| IVOD_ID |
17365 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17365 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-21T08:32:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-21T12:41:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:08:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609338b5f7bafe9683222c186e033ece048b1d480c4e0b4ea52fc59046605f34e8a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「針對開放印度移工來台，國人深感憂心，要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出『開放印度移工來台對我國整體勞工政策與社會治安的衝擊及相關配套（含強化國與國直聘制度及失聯移工強制遣返機制）防治作為』專案報告，並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等4案。（4月17日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月17日）三、邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長列席報告「115年度中央政府總預算案」編製經過並備質詢（含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編製處理情形併予報告）。（4月21日）四、4月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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包園會現在繼續開會進行115年度中央政府總預算案編制經過報告並被質詢含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編制處理情形並與報告首先請行政院左院長報告 |
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韓院長、江副院長、各位委員先進感謝朝野各黨團良性的互動跟協商共同為國家的永續發展嚴守財政紀律、增進人民福祉、攜手合作讓總預算透過今天的附委能夠進入到實質審查的階段 |
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過去一年 國際局勢動盪不安 變化快速中東衝突爆發 俄烏戰爭持續焦灼美國推動的新關稅措施都讓我們面對非常嚴峻的各種挑戰然天佑台灣在全體國人共同的努力之下我國的經濟仍然是逆勢成長 |
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114年經濟成長率達到8.68寫下近15年來最高的紀錄2025年IMD世界競爭力的年報指出台灣在全球名列第六 |
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上升了第二名這是我們的競爭力的表現連續五年我們在超過2000萬人口的經濟體當中台名都是第一而近期台灣股市更成為全球的第七大交易市場 |
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114年3月21日大院通過了修正財政收支劃分法因此115年度分配給地方政府的中央統籌分配稅款達到8841元大幅增加了4165億元 |
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造成中央政府出現極大的財政缺口必須透過調整對地方的各項補助以及增加舉債來因應因而中央統籌分配稅款分配的公式指標因為其中偏重人口的人口數以及盈利事業的營業額進一步擴大了成鄉差距 |
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行政院已在去年11月20日通過《財政收支劃分法》部分條文的修正草案並送請大院審議期待能夠朝向市權能夠劃分財源能夠均衡的方向來通盤的檢討以確保全體國民都能夠獲得一定的生活品質的保障以及公共的服務 |
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115年度中英政府總預算案審議的籌編稅率受到新財化法的影響大幅減少了3,027億但是為了維持國家的推動動能行政團隊能必須增加對國家的建設給國民更多的照顧因此稅出仍然小幅成長280億元 |
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總預算需舉債的額度卻來到了2,992億元如果連同特別預算需舉債共達4,087億元那麼以下僅就國內外經濟情勢的展望總預算編制的原則以及重點綜合的說明二月底爆發中東的戰爭衝擊能源生產與供應 |
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景氣不確定的狀態持續的升高標普全球3月預測115年前球的經濟成長率放緩到2.6%減少了0.3% |
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但我國內就外需的部分我們一月中台美簽訂了投資合作的備忘錄MOU半導體相關產品的關稅不確定因素消除了那麼相關AI的各項運用需求又優於預期渴望帶動我國各項產品的出口 |
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另外來台的旅客也從國內各個國家持續的增加當中而在內需方面上市櫃企業獲利良好推升薪資及股利的發放有助維繫民間消費在投資方面AI相關硬體的需求強勁刺激了國內半導體及相關供應鏈廠商的加速擴充它的先進製程 |
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這都有利於投資動能整體而言我們預期115年台灣經濟會持續穩定的成長GDP規模將突破1兆美元人均GDP會達到4萬4千元美元全年的經濟成長率預估會達到7.7%左右當然戰爭的因素我們還要做持續的滾動的檢討 |
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為了妥善運用有效的資源115年度中央政府總預算案主要的編制原則有以底下五項第一 政府的稅出要衡量稅入的負擔能力與整體可用的資源務實的編制 |
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二 各機關需本零基預算的精神來籌編各項的預算中央對地方的補助款會考量它的財政收支的狀況 市權分配以及承遇的區域的均衡跟公平性 |
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2028.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2042.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
第四,政府的公共投資會兼顧地區的均衡發展。第五,我們會兼顧政府財政負擔、權力義務等等的相對性以及社會公平性這幾個原則,審慎規劃、辦理各項社會福利的措施。 |
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2047.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2062.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
至於115年度總預算編制的重點如下115年度中央政府總預算依循上述及五項的編制原則經過縝密的編定稅入編列2兆8623億元較114年度減少9.6%稅出編列3兆0350億元較114年度增加0.9% |
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2077.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2082.619 |
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稅入稅出相比短差了1,727億元連同債務還本的1,265億元上需融資調度2,992億元全數都會以舉債來予以彌平115年度稅出編制重點如下 |
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2097.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2108.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
第一項是投資關鍵公共的建設落實均衡發展公共建設整體規模達到6704億元均衡台灣重大建設經費其中共佔了2993億元較上年度增加425億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2117.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2126.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
第二 創新驅動產業發展協助中小微企業轉型升級科技發展的計劃經費整體規模達到2031億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2131.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2140.348 |
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2031億元五大信貸產業推動方案287億元較114年度增加64億元AI新十大建設經費311億元較114年增加了139億元中小微企業多元振興計畫的經費加計基金共計109億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2156.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2172.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
第三項會強化國防整體韌性推展國際合作交流我們參佐北大西洋公約組織的標準國防部主管預算加計海巡署預算以及退出與官兵退休給付國防經費為9495億元佔GDP的3.32%外交部預算415億元較114年度增加103億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2186.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2193.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
第四 強力打擊犯罪營造安定公義的國家自然維護費經費合計1589億元較114年度增加119億元其中打擊詐欺犯罪的經費83億元較114年度增加13億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2209.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2229.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
第五項友善育兒家庭支持體系建構優化生養的環境0到6歲國家一起養2.0的經費是1136億元較上年度增加62億元新婚及育兒家庭租金補貼等等合計108億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2231.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2253.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
育嬰留庭薪資補貼及彈性化的方案以及各類生育保險給付的差額補助約列是97億元第六項是落實健康台灣願景完善長照的照護體系健康台灣深耕計畫經費60億元癌症心藥並編制了50億元這連同114年度共預注達到100億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2260.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2278.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
的基金已經規模完成另外長照服務經費達到1153億元較上個年度增加227億元第七項促進文化多元共榮用運動來壯大台灣文化部預算加計基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2280.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2300.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
一共301億元若連同其他部會的文化預算會達到630億元會總共增加了71億元而運動部在去年9月9日正式的成立如連同其他部會體育經費一共達到248億元也較過去增加了72億元第八項是增強氣候變遷調適推動系統性防洪治水 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2310.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2322.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
治水經費合計537億元也較上年度增加169億元因應後關稅秩序時代推升內需刺激經濟我們推動會展經濟國際會議經濟演唱會經濟以及國際體育賽事經濟這個經費總共是75億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2332.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2345.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
第十項是增進地方財政自主均衡縣市區域的發展一般性補助款編列了2500億元統籌分配稅款分配給地方政府8841億元兩者合併中央對地方政府的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2352.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2373.477 |
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總共合計達到1,342億元較114年度增加了4,165億元幅度是58%其次我們談到關於警消人員退休金以及志願役軍人待遇調整這兩項未來預算處理的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2375.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2400.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
針對本月15日大院召開朝野協商各黨團達成共識的結論行政院應該在115年度總預算案附委後半年內提出有關軍人待遇條例及警察人員人事條例之相關修正案及其他有關軍公教保障措施我們做以下的說明政府照顧警消與國軍不遺餘力 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2404.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2424.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
105年起已經適度為軍公教加薪幅度達到14%其中關於軍人待遇的部分114年4月起陸續調整國軍五項家籍這是賴總統任內在蔡總統任內另外還有18項各種不同的家籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2425.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2437.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
光是賴總統這個五項的加擠在去年就已經增加了經費146億元其中志願役加擠的增幅度達到30%到50之間戰鬥部隊的加擠增達的幅度達到133跟140之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2449.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2471.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
例如志願役勤務加給、少校以下以及士兵都調升了五千元戰鬥部隊加給第一類也調升了七千元我們後續將為整體評估現行待遇、加給、福利措施跟未來應強化的事項提出更完整具體的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2473.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2488.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
至於警察人員人事制度將在符合體制跟法制之下持續跟大院來進行協商共同尋求合理而且可行的方向行政院考量不同公務人之間必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2490.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2514.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
注重它的恆平性、公平性以及憲政上不要發生任何的爭議那麼115年度中央政府總預算案我們暫緩編列大院三讀通過的警察人員人事條例以及軍人待遇條例這個修正案以及相關的預算我們已經在去年的8月22日向憲法法庭申請釋憲以及暫時處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2516.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2539.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
未來也一樣會秉持體制健全、法治完備、公平、衡平以及財政永續的原則持續檢討跟進進內容會包括我們會研議更合理反映物價的待遇調整方式也會研議更貼近公務體系實際運作的專業家計調整方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2545.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2567.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
這兩項原則希望跟大院共同來協商兼顧憲政也兼顧國家的財政紀律以上僅就115年度中央政府總預算案的編制重點做綜合說明那麼隨同總預算案送請大院審議的附屬單位預算或編列情形跟稅入將由總署陳主計長財政部莊部長來另做詳細的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2571.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2593.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
中央政府總預算自106年度開始連續8年 稅入 稅出 我們有稅出的剩餘未償債務的餘額佔GDP的比例也穩定下降近來三大國際信用評比的機構均肯定我國財政管理以及財政紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2594.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2621.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
未來本院將以更開放、更富強、更安全的國家總路線落實各項普惠大眾、遊歷台灣向上發展強化國家任性安全的施政打造中華民國台灣成為一個更公平的社會、更文明的國家以實現總統一直推動的創新繁榮、公義永續、民主和平的國政願景國家面臨的挑戰不斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2622.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2648.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
期盼早日大院通過總預算案讓政府全力來推動民生經濟建設提升國家韌性與安全用最大的力量來照顧人民為國人帶來更多的幸福跟溫暖持續壯大中華民國臺灣感謝大家 謝謝好 謝謝卓院長的報告請主計總署陳主計長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2658.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2675.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
韓院長江滬院長各位委員先進大家好115年度中央總預算的編制概況和主要重點左院長已經做了說明現在緊究籌編經過和主要內容進一步提出報告115年度中央總預算的籌編經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2676.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2692.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那114年3月21總統公佈修正財政收支化分法部分條文調整中央和地方政府的一個財源分配所以115年度分配於地方政府的中央統籌分配稅款達8841 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2694.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2710.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
比114年度增加4165億元同時要求一般性補助款不得少修正施行前一年度的一個預算數中央因此產生極大的一個缺口必須藉由調整中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2710.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2710.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
行政院請各機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2734.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2759.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
將原有的計劃或預算全數歸零重新檢討那並規劃預算的一個資源那對於配合當前施政主軸和重大施政所需要的經費應優先在本院框內的稅出額度範圍內來編列那所以我們一百一十五年度中央總預算在一百一十四年八月二十九送請大院來審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2760.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2776.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
那第二個115年度中央總預算案的一個內容重點一 稅入稅出差短和融資調度情形115年度中央總預算案稅入編列2兆8623億元比114年3兆1650億元大幅減少3027億元約減9.6那稅出編列3兆350億元比114年度3兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2789.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2801.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
69億元小幅增加281億元約增加0.9%那稅入稅出相抵之後差短為1727億元連同債務還本1265億元後上需融資調度2992億元全數已舉借債務餘影彌平 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2811.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2840.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那稅入來源別編列的情形115年稅入編列2兆8623億元其中主要是稅客收入編列2兆4807元佔稅入86.7%比114年減少3038主要是因為新制財化法增加地方分層比率比率多那第三個稅出正式別的一個編列情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2842.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2848.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
115年稅數編列3兆350億元各項政事別支出與社會福利支出編列8318億元佔27.4G首位教育科學文化支出編列5566億元佔18.3G第二國防支出編列5488佔18.1G第三經濟發展支出編列4275億元佔14.1G第四 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2872.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2881.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那如果以稅數增列281億元來分析其中國防增加835億元一般政務支出增加318億元那 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2886.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2906.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
補助和其他支出減少476億元教育科學文化支出也減少384億元那主要是配合財政修化化分法修正檢討檢列補助地方教育經費和一般性補助經費等那稅出機關別編列情形是3兆稅出是3兆350億各主管機關編出 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2911.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2928.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
以國防部主管編列5,614億元占18.5居首位衛福部主管編列3,557億元占11.7等直轄市和一般縣市政府一般信不住2,501億元占8.2以114年度相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2932.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2949.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那經檢討調整將部分原屬於地方的自治事項回歸地方尤其受獲的一個獲配的一個統籌分配稅款辦理並保障縣市政府115年度統籌分配稅加一般性補助款和計劃型補助款 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2950.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2963.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
加總不低於114年度那115年度中央總預算附屬單位預算的內容主要是1 營業基金總收入3兆5023億元營業總支出3兆2973億元收支相抵後稅後經歷2050億元比去年增加1482億元增加568億元約約 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2978.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2983.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
約增38.3%英裕繳庫2,201比114年2,218億元減少17億元約0.8%那第三固定資產投資4,125億元比114年4,121億元增加4億元增加約0.1%主要是台灣機場配合工程進度增加支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3004.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3011.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那會議營業特種基金業務總收入3,8235億元業務總支出是3,7791億元收支相抵後剩餘444億元比114年542億元減少98億元約18.1那剩餘繳酷122億元比 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
3027.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3030.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
114年57億元增加65億元約增加114.4那固定資產投資1815億元比114年度1807億元增加8億元約增加0.4% |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
3043.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3065.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
以上115年度中央總預算案並同特別預算案通盤考量後整體稅入稅出差短是4050億元比114年度相同基礎增加611億元差短加進債務還本和已有以前年度剩餘之後呢上去舉債4087億元在債務未償餘額方面115年度累計債務未償餘額6兆8631億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
3073.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3101.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
約佔前三年明目國內生產毛額26.4%顯示政府在受到財政收支劃分法修正影響稅務大幅減少的情況下仍努力推動國家發展持續強化整體債務控管維護財政機率以上報告敬請各位委員女士先生鼎力支持使得政府各項施政能夠順利推動祝福大家健康快樂萬事如意謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3102.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3108.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
好 謝謝陳主席長的報告接下來請財政部莊部長報告韓院長 江副院長 各位委員先進 大家早為了使政務順利推動本部積極籌措115年度的莊政府總預算案的裁員並審慎控管債務 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
3132.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3138.102 |
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那麼說明如下在財運的籌措部分115年度我們的稅務預算案的編列是2,8623億元比114年度的預算數減少了3,027億元負成長9.6% |
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其中在稅客收入編列了2兆4807億元比114年度的預算數減少3038億元是負成長10.9%主要是我們審酌了各個稅務的特性稅制的調整還有近年的時針情形並且考量了國際經濟情勢以及國際經貿政策等因素估算後再依修正後的財化法中央與地方的分配比例計算所得 |
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由於修正後的《財化法》115年度分配給地方政府的中央統籌分配稅款的規模大幅增加使中央的稅客收入減少其中僅營業稅一項分配給中央的就減少了3,534億元 |
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在非赛克收入的部分我们编列了3816亿元比114年度的预算数增加10亿元成长0.3%那么营业盈余及事业收入其实编列的是2580亿元比114年度的预算数增加16亿元成长0.6%其中国华基金增加缴库数100亿元而台湾烟酒公司的盈余以及国军的升幅基金铁道发展基金 |
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怎麼減少了腳褲數以及本部主管的投資事業和中鋼公司減少了股息及現金鼓勵的腳褲那麼增減富底所致至於財產收入呢編列了280億元比114年度減少18億元副成長0.6%主要是副成長6.1% |
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主要是本部剪列了土地作價收入所致那麼在規費跟罰賠款及其他收入的部分編列了956億元比114年度的預算數增加12億元成長1.3%主要是交通部司法院以及經濟部的規費收入增加所致那麼第二部分是融資裁員115年度中央政府總預算案的稅入稅出差短1727億元 |
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加上要支應債務還本1265億元所以融資的需求是2992億元我們規劃全數以舉債來支應 |
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接下來報告是債務的控管部分在債務存量的部分並計總預算案及各個特別預算115年度的債務舉借數是4,087億元預估115年底債務未償餘額是6,8631億元佔前三年度明目GDP平均數為26.4% |
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低於公債法所定的債務存量上限40.6%而且比114年底的債務比例預算數是減少了一個百分點那麼在債務流量的部分115年度的債務流量我們戰機海空丹納斯以及強化韌性還有馬太安西等特別條例都排除了公債法 |
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單一年度債務流量的管控所以115年度法定債務流量的比率依照總預算案舉借數佔總預算案稅數來計算比例是為9.9%在公債法流量比率上限的15%的範圍內那麼至於戰機海空丹納斯強化韌性及馬太安溪等特別條例也都有規定施行期間的 |
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舉債額度合計數是不可以超過該期間稅出總額合計數的15%那麼經過計算到115年度各個特別預算的舉債都符合施行期間的債務流量的規定那麼為了支援各項政策的推動本部勉勵籌措115年度的中央政府總預算案稅入裁員但是依據新制的裁划法規定中央政府大幅增加釋出稅款使 |
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中央的稅客收入負成長10.9%至整體的稅率是負成長9.6%為2,8623億元由於目前面臨中東戰勢以及國際經貿政策變動以及氣候變遷造成的天然災害增添了經濟情勢的不確定性 |
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那麼都會影響到115年度稅客收入的徵收情形以及稅務的整體執行後續本部會會同各機關開源節流努力達成預算目標並克遵預算法財政紀律法及公債法等規定審慎控管整體稅務稅出差短以及債務的比喻兼顧政務的推動及財政的穩健以上報告敬請各位委員會議指教鼎力致詞謝謝好謝謝莊部長的報告 |
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現在進行委員質詢每位委員尋答時間不得超過15分鐘輪到質詢委員如不在場,視為棄權現在請張志倫委員質詢好,謝謝主席各位委員、各位官員大家早有請我們行政院總統派院長 |
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我們左院長備詢 |
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商務員好院長好今天是我們行政院115年中央政府總預算的報告那很開心今天可以看到我們院長上台首先我也要謝謝不管是我們的韓國瑜院長或我們江啟臣副院長在 |
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這個預算案卡關以後來努力來進行朝野協商讓朝野的僵局有機會破冰那也讓未來我們的總預算有機會復違那這邊首先也要跟院長報告其實在野黨其實也以民生為念也把這個新興計畫裡面的781億的新興計畫也主動來通過就是希望說朝野之間的紛爭可以來化解 |
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那可是也要跟院長報告國家各項的政策推動是非常重要可是立法院三讀通過的法律案也非常重要所以關於我們在野黨所關心的軍人待遇條例以及警察人事條例這兩個條例我希望我們在野誠意十足可是中央不要溝通不足我現在看到這個 |
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今天的專案報告裡面的內容還是說在半年內會跟草野在野黨來進行溝通那本席想問這個第一個到底現在行政院未來這個就針對我們軍人加薪跟這個警察人士條例你們修法的現在的未來的考量是什麼可不可以簡單說明一下 |
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當然通過這兩項的修正案我們第一個認為雖然是法律案但實質上是增加了政府的財政支出所以這跟預算案憲法的精神都不相符合因此我們在基於國家財政紀律以及對憲政遵守的情況底下我們提出了釋憲 |
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那事件之後我們已經說過很多次事件之後如果是合憲我們就追加而且追溯到今年1月要開始那如果是違憲那當然就不能變這沒有問題 |
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但如果像這一次在大院這個朝野協商的過程當中是希望行政院在總預算復違之後的半年提出一套可行的針對這兩項以及軍公教整個待遇的一個調整一個想法那我們是可以來這樣做的因為政府過去到現在對軍公教的這個福利待遇從來不會不予考量而且非常重視剛剛在裡面報告過了 |
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光是去年這一年賴總統五項對軍人的佳績146億不能說是不多但是應該還有更可以加強的地方我們就從這個空間來把它找出來既符合大院的期待委員的期待也更符合對國軍的照顧更注重到國家的財政紀律也符合憲政的精神我們來討論出一套可行的方法但院長你們現在行政院有跟相關部會討論有相關的這個辦法出來了嗎 |
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很感謝我們有六個月的時間但是我跟大院來我們一起來溝通我們希望能夠在總預算案盡速復為審查之後我們衡量整個國家未來的財政狀況我們從各種方面我們寬裂的方式來討論到未來軍公教人員的各種待遇我們緊迫的來做這樣的工作這邊本席要提醒院長 |
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因為在野黨我們所有的想法就是說要保護所有軍人跟我們公教人員不只是限職的退休的人員都要保護所以我希望說行政院推行的未來的方針的時候不能只有說不管是限職或是退休人員的這個照顧都一定要照顧到那接下來我也要再請教院長的事 |
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那很多這個公教人員說那因為我們這個警察跟警察跟軍人的我們通過是在113年底通過的可是我們在114年底我們也有通過一個軍公教人員退休金停侃的這個問題那我是不是也請教這個我們主計長這個預算有沒有編列在116年的預算 |
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如果我們細細的來分這兩個修正草案一個是113年通過的法律案一個是114年通過的法律案有它在時間上內容上競合跟衝突之處 |
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會不會說這個114年我們通過的公教人員停侃退休金的這個還是沒有編列變成說全部又要再像今年這樣子又要大家朝野要有意見我們是不是請主席講有沒有編列也跟委員報告一下116年度籌編還沒開始現在正才開始進行會編列嗎 |
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這個編列的部分還是要看整個一個我們將來跟所有相關的公務人員去討論它整個一個橫平性所以這個部分就是要看將來那個整個確定之後軍公教包括我們公務人員一起做通盤的一個考量 |
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所以主席長的意思是不是說包含113年我們所修的軍人加薪跟我們警察人員人事條例以及114年底通過的所有年金填砍的都會在116年的預算整體來討論整體來編列是這樣子嗎不是我目前正在研議當中但是是怎麼編列都一直還沒有定案是這樣子 |
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當然不管是韓院長或者是我們江副院長的協商是沒有提到這個還沒有提到這個軍公教約是114年通過的法律案所以我希望說如果可以的話就整體一起來討論那當然我也不希望說這樣就破壞 |
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朝野和諧的結論請主計長跟院長這邊因為我相信這三個案都是對所有我們所有的公務人員不管現職跟退休的福利跟照顧所以希望說本席希望說可以一起來討論可以嗎 |
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就已經生效的法案我們會當作但是如果是沒有生效的法案以及在事件當中的我們會擷取他的精神來看看如何在未來在國家財政的紀律跟永續情況底下我們如何擴大來照顧各種國家的軍公教人員這個我們會跟大約一起來協商我覺得我們已經建立的是好的開始就要有好的發展 |
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好 那最後我們期待一個更優的結果好 所以謝謝院長在大院做出承諾說會大家一起來討論吧所有這些憲政大家朝野有意見的部分大家一起共同來討論好 謝謝第二個我要來請教其實上次在這個質詢的時候也請教過院長 |
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針對行政院經貿辦公室這個嚴父總代表有關於霸凌案其實現在已經過了三個禮拜可是本席比較擔心的是目前調查小組的進度本席是感覺到非常的緩慢聽說現在還是在這個停留在問卷的階段本席是想要說 |
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現在行政院的回覆是說還要兩個月的調查的時間這是法定期間我瞭解這是法定最長的期間可是針對過去不管教育部前次長的這個台大性平安或是勞動部 |
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這個謝玉榮無性公務人員這個上升的這個事件只要兩個禮拜就已經提出初步報告所以我本席是不是在這邊也要為我們廣大的公務人員因為本席等一下還會跟你講還有非常多的霸凌案澄清到本席這邊是不是政府單位可以展現態度不是說尤其現在社會矚目的霸凌案是不是應該加速來調查而不是用法定期間最長的兩個月不然以後公務人員 |
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他們在職場被霸凌的時候他們看到政府單位都持續長的法定時間來看是不是有機會加速來調查進度人事長應該了解我先為委員報告這件事情我們特別特別的慎重所以我們唯一請是四位外部的委員 |
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所以我們要尊重外部委員他們也開了四次以上的會議問卷也回收了那我希望給他們更多的時間因為這件比過去不一樣是這件當事人他不幸已經往生對當事人是沒有辦法詢問必須從周遭環境過去過去就本席了解跟院長報告過去是重大霸凌案的調查情形才要再到兩個月所以你認為這是重大霸凌案嗎 |
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我說當事人不去往生我們很遺憾沒有辦法能夠詢問他當事人所以我們必須從周遭的同事工作的環境時間的這個落差等等那至於現在進行的進度如何人事長最清楚那我希望說我們能夠盡快來解答一下好不好我跟委員報告目前文件都回收現在有四位外聘的委員他們針對文件內容在密集開會討論因為這個案件坦白講 |
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行政院一直用最嚴謹的態度在處理所以希望給我們適合的時間因為就是院長所提的兩個月法定時間我們會盡量在這個法定時間裡面把整個調查報告的一個初稿情況來呈現出來 |
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好 謝謝那本席也要說也要拜託院長其實我發現行政單位還是有非常多現在一直在產生的霸凌案比如說本席就有收到這個速發部所補助的致測會也有相關的霸凌案現在這個受害的這個同仁就有自殘的情形那他連當事人到現在都不敢出面把這個他被受霸凌的事實 |
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給本席 所以本席也愛莫難助所以我們拜託還是請院長這邊行政單位還是要一套整體的就是防止公務機關有霸凌的這樣的事情謝謝委員 因為極端重視霸凌事件是否存在那我們也會嚴謹的態度也請求委員如果有手上的這些案例 儘快把它提出來我們儘快的減少它存在的時間跟事實那做有效的處置 這拜託委員好 謝謝院長 好 謝謝我們 |
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好再來我也要在這邊再拜託院長就是說現在我們政府總預算即將復違可是我們還有非常多的人事案我本期認為是有缺乏積極度跟財政機率本期張次也在這邊請教過你不管是中選會NCC這麼重要的職位其實面臨著長期的這個 |
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很多中選會的委員人的空缺那本席是不是要拜託你針對中選會NCC的人事權同意案請問行政院當然中選會現在目前來講目前是四個人立法院通過世襲那在中選會通過重大決議的時候要9到12人所以是不是院長這邊什麼時候把他們給這個任命 |
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那什麼時候還要再補提名是不是可以請院長在這邊說明一下因為總預算就要附委不可能讓這些代理的這個主委或者是主委來接受備詢吧請院長回答我很感謝委員 |
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能夠在這裡說出中選會的組織他必須有9到11人重大決策的時候是那他這個9到11他的基本的設置的標準那我們現在4位再加上現在的通過的4位也不過8位還是有瑕疵所以我一直期待我跟韓院長還有我透過民進黨黨團執政黨黨團也跟在野黨黨團提說我們是不是可以必須也必須啦把其他還有3位的名額一併的送出來 |
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那這個我們一直在努力過程當中那有沒有預計什麼時候會提出因為已經總預算要付為了總不可能請代理主委來備詢吧是 我們會努力啊 盡快來提出是不是一個月以內有沒有機會不要那麼久不用那麼久嗎不用那麼久一個月以內提出這個未來不管NCC中選會的人士因為這個我們還要經過一些我要貿然的提出 萬一 |
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又沒有辦法緊縮的排入那對現在拜託來擔任這個被提名人的被同意人的這三位又非常的難以跟他們開口所以這個部分還要經過一些溝通那我認為這個溝通在今天總預算這樣的方式之下溝通是良性的好 謝謝大家 謝謝院長也表示說一個月之內進行協商溝通提出人選好 那最後我是不是時間暫停一下我請財政部部長請莊部長 |
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好 謝謝院長財政部莊部長那去年我記得在大家朝野和諧的狀況下我們有普發現金一萬元那當時行政院其實後來也樂觀其成在我們所有這個民眾的存摺上面普發現金都有一個備註就是說普發現金是行政院發放 |
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那最近我們可以看到這個台灣因為AI產業鏈還有我們的科技業蓬勃發展所以政府不管是我們的稅收數字應該都創新高不管是政府因為AI產業鏈我們的很多上市貴公司營業額上升以及我們現在股市最近新聞也產生出也報告出每一個每天的每日的台股交易量 |
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突破9000億的這個交易量所以我想請教財政部部長是不是最近這幾個月我們的稅收是成長非常的多更委員報告最近的一到三月的稅收全國數是6555億元但是因為財化法修正以後地方所獲配的稅款包含地方稅跟中央統籌分配稅款他是倍增的 |
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成長百分之一百一十所以我們代理黨也有提出來是不是說未來有機會超收稅收的部分可以來普發現金或是用什麼樣的方法是不是請部長回答但是到目前為止一到三月中央的稅客收入是增速比去年同期是減少353億元是目前來說 |
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好謝謝張委員謝謝卓院長下一位我們請劉淑斌委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 那有請卓院長卓院長請備詢議員好卓院長好那現在在質詢之前想要先請教你一個問題淨零碳排是行政院重要的政策跟國際責任嗎 |
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當然全世界都在追求一個更乾淨的地球這當然是國際社會共同的責任那行政院這個也是國家的政策所以我們推動二次能源轉型其中最大的問題在這裡我們繼續看下去 |
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在溫管法跟氣候變遷因應法都陸續上路之後政府在推動的淨零碳排這邊超過10年了年年都變預算了我們現在看到這個表現當然中中空看到是說2005年的碳排達到最高的量值之後到2023年的碳值就減少有減少沒有錯但是4%而已 |
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那化石矽能源能就是我國的再發電再過八成多其中燃煤是最重要的二氧化碳來源那我們繼續看這個結果看到的是說在根據2025年的歐洲能源智庫AMBER |
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全球電力評估顯示當中所看到的是在潔淨能源的部分看到全球是到了40.8%台灣看到的是15.1%非常的多不只是低於全球比我們鄰國的部分中國、日本、韓國都還要低當然想要詢問的是卓院長這個在淨零碳排的成果這部分到底是什麼原因讓我們這樣子的一個非碳電力的發展會低於全球 |
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謝謝委員的提醒台灣因為我們各種產業的快速的發展需要的電力必須要充裕而且這個是我們對產業共同的責任也是世界上期待台灣有一個安全穩定的能源供應才能讓產業持續不斷的來推升 |
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我們過去這10年我們在綠能的發展上面已經比10年之前的那8年多很多了部長請你看看這邊的國際間歐洲的部分聚碳能源裡面看到第一項是什麼核能啊我們當然也很高興看到是說今年的3月20號 |
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賴總統已經說了叫核二核三具備重啟的條件這部分走到正確的路上是真的我當然就想要問他說什麼時候才能夠趕上全球平均的40.8的一個綠電的占比 |
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我跟委員稍微調整一下我們是核三廠是進入到重啟的程序而不是已經具備重啟的條件這條件還要經過很多的程序是進入到重啟準備重啟的這個程序這個是部分必須叫委員來做澄清對 但是我 |
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院長請你回答我說什麼時候我們尤其是經濟部部長在這邊還有環境部部長在這邊他主管的是淨零碳排的部分那最主要是說什麼時候我們能達到跟全球的平均水準40.8的比例啊這才重要請你回答 |
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報告委員其實最重要的是有沒有減碳我們台灣過去這5年當中每年減2-3%我們預計在去年應該可以減到9%左右這個都是符合我們預期的一個目標那委員提到這個所謂的能源的一個占比我們還是要用到底減碳減了多少還有我們實際上的電力排代係數來看這個事情會比較公平這就是你的資料沒有辦法跟國際接軌 |
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如果這樣的話請你就必須要配合是說那歐洲能源智庫這邊所提出來的部分他都是全世界在用的是用一次的標準去看大的全球跟我們的東亞的國家這就是沒有比人家吵報言你們可以當然你跟日本韓國比你也可以跟新加坡比新加坡95%都是化石燃料你們要比爛的嗎不是爛的新加坡沒有爛所以我們基本上希望可以趕快走到淨零碳排這條路時間上面還不行就對了時間上面就是還沒有辦法承諾 |
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我們當然我們訂了2030、2035年的一個目標目前的這個進度也都在這個軌道上面進行那每個國家的樣態不一樣因為每個國家他的天然資源各種條件不一樣我們不能一個國家跟另外一個國家相比最大部分是不是像剛剛卓院長說的也是戴總統所說的當他如果核三的部分具備了經過一個安全的檢查之後具備的核安 |
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具備了安全的條件之後就可以重啟就像符合到這樣的一個標準是不是有這個印象那兩個如果重啟的話也只不過占不到10%左右所以委員當然知道但是有幫助這個不管我們大家盡量都要減是這個目標對吧 |
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這只是選項之一,我們希望多元化,綠能還是為主選項之一就是一個可以採取的那我們繼續往下看,回來別的問題另外在淨零的轉型當中很重要的是在它的一個儲電系統尤其是在太陽能的部分 |
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中午的時候非常的多的電但是它最重要是要讓儲能的系統能夠趕得上台得到效果尤其是還有分散性的電瓦的重點那我們現在看到的是以預算中心所提到的報告是說到114年的在發電端的它的達成目標的這個情形在儲能系統上面發電端它應該達到200的千瓦但是到114年7月的時候只達到60.08千瓦那就換說說這個裡面 |
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太陽能中午的時候非常多的時候還造成了非常不只是除電沒有達達達成還造成說它的電網會不夠啊那這邊的情況之下短期能不能能夠達到多電網的穩定性呢包委我們現在葉金鋒的這個 |
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備轉容量力基本上都是應該維持在百分之七、百分之八現在目前為止都可以維持在這樣主要當然但是電網的不穩定電網韌性不是行政院最大的成立要這麼做嗎白天的時候基本上都會超過百分之十幾就像您講因為太陽能光電發揮很好的效用不是但是問題是充電這部分夜間風的時候我們就有其他的能源可以來替代包括這個水力發電它有這個 |
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這個日月潭的這個等等一些情況那另外當然那時候天然氣我們也會好那我們如果繼續往下看因為我們的預算中心已經提出來的這個報告當中已經呈現出來了在去年四七月的時候看到的是這些沒有辦法達到的 |
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目標的原因最重要是可以看到是因為業者的量能不足有六家是業者的量能不足然後還涉及兩家是涉及到徵送跟爭議的部分少是他設置暫緩請問一下這邊是表示說我們的經濟部還包括台電它裡面的因為工程的配合不良而導致的這種的儲能系統的暴露的這個有問題工程的內部的管控有那個問題 |
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報告委員因為太陽光電的部分事實上也感謝行政院現在我們跨部會都有一個平台在做一些處理那包括他在實行的過程當中或跟農業部有一些討論那一步一步的我們可不可以把他解決沒有 你在針對這幾個問題因為台電這邊看起來是說他在審查的過程當中是選擇這個管控的能力事實上是有問題才會出現這麼大量的一個部分十三案裡面有八案是這樣子的一個情形 |
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是不是在加強這樣的管控能力啊可以可以可以因為每一個案子事實上他面對的問題有時候不太一樣有時候是他比如說是漁電工生的一些案場有一些是其他的原因的案場那我們主案來做一些協定那這部分是不是可以給本席這樣的一個報告因為你們這件部分我想要給審計部要做一個歷史的出去了 |
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可以可以好謝謝那我們繼續再往下看另外的部分也是在氣候變遷當中的一個非常重要的議題就是所謂的調適那我們看到的是說全球裡面有76個國家在做這樣的一個調適計畫都非常的重要提出資金需求然後也有這個追蹤的效益等等的 |
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但是我們看到的是台灣的部分其實也做得不錯可以看到從102年就開始進行這個氣候調適的變遷的調適計畫114年的時候總共投入大概6255.35億那115年的時候還提供了就是預算裡面有470.69億這看起來是好事但是我們可以看到這裡面大家可以看到是它這個三期計畫當中尤其是中間那一期從107年到111年的時候 |
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並沒有提出它裡面的整個經費的內容是什麼這是很奇怪,那當然就不會有目標啦然後現在以今年這個第三期來講109年到112年我們可以看到的不是110是112年到115年的情況的時候我們看到裡面呢它裡面呢就有的情況是它並沒有呢把它那個這個資金上面的並沒有去把 |
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這樣的他的經驗內部的項目都能很清楚尤其是我們知道這些調試的經費當中包括是在國土的這個部分還有包括抗水災的部分這些裡面看到包括的是都被預算中心提出來是在這個外產頂中的部分都沒有提出他的這個他裡面的實際項目的內容等等的不是完整的比如說有十項裡面缺了大概六七項這樣的內容 |
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這部分我想問的是說如何評估當他沒有提出來這個調適資金的這樣的就是調適資金已經有缺口了而且當初呢他裡面的成本效益跟目標當中並沒有列清楚那怎麼去落實啊這個470.69億是不是變成說是都到海裡面去啊只是一個空口的支票而已啊 |
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報告委員,其實這個調適全世界都一樣面臨到一個很大資金的缺口因為這個調適屬於長期的可能要四五十年就像是一個癌症一樣現在很多人不會對於現在的癌症會馬上就有一些處理的但是我會對感冒、災害馬上很有感 |
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所以目前全世界的確對調試都承認有一個很大的缺口我們台灣也不例外我們過去的確這個調試有一定的費用但是有沒有精準的到位我們現在正在檢討當中我們希望在下一期也就是說明年開始這一期我們有一個更好的一個做法但是也跟委員坦承所有的調試都是一個長期的所有的政治人物的任期都遠比這個調試來得短很多所以這個其實要真的落實下來是一個很大的問題 |
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好那彭部長因為你本身來自業界你對於氣候變遷的議題是非常重視的是不是這部分的包括是我剛剛所說的這些包括他的目標跟那個包括是在評估的指標當中是不是能更清楚的已經有六書六本要把它補上是我們已經有了但是也請委員就是說這個議題是一個長期的議題你必須給我們更多的一個支持而不是說 |
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我只是在說這部分要補上,不然我們到時候要去檢核他的成本效益的時候根本沒辦法做目前全世界對於這個成本效益,資金都坦承都是不夠的需要更多,但是我們國家或是有需要更優先的一個項目所以的確在很多的國家都排在很後面,我們希望可以再提高好,那就繼續再努力,希望剛剛說的這個成果就是他的一些指標當中能夠把目的都要補上來好,那現在我們繼續再看第四個部分 |
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就是在另外我們看到的是在部分的機關的沒宣費用就是創了一個新高5年最高在預算中心提出來的24.13億這麼高的部分大家問說他到底是什麼為什麼要變得這麼高而且裡面我們看到的是其中至少有12個機關是超過5000億 |
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那他報章中還包括這個比例當然如果院長你可以看的時候還有人是包括超過這個比例是超過好幾百億的這個比例好幾百%的成長率那是不是也請院長說明一下他甚至還包括裡面的他也缺乏這個目標值這邊請院長是不是可以說明一下為什麼會變成這樣的一個情況而且是不是變成圖利到有些的媒體去這是我們很懷疑的部分 |
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委員 我請委員支持當政府的各項的政務推動的更多我們必須要跟人民做更清楚的說明才會讓整個政策它產生的扶國立民政策讓每個國人都能夠享受到那我們也推動了很多比方在談判的過程以及這次中東的情勢當中我們對產業做了很多的支持的策略我們也必須強化對產業的說明否則這個都是政策出來沒有落實是沒有用的 |
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另外我們現在媒體的生態委員也是清楚的一件事情我們必須要強而有力的一而再再而三的充分的說是養媒體的嫌疑養媒體的嫌疑是養媒體澄清一而再再而三的去澄清可是打仗的效果事實上還不太夠 |
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打詐我們會在打詐的過程當中因為有法律的強硬支持我們現在有更新的這些平台在處理我現在重點是這些評估指標都缺乏跟實際的效果連接在一起這部分是院長要去行政院要檢討的如果委員是這樣的觀點我們從這個地方來檢討如果強化讓每一筆錢都能發揮效果而不是把錢都刪掉了讓政府沒有 |
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防衛或是出擊的能力那對各項政府的推動是非常困難的那這個指標是不是要我們未來鎖制像各部會去鎖制的時候這邊是不是能夠具體給本席或是我們民眾黨團這些包括指標的這部分因為這是很重要的啊任何我們國會的委員們循正式的管道來鎖制行政院當然要遵守行政院對立法院負責的意願 |
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好謝謝院長做這個承諾那我們最後看到一個非常重要的我來自教育界我們看到啦去年年底的時候啊世新的傳播學院的院長啊他提到了就是家銘先生說國將衰啊先見其師這裡面在出現的是教師在寧靜革命啊在校室內做一個文明的政變啊因為即使我們有非常多合格教師但是就是有非常多教師他不願意進到校室 |
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在場域教室裡面去尤其看到最重要的數據是怎麼樣我們的高中教師的薪資事實上照這個情況只有18000美元可是其他的部分台灣需要30年才趕上OECD的水準工時我們是平均超過50小時其他的國家都40多個小時等等的這一部分低工時高薪資 |
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低薪資高工時就照著教師荒這部分那想請問一下預計再透過這次的預算到底怎麼樣去調整教師的薪資待遇或是過去還曾經以主計處還以說因為軍工教的待遇是一起的所以沒辦法去進行的是一起去調整但是教師作為國本沒有優秀的其實我們台積電這些人才所以在這邊是不是請院長在這邊給我們全國教師一個非常嚴正的聲明說 |
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行政院絕對會去支持教師有合理的待遇,事實上應該要提升掉,不然的話甚至都跑到業界去了我們沒有教師怎麼辦呢?當然軍公教我們會在橫貧公平的原則底下,全面來檢討教師我們提高他的導師費,他的這個行政...好謝謝劉委員,謝謝卓院長 |
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接下來請吳斯亞委員質詢謝謝主席,有請卓院長請卓院長備選 |
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吳委員好好 卓院長還有所有內閣的同仁大家辛苦了憲法六十三條明定立法委員的職責就是一決法律案第二項就是預算案 |
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那非常遺憾今天的這場質詢應當是在去年的9月就要能夠來進行對話因為要審查今年的總預算在拖延了235天之後終於復為所以去年9月的工作立法院拖到今年4月底了 |
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不過還好我的準備都依舊是非常扣合的主題喔但是我希望總預算之亂不要再重蹈覆轍了我們也複習一下114年總預算那個時候立法院也因為禁法補償的議題拖了70天那今年是變本加厲拖了235天那現在立法院就在趕進度 |
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那依據今天能夠赴委是非常重要上週的一場朝野協商由民進黨黨團總召蔡啟昌總召提出來的解方針對軍人跟警消的加薪其實是政府的現在進行式我們也希望能夠合憲合法所以協商的結論是兩院同意 |
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共推修法也就是立法委員不會片面的用修法去增加政府預算支支出會捍衛財政紀律由行政立法共同磋商這是第一件事是不是半年內就會來啟動好是謝謝委員依照憲法跟預算法的精神 |
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立法委員是沒有辦法增加預算但是如果大幅增加政府的支出必須要徵詢行政院並且尋求他的資金來源這個都必須是法律憲法的程序過去若干案子若干法律案是沒有這樣做的所以行政院無法在違法的情況下做那麼如果這次朝野協商建立這樣的前提跟共識那未來就是兩院來就應該要編列的預算 |
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由立法院可以提出建議行政院衡量國家的財政紀律跟永續而且衡量各個公平性和民性我們當然會由照顧人民來著手所以我們樂見撥亂反正未來立法院也不要再重蹈覆轍那這個修法我剛剛聽你的報告應當半年內我們加速來啟動好嗎擴大照顧警校跟軍人的加薪合理的該加就加是 |
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第二個朝野協商是針對718億的新興預算的這一包那民進黨團提出來的解方就是立法院必須承諾在審查預算的時候不得刪減否則就會陷入我們這些行政部門的同仁我一旦動之了最後預算被刪了他有法律責任也有政治責任所以這一點 |
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包括第三點中選會的人事同意權行政院是不是會盡速的補提名針對這兩項那天朝野協商的後續也請院長快速的跟國人來示意 |
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好 謝謝對於新興預算718億行政院著腳的表示只要預算付尾他就進入到實質審查那從今天衝出來這個部分行政院就會馬上處理所以今天就會馬上處理這個718億動之今天就開始很好好消息我們就會處理這個事情好消息所有中央地方的這個公務體系都能夠如續的應用那麼 |
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剛剛吳委員又提到了中選會這也是繼剛剛張委員之後兩位委員同時提到這個部分那可見這是朝野都希望讓中選會能夠順利的來進行那我也可以承諾我們會在今天處理今天也就會進行我們會送出三位名單也同時任命大約已經通過同意權的那四位我想院長的宣誓是 |
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釋出了非常高度的誠意跟善意我也希望台灣的社會我們朝野都聽見了今天總預算可以付尾預算就是民生不要再拿任何的政治的議題來卡住民生而院長所承諾的中選會的人事同意權今天就會送出還有我們的718億的新興急迫預算今天開始讓各部會大膽的去致用照顧人民很好這是good news |
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我們就把這樣的正確訊息向社會來公布那下一頁再一項拜託是希望韓院長、江副院長跟朝委各黨團能夠緊速排定另外三位新的被提名人來這裡的同意權讓中選會11名委員能夠很正常的來運作那年底的選舉快到了很多的選務讓他 |
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進入就緒今天主持的是江副院長希望立法院能夠也依循我們的審查的權限政院補提名立法院就嚴謹合理加速來審查我相信副院長也聽見了 |
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那我來扣合的民生的另外一個議題其實也跟預算相關中東的戰火造成國際的油價不斷的來飆升穩定物價我看見行政院不斷的召集會議跨部會的對話也提出對策那政府出手了 |
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讓我們的油價其實是亞鄰國家亞洲鄰近國家的最低價就是我們照顧人民不會有物價的波動而中油也補貼破了114億是為了讓油價能夠動漲不要造成大家的民生負擔 |
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那我看到交通部長也站上來了我們的大眾運輸也是還漲所以說您大力的用我們的公務部門在海陸空運的用油補貼是不是也破了80多億所以說呢這些公共運輸我們都做對於油價的動漲我們也都進行那我要請教院長我們基於選區非常多的基層非常多的多元計程車的問獎 |
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也在問畢竟油價就是上上下下即便政府努力的來動漲那是不是也能夠進行對於多元計程車不管不管是傳統的小黃或者是uber這些也來進行必要的油價的補貼呢行政院有沒有演繹 |
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三樣事情跟委員報告 第二 中油他確實吸收了亞林最低價以及專案平穩的這個雙重的平緩機制 吸收了110多億另外台電也吸收了 台電吸收的是LNG |
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加價之後中油並沒有吸收是由台電吸收台電的電費也沒有漲所以LNG增加的費用是台電吸收了但是大眾運輸現在我們回頭來看大眾運輸 |
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現在的油價是遠比2月28號高蠻多的所以現在的油價對這些大眾運輸不管是客運業者或是計程業者來講都是一個相當大的負擔那交通部很體恤到這個業者的需求正在研議如何就中油跟台電之外這種大眾運輸能夠系統性的來規劃那這個部分部長已經有清楚的這個構想我們也討論過幾次我們還要再進一步讓它成熟 |
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好 這大眾運輸 那這些計程車的部分呢 |
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多元計程車也會納入嘛也會納入該補貼就補貼來部長檢要像委員報告因為我們公共運輸的系統影響到一般民眾的日常所以我們希望在這個部分不要去影響到一般民眾日常的支出所以我們希望所有的公共運輸系統都能夠在不漲價的狀況底下讓所有的國民來享用那公共運輸就包含了公路運輸船舶運輸還有國內的航空運輸 |
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那當然計程車跟多元計程車這個絕對也是公共運輸的一環那在我們整體的考量裡面我們會全盤一起來討論我希望我替小黃計程車對多元計程車來發聲也希望能夠爭取到必要的補償政府能做我們盡量做當然我知道預算很辛苦 |
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也希望今年的中油預算台電預算交通部的預算在野黨的委員看到我們吸收了這麼多因為戰事而衍生的費用希望在預算上應當給予台電中油交通部門最多的支持好嗎那接下來是勞動議題 |
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勞退新制21年了其實當年上路的勞退新制民進黨永遠走在最前面它成為個人賬戶制可稀釋而且可以享有投資的效益那還是有11萬人我台北市佔了4萬人百分之將近40 |
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那分布在製造業金融保險業跟公共行政國防等的重點行業有11萬純救治的勞工他享受不到新制的好處他長期處於不利的地位所以說我們民進黨的多位立委共同的倡議包括保釋政策會執行長我們共同來推動純救治勞工的退休權益的改革確保了勞方的權益 |
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也兼顧了資方的需求所以吳斯堯的要求下頁也是民進黨團的要求趕快來推動勞退新制就轉新自願參與尊重勞工個人的選擇權 |
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勞僱合一可以確保制度的運作可行性以及呢重點就在能夠提前結算一次入賬讓過去累積的退休權益轉化為新制可攜帶可累積可投資而且有保障關於這一點是不是勞動部門能夠不需要修法嗎可以直接啟動請宣示一下這也是今天的good good news |
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跟委員報告勞動部其實有聽到很多的救治的勞工還有委員們的建議那也就是大家希望說是不是能夠讓救治的勞工可以在這個新制的帳戶裡面然後能夠有一個專戶那把自己過去在救治的退休金能夠放到這個政府可以來協助執行這個基金投資的這個成果可以一起享有這個成果 |
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那我們在近期初步的評估我們認為這是有可行性的那這個做法我們的確認為可能可以讓超過10萬符合這個退休條件的對 超過10萬符合退休條件的就職勞工可以來增加退休金所以勞工部願意在這個方向上來去做方案的研議 |
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好那就加速好嗎行政部門全力來支持我們對於勞工的權益不要因為制度的銜接而遺落了一批人因為這個方向有機會可以是這個包括雇主包括勞工都可以獲益好就是多盈好謝謝部長也請政院來支持最後還是回到總預算的課題 |
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總預算砍過頭114年省最亂 山最多 凍最嚴那時候我是黨團幹事長我在表決的那個晚上一再的舉牌告訴國人現在有哪些預算又被報復性的刪減了 |
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今天才剛復尾看到藍白的黨團他們同樣又來了又要報復性的審查了針對NCC監察院陸委會沒宣費同樣的手法也就是114年的總預算之亂今年好像會持續再上演我真的不樂見報復預算就是報復人民那我們來看 |
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上一次就是砍過頭過去平均馬蔡執政16年每年均刪247億平均刪減的比例是1.189% |
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但是114年藍白聯手刪了2075億比例是6.6也就是過去的5.6倍最後院長應該還記得我今天在前情提要最後還用追加預算立法院砍過頭了然後再來弄一個追加預算來撥破房我希望今年不要但是有兩個課題我們要清楚的來釐清第一個預算 |
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史上新高是因為我們拼經濟有成啊是因為我們能夠把經濟發展的紅利編入預算照顧更多的人民啊可是在野黨一再的說總預算編這麼高砍最多就是合理這就是懲罰優等生不是嗎 |
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所以說我看到一一四年確實因為經濟發展很好我們歲數增加了百分之九點八兩千八百多億但是一一五年就是現在要省的因為財化法被搬走了三千七百五十三億我們只勉強還能夠正向的增加歲數兩百八十一億 |
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成長只有0.9但我要向在野黨的委員說不是因為預算規模高就要砍的多這完全是謬論我們來看下一頁我們來看看地方議會因為中央拼經濟有成預算規模大我們連帶照顧地方給地方的預算也更多了我們看看六都115年也都是史上新高的預算因為中央給的多再加上才化法 |
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但是地方縣市的議會不管是藍綠誰多數大家都還是合理監督啊我們看台北蔣安市長去年今年預算審查只被刪了0.1% |
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新北山的0.24%高雄也是0.1%換言之 預算最高並非就要刪減最多我希望藍白的委員不要再重蹈覆轍最後一頁而才化法是重中之重 |
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今年因為被搬了這麼多錢將近4000億是不是在編來年的預算陷入了困難呢財化法還是要審查我希望今天附委的不是直接總預算啊還有政院的財化法能夠撥亂反正啊院長您最後回應一下好嗎在去年國家8.68的高經濟成長率以及現在我們股市達到4兆美元的一個市場產值中華民國的國民台灣的人民有資格也有條件也有權利 |
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好,謝謝吳委員,謝謝左院長,下一位請王洪威委員執行 |
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好謝謝主席因為我接下來會問幾個民眾非常關心的案子那為了節省時間那問到相關的議題的時候再麻煩相關的部會首長自行到這個備詢台來協助回答好先請我們卓榮泰院長以及我們農業部部長和衛福部部長卓院長還有陳部長六部部長請備詢 |
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黃委員好院長好還有兩位部長好最近我們非常多的民眾特別是一些媽媽們非常關心的就是有關於食安問題也就是因為我們配合跟美國簽署ART |
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所以我們在今年針對向美國進口的馬鈴薯放寬了相關的標準要開放美國的馬鈴薯即便是有發芽或者有腐爛只要經過了處理仍然可以進口 |
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因為大家都知道在台灣人的桌上其實包含很多人喜歡吃這個像薯泥的沙拉或者是咖哩更不要說太多的小朋友喜歡吃素食店的炸馬鈴薯還有洋芋片 |
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所以我们现在针对美国的特殊的规格而可以说只有腐烂发霉发芽也只要加工之后就可以准予输入 |
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但是这两天因为大家非常的关心而且也发现我们现在世上检验马铃薯有没有含有我们所这种所谓的毒素龙葵检的这个试验的检验所 |
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经过这几天的厘清全国也只有两家全国只有两家可以检验有没有含龙葵检而且我也去查了这个检验大概要五到七天五天到七天那这个问题就来了 |
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第一個我們的檢驗能量實在是太低了而我們像進口馬鈴薯一個貨櫃它可能就是10萬顆以上的馬鈴薯第一個在海關你如何做檢驗檢驗出來要去處理還要去檢驗它有沒有龍奎鹼按照這個時間說實在這個馬鈴薯都可以長成一堆葉子了 |
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所以我們擔心的是我們今天跟美國簽署ART而我們這樣的一個犧牲的食安我們到底換到了什麼我在這邊請教部長的是根據我們的ART的 |
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規定竟然說我們對於美國加工馬鈴薯的輸入檢疫條件有任何變更都要雙方會商所以我想請問一下如果今天我們台灣老百姓非常反對這樣的一個輸入的方式應該要回到過去比較嚴謹的食安標準那是不是沒有辦法變更 |
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第二點我們輸入馬鈴薯不是只有從美國進口我們還有美國代進口大概佔四成多左右我們還有跟其他國家加拿大還有歐洲各國所以這個是只針對美國的嗎所以我想請問院長兩個 |
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第一個 這個標準 這個規定有沒有可能因為國人對於食安的疑慮而做更改第二個 這個規定是針對美國進口的嗎 |
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我們對美方在談判的過程當中文字剛剛委員念的是正確的有任何的變更要依據雙方與其指定代表來會商那我們也做了美國加工用馬鈴薯輸入的檢疫的條件所以我現在要強調的第一項是這個是加工用的馬鈴薯不是把發芽的馬鈴薯拿去加工這是錯的 |
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所以我們四項原則我們對毒性的檢疫標準不變而且會加嚴第二項從美方出口的時候有發芽或是沾有土壤的絕對不會出來 |
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過程當中進到我方的時候他如果有發芽或是有腐爛做加工型的馬鈴薯如果進到我方有發芽或腐爛我們是整顆丟棄不是再把它挖掉 絕對不是整顆的丟 丟製掉那其他的我們會逐一的強化他的檢驗所以我保證檢驗只有兩家啦所以我保證的是發芽 |
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腐爛有毒的絕對不會進入市場這也是我們今天要向大家來說明的絕對不會進入市場那我請問所以這個規定不會變更嗎不會更改嗎如果我們今天國人覺得這對我們的食安造成威脅我們就說死也不改嗎 |
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我跟委員報告就是在整個馬鈴薯的一個進口裡面我們跟衛福部是層層把關絕對不會讓任何有疑慮的包括發芽的包括腐爛的這東西流到市場我想我們可以做這樣的事情第二個部分是發芽的部分是為了防止這些馬鈴薯流到田間去使用 |
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所以在我們的檢疫規範裡面我們就有很嚴謹的規範所以我們的檢疫條件是沒有變更的衛生的條件衛護部所感的衛生安全的條件也沒有變更檢疫條件本來就變更啦部長拜託而且我們還只針對美國我剛剛問說只針對美國因為我們如果其他國家適用這個規定嗎 |
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跟委員說明我們現在的食品衛生的標準完全沒有變只要驗出有龍奎減是整這個超過我們標準是整批就退所以我們在食安的標準上是沒有調整的完全是一樣好 |
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这个非常大家非常的关心可是我想请问我们如果是美国以外的进口的马铃薯也是这个规定吗因为原来的规定是只要有发芽有腐烂整柜退回今天如果是来自加拿大的呢标准是什么来农业部部长 |
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我跟委員報告 如果是在整個邊境把關的過程中如果發現到 包括衛福部檢定出來的一些斜檢的超標或者是其他的 我覺得你不敢回答因為你們這個規定是針對美國 也許以後我們也要求馬鈴薯餐廳使用馬鈴薯要標示產地 |
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我跟委員報告喔 所有的檢疫條件都是雙方討論的對方的提出來以後我們討論到一個大家都可以接受的是用這種方式去對抗的好 因為時間關係喔我們是仿照日本高標準 日本做法也是跟我們相同再來 我希望我們的農產品去到國外也不會被這樣對待一個小小問題全部退回 這雙方要互惠 |
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我們是有對美國輸出馬鈴薯嗎我不想在這邊再爭議你們今天為了要跟美國簽下ART這個ART有沒有生效事實上到現在還有疑慮可是呢我們先大開門戶把這個發芽 |
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府外的馬鈴薯不像過去規定 整櫃的退回我們會整櫃的檢查來 院長請問一下我們的行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總代表 顏慧欣小姐她現在因為有涉嫌被霸凌的事情剛才張志倫委員也有跟您請教也許任總那個總長來嗎 |
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這個剛剛張志倫委員也有請教你說大概兩個月你們會提出最後調查結果這個兩個月的時間如果我按照你們大概三月底開始啟動調查那應該三月下旬啟動調查那是不是應該在五月底之前就應該有最後的報告結果 |
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是不是這是法定時間我跟委員報告一下,原則上是兩個月如果有需要再做進一步的查證我們還可以延一個月因為這件事情經社會高度的關注我認為不宜再拖兩個月就是兩個月 |
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那另外我想請教一件事情因為顏惠欣的父親他也是我們第一任駐WTO的代表顏慶章先生那他因為他非常哀痛那他對媒體說他願意做協助調查那請問一下會邀請顏慶章先生對這件事情來協助調查嗎 |
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報告委員這個完全尊重四位外部委員他們在調查的流程我們從不做任何的干涉要去問誰不問誰問什麼內容所以有可能不邀是不是尊重四位外部委員另外請教一下總長到目前為止有沒有約談過我們的總代表楊珍妮有沒有 |
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報告委員因為這個整個程序在進行我個人不曉得因為進行的過程中你們這個事情因為有關於涉及霸凌的事情尤其最近謝怡榮二審又判決那其實又勾起大家的回憶有關於我們公務人員尤其公務系統應該是霸凌零容忍 |
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但是我沒有想到在這麼高的層級也出現這樣子涉嫌霸凌的事件當然經過大家其實真的高度關注我在這邊要特別提醒院長跟我們人事總處我有調資料也謝謝你們提供資料因為雖然很多部會現在都不願意提供我資料我把它 |
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整理了目前在就是謝宜榮事件發生之後行政院成立了霸凌通報平台現在通報前三名就是數量最高的前三名包含衛福部34件 |
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法務部28件內政部24件而且非常奇怪的是到目前為止通報事件一共237件但是只有54%件是成立的 |
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大概有46%說不成立但是另外給我講說其他其他的其實量數最多將近五成所以這其他是什麼意思可能成立可能不成立是裡面有和解嗎還是裡面有施壓嗎所以我想因為我們既然有這樣的一個通報的平台那以現在的數字看起來不可謂不嚴重 |
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因為短短大概兩年的時間那麼就通報的案件有200多件雖然裡面有大概46%是不成立的但是裡面還是有成立或者是你列為其他我真的就不知道你這個其他是什麼意思所以也請院長還有我們人事總署能夠高度關注這個案子就是 |
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我們公家機關裡面真的一定是霸凌零容忍第三個議題部長應該知道我們的公共政策的這個平台網路平台現在有一個議題是最熱門的就是建請行政院與勞動部立即終止引進印度勞工計劃 |
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優先確保國人治安與性別平權環境當然這個議題非常明顯的是擔心我們國內富有的治安問題 |
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我很明確的表達我反對引進印度移工這個是我公開講的那這當然這段時間曾經有一些政治的口水或政治的帶風向說這個呢是 |
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國民黨就是在野黨事實上在主導這個政策同意這個政策那最近經過台灣事實查核中心認證他說是民進黨政府主導政策好 院長我要跟您請教其實我所了解對於大部分關心這個議題的民眾他其實已經不會去追究到底你們是政府嗎民進黨就是行政單位政府 |
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不管是在立法院或者行政院到底是怎麼去形成這個政策 |
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但是一個是關心婦幼的安全就是因為擔心因為在印度的國內在全世界很多的新聞媒體統計擔心有性侵的問題另外就是我們勞動部針對失聯移工的黑洞遲遲不能解決反對 |
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引進在這個時候引進印度移工大概就兩個一個擔心富有安全其實在這個公共政策平台很明顯的他是告訴你治安問題第二個失聯移工的黑洞因為現在這是政府統計大概九萬四千人失聯移工逃逸移工無法解決好所以我要請教院長 |
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和部長到目前為止我們會不會終止印度移工的引進勞工政策四項原則跟委員報告第一個國家需要更多的本國勞工跟外籍移工這個是事實第二個勞動部已經在全球各地以及東南亞國家多元的引進各國的勞工這也是已經在做的第三個有沒有產業在台灣需要引進印度的移工那要看產業的需求 |
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第四個就算要引進也要符合印度跟我方雙方政府談好的各種內容的規定這是四項原則所以我不希望我們用國家的歧視來講這個事情但是國內的安全國內的治安我們會重視但目前為止是勞動部方面並沒有產業來提出這樣的需求目前有沒有變化請部長再說明因為部長在立法院說今年年底要引進好所以我請問一下今年年底會不會 |
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目前也沒有任何的產業來邀請所以你們到現在為止還留給五八所以民眾還是會擔心安全絕對是我們最重、最優先的事情各種環境說是我們最重、最優先但是我還是提醒勞動的地方 |
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你沒在講的配套非常積極大家沒有想到所以你現在講的回答還是比較不通範所以這個議題沒有辦法完全去迷敵大家的主旨安全絕對是最優秀的最優秀的答案我希望就是在大家還有一定疑慮之時也因為其實現在還在領取我希望就是你現在終止議題 |
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好謝謝謝謝王委員謝謝卓院長下一位我們請蔡易宇委員質詢謝謝主席那是不是我們先請我們行政院卓院長 |
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總預算已經遲延了今天是236天 |
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那在今天的詢答結束後那才有交付審查的一個機會那也基於這樣總預算的一個延宕我們知道至少有2992億的一個新興計畫沒有辦法被執行新興跟新增預算對 新興計畫跟新增預算那這樣的一個預算到現在已經四月了一直到未來可能完成三讀之後這些才能被執行可能要拖到七月 |
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所以今年就過了一半所以我要求我們各部會首長在立法院完全審查之後加快腳步用勤能補托啦把這個托育的時間給他交付審查後就取得快一點那我想每個委員會我們在委員會也都會拜託召委可以拜就拜用最快的速度 |
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趕快省省出來啦因為很多建設真的就因此而延宕了我說嘉義,我們嘉義這裡我們六坎的大橋,我們大的大橋7.5億,那我也不想說幾億台但是也是說卡地總預算包括說,我們現在說嘉義包括我們幾個比較市中心的地方在中保民窮破住我們這裡也都需要運動中心平衡一些地方的一個運動的需求 |
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這也是在體育部也是一樣總預算卡的沒有辦法爭取那最重要的是治水預算包括水上的南進大排新港跟六角的六角的六卡白水那這一些預算也需要很多也沒有辦法被執行所以這一些的延宕是在是造成我們在地方的一些建設上在今年度就浪費了大半年所以你現在預算如果到了後 |
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也要結束要拖延期可能還要辦這個預算保留事實上以後面的整個行政流程來說那拖延期是很嚴重所以我們還是希望說立法院該審預算 |
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我們要處理我們就快處理這樣好不好目前很急迫的是汛期快到五月的汛期快到很多治水的工程我們除了原來可以用的之外有些在必須要通過預算完整的審查之後但是我已經要求各部會尤其是經濟部水利署提前預作計畫那預算一旦通過就能夠馬上接軌下去執行就是後續的執行也要趕快 |
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好 那在下一個我們請教育部也上來下一個我想跟院長來分享一個是在講的台灣這個台語 台語的這個文化我現在接觸到的一些地方 現在的孩子 |
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都對台語陌生 這件事 我覺得有點不懂是在台語 是全世界最國際化 最好聽的一個語言我們台語 我們講台語 我們要很有信心的在台語 我們就說出來所以我最近我看一個趣 我看很感動的那我知道這一個作者 這個趣的創辦人叫溫若喬那我們賴清德總統也曾經 把請到總統府 |
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我就看他那個影片 他去講台語的國際化來 我幫大家聽 我們一定聽到會覺得很感動來 我們放一下喔拉拉斯 羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅拉 拉拉斯羅 |
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我有看過韓語的 說真的 |
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真的 還有很多剛才說的加拉素 加拉素蘿蔔蘿蔔是台語 加拉素呢 那是英語也可以說是日語所以這就是說 台語有時候我們過去我們台灣全世界沒把語言學起來 變成這個台語所以這就是說 過去 |
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日本人的時代也有重視我們整個台語的文化的保留所以日本人在1906年就做一個台語大詞典來都幫大家聽你知道將近一百年前有一部用日語寫成的台語詞典記錄了許多當時台灣人獨特的美麗詞彙嗎這本詞典叫做台語大詞典這個文字系統將日語裡的片假名改造為適合台語的版本並且透過特別創造的符號來標記台語的聲調甚至連藥物、植物、礦物、動物等專業名詞也都記錄在內紙灰指的是從雲或樹木的縫隙灑入地面的陽光 |
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以前的台湾人会用刺激灰烂来形容这样的景色或者像是这个词指的是渔泉流动的时候在水面所泛出的涟漪这样的词汇是在全世界的语言当中都很少见的甚至还有这个词用来形容蜡烛点燃后焦点的竹芯如花一般散开的模样 |
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你看這就是台語 日輝 日輝 酒輝這樣都是很漂亮的語言所以台語說起來是一個很漂亮的語言這個語言我希望說我們院長跟部長我剛剛質詢我知道說因為這段時間我就一直去找現在我們的台語在教材當然說每一個年紀都要教材這個教材也是中間做得很好 |
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我就覺得社會要提供台語教育的這件事力道少了一些既然台語我看溫柳橋去分享台語的美那個分享都很多我會覺得我們國家也要用大一點的力道讓大家知道台語就是這麼漂亮的一個語言我們應該要大家都來講台語這樣講對不對來 |
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感謝委員關心我們台語的推薦其實我們從去年開始全國22個縣市的教育局出場都有成立我們有機院開始就是因應這個不同這個社區的族群結構開始用加台語或是加客語或是原住民語這我們有在做到今年我們的過年我們終身教育師也另外開發一套APP就是說 |
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就是這樣就對了創造讓大家覺得說台語 |
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吃舒服的一個環境我覺得這個事情我們有必要每一個這麼好的一個議員還有這麼國際化的一個議員要讓他我們這樣一代一代傳下去台議也是我們國家的議員現在國家的議員發展化都會說我們國家也有客家化也有這裡的原住民大家都愛但是我就覺得 |
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這個台語真的是很漂亮啦也許我對其他的客家話那些我不夠了解但是我真的這陣時間 我覺得台語這麼好的一個語言沒花陽光大 有夠沒菜 有夠爽啦這個語言要保留 留團 還是說通用剛才語言以外 要有文字啦我們現在也漸漸 剛才羅馬拼音以外也有漸漸台語的文字 大家在研究我也看過幾篇文章 從台語寫出來 |
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剛才我看 比較不像慣時你會覺得裡面可以種台語的氣味所以文字的研究 我想我們要加強這個所以我希望我們應該要用更多資源 針對這裡做台語的藝人的研究要讓它發揚光大 要怎麼宣傳這件事情我們都用更多資源來共識這件事情教育部 文化部都要導入這個行為保存我們的固有的意願 |
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我現在甩來請交通部長來 教育部長可以先來 院長我真的覺得你這兩天來很辛苦 有夠辛苦你應該是說做行政議長休息以來 我覺得你真的是最辛苦的面對國民黨 民眾黨這樣惡搞 |
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毀憲亂政每一個法律有說他們都沒有用立法權完全要凌駕行政院編列預算直接就是都在下達指令要怎麼編才會有今天總預算的這樣一個僵局所以我覺得現在又因為他們把大法官又卡住所以很多事情沒有辦法現在還你公道但是你現在說著 |
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你可以說是把整個我們現在看到的中華民國憲法可以用的行政自我救濟你都把它發揮到我覺得理事會獻你一個功德這個我很有信心民主是很不簡單的事情在我來說 我很興奮是我有很多前輩他們所走過的路我們都可以好好學習我也希望說這個釣魚雞肝 |
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既然今天可以好的開始,我們為好的發展來設一個最好的結構,更加這個事情總有錢也好,那個軍國防的特別有錢也好,還是我們的裁劃法,都可以在新的環境所以國家一定要控制一下啦,雖然我們台灣不能因為朝野、在野黨不理性的杯葛,才讓國家停頓所以院長我是覺得說 |
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理事會贏你一個功德 不就是議長事實上 我覺得喔 院長 |
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你現在需要一個你的作用的歷史定位這個作用的歷史定位就是 你要有一項屬於你的建設要有人說 卓榮泰行政院長就要一項建設我想要讓院長來建議一件院長 我們可以來算台鐵的權限高價化台鐵權限高價 |
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因為你也知道台鐵現在每一段都在爭取高價我們水上 嘉義的水上在爭取 貫庭也在爭取他的大林的高價化因為他也說未來如果雲林東南高價你不能允許高價到大陸下來 |
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當然在北京要營銷飛車 這都說得有道理可是事實上高鐵是需要被全線高架化為什麼 因為你不是要做全線高架而已如果我們做了全線高架我們應該要進一步的把台鐵全部變成1435的標準軌 |
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因為我們知道現在台湯和我們阿里山的生鐵是五分的車現在台鐵是七分的車只有現在叫做戈鐵,它還是叫做標準軌日本都用標準軌,日本現在很少會用七分的車如果我們把高鐵高架起來,先做好比較快的用大軌包小軌 |
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就是標準軌裡面去包氣氛車所以氣氛車現在台鐵的車可以走比較快的標準軌的車也可以走一樣在那條軌道大軌、包小軌可以同時走的狀況之下你可以未來創造類似日本更多的觀光列車它的速度可以比現在台鐵的速度還要快 |
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你就這樣起來 把他高架起來 把他擴寬雖然整個台鐵以後會變得非常的強大大家也會知道說 這個是卓榮泰行政院長在任內因為國家每年的稅收成長我們只要一年 可能我們就用十年計畫都要把他全線高架 一年用一千億這樣就做不起來一定 這我給你一個建議 我就來 這樣來實施嘛感謝委員 如果我可以選擇 |
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沒有這裡應該是都會區地下化跨縣區的高架化你看台北市來講地下化以後路面都很通院長我承認啦在都會是需要地下化都會地下化跨區的高架化如果可以朝這樣工程來進行 |
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那不是個人什麼定位,那是整個國家大大的進步所以我是覺得,院長你讓我來啟動這件事不然你讓他來鬥整件事,真的會讓大家都非常的有感而且以後看到我們的台鐵,像那種日本有那種可以晚上在那裡過夜的旅遊型列車 |
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鐵道旅遊是一個很高端的旅遊鐵道旅遊是非常的讓人家是喜歡的你看現在明日號也成功藍皮解憂也成功現在來我們大拿都有一個三藍號都成功了現在高端部會推一個台鐵 |
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整個環島四個九十分鐘台北到郭榮九十分鐘郭榮到台東九十分鐘台東到花蓮花蓮到台北四個九十分鐘這也是個環島目前如果這個路線都完整的話我們也可以發展另外一個觀光的事業這三條才好真的這三條才好不然就是炒地你攔著全線高架他在炸的時候都沒有後顧之憂他就一定會炸我是覺得這個真的可以去思考好不好院長 |
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主席,我跟高東坡請你介紹一下,現在還有什麼大型的可以新來加強的?對啦,這真的要這樣整個,就是我們本市整棟,一棟一棟,每棟都有,就直接做下去,這樣好不好?好,再來,來,院長請回,我請這個農業部長來,最後一分鐘,我要吹一下香氣,這個 |
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院長 事實上我們嘉義的產業園區事實上都有在建設可是我們現在知道在距離現在嘉科最近的有一個新港現在叫做新港農場這個農場 事實上也有產業園區的強烈必要因為它就在高鐵旁邊而且鄰近嘉義科學園區最大的優勢就是它那邊又是台塑整個 |
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台塑中原化工業區然後科學園區中抓這塊這塊事實上就是把它做成農業科技園區而且賴清德總統已經多次有來這裡有做這樣的承諾所以我希望一定我們的新港的這個產業園區是不是要是你的年來今天這間來合併這樣好不好 |
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我先跟委員報告,委員也一時關心我們家園本身的建立一個農業科技園區嘛那在上面就是...好謝謝謝謝蔡委員 |
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好謝謝蔡委員謝謝卓院長發言會休息十分鐘休息之後繼續進行質詢現在休息 |
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發言會現在繼續開會請紅委員孟凱質詢等一下紅部長坐定位 |
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好 感謝主席 麻煩邀請卓文泰院長好 請卓院長備選董委員好院長好院長 |
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今天你的這個報告開宗明義也感謝各黨團良性互動協商共同為國家永續發展我想為中華民國永續發展這是不分朝野我們大家一起努力的方向行政院立法院大家本於憲政體制下面互相尊重也是立院監督制衡行政院我想這個是民主國家裡面的一個常態 |
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但今天本席還是要很嚴正的指出來在這一次的一個總預算為什麼會有這樣子兩百多天的一個情況沒有辦法審查 |
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在野黨以及立法院預算中心過去到現在一直點出其實重點在於是行政部門並沒有依法行政該編列的預算沒有編列違法的預算沒有辦法違法審查這是事實但在點出這個議題之前我想先跟院長請教因為您在過去也快兩年多的時間任期裡面其實創下很多我們中華民國史上的第一 |
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院長你還記得你任內有多少個法案你提出復議嗎七個吧七個還八個七個或八個對七個八個嘛現在也記不清楚了因為太多了復議全部又再被立法院再一次否決 |
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復議結束如果沒有以責任政治來講 照理講提出復議者就應該要請辭下臺但縣法已經改過了 這個委員要申請訴請教院長 院長您任期內到目前為止不附屬了幾個法案應該是五個法案 |
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五個法案包括說相對來講真的是比較沒有爭議的尤其是本席之前有提過在立法院交通委員會就已經審查大部分的條文甚至到最後立法院三讀的時候60票比0民進黨團沒有任何人投下反對票的衛星廣播電視法 |
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執政黨的委員沒有半個人投反對而18條裡面有16條是在交通委員會NCC主管機關也一起共同出來討論達成共識出委員會不經協商直接二三組通過的法條都被擬用不附屬來做處理好我想請教剛剛講的不附議或不附屬你主要的理由是什麼我說過 |
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主要的理由是什麼就只要打大方向是不是認為是說這是違憲違反憲政的規定破壞財政的紀律影響國家的安全還有六點這幾個點是違憲最重要因為你是行政機關照理講應該依法行政嘛那違憲的部分請教不管是不服役或不附屬到目前為止這一些尤其是像不附屬的送憲法法庭暫時處分或是說違憲的這個宣告出來了嗎 |
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憲法法庭的無法運作還沒有嘛還沒有出來所以說現在是行政部門自己認為他是違憲所以說你就不執行憲法法庭的無法運作不是憲法法庭本身的問題不要忘記憲法法庭有一個5比6憲法法庭有你想運作的時候還是可以運作所以講了那麼多我們來請教院長這一次總預算我們一直強調的是 |
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警察人士條例2025年4月就已經三讀通過了居然加薪條例2025年6月就已經通過了那請教他有沒有被你不附議或是不附屬 |
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君仁的條例用這種齊同性的先回答本席的問題有沒有被你附議或是不附屬這是在送釋憲有沒有被你附議或不附屬嗎沒有不附屬沒有不附屬也沒有附議然後總統有沒有公告 |
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總統有公告總統公告了結果你也一樣不執行啊我們沒有說不執行所以現在的狀況變成是委員我澄清你連不附屬跟附議都可以失陷吧委員我沒有說不執行喜歡的來送附議喜歡的來送不附屬即便是沒有送附議沒有送不附屬的你不執行還是不執行來我們看一下我們沒有說不執行我們說等大法官解釋出來之後合憲就追加而且追訴這跟剛剛附議或是不附屬有什麼差別 |
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你一樣啊你一樣是要等大法官釋憲之後出來你才要執行啊但實際上這已經違反法治原則照理講行政部門在立法院刪除通過法令你在等待事件結果之前你就要依法行政如果要講憲法 |
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你是法律系 法律的ABC並不是行政部門自己來決定來 我們看一下立法委員增加行政院的支出當然要跟行政院徵詢這個過程從來沒有一次被遵守過我非常非常的遺憾來 我請教一下院長這不是在野黨說了算 |
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這是立法院預算中心在今年的總預算報告裡面針對稅出部分他也特別提到他講說警察消防沒有屬法定義務支出未依規定優先補足應該依法行政原則編列預算預算中心都已經告訴行政院所以本席今天強調的在於是 |
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我們今天好 你說各退一步講實在話行政部門其實沒有退步但是立法部門願意在韓國瑜院長的協調 頂賴之下其實這很像什麼很像過去有一個故事索羅門王要孕婦 |
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小孩到底是誰的兩個孕婦都說他的愛孩子的人不會想要一刀兩斷也因此到最後立法院認為是說好我們先來審理總預算但請行政部門依照相關的遵守規定半年內把 |
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應該要補足的警察人士條例以及軍人加薪條例來補足因為我們不忍心看到民生被卡住我們不忍心看到即便通過了718億新興計畫行政院不執行就是不執行所以院長我只想請教一下半年內 |
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有沒有信心跟把握一定能夠補足編列相關軍人跟警察人士條例的預算我也很欣慰朝野協商能得出這樣的一個結論半年內讓我們好好來檢討這也代表著立法院那個要把孩子切成兩刀的所以一定會編列嗎立法院要把孩子切成兩刀的刀子你不用下了我們可以好好來討論 |
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今天是行政部門想要看著刀子砍下去是立法部門認為說民生優先也因此我們過去其實院長我們一直強調是說這個是橄欖枝但是行政部門不願意接受但我現在想問結論半年內會不會編足預算我剛剛在報告裡面有兩行字我再強調一次未來半年內我們的態度是研議更合理反映物價的待遇調整 |
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還有更貼近公務體系的實質運作的專業佳績所以言議是兩院來互相討論所以院長什麼時候要啟動這樣的言議 |
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我們今天先把預算複製好嗎 你既然一講是說兩院要來那就是行政部門要召集協商 召集討論是不是 什麼時候開始那我們就不一定要等半年嘛下個禮拜就可以開始啦同步進行我希望這個時間點審查預算 提出版本審查預算才是正正 |
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所以你看你又沒有辦法所以預算審查完畢之後我們有綜藝的事情五百官在這邊我想除了審查預算我們已經講了下個禮拜馬上委員會開始就會一起審查但另外一個部分軍人加薪跟其他人是條例什麼時候要把願板送進來 |
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我們在審查預算的過程當中半年內可不可以送進來?多少?半年內能不能送進來?當然當然半年內會送進來?當然當然當然那另外本席既然已經確定半年內一定送進來那再來院長有看到今天的報紙啦字比較小但是頭版頭薄入施壓商總理事長說政府別扣帽子 |
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另外聯合報也是在頭版也寫商總說政府別扣帽以正逼商我想先請教有沒有掌握任何的證據因為其實是有綠媒先報導說商總昨天要開記者會結果綠媒先報導說商總 |
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被中共北京施壓被迫表態我們到目前為止有沒有掌握任何的資料任何的證據確實商總有被滲透商總是中共同路人嗎我早上已經正式對外說過政府跟七大工商團體一向保持非常良好的關係很多重要的時刻跟決策政策推動他們也出聲來支持所以往後會保持這樣的良好的關係 |
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問A答A有沒有我們到目前為止您手掌握的資料或是我們陸委會給你的訊息還是相關單位給你的訊息有沒有商種被北京施壓我覺得這很嚴重耶這是國安問題耶 |
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他會開這樣的記者會除了商總內部的討論之外有沒有被誰施壓商總會知道 我並不知道所以政府也沒有掌握政府不會去掌握你希望政府去掌握所以今天他講說政府不要扣帽子好 那本席再請教 |
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那政府相關單位部門有沒有打電話個別拜託商總有沒有相關部會打電話給商總說請他們不要開這個組委會行政院沒有要求哪一個部會去處理但是各該部會如果有一般業務的接觸不應該被解釋為所以也有嘛所以今天看起來我們政府部門是有跟商總聯繫但是行政院院長剛剛講大白話就是說他也沒有掌握或說也沒有任何的資料證據 |
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根本就是政府扣帽子是商總是中共同路人來我看一下其實商總怎麼會是中共同路人呢 |
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本席也很好奇因為一個月前本席也參與受邀參與中華民國全國商業總會的新春團拜春酒晚會而當時我們的蕭美琴副總統跟本席坐的時間幾乎一樣久本席逐桌的致意蕭美琴副總統也逐桌的致意當時我們都還看到說政府部門跟 |
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在座也有很多的部長當天都有在我分別跟商總共商協定會所以其實商總他們今天花兩三個鐘頭進行過早餐會全程參與所以沒有任何的問題沒有問題好來所以現在在講嗎 |
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有所謂的以政逼商還是以商逼政嗎昨天記者會我不知道說行政院長有沒有那麼的時間能夠看完昨天記者會但如果沒有的話也可以看一下他今天各大報的頭版頭其實商總許書博 |
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理事長他講的我覺得開宗明義也很清楚他呼籲兩點第一點大陸不要以政治因素冒然終止或宣布已經開放的政策對台應該要制度化的運作但第二點台灣政府及在野黨也應該以產業發展優先對人民有利的該開放就開放不要站在產業及人民的對立面 |
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所以其實看起來商總他也是表達我們不管是兩千三百五十萬人共同心心念念希望商業能夠更加的活絡市場更加的開放何錯之有政府也是這樣做健康有序對等真言而且我們的 |
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這個海旅會在去年二月主動聯繫海旅會要救觀光的品質安全是海旅會沒有答覆給我們我們有主動表達過這種聯繫的意識現在看起來鄉總就講了嘛政府不要扣帽子政府沒有扣帽子 |
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那你留著跟許書柏理事長講你留著跟我們全國2350萬人大家講本期現在講的是你可以問問許書柏我有沒有打過電話給他談過記者會其實強調的是沒有啊院長本期強調的是我們可以更自信一點開大門走大路中華民國過去到現在我相信我們的困難沒有少過 |
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但如果說對外我們一致對外可是重點在於是我們不要在內部找敵人其實過去到現在本席最痛苦的地方也是最沒有辦法接受的地方常常就是一件政策出來之後就變二分法只要執政黨做的東西就是可以在野黨做的事情就不行因為經得總統選舉的首席理事長跟習近平和陳乃就說可以結果只要在野黨有任何的運動就說是親中賣台這是荒謬的事情 |
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許助理事長也到過我的辦公室兩個坐下來談他所關心切身的問題這個都沒有問題本席沒有興趣聽你們兩個私下的互動本席只想要的是這不是挑撥這是今天報導的頭版請議長好好地了解最後一分鐘來很多委員也都在關心我們的因為對外嘛 一致嘛 |
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那本席也收到相關的一個爆料就是我們看到顏惠欣副總代表她的一個霸凌案事件結束之後但有傳來這樣的一個訊息院長您可以看一下這是一個公務群組OTN應該是我們經貿辦公室的縮寫在3月25號看得到下面最後一個顏惠欣被移除 |
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而被移除的這一個是我們總代表楊珍妮的機要秘書在3月25號以前嚴慧心都還存在在我們的公務群組裡面所以換言之她到底什麼時候請辭如果說就您收到請辭信應該是2月左右吧 |
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一月底嘛 就是農曆春節前嘛是不是那可是農曆春節前我現在羅生門在於是你有沒有批准你沒有批准所以說他還持續在公務群組裡面公務群組裡面結果3月24號他的死訊出來之後第一時間居然選擇的不是慰問家屬而是把他從公務群組裡面移除這是什麼樣的一個心態 |
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好 謝謝紅委員謝謝左院長 下一位請范雲委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝副院長有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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范委員好院長早安因為剛剛有委員提到這個所謂的以政逼商那我個人是認為台灣是民主政治那幾乎很多事情都沒有什麼秘密可言都公開透明那但是真正以商逼政以政逼商的不就是中共嗎那這件事情不知道院長同不同意兩岸之間存在的問題就是 |
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中國方面一直用政治的條件來加注在我國政府頭上而且也不跟我方的公家的單位進行正面的協商所以他會繞道而行那繞道而行他必須找到一個可以跟他配合的 |
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這個就是過去的例子那我們希望未來雙方要健康有序的交流互相對等尊嚴所以這種交流的態度跟誠意能夠放出來時機成熟了我方也願意主動來做更多的善意的努力像旅遊啊兩岸的這個農漁產品以及食品還有很多的觀光自由行等等 |
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我方可以掌控所有我們的要不要啟動的資料跟時間對方也應該這樣子雙方有長期穩定合作的誠意我有看到卓院長今天早上受訪的時候有提到所謂的三條件三原則政府對政府這部分我也非常的支持我相信政府絕對是希望產業發展的越好對不對那但是從過去的這個 |
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鳳梨釋迦跟石斑魚的經驗我想民間產業看到的是機會我相信政府也會看到風險我希望政府也能夠承諾在發展的同時一定要幫忙繫上安全帶 |
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這個部分應該是可以協助我們從監督的角度希望從機會到風險那民間可能看到的機會那我們絕對是要提醒風險特別是協助系上安全帶這部分院長應該是可以答應 |
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是 政府就是保護每個國人的基本安全那到哪個國家去旅遊我們甚至要考慮到說該地區的安定治安等等我們會做很多的建議所以幫每個國人保護好是政府應該有的責任好 謝謝卓院長那其實今天我很關心總預算 |
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那我有看到卓院長提到早上的時候有講2點第一個當然是希望進速審查嘛因為已經延宕了235天我算了一下235天已經快8個月了超過7個月因為去年8月就送進來那所幸終於要覆為審查那但是呢我想從 |
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去年8月送進來的時候到現在那關稅談判中間也經歷過很多美國內部的一個變動那今年2月又爆發中東戰事那都近期當然習正位可能跟預算的關係比較少可是也都是各種相關的變動那以美國關稅談判為例 |
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去年我們就通過了因應國際情勢的這個任性特別條例經濟部編列461億支持產業的四大措施那中東戰事我想國人都很憂心包含政院其實不斷的在處理那我覺得以我自己看到的亞洲國家的經驗我們台灣就是我們的行政院是處理得非常好就物價的平穩 |
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還有油價然後各方面能源的多元化可以跟卓院長分享我之前去菲律賓開會菲律賓的政府所有的公務員已經規定一個禮拜有一天在家工作因為油不夠了然後油價飆漲所以我們的啞鈴最低價那真的對物價的平穩 |
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包含行政院的處理是相當好那包含我這邊查到的我們也啟動就是醫材的國產國用打造韌性的醫療國家隊還有各種就是塑膠袋讓大家都能夠不用擔心那我看到國營事業四大工會台電 台灣石油然後自來水企業工會 台塘工會他提到請立院支持台電的預算 |
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那這部分那我也看到主計長有說盤點需求需要將近1300億那您這邊講的是特別預算所以我想這個中東的情勢跟剛剛講從這已經過8個月前編的預算那想請問院長那您覺得這個總預算是不是有相關調整的需要因為我們今年已經過了 |
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三分之一了那個預算當時不知道有中東的這個情勢的變化也並不知道關稅還有這麼多的波折因為美國內部的內政的議題那不知道院長我看您早上有講希望寬烈那可不可以說明一下是因為哪些原因以我看到的這些幾個工會提的需求我覺得都應該正面回應 |
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好的 感謝委員去年為例 美國關稅的調整我們已經編了5300億的特別預算這個還只是關稅秩序的調整不像這次的中東情勢它是整個 是個生產設施的破壞以及交通 能源交通運輸航線的整個停頓所以影響之大現在也無法預估那麼去年我們在編今年的總預算的時候並沒有把這些評估在內所以我們今年 |
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是有可能要增加哪些預算去年是不知道的所以我希望立法院在審查今年總預算的時候足下的預算能夠予以寬列讓我們有足夠的資歷財力能夠來處理今年比較發生多的事情但這個都在今年的有計畫的項目當中 |
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那超出很多是現在無法預估的像我們做了很多保護國人跟僑民的安全外交部做了很多工作我們做了很多穩定能源供應的問題台電 中油吸收了很多很多的錢我們做了很多穩定物價的功能我們也啟動了聯合稽查 |
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對這不法的份子這個行為 聯合行為加以查緝我們也做了很多穩定市場秩序到各地看看各市場的物價是否能夠安穩下來我們也在金融跟股市方面你看雖然股市是不斷的好但是要 |
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長期的一個關注另外中央地方也做了相當大的一個狀況所以這些個問題加起來今年是無法預估在原來的計畫當中我們所編的預算是否完全足夠應用甚至在計畫外的 |
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應該有更多的超出計畫之外的像台電 像中油中油吸收100多億台電也吸收LNG的這個漲幅也相當多那目前我們又想對這些大宗運輸的從業人員來做一些實質上的支持那這個都應該在預算當中 |
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還在請主席總書算能不能從現有的預算把它匡列出來如果不能的話我們必須要做其他的努力所以已經如此了那麼今年的預算如果還大幅的刪減那不是雪上加霜嗎那我們的力道更小了 |
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那我們也有可能要追加的項目額度又會大增起來所以還是再一次的懇請立法院在今年這樣審查預算的過程當中國際情勢如此國家面對這樣的處境我們處理的整個平穩措施不敢講最好但其實已經比鄰近國家安定許多我們會持續下去而且會擴大那希望我們有足夠的預算能夠來支持這幾項的措施 |
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我想請問卓院長我非常支持您講的但是我們的藍白很多立委尤其是很多新立委可能連寬烈這兩個字都不一定聽得懂他們常常又要馬兒跑又不讓馬兒吃足夠的草譬如說到時候撥補又不支持然後也繼續再向過去無差別的煽動的話會造成什麼影響 |
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就是讓我們每個部會必須要很拮据的來應用現在編列的預算大幅刪減之後應付去年在編列預算當時想像的狀況已經不足了更何況對於今年所多發生的這些事情那這個我們會把它統編起來至於 |
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主計總署所提出的那個是各部會依照長期的規劃提出的1290幾億的預算那是比較長期的規劃我們真的要進入到這個程度的時候我們會再核實精算我們絕對不浪費我常常要求我們的內閣我們的部會首長當用才可用該審就必須審 |
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不知道院長有沒有聽說我們立法院政黨協商的時候民眾黨又提出原本的協商是要說他們要延會到7月底結果協商的時候提出來就直接延到8月底我們將會成為不只是民主國家會期最長的甚至是全年無休 |
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因為8月底之後接著9月1號又是新會期我不知道對行政院會不會有什麼影響對我們立委來講可能就沒有辦法好好規劃國會外交助理也沒有辦法好好的就研議法案區域委員可能就沒有完整的時間可以回到地方等等但是我想跟院長詢問一下因為他們其中的一個理由說要好好審人事 |
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那當然我今天看到新聞院長就是會說到今天會補題那個中選會的三位上次被藍白無差別砍掉的三個候選人那可以請問一下院長您這次提名的方向是什麼那如何因應萬一藍白又無差別的就是不看專業只要是他認為是民進黨提的然後就無差別刪掉 |
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我先說一下就是關於大院裡面的議程如何延續行政院是沒有意見不可以置會的但是休會的期間委員可以進行國會外交但是休會的期間我們的內閣首長是要進行更多的政策討論跟政策的研究 |
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不用被綁在立法院被尋綁這個字我不敢講但是我們會花比較多的時間在這裡就少掉了一些靜下來思考政策的問題所以我希望說這個還是讓他有一個自然的生態那麼至於說中選會的人員我們也知道中選會他是一個獨立機關必須讓他馬上迅速的恢復正常的運作因應年底即將到了這個大選所以這張情況底下 |
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已經通過的四位委員雖然過程當中我仍然有一些心中真的有一些我的感覺但是我會今天就會任命立刻安排交接至於其他應該還要再補三位因為中選會的組織法裡面規定是九到十一位委員原來的四位再加上新的任命四位也八位而已難免有瑕疵我希望再補三位這三位第一個原則 |
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我們還是秉持這個中選會獨立機關的性質我們找出沒有黨籍背景的人來我們有法律的背景我們有這個長年公務人員系統的背景 |
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那這樣來我覺得對中選會的人事的安排是足以來因應未來升任所有的工作的所以提出來之後我也會今天把三位這個同意權人的名單一併送出那請大院能夠迅速的來排定審查跟行使同意權的日期 |
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那聽起來這三位是完全沒有黨派背景有些有法律的專業各方面的背景都絕對能夠升任中選會的委員而且還有一位女性非常好 三分之一的女性那我們也希望這次藍白不要再無差別讓中選會無法願作然後又回過頭來質疑就是行政院長不敢快提 |
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那當然這次他們研會的理由還有一個原因說要好好審總預算那雖然我現場質疑說總預算已經今年都過了三分之一了難道你要審到八月底嗎但他們拒絕回答這個問題那我看到媒體說他要刪減沒宣費我想請院長講一下你希望今年度的總預算什麼時候審完最合理要拖到八月底嗎 |
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那萬一他們又大刪沒宣費對你們的影響會是什麼 |
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我還是懇求能夠盡快的審完審完之後所有的正事都能夠順利如常的進行那沒宣費是這樣子我剛剛也答覆過其他的委員政府推動太多的事情我們經濟高度的發展我們科技產業急速的跟國外做各種的連結我們的產業是全面在振興當中我們很多政策必須向產業界跟國人來做說明的況且你看從去年的例子跟今年 |
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我們從關稅以及中東情勢我們做了很多產業的支持即使要告訴產業界你可以透過什麼樣的措施來協助你的產業這個都要很多很多的宣傳的過程報告的過程那這個只是其中的一部分像日常我們現在媒體很多對某一些事情如果他報導的 |
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做不到100%正確的時候我們必須及時來做說明像剛剛說到馬鈴薯的部分我再強調任何發芽腐爛的有毒的絕對不可能進入到台灣市場美國方面有發芽有土壤的也不會從美國出來所以我們檢驗的標準是不變的那一旦到我們這裡之後發現它裡面有一顆有發芽的這整顆是丟棄的那整櫃的車子 |
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整櫃裡面的量我們是逐一來檢查的所以我們檢查的量是提高的所以這個部分我們希望媒體如果正確的報導人民就會得到比較心安但如果這個報導沒有辦法真實的呈現的時候那我們當然必須透過很多的方式來向人民說明清楚所以每一宣費用我們是用在這種好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝范委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請楊瓊瑩委員質詢 |
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謝謝院會主席江副院長楊瓊瓊發言首先來邀請卓院長卓院長請背上這個朋友大家好還有我們在樓上的這個參訪人好韓國瑜好 |
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根據2026年美國貿易障礙評估報告跟台美對等貿易協定當中行政院、農業部、衛福部近期調整美國產的加工用馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件 |
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那過去的標準是在邊境的時候呢查驗了發現了有一顆的發芽那整批貨櫃就是這個退運或者是銷毀整批貨櫃退運或者是銷毀那現在放寬的是允許有這個發芽或者是潰爛的這個個體整顆剔除後那其餘的個體可以指定到 |
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到指定的加工整顆丟掉那官方說法也就是說你們告訴我們說我們是參照日本的模式那強調加工用跟這個現實用的流向是不同那並設有三道的關卡第一個施用這個抑制劑第二個邊際抽檢總配糖它的一個生物檢視200ppm |
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第三個工廠端的一個監管這是你們告訴我們的但是毒物科的專家告訴我們龍葵鹼它具有神經的毒性而且它是耐高溫所以整櫃的馬鈴薯在密閉的輸運當中它發芽那是否會存在著交叉的污染是否會有那剔除之後它能不能百分之百 |
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您說的這個有發芽的或者是潰爛的這個個體是整顆丟掉但是剔除後是不是能夠百分之百的阻絕了這個毒素那所以呢本集認為管理的盲點那輿論他開始在質疑了我們政府本來是由海關全負責的來把關但是現在是轉嫁給加工廠 |
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所以在人力不足的時候會不會有這個人力不足而沒有去檢查清楚在加工廠裡頭而且你要怎麼樣落實在整個工廠端的一個選別監管這一點非常重要所以 |
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貿易換食安很多的團體家長爸爸媽媽很緊張這是不是會接著又是萊豬歐盟的農藥的這個標準之後又一次的為貿易利益來犧牲國人的健康紅線所以在這樣的背景之下本期要請教過去我們對於發芽的這個馬鈴薯是零容忍的那邊境就是紅線 |
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現在紅線後測到加工廠內部所以我要請教發芽的馬鈴薯的毒性難道他會因為進了加工廠變成薯片就自動衰減嗎接下來我個人還要再請問發芽的馬鈴薯就整顆丟棄了他不可能做成其他的產品 |
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而且那一批一定會雁龍虧險先等一下我們把問題問好你們再回答 本席會給你們回答這樣子的一個管理邏輯的位移那本質上就是從政府負全責的邊境管理轉向到業者必須自負盈虧的自主管理所以院長 |
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你對於台灣加工廠的一個自律程度你認為會比我們國家的海關的專業檢驗更有信心嗎請做說明這個檢驗的過程請部長說明 |
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我先跟委員報告我想委員對農業非常了解台中的楓葉的馬鈴薯我們為了保護所以在民國95年的時候我們特別訂定了芽體不能超過0.5公分那個的目的是為了防止這些國外進口的馬鈴薯進到我們的田裡面去跟我們國內的馬鈴薯競爭 |
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連牙體我們都非常嚴格這個就是我們對於食安有危險的我們絕對會嚴格而且是零容忍的一定要安全所以在這樣的一個情況下本市要請教的問題 |
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是沒有觀念性的本席沒有請你回答院長所以本席要請教你以往我們連牙體都這麼注意那你現在真的認為工廠的自主管理會比你國家你的國家的海關的專業檢驗還要有信心嗎 |
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我跟委員報告請教院長這是原則性的問題請教院長你的認為呢食安的問題我們當然是列為首要但邊境的管理我剛剛說過在美國它如果要發芽它是不可能出口的 |
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他不可能出口發芽或土壤在這個馬鈴薯上面他就不可能出口過程當中一旦有芽發生了我們就把它丟棄掉絕不會拿去做任何加工產品要請問在密閉式的輸運當中你發覺這一顆幾顆那你把這個有問題的丟掉其他的 |
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會不會有交叉汙染的這個問題請教會不會有交叉汙染對 沒錯抽驗跟檢驗標準沒有改變所以即使它有沒有發芽我們都會有抽驗的程序要走所以換言之呢過去是整櫃就退了它沒有抽驗的問題現在沒有整櫃退我們就會抽驗因為它有一顆有芽體那一批我們就會抽驗 |
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一驗出超標整批退回所以換句話說院長您聽清楚了還是會有交叉感染的疑慮接下來本節目農業部告訴我們你要參考日本的模式 |
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日本怎麼做呢日本有嚴謹的指定工廠的特許制度跟極高額的違規成本請教院長你針對我們目前所配合的指定加工廠你有派駐常駐的監管人員在那裡嗎 |
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我跟委員報告不是指定的加工廠是指定的地點他在指定的地點去做篩檢把這些不合格東西丟棄他還是在邊境檢定的一環因為他整個東西是封櫃而且經過鴨車去督導的部分他是在邊境檢驗的一環的不是說從此就留到市場去或讓我們的加工廠自己來處理 |
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跟我們說明沒有完成檢驗程序之前還是在海關它是在冷凍櫃裡面並不會流入到工廠這是我們政府告訴我們的民眾的疑慮接下來本校要請教那如果這一個發芽的馬鈴薯 |
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在整個加工廠的時候你把整櫃這個有問題的你把它剔除所以我們剛才質疑的會不會在密閉式的輸入當中這個過程有交互這污染的疑慮你們說你們現在告訴我們是說你還會針對於這一櫃全部重新的檢驗是不是如此 |
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在過去呢不論有沒有發芽我們都有抽菸的標準那現在呢如果有發現到有一顆有發芽被這個農業部特別挑出來的我們也會再加菸 |
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那驗出來只要超標就整櫃就會退現在部長告訴我們的說如果有他們會加驗這個就是家長的質疑因為他們生怕如果變薯片薯條我們不知道到底吃到的是不是來自於有發芽的馬鈴薯或者是這一櫃裡頭被剔除的原料 |
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踢除之後是不是會有交互這個污染的馬鈴薯家長的疑慮是如此家宴之後有毒性的就整個退不可能家宴之後有毒性的來做成薯條薯片讓我來吃 不可能 |
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好 這個政府告訴我們所以本席要請教因為家長一直希望我們的食安我相信院長你也是玲瓏人的一定要全面的安全那在這樣情況之下大家都是希望日本他們的做法是如此那我們 |
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因為很多人會質疑也就是有一日的時候政府必須要給民眾來說明清楚在這樣的一個情況之下就是生怕我們為了要妥協這個食安的紅線所以拿國外的制度來當為食安的一個遮羞布這是非常讓民眾有不安的一定要說明清楚 |
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我跟委員報告我們的某個程度是比日本還嚴的日本的加工馬鈴薯是直接到加工廠去處理那我們還去檢查它有沒有牙體是為了防止它流出外面那有的話我們是整個的邊境的檢查是延伸到指定地點那邊去做一個有效的去除來保證說每一顆腐爛的發芽的東西都不會進到我們的消費市場這個是我們可以確定的好 市議院長 |
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我們民眾所希望的是食安的安全那所以因此要請教如果連發芽的馬鈴薯是不能進口的那這樣子最基礎的一個科學共識都能夠在談判當中去談判掉那所以民眾會質疑那未來是不是會開放更多的一個爭議性的農藥等所以本席要在這邊請院長來承諾貿易協定 |
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不能建立在民眾承擔風險的代價上當然我們糧食安全跟國民健康這兩項以及國家跟產業利益這個是列為這次談判的四大優先的一個原則絕對不會破壞那馬鈴薯看這一張是 |
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腐爛發霉發芽的馬鈴薯都丟掉了不是丟掉拿去加工用這不要誤會這是加工用的馬鈴薯一旦有腐爛發霉發芽就把它丟掉了但是被誤會說丟掉以後是拿去加工用這是天大的誤會沒有人這麼誤會已經講得很清楚發芽腐爛的丟掉現在重點院長你要針對民眾的質疑重點是在你密閉式的一個運輸當中那麼你整個 |
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會不會你雖然把這些丟掉會不會有交叉我們會加強檢驗一旦有毒性整櫃退回好所以要請教如果有這些這個雖然剔除了但是還有一些這個櫃子裡面民眾還是有疑慮你未來是不是可以在整個包裝上面去標註 |
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你的來源是經過剔除的這些的一個批次可不可以這樣告訴民眾,民眾就沒有疑慮了嘛我跟委員報告,我們在指定地點檢查以後,我們會重新發檢疫的合格證如果他拿到檢疫的合格證的時候,就視同一般的因為經過整個的一個選別以後,把合格的馬鈴薯留下來發檢疫合格證是一樣的 |
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所以院長你去思考讓民眾怎麼樣可以安心這是最重要的你標示清楚就可以最安心了你去思考告訴我們社會大眾接下來本席要請教 |
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AI新時代的建設由國發會去統籌經濟部、國科會以及數位部我們預計在2040年投入了1000億以上的資金預計要培植50萬的人才希望創造15兆的產值 |
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那115年度我們的預算我看到我們是編列280億包括的營業及非營業特種基金的部分是31億換句話說總共311億比去年我們增加了143億成長是84點多那這表示政府我們全力的來推動AI那但是我們看到目前算力中心多集中在哪裡在南科國網中心以及北部 |
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那如果要均衡區域均衡院長你是不是應該要考慮在這個預算應該要在中部地區因為中部地區在整個精密所有都是最完整的生產鏈是不是115年度的預算應該優先在我們的台中來設立請教院長要成立一個算力中心 |
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必須要先注意到他的能源的使用要充裕那中科是一個早期發展成熟各個產業都已經進駐的比較多的所以要在裡面找也並非不可但是一定要再詳細的計算用地以及那個能源的使用那南科還有這個沙崙他比較新興的所以他比較容易接受新的產業進來北部的科學院也是如此所以我們希望中部地區我們是 |
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把它設定為中部視線是精密智慧新核心它有它光學等等其他的特殊的就是將精密機械來轉為這個AI機器人整個的一個運作它是一個生產性非常完整的 |
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AI的導入一定會全面的導入會全面的導入中部地區我們智慧星和精密智慧星的希望能夠加強的除了它原來的傳產之外把它升級那光學以及航太都是在裡面特殊的所以本期具體建議結合台中的航太跟自動化的能量建立國家級的AI機器人測試的這個驗證場域是否可以 |
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機器人是OK的是可以一定要全面推動 帶動整個國家的一個升級產業在台中是最佳的場域好 我們一起合作好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝楊委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請王定宇委員質詢 |
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我經常看了一個表過去十年來我們國家總預算 負為審查的時間 |
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10年我是可以掉20年啦結果都一樣2016年到2025年其實我們都會在預算年度開始前付為審查這其實是我們立法院根據憲法我們的責任這不是權力我們今年要審明年的那現在是2026年的4月已經下旬了 |
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我們國家史上第一次國家總預算預算年度都已經展開將近40%的時間才付為審查就算順利審查完成最後三讀我估計大概到年中了也就是年度過一半我們國家的總預算還在才開始審查審查中到審查完成 |
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那這樣會導致什麼情形呢我們的政策計畫那因為國家的政策計畫會帶動我們民間的預期的投資比如說我們政府要獎勵我們的電動巴士或者我們的政府呢有針對不動產有什麼樣的做法民間會有因應的預期作為就因為這樣的展延整個陷入停滯或混亂另外呢因為通過的時間預算年度已經過一半了 |
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各部會各公務機關你可以執行的時間剩一半會產生三個情形我們待會可能各部會我們會舉個例子舉些例子來看它導致的結果因為這是我們國家史上首次這樣子所以有些政策會因為預算在立法院審查延宕根本導致無法執行就沒有了 |
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過了簽約期啊或者就沒辦法執行了有或沒有第二種哪些政策會因為預算審查延宕導致執行進度延後那影響成效本來在這個時候做喔 要前半段好過起來年底就會帶動你現在一延後影響成效 |
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第三種有些政策因為預算延宕審查導致人民的福利取得展延這三個面向我不是客氣就院長印象所及可不可以各舉一個例子好就交通的補助而言大家常常談很多交通的補助無論如何718億何時通過它都已經超過了1月1號了 |
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市場已經延誤了 超越很久了對地方政府必須先行電資那我們還要跟地方政府算賬 這是一個例子 |
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那這個訊期快到了防訊期的工程應該在1月1號一開始就可以全面的展開做各種的細部規劃甚至開招標等等那現在也有很多有延誤了雖然有些我們也已經在就原有的計畫在執行但是不是全面在做還是做起來相當的礙手礙腳我有見過雷啦我本來要拿國防因為國防討論很多那顧部長卻先不用上來國防那個更的是國防有的你約沒有簽過了沒有要重來啊國防那個更的是 |
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一次的延誤可能好幾年都追不回來我舉第一個例子生育補助十萬後我們在基層跑生育十萬塊呢我跟他講社會福利的問題早一天通過就全面實施晚一天通過就必須要拖延我們原來年度預算今年的規劃是每胎補助十萬那目前的做法是先發原來的四萬待預算通過之後再補給你是照原來你的生育的各項 |
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一個保險的給付就補給你多少錢就先發了那到10萬的這個差距我們就依照我們現在政策的資訊我本來以為說補就慢點領我今天質詢這題是因為我我收到對新手父母的陳情這個我要請教我們院裡面的態度他說他本來期待啊孩子出生了那就按照原來性有的保險補助領了三四萬塊錢那過一小段時間他孩子夭折了 |
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夭折了那我先請教他能補發嗎就我們現在制度我不了解我要請教這個事情我認為就法律命令而已應該在他事情發生的時候他是具有資格的他是有資格領的嘛他是有資格的就紅三部長就是說這個是個案啦我覺得很遺憾因為那個新手父母說 |
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孩子是不是很高興啊政府這個十萬塊錢我還看到以後獨幼兒園國家陪你一起養然後呢第一胎每個月還可以領五千嘛領到六歲嘛他充滿了期待 |
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後來就發生這個生育補助因為前面會有一段是生育給付這是來自這個社會保險的部分這當然應該已經會發了對他已經發了那我自己認為這個生育補助的部分按照這個狀況的話因為他有生育的事實其實應該應該要補發啦我覺得遺憾但是應該補發因為 |
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沒有父母可以預測下個月下下個月孩子沒有人希望嘛可是那個當下那個moment是因為立法院延宕審查預算啊否則他當下應該就可以領了嘛所以我現在請問這個事情透過個案我們希望沒有這個事情但確實它發生了是應該補發的應該這個確實啦好我先確認這個事情這就一個例子預算的延宕其實會導致 |
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人民福利取得的展延那展延會發生一些我們不想看到的變數另外一個例子是新興部會這個就雖然洪森漢這個影片很多跳舞的影片那個不是你啦但是這個是李洋的事情我們新興部會像這個 |
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運動部是一個新部會所以他很多計畫預算都是新編列的那個預算沒過其實我覺得運動部衝擊影響的其實應該是最大那我就要請教因為這樣的預算延宕近半個年度我們從8個月前編列就算最慢11月份復違都可以預期就算慢一點還是會通過 |
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運動部受到預算延宕審查有哪些影響我剛才講三個類別就沒有了或者執行成效時間縮短了成效預期會打縮水或者我本來要鼓勵選手的變成延後那個運動部這邊你們有沒有什麼說明我們現在事實上是努力的在補過去的一些計畫我知道你們很努力我們就很客觀的就是因為史上首次以前沒有發生過 |
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預算現在四月份不為審查就算順利審查三讀通過五月底大概這個會計年度過一半了你們不會受到什麼影響我們目前是在國際賽的那個地方事實上是比較慢的因為的確舉個例子 慢了什麼譬如說我們的國際賽我們就沒有辦法去辦當時為了以台灣為為名的一些國際賽事就沒有辦法辦你說在台灣舉辦的對對對我們最近不是有一件嗎像這個 |
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這個在新北市舉行的田徑的國際賽他就是因為這個預算出現了問題所以我的預算沒辦法到位嘛但是後來又 |
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建議說他可以用基金的方式來舉辦所以重新再向國際總會去申請他已經核准我們再辦這個就變成自己找自己麻煩嘛我們本來以台灣為名在新北要辦個田徑賽那預算延宕審查錢沒有到位就沒辦法辦那現在另外找裁員找基金那找基金你要回頭找國際授權舉辦的單位再回來一次嘛沒錯他已經核准幸好他已經核准他核准啦所以這叫展業啦他如果沒有核准就沒了耶是啊 |
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那我們有沒有一些選手的相關的計畫受到這個影響目前是還好因為我們原本的預算可以支應前半段用過去舊的可是因為我們擴大我們對選手的資源如果沒有把預算審查完我們沒有辦法擴大所以擴大的部分就沒有對可是現在就算預算通過已經過了半個年度了前面半年那個人生青春不能再回嘛 |
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所以你後面擴大也就後面半年我對運動部的要求是無論如何不要影響今年亞運賽所有的備賽的準備程序亞運賽除了選手之外還有行政作業院長這個宣示對穩定軍心很重要但是我要問院長的是 |
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這樣子的預算延宕審查你統籌全國政務在運動體育的部分有沒有影響當然有影響剛剛已經看到真正的影響了那是一個項目嘛有沒有其他相關的受到影響的部分我覺得要讓國人知道因為包括國際賽事除了這一項是日程已到其他地方是不敢下去籌備的對因為預算沒有過誰告訴你預算一定過沒有辦法籌備你現在就沒辦法籌備嘛 |
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哪怕七月份要辦的十月份要辦的你不能開始籌備那等到預算通過了延宕了這麼久你籌備也會了效啊你也只能簡化來處理這個是一個部分我在移到其實很多例子運動部這邊你就先請回今天李洋部長請假那個防災救災就剛才院長你有提到的防災救災的預算受到影響是什麼 |
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最重要就是汛期來了汛期來了很多的防水治水的預算雖然我們本來有一些可以用的但是要整個年度的發包大家還是不知道會不會我們歸人最有名的易淹水區域有一條叫做淹水溪有個提案我感謝我們水利署這個編列進去他那個提案編在新年度要做現在都不敢發包不敢弄就預算卡住啦卡住現在這個其實我這邊為什麼要列這個汛期的你知道嗎 |
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因為到五月六月進入汛期你就不能做啦你應該是去年通過不是來不及是根本連施工都沒辦法因為汛期沒辦法施工本來趕在五月汛期來臨前該做的提案該堆的沙包該做的水路要做處理那這預算沒有過好啦我們現在四月份大發慈悲了藍白讓你審查了就算五月份通過了進入汛期你發包也不能做啊然後這一年的颱風 |
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6 7 8 9靠運氣嗎所以這個影響其實很大委員非常的清楚我們要體諒所有的公務人員雖然我們有一些預算去年有的今年有的還是可以相當的比例可以來執行但是沒有人知道今年這筆預算會被刪除掉多少所以大家都是愛手愛腳就像那個718億不審查抽出來說這個讓你先花了那個佔總預算2%而已誰敢花 |
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誰知道審查的時候會被砍掉後來黨團協商說我們保證不砍那已經是多少個月以後了所以這種不正常的杯葛方式導致的我今天只舉這幾個例子福利設施國防治水防洪新興部會那個影響的不是政治上的衝擊不是當官的當部長的人受衝擊是扎扎實實在每個面向的人民在受害 |
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然後我們現在在審查了我不知道亡羊補牢有的來不及有的來得及我真的希望我們在立法院各委員會其實就不要太多的政治攻防該監督的監督但是不要太多的政治攻防因為一直延宕以治水防洪來講 |
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台灣現在這種極端氣候下台灣都是潛在的受災區以國防來講你沒有簽約誰告訴你過了幾個月人家還要賣你這個影響都很大的所以有關今年的颱風季節訊息要到我們院裡面有做什麼樣的準備現在預算都還沒有完全過我們還是把我們原來的系統性治水 |
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的過程已經安排計畫的去年延續到現在還是持續的進行下去但今年我們新增的這個四年一千億的這個縣市館河川的改善工程今年有五百多億 今年有六十多億縣市館的 中央館三十幾億 總共一百億都沒辦法用那個廣播長上來啦你腦海裡面現在沒有哪一條例子就是本來要做了預算現在嚴當嘛 所以只好暫緩 |
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所以本來今年初發包可以做固定的提案或者防洪治水的設施現在只好要等汛期過年底再來做的有沒有這樣個案原來都已經跟地方政府談好有幾條溪水就是縣市管河川的部分包括中南部地區包括雲林以南的事實上都有談好的但是因為這個預算被 |
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就是沒有辦法審議所以就沒有辦法去施作你能不能講幾條我不是跟他客氣啦 講得出來講哪幾條戲我可能要大概就好了你要具體啊 民眾才會感覺說我們到旁邊那條K本來對我們跟地方政府說好預算到位就要做了現在還沒做預算延宕啊沒辦法做啊你有沒有具體的戲其實具體化民眾感受會比較直接啦 |
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這個水利署可以把資料完整的送出來我覺得可以公佈 你就公佈本來中央那地方協力嘛中央那地方其實沒有什麼黨派之分我記得宜蘭也有 南部都有就是中南部這邊溪流原來都是協調好 預算到位就要做了現在因為預算延宕所以只好延後 延後現在遇到汛期不能做又要一延延到九月十月以後這個影響其實其實有時候我很難想像萬一的時候 |
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影響很大所以我建議我們經濟部這個其實可以整理出來民眾要了解否則我跟你講我們接下來九月份 |
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又要審下個年度的會不會再發生這樣的事情沒有人知道 希望不會啦沒有人會知道所以我第一個希望剛剛委員第一個拿出的那個表那個那張表格只此一次不再有下次我們還是正常的進行再來針對今年的總預算我在上禮拜的院會我已經拜託我們所有部會首長做好錯誤的準備來說明剛好經濟部長也在這邊其實我最後半分鐘要問的跟剛才范雲委員在關線是一樣 |
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因為我們這2026年度的預算是8個月前開始編列的那時候沒辦法預測到現在波斯灣的情形那穩定油價、電價、水費這些叫物價之母也就是很多人說發現金就好其實你去穩定物價、油價帶給人民節省省下來的其實會更多啦我們現在預算準備是否足夠就現在這預算巴韓委員我們就是這一次的這個包括台電也好或中油吸收的部分我們大概有準備了一些資料 |
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好 謝謝謝謝王委員 謝謝左院長下一位 請林德福委員質詢 |
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謝謝大會主席江副院長是不是請卓院長還有財政部長以及內政部長卓院長、莊部長還有內政部長請備詢 |
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林委員好陳院長你好陳院長其實這段時間我在立法院也算資深的我希望你身為全國的最高行政首長要把經濟擺第一而且 |
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兩岸要和平要求所有行政官員甚至於從政的人要清廉國家才有希望這是最基本最基本你都知道那因為我想這段時間因為本席一直認為說我們立法院通過的一些三讀的法案 |
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當然行政院你到最後就是互議不然就不互贖不然就釋憲等等講實在話 |
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我們是希望說你怎麼將這些法案你要是說有疑義有問題可以做進一步的來探討用這種方式才造成說今天我們有一些本來年度應該要通過的預算到現在為止還在拉扯為什麼我相信你們應該要好好的去檢討我不希望說你 |
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那種操作方式有一點變成說我可以為所欲為你是全國最高行政首長胡國立民是你應該要做的那其實這些所通過的法案第一個你很清楚嘛剛剛黃孟愷有問過 |
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軍人加薪為什麼現在很多軍人他們不願意當兵不願意做這個就是職業軍人都有問題嘛而且你很多那些已經退休的軍公教你來停砍他的每一年砍 |
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來砍他的年金然後等等啦我相信你也很清楚啦那其實這些問題是應該可以做溝通怎麼做最理想那其實退休以後的這些不管是警察、警消、公務人員其實 |
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他們退休越久年紀越長他們發揮的費用越多第一個要申聘要看醫生第二個要請外傭你要是說我今天年改我針對未來你要新進的人員那我們OK可以支持但是你不能說我們台灣的話叫做後怕是在講話對不對我相信你很清楚 |
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當初要年改的時候是軍公教勞為什麼只砍軍公教勞為什麼每年補我不是說勞補不好問題是軍公教為國家付出多少但是退休以後你再來砍他的年金 |
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對不對 啊勞一直撥補你說這些軍公教包括警察、警消他們作何感想因為勞工的所得一向偏低再調整的話生活更痛苦我是希望說 一定將心比心啦是我們今天如果說你只有台軍公教、警察、警消退休之後再去台你今天如果做一個軍人也好做一個警察也好 |
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你作何感想?你也覺得說為什麼退休之後再來給他抬?兩句話 第一個年改是為了讓現職的公務員未來可以有一個安定的生活跟退休可以過第二個再怎麼年改的調整不會影響到已經退休公務員他的生活物價一直在漲 |
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你每年砍他年金第一點接下來他年紀越長他經常要看醫生要看病要花錢再來要請外傭花費的越多你又砍他年金你要是說今天我立了法以後針對未來我們可以支持 |
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那我們從對高齡者的各種社會福利政府也一直在加碼在支持那個會有一些相對性的那個院長那是兩碼事你不能針對已經退休的公務人員跟警察減輕高齡者的負擔做了很多的工作所以替代率降低到60%這個是當時 |
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年改的一個做法也經過釋憲他並沒有任何的問題現在持續的往下走就是這個樣子那我們認為國家的經濟環境在調整如何來反映整個物價波動的是可以討論的如果這個大家可以有理性討論在這個國家財政的永續經營上我們認為兩院可以好好來討論這個事情 |
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我是希望院長這方面你真的要好好的探討因為我認為要公平公正客觀合理讓大家能夠接受我接下來請內政部跟財政部因為我們永和有一個行政園區有一個公辦都跟在內政部已經卡關多年 |
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本期是希望說今年六月前內政部都市計畫委員要卸任以前能夠有一個結果因為好幾年了在行政園區進行都更是公辦的那預計使用我們永和一條水源街是國軍戰務中心作為臨時的一個中繼的一個辦公場所 |
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那本席在去年有開過一個會刊那在會刊的時候國防部軍備局跟財政部國產署都同意只要新北提出分歧架構那其實新北現在也提出他們願意來分歧架構本席是希望說財政部跟國防部能夠承諾在新北市要提出只要提出需求 |
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那這個來分級編列那這個財政部跟那個國防部這邊來配合那個部長國防部嗎對啊不是啦財政部啊委員您提的那個永和園區那個新北市政府要做架構因為就我所知那一塊土地應該是國防部 |
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原來列為的引改基金的資產那這個部分如果地方政府有需用的話我們會在符合法令的情況下來做辦理對啊他已經要編列啊你們要配合啊啊那個都更公辦都更那個部長公辦都更的程序啊對啊那個已經好久了不會因為都市計畫委員變更而有變更所以按照公辦都更的程序我們還是會按照那為什麼拖那麼久呢部長 |
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我剛剛財政部長已經有跟您報告過了公辦都更規公辦都更規跟這個園區是沒有關係跟這個他現在要做行政園區的這個這個完全脫鉤不一樣 |
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因為他那個是就是國防部的賬戶中心他那是要徵收但是他那個公辦都更是永和區公所旁邊的分局國務紀念館包括後面所有的土地大概差不多應該有兩千多坪有而且已經提出N次了啦你們到現在為止都沒有都沒有一個下文沒有一個結果 |
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我們會按照公辦都更的程序來辦理如果你認為會拖延的話我們再來查一下說真正的原因是出在什麼地方對啊 因為你一拖再拖又拖我是希望說在競技裡面應該有一個結果給當地的民眾有一個交代好不好 |
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那本席也關心國土永續發展基金這個整個預算編列的情形115年將移撥101億元來達成法定的目標那國土計畫實施後10年 |
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這個移撥總額不得低於新台幣五百億元那在五百億撥補達標後請問內政部長未來一一六年國土永續發展基金撥補金額是否會大幅度的降低會不會很有可能跟委員報告那個國土計畫法其實已經在立法院通過要往後連六年嘛所以國土計畫是屬於基金預算的話他未來的這個實施呢那計畫大概會大幅的減低 |
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聽聞說116年起內政部要把自來水費、電費、額外收取國土資源永續的利用費本實際是希望說行政院要考量民生物價做好對外的溝通部長你有沒有針對這方面的一個想法 |
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報告委員到目前為止我沒有聽過這樣的說法因為無論怎麼樣你要徵收任何經費這個是屬於一定要經過很多的審議的程序絕對不是行政部門單一說法說過了就過了一定不可能這麼的希望如此一定會審慎來辦理 |
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根據立法院預算中心的資料內政部數位升溫證政策到一一四年七月底已投入金額七億七千萬那政策行卡後扣除已經支付設備之折舊費用 |
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那我請院長這邊說明數位升溫證的政策換花計畫是我會繼續下去 院長 |
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過去研議一段時間因為社會上有各種不同的意見所以這個是停下來了不過我還是認為按照整個科技的進步跟整個我們需要引入更多的科技的服務未來不時成為一個必須再重新考量的一個過程 |
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當然當中過去大家提到的這個人權、個資等等的保護因為有更好的技術來做防護我們應該有好的能力所以我覺得這個部分是有必要在廣聽各界的意見應該要有往這個方向走的一個想法才對那我要請問115年資印中央印製廠於暫緩期間維護會用的編列4875萬元預計未來還要再編多少年 |
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難道每年都要這樣編嗎我希望就是不要每年這樣編 |
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那關於這個長照特別扣除額12萬元今年提高到18萬許多長照家庭還是覺得講實在話政府照顧不足根據勞動部調查外籍家庭看護工這個平均的薪資是2.4萬元一年下來長照家庭至少要288,000 |
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那為了讓長照家庭有更多喘息的資源本席我是希望卓院長這個勞動部、衛福部要要求他們包括財政部要檢討2028年以前提出修法的版本將長照特別扣除額應該要提高到28萬因為事實上就是最少要28萬 |
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對不對 它有那個支付你又不讓它做專門控制現在委員讓我們有討論的空間因為從12萬調高18萬已經增加了50%但是人家確實有需要啊對 我們可以從其他方向一直在增加整個對長照的一些費用我們也可以來做但是一下子增加這麼多必須考慮到國家的財政能力 這倒是真的不能在這裡老是一個案子出來就砰很大 |
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我們認為對長照的照顧我們現在已經長照3.0 1153億相當多了那我們會認為該增加的還是要增加那必須檢討過去這1000多億使用的內容我們合理的來做適度的調整那其實齁有的不是一個家庭只有請一個外籍照顧照顧公民因為有時候他父親母親都臨場了 |
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結果他是請兩位你一樣是讓他扣這樣子講實在話我們是根據務實的你像我們的基本工資調整幾乎都是給外勞因為本國的勞資勞工幾乎都是比那個高一些結果都是調到外勞真正都是外勞受益本勞他幾乎都是你一樣有啊我調到三萬三萬幾乎都是都是外勞拿走本來就有超過三萬 |
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對不對委員並不是都指甲外本勞其實蠻多也在基本工資附近所以調基本工資對本勞尤其是低薪的本勞多數啦 |
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多數 因為你調越高外勞當然越高興啦對不對那個我另外再齁 近年那個毒價事件頻傳為了嚇阻喪屍煙彈的犯案法務部於113年11月改為二級的毒品根據尿液篩檢的資料顯示113年一共檢出有2779件114年檢出2萬 |
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零七百二十七件包括一一五年一月就檢出了兩千零六十四件那據瞭解台灣境內的上市煙彈原料絕大都是從印度那是不是請法務部要加強 |
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跟印度合作杜絕這些毒品與境外因為你要是沒有這樣做的話包括像二級毒品、大麻等等也都一直在甚至有九成台灣民眾反對大麻合法化部長你們有沒有什麼看法因為你總不能說那個毒越來越猖獗然後你們都沒有拿出方法來 |
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跟委員報告 那個大碼絕對不會給他合法化那個也是一個加強我們那個查緝重點的一個安具企圖方案的一個重點查緝的一個項目那這個這部分 集結大碼這部分我們在有白領階級有一個使用的一個現象那我想這部分我們會用專案的來查緝來遏制 |
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我是希望說這些毒品都泛濫會造成很多社會上的問題因為我們經常看到電視像有很多吸了毒以後人家在斑馬線上把人家撞死這種狀況比比皆是一定要杜絕還緩緩如何來處理好謝謝林委員謝謝左院長下一位請陳英委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,麻煩請院長以及經濟部長主計長 |
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等一下主席我問一下因為剛剛我有觀察那個林德福委員質詢的時候都等那個所有官員上來才開始計時好那 |
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在今年1月 主席總署依照2024年在野黨所提出的財化法修正內容公布新的財力分級 台東從第五級被調升為第一級當時我和我們台東縣長饒慶林聽到都非常的錯愕 |
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我們台東這幾年並沒有挖到石油也沒有挖到鑽石沒有挖到金礦可是我們財力一直都相當吃緊的這個台東卻搖身一變變成和台北市一樣的財力等級我們大家都感到非常的不可思議 |
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那財化法這一次它只依照人口還有土地面積去試算分配的稅款沒有考慮到土地管理的成本也沒有納入縣市基礎建設還有歷史投資的發展情形所以導致整個財力分級的結果 |
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就是說跟我們的現實狀況有非常嚴重的落差台東的地形狹長從北到南總共有176公里但是我們在這176公里當中我們只有一家的區域醫院而已也就是我們的台東馬街台東我們沒有高鐵 |
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沒有捷運也沒有高速公路但是我們有最多的颱風還有地震以及土石流所以不論是在醫療 交通還有教育等等還有所有的基礎建設上我們台東其實都遠遠不及其他西部的縣市更別說我們跟台北是把它畫上等號了 |
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現在被列為跟台北市同樣的財力對台東來說我們既吃緊又是一個很荒謬的狀況在我們台東財力被迫調為第一級之後支應政策計畫的自籌經費大幅的提升我們來看一下以衛福部、交通部這九個計畫為例社會安全網、身心障礙者服務 |
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以及育嬰長照改善人行道安全提升生活圈道路等等這是我們所有民眾直接最有感的最直接的政策那麼在財化法之前台東縣 |
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只要自籌負擔2.4億元但是在財化法之後呢自籌款暴增到14.7億元整整增加了12億之多那以台東的財政狀況根本就無力負擔那我們再來看喔在上個月的3月25號呢 |
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特別就是我和莊瑞雄委員也安排了我們饒慶寧縣長針對的這九項計畫拜會了衛福部、交通部那也非常感謝池崇良部長還有陳士凱部長協助我們台東來解決這個困境所以今天本席在這裡在針對台東的治水經費還有民生用水的經費來特別請託各位幫忙我想在這邊舉幾個例子 |
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在去年山陀兒颱風期間我們台東太馬里溪水暴增京豐鄉一度緊急撤村如果沒有及時的應變我們搞不好會跟花蓮馬灘一樣真的很不敢想像 |
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而且我們再來看這個太平溪的狀況太平溪是縣管河川那在這個影響的範圍它不會只有台東市而已它還包括了卑南鄉那在去年7月當那次颱風入侵青台的時候太平溪的水位我們去看其實已經逼近整個這個堤防的高度了那整體情勢也相當的危急 |
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所以在不久前呢我和饒敬寧縣長有特別到現場去關心整個疏峻的進度目前我們已經清除了61萬立方公尺的沙石那經費也花了1.5億元那是這個 |
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我想這些都是救命錢而且是非常需要中央的協助那我們在這個台東治水的相關建設上不管是這個蓄水防洪或者是排水各項的基礎設施都遠遠不及台北市 |
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但是在財化法修正之後我們財力被活生生的跟台北市畫上等號之後台東在治水相關的這些計畫當中竟然拿到中央補助是零一毛錢都沒有這是非常不合理的情形 |
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我們再看一下這張是達仁鄉我們的新興社部落他們為了爭取自來水鹽管整整努力了9年雖然後來有獲得水利署2500萬元的補助可是工程卻一再的流標前後高達了8次在歷經種種的困難之下我們 |
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才终于完成了这个部分的问题那我们也再多举一个例子我们看到来到泰玛里的多良龙部落 |
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過去這裡並沒有穩定的水可以使用那因為條件它不符這個嚴管申請的規定只能依賴簡易自來水的系統那這些簡易自來水的系統不管是這個設施建置的前後甚至這個後續的這些維運都需要政府來持續投入這個經費的協助 |
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所以我們回到這個名山用水的這個整體情況來看台北市的自來水普及率高達99.83%幾乎是百分百了那幾乎全面覆蓋反觀我們台東只有83%點多是在全國縣市裡面是倒數第三名 |
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像這個自來水鹽管或者是簡易自來水補助在台北市根本就不會出現這樣的需求所以對台東來說卻是最基本也是最關鍵的民生支持我相信我們台東人跟台北人一樣都配自來都應該要配有這個自來水來使用 |
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那在這個治水跟民生用水的建設我們今天花很長時間我把那個整個脈絡都交代得很清楚在財化法之前台東只需要負擔一千多萬可是在財化法之後台東需要負擔的金額變成五億多 |
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所以不論是治水民生用水的經費我們台東都非常需要中央的協助所以今天特別在這裡懇請院長幫幫忙因為這些建設對我們園鄉整個台東其實 |
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都特別原鄉都是非常重要建設所以我們是不是可以依照這個中央對直轄縣市的政府的補助辦法的規定來把它列為原住民族重要建設計畫讓補助也都可以維持原來的比例 |
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首先跟委員報告 依照現在今年這個現行的財化法中央的統籌分配稅款多給地方撥給地方4165億那以台東來看 台東今年的中央 台東 給台東多少208億 去年是60億 前一年是60億所以這一年是增加了140億增加140億那為什麼會從第5 升為第1級 |
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就在這裡因為財化法的計算就是剛剛委員提到的他用人口啦土地啦這樣來算沒有把土地的管理成本把人口的結構都算進去用這樣的來算會讓土地燎原浮擴的這個台東增加很多所以現在的財化法是不公平的院版提出的財化法大院等會來審查那就不會產生這樣的結果 |
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但是我們現在今年必須依照現行的財發法那在地方台東多了140億的中央統籌分配稅款的情況底下剛剛委員所說到的那個治水它是三年五億的經費一年大概1.7億 |
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14347.898 |
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那供水也是幾千萬甚至有些供水的計畫是台水在做的那如果同樣的條件一年增加140億的中央統籌分配稅款但是治水的一年的1.7億由地方來負擔我想是院長其實我了解知道您今天一定會這樣回答 |
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14369.564 |
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14388.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
唯一的答案這個回答我其實都有掌握好多可以預期但是我要提一下就是說其實在台東我們一個颱風來之後可能還沒處理完後面又好幾個颱風又接續一直來可能前面清了可能也有可能做白宮 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14388.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14414.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
但是我還要再提一個概念就是說台中整個我們縱觀整個醫療交通還有各項建設的這個還有的補助政策的推動其實不是說這一年多給我們一百多億我們可以立刻就迎頭趕上其他的縣市或者跟台北畫上等號因為我們是長年累積長年累積我們如果真的要量化你每年用這個一百多億你去給他算 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
14415.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14431.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
加起來這幾十年的落後也是快要上百兆幾十兆上百兆的落後了所以我想以這個我想用整個的這個概念方向去看我還是希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
14433.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14451.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
院長我們不要只看部會提供的標準現在的裁划法是不公平的我們要努力把它讓院版的裁划法如果能夠實施就不會產生這樣的現象中央就會保留比較大的彈性跟能力來協助地方做均衡的發展 |
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14451.53 |
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14469.781 |
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好所以我希望既然有這個不公平的現象那我們在這個中央對直轄縣市的這個政府補助辦法的第三條他還有一個彈性就是不管是零幣性質或環保設施工程或者是原住民重要建設計畫以及這個專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
14473.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14491.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
這個經行政院核准這邊有一個彈性空間那我希望既然是一個不公平的前提我就希望依據這個規定我們來給台東來開一個可以救命的彈性空間這個方向我們可不可以往這個方向來處理 |
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14493.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14515.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
這個我請主席長來說明中央是有一些調解的能力是 跟委員報告我們像今年的話115年我們就是原則上會保障就是說你各項補助包括一般性的補助包括統籌分配稅加起來三項不低於114年度所以這裡面你如果說 |
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14516.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14538.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
以各項加起來低於114年度的總額度我們會再幫你補助所以這個部分這是第一個那第二個原民的部分當然是有比較特殊考量但是問題就是說還是要看你自有裁員的一個能力這個部分來做一個斟酌所以究竟是不是能夠再特別給補助就是會有一些條件的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14540.42 |
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14561.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
所以這個部分我們還是希望說整個如果說我們整個一個財務合法的整個一個修正委員會裡面這裡面來支持我們就是每個部會都希望就是說也非常感謝石崇洋部長跟我們的交通部長可以一起就是說了解然後他們有些盤點 |
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14562.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14585.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
有協助我們跟縣府一起盤點那我想這樣的空間我們一起來努力那我另外還有兩個問題就是說那個我們組織長可以先請回接下來我們請那個衛福部然後經濟部長請留步衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14589.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14601.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
1982年是政府這一年很特別是政府沒有告知蘭嶼島上居民來欺騙島嶼族人將近10萬桶的核廢料把它運送到蘭嶼去後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14604.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14621.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
藍嶼作為核廢料儲存地對於藍嶼居民的整個健康文化環境造成非常嚴重的影響破壞了他們的傳統生活方式跟環境我想這一段歷史對於達物族人的傷害目前仍然在持續當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
14623.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14643.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
雖然當時不是我們執政但是針對蘭嶼居民的健康問題政府是一體的所以政府本來就應該要重視而且我們要持續來負起這個責任並且提供協助但是我想在此之前我先請教院長從1982年到現在請問院長總共做過幾次健檢對 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
14648.922 |
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14655.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
那我要查一下健保快意通好那沒關係那8年內這8年內或這近4年您做過幾次健檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
14659.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14677.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
對 起碼超過一次吧有有有但是我們政府在2018年間賴清德總統擔任行政院長的時候通過這個蘭嶼居民健康檢查服務只有一次性而已所以距離現在已經相隔8年了那在去年5月我在這裡提出質詢的時候院長當時有指示說 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14682.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14705.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
這是你說的啦齁那時候你當院長你說那個健檢健檢不能忽略那會責請相關單位設法支應經費立刻執行但是一年過去了齁我一直在這裡追蹤這個案件那這次健檢規劃的經費大概是9000萬元左右本席是很擔心啦說是不是因為總預算一直沒審啊所以蘭嶼居民的健檢一直都沒有好消息 |
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14706.394 |
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14715.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
所以到底是怎麼樣沒有問題它經費來源是核貨團基金來支應的那這個整個案子我們報告行政院應該很快就會核了 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
14748.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14748.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
14751.821 |
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14768.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
好消息喔 馬上就知道可以來那同樣一樣是去年五月初齁那本期在縣政院長討論新建藍營醫院的事情那時候院長有表明說土地的問題解決就編列相關地位然後完成新建 |
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14769.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14796.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
那新建藍庭院的計畫不會在7月10月的時候出現目前這個國發會長塔巴周那目前大概就是用地會議只有這個用地會議那這個院在哪裏包含公共會議的時候新建庭院的基地實施的時候這很快是有力那來與香港無形的相反就是說不會是用架構第一的方式都會進來這就三十年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14825.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
目前新建來的醫院已經在活發廢了那如果中央病院解決新建來的醫院的疏暴情形現狀有沒有相關的疏暴那就是開始規劃還有那個架構組織做什麼來解決肯定死亡的問題解決之後其他的一些一般心理的情況如果順利預計 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
14829.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14850.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
好 謝謝謝謝陳委員 謝謝卓院長法院會115年度中央政府總預算案之質詢均已詢答完畢謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席答詢做以下之決定一 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
14852.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14880.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
115年度中央政府總預算案含附屬單位預算及重計表營業及非營業部分交財政委員會依分配表及日程分送各委員會審查二將各委員會將各委員發言紀錄及書面質詢含送行政院請就未答覆部分予以書面答覆三已刊登之書面質詢尚未 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
14881.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14891.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
登載公報者一律補登另外依協商結論本次會議不處理臨時提案抱怨會本次會議進行到此為止現在散會 |