| IVOD_ID |
17317 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17317 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T08:39:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T13:41:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:01:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddbbd6dedb4516fb0ff8229cb69af00fba7a9d5466ed3f814063f2d480079896d15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就「清明連續假期疏運方案規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、審查委員許智傑等22人擬具「引水法第六條條文修正草案」案。【本次會議僅進行詢答】【4月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:39:02 - 13:41:00 |
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好 我們現在開始開會我們初期的委員已經到達法定人數現在開會我們請議事人員宣讀上次的議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第三次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年三月二十五日星期三上午九時至十二時十六分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員萬美玲等十四人列席委員鐘家斌等八人列席官員國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹等 |
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主席黃州級委員建豪報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定邀請國家通訊傳播委員會列席報告業務概況並備質詢本日會議由國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹報告後既有委員外美林等16人提出質詢均經代理主任委員陳崇樹及相關人員分別予以答覆 |
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決定一報告及詢答完畢二委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請國家通訊傳播委員會盡速以書面答覆散會宣讀完畢好由於我們在場的委員我們還有其他委員還沒有到所以我們的議事錄就暫不處理現在我們介紹列席的 |
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我們交通部的各位同仁我們首先介紹交通部陳世凱部長運燕所黃世勳所長我們鐵道局楊正軍局長我們公路局的林福山局長我們高速公路局的陳文瑞局長我們觀光署的陳玉秀署長 |
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我們港港局的葉協榮局長我們民航局的何淑萍局長我們中央氣象署的呂國成署長我們台鐵的鄭光源董事長我們港務公司的周永輝董事長中華郵政王國才董事長 |
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我們桃園機場的楊維福董事長我們臺灣高鐵的史喆董事長我們中華航空的高興煌董事長我們中華電信的簡志成董事長還有林榮氏總經理我們陽明海運的林明輝總經理 |
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我們內政部警政署航空警察局的林建宏局長另外我們這裡還有國安部作戰及計劃參謀次長室的作戰準備處的吳東達處長好台北市政府捷運工程局的主秘王君慧王主秘謝謝新北市政府捷運工程局的王義祥副局長 |
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我們桃園市捷運工程局的曾榮英副局長台中市捷運工程局的黃順秋副局長我們台南市捷運工程處的莊惠中處長我們高雄市政府捷運工程局的王正一副局長我們今天的會議是進行交通部的 |
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列席報告業務概況以及就我們親民連續假期的輸運方案規劃的專題報告以及飲水法的修正草案的審查好那我們現在就請提案委員來說明提案要旨不在好那我們現在就請列行機關報告首先我們邀請交通部程式改部長報告 |
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主席各位委員大家好今天受邀來交通委員會報告交通部過去一年的成果以及未來施政的重點深感榮幸我要先感謝各位委員長期以來的支持與指導 |
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交通的工作看似繁瑣涵蓋了陸海空觀光郵政以及氣象對人民來說最在意的就是每天出門能不能夠安全能不能夠更便利能不能夠在遇到風災跟地震的時候交通體系能夠撐得住國家的運作可不可以不中斷也因此交通不只是基礎建設更是民生產業國家韌性的關鍵系統 |
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1744.605 |
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1757.821 |
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面對數位轉型極端氣候高齡化等等的挑戰交通部秉持人本交通智慧安全的核心價值推動六大施政主軸以下我就重點向各位委員報告 |
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1759.235 |
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1784.286 |
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首先我們的優先任務是要讓道路更安全114年的交通事故死亡人數比起112年我們的道安基準年同期來相比減少了165人而且呈現逐年趨勢的下滑跟下降這顯示了我們正在逐漸地顯現我們交通改革的成效 |
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1785.458 |
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1798.863 |
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到去年底我們不止完成了停止線後退的這個修法並且完成了2682處入口行人安全設施的改善309處校園周邊道路的改善 |
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1800.219 |
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1825.816 |
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在420處的省道路口的照明我們也做了改善以及2438處路口的行人早開以及專用實相的設置115年我們會持續推動道路交通安全計畫深化科技道安的應用並且從考照的調整回訊的強化以及換照的管理三個面向來推動駕照管理的改革 |
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1826.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1844.419 |
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讓道路更安全不只是靠宣導而是要逐步落實為制度以及工程還有文化的整體改變在鐵道安全方面今年我們已經發布了第三版國家鐵路安全計畫以車載人員臨死亡作為首要目標與願景 |
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1846.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1865.127 |
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持續監控高風險的安全指標並且推動法規的修正事故調查以及監理制度的精進讓鐵路安全管理更加的系統化更加的科學化114年我們也已經完成了台鐵跟高鐵的定期檢查與特別檢查未來我們將持續針對 |
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1867.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1895.58 |
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特定高風險的議題強化安全的機制在海空運輸安全的方面我們同步強化了航安、飛安以及無人機的管理115年的1月我們正式啟用了VTS中心監控的範圍擴大了將近6倍在飛安的監理上面我們持續來依循ICAL的國際規範導入風險管理導向的制度讓我國持續與國際接軌 |
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1897.6 |
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1914.615 |
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截至目前為止我們在全國的139個鄉鎮提供了507條的幸福巴士服務涵蓋率已經超過了95%而這一項我們的目標非常的明確我們希望能夠達到鄉鄉有公車家家有幸福的目標 |
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1915.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1930.457 |
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我們輔導70處的偏鄉地區推動幸福巴士以及幸福小黃讓阿公阿嬤出門買菜有車搭讓小孩子上學或者是就醫出遊都更加的方便把服務送到每一個需要的角落 |
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1931.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1948.492 |
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在離島的方面我們除了持續辦理機場跟港口的改善之外我們的金門港旅運中心在今年的2月已經開始試營運澎湖馬宮的郵輪旅運中心預計在12月能夠完成我們要縮短城鄉差距讓移動不再是負擔 |
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1950.834 |
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1974.951 |
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接下來我們要讓台灣持續動起來任性就是一個關鍵交通部持續推進公路、鐵路、機場、港部等重大建設目標很清楚我們要讓交通更順、更穩也更能支撐國家的整體發展在公路建設方面114年已經完成多項生活圈與瓶頸路口的改善今年1月我們完成了 |
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1977.372 |
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1993.663 |
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74線十九甲閘道的通車後續我們並將完成的是淡江大橋以及台九線花東縱谷安全景觀大道的台東段檳榔外環道等等的重大工程同時我們在國道方面持續推進 |
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1995.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2015.395 |
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國一的林口、五谷、園山交流道的改善以及國道7號台61線中山大橋改善等等相關的工程還有高屏二塊、屏南塊等等重要計畫的往前推進讓區域路網更加完整也提升地方發展的動能在鐵道路網方面 |
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2016.115 |
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2045.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
今年桃園平鎮臨時站以及台南鐵路地下化的第一階段通車將陸續完成集集支線也將恢復全線的通車持續推動花東鐵路的雙軌化以及桃園鐵路地下化嘉義與彰化的高架化以及高鐵的延伸屏東延伸宜蘭等等的重大計畫我們逐步在健全城際之間以及區域之間的軌道路網 |
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2046.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2070.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
在海空門戶建設方面台灣必須持續強化與世界的連結我們持續推動第三跑道相關的設施第三航廈的工程高雄機場的新航廈以及其他機場的整體規劃持續提升機場容量與服務品質在港戶方面我們持續推動高雄港碼頭的改建台北港的智慧車輛產業園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2073.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2102.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
新車整備中心等等的啟用以及國際商港未來五年的整體規劃我們希望能夠提升我國所有的港群的營運韌性與產業的支撐力面對極端氣候交通的韌性不能只停留在災後的搶修平時就要做好後援的準備以及整合以馬太安溪橋災後復建為例交通部已經啟動三階段的搶修 |
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2103.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2123.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
岡便橋已經在今年的元旦搶通永久橋也持續的推進當中同時我們建立了陸海空一體的備援輸運機制針對蘇花中段高鐵旅客外溢等等的情境來做運去聯防的動作未來也將持續優化SOP提升整體災害應變的能力 |
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2126.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2143.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
接下來數位轉型的核心是要讓AI以及數據能夠真正解決我們交通所面臨到的痛點改善使用者的體驗我們追求的不單只是科技的展示我們致力於可以複製可以落地的系統 |
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2144.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2170.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
透過推動TDX智慧運輸平台的升級我們目前已經收納超過4800項的交通資料集未來透過這些大數據我們要逐步的建構一個更安全智慧而且平權的交通環境面對全球自駕車的發展浪潮我們採取了與市場共同推進的策略積極參考各國的先進做法 |
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2171.147 |
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2195.126 |
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目標是建立一個可以讓自駕技術能夠無縫接軌的友善環境我們參考國際標準制定了台灣專屬的台灣車聯網路設施資通訊開放標準這是我國自駕車應用的共同語言目前在淡海實驗場域已經累積完成37處的設施部件 |
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2196.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2220.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
透過標準化的訂定我們確保了未來不論是在技術的更迭我們的我國的系統都能夠具備高度的一致性以及穩定性能夠適應國際的改變為了輔導產業有序發展我們公告了自駕公車實驗運行安全指引目標是引導業者在安全管控的前提之下逐步展開實測雖然自駕實驗仍處於精進的階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2224.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2244.134 |
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我們已經主動在制度面以及環境面做好萬全的準備我們的目標是當自駕車的發展成熟產業準備好的時候台灣的基礎環境以及我們的法規標準都已經要就緒我們不只是法規的守門員更是自駕車生態系統的推手 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2245.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2271.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
在海空智慧化方面我們持續推動技術與實務的高度結合桃園機場已經運用AI進行跑道鋪面預防性的維護預測以及航班資訊的服務高雄港也已經導入影像監控以及橋樑監測等等的AI系統今年智慧交通將會有更多的指標性成果松山機場將啟動新一代的共同報道 |
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2274.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2293.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
國際線共同報導以及整合自助燈管查驗閘門高雄港將導入全自動無人卸櫃車邁向自動化作業的這個新紀元同時我們要推動商港智慧商情平台透過數據的整合提升港區的應變韌性以及國際的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2297.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2314.456 |
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接下來觀光是台灣走向世界最重要的一張名片114年來台的旅客突破了857萬人次成長率達到了9.12%這不僅是數字的成長更代表我們成功的推動了 |
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2315.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2332.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
客源多元化過去的單一市場的依賴現在已經不再是這樣的情形目前我們的客源結構趨向健康日本韓國以及港澳是我們前三大的市場都已經突破百萬人次來台 |
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2333.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2350.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
特別值得振奮的是菲律賓來台的旅客創下歷史新高有62.7萬人另外在歐美跟澳洲的市場復甦也全數超越了疫情之前的水準其中美國成為來台第四大的客源 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2351.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2378.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
有71.5萬人數據證明台灣的觀光正穩健的回升朝向多元國際的佈局大步來邁進在國際市場復出的同時國內的旅遊市場也呈現了強勁的動能國旅型態正轉向生活化114年初估我們的國旅的旅次總數以及消費的規模都會創下歷史上面的新高 |
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2379.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2399.828 |
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根據統計114年我們的總體的住客旅宿的住客的人次達到了8209萬人正是超越了疫情之前的水準以今年的春節為例初一到初三全台灣的住房率平均為64%有超過6成的縣市也就是10個縣市有10個縣市超過了6成 |
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2407.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2434.899 |
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那顯示了我們的旅宿市場已經由復甦邁入了穩定發展的階段現在短時多次輕旅行已經成為國人旅遊的主流以及主力每人平均的旅次已經提升到了10.46次透過結合台灣好行等等的公共運輸系統我們帶動人次的大幅提升有達到了19.79%讓旅遊更加的便利以及低碳 |
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2436.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2453.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
今年我們預計要推出觀光雙輪驅動方案強化國際客源的拓展以及平日國旅的促進並且規劃台灣觀光演訓院在今年要掛牌營運籌設雅加達辦事處等等的計畫我們也要推動北回之巔台灣觀光雙年曆與 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2456.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2474.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
台灣觀光100亮點等等的計畫我們要積極邀請國際的媒體以及KOL來台採線並且優化各地的觀光基礎建設目標是要讓台灣成為亞洲旅遊首選的目的地在多元旅遊方面我們也會持續推動藍色公路 |
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2477.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2499.368 |
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國際郵輪、鐵道觀光以及自行車旅遊114年國際郵輪的旅客創下了歷史上面的新高而且其中國際的旅客比例也相當的高115年我們將持續深化海洋觀光以及鐵道旅遊並且擴增遊艇的博點完善郵輪的停靠服務 |
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2500.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2529.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
帶動地方觀光以及區域經濟在郵政方面我們持續推動智慧物流以及數位轉型北台灣郵件作業中心預計在今年的5月底之前要完成搬遷進駐未來我們將集中處理全國70%以上的郵件分檢封運在這個地方進一步要來提升郵務的效率以及服務在氣象的方面我們持續了進化 |
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2531.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2537.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
預警的在地應用導入了AI的技術提升颱風路徑的預報的精準度地震的預報時間從10秒縮短到7秒今年3月我們推出了 |
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2547.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2560.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
鄉鎮沿海大來雨及時訊息並且逐步完成二十二縣市未來一到三個月的氣候展望我們要讓氣象的服務從看得到進一步走向用得上 |
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2562.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2587.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
交通部還有一個重要的任務是持續穩健的推動運具的淨零轉型在運具電動化方面114年度電動大顆車的普及率已經達到了年度的目標電動油物機車也已經達到了50%也提前的達成了我們的設定目標今年我們將持續的推動公共運輸以及政府車輛的電動化並且擴充國道的路網 |
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2591.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2602.318 |
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的這個充電服務讓轉型更有條件也更能夠落地在低碳的通勤方面TPAS的推出公共運輸的成長量已經到達32.8%全國有20個縣市實施 |
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2606.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2630.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
超過16.78億人次使用並且在114年推出了TPAS 2.0以及TPAS 2.0 Plus方案這個已經成為國人生活的標配更是最有感的幸福政策讓海空運輸淨零的部分我們也在努力我們將持續推動商港的T代燃油供應並且在離岸 |
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2632.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2641.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
的這個岸電建設以及內水傳播的電動化以及國際航空擴大使用SAF讓台灣在海空運輸面對國際減碳的趨勢能夠穩健接軌及早佈局 |
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2647.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2666.636 |
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最後我要再一次說明交通部的工作就是讓人民能夠出門更安全返家更安心讓地方發展有路可走讓國家面對風險的時候能夠撐得住轉得動也讓台灣在智慧轉型以及淨零轉型的路上走得更穩走得更遠 |
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2667.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2678.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
未來交通部會持續努力下一個更安全更便捷智慧而且永續可以真正讓人民有感的交通環境謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2692.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2698.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
好 那接下來我們請葉局長來報告飲水法的修正草案 謝謝 |
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2708.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就許委員字節等22人擬據飲水法第6條條文修正草案提出本部處理意見建議請報告說明如下 敬請各位委員指教首先報告委員提案修正重點 |
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許智傑等委員介於臺灣水路交通日益發展政府推動水路的油氣政策用我國為海島國家船舶運輸甚為重要未符合現代飲水實際現況原理據《飲水法》第六條條文修正查案列以總共為未滿一千隻非中華民國遊艇準用第一項規定一級免除該等船舶強制飲水規定之適用 |
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二本部建議處理意見為強化飲水業務的監督與管理以及確保飲水服務品質本部航港局課程推動飲水法修正作業該局以通盤檢討 |
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飲水食物作為需求另配合遊艇觀光政策與確保港區航行安全前提下經徵詢飲水人及港股管理機關構或有共識規劃比照我國籍總動位未達1000船舶不適用強制飲水規定之做法放寬總動位未達1000隻非我國籍船舶不適用強制飲水規定因此許委員等提案 |
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內容與本部航港局檢討修正方向一致全案本部尊重貴委員會綜合審查結果最後簡要報告結語感謝徐委員等22位委員為應政府推動水域油氣政策以及符合現代飲水實況需求擬具之提案 |
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本部後續將於行政院指導下持續推動飲水法修正作業以促進航運程序發展並確保船舶進出港埠安全綜合上說明針對學員等之提案請提供本部處理建議敬請各位委員參採並會議指教謝謝好 我們謝謝葉協榮局長 |
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好 各位委員我們現在開始進行詢答我們先宣告以下事項我們詢答時間初期委員6加2分鐘列席委員清明報告對 |
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抱歉抱歉我們那個清明年假的交通疏運的報告我們我們請是 |
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交集人還有各位委員各位先進 大家好以下由 以下請就清明節連續假期輸運計畫進行報告那今年的清明節連續假期自4月2號 4月3號到4月6號共有4天的假期那交通部輸運工作呢是從4月2號到4月7號共計6天 |
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那預估在輸運的前段以及輸運的後段大概會是以返鄉以及返工的中長途旅客為主要那中段的部分因為有兒童節有有清明節所以預期是會以短程出遊跟掃墓的旅客為主要那在高速公路的部分會今年會實施高層宅管制閘道封閉調整收費等措施那另外也規劃了四條中長途的 |
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替代道路7條短途的替代道路用以分散車流那在省道的部分蘇花路廊南回公路以及西濱快速道路那分別實施開放路兼供大客車行駛進行大貨車路段間變路口封閉等措施在高鐵的部分清明節期間預計加開191個列次 |
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那運能增加了18%也會是實際的需求來加開班次因應那另外因應台中呢可能有人潮外溢的情形也做好了運具聯防高鐵公司會將與那個台鐵公司以及國道客運進行跨運具的一個聯防工作另外高鐵公司今年在春節與Light Day合作推出 |
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當日自由座等候時間預估燈號的服務也獲得極大的一個好評所以今年的清明節也會跟續辦理在台鐵的部分預計加開185個列次運能會增加7.8%那清明節期間西線的新次強豪會取消自由座發售限量的車票站票 |
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那在國道客運的部分已經準備了充足的運能那今年因為新明節也是民俗節日所以會比較春節有86條國道客運會提供6折的一個優惠那如果再搭配我們的TPAS 2.0 PLUS的措施最高的優惠可以達42折那在海運的部分本島離島有9條航線小山通有4條航線共13條航線 |
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總共服務28.3萬人次那在空運的部分國內航線共規劃了1684個架次可以服務12.9萬人次那因應天候可能的影響也被駝了ABC的一個應變計畫那只要有需要就會隨時啟動在桃園機場的部分那預計因為 |
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後續都有加班所以預計每日的量大概可以到15.1萬到16.2萬人次桃機公司已經依照旅客的需求預做人力以及設備的一個安排並會透過APP提供等候的時間讓旅客能夠充分瞭解在觀光的部分那觀光局觀光署也持續提供訂房率以及 |
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那個大型遊樂區的一個資訊供大家來做一個輸運規劃的參考後續也會進行相關的宣導鼓勵民眾提早事先規劃相關的旅程那針對親民的連續假期那部裡面已經折成各輸運單位要起積極的做好運能的準備以及聯防的準備 |
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也要落實相關的安全工作那後續呢 便會透過APP1968等多元管道來進行宣導提醒民眾也要留意清明節期間的用火安全希望大家都能夠平安順利返鄉返工以及旅遊以上好 非常感謝 |
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好那我們現在就開始進行詢答我們先宣告以下事項我們詢答的時間初期委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止各位委員如有臨時提案請於10點以前提出以便議事人員會診我們暫定10點30分休息10分鐘現在我們邀請登記第一位的委員洪孟海委員發言 |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請陳世凱部長好 請陳部長好 部長好委員長好部長 針對中東的局勢現在暫情還沒有降溫的一個狀況那其實我們看到是說藍油的部分大家都關心是那我們先看一下新聞報導藍油荒泉 |
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全球都受害所以說航運成本已經暴增了50億美金那再來看我們這個跟國人比較直接聯繫是航空相關所以我國籍的航空已經過去這一個月已經有調漲了這個定位服務費 |
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那現在也有一些航空公司講是說這個燃油附加費也要調漲沒錯那今天4月1號很多業者有講說多希望這是愚人節的笑話但是看起來可能是在必行我們目前為止有沒有針對燃油附加費我們國際航空要調漲的一個規劃向委員報告確實 |
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我們這個燃油也造成了所有的航空公司的燃油價格的壓力他們成本的壓力那我們在今天民航局應該就會公布針對燃油附加費的增加所以會增加多少增加的幅度我是不是請局長跟委員報告用麥克風好不好 |
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跟委員報告有關國內線的部分因為我們已經過去就有一個建立機制就是要連續三個月中油公佈的燃油的價格如果往上調整的話我們就會來調整整個國內線的這個費用會放在全額票價裡面所以票價有可能會漲 |
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現在是勢在必行對 因應燃油的這個是過往因為燃油因應國際趨勢它常常會漲漲跌跌那所以說這個要適度的去反映那這個部分我們計算出來的話大概就是每條航線會不一樣大概是平均大概是97塊錢 |
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97塊那可是對於居民的部分因為以往我們也曾經有討論過居民的部分的話我們基本上就是有一部分這個調整我們會由民航作業基金來吸收然後以兼顧這個離島的部分所以目前居民就國內航線還是吸收多因為97塊沒有到那麼多那國際航線咧 |
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國際航線的部分的話它的調整機制就是我們也是有建立一個機制就是會有一個級距短程線長程線那大概是短程線的話是每調整那個數字局長我們可不可以講大白話因為本期還有很多問題好不好大白話就是會調就是會調但調多少 |
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調多少就是會占國際線這個是大家最關心的45塊會調漲45啦短程線的話是從17塊5會調整到45塊長程線是45.5那票價咧未來票價有沒有可能調高 |
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這個剛剛所說的數字是以美金來計算那這個部分其實就是加到票價裡面剛剛所講的這個調漲就加到票價裡面那要看它原本的票價假設3萬塊那它以長城來講的話是調整45.5塊美金大概是這樣所以我們可不可以幣值一次你3萬是台幣吧 |
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你剛剛原本3萬台幣然後你現在45塊又變美金不要報喜不報憂嘛部長因為這個是全球面對長城如果你要乘以30的話長城的大概是增加了1300塊左右長城的來講還有票價的問題有可能現在是票價貴一回事但現在有一些航空公司是飛一班虧一班因為油真的太貴了所以也演變成有一些國家來我們看下一張 |
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抱歉有一些國家向您更正一下長城市有每年每人45.5美元調漲為117美元那117美元算起來的話就差不多3000多塊3000多塊對不對對好 |
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部長這一些都還是第一步因為才一個月那中東戰事什麼時候衍生我們不清楚所以現在世界各國包括日本、印度、新加坡都已經有調整甚至什麼甚至就是要求其他航空公司來到這個國家的話我不加油要他自己帶油來飛自己飛回去有一些國家已經這樣做囉那台灣有沒有考慮跟緊 |
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向委員報告有沒有去研議因為就變成是如果說我們之後我們的油也變成是一個戰略物資能源物資那我們當然優先給我們國捷航空嘛那如果說其他航空公司飛來到台灣他帶油來飛啊 |
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是沒錯像委員報告這個部分我們其實內部有做過討論幾個原則第一國內如果真的燃油在緊迫的狀況底下當然以國際航空為優先條件是什麼不要講原則我們就講條件就是說你應該有劇本就是當到達什麼時候譬如說假設中東戰事持續延長 |
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兩個月那我們就要採取這個措施還是我們的庫存油量到什麼時候的時候我們採取這個措施像委員報告我們其實要跟中油這邊來配合看中油的公油的狀況怎麼樣它的供給如果沒有問題那我們就不緊迫但它的公油的部分我們有跟經濟部保持聯繫如果說到了只剩下大概一個月或兩個月我們大概就會用緊迫的條件來處理那我們現在原則是這樣到達緊迫的時候 |
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國籍為優先所以部長我們能夠預測中東戰事什麼時候會結束嗎這個沒辦法預測沒辦法所以要料敵從寬啊對沒錯其他國家已經有因應了是因為我知道我們很多的航空公司我們國籍航空也就是說現在都要載油去飛不能在其他國家加油了是 像委員報告現在只要是其他的國家不讓我們加油的那他們一樣他們的飛機進來我們也不給加油已經實施了嗎我們的原則就是這樣 |
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所以現在開始實施那現在有哪一些國家不讓我們去那邊加油報告委員目前是沒有有喔這樣子部長你的資料掌握不夠清楚因為目前本席之道確實是有包括泰國包括幾個東南亞國家確實是有他的他不是完全不供油他還是供油只是有限制的油量 |
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所以基本上並沒有說全部限制就是沒有像委員講的說他就不供油他不會不供但是有限制量部長我建議您再好好去了解一下因為可能您掌握資訊沒有那麼的清楚跟準確那本席現在只要說要求因為這個是公平原則油是大家用那如果說我們買回來的油當然是先供應給我們自己國內以及我們國際航空好那再來 |
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所以剛剛確定一個原則就如果說有哪一個國家宣布這樣的狀況那我們也對等採取這樣的一個因應那我們不會主動的去先講說我們不供應因為其實另外一個方面台灣的這個庫存油量其實對比其他國家來講我們不是前段班可以這麼講這很客觀嘛所以我們有沒有要採取先因應的超前部署 |
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這個部分我們會跟中油公司保持聯繫那我們也會問他像委員今天在關切那我們就會問他說有沒有辦法具備一個月或兩個月的存量那我們目前存量多少我們希望中油公司可以提供給我們好 那另外本席也在看到就是有包括南韓他們現在行車管制可能已經擴及到一般國內就是說不只是現在航空業南韓現在有針對伊朗戰爭能源吃緊的狀況已經對於公務員率先先限制開車管制 |
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就是說建議公務員就先不要開車然後節省這個油量那當然這是南韓的一個做法但我覺得這也是我們現在應該要去思考的就是說部長你剛剛講到因為這個是跟經濟部息息相關能源掌控或是在經濟部可是交通的問題是我們交通部也因此 |
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本席具體建議應該現在即刻就要交通部跟經濟部趕快來做一個聯合的會議並且充分的了解到底我們的油量控管到什麼程度以及我們第一階段第二階段第三階段要採取什麼措施因為我們不知道中東戰事什麼時候會結束但是料敵從寬以及我們要有比較寬裕不要說現在大家還是一樣就說 |
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過平常生活但沒想到到最後勒緊褲帶的時候反正大家適應不良預先的讓國人知道我們的步驟反而會讓國人有所預防這樣子是不是也可以減少後續有可能帶來的衝擊謝謝委員的提醒我覺得這個提醒相當的好我們會趕快來跟經濟部這邊來聯繫他們供油的部分可以提供在運輸方面的油能夠提供多久的時間 |
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這個相關的措施什麼時候可以跟本市以及我們交通委員會兩個禮拜內可以沒有問題好兩個禮拜內請讓國人知道是說我們因應因為這個不是開玩笑我想我們2300人共同面對那再來還有一個問題是5月12號 |
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淡水的大日子我們淡江大橋完工聽說現在連鋪路的濾青都有缺料飆漲的狀況那會不會影響我們淡江大橋完工像委員報告我們這個價格確實是有提高不過也很感謝工程會的協助我們有特別跟廠商這邊來做協調價格雖然提高但是淡江大橋所需要的大概400 |
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或者是450公噸左右的這個濾清的部分我們已經備備好了備備好了所以對於整體的通車時程不會受到影響好那可是現在濾清的這個原物料的調調漲多少是調漲多少是不是我請局長 |
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簡單回應一下根本就我所了解的部分大概從今天4月1號大概我印象中是16%還是12%大概是這樣子去長了1.515%左右嘛對不對是針對濾清油的部分好所以未來可能的狀況假設中東再次沒有結束的話有可能連全國的這些公路有需要用到濾清鋪設的部分也會受到影響是不是那這有什麼因應的措施 |
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這個部分的話工程會後面就會統一來這個做一個處理因為大概因為是屬於這個整體工程的部分啦之前大概就是有反應給這個工程會那工程會這邊他們大概也在好本席提醒啦就是說這不要受到我們的這個道路的一個鋪設的一個問題那最後部長本席還是要為地方再請命一下好前兩天本席陪同侯友宜市長前往我們淡水再去視察 |
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淡海輕軌南海線二期的先行工程我們已經先做那本來也期待是說能夠跟淡江大橋譬如說通車的時候能夠有一起的一個規劃但現在最新一次報了行政院13次最新一次是2025年11月已經通過鐵道局審查通過交通部報行政院了 |
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那半年過去了 到底我們現在淡海輕軌藍海鮮二期以及大家關心的淡江大橋未來延伸的八里輕軌能不能給我們一個十三次咧我說你要審查嚴謹沒有問題三次兩次我們趕快全部都再調整也都調整完畢了那但是現在十三次了五年五個多月過去了那我們的進度在哪邊 |
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謝謝委員的關心這個我相信淡水的鄉親大家都很關注我們也希望他能夠趕快那不過現在很像在新北市這個部分在那個河岸旁邊輕軌的位置上面已經調整了這個部長這你又不了解了因為局長其實也都很清楚現在還有新北市捷運局的相關人士也都有過來已經調整了我請局長來說明 |
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他就在這第十三次的時候已經報回去請注意一下時間來委員這個部分我們來努力希望他快一點我們希望他快一點就當然是快一點但是已經過半年了現在是不是計畫已經又報到行政院了 |
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現在在局裡面現在還在鐵道局在鐵道局在鐵道局但你之前跟我講不過說已經有在報局裡面報行政院因為沒有在這是報到部裡面那部裡面因為還有要跟新北市政府確認剛剛講的這個議題上面的確認度這件事我們只要跟新北市政府確認好大概就可以很快的來進行 |
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好 向委員報告上一次本席上一個會席一樣問您一樣是用這個態度部長建設不分黨派只要能夠讓地方好我相信大家都期待不管是南海縣輕軌二期尤其是它是淡海輕軌的最後一里路連接整個完整路網才可以完整所以我真的要拜託部長 |
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5月12號我相信連總統也會來我們淡江大橋這邊來做開工落成的一個部分嘛希望真的能夠到時候來帶來一些好消息好不好好我們謝謝謝謝好我們現在紅委員喔接下來我們請李坤哲委員發言不好意思錄 |
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謝謝您敬獻召委請一下陳士凱部長高鐵史哲董事長台鐵鄭光源董事長鐵道局楊振軍局長召委召委好好我們請請部長好 |
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委員長部長好最近國人對於高鐵漲價的問題甚有疑慮那對於台鐵的安全的狀況也深表擔心那高鐵的漲價當然它有一個調整的機制每年的四月當然是由交通部來訂定票價的一個基準然後高鐵來做調整票價與否的決定然後再送董事會 |
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如果同意之後最後是要送到立法院來核備那當然在2026高鐵的一個基本匯率如果按照推算他從台北到高雄大概有290元的一個漲價空間那這個問題我們在過去我在交通委員會對於高鐵10多年來多次提到漲價的議題的時候我就有一個中心的原則 |
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就是高鐵的問題是在運量不在於票價那我們看到高鐵的旅客總能吃 |
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逐年的增加2024年的總人次啊達到7825萬那2025呢上漲到8207萬高鐵每天搭乘的日均人次啊在2025年的時候是22萬人次左右那2026二月啊已經提升到24萬人次那高鐵的營收啊也提升了2024年是531億 |
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那2025年提升到546億那我請教一下部長對於高鐵漲價的這個問題你有什麼看法好 向委員報告我們目前高鐵它的這個基本費率交通部已經有訂定了它確實還有可以漲價的這個空間那不過它到底要漲或不漲這個由高鐵公司來決定那我目前聽石總市長的說明應該目前公司還沒有提出這樣子的案子 |
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那詳細的部分請董事長說明一下好 謝謝委員的關心我想每一年基本這個票價的基準都會進行檢討依照物價指數不過長期以來高鐵目前是都沒有提出漲價的方案尤其是我們現在預量攀升以及我們現在目前的重點是在新車的導入 |
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那今年7月出場 8月到港 明年中會即將開始分批上路因此我也多次的宣布 宣示就是我們會在新車成功導入上路之後我們才會提出票價的檢討那現在旅客的人次增加 營收也增加那今年年底 我們現在原本有34組的高鐵的這些車輛 |
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那在年底預計12組的車輛會再進來12組通通在年底都會進來嗎12組他在今年中會陸續到港之後還要進行相關的測試到明年完成測試在明年中開始才會分批上路完全上路要到2028年 |
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所以到2028年來上路所以票價調整的議題在2028年之前沒有漲價的問題是不是來說明我們目前是以新車成功上路導入之後我們要開始檢討票價的問題而票價的問題特別是要處理我們既有34組車輛的這個太久換行好 謝謝董事長我現在再請教陳部長對於台鐵的問題 |
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台鐵每天有66萬到70萬的人次來搭乘對於台鐵旅客的準時送達目的地以及他的安全的維護是我們交通部跟台鐵公司最基本最重要的責任那我們看到3月27號發生了急電工跟電車線的脫落的議題我記得在2014年 |
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台鐵的集電供跟電車線也發生過嚴重的脫落以及相關的故障問題我記得當時的台鐵局長是周永輝局長謝謝周局長在當時經過我們的督促全面的一個更新那經過10多年現在又出現問題這個造成列車誤點20小時 |
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這個台鐵的形象真的是被受打擊然後在3月30號福隆往大理站的方向車輛沿邊坡滑落這個真的讓我們嚇了一大跳這個想到2021年4月2號太魯閣的這種工程車滑落造成重大傷亡的事件明天是週年紀念阿嬤好知道 |
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大理有很多廳公廟,有地方有保庇那個滑落真的是問題會非常的嚴重那其實運安會現在也立案併案調查不管是3月13日或3月30日啊認為這已經不是偶發事件這是系統性的問題啊是台鐵公司安全系統性的問題啊 |
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部長來說明一下我們你有沒有掌握狀況報告委員您所說的這三件事我們都有掌握狀況而且在發生的同時我們也跟董事長跟總經理密切在聯繫看怎麼樣協助讓我們的旅客能夠順利的來通行那另外針對後續的檢討的部分其實我們對於三二七的現在不只是不只是集電工之亂不只是電車線之亂 |
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還有吊車廠之亂 吊車廠造成這種車輛的互相撞擊造成嚴重的損害車輛甚至直接衝上站台 |
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這都是系統性的安全問題你們有提出什麼改善的方案嗎或是調查什麼時候會出來我們針對3月27號的調查已經出來了而且有提出幾項方案第一就是說我們SOP不足的部分標準作業流程不足的部分我們要檢討那第二我們針對設備到底有沒有問題口頭的檢討民眾已經無法接受了我看台鐵的吊車事故2023年有六件 |
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2024年有8件2025年去年有10件今年到現在為止已經有5件 |
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我們的人力是否應該要增補相關的人力我們的吊車人員的訓練是不是要加強我們的教練制度就是他受完訓之後也必須要有資深的這種教練來陪伴至少兩個月然後他才能去獨立作業還有我們的對於員工的照顧是否足夠我們應該啊對於 |
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員工的機率措施也要加強啊例如說這種無責任事故的獎勵或是提高夜點費讓我們的工作人員有好的這種作業的狀態來 部長那你整體說明一下好 報告委員其實您說的這個夜點費的部分我們已經做了那另外針對您剛剛所提的每一項人力夠不夠教育夠不夠然後他的這個教練制度做得好不好我認為台鐵公司現在即刻來 請台鐵公司說明一下台鐵公司說明一下 |
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是委員跟您報告在教育訓練方面我們現在積極在做剛才您提的這些我們發生這個不管是3月27號或者3月30號吊車場這個問題其實都是人為的似乎 |
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SOP都有那但是沒有操作所以針對這一點的話我們現在3月26號開始的已經有一個巡查每個九五運安處還有相關的主管單位然後到各處去就這個SOP的落實度那如果沒有落實的話那主管還有這個人員我們現在台鐵長期的人力不足也是一個嚴重的問題我們薪資的競爭力差然後職員的結構老化 |
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而且少子化也造成社會的整體的一個缺工那有經驗的熟練的這些員工逐漸的退休新進的人也補不進來而且新進人員的離職率是非常的高那人力短缺我們應該要導入新興的科技來減少作業的一個負擔 |
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不管是遠端的控制系統或是群島的關閉裝置等等的自動控制系統防止這種導入車輛防止碰撞的一個技術建立自動煞停的機制還有我們電車線 |
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這種環境風險的感知方面也必須要加強啊不是裝了之後等到他壞了再來換新我們有沒有這種智慧鐵道的監控系統來導入AI的影像辨識針對這些急電工或者是電車線老化的現象我們能夠及時的去做維修來說明一下 |
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各位報告 事實上我們在人力不足的方面我們先用是從基層的一些主管等人員譬如說電車線的處理 電務上的 公務上的 機務的我們用鼓勵一些從業人員用各地方直接去招募而不是由總公司這邊在招募這個成果在過去半年內有相當的成效我們先希望把這個基層的員工先把它補齊 |
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那至於說在智慧化這方面呢我們也陸續在但是這一部分的話恐怕我們要再晚一點再做因為現在我們最重要的是把教育訓練整個60度的把它做好現在那個鐵道局也有導入這種鐵道的智慧監控系統 |
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那我們針對這種集電工或電車線它的這種張力的異常電車線的張力異常或是設備的鬆脫或者是相關的結構變形我們有一些前期徵兆要來進行監測不是等到有故障的再來做維修然後一故障就造成 |
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霧點達到快20個小時這對旅客的行程衝擊非常大跟委員報告確實這在用這種AI這些技術我們有一部分的在譬如說在東岸這邊的話我們跟中華電信那麼有一個系統已經在做這個影像的辨識那像這個我們也都會逐漸的來擴展到其他的地方 |
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部長要全力的督促不管是在清明節相關交通的疏運而且是高鐵的服務效率以及台鐵的安全狀況都必須做一個精準的掌握在過去在連假或是清明節的假期常常會發生特別的這樣的一個交通異常的事故請部長要全力的督促以上謝謝委員好 我們也謝謝李崑哲委員的發言 |
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我們現場委員已達法定人數我們先確定上次的議事錄各位委員對上次的議事錄有沒有問題如果沒有問題的話我們議事錄就確定接下來我們請陳青龍委員發言謝謝主席那請我們陳部長 |
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部長好部長跟我一樣來自台中來自地方地方民眾的心聲我們應該有共同的感受我跟部長提到我的感受民眾的感受就是我們的罰單 |
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這個開例這個越開越多那事故的死傷這個案件並沒有明顯的下降人行地利的這樣的一個惡名還是無法抹除我這邊簡單的一個統計資料保證你看一下那我們在民國111年的時候 |
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我們的交通發展開了1385萬件我們的事故也達到47萬件 |
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整個罰單的開立是整個往上升到我們去年罰單開到1631萬件死傷事故的案件來到了53.6萬件整個統計 |
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事實就告訴我們你罰單開得越多你的交通事故並沒有減少那這樣的一個過程我們就發覺到其中的一個狀況我們的整個罰單的罰款收入依照我們目前這個道路及交通違規罰款收入分配及運用辦法 |
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那麼多的一個交通罰款收入75%是還分配到我們各地方政府那24%分配給我們的處罰機關1%結繳國庫那我們在這樣的一個罰站分配給地方75%的一個部分我們只有 |
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12%要求它分配給地方政府的這一%要來強制助於交通安全的改善 |
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在這樣的一個現象我相信部長來自地方也了解你認為這樣的分配合理嗎取之於我們全民的發展收入那麼多的罰款收入你其中分配給地方75%之後你只強制12%要來助於交通安全的改善這樣的分配合理嗎 部長 |
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請問一下我認為相當不合理你認為相當不合理嗎相當不合理所以這個部分其實我們有提要修法因為說實在話交通的罰單的目標跟目的是希望交通能夠更安全更安全啊不是為了罰款的罰款啊應該要放在交通安全相關的這個部門看要怎麼樣去改善交通這個部分我們已經有提出修法我們希望能提高到百分之三十 |
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我也提出修法我在這個會期啊一擔任一就任我就提出修法為什麼要提出修法我們來看我們現在我以六都直轄市為例子你看從台北新北桃園台中台南高雄我們分配給地方的金額 |
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台北24億多 新北24億 桃園17億 台中20億 台南11億 高雄16億多我們目前 以目前分配辦法 強制用在交通安全改善12%分配只有差不多2億元左右的這樣的經費 |
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我提出的修法我認為75%給地方地方的75%應該就要來做交通安全的改善你認為合理嗎報告委員我認為應該要全部放在這個交通安全的改善我認為很合理那你認為是百分之百還是百分之75還是剛剛你所說你要修法的幾%30% |
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兩個數據跟委員報告實際上地方所得到的不是只有75%以直轄市來說他們得到99%所有的罰款他得到99%那我們目前提啦因為過去是12我們希望至少要提到30不過我們也很歡迎也很感謝委員在提出能夠更高的版本我們希望交通安全 |
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既然這些罰單都是我們人民他辛苦的血汗錢不得不來繳罰款那他因為違反交通安全而被罰款這些款項拿來做交通安全的改善是理所當然而且也是一定必然的嘛是沒錯 |
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好那我們從這個比例來看如果今天各地方政府有這樣的一個專款這樣的一個費用所以交通的一個改善我相信人民的感受也會比較好是沒錯對不對那整個交通安全提升工程方面的改善速度就可以加快很多 |
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對啊 我相信你來這地方啊現在現在各地方政府常常就把這個罰款的收入納入他財政缺口變成小金庫對 變成那個小金庫啊你各地方政府的財政缺口用人民罰款的費用作為他的財政缺口的挹注變成小金庫而不用再交通安全的改善所以我才會就任之後就提出修法 |
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希望這樣的款項直接用於交通安全 道路安全的改善好不好 我們一起來努力讓這個修法能夠通過好 謝謝部長接下來我來請我們這個開設公司我們曾董事長我想這兩天應該這個禮拜 |
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我們真的還蠻辛苦的啦連續的開會剛剛我們有委員也提到光這個禮拜從327、328、330包括昨天連我們在新烏日站那個旁邊還有 |
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還會有些個火災的發生而且是我們台鐵的協力廠商的一個戰車廠的一個問題產生火災造成列車的延誤污點跟安全變成我們台鐵的指標那我請問曾董事長 |
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當初過去我們對台鐵這樣的百年成科我們覺得用公司化的治理能夠來改善台鐵的一個文化那三二七這樣的一個事件 |
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5.2萬分鐘整個改革整個台鐵的要求3月4月你說要求我們台鐵要認真研讀行車規章要防止路線電車線的故障你越要求越是重點 |
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結果就月出包那整個這樣的過程連續一個禮拜事件一直發生那我問鄭董事長你是交通的專業你的專業大家都不以置疑那你知道台鐵一年了吧 今天啊各位不到一年九個月期待你的改革你認為公司的話真的可以解決台鐵目前的一個狀況嗎 |
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我想台鐵現在這幾次的發包這次的出包完全就是一個SOP沒有落實那換句話說譬如說像3月27號這個部分的話應該在這個集電工的這個檢修方面一定要檢修但是他沒有完全落實檢修另外一個司機員遇到了這個我們的這個真空電路器 |
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壞掉的時候啊應該要求要馬上停車檢查他沒有做那我就告訴那個副市長你們SOP給我的齁都非常OK都非常好你們SOP都做得很好啊但是人員沒有確實去依這個SOP去接應嘛 |
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很明顯而且最重要的我以旅客我作為一個台鐵的一個旅客的一個感受你們事故發生你們的通報你們對困在車廂裡面的旅客還有繼續要可能要去做我們台鐵的旅客你們整個通報的機制都不完成 |
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通道提示整個後續的一個辦理我只感受到要不你就退票就好了你就是退票就好了這樣的一個惡性循環一直在道歉 |
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檢討 抱歉 檢討這樣的過程啊 所有可以來解決是 我想謝謝委員這個抱歉不是能夠解決問題我們現在最重要的是針對這個問題怎麼來做像以這個case我們現在來做的話就是說我們要強化我們整個應變的機制 |
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應變的機制說在整個有一個小組那麼在行動中心裡面協助他把我們的整個後續的車班的這個規劃重新調整調整以後的資訊很快的能夠到報告給這個車站跟列車上的行動的列車長讓你都知道所以說孫總市長希望用你的專業 |
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真的可以徹底的改善台鐵啦讓你可以重拾對台鐵的信心啦不然你所有人都跑去搞台鐵啦連我都不敢決定台鐵啦謝謝委員的指教我們一定會決定來做好 我們謝謝陳天榮委員的發言好 謝謝我們接下來遊浩浩委員遊浩浩委員遊浩浩委員不在 |
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好 接下來我們邀請陳素悅委員發言謝謝主席 請主席先邀請部長還有台鐵局董事長請陳部長還有我們台鐵就先這兩位 這兩個單位 |
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部長早還有董事長早我先要請教一下這個部長就是我們彰化鄉親非常關心的這個彰化市鐵路高架可以說是地方鄉親期盼超過應該30年的一個建設了 |
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那在我們回顧一下在2018年1月26號的時候當時的行政院長就是目前的總統賴清德總統到彰化參加這個就是中央與地方落實前瞻基礎建設的一個座談會的時候當時就公開宣布就是全力支持彰化市鐵路高架然後也強調說行政院絕對會做 |
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所以當時據我們了解當時事實上都有達成共識就是要將這個基檢站遷移到花壇這樣子的一個方向那我們看到在後來2022年1月3號的時候行政院也已經核定了彰化 |
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這個鐵路高架化的可行性研究那當時的內容就是方案就是要把基檢站遷移到花壇這樣子的一個內容那可是我們看到一直到2024年的6月26號就是前年的年中的時候啊彰化縣政府才函文鐵道局說同意基檢站的基地確定為就是這個方案三就是花壇以及二水的貨運那 |
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現在一晃眼又過了一年半的時間了那我想請問一下目前進度如何向委員報告確實我們在111年的5月27已經啟動這個綜合規劃綜規的部分我們已經啟動了但啟動之後我們有發現到一些問題陸續在解決 |
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那目前還有幾個問題第一就是說二水基地的高低差的部分有這個土方的問題那這個部分可能會影響到後續的環評所以我們目前正在解決那第二個就是說Z型的這個引車道引車道的部分目前它的坡度其實是有一些問題需要再討論的目前我們正在討論當中那第三個其實是比較關鍵的目前彰化縣政府有針對幾個議題就是都市計畫的變更以及土地開發還有整體的交通的整合的規劃 |
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那他也有邀集我們這個台鐵公司跟鐵道局大家正在討論這個議題那有分別在114年的8月1號10月17跟11月26號有分別召開會議但還是有一些議題還沒有共識那這個部分我們希望能夠趕快一一的來克服啦 |
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是 那就這個計畫就是說在我們賴總統在行政院長任內就是公開宣布就是一定會做那到現在這樣一晃眼又八年的時間了 |
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所以讓地方鄉親覺得說好像毫無進度所以在這個過程就是說中央跟地方當然要一起配合一起合作那當然本席是希望我們交通部能夠我們可以做得到的地方是不是可以加快那個速度 |
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是委員在指示的這個我們自己能夠控在我們手上的我們盡量來加速這個沒問題就是說我們江東部的權責我們可以掌握進度的我們要加快他的速度那地方的部分那就是說目前剛剛部長有說明的就是這個都市計劃的相關的這些作業程序就是完全是地方政府要做的是那這部分有沒有可能我們也可以盡量再跟他們溝通希望 |
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這個行政程序時常要加快好 這個部分我們來努力不過也需要地方政府因為這個會議是由他們邀集的他們召集的包含都市計畫的變更這個必然是地方政府要先做那我們希望他能夠趕快來把共識協調出來那協調出來的話進度就會加快 |
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聽起來好像我們是被動邀請不過我們還是希望交通部可以私下再跟他們我們會主動來跟縣政府來聯繫他們的開會時間可以盡快邀集召開這樣子那我們希望這個進度可以盡快讓地方能夠感受到有明顯的一個進度這樣好 謝謝接下來我想請教一下台鐵公司 |
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就是我們台鐵公司在2024年1月1號正式掛牌那掛牌之後到今天就是2026年4月1號我想先請教一下董事長這期間我們總共做了幾次的改點 |
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我們基本上每半年就會檢討一次像今年的話我們在3月23號有一個小改點但是我們準備在7月1號再做一次比較大幅度的改點 |
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是 好剛剛董事長說每半年做一次改點那就本席所看到的資料就是我們在2024年的6月我們有做了一次改點當時就是有就是更動了436列次的車班那在2025年的6月也做了改點有異動了386列次然後在2025年的12月就是異動了111列次 |
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那剛剛董事長講的3月23號最近的這一次我們有做了一個改點就是移動了四個列次那這四個列次受到影響最大的就是園林站所以讓我們園林鄉親就會特別覺得說我們園林站園林的鄉親我們地方的鄉親好像被忽視了我就不曉得說我們這次的改點的考量是什麼 |
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我跟委員報告一下我們在7月1號這邊的話我們在園林的部分我們在自強號方面我們會想辦法來增班還有一部分就是所謂增班有兩種一種是我們直接把班次增多然後加靠園林另外一個是說我們把現在現有的三班的經過靠園林的所謂的舉光號我們把它升等為自強號 |
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既然董事長這樣公開的一個承諾那我們也希望就是說在7月1號我們會再做一次的大幅的一個改點那我希望這一次就是說在園林園林站的這個停號的一個班次我們要就是再增加就是剛剛董事長有答應的這個部分 |
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對所以我們現在目前這個志強號呢我們停靠雲林的有48班那麼我們7月1號以後呢聯統正班的跟聯統升級的就總共會到了53列次總共有5班 增加5班因為我們雲林我們彰化縣也是123萬 |
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人口的大限那最重要的站就是彰化站跟園林站就是北彰化跟南彰化所以我希望就是說我們在這個班次的考量上絕對不能忽視我們園林站忽視我們地方鄉親的這個搭車的權益 |
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謝謝委員指導 上次您有交代我們想說就按照這方向來努力OK 好 謝謝董事長那再來我想請教因為這個也很多委員關心的因為又剛好就是這個清明年假要到了那在上個禮拜五就是因為電力的故障致使這個北台灣我們的這個 |
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鐵道的運輸這個大癱瘓所以就這個部分我們接到民眾的一個反應就是說當時的資訊很混亂然後我們也沒有替代的方案致使很多民眾都擠爆了這個車站而且等很久所以像這樣子的事件你們有沒有做一個檢討那有沒有之後有沒有什麼應變就是精進的一個方案 |
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跟委員報告有的我們現在就是說像這個情況在電車線整個中斷的時候我們馬上會有一個接駁公路的接駁這一次沒有是不是有出奇有接駁但是我們這一次先單線雙向以後 |
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那我們就開始採取的這個措施這次不夠精進下一次我們會以這次為例我們會檢討我們會成立一個這個排班的小組把我們的整個班表做一個完整的這個調整然後會盡快的 |
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告訴我們車上的列車長還有我們車站的負責人讓我們的旅客知道我們未來下一步他應該做怎麼樣的搭車的一個選擇是 剛剛董事長說明了就是就事故發生之後的應變那我們是不希望再有這種狀況發生所以這一次的電力中斷有去了解到底是什麼 |
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這個是的我們了解主要的就是因為這個駕駛員沒有按照SOP進行他先發現我們的這個增幅電負器已經壞掉了再規定他應該停車下來然後去看我們的集電溝有沒有受損那受損的話我們就趕快要做進一步的調整但他沒有這樣做所以一路就把這個電車線一直扯扯了9.6公里大概是這樣 |
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好那我想就是說這個可能就是涉及到我們的這個教育訓練的部分那這個應該也要再加強是的是好那我再最後一個問題就好就是有關田中車站因為這也是最近接到很多民眾在反映因為施工很久了因為事實上在去年動工到現在那整個田中車站就是 |
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這個鷹架就是整個圍還有工程的這個施工的圍籬都圍住了那造成旅客進出不便那事實上在這個工程更早之前也因為電梯的這個工程真的就造成說這個田中車站好像經常在施工這樣好幾年了四年有了所以我覺得說這個工程要怎樣加快尤其這個我們年度的馬拉松就是都是十一月份要 |
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這個工程有沒有可能在11月的時候把這個圍籬鷹架拆掉包委員這個到目前的進度來看的話到11月我們還沒有辦法完全拆除那我們估計要到明年的1月但是我們會配合這個地方的這個活動盡量把正面也就是車站正面的這些相關的這個通道跟環境整理出來 |
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因為我們知道這個田中馬拉松也是國際性的賽事我們希望就是說讓國外來的旅客或者是外地來的參加這個馬拉松的跑者都能夠有好的印象我們謝謝陳素月委員的發言跟大家報告待會本席執行完畢我們就處理臨時提案黃建豪委員執行完畢我們就休息十分鐘接下來我們邀請何信淳委員發言 |
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我們有請陳部長 |
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部長我們都是台中隊所以你來自台中那我一向也以台中的交通建設以及問題為主來拜託跟要求您那我想這個交通的問題一定是中央地方大家一起合作吧才能夠讓一個城市不管在交通安全或者是交通建設裡面才能夠有 |
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顯著的進步顯著的進步需要花很大的力氣也必須奠基在一個準確的一個數據上所以接下來我想請教一下部長我們官方有說之前公布的台中的交通死傷人數居高不下那這個數據到底是怎麼來的 |
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部長您有知道我們交通部的官方數據都是怎麼來的按照我的理解你先說向委員報告這個官方的數據其實是不只是交通部也有地方政府也有警方各方面的數據綜合起來的 |
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所以我們對於這個所謂的交通部公佈全國各縣市包括六都各種死傷的人數其中交通部當然是公佈交通事故交通相關的死傷人數那這個來自警方來自各地方政府來自交通部自己本身有的數據對不對對沒錯 |
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好 那這個時候我就要問了如果其中有部分的這個數據來自於各地方政府以及警方的話那盧市長說對於交通部公布台中的交通死傷人數居高不下的這件事盧市長說這個叫做數據失真那我們交通部對於這四個字如何 |
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反映報告委員第一我認為數據失不失真這個我們交通部絕對有把握數據並沒有失真那如果盧市長覺得有其他的縣市誤報或者是謊報那請他提出哪一個縣市我們一定會去查明這是必然的那第二其實交通死傷的數據不需要去跟其他縣市來相比跟自己相比如果我們的交通的狀況是變得劣化那就要趕快去檢討 |
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趕快去檢討那如果變得好我們要找出好的原因持續把它做下去那我看到台中市的這個回答其實我身為台中市民我是擔心的面對整個數據劣化或者說交通的安全狀況劣化之後如果政府的作為是說數據不夠真實是因為我們太過誠實我覺得這個我作為市民我不太能接受我只希望作為市民我只希望交通變得更安全 |
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是 你看喔 這個台中市政府還很認真的直接發文來告訴交通部還有各單位說我們第三點 戲就有六案的死亡案情都跟交通事故沒有關聯喔是因為什麼死亡前30日很認真的解釋說曾經發生交通事故 所以列入 |
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我就覺得怎麼這麼用力而且認真的還直接正式發文呢來說我們的這個交通部公布的官方的數據是失真是可能不夠精準這個我是很納悶第一個納悶因為如果數據失真是直接用發公文來 |
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要求交通部澄清那也做了很多說明有時候我覺得越說明越會失焦啦那也許這個就是盧市長他想要的目的啦不然呢我們一般身為行政首長我看到的這個數字就如同部長您說的好吧我也不要跟各縣市比我跟我自己比 |
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我今年被公布的數據跟去年公布的數據到底是如何發展那如果是往這個居高不下發展越來越高我當然就要自我檢討看要如何改善啊如果有降低我可以跟所有的市民說我的努力所以呢我們的交通死亡事故呢是降低當中而且呢我們希望能夠的持續的降低能夠讓 |
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台中這個城市越來越安全論述應該是這樣子才對吧那不是咧 我們的盧市長說因為呢 我台中最誠實申報這個你看喔 這很矛盾的一件事喔他說他誠實申報 但是他又發公文跟你講說雖然我提供這個數據啊 是我誠實申報的數據但是呢 這個呢 其中有六案呢其實跟交通事故沒有關係我倒想要請盧市長回去問看看 那當時候他 |
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提出的申報最誠實的數據是誰來提供給交通部的 對不對 |
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數據也是地方政府提供的啊也是他們自己誠實申報啊那現在重整起來看到這個台中的交通死傷人數居高不下結果呢反而是怪數據失真那還說到其他縣市其他城市誤報不報錯報或言報所以讓他覺得不公平啦齁這個其他縣市有 |
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誤報、不報、錯報或言報這樣子的情況嗎我們交通部有沒有去問其他縣市報告委員其實全國都是一致性的標準那我們詢問的時間也都是一致性的所以我還是要強調就是說跟自己比不用跟其他縣市來相比跟自己比我們希望交通越來越安全死傷的數字可以在每個都市都能夠跟自己比的狀況底下越來越下降 |
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那裡面有提到以30日的事故的問題其實我們交通部也有做另外一項的精進那過去A30確實很多縣市有在反映但我們現在A1跟A30都會來提供所以兩邊的數據都可以提供給社會來看但重點是要跟自己比要有進步要有進步要更安全嘛那所以我以公車事故為例我之前也提過這個問題台中史商六都最高 |
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這個就是要自己要檢討嘛為什麼我們以公車事故剛剛是交通事故整體的一個比例現在呢以公車大型車這個事故為例公車事故台中的時尚也是六都最高啊數字是會說話的而且呢這些數字我想也不是只有台中市自己提供啊六都台北新北桃園台南高雄大家都有提供出來的數字啊這是公開透明的對不對部長是 |
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是嘛那像這種情形我就覺得台中市政府應該要告訴自己我要怎麼痛定思痛要來反省要來檢討要來做得更好做得更安全才對不是嗎好接下來我就要跟你講我也希望不是只有台中市政府自己努力啦我們交通部中央可以協助的部分我也覺得要拜託部長啊是 |
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找出我們預言所曾經呢以台中市的水南經貿園區跟台灣大道做一個實作的場域做了一個智慧交通的數位神經中樞的一個系統開發跟驗證實作那呢 112年呢就做好了而且也提出對台中交通的一個改善建議那我只是希望說中央我們不是只有研究計畫 |
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而已我們如何實質的透過你們講的5G、AIoT、AI、大數據、智慧控制系統的驗證等等這些要能夠落地要能夠大量的應用在我們的城市當中解決交通問題讓所有人車道各項措施能夠落實到位改善讓整個交通環境是安全的 |
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那部長我們對於這樣子的一個研究計畫我請交通部也請部長您承諾是不是可以再多給資源讓台中讓各個地方政府能夠真的有一套屬於自己的智慧交通的數位神經中樞我們台 |
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曾經有人說過啦去參觀智慧城市展的時候說台北是AI的大腦台中可以做AI的身體我是認為我們台中不是只有做AI打造身體之用而已台中也該屬於有自己的AI大腦台中自己的城市 |
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如何將AI真正應用在整座城市裡面各個層面這個就是我們台中是有底氣也是做得到的但是我也希望交通部中央可以來支持部長可以嗎好 報告委員台中市政府願意做這方面的改善跟精進交通部一定全力來支持好 那我想知道是運營所在這裡 |
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對於你112年就已經提出來對台中交通的一個改善的建議你看到目前為止台中市的各項改善有落實執行嗎 |
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來請說你的意見專業意見是跟委員報告事實上透過我們在台灣大道還有水南經貿園區確實在委員剛所說的實證的結果我們透過這樣的數位神經中樞然後去偵測預測的結果我們在擁設事件的前30分鐘就可以知道了所以台中市政府交通局非常清楚因此他也在那個台灣大道跟水南經貿園區 |
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然後去在30分鐘前然後下到他的所有的耗資的實質計畫裡面去可是你知道會展中心就在水南經貿園區會展中心呢 上個禮拜的工具機展整個塞爆整個塞爆停車嚴重不足然後呢 預警 你講的什麼預警系統完全沒有發揮功能 為什麼塞爆 |
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報告委員預警是預警但是預警之後的作為才是重點對啦部長我要的其實就是這一句話啦那我們中央拜託中央我們也來支持也來幫忙台中市政府好了啦如果他們自己不會做 |
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對不對我們都給了他改善也給了錢然後也給了資源那還是一樣的塞爆還是一樣的沒有改善其實重點就是在台中市政府地方政府自己到底有沒有真正的作為跟落實改善嘛對不對那我們要有這個智慧交通的一個這個 |
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智慧控制系統智慧交通不是只有口號是要落實要應用要真正發揮功能這個部分我會持續跟交通部要求希望能夠支持我們台中市好不好部長我們會協助台中市沒問題 |
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好 最後一個就只有一個地方建設這個請部長能夠積極有效率的加快腳步台63線銜接國道3號的一個系統高價化的一個案子這對我南台中部的入網是一個非常重要的最後一塊拼圖部長現在你們報行政院行政院轉國發會國發會又已經喊轉交通部了 |
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向委員報告 目前我們又把修正意見做好了 又回到行政院了我相信可行性研究可以很快的完成好 那再拜託了 好 謝謝好 謝謝何庭辰委員 我們現在請林俊憲召委發言好 謝謝主席 |
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本席邀請我們交通部陳部長來請陳部長我們中華電信的簡董事長簡董事長我們高鐵的施董事長施董事長 |
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委員好部長好部長我今天特別邀請兩位跟民眾生活關係最密切的兩位董事長中華電信還有我們台灣高鐵一起來探討幾個問題第一個問題 |
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我想我先請教中央電信簡董事長你有沒有知不知道這個事情就是台南亞太棒球場正式啟用報告委員知道3月29開幕戰當天這個整個台南亞太棒球場的區域轉播都斷了訊號全部都沒有網路因為我們的總統是棒球迷 |
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也是私迷總統賴清德他是全場看到我們都陪他我們都在那邊看球但是整整差不多四個小時三四個小時現場完全沒有手機訊號連總統旁邊的隨行助理市政府很多要聯絡事項的全部都沒有手機訊號一直到就是說 |
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總統看到球賽快結束總統要離開我們也陪同總統到總統的車隊上車已經在場外了當場還是完全沒有手機訊號擅長的時候當天幾乎滿座兩萬三千多位民眾出來很多民眾看到我就抱怨就在那邊罵沒辦法聯絡完全都沒有手機訊號 |
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聽說只有台哥大有啦中華電信案遠傳都沒有訊號那台哥大為什麼有訊號因為台哥大他有超檢部署啦他知道那天人會很多所以就開一台訊號出去啦所以正事啊現在職棒的球季已經開打經常性的會在台南的亞太棒球場來辦 |
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比賽啊不可以再有這種狀況請立刻改善來 董事長好 委員我給你報告我給你報告就是這個開賽我們知道大概容納兩萬五千人那天確實也剛好都是差不多兩萬四、兩萬五事實上中華電力之前 |
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我們在裡面就有20個細胞當時是有增加到32個細胞那確實因為人湧進來之後那個提供細胞的電力過熱所以細胞有時候飄來飄去所以那個訊號會斷斷續續確實當時有這個現象後來調適大概經歷了50幾分鐘好那這個現象已經發生後面我們要改善一步你內腔會不會曝光 |
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現在就是有採取三個動作啦一個就是細胞在增加第一個動作電力設備也在增加那另外就是行動車啦 |
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那另外4月10號也約了這個業主 應該是台南市政府因為現在職幫 因為職幫已經開打了台北大巨蛋 四萬的 多多都有信號台南球場只有兩萬五 應該不會造成容量太大 當機的問題市政府也約了4月10號在裡面再廠刊 再增加再請我們中華電信立刻改善好不好好 謝謝那接下來我會請教高鐵 |
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這高鐵的營運啊 服務啊 其實口碑都非常好啦那我接到唯一民眾抱怨最多 最詬病的 罵得最兇的就是行李空間不足像我幾乎把 我沒辦法啦 我把高鐵當捷運在上下班那我每次在高鐵上看到喔 |
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看到旅客推著搭行李撞來撞去 看到很抱歉因為真的找不到行李的置放空間這個問題也反映很久了 |
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我們希望高鐵能夠就盡快來改善其中我們在每一個車廂都有一個行李自放區最常發生的 我這都拿網友在網路上他們所投訴的問題基本上那個地方應該是要放大行李 |
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但是有的民眾因為方便嘛他到坐 要去他的坐位陣營喔經過那個行李區就把他的行李放了不管他的行李大或小所以有時候會看見幾個都是登機箱那個二十吋的小咖的就給他占滿了因為我們的行李區 置放區只有一層所以放的東西就沒有了那有的民眾喔 |
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就招來招去啦 這個車廂 下個車廂這樣找看有空間沒有啦如果沒有 沒有的 就抱著行李坐在位置上這個也是民眾拍的照片啦你看喔 那是長途搭高鐵啦他的腳部空間啊 抱一個大行李箱啊坐到中間啦 坐到腳抽筋啦那我們來看一下啦 我舉幾個例子 像日本喔 |
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日本就宣傳得非常好 你看那個座位上面的那個架 那真的是放行李的你看它擺滿的都是小的行李箱 日本人已經習慣了他設下行李 讓我們登機箱 他不會放在車廂平面的那個大行李室放去 他會放在位置上面 |
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我們的旅客基本上還很少有這樣的一個概念我認為這個要加強宣傳你看日本甚至於你大行李你要先預約空間還收錢你看大行李去給你放還要你收錢我們再看一下你看韓國韓國是在兩個車廂之間它都設為行李置放區 |
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其實我們車廂跟車廂中間 廁所位置不算我們車廂跟車廂中間其實還有空間看能不能立刻改善再來 你看台鐵台鐵的行李區 它現在坐在地上台鐵這個做法其實非常有效 你知道嗎 |
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我們的行李區就是說因為你現在放電影你沒有第二層你沒有上面這個鐵架沒有第二層你就沒有空間放了一般人就不會說把我的行李放在你的行李廳裡所以罵就罵了但台鐵那做這個鐵架我們去看就很多小行李廂 登機廂20吋的那種一直放在第二層把下面的空間讓給大行李區 |
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我覺得這個行李問題現在迫切很多民怨要趕快解決 要馬上來解決那未來我們高鐵新訂製的車廂 |
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更應該要把行李置放列為一個重要的設施我們請教董事長好 謝謝你的關心我想行李置放它確實是這幾年應該是全世界這個大家人移動的習慣的改變因為台灣一年有超過一千萬人是出國所以現在大行李 |
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大家高鐵的旅客非常多事實上包括連國內的營運都攜帶大量的行李所以我想大概採用兩個方面來解決第一個就是有關於既有行李架的雙層化在新車以及舊車我們都會同步的要求那也會在明年上路第二個就是我要坐個美女喔拜託你 |
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第二個就是說這個我們這個宣導大家民眾事實上是要把小型行李放在這個整車架上這個部分我們也會來進行我想這整體是有賴於台灣人也有功德心有的人只是不注意沒想到或者說他的方便所以經過行李區他的小行李也放在那你如果加強宣導 |
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是或者是我們的台鐵工作人員可不可以也幫民眾把小行李就放在行李車上面對 我們會來全面性的來進行這個宣導我想這個是乘車禮儀我們接下來的一個重點我想大家有賴於大家互相以及我們在設備上的改進一起來促成來達成 好謝謝你說到明年我是覺得你也當逐步來改善立刻就可以做了因為這個雙程車廂 |
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這你要先走啦我們是逐步改善 但是三十四組雙城的行李置放 要在這讓先走啦有在走啦 但是三十四組車要全部完成要到明年啦 好不好 好了解喔謝謝 謝謝兩位董事長 謝謝部長好 謝謝我們您現在召委那我們也想謝謝部長跟兩位董事長好 那 |
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我們現在處理臨時提案 請議事人員一併宣讀 |
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臨時提案一 媒體報導 臺灣世西工程顧問股份有限公司高層已有巨額獎金異常方放之情勢鑒於臺灣世西承攬多項國家重大工程 其內部治理良宇與預算運用效率直接影響公共工程品質及政府形象 原此請交通部針對臺灣世西公司有關高層獎金是否違法 |
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違法發放進行行政調查與追究應否移送檢調以及企業總部與中辦購置與裝潢預算失控一事釐清原因並請於一個月內向本委員會提出書面報告提案委員黃建豪魯明哲邱若驊 |
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二 鑑於現行汽車駕駛人於路邊停車或倒車入庫時多有開啟危險警告燈雙黃燈以警示周遭用路人之習慣難應現行道路交通安全規則與道路交通管理處罰條例對於燈號使用之規範較為僵化導致事務上頻繁發生駕駛人應開啟雙黃燈替代方向燈而遭裁罰之爭議 |
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敬請交通部會同相關部會演繹修正違反道路交通管理事件統一裁罰基準及處理細則第12條將停車過程中開啟雙黃燈且未造成具體妨礙之行為明確納入先行勸導項目是否有當敬請公決提案委員洪孟凱 陳雪生 邱若驊 廖先祥 |
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三嘉義市鐵路高架化工程完工後可打破東西區長期的交通阻隔後續橋下空間的規劃與利用請交通部及台鐵公司審慎規劃橋下空間並充分納入地方需求與民眾意見請納入應對年輕人設置攀岩場滑板場等極限運動之運動場所二對小孩子應有多元安全之 |
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遊戲設施3.因應嘉義市高齡人口增加規劃適合長輩使用的體建設施4.針對家庭設置類似鐵馬休息站等可供全家都能使用之空間以上建議之相關設計規劃請於一個月內提送交通委員會及提案委員辦公室提案委員陳素月李坤澤林俊憲王美惠 |
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4.針對嘉義市文化路沿嘉義郵局整修及再利用計畫進度延宕為回應嘉義市民對該歷史建築活化及當地發展需求請交通部與中華郵政就本案提出具體辦理期程且就執行進度進行專案管考 |
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並確保再利用計畫應將郵局歷史文化與嘉義地方活動與特產相結合並能提供檢疫郵政與金融服務相關辦理情形請於一個月內提送交通委員會及提案委員辦公室提案委員陳素月李坤澤林俊憲王美惠宣讀完畢好謝謝各位委員那現在我們主案來討論第一案我們各位委員有沒有意見 |
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好那我們行政單位有沒有意見來請發言召委各位委員就提案的內容在倒數第四行倒數第四行最後這一段原此請交通部針對世西公司是不是請示召委是不是可以調整為請交通部督請中華財團法人中華顧問工程師針對台灣世西公司好 |
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交通部的意見是希望修改文字是就是說在倒數第四行改為請交通部督促是不是督請督請中華官法人中華顧問中華顧問公司針對台灣市區公司那接下來好那各位委員有沒有意見好黃教授也同意好那本案就就照修正通過好 第二案各位委員有沒有意見 |
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好我們兩位好謝謝召委我想這個前一陣子如果說大家有看到交通新聞如果說或是說大家現在可以google一下這個路邊停車然後雙黃燈應該有看到可以看到不少的討論那就是實務上目前路邊停車按照警方的說法打雙黃的警示燈它是違規的應該要打反向燈的但實務上大家有停車我知道大家應該也都 |
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習慣應該都會打雙黃燈來實際上大家在停車的時候在路上看到方向燈大家會認為說是不是要到下一個路口轉彎那其實會是一個續行的一個狀態那因為停車他一定是先停在路邊他才有可能到車路過或路邊停車所以說在打雙黃警示燈的時候他反而是更能夠警示車輛他會有驟停的一個情形反而更能提升安全 |
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那我想所有的道路的一些規範規則一定都是為了提升道路交通安全來做規範的那如果說這樣子的行為符合大家開車的一個常態的行為那同時對交通安全應該是有幫助的話那是不是在這個裁罰計程上面去給他做一些調整讓他是可以算是可勸導的項目那如果說未來那個規定要不要改那再說那短期間內可以先從那路勸導下面開始來做以上 |
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好 謝謝廖委員好 交通部這邊有沒有意見我們遵事辦理好 那本案就召喚通過好 第三案各位委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話召喚通過第四案各位委員有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見的話照案通過接下來我們繼續進行臨時提案處理完畢如果委員對上述提案補簽列入紀錄並刊登公報我們繼續進行詢答接下來我們邀請黃建豪召委發言好謝謝主席主席我們要先請交通部陳部長請陳部長 |
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委員好部長好部長一開始當然真的剛剛一個臨時提案喔這個雙黃燈使用規範我們來做個是非題啦路邊臨停的時候可以打嗎目前的法規不行那突發情況緊急減速的時候可以打嗎緊急減速煞車燈自然會亮起 |
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可以嗎你們說可以啦我們問過你們說可以沒關係這就是大家認知不同部分沒關係車輛故障的時候可以打嗎可以 |
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那遇到大霧或大雨以致前方視線不良的時候可以打雙黃燈嗎這個是開霧燈開霧燈嘛 所以不行嘛沒有後霧燈才可以開嘛 對不對那路邊停車到車前用示警後方來車這時候可以打嗎打方向燈才是正確的打方向燈才可以嘛 不能打雙黃燈嘛禮貌的回應他車讓道可以打嗎 |
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應該是不行 不行 好部長不愧是交通部長基本上你的答案都是對的就是除了剛剛我們這個緊急簡述的認知不太一樣之外但是我們要提到這個部分這個在交通道道交條例第42條只要誤打的或者說認知不同的他的裁罰標準不依規定使用燈光就是法1200以上3600元以下的罰款那我們今天跟提出來這個討論其實不管 |
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哪一種情況我們要先討論說到底這個規範是要適應民情還是要加強這個宣導就像剛剛部長你提到的幾個問題以這個突發情況緊急減速或者是我們經常在路邊停車的時候我們打方向燈法規上說要打方向燈但實際上怎麼樣很多人當然會打雙閃燈那被檢舉那就被罰錢了嘛 |
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那他本來的原因當然是希望說能夠警示後方說我這邊要停車或等等的所以來打這個警示燈因為打方向燈會有什麼問題因為打方向燈除非你一次倒車路過或一次路邊停車方向盤轉一次就成功了不然你那個方向燈會跳回去耶那又會被檢舉所以我覺得這個法規應該要重新的來去檢討怎麼樣適用包含剛剛信箱委員提案的那個部分 |
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法規怎麼改或是說這個階段是用心勸導然後去了解一下真實的使用規範原來包含說像第六點這個禮貌回應他社交道我們常常在快速道路高速公路上切車道的時候看到前車跟我們感謝就打雙紅燈我如果檢舉他 |
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他要說謝謝喔 我可以檢舉他啊12366都是罰燈就來了所以這部分交通部的立場有沒有願意去做相關的檢討跟改善報告委員這方面的規定其實是跟世界的這個標準是一致的燈號的使用這個世界有一定的標準所以我們符合世界的這個一致的規範但是委員所提的這個很務實 |
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一般民眾到底理解或不理解我相信一般的民眾用車開車的習慣我自己也開車有一些確實跟我們一般的習慣是不太一樣所以我覺得考駕照的時候要大家讀到這麼細也有點困難所以我認為這個部分規範的部分依據國際的標準但在執法的過程我們希望以勸導為優先我們所理解的其實警方不會主動來抓這方面 |
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那但是如果有民眾檢舉的時候我們也期待說警方是不是用勸導作為優先至少讓民眾知道說這樣子的做法可能不符合我們目前的規定那以後就要注意因為我想還是要討論就是還是要回到法規回到法規本身當初立這個法或是這個燈號我們在開設的時候打任何不管左轉燈右轉燈這個警示燈 |
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他的目的是什麼嘛今天車子設計這個警示燈比如說我們放我會在這個時刻有人會在路邊臨停的時候打警示燈或在後到車的時候打警示燈或是禮貌的回應他車讓道我們都很清楚他的用意他不是為了違規或他甚至他是故他是刻意的去做這件事情結果他是違規的所以我覺得在宣導上面或在法規在這個質疑上面應該要有一個平衡啦 |
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要回到原意嘛他不是故意要違規他不是就他打了這幾次並不會造成交通事故吧沒錯好不好這部分所以交通部目前條就是往勸導的方向去執行對我們希望可以用勸導讓民眾能夠理解好部長謝謝那接下來我想最近國人很關心所謂的汽車安全的問題我想這兩天這新聞都非常大 |
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好有的車子也獲得這個TNCAP的這個認證五顆星那有的車已經上市了但是呢這個平等是零顆星那零顆星呢當然他們就回應說他們的車體結構很堅實而且所有等級車款都通過國家嚴謹安全審驗並取得安全審驗合格證他講的也沒有錯他確實有取得所以他才能上市嘛那問題來了 |
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這個當初安全誰合格證不是你們給的可是這個TNCAP是交通部的指導下的規範你們是為了行車安全也肯定這件事情沒錯可是為什麼同樣都是國家標準前面的可以上市的標準長這樣子那後面我們TNCAP給出來的這個 |
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的撞擊測試報告裡面它的特定車款它的這個平等這麼低就變成有兩套標準那麼未來能不能要求說至少上市前你要先做過這個測試再上市才可以保障用路人的安全還是說就是繼續按照現行的規範我先上市了我們再後續再來做那如果講白了這一定會造成特定車廠他們的營業有受到衝擊那就沒有意思了所以這個問題 |
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這個安全標準能不能在上市前就先做到還是一定要上市之後我才能做這個實行工作好 報告委員我是不是請局長來回答一下 |
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這個部分跟委員報告一下剛剛講的一個部分的話就是TNCAP的部分它是一個市場評價比這個國家這個強制要求應該要符的標準是更高的標準那所有剛剛委員有提到就是說車輛要上市銷售之前必須要取得審驗合格證明這個部分要符合的法規基本上就是要聯合國的法規跟歐盟跟這個日本跟韓國都這個一致 |
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那現在也就是說有一些這個做TNCAP的那個標準有一些是強制法規沒有那有一些是他要求的標準比強制法規這個標準還要高所以這個評價起來就會有一顆星兩顆星三顆星到五顆星不等的這樣子的一個這個情況 |
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那最近有一個車型它裡面就是說評價的這個結果這個不太好的一個這個部分的話那這裡面如果說有涉及到不是強制法規要做要求而是車子本身設計可能在於品質管理有一些瑕疵這個部分的話那就必須實施這個預警預警性的這個召喚所以現在部裡面也在做這件事情部長 局長你們剛剛講當然線型當然就是長這樣子我也清楚知道說你們 |
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但是問題就是說今天以這個車型為例今天看到大家看到那個影片他是連椅子都會飛出去嘛 |
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就是安全帶也沒有什麼作用嘛那未來這個事情我們在上市前有沒有辦法提高到就是說如果今天它是符合你講的法定的標準它才能出場然後我們後面再做市場上的評價那至少基本的安全都要有啊但是現在至少看起來這個狀況是在第一階段它的基本的安全都沒有看起來是沒有做到的才會有這個評鑑零分的狀況產生那我們今天要問的是說 |
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這個TNCP相關的標準能不能部分的就是至少在安全性上主動安全性上把它列入在一開始出廠的法定標準裡面這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下譬如說它這個大概涉及到這個實車碰撞項目的部分那實車碰撞的部分現行這個法規強制要求已經有了那但是在這個TNCAP的部分的話它要求是相對是比較高是相對這個更高車速更快 |
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所以基本我剛剛才一直跟我們報告就是說就國際通用的法規在這個十幾公里要求的這個膨脹他一定要符合才能夠上市銷售那現在在TN CAP要求到56公里這個部分比較相對比較高標準的部分的話他測試出來的一個市場評價確實是不如其他的部分 |
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但是針對這樣子的一個情況的話就是陳委員講的部分未來在這個審驗端對於車廠品質一致性管控這個部分應該是有一些可以檢討再來做加強謝謝有辦法你們真的不要把這列入不然真的這個消費者沒保障因為這個車款都已經賣很久了我想也是車銷售量非常高那對消費者是一個很大的影響我覺得這個如果交通部能夠事前把這個標準放進去我覺得未來 |
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有機會比較能夠保障到這個駕駛人 好不好好 我們加強事前的審驗好 那在接下來最後一題也是這個我快速講一下這個世襲的問題當然這個世襲問題會被揭露也是因為現在董事長本來發了公開信提到說過去可能之前的董事長 之前的主管層級或之前的顧問去領了這個相關的這個經費那我們這邊也取得相關的這個內部的會議資料 會議報告 |
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金額當然這個前顧問這是之前的高層領了上千萬的這個獎金領走了那當然目前世襲的這個說法是說他們覺得追回就好因為在相關的本來的會議中也提到過去在獎勵辦法在個人獎勵的部分對董事長對顧問等等他其實本來的規範是沒有的那我不知道前面發生什麼事情為什麼這個顧問或相關的這些主管能夠把這麼高額的獎金領走那現在看起來 |
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繳回就沒事了但是呢我想四期工程喔是交通部雖然你們沒有直接持股啦但是你們基本上也都是百分之百持股因為你們轉頭再轉頭嘛都算百分之百的關股啦但是說這樣子的狀況下面 |
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有這麼奇怪的問題發生那到底交通部立場有什麼有沒有要移送減掉還是說大家把錢繳回就不算就沒事了會有這個問題報告委員這個部分其實我們世西公司之前也經過一個很詳盡的調查 |
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那之前的這個幹部跟這個公司的同仁有這個領的獎金的部分程序不完備的部分那所以他們公司決定說以繳回的方式來處置那這個部分也已經繳回這個部分已經繳回我知道因為我要講說所以我要問部長的意思部長的態度嗎不該領的就不要領因為這個前面領的是未經董事會同意他就把這個錢去領走也沒有相關的規定那如果這樣 |
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今天會提出來說他如果單純就是民營公司,那可能他們公司內部董事會沒意見,那大家就沒意見那現在世新你是最大股東,貴部是最大股東,可能也是唯一股東啦在這個情況下面,你作為最大股東,你對於這樣的狀況,你會覺得前腳就算了嗎?還是說應該要去處理,不管背信也好,這可能沒有貪汙啦,但是可能有背信的問題,因為他完全沒有相關的機制 |
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去授權他去領這個錢那還有包含說裡面這些腐爛的報價包含大家媒體也揭露了嘛這個企業總部本來預計要買多少錢後來因為只剩多少只剩兩千兩千多萬所以我就用兩千二兩千多億我就用兩千多億去做對不起口誤本來預算這個要買的裝潢是四千萬 |
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買完房地產之後 三不多錢 剩兩千多萬他說好 那兩千多萬就夠了就是你從頭到尾預算你的實施跟你的預算是搭嘎的那這樣虛報因為講真的 我在講的是如果他是純粹民營公司 那他們家的事情但是因為今天世新工程是 |
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中澳交通部100%持股雖然你們沒有直接持股但是就是100%持股的狀態下這個交通部的立場是什麼向委員報告針對公司治理的部分應該要更詳盡的部分我們已經請世襲公司做檢討而他們內部的這個規範也已經做了改變那所以未來可以避免這樣的狀況發生那另外針對這個是否有法律上的問題其實我們有跟請世襲公司跟法律的專業人士還有他們自己內部的法治單位 |
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那這個部分是目前還沒有跟我說要做這個司法上面的追溯所以 |
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他們就算了是不是我要確定這件事情交通部也覺得沒關係目前兩關一個是世西工程本身公司裡面的法務的部分去做監管第二個他的控股公司其實是中華顧問工程師財政法院中華顧問工程師他們裡面也有做過法律上面的研析那目前就是朝向先把經費追回那建構一個更完整的公司治理的機制 |
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好 不然部長 反正剛臨時提案也提到了你們要請這個中央顧問中心去提出相關報告讓我們後續看報告結果怎麼樣我們再追後面的狀況了 好不好好 謝謝委員部長 謝謝好 我們謝謝黃建豪 趙偉的發言好 那現在開始我們休息十分鐘 |
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鸡蛋糕 |
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謝謝觀看 |
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香蕉 |
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by bwd6 |
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好 我們現在繼續開會接下來我們邀請魯明哲委員發言好 謝謝趙偉邀請我們交通部陳部長好 請陳部長高速公路局陳局長陳局長部長 局長各位好 |
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好直接切入主題首先第一個問題是左邊那個新聞把它弄得比較小一點看標題應該看得到了就是在兩年前7月21號一個標題是塞道暴內栗南下的渣道劃了將近一公里的雙白線那當時這個民怨四起因為事前沒有溝通可能因為高速公路嘛也不用跟誰溝通就把它劃上那劃上了把 |
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內立交流道因為有從中立大園兩個交流道要上去的 渣道就把它關起來了大概關了900公尺那事實上我們也跟高速公路局開過協調會也透過交通委員會質詢更跟我們高工局甚至我們交通部也在聯絡這個問題必須要去解決最後得到一個答案說中方交流道中方交流道 |
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上路之後上路之後因為道路本身就會拓寬開放之後對當時的一個整個站碑道都會改善那時候就可以去做一個處理了那現在因為去年的12月25我們迎接了中峰這個 |
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交流道的啟用那現在也三個月了三個月到底現在這個我再問那個那天問局長說你們也在考慮看看怎麼樣有什麼建議方案那現在能不能確認一下好不好大概什麼時候可以調整要不要調整說明一下像委員報告這個部分高工局這邊已經有做過會刊那也決定要做調整那調整的時間是不是請局長這邊 |
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我們因為它是兩個就是說南入的閘道其實蠻接近的那這一次中風交通道通車之後我們也做了整體的這個交通量的一些做一些調整也做一些調查那所以就是說我們就是第一個從這個內立上來的這個南入環道的這一個的雙排時限 |
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我們要做一些調整把它縮短讓從這邊上來的交通量的話就可以直接併入主線然後不用到前面就是說從大園進來的才要整個合併再進來那這一個的調整的話這個我們大概 |
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大概有多久我們當初估是大概因為三月份有去做大概的一個評估所以大概三個月是到六月不過我有請同仁就是說能不能盡快在下個月我們下個月五月底以前把它完成好 那要拜託一下是就是說因為 |
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可以做而且已經決定要做了我們就希望速度能夠快一點當然不影響到這個交通你們是深夜去把它做一下因為畢竟只有標線的問題你們可能部分路段要重鋪重新劃線讓我們這個區塊因為內地交通道一直是我們桃園南區非常重要的交流道它不光是附近的大概幾十萬個我們的市民更重要還是中壢工業區中壢工業區500家廠商 |
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那邊不管是機械電子甚至食品批發都在那裡他要撲過到全台灣往南下的車流非常非常多已經困擾很久了所以這個部分也拜託部長局長要做我們就盡快來做好不好我們加速來進行好那接下來我們要談一下台鐵公司 |
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台鐵公司這個民營化因為我正好有經過民營化那個討論的一個激烈的過程當時因為這個我們畢竟陳部長那時候還沒有擔任交通部部長那在台鐵公司化當時主要的一個目標你們要達成的我們 |
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2024第一年不好意思問你第二年也過了現在2026邁向第三年第三個年頭那就請教一下當時你昭告我們所有的全民不光是立法委員三大核心目標第一個安全第一安全沒有什麼打折扣我當時也質詢過很多 |
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那為什麼公司化之後你們就會這個安全會提升你們有很多的說法嘛因為你們自由度啊人才找很多專家你們有很多的一個說法那第二個是提升服務的準點率第三個今天不談啦改善財務的結構但財務的結構我事先講喔我們立法院也好我們全國這個 |
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只要坐火車的國民在去年的六月份你們調高平均的一個票價26.8%我也坦白講大家也說這麼多年沒調了要你們做好 |
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那把你們的一些票價補足我是覺得那一陣子並沒有很多很大的一些民怨大家就好給你們讓你們的財務先做一個改善那我覺得你這個董事長你說一下好不好你覺得三大目標你覺得你打幾分啊 |
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這個分數可能還是要由民眾來打分那你是覺得我是跟委員報告就是說在安全方面我們當然是台鐵的天子一定要把安全做好 |
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那在這部分的話,我是覺得如果說以異常事件來看那麼前一年的話,第一年的時候是271件那去年我們少了103件那今年的話,我們現在也朝這個目標大概一個禮拜大概是11件、12件在努力 |
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那這一部分的話呢我是去年六月上來那從七月開始啊我在這部分呢要求我們所有的一級主管包括最主要的是跟安全有關係的公務 電務 機務跟運務那這個主管一個對 |
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可能對安全有問題的異常事件多做深切的檢討那這樣下來以後從去年七月一個禮拜大概是二十幾件我跟委員報告我們現在最近已經到可規則的事件大概只到八件、九件但十件以內所以這部分我是覺得是有很大的一個進步 |
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但是所以在第二點準點力的部分的話其實也是有幫忙但是最近幾個事情可能把大家都認為說台鐵的準點力又把大家拖垮了董事長這樣好了因為我時間的關係因為其實我覺得交通部希望借重你在高鐵的一些經驗能夠來到我們的台鐵雖然那個 |
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實在是那邊比較單純路線單一車型也單一你到了台鐵之後完全不一樣車型那麼多不容易啦可是我覺得安全第一你剛剛講頻率改善它的強度你可能單一事件一鍵就好了那讓全民的感受我覺得安全跟準點服務我覺得現在民眾的感受並不是很好我希望你們能夠知道這是我在去年12月29號 |
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這個當時是我們總經理嘛你來回答的嘛我那時候就在問說這個因為急電工造成的不管電車線交互的影響受損程度從109年到去年啊114年怎麼越來越多那你當時一個特別回答我們全縣每天都在做這個檢查那我們也願意相信啦我們也希望拜託啦要做要做好嘛 |
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要做要做實戰不能說 喔 檢查了那你現在這很我剛剛這個其他表都是我去年12月29號跟你請教的結果你3月27號你發生這樣的在三家站附近讓樹林英哥整個那邊斷線 |
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而且修了特別久 修了將近到中午之後才單線雙向通車就影響到 居然是比我們去年在執行的不管是影響了班次 影響了人數尤其延誤的時間超過兩萬分鐘甚至有一個站車輛延誤310分鐘你們知道嗎 本來要坐上班的 |
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結果他等到下班了我覺得光這一件事的感受這個強度由於對準點相對的安全的印象我覺得是真的很不行了那這個董事長我想你們真的要好好再檢討一下還是總經理再回答一下那急電工就是每天都在檢查對不對你也承諾了跟委員報告這個急電工的問題這一次是一個急電工造成的問題 |
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但是今天主要是因為這個駕駛員他沒有按照SOP他的急電工有狀況的時候他的VCP就是所謂的這個空調電路器他應該要趕快下來看是不是急電工有造作他不應該再開他繼續再開所以就從這個一路從樹林一直到英哥那邊大概搞了大概9.6公里 |
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所以就造成整個沿路的這個電車線都下來所以就造成在我們修路上非常的困難這個弄到我們部長都震怒了震怒了可是因為這個問題你不解決因為我覺得有一些是人為的問題有一些是市都的問題 |
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我看到你好幾件事都是有double check的機制不管是有這個檢修人員或者司機員有好幾一堆人要看這件事情然後一樣在一堆人面前把這個事情搞砸你們讓這兩件事情讓那個這個EMU最美電聯車現在變不美了你知道嗎你現在最美區間車3月30號七五吊撞在一起了你知道前面那個 |
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微笑的曲線那一天啊變成什麼剩下那個凹陷曲線不見了 剩下凹陷有趣的凹陷在這整個那個過程中而且比剛剛那個來講是司機員 檢修員你在這件事情在吊車場裡面有第一個吊車員第二個司機員第三個至少三名的吊車工配合吊車工第四個還有監控的巡控人員四組人叫做分工合作 |
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合作到這樣的我覺得已經有double check你到底制度上出了什麼問題就是說簡單來說如果是真的只有一個人的出了意外互相監督居然在制度上系統上沒有辦法解決我真的覺得這個部長說三天以內 |
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你要有一個明確的答案而且真的要落實到教育這種我覺得都是不應該的低級的錯誤但是不斷的發生那最後請部長你來講一下 |
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報告委員非常感謝您的關心我覺得安全是最重要的我們所有的同仁的訓練是很重要的這是第一第二我們的SOP一定是有設定但第三如果同仁沒有照SOP在做的時候台鐵的問責文化也必須要啟動因為我們有看到一些事件其實不只是造成旅客的不方便更重要的是造成我們自己的同仁受傷不照SOP的結果就會造成我們的同仁受傷或者是像這個列車線把電線拉斷的問題 |
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所以我認為台鐵一方面他們的SOP要重新檢討二方面對SOP的落實如果無法做到那台鐵公司的問責文化也必須要啟動好 謝謝謝謝委員好 非常感謝魯明正委員的發言好 接下來我們邀請程學生委員發言好 謝謝主席 |
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中華郵政王國宅董事長老部長向你請安,沒事中華郵政簡董中華電信簡董來,請你上來一下不要偷懶,跑步跑一下主席謝謝 |
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簡董那個二號海欄又斷了是不是三號二號已經斷了五月底會修好什麼時候修好五月底會不會有影響通訊馬祖的通訊沒有影響因為二號三號因為三號現在還活著對三號活著對二號斷了二號斷了現在正在修二號老到牙了嘛二號已經差不多快二十年了對 |
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10069.023 |
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快90歲了沒問題吧現在現在通訊沒問題那縱使3號是前兩天因為施工又弄了一些沒有斷沒斷24星有12星弄障礙還12星還通著所以現在馬祖的通訊沒問題那縱使2號3號都斷了我們微波12.6G還可以啟動目前是沒有啟動好了好了好了這個注意一下好不好 |
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不要我們老太太、老先生帶著孫子到你們中華電力門口去排隊等啊因為只有那邊才收得到訊號啊是是那跟委員報告四號海嵐應該六月底如果順利六月底會在環公社我知道我知道謝謝你辛苦了主席就請交通部陳部長好我們請陳部長委員好好久沒見了 |
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10096.896 |
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10119.12 |
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不會啦有沒有一點想念嗎?前兩個禮拜才去您辦公室有來嗎?有,我有去我前兩週才去您辦公室那個大橋啊大橋還是幫我們注意一下好不好預算有,一直都在追蹤那如果有新的進度也會向您報告我前幾天打電話給您聽說院長要去馬祖我們縣長知道院長要去馬祖 |
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沒有接到說要請他吃飯來幹什麼餐廳有訂因為他在馬祖堡幹什麼我全部都會知道的啦對不對不要警察知道也不要國安系統我本人就是國安系統我幾乎都會知道的也沒邀請我去啊也沒邀請我去他邀請我就會去,不要邀請我就不去我覺得這是一個尊重的問題嘛我也打電話去越南辦公室越南辦公室說 |
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有通知你就有通知你,沒通知你就沒通知你,我說好反正現在院長總統都很大我們小老百姓,請你幫我轉告好不好以前再也是好朋友,現在再吵了反而變成一定要臉紅脖子粗嗎是不是我也沒砍你預算,也沒罵過你本人,也沒罵過你交通部也沒砍過你交通預算對不對那你已經七年了,大橋的預算不給我 |
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你看誰有人好惹的話你就惹一下嘛我沒意見現在跟你談親民廉價輸運都準備好了沒有報告委員其實我們全國的輸運計畫都已經準備好了那您所提的航空跟海運的部分我們也都準備好了 |
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不過你們ABC計畫每一次尤其對離島啊你們準備的是非常的周到啦尤其軍方啊軍方那個西凹山洞他們現在更配合的非常的好只要民防局有公文到那個國防部去他們速度都很快這一點請您啊 |
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交通部這邊也花點公關費,有時候跟人家也要參敘一下慰問人家的辛勞我們該做的,我們縣政府也會做好不好我們不會失禮啦好不好清明這個書記的事情請您拜託一下好沒問題請民防局我們何局長上來好不好何局長檢何局長部長你了解 |
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| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10259.421 |
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W-8跟W-2空中航線的因果關係嗎?你瞭解嗎?W-2跟W-8跟軍方有關係最近我發現這個整個的航道從去年12月到1、2、3 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
10273.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
10296.867 |
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以前我們當然我們主航道是W2那副航道是W8那麼這四個月以前都是99%飛W8航線W8航線什麼好處呢?可以節省十分鐘可以節省十分鐘那現在從去年12月是78%1月72% |
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10301.84 |
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二月七十八三月就剩下六十九齁那麼這不是常態吧應該如果說演習的話齁中共那枚飛機在我們環島在演習很早就演習演習好幾年啦是不是那為什麼這四個月齁比較有一些狀況那軍方盡量能夠開放它就開放啦您如果不知道的話是不是請何局長回答我 |
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像委員報告W2它是民航為主那W8是軍方為主不過過去因為我們這個直航的部分路線W8比較短所以我們都會去申請那不過以國防部的使用為優先過去核給我們的這個比例很高那現在他們有一些演訓的問題所以它比例有稍微降低一點不過我們走W2也是可以不過時間會稍微拖長一點 |
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好 請何局長您是否了解更深入的跟我們回答一下跟委員報告確實這個就是其實因為他是會經過這個R9的限航區那如果軍方有演訓的話那基本上一定是軍方演訓優先他就不會同意我們的民航機去用這個W8的這個航路 |
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那W2確實是稍微有一點彎繞就像剛剛委員講的大概要多個十分鐘那這個部分我想也是軍方延續需求要不然我們看前面幾個月其實都高達到97% 96%等等那所以說這部分我們也會再跟軍方來密切保持聯繫如果說他們這個延續需求不需要的時候是不是就盡量給我們民航機來使用我想這邊跟軍方那邊多聯繫一下嘛好不好 |
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因為現在因為戰爭的問題油料持續上漲昨天我去加個油本來都加一千二現在加到一千八了我一下漲了六百塊你看一下韓國現在補貼油價他們要給民眾一萬二很像多少部長有沒有這個打算 |
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其實油價的漲幅大部分已經中油有吸收了所以政府大概會透過中油吸收的部分來做補貼不會再給老闆印錢目前沒有聽到行政院有這樣的規劃不要行政院,你叫他們不要有建議你沒有建議行政院哪有院長那麼厲害全部都知道你們要給他提供好的建議因為大部分都已經中油有吸收了尤其這種建議會加分另外部長我請教 |
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鄭麗文,中國國民黨鄭麗文主席是在去大陸啦我們不要一直給他唱紅嘛我們現在不是觀光啊什麼都斷掉了嗎聽說他們來我們這邊觀光還在阻撓人家又這個缺這個缺那個一大堆啊有沒有什麼議題如果執政黨不跟反對黨去藉著他去跟習近平習主席見面的機會 |
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丟出一些東西我們丟個橄欖枝也可以啊是不是會有一些好的建議你不方便給他你交給我好不好我來請鄭主席幫忙提一下嘛是不是我們的建議很簡單如果中國方面願意用小兩會來跟我們做這個觀光方面的溝通其實速度就很快了很好啊你不要老是人家還沒去就講說哎呀你繼續講啊我們台灣國怎麼樣的啊幹什麼一邊一國啊什麼的你去講這個幹什麼去這邊去 |
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弄和平的嘛,不是要去吵架的啊,是不是你同意嗎?不要警告啊,鄭主席啊,你姓名啊如果講錯話啦,回來要關五年喔不要恐嚇人家嘛,這個就不好啦,是不是不需要嘛,我們為了台灣好嘛,是不是我們拿到希望打仗嗎,是不是好不好,你有好的像這個觀光,小兩會如果能夠復攤啊 |
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這也是正面的好不好好那最後一個問題那個何局長請回去航港局上次說那個備援船進度怎麼樣要做一條那個藍色公路藍色公路這個構想非常好啊尤其現在日本我去過日本他們跳島還有現在很多的郵輪郵輪也在跳島 |
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10569.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
10577.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
非常好的一個公安活動啊如果這條船在被淵船買了它可以跑澎湖金門馬祖對不對 |
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10579.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
10607.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
那甚至風浪大的時候都可以救援是沒錯然後平常沒用的話我們東引那邊的交通也可以幫忙解決非常好的事情希望你積極的部長積極推動好不好市長委員報告我們在1月30號已經報到行政院那我們預計希望能夠在118年底能夠交船來正式營運院長的態度怎麼樣我想院長是支持這個藍色公路的建制跟備援船的建制 |
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| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
10627.294 |
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好,你趁著院長現在還在,他支持這個案子的院長,你要很積極的去做,可能院長下台了嗎?他跑掉了,你要去找新的院長,就很麻煩了,好不好?主席你要趕人嘛,趕快走,我去下台吧公送陳捲生委員謝謝委員好,謝謝陳捲生委員的發言 |
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10635.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
10653.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
好 接下來我們邀請邱若驊委員發言謝謝主席 主席先請台灣高鐵使者董事長我們請高鐵 高鐵總經理那董事長請假我們請總經理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
10685.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
總經理好 那今天要跟你討論的是 剛才稍早 趙薇今天也有提出關心嘛就是 本席這邊有看到2025年高鐵的全年運量是8207萬人次那高鐵平均每日的運量是 也有高達22萬人次嘛那我們最近也看到 看到國際機場 2026年它最新的入境人數是418萬 出境也有432萬 |
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10687.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
那春節連假當日也超過16萬人次 228的連假也有15萬人次嘛不管是通勤還是前往桃園機場 很多民眾都是選擇搭乘高鐵那列車搭行 行李放置空間不足的問題 那長期也普遍存在著民怨那尤其是在連續假期 還有國際觀光復甦後 還有桃園機場往返的旅客嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
10723.499 |
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民眾他攜帶28吋以上的行李箱那場面臨沒有地方可以放載用總道也影響了動線那很多乘客也反映嘛大型行李區被小型行李站住那想請問高鐵那現在能放的行李件數有多少 |
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10745.455 |
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跟委員報告一下我們現在舊的車原來是35我們已經增加到45了那目前來講我們在新車還沒導致之前新車可以到100、110那我們舊車準備要改到改到80那現在目前正在進行中什麼時候可以改到80 |
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我們預計在今年年底看能不能蓋完因為現在目前來講我們車子只能利用非建築時段才能現在很明顯就是已經不符合旅運的需求了嘛那單日也有六到七萬人次就是搭乘台灣高鐵那你們有沒有去住過機場旅客攜帶大型行李的比例 |
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這個分析我們是有分析那目前來講其實我們現在目前最大的問題是很多的旅客的行李28吋都把它放在那個行李架裡面那這一部分我們在行李架其實我們都有貼標示在請我看到今年你們也有公告嗎就是小行李行李應該要放在座位的上方然後行李部的戰友走到城門那你們有沒有再去做宣傳跟教育民眾呢有有有這個都有在公布那效果如何 |
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效果還是有限因為我看到你們今年二月份在臉書上面的宣導上面的按讚數一百四十二個留言數三則分享的次數是七次那總共的觀看次數是八千五百四十九次那面對每天都有那麼多民眾搭乘高鐵那我們這邊要怎麼來去提升再加強宣導呢 |
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我們其實我們現場現場我們就有有那個現在保全嗎還有我們的列車長胡靖遠其實有看到這種情況的時候也會在會先導所以我搭乘的時候有碰過這樣的問題嗎那變成就是說他們小型行李那變成說列車的乘務員他們還要再去找旅客看就是大型行李他們已經沒有地方放了放在座位前面他們還要再告訴民眾去放到大型行李放置處可是問題就是沒有地方放 |
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| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
我們從4月1號以後我們在車上有一個就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
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那個QR CODE就是有需要列車長服務的時候就可以透過那個QR CODE因為我還要上去你們的APP上面看嘛那你們APP上面確實是沒有在做宣導這一塊那臉書上面那明顯的這個宣傳效果也沒有很好那是不是還可以透過其他的方式所以今天向高鐵了解可以 這部分我們會再加強那再請加強教育跟宣導民眾讓民眾就是不要把小型行李一上車就放置在大型的大型行李的放置處那這邊再請我們交通部陳部長好 請陳部長 |
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委員好 部長好 部長在上週3月26號行政院用會 桃園市的蘇俊斌副市長他有特別提出防狼三件之子 當前的脫掉蟑螂橫行那關於脫掉蟑螂 部長您怎麼看 |
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對 報告委員這是非常不好的一個行為啦那過去在我們的這個高速公路也曾經發生過類似的問題所以這幾年我們在高速公路也好或者是省道也好我們都已經有一個比較標準化的定型化契約在執行那我認為那是很好的範例所以我們交通部也決定說要來協助所有的地方趕快來修訂這個定型化契約 |
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不得記載事項嘛並希望能夠建立全國統一的收費標準部長這項工作要如何是可以完成這個不一定有辦法全國制定一個統一的標準因為每個地方的成本不一定一樣但是我們希望每個地方政府都可以訂定出適合他們當地的一個收費標準那我們昨天已經開了第一次會議就是全國各縣市大家一起來開這個會議那以我們高速公路跟這個公路總局 |
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他們審到上面的這個定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項的這個範例來做一個推演我們希望各縣市都能夠定出來因為現在消費者遇到這樣的糾紛那只能去尋求消保官嘛那地方政府也遇到這樣的問題那所以蘇君布市長他特別提到嘛那包括要修改消保法然後賦予執法人員讓他們可以盡以裁罰的權利那交通部有沒有針對這個跟內政部然後還有其他相關的部會討論 |
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報告委員這個部分我們目前應該還沒有跟他們來做溝通那希望可以針對這一點交通部就是跟其他部會一起進行討論因為目前各縣市的消防官他們只能獨自的去面對特殊背景的業者嘛那所以希望部長您提到就是全國統一有一個困難那是不是可以透過修法呢 |
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修法的部分我們會先匯集大家地方政府大家的意見我們在昨天有開過會議了或許已經有些意見的整合那如果有需要我們交通部這邊來協助去溝通其他部會那我們也嘗試看看來做溝通因為現在就是沒有明確的收費的基準所以法院跟消防官他就沒有辦法去認定業者是否有涉及暴力所以我這邊我也提出希望交通部可以比照我們是希望是不是可以比照 |
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快速道路跟高速公路的救援標準跟委員報告昨天其實我們大概都有找地方政府來做一個討論那我們也有告訴地方政府說為什麼我們沒有辦法訂一個統一的標準 |
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因為每個地方的特性真的差異很大那我們訂那個應記載不得記載事項的目的呢就是希望說地方政府能夠依照他的特性來訂定不同的一個收費標準然後來做他後續執法的一個依據那另外在那個那個消保法裡面其實對於只要有違規的部分其實現在的處分就已經甚至已經可以到停業的部分了所以這個部分消保法已經有一個 |
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規範可以做出目前那一段都是要求他們限期改善嘛限期改善不完成的話也是可以去做停止他的產品的一個規定就是簡單說就是他必須做停業的動作那我們也如果說他被其實在這個停業動作之前他們都已經不知道坑殺了多少民眾了嘛那我們這邊是不是那我們拖掉收費的指引呢是不是能夠落實一個定型化契約 |
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因為我們應記載不得記載事項裡面就會有包括所有的項目就是說哪些可以收費的項目我們都會訂在裡面那超出這些項目的部分就不能去收費那昨天當然有一番討論大概大家有不同的意見我們還會持續收集大家的意見就項目的部分會再去應記載不得記載事項裡面再做一些訂定跟釐定那超出這些項目的部分原則上就是不能再收費 |
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我們昨天召開第一次會議那我這邊後續也會持續關心那這邊也請部長重視這個問題那部長先是請教我們談到桃園國際機場那最新的雅虎民調它有顯示超過六成的民眾都支持機場開放多元計程車那在數位轉型之下呢那日本的成田機場 韓國仁川機場還有新加坡的仗義機場他們都已經提供了多元的接送選擇民眾可以用APP來叫車 |
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那交通部目前規劃是116年要在松山還有小港機場事辦嘛可是旅運量最大的桃園機場呢卻沒有在事辦名單那什麼時候可以納入桃園機場是 請局長說那先跟委員報告有關這個開放事辦那因為每個機場特性不同因為譬如說松山機場它位在市區那高雄地區的話高雄機場因為它對於南部台南等等的 |
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那有一些需求那桃園機場其實它本身有自立委員會那你在試班之前都有進行過評估嗎基本上我們內部有先評估一下那可是因為這是一個試班計畫所以我們是認為說是先從高雄機場來先試班那各自的評估條件可能桃機公司這邊也可以再進一步評估這個部分 |
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那我們初步在做的時候 基本上法規是可以容納每個機場根據他的需求去做不同的事辦計畫那希望過去也可以納入桃園機場然後你們也去針對桃園機場來做一個評估報告好不好好 這個部分我們就再跟桃機來一起討論好 非常感謝邱若驊委員 |
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好 接下來我們邀請徐富奎委員發言謝謝主席 邀請我們陳部長請陳部長觀光署陳署長陳署長 |
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委員好 部長好 署長部長我想這個還是要回歸到一個主要的一個政體我們目前的去年的總預算到目前為止已經兩百多天沒有審那我想這個對整個中央也好地方也好我想是一個很大的一個行政的一個衝擊那尤其我們很多的公務同仁我覺得他們都很緊張壓力也很大 |
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那觀光署今年提出了這個觀光雙輪的一個驅動方案那有提出了這個針對平日的國旅的補助我想編列了23億元左右的一個預算那我想這個是一個很好的一個措施但是呢 |
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部長你看一下這個幾個項目因為這個不是一個新增的一個獨立項目是我們講是一個延續性的一個計畫但是因為總預算沒有過的關係我想若說以我們目前的規範來講這個會不會有受到打折的一個影響那對你們這個推動上面是不是好像看得到吃不到會不會有這個狀況出現 |
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其實國人都相當的期待尤其是這個平日住宿的優惠國人期待那旅宿業者也期待那生日的住宿優惠國人也相當相當期待您上面所列的每一樣都是國人很期待的那我們知道這個總預算沒過我們本來原定4月就要開始啟動這個平日住宿優惠的計畫也就停擺坦白講預算沒過我們就沒有辦法支應也沒辦法做那詳細的部分我是不是請署長來回答 |
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謝謝委員關心這一題這個今年提出來這個方案確實是成業界跟民眾都非常的期待那也一直在持續詢問觀光署那最主要是這樣因為這個預算是編在觀光署的單位預算裡面那這個部分是觀光業務工作計畫向下但是因為超過去年的總執行數所以還是得要經過立法院預算審議才能動之 |
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所以總於說如果沒有通過可能這個都還是會打折 這個就沒辦法去打折部長署長我想我還是要提一個想法因為我們今年至少有九個連續假期那尤其我們最近就是清明連假那目前我知道恆春半島的訂房率大概已經有突破八九成當然是很好但是我認為我們不能去期待這個九個連假帶動整個國旅市場甚至對觀光業的這個 |
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衝擊我想還是很大那藉由這個平日的一個國旅的優惠我想我們一定要支持這樣一個案子那這也是觀光業者的期待那總預算沒有過但是我想我們還是應該要持續看想辦法怎麼樣來做處理不准願意支持這樣的一個說法嗎 |
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我們希望能夠往前推進不過錢的部分沒有錢其實很難做事這個部分委員的期待跟業者的期待我們都知道如果可以提早啟動我們也希望能夠提早啟動不過我們還是要呼籲立法院總預算要趕快過民眾的期待才有辦法真正的落實 |
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那我想總預算沒有過我也很擔心我們屏東縣幾個重大的交通建設受到影響那所以我還是要請教一下部長部長第一個高鐵南延屏東的部分今年原本預定今年的六塊錯車站暫停的遷移會不會受到影響向委員報告我們目前正在趕緊加緊腳步在處理這件事情那不過預算的部分有沒有影響到這件事我是不是請局長來回答一下 |
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六塊錯這個計畫我們現在優先爭取行政院來做核定如果核定的話因為去年並沒有編這個六塊錯計畫在15年的預算裡面但我們可以透過公建計畫的相關的運資來去做處理我想現在優先的目標還是要爭取核定 |
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我想這個我們要加快速度啦要不然這個目前我們的規劃是2039年通車嘛如果因為這樣今年沒辦法動工暫停沒辦法動工是不是氣程要往後延這個我們非常非常的擔心啦所以我們要加快氣程那第二個就是高屏二快那我想這一次高屏二快也是預計要今年要動用的一個重要的一個交通項目部長那這個案子目前的進度我是不是請局長來回答 |
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跟我們報告一下高屏二塊的部分的話目前在做稀釋那原則上大概以這個屏東段為優先那有關於這個第一個優先標的部分就是台山這個交流道的部分的話大概我們四月上旬可以把稀釋這個經費報工程會來做一個這個審議那原則上是希望就是說九月可以來這個動工但是我這邊也跟我們報告一下 |
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因為高屏二塊是新鮮計畫也會可能也就是說我們也希望說後面這個預算審查要趕快做一個處理好那另外就是我們屏南鄉新最關心的屏南快速道路那我知道我們最近公務局也加快角度已經在開返品的一個說明會啦那這個期程能不能再提早因為大家都說擔心有顧問 |
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跟委員報告這個部分的這個期整的話大概上次大概有跟委員報告過就是說有關於這個一階環評已經過了那現在這個就是說環境部在審二階環評這個範疇界定的部分那我們上次是有一些意見我們五月希望說二階環評這個範疇的部分能夠趕快把它審定我們後面來做 |
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一個啟動那原則上後面順利的話我們是希望大概就是說期程可以這個加速縮減一年半到這兩年大概目前整個時程推出出來的部分的話大概原則上順利的話我們是希望說在一百一十七年能夠通過這個環評然後趕快提報經濟計畫報這個行政院 |
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好 那我想這個也是我們這個屏南鄉親最關切的這個翻斷事工的部分我想要同步來進行好 那我想最後針對這個台鐵的部分我請一下鄭董事長部長跟署長請回 謝謝 |
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董事長這個有兩個案子我想還是要麻煩董事長關注一下第一個就是去年12月我們有一位屏東的一個鄉親也是我們的同仁在花蓮車站被這個貨車擰過不治身亡那我知道董事長有特別去關心家屬那因為家屬前兩天有來找我到目前為止我們整個事故的調查跟檢查的報告他們都還沒有看到 |
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這個董事長 是這個我想這是一個年輕的生命也是我們這個很多年輕的同仁在這個工作上面職場上面注視的一個案件這部分報告什麼時候可以出爐是 這個各位報告其實上那個治安署他們那個調查報告已經出來了他3月27號已經把這個檢查這個報告給我們公司那結論就是說 |
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這個整個發生的事情的責任我們這個同仁嚴同仁他是沒有責任的所以在這個情況之下就是說在他這個撫恤方面我們就趕快的我們在昨天3月30號已經把這個吻送到我們全序部去所以應該 |
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我們除了原來的這些我們公司的慰問金保險金都已經付給他以後這個我現在很關心的就是說這個撫恤的部分的話讓我們應該很快會有走路用因公的部分來處理是的是的是的那董事長我還是要了解一下那針對事故發生我們相關的檢討裡面我們的人員的部分跟現場的作業的部分有沒有什麼樣的問題是需要改善的 |
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是的,我們針對一些可能的風險,因為他像這位同仁,他是因為很不幸,就是他在吊車的過程裡面,在一個背帶,被一些司機的支架勾到,最後就吊在地上,像這個的話,我們公司已經做了一個修正的安排。 |
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我想這個我們的家長他其實來跟我談這個事情的時候他並不是要責怪我們的同仁他只是希望董事長我要轉達他的心聲給董事長知道他希望這樣的憾事不要再發生不要再有同仁因為這樣的現場事故有一個年輕的生命就沒有了那所以我想前幾次的委員會我有特別跟董事長提到說 |
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現在我們這個人力短缺跟薪資結構已經比不上其他的國營事業我想董事長這是很嚴重的問題我們的年輕的同仁不願意待在台鐵那未來連甚至很多我們屏東的鄉親現在分化在東部的、北部的都調步回來這是怎麼安居樂業?董事長這個問題到底有檢討嗎? |
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確實啦這個人力的問題是在台鐵也是一樣遭遇到這個問題尤其在這個吊車的事情這個又複雜度比較高所以有很多但是公司能夠做的就是我們除了改善整個環境包括我們檢討我們SOP譬如說我們如果是車動人就不動這樣的一個要求我們會落實那減少這樣的一個不幸的事情發生好 |
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最後一個問題我想我要幫我們的這個長輩來請命一下這個我之前有跟你提過我們現在屏東縣的敬老卡我們有每個月一千塊的額度那我們的鄉親他有的時候要去坐火車去高雄台南甚至去東部他們現在只能不能坐對號的一個車子只能說刷那個路卡但是非常非常的不方便 |
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我認為這是對你們來講是一個很大的一個商機所以我有請你們研究結果你們跟我說回應的部分是說更改這個相關的設備總共要花六千兩百萬是的而且你們是希望地方政府來分攤這起來很不得力啦甚至你們在賺錢這樣叫地方政府來分攤很不得力董事長我覺得花六千兩百萬可以帶給台鐵幾百億的商機為什麼你不做這部分有什麼困難 |
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這個跟委員報告確實因為改這個系統而且是所有的公司所有地方政府他可能他的這個社福卡跟台鐵要連接的話其實系統都要改所以這一部分的話這個發射這個錢 |
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那我們希望說呢 這個當然還是要地方政府這邊因為我們的冰湯的大眾交通工具還是不普及所以這部分還是要拜託一下來客錄一下 好不好 謝謝我們還是希望說這個財源如果有問題有的話我們也會全力來配合辦理啦謝謝 謝謝委員執教謝謝台鐵 我們謝謝徐副委員接下來我們邀請許智傑委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席我們請部長跟公路局長請陳部長請公路局局長 |
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委員好部長好那個台86這個我有跟局長討論過了啦那就是說這整個我們的建設其實是非常的重要所以需要部長再給我們侃奉一下那就是說我們高雄東高雄就是往台南這邊以前都是走縣道 |
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就是市道 現在是182那現在就是說我們需要說如果說台86可以銜接上的話對於東高雄從內門往台南這樣子的互動事實上非常的有幫助所以現在的進度就是說是不是請部長跟局長公開給我們砍碰一下預計 |
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2028開始動工2034可以完工嗎這個部分是不是請那個局長先說明一下首先我跟委員報告一下就是說這個台86前面一段大概就是說跨過台10舊甲連接這個國道3號剛剛委員講的是後半段就是說這個在過去跟這個182然後到這個屏東這個內門這個地方 |
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那這個案子目前這個中規已經這個定案了那目前是在做這個環評的審查那環評審查的部分上次有一些意見我們是希望說在6月可以通過這一個環評那6月通過環評我們希望這一個就是說這一個臨底可以提報這一個 |
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整個10層的規劃的話上次大概也跟委員這個報告大概前面一段因為前面一段那個現在建設計畫是在院裡面待這個核定那那個部分的預估完工時間是121年那後半段這個部分的話預計完工時間是122年 |
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122年所以還有7年所以跟部長報告一下就是其實東高雄我一直在推動東高雄的觀光跟交通跟醫療的提升那就是說東高雄現在像我們內門現在那邊有個動物學校其實那個是那個 |
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場景式的觀察而不是只是去看動物園它是去體驗所以東高雄包括我們的假日就是包括內門動物學校包括祁山老街包括美濃客家文化甚至再到裡面茂林紫斑蝶等等相關的寶萊的溫泉那這些其實可以做一個整體的套裝的規劃 |
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那當然這個我們也有跟公共署在要求說怎麼樣有機會把茂林國家風水區延伸到整個東高雄那當然現在比較重要的就是說交通要先通暢就是說在這個台88 |
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這一條線其實對東高雄的發展非常的重要所以剛剛局長也有跟大家報告過也請部長能夠大力支持好 我們全力推動 速度加快那另外就是說包括這個有沒有機會台灣好險因為東高雄的觀光事實上它的交通真的是比較不容易比如說你如果要去寶萊的話可能你要到旗山轉運站 |
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再轉六龜再轉寶來那像這個一個溫泉特區如果有機會我們來開發的話就是說能夠讓這個交通先行才有辦法所以是不是請部長也指示署長跟局長重視我們這邊的交通跟觀光 |
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是我們針對整體的交通除了硬體建設之外您剛剛所提到的公共運輸的部分我們應該要來關注那台灣好行的路線或許我們可以檢討一下如果真的有這樣子的觀光的資源在那個地方我們也希望說公共運輸可以到達我想這個是雞生蛋生雞的問題就是說目前就是說當然他一直覺得還有提升的空間 |
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那當然就是在地的整個設施要去加強之外,其實交通就是一個非常重要的路線所以是不是有機會就是說我們的台86之外,台灣好行這邊公路局可以先協助台灣好行應該是公共公署這邊我們請公共公署這邊來協助 |
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謝謝委員提問 上次我們也有討論到這件事情確實在交通的部分 確實是能讓大家到的景點加上東高雄那相關的觀光資源也非常的豐富那這個部分我們現在是請貿管處這邊一起在來提出申請跟所有相關的評估跟怎麼去做串聯像以上先生的報告之前我提到有沒有可能把貿聯國際貨幣區把東高雄通通納入 |
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這個上次因為委員一直很關心這個項目對不對那我們說這件事情要再跟高雄市政府還有屏東縣政府一起討論要由地方政府提出來然後這個才能進入到我們的程序裡面來 |
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所以地方政府先提你們是後面地方政府要先提OK好那我再跟地方溝通一下謝謝好那這個東高雄就拜託那個署長跟局長多幫忙部長就盡量點頭就好好這個東高雄的支持很重要好那再來就是那個我們的那個交通交易園區這個也公路局也不簡單了事實上台灣現在設了兩個地方嘛 |
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北台灣在桃園那南台灣是在高雄我們鳳山建立所的所在地那這個已經做好了嘛還沒有啟用 |
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是的 原則上大概做好了那之前高雄區監獄所是試營運那最近大概我去看我跟我們曾經是有去看了一次那裡面有一些標線可能要再做一個調整那目前我是請局裡面的教官組再幫忙做一個調整那有些東西有這個脫落的部分我們重新再做一個處理完之後那我想 |
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這個我們再規劃一個這個時間然後這個邀請委員一起來做這個邀請部長一起來不是 正式啟用一定會跟委員報告邀請委員的那個一起來參與我想在這個之前我希望說很多配套交通部可能也必須要思考 |
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因為這個部分其實日本的教育你看日本的兒童過馬路都會舉手部長知道嗎是 我知道這個已經養成習慣你看台灣人小朋友過馬路有沒有都舉手比較沒有現在開始有一些小朋友會舉手所以這個就是從其實這個交通安全其實教育是從小慢慢的小時候走路再來 |
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讀國中可能騎腳踏車吧再來騎摩托車這個其實你從小就培養這樣子一個教育的觀念交通教育的觀念這個對於整體這個是後面長久會影響的所以我是覺得我們這個交通公園是不是交通部有跟教育部有結合去思考一些怎麼樣去推動兒童交通教育而不是說這個設施做好了如果沒有跟教育部結合有可能去的人還是不多 |
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跟我也報告一下目前大概就是因為美國交通公園所在還是有地域性這一個可及的一個課題所以目前大概就是說由我們在地比如說像在桃園建立站的部分的話大概是新竹所跟大桃園地區的一個幼稚園教學學校教學來相結合那目前在這個高雄區建立所的這個部分的話也是跟高雄大高雄地區來做這個部分的一個結合 |
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那剛剛委員所提到的我想局裡面這邊再來跟教育部相關單位就是說有一些中央比較一致性的原則的一個部分的話我們跟教育部再來做一個這個所以你們還沒跟教育部接觸像委員報告以桃園為案例我們不是跟教育部這邊來做接觸跟合作是跟地方的教育局 |
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那地方的教育局他們就會找在地的例如說小學或者是幼兒園一起來這個園區裡面做交通案例所以現在有跟高雄市教育局聯絡了嗎那高雄的部分我們如果正式要啟動的時候也會跟地方的教育局來做合作那目前我看已經試辦了15場嘛要辦15場這15場應該也是有跟他們做聯繫 |
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所以我是提醒就是我們交通部就是公務局這個要跟教育單位交通甚至市府也有交通局就是市政府的相關單位我們要動就一起動這樣子才會把那個效果發揮到最高好謝謝最後那個 |
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陰水法 陰水法部長應該了解啦這個部分那個香港局也很幫忙就是說要發展我們地方高雄的遊艇觀光事實上這個也是在地的需求所以就是我們提出這個遊艇觀光就是飲水一千噸以下事實上你不用讓這個遊艇 事實上它吃水很淺啦 |
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所以這個部分我想我們也希望說交通部可以支持那航港局在這個交通安全的維護上有沒有什麼問題 |
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報告委員這個部分我們會支持一千噸以下的這個遊艇外極遊艇不需要強制飲水這個部分我們會支持OK那這個就是希望說香港局跟交通部能夠盡力協助是好沒問題那包括那個安全的我也很重要可能要相關的配套要把它想好好OK好謝謝我們謝謝徐志傑委員好接下來我們要請洪育翔委員發言 |
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好 主席好我們有請這個交通部陳部長觀光署陳署長陳署長 |
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好兩位好我覺得因為問題很多所以我大概只挑一個因為我在交通部在以前林佳龍部長的時候我也擔任過你們運營所的這些MARS的一個審查的委員是智慧觀光也協助規劃過所以我覺得這個問題還是要跟你們提一下這樣子 |
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我們賴總統函出這個觀光的國家對2030年的目標是產值一兆那國發計畫列入目標是9000億這個早上我已經也罵過國發會常常每次收各部會的報告那個資料都不sync都不一致所以這個請你們再跟他溝通調成是一致那我的問題就是說 |
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因為從以前我們在做觀光的時候其實我怕的就是我們的基礎到底是不是這個底盤是不是有打好那我們先來看一個東西就是說我翻了你們的一個報告那如果是像你們這樣喊的Joyce |
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2030就是邁向2030這樣的方案那基本上我現在在那個報告裡頭也許你們有啦我會後提供也可以就是我看不到分年的目標然後你一年四季季度的追蹤那這個東西如果我達不到目標到底是哪一個部會你要去負責那這個東西我相信你們有但是可能我報告看不到 |
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因為以前我們在弄計畫的時候你們交通部或是這些的外面我們這些省長在問的就是你每一次都講當年度但是你還是要告訴我每一年每一年的Milestone是多少這個有應該有吧這個有那你再會後提供好沒問題另外呢我想要再問一個就是右邊這裡缺公開儀表板這裡因為在我們之前做的時候像你們報告有寫觀光綜合的管理平台我就問部長 |
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你手上的手機APP有沒有這個東西或者是你們講的PWS可不可以看得到這樣子的數據 |
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向委員報告您所說的這個公開儀表板我也希望能夠建置我也覺得這個相當的重要你們已經有在建置很久了對但是我認為現在對民眾來講或者是說對於想要知道資料跟資訊的用者來講使用者來講其實是不便利的戰情儀表板這個概念因為你內部一定要有所以我達到這個目標為什麼我五年前就講過我們內部已經有了 |
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對但是我要知道手掌手上有沒有因為那時候也是觀光區上面也是這些問題他們固定時間都會提供給我做參考不要啦我們現在都AI行動內閣了可以嗎這五年前我就提出來了所以委員是希望我們一定要在手機上看 |
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手機平板都可以啊你隨時都可以看到比如說你現在去訪問記者訪問你的時候現在觀光區是多少其實大部分提供給我都是用檔案沒有錯都是用檔案的方式你那麼年輕可以啦行動內閣好不好來再來的話我為什麼比較沒有信心的原因就是說因為這個目標一路一路下修這個是指我們的國際的旅客人數來談那 |
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為什麼這個東西我這樣講因為你們現在花在很多的品牌的行銷海外推廣的活動花了多少預算可能我這邊報告也沒有看到但是我比較關心的就是說你這個預算算下去的時候到底那個轉換率以及我增加旅客的成本是多少 |
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我覺得這個要去做ROI的一個分析啊不然的話我只看到人次人次然後其實我就一直達不到然後你人來了停留多少多少產值那我是不是可以達到這一個2030年造園的目標那我這樣才有辦法對的回來所以我是覺得在整個計畫執行的結構上可能要再去清楚一點然後另外是一個比較結構性的問題就是說 |
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我們民眾都喜歡出國就不喜歡待在國旅我覺得這個問題很多我會後也可以提供給你們做一些參考因為我們都是希望他能夠就是現在人民就是這樣子用腳投票給你看他就是想要出去了然後他也不想要待在國旅我覺得這也不是房價的問題 |
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他可能包含你烘台產品高度重複體驗感低甚至接駁像我們很多剛剛在委員講的海外好行我也是常常K他們對不對你有些東西的使用率人次高或不高等等當然有些是你要貼錢補貼去做但是我覺得那個ROI跟那個癥結點因為這都是十幾年將近應該有十年了所以我一直覺得說這個東西如果你還是用舊的做法去做的話這個會比較不好 |
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那最後啦我因為時間的關係我再跟各位說明一下就是我大概希望是一個月內來告訴我就說整個市場的飲客的KPI包含你的旅客數停留的天數消費重遊率飲客的成本然後你們現在呢在報告裡面也做了一些台灣100亮點的這些的工程等等但是我覺得你不要只看完工率 |
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就不要只看那個什麼使用人士其實我要知道說你這樣的營收到底有沒有達到這樣的倍增的目標那另外一個也是跟許志傑委員一樣有一些的觀光好行的這些的檢討要去改善一下尤其是我們外籍旅客之前我一直在講本國旅客說實在的 |
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他搞不好也不會想要去抓 可能開車或幹嘛但是外籍旅客這個接駁 跟你的台灣Pass以前我們是要做MAS的系統整個整合起來那我是希望 就一個角度啦也是跟你們這樣子溝通一下 好不好好 謝謝委員您所關心的這些都很重要 我們陸續來做那也會提供資料給您 謝謝好 非常感謝洪玉祥委員好 接下來我們邀請鄭天才委員發言 |
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主席有請部長台鐵部長好所有的官員好這個台鐵大霧點在3月27號這張照片是我在台鐵 |
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等候的火車的時候照的照片所以你看如果我們從這張照片這個最晚要延遲到240分鐘延遲就從這張照片240分鐘有195分鐘130分鐘然後這張也是我在現場拍的 |
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這個PUMA延遲130分鐘,然後致強號160分鐘,這個真的是非常非常的久然後你們的網路上其實沒有看到說會延誤,可以不用那麼早去 |
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所以這個都是要去檢討的所以委員說的如果說網路上沒有的話這個我們確實應該檢討第一時間所有的訊息應該讓所有的旅客能夠通透透過各種管道都必須通透這個當然你們也提到了這個道歉整個因為電力線的故障物點總共加起來你們是寫超過兩萬分鐘這個部分所以一定要去 |
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檢討然後你們提了相關的改善措施因為時間的關係 |
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這個部分再請台鐵這邊能夠提供素面的很簡單的跟委員報告這個避免這個大霧點我們就是在行控中心這個硬幣中心我們會成立一個專責的單位然後把我們所謂的班次啊能夠重新的編排因為我們在單線雙向的時候我們的容量是受限制 |
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所以我們可能會在某一個時間點裡面就是把他以前的班次取消然後看客人能夠搭我們譬如說都要坐我們的車廂的話我們就讓他可以自由坐上去但是往後的部分的話就會縮短他的時間所以我們這樣的一個方向 |
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以後我們會來錄音另外就是說在這個時間點裡面我們有一組人專門來說會預估延後多少時間那麼我會把這時間送到各個車站送到各個列車長有列車長來告訴我們的旅客 |
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有車站動作告示來讓旅客知道同時我們在內部的網站裡面也應該要拖播這樣的一個資訊讓所有搭乘台鐵的旅客他有一個知道這樣的delay的情況好 這個最主要早上就發生了嘛 對不對早上上班族就影響了結果我是 |
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晚上我是六點左右到了台北車站才知道原來是我知道早上就有誤我沒有想到會那麼久啦我沒想到會那麼久去修這些那些這個都是要去加強檢討改進的部分好這個接下來就 |
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台鐵漁花東這個也就是零三零四零三一百一十三年零四零三大地震造成的這個部分行政院在今年的三月十六號合定終於合定77.99億元接下來就是要請這個交通部 鐵道局 台鐵這個部分要優先針對這個河仁道 |
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從德這一段因為這階段會涉及到不只是鐵路也會涉及到這個公路台九這個蘇花公路的那個部分所以這個部分優先去處理可以嗎報告委員這個部分我會優先處理不過現在最大的問題會是在立法院的總預算還沒審議通過所以我們沒有錢可以做 |
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這個新新計畫 這個算新增新新計畫你們只要提送過來部長不要用這樣的用詞啦按照預算法54條新新計畫或者是新增 何況這是新新計畫嘛 |
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第一個你們只要報來立法院絕對會同意何況立法院已經主動主動喔行政院送來啊我們主動立法院已經主動718億718億的主動裡面沒有包含這一項對你們還要送來啊為什麼主動沒有包含這一項 |
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因為這個今年3月16號才核定當然沒有嘛你當然沒有列入115年度的預算嘛部長我這個30年的公務員我們不要用這個樣的那個我們去解決問題解決問題趕快送來啊 好不好好 我們謝謝鄭天才委員 |
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主席好 有請部長跟觀光署陳署長陳部長還有陳署長是 |
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我今天來質詢主要是針對3月16號我們有一個新的方案就是9000萬的新旅遊的補助方案我想現在對於旅遊的促進其實我覺得還是有一定程度的幫助 |
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只是因為前一陣子我們看到我們的一些觀光景點發生一些狀況我想在座大家比較清楚的就是那時候在我們南投發生的遊園車的部分那更早的部分在花蓮鯉魚潭這邊也有一些天鵝船的部分因為我過去在學校其實都做安全跟災害預防的研究所以我是想問的是說因為這個補助其實振興旅遊產業比較多 |
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是不是可以把這個所謂的安全的改善這些安全的品質或者是一些災害的預防放在這個補助的方案裡面因為現在看起來好像教育訓練什麼好像效果比較多一點報告委員您所提的那個九千萬的部分它主要是針對旅行社那因為針對旅行社所以這個可能就是人員的教育還有它的數位化還有它永續的部分數位轉型跟永續的部分作為重點 |
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那您在提的這個安全的部分不一定會放在這個計畫裡面但是安全確實很重要我們是不是請觀光署可以的話我們想辦法用其他的方面來做安全的這個檢討跟安全的協助跟補助 |
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我想這個大家每次看到這樣的消息其實大家都是非常快樂的出遊其實大家都非常的不捨所以希望不只是這個九千萬希望有其他 剛剛部長說有其他的方式可以增進這些旅遊業者他這些的觀念我想教育訓練裡面也可以放到一些這些所謂的強化這些知能那另外就是其實想到這個事就想到那個日月潭的那個電動船的部分 |
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那個我們這邊也去查了一些資料好像那個我們有做了一些那個KPI嘛好像目前的算還有一些距離不曉得署長那邊的看法是怎麼樣就是有關日月潭的電動船的部分這個部分補助是在航港局目前航港局想來回答好不好 |
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我想為了營造一個低碳的旅遊環境我想我們跟光屬合作現在我們新推出了全國內水電動化的一個計畫這裡面有6個水域總共有57艘的業者要來參與我們這個計畫我們會給予大概49%這樣的補助日月潭的部分總共有32艘 |
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好像要到115馬上就要到了我們目前計畫部裡面已經抱怨了那奉合之後我們就會來推動那日月潭的部分有32艘32艘是佔他們目前這個營運 |
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大概60幾艘的將近半數所以也就是說大概118年左右118、119左右將近熱潭有半數的載客船舶它是以電動化的方式來營運的 |
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我今天提這個基本上兩個其實是同樣的概念不管是安全 健康 或者是永續我想現在都是我們國家追求的目標所以我這邊有幾個重點也請部長能夠採納就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
基本上我認為我們觀光產業除了我們要振興它提升它的一些發展之外其實建立一套好的管理制度導入一些安全預防災害的概念我覺得這個也蠻重要的也就是說我們過去在管理一些產業的時候常常會建立一些燈號 |
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那把這個風險高的這些產業或是這些事業單位把它標出來我希望公關也慢慢可以做這樣的事情尤其他們最近如果發現一些最重大的這些這個公關安全的事情是不是可以把它標註出來然後日後嚴格的來做一些管考那當然我剛剛前面就說了我希望有一些經費上可以挹注在這個提升安全跟這個危害預防的這個部分不知道部長 |
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是不是可以進一步有一些接下來不管等一下回答或是接下來給我們一些你們那邊的想法好不好是 感謝委員的關心 安全確實是相當重要尤其我們最近社會有看到一些觀光的過程當中發生了一些安全疑慮的問題那這個部分我們也請觀光署把這個列為一個很重要的項目我們來做這個更大的關注跟更大的協助 |
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是 所以剛剛說那個就是我們九千萬裡面的那個有一部分是種教育訓練我剛剛說了是不是可以在教育訓練的那個項目對 就有一些這種項目因為通常會有一個pool嘛那個有一些這個課程的名稱希望有把一些安全 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
接下來我們邀請林月琴委員發言 |
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13667.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13669.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
李玉壇八歲南投溺斃事件在2023年基隆市大武倫沙灘一天就溺斃了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13711.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
三人事件 那就看到基隆市政府曾就跟觀光署發生了沙灘跟水域管理範圍的一個爭議紅色警戒線事實上是市政府畫的可是又緊鄰我們的北關處的管轄範圍導致對於到底誰要對這個管理產生模糊的地帶 |
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13740.305 |
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到了2026年就今年度我們的花蓮女儀壇年初三發生了8歲男童的逆避事件又同樣發生同樣的爭議地方說它僅負責營業許可管理機關是中央的縱管處並非地方政府因此縣府沒有任何法律義務或權限去訂定相關的一些營業管理的條例可是縱管處又說縣市政府應該去訂定來作為管理當地的一個業者的法律依據 |
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部長 出事之後我們看到的標準公式就是中央說歸地方管 地方說中央管是這樣嗎部長一條人命來不及長大孩子就這樣走了部長我想TIT區的結果就是把風險提給無辜的受害人這大不是我們熱見的所以我們希望一起共同來去重視這個課題那部長所以請看這張圖花蓮縣政府在114年6月12號就廢止了相關管理程序 |
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從廢止到今年初發生意外那整整半年的時間呢我們的鯉魚潭水域竟然處在一個法律跟檢查完全真空的狀態縱管處聲稱說拿不到安檢的一個資料顯然過去在這段時間這些天天載客的天鵝船動力船根本長期沒有依程序進行安檢在國家風景區內竟然允許完全沒有安檢記錄的船隻違規營運 |
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所以部長請問一下為什麼會發生這種狀況是 報告委員確實發生不幸的事情我們希望風險能夠再降低就是說看到了問題我們希望能夠解決問題那確實過去這段時間有一些法令上不周全或者是該執行而未執行的事情我們希望未來不要來發生 |
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那這個部分其實觀光署已經有跟這個花蓮縣政府有開會討論過大概有一些共識那未來也會想辦法該列管的部分要列管我是不是請署長先來回答一下好不好 |
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謝謝委員關心這個議題今年2月19號的那個事情真的是很遺憾因為發展台灣的觀光基本上是要中央跟地方政府共同合作所以我們這段時間檢討下來確實是彼此都有可能我覺得在法令上面有一些疑慮的地方所以這段時間我們也找了華麗縣政府共同討論彼此如何完善因為遊客的安全是最重要的事 |
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對 可是不是只有花蓮這樣我想剛剛也講基隆 花蓮都這樣所以我說部長在管理方面是不是因為管理方面不能僅依照我們的發展觀光條例的第36條公告說哪裡不能玩例如公告特定的活動時間劃定我們禁止進入的危險區或是針對違規的遊客要怎麼 |
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進行行政裁罰可是對於並沒有辦法這些都沒有辦法去做到說那你的輔具到底做安全管理怎麼去做是依據我們的輔具及人員操作的安全注意事項嗎位階這麼低這法律效果僅有命令位階沒有強制力也沒有相關法則所以部長對於這件事情針對於輔具是否有其他的法律管理或依據現行法律的配套措施是什麼 |
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報告委員這個其實在各個地方的自治條例裡面可以去訂這個東西那我們也經過觀光署的關注我們全國的各個水上的有遊玩的領域我們都做檢討那法令不足的部分我們現在民航局也有介入幫忙協助也是督導地方政府必須要制定這樣子的自治條例 |
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接下來會去置地嗎 為什麼我這樣講 你看這一份我們的航港局頒布的服務器具及人員操作安全注意事項那地方政府並得是需要予以納管 是需要 可是今天 |
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這些符具到處都是的話你怎麼說是需要那他如果覺得沒需要就不用管理嗎這也就是說地方政府呢可以制定相關的安全規範就讓他們自己是需要所以部長再看右邊這張各縣市對照表新北南投宜蘭都定有自治條例或者是管理辦法為什麼花蓮嘉義桃園等13個縣市可以沒有而造成了有地方有罰則有的地方完全沒有安全檢查案 |
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也不會有罰則的狀況發生所以部長我要請問的是德事需要這四個字是不是就是地方政府可以繼續不作為報告委員這個有分動力扶具跟非動力扶具非動力扶具我們比較有勸導也希望但是有動力扶具的部分這個危險性相對高一點我們 |
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會比較強制的作為希望能夠要求他們趕快來制定那這個部分局長可以再補充一下因為時間關係我最後就是請你們盡速研擬相關法律不足的部分然後希望中央能夠訂定輔具跟動力小船的相關處罰規定而不是當發生事情的時候還是各推各的 |
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這是人命 秦部長一定要重視這個問題 趕快研議不過拜託回去研議的時候 也希望找民間團體一起討論非常感謝林月琴委員我們休息十分鐘 |
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嗯嗯嗯嗯 |
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對,對,對 |
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它現在是從市區客院然後遊覽停車的部分確實越來越多遊覽停車的部分確實越來越多 |
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鸡腿 |
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這裏有個大廈,有個大廈 |
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這裏有個小小的廟宇 |
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鲍鱼鱼 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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鸡腿 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳,例如餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食物 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳 |
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沙漠中央公園 |
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這裏是一間餐廳 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳的名稱是 |
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鲍鱼 |
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謝謝大家,下次見 |
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四月七号四月七号四月七号四月七号四月七号 |
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鸡蛋糕 |
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這裏有個大廈,大廈的名字叫做大廈 |
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我一天罷了一天 |
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OK OK OK |
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這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨洁 |
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山谷群架不少好,回來了 |
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好 我們繼續開會好 接下來我們邀請林楚英 |
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林柱英林柱英委員不在蔡春秋蔡春秋蔡春秋委員不在王美惠王美惠王美惠委員不在好接下來我們邀請李坤正委員發言好謝謝主席那我們請陳部長請陳部長 |
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來部長辛苦了那先問一下這個地方的一個建設的問題這個武泰輕軌的這一個輕軌的這條路線它雖然是叫武泰輕軌其實它的起點站是在三重啦是從三重最後是到這個輕軌然後在三重還可以再跟我們這一個蘆洲縣還有個交接 |
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然後呢 這個目前它的進度是今年的3月4號環境部的這個環評委員會已經通過了那等於是說 可行性研究已經核定了然後呢 都市計畫變更呢 也有這個公展的座談然後呢 環境部的這個環評的法律程序已經完成了那接下來呢 應該就是要等到這個交通部的這個綜合規劃報告嘛 |
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那我看這個新北市好像今天捷運局也有過來嘛那這個新北市的捷運局有送了這個綜合規劃報告給我們交通部在2025年的12月第四次提送那我想請問一下那有關於五代輕軌的這個最新的進度 |
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報告委員目前已經在我們鐵道局在審議當中那我們1月16號已經喊請各相關單位大家一起來審查因為這不是只有在鐵道局裡面審查各相關單位那我們等他們的資料彙整回來之後就應該會有一些結論因為已經他提了4次了嘛是不是那就表示之前有被你們退了退了3次不斷在修正不斷在修正 |
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通常這個因為這一關就是綜合規劃評估那這一關大概你們這個綜合規劃報告通常會審查多久的時間我是不是請局長來回答 |
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根本報告這個其實沒有一定的期程其實要看計畫的成熟度那這個案子我想送進來的話我們過去有一些相關議題的處理包括跟高速公路之間的落墩問題還有工程經費的檢討等等我們對於這個案子的了解是應該這一次相關單位的審查意見回來如果可以收斂的話我們會簽給交通部建議召開捷運的審查委員會 |
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那所以你認為現在最大的問題有在哪裡嗎那新北市有提出合理的說明了嗎過去主要的問題是跟高速公路之間的一個工程界面那這個問題我的了解是已經有收斂就高工局的意見應該是可以得到高工局的認可那經費的部分 |
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總經費是多少 |
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那中央跟地方目前的總經費是513.96億那中央跟地方的負擔新北市政府的估算是中央要負擔183新北市政府負擔330那如果說這兩個問題能解決這個綜合雇要報告就比較容易過關 |
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我想這個我們會再往下一個程序來走但是因為現在院裡面有給我們一些新的指示也就是希望我們全面檢討捷運建設的補助要點的相關規定那我不是很有把握對於這樣的一個議題是不是因為它是一個通案性的原則性的問題 |
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那在這個個案上面會不會對於進度上面產生一些干擾我想可能我們要看後面我想如果是這個錢經費的問題的話那當然中央跟地方要去談因為現在財務法通過之後的確地方經費比較 |
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分配比例會不一樣對啊那這個是可以調整但是我還是希望說不要因為這個經費卡住因為這個計畫是好的正確的話還是盡快能夠讓他通過那經費問題當然還可以跟那個新北市政府在談不過你講這也不是個案全盤台灣通案來處理好我是希望說能夠盡量把這個五太經軌能夠讓他完成我們來努力因為完成之後還要七年依照委員的要求我們來加速謝謝介入部長 |
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時間到了 還有 再問一下我們這個親民的這個的這個交通的規劃那請教一下部長 你們有請這個國道的這個客運業者來配合這提出了蠻多的優惠86條路線有6折 TPAS2.0最高40 |
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四二折然後加十小時的這個轉成免費然後提供了這個一百二十二萬個座位但是呢這個是三月二十五號的資料月售票才售出三點七萬張就是你們有一百二十二萬個座位但是呢只有售出三點七萬張那我不曉得 |
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最近的這個宣傳的情況怎麼樣那現在賣出了多少張報告委員其實我們在這個國道客運的部分他本來預售的狀況都不會太好因為大家的習慣是到現場去買票現場去買票那我們這幾年這兩年裡面我們推出了很多的優惠方案我看是優惠很大 |
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那我們有看到就是說每一車的這個乘載人數的數量人次的部分其實都有在上升也就是說利用率有在提高利用率有在提高那我們希望可以做得更好那我問一下局長去年應該也有類似的這個優惠 |
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我們最近這幾個連假都有這幾個連假都有那目前大概整體狀況整體狀況大概就是陳副部長剛剛所提到的部分就是個別車輛每車乘客率的部分的話從18點多拉到這個19點多 |
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18點多到19點多再加一個人我們不是一台車可以做到快40個人嗎那個拉一個人那個在國道上面算是蠻不錯的那另外一個部分的話就是說東部東部這個台北宜蘭的部分那個運量都有這個成長那在西部的部分大概目前持平但是在西部各北的國道科運業者裡面有些人這個成長的比例都相當高 |
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我這個是一個非常好的優惠也能夠節省大家的錢然後大家利用國道客運也能夠盡量不要去塞車這是好的政策但是我認為到現在為止好像不知道是宣傳效果不夠還是怎麼樣我們再加強宣導不然才提供那麼多的位置結果做不到一半好不好謝謝主席非常感謝我們李昆城委員謝謝 |
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好接下來我們邀請劉書斌委員發言好謝謝主席那有請陳部長請陳部長 |
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委員好 |
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那為了說實這樣的修法美意的話呢據我所知啊經濟就是交通部呢他已經啟動了這個放寬的這樣的一個規定把這個牌照登記的跟駐居所跟就業處住所的地址呢納入到車籍認定的範圍那他也並要他的智慧機政的牌照稅的這個財政部那我想說這個程序上面有沒有辦法 |
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有沒有辦法加快尤其是現在在4月份已經就已經開始的生收牌照稅那部長你們這邊的看法是怎麼樣報告委員 財政部那邊會來做解釋然後他們來做解釋之後我們就可以來做執行那表示你們內部還沒有溝通嗎其實兩邊的訊息都有在溝通啦 這個沒有問題昨天已經開過會了對 那你們的時程有在什麼時程大家會完成 |
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這裡面有兩個課題啦第一個就是說原來復籍地對復籍地那現在復籍地跟這個住居所或者是那個相關的部分那目前這些資料如果說只要有申請的話現在已經在公務建立機關的車籍資料裡面已經有了 |
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那現在就是配一個現在財政部只要把這個原來戶籍對戶籍這個認定的部分把這個放寬進來的話那原則上我剛才也是在問這個地方那個監理車籍的部分原則上就OK那我現在問題是時間性我知道你們有在方向做但是時間性上面呢我們要看財政部那邊啊他只要一發過來我們就可以馬上出來就我所知財政部也在發動因為我在財委會已經有交這個消息所以事實上一個月之內有可能嗎 |
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4月會發佈好4月發佈 財政部4月會發佈他只要一發佈我們就可以配合處理好希望就4個月 希望是今這個月就能夠發佈因為這樣子那他說有可能有已經繳了不可能有可能要也會退稅也會處理嘛對不對這個部分因為現在牌照稅是屬於地方稅我們資料提供給地方政府都是地方政府開章那如果說後面需要做處理的話各地方政府會來做處理 |
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好那我們繼續往下看齁在去年的時候呢看到澎澎凱委員有跟你提到問到說這個台灣的這個有沒有一個科學的根據的數據去支撐這個限速的部分齁那請問部長那這邊因為是大家用測速照相機在搶錢啦所以說這一部分有沒有人可以告訴我說現在道路的速限的標準有沒有寫在哪一條 |
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報告委員其實不是在哪一條啦是很廣泛的各個規範工程規範裡面其實也有對於速度的限制那這個包含工程設計的過程裡面部長我跟你講其實這部分你說你還沒辦法答出來到底有沒有嘛對不對 |
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你說可能在很多三件可是連兩條都沒有說出來那我們繼續往下看這部分我可以看到的是道路交通標誌標線設置規則當中85條就說了只說像你剛才所說的主管機關要參照那參照是什麼一個標準呢就是參照的是路線設計道路狀況交通量肇事資料跟其他因素可是你說了這部分參照的這個內容之後本身的標準其實就是 |
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這個地方去落實的時候就是沒有標準嘛那怎麼想要去怎麼定都可以啊這個問題呢就可以知道說這個標準85條是一個這麼寬放的只是一個因素在決定參考價值而已那根本就沒辦法去做那這個地方尤其我們看到是有了大車子的向右轉的時候撞死人了然後但是呢卻是用降速的方式呢還設置了照相桿呢來去來因應這根本就是找錯方向啊路長您的回應呢 |
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報告委員每一條道路都有它的設計速率這是最基本的參考那其實也包含了很多其他的參考點不是只有這個您剛剛上面也有寫交通量跟造勢資料例如說很簡單的講學校的附近對 |
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但是我現在的意思是說這就涉及到我們的財產權它包括是道路安全因為我剛剛說的很多地方是大車它違規右轉你們卻是沒有對症下車跑到去把這個限速降低啊這不適用嘛再一說根本就是沒有質疑您剛剛在說的這個都不是交通部去把它速限降低都不是都是地方政府在設定的 |
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因為你們的這個85條其實就是一個當初最高的就是在這個行政命令它是一個規則讓後面的地方能夠因此去做一個規範那在規範當中呢包括是速限的規定上面呢是希望說應該有個指引啦因為你的放空那四個那個因素等等其實是不夠的啦 |
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所以就是說你們是不是可以來去承諾說因為像德國他們已經說了說這個有現行人區是30公里啊市區50公里市區外100公里其實如果相關的這些部分等等呢也應該都有相關的一個指引啊幫你空白授權代大讓地方政府可以去自行去做甚至還變成說是一個可以增加裁員的一種有利方式啊這樣子是沒辦法真正達到 |
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報告委員所以行人友善區的書寫我們本來就是30以下本來就有市區您希望是50公里問題是在於有辦法所有的地方政府全部配合所以我說這個地方就是說因為你的放寬部長你請你要重視到我的重點在於說因為你的那個因素實在太多當然我知道也是有因地制宜可是這些指引是有必要的如果你沒有辦法這樣子看到的是以 |
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北宜高速公路當中的在坪林這部分他是用最小設計速限的方式在公路路線設計規範當中有這個過程去做那但是卻是以最彎曲最危險的彎道卻是去規範所有的北宜高速公路北宜通路的這樣的一個一個速限其實是不合理的啦所以我才說必須要有些指引而且我覺得您在說的指引其實都有存在在哪裡呢現在有辦法這麼多的速率那在哪裡我是不是請局長跟您回答好 |
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我跟各位報告一下這個所謂指引的這個剛剛我也有提到就是指引的部分比如說按照你的道路這個等級那你這些道路包括在丘陵區或平原區那這些相關這個要設計的時候要怎麼如何設計的部分那像公路的部分在公路設計規範裡面有那像市區道路的部分的話這個國土署的市區道路附屬設施相關的一個裡面也有一些設計的一個規範 |
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所以設計過半是一個通則的規定但是到個別的一個路線的時候他會有這個山區平原區這些相關的部分沒有因為你設置到跟地方政府有相關的現在設置到有至少有三千的這樣的一個測速測像桿嘛所以這邊我想說你是不是給本席一個這樣子報告說這邊目前的這樣的一些你們有的這個執行等等還包括地方政府他們怎麼樣去落實是不是可以給本席一個報告 |
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你需要這樣的資料我們會提供給你OK 好 謝謝希望大家能夠尊重到我們的保障到我們的這個用路人的或是在用車的用路人的這個安全好 謝謝謝謝我們非常感謝劉書斌委員好 接下來黃婕黃婕 黃婕委員不在好 我們要請廖先祥委員發言 |
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好謝謝謝謝主席麻煩幫我要請陳部長請陳部長我們楊局長一起好了那個鐵道局楊局長楊局長部長這個會期不在交通委員會許久不見甚至想念 |
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但我關心的議題您應該都知道啦首先這個會期還是想要先跟您還有楊局長探討一下我們這個汐止的新北市汐止的軌道運輸啦那除了汐東縣核定他目前在修正這個修正計畫沒有那麼急迫外啦另外兩個還沒動工的就是基隆捷運跟那個台北的民生縣那一段嘛 |
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那想先確認一下我們的這個基隆捷運之前工程會有一些意見的嘛那目前新北市政府也已經在提升修正計畫進來了那我們目前交通部處理的狀況怎麼樣那大概哪時候可以再這個函給工程會是 報告員我們鐵道局在4月中旬會來召開會議來做審議是那這個部分如果要更詳細我是不是請局長來回答 |
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好 那我們審議完了之後到工程會就是一樣的問題工程會再討論一次嗎還是會說我們鐵道局討論的跟工程會討論的會是不一樣的項目 |
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是針對工程會的意見來做處理那這次因為工程會有提出包括預算的編列的問題包括工程相關的設計上的問題那我想我們來協助新北市政府在這些議題上面來去回應工程會的意見所以有一點算是幫工程會預審把關的概念了啦也就是說工程會 |
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充分尊重的話原則上我們這邊省過工程會的意見就不會太大了可以這樣理解嗎好那就再拜託我們鐵道局再多多的指導那另外一個這個台北民生線的部分就是西東線的延伸東湖到寧夏夜市這一段那之前的問題在於兩個嘛一個是營運單位嘛另外一個是機場經費分攤的部分營運單位好像之前討論的差不多了嘛那不確定機場這個經費分攤的部分還是說我們有什麼其他的問題目前還在探討中需要去克服 |
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跟委員報告八堵機場的議題這個共識還在努力當中所以經費分攤還沒有還沒有下來好啦那再拜託啦再拜託我們幫幫這個部長這邊是幫忙授權一下局長多多邀請其實專業最專業啦那需要裁員的部分這個各地方政府自己本來就要去做一些指引嘛我們交通部多多的協助啦好那再拜託這一點是應該算是整個西龍縣已經開始做了 |
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那既然已經投資下去了要讓他的效益能夠高那就必須要整條線的串聯才能讓整個西東縣的捷運能夠來提升我想這應該是大家都會認同的一件事情另外還有一個事情就是現在捷運的補助之前這個我們就不去探討過去的原因了現在補助確証少一點那有一些聲音出來說因為有一些軌道建設現在已經是地方政府已經負擔了 |
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可能一定很高的一個比例了中央補助的比例相對起來比較低了可能因為我們地方比較有錢了出了更多人那地方有聲音說那是不是既然都已經幾乎是地方出了未來如果說還有相關的軌道建設都地方出的錢那中央一定要透過在中央審查的這一段的行政程序嗎如果說他們願意 |
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假設100%自籌這個軌道建設的話那這樣子的程序你們認為有沒有機會未來修法來做修改大眾捷運運輸法之類的讓地方在做軌道建設一部分為自己的負責任一部分加速行政流程 |
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是 報告委員 這個部分我們要做通盤的檢討啦就是我們的審查要點裡面其實沒有把百分之百地方出資這一項把它挪移掉那我們可以來做這方面的討論可以來討論啦 這個可以加速行政流程那一部分也是地方政府既然都全部他自己的出了錢他應該要對自己的稅金更要能夠對自己的市民去交代 |
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那另外一個請教一下還有點時間就是我們的那個自駕車之前我們不是台美對等關稅有提到說我們的車輛的檢驗如果說如果簽訂現在還沒簽訂如果簽訂了我們才納美國的檢測標準那大家會說那特斯拉是不是就能夠進來用自駕了那我知道在技術面跟法律面可能會有脫鉤的情況那部長這部分能不能多做一些說明如果說台美關稅簽訂了照之前大家講的那個版本過了 |
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那我們特斯拉的自駕系統那在台灣上路的試用情形大概會是怎麼樣子的報告委員我對於交通部的要求是我們的法令必須要走在業者的需求之前也就是說車子研發出來了沒如果有的話我們法令要走在前面第二個當然特斯拉在美國已經可以自駕了 |
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有沒有要引進如果有要引進的話我們一定要有適用的法令不可以沒有所以這個部分其實我們交通部都有在對接到國外的法令那我們的法令也會先準備起來如果當有業者要進來或者是委員知道有這樣的訊息給我們我們就會把法令做到完畢因為他說他是那個雲端更新就可以了其實每輛車都可以的只要說台灣開放的話還是請市長多做一些說明在實務面 |
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這個部分我跟委員報告一下這裡面有兩個課題啦第一個部分就是說台美關稅談判裡面所涉及到的是這個安全法規的部分那剛剛委員所提到那個自駕的這個部分那個已經有些是跳脫到安全法規之外了那個只是就是說從Level 1到Level 5的一個部分 |
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那每一個這個他層級到什麼地方然後來到那個地方可不可以這個落地的一個課題啦那這個有一些像美國這個支架他開放也是到這個頂多到L2 Plus那有一些所謂支架的部分還是在特定場域裡面在特定場域裡面就有點像國內的一個這個沙盒 |
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那這個部分的話也就是剛剛早前這個部長有提到的部分國內自駕這些相關的一個部分的話目前大概先朝這個公車這個部分來做推動那這個小客車這個部分的話基本上就是看市場的一個這個所以不是像坊間說的只要開放了進來就可以用而是我們還是有其他除了車輛安全檢驗的部分還有其他的法令需要去做突破才有可能嗎對對對好那以上好謝謝好謝謝委員好非常感謝廖先祥委員 |
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好 接下來我們邀請陳冠廷委員發言你好 我們請部長跟鐵道局局長請陳部長還有鐵道局 跟觀光署署長好 觀光署陳署長 |
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部長好 部長我們先看一下我們的這個斗南車站的站前廣場那你看這個站前廣場跟斗南車站經過大幅步的擴建跟整修之後我們現在看到它整個門面看起來非常的乾淨那而且是有一些歷史性的這些建物都可以整體的融合在這樣子的規劃裡面 |
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那我們認為我們的民雄車站它未來我們鐵路高加化之後它的空間也可以往類似這樣的方向去規劃我們這附近有早期的民雄警察分局的這個局長宿舍然後旁邊有鐵道倉庫然後還有農會倉庫那這些空間都基本上都具有歷史的這個意義在那整個人文的對整個民雄鄉的鄉親們來說都有它的歷史意義在那過去我們的車站 |
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規劃的時候他以車站以功能性為主體以交通為主體他沒有辦法把人文地景歷史文化把它包裹進來那現在我們看到說從東南車站的這一個這個潛力看到說未來他是可以有這樣子的規劃的可能性的 |
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那我的鐵路高教化預計是2031年來通車嘛那也就是說在整建的階段我們就可以把整個車站的周遭進行完整的規劃那以後完成之後它不是只是有交通性的意義鐵路高教化之後縫補整個市區讓未來的整個交通更便捷之外 |
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他又可以把整個觀光的因素因此全部都納進去部長你認為民雄車站是不是有可能像或者是說超越斗南的車站未化戰前的廣場而且連結周遭的歷史建物然後把它納入整個車站的新空間 |
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報告委員這個部分我們有在規劃跟討論中那這個過程當中其實地方政府的意見也相當的重要因為這個不是只有我們鐵道局在處理這個軌道的這個高架化而已那我們之前在動工的時候我也跟委員有討論過就是說地方的一些文化跟地方的需求跟地方的創生或許也可以納入未來裡面的商業使用的思考那對於廣場要怎麼使用這個部分或者是說整體的交通動線該怎麼樣去規劃 |
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我們會跟地方政府來做合作那大家來討論什麼樣的方向對地方來講是符合需求而且可以看得到有這個觀光價值存在 |
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我看最近包含整個民雄的重返大學路各地方的NGO 街景文化商圈的這些都已經成了各種不同的公民團體那這些公民團體都在討論說未來怎麼樣去規劃所以參與感是很重的所以未來當然地方政府一定是要納入我們的討論空間相公所 縣政府還有這些地方的公民團體NGO |
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我希望有類似有公民參與這種審議是民主的方式把它全部都納入之後那接下來觀光署的行銷那就可以連結在後面的這個俄羅斯街也好美食文化歷史那整體的行銷就會更加有利所以這個部分 |
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我還是希望說是不是能夠請這個我們會希望縣政府來帶頭那很快縣市長的這個選舉交接可能會是在這一年會比較忙碌但是我們希望說在那之前我們就可以先開啟這樣子的作業所以我們回去也會跟地方的縣府 |
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官員們來討論說是不是就儘快來開始把這個前期就不要到後期的時候再規劃前期就必須先想好 是那納入大家的這個考量然後儘快把它去推動這部分局長也覺得是我們可以把它納入的嗎 |
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剛剛委員報告因為民雄車站的這個建築還有包括跟周遭商業上面的整合那這個在去年嘉義縣政府已經召開過都市審的這個審查委員會那基本上在去年五月就已經得到一個原則通過後續是在等都市計畫的變更之後呢再來去做確定的這樣的一個定案那委員剛剛所提示的我想包括 |
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而用一條街北側的廣場還有南側的這個廣場未來都會朝著這個方向來跟地方的創生跟相關的這些活動來做結合 |
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最後就是這部分部長就跟民雄火車站比較沒有直接關係就高鐵的部分那我想未來我們嘉義縣太保站他接下來要承載的是整個嘉義科學園區那嘉義科學園區還是在擴建中包含嘉義的這個實驗高中等等全部都在那個區塊那縣府那邊已經有提示說整體的周遭附近已經開始可能只要 |
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台積電完工之後再擴廠之後就會有臃色的狀態那另外一個部分就是跟高鐵的班次那未來隨著更多的這種國際的這個企業人士來的話我們認為說高鐵的班次可能是可以思考一下是不是像台南一樣增開這種直達的班次或者是多增加班次那對我們整個嘉義接下來的交通上面的輸入會比較有幫助 |
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其實這個部分我們會請高鐵公司滾動檢討就他的需求跟我們實際能夠提供的運量來做檢討那再麻煩部長把這個考量一下好 謝謝委員好 我們非常感謝陳冠廷委員好 接下來我們邀請林倩琦委員發言 |
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好 謝謝我們主席 林總召這邊先請我們觀光局 對不起 交通部部長請陳部長 |
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阿姨部長好因為本席昨天總質詢有兩個議題是跟你們有關的最後一個議題因為時間比較窘迫所以今天本席在這邊在做一個比較完整的一個就教昨天的最後一個議題就是在談我們希望能夠打造一個台灣的朝聖之路這個議題其實本席已經關心很久了 |
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那遠啟最主要是整個長距離徒步的旅行是成為一個很重要的旅遊的趨勢那很具代表性的昨天本席有講過就是西班牙的跟日本的兩條路徑型的文化遺產那這兩個路徑型的文化遺產其實整合了歷史的敘事跟宗教文化還有地方的經濟它其實已經形成了一個國際品牌辨識度非常高的一個旅遊行程 |
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那麼很重要就是說我們其實也蠻有幸的台灣在過去其實我們在許多這個宣教士的一個歷史跟宗教文化脈絡上有這個朝聖之路的條件那東部目前也有人希望能夠在這個部分更做一個強化來做宗教性的一個徒步觀光路往那目前很重要的一件事情就是說中央層級跟地方的一個整合其實還有一些落差所以本席要請教部長那交通部是不是也有評估 |
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把現在分散的一個宣教士的文化路徑整合成為一個徒步的旅遊路網然後在半年內是不是可以具體可行的評估一些事辦計畫事實上台灣現在很多人在走那我們也可以從一些相關的討論看到大家在走的時候的一些需求 |
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那台灣的一些宣教式的歷史足跡其實包括了西班牙的道明會大概在南部跟北部都有這樣一個路徑還有在花蓮有法國外方的一個傳教會東部地區花東也有台東的白冷會跟中部有聖瑪利諾這只是說天主教的系統 |
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其實基督教系統還有馬街 馬雅各等等但目前相關的這些資源都分散在不同的部會當中有文化部然後也有這個園民會的這個園鄉那所以有一些跟觀光署或地方的相關的這個部分其實比較沒有一個整合性 |
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所以這些文化路徑可不可以來結合既有的國家綠道你昨天有談到那淡蘭古道 張之細路 等路然後好好的來建構一個路網成為一個台灣的朝聖路網那事實上這個東西也可以直接跟 |
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目前國外的品牌來做結合或者是我們可以自己獨立發展出來一個品牌那本席這邊提醒我們知道你們現在在觀光轉型上在旅遊的這個旅宿的升級也做了一些投入但是很重要的目前看起來都有點 |
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景點是 可是現在的趨勢是漫遊 徒步旅遊那這個部分其實所需要的經費也不多那有的時候你們就是做一個整合性的工作所以目前不知道你們是不是可以將徒步的觀光跟漫遊台灣納入中長期觀光的一個政策 |
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部長好 謝謝委員的關心您所提到的這個朝聖之路那這是一個應該是蠻新的一個看法在台灣那您提出來是不是我請觀光署也去了解一下類似這樣子的遊程現在的吸引力到底有多大那有沒有可能有一些旅遊團或是觀光團願意走這樣的路程我們先了解一下可能在這個部分一個是所謂的觀光的思維然後一個是自助性的那其實現在很多人在走 |
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那大部分大家會自己連結可是這樣觀光團一併進去的一個方式可能大家這中間要有一些整合跟一些溝通跟對談那是不是你們可以先把這些路網給整理出來然後了解一下目前已經在走的人的一個狀況那看看大家的需求是什麼 |
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那當然這裡面有一個大家也不太熟悉的概念就是過去這種長期徒步的比較長徒步的這個路網型態有這個所謂的庇護所的一個系統這個是台灣可能都完全沒有的一個概念那事實上這個部分也可以透過一些空間的活化或平台的整合跟連結然後把這個系統慢慢的整合起來 |
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那目前現階段其實交通部這邊能夠做的就是路網的一個安全性然後跟一個路網的指示性我想這是第一步可以來做的那本席這邊先做一個這個建議啦但是切入的觀點就如同這個概念在台灣並不是太盛行 |
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所以我們或許可以轉化一個旅遊團或觀光團大部分切入的一個觀點能夠讓大家自助性的或者是自發性的目前已經在走的或者是曾經在國外走過的然後在國內把這個路網再連結起來最重要就是這些宣教士跟歐美文化的一個連結這甚至在外交上很多歐美人來到台灣會尋找這種路徑我想如果外交部比較更深 |
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而且有一些經驗的外交官他們大概都知道這樣一個連結是什麼樣子的一個形態當然觀念很新那最主要就是說可不可以透過了解跟對談把這個路網給建置起來那是不是可以列為這個交通部在這個中長期的一個計畫的一個建置呢我們把這件事列入討論我們把它列進來討論因為過去確實沒討論過謝謝委員提供這麼好的建議那我們以後把它列入討論 |
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好好好謝謝部長好謝謝署長好非常感謝林倩琪委員的發言好接下來蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在好接下來我們要請劉旭廷委員發言謝謝主席交通部陳部長有請好我們請陳部長 |
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委員好部長午安辛苦了交通部是大部業報總是質詢大排長龍就辛苦了但我們今天還是要繼續追這個本期的選區在桃園這我一向都是幫通勤族的權益代言那這段時間雖然小有成果但結構性的問題的改善卻有限所以今天當然我們要持續來做關心通勤族的三大困境在桃園一個叫人一個叫車一個叫路分別不代表不同的題目我希望可以聽到交通部明確的回答 |
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人的困境當然就是國道客運的司機荒這件事情其實我們已經在這裡反覆討論非常多次那曾經有一度有討論比如說橋外生等等有沒有辦法輔導就業讓他變成大客車司機培訓的這樣子一個來源那看當初就講說正在做跨部會的研議但是部長研議到了現在好像還在研議 |
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114年12月統計公路客運價值缺元是661市區客運缺元1367合計缺款超過2000人比起去年10月我們關心這個題目的時候稍微收斂一點點少了253人就是稍微找到了一些人但是恐怕這離2000多人目標還是很大一段距離要走啊所以當初勞動部也預告要修正法規說橋外政部我們要開放嘛總得補人吧但卻在5月公告的時候不見了這中間發生什麼事了是不是請交通部說明一下 |
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報告委員 應該是勞動部那邊對一些條件還有一些疑義不過最近我有跟勞動部長有在做討論我們的各自的意見其實都已經開始在收斂所以我們希望能夠趕快針對橋外生的駕駛的部分能夠來做一些對客運業者的協助時間有沒有明確 |
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你現在講只有五月嘛後來表現不是這樣對不對有沒有新的時間表是我們先把問題解決因為我現在沒有辦法給一個比較具體的時間我本期再給你另外一個建議啦這是曾經我們在國防委員會的時候跟退府會討論的時候其實很多是軍人退役他也要有生涯發展等等 |
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然後也許具備一定的技術嘛所以我講你從各個不同的領域多方的跨部會的協調去看看有沒有辦法去擴大這個人才的儲備庫啦我想這也是值得嘗試的所以我想退役軍人的部分也可以思考一下當然我們的政策都要重優嘛不管是喬艾森這一塊也好或者是其他也好政策上的重優補助讓他大量的誘因我想是很必要的那再來改善環境這我們就不多講因為今天時間有限希望交通部這我們兩個禮拜之內會不會書面回覆你們的辦理進度可以嗎 |
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呃可以可以可以啊OK好謝謝這是人人的困境第二個叫車的困境啊這這個算是有一點點明確進展但是一樣是卡關的狀態嘛這之前很多人包含交通部裡面我們都委員在質詢都希望國道客運可以開放雙層巴士同樣的司機一個司機我載客量double他也是解決問題的一個方式那現在看起來也好像 |
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有開放了對不對已經開放了修法已經修完了對不對那修完之後因為桃園市政府很快啊因為我們桃園非常需要國道客運所以桃園市政府已經看到投影片上已經有補助實施計畫但我要跟部長講殘酷的現實就真的補助實施計畫給的時候客運業者有點害怕 |
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這個部分我們應該會做一些補助啦那詳細的補助我是不是請局長來回答好 |
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跟護委報告一下這個補助的這個部分我們現在在檢討把它納到這個公園裡面但是現在就是還有兩個課題必須要就是有點必須要一點時間第一個部分的話大概面臨到的課題去年公園有53億的經費但是今年只有這個35億所以經費大幅增加所以我們的空間是相當的這個局限 |
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那第二個部分的話因為我想我還是要跟各位報告一下因為這個預算我必須要考慮說通過的預算有多少那個再做調整所以目前大概這是這兩個課題這邊我們內部已經有在研擬這個補助的經驗 |
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你兩個禮拜一樣我至少要知道計畫的內容那我想我跟部長我也很清楚講像這種民生相關的你就大膽的提新計畫因為我們這個立法院通過的其實都是民生相關的你當然提沒有關係或者是未來用追加的方式我相信尤其是照顧通勤族的所有立法委員都不會為難這筆預算但希望交通部至少要點要出來嘛我們讓這個東西明確嘛 |
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那大概業者也許會做比較 有地方政府走比較快 優惠比較多 至少就可以先走我們才可以具體的看到政策成效啦 好不好這一點 一樣我們兩個禮拜之後 我們要有書面 甚至要來做一下討論 可以嗎好 第三個要入的困境 這是我桃園區這個大桃園非常重要的一個交通工程 叫做國道一號甲線現在這個西段 也就是海邊到蘆竹南崁 |
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接到大坑交流道這一段基本上已經開始進行動工非常感謝這個中央地方共同合作來推展的建設但是我要提醒陳部長您可能是來的時間比較新一點這個過去的時候在討論國道一號甲線的建設的時候它其實有分西段跟東段 |
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而東段對於紓解桃園春日路的塞車上交流道的塞車是非常非常重要的但這一段中間一度有一些困難後來變成要分段處理我現在沒有講說你馬上就要變出錢然後馬上動工很難但是我至少希望這個計畫不要被刪除我東段我要重啟討論所以我現在希望交通部重新做研究評估等等現在有沒有相關的進度跟規劃請部長回答我是不是請局長回答可以的 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告因為國藝甲的這一個確實西段的這個部分已經開始了嘛對已經開始了那我們三標的部分都有絕標都有絕標了嘛那東段之前在做這個可研的時候其實本來就委員也知道這邊的話還有很多就是說包括中油的一些煉油廠的相關的一些設施那所以後續的這個部分的話我想我們會再跟因為也涉及到包括這個 |
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經濟部然後還有這個地方的部分我想我們或許這個東研的這個部分的話以前的一些研究的一些基礎我想我們會來做再做一個那個完整的一些檢討這樣子 |
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這個我跟部長跟局長也更新一下進度這從本席就任立委開始我第一個去的地方就是煉油廠經濟部長也跟著去了其中我們就有討論到未來包含除油槽怎麼去做調整路廊怎麼畫最經濟其實跟煉油廠都有展開合理的溝通台灣市政府也同步在進行相關的一個準備所以其實我講今天講我們至少要讓這個計畫重新開始啟動花一點時間做政策溝通都是要的本席也百分之一百願意去協助但希望交通這邊既然 |
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地方已經開始動起來了對於這個有所期待就希望不要再停留在過去的想像說我們做西段就好東段把它遺忘了這我想對桃園的通勤狀況的改善那就是扣分了好不好所以希望交通部部長這個一樣這個會後一樣我們就兩個禮拜了這個都只是講說現在的一個進度跟研究的計畫我們重新把它排上軌道上這我們再來做進一步的研討可以嗎好人車路三個問題拜託交通部長謝謝好非常感謝牛細田委員 |
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好 接下來武麗華 武麗華 武麗華委員不在張宏祿 張宏祿 張宏祿委員不在鄭正前 鄭正前 鄭正前委員不在好 接下來我們要請王洪威委員發言好 謝謝部長我請我們交通部部長以及觀光署署長好 請總部長 請陳署長 |
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委員好部長好署長好請教一下就是前一陣子發生在花蓮鋁魚潭的一個溺水事件大家都覺得非常的難過有關於管轄權責的分配我想請問一下署長我們是不是已經有做了一些相關的釐清權責的部分 |
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是 因為我覺得上次那個事情真的是也非常遺憾然後因為我們現在的觀光的部分因為會很多新的有觀光的體驗的部分那這次的狀況是像有動力船動力船那塊是在航港局這邊來處理那三位以下的部分跟非動力船是航港局授權各地方政府用自治條例的方式來做相關的管理 |
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那因為觀光署的縱管處負責的是鯉魚潭的管理所以鯉魚潭是由觀光署來做觀光署縱管處來做管理還有訂定相關的管理規則 |
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比如说到我们这边来那我们需要是业者到领域团来经营的时候他应该需要具备什么样的条件比如说要符合商单然后比如说要投保等等这些是由关公署这边来负责要求 |
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好所以發生這件遺憾的事件我們將來有關於他的相關的管理規則包含有些業者他已經違反相關的規定要怎麼樣停業那也都是應該是由我們觀光署來訂定是吧 |
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基本上因為公務署在場面經營上面有兩件事情是必須負責的因為第一個是遊客的安全那遊客的安全在現在目前所有當時在整個旅遊台裡面經營的這些業者他目前沒有辦法提出被誰檢驗過他的船隻的安全上面的檢驗目前現在是沒有的 |
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我肯定不管中央地方都以負責任的態度因為不要發生遺憾的事情最後變成用踢皮球的方式至於鋁魚潭的管理的權責在這邊也已經相當的釐清 |
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由觀光署眾管處來做負責好謝謝那我請那個署長先請回部長請教一件事情我覺得這也很重要是前不久發生一件事情就是我們中華電信百分之百投資的中華投資這個是算是中華電一孫公司結果他的董事長叫做丁彥志那麼他去擔任一家叫聖域科技公司的獨董 |
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讀懂但是這家生育科技呢它的第一大客戶剛剛好就是中華電信好 占它的這個比重啊好 非常非常的大中華電信就是這一家公司的第一大客戶好啦 所以外界就認為啊 |
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怎麼會有這樣子啊中華電信成為一家公司的最大客戶然後呢他的孫公司的董事長去做人家讀董這是怎麼樣是當是當顧問嗎還是去當門審當然所以就因為這樣的事情 |
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又遭到外界的質疑所以短短五天這位丁業智董事長就辭去了獨董的職務可這件事情就這樣了了嗎就我們的國營事業的子公司孫公司可以這樣去當他的母公司最大客戶的獨董被外界認為是門神嗎所以我想請問一下部長對這件事情你們的處理是什麼 |
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報告委員第一方面是法令上行不行法規上行不行有沒有限制他去擔任這個獨董那第二是媒體所寫的跟委員剛剛所質疑的也沒有錯觀感的問題社會認為你這樣去擔任這樣子的獨董適不適合那如果第一項在法令上在法令上不行的話 |
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那當然我們就得追究那第二如果觀感上不好的話那我們也希望他可以離開這樣子的獨董的職位這個大概就是我們交通部的態度所以你們就這樣了掉了就這樣了了這個部分請中華電信內部去做了解就是說第一法令上行不行如果法令上不行那當然要要有另外的處置法令上不行他卻又去擔任但第二個可能性然後那董事長這位是簡董事長嗎 |
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總經理總經理 董事長有來嗎沒有來好那董事長他還後來跟他們去就是吃飯啊之類的也被外界在做質疑我認為吃飯不是說完全不能吃飯因為當然你吃飯的內容是些什麼東西但是剛才如果按照部長講的這部長就有點在獲悉你啦 |
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所以因為在法律上沒有然後他只要吃掉讀懂就好了所以他當了五天讀懂就跑掉了就是因為外界觀感不好大家會有利益迴避的原則可是丁彥智不就是你們所派任的嗎我剛講他是中華投資可是中華電信百分之百去投資的公司 |
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如果這樣的話 所有國營事業 像看台電有多少客戶中鋼有多少客戶 中油有多少客戶結果他的子公司 孫公司都可以去當讀董一魚兩吃 |
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這很難看因為這種是放諸四海皆准的一個原則我希望我在這邊做具體的建議不是只是五天內請辭很難看嘛你也承認這個違背社會觀感但是我覺得應該該處理就要處理啊好不好那我覺得丁彥志還適合擔任這個董事長的職務嗎也許交通部應該跟中華電信做一個徹底的檢討好不好 |
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是 我們作為大股東 我們會跟中華電信來討論這個議題好我們非常感謝王宏威委員好 接下來我們邀請葉元之委員發言謝謝主席 麻煩請部長 謝謝請陳部長 |
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部長好委員好我們來關心一下我們選區的建設其實您應該知道我要問什麼因為我跟您提過很多次了從您剛上任的時候就是太阪輕軌了您知道了建設不分藍綠啦當然但是這拖到太久了當時我有跟您提到太阪輕軌他是民進黨前交通部長王國才為了幫民進黨某一位立委助選跑到板橋開的政見 |
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跟大家講說我們要蓋太阪輕軌 社後支線這個是2024年之前王博才對板橋鄉親做的莊嚴沉默結果新北市政府也都很配合啊 積極啊112年開始5月3號就第一次提報然後後來來來回回來來回回已經到了第五次提報 |
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第五次提報是去年的十月十三號當時新北市政府很慎重由侯友宜市長主動召集李議長還有明代然後到現場宣布這件事情來問大家的意見然後大家沒有意見就送出了結果去年十月到今天又半年過去了然後我得知道最新的進度是交通部在二月份的時候又退回了 |
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那退回的理由我跟部長報告因為部長日語萬機啦你可能不會了解到那麼多重大建設啦他的理由是因為太阪輕軌它幾個路段把它改成高架 |
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那我想局長會知道改成高架的原因是因為要提升行駛的速率因為他有時候可能會遇到一些十字路口那如果說高架的話他就可以避開這些十字路口然後所以提高這些速率然後讓這一個可行性可以更高嘛這是一件好事嘛結果提高局又回覆就說請新北市政府說明一下新增這兩段高架路段的必要性 |
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不要緊我跟你講了就這樣然後再來就是說我不懂說人家十月份送這個過來哇 你提這個問題你要開這麼久的會喔你要開四個月的會然後問了一個大災問了一個那麼籠統的問題 |
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這個難免會人家覺得你在卡啦因為如果說絕對不會卡你放心這個不會卡不是啦不要講一套錯一套我說難免讓人家覺得我剛剛講的意思是說人家十月就送來了然後結果審了四鐵道局要審的案子同時要審查案子非常多審了四個月然後只是回了這一個問題欸不只這個問題然後差不多啦部長這個還是要跟你拜託 |
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好不好這個是王國才部長的莊嚴承諾他都已經下來不知道已經幾任部長了然後那個時候啊我們在地方開會的時候民進黨立委因為板橋有兩個立委嘛另外一位啦然後他說哇那時候交通部啊都已經講了社後輕軌的什麼路啊都已經指明是哪一條路了錢都準備好了啊新北市怎麼沒有做這個社後輕軌我現在講的是主線都沒有過啦還要支線欸 |
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主線的可行性研究都沒過那你怎麼承諾嘛你現在讓我們的感覺是說你這個效益很低啊沒什麼可行性啊那幹嘛一定要蓋咧現在感覺就這樣嘛那如果是這種態度的話那當時王國才為什麼來跟大家講說要蓋射後輕軌然後按照民進黨立委的說法是錢都準備好了路都指明了局長我先問一下請問一下他當時是指哪一條路射後輕軌是指哪一條路 |
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報文這個我可能要再瞭解一下所以沒這件事是不是所以那個立委也在隨便亂講然後說錢都準備好請問是錢是準備多少不是啦報告委員那個立委說錢都準備好錢是準備多少一條歸一條啦這一條呃太阪輕軌的部分他的問題我們要去面對跟解決好先把這一條解決完之後我們再來談我沒有我沒有第一個齁不然我沒有說不要解決我沒有說啊很潦草但是這個時程嘛時程嘛 |
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一百一十二年五月三號就已經提了然後到現在已經一百一十五年也快五月三號了已經過三年了不過報告委員裡面有一些修改您剛剛也提到你可以快一點嗎我跟你講任何報告都是會有修改來來回回這我們都知道您在部裡面有一些公文你叫下面的人重送也都OK重點是時程嘛是是 |
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當然會來來回回啊那如果按照你的理由的話十年夠不夠我給你十年夠不夠反正都會來來回回嘛那難道你不能夠找一些方法是讓他來來回回的的時間縮短嗎或者來來回回的頻率降低嗎部長如果說你願意做一定是可以啊所以我現在就是告訴你說地方給我們的回答如果是符合鐵道局的審議會議裡面所要求的那當然所以交通部現在站的 |
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態度就是把你東西給我啦OK的話我就過不OK我就叫你改你現在是比較被動的態度嗎OK這件事是看專業的態度你是比較被動的態度那我已經講了這是交通部長的莊嚴承諾所以你應該是化被動為主動積極的去解決這個問題我的態度很簡單我們會積極希望能夠解決問題不然這已經必須要地方政府能夠配合地方政府很配合不然的話交通部會讓人家感覺王國才部長在 |
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為了選舉亂開支票然後我們另外一區民進黨立委也是為了選舉亂開支票所以你做這個事情是不分藍綠的不分藍綠的主線是在我們那邊沒錯但是支線在另外一個我們一起來爭取所以今天把這個問題凸顯出來我真的覺得太久了啦真的太久了可以加快速度嗎部長 局長可以願意願意協助嗎願意化被動為主動嗎 |
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我們一直都很願意化會不是說看他不OKOK就過不OK就繼續啊不要這種態度啦好不好部長我們謝謝葉委員那下一次那接下來可不可以主動聯絡一下然後然後趕快讓他過可不可以因為趙偉也是民意代表趙偉很懂很了解我們多次的會議啦我們開很多次會議盡力努力啦好不好盡力努力好謝謝感謝我們謝謝葉原之委員好謝謝部長請回座 |
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好 非常感謝我們交通部科同仁還有我們媒體朋友大家辛苦了我們登記諮詢的委員都已發言完畢我們現在做以下的決定一 報告及詢答完畢另外 我們委員廖先祥 游皓 萬美玲蔡春籌 林楚英所提的書面諮詢列入記錄並且刊登公報 |
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第三 我們委員在諮詢中有要求提供一些相關的書面資料或者是我們交通部同仁沒有來得及答覆的部分請交通部及相關機關儘速以書面來答覆另外針對本日會議的討論事項 |
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我們作等以下決議 我們會另外定期再繼續審查好 本次會議結束 散會 |