| IVOD_ID |
17337 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17337 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T08:33:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T11:32:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:58:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2dc5bef6d628ca929190e2b392a37ba3c67a9d5466ed3f8140187d6b730f99e16d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:42 - 11:32:00 |
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報告委員會出席委員9人,已出法定人數現在開會,請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期外交及國防委員會第七次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年四月八日星期三上午九十至十二時二十二分地點紅樓三零一會議室出席委員陳永康等十二人列席委員洪孟凱等七人請教委員黃仁馬文君列席人員國家安全局局長蔡明彥及所屬人員國防部憲兵指揮部指揮官鄭真祥海洋 |
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委員會海巡署署長張忠榮內政部警政署署長張榮興移民署署長林鴻恩法務部調查局局長陳百利等主席陳昭吉委員冠廷報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定 |
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二 邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出國家情報工作及國家安全局業務報告並備諮詢國家安全局局長蔡明彥報告委員陳冠廷等15人諮詢均由國家安全局局長蔡明彥國防部政治作戰局局長史順文及法務部調查局局長陳柏麗等即席答覆決定一登記諮詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二 委員黃仁馬文君 |
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許曉鑫及林一錦所提書面諮詢列入紀錄刊登公報三委員書面及口頭諮詢未及答覆或要求提供資訊請相關機關於二週內以書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會委員另指定期限者從其所定入遊涉及機密部分請確實依相關保密規定辦理宣讀完畢請問蔡常委員對上次會議是有遺漏錯誤告跟證實處沒有 |
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那我們意思入確定請議事人員宣讀報告事項報告事項邀請國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況並被質詢宣讀完畢現在介紹這場委員以及與會官員首先是陳永康委員 |
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黃建斌委員沈柏洋委員謝謝接下來是我們的第二題列席的這些官員這個退府會的主委嚴德發主委副主委陳靜廣副主委吳智揚早安組任秘書楊長正政規處處長萬文文卓 |
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照扶處處長羅英揚舊養處處長陳香寶舊學就業處處長池玉蘭舊醫保健處處長劉俊政事業管理處處長董少明退出給付處處長劉馬可 |
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行政管理處處長 張光宇人事處處長 陳家世陳捧處處長 高博洋會計處處長 林耀元統計資訊處處長 張志強法規會執行秘書 陳慶儒台北榮總院長 陳威銘院長早安台中榮總院長 傅雲慶院長好 |
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高雄農民總醫院院長陳金順平東農民總醫院院長王瑞祥農民農卷基金會秘書長劉協慶本日會議邀請國軍退役官兵輔導委員會主任委員員得發報告 |
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業務狀況並被質詢現在請顏主委上台報告 |
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1867.079 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好承蒙各位委員先進上會期對本會各項施政的工作的指導跟支持謹致崇高的敬意面對社會形態日益多樣化以及農民退役官民結構多元化不同服務需求的挑戰在擴展農民服務量能優化農家環境推動智慧醫療照護 |
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1909.72 |
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辅导转职稳定就业与深化事业经营管理等方面持续努力精进未来将聚焦人才培育数位转型尖端医疗与永续经营等面向持续推动居民专长转型农民照护数位转型 |
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1910.2 |
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1923.137 |
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优化农家设施打造高龄友善照护环境及农场永续经营以全面提升农民照顾与服务的效能先紧急工作执行现况及未来重点预计灾报如后 |
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1924.295 |
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1942.941 |
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工作执行现况一 妥善业务社会资源扩展农民服务量能以各农服处为服务平台定期访试农民券主动为具风险的农民券装设远距居家照顾系统并结合科技辅具与人力访试相互应用 |
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1943.601 |
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1957.051 |
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并视其需求连接社会资源,并借由本会职员工运用社区资源服务的人员,以及荣心志工协力推动就学、就业、就医、就养及服务照顾等工作。 |
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1958.641 |
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1974.143 |
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2.针对低收入户、中低收入户、特殊经济家庭及经学校认定、清寒无力支付午餐费的对象,提供例假日及寒暑假午餐补助,每月补助新台币80元,发给经济弱势或于 |
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1991.214 |
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急濫困境榮民園急濫救助以及三節慰問令主動就75歲以下具低收中低收入戶中低老人生活津貼及特殊禁慰家庭之榮民及宜眷投保違行保險去年協助納保6891人3. |
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1991.454 |
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榮民榮眷基金會 |
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1995.456 |
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2019.365 |
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去年发放重大灾害救助清寒农民子女大学以上奖学金就学补助农民子女国外求学精英圆梦计划即2469人次3399万亿元而推动多元照护作为优化农家一样环境配合政府长照3.0政策持续推动一样和一服务稳定护理人员 |
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导入智慧辅具建构三级医疗照护网络充实各项照护措施以满足需求各农家总传位数由8785床调整至8857床总占床率占床数是7148床占床率提升80.71感谢稳健服务的量能而奉行政院核定自今年1月1号起 |
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各容家护理人员由委外全面改采约用制度禁用,相关薪资待遇及考评制度都明确规划,提高护理人员薪资待遇,拥有更稳定的服务环境及留院医院,达成员工福利与照护品质双赢的目标。 |
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但一群政府长照政策推动失智忠诚计划于109到115年增建失智床位包括板桥等六所农家共增加502床以启用276床是115年底全数建制完成后失智总床位达1145床协助疏解失智照护需求强化国家长照安全网是促进活跃老化 |
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举办各类热力课程及文康活动以促进认知活化进而延缓失能以促进健康其中高雄农家以活药老化为核心理念成立荣光快乐非洲谷队荣和卫福部114年长者活药老化全国竞赛冠军金牌奖成效显著5.导入智慧辅具结合非药物治疗农家养护区导入智慧床垫有1520床 |
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今年将扩增到2604床可以全速满足各农家养护区私人照护的需求藉由压力感测及离床警示功能有效降低离床跌倒风险并减轻照护人员的工作压力并赋予多元的非药物治疗模式包含怀旧疗法、宠物补疗及运动治疗等达到疗愈的效果其能改善失智症的行为症状 |
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减缓失智,有效提升生活品质而强化职场竞争优势辅导转职稳定就业在就学辅导方面深化产学合作扩大于国立屏东科技大学等15所学校以及日月光半导体等企业合作达成就学及就业的目标而在职业训练方面职训中心致力于提升训练品质 |
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与制度化管理于去年与连续四度获得劳动部人才发展品质管理系统GTQS平和金牌殊荣成效深获肯定办理自办跟委外训练即培训2388人次并推动产训合作计划专案强化训后就业媒合即培训194人次另外透过 |
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职业训练补助的措施,协助官兵依个人职业规划参训,促进在地训练、在地就业,即补助3596人次。3、在职业辅导方面,委托专业机构办理职业视性评量、职业咨询及接受官兵职业探索营,同时试办导入AI模拟面试的工具。 |
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有效提升求职竞争力四在创业辅导方面提供创业咨询计划评估与经营管理辅导训练及服务八百人次五在就业媒合方面配合产业人力需求积极链接公司部门资源训练办理征才活动参与八千六百四十九人次另外成功推荐杨宁海运等居民企业就业 |
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合法稳定就业军贴6346人是推动智慧医疗照护精进医照整合体系本会所属荣总持续推动智慧医疗成果卓著台北荣总为台湾唯一连续三年上榜美国全球前250强最佳医院三所荣总 |
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都获评选为全球最佳智慧医院其中台中荣总连续两年为台湾唯一荣登全球百大智慧医院感谢荣总卓越医疗品质与国际竞争力提升尖端精准医疗量能 |
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配合国家癌症防治三件积极推动重粒子、止止、膨中止、捕获治疗台北人种重粒子癌症治疗启用到今天3月份今年3月已完成692位病患的治疗台北人种与台中人种为健保卡特基细胞治疗认可的9家医学中心之二截至去年已执行122人456次癌症等细胞的治疗 |
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是为缩短城乡医疗差距并强化偏乡农民照顾去年补助44名偏乡医师留院奖金共5250万元并补助91个科经营团队医师计约1.6亿元另外台中人种由院长率队支援24科55名医师进入嘉义分院强化地区集中症医疗量能深化云加兰地区农民圈及区域民众偏乡医疗服务 |
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为部件住宿式长照跟医养合一体系各级容颜积极参与社区整体照顾服务计划ABC单位去年提供居家式长照服务累计10万8563人服务14万8000余人次 |
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2381.091 |
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另外屏東榮總跟台積電、慈善基金會合作辦理醫療起點公益實踐活動結合企業、社區等資源深化社區與偏鄉醫療服務未來全面擴大服務量能 |
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12家容院附设住宿式长照结构,导入智慧床垫,去年有效降低68%跌倒和92%压伤发生几率。17家日照中心应用人脸辨识系统,改善忧郁、妄想等身心行为症状,提供视觉照顾,提升照护效能,其因应我国人口结构老化。 |
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本会所属医疗机构就长期照顾专业人力的准备规划去年各级容院具备长照专业人员资格就一万两千余人持续扩大运用外籍照护人力苏澳及高雄等六所容院已经禁用外籍照护员96名充实长照照护能量并持续招募 |
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8、深化遠距照護及載載醫療台北、台中、高雄三所種種成立遠距醫療中心 |
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提供农家全方位远距照护服务,自111年到114年,供给服务3290人次,减少4成,住民转送医院。另外,推动荣兴照护网计划,透过及时新建图传输与判读,目前中张等9所农家已经完成建置,成功及时救治9名心肌梗塞的病人。 |
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2487.745 |
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各级农院也提供农民券及高龄长者友善就医绿色通道服务提供优先看诊快速挂号批价与签床等服务训练服务31万6千余人次5.深化事业经营管理形塑农场优质服务以精进投资事业营运目标114年税前营营73亿余元较113年成长4.24亿余元 |
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全年目標131.92%安置率42.02%超過本會持股率33.27%經營績效及安置狀況良好持續督促轉投資事業將各類危安事項防範要求列為重要事項以安全為本 落實風險管理 確保營運穩定 |
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为提升农业生产的效益及收益,三高山农场与农业部辖下各单元合作,精进农策产品的栽培技术。三高山农场提供实习场域培育专业人才,去年继17名大专院校学生至农场实习。 |
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2551.009 |
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在三高山農場及台中農場松原別館參加觀光署觀光亮點獎榮獲最佳人氣獎十大觀光亮點最佳國際創新獎及台灣觀光一百亮點據交通部觀光署二零二五年全台農場跟牧場觀光人士排行榜的統計 |
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农业高山清净农场、武林农场、福寿山农场名列前五名,去年累计约120万人次游客到访,其中清净农场更以近68万人次居首,为全台最受青睐的农场,感谢行销推广跟旅游的成效。 |
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4.为感谢军营保教卫国及本会员工医护人员长期照顾农民的辛劳本会推出比照农民的优惠措施结合媒体采线深化体验强化行销退府会观光圈整体品牌与旅行社合作推出五福林门套装行程并将青云农场纳入整体行销提供优质山林体验 |
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5.为生化品牌经营,结合故宫博物院百年愿庆,携手合作推出五大农场严选商品,共22项联名商品,提升农场品牌价值和曝光度。未来工作的重点1. |
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建置居民专程转型后职科技人才培育,以为协助现役官兵执牙规划。 |
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2641.777 |
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退后军职专长得以顺利转化民间职能自去年起及委托专业团队建设军民专长转型对照表历经116场次现役官兵的访谈以及53次场官学界专家的验证会议预定今年4月底将全数完成所有的军民职业专长的对照 |
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明年1月平台启用后预期可以引导官兵再因此培养专业军职技能退伍后由本会和荣福处辅以AI模拟面试深层履历精准就业媒合缩短待业时间有效延伸推进官民人力资源到民间职场持续发挥面对全球AI发展的趋势执行中心推动执行课程创新以及教学设备的升级 |
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今年将持续增加AI课程时数并更换于明年建置AI专业教室透过训练实作系统性培养训员AI应用的能力强化高阶技术人才培育此外配合政府五大信赖产业政策积极开办无人机培训课程与职训中心建置专业训练场辅导学员考取专业证照 |
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职训衔接就业方面115年规划于新北台中高雄市荣福处与在地标杆企业推动产讯合作落实信用合一机制明年扩大到六都办理但配合政府推动人工智慧半导体及智慧制造等重点科技产业人才培育政策 |
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今年持续与国立情义科大等15所大学院校合作,链接教育部推动的产学合作专班及产硕专班,以推出与官民就读科技相关系统,辅导居等参与半导体等科技产学合作班,兼顾就学就业需求,帮助进入交友前景的产业安定生活。 |
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是为提升退股政策的能见度与触及率以今年4月1号起与大型人力银行网站建置推行官民就业服务专区串联本会及执行中心官网建构跨平台就业服务资讯的网络提升就业辅导的效能 |
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而发展智慧系统平台荣民照护数位转型因超高龄社会来临做好孤独老服务照护建置荣民照护数位转型平台提供医疗端包含各荣总非医院医疗团队及各管事服务端包含荣服处社区服务组长辅导人社公司零头人跟零里长个案端及家属端包含家庭成员及看护 |
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跨领域的公务馆应用及时的APP系统同步让参与协助照护人员更紧密照护更透明并以今年作为农民照护转型推动原理整合医疗保健资讯照顾服务与健康 |
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檢查等資料建構健康風險預測模型經本會驗證初步成果顯示已可由被動回應式照顧邁向主動預測時整合型照顧的一個新階段 |
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发挥一点政变全面应援的效果从事后的处理走向事前的预防减少非预期就医及医疗资源的浪费不仅落实依照合一实现农民安心安老的核心目标引领对高龄农民圈的照护升级做好孤独老的服务照顾三引进尖端医疗科技创新多元诊疗技术台中人种植子治疗中心将整合 |
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放射化学药物手术免疫疗法提供国家级癌症医疗服务并预划明年试云配合国家推动新形态临床试验规划新建台中农种科技大楼打造符合国际标准的卓越临床试验中心预划今年10月开工为缩短心脏急症患者动线的流程降低移动风险 |
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台北榮總規劃新建新血管中心大樓預期於明年開工次優化榮家硬體建設建構高齡友善環境第一持續推動榮家設施更新與家居環境改善工程並規劃在116年起推動台北榮家設施及環境總體營造中層計劃設施老舊建物更新動線改善無障礙環境強化跟照護空間的重塑 |
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同时导入智慧科技与安全机制并透过数据化管理提升照护精准与效率减轻人力负担其可舒缓北部地区安养护常位后住的需求的压力导入智慧科技辅具建立新型照护模式16所农家无线网路以全面完成建制形成稳定且高效率的数位服务基础逐步推广智慧辅具打造让农民前辈 |
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活得更健康,過得更精彩,生活更有尊嚴的醫療環境 |
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五 完善农场经营环境促进事业永续发展以配合国家资源永续利用政策农场推动农策产品友善的工作福州山农场更为在115年到120年分六年推动原项更新并配合行政院自然碳汇关键战略计划逐步达到造林50公顷的目标二 |
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为提升农场油气设施的服务品质与安全性三高山农场近年已投入十亿元办理客房整修、油气设施更新及整体环境优化未来将持续推动引入民间资源执行宜兰站、七兰及名池 |
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3.鼓励各事业以前瞻思维落实永续发展及慈善企业社会的责任依循ESG关键指标与法规落实永续发展及善尽企业社会责任 |
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应用现代化科技思维治理平台,强化内部控制与风险管控,提升决策效率与监管能力,优化组织韧性与应变能力。6.强化国际退协链接,开创友好合作新局,扩展与美国及亚太地区重要退伍军人团体跟邻近国家相关组织合作网络。 |
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深化国际退府交流布局透过与驻台外馆国际智库及海外融光会互动合作宣扬我国遵从退府军人完善照顾体系的核心价值并派遣农家及农夫处首长出访分享并吸取有谋实务的经验 |
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借以全面提升农民券服务跟照顾品质另外因国际政经情势快速变动积极与理念相近的民主国家交流深化伙伴关系扩大我国国际参与跟政策发生的能量彰显中华民国在国际社会中的重要性与贡献结与国军退出于官兵服役期间对国家安全无私奉献牺牲付出奠定我国稳定发展的重要基础本会基于 |
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同工報薰 榮民為本 秉持中正團結 關懷 誠朴開創的核心價值順應社會環境變遷 持續檢討與精進各項服務與政策措施提供周延而具前瞻性的服務與照顧以上報告 敬請各位委員先進不定指導 敬祝各位委員先進健康如意 報告完畢 |
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那我們現在開始詢答本會委員4加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點半截止方案登記如果有提及實體案請在10點半前提出11點左右處理現在請沈博洋委員謝謝主席有請主委謝謝我們請主委謝謝 |
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主委好我想先問一下這一次花蓮馬太安馬太安這一次我們有看到北榮有下去做功夫啟動心理衛生巡迴的醫療服務 |
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這個確實當地是非常需要幫助因為其實不管是焦慮憂鬱等等的情形其實是在災後重建是非常常見的所以我想說是不是可以就這一個方面來說明一下現在的一個整個的進度 |
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報告委員北龍院長北龍院長跟您報告沒問題報告委員那個光佈鄉因為它整個鄉只有五個醫師沒有精神科的醫師的確需要幫忙所以我們育理分院現在新回醫療每兩個禮拜去一次有醫師跟護理師到大同村南富村大概人口加起來兩千人提供協助如果這樣的量能還不夠民眾有請求我們再加派目前是OK的 |
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好 密度是高的因為我看到農村其實我們的原民朋友也非常的多所以確實在這個資源的分配上是比較不夠那再幫忙評估一下如果說有不夠的情形的話可能就要請本人再辛苦一點好 謝謝那再來我想問一下這個主委就是因為這一次的新興資本跟這一個新增計畫有將近這個 |
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那這個台北榮民總醫院信義院區的新建計畫我相信在這一個北部的辦公室其實已經有討論過了那我認為這件事情確實重要因為這跟我們的這整個的信義院區的一個規劃然後還有同仁的住宿然後以及對於未來我們其實這是有戰略性的一個需求那現在這一個的進度因為畢竟他現在就是沒有辦法通過那我們現在該怎麼處理這件事情 |
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包圍我們今年的預算 變了有預算的經費就是要整理這個松德營區松德營區將來就要呈讓給北龍 改信義院區那預算如果沒有通過 那他的整修就會延宕那他一延宕 自然而然就會延宕到信義院區明年要開工的整個的時程 |
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所以我們希望預算能夠盡快去通過讓我們把松德營區的同仁能夠搬到松柏松柏整建好之後可以順利的進去因為我看這件事情是蠻趕的上次在考察的時候就已經發現這個問題了那我們當然是希望預算能夠趕快審查但是這一件事情我覺得對我們來講這個其實對未來尤其是整個榮總的這整個的量能其實是有非常大的幫助 |
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那心醫院區報員他是在心醫院那個地方是一個高端的癌症治療中心而且跟國際都有交流其實重點就是國際交流這一個部分好 那這個我們就只能盡快啦我們希望立法院能夠盡快接下來我想問一下鐘榮的問題就是第三醫療大樓那因為第三醫療大樓確實也可以增加多一點量能但我看進度上好像稍微慢了一點是否可以說明一下這個第三醫療大樓的進度 |
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像沈委員報告台中總總第三醫療大樓的新辦計劃本來是預定118年3月14日竣工那截至3月31號今年為止目前的工程進度事實上是35.73% |
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較預定的17.36%事實上是超前18.37%所以目前整體施工並沒有落後的情形那我們會加強進度的管控確保工程可以如期如止的完工好那這沒有問題啦因為今天時間的關係我想說就是確保一下這些不管是量能上還有進度上都有符合我們的預期那 |
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最後有這一個那個執訓這一個部分我之前每一次都會問但是是不是可以很簡短的報告因為好像是預估這個五月的時候可以完成嘛我記得那現在是不是進度這個反而是超前是不是請指出 |
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委員好 我是就學監事處處長跟您報告我們原定的計畫其實7月上市6月可是我們4月底這個月底就是這個月底這個月底就會完成753項所有的軍事專長的對照然後我們再持續進行一個優化但是我們的運用平台就必須還有因為我們還有AI的智能服務的設計那就必須在10月底才會完成然後11 12月我們會做這個功能測試跟教育訓練OK |
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好那這個如果是進度超前當然是好事啦那還是要注意一下就是上次我特別提到的資安問題那這個應該是講過很多次了我就不多說但是倒回來講就是謝謝就是在這一個我們現在看到我們這一次的業報裡面有提到就是我們榮業這個長照機構那它有導入這個智慧床墊啊什麼這個沒問題那它這個 |
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那個有運用這個人臉辨識這個系統改善憂鬱妄想等身心行為的症狀我想這是新的趨勢啦這個沒有什麼問題剛剛也有提到這個在智慧醫院的排行這個在國際上我們也是赫赫有名那但是因為只要是有人臉辨識都一定會有個人隱私安全的問題所以這一個是不是長者或者說家屬有沒有同意使用那如果有的話就算今天有這個 |
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同意這一些資料他以後要怎麼去銷毀等等之類這個機制目前如何想確認一下這個治安的部分 |
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委員它主要是應用在各種種跟分院的日照中心應用在這個單位那它的人臉辨識系統它是內網操作內網運作那如果對外媒鏈接的話就要去識別化的一個處理那相關的這些剛剛委員所關心的軟硬體的設備都按照治安法的規定來辦理防火牆 專點防護還有防毒軟體這些防護的一些作為都按照相關的治安法的規定來確保飲食及資訊安全 |
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後續我覺得保障安全這個部分這樣聽起來比較沒有什麼問題但前階段是否有這個經過同意啊等等之類的這個也要確保那因為時間的因素我大概問到這裡是是 這我們會管制好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席好 謝謝沈浦洋委員接下來我們邀請陳永康委員質詢 |
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主席有請嚴主委我們請嚴主委學長委員好 主委好剛剛聽取的報告內心感觸很深第一個我們的這些榮民前輩前半生在國軍服務犧牲奉獻雖然檯面上我們看不到顯著的功勳但是實際上他們每一個人的犧牲奉獻 |
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以及他的愛國情操啊其實不輸每一個國民那麼因此除了對榮民的照顧以外就剛才也聽到榮總意願那我們榮總的量能未來成長的這個capacity我們都是表達支持跟肯定但是最近啊我們看到國際情勢啊像俄烏戰爭啊 |
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以色列在加沙的冲突以及最近美国跟伊朗的冲突除了军职人员还有很多老百姓的伤患那如果碰到这种问题一个是我们未来有没有这个预量在应急的规划中间先做一点潜在的前瞻计划做规划那么另外一个就是跟医疗体系本身没有冲突的就是 |
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因為意外事件我們發現如果我們的試電中斷了那麼我們各個醫院他的緊急發電機的儲油跟儲水這個是可以修法來提升他能力他都有這個能力可是因為是消防安全法比方講你的儲油是多少小時這個東西我們要考慮到未來的潛在衝突希望在供水供電在試電中斷的過程中我們能夠持續有一個時間 |
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那么下面我做几个建议我特别强调的就是我们这个推幅会对农家的照顾推幅会就知道农民需要什么就做什么东西那我们从的目标方法手段这个我们都有一个完整的作业的流程那我就提出几个建议 |
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第一個是降低榮總的工作負荷在就醫方面醫療體系前提下我們篩選民間優質的醫療體系來共同合作這樣可以把它的負擔稍微降低一點那麼民間也可以跟榮總來做接軌 |
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第二个舒缓后诊看诊的时间就是善用的绿色通道包括这些先进的资讯系统确保流程的效率跟服务的品质减轻这个焦虑与病痛那么周全医疗体系环境刚才您讲了将来AI系统一定是取代了很多复杂性的工作那前面的委员咨询也强调了 |
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AI只要是资讯先进啊你就考虑到治安的问题那回过头来我们又不得考虑如果暂时的时候荣家的医院跟三军现有的医院这些对于现职的军人的战伤他的个人的这个资料是不是可以流通而不是要进去重新再验血重新再做测量这是 |
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一个新的approach但是呢安全的问题也要强化那最主要就是现在法规下整合大数据以及优化数据库这个干在您的刚才报告中间呢我们听到在在在推进我们会支持这个理念那最后就是一个调整旧养金的给付啊 |
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领取救养金的荣民期待是不是建议能够比照公务人员呢或者均值的调整同步也提升一下这个军公教这个比照的一个方法请这个主委给一些意见和指导 |
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謝謝委員這些精闢的指導我想我們要服務照顧農民是我們的本務委員這些指導我覺得都非常的重要不管是降低農種的工作的負荷還有綠色通道我們的一個貫徹跟民間的合作周全的醫療跟調整的救養金這些意見都非常的寶貴我想我們回去 |
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我們各處會做分辦然後再跟委員做回報特別是剛剛委員所提到的我們暫時的醫材我們主要是配合醫政動員的準備計劃我們儲備有25項的藥品跟70項的衛材這個是按照動員計劃來的其中有17項是重要的藥品還有13項的衛材 |
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是在三個總院從110年開始就已經儲備了而且它是25萬人份然後平常就按照時間來推成換新那平時它是有兩到三周的庫存量那一到三級的管制藥品有一個月的庫存量所以這些 |
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從這個中東戰爭我們都在做一些檢視做一些檢驗看怎麼樣能夠符合戰事的需求以及剛剛講的動員準備計劃裡面的規範那剛剛委員提到的降低總統的工作負荷我們 |
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台中歐陽總最近獲得友善環境醫學中心獎獲獎他在裏面採取了很多措施包含委員所提到的減輕我們的負荷我剛在業務報告裏面也報告了 |
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怎麼樣去智慧化一些設施跟設備的一些徵購減輕我們醫護人員尤其護理師 照護人員的一個負擔那台中的那種特別他們是把護病比給它降低我覺得這個措施可以然後自己去排班 |
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謝謝主委的回應我想我們要大家努力要強化對農家的照顧作為對當年農民犧牲奉獻的一個回饋謝謝 |
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謝謝接下來我們請陳俊宇委員好謝謝主席我們請顏主委還有陳院長我們請陳院長顏主委謝謝 |
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主委院長早我們院長可能是醫療受到大眾的肯定也在醫術方面 |
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連詐騙集團都對我們院長進行AI身為的影片在傳播我覺得這蠻不可取的我們好像北龍也在第一時間已經澄清了很多的這種藥物的推銷或是這種商業手法都 |
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用我們院長的肖像,這真的是蠻可怕的我想針對我們北榮在宜蘭的蘇澳跟園山有兩個分院常年來都是照顧我們榮民還有國軍官兵的一個非常重要的醫護院所同時在守護宜蘭鄉親的健康,也付出許多的心力 |
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那這兩間分院的醫療資源和照護的量能不論在集中症的處理還有長照服務甚至在偏鄉醫療的資源上對地方來說都扮演著不可或缺的角色我想這兩間分院目前在人力配置還有資源的發展現況以及未來的這個展望想和這個主委還有院長進一步的討論跟追蹤 |
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特別在面對超高齡社會的醫療和照護需求持續增加我們是否已經有做好萬全的準備來因應眼前所面臨的相關挑戰讓我們相關的照護量能還有進一步提升的空間上個月兩分院新任的熊院長 |
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在就任典禮上他有說到未來將持續深化與地方及社區的這個連結緊密結合北榮這個總院的豐沛資源全面提升殊榮還有元榮分院的整體醫療量能那致力在榮敏及我們宜蘭鄉親提供更優質還有完善的相關健康照護的服務那我想是不是先請我們陳院長說明一下未來我們要如何透過我們北榮的這個 |
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好的這個醫療體系的支持能夠提升我們蘇龍還有圓融兩間分院整體的一個醫療量非常謝謝陳委員首先我要感謝你對個人的關心這個詐騙集團的事情實在非常可惡第一時間都報案因為我怕有民眾受害那至於說圓山蘇澳呢台北榮總的資源是責無旁貸就重症的部分 |
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那我們現在支援14個科部每個月超過25個醫師去那這個是基本的另外一個綠色通道更重要如果有重症需要北龍處理我們直接接到電話接到通知直接轉送回來絕對不會有沒有床的事情這個守護依然相親是非常重要至於高齡長照我們現在的護理師家呢原數號有300多床 |
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圓山一百多床,一百五十幾床那這個各地市市的據點高齡長照的據點,我們很多的村裡都有現在一個表達我們最大的善意我們最近,奉我們主委的同意我們要把高齡醫學中心即將卸任的部主任他是各中的高手 |
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私製長照的高手社區醫療的高手他要到宜蘭服務是那這個會注入一個非常大的力量我希望他變成一個典範另外一個我們的陽明交大附設醫院他的院長也是台北榮總指派過去那我們希望成成一個三角養大復醫 |
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另外我們的蘇澳園山一起合作努力,來照顧我們的宜蘭鄉親謝謝委員確實是有啦,我們這個北榮跟我們的蘇榮還有園榮齁整個連結在一起的時候,能夠提升給我們提供給我們在地的這個醫療的這個服務面向非常的廣 |
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那也謝謝我們這個北榮包括我們所有的同仁一起努力也都有協助我們在地的需求來達到那個醫療的服務 |
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那我想延續這個醫療量能還有長照需求的這個部分我們也必須務實來面對一個問題就是人力是否能夠這個跟上服務擴充的一個腳步那無論在這個醫療還是長照還有失智失能的這個服務都來自於第一線專業的護理還有長照人員 |
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那如果我們專業的這種人力缺口過大再完善的這種政策還有設備恐怕也都難以真正的來落實那這是全國性的問題 |
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但是在特別在宜蘭地區受限於地理因素還有人口結構的影響人力的招募留任本來就相對的困難近年來隨著需求的增加在第一線人員的工作負擔也持續加重我們要如何來穩定我們的人力減輕壓力並且能夠吸引更多年輕世代來願意投入已經是當前非常迫切的一個問題 |
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那業報當中也指出我們榮榮開始透過引進外籍照服員來補充人力缺口但相關的制度與配套措施是否已經完善我想在此我請教我們兩分院目前在照護及這個長照人力上是否穩定那目前這個殊榮還有袁榮引進外籍照護員的情況為何那是否能夠確保照護的品質 |
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老闆我跟您報告一下兩個分院現在都有護理之家他們占床率我覺得還蠻高的占床率說跟原床率分別是84跟88那長照人力非常的穩定而且他們引進了24名越南籍的外籍的照護人那狀況都非常好 |
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然后有关于刚刚委员关心的对外的这个护理师的招募苏澳分院他跟圣母一副专科学校签订了五年的专科学校毕业生的一个展示计划就是每年提供五个护理科的学生的奖学金然后可以到医院来服务然后与台北荣总办理的这些链接的招募有更新健康专科学校还有国立台北护专这都有也有同学有意愿愿意去这两个偏乡医院来服务 |
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所以這個可以跟委員多報告那兩個分院在北陸指導之下積極提升薪資跟福利提供在校護理系學生獎學金積極招募跟留任人才這目前三半護病費也都沒問題沒問題了好那針對這個是否引進這個外籍的照護員那其實凸顯的是我們照護現場人力不足的相關問題 |
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那外籍照護員的加入只是救急治標那對於我們醫院端還是必須全面檢視我們這個醫務人員勞動的一個環境問題還有相關的薪資的問題那再來針對外籍照護員 |
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可能有這個語言溝通上的一個疑慮那我想提出一個建議就是是否我們能夠與在地的這個休息過長照的外籍學生優先作為我們合作的對象一來可以減輕我們這個溝通上的一個盲區那二來也可以這個縮減我們環境適應的相關問題以上提供給我們這個單位做參考謝謝主委跟謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝主委謝謝委員接下來我們邀請羅美玲委員上台諮詢謝謝主席有請嚴主委請主委 |
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羅委員好諸委早安諸委我們輔導會所屬的這個榮總無論是在醫療品質或是在這個國際競爭力確實是成果非常的這個卓越喔也因為醫療品質的受到這個肯定那所以榮總除了服務我們榮民之外的其實呢國人遇到這個病痛呢榮總往往呢是首選喔可是呢對於來自世界各國的這個外籍人士或是新住民來講呢可能可敬信就不是那麼的高 |
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因為根據新南向人員健康服務中心最近跟多位在台生活多年的新住民深入訪談發現即使已經是長期居住在台灣新住民在就醫的過程當中普遍面臨語言跟資訊落差的問題舉個例子來講用藥指導方面好了 |
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那由於醫療人員有時候他講的這個速度比較快一點或者是沒有提供適當的語言的這個輔助所以造成新住民或是外籍人士理解上面的是有困難的所以進而影響到這個用藥的這個正確性那其實呢我們北榮在2018年的時候曾經有一個創舉就是率先的成立了新住民門診可是後來因為掛號的人數偏低後來我們就 |
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停止辦理了那當然在2024年的時候我曾經也有質詢過這個問題那當然榮總當然院長那時候我記得你有提到就是說那個掛號的這個這個人數過低那可能就是因為他大部分都是有家屬在陪同也許他覺得他只要掛副科或者是說他想要掛這個骨科等等家屬可能就直接就替他掛了那個專門的這個 |
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這個科 比如說他可能需要婦產科 他可能就直接就掛婦產科就不會到新住民門診區 所以造成了這個掛號人數偏低其實這樣子也反映出就是說 新住民如果沒有家屬的陪同如果是他單獨去掛號的話 他可能對他來講這是一個很大的門檻 |
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如果就變成說他沒有辦法單獨去到這個我們這個醫療體系去做一系列的這個檢查那因為醫院來講對他來講是一個很困難的一個理解所以我就想請問現在我們的新住民門診 |
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也挺棒的 我想當然不只單單想問北榮我想問問我們的榮總那如果說新住民到我們榮總區的話如果他需要這個多國語言的這個協助的話目前我們的機制到底有哪一些協助的方案我要請陳院長跟您報告一下 |
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謝謝委員提出這麼重要的一個議題那過去榮總當時2018年成立新竹門診後來會無疾而終的主要原因是因為台北榮總主要是來治療急重難寒他分科又分得非常的細如果每一個門診都設的話第一個護理師人力不足醫師人力不足每天可能各科只看到一兩個病人所以最後我們就把它改成一個 |
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一個聯絡電話一個專線服務電話讓他們有問題可以打電話來我們幫他分派你這個問題可能是哪一科的那可以讓他去那邊看不過呢我在臨床上我現在在看門診也常常看到我們的新住民北榮的新住民的門診我們根據拘留證的號碼一個月大概兩千人一個月有兩千人一個月大概兩千人有兩千人呢當然照顧他們非常的重要那現在我們發現一個事情來的要嘛自己會講一點中文 |
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要嘛會講一點英文要嘛都有家屬而且現在的手機每一個人都有翻譯軟體他一拿出來之後如果講不通就可以跟我翻譯我們一起跟他對話聊天也沒有什麼問題眼神交會也可以溝通那如果再不行會碰到需要通譯翻譯人員的是在急診 |
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因為送急診的人他突然可能一個勞工那他宿傷了到急診室他不能臨時找到家屬來的時候什麼沒辦法溝通我們醫院有越南語有日語這通醫的人員隨時他會來幫忙所以我們在醫院裡面其實就有常駐的通醫人員我們國際大中心有兩位 |
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精通越南語其中有一位是越南國營電視台的英文主播那他的幫我們很多很多忙他為什麼來榮總服務是因為孩子到榮總來換肝成功他會來報答台灣 |
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是 那當然剛剛院長有提到就是說我們有所謂的服務專線那我們服務專線的餘種因為說實在的因為我們在前兩天其實有跟我們輔導會這邊聯繫是說我們有服務專線其實我們到這個我們的網頁去看的話我們找不到這個專門為新住民服務的這個服務專線所以我們也不知道它藏在什麼地方如果這個服務專線是那麼難 |
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找的話其實它是沒有功能的所以我們不曉得說到底這服務專線在哪裡那當然院長提到說其實在我們醫院裡面其實都有這個同意人員可是在服務專線方面可能院長可能要幫我們尋找一下因為我們在網頁上找不到那還有一點就是說我們在我們的專門的網頁裡面專頁裡面有看到就是說我們有英文 |
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有英文的這個是親南向國家的語言像越南啊 印尼我們找不到那舉個例子來講我們有進到另外一家就是說這個台北市立的聯合醫院它有提供這個新住民的友善門診之外呢它也有外語同意查詢服務比如說它的外語同意服務它有 |
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印尼語、越南語甚至還有緬甸語那我不曉得說我們榮總有沒有提供這個線上的這個外語的同意服務我們不曉得因為他那個還有時段喔所以這個的話我想說榮總是不是來參考一下那另外呢還有就是說我有看到有新竹縣衛生局所主導的北區醫療網其實它有結合醫療同意資源呢推出了新著名就醫手指書 |
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這個是就醫的小幫手我想這種種都可以來提供服務那當然那個剛剛我們院長有提到說我們現在有手機隨時可以做翻譯可是翻譯是不是準確不知道可是我是覺得像這個北區醫療網他所提供的這個新住民就醫手指數他從掛號片診斷片到領藥片他都有非常清楚的這個指示比如說我們舉個例子來講我們畫面上顯示的是越南語的部分你看掛號片他有 |
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就算你聽不懂這個中文不是很理解在掛號的時候他就直接在這個上面就說請問你要掛號嗎請問你是初診嗎是或否那請填寫初診單字類 |
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他都有這個我是覺得應該是還蠻好用的所以我是在想說為了新住民跟外籍人士的這個禁用性我覺得有很多的這個小小的一些指導我覺得都很需要那我們知道說當然我們有專業的這個通訊人員可是我們在想說如果再給他們多一點輔助的話對這個新住民跟外籍人士的這個禁用性呢可以有很大的這個幫助 |
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真的非常感謝委員今天我下午回去就交代同仁處理一定要讓他放在很明顯的地方讓我們新住民的好朋友容易找到榮總因為我們找不到服務專線一定讓他很快找到OK好以上謝謝謝謝委員謝謝羅美玲委員接下來我們邀請黃榮委員來進行諮詢 |
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謝主席,有請我們主委還有北農院長好,我們請主委跟院長黃委員好主委好那個,我針對這個北農的話,院長衛福部日前公布一四年度婦理友善職場典範的一個認證計畫那典範醫院名單 |
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本席非常意外的是一直被認為負病比名列前茅的一個台北龍總竟然沒有醫學中心等級的前六名那請問院長原因為何那後來我查了一下那近五年的全國醫療機構全日平均負病比是1.11 |
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主要就是一個婦理室差不多照顧到11個那我們北農平均來講都是1.8那如果以整個平均約1.72所以院長你來說明一下好不好 |
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非常感謝黃委員提出這麼重要一個議題讓我有機會來表達其實台北榮總過去最引以為傲的是我們的工職比例是全國最高佔了將近七成那成大只有三成多那其他醫院 部立醫院兩成多可是現在因為法規的修訂要保護員工的安全危勞降臨現在55歲護理師就可以提早退休領退休金 |
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對榮總造成一些很大的影響因為這群很有經驗在榮總貢獻這麼久的護理師他會選擇在去年年底之前就退休他領退休金到私人醫療機構去服務甚至到長照這個為國家高興他們可以幫 |
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我們的私人體系也是在造福我們台灣但是我心裡面是非常的痛因為我怎麼去努力營造好的環境怎麼去補人都來不及這些公職護理師的優勢加上現在政府的規定 |
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公家機關的護理師,如果不是主管60歲一定要退,私人醫院沒有這個規定,他們更到65有些人60歲以後他體力非常好,眼睛都很好,打針也很準,可是他不得已他就要退所以如果是這個法令可以修改,對台北榮總會有非常大的幫忙 |
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那所以北龍為了要穩定其實我們去年的離職率是這幾年最低我們留任率這幾年最高也收了283位新的護理師可是呢公職護理師的提前退休把所有的努力都打折了所以沒辦法拿到這個獎但是我可以委員報告台北龍總護理師 |
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效能的濃度應該全國數一數二的應該不是全國第一就是第二這個我是本席肯定但是現在你提出的問題是不是有檢討的空間提出 |
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來讓我們整個院會的立法委員是不是看看是不是有其他的一些補救的方案因為現在如果以法令的一政策來講的話是對未來北農不管是全國的農種都會有相當的影響報告委員55歲威牢降臨其實我看起來是短空長多 |
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短期會流失很多人不過呢這個是護理師他從事公職他的福利我們不能擋他以後可以領退休金又可以領備全新四人運的全新這個不能擋但是如果在60歲的退休有些人就想要留在公職希望能做到65歲這塊立法院如果可以幫我們解套 |
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我們不如小補可以留下一些願意留在公家醫院服務的人到65歲再退不像私人醫院他們可以留那麼久這個是這一點讓他們用自願制也不要影響護理師的權益可是兼顧可以照顧我們國家公立醫院的醫療那現在呢我們真的很努力去拼這個事情所以還好榮總有新的優質的護理師宿舍否則現在整個崩盤當國家疫情在一起 |
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我們公立醫院會造成很大的影響走第一線的都是公家機關的醫院所以我希望政府多給我們支持讓我們護理師更幸福讓我們人可以留得更多否則現在釋放這麼多利多已經把所有的能放老都放出來了可是四人醫院每天的廣告 |
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臨終獎金六個月十個月我就預估無類公家機關最多一天五個月那競爭力在哪裡所以這個法規沒有修訂之前所以我們永總的美食街停車場業外收入不能拿來發獎金如果這個業外收入我可以來發獎金我把同仁照顧得更好吃一碗麵就是來照顧醫護同仁以上向委員報告很好 |
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你提出這個議題來講也讓我們很多的委員都了解看看是不是我們來共同一起研究如何讓這一些醫護人員從他的自發性 |
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包含他的自願意以及他借領到這個退休的時候能不能留下來那當然我們以他的一個尊重他的自發性願意來留下來來繼續為這些義父我們的這個龍總醫院的病人來做一個造福這是很好的一個政策那我想 |
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這個我們會你們也提出一些方案給我們做一個參考好不好以上謝謝謝謝委員指導謝謝黃仁委員接下來我們請王定雲委員上台質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩主委請主委主委怎麼感覺好像好久不見了那個主席應該常常排退府會來報告才對這個 |
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主委辛苦了有一個事情剛好問你是最對的因為你擔任部長的時候我們也討論過這個話題有關軍民專長的轉嫌平台那這是本席在2024年當時的質詢也就是我們在軍中的職業軍人或者一般的軍人他有軍中專長嘛我裝甲兵我炮兵我有自己的專長但是呢我們軍中的袍澤他會利用公於 |
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的時間可能去進修啊會拿到學位會拿到檢定會拿到證照嘛或者他有其他特殊專長廚藝啊各方面所以當時我在質詢的時候就建議說部隊的現役軍人這些自己進修各方面的專長包含軍中的專長應該跟人事部門登載在兵籍資料電子兵資裡面而這一個資料 |
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也不能當作我軍隊裡面要把你派用你原來私底下有這個專長那我派你去開怪手不行那這有加一個前提我們也提了一個臨時提案在2024年那個主委你可以看一下在立法院公報這個有登載在裡面也就是官兵的電子兵資在退伍之後國防部應該把這一個電子兵資轉給 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
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退府會由退府會根據這樣的專長不管是訓練或者輔導就業讓軍中的專長不管是原來部隊的專長或者工於進修的專長便於銜接他的第二職業我覺得對我們軍人跑則是很重要一件事情比如說我們很多運輸官現在在台鐵開火車 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
5437.89 |
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5452.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
或者我們有一些EMTJ我們急救兵的專長也許未來可以輔導到衛福部做護佐來解決這個醫護的不足的部分所以當時做的這個建議我還特別提到說這一些 |
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與職業務無關的自己進修的學位啦證照檢定證明等等我們放在人事的兵資資料裡面但是不要把它拿來當作他在職業軍人的調動那是你在部長那一塊我現在回到退輔會我看你們這一次的業報裡面有把這個放進去了這個我先謝謝表示我們在其實已經快兩年了兩年前的建議現在退輔會有要把它納入所以我現在請教兩個問題第一個 |
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5483.553 |
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5509.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
國防部把電子兵資移到退府會這一塊有沒有困難沒有困難取得沒有問題嗎有沒有各資的問題啊各方面都不會沒有問題所以你們現在有取得了嗎我們這個系統是跟勞動部的各分署桃竹苗分署鏈接的你們右手右手是跟國防部的兵資資料是國防部的人事嘛左手是跟那個勞動部的輔導就業那我們自己退府會 |
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5510.447 |
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5537.806 |
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也有給這些退伍軍人的訓練啊 輔導嘛我們退伍會這邊輔導去民間就業我們那時候還有薪資補助六千 一萬二等等做得還不錯所以如果兵資資料取得沒有問題的話我可不可以大膽建議主委因為我看你們的夜報說希望在明年一月份正式啟用現在才四月真的不要像我們國會在審查年度預算一樣拖了半年什麼事都沒做這個可以快一點嗎 |
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5540.444 |
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5556.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
可不可以提早 就是不要到明年 你賓資的移轉沒有問題了嘛然後呢 我們的輔導就業訓練現有就有一個體系了嘛那我們現在是不是可以儘速啟用 不要拖到明年1月好 謝謝委員的關心各位委員報告 我們現在758項的這個軍職專長在這個月底會完全盤出來 |
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5561.215 |
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5585.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那但是還是需要去做專家的去那個做一些校正那重點是我們因為要透過一個御用平台將來在廣為御用御用平台是在哪御用平台是在我們的現有的那個就業服務網裡面我會擴充那這個呢需要去時間因為他是1月3月而且我還有AI就業智能服務10月才能夠完成不管是AI或者不AI |
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這個東西其實就是他在部隊的兵資資料裡面他到底有什麼什麼專長有沒有什麼證照 廚師以及證照或者是重機具操作證照或者是某某大學管理學院畢業碩士這些東西你們第一個要做的是分類這分類我建議怎麼分類呢 |
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5630.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
看勞動部的就業服務的分類跟他對在一起那對在一起之後就把軍中的兵資轉成輔導就業的那個序號是一樣的那這樣就連在一起了這時候你有兩個好處第一個勞動部這邊現在有1000個就業需求電子業的有多少台積電要多少或者是餐飲業有多少那個序號就可以對著上來然後現在我們 |
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部隊的弟兄姊妹退伍了他這幾個符合那個專長你可以告訴他說那裡有六個職缺這裡有八個職缺你可以過去這第一個好處所以那個序號要對接第二個對於你們自己開辦的職訓或者有尋才有一些企業透過你們要尋才的也可以透過這樣子直接媒合那這個事情其實不用太久時間啦 |
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5669.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
認真做的話因為這種分類一個禮拜就可以做得完我們王委員也是勞工專家這個不會太久他要立切的建交跟委員報告一下他這個系統大概三個部分第一個就是君子專長您剛剛指導的他什麼專長750多項專長然後第二個欄位就是他可以因為我們跨部會 |
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5698.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
經濟部 還有勞動部 教育部相關的工作 民間的職位有哪些最後一欄第三欄就是你的證照你必須獲得什麼證照端子所以這個可能要經過跨部會這些產官 學者剛剛我們處長講 還要再做驗證就要check一下 因為這700多太多了我樂見啦 因為我是前年主辦終於在今年我看到你們業報有這個內容了 |
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5727.745 |
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那我不下時間啦 我期待可以快一點因為你到明年1月 今年退伍的人能快我們盡量會快就是說隨時都會有人退伍嘛然後這個主席站起來 我最後給他看個表格看一個 我常常說我們退伍會持股比例跟我們輔導官兵就業最起碼數據要相當我盯了大概四五年了大概從邱國正當退伍會主委到現在很多年了 |
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5729.141 |
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5745.355 |
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到目前為止如果你去看我前幾年提供的表格有 有改善退幅會做得不錯確實數據有提升但我一直很納悶耶新章天然氣是哪是哪根筋有問題為什麼就只有它不配合就是說你看喔我們本來一片都紅字喔我們持股26% |
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5746.656 |
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5772.654 |
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安置率呢以前都低於這個%數就是說我們的持股比例跟安置比例以前都有落差都紅字經過我們這幾年我每次質詢都盯這個事情我持股比例跟我安置就業比例最起碼相當嘛因為退輔會存在的最重要的功能就是幫助國軍退出於官兵能夠就業而且官兵位置不論官大官小我們都要幫他從基層到將領 |
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那經過這幾年努力我看起來不錯從新南到新平大概數據都是正的只有新章天然氣公司它的安置率竟然不足13%然後我們再看我們會派的會見的董事長會見的總經理有的有會派的有的沒有會派的那我們如果看一下 |
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新章的話 我這邊沒有新章的新章好像沒有會派的我們持股高達三成多在一般民間企業持股這麼高其實都可以控制董事會了那為什麼新章的安置率這麼低能不能告訴我答案 |
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那委員 新章從109他只有10%現在已經進步到20%就是在委員的資助10%也太低了我們34%持股耶然後那個主委你看一下會見董事長跟會見總經理洪志也是只有新章 |
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五位我們退府會持股就算很低的薪高21%好歹還總經理是我們派的就新章我們有34%董事長不是我們派的總經理不是我們派的然後我們推薦的退俗衣官兵就業率又遠低於我們持股比率為什麼全部只有新章我就公開點名就只有新章他們的民間持股是誰 |
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他流動率比較低人員流動率比較低所以這個牽涉到安置根據統計不會只有新章很特別那我們也知道以前歷史的因素相對持股的民間持股多數都是地方的政治人物新章到底對照是誰 |
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委員好 這個新章是我們新雄 新南 新章這三家都是租家的那為什麼租家在新章這麼難配合因為他們持股超過百分之五十 將近百分之六十租家的持股超過百分之六十你說新高新南 安置也不錯啊我們有會見總經理啊 為什麼獨獨新章三無安置比率低 |
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吳慧健董事長吳慧健總經理其實我們一直在努力朱家很能溝通朱家的新熊他已經開放給我們了那我們還要努力包含新南新章都要努力新章在中部新章在中部地區所以為了這個我們特別請我們副副主委 |
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到他公司擔任董事從去年開始去年底就這樣講是我們這個副主委這個辦事不力不是不是他去要求他你剛才一講我就覺得是他辦事不力他當個董事什麼都沒完成啊三個都沒有啊這樣副主委好幾年不在因為他不在我們兩個可以好好檢討他沒關係不是這樣子他因為副主委去努力我們也把這樣好不好時間關係這個 |
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這幾年確實有進步真的那個這個原主委可以去調我前幾年提供的數據以前是一片紅字啊現在只剩新章再努力一下好不好安置比例跟持服比例至少相當那最起碼要有個會見總經理我們可以訓練管理人才從高階將領到基層的官司兵都有個就業機會好不好新章我下次還會再檢討那我們也透過今天 |
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國會頻道新章也聽進去安置我們退除役官兵尤其中部的官兵我覺得做得到盡力去做了好不好謝謝主委我們再努力謝謝委員指導謝謝王定宇委員接下來請王安祥委員謝謝主席有請主委有請主委 |
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王委員好主委長剛剛看到王委員在講有關於轉嫌因為我看到輔導會的報告裡面其實跟我們在勞動方面的一些尤其是一些轉嫌其實有非常大的關係我想有空我大概跟大家就教一下 |
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因為在我們這個專業裡面其實跟王委員剛剛講的一樣第一就是我們其實有一些職能的分析啦也許可以協助輔導會在這個轉弦上會有一些更好的一個促進的結果那我看到這個在報告裡面不管是這個就學輔導還是就業媒合上其實都我覺得都還不錯啦這個不管是人次啦或人啦這個基本上都還不錯那我想那個有一個居民專長的轉弦嘛那現在也有做一些平台啦 |
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因為最近我發現一個狀況就是好像大家年輕人包括我們那些學生去報考公職的狀況好像意願比較低一點點我想福壯會這邊有沒有因為這樣多去推薦一些退輔的人員能夠轉入公職的部分 |
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我們每一年有這些特考進來的公職人員轉進來我們都有名額空給他們對所以考卷部那邊他2016、2032他其實都做了一些這個調整而且科目有減少那我們這個我辦公室去做了一下這個我們去考卷部查了一下就是這個人數我們發現這個人數好像報考人數有逐漸下降的狀況不曉得這個狀況不曉得部長會這邊有沒有講過 |
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還是我們查到的資料是不是正確?這是特考的部分所以這個部分人數好像越來越少對不對不曉得有沒有什麼輔導的機制可以讓他們考去報考這個所謂特考的人數這個輔導在國安部就有做 |
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國安部他只要報名 國安部有一個機制就是利用時間來給他們考試 科目讀取輔導這幾年考試入局率還是蠻高的那這個人數也有可能跟退伍人數有關係退伍人數少 他報考自然就會少 |
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對 因為好像前一陣子有報導媒體有報導那個南投之光我不曉得主委知不知道這個事情就是他們好像有輔導一些質押的轉嫌然後可以考一些什麼像什麼監所的人員我覺得這是很好啦那是不是這個委員這邊可以 主委這邊可以針對這個部分可以提供這個所謂我們的這個退役的這些軍職的人員可以多一點這樣的機會 |
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委員好 我是就學監事處處長池玉蘭跟您報告其實我們很鼓勵我們的退出一官兵能夠轉任公職所以我們在公職的輔導上面我們都有給他那個國營事業或者公職的一個就業輔導 |
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他一生有五萬塊的一個輔導的經歷你去補習買參考書等等你只要去考公職我們都會給他補助那另外有關於我們還有一個退暑衣特考退暑衣每兩年有一次退暑衣特考其實我們都鼓勵我們的很多的場合活動場合我們都鼓勵我們的退暑衣官兵能夠轉到我們的這個這個公職的路上我想因為軍事人員很多其實都蠻優秀的啦而且這幾年我發現這個公職人員辦好都是一直在下降 |
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其實那個就是那邊的問題啦我也會去關鍵不過也希望啦一些我想非常優秀的軍人能夠繼續留在這個公職啦能夠繼續幫協助國家做一些協助那另外就是有關於另外一個問題啦就是有關於這個比較這個屬於這個基金的部分啦那可以看到我們那個他的那個收入的部分啦有一些受證的收入那受證收入的部分啦其實我們有看到好像逐年有減少的狀況啦 |
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就授政的部分我不曉得這個針對這個授政的部分這個有沒有什麼因應可以增加這個授政的收入的部分提供提高一些所謂的捐贈收入的部分 |
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這個我們在榮民榮建基金會一直在注意這件事情因為這個對榮民榮建的照顧也跟我們服務照顧處跟榮副處有關係我們希望能夠充分運用地方社會的這些資源擴展一些這些外面的捐贈因為我看到好像我們有編了一些推廣 |
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媒體政策或是業務宣導的一些費用,都編了大概四百萬左右我想這樣的成效,不曉得有沒有什麼具體的成效 |
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委員好,我是榮民榮業基金會秘書長跟委員報告,有關於榮民遺症部分其實我們在我們的董事會裡面也有提出就是說希望把我們相關的宣導製成圖卡在今年部分我們會到各榮家去做相關的活動也會把這些訊息提供給我們所有的榮家讓這些榮民在百年之後如果可以就把相關的這些遺症給我們基金會讓我們做妥善的運用,所以可以做善的循環 |
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所以我們今年再積極地做這件事情好 OK OK因為我看到真的是有逐漸減少的一個趨勢啦也請這個主委這邊特別關注這個事情另外就是我看到你們的這個財務的報表的部分啦發現你們這個資息的部分很多其實都是存在定存裡面啦都是定存的資息的部分我想這個可能跟那個組織的章程可能有關係啦不過這幾年因為我想這個現在社會都很動盪嘛很多都這個 |
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這個不管是股市啦其實都不是很穩定啦也許啦也許這個定存是一個不錯的方法不過呢因為通膨最近實在蠻嚴重的我想針對這個部分有沒有可能做一些調整讓這個定存的不再是這麼高的比例大概90幾%都是從定存的部分 |
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各位我們基金會面的這個大概定存的金額大概是23億多那我們都選擇了這個利率比較高的包含這個地方的銀行還有郵局我們現在存放的地方大概六家的這些公庫銀行大概平均利率大概一年是1.7%所以比其他的郵局比其他的銀行都要來得高那我們也投資我們會裡面所屬事業單位的股票那年度面獲利的狀況也都超過2%所以基本上獲利是很穩定的 |
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是 是 因為最近這個其實金融不是非常穩定本期也希望這個輔導會這邊還是密切觀察這個機器的一個狀況好 感謝謝謝 謝委員謝謝 王安祥委員接下來我們要請林柱昀委員上台諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 主席有請嚴主委我們請主委林委員好主委好今天我要質詢的一個議題是比較嚴肅的雖然我們都知道在退輔會的部分很多的題目當然都是著重一種服務的部分但是在服務的部分裡頭呢有一個就是跟公車有關 |
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那麼過去我其實在委員會當中不只一次的質詢有關於經濟部或國安局就是我們的公車系統裡面如果有中國製造的話那麼會非常危險它形同是一台這個中國放在台灣內部的不論是真房車、間諜車等等那麼現在我要您看一下這是我們在我們新興跟大南客運當中的環景系統所以環景系統就是公車在路上跑但是 |
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它為了安全起見所以它會拍攝到許多的路人車子跟街景而現在呢 居然被抓到的是我們的公車系統當中用的是海思晶片海思晶片 海思半導體它是什麼樣的一個 |
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民營企業呢是中國中華人民共和國廣東省深郡市言下之意他就是華為底下的公司而新興跟大南客運所使用的中國海思晶片晶片就在台灣我們雙北地區的公車跑來跑去這是一個非常嚴重的國安問題而且我現在 |
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給的這張畫面是提供給我的人所拍攝時機在公車上面直擊下來的他甚至於企圖去塗抹把這個海思晶片的Logo把它去除掉 |
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我在4月7號所資的時候當時第一時間新興跟大南所說的這些公車品牌都講到了它的環境系統產地有台灣有荷蘭但是經過我提供了這個照片之後4月8號所更正的資料裡面發現確實沒錯新興客運它的公車廠牌是創意 |
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系統商是誠意而他使用的晶片是製造地中國大南客運同樣有這一間公車的廠牌跟他的系統商他所用的環景系統依舊是中國我第一時間要求提供採購時間為什麼因為我在想會不會是多年以前的合約所以以至於誤用了所謂的中國製造的晶片但是我發現採購時間竟然是 |
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最接近的114年言下之意就是2025年也就是去年所以這整體的事件我要請 |
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主委好好的來調查跟了解而目前對於這樣的一個廠商因為我們都知道在我們的這個切結書當中都有特別提到的就是嚴禁中國製造結果就這麼巧是一個拍攝台灣台北市雙北街景的環境系統裡面竟然就用了中國製造的晶片 |
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所以說對於這樣的一個完全把切結書視為無物的廠商或者是系統商請問一下主委我們應該要如何來處置跟處理 |
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現在委員提供這個資訊我們也認為這個非常嚴重不能用中國大陸的這個製品是不可以的我們查目前這兩家公司的電動公車這個環境系統它是按照當初是按照政府採購法公告來採購也是交通部審驗合格的廠牌跟車型但是合約規範裡面就已經規範不可以使用中國的一些產製品這在合約規範裡面有的而且交通部當初也叫廠商做切結都已經完成這些程序了 |
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而且目前我们查到的确是有这两家公司有违规的这个违反违反契约的这个中国制的一个产品我们现在的做法就是我们呃成立一个专业小组啊要去做全面的普查看这公司里面到底还有哪些 |
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晶片是屬於這個公司的所有的全面做一個普查這是第一個第二個當然就是要提出球場向廠商追廠按照契約並且要更換這些所有的產品那目前跟委員做以上的報告 |
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因為根據我現在手上的資料就是這兩家客運公司在雙北地區營運加起來是有700輛也就是新興有474輛而大南有259輛但是不全部都是這兩家廠商所以目前為止這一家廠商所以我要詢問的就是創意的公車品牌裡面的系統上使用的誠意的這個部分有幾輛 |
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星星有幾亮 大南有幾亮現在有數字嗎 還是還在清查當中因為如果根據合約的話所以我要知道的是到底還有多少個這個MIC 就中國製造的晶片正在每天喔 在陸上 在雙北的 |
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公車路線上不斷的在拍攝因為我們都知道海思過去一直有個狀況就是他會回傳這個所謂後門的系統包括之前也有說這個海思的晶片會把家裡面的狀況是回傳到中國去那麼我們從去年114年這個合約簽訂之後到底已經跑了多少趟多少的公車這個其實是更要注意的 |
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兩家公司的電動車總共兩家是244輛新興是175大蘭是69那現在出問題這個誠意公司的新興是61輛大蘭是21輛所以總共有問題的是82輛好 |
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那麼這82輛有多少時間去做調度比如說他們是不是即刻起不能上路然後要花多少時間讓他們更換回來不是中國系統的晶片這個有沒有一個工作期程跟時間點我們已經請兩家公司要按照這個重大事件的處理馬上就開始啟動已經在處理處理的時間大概是要多少我再跟委員做個回覆 |
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好對於這樣的系統商我希望能夠列入黑名單那麼當然黑名單的部分也跟經濟部有關所以這個部分我也會去跟經濟部跟交通部來做進一步的質詢因為對於你們來講他們一定是給你們就像剛主委您說的是給了一個 |
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可以來做採購的安全的名單嗎那這個部分我希望你們也回報給經濟部讓他們知道那我也會同樣帶著這份資料去相關的部門做質詢好不好我們一定交通部反映了好所以大家一起來做好OK謝謝委員謝謝謝謝林楚英委員接下來我們邀請王逸川委員 |
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好 謝謝導委 我們請主委我們請主委王委員好好 謝謝主委首先要很感謝我們各地的榮民醫院到服務鄉親都做得很好因為你們做得很好 所以立法委員經常會接到電話 |
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說鄉親在急診室看上面有沒有病床可以上去這一個部分我想這個量能的關係鄉親認為好的醫院都遇到這個問題 |
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那我也看到台中榮總有新的大樓在興建是不是請台中榮總的院長報告一下目前這些新的建物到台中去看有一些土木工程也都在蓋現在目前的進度是如何 |
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好 謝謝委員的詢問那目前我們在蓋第三醫療大樓那為了因應我們中部地區高齡化所以我們會跟衛福部申請台中榮總長期分院那目前預計是118年3月完工目前進度超前渴望可能這一兩年就會提早完工這是一點那第二個案子就是為了照顧我們的護理醫事人員 |
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今年會預計動工是一個醫護宿舍可以提供我們大概單人套房提供給護理師一個月的租金預計是1500塊而已然後再來就是為了因應我們現在有個子子治療中心那目前硬體已經在這個月會完工那預計大概六月會開幕那我請問一下 |
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如果你們那裡的這個收入啊是就是整體的收入比較高的時候你會加薪水嗎有我們一直在幫你啦你我自己喔我自己目前應該是我們會有個規定的上限所以大概我個人是不會啦那我是說會不會因為要收就是說收益比較多所以裡面的這一個管理階層就會加薪水有沒有這件事 |
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目前我們沒有這個制度中榮的制度管理階層應該是比較固定我要提這個問題是主委我們這些包括榮總 榮民醫院各地的這個農場那這些應該思考的是 |
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不是要賺錢啦 一方面照顧我們這些榮民、榮眷那有一些是重新的就業 二方面也是照顧鄉親跟國人所以我最近有看到報告在檢討什麼榮民醫院、榮總什麼收集、表現怎麼樣 |
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我是覺得,我們算是退伍會的便宜,不必想那麼多不必想說這會賺不賺,這比較沒意思第二個,我們這個退伍會有一個單位去承攬了空勤總隊跟總統專機的機棚請問目前這個案子的進度如何? |
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根據委員報告,我們主要執行的是泛亞工程公司 |
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那這個案子它總共分成ABCD再有四個工程四個工程裡面A、C、D這三個工程案目前進入的超前進入的超前的這是一個整體的一個總包案那問題出在這個B棟這個B棟那B棟主要是我們工程公司覺得這裡面的設計有問題這問題就是安全的問題如果照原來的設計規範這樣走下去的話 |
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會有問題所以現在停工停工然後現在是向工程會來申訴他們是希望解約工程公司希望能夠解約工程公司希望因為對方沒有要修改設計那前面如果重來的話要修設計要delay多久 |
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那工程公司說如果你把設計修完了之後是安全無慮狀況下他可以接受他現在目前看這個設計的狀況他是可以說如期完工如果要修這個設計但你不修設計那你沒辦法做設計圖啊所以我知道那就是說如果現在去修了那個設計設計圖他們就可以如期完工如期解約如期完工關鍵就是要修設計圖 |
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那所以要不要修設計現在工程會在處理中他們現在已經申訴到工程會這工程會在協助工程會在處理就是說他們最後會按照雙方的狀況是那工程會也開過第一次的會議了那工程會也認為這個設計圖是有問題的所以現在就是工程會在處理那如果解了約重新做了設計 |
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按照目前的進度看起來它是可以如期完工可以如期完工因為這四個ABCD ACD都是超前的OK 好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王逸川委員王委員等一下再麻煩感謝 謝謝接下來我們邀請劉許廷委員謝謝主席 菸主委有請 |
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劉委員好主委你好這個我們退伏會的服務對象是為了這些國家犧牲青春保衛家園的退役官兵那我想他們的待遇跟照顧品質是很重要的是我們對軍人服役價值的承諾之一所以今天跟這個主委針對業務報告一些內容做一下討論希望可以這個加強政策的品質第一個要討論的一下是榮家的環境因為現在這個 |
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優化農家醫養環境現在講說各農家的總床位數在8800多床占床數大概是7100那在占床比是80%表示說這個使用率其實算相對高那麼使用率高的時候它其實代表一件事就是說退輔會要提供服務量能當然它就很吃緊那 |
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本期有了解到,這個退府會今年1月1號起,其實奉行政院核定這個針對人力,護理人力的部分,從委外改成約用,就禁用那合佩,核定是338人,那合佩現在要用的是318位的護理人員 |
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那很重要啊現在既然佔床率蠻高的我們要知道說你這個制度做修正之後這些護理人員有沒有準時如實的到位以確保容家的服務品質所以請問主委我們現在從委外轉為約用或者是在過渡等等現在護理人員318名合配的護理人員目前通通到位了嗎實際到位多少人招募的進度怎麼樣 |
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包圍378那個是總數的編制就百分之一百你通通到位的話佔項列都滿的話要那麼多人但我們現在是佔項列百分之八成所以現在的人力318是足以夠了是可以滿足需求318已經全部到位了是可以到位了到位了現在喔這個他們到位的時間多長 |
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到位今年1月1號就1月1號啟用開始就到位啟用開始就到位有沒有人離職 |
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有啊 好 這就本席想問的因為其實大家都知道嘛這個當然不是純然是退輔會的責任但因為護理師在台灣是有名的血汗這個工作之一啊那這個人員的穩定性這也常常被大家來討論那既然它牽涉這個容價的服務品質所以我也想了解一下現在它提供的待遇等等環境足不足以讓它穩定的長久留任所以現在從一月到四月雖然時間還不是很長但是大概三 我剛好就想問這三個月你留任率是多少 |
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多少人留下來 哪些人離開 有沒有這樣的問題跟狀況這個制度調整他大概多 薪資可以調高四千多塊當然可能有些交通因素或其他的考量會有一些離職的所以現在大概的留任率是多少98以上所以現在離職的比較還可以歸 可能是個案或個人生涯規劃好這件事我們要長期來做追蹤 |
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但我就這邊做一下提醒就是說第一量能要能夠維持第二這些人的待遇我們要盡量給他維持這樣才能維護農家的這個品質這是第一個題目那第二個這個現在喔 |
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關心完榮嘉就換比較大的榮民醫院因為這台北榮總桃分院啊這剛好就在這個本席的選區啊那本席的選區裡面這個也知道就同樣是護理師的就業環境的問題這護理人力其實十分吃緊護病比現在全市是9.3看起來數字是合理但其實大家都知道這樣的數字當然有填報等等跟實際上可能會有落差但這不是本席今天要關心的事情我希望的還是改善他們的工作環境這本席了解到啊這個 |
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現在台北榮總陶芬院約聘的護理人員或是相關的護理人員他們能不能申請榮院的職工宿舍你們知道這個事嗎榮院是有一定的宿舍給工作的人去使用的 |
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報告委員那北榮總院的部分呢不管公職跟契約都可以申請我們的宿舍那分院的部分我不知道他們的量能現在怎麼樣我回去會問一下我們的院長那這個事情如果足夠的量能應該要開放這是合理 |
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好 這就是本席今天要提醒的因為就本席的私底下的明察暗訪啦他現在的狀況大概是說比如說護理長啊 或者是醫師他當然優先 這我們要理解工作繁重但我要提醒的是說 實務上就護理長也好 或者是醫生等等經濟條件 工作的時間也都相對的長在附近可能都有比較好的環境所以他不見得會去使用這樣子的一個這個這個容院的宿舍造成啦 這容院宿舍有閒置的狀況 |
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那我想今天如果不是閒置那還沒話講大家要排一下順序但既然有閒置他應該思考一下這個做充分的利用所以我要幫這些基層的約聘等等護理師請請命吧有很多人出來乍到不見得在附近有地方可以安身有些人因為輪班這體力消耗其實非常非常的大如果就近在這樣的一個宿舍有休息的地方或者是有穩定的居住環境我想這是除了薪資待遇之外工作環境的改善應該有助於啊 |
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讓台北榮總桃分院的護理師不管是留任也好 願意加入也好等等的誘因跟意願是做提升的所以本期花一點點時間跟這位做一下提醒剛剛已經正式承諾 本期非常高興這退伍會非常有效率我們趕快做盤點如果他有餘裕 有空間我們就來安排配套的措施讓我們這個護理師也可以來使用這個榮院的宿舍 可以嗎 主委謝謝委員指導 我們回去做檢討 |
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OK 好 那個多少時間內可以給個明確的答案因為我們這總要幫基層請請命吧 |
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一個月一個月 OK 好 這希望盡快來達成可以提前就提前再來這剛剛其他委員會有質詢過啦這個有關於這個退出域官兵的這個就業媒合的部分那現在開了一個專案也要成立一個平台現在你們四月已經做完了這個專長的對照表嘛我為了媒合要做專長的對照表但你的平台看起來是明年才會上線那剛剛其他委員問你講我現在在做跨部會整合但我們真的要關心的是現在這些人七百多項 |
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職業對照已經做完之後可能很多人已經在等媒合啦你這八個月從現在到明年一月這個空窗期你的實際作為是什麼 |
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高委員報告其實我們現在在各容負處第一線的就業媒合我們都已經會把它在軍中的相關的一個專長會加以考慮然後幫他推介那現在更有明確的一個初步的初稿方向出來以後我們已經其實有可以去請我們的容負處的第一線人員就可以做參考 |
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但是因為他還沒有完成最後的一個驗證的一個到最後結論所以我們本來就有做這樣的事情現在還是需要等到四月底更完整的一個結果出來以後我們會請個人付出就可以加以運用所以四月底開始你就可以還是可以進行我的意思只是提醒說你不要等到平台成立好才開始做媒合這樣就中間空掉了嘛 |
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平台是因為方便大家透過電腦一鍵按下去就可以看到但實際上你在這段時間還沒有見到我們可以把那個驗證完畢很嚴謹的一個結果出稿可以先給我們融服處去做一個參考運用先做參考運用就可以開始進行後面的媒合作業了嘛對不對所以四月底開始可以做這件事四月底之後 好 謝謝 |
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我不知道 跟退府會第一次質詢還蠻愉快的因為回答都非常的清楚 而且也有明確的時間表我們就希望這可以照章執行 來完善各項的政策好不好好 辛苦主委了 謝謝好 謝謝牛起庭委員 現在我們請陳冠廷委員 |
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你好 我們請主委教練好 主委好 |
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所以我們現在退補會所有的轉投資的事業裡面我看到跟能源的項目比較多不管是天然氣等等的有沒有比較偏向這個國防先端科技外面的這種事業比方說是無人載具比方說是國防科技比方說是航太產業這個部分有沒有這樣相關的業務有沒有投資到這些公司的是指國防工業這一塊對投資事業我們都 |
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我是事業部處長跟委員報告,我們目前22家轉投資公司,最主要是以傳統的事業為主,沒有這類的投資事業我自己看,包含美國許多的退役的,不管是將領也好,軍官也好,士官也好,士兵也好 |
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他們參與很多國防產業他們退役之後有些是創新產業新創產業那有些直接是讓他們的這個人才庫可以有效的去運用那美國政府他自己有透過退伍軍人的創業跟中小企業的機制支持這種退役人就是退役的軍人的這種商務工作進入這個國防的產業鏈裡面法國的方向也是一樣法國國防部有一個 |
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Defense Mobility我不太會講法文所以專門協助反正就是跟這個協助軍職人員轉職到民間產業那所以他們不是找工作他們是把人才導入企業我想不是找我們直接投資的公司而是說這些人怎麼樣可以直接軍轉民但這個民又在這個國防產業裡面是一個活水所以他們這樣子等於是代代都可以做最好的人才的運用那 |
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除了這個之外他們還有國防創新局國防創新局有點像是我們的DIO那就是由國防部跟這些推動的支持戰略性國防的新創產業或者是他們的新案 |
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那我們回到台灣我們現在民雄有航太園區那也有產業園區那中央是定位為研發生產軍民兩用也就是說未來如果有這些一般的民間企業進駐就不是只是由軍直接軍軍人直接的進入著而是由一般的商業企業進駐的話會有100多家國內外企業進駐所以人才的需求是會更多 |
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那我們不希望說這些軍人們過去在這個他們自己的軍種的訓練他們過去的能力的培養就只是就放在那邊就沒有辦法再活用後來都要去這些能源相關的公司傳統產業這跟他們的所學跟他們這二三十年所培養的技能沒有直接關係那我會覺得非常可惜所以我是希望我們現在接下來可以思考說轉投資的方向 |
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未來我們的新創企業跟國防相關的企業絕對是會非常多就像美國一樣美國無人機產業無人機產業鏈或者是無人載具的產業鏈都是許多曾經在這個國防企業相關的然後轉來進駐進入這些公司來去繼續服務 |
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那甚至這些我看我最近在看那個美國的這個前印太司令阿基里諾退役之後也是參加這些產業公司所以怎麼樣可以讓他們的過去所學過去所培養的技術還是能夠投注在我國的國防還是能夠強化我的國防那我覺得這是非常重要的包含主委也是啊像主委你過去的這些軍旅的經驗 |
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不會可惜在這邊當然是很好但是如果未來甚至你從隊補會退休之後你的經驗還是可以繼續被運用不管是對戰略上面的規劃對你過去這些能力的這些規劃我都覺得是值得去思考的現在國防心臟產業非常多各種面向都有我真的很希望說這些軍人的朋友們他們能夠不是只是安置 |
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安置在這個企業裡面又如何每個月領薪水不是的他們的能力是可以被活用的那甚至是可以擴大我們整個國防產業這我覺得是非常重要的這部分是不是可以請主委思考一下謝謝委員的指導我想委員這個意見非常可貴尤其 |
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在國防服務的不管是官士兵他們這塊的專業領域是非常難得的那退了之後如何能夠再運用到我們的國防產企業或國防工業上面這個是非常重要就他的所長能夠繼續留用那我們剛剛委員指導的轉投資事業在這一塊我們有它的限制因素我們轉投資事業主要是安置基金那安置基金它主要是照顧退伍軍人的 |
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辅导他们的就业安置到我们的这个短途的公司事业单位22个单位里面这是这个安置基金那刚刚委员指导就看我觉得我们退伍可以做的第一个就是刚刚就业处的一个职训 |
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那他們下來之後依據他們的原來的專長我們透過執訓相關的專長的班隊比方無人機或者是AI或者相關的這些軍工所需要的人才我們透過執訓來培訓他們這是第一部分第二個就是我們跟這些軍工產企業了解之後去訪視了解之後我們把這些需要哪些專長我們可以把它納到我們的 |
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居民專長轉換系統的就現在要產生這個系統裡面如果更借階如果借階我想這是比較快然後他退下來之後馬上就可以就位好謝謝主委那我還是希望就是我們可以有創意一點就是創新一點的思考說可不可以就是不要在過去的框架裡面來去突破我們再研究好不好這個其實這個是行政權 |
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你們可以思考的方向我們只能提供建議我們在國會但是這是你們行政權範圍如果你敢創新就是可以創新的好不好剛才有提到借街我們再補充一下借街的部分福壽商農場福壽商農場的離稅離就是離子的離稅就是稻稅的稅離稅就是我們在我們嘉義很多我們有高街裡高街裡的話是要嫁街 |
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那嫁接的話才可以有出更好的品種比方說是有日本我們會從日本的新西縣啊秋田啊會進口梨穗那我為什麼要講到這件事情因為這補會的福壽山農場他們的梨樹品種非常的好那甚至是有梨王一棵樹可以嫁接三十幾種不同的品種那三十幾種不同的品種裡面有沒有考慮釋放出梨穗 |
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這個部分可能要主委或者是其他相關的官員因為我們都還要再去日本去進口離稅那有些時候這個價格啦或者是裝盤商等等的話那可能是會有一些挑戰那如果我們本國就有一個非常好的這個離網那這對我們的農業對我們嘉義的農業是很有幫助的 |
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委員跟委員報告我們在之前蘋果黃是嫁接了53種那現在蘋果黃吃下去是嫁接26種那梨樹的話是嫁接那個30幾種的品種沒錯那原則上我們的梨子都是現有的品種 |
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那如果說果農有需要的話我們可以提供少量的嫁接苗給他但是我們本身農場沒有在做那個農苗的那個就是樹苗的培育這樣子這部分我了解了 對但是如果你們有 主要是量啦就是最近這個從日本進口的這個中盤商的等等的這些問題所以我們一直在思考各種方式啦 對那你剛剛提到說嫁接有三十幾種不同的品種對不對 |
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那我們的轉投資的傳統產業只有22種我覺得也蠻可惜的就我拿一個比方啦思考一下國防產業的創新這個部分好 謝謝謝謝委員指導好 謝謝陳冠廷委員接下來我們請黃建斌委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們有請嚴主委黃委員好主委早安主委好 |
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所以那個退伏會是一個龐大的組織雖然說我們的組織是以照顧退出的官兵的權益為優先但是其實它很多工作是跟一般民眾息息相關像本席服務的選區台東縣那就有退伏會所屬的滿容家然後農民醫院、台東分院、台東農場還有資本分場這些機關可以說退伏會跟我們台東民眾的生活是很緊密的連在一起 |
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那第一個問題請他來跟主委討論就是關於醫療的問題就是有關我們台東地區這個血統身心治療的這些問題我們請那個也請我們院長 院長請到 |
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我們台中因為其實人口結構老化的關係所以高齡化人口比例比較高那這樣隔代接種的情況就比較多那也比較普遍那當學孩童發現他有注意力不集中然後學習遲緩甚至這個過動問題的時候他都是已經入學的時候才發現他也錯過了治療的黃金時期 |
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那我們台東的孩童在找找這一塊其實主要集中在台東基督教醫院還有馬介醫院來進行但這兩間醫院因為近期語言治療師他流動頻繁所以導致學童他需要等半年到一年的時間要等半年到一年的時間他才有辦法掛號 |
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他把掛到號讓這個語言治療師來治療那這樣會影響這些學童的這些語言發展的這個的能力那因此有些家長還有學校老師都跟本席來反映說其實他發現台東還有一間醫院其實也可以來做這些協助就是我們台東的農民醫院 |
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那當本席把這個問題反映給我們退輔會的時候退輔會很快在4月2號那也請我們台中的院長這個胡宗明院長來跟本席這邊來討論那我們來想說怎麼樣來解決這些問題那這邊本席對於退輔會處理事情的速度非常快非常感到很肯定那我們胡院長也在也發展他也發揮他精神專科的這個專長也回答了很多問題不過我們大概最後的結論就是 |
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礙於整個台東分院這個語言治療師跟這個臨床心理師的人力不足的問題所以他沒有辦法來改善所以這邊也要來跟主委跟院長這邊來請問就是說未來是不是可以增加人力然後讓台東分院有更多的量人來服務相親 |
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那我想這些主委這些學童他在黃金治療期如果他能夠充分獲得這個相關的醫療的資源我相信他未來就可以擁有正常這個成長的這個兒童生活那本期再次這邊要跟主委跟院長來請命是可以多派一些人力來支援台東分院讓學童可以獲得治療 |
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報告委員 請北農院長跟你回覆一下謝謝黃委員台東根據衛福部的估算大概一年需要早療服務的針對兒童遲緩的問題大概六百多人現在主要靠台東馬街跟台東基督教育院在承接因為我們台東醫院生的是規模不大只有一百多個員工早療的服務根據法規它要整個team |
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包括社公司、包括兒童心理、包括兒科、包括復健包括很多的個管師等才能做早療所以以現在人才招募困難 |
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那的確我們現在能擔的責任就是第一個幫忙轉介協助東馬協助我們的東雞幫馬病這種轉給他們那另外我們能做的現在有物理治療師跟職能治療師這個我們可以幫他做本來現在量能一個月40個人我們可以提高到100個人廣為宣傳至於說語言治療師的部分我們朝這個夢想來前進如果能收得到人這個錢我們會花的就是擔心招募以後 |
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台東分院也招不到人所以這個是人才非常的要招募非常的困難也希望委員能諒解但是我們會努力謝院長現在很正面的承諾盤錫覺得其實在整個榮民體系他全省有16間分院那加上我們其實軍系包括三總啦還有包括陽明醫院我們能夠產出的醫療人員其實非常多 |
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那其實我自己本席自己覺得台東榮民醫院其實還可以做更多事因為我們其實都常常忽略其實榮民醫院其實它我們印象中大家都是服務榮民其實它能夠參與的社區很多所以本席也會建議就是說除了增派人力這一塊以外也建議說榮民醫院可以跟我們台東縣政府的社會處還有教育處共同來合作建構整個台東這個幼兒早療的這個醫療網 |
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那如果有進一步需要來治療的學童可以藉由學校的系統或社區再轉介到我們北榮這邊 榮運醫院這邊來那來做更適合的治療那這部分我們一起來努力也再請推幅會跟榮運醫院這邊來多協助那第二個問題 謝謝院長第二個問題主要我要跟您討論就是關於職訓的問題 |
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那就是這個執訓就大概有關無人機的訓練齁我們台東的產業其實很單純就是主要以農業跟觀光為主那這幾年其實因為缺工的問題所以其實人力越來越稀缺那我們的農民其實這幾年其實開始在利用一些科技的東西像是紙保機來協助整個播種啊施肥或是施藥這樣的過程那這不僅可以節省時間也可以更擴大面積來種植齁 |
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那為了我們整個台東地區這個無人機的考照台東縣政府現在跟我們陸軍的太平營區來合作那利用軍方的場地來進行無人機的這個考場的考照那也滿足軍方的需求跟我們一般民間的這個市場的需求那本席辦公室有發現其實我們退輔會在花東地區也有開這樣的課程不過因為它的地點在花蓮是 |
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主委那個台東跟花蓮啦其實交通啊坐我車要三個小時以上啦其實這樣是不便啦那我想說也建議主委這邊是不是未來我們跟台東縣政府來合作說我們共同來合作做這個無人機的這個訓練那讓我們台東的退役的弟兄也可以就近訓練不用這樣子跑到花蓮 |
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謝謝委員跟委員報告目前花東地區我們都有開這個無人機的班那當然在台東地區我們只要需求量到達一定的程度我們就會開班那在這邊也跟委員報告其實我們勞動部因為政府都是一體的勞動部的那個在東部地區他也有無人機的班那我們只要是我們退伍軍有這個需求包括榮軍有需求他也可以去那個到分署去受訓他也提供蠻多的一個受訓的一個資源 |
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我們可以本會可以去調查需求然後到達一定需求我就開班以上謝謝處長因為距離真的很遠大家都認為台東花蓮很近其實都要開車三個小時以上那這部分如果能夠就近來提供這樣的考照訓練的場地我相信對我們這個對我的弟兄其實都是一個福音那這邊也謝謝推幅會 |
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最近我們這次也是本席第一次跟退福會來諮詢我覺得我們每次的提問都獲得很快的這些回覆讓我們一起來努力我想台東地區跟就像我一開始提到的台東地區跟退福會的關係非常密切那希望未來有些問題也希望退福會能來協助那謝謝主委 謝謝署長 謝謝主席謝謝委員謝謝黃建斌委員接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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謝謝好 除夕 站長委員先進列席的政府協商官員 會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請我們嚴主任委員還有就業就學的池處長和退休給付的羅處長請主委處長 |
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主委好 主委好很開心又跟您見到面我的題目就是負力累積轉業金助招募增保障無人機操作及保修專長就業媒合請看之前要請教主委現行的短期士官兵退伍的保障夠嗎我之前問過這個問題 |
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第二類的退伍服務應援兵因為他是願意滿四年以上 未滿十年他只能一次退休退伍金但是在我們退伍會輔導期間呢有包括急難救助 法律救治營 花費補助 職業訓練 就業津貼 進修補助你們覺得這個退跟輔應該是輔導的輔這樣的條件如果不夠會不會影響我們國軍的招募 |
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所以我們現在積極在強化這一塊 包含我們把現在的居民專長轉換銜接系統完成這個也都是有助於所有的那是指轉業的部分 轉職的部分 好 那我們現在看其實我來看一下我們政府的這個做法怎麼做你看如果勞工的話 勞退條例10條跟33條我們有一個什麼 提繳的退休金 雇主提撥的6% |
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那在退休的時候的運用呢他可以怎樣管理運用營運分配可以複利累積最近賺很多耶如果現在勞工人很開心那麼就算農民的話呢第七條跟第三條又怎麼樣農民可以對等提撥他提三千政府就幫他撥三千一樣他也是累積複利但是我們陸海空軍軍官士官服役條例二十三條只有二十年以下就是有個退伍金一次退伍金是慢慢累積複利的 |
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主委您對於這個福利的威力了解嗎當然我們是希望他的福利越多越好但是我跟委員報告這個陸海空軍順風服役條例主政機關是國防部我了解我只是在請教說您覺得從退伍的角度來講希望越多越好嗎當然支持好那我就告訴你其實呢我問過國防部我問過了今年初問過了副部長 |
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對於短期式外賓強化退伍後的協助因為他不是退休有轉業或創業的需求他說值得研究我也問了部長我說是複利來提升退伍的保障助他轉職跟創業他說我們來評估顯見國防部還算是有正面的去看待這樣的一個加強短期的退伍保障好 再往下看那麼請問您覺得下列何者對我們國軍的招募或加強短期式外賓的退伍保障有什麼幫助第一 |
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提高本俸 每個月多領現金還是我們增立一個轉職金每個月提撥 福利累積如果就您在過去的軍職生涯看到目前我們在招募的情況下已經輔導現在的退卒役的官兵你覺得哪一個比較有誘因 比較有幫助這個A可能會對於國防部來講會負擔比較重不是 我是說對那個招募的人招到你想要的人還有他的退伍之後的保障哪一種你比較有幫助 |
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招募的 對招募的對象來看 應該是B比較好 增略轉資金可能啦 我老實說啦 如果我是高中畢業 我希望A啦但是等到我30歲的時候 我希望有B啦 是不是這樣子你們面對的是18歲想要來志願的 還是面對30歲要退伍的你們的對象是什麼 |
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30歲要退伍的嘛 對不對所以你們要跟國防部跟他反應站在我們退伍費的立場來講我們輔導的 服務的這些退出役官兵來講他可能是30歲了他覺得轉職很重要但是現在官兵的一些聲音都說怎麼樣18歲 20歲這些年輕人我希望說服他改服志願役可能要多發現金比較好 這未必所以這一點呢 主委你們要發出你們的聲音就你們輔導退出役官兵他們的心聲 |
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他們當年怎麼進來現在退休了 退伍了 國家照顧他他希望得到什麼來強化 好 往下看來 我們今天的報告就是說退後的均值專長可以順利轉化很好 很重要但是能不能符合業界的需求而且有效的就業媒合呢我們看這個題目我已經談了好幾年了 |
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我首先在2021年我在這個委員會的質詢我也提到勞動部有證照對不對那麼退伍費呢這邊也有專長所以呢我們就把這樣的一個方式從從軍工作歷練累積專長考得證照符合就業市場是不是池處長是不是你們當時後來你們有採納嗎是 |
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結果明年一月要上路對不對是好很好主委給你肯定雖然時間比較花了久了一點往下看所以呢我們來往下看但是我們要請教一下無人機現在很夯啊現在的操作或保修專長有沒有轉到公部門有問過你嘛對不對在113年的6月13號我就跟你請教過具有無人機操作或保修專長列入退役官兵媒合的職缺你說會列入對不對結果呢跑出幾個專長 |
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三個來 是不是要請處長說明一下為什麼只有三個是 |
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謝謝委員持續的關心跟您報告其實我們這幾年真的因為因應市場的無人機跟保修保修是本來就這個很多市場的一個需求那無人機來講以現在您所垂詢的神耀科技其實這個民間企業的一個職缺我都是滾動式的一個修正現在看到雖然只有這一家只有三個職缺但是我們在這個訓後我們都在到班之前都會快要結訓之前我都會 |
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我來跟主委說明一下主委我在去年底 今年初就發起了一個無人機產業聯盟其實我跟很多無人機的供應商零部件的製造商或整機的開發商他們已經很清楚感受到未來市場的需求他們在招募人才可是比較招募的人才會專門寫出無人機修復工程書不太一樣我舉個例子您在服役的時候有沒有印象過那個寶傘的就是說折降落傘的 |
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這樣的人員大概都在哪裡?在我們部隊裡嘛那這樣的保修官兵,他退伍後會做什麼,你知道嗎?您可能不太了解,我跟你講,這是提供啦我問過這些無人機的業者老闆他說我們這個無人機需要細心,要耐心像那種會折降落傘不會出錯的,我們很歡迎你們有沒有聽到這樣的一個需求? |
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所以我的意思是說其實啊我們對於未來民間需求職種的專長開發要多一點去貼近現場這樣的話你們就不會說他開出的叫無人機修工程師現在這個老闆說我在屏東內埔要設廠啊我擔心找不到人耶可是我想找那個大學剛畢業的他們的定力不夠我希望那些比較沉穩的像那個折匠落產不會出錯的那個好用中委員能不能幫我介紹幾個我突然問題主委可不可以幫我介紹幾個 |
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我們可以再跟經濟部反映這個狀況所有的場案列出來我是建議你們齁除了已經明年一月要上路之後我們要改一個預先的一個建議你們可以做一個連結勞動部的就業服務資料庫因為勞動部有個就業服務資料庫我想你們的持續長不陌生而且你們去建立一個定期的工作對話平台你們可以更有效精準的掌握到民間企業的需求好不好這個方案一個月評估一下 |
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主委可以嗎我們在做跨部會的連續是好那這個可以請你們提個書面的告訴我們你們答案怎麼做嗎可以好謝謝主委謝謝主席謝謝鍾嘉斌委員這個無人機的應用真的非常重要那再麻煩主委這邊來協助接下來我們請翁曉琳委員 |
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主委好我想我今天來質詢您應該可以猜得出我是要問什麼問題了吧 |
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這個我們在去年6月27號國軍退出役官兵輔導條例就已經修正了然後新增訂27條之二要恢復辦理榮民子女就醫補助費而且是不分軍階的那麼這個是立法院三讀通過而且已經公佈的法律案那麼這不是行政命令也不是一個行政政策那其中就是希望要求 |
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這個退府會主管機關你們要制定相關的辦法可是呢到現在這個法律已經通過了將近一年了兩個學期都過去了榮民朋友們到現在反應說還是申請不到領不到補助沒有辦法依法申請領不到補助我想請問主委就是我也看到你們這個退府會在去年八月的時候就已經 |
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報了這個榮民支領什麼子女教育補助費的方案辦法就是你們已經制定預告了嘛也有這個草案然後已經呈報給行政院了那到底為什麼現在還沒有辦法正式公告 |
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那委員我們也很急因為這個案子我們從107年就希望爭取恢復每一年的恢復那今年在大院去年6月27號公佈之後我們按照條文的授權會從教育部完成了發給辦法按照所有的程序包含公告還有法規審議都完成了就送到行政院送行政院行政院是通知我們因為要考量到 |
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退休的軍人跟公教人員他的教務費的一個橫頻跨部會的一個協調現在在做審閱所以從去年8月20號到現在已經審了多少個月了行政院會有曾經討論過嗎我有跟人事長常常聯繫行政院人事長常常聯繫所以這是人事長的問題嗎人事長說這不是他們的問題啊 |
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那整個還在行政院的審閱當中我們在積極做協調不是 這個非常非常的荒謬就是我們一個簡單的辦法而且並不是說退府會沒有經費你們是沒有經費嗎 |
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應該是有嘛 對不對 我記得你們向來歷年也都有相關的預算編列可是竟然這麼重要的環節 然後就是卡在行政院搞不好就卡在卓榮泰的手上 他現在桌上不曉得押了多少公文對老百姓 對軍人 對軍公教有利的法案 他根本都不批這非常非常糟糕的 |
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我希望原主委您身為退府會的大家長應該要站在保護或是愛護我們榮民朋友的立場上面要再積極的去反映啊否則我們現在大家做的這麼多的事情做白宮全部都是看卓榮泰的臉色 |
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軍人加急我們這個立法院三讀通過的他也不發也不編列預算這存心就是在跟我們軍人朋友跟我們榮民朋友作對我是非常不滿這樣子的一個情況所以今天這個辦法草案還卡在行政院是吧我們在積極的協調爭取 |
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真的我真的認為說再不通過的話這個可能接下來也還不只是彈劾行政院長可能退府會都會有問題好那接下來我再問第二個問題這個也是我這個常常有聽到基層榮民朋友抱怨的一個議題 |
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就是說現在退府會將榮民分成第一類跟第二類這個分類本身沒有問題但是呢在第一類裡面又再細分為他是有職的榮民或是無職的榮民而且兩者的待遇差距非常大就以榮民就醫為例我看今天榮民就醫處的處長有來是不是 |
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針對無職榮民他就想有很多譬如說在退府會可以補助繳納健保費啦住院伙食費還有有補助然後病房費也可以差額免收部分醫療費用也有補助但是對於有職榮民的部分 |
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除了是在榮民醫院可以享有免掛號免收掛號費之外其餘的全部都回歸到健保體系他們還是要交健保費然後也沒有任何的榮民醫療的專屬補助所以在這裡想請教主委是您覺得這樣子的差別待遇公平嗎 |
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同样是对国家对我们的这个这个军队奉献20年以上的荣民朋友却因为退伍之后他有没有工作就所享受到的福利待遇然后差别很大这个会不会有这种反而是 |
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傳達一種所謂的反就業誘因最好就是這些早期退伍的朋友們退伍的榮民朋友們就不用再去工作了大家都在家裡面請問主委您贊同這樣子的一個現在的一個措施嗎我請我們就業處處長葉管跟您說明 |
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報告委員 我是就醫保健處處長劉俊正針對這個在就業的部分 有職榮民的部分因為涉及到全民健保法的規定所以不管是榮民或者是配偶他如果是在就業或就職的話就必須以健保的第一類來投保我們的保費也是按照這個薪資的級距來計算這是按照全民健保法的作業來辦理的 |
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那無職榮民的部分也是一樣按照全民健保法它是你有榮民證跟議事證或是榮民的遺卷的家戶代表證的話它是以健保的六類一幕來投表好 謝謝處長所以簡單來說就是這是涉及到全民健保法裡面的相關規定那你們有沒有曾經有反應過這個應該要去進行修法總站在保障榮民朋友的立場上面退府會是不是應該要提出修法 |
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或是你們至少要跟健保法的主管機關應該是衛福部吧去溝通啊 |
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包委員我們再想辦法來跟衛福部來做一個溝通把這樣的需求來轉遞給衛福部是本席認為說這個其實未來也會是一個可以鼓勵可以招募更多的年輕人加入我們國防這個軍隊那麼同時呢也可以對於我們現在對國家有功的榮民朋友們可以有更多的保障然後還有一個同樣類似的問題就是說現在榮民在政府機關公共體系服務他領的薪水是天花板的薪水也就是 |
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只有三萬八千一百三十元因為他可能繼續領他退伍金但是他在政府部門工作的話有第二個職業也就是他在就業卻只能領三萬八千一百三十元其實這也是顯不公平的事情這個部分是不是也可以一併檢討好嗎 |
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因為這真的是讓大家覺得同工不同酬即便是一個將軍退伍然後到公家機關去工作然後他也只能領三萬八千元這其實是很不合理的一件事情 |
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跟委員報告,我是退組局副處處長,有關於轉任到公部門,這是依照服役條例,這是主管機關那我們會把這個建議跟國防部反映,以上報告對,這個部分我覺得也很重要,希望你們能夠積極去爭取 |
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那最後我就是希望就是原主委是不是可以在一個月之內給本席一個全面盤點以及檢討現在有職榮民跟無職榮民的他的制度福利的差別然後以及相關的法規那麼同時對於剛剛我們講的有沒有可能未來再提高有關於榮民在公家機關服務薪資待遇這個部分請 |
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退府會一個月內給本席份報告好嗎對 你們如果說不方便推法案的話本席可以在這裡提案我的目的就是希望能夠保障維護我們所有軍人以及榮民朋友們的權益我回去再做檢討好 一個月可以吧好 OK 那就謝謝好 謝謝翁曉林委員接下來請賴世保委員質詢 |
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9739.214 |
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謝謝主席有請退伍會的顏主委我們請顏主委主委知道我們退伍會投資4月每年都有賺錢吧有22個4月單位這個其實 |
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中東打仗了現在老百姓苦哈哈的說要動漲油價中油動漲這個每一週大概20億貼20億還要增資等等的結果有一塊還是漲就是瓦斯家用的瓦斯也漲小吃店的瓦斯也漲 |
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結果我查了一下全國25家的天然氣公司裡面土耳其福島會直接持有二到四成股權佔16家而且間接投資星光無家的星駭瓦斯這個星就是星光的星另外一個那個星星像的星 星字號的很多啊所以真正的瓦斯界 |
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我想說 乖乖 這個我們的東西現在便當100塊錢幾乎吃不到了都100塊以上了 就這一塊沒有動漲就是瓦斯 凶手找到了 就是退伍了你們投資這麼多 你們的市佔率加起來你這些事業加起來 66%主委 我就問你一句話可不可以承諾 你也動漲我們沒有接到要漲價的通知這個不會漲 目前不會漲 |
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長啊 你們這個已經長了因為這個是經濟部人員署在主導不是不是不是 你們是老闆咧我們也是經濟部的董總是你指派的嘛經濟部好 你可不可以跟經濟部協調現在我們來看我們的統裝瓦斯 |
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都一桶都這個超過八百塊了家用的也漲小吃店的也漲三月初每一桶就漲了十幾塊到五十塊那你看看喔這幾家我送給你聽喔你們這個瓦斯啊這個新字號的天然瓦斯賺多少錢呢你知不知道賺多少錢 |
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我知道 每年大概賺十幾億不只十幾億啊 我跟你算了一下你們大概賺三十億到一百億之多平均報酬率十點五七 當然要很好報酬率多 北部報酬率十八趴 南部四趴 |
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一般的公用事業報酬率只有5到7、8所以退伍費投資這幾家都不賣勒我做生意勒所以你們有賺啊就少賺一點啊就只有你反應你們是董長你可不可以承諾董長報告委員要跟您報告 |
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所有公用瓦斯的售價我們各瓦斯公司都不能訂全部由能源署來訂所以我們不能去調整這個隨便去調整這個價值主委主委 我就問你一個政策上你可不可以跟經濟部長 工部長他在樓下有機會你跟他講一下我們現在都在你們手上嘛就是現在那個加油的動作呢什麼有動作 只有一個地方沒有動作 |
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我們會和護髮師協會跟經濟部反映這個問題 跟中油反映這個問題要這個啦 因為等一下我們中油吃便當 便當你再看一百塊又賣無 賣無啦 幾乎賣無啦就是跟護髮師很有關係 這個我插了一下退伍費角色很重要的 我不知道你們怎麼會經營這麼賺錢 |
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這個 這個 主委啊我看你的 你講個話咧法委員 我們這個是在安置基金在運用我知道啦 大部分給安置基金啦 給國庫不多啦我的意思是說 因為你會賺錢 所以少賺一點啦你跟經濟部講一下 當場可以嗎 可以嗎剛剛我們主委也講 會跟 透過法協會跟經濟部反映最後一個問題 小問題喔 |
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這個那個農民救養金的申請資格現在有人啊這個有農民啊比如說在他退以前啊他可能持有一張台積電的股票結果他的鼓勵這個儘管會鼓勵大家藏地持有啊結果因為這樣子結果沒有辦法領農民救養金一個月一萬五嘛對不對 |
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一萬五十個沒有,可不可以檢討單身或是沒有子女的農民入住農家政府的安置,重要是不一定是給錢,重要是安置他可不可以讓他住進來,可不可以檢討包委我是救養處處長,請報告我們領取救養金的農民大概有兩萬六千多人,那我每一年會去做驗證 |
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按照他每一年平均的總收入那總收入的一項裡面就有包含利息的收入所以我們針對榮民的這些總收入因為訂那個太苛了因為主席站出來不要花太多時間那個他是用低收入戶的標準在訂啦我覺得這一部分對榮民可以放寬一點啦 |
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排款條款我們回去再做檢討好不好沒有這是兩個一個是入住一個是領錢我現在關心的是入住因為這樣子取消入住對吧沒有取消了怎麼沒有 |
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我剛剛跟您報告的是救養金 那救養的資格條件 我們有相關的規則你們監討一下吧 因為那個你們資格是比照門檻 比照那個低收入 太低啦我就不要強調這個太低啦 我覺得對農民這樣子 太苛啦 好不好 謝謝謝謝賴市長 委員 接下來請馬文軒 趙偉 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請主委請主委 |
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主委好 主委好 主委我們在之前其實曾經針對國軍上校接領奉人員子女教育補助費的問題有詢問過主委目前執行的狀況那本期要再次的提醒退府會這個案子因為立法院在去年6月10號已經三讀通過 |
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已經增訂了27條之一授權退府會跟教育部共同訂定子女教育補助費的這個發起辦法那總統也在去年6月27日已經公布退府會也完成了這些相關草案法規的審核明訂114年8月1日施行在去年就應該要做的事情可是退府會在去年9月1日公報辦理情形行政院 |
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要求要抱怨審閱同意然後再會同教育部公告我想請教就是說從總統公布到現在已經快一年的時間行政院他審議也將近一年到現在目前的問題是什麼還不公布的原因到底是什麼 |
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報導委員 我一直跟行政院人事長保持聯繫主要就是軍人跟公教人員補助費能夠很平他們在做計算或者計劃在做作業一直在審查審閱當中 需要一點時間目前我所知道的資訊是這樣我一直跟他們保持聯繫 希望能夠盡快回補 |
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他們要錢的時候不是這樣子喔 那要錢都是需求恐急然後一天都不能等 可是如果要這個審議的過程當中因為這些榮民跑者子女 我們現在還是再一次提醒就是說我們在這個過程當中 我們覺得比較不合理的是沒有什麼橫品的這樣的考量 |
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我們現在是對於中校、少校階跟上校階這樣子的一個考量而不是跟其他的這些公務人員去做比較就這個部分我們看到如果像這樣子就讀私立大學可以先領教育部的17500元的補助費 |
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可是辦法公布以後要先繳回教育部的補助款再申請退輔會三萬五千八百元的補助費其實我們退輔會基本上補助是三萬五千八然後教育部是一萬七千五那現在退一上校跟中校平均月退縫其實它相差不多啊 |
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我們現在看到如果比較資深的依據退府會提供的資料啦如果是退役比較資深的這些關節比如說上校資深的大概7萬3左右 |
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中校大概五萬九 將近六萬那少校大概五萬一可是如果在比較之前的剛升沒多久就退其實他的月俸大概也是五萬多塊而已那今天你好不容易升到上校其實應該是他表現也很優異然後可以有這樣升遷的機會他才升到上校可是因為中校跟少校都可以有這樣的教育資女教育補助費可是反而上校就沒有 |
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那對他們來說如果他們同樣是退役軍人因為階級跟身份的差異一個可以領一萬多然後一個只領三萬多那這個是不是形同簡奉這樣是合理的嗎然後一直這樣拖是可以嗎 |
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因為他早期上校中校少校都可以領啊所以我們修了以後他才不能領那你現在一直而且法也都通過了這個等於是變相懲罰你在軍中多付出或者你表現更好的人那主委這樣子的一個看法或者我們還可以怎麼做 |
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的確正如昭偉說的這些資深的上校跟資淺的上校還有跟中校、上校比的確是有一些不公平那麼我們也把這些狀況有跟向上反映就是希望能夠盡早恢復那我想要請教一下現在 |
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他現在是在哪一個地方?在哪一個黨會?誰黨?為什麼黨?問題出在哪裡?是在哪裡?送到行政院是外法處現在在哪裡?外法處外交國防法務處外法處你放多久了?報告委員去年9月3號送到行政院一直到現在?是都在那裡?是沒有消息? |
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還在審閱中那請退補會針對行政院審議商校接領奉人員子女教育補助費的處理情形用書面來回覆本席好不好在後續因為我們可能看看哪一些人自己要錢的時候然後要得很兇可是對於應該給的然後已經修法通過的 |
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然後一直說要照顧軍人的卻遲遲不願意能拖就拖能推就推這個部分我們希望可以確切的找到他的問題點請用書面回覆本席 |
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另外我想要在這裡也要向退府會提出一個具體的建議我們在落實政府照顧國軍官兵政策的時候退府會針對就讀國中小的親韓榮民子女特別有律定相關的這個 |
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農民就學子女午餐補助發放作業要點那這個部分是針對中低收入戶或低收入戶特殊禁慾家庭或者經學校認定侵含無力支付午餐費的對象我們是提供例假日跟寒暑假的午餐補助 |
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而且我們每天補助新台幣80元等於說你在放假的時候然後或者例假日的時候或者寒暑假的時候我們只補助一天只補助一餐而且一餐只有80塊我們看到去年的資料其實我們總共補助的人數大概只有一千多人你既然是放假了 |
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然後他又是低收入戶中低收入戶又是清寒他可能沒有能力可能可以去做這樣子的一個我們補貼的用意大概是這樣希望我們在中小學的時候可以讓他這個子小孩子可以安心的成長可以比較有營養的可以去獲得這樣子的一個補助可是我們現在物價飛漲剛剛有委員提到連100塊我們都很難買到適當的 |
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便當那我們現在補助八十塊這是合理的嗎那如果人數不是那麼多我們甚至應該在例假日的時候我們全天候的補助我覺得這個部分才能夠落實照顧照顧到我們榮民所有的子女 |
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因為他們不是一般一般的啦你當然還是有條件嘛那你如果中低收入戶或者親韓的我們能不能做到這樣的照顧主委這個部分您怎麼看是謝謝召委關心我們對親韓農民教學子女的照顧我想這個每天新台幣80元我們現在已經在做檢討已經在做檢討 |
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我們明年的話我們預算大概是希望由80塊最少提高到100這是明年那我們會按照剛剛委員 召委所指導的我們看是不是再適度的再給它調高再增加好 主委我們剛剛有提到一個就是說它一餐你100塊其實也是補助一餐可是它明明一天它有三餐不管你要怎麼樣去做這樣的補助你說放假的時候它只吃一餐嗎或者你補助的那個 |
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他的那個額度我想其實還可以更人性化一點而且更真的可以落實他的照顧他第一人數不多預算也不高所以就這個部分去做一個整體的一個評估跟考量以後我們做一個妥適的一個調整好不好是可以我們再做檢討好謝謝主委謝謝 |
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好謝謝馬文君委員接下來我們請邱志偉委員邱志偉委員邱志偉委員不在鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員不在楊瓊瑛委員楊瓊瑛委員楊瓊瑛委員不在林倩琴委員林倩琴委員林倩琴委員不在洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員不在宜丹俊諮詢委員逐步在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本會議由徐曉欣委員邱志偉委員提書面諮詢請列入記錄並刊登公報 |
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委員書面及口頭諮詢未答部分或要求補充請對不諱兩中內已書面答覆委員有指定期限者從其鎖定本日會議到此結束散會 |