| IVOD_ID |
17336 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17336 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T08:35:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T12:17:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:42:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eac5bef6d628ca9291426c84939fdb53537a9d5466ed3f81408f57f30377518f575ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、交通部次長就「加速落實人本交通環境-檢討『永續提升人行安全計畫』執行現況、簡化審核行政流程及協助地方政府改善行人安全設施之精進作為」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:35:35 - 12:17:59 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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響鐘 |
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請主任祕書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員11人已足法定人數好那現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀第4次及第5次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期內政委員會第四次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百一十五年四月一日星期三上午九時至十時五十六分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員張宏祿委員等十三人列席委員洪孟凱委員等九人列席官員客家委員會主任委員古秀飛記相關人員財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長宋廷棟竟相關人員 |
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客家電視台台長向慎言主席李昭吉委員博弈報告事項宣讀第二次及第三次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況涵上會期零實體案辦理情形並被質詢客家委員會主任委員谷秀飛財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長宋庭棟報告委員張宏祿等11人質詢 |
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分由客家委員會主任委員古秀菲及相關人員財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長宋庭棟及客家電視台台長向慎妍答覆說明決定一登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束二委員蘇巧慧 邱振鈞 徐欣盈 丁學忠高晶素梅等五人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報另外李振秀女士提出書面 |
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行政機關可以不必答覆三書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會立法院第十一屆第五會期內政委員會第五次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百一十五年四月八日星期三上午九十二分至十一時五十九分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員張宏祿委員等十三人 |
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列席委員 洪孟凱委員等20人列席官員 內政部部長劉師芳暨相關人員中央選舉委員會選務處處長王曉玲法政處處長蔡京告 主席廖召集委員先降報告事項 宣讀上次會議議事錄決定暫不確定討論事項一 |
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审查公职人员选举罢免法修正草案等十二案二审查总统副总统选举罢免法修正草案等六案讨论事项和并询答委员林一锦陈金威张雅玲台湾民众党党团代表委员李贞秀委员林淑芬说明提案要职内政部部长刘世芳中央选举委员法政处处长蔡清告报告委员张志伦等十二人质询时由中央选举委员选务处处长王晓琳 |
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法政處處長蔡經告 內政部長劉思芳暨相關人員答覆說明委員李貞秀發言時 行政官員均不備詢登記發言委員除不在場者外 其餘均已發言完畢 詢答結束委員高津素梅 吳佩義 柯志恩所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢及未及答覆部分 請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會決議 討論事項所列議案均另定期繼續審查 宣讀完畢 |
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我們在場委員不足三人 那我們議事錄稍晚再確認那繼續進行本日議程報告事項請宣讀報告事項二 邀請內政部部長 國土管理署署長 交通部次長就加速落實人本交通環境檢討 永續提升人行安全計畫執行現況 簡化審核行政流程及協助地方政府改善行人安全設施資金競作為進行專題報告並備質詢 宣讀完畢 |
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好那剛剛因為那個人數問題,那我們現在再確認一下這個第四次及第五次會議議事錄有錯誤或遺漏?沒有那我們的那個議事錄確認?兩次那現在介紹這場委員及列席官員,那首先介紹我們李柏毅召委還有我們王美惠委員張志倫委員 |
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我們介紹這個列席官員我們內政部劉世芳部長國土管理署蔡長展署長也要我們國土署的蔡義強組長我們警政署交通組黃文哲組長我們交通部陳彥博次長陸正吉大恩斯廖正遠副司長 |
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1805.224 |
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綜合規劃司陳柏旭副司長公路局林聰立副局長好那接下來我們請內政部劉世芳部長報告 |
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主席各位委員各位女士大家早感謝各位委員對於人本交通政策的關心跟指導今天內政委員會召開會議針對加速落實人本交通環境檢討永續提升人行安全計畫的執行現況簡化審核流程及經濟協助地方作為內政部緊就整體推動情形二要報告如下內政部依照行政院核定的 |
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行人優先交通安全行動綱領以及行人交通安全政策綱領從2023到2027由國土管理署及交通部主責工程面向持續推動永續提升人行安全計畫並且同步檢討相關的法規制度 |
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1857.785 |
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1866.638 |
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大陸設計工程改善到制度建立整體性推進我國人行環境的安全提升那本計劃預計於113年到116年投入總共400億的經費本部為 |
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1873.788 |
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260億元交通部為140億元截至114年內政部已經核定了661案包含設計當中有216案施工當中有290案以及已經完成的155案 |
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1888.668 |
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1906.416 |
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累計補助的經費已經達117億7500萬元那115年度預算案編列37億6370萬元要接續辦理依照行政院長指示的799處行人依照式路口改善已經全數改善完成 |
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1907.116 |
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1930.144 |
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透過人行環境整體改善全國行人死亡事故在A1的數量從114年到112年已經減少6.8%內政部將與交通部持續推動行人安全改善工作在行政流程方面針對具有高度急迫性以及通過全民參與平台票選的案件已經建立簡化機制反屬於 |
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1931.064 |
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1952.267 |
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交通部以及內政部盤點的義照式路口改善及經由全民參與街道改善平台的民眾票選案件地方政府提案以後即可以由本部快速來核定減少審查程序的時間也使改善工程能夠盡速落實讓有限資源優先投入最需要的地點 |
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1953.484 |
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1967.643 |
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此外為了有效提升申請案件的品質透過補助地方政府成立人本與道路交通安全建設總顧問由專家學者顧問團協助審視提案計畫是否符合相關的法規 |
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1968.584 |
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1995.305 |
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的規範以及通用的設計理念也從地方政府的角度提出專業意見提升送審的案件品質來說短審查的流程為了讓行人環境更為進步內政部除了依大院所制定的行人交通安全設施條例並且責成各地方政府來完成訂定行人交通安全設施改善計畫以及道路新聘新P人行道分年分期建設計畫 |
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1996.406 |
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2016.021 |
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且被這部完成市區道路及附屬工程設計規範的修正將行人庇護島、標線型人行道、路口安全設計以及無障礙環境等重要元素納入規範提供地方政府明確而且一致的執行依據逐步來建立以人為本的道路設計標準 |
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2017.162 |
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2041.968 |
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整體而言內政部透過經費補助、制度建構、專業賠利以及督導機制等多元策略持續與地方政府協力推動人行環境改善逐步加速我國人本交通政策的落實內政部與交通部將持續精進各項推動作為務實打造安全、友善且無障礙的通行環境回應社會各界對於行人安全的期待 |
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2042.648 |
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2062.941 |
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最後,人本交通不僅關係行人安全,更攸關城市發展的品質與區域平衡因應去年大院修正通過的《財政收支劃分法》地方政府應在按照行政院114年12月30日所核定之各直轄市及縣市政府財力集賜 |
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2064.162 |
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2079.089 |
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編列配合款另外本計劃又於115年度中央政府總議算案尚未通過也會影響地方改善人行安全環境的執行情形也請大院能夠體恤進訴審議以上二要報告詳細內容請參考書面敬請各位委員指教謝謝我們請交通部陳彥博次長報告 |
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2097.49 |
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2119.776 |
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主席各位委員各位先進那今日應邀至各位委員會進行加速落實人本交通環境檢討永續提升人行安全計畫的執行現況簡化審核行政流程及協助地方政府改善行人安全設施的精進作為提出專案報告那僅此呢敬請各位委員 |
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2120.977 |
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2149.498 |
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來指教那首先就永續提升人行安全計畫執行的現況做說明那為了有效提升國內行人的入權並持續改善行人的一個環境行政院於112年核定了永續提升人行安全計畫在那個計畫裡面總共在113年到116年要投入經費400億元那其中內政部有260億元那交通部分配140億元來補助地方政府 |
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2150.138 |
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2167.544 |
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辦理路口的行人交通安全設施的改善人行道的改善校園周邊人行環境的改善行人及高齡友善示範區減少路側的道路障礙及無號制化路口的標誌標線的改善等並且由本部公路局 |
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2187.309 |
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負責都市計畫區內的金管的一個省道及都市計畫區外的公路系統那其餘的部分呢就是由內政部國土署來負責補助辦理那截至目前為止本部公路局在113年到115年的預算編列了大概21.1 |
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2210.169 |
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辦理轄管的省道人行環境的改善作業截至115年3月蔣補助的案件已經核定了94件的地方提案總經費是15.84億元中央補助款是13.08億元目前已完成了19件其餘的75件正在設計施工中 |
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2211.823 |
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2232.3 |
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那第三部分就簡化省和行政的流程方面做以下的說明本計劃原則是採地方提案中央審議合定補助地方執行的行政流程來辦理那地方政府依應規定提送計劃那送本部公務局各區養護分局來辦理出省 |
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2236.223 |
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然後曾報這個公路局審議通過後來核定補助並具以執行那本部公路局也定有永續提升人行的安全計畫申請補助須知其中在提出有關要提出計畫的時候所需重點的格式跟內容來以提升這個計畫的品質 |
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並減輕地方政府準備計畫的所需的一個負擔那另外就協助地方政府改善行人安全設施的一個精進作為方面我們做以下的說明為了改善行人友善的空間落實人本的道路的觀念本部積極滾動檢討相關的法令其中包括公路道路設計規範交通工程規範及道路標誌標線號誌設置規則 |
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內所牽涉到人本的議題的條文我們優先予以修正另外針對公路與市區道路貢獻的部分我們也是採行內政部的市區道路及附屬工程設計規範採一致的標準以保障用路人 |
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用路人安全的通行權利來落實人本的一個交通環境那另外本部運輸研究所公路局也是近幾年也持續研擬發布相關的例如校園周邊人行空間的改善參考指引道路交通標示標線設置 |
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規則的參考指引以及整體的道路規劃指引這些指引導入人本道路的設計思維提供第一線人員辦理相關改善的一個參考來加速友善道路環境的一個建置那最後結語那本部將持續以內任部 |
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積極推動各項的道路交通安全的政策強化行人保護及事故的一個防治作為那剛才內政部部長大概也說明了整體的一個計畫為了因應財務法的一個修正所以呢我們也會跟內政部一起 |
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希望地方政府因應行政院的相關的一個合訂的一個各縣市直轄市及縣市補助財化分級的方式來提出相關的一個配合款那另外也希望相關的預算能夠在本會期請貴院等進促的審查我們希望透過這個永續提升人人行的安全計畫來執行道路與交通設施的改善 |
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轉化過去以車為主的一個交通建設的思維積極建制以人為本的人行交通環境我們希望中央與地方大家共同朝向2030年整體道路交通事故與死亡人數能夠減半的國家目標來積極前進以上的報告敬請各位委員指教 謝謝 |
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現在進行詢答委員質詢前原理做幾點宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員5分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員5分鐘那第二點臨時提案截止提出時間為11點與本會委員詢答完畢後處理請問各位同仁有沒有意見沒有好那現在開始進行詢答第一位我們請張志倫委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 各位委員 各位官員大家早有請內政部劉思芳部長 國土署蔡署長以及交通部門城政次好 麻煩部長 署長政次 |
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好 謝謝謝謝羅博長今天討論的重點是有關於政府人本交通的政策這個政策是400億的經費總共我們的執行期間是民國113年到116年執行本席非常支持這樣子人本建設讓我們的人行道我們的交通可以更符合我們全台灣各個行人也是我們的 |
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大家的我們的鄉親讓他們在行的過程中更安全走路更平穩更平順那尤其有這個現在以人為本的交通環境是現代化城市發展的核心指標啊那可是依照 |
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行政院今年1月召開的中央道路交通安全匯報等等報告裡面顯示目前我們市區人行道的普及率還是4成左右所以目前還是有人與車爭道的危險的處境所以我覺得這部分我也是希望說大家共同來努力一起繼續來推行這樣的政策尤其這個匯報裡面的報告也顯示 |
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我們目前來講我們是希望說我們114年我們的目標是希望整體這個因為行人或者是開車的人的整體死亡的率可以下降10%行人的死亡率下降15%的階段目標那很可惜114年的這個達成的 |
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這個目標只有降幅3.1%所以這個我們也要繼續來去努力那這邊我想要蕭仁提一個點就是中央跟地方我們在努力在爭取經費以及建設完工了以後我們的完工率其實是非常的高的可是我們有時候把這個路段給改善了以後我們後續的維護是不是說中央跟地方我們一起來努力 |
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因為我們還是有看到違規車輛停在我們把新修好的人行道上或是商家把一些雜物隨意堆放早日行人最終還是沒有辦法走在這個人行道上等等這樣子的問題請問我們內政部長跟交通部的次長有沒有一些解決的方案 |
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報告委員你所提到的部分就是已經完成了這些小型的道路工程那按照地方制度法或是按照我們中央在這次專案上面的計畫的補助我們希望在完工之後那既然完工已經完成了那地方上面的話就應該在維修的日常支出裡面由地方政府來負責那這樣子比較好因為我們希望在這個大的計畫 |
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持續往外擴充就是說人行道路的安全還是持續補充我想這樣會比較好否則我們把經費把它挪到說是做維護的支出的話它其實能夠普及率就降低好 謝謝部長那我再後來繼續請交通部所以道路的維護跟後續的使用的狀況就是說也希望地方政府一起來努力不然中央政府如果要把這個錢再來使用的話可能經費不是那麼充足 |
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那我想要請教交通部的部分就是說交通部針對最近這個今年1月份單月死亡人數的波動這個特別有點名到新北說這個新北市把大家的努力都打翻了就是因為新北市這個死亡人數有增加31人比較高一點那本席要這邊要特別跟交通部報告本席是希望說第一個 |
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這個交通的整個狀況我希望是滾動式的檢討那所以我要特別跟您報告說其實新北市有非常認真在處理這個交通道路的一個問題所以它在二月份就已經把這個數字給它穩定下來了那主要的解決方式就是因為 |
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夜間的這個事故比例比較高所以我們有把這個夜間新北市有把夜間的號誌來去做整體的一個檢討所以現在已經有把整體的狀況把它給調整下來了所以這邊也要跟交通部給交通部回去可以再去檢討看看新北市有沒有有沒有把這個整個成效做得比較好可是本席在這邊也要拜託內政部跟交通部就是說在這400億的經費裡面其實我有看到 |
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一個我們現在的永續計畫的案件的執行情形我在看到這個數字的時候我覺得非常的震驚因為新北市既然你都覺得新北市的死亡的人數是最高的可是新北市我想請教這個次長或部長你知道新北市在這400億的補助金額裡面新北市現在拿到的整體金額是多少錢嗎 |
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好,可以,謝謝跟委員報告 |
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新北市的部分是32件5億5千萬所以你說新北市補助的金額才5億5千萬所以我要特別跟部長跟交通部次長報告的是400億的經費新北市拿到補助的金額才內政部才補助5億那交通部補助多少錢 |
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跟委員報告,因為新北市大概提出來的是一案 |
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是多少錢?補助金額多少錢?四千萬所以這個金額微乎其微所以本席在這邊嚴重的要拜託幫我們新北市民來請益我們的補助金額佔整體現在400億的補助金額我現在錢還沒花完現在金額只有1.25%所以我希望中央在罵地方說你們的這個改善的狀況不好的時候也要 |
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來看看補助的金額是不是我們地方政府送上去的改善的方案的金額中央希望說不要看這個顏色來補助新北市的補助金額我簡單講一下市吉沙市排名倒數第二全國排名超出10名排名第12名我們有400萬 |
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多的這個民眾每天在繁忙的這個道路上行走所以我們補助的金額才這個百分之到目前來講才百分之1.25喔所以我是不是請請次長跟部長是不是可以多多來協助來補助 |
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報告委員我們現在去查一下就是只要由地方政府申報上來那個可以通過的比例大概是七成以上那新北市政府他們在申請上來的件數確實比較少所以未來我們可以這個內政部跟交通部還會再跟新北市政府繼續溝通那另外一個我想委員非常清楚委員所這個服務的區域裡面的人口非常的複雜 |
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那通常你要通過一個案件的話 從里長 里幹事 或者是很多社區居民很多不同的意見 所以會有時間差那我們這個人行道路的這個整個計畫到117年那如果說委員可以幫忙在溝通地方居民上面的話呢 我們很歡迎提上來我覺得部長講得我非常認同 其實我在我的選區裡面我們有非常多的案子 |
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那每次送進的時候當然大家會有不同的意見我們都會討論那我們也希望說當我們意見整合起來的時候那希望說不管是內政部跟交通部大家可以多多來幫忙委員我可不可以稍微更正一下因為同仁剛才給我一個資料其實新北市的部分已經有三案了大概8,130 |
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35萬我們已經補助了剛才特別提到一案是應該是還在審議中的另外一個就是說而且很多的都是在這個因為新北市我們是負責都市計畫範圍外的所以相較的數量是有比較少 |
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那但是呢整體性來看因為整個這個計畫的提出可能是要由地方政府他基於他的這種交通的狀況他來提出的啦所以我們一定會大力來支持以上好那最後一個問題我想要請教國土署的署長 |
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好 署長好那本席一直常常在請教就是有關於這個屋頂強制裝光電板的問題那我簡單來問一下現在確定這個政策8月1號會強制所有的新建案這個只要超過建築面積超過100平方公尺以上都會強制來裝這屋頂光電板嗎對1000平方公尺以上有確定嗎確定 |
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那如果請教一下如果有一些案子如果沒有辦法裝的話如果他就沒辦法裝 強制不裝的話會不會有罰則還是你們準備不發給他建造這個部分如果他一規定要裝的話我們還是要求他裝如果沒有裝就不發建造但是還是要跟委員報告這裡面有一些對 未來會不會我們在單系會不會有土方之亂或者是現在有關電板屋頂關電板之亂未來很多的案子都會卡關我們現在已經在每個區域都有開說明會 |
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說明會的資料目前都沒有清楚到底我們北部的日照不足的問題如何解決我們公共安全的問題如何解決熱島問題以及管理問題未來管委會的責任以及法律問題的釐清到現在都沒有一個完整的回應所以本席在這邊實際的關係是不是會後趕快把你們開說明會的資料提供給我因為北部的日照就是不足你們現在開了說明會 |
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其實非常多的問題連說明會的資料都不願意提供給本席所以本席我在這邊還是要語重心量的講你現在你只是一直說8月1號要上路很多的配套完全現在是一片空白啊沒有 跟委員報告我們其實目前在說明會的當中有一些會診的那之前簡單提出說明會產生的問題是什麼對 譬如說日照的問題對 那你有沒有解決的方案能源署這邊他有一個認定的一個標準所以這個部分要去做認定 |
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所以你看你現在連認定標準都就是要跨部會協商都沒辦法講得出來有 我們已經在協商我們已經有在協商但是因為北中南這個部分所以8月1號就要上路了現在只剩下4個月了 署長我們會把這一些相關的所有的要配套的措施不是 為什麼我要跟你講這是經濟部的政策我們的綠能的政策是很好可是不應該要強制而且是全國適用這個要非常的小心好不好那會後拜託趕快書面報告趕快提供給我們 好不好好 謝謝 |
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我們接下來請張宏祿委員發言我請部長跟次長還有署長麻煩部長次長署長 |
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我想先請問一下這個劉部長這個我之前我在質詢的時候我就有請 |
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內政部跟交通部對這個永續提升人行安全計畫這些計畫如果你補助給地方我們都是錢給他而已地方怎麼設計怎麼做什麼的我們好像都不管 |
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然後我那時候就有要求說這個我們補助給他他們如何設計如何什麼有沒有照計畫來有沒有任意更改那你們有答應說會有一個審核的機制那我不知道現在做的如何有審核的機制我是不是請署長跟次長回應一下 |
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我跟委員報告一下原則上兩部應該都是一樣的我們都有出省的制度跟副省的一個制度那在出省的制度裡頭地方政府當然他提出來的時候他要委託相關的一個專業的單位來做而且都會有經過計師他相關的改善的情形都要經過交通計師的一個簽證 |
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所以整體性來看是有一個嚴厲的督導程序而且不管是交通部也好我們都有相關的指引供大家來使用我講的不是程序我跟你講 |
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我們補助給他了對不對他可能是人行道改善工程結果他自己又多出一點點錢然後就不只變成人行道改善工程他連道路什麼什麼改善然後一起來 |
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那跟原來的計畫不大一樣喔這個我相信我們在審議的時候都會看他因為他提出來的計畫的範圍、範疇來看不是啦,你聽不懂,你聽不懂我說的嗎你們就是審書面,書面的時候到時候實際上的執行他的計畫有時候會變,有時候會變得不一樣 |
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這點你們有百分之百能去防範嗎有百分之百說你這樣不行嗎或者是他的計畫會變得更好但我發現我們現在好像沒有這個機制好 署長 |
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跟委員報告我們其實每個案子齁從報計畫到設計我們其實都審查那施工的過程我們有去督導我們地方分市都有去督導那他變更設計咧他變更設計咧變更設計我們也是要報到我們這邊齁然後那個我跟委員報告就是說有些地方政府他在做人行道的時候他周邊 |
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或者是要改車溝又搭配其他的案子他們會再去自籌那避免說整個路挖兩次商家會抗議不是不是不是你們跟我講的這都是程序這個是走公務人員行政人員走程序的回答對不對他的變更設計就像你說的他可能要多做一些我剛剛講要多做一些結果咧變位了 |
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他本來申請的是A結果到最後已經變成B了我之前就有要求過我現在只問你們這個機制建立了沒就好了因為這個樣態太多啦那我只問你們有沒有建立這個機制而已我那時候只要求要建立機制而已 |
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變更有沒有這個機制?我們目前在做這些變更的話,我們有這個機制我覺得以你們現在的回答,你們這個機制我認為是沒有建立所以你們才會回答成這樣為什麼我要提這個? |
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因為很多的人行道的改善我們是優先要做人行道的改善工程但變成時間一拖再拖 |
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幾個月的工程可能變成一年本來這個變化太大了這個我覺得很多的時效,很多的什麼你們要有這個機制你這個機制我覺得很容易建立,也不用我在這邊跟你們說另外我想請問一下我們新北市到底報了幾件核准了幾件 |
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新北市的這個...內政部的部分總共已經核定了32件已經核定了32件,5億5千萬報了幾件? |
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已經提報36件,核定了32件對嘛,36核定32嘛,對不對那已經核定了5億多了嘛,對不對這個裡面也有我爭取的好幾件啦,對不對那交通部勒? |
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總共新北市報了三案,那我們合了兩案總共三案的錢是八千一百三十五萬所以啊你核定的比例因為我都有在追我認為你們的核定比例也不算低啊那你有的是還沒核定吧所以你們剛剛的回答是不漂亮的你們剛剛交通部你們的回答是不漂亮的 |
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對啊,來到這邊你回答立委,你這樣子回答會造成全國的誤解還好我都有在追蹤這個整個永續提升人權安全計畫的這個,我都還有在追蹤我就覺得不對啊,你們回答的是不大對的啊,對不對所以你們要回答要精確一點啦,好不好 |
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所以我拜託一下署長署長我剛剛說的那些我們不是要找地方政府麻煩我們只是要求他要做得快速一點然後照計畫來不要一個案子下去然後拖了很久你結果造成民怨然後地方政府就說沒有啊這是中央的啊中央的事啊他不知道是地方政府發包的 |
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那結果你們都背黑鍋而且我也覺得這樣不對你一個工程就要盡速做嘛你要嘛要求地方政府你要變更計畫你要做什麼我們不反對 |
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你實效性 工程的實效性你要把它整合起來嘛 一起做嘛而不是他們就有的是這個發包 那個發包結果這樣一段一段做那結果造成了交通的擁擠造成了很多的問題那他們一推 這是中央的計畫 |
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這個我認為不對啦,對全國人民,對每天在那邊出路的人,在那邊走的人我認為都是不對的我們會要求設計階段就全部把它整合好好,謝謝好,我們下一位請蘇巧惠委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席我們請部長跟署長好了麻煩部長跟署長部長好部長今天我覺得在討論這個我們要爭取 |
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永續提升人行安全計畫的這個部分是從113年到116年這樣近400億的重大政策而且它是從111年的時候就是開始規劃然後113執行到116現在正執行到一半嘛那我其實必須跟部長也跟大家報告一下其實我個人不但因為在這裡有推動然後爭取然後這資源回到地方我們直接秀圖好不好 |
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對我覺得這個計畫真的非常好地方的反應也非常受到歡迎尤其是我必須說因為我們內政部國土署這邊我們在我們在這個推動計畫當中有一項有一個方向值得稱許的是 |
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他在這個計畫當中以孩子為視角的狀態下學校周邊的人行暴露呢非常非常的受到排序上的優先一直往前提所以像我們學校我們的選區當中在新北市當中其實有很多的學校不但是周邊的老舊人行暴被改善甚至是還有一種比較嚴重的是 |
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學校周邊直接沒有人行道直接就接馬路接巷弄的這種也創設出了人行道這個部分我們覺得非常值得嘉許所以我想知道一下就是部長這個計畫接下來推動它主要的方向會在哪裡然後當然我也想請教我們新北其實是人口數最多 |
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所以不管是學校間數超過300間然後這個學童人數也非常的多請問你在各縣市的預算分布大概會是怎麼樣的一個比例配置報告委員委員的關心我們都一直持續在進行當中這個計畫大概就是還要再持續下去那未來我們還是會跟地方政府一起來合作那委員所關心尤其是學校的通學步道在我們這兩年的執行當中是最快速的 |
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因為孩童的爸爸媽媽還有老師們最關心學童的安全那因為剛好學校的校區是屬於公共的建設所以比較沒有溝通上的困難但是如果是屬於人行道的部分的話有時候會牽涉到商家商街等等或者是道路寬窄不一的狀況所以人行道的這個改善的部分會比較少 |
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所以我們未來會針對這個瓶頸區啊會再跟地方政府包括他們交通單位或是教育單位再來協調是不是可以繼續來持續下去那同時呢我們有推出就是公民啊就是公民的這個街道醫生呢他可以用我們的回應的方式呢把他們那個地區需要改善提供給我們那我們會來 |
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主動通報在有限的地區是的 因為只有他們生活在社區才知道說他們人行道安全出了什麼狀況會提供給我們更詳細的資料這個又是另外一個問題了啦因為我剛剛在問您的是說我第一 我告訴大家 報數 |
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我鼓勵內政部這邊說你們這個計畫裡面把孩童相關的學校地區放在優先我覺得是好的而且成效顯著這是我給予肯定嘛所以我剛剛的問題就是那接下來的兩年你持續繼續啊你的方向重點會在哪裡我當然順著這個邏輯下來我的期待其實就是要聽到孩童會繼續維持在優先學校會繼續維持在優先 |
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所以我更要加碼跟您報告的就是說其實就是在這個過程當中我們學校周邊已經改善過了那麼孩子不是只有從家裡到學校不是只有學校旁邊才是需要被保護被安全的嘛所以我今天要提出的就是通學錄廊也應該要能夠被放在優先的部分我們可不可以下一個 對 |
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對 這路廊的部分嘛這你看是過去我們直接沒有人行道直接是通直接是接在馬路上面的狀況好 那我就舉兩個例子跟你說好了 |
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下面兩個例子那個第一張圖的話我們這兩張圖的話其實分別是來自新莊跟新店這樣子的兩個部分齁那其實我們在新莊的部分像福音國中往丹奉捷運站的路上其實就是沒有人行道直接走在巷道上面那再來呢第二個的話是新店的雙城國小我們都是舉例嘛一離開學校馬上你看旁邊人行道也就是斷掉的部分所以 |
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剛剛部長又提到另外一個問題另外一個計畫是公民可以通報但我今天在這裡質詢台上我要跟你討論並且我提出的就是我同意我贊成孩子優先學校優先所以我認為下一階段的兩年計畫裡面是不是可以把學校我們沒有辦法到每個人家裡因為每個人住的地方不一樣但至少比如說學校到捷運站學校到公車站 |
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這種通學路廊的部分也可以列為我們在改善計畫裡面的優先部分這樣一節一節做下去接起來學童的安全回家路上學路才能夠完成市長您認為是謝謝委員的關心我們在114年度的時候已經有邀集一些民團來開會現在會用六個直轄市政府先行辦理兩處的校園示範區也就是您所說的在校園周邊已經改善了以後它的往外擴 |
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這個計畫還要再跟六個直轄市政府再來但是他列為內政部這邊的優先計畫跟六個直轄市討論然後也跟委員報告到115年3月的時候內政部已經累計中央政府補助的校園周邊的改善計畫已經有400 |
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01案已經完成401案正在執行17案總共加起來418案這是全國的400案對全國也就是我們在過去一段時間裡面對於校園周邊的改善確實是有顯著的一個成果部長你剛剛說的這個資料400案裡面是時間點到什麼時候115年3月底 |
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那如果400案裡面我們新北市根據我的資料目前是只有核定32件那我是覺得這個比例相對來講的話如果我們是同一份資料的話那我是覺得新北市的話可能是稍微少了一點對 跟委員報告我剛有提過我們有去統計一下就是由地方政府報上來呢我們的核定的比例大概都是七成到八成所以你意思是他提出的不少了是 他提出的比較少的話那當然核定都比較少可是我們 |
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我們有需要改善的還蠻多的好沒關係那我覺得部長是這樣我剛剛跟您在這個六分鐘的過程當中其實就是在確認我們接下來兩年的方向那既然你也同意這個學校的周圍的通學路廊應該要持續放在最優先的部分的話那不管是我們現在督促地方政府通報我們會跟地方的議員繼續合作像剛剛的話就是新莊林秉佑議員新店這個陳乃雲議員他們通通有這樣回報狀況我們不但會合作然後跟地方政府出 |
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催促他們繼續前進通報另外你剛剛說的這個公民的部分連這些部分應該也是可以一併的通報也會放在優先嗎他的排序是因為這是我們內政部跟交通部一起合作的那所以只要合乎我們原來出去的這個改善計畫的規定的話通報上來我們只要這個會刊沒有問題的話我們就會處理 |
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好那我會想要這個通報機制的部分是不是能夠給我們辦公室一份資料他整個的流程從通報然後審核的程序然後使用的期間大概會是多少我們在國土署的官方網站我們再處理一下給委員辦公室來參考好非常感謝 謝謝部長 謝謝次長我們下一位請王宏威委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席請我們劉世芳部長內政部劉世芳部長以及我們交通部的政次陳次長好麻煩部長跟次長 |
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部長跟次長我首先感謝我們今天主席來安排今天的專題報告因為這個在我們地方上大家都非常的關心那剛才我們前面幾位委員也特別問到包含 |
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他們的這個所在的這個選區還有那個整體的有關於就是道路交通安全的部分那我在這邊我也要特別關心就是校園周邊肇事熱點要怎麼樣去降低到案事故 |
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因為雖然我們從112年在實施這個計畫但是可以看到到114年全國兒童也就是0到12歲這個有關於他是屬於行人的部分他的這個 但還好他沒有死亡人數受傷的人數仍然超過1000多人 大概1100多人 |
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所以這個數字還是讓我們是觸目驚心的那即便我們這幾年來自於中央還有各地方政府都在這個整個人本交通計畫大家也花了很多的心思可是可以看到校園周邊的肇事而造成兒童的這個受傷的 |
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人數非常非常的高那因為我自己當議員很多年那麼我們大概每一年都會有很多很多的一些會刊那當然以台北市來說那麼包含一些這個行人沒有行人道的 |
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畫這個就是就是標線行人道那當然這過程裡面還有別說我們有一些樹木移不開的也造成兒童的他這個在通行的部分會受阻甚至呢別說台電台電一些電箱的部分我們其實在這個過程裡面我們是我們其實碰到非常非常多問題他不單純只是我們有沒有人行道有沒有施工因為有時候人行道中間就是有一棵大樹而且還移不開我們要花很多很多 |
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時間要把它移開或者我剛剛講的變電箱好那我們現在提到就是校園周邊計畫的這個改善計畫剛才有特別提到前面幾位都是新北市的區域的委員關心新北市那如果看這個核定建樹的比例我們確實也看到這個越旺南它的核定比例越高比如說我們台北市的核定率1% |
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新北市的核定率是4% 桃園核定率4%但是為願望難走 比如台南核定率8%高雄的核定率是21%這個是校園周邊改善計畫的部分所以 |
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當然剛才我們劉世芳部長一直強調就說今天來自於地方政府他是不是他來有沒有申請就沒有申請大概就會有七八成之多那我認為所有的不管是哪一都 |
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即便不在我的選區內我覺得如果各縣市政府他有需要有需要其實真的就應該盡量給他核定那剛才也聽到部長的報告就說現在呢也能夠希望盡量的盡量的加快流程那這個部分我是肯定的好我們來看下一頁那另外就說 |
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我要特別說的即使是如此我們在人行道的部分全國人行道的普及率到現在仍然不到五成而且這幾年可以看到可能前幾年他這個我們的這個工程做下去你也容易看到這個數字的提升如果我們看七年來的這個人行道到2025年 |
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七年來的人行道的普及率這兩年出現了一個停滯的狀態出現一個停滯的狀態所以我想請問一下也許要問交通部那這個部分我們到底現在還因為我們希望一年要增加一個百分點可是現在顯然看起來現在是一個停滯的狀態我們要如何的去做改善呢 |
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我想跟委員報告一下那個人行道其實要偵測或要改善其實如果在一開始都市設計或規劃的時候沒有要來偵測是有困難的所以就是因為這樣的困難所以在這樣的一個人行改善計畫裡面人行道的改善也是一個我們列為一個重點所以市長你們認為現在人行道的普及率進入了一個瓶頸區了嗎 |
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不是進入一個瓶頸區就是說大家要持續的去改善所以我們每一年大概都會同內政部來訂定相關的一個API來持續的來推動因為我們台北市來說就是因為他簽署的度市計畫你之前沒有規劃那有很多還是私地 |
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那我們這幾年台北市做的很多我覺得做的也比較好的地方就是我們盡量用標線型的人行道標線型人行道老實講他的重點他的困難是在於溝通我自己的選區 |
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有時候標籤 因為一樓都不要給你嘛一樓因為他要停車嘛 對不對對 同意嘛 然後死都不肯而且我們即便在校園旁邊 他們也是不肯啊有的找里長 里長 你看像選舉 他左右為難 |
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但是呢這幾年台北市因為很多的一些示範區的標線型人行道把它做出來之後那對於議員在做會刊的時候也比較好去爭取我們在初期標線型人行道尤其一樓的店面真的我們遭到非常非常大的阻力 |
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所以我覺得你們在做一些目標的時候除了當然你最好能夠做人行道甚至我們還有什麼腳踏車怎麼樣的在人行道裡面還有這個自行車道這個把它做得比較完整但是有很多的我知道像台北市有一些路都可以做可是我到新北我自己來看我都不曉得要怎麼做連人行道做出來都非常困難 |
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所以我覺得標線型人行道標線型人行道也可以把它作為一個指標標線型人行道仍然非常有可能被佔用也有可能被圍停 非常可能但是呢 它做下去之後其實對於行人的保障還是有一定的效果尤其對於年長者尤其台北市 因為它是一個老化的城市那很多都根本要推輪椅 |
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我們以前還做過就在人行道裡面推人椅然後就摔到整臉通通都花掉了因為你人行道品質不好更差你有做跟沒做可能你有做還造成更多人受傷這個是一個建議另外一個就是剛才有特別提到要怎麼樣去簡化程序來下一頁簡化程序也就是說要提高公共的參與率可是我在這邊特別提到 |
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我們從推出全民參與街道改善然後呢到目前為止只有一件完工只有一件完工後來我問說這件事在哪裡啊民族珍貴嘛結果部長你知道在哪裡嗎你們知道在哪裡嗎跟那個委員回答是在台北市的安居街對台北市大安區因為這一類的案件其實通常 |
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環境都是比較複雜一點,就是民眾溝通的時間要花比較多,所以通常會讓就是沒有我跟你講,我聽到台北市大安區然後我覺得預料之中因為確實我們大安區居民他們對於他們很多的交通設施他們前一陣子應該去年嘛,為了要拆一個路橋,他們也 |
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也發動了所有的公民參與那個完全是跨黨派的喔完全是跨黨派我不在那個區域裡面我都被我都接受到陳情跟投訴就是為了一個路橋所以我的意思說雖然我們想說能夠希望有這個街道醫生用公民參與平台可是以現在來看顯然參與率是不足的然後每個投票每個提案只有40個人投票 |
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那這樣的狀況你即便做下去搞不好還有其他人發現了之後很不爽說你為什麼要這樣做所以我覺得這個公民參與平台它可以推動那或者說你們要在這個既然要推動的話就需要更多人的參與 |
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那我覺得像大安區台北市大安區因為他們過去他們公民參與的踴躍度是很高的那邊就是尤其很多他們是文教區嘛那都很樂於踴躍參與但是老師說我覺得其他縣市未必所以我認為如果說要加速加速那你單單只是靠公共參與平台的話那其實他的效率不一定會做顯著的提升這是我的一個提醒 |
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我們下一位請王美惠委員發言麻煩部長 |
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部長大家說平安健康是最重要的在這個平安當中 大家都運忙 出門上班也好 要去買東西也好 |
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可以很平順的所以在中央有提出永續提升行人安全的價位的轉押剛才本市有聽很多我們的董事跟他們談到過這個錢 |
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重金要到400億,在400億的當中,就是地方有發生問題覺得要改善,跟地方提出結尾來讓他們有辦法適當,這裡的步驟 |
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會經費是不是這樣 補充你回答一下是 感謝委員 非常關心基本上就是要貫徹政府補起來後我們來審查審查後通常都是會核定但是地方政府要補起來我們也要替他提供有時候酒瓶的人大家都有不一樣的意見所以為什麼會比較慢雖然工廠的改善工廠的技術沒有那麼困難但是主要是人的溝通 |
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剛才大家都說了,也沒有這麼好的結尾啦坦白說,我們地方包括里長或是縣議員,絕對一堆提案上來啦為什麼沒有?不是縣市政府不夠撇平是因為地方上的協調跟交通絕對是要有共識如果有共識,這裡經費要流去,已經都很快了 |
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所以要把委員講的部分,應該是比較大的難題是這個地方啦,要拜託民意代表要報三天你說的重點就在這裡啦,有個好個結尾,要不然北省就留意,覺得說自己要做人性道,跟我們家有多厚,本來就都這麼長的啊,你沒帶沒紙,要去中央清紙來做跟我們家有錢,要放摩托車也可以,要放威卡也可以 |
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這就是里長的難處在這裡所以里長都會認為自己不要做就好了因為本身是怎麼來的呢因為這裡的經費重金要到400億就是有地方政府他有覺得我建一地方要改善的年薪賭來拿出價位來領中央 |
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協定跟可以有經費嘛 哪有可能說因為我們的交通部發現到每一個的地方 他們都有這個交通的問題 連線道的問題 管線車號的問題主動補助地方政府部 來 保庭律會答謝 |
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我向委員報告,我們現在都做三個計劃,一個就是永續提升人行安全計劃,一個叫做提升道路品質計劃,一個叫做生活圈道路交通系統計劃,這是市區道路啦,為一個計劃啦,在我們加以持家,一個是5.64億,一個是7.67億,一個是6.92億, |
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沒錯 我也代表嘉義市跟嘉義市政府感謝你們對嘉義市的補助因為嘉義市政府 包括北省 包括里長 嘉義縣都很認真很發表 |
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都可以說 建築我們中央的經費在建設溝通跟營運就更好現在我告訴你就是說我這樣看 我的資料看 我的高雄有的改善也不在治安委報的裡面我自己的高雄 很好 最好沒有 |
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檢証耶 沒中當然匯報啦是不是請主席來回答這不是只有硬體改善就可以處理啊包括軟體改善也有啊 |
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我的意思就是說,是不是正好認真,中央好這個錢,是不是要怎麼改善?我是不是請高通部的處長回答一下,好不好?市長,你有看到這個,你會怕嗎?跟你這次是一個非常稍微相似,你知道 |
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六萬人的交通雖然台北我們大家都騎摩托車那麼多但是交通的安全對地方是非常重要何況你用這個經費來改善的時候你看有80年、11年、12年、13年、14年哇 委員報告我們有看到這個現象啦你有沒有騎一條 |
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人數的增加對我們來說都是很... |
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很心疼嗎 心疼 沒辦法接受的啦所以這個數目的增加我們不是把它看成是一個數字而已 冰冷的數字是覺得很沉痛所以我們歷次 尤其最近啦大概都有跟嘉義市政府相關的交通單位或警察單位大家討論如何來降低啦那當然這個其實來講 要怎麼做 |
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幾個面向工程的面向當然要來看相關的改善另外一個執法面也是很重要警察的執法最後一個就是要多多的宣導那這部分我們會跟嘉義市相關的單位來找看他到底是什麼地方有問題來共同來解決 |
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沒有這麼嚴重 我看的時候 我會覺得說我的資料是不是不對 我會想這樣 |
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想說跟我們有改善 跟我們市政府也有認真發表來補充你要補充是不是請市長再向你報告一下因為我們領域嘉義市的市區的道路設計可能有一些綜合這是要很大的改善另外也要向委員 委員非常關心這也包括說嘉義市可能人來人往的觀光客也很多所以出現這麼多的交通事故其他的補充 我請市長幫你做一個補充好啦 |
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市長來跟委員報告那個人行空間的部分主要這一個不管是剛剛講的這個交通事故那因為嘉義的這個道路它有些都都市就要划很寬那實際上依照車流量它的寬度其實不需要那麼多車道那有些是提供一些綠帶或者是分隔島或者是一些人行空間那如果說道路都一直很多車道讓他走的話那個車流量很快很容易就會造成一些相關的事故這個部分我們在人行空間裡面我們有做過檢討 |
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所以我們會給那個嘉義市政府一個建議就是說那個全市的一些路口 包含一些道路比較寬的地方可能要做整體的檢討因為 署長啊 部長 本席在這 覺得說我們是要解決問題不是要去求求說 市政府做得不好還是什麼因為我的雇傭 我的家族 我希望交通會更安全好 |
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因為每一個民運代表都有這個責任,要如何去共享,要交通更好所以我希望我們的手機也好,手機也好,交通也好可以提出你們的專業,加二次,加三次,因為我覺得 |
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在這裡相信每一個立委都沒有分什麼擋牌只是在建築、在工廠的溝通會更安全、更好當時市長你未來的時候,我們建的市長會正經整頓到工廠 |
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當然要改善不是一天兩天的,但是我希望在中央的專業可以下放到地方的政府,這樣你們改善的錢夠有意義啦 |
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因為在這兩年的時候,我們看到寶座也好,還是廚房也好因為看到廁所的時候,像庇護島,有個開車的時候,有四個門 |
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他自己開了,覺得這世界一樣你看,這是新聞,這是比較有意義的事情這是開車的問題,還是我們社會的問題這也很要緊,因為每一項改變的結尾就是賣車走路也好,開車也好,騎摩托車也好,大家都要硬頂 |
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在這個規定 我覺得有需要我們的單位在此去配合地方政府剛才我來補充說的 跟你們這400億的經費是你們主動給地方 還是地方要請出到補充的回答就是地方有各種問題 要幾位 幾位才有辦法請出這些錢 |
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所以我們也多多對自己的關心和協助因為我覺得在這段時間這七分鐘要去探討這些問題探討不了,但是事後的時候 |
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本身會再教你來探討一下,未來要改善更好,尤其我們的學校、旁邊的人生,我相信教育區有幾間都改善了很好,要不然還需要,我們好,還要更好,以上 |
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跟委員會報告這個黃婕委員詢答完後處理臨時提案那臨時提案處理完後休息5分鐘那我們接下來請李博義召委發言謝謝有請劉世邦部長還有國土署蔡署長謝謝來委員好謝謝部長 |
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我選區左營南子這幾年的轉變繞著半導體產業也就是台積電在這邊設廠現在兩個廠之後還有三到四個廠之後還有三到四個廠再加上原本其實在劉部長在擔任副市長的時候在推動的橋頭科學園區橋頭科學園區的連外道路跟整個高雄市政府跟現在的內政部 |
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息息相關啊那所以不管部長你是什麼角色都跟我的選區脫不了關係包含你在副市長包含你在立法委員包含你現在擔任部長那對於幾條道路的這個催生我們都逐步的在追蹤這些進度 |
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那你看從中油煉製廠變成台積電廠區從舊左營國中要變成國立清華大學的半導體學院從聯堂會館要變成國立陽明交大的也是半導體學院那所以部長在上個禮拜跟左院長也一起到國道一號男子交流道的洞土 |
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這個也特別感謝內政部給予這個經費那有一個問題其實比較關鍵需要部長跟署長的支持那就是 |
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周邊的這些道路那天遇到台積電的副總我跟他說讓你們投資這麼多那我們一個交流道才100多億才100多億那台積電投資上兆在高雄所以說跟地方政府配合這個TSMC的公共工程的投資其實是遠遠不及那我們希望左營南梓這個園區 |
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他不會像竹科這樣子當大量的這些工程師從業人員配合廠商進到這個園區之後會有這個塞車的問題所以發明了創造了這個交流道那我剛需要我剛說需要部長跟署長這邊協助的就是其實未來你可以想像從台南科學園區沙崙這邊到南子產業園區到 |
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中間有這個橋頭科學園區中間的這些車流量會有多少那目前橋科規劃的車流都只有往北都只有往岡山它只有一條目前正在國路署正在推動的一之一它可以接到省道那整個區論徵收大幅的落後原本規劃的這個 |
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要三橫三豎出來那歸咎原因說是財務計畫但是其實歸咎原因又說到這個當初交通部在規劃這個高速公路下的這個連通道的時候財務計畫太多但是你看一個台積電我們已經把周邊的道路班交流到做這麼多的整併做這麼多的規劃包含新台17線那內政部也非常支持那部長 |
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我們是不是針對橋科這一個連外道路我們也要再加緊的來推動我想相關的推動進度是不是請署長跟您回應一下好嗎謝謝 請署長 |
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謝謝委員那個橋科裡面我們目前在目前的一個第一期這個部分大概整地大概都已經完成那另外的部分有一支總共有幾條另外道路規劃有三條現在只有一支一正在處理然後一支二跟一支一還有一支二目前一支一的部分 |
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我們現在會放在三期的一個以後的區段徵收計畫裡面那這個區段徵收計畫我們目前在做西部計畫的整個開發計畫大概四月會小組那我們預計是六月會完成整個都市計畫對我要講的是後面你的一支二一支三也要趕快出來對那這個部分我們也會用我們的一個新市政的基金加速來去辦理 |
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否則這個目前的一個僑科他的整個聯外系統要積極不要太保守你看剛剛市政府跟內政部還有國科會還有交通部那麼積極可以把這個交流道創造出來 |
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我覺得喬科我們也要做更積極的準備那今天還有另外一個很重要的議題就是我們是永續行人安全從113年到117年的這個計畫那當然總預算沒有交付總預算沒有審查當然影響到這個計畫我們希望剛剛劉部長講到的校園往外擴的這個計畫我也會在左營跟南子的校園來爭取那包含我在上任以後對於新莊一路這個 |
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這個蔡署長在當蔡局長的時候也都陪我會看過啦那希望我們在今年度趕快把這些路數的這些移植然後包含這個道路的人行道的這些這些工程趕快把它完善好那個概念新莊一路的概念就跟通學步道 |
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變成同學路廊一樣當內政部花了很多經費在直向南北向的人行道卻沒有東西向的人行道往原道很可惜所以當時就這樣子爭取那未來繼續來爭取這些校園校園通道往社區的這些友善行人環境我覺得這是必要我們要積極的來爭取的 |
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另外也要再跟部長請命老宅延售經費只有50億當然遠遠不足當然我們總預算也期待可以跟在野黨可以好好的合作希望總預算趕快交付甚至希望我們的新興計畫 |
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有機會可以針對老宅延壽不足的地方我們可以再加強我講的就是國貿社區那部長可能也跟我一樣非常了解國貿社區的需求上次也在委員會裡面也答應說要研議國貿社區的老宅延壽或許部長會用不同的名稱不同的經費來支持國貿社區的這個 |
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他的外牆瓷磚脫落導致行人安全也有問題行人安全不是只有路面我想這個瓷磚希望部長也可以允諾我們盡速來研議來處理謝謝 請部長回應 |
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那個老宅延售因為只有50億各方都想要爭取這個經費所以目前我們第一期開始就是以四到六樓的公寓或六樓以下那國貿社區是12層樓第一個還有就是要全體住戶要同意真的很大的困難那我們來看一下就是說如果可以用這個都市更新的方式可以試試看但是也是要請這個委員或者是地方的民意代表來幫忙那個住戶要同意 |
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如果租屋沒有同意的話,恐怕這個經費補助下去反而會適得其反我想除了都更跟這個老宅之外,必須再找一條路出來我們再跟國土署、再跟內政部共同來研議,謝謝好,謝謝委員好,謝謝,我們請廖先祥召委資訊,謝謝 |
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謝謝主席,麻煩我們邀請劉部長,還有我們的署長部長好,這個我們的報告這個我大概也是看了一下,那最後一頁這個部長有大概提到總預算嘛,大概我一念一下就是115年度中央政府總預算上會通過將影響地方改善人心安全環境執行的情形嗎我想跟部長確認一下是怎樣的影響法 |
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我是不是來請那個署長跟您回應一下 好不好好 |
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這哪方面怎麼樣的影響我們現在預算沒有辦法核定所以很多計畫其實在今年度從開始的先期作業其實就沒有辦法跟地方直接說這些經費馬上要給你們補助所以在納入預算等等的這個部分都會有所延誤因為這個預算法54條大家應該都熟悉對不對那我們這一次人本計畫大概是從113年到116年 |
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那前兩個年度大概都是編列50億的左右那我們的報告裡面有說我們2015年度編列37億6千萬那老實說這樣的一個數字是比大概前兩年度大概去年度的一個額度還來的低那依照預算法54條只要不超過去年度的這個預算核定數 |
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的一個規模都可以使用那也就是我們大概編的這37億6千萬他依照預算法54條應該都是可以動資的沒錯吧 |
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我們這個部分都是延續性的才有繼續動之是延續性的對啊所以我想確認一下跟委員報告一下報告寫的說你講到的部分是指哪邊你現在講的是預算總額度但是我們每一件計畫都是新興計畫那只要是新興計畫如果沒有通過的話其實不能動之 |
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比如說我們現在做一個人行道的改善工程現在如果已經進入規劃設計的階段那當然可以繼續用可是他這個已經改善完成了以後我下一段是重啟一個新興計畫新興計畫不是這樣看吧這個是大項目在看的啦 這個部長 署長是看預算科目吧 |
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怎麼會是個別那我每年養護道路我每年鋪的路都不一樣難道每一條都叫做新興計畫嗎這個叫例行性的預算吧 |
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各位報告其實我們是擔心很多預算因為雖然是這樣有延續性過來的但是我們也是擔心預算會被刪減還有一些大的項目所以我們說實在的在一些地方上面爆來的案件在核定上面我的時間真的是有所延誤所以你們是怕立法院未來如果說在審總預算的時候會不會刪 |
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刪到這個預算的金額導致你們不能夠不敢去把它我們不能跟地方做太多的承諾因為這個部分都還有一些地方所以單純按照預算法我們這37億在編列的部分都可以動之但是你們擔心這37億未來如果說被立法院有刪除的話那差額的部分要怎麼樣子的來那你們現在大概先抓大概多少的37億你們大概會釋放多少出來讓地方政府申請 |
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我們今年也是先大約抓37億那就是37億啊 |
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對啊,用原本的額度啊,你們剛剛又說怕立法院刪除,但是你們又用37億來算但是程序上還是要立法院...好不好,所以說部長這個地方建設我們也希望說未來這個報告希望說盡量不要扯到我們這個總預算的問題啦因為遇照預算法54條,尤其是這個我們的預算規模比去年還低了那就常理來說應該是不會被影響的,好那就進行實質的討論啦,好不好,這些人本的 |
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那這部分我也不確定你們有沒有辦法回答因為可能牽扯到一些法令的問題也就是說我們的道路大概原則上會有兩種一種是我們的土地產權100%是公有機關那有一些是繼承道路也就是說私人產權的部分那我們在做相關的行人永續安全提升的申請補助的時候 |
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有沒有去把這兩種去分開還是只要地方政府提了就他只要是認定是繼承向道那我們就可以有補助我們在審查部分有看到公司有了這個區分嗎地方政府只要取得的這些相關的同意或者是認定我們都會給予補助結論說如果說是繼承向道的話需要土地同意書 |
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繼承巷道都已經認定是繼承巷道所以說我們這邊不會去管他的產權有沒有取得就是地方政府自己要去認定地方政府只要認定那他願意申請的話那這部分我們國土是沒有意見的那我不知道其他縣市大概是怎樣的一個做法自己本身這也是新北市自己的做法新北市他自己的做法是這樣 |
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繼承道路如果說他繼承道路他原本就是道路的話那他就是做道路如果說他是人行道的話那他就是做人行道那他只能依照現有的現有的這個鋪面的一個規格照原始的狀態去修繕那包括你去做道路的人行道以及道路的重新做 |
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分配的話照新北市他目前自己的規定是不行的啦所以說在這部分應該就是照署長講的這部分是新北市政府他自己的內規而不是國土署有這樣子的一個要求嘛 |
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我們沒有這樣的要求因為每個縣市政府他的做法應該可能不太一樣因為這個就扯到一個這個就牽扯到因為在我們市的市區道路啦除了台北市啦可能就是財政比較健全或是規劃比較妥善的情況下很多的道路其實都是繼承的一個巷道那新北市政府他目前有時候會遇到的狀況就是他是繼承道路所以說他不能夠去做人行道的一個拓寬 |
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那導致他沒有辦法來申請我們友善行人永續的一個部分那我想我不曉得其他縣市也會不會有這樣子的一個看法啦因為這個東西牽扯到私人產權嘛那大家擔心說這個 |
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在如果說未來有相關訴訟的話那會不會導致額外這個節外生智的狀況所以說我是不是能夠建議國土署未來在跟地方政府在討論的時候你們在常常會有跟各地方政府在做溝通嗎是不是我們這邊國土署統一都會可以有一個見解啦應該算是一個見解也就是說 |
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在繼承道路上面 只要地方政府認一認它是繼承鄉道的話那所有的一些公共設施包括道路或者是附屬設施的一個調配的話那原則上不只是這個計畫 而是說在我們的認定上面它地方政府都是有這樣的一個權利讓地方政府它能夠更敢來申請我們的計畫來改善行人的安全不曉得我們這部分能不能做一些相關的一些溝通這樣子好 各位報告我們大概這個案子會跟地方政府這邊來去彙整他們目前的做法 |
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我確定是每個縣市政府做法都不太一樣所以我們彙整一下大概擬出一些原則讓各個縣市政府來遵循那基本上認定的部分還是要地方政府原則上為什麼剛剛講新北市或者是台北市會申請的比較少 |
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就是因為他們有很多這樣子的一個狀況他們其實不太敢來做申請怕會有未來的一個訴訟那假設說如果說有一個我們國土署也認同這樣子的一個方向的話既然是繼承巷道的話地方政府也願意認的話那我們來做補助讓他們來執行那或許他們會更有這樣子的一個大家知道大家都是公務人員嘛大家彼此的信賴大家都能夠揣摩啦那另外一個小小的問題就是在我們的一些可能如果有出國的話可能都會看到有一些 |
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國外的道路他們在行人的穿越量比較大的區域他其實他並不是撲柏油的對不對他可能會是尤其是早發展比較早期的他可能會是一些比較不平等的道路可能或者是石塊然後藉由道路的不平整來降低這個車速這樣子的一個設置我不確定這樣的設置有沒有符合我們國家的一些道路工程的設計規範 |
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跟委員報告確實一些國家有用這種方式那譬如說他在裡面不管是造街或者是一些商圈他會用這種方式那這個部分我們在目前的一個道路設計來講並沒有刻意去要求做到這樣不過我們可以來去探討一下後續也會衍生如果有人跌倒了會不會有國賠的問題所以說這個我覺得這是一個方向但是 |
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我們後續的配套措施也必須要先完善的擬定好如果說我們真的要利用這個道路上面的行走的障礙來降低車速的話我覺得這個也是我們未來可以討論的一個方向好 那麻煩署長 以上 謝謝好 謝謝 廖先生 趙偉 |
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我們下一位請黃婕委員發言謝主席我們請國土署蔡署長好麻煩蔡署長 |
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好 署長好先是感謝國土署其實對於這個行人相關的計畫辦理的補助然後跟這一些目前施行的計畫我都非常肯定因為對於地方的幫助很大那像是我們選區幾個人行道的不管是拓寬還是說改善的計畫其實目前也都成果蠻好的 |
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那在這邊我想要先請教一下這個街道醫生的計畫就是其實也是永續提升人行安全計畫其中一個項目之一那我知道說2024年開始有先推了第一批那時候有大概一萬多件的案件送進來那算是蠻熱絡的那去年之後就開始變成只有一千多件那今年目前看到有上來登記的也大概是一千多件那我想要先請教說為什麼這個案件量只有第一年 |
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很熱門呢等會員報告那實際上這些由民眾這邊直接來去提供的這一些案件齁其實他在執行上面有很多的一些困難度所以大概大家知道一些有時候會知道一些相關的訊息所以在提報上面就會慢慢的去減少 |
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好這邊就是我想要拜託的就是說因為民眾當然也有這個其實是一個很好的管道讓民眾可以直接的公民參與嘛大家覺得哪裡有問題或是有想法都可以很直接的跟國土署來表達他們的意見但是呢目前看起來實際受理的案件其實第一年也只評選出八案然後第二年是十案那我想要請教的就是今年有沒有預計要評選幾案 |
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各位報告每一年我們都會每一批次都是實案都是實案那也是會繼續辦理目前已經在3月16號有召開了好所以這邊我想要拜託的就是民眾也會希望說他們既然直接表達了那如果條件允許然後你們也很妥善的跟民眾溝通說這些確實就是民意的反應的話希望可以要嘛增加受理的案件量要嘛也告訴大家說接下來你們可以做的更多 |
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我們會很支持這些案子因為這個是民眾直接報的所以很多民眾感同身受的一些地方我們會積極的去辦理也會跟地方政府來溝通那雖然他有些地方真的是不好做那我們還是跟地方政府利用各種目前在做的一些相關的技術或者是溝通這個部分很多個面向全部導入去協調完成 |
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是啦我相信署長很有經驗啦這個跟地方溝通的事情那所以呢這個其實我就是希望說民意既然有反映了一定要讓大家的這個回饋感是有的就是覺得說我反映的事情政府真的有重視那每年評選只有評選十案我是覺得有點少啦我也希望說接下來可以的話可以再增加案量那另外一件事情就是受理的時間可以拉長因為現在也有民眾跟我反映說現在受理大概就是兩個月嘛 |
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對 那大家希望說如果你們受理的時間可以拉長其實有更多的人可以在有限的時間裡面提供更多的意見 |
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我們大概上半年會有一梯次下半年會有一梯次那每一梯次都有10案所以一年會有20案一年都會有20案好對啊那有希望這可以逐步的增加那最後一件事情就是關於這個街道醫生其實你們都已經有這麼棒的民意的呈現了希望可以完整的把這樣的資料都提供給地方政府因為目前以你們的機制是說要達到門檻的 |
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提案案件要200票以上你們才會做成一個清冊然後給地方政府參考嗎那如果可以的話其實你們就都放進去啊反正民眾都已經提供了所有的案件你們也都整理起來讓民地方政府知道說民意在哪裡好我們會比較廣泛的把這些資料收集好給地方政府好謝謝署長那另外一件事情我想要請教我們交通部的次長謝謝請署長先回座 |
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好 次長好 這邊跟你請教一個醫療用的電動代步器你有看過嗎 在路上有沒有看過原則上就是我們講的代步車 類似像這樣那請問他算是我們把這種車輛定義就是行人的輔具沒錯 這就是我要請教次長的 他的定義是行人 |
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所以呢他其實就是按照行人的規範要走在人行道上那當然很多地方人行道還不普及這個是我們要加強但是呢目前市面上有很多是違規的電動用的這個代步器會變成他們自己把最高上限應該只有10公里的限速提升到可以將近40公里所以你會看到路上有很多的這種醫療用的電動代步器他們是在標速的 |
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那我這邊就接到過幾個陳情案件就是他在路上他是綠燈然後直行的車輛跟機車可是呢被那個快非常快速的這個電動代步器撞過去那他們也很驚訝說哇 |
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這個電動代步器不是最高應該是像行人一樣應該是走路的速度嗎怎麼變成機車的速度在行駛那這樣子擦撞的時候其實非常危險因為我接到的案件是怎麼樣呢第一個他們很多使用這個電動代步器的不會有保險 |
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因為民間雖然有所謂的這個特別幫他們開設這樣的項目可是因為他不是汽車也不是機車所以他不會有什麼第三責任險也不會有一定要的強制險那這種東西你跟他發生擦撞的時候對方是沒有保險的 |
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沒有辦法理賠然後他也覺得我被撞得莫名其妙但是我不知道怎麼跟使用這個電動代步器的這樣的你說他是行人你說他是車主也好這是接下來很多東西是沒有辦法進行下去那甚至是像這樣子的違規上限可以到40公里的這種電動代步器喔市面上都是現在你上蝦皮你就找得到 |
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我跟委員報告一下剛才委員一再提到那個電動代步車原則上是衛福部在這個核定或補助的當然他們核定的會希望大家照著規矩來這個都有一定的規定的所以剛才委員特別提到就是說如果沒有按照規定來的話這部分我想我們會來跟衛福部來討論因為像這樣的議題其實在中央的道安 |
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的這個工作會小組裡頭啊大概也有請衛福部做一些相關的說明那後續呢這部分因為車輛因為那樣的一個輔具是由他們來核定的所以他本身對於什麼樣的輔具是符合規定的他有相關的規範那如果說不符合這個規範販售也好 |
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或者是在網路上販售或者是改裝也好應該照理說要有相關的一個規範來如果不合規定來做處理那這一部分呢我們會來跟衛福部看怎樣來健全這樣的管理好 謝謝次長這就是我要在這邊跟你拜託的 |
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跟衛福部討論看看你們要講說你們遇到的交通安全的狀況是這樣那衛福部不能只管他們的說符合標準就可以他們其實就是一個符合標準就可以來申請嘛一開始是想要照顧長輩輔具的申請就這麼單純可是實際上路的時候就造成路上有很多狀況啊那這個應該是你們要把你們這邊的經驗彙整來跟衛福部討論才對第一個 |
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責任險是不是應該要有什麼樣的保險的機制讓他們在路上是更有安全保障的第二個這些違規的輔具在路上都已經變成是車輛了這個問題一定要解決是是是好這個拜託謝謝市長我們現在開始處理臨時提案供應案請宣讀 |
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臨時提案一依據官方資訊檔案總動員相關資料顯示嘉義市交通事故之發生件數及死傷人數均高於其他縣市顯示整體交通及行人安全仍有精進空間鑒於道路與人行環境改善所需經費由中央部會補助並由地方政府執行鑒請中央主管機關因本與權責積極協助地方政府盤點問題提出具體且有效改善方案並 |
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強化跨部會協調機制請交通部及內政部共同研議建立並檢討相關機制強化中央與地方之協作與資源整合其以全面改善道路與人行環境確保民眾通行安全提案人 王美惠等人好 這個提案委員要說明嗎主席 在這裏面剛才我之前有說到在相關的資料顯示裏面 |
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他每10萬人累計算的案件,我看他們選辦單位有什麼意見嗎?如果沒有我們就後悔,以上好,我們部會有這個建議嗎?那你們跟王委員確認一下 |
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好就是我們第一行的都道後面就嘉義市修正為嘉義市每10萬人交通事故之發生就多了每10萬人這樣子OK好那就依照這個修正通過那現在臨時提案處理完畢那我看李昆城委員到了嘛那我們就調整為李昆城委員發言完休息 |
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好 那就等一下 等一下 前面那個委員改書面質詢我還是把他那個好 那個接下來我們請丁學忠委員發言丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠不在 下一位請鄭振前委員發言鄭振前 鄭振前 鄭振前不在 下一位高金素美委員高金素美委員 高金素美委員不在我們下一位請黎坤澄委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席那我們請劉部長麻煩劉部長 |
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部長好 謝謝今天這個永續提升行人的安全的計畫那我查了一下在我這個選區三重選區裡面然後目前有按照這個計畫有完工的其實有五項包含最近有完工的永福國小 之前的中校路一段還有龍濱路的兩側人行道的改善還有新北大橋機車道的改善工程 |
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還有新北高中的人行道改善工程還有三重修德國小明治國中的人行道改善工程所以看得出來以學校附近的通學道為主那我覺得這是相當正確的方向那我們的這一個包含新北市政府公務局也都有提出來那包含內政部國土署也都有審核 |
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那不過呢這個我再看一下目前我們新北市有在提報上去的這個養公署有在提報上去的三重區有兩岸那一岸是這一個三重區龍門路這個是雙號側的人行道改善工程那一個是在第二十項就是這個新北市的義照市入口高風險路廊還有入口行人安全設施改善計畫 |
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那這個我就想在這邊請部長來協助因為我們龍門路現在是單側已經做好了但是雙側沒有做好就你有做好一次另外一次沒有做好啦那這個我們區公所新北市政府也提報到國土署了那這個案子能不能來協助啊不然兩邊的居民說這邊有做那邊沒有做 |
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謝謝李委員多次參與會刊而且提出非常好的借解也謝謝委員跟地方民眾上的溝通提供內政部很多的參考那這一案是去年10月的時候由新北的養工處報上來現在它是屬於競爭型的補助計畫那目前內政部在審核當中 |
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如果說我們在審核的話我們會盡速跟委員報告一下審核結束的時候是什麼時間那我回去查一下現在的審核的內容到底出現什麼狀況那如果還需要跟地方的民眾溝通的話也請李委員來幫忙因為我看你前幾次的這個溝通的結果非常的好應該是沒有什麼狀況啦因為現在就是只欠東風啦對啦 新北市政府還蠻有錢的對 當然我們要新北市政府出啦因為這有中央也有地方啦那我的意思是說 |
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因為單車已經做好,雙車沒有做,怪怪的啦地方配合管跟我們是五十五十啦如果中央有核定的話,我相信新北市政府也會來處理我們會來積極辦理,審核的結果會盡速告訴委員大概哪個時候會知道結果呢 |
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這樣子好不好一個禮拜內會告訴委員答案好不好因為公文在跑到哪裡去我們追蹤一下沒關係因為您現在剛剛提出來我們來檢查請署長回去再查一下一個禮拜內會跟委員報告好謝謝部長那第20項咧這個應該都是 |
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屬於這個 其實各區或是各縣市政府都會有的啦那分享是不是有人請內政部來做個協助您現在講的是指三重區的部分是嗎對 三重那三重區的部分我們一律來查看一下好不好也是一樣 就是說也是希望五十五十的比例啦 |
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那如果地方政府沒有太大問題的話這個因為這個您剛講的就是它是屬於比較多的這個案量我們要一個一個弄清楚再處理所以是麻煩一下好那沒問題多一點時間來處理那剛剛那個案的話一個禮拜你會告訴委員這個我們弄一個禮拜啦那下面的一個可不可以一個月之內一個月之內 |
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只要符合標準的話我們會告訴委員什麼時候一個月內就盡快啦因為這其實就是Routine的這個入口的這個改善其實應該沒有多大的問題我想說這個選區裡面的一些 |
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建設那除非有預算有被擋如果預算有被擋那有中央有補助地方當然我們希望地方會出啦我們就按照規定按照比例的補助比例來支付啦謝謝我們支持我們會來努力那我再問一下部長就是說我查了一下就是到今年的這個3月底地方的提案 |
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有94件這個有關這個人行道的這個改善你們這個計畫但是呢設計施工中呢有75件目前都還卡住啦那只有19件呢打標那我的意思是說這個我們在整個審核的過程當中有沒有什麼比較問題是出現在哪裡那有沒有什麼比較可以 |
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快速審查的例如像這個綠色通道的這部分呢能夠來做審查啦因為有時候就是地方會覺得說那為什麼會卡關卡的比較久來這是交通部來市長嗎還是誰請那個公路局林副局長 |
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跟委員報告那個人行道對主要是其實是用地最困難處理那這個部分就是目前它還新北市的部分都還沒完工都還在施工當中這卡在是還沒有完工那還是說在設計的時候就出現問題了 |
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他有的是設計其實有些地方溝通其實在雖然說沒有用地上沒有問題可是在施工上其實還是要很多溝通因為還是有民眾會反映有些意見所以他有些工企就會因此就會那副局長你意思是說這前面我們審核的過程沒有問題是 |
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後續審核過了後續的施工的過程當中溝通的問題嗎還是怎麼樣是這部分嗎是因為我們甚至有的縣市政府有花包完然後地方反彈以後再測案的就把它除有啦我看比例不高啦不高不高啦那我的意思是說那像這個94件裡面新北市有佔了幾案 |
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三案三案是不是那三案現在是溝通協調的問題就對了他其實就有的部分其實也一直在施工也一直在我們每個案子大概審查時間大概是多久我們中央一個案子他申請以後大概應該到合定大概半年左右就完成也就是說我們剛剛跟國路署一樣是分了上半年審跟下半年審其實這個可以說成每季每季啦 |
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我們收案是一直在收我們公路級的部分是收案是一直在收那我的意思就是說合的話可以按計不用按半年半年啦時間是可以再加快啦因為這個大家都很關心的啊好不好你們想一下那流程如果本來是半年半年可不可以按計一年四季來做審查然後能夠合就趕快合因為我們其實還是會看預算的額度啦那當然預算也是啦也是一個考量的因素啊但是先合下去那預算大家中央跟地方再來想辦法啊 |
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因為我怕沒有預算合了對地方會造成困擾至少不要說是卡在中央的審查啦是 好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝市長好 我們現在休息五分鐘 |
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我們的人都跑走了 |
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谢谢观看下集再见 |
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好 我們繼續開會 請大家依序回座我們下一位請林倩琦委員發言這邊 |
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謝謝我們的主席召委本席請我們內政部劉部長還有今天代表交通部初席現在是市長市長在好那就麻煩部長跟市長還有我們國土署的署長麻煩蔡爽謝謝 |
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好謝謝部長次長還有署長本席今天要關於這個飛機動運具的整體交通的一個環境問題來跟你們做個討論那這邊有一個基本的數據本席在看到113年民眾日常機場使用的這個運具的調查 |
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非機動運具佔整個市佔率12.8%步行佔了9.9%自行車只有2.7%相較於121年自行車的比例也降低了這個現象蠻值得警惕的因為我們整個政策長期要來推動綠色的運輸但實際的使用比例卻沒有明顯的提升結果還下滑 |
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本席看到這樣一個問題可能出現應該是在最主要的問題是在整體環境的不安全所以民眾也沒有辦法使用所以本席今天要討論的是針對兩個部分一個是都會區另外一個是本席來自的原鄉在都會區很多的幹道自行車道跟汽車道的一個混用情形很普遍但是在交通流量大的階段自行車跟大型車共用 |
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其實這個危機四伏所以在人行環境的這個部分那很多都市交通道路的人行道系統也不完整常常會被佔用或者是中斷那行人也會被迫在車道的這個邊緣那安全性跟那個 |
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這人車的一個交通使用交通道的使用比例不符那所以本席這邊要請教這個內政部的這個國土署那目前在這個都市道路規劃跟設計的規範當中呢那人本交通政策是怎麼樣跟地方政府來合作那怎麼樣來區分跟改善的一個優先順序那為什麼會在主要幹道上還常常看到這樣一個問題那本席就一起講啦因為時間的關係 |
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那偏鄉的這個部分呢花東原鄉部落的連外道路本席不僅在這邊那其實在其他的委員會也都提到這個問題那本席常常都徒步在通行一些路段那過去在國外我也常常千里的這樣子走那就發現台灣在這個整個道路的連結性系統的一個規劃可能有上程度還需要再提升 |
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那這個長期的結構性問題其實也跟我們一開始在整個交通的一個道路的規劃上目前當然也是有長期結構性的問題的一個限制那我們怎麼樣把比較弱勢的路人的這個需求也能夠納進去所以本席的實地走訪很多在原鄉的這個路 |
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其實如果常常都是還是以動力車為主軸那麼六幅也比較偏向汽機車的一個使用那人行的空間跟自行車的空間往往都會被擠到貼山壁或者是嘴溝邊緣來行走所以這個部分到底怎麼樣去突破所以本席正要請教交通部跟這個國土署 |
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那花東原鄉的一個連外道路是不是有一些專案性的安全改善的計劃還是還是他還是被列為一般公路來處理沒有辦法依照實際的情境來做調整所以整個三個問題 |
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本席這邊一併提出來第一個全國性的人行與自行車安全的一個提升計畫目前是比較零散的作業還是有整體通盤性的規劃或者是改善第二個部分是有沒有全面來檢討都會區幹道自行車跟車道混用的一個問題 |
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那本席這邊也需要一個具體的時程那第三個部分是花東原鄉的地區有沒有專案型的道路安全改善的一個方案然後將人行道跟自行車的空間改善的優先順序還有跟那個動力的這個汽車的一個整個改善的這個部分能不能做提升那這個部分是不是請三個部會給本席做一個回應 |
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但是要比較具體一點啦 不要只是原則性的那我先報告一下就是我們那個人行空間在大陸裡面的那這個部分在整個計畫裡面的優先推動是屬於車站學校以及商圈就是在都市計畫裡面的這些人口比較密集的地方他必須要有一些人行空間的部分優先推動 |
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所以從一開始13年開始的這個計畫裡面縣市政府都有提相關的計畫來國土署這邊做審議所以我們列了一些相關的優先順序所以每個縣市政府都依照他實際上必須要去做的他會擬一個計畫然後 |
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中央這邊才去做補助這是計畫的整個施行的一個重點那另外說那個委員有問說那個時間有沒有一個什麼時間達成什麼那這個部分我們還沒有去釐定說哪一年一定要做到什麼我們現在都是依照地方的需求那這些需求其實他會滾動檢討因為 |
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這些案子在推動不是單純一個工程界面他必須要去整合很多的不管是學校周邊民眾商圈很多的一些相關意見整合交通局警察局公務局這些所以他是一個整體性的計劃可能你講的這個部分其實在光是可能會有很多的細節包括這個相關的這個單位跟人等 |
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本席這邊提醒一點你們在可能在一個計畫的施行上也要提醒各縣市政府整個系統的連結剛才本席這邊也談到斷點跟中斷那整個人行空間的系統性連結本席在實地走的時候 |
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像我記得我在高雄不知道哪一個就從路邊要走到那個相關的橋的那個道路我就找不到人行道找不到人行道這樣問題我覺得都會跟原鄉都有這樣子的問題的產生所以可能在計畫的一個施行上你們是不是應該也把這個部分也列成一個各縣市政府在提報的時候也需要注意的一個重點這個我們會特別注意好 謝謝 |
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那我就委員關心的大概兩個啦一個剛才是特別提到自行車的一個那自行車的一個推動呢在叫人跟人自行車跟人沒有錯那原則上呢我們自行車現在是在推動串聯串聯所有的路網那目前為止大概全國大概有3861公里的自行車道 |
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那針對這一部分我們今年在今年年底又會推出所謂環二線就是把台灣又環起來的那大概有1000多公里那這其中專用的部分達到37%意思就是說我們非常重視這樣的一個自行車也好或行人也好 |
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大家可以發現很多現在徒步環島也是走在我們的自行車道所以其實自行車道上一定的專用跟一定的一個改善其實是有助於自行車業或徒步環島這邊其實也提到一個問題就是說剛本席這邊提的其實是有兩個部分一個是說那個 |
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所謂自行車道那自行車道裡面你說很多行人都走在自行車道嘛所以自行車道跟行人能夠走的這其實是在這個原鄉或者是城鎮的道路上也是一個問題然後連帶的這個問題就是說那行人自行自行車跟行人其實已經 |
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有點局限了很局促然後但是呢那個動力車呢擠壓到自行車道跟行人道也是一個問題所以兩個問題一個是自行車道跟行人道這怎麼去把這個路幅有可能的跟國土署看這邊我們能夠怎麼樣去 |
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國土署有所謂的人本交通的一個有關人行道的設置相關的一個規定那我們也說明過了原則上在省道的部分或是在都外的部分我們採用的標準也是跟國土署一樣所以以後的這個規劃設計或改善的部分有關人行道會一直出來 |
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那最後跟委員報告一個有關那個剛才委員特別很關心的就是這個部落的相關的道路就是部落或是原住民地區的道路那原則上是這樣只要是原民地區他是有道路編號的這個在我們的公路局的這個生活圈裡頭都可以提出相關的一個計畫來做改善 |
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但是如果是屬於部落之間的聯絡道那是屬於原民會在做處理的所以可能要用這樣兩個方式來做改善 以上好 謝謝你的補充所以其實本席一直提出那個所謂徒步的本席在其他的這個單位有提到這個聖雅各路這樣一個徒步路網的一個系統對 所以你剛才講的這個部分其實這兩照怎麼樣來針對這個路網去做沒有界面中斷的一個連結我想這是未來一個努力的方向這也是我們努力的方向 是不是 |
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好 謝謝 那請持續關注一下這件事情那本席的這個辦公室也會跟你們來follow後來的一個 接下來的一個進度 好不好好 沒問題 謝謝 謝謝委員我們下一位請林月琴委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩我們的內政部部長跟國土署署長麻煩部長跟署長 |
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部長早部長指南路二段作為政大商圈的主要路段那人行道也因督跟與徵收的問題沒辦法拓寬那曾因不符道路交通標誌跟標線號誌設置的規則標準而沒辦法設紅綠燈造成人車衝突多年那師生也多次陳情被總備說他們會塞車的然後被擋回 |
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行動不變則就是顯像環生最窄僅74公分今年不同的是學生跟地方人士組成了交通改善小組透過參與式預算及全民參與街道改善平台提案成功獲得全額補助紅綠燈得以設置 道路得以改善 |
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部長這個案例呢很值得肯定的是可是也凸顯了一個問題因為是透過你們的這樣的一個補助才能改善可是如果沒有學生跟民眾站出來的話那這條僅74公分的人行道行人被迫與車爭道的一個狀況是否會因為會塞車而被無限期的擱置呢部長 |
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報告委員 委員講的沒有錯就是我們原來的機制就是地方政府提上來之後我們來做審查但是現在因為地方政府可能因為有時間上的關係或者是說沒有顧慮到這個協調的部分所以會經過街道醫生的方式上來審查那所以我們還是一樣就提供這多元的方式讓地方的民眾可以在參加這個全民參與街道改善平台裡面辦理這樣子的一個這個部分 |
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那確實沒有錯這裡面包括有地下管線還有空間協調等等那我們也看到這個人行道只有74公分所以會產生這個顯像的環生可是我們也要了解這個本來的道路面積跟道路上面的使用確實有這個局限性沒有辦法按照我們平常所知道的這個通用的規則來辦理市長 部長我們都很重視人本交通像這樣長達10年的安全問題我覺得中央是否應該建立主動介入的機制 |
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當地方長期消極處理能夠怎麼去督促改善時程或是也建議透過修法或是建立鼓勵機制加以推動否則的話這問題對我們的很弱勢的行人事實上是相對不安全的 |
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我想林委員所提到的就是我們盡量用輔導或服務的方式來代替說修法然後管制因為大家都知道每個人有不同的聲音包括商圈或者是說行人或者是住家每個人意見都不一樣確實是很難整合部長因為我們的交通事故傷亡也比較高而且也有賴你們這次有這個案子才讓他們十年多的問題解決 |
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那我們覺得往前推是不是可以更快一點再麻煩部長可以去思考一下啦那再來就是部長以全民參與街道的改善平台為例民眾一票一票的選出的18條的指標性優先要改善的路段 |
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至今只有一條那剩下的全部都卡在規劃中跟輔導中那現實上地方在推動我們的道路改革過程當中遇到了非常多的問題往往導致地方政府為快速提升人行道的覆蓋率的時候往往就會犧牲掉優先要改善的反而去改善了什麼改善了新開闢的道路因為這種路段阻力比較小 |
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所以部長每一次你們只有通過10條的道路入選未來是不是有能夠增加因為既然我剛剛講前面那個效果這麼好的話那入選的時候就可以趕快確實去執行我請署長來跟您講一下 |
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跟委員報告我們其實非常重視這個街道醫生的這些票選那每一年分兩梯次一梯次就是10案所以總共有20案那這20個案當中確實民眾票選出來的都是很不好做的所以我們其實在過程當中同事我們的同仁跟 |
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縣市政府那邊的溝通以及指導這個東西花了非常多時間那後來後面的部分我們也會加緊跟地方政府來溝通目前已經有的案件趕快來完成那新的案件我們也會加速來推動是 署長那我覺得未來是不是可以考慮就是因為國土署宣稱對縣市政府有所謂的陳述加權的機制所以針對縣市政府認為的一個熱點區域如果有在做票數的加成可不可以考慮一下 |
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用高事故的路段來評估是否有高成數的一個加成為什麼這樣講因為要提醒的是最需要的街道改善的往往是老人跟小孩或是身上好朋友們但他們也是最難接觸網路的所以最不可能會在平台上去投票的一群 |
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所以在以網路的投票跟票數排序的為主的這樣的一個制度下他們的需求很容易被忽略那如果政府只是用被動的等待上網去參與的話等於把發聲權交給誰交給會用網路的人而不是最需要安全的人有沒有辦法這樣子一個考量 |
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跟委員報告大概網路上面我們會用不同的一個主題來去做票選譬如說依照是路段等等或者是事故事故發生比較多的這個沒有問題那另外委員剛剛提的就是說有些不會用網路的他怎麼來去表達這些聲音這個部分我們再來去研擬一些可不可以針對這些有的資產去做加權對 透過地方的一些里長等等的一些溝通或者是提一些相關的資訊 |
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這個我們來去研究看怎麼去做麻煩署長研議之後相關資料給我們最後就是我覺得部長不是只有政大現在有很多地方反映就是所謂的溝通其實就是施工前的通知我以台中經營商圈來為例最後事實 |
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多個店家去連署反對原因不是反對人行道事實上是因為政策過空當中他們的意見事實上是沒有納入的但我知道台中這個案子不是全民參與街道改善平台的案子而目前國土署在推動的人行道改善計畫往往也只專注於陸服的寬度跟行人安全 |
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可是卻忽略商圈那個商圈區域的一個特殊性商圈內不是只有行人還有我們的物流進貨跟我們的家長接送跟身上上下車兒童視距的這些需求所以如果只畫一個綠色標線沒有配套或者是我們內凹式的閉車彎的話結果就導致全面圍停所以我不知道說這是不是未來可以考慮到 |
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空間配置的需求而且明確要求地方政府必須召開利害關係人參與的公聽會或協調會有辦法嗎 |
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跟委員報告其實目前我們大概這些案子在執行過程當中都有在我們的SOP也就是說地方上面會影響到的影響到的範圍或者是他需要去協助配合的我們都會跟他們揭露都會講得很清楚所以這個案子我們會再跟台中市政府這邊來去溝通一下看怎麼樣跟地方那邊做比較好的溝通那不是不是只有針對這一些案子才會去要求我們所有的每個案子目前在提報過程我們都會跟他們 |
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跟他們會去要求說這些細節都要特別的去注意好 謝謝因為我覺得最後還是希望加強施工的時候跟地方居民溝通還有主動實地訪查跟改革道路需求因為我覺得這個案子我真的是非常肯認也希望在有系統有規劃的時候能夠達到我們真的是在往我們的人本交通邁進謝謝 |
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好 我們下一位請李貞秀委員發言謝謝主席有請交通部次長上台請我們陳次長上台次長好 前幾次的質詢包含院會的總質詢執政黨展現出來的傲慢歷史會有記錄 |
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我不想浪費那個政治口水今年二月本席就開始走反東部地區今天我要就花蓮台東在地民眾最關心的道路交通問題向交通部和內政部來反映民眾的心聲 |
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首先請教陳次長花東的鄉親等一條安全回家的路真的等太久了每次只要一遇到颱風地震國人的心就跟著懸在半空中行政院已經核定的舒化案計劃總經費高達1056億這對花東交通建設本來是一個契機目前規劃東澳到南澳的路段據說已經核定最快今年底要發包正式動工 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9155.976 |
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本席要在這裡替鄉親問一句市長今年底的發包交通不能確保順利動工嗎所以市長回答不了這個問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
現在大環境缺工缺料這麼嚴重年底的工程會不會流標一言再言花東人真的不能再等了但是賴政府的交通部次長來到立法院民眾等不到答案要問交通部超過一千億的預算五年多的工期交通部有沒有把握在2032年如期完工全線通車 |
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次長 現在你不敢回答 不敢保證完工期限 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9232.067 |
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我要提醒1056億不是空白支票交通部必須確實的掌握進度排除缺工缺料的因素不能等半年後再來跟我們說無法發包這才叫負責任的政府我們要的不是一個只有點頭說會努力的交通部我們要的是一個崗位花東人安全負責的交通部這條路本席會幫花東的鄉親持續監督 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
再來 蘇花安的施工進度 除了蘇花安的施工進度本席也關心蘇花安施工過程中台灣的原住民族群正義是否有被兼顧到 |
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蘇華安這條路會經過非常多的原鄉部落依照原住民族基本法必須落實部落的諮商與同意程序開路本來是好事但絕不能犧牲在地族人的權益現在很多原民族人在問公務局的土地徵收標準到底在哪 |
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目前針對土地的徵收費用每坪最高可以到3000元最低卻只有1500元花蓮秀林鄉的和平村目前用最高標準徵收重德地區的其他原住民部落是不是也可以比照這個標準市長有回應嗎 |
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很多原住民鄉親表示為了國家建設同意政府徵收大家的耕地但補償的機制要健全針對公路局目前的徵收計畫本席要問徵收金額的評估標準是什麼能夠確保鄉親有合理公平的補償嗎 |
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市長看來你都說不清楚然後我其實已經幫你查好了秀林鄉和平村崇德村之間的地價差異不能只看實價登錄崇德市進入太魯閣門戶的觀光重鎮公路局不能只單純用地價來衡量必須再重新檢討徵收差異補償的基準 |
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雖然崇德居民過半數同意了這項開發但請記得原基法第21條不是過長的法條更不是部落辦一個公聽會簽個名就可以結束了本席建議交通部可以參考國外的經驗將公路相關收益提撥一定比例回饋當地部落的發展 |
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要善用原住民族地區的地理優勢發展觀光觀光是交通部的權責交通部應該要支持原鄉發展各種類型的旅遊方案讓有能力的原住民族人能夠在自己的家鄉發展而不是等蘇花安通過後被迫離開家鄉只能到市區尋找工作機會 |
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再來主席要麻煩幫我請那個內政部長一起上台備詢好 麻煩劉部長上備詢台我們來看那個災後重建前陣子花蓮光復鄉馬太安西的那個煙塞湖的那個洪災我的服務團隊一直密集的走訪光復鄉 |
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目前光復鄉市區的那個馬太昂部落太巴蘭部落淤泥已經清的差不多了但我要提醒災後重建不能只是輕輕淤泥就了事現在極端氣候已經是常態了連接各個村落的鄉道每次遇到大雨就中斷鄉親根本出不來部落直接成為孤島中央政府在這次重建中有沒有把防災任性納入道路升級的考量 |
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所以內政部長這邊也沒有回應本席具體要求民眾要的是一條平常好走齋實能夠保命的任性道路內政部能不能在這裡具體承諾將關乎市區通往各村鄉的抗災能力納入改善項目 |
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希望會有書面的回應中央政府應該要主導而不是推給地方政府光復的鄉親要的是政府有具體行動馬太安溪的菸篩湖是一個沉痛的教訓如果這次我們只會清淤泥鋪柏油再有下一次洪災來的時候就是政府在草菅人命請內政部具體答覆馬太安溪菸篩湖防災的具體時間表 |
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交通與居住安全是民眾最基本的需求不論是千億規模的舒花庵還是馬太安溪的災後重建本市要嚴正呼籲賴政府該回來好好做事重視花東民眾的權益謝謝好 謝謝李貞秀委員的發言今天探討的議題都非常的重要 謝謝您有要回應嗎 |
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好我們下一位請吳啟明委員發言好謝謝我們召委我們一位同仁請我們的國土署我們的蔡署長蔡署長 |
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蔡署長針對我們人行道德安全我們推動這幾年推動的街道醫生也受到非常好的好評尤其我們街道醫生我們所提出來的由我們中央這邊全力來推動那本市也了解 |
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在本席的社區啦本席的社區叫土城三峽土城三峽我們中央路那一邊的磁器已經都完工了上天我跟我們內政部我們的董事長還有我們的組長蔡組長也有到現場本席比他更關心的就是這些人行道尤其在我們的醫生國小 |
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包含明德路那一邊也現在持續在做那就是益生路本席這邊有三個案子就益生路還有學翔街還有三峽的文化路這三個地方益生路這個地方是在我們的校園旁邊尤其是個國小 |
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國小園的人行道這都讓小朋友孩童的出入這個地段是一個需要極力的趕快去做改善所以我是說這個地方又是一個校園學區這個地方是不是可以優先列入我們這道醫生所提出來在網路評比這個地方 |
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是吉利德應該要來作為優先的考量市民署長跟委員報告齁那個街道醫生那個是要依照投票的那剛剛委員的講的應該就是說如果他不是在投票裡面的就是一般放到我們的一般性的評估案裡面那剛剛 |
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剛剛提到了目前的這個狀況因為我們有一些評比有一些權重那聽起來如果是屬於這些校園周邊的這些重要性的應該他的最後評比出來的分數應該會很高好如果說評比沒有入圍的話是不是說優先這個入段為優先入段 |
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一個如果200票裡面我們都會列入優先路以上都會列入優先優先改善路段這個部分沒有問題沒問題吧好謝謝因為我們現在會長 |
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多的道路,尤其人行道,尤其在我們的學區旁邊,這都是小朋友出入小朋友出入,你說很多都是國小的,這個所在應該要列為優先,來優先路段來實施因為我們孩子,孩子為何會跑,孩子不能去跑道所以說在這個部分 |
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我們可以一力維護今天安全尤其我們四年過去我記得在上面我們四年四百億人行道的安全補助我希望在這個部分一定要趕緊落實就好這個部分我們會照我們原來的一個目標那像學校部分的一個重點我們也會加速來執行 |
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好的謝謝好就這樣好謝謝我們下一位請洪孟凱委員發言好召委謝謝麻煩請我們內政部劉部長以及交通部陳次長 |
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好 麻煩劉部長 陳次長好 部長 次長今天我們討論這個交通的議題那本席要點出一個重點就是我們測速照相的一個部分我想我們的召委也都非常關心我們可以先請教一下不管是部長或次長我們測速照相的目的到底是什麼 |
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可以按開麥克風來市長簡單講這不是陷阱題啦你就是講車速照相的目的是什麼其實大家都知道速度的管理速度是對交通安全是有一定的影響所以車速照相或取地我們要的是要安全我們是希望能夠提升用路人的安全不是說我要為了要罰錢對不對好感謝那再來全台灣到目前全台灣我們現在有多少次的車速照相 |
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委員好 跟委員報告現在全台灣的測速桿的部分一共有18861886那我們一年全台灣這樣子有多少的這個超速的案件平均下來每一支一年會拍幾張測速照相有沒有這樣的統計我們有 |
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這都不是陷阱題我們現在很客觀實務的來討論就是說我們的超速的問題以及我們怎麼樣防範有沒有一個數據譬如說我們全台灣1800多支測速照相機大家有沒有一個思考點或是說有好奇心那一支平均一年會拍幾張測速照相超速 |
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平均的話是我們這邊沒有說一個確實的一個等級但是現在每一年的測數是有慢慢在遞減有慢慢在遞減沒關係那有沒有沒有平均概念差不多一支三千件兩千件平均的話大概一件一支大概也會有 |
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兩到三千 好兩到三千 謝謝來那部長次長我們現在來探討一個重點平均一支測速照相是兩千到三千件那確實的數字可以再調但是本席跟內政部警政署調了一個資料是過去大家沒有去想到的那就到底是全六都縣市前十名的測速照相他的弱點集中在哪邊以及他拍的案件數有多少你看一下台南 |
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第一名是台南第一名我們看到是這個永康區的這個高速一階他有八千多件一年那即便是到第十名他也有兩千多件那我為什麼會請同仁會去畫這個顏色呢就代表說連續三年他前十名基本上都是這一些測速照相的地點那換言之是什麼 |
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就代表說這前10名其實都是很搶錢的一個測速照相而有沒有去做改善如果說你真的認為說那個地方有安全疑慮的話我們就應該重點著手譬如說從道路的設計從標線的規劃從事前的指引告訴用路人說這個地方相對來講很容易被拍照所以你應該要去做調整但很遺憾的是從112年、113年到114年的資料 |
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前十名基本上都是這一些那我就想啦是不是只有台南是這個樣子不是喔我們再來看台北市我們剛剛講說全台灣一年一支測速照相是兩千到三千件但你看台北市第一名有幾千件上萬兩萬多件是我們全台測速照相的七倍之多 |
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那什麼意思就代表說在這個地點裡面經過的用路人很明顯的在那邊就容易超速那但是超速的成因到底是那邊的樹線明顯比用路人的觀感來得 |
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還是說那裡的道路設計真的有問題讓民眾經過那邊的時候沒有辦法減速那如果說只是一年那也就算了可是你看連續三年111年 112年 113年到114年第一名全部都是水源快速道路往南所以換言之大家即便是在那邊被拍到怕了可是還是沒有解決問題啊 |
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就是說用路人沒有因為說你的道路設計變慢或是說你的道路設計怎麼樣調整讓用路人到那邊自然而然可以相對比較慢的速度而反而一直被拍照那這樣子只變成是說用路人沒有辦法解決安全的問題國庫增加沒有錯可是我們的目的並不是要罰款嘛我們的目的是要讓大家能夠安全的減速嘛是不是這樣子 |
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跟委員報告其實委員有點出這個重點所以從去年的12月開始就有委員跟在我們內政或是交通委員會都有特別點出來所以我們就開始有邀請過交通部跟專家學者還有我們地方政府來做一個研討我們有修正就是取締一般交通違規的作業程序針對測速桿的這些設置我們有訂了一些原則 |
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跟要汰換的一些機制每半年要去檢討一次所以我們這個部分我們已經在逐漸但重點在於你不是說在這邊因為拍的多或少然後你如果說一開始如同次長開宗明義表達其實測速照相我們的用意跟目的都是為了安全 |
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那應該重點在於是說我們針對這前十名好 一千多隻我沒有辦法一年全部改善但是每年至少每都都改善前十名它的道路設計有沒有可以更精進讓用路人經過的時候可以自然來放慢速度因為我們知道嘛從過去這幾年大家講行人地獄或是說我們參考日本政府的做法其實日本很大的一個觀念都是他們從道路設計著手 |
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讓大家自然而然比較在那個地方沒有辦法開快那自然而然他的肇事率就會下降所以這需要什麼配合第一需要內政部警政署的配合因為你要了解這個資料我已經幫你整理出來了這也是警政署提供給我的資料第二要交通部跟內政部國土署這邊去針對這至少前十名如果每年我們都可以改善前十名那這前十名他也許預期到今年這個第一名他就不會是第一名了 |
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那這樣子自然而然民怨可以下降可是安全也可以提升還有更重要的是我們確實有對症下藥來 再來看一下新北市本席的選區就有三個地方石門 林口 泰山都是本席選區而這連續三年都榜上有名甚至第一名石門區這個台二線27.5它就變成是每年都五六千件六七千件 |
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那就代表我相信不是人經過石門特別愛超速嘛而是應該是那邊的道路設計看似比較寬容易超速或者是說那裡的速限相對明顯定的比較低還是有什麼樣的一個考量但是如果你沒有改善我今天不是要取消測速照相喔我今天是說應該要針對這前十名你要去了解他的成因為何該改善的地方要改善那這才能夠真真正正的把 |
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我們講說頭痛醫頭 腳痛醫腳但是現在你看到頭痛了你不能只醫腳啊你要看到頭痛的地方你要醫頭啊所以本席才講說這是對症下藥 |
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所以可不可以具體的承諾因為今天我覺得這個事情它會是一個比較中長期的計畫但我期待的是內政部、交通部兩個部會要合作把這個資料給調出來之後每年針對各縣市的前10名的測數照相多的地方它就是違規熱點違規熱點就應該地方政府跟中央一起共同配合先優先針對這10個、20個違規熱點來去做一個改善可以嗎 |
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是 這部分我們會來處理您的保證我很感謝可是我還是想要聽到部長跟次長的說明來 是不是部長跟次長因為我覺得這就是一個大議題我覺得不能只是丟給警政署或不能只丟給國土署當然委員長久在關心這個交通的問題 |
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我想跟委員報告一下我們本來就有中央級的大安匯報也有地方級的大安匯報大家都知道測速照相不在於為了要幫地方政府或中央政府搶錢而是為了用路人的安全既然是為了用路人安全的話有很多工程技術面的問題現在出現的狀況會是像委員所關心的就是我們其實是穿著衣服改衣服 |
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沒有本來就這樣看現在車越來越多然後大家都會搶到或者是因為交通或是觀光發達的關係所以這個就是後端那所以我們要從頭開始去改善的話我們現在只能說就是一直滾動性的調整市長也跟我同樣的一個觀念啦市長 但是我的意思是說因為我們要滾動式改善我們也要知道說我們要從哪裡改善我們都有一定的基礎改善啊 |
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這一個資料就是我以前問過其實沒有這樣的一個資料是我特別發函請警政署去重新統計才有的資料所以我可以把這個資料原封不動的再給部長給次長因為過去沒有整理過這個資料但既然我們已經整理出這個資料我就要拜託部長次長好好運用這個資料就說至少你知道我們前十名他已經是以統計學來講 |
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應該是大多數都在中間極端的例子就變成是說他就是outlieroutlier就是變成是我們應該要優先去針對的對象讓他改善改善之後讓他趨近於中間那這樣子才符合統計上的一個意義也才是整個社會上的意義但是我們是全面性的 |
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因為我們認為義照式的路段有容易改善跟困難改善的部分所以我今天給相關的資料市長跟部長這邊可以針對這樣的資料剛剛本席也提到了是不是針對22個縣市來盤點前10名因為我現在整理的是六都那還有其他縣市的部分也需要警政署也需要內政部也需要交通部一起來做那什麼時候可以針對這個資料提供給本席那以及你們要後續做的改善的一個具體成果 |
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具體的時程成果兩個月內什麼跟委員報告這個整體的資料就針對委員剛剛所提的我們會再做一個盤點好然後盤點之後我們資料給先盤點的資料我們先送給委員是那整個監察部我們大概要三個月的時間有一定的期程我們來做 |
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好那這樣子本席能不能要求就是你盤點22縣市的前10名的這個測數照相的資料一個月內提供那你們要具體怎麼樣跟各縣市來做溝通針對這前10名本席希望看到是每年都針對前10名你就可以有個方法跟有個步驟去把錢花在刀口上真真正正的改善三個月提供改善的相關辦法跟具體的作為一個月提供22縣市的資料這樣可以嗎 |
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市長因為這個牽涉到交通部跟內政部大家共同有關道路交通所以你們兩位在這邊太好了所以我才會在招委英明的排案之下我今天特別提出來所以我是不是可以跟委員說明一下原則上內政部他們會把相關的剛才測數的這樣的資料提供出來那我們交通部會跟內政部來共同討論也會跟縣市政府來討論因為還是畢竟要跟縣市政府共同討論 |
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然後會有一個改善的方法是怎麼樣三個月內嘛好不好我們提給委員參考再麻煩重點是要執行跟落實方案來落實把錢花在刀口上改善真正容易造勢的路段然後讓安全性能夠提升好不好我們三個月把那個相關的方法提出來好 謝謝 |
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我們下一位請徐欣盈委員發言謝謝主席本席有請劉部長還有陳次長部長次長 |
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部長還有次長我想請教首先請教讓人民可以安心走路不是靠勇氣也不是靠運氣更不是靠習慣忍耐那這個不是交通問題是國家治理的底線請問部長跟次長認同嗎同意嗎回答一下吧 |
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報告委員我們從來就不會認為說這個人行道的安全或者是交通安全是要靠勇氣天下沒有這樣子的公共治理政策是國家治理或者是中央跟地方政府一起來治理那次長也認同吧認同剛才劉部長的說法所以第一個問題本席想請教兩位我們四年400億內政部260億交通部140億 |
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那我們看到從112年到114年底呢你們的報告裡面寫行人死亡只下降了6.8%所以本席想請教部長跟市長這樣的成效你們認為人民可以接受嗎 |
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想跟委員做一個說明原則上就我的問題回來你們覺得人民可以接受我剛才有在其他的答詢過只要有人員的死亡對於行政部門都是無法接受的都是我們需要深刻檢討的本席所指的是這個兩年我們發現下降了6.8這樣的成效您個人可以接受嗎 |
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呃這個我因為我每個月我都主持相關的這個道安會報我都會說呃持續是在下降的一個趨勢但是呢他的成果不盡理想需要大家中央跟地方大家共同繼續努力那劉部長您對這樣的覺得這樣的成效人民可以我認同剛剛部長呃剛剛那個交通部次長講的話我們來持續精進那本席的問題是你認為人民可以接受 |
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第一個我沒有辦法代表人民但是我跟委員報告我跟委員報告我們所提供的數據是114年較112年但是整體的這個計畫他是跨到117年所以我們持續在精進當中我當然知道你的回答我都知道但我的問題是你覺得人民可以接受嗎你認為嗎你的看法我不敢代表人民 |
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我無法代表全體人民我只能說站在我們政府的立場上面會有持續精進持續精進那本席請教兩位如果一個已經改善過的路口他還是發生了死亡事故請問因為這經費來自內政部跟交通部請問有沒有回頭檢討的這種制度有沒有 |
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就在過去我們這樣一直做我們很多的工程很多的標線那等於是如果當然我有看到裡面目前這一次這四年的計畫案只有155件完成那所以本席問的是制度就是說你針對你已經做過的工程包含過去我們為了人本交通或為了行人的安全我們 |
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已經完成的有沒有在做後續到底他改善的情況或者甚至他又發生了重大的事故那當然事故有很多原因本席要問的有沒有回頭檢討的制度所有的計畫都有before after的評估所以剛才特別講到 |
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即便我們人本的這個計畫我們也有相關的評估說它是改善有什麼樣的一個成效那委員剛才特別提到說如果說有重大事故其實重大事故大概都是指死亡的事故那死亡的事故我們了解各縣市的這個道安會報他們或者警察單位他們都會針對這個來做個案的review來尋求這個到底是如何造成的然後再繼續改善都會有 |
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那我們中央因為錢是中央撥的嘛那中央這邊等於就他們他的成效會顯現在他的這個道安的這個整體的死亡人數上那我們每個月都會去review他這樣各縣市的一個情形來督促他們做改善所以有我們有KPI嗎 |
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有啊 我們每個縣市我們大概都有因為我們宣告說有降一定的比例所以每個縣市我們都會有給他自己的成效跟自己比每一年大概是減少多少 怎麼樣每個月的情形怎麼樣然後如果每個月的情形有惡化的趨勢的話我們就會特別提醒他要做相關的改善像這些KPI 人民會知道嗎 人民看得到嗎 |
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我們把這樣的一個各縣市的一個成果公布在我們的所謂的交通總動員上 安全的總動員上人民還是可以看得到各縣市的一個成果那個是不是有什麼要補充給市長不是 他是要告訴我說網站 我們交通安全總動員的網站那本席也想請教就是說 因為 |
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這個政府在施政然後給經費然後地方政府執行那真正感受的或者是好壞就是民眾像這一些比如說我們的KBI裡面有沒有民調有沒有座談會或公聽會 |
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再更細的話 各縣市政府呢因為我們每一年大概都會有盜安就是你們給經費你們在這一塊的掌握我現在就想說他每一年我們都會有盜安督導匯報到各縣市去就是去督導那督導的時候呢他們都會提出他們的相關的一個民意調查的一個結果所以這個是給經費的時候必要的一定要有民調這在各縣市政府都會來做有做訪會或公聽會嗎 |
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座談會公聽會就要依照他自己改善的一個必要性他會來召開本席這樣問的意思就是說因為我們中央給經費是不是可以有一些明確的規範要地方政府一起來做譬如剛剛我們一開始提到的 |
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他改善了結果還是一直發生那有這種情況的時候我們等於是給經費的中央單位對地方的規範是什麼有沒有明確一點我們在相關的申請須知裡頭或者相關的規範裡頭都有要求連續三年要將他的改善的情形來提報出來所以有連續的追蹤的機制在裡面然後有沒有確實執行 |
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當然要啊 他有這樣的話因為我們呢是在我們交通部是由公路局各區的這個工程處他們來負責督導所以他們每個月都會有跟相關的交通或公路工程的單位來做討論所以現在除了交通部 那內政部拿了260億的話那內政部這邊的督導我相信內政部應該也有一定的機制 |
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報告委員我們各地的警察局跟交通隊天天都在宣導交通安全所以不是只有技術面的改善宣導當然是一塊那宣導的部分就是也是在做民調我們是針對工程的成效還有民眾的感受軟硬體都要一起但是本席問的是這一塊 |
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那而且呢每個里長啦或者是鄉鎮長如果有這樣子的狀況的話我們幾乎都會到現場因為那個各地警察都有交通隊他們一定都知道這個狀況所以我們國土署給下去的經費那如果改善之後還是發生了這個這種重大事故我們有這種機制報告委員您把這個實際上的案例告訴我們一定會來檢討改進 |
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所以我本席今天質詢最大的重點就是說人本交通它不只是工程更重要的是責任我們希望可以把這種理念變成一種制度再把制度變成責任那我們最後我們政府的這種責任就是要把它變成每一條讓人民真正安全的道路這一塊我們希望的是落實而且是讓民眾感受得到 |
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好 謝謝部長跟次長我們下一位請邱志偉委員發言好 謝謝主席 |
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請內政部劉部長休息一下休息一下請這個國度署蔡署長交通部陳次長陳次長請這個署長我們是老朋友又是同鄉 |
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這個對您期待非常多 您的專業 您的處理事情的能力本席予以給你高度的肯定先從您的報告來看 這個計畫從1130年到1160年投入400億內政部260億 交通部140億 分4年來執行對不對總預算沒有審 還沒有付尾 |
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會不會影響到這項計畫的預算額度這些都要補助給地方政府去做道路改善以今年度來看影響的預算在內政委多少影響的預算如果啊這個沒有副委內政委會沒有審 李柏惟沒有審這個會不會影響到今年度預算 |
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跟委員報告我們大概這個人行空間的這個部分我們大概是延續去年的一個預算是37億那但是我們因為這個預算的部分沒有核定所以我們在跟各縣市政府的一個核定的時間其實已經有落後這事實上難行嘛本來1月要做的現在變成5月可能到年底才能做這個部分已經有落後那我們也擔心說以後預算的是否會通過這個最大受害者就是用路人 |
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就是市民朋友就是所有這個台灣人民對不對所以我覺得還是以昌生為念這個該省的預算還是要趕在省該通過預算通過之後政策跟計畫才能確實去執行來教安部陳次長陳次長影響到這個計畫教安部的部分有多少錢我們115年編的 |
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20.4億那如果總預算沒審呢總預算沒審的話原則上我們會就是工程也會延後對實行也會造成困難對不對 |
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該做的可能又延後做可能有一些就不能做了但是如果地方我們有一些預審的機制所以會那預審你到最後還是錢要撥下去嗎對但是錢要撥的話就有它的困難好謝謝次長先回座還是繼續請教一下蔡署長這個我們都來自岡山岡山有很多重要的這個交通建設需要你大力支持當然這個國路組 |
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我這個很多預算來協助特別我舉幾項這個大概我跟你講過大概也好多次了朱公園窟中正路接南梓園港路要炮通這是國路署一件路案但是沒有經費菜寮路也講了快三年了高雄市政委包上來另外湖內區的東方路連接正義社區道路開閉也講了三年了 |
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我希望今天在這邊特別跟你拜託是不是這三項能夠支持今年就把預算合計這個是地方所有的市民朋友因應其判判了三年不能讓他再判第四年署長你答應一下你say yes一下跟我們報告你如果say yes我要請部長上來 |
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不是我們有固定的這個提報程序我知道啦但是我要希望你說這起碼你心理上是支持的嘛我說你心理上支持沒有說你預算上一定馬上要支持嘛心理上支持但是還是要按照程序來去提報那程序當然我們要尊重程序啦但是你多一點點關心 |
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越早就會達成這個興建把他放在心裡面好不好你如果這三條路不開我會每次來我都每次都在請教你我會一直問一直問一直問問到這三條路開通 |
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另外這個橋樓新市鎮橋樓新市鎮這個第三期牽涉到橋樓科技園區橋樓科技園區當初是劉部長當副市長的時候他提議所以我尊稱他為橋科之母所以橋樓科技園區帶動北高雄的發展我們目標是建立這個鋼橋副都區鋼橋科技副都區 |
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李橋的科技園區是這個半導體的全世界半導體製造中心之一最重要的核心中的核心是S狼帶的中心點再搭配百普園區所以未來鋼橋有條件成為高雄的科技副都心 |
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所以你要成為副都市會牽動很多的專業人士 工程師等等所以住的需求 交通的需求就非常非常重要所以你知道我在說一之一跟二十三這兩條東西巷跟南北巷如果沒有開這個園區裡面 新市鎮裡面人出不來 交通會打擊也造成整個橋頭區 甚至岡山區交通的大癱瘓 |
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針對這一 之一 二十三我希望國土署能夠加快速度去進行你跟我們報告這個部分我們已經加快了那包含現在在做的一些都市計畫開發所以署裡面的立場是全力支持而且是全力支持在那個火速加緊趕工好 謝謝 |
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接著我們請蔡易瑜委員發言謝謝我們先請這個交通部次長陳次長 道安師副市長還有公路局副局長委員好 |
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市長好 市長事實上我關心的就是我們阿里山公路阿里山公路目前他會三樓 數限30數限30也就是代表說你不管上坡下坡就是30 |
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速限規定起來非常的嚴格而且這個嚴格就會變成說現在阿里山觀光正在回來包括整個阿里山火車的推動包括整個鄒族部落的一些遊客 |
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這樹線山石動不動就是去開就發大尤其這科技執法真的是罰單這開下去就變得說有時候他們下坡你車差不多大一個就超過40了就發大這個對於很多我們在觀光上那個人要來然後後來吃到一張罰單這個有一點困擾所以說 |
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整個樹線這可以檢討得比較細膩嗎就是說對一段斜坡多的樹線還是說上坡跟下坡可以有不同的標準嗎這個是不是請有誰可以來回答市長我請那個副局長 |
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阿里山公路台18線這個速限的問題其實在地方其實很多人在關心這個案子 |
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那當初速限的問題是因為發生很多大事故以後那有些彎道或是坡彎道的部分大概沒辦法達到那個速限的標準所以他去設限那其實很多民眾也有反應因為這樣造成警察單位去超速開單那這個部分我們想說未來我們再跟警察 |
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跟嘉義縣的道安匯報以及嘉義縣的單位我們再做整體的檢查就是剛剛委員講的上坡跟下坡有沒有可能再去處理或是路段的部分再去做討論路段是不是檢討一下再來就是地方也有建議他們建議就是說當然我們也不希望說因為有時候一些山路就會有一些飆車族會想要去那邊飆那地方會困擾但是能不能針對不然就是說假日的時候 |
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假日的時候予以卓度放寬為什麼要在家 因為假日觀光客本來就比較多比較沒有人去飆車那種去飆的大概都是平日啦比較沒有車 主人車這些就沒有了嘛事實上假日的時候本身第一個也是希望這個車流量可以舒緩可是你這個箱子綁在那邊真的很容易造成來晚的旅客被開單 |
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是委員我想這個公路局會去檢討那其實在高速公路上他也有針對那種大型車輛跟其他車輛有不同的速限那剛才特別提到的阿里山公路上早期所謂的事故大概都是大車上大家上阿里山下阿里山的時候因為上還好下的時候是 |
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希望控制他的速度下坡的時候所以在很多的遊覽車在很多的旅客產生事故所以才有一定的速限那如果可以就大車跟小車來做分流的管理我覺得這也是一個方向好那可以請那可以先回那我是下一個我請這個內政部我們劉部長 |
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委員好部長因為我知道5月這個我們的這個老宅延壽的計畫即將要上路老屋延壽那這個真的是得證哇我地方好多人都在跟我反映他們希望加入尤其是我們知道我們太多地社區的這一些六樓六樓的這個老房子他過去就是他們沒有管理委員會就是他們沒有一條公基金 |
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沒有電梯那邊就很多本來要坐的修繕沒有做或者是說沒有電梯那你現在的老人家來說你沒有電梯他在那邊爬樓梯都是很危險的所以真的是這個政策可能來真的有貼到大家都覺得很棒可是站在我們的立場我們不敢去宣傳 |
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因為部長你也知道這個是我們是當時用特別預算嘛對去抓了50億那50億分佈全國來說真的就很少回到我們嘉義事實上就沒幾件所以我不敢去選團我具體建議就是說部長有沒有可能今年度看起來總預算就被藍白卡成這樣了至少這一個德政 |
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這大家都說好有沒有可能我們現在即將可能會明年的預算的時候我們把它列為我們的本預算裡面就不用再用特別預算你是說116年的概算是嗎現在行政院正要求各部會在邊概算如果我們覺得有需要的話呢我們會把它加進去但是我們確實是沒有提因為50億是放在特別預算也是大院同意的 |
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那剛剛那個委員所提到的這個部分我們來改進不過我也要請這個委員回去可以敦促就是說每個地方政府啊趕快成立他的輔導服務團隊這個輔導服務團隊呢通常我們都會請類似像建築師公會這個來協助因為阿公阿嬤不知道他改善他到底要怎麼聽這個事情大現在就是說我們地方政府也有為難因為我們那裡分店沒幾間 |
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個位數的案件所以 不一定不一定看起來是這樣 個位數案件我們不敢去現在真的很難去決定說到底要從要從哪一個老宅先來 因為他真的是 |
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就這麼多的 這麼多人 大家搖搖待步的沒有啦 委員你很擔心這個很小事啦 保健委員會啦我們按照每一個管制的分配數來看啦當然要看那個不一樣的這個財政分級啦我們加以關 這裡是2億 |
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對有兩億人兩億可以改善的補償也是很多還是有一些人但是就是要溝通我要跟委員說我們現在當時要申請的人搞不清楚他要怎麼聽那段我告訴你因為這有百分之百的同意嘛 |
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因為你如果是四樓到六樓,結結就是四樓還是六樓我跟委員講,我如果再加衛福部,再加經濟部衛福部是什麼東西,譬如說老大人他可能他的門要拆掉,不然他的無障礙空間會太小這他不能提到可以 |
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再來就是老舊的電線 整個挖掉不是只有挖電車街上的因為電線如果老舊的話 燈光昏暗也會影響老人家的居住安全這都衛福部或是內政部可以補貼 |
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這部分我們地方政府才會來講啦積極的來打這一杯我們都不會把這個服務團隊我們是百分之百嘛只要是服務團隊的話縣市政府的那個標案我們都百分之百補助而且那個建築師他在每一個服務案裡面他會得到的這個補助費是由中央來負擔地方政府不用負擔是啦 所以補充我就要重申這行政策真的是貼近民意啦大家知道 |
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都很期待這一個政策的上路我們也希望這個政策也不要只有在特別預算這一次看到未來可以延續這樣的一個方向未來也是特別預算會更好因為如果要編列內政部還是不夠啊像經濟部他的家電太舊ESCO的部分他們就有總共是68億 |
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譬如說我們的冰箱,相隔20年、30年,你要改做綠能冰箱也是可以一起申請,我們現在把三個部會都合作為所以為什麼我們的申請表格會比較多,因為三個部會要把很多申請表格弄得很清楚不是那麼容易,我想在座委員都知道,不是說來申請就好,再來處住本身要看有這是什麼事情 |
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所以要跟委員說我們還是繼續來想辦法如果需要我們可以去辦說明會我們會去做說明我們也會要求縣市地方政府也辦說明會我們有過這個選舉的表達我們幫他辦一次而已 人有夠多那個嘉義市的王委員這樣跟我講辦一次後忽然間有一點害怕說要再繼續辦因為人這麼多消化得完 |
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我們接下來請葉元之委員發言 |
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主席好 先請交通部好 那陳次長次長好 委員好之前我有關心過區間測速的問題但是之前在交通委員會每次問到交通部交通部都推給內政部所以我先跟你確認幾件事情等一下再請內政部幫忙一下看是不是真的是內政部的事 |
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就是說就我而言 區間測速我認為是有必要檢討 兩個原因第一個原因 開車安全應該是要以注意前方為主但是因為區間測速的關係它是算頭尾的速率 然後平均速率有沒有超過所以會導致大家在過程當中一直盯著儀表板第二個是 其實超速有的時候它是開得太順代表說你的速率可能盯得太低了結果它前面開得比較順 有超速然後到了快要終點的時候呢 再降速 |
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也是造成危險而且也可能會造成回賭所以我認為區間測速應該要檢討兩件事第一個它是不是還有存在的必要第二個是它速率會不會太低第一個問題就是你要超速你要測速OK啊但是為什麼一定要用區間測速的方式然後速率到底是怎麼定出來的是不是先請交通部次長回答一下 |
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我想跟委員報告一下那個區間測數它據我們相關的數據的一個顯示其實設了以後跟沒有設或者是跟其他的來比較它其實對於交通安全確實是有很大的一個幫助怎麼這樣幫助因為我也有看到一些研究是沒有什麼幫助 |
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也有一些區段地方是反而造成速度增加沒有的話可能就是設置的方式啊設置的辦法地點都不對所以之前以自己而言它是有幫助的那委員跟我再回答一下委員剛才特別講到說速度怎麼樣那速度沒有問題一個道路的裡頭它的設計速度一定是要考慮的設計速度的標準是什麼 |
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設計速度其實會有相關的公路的設計規範的手冊在那裡頭標準是什麼是根據哪一條然後原則是什麼不是它會根據你是幾級的道路你的路幅的寬度啊你的這個是哪一次辦法可不可以提供給大家一下因為每一次在講的時候都說有辦法有辦法我們可以提供啊但是非常專業的啦原則是一本手冊根據哪一條嘛 |
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一個手冊因為手冊可以讓大家來看一下嘛因為大家普遍是認為大家普遍是認為說速度定的太低了嘛我舉個例子來講好了像有的地方是什麼最小設計速率嘛你是用最小設計速率來定它的速限可是它的最小設計速率比如說北宜公路它可能是50但是你的區間測速就定在40而且它有的時候是它可能一個彎的最小設計速率是50 |
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然後你就整條全部定在50其實你有時候你前面可以定高一點點倒彎的時候再降下來就好了所以這個標準是大家一直被挑戰的一直一挑戰的所以請你第一個把速度速度標準給大家來看一下好不好沒問題我們提供相關的資料第二個就是剛剛市長講的我這次要求你說你一直講說有的區間測速的地方造成比較安全你一直在強調這個事情 |
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可是有的又沒有比較安全啊有的可能效率不髒嘛有的可以用別的方式來取代一樣達到安全的目的嘛那就為什麼非要用區間測數為什麼非要用區間測數我覺得之前一直請交通部去全國去調查一下啊交通部說跟你們無關但實際上交通部就是有補助區間測數啊 |
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如果你有發現這一個縣市的區間測數不OK設的速率太低或者是他有別的方法區間測數以前因為是有些是剛開始要推出來的時候所以我們有相關的補助或者是在我們公路局的省道上有相關的設置但是後續的大概都是由地方政府來提出所以現在沒有補助了嗎是沒有了沒有補助但是因為之前是補助代表你起的頭嘛 |
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所以你也不能說放一把火然後後面爛就不關你的事了我覺得這很不負責任啦不是不是我還是要強調委員剛才講到那個有關區間測數的一個成果成效它其實對於這個事故的發生等等有它的效益啦有的地方也有一些路段是設區間測數之後它的事故沒有下降啦所以你要通盤的檢討嘛我是不知道為什麼交通部就不願意做這個事啊 |
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所以兩個 這個我們來提供就是第一個區間測數到底有沒有效你如果認為兩個地方很棒而且是因為區間測數的關係喔沒有別的替代方案喔你就指出來然後第二個是速限為什麼定成這樣然後之前市長一直講說是要找內政部是不是我問一下部長吧 內政部長主席我請一下部長 |
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部長我想問一下就像這個有關於社區間測數或測數這件事情交通部一直講說那是內政部的事你可以接受這樣的說法嗎我想兩個部會一起負責一起負責是不是那剛剛市長有承諾第一個要把速限的標準提供給大家看 |
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第二個是針對各個區間測速的路段他真的是因為設了區間測速才讓他安全變好的這個部分他也說要提供檢討報告那部長可以一起合作嗎報告委員剛剛那個次長所提到的就是說他們有一個書面的手冊會提供給委員來參考那因為你講的這個測速照相因為全台灣各有不同的狀況那我想我們警政署這邊如果有他的那個檢討資料的話我們也可以提供給委員參考 |
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有的雖然是地方的警察局設的,但是僅剩一條邊報告委員,因為大安匯報在中央跟地方都有,所以有大安匯報的話一定會檢討這個部分那如果有這個檢討報告,我們也一併提供給我的參考謝謝部長,我覺得部長的態度比較不好多了,好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 那接下來我們請楊瓊英委員發言感謝主席楊瓊英發言 邀請部長好 麻煩我們被葉元智委員誇獎的劉世芳部長上台 |
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部長好我想我們要來討論道路交通管理處罰條例在112年三讀通過所以相關交通部跟警政都有在現場我們一起共同討論也就是針對於汽機車未停讓行人加重處罰的這個部分 |
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那上限由三千六百塊 北捷提案提高到六千元但是據於內政部統計的資料來顯示一百一十四年舉發入口不停讓行人違規的件數達到十二點六萬件較一百一十三年增加了一成五十五趴其中汽車遭舉發不停讓件數是五萬餘件 |
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機車遭舉發不停讓的件數是7萬餘件那顯示在112年我們修法提高未停讓行人的罰則呢難以就發揮嚇阻的一個效果他反而有了這個法提高的罰則他 |
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案件提高了15%那所以呢在這樣的一個情況之下修法跟執法的成效它是明顯的在落差所以請教部長這個市長 交通市長也在這裡警政單位也在這裡未停讓行人罰則已經大幅的加重但是舉發的件數是年年在增加那認為這個原因是什麼要如何的去改善來 部長請做說明 |
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還是次長說明我跟委員報告這個最主要是大家都知道有關大家希望尊重行人在行船線上能夠禮讓等等的所以這在整個交通這應該是中央跟地方 |
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對於這個行人的安全的部分或是車輛的有序的部分有一個中央跟地方的道安會報聯繫會報裡頭大家討論討論裡面就認為說我跟我講一下 |
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因為它是列為重點的一個執法的一個項目所以說可以看得到這個件數是有增加的但是修法的確實也是發揮一定的效果但是修法的一個效果跟那個可能需要一點時間來呈現但是透過這樣的一個修法或這樣的一個執法其實我們有做相關的民意調查普遍的民眾都認為說在這個路口上有關這個 |
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這個遵守這個行傳線的規定的這樣的一個情形的比例是提高的以上次長這麼說法我請部長你所做的統計修法過後它反而是增加但是次長是說因為重點去稽查才會這個案件增加這個說法本行沒有辦法認同因為法律通過之後我們希望看到所有的國人的一個安全這才是重點啊 |
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那你的案件已經提高了15%我們還樂觀說因為我稽查過稽查過還是一樣事件發生啊所以這樣的說法沒有辦法接受嘛我們要怎麼樣去防止讓市民讓國人能夠安全這才是重點啊 |
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報告委員您講的大概都對第一個就是我們修法通過到現在就是大概不到兩年的時間所以交通單位或者是我們警政單位當然會加強變成是重點執法像剛剛次長跟您報告的部分但是我也從交通事故跟行人死亡的人數的統計表來看從111年到114年確實它是有整體交通事故是有降低從3000多出頭到現在2800左右也就是說我們不管 |
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哪一種這個處理這個交通的違規的部分或是行人用路的安全其實它有效果可是因為時間很短所以它下降的趨勢沒有那麼容易看得出來所以未來要不要持續的加強這個入口不停讓行人的這個取締的話在大安匯報包括地方的大安匯報我想他們都會做滾動式的調整 |
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部長您這樣的說法還是沒有回答本席的這個提問第一個法通過之後我們的目標就是希望國人能夠安全所以本席認為你除了稽查產生的這些案件表示你的整體性它是有這個問題的所以除了你們實施的稽查重點稽查之外本席認為你們要好好的加速的去宣導 |
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預防重瑜治療你要好好的去宣導現在我們的法令是如何要怎麼樣大家不要硬闖這個行川線要怎麼樣停讓行人本席認為具體建議宣導的部分要加強 |
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我想我們兩個部會其實都有加強宣導但是會聽得到嗎 聽不懂你說一個人聽不懂就要檢討啊不是不是不能這樣子把責任都給民眾啊表示政府有這個責任嘛加強宣導好不好你誤解我的意思加強宣導是我們兩個的共同結論 |
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持續加強可是你回答不能說會聽得懂聽不懂是你的經驗嘛不是不是我的意思是說沒有聽到我們的宣導你要改變方法嘛對不對因為我們的宣導費用確實沒有那麼多對啦沒有聽懂你的宣導你要改變方法去讓人家聽得懂嘛這是政府的責任嘛聽得懂跟聽得懂兩個都要一起一定要讓民眾好好的去宣導讓大家防範於未然嘛好 |
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那接下來本席要跟你討論一個居住的這個問題喔好 那個張立柏請回座喔部長我相信在我們長者的居住本席希望跟你討論這個問題喔也就是我們看到喔這個長者居住的部分現在是90.40萬那年增呢是12.53%那換句話說一年啦 家育的部分呢增加的部分是10萬那我們現在都大概都是在於 |
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社區關懷活動參與為主這個也很好但是我們已經看到這個嚴重的議題因為增加了這個年增是12.53%孤老居住的這個部分這個是社會非常重要的一環所以本席認為在緊急應變跟長照的這個銜接那我們要怎麼樣用住宅為單位主動的風險管理的這個機制 |
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因為現在目前政策明顯是落後在整個人口結構的一個變化它變化非常的大會越來越長者我們台灣的人口長者會越來越多那我們要怎麼樣去 |
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應對對於已經突破90萬戶那持續在成長的這個孤老住宅呢那我們是不是應該去研議要怎麼樣去建構一個一致性的清澈就在於分級的風險管理機制它包含了通報 |
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包含了這個巡防還有緊急應變的這個標準我認為這一塊是現在我們立即要啟動因為老年化人口在台灣的人口結構是持續在增加請做說明跟委員報告我們這次內政部推的這一個老宅延壽就已經結合剛剛委員提到的這一個問題因為烏老人老這個是目前要面對的 |
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所以我們在老宅延壽裡面就針對這些比較古老的這些老人他在裡面必須要做的一些無障礙空間的改善我們每一次開地方說明會都邀請衛福部這邊你所說的這個本席非常清楚 部長請聽清楚本席的提問現在我們做的硬體設備裡頭有加注長者 古老者他要怎麼樣讓他安全 這個本席都了解 |
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本席所說的也就是人數一直在增加已經有達到90萬戶90萬戶而且每一年在增加所以本席希望能夠在於通報巡防以及緊急應變怎麼樣去跟長照來接軌這一塊 |
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本席認為應該組一個專案好好的來研討這應該是衛福部的業務相關因為你們也相關不是只有不要推不是只有衛福部衛福部有衛福部的工作我們內政部也有內政部的工作因為政府橫向的組織非常的重要一定要好好去演繹好不好 |
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這樣子才能夠串聯起來讓長者他有所依歸啊好不好好好去研議啦那大概一個月的時間把你們研議的方向可以嗎給本席怎麼去串接看衛福部那邊的一個計畫我們會配合他一些相關的資料你們也必須啊對對我們會配對呀好一個月時間把你們整合的方向 |
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整合的方向給本席嗎 好不好 我們繼續研討嘛好 謝謝好 我們下一位請賴瑞隆委員發言賴瑞隆 賴瑞隆 在 |
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我們登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束委員高靜素梅 丁學忠 洪玉祥賴瑞榮 劉建國所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和位及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會本次會議到此結束現在上會 |