| IVOD_ID |
17307 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17307 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-27T08:32:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-27T16:31:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:58:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60902c6d25d8e33c5c8bc85bd070859401e44e0a145e6cc6f0f3a6d1f3b4207303e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月31日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:32:43 - 16:31:00 |
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3月7日 |
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谢谢观看 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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1593.473 |
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響鐘 |
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1929.517 |
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1951.548 |
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好 總院長 各位閣員早安我們現在進行國事論壇首先請張志仁委員發言 羅志強委員請準備院長 各位同仁 各位媒體朋友大家早安 大家好 |
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1952.506 |
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1968.335 |
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公務員過去被視為穩定保障的鐵飯碗現在卻逐漸失去光環公務體系正面臨全所未見的逃命潮報考人數大幅下降從12年前的15萬人 |
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1969.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1998.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
瑞捡至今年仅剩8万人离职人数更是暴增到超过40%现在的基层人力严重不足许多人呈现极端过劳甚至有法院新到的书记官全数离职的惨况然而当基层公务员在燃烧生命时我们的高官却在享受特权看看最近北捡牵结的监察院公务车私用案 |
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1999.193 |
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2014.688 |
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監察院前秘書長與多名監委大剌剌的把公務車拿來接送愛犬看牙醫接送親友北檢竟然以他們有自付遊費屬於合理生活範圍以為由認為無圖利背信 |
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2015.589 |
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2031.766 |
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全案輕輕放下請問車輛折舊保養成本以及專屬司機的人力薪資難道不是全民納稅人買單嗎為了只付了屈屈由錢公家的資源就可以變成濫用變成煎尾的私家車嗎 |
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2033.087 |
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2051.413 |
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對照基層公務人員的遭遇過去有祭司騎公務車去公車站被認定為詐欺有小隊者騎車返家被罰了五千元加上法治教育甚至有女警消防局長因為不當使用公務車而被判刑 |
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2052.318 |
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2070.738 |
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北檢輕重高官卻重罰基層公務員坐實了高官能你不能的荒謬雙標此例一開監察院未來如何糾纏百官以正觀真呢監察院的官官相護加上不公不義的體制 |
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2094.686 |
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讓基層公務員徹底絕望如今的人力短缺公務員平日夜晚或週末加班已成常態有些機關規定加班費上限甚至只給補休等到年終打烤雞長官愛將年年打假親近人員卻淪為烤雞吃餅的戴罪羔羊 |
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2101.376 |
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這些受壓榨的優秀人才只能帶著被消息的熱情 黯然的離開公路職場 |
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錯誤的政策及司法雙標正持續拖垮國家的正常運作本席在此嚴正要求民進黨政府必須立即檢討這種只辦基層不辦高官的錯誤文化面對公務人員離職大缺工問題要建構友善的職場環境把尊嚴還給全國軍警與公務員這才是國家與全民之福謝謝 |
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2132.038 |
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堂堂執政黨把自己活成了動物農莊裡的一頭豬 |
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何其諷刺 何其可悲1945年歐威爾寫的《動物農莊》裡面描述了一個故事有兩個領導者 兩頭豬一頭叫做雪球 一個叫做拿破崙雪球說 農莊缺電我們要蓋個風車來發電 |
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拿破仁說這個雪球是叛徒他要背叛我們動物農莊我要把他趕走結果他把雪球趕走了於是拿破仁成為新的領導者一上來三週後立刻宣布動物農莊的朋友們我們要來蓋風車因為動物農莊需要電 |
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我想問問我們賴清德總統你跟這隻拿破崙這隻豬有什麼不一樣啊我不是人生攻擊也不是做你人生的諷刺你為什麼把自己活成像歐威爾筆下動物農莊裡的拿破崙的這頭豬呢為什麼呢我們可以看到經過這一周民進黨整個非核家園大轉彎 |
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連歐威爾我相信看到這個場景都會訝異到舌頭掉出來原來他1945年寫的小說竟然在台灣真實版上演國民黨主張重啟核電民進黨怎麼罵核電不安全核廢無解核廢要放在你家好不好支持核電核廢要放在你家啊我是人我反核啊不反核就不是人啊 |
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這民進黨的神主牌現在賴清德要重啟核電我想請問一下我們的親愛的賴清德總統核廢料要不要放你家今天你就對得起台灣人民所以我們可以看到民進黨這種著是驚飛的例子比比皆是 |
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國民黨就是一路走來始終如一我非常早就告訴大家全世界減碳優於非核是國際趨勢台灣如果把核電排除掉我們缺乏一個最重要的機載電力的時候電價必漲電力必缺遇到國安級的能源危機的話台灣就會陷入一個困境民進黨不聽啊 |
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現在要轉彎了要轉彎可以跟國民黨說一聲謝謝要轉彎可以跟台灣人民說一聲對不起謝謝 |
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院長 各位同仁還有各位媒體朋友大家好護理人員任職於醫院通常會跟醫院簽訂不定期勞動契約護理人員如果要離職依照勞基法的規定預告雇主就可以離職了 |
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但是醫院僱主害怕護理人員離職所以會寄出最低年限寄違約金條款來約束護理人員的離職自由什麼叫最低年限寄違約金條款就是舉例在勞動契約簽訂一條護理人員要任職滿兩年 |
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如果沒有任職滿兩年就離職要賠償相當於兩個月薪水的違約金很多護理人員做不滿兩年就要離職為了能順利離職也只好任賠了事 |
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護理人員有自由離職的權利但是僱主並非沒有以最低年限即違約金條款來約束護理人員離職自由的權限但是你要以違約金條款來約束護理人員離職自由必須你的違約金條款要經過合理性跟必要性的檢驗如果沒有經過合理性跟必要性的檢驗那麼這樣的違約金條款就是無效的違約金條款 |
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那麼什麼叫做違約金條款的必要性所謂必要性就是雇主要付出相當的費用讓護理人員成為不可替代的人選而護理人員驟然離職會造成雇主的損失這時候雇主的利益才有以違約金條款來保障的必要 |
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然而什麼叫做合理性合理性是指雇主所付出的訓練費用必須跟約束勞工的離職自由年限要相當如果不相當就不符合所謂的合理性 |
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然而在醫護的職場上醫院僱主通常都沒有付出相當的費用來讓護理人員成為不可替代的人選所以護理人員的驟然離職並不會造成僱主的損失所以僱主以違約金條款來約束 |
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護理人員的離職自由並不符合必要性那如果不符合必要性當然就更遑論所謂的合理性所以我在這邊要呼籲我們的護理同仁雖然你簽了違約金條款但是你未必要賠償為什麼未必要賠償因為你所簽的最低服務年限即違約金條款未必 |
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未必符合必要性跟合理性的要件所以你簽的違約金條款有可能是無效的違約金條款最後雇主有濫用違約金條款約束護理人員離職自由的現象在臨床實務但沒有相對應罰則我們呼籲主管機關能夠建立相對應的罰則以上謝謝好謝謝邱惠如委員的發言接下來我們請最後一位發言林倩琦委員請發言 |
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2551.075 |
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2567.592 |
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院長、府會同仁、媒體朋友、全國民眾大家好能源安全與淨零碳排非核家園不該綁架台灣賴清的總統已經表態來重啟核電卓榮泰院長也直言非核家園不是省主牌然而行政院至今 |
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2587.441 |
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還沒有正面回應是否要檢討相關法制本席今天要指出的是當世界早已轉向台灣在原地踏步了許久這已經是很大的戰略風險首先呢從國際趨勢來看核能早已重新被定位為能源安全與淨零轉型的關鍵工具 |
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2588.661 |
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2607.23 |
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日本近期重啟全球最大的核電廠並推動延長機組的壽命那日本內閣也意識到中東局勢的升溫天然氣價格的波動以及AI資料中心帶動的電力需求暴增沒有穩定的機載電力就沒有產業的競爭力更沒有能源安全 |
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2608.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2627.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
歐盟執委會Vanderley女士也在3月初指出歐洲過去降低核能比例是一項戰略性錯誤過度依賴進口的燃料使得整體經濟暴露於高風險之中歐盟更預備投入資金來推動小型模組化反應爐 |
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2628.706 |
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2646.84 |
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正式的宣告了核能復興已經是全球的趨勢而我國在非核家園人在環境基本法跟氣候變遷因應法當中以法律自我設限這樣子的制度設計使得政策缺乏彈性也與國際的趨勢脫節 |
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台灣高度依賴進口能源那一旦地緣政治衝突升高油價天然氣的價格都會升高供應鏈中斷也可能成為很大的一個風險那麼也會直接衝擊到電力的穩定跟民生物資當AI半導體先進製程持續擴張電力需求只會上升不會下降如果沒有穩定低碳跟可預期的電力來源台灣如何維持全球供應鏈的關鍵地位 |
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2705.433 |
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本席在此呼籲政府應該儘速調整能源政策的一個方針第一行政院應該儘速來嚴謹修正環境基本法跟氣候變遷因應法當中非核家園的相關條文甚將立法院跟各委員會版本來並按審議還給能源政策應該有的彈性空間第二我們要務實地檢討核能的定位把它納入能源轉型的工具之一與再生能源儲能的系統 |
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共同构成多元且穩定的電力結構整體而言當民主夥伴國家們已經用行動來證明核能是能源安全與經營轉型的重要支柱我們也必須要在這當中趕快把我們的優勢找回來能源政策不要再受意識形態的牢籠所困我們要趕快面對現實來做出正確的選擇現在就是檢討非核家園重新佈局能源戰略的關鍵時刻 |
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2734.94 |
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2754.743 |
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好 謝謝林健齊委員的發言 謝謝我們登記國事論壇發言的委員已經發言完畢請各黨團幹部上午4點自主席辦公室議場後方我們來進行本次會議議程的溝通謝謝李玉琳委員 謝謝鍾嘉斌委員陪同我們一起參與今天的國事論壇 現在休息 |
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5426.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
5444.398 |
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好 報告委員 我們現在請民主黨報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員76人已足法定人數我們現在開會 本次會議的議程有待溝通請各黨團幹部在這拜託大家到議場後方主席辦公室我們來進行溝通 現在休息 |
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7274.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
7276.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
抱怨會我們現在開始繼續開會先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事院宣讀 |
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7281.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間115年3月27日星期五上午實施地點議場主席辦公室決定事項一 各黨團同意4月7日星期二與3月27日星期五31日星期二合併為一次會議4月7日進行委員個人質詢內政組織質詢當次會議不處理臨時提案主持人韓國瑜協商代表傅坤祺 林佩祥 徐宇貞蔡其昌 莊瑞雄 范雲陳清隆 王安祥 邱慧如宣讀完畢 |
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7311.997 |
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7335.843 |
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请问院会对以上朝野党团协商结论有无异议?没有异议,我们通过115年3月27日朝野党团协商,经决定如下。各党团同意4月7日星期二与3月27日星期五、31日星期二合并为一次会议,4月7日进行委员个人咨询内政组织咨询。 |
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當次會議我們不再處理臨時提案報言會一場二樓龐丁來自台南大學EMBA的同學我們掌聲歡迎各位同學 |
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因為程序委員會本次會議的議事日程草案送院會處理現在有黨團依照本院議事成立對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議我們現在進行處理並截止收案現在黨團共識如下一議程草案確認 循例一提案先後進行處理二新增一般提案有三案 |
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均不做提案說明大體討論各案由各黨團推派一位委員發言每人發言時間為三分鐘發言完畢之後依題進行表決三 今日上午院會進行自討論事項處理完畢即休息下午進行施政質詢議程四 下週二院會繼續進行施政質詢我們先進行報告事項部分 |
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我們本次會議會後續就依照黨團共識來進行我們先進行報告事項部分請議事人員宣讀黨團題內容本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第五會期第五次會議議事成報告事項擬請增列36案如覆表請依照議事成草案所列報告事項質詢事項其對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢是否有當進行公決 |
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本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第五次會議議程報告事項質詢事項及對習近平院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢提議議程草案報告事項第十九案不予列案並僅限列其餘議程草案及效表所列第六十二案是否有當進行公決 |
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本院國務黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第五次會議議程報告事項諮詢事項其對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續諮詢提議僅限列除議程草案第十九案外其餘議程草案及下表所列六十二案是否有當進行公決宣言完畢 |
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7901.428 |
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好 按鈴時間已到 請問各位委員是否都有拿到表決卡好 我們要開始進行表決針對民進黨黨團提議進行表決現在民進黨團要求記名表決贊成民進黨黨團提議 請按贊成反對 按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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好,謝謝我們來報告報告表決結果報告表決結果 |
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8034.482 |
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向院會報告表決結果出席107位委員贊成49位委員反對58位委員贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過部委會我們進行處理台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因為國民黨團之提議與該黨團提議相同我們一併進行處理 |
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8040.998 |
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請問議員會針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議通過有無異議有無異議有異議我們要進行表決我們現在針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議進行表決現在民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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8140.032 |
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8142.655 |
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報告表決結果出席108位委員贊成59位反對49位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團提議照案通過幫議會張家俊委員發表聲明 |
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8154.287 |
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8165.358 |
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剛才的表決與國民黨團意見一致,我們列入公報記錄本次會議議事事成報告事項,質詢事項及對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢,照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體通過我們繼續處理討論事項部分 |
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8176.431 |
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現在處理台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因為國民黨團提議與該黨團提議相同我們一併進行處理請議事人員一併宣讀提議內容 |
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8186.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
8211.329 |
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本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第五次會議議事程討論事項建請警協列案如下表散案並於對協政院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢前處理是否有道進行公決本院國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第五次會議議事程討論事項建請警協列案如下表散案 |
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8212.089 |
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8219.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
並於對行政院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢前處理是否有道進行公決宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
8229.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
8235.788 |
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現在針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議我們要進行表決民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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8316.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
8317.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
抱怨會報告表決結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
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報告表決結果在場出席為109位贊成59位反對50位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議照案通過本次會議議事程討論事項照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議通過報告本次會議議程就照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議及協商結論通過本次會議議事程確定我們現在進行報告事項 |
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8352.592 |
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8354.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
請秘書長宣讀第五會期第四會議議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
8356.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
8386.552 |
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宣讀立法院第十一屆第五會期第四次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十五年三月二十四日地點本院議場出席委員換委員允等一百十三年內席官員行政院長卓榮泰等主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第五會期第三次會議議事錄決定確定第二次一百七十案其中第一百二十九案為本院委員歐小玲 |
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審判會當選第十一屆第五會期程序委員會召集委員第138至141、173案均決定進獲讀與相關提案並按協商其一案均決定交付相關委員會審查處理或交付相關委員會處刑事項本院委員處刑部門一件 |
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8410.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
討論事項第一二案均決議交互黨團協商對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續執行決定下次會議繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之執行其他事項本次會議事項則照台灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團提議通過宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
8433.609 |
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| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我們現在處理爭議的部分請宣讀第一案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
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1.委員黃建豪等領據海關進口說則部分說則修正草案離交財政委員會審查宣言完畢2. |
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| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
8471.112 |
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委員翁小林等領據有限廣播電視法第四條基地五十八條條文修正草案離交交通委員會審查宣言完畢3. |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
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委員翁小林等領據廣播電視法第五條基地四十四條修正草案離交交通委員會審查宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
8478.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
8506.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
四 委員吳曉琳的凝聚律師法增添第35條 虛擬條文草案 立交司法及法律委員會審查 宣言完畢五 委員盧憲毅的凝聚兒童欺少年福利與權益保障法部分條文修正草案 立交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢六 委員盧憲毅的凝聚就業保險法部分條文修正草案 立交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢七 委員鄭年才的凝聚就業保險法部分條文修正草案 立交社會福利及衛生環境委 |
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8508.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
8509.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
委員通過審議委員通過審議委員通過審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
8526.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
8533.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
10.委員賴世寶等你廢止 行政院農業務委員會 組織條例 擬交司法及法制經濟 良好委員會審查 宣達定11. |
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| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
8540.211 |
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委員賴世寶等你廢止 行政院農業務委員會 稅務保持局組織法 擬交司法及法制經濟 良好委員會審查 宣達定12. |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
委員賴世寶等你廢止 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
8551.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
行政院農業委員會農業金融局組織條例 禮教司法及法治經濟良緣或審查 宣布完畢五一通過 下言十四 委員會農業委員會漁業署組織條例 禮教司法及法治經濟良緣或審查 宣布完畢五一通過 下言 |
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8566.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
8567.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
8591.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
8592.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
吳亦彤國昌憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
8608.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
8621.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
二十一委員 羅思祥 等你去就業保險法部份條文修正草案你將身為福利及衛生環境委員會審查 許可畢二十二委員 吳聰憲 等你去就業保險法第十九條 居然條文修正草案你將身為福利及衛生環境委員會審查 許可畢 |
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8630.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
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六十三 委員羅廷偉等你據 公務稅條例第十二條條文修正常案你將由財政委員會審查 詢問筆六十四 委員羅廷偉等你據 優惠教育及照顧法第七條條文修正常案你將由教育及文化社會福利及衛生環境人員委員會審查 詢問筆六十五 委員羅廷偉等你據 律師法增提第三十五條是一條文常案你將由司法及法律委員會審查 詢問筆六十六 委員羅廷偉等你據 海洋委員會海巡署組織法第三條及第十一條條文修正常案 |
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8658.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
8659.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
我一同我宣言我一同我宣言 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
8676.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
8677.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
五一統合宣言五一統合宣言 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
8717.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
31 委員徐曉信能具 少年事件處理法第27條及第81條條文修正草案 禮教司法及法治委員會審查不依同我宣言32 委員徐曉信能具 國民聯金法部份條文修正草案 禮教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查不依同我宣言33 委員徐曉信能具 兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第27條條文修正草案 禮教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查不依同我宣言 |
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8717.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
8742.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
三十四 委員林俊憲的理據 中華民國刑法第八十條條文修正常案 禮教司法及法制 委員會審查 宣傳並三十五 委員林俊憲的理據 中華民國刑法事實刑法第八條之二條文修正常案 禮教司法及法制 委員會審查 宣傳並三十六 委員林俊憲的理據 兒童及少年性博學防制條例 增定第五十三條主要條文常案 禮教社會福利及環境司法及法治 兩委員會審查 宣傳並 |
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8742.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
8765.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
三十七 委員王振旭等領據 所得稅法第十七條條文 修正草案你將財政委員會審查 我已通過審案三十八 委員王振旭等領據 國民年金法部份條文 修正草案你將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 我已通過審案三十九 委員王振旭等領據 性別平等工作法第十六條及第十九條條文 修正草案你將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 我已通過審案 |
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8767.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
8794.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
40 委員李坤誠的凝聚 發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案 擬交交通委員會審查 順利完畢41 委員李坤誠的凝聚 資管防守法修正草案 擬交司法及法治委員會審查 順利完畢42 委員王美惠的凝聚 中華民國新法第八條條文修正草案 擬交司法及法治委員會審查 順利完畢43 委員王美惠的凝聚 中華民國新法實行法第八條書二條文修正草案 擬交司法及法治委員會審查 順利完畢 |
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8796.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
8813.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
44.委員王美惠的凝聚,海洋委員會海巡署主審法第3條及第11條條文宣任草案,擬交司法及法制內閣兩委員會審查,宣批。45.委員王美惠的凝聚,就業保險法第11條、第17條及第19條、13條文宣任草案,擬交司會服理及衛生環境委員會審查,宣批。 |
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8814.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
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四十六委員 黃潔仁理據 森林法部門條文修正草案 禮交經濟委員會審查 宣傳文憑四十七委員 黃潔仁理據 犯罪被害人權益保障法第六十三條及第一百條條文修正草案 禮交司法及法治委員會審查 宣傳文憑四十八委員 黃潔仁理據 國民聯金法部門條文修正草案 禮交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳文憑 |
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四十九 臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚 臺灣各家語言發展法常任 理教內政委員會審查 宣告完畢五十 臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚 所得稅法第十七條條務修正常任 理教財政委員會審查 宣告完畢五十一 臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚 救世法第二十五條及第五十三條條務修正常任 理教教育局文化委員會審查 宣告完畢五十一 臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚 救世法第二十五條及第五十三條條務修正常任 理教教教育局文化委員會審查 宣告完畢五十一 臺灣民眾 |
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五十二 台湾民众党的团体区 当选法第35条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50方条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50方条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50方条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50方条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50方条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50方条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50方条条文修正常案 拟交与教育法第2条及第50 |
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五十六 臺灣民眾黨黨團體廢止內政務一件署組織條例 擬交司法及法制內政兩委員會審查 宣告立五十七 臺灣民眾黨黨團體廢止內政務一件署組織法 擬交司法及法制內政兩委員會審查 宣告立五十八 臺灣民眾黨黨團體局 交涉待遇條例第十九條及第二十六條 條文修正常案 擬交司法及法制教育檢控法 聯委員會審查 宣告立 |
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五十九 台湾民众脑脑团聚 交易部提出组审法 理交司司法及法治交易计划 联合委员会审查 宣传对五一通过宣言六十一 台湾民众脑脑团聚 劳动基础法第七十九条 联合委员会审查 宣传对五一通过宣言六十一 台湾民众脑脑团聚 劳动基础法第七十七条 集体七十五条 联合委员会审查 宣传对五一通过宣言 |
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本次會議報告事項記載於議事處順序授權議事處進行調整我們現在要繼續進行處理遠列報告事項報告院會現在在議場二樓貴賓席來自日本島根縣縣議會的議員參訪團我們掌聲歡迎 |
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我們現在請宣讀第二案二 委員張志倫的領據保全業法第十條是一條文修正常案 禮教內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢三 委員廖憲祥的領據所得宣法第十七條條文修正常案 禮教財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢四 委員廖憲祥的領據停車場法第十七條是一條文修正常案 禮教交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢五 委員廖憲祥的領據川普法第十一條及第八十一條條文修正常案 禮教交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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六 委員廖先生的理據 專業保險法第十九條 十二條維修正常案 禮教育社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查七 委員王宏偉等理據 專科學校法第四十四條 維修正常案 禮教育教育局委員會審查八 委員王宏偉等理據 大學法第三十五條 維修正常案 禮教育教育局委員會審查 宣言完畢九 委員王宏偉等理據 高級中等教育法第五十八條 維修正常案 禮教育教育局委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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無意通過我們補宣告甄列第62案無意通過報告委員會我們現在在議場二樓旁聽了來自台北市市立大學的同學們我們掌聲歡迎 |
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第四案無疑通過宣言無疑通過宣言無疑通過宣言 |
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十三 委員充加併等人據詐欺犯罪危害方式條例第八條第十三屬四條及第三十五條條文修正草案禮教內政委員會審查十四 委員充加併等人據發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案禮教交通委員會審查十五 委員充加併等人據勞工推銷金條例第二十三條條文修正草案禮教社會福利優勝環境委員會審查十六 委員零出分等人據專業保險法第十一條第二十條及第二十五條條文修正草案 |
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第十九案方才已經確認議程我們不予列案請繼續宣讀第二十案 |
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二十一委員林楚穎等聆聚銀行法第十二條之一集第五十二條條維修正常案禮交財政委員會審查宣傳庭二十一委員林楚穎等聆聚議事案及正義宣發部分條維修正常案禮交財政委員會審查宣傳庭二十二委員林楚穎等聆聚國民典運法第二條第三條集第四十四條條維修正常案禮交教務局王化委員會審查宣傳庭二十一委員林楚穎等聆聚 |
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我已通過下言我已通過下言我已通過下言我已通過下言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
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有实际委员中愿手等你去跟从首脑防治法第二条及第四条的无休生草案你将内居人身为腐敌的环境两位有费审查我已通过下言我使法委员中愿手等你去不明体育法部门条无休生草案你将用这物品往后有费审查我已通过下言 |
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無疑通過下言無疑通過下言無疑通過下言 |
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9217.714 |
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9222.478 |
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三十四 委員審判會的理據海洋運動會海巡署組織法第3條及第11條條文修正草案禮教司法及法治內政兩委員會審查 |
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9233.726 |
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9263.279 |
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三十六委員審判會的領據陸海公區刑法第二十四條條文修正常案禮教司法及法治 衛教及國防 聯邦委員會審查請你完畢三十六委員審判會的領據衛生福利部 組織法第二條 第五條 基地一般條條文修正常案禮教司法及法治 社會福利及安全環境 聯邦委員會審查請你完畢抱怨會第三十六案現在由民進黨黨團提議淨富二讀與相關提案並案協商請院會有異議面議本案淨富二讀與相關提案並案協商 下議案 |
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三十七 委員審判會的理據 衛生福利部而授及江寧政治署組織方查案 領交司法及凡事社會福利及衛生環境難問委員會審查 宣言完畢報告議案第三十七案現在由民進黨黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商 下議案 |
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9304.635 |
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三十八 委員審判會 等於具五項安理要科技評估中心事實條例採任 理教四份及法治 社會福利及衛生環境的兩項擁護審查 宣布完畢報告議會 第三十八案現在由民進黨黨團體 金富二讀與相關提案並案協商請願會有異議沒有異議 本案金富二讀與相關提案並案協商 下一案 |
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三十九 原审判会的邻居 卫生福利部长期受雇及社会发展署组织了掌案 离交司反射社会福利及卫生环境 两位委员会审查 宣传会议会议会议会议 第三十九案 民进党团提议进复二读 相关提案 并按协商 请问会议会有无议没有议 本案进复二读 相关提案 并按协商 下一案 |
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9325.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
歡迎回第40案 民進黨團體 |
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9366.552 |
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进一步二度相关提案并案协商请愿意有意愿意本案进一步二度相关提案并案协商下议四十一委员陈少敏的领据公司法第十三条条文修正常案你交司法及法治委员会审查无意通过下议四十二委员令一进的领据原住民族传统智慧创作保护条例部分条文修正常案你交内政委员会审查无意通过下议四十三委员令一进的领据中华民国新法第八十条条文修正常案你交司法及法治委员会审查无意通过下议 |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
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44.委员令引起能力据中华民国新法第211条及第212条条文修正常案离交司法及法治委员会审查委员令引起能力据刑事诉讼法在内第361条之一条文常案离交司法及法治委员会审查委员令引起能力据 |
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9410.474 |
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四十九 五月二零一几 等邻居 儿童及少年性不屑防治条例 增添第五十三条之二条文草案 离交社会福利及华盛环境司法及法治 联网委员会审查 宣传完毕四十九 五月二零一几 等邻居 国民年金法第五十四条之一条文修正草案 离交社会福利及华盛环境委员会审查 宣传完毕四十八 内政部修正 国有耕地与放零实施办法 离交内政委员会 宣传完毕四十九 外交部还赠无辜于日本 输定 |
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9422.464 |
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修訂之 關於實施台日打工度假簽證措施部分內容中日文本 換含約文 擬交外交及國防委員會 宣布完畢無異通過 宣揚無異通過 宣揚 |
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9460.644 |
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五十一经济募修正度量衡器行使认证管理办法第四条文 离交经济委员会 宣传完毕五十二经济募修正度量衡液应被绝对度量衡标准器及追溯检浇机构部分规定 离交经济委员会 宣传完毕五十三经济募修正冲击节约会费收费办法第21条第23条文及第28条副表3 离交经济委员会 |
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五十四 農業部修正公告美國威斯康星州 俄亥州為高病原性價錢流失性感冒肺疫區 領交經濟委員會五十五 農業部修正公告美國密西西比州自高病原性價錢流失性感冒肺疫區刪除 領交經濟委員會五十五 農業部修正公告美國密西西比州 |
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五十六 農業部修正中華民國輸入植物或植物產品檢疫規定以有條件輸入植物或植物產品之檢疫條件第十三點規定 及其附件美國產加工用馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件 履交經營委員會 宣布議題五十七 金融監督管理委員會 函送有關證券投資信託及顧問法 第五十六條 聽一項企業證券投資信託事業 證券投資顧問事業 經營全球委託投資業務管理辦法 第十四條 規定確定 履交財政委員會 宣布議題五十八 五十 |
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9522.118 |
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五十八金融監督管理委員會修正保險業財務報告編制準則第十二條第三十九條條文集體二十九條格式八十九你叫財政委員會宣傳並五十九金融監督管理委員會修正正確保險業財務報告編制準則部分條文 |
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及第十九条格式一至格式二至一格式四你交财经委员会宣言无疑通过宣言六十一卫生务力公园为本月修正使用排照讯法第五条条文通过附带权益节奏强化复康发势及长照交通车量能及减轻长照交通节奏负担之计划书面报告你交财经委员会宣言无疑通过宣言六十一交通部修正北海岸及观音山国家风景区危险区域限制事项你交交通委员会宣言无疑通过宣言 |
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主席吳亦東議員 |
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六十三 交通部含送商場區域特定範圍內遙控無人機飛行活動申請警方立法並自一百十五年二月一日施行離交交通委員會 宣告完畢六十四 司法院含送精神衛生法三成員推薦辦法離交司法計劃支援委員會 宣告完畢五一通過 下言 |
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六十五 財政部修正 財政部 北京國稅局 竹北分支編制表等四項編制表並自一百十五年二月一日生效 領交司法及法治財政聯盟委員會宣讀完畢五一通過 下議案六十六 交易部促銷一百十四年十五月八日修正發布之國家圖書館處官呈領交司法及法治教育健文化聯盟委員會宣讀完畢五一通過 下議案 |
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9613.395 |
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我們一場二樓旁聽又來了一批來自新竹縣竹東鎮代姓中青會的好朋友們我們掌聲歡迎 |
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9633.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
我們第68案至171案依序宣讀其中68到7377至7984 86 88至96102 103 150 151 153 154案 |
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9651.728 |
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9665.307 |
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台灣民眾黨團體改交審查第76案國民黨團體改交審查宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委會審查其餘的議案照議事處意見通過請問院會有無異議 |
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愿意我们开始宣读宣读之后通过请宣读第六八案大陆委员会第六九案科加委员会第七零案及第七一案内政部第七二案及第七四案海洋委员会第七五案不当党产树林委员会第七六案及第七七案国防部第七八案外交部第七九案及第八二案经济部第八三案及第八四案财讯部第八五案及第八七案金融建筑管理委员会第八八案国家科学及技术委员会第八九案文化部第九十案 |
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9697.396 |
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9722.289 |
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國立故宮博物院第九一案及第九二案交通部第九三案及第九四案數位發展部第九五案國家通訊傳播委員會第九六案總統府第九千案衛生福利部第九八案運動部第九九案及第一百案中央研究院第101案及第102案國家通訊傳播委員會第103案及第147案交通部第148案行政院第149案及第150案內政部第151案及第154案經濟部第155案及第 |
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一五七案 輔加科學及技術委員會 第一五八案 運動部第一五九案 指定一七零案 交通部第一七案 原住民主委員會 含為各年度相關運算一百十四年度中央政府總算附屬單位運算中央政府花蓮 馬丹 新葉色湖 災後重建特別運算中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫 第五期特別運算等運算決議分別寫成相關報告 宣讀完畢 |
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官員會第172案以下一併宣讀宣讀之後均准予被查請宣讀 |
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第172案為本院經濟委員會函為運會交付審查財團法人工業技術研究院112年度預算書案等案均已於年度預算執行期間第173案為本院經濟委員會函為運會交付審查硬化玻璃股份有限公司管理委員會112年度決算書案等案均已於決算法第28條鎖定審議期間第174案及第175案為本院社會福利及外商環境司法及法治委員會函 |
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包括事項處理完畢我們現在進行討論事項第一案 |
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9826.534 |
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本院台灣民眾黨團建請院會作成決議要求行政院院長卓榮泰即刻核准各部會動資業經通過之新興民生計劃預算並依法編列警察軍人之相關預算請公決案現在請議事委員宣讀提案內容 |
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9827.216 |
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本院台灣民眾黨黨團有敬於協政院長卓榮泰濫權違法恣意踐踏憲政體制拒絕依法編列立法院三讀通過之軍人待遇條例及警察人士條例相關一證嚴重違反依法行政原則加工立法院治理法權 |
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此舉不僅造成115年度中央政府總運算案之編列基礎失序更導致立法院無從依法審查嚴重侵害憲政分權秩序有有甚者民進黨政府不思檢討反屢屢將為依法編列法的運算之責任刻意扭曲為朝野對立所致企圖混淆視聽轉移施政職能之焦點 |
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9866.494 |
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9893.97 |
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其政治操作之明顯以嚴重損害政府公信力為避免國家施政因其政權之消極怠惰與政治算計而陷入停滯立法院秉持對人民負責之立場主動釋出善意於院會提名明確列舉一百十五年度總預算案中包括TPOS通勤月票功勞保生育給付餐館補助國家用戶任性準備各縣市河川排水整治等十三項 |
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舉高度及迫切之重大新興計畫並經表決同意行政院等於總預算完成審議前依法先行動之以確保民生需求不致中斷然而行政院院長竹蓉泰進行公決案非法律案及 |
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9910.281 |
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9935.438 |
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恐使基層公務員為難等荒謬且背禮法證書說辭推委卸責無視足跡總署遭遇115年3月12日即正式發文監警行政院核實各部會等依立法院主席動之相關預算竹蓉泰院長可以壓制該公務員不予核定發布這使基層公務員進退失據更使有關人民服務者之政策延宕不前 遲等行徑 |
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9936.318 |
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9956.941 |
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顯示卓榮泰院長以政治算計凌駕專業判斷將國家機器工具化對民生傾向失落無度註上所述卓榮泰院長不僅違法失職且長期藐視國會決議破壞憲政秩序自居權力之上位者其行徑也嚴重不服行政院長應有知憲政責任與民主素養 |
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9982.907 |
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墮落失格 原此建請優惠作成權益要求行政院長朱鎔泰即刻核選各部會動之業經通過之新生民生計劃預算共計七百十八億元並依法並列檢查原始條例及軍人之願意待遇調整的法律之相關預算以維護國家整體利益確保人民基本福祉並恢復憲政體制之正常運作是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢 |
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10008.607 |
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法院會依照立法院職權行事法第八條第三項規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即議決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審查依照黨團共識本案提案說明就不再發言我們現在開始進行大體討論依照黨團共識請各黨團推派代表發言首先請鍾嘉斌委員發言洪孟愷委員請準備 |
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10016.601 |
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10039.702 |
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主席在場委員先進先說結論大家只知道718億新興計畫希望院會做成決議讓行政院可以先行動之大家知道嗎718億如果未經正常預算審議未來這718億先行動之了我們院會正式審議今年度的預算變成了700億 |
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如果是700億那18億誰來找呢這就是我們院外要去思考的問題我是第一個發言希望兩位後面的政黨代表回答這個問題因為總預算拖太久了沒有哪一個當年度的中央政府總預算拖到今年度的3月還沒有審怕大家忘記我怕大家複習一下今年度的中央政府總預算是3兆0350億較去年增加了2992億 |
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這當中所謂的新興計畫呢是1017億其中38項國民黨認為要先行動之但是別忘了還有299億也是新興計畫它不重要嗎好 |
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先不說這個除了新興之外地方政府因應期待的還有什麼還有其他延續進化的擴增部分這個部分有多少呢有1975億其中還包括了170億的災害預備金大家知道現在水情吃緊啊 |
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各地方政府都在擔心今年萬一不是風災 也不是雨災 是旱災那我們要不要動資這些災害預備金呢這些也沒有經過審議所以換言之現在藍白說 我們很好心38項新興計畫7彩18月先讓你先行動資但是我們預算只要不省 |
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未來省政府總預算的時候只要刪減了任何一毛錢政府花出去的錢立法院要檢列 找不回來所以我們在這裡誠懇的呼籲後面兩位發言人 政黨代表請告訴大家 |
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這三兆零三百五十億當中較去年新增的兩千九百九十二億當中的新興計畫一千零一十七億你是不是可以做出保證我們只要同意先行動之的我們就同意未來審議的時候不予檢列這樣子才不會造成自己自打耳光 |
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10165.464 |
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另外地方政府因應期盼的包括桃園的地區還有交通部的248億這是屬於延續型計畫的擴增預算要不要讓他過地方政府再拜託還有170億的債務費金要不要限於讓他通過也是不予檢列 |
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10184.95 |
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10211.613 |
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這一點請待會發言的在野黨的代表清楚的跟全國的人民還有各地方的交代如果真的要救命真的要讓民生樂利不要因為其他的突發狀況影響請通過不予間諜的決議謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言謝謝歡迎我們今天立法院非常多的參訪團又來自台南大學所以一批的同學我們掌聲歡迎 |
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10214.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
10217.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
接下來我們請侯孟楷委員發言蔡春籌委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
10227.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
10253.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
主席各位立委同仁過去回應韓院長呼籲民進黨停止大二霸的時候賴清德總統講菩薩為因眾生為果既然因果因果我們就來說清楚在114年1月7號立法院三讀通過警察人士條例已經一年多的時間賴清德總統4月25號公告也已經將近一年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
10258.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
10273.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
沒有軍人待遇條例去年6月10號三讀通過6月27號賴清德總統公告將近9個月的時間請教現在依法行政了嗎沒有 |
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10302.147 |
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因為一百一十五年年度總預算行政院違法漏邊相關的預算也因此造成違法的預算無法違法審查那麼簡單的道理那麼清楚的因果民進黨團還是行政部門還要歐兩謝都我們真的不知道你怎麼好意思更重要的是如果現在還不施行就是行政怠惰就是對不起軍人警察消防 |
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10319.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
718億的新興計畫等13項主計處我們通過的時候也早就已經講了可以依法動之依法行政我們要說拜託不要連依法行政都吃法律自助餐好嗎 |
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10320.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
10339.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
在河門議題上面明明通過是得延長而不是因延長那時候也說要依法行政就可以馬上拋棄所謂的反河省主牌沒想到現在真正應該依法行政的反而自己找自己的一個台階下還不願意來發放 |
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10340.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
10370.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
但我們要講的是即便如此民生不能停擺中央地方一起努力所以包括TPAS包括生育補助津貼包括國家藥物潤性以及各縣市的河川排水等13項計畫哪一項計畫不夠重要哪一項計畫我們沒有站在民生的角度來幫人民優先解決問題結果現在反而是卓龍泰在黨所以我們要正告所有全國的同胞 |
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10371.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
10392.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
未來如果TPAS吃緊那是卓龍泰不同意動用未來如果生育津貼補助沒有領到那是卓龍泰不願意發放未來國家藥物任性無法進行是行政院在阻撓未來河川排水治理落後那是行政院不同意之用 |
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10394.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
10418.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
最後我們也請今天在場所有的好朋友一起來看等一下我們投下同意票跟反對票誰同意站在民生的角度優先動用718億誰反對國人自有公平謝謝謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請最後一位發言的委員蔡春筹委員請發言 |
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10436.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
10460.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
主席各位同仁今天台灣民眾黨團站在這裡是為了要守護台灣民族最基本的底線依法行政憲政分前秩序我們很遺憾的看到行政院長卓榮泰上任以來是 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
10461.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
10490.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
法例如無誤立法院三讀通過金人代議條例還有警察人員人事條例是法例不是行政院的顯配項目行政院拒絕邊內相關法定的一個議算這不只是對立法院的立法權的一個藐視也是對全國基層基金人員洗腦的功難踐踏 |
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10491.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
10510.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
民進黨政府不斷對外放話積極預算僵局抹黑成朝野對立但事實真相是什麼真相是為了不讓民生受苦主動釋出善意通過公決案為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
10512.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
10525.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我們要求行政院先行動之包括T-pass通行業票還有功勞保生育給付河川整治等13項的急迫性新興計畫總計718億然而 |
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10530.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
10551.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
卓院長竟然用公結案不是法律這種荒謬的藉口來推諉更可惡的是主席總署早在115年3月12日就已經發文建情動之這份公文卻被卓院長刻意的壓制不義核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
10553.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
10572.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
卓院長口口聲聲說要溝通做的卻是架空立法院忽視精謹大義的一個行為一個自居於權力之上無視法治精神的行政所長已經完全失去了憲政素養 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
10573.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
10597.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
因此台灣民眾黨在此嚴正的要求第一行政院長應該立即核准十四項新興民生計劃預算讓人民的福利不要再延半第二行政院必須依法補編經營人員待遇調整之法定的預算回歸法治的軌道各位同仁請 |
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10599.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
10615.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
國家機器不應該成為特定一個政黨的一個打擊工具所以我們要求停止消極的豆袋停止政治的操弄讓憲政體制回歸正常運作確保人民福祉不受損害謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
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現在有台灣民眾黨團提議禁服二讀依照黨團共識我們要進行表決現在針對台灣民眾黨團提議禁服二讀進行表決民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團提議請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報應會報告表決結果出席109位委員贊成59位反對50位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團提早案通過本案禁服二讀依據立法院職權新司法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商報應會我們進入討論事項第二案 |
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本院國民黨團建行院會作成決議賴政府行政院長卓榮泰院長盲目推動錯誤的能源政策讓台灣空轉應該予以最嚴厲之譴責請公決案我們請議事們宣讀題內容 |
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本院國民黨黨團有介於飛河江源乃民進黨列入黨綱的神主牌不僅在野時非理性抗爭要求飛河首次執政後甚至片面停建核四造成國部具有損失而後二次執政在蔡英文賴清的接續主政下強推飛河江源入訪能源結構去核化今十年執政最終於2025年5月17日賴總統宣布達成飛河江源目標 |
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日前賴總統近又宣布將評估重啟核二核三廠能源政策集團會不但引發國人議論綠營內幕也炸鍋由於民進黨執政後大力推動綠能微光電離岸風電開發過程弊端不斷 |
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官商攻擊毀農滅漁高額購電費用取名買單如今光電裝置目標已再跳票風電國產化鬆綁衝擊本土業者生存唯一獲利只有綠油油門再者為營營能源去核化民進黨政府重壓火力發電佔比達八成以上其中以天然氣發電為大宗巨幅增加的碳排量對國人健康造成嚴重影響 |
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招機用費發電經受俄烏中東戰爭影響天然氣進口成本飆漲國內安全存量不足不僅讓台電中油二家公司財務雪上加霜供應問題更引發國安危機前總統蔡英文曾說我們有把握在十年內不會大幅漲電價但能源配備做導致成本上升 |
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在內二人執政期間不但調漲六次電價且移除台電三千億人民血汗錢的代價此外由於賴清德總統宣誓重啟核電以核三傳為例預估重啟成本可能高達三千九百億元 |
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更有甚者因民進黨非核家園而停建的核四從計劃投資總額到停工封存及後續燃料棒位於處理費用將近三千億元的經費全部到水漂出屋費和代價約高達九千億元原進行院會作成決議出屋的政策比貪污更可怕 |
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賴政府行政院總太院長無視國家經濟發展最重要的基礎是穩定的電力供應盲目推動錯誤的能源政策讓台灣工程決策髮夾彎導致趙議員名職名高的浪費且有時有愧於國人應給予最嚴厲之譴責是否有當勤工絕恩宣讀還逼 |
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首先請王宏威委員發言 洪玉祥委員請準備 |
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10949.655 |
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主席还有各位委员今天首先欢迎来我们立法院很多个团体民进党政府重启核电出现了一个史诗级的发夹弯 |
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我們樂見錯誤的能源政策終於可以導正因為民進黨執政十年執意一路執行非核家園對台灣的能源結構對台灣的產業乃至於對我們所有的民生荷包產生了非常非常大的衝擊包括電價飆漲 |
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包括台電虧損累累包括用廢發電影響我們國民的健康浪費民脂民膏更不要說光電弊案一直在發生蔡總統 |
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他当时推动非核家园他告诉全部的台湾人说十年不会涨电价但是从2016年开始一路电价飙涨了六次之多从2016年的平均2.54元一路飙涨到2025年的3.78元 |
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漲幅高達48.31這全部都是明指明高台電虧損到現在累計虧損超過4000億更不要說我們用政府預算增資加撥補也達到3000億元之多 |
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光電弊案重生啊多少的糧田餘溫現在是深野光電板 海野光電板然後綠油有賺寶台電跌倒這樣的非核家園所造成的種種的惡果難道不應該被檢討難道不應該面對嗎 |
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在我们讨论重启核电的时候前民进党立委号称云豹小公主赖品瑜委员说重启个屁在去年也在我们的议事厅里面讨论重启让核三演绎公投当时则黄杰委员说谁赞成重启核三就要罢免他 |
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包含在座的費雲委員也說這是國安問題啊如果要重啟的話該罷就罷所以我想請問一下你們用這樣的方式去討論重大的公共政策請問一下你們現在要罷免賴清德總統了嗎你們要罷免賴清德總統了嗎所以錯誤的能源 |
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吳思瑤委員請準備 |
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主席各位委員同仁然後各位來參觀的來賓們民眾黨團對賴總統在先前盤石會當中宣布核二核三重啟打破非核家園神主牌造成黨內黨外很大的一個震撼 |
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但是對於我們從產業結構的發展來講知錯能改善莫大焉我們產業的發展需要的是穩定的一個電力的結構那這一次我們又再度回到一個非常熟悉的印象也就是再一次的校正回歸那麼呢今天這一個飛河一場空代價是全民要扛 |
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而賴總統在先前說重啟的理由是因應AI算力的一個需求因應低碳電力的需求但是又告訴我們說2032穩定供應電源沒問題這是一個非常自相矛盾的一個邏輯 |
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既然是非常穩定的供電那為何又要再重啟如果你已經在當時的AI的發展就已經預估到這樣的需求那就表示電源的供應是足夠的那請問AI是昨天才發生的嗎 |
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上任的時候號稱AI行動內閣但是我們產業聽到的AI現在也被BI的行動內閣絕對不是你的名字LINE的英文有AI我們就可以AI啊那我覺得應該要好好的去思考如果沒有好的能源的結構的政策那我還可以送你一個字叫做FAIL也有AI那就叫失敗 |
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那這樣子的執政黨的政府難道不應該為你過去的能源結構的錯誤來做負責嗎我們付出了多少的代價包含你必須要用火力發電我們現在的這一個燃氣跟燃煤的火力發電的比例已經來到了81%左右我們用我們的廢來發電 |
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然後我們投入再生能源逐年下降因為一直達不到目標從20%到今年下修我看是13%年底到2028才有可能達到20%我覺得這也是一個唬爛所以我們要提出嚴厲的好謝謝洪宇詳委員的發言接下來我們請最後登記的吳思堯委員請發言 |
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主席各位同仁現在在處理的又是一個譴責案藍白又要譴責了上週譴責李博義交委這一週要來譴責卓榮泰院長看不順眼的呢就要譴責霞院報復只會譴責 |
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這個會期立法院法案還沒有過幾個但是呢藍白一再的拿譴責案來當業績至於提案的內容實在是欲加之罪何患無辭實在是非常無奈還是要來打臉跟回應一下王宏威委員說非核家園是台灣災難這是他剛剛的手拿板 |
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提案內容藍白都說停建核四是大錯特錯難道你們在罵的是封存核四的馬英九嗎難道你們在批判的是口口聲聲說非核家園是全民共識的朱立倫嗎難道你們在譴責的是一再的強調核廢沒有處理 |
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11442.409 |
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11447.686 |
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就凭什么又核电的朱立伦到侯友宜吗 |
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11448.959 |
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11477.075 |
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今天非核家園上路314天在民進黨的努力之下我們的政策目標沒有轉彎沒有跳票即便我們邁入非核家園的今天我們的供電的備載容量還是高於10%台灣能夠穩健的供電為什麼你們一再污名化這是錯誤的能源政策 |
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第二 我們面對核安的 我們面對核電的原則是核安無虞 核廢有解 社會要有共識請問這三項 哪一項錯誤了請問這三項 哪一項國民黨民眾黨不認同呢 |
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11523.501 |
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重啟核電了嗎?藍白的委員不要看到黑鍊就開槍一句立法院通過的核管法現在台電在進行的只是自主安全的檢查還要過恩官斬恩將不要奏下結論更不要來獨壓核電 |
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11552.854 |
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面對國際能源的急劇的挑戰政策要做的是二次能源的轉型我們要提升建制儲能的設施要優化電網的韌性但是藍白都不支持我們前面的來推動能源的多元化核電只是其一並非唯一不要再倒果為因不要再污名化 |
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11556.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
謝謝吳斯陽委員的發言 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
11646.854 |
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11667.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
報告表決結果在場出席委員109位贊成60位反對49位贊成者多數國民黨團體照案通過本案進覆二讀依據立法院職權新法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們先來做一下決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨團負責召集協商報告我們進入討論事項第三案 |
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11668.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
11678.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
本院國民黨團建集院會作成決議要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出重啟核電以因應AI時代經濟發展專案報告並備諮詢請公決案我們現在請市長宣讀提議內容 |
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11698.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
本院國民黨黨團有鑒於賴清德總統日前正式宣布因應AI時代與經濟發展將憑供重啟核二核三廠顯然賴政府已預見到現行區核化的能源政策根本無法滿足產業用電與淨零要求 |
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11700.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
11722.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
然而事後協建院院長卓榮泰雖說總統炮書重啟核電論述前有與協政團隊充分溝通討論事後經濟部及台電亦表示相關重啟評估採取平行進行策略以爭取時效但卓葵卻又重申何安無虞何費有解社會共識三原則 |
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11744.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
似有意技術性卡關而決勝黨民意代表甚至在選舉考量下發言捍衛非核家園書中語重啟核電背道而馳的言行反將外界更加疑惑讓政府承認錯誤回歸科學的務實調整的原政策仍將無法擺脫意識形態的束縛恐將評估流於形式再次虛質公道 |
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11745.593 |
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11763.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
原此件請院會作成決議能源以被各國視為攸關數位主權與國家安全的戰略資源要求行政院長率三位部會首長向立法院提出重啟核電以因應AI時代經濟發展主要報告並被質詢是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
11766.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
現在請各黨團推派代表發言首先請邱惠如委員發言陳培宇委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
11806.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
11835.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
主席 各位委員同仁大家好民主進步黨的非核家園這一塊神主牌曾幾何時這塊神主牌改成了叫做永核家園現在看來 廢核市小英總統將非核家園入法還有賴清德總統在去年5月14號宣布台灣進入非核家園這些種種的動作如今看起來格外的諷刺 |
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11836.201 |
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11864.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我們曾經以為民主進步黨對於非核家園的堅持是一路走來始終如一結果搞了半天今天答案揭曉是一路走來有始無終我們以為終點是非核家園結果終點居然是重啟核二核三真的是讓人家笑著笑著就哭了這一開跟一關之間請問要浪費多少時間成本精力成本 |
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| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
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還有浪費多少行政成本不是很缺衛生紙嗎不是很缺糕點嗎沒錢買但是民脂民膏可以花費在這裡賴清德總統你知道白海豚會轉彎在我們的菸利你也會轉彎你這麼一轉彎浪費多少民脂民膏一開一關之間請問你有沒有顧慮到國人會看到你們的雙標啊一開一關之間 |
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請問你有沒有看到國人滿頭的問號不知道為什麼又要重啟一開一關之間你有注意到你們的綠營內部已經炸鍋了嗎一開一關之間你有看到青鳥車椅已經崩潰了嗎一開一關之間你有看到環保團體在抗議嗎這個不就是你們的鐵票嗎好到底為什麼要重啟我們來追根究柢 |
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是因為台灣缺電嗎你說沒有可是每次到了夏天的時候就是跳電停電人民以為人民認為這個叫缺電但是你們說沒有只是小動物小松鼠到處橫行不要再拿小動物小松鼠出來飛國了小松鼠他雖然沒有人權但是他有動物權他們也是會抗議的 |
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那到底是因為什麼原因電力及算力 算力及國力在AI的浪潮之下也許賴清德總統看到不得不向現實妥協但是妥協太慢了這一開一關浪費多少 民脂民膏所以我們在這邊呼籲賴清德總統你在 |
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重啟核二跟核三的同時你要跟國人道歉這一段時間我們吸收了多少這些空污用廢發電你要跟國人道歉我們強力的要求而且我們也要求卓院長應該要來行政來這裡做專案的報告告訴我們你的能源政策謝謝謝謝秋惠入圍的發言接下來我們請陳培元發言羅志強委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁早安我想要說我現在手上的三張討論事項的提案有多麼的荒謬在野黨正式不做盡幹一些壞事他們做了哪些壞事過去在四個會期我想我就不再多說但今天三個提案莫名其妙我們來看一下民進黨今天提出的提案有哪些我們想要把國安法案從程序委員會交付委員會 |
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但是我要跟大家報告到目前為止國民黨非常害怕到中國去要事先申請事先報備回來之後要事後報告到現在不敢面對我想請問一下民眾黨團換上了新的立委之後你們的態度又是什麼到今天為止被擋了877次這877次就是藍白面對中國的態度這就是藍白面對台灣民主自由的態度 |
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接下來我要說總預算送進來到立法院為止到目前已經209天了一樣卡在程序委員會這就是藍白幹的好事我再說一次請藍白跟立委告訴全台灣人民為什麼不敢通過國安法案為什麼不敢通過總預算為什麼不用討論再說到昨天國防外交委員會 |
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軍購特別條例只有兩條送出去其他必須要交由黨團協商我要說海馬仕到今天為止只剩下三天了約了三天之後沒有辦法付款所有的程序要再重頭來過請問這個責任藍白你們敢當嗎 |
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從整預算到國安的法案到國安特別條例都是藍白用力阻擋我要拜託全台灣人民我們今天等一下表決會看到的是民進黨將不會支持今天所有的提案為什麼 |
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我們當然支持專案報告我們支持所有事情都要公開討論實質的進行但是我可以預估未來當卓院長來到立法院做專案報告的時候藍白就是極盡的羞辱極盡的造謠然後再剪出短影音 |
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這就是他們想要叫卓院長來到立法院做專案報告的原因我要再次強調民進黨團支持專案報告等一下我們即將要反對的是藍白不負責任的詐謠 |
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抹黑的資訊還有不願意對台灣人民負責的總預算國安法案還有軍購特別條例最後我要說請韓院長主持公報現場有一位不是立法委員的人坐在旁邊等一下也會按表決燈他叫李貞秀女士我要呼籲這些才是立法院應該要處理的事情而不是在每一個禮拜的宴會阻擋民進黨團的議程然後通過莫名其妙討論事項還有報告事項 以上 謝謝 |
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好謝謝陳培偉的發言接下來最後一位發言羅志強委員請發言動物農村裡面有兩頭豬一頭叫做雪球另外一頭叫做民進黨抱歉口誤叫做拿破崙 |
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這兩頭豬啊都當過領導者雪球他有一天告訴大家動物農莊缺電我們要蓋風車發電拿破人很生氣跳出來說他說什麼雪球是兩腳獸的同路人雪球是動物農莊的叛徒我們要處死雪球把他趕出去 |
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於是拿破崙當了領導人一上來三個禮拜宣布我們要蓋風車因為動物農莊缺電了這個不是羅志強編的這是1945年世界頂級知名的作家喬治歐威爾寫的動物農莊裡的場景穿越時空啦 |
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我們歐美打臉的民進黨啊來看看何其相似國民黨從國家能源發展長遠的角度我們不斷地告訴民進黨核能必須作為能源的選項核能不能廢民進黨怎麼說他說今天黃捷說核廢料放徐巧新家 |
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啊今天我們范雲說誰敢挺和就罷免他我們今天民進黨最愛講中共統領的沈博洋我要問問他民進黨說什麼叫中共統路人啊來了來了不好意思啊賴清德說要重啟和二跟和三了不起了鼓掌啊民進黨鼓掌快點鼓掌來來鼓掌了不起啊 |
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我就要來問問我們親愛的民進黨 我請問黃捷核廢料要不要放到賴清德家要放在賴清德家好不好啊我要問問范雲 賴清德要不要罷免啊罷免好不好啊我要問問沈伯陽 賴清德是不是中共同路人迫害台灣啊 |
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我要跟各位說一句不客氣的話今天國民黨當然樂見樂見啊今天民進黨彌陀之反回到國家長遠發展的路上願意重啟河二河三但是抱歉啊總統院長來報告一下嘛 |
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我是人我反核 現在民進黨不反核了還是不是人啊謝謝大家 謝謝 |
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報應會報告表決結果在場出席為110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數國民黨黨團提議照案通過本案禁服二讀依據立法院職權新司法74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨團負責召集協商報應會我們上午的會議進行到此為止下午2點30分繼續開會進行施政方針及施政報告之諮詢現在休息 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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主委院長、政府院長各位閣員午安我們現在開始繼續進行對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告進行諮詢在諮詢之前請副院長報告部首長請假情況 |
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我們現在一長二樓旁聽了來自台北護理健康大學的同學我們掌聲歡迎各位同學 |
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首先我們請郭國文委員質詢陳超明委員請準備謝謝主席有請卓院長跟經濟部鞏部長麻煩請卓院長經濟部長備詢 |
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國元好院長好部長好我想昨天我們的物價穩定小組團開了會到底逛夜市接下來有沒有塑膠袋有沒有找到囤貨的大戶或者海外的替代來源有沒有趁這個機會跟國人說明一下 |
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謝謝國務委員昨天我們緊急的因應這個情勢發表了這樣的重點我想國務委員應該知道其中就是希望能夠國內的這個石化業者所生產的這個產品優先供給國內那麼也希望能夠希望協助國內的廠商在海外取得更多的貨源另外就是對於國內有台價或者囤積的這種步伐我們要加強現在有對象國嗎來源國多元的部分 |
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昨天這個決定之後就交由政府院長主持的物價穩定小組去擬定各項執行的細節我跟委員補充說明可以嗎好我分成兩個部分一個是通路端跟銷售端的部分一個是生產端通路端跟銷售端的部分我們就請了同仁去查了 |
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那現在看起來大的賣場通路直接賣給消費者的這個應該還好那有的是比較可能有少數的這個就是夜市商圈這個部分就是他們要來用給那個人家賣給人家的那個部分那我們請同仁就是 |
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那個供應商直接跟他們避過這個中盤商因為有些中盤商是從國外進口是是是盡可能去找到新的貨源解決這個塑膠袋之亂好不好好另外一部分呢院長有一個部分呢其實本席的這個選區是在這個南科啦 |
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另外還有部分本企業長期在做一些台日友好的工作可是最近發現紅色的供應整個我們的供應鏈有受到紅色滲透的一個可能性模式一是在於說過往曾經有相關的大廠把先進的製程送往國外的可能性也就是他把原來的廠 |
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然後拆除掉然後到國外的組裝當初呢其實有類似的情況發生那最近又有一個新的模式呢就是日本的這些半導體公司的母公司來台設廠之後呢可是它在海外的公司呢卻因為中國的這個詬病呢讓中國掌握了一個絕對的主導權 |
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這個部分我私下問過經濟部頭審思相關的單位人員說你們只有處理事先的一個審查可是事後的這個股權的變化最終的受益人是誰誰能夠主導資本的屬性卻沒有辦法確認這個變成是一種漏洞所以我在這邊提醒院長跟部長這個部分有沒有可能防止針對這種戰略型的產業當中有一個事後普查的一個可能性隨時掌握現況隨時了解他的資本屬性的定位有沒有重新轉變 有沒有可能 |
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好謝謝郭委員能夠適時來提醒政府注意到這個區塊是不是有斗缺失那麼我們跟日本不僅現在合作的關係良好各自對於國內的經濟安全出口管制也都有相當高的默契跟共同的做法那我認為這一點請經濟部跟我的部會能夠跟日方也取得這樣的共識是不是在雙方談的時候有一個能夠約束公共對我們來說不只是政治滲透還有經濟的滲透對郭委員我補充一下就是說 |
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只要他的股權有改有更改然後有涉及中資的話他就要跟我們報告我舉的例子就是因為沒有報告有一些狀況他們是透過商業性的聯盟有一些契約私底下的交換把一些生產線挪移到台灣來然後用合法的方式來對整個政府的目前的政策抵制這個真的是需要知道一下這叫經濟的 |
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這滲透這紅色的資本的入侵這是有可能存在的所以這一點請院長跟部長特別注意一下好不好台日資源合作其實目前為止看起來都非常的好我們去熊本有一廠有二廠有三奈米預計要生產其實看起來很像是單方面的去那邊進行投資另外日本的部分單方面的與我們補助 |
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上台日的合作方式其實還不夠啦我舉一個例子來說部長這邊 院長這邊以在目前的台灣跟日本之間呢有一些技術其實可以從頭到尾一起合作了以現在的封測的部分特別是後端封測的部分的設備上不論是AI的伺服器也好不論是冷卻的系統也好不論是零組件的不好這個部分都不是台灣的強項也不是日本的強項反倒是需要進口而這部分的強項是誰是中國啊 |
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這個反倒是台日之間需要合作的項目我們台日之間不是在高興或歡呼在那邊設半導體先進奈米從原來的成熟奈米變成新生奈米而已而是需要未來式的合作更重要這樣半導體聯盟的價格因為台積電除了在那邊設廠之外它有一個研發中心也在日本設立的 |
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歸來共同合作的這些材料對 材料材料基本上我們是跟日本是最緊密的合作是 我是舉一個特別的例子就是說設備端跟材料端都是日本最強的那如何大家一起努力這是很重要的關鍵我請部長 院長特別注意一下好不好好 那另外一個部分呢最近這個AI的部分這打得很兇這個中共的部分大打資訊戰假帳號從去年到前年比較起來多了一倍 |
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特別依賴疑軍或疑美我調了國安局的資料來看整個包括丹奧斯颱風也好或台積電赴美投資也好或美國關稅也好國安局所調查的資料顯示當中2004年那時候的假帳號有282162005年變45550將近倍增 |
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所謂的異常帳號就是藉由非真實使用者的社群帳號來說正被徵的情況底下要怎麼處理我曾經私下問過這一個書發部的部長林部長跟我表示說可以用這個數位憑證皮夾透過編碼的方式而不涉及各自的可能性可是這個可能性需要什麼需要平台的同意啊海外的平台FB還有IG也好要需要Meta的同意 |
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國內的部分D咖也好PTT也好他需要國內業者的同意這個部分沒有辦法一一去要求如果這樣子的話Meta不同意的話那我們不是不能做了嗎部長有沒有其他的方法 |
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是 那個委員這個意見非常好那事實上我今天早上才從那個矽谷坐飛機回來那我前天有去拜訪Google的總部也提到這個想法那他們基本上回應是正面的他們也認為說我們現在在那個社群裡面譬如說在YouTube的社群裡面查一個影片它本身就是一個帶風向的議題結果下面有一萬人在按讚其實有八九千個其實都是殭屍賬號 |
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提醒你今年又選舉年喔今年會更嚴重喔Meta會不會同意我就問你Meta會不會同意Meta我們還沒跟他談到現在為止還沒跟Meta談你每次都要跟Meta同一次遇到每件事情就談一次上次我們很多事情每次都要拜託他一樣甚至還要飛去美國那個院長有沒有可能之前我們推的數位服務法來弄一個數位平台管理法有沒有可能性啊 |
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我想數位部他一直有跟其他的平台業者在保持各種的要求像過去到現在對詐騙我們也進展不少那既然是有這個新的行為希望數位部能夠儘快的去跟各個平台業者達成這樣的要求達成共識這件事情應該趕快達成有它的急迫性比較長遠來說應該是第一個數位平台的管理辦法嘛對不對 |
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用這種方式才能一了百了不然每一件事情都是這樣子同樣一個AI的問題提醒部長跟院長一下中國的AI的發展狀況非常的快就是我的LLM被中國滲透了這篇誰寫的就林益晉林部長寫的啊那為什麼中國會這麼強 |
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國防部安全研究院也有查在2025中共政軍的發展評估當中就提到中國的AI發展是處於全社會協同的方式也就是用高度整合又持續擴張的方式他們透過科技巨頭也好透過國家的研究機構也好類似這種AI的這種方式轉到軍事智能化又回到剛剛網軍的資訊戰又倒打回來可是台灣的現況我跟院長報告一下 |
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目前台灣的LLM的資源沒有整合誰在做?科技大廠在做,鴻海在做,廣大在做金融業者在做,玉山在做,台科大在做然後另外國家有做,國科會有做,我們數位部有做 |
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就分散完全沒有整合我是不是請院長授權給部長請部長來主責這件事情也找一位政委來協同來整合外在的資源打造一個國家隊來成立屬於台灣的LM有沒有這個可能性 部長跟院長回答一下 |
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是現在全世界都知道中國各種滲透尤其是這種網路AI的滲透無所不在台灣更是首當其衝其實我們早就由國科會跟速發部在就主權AI的這個向下做全面的一個推進當然我們的速度沒有很快因為起步也比較慢這我們都承認因此我們列在新十大建設AI新十大建設裡面就這麼一塊主權AI我們會加快速度 |
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我們現在為止Google是有跟我們合作加入我們的主權AI可是基本上OpenAI沒有所以說他們習慣用一簡體中文而不用一繁體中文這個問題會很大我們有大量的資料去訓練我們AI的環境那以後會落後中國越來越多這個部分部長你要跟院長講啊是跟委員報告一下關於那個主權AI的方面我們有兩個重要的政策第一個是說 |
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我們就是建制了台灣主權AI訓練語料庫提供給美國的像Anthropic跟那個Gemini這種大型語言模型讓他們來訓練這樣子以後他訓練出來的模型就會有台灣的觀點而不是只有中國大陸的觀點這是第一個部分那第二個部分是什麼我們希望這些大型語言模型在台灣設立他們這個AI算力中心你的技術面都沒有問題我可以理解但是現在外部 |
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外部資源整合問題才是現在最大的台灣發展也沒有辦法打團體戰那個關鍵我就是要在這邊請院長找一個分工的方式讓整個數位部有更大的能力去跟外界這些通訊業者也好金融業者也好還有包括科技業者也好打造一個屬於台灣的一個團隊出來有沒有可能現在我們文化部教育部 園民會 科委會以及各種機關超過200個在目前我們有初步的進展有3000筆的資料已經集中起來另外我們創造了有 |
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1億個Token 池宇這個是我們最基本的那有那個基本設計要擴大速度一定會比過去快我簡單的講民間做民間的啦企業就企業的啦不同行業做不同行業的政府做政府的啦我們一定要把它統合起來因為台灣本來就不夠大嘛院長我的重點是這個所以麻煩院長指示一下看分工一下請一位政委來協同這一個速發部來做這個分工做有沒有 |
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就是國科會吳承維主委 吳承維政委他就是在負責這個部分就麻煩一下嘛 加強一下嘛整合一下好不好 聯同民間了那另外的部分 院長這個有關於南科的發展跟未來南科時期的發展速度非常的快我們對產業界 對護國省 台積電全面的開綠車拿掉速限 我們都可以理解 |
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昨天才通過台積電三座二奈米的環屏現在最快就本季動工去年才宣布而已另外還有一個四月底會進入環屏的是1.2奈米的砂輪廠就是所謂你去年12月核定的南科四企這些現象都是好現象我們都需要這個科技企業我們需要台積電可是出現一個很大的問題 |
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也就是說產業發展的速度飛奔可是生活機能的發展速度卻落後也就是說住宅不足 交通擁擠 公共設施不夠每一次地方的通盤檢討都要花個五年真正通盤檢討要超過十年 |
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所以說根本來不及產業的發展所以我想要請內政部長商量一下啦現階段不論是接下來沙崙發展的特定區也好或者是南科這個區也好都是台南發展最重要關鍵有沒有可能在國土規劃第一期進行通平檢討的情況底下提出一個所謂的先期規劃讓周遭的生活也得以提升因為隨便一個二奈米廠 |
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兩點跟委員答覆第一個為了支撐我們高科技產業的快速發展我們在全國六大產業生活圈我們已經擬定了各生活圈的計畫 |
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第二個在施政報告裡面我提到從土地的開放從法規的開放就是要來滿足生活圈施政高科技這樣過程所必須付出的時間跟流程的減變我拜託一下劉部長多關心一下台南好不好拜託拜託謝謝院長另外還有一個最現實的問題農民的問題我今天看到早上農民還傳給我有關於美食今年才漲兩成而已 |
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然後呢 不論是柚子也好 不論是這個芒果也好今年都會很嚴重這幾年的天災地變特別的多啦所以我一再要求說 農業部一定要把天然災害的這個補助的上限打開農業部在3月24號已經對外公布 已經打開了也不要局限一年一次 農業部也接受了可是還有一些國品 包括臨角 包括蓮子這些都還沒有開放 這是第一項 |
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第二個呢包括這個梅子的部分今天早上很多農民都非常的擔心啊台南從來沒有補助到可是高雄有栗子可是台南就不行台南為什麼不行說因為土地分區有問題啊土地分區為什麼是不行因為是林務局管的事實上你要從一個實際耕作者的角度以前我們都從實際耕作者的角度有種植的事實你就要補助他事實上有因為天災而受害的事實嘛這個部分部長院長能不能體恤一下農民的辛苦啊 |
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好謝謝委員我想分兩個部分回答第一個部分就是委員所關心的非常多的這些額度我們整體平均以及從20%提高到25%那委員所關心的這些品項有一部分是我們成本還在做一個分析我們後續的話如果說成本的分析確定以後我們會再來做相關的調整那天然災害補助20可以最高到多少到25了已經到25了因為到25有沒有可能到30 |
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我想這個會連動到我們現勘的那個百分比市公司跟作者有任何爭辯?市公司跟作者?不要受限於一定的分區啦這個我回來再質疑請你質疑一下,前作者是錯啦我有臨時定義關係的問題喔市長還有關係想問嗎?請問一下 |
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好 請農業部把解決計畫送我們郭國文委員辦公室好 謝謝好 謝謝郭國文委員質詢謝謝主任長 各位首長的備詢接下來我們請陳昌明委員質詢 邱志偉委員請準備 |
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主席首先有請我們卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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陳委員好 卓院長好 昨天謝謝你謝謝你 大家苗栗的一件大事 恭喜的事情你的演講實在說得很好在這今天是我們館長 總統任縣長特別感謝你不敢不敢不敢你這樣中央協助美光到銅鑼科學園區去揭牌去設廠 |
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帶給苗栗一個翻天覆地的改變因為苗栗在新竹科學園區北中樂化南就是台中科學園區但是長期都被忽視這是美光帶進來的話可以說給地方的產業有很大的一個改變 |
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尤其目前能造就2500個人的就業機會未來可能會達到1萬人因為他準備在那個地方大投資他看上那個地方風景好百姓很純樸而且剛好跟台中新竹他管理的非常方便 |
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所以我這邊要特別拜託我們丑院長多多重視苗栗雖然票你們贏也是沒有贏過但是我相信牡蠣已經有推進了讓苗栗縣能真的把它起飛、發展起來這點特別拜託那有談到水庫的問題、電的問題苗栗縣全都給你支持 |
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所以在施工期間都非常平平安安順順利利管部長也在旁邊你昨天的時候 |
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這邊我也講了很多次了那個桃子苗大溪谷激發苗栗有三個地方一個是竹蘭科學園區的第二期一個是桃園科學園區一個後龍產業園區昨天你們來了我相信應該更有信心來幫助苗栗縣發展它整個科技因為科技能帶動一個良性的循環這一點我特別的拜託 |
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多多關注苗栗縣現在高雄台南加一都發展起來了我們那塊的保地你應該多多的重視好不好好謝謝昨天報告現場所提到的水資源的問題還有建築剩餘土方的問題我們都已經積極在處理了其實那個土方問題他提的方法是非常的好啊 |
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昨天公布場結束之後還虔誠的去騎雨結果昨天就開始下雨謝謝你啊我再拜託昨天是苗栗縣非常光榮也非常履歷有光榮的一天大家都非常的興奮謝謝中央跟地方這樣合作就是最好的表態你中央來支持地方地方也一定配合全力配合我們中央的政策我再次的拜託多多照顧苗栗縣好 謝謝那我再來請我們執事長 |
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陳主席長今天請你上來你一般把你認為你是冷牙但是我一直跟你在談的事情發覺你非常接地氣你這種來選民意代表或縣市長我們都很怕 |
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你不要不好意思我們張本宇縣長會請我說特別要感謝因為財政數字化分化苗栗縣是被財政監管的一個縣市台灣省維英當時財政數字化分化的時候你把他列在第一位好 把我們比比準不知道怎麼說這樣你把四條要怎麼發動但是一直跟你協調溝通你馬上了解狀況 |
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因為你以前在省政府做過也在台南市政府做過所以你一講的時候你也很客氣就會竭力的幫忙結果也是我們賴總統跟我們 |
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左院長的一個決定,把他從一級降到十級,讓我們喘了一口氣讓我苗栗縣有發展的機會所以這次機會特別表揚你,也特別感謝你現在沒錢,都讓你控管理都沒辦法,一定你早上去,覺得苗栗縣好啊 |
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如果財政收支發文法改為布局的話你拜託給我五年的緩衝期苗栗縣就會生農豪雨這點我要特別跟你拜託確確實實我們政府是這樣苗栗應該要更美麗才對啊財政收支發文法這個 |
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修訂之後苗栗確實是在集數裡面來算是第一集但是 給中央這種調節的彈性的能力我們就有辦法來更對地方做更多的照顧我想目前是及次如此 |
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即便是財政收支發分法的內容也是如此我們一直希望保持中央更好的彈性所以請委員能夠支持院版的財化法能夠再度的修正財政收支發分法應該兩方面要來好好談一談各讓一部起中間室我相信台灣會更好我們都會了解這一切好不好 執記長謝謝你特別表揚你不然坐在那邊給你活動活動一下 |
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好 謝謝再來請財政部長請財政部長備選那個卓院長 這個是我第二次質詢你我說啊 以台灣產業經濟發展的角度讓台灣的家熱於去打世界的市場 |
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那我為什麼一直談這個?因為台灣的電子業非常發達所以這個加熱於的時候跟台灣的電子產業有關係你不要看我吃飯報告院長,那個市場很大我們台灣的漁品市場一年大概有兩千億的規模 |
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那加熱菸的話大概有五百億的規模這可以一十十億、三十十億美金在外面去爭奪市場我相信給台灣一個機會會達成很漂亮的成績所以現在我們台灣只有被美商、日商來獨佔 |
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台灣的加熱儀沒有加速機會這主要原因就是全世界只有美國跟台灣要求加熱儀上市以前要提供健康風險的評估審查只有美國、台灣、日本沒有這樣我們最崇拜的日本沒有這個要求因為以下的防治法規定製造外銷我現在說的外銷 |
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也要經過健康風險的評估這樣的規模這樣的做法看起來很先進啦但是我要說我們自綁手腳我要懷疑政府的作為為什麼給美商給日商進來台灣已久公司幾十年的老公司台灣的電子業那麼強壯那麼強盛在要賣東西賣不回來大家都找不到你們要健康風險評估是怎樣 |
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請你把美國跟日本的健康風險評估給我們參考一下你們也不送我不曉得你們的態度是怎麼樣那為什麼一直在強調好啦不要抽煙毒害台灣人日本美國的加熱煙能到台灣來毒害台灣人好你們允許他我不要在台灣做我外交可以吧那這個思維的觀念要蓋啊 |
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因為這個市場太大了不亞於電子的市場,我跟你講啊你看法怎樣,你上一次都講叫他們加油那台語公司特別感謝喔因為關於昨天沒有人敢講話,我敢講話他們非常感謝喔,說我真正把他們的聲音發聲出來連竹鎮黨的都不敢講大家都默默委屈,我覺得不能容許這樣的情形在台灣發生 |
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你看法怎麼樣我第一遍講啊好 謝謝委員加農菸我們第一個階段希望它能夠在台灣合法的上市所以現在已經達到第一階段了那第二個階段我們希望本地自產的產業也能夠持續的加強能夠達到這樣的標準 |
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加入到整個營運在生產國內的這個行列裡面來那至於說未來依照營業方法的種種的規範以及要不要外銷那是等到我們在地生產產業更健全之後他依照他產業自行的營運才去瞭解去進行我們外銷的產業主要外銷地區的國家的需求就可以了他敢外銷那也很難導致大家怎麼敢隨便做 |
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我告訴你外銷要開放啊我們盡量讓我們的產業,國內生產的快點建築起來它才能領略提供國內,也提供外銷現在第二階段要趕快把它處理 |
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你在這邊站著也不發表台灣已久公司感謝我都沒有感謝你所以不要太保守啦我們的衛福部啊拜託拜託外銷的產業國內我必須 我不銷我會不徵這個市場大概要徵很困難的 |
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我跟你講台灣醫療公司也沒有辦法競爭啊那抽菸是一個習慣如果能外銷我們打出一條路出來嘛我們不要自我設限好不好你看法怎麼樣部長委員跟你說明齁就是台酒這個菸齁我們有在給它輔導啦齁它要經過一些健康的測試 |
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危害的評估我們再輔導他至於我剛才說的內銷跟外銷要脫鉤因為現在厭害防治法二十六條它是規定指定菸品沒有經過健康風險評估許可的製造輸入都是違法這個罰則也很大 |
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沒有那一條 他只收26條 這條要內銷跟外銷外銷我們應該通過啦我們來研究一下啦什麼研究一下啊 時不宜我為了啦人家在搶市長 台灣你以為這樣搶我們要多方面的啦這個增加外揮很嚇人 |
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我跟院長報告可能沒有抽菸啦你不了解這個市場抽菸適量就好我跟你講有抽也不錯啦我不要說好啦最起碼精神病會減少很多啦施減壓力啦現在各方面我希望這一點能突破以往的思維好不好不過委員還是可以禁菸就禁菸我的解釋啦 我的觀念很太多不要這邊跟我講廖廣明要告時齁你們那個反菸團體一來你們就怕了 |
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現在有幾好不一定就有兩好啦用各種思維去考量讓台灣的產業能繼續的發展打出一條台灣真正品牌的一條道路好不好那衛福部副市長請你回座現在才正好這個我訂的台詞我愛描的麻煩你就是自然製品廠活化轉型讓地方共創酸硬的一個問題 |
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那臺灣醫療公司在職蘭製品廠不過一定在市中心裡面最精華的地區佔了6公頃那是在我資深所在地職蘭村製品廠已經生產不符合經濟的效益在民國114年9月就停工改採外購 |
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大家都怕勞工反對那製品廠有79位的員工因為因應你們對外的採購部分調整回直覽啤酒廠你們那裡就有一個該打的啤酒廠在我們直覽鎮院長有空下來喝一喝18度的清涼啤酒非常讚又新鮮的目前只剩下17名員工在那個製品廠 |
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六公頃的土地那麼大的廠房只有十七名的員工這叫做是浪費資源所以你一定要想你覺得財政部一直想要去收集錢我們也要想要怎麼賺錢所以在這個地方 |
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整個苗栗縣政府除了我們直覽的鄉親都希望把最快土地的活化那我們中東景縣長也一直強調不然你這個直覽製品廠在整個直覽鎮變成市中心一個獨立環境像這麼大地啊 沒什麼健康地啊我希望這邊能真正的活化來帶動地方的一個繁榮發展因為我們這個地方不錯已經超過十萬的人口 |
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畢亞與紫北市質量投入加起來大概跟紫北市一樣所以我希望這塊你要自動來跟我們談還是我請苗栗縣政府跟你談如果來活化這塊土地也請院長支持不然財政部的時候都比較保守他只有想收入怎樣去這塊土地起來你也知道 |
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最近財政的收支很棒,對地方幫忙很大,這一點沒人幫忙會不會幫忙竹南製品廠的活往跟委員說明一下竹南這個製品廠確實在去年的9月28號就停止生產這個酒瓶現在只做那個啤酒瓶的烙印 |
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那這個場區確實大然後如同委員所說的所以我們認為我們會要求菸酒公司就這塊土地要去做綜合的評估要做多元的多元方式的活化跟運用然後在運用的之前要跟地方政府要能夠討論那麼討論出一個模式是對地方能夠發展更好然後對這個不動產的那個資源可以做更好的運用這個部分我們會請菸酒公司做這方面的努力 |
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後庭你告訴我我們要合法第一個你土地一定要重劃因為在肆虐鎮的一個中央裡面給你開工廠未來都不可能你應該是你們要同意苗栗縣政府跟宜久公司就討論這一塊土地要如何來規劃土地是你們的我們是從旁協視但是你工廠在那邊讓我們地方的繁榮 |
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有所阻礙,我是說你大陸這一點先做,不要講理由那阿伯土地你們要怎麼發掘是你們決定的,不是我們苗栗縣政府責然存在決定好不好,我們希望那塊土地能蓋百貨公司或是什麼人家會去投資因為我們已經有具備這樣的條件了 |
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這樣你知道嗎好我們會跟苗栗縣政府一起討論讓這個地方發展也好土地也能夠有效的運用我希望三四個月就有成果出來選舉的要到我今年不用選舉我不用那個很多人都說這個問題我長久在談什麼一直沒有解決我希望在我任內能把這個問題解決好不好一切拜託啦謝謝好謝謝你 |
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院長,整個事情你應該很清楚要求你拜託再來談教育部長請教育部長現在 |
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我們苗栗縣直覽投入聯合都市計畫加起來大概有22萬人口跟植北市差不多一樣它又緊鄰的新子市跟新子縣都是跟共法地區在一起 |
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那因為這幾年苗栗縣整個都有在改進在進步之中那我們緊鄰著新竹科學園區台中科學園區該重要我們苗栗的房價比新竹市紫北市比 |
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那個台中市還要低了大概二三十%所以很多新竹科學園區的人一直永逸直來因為我們交通的系統非常的便利隔壁新竹市新竹縣科學園區 |
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職人投入到科學園區比薪職需要到科學園區還要快大概二十幾分就能到了所以人口一日的非常多當然職人有科學園區台積電的Covas的一個進入這幾年人口信誓的增加 |
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竹南鎮這幾年有國道3號還有台61線西濱公路高架化還有國道1號跟舞陽高的延伸所以交通非常便利醫療系統也在我們賴總統我們卓院長這樣的一個幫忙之下苗栗集中醫院也開始在建立 |
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大圈醫院大概600多床的醫院也在建立通宵同綜合醫院也在建立還有縣裡的綜合醫院女綜合醫院也準備在擴建之中都準備在這醫療在苗栗大大的投資所以大家喜歡 |
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比較喜歡來苗栗啦那苗栗尤其自然說頭文的話人口薪資增加教師不夠啦現在還要去...要去組合屋啦大概起來要... |
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頭份的話大概要35間教室 照然國中啊 竹蘭要30間 要8億多啦啊 管政府就大概出2、3億而已 出的可以幫我們補助一下不要再住那個組合屋 沒看到的啦 |
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部長你不回答看起來不怎麼贊同啊沒有 部長很有做法的你請部長說明感謝議員關心我們孩子的教育我想委員剛才所提的確實因為竹竹南他確實因為產業的一個活絡然後成為這個喜多這個外來人口包含在地人口都增加所以我們在 |
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這一個行政院有一個新興人口的一個成長去成立高中職以下的這個校舍的一個新建工程計畫我們事實上對苗栗的 |
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這個投訓國中也有這個全額補助的1.7億元然後其實這個教室也提供了有大概有20間的教室你以為起來一個人都飲料啊教室還不夠我們賴總統下去在義民廟要講說他會全力解決這個不曉得你有沒有因為義民廟討錢公的喔去到苗栗 |
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整整一整天去看了一些中小學也感謝委員關心那我想我們在許多的這些學校裡邊我想我們中央跟地方一定會來看未來許多的教室 |
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苗栗的許多的學校的一個新蓋完以後在未來的教室裡面的一些設備需求我們教育部再看來怎麼樣跟地方來一些合作我現在談的未來的需求我們都曉得教育日益的中心但是現在一定在撐撐要挖80間的教室在這就難免之急 |
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幫全民幫忙趕快解決這個問題跟委員報告,我們其實都在那個人口的變動,我們都有檢驗人口的高尺來這邊怎麼減價,我們都陷阱都有我講到阿固看起來都在講,我會我會,但是我不曉得沒有,我們確實已經有做過我還是跟委員報告一件事情 |
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剛剛部長說的那個新興的人口增強的地方增加的地方的校舍新增或新建的計畫從111到114年編列了70億那114年之後的現在中央地方財政的結構已經不一樣我們是否有能力中央再編那麼多的協助地方或是地方應該用地方自治事項來自己來完成更多的工作這正待中央跟地方再進一步的協調 |
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好 現在什麼都卡在財政措施上我們大家要來努力解決這個矛盾的問題其實這個對立法委員是不好的 |
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如果這樣分配的話立法委員沒有什麼職權你們都不了解我當過省議員才了解這個現象委員你說到很重的重點我不能亂講我只是把我真實的狀況給大家了解地方現場的實權都比較大 |
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大家稍微調整一下能互相滿足對方大家照著這個程序來進行現在講什麼都是財政收支方法進退兩難好不好 一起努力來解決謝謝 部長謝謝委員的關心 我想這個教育這個我們會努力我相信你 你的台語講得很好請回座再來交通部 還有時間 |
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好 我們年輕又英俊的陳部長那我很遺憾 我本來對你帶著一個期盼跟期待房地交流道雖然公路級已經核定了但是你核定的公文 核得不甘不厭的樣子當然看起來也是財政措施和文化的影響 |
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你說那個聯絡道路都要全部我們來負擔以前你們去幾個部長從你們當交通部長每一個答應苗栗縣財政困難我們會全力支持我們前額負擔來跟你出來都翻盤了我告訴你 我要很相信你我說你沿途給我觀賞你給我寫那本文我看到很傷心我覺得我不怎麼信任你啦 |
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報告委員你說的這個院裡這個交流道的部分在您的關心之下我也已經簽合了這個沒有問題但確實我們交通部包含公路局所未來可以支應的這個公件的預算其實是降低了不少在整個財政收支劃分法之後 |
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那您剛剛也有提到一個重點就是說現在縣府的能量其實加大很多中央的政府其實我們能夠給地方的錢就少了所以這個部分我們如果能負擔我們當然會協助但我們目前看起來是無法負擔所以交流道的部分全額我們會來處理我知道交流道全額你的聯絡道土地徵收要我們那土地徵收我們來輸 |
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那聯絡大陸中央吃一半,我苗栗吃一半我去協調溝通,不然我也不知道你合定下來會完成還是不完成,那差很多啦一兩年啦我們研究一下啦但是聯絡大陸的部分因為你常常去,可是你由於沒有片啦 |
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你應該要做出來給他們看啦好不好謝謝啦,感謝你也對台中市民講話那條聯絡道路土地費用苗栗縣政府來支出但是聯絡道路的工程費用個人負擔一半 |
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好嗎 答應下來啦這樣要求 拜託你跟我說幾十年都說好 現在突然反擊我們民主要發展不是我民主的好 會可以討論的齁一定齁 一人一半 我想這樣進去就好 |
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答應下來還有我提出三百話這個也很重要第三年一年沒有改變從到現在第七屆到現在十幾年我都一二十年都在談了這裏面只有談文跟大山還沒有 |
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雙軌化還有白沙屯跟新埔沒有雙軌化通宵到宴旅沒有雙軌化但是日蘭跟大甲好像是走了所謂台商重要苗栗不重要都一直拖延到現在 |
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這農村的經費只有六十幾億農村十五點九公里這三個地段你持續把它打通你南部什麼捷運什麼一發都七百億七百億加才六十幾億七十億而已啊報告委員這個部分我也很關心因為這個價位是為彈紋一直到我們台中的追分到大陸那個對分所以我們是整大單位在討論這個雙規劃的部分因為這單位如果雙規劃我們整個運量可以大幅提升 |
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我們的計畫是從談文一直到台中的對婚 |
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所以是幾大作會啦,不是只說台中喔?是幾大作會?是幾大作一會兒之間嘛,一片要趕快來做啦有啦,我們現在是在中規規劃跟環評的階段幾大都要做,即是現在在中規跟環評的階段中規跟環評的階段走過就大約幾大作會 |
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這還要一段時間,因為這段是卡在台中那邊還有一些界面,譬如台中那邊跟沙陸火車站,這邊要怎麼吃跟他們的捷運怎麼吃,還有一些界面在討論,不然我們會中規和環評,我們也希望比較清楚這樣你的意思是台中好,到外面比較妙妙,妙妙感冒犯法 |
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這是講一個假話因為他是同一個計畫,在同一個計畫裡面一起做所以要整個看好好,最後一個問題燕尼火車站你也去那個雙軌化,那個跨戰士的夜台,歐益政府你就很窮算是答應我,要納入這個雙軌化計畫裡面又沒有 |
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納入裡面 現在要把它納入的時候要再重新計畫要來改變我看你們有沒有附帶測試把驗流的跨戰式的液體把它完成因為它東邊很熱鬧 |
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西邊的話很冷漠 靠近海邊的地方就是這條鐵路隔絕在那邊發展起來完全不一樣那西邊的話 包括苗栗縣族一大片的土地放置在那邊也都沒有什麼發展如果這邊把它做起來的話我相信對西邊的 因為你鄉親啦發展的機會就比較大 |
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你知道這個嗎?報告委員,這我還沒去看過,但是你這樣說是和你東西邊兩邊要合在一起,但是如果你要說...我們跨戰士的月台,要有電梯就好跨戰士月台我們可以討論...不然你那條沒有三軌化料沒辦法,因為我了解大概地方的情形不然你就把它繞一圈嘛,改變路線也可以 |
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沒關係,我來瞭解一下好,我們專案來瞭解,我拜託你,你眼睛又笑臉,一定要幫忙你每次到苗栗縣我就比比順你都去替我拉,不是拉給我的票,拉別人的票啊我這個帳沒有算,用這個來補一補好不好好,謝謝 |
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好 諮詢結束了好 謝謝謝謝陳委員 謝謝謝謝卓院長各相關部會所長貝君 謝謝我們下面委員諮詢完畢之後將會休息十分鐘十分鐘之後請張志倫委員準備諮詢接下來我們請邱志維委員請諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 也有請行政院卓院長 外交部林部長麻煩再請卓院長 教育部長備詢外交部林部長 經濟部龔部長還有國防部徐副部長時間暫停一下 我們硬體設備就是三位委員不要超過這個 好嗎OK 那就先請林部長跟龔部長好 謝謝麻煩請院長備詢外交部經濟部長 兩位部長請備詢 |
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謝謝邱委員謝謝部長辛苦了行政團隊也辛苦了這個第一個議題想請教卓院長跟行政團隊就關於CPTPPCPTPP過去8年我擔任立法院CPTPP促進會的會長那這個不是虛的這是很務實的所以12個會員國裡面我去過加拿大我去過秘魯 秘魯還去過兩次 |
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當然幾個重要的國家我們都掌握民主陣營大概就是英國、加拿大、然後紐澳那在東南亞的部分越南、馬來西亞、汶萊跟新加坡所以加上南美洲的智利跟阿密魯、吉尼亞執委會會員國的執委會是在越南召開越南召開對我們是非常關鍵入會的一年 |
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2021年我開完記者會之後老共馬上就提這個陸會申請我們玩了幾天但是2021到現在這個完全沒有成立陸會工作小組我覺得這個要從行政院的高度結合外交部因為外交部有駐外管處 |
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然後加上經濟組全力去跟所有的目前12個會員國請他們理解台灣已經完全達成奧克蘭三原則也有能力履行國際貿易的相關的承諾而且所有的規範都達到高標準現在就是12個會員國的共識這共識要慢慢累積而成的 |
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所以我今年初又去秘魯我跟大使討論過大使認為說秘魯可能會支持我們雙向支持這個應該是由外交部或者經濟部去跟外管做一個確認下個月我還要去新加坡還要再去越南為什麼越南很重要越南是我們南向政策最主要的國家 |
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這也是賴總統經濟日不落國的一個概念也是林部長所提出的榮邦計畫跟三鏈計畫裡面重要的內涵國家所以如果能夠利用越南當輪值主席國的時候在召開支委會的時候越南願意幫台灣加上日本的力量 |
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台日友好 日本一定要全力支持如果有日本全力支持就讓地主國願意在議程案上面更為友善你看我們跟台越的合作我們可以幫助他們技術升級也能幫助他們產業鏈的提升也能用科技做投資所以跟台越關係我們有的資源跟籌碼相對比較多 |
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所以為什麼提這個議題我希望說CPTPP是對台灣未來的這個在國際社會上的關鍵的一個重要的這個經貿力量所以勢必在最短的時間能夠加入當然政治因素我們當然了解都是中國的因素但是可操是在我們的我們一定要全力以赴 |
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所以我是拜託院長可以折成兩個部組成一個非常堅強的團隊對每個所有的會員國每一個動態都能夠充分掌握我作為一個促進會的會長八年我這個全部都自費去所以下個月我還去找新加坡的這個同大使然後這個越南的劉大使就針對這一題去做深入討論 |
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所以我希望說能夠在行政的高度能夠全力重視整合外交部跟經濟部的資源 |
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能夠在今年能夠達成最起碼成立台灣的陸會工作小組陸會工作小組成立之後我們第一步就踏出去這個請教一下好 謝謝委員提到奧克蘭山原則您也提到現在我們所剩的就是最後這個會員國的共識部分那我們也必須承認這當中存在的很多外交以及政治上的阻力 |
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但是我們在面對所有的我們領先相信國家的各種訪問交流就外賓來訪過程當中我們一再期待能夠協助我們那雖然CPTPP從它主導的國家美國日本的變化但是不為影響我們講進入這個國際經貨組織最大的一個目的所以我們會極力的爭取但是我也必須承認 |
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現在的一年多一年以來我們真的把重兵壓在對美談判所以我們CPP的過程當中我們真的我們是沒有在這一年當中有比較隨便的進展那現在談判已經到了最關鍵的最後階段我會請經濟部以及我們的整個談判工作團隊再把CPP重要的工作再做時程上的安排我們來設定時程設定目標分頭進行我們只有12個會員國裡面 |
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其中有民主國家民主陣營的就這個我剛剛說的這幾個國家然後日本台日友好日本可以幫台灣做很多事情加上今年的優勢在越南所以我期待這個12個應該很精準的工作目標工作期間設立起來這不僅經濟部外交部也會全力來協助這個工作請林部長說明一下對外的工作 |
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報告委員現在CPT力量是12個國家我們大概對美國國家的立場都有掌握確實如委員講的必須集中力量 |
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然後針對尤其是主席國能不能突破奧克蘭三原則讓我們成立台灣陸會的工作小組那以越南來說因為台商在那邊投資很多那我們跟他交流也非常的頻繁所以確實今年會是一個機會因為再來的幾年的主席國會是沒有像越南這樣子相對的 |
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目前今年越南是我們可以把握的戰略機遇期所以我提出這個議題就是希望說從行政院要整合兩個部的資源要全力達陣 這個是在人為而且把握時機 把我可操之在我的資源全部壓上去 |
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好謝謝委員提醒行政院一定會立即訂定一個剛剛說設定時程設定目標由各部位分頭進行的工作的一個team我們全力來完成爭取從立法院的角度我們也全力協助像我這個協會不是我全力以赴只要有需要立法院支持的我們都自費去去跟他們國會做相關討論像日本我去日本國會針對CPTPP最起碼去了四次以上 |
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就是讓他們感動就是說不是讓他們理解說台灣是非常重視不管是行政部門或者是這個立法院好 謝謝兩位部長那接下來我請這個這個國防部的徐副部長麻煩請國防部長備詢但是林部長先請留下那龔部長你可以請經理部長請回下一個議題想先請教再請教這個院長關於這個FOIP自由開放的印太 |
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FOIP當然是從安倍前首相2007年提到但具體的有很多的做法需要幾個主要的國家來合作包括美國、澳洲跟印度台灣是在一個戰略的核心台灣又有一個地緣政治的重要性又有我們這個世界的晶片的一個製造中心 |
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所以我們以地緣自治的優勢也有這個經濟上的優勢所以台灣是這個FOIP裡面重要的核心那我們如何在以台灣的這個角度來參與FOIP這不是一個概念的建構而已這已經進入這個實質的一個合作階段經濟的合作也好 外交的合作也好甚至國防安全上的合作也好所以我想請教這個徐副部長 |
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這個有沒有可能跟日本台日友好我們這個外交關係非常好經濟關係也非常好好 人民關係也非常好未來有沒有可能台日在這個安全上面有更多的合作空間甚至在國防的合作上面有沒有這個可能性 |
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報告委員委員這個設想真的是非常好然後的確台灣在第一島鏈的核心對整個印太區域而言都是非常關鍵的台海一旦有事不只日本有事整個第一島鏈甚至印太都得有事 |
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那麼至於說台日之間的安全合作首先現在日本的國會議員跟我們立議院的執政同仁之間有2加2這個對話這個只是戰略對話而已更實質上的這個不管是科技或者技術的合作有沒有可能用日澳模式日本跟澳洲這個共同興建驅逐艦 |
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為什麼 因為日本有這個造艦的技術所以澳洲需要澳洲也是印太安全重要的成員我們可能用日澳的模式在國防製造武器方面有更多的合作 |
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我想我們台灣現在在無人系統的製造上面是相當不錯的這方面我們台灣的無人系統其實已經成為許多國際無人系統的supply chain這已經是事實了這不是能力的問題因為雙邊還有國際條約簽訂的問題因為日澳之間有國防相關的簽訂但是台日之間還沒有這個部分也許可以一起努力 |
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我想美國的印太戰略當然跟日美安保尤其像高斯藻苗首相他現在要修改安保三文件然後得到充分民意支持這是一個很好的機會那因為他們都把第一島鏈也視為單一戰場 |
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所以在各方面 現在就是說因為台灣跟他們沒有屬於安全條約的關係怎麼樣把台灣編織進來印太的整個戰略裡面所以這裡面有所謂小多邊就把雙邊的關係把它編織成可能三邊 四邊 五邊包括像AUKUS Quad Five Eyes台灣在這裡當然有純粹的國防上面相關也有非傳統安全的議題 |
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在這個方面進展非常的大我今天討論的主題就是說在國防科技對 這個特別是國防產業的合作這部分我為什麼提到台日因為台日友好有日澳之間在造艦上面的合作未來我們是不是可以往這個目標去努力是 我跟委員再補充因為高速找苗的這個戰略成長的這個是西向這個產業 科技的產業再加上美國主導的PIPR |
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就印太的這個工業韌性的這個聯盟台灣其實在這裡面是他們都知道是不可或缺的那我們必須要主動去促成我是這個高市之友會謝謝兩位部長來再下一個問題請內政部這個請內政部長備詢劉部長 |
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這個院長橋頭科學園區是未來半導體的製造研發中心特別製造中心JS狼帶的核心就是在橋頭科學園區這個劉部長以前當副市長的任內橋頭新市鎮的轉型橋頭科學園區都是他任內主導所以我尊稱他是橋科之母 |
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所以沒有他剛說規劃然後讓他轉型把橋樓新市鎮變成橋樓科學園區 |
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北高雄的發展不會像現在那麼的熱絡產業不會那麼發展好 現在橋頭新城第三期我想部長你也知道我關心什麼第三期包括整個生活圈的規劃生活經驗的完善道路交通的能夠建置好包括一之一 包括二之三這個非常重要如果這個沒有做好的話這個貨出不去 |
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當地的橋頭市民沒有辦法每天都受到交通困擾我想請教一下林部長您的意見是不是支持橋頭新市政第三期我們繼續如期開發按照原先的規劃按照專業的評估 |
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謝謝委員的關心我想我一定了解我們在今年1月2號的時候橋頭科學園區已經開始啟用有27家廠商要進駐那當然你所提到的第一期跟第二期的交通路網的部分 |
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現在在我們都委會會進入4月的時候會再繼續審查但是我們也知道有民團的意見我們把民團意見做了一下專業的評估之後跟委員報告一下第一個就是我們會完整的保留橋頭糖廠因為它是21.48公頃是文化景觀區並沒有破壞所謂的生態棲地那裡面也提到所謂的這個其他的綠地的部分我們也查了一下周邊有51公頃的其實它是人工造林跟舊有的公墓 |
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並不是所謂的原始零我必須打斷你因為時間還有一個問題並不是原始零所以應該會按照高雄市的樹木保護規定辦理就可以了如期如質推動繼續推動好謝謝劉部長最後一個問題請教交通部陳部長麻煩再請交通部長備詢這個跟卓院長做個說明排61線就是濱海國道 |
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那個從新北市的這個巴黎一直做到這咱們可以靠 |
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那個是我提案這個大概是六七年有提案說一定要南延你這個六十一台六十一不能只做到台南市要往這個往南延做到這個南直到左營這個部分我經過多年努力可行性評估目前還在這個行政院我想請教一下這個陳部長目前的最新進度像委員報告我們已經送到行政院那目前行政院正在審核當中我希望這個能夠 |
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也許通車的時候我可能已經70幾歲了好 邱委員我會請我們業務單位跟工程會加速來審議這個事情這個一條路的開闢不是那麼簡單但是越早開越好因為這個經過很多的生態的敏感區但是你不早上核定後面的工作沒有辦法繼續進行我請院長更重視 |
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好 謝謝邱志偉委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會社長貝雲 謝謝我們下午質詢上半場 謝謝徐一貞委員 張志龍委員陪同我們一起參與我們現在休息四分鐘 |
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好 不然我們現在繼續開會 接下來請張志倫委員質詢羅美玲委員請準備院長好 各位官員各位委員大家午安有請卓榮泰院長以及交通部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢 |
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參議員好 院長好 部長好本席跟部長 院長報告本席來自中和中和有超過40萬的人口佔了新北市的十分之一所以我們的民眾對於生活環境品質以及交通用車問題的改善有非常迫切的需求第一個要來先請教就是有關於交通上的問題我們有一個國道3號就中和交道的出口 |
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我們中和只有一個中和交流道出口有40萬人需要來使用而且他還分享給我們板橋大概有60萬人所以中和交流道可以說是全台灣最庸塞最擁擠車潮最多的交流道出口之一 |
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那所以在之前很感謝行政院這邊有幫忙來協調就是不管是過去我們的這個交流道的出口的拓寬把路間給取消其實這個大受好評那接下來我們要做的就是未來的交流道的拓寬就是把過去有中和跟板橋我們分享交流道但下交流道的道路的這個出口的交織問題我要把它解決 |
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那從之前陳建源院長核定的可行性不如報告現在我們的工程階段分大概六個階段那第一個階段就是工程規劃的一個部分原本是應該要在114年的4月核定那可是在本席一直的催促之下最後的核定時間是114年的6月2號 |
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就本席而言這個規定是有點晚的那現在本席是想要來拜託這個院長跟部長那現在第二個跟第二個設計作業第三個隨途保持計畫目前來講就本席所了解目前整個的計畫還在這個交通部要把這個 |
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計畫 送到這個行政院來核准那我不知道有沒有機會可以在115年的6月左右有辦法機會核准那是不是可以 因為我剛剛本席有跟院長部長講這個 人車潮非常的擁擠就本席而言 我在看就是因為本席在立法院也三年了那這個整個的計畫到 |
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第三年結果還沒有一個很明確讓我可以跟民眾報告正式開工那現在都還在這個設計作業跟學徒保持計畫是不是有基本就本席了解整個工程沒有很多困難的地方是不是可以 |
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準時合訂加速合訂請院長部長向委員報告我們目前工程會那邊對於經費的同意已經同意了也已經合訂了在今年的1月6號 |
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我們現在進入了細部設計也就是您上面寫的設計作業跟水保計畫這兩個計畫基本上是重疊在做所以時間上應該都會照程序在走我們會盡量趕時間希望能夠在今年的年底之前我們能夠招標並且施工因為6月底要先核定才有可能在12月底招標所以這個部分也拜託部長這邊儘速來協助好嗎 |
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好那第二個也是有關於中和的交通建設那中和現在是總共有11個捷運站算是全台灣全新北捷運站最多的地方那所以因為我們也只有一個交流道所以我們特別關心的就是我們的 |
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這個捷運建設那我相信太阪輕軌這個部長跟院長一定不陌生他是連接蘆洲五谷泰山新莊板橋土城中和等七個行政區非常重要的一個交通建設鐵路捷運建設可是就本席所了解他從113年5月起好像 |
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這個文件的往返非常的頻繁也被推薦非常多次現在累積已經被推薦五次了第五次的推薦是今年115年的2月依照交通部的最新的審查意見退回那本席這邊想要請教因為這個是新北市的重大建設已經被推薦第五次 |
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那新北市的居民不知道什麼時候才有辦法看到這條捷運順利動工是不是也可以請院長跟部長已經被推薦五次是不是應該來開不同的會議而不是一直送件推薦向委員報告感謝您的關心這個議題確實對於我們這個新北的交通來講相當重要 |
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那確實我們這個鐵道局在審查的過程當中也相當的詳細包含一些參數的這個差距它的合理性還有就是高架的一些路段的合理性目前我們正在跟新北市政府兩邊正在溝通當中那也已經回覆給新北市政府那目前新北市政府正在修正當中那您剛剛所提到確實已經五次了那我回去之後也會請鐵道局特別來跟新北市政府來開個會 |
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大家認知上面還有什麼樣子的差距還是有哪些地方需要趕快修正的兩邊趕快達成共識讓他進度可以加快好 謝謝就希望說可以盡量推薦次數有點高所以要拜託院長部長再次幫我們這個新北市的居民大家來看是不是到底有什麼問題不要一直公文完反推薦那未來本席也會支持就是本席跟 |
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德福委員 未來我們可能會還有一個捷運線叫做中和光復線就是從中和連接到公館未來可能連接到大巨蛋這個線那現在目前新北市還在努力推行當中這我們會後續有會跟我們的這個新北市政府跟我們的交通部大家一起來研議大家一起來努力好 那謝謝我們部長可以請回 謝謝 |
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接下來我想要請教的是這個內政部劉思芳部長跟經濟部龔部長 麻煩請內政部長經濟部長背書兩位部長好其實院長跟兩位部長最近這個賴總統宣布重啟核二核三 |
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其實真的是讓全民覺得說現在民進黨政府執政團隊正式願意來面對台灣真實的用電需求那過去的非核家園政策其實在國際的減碳趨勢下其實我們認為這個是一個錯誤的能源政策可是在賴總統宣布可以核二核三具重啟條件的時候本席也予以肯定 |
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那可是也是要拜託也是要跟我們行政團隊報告過去的10年台灣其實付出了非常大慘痛的一個代價不管是過去人民的健康用廢發電 仰賴火力發電等等的問題以及過去台灣整體 |
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依照用了很多的天然氣等等的一個問題那本席想要說的是因應台灣的AI算力等等的需求本席也希望說我們也樂觀其成希望台灣的能源的配比可以更加多元那核能也是一個未來可以來使用的一個方法那本席真的要說的是我們現在擔心我們現在的政府 |
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正在進行另外一個可能未來會讓台灣能源錯誤的政策就是本席現在特別要這邊提到的就是屋頂板強制裝設太陽能板現在這個政策在8月1號要正式上路那本席在這邊要跟院長跟兩位部長報告的是 |
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在當時我有這個質詢有請教我們在去年的11月5號我有請教劉世芳部長跟當時的吳興修署長當時本席就很擔心要在我們的都會區裡面要求1000平方公尺以上的新建物改建或增建的建物一定要強制裝太陽能板是一個未來會導致我們整個 |
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都會區裡面造成很多的疑問不管是建築的安全或者是未來的這個都市裡面會不會造成公安的危機或是造成熱島效應等等這些問題當時我在請教劉部長的時候他是說 |
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九州部長認為我講的也是蠻有道理的他認為說應該以公有建物或工廠為主可是現在我們看到今年8月1號這樣子在我們都會區一般的建築尤其是大家住的住宅就要強制設光電板其實未來我們擔心這個會變成我們講的比較不好聽的叫做城市寫地址所以是不是請教這個院長跟我們兩位部長 |
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這個政策的確還要在8月1號上路嗎不僅是我剛剛講的建築問題未來的公安問題甚至未來交到管委會的手上這個光電板未來發生問題以後的法律問題會不會以後就沒人敢當這個主委了還有講得更白一點這本席也在講很多次因為就本席的了解現在的規定屋頂的面積的三分之一可能未來都要裝光電板以你們現在的政策未來要做 |
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60萬千瓦的發電量的話我們整個都會區會總共會增加將近100到200萬片的光電板那過去本席曾經跟你們報告過我們的光電板過去裝在我們的農田餘溫甚至要裝在我們的山坡地 |
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還有我們的這個水庫那現在能到要裝在我們的都會區的這個民眾的家族的屋頂上嗎是不是可以請院長跟部長就這個政策是不是可以來回應謝謝我原則先來跟委員報告其實政府從能源轉型到現在二次能源轉型我們已經達到了像今年我們預計把我們的這種綠電達到20GW這個目標已經在我們的掌控當中我們全力前進所以不能說 |
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能源的政策有重大的缺失是這個也是國際的趨勢另外我們在光太陽光電的部分我們除了地面型之外屋頂型我們也是全力在推動那現在我們更用一種比較更鼓勵的方式希望1000平方公尺以上的無論是公共 |
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是商業是工業或者住宅都能夠來設置不過我們也有排除的規定如果他是一些特定的行業宗教啦還有另外他有危險的存在的因素或者是他受光面的能力比較差的也可以排除掉 |
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再最重要的是我們可以強化他的強度韌性所以他應該經過我們合格之後他的施工應該要達到可以因應17級陣風所以不會產生危險可是院長你講的都沒錯過去其實台灣其實有這樣的政策可是當時都是以鼓勵來取代強制可是你現在法令第一個我剛剛特別跟你提到你是要用強制 |
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那強制完了以後未來法律風險誰來承擔而且現在台灣完全沒有做這樣的事亞洲國家也沒有一個國家已經宣布全球要強制裝太陽能板未來如果發生風險的話有問題的話那這個風險法律責任誰來擔事管會的主委來擔我們過去到現在如何鼓勵以及現在如何執行請部長來做說明 |
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好 謝謝委員的指教委員我想您在內政委員會所提到的部分我們注意到了所以在去年的時候我們當然是以鼓勵的方式那今年是我們跟經濟部一起統一發布這樣子一個屋頂裝設太陽能的這個光電那這個當然是多元能源來源之一那委員所關心的是有關那裝設它安不安全跟委員報告我們也多次在內政委員會跟其他的委員報告過 |
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就是包括太陽光電設備的設置還有維護管理已經有明確的法律規定那同時呢我也請消防署他們去看一下在公共安全因為當時你在講說到底有沒有這個公安的疑慮啊他們會覺得現行的法律規定就已經有達到這樣的規模那1000平方公尺的這個規定確實沒有錯就是說我們如果 |
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在跟其他的這個公寓大廈的管理的這個單位需要多做溝通的話我們會用其他的方式在多做溝通讓人們覺得說裝設這個部分呢其實對整個大樓或是對整個有1000平方公尺的屋頂呢它是一個多元能源的來源而且可以降低整體的這個公共維運上面用電的一個成本的需求 |
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沒錯 可是我覺得院長跟部長你們還是沒有提到安全的問題因為當時我們大家看到台南台南當時發生颱風的時候 光電板吹得一塌糊塗我想要請教鞏部長的是未來如果光電發生吊毀 吊毀傷害到人命的時候誰要來負責 |
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我們現在要求的他可以一定要抗實際襲擊強風那如果未來還是有發生因為不可能你有抗實際強風施工者他當然要確保這個品質上的安全那施工完畢他是交由誰來處理那未來是由誰來負責 |
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施工者營運者你需要負責啊因為通常來講的話他們不會是管委會自己部長你可能他是把這個面積通常是租給這些開發商嘛我是說屋頂的光電板未來的所有有建設公司新建好取得建造以後他是交由管委會來負責嘛對吧通常不一定是這樣他通常有時候他會把這個面積租給一個開發商開發商他會來做開發然後他要營運管理 |
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那如果是我要跟兩位部長講其實現在就已經有相關的規定來使用可是現在很多一般大樓他在官委會他基本上不會通過 |
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為什麼就是因為怕擔心後續的問題跟成本太高代價太高所以本席在這邊還是要拜託就是我本席不曉得為什麼台灣會變成亞洲第一個要屋頂要強制碳能板的國家而且完全裡面有一個示範區那未來如果有沒有裝有沒有相關的法則後續的法律問題產生法律問題其實我本席在這邊是做出沉重的呼籲不要等到而且我剛已經特別講了未來以你們的裝置發電量 |
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台灣家家戶戶是挨得很緊的未來這個裝置發電量的話在我們的都會區可能會裝到100將近200萬片的太陽能板未來颱風一來極端氣候到時候再來我們再來檢討其實我相信都不會是我們所樂見的啦所以我還是要拜託院長我們這個屋頂的面積是要1000平方公尺理論上是要300平的空間而且是新建跟改建不是現在所有的都要開始裝 |
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我了解我非常清楚可是你看台灣那麼多重劃區都要求或是台灣很多的案子未來都是以老屋改建通通都是以這樣的方式本席第二個還擔心的是什麼未來的轉交的問題會不會是管委會來負擔其實你們都沒有針對我這樣的問題回來如果管委會來負擔那誰未來會願意當管委會的主委所以本席在這邊還是要做沉重的呼籲好不好 |
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請兩位部長可以離開可以休息 謝謝 |
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好再來我想要請教院長的就是今天早上最新的新聞這個行政院經貿談判辦公室大家知道我們的這個嚴惠欣副總今天媒體揭露他的這個談判代表的一個辭職信那您今天在上午接受訪問的時候也證實 |
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這封信是屬實的那我想這封信不僅讓人十分不捨而且也揭露一些我們這個經貿談判的一些我想這個副總要跟大家談的一些事情那本席想要先問就說依照這談判信的內容可以了解這個 |
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行政院內部還是有一些職場霸凌的一些問題那我想問說 因為您今天也提到說你會來啟動這個霸凌案的調查案有沒有說 你有沒有預計什麼時候這個調查案會出爐給大眾一個交代依照行政院本部關於這個職場霸凌的防治申訴以及調查處理的這個辦法 |
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已經在昨天遷由秘書長來簽核啟動內部的這個調查但是我們為了更有招公信也為了讓這個調查能夠順利的進行這次我們非常特別的 |
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是邀請說在所有調查委員當中的外聘委員外聘委員來擔任調查我們期待他們用他們的專業中立以及各種調查的事實來讓這個事件的真相讓家屬讓社會了解 |
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那現在因為申訴人已經沒有辦法來陳述任何的意見我們只有從工作的環境的周遭相關的人員請委員來進行調查那麼我調查他必須在盡快的時間內來完成這個也是辦法裡面所規定的那我們會依照這個辦法來按部就班的程序進行那希望儘快有個答覆出來 |
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好 所以院長沒有一個明確的時間點這個應該由委員他們訂定但我有請這個秘書長來拜託委員儘快依照這個程序來進行必要的調查好 那謝謝謝謝院長那之前我想不管是勞動部的這個霸凌事件跟這次這個經貿談判處的這個嚴副總的辭職信都代表著其實我們行政單位 |
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恆哥機關還是有職場霸凌的情況那我想要請教你們有沒有去確保公務體系不要再出現下一個受害者以及要請教你行政院本來要頒發給顏副總這個一等供需獎章那家族現在已經有表示了感激但是婉拒您對這樣的有什麼看法我首先在下委員報告這個在顏副總代表 |
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所提出的這個傳真簡訊過來的這個辭職信當中並沒有提到所謂霸凌兩個字但有提到工作上受到一些駁斥那我們是在了解但是我們為了更慎重起見我們就啟動了職場霸凌的相關標準來做一些調查的工作另外 |
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其實頒發一等公積獎章這個是基於顏副總代表在整個談判團隊當中對這一次的台美談判進了很大的努力跟貢獻也讓我們談判獲得了很重要的成果那我們覺得他公在國家他足以讓國家對他表達最高的敬意所以我們一切會依照程序那麼繼續跟取得家屬的理解共同來為顏副總代表 |
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在留給國家這樣的攻擊的時候也留給後人對他的對國家所做的貢獻有更多緬懷更多紀念的時間好 謝謝院長那當然在離職信裡面有提到特別有提到一點就是說在他在這個談判處裡面他當時有積極要 |
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來爭取加入CPTPP的一件事情可是他說在執行程式中充滿了消極敷衍的態度而且沒有具體的計畫及時程 |
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他在過去的一年半有提出多次建議但是都沒有獲採納而且甚至受到嚴厲的斥責那我想要請教其實過去民進黨政府通常一直提出來就是有關於這個CPTPP的一個加入的一個進展報告那這樣的他所在離職信寫的是不是 |
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讓我們政府部門過去的努力你要如何回應那你有沒有辦法承諾就是說其實CPTPP的推動是有努力在推動的有沒有辦法給我們一個推動報告讓我們了解說你們的決策是基於專業而沒有在打假球 |
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第一個現在行政院我們啟動院本部的這個調查就是希望了解在各個工作的過程當中包括本件他有沒有在過程當中是不是有不合理的被對待或是在這個跟同事跟部署或是跟長官相處當中有沒有一些值得我們更加檢討的所以這個部分形式上的部分交給調查小組去做調查 |
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另外CPTPP這個部分的工作我們是持續在進行但我剛剛我也承認過去這一年來我們重兵是壓在對美的談判台美談判過程當中雖然我們在很多的場合都期待跟我們相近友好的國家能夠協助我們在各種國際場合能夠幫我們在CPTPP的這個努力過程當中讓他更有能見度那我們也努力已經達到了奧克蘭三原則 |
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最終就是要取得所有會員國的共識那這一點是有相當困難的那我剛剛也承諾我們現在即刻也會再檢討CPTPP這整個工作小組要把他最快的時間內讓他能夠進到能夠確定他的時程確定他的目標各部位來分工合作我們會儘快做到這一點 |
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好謝謝院長那最後其實還是在離職信裡面有提到針對人才的培育等等相關的問題那我也希望說在院長積極要來進行我們所有的調查報告以後可以讓國人也讓家屬有一個清楚的報告一個回應謝謝那接下來我要請教就是說近期 |
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這個台灣校園安全跟青少年犯罪問題我想要再次已經觸動到社會的敏感神經尤其在兩年多前新北有一個國中生的戈井案全案定業也宣判這個行兇的兩位青少年分別判12年跟11年的徒刑可是對 |
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家屬來講我相信他的傷痛難以平復因為加害者只需要執行三分之一的刑期就能假釋沒有過幾年就可以重返社會所以本席在這邊針對現行的法令也要跟這個 |
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院長來做請教第一個就是執行滿三分之一即可假釋的門檻是否過低而且犯案後執行完以後三年後前案可以吐消的機制等等以及觀察的期間是否可以再拉長等等這些問題我想 |
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現在大家可以看到青少年現在犯罪的問題可能越來越高不論是青少年他本身犯罪比如說當車手吸毒 校園暴力或甚至是被成年人誘拐來去做犯罪的行為所以想要請教 謝謝我們部長部長跟院長你們有沒有考慮全面來檢討跟修法給社會跟孩子們一個更安全的環境 |
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是 我們在少年犯或是成少共犯的這個領域當中是開過相當多次的相關會議那也跟司法院經常就這個事件在做一些必要在司法上的聯繫希望能夠把讓法制能夠更完整至於少年犯目前他在這個假釋過程當中他必須達到了這個條件這個目標那也是在一個特別的規定至於執行的部分是不是部長再來做強調 |
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跟委員報告因為少司法是司法院主管的一個法規那有關你那個假釋的門檻的確是只有三分之一那另外那個比較重的無期徒刑那個是七年就可以了那這部分是不是讓我們那個一些詐團或者一些的犯罪團體或可以到利用少年來來做一個詐欺或毒品或其他的一個不法的一個犯罪 |
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那的確是引起社會很大的關注那少事法最近是司法院有嚴厲要修法那法務部的立場我們會協助把這些社會的這些聲音協助讓司法院在這部分再做一些立法上的一個政策的考量 |
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好 謝謝所以我本席還是要拜託本席是希望說有沒有機會大家可以來討論看看就是當然加嚴假釋門檻跟重罪前科不予徒消或者是觀察期從3年草案從3年拉到5年我想是有相對的嚇阻作用 |
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可是我們也要為我們的青少年給他們一些機會所以中間的權衡如何來拿捏我相信我也是拜託部長跟院長看到我們重點是不希望我們的未成年人的犯罪率越來越高就是透過一些我們現在現行法的一些可能不是那麼嚴格的一些 |
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問的一些問題啊以及很多的這個成年人可能會因為這些的漏洞來去吸收未成年人來做一些犯罪我覺得這是我擔心會越來越嚴重好在這邊好再拜託一下法務部跟司法院就這個事件的總和跟分析我們跟他進行必要的一些檢討好 |
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那最後還要再請教院長跟部長這本席每年年底都會辦一場打詐公聽會就是希望說現在民眾所深無痛絕的這個詐騙的問題可以得到一個解決不管公私合力或者是我們提出一些問題或是請教一些我們民間的團體來陳述說他們最痛恨 |
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這個詐騙的原因以及他們最想要的是什麼結果想說他們第一名就是他們希望這個他們的被詐騙的金額可以返還到被害者身上所以在去年的公聽會的時候其實大渣辦公室也承諾我們說他要去做一個關於這個被害人專款返還基金的這件事那本席有去調了一下資料因為現在我們都知道我們每年詐騙的金額 |
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非常的高有時候大概六七百億八百億或九百億或是一千多億尤其在113年的時候被詐騙的金額大概是一千億左右114年高達一千兩百億那我想要跟院長跟部長討論兩個金額被詐騙的金額高達上千億可是詐欺沒收的犯罪所得我這裡有個資料 |
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在113年只有35億所以是不是第一個重點是我們能掌握這些被詐騙的金額我們可以把它追回來的錢其實事實上被詐騙整理的金額還不到5%那本席更覺得不可思議的事情這裡面有一半的錢可能沒有辦法返還給被害者是沒入到國庫我們的公庫那本席就覺得這是非常不合理的民眾被詐騙的錢怎麼到最後 |
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會進入到國庫應該是要返還給被害人政府連一毛錢應該都不能收這個被害人被詐騙的金額所以是不是請院長跟部長我們這個詐騙被害人的專款返還基金什麼時候要成立那你是不是也覺得說這個被詐騙的被害人的財損居然最後是到國庫裡面去是不是非常不合理 |
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犯罪之後的量刑跟追回的這個反向我們已經從犯罪所得現在已經要變更為這個實質的實際的損害那實質損害有多少就應該是整個量刑的標準而不是以行為人犯罪所得的那麼一點點的車手費用而已這個已經有重大的一個方向的調整那現在目前怎麼來跟各界來做說明謝謝委員的一個詮詢我想這個整個一個對 |
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被害人的一個保護那這次我們剛完成一個修法就是在詐欺危害防治條例就是強調就是徵定就是修訂為對要自首或自白或六個月要與被害人達成調和解就是在徵審抓調和解而且在六個月內 |
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要把這些調和解的金額要把它支付完畢這樣才能夠在法律上能夠做一個得減免的減輕期刑的一個法律上的優惠我想這部分我們是加強做一個保護那另外我們還有近視的條款我們不允許這些詐欺犯能夠享有這些犯罪的一個所得 |
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那剛才有提到就是有關於那個沒入的金額沒入的金額因為那個詐欺的話因為自殺有被害人我們當然是會還給就是罰還給被害人那就利用調和解告提到調和解的這種的機制來彌補被害人的一個損害但是有些的犯罪是找不到被害人的 |
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那些是單純其他的一些的犯罪的所以這部分當然要沒入要以沒收那我想這部分這法律依照是法律可是還是有很多被害人他沒有拿到財損這部分因為被害人的確因為要被害人的話因為有抓到必須有查獲到這些我請教實際的關係我請教部長我們的這個被害人專款返還基金什麼時候會成立會成立嗎 |
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這部分那個塔薩辦公室有在做一個宮廷會 剛才委員有提到宮廷會有做一些好 謝謝張志倫委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來本日最後一位質詢委員登記第47號羅美玲委員 請質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請卓院長還有財政部莊部長農業部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長農業部財政部備詢羅委員好 |
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院長好 院長南投縣在過去一年多以來因為跟垃圾有關的公共建設案在選址上面引起了很大的風波其中有民間鄉的焚化爐的案子甚至還有埔里的廢棄物業埋場的這兩個案子 |
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其實是引起了當地民眾很大的恐慌不滿甚至也引起了很多的抗爭本席現在想就民間焚化爐的選址的幾個爭議跟各位來做一個請教南投縣民間鄉有超過2000公頃的茶園 |
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其實也是全國有超過七成的手搖飲的基底茶都是來自於民間鄉可是南投縣政府卻是要在有茶香美譽的民間鄉來蓋一座焚化爐所以引起當地民眾很大的反彈當然最近有一些抗爭當然民眾也有一些疑慮首先我想請教財政部我們庄部長 |
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那對於這個這個土地的這個撥用大概就是最近有很多的這個餘地像民眾的話他會認為說為什麼他這個是選址是在這個特定的農業區可是我們卻用這個 |
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促参法第15条就拨给这个南投县政府来做使用当然我也有求证国产署确确实实就是引用这一条可是民间确实质疑这土地的不用是有问题的为什么我们不会我们不是引用这个国有财产 |
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法的第38條其中裡面有提到非公用財產類似不動產各級政府機關為公務或公共所需得申請撥用可是呢他有一個狀況是不得辦理撥用的那就是 |
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不合區域計畫或都市計畫土地使用分區規定著因為它這裡是特定農業區為什麼當初南投縣政府在申請這個要撥用的時候我們不是用國有財產法第38條而是用畜產法第15條請問部長回答 |
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跟委員報告各級政府不管是中央或地方政府他只要為了公共或公務需要的話都可以申請撥用國有土地那一般是適用國產法第38條如果說他要走促參的模式來做後續的公共建設 |
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那他可以走促參法的第15條來辦理撥用那不管是國參法或者是促參法他辦理撥用的時候碰到的是非都市土地的話那依照內政部的解釋是可以先辦撥用不需要先辦理用地的變更但是如果這個土地撥去以後他後續要做用地的變更或還 |
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環境影響評估或等等開發許可他依然要走程序來走如果這裡面的這些條件沒有辦法成就的話讓他的撥用的用途沒有辦法落實這個時候就可以廢止撥用把這個土地重新返回到國有財產署來所以這個撥用基本上是讓他就是說他要去走後面程序先完成的這一個部分那後面的程序都不會受影響都還是一樣要去做他的用地的變更也好 |
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環境影響評估都必須要去落實的我想請教部長他當初南投縣政府在用這個出產法第15條來申請這個撥用的時候他那時候就是很明確就是說我就是要在這裡設置粉化爐嗎是這樣子嗎是他在撥用的時候必須要把它要做什麼樣的用途在撥用計畫裡面要明白的敘述 |
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所以当时他在申请这个的时候你们不会去考虑其他的因素吗比如说他是特定农业区也许他不适合你们是不会去考虑这些其他的因素你只要说他符合这个法条他只要符合这出产法第15条你们就来办理其他的你们都不考虑是不是在非都市土地的部分并不会要求这个但是他后续剥去以后他要做这个用途依然要按照 |
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土地使用管制的規定以及環評以及開發許可等等各項條件都必須要具備他才能夠用如果這些條件不具備他沒有辦法用的時候土地就會辦理廢紙撥用交回到國有財產署 |
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好那這樣子聽起來的話說實在的財政部這邊我們好像要尋求財政部這邊的協助看來是沒有希望我想請教農業部我們陳部長因為這個焚化爐的預定是在特定農業區它涉及的是2000公頃的茶產業所以農業部一定要有態度那剛剛我們莊部長已經說了可能要等到後續的時候當然我們知道聽起來是撥用 |
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不一定可以直接興建嘛那這個部分的話我想請問因為我不曉得納豆縣政府到目前為止它所謂的計畫書有沒有送到中央那到底如果說這個計畫送到中央之後呢我們農業部要如何把關呢它是有它這是攸關於全國首搖飲產業的未來我在想農業部一定要有態度我想請教部長這部分後面如何把關 |
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好謝謝委員我想第一個就是土地的撥用不代表就可以農地變更這是非常明確的農業部這邊申請對根據相關的農發條例如果他是特定特農區的話他原則上是不可以變更的但是如果說他是做相關的公共事業的時候公共事業興建的時候我們會針對 |
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他提出來這個公共事業是不是具有合理性必要性跟不可替代性我舉個例子這三個要件去審查它是不是符合公共建設的要地不可替代性的意思就是說今天他要興建粉化廠 |
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那是不是說整個南投縣的粉化垃圾的處理是不是一定要興建成為一個粉化廠的地方這個是部分這第一個說明第二個說明就是就農業部的立場因為他在這個區域想要興建粉化爐 |
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但是這個周遭的地區裡面我們也盤點了就像委員所說的他的茶是大概是兩千兩百多公頃那整個南投縣六千四百多公頃的茶是占全國茶產區的一半五至三左右所以他是非常重要的一個茶產區 |
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而這個茶產區又特別是我們商業用茶的基底的主要的原料佔了將近90%商業用茶佔了90%所以它後續的影響會很大第三個更重要就是說在這個地區裡面它是石斧的一個所謂的生態的一個熱區那如果說興建的時候那影響到相關的石斧的這些熱區的時候那可能 |
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就會回到我剛才一開始講的我們會做三個審查合理性必要性跟不可替代性那以這樣的一個情勢的時候未來目前他沒有送審未來審查的時候他第一個要通過環評那環評跟農地變更是平行去審的但是環評在審查的時候一定會徵求我們農業部的意見那我們農業部的意見剛才已經表達非常清楚那同樣的就是環評那邊即使過了 |
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進到我們真正的農地變更的時候我們還是會再次審查它的合理性、必要性跟不可替代性 |
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所以目前來講的話當然我們環團也好或者是當地民眾都希望現階段我們中央能夠就立即的阻止這件事情繼續發展下去比如說因為它可能還有很多的流程要跑我想請教一下我們中央政府在這個階段有什麼可以著力的地方嗎還是要像部長所講的一定要等它送到計畫來進入審查會然後我們再來做審查提意見 |
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針對種種的因素我們提出我們的意見我們只能在那個階段的時候做點什麼事現階段您認為以農業部來講的話我們只能呼籲南投縣政府可以懸崖勒馬還是怎麼樣 |
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我跟委員報告因為案子沒有進來表示沒有這個案子只是他們準備做這樣的規劃目前他們準備做這個所以說在準備規劃的時候我們在不同的時間點我們其實已經非常清楚表達農業部的立場他原則上在特農區是不適合興建的特別是這個有爭議的這個焚化廠他對於那個 |
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不可替代性的部分必須要更謹慎的去檢討不可替代性說是不是一定要設野脈廠或是焚化爐才是能夠解決他當地的垃圾的問題他必須要清楚的說明 |
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所以我們是希望就是說真的等到他們真的把計畫送出來因為我們看到的話他大概是前面的階段都一直在進行當中那我們聽起來中央政府這裡要等到他計畫進來之後你們可能做整個的審視才可以就你們的專業的立場提供這個意見嗎部長現在您講的這個是這樣子嗎對 相關的規定是如此 |
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不過報告委員對特定農業區農業部是非常的謹慎必定要經過層層的把關而且通過各種的條件才有辦法變更目前看起來農業部採取的是相當清楚的立場要變更是非常非常困難的甚至是不可能所以我也希望南投縣政府有心要解決縣內的垃圾大家都應該來協助但南投縣政府必須先了解現在南投縣政府 |
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每天的垃圾他除了可以回收的除了大型可以再利用的除了廚餘之外他剩下多少垃圾據我現在的手上的資料他剩下應該要做這種焚化或是等等處理的垃圾大概有259噸之多那麼應該先從垃圾減量開始在尋求縣內有沒有其他的處理的量能可以擴大增建 |
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那用這個來解決目前這259噸的垃圾再來呢他能夠跟區域的合作跟區域其他縣市做各種不同的合作方式那所以如果這樣子從清除他的量能進行垃圾的減量必須再做一些量能的擴增 |
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也許他有辦法來解決目前那如果南投縣政府能夠聽聽現在地方上一些人士提出這樣一個所謂複合性方式的一個方式的話那需要我們來協助行政院願意來協助南投縣政府但是這必須南投縣政府自己要承擔這樣一個地方處理垃圾的量能跟責任OK 好 謝謝院長我先請兩位部長先回座我們現在請環境部彭部長 |
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南投縣的垃圾問題真的是非常的這個嚴重那我認為地方政府應該確確實實我們長久以來希望說我們也有可以有自主去化的這個能力那現階段我們面臨的問題其實就是選址的問題他的選址出了問題不管是現在的這個民間焚化爐的選址或者是埔里掩埋場的選址其實南投縣政府他都 |
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出了很大的這個問題好那之前呢剛剛那個我們卓院長真的很清楚對於南投縣的這個垃圾的這個目前他可能沒有很積極從源頭來做這個處理這部分我就想這是一個長久以來的這個問題 |
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像之前我們南投縣長參選人溫士珍醫師他提出了所謂的雞尾酒療法他自己本身是醫生他就認為說就像治病一樣比如說有癌症可能你也沒有辦法用單一的方式來做治療你應該要用多元的方式來處理我在想剛剛卓院長其實也講到了重點我在想跟我們溫士珍醫師的想法其實是非常的類似 |
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是不是要設置這個焚化爐才能夠做到垃圾的去化是不是焚化爐才是唯一的途徑然後之前呢溫醫師其實他跟我做了很多的討論也做了一些這個數據的這個分析那像目前就如剛剛我們院長所提的其實我們一天我們的這個 |
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廢棄物的總量其實是635公噸除掉處於16公噸資源回收351公噸還有巨大再利用9公噸其實我們一般垃圾每天的生產量是259公噸其中有161公噸是委外來處理剩下其實每天都還有98公噸的缺口 |
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如果再加上之前我們也知道說南投常常發生火燒垃圾山的事情發生像全縣目前佔據的總量是32.7萬噸 |
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那是從過去就累積下來的那其實這個數字除了說我們南投沒有焚化爐沒有去化的能力之外我在想努力不夠也是原因之一 文士這麼認為因為像南投垃圾的這個問題我們之前跟文士陣營是曾經做過一些概算的那目前南投縣的資源回收率是55.24% |
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可是如果你參考我們台北市或雙北市的執行機關資收率台北市是67.01%新北市59.45%其實南投縣的資源回收率比雙北尤其是台北市少了整整10% |
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台北市可能能夠做到67.01%可是南投縣只有55.24%如果說我們可以參考雙北的做法的話是我們一起可以減少27到75噸的垃圾量 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好 謝謝羅美玲委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |
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我們本日排定的質詢委員均已經質詢完畢再次謝謝左院長 鄭副院長以及各部會列席的首長列席答詢3月31號星期二上午9點我們繼續進行施政方針及施政報告質詢再次謝謝徐毅臻委員 張志能委員陪同我們一起參與今天的施政質詢先來休息 |