| IVOD_ID |
17373 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17373 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T08:36:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:40:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d7a173d75aaeaa133696f162c81ae2c09b1d480c4e0b4ea52a44ef31a11995a6b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。（僅詢答）
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金－作業基金：（僅詢答）
（一）國軍退除役官兵安置基金。
（二）榮民醫療作業基金。
（4月22日及23日二天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:50 - 12:17:00 |
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報告委員會初期委員12人已足法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀第十次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期外交及國防委員會第十次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年四月十五日星期三上午九十二分至十一時五十四分地點紅樓森林一會議室出席委員陳永康等十四人列席委員洪孟凱等八人列席人員外交部政務次長陳明祺 |
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及所屬人員經濟部主任秘書莊明慈國家發展委員會主任秘書張朝能主席馬昭吉委員文君報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定 |
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二、邀請外交部部長林佳龍經濟部報告美伊戰爭情勢發展對亞太戰略局勢及經濟安全之影響並請國家發展委員會列席並被質詢外交部政務次長陳明啟經濟部主任秘書莊明慈報告委員陳俊宇等14人質詢均由外交部政務次長陳明啟、亞西及非洲司司長嚴嘉良 |
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歐洲司司長黃軍耀、拉丁美洲及加勒比海司司長韓志正、國際傳播司司長張秀珍、經濟部主任秘書莊明慈及國家發展委員會主任秘書張朝能等及其答覆決定依登記諮詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二、委員陳永康、黃育翔所提書面諮詢列入記錄刊登公報三、委員所提書面及口頭諮詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊 |
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請相關機關於二周內以書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會委員令指定期限者從期鎖定宣讀完畢請議事人員宣讀討論事項 |
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1597.617 |
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討論事項一審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會主管收資部分僅詢答二審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金作業基金包括僅詢答一國軍退出役官兵安置基金二榮民醫療作業基金宣讀完畢 |
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現在介紹在場委員及與會官員陳永康委員謝謝那這次的列席官員有我們的退府會主任委員嚴德發最好副主委傅政成副主委陳靜廣副主委吳志揚 |
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1623.57 |
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早安早 祖密楊長正 重規署處長萬文卓 服務照顧處處長羅銀陽 救養養護處處長陳向寶 救學就業處長池玉蘭 |
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1653.339 |
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就醫保健處處長劉俊正事業管理處處長董少明 |
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1654.588 |
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1665.953 |
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退出吉夫處處長羅馬可行政管理處處長詹光宇人事處處長陳家世政風處處長高伯陽會計處處長林耀元統計資訊處處長張志強法規會執行秘書陳靜茹台北農民總醫院院長陳威明 |
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1706.362 |
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台中農民總醫院院長傅雲慶高雄農民總醫院院長陳金碎屏東農民醫院總醫院院長王蕙祥台北農民總醫院蘇澳分院院長熊孟平台北農民總醫院桃園分院院長彭佳勳台北農民總醫院新竹分院院長陳真基 |
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台北榮民總醫院玉里分院院長胡宗明台中榮民總醫院埔里分院院長張仁義台中榮民總醫院嘉義分院院長陳振隆 |
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1739.246 |
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高雄農民總議院台南部院院長鄭明芳執訓中心主任關永忠清淨農場廠長王仁柱福壽山農場廠長林齊輝武陵農場廠長陳順儒彰化農場廠長胡發濤台東農場廠長高國書農民工程股份有限公司青算人代表楊長正 |
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農民農卷基金會秘書長劉協慶國防部資源規劃室能力資源處專委林靜芬國防部資源規劃室能力資源處中校林宥昌 |
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國防部政治作戰局政治政戰綜合處中校宋憲宜國防部人事參謀次長是人事勤務處中校黃真榮行政院主計總署公務預算處專務委員陳淑萍行政院主計總署基金預算處科長謝明杰本日會議審查一五年度中央政府總預算 |
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關於國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分及負責單位預算兩項作業基金案請作詢答現在請閻主委上台報告謝謝 |
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1812.993 |
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1826.086 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好陳鵬各位委員先進對本會各項施政工作的指導與支持謹置最崇高的敬意與謝誠大院審查通過的本會114年度稅務預算7億8825萬1000元 |
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1841.915 |
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及税出预算1309亿5357元57万8千元含最佳预算执行率分别为109.92%以及97.38% |
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1846.957 |
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1866.433 |
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另外本會為落實政府賦予妥善照顧退出役官兵的政策設置國軍退出役官兵安置基金以及榮民醫療作業基金114年度依基金收支保管運用辦法及營運目標省政執行結果剩餘分別為16億5945萬3000人以及50億46038000人 |
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1897.654 |
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本會一百一十五年度預算遵循行政院一百一十五年度施政方針通盤檢視現有施政計劃優先順序以及實施效益編程接續請本會會計處處長就一百一十五年度施政的重點主管預算編列情形向各位委員先進報告敬請指導與支持謝謝 |
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1922.673 |
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主席 各位委員先進 大家好現僅就115年度施政重點預算編列情形栽爆以後115年度施政重點一 進進AI人才培育 產學產訓 接軌職場在職業訓練方面 持續優化教學設施 落實訓用合一 |
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1929.617 |
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1952.668 |
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強化訓後及就業的銜接機制提升職場競爭力在就學輔導方面落實入學及就業後職國家產業人力資源二、跨域整合統籌資源多元服務全新照顧各地融合處作為社會支援服務平台積極鏈接社會團體獲得物資及善款 |
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1956.328 |
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1978.562 |
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推動社會良善循環 進行倒載服務方式對具高風險對象主動協助山莊安心育老 遠距居家照顧系統三 深化國際退伍合作 強化互動 鞏固友誼本會持續深化與美國退伍軍人相關單位交流參與華府國殤日遊行 提升國際能見度 |
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1982.464 |
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1998.391 |
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並邀請全球各榮光會代表環國參加榮民節慶祝活動凝聚榮巧向心四、全能整合精準照護健康高齡永續發展補助各級榮業辦理高齡醫學、社區醫療、公共衛生 |
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2004.008 |
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2028.423 |
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及安寧療護等四項計畫配合長照3.0政策積極佈建長照資源運用人工智慧結合科技輔具建立依照整合之長照服務網絡使失能失智者都獲得妥適的照顧服務以提升照護效率落實賴總統健康台灣的願景五 |
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2029.781 |
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2056.408 |
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智慧科技照顧健康、樂齡安老、品質提升本會積極推動家庭化、社會化、智能化三大目標漸進導入智慧科技概念透過數據分析、優化照護策略使農民入住農家能享受更好的生活品質六、何時發放退儲給予妥善照顧退後生活建立跨部會協調機制 |
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2058.444 |
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2071.952 |
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即使辦理停發及預發手腳何時發放退儲給予推動檢證便民運用AI資訊科技強化線上服務修正法令擴大服務照顧政策三 |
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2073.817 |
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2093.707 |
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一百一十五年度主管預算編列情形一稅入部分一百一十五年度編列七億兩百八十二萬三千元叫一百一十四年度簡列八千五百四十二萬八千元按收入來源分數如下一花款及賠償收入三百三十三萬一千元二 |
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2094.087 |
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2096.149 |
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貴會收入3億5,063萬2千元3.財產收入1,080萬元4.其他收入3億3,806萬元2.稅數部分 |
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2109.912 |
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2125.438 |
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一百一十五年度編列一千三百二十五億六千零七十一萬四千元較一百一十四年度增加十六億七百一十三萬六千元主要系增列退除一官兵退休幾戶七億四千七百五十六萬一千元 |
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2126.378 |
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2153.857 |
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農民券健保補助四億兩千兩百九十七萬八千元安養機構造福源護理及儲供人員三億七百一十七萬一千元及提升私事照顧量能長照萬火園區中層計畫五千五百七十四萬元一 救血持續方面編列三千八百零九萬六千元包括一 辦理招商作業及救血輔導措施一百四十萬三千元二 |
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2157.493 |
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職業訓練中心行政維持會1600萬3000元3.執運中心黃色整建工程1875萬元4.採購公務車194萬元2.服務照顧方面編列6億5742萬1000元 |
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2174.465 |
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2180.668 |
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包括一 青藍農民子女就學及午餐補助等1260萬5千元二 志願服務組長及榮欣志工 |
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2186.618 |
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2214.838 |
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一億五千一百五十一萬八千元三 急難救助及三節慰問三億兩千七百一十八萬七千元四 八二三及六一九未救養農民三節慰問等五千兩百九十四萬一千元四 辦理農民及新住民生活適應輔導強化海內外退伍軍人聯繫九千七百三十四萬元六 台灣公務車一千五百八十三萬元 |
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2216.761 |
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2226.248 |
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三人員維持及行政業務方面編列38億2128000元包括一辦理各項輔導業務所需人員維持費34億6859萬元二基本行政作業費2億59677000元三汰換公務車195萬元四北勞系樹大樓及松柏新村整修工程編列9099萬1000元四 |
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2246.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2262.943 |
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就醫保健方面 並列132億3163萬5千元包括依補助各種種集齊分孕醫學臨床教學與研究配合國家政策推動精準健康照護產業 |
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2264.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2278.792 |
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進行癌症免疫細胞治療再生細胞治療精準醫學人工智慧高齡醫學及長期照護等前瞻創新之研究計畫11億380萬8千元增列121萬1千元2補助榮民及眷屬健保會及健保醫療部分負擔費用94億5278萬2千元增列4億 |
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2291.958 |
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2295.901 |
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2,297萬8千元3.榮民醫療照護26億7,504萬5千元增列3,950萬7千元5.救養養護方面編列84億351萬8千元包括1. |
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2310.223 |
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2325.293 |
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補助就養基於五十六億三千三百七十萬六千元二一百一十五年委外護理人員改採約用方式編列容加照護人力經費十七億八千一百九十七萬四千元 |
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2327.756 |
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2334.34 |
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3.榮民安養及養護經費4億1751萬5千元4.長照萬我園區4億8614萬元與安養機構房舍整建工程7528萬3千元5.泰萬電動車890萬元6.退儲業務方面編列1063億8983萬6千元包括 |
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2354.824 |
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2370.596 |
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一次退伍金 退休奉等人事費782億2337萬9千元二 移住退伍基金100億元三 年金改革節省機會移住退伍基金49億6092萬元四 優存差息補助經費126億9600萬元五 水電優待補助經費5億372萬8千元六 |
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2381.462 |
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2404.285 |
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退組給予發放作業經費580萬9千元 其第一倍金編列1900萬元 結餘退府工作關係國防建軍及社會安定勝據本會將持續竭盡所能 完善退府制度接下來報告115年度附屬單位預算編列情形 首先報告 |
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國軍退除役官兵安置基金等會國軍退除役官兵安置基金下設親近農場、武嶺農場、福壽山農場、彰化農場及台東農場五個分基金自律與輔導國軍退除役官兵就業及精進農業生產及投資事業管理永續積極落實基金之設置功能 |
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1.115年度業務計畫重點1.產學合作增進學能2.多元執行打造技能3.公私協力穩定就業4.推動農訓專案及永續經營5.強化油氣設施建設帶動觀光永續發展6.多元行銷推廣提升農場品牌價值 |
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7.強化安全管控,促進永續經營2.115年度預算編列進行1.收支餘處總收入30億1754萬1千元較114年度增加7337萬9千元約2.49% |
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二 總支出 編列21億3855萬元較114年度增加5083萬約2.43%三 本期剩餘8億7899萬1千元較114年度增加2254萬9千元約2.63%二 固定資產建設改良擴充 編列1億8326萬2千元 |
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系 更新各項油氣設施與教學設備三 資金資轉投資配合各公司政治計畫編列投資金額1億元接下來報告榮民醫療作業基金本會榮民醫療作業基金下設台北、台中、高雄及屏東榮民總醫院四個分基金以支付盈虧方式運作提供退職役官兵及民眾優質健康照護 |
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同時執行國家衛生政策推動醫學教學訓練及研究以後值榮民醫療體系競爭力及提升服務品質1.115年度業務計畫重點1.精進人力資源優化醫療效能2.強化疾病篩檢促進全民健康3.創新先端醫療發展智慧照護 |
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四 優化醫療服務 落實友善就醫五 整合長期照護 建構安牢體系二 一百一十五年度預算編列進行一 收支餘處 總收入906億2689萬9千元較一百一十四年度增加58億3491萬元 約百分之六點八八 |
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二 總支出編列870億2,031,000元較114年度增加54億7,102萬元 約6.71%三 本期剩餘36億6,868,000元較114年度增列3億6,389萬元 約11.22% |
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二 固定資產建設改良擴充 編列120億3172萬元包括專案計畫29億609萬8千元一般建築及設備計畫90億7162萬2千元本會依據基金收支保管及運用辦法審慎營運力求財務狀況穩健 並能循環運用 永續發展 有助於 |
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退出一官兵就業技能專長培訓就業媒合國家醫學發展及農民券醫療照護等將結合前瞻思維持續精進提升輔導退出一官兵就業量能及服務品質敬請各位委員先進不吝指正與支持謝謝 |
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好 謝謝補充介紹陳俊宇委員羅美玲委員我們先來確認議事錄請問在場委員對於議事錄有無疑漏或錯誤需要更正之處沒有好 議事錄確定 |
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現在開始詢答本會委員4加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點半截止4加210點半截止發言登記 如有臨時提案請於10點半前提出11點左右處理現在請陳俊宇委員上台質詢好 謝謝趙偉 我們有請閻主委 |
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好 主委早今天我們想先跟退伍會所屬的機構對於勞動權益保障來進行討論這個議題我想過去也曾經跟您討論過我想政府必須要克遵法令維護勞工的基本權益這也是主委您所要追求的一個基本原則 |
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那尤其目前台灣正面臨嚴峻的這種缺工潮那無論是醫療體系的這個護理人員還是各大農場的基層同仁都相當難招募到薪水加入那如果我們退伍會所轄管的相關機構屢屢傳出違反勞動法令的這個情勢不但是有損我們現職同仁的這個權益更有損整個退伍會體系的一個聲譽 |
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那恐怕會造成留不住現有的人才也招募不到薪水的一個惡性循環那政府應該作為表率帶頭示範如何來建立一個友善合法的一個勞動環境所以我們對於這個退伍會所轄管的醫療觀光乃至於轉投資的相關事業 |
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必然會以更高的標準來做檢視那這幾年多次發生違反勞動法令的案件其中一定有需要檢討的部分先從醫院的部分來討論我們從勞動部所公開的相關資料來看 |
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光是今年以來被處分的案件當中有包括勞基法、職安法還有災保法等案例並且在這個案例的數量相較前幾年都有顯著的一個增加的情況那我想這部分我想先請教主委針對我們榮總體系 |
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仍舊出現違反勞動法令的這種情勢那目前改善的狀況為何退會有沒有檢討這個案例增加的原因是什麼 |
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謝謝委員的指導我想這個非常重要維護我們勞工的權益這是一定要做的我們這些職場都是營造一個友善的職場我們統計115年違反勞動基準法相關的容願有五家容願五家容願這裡面有六個案件我們分別都已經處理了主要它是申請加班 |
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或者是拆群的刷卡記錄可能都有一些疏失這些我們分別都來督導給大家改善拆群系統一定要核實記錄然後出群的記載要精確到分中 |
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嚴禁個人私下記載然後育育財線上系統來佐證這些剛剛跟委員報告的五家榮業六個案件我們分別都各案都分別來管制來指導他們完成改善的作為而且納入我們年度的績效考核加強勞動法制的一些教育訓練這是我們有關於榮業方面跟委員做回報已經有掌握相關的這個改進的一個進度吧 |
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是都有為了督促我們醫院能夠強化法尊我們也看到勞動部在去年的8月1號生效新規定將針對醫學中心還有區域醫院違反勞基法將面臨加重的法源 |
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那個結合這個勞動部加重裁法的這個標準我想請教主委是我們退伍會有沒有強化哪些內部控制還有這個管理的相關機制以確保這些醫院必須要落實規定也確實可以保障我們醫護人員的一個基本權請台北紅總院長跟您報告好請陳院長謝謝委員關心這個議題現在遵守勞動法令這是我們非常重要一件事情對不起 |
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因為現在的醫事人力嚴重短缺如果再不遵守法令根本收不到人所以醫院裡面的各委員會相關委員會都定期來開會有勞動的投訴那甚至農總已經有工會台北農總已經有工會我們都會非常的重視然後一直討論如果有違法的地方我們一定要馬上改進但是呢這個案件上裡面其中有一件其實助理醫師聘用助理醫師他沒有適用勞基法 |
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那所以我們現在訴願但是沒有經過我們解釋就已經開罰所以其實報告委員我們還是有點委屈不過呢我們會繼續的訴願可以申訴申訴好那另外我想參考這個立法院的預算中心所統計的相關資料在107年到114年我們違反勞基法的案件當中 |
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最普遍的是違反的這個樣態就是違反第24條那剛剛可能就是主委您說的高達六次的部分 |
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那所佔的這個違反案件的事成這些違規內容基本上都是這個延長工作的時間未加給這個工資那另外休息日延長工時也未給這個工資那直到今年這個違反的案例當中仍然有相關的情勢這個出現那針對這個加班未確實 |
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幾星的部分 究竟是因為我們醫院內部的這個作業規定還是行政管理上的一個漏洞那退伍費我們要如何來確實改善所以各位委員包括這個我們從兩方面都做一個檢討我們第一個就是加班他一定要有必要性那應該是經過主管的指派或者同意之後再來去做這樣就不會產生一個落差 |
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然後如果要加班一定要依法核發這個加班費這是一個人性化的管理然後用系統出勤的紀錄來計算剛剛跟委員報告這要計算到到分鐘那如果如果沒有禁止申報加班那麼核消一律就線上系統來辦理那這些我們相關的一些管制作為都持續來督導來管制來改善 |
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那我想我們今天從這個醫療體系啦特別是我們最辛苦的醫護人員延伸談到我們退伍會所屬的農場的這個相關基層同仁不是要針對個案來詢問而是要檢討我們整個體系的這個管理缺失但是如果連國家所屬的我們的醫療機構還有我們的事業單位都無法提供一個合法友善的勞動環境 |
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我們自己在想恐怕會很難期待到優秀人才會願意留下來為我們國家為民眾來服務所以這部分我想也請我們主委能以最高的標準來檢視那也請主委和我們各單位的主管還有我們相關的負責人能夠多加留意我們剛剛所提的部分確實來做改善提升我們的一個服務的效能 |
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好 以上謝謝主委 謝謝主委謝謝陳軍營委員接下來我們有請羅美玲委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席,有請嚴主委,還有我們榮總的幾位院長,北榮陳院長,鍾榮副院長,還有高雄榮總陳院長,屏東榮總王院長 |
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主委早安首先我要先肯定北榮因為上次本席在這裡就針對於有關於新住民門診諮詢專線這個部分我們說應該要清楚的標示顯示在我們的網頁本席一下了諮詢台然後我們北榮當天馬上就來做調整 |
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所以予以肯定那因為我看到有這個除了英文版之外還有越南版當然如果加上有印尼版會更好因為我們不管是新住民也好或是外籍移工其實越南跟印尼其實是人數是居多的那當然其實當天我不是只有要求北榮其實那時候我有要求各個這個榮總的這個醫院都要比照來辦理那目前我所看到只有北榮 |
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有這個專線的這個顯示因為我覺得這個專線的顯示其實很重要因為對於移工也好或者是新住民也好可以在這網頁的這個禁用性來講的話其實是加強了非常的多所以呢本身是希望這個部分呢我們警察榮總體系呢都可以來設置這個新住民諮詢的這個專頁因為我看陳院長已經站在這裡準備要針對這部分來回答所以這部分你要再加強說明一下嗎 |
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真的非常謝謝委員,當天你的指示我們就做了你剛才的指示加上印尼,今天下午就做好 |
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3290.809 |
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今天下午就做好所以表示說其實要做的話其實是很快的今天就做好如果還有沒有什麼語言需要的話再交代一下是是是是這個部分的話但是我們都是兄弟一員是我們做一條心我們做他們都跟一起做是所以我自己也是想說一定要比照來做辦理因為可以當天一下質詢台就可以馬上處理的話我想這個門檻沒有很高啦所以其他的 |
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3294.991 |
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院所應該要來比照辦理今天這個部分是要來肯定我們北榮北榮是龍頭其他各種院都會效仿是是是我是希望下次我在進入到各個醫院的這個網站的時候都可以看到類似的這個網頁專線 |
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OK好那再來呢也是跟我們榮總有關係的就是我是看到了這個審計部的審計報告我本來是想說可以拿到114年的這個資料可是目前還沒有出來那我現在看到的是113年各榮總住院病患的人日數 |
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那我們可以看到就是說我們這個各種種整體的實際的人數是比這個疫情少了7.01%其實就是少了減少了25萬人那我有看到裡面的資料有提到就是說北榮市因為玉里鳳林台東分院及屏東 |
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榮總醫事人力不足所以導致住院人日數減少那這個我們可以理解可是很有趣的是整個數據上來看我們看到中榮喔中榮居然他是增加的他的這個住院病患人日數是比預期的增加了36555人那我反而是要問說中榮怎麼做得到 |
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因為其他的都有面臨這個醫事原因不足的問題因為我看到屏東融種甚至是比原來一起的少了百分之三十以上所以中融怎麼做得到的 |
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為什麼您的數字謝謝委員那主委給我們的指導就是要照顧好我們的醫護同仁所以我們目前各項福利措施還不錯所以目前並沒有人力短缺的問題那3月32號我們還得到衛福部我們友善護理職場認證醫學中心典範獎所以我們目前沒有任何的護理或者其他醫治人員短缺的問題所以我們可以繼續召開所以而且我們一直 |
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可能口碑還不錯所以服務量能一直成長以上報告報告委員可以容我說幾句話是是是都可以來說本容是這樣子因為我們每一個月拿到的衛福部的三班護病比搭票獎金是所有公立院最高的 |
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但是現在的治療跟過去的治療不一樣榮總的床很多現在漸漸的門診化譬如說化療以前要住院現在都已經導入門診所以我們門診成長了住院降低了這樣住院降低我刻意把它降低為什麼呢可以讓我們的護理師不要那麼辛苦 |
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而且讓病人可以降低他的指數他不用住院他不用花錢當天往返所以我們的門診這個全球的趨勢門診化是重要的那但是護理的照護品質委員你相信我應該是效能濃度最高的 |
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OK 好剛剛那個我們陳院長有提到就是這個有關於就是說對我們的住院病患人日數減少可是我們門診的這部分有增加我確實有看到這個數據有113年的部分確實是台北榮總是提高了7.77%然後屏東榮總呢雖然說他的這個 |
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住院病患人數比預期少了百分之三十以上實際上他的這個門診病患的這個人數是增加的 |
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那我是114年上任那屏東總去年的護理師進增加是68人那今年到4月為止目前我們招募護理師是100人就是截至到上個禮拜那今年有新開一個加護病房那4月份新開一個急診病房那今年會一共會再開 |
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後面七月跟十月會各再開一個急性病房所以今年的住院人數跟預算數應該會達標那另外我們在做重度急救責任醫院的部分比期程提早了一年希望明年可以達標這樣OK好那再來呢高雄榮總要說明一下嗎 |
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謝謝 也謝謝委員的資料那高雄農總的話其實醫院的收入 整體收入來講我們三家總院的現在整體收入都很持平穩定財務大概都很穩健那我們這個收入主要還是門及住那現在委員所提的是住院上面的一個情況那目前我們高雄農總在住院情況大概跟其他總院都一樣都還蠻相對穩定的那這是正常的一個起伏目前在門診上面也是持續的在2014年上面持續的一直往上提升那住院大概就持平 情況是穩定的 |
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謝謝委員的指導所謂穩定的話是說我看不到114年的資料因為我們看今天的報告好像也沒提到這麼細節的東西像高雄榮總跟屏東榮總基本上來講我在數字上看到的是沒有達到預期的標準 |
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文藝超標的我自看到的是中榮那當然剛剛的解釋是說也許就是說我的住院門診人數雖然少了可是我可能就是著重在門診的這個部分可以理解啦而倒是屏東對啊屏東我還是得要問一下因為像之前的話你們113年喔你們比預期少了百分之30以上其實這個是這個數字上來講的話是落差是比較大我不曉得114年這部分有沒有改善 |
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報告委員我們114年的住院人日數有快速增加我們的總醫療收入是增加5.3億醫療收入來自於門診病患增加跟住院人日數增加所以目前整個招收護理師的情況都相當的不錯 |
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所以到目前為止都是在惠里市的招聘這部分是順利的是不是目前來講的話因為之前我看到審計報告是說因為我們醫護人力不足才會造成目前所看到的這個榮總的住院變化人數是少的原因是因為來自於這裡所以目前都有補足是不是各個我們各個榮總體系都有補足這部分是不是 |
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報告委員113年應該是護理師不夠導致各病房的收支率沒有辦法滿載那目前護理師都都不僅遭受順利而且都逐漸在增開新病房 |
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OK 好 謝謝因為時間的關係因為我覺得我們榮總一直都是我們醫療體系的這個標杆那當然我們看到數據上有一些落差的時候會來想了解到底是發生什麼事情那我們當然是希望能夠更好OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝委員指導謝謝榮委員 接下來我們請黃仁委員 |
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謝謝主席,有請我們演出委我們請主委黃委員長 |
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主委早想探討一下我們在去年立法院6月10號通過的一個三路通過國軍退儲役官兵輔導條例第27條之2的修正案恢復上校以上退儲役軍人職子女教育補助費在去年的6月27號公布實施 |
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那輔導會完成法規審查明年7月明定去年8月1號就要實施了實行不過退不會在115年的這個 |
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預算子女教育補助費編列4億9千萬那和往年的額度差不多顯然是來不及將上校以上退出於金人子女的教育補助費編進去那請問一下 |
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這個制度在去年的8月1號就應該實施法規的部分已經完善了但是現在還沒有發放的原因是什麼是行政院卡住了還是因為輔導會不敢編補助這個經費主委你來說明一下報告委員跟委員說明一下 |
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這件事情大院通過之後我們完成法定的程序公告然後開始審議會發給辦法完成之後我們在去年九月初送到行政院那院裡面主要考慮整個要更周延那就是所謂的軍公教都能夠資源共享都能把這件事做好所以花園實際上要做一些整合跟審查 |
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我們這段時間分成三個層面不斷的跟行政院保持聯繫第一個層面就是業館的各處主他要去聯繫窗口第二個是我們的副主委第三是我本人院裡面所有的長官也好還有所有的政委以及各處我們都一直保持聯繫積極在作業 |
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那麼這筆預算我想我們輔導會可以用退出役官兵退休給付這個預算來支支是沒有問題的而且就是發給他們下來我們都可以用年度預算來支應這是沒有問題跟委員所說明 |
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因為這個本來就得以審查在朝野已經釋出了割退一步在這樣的一個氛圍之下本期期待上校以上退儲役軍人殖民教育補助費今年就可以真正的實行但是因為在預算中並不包含這個部分請問一下主委如果今年下半年要落實 |
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若是這個部分的補助,這經費要從哪裡編出來?年度的經費可以 |
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跟委員報告我是退出給付處的處長那我們基本上在我們的退出以官兵退休給付的人事費向下有編這一筆錢是四億九千萬那我們的退出業務費可以由這個他人事費的向下來檢討支應這個是沒有問題的只是因為現在發給辦法還沒有通過過的話我們一定會可以做一些補發以上報告好 |
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因為我們就按照依照預算法的第30條會期年度開始9個月前也就是說每一年的4月前行政院必須要先訂定下年度施政的方向所以現在輔導會差不多要開始要準備編列明年的一個概算 |
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今年度的預算來不及編那在這一次的編列明年度的預算的時候要把上校以上退出於職女教育補助費是不是可以編進去了是不是還不可以是可以把它編進去那另外就是 |
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本席在去年的10月這個輔導會的一個業務報告的時候向主委爭取希望榮民到精醫精醫院就診也可以免除健保部分的一個負擔但是主委向本席承諾輔導會會啟動這個工作那讓榮民不會面臨到這個選擇精醫或榮醫院的兩難也可以和錦霄海巡 |
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移民、空勤人員、現役退、現退役人員享受一樣的待遇所以據本席了解那輔導會經法規內部的研究後今年的3月30日已送出行政院會診各部會的意見了諸位事務了解一下行政院的意向那行政院會不會支持 |
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是 谢谢委员指导这个案子我们4月初把这个就是有志农民到军医院开放到军医院去看病这个案子我们完成了内部的作业之后送到行政院在4月初那么韩文送到行政院审议那么行政院目前 |
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相關的各處主計還有相關的各處在做一個審閱會辦當中我們一直都保持聯繫有掌握那目前狀況都正常我們現在等他下來之後我們就可以來做本席在這個地方希望行政院我呼籲行政院因為這個案子大家都非常的支持也認同為什麼 |
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因為這個是截變的一個事項、一個項目嘛對不對整合了所有的這些警、消、海巡、移民、空行人員及現退役人員享受一樣的待遇這樣的一個狀況我想諸位你當初去年11月的時候提到這個案子你非常很認同的也希望 |
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呼籲行政院趕快,趕快通過這個案子你們都已經呈報了嘛,對不對好,謝謝各位,謝謝委員 |
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謝謝主席 邀請退會的顏主委以及裴隆的陳院長請顏主委陳院長賴委員早早我想這個大家都了解啦 這個農民體系它主要三大塊嘛 是吧農民的救養這個老的跟 不要說老的 過去的跟現在的大家不一樣 關注眾都不一樣 |
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再過來是農場 再過來是事業那我今天跟你講的就是養老跟事業你這個事業講的是投資啦那這個養老部分像你就是農民中院這部分很大一塊很大一塊那現在我仔細讀了一下就農總的整個在2026的美國的媒體它的ranking這個主委是在第幾名吧 |
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所以觀光與資格來講的話這個陳院長啊來這裡當院長都委屈了他應該去當衛福部長也差不多這個這裡請問北龍一年賺多少錢一年研究二十幾億賺多少錢一年業內只有賺1.14億1.14還扣掉你餐飲的咧 |
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餐飲算業務外 美食街停車場加起來兩點多億台大多少台大我不知道它的數據好 我先跟你講一個題目 大債問的一個題目就是 這個 主委有沒有考慮過為了龍總的長遠發展 |
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榮總跟陽明合併併到教育部而不是退伍會這是一個很大的問題先聽我講完全世界好的大學你現在已經這麼頂尖了好的醫院基本上坐在大學裡面比如說哈佛比如說John Hopkins等等的很少說自己一個體系變成一個很頭的這個醫院或是醫學大學等等的 |
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因為畢竟有一個強有力的學術單位來給你back up我也仔細查一下台大它的論文數是比你強的它的基礎研究比你強那跨領域的研究比你強某種強的就是臨床醫學專科發展與應用所以這比較中間還是有區別的就以台大來講如果講SCI台大這部分是遙遙離線 籠總的我覺得這樣對吧 |
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其實楊明交大跟榮總現在的關係是非常密切雖然沒有結婚但是很快很早就睡在一起 |
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大家感情很好這比喻很好咧很早就睡 要怎麼睡在一起啦這條路咧因為我也是楊交大的教授兼任那我們楊明交大醫學院的院長是我們的副院長所以這關係 主委指示我們關係密切但是不見得來來來 我要強調這一點請問你 |
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這樣比喻不見得很好啦台大醫院 台大醫學院的院長大還是台大醫院的院長大 請問你我兩個都是好朋友 我覺得兩個都蠻大的但是不能講兩個都蠻大的啦台灣大型醫學院 輻射醫院好像是醫學院院長大 但是管理醫院是院長在管理是啦 醫學院當然大所以照理講的話 |
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陽明交大的那個醫學院長應該要比榮總院長大可是大家都知道榮總院長大所以你們現在是up級雖然睡在一起的位置不一樣對不對 是你大現在來講是榮總大 不是陽交大大報告委員跟委員報告研究的事情我要澄清一下現在我們的研究跟都市共同發表我們加起來的量能跟台大沒有差很多 |
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台灣史丹佛最好的臨床醫學領域的研究學者北榮跟台大一點都沒有輸你們那頂尖的吧 比如說Nature Science這個你跟台大比還是輸啊平均的影響因素非常相近我們就算那個影響因子而且對於學人 就是說醫學系的這些教授們其實鼓勵他們去做研究啦幹什麼的這一部分incentive不夠啦 |
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好 是再關心密切來 我就問你一個我最後一句話就問你一個某一個私立大學他說發表一篇在SCI裡面impact factor上有一定的weight比如五分以上所以你要不取然後可以給他免交一門課 |
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楊明可以做得到嗎?楊教導你幫忙做決定其實如果是我們共同發表的文章在榮總給的獎勵是非常高的那如果還不夠都可以討論可以再講話我現在跟你講 |
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某私立大學對於研究因為大家大學排名這個然後回過來最後一句話認真去思考這是一個世界的趨勢這個現在來講是頭重腳輕台大比台大就好了醫學系醫學院的院長他的位階絕對高於醫院的院長雖然院長資源很多很偉大但是在榮總不是榮總是榮總院長大 |
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陽明交大的醫學院的院長想基本上overall是這個樣子是不一樣的頭重腳輕現在是一個畸形的有bias你認認思考一下好不好這個今天就特別來這裡最後一點就是要肯定一下院長在主委面前肯定一下院長在找那個叫什麼院區來的什麼院區你說我們北榮信義院區北榮信義院區增加有多大 |
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總共包括虎林街旁邊加起來快兩千坪對於造福台北市人民要去就醫比較方便這一點值得肯定九千多萬我們絕對支持謝謝謝謝賴慈寶委員 各位請回接下來進行巡大委員 牛許廷委員謝謝主席 言主委有請來 主委請 |
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劉委員好主委早安這個上一次我們在退服會質詢的時候本席在這邊幫這個北榮桃分院的基層護理師請命希望可以改善他們的工作環境那是從這個閒置宿舍的盤點跟提供給這個在這邊服務的護理師這個方向 |
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來做這個要求那原主委當初非常爽快的答應一個月之內來盤點跟檢討那既然盤點跟檢討時間快到了我們當然也要持續來做追蹤就本席私底下的了解這你們確實有做盤點這本席給你們高度的肯定非常的有效率 |
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不過問題來了就是盤點的結果好像有點狀況就是說因為畢竟是閒置的宿舍啦時間長了所以有些房間可能是沒有整理的狀態牆壁斑駁啊過於老舊啊等等一些的狀況如果只是實際名義上我先開放但如果居住環境不夠好的話那恐怕就是失去了當初的這個美意嘛那現在盤點的結果怎麼樣請退幅會簡單做報告 |
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另外目前有多少間可以給大家來做申請針對不敷使用的部分配套的措施是什麼請檢要回答 謝謝 |
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現在他陶榮三班戶併比是ok符合規定的第一個人力這個委員關心的宿舍的問題他有分兩類一個是多房間的宿舍那多房間宿舍他有70戶70戶目前裡面空的有空房16戶16戶裡面有9戶是要代修的第二類是單房間的宿舍單房間宿舍是131床 |
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呃總共現在目前空床是15床那是15床那麼呃依據呃委員知道我們當然不希望這個空置太多但是陶榮完全是按照他呃相關申請的資格來做一些來一些一些配付啊對現在陶榮院長又來我請他再跟委員做個補充可以請 |
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委員好上次委員指導之後主委有立刻派我們副主委到現場去勘查我們現在房舍的狀況我們其實現在房舍佔用率大概是73.8%到87.2%實際上我們還有空的房間可以提供給院內執行職務的同仁申請 |
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所以這部分在臨床應用上面沒有問題跟委員保證那至於委員所提到我們有九間現在要因為三十多年要整修的那個是的確那個比較老舊那會上已經有指導我們今年已經開始規劃然後編列預算有編列預算啦 |
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要可能要在明年那我們今年會先規劃跟委員先報告如果可以的話當然因為你這個是醫院體系嘛財務上調度怎麼樣你們找一個可以最快處理的方案這是本期今天提質詢的要點嘛所以既然有好的事情就趕快來落實雖然你有七八成是滿足的但能夠釋出尤其是給這護理人員多一點的這個好的 |
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待遇我想對於再一次提升的人力它是有一定的幫助好吧請院長把這事放在心上在這個地方我們花一點點時間來做研討趕快來做執行可以嗎我們會盡快協助草叢拯救這個我也非常謝謝委員隊我們分院的支持跟幫忙因為我們醫院三十多年有很多地方都很老舊所以我們最近先把急性病房先整建了 |
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沒關係你醫院你要調度你的資源然後做一些合理的安排包含專業的醫療品質的提升這都是對的但我意思說不要忽略了這一段好這段我們撥一點經費至少讓他有進度讓他往前走可以嗎好謝謝好再來我接著請教一樣這個是人力缺額的部分因為這我們被預算中心的報告點名那當然他用的是112年的這樣一個數字說這個討分院的人員的缺額率25.09是相對偏高的 |
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那這個我們就問了退府會退府會回了一份這個相關的資料你講說我公職護理的空缺率已經歸零了那當然公職護理的空缺率降到零表示你很積極在做聘用這當然是表示你做了一定的努力不過我要提醒一下 |
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預算中心的報告裡面寫的其實是整體人力的缺額率它不是只是針對公職護理的空缺率我們當然都希望各方各面的人力的增補要能夠持續來做改善持續來趕上公職護理補齊了不表示這個數字它就可以 |
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有效降低啊對不對還是有努力精進的一些空間啊那請問現在的按照預算中心給你的指教這個實際人力啊也總體人力的缺額率現在是多少報告員我們現在整體容苑都是沙漢戶民筆還有日班的我知道你戶民筆有WR這個資料裡面有寫這個我曉得都是符合規定的 |
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來院長補充一下好了沒關係今天都特別來了謝謝你那個謝謝委員對於我們醫院的關心那在這邊報告其實我們現在現有的那個護理人力有312位那去年的話因為受到受到那個 |
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圍牢降臨退休的還有一些公職退休的那大概那個有14位可是我們今年就去年到現在我們公職了我們補了15位公職補滿沒有問題那在在那個契約的部分我們去年到現在總共補了97契約的補了82位所以我們現在的護理人力能夠應付我們現在的臨床需要 |
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這個事情這樣處理因為預算中心畢竟可以指教我們當然就在這個場合提出來做一下討論那你後續就按照預算中心的定義就是說他的缺額率是怎麼算那你這段時間針對這些的缺額你做了哪些改善的措施現在補充的狀況怎麼樣你回頭提問書面報告就好好不好我們來做長期追蹤我們當然不希望桃園被點名我們希望做好 |
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後發先至只要他能夠逐步的有改善有執政努力本期都會給你時間好讓我們就希望最後的結果是好的好最後一個要提醒這個一樣是有關於這個這個改善人力缺額跟改善工作環境的部分我要討論一下有關於這個容願獎勵金的這樣一個機制的問題按照現在的規定我們的退服會相關的容分院的這個獎勵金的發放 |
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應該是比較以前的概念啦就我本席的了解就是醫師拿85%護理師非醫師的人力共分15%當然醫師是整個醫療體系的絕對主力他有絕對的專業我們都要給予尊重這是沒有問題的不過我也請這個主委也好或者是院長稍微了解一下就是說公立的醫療機構譬如說部桃這個部桃嘛 |
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或者是台北市立各級醫院其實大概也是經歷了討論之後發現也護理師缺額等等問題都很嚴重所以大概都做了若干的調整變成說醫師70其他人員30這個獎勵金的這樣子的一個比例那我們現在這個部分容院的體系也好或者是退服會的體系有沒有在這個都是醫院你們剛剛還講睡在一起對不對有沒有做一下溝通然後在這個人力的部分因為本席擔心你這 |
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其他的醫院相對來講其他的這個待遇這個獎勵金是比較好的容量體系相對來講少一些那會不會造成這個在裡面的流動我寧願到別的醫院啊就護理師等等那就造成惡性循環啊因為其他的人力比較充足醫療量能比較充足的時候病患當然就多了嘛病患多了就影響醫院的收入嘛那我們這邊就變成惡性循環本身擔心這個事所以特別提出來問一下這樣子的一個制度上的差異有沒有打算要做檢討跟重新處理請回答 |
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我們現在正在檢討委員關心的我們所有的容顏的獎勵金要怎麼去發放怎麼樣去提高他們的一些待遇目前正在檢討當中那你們大概有抓多少時間我們都願意給時間一個月 |
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一個月?好,我就喜歡這個退府會這個非常之爽,好不好那我就期待啦,我跟各位是怎麼樣,我們都長期追蹤每個月裡面你要有一定的進度,讓這事情往前走,我們都希望榮業的體系,退府會體系在這個地方可以表現得非常好,好不好好,謝謝,辛苦了 |
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你好 我們接下來請王定宇委員質詢好 謝謝主席 麻煩主委 |
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我先請教第一個問題我們當然好不容易拖了那麼久開始進入預算的審查所以第一個就叫一個預算項目 |
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我們在退伍府會的國際退伍軍人事務交流其實很重要退伍軍人交流像我們國軍將領跟日本的退役將領那個叫局媒會還是媒局會其實這是很好的外交上的一個互動那我看本席特別注意到你們在2025年編列的預算是474萬那交流的國家呢有你們那時候名列出來是五個國家啦 |
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那接下來到2026年也就是今年度國家你們在說明欄上面只剩下三個國家預算呢沒有減少還是474萬我第一個問題是請教主委我們確認是交流只剩這三個國家嗎 |
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跟委員報告這上面列的表是完全正確的我們今年為什麼做這個調整因為我們第一個是騎乘美國還是三大退協為主然後增加太平洋區的一個退伍軍組織太平洋區所以美國嚴格來講應該是算四趟每一趟的騎乘有不一樣有做調整人次也會增加那第一島鏈主要是菲律賓 |
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那個美國啦或者是日本啦菲律賓這個還有的我先不問啦因為少了兩個國家交流嘛第一個我能理解就是我們的預算年度坦白講我們就算預算通過這個年度大概已經過一半了啦就是很順利通過到五月份三讀通過到你們開始動枝呢我們財政年度過了一半結果預算的執行呢 |
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這時候才給你 確實會有一些問題所以我的問題是說 你的預算額度並沒有減少可是國家少了兩國為什麼泰國跟韓國被拿掉了出了什麼問題我們是太平洋地區以第一島鏈為主所以是以日本跟菲律賓為主然後跟委員報告的 我們日本可能去了很多單位有增加 就這三國增加的量 |
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你還是沒有告訴我韓國跟泰國原來有在交流尤其我們退府會我們在泰北那裡我們曾經有農場我們一個伯伯在那裡他過世的時候親王還為他這樣辦喜我們以前在泰北的農場做得還不錯啊那為什麼現在泰國跟韓國被拿掉了我還是沒有聽到答案 |
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委員好我是輔照處處長因為我們今年以這個預算我們還是把它重點是放在這個美國三大退協跟這個日本跟韓國跟菲律賓那有關這個到菲律賓跟到泰國的價錢費用差沒有那麼多啦那坦白講如果有必要474萬變520萬 |
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都可以接受你還是沒有回答我泰國跟韓國出什麼問題不能講不方便講我就尊重那裡有沒有什麼事情我們下去就再檢討今年的預算因為去年後來我這個預算我沒有意見我現在是在想項目韓國有沒有展示互動上的不便或不友善沒有泰國呢 |
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報委我們下去再跟您報告好了那就是不便講嘛是是是因為你們繞來繞去我就不再講你們額度問題因為那兩個國家被擺明的拿掉泰國我們的我們是有農場在那裡嗎現在我們還有沒有農場跟我們交流的農場有交流的農場嘛 |
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然後我們以前太北孤軍其實我們以前有一些人在那裡後代當然那邊啊 時代變遷等等所以泰國被拿掉 韓國被拿掉應該是有故事啦那你們不方便講我就不為難主委了啦會後會後對啊 我也為難你 待會不跟我握手 |
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好我們下一個下一個是我曾經質詢我現在要追蹤這個事情這跟北榮就有關係了謝謝北榮我們重粒子的癌症治療在精準醫療跟化療的最後一塊拼圖在醫療界這是很重要的 |
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很多人把這視為不幸罹患癌症最後特殊那幾種癌症救命的一個方式所以它很貴一個療程可能就幾百萬它非常貴所以幾乎都是自費那我上次問的重點有兩個第一個因為它貴可是花人民納稅的人建制我印象北榮這個重粒子癌症治療中心是全球第14座嘛所以它是世界上它也有稀有性但我們很不希望 |
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像我父親是癌症過世的那我們家境不好但我們不希望在治療癌症 |
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成為財富變成生命的分界點懂我意思嗎就不能因為沒錢我就醫不起我有錢我就能醫得起這個不好所以當時我看到你們安排是有2%的醫療量能要讓這些低收的減免我那時候提出來2%實在太少了我們建置這一個重粒子治療中心都是人民的納稅錢 |
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變成你們的基金變成什麼但總是是公款所以2%太少了我一直希望能夠增加對於一些收入沒那麼富裕甚至不用完全減免對於一般所得的有一些折扣對於中低收入的給予減免那我們也希望中低收入或一般所得的永遠健康用不到最好但他要用到的時候我們有一定的百分比那你這2% |
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適度的增加這第一個命題第二個命題是我們的農民農卷 |
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應該要另外你現在這2%的減免是把榮民農券放在裡面所以那個院長應該印象我上次有問這一題就榮民農券是我們退福會照顧的對象萬一需要的時候他應該有一個項目的減免就幾百萬的是一般自費但對榮民農券我雖然不是中低收入戶可是我一般所得坦白講要拿幾百萬去做中立子也不一定負擔得起所以榮民農券的減免優惠要一套 |
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然後對於一般納稅人 一般民眾的減免有另外一套 |
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你們現在經過快一年了,你們規劃怎麼樣?報告委員,讓我報告一下先說明這個費用是從幾十萬到一百,最貴的就一百六十萬那它的...它是一個完整療程?一個完整療程,最多就一百六十萬,看疾病的類別不一樣那比方去年一年呢,它的收入是三億五千萬左右但營運成本是五億,一年平均要虧一點五億 |
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那這個建制22.5億是來自民間的幫忙企業界的幫忙剩下22.5億是來自榮總醫療助益基金那這個我們已經很努力縱使以後三班24小時運轉一年至少還在賠1億但是我們收費其實是每一個治療都是在賠錢其實我們在醫療上很少用賠錢來計算 |
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生命是無價的啦但是呢如果要算的話健保也在虧嘛醫療我比較不期待用這樣來算我們用其他科部的稍微一點英語來補貼這個事情我們不會去上下這個方案有沒有新的做法針對農民農卷針對一般民農報告委員現在2%現在還有8個名額 |
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那我們過去用了五個 五個有一個是榮民那這個是重粒子不是每一個人都需要我們很多人要來要求重粒子我們評估這個健保就夠了他正規的癌症別有差別嗎癌症別 專門的癌症別那不要用大砲倒打小鳥OK 我建議我們北榮或者我們退府會多宣導既然你說名額還沒用完 |
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我們希望每個人健康可是當他需要的時候有這個優惠的名額讓他那等到用到不足我們再來討論增加我們南部有沒有計畫來增設一座如果有醫院願意加入做功德賠錢行列我都很歡迎醫院都在做功德啦所以醫院都是免稅的啊對不對我們高榮要不要設一座 |
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高榮跟文豹現在有一個粒子治療設備的一個平台小組你現在看這個醫療資源分配北榮有那中國醫藥大學輻射醫院他要設一座花蓮慈濟也要設幾座他們有計畫啦可能機器還沒有買啦看到我們賠很多他們在考慮沒關係我會到衛防委員會去問那我意思說南部連計畫設置都沒有 |
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那醫療資源不應該有城鄉差距啦我們高榮要不要爭取在南部設置一座否則我知道有一些人舟車勞頓那用到重粒子其實都已經蠻辛苦的高榮有沒有計畫謝謝報告委員謝謝委員的一個指導從委員去年那個時候諮詢的時候我們醫院裡面在這半年當中大概開過十二次會開始很努力在評估那目前四月份的話會把我們粒子的治療會把評估報告開始送到輔導會我們現在已經是完成了那我今天沒有問題你都還沒說一年了耶 |
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現在因為它要衛福部的一個平和啦我上次質詢是10月8號問的嘛我們現在提出來也許我們退輔會或者衛福部大家思考南部要不要設一個那特別高榮的部分你們直升機降落的困難點 |
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當時院長跟總統有交代我覺得那邊要否則澎湖啊離外島要用直升機後送就已經緊急了結果還要停小港機場再偶爾從小港到高融然後那個高速公路那邊都在塞車不理想你們旁邊那個要設置停機坪 |
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或者樓頂加鋼構增加停機的可能性你們方案趕快提出來因為院長當時我在現場嘛院長是認為應該要做你們不只是服務高雄連澎湖的後送都是你們這裡所以這個後送的停機坪附近有一塊軍區的地或者你們的屋頂你盡快把方案提出來趁院長這個承諾還在有在規劃有在規劃謝偉 |
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主席長 那有請那個嚴主委還有那個北榮陳院長 |
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今天在審預算那天我也把預算看了一下當然也參考了一下預算中心的報告大家知道我過去是勞動學者所以我就把很多勞動上的一些配置有特別看了一下預算中心的報告裡面也講到尤其是護理人員缺額非常嚴峻我們等一下再來講護病比的狀況 |
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因為玉山村也有把幾個榮總醫院的部分違反勞動法的部分有列出來我就特別去查了一下初委跟院長知道現在依照勞動法80條之一跟職安法49條如果違反的話他是會在網路上公告的 |
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這個大家都知道嘛 這個都是查得到我想這個事情其實不是只有罰錢的事情我想又涉及到很多我們這個醫院的一些信譽一些商譽 我覺得這個可能要特別注意一下那我看了預算中心的報告 然後我又查了一下我今天特別拿電腦來那我發現好像115 最近還有一些裁罰的記錄院長應該知道吧像勞基法 像一個聘用住院醫師的事情 |
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不只不只 然後還有一些像這個30條 還都有這個相關的問題甚至加班 好像是比較是在分院的部分啦就是他的一些登載啦 玉里分院那院長這邊有沒有針對這個部分有一些改善的方法 |
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報告委員我們現在對勞基法這個政府的規定當然是非常嚴守因為現在的醫療人力短缺你如果沒有尊重被放上網路以後你的人力會更短缺所以這一塊是非常的重視但是體系很大你每一個角落你要顧到說哪一個同仁剛好有點違反了那我們當然醫院馬上處理 |
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那聘用助醫師那事情是一個誤會,他根本不是用好錢來的那醫療分院他已經積極在處理那醫院的委員會裡面很重視這一塊這個事關我們的競爭力,事關我們能不能招收到好的人才所以每一個體系,每一個兄弟,大家都,院長都每一個重視 |
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是 是 我就舉幾個簡單的例子啦他違反勞基法24條啦 那24條是什麼就是他延長工時 就是我們一般所用的加班啊沒有給加班費啊我想現在這個時候是不該再有這樣子的一個現象出現了現在都用電子化 所以會讓他的那個這種失誤 人為操作的低級錯誤會降低 |
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對 因為有一些像這個30條一些紀錄的部分我都沒有說我覺得像24條這種就是加班沒有給人家加班分我覺得這個就不該出現了因為其實人力就已經很短缺了怎麼還會發生這樣的狀況那我是希望就你們這個醫院不管是分院 |
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他這個HR的系統可能要有一些些改善的方式啦剛剛到底是什麼東西出了問題我知道啦其實我想很多人都不願意違背勞動法啦我接觸了很多對象那其實都是一些有些人說不注意啦或怎樣啦所以希望啦希望這個有一些改進的一個狀況 |
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那另外其實還不只勞基法好像還有一些違反像這114 113還有一些性品的狀況就是那個資訊的時候要做一些那個要做一些處理要做立即有效糾正補救措施這個好像是在南部的這個榮總這個我今天就不再多說那我是希望就是這個因為人力非常短缺所以這個部分可能要特別注意那另外就是 |
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剛剛前面那個陳委員有提到,我有特別去查了好像那個災保法也有處罰了一件這個院長應該知道這個好像罰了兩萬塊,就最近的事情嘛那這個部分是怎樣?填報的系統或者是申報的狀況有問題嗎?還是一個是我們關都醫院,關都醫院是台北市政府委託榮總經理 |
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他在早上忘了簽到結果他就手寫他沒有記錄時間這種已經請官路院院長一定要嚴格管理一定要詳述時間才能有公平正義所以這個會注意官路院已經在注意 |
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這個可能是公司的部分,好像有一個比較是工資申報的部分工資的金額到底是多少錢?那個是聘用住院醫師,那不適用勞基法你是說官渡那一個嗎?官渡是,官渡是簽到的問題那榮總的問題是聘用住院醫師的問題聘用住院醫師的問題榮總是無辜的,現在在宿院 |
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所以我覺得不只那一項啦那因為我看到非常多項啦也許這個院長如果有什麼樣的問題我們可以討論一下因為我沒有想到拉出龍種竟然會有這麼多的這個違反的這個案例啦那因為現在其實這次預托中心他報告也有講到啦就是因為這樣其實我們這個貨幣比例非常非常高我聽到前面的委員也有提到這個事啦我沒想到現在就龍種來說這個事情應該要怎麼解決啊或者說我知道你們也有你們的困難啦 |
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北榮現在三班護病筆是達標的而且我們得到的三班護病筆的獎勵金是全國公立院最高的那急診室又不用塞就會證明一切急診室如果用塞你的一定有問題榮總急診室井南有序都控制在獄子之內 中榮也是控制得很好我想其他我們的總院都控制得很好那護病筆不是問題但最大的問題也需要立法院幫我們解決 |
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公務員55歲護理師為勞降職比早退休我們再怎麼努力收新的護理師去年就退掉76個到私人醫療機構去領第二份薪水領退休金結果這樣子私人醫院65歲才要退甚至更勞我們公家機關60歲護理師如果沒有任主管一定要退這個是對公立醫院非常傷害政府一定要來幫忙雖然公立醫院是一個發展非常困難 |
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是啦 院長我不是在說你們做得不好啦我是聽說啦就很多人因為我是在做勞動的嘛有的人跟我說一些意見包括院長剛剛說的都是啦那因為我們前幾年把這個55歲那個圍牢把護理人放進去啦我知道這個狀況所以我是希望啦我們共同來努力啦 |
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因為現在醫療院所的人力配置非常不容易而且你們很細,剛剛我說的這些有關勞動法上的規定都希望我們可以一起來努力把這個維護勞動法把它做好那這個會比能夠更好讓更多的醫療人力,尤其是護理人員他們願意加入我們榮總的行列以上,謝謝我們都有掌握,我們會持續邀請他們改善好,謝謝 |
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謝謝接下來我們邀請沈博洋委員謝謝主席 也有請嚴主委 謝謝我們邀請主委 |
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主委好主委好那這個在預算之前呢我有一個小問題是想問這個目前來講我們這個融中體系因為我們近幾年有這個韌性醫療整備那這個韌性醫療整備目前準備的狀況大概到什麼程度是不是可以跟國人說明一下 |
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只有跟委员报告我们更容认主要是以全民防疫动员准备法来做这件事情包括了医政、药政还有传染病的防治以及国军医疗就军医局主席的这些动员准备 |
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那么我们这些准备就包含了药政动员准备计划按照这个相关的管制办法来做我们包含了储备25项药品还有70项的胃材1350人份 |
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那么这里面17项重要药品及13项的胃柴是由三个荣种从117年开始他们就额外增加储备了共计是两万五千人份平时我们的药品跟胃柴只维持两到三周库存量 |
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那麼一到三級的管制藥品是維持一個月的庫存量那麼就暫時是按照衛福部還有各縣市衛生局的調配來持續做調整這是我們的防疫運行的準備好 謝謝那因為我覺得這個是很重要我覺得先跟國人說明一下那現在我就進入到一些比較預算細節的部分第一個就是這一個目前來講這個 |
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中榮的這個執行率就是說因為我看這個執行率當然在113年的時候看起來也有不到九成的狀況但是不知道為什麼114年現在的一個執行率它上面是6.22我在想說是資料上的錯誤還是說是不是請中榮這邊可以說明一下就是2025年到8月為止中榮的這個執行率是不是有問題 |
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是不是有什麼東西沒有寄到預算中心呢還是說對不起我們一直在積極推動智慧醫療而且是也投入很多的資金那但是這個決算的金額的計算確實是感覺我看起來是覺得比較奇怪一點對因為北榮大概大概五成九嘛然後呢高雄榮總有到八成多嘛對不對那中榮為什麼會到六點二這個在預算中心的資料 |
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對 是不是可以了解一下因為我想說有沒有可能會是資料的錯誤啊或者什麼等等之類的那這個我再 之後我再繼續追問一下這一題可以嗎好 那接下來我想問這一個這個床位的問題就容家就是說這一個目前來講我們除了這個一般的這個照護之外 |
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也有這個接受地方的委託安置那去年度一直到八月底為止這個接受地方委託安置的這個服務的量比前幾年有稍稍減少那當然我們照理說以整個台灣來講目前這個長照等等的需求是一直在往上升那我想知道這個接受地方委託安置有稍微減少是不是有什麼特殊的原因因為是照理說農家的量應該是有的 |
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那為什麼是地方這一邊它的委託安置的量變少了嗎還是有什麼其他的原因 |
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我也好我是救養處處長我跟您回報啊那個我們榮家16所榮家的總床位是8875床那目前總佔床率是80.4億那一般民眾資源共享的部分從106年開放一般民眾是5%現在已經提升到21%以上所以目前在佔比是增加的但是它的量看起來減少不知道為什麼會這個樣子 |
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因為佔比是它佔所有的一個比例嘛對不對這個比例是逐步的在增加這個是好事因為我們畢竟一般民眾有這樣的需求那現在農家也有這樣的一個資源但為什麼地方政府的這一個委託安置這個量有減少是大概這兩年報告委員我們 |
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跟地方政府這個零拖的部分是緊急安置我們總共有321床對只要政府地方有緊急需要的時候我們絕對開放這個床位是給的好那也有可能這幾年就是地方政府它的也有可能有其他的管道或什麼之類的這個我們不知道但是我想說這個可能要稍微釐清一下因為畢竟農家的資源在這一邊嘛對不對那這個除了原本的服務之外讓人民也都可以享受我覺得這是很重要的一件事就是有控制一些緊急安置的床位 |
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另外剛剛有提到因為剛剛說大概占這一個所謂八成左右但是如果我們把它拆開來看的話可以看到有一些占床率可以到九成你看台北隆家大概就是六成這當然可能跟位置有點關係就是說不同的位置可能有不同的占床率目前有這個所謂的看到你們的報告裡面有講這個舒轉計畫因為畢竟有些地方的占床率比較低這個舒轉計畫目前執行的狀況如何 |
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我們像都會區這裡面比較所列到的板橋榮家台南榮家這些占床率都比較高後住的人很多那我們也現在採取一個措施怎麼樣去舒展就希望他們在鄰近的榮家先去住將來他希望住的榮家如果有空床去他就優先進來就這樣來舒展來做調解台南榮家才可以到白河 |
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那如果板橋仁家可以到台北仁家台北仁家站那裡像這樣子來做舒轉來調節現在目前採取這個策略對 因為我在想說就是連結到上一個問題就是說如果這個舒轉計畫執行成效可以越來越好的話那剛剛講的地方政府要委託啊等等之類因為你要抓那個比例嘛你也不能夠讓它爆掉啊這個時候能夠接受地方的這一個委託安置的這個量能一定又可以再往上提升啦所以這個舒轉計畫可能就再拜託我們再來盯一下這個狀況 |
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剛剛鐘榮那個狀況預算中心那個數字到底是如何這個可能再了解一下了解一下好謝謝主委謝謝主席謝謝委員目前收到臨時提案共議案待會請黃建民委員質詢結束後進行處理那處理完畢後休息十分鐘那我們現在請林祖英委員 |
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謝謝主席 有請主委 |
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林委員好主委好我同樣的就是針對現在我們接下來就要審預算了那麼剛剛其實沈薄洋委員也有提到了就是有關於這個建構醫療韌性那麼其實我在報告上面其實是有看到也看到其實應該是說這樣講你們有做事但是報告上面沒有實際的看到你們到底如何的針對退府會跟各個 |
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榮總建構醫療任性的相關的作為其實特佛轄下的三個總院從民國110年啟動了儲備戰時醫材其實你們就有做了一些工作甚至於呢其實我們需要給予掌聲的肯定跟鼓勵喔那麼 |
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但是在預算配置上面其實我不知道為什麼交上來的預算給的卻是只是包括訓練、醫材等等那麼這樣子等於稍後我們再審預算下一次再安排審預算的時候其實你們做了這些事但是是沒有被知道的我會建議 |
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應該必須把它呈現出來尤其是在報告上面那麼你看像剛剛其實委員們質詢的也都非常的細會看你們的細部質詢的狀況所以這是本席給的一個建議啦那細部的部分因為時間有限我要來追一個就是我之前其實在上個會期我質詢過的一個問題那就是在我們的所謂醫療冷鏈當中我們的幾間榮總的系統都使用了家裡大容 |
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而我要再一次的提醒喔像昨天總統府召開的記者會就會發現中國是處心積慮的不論是文攻武嚇現在是在外交上面也限縮了賴清德總統的外交空間為什麼這三個非洲的國家不會同意我們的邦交的這個所謂雖然沒有邦交但是連航空權都被限制就是因為中國用經濟的方式脅迫非洲這三個國家 |
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那為什麼我要帶到這一點那就是如果我們的公務預算公家的預算人民的納稅錢卻是用來養中國企業尤其是中國解放軍的企業我要提醒主委你也知道我一再質詢的就是這個部分因為我們如果把他養大養肥了他 |
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錢一出去一轉手是對付我們所以有關於我去年十月就追蹤的有關於我們在榮總的各個院區所在醫療冷鏈上面跟中國尤其是解放軍簽署了軍民融合戰略合作協議這樣的一個中資我必須再提醒萬萬不可 |
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希望各個院區要降低就算即便是廠商跟家裡大人簽約我要再次強調把中國的企業養肥了回來是拿我們人民的納稅錢槍口 炮口甚至於威脅是對準自己所以我要詢問一下我去年2025年10月質詢這個題目之後到現在各個院區到底相關的狀況如何 |
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那個鳳林分院有80%那現在的狀況有降低嗎半年過去了報告委員謝謝委員關心這個議題提醒我們這麼重要一件事情自從你上次垂詢之後呢我們每一個總院跟分院都一直在注意這個事因為藥物採購在醫院是一個招標採購契約採購但是要去找什麼人來做物流我們當時真的不知道還好你的提醒所以現在我們新的招標契約嚴格規範 |
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那現行的7月還沒有履行完的我們每一個廠商要跟他講你如果有任何關鍵節點運送過程倉儲位置透露這個秘密我們會做一些處分另外呢可以考慮以後要有切結書的承諾那但是等7月結束之後一定會把它做得更完善 |
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好那為什麼包括像有一些是2026年年底才要換約比如說像蘇澳玉里是還沒有完成換約進度是要到2026年底12月這個可不可以讓我知道一下狀況熊院長玉里 |
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蘇澳分院的話是115年也就是2026年的5月底會換約但是玉里分院是要預計到116年也就是2027年的12月底才換約這個約是什麼時候簽的玉里分院這個約是之前簽的我們現在正在檢討我們會盡快把這個合約做重新的議題 |
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因為總院長是我說我會負起嚴格督導的責任所以我會去做一些特別的盤點好 剛剛這個衛明總院長有特別提到了第一是有關於細節包括守密的部分是絕對不能透露但是我要再次強調從剛剛前面我們講的所謂防衛韌性 城市防衛韌性等等的相關的演練去年演練之後發現了這個問題那麼我們就知道其實所有的危機 危險 |
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都是你不知道他什麼時候會發生現在是平時所以他恐怕還會遵守但是如果真的由平轉戰的時候那麼他是效忠中華民國還是中華人民共和國其實這是非常危險的所以為什麼我在這裡一直要求就是至少榮總的系統要降低跟他們的簽約率那另外一個剛剛提到的竊結書的部分當然我也 |
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同意就是一定要有多一些的把關那另外一個就是有關於我特別問到的就是御理分院為什麼到116年也就是2027年12月底才要換約這個部分我覺得時間拖太久了 |
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從我去年十月到現在也半年了結果這個約我不確定你什麼時候簽下去的可是怎麼會這麼久然後好像放在那裡如果我不追問這件事情就沒有發生一樣我其實本來是希望你們給我一個一個的比例的進度因為經過半年了應該要下降才對 |
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所以我想問一下顏主委這個最新的統計能不能給我跟我們委員會一份我希望是看到有比例的下降而不是本席質詢完之後半年之後聞風不動尤其是馬上新的城市任性的這個所謂的演習演練又要開始了 |
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報告委員 這個表是2025十六天統計的回去之後會把最新的半況重新做一個調整統計完再送到委員那邊好 然後我也希望除了比例降低之外有廠商如果因為新的合約而無法跟動的不要因為沒有監督喔然後時間就一直放在那裡不動我相信還是可以有一些動作的 |
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可以嗎?是,我們會有一些,剛剛除了陳院長報告的,把工程會的企業規範要履歷管理,把這放進去,然後醫療保密安全作為,相關的措施包含切解,都要做。好,謝謝,辛苦。謝謝主委。謝謝林楚瑩委員,接下來我們邀請王建斌委員,上台諮詢。 |
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好謝謝主席我們有請嚴主委黃委員好主委早安主委主委您是軍人轉任那個退伏會主委嘛是那我想退伍軍人同胞遇到的問題無非就是養訓那養就是醫療照護訓就是就業訓練 |
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那尤其對於這個中年離開軍體生涯的這些弟兄就訓練就對他們來講是非常的重要那我們退輔會在桃園一個執訓中心那主要就是做好這個溶件直接訓練技能檢定還有就業輔導工作但是退輔會內部 |
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做這個退伍軍官兵這個參與訓練的這個概況啊跟這個性別的分析我們發現一件事就是參與訓練不管是男性或女性的這些退伍軍人他通訊處大多是集中在新北跟桃園那顯然就是說我們退伍弟兄因為家庭環境跟居住地的關係他會選擇離居住比較近的地方來參加訓練那所以非居住在桃園跟新北這兩個地區參與的退伍弟兄就 |
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比較少那主委本席在上一次約會報告的時候就有建議說我們推幅會在推動職業訓練應該跟我們勞動部還有地方政府來共同來推動 |
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那最主要就是讓這些弟兄可以就近的訓練在參加執訓不用大老遠的跑去桃園那今天我們退伏會的報告一段報告裡面有提到說要提供給退伍的軍事官弟兄多元培訓的管道以自身的需求選擇合適訓練課程來提升他的職場技能 |
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然後進而促進在地的就業不過本席並沒有看到我們退伍會如果跟勞動部地方政府跟民間企業來共同合作來推動執訓的這些細部成果的資料那主委本席要提醒就是退伍弟兄 |
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就本來就不是那麼容易那我想不要再那麼花這些金錢跟時間大老遠跑去桃園授訓我們應該結合地方的一些資源讓在各縣市裡面他可以確實到在地授訓我想這才是真的確實協助到這些弟兄那如果因為你特殊的課程必須到其他的縣市我們退伏隊應該給予他相關的補助嘛讓退伏的弟兄在結訓之後就可以立刻就位主委這可以做得到嗎主委指導委員我請就位處長跟您說明一下 |
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委員好我是就學建業處處長跟您報告沒有錯委員剛講的我們的執訓的政策包括就業政策都是在地參訓在地就業那事實上要跟委員報告過去三年我們除了桃園的自辦訓練以外其實我們花東地區跑到那邊去受訓的因為我們有遠地的都免費住宿其實過去三年我們有266個人去那邊參訓有100個是台東的人那當然我們很多還有在 |
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外訓練也就是說在花東地區特別在台東地區我們在過去四年其實都有開班也培訓了153個人更重要您剛有提到我對於全國有一萬五千多個班隊我在花東地區其實在過去的三年裡面我們也有533個人去受訓台東也有165個人 |
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還有勞動部有兩個分署在那個地方每年都會開這個24個班600個這個數額其實對於花東地區的一個數量基本上我們的調查應該是可以滿足的那因為勞動部來講他也沒有針對跨域的一個資訊來補助今天所以我們目前我們會去關注這個議題 以上我想跟跨部會來合作那也請會後 |
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把這些相關跟各機關共同推動這個在地訓練的這個統計資料給本席辦公室讓本席了解到我們這個相關職業訓練的後續進行的情況另外我要提醒你要請教主委主委你擔任退服會主委之後有沒有到台東去巡視過相關退服會的業務台東我去過有喔農場還有相關的農家農夫住都去過 |
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農夫住有 農場也有那本席來跟你就討論就農場這些事情我們的農場的服務品質的部分那來東部旅遊的遊客通常他就會選擇在花蓮或台東晚上住一晚然後隔天選擇北上或南下這個是到花東旅遊的一個模式那台東的經濟產業裡面觀光業占了非常大的一部分那我想只要旅遊的體驗好不好 |
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會對地方影響在發展旅遊產業的影響非常大那 住宿方不方便 訂房方不方便 交通方不方便這個都影響到旅客願不願意來台東旅遊的一些意願那本市有說到退府會所屬的農場近三年來 我們的遊憶區的營收下滑遊客住宿率都在減少那當然退府會的理由是說因為疫情後 國人都出國 |
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那加上地震、風災這些極端氣候種種因素所以國人比較不願意安排到山林來旅遊那這些本席都可以理解但是在這樣的情況之下我們應該利用這些時間把我們基礎的一些建設還有服務來提升來做好來做準備 |
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那推幅會議說要優化我們的呃旅宿環境提升服務品質要在這近四年要在三高三個高商的農場也就是我們福壽山清淨還有這武嶺要投入大概十億元來做刻板的整修那後續要再投入大概至少四點四億元但是本期看池上的這個台東農場有沒有沒有分配到相關的這些優化的資源的經費 |
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那明明台東農場他就坐用花東縱谷跟博望大道這個美觀美麗的景觀可是卻沒有獲得這樣的資源的分配那不只如此那我們也發現台東農場下面有幾個據點都還在整修當中像慈善會館台東農場的官網顯示不開放訂房但是我們在民間的訂房平台在booking.com上可以訂得到 |
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那東和農場他其實從去年3月就開始顯示一直在維修當中那這兩個據點其實在台東的旅遊上都是非常重要的觀光景點那也可以說台東旅遊上遊客來都必經的幾個地區那我想但是在這上面我看到這些包括在訂房上還有整個維修上我認為這不是一個及格的一個狀況那我想這對台東的觀光影響也很大 |
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那另外我們還有發現民眾的反應說受風會館是把這些網路訂房都取消了只能打電話 |
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我們直接回到伯傑時代這樣子那我們退輔會你意思說要提升品質然後你一方面服務品質其實不是這麼的便利那這個部分是不是請我解問題來請教主委啦對就是說第一個就是說我們三高農場可以獲得龐大的資源來改善營運那為什麼台東農場這次沒有被納入那相關的規劃的標準是什麼 |
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那第二個台東農場的官網什麼時候可以改善讓遊客可以方便的訂房那第三個東和休閒農莊這些整修的據點進度為什麼會拖這麼久還沒完成有沒有明確的完工時間點那第四個未來這些據點整修完之後是不是跟我們的收工會館一樣要建立一個透明公開的訂房機制還是維持現在的模式打電話來訂那這部分是不是可以先來回應一下 |
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那我跟委員報告台東方面的觀光這部分多半是委外經營所以在我們預算裡面我也沒有看到那目前經營狀況慈善慈善會館已經完成招商跟整建那二月份迎取的旅館登記證在七月會開始營業那東河龍光是四月一號完成招商在一百一十八年四月開始營業那剛剛委員所提到的還有受風雲 |
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事業主事長跟你說明我要直視事業主事長董事長的名下委員報告有關壽豐農場這部分他的網頁還是可以訂購的所以說這個資訊是完整的所以跟委員做以上報告好的 |
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包委員我再補充一下我這台東那種廠長有關收風廢紡部分因為現在配合那個內政部的那個收風的整個都市計畫變更那現在在爭取旅遊服務區的改變以上先跟委員報告好 謝謝包廠長 |
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主委雖然說我們委外有些基礎設施我想還是要投入去經營因為你畢竟投入這麼多的經費我想也能夠平均來分配一下東部這塊的資源我們會檢討相關的資源 |
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我想本席認為說越是在挑戰的時候我們越應該要投入更多的資源那讓資源能夠重新的來分配平均那服務也應該要更進步那這對未來不管是在整個我們退服會的經營上面或者是整個台東的觀光我想都是雙贏那也希望這本席提到幾個問題能夠主委這邊能夠來協助是我們會全力協助謝謝主委謝謝主席 |
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7608.849 |
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7627.879 |
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我們現在處理臨時提案 請議事人員宣讀提案臨時提案 鑒於中華人民共和國以外交與經濟協和手段迫使第三國臨時撤銷我國元首出訪專機飛航許可 嚴重打壓我國國際空間更干涉他國內政違反國際慣例 破壞區域現狀 |
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7631.226 |
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7642.878 |
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我國總統出訪友邦視我國對外行使外交權利之主權作為中國此舉已違反聯合國憲章國家主權平等與不干涉內政原則1970年年大 |
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7645.526 |
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7670.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
第2625號決議所明文禁止之強制干預芝加哥公約所確立之國際民航秩序與非歧視原則以及維也納外交國關係公約第40條之過境保障精神構成對國際規則為基礎之秩序之公然挑戰中華人民共和國對我國之系統性打壓已非個案 |
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7670.792 |
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7699.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
本委員會作為國會監督外交與國防事務之專責委員會針對中華人民共和國脅迫第三國撤銷我國元首飛航相關許可之出炮行徑予以強烈譴責並堅定支持政府採取積極措施持續拓展國家外交空間捍衛我國家主權及國際生存權利且要求外交部應透過駐外管處及國際組織管道將本事件列入 |
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7700.223 |
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7724.968 |
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國際民航組織及其他多邊機制之關注項目並積極爭取理念相繼民主夥伴之聲援與具體行動提案人委員陳冠廷王定宇林楚英王逸川沈伯陽陳俊宇羅美林等宣讀完畢那我們先請提案委員說明就是 |
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7729.641 |
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7748.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
我簡單做個提案說明這一次由於是用這種經濟的方式去迫使其他第三國去撤銷飛航許可因為飛航許可這件事情在國際上是屬於這種主權這很明顯的就是中國直接介入到這個所謂的主權行為 |
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那就像剛剛我們在提案裡面這個已經不管是聯合國憲章裡面講的這個主權問題之外還包含在芝加哥公約裡面所確立的這個國際民航秩序還有非歧視的原則所以無論如何我覺得這是我們外交上非常大的一個阻礙那針對這一個中國的打壓我們認為應該要給予這個最強烈的一個譴責以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
請問在場委員有意見許曉欣委員 |
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7784.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
7809.033 |
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我是針對這個程序的部分那我對於這個內容上面來說那我確實認為這個賴清德總統能夠出訪友邦那本來就是這是我們的友邦本來就要去那中間如果遇到任何有這種被打壓或是不公平的那我想這樣的一個臨時提案他是可能因為具有這個時效性所以在今天提出來不過因為我也要提就是說今天是退府會的這個報告嘛 |
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7811.454 |
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那所以說外交部的相關人員沒有在現場那我們一般來說處理臨時提案的時候那上面的一些文字有沒有都會再詢問一下相關的這個部會那他們有沒有什麼需要修正文字細節的部分然後大家在有共識之後再通過這樣子的一個提案那過去網歷好像都是這樣處理的所以我在這邊也想要請教一下就是說我對這個案子沒有任何的意見但是我想要請教一下就是說是不是本案那 |
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7860.117 |
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到時候也讓外交部這邊然後能夠了解一下如果他們有任何的一些可能文字啊或什麼一些細節內容要修正的那也有一個機會讓他們再做一個表達好那其他的部分我沒有任何意見謝謝好謝謝許曉欣委員接下來我們請林楚英委員 |
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7864.458 |
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謝謝主席首先我要強調的今天這個不是一個所謂的執行案或者是一個修正案或者是希望行政部門作為改進這是一個譴責案今天譴責的對象也不是外交部我們今天譴責的是中共利用 |
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經濟的脅迫導致我們國家的元首無法到友邦去進行正式的國事訪問那麼我覺得在這個部分其實我昨天第一時間我看到除了我們民進黨發出了譴責之外事實上我也看到了包括國民黨以及民眾黨其實也都一致的站在國家為主的這樣的一個情況底下那我要再一次強調沒錯今天是一個退府會的夜報所以說 |
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對於退府會來講他不是我們譴責的對象同樣的我要再一次的強調這是一個譴責案那麼這個譴責案代表的是身為國防外交的委員你站在國家在外交上受到打壓在國防上面國際上面的生存空間受到壓力的時候你的立場是什麼 |
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事實上這一個雖然是由我們民進黨的委員發起其實我也希望在外交委員會當中不論是國民黨的委員或是民眾黨的委員此刻是展現我們對於國家的忠誠對於國家元首的支持以及對於中共惡霸行徑的一個反應 |
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所以我認為這個文字上沒有任何的問題如果有問題的人就是想要利用所謂的程序惡意的讓這個所謂的譴責案沒有辦法曝光好 |
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第一個我希望我們在國防外交委員會所有的同仁不分黨派一起連署我剛才一直聽到大家都說沒有問題一起連署因為在內部我們怎麼樣競爭我們對外只有一個國家民選的元首他是憲政機關總統這個職務本身在憲法是憲政機關不是所謂的人而已那當民選的元首出訪代表的國家跟人民 |
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面對這樣子的突襲式這個是很典型的叫時間點突擊的方式 |
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那我們應該一致對外 展現團結 這第一點第二個 這三個國家 塞西爾 摩里西斯跟馬達加斯加島這三個國家陷入中國的債務陷阱被脅迫 事實上這一個overflight permit是在幾個禮拜前就取得數週前就申請取得 而他們卻因為國家的債務陷阱 |
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被脅迫在出發前12個小時把你取消掉進行配合中國進行這樣的經濟脅迫下的外交動作那我們這件事情唯一該被譴責的就是中國這三個陷入債務陷阱配合他進行這種敵意做法的一個國家而剛才歐盟發言人正式聲援台灣也認為利用這種所謂的 |
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空中飛越權來進行政治操作是極度的危險而且不負責任美國國會也發表了譴責這個事件當別國當朋友在聲援你的時候我們自己內部的聲援不應該有任何的理由或藉口去阻撓他那所以在這件事情上我希望我們委員會 |
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不僅做出無意義的通過我們也希望在場的在野黨委員不管是哪一個政黨我們一起參加還是那一句話國家只有一個我們在這邊政黨競爭努力就是努力的幫這個國家更好嘛 |
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努力的想執政嘛努力的想要把對方變在野黨自己執政讓國家更好嘛當國家面對這樣子中國的打壓的時候我們應該一致那最後我要提醒所謂中國的善意你要嘛就是太笨被他騙要不然就配合他在騙台灣中國哪有善意事情不分大小全面的打壓毫無止盡的打壓 |
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我上一趟有陪總統飛到斯瓦帝尼亞這有潛力的 你這樣打人有什麼意思呢所以中國把所有東西當武器不僅僅是政治軍事它連經濟 你跟它互動 它把它變成武器看看那三個島國怎麼被它脅迫的這是一個非常典型的介入他國內政 |
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不僅影響我們中華民國台灣的內政也影響那三個島國的內政而中國越是這樣做我們外交本來就困難我們不會因為困難就放棄讓我們2300萬人走向國際他越打壓我們越努力那台灣跟斯瓦帝尼國王的邦誼會更堅定我們也祝福他58歲生日快樂建國40週年就值40週年快樂那我們希望這個案子可以大家一起來連署 謝謝 |
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如果在場委沒有意見的話那是不是本提案就照案通過好 謝謝那本提案照案通過那接下來我們休息十分鐘 謝謝 |
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白大神笑 |
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鸡血液如果都是这样的就变得很奇怪了 |
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我們榮總是國家級的醫學中心本來就是輔導會 輔導會培養出來的本來就是 要面對歷史台大是服務企業 不是醫院國家級的醫學中心 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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好我們繼續開會接下來我們邀請徐巧欣委員上台質詢謝謝主席我們請嚴德發主委好嗎你好我們請主委 |
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主委好那剛才呢也有其他的委員在關心這個上校以上的這個職女輔助的進度那我剛也有聽了您的這個說明了首先呢要肯定我們原主委在這個議題上面那一直為我們的這一些這個這個退職的人員那不斷的努力喔 |
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但過程當中確實也會有一些辛苦的地方那我想是這樣子就是剛才其他委員也有問了我想再問更細一點就是說因為我看到卓榮他的院長他昨天呢有非常清晰的提出就是在 |
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軍人、警消或是其他整體的公務人員的部分那行政院這邊會去做一個調整然後就配合我們在立法院有三讀通過的這些法律然後讓立法院這邊的一些法律案跟行政院現在目前的實施上面來說不要有太多的衝突 |
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那我會比較擔心是說因為這個案子呢比較小然後呢金額也比較少那他被忽略掉了所以我想要請問一下就是說從卓榮泰院長昨天講到今天喔那這個上校以上的子女補助的案子有沒有被列在行政院他們總體而言就是我們政黨協商就有談到了這半年內要提出一個總體的這個方案的裡面的其中一個項目 |
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謝謝委員關心報完這個案子我們已經努力了八年了從去年把八個半個送到院裡面院裡面通知我們說要在周圓考量公教那麼我們就配合辦理但這段時間我們很積極的 |
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月管處長跟院裡面月管處長對口那副主委找副主委找行政院相關層級的我也是一樣到行政院去繼續努力一直都在努力那我們這個月12號重新又發那個文重新又呈一個文就是希望能夠盡快恢復那昨天我跟原市長碰面昨天是大院會的預算審查坐我旁邊我還再次的 |
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跟他報告請他幫忙因為教育補助費是人總我跟人事長再次協調目前一切進度都正常我只能由委員報告到這裡都OK那因為是這樣子就是說剛剛有委員問的時候有提到就是說我們的這個經費上面來說的話其實是有可以運用的預算沒有問題可以運用的嘛所以說我們但他會被列在哪一筆啊 |
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退出幾戶那這一筆的話我們就要也會注意就是說我們到時候在審查的時候我們也會注意那要讓這一筆他是能夠afford就是說整體的這個規劃的因為我們的想法很簡單就是卓院長這邊有談到了說這半年內會盤點整體的軍公教的這個權益的部分那當然我們大多數人談到的會是這個軍人的這個家籍 |
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然後自願意的加急還有包含是說可能這個退休的這個警消人員的所得替代率但我就很擔心說漏了我們這一項這個不小心漏了我們這一項所以謝謝我們主委積極的爭取那我想在審查預算的時候我們也會盡我們的全力來支持那但是就是要拜託那一定要讓這個案子也在 |
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評估的總項目裡面最後結果如何我不知道你們盡力爭取但是在現在這半年內所評估的這個總體來說的話他要被能夠納進去因為他也是軍警校的一環所以我們比較常講的是大的項目就是在講說軍人的加薪案跟警校的所得替代率案常常會忘記我們還有一個上校與校的子女補助費的這個部分我希望這個案子也能夠順利被納入行政院的討論當中對 我們要繼續保持密切聯繫 |
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嗯好的那這個再來就是我們要講到這個有關於我們的榮民喔那包含他們可能志願役服滿10年以上啊因為作戰或是這個公治病傷的這個有一些傷害啊或者是說像這樣子的一些這個榮民那我覺得呢我們是要多去協助的 |
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那剛才也有這個委員有提到關於這個輔導會有職無職的這個榮民及軍警消補助的部分那我們可以看到的是有職榮民的部分呢在國軍醫院裡面的部分負擔裡面是沒有的 |
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然後不立議院是沒有的我這個剛剛有人問過了但是我想我覺得用一張表格來講會更加的清楚那我想請問一下這個部分那當然你們有3月30號退府會含送行政院4月1號行政院這個複製退府會那轉達各部會的意見包含國防部跟總計處等等 |
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我們大概要到什麼時候才能夠比較清楚這些有職榮民因為他們是中高齡的勞工了那多半很多人慢性病長期需要就醫那榮總離他們可能很遠那為了要省下這個醫療費用的話他要請假跨區奔波就醫延誤治療還會被扣薪水這個其實是我們收到的這個懲請那我認為托福會是非常有心要幫忙解決的所以我想要請問一下這個部分接下來接下來 |
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我們大概會用什麼樣的一個進度就比較具體的進度去把這個案子能夠走下去 |
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謝謝委員我個人認為有職農民到軍醫院他是更有需要因為當初當軍人的時候都在軍醫院做體檢所有的資料都在軍醫院裡面是非常完整的所以有職農民到軍醫院我們現在也繼續徵詢那我們的文已經送到行政院對就是因為我們回到上一章給大家看一下已經完成相關的一些就是您說這個退服會有職農民在國軍醫院裡面沒有部分負擔補助這個部分嘛對不對 |
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去年九月是完成了榮院的一個補助都完成了那現在我們這階段是推到軍醫院所以推到軍醫院目前都正常所以軍醫院的這個核准下來了嗎現在目前還沒有但我們上個禮拜還在跟院裡面各處在協調那我們大概在什麼時候會比較能夠確認說他是有還是沒有當然我們也很急我們也希望能夠盡快我們真的盡快能夠下院 |
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那未來如果軍醫院能夠過了之後那對於部立醫院的部分我們有沒有考慮再進一步的提出來是 我們後面可能繼續再去爭取好 那我們在這個退服會爭取的過程當中有任何需要我們協助的地方那可以跟我們說喔是 謝謝委員對 因為我最後補充跟大家補充一下就是現在呢 少子化所以當兵的人也少那麼呢 這個但我們國軍有很大的這個招募的需求 |
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那招募員在前面招募他們也很辛苦那主要呢他們除了看一般平常的薪資之外那你一個年輕人要選擇要不要去個工作那除了看這個工作薪資也會考慮他退休以後的福利待遇是否有符合這份工作他應該要有的譬如說像很多其他國家像是韓國或是其他國家他們是對於退伍的軍人是有很多的保障 |
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那這一塊退幅會很努力在做可是我不希望因為單位小或者是它是已經退休了我們不應該因為退休了之後好像就變成它視為比較不重要的我們只在乎在職的而不在乎退休的因為如果這樣子失衡的話就會使在前線招募的人他們也有困難因為我們在選擇一個行業的時候我不會只看我現在能夠領多少 |
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我也會看我20年就要退伍了那我退伍以後我的轉職路線怎麼辦我也沒有一些相關的福利跟補助這也是為他們考量的一個這個項目所以我覺得反過來講就是我們退伍會做得好我們退伍會能夠被上級機關重視那他對於在前線招募軍人的這些招募員來講是一大福利 |
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所以用這樣子去想的話其實退輔會的整個重要性都上來了所以非常謝謝我們園主委的努力那未來有任何需要協助的部分我們都會繼續為榮民發聲謝謝謝謝委員 指導好 我們謝謝徐小軍委員接下來我們邀請楊瓊英委員 |
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謝主席 楊秋瑩發言 邀請主委請主委 |
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主委好辛苦了我們來討論醫療人員的議題那首先我要發言之前要先給我們所有農民醫院的院長所帶領的團隊要謝謝他們因為我們農民醫院的確為國家付出很多的貢獻這個貢獻是他們用體力 |
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用家庭的時間去換取的因為我們唯一一個最優良的就是不能拒絕病人這一點是本人非常非常的感謝所以我們來看到因為護理人力的一個短缺跟這個關船的壓力但是現在我們各個榮民總醫院都是逆勢而行而且大成功 |
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那所以呢我就以我在中部地區台中籠總台中籠總的部分呢去年他們招募的護理人員是這個總共有560人他的一個報道率是6成多他的留職率是9成5 |
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留職率 留任率能夠九成五這不簡單那當然中榮比較好的就是他找得到地方像北榮 高雄榮總 屏東他們也希望我們有這個托兒所托兒所將近有220個小朋友 |
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還是不足但是至少有這個量體那這樣子整個的配套能夠讓這些從業人員能夠安心下來這非常重要但是每一年這一屆院長還是很緊張他們還要到大專院校去去護理學校去招募比如說像我們的鐘榮他去年560人今年他至少要有400個人 |
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這樣子才能夠穩住這一些不缺的就像北龍也不缺那大家一起努力來做那當然各自醫院有各自的保守啦有他自己的方法我就以中龍來講他自主的排班這一點我很贊同因為我經常在這裡了解 |
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病房的部分他能夠由資深的護理師他們自己來調整這個對他們的家庭來講是幫助很大每一家醫院都有每一家醫院他們的方法所以如果你看留職率就知道留任率是九成五以上這個了不得 |
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但是各個醫院必須自負盈虧啊他還是要想辦法現在我們有一個問題我要率先請主委我們自己龍總自己來做也就是比如說中榮他們一天的這個出院的人那麼多出院之後護理師必須要去做銜接尤其長照的居家的這個3.0居家照護的那這些護理師還不算在我們的這一些喔那在這樣情況之下 |
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未來這個角度這個角色是越來越重以中榮來講我們現在離院的要去協助他的只有4個護理師啊那雖然我們有2628個護理人員啊 |
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但是這個部分呢4個那另外呢居家的部分我們12個這是兩不得的因為衛福部還沒有在做基金的一個協助所以我提出的這個問題也就是長照機構現在大家重視在集中度 |
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的這個部分但是我們知道龍總醫院跟其他的醫院私人院所也好跟台大他們比較不相同的是我們的年齡層平均值病患會高一點而且我們越來越常受所以居家照護的部分是必要的 |
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所以像最近他們四個也希望給副院長這邊再申請兩個都要准他們願意做都了不得了雖然你要多付一點成本但是這個是衛福部主委這是衛福部現在在整個長照機構裡頭的護理師人員的銜接在居家他還沒有再做這一塊的津貼補助 |
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所以本期我個人認為主委我們可以率先來做你的醫療作業基金可以協助給我們的這個這個個院我們來做一個sample做一個範本讓衛福部也加緊腳步來做啊這樣子整個才能夠銜接上來啊要不然他離院之後他也沒有人好好的去告訴他那整個只有做半套個人認為這是不夠的主委你的看法呢 |
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謝謝委員的指導對我們總院的各項的肯定我們各總院其實都是朝向友善職場包含委員剛剛講的這些護理師他的工作的量怎麼樣去調節我想各總院都會針對剛剛委員所指導的他們會再針對居家或長道這塊再做一個你率先來做你支持他們你不是只有嘴巴支持他們絕對支持你預算要支持他們 |
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因為這個小錢但是是給我們在第一線的護理人員是最大的一個鼓勵也給病患的家屬啊他很安心那你也會跑比這個衛福部還更快長照室那邊還要更快當然不是說比誰快慢啦而是說社會的面向已經必須 |
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因為我在博士班的時候我非常的重視這一塊我覺得我們可以率先來做可以嗎 主委同意那你們好好地去研擬那接下來我還要講各大醫院裡頭最傷腦筋的是什麼 |
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停車場 停車格 停車格周榮還率先有一個趴車的趴車的 是全國第一個嘛 是不是啊那第一個 可是只能趴多少人趴50台 趴100台 趴車的付100塊 就趴 |
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那問題是量體不夠啊所以在這個中隆我要給主委說明中隆旁邊有一塊戲庭酒停車場酒你要全力專案支持它 |
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因為呢 私人的土地啊 可是它黏在旁邊 它是停車場解決停車的問題 唯一解決停車的問題因為你現在的量體 不到五分之一啊所以我今天進入到院區來 我轉了 欸 你給我收的是停車費耶可是我轉了 我繞了一個鐘頭還找不到一個車位那這個一個鐘頭要不要算錢啊 當然算錢啦 |
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可是消費者說我又沒停車我引擎一直在動我一直在找停車格所以從根源來解決中隆的西停九在這旁邊因為它現在第三醫療中心又少了200個停車格那我們更傷腦筋每一個選民不夠我轉了一個多鐘頭跑進去診間的時候我又跳號了 |
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又過號了那怎麼辦呢所以我們也你說的友善環境啊針對於中隆停車格我相信北隆也一樣啊高雄隆總也一樣啊屏東也一樣啊因為它已經有專案有這個案子我請主委來專案來支持好不容易可以找到這個土地但是要錢一定要解決這個問題共同開發是不是成立一個專案 |
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我們會全力協助中榮全力協助嘛好好來做這個一定可以真正的去紓解因為再不然我們職子中心起來那個第三醫療中心又起來我缺的停車場停車格更多更多都打結了好不好全力協助中榮專案來協助嘛好謝謝那這個請院長都請回那最後一個議題也就是我們非常非常努力的一個事情 |
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你們在4月9號開始農民照護數位轉型平台本人非常贊成我個人非常贊成你整合了整個醫療端服務端你的個案端還有家屬端的資料透過APP來進行跨域的一個共管這個非常好整個醫療的一個 |
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保健照護服務以及健康的一個檢查資料進一步能夠去把這些風險呢 預測模型哇 這個非常的讚喔所以本席要請教我們過去 現在你這個政策就是說以前是被動式的被動式的來照顧現在是主動的來照顧喔那在這樣子一個情況之下你的整合照顧我所稱的目的就是要依照合一 是不是啊 |
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依照合一就是讓我們的人民病患農民可以安心嘛這很重要所以主委你們目前的建制情況究竟是如何因為你4月9號宣布那麼你們的KPI到底是怎麼樣你有沒有去計算你如果這個政策下去你預估你可以降低多少的就醫次數跟醫療的這個成本 |
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請說明這個系統我們準備今年7月它是一個啟動的一個元年就是7月份正式啟動在7月之前我們的系統現在剛剛委員講的四個系統已經完成了這裡面四個端已經完成了現在各容服務處是執行單位服務照顧19個處遍佈全台灣所以他們是執行單位 |
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那麼他們要自己驗證那這裡面驗證我跟他們指導最重要就是你的照護端照護的人力夠不夠因為每一個孤獨老可能服務對象都不同這個非常重要都不同所以這些照護的照護網夠不夠盡量多像零拖員啊里長啊或者是送餐啊或者是社工都要夠所以照護員盡量去擴充 |
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那醫療端比較單純就是總院總院的醫生或是各款師是這樣子然後這段時間到七月之前都要做這件事情希望盡量擴充把這個量能做到最大然後我們七月份就開始要做全面的推動 |
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所以我們目前就是建制四端已經建制完成現在在做農耗以及人力的一個統合那醫院院所當然是沒問題我們就全力來支持所以我個人還要請你做一件事情也就是我們有一個政策之後呢那你的KPI必須要出來誠如剛剛本席所說的你預估我這麼做我多久時間我應該可以達到 |
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怎麼樣的這個就醫的次數可以怎麼樣減少那醫療成本大概可以減少多少我覺得這個從源頭來做是效果非常的好 |
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高雄市起步比較早我們以高雄市來做了前面第一劑的一個檢討做了之後跟第一劑做了之後跟去年去比較他是就整個服務隊上去門診的次數是有減少因為依照合一次數減少那醫療的資源也比之前要節省這兩個效果已經有出來了但是我是請我們各容服處 |
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全面的再做一個交叉的驗證對 交叉再提出你的KPI目標出來是有效果的是有效果的 謝謝是 謝謝委員好 謝謝楊瓊英委員接下來請陳冠廷委員你好 我們先請主委好好 主委請 |
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教委好 主委好 主委也是軍人 那也是農民那其實今天我們做了一個決議那主要是跟我國的總統要出訪的時候受到中共的這種惡意的干擾那我必須要強調 這個中共每一分對我國外交的孤立我們就多一倍對我們國防的投入 被我們國防的投資這就是我們最好的一個繁殖的方式 |
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如果他們不讓我們在外交上面走出去那我們就用國防上面來強力去建軍讓我們自己更有能力來對抗抵抗中共的各種的這種侵擾那第二個部分我要跟這個朱薇來談一下我們的農民的部分朱薇知道我們農民的平均年齡大概是幾歲嗎中位數或者是平均年齡有沒有相關的資訊大概的歲數就好了我們不用精準的數字 |
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66歲這個數字可能是平均但是其實我們可以發覺到在近年 |
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那越來越多的退伍的軍人他的有年輕化的趨勢有時候在我國高中求學的階段的時候我們講到農民的時候都是講到農民伯伯阿公那種感覺都是八九十歲七八十歲的那種印象其實不斷的在一年一年的年輕化這個狀況是應該是很明顯的應該沒有錯嘛 |
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那也就是說這些未來從以前的老年的農民會走向壯年的農民甚至會變成中年的農民會越來越多所以未來他們再就業再投入在這個產業甚至是重回軍旅的可能性越來越高特別是在最近我們看到說在對這個軍中的這種職務上面的薪資的提高我已經有聽到至少在我們的辦公室我們在家裡的辦公室其實基本上都是 |
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軍人退役的大概有快要到六成到七成都是在隔壁的憲民隊還沒有退役就準備要來我們這個辦公室那我們看到說這些這些同仁們他們也有跟我們強調到說發覺到說最近軍中的這種薪資越來結構開始在調整之後他們也想要來回應我想請教一下 |
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這個主委對未來怎麼樣規劃就是還是在中壯年假設他們要回應有沒有更大的這個招募的方式或者是專門針對這些農民讓他們有願意可不可以再回來或者是有什麼樣的機制讓他們繼續再對這個我們的國防效力 |
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有關剛剛委員講的這部分是屬於國軍的再露營的部分那再露營現在很多的新的措施有一些是就是把連線增長比如說退伍的時候以前可能是那個可以再露營 |
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上位階以下然後這個退伍多少五年之內那現在又把這個時間增長退伍的那個階級也在研究是不是在繼續增長沒關係我在第二個部分我就在講我就繼續講阿群不管是在國防部的還是這個退伍會的我還是要強調就是說我們之前上一次的質詢都一直在說的是什麼 |
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就是希望說未來我們從軍事上面退休的人員他不一定要去新自備的不一定要去跟農園公司相關的可以跟國防相關的那他們想要在入是一個說法那可能不是你們直接的業務但是他們想要去國防的承包商也好就像美國的這一些很多的在入我為什麼要講這件事情昨天 最近我們有一個台裔的太空人來訪台灣 |
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那如果我們仔細看NASA他的訓練的這個太空人來看的話他總共大概到去年左右大概總共訓練了大概到360多名的太空人其中有212位是有軍事背景的榮民所以說在這麼多尖端的這種科技裡面我們看得到榮民在美國的參議院跟眾議院我看到最新的一些相關的資訊眾議院裡面的榮民大概是有或者是說曾經服過軍役的有79名 |
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在參議院有18名也就是在美國不管是在政治的這個最高的國會殿堂到這個宇宙到太空的這些太空相關的從業人士太空人都有非常大的比例也就是說如果我們把榮民他的這樣子未來的發展只把他定位成我退休保全或者是我退休就去新之北如果比較高階的降臨 |
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那就是把我們自己的可能性作效了我要看到我們的預算是能夠發揮在把這些農民的潛力全力激發出來他們是已經超越天氣他們是到太空上我剛剛講到的是360多名的這個NASA選拔的太空裡面200多名有軍事背景有農民的經驗這還我們不是指示他們去做這個太空的任務而已包含他們在工程學的軍事背景之外他們有工程學的研究或者是在這種各種的 |
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科學的那個能力都是在他們軍中培養出來的所以我一直在強調就是說我這次也是要強調說我們的預算裡面不是只有說哪一個農場或者是說哪一個天然氣的公司或者是說轉投資的哪一個電影的公司等等的這些沒有把他們原本的潛力發揮出來那如果他們可以超越天際他們可以到最高的國會殿堂我們那個比例是很高的耶美國的參議員100名 |
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以內18位有軍事背景那快要到養成了這個是很高的這個比例跟NASA也是一樣如果在工程、科學、政治他們都有這樣子的潛能的話我真的是希望說不要以後看到只是最後都是要嘛去保全要嘛就是去這個新自備的公司這個真的是會完全的把我們的可能性給降低那這個部分可不可以請這個主委來簡單回應一下 |
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報告召委我想召委指導的這個主要就是能夠投入到國防工業這一塊讓我們現在研製的軍民專長轉弦系統我們可以把召委指導的關於國防的一些需求軍工的需求這些專長 |
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反正納進來 那將來退下來的農民我們看看是給他哪些對 我再補充一下 不好意思因為我們看到很多退役的這些將官或者是校官後來有些可能去美國的或者是其他國家以色列也好 美國也好的這些公司來去協助他們 |
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那對我來講我會覺得比較可惜的是說他們不必做協助的工作他們可以做主堡的工作他們可以自己再成為一個新創公司的工作那剛才你提到說平均年齡大概是66我看是平均是66沒錯但是每一年我相信會下降啦他的中位數一定是在甚至是四五十因為大家退伍的都早啦沒有升到將官的那些校級軍官 衛級軍官都退伍的都很早那我會覺得就像我剛才不要讓他們只當去保全 |
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你有這些能力有這些潛力知道說軍中的這些缺的是什麼的話然後培養他們做新創產業啊你有沒有這個培養的生態圈在美國有一個叫DEF就是翻成中文的話就是國防創新論壇 |
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也是他們的這些退役軍人他們自己做的這個國防創業論壇就是他們自己聚在一起來分享說我退役之後我去創了什麼樣的業哪些是跟國防相關的哪些是跟國防不直接相關的比方說我們剛剛講到的太空產業啊太空產業不是在國防外交委員會啊太空產業是在教文嘛 對那他們能不能參與 當然可以啊我們中科院的這些研究的東西能不能夠把它移轉出去 |
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都是這些過去他們學習的東西明明就可以在民間上面發展那我在預算中看到的比較多的都是形裡如一創新性少了一點那我自己也不是什麼創新的人物的我沒有我很難去完整的要求大家都應該怎麼做但是我是覺得說除了這過去你不管是在國安會也好在軍中也好我覺得是可以大膽一次來去做一些過去沒有做過的事情 |
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因為我覺得最大的可惜就是大家怕犯錯嘛 怕被罵嘛就是有些露營的記者然後錄完一整天然後就 誒 陳品耶我忘記帶記憶卡為什麼你忘記帶記憶卡因為我怕被罵我們不要這樣我們就勇敢的去試試看因為我覺得現在我們都說要1.25兆裡面我們說要商購 |
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我們商購偉智這個部分那不就是大家很好的這些過去的這些農民朋友們特別是有科學背景能力的人就是可以好好的發揮好不好這高階人才的運用中階人才中階人才基礎人才都一樣我是覺得高階人才在現在這個全黑暗的這個社會我不知道什麼是高階什麼是中階我認為只要是願意去參與的他就是人才 |
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我們每半年其實都會跟國防部來協商叫他把這個名單取得以後我們會引導他進入跟就是相關的一個領域繼續延續他的一個在軍中所學 |
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那现在我们在推的就是军民专长转弦您刚有提到我们其实现在将来明年1月1号甚至于5月我就可以把那个军民专长军中所学的我就可以运用到他投入相关的一个产业里面我们已经在做这件事情甚至于职训上面我们这几年配合国家五大信赖的产业举例来讲其中就有军工产业 |
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次世代的通訊AI這些都是很重要的產業我們的執訓中心我們要求他都是朝這個方向去做培訓將來訓練完以後就投入相關的產業以上好 謝謝謝謝召委好 謝謝陳冠廷委員 |
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謝謝王玉川委員謝謝王玉川委員我們接下來請王玉川委員上台質詢好謝謝昭偉我們請主委謝謝我們請主委 |
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主委這個退伍會的工作很辛苦我看你們的預算很少很少增加的也不多不過有幾個課題請教一下第一個在你們預算的第144頁有一個叫做訪查大陸地區高額遺產繼承人就是說我們的榮民可能他就 |
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死亡過後遺產超過一百萬那我們必須派人到中國去確認他的繼承人的這些狀況我們一定要派人去沒有別的方式可以來處理這件事同樣的因為也有一些是這個榮民他就後來不管是生病什麼樣的因素他就住在中國了 |
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我們還要派人去確認我們沒有別的方法可以確認這一位就是我們的榮民然後他現在還也許生病臥病在床透過視訊透過各種各式各樣的方法總比我們還要派一個人去找到他這些費用都不高啦但是沒有其他的方法可以處理 |
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那委員所關心的現在大陸救養龍是現在目前一百一十五年是一百零一個人數已經減少了當初三百多個那從一百一十三年陸委會有發布橙色燈號就大陸地區他不是很安全健康會有問題所以我們就沒有去這些人都沒有去沒有去我們採取指紋驗證指紋驗證來查 |
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那這些人當初都在我們榮家來救養所以各榮家每一季也會做一些電話的一些查訪那可是你們有編要去的錢啊是 這些錢都沒有 我們連累都繳回都繳回有編都沒有原來編了51萬去探訪的對因為就是跟委員報113年開始以後就沒有再去了就沒有再去了所以這些錢都繳回 |
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但是預算還是編在那邊預算編那就繳回因為如果橙色燈號有變化的話跟你還是要去所以現在是橙色燈號我們就不去所以不去是但是還是留著留著到年底就會繳回那這些錢不能用別的方式就讓你們在驗證的過程中那邊的成本會增加然後就直接把這個拿掉困難在哪裡我們都繳回我知道我說那邊這筆的目的是什麼可以嗎 |
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老闆我是救養處業管,那有關這個我們訪視是很重要的一環,那現在101位在大陸,我們在108年前我們有持續做這個工作。我知道透過視訊也可以嘛,因為農家的人,這些輔導的人一定認識那一位老伯伯農民嘛,那就確定是他嘛。 |
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大家視訊一下就好啦 人去人去我們試圖有這樣做那現在因為大陸地區這個資安管控的問題所以我們以電話聯繫的方式跟指紋驗證來執行所以這是剛剛主委講到基本上這些費用沒有使用啦第二個就是 |
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我看你們榮民榮眷的健康保險的保費是增加的可是為什麼你們親含就學的補助費用是降低的親含的就學 子女的就學的補助是降低的 |
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我們在人數的部分因為有一段時間他們是會跟縣市政府的申請清涵子女補助的部分那他可以選擇跟我們申請那因為少子化的關係就慢慢減少了所以這個清涵、榮民、子女就學補助比去年少是因為人數變少是他可以選擇跟縣市政府或者跟我們都可以的那健保的費用為什麼會增加 |
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建保113年建保的費用在你們報告的預算書的39頁,榮民、榮眷的建保的費用都增加為什麼增加?大家都增加嗎?還是人數的問題? |
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委員好 我是就醫保健處參事增加的原因是因為健保在結算的時候有發現我們經過有些榮民有增加投保到六類移牧為什麼會增加投保六類移牧的人數主要是經過我們本會的一個宣導讓他們做一個最適的投保有時候他們可能依附到家屬依附到他們的小孩的 |
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當成依附的眷屬或是他們投保錯誤的第五類所以就是我們有這樣的一個發現你們人真好謝謝就是錢變成是你們付而不是他的家人那邊付這個是他的權益在健保法裡面有規定就是我們無職業的榮民他的保費是由本會來支應這很好 這個政府幫忙處理 |
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比這個子女處理可能更好接下來有一筆錢是在第67頁你們去採購了一個叫做AI面試設備那我的理解是讓我們的這個要轉職的農民弟兄他們要去面試之前有一個模擬面試的概念那你們採購了20套 |
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| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
11136.74 |
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請問這20套是一個什麼什麼概念是版權買20套還是有20套放在20台電腦還是在20個地方 |
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委員好 我是救學監獄處處長跟您報告我們買了這個就是AI的模擬系統我們要在全國的19個容服處跟執訓中心都有這樣子的一套系統這個系統呢是我們跟勞動部桃竹苗分屬授權給我們來運用但是我要透過我一個電腦的一個monitor的系統來去讓我的退出於官兵在做面試的一個模擬練習你覺得 |
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大家模擬面試還要跑去一個固定的定點嗎他不能在他家用嗎他還要跑去那裡不是很奇怪嗎是委員報告我們剛講因為這個是我們從事辦到今年邁入第二年因為這個是我們要結合很多的退伍官兵因為他去求職會到我們容服處來做那個職愛諮商職愛諮商的時候我們就順便要幫他去做這個面試的 |
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11204.992 |
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這錢付給誰 這個版權費付沒有版權問題 是他們授權給我們授權是誰授權桃子苗分屬 勞動部 部會之間的資源鏈結所以他收這個錢基本上也沒什麼意義啊 |
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沒有付費是買硬體的設施那你們這個東西就他讓你們的榮民在家裡就可以磨裡面吃為什麼要跑去一個地方呢根據委員報告我懂您的意思但是因為這個即便像桃子苗分屬因為我說過我們是去跟他授權獲得 |
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11259.898 |
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他也是讓桃竹廟地區的人到他那邊去做這樣的一個模擬嘗試因為那如果說要讓每一個人都開放的話這個版權是桃竹廟分屬我們可以去跟他洽談協商包委員跟榮福住他有一個就業站就業站專門介紹你成功的讓你去就業所以在家裡面可能有一些榮福住有的家裡會沒有所以在榮福住是比較 |
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比較完整啦如果是要找工作去榮福署的就業站因為他有一個完整的一套人馬在那邊這是大家就習慣會去一個點就業媒合20套榮福署再加上我們退伍會的執行中心最後一個是在預算書41頁有關於這個偏鄉醫師留任的這個不管是獎助補助這一類這個預算跟去年的預算是一模一樣的 |
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時代已經在變成本越來越高你們要留任偏鄉的醫師結果你們編的這個預算要鼓勵這個醫師在偏鄉留任的費用沒有增加這到底怎麼回事 |
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這樣怎麼留任報委員這個是一個衛福部的一個偏鄉留任的這個醫師的獎勵計畫所以他們每年框的那個額度都是一樣的那我們會按照這樣的額度來看這個今年來登記的這個醫師有多少人這樣子所以我們在去年的部分我們核定了42位那今年核定31位那每年來這個報這個計畫的人數都會不一樣會有修正那你們不可以加嗎可以加的是只要預算有這個剩餘的話我們都可以在年度內可以再增加 |
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不是 我就說你們不可以個人增加嗎個人的費用這個費用是按照衛福部的公道地區的醫院來給的費用那你們不能增加 退伍費自己不能加就到我這個育女農民的我就增加 |
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是對,報告委員那個玉里跟鳳林還有新竹目前都屬於高度偏鄉的醫院,他的金額已經有調高了,按照衛福部的公告已經有調高了不是,我說衛福部公告以後你們可不可以再增加?沒有嘛報告委員,我是副主委吳志揚 |
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那這個部分因為這個計畫是衛福部頒訂的包含這些死不復活資格還有訂定高度偏鄉和這個偏遠的部分一百八十萬一年跟一百二十萬一年他這個都是衛福規定如果要調可能要衛福部那邊來決定我們會向衛福部再爭取如果預算可以編不是啊衛福部訂了一個嘛那全國適用嘛沒有沒有他是全部所有的全國適用嘛對不對全國適用是那我們退伍會自己的 |
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不能增加我們不能再加我們退幅費有我們自己訂的這個同籌款的部分但是因為這個部分它有條件比如說留任的部分偏向醫師留任最多只能領兩年超過以後就沒有了所以說我們每一年按照這個預估的人數編列這些預算那平均大概抓145萬一年一個醫師所以說我們這個錢大概都是固定這個我懂啦這全國都一樣嘛就是說那但是 |
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退府會自己所屬的這些相關的醫院,我們不能再加了,一個月加個兩萬、三萬這對你們來講也是第一次而已,讓更多偏鄉的願意留在我們的系統裡我們輔導會有自己的統籌款的部分像我們心境醫師的部分,今年我們就有調整到一個醫師補助三十萬 |
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那這個因為這個系統兩個規矩不一樣一個是衛福部訂所屬但是我們自己的醫生我們錢自己編但是我必須按照他所訂的標準來給付那我們自己統籌款的部分我們也會拎搬下去給各院有個依據衛福部比較沒錢啦 |
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你看你在台北榮總錢那麼多錢也是用我們自己的台北榮總用那麼多錢玉里花蓮也算台北榮總管的嘛那要擺一些會鼓勵大家到偏鄉榮民醫院的系統裡頭去服務嘛研究看看啦只要衛福部不反對你們應該就可以做了衛福部能夠提高我們就跟著提高沒問題謝謝 |
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謝謝王一川委員 接下來我們請洪孟凱委員上來質詢主席謝謝 麻煩請主委 |
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黃委員好好主委好把握時間我想本期也跟不管是趙偉或是我們相關委員都很關心就是說我們現在退府會照顧農民人數現在有到30萬左右那其中第二類的退除役官兵是5萬5千多名第二類那第二類他就是說這個輔導期限內的這個退除役官兵其實最重要我們看 |
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你說像美國其實很多的企業他們都很希望使用什麼這個軍校出身的人才因為他們認為是說軍校出身的人才他是有紀律執行力而且刻苦耐勞那一樣我們也希望是說在現在台灣缺工的狀況我們也希望我們這個 |
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退除易官兵年輕的他可以投入到職場能夠有更好的運用所以我看到開宗明義也想到重點是精進AI培育人才等等的這個本席這個方向我都支持我沒有意見因為這也是我們現在產業需要人才但重點在於是我們現在有沒有掌握到底這個第二類退出易官兵他的媒合人次以及他退伍之後的穩定就業率 |
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以及它分佈的產業狀況到底我們有沒有這樣的一個建議請就業處處長來簡單說明一下好不好委員好 我是就學就業處處長跟您簡要的回應第一個 暴力官兵因為他的平均退伍年齡27歲左右所以他最需要的就是我們就學 執訓 就業的一個輔導因為我們要讓他重新回到社會職場那因此在這個我們的調查裡面 |
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本會每一年要輔導有一萬人左右重新回到民間職場在二類官兵裡面原則上就有將近六成都是我們二類官兵因此我們的培訓上面就聚焦到 |
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結合我們現在年輕人這一群人他最適應的一個產業那配合國家的產業政策跟他們的需求還有我們看到產業上面很多缺工的地方我們就這個方面來導入這個AI科技業這樣子那所以在這樣的一個情況之下二類官兵確實每一年在運用甚至於在領我的促進穩定就業津貼也是非常多數的以上 |
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處長你講那麼多都沒有聽清楚本席的問題然後回答啦好處長今天我們在共同討論就是說我開宗明義講了嘛你的方向沒有問題但我現在要問的是就像如同很多的大專院校主委我相信應該都會有這個社會見大專院校他也會去詢問是說他未來畢業生三年內五年內他投入什麼樣的職場他的職場分佈如何以及他的平均薪資是什麼 |
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那本席現在這才重點嘛就是說你如果說能夠落實知道我們的退出區官兵年輕的這些朋友他後續的就業是不是有跟我們現在推動的方向一致我們不能一直講說AI AI AI AI就到最後因為本席也確實我們跟民間很多的接觸我們很多的退出區官兵他可能去擔任保全業 |
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可能去擔任這些相關的物業等等我覺得這也很好職業沒有高低但我們現在方向所以本席現在才想請教是說我們有沒有針對我們這二類的退職官兵他的平均薪資或者是說產業分佈我們去做一個掌握那我們可能這樣因為今天是年度預算也因此本席才要的是說你有這樣的一個資料往這樣的方向代表是我們現在走的路是正確的加強處理加強運用來簡單回答好 |
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跟委員報告我們現在整個輔導他們退出於官兵再就業回到職場的平均薪資我們的資料調查都是在三萬三萬五以上至少有三萬五以上平均都有有產業最主要大家產業大部分還是以這個製造業服務批發零售業資源服務業為主好 |
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分佈的比例這個再請給本席一個資料既然已經有好那這樣就請今天看是下班前或是三天內給本席這樣相關的資料我們再來做一個追蹤因為數據才會說話數據才是我們這樣子的政策是不是延續那如果說數據是往好的方向走我們當然合理的預算能支持我們一定大力支持好不好那主委在另外一個部分所以等一下你看 |
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三天內給本席相關資料好不好好 主委兩分鐘時間我也再另外為我們北海岸的鄉親請命因為我知道說這個我們台北榮總我們榮總體系其實這個醫院辦理得非常好那也確實也讓很多的這個北部地區其實不只北部地區因為我們現在台北榮總的分院 |
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很多我剛算了一下應該有七八個分院對不對那也遍佈到這個花東地區宜蘭花蓮等部分那現在我們也提到就是我們的北海岸淡海新市鎮這個我也跟衛福部有提過因為現在北海岸淡海新市鎮有這個新 |
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市政的開發很多的這個退役官兵也選擇在我們淡水落腳居住那還有就是那邊的醫療需求也有需要那很多人就在講因為其實住在淡水地區的人他也都會到石牌來去做籠總的一個就醫那有沒有機會因為我們現在要爭取在那邊有醫療專區那有沒有機會我們這邊也能夠來評估看看是不是有分院的可能性 |
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非常謝謝黃委員現在北海岸一帶就是台大靜山醫院跟淡水馬捷在主要支撐但是很多人信任北龍都到北龍來就醫因為有捷運就直接到石牌站那如果是有量能那長官希望我們做那我們會評估我們自己有沒有這個能力因為現在醫療的人的能力非常的缺乏 |
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醫療其實我們自己民意代表非常清楚所以說我們站在這邊第一線的醫護人員等等的我們能夠給予支持我們大力支持所以現在有很多其實是開了有病房但沒人力沒有辦法開接收這個急診轉這個病房等等我們也都理解但本席現在講的是說如果說沒有是一個醫院譬如說24小時急診的需求但是能夠有譬如說分院門診中心等等 |
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對於一般來講的這個醫療其實它也是分流的一個狀況就如同您剛剛有提到淡海新市鎮其實它不只是淡水包括三之十門北海岸因為台大的金山分院它其實是比較服務的是右半邊那邊包括貢寮、瑞屏、雙溪、屏溪等等但這邊包括說淡水包括巴黎那尤其淡江大橋即將通車所以本期今天才會拋出來這個議題 |
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過去丹江大橋還沒有要通車前本行沒有冒然拋出是因為我也認為是說交通的一個部分要考量但現在既然已經有但海新市政這邊也會預留醫療專區那剛剛院長也講了一個白話就說只要主管支持 主委支持 長官支持他們可不可以來做評估主委能不能 |
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也針對這個部分我會請衛福部請地方政府提出需求但是如果說有希望能夠退輔會籠總體系一起來討論的時候能不能也一起以一個開放的心胸共同來討論 |
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有足夠的人力,我們都願意幫助我們新北市的民眾,都非常的樂意我們還是往一個開放的方向,用做可行性評估的方向我們來做推動,這樣可以嗎? |
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好 我會請新北市政府因為這還是地方政府這邊也要開出他們的一個需求那未來也會找不管是我們退府會不管是衛福部我們共同來討論但是希望是我們是一個比較open的方式來去做討論那如果可以真的落腳在淡海新市鎮這真的也是造福不管是一般的民眾或造福我們的退役官兵等等這樣可以嗎謝謝主委 謝謝委員好 感謝 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝洪孟凱委員接下來我們要謝謝接下來我們邀請鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員不在葉元之委員葉元好 委員請主席好 麻煩請找那個主委好 我們請主委 |
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葉委員好主委好我想陳錫剛那個委員問的有關於就是我們榮民的就業問題因為其實說真的我們有一些不管是軍官也好士兵也好他們退伍是因為法定年紀到了他退但他還非常的年輕 |
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你如果讓他們在家裡沒有事做其實對我們社會也是一個損失我覺得有很多剛退下來的那些軍官士官他可以做的事情非常多但是他現在就受了一個限制你們知道是什麼嗎你們知道是什麼嗎 |
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他們受到的限制就是只要他去應徵就是有公家資源所挹注的公司或機關或單位的話他只能夠領最低薪資不然否則的話他就必須要放棄他的終身縫這個卓偉您知道嗎 |
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知道那現在面對我們整個就業市場人才的缺乏其實我覺得退府會應該要大力的去幫這些農民去爭取應該要打開這個天花板那我覺得從兩個層面來談這件事第一個層面就是我們這個社會我們社會缺人 |
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譬如說像我就很關心教育校園現場的校安問題那現在學校裡面是有校安人員 沒有錯但是校安人員如果可以由退伍的軍人去擔任的話事實上因為他們有受過訓練然後他們知道怎麼面對一些危機他絕對比其他人懂得怎麼去處理一些校園安全的問題 |
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可是問題是他們要來就沒辦法 為什麼呢因為有些可能是公立學校啊有些是私立學校可能有拿政府的補助啊沒有辦法啊否則 那個薪水會超過他能夠領的最低薪資嘛 |
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所以這個退輔會我覺得你應該要去盤點一下他們的這些需求然後去幫忙去爭取那第二個其實我直接從道理上面來講當初為什麼那些軍公教他退伍之後或退休之後會被限制只能領在就業的話只能領最低薪資因為以前他們薪水比較高啊他們退休領的比較多啊 |
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那後來年改之後他所領的也沒有像以前這麼多那你的天花板還依然在那邊你把人家退休領的東西砍了結果人家要憑自己的勞力去再就業對不起你還是有天花板天花板沒有提高這樣合理嗎第三件事情我們國家並不是憑白戶給他們錢他是憑著自己的勞力在賺錢 |
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那只是你給他一個限制而已所以從這幾個方面來講這個我都希望退府會能夠幫這些農民去爭取 |
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那像我自己就覺得那些退伍的農民他除了可以去幫忙做教官他可以做一些這個國防的教官啊 對不對他也可以做很多講師啊現在不是政府都很強調什麼民防嗎 民力啊 任性啊你如果由退伍的軍人來做講師的工作不是非常適合嗎為什麼不要然後導致於現在有很多人退伍以後一些人退伍以後他們都戲稱好像都只能做三保啦 |
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那麼比較多的人去做這個保險然後不然就是做保全然後不然就做開計程車司機等等有一些人就去做這個工作但他們也許他們想要再幫國家做事啊就被限制啦那我覺得你如果把那個天花板打開其實你對於募兵也有幫助為什麼因為當一個年輕人他決定要投入這個軍旅生活的時候他也會考慮他退休之後的生活嗎 |
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假設他知道說他退休 離了中身份 五十幾歲很年輕退休只能找工作會有一定的限制 那他可能就會考慮啦應該我覺得大部分人退伍之後還會再希望做份工作嘛所以從這幾個面向來講的話畢竟你現在是退伍會主委 但你之前做過非常多重要的位置 |
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國安會秘書長啊 國防部長啊 洞見觀瞻如果你願意去幫忙推動這個事情幫退伍的這些弟兄們號召一下我相信這個會有很有影響力啦不知道主委您有沒有願意我來提會委員的關心對農民的照顧尤其就業這方面這個 |
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天花板就是三萬八這塊那我想跟委員報告因為這個是來自於陸海空氣事務跟福利條例這是主政機關是國防部那委員的指導我想我們也會我們其實前面已經在找國防部相關主政機關來一起研討因為他主政機關要必須要做一些調整和修正或者什麼樣的反應那我們會找他們再來做研討把我們現在 |
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在執訓在就職這一塊農民所碰到的一些困難跟問題或限制因為他在私人機構是沒有這個問題公家 公家醫院就會碰到剛剛委員所講的這些一些審核的一些困難所以我想我們會找國安部一起來研商看怎麼樣來有一個很好的一個方法來解套你從農民的角度出發嘛去跟他講嘛是雖然是主政機關是他可是我們農民有這個需求啊 |
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所以委員剛剛講的一個重點就是有利你招募你就可以打開之後大家都願意去因為將來退了之後他的職場很寬廣沒有限制公司他都可以去任職所以絕對是有利招募然後對我們就業市場就像我們講校園的安全雙贏所以我們會找他那你什麼時候會找他 |
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你有做過部長嗎下面其實很多人都是您的那個以前的屬下你等一下就可以找了啊前面來委員會就有委員關心過所以我們有知會他們知會他們那這樣好不好主委因為我比較喜歡有一個時程啦不然每次都大約在冬季這樣就沒有什麼結論你講一個日期好不好就是說你可以比如說一個月還是兩個禮拜你可以跟國防部討論這個事情然後你一個初步的意見出來好不好用跨部會 |
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你現在要修法嘛對不對就你一個我們有跨部會的一些會議啦透過跨部會的會議跨部會的會議什麼時候預計是在六月份六月是所以你會在跨部會的會議的時候把這個議題列進去 討論那你開完會會議記錄給我好不好好那一定要 一定要盡量促成啦好不好主委可以嗎好 謝謝主委 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請嚴主委 |
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請出位 |
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教委好 主委好 主委就剛剛葉委員其實他提到的這個部分我們想也呼應一下因為現在我們在這麼多年來其實大家在薪資上面的結構其實也不斷在調整那尤其我們在軍中養成也非常不容易那對於有很多其實可以持續報效我們國家或者相關的 |
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這樣子的一個可能自己在學養上面特別專業的部分其實我們政府單位不能不可以好好的去運用他們也很可惜所以就這個部分我們也希望可以據理力爭因為那個天花板真的是不合理就這個部分我們也希望可以謝謝各位知道 |
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那另外我們想要針對這個退府會每年對於所屬單位的交通以及運輸設備我們都會去檢討汰除然後當然也有新增的那我們現在汰除的依據大概是什麼連線或者是期程 |
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就是一般都是依這樣子去看嘛那我們在本席在退府會公務預算書裡面的公務車輛明細表裡面發現我們在108、109年購置的車輛大概已經規劃在115年要汰換可是我們反觀還有97年、98年購置的車輛還要持續使用這個到底是什麼樣的狀況會有這種現象 |
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我們依據行政院規定的啦我們現在看到救護車它的使用年限規定是7年你大概就可以汰換或 |
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可是我們發現好了在退補會所屬的榮家裡面我現在針對的本期針對的是我們的消防車消防車對救護車就是我們所屬的榮家目前有近16輛的救護車已達到汰換的時限就是已經都超過7年以上而且其中更有2輛已經超過10年為什麼不汰換 |
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報告委員好 我是救養處我們目前盤點我們16所農家有26輛那26輛都在10年以下那我們現在就是汰除的基準是以10年還有維修如果說成本過高那我們用這個方式來做汰換 |
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可是我們剛剛有提到就是說超過7年以上你總共有26輛嘛那超過7年以上已經有16輛了而且其實像行政院它規定是在7年以上你就必須要汰換就可以汰換衛福部它是訂定相關的規定10年以上一定要汰除掉 |
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可是我們有兩輛超過十年了我們也沒有太換啊尤其在這一次你已經有編列相關的預算可是他卻沒有檢討因為為什麼會特別提到這個因為救護車他一輛在屏東一輛在彰化因為救護車是擔任第一線救人的任務如果因為太過老舊或者他的零件故障拋錨等等因素而延誤到這些病患的送醫時機後果不堪設想 |
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尤其像我們的榮家其實他大概很多都是年紀比較大的這樣子的一個住民所以就這個部分我們為什麼沒有把他納入去考量這個在衛福部救護車車領超過10年這是要強制淘汰的102年已經有相關的規定公告了包委員我們下去立刻檢討辦理 |
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好 那就這個部分因為它畢竟是救人的我們看到有很多我們在這一次的預算裡面它有相關的機關 主管管或社區服務組長使用的不管是機車或汽車我們都已經要新購或者要汰換那救護車的部分我們希望馬上可以去檢討 |
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去修正 好不好好 謝謝那另外就是要請教主委的就是我們在提升這個施治照顧量能的部分長照萬我園區這是我們今年退府會推動的重要施政的計畫那我們總經費其實從原來的十億一千萬已經調增到十六億八千多萬 |
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他調整的那個金額也非常高那騎乘也從109年到112年本來112年全部可能都要完工已經延長到115年那其中可能還是有比如說板橋跟八德甚至要延到116年那目前的狀況現在相關的設備或人員他準備的如何因為可能都很快要完成了嘛 |
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報導委員關心的十字園區現在目前就是剛剛早有講到一個是八德一個板橋八德是在四月然後板橋到六月然後明年完工然後110年1月啟用 |
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那麼到今年3月整體的預算執行率是81那人力方面我們護理人力從今年的1月1號開始行政院核定從委外轉為我們約用總共合了338元這338元是總數338元依據我們站床率全部都到的話是338元人力但我們現在實際站床率是80所以 |
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目前是257个人那造福人力是2224所以现行的这个造福量能占床率80.4%它是可以满足农家机构照顾的需求可以满足的那后续依占床的状况我们再做调整 |
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對不過主委剛剛你現在你剛剛提到的可能是現況可是現況其實已經有一些人力不足的狀況我們先來看看之前我們退府會的報告裡面說明到115年年底退府會各容家總失智總床位會達到1145床 |
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這個會是我們全台辦理失智照護最大的專業收容單位因為我們有很多新的或者有擴大擴建的部分那我們的總從數會是我們全台灣收容最多的這樣一個單位可是我們反觀其實我們可能在硬體上面的建制都已經完成了可是我們長期照護最重要的 |
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這個重點其實是在人的部分所以我們看到這個容家的照護人力比如說像護理師跟照服員的這個人力要從哪裡來因為你增加了床位然後有這麼大的一個容納量可是我們的人力 |
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要從哪裡來?我們現在看看剛剛主委有提到就是我們已經改用約用制度16所農家裡面約用護理師缺員到現在目前為止是近二分之一的有兩家然後近三分之一的有五家 |
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少了二分之一的大概有屏東榮嘉跟白河榮嘉然後近三分之一的也有五家有板橋、台北、八德、彰化跟花蓮而且這個需求數在增加當中缺口數也在擴大 |
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所以就這個部分我們還是希望我們在整個建制都快要完成的情況之下我們要怎麼樣提升這樣的人力因為我們還是要在十字園區的這個計畫裡面它已經要開始執行那確保相關的人員的穩定性跟品質確保住民要受到照顧的權益跟安全這是要一併去考量的那這些人力的缺口數我們現在有什麼做法或想法嗎 |
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因為現在很多我們看到像包括種種體系啊或者很多其他的醫院的體系也好或者其他民間的單位或者其他的單位其實在做長照在做這些實質的照顧也好其實他們不管在薪資上面或者在福利上面比如說提供住宿啦或者是很多很多的福利在吸引或者要留這樣子相關的人才那我們有什麼樣的配套措施 |
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跟趙偉報告,我們主要是把薪資待遇能夠做調整,能夠提高現在目前轉為約用之後,大概護理師跟照護員薪資都有增加大概到3000到4000左右那根據剛剛趙偉的指導,我們依站床的各農家實際狀況再來吸收招募這些護理師或照護員 |
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對 主委我們現在要討論的是我們可能增加的薪資是從原來我們自己的比較上面去調升可是我們相對的還要去跟其他的未來還要跟其他的醫院醫療院所也好或者其他的單位也好其實也要跟他們做比較當我們的福利還有我們的薪資相對來說沒有比人家好的時候我們要留忍就很困難像我剛剛提到的你缺員 |
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13108.957 |
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二分之一三分之一的所在都有那現在你已經又把它擴大這樣子的一個床位數我們要怎麼樣即使去彌補這樣的人力缺口這個可能也我們要一併的去考量的那這個部分也請今天可能沒有辦法很即時的可以提供比較明確的一個做法跟說法會後請提供相關的書面資料怎麼樣去因應這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
13113.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
13134.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
或者去參考人家怎麼樣去做這樣子的一個調整以因應我們在很快的接下來要開始執行的這樣子的一個計畫內容上面不要因為人力的缺口造成我們在執行上面會碰到很多自愛難行的地方好不好是 謝謝召委我們會強化誘因好然後把資料送給召委好 謝謝是 謝謝召委 |
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13137.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
13138.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
好 謝謝委員謝謝主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
13167.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
13178.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
截止收件依據5月中旬處理提案請退補會收到會整提案後把握時間與提案委員做好溝通以利審查進行10月22日至23日為兩天一次會現在散會 |