| IVOD_ID |
17334 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17334 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T08:31:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T14:03:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:31:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373dc5bef6d628ca9291d6a76734f73991827a9d5466ed3f8140a75129feb93340325ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部部長李洋列席就「如何落實全民運動、協助學校專項運動發展及運動科學發展成效之檢討等議題」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:03 - 14:03:00 |
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待會要幾分鐘?五分鐘五分鐘?OK好請坐稍微跟你報告一下我是次長我知道待會你會離開?可以可以不會不會 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交集文化委員會第五次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國一五年四月八日上午九十一分至下午一十二分地點本院勤選樓101會議室出席委員陳培宇委員等十三人列席委員黃孟凱委員等十四人列席人員國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳承文率同有關人員主席羅昭吉委員庭委報告事項一宣讀上次會議事錄決定 |
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一是如確定二國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳承文列席報告AU概況並被質詢本次會議有委員陳培宇等20人提出質詢均經國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳承文及相關人員及其答覆說明另有委員洪玉祥、萬美玲提出書面質詢決定一報告及詢討完畢二委員所提書面質詢或相關資料 |
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列入紀錄並刊登公報3.對委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分請相關機關盡速以書面答覆宣讀完畢在場委員未達議決人數三人議事錄稍後再來做確定我們先邀請運動部部長李陽列席 |
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這次的議程來就我們的如何落實全民運動協助學校專項運動發展及運動科學發展的一個成效之檢討報告進行專題報告並備諮詢首先先介紹在場的委員我們吳佩玉委員接著介紹與會的官員 |
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常委我有開始喔 |
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主席各位委員女士先生大家好新逢大月第十一屆第五會期開議今天應邀列席向貴委員會就運動部在如何落實全民運動協助學校專項運動發展及運動科學發展成效之檢討等國民及各位委員關心的議題進行專庭報告再請委員指教 |
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如何落實全民運動分為運動平權社會包容永續發展第一我們在場域及環境在海洋與水域的部分我們規劃投入4400萬補助地方政府優化海洋與水域環境在山域運動的部分我們每年固定辦理全國登山日目前已核發785張山域向導針在新興與極限運動我們正在賦予它明確的定義並持續推動全國民俗運動 |
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在职场赋能的部分我们目前已有987间公司获得 |
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運動企業認證並媒合700位運動指導員那在村里扎根的部分目前已經有214個村里獲得運動村里的認證那在專業級培訓還有社區推動部分在體適能指導員部分我們已經累積培育2634名 |
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那在未來的工作重點裡面我會分為治理與安全在三域運動法制化的部分我們制定了三域活動定型化契約應記載及不得記載的事項在水域我們會與跨部會的治理啟動跨部會與地方座談 |
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在建置平权据点我们希望以最小的投入创造最大的产出让特教学生扩集到社区的身心障碍者及陪伴者也配合教育部的开放校园的政策在数据的推动我们有运动爱台湾2.0的计划以及云端数据整合平台还有一站式的服务中心 |
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那我們在協助學校專項運動發展的辦理期期分為四個大項分別為輔導地方政府推動基層運動選手訓練站為10.18億那 |
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那在運動科學發展成效之檢討,在場域實證的部分,我們分為科技棒球、智慧走跑、AI防逆科技。那在人才培育下面,我們與以下的三間學校進行了合作,希望在人才培育上有更多人的加入。 |
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那在運動科學的這個向下扎根我們建置了國家級的數據平台還有國家級的運動數據平台還有運動科技與資訊系統導入國家培訓隊那我們也強化基層團隊的運科資源那以上簡報敬請委員指教謝謝 |
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好 謝謝李部長的報告機關代表報告完畢相關的書面資料請各位參閱並列入公報記錄可以先回座現在進行詢答每位出席的委員質詢8分鐘必要時延長2分鐘列席的委員質詢的時間為5分鐘 |
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發言登記截止時間為上午11點半委員如果臨時提案請於上午10點半之前提出並於本會委員吳世耀諮詢結束後即執行我們的處理處理提案時如果提案的委員跟連署委員不在的話我們趙婉莉是不予處理首先請登記第一位吳佩儀委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請運動部李洋部長有請部長好 部長好首先我要先感謝運動部對於街舞運動的支持去年我們的總統盃有舉辦街舞比賽我們也希望今年可以持續來舉辦另外因為我之前跟運動部多次關心的就是我們社區俱樂部對於運動 |
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從基層扎根的推動那這個我們也看到計畫已經開始在執行我們希望可以持續的落實那部長有機會的話有機會的話也多到基層來看一看我們社區運動推廣的狀況那麼我想國人都非常關心而且相當感到雀躍以及恭喜的是我們臺灣之光林玉婷 |
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相隔19個月終於重返國際賽場並且在亞錦賽拿下了銅牌那麼我想19個月對一個選手來講應該是一段滿煎熬的過程不管是 |
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身體的或是心理的那麼從這個巴黎奧運到現在我覺得比較難過的是有時候在網路上面還是會看到有一些言論對於林玉婷選手有一些很惡意的發言特別是針對性別的這個言論所以呢我想要請部長再次的來向國人釐清這次 |
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林玉婷之所以可以重返國際賽事那是因為我們收到了來自世界拳擊協會關於性別檢測很明確的結果你們請部長來說明 |
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跟委員您報告那這次確實是由WB發函回來給我們的這個協會確認林玉婷選手的參賽那這邊很感謝委員對於林玉婷選手的重視對那目前我們確實林玉婷選手確實可以參賽那之前我們這個也有啟動專案小組讓玉婷可以有這個在性別檢測這邊可以明確的去檢測然後發函給這個WB這邊 |
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所以世界拳擊協會WP它的檢測項目跟未來這個亞奧運的檢測項目是不是一樣的跟委員您報告那這部分的話我們在專業小組如果後續如果有任何需要的部分我們都會配合因為其實最近國際賽事對於性別檢測這個地方的議題也其實蠻高漲的那我們希望說未來如果有任何選手需要我們都會讓這個小組去提供選手需要 |
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好 那我們請運動部要持續來做選手的後盾那林玉婷她是經過國際認證而且科學檢測並且我們台灣也相當負責任的依循程序來取決這個國際的認可那運動部當然要做選手的後盾現在國人也非常關心的就是我們台灣的女足隊 |
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就在不久前這個在亞洲盃的賽事當中我們大家一起在線上直播為我們台灣的女足加油看到她們面對這個對手體型明顯比較有優勢但是她們還是奮戰到底的這個精神甚至在正規賽事90分鐘我們是逼評中國的 |
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所以這個讓人非常感動但是也讓人非常心痛的是我們竟然看到18位女足選手連署來向運動部向部長您陳情就是他們認為現任的女足隊總教練第一個不適任那舉出來的例子說包括規劃訓練上面的疏失甚至造成選手的受傷那足協跟運動部現在都有做出回應不過我們球員女足公會最新的這個聲明部長你一定是看過 |
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第一个他们认为对于教练团的坚好还要一个月真的太长要求说两周内要完成甚至还直接给你们通融了说完超过两周拜托一下最迟可不可以不要晚过四月底为什么因为六月马上要有国际赛事了倘若这个目前的训练是有所问题的话 |
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至少給她一個月時間調整要吃運動要準備再來呢這個女足公衛說要拜託運動部跟足協之後可不可以不要對球員秋後算帳我想會提出這樣子的聲明 |
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這個球員的心境其實我都難以想像了他們不只要面對賽場上的壓力甚至還要面對這一種可以說是這個課程的壓力再來呢就是他們希望國訓專案經費使用要公開透明哇 這個經費公開透明根本是依法最低的要求運動部本來就要去監督的部長我不知道你知不知道這個足協啊到現在喔 |
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還有積欠我們球員職員防護員積欠款項積欠什麼費用交通費薪資集訓費從去年10月到現在還有錢到現在沒有給球員職員運動部有沒有了解 |
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跟委員報告是不是請這個可以請說明跟委員報告那個委員提到的應該就是去年八零亞青運的賽前集訓那一筆集訓費用我們去年就已經撥給足協了那現在對那足協給球員了沒還沒到我們到現在還沒給對我們會趕快你們什麼時候知道的昨天你們昨天才知道是好足協基線球員款項不是第一次了部長 |
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2025年學童杯足協積欠裁判工作人員費用多少錢130萬2022年足協也曾經積欠男主當時去參加泰國友誼賽出場費跟獎金什麼時候還利用2022欠的款項2024年才還所以球員發出這麼卑微的請求 |
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運動部可不可以來督導足協可不可以不要欠球員錢啊然後呢我要請問一下你們有沒有去了解足協這個錢這個款項經費是跟運動部申請的國訓專案經費嗎這款項是什麼經費 |
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你們要去了解如果部長這個事情可能非常嚴重如果這個錢是足協用球員的訓練計畫來跟你們申請經費因為我們運動部要給補助不是隨便給錢嘛對不對計畫要來而且是每一個項目都要寫明給選手的訓練費交通費而且什麼交通工具都要寫清楚的對不對有計畫才有補助嘛如果他是用計畫項目來跟你申請補助結果你錢給了協會給了足協 |
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結果主寫跟你說我這個是選手訓練經費結果錢沒有給選手錢有沒有被挪用 |
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他有沒有來跟你核銷他用什麼項目跟你核銷錢用去哪裡了這個你們都要成立專案小組通通調查清楚這當中很有可能還有法律問題喔這非常嚴重所以我要拜託部長這個幾個問題第一個就是說球員希望對教練團的檢討可不可以兩週內來玩4月底以前完成這個運動部可不可以來督導這些 |
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跟委員您報告那其實我們的這部分我們也一直有跟選手來做到聯繫那其實後續我也會親自跟女足的這個選手來進行開會然後了解他們的真實的訴求然後我們會積極一直在督導這個足協趕快繳交這一個報告回來 |
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這個報告當中部長請你們一定要嚴查清楚尤其是關於經費因為我想積欠選手防護員職員這個經費已經不是第一次了好不好我們運動部我們有國體法我們有評鑑我們有各種的這個監督的政策工具拜託你們因為你們是選手最重要的後盾 |
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那麼另外我也很關心的正跟你們關係很多次是我們籃協籃球協會因為這個謝典玲理事長她因為過去這個狀況已經大家都反映了很多次了常常不出席會員大會那麼甚至過去籃協還出現秘書長帶開違規開會的狀況會員大會多次留會導致籃協的年度工作計畫無法核定也沒有依法完成程序 |
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那麼這個今年1月的時候就是我們黃市長也就在這個地方接受備詢他當時說運動部當然不能接受而且不排除去懲處這個理事長那麼我最近在攔協理監事會的會議記錄其實我們都會去看的又看到一份臨時提案這個我要請教部長意見這個臨時提案內容是說呢這理監事們表達說我們理解理事長公務繁忙但希望理事長盡量撥控參與協會活動 |
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來展現對協會重視避免外界觀感不佳那麼呢這個會員大會理見事會等各項會議理事長因公務行程多未能到場 |
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那麼希望理事長要盡量撥空出席啦啊 倘若理事長無法出席啊 拜託至少應由副理事長代這個這個理事長這個的不示任已經不只是外界在討論我看這連理監事會都已經感覺說是似乎造成這個協會運作的這個負擔了那麼接下來是不是也要進行改選了我們運動部有沒有在關心來一些改選的這個時程因為我看現在也已經四月了 |
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有 這部分我們一直都有關心各個協會的改選狀況那如果比較重要的部分我們也會派這個法律顧問到場來看 |
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對 這個就要拜託運動部持續來關心這個不適任的理事長不應該要繼續擔任那麼這個也是很重要好 那最後是要跟部長關心的是就是我一直在關心的是性別運動的平權那麼因為我們有受到團體來反映是說在我們很多運動賽事裡面它有些可能是戶外比如說河濱或是一個空地廣場就來搭乘這個賽事的場地但是如果是女性的運動選手 |
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這個他可能才有長不到一個地方可以來換衣服就是女性運動員更衣其實是我們很想像不到常常會遇到的不方便那麼所以呢我有邀請運動部來開這個協調會也謝謝這間運動室全民運動室我是運動師都來跟我們討論所以我現在運動部我們未來在這個針對性別平權落實在基層賽事更衣的問題我們有什麼樣的協助改善 |
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首先真的很感謝您對於我們這個性別平權的重視那在未來我們運動部主辦的所有的學校賽事我們將在契約書上都會明訂承辦的單位需要設置檢疫的這個更衣設備給這個兩性來使用 |
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是因為過去很多他可能只能去找流動廁所那他因為不方便在外面直接這樣脫衣服換嘛所以這個要拜託運動部可以持續來關心不過我也要提醒因為這次也謝謝同仁啦三個單位大家很辛苦一起在討論但是呢依照我們國體法其實現在運動已經要落實性別平權了那運動部自己也有性平小組所以我認為運動部應該要主動來去檢視我們現在目前已經在執行的各項計畫 |
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或是活動賽事補助等等當中有沒有哪些是我們可以主動來去進行這個性別平權的各種項目的這個去檢視讓我們可以主動來進行改善這個要拜託部長能不能來進行這個運動性別平權項目的盤點好 這個我們絕對會來做這個性別平權的部分好 那後續我再跟你們持續的來討論好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝我們五位員的詢答剛剛所提足協相關事項包括教練處理的狀況是否能夠加緊速度處理那另外欠款的部分也請運動部一定要盡速來協助我們球員的權益以上 |
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由於議事錄已經之前宣讀完畢尚未確定現在先確定議事錄請問各位上次會議的議事錄有無錯誤跟遺漏議事錄確定我們下一位尋答的委員是陳佩玉委員好謝謝主席有請部長有請部長 |
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好部長早安在剛剛我們看到一個新聞說運動部次長鄭世忠市長請辭請問你知道這個消息嗎 |
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剛剛得知所以我們可以問一下是有什麼組織調整的概況還是說有發生什麼問題嗎或者是相關業務之後怎麼交接然後內部的這些因為次長其實正次長管理非常多的業務然後後續的這些工作規劃可不可以簡單說明一下跟委員您報告那這部分我覺得還是要從行政院正式發布了這一個人事的調動之後我們再來說明 |
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那可是關於工作內容我們期待我們希望在交接上不要出現任何問題因為政事長管理了非常多業務好我們來看一下我們回到教文第一次跟運動部對話但是我今天要問的命題大概都不是部長第一時間可以回答因為都是長久以來制度的問題可是也因為是長久以來所以事實上從體育署的階段我們就不斷的提醒可是當體育署升格變成運動部之後 |
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有非常多的問題你們在跟教育部的交接都出現了很大的灰色模糊地帶我一一整理第一個是關於體育班到底何去何從其實基層教練也好選手小選手也好或者是學校一般的老師甚至是家長或者是已經長成大人像部長您這麼優秀的體育選手大家對於體育班的何去何從這件事情 |
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存與廢之間到底該怎麼做我認為有非常多的意見部長你都很清楚下一張部長您一上任的時候就說體育正常化訓練學業並行我想這件事情是現在大家高度的共識但是對於基層教練來說他們非常擔心一旦體育班廢除之後教練會沒有工作目前為止我當然可以理解這個擔心我也認為這個擔心是部長您必須要承擔的 |
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对于你的教练也好对于你未来的生涯或是对于现在还在线上的教练来说如果没有了体育班他们何去何从另外一个更可怕的困境是在非常多的偏乡 离岛他们的体育班变成一种类社服系统 |
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他承接了非常多原生家庭有困境的孩子的另外一個去處孩子去那邊有飯吃孩子去那邊有求醫孩子去那邊得到其他的發展也就是在原本的學校系統裡面好像沒有人可以承擔這一切而社福衛教系統可能又沒有辦法完全承擔於是體育班的教練意外的還要變成照顧這些孩子的人所以在這個前提底下體育班何去何從好像沒有人敢談談了這麼久我現在不知道部長 |
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你上任到現在半年了你怎麼看這個問題或者是運動部到目前為止關於體育班何去何從你們做了哪些座談嗎做了哪些政策規劃嗎做了哪些研究嗎部長跟委員報告首先真的很感謝你對我們體育班的學生還有家長這些的重視那我自己身為體育班八年的學生其實我 |
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一直認為說體育班我還是希望說他的教育正常化因為自己身為體育班的學童裡面我認為當體育班正常化的時候我們不要放棄學業的時候那我們才有可能將這個學生運動員的學業以及這個數科成績才有機會一起來完成 |
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那我自己身為體育班的議員來講那我當然知道這個體育班是跟我們運動部跟教育部需要跨部會來合作那牽扯的這一個部會我們也希望說我們可以在合作的方法讓基層的運動員以及這個體育班能夠在最小的影響下來去完成這個改變 |
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部長我花這麼多時間讓你講完你的理念我聽懂了可是我剛問的是您上任到現在做了哪些座談做了哪些改革做了哪些研究做了哪些政策我還是沒有聽到光是週末聯賽這件事情其實就是部長你積極可以做的因為過度密集的聯賽不管是在週末還是在週間它都大大影響了體育班的孩子的正常學習我們不要管它正常到什麼程度光是過去報導者在前年所做的一個報導 |
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以棒球為主的體育班他們的學術成績在會考的時候他們的C等級是一般學生的36倍而國家在培養這些運動選手的同時有沒有讓這些小選手知道我們可能不小心犧牲了你們的什麼 |
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要等到你們長大成人之後才有人告訴你們說不會一輩子成為運動員的情況下未來你的學術生活你一般人過的正常生活可能都無以為繼部長所以我還是沒有聽到你的政策或是你就算發報了相關的研究案你就算做了相關的研究我都覺得OK但我目前還是沒有聽到跟委員您報告在今年確實我們有委託這個師大來去研究體育班的未來的走向然後會是教育部跟我們運動部之間去做這個相關的議題的研討 |
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還有嗎這部分的話當然我們在跨部會我們跟教育部其實一直在聯繫平台上一直在體育班的這個議題其實一直在溝通那不管是專任運動教練的何去何從還是我們基層體育班的狀況其實這部分我相信真的是需要很長期的評估因為它牽扯的面向極廣不管是專任運動教練還有體育班還有剛剛委員您重視的這個週末比賽然後 |
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一到五平日的時候正常上課的這部分我覺得都是一個需要一個長期評估畢竟身為體育班的一員其實在我還是學生的時候其實就已經是這樣的現行體制那我們希望一個比較具有常態性的評估之後我們再來去做這個體育班的相對的視野 |
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好部長我跟你說我會繼續追蹤我覺得就算我剛剛的舉例其實你們都可以開始做但是我到現在還沒有看到作為光是辦基層教練的座談會這件事情你透過不管是在野黨還是執政黨的委員的選區服務去辦座談會你都可以讓基層教練的焦慮降低 |
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但連這麼簡單的事情我也沒有看到體育運動部有態度或者直接把選手找來座談現在所有第一線的國手也好或是在職業線上的選手我相信他們都樂於跟部長你分享關於體育班的存費光是這兩件這麼簡單的事情運動部就可以做 |
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我不確定跟預算有沒有關係但我認為光是這件事情如果都沒有願意啟動我難以想像教練會有多麼焦慮我難以想像想要留在體育班的孩子不知道自己的未來在哪裡我也不知道想要改革的選手他們看到希望在哪裡所以這麼簡單的事情拜託運動部開始研議接下來 |
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兒少工作證這件事情講了很久了部長您上任之後我相信你不是第一次聽到兒少工作證我們看到台中荒謬的事情荒謬至極荒謬至極我要講三遍荒謬至極我想要告訴部長在您還沒有當部長之前 |
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很多教文委員就已經告訴過當時的體育署我們積極的作為可以有哪些消極的作為可以有哪些事後補強的動作可以有哪些我光是告訴部長一件事情這一次台中這個案子我真的認為它只是冰山的一角 |
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當然盧秀燕市長必須要負責台中市教育局必須要負責甚至他們到今天還在丟包甩鍋但我要講盤點過去這麼多年運動現場所發生的身心暴力跟性暴力這件事情沒有降低部長沒有降低 |
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所以我要说我们办公室处拜托运动部或是当时的体育署研究的一件事情我简单跟部长说来我们跳到建议这一页我讲一件事情就好来下一张光是国体法修法里面除了让合格教练的名字可以积极被看见我之前就说所有被撤销证照这些教练们 |
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所有被撤銷證照的教練們他們的名字沒有被公開所以他如果今天從棒球端被除名 |
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他的體育能力夠好他明年後年他就可以去考足球工作證他可以當足球教練然後繼續流傳到足球界他如果被足球界提名他可以換到桌球這樣的事情不是從天上掉下來也不是我亂說是運動界就有這個現象所以你會看到這些人渣他繼續在現場危害小孩可是運動部毫無作為連消極的去公開他的名字在他的相關證件上 |
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把他的名字放出來都不行當時我們辦公室還幫你們找了法務部幫你們找了個資籌備處來告訴你們相關法規範是有依據的不會有個資的問題到現在為止發生台中這樣的事情部長我要跟你說它不會是最後一件只要你們不願意做相關的事情你們不願意建立正向的制度你們也不願意建立消極的這個制度它就不會停止所有這些人會繼續在流竄運動現場危害我們的兒少 |
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而孩子說不出口這不是孩子的責任我要再說一次孩子說不出口不是孩子的責任而這些垃圾人渣繼續留在現場如果部長你沒有作為這些人他所有的證照相關協會發給你的主管機關是你運動部 |
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所以我要說光是公開被撤銷教練證這件事情沒有這麼困難如果部長你當時沒有上任你不確定那個法規制度我們辦公室可以再幫你們召開一次會議我可以找各自籌備處我可以找法務部到底有沒有侵害工作權有沒有侵害隱私沒有沒有沒有 |
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所以我們辦公室會再積極找你們還有從法制面如何把不適任人員跟運動專業人員這件事情做雙軌查詢也講了三年沒有作為就是沒有作為我們的法制是在保護這些犯罪人繼續留在陪伴兒少運動工作的現場這是我們現在的法制的灰色模糊地帶 |
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所有的立法委員都想要協助你們補足這一塊不是只有我們辦公室范雲委員也好雅琳委員也好玉琴委員也好佩儀委員大家都在告訴你們這件事情法規部分補起來我們就有機會讓這些人不要流竄到現場部長你知道嗎當運動部成立之後社區運動成立之後這些人多了多少工作現場也就是說他們多了多少機會可以危害我們的兒少 |
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他有學校的社團他有社區的運動他還有社區的運動中心這些人他無止境的在維護我們的兒少而教育部也好 運動部也好毫無作為的這件事情告訴我要保護他們的工作權請問孩子的兒少生存權在哪裡 |
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我必須要這麼憤怒我是真心的感到悲傷焦慮跟憤怒所有這些孩子未來他在成長的過程他要如何去承擔誰要陪伴他所以我們把法治補起來給家長一個接住他們的可能性我們在犯罪之前就把這個事情補起來部長跟委員您報告我們國體法已經有相關的草案已經有那個擬出來了 |
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你們這個會起到排國體法嗎你們有列為優先法案嗎跟委員報告是我們在這個部分我們肯定肯定會由我們運動部來一起統審出來在這個兒少部分我們肯定會來去做跟委員您剛剛提到這部分我們在法制上我們覺得會積極的去處理 |
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我希望可以在這個會期也要拜託主席不管是羅廷偉召委或者是吳麗華召委我們這個希望除了國體法修法之外我剛已經講了現在你們就可以做了我再說一次你們現在就可以有作為我當然認同國體法補起來沒有問題可是我要再說一次我們已經研究過你們現在就可以有作為 |
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我們可以在之後再討論最後我講一個適應體育我相信也是所有區域委員之後會面對的問題主席不好意思再給我一分鐘運動部成立之後有了適應運動司適應運動司對於很多需要適應體育的小孩會是很大的幫助 |
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我們發現了一個澄清的狀況之前我在司法法治委員會的時候我們協助矯正學校的孩子爭取到了適應運動適應體育的補助感謝當時的國教署積極的有所作為有所承擔結果運動部分出去之後矯正學校的孩子再也沒有適應運動的可能性了所以我們就來問了一下你們運動部我們通常運動部的回應是這樣部長你自己聽聽看我不確定你知不知道他們給我們回應你們運動部說 |
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在適應運動的部分本部辦理學校的適應運動推展事宜是由適應運動司統籌辦理而教育部必須要組織課程內的適應體育推動而課程外的適應運動則由運動部辦理 |
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部長我剛念了這一段你有沒有發現一下子是適應運動一下是適應體育一下是適應體育一下是適應運動到底在你們部裡面跟教育部的交接到底如何定義適應運動如何適應體育然後教育部則告訴我們說適應體育業務分工並沒有分校園內跟校園外作為全責劃分部長我就問一句話今天我是學校老師我收到這個公文我如何定義我的孩子要用的是適應運動還是適應體育或者是我在社區裡面推動適應運動還是適應體育的時候 |
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请问现场学校老师要怎么办所有需要适应运动服务的这些孩子怎么办而且教育部现在开始推普特融合已经推三年了所以在一般的学校里面有大量的特教生他们需要适应运动适应体育而这件事情教育部的态度跟运动部的态度依然让我到现在看不清楚就是看不清楚所以有一般学校的问题有特教学校的问题有矫正学校的问题还有社区内社区外的问题 |
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跟委員您報告在課程內的適應這部分是屬於教育部的那我們稱為是示意體育但是課程外的話是屬於什麼叫課程內早上八點上課上到八點五十叫課程內所以下課時間叫課程外還是在四點以前叫課程內四點以後叫課程外跟委員您報告在學校裡面裡面的這個體育運動門前我們通常會稱為體育那在 |
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學校以外的我們稱為運動那當然我們有專任運動教練這些都是我們屬於我們運動部外加在學校裡面好部長你聽到了你自己都講了適應運動跟適應體育到底你們跟教育部的分工我到現在還是沒有聽懂 |
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我們辦公室會找你們開會我剛剛說了一般學校 特教學校 矯正學校社區內 社區外四點以前 四點以後學校內 學校外我認為你們跟教育部有很大的大隔我知道你們可能在成人的部分你們覺得你們做了很多我知道私營運動師很辛苦 |
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我到昨天還有一個機會聽到有在做適應運動的老師告訴我們你們在大人那一段做得還不錯但是我現在困境是那學校裡面呢18歲以下甚至在大學端呢我們有非常多的特教生持續的升學他們都需要適應運動或者是適應體育的協助部長我們會找你們開會以上謝謝主席不好意思耽誤時間謝謝 |
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好 我們謝謝我們委員的詢答也感謝我們陳委員關心兒童 關心運動為台中發聲我想台中市政府這個案件的確非常的很扯 |
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台中市政府固然有缺失有責任但我想委員也點出了現在的狀況法治上我們的確需要加強我們應該一起來努力也希望在未來運動部能夠趕緊提出相對應的政策還有修法的內容提案的版本本席也非常有意願 |
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來協助我們運動部來排相關的議程來趕緊修法補漏洞我們大家一起來努力也感謝委員也感謝部長 謝謝我們下一位羅志強委員的詢答 謝謝有請部長有請部長 |
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部長去年上任後宣布啟用部長信箱嘛那提供運動員跟民眾直接發聲的管道我想請教部長目前這個措施成效如何那去年到現在大概收到多少陳情那主要反映的是哪些問題那這些運動員的問題部裡面是如何解決的 |
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跟委員您報告那自從上任以來有部長信箱之後其實不管是運動員還是我們這個民眾都會有來這個投件的可能性那其實一天最多應該是好像有八十幾件如果就我的印象那其實如果就我們可以解決的那我覺得其實有些包含我個人的 |
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IG的這個陌生訊息其實也常常會有一些可能對於不管是中央部會運動部的主政範圍或者是地方政府的主政範圍可能還有一些比較不清楚的部分我們都會一一來回覆好謝謝部長謝謝委員 |
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那我認為設立部長信箱當然是很不錯的構想可是不能只是行事要實質的回應陳情解決問題那部長聽到運動員聲音之後聽見之後有沒有得到回應我覺得這是一個比較重要的事情那 |
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為了讓運動員的聲音能夠真正被聽見我看到部長上任後還推動了運動員委員會的改革方案發函44個亞奧運層級的單項協會輔導協會規劃以現役選手為主體並透過選舉方式產生運動委員會的委員確保委員會組成具有代表性我想請教部長這項落實運動員為核心的 |
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運動員委員會選舉制度推動的順利嗎目前有沒有遇到阻力那各個協會是不是都支持這項改革呢跟委員您報告運動員委員會的話因為今年其實有大多數的協會改選那改選過後運動員委員會會在一個月內會完成改選所以大多數的協會在改選後才會進行運動員委員會的選舉 |
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如果差不多的一個相關的績效的狀況也麻煩給我們辦公室一個報告然後我們覺得運動員是經濟運動發展的核心那部長推動那個亞奧運協會運動員委員會的選舉方式產生那我覺得這是一個可以讓運動員選出自己喜歡認同的運動員代表那也比較能夠為他們相關權益發言 |
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協會也可以透過選舉產生的運動員委員會來聽到現役運動員的心聲跟想法所以這個改革本席是肯定的希望部長繼續努力讓協會跟現役運動員間有更好的良性互動跟信任另外我想請教一下關於人力不足的問題今天部長報告如何落實全民體育但是我們運動部以及全民體育運動署的人力是不是足夠目前 |
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那目前運動部的缺額大概多少? |
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74人那那個全民運動署呢大概缺了多少40人其實也算比例還算蠻高的啦對不對那我想請教運動部這個今年1月有說幾乎每一天都在職缺有職缺在公告上網但各單位都有缺人的情況那希望加速來領補 |
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那現在三個月過去我剛才看稍微有改善嘛對不對比當時稍微有改善那部長你覺得多久才能夠把人力補齊呢 |
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大概需要多少時間跟委員您報告首先很感謝您對於我們運動部還有全民運動署的人力的這個重視那當然我覺得如果就我評估的話可能還需要三四年三四年是不是應該是如果人力因為還有那個高考分發這樣高考分發當然我覺得部長其實點到一個問題因為運動部剛成立實際上確實有很多的地方是有一些結構性因素要調整改變 |
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那成立運動部是總統賴清德的重要政見那當時把全民運動師擴大編制員而變成全民運動署那外界其實當時就有擔心是不是可以找到足夠的專業人才我還記得那時候人事行政總署官員就曾經說過目前文官體系並沒有那麼多相關專業的人所以以所謂現在專業人才的那個所謂的破耳來看的話其實是找不到這麼多人就現階段找不到這麼多人 |
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但是既然已經升格為新部人力缺口這麼大那剛剛部長說要三到四年才能夠把這些專業人力的補齊的話我希望腳步還是要加快一點啦那包括培育人才然後去增補人才這個部分你有能力你才能夠好好做運動部該做的業務嘛對不對 |
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跟委員報告是的我們也希望說在現行的狀況下的話確實運動部跟全民運動署的這個相對人意確實業務比較繁忙一點是好那我接下來想請教一下關於教練待遇的問題那在去年教文委員 |
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討論到教練的待遇的問題的時候你那時候有承諾要統整C級 B級 A級的教練還有初級 中級 高級 國家級的專任運動教練證來瞭解他們現行的待遇那請問這個評估做出來了沒有那結論是什麼 有沒有改善的時程 |
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跟委員您報告那目前C級B級A級還有初級中級高級國家級這樣的專任運動教練以及這個協會這邊的證照其實我們一直都有在做評估但確實期程還沒有訂定出來的原因也跟剛剛這個委員提到的這個體育班分工因為我們還是要清楚的知道專任運動教練後續的這一個 |
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工作可能會弱在哪裡那確實這個會是一個知識體大的比較複雜的問題所以我們也希望說會與體育班的議題一同來去做評估我覺得基本上一樣是希望部里的腳步要加快因為事實上 |
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社會對我們運動部有這麼大的期許現在也變成升級一個部會那教練的待遇問題只是長久的問題但是經過新的部會的話希望能夠來去改變這件事那比方說現在教練跟老師是雙軌制 |
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那教練是從170新年起那老師是190那光起薪教練就比老師要低那教練又分剛剛前面那幾個分級之後那除了國家級比照教授那基層教練是沒有鑑別度的那無論初級、中級、高級的專任運動教練、專業家級都是同一個數字那也缺乏所謂的那個差異化那對於肌力晉升的這件事情可能就會比較弱一點點那 |
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如果沒有長期穩定的專業教授專業優秀的教練的話那其實就不容易培養出優秀的選手所以這個部分我也希望部長能夠把它放在你們的評估裡面那真的是腳步還是要加快一點就我看應該等不到三四年好不好這個應該不會這麼久就盡快那另外我也要跟部長討論一下學校教練的問題因為上週我也質詢過教育部同樣的問題 |
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在教育歷程裡面運動教育當然是非常重要的一環不管是培養國手還是學能跟全能養成那現代對運動也越來越重視那可是運動扎根那跟教育現場是密不可分其中關鍵角色上就教練嘛對不對那可是現在我又得到很多反應有很多老師他是燃燒自己在帶校隊帶體育機優或者專長的學生為什麼說是燃燒自己呢因為按照現行的規定 |
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教師兼任校隊訓練工作只能用社團老師的名義那每週只可以減授一到兩節課那我在台北市又遇到很多的陳情國中專任教師一個禮拜基本收課時數是18節但兼校隊訓練的老師每週基本收課時數仍然高達16到17節可是他除了基本收課之外老師帶學生 |
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早晚午休假日寒暑假的訓練工作那就算我們不去看誰他花了專業的心力備課的心力或是跟家長溝通等等關於時數來講就每週實際工作量是高達30節課以上 |
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甚至有些老師說他為了帶校隊體育學生陪學生的時間還超過自己家的小孩那這其實已經不是個案是制度問題我想請問一下像這種狀況我不知道那個運動部這邊部長你有得到相關的反應嗎那目前部裡面打算怎麼去解決這個問題呢 |
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跟委員您報告那這個確實是我們得到非常多的這個相關的澄清那這個確實也跟教育部我們兩個部會一直在跨部會去探討這個部分該怎麼去解決這個問題就如同委員您重視的這個學校教練以及老師這一塊確實因為我自己也身為這個大學老師確實也會遇到類似的事情那我們當然也希望說不管是在這個國中國小 |
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高中這樣老師能夠在上課的時數可以得以被保障那我想這個都是我們未來與教育部很重要的這個探討跨部會的合作我覺得部長就是麻煩跟這個教育部一同延伸改善指導啦因為說真的 |
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你不可能一直靠老師燃燒自己來去支撐整個關於體育方面的工作所以這部分麻煩部長一下那最後我還是再提一下就是台中有個國小的教練他2024年底遭到揭發對於我們國小的球員伸出狼爪 |
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那檢方已經日前有第三波癥結那從制度面檢視這個事情那這個教練是典型的性犯罪慣犯其實他在擔任教練之前已經兩度因為猥褻男童遭判刑但獲得緩刑對不對 |
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沒錯吧可是他已經有猥褻招判刑的紀錄為什麼還能夠在2019年以無給職助理教練進入校園並且在2020年取得中華民國棒球協會的西級教練證 |
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那這樣的一個所謂的取得證照的一個過程部長覺得有沒有什麼制度上可以去防止這樣的漏洞呢?跟委員您報告我們上任之後其實在不適任教練這一塊有這個查詢的系統我知道就是涉及違法事件不適任教練資訊專區嘛對不對?對那我想請教就很明確請那個部長具體告訴大家如果再有類似這位教練的情況 |
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違法被判刑但獲得緩刑然後在緩刑期間取得良民證再取得教練身份在這個專區查得到嗎 |
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目前的狀況應該是差不多如果是這樣的話我覺得部長真的當然我覺得很多制度法制設計上有些難處可是如果這樣子做不到查不到那說真的像這樣的一個所謂的一個性慣犯的那種教練進到校園這問題我就不知道要如何防堵啦 |
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那請問部長那怎麼辦你根本不知道他如果經過這一段我們講洗白的過程他再進到校園裡面去那請問這個制度這樣的一個漏洞如何防堵你們現在也承認說你的專區這樣的情況是無法判定判讀的嗎無法揭露的嗎 |
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跟委員您報告那確實在現行的法治狀況下以及專區的部分確實如果他確實又獲得良民證又獲得教練證這件事情我們確實沒有那很謝謝委員您對於學校體育的重視那這部分我們會回去來好好檢討我們該怎麼保護好兒少這一塊的運動 |
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我還是跟部長說發生這個事情我們都非常憤怒跟遺憾但是發生這個事情也就把這事情完全解剖開來看每一個層級到底漏洞在哪裡那到底我們要怎麼去防止這個漏洞有些是政策上的有些是人為管理上的疏失有些是法令規章上的問題 |
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那像剛剛我們前面問這個問題部長也明確告訴我說你們有個資訊專區來去因應這樣的一個狀況但是我再問你詳細情形的時候你就發現資訊專區是無法揭露我剛剛講的那個情形那又變得回到最原初資訊專區就沒辦法解決所謂防範狼爪進到校園教練的狼爪進到校園這個問題或防範力下降的問題那這個部分 |
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當然我覺得請部裡面包括跟我們法務部跟相關的法治單位真的要做一個全盤的一個所謂的剖析跟研究因為孩子是需要我們保護的要拜託部長把保護孩子這件事我們一起放在心上謝謝部長 |
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好 我們謝謝羅委員的詢答也非常感謝羅委員點出我們現在這個資訊專區的漏洞我想部長也承認在這樣子的一個狀況之下有可能會透過不適任的教練來洗白的過程最後再進入校園所以這也是為什麼我們在後續希望能夠再推兒童工作證 |
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相关的一个政策能够防范这些过程当中有不适任的教练再次进入到校园也希望运动部能够好好的谨慎思考跨部会的一个协商赶紧把这个资讯的漏洞来补上以上 谢谢我们下一位柯志恩委员 谢谢谢谢赵伟我们是请李洋部长 |
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好請部長謝謝委員早安部長早安今天我們正式中次長沒有過來然後也是從新聞中得知他請辭然後剛剛陳培宇委員問你的時候你也說才剛得知你的次長請辭你也是跟我們同一時間知道你覺得這樣合理嗎跟委員您報告那確實我是剛得知 |
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你會未留或者是會准辭嗎我跟委員您報告這個還是會整體來講還是以行政院發布為主行政院發布為主我下次問你個人的態度 |
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呃目前來講的話當然我還是我也是剛得知那當然等到這個請辭的部分來到我呃文來到我這邊的時候我才能跟次長去了解我雖然對鄭次長啊他過去在體育署長的時候我們多次在質詢他有很多的交鋒但是呢我仍然肯定他在對於 |
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还是你们整个部里面发生了什么样的状况人员彼此的协调上面发生一些状况 |
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部長有這樣的感覺體會嗎目前應該這個可能要等我後續跟政次長再次了解之後才能跟委員您報告不過很顯然好像跟政次長不太熟因為一個次長要辭職一定有一些的徵兆那這個部分還請這個 |
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李部长好好的去了解一下啊好那对我们来说高层人士的一个变动我们还是希望他不要影响到体育部的运动部的一个效率由李阳部长来当运动部长我想体育人就给予非常大的一个期待啊但是呢金牌的部长是否可以让这个整个的运动部的效率可以像金牌一样这么有效我们就来看一下特别是我还是要直指这运动教练的部分啊 |
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我们已经非常多的委员而且是跨党派的委员你在去年9月18号的时候呢林玉婷还有她的教练其实都出现在我们的公听会当中那时候所有的运动教练就赋予期望希望你能够在整个行政的这个简化流程还有考评的这个部分做出一些的不同那我想大家都得到一个共识然后呢我们在 |
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11月17号的时候呢又在开公听会非常有名的这个骆正宇这个我们的运动教练说他的前途是一片的黑暗然后那么28号我们又再找一次的市中次长来就检讨面里面又来做一个调整这些部长都有所耳闻吧对运动教练考评的部分 |
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公委員報告謝謝你對於運動教練的重視那確實我都有你有做什麼樣的改進有什麼樣的改善嗎我剛剛收到一個文也就在三月的時候收到我們已經開了這麼多次會議的跨黨派都覺得已經得到了一個所謂的共識就是希望 |
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能夠不管是在考評的制度上面或在整個薪資的調整上面而且我們知道薪資調整涉及很多的部會你們也承諾要去做跨部會的這樣子的討論可是你3月4號的回文來告訴我的時候其實就是我們過去兩年大家在跟所謂的運動教練集體的一個共識我們都覺得已經有共識了運動部長這麼快的速度應該可以 |
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可以這樣很立即來解決就有3月4號的回溫還是跟我們過去的共識來告訴我們正在努力正在跟地方協調更加地方的一個意見請問有里昂的部長跟沒有里昂的運動部有差嗎 |
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跟委員您報告那這個專任運動教練的部分其實我在上任以來其實專任運動教練協會確實有來找我然後我們也很明確的跟他們探討3月4號的這個部分我今天站在這邊質詢是推所有體育人幫他們來做一個發聲大家把所有的寄望在你身上3月4號的回文跟我們過去兩年所得到的結論是一樣不但告訴我們要徵求地方的這樣的諮詢要跨部會來等等得到了這個回文一模一樣啊所以到底你的效率在哪裡 |
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跟委員您報告專任運動教練我們在現行的體制下其實有非常多人會受到這一個好我現在只舉一個例子嘛部長你很清楚我們下面舉一個例子台北市目前為止又有兩個教練他根本就是中年失業他的理由其實你看看 |
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他的理由其实就提到了因为呢我们要得到高分大概80分以上他可能我们希望他在这个所谓的评鉴上面才可以稍微获得一些的优惠可是你看他在台北市只有两所高中可以衔接射箭队的学生而且名额非常的少那如果照现在的计分的方法必须每年衔接五名以上才可以取得高分就是80分以上问题是现在部分来说只有两所高中而且学生上他根本达不到 |
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五個這樣的一個學生來做一個指導這不是運動教練的問題這是一個體制上的問題然後他就因為這樣就要被解聘你覺得這樣合理嗎跟委員您報告那確實是這個目前像是我們體育班會遇到的事情 |
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所以我就告诉你嘛就是这个部分已经这么久以来我刚刚已经把所有的这个我们开过的公听会我们都认为这个部分可以立即来做制度上面的一个改变等了这么久终于等到你来飞快速度上来可以把这个效率可是到目前为止我们得到了回函还是跟过去没有你的这个运动部甚至像过去的体育署一模一样的回应你觉得这有改进吗这是我们今天要的问题 |
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有改进吗没有嘛还是在同样在文字上面还是没有给这些体育这个运动教练一个更合理的部分难怪我们的弱教练还是看不到前面的曙光这个就是我们说的效率问题嘛没有办法立即能够起码让我在回文里面告诉我你现在做到什么地方什么时候开始实施我们的新的评量方法具体的时间专业家籍你们到底做了哪一些的事情跨部会到底开了几次结果什么时候可以出来部长你可以承诺吗 |
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幫這些體育人來做一個真正金牌部長可以給這些人的具體承諾而不是公文又一直在重複過去的事情可以嗎 部長公文委員報告這部分的話專任運動教練如果我們從上任以來一直在了解就如同我剛剛所講的就是專任運動教練 |
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這一點上考評的部分我們確實開了非常多次會也了解到說那如果委員您需要現行我們現在正在了解到哪個位置然後我們評估了什麼狀況我們會後馬上提供給委員您 |
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你看了那么多次会你也知道运动教练的心声嘛看了那么多次都知道嘛所以你可不可以我们现在换个方法你可以告诉我不能够执行的理由在哪里到底什么理由不能在哪里我不想在两三年当中讨论的事情就完全一样我现在可以说在2016年本席第一次当立委的时候就已经提出这样一个问题到现在已经十年过去之后问题还是存在部长你应该在这块大道阔斧 |
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这是同样体育人的期望我希望你可以在这个部分里面给我们一个具体的承诺什么时候可以开始做新评量政策什么时候可以给专业家企做一个调整什么时候可以告诉我跨部会的这样的一个开会可以给我们一个具体的承诺这才是我们所得到的而不是不断的再继续再做这样的routine这是一点效用都没有了可以吗可以谢谢委员好所以我们希望在两个礼拜之内起码你要告诉我目前具体的做法到什么地方我不要再看到3月4号的这样的回文再出现在本席的办公室可以吗 |
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好那么接下来我们来看看运科计划这个运科计划呢当然是已经有很多人遗忘但是我还是要特别提到一下因为我们施大女族的这个案件我们上次在部长上次我们大家在质询台上很多人就特别质疑这个有关于违反伦理的部分里面嘛那我现在要问的部分里面呢请问一下这个运动部有没有对于这个施大女族涉及违反研究伦理这部分你们有没有内部的行政调查 |
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跟委員您報告那這個部分在孕科這個女足案那我們確實有去開會了解當時的狀況然後呢你們有做出任何的懲處嗎那這個確實我沒有掌握的這麼好那當時開會的確實是剛剛委員您提到的政事長對你們提到了政事長政事長怎麼樣主持的對然後呢 |
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開會的開會然後結果呢有沒有懲處目前為止就我跟委員您報告那確實我沒有掌握的這麼好所以我要去問鎮次長就對了沒有我會會後提供給委員您好就是說我們要了解目前為止我們得到的訊息是你對相關的這個相關人員你是沒有做一個懲處的然後呢這個監察院也正在調查當中監察院調查是一回事然後呢這也的確是有一些行政督導上的一個疏失 |
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所以说呢而且上一次我还要提醒啊上次黄次长当然要提供给我这个原住民运动医学检测计划的相关资料给我现在已经过了四个月了我还没有收到部长你可以要求一下吗可以对四个月了还没有为什么本席在质询台上所质询的东西要的资料目前都没有这个是基本上其他部分很少发生的而且呢 |
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我們會檢討然後呢為了配合監察院的這個調查還有運客中心要清查所有的補助案是否依規定送這個RB或者REC這個是沒問題吧對不對而且先前已經全面終止的運動支援計畫我們希望能夠調查完整完之後再來做這件事情應該沒錯吧嗯 |
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但是就我发现有人告诉我们其实运科计划目前已经偷偷重启了而且已经开放申请了这个难道运动部已经先知道监察院调查结果会轻轻放下吗所以你们开始重启了当初不是说把所有的事情零定清除完毕之后呢我们再来做这样的部分为什么现在先有重启 |
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跟委員您報告那這個我們絕對不是輕輕放下那是不是可以有請我請運科中心執行長來待會回覆而且呢現在目前為止你承辦單位從國體大改為運科中心所以說就換了一個招牌換了一個單位之後好像就能夠再重新而且呢就參加的學員不好意思我們有很多學員參加他聽完之後他不認為跟過去的做法有什麼不一樣還是在玩文字遊戲然後呢一些說法裡面 |
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发生这么大的一件事情大家都很累还要经过这么样的一个处理但是呢我们还是必须要我个人认为必须要保障全手的健康跟权益之下才有办法来做一个进行在没有厘清相关责任之前你们现在要重新开启然后找人来做这样的听课你们这样有办法确保 |
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你们真的是在安全无虑而且大家都在同一时间进行检测吗如果是的话那为什么所上的课找大家来所讲的话跟过去事件发生前讲的一模一样好像这件事情发生之后就没有任何可以追溯的一个空间了是这样子吗 |
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跟委員您報告那些你感謝的你關心我們世大女主案那其實在去年的時候在這個會議中我們確實有在做後續的這個制度的相關性的這個探討然後也有制定出來那詳細的部分不知道是不是可以有請運客中心指引很快時間因為我時間到了 |
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跟委員報告我們特別是在法治跟運動員保護這邊做很多準備運科中心在今年成立了一個運動員沒有問題但是我只問你你運科計畫是不是又開始重啟開始申請在所有的這個案件沒有釐清之前你們是不是重啟又開始重新開放申請我只要問這件事 |
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那為什麼在沒有釐清沒有做出任何而且運動部在也都還在做調查的狀況之下可以重啟而且給予學員上課的這個整個內容跟過去一樣也沒有因為這件事情得到任何的一個部分起碼上課的學員覺得講的都是一樣這樣有改進嗎 |
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在運科資源的機制基本上是跟之前相同但是所有的這個運動員保護跟倫理的規範我們都訂定相關的一些制度在今年都已經通過了所以你在上課的你去跟大家聽完之後去做這樣的申請開這樣的一個會議當中這個審查會議你們的講法有不一樣嗎 |
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这确实有跟现场的学员说所有的计划申请的过程都需要经过我们的保护人会通过所以会经过一个很严谨的审查然后也要符合我们的伦理规范只要经过严谨的审查我还是认为这件事情在台师大女卒这件案件很多的案件没有离定清楚之前你们还是要有更积极的一个作为否则这样的憾事我们认为还是有机会会发生这是我们非常殷切期盼的 |
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可以嗎?還有包括運動教練部分,李楊部長兩個禮拜之內告訴我具體的時間還有真正可以獲得的結果已經很久了我還是一句話,體育人都期待李楊部長會有不一樣的措施這是大家對你的因應期盼,希望你能夠不要讓他們失望謝謝委員好,我們謝謝柯委員的詢答,請坐 |
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我們下一位委員蔡順籌蔡委員主席好各位同仁大家好有請李部長有請部長 |
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部長早安我要請問部長你知不知道昨天晚上發生一件體育大事就是2026年台灣國際田徑公開賽昨天宣布要停職辦理那我要請問部長你知不知道這件事情 |
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知道跟委員報告知道知道那要解禁這件事情的時候田徑協會有沒有智慧定斷步跟委員您報告那其實從去年開始我們一直輔導各個協會在今年舉辦國際賽事的時候希望由這個公務預算來去指引那當然在基金這邊我們有編列相關的預算因為避免可能會有相關的事情發生那我們也在今年開始因為現行的狀況來講我們也積極什麼狀況 |
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什么状况不能启行因为我们是新成立的部会所以在预算法的规定下面我们没办法动用动之这个新兴计划 |
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部長我聽到你這樣講我很遺憾我們同都是你我都是提議人我們對於選手的權益我相信你都知道我們都要守護那這個比賽呢就是給選手一個最好的磨練的機會然後呢我們也要為選手呢守護他的權益然後為他提供更多的一個比賽比賽機會那如同如果 |
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部長你說的新成立的一個部會在經會上有問題有困難那部長你有沒有到立法院來協商 |
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跟委員您報告那這個在法定的程序上面我們確實沒有過但我們一直以來都從到昨天為止我們運動部同仁都積極與田協這邊來接下希望他們來輔導他們來使用這個基金的預算來去繼續舉辦這個田協的賽事也跟委員您報告那到昨天為止都還是這樣那我們今天也會繼續跟田協來去做後續的那希望他們這個可以繼續舉辦 |
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田徑賽事能夠繼續舉辦這是我們台灣唯一一個田徑有積分的賽事沒有錯而且是國際賽那根據那個田徑協會的秘書長他說的是他的考量是行政院呢到今 |
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今年的立法院總議帥一直無法通過因此被迫取消賽事我覺得這計畫就政治化了那部長你知道嗎有一個新興計畫裡面有屬於 |
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硬盪品牌賽事有多少錢?8億對 有沒有通過?有沒有三讀通過?沒有經過法律程序的什麼叫做沒有經過那個法律程序都在立法院三讀通過請問部長 你知道嗎?有 |
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多少反對票有多少贊成的票是哪些黨同意要動用這一個款項是哪一個黨反對要動用這個款項部長你知道嗎跟委員您報告這部分我們還是會積極輔導那個田徑協會來去申請這一個基金的部分 |
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部長我要就是很沉重的跟你提醒運動尤其是教育跟運動不應該被政治綁架不應該政治化 |
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尤其運動選手是你我共同要保護的共同要守護的那不能讓政治來犧牲我們選手的一個潛意尤其是比賽尤其是國際比賽尤其是這個國際比賽是能夠讓世界看到台灣的而且也是讓我們台灣的選手可以花光花熱的一個賽事 |
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我覺得這樣的一個倉促的一個取消讓我們很驚訝那是不是請部長你在做在跟田徑協會做一個做一個協商跟委員您報告這個部分到昨天為止我們都還有積極協商然後今天我們也會積極跟田協來希望讓這個比賽繼續舉辦好的那我 |
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還要再跟部長講就是說這次呢台灣田徑國際公開賽的賽事呢它是就是選拔賽嘛就是免股屋它還是有積分打標嘛 一個積分的考量嘛對 一個積分的一個考量嘛所以呢在我們不應該有政治的一個考量應該我們要積極的來爭取這樣的一個比賽這個賽事然後呢 |
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跟委員您報告我們確實一直在積極的輔導協會繼續舉辦這件事情對所以我們並沒有好那如果是這樣子的話我們就希望部長你能夠積極的來爭取這樣的一個機會我們也都知道那個選手是需要 |
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一而再 再而三的參加比賽那部長你知道田徑選手他的一個運動年齡有多久他的一個登峰時期大概三至五年不像那個部長你是羽毛球的你可能你還可以打八年的奧運的一個金牌那你的那個羽球的一個運動年齡 |
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就是他運動的年齡比較長田徑不一樣田徑賽的選手因為他的體能是要做很強化的一個運動所以 |
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騰訊選手他的一個登峰時期大概3至5年所以我們要把握3至5年這個時間讓我們的選手能夠充分的來比賽所以像這樣這麼重大的一個賽事我們都不知道有沒有任何的一個訊息出來然後忽然間就宣佈說要停辦所以讓我們非常非常的驚訝所以呢我希望呢 |
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部長你能夠站在運動員的一個立場一定要堅持所有的比賽所有的國際比賽我們都要去爭取所有的比賽都不應該沒有疫警的就隨便的取消 |
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的這個權益參賽國際賽事的這個權益這個重視那不管是今年剛剛提到的田徑協會的這部分的舉辦的賽事還是後續的一些國際賽事我們都已經正在積極跟各個協會去輔導使用這個基金的這個預算因為我們是新成立的部會所以我們去年還是有編列這個體育署的預算我們可以只是不能超支體育署的預算那我們在基金的這部分一直在輔導各個協會去使用因為對 |
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是的 運動部是承接體育署的但是體育署也應該都有編列這些相關的一個監會我們當時就是避免可能會遇到這樣的事情所以我們今年還是有編列相關的預算所以在這裡我還是要提醒李昂部長運動一定不能夠分黨派 |
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那也不能夠當成那個政治攻防或者是嫌棄工具因為從田徑協會這樣的公告就是因為凍結沒有監會嘛所以不辦嘛那就有點政治化因為我們其實我們早就通過了先先計畫8億的錢那個運動賽事的這個監會要讓運動部來致用 |
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這個時候呢 里昂部長你應該要去跟行政院長要求他趕快附屬這個新型計劃如果行政院長附屬了 公告了這筆錢就可以用了啦 |
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所以我希望這個是我幫你解套的如果要辦你怕沒有監會就是找行政院長就好了找你們總院長把這個監會附屬公告那就可以用了 |
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跟委員您報告我們還是會積極輔導我們還是優先以保護選手參賽權為主所以我們還是積極輔導各個協會在舉辦台灣的賽事的部分可以今年先完成舉辦這件事情那比如說後續還有在花蓮舉辦的ICG的這個比賽我們都還是會積極的去輔導各個賽事的舉辦成功那就希望說這個各個協會能夠這個轉換這個申請的方式 |
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所以剛剛我就跟你這樣講嘛要跟那個行政院長去爭取啊那就是你應該要努力的這個監會都已經要給運動部來用了但是呢就是不附屬啊這個你要去爭取啊你要為我們選手去爭取這個監會啊 |
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跟委員您報告那確實在我覺得我們還是優先關心這個就如同委員您關心的運動員參賽的權利因為今年這個參賽的部分我們參賽的就如同委員您講的運動員的巔峰時間每一個項目不太一樣如果就您敘述的田徑可能3到5年的話那我們還是優先先把比賽辦好為最優先項目 |
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對 希望就是如部長你說的所以我們希望呢我們拿出我們運動員永不放棄這樣的一個精神為我們運動界為我們運動界來爭取更多的一個福利所以我們兩個的立場應該都是一樣我們都是來守護我們的選手的讓我們選手能夠在我們積極的爭取很多的一個機會跟比賽的一個場地 |
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比賽的機會讓我們的選手能夠花光花樂我想我們都是同樣的一個立場雖然你是行政部門我是立法委員我們同樣希望在監督你就是要讓我們的選手能夠得到應有的一個權益謝謝委員那我們請部長就是說你跟田徑協會協商了怎麼樣的一個報告書請你送到本辦來那你跟田徑協會要協商多久 |
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跟委員您報告我們今天就會繼續跟其實我們到昨天都一直都有跟田徑協會接洽這個同仁都有跟他們接洽去想辦法這個讓這個基金可以去舉辦這個賽事 |
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剛剛我已經有跟你講了嘛解套的方式是怎麼樣你就可以這個基金應該是沒有問題啦跟委員您報告我們今天還是會繼續跟田徑協會去做接洽那會後我們也會將我們了解到的部分提供給委員辦公室副董好好我要跟部長講齁就是我的辦公室的大門隨時為你開有什麼困難都可以到我的辦公室來協商我們一起來守護我們選手的一個權益好不好好 謝謝委員 |
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好 我們謝謝蔡委員的詢答下一位委員 郭玉琴委員好 謝謝主席 辛苦了 有請部長有請部長 |
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委員早安部長早安我想接下來這一題剛剛其實也有其他的委員有提過我想這不是單一的一個案件而是制度性的一個失守的一個問題那台中的這一起這個狼屍教練的性侵案從整個個案到整個所有的制度失靈的一個狀況我們來回顧一下這個松信教練他從108年到113年長達6年的一個時間受害的學生高達了82人甚至他也涉及了 |
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40部的一個性影像那最小的受害年紀大概是8歲這令人髮指而且他是有性侵的一個尾碎還有這個性侵的一個前科我想這個新聞一出來其實讓我們非常非常之憤怒那我想所有的人都在問為什麼這樣子的人他不是單一的個案 |
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他居然可以留在校園的球隊的體系當中可以留這麼久就算是地方政府他們沒有作為地方教育局沒有作為但我們的中央我們的運動部不能沒有角色這是我要提醒我們的部長那我想這個問題是我們現在看到的這個球隊的教練 |
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他們有些是校園的這個外聘那有些是運用有些是協會來推薦那請問這些人有沒有比照我們教師不適任的一個查核的一個機制有沒有強制性性平的一個背景的一個查核如果沒有 |
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那等於就是孩子在學校他變成有兩種不同的一個標準他穿上制服的時候教育局管但是他換上運動服的時候我們的運動部在哪裡我想這個我突顯的這樣子的一個問題喔那我想運動部有沒有掌握這個全國的校園教練的聘任的一個資格跟他的背景如果 |
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過去沒有那現在要不要開始介入我想這個我點出第一個問題第二個問題是有沒有全國封鎖的一個機制我想這個案子其實讓人最害怕的 |
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其實他不是一次性的犯案他是連續六年他是上百次的犯案上百次的犯案而且高達了82名的受害的孩子甚至這82名的受害孩子還是在檢調的調查當中還有沒有其他人是黑數我們真的不知道我想問的是如果今天一個教練他已經有這樣子的一個狀況了 |
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能不能夠有所謂的即時通報的一個機制能不能夠阻止這樣子的一個狼獅跨校園或者是跨縣市阻止他再次的犯案如果不行他如果只是離開了學校他就可以到其他的地方繼續的帶球隊那請問我們怎麼防堵這已經不是漏洞而已這是嚴重的破口 |
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我用破口來形容其實就表達我們對這件事情的一個憤怒還有我們運動部應該要怎麼樣重新來反省甚至我們要怎麼樣介入的一個問題再來第三個根據這個檢方的一個資料他犯案的地點包含校隊的一個教室宿舍還有宿舍外面比賽的飯店甚至在車上甚至在學童的住家 |
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這些都是他犯案的場域那麼對於所謂的這個校隊他在外出比賽不管是集訓也好 住宿也好我們有沒有一個強制性的安全的一個規範比如說我可以禁止這個教練單獨跟未成年的球員相處有沒有這樣的一個機制或者是我可以要求至少兩個人以上的陪同 |
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住宿的分房還有監督的機制在哪裡如果沒有我們等於又是把孩子交給一個完全沒有防護的一個環境這請何以堪再來第四點我們運動部這我要講的是請問部長 |
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學生穿上制服跟換上運動服中間的這灰色的地帶我們要怎麼樣來整合如果連所謂的這個教練的基本的背景的審查風險的管理通報的機制我們完全都沒有那我想這個案件不是偶發這是我們對於整個所有的運動體系長期以來忽略了所謂的風險的一個結果請教一下部長我們怎麼辦 |
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跟委員報告首先很感謝您對於這個學校的這個體育教練的這個問題的重視那在不適合教練的時候在運動部的成立以來其實就已經在這個不適合教練的機制已經進行那剛剛委員也有提到或許我們還有很多需要精進的部分這部分我們也會回去再好好的精進 |
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我給你三個方向我給部長提供三個方向第一個不適任的教練的一個查核機制這個我們是首先一定要開始一定要現在建立而且需要及時的介入第二個是建立全國校園教練的一個資料庫還有我們這個要跨部會來做一個即時通的一個整合跨縣市 跨區域 跨場域第三個就是比賽集訓的一個場域當中的一個安全規範我們可能也要馬上就要有這樣子的一個規範出來這三個方向 |
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可不可以請部長給我一個具體的回答我們什麼時候可以提出具體的一個方案跟委員您報告那確實在運動部這邊也有在研議相關的制度是讓市已經在研議了那什麼時候會出來 |
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跟委員您報告那這點上面確實我們需要這個我們目前評估的是適任的教練來申請相關的這個不適任的教練的公開可以公開嗎在網路上可以讓家長可以查得到嗎可以嗎孩子沒有辦法說話但我們要幫他說話可以嗎委員這部分我們會來處理你們會處理多久 |
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跟委員報告是不是可以給我們一個三個月可以嗎三個月嗎三個月辦法要出來好嗎好那第二個問題請教一下部長我想這個話也很重我講出來你可能大概就知道是哪一位選手說的不要以為我沒有手可以擋你就可以一直閃我耳光 |
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我想這句話非常非常重但是呢也非常的委屈我想這是來自一位他參加西班牙巴塞隆納國際帕拉游泳競賽當中他這次在這個50公尺他也拿到了非常仰視拿到非常好的一個成績雖然是拿到的這個國際賽的第七名但是他是亞洲的第一名這個就叫做林玉樹 |
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我想他剛剛的這個公開的一個控訴其實就在於這個總會的部分那我想這個制度的壟斷跟行政上的一個干預這個問題我想這去年年底這個林玉樹的這位選手他為了要參賽的一個資格 |
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爭取這樣子的一個機會我想這是對運動員您身為運動員你曾經是傑出的國家的運動選手我相信其實這個部長一定非常清楚能夠為了要比賽爭取這樣子的機會這對運動員來講是何其重要的一件事情他自行募款35萬準備要出國但是呢這本來是應該要被鼓勵的但問題就在於整個國際賽的報名的窗口只有中華的帕總 |
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他來掌握那再來選手他自費要參加最後卻被改成所謂的公費的一個資格同時連同他的教練也被臨時的更換這完全干預了整個所有的訓練那個體系我請教一下部長為什麼選手連自費來參賽的基本的權益我都要被總會來控制這到底是管理還是變相的行政壟斷請問 |
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跟委員您報告那林玉樹選手的事情其實在事情發生的當下他們已經是公費來處理那其實是整團因為這個中東戰火的因素好講到中東戰火我要講了因為中東戰火的因素所以帕總就整個臨時取消所有的行程對吧 |
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是嗎對然後他們安排帕總一句話而已喔帕總講說未來另有安排直接拒絕這代表什麼選手已經失去參賽的一個資格但是後來他還是自費去了齁但是我要問的是為什麼取消行程的決策跟標準有沒有達到那個標準的機制為什麼泳隊被取消但人家羽球隊沒有影響欸人家去了欸那是不是連自費都要看帕總的臉色 |
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跟委員您報告那這一團確實在暫別可能那中間確實我們有希望說是不是更改航程的部分那確實他也說要更改航程他還可以自行自費更改航程啊選手 |
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他有表達喔好 所以這個就是中間的溝通上的問題嗎還是怕種的強勢因為這樣子的一個強勢的介入強勢的阻斷選手參賽的一個資格跟機會那連同訓練的節奏也被打斷了阿母還好 |
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剛好這位零星的這個運動員他後來拿到很好的一個成績所以這個要不要被檢討如果沒有一定的標準片面的取消人家參賽的一個機會那我直接講就是兩個字叫黑箱真的就是黑箱所以這個要檢討再來我想我們每年都在補助所謂的這些總會包含帕總今年我們補助了兩億對不對去年大概是一億多 |
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去年是一多今年要補助兩億如果今天呈現出來的是選拔的標準的不夠透明或者是我剛剛說的行政的溝通失靈讓選手的權益是毫無保障請問部長這兩億的補助這個KPI的標準到底是什麼是不是跟帕總自己喜不喜歡這位選手的滿意度主觀意見有關係如果連基本的行政都做不好 |
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那請問這個總會有沒有退場的機制還有有沒有懲處的機制身為主管機關的運動部問一下部長跟委員您報告當然在這個 |
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退場的機制不太確定退場的機制不太確定我們現在其實可以開始研擬確定的一個方式可以嗎好如果他的正義這麼的大如果選手被影響公平參賽的機會都要被剝奪但他最後還是為台灣爭光了拿下了這麼好的一個成績那請問帕總的角色在幹嘛 |
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請問帕總的角色在幹嘛我再講一次喔具體提出三項的建議我也提供給部長來做一些參考我們來建立自費參賽的保障的機制不要被總會來惡意阻擋可以嗎可以好那第二個就是公開選拔跟報名的一個標準就像我剛剛講的如果我們有標準我們就不是黑箱 |
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我們避免黑箱所以我們要建立這個標準第三個對於帕總應該要啟動關於這件事件的一個專案的集合必要的時候是不是我們的運動部我們的主管機關可以來調整補助跟治理的結構我話講得還蠻客氣的直接講就是我們要對帕總我們來做一個深刻的一個檢討不要讓身上的選手 |
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他在國際上為台灣為我們國家在賣命但是他在卻被國內的總會的制度裡面給消耗掉運動選手的生命其實有就像剛剛這個其他的委員有提到他是有生命週期的那我想林玉樹運動員他是一個非常優秀的這個身上的選手他也兩度拿下總統教育獎 |
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而且為國爭光如果帕總因為個人總會的一個喜好對於這位選手的參賽的機會的一個剝奪我想這都是我們大家不願意樂見的從個案我們來檢討制度 可以嗎可以好 今天還有時間的一個關係喔本來我還有適應體育的一個部分要問沒關係 我們還有機會好 再次謝謝部長我們一起努力好 謝謝主席好 謝謝郭委員的詢答 |
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下一位委員 葛如君葛委員謝謝主席 有請李部長有請部長 |
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委員早安部長早我想你沒有拿羽球拍的姿勢也是很帥然後也還是要謝謝您過去這段時間你親自走訪非常多委員的辦公室包含我的辦公室來討論我們的這個體育政策也非常感謝那我們還有那個羽球跟皮克球還有podcast之約希望我們未來有機會可以實現那我想 |
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其實運動部去年9月9號成立已經擔任部長一職統帥全國運動相關的事務本席想要先請教運動政策白皮書的議題這個進度在去年的7、8月應該就已經完成了也有跟22個地方縣市有做諮詢會議 |
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運動部的官網也針對寫了很多這個全民健康全民運動我想這也是你最重要的一個想要做的事情那去年說去年12月底要公佈那請問部長這個白皮書現在公佈在哪裡本席現在是找不到 |
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跟委員您報告那感謝你對我們運動政策白皮書的重視那後續其實我們在運動政策白皮書的時候因為是之前就已經先規劃了那我上任以來其實就我們在統整整個部裡面的這個未來的這個10年的計畫的時候做一些修改所以可能目前還在修改當中 |
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這個修改這個時機我先尊重啦因為您的專業進來有一些調整我們都理解但是我覺得這個整個過程我們還是會覺得可能需要更透明更及時因為其實官網很明表也寫了114年8月27號說114年就是去年的12月底要公佈 |
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結果一直這個網頁都一直在那邊大家一直萬眾矚目期待結果本席呢發文過去問說白皮書找不到哇 結果網頁立刻就修改了部長你知道嗎我們忘完之後就修改這個 哇 上了一個這個頁面還不是上新喔也不是更新 也不是新聞也不是說跟各位這個抱歉我們需要更多的時間我是部長李陽希望大家再給我們一點時間沒有直接在同一個頁面改網頁 |
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所以116年完成這種超越時空之數部長可不可以這個假設真的是跳票我覺得不太好吧我們有沒有機會 |
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具體的來講什麼時候可以完成?會不會再跳票?可不可以加速?作為這個基本政策的藍圖我理解你的用意是好的那趕快規劃那今年預算書送來以前我們可以趕快來審跟委員您報告那很感謝您對於我們運動政策白皮書的重視那謝謝您看到我們在官網上的部署那確實這點上面是我們運動部需要去檢討的那後續我們當然會盡速去完成運動政策白皮書的規劃時間 |
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時間目前是規劃於116年完成那當然我們會儘速完成對 部長您笑得也是有點尬尬的啦您也知道本來是去年年底要完成的如果你到116年2027一拖拖兩年我不知道您的任期會不會可不可以快一點啊這116年寫得不清不楚的啊到底是年初年中還是年底 |
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跟委員您報告那我們當然真的會盡速去完成因為運動政治的白米蘇是我們未來十年的大方向我提示一下部長本來2025年年底就要完成了你理論上我覺得我們應該要期待2027年年初吧是吧因為你就delay一年多這已經有點誇張了我們能不能機會瞄準2027年初啊 |
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跟委員您報告我們會盡量在這個2027年年初想辦法完成太好了謝謝我想部長這樣勇於認識我們絕對大家都會非常非常的感恩感動就是說重視運動我們大家一起來努力那您過去做運動員我們也想來關心一下這個另外的這種運動的項目其實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7500.83 |
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非常多的東西要改善然後其實暑假即將到來民眾要參與水上活動的頻率開始增加那想跟部長聊一下有關救生員人數的問題這張圖不知道部長有沒有看過 |
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跟委員您報告確實是第一次太好了我覺得這樣的交流就非常有意義其實這張圖是歷年救生員檢定的預算數和通過的人數圖中我們可以看到108、109年實施公辦檢定以後通過的人數大幅滑落你可以看到而且預算增加線性增加成效突然在107、108年就大幅下滑 |
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那這裡面呢有非常多是制度的改變那一開始初中是良善的希望可以更嚴謹的來做考核可是嚴謹的考核初中利益良好結果結論是沒有辦法提升了導致我們的救生員就一直開始進入一個缺乏的狀態有非常多的游泳池水道縮減有很多的游泳池減少開放的天數有很多的游泳池沒有辦法開放 |
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我覺得這都是可以討論但最可怕的是救生員不足很可能會導致我們的水上活動的安全會受到影響所以我想請問我們上一次去年底有請教過黃次長跟全民署的房署長署長說有想辦法要解決比如說增加公辦檢定的場次 |
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公檢委辦上面去提供器材的租借所以我想請問一下部長或者是同仁今年救生員的公辦檢定打算辦幾場有沒有要增加因為之前有單案要增加那對委辦公檢委辦的部分有沒有多提供一些幫助那預期我們今年的成效我們今天2026嘛成效如何能夠產生多少位救生員 |
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跟委員您先做一個報告那5月起我們確實會辦理大概20場的利害關係人的深度訪談那比較詳細的部分不知道是不是可以請署長來是是請署長 |
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好 謝謝委員關心 針對那個今年度救生員那個檢定的場次 我們預計是辦理60場那一樣嘛 一樣60場 去年沒有增加因為我們那個場次的部分 我們會因應不同的需求來做一個調整沒關係 部長已經聽到了啦 其實就沒有增加那第二個問題 有沒有公檢委辦 有沒有在提供器材的租借 |
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有 目前我們會朝這個方向來朝這個方向來 借了沒嘛借出去了沒嘛提供的資源給了沒嘛有 只要有民間的認可機構這邊要辦我們這邊都會提供我們聽到你們要有辦法你們要主動積極夏天就要到了Summer is coming你們不能說我們在這裡等著你來不是吧 我們不是這種態度吧 |
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對 近幾月大概也都密集的辦理了四場我們按照那個相關的一個期程這邊來工檢委辦今年有辦四場嗎工檢委辦我們都有在辦理啊不是 幾場工檢委辦的部分我們今年就是預計60場 |
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欸 署長 部長在這裡 我們講話要清楚啦公辦檢定六十場啦 不是公檢委辦六十場啦 是吧對啊 這個國會殿堂講話要很具體好不好因為我們現在的問題就是說 你公辦檢定的數量一直沒有增加你公檢委辦的數量也沒增加 而且你一旦調整以後人數就巨減嘛 |
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那你這樣調一調 到底今年能產生多少個救生員本來是700嘛 736嘛 今年預計多少 |
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這個我們可能再查詢一下我們會後再回報因為還是要看每個場次現在四月了理論上今年的結果我們應該去年就已經有預定了我們才能夠規劃相關的預算啦人力嘛每個場次報名嘛來我們就來講 |
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你講得很好 為什麼你們估不出來 不管估 很簡單嘛你們去年的公檢委辦只辦了三場而且成效明顯不佳 原因很多檢定的場地跟訓練場地規範不同檢定要求水深150公分 而多數的訓練場地 這個也請部長關心多數的訓練場地只有140公分 就差這10公分 |
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結果一堆場地就沒有辦法辦檢定了導致場地難尋第二個容易虧損機構不願意辦理依照我們現在新的檢定辦法一場檢定要42個人報名才能夠不虧錢就各種條件你要丟繩子要什麼本席了解去年就有委辦是沒招辦42人的這機構辦不起來你弄了三場展示了辦一場賠一場 |
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誰要來跟你公檢委辦到時候全部是公辦檢定人數又不夠你場次也不願意增加部長拜託回去研議一下到底什麼狀況是難以達成的齁那這個研議的部分可不可以兩個月內給本席一個改善的狀況為什麼抓兩個月啊我知道這個辛苦夏天要到了好不好這個而且這個每年都有夏天啊部長可不可以兩個月內研議一下官委員報告謝謝你重視這個救生員的這個相對的機制那我們兩個月內 |
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給委員您謝謝有一些情況我也想讓部長了解因為你看其實一一四年的救生員訓練這是訓練的部分不是檢定的部分訓練的部分其實能夠如期辦理的場次只有十一個地方你看那個開辦率有很多零趴的代表什麼你不只是公辦檢定的場次不足訓練出來的人數不夠跟以前的破千人到現在只有七百人不夠你訓練因為你要訓練完才能來檢定考試 |
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就訓練的部分也一直在降有這種零趴的部長也能不能在演繹的部分側面了解一下到底什麼原因好不好到底是考照流程太複雜還是因為他訓練要錢考試又要錢需不需要一些幫忙 |
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還是說這個工作我們因為法規太嚴謹了導致未來上班很容易被告薪資責任不對等等拜託部長我想每一個運動我們一體共事而且為什麼我很重視這一題因為阿宅腰不太好 |
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游泳是一個很好的比較伸展的一個運動我相信台灣有很多人會因為這個運動受益這全民運動的一個很重要的項目啦所以這個未來朝這個方向努力可以嗎可以 謝謝委員那另外喔救生員人數是人類人類我們現在再把它提升起來其實需要一點時間那我們一直在討論到科技的 |
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那本席去年質詢有提到AI防逆系統那有詢問是不是有機會可以裝設多一點的AI防逆就是說在這個過渡期啦我相信部長一定會做得很好把救生員人數拉起來可是這個過渡期啊當時我們資訊的時候啊黃次長有說可以朝這個方向來努力就多裝設多一點的AI防逆系統來保障民眾的安全那這個溺水啊台灣的這種運動意外啦 |
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是排名非常前面的前三名那這個部長了解一下你也會嚇一跳那我們說希望朝更多裝一些AI房地利的系統來努力當時次長說黃次長說可以朝這個方案來努力多一點沒有問題但是這一次的報告我們有看到 |
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確實有幫AI防疫科技放進創新運用但是裡面提到的導入台中市、新北市、高雄市以及金門縣的場域這些其實都是過去看到的今年的規劃是什麼有沒有編列預算可不可以多做一點部長還有同仁可不可以來說明一下 |
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那我剛剛講為什麼時序我要講得很清楚就是說你們金門我們也很感謝 |
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但是金門的這個預算跟規劃是更早之前就做好了我的質詢的時候其實金門的已經決定了那我質詢的時候黃市長有說還可以再多一點那今年我們現在是沒有看到所以今年AI的防疫可不可以再增加不然黃市長在國會殿堂跟我說會多一點結果並沒有安排這怎麼這個可不可以信守當時 |
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這個運動部的承諾能不能再多一些AI防溺的相關的規劃讓國人在水上運動不管是開放水域啦現在開放水域也可以裝AI防溺喔游泳池也可以喔部長能不能在暑假前提供一份我國各地AI防溺系統的裝設情況以及未來規劃的報告如果今年的我們還能夠用什麼形式再去加強 |
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能不能做到這第一個報告一份報告可不可以在暑假前我想也許委員暑假應該是七月七月那我就覺得要快一點啦能不能兩個月內好不好AI防疫的部分兩個月內兩個月內好不好然後呢也希望部長也就了解一下還有沒有空間因為趕快做因為你說人員訓練在考試那很長相輔相成 |
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可是如果AI再進來那我們就立刻說明今年我們就可以看到游泳人數大增為什麼水稻不是縮減而是增加游泳池更多的開放這個我覺得會是讓大家很感念部長的一個非常重大的作為好不好這涉及國人的安全那也讓國人多一點運動部長一定要重視此事我們一起努力好嗎沒有問題謝謝委員關心謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們各位委員的資訊下一位 陳秀寶委員謝主席 請李楊部長有請李楊部長 |
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部長早安部長您在4月7號有到本席選區來參加河美全民運動館的開幕那河美全民運動館在本席的關心以及我們政府推動全民運動這個決心中央補助了一億元那部長您還親自來參加開幕典禮民眾都感受到運動部對我們全民運動的重視當然當天很多民眾非常開心看到他們心目中這個非常崇拜的偶像 |
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但是當天有個狀況就是真的這個縣長有拿計畫說要請部長帶回的這個爭議在這邊本席要先強調爭取地方建設其實本席一直都在做並我想不管是地方的建設不管是校園的不管是運動的設施相關的設備我都非常努力在爭取我相信部長跟我們運動部的同仁們都非常的清楚我一直都有在協助地方做這個地方建設的這個經費的爭取並不是說在現場 |
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有媒體的時候拿那個計畫書出來給部長您這個才是真正的才有在做地方爭取那部長您是不是說一下當時的狀況跟委員您報告首先當然是非常感謝委員其實一直以來對地方的建設都非常相當的關心以及支持那其實當下我有跟縣長這個說明情況就是按照現行的狀況我們確實比較難去通過那我有跟縣長說明就是如果他正式發函我們運動部絕對會入案 |
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那對我們目前的情況當下我確實是回答預算還沒有過第一個預算還沒有審過第二個如果說有爭取的這個計畫上來我們也一定會照這樣的程序來補助給地方那有媒體報導是說縣長當時是要拿其他鄉鎮的這個全民運動館建設案給部長 |
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那這個部分呢本席還是要再強調這個延續型的這個計劃新增部分在運動部這邊高達30.2億元那主要是要辦理各地方政府新建整建運動場館這個預算但是因為到現在 |
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這個預算還是被藍白擱置還沒有通過所以運動部其實就像部長剛剛您講的因為預算還沒有審過你也不知道你能夠拿到多少預算被刪被減被凍之後到底有多少錢可以來補助給地方這個沒有辦法事先做這樣的承諾那本席在這邊真的也要呼籲藍白在野黨盡快的我們盡快來審議115年的總預算 |
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不要自己不省預算 耽誤了 耽擱了地方的建設然後怪罪部會 怪罪我們民進黨的立委沒有協助爭取地方建設地方的這個經費喔這種本末倒式的指責還可以這麼理直氣壯 我真的是覺得很無言 |
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好 那個部長我們接下來來關心關於女足球員這個連署的陳情那運動部這邊是說已經有介入足協也表達說在30天內完成調查但是根據女足公會昨天的聲明是月8號的聲明來看運動部以及足協這邊做的可能跟球員的期望是有很大的落差的那本席在這邊要代表女足的球員再次向運動部來要求 |
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針對女足球員在4月8號的幾項聲明裡面我要求我希望運動部跟足協至少要滿足前兩項第一個部分是我們應該要檢討就是這個檢討要盡快的完成在兩週內完成因為6月份就有國際賽了我們不能耽誤到這個國際的這個賽事所以這個檢討要盡快的完成第二個部分是希望不要有任何形式的秋後算帳 |
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不能因為她們有表達她們有這樣子的要求那在未來的參賽的資格裡面被這樣子被丟或算帳的話其實對球員是非常不公平那對我們可能去爭取到的這個好成績也可能是一個很大的打擊所以在這邊我要請部長你能夠具體的承諾就是說剛才講的這兩點至少能夠要求至少能夠做到因為女足她們在昨天的訴求有至少有四項 |
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那這前兩項是不是請部長這邊可以承諾會回去督促並要求足協盡快來完成相關的檢討改組以及人力補足各位委員您報告首先非常感謝您對我們足球運動員的重視那在女足這一塊我們確實我們也親自的在之後會我本人會跟女足的選手來開會親自了解他們真實的訴求以及需要我們運動部幫忙的是什麼那我們會盡量來幫忙 |
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那我這邊還是要請部長您承諾就是這個相關的檢討是不是兩週之內可以完成我們不要影響到六月份的比賽跟委員您報告那我們會在跟選手這個確認後那絕對不會讓他們影響到這一個後續的國際賽事那我們會了解選手的這個狀況然後我們會一直督促這一個足協來趕快繳交這個報告 |
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因為部長您本身也是運動員出身所以他們也很希望說您能夠很同理他們所遇到的這些困境您能夠協助他們來解決那在這部分就是部長您已經有承諾了一定會全力的來協助這些女足來盡快改善他們所遇到的這個問題對我會親自跟他們開會了解他們真實的訴求然後看我們運動部可以怎麼協助選手我們要保障選手的權益 |
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其實足協的問題不只是傷害到球員讓球員失望其實民眾也是覺得十分的憤怒當教練他的合適性是需要球員用這樣的方式來反應 |
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代表这个足协的内部其实是已经很长期的忽视到球员的意见像这样子一个打压异己专制的这样的治理的方式不是我们所期待的协会应该有的表现所以在这边要请运动部及足协可以深刻的检讨讲一句比较重的话我们羁押了多久腐败了多久就需要有多少的力气跟多少的决心来做改变 |
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這個部分部長您一定要盡全力的來協助當然好 謝謝再來我們接下來想要來關心就是兒少運動相關的問題根據調查顯示現在的兒少最喜歡的職業第一名是職業運動員 |
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因為現在我們國人的運動風氣很盛行加上我們的職業選手其實在我們的國際舞台上一直都有非常好的成績所以我們的孩子們都很憧憬他們希望自己可以有機會成為職業運動員 |
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但是我们根据统计的资料却显示说台湾有高达八成多的低年级的儿童运动时间没有达到WHO建议的每周应有七个小时的标准台湾儿童这个达标率不到两成显见我们儿少规律运动这个养成运动部还要很积极的来看待积极的来办理 |
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那在這邊請教部長對於培養兒少養成運動就是比較有規律的運動的這個部分運動部現在有怎樣的政策來協助 |
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跟委員您報告那這個我想這是我們與教育部會積極來努力幫助這個這一個不管是體育班還是非體育班的學生來養成規律運動的習慣那當然我們現在來講包含我們在成人的部分我們有社區俱樂部的部分那也在已經公告也且收案也已經陸續收案了 |
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體育班畢竟是少數但是大部分的學童大部分的兒少運動時間不夠或者說是不是說他們在課程的安排上或是在學校的這個社團活動可以怎樣來協助這個部分我希望部長你們有比較具體的一個報告給我 |
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沒問題跟委員報告我們會提供報告給您好那很重要的一點我們的兒少要放心的運動運動教練及環境的安全是非常非常的重要那目前我們針對不適應教練的這個管理機制就很明顯的是不足的 |
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公民團體有指出有長期性侵及猥褻多名球員且遭判刑入獄的教練竟然目前還仍然擔任社區棒球隊的教練不僅是長期參與多項少棒錦標賽甚至在 |
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運動部列明支持的賽事的轉播中有上場指導的這樣的特寫鏡頭這個球隊甚至也透過學校家長會來租借學校的場地並且還鎖定弱勢家庭兒少加入而且竟然是目前還在持續招生中 |
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不是任教練可能潛伏在各種運動場域這也是讓家長難以放心讓孩子參加各項運動課程一個很重要的原因所以這也是造成兒少運動率低的一個很大的因素 |
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那運動部你們說為了讓家長可以比較放心是有設置了一個不適任教練專區但是部長您看一下喔不適任教練專區你們只有提供姓名運動種類及判決書那這個判決書的連結甚至點進去是很難載入點進去你看就是這個畫面就是點不進去或者說它下載不下來 |
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其實想知道訊息的人點區他沒有辦法知道說真實的狀況是怎樣那像這樣家長沒有辦法從這個專區得到完整的訊息所以他很難去辨認不適任教練而且不適任教練專區只有遭受判決確定的人 |
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如果是说曾在学校内有严重体罚霸凌学生或是因为性平案件而解聘曾被社会局认定儿童虐待或开罚者没有办法在这个专区里面搜寻到那像本局刚刚提到的有这个长期性侵权违宪球员这个教练不适任的教练专区里面也没有相关资料可见我们这个系统的整合以及更新的这个讯息的速度是有比较 |
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沒有辦法符合家長的要求這個部分部長您的看法呢這部分我們會去來檢討然後去進進 |
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所以本席會希望說運動部你們要通盤截討這個不適任教練專區這個設置包括相關訊息及時的更新以及相關的資料的整合這個希望你們都可以盡快的來改善我有去看一下參考一下這個台北監理所他這個酒駕累犯專區的部分 |
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它上面顯現出來就會有相片然後有部分的身分證然後姓名以及簡略的違法行為它讓你知道說這個人為什麼他被列在這個上面那點進去名字它有相片是有足夠的訊息可以讓民眾 |
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去辨認辨識說這個酒駕累犯的這個人喔那所以本期希望運動部在這個不適任教練專區的資料揭露可以參考像這樣子的一個訊息我們提供足以讓家長可以辨識運動教練適任與否這個訊息譬如說提供部分的身分證號教練證號甚至是照片來 |
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讓家長能夠比較完整的可以做辨識這個部長您覺得可以研議嗎可以謝謝部長我沒有要求你們一定要一步到位但是你應該循序漸進去做好這一塊去完善讓不適應教育專區越來越可以提供到家長他們所需要的訊息同時也會有個嚇阻的作用 |
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讓步伐的人士有所警惕那也希望說運動部也應該跟地方機關配合來防堵任何不適應的教練繼續在運動場域的這個情況我們也應該要我們的兒少提供一個安全的運動的環境那這個部分我希望運動部可以在一個月之內提供書面報告給本席辦公室可以嗎可以好 謝謝部長謝謝主席好 謝謝陳秀寶委員的詢答 |
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也感謝陳委員非常關心我們兒少的相關權益我想也要再一次的拜託部長要積極處理不適任專區的教練資訊揭露已經有多位委員提出相關的質詢代表相關的政策有很大的檢討空間請務必在短期之內趕緊提出相關的改革謝謝 |
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想徵詢我們所有委員的同意我們是不是休息五分鐘讓我們的官員他目前到現在都已經沒有上廁所OK喔 你可以嗎你可以宣告我講完休息啊我先徵詢你同意不用緊張您好像激動了因為剛剛里洋部長從九點到現在都沒有上廁所所以才徵詢你的同意那您不同意我也會尊重 |
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那我們就在林議警委員質詢後來休息五分鐘讓官員能夠上廁所下一位林議警委員好 謝主席 尤其李洋部長部長早安部長早 |
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我想世界棒球經典賽您也在現場所以這個所帶來的感動我想大家記憶猶新可是棒球這個發展能有今天這樣的成績我想也不是一蹴可擊那是國家要長期投入對運動員的支持 栽培 培訓 |
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所以嘴巴上說支持為台灣隊加油的藍白兩黨其實實際上他們就是在扯我們整體運動發展最大的後腿怎麼說運動部好不容易催生了 |
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運動部除了選手的照顧 栽培以外其實我們很大的就是要發展所謂的運動產業那可是藍白為了搞政治鬥爭那卻有38.8億的預算 |
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招攬板硬生生的擋下來連付我都不付為那其中包含我們新興資本支出及新增預算有8.6億還有延續性的計畫增加的額度有30.2億好那運動部就是一個新興的部會那我想李洋部長你從一個這個選手來擔任這個部長我想也是這個任重道遠可是這個新成立的部會預算 |
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連省都不省 大規模被擋了下來那這樣子的話 怎麼樣去好好的把運動部發展所以目前這樣運動部的規模 我感覺啊比原本的體育署還不如啊那好 昨天發生了一件憾事喔就是2026的台灣田徑公開賽那本來 他說因為立法院的預算遲遲未審議嘛所以他就被迫取消 |
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那這樣的一個公開賽的贏標我想是很多選手要進這個名古屋亞運的很重要一個賽事所以一旦取消我想會嚴重影響到選手的權益那我想選手也為了備戰這個公開賽也都調整好自己的腳步那現在突然喊咖不只說什麼積分我想這個對選手的這個訓練狀態心理調適都有很大的影響 |
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那況且我想這一屆的這個台灣田徑公開賽好不容易是被世界田徑總會升格為週季巡迴賽這個贏標籤我想部長你應該非常清楚喔這個贏標它有多具指標性喔它全世界只有46上 |
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46場的賽事獲得這個銀標籤的認證那甚至亞洲區也只有四個市場那其中一場就在我們台灣所以我想這個占比其實是非常低不到一成那而且這個銀標籤已經等同於世大運的這個積分的規模 |
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所以這對於我們台灣的這個田徑運動的發展是很大的突破就那麼重要的賽事那突然因為預算的問題那突然被迫取消我想這個其實這個很難想像啦那對台灣的田徑選手其實也很難負責任所以我想要請部長說明 |
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就昨天田協在公佈台灣田徑公開賽的資訊喔後不到6個小時他就宣布取消這中間你了解他的決策的過程到底是怎麼樣啊那為什麼田協用公開喊話的方式表達說預算短缺是一個問題那在田協喊話之前運動部沒有跟他們表達說其實還是可以辦 |
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因為可以用你剛剛有回答委員說可以用基金來處理那這部分你怎麼說跟委員您報告首先很感謝您對於我們運動員參賽權益因為他這個田徑公開賽的部分確實也是一個名古屋亞運達標的賽事那這部分其實我們運動部的同仁一直都有跟田協來輔導 |
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這個說今年因為現行的狀況來講我們的公務預算確實沒辦法動之那現行的狀況來講我們一直在輔導各個協會在舉辦國際賽事的部分來使用這一個基金的預算這一邊那我們運動部的同仁一直都有跟田協來做這個接洽以及輔導 |
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那填寫是沒有聽懂,不然他怎麼會宣佈取消?可能在輔導的過程中在今天之後我們還是會繼續輔導填進協會我們還是希望能將這個賽事繼續舉辦在我們台灣您是希望,我們大家都希望,可是希望能不能成真啊?所以賽事能不能繼續啊?講白點 |
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這部分今天我們會繼續跟田徑協會來做溝通我們當然運動部以及委員我相信我們都希望這個比賽繼續來舉辦那我們會積極來跟田徑協會來做輔導好 那甘部長你說如果能舉辦也是用基金來支援嘛可是這應該不是常態吧 |
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就是說它不是長期的這個良性運動的發展因為公務預算你原本打算是用公務預算來支出嘛用公務預算的支出才是有穩定度那你現在反反覆覆嘛因為現在就是預算 |
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不審嘛 那預算沒通過嘛所以我想這個對台灣的這個運動的國際信譽其實也很大的傷害然後也傷害國家選手的權益所以我想齁 這個藍白不審預算然後美其民啊 說挑幾項他們想要的然後就說這個可以什麼先行 新興計畫什麼先行動之啊可是我們根據立法院啊 這個職權刑事法第七條 |
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預算案本應該經過三讀通過所以他這種胡搞的動資案根本沒有前例而且國家預算是整包我們是為了國家整體發展的一個總策略不是攬白說拆 說切割就切割處理所以以上的疑慮 |
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就大家也都覺得你是不是真的可以這樣子這邊切一塊那邊切一塊來先行動之部長你怎麼看你是不是認為總預算就是要整包整體一起通過不是用這種挑撿的零散的式的方式來處理跟委員報告這點當然是我們希望說總預算可以通過那當然確實在現行的狀況下我們還是會積極輔導各個協會來使用這個基金預算我們還是希望說我們可以身為運動部可以保障所有運動員的參賽權益 |
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好 那談到預算問題除了這個剛提到的台灣田徑公開賽以外那我要跟部長反映一下就我們台南市上個禮拜舉辦的這個國小樂樂棒球比賽那現場的工作人員說明年的比賽可能會停辦因為預算被砍他是這樣說啦那台南市體育局是說明說這個普及化的這個樂樂棒球賽是中央計畫補助這個局 |
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就是他補助中央的計畫他補助舉辦全國的這個決賽跟地方的預賽可是今年中央就只有補助全國的決賽那甚至先行預告明年起可能要取消 |
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我們很清楚棒球是國球那樂樂棒球雖然跟一般的棒球不太一樣可是它因為球具安全那場地也不受限男女老幼都可以一起來參加所以它是接觸棒球的最佳入門所以這個也是所謂的推廣球迷運動的一環所以現在好因為中央預算的問題那這些地方型的這種普及化運動就被迫取消那部長你覺得這個部分你怎麼看怎麼處理面對這樣的一個狀況 |
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跟委員您報告 那這個是不是請詳細的部分由署長來待會回答會比較好好謝謝委員關心 針對那個115年度那個我們普及化運動 爆發樂樂棒跟那個大隊接力的部分過往是在體育署時代有延續在辦理參與的對象大概都是校園裡面的一個小朋友以班級為主隊 |
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那15年度我們今年這個針對全國決賽部分我們這邊還是會延續的來舉辦這個沒有問題所以地方預算就不補助地方的預算的部分我們這邊就是可能就預算關係我們沒有辦法說全部補到22個縣市全部都辦理地方的預算決賽的部分我們這邊目前也已經有積極在規劃所以今天的部分沒有問題然後針對是不是116年度這個部分我們這邊會提兩個部會 |
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我們大概都有定期溝通的平台我們明年的辦理方式或是辦理的對象這個部分我們會跟教育部這邊再來做一個討論跟溝通好 所以很明顯嘛就是說我們這個國中小這個普及化運動這個計畫我想因為預算沒有省而導致很多東西都被卡關不是現在本來地方預算地方的預算可以補助現在也不行現在只能補助全國的決賽 |
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那所以可能縣市政府如果在會礙於經費的問題可能地方的預算也沒辦法辦就如同台南市政府他就說明年可能不辦了之類的好所以我想要請運動部來盤點一下就是因為預算這個不省的狀況之下有哪些運動項目有受影響那影響的程度如何那我想是不是給本席一個書面報告一個影響的衝擊評估報告好不好 |
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可以委員謝謝好那另外跟您討論就是說亞太這個城邦主球場的問題喔那天我們那個統一師開幕戰你也在場喔那我想你很清楚就現在這個主球場是台南市政府來管理可是除了城邦主球場以外的其他的六座球場都是依循這個國家棒球訓練基地的計畫由運動部來管理那所以部長您來看就是說 |
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亞太棒球村整個球場包括主球場是台南市政府國訓中心是六座那整個怎麼樣整合它的資源整合的管道假設未來有日植、韓植的球團 |
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要來台南來春訓或者說來台南打國際賽的球隊他怎麼樣去妥善的運用這邊的一些設施所以這個是不是需要做一些整合所以我是認為運動部的角色就不只是輔助而已我想你應該主動去扮演領導的角色那通過有效的資源整合才能讓亞太棒球村成為台灣的棒球心臟 |
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那我上個會期就有提過說我們現在大聯盟球隊啊都有都廣泛引進那個智慧發球機這個部長你很清楚那用真實的這個投手的投影片那包括數據模擬這個投手真實狀況然後像這是經典賽我們就有 |
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用台灣研發自己研發的高階的發球機來做訓練所以部長剛剛有提到亞太已經是一個現在國家棒球的訓練基地那後續會不會引進更先進的這些運科的設備來提供選手做訓練那另外就是我剛剛提到的怎麼支援整合包括選手的住宿啊膳食怎麼樣這個空間怎麼樣規劃部長 |
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跟委員您報告,那我們也感謝您對亞太國家的棒球訓練基地的重視那確實我們也希望說將亞太國家棒球訓練基地打造的是像委員您所說的這樣是可以成為我們一個培訓的一個基地那目前都有在做跟這個台南市以及棒協去做這個了解然後以及做接下合作那這部分我們會繼續積極的往這個方向走 |
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因為那裡其實現在目前還非常陽春雖然說這個球場都起來了可是我剛說的住宿 膳食那個生活機能都還沒有有所以是不是你要打在一個所謂的棒球村必須要有這些生活機能那未來春訓的這個選手過來也會比較容易選擇我們這樣一個場地所以我想這個要請部長再做一些資源整合盤點怎麼跟台南市政府攜手合作來打造這個棒球的這個心臟好不好 |
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那另外花一點時間跟你談一下水上救生因為水上救生它是在結合游泳跟救生技巧一個競技運動那溺水除了2023年正式被聯合國世界衛生組織列為重要的公共衛生議題 |
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在國際救生總會的努力之下他已經說服了這個澳洲的澳委會跟IOC國際奧林匹克委員會體育部門的支持國際救生總會會正式提出申請計畫在2032年在澳洲主辦的奧運會要把水上救生運動正式列為奧運 |
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比賽項目所以我想台灣在水上救生的競技培育上因為我們每年都舉辦全國中學生水上救生運動這個錦標賽這個賽事表現的部分其實像在2024澳洲世界救生錦標賽中台灣的男子組他的選手在12.5公尺的拋繩救生項目勇奪金牌 |
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那創造我國國家隊在世界救生錦標賽首度奪牌的歷史那可是救生救水上救生比賽這個重視的程度我們台灣對這個比賽重視的程度其實我覺得遠不及其他的水上運動所以部長既然它已經有可能列為未來的奧運項目所以你是不是要對這個水上救生這個運動這個競技投入更多的資源這個部分你有什麼想法規劃 |
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跟委員您報告那這部分我們會去了解水上救生運動的部分我們會去規劃他們跟協會這邊規劃他們的這個資源的分配好謝謝部長謝謝委員好謝謝部長我們現在休息五分鐘 |
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走走走 走走走 |
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是不是正式扣案這件事你是還沒做到?因為我們必須要知道需求然後接下來才是扣案對接到各個護照中心或是大學所以大概是這個感覺所以我覺得應該也許是可以說是我們只是先 |
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了解需求然後還沒有順序正式進入quantum因為我覺得那個我本來是在意說因為當初就是抱怨起來說機制要先建立然後才會啟動那他大概覺得說我辦的時候你會改就要在那裡啟動但是如果因為就機制的好我先說第一個盤點實際上經濟室那邊應該已經之前盤點完了所以那個很大一個問題 |
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現在是說正式開始運作起步應該是7月之後的時期現在大概就是先是 |
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現在繼續開會稍後由吳思堯委員質詢之後依先前的宣告我們要來處理臨時提案請吳麗華委員進行質詢謝謝主席有請部長有請部長 |
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委員早安部長早安我作為一個原住民的立法委員我非常的樂見運動部的成立其實我們也是為了提升整個國家的運動文化成立了運動部其中其實我非常重視全民運動署 |
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因為我認為全民運動署是整個國家運動文化轉型的重要關鍵也是產業發展的一個基礎那更是我們很多原住民孩子投入運動之後他未來的職涯發展很重要的一個關鍵所以在這邊我很期待的就是未來投入運動的原住民孩子他 |
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運動生涯結束後或者他畢業之後那他能夠有工作所以在這邊我想請教一下因為我知道運動部成立以來有很多職缺都還沒有補時對吧部長跟委員您報告那目前來講到年底的部分整個運動部包含全民運動署大概禁用率會達大概七成好 |
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七成其實還是讓我感到很憂心因為這是一個很重要的工作要有人來帶領底下的大家一起打仗那您才有兵啊所以我也知道您目前非常的辛苦因為運動部應該很多職缺都還沒有補時對不對 |
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那我知道運動部底下有三大行政法人國訓中心運動科學中心還有運產中心也就是國家運動產業發展中心那在這個部分呢我也知道就是董事長已經出來了那也在準備中 |
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那我看到他的目標是落實全民運動建構共享的運動環境提升舉辦國際大型賽會能力的以及凝建度還有跨部會合作整合資源協力推動跨域合作創新促進運動產業及科技發展我在這邊就是要特別透過質詢來提醒 |
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因为我知道在这个筹备过程中我们会运用到很多很多的人力的招募那我在这里就是让部长您知道一下因为我们原住民的族人在我们目前国家整体国人的比例已经来到2.7%那其实这个2.7说实在很少可是我们去看一下以我们的中职来讲 |
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原住民的中職選手佔40%那這次打的經典賽WBC原住民的選手佔57%將近六成那如果我們看2024的奧運參加的原住民運動員有兩成20%奪牌的是25%兩成五 |
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所以2.7%的原住民人口在我們整個國家的運動員或者是賽事上面其實都展現了一個非常驚人的比例所以我在這邊就是特別要提醒因為運動產業的主體就是運動員我希望我們招募的人就是提供給這些運動員 |
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那決策的成績呢我也希望要有運動員的聲音這就是為什麼賴總統特別為我們選了一個兩面奧運金牌的一個運動選手來擔任我們的運動部部長所以我也提醒部長不要忘記那既然我們的國家隊有那麼多的原住民甚至打一半我也希望 |
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在這個決策層不能夠沒有原住民這個是我的一個提醒那不曉得部長您的意見如何跟委員您報告那這個原住民族的部分我們絕對會非常看重那也跟委員您報告那非常感謝您對於我們運動部的人士以及這個原住民族的重視那這一點上面我們絕對會支持原住民族 |
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所以我在這邊就是特別希望說針對這個國家運動產業發展中心的編制他的職位他的任務他的功能有沒有辦法到辦公室討論或提供書面說明 |
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可以 这部分我们可以好 可以那谢谢那接下来我是想要请教一个问题因为部长您应该很清楚就是运动部成立以来很多很多的业务其实不要说你们特别是我们因为我们也不太知道跟过去的教育部的体育署现在跟教育部到底有怎么样的一个分工我们也不是很了解但是我举这个例子来讲 |
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我們現在有很多的學校在反應因為過去在教育部體育署他有一個補助計畫叫做山野教育推廣計畫那這個山野教育推廣計畫過去學校去辦登山體驗可以最高補助五萬如果呢他們有所謂的課程所謂的課程就是例如登山教育加環境教育或者 |
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登山教育加探索教育或登山教育加環境教育加探索教育都可以最高可以補助到12萬但是呢今年度這個計畫看不見了所以學校也不知道該怎麼辦可是呢今天你們的運動部的專報裡面我們可以看到也有寫推廣山林運動但是這裡頭呢就是提到有國家公園署 |
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有林保署有園民會甚至連交通部都有提到那我們就不知道說到底現在那些學校他們長期以來當時我們行政院推廣的向山致敬衍生而來的登山教育課程那現在到底該怎麼辦是斷吹了嗎還是一場誤會那我就不曉得說到底還有沒有部長 |
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跟委員您報告那這部分其實我們是去年9月9號才成立的運動部那確實過去為教育部體育署那其實在分工上面我們確實在兩個部會都有聯繫的平台那在這個部分的話我們會積極與教育部去溝通協調在這個部分希望不要讓這個基層的學校受到這個傷害 |
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其實我也要跟部長說明其實這個登山教育成立以來真的雖然是希望全民登山向山致敬但是我們很多的原住民學校因此有了這些補助可以請高山向島 |
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他們開始敢帶孩子去登聖山每一個族群都有它不同的聖山排灣族的大武山布農族的玉山等等所以我想這個是很重要的一個活動我希望我們不能斷吹我們讓它繼續好不好 |
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那最後我想要請教部長一件事因為我有排考察到台東體中那最主要的原因是因為他們台東體中有培育非常多的國手那這個 |
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其中有一個項目叫做現代五項那這個現代五項呢過去你也應該很清楚極限游泳射擊跑步馬術可是你也更清楚很多我們台灣我們國家這些學校的選手通常都會放棄哪一項 |
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馬術通常都會放棄馬術好巧不巧我的助理國中的時候也參加過現代五項他也是放棄馬術因為第一個馬場就不好找那也貴重點是也很有它的危險性所以通常我們國人都會放棄這一項可是因為打馬事件所以2028 |
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奧運要改為把馬術變成是障礙跑我覺得這個是我們國家的機會啊所以呢我們很希望能夠去把這樣的一個障礙跑的設施設備能夠處理那我知道的是其實長期以來政府提供給台東體中 |
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有很多投入非常多的設施設備的改善經費這個我很了解但是他們目前就是沒有這個障礙跑的設施設備而且說實在錢也不多不到1500萬那我不太曉得說部長您的意見態度如何 |
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那在現代五項馬術已經換成障礙跑的部分那確實我們會希望說讓更多的民眾能夠來參與這個然後希望它可以變成更加多人參與的一個項目所以部長您的意思是說會支持來做這樣的設施設備的補助改善我們會支持任何一個運動 |
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所以會願意嗎我是希望說也有可能的話就是把它變成是國訓中心的一個分部這樣會不會更理想跟委員您報告這個我們會來評估看是否有機會這個 |
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我是希望朝向這個方向因為2028在即嘛我覺得現在2026年初年中其實我們還有兩年多的時間可以準備所以我希望不要拖速度要快因為有很多的孩子其實另外的四項成績都很優秀那如果這一項的成績也能夠拿到我相信是很有幫助的好不好 |
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好 那也請部長您加油您做得很好 要加油 要挺住謝謝謝謝委員也謝謝主席好 謝謝吳立華委員的詢問請坐我們下一位吳世耀委員謝謝主席 有請部長有請部長 |
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委員您好部長辛苦了聆聽您一個早上的答詢我覺得您對於業務的掌握還有對於整個詢答的過程不卑不亢我覺得有很多的進步給您鼓勵跟加油那我也很希望我今天質詢的第一趴的這個主題下個禮拜可以不用在這裡提出來了因為 |
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整个国家总预算能不能够复为审查就看在野党的委员这周五能不能够来让他真的交付审查而不是再当放羊的孩子我们希望审预算如果支持运动就审预算我昨天质询国科会我也同样的感同身受感触良多去年教育文化委员会通过了AI基本法 |
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可是因为总预算不省新兴计划连带影响AI新十大建设就有高达102亿同样的去年我们朝野支持成立了运动部可是巧妇难为五米之炊如果挺运动就省预算我希望下礼拜我不需要再来 |
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重复这样一个主题对在野党的委员喊话我希望下个礼拜我们就能够真正复为审查请在野党的委员不要再狼来了不要再当放羊的孩子那总预算不省运动不受害而今天的专报的主题是全民运动 |
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我這個PPT的左邊就是整個運動部因為新興計畫以及新增預算加總起來A加B因為國會不審預算連帶total影響是74.65億這是運動部受影響的而跟今天專報主題相關的全民運動 |
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是高達55%也就是有41.34億因為總預算沒審全民運動今天我相信大家都關心所以召委第一個運動部的質詢在新會期就安排全民運動可是正因為總預算沒有審就高達41.34億的全民運動的預算沒有辦法支應這不是國人期待的不是社會樂見的 |
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那麼當然很快在野黨委員就回立槍就來了一手黨錢就發生在昨天的彰化的現場我覺得您的回覆也非常的得體公允作為一個運動部長不分顏色不分黨派沒有預算你就是沒有辦法支持國家的建設 |
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那没想到连两天连续两个回力标就是又来到我们今天影响到的是无数的运动员的权益影响到的是我们的田径产业更影响到我们的国际形象的这一个田径赛没有办法举办那您已经清楚的说明了会用基金来支应所以说您百分之百就是打包票一定全力支持让这个赛事不会办不了办不成对不对 |
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跟委員報告那從昨天其實從去年開始我們一直在輔導我知道那其實一直以來到昨天我們都還有積極跟田協做這個那基金的選項有沒有之前就提出來基金的選項我們一直都有輔導田徑協會那我們今天還是會繼續跟田徑協會希望說在保障運動員的參賽權益下我們還是希望可以將這個此次的賽事能夠辦在我們台灣 |
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希望這個總預算之亂李洋部長能夠有效的拆淡先用基金來支應來協助重要的國際賽會賽事不受影響但是冤有頭債有主剛剛還是有在野黨的委員又來做賊喊抓賊了 |
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因為是國會不審預算但他們現在甩鍋給卓榮泰院長甩鍋給行政院說我先放行的一個718億這一包道理要說清楚講明白以國家總預算來講3兆350億只放行718億代表國會擺爛了97.63%的預算不審 |
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新兴计划以国家整体来讲只放行的718亿就是丢包了76%的新兴预算而在运动部我们今天关键的是运动预算我听您试算出来了左边的这一个下方左边的这个表呢其实还扣除了你的运发基金93亿哦 |
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所以說公務預算跟補助款加起來121億里頭在野黨的委員只抽出新興預算的品牌賽事的8億代表什麼93.39%的運動預算被在野黨被國會擺爛而如果就新興預算這邊來統計的話 |
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只放行8億但是是丟包了89.3的新興預算就是今天的主題有41.34億的全民運動沒有辦法來推廣冤有頭債有主我們還是要把道理勇敢的說不分顏色我們只問是非 |
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我不希望下一次排運動部我還要再拜託總預算趕快審再進行同樣的喊話不要再浪費國會的時間不要再浪費國人的時間我想您要做好準備如果總預算負為審查 |
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还是需要一段时间了那会不会有另外一个国际赛会没办法办或是下一个县市认为它的建设受到影响您可能这个球会接不完所以要像您在场上一样求求要能接而且能够要预先未雨绸缪超减部署好吗好下一个全民运动人人都是运动推手我看到一个亮点计划叫做村里认证很好下一页首先跟您分享哦 |
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全民運動跟競技運動就是我們的兩大塊的重要政策面向競技運動就是要培育更多的運動員運動家但是吳思瑤我更關切的是全民運動的這一端我們要培養更多的運動家庭 |
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運動家很重要專業的運動員很重要國際奪牌的這個目標很重要但是政策方向我們應當更側重在培養更多的運動家庭我一再的跟您提醒有運動家庭才會有好的運動環境運動氛圍那這裡有四個人總統 |
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還有您部長還有市長還有這一位最右邊這一位你可能不認識誰會是最好的運動推手從總統部長市長到最右邊這是吳思堯的北投文我家的那個里長叫黃聖宗里長吉慶里哪一個是最重要的運動推手 |
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跟委員您報告,我個人認為在運動產業以及推手來講,我覺得都非常重要。ABCD都重要,這是最政治正確,也是真的最正確的回答。不要忘了,力量很重要。所以我們有了下一頁,村里認證的計畫,113年是事辦,136個通過,114年正式上路,有214個里正式獲得運動村里的認證。這個計畫呢, |
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預算好少好少只有850億雖然少但是要做好我希望來年要更增編更擴編在對的方向上下一頁我會為您爬梳出幾個問題運動村裡的認證其實是換寡也換不均的全台灣有7752個里 |
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申請數只有4.23的里328個來申請通過數只佔 |
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所有7750个里当中的2.76%而申请通过的比例是不低的有6成5是因为来申请的人不多那你右边的这个图可以看到他明显的城乡是有失衡的请看最下面那个红色的这个bar平均全台湾各个县市 |
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有每一个县市是10个里获得而六都呢是18.3个里获得而非六都就只降到只有一个县市6.9个村里去参与而且获得这个认证这就是告诉我们换寡也换不均而且他有城乡的失衡这是问题下一页所以说我替你很快的 |
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分享我觀察到的問題我就不細究不論述時間也快到了第一個這個認證現在只有書面審查只是paperwork所以為什麼城市的里長他可能這方面的他的資訊落差 |
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比较能够弥补它没有这些数位落差它也比较有资源所以在你的评比的项目去看个里的运动现况有多少场馆场所你平常做了哪些活动的推广这都用量化来取代质化这是第一个问题只是paperwork没有实地的去访查第二个问题是 |
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政策誘因不足啊部長你知道嗎如果獲得認證 這個里長 這個里可以獲得什麼獎金 獎牌 獎品嗎 |
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好我跟你說就是一個運動村裡認證的標章然後寫上新聞稿看記者要不要提要不要報導然後運動部如果有在這個縣市辦活動這個裡可以優先邀請你這是第一個政策誘因不足第二個宣傳方式很陽春你們怎麼去跟里長宣傳呢只有辦說明會 |
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現在都是iPhone 17了我們不能還在用Nokia好嗎所以說宣傳方式也要來加緊的來調整再下一個獲獎的村裡是須有其名是什麼意思呢 |
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我以我自己士林北投我在準備這個質詢的時候我發現我的士林北投加起來有九個里長獲得這個認證很棒可是我自己有點摸不著頭腦這個里因為我都很熟悉他是為什麼獲得這個認證呢你看不出來 |
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所以說虛有其名是說你只公布了他的名字這個禮很棒北投的集慶禮很棒但是他是因為做了什麼好的創意的運動推廣讓他獲得這個認證是看不到的所以說推動的亮點沒有辦法被推廣出來 |
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这是我看到的第三个问题所以我最后的建议有下一页请您可以学习环境部也有很多透过邻里去推动永续城市低碳家园的平等你可以去学学他们的经验他们会有实地的考核 |
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更重要的是他不會是一次性的他會你一旦被列入這個生態綠化小組或是節能節電小組他會永續的每年都在去考核讓你看你是繼續是名流榜上還是 |
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就拜拜了这才是有意义的今天时间非常有限给您肯定运动村里认证的这个做法里长会是很好的运动的推手但是要给资源要给诱因可能也需要给补助更实质的 |
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給里長他們有更大的動力還有你的宣傳方式要更創新然後考核也要能夠符合事實而不是只有paperwork只有量化而沒有質化沒有時間讓您最後您要不要最後回應一下這些我的建議是不是都能夠急速來調整跟委員您報告那首先非常感謝您對於我們這個村裡認證的這一個重視那我個人也非常重視這一點那委員您的建議我們全部會來做 |
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好的計劃就好事不要做半套我們做更多做更好做得更到位後續我會持續的關心好謝謝謝謝部長好處理臨時提案共識案請並宣讀宣讀後再逐案進行處理 |
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臨時提案一 列以查台灣女足代表隊球員日前集體發聲提出重整教練團制度透明化正式球員新生三點訴求並在運動部以足協回應後由女足球員工會進一步補充事項要求盤點自去年4月紐西蘭女足因足協場地問題霸賽迄今 |
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各種爭議運動部每次事件後均強調進行輔導考量李洋部長上任後運動員權益與協會改革是重點是正方向為重建球員與社會對於運動部監督之信心建請本案由部長親自列管並除要求足協應於兩週內完成相關調查運動部亦應於兩週內公開提出輔導措施為何失靈之檢討報告測定作為 |
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並針對女足球員與公會合計之訴求具體提出對應提案人陳培宇 吳佩玉 郭益晴 吳思瑤提案二 鑒於運動部成立後對持續推動校園與基層運動發展相關補助計畫為目前與教育部之權責尚未明確釐清跨部會機制尚未建立影響運動政策推動之連續性 |
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為強化跨部會協調機制提升補助政策透明度與執行效能請運動部依會同教育部全面盤點目前涉及學校體育之相關補助計畫包含經費來源補助對象 |
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項目內容審查標準及執行方式2.明確區分運動部與教育部與學校體育基層運動發展及相關設施補助之前則分工並對外公開3.檢討是否存在補助重疊資源分散或制度落差情形並提出具體改善方案4.對於目前標準內容及主則單位多次變動之情形 |
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提出檢討說明及後續穩定機制原則請運動部於一周內提出書面報告 |
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鑑於近期松治冰案引發社會高度關注顯示現行教練資格審查與任用機制未能充分反映相關犯罪紀錄之風險評估對校園安全及學生權益造成疑慮現行制度與事前審查與風險辨識上是否足夠仍待檢視各機關間性犯罪紀錄資料串接與查核機制上代整合 |
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原件請運動部應全面檢討現行教練資格審查及管理制度原意強化限制或禁止其擔任教練之規範並應會同教育部、法務部、衛福部等相關機關建立跨部會資料比對與事前查核機制強化教練任用前之背景審查 |
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另應全面盤點現行教練證照核發及管理流程檢視是否能有制度漏洞提出具體改善措施與時程並於兩週內提出書面報告以立後續監督與追蹤提案人 羅廷偉 羅志強 葛珠君 |
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臨時提案四 鑒於我國女足球代表隊近日集體對外發聲顯示我國競技運動體系在治理制度設計上仍有待強化 |
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国家代表队之运作应建立与专业分工程序正当与资讯公开之基础,方能兼顾竞技表现与运动员权益保障。原建请运动部应就国家队教练团组成与管理、训练及用人制度、内部沟通机制及相关经费运用情形进行全面盘点与检讨。 |
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並提出具體改善方案及推動施程並於兩週內提出書面報告以立後續監督以追蹤提案人羅廷偉、羅志強、葛如軍宣讀完畢好臨時提案第一案是不是請提案委員要補充說明 |
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我想我就是確認一下運動部這邊的進度是不是可以如同我們在臨時提案四個委員的連署這邊可以完成那另外就是因為球隊其實一直跟女足公會都有密切的合作所以也建議就是跟公會一起討論這樣這邊我們運動部沒有意見可以謝謝委員曾召辦理謝謝好那臨時提案第一案召案通過 |
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臨時提案第二案請提案委員補充說明的話這個部分因為我是提案的委員我沒有要補充說明是不是請機關針對臨時提案做回覆跟主席您回報是否可以將一週內改為兩週呢 |
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臨時提案第二案依照機關的部分來修正文字以後亦討論後這樣子的一個修正文字兩周修正文字通過謝謝委員謝謝主席臨時提案第三案 |
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我也是提案的委員那我沒有需要補充說明的那是不是請機關直接來做補充跟主席您回報那是否在第三段在第五行建立跨部會資料將筆對拿掉變成借接查詢然後與揭露機制然後以提供用人單位任用教練前置背景審查 |
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然後在最後一段是否可以改為一個月內提供書面報告好謝謝我們部長目前這個文字上大致沒有意見但對於一個月內我不能接受因為借接跟主席您回報這個借接這個查詢確實會比較 |
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複雜一點 也還是想要跟主席您回報 |
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其實我記得沒有錯的話對不起我先補充我記得沒有錯的話如果有錯可以給我糾正我記得陳培鈺委員好像曾經在司法委員會提出對司法單位是這個部分的一個建議其實在界階上我認為法務部應該要全力的支援所以這個部分你們應該強力的溝通但一個月我覺得太久了是不是可以再提前一些請 |
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好 謝謝主席雖然我不是提案委員可是既然主席都點名我了我就說明一下其實我們在司法法治委員會的時候是問過法務部因為如果你要把所謂的犯罪性犯罪紀錄這件事情納進來其實就現行的法規是不行的 |
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是本来就有疑义的我刚刚的质询内容指的是原来的教练登录系统里面例如说陈培宇已经是棒球教练了那我在我因为犯了性平的案件所以我的棒球教练证被取消我在棒球教练之时是不合格的可是家长如果上网去查他只会看他只会看不到陈培宇的名字他并不知道陈培宇为什么没有这张证 |
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我當時的建議是我們會有一個區網站上另外一個網頁是針對陳培瑜為什麼被取消例如說犯了性平法什麼什麼第幾條這樣就好了讓家長知道說我的這個教練曾經犯過這個錯那如果我還是要找他那個是我的選擇沒有問題我指的是這個但是如果你要直接 |
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好 謝謝 |
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所以呢我的提案你可以再往前嗎我想剛剛陳培宇委員有提到那確實在法務部這邊我們跨部會合作我們會盡量但還是想要跟主席您回報不知道是否可以給我們一個月的時間我們會盡量去 |
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完成這件事情主席那我建議啦我們都在意這個事嘛我是不是有一個具體的建議主席也可以參考看看兩周內提出書面報告他們大概就只能就現行的法規對跟你說不行可是我要說部長我要提醒你我覺得一個月都有困難 |
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因為法務部跟司法院可能對於兒少性犯罪這件事情他們他們站在他們的司法部司法院的本位去思考但是接接到要讓家長可以開放查詢嗎還是老師都可以查詢還是一般社區人都可以查詢我覺得那個真的是要審慎的研議所以是不是一個月你們只是報告而已對不對跟委員回覆就是對我們目前目前可能是我覺得三個月要把部會要找來開會都有困難這樣 |
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好那就先給你一個月時間謝謝主席臨時提案第三案依討論後的修正文字通過處理臨時提案第四案那我也是提案的委員那就直接請機關針對這個臨時提案做回覆跟委員您回覆那是否在第二段的最後倒數第二行並不利於我國體育改成運動 |
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然後在第三段的第三行這個請運動部應就國家隊增加足球國家隊教練團組成增加足球兩個字好我們臨時提案第四案一討論後修正之文自通過謝謝主席以上謝謝我們在場的委員謝謝委員好 陪伴我們一起把臨時提案給完成謝謝柯志恩委員 羅志祥委員李坤澄委員 鍾嘉斌委員陳佩玉委員 吳思耀委員 謝謝 |
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好 臨時提案處理完畢繼續進行詢答請李坤城委員詢答謝謝主席那我們請李部長有請部長 |
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委員吳安部長好上次跟部長一起去爬觀音山希望下次有機會再一起去跑步我覺得我應該是屬於不會喘的那一種委員的體力非常好令人驚呼這樣子有我們金牌部長的認證讓我信心十足好 那請教一下因為今天大家都很關心我們的田協本來要舉辦台灣田徑公開賽 |
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那這個後來這個田協的秘書長王景成他就說因為總預算沒有過因為這個是應該在這個台灣品牌賽車2.0的預算裡面是屬於這個新興的這一個預算裡面然後因為這筆預算呢現在沒有過嘛整個總預算都沒有過那所以呢他就宣布這個要取消這個賽車我覺得是很可惜那後來今天部長有提到說利用這個基金預算的部分那可以希望田協再來舉辦嘛是不是 |
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對 跟委員您報告那真的感謝委員您對於我們這個運動員的參賽權益的重視那在這點上面我們從昨天一直以來應該講說這段時間一直以來在輔導各個協會在現行的狀況下去改為申請這個基金的這個預算然後希望不要影響到運動員的所有權益參賽權益 |
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那現在因為這個田徑竟然是屬於贏標籤就表示說國外選手也會來參賽嘛也會來報名嘛對不對對所以如果今天取消的話其實影響的當然我們自己台灣的選手會影響打因為這個可能涉及到說這個今年九月舉行的這個名古屋的亞運的嘛 |
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還有有打標的問題還有對國際賽舉辦賽事的一些這個信譽問題對啊所以我是覺得說田協不要輕易就放棄就是說當然我知道他的原因是在於說沒有預算不是說他本身不願意辦那所以說現在用激進的方式那田協有同意說他願意再舉辦嗎 |
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跟委員您報告,那我們今天會在自己在跟田協這邊做積極的接觸希望他可以繼續舉辦這個賽事那有沒有信心在讓田協繼續再來舉辦我個人是希望他可以舉辦成功因為其實這對不管是國際上還是我們台灣的選手都是一個達標的賽事其實非常對選手來講其實非常重要 |
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因為每個選手要參加比賽有一定的積分才能去參加更高階的比賽我也希望說部長跟我們所有運動部的同仁再努力希望這個田協這項比賽不要取消掉這影響到台灣的選手的權益很大那也會覺得國外選手覺得說因為本來要來參加了後來 |
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怎麼沒有辦呢?他們不會去管說是因為台灣的這個預算沒有過他們覺得說台灣怎麼把這個賽事取消了那剛剛部長也有提到說除了這個田協要辦這個比賽預算受到影響之外還有沒有其他的類似的這個比賽也受到影響 |
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其實應該是從去年運動部成立的時候我們就已經積極輔導各個協會在今年的這個2026年的時候來使用這個公務預算但因為在現行的狀況下那我們都已經轉為輔導協會來使用這個基金的預算 |
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過去就是避免會有這樣的事情發生所以其實在公務預算以及基金預算我們都有編列相關在國際賽事的舉辦這一個部分那這部分我們都會積極輔導各個協會那因為停協它就受到影響我在問的是說除了停協之外還有沒有其他的本來是在公務預算後來改成基金的 |
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應該是原本輔導各個協會的應該是所有比賽都會有遇到相同的狀況那當然我們都會一併的輔導各個協會我們還是希望說能把原有的賽事能夠繼續舉辦所以我們還是會輔導各個協會使用基金來舉辦賽事那你知道說田徑辦這一場比賽要花多少錢嗎 |
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跟委員您報告他申請的總經費為兩千萬兩千萬那我們是就是兩千萬就補助嗎?全額補助嗎?跟 |
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跟委員您報告那他申請的補助的本部的補助的這個額度為1472萬那對對對補助占七成左右了嘛對啊那當然對他們來講你沒有這個補助當然要辦下去就很困難了那我希望說除了天協之外其他可能會因為公務預算沒有辦法這個三讀通過了這些協會要舉辦的這個比賽那你現在都是把它轉到基金去的嘛 |
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就不要受到影響那會後給我一份資料有哪一些協會今年要舉辦這一個比賽然後本來用公務預算後來轉到基金去了那是不是都可以順利來舉辦會後再麻煩給本席一個資料因為今年九月就是有這個民股亞運了嘛那預算有沒有通過對於這個民股亞運有沒有影響 |
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跟委員您報告這部分預算沒有通過應該是我們民國亞運應該還是在基金的這部分來控制那還好有一個基金要不然沒有基金的話連這個民國亞運都會受到影響那我最後再請教這個部長我們現在你們這個運動部裡面有這個運動幣嘛對不對對然後呢衛福部有健康幣嘛 |
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對那你們運動幣就是這個每份五百塊讓大家用抽的然後是做運動看比賽添裝備嘛對不對然後呢這個那你知道衛福部他們有健康幣 |
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知道那他們健康幣呢他們是說你如果是接種疫苗健康檢查嚴正的篩檢這些行為累積健康的這一個積分所以我是覺得說那當然運動部希望說有這個運動幣但是運動幣我看起來是屬於比較靜態的因為你說看比賽添裝備當然有一個做運動可能到這個運動中心或是其他運動場合這個是屬於比較動態的 |
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然後呢這個衛福部的這個健康幣呢又跟運動的關係又比較少它雖然名為健康幣可是就是比較是屬於健康檢查這個癌症的這個篩檢等等然後累積積分那當然呢這個不論是運動幣或是健康幣我想請這一個部長可以參考一下新加坡新加坡他們有一個Healthy 365 APP |
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那它這個Healthy 365 APP它就是你下載一個程式然後它引導民眾在飲食、運動、睡眠這方面做出更有利健康的一個選擇然後它透過可以累積可以兌換的一個制度讓每一次流汗轉回實質的回饋等於是說你如果有運動 |
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運動的這些實質的這些點數可以換成紅利那紅利你可以變成比如說買菜的錢那這個大家就有誘因了而且它這個APP除了個人之外它也可以跟這個社區一起結合然後跟這個社區有一些主題的活動和一些社區的挑戰賽讓個人的活動可以跟社區的這個社群一起來參與 |
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那我覺得這是比較動態的因為它直接是透過運動直接透過運動然後累積點數然後呢可以讓大家有這個動機去那除了可以轉成這個紅利買東西那也參與這個社區活動甚至還可以做公益啦我不知道部長之前知不知道這個新加坡他們一個健康促進局有這一個APP |
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感谢您对我们的运动币的重视,我确实在之前不太清楚新加坡,但确实我们在运动币这一块,确实是未来有正在往这个方向在规划。那其实我是建议啦,就是说有运动币又有健康币,是不是可以跟你们运动部跟卫福部可以做个整合啦? |
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公委員您報告這部分那個這個院長也有指示說我們這個幾個幣都會希望說有這個跨部會的合作對啊就是說不然大家搞不清楚說到底健康幣是屬於運動部還是衛福部然後呢這個運動幣運動幣大家可能覺得是這個運動部啦但是我是希望說第一個 |
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把這兩個幣做個結合第二個比較動態一點的那個動態一點就是說不是我看比賽或是說我去做健檢希望動態一點就是說你有做運動把這個運動呢利用這個APP下載然後變成一個點數那這個點數累積呢我們可以做我剛才所講的那些事情可不可以你們朝這個方向參考一下新加坡的這個APP然後呢鼓勵大家全民來運動 |
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跟委員您報告我們會往這個方向來那大概多久可以給我一個方向就是說這個運動幣當然你們要跟衛福部一起討論但是大概這個方向如果往這方面來走的話做整合這方面來走的話大概多久可以給我一個初步的報告跟委員您報告因為健康幣目前應該還沒完整的出來那是不是容許我們運動部跟衛福部好好的溝通後續的發展那是不是 |
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那沒關係 那我會後再請這個運動部還有這個衛福部我們一起來討論一下好不好 給你一個時間短時間你也不容易說這多久能做到因為不是只有你運動部啦還涉及到這個衛福部 好不好好 謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝我們下一位中嘉賓委員 |
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有請部長跟署長 |
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文文部長好署長好現在越來越多人很欣賞你越來越欣賞了全民運動競技與體適能並重社區扎根借重技專校園的專業來我們來看一下請教部長您覺得過去我們就在錄目標是不是升學競爭現在是事先發展 |
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我個人認為因為過去人口多嘛 對不對所以升學要競賽啊 刺激大家讀書啊那讀書就是為了追求那個排名啊接受這個優勝者的這個光環可是現在少子女化了我們的教育目標開始強調什麼適性發展 多元入學強調的是追求自我突破跟成就當升學不再只是一個考試競賽您認為全民運動的願景有沒有什麼轉變 |
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跟委員您報告我們當然希望說在全民的運動的比例還有規律運動的人口可以上升那我們的人口上升那當然我們自然運動的身體健康運動的風氣健康提高對沒有錯運動的目的過去好像是比賽求勝對不對所以學校辦理比賽吃雞運動所以追求排名享受贏的感覺 |
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現在我看很多年輕朋友投入這個自我鍛煉他要追求體態健康管理享受健康對不對所以過去我們靠競技比賽帶動運動風氣現在運動促進身體健康心情愉悅是不是這樣子我們現在運動追求的是促進身體健康嘛心情愉悅嘛那你覺得指標是什麼指標是 |
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運動可以增加身體健康那其實我自己在這個假日的時候也看到非常多這個民眾會去健身房運動其實覺得真的規律運動的比例很高答案在你的右後方啦就是你們的房租長告訴我的他說我們自我端倫的指標就是要提升體適能我也蠻認同的所以年輕人去健身房自主測試體適能運動強身體健這個很好 |
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可是在非都區區的長輩族群他們或許的運動的習慣就走走路從年輕到老都在下田耕作你叫他出去搞個什麼運動他也沒有目標誘因請問我們的政策要怎麼介入怎麼提供誘因如果讓這個非都區區的長輩族群也可以意識到體適能的重要性你有沒有注意到那些早年操勞的像下田耕作的長輩們他們年長後的體能其實是相對一般人是更衰老的更快 |
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你覺得怎麼樣讓他們去知道要保持自己的體適能而不是說早年夏天我很勇啊五十斤的大米我會扛著跑啊您覺得呢各位委員您報告那首先非常感謝您對於我們全民的身體健康還有後續的體適能這部分的重視那是不是由署長來待會回答來署長 |
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這個變成是老師教學生了來這個都是跟你的簡報拿的全民運動署提升國民體適能的正確運動你們要部件固定循回體適能的解散對不對是的這是那天我聽到你的簡報說的我很認同那請問那麼怎麼樣提供專業的建議帶動長輩去運動你要去哪裡設這個檢測地點呢部長我請你來急問急答直觀的問題來 |
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在廟口廣場請長輩來做體制能測試還是公園綠地還是社區活動中心這我們鄉下都在這些地方看到長輩你覺得咧社區活動中心對一半因為我打個問號我覺得這三個都不是以上皆非因為檢測站需要科技設備對不對需要專業操作還有人員引導是不是這樣有沒有覺得受騙的感覺沒有沒有這三個來我是覺得 |
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用這個如果從科技設備專業人才和引導的人力我覺得公司立的技專校院全台有73所有5萬名師資40萬個學生這些人可不可以成為你們部件體測站的一個非常重要的基礎 |
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好 來 署長你幫忙打一下我們因為設置那個體適能檢測站我們還是需要有一定的設置標準包括它的一個師資包括它那個人力的一個還有器材 器材也都需要經過相關的檢測所以這些其實都是我們潛在的所以這個是很不錯的一個基礎 對不對部長 這是很適合來幫忙我們全民運動 我們體適能好那你們運動部有沒有找計專校園來合作有沒有考慮過 |
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現在跟我們申請相關的一個包括一般的檢測站或是銀髮體適能檢測站的有包括大川校園是的這個跟部長說您這個署長很不錯我上週去教文考察的時候呢他特別到我們屏東一個大仁科大他們也專門做一個簡報然後呢他們這個簡報就說他們希望在屏北地區設一個國民運動休閒中心但是署長說我們是不是先來做體適能當下學校有時候非常好來往下看 |
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所以在季專校園他是提供檢測體適能的方案那個學校也提出來了他們可以運用穿戴式的檢測數據建立個人專屬健康存摺精準體態的檢測提供客觀的身體數據請問一下如果這個學校在屏東他已經提出這樣的想法了你們運動部會不會要提擬一個推廣計畫接受季專校園的提案來協助我們推廣這樣的一個計畫呢 |
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報告委員目前大仁科大這部分是還沒有跟我們這邊來提出申請不過因為他具備了相關的一個條件是不是我們這邊也輔導大仁科大這邊是的那個跟我們來提出相關的一個申請設置部長我是希望你們要一個推廣計畫善用這些公私利的計專校園而且你們有沒有建立一個受理提案的標準告訴這些公私利的計專校園可以來提案有沒有一個標準審查標準有沒有 |
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書長有嗎?有,我們有設立相關的一個審查標準這部分當下都有提供給大家謝謝,所以部長,您這個部署不錯下次有機會給他一個調升一下,往下看加薪啊,口頭加名都可以運動部是不是來擬定一個體適能檢測的推廣計畫把納入公私利率的計算效應來合作,要不要?可以嗎? |
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有 可以另外你們也已經成立了一個建立了一個受理提案的標準是不是趕快的把這樣的提案標準趕快的廣為跟這些大專校院宣導請他們來提案幫助我們運動部來推動全民運動好不好好可以喔可以那就謝謝部長跟署長謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝鍾委員 |
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我們下一位質詢的委員是王宏威王委員有請謝謝主席我請李部長有請部長還有國際事務司張司長張司長委員您好好司長 |
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今天本來聚焦一個蠻重要的問題就是我們的世界台灣國際田徑公開賽的問題 |
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本來我們中華民國田徑協會的秘書長說這是因為我們立法院的總預算一直沒有辦法通過我想請問部長如果部長不清楚可以請旁邊的司長代為回答我左邊這是你們運動部的在送進立法院的預算書請問一下台灣田徑公開賽 |
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是不是在我所框起來的就是台灣品牌賽事的精選計畫的這個科目裡面跟委員您報告在運動部成立的時候我們輔導各個協會是希望說在今年都來申請這個是不是這個因為我們就是論事因為預算我們要一個一個看跟委員您報告那我們後續都已經輔導他們希望他們來申請不是啊 |
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這個科目對不對嘛來市長回答因為這個是你們所編列的報告委員我們是每一個年度在結束的時候會選出精品的這個精選賽事科目對不對我框起來科目是不是正確的目前我手上沒有這個科目應該是列為2.0裡面的 |
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13425.66 |
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13452.773 |
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没有错嘛台湾品牌赛斯2.0的预算里面这里面呢分两笔一个是三千万一个是七亿七千万嘛七亿七千万好所以呢这个是在我们的预算书里面确实有对不对而且呢这个秘书长王景成秘书长他讲的也是说编列台湾品牌赛斯2.0预算所以我跟你们确认好我们再来看下一页啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13480.279 |
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那麼這筆預算我們的總預算確實目前我們還沒有在做但是我們在這個新增的預算部分新興計畫的預算部分718億718億已經通過在立法院已經完成通過的預算裡面就有運動部主管的 |
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台灣品牌這個賽事計畫一共8億元這裡面還括弧各縣市因為這符合你們在預算總預算裡面提到這一筆預算是來補助各縣市還有相關的運動團體你們在科目裡面的說明也說得很清楚好 |
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所以我要講的是當然今天部長提出了一些所謂的補救辦法說就用運發基金來協調用運發基金可是問題是這一筆預算在你們的總預算裡面有編列沒有錯但是呢在通過的718億裡面的新興計劃預算也已經涵蓋了這一筆預算 |
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13547.544 |
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所以如果我們行政院長卓榮泰院長如果不是他壓著各部會不能執行這718億元的預算的話運動部大可來動用這8億元的預算不是嗎所以我要講的是 |
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這個確實是預算卡關但是他卡關是卡在行政院而不是立法院這個一定要核心序名一定要講清楚因為718億我們已經通過718億裡面也確實涵蓋我剛才所詢問的台灣品牌賽事的精選計畫8億元所以啊 |
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我在這邊啊我知道部長有這個態度也有這個決心想要解決這個問題所以呢你動用到運發基金他可不可以做當然也可以做可是我在這邊要特別提到的不是你們不能動用這筆預算不能動用這筆預算是行政院長卓榮泰院長下令的 |
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13621.51 |
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不是立法院沒有通過所以我在這邊啊我想可能部長不好意思去喊話我們的卓榮泰院長就如同商章善政這個市長所講的整個台灣不能一直在等著虧所以我們在這邊是 |
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還是呼籲行政院只要去執行這718億元就沒有我們中華民國田徑協會秘書長他誤認為說這個是立法院總預算沒有通過 |
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13640.555 |
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13661.806 |
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他搞錯了 我不曉得是不是運動部有人給他一個錯誤的給他錯誤的一個訊息是不是認為說這個預算我沒有辦法動之可是沒有辦法動之他不是卡在立法院他是卡在行政院我覺得這一點一定要把他講清楚說明白那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
13662.426 |
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13682.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
如果今天行政院院長從善如流他如果能夠聽張善政的話的話那麼其實也不需要去動用預發基金也可以讓預發基金做更有效率的一個運用不需要再去運用這筆基金這筆預算有邊嘛有邊也有過 |
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有邊有過就可以動直所以我覺得這部分還是請部長回去可以跟行政院再做一些溝通跟爭取如果說今天一定說718億通通都不能動用其結果就會發生這一次大家搞錯方向了好不好 |
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13708.598 |
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13719.15 |
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跟委員您報告,當然我們還是希望說首先很感謝你對我們台灣運動的重視那我們還是希望說用運發基金來去讓比賽能夠順利辦成 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
13720.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
13739.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
我知道部長我剛講說我肯定部長有這個態度而有這個決心要去解決這個事情運發基金他是一筆基金在那邊但是事實上這個預算已經有編列立法院也已經通過了其實你們隨時都可以動之好不好 |
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13763.96 |
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不好意思 請委員尊重現場在質詢的委員的權益不好意思 請您不要發言尊重現場在質詢委員的權益不好意思 請您結束您的發言剛剛中嘉賓委員發言的時候我也全程沒有站起來尊重委員發言質詢的時間 |
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基本上我剛才的態度剛才我把這個訊息正確的訊息都已經傳達了那我覺得我也尊重委員的發言但是我覺得更應該尊重我們主席的一個才識謝謝主席 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王委員的質詢 謝謝我們下一位質詢的委員是鄭天才 鄭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
13808.88 |
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13836.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
主席 各位委員 有請部長還有主計處的處長有請部長 主計處的處長 謝謝如果有相關的事 到時候也上來委員您好部長辛苦了這個新聞 這個你都知道了所以這個預算 運動中心我建議部長 |
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13837.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13856.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
收還是要收啦再答覆跟委員您報告當下其實我跟縣長說明就是如果他發函來我們運動部都會入案我有跟縣長說明這個情況好接下來這個這個今天的大家都談這個台灣國際田徑賽因故停辦這個謝謝部長那個願意用運動發函基金但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
13869.304 |
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13895.138 |
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我还是建议部长等一下看我来说明预算法第54条预算法第54条这个组织处长最清楚这里面特别提到新兴资本支出及新增计划经立法院同意者不在此限所以立法院 |
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13924.169 |
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對於這個115年度的總預算裡面的新興計劃新增計劃總共718例都已經在立法院表決通過要讓行政院各部會能夠支應所以行政院主計處收到公文之後就簽呈給行政院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
13925.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
13952.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
所以也要拜托部长去拜托行政院院长卓荣泰院长这个部分一定要去赶快去批让他能够可以开始执行这是法律规定的预算法54条规定的很明确所以在整个新兴计划新增计划里面 |
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13981.374 |
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跟我們運動部有關的部分就兩項台灣品牌賽事精選計畫8億另外一個國家運動科學中心大樓興建計畫0.5億所以這個部分你不去拜託卓榮泰院長趕快去批的話除了台灣品牌賽事精選計畫受到影響 |
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13983.069 |
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14010.38 |
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你去運動發展基金用了你就少了你本來還可以做更多的事情一樣會少所以能夠回歸到這個新興計劃總預算裡面如果卓榮泰院長不批也會影響到什麼國家運動科學中心大陸的興建所以這個部分我們要共同的去努力請問一下這個 |
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14034.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
部長,台灣田徑協會有報計畫公文到運動部嗎?在公務這邊確實有他們有報公文?有報公文,所以你們答覆他了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
14036.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14061.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
我們曾經答覆過他曾經答覆說因為沒有預算不是不是不是我們希望他輔導他成為因為在現行的狀況下輔導他轉換成基金的使用所以公文已經這樣寫了我們把它入案已經在基金的部分是有入案現在協助他們所以有協調他們希望能夠用基金對我們還是希望說保障運動員的參賽權益所以我們還是希望說在現行 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
14062.859 |
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14085.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
建議部長雙廣旗下除了剛才講的基金一定要去拜託卓榮泰院長好不好這個是我們共同要去努力好這個是我們某委員的一個剛才的質詢的圖檔我請問一下下面是運動部運動部的總預算121億 |
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14093.587 |
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14104.194 |
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121亿除了新新计划新增计划院长还没有批之外请问一下这个主机处处长现在可以动之的是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
14105.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14127.886 |
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我們現在可以報告委員我們現在是按照除了新興計畫8.5億以外然後依照預算法的規定就是上年度114的上年度執行數執行數多少上年度執行數的部分我們目前可以支用的上限的話是包括整個包括全民署的部分是82億82億嗎對這個部長 |
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14165.409 |
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这个就是一议算法54条瓜福二的地方瓜福二上年度执行数何时动之这总议算还没有过但是上年度执行数何时动之就是像组织处长刚刚讲的82亿82亿所以这张图表是错误的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
這張圖表是錯誤的所以未來這個下一次如果還有人問就要講你可以動之的是82億所以這個部分所以你們現在都還有合嘛很多的補助館都這樣在合嘛再用你們的相關的這些業務都在推動嘛所以這個部分也做一個澄清最後原住民的部分還是要請部長繼續支持謝謝這個 |
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14217.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
我們上次也提114年度人民特考有列了115年度也列了很重要的就是約聘僱的人員的部分也要去處理因為這是立法院所做的附帶決議好不好可以嗎這一點上面當然這個援助民主的部分我們絕對會重視好 謝謝謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14223.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14233.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
謝謝委員的詢問下一位張雅琳委員謝主席有請部長有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
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委員您好謝謝部長辛苦了因為我想部長是為了捍衛這個部門不要違法所以才會說現在沒有這個預算對不對但是我覺得現在剛剛所有很多的立法委員在國民黨的委員在講的時候都一直在講說是卓榮泰院長卡關真的完全是忘記自己是立法委員忘了做自己該做的工作所以我真的也非常感謝部長在這件事情上面有守護我們公務員讓他們不要違法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14293.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
那再來就是說我想要跟部長快快的先討論一個題目就是說就是說我其實在上上禮拜吧看到我們全民署有一個社區俱樂部實施計畫那其實這個計畫我覺得非常的好因為它是可以協助我們的學校跟我們的俱樂部裡面可以有更多的場地來辦更多的社區的聯賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14323.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
所以我認為這個利益良善但是有一個比較大的問題就是說我們到6月的時候才會完成補助審查可是今年10月底又要完成這個計畫等於是說聯賽可能只能集中在暑假辦理那這樣子就有一點可惜就變成是說我們沒有辦法做基層運動希望有更長的時間所以是不是有可能讓這個時間延長到11月底這個實施的期限延長到11月底 |
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| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14339.338 |
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這個是不是可行的跟委員您報告那這部分我們也謝謝委員您對於我們社區區二部的計畫這麼重視那我們應該會延長兩週到11月底啦好不好這個可行嗎因為大家 |
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14363.522 |
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全民署長說可以好謝謝就是大家辛苦一點啦但是我們讓基層有更多的時間可以執行啦謝謝謝謝部長跟署長那再來還有就是有一個就是小學生的足球賽那其實有非常多的家長在起這兩年一直非常關心希望可以復賽那今年也非常感謝我們也從開始舉辦可是呢大家其實原本期待的是學校 |
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| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14387.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
我們所有的比賽都辦在週末讓家長也可以去看現場比賽因為培養觀眾也是全民運動一個很重要的目標嘛對不對所以我們在這次的全國決賽卻有四天其實是放在平日那其實就有很多的家長來跟我們溝通這件事情那我不曉得說為什麼我們這個沒有辦法辦在週末呢是不是可以簡單回答一下跟委員報告是否請全民運動 |
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| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14409.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
謝謝委員關心 因為這個全國的決賽大概有兩百四十幾對的需要安排賽程然後目前我們大概決賽的一個時間點總共如果按照這樣排的話會排到九天所以我們也是盡量避開就是平常上課的一個時間對但是我們講的是接下來有四天是還是在平日啊 |
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14431.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
所以有全國的決賽時間我們後來是把它盡量協調在27號、28號禮拜六、禮拜天然後因為29號大概就開始各個學校它已經開始在休業室了所以比較不會影響到我們小朋友但是我剛講的其實是家長要參與啦因為這樣等於家長沒有辦法參與啦那今年我就簡單問一下今年是沒有辦法調整的嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
也跟委員很坦白的講因為目前我們匡列那個整個決賽的場地的部分所以是聽起來就是沒辦法調整那我問一下這個賽事是不是明年會繼續舉辦呢會嗎我們會跟教育部這邊再來協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
14451.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14466.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
今年由我們這邊辦沒問題因為今年四個小學生的比賽通通都在我們全民署這邊來辦明年我們現在可能透過兩個部的平台我們這邊再來針對這個業務我希望是明年持續來舉辦因為這是基層運動一個很重要的項目還有剛剛那個社區運動發展計畫目前只有到11月底剛剛也謝謝部長承諾那明年可不可以繼續呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
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社区运动俱乐部这一块目前来讲会这个我们还没办法动之对我是说明年但是我们规划上面可以先规划吧对不对我们先规划嘛好不好我们会提早规划谢谢那接下来再请教一下部长就是我想这几天应该都有看到有关于那个台中棒球教练的这件事情就是有总共有非常多的孩子在很小的时候都受到侵害那我觉得这对孩子来说跟家长来说都是一个很大的伤害 |
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那其實我從第一個會期就一直在講兒少工作證我們希望可以公告不適任的教練那我在國體法也提出了這樣子的修法但是呢過去都一直說沒有辦法沒有辦法全民公告因為這個可能有法治上面的問題也會影響到他的職業這些教練在執教等等有很多很多的理由但是我希望部長是不是可以重新再來審視之前的決議呢因為我想看到這樣子的一個新聞應該也非常痛心吧 |
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所以我們是不是可以再重新來審視重新來國體法裡面來討論是不是可以怎樣把公告不適任教練還有兒童工作證更積極的落實這件事情是部長可以來演繹的嗎公國委員您報告感謝您對於我們這個學生的重視那我們絕對會來演繹 |
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好那我大概是不是可以在一個月之後來追你們相關研議的進度呢好不好一個月好不好因為真的時間都很緊迫那還有一樣延伸這個問題就是我看到女足公會他們發了個聲明就是說他們的一些訓練上面其實是沒有一個非常好的一個科學訓練造成他們在賽前都有很嚴重的撕裂傷那這個部分是不是可以請運科中心就是說因為其實 |
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運動的科學訓練我相信部長一定知道要從小開始從小就開始了所以針對女足的運科訓練是不是可以提供一個不管是運科從國訓中心來講是不是可以提供一個更積極的回應我們如何協助這些女足因為她們接下來還有賽事這是第一個但第二個是不是可以提供給我們一個現在小學生或是我們的青少 兒少運動員來說 |
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最多的運動從事人口是哪些那哪一些運動傷害是最多的我們可不可以針對這些做一個盤點提出相關的運科訓練因為這東西是提供給教練也提供給家長因為讓家長知道說哪樣的教練的訓練是不當訓練因為這過去我也處理了相當多的不當訓練不管是籃球棒球也好很多家長是說因為教練跟他說 |
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這些就是訓練啊那導致家長根本無法拯救小孩在第一線是不是可以這部分也一起來努力這部分謝謝委員對於這一個學生的重視那我們絕對會來演繹那我們會請運革中心跟國訓中心這邊來積極的來好我們會後約時間好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝委員的詢答謝謝部長 |
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所以我們給每一位委員都是一樣的我們有站起來讓他們盡情的發言我們下一位委員萬委員謝謝喔 等一下嗎嚇到我了 突然提出來什麼問題沒有 他剛剛說他想上廁所對 那我們現在宣告萬委員後面喔 |
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如果急我可以等一下我們是很體貼很人性的我可以等一下所以我說你突然講我嚇到要上廁所沒事沒事但給我一個眼神或是給旁邊都可以不好意思抱歉我剛剛沒看你那我們宣告萬委員質詢完後我們休息八分鐘好謝謝主席我們有請李部長好有請部長 |
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14742.074 |
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委員您好謝謝部長請問您上任多少天了今天應該是第七個月好大概212天上下你現在對業務的熟悉度已經上手了嗎跟委員您報告那這段時間我會我一直都有積極去了解各項業務那上手的定義我比較難以確保但是我已經盡量去了解好其實我們覺得你很努力所以要對自己有點信心大聲的回答我上手了好嗎 |
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謝謝委員您對我的肯定謝謝好 但昨天晚上其實就陸續有聽到傳言說那個鄭世忠次長請辭那當時以為是傳言或留言但聽說今天早上您也是看新聞才知道的是這樣嗎 |
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14762.028 |
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14779.515 |
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那因為我們過去其實在體育署的時候曾經體育署的這個署長懸缺將近一年半左右的時間那鄭世忠這個次長當時的署長也算是救火隊接下了這個署長一職那也都表現得還不錯那知道到運動部以後 |
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您这里也让他担任了这个第一次长这个概念那也是一个运动部的发言人可以说是你非常重要的左右手那现在突然请辞为什么你事前不知道啊刚闻您报告那这部分我今天后续会去跟政事长了解对就是很奇怪啊就是这么重要的partner为什么他没有先跟你说一声呢什么原因 |
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14805.729 |
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14832.537 |
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我晚一點會跟委員您回覆那什麼原因我會詢問政事長這是一個秘密晚一點跟我回覆沒有沒有我說這是政事長我還沒跟政事長聯繫到對對對那我的意思是說你還不知道為什麼突然請辭的原因不曉得目前來講的話因為就如同我剛剛所講我今天早上投資的好那部長您會挽留他嗎跟委員您報告那我會先看一下政事長他本人的意願然後看怎麼樣我們再跟委員您回覆 |
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14856.485 |
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好我想其實人才很重要任何一個部會都是這樣任何一個單位所以好的人才如果還有挽留的機會那部長應該要可以進行挽留一下還是說我們已經有新的這個次長的人選跟委員您報告這部分就如同我剛剛所說的我會跟鄭次長了解後與委員您回覆那他是今天請假嗎今天我目前得到訊息那明天會上班嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
14859.098 |
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14863.324 |
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這個部分我可能就要回去看一下我的那個系統那他是到底請多久的假 |
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14887.395 |
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委員我要就是真的要看系統都不知道目前部長其實可能要掌握一下啦因為他畢竟喔這個第一次掌然後又是這個發言人嘛所以呢突然間的請假今天其實趙偉所排的業務跟他也是有關係的那突然沒有來那那現在你說要跟他溝通你也不知道他請假到什麼時候跟委員您報告目前請假兩天請兩天請兩天 |
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前两天假好那就希望他回来的时候你能够跟他好好沟通好谢谢委员好接下来呢我想一样赖总统在去年出席体育盛事宏道奖的颁奖典礼你有在现场吗有的好当天他有赞扬部长就说年轻有为放弃了千万的代言费不过呢很可惜现在总预算卡在立法院所以运动部的预算是零没有办法对这个运动部的发展有一个很好的规划那部长我请教一下这个总统说的是对的吗还是他有误会 |
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14939.93 |
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跟委員您報告,那真的運動部的部分的話,我們是不能超支去年的體育...沒有,我就問這句話,賴總統說運動部的預算是零,因為本席是把這個原字直接拿上來,所以這句話是對的嗎?您的運動部現在預算是零嗎?我們就是不能超支去年體育署的預算。但有沒有預算? |
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14940.908 |
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有预算可以有预算就不是零了嘛所以部长其实可能要跟总统的有意或无意要跟他澄清一下不然其实会引起运动界很大的哗然那你看其实这个说法跟事实有很大的出入包括您刚刚所回答的就现在是有预算嘛 |
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14979.208 |
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但是呢 你不能超支嘛比如說你現在公務預算大概是82億左右在手上可以用嘛那你的這個運發基金大概也有八十幾億可以用嘛也就是說加起來你可能還有165億在手上是可以用的所以我想這個部分可能要跟這個相關的人有提到一些誤會的地方或者是你必須要去再做一個說明好不好 |
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那再來我們還是關心昨天田協宣布這個2026台灣田徑公開賽這個因為預算沒有通過所以他要取消我想今天在預算上面大家有提了很多第一個您剛剛自己也有提那個這個田協來申請的時候您是怎麼跟他回覆的 |
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去年的情況我們跟各個協會的輔導都是希望他申請今年的公務預算那在現行的狀況下那當然我們希望比賽能夠繼續續辦所以我們積極輔導他們轉變成跟我們申請基金沒有問題啊如果他是他申請任何的預算部長第一個公務預算你現在還是有預算在手上可以用第二個我們運發基金也有預算在手上可以用第三個 |
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第三个我们现在通过的新兴预算当中今天大家也跟你讲得很清楚新兴计划里面你的那个8亿也都可以用也就是说你不管要用运发基金不管用公务预算或者有新兴通过的计划都有嘛所以呢您刚才在回复也说一直有跟铁鞋沟通一直有沟通那是怎么会沟通到他说要取消呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15048.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15065.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
這部分我們等下也會再積極輔導他希望能將...您今天從早上到現在都是說你要積極輔導他但我今天要問的問題是說你在溝通的當中怎麼會溝通到天蠍認為是沒有錢所以他停辦原因要告訴我一下是否請國際司跟委員報告是否可以 |
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15067.728 |
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15096.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
報告委員 到昨天下午為止之前我們一直在跟填寫 我們的承辦同仁都在輔導他怎麼樣能夠到齊市長 謝謝喔你們真的不要再跳針了就一直講說輔導他 輔導他 輔導他那我現在請教一下那個部長那現在填寫有再來申請了嗎基金的部分他一直在申請中他送上來申請了嗎送上來了送來了嗎 但部長您不知道啊 |
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15098.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15119.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
您不知道啊?您不知道他已經重新送來了,對嗎?我今天早上已經有回覆,就是已經有送案到基金這一塊然後總預算是兩千多萬,兩千零四十幾萬我想這樣子啦,就是早上本席問了這個司長才知道說其實啊,天蠍今天早上已經有在重新送案來了這一件事情呢,司長所以他送了沒有? |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
15121.027 |
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15135.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
送了嘛對嘛所以為什麼要做梅童呢就他送來了我們現在要解決問題嘛就是說第一個呢一直在講你讓田協誤以為我們是因為沒有預算所以這樣子去取消了那但是事實上是今天他已經重新送來了 |
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15135.905 |
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15164.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
那预算呢我们用基金也好用现在现有的这个公务预算里面那就看部长您的智慧怎么去把这个预算来给他们才能有钱才能做辅导嘛所以呢这整个呢我不敢他说他是乌龙世界至少他是一个很大的一个误会你们也有心要做那他来申请也不是没有钱三项三项预算你都可以来用第一个公务预算还是有80几亿可以在手上用第二个呢我们新兴计划也有通过了我们这个台湾赛事的相关预算8亿也可以用第三个 |
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15180.795 |
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這個預發金也可以用所以我想部長可能要再去熟悉一下啦那在這個部分不要造成這麼大的誤會喔那我非常的相信因為部長您來自運動界而且一直都是我們國家之光你一定為了不管是要栽培我們的選手 |
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或者是給選手好的環境好的支援你會努力來做但是在這件這個事情的誤會上面我真的真心希望第一個政治要跟運動跟文化跟教育去脫鉤第二個呢我們應該好好專心就是在我們的運動賽事上面那這樣子的誤會我希望下次不要再有了好嗎謝謝委員好謝謝好謝謝委員的詢答我們休息八分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15211.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15213.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
好好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
15237.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15244.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
你下個會期就你招委了你不會知道到時候我也是要幫你帶啦大概...某種...某種...因為前面那個...用文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
15262.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15269.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
那天第一次遇到他的故事,不然不知想去那天第一次遇到他的故事,不然不知想去 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
15294.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15294.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
15313.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15314.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
我跟妳說我先講 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15337.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15350.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
你就收那個人之常情為什麼不能收啊就像人家跟你握手你不跟人家握手一樣那裡面又沒有塞簽什麼都是民眾的計畫 |
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15354.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
15373.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
為什麼不能拿 每個人都可以拿藍綠都拿 藍綠白都拿總統也會瘦成金星啊拿不是說代表同意拿只是收案而已 |
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15375.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
15398.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
你不拿好像不近乎人情我沒有不近乎人情我昨天在這邊看到連國客會主委都在酸東西你說你每一個都被交代了你就收然後你就跟他講說我們依規定辦理這樣就好了因為你收了也不可能經典輔助啊不收縣長的我覺得不合乎人情連民眾 |
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15401.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15409.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
站在旁邊你都要哭因為第一次啊好那你現在說欠急的嘛對對對對對哇 那欠急你的待遇比彰化縣長好欠急對 絕對是對的對啊 |
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15430.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15437.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
因為我都沒有成功,所以觀眾不要受傷我都沒有成功,所以觀眾不要受傷我都沒有成功,所以觀眾不要受傷 |
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15450.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
15458.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
實力的 因為跟南日聯盟所以 呃 韓國瑜在南日聯盟我知道你是個不錯的選手但是 你的身分很不一樣人家不是 因為對對對 知道選手 |
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他可能自己不在水上 我覺得他是不錯的但是有這些東西 選秀還是有比較相當的規矩他只是不錯的選手 為我了解他去 寫作一下他是一個選手 他不是被我理解他是一個選手 他不是被我理解他是一個選手 他不是被我理解他是一個選手 他不是被我理解他是一個選手 他不是被我理解他是一個選手 他不是被我理解 |
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我可以了解,但是政治的那個部分,你就先...政治上,我也不知道要說什麼 |
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他自己亂講 而且我覺得這不太合理我覺得他是很拒絕 但他還會收起腰桿不過你說這件事情是在後面有層層講對 先層層 然後問一問然後請大家私底下跟幫你講那不是我們剛剛對他講的那不是我們剛剛對他講的那不是我們剛剛對他講的那不是我們剛剛對他講的那不是我們剛剛對他講的那不是我們剛剛對他講的那不是我們剛剛對他講的 |
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大家還會講,不過今天很多人都在教你,都在教你那個,魏誠說辛苦了加油,當然他講的也是啊收起來這個,你不用太緊張我說不是說都能不能收啦因為這是私下場合,是拿一下的 |
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因為兩天在教我覺得麻煩我已經知道了今天很多人有就是該 |
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正常管道該教你的,我想大家都有該講的大家也是會講一下不是說要放在心上,還是一做一件我也謝謝你對,那個我也得一定一做但是我自己會先處理跟遷就功課謝謝 |
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15637.776 |
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捏不圓捏不圓看起來 |
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謝謝大家 |
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15726.542 |
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現在繼續開會 請羅廷威委員進行詢問好 謝謝主席 有請部長請部長 謝謝好 部長 今天聽了這麼多質詢 也要跟你問一下擔任部長應該已經七個月了 |
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對有沒有什麼心得感想跟委員您報告那這段時間其實也接受到非常多來自運動員以及各方對於運動部的期待那我們希望說我們在這一塊可以更加符合民意期待的運動部那我們也真的正在往這個方向努力 |
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好 我們正在往這個方向努力但我們希望速度可以加緊七個月業務應該上手等一下詢問的問題我也希望盡可能都是由部長自己來回答也讓社會大眾知道部長對業務的掌握程度 |
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當初賴總統來請你擔任部長是看重你一定了解運動員的辛苦找你來幫運動員一個忙找你來協助運動員的生涯規劃怎麼走怎麼規劃怎麼守護權益希望可以許他們一個美好的未來 |
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但是部長接任部長以後呢你應該會比較忙喔忙到自己該做的事情可能沒有做到這個我們要來探討一下2025年10月23日新聞提及鄭麗君強調政府推動運動協會的改革最終的目標是確保協會的治理能夠更加的良善 |
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让运动员能够更完善的支持权益的保障此外运动团体的构成多元不仅包含各单项的委员会还有我们看到协会以及工会的组织请运动部持续重视工会团体代表的建议未来规划相关的咨询会议跟小组广邀工会代表参与共同促进运动政策的全面发展 |
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部長鄭麗君副院長在談話的時候你也坐在旁邊喔請問五個月過去了針對運動部持續重視工會團體的代表建議未來規劃相關的諮詢會議相關的小組廣邀工會代表參與的這個部分這個事情外界關心運動部是否有這樣的方向推動具體的作為請問 |
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做了些什麼跟委員您報告首先我自己個人本人開了跟運動員運動選手開了三次的諮詢委員會那也了解到了非常多不同運動種類的這個訴求運動員 |
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这是第一点这是运动员那第二个那在特定体育团体的部分我们有运动委员会以及在最近的特定体育团体改选的情况下我们将这个选训委员会这个单项委员会的选训委员会分别为这个将人数变成 |
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運動專業人士法律專業人士以及國家級裁判以及A級裁判各一名那在近八年擔任國家隊選手以及曾經擔任過國家隊教練的部分那至少要置兩名然後其中一名為主委那希望將選訓委員會也就是我們在選拔給運動員的最高的這個部分我們可以將他還給專業 |
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納入專業的意見但是我想問一下請問有跟棒球、職籃、足球三個工會的理事長見過面了嗎棒球、職籃、足球三個工會的理事長三個工會的理事長目前確實還沒有見到面我想如果沒有見面我想已經五、六個月後了那部長您在忙什麼呢 |
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跟委員您報告那在這部分我們希望建立更加制度化的在補助給這個特定體育團體所以在這段期間其實我開的這個審查會議不下20幾場那其實每一次我們從過去的這個審查裡面我們也更加建立制度的比如說過去可能經費非常龐大他並沒有一個經費多少錢然後會治委員多少人那過去其實就 |
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比如說五億的預算那可能只有僅僅三名外部委員那現在我們將依據這個金額的數字至會計以及這個法律專業人士來一同審查那目前來講在這二十幾場裡面我們總共替納稅人省下近三億元的撫編你有做事我們一定是認可也一定承認所以剛剛是問你你有做的部分我們都 |
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非常的嘉許但目前我也有指出嘛你有部分的團體沒有去見到面嘛那這是鄭麗君希望你做的嘛對不對你應該要加強時間趕緊排我知道你很忙但是還是要擠出時間跟他們見面謝謝委員不只他們在跟我反映很多團體都在反映啊再來部長你知道台灣拿奧運的金牌大概有幾位嗎 |
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總共不到十位吧不到十位奧運金牌嘛奧運金牌我十位對對十位那十位裡面能夠擔任部長的有幾位目前擔任部長目前應該一位只有你一位所以剛剛前面都在講金牌部長你是不是金牌部長 |
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你一定是金牌選手但現在我們希望你能夠朝向金牌部長來邁進我坦白講啊你給國人給所有立法委員我們給予你的期待很高所以你的壓力一定很重但我們希望是真正做出改革而不是只有做出一些亮點而已 |
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點線面把它做起來加油謝謝委員你知道預算法54條在寫什麼嗎想跟你請問一下 |
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跟委員您報告詳細的部分我確實沒有但我確定知道我們運動部不能超支去年體育署的編列所以你就固定的話語嘛那沒關係簡單來講預算法我們可以看到畫面當中他保障了我們在去年相關的一個預算數可以沿用那今年是不能夠超支的對吧就符合你剛剛講的對嗎 |
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我們沒有辦法超支去年體育署上半年度的預算對啊那我想問一下喔所以副部長我想請問一下我剛剛一直在跟你講另外一個問題上次你來跟我拜會的時候我是不是也有跟你談論過我們在台中運動中心的一個興建是的有印象嗎當然當時您給我的回覆是什麼還記得嗎我們會來演你跟行政院爭取 |
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你跟行政院諮詢嘛希望給他建議嘛那希望說行政院能夠同意嘛公建計劃能夠因為你說相關的預算不是已經用完了對不對今年要再提的話希望行政院硬體的部分公建計劃嘛是的對吧我沒有忘記吧目前確實是這樣方署長 |
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當時我們在聊的時候你也在旁邊我們說這一個運動中心它因為是公建計劃相關的預算目前是沒有的那要跟行政院提希望行政院能夠通過公建計劃我們才能夠來報給立法院對吧 沒有錯吧我們現在在優化計劃確實正在修正 |
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對嘛 還沒有送給行政院吧送了嗎 送了送了 行政院同意了嗎優化計畫的部分還所以我要講的就很簡單嘛我們看到了這一張預算表115年度運動部的預算書139頁他說優化全民運動與賽會的環境總計畫 |
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以及所提到的相關的本科目所編列的一些預算我們都可以看到第一你有編列那行政院還沒有通過所以我不知道說您在面對彰化縣王惠美縣長的時候他要跟你請託相關的一些場館興建有什麼好不能收的為什麼要扯預算沒過 |
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那你要扯預算沒過我拜託你你要講是行政院目前還沒給你通過不是這樣簡單一句把它變成新聞然後全民覺得哎呀是立法院沒有通過這個預算這個我要講啊預算沒過今天在這邊包括你上次跟我私底下聊我們是公建計劃還沒有報啊已經報了報給行政院行政院沒通過 |
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怎麼現在好像扯到是立法院是藍白山預算藍白砍預算藍白黨預算啊這個後面你沒有講啊你沒有講我知道但我要期許的是我剛剛講的你是金牌部長的一個期許政治少一點那回話精準一點拜託你或許你無心之過 |
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我也不能夠直接就壓著你說這一定是你講錯話你一定要誣蔑藍白沒關係我們今天平心而論但拜託你精準的講話你有報給行政院了行政院還沒有通過怎麼會變成外界一直在揣摩是藍白所以這個部分我希望透過今天要來講那部長就你對預算的了解這是延續型的計劃嗎 |
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是是嘛對不對所以延續行政計畫它也是可以繼續執行的所以從113年開始執行依你對預算編列的一個理解那請問它是哪一年核定113年它是行政院112年 |
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12月3日12年核定然後113年執行謝謝委員好沒關係沒關係這個計畫早在112年行政院就已經核定它是延續型的計畫所以既然是延續型的計畫為什麼王惠美縣長拜託你的時候你一開始要拒絕準不準是一回事啊我認為在未來你一定會擔任部長會持續遇到相信我有一天你走在路上 |
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甚至你在看那個棒球的時候你在做法的時候都有可能有人拿著牛皮紙袋過來找你啊只要裡面是有關於公益的我認為接受陳情沒有不妥但是你一定要跟他回應 |
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16420.04 |
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我收案了但是我們依照規定來處理了解我認為這個是應該人之常情的您覺得呢?跟委員您報告其實當下我有跟縣長有有有你說就是請他提正式發函我們運動不覺得會入案因為畢竟但是你也看到了畫面不這樣呈現啊所有的新聞就是你直接拒絕啊然後說預算沒過啊 |
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16436.534 |
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我認為在當下您是好意但被操作的這些新聞變成壞意那您就收下嘛就直接跟他講嘛就說我們依規定辦理是延續型的就延續型做是新興的就新興計畫還沒通過 |
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16460.343 |
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你就這樣照實講嘛但我要補充的是新興計畫我們也通過了那再來部長你自己在今年1月1日運動部的臉書錄了一段影片你說啊延續性的計畫30.2億其中延續性的計畫大多為優化整建全民運動設施的部分對吧 |
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這不是我錄的那個影片,這是我在那個行政院後的記者會的發言謝謝委員,不好意思運動部幫你錄的啦,不是你自錄啦,但是是你發言對吧,不是AI吧不是不是不是,我是自己發言部長您其實都知道,知道延續型的計畫不影響但是,我們不希望刻意誤導社會大眾 |
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16510.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
部長你來找我聊天的時候我就已經再次強調了你是向行政院爭取公建計畫那目前的進度你有掌握行政院什麼時候會去審什麼時候會通過嗎公建計畫的部分嗎對對對你剛說優化優化這部分我們之前已經送給行政院行政院的國發會又回給我們運動部來做修正然後 |
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16532.2 |
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三月底又再送一次三月底發文回來請我們修正那我們最近正在做修正所以你還在修正嘛所以今天很確定嘛你還在修正嘛行政院請你提出修正嘛就行政院都還沒同意嘛今天我要講這一段直播 |
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全體國人會看所以我希望大家要稍微了解一下延續的都不影響新計劃也我們已經核准了為什麼因為立法院3月6日就同意行政院先行動之38項具急迫性的新興計劃嘛總金額718億嘛我們全民都在等卓榮泰嘛那再來卓榮泰說不要違法我們立的法他就已經很多都不附屬了還不要違法再來主計長都在講了可以先動用 |
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對不對立法院都已經把新興計畫都已經先行動之了運動部自己又不用這是主管機關的失職吧所以我要講的是說門打開了燈也開了路也鋪好運動部自己站在門口不進去還回頭說門沒開這種說法社會大陸能夠接受嗎我要講的是主計長都說以行文可先行動之了怎麼還有 |
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執政黨的委員在今天的委員會大言不慚地一直講藍白黨預算所以我今天另外要再講的是針對學校運動設施設備的補助案運動部與教育部召開至少七次會議在七次的會議當中就如同今天運動部所告知的規劃就是運動部只負責棒球場跟足球場其餘運動設施都是教育部負責你覺得這樣的分工合理嗎 |
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跟委員您報告這是在我上任之前就已經完成的分工那除了硬體設備以外我們在學校體育的部分我們也有包含這個專任運動教練我們也有棒壘球的教練的計畫還有全中運全大運等等的計畫也都是由我們運動部來負責我想部長全國高中學校以下同時擁有棒球場跟足球場的學校有多少你有掌握嗎棒球跟足球 |
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跟委員您報告那今年的話我們目前棒球場的部分收案至少一百一百多件那收案啊我說同時擁有棒球場跟足球場的學校這個確實我們沒有掌握我想你應該先去釐清一下因為在這樣子的狀況之下我要認為啊公立的私立的 |
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我們到底有現在多少的需求就像你剛說的有提出需求100多那目前他們現況如何主動去查詢一下 |
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那我們也希望說今天我會提這樣子的一個議題議程就是希望在分工上能夠更明確那你跟我講說很明確了教育部跟我講說沒有啊我覺得這不是我啊應該要找運動部啊到底是你們兩邊誰說謊講清楚說明白今天不是只有我在幫台中市所有的委員都會遇到 |
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我們新北業人之委員也很關心所以我相信他一定會再給我多一點時間繼續講那他也會遇到在爭取校園設施的時候你們分工不清啊他也一定會拜託召委幫他排審考察除非他不想要我幫他排考察那他就會催促我下來 |
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那您看嘛他就有需求所以我今天一定要釐清嘛為什麼我們現在運動部在主推學校棒球跟足球其他項目不用羽球不用網球不用射箭不用這些都是很重要的奧運項目呢 |
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那怎麼運動部都沒有在處理所以我想問一下每一年運動部能夠規劃真正能夠增加多少學校符合標準的棒球場跟足球場您覺得可以增加多少 |
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跟委員您報告你剛說收件一百多件嗎?棒族案件收件一百多件對對對所以我現在問你啊棒族啊你可以完成多少件啊?那跟委員您報告那目前我們編列的預算是三億那我不太敢保證說這個可以完成多少件但我們都會積極來在棒族這一塊所以你也看到三億大概不夠這一百件申請了對不對?確實確實對嘛 |
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那我們是不是應該提出更多的需求給行政院如果這一百件有人多提的我們抓大概三成四成通過好不好那大概三十件四十件能不能三億給他們就都蓋得到我認為很難 |
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跟委員您報告在明年的預算編列我們確實在這一塊我們有增加編列的需求所以我們也有在明年的預算編列有多增加編列好那我還有一題啦但是因為剛剛召委站起來了那就這樣子我們今天就質詢到這邊但我要跟你講就是說不管我今天我最後也想問你這個我想補充問你一個問題不好意思3月1號運動幣會上場對嗎 |
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剛剛你提的3月1號運動幣會上場有嗎?有這件事嗎?我看到剛剛表格有委員提到你運動幣大概什麼時候會執行?之前已經抽完然後已經開始了已經發完了發完了啦對不對發完開始領完然後正在都有一些這個抵押發了嘛對不對?發了怎麼樣?有領嗎?大家都全部都有領嗎?有沒有八成九成領?三成了已經領了領了三成?對啊發了多少錢?大概就好 |
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三億的三成九千萬吧如果按照數字的這三億的三成應該是九千萬好 去年有運動幣嗎?去年是青春動資券那我們希望說在就是轉計劃嘛去年是應該講說它是延續優化可以這樣說嗎? |
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那對嘛不是說沒錢賴清德都說謊都說預算是零明明就在發明明已經拿了三成延續優化公務員您報告這個可能還是要確認這是基金的錢我跟你講我只是一個例子而已任何一件事情不管是基金不管是預算我們剛剛還是回到預算法 |
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我只是隨便舉一個例子而已啊那這個部分包括你今天填寫你也說你要輔導他們用基金的部分嘛所以有辦法就找辦法而不是直接就說我們預算的問題那精準來面對更多的一些新聞議題我想這個部分還是要拜託您我們政治少一點運動多一點大家一起加油我相信你目前都做得到我們持續下去好嗎謝謝委員謝謝 |
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謝謝羅廷偉 趙偉 謝謝部長好 我們有請邱志偉委員質詢也跟委員報告 今天的尋答時間是五分鐘 |
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不用強調我自己會看因為昨天你問我我今天沒問你不用私問職長謝謝運動部李部長仲規師賴師長產業科技師王師長謝謝有請部長 |
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各位部長您好兩個議題想跟部長請教跟討論就是運動既然是一個生活也是一種休閒同時它也是一種產業所以運動作為一個產業我覺得有很多國家例子可以去參考包括日本日本的職棒用政府的相關的政策法律租稅去支持讓球團有更多的資源讓更多的球迷願意入場 |
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一方面享受這個比賽的樂趣一方面可以全家或親子做一些家庭活動所以運動產業最近已經展露雛形在職棒的部分包括我們球場的優化包括球場經營方式的活潑包括應援制度的引進等等所以大概十年前大概每個球場都是賠錢的 |
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但是我看這一兩年出了很大的變化 特別是我們12強得到冠軍之後這個去直棒 看直棒是全民運動 不分男女老少 各年齡層都參與所以這種情況之下 我們可以把這個成功模式去應用到其他的職業球賽 包括直籃 甚至是直足 |
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日本的職業足球的運動作為一個產業發展大概也是20年前的事情但是他現在入場的人數是直棒的超越直棒的入場人數每一場要4萬而且他球隊之多啊20支球隊那這種情況之下我可能下禮拜也會邀請您到經濟委員會就是運動作為一個產業放心點我時間會很精準控制這個 |
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會邀請運動部也邀請國發會也邀請經濟部也邀請財政部怎麼樣用政府的力量扶持運動產業的發展所以我想請教部長有沒有怎麼樣在你的想法裡面有沒有一個藍圖有沒有一個架構怎麼樣去推動運動產業化或者怎麼樣去讓運動產業能夠更好的發展 |
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跟委員您報告,首先很感謝您對我們運動產業的重視那就誠如剛剛委員您說的這個目前在職棒這一塊其實我們近兩年其實真的是非常多的球迷來到現場來觀看比賽是最近做得更好的事情那我們也希望說在球迷的文化以及產業部分可以做得更好那以觀賽者的角度來讓他們更能夠親自到現場來觀賽 |
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那不管是這個運動科技的導入還有這個智慧場域的導入我們都希望說不管是運科的運科化還有產業化還有服務化這部分我們都希望能夠來所以要跨部位來推動比方說怎麼樣去協助球團讓他們願意投入更多資源的改善球場或者經營模式的這個活潑化多樣化讓球迷進去球場觀賽是一種享受是一種生活中的一個重要的部分所以這部分啊我覺得 |
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讓球團有更多的資源讓他們願意投入更多的這個投資讓球迷有一個好的一個一個關塞的環境我想這個應該化務會我特別會責成國化會來有一個一個全盤的一個政策的規劃然後各部會包括租稅的優惠等等包括這個這個產發組要怎麼樣去協助這個產業發展 |
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我想這部分下禮拜我可能會排 但是不太確定如果有機會排的話再邀請您來討論第二個議題就是說室內大型這個比賽場地具體而言就是巨蛋其實不見得是巨蛋日本人口是台灣的六倍 一億兩千萬人口日本 但是它有幾座的巨蛋球 你知道嗎 |
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不用回頭 我告訴你 北海道 東京 大阪 名古屋 還有福岡這五個球場我都已經炒達過 各有特色因為有時候他們這個比賽到九月十月或者是三月的時候 他們天氣也很冷所以各地方有各地方的需求韓國有幾座巨蛋你知道嗎 |
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還有十個球站只有一個天池那個高池天空我也去炒烤肉所以日本所有的球場我都去看過好像還有廣島的廣島球場沒去因為韓國職棒十個球隊我也去看了六個球場高雄做一個南台灣運動發展特別是棒球發展的重鎮我覺得結合AI或者科技的半導體 |
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應該要蓋一個smart dome自彈不是巨彈smart dome舉個例子韓國唯一的大型室內比賽場地是培正英雄隊主場它的最高是兩萬五千觀眾容量不見得一定要大但是因為南台灣熱 |
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天氣熱所以這個私內球場我希望從運動部的角度能夠去宏觀調控不要說每個縣市都有一個巨蛋每個縣市不見得有這個需求 |
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如果居然蓋出來花那麼多錢 結果變成一個蚊子巨蛋 那也不是我們樂見你要從需求強度跟它的虛位 比方說我們北高雄在岡山橋頭有機會我邀請你看它是一個三級棒球的運動重鎮 從青少棒到台鋼雄鷹的訓練基地也在那個地方 |
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那地方又有捷運又有高速公路所以易達性非常高所以大家都台塘的土地如果可以輔導或者運動部能夠協助因為台塘的土地基本上土地的成本就比較低所以這種情況之下交通方便然後又有直棒又有三級棒球作為支撐我認為結合橋頭科學園區的半導體AI |
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我們可以朝向做一個蓋一個台灣或者全球第一顆的子彈smart dome這個我想請教一下部長還是這個是仲規司司長司長你要不要講一下跟委員您報告那這個部分的話應該我們會後續來這個思考是否有可行的可能性 |
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不是一定要孵蛋 蛋孵出來要有它的特色要結合地方的民情 地方的條件所以不要每次都喊巨蛋 |
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所以我们桥头科学园区是一个AI中正所以我改天再邀请你去看一下那个区位多棒如果能够有更多的产业的扶持让球场愿意在那边盖一个不要那么多人大概2万、5、3万左右的自弹Smart Dome那个地方又是在桥头在台南市跟高雄市的交界 |
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兩個直轄市的球迷都可以來看所以我最主要的用意是說運動部要做一個宏觀調控把每一個縣市的狀況做一個盤點不是每一個縣市都適合去蓋一個巨蛋好 以上謝謝謝謝委員好 我們謝謝委員的詢答下一位業人之委員請坐 |
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主席好,麻煩請李楊部長有請部長,謝謝委員您好李楊部長我想請教一下今天你來立法院備詢結果你的次長鄭思忠忽然間不是透過你這邊的管道自行對外宣布辭職我想先問一下你昨天有遇到他嗎昨天有遇到鄭思忠有,看得出來他要辭職嗎 |
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看得出來嗎我應該是看不出來那你說你是剛剛才得知早上才得知說他要辭職那你是怎麼得知的是從媒體得知嗎對所以是媒體你看到他的辭職新聞你才知道他要離職 |
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那部長我就覺得很奇怪你知道嗎因為一般如果要辭職的行政流程應該是這樣因為他是運動部次長嘛您是他直屬長官嘛應該他要先跟你口頭表示他要辭職然後接下來你們兩個人先稍微聊一下以後他就遞出書面的辭呈而且那個辭呈應該是先到您那邊然後你確定之後跟他談完挽留不住才會往行政院送嘛 |
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那現在顯然他辭職完全沒有告訴你然後最詭異的就是因為您今天早上全部都在立法院然後行政院自己跳出來證實說對這個正式中有個人的其他生涯規劃所以要離職代表說次長的我不知道他的任用跟你有沒有關的但是顯然是他的離開你完全沒有任何的影響等於是你的這個人事的部分好像有點被架空了 |
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怎麼會這樣?你是在運動部裡面人事權都是像鄭世忠次長這樣嗎?跟委員您報告,這次長的任用應該是行政院也是行政院? |
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你的次長全部都是行政院派給你的我的任用權應該是行政院所以他的辭職也不會跟你講就跟行政院講然後重點是對你也很不尊重不管他是怎麼來到運動部但你們也共事這麼久了要離開也要跟你講一聲怎麼會完全不理你而且他是新聞一發布之後據說就開始休假都還沒准就開始休假也是蠻奇怪都不用業務交接都不用談一下他的業務後續怎麼處理 |
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部長你覺得這樣是有符合行政流程吧?官委員您報告這個後續我會在今天立法院完了之後回去馬上了解然後去做後續的處理我只是覺得因為部長您那時候來當運動部第一個運動部的成立大家很期待第二個看到您金牌選手來當部長金牌部長大家也是很期待啦可是正式中辭職這個事情就凸顯感覺好像有些在運動部的事情你是使不上力的 |
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你沒有辦法完全掌控全部的事情所以我是覺得蠻可惜我們是希望給你力量啦有機會的話應該就是在運動部這一塊應該要掌握然後呢實現你的理想啦謝謝委員然後再來我想關心一下就是最近棒球迷很care的一件事就是亞太棒球場 |
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那時候他因為是統一師的主場就在那邊開幕嘛然後總統也非常的重視這個事情所以他也有去參加開幕賽這個部長你應該知道嘛那天你有去嗎有當天我有參加你也有去結果你知道亞太棒球場有多扯嗎因為他不是外面 |
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外面的部分,外面的部分,攤商部分因為統一師根據台南市政府的說法是統一師沒有租所以前兩天是委託統一師去招商但後來覺得說這不合規定所以台南市政府說把他拿回來招商拿回來招商那明天他又要比賽了明天又要比賽囉結果最新的消息是說 |
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最近的消息是說那個他因為要重新檢視賽事安排所以原先規劃的招商案先取消還有另外再上架代表說很可能統一市在那邊的主場有好幾場也許都沒有攤商的那這個事情在棒球迷是很不能接受那為什麼因為大家都知道現在其實球團的經營球場也是 |
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也是能夠讓棒球風氣提高的一個很重要的因素大家除了是看棒球之外也是在享受一個氛圍嘛商業經營模式可是台南市這件事情居然沒有考慮到攤商的問題我看資料顯示喔是去終止是去年12月就決定了今年統一市的主場在亞太棒球場所以實際上台南市政府是有很多時間可以去規劃這個招商怎麼會搞到這樣子急救張然後還 |
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還推翻了之前的規劃又要重新上個標案本來想說上半年就好現在又說要改掉變成全年那球迷的權益呢部長當然你會講說那個是台南市政府黃偉哲的事可是問題是你剛剛也講了嘛總統很重視這個事情部長你也很重視對不對之前那個經典賽大家也都很重視然後運動部原本就有很多業務都是輔導地方政府推廣嘛所以這件事情部長你覺得站在你的角度跟高度你可以怎麼去跟台南市溝通 |
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跟委員您報告當然首先身為運動員也希望球迷真的在關賽的時候真的有一個很好體驗我覺得委員謝謝你重視我們這個不管是運動員還是球迷的體驗我覺得這點上面確實跟運動產業非常有關係那我們也希望說藉由這樣的機會我們去與這個台南市跟統一市去好好瞭解該怎麼去配合 |
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你們會去了解是不是我看到那個中華職棒會長蔡奇昌講說統一不應該要用日出的應該要用任陽的中職會長也發話了 |
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所以我覺得運動部應該要扮演更積極的角色好不好就是是會後去了解一下嗎還是怎麼樣好 謝謝韋爺就是盡量朝向棒球迷的權益那邊去處理啦這是當然然後再來我跟您請教一下在上個禮拜也是在運動界有發生一個事情網路上傳的很多啦也有很多人傳給我說有一個怕運的游泳選手叫 |
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林玉樹他在臉書上發表了一個非常長的長文六千字那他就指控幾件事情第一個事情是他用詞其實看起來蠻難過他說不要以為我沒有手可以擋你就可以一直閃我耳光因為之前帕雲游泳 |
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那個遊泳單項協會啊就一直沒有派他去參加國際賽然後後來呢他在去年的時候要去西班牙參加一個國際賽那他是募款自費那結果那個單項協會知道之後 |
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總會啦 中華帕拉林匹克總會製造之後呢就在2月的時候跟他聯繫 就說可以把你改成公費然後他就想說本來儀錄款好了 那既然你要改公費就公費結果到了3月5號 忽然間通知他說因為中東戰事爆發 那你要去西班牙要在杜拜轉機所以整個比賽取消 就是取消公費支持他去 |
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那他就覺得很奇怪啊只是轉機的地方發生戰爭那也可以換一個地方轉機啊為什麼要用這個理由不讓他去所以他後來自己又重新自費那重新自費又原本訂的飯店啊機票啊各方面已經安排好的行程全部重來因此多付了八萬塊多付錢啊那這個事情部長運動部應該知道吧第一時間我們就有掌握好那我現在請教兩件事第一個事情是對於 |
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這個中華帕拉林PIC總會這樣的做法您的運動部現在怎麼處理我們當然我們那時候就已經告訴他們在兩週內給我們檢討報告那上一週的事情那兩週內喔大家都很關注這件事耶沒錯我們也很關注這件事情那你初步了解總會有沒有問題 |
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我認為這個可能在溝通上一定有問題因為其實當時在林玉樹選手要去這個西班牙比賽的時候其實是整團被取消因為中東戰火的關係當然我們也相信這個林玉樹選手後續在自廢的情況下也依然前往到了西班牙比賽那但是當時在帕總這邊在溝通的時候整團取消的時候有跟選手們溝通好說之後會這個再安排比賽給他們參與 |
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因為帕總人家本來就是要自廢嘛你去找人家變公廢然後你又趕快取消你找人家麻煩嗎我覺得失利不周嘛第二個整團取消這個事情也很奇怪啊你就換個地方轉機就好了第三件事情其實這個林玉樹選手他表現不錯耶 |
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他後來自廢區參加之後在50公尺仰式或50公尺自由式都有刷新全國紀錄所以他是一個蠻不錯的選手然後他的另外一點指引就是這個單項協會對於推派誰去參加比賽到底有沒有標準成績應該是一個標準 |
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那是不是有時候什麼潛規則比如你教練是誰你教練跟協會比較好你就比較能夠去參加比賽然後不是用成績來當一個判定的標準所以是不是可以請運動部去了解一下不要黑箱作業公佈一下像類似這樣的比賽挑選選手部分的標準是什麼部長 |
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跟委員您報告其實在這個類似的選拔標準其實都有公開出來那問題是人家就質疑啊人家就質疑說他成績一直都很不錯啊然後但是就一直沒有被挑到啊 |
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跟委員您報告所以你是覺得他講的不對了跟委員您報告以自身案例來講的話我18歲的時候也是全國前幾名但是依然也是自廢出國那這是我個人的案例當然我不是在質疑林玉樹選手的問題那我們當然希望說各個單項協會、特定體育團體未來要有更加制度化避免這樣相關的事情產生 |
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所以部長的意思是說因為你自己也遇到這個狀況所以別人就應該要委員我跟委員您報告部長我們現在是點出問題假設我們透過這個個案的討論發現說單項協會確實在推派選手過程當中會比較偏頗或沒有制度化的話就希望運動部可以把它制度化就這麼單純那這個你要去了解的這不是我們兩個在這邊對不對講了這個東西你就因為你剛剛也講嘛你要調查兩個禮拜嘛現在才一個禮拜啊 |
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所以你要等到調查結果然後順便去了解一下其他協會的做法嗎?到底是不是因為成績在推派嘛?對,跟委員報告確實是這樣是因為成績推派?跟委員報告確實是,我們會就是等他報告結束會發文給委員您對,那請你就針對各個單項協會怎麼推派選手定一個標準出來好不好? |
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當然沒問題最後一個議題我們很多國中小都會有運動老師我現在講針對專任的部分現在專任老師他是各縣市自行招聘有的老師有的體育老師他可能比如說台南人好了但是他是新北招聘他想要回鄉服務就沒有辦法或者他搬家搬到其他縣市他也不能他就要到另外一個縣市重新去考 |
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那我知道當初這個運動老師的招聘是等於是學那個其他的專業老師的做法啦那可是其他的專業老師都有一個叫室外借聘的做法就是說他可以找到另外一個縣市如果有人要願意跟他換或者是什麼他就可以借聘過去那為什麼運動老師就不體育老師就不行為什麼 |
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跟委員您報告這點上面我確實沒有了解到好那您去了解一下好不好沒問題就是可以讓他室外借聘嗎你去了解一下好不好那也是一樣再回覆我可以嗎跟委員您報告我們會後去還有順便再講一個如果你還是要去研究的話就是像有一些學校的 |
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體育老師、運動教練他們因為三年要考核嘛那三年考核都是用成績來做考核那實際上有一個不公平之處啦因為他到一個學校去也許他非常認真在教但是原本那個球隊他的實力就不如其他所以他可能讓那個球隊的成績進步但是他就是沒有辦法擠到前進名那 |
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我覺得這個就讓那些教練我覺得是不公平的這點上我覺得非常感謝委員對於專人運動教練相關的體制上有遇到問題其實這點上我也相對的非常重視就如同您所說的這個確實是我們需要去思考到底如何去幫助基層的專人運動教練所以大概什麼時候會有一個結果出來 |
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這個跟體育班的這個問題也會一起在演繹因為體育班跟專業運動教練都會有一起相關的事情那大概什麼時候?壓個日期好不好? |
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跟委員您報告那這個在體育班的部分的話我們確實今年有委託師大來去做相關的分工還有這個後續的因為部長是什麼時候會做一個決定啦不是委託啦委託大家研究都是天荒地老啦什麼時候可以你都覺得這是一個問題的嘛那什麼時候要解決這個問題嘛壓一個時間啦因為這個真的壓一個時間不然你只是做研究啊研究就是有利有弊利害得心分析完之後你就不動了啊 |
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跟委員要做一個決定這個部分是否可以會後我們確認後給委員會後比如說三個月決定是不是如果委員我們因為其實真的體育班專任運動教練這件事情其實真的會牽扯沒有其實我覺得這兩個事情是切開來看的不必然一定要扯到體育班的專任運動我現在講的是說那些教練三年考核的問題對你現在考核調整就好了不必要說一定要綁什麼大定格不用啊 |
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不然你一個月內正在考核這事情給我一個報告啦考核的部分一個月內好謝謝謝謝委員您好謝謝葉委員的詢問我們下一位委員林倩琦林倩琦委員你都很喜歡坐中間的下次我不是不是不是沒有注意到 |
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好 谢谢我们的主席罗昭伟有请运动部李部长好 有请部长 |
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部長好本席今天就幾個面向來跟你做一個討論然後也希望有一些比較具體的回應也就是本席在總質詢的時候其實有跟院長這邊來做有關於這個運動部一些相關議題的討論那結果部長竟然在本席提議運動部遷到高雄的同時他說他也有想過這個花東的一個發展所以本席今天就繼續來針對運動部的整個偵測 |
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政策方向跟花東尤其是本席來自元鄉所以對於花東元鄉的運動發展非常關注那所以在院會裡面提到那個其實當時院長講到要往東發展那我也希望能夠從高雄來帶動花東那東部我們就現在宜蘭可能是另外一個概念但是最重要是花蓮跟台東尤其是元鄉地區所以 |
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那過去呢我們知道在花東的原鄉我們有很多的人才尤其是運動人才但是呢感覺上過去的制度花東都變成了像選手的來源地但是人才養成了之後呢又送到西部訓練升學然後又就業那這個模式對地方來講其實比較造成的是人才外流而不是在地發展 |
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所以本席認為運動部應該來做進一步的思考將花東園鄉從人才的一個輸出端提升為人才培育端甚至到運動科學的一個知識端所以本席要請教部長三個方向第一個是有關於產管的一個設備跟設施目前運動部針對花東地區尤其是 |
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園鄉的這個周邊那部長可能可以再去查一下園鄉的這個定義那在園鄉的周邊是有沒有盤點哪一些場館可以升級哪一些區域適合發展新設的專項運動訓練基地比如說原住民有很多人才在田徑舉重棒球射擊拳擊這些本來就人才技技了 |
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那有沒有一些規劃讓這些高度相關的項目在東部建立比較完整的區域培訓據點那第二個部分是有關於專項運動的培訓那麼院長已經說了我們要把東部納入一個培訓體系那運動部就應該趕快著手來規劃跟地方政府還有學校來合作如何從國中高中一直到大專在地的一個銜接機制 |
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那麼在立法院115年的這個預算評估也談到高中以下學校的體育班的一個下降這代表基層的銜接可能有一些隱憂那你是不是同意花東不能只靠個別教練或學校來苦撐而是應該由中央提出區域型的培訓計畫並且加強跟教育部合作 |
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第三個部分是運動科學人才的培訓本席在總諮詢其實也有提到這個其實部裡面也有在做一些推動本席總諮詢談的就是說在運動科學的這個人才目前跟你們直接有一些對應的就是運動數據分析師另外還有幾項運動防護還有運動科學還有體能訓練運動行政的人才培育目前因為我有國訓中心運科中心 |
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國內的產業跟科技體系也逐漸的形成那本席進來也提出一個有關運動防護師的一個專法的一個草案那你們有沒有可能在花東來建立這樣一個支持的系統那例如定期的下鄉區域的合作跟專案的培訓甚至跟大專院校來合作培養東部在地的運客人才那以上三點是不是您可以先做一個回應 |
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跟委員您報告,那首先感謝委員您對於東部的場館還有我們這個運科人才的培訓非常的重視那院長前一陣子也有去到花東花蓮這個台東體中這邊然後去看訪,然後也有告訴我們這個只是我們這個在這個東部的發展我們要更加積極所以他應該這個部分特別有感嘛對不對 |
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所以也跟委員您報告那最近我們確實會希望說能夠像委員您講的我們希望變成一個跟地方政府還有學校合作作為一個區域的培訓據點所以對於區域培訓據點應該運動部現在應該有比較具體的一個規劃跟計劃最近有開始著手因為院長應該是上禮拜去的 |
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本席好像上個禮拜質詢所以他有說希望能夠在東部這個部分來強加所以本席今天提出來的就是說東部的人才跟區域型的還有專項的一個培訓計畫跟基地我想這個應該是比較具體的應該有一些期程跟具體的方案如果你們有相關的進度本席這邊也要知道目前進度的一個內容 |
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剛才本席談到了運動科學跟科技人才的一個培訓那你們有沒有可能定期下鄉做區域合作跟專案的培訓計畫呢 |
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這部分我們會來去努力定期下鄉去了解說可能應該是下鄉的培訓啦我想你們應該有一些了解啦就是定期下鄉的一個培訓是不是部裡面這邊也可以把它變成計畫其中的一個專項或者是一個項目實地的去執行跟委員您報告那這一點上面我們會去來努力 |
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那接下來本席就本席比較關注而且比較擅長的水域運動這邊也要跟部內來做一個討論那教育部過去在體育署的時期也有針對這個水域運動做一些調查結果後來發現 |
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那民眾參與水域運動活動的比例不太高在2023年是5%結果到2025年又降到了4.1%那很多民眾對於這樣子的狀況其實回應的是說想參與但是不知道去哪怎麼開始也不知道是不是安全那本席這項是真的在過程當中本席參與的水域運動民眾的這樣子的一個感覺本席是真的深有所感 |
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所以目前存在的三個問題是第一個場館設施的不足跟分佈不均然後第二個是水域資訊的分散也沒有整合第三個當然是民眾對水域安全跟正確的知識不太足所以呢以上三個問題其實水域運動很難普及那當然還有其他一些相關的限制所以本席在針對全民署之前 |
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所做的幾個針對這樣問題的目標包括了智慧化的海洋運動地圖的系統還有海洋運動指引的制度跟海洋運動中心的建設這個方向本席是還算支持但是本席要請教的是第一 有關智慧化海洋運動地圖是不是可以做到即時性跟安全性整合 |
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例如天氣、浪況、水流還有救援的據點、可活動的等級可不可以整合一個成為一個民眾真正能夠使用的工具因為我們現在都分別從不同的專業的APP在看這樣的資訊然後第二個部分是海洋運動的指引制度可不可以分級讓不同年齡、不同能力的這個民眾知道自己可以適合參加哪一種類型或哪一種等級的水域運動那第三是有關於海洋運動中心 |
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是不是可以有一些多元運動的目前你們是多元的模式在推動讓民眾來清水但是呢是不是可以避免單一的據點建設本席認為應該推動一個區域性的運動網絡並且成為產業那也就像東部我們知道目前宜蘭可能有一些水域中心但是花蓮 |
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台東都沒有那本席在這邊要為花東來請命那尤其是我們接近那個太平洋所以應該是很重要的一個發展的據點那是不是可以針對以上有關於智慧化海洋運動地圖還有海洋運動指引的這個制度還最後海洋運動中心可以跟本席做一個回應好嗎 |
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各位委員您報告感謝您對於這個水域運動的這個精進的這個重視那這部分我們都會來努力因為台灣是個海島國家那我們希望說在這點上面我們希望可以讓更多人參與水域運動好的那有沒有比較具體的一個期程比如說有沒有示範區的黨中長期的計畫像有沒有比較具體的一個計畫你們目前正在執行 |
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官委員您報告是不是請全民運動署署長來 |
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好 署長我們大概也有一些交流啦那有沒有什麼新的進度跟分析大概講的部分有一些推動部目前是整個由海委會這邊已經有整合起來了然後運動資源的部分目前也有一個一站式的網頁這個部分上面有在做一個結合跟提供相關的一個資訊然後海洋運動中心的部分我們現在目前因為包括我們署裡面今年大概也有一筆經費可以針對之前那個 |
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運用前瞻基礎建設所建造的大概有16個據點這部分我們會今年跟各縣市政府這邊來持續再優化這些場館的相關的設施跟環境謝謝署長本席知道您大概在這個部分的推動也算蠻有誠意的那這邊我的提醒就剛才我講的那三項那你們路過目前沒有一個比較具體的規劃你們應該開始要啟動比較具體的時程 |
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然後也檢視目前有的資源那常常是當然你們跟海委會有一些合作但是到最後實際的狀況常會變成海委會認為是運動部的事運動部認為是海委會的事然後所有的人都會夾在中間不知所措結果就導致剛才本席所講的那個海域運動或者是水域運動相關的一個接觸就比例上就越來越少所以這個部分是希望你們能夠多加關注好不好 |
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好那最後一個本席這邊要還是要簡單的請教部長那麼這個地方提出來的計畫沒有被部長給收下那後來又變成到跟預算有關那我想今天很多委員也給部長一些建議對於預算的一個使用那當然運動部應該是最主要的 |
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我們的能力能夠被展現就是遇到問題怎麼去處理至於大家現在一直覺得預算預算預算至於預算的一個流程預算的法規跟預算的如何運用而有效度我想這個應該是運動部要好好的去做檢視檢討然後跟處理的 |
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我想今天很多委員都給你一些建議那最重要的就是說假設行政院沒有依法行政的話那部長作為運動部的一個首長如何跟行政院來溝通讓應該已經立法院通過的預算能夠趕快執行我想這個 |
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是我們對你的期待啦也就是立法院我們依法行政那我們也希望行政院在這個部分大家能夠為了民眾的福利好好來依法行政我想是不是也建議部長有機會多跟院長做一些溝通讓立法院已經通過了預算能夠好好的來被執行好嗎謝謝委員好謝謝這是本期今天對你的執行跟期待謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝林委員的質詢答謝謝部長我們下一位陳瑛委員好 謝謝主席 麻煩請部長有請部長 |
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委員您好部長好你後面站了一個台東人Sorry沒有Sorry他很棒啊好那在這個運動政策有這個鐵三角那就是競技運動運動產業還有這個全民運動那在這長期以來我們台灣的這個運動資源大部分都過度集中在這個競技運動好像一般就是奪牌啦 |
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赢球就会得到所有的关注也很多的问题都可以解决相对的对于全民运动这一块的发展就比较相对轻忽了 |
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其实呢必须要有足够的这些运动人口呢才会有一些才会接下来有这个健康的运动文化那也才能培养更多更厉害的选手去参与竞技然后培养出更多的消费人口来支撑整个运动产业的发展那我想全民运动呢它更是为这个国家减少我们健保支出的一个最大的利器部长同意这样的概念吗 |
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首先感謝你對於我們全民運動跟競技運動的重視那我非常認同剛剛委員您講的我們希望更多人來參與運動並不是把所有人都培養成運動員而是希望大家來參與運動然後保持身體的健康 |
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是那所以这个运动部成立以后增设这个全民运动署那希望更多的人力和经费来推广运动那北京是非常肯定跟支持也乐见李洋部长今天所提出的说明不过我们现在问题来了运动部推广这个全民运动的措施有没有考虑到这个城乡差距有没有注意到东部跟西部在资源上的差别 |
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這個是本席很關心的事情在這邊我想先跟部長分享的就是在我的故鄉台東縣我們在這裡孕育出全國最優質還有最多的棒球選手 |
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但是我們來看一下這個統計數據在2011年國建署有調查台東18到64歲的成人過重的部分肥胖率高達48.3%這個是全國之冠這很難相信說我們台東竟然拿到這個冠軍那被稱為這個胖子縣 |
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那即便在台東縣政府很努力推動健康體重管理的計畫超過10年我們台東縣的肥胖人口比例截至2024年的統計報告跟全國22個縣市比較起來我們還是排在前五名 |
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另外我們再看一下根據去年的這個運動現況調查台東縣的運動人口比例是我們全國倒數第三名那落後全國平均值83.3%將近6個百分點我想跟部長分享這樣的一個數據那為什麼 |
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我們培養出全國最多優秀棒球國手的台東縣但我們一般民眾的運動比例健康情形比較起來相對的是非常不理想的部長你有沒有想過這個問題 |
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跟委員您報告那首先在我個人認為在我們這個整體的運動文化上面我們還是希望說從這個學童的時候就能積極來參與體育運動這樣的這樣的做法那當然我覺得這點上面我們還是希望說就如同委員您重視東部這一塊那我們也希望說在這個在推動規律運動的話我們會希望可以不要有盡量縮減我們的城鄉差距 |
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所以這個運動當然從小運動的習慣從小開始培養是好的但是我們其實在很多長大這個成年甚至邁入老年的我們這些人口這些民眾其實也非常想要運動只是卡在我們台東其實看起來就是不用到夏天 |
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四月之後五月開始已經天氣真的非常熱了甚至到我還會吹墳風那加上我們其實風這個有時候颱風大大小小大的風災我們就不講但是小颱風經過的時候我們也是其實那個下雨的機率也是很高那我們再看一下我想問一下部長就是過去體育署補助的國民運動中心全國有幾個 |
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來 旁邊幫忙一下四合跟委員你們有30座好 那台東有幾個沒有運動中心的話是沒有對 台東其實運動中心一個都沒有那後來又有推出一個規模比較小的這個全民運動館那全國就補助了20個那台東就是只有一個那預計今年會完工 |
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那很显然就是我们如果单纯只是从场馆的这个思维来看当然虽然我们人口比较少但是不要忘了我们服务员很辽阔部长知不知道台东这个由北到南全长几公里 |
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委员确实不清楚其实总共有170几公里将近180公里这是很狭长的而且我们从全民运动的精神出发就算 |
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不是住在市區的民眾在最北端的長濱的民眾一直到南回幾個這個南回好幾個鄉也都很遠甚至不要忘了台東還有離島還有蘭嶼跟綠島我想除了市區以外的民眾大家都有應該要有這個運動的權益但我有注意到這個全民運動中心的這個推動社區運動俱樂部的計畫 |
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目前總共有收到大概90個申請案件我們去看一下這些申請案件裡面其中比較多的都是辦理一次性的推廣活動或競賽 |
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其中只有兩件是學校配合校園開放政策要增購這個器材的申請案那也就是說這個空間的建置這個跟空間建置是比較相關但是案件非常少那部長你知道這兩案是位於在哪些縣市 |
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還在申請當中跟委員報告目前還在申請當中那這兩案確實我們你們不清楚在哪裡哪邊旁邊幫忙一下跟委員報告一下因為我們現在這個社區運動俱樂部的實施計畫那個在上個月的26號才剛公告目前會受理申請到4月30號我們掌握到目前有送了兩案有學校 |
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因為我們是透過那個申請平台上面來做一個申請但是我想初步提供你們這些數據給你們參考就是說其實看起來這個計畫的推廣看起來不是很充足啦 |
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你們可以再去檢視一下因為本期是想要建議我們在各地中小學除了操場以外也都會有一些小型的體育館或者是體育教室各個鄉鎮有時候有些也會有自己檢疫的體育館或者是風雨球場 |
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那運動部全民運動署呢應該要請你們來充分盤點這些運動空間那針對不足的地方比如說設施老舊啦還有設備需要添購要拜託你們主動要給予支持 |
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並且要給予非都會區的鄉鎮更多的支持才可以平衡這些城鄉的差距本席是要做這樣子的要求當然盤點工作它絕對是大工程所以我在這裡剛剛有列出這個數據不管是我們的全場分佈 |
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然後剛剛提供這些都是讓部長了解一下就是說我們是不是可以優先從這個非都會區來進行那我們台東就是一個非常需要優先來處理的一個區域 |
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謝謝你重視台東的這個發展那我們會努力來處理那我剛剛也點了很多就是學校啊操場外的這些小型的風雨教室啊體育館體育教室等等我們現在還遇到一個問題我舉個例子部長你知道就是說好我們譬如說籃球的社團 |
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好那要去跟學校租用場地打籃球你知道多少錢嗎你知道一天多少錢嗎每一個學校應該是不太一樣那你覺得大概多少錢合理讓社團可以支應有能力可以租這個場地應該這個費用比較合理是要落在哪裡因為我們要固定一個月然後每個禮拜六日打個籃球這樣子 |
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單次三百到五百之間一個人嗎 還是十段那我跟您報告一下我們台東有出現過的這個費用有一天到一萬二的還有半天一萬的 |
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都有所以也有社團跟我抱怨過他們想要租借的場地但是遇到這樣子的問題那當然很多學校是不願意出傑的所以我覺得你們政策的推動跟實務上在執行其實是有落差那我現在不是憑空在這裡生出來確實有社團跟我做這樣的反應所以他們才會一直想要再蓋籃球場啊 |
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那即便是有那個就是像這個風雨籃球場對風雨籃球場但因為有些如果不是旁邊有遮蔽其實風很大吹一下也是大家都凌晨落湯雞那這個部分我提供給部長參考或許下次我們可以一起到台東去考察一下那我想這個盤點完空間之後最後人才要來盤點 |
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因為如果在各個鄉鎮具備有證照的運動指導員向民眾提供教學與協助相信可以鼓勵更多的民眾可以做正確安全的運動那當然這些指導員運動部編列預算計畫 |
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讓跟這個地方政府可以共同來補助那就算是終點費的補助其實也就是多一點點資源來支持這些退役的這個運動選手回到故鄉而不是說只有留在外地留在都會區的這個健身房或者到學校當教練這兩種再不然就淪落到工地去蓋房子都有的好所以目前運動部 |
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這個全民運動署有補助企業聘用運動指導員的計畫我希望類似的補助呢不要只是補助企業也要補助資源比較少的縣市來做所以這個部分是不是能夠請部長你交辦同仁然後加以研究用比較具體的方案跟經費讓我們台東縣也讓其他偏鄉可以 |
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類似就是說類似迫切需要推廣運動的這些非都會區能夠有空間有人才一起來做運動可以嗎委員謝謝您對於運動的重視那這一點上面我們會與全民運動署來會後來跟委員您了解需求是什麼好那你們大概彙整一下我們開始做個研究那謝謝部長好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝委員的詢答謝謝部長請坐 |
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好 下一位 盧憲一 盧憲一 盧憲一林楚瑩 林楚瑩 林楚瑩徐欣盈 徐欣盈 徐欣盈蔡宇宇 蔡宇宇 蔡宇宇洪孟楷 洪孟楷 洪孟楷洪玉翔 洪玉翔 洪玉翔黃潔 黃潔 黃潔鄭振淺 鄭振淺 鄭振淺楊瓊音 楊瓊音 楊瓊音 |
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19861.601 |
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今天登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢宣達結束另有洪逸祥、謝榮介、蘇清泉、黃婕、盧憲一、徐欣盈、羅廷維委員另外提出的書面質詢列入公報紀錄關於本次會議做如下的決定 |
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報告及詢答完畢委員所提的書面質詢相關資料均要列入記錄刊登公報對委員質詢所要求提供的相關資料或未及答覆的部分請相關機關盡速與書面答覆另有臨時提案相關的提案也盡速處理報告委員會今日的議程處理完畢現在散會 |
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谢谢大家 |