| IVOD_ID |
17324 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17324 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-07T08:32:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-07T11:06:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:33:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6093873ca03e6e11a9cfe850adc8d4db2eb7a9d5466ed3f8140bf24aaf8ca87033c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「要求行政院院長卓榮泰即刻核准各部會動支業經通過之新興民生計畫預算共計718億元，並依法編列『警察人員人事條例』及軍人志願役待遇調整等法律之相關預算，以維護國家整體利益，確保人民基本福祉，並回復憲政體制之正常運作。」是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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完整會議 |
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08:32:36 - 11:06:00 |
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報導卓院長各位列席的閣員早安報告院會我們現在繼續開始開會對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢今天我們要進行個人質詢內政組質詢第一位蘇巧惠委員 |
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這質詢已書面提出請行政院以書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報接下來我們請本日登記第二位沈伯陽委員請質詢謝榮介委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝主席那一開始有請院長跟陸委會 謝謝麻煩請卓院長陸委會備選省委員長院長早那這個一開始當然還是這個開宗明義還是要講一下就是說 |
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我們現在的總預算當然在野黨有提到說有可能有機會審查但是什麼時候開始我們也還不知道畢竟從去年8月法定的日期一直到10月被提出復議一直到現在已經非常多天了由預算才有辦法做事軍購是有幸在 |
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上個禮拜已經開始被討論那被討論之後現在比較麻煩的地方就是本來原定就是這一個禮拜要開始做協商軍購的部分結果現在國民黨黨團提出要延到4月15號那也就是這個習政會之後那這個當然我覺得會有點瓜田李下的問題如果說今天我們要等到 |
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這個鄭麗文主席跟習近平會面之後我們才可以來討論我們軍購的項目那無疑你不是在等著中國的首肯你才可以來討論軍購的內容所以我今天想要聚焦在這個看到報載這個鄭麗文是今天早上要出發所以我第一個想問的事情是這一個就是說目前來講我們可以看到他在裡面有提到說這個 |
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這個是對方的邀請那這個內容呢新聞安排現在看起來都是由北京來規劃跟主導那在訪期間呢他一定會需要有一個法律的框架我認為呢這個不管行政會有發生還是沒有發生最後他們見面之後一定是希望再度提出原來的這個法律框架這個兩岸同屬一中啊 |
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他們堅決反對台獨這個一定是他們要的法律框架但我現在在意的中間的是細節因為我們一直以來公務人員一旦去到中國要經過陸委會要經過聯審會要同意了要形成公開透明才能夠過去 |
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那我在前兩年提出的這個國安法案這個修正認為說立法委員如果去立法委員可以去嗎 可以但是他一旦去了他一樣他的行程也要公開他需要通過聯審會然後讓國人知道你到底去談了什麼那現在這個法案已經被擋了800多次院版現在也提出來了 |
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但是不管是我提版本還是院版提的版本其實並沒有去討論那政黨的主席去的話該怎麼辦因為政黨的主席其實理論上一個政黨的主席尤其是在國會握有重要席次的主席他可以跟黨團一起開會啊他可以告訴他的不分區立委說有什麼事情是他在意的但是政黨主席一直以來並沒有在我們的法律框架之內 |
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所以就變成說他說去就去 說回就回那不在我們的法律框架之內所以第一個我想問一下陸委會就是說因為其實陸委會的能量我知道在這個前年開始被砍預算的時候陸委會本來就沒有太大的一個執法的能量他也只是被動的比如說好這一個工人要過去他過來回報 他上去系統填然後呢經過聯審會各式各樣的程序 |
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那現在政黨主席不在我們的規範範圍之內那我們要怎麼知道他去了到底談了什麼難道就只能根據他們現在新聞的報導有根據的媒體媒體還是被控制的所以如果我們要怎麼去控管這件事情 |
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是 謝謝熊委員的關注這個問題對於政黨的代理人或是有真正政治影響力的人附入要不要管制我們曾經有很多討論包括我們這次送來的行政院版有第一次把立法委員送來這邊做規範把它放在特定人員來審查 |
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以及我們也在這次的修法裡面有把所有的民選公職人員賦入接觸黨政軍都必須公開揭露這個都是過去所沒有的也是我們來確保我們的跟公務人員跟公職人員有關賦入我們經過透明化那麼來防範一方面是提醒對內提醒你可能會被有滲透的風險 |
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二方面就是讓大家都知道我們的公職人員到中國大陸去幹什麼那這個也是希望達成一個民主防衛機制那我們要強調剛剛委員提的這個方向也是我們本來要立法但是怕說規範的實在是因為我們台灣的政黨很多那什麼是有政治影響力的這些人人物或是政黨代理人 |
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那這方面我們曾經有一度想要這麼做但是後來考慮規範太多所以想說下一次再提出來我們很支持委員的提法因為我的建議就是說確實政黨是獨 |
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所以或許有沒有跟國會握有一定的席次的政黨或許納入規範那這樣的話也比較符合比例原則那我問問這個問題還有另外一個理由就是因為最近爆發的這個徐春毅的案件那徐春毅的案件很特別就是說我們以往我們所關注的是比如說中國把手伸到我們的立法院或者說中國把手伸到我們的公務機關 |
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這是不分政黨的大家都有可能被滲透被滲透的其實都是被害者所以當民眾黨發生這種事情的時候對我來講我覺得民眾黨也是受害者就是他畢竟被滲透那當然他滲透怎麼處理那是民眾黨黨內的家務事但我們現在看到的就是因為剛剛講的是國民黨民眾黨一樣也是在國會握有重要的席次那中國如果今天是把手伸到政黨內部的運作然後政黨內部再去要求 |
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他的不管是公職人員還是黨務人員為特定的行為這個理論上也應該要被規範但我們現在反滲透法能夠用的這一個武器其實沒有很多反滲透法現在我們能夠真的來調查的我看到在這個案件比較明顯的可能就只有第五條就是遊說的部分就是說如果我今天滲透的來源我透過比如說徐春英徐春英再去接觸比如說立法委員 |
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這個可能就構成一個遊說的行為但這個東西也不好調查因為我們在前階段我們可以知道徐春英有沒有去接觸我們這邊的人員因為遊說理論上他要登記但是在前階段比如說滲透來源跟他的關係要不是這一次有調查有微信的記錄等等之類的我們永遠不知道這一個滲透來源跟他之間到底發生什麼事情 |
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那回到剛剛鄭麗文的例子其實也是一樣我們的滲透來源跟鄭麗文有沒有談什麼這個我們也不知道就是我們沒有辦法有一個充足的法律規範在事前來做預防所以在這邊我想問的就是在這個圖裡面滲透來源 |
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他有接觸徐春英 這個部分是目前我們的這個檢調看起來被證明的事情然後裡面他也有提到 這個徐春英又說他本來要找國民黨的哪一個立法委員 我這邊就不點名他說他要去找 只到後來沒找而已他一旦找了他就符合後半段那他就可以用反滲透法第五條那一模一樣的情形 現在鄭麗文主席所擁有的權力絕對比徐春英要來得更大 |
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那他現在到中國很明顯的一定會接觸到中國的黨政軍所以他跟滲透來源之間這一個紅色的箭頭有話虛謝嗎因為我們不知道他要談什麼那接下來如果他回到台灣他接觸國民黨的黨團接觸國民黨的立委然後跟他們講說好現在軍購應該要怎麼處理又或者去告訴他我們應該推什麼法案這不是沒有潛力嗎 |
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之前我們有一群立法委員到中國去回來了以後台企連作為一個代表就出來講說他認為反滲透法需要被修正所以當我們今天這兩個框架一個是現在已經在發生的案已經發生的案件正在被調查 |
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一個就是今天都已經要發生了那我們前面這一個的預防機制如果沒有去確立的話我們沒有辦法知道滲透來源跟鄭定為主席之間的關係那回過頭來就算我們看到他回來跟我們台灣的民意代表說軍購應該要怎麼做其他的這個法案應該要怎麼推就算有後面這個藍色的箭頭當前面的紅色箭頭沒有辦法被證明的時候其實反滲透法也一樣是無用無之地所以 |
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我在這邊還是就是剛剛其實陸委會也表達了一個立場就是說我們在當然現在這個修法到現在我們連前半段我們認為沒有爭議的這個都還沒有過但後半段我們是不是應該來研擬就是要有怎樣的一個方式讓前面這個可以透明化就像我剛剛提到的如果握有一定的席次重要的這一個影響力的政黨他的主席或者副主席 |
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他今天去跟滲透來源接觸的時候照樣也應該跟我們的軍警人員跟我們的中央的公務員一樣應該要有一個聯審會的機制不知道陸委會對於這件事情的看法是什麼 |
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是 謝謝沈委員對於反滲透法我們尤其對境外敵對勢力滲透來源他來只是委託資助這些證據過去真的是比較難舉證出來所以我們在這個滲透行為這個就不太容易成立那當然違法行為是有那加上滲透行為才能在司法上構成那個要件 |
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這個部分我們陸委會也針對過去實施以來我們找了很多在審判案子的法官還有檢察官都一起來研修未來反滲透法是不是在舉證方面能夠更快速更有具體的證據在整個他們在執法在查處當中遇到困難我們正在研究怎麼再提出一個更有實用的反滲透法來確保 |
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國家安全各位委員補充接受中共的任何指示委託或者贊助行為當然除非公開無法查證但是身為一個政黨的代表人或是具有實質政治影響力的人士用公開的方式與中共接觸難免必須受到高強度的監督尤其是國人跟媒體 |
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我們也希望所有這樣進行監督的人都能以國家為念過去我們曾經想做過一些修法但是只侷限在立法委員的身上也已經遇到相當大的阻礙這是預防性的修法那麼如果未來或是這一次有任何不法行為明顯的發生政府就不會是預防性的修法是要災後重建的方式來重建整套強而有力的法律規範才能確保國家的安全 |
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謝謝院長的這一個態度因為我覺得尤其比如說不管是我們的總預算不管是我們的軍購這其實都是對我們現在國家是重中之重但一直拖延到現在我們的國防也已經出現了這個空窗如果我們今天還要去看對方的臉色然後去決定我們要怎麼去構築我們的防衛系統這個真的會滑天下石打擊那當然我也是建議就是說我們在前階段我們檢驗有時候我們聯審會在檢驗的時候看的是他的可能公開的行程 |
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他可能見了誰然後我們去告訴他風險但這個內容也可以再度加強比如說今天鄭麗文去之前其實之前就有國共論壇本來有可能發生後來變成國共論壇後來變智庫交流這個的智庫交流裡面就有提到說他們想要醫療的合作想要AI的合作想要我們防災減災系統的合作國共之間要合作這些不管是醫療還是AI還是我們的防災系統這個很多甚至跟國家機密有關 |
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他甚至跟國人的隱私有關結果這個在前階段鋪陳的時候他就已經把這樣的一個城市交流擺在裡面那這個時候我們再假設以後就算政黨代表我們今天能夠納入到聯審會的審查我們也應該要告訴他講說如果前面已經發生這些事情你去談的時候在哪些地方有可能會觸發有哪些東西是我們國家要避免我認為這個都是重中之重 |
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那這個因為時間的關係我快速的想要問內政部不好意思麻煩請內政部備選委員好 |
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那我這邊快速的想要詢問災害協作中心目前就是說我們要成立這個災害協作中心的這個機制那前陣子因為花蓮發生的這個光復鄉的事件我們有很多的這個志工們全國性的到那一邊那因為如果按照本來的志願服務法志願服務法必須主管監管社會服務部他也不符合那個裡面的定義 |
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但是在志願服務法裡面呢這邊有包含民防啊、疫警啊什麼等等之類的這個又跟內政部有關那我們對於這種臨時的但是其實又需要指揮的我們目前來講我們現在有防災室我們有本來之前講過的這個應變中隊T3等等之類我們應該要怎麼去建立 |
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那這個災害協作中心這個概念我們如果要把它放到整個我們的防災系統裡面我們對於臨時來的志工我們對於替代役對於疫警疫消現在整個內政部規劃的大方向大概做到什麼樣的程度 |
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謝謝委員的關心有關於災害防救法防災協作中心的部分現在已經抱怨來審查也就是說未來在鄉鎮區公所的層級裡面的防災協作中心會有主任秘書或是秘書是屬於文官層級的來擔任 |
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災防時候的指揮官那如果說包括替代役或是其他的志工團體的話未來可以附在這些防災指揮中心裡面一起做防災協作的工作那但是他們的工作內容呢大概不涉及最緊急的救護那個救援跟搜救的工作是後續的譬如說這個收容安置撤離等等這些 |
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目前的規劃是這樣的方向因為我現在看到各地民防的工作越來越強調資安我相信資安當然本來是束發不足則但是這一個方面跟內政部民防整個系統訓練的合作上要怎麼把資安加進去這個等到我到內政委員會的時候我再來做深度的詢問沒有問題 我們未來努力謝謝部長 謝謝院長謝謝沈伯陽委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |
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報言會在我們議場二樓旁聽了來自台北市大安高宮的同學們我們掌聲歡迎接下來我們請謝榮介委員質詢鄭振前委員請準備 |
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議長我請到議長 麻煩再請左院長備詢謝委員好 到議長辛苦在五年前有出一件美國叫做林計劃 林警 |
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帝國的總理去美國鑑定這事情你聽得懂嗎?有稍微有印象阿卡蘇你跟立法總統的定位,如果美國跟你鑑定,這樣鑑不適當?總統跟我們政府一些人員的通訊的安全鑑不適當啊你沒有一個國家去鑑定其他的人都不適當,像這個國內開發的鑑定也不發的是是是,所以 |
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針對大陸對我們的心頭,我們有法律在調查嘛,要放棄,畢竟中華現在分敵的過程中,我們過去也對他們做了很多滲透,心頭他們提了進步,這個工序包括你在做外交的時候都很困難,已經八十年的演繹了,所以有些人忙碌在內,有條來的當務務,知道啊,懂啊,怎麼知道啊 |
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一直對我政府站在國家安全 火雄鐵器一直對我三聲五令 再三提醒是應該的 我在懷疑說為什麼是你跟大總統一天有去美國感情不然為什麼我們在買軍費 我們是買家呢還是買風呢 都不知道在出價咧對不對再來 如果美國對台灣 |
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特定的人一半的補助都六千萬這要什麼?這不正常他看不來補助吃糧食看不來補助倒影台對不對?在這裡為什麼我們在出門我們在買東西都沒人在出給我是懷疑啊乖盲的看 賣命的看 |
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包括政府介紹都有當後我們請請請 要買比人家好一點我們的介紹在國際都平均 這我同意因為我們有比較困難對其他的國家也很難拆槓來源悠閒啦 比較貴一百萬一億買我們的貨我都同意 加50%、80% 同意你問我加200%、300% 你看 |
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愛合理,我們情緒合理的解答啊這個太陽能這個事情,我感覺你們最近處理得不好我感覺你的態度不錯,為什麼你們經濟部在說太陽能,氣墊共生,我說氣勢天生啊我同時說要給我加,事後證明就是氣勢天生啊啊你們現在要來解讀 |
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說阿董不用去啊 太陽明會做到啊現在發生問題在這 你現在是要給他絕對合法嗎不是 平時都不用去 也是要是換一個專業的縫隙跟團體來去你經緯化的東西 阿董你現在這個落地檢查 阿扁他們總是不用查檢察官也不用再查啊 大家就不用去啊 |
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行政委員說不用去批准沒關係啊沒有沒有沒有 請委員可以清楚行政委包括農業部都不是這個態度是未來可以交給專業的市民跟團體來批准我請你們講清楚 不然我跟你們講地方的人是很難理解的要夠溝通 要夠率民包括這個漏炮的 沉浴沉沉的市民現在也不能收錢 地主也不能拿錢 租金也不能拿 |
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你們要重視啦 因為怎樣 查你們啦 沒有要查有啦 有阿邦台南市的地檢署只查一間就對了一間就多利九十億啊啊白頭不敢再查了 因為這樣 越查越難看 |
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要查清楚,這你的態度,你兩天來我在這裡已經傾聽你幾遍這種態度,但是沒進度啊你有態度啊,會不會沒進度?你要憲端保護鄉親一個公道啊市役的保安是高層壓制,不發的保安,會不會沒絕對查到最底?傾聽啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
你還要跟法務部長交代一下我會特別再交過一個回憶來處理一下再找一間出來給我們批判一下啦不是一間所有不法的我都希望可以打結你都知道我們這幾間也要查了我很緊張我這裡單兩檔這樣這點謝謝委員的提示喔我會加進去 能進行那間?查到你九十一日是蔡英文的人來查的又不是你起來查的你看你這樣出來說兩檔還在這裡說要查要查查兩檔一件都沒有啊 |
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來最近我對你修改有一個意見就是為什麼我們立法院通過的林書中選委你比較不想給我發聘書啦我告訴你這個下去到底齁 |
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社會對你沒教訓,這樣你會去害到老總統耶一萬億多本來聽在這裡不錯不錯的雖然沒氣你但是又沒人了你接聘、臨聘你會有意見,或是你要補貼名 |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
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可以啊 既然你已經通過了 這樣你稍微躲起來不好啦 你的官党 你的官党不需要這樣啦官党你知道嗎 委員知道嗎沒有啦 原因是什麼 五條來台我告訴你 你只要你記我 我記你 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
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議員有過你怎麼會說有條來打鼓舞這是我跟韓院長說的為什麼有條來打鼓舞你說韓院長要打鼓舞 他要打鼓舞是因為他在主持在主傳每一個立法委員是獨立行事的議席啊中團跟東團也有說過 也有拜訪過啊啊如果只有你現在這個做法我現在用少林基心肚滾出一半我如果七年都跟你同歸 |
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結果你就要自己拚他什麼的這四個你都說沒辦法拚死他我絕對不會這樣做因為你現在的做法就讓我感覺你為什麼會這樣做我絕對不會這樣做不需要 |
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你是行政議長啊你沒有發給我 你知道我要怎麼做嗎你沒有發給我 你知道我要怎麼做嗎你一個中華民國最高的行政首長啊你變這個有看不順的牌子看啊委員沒關係啦 你繼續在我裡面如果沒有說信用在我裡面如果沒有說信用整個中宣是要去外國怎麼說主張啦我是跟你建議 我是良心的建議啦 |
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我也有提示我要補貼名沒有中跟不中我們也有說要補貼名很難看沒有中跟不中的啦你是最高的行政首長啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
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所以我就是補貼名所以我就是補貼名所以我就是補貼名 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
你都不解釋問題啊 我是同意 我才不同意 你就坐在旁邊啊你有沒有人不讓我坐在旁邊啊 坐在旁邊看是你的 你問我有同意嗎我自己坐在旁邊啊 你這樣我是抱歉跟你贏啦這樣我自己坐在旁邊啊 你看是你的嘛你的教廷署來 我們教廷署給你審查通過事業你敢拚臉就好啊 七個人我們說好的 你們只通過事業這樣你還有話要說你如果不拚那是你家的事 我跟我的關係 人家可以沒信用到這個程度 |
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| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
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那是你個人的信任不是嗎我是很尊重你的黨 我是說這個事情我看得不一樣不相同啊不相同啊想好七個人的名單 你只能同歸四野我要說嘛 鄉郡不大竊民人啊這是棋盃 你知道嗎選擇 選出選議 |
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3341.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3357.083 |
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怎麼說兩個人都同時出來了?沒有,那就是同時出來了你是大部分的人,你是有權力的人通常都在你家的平手、善意要由你勝出啦我告訴你,你要做不做那不重要,我現在請教你你去日本,拚多久,我告訴你,我是很跟你簽訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3364.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
你如果拆除老總統 進行做副總統的那種既定的方式真好啦 這是最突破中華民國的總統 副總統 行政議長到外交部長在中立建交的時候 他們有一個密切的臨時議會不能去你可以去做突破教育 真好咧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3392.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
外國的突破為什麼要你自己出錢 我覺得很浪費為什麼這個國家要你出錢 為什麼要你去包機因為今天有算 因為有算了很多 |
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幸好他沒有嫁給無所謂的祖師父我如果這樣回來 各位也是很有意見我還沒結婚 喝高粱就可以來來去去我沒有這個嫁給他 我想他可以結婚這個無所謂的你為台灣拚多久 你就有多危險啊這個無所謂 這個委員有體諒 我感謝他就發意做感恩書這沒問題 因為我是體諒嘛第一 我覺得你去那裡做沒尊嚴 日本人幫你說這樣做沒意思 |
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很沒意思啦他就跟妳說 妳看我們修正不可以跟妳同框喔我們沒辦法 我們有危難坦白說就好嘛放妳去妳是中華民國的最高修正去救日本 硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬硬� |
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這樣算很公平,這樣當然不能說外交突破我沒說啊,我是說突破捷克的防線,14比0只突破捷克的防線而已外交本來就沒辦法啦外交有很多秘密、很多筆記,在這裡威脅要能夠糾纏 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3490.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
那威脅不可以求全的 不如賣啊啊啦 你說這樣就要這樣去看一個四萬五百人 這樣才行當今的那個子彈 跟社務的現在我們台南這個林安科去在那裡說 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3503.828 |
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表現也不錯 你有要再去看一看嗎?如果有國家球隊去比賽 我們的選手 國中的機會 去跟我們的國家隊加油我會說 當然日本人對你的虧欠 我們是希望有一次你可以彌補這 彌補 |
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要彌補啊不然你跟我們中華民國的行政議長施民我日本朋友來我也是跟他說啊我說你怎麼這麼沒意思啊你還可以衝一趟啊不然你就過去不要讓我們去不要帶我們去啊 |
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對不對 你想當時 羅總統做副總統要去的時候要去參加安倍首相的家庭那也是到藍燈首相同意之後 同意他就安排嘛安排羅副總統就很快就去嘛你要參加 確實有參加就回來他如果去參加 家庭就不能參加平安夢園就回來 就漏氣嘛 對不對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
啊你今天去就是這樣嘛我看到啊 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到嗎 你看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3579.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3592.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
有人是要改政策 要政策啦希望以後的人會用更多的風險跟機會 更好的方法去來齁 現在這個民生問題啊你們這樣雄雄夫婦 這樣去婚禮 雇傭 偷窮 去欠債索價樓 也不算是藉助窮逢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3613.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
你這個刑犯251條 你要把他處罰就必須要你行政局說過索卡羅亞是民生必須的用品你有沒有說過沒有說過所以我們去查的是聯合我們查的是聯合壟斷有沒有聯合壟斷我們環保檢査已經做到二十多年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3638.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
大家出來 環保貸 回收貸重複使用的這麼多三個每一個人都準備了這麼多你沒帶沒吃 酒的不白 拿去弄到你胖你比較變得 本來就要穩定不給要穩定不給 我跟你講環保檢測是產業的目標這次是要提供民生之需求 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3675.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
我們做這個環保二十幾檔就是現在戰爭來啊嘛緊急的時候我們就贏得到嘛要兌兌驚艷叫專民不要窮逢嘛政府不可以這樣大家盡量自己自備啦這樣就好了列官都出來呼籲叫大家自閉就不會窮逢啦這個外送員平台啊外送員平台已經過了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3707.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
現在現主席正在戰爭不給的穩定,所以你說的沒要去,這我給你支持政靠,政府先吞,未來再來調整但是這個外送平台Uber的這個說什麼Uber它說7月中要去給我告訴你,你要關心一下,這給去就回不去喔去了就回不去啊像我明明去五個月,沒了回去,再45變40了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
因為這是很嚴肅的問題,尤其在這個緊張的時候你所做的動作、有的沒的,我都支持你但是這個市委要企業已經一半方向在探路,你有什麼態度? |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3737.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
當然在這個時機 所有穩定目的 民心是最大的優先任何一個風吹草動 都會帶動各個心理上的負擔你有要給予允潔的嗎有當然有 在這個時候 不可以因為一點點的新聞就要加重民心的負擔 這絕對不可以我要求我們好 謝謝謝龍介委員質詢 謝謝左院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
3767.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3784.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
我們接下來請鄭正前委員質詢羅志強委員請準備謝主席我想請一下卓文泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3815.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
政委好主委長好今天這一檔國民黨主席鄭麗文會即將赴大陸去做交流那我相信兩岸的關係其實很複雜可是我相信對話一定會比對抗好那兩岸的和平一定會比兩岸衝突來得好我想院長一定認同這樣的狀態 |
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| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3843.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
是 黨務的活動我雖然不公開的批評但是任何的接觸 只要接受院長如果認為對法律對抗好然後兩岸的和平力比兩岸對抗衝突來得好的時候那我們就希望就是卓院長這邊按照一個我們國家行政院長的高度的時候對於在黨跟兩岸的交流的時候都能夠採取更開放更正面的方式去看待 |
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| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3863.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
包括陸委會也一再的依照法律的規定這沒問題那我想說兩岸的交流我覺得很重要那我們其實在努力不管執政或在野我們在努力都是希望說我們的社會能夠更好就是人民能夠得到更好更安生利命的一個環境這應該沒有問題啦 院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
對 安身立命就是不能去是 理解所以我今天我要特別講的幾個跟民生問題有關的東西我希望院長能夠真正去把它給落實下來因為之前有提到說我們8年13萬戶設宅的問題大概會跳票那這沒有問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3909.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
量減少這件事情我們可以理解那我今天要特別提到的是社宅品質的一個問題社宅品質的一個問題那2021年的時候我記得我們的內政部次長當時的次長花敬群現在的住宅中心的董事長他就直接提到說我們製厚所的社宅都必須要符合綠建築、智慧建築還有抗震三大標章這沒有問題嘛對不對院長是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
這部分還是繼續往下堅持下去對不對沒有因為就是花次長現在不在了改朝換代之後就有所改變對不對繼續嘛對社宅的定義怎麼去興建一個社宅以及如何取得社宅我們在方式上會有精進但原則性的問題都是在這些原則都還是繼續進行嗎 |
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3933.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3960.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
那我這邊我要特別提到的一個部分因為其實我在1月19號曾經質詢過一件事情就是說因為我們碰到很多的陳情就是說在高雄很多地方包括仁武這個部分特定的狀態他們在興建社宅的時候當時送省的建材跟實際現場運用的建材是不一樣的當時我要求內政部這邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
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就是一週裡面給我們一個答覆他有答覆沒有問題一週之後沒有答覆我們繼續追的時候呢那諸多東西說他們給了然後他們覺得說卡在國土署卡在內政部我們跟國土署這邊要求他們說卡在諸多東西互相推49天之後的時候我在3月16號 |
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再一次質詢這件事情的時候四天之後給了我答案我們當時其實很清楚的要典方說就是人武社宅的時候他們當時統包的需求書還有他們建材的清冊結果3月20號之後給了之後呢他確實承認了 |
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我們當時送審資料當中的時候是用台製的狀態而且要符合環保標章還有劣建材的一個標準可是實際上現在在使用的是越南代工廠的磁磚 |
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院長你知道這個事情嗎我是不是可以來回應一下我想那個鄭委員在追蹤這個部分追蹤的非常的詳細確實沒有錯我們在3月的時候提供給委員辦公室但是呢我們還是一樣去查了所有的國家住住中心的統包工程的契約規定到目前為止您所指涉的鋪綠建材或者是環保標章還是按照原來的標準是目前是沒有 |
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那如果委員長你如果覺得有按照標準的時候你就很清楚把當時送省的資料提供給本席辦公室這邊來做對照因為我看到你們送送給本席的資料的時候我3月22給本席的資料當中的時候你很清楚的提到我們送省的廠牌是國產的廠牌而且基本上都要符合CNS9737的一個標準對可是呢現場 |
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提供在運用的越南代工廠的廠商你們並沒有符合CNS9737的一個環保標章你們提出來狀態是說用UL美國UL的一個認證可是我要特別講到UL認證的時候呢它基本上是針對低溢出 |
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對空氣污染第一出這樣子的一個揮發性有機化合物的一個這樣的第一出的一個標準並不是按照我們國家所訂定出來的一個環保標章所以表示說我們當時送繩是一套在實際進場當中是一套然後你們現在又同時又用了一個混淆 |
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置換概念的一個方式覺得用醫委的標準就可以用來取代台灣的一個環保論證這完全是兩碼子事情院長你知道這個狀態嗎 |
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報告委員我想您的觀念上面的可能還在澄清一下所謂的綠建材或是環保標章只要他符合這樣的規格的話我們全部都認定而且呢住都中心他的統包工程契約規定的非常的清楚所有曾經進場的這麼多上百以上按照我們國家當中由上面資源化建材環保標章標準的時候很清楚的提到我們的標章適用範圍 |
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建材種類應該要包含國家標準CNS9737的一個相關的標準而且產品使用回收料應該是全部為國內消費使用營造製造或者是加工等產出的過程 |
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參派重量有下列幾種不一樣的狀態重點它是回收料應全部為國內的情況而不是用越南代工廠你可以用來取代台灣的環保標章這是兩件不一樣的事情所以本席在這邊的時候要特別請院長就是 |
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請競訴給本席一個很清楚的狀態我們當時送審的標準是什麼現在現場實際運用的標準是什麼可不可以這很簡單的一個對照標準可不可以請院長這邊承諾多久的時間給本席辦公室一個很清楚的資料因為執行這麼多年的社宅他一定有他一貫的一個作業規範 |
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那是不是有新的標準出現或是我們沒有辦法如果有新的標準就可以給本席一個很清楚的狀態因為我們目前看到的情況的時候沒有新的標準那我剛剛講的那三個原則是當時內政部所公開出來的三個原則如果說我們當時送審的標準是一套現在進場的標準又是一套我覺得裡面可能牽涉到一些人謀不章這希望請院長這邊的時候 |
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能夠全面的針對再建的一個社宅的部分加以一個統籌的一個檢討跟一個監督可不可以報告委員 如果您認為有人模不章的話歡迎移送檢調來辦理我們都完全支持好 那就起碼你們送去建設當時人物社宅就是送省的資料標準給本洗泡完整的資料還有現在進廠的建材標準給本洗泡有沒有辦法 |
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部長有沒有辦法報告委員按照契約上的規定我們應該給你的這個所有的資訊我們一定都會給你沒問題 |
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你們之前在講這個部分的時候覺得說這些認證標準講到什麼各自的問題我覺得這明顯就是希望能夠暗砍一些事情原本用國產的一個環保標章你們不願意提供用出一個UL一個認證完全不一樣的事情一個是產品的環保標章一個是運輸物的一個標準空氣的運輸物標準兩件不同的事情 |
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院長我希望我這邊講得很清楚希望院長能夠對於社宅的品質好好的去把關好不好那這兩個送審的標準很清楚的給我們一套跟進場的建材的標準都一定會有簽收請院長這邊去追究這件事情然後很清楚的給本席一套比照有沒有辦法好 我剛剛部長已經答覆這個標準是一致的那一味的標準也是我們認可的 |
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標準是一致的 可是你們提出來的狀態就不一樣你們給我的標準當中 提出來的狀態是京宮跟山陽的國產的一個認證的一個環保標章結果送進來的現在是越南代工廠的產品怎麼會一樣 國產的品質跟價格跟越南代工廠的怎麼會是一樣 好不好這個部分請院長去追究 全面去 |
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對於目前在建的一個設宅的品質好好的去監督好不好建築規範的部分再請這個內政部如果有應該更說明清楚好謝謝謝謝院長那麼接下來的部分我想請教一下我們地方行政機關的組織準則針對我們的一個行政人員的一個法定員額的編制是幾年前的一個標準院長知不知道 |
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我簡單跟你提到我們目前的標準是用87年的標準財政的收入狀態是用85年的標準已經30年了法定的標準30年了那30年來首先我們看到新竹這邊的時候它有很大的一個變化那麼輪口成長的非常的多所以我們這30年都沒有檢討過這件事情的時候呢讓整個新竹這邊的一個 |
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公務人員他們要服務的人口數比例非常的高所以我在這邊想請教一下院長這邊什麼時候可以啟動檢討針對這樣子的一個法定員額的部分能夠更符合現在實際的狀態我日前在檢討的是我們的編制員額 |
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跟每個到中央地方政府送出的預算原額中間還是有差略有落差的編制原額想辦法這個落差為什麼會產生這個我都理解所以我現在講說的那個法定的編制原額30年沒有改可是因為整個社會變化很大尤其是科學園區附近的時候它不只是人口成長了將近三成以上新竹縣成長更多然後還有很多流動性的人口 |
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就是戶籍不在這邊 可能在這邊工作所以都會讓當地的公務人員產生非常大的一個負擔所以本席希望行政院這邊能夠提出一個新的修正版本在還沒有提出修正版本之前的時候針對新竹市這邊因為我們新竹市這邊的法定上限是1092人公務人員目前只遵用核准禁用的人是1067人 |
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是1067人所以本席這邊希望行政院這邊是不是能夠請行政總署這邊來補足新竹市這邊可禁用的一個公務人員的人數直接先提高到法定上限1092人有沒有辦法 |
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這個我剛剛說的法定的編制原額預算原額跟實際上每年禁用的原額這三個落差是明顯的新竹市的預算原額是有能力去負擔的現在是因為我們卡到了一個准許禁用的原額只有到1067有25個人的差距所以本席希望行政院這邊能夠請行政總書這邊的時候人事總書這邊的時候先讓新竹市的 |
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準許禁用的人額的原額提高到法定上限1092人人事總數會從人口數量結構以及產業發展乃至於地方財政各方面來做衡量是 所以這個部分本席希望在新竹這個部分至少這25個能夠先在法定原額的一個容許的範圍之內先把它提高到這個部分 |
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那麼接下來的部分呢我在想說最近那個跟整個我們行政、立法、司法三權當中有很多的一個衝突啦那最近的一個衝突就包括了就是我們就是中選會的人事的一個任命權的一個問題那我們看到了就是行政院送進了 |
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那個人選進來的時候那麼我們立法院也按照憲政的一個體制讓他通過了通過之後現在行政院這邊似乎不打算要馬上去任命他那不打算任命他的時候我們現在中選會沒有辦法去 |
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順利開會那我想請教當我們立法院已經通過了一個憲政機制通過的中選會的一個人選的時候行政院什麼時候可以把這個 |
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任命權 直接把他給拍立下去委員應該了解原因吧完全了解貴黨黨團要求你們不能投同意票民進黨黨團是全數要求投同意票這個部分 院長我覺得憲政體制目前這邊有幾個狀態 |
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我覺得行政院不能夠按照你的喜歡或不喜歡有憲政體制的運作當立法院人事同意決議通過的時候我希望行政院就能夠遵守就很像針對李徵秀委員的部分我們立法院院長他也很清楚的才是在司法判決還沒有確定之前他該有的權利就應該要給這表示院長非常尊重司法權 |
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不要變成行政權霸凌立法權跟霸凌司法權的一個狀態這是非常可悲的事情立法院信用破產 |
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好 謝謝鄭振前委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢接下來委員質詢之後我們將會休息十分鐘卓院長請喝口水接下來我們請羅志強委員請質詢 |
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有請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備選卓榮好院長請你喝口水消消氣可以喝口水沒關係消消氣還好待會我們不要生氣也不要大聲我們就平心靜氣的來談我們的憲政問題 |
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立法院3月13號依法通過中選會主委被提名人游盈榮委員被提名人李李仲、蘇嘉恆、蘇紫橋的人事同意全案3月17號人事同意公文發給行政院到現在21天那卡住了中學會人事不認名前面質詢我都聽過你的發言我有聽過你一直強調這是誠信問題 |
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背信嘛做人要講誠信沒錯吧對不對立法院國民黨立法院黨團答應你民進黨的所有的中選會的人士我們通通要蓋同意結果蓋了不同意這就叫背信對不對如果啦對不對這個邏輯中間要有一塊不能這樣講不能這樣講來我舉個例子 |
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院長你邀請我參加活動我答應你結果沒出席是不是我背信這個是沒錯吧對於整個活動的影響跟你個人未來在被邀約的時候別人的考慮我是講我啦我就背信了嘛你邀請我參加活動我沒答應結果沒去你說我背信你覺得對我公平嗎如果這樣如果你沒答應我當然沒有辦法邀請非常謝謝院長那我們就回到中選會的人事同意權案 |
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我想請問 籌備期間的黨團幹部是誰國民黨黨團幹部是誰 請問你知道嗎也跟我溝通過嘛 我是書記長嘛你那時候的答案我知道你當時的回覆是蠻正面的我有正面啊 怎麼正面告訴我白紙黑字拿出來 怎麼個正面啊不是白紙黑字我說歡迎民進黨提出人選等於是我今天 歡迎你 卓鴻泰你舉辦宴會 等於我要出席啦你還說我們提出的人選相當有誠意 |
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我有說你提出的那些像有誠意拿白紙黑字出來嘛來沒關係來 stop 這邊 stop 一下主張者證這是最起碼的我們的論事的一個標準我沒有辦法主張你的誠信啊那就好嘛我羅志強有沒有誠信的人讓大家社會來評判啊但是你要說我答應了你要拿出證據來我非常高興至少今天總統太平洋在那邊說是羅志強答應的啊是嗎 |
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我們在拜訪的時候 你說過在現場你說過 我們的人士提出的名單是蠻有誠意的院長你長得實在很帥啊你長得很帥我也欣賞你所以代表今天提名了人事同意權的時候院長你進來我一定要求全部國民黨黨團投給最帥的卓榮泰是這個意思嗎更何況我要告訴你喔民進黨提的人選坦白講除了游盈隆以外我通通不認識 |
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我怎麼樣去跟你講說民進黨人選很棒貴黨推薦的人選我也不認識啊非常好 都不認識嘛但是基於這樣的互信我們就提出來我也沒有去問他的黨籍沒有問他的政治立場沒有問他的政治事件的選擇回到一件事情啊 你早已經說過沒有答應了嘛來 那請問誰答應 傅坤祺答應了嗎黨團跟黨團之間有黨團的交涉交涉有答應嗎 誰答應黨團的幹部就是我啊 書記長啊 |
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你們要求行政院正式發文給你各黨團才依照那個時間跟內容提出你們的人選出來這個就是一個意識表示的行為這意識表示要答應啊 |
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如果你要這樣講 政治要談到什麼程度拜託 院長我先跟你釐清所有的但你們現在怎麼去跨過台灣海峽怎麼跨過太平洋去跟人家談如果貴黨是這種態度的話沒關係啦 我告訴你太可怕了沒有答應的事情你形容說我們必須答應然後形容說今天沒有投叫做背信沒關係 社會公派社會公派 對可是我回頭講一件事情今天我要問第二個問題 |
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所以顯然你也告訴誰答應嘛那我問你按照什麼法律來中選會組織法中選會成員由行政院院長提名立法院同意或任命請問是哪一條法律如果你要這樣講我只要一句話就好了如果你今天是這種態度我任命 |
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我認命被騙了我認命被騙了我認命被騙了你們就是要欺騙行政院吧第一個你的心靈多麼的強健跟脆弱我管不到 |
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我沒有答應你的事情然後你跟我講說我騙了你然後說你現在願意被騙願意認命那我告訴你我甚至鼓掌你啊今天你心裡這麼脆弱沒答應你都認為說今天我答應你真的被騙你還認為說被騙這件事你願意認命中美兩國都知道國民黨的態度是如此不要講到中美兩國去了啦 |
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今天連立法院你自己背信有沒有辦法去按照你自己的誠信標準講話你都做不到你自己都講了主張者正你最後講羅志強沒有答應就最後被羅志強背信 |
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當初你們要求行政院正式發文我們也發文了就按照那個人數那個內容那個時間請問啊請問啊不要強辯今天哪一個行政院提名的人士哪一個今天總統提名的人士不用發文到立法院你講給我聽 |
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發文的內容是請貴黨團推薦名單來照你們的意見發文請問你歷來立法院行政院請各黨團推薦人選哪一個不用發文推薦的人數也都講了推薦人數都講你們各推薦推薦人數等於是今天要同意真的這個沒有用我現在只要求一件事情我能不能要求一件事情如果大家願意補足誠信那我們補足程序 |
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我都沒答應你跟我講補足誠信今天如果張三根理事求婚他沒答應他他說我都跟你求婚了我公文發到你家了你沒有答應我你背信你現在請補足誠信馬上嫁給我所以現在全國人民都會知道我們之間的溝通除了白紙黑紙之外全部都是白紙待會我拜託立法院黨團新任書記林佩祥 |
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發個公文給我們行政院好不好請行政院卓榮泰院長今天兌現非核家園的諾言不然就下台辭職公文到了以後你沒辭職就要背信我會回答啊我現在不是回答你啦你們的回答就是按照時間提出人選啊院長我告訴你啊我們提人選你們提人選本來到立法院也不是羅志強同意就能過的 |
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也不是韓國瑜同意就能過的好啦好啦那我知道以後怎麼跟立法院溝通了我告訴你謝謝你啊你這種態度不會造成兩院我知道我們提出這樣的方式之後你們也肯定社會也認為這是善意的第一步結果善意的第一步今天淪落到這種地步善意的第一步發文等於同意等於一定要通過我知道你的善意喔真的 |
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如泰山之重 人家承受不起啊真的承受不起啊 照你這種方式路邊隨便發文去請人家嫁給他 通通都要答應你這比喻不能不累啦你這比喻不能不累啦 院長我告訴你下一個今天為什麼詐騙這麼嚴重我要問問你就是因為這樣子啊就是因為你這個樣子嘛就是因為你們這樣子在詐騙這麼嚴重沒關係 詐騙問題你要扯來 我想問你下一個問題這個問題我們大家社會公判但我只做一個很簡單的結論 |
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國民黨立法院黨團從來沒有同意今天民進黨送來的人士必須通過 |
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第二點國民黨立法院黨團是按照國民黨立法院所有的委員大家共同的意志今天認為民進黨國民黨民主黨提名單當中游銀龍他是一個民進黨提名的主委我們認為他失任所以我們投下同意票另外三位我們認為不失任所以投下不同意票那接下來我也跟各位講一件事情只要中選會以目前來講的話請問還有多少委員在任八位 |
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目前啦 加上四個通過的嘛 四位嘛加上四個通過就是八個嘛 對不對八個裡面幾個是民進黨提名啦 前面那四個就是民進黨提名是啦 查查看啦 去查查看啦那我現在問你齁 李慶紅都說過啦 中選會幾個人可以開會 |
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通常過半就開會啦五個人啊現在四個人沒辦法開會啊沒辦法開會今天選舉如果選務耽擱的話請問院長這個責任是誰要負擔所以我說我來補足程序我另外提三個人 |
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那請大院再來行使同意權你現在已經通過四個人進去4加18數學好一點就可以開會了剩下三個你可以繼續進去這是你們精心計算的一場騙局又來騙局了院長真的拜託你啊公告一個新的法律以後今天求婚不用對方同意 |
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不要再用這種不倫不類的講法在立法院的殿堂裡面民主殿堂裡面談好的事情都能夠說沒有白寫黑字談好兩個字有談要好啊 |
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你也曾經是黨團幹部我也知道黨團幹部的辛苦我直接告訴你啦你所有東西根本不合邏輯 為什麼第一個你們有談 沒有人同意什麼叫背心 問號一第二個我要告訴你本人當國民黨立法院黨團書記長非常知道我的分寸這分寸是什麼我今天就是一個協商的功能我沒有立場代表黨團答應事情嘛這麼簡單嘛 |
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因為立法院國民黨立法院黨團我只是選出來服務大家的幹部請問今天你們來把公文發到國民黨立法院黨團就等於國民黨立法院代表所有黨團成員答應你天下焉有事理啊 院長委員你在這裡如果真的這種翻臉不認帳態度我也沒有話說翻臉不認帳他有帳可認嗎今天你把一個人家沒有答應的事情硬要灌在羅志強頭上的時候什麼叫翻臉不認帳 |
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什麼叫翻臉 你要說我翻臉不這樣起碼把帳單拿出來嘛你也剛剛有講我沒有答應啊你又講我沒有答應啊我不用拿帳單 我只看這張臉翻臉不能照這張臉就好大家彼此看臉啦 |
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彼此看臉不要這樣子把這個當兒戲說真的大家在談的時候一次兩次三次當然不是在媒體公開這樣來談一次兩次三次我從八月底九月三號十月十八號談了幾次日期我都記得清清楚楚繼續 |
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你質詢啊 你質詢我啊我沒有質詢 我再回答你日期我都記得清清楚楚什麼時候談 發生什麼事情請問 哪一年 哪一月 哪一日羅志祥 傅坤琪還是任何人答應你那為什麼要拖到十月底 為什麼因為我答應在你們新主席選出來之後再來談你們也答應院長 誰答應啊 總要有一個人吧名字見不得光啊 |
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你剛剛又說我沒答應那好嘛可能是別人這個所謂的樂組代表答應了也許啊把名字講出來啊你要有點承擔好不好我承擔什麼我答應了什麼我不願意講你要有點承擔大家都知道我這邊公開授權你講啊 |
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我讓你講啊因為羅志強答應你我馬上辭立委拿出證據好不好今天羅志強拿出證據羅志強答應你你不會辭院長我也不會要求你啊因為你從來不會做這件事我已經講過很多次了在這個國會的殿堂上面誠信才是最重要的可是今天我看到院長你今天就是什麼白不染黑嘛 |
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白不染黑嘛我沒有答應你的事情是你說一定要白紙黑字啊白紙黑字啊是沒有白紙黑字但是如果翻臉不認帳沒有白紙黑字就不算帳以後談什麼談啊謝謝你啊謝謝你啊真的謝謝你啊 |
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這樣都可以叫做翻臉不認賬我剛如果有路人假憑空說你欸 總裁院長你說答應給我五千萬你不給我那你總裁院長說你白紙黑紙拿給我啊我說你翻臉不認賬啊這樣啊我們有沒有跟委員說過請國民黨黨團推薦兩人請國民黨黨團推薦兩個等於國民黨黨團就要搭進移民進黨提名的四個有這種事情嗎那時候就是一個 |
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談的就是這個樣子啊如果你認為各個黨團在這裡不能用這種談話的方式來形成一個共識大家來全力做的話 |
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你今天不想要今天任命人士你講那麼多沒有法律的理由我不想為什麼要提你的同名喔今天在立法院議員堂上你連個證據都拿不出來我羅志祥今天從政到現在最後就是誠信喔 這麼簡單我不想讓中選會正常運作我今天答應的事情我沒做到我今天會站出來 承擔如果我不想讓中選會正常運作我就提七個讓你反對就好了嘛最後我告訴院長啦結論很簡單嘛 |
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你都剛剛前面說我沒有答應又說不忍心公開我不知道你自己邏輯要怎麼圓我說過了我不要再重複因為這個是 |
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做人還有基本的一點分寸跟把握我不需要在這一直強負重複好不好兩院之間能夠代表兩院談話的就是兩個人那我談好了我希望中選會能夠正常的運作所以請你們推薦大家一起通過否則我不需要這樣子做我明明知道你們不會同意的話那我不會讓人數人通過嘛 |
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在你的國語辭典裡面 誠信兩個字完全改的啊只要一方說了 提了公文 走出訴求背方就必須答應 背方沒有做到就是背信我恭喜你啊 教育部趕快 教育委員會才出來教育部趕快改國語辭典啦你有空回去看看當時整個媒體對你們太重最後一句話啦我真的是佩服大夥趕快說國會官員可以說謊在這邊就公然說 |
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好 謝謝羅志強委員的質詢 謝謝主委員長跟相關部會長的背景 謝謝我們即將休息在休息之前要謝謝王宏威委員 謝謝陳永康委員謝謝王振旭我們一起陪同我們執行上半場的參與上半場的市政總質詢 謝謝我們休息之後我們再繼續進行會議好 謝謝 現在休息 |
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好 報告約會 我們現在繼續開會接下來我們請李貞秀委員請質詢 |
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主席麻煩有請行政院卓榮泰院長內政部劉世芳部長以及邱委會邱準正主委上台謝謝麻煩請卓院長內政部陸委會備詢泰院長 |
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我今天步上這個台子我必須要跟院長表示是基於對於院長主持大院議事秩序的尊重與接受我今天步上這個台子但容許我先向韓院長以及大院表達我目前心裡面真正的想法 |
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站在對面的李貞秀女士她並沒有依法放棄中國的戶籍跟國籍她完全不符合兩岸人民關係條例與我們國籍法當中明文的規定落實對中華民國的單一效忠因此她沒有辦法成為一個具有合法資格的中華民國的國會議員 |
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這個責任是在中國政府不是在台灣政府任何人他只要有中國的國籍他必須接受中華人民共和國的憲法中華人民共和國的反分裂國家法中華人民共和國的情報法反間諜法以及國家安全法他就附有 |
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必須推動統一的義務更附有必須為中華人民共和國收集情報的義務然而要當做一個合法的中華民國的國會議員他必須嚴守國家的機密嚴守國家的安全因此任何一個人資格上發生異議他不是違反中華人民共和國的法律 |
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他就是要遵守中華民國的法律去為他收集情報否則他也會違反了台灣的法律中華民國的法律必須確保國家的安全不能洩露國家的機密這兩項是違背的沒有一個正常人可以做到這樣的工作所有完備所有的程序之後是具有我中華民國國會的意願的 |
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立法委員才能在這個大院的議堂裡面正依照憲法行使他的執行權那如果沒有辦法完備這個程序他當然不是中華民國的立法委員就沒有權利來行使憲法的權利那麼行政院也沒有義務來接受這樣的答話 |
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因此行政官員在此時向院長表示最大的一個立場就是行政院所有的首長沒有義務接受一位不具備有合法資格的中華民國的國會議員的任何個人在議會當大院裡面來進行備詢這是我們對於憲法的忠誠遵守跟我們必須負起的責任以上跟院長報告 |
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本席在這裡提出說明向議員說明立法委員在開會的時候有向行政院長及各部會首長質詢之權此為憲法基於民意政治以及責任政治之原理所謂的制度性之設計 |
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希望行政院長及各部會首長能夠依據相關規定尊重本院立法委員的諮詢權我們先來休息 |
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請行政院卓榮泰院長內政部劉世芳部長以及陸委會邱垂政主委上台 |
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謝謝韓院長的協助我想卓榮泰先生也是雙標啦只想要鞏固自己的票源不好意思現在這個我可以算程序發言嗎暫時我想要發表一下已經開始計時間了 |
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李委員已經開始計時計時開始OK好那就是卓榮泰先生整個行政團隊都雙標他們只想鞏固自己的票源不想顧全國人民的福祉蔡政府時期陸配單選 |
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就職從來沒有任何問題換成那個賴政府卻開始極盡刁難帶頭霸凌歧視陸配就問40%的賴總統憑什麼跟60%的蔡總統唱反調 |
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行政院還要繼續違法雙標嗎民進黨賴政府這樣的態度對待一個已經依照程序依法宣誓取得完整職權的立法委員 |
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依照憲法第57條行政院對立法院負責在中華民國的憲政體制下行政院的具體義務應該接受監督被質詢可見卓內閣拒絕接受人民監督民進黨口口聲聲說愛國民愛台灣結果是一個雙標黨只會造謠聲勢 |
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過自己喜歡的法案自己不喜歡的就不附屬不執行不顧人權自己的府內有被霸凌的同仁也不敢吭聲一句話不顧民意只編列自己想要編列的預算這樣踐踏民意操弄司法還有資格成為執政黨嗎 |
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本席很遺憾行政院如今用這樣的態度來面對質詢民進黨暴力踐踏法治壓制異議封殺監督今天不只是針對李正秀更是想要對所有新住民發出訊號新住民陸配在國會的聲音可以被否定可以被消失陸配只配當二等公民嗎 |
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陸配只配當二等公民嗎本席在此要請行政院尊重立法院尊重多元社會尊重陸配參政權民進黨踐踏國會讓陸配成為二等公民 |
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我現在要正式來質詢的那個議題詐騙犯罪已經成為台灣最大的物國神山卓院長一個比意識形態更要認真面對的現實不是批盜陸配是台灣持續增加的詐騙 |
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警政署數據擺在這裡113年詐騙財損502億一天被詐騙超過1億元114年更誇張財損直接衝到893億一天被騙超過2億 |
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每天400多人受害而且案件數一年超過16萬件你們執政下詐騙不是減少全面失控年年創新高青少年犯罪七成五都是詐欺整個世代被拖進去這不只是治安問題已經是國安危機 |
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你們行政院說要打仗預算從13.9億暴增到73.5億直接增加5.6倍但人民看到的是什麼不是越打越傻你們 |
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越打越炸越打越嚴重不是越打越少是越打越炸越打越嚴重卓院長民進黨已經讓詐騙變成一座物國神山了我要請問這73億是拿去打炸還是養炸再來依法成立的新住民發展署本席要問還要拖多久 |
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劉部長你們一直強調依法行政維護國安本席要問依新住民發展署組織法在本法公布後的三個月內就應該要成立新住民發展署從去年12月公布到今天已經四個月了整整拖了四個月有在依法行政嗎內政部可以這樣罔顧新住民權益嗎 |
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還有政府宣誓要蓋社宅結果上個會期從13萬戶跳票對外縮水成4萬戶明明住都中心已經收購了大量土地還公然緩稱蓋社宅沒地把社宅興建和性質條件完全不同的包租代管混為一談 |
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請問劉部長 賴清德政府選前承諾是在騙選票嗎選後打假球 政策跳票沒有居住正義的住都中心人事費暴增 轉型酬庸中心了嗎 |
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住都中心讓社宅空著不給住民眾看得到吃不到證明住都中心管理成效不彰然而住都中心的人事費用連連增加從114年到115年四年間暴增超過兩倍現在住都中心少蓋那麼多社宅 |
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每年的薪水獎金還可以不斷加碼所以現在住都中心已經變成坐領甘心的酬庸中心了嗎 |
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現在請大家要好好的看看行政院如何的雙標跟霸凌踐踏我們台灣多元民主的聲音行政院口口聲聲說本席不符合單一忠誠然而曾秀上任至今在各個議案的投票中有哪一個投票不是為了台灣好有哪一個議案違反了忠誠義務 |
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新興預算動資我同意授權簽署軍購發價書我也同意人事同意權我按照職權行使國事論壇我也發表了對額略等重大社會議題的擔憂哪一點不符合忠誠與中華民國的義務或者只要不符合民進黨黨意就是對國家不忠誠 |
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請卓榮泰院長好好想一想再問劉部長呂秀蓮前副總統已經說過本席依據我國國籍法取得國籍後即自動上市中華人民共和國的國籍不必特別申請立場不同不能立場不同認定的標準就不一樣請問 |
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整個桌內各團隊你們認同呂全副總統說的話嗎劉部長你們到現在都不敢上台來面對這個問題所以我現在當你們不回答就是默認 |
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不敢回答本席再次呼籲民進黨口口聲聲說會保障所有國人權益身為執政黨就應該與陸配站在一起而不是霸凌陸配蔡政府時期陸配 |
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已經有五位村里長還有一位南投縣的議員同樣都是陸配他們從單選到就任甚至到卸任從來沒有過任何忠誠跟法治釋法性的問題可是今天賴政府40%的少數總統 |
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公然跟817的蔡總統唱訪調行政院還要繼續違法雙標嗎在中間中華民國憲法沒有任何變動過再來 劉部長你們民進黨的雙標真的沒有極限 |
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去年內政部對全台五名的陸配村里長發出解職令跟全國三萬名村里長一樣這五名村里長也是受在地選民所托目前都還沒有被解職只有一位村長被解職也在訴訟成功所以目前這五名村里長都還是合法的村里長但是去年內政部違法濫權 |
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擅自扣下這五名陸配村里長本該領到的年終慰問金我跟這些村里長都需要內政部劉部長給一個答覆給一個解釋劉部長雙標擴權解釋法律對自己人寬容大度對意見不同的人就極盡苛責模糊法紀是這樣對嗎 |
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可見劉女士根本不想接受全民監督只想躲在別人背後這樣還有部長的風範嗎?民進黨政府整天喊看中保台自己內部每天爆共諜卓院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
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民進黨現在是把共諜當標籤在亂貼嗎說本席會竊取國家機密請問證據在哪拿不出來就是赤裸裸的政治抹黑更粉刺的是真正抓到的共諜在哪裡就在你們民進黨自己人裡面啦從總統府之役外交體系的助理 |
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民進黨幹部立法院助理地方民代助理到現在最新爆出的朱正琦一路從總統府行政院體系民進黨中央到立法院地方民代系統整條線通通出問題一個一個爆一層一層破你們嘴巴喊看中保台結果是什麼嘴巴看中身體親中嘴上反中實極養共賺紅錢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
8168.85 |
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現在總統府副秘書長的愛將朱正琦都被涉嫌都被報涉嫌方派立法院機敏資料提供給對岸出了事馬上切割請問這種政治責任是這樣切一切就沒事嗎這樣不用負責嗎國安誰來守護你們到底是在抓共諜還是在養共諜 |
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對在野黨沒有證據就抹黑扣帽子對自己人一堆案件一個接一個罷卻輕輕選擇犯下快速切割這不是雙標什麼才是雙標請做內閣團隊誠實面對你們不是守護國安是連自己內部都守不住的破口政府民進黨還要繼續用看中保台來騙國人嗎 |
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感謝立法院同僚最後我要感謝所有立法院的同僚共同捍衛中華民國憲法感謝這段期間所有支持徵秀的立法院同僚還有不畏強權一起捍衛中華民國憲法的各界先進們 |
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我也要感謝柯文哲創辦的台灣民眾黨以及黃國昌主席確實的做到了多元包容把所有真心愛台灣的新住民當自己人堅定的信守承諾讓歷史上第一個陸配立委走進國會最後我也要感謝韓國瑜院長展現了立法院大家長的高度 |
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和溫度堅定保障了所有立法委員的問政權益也謝謝韓院長在我第一次國師論壇時的溫情鼓勵本席要再一次強調尊秀唯一效忠中華民國 |
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8290.763 |
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我會堅定捍衛台灣的民主自由行使中華民國立法委員的職權今天本席葬在這裡就是台灣民主的驕傲我們一起擦亮了台灣民主的精緻招牌 |
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| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
在此尊秀要邀請所有的新住民陸配弟兄姊妹也拜託所有善良的台灣新家人我們一起來阻止這個毀憲論證的賴政府繼續惡搞大家一起來成就一個更好的中華民國交給下一代一個更好的台灣謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
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辛苦了李貞秀委員辛苦你謝謝李貞秀委員的質詢謝謝你有關李貞秀委員的質詢要請行政院書面答覆列入記錄並刊登公報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
8362.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
接下來我們有吳佩奕委員 武麗華委員 林怡菁委員 陳盈委員質詢均與書面提出 也請行政院列入記錄 刊登公報在接下來本日最後一位委員 請林思明委員請質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
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好 謝謝院長 院長我請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長好 林委員好 院長早 院長我想針對李征秀委員剛才的這個質詢 |
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我想我也想表達幾句話其實依法行政是我們民主法治國家最高的指導原則對於李申秀委員這個他的身份的一個疑慮我想院長你是本身也是法律人我想我們在野黨不斷的強調 |
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兩岸人民關係條例是我們國籍法的特別法是優先適用的以徵求委員他的身份他已經取得中華民國的身份證也已經主動宣誓放棄中國的國籍而且他的立法委員的資格也經過中選會的確認也給了他當選的證書 |
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所以從整個程序上來看我們完全看不出來他有什麼道理行政院竟然認為說他不是立法委員他不具這樣的一個身份所以我想一個國家如果可以這樣子由行政部門恣意的去解釋我們的法律 |
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這個不是法治 反而是人治所以我還是在這邊衷心的期盼行政院我覺得這個第十一屆的立法院以來行政院屢次做出選擇性的執法 |
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而沒有完全依照法律的精神法律的制度去執行相關的法律這點我要予以提出譴責也感覺到遺憾我只講兩句話依照國際法就職前需要放棄 |
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對 中國國籍放棄這兩個字是動作就職後一年內要完成這完成是相對條件都沒有達成中選會是你的行政院下的一個機關他都已經認定說他已經放棄所以取得中華民國他沒有辦法佐證他有放棄放棄是一個動作用個人的意志來去表達我想這個非常的不適當 |
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個人意志沒有辦法抵抗中華人民共和國憲法我現在再提到一個這個您這個違憲違法的一個問題啊院長立法院三讀通過TPAS相關等三讀通過TPAS等718億的新興計畫啦到底要不要執行我只懇求立法院不要選擇性的用決議來割裂中央政府總預算這兩天大雨 |
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我們的災損金不能用二倍金不能用這都是事實啊院長為什麼不一次把它通過呢你去問主席總署你去問我想啊我不曉得你可能啊你當院長連這個你都不知道這個啊二倍金如果是災損的話所有的公共預算都可以挪用的 |
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所以你講這句話 你講說二倍金不能用但是可以用其他的公寓預算可以用但是這一次我們看嘛這718億過了你卻表示說什麼這個立法院此公決案實無前例且暫時同意動之不符合憲法與預算法的規定院長你大錯特錯怎麼會你又是把個人的意志凌駕於憲法之上呢 |
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這個法律寫那麼清楚啊根據預算法54條第一項第二款的規定支出的部分新興資本支出及新增計劃需時本年度預算完成審議後時的動資但依第88條規定辦理或經立法院同意不在此限所以立法院已經三讀通過啦你可以不執行啊稅務沒有通過 |
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這個三讀跟預算的三讀是不一樣的程序 |
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你至少付尾了在審議了那過程當中來不及時間把它抽出來這個還有的話可以這樣依許連付尾都沒有整個預算還在包裹裡面還冰箱裡面個人意志的展現你一直強調說什麼這個只先過2%啦98%沒有過這個違憲 |
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但是我們看不出來憲法如果立法院再做一個決議立法院三讀通過的法律案的預算案你可以不執行如果立法院再經過三讀說全部其他都可以用當然都可以用啦現在只有百分之二可以用這是事實啦這個是憲政的基本的一個問題啦您這樣子不執行我覺得 |
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我要提醒你啦我們沒有不執行我們是將在據理力爭全部執行而不是不執行我覺得你口口聲聲說要跟立法院和解要跟韓院長要求什麼總預算要審我覺得你根本沒有誠信如果這樣沒有誠信中選會我就被騙了我要講什麼誠信我要跟你們講什麼誠信是你們沒有辦法誠信中選會被騙了你知道嗎 |
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這個我沒有參與 我不能回答你我們會不會咖啡 我好好講給你聽剛才羅志強委員已經講得很清楚我可以 會後我們有時間我講給你聽我想這個不在我們今天討論的題目我還是要告訴你我們行政院如果現在完全不顧民生不執行這筆救命的預算還在搞政治算計您個人的意志凌駕於法律之上我覺得你對不起台灣的全體人民 |
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我們一起來對得起國家的法律跟預算好不好我們一起來面對國家的法律跟預算好 院長我第二題問你我一直關心我們新竹縣的發展 |
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有關於竹科三期還有台灣知識經濟園區我在上次的總諮詢也問你我想新竹縣是台灣的科技心臟地方的發展不能一再被延宕我從上一屆第十屆當立法委員到了現在第十一屆我每個會期不斷的在質詢這個題目 |
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我想在這個第十屆第一會期的第五次會議我在院會總諮詢的時候我當時跟當時的行政院蘇院長及內政部徐國勇部長來詢問然後又經過了陳建仁院長與林佑昌部長到現在的卓院長跟劉世芳部長在院會我總共七次的總諮詢為新竹縣來請命請禁訴通過 |
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當時徐國勇部長他信誓旦旦的跟我表示他在諮詢台表示以跟楊縣長談過非常了解一定會依法處理而且對於很多建設站在政府的立場尤其行政院都已經核定通過一定是樂觀其成的會用最快的速度來通過讓新竹縣跟新竹市能夠軸線翻轉 |
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到了陳建仁院長陳院長也回覆本席政府支持任何一個可以使台灣高科技產業興盛的計畫去年就去年的10月10號院會總執行本席一樣的詢問院長這個台灣知識經濟園區以及新竹科學園區三級那麼也跟院長跟劉部長來就教當時院長您回覆本席桃竹苗大細股是我們 |
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進度最快的六大產業的生活區我們一定會按照速度甚至加速來完成因為他必須跟大南方新矽谷兩個合成一體帶動台灣的一個雙引擎共同發展那劉部長也回覆本席 |
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這個內政部的了解縣政府正在辦理可行性評估作業預計今年這個年底就可以完成了我們看一下這個投影片 |
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在我們內政部的都審小組在審議中也審議了好幾次,我每次都要去參與但是沒有進度,每次都一樣的議題在討論所以我是不是請內政部 |
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我們最近就會繼續召開專案小組的一個會議來進行相關議題的一個討論那這個後續就依程序繼續走下去 |
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所以行政院是全力支持?這個已經在收斂了,相關的問題基本上已經釐清,那縣府已經回回來,所以我們接下來就趕快進行專案小組會議我們這六個產業生活區,我們都有專案在做處理,核定之前當然努力,核定之後有專案在做處理我會請國科會或是國化會也進來 |
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一起在做這個整個投資大矽谷的案子當中特別注意到您剛剛說的這一塊這兩個產業園區 好 謝謝院長 |
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好 謝謝院長剛才您的回答也非常明確院長 關於竹科三期這個計畫先講竹科三期在3月31號我們最後一次專案小組會議已經開過會了第六次的專案小組會議楊縣長也親自率縣府的團隊參加會後依照我們知道的大概情況整個委員開會的結果也蠻順利的 |
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所以是不是本案我想了解一下請部長回答好了到底說我們國土署這一次的專案小組開會開完之後是不是就會在這個整個會診相關的意見修正之後然後就會送我們都委會的大會來審議會拖太久了啦 |
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謝謝委員的關心我想委員追蹤這個進度我們也非常了解包括楊縣長也有到內政部國督署來開會目前我們所了解的部分就是請縣政府跟經濟部按照土增條例來召開聽證會這個聽證會就是要能夠把民眾有反對意見的部分能夠做一下比較好的溝通溝通結束之後會按照原來的計畫看要不要修正修正過後再送我們的小組或是大會來審議 |
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部長你剛講要開聽證會是指台灣知識經濟園區那是台灣知識經濟園區至於柯山現在都土增這個小組也都已經考研會了這次再送回小組會議然後再送大會 |
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對 所以我現在只針對科三先問你啦我想這個聽證會目前會開嘛經濟部也在這個手辦經濟部也知道 他們有到會但是這一次針對竹科三期我們現在虛地那麼急啊竹科三期這一次是不是請部長我想做一個政策的宣示啦 院長你都同意啊 畢竟這麼多的院長大家對我的一個承諾是不是這一次就可以送大會了啊 |
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你做政策的宣示嘛否则我觉得这个皮球踢来踢去的每次又大会然后又踢回来 |
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人民苦等30年了一塊地沒有那麼地盡其力沒有那麼多久的時間去等部長第一個要把這個程序完成包括聽證會是不是一次就完成還是後續還有聽證會再來就跟土地的問題土地徵收是不是大家意見都能夠趨於一致應該就是在這個會議當中進行多項的討論你願意做政策的宣示說完全支持這個 |
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竹科三期以及台灣知識經濟園區迅速的 盡速的把它審議完成嗎你做一個政策的選擇 我是做這個要求喔OK啦 OK 好 謝謝那最後一個問題喔 請那個 院長我對這個柯爾惠最近補助一部電影叫做那張照片裡的我們 |
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這部電影總共客委會博助了5700萬拍攝這部片子背景設定以1977年的中壢事件為主軸最終票房非常的慘淡僅收回905萬 |
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我們補助了5700萬只收回了905萬這個扣除跟電源的分潤回收的經費根本不到成本的10%如果沒有透過包廠關廠的話票房可能更慘淡 |
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本席辦公室也徵詢了一些課宇老師的看法他們的評價都很差認為沒有凸顯中立世界客家人的精神只是強調畫面唯美但敘事不清總體來說就是以講客家話為由來讓課委會編列預算之意呢課委會也沒有人出來檢討承擔相關的責任讓納稅人的錢白白打水漂 院長 |
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納稅人的錢可以這樣白白打水漂嗎各位你在補助這部片子的時候我想當時楊昶正主委說要拍這部電影我就告訴他這部電影其實你要打造一個客家人的精神中立事件跟客家人有什麼關係你這個根本就是政治的一個操作所以你現在結果看出來花了那麼多錢沒有達到一個推展客家文化的一個效果這要不要檢討 |
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跟委員報告我想我對於這部片子也是這樣的票房我也是不滿意那對於這個內容的敘事我想我們也有檢討的空間 |
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這樣子的內容其實我們也是不滿意沒有真正的直指核心不是在你任內決定的我想這個我們都必須要承擔我們都必須要面對來檢討但是我必須要說這個中立事件對於台灣來說對客家來說確實是一個 |
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非常重要的一個事件但是你話虎不成反日前徐信良現場講抱怨說還原民主歷史 |
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好,謝謝林志明委員執行,謝謝卓院長、各相關部會所長、北巡,謝謝 |
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抱怨会我们内政组的资讯已经寻打完毕谢谢再次谢谢卓院长及相关部会所长列席的答询现在做以下决定下次的会议进行外交及国防组织询另外依照协商结论本次会议我们不再处理临时提案再次谢谢王洪威委员陈永康委员范云委员吴佩义委员 |
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王安祥委員 劉淑冰委員 李貞秀委員以及王貞秀委員一起參與我們今天的諮詢我們現在散會 |