| IVOD_ID |
17339 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17339 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2026040727 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T11:59:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T13:57:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:57:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T12:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：一、「衛生福利部組織法第二條、第五條及第八條條文修正草案」二、「衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案」三、「衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案」四、「衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案」五、「國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案」六、「國家中醫研究院設置條例草案」） |
| 委員名稱 |
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11:59:13 - 13:57:00 |
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我來請就座我們今天4月9號115年4月9號黨團協商我們現在要開始了協商的時間已屆期黨團代表都已經到場我們現在開始來協商會議那我們本日協商 |
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衛福部 衛生福利部組織法衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署的組織法衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例以及國家中醫研究院設置條例等 |
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這個都是因應整個國民對衛生福利服務的一個期待整個擴大醫療科技評估技術發展應用跟中醫藥研究能力的相關法案一共六個主題稍後我們按照協商的通知順序排序來依序進行協商 |
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那協商進行前我們先介紹道場的委員來跟機關代表道場的委員我們有盧憲一代表還有程昭芝委員盧憲一委員程昭芝委員范雲委員還有 |
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有立法委員有立法委員那就是我最尊敬的所以我這樣繞過後覺得自己人這樣那還有機關代表很多耶來 也是選一個啦應該還是要製作文書衛生福利部石崇良部長還有好 有聽到那個您這個署長是周道 周什麼軍周道軍署長然後這位是誰 |
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師長還有一個郭采龍還有祝劍芳師長還有蘇益璋師長還有蔡淑鳳師長 |
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好啦 其餘的應邀列席的官員名單就列入公報紀錄啦司法院人事行政總署 監察院主祕全序部專委 內政部專委 財政部還有教育部 法務部 經濟部我就沒有一直叫你了 今天太多人了還有勞動部 文化部 國家發展委員會國家科技及技術委員會 公共工程委員會原住民委員會 主計總署 |
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那應要列席的官員名單我們就列入公報記錄我們現在來進行逐案的進行協商啊協商的時候請參閱協商條文的對照表跟審查報告及淨富二讀提案的關係文書那與會的委員如果有修正動議或者機關有建議的內容的話也請提出書面印發現場來進行討論 |
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那首先我們進行主題一的病案協商司法法制跟社會福利及未還兩委員會報告病案審查行政院函請審議的衛生福利部的組織法第二條 第五條 第八條的條文修正案還有 現在覺得怎麼樣 |
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委員許宇珍等17人委員沈發費等18人 |
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這提案我們就分別經115年3月13號第11屆五會期第三次院會還有第四次院會第五次院會的決定淨附二讀與相關提案我們就併案來做協商以上共四案在今天的併案協商裡面 |
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那我再跟委員會報告跟聯席會報告審查會我們在1月19號審查完略審查的結果是第二條第五條第八條都是保留送院會來處理並決議須交由黨團來做協商來我們現在開始進行主條的協商就是衛福部組織法的一個修正案現在為第二條 |
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在這裡修正動議一共19個版本還有兩個修正動議那台灣民眾黨團所提的修正動議還有委員范雲委員所提的修正動議都中19個版本 |
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來 我們現在各位委員有什麼看法嗎 還是先我們先聽聽衛福部啦 好不好 |
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那個 柏中你先看你們外務部的看法是怎樣好 跟召委還有個委員說明一下第二條的部分因為我們上次主要是還有一些婦女權益的部分要不要這個移到這個私啦所以呢最後的討論的結果是要從原本的社家屬移到私所以我們在 |
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第二條的本部長理事項下特別寫出在第四款有婦女權益保障就是未來這個就是私的業務從屬的業務移到私所以那也經過跟范雲委員的討論之後那大家也都支持這樣那所以我們就修正了一個協商的建議條文就是第二條的部分 |
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那麼本部長李夏烈四項那特別修訂第四款有婦女權益保障跟婦女福利服務然後後面就是這個現行我們有的 |
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婦女權益保障婦女福利服務跟社會參與這個是新增那其他都是原本的這個文字略做修正而已這個是第一個修正的建議那第二個是有陳昭志委員提出要在第二條再新增一項 |
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是有關於對於本法施行前這個原聘僱用資約聘僱人員的權益保障問題那這個我們也一直在跟委員溝通那麼按照我們總原額法那麼已經有相關的規定所以我們建議不在本條條文在另針一項以上的說明 |
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好 謝謝部長的說明那 法務部啊 啊不不 那個衛福部啊現在就是第四款喔 第四款加婦女權益保障婦女的福利服務社會參與啊 跟那個性侵害 性騷擾 防治加一個級你知道齁 呃 陳昭志委員你現在有創一個第二項嗎 |
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對不對 那請陳昭志委員你也自己來說明一下好不好我們就是在第二條 第二條的部分第二條你給第二項對 第一 那個第二項這個是我們非常強調的部分就是說對於現在 因為當年其中一個單位 譬如以健保署來看當年是改制過的從國營事業進入到這個變成公家機構那當時有 |
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雖然沒有正式的公務員考試,他們也經過招考所以他們可能一直留在約聘、聘用、聘僱的狀況下那這個時候因為整個組織要進行不管是整病等等的時候這個時候他們的基層的工作人員尤其是資深,相對也是資深,也貢獻很久了應該要給予一個最基本的保障就是他們目前的職位、職等,然後他們相關的工作 |
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基本上要剛剛我在事前你們溝通第七條的內容我知道你們拿第七條來討論這個組織法但是我還是要講說那個法律是這樣子法律是應該要有哪些不代表說 |
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這個完整是應該哪些,不應該哪些,現在法律有這些也不代表它是完備的那我們希望我們能夠具體的進入趙執委員,你的問題我聽到,他的第二項就是說原來這裡的人,你要怎麼處理衛福部當然是公務機關,跟這裡不同,但是他的第二項衛福部看你們的陳昭志委員這樣的一個意見你們的看法,來 |
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人事總署 趙委 人事總 副人事長吳仁志長來我跟趙委跟這個趙志偉報告啦我剛剛會前也有跟趙志偉報告那我們很感謝這個趙志偉對我們競技同仁這個照顧的心意啦那權益保障的部分在組織法上面的處理大概分兩軌啦因為趙委是法律人應該很清楚 就是 |
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剛剛趙志偉提到的那個第一類的就是制度改變機關性質改變事業機構的移到行政機關或者行政機關的移到事業機構這個他們身份上是有重大的改變 |
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那這樣的改變才會在組織法裡面落條文那其他的像一般的這個隨同業務移撥的人員就是在剛剛趙志偉提到我們剛剛報告的就是在總委員法第七條上面就是做一般性的規範就是 |
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因為你原來是公務員轉到事業機構或者是這個事業機構轉到公務機關來他不能適用他那個新的機關的制度嘛所以當然要在法律上特別在組織法上面在做規範那要不然在一般在中央這個行政機關組織機制法他規定的事項其實沒有這個事項是啦 他的意思是說他現在頂接工作權的保障有沒有解套的方法 |
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我剛剛是做一個建議啦就是說請衛福部寫一個附帶決議的稿讓趙志遠看看能不能就是現在是大家希望能夠保障這些同仁嘛那我相信衛福部也一定會做到啦只是如果更大家希望居住率更強一點讓衛福部可以做得更好那我們寫一個附帶決議 |
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阿寫的具體一點啦好啦你謹慎啦因為陳昭志委員這個提案其實也是很有建設性啦我本來想說要入法有什麼困難困難為什麼不能入法沒有因為他剛剛那個婦人市長他其實有講得很清楚啦公務機關跟事業單位是不一樣但是怎麼樣去保障他這些人員的工作權過去有權利喔過去勞工局跟健保署那種有權利他們的組織法裡面有寫的喔好來他現在說有權利請再說明 |
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權益就是我剛剛報告的就是他的性質不同就是事業機構的人轉到行政機關去或者是行政機關轉到事業機構來那當然他的適用的人事制度就完全是不同的那所以在這個裡面就會做特別的規範去做他的權益保障這樣好了,我聽好了,您先附帶決議先寫出來好不好先寫一下,先擬一下,讓陳昭智委員看一下 |
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主席不好意思我還是覺得用入法你如果有什麼特例什麼處理你把你用負債決議把它處理掉我們通過你們自己要內部的使用的負債決議啊你若擔心什麼你反投什麼東西到底會這個入這個法有什麼困難嗎有什麼這些人都在貴單位裡面服務這麼久相對都資深啦貢獻很久了嘛聽到有啦來再說明我再說明一下啦這個真的很感謝趙哲元對我們同仁的這個愛護啦 |
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那因為制度的邏輯是很清楚就剛剛講的制度的轉換會有這樣的規範那一般性的權益保障會在總約法第七條裡面也做一個完整的規範那我們之所以會有一些顧慮就是因為所有的 |
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同性質機關的轉換在他的組織法裡面都沒有這樣的規定那如果在衛福部特別做這樣的規定那大家就會有特別的期待那這個是有額外的另外的 |
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絕對的保障嘛那我剛才也在講說他有可能衍生一些爭議啦譬如說如果我們每一個同仁都覺得我這個是絕對的保障譬如說現在我們大家比較關注的像霸凌 |
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性騷或者是酒駕這些如果有這樣的情形的同仁的話那中間就會有一些爭議就想說你們能不能請我離開那因為一般其他的機關這一類的人都沒有這樣的規範就會有一些誤解跟爭議出來那我們是覺得效果如果沒有不同 |
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就讓整個法的體系越清楚是這樣不然你們先看看不然這條要保留不要第一條卡關先寫一個 呈召委員看一下對於原先這一些的這一些人的工作的一個保障早知先讓他們看看不然這條第一條的保留也沒意思 好不好來 接下來第五條 |
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接下來我們第五條我剛剛第二條有一個修正動議可以簡單說明一下嗎不只台灣民眾黨還有泛民委員 |
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主要是第四項就是加上婦女權益保障婦女福利服務那等於是提升原本的保護絲讓他可以成為一個兼顧婦女權益及保護 |
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那為什麼要有這個提案那我先謝謝部長認同這個方向所以他已經直接放在他的協商參考條文中了雖然後面的文字有幾個不一樣但我覺得精神上是一致的所以可以接受那我很簡要的說明一下為什麼要有這個提案 |
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因為從一年之內台大醫院就爆發好幾起醫生對病人的性侵性騷猥褻的案而且是好幾起可以看到婦女的福利權益相關的業務在衛福部整體裡面還是處於一個比較邊陲的地帶 |
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那根據社家署的統計現行的婦女福利科其實只有7個元額那業務也只佔社家署的0.12%那在公益彩券的回饋金中比例只有佔6.81%所以這一次很高興部長認同我提出來的要提高婦女業務的層級所以從原本規劃是長照發展署下的一個組別提高到二級機關那是跟原有的保護司合併 |
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那這邊也跟大家跟部長講一下我知道部的關於私的名稱比較傾向於婦女發展及保護私那這邊很多婦團的朋友希望能夠優先考慮婦女權益及保護私因為如果沒有權益的話保護會做不好如果只強調婦女發展 |
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好像婦女好像能力很差需要發展所以這邊也讓部長參考那最重要的是婦女團體認為不是只有提升層級人力跟預算一定要提升那希望能夠增設兩到三個科特別是要強調有政策研究的量能 |
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所以那大家非常的擔心所以希望我有提出兩個附帶決議就是提升人力預算另外一個也是希望修法通過後衛福部可以邀請這些長期跟衛福部有一些合作或者是監督的婦女團體那共同討論未來的組織設計那這部分剛剛衛福部有一些修正我想我就到附帶決議再講那最後 |
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就是也有婦團擔心說跟保護私放在一起好像婦女會被弱化所以也希望在組織的設計上要明確區隔就是婦女權益跟保護她的編制跟預算要獨立出來那不會讓大家覺得你這個私就只處理一個性別暴力以上說明 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝范雲委員范雲委員所提的修正動議其實在衛福部第四款裡面對於整個婦女保障跟婦女福利的部分也把它放進去那其他的部分是不是請部長再說明一下有關剛剛謝謝范雲委員的這個提案附帶決議這個我們都朝這個方向來努力好 沒有問題好 謝謝這樣現在 |
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第五條 第五條修正動議的部分我看我看有幾案這都附帶決議來我們是不是第五條的部分請衛福部 |
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好跟委員會說明第5條我們也提出了這個協商的建議文字主要是針對本部的刺激機關跟業務來明定那上一次因為 |
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有關於這個婦女權益業務的部分因為定位尚未明的時候所以我們把這個條文先保留那另外在兒家屬的任務上大家也還有一些建議那我們經過這一陣子的溝通之後已經把它確認所以最主要在第五款 |
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那麼名稱是稱為兒少及家庭支持署那麼規劃執行與協調托育照顧早期療癒兒少福利權益保障家庭支持服務兒少健康及醫療照護四項那麼第六款是 |
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把署的名稱改為社會發展及長期照顧署來規劃與執行高齡者身心障礙者權益與福利長期照顧 |
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瓜湖戶及國民年金事項所以我們提出這樣的一個修正的建議再請各位委員指教至於今天在修正動議的部分那麼有關王振旭委員也有提出一個修正動議那麼基本上我們已經納入了這個 |
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在第五款的兒少級家庭支持署裡面已經有納入這個執行與協調托育照顧的部分已經採納了那麼至於這個秋惠路委員也有提出這個修正的動議那基本上 |
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那個邱惠露委員主要是在兒家屬的組織法所以我們剛剛的是針對第五條的部分先做這樣的說明部長的說明那衛務部所提供的 |
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這個整個協商的參考的條文那剛剛王正旭委員是第五款就是兒少級家庭支持屬規劃及執行跟協調托育照護那都放進去了嘛那請問其他的委員對於第五條的部分有沒有意見沒有意見我們就叫衛福部第五條第五條第五條還有其他的你有什麼案要放嗎 |
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沒有因為第五條我們看到就是我自己的版本是有關係到就是原住民健康署的部分那在協商的參考條文裡面我們看到現在有調整出一個兒少級家庭支持署還有社會發展及長期照顧署所以這個部分其實並沒有回應到我們許多原民委員的原住民族健康署 |
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妳要不要特別要再弄一個出來就對了因為112年6月我們嘛很多的人的努力之下我們終於把十多年來的訴求原住民族健康法把它立法三讀通過那其實這些年我們也一直為健康不平等原住民族的平均餘命 |
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跟全體國人的落差仍然經過這麼多年的努力還是有8歲的差距所以我們一直覺得說原住民族健康法立了但是沒有一個專責比較高層級的單位所以一直讓這個成效或者是他的經費有一個比較正規的一個 |
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一個規模來做所以這個是這次應該蠻多委員在第五條的部分其實是有這樣的一個 |
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謝謝委員對這個原住民族健康的關心那我們這一次在修法裡面也有其他委員的提案那我們是建議因為由於整個這個組織法的限制我們強化在私籍的單位提高他的人力跟預算是不是可以用在私籍的部分我們來處理 |
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好因為確實啦因為要爭取一個數不容易我們只是看到這一次的這個調整齁有這樣的一個契機跟機會啦那我也看到很多我們也都喔不是這裡嗎喔不是這個第五條喔 |
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我們現在討論的不是這個第五條現在是在講第五條但是你們講的有意見我們就要讓你去講沒關係好那既然謝謝部長已經有做這樣的回應所以我們在附帶決議也是有成立原住民健康司這樣的一個看法好那第五條大家沒有意見的話我們就按照協商參考條文通過再來第八條 |
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對 八條 大家看一看喔盡量滿足大家啦 因為這個對於整個家庭兒少這方面的一個滿足 讓他更完備第八條第八條 還有什麼其他的 衛福部這裡也沒有提第八條 |
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行政院第八條就是本法施行日期由行政院與命令定之本法中華民國一百零七年這個就改成直接把它改這邊 |
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第八條你們打算要怎麼訂先說說好 因為這個案子半分也這麼多現在只是施行日期的問題而已啦 |
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第二項要回到5月29然後把公佈刪掉下來 |
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你們現在這個沒有條文啦我看這樣子啦你特別條這個每個委員都用心良苦啦現在直接要去落實你現在就是定義特別條另外一條行政院條第八條是本法施行日期由行政院以命令定之本法中華民國一百零七年五月二十九日修正條文自公佈日施行這樣可以嗎好 |
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我們這邊照我們過去行政院各部會送進來我們都不接受行政院各部會我們要改為三讀記所以這邊是5月59日讓他那個條文弄因為每一個委員版本會有所不同那因為那個行政院院版你們沒有提出修正案嘛所以呢我們現在就是第八條的部分你沒修正當然這麼多人我就給你衝一條啦好啊好啊 |
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這樣啦 不然這條你們現在說不出來了 我們再與委員溝通啦並參照委員的意見 研擬相關文之後再處理好不好第二項的日期改一下 加個第三項 仿第二項的寫法啦對 |
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你不可以跟他說 你那條文要拿出來好 跟趙偉報告這個現在就是我們會再提出一個修正的建議主要是在這一次的這個修正的條文那麼要由行政院以命令訂之因為這涉及到幾個署的設立所以需要一點時間那至於原來的第二項 這個是過去那麼它是 |
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這個過去的那個修正的那個到底是何時的條文我們做個修正日期就好那個6月13日好像是5月29啦對嗎 用這樣我們馬上弄出來就可以好啦 今天你們等一下有條文嗎現在在寫 好這樣還是讓你們寫出來 現在只剩條文而已嘛我們就直接處理附帶決議了啦 好不好 |
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我們現在先處理附帶決議我們繼續處理協商會長范雲委員所提的附帶決議兩案先處理第一案請問提案委員有沒有補充說明范雲 |
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范芸委員要處理你們大家的負擔決議出來我都幫你們處理那妳有沒有說明現在是那個妳的第一案第一案那我想先說明一下那第一案主要就是我們希望衛福部能夠邀集婦女團體性別研究學者討論會議 |
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那我知道衛福部不想要用協商會議這個字眼那也可以用座談會主要就是我們剛講的大家關心的是人力跟預算有沒有提升那人力要提升的話你這個科的設計那增加要做什麼不要讓大家覺得 |
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換湯不換藥只有在做性別暴力因為我們這邊還有婦女權益跟婦女福利那這個部分因為之前那個衛福部呂健德次長在跟婦女團體溝通的時候那他有承諾說可以再找大家討論那所以我希望說衛福部可以接受因為你們剛剛希望我修正文字那我覺得不要叫做會議但是叫座談好附帶決議第一案文字有沒有問題吳某 |
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范雲委員所提附帶決議第一案文字有沒有問題謝謝委員同意把那個進行座談謝謝好那照修正通過那我們第一案就照學商後修正文字通過那我們繼續處理第二案請問提案委員第二案范雲委員也要理解喔你有沒有補充說明 |
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好 那個第二案的部分其實也是一樣希望能夠在預算的部分可以增加那我想就是衛福部的意見是說針對第三點那個16種希望刪除我們可以接受那其他的部分也是希望跟剛剛講的不要只提升到私可是人力跟錢都沒有增加那這樣讓大家覺得是換湯不換藥因為原本就有一個家庭暴力私就是處理性別暴力的那請問衛福部 |
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范雲委員的那個復賴結遇第二案有沒有什麼意見或者補充說明遵照辦理可以好那你們那個文字修正的就要你們要提供書面喔那第二案我們就照案就沒有修正囉沒有修正就照案通過囉 |
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好 那我們現在繼續處理協商會場我們盧委員縣議 盧縣議委員所提的附帶決議案請問盧委員有沒有補充說明好 謝謝主席那剛才有聽到委員跟我們衛生福利部部長講的就是希望能夠在 他們也同意希望能夠在私的這個層級因為這是一個最基本的要求啦因為它比較不激進 而且它比較務實希望能夠做最基本最應該的制度回應 |
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因為從2012年6月21號,研建法三讀通過之後就是希望有一個專責機構可是我們一直在等,等到這麼久了都沒有一個所謂的相對應的一個層級目前還是在原住民理導科所以我希望能夠將護理及照護健康師名稱變更為護理及原住民民主健康師這樣 |
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好 請問衛福部針對盧憲義委員的附帶決議第一案有沒有什麼補充說明或意見可以接受 謝謝可以喔 那就照照案通過來 另外我們繼續處理協商的會場裡面我看江 吳立華委員所提的附帶決議請問吳立華委員有沒有補充說明 |
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謝謝主席我延續剛才的發言最主要就是希望衛福部能夠在本席我們很多委員112年6月積極促成通過的原住民族健康法基礎之上要持續的投入資源並且要精進各項的原住民族健康照護政策來縮減健康不平等 |
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所以呢就是在這個地方希望檢討現行的衛福部處務規程來新設一個援助民族健康及照護司然後來全面提升援助民族健康照護在行政體系內的組織定位還有它的一個政策的可見度彰顯政府對援助民族健康權益的重視以上 |
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好 謝謝武力法委員的說明 衛部對於這個武力法委員所提的附帶決議有沒有意見 或補充說明跟委員說明 是不是可以按照剛剛那個盧憲宜委員的提案 那麼名稱上來做處理 可以嗎什麼名稱叫護理及援助民族健康師 |
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護理及援助民族健康司那請問特別要加護理兩個字的原因是因為原本現在已經有啦所以把原本的那個司換後面的幾個字對 把它擴充編制跟預算來努力那意思就是說那個經費還是會跟護理share沒有沒有 分開的編的時候是分開編 |
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那以前是離島對對對對那現在離島兩個字改成護理沒有沒有沒有沒有本來就沒有離島本來就沒有這個名稱本來只有護理這個名稱而已那以前我們以前是離島跟原住民族嗎 |
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那個是科 現在是把它變成是師的理論那現在師的時候還是要前面掛一個東西就對了沒有辦法獨立他已經算是已經是獨立了可是我聽到護理 護理是一個主體耶 |
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也不是它也只是兩個科護理是一個主體那還是跟人家併科然後變師併在一個師但是不是併科是分開的我當然是希望獨立一點對我是希望新設就還是獨立一點對我們逐步再擴充它的編制 |
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好 逐步謝謝衛務部的說明但是也不能只有你們兩個這樣講一講啦書面 書面 提出書面是啦 這樣說看要怎麼如果原本來就有你現在又增加看怎麼樣變進去就 |
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我們能夠得到最好的就要得到次要的這樣就照已經本來原住民族健康事項這樣吳立華委員的意見然後就依照盧縣醫委員的所提附帶決議通過這樣有意見嗎 |
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按那個盧委員的各位我們可以啦請教一件事因為我本來很認真在研究這些密密麻麻的法案突然聽到護理兩個字就耳朵豎起來從夢中警醒的感覺沒關係不要嚇到 |
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因為我們本來就有一個叫做護理及健康照護師嘛那這個是不受影響的嗎不受 只是說另外的那個師還前面加了護理兩個字對對對對所以合併喔因為本來的護理就不是只有一個師他就不是 業務不是獨立啦他裡面也是兩個科在負責那另外的是在負責離島啦還有這個偏鄉啦這樣 |
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阿只是把長照業務現在我們把它移出然後讓原住民族的健康的業務擴大這樣這樣我聽得懂啦 謝謝邱委員還有我們石部長的補充說明你們這樣沒辦法處理啦你們還是 附帶決議你們要併還是要有一個文字出來有要加嗎 或是在那裡要加人的都完全都沒有改變喔來 接下來第五案這是古居化委員的附帶決議第二案 |
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第五案就是武力法委員你所提的附帶決議第二案威武部有看到了有沒有補充說明你的意見是怎樣看起來還好 |
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你們要不要給你們補充一下文字看你們要不要修正不然我要跪下這個是每一位委員大家都非常用心把整個在法制面裡面把它完整可以讓你們好做事有一個法院的依據 |
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你們都沒準備耶我們盡量給大家大家關注面,大家都盡量滿足大家啦是啊,是啊,沒有錯啊,沒有錯啊對啦,阿不然就你們在附帶局文字課,整理一下好不好 |
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我本來是 人家本來是很有效率的 你們這樣就沒準備了我也都可以保留啦 但問題就是說我是希望今天完成大家因為意見都整合得差不多 你們文字快寵啦等一下再回來討論這個 好不好這樣好啊 那就算了 你們的文字剛好適中 你們也安排給我 |
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你們這一部法例好不容易達到各三黨委員大家都有一致性的一個看法那個只是文字的調整而已 |
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那我先處理衛生福利部組織法第八條的修正草案那第八條本法施行日期由行政院以命令定之本法中華民國107年5月29日修正條文自公佈日施行本法 |
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中華民國115年就 圈月 圈日修正條文施行日期 由行政院與命令定之文字都要搞好 都要念的一樣 可以齁好 大家沒有意見 我們就按照修正條文通過他們沒有提安全OK 沒問題他們是提供意見 |
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沒有書面了 |
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先保留 先保留因為我還是想知道那個經費規模人員編制沒關係 那給你再說明那現在就是說 你要捱 你總是要條文那個部分你要給我我們這邊才可以 主席總不能宣告你們聊天的暫照你們聊通內容通過啊 應該要文字啊 好不好好啦 先保留 先保留 |
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來 那我們接著進行主題二 病案協商司法跟法治社會福利及衛生 跟衛環兩個委員會報告病案審查 行政院函請這個 |
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委員林月琴等20人 阿伯一堆就沒了分別凝聚衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署的組織法草案一共14案還有委員徐宇珍17人 委員沈發慧17人分別經第四次聯會 淨富二讀 |
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第四次跟第五次的院會決定淨富二讀與相關提案來併案協商以上一共有三個案在今天我們併案來做一個協商 |
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那我們審查會在1月19號審查完畢審查的結果跟大家報告說除第二條第三條跟附帶決議三案保留以外其餘都有審查結果通過並決議須交由黨團協商那我們為了求效率我們是不是就保留了部分來進行討論其他有共識的部分就按照審查會的審查結果通過 |
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那如果各位協商代表對於審查會通過的條文有意見我們就等保留條文處理完畢以後再來接續的進行處理請問各位有沒有意見這樣可以喔 好來現在我們開始本案保留條文的討論審查會保留兩條需要協商有兩條我們從第二條開始第二條 |
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喔 第二條兩個修正動議就是台灣民眾黨跟林瑞琼委員所以呢請是不是先請台灣民眾黨家你要先嗎不然就來 林瑞琼委員 |
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我這邊有幾個要就教的就是說本來事實上是嚴定後來改成嚴尼如果是嚴尼的話事實上他側重在初步的一個擬定是一個從無到有和提出草案的過程那可是你是主管機關我最在我看來應該你們前面也寫嚴定為什麼後來變成是嚴尼所以我對這個有這樣子的意見然後另外一個就是我的修正動議有 |
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之前我就提這個修正動議可是後來明娜今天又再提出來也就是說本來這一次成立兒家屬我們覺得很重要的意義在於表意權這一塊和參與公共就是社會參與所以本來我們有列兒童及少年權益及發展與促進及其參與公共事務相關政策之評估規劃 |
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推動跟執行及相關法規的原定我不知道就是說為什麼今天衛福部會把它當初我們有修正動議進來的時候你們還是把它剔除那我今天又再提出來今天我說你要符合兒權公約的精神裡面有一個這個是非常重要的不知道為什麼會把它丟掉了那另外一個就是說 |
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你們提出來的版本裡邊跟我的有個差異的是我們針對於網路安全這一塊事實上是希望而造的隱私保護保障跟網路使用安全跟風險的防治政策的評估規劃推動執行跟相關法規的嚴定 |
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可是為何你們會變成只剩下一個協調你跟誰協調你們本來這個兒家族成立我們現在很希望能夠解決網路安全的問題結果你變成只是一個協調單位嗎你的工作內容只是一個協調嗎那最後也要問就是有一個你們提出來第六兒童及少年遊戲及休閒政策的推動跟協調 |
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也一樣剩下只是協調另外一個我要問的是休閒是上位概念休氣跟遊戲事實上是下層的概念所以我不知道說當初這樣子定的考量會是什麼因為要不要從定義來看因為休閒就南瓜休氣跟遊戲所以我不知道你們這樣子把它全部列出來 |
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主席還有各位委員大家好我們在第二條的部分的第二款在那個 |
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我來念一下好不好意思就是在兒童及少年的保護安置之後我們加了幾個字這幾個字叫做偏差行為防治與輔導 |
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我們加了偏差行為防治與輔導那為什麼我們會加了偏差行為防治與輔導因為有一些偏差行為的小孩他們其實原本是在內政部警政署下面的少婦會來對這類型的兒少進行輔導 |
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但是因為內政部警政署他們處理這一塊比較欠缺專業所以有一些偏差行為的小孩即使經過他們的輔導跟教化其實成效並不高因為他們欠缺專業那其實最有名的一個案例就是前一陣子那個新北的戈井案 |
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其實那個殺人的兇手 殺人的少年他其實進入關護所 少年關護所非常多次進進出出 進進出出那也在少年關護所可能沒有得到非常好的輔導 教育 教化 感化 |
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所以變成他再出來的時候就犯了又犯了一個滔天大錯所以這讓我們去思考說是不是對於偏差行為的少年我們真的是要深入的專業的去輔導他們然後以其他們的行為能夠做一個改正然後避免為社會的治安埋下一個隱憂的炸彈所以我們才想說 |
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這麼專業的事也不是任何人都可以做的必須仰賴專業的人員來協助那當然我們的衛福部當然就是充滿這些專業的人員可以來進行這件事所以我們才想說把偏差行為的防治跟輔導放到這個兒少及家庭支持署裡面這個業務放進來那其實完全都是專業考量那也希望能夠讓少年 |
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能夠得到專業的照顧之後 迷途知返 以上說明 謝謝好 謝謝 讓你們這個委員都很專業其實委員也很厲害所以專業對專業 我盡量來滿足各位來 接下來請王正旭委員 |
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謝謝主席對這個二元委員會的美言真的每個委員都非常的用心那針對第二條的第八款有關於從原來的兒童少年福利機構業務之監督輔導及考核現在把它修正為變成 |
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現在的文字就是第八款 兒童及少年之生命統計健康促進預防保健 事故傷害防治及醫療照護政策之規劃推動執行及協調非常感謝大家共同支持 針對這個協調能夠把它 |
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正式的納為這個法律的條文裡面我們之前一直在強調協調本身的工作的重要性所以我們很希望大家把這個支持的內容真的能夠化為這個法律上的文字再再度感謝大家的支持 謝謝 |
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謝謝王正旭委員我們現在就請衛務部 石部長我這邊可不可以再一下補充謝謝主席我這邊剛才因為有一些討論也有一些決定了所以這邊就把我的立場也做一個表述所以一向對於在原住民族健康的部分 |
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其實在這次的這個組織法裡面我之前也是表述過但我在這邊還是針對這個第二條的這個區塊我還是做一個補充啦雖然剛才也有一些階段性的結論但我認為在原住民族的這個健康那把它跟一般事物的一個混同在一起在政策治理上還是有一些不足那本席在先前也一直表達那因為原住民的平均餘命的這樣一個階段性的問題其實如果在這一次的這個組織 |
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組織法裡面能夠做一個處理也是很好的那我這邊的訴求當然是說說這個醫療的這個問題不是只有單一的問題那也涉及了一個文化安全還有健康不平等跟長照世界性還有人才培育的一個問題那但是呢我們在第二條看起來也是原住民的這個部分好像還是一個被附帶處理的但是我希望未來能夠再走向一個制度的一個承擔 |
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那這次新增了兒少跟家庭的支持當然也是很重要但是像原住民的這個部分其實本席還是要表達啦雖然剛才有一些結果但我覺得私處的層級還是不足以回應這整個社會的一個複雜性所以 |
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我覺得在中長期我們還是希望能夠上升到一個專責的一個機關的一個層級所以原住民除了健康如果在今天的這個大家的一個討論那目前有一個共識可是我還是希望未來能夠到屬的這樣一個層級來針對原住民現在健康與命 |
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還沒有跟進跟到整個標準的一個狀況能夠做一些中長期的一個規劃所以我還是比較在數的這個部分原住民族健康數那跟我以前所提出來的一個論點這邊再做個回應那當然我也尊重大家今天的一個決議啦謝謝林倩琪委員用心良苦啦我們也請衛務部這個部分其實對原住民族的健康這個部分也可以加強來接下來還有 |
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張雅玲委員 欸你今天都不能亂喔我今天兩張臉是 我一些咖啡都喝光了你知道嗎 來張雅玲委員好 那我想 接下來張雅玲委員完以後 就讓我們黃毓民 黃毓民委員 失禮失禮失禮 |
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我想在針對那個衛福部的第六條關於兒少的遊戲跟休閒政策我原本提案是這樣子寫的原因我也簡單說明一下讓各位委員更了解其實我是參考CRC的原文 |
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他是有時間去休閒 休閒遊戲跟遊戲啦原本的CRC的原文是這樣寫所以我在立法的時候就這樣寫那因為它對應到就是兒童的遊戲發展這一塊的一個政策核心那另外還有就是空間跟設施也就是遊戲那休閒也就是時間跟生活型態這樣子那我當時的立法是這樣的一個概念那我不曉得說衛福部是不是也是參考這樣子的立法來做這次的這個條文上的修正這樣 謝謝 |
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在我原來的版本裡面 事實上有把這個少子化 特別是生育相關政策 |
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我的版本裡面是有的那現在衛福部的這個版本事實上都沒有看到那另外一個是有關於處罰跟曝險兒童少年的處遇服務那你們這邊是用兒童及少年輔導之統籌我不曉得這一塊是不是就已經涵蓋 |
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那另外討論第二條事實上很重要的是關乎到未來整個兒少家庭署他的整個出屋規程跟內部單位的分工還有那個組織所以這個部分我有提一個附帶決議 |
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這裡面呢就是總共有分了六組就是六個組別那我希望討論第二條的時候跟後面的附帶決議事實上它應該是要連動的就是不太可能說這個後面我們希望的組別裡面的任務有的但是在前面你的這一個第二條裡面 |
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是沒有寫入的 譬如說少子化我認為將來在政策規劃的時候少子化是很重要的一塊那如果未來在這一個組織架構裡面我們希望綜合企劃裡面包含少子化這一塊但是在前端其實都沒有寫到這一塊是不是應該要有一些文字修正進去這樣子這個部分我希望這個等一下部長可以回應 針對 |
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我提出來的這個架構分組裡面就是要執行的業務內容你們有什麼樣的意見然後是同意還是有一些要修正是不是可以一併來回應因為這個跟前面第二條其實非常關鍵 以上謝謝 |
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簡單跟委員會報告第一個就是少子女化我們沒有把它寫在這個兒家屬是因為他是要更高層級的那我們的任務主要是對育兒者跟這個兒童的福利盡量給他提升這個是我們這個屬要扮演的角色對育兒者 |
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跟這個兒童的照顧要給他提升所以才會我們沒有特別去訂這個少子女化因為不是這個署有辦法解決少子女化的問題 |
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這個在跨層級的在行政院的層級會去有啦有一個跨部會的會議會在討論這個有關因為它對應的政策很多它包含住宅政策包含職場的友善包含勞力的沒錯但是對應到你衛福部你自己要有一個在思考這件事情的單位你要放在哪裡 |
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你懂我意思嗎 就少子化涉及到很多嘛那你們衛福部也本部的業務也不只是只有這個署應該是在部裡面要來 所以是哪個單位哪個單位 你衛福部下面還有哪個單位在思考少子化這件事情 |
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如果是我們就是有綜合規劃來來這個這屬於這跨部門會不會綜合規劃對啊如果是跨部門屬於報部報部會放進去嘛對不對對對對就是在綜合規劃你的綜合規劃師會有嗎就你不放在兒家屬你自己會有對對對我們目前相關的 |
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政策上在提的時候也都是好謝謝 謝謝石部長的說明那我們現在來做處理那我們第二條我們就按照協商參考的條文通過大家有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們就通過來 再來不好意思那個剛剛還沒回答我就是有關於 |
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我剛剛講嚴定嚴密還有一個是我原本有列的因為我覺得要符合兒權公義很重要的精神在於 |
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就是我本來有寫的兒童及少年權益的發展跟促進參與公共事務這一項好 跟委員說明這個嚴定跟嚴擬這個是法規用字因為它不見得是只有定是嚴擬因為有些涉及到還要立法立法的話要到立法院不是我們定出來就可以所以現在的文字上都是用嚴擬而不再用嚴定至於說有一款兒少權益之發展及促進 |
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這個我們可以接受把它新增進去就好新增一款還有一個你們寫的我覺得今天網路安全你們不會剩下協調這個工作所有的東西都寫說你們會推動執行尤其網路安全現在是重中之重怎麼今天成立了兒家屬你們只剩下一個政策協調 |
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你們政策也不要執行也不要去做任何事情然後只剩下一個協調好不好那就改成原理及跨機關政策協調還要執行啊規劃跟 第二條捏如果全部都推給我們第二條捏 這個一定會有觸發第二條捏第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條第二條 |
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在他的13款就是會新 我們可以接受這個林月琴委員的這個修正動議裡面有一款第七款這個兒少發展及促進參與公共事務這個我們等一下把文字寫出來新增一款 |
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那最後一個是 好啦 那這個第二條齁 主席在這個地方更正啦 更正啦 齁 你這 你這教你講 你們早上應該講好了 這協商條文 你們這做好了來這裡給你們開槓的捏那這個本來就是要幫大家來做處理的 齁 那所以剛剛主席的宣告 更正 口誤 講得最快齁 趕快把文字拿出來 |
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要有文字啦要有文字好不好要在那個本來是參考條文跟你們協商條文參考你們現在講一講主席可以做更正但是你們必須要把文字拿出來來我們現在第三條第三條台灣民眾黨所提的修正動議請來台灣民眾黨家補充說明一下 |
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我第一問好了 柏中你對台灣民眾人的意見 你有修正黨的意見嗎我們是希望還是能夠保留用人的彈性不要說只是只能夠以公職任用 可以有比照任用的模式這樣啦 那個 趙志 |
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陳大致委員 民眾委員 我們就一個叫衛福部的意見好不好行政院的 他們現在修正棟一家 我們就叫行政院一家啦好不好 |
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主席 |
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是要讓你們大家這樣和和氣氣 你們的愛很滿足因為我們叫做司法法治委員會 我們沒有跟你們揮櫃你知道嗎 是你們來我們盡量滿足各位不要到現在還在爭執啦 不然我就自己給你們算一算我是要讓你們大家比較高興的 今天晚上快過了好不好 不然就叫可以嗎 周資 叫行政院辦分 |
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主席建議啦是不是按照行政院的提案通過啦哈囉不好意思我們討論的結果因為我們是希望常任穩關的制度能夠健全然後能夠發展所以我們這一條 |
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要含保留要保留 其實我也認為說健全其實常任文官跟政務官現在是剛好涉入到各個政黨之間大家最會緊張啦這個都過度攻防啦不然其實政務官的部分未必也叫做不健全啦大家正統都希望比較有彈性啦應該去跟監督說這個人來是不是醜庸譬如說你把莊瑞雄放到衛福部去當然就是醜庸啊 |
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不是這樣說 問題是這個堅持這個尊教練的意思好不好今天是希望讓這個瓦置趕快去做一個完備那這一條我們就先保留囉 |
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請問提案委員先做補充說明 |
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張雅玲委員基本上因為我跟衛福部已經討論好了啦就是說我們基本上就是希望有一定的一個編制啦不能用三級機關的名義來做壓縮那也要有資訊專業的源而以及研究跟政策的專業源那這基本上衛福部都同意啦那只是說他們希望可以改成書面報告那這邊我也沒有意見好 謝謝 來台灣民眾黨 |
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這個部分我剛有講過就是我的版本是有分六個組別那事實上這個也是民間兒少團體希望的一個架構那現在大家都會很想要知道說這個兒少家庭署其實是非常關鍵也是這一次我們組織調整重中之重 |
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那不曉得到目前為止整個衛福部你們初步的規劃包括人員包括是不是這樣的架構組別這樣至少是六組的一個情況我希望這個衛福部應該跟外界有一個說明因為今天已經審到這邊附帶決議我想有多位委員提出來的都是跟這個組織架構有關組別有關裡面的這一些任務功能有關那到底現在衛福部自己的版本 |
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大概是什麼樣的架構 為什麼部長突然不見來 請衛福部說明各位委員報告目前衛福部這邊在規劃未來的兒少及家庭支持署的細部的組別組織的部分我們目前整個規劃架構確實是以六個組的方向來做規劃不過六個組裡面細部的有一些細部的事項 |
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是不完全就是有些因為各個委員的這個附帶決議的內容這個事項放在組別稍微有些不一樣那這個部分的話我們大概會到時候再討論過做一些條大概做一些整理但是目前基本上是以六個組的方向在做討論跟規劃 |
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人員的部分的話現有的工作人員都會做一個移撥那也在評估未來考慮到比較長期的人力發展需要那不過未來確定的組織以及人力的部分還需要跟這個人事總署這邊來做相關人力的爭取以上 |
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那這個我也一樣 因為我也其實還有一個附帶決議那這個是跟這個組織架構是有關係的那其實我這邊還有強調一個就是原則上每一組不得少於四顆啦來確保我們的人力配置充足那所以這部分應該也是沒有問題嘛 對不對 |
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我們會盡力來爭取好啦 我知道那個兩邊的衛福部的協商參考條文那個附帶決議的部分跟台灣民眾兩家 你們寫一個版本出來啦 好不好報告主席 我們正在整理趕快 給我文字這樣文字好嗎 |
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來 謝謝 文字是哪一個該好啊 我看該如何你們現在該在哪裡這是這一個 哪一個哇 這要怎麼量我買 |
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沒有啦 你要有一個文字看要怎樣 我不能給你們說改這個 這樣就沒有形成出來 文字念不出來好 可以 那就以現在你提這個版本林月琴按照林月琴委員修正動議所提版本第二條這也要運給大家 這樣不行每一個委員都要有才可以 |
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我簽沒問題啊 其他委員也都要看到啊有有有有都盡量把大家的意見放進去但是那個文字要去做整理來 抱歉抱歉抱歉 不好意思謝謝主席那我們台灣民眾黨在這邊做一個補充說明那就是關於這個兒少家庭署它裡頭會有六個內部單位那六個內部單位 |
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當然就涉及分工跟職長的相關說明那我們在那個第二個內部單位就是兒少保護安置署這邊我們有加進去一個叫兒少偏差行為防治輔導的業務項目 |
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這是台灣民眾黨我們加進去的那除此之外在第一個內部單位就兒少健康組他有一個房子照顧括號後面本來是講含淹害房子但是因為我們覺得少年他可能不只有遭受淹害的襲擊他可能日常生活校園內 |
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也會接觸到一些非法物質濫用的可行性可能性所以我們這邊就把那個煙害比較侷限的一個名詞把它擴大成非法物質濫用 那非法物質濫用就可以把一些可能是毒品 可能是煙 可能是什麼的把它涵蓋進去好 以上說明 |
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好 謝謝 我要再次強調說明因為今天審查的是組織法組織法在我們司法法治委員會如果不是在你們為人家你們最在意的那召委是盡量滿足大家只是因為組織法我必須要我來排我盡量把你們納進來我這樣苦口婆心你們若不愛我待會把你們保留都要處理 |
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我本來是要讓你們開開心心 你們待會兒 咻 就在那裡拍照啊你們現在沒有了沒有了 我就要幫你們剝離 有沒有處理啊我已經很盡力在協商了 好不好好 來 就這樣 嘿沒有 我不知道你們沒說好事啦我本來想說你們如果聽完說會好事你就衛福部這樣擬一擬出來我念念你們大家就開心到這樣還有現在第三案喔 請問 |
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我們繼續來處理保留的負債決議有三案現在我們第三案那請問這個提案的委員有補充說明嗎那剛剛我們的負債決議是通過還是怎麼樣沒有沒有 剛才的保留所有的負債決議都保留嗎沒有有嗎負債決議你們不是說沒有問題嗎沒有 剛兩個沒有問題啦你們就文字出來嘛剛才案的保留嘛 |
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因為你們就有意見啦我們的負債決議有問題嗎沒有問題啊 主席沒問題啦沒有問題的就文字給我那個一案一案處理嘛不是不是不是你們審查會保留的部分你們剛才看你們大家十幾九八鐘一直說要加進去我就給你們加要加進去之後你們要文字給我啊沒有啦 我們今天有幾案已經結束OK了 |
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好啦 台灣民眾黨你有案啦 蔣麗玲委員你有案啦 你們大家都有案啦不是 是 你們要哪一個版本是嘛 問題你們兩個的文字不一樣 你們要給我一個啊 看要怎麼樣 |
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我先來做處理原來審查報告附帶決議的第三案我看張惠玲妳也有簽名那我們就照修正動議通過第三案 |
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不 附帶決議 附帶決議第三案 按照修正文字通過再來 您其他的版本那衛福部回應一下 我的部分因為剛才我通過了 你說了 我跟他說我做更正啦是要讓你們加進去嘛 加進去你們就要有書面嘛不是你們講好了 我要看到書面啊 |
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我們本來就有提附帶決議那附帶決議可能衛福部表示意見如果沒有問題就可以通過那衛福部那個王玉民委員的說明衛福部有沒有意見 |
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我們要不要一案一案過就附帶決議題剛才那個就過了沒有沒有就是我剛是一案一案我本來過了那林瑞琴委員你還有你的看法嘛那我就更正嘛我就更正讓你們再提文字修正給我嘛我還主席還沒有主席還沒有看到文字啊我怎麼宣告你不會逼我這裡啦你那文字給我 |
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主席主席我得有文字啦不是 我說剛剛那個剛剛做文字修正的部分等一下 等一下 等一下來 按一下再回來同櫃 我們剛才同櫃在 |
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第三案通過了對 按照修正文字通過了來 現在第一案第一案是王玉敏的第一案是王玉敏 王委員的我們沒有問題 我們可以遵照來 原來第一案你的附帶決議有三個對啊對不對 那 |
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因為你們都跟內部單位分工跟執掌建議相關聯嘛那要申請通告啊我 蔡英文也有 王一民也有 這樣就要叫上個班分 |
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因為全部都是內部分工跟職長那你們各有版本我要按照哪一個版本通過因為你們的長得不一樣啊你們三個都通過了 那個衛護部怎麼辦 |
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妳的是哪一案?我的是第一案的附帶決議五啊我剛才保留,我現在做達成共識做修正文字好,那修正...好,修正...一人一人來,現在先第二案還是第二案?修正動議五啊,妳文字咧?還沒有處理到妳的啊不會啦,啊不會,啊不會,這先來附帶決議先來 |
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那是審查會保留這麻煩不是 |
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好 我們先休息齁 |
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不是 沒有文字啦沒有文字啦今天說好就好來 那個我們現在會議 我們繼續開會啦來 主席跟大家報告啦請坐坐 請坐坐 |
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主席本來以為啊這個法案啊各個政黨大家有所關注在未完委員會裡面啊我看大家是以為大家喬的差不多那我看還是有很多的分歧啊那我們司法法治委員會的你這個整個組織法一定都是到送到司法法治委員會來大家也知道我主持的風格我盡量來滿足各位可是因為你們這個文字弄不出來啦會啦會盡量滿足你們我們則其在協商大家 |
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你不用煩惱 大家說好就會交你的意見今天講好的部分 就照這個會通過這個不用擔心啦 只要我們找個時間啦大家 因為衛生部裡面等一下 等一下 你們等一下 不要講話衛生部你們現在是告訴我們 各政黨都說好了 結果他有說好 |
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有 成長日圍就沒有太多不然成長日圍你太花了 我想說有我是要做餅...不不不 我是要做餅蓋給你們 不不不我們對於兒家屬這個部分我知道各位很...大家非常在意那我在跟... |
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我看王正旭委員 林瑞琴委員 張雅琳委員你也都一直跟我們溝通了很多 我也盡量來滿足各位那陳昭志 台灣民眾黨 或者說中國國民黨這邊所提出來的意見 我們也都非常尊重但是我看你們今天文字是弄不出來的啦這樣啦 石部長你再跟各黨團家 跟衛環的委員再溝通一下 |
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文字出來 我再一次時間我就幫你們通過好不好好 那我們擇期再協商啦好不好那我們今天會議就 協商會議就到這個地方 |
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統統沒人簽啦 不要啦 不要啦這個 那個今天齁 大家各政黨之間 還開誠布公今天大家有共識的 到最後大家也沒有人會耍賴啦因為今天你這個案子 大家所關注的很正面的啦 好不好 我們則即再協商今天協商到這裡 散會 |