到期以及未到期的債務還本所需那麼本期剩餘是288萬5千元 |
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2146.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2150.22 |
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那以上的報告敬請各位委員會議支持和指教 謝謝現在介紹在場林德福委員現在開始詢答 先做以下宣告每位出席委員發言時間8分鐘 必要時都延長2分鐘每位列席委員發言時間5分鐘 今日上午10點截止發言登記現已登記順序 請登記第一位林德福委員之選 |
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2196.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2198.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
謝謝 謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2205.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2209.867 |
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台股本週散線4萬點根據媒體報導,財政部114年國家持有的有價證券價值高達5.09兆元 |
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2225.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2239.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
相較110年的2.99兆元 矩增了多了七成但外資從星期一開始賣超台股511億元星期二超賣就是賣超392億元有專家就是認為台股問題在於K型的經濟 |
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2255.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2277.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
長的類股集中在AI供應鏈很多公司股價反而走跌而且通膨將影響AI後市整個泡沫的風險並非沒有這些專家他們的認為那我請問莊部長是否認同台股有K型經濟的現象你的看法呢 |
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2278.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2307.222 |
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是先跟委員報告剛剛委員有提到國有財產的有價證券的價值創新高那也跟委員報告這裡面主要是在國有財產的有價證券主要是各部會所監管的各部會監管的有價證券或者是國營事業的股份那這個部分當然隨著股票的市值提升它的價值就增加這個是部分那第二個對於股票市場裡面最近的那個成交量也好還有 |
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2309.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2334.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
加權指數程序的上升那我想這個部分對於資本市場的一個變動金管會都持續的在做一個關注那你認不認同現在整個台股有經濟K型的經濟的這種現象我想各方的看法都有不同那金管會會對於資本市場的一個變動情形會關注必要的時候也可能會有一些相關的措施我想這個是金管會的資本市場的管理因為 |
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2336.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2361.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
講實在話這個AI股只有占差不多兩成左右其他的傳統產業其實都不是很好所以說以目前來看你認為是否會像外資一樣趁股市高點的時候這些變成K型經濟有一些調節手中的會有一些來在高點的時候來調節手中的持股你認為會不會是這種現象 |
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2363.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2383.03 |
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外資當然前陣子也有釋出但是最近也有買入的一個情況其實是這樣那當然股市是經濟的櫥窗它是一個呈現我們的經濟的基本面其實是經濟的櫥窗我是非常認同那其實股市啊是投資啊並不是投機啊但是現在這種當沖啊講實在話 |
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2387.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2398.28 |
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那個部長我相信你很清楚啦那一天的量字大可以說從來沒有像這樣子的啦而且都是在AI股那我認為這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2402.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2413.692 |
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會這個高處不勝寒啦你大起會大落所以說我也希望財政部好好的去研究我不是說反對但是當然你們現在因為當沖這個整個 |
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2418.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2431.917 |
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我們這個你股市交易的那個稅啊證交稅就可以收很多嘛我很清楚啊但問題是會不會有後遺症啊我相信部長你們應該要好好的研究看看啦 |
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2433.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2444.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
當沖降稅這個降稅是到試用的期間是到明年的結束那在明年期限戒止之前我們會跟金管會持續的來討論因為你等於是變成鼓勵投機啦並不是投資講實在話 |
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2452.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2470.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
因為你當沖我有很多做餅的啊他們當沖以後其實有的都當然股市上他很高興股市下的時候他灰頭土臉啊我看很多啦那個好那個署長你跟我們那個局長以後回去那個 |
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2472.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2499.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
那個部長因為社會大眾關心你像那個清安政策的2.0啊那本期上個月有跟莊部長說過政策上路前至少要提早兩個月啊讓民眾知道以利民眾研究準備申請的這些資料這幾天又有許多關心新清安的2.0的這些新聞與傳聞啊外界都在關心何時方案可以確定方案討論了這麼久外界認為 |
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2502.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2523.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
貸款年限最長40年那貸款額度最高1000萬元這兩個條件不會改變那能不能請部長你說明一下未來新清安2.0有哪些貸款的條件是跟原本的新清安這個就是沒有改變的一樣沒有改變的 |
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2526.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2543.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
謝謝委員,對於新清安在今年的七月底會期限戒指,那後續辦理的一個方向我們財政部已經召開多次的跨部會的會議,那聽取相關部會的意見因為這個部分涉及到房市的供需 |
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2544.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2556.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
還有金融的市場以及民眾的需求以及新清安貸款的成效還有政府收支財源的運用還有公股銀行資金成本等等多面向所以我們邀同了不管是內政部金管會央行等等我們都來做討論做意見的交流那相關的方案我們也會大概慢慢越來越 |
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2564.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2580.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
聚焦了以後我們會在這個部分討論一定的方向以後會呈報給行政院那行政院確認拍板以後就會對外公布跟說明好我希望齁這個事情要嚴謹然後要提早讓大家了解那個部長 |
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2583.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2595.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
這個114年的這個菸類稅收為423億元那隨著加勒菸開放後目前財政部從加勒菸收取的菸稅的情況如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2600.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2616.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
因為加熱菸是在去年衛福部在10月的時候公告通過健康風險評估的這個指定菸品我記得是有14個品項那我們如果從去年的11月到今年3月為止所收取的加熱菸的稅捐大概達到29.1億元 |
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2621.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2645.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
這是那個加熱煙的相關的稅捐那個部長因為本席看了一下關務署查扣旅客攜帶行李的統計發現加熱煙被查扣的數量佔大宗從財政部的觀察這個究竟是民眾想逃稅還是搞不清楚合法的購買管道你認為呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2646.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2649.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
像這個部分我們會加強除了加強查緝也要加強宣導因為目前經過衛福部通過健康風險評估的加熱菸的菸品在國外並沒有銷售所以旅客從國外買的然後帶進來基本上都不是都不會是健康風險評估通過的除非他是在我們的機場的免稅店買的否則都是屬於這個所以我們會請各個 |
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2674.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2692.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
提醒大家不要就是說是違法本席也關心菸品的走私問題因為加熱菸合法化後那財政部針對走私加熱菸品數量是否有下降的趨勢還是不降反升會不會這種狀況 |
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2694.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2702.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
我們當然是在做加強的查緝我們可以看到這三年裡面來的一個變動都有所變動113年的查獲數量有下降的趨勢因為那個部長 |
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2714.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2741.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那2025年財政部宣布要針對網紅的平台廣告分論品牌業配然後會員訂閱等等金流將課徵營業稅輔導期到2026年的6月那我請問部長現有的資料今年7月開始可能需要輔導繳納營業稅的網紅人數到底有多少有沒有做過統計 |
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2743.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2763.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
數位統計是不是由我們複稅署署長來申請報告委員因為我們下次則由各地區國稅局去篩選可能的名單進行輔導所以目前這個輔導名冊是在國稅局手上我們會定期做統計一定要統計一下對定期會做統計然後統計一下給我們本會的委員好不好好是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2764.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2787.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
財政部針對網紅經濟課徵營業稅事活以臉書包括Google谈妥合作的方式以简化后续營業稅急增的成本有没有谈就是針对臉書Google |
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2790.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2816.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
我們現在法令規定是這些剛才委員所提到的這些我們叫境外平台他必須要提供這些分配給網紅的一些收入資料那這個部分他是採申報的方式也就是會到明月一月的時候他會申報給我們好 我認為該籌備你們還是要啦因為財政部初估下半年營業稅收入來自網紅經濟的貢獻你們有沒有初估過大概也有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2816.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2841.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
要等我們這個輔導的結果就才方便估計好那我剛剛說要你統計那個資料您再統計給本會委員好不好本會委員可不可以等7月因為我們7月可以好沒有問題好謝謝謝謝林道志委員請問在場委員對於上次的會議意思錄有沒有意義沒有意義那意思錄確定第二位質詢委員請賴世保委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2847.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2849.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
謝謝主席有請財政部的莊部長請財政部莊部長委員好部長我請問是不是你明天就出國去了是的所以參加亞營頓年會亞營理事年會在烏茲比爾克 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2875.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2893.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
對名稱還是台北,China你要不要放under protest要不要放under protest我們這個部分我們還是會強烈的以及持續的表達我們的一個抗議我們現在年費繳多少啊年費繳多少啊年費繳多少 這個我們請市長來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2900.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2918.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
我們這邊沒有年費喔沒有年費啊不是我們要捐助捐助捐助捐助多少今年捐助亞洲空港基金一百啊那個是我們的那個資源調備基金是一百萬美元你原來列兩百塊來砍一百過去都是一百今年是不是照舊捐一百還是你預算變多少 |
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2919.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2930.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
100萬美金對啦 100萬美金我知道你們編了多少 今年度編了多少今年也是編100萬美金100萬美金就可以了 不要編200啦200我們在砍掉喔這個有沒有可能去爭取啊 |
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2935.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2956.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
因為這個經貿的啦經貿的話獨立關稅領域我們加入了WTO我們用的名稱叫台澎金馬獨立關稅領域簡稱全日台北全日台北比台北好太多有沒有往這方面努力 請問部長 |
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2958.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
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我們都持續在努力我們每一次去參加理事年會除了我們參加理事年會會跟亞營的總裁副總裁去表達你會提出來嗎當然會提出來一定會提出來提出什麼第一個我們是創始會員我們用正式的國家名稱加入這個組織你提出什麼我們當然希望用我們國家正式名稱是什麼ROC |
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ROC台灣啊最不堪應該就用潛力士台北因為全世界都用奧運模式我們一定爭取我們的正式國名ROC然後台灣我們是創始會員國我們當時是加入的時候就是用這個名稱妳承諾這次去還會講喔我當然會講 |
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那要不要再跟美國那邊講一下你這裏講了好幾年喔好幾年沒有你聽我講完講好幾年說台美那個什麼課稅不從不課稅已經講了好幾年了結果這樣雷聲大啊當年都雷聲雨下不來的到現在為止都沒有報還是沒有報你要不要再跟他講一下好啊 |
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那個台美之間的ADTA是在去年的1月它的眾院就已經通過了參院沒有通過參院還沒有通過那當然我們也包含台灣的財政部還有美國財政部以及我們的住處在駐美代表處都運用各種機會去跟美方來表達包含企業界也透過各種機會你中委判斷什麼時候最樂觀什麼時候啦 |
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我想這個是涉及到美國的國內的國會的程序但是也要跟委員說明我們的財政部跟美方的財政部持續都在進行實質的討論對於未來國際文書的內容都已經在做實質的討論 |
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我們只是要跟他要一點東西回來這是很重要這是很重要我們也因為這樣子所以我們認為說要求我們去投資那你也要在付稅上給我們可以不可以期待今年比以前一定可以搞定 |
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那不要雙手喝水 這樣可以嗎期待可以 期待可以 但是定時沒有辦法總部長期待今年可以啦 這樣啦我希望委員的關切也表達我們國內的心聲你說國會議員都有關心啦是 表達我們國內心聲既然說媒體關係多好多好 這很簡單的解釋 來 |
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那個美國花生入台要降為零關稅目前在配額內25%人業部說這樣雲淡清風說這樣降1% 不是降1%為什麼現在目前只有1% 因為關稅25%配額內 配額外的1公斤64塊錢那在美國 待過往都知道美國花生很好吃 |
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大量好吃有一點鹽巴的味道很好吃你現在把它來的話所以雲林縣發生最大的慘地的立委啊不分男女啊都說你這是滅龍啊那我就問你 跟你有關係的你們這個案是不是確定要領關稅如果確定什麼時候送來立法院 |
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我們會等那個ART經過美國確認然後台灣通過ART這個相關的我們要這個條約締結條例通過以後那才會修正我們的海關進口稅責所以只要美國跟台灣的ART沒有通過這個那海關進口稅責當然就不會做這樣的修正嘛我們必須要有一個依據嘛部長我現在很認真在讀啊 |
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行政院跟立法院的ART版本跟USTR美國關稅總署所公佈的很大地方不一樣我們蓋牌蓋很兇啊花生也好馬鈴薯也好都蓋牌等不到這個訊息啊這個馬鈴薯跟你沒有關係啦關稅沒有降但是問題是發芽的馬鈴薯居然他的檢驗的標準檢驗做法大幅倒退花生就有影響了因為 |
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降為零關稅是你這裡要發動對不對 財政部要發動出來才有辦法變零關稅 對吧當時ART通過 經過大院通過以後我們的海關進口稅則是 行政院都沒有送來怎麼通過行政院版本ART版本都沒有送來立法院 我們怎麼通過要通過一天的喔我們再看下一個 現在來講的話這個台股的日成交量 |
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這個軍量啊 如果軍量破兆 幾乎都破兆了原來的預算 證交稅是2500億 它是based on每天的成交量4288億啦4288億 所以證交稅最少三倍以上 |
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你兩千五百億 三倍要去變七千五百億就多了五千億啊雖然你關稅減收 貨物稅減收來來來 請問一下關稅減收跟貨物稅減收總共減多少貨物稅署長在講什麼是指說那個穩定物價裡面減收的部分你們關稅減收跟貨物稅減收總共減收多少 |
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是指說從以前一開始從今年開始一今年開始我們一直是累計在算的因為它是從到三月底為止結束多少 |
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累計到關稅目前是多少 67億67億啊 所以不多啦我們增加5000億 增加稅增加5000億啊來 部長 我跟你講 那數字我們私底下check沒關係反正你 我們為了照顧民生 我們所撿的關稅差不多100億不到啦 |
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前三個月大概每個月大概差不多三十幾億左右減掉了一百億可以增加五千億啦前三個月按照這樣估算下來的話可以增加五千億 |
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又會超收稅數了這時候大家要吵來吵去你也不知道股市會這麼熱我們是不是乾脆因為又有立委提出來還稅移民的事情要不要乾脆定制度化你站不站成要不要還稅移民制度化 |
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沒有所謂的還稅愚民我們的稅都是按照法律來課徵的那如果說我們的實際的徵收數超過預算數的話那這個部分第一個在公債法裡面預算法裡面以及財政局法裡面都有規定 |
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都有規定另外一百一十五年度的預算案的稅客收入還沒有審定那在財委會審議的時候當然我們會看大院的審議的進行你講這個話喔你講這個話也是都是在放綠營貸款啊以前這樣講 |
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到最後院長決定要發就發了嘛所以這東西我不為難你啦你不敢做決定的但是我們覺得我個人覺得應該認真思考把它制度化啦制度化一方面也可以不許你估算過好一點二方面如果真的這樣子突然來一個話 |
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大爆發 很好啊 多收錢 但是這一部分多收錢還給老百姓嘛現在來講 我聽我講完現在來講說我們平均工資四萬八可是六成以上領不到啊大家重新分配一下給那個沒有投資股票市場的人或者投資不對的人給他一點點的這個feedback就一萬塊 |
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對於需要照顧的民眾都不遺餘力但是普發現金它並沒有分所謂需要照顧或者是它是高資產高所得者所以我們會透過預算的方式來給需要幫助的民眾最近有媒體報導股民收到長榮和運鼓勵的扣腳通知書兩次 |
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總共三十幾萬筆這到其他上市公司有沒有這個問題沒有沒有這樣的一個情況那今天我們在下班後就會做更正今天晚上就會做更正今天下班後我們的檔案就會清理因為長榮公司重複送了兩次這個是你們個別公司的問題還是你財政部的資訊中心的責任 |
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是個別公司他重複送了這個鼓勵的相關的媒體檔那所以今天晚上我們的財資中心會做更正檔其他都沒問題就是介紹了對是是是是的這個是確定的吼是的好謝謝謝謝委員是好謝謝下一位請郭國勇委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請財政部莊部長請財政部莊部長委員好部長好我想我隨著剛剛的問題繼續問台股在4月23號的時候報的最高的交易量是1.8兆那單單整個第一季我們就收到1237大概上半年可能就達標達到2501的這個年度目標 |
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那甚至如果再好下去搞不好就會double就是超收的部分可能是兩倍那現在在野黨一直想說要法制化那法制化常態化的情況底下要進一步二讀我想問一下部長你現在有沒有什麼因應的方式 |
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重點回答麻煩請我想這個部分我們還是要強調說明這個實際徵收的數超過預算數這個部分目前的預算法也好公債法也好財政紀律法也好都有相關的規定而且 |
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而且我覺得國家的財政韌性是非常重要如果說我們稅務的實際執行數超過預算數的話第一個我們要減少舉債減少舉債之外你剛剛講過就不用再重複了就譬如講很多中油的補貼啦台電的補貼啦這可以減少通膨啦或是日補日補勞保啦健保啦弱勢族群的津貼這應該比較優先吧我覺得你講這些反倒是會比較有說服力啦 |
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因為超收之後大家會有一些期待很正常那一直講說程序上一定要繳回國庫什麼那個其實在社會上根本沒有在對話我是建議你可能要調整一下第二個老舊的稅制真的要檢討部長老舊的稅制上次我們已經廢掉這一個娛樂稅我跟你講輿論反應非常的好數十年來所以老舊的稅制還有一個印花稅更需要廢掉 |
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運發稅基本邏輯都類似 不論是業界 行政院 立法院都主張廢除行政院還在108年還提出廢止案你看 每次都是地方政府在反對邏輯都一樣啊 跟娛樂稅邏輯都一樣啊問題是地方政府現在已經多拿到四千多億了那你要告訴我 現在已經電子化了為什麼弄一個統一發票還要用運發稅 |
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這說不過去嘛而且印花稅跟營業稅的性質又有重疊為什麼印花稅一年兩百億當中最終的來源就是金融業金融已經有金融營業稅了部長是不是也應該順著娛樂稅的邏輯把它廢掉這一個印花稅 |
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道理相同嘛對 我想印花稅的稅額會比娛樂稅高出很多沒有高很多啦 總共也不過是零點總共也不過是這個稅額可以算起來夯不啷噹也不過是兩百啦阿左站的佔比也是非常的低啦邏輯相同啦 不一支稅就應該廢除啊我們在邀同地方政府來做討論要求地方政府做討論每次都推給地方政府 地方政府很同意啦 |
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他們說的理由已經不存在了你就不應該再附和他們他們已經拿到四千多億了時空已經不同了條件也不同了說法也應該要不同啊部長 聖思啊 民變啊接下來還有一個啊 |
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這個國有土地的部分 國產署在這邊國產署的部分 清理了一下我覺得國產署這整個一整年的收益不到一千億我不是說要提高租金或幹嘛重點有兩層 曾署長你很認真但是還是有兩層被佔用或閒置我看了一下國產署第二期原本要清理17萬筆 |
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的這個土地那回收這個2.6萬公頃的佔用實際上清理了19萬筆收回了2.7公頃但是被佔用的2公頃只有下降到1.5公頃那為什麼也就是這6年當中新佔用新發現被佔用的土地高達2.2萬公頃曾署長 |
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一邊收回一邊又發現新的佔用方式那你這樣子一直輪迴你要收到什麼時候才會收得好啊難道沒有一辦法說新佔用不要增加然後舊佔用的可以清除不能用兩手進行嗎不然總數差別不大嘛 署長 |
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報告委員我想這個是本來就是一個是把那個源頭減少第二個是去化這個跟委員剛剛講的都一樣也跟委員報告因為國產署來源的土地有很多有一些像抵稅地進來的時候我一定是變成是佔用 |
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像抵稅地或無人繼承財產的因為原來的土地可能被這個抵稅的人他還沒有搬走或是沒有清空那對我來講就是占用請你給本席分類一下 |
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如果是底稅地所佔的比例可以高達2.2公頃的話那你發了問題如果不是的話有一些新增的項目可能是可以避免的你也要區分一下你要用AI的方式或無人機的方式用什麼方式去避免去清查有沒有可能 |
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是 委員說我們現在部長是國產署出身的啊跟委員報告我們現在比較大面積的部分國有土地比較集中我們現在都是用航拍的方式那航拍的話其實從空中依然無疑甚至有沒有證件建物都知道我想在這邊討論這個 |
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意義不大2.2公頃被新佔的這些分類跟比例你匯後給本席一份然後你要怎麼避免再增加你也把solution講出來這才有意義嘛好不好好可以嗎可以還有一個署長也是跟您業務有相關那部長應該也是內行你去看我們的台北之星閒置每年要花這個管理費啊高達千萬 |
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一戶啊 這一個每個月的管理費啊 大概都四萬 超過四萬你現在正義國宅的都跟那裡分為十八戶啊 結果都還沒有賣出去每天都在繳這一個管理費 每年加起來要交 只十八戶而已 就要交了一千萬一千萬就一個小公寓了 |
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那個署長你有沒有什麼方法單單你在台北市的蛋黃區案件啊我給你統計起來不是18戶總共有65件那本席要說的是說你這樣子的情況底下你賣不出去你負擔越來越重這是其一其二的部分是什麼其二的部分你除了豪宅列別之外有沒有蛋白區的或其他縣市的做一個整理 |
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那本席為什麼要你就做整理呢?你把這個整理出來之後你可以仿造什麼?仿造台灣經聯台灣經聯的部分以前啊只要一百戶都賣出八十幾戶現階段今年景氣算是最不好的喔我跟你講一個數字那一百戶沒多久就六十一戶賣完了 |
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就61戶那房子的這個價位都不同但是可以賣得很好為什麼一個免仲介費二來它比市價稍微低一點打了九二折這個有什麼不好這個一來呢政府就希望說呢能夠讓房價軟著陸這有軟著陸的一個帶動的效應這是第一 |
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第二部分目前這個央行也希望這個建商稍微讓利一下那這個變成一個示範的效果 |
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那個 楊經理說 你只要稍微讓利 你的量就出來了啊這個台灣經營中心 這個就很清楚啊 不是嗎所以說 署長 有沒有可能考慮一下你把台北市的物件的65件 再加上其他的物件 加總起來仿照台灣經營的模式 打個折 省個費用然後不要再承擔那些管理費用 這不就一舉多得了嗎 署長 |
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報告委員那個國有財產打折不像民間買賣說我賣不好我就再打折他有他的一定的程序譬如說我已經估價過三次他可能還是沒有辦法如期飆售我們可能會減個5%的方式 |
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那第二個就是像這種都跟分回來的那個一戶大概都上億啦現在這個市場大家也很難拍賣的出去所以我們也循著標租的方式那以前我們國產法規定房地標租一次只有五年那五年的時間那個人家要裝修根本沒辦法團體 |
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所以我們已經也修法了大概整個是20年你租都可以修法你售也可以稍微調整一下那個估價的部分我們會做適當的反映對啊你可以調整一下達到另外跟委員報告其他縣市的部分其實我們現在有打包方式用租給包租代管業再由包租代管業的最關鍵的還是把它售出去能夠平益這個房價才是對政策上比較有所幫助啦是對啦 |
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另外我們現在都更分回來已經交了200多戶給住都中心做分譽宅也就是說那種大概40坪以下的房子的部分那我們也是以社會住宅為主署長你的腦袋很聰明 |
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我認為最直接有效的方式就是採取台灣金聯的這種模式我建議你弄一個國產署的類台灣金融版的一種方式把你所投的這一些這個餘污把它做一個清理同時也可以達到這個平益這一個房價的效果本席對你的期待是這樣子的麻煩你回去好好思考一下可不可以我們再來研究相關研究一下好不好好 謝謝署長 謝謝部長 |
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謝謝 下一位諮詢委員 請林黛華委員諮詢好 我先請非財政部今天有請的官員 權序部李志明 李莊委主計總署陳淑平陳莊委 來 |
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請李志明專門委員陳淑芬專門委員不用緊張本席沒有要特別整理你們就是你知道的回答就好因為重點是財政部好 |
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來就全序部 來李專委這個只是一般常識你知不知道今天我們如果透過網購不管你有沒有網購的行為就你所知網購 譬如說我網購維他命進口你知道網購超過譬如說我網購保健食品維他命的保健食品這個品項啊這個最多不能超過幾瓶知道就知道 不知道就不知道 沒關係 |
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你不知道幾瓶好那你知道如果買不同種類的維他命不同的品項總計不可以超過幾瓶 |
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知道就知道 不知道就不知道不知道 很好OK來來 主計總處成熟品這個我們有時候這個藍牙耳機啦無線喇叭啊這種網購也很頻繁啊那你知道我要網購的時候有沒有年齡的限制我網購這些東西要有年齡的限制你知不知道知道的話是幾歲這不太清楚不清楚 好那你知道就算你知道你是滿18歲其實滿18歲 |
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那你一年只能總額你只能 比如說南亞你想送你的朋友你覺得這個無線網喇叭太好用了我要送給我的好朋友媽媽節也好 爸爸節也好那你知道你一年總數不可以超過幾部知不知道不知道好 來 兩個請回有請關務署署長那財政部長也一起請財政部莊部長 關務署 |
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彭署長我們政府有一個很便民是16年的Easy Way App你們今年3月1號有一個預認委託其實這是一個好的政策你知道這個預認委託我只要按確認以附確認之後人民有沒有法律責任 |
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包委員我們3月1號實施全面預委所謂全面預委那只要按了確認民眾按了確認就是業者推波你是不是確實購買這些東西民眾只要按確認他會有行政法上如果有不實的話所以我們兩位這個剛才權敘部跟土地總署他們兩個要網購馬上都處罰 |
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馬上 因為他一直想說買啊 網購啊跨境 我講的是跨境 不是國內跨境網購他從日本買 他從馬來西亞買網購進來然後因為他不知道相關的規定他就觸法 你說有觸法 |
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好來部長那我們就一起來聽一下報告委員可不可以稍微補充一下因為他這個會透過報關業者來跟海關申報報單報關業者都很知道說這個東西必須要NCC的規定或者是要食藥族的規定他透過你這個EZ位你透過EZ位其實就是簡化了我可以自主報關了 |
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包委員他只是簡化委任的程序而已以前我們的委任是紙本那因為跨境電子商務的關係我們開放了讓民眾有多一個選擇可以用這個easy way那只是確認委任關係那有沒有預警的機制呢在他購買的時候他就知道我其實不用超過我的網購其實一個品項最多是12品 |
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我買了第13瓶你就處罰了我知不知道說我總計不可以超過36瓶各個品項他不知道你可不可以在這個easy way當中去預告為什麼我要等到報關的時候我錢都付了我還要被罰我錢都付了我不能報關進來 |
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本席有一些建議您就聽好了針對跨境網購以及全台百萬人的民生日品這也是你們提供資料網購的數量多多從112年5500多件113年6件到去年114年7000多件7063萬件 |
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好那大部分的不管是逐年增加這當中80%都是來自中港那這個政府呢這個Easy Way的初衷是防度冒名報關保護消費者權益這是對的因為我們這之前太多 |
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無名包裹太多的這個無名包裹進來了那也太多是冒名購買所以你們會解決這兩件事情好你們就這個三元業就委任預先委任所以呢但是殘酷的事實是我盲目點擊之後啊責任就全包了人民就要全負責這樣的法律責任Easyway已經不是一個認真工具它還是進口前的一道數位準博的關卡卻只問民眾這是不是你要買的 |
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卻沒有提醒民眾這東西會不會違法好 那我就以這個案例這個已經發生過 四百元的沉木如果訂下去之後 其實民眾不知道我只是買了一兩個天然水族造景的沉木啊結果要被罰多少錢 三萬塊 |
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所以民眾眼中的生物好物在海關眼中是因施減異物你卻要要求民眾具備專家的法規才是這個是不是行政怠惰呢 |
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好那在這邊跨部會的民工你關務署其實是整合各部會因為你可以知道這個貨品貨品可能來自各部會生活好物如何變成違法的證物如果以房檢署來講日常的網購我會購買聖誕家具啊我會購買木家具啊在政府的眼中你只要一按下 |
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這個預認委託 不好意思 你就會犯了可能會犯了因失檢疫的職務你可能被罰3到15萬 如果是像這種非洲豬瘟那這沒話講 就是高罰 罰20萬那如果針對食藥署 可能民眾會犯的就是維他命啊 血氧劑啊 低周波的這個治療劑可是呢 只要一按下的時候 你馬上可能會有這個醫療器材限量的藥品 |
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而且是要三萬塊起跳那這剛才本席都已經問過那包括藍牙耳機無線網購他既有年齡又有總量的限制他不曉得所以對房間署食藥署都知道風險公務署知道 貨名公務機關全部知道唯獨人民是蒙在鼓裡的所以依照行政程序法第八條 部長 |
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第八條說 誠信信用原則與說明義務這是官員 我們政府的責任政府要求民眾按下這個EZ位確認卻語蠻確認後的法律風險 構成嚴重的行政瑕疵好 那這樣的一個案件剝奪民眾合法的辯護權 |
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這個圖右邊你只要按下去確認申報相符是你自己按確認的你會告訴人民是你自己按申報相符的所以是你自己要去查清楚可是我們的行政法法第八條卻是保障人民的民眾不知法規的時候是得減輕或免除處罰的權利的 |
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所以你看這兩個是抵觸的喔那所以11位變成了政府最強大的法律法庭證據民眾暗下的不是確認而是放棄了自己不知情的法律辯護權政府說這是數位轉型這其實是數位卸責 |
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好 那本席就有這樣的一個建議希望你的伊利衛既能夠辨明那也能夠快速那又能夠讓人民也知道這個法的一個陷阱在哪裡讓他自己做一個判斷系統重構打造透明的數位環環四個步驟那部長你等下要回應第一個建立跨部會高風險關鍵字的資料庫 |
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第二個一是因為預先委任的介面增設風險市景第三個強制曝光業者要提升什麼樣的品質獲名跟揭露的品質第四個建立低價值出販的前置化處置的機制好一一說明第一個高風險簡易獲名的資料庫的借接我就以這個為例那房檢署呢他你們要去洽房檢署因為這資料只有來自他們將房檢署的 |
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因屍檢異物的名錄轉化為關鍵字譬如沉木 種子 蜘蛛 肉製品 寵物食品等等經過這個應用界面之後你們公務署就把各部會這個是農業部的房間署食藥署的什麼藥品那比如說NCC所管制的有哪些高危險的 |
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的這個關鍵字都輸入你會整個部會之後到你這邊來你就交給你們的這個資料庫跟報關系統進行即時的比對過濾然後自然到手機當中我去做預認委託的時候我就知道這些預警的機制那請你們不要告訴我說你們做不到因為民間外送的APP的應用介面每天都在串接變更 |
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這樣的技術是非常成熟的所以政府的系統也不應該停留在這個時期的這個時代好那第二個這個要求呢偵測這個風險比如說我打上沉木下面我就一個獄警了 |
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這是本席的一個不一定要你們可以做得比我更好那我就是把我的想法用這樣的呈現我打上一個沉默好 這邊就講說此沉默可能涉及什麼什麼什麼法規喔你會罰多少錢喔你聲明說我已閱讀並了解上述風險賦予民眾真正的知情同意權在人民犯錯之前先把風險講清楚好 第三個要求我們阻斷模糊作為規避的手段 |
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通常官包含未求快速長椅雜貨 飾品等通報導致關鍵是過濾失效所以只要是這種這種模糊的我就拒絕預先委任那你官務署呢也在系統當中的系統端設定強制規範當使用模糊貨品的時候EZ位系統就自動攔截 |
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要求他你補充精確描述否則呢我就不能予以預先的委任流程譬如說講雜貨我就寫說木製白品就清楚了好再來第四個要求盡力符合比例原則的階梯式處置像現在就直接你按確認直接就重罰那我是不是也有一個階梯式的處置先預先預警 |
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再來就是這個前置的止損尤其對於自然能出犯低價值小量自用沒有公共危害的那當然我們是不是有一個前端止損的機制呢最後才精準裁罰好 最後 |
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這樣子的建議如果你們採納會讓數位門牌一個只是一個好像是一個便捷的一個美意措施只是沒有讓反而讓人民成為這個數位陷阱這樣的數位門牌能夠升級為數位門神而且本席要求這樣的easy way是可以讓誰用既然你們變名就變名徹底跨境網購者 |
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實體跨境買賣賣者以及隨身吸物入境者我在買的時候我光光啊我看到這個是植物座的皮包啊植物座的可能一些什麼樹葉什麼很好看的一個林委員時間已經超過很久了好 |
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不好意思主席那真的這樣隨身吸物者他也可以在買的時候就先我這個報關會不會有什麼風險所以這樣數位門牌者定位到數位門神的定位從經訪報名報關可以定位成這個跨物競風險 |
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只要跨境購物的曝光風險我都可以讓人民知道你使用者現在是盲目的確認未來的使用是知情同意現在的狀況是跨部會資訊的資訊孤島未來是數據整合然後治理的結果是後端懲罰我們是前端的防護那最後我要求你們三個月試辦六個月完全實施那因為時間也到那最後 |
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也希望讓議會成為真正成為邊境的數位門神政府斷鏈的橫向連結不該成為人民的罰款所以政府的數位轉型不應該只是讓政府更快的查緝跟開罰應該讓真正的數位政府能夠幫貨品進口前先把問題擋下來開罰之前給人民一次避免違規的機會部長您回應一下那個要順便回應啦時間超過很多了 |
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六個月 因為我們還要找其他機關來研議請我們質詢的同仁 尊重財政委員會站起來之後就一定要在幾十秒內結束不要這樣子多餘時間啦我們這裡不是以前你的經濟委員會啊下一位 請劉書斌委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 那有請財政部莊部長請財政部莊部長好 部長好現在已經快要到報稅季了那今年有好幾項的稅制改革看到的是長照特別扣除額的上限調高由12萬變到18萬元照顧到有長照需求的這樣家庭但本席發現 |
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在所得稅的現行的部分17條規定有關於養兒育女的這個特別扣除適用對象只包含撫養到大專院校以上跟幼兒學前教育的子女的這個人但是獨立的包含國民基本教育的也就是 |
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6到18歲學子的這個撫養人那本席跟台灣民眾黨的黨團已經提出了一個修法的主張是說將6到18歲的 |
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想問的是部長 |
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根據這樣子的一個我們這個方向呢你是否想要就是來去支持像台灣民眾黨這邊的優化國人感染的一個生活環境請問部長的意見 |
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跟委員報告對於綜合所得稅裡面的我們的優化其實持續都在做那這邊的相關的提案其實政府除了在租稅部分以外還有其他非租稅的工具都進行相關的補助跟補貼我想這個第一個要說明那第二個我們知道現在來說我們的所有的綜合所得稅裡面的扣除額占總所得的這個扣除額占總所得的扣除額達到了百分之四十幾也就是說其實 |
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有大多數的所得已經都不需要課所得稅而且裡面有44%的申報戶是免繳稅的所以你這邊扣除這麼多免繳稅的一個申報戶其實它也是用不到它原來就免繳稅了你增加扣除它也是也不需要再繳稅那所以這個部分呢所以其實政府為了減輕民眾的負擔同時因應所謂的少子化的一些對策減輕民眾負擔對於許多有關的 |
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對於青年朋友們的資助是相當多的雖然是國民基本教育因為我們還有在國中的部分就還有7個人他是念的是私立的國中然後另外這個人數上面以私立小學來講有4.8萬的人還有7.9萬的是私中的學生數那私立高中值的學生數得到29.5萬這部分30年每條事實上 |
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那不只是感生啊 現在還要感癢啊這部分應該是可以去支持的方向啊您剛剛有提到 但是這部分30年不調 難道不需要去做調整嗎委員 我比較建議是我們應該把目前政府所採取的諸項措施統合來看 |
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也就是政府對於青年朋友們在就學裡面相關的一些補助我們把它統合來看而不只是就針對某一項的稅額的一些特別扣除來做討論那剛剛也提過了其實我們總繳稅裡面其實有302萬戶它是根本就沒有在繳稅的那你增加這個扣除對它是沒有實質的一個效益所以我建議委員我們還是會把所有政府目前推動的許多的一些措施來把它統合來看 |
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因為政府的在稅出裡面不管社會福利也好 教育文化支出事實上是佔稅出比例的第一名跟第二名的在這個稅出的部分其實已經在做這些相當多的事情了好 我們希望啦當然是用全部的這個平衡去看但是我們提出的意見到時候在 |
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財政委員會的你們討論之後再來去交換意見因為這邊我們提出了這個意見當然看來說來說這一部分有他的一個必須要共同的討論的部分那另外我們再看到是下面一個在促參案當中今年的看到了114年在3月份呢 |
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財政部在公布了114年的民間參與公共建設促參的這個簽約案的成果看起來是蠻豐碩的全年的簽約案有達到160件投資金額達到3807億元雙雙改寫新歷史新高但是我們看到的實際的執行狀況呢立法院的預算中心報告就指出來了到114年8月的時候呢那個促參案的提前終止的 |
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的那個比例已經達到12.33%然後呢 每八案就有一案他是在做這個解約那我們看到112年到113年是微幅在上升每年平均都是大概有12%的提前增值率這是不是代表可能不是個案 而是一個制度性的失靈喔而且財政部並沒有公佈到解約跟解約的清單是什麼還有事敗是原因什麼 那請問部長您這邊的一個說明是什麼 |
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謝謝委員那我想您剛剛對我們114年的一個民間參與案件的一個肯定謝謝那另外對於提前終止解約的情形我們也做了一個分析首先就是說從91年到101年也就是促參案的前10年它解約比率確實有18.51但是呢從101年以後到102年到今年的3月它已經下降到7.15%這是一個數字那另外呢我們你們是從長篇 |
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我們要分開來看 因為在其次我們要去分析它的原因對 原因是什麼 你有公告出來嗎我們都有去分析它的原因 那分析原因出來之後我們必須要怎麼樣的方式來強化避免中職解約 包含我們有一個輔導 也就是說在 |
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還沒有招標之前 前置作業的時候其實我們現在有個促參專案辦公室來協助主辦機關研擬一個比較可行的以及對於審標的時候它的財務是具有可行性有的是過於樂觀 其實到執行的時候事實上沒有辦法達到這樣的一個財務平衡所以我們在事前會做相關的輔導 |
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以及協助事中如果雙方達分造成履約的爭議的話我們在出差法的修法裡面已經增加了一個財政部有個調解小組的會議那麼如果說你們之間有爭議我們就到調解來這邊調解會來處理我們邀請了專家學者及各方的一些專家們來 |
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協助包含法律的工程的財務的我們希望把他們的爭議能夠解決讓主辦機關不要心中害怕因為主辦機關是公務員他們最害怕的是所謂的圖利如果說他不一直這樣堅持下去的話可能會有後續的圖利那我們透過調解會透過客觀的協助他們 |
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我希望說這方面是繼續進行因為我們看到的是 以去年到1C3到1C4看到他說中間就已經累積到126.5億他14件這樣子的累積增加這個數字在這邊希望透過你們剛剛已經有做的這邊開始這個公告的這些的前期的改變步驟能夠做好這部分 |
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那我希望說這部分是不是可以給本席因為我們沒有看到公告的這樣子的一些相關的這個一個這種的評估啊融資啊或是說檢討的這樣的措施是不是給本席這樣子的一個報告我們可以給委員一個報告我們大概三星期你的內容兩個禮拜之內可以嗎我想是不是給我們一點時間因為 |
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而且你們這個清單也沒有公告啊已經有這麼多件了耶那我們就一個月給您一個報告好嗎而且這部分是非常重要的我們看到這個效果而且它集中在哪些部門哪些的項目也是都續約在裡面喔我們都有分析我們都有做一些分析跟分析來了解原因是哪裡來改進 |
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我希望要報告那後來的這些部門他如果沒有公他出來已經解約對不對那後續的公共利益的部分呢這個約是怎麼處理的啊當然您說如果終止解約以後後續這個公件要如何繼續推動這個部分我們也有一個分析的統計對如果你沒有這樣做包括什麼土地閒置啊什麼文質館之類的事實上還沒有訴訟這種出現呢是是我們會把它分類給您一個詳細的報告包括比例也要給這非常重要的情況好的好謝謝謝謝委員是 |
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我們繼續再往下看還有一個部分就是在於棄屍犬跟我們看到的是棄屍犬在關係日本關係發生非常大的一個效果但是在台灣的部分棄屍犬在關稅署這邊他們一個月的薪水是我說薪水這個棄屍犬的薪水2.9萬 |
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但是對於在農業部裡面的房檢署的檢疫權他們是15萬大概是部長的薪水的四分之三這部分有什麼差異是不是要說明一下我們是不是請署長來跟您報告那個委員提到那2.9萬指的是棄屍權 棄毒權棄毒權 |
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一隻的就是說培養的費用還是沒有沒有是在一個月的他的薪水啦薪水我們國國沒有薪水他一個月他的一個月他的費用要去支付的費用我們看到的數據是這樣子養一隻企圖犬培養培育一隻企圖犬大概每個月要付出多少錢對對這數字容我再精準你算一下再跟委員報告 |
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我們一年編列企圖犬的預算是大概只有1000多萬而已啦這整個園區整個企圖犬我們有一百多隻要培育那最終能成為企圖犬的都是很少數的 |
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所以好那你這之後再給報告因為你可能要去比較一下跟農業部裡面的房檢犬這邊的差異性好嗎檢疫犬 檢疫犬它是委外經營的我們是自己同仁去在那個後里的犬訓中心我們自己培育的是好那這部分我希望說看到說這個差異性好不好就是跟做一個報告給本席看看是兩個差異為什麼差到這麼多好嗎好的好好一個禮拜之內可以嗎 |
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有請財政部部長財政資訊中心主任請財政部專部長財政資訊中心張主任 |
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部長我想請教就是說長期以來財政部在面對國家的收入的一個問題的時候最關注也是最用心的一直都是稅收的問題不論是景氣的好壞 政策的調整 甚至減稅措施的一個推動 |
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財政部第一時間都是關心的就是說稅收會不會造成衝擊國庫收入會不會減少那這個也是你最積極的態度稅收確實是國家最重要也是最穩定的一個財源那關於最大的一個問題是國家收入的一個來源從來不是只有稅收單一個稅收除了稅收還包括國有財產的一個活化的應用 |
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還有公股事業的一個投資跟收益還有它的股息紅利的一個腳庫甚至整體資產的一個配置所帶來的長期的一個回饋 |
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那人家比較有意見的就是說你向人民收錢這個這件事情上你非常積極也非常的謹慎那可是在替國家賺錢這件事情相對就是寬鬆了那部長我們看把時間 |
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往後看看到純公股行庫的一個績效這個績效如果我們從2022年我們看台銀、土銀還有輸出入銀行的部分那我們看到純公股行庫的績效為什麼一路下滑那換公股行庫到了2026是突然下滑 |
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這個每年的投資股息紅利換工股行庫以前都是一路穩定的成長那為什麼在2026突然間下滑呢那請那個部長說明一下 |
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跟委員報告有對於有關供股行庫以及存國營的部分的繳庫的部分我們也要跟委員報告當然我們會督促他們第一個他們要遵守法尊那其次呢怎麼樣的能夠獲取比較好的一個利益獲利的部分提高但是我們也要跟委員報告的我們的國營跟犯供股行庫其實他擔負了相對的一些 |
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那個政策性的一個任務在做它跟民營銀行就不一樣所以您看到很多的政策性的工作都是由我們的公股行庫在做譬如說新青安新青安他們就自行吸收半碼這樣的一個部分 |
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那它在獲利上就跟民營銀行不一樣那所以當然我們要督促他們這個近三年你的心清安還有就是說你這個就是疫情的這個振興還有就是我們 |
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你所謂的就是我們中那個就是川普的一個那個關稅所以都有一些政策性的一個補助可是當我們看到公股行庫裡頭出現大盤走勢越高的時候換公股賺的錢越來越少這好像是一個指標那財政部你怎麼好好經營這些換公股行庫呢 |
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范工股行庫當然財政部是屬於股權的管理那我們會交付這些負責人就是董總門他必須要對於做好公司的治理同時追求獲利那另外因為我們可以知道不管是金控都是獲利主要來自銀行 |
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那除了銀行存放的利差的賺取收益之外其實他應該在其他的部分也要能夠業務的部分比如說其他的信用卡或等等其他的銷經等業務都要能夠成長所以證券也好票券也好因此我們希望他們能夠除了 |
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有一個雙引擎除了銀行這個之外另外你要能夠對自己的強項的部分要能夠成為一個領頭羊的一個然後跟民營能夠有一個競爭力這個部分是我們一直督促我們的公股行庫在做的事情那他們也很努力的在做部長 |
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如果這樣子講的話你的供苦行庫的一個獲利的能力顯然出現了很大的一個問題喔那在過去五年幾乎就是說你的供苦行庫的一個執行力每況愈下你不能一直講說你不能一直講說他們配合一些政策性啊那顯然就是說這些供苦行庫他的獲利的能力是非常差的啊 |
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其實他們也沒有就是說其實很努力也沒有說差到非常的差啦我想這個部分我們有一些報表也許可以提供給委員看 |
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相關的一些統計報表可以給委員了解我這裡有特別跟你提醒這是那個天下雜誌它所做的一個報導從2017年2月公股銀行存款被民營款鈔了以後此後就是再沒有翻轉的一個能量了從2017年那如果像部長你所講到的就是說 |
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所講到的就是說供股行戶他有一些公益的問題他需要去配合需要去宣傳所以會造成他的獲利的一個問題好那我們拿到最近期我們國票金的主導權到底是加分還是風險你去管了內部你說 |
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財政部的說法是解決內鬥強化公司的治理提升了決策的一個效率在上一次有其他的委員問你可是我其實想問你就是說公股管理的績效如果持續的下滑獲利的能力它一直沒有提升 |
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預算的執行力又偏低的話那你覺得是內鬥的問題嚴重還是國票軍更需要那個擔心獲利的表現更差的這個問題呢那你財政部怎麼打打算你如何正衰起這個是一個我們想聽的你怎麼樣改善公股行庫的一個腳褲的表現啊 |
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有關國票金這個部分國票金目前是第一銀行跟核庫銀行在裡面各派一位董事然後推薦一位獨董那他們的股東大會是在5月29號才會召開那29號召開以後會選出新的一個董事這個席次那這個部分要等到529選完以後大概的一個相關的一個團隊才會明朗化大概是這個部分 |
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財政部有什麼打算你增加了這麼多人你指派了這麼多的一個董事那你對國票軍有什麼樣的一個期待財政部並沒有直接去投資所謂的國票軍都是相關的公股銀行去有關投資那未來他們都聽你的這些董事都是某種程度上 |
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這個不能說是你指派的可是都是要經過你授權你同意的啊那相關的指派的董總的人的席次部分是按照行政院有關相關的規定部分是由行政院核定部分是財政部核定那要等到5月29號國東大會選完以後 |
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相關董事會的成員組成以後才會做後續的一個相關的處理我想請教你就是說現在你指派了你把這個就是董事的這個人事權你做了一些調整你有把握在未來國票金就是一定會賺錢 |
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有沒有辦法這麼肯定的現在也是賺錢啊可以賺更多的錢未來經營團隊成立以後當然他必須要強化公司治理讓這個公司能夠穩健的經營 |
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穩健的經營還是沒有回答我的問題午夜報稅的報稅季來臨了在這裡請教部長在傳統的報稅的現場其實已經越來越少了現在大概有超過八成以上會透過電腦還是手機手機有三種登錄的方式 |
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那在電腦上面我們就是筆電它有六種登入的方式啦那顯然顯然就是說越來越多人利用就是科技的方式來報稅那在這裡我想那個請教就是說財政部有沒有考慮像普花現金一樣就是用身份證字號加健保卡的卡號認證的方式來報稅呢 |
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跟委員報告現在就有我們在有關這個報稅網路報稅已經甚至走到手機報稅已經越來越便捷化的那有多元的方式讓在安全的前提之下是越來越便捷可是健保卡的卡那個卡號的一個認證報稅的方式你們去年在那個幾大超商你們是有推動喔今年又改掉了為什麼會改掉呢因為Kiask的變動我想這個部分中心的主任來說明一下好不好主任 |
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因為超商的Kiask事務機它有安全的考量健保卡目前為了提升它的安全考量它是希望Kiask能夠配合升級那因為Kiask全省有一兩萬台 |
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資安的考量嘛 主任說你們這一次把它抽掉了那我在這裡請教你就是說電腦報稅到底有多少的比例手機報稅有多少的比例手機的一個報稅有沒有越來越多呢它佔了多少手機的報稅現在大概是越來越高大概是260萬左右 |
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260萬那佔了你的那個總報稅是幾%大概是40%40%那有60%有60%是用那個電腦報稅好到了最後一頁我想就是也跟那個部長 |
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那個就是再提醒一下我有一個要求就是說你手機報稅的抽獎跟統一花票中獎的一個通知財政部要研擬那個黃煥跟仙島的一個作為避免民眾因此而受騙一個月提出書面的一個回覆好 謝謝好 這個證照在辦理 謝謝來 謝謝賴委員下一位諮詢委員請李燕秀委員諮詢 |
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請財政部莊部長、國有財產署專屬長 |
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館長好 部長好 我們股市不錯所以包括我們的有價證券也好還有包括我們現在在國有財產署底下的資產最近都越來越多 增幅也不少 |
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所以在這邊我今天主要的議題還是繞著這兩件事情來跟部長討論我們現在國有財產的總值將近達到13兆有價證券也是四年來大幅增加了七成我們整個國家我們整個在地底下的資產至於我們國家的核心資產配置已經從過去都是以土地為主現在轉為土地跟證券這兩件事都有 |
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帳面上的數字很好看但是這也意味著我們國家的核心資產高度的包括暴露在我們現在金融市場的波動當中我先談到我們的有價證券部長我們的有價證券達到5兆多的有價證券我們除了有被動的利息之外到底有沒有設定包括在風險控管或資產的重要分配有沒有一個這樣的機制包括風險控管或資產的重分配的機制 |
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是在裡頭委員報告啊 這個國有財產下面的有價證券這最主要是有各部會它有金管的有價證券我知道啊 部長我到現在你一定會這樣跟我講那另外 對 但是部長我要跟你講雖然這些證券分佈在各部會底下但是我們根據我們國有財產法第九條的規定重禮國有財產事務第十一條規定公用財產必須要接受財政部的監管 |
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就是說這些有價證券即便散落在各部會但是一個股市或者一個國際事件大波動我們整個國家資產啪一聲就有可能影響非常大我這樣的邏輯你應該聽得懂所以這件事情我覺得 |
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總是要有一個綜合管理的單位在裡頭雖然這些有價證券散落在各部會但是我們應該有一些核心的政策大方向否則來了一個國際的大事件或者是發生了什麼國際的戰爭跟局勢 |
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我們的整個國有財產的資產無論是在證券的部分它可能就下滑所以策略上我們不是只有被動的領襲我們應該要有什麼樣的管理的核心的概念跟方向這應該要有部長你了解我的意思嗎 |
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所以你不能只是當一個會計部你是做你國家的財務長包括從土地的層面包括這些有根據法規根據我們現在國有財產法的第11條所以我覺得管理的責任大方向你是有發話權的部長你同意嗎 |
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報告國有財產的處理他跟一般民間在處理自己的私有財產是不一樣也就是說比如說以國產署來說他管理國有非公用土地他在土地的部長你不要浪費我的時間我等一下會跟你討論這一塊我現在要跟你討論的第一塊是 |
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有價證券有價證券裡面各機關他所擁有的比如說國科會他有所謂的技術移轉他取得的股權也就是說他的研發成果以後轉成股權我現在就說你包括在你各部會底下 |
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全國大概有五 就是說各部位底下有五兆的有價資產嘛證券資產嘛那我們政府對於這些有價資產有沒有一個核心的管理概念我們不能只是被動的領襲啊發生一個大局勢大事件可能不會好的時候要不要賣或者做什麼樣的處理我們應該有一些核心的核心的一些處理的方式那根據法規我看到應該是你管理啊所以就是說我覺得包括遇到系統性的金融風暴 |
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如果導致這5兆的資產價值有可能腰斬對於國庫的一些管理的金融能力包括舉債空間它也有可能造成聯繫性的衝擊所以包括未來在策略性的持股包括是不是要長期持有或者是短中長期的有一些規劃我都認為我們應該要有一些評估的機制我們都會要求在底下公股銀行民間銀行民營的金控公司我們會要求一個 |
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資本市主力的要求包括要強制執行但是對於我們國有的有價證券我們卻沒有這樣子的規劃跟要求所以我認為這件事情包括民間的金控公司金管會也好我們都會要求它風險揭露你看到我的圖表它必須完整透明那我們的風險揭露在哪裡既然我們有法規財政部底下要做這些統管我們有一個法規在裡頭就是你要統管 |
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那我們核心的方向到底是什麼 我們有沒有做過壓力測試 我們有沒有風險揭露 我們有沒有做資本市主率的評估 我們都沒有所以這一塊 部長 我覺得啦 方向上即便散落在各部會 我覺得我們不能只是被動的領袭 |
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對於這些散落在各部會裡面將近有5兆的這些有價證券我覺得我們應該去做一些風險評估還有包括跨部會的壓力測試到底他們都做什麼樣的處理總是要有一個人知道嘛賣了也沒人知道那本來有賺錢就放到賠錢也沒人知道所以我覺得要有一個管理的方向這是第一點我要做的建議所以我希望在這一點未來怎麼去做處置跟處理既然有法規 |
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你重禮國有財產事務第十一條規範公有事務接受財政部的監管那你就要有一些方向出來我希望在兩個月之內我希望部長可以提供你們到底對於在這件事情上你的角色到底你打算怎麼去做處理不管是你到最後或者行政再去跟院長做報告這些事情有沒有一些核心的管理的方向出來 |
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要一個SOP出來接下來我要談一下就是我們非公用的土地活化的部分我們現在在預算裡面我們有一個預算6年我們編了11.3億對於被佔用的非國有的公用不動產有一些清理計畫我看到我們這幾年我們非公用的土地從 |
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20萬公頃我們增加了我們成長了20對不起2萬多公頃增加27000多公頃增加7499公頃對不對這相當於10個大安森林公園這麼大看起來我們清除的計畫做得不錯那個部長 |
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我們各部會都在要求永續環境管理包括你下禮拜去參加亞營的活動也應該也會涉及談到永續ESG也會有這類的角色在裡頭對不對 部長所以這個事情不是我們就要求民間做我們自己也要做我們土地回收這麼多都沒有管理 拿來做養蚊子 |
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然後每次颱風來了走山我們蓋一塊布上去部長回收回來的土地你清除了之後不活化不活用然後餵在那邊養蚊子我覺得是哪門子的永續啊 |
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我容許簡單的說然後等會兒由署長再來做詳細說明其實國有非公用土地在活化運用有它的一個原則第一個我們如果是要保育這個活化的部分然後具體的要求這個部分是不是由署長來跟您做更詳細的說明 |
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他的業務非常的熟悉我希望能夠全面盤點目前閒置分兩塊具有開發價值的還有沒有開發價值的具有開發價值的非公用土地我們到底我們有什麼樣活化專案要處理然後盤點我要問你說需要多少時間我希望等一下可以回覆我另外我希望提出具體的KPI時間表這是我第一個要求 |
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第二個 回收的土地 我們清理 佔用 公用的土地回收不是收回來 繼續放在他那邊長草你要不沒有利用價值的 你也做一些綠化讓民眾走過去 變成很舒服的公園 看到花花草草你現在變成登革熱 要里長志工去清 |
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你變成是地方上的負擔那個颱風天來了那個樹倒下來了你說這個是屬於地方的權責土地是中央的然後叫地方為了一棵樹積聚掉上去要多花了三四十萬我們每次會堪沒有人要去清但是樹掉下來了就是民眾受害所以你只有邊清理的費用長期的維護管理美化你不做 你說中央沒有錢 |
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你中央哪沒有錢啊 我看到光是有價證券就這麼多土地活化 該做都更的 你也做都更當然我覺得你可以有更積極的作為但是你不能只拿土地去賣錢 該活化管理閒置的 不好賣不好處分的碰到颱風天的 你就推卸責任我現在看到的是這樣子的狀況所以 署長委員能不能讓我說明一下 |
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所以我覺得國有財產的活化不能只是喊口號我們沒有喊口號我們有很多具體的做法包括有一些譬如說臨時短暫還沒有開發利用就做停車場或有地方來認養公園那有些偏遠的地方現在也有環保團體來認養那我們今年有六個OECD我要平行你那但是沒有人在認養我平行你 |
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6971.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
6971.924 |
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好 我們請財政部這邊用書面回答謝謝謝謝委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
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來 下一位諮詢委員 請林思明委員好 謝謝主席 主席有請部長請財政部莊部長部長早 |
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7049.323 |
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部長,最近宮古航庫內部集合管理真的是弊端成初啊!牽涉彰化商營北投分行王姓男職員私自預蓋客戶的硬件分次挪用帳戶內近30萬元的存款又有兆豐金融票券某分公司的協力性侵女性部署 |
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7050.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7077.894 |
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而一直到該名狼血裡被列為升遷名單中才被內部人檢舉整件事情才爆發出來了我想我們政府一直在宣傳防詐一直在宣傳要推廣性平但結果我們銀行內部或者是我們的票據公司才真的成為一個犯罪的溫床 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7092.406 |
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我想請問這兩個案件除了已經移送檢調方面來偵查起訴以外身為主管機關尤其是國庫署有對涉案者做出任何額外的懲處嗎 |
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7123.21 |
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這個部分不會是國庫署第一個就是說由各銀行的負責人或金庫的負責人必須要去做嚴正的處理那對於有這樣的查有這樣的行為基本上都是嚴格的處分那甚至就是把它解釋掉這是一個那第二個我們對於公股行庫的負責人如果公司內部的一些管理的一些不妥的話我們在考核裡面對這個部分的扣分是增加成提高的 |
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也就是說請各工股行庫的負責人必須要強化內部的管理所以那個針對這兩個案子這是一個原則性的問題啦剛才部長提的都是原則性的問題但是我想針對這兩個個案我們整個內部的管控集合流程以及職員的性別的道德訓練是出了哪些問題我們要做出事後的檢討 |
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尤其是那個兆豐票券的案子,職場的性別暴力它變成是一個結構性的問題受害者為了工作選擇噤聲而是到這個加害人在體制的掩護之下他升官發財之後,內部才有人去做出檢舉 |
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所以有沒有調查說相關的其他的高階主管機關有沒有這個護航要不要去負責讓這一位能夠性侵的這個主管還能夠去升官啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7198.19 |
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難道這個有沒有去做調查啦這個案子有沒有做調查這個案子是有做調查的然後兆豐的這個部分我們要求就是說申訴的機制一定要透明跟暢通有做調查 那這個懲處結果出來沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7224.524 |
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呃 懲處結果應該出來 這一定有一個時間啦對 有一定的時間嘛 沒關係我們是不是把懲處的報告 相關報告跟改善的進行提供給委員 是 改善了一個相關的一個計畫能夠提供 兩個禮拜提供給本席都可以嗎 可以啦 是的 是部長 我接下來請問那個同意發票的獎金追回的議題齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
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7248.453 |
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那我想之前民眾有透過手機條碼收集超過1500張的小額元端發票並對領其中10張中獎發票但是因為不符一般消費的習慣方式可以取得大量發票提高中獎率所以國稅局認為不符合結獎規定最後相關的獎金被依統一發票結獎辦法第15條規定追回 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7251.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7271.589 |
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那麼關於統一發表中獎查核機制的一個透明以及查核的一個合理性因為我們的相關法條是規定不予透明就不透明所以這個是不是有檢討改進的必要我來就教一下部長部長我們先看一下數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
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根據財政部114年度的派查異常案件總共有2030件其中實際認定需追回獎金的案件為592件佔比約29%而其中小額發票異常的僅有131件佔追回案件的22.13% |
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金額更只有64萬佔整體追回金額229萬元的27.9%換句話說政府投入的時間成本以及查核資源最後追回的金額規模實在是非常有限 |
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目前是事後查核在進行追回但是程序曠日廢時甚至有時候要進入溯源流程形同高成本低效率的情況所以部長我們憲政的制度是先給獎再追回 |
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7360.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
導致我們行政機關要動用大量的人力進行事後的查核但最後的金額僅僅數百萬元然後官方的說法是為了要符合公益性但是以預算執行的角度而言是否已經出現成本高於效益的一個情況你花了那麼大量的成本去查人力去查實務執行的部分我是不是可以請那個署長來跟您說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7384.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
跟委員報告說先委員有提到說可不可以事先事先開講的時候就去防範因為我們開講是要及時而且是要普遍開所以原則上是沒有辦法說我先過濾然後再去開講而且它是可能同一個講號其中有一些人利用這種方式去處理所以這是第一個目前實務上做不到 |
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第二個就是剛剛委員特別關切到說這樣的摧毀機制到底符不符合成本效益的問題那我想主要是因為這是影響到我們消費者的中獎權益如果是不該中獎把獎金拿走了那其他人應該要中獎的人不就會減少了機會嗎所以我們是要維護一個 |
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7429.165 |
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一個公平性對 我想你們的為了公義性公平性你們的想法是很正確但是我現在的問題點是在於說依照統一發票給獎辦法第15條第三項目前對於這種不合常規交易收集大量小額發票的認定基準不予公開啊因為你們不公開啊這會造成什麼問題就是說人民他不知道 |
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7430.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7443.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
我們怎麼樣的行為會被認定違規啊等於說就是由我們國稅級單方面來認定來判定說這個是不是要追回我想這是不符合法治國的原理啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
跟委員報告因為這個認定的原則更公開因為一些有心人士就會想辦法去規避譬如說我假設我講說什麼樣的狀況你拿多少張你就會變成是是異常那他就故意控制在那個張數以內所以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
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其實我舉幾個例子例如我們講民眾集資團購由其中一個人負責購買每一筆消費因為他都要拿發票因為他要提供給這些其他委託他去買的人所以他必須取得發票 |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7503.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
第二種就是或者他為了累積超商的電數分別到不同的超商去購買小額的商品然後去取得發票或者他是為了累積他的電子支付的點數或者是信用卡的紅綠點數所以他去小額購買各樣的一個商品像這種情況你們認為這叫不符合常規的交易嗎 |
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所以其實非常多啊非常多如果你不透明的話會造成民眾無所適從啊到底我什麼樣的行為叫做這個去這個大量搜集發票我剛才講那種情形您的看法呢 您認為呢 |
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我跟委員報告就說在國稅局在追回這些小額發票的時候是不是異常為什麼剛剛委員會發現說什麼追回的比例好像感覺什麼成本上還不符那就是因為國稅局有去給他們補充說明的機會簡單講如果這個中獎人他有去解釋為什麼他會拿到這些小額的發票像我們上一期有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
7545.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
7572.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
兩塊錢的發票他到某一個速食店兩萬塊錢就中一千萬如果他不是那連續的行為這個一千萬我們再給所以署長我的意思就是說像這種情形因為這有點類似這個歷史的一個規定所以某些部分你要有條件的公開不是全部不公開你都不公開民眾真的是會不曉得我到底怎麼樣的消費行為怎麼樣去取得發票 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
7587.609 |
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到時候中獎會被追回啊他們會一頭霧水啊所以是不是要檢討說這個要適度的予以公開因為我知道現在國會局如果追回這樣的中獎金的狀況都會發新聞稿啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
7590.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
7609.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
他會講一下是什麼狀況那我這樣是不是可以透過這樣的方式讓各地區委員會如果有追回案件的時候應該告訴他們說你不要取巧如果你說又會發新聞稿這一點我就贊同我想這個要有適度的公開就我剛才講的才不會形成說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
7610.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
7632.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
增加那麼多行政成本去查核但是收回來的只那麼一點點錢這不符合這個效益所以去適度的公開有它的必要性最後一個問題最近金融業主張應全面檢視並建立更具合理性的證交稅率並將其制度化以提升證件市場的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
7635.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
7649.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
讓我們邁向亞洲資產管理中心的地位提出四大的稅改建議請問部長對這四大稅改的建議你的看法是怎樣尤其是否要調降那個證交稅啊你的看法是怎樣 |
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我想這個部分正交稅其實現在來說我們股票市場相當的熱絡然後還有當沖降稅減半這個其實大家都認為有可能要不要再做檢討當然實施期間到明年才會結束那至於各項提供有關減稅這個部分我覺得這個部分必須要做這個深入的研議 |
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你是對於業者所提出的這四大建議的看法你是說手續費由證交稅是由券商收取應該先予以調降證交稅可能還要再檢討所以你認為到底我的重點就是證交稅現在股市交易這麼熱絡而且明年就要到期了 |
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是當沖降稅的部分 到明年底也到期所以你是否會比較各國的一個相關的一個稅率來做相關的一個檢討林委員我建議一下 因為你這個題目蠻大的而且時間已經到了一段時間了是不是讓財政部用書面跟我們回答我們用書面回覆 謝謝委員謝謝林市民委員 |
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在顏寬恆委員質詢之前本席宣告第十位質詢吳秉瑞委員質詢完之後休息五分鐘現在換第九位顏寬恆委員質詢主席各位立席觀眾大家好主席有請財政部莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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是 委員好部長早部長 從99年清安貸款推動以來累計合貸戶數金額都逐年成長到114年8月底累計合貸47萬7821戶金額也高達2兆4700多億 |
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新清安也將在今年的7月要落日但是民眾擔心的是說在6月份才完成相關的程序並向銀行提出申請的時間上恐怕已經來不及趕上第一波的專案 |
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但是照理講就是說在我們合法的期限內申請的期限內所提出的申請應該是要符合舊制或者說新制會比舊制更有利那他可以來要求然後說看能不能夠比照新制這部分我想等一下再請你說明一下我想銀行方面有表示就是說 |
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可能需要後續是否推動第二波貸款的政策看政策怎麼制定但是民眾想要了解的是說政府推動第二波新建案貸款的方案或者是相關延續措施的方向跟時程然後能夠以方便讓大家能夠了解到後續怎麼安排這些資金規劃 |
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所以針對新青岸2.0的方向跟期程能不能跟民眾說明第二個就是說這中間1.0跟2.0這中間會不會有什麼空窗期因為時間快到了那新的方案可不可以無縫接軌在8月順利上路部長請簡單說明 |
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謝謝委員清安貸款其實是幫助沒有自有住宅的青年朋友們或者是國民朋友們可以來購置他的房屋那政府給予相關的協助那新清安執行到今年的7月就屆期了 |
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那當然大家也很期待說屆期之後相關的方向會是怎麼樣那這裡也跟委員報告那財政部呢在最近已經召開了好幾次跨部會的會議那我們對於未來這個七月以後會是以什麼樣的方式方案來執行那我們進行相關的意見交流當然也要對這個新青安這個執行三年以來 |
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所面臨的一些狀況或者問題也要做一些檢討因此我們就對於房市的供需因為這跟房地產市場有關係然後金融市場還有民眾的需求以及新青安整個貸款的一個成效還有政府的財源的運用以及公股銀行資金成本等等多元的一個面向我們要做整體的評估 |
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那在這個部分呢我們做完這個相關的評估完成以後我們相關的方案會呈報給行政院呈報行政院確定以後就會對外公佈以及說明我想這個部分是跟委員做這樣報告那至於外界一些很多的揣測我覺得那就是一些傳聞啦那等到我們 |
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把定案以後就會跟外界做明確的說明那你說評估之後抱怨的部分什麼時候會要抱怨什麼時候會有結果出來我想這個部分現在是4月嘛我想在6月底之前應該是可以有一個定案的方向是我這邊根據我們財政部上星期公佈的新青岸新青岸2026 3月的統計包括受理波待戶數都呈現月增 |
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然後我們八家公股銀行的受理戶數4775戶月增77%受理金額402億月增89%雙雙創下去年4月以來的新高所以就是說像我剛剛講的說因為政策還沒有很明朗我們的憑供應還沒出來然後行政院的部分也還沒有公告 |
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那所以說民眾就搶著要搭上這個最後一波啦這個新青岸1.0的部分所以希望部長我們如果說這個新青岸1.0在6月的時候2.0啦2.0的時候在6月的時候公布方案或者是這些續辦的細節包括 |
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歷歷的補貼 貸款條件的調整等等在7月的時候由財政部來協調公股銀行處理舊案就在7月之前所提出申請的這些舊案要怎麼樣來整合同步受理這些新制的諮詢來確保說未來這個作業不會斷面這樣子可以嗎 部長 |
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謝謝委員的指教對於新舊案的銜接在我們研擬方案的時候都會考慮進去那至於所謂的月增數等等這個有的時候跟房屋的交屋的時期尤其是二月又碰到農曆過年所以三月就會增加那因為二月份上班天數也少嘛所以那個銀行的核貸數量也會少所以基本上 |
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新青安整個執行以來在113年的左右的時候那是達到最高峰那慢慢已經接近一個平穩的一個狀態因為它究竟是一個剛性需求它是一個真的住宅需要使用的而且很重要就是自住那買去以後不做自住的話其實銀行後續都有一些查核的機制會追回相關的利息的補貼 |
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好的 所以說我們對於這些舊案的收尾一定要做得更全面一點小心一點委員謝謝 現在報稅季到了所以在這邊要請教部長今年報稅的方式以及稅制的內容有沒有相較去年更加精進或者是能夠讓民眾受惠的部分 |
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那趁這個機會跟民眾說明一下然後鼓勵民眾運用手機報稅所以財政部針對手機報稅舉辦的抽獎活動今年是不是也是如常辦理有沒有加碼的機會 |
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我想謝謝委員給我們這個機會那在115年報稅的部分呢其實各位知道就長照的扣除額從12萬提高到18萬那租金的支出的特別扣除從去年開始就列為特別扣除額以前是在列舉扣除額裡面所以金額也提高到18萬 |
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我想这个部分对于减轻民众的一个出税负担以及还有这个基本生活费也提高到也提高到二十一万三千这个部分都可以减少这个民众的出税的负担至于在实际上手机报税或提供相关更便利的一个部分呢这也是我们每一年持续经济尤其今年我们对于视障朋友们的一些便利性更有一些精进作为以及我们会实际找 |
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就是說他有視障朋友們來做一個測試看怎麼樣才能夠讓他更方便的使用我想這個部分我們財資中心主任在這邊也許可以跟各位做一個說明簡短好不好請簡短說明阿牧原針對視障的部分我們提供網頁的報讀的方式讓看不到的人可以用聽的來處理報稅的活動那效果還不錯好的所以就更加監禁抽獎活動手機報稅抽獎也還是有 |
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好的好的那再請教部長特別預算的部分115年度總預算舉債創10年新高還有債務未償餘額持續上升合計舉債已經突破平均所以115年度總預算與特別預算的舉債債務合計是4000億高於近10年的平均值3500億截至115年4月17日中央政府債務未償餘額 |
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一年以上的再加上短期的總計是六兆三千五百多億那這意味著每月國民負擔是債務是27.3萬創立年薪高這甚至還沒有加上軍購的特別預算所以我們更應該去思考說引擎性債務還有跨世代的負擔政府本應該將編列在總預算內的譬如說像基礎建設戰機採購這個 |
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就是把這些部分移到特別預算實質上其實它是在規避年度總預算的一個平衡壓力所以我想我們甚至可以看到連先前這個媒體宣傳費都編列在特別預算當中 |
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這樣子根本就不合理我有多次強調說特別預算不應該常態化更不應該說成為規避財政機率濫用編入明目的一個巧門所以特別預算的特別是指事態緊急 |
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而不是讓預算變略變得特別隨便所以在當我們115年對舉債舉債數創下實名性高財政部不能只用落實開源結尾這樣子一個空洞的詞彙來應付人民所以要請教莊副長就是說到11408月底依促參法辦理的簽約案中提前結約件數高達215件那結約金額達1421億 |
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那解約件數這個佔比12.33%所以從2012年2013年同期的數據我們可以看到這個逐年上升那促成案例應該是一個公私協力然後共創莊園但是現在每8到9件的簽約案就有一件會提前解約而且比例不斷的增加那我們作為財政部是主管機關嘛 |
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那有沒有針對這些檢驗的案件做個案的分析是前端招商評估太惡觀了還是後端輔導不足所造成的結果這部分是不是請部長簡單的回答 |
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我先跟委員報告特別預算並不是所謂要規避總預算總預算跟特別預算都是預算法裡面它們相附相成那麼特別預算是為了國重大的正式需要來做編列而且它的舉債的話債務控管同樣受公債法的限制以及財政紀律法的規定我想這個部分絕對沒有以特別預算來規避所謂的債務控管以及另外所謂的隨便的一個情況第二個對於債務的控管裡面 |
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預算數我們剛剛已經報告他是用這樣的好幾項加但是實際數目前來說我們只有5到9千多億而且債務的比例是23%這個在國際間已經是非常好的對債務的控管財政部一直都是非常謹慎我想在特別預算別年的時候也會對於債務的一個控管做一些說明 |
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我必須要很清楚的一個說明特別預算不是用來規避所謂的總預算的債務控管以及做隨便我剛剛請問的問題裡面還有包括我們這相關農業級資源循環再利用設施還有我們的觀光修器設施這些部分文教設施等 |
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這些都是我們解約件數相當高的前三項那解約金有一千多億那解約的件數那麼多那我們才能夠到底是不是已經邀請了相關的部會來做一個檢討的一個是不是有來檢討契約範本以避免說資產閒置跟行政資源的浪費這部分我想時間已經到了那可不可以把這些資料提供給我辦公室 |
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主席 麻煩請財政部莊部長 複稅署宋署長好 財政部部長 複稅署宋署長 |
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先請教今年的證交稅的稅入部分那你在去年編列的時候你那時候估算的成交額是用怎麼樣的成交值去估算4200億的日均量日均量那今年到目前為止的日均量是多少 |
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目前今年1到4月27號是9971億的日均量平均的日均量那顯然比你當初在編列稅入預算的時候的證交稅的額度高了一倍那你原來的那個預算的那個稅入證交稅的部分是編列收入多少兩千 |
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兩千五百億那如果這個成交量維持在這個九千多億的這個數額甚或上下一點點你要不要考慮你這個額度要增加一倍啊我想這個部分我們會再仔細的一些估算那在大院財委會審議有關說客收入的部分那我們認為可以討論然後再來做審議的部分看是不是要怎麼做調整好 那孫副長先請回座 |
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昨天剛好是我總諮詢嘛那你也在總諮詢的台上 你也有聽到嘛現在 他們現在要給你淨富二讀然後就是說如果我的稅捐收到了比你的預算數多15%那就要普發現金這個用一個假的錯誤的名詞說叫超增我一再在這邊講過我們不要用超增這兩個字 |
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因為中華民國是民主國家 我們是租稅法定主義租稅法定主義就是因為我們國民跟政府之間有契約經過人民選出的民意代表 國會同意的法律案之後才可以徵收稅捐所以所有的稅 全部都是法律的規定 |
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那法律規定要收的坦白講財政部國稅局還有有沒有資格不收啦你們必須依法行政嘛對不對所以沒有什麼稅捐超徵的問題只有你的徵收實質徵收數超過預算數的問題嘛對不對那你預算數因為是一個估計值是那問題就出在哪裡呢問題就出在第一個 |
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部長我在這邊我要講也要給我們財政部的同仁知道你的估計真的都很保守我在這個地方已經不知道講了多少年了我幾乎每個會期都會講那很保守的原因它有幾個原因第一個就是你的資訊如果以今年現在要審這個預算是去年的年初 |
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就開始做估算年中經過行政院來預算的會議之後9月以前要提出在本院然後我們再開始審預算那你去年年初開始估算的時候拿的是前年跟大前年的資料所以你們等於是資訊延後了 |
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兩年的變化你是估算不到的所以去年GDP成長8點多今年估計會成長7點多以這樣為例你們在編列稅入預算的時候你沒有辦法去想到說有這10幾%的這個GDP的成長這個是沒有 |
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不能說你們是算命仙 你們不能預先估計公務員的習慣我很清楚 因為我家是公務員室家我寧願要保守一點 我不要很誇張我不要太謹記太謹記 如果到時候稅捐收不到那麼多的時候又有另外一批人來講說你這個是是因為你們辦事不力啊 那個稅捐都收不到所以過去的公務員的習慣就會比較保守 |
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這幾年的台灣的經濟成長真的是世界少見成長得很快我們的上市櫃公司去年的獲利總結可能會超過四到五千億那有多少會分給股東 |
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我們不知道 因為那個要經過他們的董事會我剛剛講光上市貴公司喔公發還有非公發公司都還不算喔那今年可能還會遠超這個數目因為今年為什麼股市榮景現在都跨四萬點啊就是因為這些公司其實有一些很有業績他的經營成長有加倍 獲利有加倍以上所以一直在漲 |
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今年也有可能會超過五億的獲利五兆的獲利那我知道官司當年獲利隔年繳營所稅 |
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分給股東紅利之後股東拿到這個股利再隔一年再繳個人綜合所的稅所以這個稅是有遞延可是這個遞延的浪潮一直來啊你們的估算真的是不要太保守啦而且我認為我今年這個稅務要給你加很多不然的話我跟你講你放任他這樣子 |
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他拿一個輸假的議題然後拼命在給你扣帽子啊你何必擔這個莫名其妙這個不應該發生的事情呢我以前在那個地方也問過你假設你編列的比較寬鬆比較多一點結果後來打不到稅稅稅百分之九十九 九十八 九十七有懲處嗎你也跟我回答說沒有嘛 |
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那既然這樣子我們為什麼不多估一點然後去避免現在發生這麼荒謬的事情呢我的想法是這樣啊你如果今天你估本來你認為可以收到的百分之百以低預計是很保守的所以低估了那你把它加他們說超過百分之十五那你既然要預算數你就是要讓人知道這個預算數是一個虛假的數字並不是一個實際的數字嘛 |
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對不對那你如果將來要稱讚你就是你的實際的稅務跟預算數比起來如果能夠接近百分之百那是一百分一萬分啦不可能的事情但是一萬是九十八九十九我們應該要跟你稱讚啊不要讓台灣社會在那邊錯誤的觀念什麼政府跟你多收稅政府沒跟你多收稅啦政府收的稅都是本院立法院要求你們收的法律規定要你們收的啦 |
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我們訂的法律你可以不收嗎那所以哪裡有超收的問題誰在超收啊超收就是要還人家啊所以你沒有超收問題嘛那問題出在哪裡出在稅務的估計太保守了 |
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對不對是也跟謝謝委員這一直也都給我們的指教那也跟委員報告在114年來看其實我們持續在精進這個估測114年來看中央政府的稅客收入的預算數跟時增數其實我們的 |
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達到是只有差不到1%不到1%而這裡面不到1%是我們少了少了300多億這是因為我們去年有實施延分期繳納因為對等關稅那在115年這個稅客收入編列的時候正好在114年那個時候對美國的對等關稅政策的一些情況有許多的不確定性所以在我們在估測上會有一些數據上的參數上的一些運用可能跟實際的情況 |
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8965.676 |
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說你那個研分期繳稅的部分今年就會多進來所以今年還要再更高我想這個部分在審議的時候我們可以再做討論然後去年的GDP成長8.6多今年要增加7點多7點多趴了在目前中央營養的估算所以如果有企業他要提早就繳營所稅你的稅可能都還會多出來我這一次要給你提高一點 |
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讓在野黨其實是立法院的執政黨他們兩黨加起來就比我們多嘛他們要拿那個表面的數字在那邊做文章嘛我們在日經會把他拉得很高 |
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那我稅收不夠啊稅收不夠沒有什麼普發現金這個問題啊但是錢事實上你也是有收到啊那財政你會變成會有一些表面上舉借但是後來你每一年都沒有舉借的那些數目跑出來嘛那那個都是會計帳戶而已隔年就很 |
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隔年後年那個決算之後就平衡掉了嘛這根本就沒有實質的差異啊所以我在這個地方要誠懇的跟你建議啊當然我也不希望造假但是你的估算喔真的不要保守應該要比你現在所取得數據大概多寬略兩三個百分點會 我們這次估測小組我們做了一些相當大的一個變動我們希望能夠更估測得精準一點 |
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我要再跟你說現在今年四月底股市已經見到四萬點了當然現在沒有贊助現在在三萬九千多點年底明年五萬六萬都可能會來啊所以你那個增加稅那個估算 |
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我是跟你說實話我是真的這樣子相信有可能會來所以你那個估算真的不要太保守不然的話你收到的稅多出來事實上應該要多收了就又有人在那邊又想要動那個東西的腦筋了又拿那個東西來做政治運作做政治的操作是最不可取的而且對財政是一個傷害好 謝謝你謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝秉瑞 張維主席在這裡宣布休息五分鐘 謝謝 |
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9091.434 |
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這句話不能講 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9131.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9154.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
謝謝觀賞 |
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9190.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
謝謝觀看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9229.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
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好 謝謝 謝謝 |
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9291.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
哦哦哦 |
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9298.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9322.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
這裏面好多藝術的藝術人物,好多藝術人物。這裏面好多藝術的藝術人物,好多藝術人物。 |
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9334.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9364.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
9387.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9397.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
來 請各位官員就座請下位諮詢委員 王世堅委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 我請部長還有國庫署長請財政部莊部長 國庫署陳署長委員好部長 署長辛苦了這六七年來我們國家 我們國民的儲蓄 |
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金額儲蓄率一直逐年提高而且是大幅度的提高這一點非常好因為這展現我們台灣人民這麼 |
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9476.477 |
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勤勞又節儉那儲蓄的金額我相信你很清楚從民國110年我們的儲蓄餘額從9兆5000億一次到今年預估是12兆7000億那麼在國內的投資額的這個部分也增加啦增加從5兆9一次增加到今年也是大概7兆6 |
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可是這麼一扣除以後我們國內儲蓄率更是高達全世界最高 |
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9512.71 |
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就這麼相扣之後的儲蓄的餘額我們現在高達5兆以高達17.84%這大概就是全世界最高啦都高過美國、德國、日本、韓國像美國甚至是複數德國4.2%日本2.1%韓國1.8% |
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我國在2022年的時候是14.8% 已經是最高但是今年啊 今年會更高 會來到大概17.4%這是首屈一指那這當然是喜訊 同時也是警訊為什麼呢 因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
9567.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
表示說我們國內儲蓄餘額有這麼高並沒有充分的投入到我們國家的建設讓政府來運用這一點是非常可惜的地方那麼我記得前年部長我們一上來的時候我當時就跟你提兩件大事一個就是我們受險我們受險35兆 |
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9569.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
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的餘額那麼有70%是在海外購買債券基金投資到海外我當時就說這有戰爭跟匯率的風險你也馬上同意而且你也積極下去做這個部分我們到今年我看了一下你們有降到67.48%這個部分是很好但是第二大的就是我們這一個部分就是我們國民的儲蓄率 |
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9599.749 |
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9610.814 |
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儲蓄額的這個餘額儲蓄率竟然高達17.4那麼這個部分我為什麼說會影響到我們國內的建設資金的籌措比方說我認為應該將這些國內我們人民儲蓄的餘額可以導向 |
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9626.534 |
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9635.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
這個國家的建設那就是由我們財政部下去主導來發行各類有自償性的公債 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
9636.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
9659.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
自償性的債券這好多優點啊這不但可以降低融資成本而且等於我們籌措了另外籌措了這些籌資的管道嘛多了這個管道更何況我們公共建設如果不從民間的發行債券向民間籌集資金的話 |
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9662.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
9682.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
我們向銀行去融資的話部長我相信你很清楚公共建設向銀行融資我就舉向我們公營行庫好了我們百分之百最大的公營行庫台銀那麼棒的台銀我們政府向台銀借款公共建設平均2.5%2.5%我相信這你很清楚嘛那 |
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9692.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9711.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
反而我們發行債券的話 像111年高鐵 聯外道路 跟台銀借款2.34人家他們發行債券的利率0.75 航空城的用地 更是不用講112年第一期1.25%債券 |
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9719.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
9748.259 |
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跟台灣銀行貸款2.57啦那第二級 再賺1.625%結果跟台銀貸款2.4 需要到2.4所以我們放著民間大家儲蓄餘額來參與公共建設放棄這些不用 不去努力反而 我四個字形容便於形式嘛 |
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9749.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
9756.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
變異形式就是說 啊 反正是搞錢沒搞 自己人搬就有啊 自己人搬 |
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9758.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9783.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
如果說一時平常你們沒有籌措沒有預備一時半個融資周轉那就算了結果不是變成長期的依賴那我剛剛講台銀是好的百分之百關股的他當然或多或少都必須看政府的情面那如果像民營銀行要去貸款的話天啊 |
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9785.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
9807.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
我看你至少要加1%以上才可能借得到所以我認為放著我們國內我們勤勞的台灣人我們努力所得去儲蓄的這些餘額放著不用那放著那些錢不但閒置啊甚至被 |
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9809.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
9836.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
這些比較惡質的金融行業去利用啊不是嗎像竹林公司啊錢銀行收走那融資公司再向銀行大筆的借款借幾千億去放高利貸這都是不對的所以我不曉得部長你們在這個部分有沒有加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
9840.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
9851.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
謝謝委員 委員很多次都做這方面的一個督促我們做這個所以財政部也積極的在推動這個非營業特種基金如果它具有自償性的話公共建設來發行一類公債那也跟委員報告110年到114年有發 |
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9856.653 |
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9859.954 |
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已經發行了八檔 金額有1494億那在今年一月也發行了一個國立金門大學的銷務基金的一個公債對 那個很棒 教育部的這個很棒喔教育部的這個永續債 這個非常棒國內首屈一指 教育部的第一筆 |
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也才四億元耶那是針對金門大學的宿舍改建這個部分那四月份有三百億元的一類公債那交通部後續還有五檔一類公債要發行就像你講的嘛我認為這個金額太低啦同名國一百一十年的六百二十億累積到今年才一千四百九十四億耶部長 |
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就以你的估計你認為說我們到現在債務餘額我們是高達六兆八千五百億六兆八千五百億結果我們捨棄民間七兆八的儲蓄餘額不拿來周轉 |
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你不覺得這很奇怪嗎我們的債務實際數是5兆9千億你說5兆9千億你是說我們的這個債務餘額就對了實際上是5兆9千億實際是這樣但是你預估你給我的預估說到今年底嘛那是預算數那是預算數那我就當 |
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我就當你五兆九好了五兆九結果你捨棄民間有那麼龐大而且隨時願意來加入我們國家的建設他們都願意啊你看你從這些債券發行的利率 |
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不到2% 人家1.4 1.5 民間因為民間對我們國家對政府有信心所以他寧願來買嘛他寧願來購買他不但覺得這不但可以保持有保障 |
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而且他們覺得有榮譽感有榮譽感買國家的債券國家公債有參與國家建設人民有榮譽感人民對國家有信心不是這樣嗎所以你剛剛講的1498億我知道 |
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你們努力之下可是我覺得金額差太遠了而且這個金額裡面我就講今年發行的七期裡面這七期裡面有六期全部人家都是交通部交通的建設 |
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當然交通建設比較顯眼和外顯我去發現金額也大但是其他各部會還有我們國家掌控這103種基金基金從行政院的 |
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國家發展基金開始我們一路細數下來營建建設基金包括法務部包括教育部包括我們財政部本身各部會相關的像衛生福利部他們需要的長照等等那這一些有這麼多還有我最後主席不好意思我最後跟部長提醒一下我們中央政府不做 |
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地方政府人家都努力在做人類你像高雄 |
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高雄永續債券已經發行而且成果非常好那今年啊高雄以外這個桃園也企而效仿桃園現在也跟進今年光是光是高雄跟桃園的他們已經擴大規模到永續債券高達303億之多那 |
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地方政府反而帶頭 要引領我們中央政府效反所以我們中央政府是不得不做 應該要做因為中央政府應該要做各地方政府的模範才對嘛我最後跟你講一句很重要的這些債務 你剛剛講的 我說618 你說5到9最重要我們發行債券可以不計入 |
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這些公共債務的金額有負債的餘額嘛因為它是有自償性的它有自償性嘛所以這一點可以改善我們政府的財務結構好不好我們持續積極推動一定要積極下去做我下次質詢就要看看你有沒有新的計畫新的進度今年我們會交通部還有很多可以推進的好啦 用書面已經超過很久了謝謝 |
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謝謝王委員下一位質詢委員 蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在 鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在請楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言人 邀請部長請財政部莊部長 |
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我們繼續討論永續發展債券的這個議題因為我們希望能夠接軌的國際綠色金融同時也降低融資的成本但是這兩年多來大家非常的關心相關的基金好像都偏向於銀行借款籌資 |
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那主要是大家認為說在這發行行政的一個程序的繁複導致長期是停滯在宣導跟輔導的階段沒有辦法這個形成了實質發行的動能部長您的看法呢 |
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過去大家有些只有自償性的基金他可能有這樣的顧慮但是呢我們財政部透過兆元投資方案我們和金管會還有櫃買中心一起來輔導他們來發行有關這個永續債 |
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讓他們可以就是發以內在之可以能夠從有多元的方式來做籌資讓民眾也有機會可以參與國家的建設這個非常重要民眾有機會民眾對於我們政府是有信心所以他們也希望能夠來參與但是問題是你的設計你的誘因到底要怎麼樣做那目前呢就成如這個金門大學發行的首檔 |
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金門大學首檔的永續發展債券但是它的規模是4億元跟我們上千億兆元的資金需求相比還是落差非常的大所以這也反映了財政部在整個制度設計跟推動機制上面是不是還有很多沒有辦法排除的這些障礙所以部長我們要怎麼樣去做調整跟推動呢 |
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所以剛剛也跟委員提到了因為債券的發行還涉及到櫃買中心的業務以及各個主管機關他的一個需求所以這個部分我們就是去第一個我們要找到案員如果說他們要以舉債的方式的話會送到我們的債務委員會來財政部的債務委員會來看那我們覺得他具有自償性我們就會請他以發行公債的方式接下來我們這個案員是適合的話我們就進行相關的輔導因為有些機關他可能並不熟悉相關的程序 |
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就是連我們去我們機關都不熟悉那表示我們要怎麼樣去經濟呢就是去輔導啊所以跟委員報告四月份有三百億元已經發行了那今年還有五檔那交通部後續有五檔的乙類公債會發行所以這個部分一直是我們努力積極在推動的部分 |
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好 所以推行了兩年多我們首檔就是金門大學這個綠能建築那我們也希望在我們自己政府的這個決策希望要怎麼樣做應該是要真正能夠達到它的實際行動跟結果尤其是民眾參與的這一塊 |
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我認為這個是有一個規模所以應當要好好的去精進這個方案以及它的誘因 以及它的一個輔導這非常重要 各種條件接下來本期要跟你討論的就是普發現金一萬元今天是4月29號 到明天下午5點截止 |
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明天4月30號是最後的時間對 就是明天下午最後一天 |
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23點59分23點59分就到今天晚上11點59分那請教部長現在如果以3月底領取率來看是98.29%已經99了那現在是多少呢已經突破99了到現在99那請問已經領取有2333萬人說有3萬人因為登記入帳失敗 |
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郭文貴議員 |
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那個普發現金沒辦法通知喔所以我們用的是新聞稿我們用的是新聞稿的方式新聞稿的方式嗎對 也就是說告訴大家說這些用登記入帳的人因為他沒有去確認他的銀行帳戶到底錢有沒有進來那所以這個部分的話會請他們一定要再趕快去登記部長 因為有的人招列為警示帳戶 |
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所以這是人民普發現這是每一個人的權益但是他如果招列為警示帳戶或許連他自己本身都沒有去察覺在這樣的情況之下有什麼補救措施嗎 |
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因為它是警示帳戶,所以錢沒有辦法進去嘛我們剛剛署長已經說,會以其他的方式領取啊什麼樣的方式?我們的領取方式很多,比如ATM可以去領取啊所以我即使線上申請,但是還沒有入帳我今天跟明天11點59分以前,還是可以去臨櫃還是可以去ATM領取嗎? |
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是不是確定是如此因為這關係著三萬人的一個權益是不是所以應該要好好的去宣導一下還有一天多的時間我們一直持續在宣導一直持續在宣導但是你們國務署也說是有三萬人這樣的樣態 |
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因領而還沒有辦法領到所以這三萬人的權益到底要怎麼做處理我們剛剛提到就是說因為當季那個時間已經超過很久了是不是請財政部用書面跟楊委員回答所以一定要好好去呼籲就到明天是明天11點59分最後期限請大家一定要趕快去領才不會喪失應有的權益是好 謝謝委員好 謝謝下一位請陳玉珍委員質詢 |
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國產署曾署長跟你討論金門的地理位置有關兩岸的電商物流 |
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經過台北轉運,從料羅 |
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金門廖羅港直航這樣運輸物流時間快速很多了那你看看馬祖已經有在做了馬祖跟福州馬尾有做海上的貨運直航跨境電商最快隔日就會完成2024年就有在做了那我們金門現在的問題在哪裡呢 |
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報告委員據我了解金門沒有業者提出申請沒有業者提出申請所以如果有業者提出申請那就可以開始就可以審核是嗎報告委員依照我們現在的海運快遞貨物通關管理辦法的話現在是授權各關區比如說金門的話就有高雄關他會去評估一些要件然後在10月的時候會公告說他有沒有人力或者是怎麼樣可以 |
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設幾條線十月份的時候高雄公安會公告就是說今年是115年 今年115年的時候十月會決定明年可不可以申請是吧是你們是每一年審核一次是嗎對 依照剛剛講的那個海運快遞貨物的通關管理辦法一年就公告一次那我看到你們114年 去年是說這個115年是不受理喔海塊專區的深設或是擴限是吧 |
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是 高雄關去年那評估是因為高雄那邊沒有條件就是所以缺什麼條件呢它所謂的條件指的是說就是看哪些地方想要設這個海運快遞專區它要符合許多的一些要件譬如說要實體隔離啦或者有沒有作戰硬體設施是不是硬體設施你們能力夠不夠呢 |
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人力我們人力當然嚴重的不足尤其金門來說如果要設兩條線大概需要30到40人這樣的一個估計那一條線的話至少也要15到20人那你缺多少人呢為了產業的發展為了地區產業發展是應該提早做相關的這個準備 |
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對 那我們各關區人力的確目前都是不足的是嘛 尤其現在政府要進這個什麼馬鈴薯啊 發芽的啊什麼花生什麼各方面那事不上你們人力部是不是應該趕快提出相關的這個人力要怎麼擴編的這個準備啊我們也可以來協助啊 這個我們也是支持啊 |
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報告委員我現在還沒有辦法跟人總那邊提出這樣的一個需求現在政府要那個竹科檢查馬鈴薯需要很多的人耶那是房間署那邊但是進口的時候也要官員會用很多嘛對不對不然loading太重啊是 |
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總量限制有總量限制嗎 |
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有總量限制嗎 離島有總量限制嗎所謂的總量限制指的是專區總量的限制金門有沒有特別不算在我們頭還是我們需不需要我們在離島經濟條例幫你們協助金門就不要跟高雄一起算了就離島自己算了報告委員這裡應該沒有所謂的總量限制需要在離島經濟條例協助修改沒有 |
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不用喔 不用喔 那這個沒問題那人力你們加油嘛 看我們需要做什麼協助那嚴一來幫你 好 謝謝你了那我們大概如果下去金門地區有什麼需要的我們現場到時候去看好不好印尼設施什麼先來衝突謝謝 國產署 這個 |
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你們115年的預算案中有辦這個國有非公用文化資產修復及管理維護計畫還有向海致敬的計畫這兩個計畫那在這兩個計畫裡頭金門地區的這個預算有16億的這個16億的這個全國的這個修復計畫裡頭這個北區國產署是4億又426萬元金門縣是0元耶為什麼會這樣子 |
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根委員報告依照文資法的規定是看地上物因為地上物大部分都是國家公園管理的或縣政府或鄉公所管理的是要由他們來幫你修復土地的部分是國產署理論上這些單位可以來跟國產署撥用土地而且撥用的土地可以無償 |
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那我想請問 因為戰地這幾年撤軍多了很多營舍 軍方的這個營舍那這些全部我知道軍備全部都歸給國產署了吧陸陸續續典交很多的嘛 很多都還給國產署了現在主地都國產署 第三位都給你們了啊而且這些營舍都是五十年以上啊跟委員報告啦 |
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現在軍方原則上第一個會先問地方政府有沒有什麼使用的需求如果都確定沒有的話不是 你們不是問我們使用需求你們先把它整理好給我們因為這是你們的地上務是你們建物所有權是你們你剛剛是不是說如果是地上務是你們才歸你們管那現在進了好多軍營我們現在就行人先弄好我們再來用 |
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你們的東西喔文資喔報告委員那個剛剛講的那個軍方移交過來的時候他有很多的地商物是要報廢然後可能都要拆除很多都可能都要經過文資法對不對那這不應該你們來做啊因為地商物給你們啊 |
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沒有 如果今天是軍方移交的對 已經移交的移交的部分你現在的做法是說金門縣政府先問他有沒有用你們去做活用 活化嘛 對不對那這工作變成金門縣政府的那這個東西已經是國有財產署了已經是中華民國政府了所以這個第三步到底他是不是能拆除或不能拆除有文資法的問題嗎這邊跟你們去做 |
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這個我們會去中央政府包括軍備局他們會先去報報說有沒有適用文資身份如果沒有的話就是會做財產報費會由軍方拆除或是後面需要的機關來現在他撥給你們了 |
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撥給你們後土地是中華民國就是國產署在管的嘛那建物也是都撥給你們全部都屬於中華民國政府啊那就剛符合你剛說的嘛事實上省紀部都已經管你們了你們都管地部管工省紀部都已經跟你們說了你剛才說建物所有的建物我現在跟你講那些軍營也是歸你們的基本有好多軍營現在歸你們你們現在資產很多 |
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但是他有些不見得有機文資不一定是文資喔不一定是文資啊那這個工作應該你們來做啊你是所有權人喔如果今天這個營區沒有使用的部分那個有一些老舊的營區政府要再編預算去把它修復那是你的工作你是接觸所有權人啊 |
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問題是你修完的建築物是閒置啊不管你要做什麼那閒置你就要想辦法活化啊這就是國產署的工作啊不然可以活化我們有一些認為管理上這是後面前面要先做嘛這是後面活化是前面前面不管要修復或是要維護或者要拆除這都是你的工作啊 |
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你沒有編預算你編預算編零你到底要怎麼做沒有沒有在移管的時候是還是有軍方負責所以你覺得是軍方要做這件事情對不對對來第一個然後第二個向海致敬的部分向海致敬這個我是不支持你的看法但是我們再細細討論沒關係向海這個向海致敬的部分對不對海岸線你看今天的海岸線佔這個整個來講 |
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我們總長130公里 佔北區分屬你們的海岸線總長度21%你們根本預算只有10%我沒有這麼多的海漂垃圾 我3月29日去海邊撿海漂這個漫長的海岸線你們都給我們不夠的資源 為什麼報告委員 第一個就是在海岸清理的部分是有前者劃分的 |
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如果在國家公園範圍內是有國家公園當然當然那如果有些是山港啊或是你說在國家公園範圍即便這個海岸線是這個最海岸的邊邊都是國產國產區的土地海岸是比較前面一個行政院有一個分工原則他需要說每一公里的海岸都寸寸土地都有人清所以會有 |
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所以國家公民範圍內就是國家公民負責那如果不是國家公民範圍內如果是山港或漁港就有山港或漁港的管理機關如果是河川就河川的管理機關如果是海邊呢它剩下的國有位登陸地才是有國產署所以我們每一年大概在這裡大概會花一千多萬到一千三百萬左右來辦你覺得這樣夠嗎 金門的海漂屋那麼多因為 |
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這個他在核定中長程計劃的時候他有抓一個每公里的金額啦那因為不一樣的時間假設剛好碰到颱風或是有特別的情況之下不是不是基本不是只有颱風才有海飄舞基本每一天都有海飄舞我們有時候還是會做經費上面的調整就是說你這個東西可能我們先提出預算的凍結請你再 |
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專欄跟我們報告一下好嗎看一下我們這個海岸線你們到底要怎麼管另外的軍營的部分你也想一下要怎麼處理有這麼多的資產總是要好好的管理嘛我們再跟軍方了解一下其實真正移管的營區還不多啦不多好 那不多你就承擔責任啦因為軍方還是會有所謂的站起屏風的概念啦好 謝謝你們 謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝下一位諮詢委員及李昆成委員諮詢 |
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說一下 因為李昆城委員跟駱斌財委員都5分鐘謝謝謝謝主席 我們請莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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委員好部長好 這個我們在4月24號上個禮拜五三讀通過了這個娛樂稅法的修法那像演唱會啊 電影啊職業球賽這些藝人還有競技活動呢就免徵娛樂稅了嘛 對不對那現在免徵娛樂稅呢那大家就在關心就是說免徵娛樂稅之後我們的票價會不會下降呢就是我們以這個看電影來講如果外語片 |
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它這一個內涵娛樂稅是2.5%那如果取消娛樂稅其實應該可以降到9塊錢那如果是聽這個演唱會的話像TWICE這種國際的演唱會我們用這一個它的中等的票價3,800好了那這個內涵娛樂稅是5%那如果取消了這個娛樂稅之後大概可以降掉181元那請教一下部長那取消這些娛樂稅之後是不是可以請業者來降價 |
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當時取消這幾項藝文活動還有競技比賽的娛樂稅當時就認為說這兩項是我們應該鼓勵的民眾的參與所以這部分應該要主管機關跟地方政府要督促業者來調降這個票價把這個免徵娛樂稅這個利益能夠回饋真正的落實到消費者的身上這個部分是要由這兩項的主管機關以及地方政府要來做督促的 |
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都署那我一定說說我們這一個都已經刪除通過了嘛那你是不是要讓地方政府他們就說要再像這些藝文啊看電影啊演唱會啊看球賽之類的要降價要有一個 |
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其實我們那時候沒有一個附帶決議啦如果有一個附帶決議的話 其實就像我們當時候取消那一個含糖的飲料如果無糖的話就可以降價啦 這個意思啦那我的意思是說 這個是不是可以要求 不是只有督促因為現在大家都有關係 像娛樂稅這個免徵啊 一般老百姓去看球賽 聽演唱會也沒有降價啊 |
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結果只有那些主辦單位得利而已啊對啊 所以應該把減稅的利益回歸消費者所以地方政府要去督促這個啊不是啊 中央要宣誓啊我看地方政府都要看中央的宣誓啊我們中央也要宣誓啊 對不對是 中央可以宣誓不是啊 那要怎麼督促咧那如果地方政府不降價 你也拿他沒辦法嘛 |
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好,那我們可以行文給相關的主管機關,請他們要去做這樣的事情地方政府也要去,真的要督導,讓這個減稅利益回到民眾身上是啊,就是要有一個中央的行文給各地方啦這樣子我覺得才會比較具有拘束性 |
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不然地方政府就覺得說那中央又沒有講啊 好不好我們希望能夠降價 因為免政娛樂稅要降價那我們一般老百姓才會有感啊那我們為什麼要降價 我們為什麼要取消娛樂稅就是這個原因嘛 是的那你取消娛樂稅之後 然後老百姓又沒有感覺 |
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那這個動作 免證餘熱稅這個動作就沒有意義了啊對 是 反而不貼到一些業者去的地方是啊 好不好好的那最快可以 多快可以發個文給業者那我們不是給業者 我們是給主管機關跟地方政府那我們就一個禮拜以內發文好不好OK 那再請教一下部長 |
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這個國票基因控在4月16號召開董事會那有15席的這個董事那其中我們有占8席嘛 對不對我們這一個有提名8席 含3席 獨董那我們現在是不是在這個國票基因控能夠取得主導權呢 |
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因為15席就提15席啊不會有變化了啊對不對 |
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11464.247 |
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當然還要經過投票選舉嘛是是是好那如果說當然委員這意思是我們希望我們當然是希望5月29號的股東大會能夠順利的召開然後選出我們的董事席次那如果選出照原來規劃的話確實我們供股行庫投這些行庫所推出推選出來的這個董事會超過這個半數 |
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對啊那就是有我們這個財政部就握主導權了對不對應該是說我們公股行股所以董事長總經理也要是不是也會尊重財政部這個部分如果是這樣的話我們應該是要有一定的程序來做選舉做董事會選舉來做對啊我的意思是說我們竟然已經已經 |
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這個股份已經超過百分之十二當然會有主導權啊在董事會裡面會選出董事長所以董事長總經理基本上會尊重財政部推薦人選嗎財政部推薦啊不是啊財政部沒有推薦啊是公股行不推薦啊公股銀行推薦的人選啊我們可以直接投資啊對我知道啦就是公股銀行推薦人選嘛那當然那當然那是要的然後張兆順董事長有沒有機會 |
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我想這個選舉結果就會知道了對當然是有機會因為他的資歷跟備份都而且經驗相當豐富是啊因為我看他排在這邊應該就是有機會啦對不對是是是好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝部長好謝謝李昆章委員下一位請葉元之委員質詢 |
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主席要麻煩請國產署長先請國產署請國產署曾署長 |
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蘇安好現在就是我們其實常在地方做會勘因為國產署的地多到自己都不曉得所以常常是地方看到有一塊地怎麼荒廢在這邊可能造成環境的一些影響然後想要來用才跟國產署發現才看說發現這是國產署的地然後找國產署來做會勘那國產署在當地人就很忙他非常的忙一個人非常忙他說就是說有人私下表示說他公文都要不得了 |
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所以我在想說這個其實國安署都不能夠你們現在預算多變一點在針對你們各地這麼多地然後多變一點預算來處理嘛至少主動積極嘛不要造成地方的一些問題跟負擔嘛不然每一次都要辦會刊然後跟國產署講然後拜託國安署積極一點然後國安署有時候又說能力不足 |
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所以會產生一個負面循環然後其實對當地我覺得都會環境都不是太好啦謝謝輸掉有沒有可能你們能夠在這個部分多做一點力有沒有可能報告委員我們都在極力爭取經費跟人力啦因為尤其我們很多臨時人力現在都被控管只要他一離開就不能補所以現場勘查的人員就會變少 |
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那這個部分我們會再來激起爭取人力那第二個如果地方有一些村裡需要這個國有土地來做暫時的停車或綠美化是隨時可以來這個我知道啊但有時候也牽涉到地方政府他會想不想圍管的問題啊 |
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因為如果圍管他地方政府也要出經費啊然後常常出現的狀況就是明明是國產署的地然後我們希望說地方可以來圍管然後地方又會說這個就是比如說髒亂那就請國產署把髒亂解決就好了啊然後這個問題沒辦法根本解決嘛但是那個地又是國產署的 |
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所以我希望說既然地是屬於國產署的那國安署當然就應該多負一點責任你是地主嘛如果凹凸不平有人走路跌倒了他最後會找誰是找國產署啊他不是找地方政府啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
所以這個能不能針對地方我覺得主動去至少清查一下去看看有沒有哪些地是你們不知道的但是有然後可能環境髒亂然後甚至於就是有安全的問題你們可以主動出擊不要等到發生問題之後大家再來找你們 |
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我們也會安排主動巡管剛剛委員提到過的我們現在也試著去想說有一些空地因為現在城市熱效應的部分那些空地能不能來植樹或是做一些美化 |
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那先做完之後再來洽地方或企業來認養這個也是我們也是一個方法嘛好不好但是都是涉及到經費也需要委員在經費上面予以支持對 因為我因為你做這個東西大家才比較有感啊當然每次大家經過那個地怎麼這樣啊 多餐署的其實對多餐署機關形象也很不好啊我沒有辦法啊多邊也預算來做這個事啦大家都 我願意支持啊然後接下來請部長好不好好 謝謝委員 |
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委員好 我不想請教一下去年我們政守稅就所得稅的申報有延一個月嘛那我有看到其實蠻多委員也有提出來說因為現在因為美伊戰爭油價上漲除了油價上漲之外整個物價都會被帶動那天然氣可能也會上漲那人民的負擔增加了有沒有可能比照去年 |
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讓那個縱守稅也可以延長申報一個月那去年其實我們可以看到數據是蠻多人因為延長一個月而受惠那像去年六月六月就有大概202萬餘件大概佔了大概33%左右所以如果今年能夠比照往後延一個月的話我相信也會有很高一比例的人可以受惠啦那財政部之前 |
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11834.825 |
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別的委員在問 才問理由其實我覺得那個理由可以有待商榷理由都是說有一個理由是股價現在股市現在很好已經可能那時候講說是三萬七千點現在可能部長講說現在要更高可是問題是很多受到影響的人他不見得有去買股票 |
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11858.286 |
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股票漲和我們社會裡面有很多人都是無關的他只要沒有買股票他就是沒有受惠但是他平常去買東西或者他可能騎摩托車加油或者他去付一些民生必需的用品他付的成本是提高的那為什麼不能夠比照去年延長一個月讓大多數的國人都可以受惠呢 |
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11883.507 |
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我想今年因為美伊戰爭的事情然後讓這個油氣的價格在國際的油價上漲但是在國內採取了許多的平緩措施各位可以知道就是中油吸收政府相關的補貼都做到而且有動漲的機制所以這個是今年我們照顧民生跟穩定物價政府持續在做這是一個第二個就是說索德稅的申報這個事情所有都已經ready了5月1號就開始啟動了 |
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所以這個部分是到5月31號就是一個完成這個作業的時間你只是把我的問題再重複一遍而已不是重複一遍 而是告訴我今年的情況但是延後嘛 又不是叫你提早嘛延後時間已經到了啦請財政部用書面跟葉委員回答雖然有動漲 但是還是 物價還是漲了因為之前有漲過一波啦請用書面跟葉委員回答啦 謝謝來 下一位諮詢委員 請羅明財委員諮詢 |
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主席 各位在座的出列席官員主席 各位請莊部長請財政部莊部長以及公安部署的彭署長國有財產署的曾署長部長你好現在的財政部應該是工作上輕鬆又愉快 |
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11952.825 |
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11970.379 |
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我們同仁都非常努力跟辛苦我看你的氣色每天都笑嘻嘻的請問一下現在台股的日均量如果前幾天有達到一天好像多少一兆八千億 |
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11993.087 |
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一兆多?有超過一兆,但是沒有到一兆八百一兆五千億是不是?多少?沒有最多是多少?一兆多?最高在4月27號,我們韓上市上櫃新櫃是一兆五千億一兆五千億 |
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11997.202 |
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12018.956 |
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還有一天是4月23號有一個一兆九一兆多一兆九那只有一天4月23號有那麼多喔對 全部加起來 上市上櫃跟新櫃都加起來那現在都一兆多一兆多喔這個是一個常態還是一個偶發的情況 |
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這部分我們可能要持續的一個觀察今天看起來的量好像沒有那麼高你會不會覺得以後一兆多就變成是生活的日常 |
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從今年看起來1月份大概日均量是91002月是9100然後3月是9300那1到4月目前是到27號是9900所以看起來大概就是一兆變成是以前覺得天亮現在結果每天都有天亮早上一起來就有天亮 |
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12078.134 |
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黎明即起股市就翻騰那面對這樣的情況就是說日均量如果均量一兆那財政部啊我們國稅這邊一天證交稅是收多少錢一天可以收多少24億 |
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12094.78 |
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一天就進帳二十四億那是因為一兆啊如果是一兆八千億兩兆那不就是城鎮部一天就可以收大概快四五十億耶面對這樣的情況部長會不會覺得很開心那會不會覺得這個一直會持續下去 |
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12116.69 |
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12133.396 |
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對於股市的一個情況我們的金管會會持續的一些關注他們會關注這樣的一個情況那就財政部來說那當然我們依法規的部分證交稅的部分依法規來克徵就是這樣子如果說他的日均量是大概一兆 |
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五千億好了啦其實也可能一兆八千億啦如果一兆五千億的話那一年收下來的稅收是多少就光光是正交稅這個部分還需要另外的再做計算不用啊你就稱以營業日是兩百四十五天左右嘛那你就乘啊乘在一天四十億嘛那這樣多好 |
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12170.701 |
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你等於一年大概稅收就會光是證交稅你就收了快八千億以上是吧那現在就是一個問題你也知道石油啊現在萬物飆漲啊所以你要想說這個如果變成生活的日常的話請財政部要規劃一下你要來補助 |
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12193.524 |
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12202.41 |
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石油津貼 物價飆漲一人就一萬塊啊一人一萬塊的話一年的預算要多少 |
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委員報告對這一次的油氣國際的價格波動那政府採取了許多平緩措施第一個在油氣價格中油都吸收了然後另外就是也有所謂的補貼的措施都在做而且我們在採取相關的那個我知道了我想這個部分都政府一直在做目的就讓終端的物價不要去做標準那個杯水車薪對於小老百姓或者是 |
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12234.126 |
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12256.122 |
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每天上學的同學年輕人來說他還是希望有這個實質的補貼啊買便當雞腿便當70都漲到140了所以請部長我現在幫你找裁員啊如果真的還不夠的時候我再找兩條裁員給你如果這個不夠的話這個8000億應該夠了反正預算只有3000億吧 謝謝 |
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今夜發言 登記發言委員區答詢 答完畢現在處理臨時提案 共議案請議事律宣讀按由 鑑於自本115年初美國與伊朗爆發武裝衝突以來國際油價 原物料及運輸成本大幅波動已對我國能源供應 終端物價產業營運及加護現金流產生顯著衝擊 |
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市指5月1日至5月31日綜合所得稅結算申報起考量受衝擊產業從業人員、自營作業者、執行業務者及一般受薪家庭控因收入波動明顯可支配所得遭押縮至繳納稅款之能力明顯吃緊原請財政部延誼寬認 |
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12333.742 |
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稅捐基增法第26條規定之適用範圍從又認定得申請延期或分期繳納之對象及延分期之期間必疏解國民負擔穩定民生提案人 李燕秀 顏寬恆 陳玉珍宣讀完畢財政部有沒有意見上台用那個風講人證照辦理好 那就通過 |
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請問各位委員對於這個提案有沒有意義沒有 那照案通過本次會議作如下決定一 說明及詢討完畢二 委員質詢 未及答覆或請補充資訊請責任部於週內以順便答覆委員另要求極限者從期鎖定 |
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12396.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
委員羅賓才所提書面補充資料列入記錄刊登報報並請財政部以書面詢答中華民國一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部國共署官務署及所屬國財署及所屬財政資訊中心稅出預算部分暨融資財源 |
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調度中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金中央政府債務基金均另擇期繼續審查本次會議委員若有相關預算提案請於4月30號下午5點前進送財政委員會議事人員收件 |
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本次會議議程已進行完畢 堂友不再稍為說明質詢 也並列入紀錄 刊登公報並請議事人員先處理 現在宣布散會 |