| IVOD_ID |
17342 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17342 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T08:37:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T12:39:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:01:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e8268fc46ae4529b1f4f454d813b03fa2847b9569dcea103d59ada8a4f6623ef45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:37:50 - 12:39:00 |
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我們今天開始我們第五個會期財政委員會第七次的全體委員會的會議程序請主任秘書報告出席委員的人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數好我們現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次的會議記錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會第六次全體委員會議實錄時間中華民國一百一十五年三月三十日星期一九十至十二時十二分地點七仙樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福等十四人 第七委員葛如君等七人第七官員中央銀行總裁楊金榮暨所屬單位主管財經資訊股份有限公司董事長林國良主席吳昭吉委員秉瑞 |
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報告事項 依宣讀上次會議事錄決定議事錄確定而邀請中央銀行楊總裁金榮率所屬單位主管及財經資訊股份有限公司董事長列協會報告並備資訊經中央銀行總裁楊金榮提出報告後即由委員林德甫等16人提出資訊均經中央銀行總裁楊金榮財經資訊股份有限公司董事長林國良及所屬相關人員予以答覆決定一 報告信訊答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊 |
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請中央銀行一週內已書面答覆委立要期期限者從期鎖定三案委員陳冠廷所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報並請中央銀行已書面答覆宣讀完畢好請問各位委員對上次的議事錄有沒有意見好那我們就確定議事錄議事錄確定那請議事委員宣讀今天的議程 |
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邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長出資中央銀行國家發展委員會經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長衛生福利部法務部就中央 |
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即作中東衝突對能源物價民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討即因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安院性特別預算執行情形進行專題報告並備諮詢宣讀完畢好那我們就開始來介紹我們今天在現場的委員跟所有來參與的官員第一位吳秉瑞委員 |
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第二位 林德福委員謝謝 因為我們今天的議題非常重要所以今天來練習的官員也非常多讓我一一來做介紹我們行政院主計總處的主計長 陳淑珠陳淑珠第二位 公務預算處的處長 許處長謝謝我們基金預算處的潘處長 |
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歡迎您我們統計處綜合統計處的蔡處長謝謝我們會計決算處的許處長歡迎您我們央行的副總裁嚴中大嚴副總裁我們國發會的副主委高副主委歡迎您謝謝我們經濟發展處的副處長立副處長歡迎您 |
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還有我們經濟部的賴長賜 歡迎您我們國營事業管理司的司長胡司長 歡迎您還有我們非常重要大家關注的能源署副署長今天也在陳副署長 謝謝 歡迎您我們綜合規劃司的許副司長 歡迎您我們產發署的陳副署長 歡迎您 |
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我們國際貿易署的楊組長 歡迎您我們商業發展署的劉副署長 歡迎您我們產業技術司的周副司長 歡迎您 謝謝還有我們中小及新創企業署的戴副署長 歡迎您我們投資審議司的蘇代理司長 |
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好這以上是經濟部的部分我們台電今天是總經理來參與我們今天的專案報告王總經理我們中油的董事長方董事長辛苦了方董事長還有我們衛福部的林靜怡政務次長 |
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謝謝 歡迎您我們食藥署的副署長王副署長歡迎您 謝謝我們中央健保署的戴釵益歡迎您我們社家署的魏檢任視察歡迎您還有我們社會救濟司社公司的王檢任視察歡迎您還有我們法務部檢察司的張司長歡迎您 謝謝 |
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好這以上是我們今天來參與列席的所有的官員以上我們等一下專案報告因為我們今天來的非常多但是有今天的議題關注的委員也非常多所以我們今天的專案報告我就邀請三位來做專案報告說明第一位是請我們陳主席長第二位是請我們 |
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央行的副總裁第三位是請我們經濟部的次長賴次長那現在等一下的答詢每位委員是8分鐘必要時可以好那我們現在就開始做答詢好那我們現在先請我們主席長來做說明 |
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主席、各位委員、女士、先生今天應邀到第十一屆第五會期貴委員會第七次全體委員會議就中通衝突對能源、物價、民生和醫療物資、供應和市場秩序之中長程影響 |
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與因應檢調及因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國民及民生國安任性特別預算執行請請提出專案報告自感榮幸請就本總處主管的部分提出簡要說明第一個中東衝突對物價的一個影響今年二月美伊戰爭以來三月OPEC的油價大幅上漲到116.4元 |
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成長約7成增加廠商生產和物流的成本可能間次降價到終端產品提升通膨的壓力以本總署的模擬如果在其他因素不變國際油價上漲10%業者繼續完成完全轉嫁之下CPI將增加0.24個百分點 |
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但是因為我們採行雅林最低價還有油價平穩的措施等採汽油雙緩漲機制減緩油價上漲對國內物價衝擊因此我們影響這是0.24是視為上限本身整個擴大油價平穩機制它有效減緩國際油價上漲對國內物價的一個衝擊所以如果持續 |
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我們除了除息推行汽油酸仿藏機制之外並搭配專案的仿藏機制所以本身還有延長關鍵性5M物料的減增稅務措施擴大汽柴油的一個減增的貨物稅的減增幅度50%所以已經有希望降低國內物價所受的一個衝擊那以3月份的CPI比2月份成長的部分呢 |
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6.5%僅國際油價漲幅71.4%的一個9%那所以第一季的CPI因政府擴大油價平穩機制及整體食物類價格走穩所以年增1.23% |
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1863.735 |
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1887.565 |
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低於二月份預測的1.38那我們將會後續關注後續的一個暫時的發展在五月下旬來更新更新我們新全年度的一個物價預測那第二個是中央政府因應國際強勢社會及民生民生國安任性特別預算執行情形那總經費是5,447億 |
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1890.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1901.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那這個部分分配數是3042億好那到115年3月31日它執行數是2908億那佔96%那按照機關別預算的一個編列和執行數可以看後面的一個付表依內政部編列預算數112億執行15億元主要是辦理老宅延壽金融復興計劃等 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1920.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1934.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
國防部主管編列1081億執行數400億主要是辦理軍民之通作為環境韌性和設備一個效能提升的計劃等三財政部主管編列預算數2500億主要是執行數是2367億主要是辦理 |
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1939.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1948.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
補花現金還有一些企業貿易融資利息減息減息等那教育部補助編列預算數199億那執行數是16億元主要是辦理提升大專院校 |
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1955.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1970.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
效務經營補助等經濟部主管編列461億執行數65億主要是協助受美國關稅政策影響的製造業者調整體質提升產業競爭力等勞動部編列預算數250億執行數113億主要是撥補勞工保險基金然後辦理政府部門公共服務上工專案等 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1980.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1984.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
農業部主管編列19190億元執行數57億主要是強化農漁業外銷冷凍體系獎勵業者拓展美國高端外銷市場等 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1993.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2016.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
八 衛生福利部主管編列預算360億執行273億主要是撥補全體健康保險基金等九 海洋委員會主管編列預算數295億執行數1億元主要是辦理海域徵收及巡航裝備構建等那第二個我們會加速執行相關有關的計劃提升預算的一個執行績效 |
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2021.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2039.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以這個部分呢以上報告我們敬請各位委員女士先生指教祝福大家健康快樂萬事如意謝謝謝謝陳主席長做的專題報告接下來第二位邀請我們央行的副總裁嚴副總裁進行專案報告說明簡短謝謝 |
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2045.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2060.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
主席各位委員以下請就央行的部分提出報告那第一點我們看到受到中東戰事的干擾國際原油等大宗物產品的價格上漲全球通膨率上升的風險升溫請翻到下一頁 |
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2061.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2081.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我們也列示了最近幾個國際機構均警示本次能源危機的情勢嚴峻我們要以審慎因應潛在的衝擊這邊有IEA OECD IMF和世界銀行的觀點提供大家參考第二點中東站是推升了國際原物料價格也帶動了國內進口物價走升 |
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2084.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2102.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
為目前我們看到輸入性通貨膨脹壓力仍屬可控今年1到3月以美元計價的進口物價年增率是4.31為受到去年同期新台幣對美元升值的影響以新台幣計價的進口物價增幅縮小為0.33輸入性通貨膨脹目前我們認為還屬可控中東戰事以來國際美元走強新台幣 |
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2115.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2123.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
對美元匯率趨變那央行有在外匯市場調節以穩定新台幣匯率將有助於減緩輸入性通貨膨脹下一頁 |
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2125.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2144.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
第三點我們要強調是政府以採取供給面的措施來緩解對國內物價的衝擊有助於減緩國內通膨壓力我們看到今年一到三月平均的CPI年增率是1.23顯示我們的目前通貨情勢仍屬溫和下一頁 |
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2145.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2169.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
第四點目前我們對今年的CPI年增率預測值為1.80國內通膨漲萬人數溫和不過未來若國際油價大幅度上升國內通膨漲萬上行的風險亦將升高下一頁最後是報告的結論部分本行將密切關注中東戰事相關的變化情勢適時採取妥適的貨幣政策因應謝謝 |
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2171.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2178.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
好 我們謝謝嚴副總裁的專題報告接下來我請第三位我們經濟部的次長賴次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2189.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2213.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
主席 主委委員 大家好今天承蒙委員會的邀請就本專案報告提出報告如下敬請各位委員不吝視教有關中東衝突對能源物價民生及醫療物資供應及市場秩序中長期的影響跟因應檢討首先看到能源的部分能源的供應是經濟部的重要工作而我國的能源多為進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2214.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2225.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
所以對氣柴油、天然氣、桶裝瓦斯、電力等我們目前採取的作為如下以氣柴油、天然氣、桶裝瓦斯的部分因應中東局勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2227.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2243.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我們在今年的3月2日立即成立了能源應變小組追蹤國際油氣市場動態的變化並關注國內各項能源庫存跟使用狀況分析目前各項能源儲備均高於法規標準國內庫存充足 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2245.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2260.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
而經濟部也與國內兩大石油公司建立緊密的聯絡網全面盤點受影響的航班規劃改由鴻海出口貨至非中東地區增購現貨以補足缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2261.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2290.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那另外為穩定物價的一個政策中友已經啟動了啞鈴最低價跟專案平穩的機制力求汽柴油價格還漲同時在四月份民生用天然氣跟統裝瓦斯價格皆不調漲以照顧民生並穩定國內的物價在電力的部分經濟部也責成台電公司研擬因應方案強化機組的運轉維護合理調度跟需求面的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2291.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2294.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
而為利民生物價的穩定及產業競爭力經濟部電價審議委員會已決議4月 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2299.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2321.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
的電價是不調整的那至於塑化產品的部分受美伊衝突的影響至今年的二月二十八號開始中東的情勢的升級所以引發相關國內塑化產業鏈的一個供需的平衡造成市場的一個疑慮那鑑於此種情勢我們採取幾項措施第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2322.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2344.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
是擴大上中油業者的擴大生產中油公司為滿足石化下油業者對原料的緊急需求林園的第四青椰烈節廠已在3月31日提前開爐以息每月的供應量從原先的6萬公噸提升到4月的7.9萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2346.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2370.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
再加上台塑化4月份的產量9萬噸那4月份的總產量將達到16.9萬噸足供內需使用並優先滿足國內中下游廠商的需求至於在下游業者的擴大產量的部分經濟部推出了塑膠袋的評價專案由中游公司專案提供5000噸的評價乙烯再由台塑自產供應評價的乙烯 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2376.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2398.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
然後製造相對平價的這個塑膠袋這個專案可增加12.5億的一斤塑膠袋的一個產量快速的提供商圈跟市場的一個需求至於在通路業者的穩定供貨的部分我們已經協調了小北跟鎮宇五金通路全力的供應塑膠製品若有欠缺的狀況經濟部也會協調塑膠 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2402.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2420.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
帶的製造供應商供應並滾動式的檢討供需的狀況那除此之外經濟部也針對於1033次的市場跟350個商圈的需求緊急媒合附近的這個通路那就這個整個塑膠袋的供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2422.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2437.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
而促成平穩至於對於原物料供應的通報網跟缺料的這個煤核的專線的部分我們也設置了缺料的煤核專線然後以提供製造業煤核石化料源的供料服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2439.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2465.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
此外經濟部也透過跨部會的部分強化查處二指不法配合跨部會的物價聯合稽查小組的運作與法務部跟公平會等部會共同辦理違規稽查作業防範不法業者趁機囤積或荒台物價至於在因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國防任性特別預算的執行的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2467.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2484.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
為了協助國內產業因應美國關稅衝擊,編列了460億元相關特別預算支持產業的四項措施第一項措施是外銷貸款優惠加碼,目前中小企業每家可申請到6000萬元保證額度,保證成數達到9.5成 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2488.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2503.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
全額減免保證的手續會最長兩年到目前為止已經承保了57件承保融資的金額達到4.93億元此外對中小微企業多元發展專案貸款的這個需求提供最高3500萬的貸款額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2505.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2526.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
利率的上限在於2.22的百分點那其中貸款的金額在1000萬以內的那利率更是減少到1.5%那期間最長6個月到目前為止我們核貸的金額已經達到103.5億元已經核准了1153件此外第三個是促進產業的福島轉型的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2535.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2561.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
然後提供受影響的製造業研發創新及設備汰換補助個案的補助最高500萬元產業的聯盟最高4000萬元到目前為止我們協助了787家的業者補助的金額34.3億元其中以金屬機電業最多歧視為民生化工業那最後我們在爭取海外的訂單的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2563.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2575.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
單億企業補助最高500萬元兩家以上的聯合申請最高2000萬元補助的標的包括與海外設展示中心服務中心跟花貨倉庫等實體據點到目前為止我們已經協助了2750家的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2581.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2609.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
及290家工協會補助金額達到20.6億元依照行政組織總署在4月份公布的最新消費者物價指數年增率為1.23低於原來預測的1.38顯示政府實施各項平穩措施有效減緩國際油價上漲對CPI的影響以上報告敬請指教並祝各位委員身體健康萬事如意 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2612.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2635.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
好 謝謝我們經濟部的次長賴次長所做的專題報告我們現在開始答詢先做一下宣告每位初席委員發言時間8分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘每位列席委員發言時間4分鐘我們今天是上午10點截止發言登記現在請第一位林德福委員開始質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2645.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2673.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
謝謝主席 議會各列席官員是不是請主席長還有國發會的高副主委還有經濟部賴長次還有中油方董事長衛福部的林次長還有食藥署王副署長以上 委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2675.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2700.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
你好主席長我想我們要回顧自從COVID-19疫情爆發後全球整個供應鏈大亂一直到現在這四五年來國內的物價可以說是狂飆不管是買便當吃外食還是租房子老百姓的體感漲幅都是三到四成在跳 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2702.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2718.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
但每次看到主計總署公布的CPI整個消費者物價指數永遠都是百分之一多百分之二多左右那官員常拿著這個數據告訴大家台灣的通膨很溫和物價 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2720.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2743.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
有控制住那主席長本席了解你們是用300多項的商品去平均計算像電視機手機變便宜了剛好抵銷了便當的櫃變貴但是一般人你像五年買一次電視一天買三個便當 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2745.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2760.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
這種購買頻率它的落差讓現行的CPI數據沒有辦法反映在真實的民生痛苦上那本席想請教主計長面對這種長達數年的結構性物價上漲主計總署有沒有檢討過現行我們CPI的權重計算的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2769.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2789.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
對不對 我們不能針對老百姓每天都要面對的外食 黃豬這個日用品 獨立拉出來做一個高價 高頻度的購買民生物價指數誠實來面對通貧 而不是用那種冷冰冰的平均數字來粉飾太平來 那個主席長你有什麼看法 |
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2790.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2807.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
是我跟委員報告一下我們每一年都會在變更那個全種就是所謂的譬如說如果是外食會偏種我們就要再調的話是這樣那今年的話因為水果水果和 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2807.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2809.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那些蛋類等價格它回穩了所以我們3月的時候就會平穩那整個去年來講其實算平穩因為去年有一些的是因為豬肉的部分或者是蛋價外食會其實是2點多到3點 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2824.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2827.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
我們也有針對17項重要民生的物價做一個整個公佈那17項重要民生的一個物價目前譬如說針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2855.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2875.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
一至三月其實狀況也還好差不多2.48也並沒有說非常的高這跟其他各國比較起來也是我是希望你們把這個整個三餐需要用的日常用的黃豬、外食、利用品等等獨立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2876.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2894.62 |
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對 要單獨列出來你不要用300多項平均把它拉下去所以物價各方面都很溫和實際上落差是很大那是每天感受到的是 權重要改我們也會是每一年都會檢討我希望你能夠改出來讓我們了解好不好 |
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根據衛福部統計去年健保幾戶藥會高達2536億元由於整個社會高齡化高血壓、高血糖、高血脂這三高的藥物民眾使用量最多排名第一為糖尿病用藥高達6.5億錠 |
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那我請問衛福部針對民眾常使用接觸的三高藥品目前是我有受中東戰爭或是美國關稅影響有斷貨的風險目前沒有目前沒有因為有藥師認為受到美國關稅影響最快六月台灣會出現缺藥潮報告委員那個美國的藥品關稅是指進口美國的那台灣這邊台灣這邊進口美國的進來我們沒有打他關稅 |
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出口去美國的那邊我們現在學名藥在這次是豁免一年的所以說像這個你們要去注意這個事情因為這次用特別藥做來藝助我們借這個機會說明就是其實我們台灣從國外從美國進來的藥我們沒有打關稅所以不會影響價格不會影響特別藝助這個健保200億元適合全數用於藥品補貼以利爭取藥品供應鏈的穩定不要讓它斷鏈 |
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有沒有就剛剛委員報告這個東西就準備在那裡那當然現在因為就是中東戰爭的關係那塑膠類製品它影響我們包含一些藥品的包材或者是這個衣材那這個部分我們已經跟經濟部協作那也請經濟部產發署目前已經協助了20家廠商在能夠拿到原料那目前在價格的部分我們還在評估那如果真的有明顯的成本上漲那這200億我們可以拿來因應好 |
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我是希望這點要注意好你回去那現行中油活動油價公視採七成杜拜三成布蘭特計算但中東戰爭爆發後中油原油來源整個結構出現變化來自美國比重達六成那中東戰比降至四成以下外界質疑現行 |
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3038.242 |
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中油的公司不能反映實際的狀況應重新檢討那我請問經濟部跟中油油價公司研究標案交由哪一個智庫來研究 |
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謝謝委員的指導不論是杜拜的油價杜拜的油價是國際間對於東亞市場最主要的一個定價的機制布蘭特更是全球最重要的一個定價的機制剛剛委員所說的一個狀況隨著這個戰事的一個發展油價的部分的起伏相當的高 |
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3060.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3079.549 |
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甚至還有布蘭特原油比杜拜的原油價格還更高的一個狀況即便我們從美國進口的這個原油它的報價的系統也是針對東亞的報價的系統至於油價公司的這個檢討的部分終於已經承諾在半年內來完成相關的這個檢討太久了吧 半年內 |
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3080.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3091.198 |
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本期希望早一點能夠看到研究報告半年真的太久了油價公視研究報告因隨同中油撥補預算一併提出同時在立法院來討論請問賴次長有沒有辦法 |
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3095.441 |
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3120.99 |
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感謝委員來支持未來中油的一個撥補的預算那我們的油價是全亞洲鄰近國家最低的那目前為止95千汽油是33.9塊我們看到南韓的這個5000汽油的這個價格甚至高達51.4塊那基本上對於穩定的物價我們針對於亞林最低價還有專案平穩的機制持續的在執行之中謝謝委員 |
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3122.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3150.274 |
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重視中東戰爭帶來各種的危機引發原物料斷鏈那民眾生活受到衝擊在國內掀起塑膠之亂以醫療這個物資繃緊突然凸顯整個台灣石化產業在關鍵時刻的重要性那石化產業是基礎型的產業廣泛應用在國人食衣住行育樂等這些這個居家在生活中帶 |
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3151.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3180.134 |
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帶動大量下游關聯的產業的發展以及就業的需求在節能減碳降低污染的前提下秉席是希望經濟部跟國發會應該藉由這個經濟部跟國發會應該藉由此次的危機要好好的盤點來支持石化產業發展的政策以促成石化業高值化的轉型讓石化業跟流台灣 |
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3181.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3182.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
達產業永續發展的環境永續的雙贏的一個境界 |
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那個賴市長委員質詢的這個方向也就是我們現在在推動的因為石化產業對於我們國內是有一個剛性需求那針對於石化產業的這個生產的部分比如說以短期內我們看到的這個波動的情況其實中油公司也在3月31號提前的開爐試清然後提供國內平價的這個石化的原物料那委員的指導我們會持續的來進行 |
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像那個中東戰爭影響整個國內尤其是力軍的供應不穩影響交通安全與公共工程的運作延宕施工的期程那媒體報導台灣基礎建設道路工程主要的原料像力軍嚴重的缺貨價格飆漲 |
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3236.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3252.647 |
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六都都有工程受到影響那我請問經濟部對於國內整個濾清穩定供應有哪些措施那哪些類型的公共工程會優先來供應第一個針對於濾清的生產所需要的上游端的物料 |
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3253.228 |
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3278.893 |
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的一個進口的部分我們從3月2號開始成立的能源因應小組無論是中油公司跟台塑公司進口的這個相關的這個原料我們都有掌握這第一個那第二個部分的話國內的力清以中油公司為例的話他大概有2.2萬噸那台塑石化大概有4.5萬噸那以中油公司定廠的一個pull forward的一個狀況穩定到6月是沒有問題的 |
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3305.286 |
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而中和公司也持續的透過產線的一個正常的運轉來提供國內所需要的公共建設材料因為你看雙北市民也擔心專用一些垃圾袋會因為這個塑膠之亂而買不到新北市環保局以對外說明專用垃圾袋雙北互通使用整體生產供應無虞不因成本波動而漲價 |
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3321.802 |
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而且有三個月的庫存量民眾不必恐慌那本是希望說經濟部能夠主動協助新北市與台北市確保原料供應無虞一律廠商生產專用垃圾袋民眾不用煩惱買不到專用的垃圾袋 |
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3323.584 |
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有沒有辦法這個沒有問題除了新北市台北市之外我們針對於全國一千多家的市場跟兩百多家的商圈每天都有群組跟電話來去進行相關資料的一個對齊好 |
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3338.749 |
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3362.345 |
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那我最後一個議題是針對塑膠原料或製品尤其是華務部應該召開跨部會物價聯合計查小組啟動調查是否有異常囤積或聯合漲價等等不過今年因為是逢選舉年選舉小物花放很多塑膠製品為了年底選舉廠商會提早準備塑膠原料 |
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3362.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3384.013 |
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以因應候選人訂單的需求本席提醒華務部華務部雖然沒有上來但提醒華務部不要抓錯對象造成選舉節外生枝我想也提醒我們各位官員 謝謝好 謝謝其他部分就用書面來回應接下來第二位邀請吳秉瑞委員 |
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3393.7 |
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3397.843 |
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主席麻煩請經濟部賴次長請賴次長委員好次長早這個關於塑膠袋因為在我的選區新莊有認識一些塑膠袋的製造的工廠認識一些朋友我就有請教他們說為什麼會缺塑膠袋 |
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3424.469 |
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當然這是一部分人的意見他說因為那個原料從過年到現在漲了三次那這個塑膠工廠他們平常就是專門在做這個塑膠袋的他就是隱隱的感覺就是那上游原料從過年到現在漲了三次他隱隱的感覺就是說這個就是要漲價所以 |
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我如果以我個人來跟他講說那如果有商家說缺塑膠袋啊可不可以直接跟他買當然他礙於交情的關係他也是會賣但是問題是其實他工廠生產是大量你個別的商家需要的量對他來講是微不足道的那我就是從這個地方要請教一個問題因為台灣的親友列姐只有中油跟台塑化兩家 |
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這個從經濟學的觀點來講 這個叫寡占那這個寡占喔 尤其我們看到油價油價這兩家的這個關聯關係喔 雖然他們都講說沒有聯合壟斷但是他們之間的關聯是非常的強這國務委員每天都在看 都看得出來那這個中間 |
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3514.464 |
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是不是有可能利用這樣子的機會肌肉行銷啊 減少產量然後就去拉抬這個把這個價格給抬高呢你覺得有沒有這樣的可能性 |
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3516.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3545.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
這個部分為了穩定的物價行政院已經成立了物價的小組每週開會剛剛委員所說到的一個狀況是法務部包括各地的檢察司、廉政署、調查局都會有相關的稽查小組來稽查這個現象是否是屬實若是有屬實的話他們會依法處置那以經濟部的立場的話我們除了在穩定上游的物料的進口之外 |
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3545.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3565.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
對於中油的產銷,包括你剛剛講的塑膠粒的這個部分因為中油本來這個世青的這個廠沒有這麼早要開所以他3月31號就先開爐了那開爐的話,他會多一個生產,比如以稀為例的話其實一個月的一個需要量,我們的需要量 |
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3566.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3592.377 |
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是遠小於我們的供給量那為什麼會有現在的一個剛剛委員所提到的大家有一個恐慌的心理我們也希望說消費者這邊不要因為有預期的心理那因為當然我們會努力在新聞報導上面都有說明都足夠的但是我跟你講這個因為台灣他的市場本身市場的維納量是小那之前 |
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3593.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
3614.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
中國可以用很多非法的方法去取得一些原油啦譬如說他偷買伊朗的原油被美國制裁的啊俄羅斯的原油啊所以他的油價很低他在原來弄了一大堆的石化產業打到台灣中國本身就內捲所以全世界的這個塑膠的原料幾乎都被中國打趴嘛 |
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3615.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3632.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那所以導致台灣的這個青油裂解之後所衍生的生產品它的生產意願因為我走得了緊啊所以它生產意願也不高那另外一點是人的心裡利用這個中東美伊的這個衝突 |
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3636.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3659.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
然後這個河母之海峽的封鎖 造成國際遊記要飆漲他利用這樣的危機 他自己本身也在要探這個機會探指我個人是覺得說 難免會給人家這樣的猜測因為台塑這個集團 過去一段時間是很賺錢但是去年前年是不太好 |
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3661.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3677.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
確實如委員所說,因為中國近幾年的經濟動能不足以石化業為例,不但是內捲還外捲造成很多國家長期依賴中國的進口,但戰前就有這種狀況 |
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3679.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
3696.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
對於說石化業的未來的加值化甚至是說剛性需求的自我滿足的部分終有演繹的包括新世青的一個改建的建設的一個計畫就是希望說這些基本物資所需要的我們國家必須要有一個足夠的韌性 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
3718.061 |
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對 那問題是很可能為了要供給國內需求 中油被這個包袱很可能他甚至要虧本 也要生產因為如果從國際的這個物資生產這些原料的生產 搞不好現在國際的價格就比你這個生產的價格還要低啊 |
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3718.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
3722.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
會有這樣的風險問題是我們台灣的國會又很不友善對於台電對於中油該撥補該要給你們的他們都不給啊 |
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3729.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
3753.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
那怎麼辦咧?要拖垮台電跟拖垮中油嗎?其實台電跟中油是為了要抑制國內的通貨膨脹為全國人民背起這一個十字架,不是嗎?國營事業要服務全國的民眾,這是理所當然但是因為中油的一個狀況因為最近的中東的情勢的發展過去的虧損包括以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
3771.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
汽油為例的話到目前為止吸收了107.3億元而我國的這個汽油到目前為止是33.9塊我剛剛在報告裡面已經談到了韓國、日本甚至中國、香港 |
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3771.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
3796.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
它的油價都遠遠高於我們的國家所以針對於外界有討論到甚至我們部長也有在立法院你說的都是事實啦但是問題是一般在外面的這個市場上面一般的消費者感受不到因為一般的消費者他沒有辦法去比較台灣的油價跟日本的油價台灣的油價跟韓國的油價台灣的油價跟中國的油價 |
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3797.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
3809.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
你講了然後就有人反宣傳說台灣就民不聊生百惡非長所有人都活不下去他就是惡性宣傳這裡面就是包含了很多的說法是包含了政治的動機在誤導不然的話 |
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請問這一個動漲那當然政府也有幫忙在貨物稅的部分也減了不少那但是這個動漲最重要的目的就是不要讓台灣通貨膨脹那這個付出的代價當然政府要承擔所以政府也願意編預算撥補甚至也願意給你們增資結果在野黨說因為我們國會人多就是不給你過啊不然你是要怎樣 |
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他只是要逼你 你剛剛那個報告我看了很怕他這樣逼 你10月電價要漲我跟你講10月要漲電價你敢嗎?10月28號要投票 |
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國營事業對民生非常有重要性所以剛剛委員所提到的問題不管是國營事業的一個事業預算甚至是我們公務機關的年度預算對於我們國家的經濟的發展都是非常的重要我們也藉此機會期待大院諸位委員來支持我們行政院包括經濟部所提的各項的一個預算 |
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我們當然願意支持我現在是問你說萬一在野黨不支持還是不能過那你們中友跟台電還有經濟部會打算如何因應你們有沒有什麼想法要怎麼因應可不可以講出一個讓人家這個可以眼睛一亮的這個東西 |
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國際油價上漲的真的是非常的高那中油跟中油目前所吸收的國際油價的一個上漲無論是在包括是石油的部分或是天然氣的部分市長我的問題是市長你聽清楚我的問題我很了解我也很願意支持我向來都支持都非常支持因為這個是為全民的付出那我是說如果本願 |
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高高在上 它不給你撥補 它不給你增資那經濟部對於中油跟台電的未來有什麼想法基本上我們先從補考專案貸款 包括官委專案貸款問題是你的負債比如果拿到銀行去能看嗎負債比都快要100%了 |
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終有過去的一個性平因為在公司的治理之下有很好的性平那錯過這個專案的最好的性平是很多營養會以為是國營事業說後面有政府在撐腰了 |
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那當然因為中油是對於我們國家如此重要而且中油也是百分之百由經濟部持有股份的一個公司所以我們對於中油理所當然也是支持的我知道那我現在跟你說我有兩個事情想要拜託你第一個要跟台電跟中油的員工加油打氣 |
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這個狀況不是他們造成的他們都很努力認真的在自己的工作崗位上是為全國人民背這個包袱 |
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所以這個說真的應該對台電跟中油的員工感覺到要鼓舞他們的士氣不要因為這樣說人家又說中油台電這個國營事業怎麼樣子這樣好不好這是第一個第二個技術要再精進這個世界現在這個時代你要技術精進才能夠超越才能夠繼續有領先競爭所以中油在提煉的方面在列解 |
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這個技術 化學的體驗技術如果能夠再提升那是跟別的產業 將來甚至可以對付我們電子業需要的這些非常精密的化學品能不能有這個產制 從另外一方面可以獲得利潤 |
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謝謝委員指導我上個禮拜已經到工會去表達經濟部對於中油工會員工的投入的一個感謝那除此之外的話其實中油公司這幾年不管是低流、原油、高流、聯油的參配包括煉成綠的部分都有如委員所說的一直在精進之中我們也非常感謝所有公司及員工的一個付出 |
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好 謝謝 請為中華民國 為台灣繼續加油謝謝好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員的發言接下來我請第三位賴世保委員謝謝主席以及各位先進有請經濟部的賴次長以及中友的董事長 |
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兩位長官委員好兩位長官好我先問一下中油董事長我記得在經濟委員會有問你你講到說有四艘的郵輪、中船下裝了沒有 |
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我在經委會所講就是說從四月份開始裝了沒有 開始裝了沒有四月份這一船已經裝了裝了 出來沒有現在在航行從曼德海峽過程中已經經過那個地方曼德海峽是不是從央部裝港了 從央部裝港然後已經往曼德海峽那第一艘什麼時候到台灣 |
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應該是在五月初了五月初後面的三艘呢後面三艘就每個月一艘我不會受影響目前來講沒有影響伊朗不是炸因為你現在是荷姆斯在東邊這邊嘛對不對這邊曼德正在西邊這邊中間是沙烏地嘛對不對他買一個油管伊朗不是炸他油管沒有影響 |
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目前他是有炸到他的加壓泡泡加壓泡泡就影響了啊那現在已經修復了修復了齁好我現在就問了這個川普因為這個美伊的談判不順利他要封鎖荷姆斯海峽這個現在看起來四十天大家都講說那個那個預備料四十天不足啊亞洲三個國家搶貨啊日本韓國跟我們呢我們搶到多少啊這個要不要解釋一下 |
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這個部分從中東戰事開始以來經濟部每天開會不管是原油、氫油或是天然氣我們當時採用的策略是假設這個赫姆斯海峽完全封閉然後我們從其他的這個現貨市場跟非中東地區的油氣源裡面來調度目前都非常的正常比如說這兩天也有這個天然氣的一個靠港跟原油這個貨輪一個 |
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從歐洲還有包括未來我們從美國不是有很多 去很多不跟美國都沒有一點我們這個都有美國增加多少 |
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所有的因為美國的油大概是屬於低流的這個原油啦那我們大概是因為我們的石油的生產必須要高流的原油跟低流的原油來參配所以針對於低流的原油的部分我們自然就是從美國來進口美國現在照我們的進口比例多少現在6060%喔對啊可不可以再增加 |
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這個要看 我們都有相關的排程 包括煉廠的一個煉量的狀況它是什麼 你看低還是高是什麼意思 低是輕石油還是重石油是不是 對所以它的美國油不是用在每一個地方 它是有侷限性的 |
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他看各界的這個油氣源的一個不一樣需要做一個調查中油公司針對於全世界大概一百四十幾個有產油的這個地方他相關的這個原料的一個狀況包括他油品的一個狀況都有作為掌握那也感謝中油公司平常就是把這些基本功練好所以我們當遇到中東的戰事的時候我們很快的可以 |
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國際油價漲了8%啦這個經濟破損中的這邊是不是就繼續一直動漲不管漲多少 8% 18% 28% 我們都動漲是不是繼續動漲我每週都有固定的一個機制我問你是不是繼續動漲 |
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我們現在看即時的油價的變化現在是賣房市場喔現在是大家不管不計成本 不計價格搶到貨才是硬道理喔全世界都這樣子喔無論是石油或是天然氣我們針對於未來數個月的所有的貨源都有掌握甚至是七月 八月 九月我們對現貨的部分都有掌握 |
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現在因為美伊談判促交看起來油價要繼續漲我就問你一個問題是不是我們的政策不管它漲多少我們就繼續動漲我就問你 YES NO 就這樣我們每個禮拜檢討 每個月來檢討因為這個油氣的價格變動得非常的劇烈 |
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這個話我做全給你不敢接喔你應該說越是我們就繼續動長啊怎麼會對不對 按老百姓的心啊不然現在物價美國CPI已經漲了3.3%了你現在台灣壓得這麼低感謝先生有相當多的一個鋪排包括物價的一個穩定到目前為止的話我們不像你剛剛所說的其他的國家有這麼大的一個物價一個波動 |
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我去旁邊的便利商店買那個飲料都漲了10%這個東西就很奇怪現在跟塑膠有關的都漲我看喔 請問石油存量到底是多少石油存量 |
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10有存量的話我們目前都超過了法定的安全存量甚至有超過10有幾天啊?10有幾天?120天要法定的部分大概是90天90天我們超過我們都有超過天然氣咧?天然氣的話是11天11天我們超過從開戰以來每天都超過何必什麼時候可以啟動? |
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去年11月27號台電公司提出了這個自主現況安全評估的部分經濟部已經核定了台電的一個現況的評估的作業台電公司在河山廠的一個再運轉計畫在今年的3月27號提出來明年可以嗎?2027可以嗎? |
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這個台電公司是一個電業的發言機關他提出了在用的總經理講一下嘛要需要核安會的審查我依照核安會的審查現在已經在審查了啦總經理你也不講一下 |
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報告委員那因為最樂觀啦 什麼時候可以重啟 最樂觀台電有一些東西是台電可能決定的啦就是在運轉計畫什麼時候送我們可以決定送了沒有我們已經送了合三的已經送了他們合安大概多久時間可以正常完畢這個就是要看合安會的委員正常過去多久時間 |
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這個我們沒辦法有啊怎麼沒有過去就半年到一年半了怎麼沒有呢我們也希望他們快一點但是這不是我們能決定的所以只要一年再一年所以你會送了嘛再一年那就是明年可以啦就這個意思啊會盡快啦我想核安會會盡快回過來我還是問市長啊還有那個總董事長三月份總共你補貼了多少補貼多少錢 |
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到3月份的部分油價的部分大概是吸收了90億左右90億如果4月份繼續這樣子再90億是每個月補貸90億一直到10月是不是這個意思我們現在會依照油價的公式看到目前為止累積的總有吸收了107.3億是關於油品的部分請教那個央行的副總裁好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
現在每一談判不順利這個數字要不要修正 |
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4601.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
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我們講的85塊是全年的均價未來一定都100多如果未來的均價到100的時候我們當然會上修我們CPI的預測值 |
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依然要用比特幣計算荷姆治海峽的通行費過去央行一直對加密貨幣比特幣之類都是持之以比瞧不起所以認為它不是法定貨幣等等的可是現在越來越多的國家它這個要加密貨幣你們看要不要改變一下 央行 |
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那個報告委員因為我們在那個虛擬資產服務法裡面我們對穩定幣我們是持正面的看法未來如果台灣發行這種不管新台幣或者是美元的穩定幣我們是持正面的看法所以你們瞧不起比特幣瞧不起以太幣瞧得起穩定幣就這個意思是不是 |
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因為那個不是所謂的真正的貨幣有具有貨幣的那個功能的啊 穩定幣是貨幣的代幣穩定幣是一個代幣比較廣的代幣啊 加密貨幣其實也是啊 |
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我們來看我們的挖掘存底已經減少了86億美金現在美國要對我們301這個看起來匯率應該走深可以減少301的對我們衝擊而且購入成本也降低這種狀況對不對 |
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報告委員因為匯率走勢不是台灣自己決定的因為我們只是維持匯率的穩定匯率走勢也要看國際美元整個走勢和整個國內外經濟情勢的變化最後一個我請教主席長我覺得一個小題主席長這個一定要因為前面有人問了我還是要問一下這個到底你們今天怎麼看CPI GDP怎麼看 |
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4748.285 |
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因為一到三月呢其實三月它的影響是比較小所以我們三月的CPI是1.2整個GDP的影響因為也是第一季其實是整個狀況是不錯的到三月底嘛所以今年還是有時間到了今年渴望有七所以我們要看四月我們五月會重新做評估然後會有新的一個評估的數據出來總預算後天要協商嗎 |
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4765.937 |
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你要不要承諾在這裡承諾不過我跟妳承諾我都不願意院長打槍啊可不可以說我們省然後這個有關你軍人加薪案的部分我辦最佳預算可以嗎不是因為軍人加薪案涉及到制度的問題 |
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4786.048 |
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他沒有說我從基層一次加三萬這樣子整個打破整個制度是整個迫害制度所以這不是我錢不錢的問題而是整個制度的問題所以必須在人事總署他這裡他做整個一個盤算去做一個改變所以你跟我講沒有用這不是我不要編的問題 |
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我跟妳說這個東西後天協商要各讓一步 這個要讓啦我們很想讓啊 但是這個是很讓齊啊我們都希望總預算能夠順利來審查 |
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承諾說未來可以追加預算 按照去年的做法 這樣子就有順利啦不是 賴委員 因為您也是這方面行家所以到底是追加 怎麼追加 這是重點追加就3%就可以追加啦 3%就3百億啦3%就3百億啦所以你如果說 |
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統一加三萬我跟你講以後所有人人事制度全部垮了不會啦這個立法院三組總統我真的是全部垮了以後不要你光是說軍人的部分其他的公務人員的人事組全部垮了不會人事總處的人事長但是我是主計長我必須要為這個制度整個的維持啊所以立法院通過了法案就你這環境是總統派院長的思維嗎就變成你們變成太上皇 |
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民主國家就是依法行政 三讀通過的法律 你照做 結果你們現在就是不可以執行卻有困難有困難事件 你可以提這個啊 你可以提復議啊復議題啦不夠啊 不夠啊 不過你就照做啊 就變成這樣好啦 今天沒時間你插插在那裡謝謝 謝謝浩天要有誠意就大家各讓一點啦不是跟你講這可以讓啦 |
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好 那主席長的禮拜三好好來做後續的協商謝謝我們賴市保委員的質詢接下來請郭國文委員謝謝主席有請主席長跟我們經濟部我們的資格次長賴市長 |
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主席我想CPI的穩定非常重要但是CPI的穩定現階段幾乎都是政府方的責任去對抗市場方政府可以做的部分就是油跟電還有一些稅收的減免 |
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可是這個部分我們看到目前中油的這個部分剛剛報告說已經有90億最高大概107億讓整個CPI只有上升到1.8%吸收掉0.3我有一個問題要問的是說那油的部分那電的部分限制 |
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那個限動的部分4到9個月次長也在這邊你也可以問他再加上其他的這個稅收的減免整個優惠的這個部分穩定物價的措施延遲到9個月的情況底下到底政府要付出多少錢才能減免多少CPI主計長你有沒有掌握 |
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這個部分主要其實是經濟部的油電的部分一部分是經濟部油電的部分一部分是那個財政部稅收的減少對 財政部減少稅收嘛黃曉玉的部分這個部還沒有預估出來沒有 我是說那個 主席長 |
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您站在主席兩個高位嘛那個經濟部也好財政部也好任何部門的一個政治那個行政措施減少了一些國家的一個income然後或者呢增加了國家的負擔總共多少才能去面對這個CPI本席想要知道這個數字啊 |
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我們現在是講譬如說中油提出要增資那是事後那是拯救中油的部分增資融資6500億要如何救中油我都同意我也都贊成也應該包括台電都應要但是我們要去面對我們到底多少才會有效 |
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在總量上啦沒關係 主席長妳會後再給本席妳算個數字給我對 經濟部還有財政部的部分還有財政部的部分因為關鍵是CPI就是整體的部會當中我們到底付了多少承擔了多少最後減少了多少因為我找不到這個相關數字嘛這樣也可以讓我們的百姓知道說政府到底付出了多少努力嘛不是嗎 主席長 |
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她如果每個月的話油價的部分是九十億嘛對剛剛有講九十億我有聽到12個月那就是九十億要這樣子的一個成熟那我要知道你一個月的週期大概多少兩個月如果是這樣子但是有可能再疊加這樣子所以我們會再算一個那個就請那個次長麻煩跟主席長對一下好不好我大概要知道這個總額啦那政府有多少作為好不好那各位請回接下來我想請那個法務部法務部 |
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請張師長有請 這是張師長 |
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因為不論是這個之前的這個衛生紙之亂雞蛋之亂還有這個塑膠袋之亂政府部門大概透過兩個平台一個是法務部的這個物價聯合稽查小組另外呢就是我們地檢署設立一個打擊民生的這個犯罪聯繫平台用雙軌並行的方式去處理 |
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那現階段 不論是衛生紙 雞蛋 或者塑膠之亂目前我看到的都是 茶無不法啦就是簡單的講說 沒有囤積 沒有烘台但是 沒有人相信啦因為在第一線當中呢大家拿到的塑膠袋都已經變五塊錢了那到底是誰在烘台價格 |
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很奇怪你們每一個查出來都是沒有囤積沒有烘台但是結果就是沒有人相信因為現實上很多民眾就說你看塑膠袋五塊 |
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那個整個這一個便當盒也五塊為什麼這種落差你們就去了解我去了解一下就制度面的部分囤積民生物資烘台物價的行者主要根據刑法第251條可以處三年以下有期徒刑可是從109年2010年修法以來我沒有看到任何一件案件涉及到251條 |
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251條當中也就是說依糧食農產品及民生必需之飲食用品或者是3行政院公告之生活必需品你認為這三項是都不符合嗎還是出在哪裡或者是第一線的攤商的問題還是只是消費者的問題你要講清楚嘛 |
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跟委員報告喔有關那個刑法251條的那個案件數齁在去年114年度我們新收是有246件 增結234件那其中起訴的有47件幾件47件47件 對起訴之後呢 |
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起訴之後當然就是送法院去判決那有沒有判決那判決的情形我目前這邊手上是沒有資料如果委員有需要的話我們可以會合麻煩一下好不好起訴之後47件到底判決的結果怎麼樣這樣才能達到嚇阻的作用嘛是感受上司說好像都沒有都沒有都沒有 |
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結果大家的感受都是有有有民間跟這個落差實在太大了麻煩你會後給本席一下可以那也請各位單位加強茶器讓民眾的感受能夠跟政府方相同謝謝接下來我想請那個央行的這個副總裁央行副總裁 |
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委員好副總裁好副總裁因為最近外匯現在有一個新的狀況過往我們都希望外資如果賣了股之後如果不再買進的話要趕快匯出以前央行的態度這樣子就是避免這個炒匯可是最近徵期局有對外講說因為外資賣超不一定要急著匯進出 |
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5273.74 |
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如果說呢這個匯進出的話台幣呢會有這個貶值的壓力那台幣一旦貶值的壓力的話就會有導入這個輸入性的通膨的這個可能那這裡頭出現第一個問題你要如何避免這個輸入性的通膨的可能 |
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第二個呢可是我們現在外資持有台灣的股票債券跟現金目前已經高達1.2兆的美元又是我們外匯存底的兩倍以上你太多的外資放在台灣又有可能有炒匯的風險 |
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5325.856 |
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或者一下子快速的匯出也會造成台幣的急速貶值在這種兩難的情況底下我很想問一下央行要怎麼面對譬如講還有一個問題儘管會在外資的這個部分談到外資大賣台股8306億可是到央行就變9682億差了1000多 |
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另外金管會統計外資的匯出是30.5億可是央行的統計是240億差更多這種數字上的落差也會影響到你們判斷的一個結果副總裁你們回復一下本席你要怎麼去控制這個輸出性的通膨增加或者你要如何同時因應這個可能會造成炒匯的風險 |
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我們會首先看一下就是到底那個以美元計價的進口物價的上漲情形我們會判斷就是說到底他是不是持續長期的但是中央銀行的匯率政策我剛才講到除了外資之外我們也受到外資也當然也受到 |
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國際美元走勢外資他們判斷說到底未來的台幣的走勢是怎樣所以我們的基本政策是維持新台幣的相對穩定您剛才提到那個金管會和央行在外資匯出的統計上面是有差異的因為我們是用現金基礎那金管會是用權責基礎最大的差異就是我們外資在台灣賺到的盈餘我們我們視為它匯出定義上不同啦所有數字上的差異啦好 |
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那這個可能會有判斷狀的落差不會 因為對央行來講我們看的是現金技術好 就是央行來做主導如果央行來做主導的話那本席就要請教於你了第一個現階段是不是有沒有說希望外資不要像以前短期的情侶賣掉股票以後趕快發出去而可以允許他們比較長的時間我先問你這一點好了 |
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報告委員這個是有他的困難度因為外資的資金的流動在台灣是一個自由的我們只是限制他你賣完的錢你如果留在台灣你就必須投資在國內股市上面但是就是停留的時間也不管就沒有像以前說叫他趕快出去 |
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5469.524 |
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我們沒辦法單向單向一下子要他暫緩出去一下子要他暫緩進來暫緩進來你是用單向讓他不要太近賄賂我們沒辦法用單向的方式因為 |
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那個資金的流動是相對自由的匯出跟匯入的問題嘛你要匯出太多的話它就會貶值嘛對不對我們有道德說服國內的廠商可以這樣配合輸入性的CPI的可能性嘛那你不管輸入性的CPI嗎你不是就在可控的範圍嗎這不是變一個關鍵嗎 |
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5491.53 |
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因為在在外匯市場上面我們沒辦法用單獨的去限制外資的我沒有說用單獨的方式我是說這政策有沒有調整啊我想唯一的方式可能就是透過我們匯率的調整去誘導這樣子的一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
5531.103 |
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說到匯率的調整本席就最後再問你一期匯率的調整的部分我一直發現央行在這個部分是在一個區間來去看待區間的部分就是30 31 32它其實是要如何維持出口的競爭力有時候主要輸出國家進口國的一個競爭力之外另外一個討論的部分是現階段需要避免輸入性的通膨應該是這兩個部分在做平衡 |
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才會決定這個區間嘛出口競爭力一向不是我們關切的最主要的重點是那我們看的是整體對物價的影響是怎樣所以是第二項對關鍵還是第二項所以最近進場調節是在於要控制輸入性的通膨而不是在於出口的競爭優勢是好 謝謝副總長謝謝好 謝謝郭國文委員的發言接下來請林代化委員 |
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5560.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
5568.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
有請經濟部部長台電中油次長今天是次長次長好委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
5575.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
5591.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
好來台電先回答本席一個問題自從3月初我們這個荷末之海峽封鎖之後台電目前增加天然氣購置的成本是什麼狀況請回答 |
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5595.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
5616.384 |
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中東的情勢是在2月28號左右發生所以3月之後的天然氣的價格是沒有受到影響但是到4月的時候調漲了41.58%我如果用這個荷莫斯海峽封鎖之後你們所增加的天然氣購置的成本 |
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5617.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
5633.246 |
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那天然氣購置的成本你們預估4月到12月會增加多少的天然氣購置成本對 這個只是因為是每個月都在變動那不是非常固定啦好 本席告訴你 930億所以從4月到12月大概930億每個月平均100億台幣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
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因為河末之海峽封鎖那這是你的錯嗎本席不認為那既然今天次長來督導這個所有的這個人員的部分那我認為這是忠友的錯那忠友是不是這是現任董事長的錯那我也不認為是你的錯是誰的錯你們的一個副總主導全台灣天然氣的構置 |
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| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
5690.791 |
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董事長你應該知道我在說你哪一位副總天然氣女神業界是這麼樣瘋的他可以讓台灣現在此時此刻讓我們台灣多花了每天100億的在每個月每100億台幣的天然氣成本好那這來我們來看這整個的始末 |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
5709.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
國際國運國管這是本期的主張台灣能源百分之九十有來自國外天然氣發電佔比已經達到百分之五十以上國際國運國管天然氣是我們自己買的我們也要自己運也要有自己的船隊來管理這是國安 |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
生命線那這個歷次本席針對歷次的院長蘇院長陳院長到現在卓院長部長從王部長郭部長到現在的龔部長即使是國發會的龔主委的時候本席也都提出現在天然氣進口 |
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合約跟運輸DES跟FOB這兩種模式在DES我就說它是自氣他運我們自己跟人家採購了就變成自己的天然氣了自給天然氣但是是他運由賣方礦組的船隻自己提供船隻到我方來 |
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那FoB呢是自己的天然氣我們買了天然氣之後自己的船隻自己運我們的自棄他運用他國的船隻來運的這樣採購模式佔了台灣的85%而我們自己的船隊來自己從礦產運到我們自己的國家這樣才達不到15% |
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那這樣的運費差多少呢 其實最了解的就是中油董事長了DES如果用別的國家的船運回來 跟我用自己的船運回來 長約來講將近四倍 這四倍是多少呢 船租喔 每日DES的這個長約一天船租是40萬美金 |
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我的FOB自己的船一天的船租是10萬主計長你要聽清楚你知道看國家損失了多少錢一趟的天然氣要28天我運一趟來28天你看我們現在都是DES的長約佔85%我們的採購 |
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40萬美金一趟一天我們28天算30天好了1200萬美金我們一年有幾百趟幾百趟那個船次400大概430幾432趟次如果我沒有記錯大概400趟次沒有那麼多好那多少趟次沒關係您說我們天然氣一年要幾趟次大約300多 |
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差不多340到350我們就340是吧 主計長您聽好一天的船隻40萬一趟我們要運一次回來28天40萬乘以28然後呢一年有340趟的船隻你知道我們85%的把船隻船隊是別的國家指控我們花了多少錢 |
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然後我們的FOB自己的船隊四艘它的運量不到15%一天是10萬美元這就是我說中油的一個副總他主導全台灣的一個天然氣本期在什麼時候提出這個訴求呢這也是 來 我們下一頁 |
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在2022、2023、2024、2025在2022的時候 |
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2022、21月的時候我要求國企國運好 隔年的2月的時候台電、中油各自回答台電說啊我們2025的時候我們台電也可以自己來買天然氣不需要像現在全部都有中油來跟中油架構它漲了我也必須全額吸收那中油呢就回答說啊不行啊我一定我不能改為長約我不能改為這個FOB喔的長約喔我要到2032年的時候我的船 |
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DS的長約才改為FOP的長約2032年好 那到了這個隔一個月本席就要求國企 國運 國管我要自己的船隊啊因為像海峽兩岸都在扣在軍演啊 |
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好那軍演之後誰的船只有自己國籍的國家船我派了護艦隊我的船長會親密我們國人我們國家政府的政策他願意在我們國家的艦隊護航之下把天然氣運回來因為我們的發電百分之五十以上是靠天然氣 |
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好所以我在這邊要求說DS的短單能夠提出來你的長單我不動你佔了70%的長單我就不動了你現在30%的短單跟現貨單 |
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我們提出10%改為FOB的長單就是我們自己的船隊來運這樣分散風險向美澳採購培養自己的國籍船隊配合國家的政策以防止政治風險在2023年3月的時候提出2024本席再執行2025的時候呢經濟部你終於回復交通部了好我們願意國企國運國管建立自己的船隊那有沒有作為 沒有 |
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那很不幸的就在今年隔年的時候呢中東戰爭爆發河末之海峽封鎖天然技全球搶單現貨坐地起價這邊我要講明搶單也就不是長約也不是短約而是現貨 |
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主計長啊 你知道現在的坐地起價 我還用所知經濟部不敢回我 我不需要商業機密你不要告訴我說你一趟多彩不需要但是我想知道的 到底你現在現貨搶單 什麼叫搶單 化假啦 |
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我現在是礦主啦你A國家、B國家、C國家你來買我現在大家都在搶啊沒有長短短的啦你搶其實要搶的對你真是不錯啦但是你知道那個是天價我要的是你現在的搶貨的價格 |
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跟你用正常FOB我們自己提供長約所的那個長單的價格我要的是這樣的一個比例你們沒有辦法給出來這個等一下我會要求我需要比例就好你就知道國人因為在2022年的時候本席提出國企國運甚至國管 |
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你們漠視其實2022、2023在戰爭沒有時候陳平時期澳洲美國都是願意賣的那也願意去談的啊你們不願意好所以呢我們說國家主權獨立你們就只有在這個政治圖像當中去講主權獨立啊對我林戴華來講我怎麼主權獨立我要讓我國人的人員自主這也要獨立他的民生安全遇到任何的狀況他都能夠主權獨立啊 |
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你們有沒有落實 沒有所以台電現在荷末之海峽這個封鎖之後你每個月幾乎增加100億天然氣天然的這個燃料成本中油配合這個政策動漲民生跟工業企價但不好意思你台電全部就轉嫁給台電你全額漲足所以台電你真的是齁人家在搬火燒燒你們家的房子啦你的房子你要自己付錢這樣啦現在中油和台電就是這樣啦好那這個呢在 |
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拿國家的人員安全當賭注所以市長經濟我們現在每天台灣一天至少要一艘天然氣靠船港才能維持運作我一天就一定要一艘喔那這次你賭贏了嗎你賭了4月5月說好我們現在船期都已經OK了都穩固了6月 |
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你說你們八成掌握在你們手中那你還要賭七月八月九月到年底你要賭什麼所以你們經濟部跟中油賭一定搶得到錢根本無計全球搶當的現況你經濟部跟中油賭所有的不穩定因素都不會爆發根本無視我地緣政治的風險你經濟部跟中油你賭船隻一定會準時靠港無視海運節點的阻礙 |
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好這種地緣政治引發能源危機全球能源的焦慮這是赤裸裸的警訊什麼叫做處理這個危機最高的境界就是不讓危機發生所以我當然對於台灣我不希望他有海域被封鎖但我不讓這個危機發生的時候我怎麼來預防海域被封鎖的如果有這個狀況我們自己的船隊在哪裡目前就那四艘台達輪 |
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我們的人員自主權在哪裡現在叫做國際搶單當中國真的封鎖台灣海域的時候你拿什麼去賭台灣2300萬人民的人員自主在哪裡你還要靠這場的賭博弈的邏輯來維持台灣的民生必須跟人員安全嗎 |
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好 這我再講一下這種叫官僚惰性 人員安全的雙面人在陳平時期的時候 經濟部 中油你說要等到2032年才有機會重新招商改為FOP的模式但現在危機爆發的這個現況政府用緊急的採購方式搶得天價的現貨這證明了什麼 證明本席過往的主張 |
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不是不能做 而是你行政單元不願意做你平時不規劃 到了危機發生的時候到處搶單提高了採購的成本 這種採購的成本是幾百億 幾百億美金啊 |
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這更讓台灣的人員暴露在極高的風險之下主席再兩頁就好地域政治引發人員危機現況是集中跟脆弱我單一依賴中東的企園在卡達百分百的依賴外籍船隻的調度我國慶國運國管的這是本席的這個訴求分散採購風險轉為跟澳洲美國採購強制運人的轉換立即提出10%的採購量改為FOP的長單國防防護網 |
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培養國籍船長跟建立國籍船隊好那本席這邊的提出10%提出來你們現在現貨我回到剛才的那一頁我有比較高嗎我們還說日本韓國你看我們的場面謝謝 謝謝主席 |
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我們看長約這張表 長約跟短約 我長約不動你說2032年改為FOP長約 沒問題 你的短約看右邊你的DS 智氣他運跟現貨搶當 現在佔80%我只要你這30%的短約 其中10%改為長約 |
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這樣長約的百分之十再加上你原有的FoB的自棄自運的百分之十五不過二十五的長約自己的船隊自己來運日本韓國要求他們自己國家的自己自棄自運達到比例多少百分之三十 |
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日本 韓國是這樣 我這樣要求只不過從你的15%提高到25%而已好 我們看最後一頁我的主張就是經濟部要回答經濟部要主導落實國企 國運 國管的人才培育跟船隊你要協調相關的部會 交通部 教育部跟中油拒絕再用2032年延旦為藉口國安不能靠賭運器拒絕依賴 |
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偶然的幸運國家人員安全需要制度化的長期保障跟自主權拒絕天價高額的應急平時不規劃暫時到處搶單的狼狽模式將使台灣人員暴露這個極高的風險一個月內交付國企國運國管的具體時針到本委員會來可以嗎 |
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經濟部對於能源的安全從來不是用賭的我們設法消除了殘餘風險時間到了我們就直接用書面回應是在過油過氣的部分都是依照國際的行 |
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好接下來因為我們今天時間的關係外文會也登記很多人喔等一下我要讓大家有時間上洗手間所以拜託大家時間稍微做一下控制謝謝來接下來請嚴寬恒委員好謝謝主席各位列席官員大家好主席有請我們經濟部賴長次賴長次謝謝還有中油公司方董事長方董事長 |
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中東戰爭原先協議停火但是昨天談判破裂所以再度面臨油價上漲的壓力那我們就從最民生的部分來檢討就是延燒至今的塑膠袋短缺的問題 |
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讓民眾不堪欺擾主要原因就是因為原料缺貨我們鞏部長上個月才說塑膠袋很好生產非常好生產所以供貨沒有問題結果馬上就爆發塑膠袋之亂這就代表說不夠了解市場雖然我們是希望說民眾能夠減塑減少塑膠但是不是說沒有塑膠袋 |
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所以其實台灣全國各縣市都有非常多的傳統市場市場攤販現在都反應陳情說塑膠袋買不到連像我們路邊的這些早餐店他們都貼公告說不提供塑膠袋要自備 |
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那所以目前請中油跟台塑生產這個量能增加但是還是難以解決短期的這些缺乏還有價格上漲的問題所以這一次是你們預判錯誤導致塑膠量大量缺貨那你們的因應對策是什麼有沒有這個加大力道去稽查是否有業者故意哄買物價還有這個違法囤積的問題 |
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那預計的這個量能能夠提高就生產的部分能夠提高多少那我是希望說在永格機場這種如果有這些投機行為不管是虹台物價還有囤積物的這些部分因為攤販生存很不容易那為了有些為了要買這個塑料袋一大早跑了五間店結果發現說 |
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早上去看他介紹 到下午介紹又差20% 又過兩聲所以說這是一種等於是趁火打劫的行為那所以可不可以請市長先回答一下 |
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就如同剛剛委員講的預期的心理可能會造成產銷秩序的失衡但事實上經濟部為了解決這個問題從幾個方面著手第一個原料的穩定的供給中油的擴大的生產下油的加速的媒合我以塑膠袋生產的原料也就是我們做的塑膠粒這個產品以吸為力 |
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乙烯大概一個月需要差不多11.8萬噸但是我們現在所有的國內的生產差不多將近超過16萬噸那遠大於我們這個需求那原料生產跟供應你現在說沒問題可是沒問題為什麼缺貨所以我們要把問題找出來啊紅柴物價囤積啊找到了沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
所以這個部分由我們透過跨部會的一個聯合的稽查這個部分來執行看看委員有沒有你說的現象但是重點是說當現在民眾有一些的恐慌或是店家有略感不足的話我們經濟部也每天透過電話跟群組的方式針對於所有的商圈所有的市場來去看它的需求性是如何 |
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| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
6680.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
有沒有得到一個真實的數據是甚麼缺的到底缺了多少量基本上缺的量都是一些大家感到庫存不足的部分需要補貨的以我們的為例的話 比如說我們部長也除了透過我們商發署每天透過群組跟電話關懷之外 跟商圈 |
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去看事實上以高雄的這個商圈為例的話他的商圈的理事長也有提到說他的一個特殊的這個用品的存量事實上是夠的但是現在沒有不足但是當天的會議有另外嘉義的這個業者來提到說 |
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市長 你講到高雄 講到嘉義 講到各縣市那個產量是夠的 但是為什麼會缺貨所以問題要找出來嘛 所以就囤積嘛這些投機行為 不法行為 你要找出來所以我希望你們趕快去落實啦 好不好趕快去落實 這第一個第二個就是說 這個中東局勢的能源安全問題啦我們這個目前美伊談判破局了嘛所以繼續封鎖這個赫姆茲海峽 |
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因為地緣政治風險溢價攀升所以面對伊朗不願放行的僵局雖然短期內有騷擬的原油供給但是因為赫敦海峽出口受阻中油在原油進口來源的多樣化上有什麼樣的應變方案因為你也親口證實說開戰以來沒有一桶原油來自於中東地區 |
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沒有一桶原油從中東地區運送出來那因此目前除了沙烏地美國或者是西非原油進口的比例是否能在第二季快速的挑戰可以降低對於中東的依賴可以嗎第一個不是沒有一桶原油從中東進來遠景上面來講是通過荷姆茲海峽 |
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但是我們透過繞道紅海的方式或是其他的這個區域來補足這一些因為受到荷姆茲海峽所影響的貨氣跟貨源那目前我們的所有不管是現貨未來的排程都有掌握了那至於油價的這個走向啊事實上我們時時的去觀察我個人我也經常去看油價的變動任何一個 |
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國際的情勢或是一個國際的主要的領袖講一句話的話可能對於油價的一個漲跌都有很大的一個影響但是我們對於油價的部分我們有特定的一個機制亞林最低價專案還漲的這個機制所以我們目前的這個油價雖然說比 |
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市長如果說海峽封鎖長期沒有什麼樣可以解套的話那7D31這個指標油價往上衝嘛現在120 130嘛對不對120 130那我們國內油價因為你現在是環漲對不對環漲嘛那他下一季或者更 |
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到年底當然年底又牽扯到剛剛也有人提到其他有人提到說1月8號要選舉了油價不會漲肯定不會漲怕影響選舉但是我們什麼時候會面臨這個跳躍式的調升這第一個第二個就是說它那邊伊朗有拋出一個 |
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一個計畫說要對於海峽的郵輪每桶徵收一美元的通行費就是通行費啦並要求要以加密貨幣來支付那 |
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我國是我國油價採取7D3B的公司計算那請問這額外的1美元的通行費是被歸類於我們的原油採購成本還是中油的營運成本那如果是原油採購成本就代表說即便 |
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原有的價格波動但是這屬於只要通行費存在通行費存在那國內的油價就無法調降嘛這又是另外一個無法不可預測的嘛是不是這樣子跟委員報告在戰事之前那國際的油價差不多每桶80塊左右最高來到122那你剛剛講的其實未來包括上個禮拜上個禮拜情勢稍微和緩馬上降到94那今天 |
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那是差不多一百零二不管是布蘭特跟這個杜拜都是差不多是這個價格所以我們緊密的去關注國際的這個市場的一個報價的狀況那除此之外的話我們還是維持我們雙平穩的機制那至於你剛剛講的所謂的通行費的部分我們既然我們現在不需要從赫姆斯海峽沒有開放之前我們從其他的貨源來調貨自然沒有這個問題 |
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伊朗更要求說要以加密貨幣的部分來做這樣子的支付我沒有跟伊朗我是說他拋出這樣子的說法如果說中友為了支付通行費我們必須要承受未來我們必須要承受這樣子的一個情況因為加密貨幣的漲跌劇烈 難以估計這一筆金融風險就產生了額外的負擔 |
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那這個負擔又是被我們國人必須要轉嫁到國內所以我們是否未來有能力去應付到這種高度不穩定的支付成本這是第一個第一個就是說 |
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中友必須要針對未來 如果說這樣子的一個加密貨幣的一個通行費的這樣子的方式去建立嚴謹的一個財務避險的機制現在沒發生嘛 是不是這樣子未來不見得會發生嘛現在沒有對 現在沒有啊 |
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行政已經專案的核准了油品的貨物稅50%就是做這個因應那除此之外的話其實中油公司對於未來的採購的策略包括現在油品的這個價格都是密切的在緊盯那我們緊遵了我們現在的雙平穩的機制包括亞林最低價我們是希望把這個油的這個價格包括天然氣的價格 |
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然後控制在不會造成我們國內經濟重大的影響的這個層面上面所以說我們一定要建立嚴謹的財務避險機制確保國內油價確保國內油價能夠確實反映國際情勢的一個緩解還有合理的回落啦好不好好謝謝委員長好謝謝我們感謝嚴寬恒這個準時的質詢結束接下來請賴會員委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們請賴次長還有鍾游董事長 |
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兩位早安委員好我想前面有很多委員已經提到了就是說台灣目前面臨到的問題非常的多了尤其是中東的戰事這個升溫然後那個荷姆茲海峽的運輸受阻那我們碰到了更多的台灣能源高度的依賴進口 |
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其實很多很多的一個困境都不是單一的一個事件是一個結構性的一個風險可是台灣的能源跟民生的體系是不是可以承擔同時承受外部的一個衝擊那在這裡我想先跟中油董事長請教一下 |
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很多委員 中油董事長 次長讓中油董事長先回答我我想問中油董事長因為前面好幾個委員已經跟你請教過了我簡單的就是室友我就不再跟你就是再繞了一個大圈我再請教你就是說我們的油價什麼時候會上升會調升你預計什麼時候要調升 |
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跟委員報告,我們現在油價,每一週的油價都是每一週去做個檢討根據這一週的原油價格的一個變化情形來去依據油價公式去做一個核算之後再做一個檢討,對於下一週的油價要不要去做一些調整可能調漲,可能調降 |
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所以你也沒有辦法就是回答我 但看現階段你下個星期可能就是說你要自行吸收你那個107億還是說你要繼續就是用現有的一個狀況就該調了就調 |
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報告委員我現在很難回答你這個問題因為你很難回答我這個問題因為這一周的原油價格還在好讓次長來回答中油已吸收超過了100億這個帳要算在誰身上要算在中央政府身上還是要算在中油身上是中油自己出還是中央政府自己出那我們講短時間中東的戰事不會停止那如果我們再講的 |
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就是說你中油的說法他其實船隻是卡在荷姆茲海峽上短時間國內的就是國際的油價有沒有可能下滑次長你的看法呢 |
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第一個現在目前的這個狀況我剛剛有說明了上禮拜還94現在是102事實上每天變化非常的劇烈所以我們7D3B然後是針對於過去一週的平均的價格然後最後來做相關的核算那大概有兩個基準我們要維持雅齡最低價甚至是要專案 |
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的這個部分來平穩我們的國內的油價的市場所以針對於說下一週會不會漲我們要靠近一點我們才比較能觀察出這個趨勢第二點委員剛剛質詢裡面有提到能源的部分要增加這個韌性減少地緣政治的影響總統上任之後接觸了二次能源轉型不管是多元綠能或是科技的儲能那這個都是我們的努力還有包括深度節能 |
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以三月為例的話,事實上我們現在的總用電量還比去年的同期還減少那這個就是因為農業署的生活節能的補導我知道困難非常多啦那我們從經濟部的書面報告裡頭我們也看到了就是五月底的調度已經全部準備好了那六月也完成了七成那你甚至講到了九月,九月的傳期都調度很充足 |
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那我在這裡再請教妳,像剛才那個林鄭華委員講的國運、國企、國管這個政策有沒有機會天然氣的這一個整套的一個計畫,還有卡著妳卡著的這個荷姆茲海峽的兩萬桶那個原油會不會把它拿去當談判的一個籌碼 |
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只要回答我這些問題第一個不論是DES或是FORB都是國際的能源貿易市場上面經常用的所謂的運輸的方式那這個當然要搭配我們看看所謂的合約的組成跟自己國家的一個狀況那我 |
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以中東戰事剛開始為例當時2月28之後我們因為整個市場比較大亂所以我們可以從亞洲地區來調貨那這些的調貨它並不是從FLV的這個船隻進來而DES的部分那你從哪邊調我們從東亞的一個市場東亞的一個市場那你這200萬桶的原油有沒有變成是一個談判的一個現貨徵購的一個籌碼 |
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200萬桶是指現在還求在波斯灣裡面未通過荷姆茲海峽中油公司所專門的200萬桶的貨輪那現在在停泊之中那中油公司每天都去聯繫船東看看荷姆茲海峽的通行的狀況那一旦荷姆茲海峽情勢緩和可以和平的通過的時候這艘船就可以通過 |
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不是他通過了你才可以用這些那國際談判的一個那個慣例的話事實上你迴避我好那不能講也沒有關係啦那個中原董事長你請先請回那我請那個我們的主計總長還有我們央行的副總裁 |
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我想市長,過去幾年美國因為大量的開採鹽油,所以在這一次的中東戰事裡頭,油價沒有受到太大的一個衝擊 |
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那其實在這裡是要跟你討論到的就是說我們其實一直就是集中在中東就是我們的原油一直集中在中東裡頭採購這個原油那所以就是說只要是中東有戰事的話我們的中油的價格就受到了受到了很大的一個影響反而是亞洲地區因為戰事的關係 |
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就是說它其實是分散了那我在這裡就是說經濟部有沒有考慮就是要把台灣的石油進口轉移到美國的一個採購那你剛才也有講到了就是說在緊急的狀況其實我們還是有特別的辦法 |
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那總統在去年也宣布了就是說台灣將採購更多的美國的天然氣顯然有意擴大了台灣天然氣的一個進口的來源這個是一件好事情那同樣原油呢是不是美國會添購更多的那個台灣會添購更多的美國的石油市長有沒有這樣的一個準備 |
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謝謝委員的指導確實荷姆治海峽的地緣政治的關係相當的敏感那我們近幾年來不管是現在受到中東戰事的影響我們也針對於美國的原油的量的部分也是有在增加那未來多元的能源的來源就是我們未來的方向不管是原油或是天然氣都是如此 |
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再請教一下央行副總裁還是要回到在之前就是三月份的時候我有跟總裁討論到了一個平穩物價基金平穩物價基金其實我們從2022年的那個 |
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7593.619 |
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烏俄戰爭開始到現在我們看到了歷年歷年就是說整體的一個地緣政治危機帶給台灣往往是物價就是高漲那高漲的時候你石油是馬上看得到了可是 |
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如果是葵花油大豆這些大眾物資的話中央政府面對的這些物價的一個問題通常我們給的解方都是有限的所以說在這裡跟央行特別請教有沒有機會因為我一直在講說你這個平穩物價基金你是要成立的你不能老是靠你的一個護稅護稅減稅的一個方式去來解決這些辦法那我想聽副總裁的一個說法 |
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報告委員因為所謂的物價平穩基金應該是由行政院來主導對那央行如果有需要的部分我們會再研議吧行政院來主導行政院一定會聽聽央行你有什麼樣的一個建議嗎 |
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因為報告委員因為您今天剛扔出這個議題我自己對這個問題我上個上三頁的時候就問了你們總裁啦那你們總裁告訴我也是一樣啊說這個不關央行的事情央行只管貨幣是嗎如果央行的責任只有這麼簡單的話只是那個機制的本身可能不合適由央行來主導啦好 |
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就是再一次跟副總裁再提醒不斷的提醒那個央行是有這樣的一個責任的副總裁你請回我想就是行政院的解方還是從那個烏鵝戰爭那一套留下來的 |
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就是持續的護稅的一個減徵在次長我想這個也是讓你提醒你啦倒是主計長這一個減徵都已經很久了可是有沒有平穩地那個物價的功能你自己憑良心講主計長你自己憑良心講已經做了這麼久了 |
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以三月來講我們三月的整個物價才1.2所以它整個是影響不大所以真正要看四月那四月整個的部分我們整個的一個主席長我現在在提醒的就是說那如果我們用惡物戰爭在整體它的核心核心的一個CPI這樣子的一個算法來講的話其實在短期內它很快喔它很快喔它會超過2.0 |
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不會 因為現在你都每一次都跟我說不會那個通膨那我難道還要問你說額外增進萬萬多嗎每個禮拜都在討論每個物價都對於針對物價的一個波動的問題包括你所謂的塑膠袋的問題包括所謂的瀝青的問題這個我們都有研究都有在討論研究的一個解決方法所以我們不會讓它物價的通膨再往上漲 |
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原則上是我們會有一些相關穩定的措施來做 |
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我每一次都是要再重複一次是我們絕對不要重演2022年不會這個歷史的經驗告訴我們是我跟你講要準備雖然你一直出來信心喊話我還是要再跟你提醒是主席長沒有那麼樂觀這是副院長親自召集的物價穩定小組我都親自參加每次都親自參加是 |
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我還是覺得沒有那麼樂觀謝謝 謝謝主席 謝謝大家謝謝賴慧雲委員我們待會在劉淑檳委員結束質詢之後我們休息五分鐘上洗手間因為今天時間發言的人是非常的多那請各位委員後續大家把時間稍微注意一下好不好好 來 接下來請劉淑檳委員 |
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好謝謝主席那有請央行副總裁還有經濟部賴次長跟中油的董事長上台 |
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好 副總裁根據主計處公布的這個三月的CPI它的年增率僅到1.2%但是我們看到的是它是因為中油在檔還包括了水果物價下降但是總共在IPI的部分以美元計價的部分月增率到4.68%年增率還到8.53%我這次特別注意到中央銀行的報告當中他指出來說他以這個IEA |
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還有OECD還有INF跟World Bank當中我指出來說這次中東的這個動盪呢比兩次石油危機加上沃爾戰爭的總和都還要嚴峻嘛對不對對好那這次呢我就想說那央行你特別在後面有講到說會採取的是說對妥適的一個貨幣政策嘛那我就想說那你們的觀察點是在哪裡呢 |
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觀察這個貨幣的就是說趁貨幣政策要做一些調整的話你們觀察點是在哪裡在決定後面的措施呢我們基本上還是看我們對那個物價的國內物價的通貨膨脹的情況而定 |
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就只有這樣子 對那通貨膨脹在哪個區間哪個一個數據才會呈現出來嗎我們目前我們過去大概都會在2%的時候是我們的一個警戒線CPI是2%的時候對 但是已經有調整過的嘛 |
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這是因為你們有這個評議物價機制啦不過你們現在既然不願意看的話我覺得你們應該是尊重還是國際間的這個趨勢嘛對不對其他的央行的趨勢當然那個整個國際的經濟金融情勢也會影響到整個國際的金融變化和物價變化我們也會當然會關注這個議題的發展 |
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好 那我們在下面再請下一位再請的是信基部次長因為我們看到這是中東最大的這個動盪是因為這個進口能源的價格上升當然你採取的啞鈴最低價還包括一些緩漲的這個措施等等但是依然凸顯出我國的能源的依賴度非常高還有我的能源韌性 |
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具體一點是我們對比去年今年的3月跟去年的3月我們節電了1.68% |
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那除此之外這個是深度節能就是我們能源轉型提升韌性的一環另外一個部分非常的重要是多元的綠能老天爺給我們的我們的自己能源假如可以增加的話這樣子是很好的你會具體說有沒有什麼措施什麼之類的啊比如說我們的離岸風電現在併網數已經達到4.5這個一個GGA還有包括太陽能光電的話已經達到15.6 |
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這些都不需要進口的這是老天爺給我的節能部分呢?因為有些這個空氣健康聯盟他們講到說我們的節能啊包括能源效率的提升是非常不好的事實上數據啊更顯示了我們針對於老舊的所謂的家電的這個設施汰換的部分大概今年都可以達到我們的目標除此之外 目標是多少?基本上好像是700多萬台 |
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那我們分幾年就把這個今年大概是最後一年可以把我們統計的這個老舊的這個家電把它汰換完那除此之外的話最重要的是工業生產的一個部分那工業生產我們結合包括韌性的方案包括對於節能標章的一個補助我們協助我們的所謂的產業界然後針對於他生產的一個熱棒或是他的冷氣的設施來做一些的輔導跟汰換 |
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我想這部分 次長你這邊是不是要匯後給我一個報告這樣子好 沒有問題那我們繼續再往下看 再請問一下中油因為這次的中油的部分的油價最後20幾年以稅前批售價的部分來看的話其實沒什麼大變 |
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那最重要的變化最重要就是還是以杜拜以7D3B就是加上布蘭特有流的方式來進行但是現在的中油的進口石油六成來自美國嘛四成來自中東地區那是不是呢如果你用7D3B的話呢這個漲幅是高達65% |
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那如果改的現狀是6W4D的方式呢再漲幅是54%了它這個存在的11%的這種差距是不是就可能可以改變掉那是不是這樣才能改變到成為更真實的去反映成本 |
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首先澄清一下這所謂六成西德州原油事實上我們西德州原油買的還是用布蘭特計價所以它還是B並不是西德州原油這第一個澄清第二個就是所謂7D3B或6D4B來講在整個油價公司它其實是算漲幅它不是算那個絕對值 |
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那麼當外界呢對於這個技嘉的公司比例上有所存疑那中央公司也答應了在半年內做出這個檢討好但是這個半年之內我們想要再繼續看下去因為你們的版本當中是以過去是用在以運費啦然後還有匯率啊加油站等營運的這個費用等等是不是可以考要到不同來源地的這個運費啊還有地緣政治波動的保險費跟售電價跟員工薪資影響的成本都會不會算進去 |
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這次這個油價檢討的話我們有這個考慮把一些以往沒有考慮進去的因素呢也一起納進來一起做一個檢討那是不是到時候你們可以把這樣的一個因素放進來讓本席也知道說你們到時候這半年之內事實上半年之內太久了耶是 這部分我們會一起納入檢討 |
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昨天看到的是中國提供十大會台措施的出爐 |
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這邊包括在第五項跟第七項、第八項當中有對於說要對台灣的農業產品包括以採取便利或是小微企業開拓大陸市場這些部分要提供一些便利方便但是這邊我們也看到中國曾經有說有病蟲害或是註冊的問題對台灣的產品有做禁運的部分 |
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經濟部的態度是怎麼樣那如何避免風險尤其是有些預警機制是不是要提出來甚至還有包括我們也看到說過去農業部分有這種好多項的這樣的國家核心關鍵技術他怎麼樣防止他外流 |
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去年我們繳出12年來量力的成...積極成長率的成績單今年依照大家的預估也差不多7.6、7.7左右甚至比中國的4.6都還大幅的所以我們針對於五大信賴產業包括協助中小微企業的轉型傳統產業的轉型力主台灣 |
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行銷全世界佈局全球這個就是我們的一個方向那至於你剛剛講農運產品的部分那因為那是屬於農業部的一個主管不過基本上我們看到幾個數據來看的話不論是三大的投資方案截到目前為止的話將近有差不多是2.6兆我們預估到明年可能也超過3.6兆元左右所以我們在既有的這個所謂的軌道上面 |
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然後來協助我們國內企業的轉型還有包括他AI的運用甚至是對於我們所注意的維生的半導體還有包括AI的這個部分的發展這就是我們現在所做的所以你們認為是對中國就不必特別去注意是嗎過去 |
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有統計的數字啊但是台灣全世界各國的一個資金離開中國的一個狀況還是幾乎是一個天來勢的一個下降好 這個我就想繼續再問下去沒問題沒問題我們應該要依照我們自己的這個策略跟我們的步伐然後謹慎的一步一步來面對國際的經濟的一個挑戰 |
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這也是看到經濟部的態度那我們繼續往下看到在韌性特別預算當中經濟部持續的提供了四項的產業四大措施嘛460億那這邊呢最重要是提升技術能量跟加強海外市場 |
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但是呢我們就想問一下呢經濟部你這邊多元市場分散有增加一些比較多的國家的他們這些比例嗎那有沒有新增市場那我看到有那個報導就是他們做調查是說希望說經濟部這邊我國家這邊能夠在新簽訂的雙邊的貿易協定的規劃這樣會對我們的擴展外交市場有大幫助那請問這邊叫經濟部市長你們這邊的回答是怎麼樣 |
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好 謝謝委員在我起初的這個報告裡面提到我們針對於強化海外的佈局的一個市場包括海外的拓銷的部分我們不但是結合了工協會而也給個別的廠商更多的補助讓他們用台灣但是我要看效果啊那效果的部分我剛剛已經有提到了不管是我們的經濟成長實質的成長率我們都比過去的還更好 |
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那個是有特殊原因我現在大家看一下市長你看一下這邊我們看到的情況是113年的時候美國是排名在出口值的第二個大市場到去年2025年的時候美國變成第一大市場那這個部分呢把它越高而且我們順差也變得越高那這邊對於說要去如果用 |
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美國用關稅的上面來去做我們的一些協商來去做一些處理的話呢這又變成一個可能是很大的一個部分就是你們這邊其他的部分對東協啦歐洲日本這些部分呢有沒有再去增加它的一種比例因為看起來還是美國最大的一個集中度啊這樣其實對我並不是好事啊 |
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第一個不管是我們的海外的這個貿易中心不管是在波蘭或是日本我們都有設立那另外的話你剛剛講到這個數據因為AI的大幅的成長那當然它這個部分也是我們重要的生產的這個外銷的一個來源所以你會看到這個增比是很大的但是我們在全球佈局上面不管你是你剛剛講的東亞東協甚至是包括菲律賓這些我們經濟部不管是貿易處 |
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我們都有很多的一些相關的一些沒有我希望是看到這實際上有分散的效果不然你們當初的這個效果任性的這個條例的效果我們可能沒有達到那最後一部分就在好那最後我就這樣相關的部分我再請這個請做書面報告因為反映出來一個問題就是說如果要組成一個國家還是說增加美國的部分的話可能是國家隊的意見必須要國家隊是希望政府能幫忙的部分那就請經濟部這邊再給我們後面一個報告好不好 |
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我們後續就請經濟部用書面回覆劉淑冰委員好不好 謝謝主席那我們就先休息五分鐘我們等一下就五分鐘之後一定準時開始否則我們今天會拖到很晚 謝謝 |
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繼續開會 請李燕秀 李昭偉質詢謝謝主席 我是不是可以邀請陳淑珠 陳淑資主席長永陽行副總裁 法務部的張司長衛福部的林靜怡次長經濟部的賴次長 國發會的高副主委高副主委 請一邊上台 |
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大家好因為今天時間非常緊湊我們在最近針對聯合稽查的部分我們大規模的發動了好幾次的稽查目前稽查的結果其實很大的陣仗但是我們卻沒有任何一件涉嫌違法對不對幾乎都是合法的對不對稽查的結論 |
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根委員報告目前我們在稽查的情形裡面大概有兩件是有列入他治安在做偵辦的那其餘的部分也有一些可能看起來是有異常情形也都在持續的釐清他的這個漲價的情形 |
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也就是說目前看到的大的漲價的狀況沒有異常囤積或不法的烘台形勢其他兩件都還在調查當中就是說物價上漲並不是聯合的壟斷而是我們現在國際原物料飆漲結構性的問題推升的一個結果 |
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就是說現在的漲價都應該是輸入性通膨的問題就是說我們目前的結論就是漲價是真的但是沒有任何不法的狀況不是跟犯罪沒有關係我可以做這樣的結論嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為法務部我們主責的部分就是針對刑事的部分那有犯罪嫌疑的部分我清楚都在他站調查就是說漲價是真的但是這大致上都沒有囤積的事實那我們最近看到 |
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到底涨了哪些东西包括现在前一阵子大家讨论到的塑胶袋之乱之外但现在涨价也进入了医院根据医院团的调查79%的医院反映塑胶衣材的供货上涨42%医院订货受到了很大的影响包括我们大家都知道的次长 |
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PVC的手套漲了35%到46%抽痰管漲了17%到24%保料管漲了25%到21%氣管抽痰漲了21%細菌過濾器漲了10%到32% |
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超過一半的醫院都反映大量的這些狀況都訂貨42%的醫院訂貨受到影響29%的醫院庫存量也出現不足的狀況這個是整體目前漲價的狀況所以這不是夜市攤販買不到塑膠袋的問題 |
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次長這不是買不到塑膠袋的問題這是現在醫院包括抽痰管跟導尿管手套都在漲價的問題這個漲價的狀況物價飆漲包括供貨有可能持續的惡化 |
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也會影響到我們現在醫療院所業務維持的監控包括後續我們更擔心的是醫療服務品質甚至會侵害到醫院病人就醫的權益這個是我們後續擔心的狀況當然 |
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我知道市長我們現在有四個具體的措施可以去做處理包括跨部會的協助供應通報還有支付標準的調整等狀況但是我聽到很多醫療院所的陳情包括他們跟我們溝通多數都不是缺貨的問題而是成本的飛漲 |
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這個成本的飛漲後續這就不是我們藥物平台可以去做處理的那衛福部的剛才的書面報告我也讀到就是說你們有提到說可以申請調高相關的一些給付的價格包括任性預算當中我們也編列了200億的安全準備金那我要請問次長我們目前有廠商提出申請嗎目前兩家 |
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那我們現在請他們拿出他們的成本的這個部分才能夠讓健保署這邊去做計算因為這個我想委員也很清楚長期在未還所以我們在健保給付的價格事實上要請廠商這邊拿出他們相關的成本價格然後重新來做討論市長但是我們知道我剛剛講這些狀況不會只有兩家會有成本的問題因為這個後面就是 |
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醫院營運成本整個提高我跟您報告就是說第一個事情其實醫院這邊跟各家廠商多數如果是大型醫療院所他們在原先的供貨是有供貨的契約所以供貨的契約這邊他們不能自己去就是說自己去把他的成本做調整因為原來供貨的那個成本就有處理這是第一個事情 |
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第二個事情我們現在其實在我們是從源頭端來做處理所以說我們也很感謝經濟部協助我們我們總共27家藥品跟醫材廠商有跟我們通報但是其中7家他們到今年年底都還有庫存的這個資料我要請教次長就是說我們後面會不會開會討論支付的標準要調整 |
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我想成本提高了這個部分我們在支付標準的部分兩個事情第一個事情是因為如果醫院本身跟他的這個醫材或藥品廠商簽的約他簽了約那時候他的原來供給的那個價格其實他成本上面事實上回到的是廠商這裡不是醫院這裡 |
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廠商成本提高他可能也會跟醫院溝通所以跟您報告說我們的方向事實上現在是請經濟部協助就是讓他的供貨這邊從供貨成本來做處理避免廠商這邊因為我們去調健保價事實上是醫院這邊可是健保價他的給付我們給付健保價對醫院來講他的成本他原先跟廠商這邊簽的約他影響不在這邊我再請問一個問題市長我們會比較輸益的方式處理嗎 |
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蘇伊現在是缺貨缺貨的時候我們是用專案進口全面我們自己來處理那你會編列專案的預算來去做後續的處理嗎委員現在全世界它都是在這個塑膠的原料的部分我知道這是世界性的問題但是在廠商這邊或者是在醫院端這邊我們會不會有專案的方式來協助我們現在就是說如果在 |
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真的他就因為他的這個成本影響到他這個健保給付價格那就剛剛像剛剛跟委員報告的我們走健保的這個溢價的程序他回到我們供你會來做處理那如果有需求我們立法供你會就來開但是廠商這邊要那個成本的資料給我們那你錢從哪裡來就是那200億 |
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9431.442 |
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兩百億 那個準備金如果兩百億準備金不夠的話呢我們現在估起來會夠因為估起來寬估跟窄估大概都在幾十億而已好 但是我們還是希望是說因為健保價的調整它影響很大我希望這個是短期的對 所以我們希望只要做各式各樣model的 |
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我們會從前端原料端來做處理那接下來我就要請問一下就是說在這段時間無論是塑膠袋的缺貨或相關的一些塑膠製品的缺貨這個差價我知道衛福部之前有請經濟部協調大型石化廠優先供應國人醫療所需 |
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所以當時中油的專案提供了五千噸的平價乙烯那這個五千噸的平價乙烯這個價格是由誰吸收?中油吸收了嗎? |
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這個是由我們中油公司來協調它包括它下油供應商台塑公司一起來讓這個所謂的不管是進料的價格或是出料的這個價格的部分維持一個平穩我知道 那這個價格是誰吸收 因為中間有差價嘛沒有嗎 還是你直接叫廠商就是一定要給你平價 不可能吧 |
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中油供給台塑的生產塑膠力的售價部分就是平穩的專案平穩的一個措施這個價格的部分不會像外面坊間叫價你要漲到50%或是多少%以上 |
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妳跟台塑是用什麼樣的價格?跟過去一樣的價格嗎?這5000噸的平價乙烯,妳叫平價乙烯,妳是用什麼樣的價格?跟過去價格一樣嗎?他們現在已經有簽訂一個合約了我要問的就是,這個價格跟過去不一樣嘛,因為都在缺貨嘛所以這個價格是誰吸收了? |
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市長跟委員報告就是這個五千噸是一個專案的評價的專案那輸送的對象就是給台塑那我們給他以息這個產品那價格的部分的話呢就是評價所以在價格的部分有做一些特別的考慮那麼雙方互相吸收是他退一些你退一些但是還是有差距誰吸收中右吸收還是跟過去的價格一樣 |
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9556.21 |
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9574.939 |
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現在乙烯的價格都比戰前要漲嘛我知道漲嘛那是它漲嘛所以這個部分是誰吸收因為你提供給五千噸的平價乙烯給所有的廠商嘛來解決我們現在價格是誰吸收 差價他去做那個塑膠粒的部分他不漲啊 |
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沒關係 我接下來問通膨的問題 我想問一下經濟部跟國發會剛剛中國董事長也說過了 我們目前油價要三到六個月才恢復中東的局勢 談談停停 談談停停我們當然希望短期能夠恢復 但這都不是我們能夠掌握的 |
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但是主席長我也要提醒主席長剛剛好幾位委員問說這個到底通膨1.8合不合理我們當然希望是維持在2底下但是很多東西一漲上去就回不來了我從來沒有聽到滷肉飯或大腸麵線一碗漲上去5塊之後就因為油價平衡不打漲又再回歸回來所以他外資會是要高一點 外資會 |
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9648.41 |
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外食會是比較高一點所以很多東西是漲上去就回不來了嘛但是水果蔬菜都回來了這個我知道但是在民眾普遍的感受上就是很多東西漲上去回不來我們薪水不可能因為油價關係什麼都漲我們也跟老闆講說我們要漲薪水嘛所以沒有這個所以我覺得就是說因為 |
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我們現在是我們用幾個工具包括我們現在的貨物稅調整貨物稅或者油電的目前的動漲那中長期我們國發會的中長期的政策到底是什麼還有沒有什麼其他的工具 |
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因為九月份之後我不知道我們還會不會持續的動漲這個當然是政府的決定我也都尊重但是我們還有什麼其他的工具去處理抑制通膨的問題如果是持續的油價一直漲中東局勢沒有短時間獲得解決的話後續怎麼做處理 |
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9685.362 |
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我們研判目前的全球燃油市場如果不是中東戰爭的話是功過於求包括美國已經成為燃油的主要出口國所以我們認為中東這個戰爭應該是一個一段時間短期性的所以我們現在的措施基本上就像委員所說的如果一旦物價有僵固性一旦漲上去就很難回來 |
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9735.924 |
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所以我們現在短期的策略就是你們現在都預估它是短期性的沒有人知道我們都希望它是短期的但是沒有人會預估我們都不知道下一刻會發生什麼事情所以我覺得你目前還是沒有回應到我們希望看到政府有各式各樣因應的措施而且很多東西三到六個月包括董事長也回應說能源的供應鏈需要三到六個月才能夠回復 |
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9755.444 |
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如果到第二季末的時候中東局勢還沒有獲得解決的話那到三到六個月再往上加三到六個月才能恢復那就到年底囉就台灣來說我們如果說影響油價的話一個是我們大宗商品跟石油跟天然氣是依靠進口的那這個是會由國際市場來決定 |
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9766.135 |
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所以我剛講的就是我們目前除了油電停漲之外我們還有貨物稅目前減50%包括像韓國有發油價的支援金等等我的問題是我們中長期還有什麼樣的手段 |
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9806.276 |
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就是控制我們CPI維持在這樣1.8或者2.0以下我想外在的國際的原油 油氣跟大宗商品不是我們可以過程由國際市場來決定那我們基本上我們會包括用央行的貨幣政策或者是我們的一些關稅的減免的相關措施我們儘量可以用我們的政策工具把外在的這些價格的阻斷在可以減輕對國內的 |
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9834.171 |
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那至於國內的話我覺得影響比較大的是我們的譬如說蔬菜還有一些水果或者是一些我們一些農產品的價格那我想農業部也會有相關的這些產銷工具你還是沒有回答到我的問題這些工具我都清楚還有什麼樣特別的手段來中長期來去做處理譬如說韓國它發油價的支援金等等我們現在說我們用凍漲 |
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9835.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
9858.606 |
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韓國是用油價的支援金那我們第二季第三季如果狀況不好通膨又一直往上的話你有什麼樣特別的手段其實其實動漲其實剛剛的動漲是由國營事業來吸收政府預算來撥補跟韓國他直接補貼到民眾其實是異曲同工只是用不同的途徑我知道所以我才問說那有沒有可能如果九月份我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
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如果要讓他講的話那會不會用類似像油價資源金來去做後續的取代式我想聽到你做不同的答覆我想我們到時候會再考慮大概兩者的措施哪一個利弊得失對台灣的經濟是比較好的所以不排除類似像韓國的油價資源金等等也可以是考慮的範圍我一直覺得我們台灣應該不會到需要用韓國的 |
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我當然希望情勢不要那麼糟糕但是我覺得各式各樣手段我覺得政府都應該做好積極的準備以上是我今天的質詢 謝謝接下來請羅明財委員 |
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主席各位很出列的習慣員主席柯某請你剛剛的質詢都上來好了好再一次啦好 謝謝因為這種最近大家都很關心嘛首先就是問一下是國安會副主委啦我剛剛聽你講的有幾個地方好像還蠻精彩的 |
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我想請問一下高副主委還有以及周報相關的官員現在就是萬物飆漲那請問副主委那現在有什麼美漲 |
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我覺得因為這個是世界各國都面對的問題因為石原油跟天然氣是所有產品生產的重要的原物料之一那它當然它價格上漲一定會導致幾乎所有產品都會影響到它的所以都一直漲那不見得因為就台灣來說其實我們採取的 |
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那個油價的這個雙平穩的制度包括我們亞林最低價我們設法把外在的衝擊儘量就是減輕對國內相關的油氣價格的一些漲幅的變動其實我是一個簡單的問題因為在民間如果年輕人對答講話A跟B講說哇 現在外物飆漲B會回答就是說有一個東西沒漲 |
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你猜猜看是什麼兩個字叫做薪水所以這個民間的新生你剛講那麼多我們在聽啊而且你長你也可以講啊台積電也長啊台積電長我覺得是你也很開心嘛去年台積電的那個腳褲這個是多少 |
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大概兩三百億台積電放到現在已經漲到快兩千塊了會不會賣?基本上台積電是我們國泊基金的核心持股不會釋出一張都不會賣 |
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基本上我們最近幾年都一張都沒有賣那明年會不會賣?今年會不會賣?我們沒有,我們短期沒有釋出的計畫短期是指三天還是五天?近期近期是指一個月還是兩個月?我覺得我們的事股我們有國發經濟有事股的政策跟原則其實為什麼高的時候你們不要事股咧? |
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我覺得台積電是台灣的在半導體裡面因為非常重要的一個廠商然後半導體也是台灣在全球的供應鏈裡面占有非常關鍵的地位好 2000塊嘛 你的成本是多少 |
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應該現在如果加上配股配息應該是幾乎零成本零成本哇 你看這塊多肥啊這樣子喔國家有難的時候年輕人現在很辛苦萬屋飆漲口袋裡沒什麼錢上次普發現金一萬你有沒有領到我想每個人都有領到大概百分之九十八現場有沒有人沒領到請舉手 |
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全部都領了啦這個政策很好大家都領了很開心所以現在遇到的問題就是石油飆漲影響到萬物起漲那本席有提一個案就是像那個韓國現在也在對這個石油的這個幫忙補助 |
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這個 津貼啦 叫石油津貼我現在已經在提案了齁獲得大多數委員齁 沒 沒有人反對啊我現在就要連署了可是他們就說 錢齁 那怎麼辦咧我大概還是一個就是大概一萬塊左右啦齁 |
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那理由就是因為萬物飆漲連手搖飲也開始漲滷肉飯雞腿飯蜘蛛餐你有沒有去吃蜘蛛餐我那天去他說親愛的顧客從即日開始每樣都漲十塊錢 |
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所以因為這個石油漲錯不在民眾所以我們要幫助民眾特別是幫助年輕人所以再來一次今年就是石油津貼每一個人石油津貼一萬塊你贊不贊成 |
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我想要跟委員報告我們今年的第一季的CPI只有1.23其實遠較於我們預估的1.38為低所以我想要糾正一次台灣並不是萬物齊掌這個事實我從CPI當然我覺得委員你說的外食費這一塊的確是比我們的CPI來得高可是我記得3月也降到3%以下了對不對 |
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所以的確我們有一些民眾的那些小吃某個程度上的反應不見得是這次的美伊戰爭包括我們其實我們台灣有某個程度確保還有一些那個我都知道你要講就是有些都沒講 |
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但是現在民眾的反應就是那麼強烈啦齁那第二個我要另外這個時間關係我要問你的是就是說你剛講台積電兩千塊你們不會賣嘛短期不會賣那請問現在兩千塊你會不會買呃 基本上我們是我們股票信託我們是不能進出的不是 你會不會再買啦就是說我以我現在以政務官的我們是沒有辦法購買單一的這些股票所以你不會再買台積電了 |
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就是 我想 我不能買 目前我無法好 你不能買 就是不買就對了那你現在那個台積電部門你手上的持股價值總共多少市值 手上6.5%嘛你這樣算起來 你們手上持有的台積電市值是多少好幾兆吧好幾兆 別找啊 你說幾兆啊回答你 你在跑啊幾兆五萬幾千 |
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就是我們現在有6.5%的台積電的持股市值多少我想我要查一下你要查 趕快查一下你旁邊查完你再給個回答數字下一位請經濟部那未來的 你是次長那次長 我一直想說你是快升部長了做得好就有機會升部長那現在萬物起漲 電會不會漲 |
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我們在3月27號電價審議委員會已經決議今年上半年的電價不調整上半年不調整 那就7月開始就會調了啊 |
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根據電價審議委員的一個判斷跟他的評估這些狀況都是短期的現象的話因為油價上上下下很快水會不會漲我們現在沒有這個計畫水不會漲油電水氣天然氣漲了沒 |
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天然氣的話我們每個月檢討因為天然氣的一個定價是針對過去瓦斯桶小吃店都是醬片 鴿子LPG我們已經宣布沒有調整現在交都不好交因為每個人都想說哇 那都很忙啊 交不到工送啊以前要送 哇 A不送 B就送現在又有點就是啊 我沒營啦 沒營啦 |
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會不會有這樣的情況出現統創法師那夠用就好啦事實上你家裡面儲存的太多事實上也造成一些管理上面或是安全上物價你們還是要看住啦好不好謝謝另外請那個央行好了 |
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副總裁你好我很好現在那個全世界有經過伊朗現在都說要收那個虛擬貨幣比特幣央行現在計畫推出了央行的數字貨幣你們以後最大的一顆是價值大概多少錢 |
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報告委員我們目前只是在研議我們並沒有要我現在就在研議研議的時候今年沒推出就是下半年下半年不推出就明年明年你說還沒好那後年請問你那個比特幣現在一顆多少錢 |
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我印象中應該是六七萬了吧六七萬 之前漲到十二萬那以後推出了央行的數字貨幣最大的一顆要價值大概多少錢報告委員因為這個我們內部我們並沒有對外公布所以我也不方便你對外不要公布啊 你在立法院公布就好了 |
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因為我們現在只是在研議我們並沒有對外研議中最大顆一顆大概是價值多少錢我們那個計價的定位其實是要思考的我們目前政府在推動的是穩定幣的問題現在有四家金通準備要介入虛擬貨幣交易所 |
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那是虛擬貨幣交易但是跟穩定幣還是有一點距離你虛擬貨幣交易所你就要有東西啊如果央行推出的話就很多人會下去買啊而且你如果央行趕快推出了以後你再像中東這個事以後就用中華民國央行發行的數字貨幣大家都願意接受啊 |
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包括我也因為新台幣不是一個因為現在有人不接受美金啊那你要現在台幣越來越強啊而且台幣我們現在那個上個月就是出口的部分也成長很多啊表示台灣越來越強啊而且兩岸政習會之後也變得比較感覺和平多啊兩岸只要和平那台灣 |
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那個中華民國發的央行的數字貨幣那一顆可能都會超過比特幣啊趕快發好不好謝謝委員的指教好 現在那個主計處主委長剛剛本席講到那個就是現在民眾苦哈哈啦你來算一下 |
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如果每一個人來發一萬塊的石油津貼韓國瑜發了發一萬塊的石油津貼大概要準備多少錢就跟現金一樣2360億再一次 拜託 |
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今年還沒發啊 今年很多人還沒收到啊我們先從動漲開始動漲如何 這樣就免得再發一些發放的成本你看看喔 上次那個不怕現金一萬塊對整個經濟的發展有了多少的幫助 |
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2360億整個差不多有乘數效應啊出去那個外面那個我看一下小吃攤啊什麼小朋友那個一點多0.415好了你就0.415再發一次就有0.415啊努力想一下啦我現在已經開始在連署了截至目前還沒有人反對的 |
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大家都贊成 所以你們要準備一下 2000多也不多是不是很多嗎這個金額會不會很大很大 那個1.25兆大不大 |
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1.25兆是國防它是我們的一個天頓那對我們來講是多重要所以我上次又問那個國防部長我說你不要說1.25兆很重要你講3兆5兆你如果掛保證我們就叫美國好大賣兆啊把我們保好掉啊所以你說那個天頓1.25兆到底有沒有效 |
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不是 這個要機器來了 用了才知道 有沒有很像這我們現在來講 好啦 我要回到今天啦就是那個一萬塊每一個人的石油津貼你那邊也開始同步進行一下因為我們上次發過了這一次發的成本就會很低因為有一次經驗嘛一而再 第二次來的話就會更自在 好不好 謝謝 |
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謝謝羅秘財委員的質詢油價支援金的部分在下半年有沒有可能發我覺得無論是1.25兆的國防預算跟油價支援金對民眾來說兩個都很重要所以這都是我們行政院可以主計總處這邊可以列入思考的範圍好 接下來請李昆成委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席那我們請主席講 |
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委員好主席長好我們在去年10月的時候有通過這個強化經濟社會及民生國安認証特別預算那這個預算應該是有這個5,447億那這個預算通過之後呢那其實我們有預留200億253億是屬於一個彈性的額度嘛對不對那我現在就請教一下這個主席長 |
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因為現在我們面對中東戰事我們政府其實有很多處理的機制在有油價雙環漲的機制就是我們有亞林最低價 油價平穩措施中油目前也吸收了大概107億左右我們還有稅負的減增 |
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稅負減徵包含這個我們的汽柴油的貨物稅啊關鍵原物料的這個賦稅啊還有這個桶裝瓦斯的貨物稅減徵然後還有民生的這一個這個價格也動漲比如說我們的這個電價還有這一個天然氣等等還有包含這個公共運輸的票價等等那我是想請教就是說因為我們這一個預算是這個韌性特別預算那這次遇到這個中東三十這個 |
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你說253,257億,是不是?253253,談心運用的,那可以運用到這次的中東戰事嗎?比如說受到影響的各行各業,那我剛才講了這麼多政府的這些補貼的措施 |
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我這個案子我也之前就因為這253可不可以用這個我們就做討論過然後我們也跟部會討論討論它裡面的一些項目可不可以容納他說不行所以如果說這一些項目要放進去那必須辦理 |
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這個條例的一個修正那條例修正之後呢我們再把這253億辦理追加預算因為這253億並沒有在預算裡面所以你要用也是要再透列預算 |
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這253億不是就在我們這個整個特別預算裡面沒有他就沒有邊內預算他5,770他條例5,770但是邊內預算只邊內5,447億所以253億是沒有邊內預算的所以這就是剩餘但是你如果要用還要再邊內預算第二個還必須條例裡面有這相關的內容才可以這樣 |
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所以就是說我們現在已經通過了這個預算裡面如果我剛才講的那些補貼措施也沒辦法用到就對了因為我們這次是應付美國的關稅嘛然後這次是運動中東的戰事嘛沒有辦法用目前只有那個衛福部表示他兩百億的部分可以其他單位大部分都不行尤其是經濟部我們請他去過濾他說這個不行所以必須要另外修改條例或者是辦追加減預算 |
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好 那我再請問一下這個主席長那我剛才講了這麼多政府的一些補貼的措施你有沒有想過到下半年度這些預算因為這個還是屬於這個政府的預算嘛你不管是董事長 那董事長你可能這個補貼最後還是要編預算嘛比如說終於他也編了這個這個增資預算等等你有沒有算過說這些預算大概需要多少錢有沒有 有沒有一個統計 |
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我們目前就是請各單位統計如果繼續延長這樣子的話大概是他們提出需求是1292億那裡面有包括經濟部、中油公司的741億、能源署的 |
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還有台電公司的300億這些等等包括交通部85億、農業部56億這些等那加起來遠遠超過我們剛剛所說的不夠不夠所以我們如果要的話就必須第一個再弄一個特別條例然後再 |
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辦一個特別的預算針對這一個部分來做一個辦理一個預算的一個部分條例通過之後我們就辦理預算然後第二個再籌措裁員所以我剛好就是要問主席講這件事情因為我們因應這個美國關稅我們有一個特別預算特別條例嘛五千多億嘛那現在因應中東戰事那我們剛剛政府也做了這麼多穩定物價或是補貼民生的一些這些措施那當然需要錢 |
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那你剛才算過說大概需要快將近一千三百億那所以說是不是我們接下來為了因應中東戰事那我們是不是也提出類似這一種特別條例然後再編一個特別運算因為各行各業都受到影響啊是所以這個部門請願你來做財事好不好跟業務單位就是相關的部門提出需求然後由行政院來做財事所以 |
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主計長你認為說有這個需要跟這個必須性就是說提出這一個特別條例然後需要提出這樣或者是說我們直接辦追加預算直接辦追加預算好那辦追加預算總預算也還沒通過啊對追加預算就是卡在就是說總預算沒有通過所以我們才會說那是用還是用特別條例總預算就沒有通過總預算沒有通過你怎麼辦追加預算所以難度就在這裡是好 |
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那看起來就是說這個總預算不知道啦那可是就是說至少在總計在主席長的想法裡面也希望說因應這次的重重預算是我們再編一個特別條例然後編一個特別預算至少剛剛各部會會籍過來大概也需要一千三百億左右是好那我接下來再請教一下主席長請回我選這個經濟部經濟部今天是次長來嘛來次長好來謝謝 |
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你們有一個塑膠袋的評價專案嘛那大家也很關心就是說我們希望每個月增加大概12.5億個塑膠袋所以說這個計畫現在已經開始做了嗎? |
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已經開始做了,中油在3月31號釋清開爐生產而4月10號也把生產的這個乙烯送到下游的台塑公司因為台塑公司在生產塑膠粒,這些都已經在做了那所以這個12.5億個塑膠袋是哪時候會出來? |
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大概這禮拜因為他還要做品管混裝還有包裝這個部分基本上還沒出來之前事實上我們的產發署已經媒合了差不多是20家的廠商針對於現有的所謂的他掌握到的塑膠力的部分已經在加量在生產那次長 |
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這個請教一下因為現在媒體有質疑說這個塑膠袋就算你們做出來有增加12.5億那這個售價也會漲大概三成左右沒有我們透過我們經濟部的協調包括台塑公司以及上游的乙烯的供應者中游公司我們是用平價的專案所以塑膠袋也不會漲 |
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現在的話我們用評價的專案來做供應所以這個跟現在市面上所大家謠傳的現在或是實質上面的那個實質上的漲幅是有很大的差距的這是一個評價那上游原料漲當然中游也有吸收啦 |
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因為你如果原來有漲然後你現在送給中油請台塑、台聚去做中油吸收最主要的是最上游的原油包括氫油的這些進口重點就在於說塑膠袋不會漲就對了這個部分我們用評價的方式來供應因為契約的內容我們有看到是屬於那第二個就是買得到塑膠袋了 |
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可以買得到,那買不到的話我們所謂商發署,事實上他有一個群組或是電話都訪談大概4月1號商發署就針對於全國350個商圈逐一的去訪視啊那若是大家也因為有些存貨不足啊或是說有一些不足的狀況我們商發署很快的透過這些平台來補足貨源 |
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好 就是要求經濟部第一個 塑膠袋不要漲價然後能夠供應給我們的這一個不管你是攤商或是說你是在這個店家等等塑膠袋不要缺那第二個 塑膠袋也不要漲價不要漲價不要缺 這經濟部能做到嗎 |
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我們現在透過專案的增產的五千噸的這個部分用平價了那至於一般的這個塑膠袋它各個生產商很多這個部分我們還是會透過包括聯合的茶器的這個小組來去促進這個所謂你剛剛所謂的這個塑膠袋的這個穩定措施 |
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剛剛委員也有提到 因應油價高漲我們就是採中油吸收的方式 |
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那韓國它是編了這個6.1兆韓元大概1356億的這個高油價受害資源金不過它這個是特別針對這個低收入戶啦它還有分這個首都圈非首都圈的區別等等那反正它不是全部啦它就是針對這個低收入戶然後次長您的說法就是說因為我們現在有亞聯最低價跟專案平穩的這個機制所以 |
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這個不用韓國這一套我們現在這個機制就可以處理好就對了 |
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在經濟部的立場是促進能源的進口的數量的穩定還有價格的這個平穩那過去的幾週我們都做到這一些那以目前為止的話綜合公司在油品的吸收107.3億元左右那我們持續的透過這些的機制來維持這個油價的一個穩定那除此之外的話事實上包括剛剛委員也提到了貨物稅的減徵甚至是液化石油器 |
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我最後再問一個問題我請這個國發會我們的高副主委我簡短的問副主委有知道這個韓國的這個政策嗎是那國發會的評估勒 |
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我覺得韓國的政策跟我們的政策事實上是不同的approach那我們先把國際油價油氣價格的上漲我們先用我們中油吸收的方式來阻斷所以他其實到後面的對民生物價的影響其實是相對的微輕的從我們第一季的CPI可以看出來我們只有1.23原本有1.3百來高 |
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所以那他們呢 事實上他們在油價的吸收裡面他幾乎就是相對來輕微所以他用後面來補貼的方式來做所以我覺得因為物價有一個向下的僵固性我們希望從前頭阻斷了以後物價不會上來不要讓物價上來以後我們再用錢去補貼那些受害物價受害的一些群體跟群眾 |
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先請主席長 |
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委員好書記長早書記長我想我今天還是要跟你討論一個國道基金的一個議題我想上次來辦公室也跟你請教過是 |
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我想主席講國道基金主要的用途就是在於高速公路的養護還有國道的建設我想我們因應建設國道7號還有國一洋頭段的拓寬國一甲等陸續現在都要啟動迎來了3499億這樣龐大的一個支出 |
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立法院的預算中心對115年的預算評估指出營運資金短缺在擴大所以首先我要問主席講國道基金的主要來源是什麼國道基金來自於哪裡 |
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他有一些罰款的一些收入罰款還有我們政府循序依預算程序也有撥補還有國道車輛增收的通行費的收入還有汽車燃料費使用的費用也有分配於國道公路建設之用 |
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還有服務性的設施有關的收入區段徵收等等還有知習收入、受證收入其他有關收入我們法定的收入大概這幾個但是剛才主席想提到一個很重要的你說有罰款的收入 |
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所以我們現在就很不解啊這個依照我們道路交通處交通違規罰款收入分配及運用辦法國道警察局似乎沒有獲得這個罰款的收入以協助該局支應該局執法的相關費用但是他有國庫他有撥補啊 |
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國庫警政署是有撥補給他相關的一些設備的費用內政部警政署如果說你是從有保款收入直接去抽那國庫就不用撥補但是國道基金是有國庫去撥補 |
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是所以他會有國庫撥補給他現在我的意思是說你有沒有聽懂我的意思就是說你國道基金裡面有沒有配就是讓我們這些辛苦的第一線執勤的這些國道檢察局這些同仁或者國道檢察局可以獲得一些我們罰款的一個補助去作為他們執勤的一個 |
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購買設備啦或者科技設備啦或者他是這個一些安全的一個保障的一個相關的訓練費用有沒有給他們啦辛苦執勤那個錢都沒捐到那個部分他是透過公務部分來編列並不是說從這個基金來編列那你如果要從基金來編列以後我就是在公務預算的部分我就不編列就是這樣子 |
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其實這問題我很了解警政署撥補給國道檢察局的相關公務的預算它是並沒有包含我剛才講的他們在執行去取締這些違規者這些相關的罰款過去是有一定的比例會給他去採買一些他們必須要的裝備 |
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以及訓練的費用來加強他們安全的保障最近有很多我們看到公務警察發生事故在國道執行發生事故有編練 編在哪裡 |
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不是我現在跟委員報告就是說他這一個國道基金他是專款讓他專用但是公務預算的部分他只要是國道警察方面設備啦或者其他相關方面這個部分我們都有編列預算來做支應那委員您如果關心這個部分將來我們要加強來 |
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因為等於是說罰款它是進公庫然後公庫裡面我們在遇上編列的一個情形以用這樣的一個情形來編列那如果說警察人員在國道方面這一個部分要加強的部分那他們提出需求我們再來做加強會加強嗎其實我想這個過去也開過好幾次會 |
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交通部的意見 他說國道基金為專款專用性質無法支應本局經費國道執法為內政部的職權與國道基金業務支出性質不同所以他不同意說給國道檢察局一些相關的補助 |
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交通部高速公路局他也說國道基金僅能用於國道興建維護安全管理及設施改善無法配合用於國道執法他的意見是這樣不能給你補助給你相關執法的一些比如我要買科技執法相關的一些設備他說我這國道基金不能給你國道公路總局這樣講 |
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主計總署您的意見是講說國道執法與國道基金設置的目的未符所以兩個設置目的未符不予以國道基金致應所以我們現在就是要想辦法這些人也那麼辛苦這些錢都是他們去執勤他們冒著生命的危險去在高速公路執勤這比一般我們在公路上執勤更危險 |
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所以這個錢到底如何來讓他們可以獲得更多安全的設備以及讓他們有更多的錢去教育訓練讓他們執行更安全我想我在意的是這個所以你要給他相關的一些錢去採買去做這些事 |
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所以主席總副我希望你就是能夠來支持他們所以我們現在了解 我現在了解 我講一個法條給主席總副來參考就是說是不是可以研擬我們依照交通作業基金收支保管及任用辦法第十一條第二款第七目其他有關支出的規定 |
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他有一個第七目有一個其他有關支出的規定來補助國道警察局執行的相關業務的一個費用由他們來申請然後你們依照這個規定由國道基金來這個去補助給他可不可以這樣啦就不要修法就透過這樣的一個目的呢我想交通部應該會支持啊 |
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不是 這不是我能夠做決定 這交通部要去做決定就是說他是不是要修正萎縮他除了國道基金 除了建設基金之外是不是其他可以有一些的錢來做那個警察這些的一個裝備的一個開放這些的支出那我們也樂見其成所以這個部分我們是不是請交通部來做檢討 |
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檢討結果如果可以那這個部分將來要提撥百分比多少這是他們去提撥如果不行我們將來就還是從公務預算來做依註依註這樣這些那個國道的一個相關的設備我想這個總是要研擬一個方案啦我們不能就一直看了那麼多次會但是最後沒有一個結論出來好不好 |
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我希望主席總書你要支持這個很辛苦啊我們支持這個但是問題是要看交通部整個的一個錯誤結果辛苦執法這些法源他們分不到半毛錢是是是這很不公平啊是謝謝您請回接下來請那個中流的方董事長 |
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市長上週四月十號你說如果荷姆茲海峽開放中游有一艘游龍裝滿了兩百萬桶的原油兩週航程就可以抵達我們中華民國可供國內半個月的需求量但我們根據上週五的國外媒體報導伊朗又再度封鎖荷姆茲海峽 |
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這樣看起來這兩百萬桶的原油好像似乎沒有辦法順利的運達我們台灣不知道什麼時候會到當然你也提到中油也有向沙烏地阿拉伯購買原油預計四月中旬裝船完畢航程大約兩週可以抵達台灣也就是說最快要到五月份也可以到達台灣 |
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所以我想請問你這樣對我們國內油品的供應啊將會有什麼樣的影響是否能夠確保我們國內的油品供應無虞啊 |
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這兩百萬看起來就不會來了我們在戰前的時候有一艘原油輪它裝滿了油但是停在波斯灣裡面沒辦法從赫姆斯海峽出來當然對於美國跟伊朗停火之後我們也期望這個船能夠經過赫姆斯海峽能夠出來從最新的消息看起來還是要等 |
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那替代的方案的話呢就是從沙烏地阿拉伯呢它有鋪一條管線拉到這個揚埔就是在鴻海這一側那鴻海這一側能夠裝有這一艘船呢已經在10月12號你是說兩個禮拜能夠到台灣確定嗎 |
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4月12號已經裝船目前在航行回台灣的途中預估在5月份可以到所以後續的原油船從沙烏地阿拉伯大概如果沒有改變的話都會循這樣一個模式把原油運到台灣我們目前石油的存量到底還能供應多久 |
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現在7月我們國家來講這存量是90天法定的事實上都存的都是超過100天但是目前中東戰事這樣發生我們看樓價又會一直上漲 |
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你還是跟沒有戰事一樣就是純油量你說純油量大概90天嘛但是現在看起來戰事一直在好像沒有停的就打一打然後講一講後來還是沒有停戰嘛 |
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這種情況你以目前來講你可以很誠實的告訴我們目前大概存量還多少我想在量的部分做個說明雖然是中東這個戰事對於中油公司來講我們會尋求其他的油源 |
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譬如說西非譬如說澳洲譬如說地中海這個區域另外當然很重要就是從美國美國這個原油它還是會佔蠻大的比例市長我想這個中油很辛苦我們都了解我想因為動漲一直在虧損相關的預算相關到底我們石油未來要不要漲我想中油還在撐到底還能撐多久大家也很關心 |
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我想中國還是要提早做好因應國際情勢做好各種財務分析到底我們油價未來要怎麼走很誠實的跟老百姓講清楚我想這個才比較是一個正確的一個做法好 謝謝我們結束林思敏委員的質詢接下來王世堅王世堅王世堅委員不在接下來請羅志強委員時間四分鐘 謝謝 |
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現在先請經濟部賴次長 |
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委員好市長好我今天想要先問一下經濟部上禮拜六我是陪我的助理要參選新北市議員的何元凱掃街結果到市場就有雜貨鋪的商家攤販拉著我陳情了很久你猜猜他陳情什麼市長猜猜看塑膠袋他說塑膠袋環保袋都缺貨 |
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然後帶我看他們的貨架他指的一個貨架上面裝的都是玩具他說這貨架本來裝的是塑膠袋就環保袋因為沒有 他只好放玩具上去然後客人都跟他抱怨說怎麼會買不到他說沒有辦法解釋啊好的問題來喔 |
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上個禮拜我也質詢經濟部經濟部說會解決我也相信經濟部會解決結果我自己實際在市場上去看到就有商家來跟我澄清我不知道經濟部這到底發生什麼事情經濟部說會解決但實際上到市場的商家攤販 |
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他們下游端卻沒有辦法沒有看到所謂塑膠袋之亂疏解仍然缺塑膠袋我不知道次長你覺得這中間是什麼環節出問題啊好謝謝委員的指導那經濟部現在所做的是上游端的原物料包括生產端持續的供料包括擴大生產至於委員掃街的時候碰到的這些的問題啊 |
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事實上我們部長不但是跟商圈還有市場的一些代表來座談之外我們商發組每天也會透過群組的部分還有包括電話的詢問來去媒合你剛剛所提到的有一些部分的這些商家他可能有一些獲補不到的一個狀況但是整體上面來講的話塑膠袋的生產從 |
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供給端跟需求端這是沒有問題的那有一些可能會有預期或是過早的一個囤貨但是在這邊就有這個機會跟大家講事實上我們平價的所謂的 |
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塑膠粒的專案從3月31號開爐到現在4月10號都已經鋪到塑膠袋生產的加工工廠我相信因為預期心理而增加囤貨的狀況可以慢慢的緩解當然我們還要持續去做這些美好的工作 |
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好 我跟市長說一下因為我如果不是到市場上直接被選民陳情我今天也不會來問這一題啦因為上個禮拜我在質詢的時候你們就跟我講說這問題被解決了嘛你們已經在全部在處理就像你剛剛講的那些所有東西我都肯定能夠去解決 有行動來去紓解你想 你說供給端 這個需求端都沒什麼問題 |
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囤貨的問題現在也在查,也在抑止可是我要看到的是結果端嘛那很簡單,走個市場就有攤販這樣去反應而且他真的很生氣啊,他覺得對他造成很大的困擾因為每天來買塑膠袋,尤其環保袋的民眾很多啊結果他賣不出去,大家就問說為什麼你買不到 |
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那他就要一直去應付客人的這個問題所以還是要拜託我們經濟部你所有的一些你的行政的作為然後去解決塑膠袋之亂的作為他的檢驗唯一的標準就是民眾有沒有感覺嘛 對不對 |
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商家第一線商家是不是真的他的貨源得到疏解這才是最重要的一個檢驗指標所以拜託再加把勁一下不要我們又去市場然後遇到癱瘓又來反應這個問題那我就不知道我到底要不要相信經濟部是積極在處理了請我們經濟部再努力一下好不好我們這個絕對會解決民眾的問題商家還有包括產業的問題一直是來我們經濟部需要努力的我們會持續精進謝謝委員指導好 謝謝 |
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謝謝接下來請洪孟凱委員主席謝謝麻煩請主計長以及我們中油董事長請方董事長請陳主計長 |
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主席長 董事長好我想我們在這邊就是共同關心民生的物價以及不要受到衝擊這也是我們朝委為什麼會排案的主要目的那現在中東戰事因為美國跟伊朗的談判又看面臨到破裂那不管怎麼樣大家預期的心理會多延後不知道但目前我們有沒有針對物價的部分有去做一個掌握說不要因為這一波而造成有物價漲價的一個狀況 |
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是跟委員報告就是我們每個禮拜他都有政府院長召開物價穩定小組然後本身就是有針對那個石油原油還天然氣還有包括電那所以目前就是油價有雙動漲還有一個專案動漲所以導致目前為止我們雖然油價整個是成長百分之七十幾但是我們實際上真正讓他有漲漲來就只有六點多 |
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是這樣子所以整個三月份的一個物價指數來看三月份才1.2那整個1到3是1.23的一個百分比我們預計的1.38還要低那現在就是說要看四月份那四月份我們就是五月中旬我們會再做評估然後再做一個然後也會因為這樣我們再調整我們整個一個穩定物價的一個措施的一個問題 |
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主席長我簡單講就是說你剛剛的意思就是說因為現在雖然原油進口的價格確實有漲但是我們用政府吸收的方式不管是中油吸收或是政府吸收那已經吸收了超過百億嘛那我現在能不能再請教說我們有沒有合理的預估如果說真的漲到什麼時間點我們沒有辦法吸收下去確實一定要反映到市場上 |
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那個臨界點在哪邊所以我們一般我們像我們還是無止境動漲是到九月底為止包括所謂的貨物稅的一個減免包括相關稅捐的一個減免都是到九月底那所以我們每個禮拜都會討論然後整個會再做一個整體的評估所以如果說有什麼變動其實主要是重點是要看中東戰爭的一個戰事的一個情形狀況來做變動 |
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主席長你還是沒有針對本席的問題回答所以如果說你真正到還是你講的意思是說到九月以前不管中東因為到九月還有四五個月嘛那我現在就是說如果照你剛剛的講法就是九月才動漲漲價才會再做調整 |
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可是不是啊因為你講的是電啊可是我們現在講的是油啊油的部分有包含是說油包含說塑膠等相關所以這也是國人大家關心嘛那本席現在比較重視的是說到最基層的民眾因為這一些都反映成本 |
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對 所以到多少的時間點裡面我們都會吸收還是說有一個臨界點就是政府無法吸收或中油無法吸收了有沒有討論過這個部分可能要請中油來回答因為這個部分要看他們中油報告委員 有關油價的部分目前採取的機制就是每週檢討 |
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所以都沒有討論過本席現在不是在挖陷阱但是本席是要的是超前部署以及了解說政府的決策現在的思考方向就是說我們已經補貼了百億這個是事實對不對從2月28號到現在我們吸收了多少成本 |
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到整個3月底吸收90億90億嘛 好那如果說因為剛剛開宗明義主席長也講嘛就是說70幾%的這個漲幅然後我們未來如果說持續飆漲原油每桶現在破110塊那如果120、130、140持續上去這不是不可能但本席現在想問的是說到什麼時間點或什麼臨界點中油也認為是說你們沒有辦法了那一定要反映成本 |
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報告委員我想有幾個關鍵的參數要去做一個綜合的評估第一個我們亞鄰國的國家他們對於汽柴油他們的售價是到什麼樣一個情境第二個對於這個民生物價來講它的衝擊會怎麼樣第三個對中油公司來講我們財務上是能不能夠去吸收可能要好多因素來做一個董事長這就是本席想要問這都本席的前提 |
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其實本席現在問的問題就是考量這三個前提沒關係也許你我不知道是不是有苦難言或是說怕現在講了之後這個遷移法動全身但是本席很嚴肅嚴正的要提醒就是說中遊應該要思考這一個問題因為這個問題很實際也可能會發生那再來是說影響到民生物價的時候我們有沒有相關檢討因為本席甚至跟要求是說鄰近國家現在可能也要去觀察 |
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有沒有因為這一波中東戰事而造成物價上漲調整的狀況要因應那真的最後為什麼本席這樣講因為主計長我還是要強調在財政委員會很著名的一個詢答就是我們有委員問主計長說到底歐阿米爽一碗多少錢結果主計長不知道還在講說20塊啊 |
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那我不希望主計處也好或說我們相關單位是不死人間煙火所以本席才會提出說如果說這一波中東戰事而可能會造成物價上漲這個是全面的大事要提早因應而中油的部分因為我們已經看到航空業也已經在四月的時候調漲 |
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票價嘛雖然他講的是說燃油費增加但是航空業的調漲是事實啊甚至人家講說一張飛機票這個要多五六千塊三四千塊那這都是事實所以已經用油大宗的航空業運輸業已經都在調漲了那我們不要因此而連帶的變成是民生的一個物價因為漲了回不去這才是關鍵 |
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好 我希望真的是隨時都要關注然後還有就是每個月檢討也要拿出具體的辦法每個禮拜都檢討每個禮拜都檢討也要拿出具體的辦法跟因應不要讓委員認為是說我們在這邊問不到答案或是說你們又重複把前提講出來 |
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答案要有好不好我們會持續關注也希望大家一起努力感謝好謝謝洪孟凱委員的質詢每個禮拜都檢討那後續怎麼去解決也希望組長可以提供給本委員會好接下來請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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主席、在訪委員、先進、列席的政府機關首長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生這聲音比較大一點好,有請我們主計總署陳主計長、國發會高副主委、經濟部賴次長以及衛福部的林次長 |
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委員好這個主席長好副主委兩位次長好我今天建供應鏈數據庫因材質量防炒作非常實習的網路流量分配跟使用順位來往下一頁其實就在上週我就質詢了經濟部長跟農業部長還包括了林次長加速改革重要物資的供應鏈現在人家說荷姆茲重啟難解燃煤之急那台灣準備好了嗎 |
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是不是我們要建立一個跨部會的重要物資供應鏈的總點檢機制呢我那時候問的時候我說是不是可以就全國的物流業競銷或的資料服務什麼財稅資料呢建立一個競銷或數據資料庫部長比較謹慎他說這個要考慮到我們有沒有營業秘密但是我想請教一下來往下看這四位 |
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這個跨部會盤點因材質量譬如說來請問林次長基層藥局拿不到包材你剛也說了醫材短缺那我請教一下你認為這幾個資材包材醫材哪一材比較重要沒有 報告委員我們在這個行政院所主持的品義物價還有因應中東的這個案子裡面其實長官有才識就是說希望請經濟部優先來供應醫材因為這個部分是就好謝謝 |
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大家同意嗎 可以 那次長請回來 我們看一下其他三位我們的糧食如果短缺的話 老弱病障然後呢 在第二順位呢 軍營醫護農還有再來呢 才是糧食配給如果是電力的話 國防軍是優先 緊急料其實是還是基礎關鍵建設如果是暫時的物資 先軍需 再供需 再民需農業部在這次遇到的塑膠材料呢 他們有資材經濟部有包材 衛部有醫材 剛剛邱先生已經講了接下來請一下經濟部次長來 次長 下一頁 |
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台灣哪些原物料高度洋溫進口?有沒有石化電燃氣?黃曉玉?鋼鐵原料?稀土金屬?原油煤炭?對不對?那這些狀況我問過你們部長我們政府有沒有掌握它的供銷的情況?那部長說這個要去評估來往下看但是資源有效你們是不是同意都要建立優先的順序譬如說緊急狀況原物料上漲短或缺到 |
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或缺掉民眾的搶購那如果像以西部文我們有衣裁、有織裁、有包裁、有件裁這些可能都比塑膠的包裝提帶來的重要你同不同意同意對 可是呢 民眾直接感受到的我去菜市場沒有塑膠落架啦可是呢 其實這些才是我們政府啊不是只看到民眾感受的這些淺藏的才是我們要關注的 對不對很好 謝謝來 我們現在請下主計長來 |
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主計長這邊我們看一下我們現在主計的統計是事後統計嘛我們統計需求嘛但是有沒有可能事前預估就剛剛講的那些我們需要洋外進口的它的必須性它的優先順位然後去決定配額主計總署有這樣的想法嗎這個部分不是你們的事情是國發會吧是國發會很好來國發會的 |
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副主委舌頭都吐出來了來我們看一下來既然點名國發會來問國發會國發會來往下一題那個副主委在27年前的九一震災的時候呢沒有實施交通管制跟調波車道結果呢那時候啊很多的物資就原車把高速公路塞住了結果真正的工程搶救上不了高速公路這個你還有印象嗎還是那時候年紀輕年紀還小不記得了 |
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所以後來我們的災防法我們都訂了7條27條跟30條在緊急狀況之下呢我們的交通管制跟很多的公共道路空間國家會自行優先指配對不對 副主委是的你同意這樣嗎那除了交通的運輸之外我們來看一下隔壁啦歐洲的烏克蘭啦烏克蘭 |
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烏克蘭在戰時的時候,他網路的營運呢?貿易戰爭,他收到什麼?DDOS的攻擊他的機體的來摧毀,有干擾衛星,有電力停工於是他開源改用新鏈,設置一道國外他修復,趕快修復,建立備援跟節點同時他也管制了,除了新鏈的白名單之外其他的社群啊,聊天的啦,通通不要讓他上去使用你同意嗎? |
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我同意你同意,所以我們往下看非常時期網路流量的分配跟設施從使用觀念上要管定所以金管會曾經有一個金融資安任性發展藍圖所謂的兵推那時候金融業暫時兵推台灣的資安大會也曾經推動一個,這是民間辦的他說要對什麼基礎關鍵設施的維運、數位海峽、資訊安全、去中心化等等這麼多請問國發會 |
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你們有沒有包括這些除了道路交通的使用的優先順位之外包括網路跟其他的基礎關鍵設施的使用你們也去訂定一個流量跟優先順位我想這個應該不是國發會的主管很好 我都沒有在場的人 |
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主席總署 針對非常時期我國高度仰賴進口的原物料一期必須性做事前的預估 必要的用量推估一個月給一個書面報告可以嗎這是主席總署啊 主席長可以嗎 |
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你們是統計嘛統計要做積極的統計不要做事後的統計而已但是問題是說他比較偏經濟部你可以跟經濟部會商今天你踢了兩個球一個踢到國發會一個踢到經濟部謝謝委員無論是針對於災害的預防我們有災害準備計畫包括動源物資包括油包括電的部分我們都有相關的對但是不只這些所以我要國發會我要主計總署對這些進行一個預估好再來請國發會輪到國發會了國發會 |
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我們現在講的不是書發部的書會設施是包括關鍵基礎設施包括公路 包括網路包括這些服務設施都宣會後續用書面報告來做回覆好不好因為這個涉及的相關部會非常多國發會來彙整其他單位好不好委員希望我們提書面報告我們會請相關部會來提供給我們來彙整來彙整謝謝主席 謝謝召委謝謝專家賓委員接下來請洪立祥洪立祥 洪立祥委員不在 |
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楊瓊英 楊瓊英 楊瓊英委員不在 接下來請陳冠廷委員你好 我們先請經濟部針對LNG的供應缺口跟替代方案 |
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好謝謝委員你好根據我們這個國發會的有書面報告我看到它裡面說天然氣4月至5月的調度已經完成但到6月要調度15艘現在找到11艘所以現在還有試船的缺口那所以6月是沒有到還沒有完全到位 |
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但是這個赫姆茲海峽它現在是實質關閉的狀態不管是從伊朗方或者是未來美國也來雙重封鎖的話這個狀況我們必須要做最壞的打算它可能不是一個月可能不是兩個月可能甚至三個月到五個月甚至到年底我們無法去預知接下來會發生什麼事情 |
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所以想請教一下如果中油現在在積極的替代貨源那美國澳洲等來源目前主要來自他們比如說北美不是沒有貨那現在有講333佈局就是卡達澳洲美國各三分之一那目前實質上面美國的部分佔中油進口的實質比例大概是多少 |
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在石油的部分大概是百分之六十左右百分之六十左右石油的部分那天然氣的部分 抱歉我剛剛講錯了10%天然氣是10%對不對 對那其實最近我們上次訪美的時候也有聽到說未來我們是希望說跟美方特別是在阿拉斯加的合作要增加包含天然氣的合作可能性這個部分未來有沒有辦法擴張 |
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多元的能源料源這是我們一直努力的方向以今年二月為例的話中油公司已經跟美方簽訂另外一個新的長約這個新的長約本來是下半年要提貨的而中油公司也提前到六月來提貨至於你談的阿拉斯加的狀況他還沒有進行到FID現在是意向書 |
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他還沒有到FID的程序那中永公司會跟相關的阿拉斯加的開發商依照他的資料在進行評估之中 |
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好 謝謝因為就我們看到的資訊2024年的到2024年的資訊那澳洲是38%左右那卡達大概25%那美方的部分大概是10%這個數字大概是這樣子所以因應風險我們可能未來一定要做一個全面性結構性的調整因為看起來這個狀況是已經會發生的那開源 節流特別是開源的部分我們會緊盯這個部分是不是可以請經濟部來 |
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想辦法來檢討一下趕快在近期的部分我們就是針對於要通過赫姆茲海峽的部分 |
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就假設他不進來了所以從其他的貨源來調印我們用低加90的方式針對未來這個90天的所有的我們需要的這個貨氣的部分都已經有排成而我每天也在針對這個部分跟相關的單位來進行檢討比如說這幾天其實都有這個美國的這個貨氣來靠瀉還有其他的地方的貨氣來靠瀉 |
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好 謝謝經濟部我們做最壞的打算當然做最好的準備那剛才提到除了來源之外當然還有就是接收跟儲存的部分那目前我們有三座只有三座有有有那還在努力的去做市街的這個環評那我們當然知道說經濟部應該是有規劃說擴大浮動式接收站的部分是 |
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我認為不動式接收站在緊急狀況之下它變成是可能要成為一個新常態因為如果我們實質上面的infrastructure的建設它可能都要數年甚至是數年都沒有辦法來完成的話那 |
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緊急的應變可能要成為新常態所以擴大這一種浮動式的能力我想是這三年內的重中之重那這個部分經濟部是不是可以來考慮來擴大這樣子這個部分我們已經在做了擴大儲運的方法有很多種那不管是你剛剛講的所謂的地面型的接收站或是你剛剛講的在這個浮運的這個方式那這個我們一直在緊盯中有的相關的準備作業 |
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不過我是希望說浮動的部分可能在緊急的狀況之下他的需要他急迫性是比較高的啦因為我們等我們全部做完的話也都已經超過2027 2028 2029了對這個部分可以思考一下好謝謝謝謝陳冠廷委員質詢接下來徐富貴徐富貴徐富貴委員不在陳玉珍委員 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請這個主計長跟國發會主委長先啦 國發會下一題啦好 委員好主委長我們這個金門的財力分級被升為第二級啊是這個竟然跟新北市一樣新北市有一百萬人口有這麼多的資源這完全是不一樣的這個 |
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兩個這個不可以相比的竟然把金門劃到第二級新北的資源豐沛金門是一個資源受限的這個島嶼而且經濟規模差這麼多這個分級標準有反映真實的這個財政狀況嗎 |
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是 我們是按照新的財務法法下去分的金門統籌分配稅他增加253%然後他這樣的一個金額增加127億沒有啦 他貨配127億什麼貨配127億分配100多億 本來就50幾億嘛 增加70幾億啊所以他就增加很多 他自有財源比例達到103億自有財源比例強是因為我們自己 |
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也有金酒嘛金酒貢獻了很多錢當然財化通過對金門有幫助沒錯但是馬祖跟棚屋一樣也分配比例增加很多啊一樣的嘛那為什麼他們就第五級我們就第二級啊不是那你要看你整齊才有財源就是我們自由財源比較強因為馬祖馬祖酒館現在做不錯棚屋沒有自由財源嘛那就是因為金門酒廠會賺錢嘛對不對 |
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我一直在跟你說的你一直在懲罰好學生嘛認真賺錢的縣市就是要求自己就要再出多一點我要再跟委員報告我們除了這個之外就像我上次跟委員報告的我們還有一個離島建設基金國發會主委請上來 離島建設基金請他上來那你看 你左手給我們錢 右手給我們錢那我們升級以後 |
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還沒有輪到他 你還是講 離島建設基金在旁邊聽著國發會在旁邊聽著 因為他說因為還有國發會的離島建設基金嘛 對不對主席這樣 你是這麼說嘛所以才會說我們這個自主而自主財運又好 所以才把我們的升級嘛那你看我們統籌分稅稅款增加但是你這個配合款同步增加就我們每一年都要增加八千多萬的這個配合款然後呢離島基金來 |
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國發會請上來來你看一下齁我們基本做多少事情是不屬於基本先應該做的事情你看這個原來台灣有個台灣省嘛台灣省被經省以後那些什麼港務運作什麼在台灣是交通部 |
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中華民國交通部管這些自來水台灣有經濟部水利署 次長在這裡以前的署長水利這些東西都是中央在花錢做的農民漁牧防疫都是中央 衛福部也有檢疫這些都是這些單位做但是這些事情在金門都是金門縣在做耶主席這樣你知道嗎 |
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金門市有自來水廠 |
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那金門縣政府 誰出言 金門縣政府出錢啊但是委員 我跟你說 以前金門會缺水但是這幾年我們在金門投資了相當的金額去海淡廠你們投資很多做海淡廠 一天可以出多少水 你知道嗎一天啊 金門大概需水量差不多是2.6萬噸左右我們的供給量是海淡廠一天可以多少 你知道嗎4000噸 最多多元的水資源來源剩下的水哪裡來的 |
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剩下水哪裡來的 你在這邊回答今天不是要講水 今天要提我們就來提金門一天要2.3萬噸的水對不對你們做的海蛋廠一天最多到4000噸 剩下水哪裡來的還有糊庫 糊庫的水哪裡來的 |
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湖庫的水哪裡來的湖庫的水是天然的天然掉下來的啊 錯了你當然也知道還有說大陸飲水大陸來的嘛一天大陸來兩萬噸的水啊所以我現在講的是說我現在不是要跟你討論大陸來兩萬噸的水基本上百分之八十的水每一天都是大陸來的我不是要討論這個議題我要討論的是這些東西自來水供應啊什麼這些還有那個錢啊都是我們在出嘛你們連那個借錢不夠國發會跟你們經濟部的錢不夠我們投資了四十億喔 |
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台電還有包括電網設施在那個地方那是台電你現在講水就好了你以前水利署你講水就好台電等一下講水對不對所以我的意思是說剛剛主計長推說給國發會國發會上來一下我今天不是要提水水我們在總職群會來問來推給國發會說還有離島基金那我們來看離島基金你看請問今年這個離島基金 |
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那個國發會今年的計畫你們給我們過了多少個案子我們提了36個案子你們給我們多少個案子新興案子基本上我們4月20號我們會工作小組會再討論那要等那個會議討論完以後我們才會出審通過只有兩個案子 |
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36個案子只有給初審通過這是我們跟你們要的資料應該不是正確的資料這是國發會提供的喔大概有36個提案20個具創新轉型意義的20個新案的只有兩個通過原因是什麼來你們也給我們答案了這個是國發會給我們答案說因為請基金應該作為公務預算的助力 |
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基金請大家盡量利用公務預算這是國防會說的那個委員幕僚給我的意見是我們初步建議至少21案 |
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至少21案那你願意給我們立島多少錢就是那個金額目前還在那個大概跟上一期不會差太多大部分的錢要金門縣政府自己出吧這個數據就是我們立島基金撥補給地方政府的這一塊所以主計長我要講的是這樣子喔 |
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我講的是這樣子喔就是說現在很多部會啊在給預算的時候都說要推給這個基金嘛推給國發會啦都要推給國發會但事實上很多錢本來各部會就應該要編您了解我的意思嗎你們把我們的財力分級往上提升變成第二級以後對金門我不否認我們這個就是財化法通過以後我們增加了增加了很多錢沒錯但是因為我們也負擔了很多中央應該做的事情 |
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所以我們承擔了這麼久以後原來就有後就必須一直這樣忍受下去嗎我們幫你承擔了50年原來就應該中央負擔的東西是不是 你有沒有想過我們都沒有講半句話一直在中央業務一直提倡自己來做水的部分怎麼來做你們就覺得這是原來就有我們負擔 |
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是嘛 所以我又回頭來講我這邊講過很多次了就是說財力來講我們基本也是離島嘛你就要把我們跟澎湖馬祖相同看待嘛財化法對離島有特別的用你知道齁 就是那一題齁你那個辦法是不是可以幫我修一下你看一下這一題我說按照那個辦法不然我們把第二集修成跟澎湖馬祖一樣啊難道你要把它變第一集嗎所有的公式都是公開透明是 但是財化法裡頭 |
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你看一下你們那個辦法裡頭 中央的那個辦法裡頭中央對直轄市及縣市政府補助辦法第三條第一款有說原住民不受財力集資的限制 你知道這一條吧中央對直轄市及縣市政府補助辦法第三條第一款 |
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那按照中華民國憲法呢憲法第十條有規定喔這個國家要保障離島地區的居民生計與發展這是跟原住民一樣的保障那原住民既然可以明確的可以不受財力集資的限制那按照憲法的這個權力平衡這個原則應該是離島要比照這個一樣的做法嘛與原住民同的做法嘛我們不要 我們沒跟原住民一樣金門沒跟原住民一樣也比澎懷馬祖還不好 |
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我知道所有原因都是因為我們有金酒會賺錢我知道我們會賺錢那是我們很努力你應該要多一點鼓勵的機制 |
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是 我們也希望能夠盡量來鼓勵啦但是以中央來講 中央沒有錢啦中央錢都分到地方去了中央沒有錢你不要把我們的財務沒有辦法再沒有錢也比金門縣政府有錢啊中央應該做的事情 什麼水利啊 港務啊什麼防疫啊 全部都歸地方自己做 自己出錢那本來就是地方自治的 |
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是 沒有剛剛講的那些事情都不是地方知識我剛剛問過水利以前我們次長了他以前水利署署長做得很好的署長那些是中央做的還是地方做的台灣自來水公司是地方的嗎是哪一個縣市的不是像地方港舖金門以前店都還自己的醫院都還自己的那我們現在水我們一直希望中央可以收回去中央也不收回去我們全部都要自己做全部自己做就算了你們給我們一點錢嘛或者我們借錢的利息都要我們自己出對不對這個經濟部知道吧 |
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那個利息也跟你們爭取那麼久我們還幫你們墊錢 還要再墊利息這樣有什麼意圖利你知道我在說哪一筆對不對我們對離島都是一視同仁客人家金門比較有錢 你看那個你不要一直說我們有錢 謝謝相對於澎湖 |
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是 那是因為我們自己很努力嘛如果我們今天不努力呢 變敗家子咧不行嘛 對不對所以你們要鼓勵我們嘛所以財力的等級就是看地方政府他自有裁員的能力啊這是全國一致標準那至於我們帶水電的這個所謂的基礎設施的這個部分也是依照這樣子的方式來去做 |
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像你剛說的海淡廠才4000噸對不對金門一天要來兩萬多噸的這個水兩萬二點需要兩萬三千噸的水其中有兩萬噸是從中國大陸來的是不是那如果說所以你是要幫我們多做一點韌性 |
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你現在就只能提供4000噸啊水利署會跟金門縣政府一起來合作這我上次就問過囉這是總執行會問這一題我告訴你跟卓院長在治水的部分有一些系統性的治水那這個計畫也是全國一致的標準如何協助地方就依照財力分子大家一起來努力 |
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郭智慧在當部長的時候我上次總執行他就回答過了我們一天只有4000噸的自由水如果要海淡廠只有4000噸我們現在一天從大陸來2萬多噸你說要靠自己你就告訴我我在總執行的時候請你們要提供資料看你們到底一天可以讓我們有多少噸的自由水源假如今天大陸把水龍頭關起來的時候當時啊這個今天大陸飲水的時候我們就是要求說我們事實上我們也協助把服務的菌卸包括管卸包括自來水 |
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我知道都做了 但是老天爺沒有下雨就是沒有水起碼至少要保足7乘5以上的自有的需求量你今天就假定那個水門口關起來的時候老天爺都沒有下雨 旱災因為常常都是沒有下雨 這麼多人都有旱災如果沒有倒來水是都沒有水的你可以把資料準備一下 我們總之訓練的時候來討論 好嗎好 謝謝 |
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何欣淳議員 |
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今天登記發言的委員都已經答詢完畢我們本次會議做如下的決定報告及詢答完畢委員質詢未答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會由一周之內以書面答覆另外委員要求期限者從期鎖定 |
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委員的部分有徐副鬼委員洪義祥委員王世堅委員所提的書面質詢請用書面的補充資料均列入記錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面來去做後續的答覆本次會議的議程已進行完畢為我不在場的委員補題書面質詢 |
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一併列入記錄 刊登公報 並請議事人員協助處理那我們後續就做散會 謝謝 |
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我們自己增加這麼多 |