| IVOD_ID |
17382 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17382 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-24T09:00:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-24T09:24:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:23:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60946dc7846ce441deda931c67c0acad253b1d480c4e0b4ea52d6321e997b2509d35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）三、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）四、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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中院長各位立席 閣議員早安我們現在開始進行國事論壇首先請邱惠如委員發言張之倫委員請準備 |
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院長 各位委員還有各位政府部門的同仁大家好那4月15號我質詢衛福部長我表示依據動保法4條2項授醫針對人用藥物只有使用權受限於藥事法50條的規定並沒有取得權 |
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但是部長糾正我說 我說錯了他說獸醫可以直接跟藥商購買藥物而且在4月17號還出了一個行政函式鞏固這樣錯誤的說法到底是誰說錯了根據藥師法49條 50條還有施行細則的規定藥商跟藥局都不能賣藥給獸醫師 |
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如果違反了這樣的規定根據92條會被處以3萬到200萬的罰款所以呢院長的部長的說法顯然是有錯誤 |
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那如果這是一個錯誤的說法也就是藥商跟藥局根本不能夠賣藥給獸醫師請問怎麼會出現部長所說的獸醫師可以直接跟藥商跟藥局買藥這樣的一個局面呢我想部長完全是搞錯了為什麼會搞錯呢可能是因為他對動保法四條二項的規定完全沒有掌握藥部就是故意忽略了藥事法 |
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49條50條還有施行細則33條的規定還有92條的罰則所以我們在這邊呼籲部長請問你是不是要去補修法律的學分那事實上藥事法跟凍飽法中間存在漢格那也導致 |
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受益師還有藥師他們之間存在一個矛盾的現象身為主管機關應該要積極推動修法化解這個僵局而不是消極的不作為所幸我們看到執政黨的立委針對藥事法50條也提出修正 |
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就是想要讓獸醫師針對人用藥物取得購買權而不是困在目前的僵局所以我們也希望執政黨的立委能夠去給我們部長好好的上一課建構這個正確的法律概念那除此之外我們也 |
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呼籲部長要跟國人道歉因為你說獸醫師可以直接跟藥商去買藥這根本是啟動一個違法的狀態我們當然是希望獸醫師可以直接跟藥商買藥有一個合法的權源但這個不是靠部長亂說就可以達成這個必須按照修法的程序來修法才可以所以我們呼籲部長能夠修藥事法 |
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五十條的規定如果你不願意修藥事法的規定那就應該要啟動凍飽法的修法台灣民眾黨已經針對凍飽法來啟動修法希望能夠讓要獸醫師針對凍飽藥物能夠取得購買權以上說明好謝謝邱惠如委員的發言謝謝接下來我們請張志倫委員發言陳冠廷委員請準備 |
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院長各位同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安大家好本期今天要嚴正警告民進黨政府食安是健康底線不容許任何退讓發芽馬鈴薯產生的龍葵鹼具有強烈神經毒性醫學界已明確指出務實可能在短時間內引發腸胃不適嘴唇發麻嚴重時甚至會導致呼吸衰竭及危及生命 |
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我們必須徹底破除把發芽處挖掉就可以吃的說法但政府目前的檢查標準卻顯得寬鬆及充滿危機本席必須從保護孩子的角度嚴正譴責政府這次荒腔左反的做法然而 |
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面對民間與學界對放寬美國發芽馬鈴薯進口的強烈質疑政府的第一反應居然不是虛心檢討以及嚴格把關標準而是動員側翼大規模的洗地試圖弱化發芽馬鈴薯有毒的科學常識民進黨政府為了趕快簽署對等貿易協定食安底線一再對美國退讓 |
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過去政府側翼以官媒大肆宣傳經貿辦的談判手腕將其塑造成為台灣利益的鋼鐵堡壘但現實卻是政府在民眾權益上步步退讓現在居然連最基本的食安防線都可以棄守 |
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從過去零容忍發現一顆發芽就整櫃退回的標準如今卻成為討好美國卻輕易打破我們的嚴格標準面對輿論的怒火卓院長在國會殿堂信誓旦旦保證進口馬鈴薯會每一顆拿出來檢查然而卓院長的空投支票隨即遭到食藥署的隔空打臉食藥署不僅坦言現階段 |
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人維持最低只有2%的抽檢率目前全台灣的邊際檢查人力只有105人實際聘用只有85個人要做到整櫃檢查根本不可能一年幾千個貨櫃高達四五億顆的馬鈴薯請問民進黨政府要如何逐顆檢查 |
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回顧過去卓院長的邏輯轉彎已經不是初犯面對廚餘處理問題他拋出把食物吃光就不會有廚餘這種解決不了問題就解決常識的治國風格已經讓行政院徹底淪為笑柄 |
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本席在最後要請求行政院不要把大內宣塑造成談判英雄最後卻犧牲人民的權益為全國孩子們打造一個安全的生長環境吧謝謝 |
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各位同仁院長還有我們今天與會的所有的官員們今天是有一些話想要對我們在野黨的同仁說也對所有的國民說我知道我們的政治立場是很不太一樣但是在這一個國防特別條約的時候我有看到說許多的年輕的委員很多新生代委員願意展現出誠意不管是在會前會後會中都想要找一個共同點 |
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想要找一個中間點想要找一個折衝點那朝野喜商也是一樣那我想民主的這個進程很明顯就是我們不可能任何一個政黨都一樣它沒有辦法得到我們所有想要達成的政策目標那這就是為什麼現在的民主政治會有制衡可是我還是要強調一下我們堅持的 |
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國防特別條例裡面的1.25兆裡面的不對稱戰力在我們談論的這幾個月的過程當中到昨天最後在協商的時候我發覺到時候我們沒有找到折衝點甚至我們又回到過去 |
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因為就國民黨的在第五條裡面的針對這個不對稱戰利的計畫採購他把這些項目重樣的重新再羅列一次也就是回到最開始3800加N的這個狀況 |
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那我們也看到說在這幾個月從這個盧市長到這一個徐曉新委員韓國瑜院長然後昨天前天趙超康先生他其實慢慢的在把數字跟這一個採購的項目它的概括性在擴大可是昨天 |
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很遺憾回到我們的第五條裡面那還是一樣再回到三個月前四個月前的這個進度那我們覺得這樣子的話就是沒有討論為基礎就是沒有再對話這樣子的話這樣朝野協商就沒有完成好的協商所以我還是要呼籲善意是可以累積的善意是透過對話來去達成的 |
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那在這個過程當中我們會有很多爭論但是至少我們還是要往前走那我一直在講說三階段我們第一階段應該是要把軍購完整的納入整個項目再來第二個 維治台美合作的部分那最後再把商購來做全面性的討論可是我們最近這幾次的討論還是一樣從第一關就卡關所以我這邊還是要強調在野黨 |
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去中國跟中國談判或者是中國來去對話但是有一個最重要的底氣就是台灣的國防如果我們台灣沒有具備任何的不對稱戰力不管是無人載具反制無人載具的能力的話那你們的對話就沒有意義你們的對話沒有辦法建立在實力上面我們一直說 |
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用實力達成和平那我們要有至少在臺灣我們的國土範圍內的絕對的實力才能達到絕對的和平這個部分還是請財政黨來思考一下好 謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請蔡春籌委員發言羅志強委員請準備 |
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院長各位同仁大家早今天我想從剛才看到的國際趨勢出發來談談台灣目前最急迫的轉型危機金融時報在4月13日有一篇報導明確的指出亞太地區新創版圖正在發生劇烈的變動南韓新加坡 |
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甚至印度都在請全國致力將AI轉化為產業產主在這一份亞太高速成長公司的一個排行中新加坡和印度各佔101家日本有82家南韓有76家台灣只有入選16家在這一份常列500家的一個 |
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榜當中我一直看到第97才看到第一家台灣公司上榜我們政府投入了大量的資源在AI的一個研發補助設立了很多的研究計畫但大家看一看我們的AI軟體產業產值在哪裡呢 |
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如果我們只會做硬體沒有軟體的靈魂那台灣在AI時代就只有做白人的代工廠我在此對行政院提出三點強烈的建議第一 跳脫硬體思維補助政策不能只有看到 |
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產線或是硬體的採購要真正將獎勵軟體開發還有數據的服務將產值的轉換第二要建立產業示範區 |
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將AI導致教育跟運動產業讓新創的技術有實驗的場域把研發能量跟商業產值第三 人才培育國際化不能只會寫程式要培養出能定義全球規格 具備商業思維的AI人才 |
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院長 富國神山不能只有一座當硬體優勢已經全球分散化的時候台灣的軟體實力還有世紀價值畢竟要成為我們新的防護網不要讓台灣的AI實力只停留在實驗室的報告書裡我們要讓它成為實實在在的國家競爭力 |
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龍奎簡可怕但是龍奎簡政府更可怕 |
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龍奎簡很毒但是龍奎簡政府更毒最近我們在網路上我看到一個不可思議的景象整個是我們綠色網軍洗腦的一個政治奇蹟在宣傳龍奎簡不可怕發芽的馬鈴薯可以吃不要擔心為什麼 |
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因為我們出了一個龍奎簡政府今天在對美的談判上食安大開口直接放棄了今天對於馬鈴薯發芽的一個邊境管制為了要今天去轉這個龍奎簡政府的場就出現了這些洗腦的言論我這邊再次強烈的告訴大家 |
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龍奎減很可怕發芽的馬鈴薯不能吃不要今天看到民進黨放寬了食安的標準就連自己的健康安全都不管啦開始洗腦啊過去我們可以看到馬鈴薯一旦有發芽腐爛就要整批退運啊可是我們政府談的ART改成新制 |
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發芽或品質異常不再一律整批退運都發現發芽跟腐爛了沒有退運先送到指定加工廠由業者選別挑出發芽個體銷毀這不是放寬什麼是放寬從發芽就整批退的嚴格的食安把關到最後要單顆處理這就是出賣台灣人民的健康 |
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政府事前偷跑低調公告縮短預告期就在ART的記者會上完全不提今天放寬發芽馬鈴薯進到台灣來只會喝珍奶大肆慶祝製造一片生平的景象 |
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被抓包以後 幹什麼呢告訴大家 我會一顆一顆檢查左宗泰講的不要擔心我們偉大的龍奎檢政府一定會一顆一顆檢查馬鈴薯騙你的什麼叫一顆一顆檢查每年一億顆以上的進口馬鈴薯你今天進來以後民進黨政府的做法是什麼所謂逐顆查驗政府人力不夠是交給廠商查 |
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親愛的台灣人民 你能相信嗎這個政府比龍奎簡還要毒 謝謝好 謝謝羅志強委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請林倩琪委員發言 侯孟愷委員請準備 |
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政府是不是在貿易談判當中用國人的健康作為交換的籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
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近期台美貿易協定放寬了發芽馬鈴薯的進口規定衛福部對於榮奎減榮許值從零容忍到容納200ppm這是重大的食安退讓農業部還幫腔說這是在比照日本本時要呼籲如果要學日本就請學整套的制度不能用半套來誤導國人 |
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日本嚴格限制進口馬鈴薯不得進入生鮮市場只能走極少數管道直接進入特定加工廠而且在工廠內只要發芽超過一定的標準就必須整批淘汰讓毒素沒有機會流入市場這是一套從源頭到末端的封閉管理機制反觀台灣呢現在不僅是邊境放寬標準容許部分發芽 |
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检验也是看是否低于数值发霉不够严重的就不用整批销毁甚至只要单颗剔除就可以继续流通成人呢摄取过量的龙葵碱会中毒严重的甚至会危及生命对孩童的风险更高政府却用低于标准即可轻描淡写的带过面对质疑 |
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我們左院長竟然在國會的殿堂上表示可以整櫃檢查每一顆拿出來檢驗這種發言是對全民嘗試挑戰的不負責任的發言這是試圖用誇張不實的承諾來掩蓋制度的漏洞豬肉目前至少還有產地標示讓消費者有選擇權但是發芽馬鈴薯一旦進入了加工體系消費者還有辨識的能力嗎 |
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本席在這邊嚴正呼籲三點第一涉及毒品風險的農產品必須要採取嚴格的進口與流向管制第二可能進入加工體系的原料應該建立強制標示與溯源制度 |
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第三涉及食安浪部的贸易谈判内容都应该要公开透明接受国会与社会的检验如果政府一再退让却不能诚实地面对风险最终被侵蚀的不是只有食安防线而是人民对整个政府的信任 |
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本席呼籲行政院停止用話術來哄騙社會應該要回歸到制度面去做檢討請卓院長不要再用每一科都檢查這樣不切實際的說法來糊弄人民政府要守住的是國人最基本好謝謝林建琦委員的反應謝謝接下來我們請本日國事論壇最後一位發言侯孟凱委員請發言 |
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主席 梁院院長以及各位同仁上個禮拜我們在討論邊形打詐本席在國事論壇裡面再一次強調邊形打詐是要讓全民有一個能夠表達意見的機會我們用公投的方式是要訴諸直接的民意我們希望讓政府聽見人民對於詐騙真的深惡痛絕沒有辦法再接受但很遺憾的是我覺得現在的執政黨也好或是說綠營也好是完全劃錯重點 |
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你應該要去思考的是為什麼提出邊行打詐公投或是邊行打詐對付虐童性侵詐騙要用邊行這樣的方式民意為何高漲 |
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| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
綠營現在風向非常的荒謬非常的混亂非常的奇怪一開始先講說是人權倒退這是退步的法令後來發覺民意不站在這一邊又在講說要改口要加碼要把國安反滲透甚至超速維停全部納進來變成邊形的對付對象 |
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這種荒謬至極的講法除了民粹 除了想要把它混淆視聽我真的不知道有什麼實質能夠理性討論的空間其實政府 卓院長或是我們相關的文武百官們大家思考一下一句話 |
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1363.328 |
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1379.753 |
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武狀元舒啟兒這部電影裡面講的丐幫之所以人多絕對不是丐幫幫主英明神武而是取決於皇帝的治理是否良好如果皇帝今天真的千秋萬世文成武德的話誰都不想要去當乞丐 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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鬼才想要去當乞丐一樣的道理今天如果說政府對於詐騙犯罪的態度是積極的是有效的是嚇阻的是能夠讓詐騙集團消失在台灣社會的我們為什麼要去討論邊行就是因為過去這幾年民眾看到性侵、虐童、詐騙、犯罪持續層出不窮甚至讓 |
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1411.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1428.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
加害者沒有嚇阻效果 沒有警惕效果 沒有恐懼效果當台灣已經走向實質廢止的時候我們能不能有一個更強而有力的武器去保護人民的公平正義這才是這個提案最終的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1430.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1449.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
我就說如果今天卓院長你可以下令一個月內讓詐騙數消失一半讓詐騙集團離開台灣馬上邊行打炸公投沒有人要討論因為我們不用了就是因為過去這幾年沒有這樣的效果也因此本席真的要呼籲 |
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1450.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1460.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
看清重點 認清方向所有執政團隊大家一起動起來做一些實事而不是再用網軍帶風向網軍帶的風向沒有辦法阻擋台灣2350萬人真實的民主 |
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1466.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1468.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
好 謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言 謝謝 |