| IVOD_ID |
17296 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17296 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T08:40:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T12:46:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:05:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e4ee4a7eab0b67bbea76c5bc7f9ff610a44e0a145e6cc6f0fd09bc2fd2b33ec855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:40:09 - 12:46:00 |
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請主任秘書報告出席委員人數阿拉委員會出席委員已足法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會第四次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年三月三日星期一九十至十一時四十五分 |
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地點群憲樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福等14人列席委員林楚英等4人地席官員金廣惠主委彭金榮暨所屬單位代表中央銀行業務局外匯局財政部國庫署負稅署法務部等各單位代表暨相關人員主席李昭君彥秀報告事項 |
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宣讀上次會議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項審查本院台灣民眾黨黨團委員林思敏等21人分別離去虛擬資產服務法查案等兩案經委員林思敏說明提案要旨儘管會主委彭金榮會議黨團及委員提案後機構委員林德甫等10人提出質詢均經主委彭金榮保護部楊檢察官 |
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財政部胡副組長、蘇副組長、莊陽業務局蔡局長、桂馬中心檢董事長及相關人員予以答覆決定依說明及詢答完畢二、委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於周內以書面答覆委員亦邀請期限者重新鎖定三、委員林楚瑩、王世堅所提書面質詢列入紀錄和任務報並請相關部會以書面答覆四、虛擬資產服務法查案等兩案另則其繼續審查宣讀完畢 |
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在場委員為主法定人數議事錄暫不確定請議事人員宣讀今日議程邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長及郭文憲董事長總經理含個轉投之企業機構公股代表之董建勢列席業務報告並備諮詢宣讀完畢原例介紹與會政府官員財政部莊翠雲部長綜合規劃師李瓊林司長 |
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國際財政司李明基司長推動畜生司張素貞司長人事處張芳琦處長會計處李秋月處長統計處蔡美娜處長政風處周志信處長法治處姚瑩處長秘書處楊金亨處長 |
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國庫署陳柏成署長負稅署宋秀琳署長官務署彭英偉署長國有財政署曾國基署長財政資料中心張文希主任財政人員訓練所洪惠珊代理所長台北國稅局樓美中局長 |
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高雄國稅局許明佑局長北區國稅局李雅菁局長中區國稅局翁培佑局長南區國稅局陳惠啟局長台灣金融控股股份有限公司兼台灣銀行董事長林忠元董事長總經理司馬立總經理 |
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台灣營養股份有限公司吳嘉曉總經理台銀人壽保險股份有限公司張志宏董事長劉啟勝總經理台銀綜合證券股份有限公司李素森董事長張振康總經理台灣土地營養股份有限公司何英明董事長張志堅總經理 |
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兆豐金融控股股份有限公司兼兆豐銀行董事長董瑞斌董事長金控總經理張傳張總經理兆豐國際商業銀行股份有限公司黃永珍第一金融控股股份有限公司兼第一銀行董事長邱月琴董事長 |
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金礦總經理方迎基總經理第一商業銀行股份有限公司周朝崇總經理華南金融控股股份有限公司兼華南銀行陳芬蘭董事長肖玉美總經理華南商業銀行股份有限公司黃俊志總經理 |
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合作金庫金融控股股份有限公司兼合庫銀行董事長林衍茂董事長金控總經理蘇佐正總經理合作金庫商業銀行股份有限公司王淑芳總經理彰化商業銀行股份有限公司胡光華董事長簡志光總經理台灣中小企業銀行股份有限公司李嘉祥董事長 |
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李國忠總經理中國蘇蘇日銀行戴登山理事主席謝富華總經理台灣英九股份有限公司湯祈安董事長賴煥忠總經理財政部印刷廠王國榮廠長官報網路股份有限公司張路森董事長高國豐總經理 |
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中央債保險股份有限公司李一芬董事台灣金融資產股份有限公司龔文平董事長台灣金融資產服務股份有限公司陳美如董事長台北金融大樓股份有限公司賈永傑董事長 |
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主席各位委員先進大家早今天貴委員會召開全體委員會議本人應邀率本部主管同仁列席提出業務報告 |
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緊就重點提出口頭報告詳細內容請參閱書面報告首先中央政府的總預算114年度的執行情形在稅務方面我們實收數是3兆1595億元達成率是99.8%那麼其中稅客收入的實收數達成率是99.1%那麼在融資財源方面總預算並沒有舉借債務 |
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而债务还本的预算数1415亿元已全数执行完成截至114年底中央政府一年以上公共债务未偿余额为5兆8379亿元占前三年度明目GDP平均数是24.3%那也就是债务比率是24.3% |
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那麼有關中央政府115年度總預算案的編列情形我們稅務編列2兆8623億元稅出編列3兆0350億元稅務稅出差短1727億元如果加計 |
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加計債務還本1265億元那麼需要融資調度是2992億元規劃全數以舉債來支應那麼總預算案的舉債佔稅出比例是9.9%那麼並計丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建還有強化韌性等特別預算舉債數1095億元合計總共需要舉債數是4087億元 |
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預估到115年底中央政府一年以上公共債務未償餘額6兆8631億元債務比例是26.4%低於公債法的債務存量上限40.6%截至115年2月底我們的債務比例實際數是23% |
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繼續報告本部近年近半年的重要的績效承蒙貴委員會的協助我們上會期順利完成了貨物稅條例使用牌照稅法海關進口稅則等多項法律的修正我們朝著優化稅制目標更邁進了一步那麼為因應美國關稅等涉及情勢的變化影響我們辦理了普發現金作業提供了金融支持以及 |
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租稅優惠的措施並根據加強邊境查驗違規轉運查緝還有多元活化運用國有資產以及提升促餐辦理的成效等再報告本部未來工作方向以及重點 |
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首先是國庫業務部分因應政府各項施政所需我們多元籌措裁員同時落實債務的管控維持財政的穩健並且透過債務分級管理機制來強化地方政府的債務管理 |
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在推動發行乙類公債方面115年的1月30日我們協助了國立金門大學發行首檔中央政府永續發展債券我們將會持續推動自償性資金的需求透由乙類公債來籌資並且透過兆元投資方案來促進中央各部會及地方政府規劃發行具有自償性的永續發展債券我們讓引導資金投資社會永續的發展 |
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在推動財化法的修法方面我們會持續推動院版的修正草案讓中央地方的事權更為合理分配而各地方政府之間也能夠更公平的分配落實地方自治強化中央政府和地方的夥伴關係在新清安貸款方面本方案將於今年的7月底屆滿這個時候我們正進行整體的評估並且和相關部會共同商議來研議未來的方向 |
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1838.931 |
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付稅業務部分,為了維護租稅公平、落實憲法保障平等權及財產權的意旨,我們研擬修正移證稅法。為落實納稅者權利保護法的意旨,研擬修正營業稅法。另外,新增中所稅線上申報無障礙的網頁,打造友善視障納稅義務人的報稅環境。 |
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1841.593 |
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1861.684 |
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我們也持續推動和經貿投資往來密切國家來洽簽租稅協定以及透過參與國際組織來掌握政策發展的趨勢強化財政外交以及合作在官務業務部分為了確保官務資料正確性以及和主管機關用詞一致我們研修海關進口稅則並且持續執行數位海關再造 |
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1866.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1870.347 |
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循具體的太舊彎心、貨櫃檢查儀的建制等計畫來推動官務數位創新以及增進邊境查緝量能另外我們會持續推動和經貿關係密切國家的洽簽協定來促進跨界貿易的安全以及便捷 |
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1883.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1898.186 |
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在国产业务部分,我们诸如积极辅导使用机关完备管理工作,深化公产管理的职能,同时以播用、标注、设定地上权等多元方式来活化国有非公用财产。 |
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1899.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1913.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
並且配合政策以及產業發展需求依規定提供國有土地發揮國有財產運用的效能在促參業務部分除了促參提案平台公開公共建設的商機案員並且精進促參法制環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1917.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1940.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
來建構一個有利民間投資公共建設的環境同時透過協助主辦機關精進招商的前置作業以及辦理實體招商大會媒合商機等措施多元的引導機關推動促餐以上為本部工作的重點報告承蒙過億委員會協助以及督促讓我們的各項財政業務得以順利推動 |
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1941.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1962.518 |
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面對國際經濟情勢的快速變化本部將會審慎規劃各項的財政措施促進國家經濟以及產業穩定的發展同時落實債務控管確保財政的穩健為國家奠定永續發展的基石敬請各位委員繼續支持以及指教使財政工作更真完善謝謝 |
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1965.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1983.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
謝謝部長現在開始詢答先做以下宣告每位初期委員發言時間8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘每位列席委員發言時間5分鐘今日上午10點截止發言登記現在依登記順序請登記第一位林德福委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2000.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2010.689 |
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謝謝主席莊部長還有議會各列席的董事長總經理各單位的代表是不是請莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2018.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2043.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
委員長部長您早部長因為根據財政部統計累計今年前2月證交稅以收入達到702億元較去年同期增加351億元顯示證交稅是整體稅收的重要支柱那現行的當沖證交稅減免 |
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2046.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2068.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
一直到二零二七年底截止那市場關注當沖降稅是否延續那金管會主委彭主委日前有接受質詢時表示股市若全部是長期投資市場流量效率將活力不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2069.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2084.461 |
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為了維持交易動能以及促進整個這個證券市場穩定的發展我請問莊部長當沖降稅前面是我會不會延長那何時可以做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2086.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2093.898 |
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跟委員報告當沖降稅是在從106年開始來實施那也經過了三次的延長當沖降稅的措施那在每一次屆期之前都會我們財政部和金管會都會來做充分的討論那麼基於就是說促進證券市場的長遠發展的需要還有減低證券市場的不確定性等等因素來做綜合考量 |
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2110.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2113.587 |
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那這一次的當中降稅的實施期間到116年的12月底所以在屆期之前呢我們會和金管會再做充分的討論再來做後續的決定那你差不多屆期前多久 |
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2124.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2150.395 |
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那因為到明年底嘛所以應該會在明年的下半年下半年好謝謝那個我再請問因為台股跟美股有高度的聯動關係那目前整個台股散戶人數創新高啊來到583萬人那一旦股市行情急轉直下眾多散戶恐怕會套牢在高點 |
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2151.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2161.266 |
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那屆時整個股市交易若極速的冷卻對於證交稅收勢必產生重大的影響進而影響到116年度總預算的這個稅務計算 |
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2167.873 |
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2189.691 |
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那這個最近中東戰火影響本席要提醒這個財政部莊部長要做好準備面對隨時可能發生的黑天鵝外界關注國安基金修法將可動用資金的上限提高到一兆元請問那個莊部長立場還是審慎評估嗎會不會 |
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2195.595 |
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2201.541 |
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原報告對於股市的一個動向那台灣的股市深受這個美股的影響以及國際政經情勢的一個變化 |
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2203.973 |
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2223.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那尤其像這個中東戰事的一個發生以後其實我們和金管會還有行政院都密切關注股市的一個情況那麼也有做一些相關的應對的措施準備所以國安基金會密切的關注股市的變化如果有符合國安基金管理條例第八條的一個條件的話我們也可以隨時召開臨時會議來決定是否要 |
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2255.391 |
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授權來做相關的一個維護資本市場穩定的一個方法那至於目前來說對於證交稅的部分我們知道台灣的股票市值已經超過百兆元那當然是然後成交量一月份的日均量大概是九千一百二月份也是到九千八百億元那所以他的成交量其實相當的算是比以前都來的高那至於未來就是說國安基金的一個 |
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2256.874 |
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2266.175 |
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規模是要到多大目前來說我們財委會已經經過詢答剩下就是後續的要做處理那我們尊重大院的一個處理安排 |
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2282.883 |
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因為高處不勝寒啦當然你要是說尤其現在中東的整個戰爭變化隨時都會產生很嚴重的一個影響所以說這個部分我認為財政部一定要審慎去應對 |
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2287.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2316.033 |
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部長青年基本法今年1月公布實施那政府應訂定青年居住政策來提升這些青年之居住品質落實青年居住的正義並由住宅主管機關來負責青年購屋協助的規劃推動當初新青安貸款政策上路後引發投機的亂象 |
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2317.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2323.477 |
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那為避免整個資源被濫用政府研議啊新青安2.0版據傳將限縮申請條件和方案這個據傳說有80條款 |
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2332.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2347.302 |
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申請人年齡和借款年限的條件若想要申請40年期的方案申請者的年齡需在40歲以下財政部你們到底有沒有這樣的一個規劃 |
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2349.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2374.487 |
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謝謝委員我想新清安這個在112年8月推出以後我們是以本人配偶以及未成年子女沒有房子的為對象那到執行到今年的1月底我們已經合帶了15萬戶金額大概有1兆1千億元那這個部分是協助我們沒有自由住宅的青年朋友們能夠取得第一間房子 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2374.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2384.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那在過程當中當然有些採取有一些人用投機的行為那所以在過程當中我們也做精進以及滾動的檢討首先第一個就是限於一生只能帶一次的新清安為什麼呢因為避免有買進賣出賺差價所以這個只能一生一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2392.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2397.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
那第二個部分我們對於有發生就是買了以後不做自住出租或用貿易人頭來買的這個情況也加強查核那目前來說也已經追回了相關的利息補貼超過了兩億元 |
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2407.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2431.395 |
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這個部分是用國家的資源來協助朋友們去買房子做利息補貼但是不能去做不合原來意義的用途所以這個在執行過程當中我們持續在檢討經濟那至於星期三到今年七月底就屆期了後續要怎麼做那財政部呢也在根據相關的房市的需房地市場以及金融市場還有青年朋友們的需求 |
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2431.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2435.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
以及資金成本等等各項因素來考量我們有兩次邀請相關的部會來討論聽取意見那麼我們會研擬方案會報請行政院核定後再來做更多會做說明那所以剛剛委員聽說據傳那都是據傳所以目前來說並沒有定案 |
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2453.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2466.075 |
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本席是希望說青青安2.0政策上路前至少要提早兩個月讓民眾知道以利民眾研究準備申請的資料部長你有沒有什麼看法委員您說得很清楚我們當然也希望在屆期之前能夠把方案定下來跟社會大眾來做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2476.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2488.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
整個大家能夠有一個知道的未來的方向這個是我們目前正努力在做的我也希望一定要提早兩個月讓大家知道說你要有哪些條件才能夠符合那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2490.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2503.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
因為根據最新國債中今年的3月資料中央政府債務合計差不多有6兆2979億元平均每個人的負擔是27.1萬叫10年前國債中增加了8292億平均每個人的負債增加3.9萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2516.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2527.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
那財政為恕政之母那我請問部長如果此次軍購特別條例預算依照行政院版通過8年1.25兆這整個軍購是否需要舉債來因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2535.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2551.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
你剛剛提到國債中那三月資料是27.1萬那每一年的一到三月尤其是第一季的時候都是資金需求大比如說在發相關的獎金那另外呢大額的稅款沒有能夠進來大額稅款大多在五月六月會進來所以呢國債中會比較高而且國債中裡面的債務呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2555.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2558.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
是包含長期債務跟短期債務一起算在內那事實上它會隨著時間而有不同那也跟委員報告事實上我們目前實際上的債務是5兆9並沒有到6兆8那麼高那我們對債務的控管一直會按照公債法跟財政紀律法來鞏固 |
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2573.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2584.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
因為民眾擔心的就是說你高額的軍購預算對整個社會教育以及基礎建設有排擠的效應那對於這個國債中當然一定有影響會衝擊嘛因為你 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2589.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2605.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
這個有變那麼多預算一定衝擊到其他的預算所以說真的要好好的因應處理那個部長有公股基層銀行行員跟本席反映因為高層要求基層的行員拉保險充業機 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2607.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2623.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那雖然銀行大賺手續收入但卻讓第一線的整個理財專員壓力增大長久下來恐怕會讓保險公司不像保險公司銀行也不像銀行因為根據金管會資料的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2625.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2650.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
112年到113年八大公股行庫遭到客戶申訴銀行通路有不當的招攬保險行為一共有117件本席跟金管會反映過此事本席也希望財政部要督導公股行庫本席也拜託各位董事長跟總經理高層設定的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2652.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2669.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
不要讓整個基層里專人員破於業績的壓力挺而走險以不當的話術來誘使民眾來購買這些不熟悉的保險商品以免未來發生一些投資上的糾紛部長有什麼看法 |
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2670.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2694.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
我想委員的指教我們各公股行庫的董總們也都在現場不要本末倒置啦因為你的行業是銀行結果你變成保險業那有一點好像不倫不類欸你有沒有覺得我想不只公股銀行我想民營銀行對啊很多啊你問問這些公股銀行都可以有多角化的方式多元的方式來獲利我想這個部分用什麼樣的適當的方式來跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2696.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2712.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
客戶朋友們介紹有關保險的產品也許在方法上應該有所精準對啦我是認為財政部你們要去要求規範因為我時間到了我們不希望本業不從事本業然後你做其他的行業做了有一點不能不累啦真的謝謝謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2714.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2722.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
謝謝林德夫委員請問在場的委員對於上一次會議的議事錄有沒有意義沒有意義會議記錄確定第二位請賴世寶委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2736.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2751.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
謝謝主席以及各位先進有請財政部的部長以及低金趙鋒金和顧金華蘭金四位董事長一起上台請財政部總部長還有剛剛四位董事長請上台委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2760.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2775.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
部長以及各位長官好 首先也請教部長 我們現在正在審這個一點澳洲的國防特別預算就問部長 這個一點澳洲是不是全數舉債 是不是 |
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2776.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
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在特別條例裡面的草案裡面是說以遺用稅據剩餘或舉借債務的方式對 稅據剩餘現在多少稅據剩餘這個部分是現在多少是主計總署在計算的主計總署在計算我所知道沒有啦所以14年的決算還沒有出來對啦 稅據剩餘大概剩100多億吧所以幾乎全數舉債如果全數舉債又按照行政院的版本的話 |
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每一個人就是要五萬負擔這個五萬就是讓大家知道一下五萬乘以兩千三百萬人財務部的報告未來要看那個特別預算怎麼去編列跟每一年的安排那對於債務的部分我們財政部是會做整身的管然後都有餘裕我們就還債所以會讓債務的比例往下降就讓大家知道一下讓全民知道一下 |
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我們如果按照這個賴總統 卓院長念之在職說要按照行政版本通過1.25兆幾乎全數舉債一個人要負擔五萬好 那個來 我覺得主要是這四家四家換工股啊投信要合併主導的是第一金嘛 是不是是的第一金的董事長要不要來講一下 |
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進度怎麼樣 進度報告委員 就是有關併購的事情我想我們是上市公司那目前我們都對併購案都是基於保護員工還有客戶的權益股東權益來進行評估分析目前還在進度中大概什麼時候可以對外宣布正式合併完成還沒有一個確定的進度 對 |
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沒有進度表來這裡要說實話不能來這裡不講話不行啦進行中啦趙鋒晶要不要講一下 趙鋒晶董董報告委員 趙鋒晶是上市公司所以有關任何併購的案子的話沒有送進董事會我們都沒有辦法做評論都目前還沒送董事會還沒還沒何苦勒 何苦經理 |
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委員報告 何愧也是上市公司那我們都會提報董事會然後再做好 黃蘭菁 黃蘭菁咧也是一樣 還沒有送董事會我看媒體報導就是黃蘭菁在反對喔沒有喔 反對力很大喔所以進度 啵啵啵 沒有進度喔突然沒有沒有 我們都配合第一次的那個進度在執行來 莊部長 要講一下嗎 莊部長 |
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媒體講說華南軍在撤走所以這個看起來要合併事實上我們合併不了就這樣我想委員還是上次也提過就是說我們供股投信的適合疑似案規劃的進程來再進行那我們這些上市公司都會按照有關的法律的規定我們第一個時間表明今年底有沒有可能完成合併 |
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我想我們會按照法定的程序跟法定的程序做法定的程序就是有關金管會的規定跟證交法的規定都有相關的規定那時間表我想我們會按照相關的規劃進度來進行那等到時機成熟我們會跟對外做公開的訊息 |
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合併以後你們要快喔因為行政院在規劃主權基金喔主權基金的話就是由這個合併以後的投信來操盜很重要的角色喔是這樣子對不對部長我想委員的消息我不知道從哪裡來從你那裡啊從你那裡啊從我啊我從來沒有說過這樣的話主權基金還在目前國發會在規劃當中 |
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國發會還在規劃當中而且未來朝廷可能會訂定專法的方式來做後續的執行主權基金到底是你管還是國會管啊 |
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是國發會在規劃主權基金一定要財政部主導啦主權 財政部就代表主權啦最代表主權就是財政部啊各位報告還是目前在整體規劃而且會朝向訂定專法的方式來做執行進度呢 主權基金的進度呢進度目前國發會在規劃可能國發會更清楚 對 |
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他們也在收集國際間的各種材料那個你們要動用外匯是有償還是無償的部分動用外匯存底是央行來做主導我先講好了你們要無償使用我絕對分隊誓死分隊無償使用外匯要外匯用那就有償去買好了 四位董事長請回我再請教今天跟河濱有關的題目 |
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這個泛光股跟台酒啊台酒簡直花了80億以上啊去買到國票金22%的股權啊今年五月底要改選董建勢還要增設一個副董事長喔 這東西這金端得幾了齁上一次你提過說你的安排是實力原則好一個實力原則喔那個 |
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這個我們從37年來就已經形成一個定定的一個台灣的國漁事業往民營化的方向走國漁事業要符合超六時代往民營化的方向走就像你今天反其道而行你現在花人民的錢去買了國貿金 |
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拿了22%然後你要介入經營群 董事長你派 總經理你派這個東西要潮流 當然實力原則你拿了22%董事長 總經理你來派 天經地義 天公地道可是 我們看下一頁 不要忘了監管外嚴格限制喔 授選業 |
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動用保護的資金我用我的保單我交了錢買保險他用我的保險的錢介入經營權經貨是限制的而且不得行使表決權同樣的道理你用納稅人的錢公共都是納稅人的錢啊 |
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北京、台、台獨說百分之百都是要財政部的拿北京的錢啦而且用存款部的錢然後你去取得民營企業的經營權這個東西外界聲音很大聲耶就是說對於國庫要金小小的一個國庫要金它的資本也不高資產也不高為什麼你介入這麼大的力量買了22% |
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那你再次回答我說你有什麼實力就用新時代的權力很好但是外界還是不斷質疑你你這次買的只是為特定的一個集團來互換來幫他互換這樣一件事情你要不要回應一下跟委員報告我們翻供股供股試驗投資相關的 |
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轉投資相關的事業那是他們本於自己的一個自己公司治理以及這個相關的規範來做那麼他們目前來說國票金裡面有第一銀行跟核庫銀行都有派一名董事還有一個推薦一個獨立董事那麼都會請這些董事代表們來忠實的執行職務以及盡善良管理人的義務那至於買進以後呢後續再 |
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股東在今年的五月會進行所謂的股東大會股東會然後做進行的改選那當然這15席的部分都是經過國票經的董事會決議通過的那後續當然根據這個相關的股權股權的實力來做相關的提名 |
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五月底你們會 財政部會派人當國務卿 董事長跟總經理 我這句話對不對我想這個目前來說都還沒有確定嘛因為股東會都還沒有開 相關的董事的學者出來都還沒有確定實力原則當然既然持股當然就是按照實力原則進行嘛其實我們希望因為國營事業我們希望你做個典範 |
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所有群跟精英群可以分開的 |
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找專業經理人去當董事長專業經理人當總經理 單獨你們派單獨你們派得高望重啦 經驗豐富的我覺得都是你們去認真思考的因為你不斷簽掉實力原則我們沒有變話說但是董事長總經理的任命我們希望不要政治任命最後一點我們在這個文化通過喔台土書來 要看下一頁台土書 |
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我們跟福利我們希望比照飯公股結果你根本回憶是打槍耶部長啊你在這裡我們朝野三黨大家牽制結果你是打槍耶就是有關於飯公股我們的台土書跟飯公股的火石灰生力補助獎金員工信託福利信託等福利我們希望提高競爭力跟 |
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范國古一樣比如說台土書跟趙鋒一樣結果你在這裡都說好咧給我回文都說不好咧怎麼可以這樣子部長委員我們沒有說不好啊第一個就是生育補助費的部分十萬元十萬元是那記得講十萬元那全國的 |
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第二個就是有關伙食費還有績效獎金員工酬勞以及辦理員工信託這個部分我們已經都呈報行政院那目前在人總這邊在做作業當中與其不許一下人總說不好我現在就跟你講因為你這裡就推給人總人總說不好那我們還是持續的在工作當中我們三黨 |
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立委共識提出來的案子我們希望你認真去推 好不好好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝戴委員接下來請第三位郭國文委員質詢謝謝主席 有請財政部長請財政部莊部長 |
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委員好部長好那個之前呢這個新聞媒體曝光延長小店家使用電子資會到117年年底這個其實是沒有爭議但爭議的部分呢是這個魔鬼藏在細節裡你們在這個當中呢又把這個89年以來的這個20萬以上的小吃店呢全數這個開發票的這個部分呢予以刪除的部分這個引起社會的恐慌跟爭議第一個呢就是說 |
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李當啊 你現在的方式是用勸這個輔導的方式來進行結果呢 你突然之間呢就要把他扼殺掉引起諸多恐慌那後來你們講說這七萬多家單位大概五千三百家會影響不大其實這個還是會產生這個所謂的連鎖效應啊不過部長 |
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我真的奉勸你喔真的不要用這一種偷雞摸狗的方式你要光明正大的手段嘛現在光明正大手段是用輔導的方式啊那你突然之間會造成恐慌之外一來啊 這麼特殊的小吃店本來當初你們會有這個89年的理由就有它的特殊性嘛 |
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不方便嘛當忙的時候非常的忙嘛對不對如果真的你們抽查查到的時候他還是要繳啊不是嗎這既有機制在運作你就突然用這種方式其實非常的不正當啊部長你應該考慮一下把這個所謂廢除的部分恢復到現狀還是用輔導的方式有沒有可能部長 |
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我想我們再一次的說明第一個對於這個大眾的消費飲食店這樣的有什麼湯湯水水的店那20他的每個月的平均的銷售在20萬以下的仍然是不需要開發票後面銷售1%來計算這個部分並沒有改變 |
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是 但是20萬以上的啊20萬元以上的部分呢我們為了輔導然後也希望導入行動支付以及配合衛福部裡面就是說但是你要輔導你剛剛說要輔導就是要輔導而不是一直命令就把它廢除掉嘛沒有沒有 是輔導他們然後在這一段時間三年裡面我們希望朝向這樣的方式做到118年以後就要重新全部強制一定要開了到時候我們在屆期之前會再看執行的一些情形 |
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所以還有可能收回的空間嘛對 但執行到 因為不會斷然處理嘛對 不會斷然處理部長你今天在委員會提的你要記得簽署喔 不會斷然處理不然一年之後我們再檢討一下是不是要一年之後我們回到這個機制的評估一下可不可以 |
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在117年12月才借滿啊對 你到117年大家借滿的時候 機率不會那麼久大家每天都擔心要死啊 對不對好的 是是是都可以一年之後嘛 好不好一年之後我們再來再分析好 我們來處理一下面對這個問題嘛我想這個部分也謝謝烏鑾就恢復到現狀就可能性 好不好是 好 謝謝烏鑾讓我們再繼續說明那小規模的營業人的部分你剛剛提到20萬以下不用 |
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你記不記得我們最近有提到一個免稅額的部分的調整對店家免稅額就是這10萬從以前的8萬的免稅額調到10萬嘛這經過18年嘛對不對營業稅的起徵點對就是有徵額嘛從8到10嘛這經過18年的這個調2萬就是等於調了25%嘛一樣的道理小規模營業人的部分20萬免開發票經過40年 |
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連動都沒有動如果依照這個比例的話他最起碼要調到25啦那如果依照年限的話就要更高啦所以我跟部長提醒一下你這個打開這個潘朵拉的核詞大家都一起討論這個問題啦我本席就在慎重要求你這個你要好好檢討一下不然本席就要提案啦那然後這個一個18年的可以調為什麼40年沒有動沒有道理嘛你要不要講一下 |
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對於這個民眾消費收取發票其實已經民眾都已經相當的一個習慣了那這個部分另外發票的部分事實上第一個總是有一些特殊性嘛也可以讓他們對講那這個部分我覺得要做綜合一個考量二十萬這個部分我們是希望慢慢朝向開發票 |
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就是說20萬以下免開發票20萬以上我們導入行動支付跟多元的方式來來做計帳的話還沒有到那個階段的時候你要依照現狀來處理嘛不然你的8萬就不會變10萬了嘛不是嗎這個本協會另外提案啦我只是慎重提醒你啦要面對這個問題啊另外一個部分齁那個部長 |
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那個最近大概在媒體討論最多的當然是這一個那個我們跳過去國票金那個國票金的問題喔國票金的問題喔從8%到22% |
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這個每一趴的成本啦 平均估計起來大概是六億啦那大概少說相關的公股的銀行或所屬的這個公益事業單位至少砸了六十幾億以上下去啦砸了六十幾億當中當然你還可以去做一些合縱連橫你的影響力可能可以擴大上一次本席就有就教於您的部分你就最主要讓他能夠穩健經營嘛 對不對 |
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那未來的發展型態是就地健全化或者將來跟公股組一個另一種新的一個所謂的清空當初你有提到這一個部分但是你說沒有預測那現在問題來了現在外界在質疑的是第一點到底公股介入搬了這麼多屬於納稅的錢你是要採取公股主導還是要配合特定的民股請你回答 |
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跟委員報告沒有配合特定的民股這是確定的第二個就是股東會是在5月29號會操控我們會根據實力原則移民跟處理你剛才也回答了所謂的實力原則嘛如果實力原則的話那我就說啦一般的民股如果10%他現在董事會從13席變成15席如果10%的話挺多就是1.5席不是嗎 |
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那為什麼說有一些人已經分到三席了那另一邊也已經分到三席了如果三個民股10%都可以分到三席有三股民股分到三席的話那就不是占掉九席了嗎那公股剩六席這有道理嗎所以說你說依照比例原則是一個嘛所以說你現在不會配合所謂的特定民股的話那是不是意味著公股會主打嘛不然你介入幹嘛 |
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你大費周章幹嘛你就是因為這一個最小的金控銀行金控集團不斷的發生事端然後每每浮上版面造成社會的這種負面的印象所以公股才要藉由公股的力量想要進入整頓嘛不是嗎你當初就這樣回答本席的啊如果要這樣子的話那你當然要公股主導不是嗎 |
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我想對於委員這個方向我們是了解然後也會基於這個投資效率最大化會朝公股主導公股主導之後呢公股主導之後就是後面的部分是不是回到公司治理嗎要回到公司治理如果要回到公司治理的話那所謂的組織編制的模式就要回到健全化健全化不是嗎 |
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不會有所謂的董事長副董事長然後善權然後把持公司營運的方向該增資的時候不增資不會有這種現象產生嗎要把公司治理要導入正軌所以說現在那我們就對外澄清真的財政部會介入這一次國票金的案件當中只有幾個原則第一個公股主導第二個 |
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這個所謂的公私治理符合公私治理就這兩個原則嘛對不對部長我想對於所謂的我們掌握的一個實力當然我們會在股東會的改選的時候會做最大的一個優勢然後來做一個實力原則來展現那如果我們能夠我們取得主導權我們當然要讓公私治理走入正軌跟穩健經營 |
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對啊 其實你講的內容跟我的話語不一樣但是原則上是相同啦就是公股主導然後朝向公司治理進行我想這個部分的態度才是整個政府介入一個正當的理由否則你如果配合特定的民股毫無正當性可言 |
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接下來本席要跟你探討一下這個有關於長照基金跟住宅基金的部分因為你要知道台灣的長照基金從馬政府時代的1.0到2.0到現在3.0從早期的用保險的方式到現在用社會福利的方式金額已經高達1153億 |
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那之所以他會有這麼多錢的話就來自於房地合一稅 遺產稅 贈餘稅 菸酒稅還有菸品健康福利捐等等的指定財源但是這些指定財源當中有一個真的很不合理就是說呢 你明明看到廠商 |
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基金收入有90%是來自指定稅人可是我們住宅基金當然部分只要靠撥補補助只有一百億的部分是來自於房地合一稅這個部分本期當初就從當初100%的房地合一稅全部給長照經過我們最近的一個討論對話之後現階段的話住宅的分費到給社會住宅已經變成20%了 |
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但是依照目前你們房地合一稅的目標來說今年度的話是1163億其實你如果把比例上做一個調整分配的話我現在要說長照相對的國家資源的配置很多可是社會住宅的部分卻嗷嗷待哺顯然不過甚至會因此而重新檢討這個社會住宅的政策就是因為錢 |
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那現在呢 這種情況下部長 本席要跟你提醒了應該再把這個比例做個調整你只要到50%的部分你就有500多億可以撥到這個住宅基金你就可以解決目前當前很重要政府政策的社會政策的財源問題部長 有沒有慎重考慮一下 |
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跟委員報告房地合一稅收來以後呢要按照財化法的規定分配到地方政府的部分先分配出去剩下的餘額再根據他的分配辦法然後來行政院決定是要怎麼樣的分配那目前來說如同委員說在114年的時候我們20%到住宅基金80%分配到長照基金那在這一次要不要再做調整因為這個分配辦法裡面他只有 |
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他只有講兩項而已啦沒有講比例嘛權利就在於你啦他必然是房地合一稅他用在住宅才比較合理嘛我們會財政部會國庫署會商組總還有衛福部跟內政部會討論以後討論以後跟需求一半一半嘛這算很公平嘛 |
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方解決社會部長問題也有挹注到長照制度去嘛好不好 部長好 請你重新檢討一下謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝郭委員下一位請李燕秀委員質詢我是不是可以邀請莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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委員好部長早安剛才委員們大家都還是非常關心餐飲業到底要不要免除開統一發票是不是確定要廢除這件事情大家都非常關心因為這個政策未來有可能影響至少7萬家的商家後來你們新聞稿發布之後財政部立即又做了一個新聞稿的解釋 |
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那包括民進黨也都特別轉發財政部相關的新聞稿可見這件事情民眾非常關心各政黨也都聽到所有商家的意見不只商家面對通膨的現在未來有沒有可能 |
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這些免開統一發票未來都要開立然後後來這些又再加上原物料的漲的關係瓦斯可能也會漲原物料都在漲工資也在漲最後都轉嫁到所有消費者身上最後 |
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帶進接下來什麼餐飲業啦豆漿店啦水果行等等會不會全部都漲這個是我們在這段時間我們在第一線接受到很多民眾跟商家的陳情也就是為什麼各政黨今天很多委員都關注這個議題那你們心寒是未來大眾化的餐飲業要從 |
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免開統一發票當中移除也就是說從你的政策未來從118年起每月超過20萬的便當店、豆漿店跟冰品未來都需要開統一發票我剛才我有聽到你回應郭國榮委員說你要有一年再討論那我想確定一下就是說這個政策不一定要上路還是你還在思考還在想 |
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委員我想還是做一個詳細說明第一個在對於這些小大動畫消費我等一下會跟你探討我只想知道你剛才的回應對不起我剛剛因為比較吵我沒有聽得很清楚你剛才的回應是說這個政策要暫緩你要再重新收集大家的意見你剛才我聽到是有一個一年的時間是不是這樣子 |
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第二個118年是不是要生效或者是說你要等這一年收集完之後你連118年都要暫緩我先確定大原則我再跟你討論實質的內容好那我想在我們上一次新聞稿說很清楚我們會在這個緩衝期就是三年的緩衝期緩衝期是到117年的12月31號緩衝期建滿之前我們會 |
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再做通盤的檢討 然後再來做審慎的評估所以也就是說你118年審慎評估 你有可能上路 你有可能不上路是這樣嗎 |
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當然我們還會看這一段時間實施的成效我跟委員報告沒關係我只想先問因為媒體跟民眾需要知道結論就是說大家的反應所以你還要重新再收集大家的意見所以118年到底會不會按照原來新的韓式上路你現在還不確定 |
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為什麼這件事情引起這麼大的反應我們來看一下數據我們當時月收20萬的大眾化的餐飲業免收統一發票查定課稅是1%免開統一發票但是我們都知道這幾年從89年到現在115年這麼多年二三十年過去了 |
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月收25萬的便當 我們重新試算它的稅率從1%變暴增到稅金變增加到5%以前每個月的租稅金是2500塊未來會增加5倍到12500塊 |
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這個部分看起來好像一萬兩千五百塊不多但是對於現在什麼都在漲原物料也在漲 瓦斯也在漲請一個洗碗洗菜的員工可能從過去六千九百塊過去民國七十九年那時候月薪只有六千九百塊現在漲到洗碗工家洗菜的後面那個窯菜的 |
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四萬塊都還不一定請得到人部長我們現在是缺公司各行各業都請不到人四萬塊還不見得有人要做所以我要凸顯的問題就是說我們更擔心就是說稅金從1%漲到5%那你要推動的電子師傅手續費會有手續費啊手續費會增加2%到3%這都是未來這些營業商店的成本 |
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所以在我們現在餐飲業它規模沒有增加民眾實質購買力也沒有增加它的客源這個豆漿店在這邊它其實固定每天譬如說就是100個人它也並沒有因為這幾年什麼增加所以它客人增加很多它可能營業額有增加但是營業額有增加是因為它的成本都增加原物料上漲了 |
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員工的薪水也增加了你現在要增加這些稅金包括1%漲到5%然後還有電子支付2%到3%的手續費但是在規模沒有增加實時購買力也沒有增加狀況之下我們更擔心的是未來這些成本 |
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就是強制的納入這個要開發票的時候未來這些成本都會轉嫁到消費者身上這是我第一點部長我要提醒您的地方我這樣講您應該聽得懂那我們當時免開統一發票是民國75年現在是115年當時的背景跟現在的背景其實都已經不一樣當時會訂20萬現在是不是還訂20萬剛才有其他委員質詢了 |
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所以這個也是我建議在這一段時間您在收集意見的時候要再重新思考75年的基本工資才6900塊現在是27470塊漲了347倍過去一個便當在民國75年的時候50顆現在120塊 |
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好多便當都吃不到 君悅便當一個要180我們附近這幾個便當可能稍微好一點點 可能都不止120部長我講的你也聽得懂所以整整40年我們把免開統一發票的門檻都凍結在20萬 一毛都沒有凍再加上食材 租金 我剛剛沒有提到房子的租金是這幾年 |
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漲最多的外食族的費用跟租金這幾年漲最多的所以財政部用40年前的標準來檢視現在基層的小店家是不是合理我覺得部長應該在這三個月之內這一年之內我希望這個議題要好好去思考特別是臺灣部今年1月份參酌消費者的物價指數上漲25%調高了營業稅的起徵點那從每個月5萬塊調整到10萬塊 |
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所以財政部可以用CPI調整稅增的起徵點為什麼不能用同樣的邏輯我們免開統一發表的門檻也可以再一次的調整更何況我們當時為什麼會訂20萬我們覺得基增成本 |
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一個我們基深成本人力現在我們人力公務員人力也不多為了區區多收幾千塊我們要再多派一個稅務員去查你是不是有開你是不是在20萬以上還以下你有沒有照著我去開發票這個照理說是不太符合我們現在我們現在的這個基深經濟原則當時就有一個基深經濟原則所以我們才設立20萬的免開統一發票 |
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你現在為了這多增加的幾千塊要多增加這些收入源再去查稅我覺得這個是會在稅基上的損失層屏的原則我覺得這一點也應該要再去思考所以針對這兩點我希望要至少去思考是不是可以調高30萬到40萬的費用我就說免開統一發表是不是可以調高到30萬到40萬至於多少 |
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授權你們去做專業更進一步的判斷這是我希望你們在這一年就可以去思考的地方那另外就是我們推動一個電子發票是不是會淪為秋後算帳的陷阱因為我們這一次導入了未來要做行動支付可以免收1%的稅率但是依據稅捐基金法第21條規定稅務的核課時間是5年 |
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所以比如說118年你上路之後發現其實它是超過20假設你們是改30萬好了是超過30萬但是21條是合克期間是5年所以你們可以追回去 |
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所以沒關係 我舉一個具體的例子比如說一家便當店過去幾年國稅局查定的營業額每個月是25萬現在他乖乖的配合國家政策導入電子支付後來經由數據一跑發現事實上他每個月的營業額是高達40萬 |
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國稅局所有的頭人會不會拿這40萬電子支付真實數據回過頭去追溯他過去五年會不會是都少報了有沒有這個合理的懷疑去找他來來來來來你來說說你今年就超過40萬來來來你去年前年是不是這樣子 |
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部長我擔心的是為什麼這一次會有這麼多商家恐懼消費者也有恐懼轉嫁所以這一次是商家跟消費者都恐懼我提醒你我聽到這樣子的聲音你不用跟我否認你只要在這段時間明確的告訴大家新法規經過你們你們現在自己執政新法規經過你 |
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很成熟的思考很周延的思考你決定上路我也都尊重但是我覺得要有更完整的思考再來去上路我怕我擔心你是政策遭令細改這個對民眾來說對消費者對店家來說我覺得都是影響損失非常的大更會影響後續的通膨以上謝謝委員我想第一個不會有所謂的秋後送獎第二個我們也許應該只有做更詳細的更明白的一個說明謝謝委員謝謝 |
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下一位請賴慧雲委員質詢謝謝 那個有請那個台灣銀行董事長還有部長請莊部長跟林董事長 |
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跟主席報告為什麼會遲到因為那個媒體一直叫我說是不是可以問一下賈永傑那個董事長那個一些議題啦那我是跟他們講說那個賈永傑董事長的議題我沒有準備不過我相信啦我相信他應該是對台北市的市長的參選 |
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你看從校生裡頭我們就可以知道了知道答案好謝謝那個董事長董事長我想在去年12月31號那個你的記者會裡頭你有特別特別宣布了就是說你跟八家公那個銀行那就是完成了就是我們 |
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這個貴金屬的RWA的代幣化的一個研究那這一個其實我想要跟你致敬因為這一個議題你們做了投入的非常多的一個研究那也對於就是這個 |
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RWA的一個貴金屬的一個發展其實你把那個關鍵的問題點出來了從實證到落地這個是非常重要的一步可是從這個問題裡頭我們也發現金管會也在做這樣的一個研究這個是不是有一點跟他PK還是說你做的會比金管會還來得好是不是說明一下謝謝委員的鼓勵那確實是我們因為台灣銀行是 |
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國內唯一有銷售實體黃金的銀行所以我們認為整個業務雖然是實體的交易但是所有的銀行如果賣黃金存摺客戶如果需要換取實體黃金的時候都必須要經過非常繁瑣的程序所以我們跟這八家銀行聯合起來看看是不是可以 |
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做一個實體資產的待遇化就是RWA那讓大家未來客戶呢他要換取這個實體黃金的時候呢他可以透過這樣的一個機制所以我們就跟八家銀行一起做了一個觀念的驗證那這個觀念的驗證呢在去年已經完成了所以今年呢就我們有跟很多的一些系統的建制廠商啊還有這個 |
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那你覺得你跟金管會的RWA你們的差異性在哪裡?等一下你一併的回答我 |
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還有就是說這一個RWA你的就是議題上我們看到了就是你是在這個交割跟清算末端的一個開花倒是全團實體資產的一個變成代幣化這個我沒有看到你有提到這個 |
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這一段這一段就是說我們也知道說你自行想要那個自行開發相關的一個系統那還有是委外還是從國外找還是找那個本土的業者那一併回答 |
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好謝謝委員目前我們都是本土的業者一起來做一些演繹就剛剛提到了譬如說一些區塊鏈的一些開發的廠商等等都是我們本體的業者那至於呢我們是不是跟金管會有什麼PK當然不是金管會是我們的監理機關他所有定下的法規我們都要遵循所以呢我們這個整個 |
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整個RWA的一個開發呢因為是屬於這個虛擬資產的部分所以呢也是要遵循經管會所定的相關的規則那麼目前這個虛擬資產的一些相關的一些法規呢我不知道目前在哪一個階段應該已經是不是已經在立法院了如果這個法規一旦通過的話呢我們就依據相關法規的一些相關的規範在它的規範的架構下來進行 |
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好那還是我再回到一個相同的議題前端你目前就是在這個實體資產的一個代幣化這一段你進行到什麼樣的一個階段 |
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目前我們就是跟八家跟我們一起聯合因為這八家不是飯工股的而已還包括一些民營的包括玉山還有中信銀行等等都在內那我們有成立一個小組那麼另外也就是跟其他的相關的關聯的業者做一個就是有定期的一些做一些討論跟研發好 董事長你就是這一個聯盟的盟主那你有承諾大家就是說現在我們大家都聽到了你一定就是用本土的業者對 |
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對 這個本土的業者本來就是有相當相當的必須要萬一有重要的狀況發生的時候本土業者才可以非常實際的來支援我們是好 謝謝謝謝董事長好 謝謝委員指教謝謝好 部長我想在針對的就是一個少子化的一個議題衍生出來就是我們整個董事長你請回 |
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部長從2020以來我們整體的稅收其實我們逐步的在成長但是在這個當中有一個非常令人必須要去注意到的一個情況就是我們的中手稅還有正是那個成長的那個速度是緩慢的其實這個很清楚我們就知道這是少子化帶來稅收的一個影響如果我們從2025年全國那個護稅時增的那個進而出步的一個統計 |
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我國的稅收是兩兆七千三百六十二億元相較2024年我們增加了465億但是卻短徵了483億那部長我要請教你就是說你怎麼樣去推估稅收的預算數呢你是依據什麼 |
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跟委員報告對於稅收的預算的預算書怎麼樣去推估我們有一個專案小組然後邀請了專家學者以及機關像央行還有主機總處還有國發會等等一起來我們來討論而不按照各個稅務會影響每個稅收的一些因子都 |
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納入去討論跟委員報告那像委員報告的有關2025年的一個稅收其實大概都達到99.6%不管是全國是達到預算數的99.6%而中央是達成99.1%那比預算數短收的是251億在中央的部分那跟委員報告這其中有一個原因就是因為 |
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就2025年就是因為美國的一個對等關稅的措施實施所以我們對於盈利事業因為在這段時間受到衝擊的話它可以申請延期跟分期繳納銀索稅所以這個部分大概我們會延後取得大概有五百多億所以整體來說跟預算數幾乎是可以達成如果沒有這個因素影響的話事實上是可以達成我們的預算數而且是百分之百大家都在百分之一以內的一個變動 |
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那我再請教你一個關鍵的議題你有沒有預期今年我們的民眾會大幅的調升還是因為大家在股市裡頭賺了更多然後你會收到更多的一個股市投資人的守得稅是不是這樣子一個看法其實本席看到的是說這個少子化少子化的一個遞減然後中守稅的稅基其實這個結構面正在縮小 |
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那我們從國發會發佈的一個2024年發佈的一個資料在2070年它預計就是這個人口比例會到2028年會低於三分之二那勞動力的人口的一個減少最直接也影響到了就是你中手稅的一個萎縮那面對最直接中手稅的稅基的一個減少的問題你是不是有開始 |
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就是開始研究因為你中手稅的一個減少你勢必你就是拿到今天的一個議題你的遺損稅你的贈與稅是不是也會跟著調整啊開始研究了沒有是謝謝委員的指教那對於因為人口結構的一個改變對稅收的影響 |
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本部已經委外做一個研究這個部分已經在做研究當中跟委員報告那另外呢就是部長倒是我要請教你這一個研究進行了多久這個研究應該是今年多吧到今年所以目前還在研究當中還沒有出來研究報表還沒有出來你這一個掃指化影響到這個中手稅還有證語稅還有就是整個遺產稅的這個稅基的一個結構面你已經開始研究了多久這一個計畫進行了多久 |
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我們是從去年九月開始委外到今年結束這樣它是不是一個計畫是一個計畫這個計畫的規模有多大規模是說經費嗎還是經費一共大概九十 九十餘萬元這樣這麼少 |
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我們的預算編列少子化少子化是目前就是會影響你整個稅基任何的一個稅很大的一個一個很嚴重的一個最主要的原因那你一個規模這麼小的一個計劃案 |
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這個我們會期待他會研究出什麼我們委託的專家學者他基本上很強所以說出來的結果都是一定是最好的最精準的我們是委託那個政大財政學系的主任陳國良陳教授去他有一個研究團隊 |
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所以我要看你這個計畫好不好 部長 |
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請把這個計畫我知道委員認為應該要更重視這樣的一個議題所以部分這個因為受到預算的一個限制我們副業屬錢還不夠還要用部裡面的錢去挪用一些來做這個研究計畫那我們想等研究報告出來我們在過程當中會讓研究團隊們能夠更周全的去做思考各種因素然後看研究報告出來以後未來我們在估算預算的時候把這個報告 |
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有請部長請財政部莊部長 |
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部長 今天本席要為台灣171萬家的中小企業 吶喊出他們的夢魘每每遇到查稅啊 到底這個查這個稅呢到底是真的叫做稅務協談呢 還是黑箱喊價呢 |
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好 我就從這四個面向第一個 爭議的法條誰給了稅務員看圖說故事的權利第二個 他們濫權的執行是將推計課稅淪為強迫買單的首選的事實第三個 這個利益結構我的查稅的績效要跟績效獎金 激勵獎金掛鉤你們根本無視於在108年監察院給你們的糾正最後本行有一個具體的要求 |
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好我們講到稅務員的上方保健給了他主觀認定取代了客觀的證據在這個上方保健雖然這個法規層級實在是不怎麼高稅捐基增機關稅務案件協談作業要點第二條第一項第一款在這個審查階段就課稅事實之認定 |
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或證據之採認就有協談之必要好 什麼叫做課稅事實的認定誰可以認定標準在哪裡哇 這純粹就是我們稅務人員的主觀認定啊他講的就是就是聖旨啦所以這種模糊的規定 |
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造成他的行政便利而給我們稅務員如此大的無限空間想像的主觀意識空間直接就是金額協商那我們就舉例警察可不可以亂開要開一個超速就算這個人真的超速警察可不可以就直接攔下來不好意思 |
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他如果就是超數來講他還必須有測數據具體的證據我才可以給你開超數的單子沒有測數據的數字證明就算他真的超數了你也不能憑感覺可是我們稅務人查稅主觀喊價我們常常會有幾種說法你這個單價偏低喔毛利率這個比同業低喔類似這樣的說法或者我講幾個 |
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這個很實際很血淋的他就會說啦你這個比同業跟同業比主觀認定你這跟同業比啊這個毛利率怎麼那麼低啊單位售價低啊你要不要自動調整一下要把這個費用自己自動調整一下否則我就查你的金流喔否則我就來核對你銀行存款 |
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或者另外一種收入源的說法這個按照成本啦其實都是按財政部的這個頒布的標準你們財政部對各行各業都有這個原物料的耗損準則來剔除成本好沒有錯你有這個標準可是每一家行業每一個產業每一家公司它還是有實質的即使有憑證有金流而且呢有這個相關的這個 |
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這個帳本 你們都不採 你說不行 我們一定要按照這個我們財政部啊 不關的標準你們採 就直接把他們的這個 把他們的成本就踢出了所以呢 而且呢 忽略了實質成本的投入 沒有 有所得才課稅啊 |
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那沒所得呢 你就不好意思我們虧文就叫你虛贏實虧他就會講幾個理由哎呀 我為什麼不採用你的帳本呢因為你的會計制度不健全啦你的內部控制不嚴密啦你的成本表當不齊全啦 |
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所以不能按照你帳宅的成本來剔除可是每家的成本都產生了那你們這個稅務員就否定了人家的帳冊帳戶的真實性而且自己有上班保健不好意思我現在執法是依照盈利事業所得稅查核準則第50%來執行的 |
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哇 第三個 你聽起來一定也 我現在講的每一個 都是我血淋淋171家的這個中小企業的心聲他說啊 這個去年啊 跟去年比 你今天的費用怎麼多這麼多啊你營業額沒多欸 那你要不要調整一下相關的費用或者呢 我就要來查你的金流 來查理一下你的銀行存款 |
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重則都是這樣的然後呢就直接否定企業合法帳簿的憑證主觀經驗砍價要求啟動的協談好這種啊跟違反了納稅者保護的這個權利保護法第14條規定推計課稅我推計課稅是最後的手段現在變成什麼稅務員懶惰查證強迫企業買單的首選武器這會有三個風險第一個認定有問題就直接跳成可以談金額 |
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第三個 第二個無法確實的核算就可以啟動協談第三個 協談本來是一個程序的輔助最後卻取代了正式調查跟這個核定的程序好 哇 你看基於這樣子成功 成效斐然啊 |
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111年到114年我就舉這三四年就好全國國稅局的協談案件2753件納稅人多繳了多少稅呢171億3445萬貢獻了我們超徵的稅額 |
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所以協談到底是為了釐清事實還是已經變成了證據跟金額尚未具備之下的行政喊價工具好我們來看國稅局查稅的黑幕中小企業的控訴稅務員是以不正當的手段搶索課稅自白協談的現況與手段你金額較大的我就正式的說協談作業要點的協談喔在筆錄上你要簽名喔 |
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那如果不是的 金額較中小的全部叫做黑箱手段直接就按照本席剛才講的這三種說法這三種說法之後 你就要自己同意增加營業收入減少營業成本及費用然後自己虛增營利事業所得課稅這三個你自己同意書自白 |
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我自己做這三項的調整因為剛才利於剛才本席所講的這三個理由我同業之間毛利率單價低啦自動調整啦或者就給你威脅恐嚇啊利誘啊你這個帳本你的會計制度不健全內控不嚴密啊成本的表當不齊全啊所以呢你這些帳務的增持其實不行的或者你去年的費用比較多啊營業額今年怎麼沒增加呢都用這些理由 |
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逼迫他簽下這三個同意自白好那更慘的是如果我這家企業真的虧損了就對於確實虧損的有所有人也還是威脅利誘你不得不簽下同意書把所有的虧損的額度呢全部遞走造成日後不能合法行使盈虧平損點的抵檢稅我就舉個例子 |
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假中小企業遭遇我申報虧損一千萬我就被迫簽署了這個同意書自白調整之後變成我不用虧損了我還要多繳什麼百分之二十的營利事業所得稅我還要多繳兩百萬虧損了我不能提列 |
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然後之後我要再負擔200萬的這個盈利事業所得稅這個就是每一家中小企業每年申報盈利事業所得稅的時候在國稅局查核的時候幾乎每一家都在稅務員的威脅利誘下簽下了同意書自白同意了什麼好啦我就被調高啦我來虛徵盈利事業所得稅 |
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好再來我們這樣的績效掛鉤啊獲利不當超額臆測的源頭為什麼稅務員能夠超額臆測因為你的績效掛鉤你的獲利啊我查稅查得更用力的我的績效獎金就多啊好所以呢我們從這張圖這個 |
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這個稅務員的超額議策達成了高額的協談金我的考核評定績效就優我就取得了機關領取的獎勵金最後呢這個獎勵金不是直接給我個人喔我換湯不換藥 |
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我直接再透過給機關 再給我個人這些對中小企業獲利的不當意策 實質就成了稅務援取的獎金的基礎好 監察院也名利糾舉 財政部你卻換皮續發2018年監察院糾舉你什麼 直接講你的稅務獎勵金發放 欠缺合理性跟公正性 |
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過去都直接給個人現在你們包裝九大發放的理由這九項當中第一項就是基深業務考核最後我們就給了這個機關再分配給個人核心邏輯根本沒變依然是以績效表現作為獎勵的分配基礎 |
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好 你的預算持續存在 制度就會持續運作你看這從107年到114年 4年 這8年你每年編列多少稅務獎金都是1.3億 厚 這穩了 水平那1.3億的稅務獎勵金規模從來沒有消失過或減少 |
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稅務獎勵金就必須與稅務的這個差距脫鉤你不能說一面的宣稱改正一分面保留績效的分配邏輯你這個哪有回應我們的監察院的這個糾舉好我具體建議不好意思主席我具體建議這三個你要馬上在一個月內完成三大結構性的修正 |
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目標重置證據優先斬斷誘因第一個目標重置查稅的機關由營業稅來著手第二個證據協談不能取代具體證據有具體證據你才能協談你斬斷你的誘因廢除績效獎金制的掛鉤建立公平 |
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建立這個公平透明重證據的現代稅制公平透明重證據的現代稅制好這三個當中我在明詳說你查稅的目標的重置應該是查營業稅而不是去查營業所得稅你要查你的稅源啊 |
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你的稅源逃漏稅了你就是從這邊去增加哪裡誰逃漏稅啊所以你的營業營所稅的結算你的焦點已經錯置了你用主觀抑制與無謂的喊價造成了這個稅務員如此大的一個權利 |
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所以你應該去追這個營業稅以開立發票誰漏開發票等所以查核心應該是說查誰漏開發票的我會在末端的營所稅來做文章時間到了你如果還要質詢我我下一次再排財前部再讓你質詢好我再講這個證據優先拒絕主觀臆測我這邊具體建議你要修改你的法規稅捐基深機關稅務案件協調作業要點的第二條第一項的第一款 |
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特別要強調有掌握課稅證據的但難確定所逃漏稅額者你才可以啟動這個協商課稅最後 斬斷誘因在你刪除獎勵金當中的積增業務考 講清楚喔 |
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我沒有要刪你的獎勵金你還是保留 還是可以給稅務人員但是裡面的業務 集合業務的考核你拿掉了你要具體刪除財政部核發稅務獎勵金作業要點的第七條第二項這個部分稅捐 基金 機關 集合業務考核 |
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這不是本來就是稅務員的的工作嗎怎麼會變成你的獎勵呢他的業務本合就是這樣是應該要掛乎你的你的考核你的甲乙丙丁的那個考核而不是在你用你的激勵獎金才對所以在這邊我有稅務 |
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稽查與獎勵金徹底的剝割才能給台灣170億萬家的中小企業一個公平合法的營商環境終結黑箱寒假還給170億萬家的中小企業公平的稅制限期一個月內提出修正報告可以嗎 |
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請同仁互相尊重遵守主席規定的事情 |
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有請莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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委員好部長好台灣民眾黨非常關心年輕人的居住正義問題政府推出了新清安政策兩年多來我們看到截至到今年二月核貸金額到15.5萬金額也達到1.2兆元申請是相當踴躍的但是我昨天讀了業務報告之後發現到說新清安 |
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貸款的這個違規戶數呢 件數呢不少截至到目前為止呢 得到說有1.136件呢他收為了2.3億元 則是利息補貼讓人不僅懷疑說呢這個政策到底是在圖利投資客呢或者是可能有件商 還是在幫助年輕人那因此再詢問說是不是為後來的這些其餘的十次萬物能保證都符合資格呢 |
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那這些部分是不是應該再去加速來查核尤其是新的2.0可能在8月最後要上路請部長回應 |
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好 謝謝委員 新清安他當時的一個政策目的就是協助本人配偶以及未成年子女都沒有房置住房屋的人去購買他第一間房子那因此呢 他的對象就是這些人那這個過程當中呢 因為央行的升息所以給予相關的利息補貼來減輕他們購屋的負擔查核 查核 |
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好跟委員報告在執行過程當中呢我們也都去滾動的檢討比如說您剛剛提到就是說他有這個出租啦買來不自己住出租或者是說用冒用人頭來買的我們的公股銀行都非常努力而且透過政府相關資訊的一個聯繫去做查核所以持續在做查核持續在做查核 |
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持續再做查核對 只要能夠發現有這種情況就會做相關的處理第一個 追收所願歷刑補貼第二個 他的貸款條件也必須要重新調整好 我們就繼續往下看因為你現在沒有辦法去承諾他保證說14萬戶應該還是會有問題嘛 對不對 |
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我們持續在做 不是用保證來保證的是要我們持續的去檢核也告訴這些成構的人不要去違反規定好 那這樣子我們現在問了因為你發現說既有問題嘛那請問一下財政部現在發生的這些問題就是 您再說一下你說你新青安既有問題才能改革2.0版嘛 對不對那這既有的問題您在 |
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說一遍我跟委員報告目前來說因為我們新青安貸款第一個就是說在年齡上其實是40歲以下佔73%50歲以下佔50%那大家就社會各界有意見認為說那年齡上要不要做限制第二個就是貸款的期限目前新青安最高是40年 |
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那雖然實務上執行大概是20年以下的是5%那21年到30年大概占了35%那31年到40年大概占59%那在核帶的年限要不要做調整還有寬限期雖然1到3年占了25%然後占5年的25%這個部分寬限期最長5年要不要做調整社會各界都有意見 |
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所以這一次我們對於新的借期以後7月30要借期以後後續要怎麼做我們會根據所謂的房地產市場的一個需求以及民眾的需求還有一個金融市場還有資金成本等等在做綜合考量 |
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那我們也邀請了相關部會來開會聽取他們的意見我們會擬定相關的方案報請行政院來做核定那你這個進度是不是在...那預計是不是大概可能六月份大概就可以出來了時間跟大家報告在七月底屆期之前我們一定會把新的方向跟社會大眾說明 |
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好 那謝謝你 因為你之前剛才已經講到有些的包括它的方向還有說實行的期程等等還有這樣的年紀這邊 我覺得這事實上有一個具體的方向 那就好當然請記住 親親愛愛要照顧到年輕人的居住正義的問題好 那就去下一個問題看到了我們看到呢 在 |
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青年的這部分再來看到的是他們對於有些的青年的金融文盲的問題是非常嚴重我們看到是說去年的一線報告呈現出來說有超過五成的青少年12到18歲他不太了解金融的服務業是什麼樣的內容所以算是金融文盲那23%他們曾經表示說過去在一年當中是被遇到的詐騙這樣的狀況 |
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那教育部他們108年課綱當中已經把這個理財的這個教育呢裡面也放入了那全台有65%的中學把金融素養列為校的課程來進行那我在想說財政部隊有沒有在提升的這個以透過公股營養因為他散佈在各地嘛這樣來加速他們就是對於提升青少年的金融素養這邊有沒有一些規劃 |
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跟委員報告金管會他也非常重視這一塊他是為了要推動金融知識的普及所以他訂了一個三年計劃那個計劃就叫做金融知識普及及工作第七期的推動計劃是從113年到115年我們的公股行庫當時當然是要遵照以及配合金管會的工作計劃在推動把有關的金融教育走入校園還有社區來辦理金融知識的宣導 |
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這個是我們在執行上重點在推動的好 所以就是有在進行了有在進行 我們會按照金管會的計畫來做推動是好 希望看到有後續的成果那我們繼續往下看的一個議題就是一個新聞當中出現到的是 |
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因為金管會同樣也是在呼應說淨零碳排這個趨勢那鼓勵銀行做綠色金融的行動那先行業者他已經組成了永續金融先行者聯盟在今年已經有了六家那其中六家裡面的兩家是 |
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公股銀行包括是第一金跟趙鳳晉那我想請第一金的邱董事長跟趙鳳晉的董事長上台那來詢問一下這部分你們到底做了些什麼樣的第一銀行 邱董事長 趙鳳晉 董事長時間就暫停一下他們現在還沒到嗎 |
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好 那請問一下邱董事長關於你們在綠色金融行動聯盟當中所做的有些哪些特別是我想要問的是在ESG的一個受信的標準上面你們標準是什麼還包括的是大概這個受信的數目是大概案件有多少件 案件比例是多少 |
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謝謝委員的詮詢那有關那個ESG的一個授信的標準當然是說授信的對象還有它的產業內容如果是屬於高污染的部分我們有一個限額的或者是有一些是拒絕承作的授信案件譬如說是燒煤的或者是對於社會觀感像博弈業你們應該有一些比較具體的ESG標準出來才對那部分是不是之後能夠再給我 |
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我們一定是按照國際的標準啦譬如說像燃煤電廠的話那個如果他需要資金我們就不做燃煤電廠了就其他的電廠的資金我們供如果他要貸款的話 |
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當然還有非常多的這個項目的好 那這個赤道原則也在裡面嘛 對不對對好 那我現在重要的問題是在於因為我們現在看到的是審計部的在113年的決算報告當中有提出你看國營金融企業的機構這部分它有配合在政府在做永續的部分但是在貸款案件已經成做廣泛的人貸提升尤其是它在審計部的報告當中特別還解說來說目前在公股銀行並沒有一套 |
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自己的就是沒有一套的這樣子的ESG的受信的這個標準讓全部來去推動這樣的趨勢那我想要請問的是莊部長這部分有沒有因為它審計部做出來的這樣的一個意見那有沒有提出說 |
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如何的是財政部要針對公股銀行去深化ESG的實踐力這邊部分有些措施還包括說未來的部分呢有沒有想要說要把共同的ESG授信標準把它提出來跟委員報告我想永續經營是全球的共識所以財政部也非常重視所以從110年開始我們已經有所謂的ESG倡議平台 |
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由第一金控來做這個共同邀同各所我們的公股銀行來共同推動那從有三階段分三階段的一個推動進行那目前已經進行到第三階段那是從115年到117年為止那我們包含了投融資的綠色永續相關產業的年度目標要成長 |
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以及在商品的審查流程當中要納入企業自主減量的計劃等等好那這份報告是不是有公告出來了董事長這份報告是不是有公告出來這個部分呢當然我們每一階段以及每一個階段都有成果出來也都定有KPI那第三階段也已經開始在進行好那是不是可以送到本辦來那我們想可以把實行的成果可以提供給您辦公室好那我們現在也知道在這個 |
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永續金融先行者聯盟當中目前只有兩家加入可是所有的公股銀行有八家嘛那請問一下其他的六家銀行是不是也未來在一兩年能夠加入到這個機會加入到不曉得你能不能回應一下因為你是這個主管機關這個是金管會是不是 是金管會主導所以是金管會那你沒辦法出資 |
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報告委員 因為其實每一家銀行我們都有永續報告書啦我們這個如果委員有需要的話我們可以提供給委員參考好 我們希望說配合的清管會在跟財政部一起來做讓我們永續是自己關股先行好嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝劉委員謝謝委員向委員報告第八位林思敏委員質詢完畢之後休息五分鐘現在請林思敏委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 請財政部莊部長請財政部莊部長部長好 關於小吃店開立發票這個政策剛才大家也問了很多本席請教部長對於小吃店要全面開立統一發票引發我們業者民眾極大的熱議 |
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7044.019 |
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財政部馬上就政策轉彎就髮夾彎在19日召開記者會說明原先宣布就是2029年起118年起要實施的全面大眾化的飲食店開立發票的政策要三年內緩衝期內收集各界意見借滿期待期滿前再通過 |
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再行通盤檢討與決議所以是不是在118年確定會上路因為你講說是期滿三年內你們要去收集各界意見期滿就會再行通盤檢討與決議所以到底是在118年會不會上路 |
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跟委員報告也不好意思因為這個過程當中我們一開始沒有說得很清楚所以引起一些紛擾那我還是要再一次的說明就是20萬以下的話依然是免開發票這個部分是非常重要那超過20萬以上的話那118年會不會確定會上路你再次明確告訴大家就127年屆期之前我們會再做審慎的評估 |
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我想我今天關心的是整體稅制的一致性與可預期性城鎮部一開始是否打算要全面實施 |
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我覺得一開始的時候其實我們很重要一個觀念就是說我們希望我們的小商店能夠引入行動支付然後或者是用Kiask來做結帳來做這個部分然後輔導他們所以這樣看起來你先釋放消息是在做民意的測試壓力反應嗎 |
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妳是在測試民意的壓力嗎不是的所以妳政策會這樣反覆就會讓我們這個大家覺得說財政部啊 |
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對於稅制的整體的一致性、可預期性沒有說很周全的一個考量跟委員報告沒有這樣的用意其實部長我們政策在事務面上有公平性尤其這個議題你要如何放寬如何達到公平這之間的斟酌這個要慎重的一個考量 |
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我想部長我本席在我們的地方的選區啊我們在日常行程上去跑的時候中午我們就會停下來到小吃店去用餐嘛所以我們也常發現說部分的小吃店他生意非常的好 |
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但是他卻沒有去開發票但是有些排隊的這些網紅店他也不用被課稅反而部分巷口的麵攤巷口裡面的小麵攤他反而或者是這個滷肉飯的這些攤子他反而營業的營業額度剛好過20萬的門檻就被判定要開立發票並課成5%的這個營業稅 |
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部分營業性特殊的例外情形也可以暫時免開維持免開發票這樣的制度的設計之下公平性難免就產生爭議就是你要如何放寬 |
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這個制度的設計看起來就是很有爭議所以我請問目前國稅局對於是否達到開立發票標準採用哪些具體的一個判準國稅局他們目前來說有用查定的如果沒有開發票就用查定 |
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一套的計算方式這個部分那另外對於營業性質特殊的是否有明確公開且一致適用的標準 |
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我們也有第一個在營業稅法還有適應細則以及相關的財政部的函令裡面都有做一些明確的規定是 部長我建議就是說財政部未來是否應該要避免政策未定案前你就發布說就來發布 造成民眾的恐慌我想稅制改革的重點 |
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不只要公平而且要穩定與可預期如果標準不夠明確那個訊息反覆就造成我們大眾的恐慌所以你這一次這樣發布就造成這樣一個情形所以未來政策的發布我是希望我們在做決策的時候要慎重的一個考量在做發布因為發布出來又馬上髮夾彎 |
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這樣不僅影響我們這些小吃店業者他的一個決策也會影響民眾對制度的一個信任所以未來我期待你能更慎重一點好不好謝謝委員的期許好 謝謝那接下來請台北101的江永傑董事長請江永傑董事長 |
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好 就這樣 |
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賈董早 賈董我看你最近對政治的議題蠻有興趣的包含你過去製作李前總統的《是惡魔》的海報然後你最近對這個發表道歉並且在二二八期間你在社群平台發表你深入研究林載血案台灣近代史以及人權相關的議題這些都引發熱議 |
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並且您在今年的大年初五您跟您的先生現身中正紀念堂參觀自由花蕊的展覽在社群平台曬出蔣中正的蠟像照更配上辛辣的文字很嗆繼續罰坐吧看大家多討厭你 |
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7425.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
還有藉由台北101的點燈打字以為呼應民主自由的價值紀念總統全民直選30週年的重要時刻見證台灣民主發展的重要里程碑 |
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我看到您對這些議題或者您的動作都蠻政治性的所以我想請教你未來年底的大選目前媒體發起網路的民調這民調的人選包括有謝聖武律師王世堅委員還有鄭義軍副院長以及你就是針對台北市長的一個選舉所以董事長我想請教你 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
7477.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
您當時表示您有表示您有自知之明從來沒有說要選所以今天站在立法院我想請你很明確的告訴社會大眾您是否是樂於繼續擔任台北101的董事長還是未來您有參選台北市長的一個規劃跟打算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
報告委員 我完全沒有任何參選的打算那台北市長也不在我的人生的規劃當中謝謝 謝謝是 所以你會繼續的在台北101來為這個台北101的整個發展來做努力是絕對沒有參選的一個這樣的一個遐想 |
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7518.394 |
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我這個遐想嗎遐想應該不是遐想吧應該是說我完全沒有這個想法沒有這個想法好 以上謝謝謝謝那接下來再請財政部再請賈董事長回座請財政部莊部長部長關於這個國票監控的議題啊 |
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7554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
這個剛才大家也很關心我想這個國票監控這個5月29號就要舉行股東常會改選董事有媒體稱這是一場經營權變天的戲碼那媒體的報導並指出幾位資深金融專家不喜反憂不約而同談到直施公司管理的財政部挑選有軍時若如法以值勢之對國票監控的發展又欠缺長遠的規劃 |
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結果可能是贏了經營權卻失去國票監控的未來就此就算勝利又如何部長你對這樣的一個媒體的看法您的說法您的說明是怎麼樣跟委員報告我們的公股事業投資相關的其他的事業都是根據它內部的有關的管理規範來執行的來執行 |
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那當然等5月29號會召開股東會那我想後續呢當然會根據這個股東的一個股權的實力來選任相關提名跟選任董事我想這個部分要做說明那至於媒體上面有各界的一個說辭那我們覺得不予評斷 |
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師父啊財政部為了推動國票金控的變天動員八大公股與公營事業機構大幅加碼國票金從原本的百分之八到百分之二十二砸下糟粕新台幣八十億元用工苦來進場資金來進場用委託書來操作部長這樣取得經營權的方式是否有經過公開收購的程序 |
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是否有繞過市場機制之一而不具正當性部長你的看法如何我想國票金控它是一個上市公司所有的交易都應該都在其中市場裡面交易並沒有所謂的不公開或就是說不公正的情況所以部長公股拿下國票金之後 |
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是不是就是會有整體的規劃我想這個目前來說有沒有可能跟未來跟公股銀行整合的一個規劃我想要等到5月29號股東會以後按照所選任的董事才能做後續的一個說明好 以上 謝謝好 謝謝林委員現在休息五分鐘 |
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這張圖畫是在2008年 當時在北京的一間餐廳拍攝的 |
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鞭筍 |
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好 我們休息時間已經到了請我們所有的官員回座我們等一下要繼續進行質詢了那請媒體先進是不是也先到您的位置上面因為我們現在要繼續開會了那請所有的官員趕快就座 |
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後面的官員們現在要開會囉現在開會了我再說最後一次現在要開會了請官員陸續就座休息時間已經結束了我再重申最後一次現在要開會了 |
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好接下來我們請我們的專委吳秉瑞委員主席麻煩請財政部專部長好有請專部長委員好部長早今天大家關心的那個關於國票金控的問題那 |
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我看到很多人的發言都是根據媒體的報導或是一方面的說法那我要提醒你你的實力原則是應該的這個在馬英九總統當政的時代就發生過這個公家去取得比較多的張萬陽的股份然後在市場上最後張萬陽歸由 |
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公家這邊來指定總經理跟董事長的這個事情這個事情有前例嘛 你記得嗎你的麥克風要開啊是所以同樣的狀況啦齁當時怎麼不講說國進民退呢 |
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當時還是立法院的財政委會一致的要求說你取得比較多的股份當然你要有經營權所以這個實例原則如果今天在國會令上面也用的話那就是一致的標準一致的標準就是我的股份比較多 |
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那當然就我來選拔這個經營者但是當然站在公股的立場選拔經營者當然是要選拔優秀專業的來去進行他的業務嘛對不對 |
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沒有錯是的另外剛剛可能也有一些人有一些誤解說某一家民股10%9.9%另外一家民股9.9%另外一家民股9.9%如果大家都三喜可是他忘記一點了並不是所有的股份都會來參與開會股東會的提名跟這個票選不是你實體的股數是要怎麼歸附這個郭票卿是 |
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是這個股票上市公司啊是然後依照現在的這個證券交易還有這個相關的這個法律來辦理啊所以並不是所有的股份全部都會出席股東會嘛那當然要以出席的表決權數作為依據啦但是你想想看我現在要跟你講一個我個人關注的點跟他們不一樣就是你既然掌握大部分的股數 |
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你這個改選只許成功不許失敗15個董事組成董事會公股至少要掌握巴西能不能在這邊承諾我想我們會根據這個股權的實力往這個目標前進因為你掌握巴西之後你才能夠確實的 |
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掌控這個董事會你想想如果民股就算他們分了好幾個四五個三四個都不要緊他們加起來如果有八席變成公股只有七席的話有可能民股大集合之後他就可以把你公股的這個經營者這邊把你推翻掉所以我是說國庫署這些外面的業務承擔的這個責任都要勇敢承擔起來如果你確實要用實力原則 |
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那這個其實法律有保護你為什麼因為個別的股東要買到9.9%為什麼要只能9.9%因為超過10%要經過金管會核准啊金控的股份這是一個特許行業這個不是一般的這個公司所以如果有一般的這個 |
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想要參與的人他買到要超過10%必須金管會核准嘛所以才會有幾家名股都是9點多的這樣的狀況嘛對不對是的所以我在這邊跟你講說我關注的點是既然政府真的是要去拿下來那你就必須要選上巴西的董事齁這個任務如果失敗的話齁那國庫署是沒有辦法立足的咧你了解我說的這個事情嗎 |
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了解另外剛剛很多委員都提到說這個關於20萬以上的特殊過去有一些特別的行業攤攤水水啊 攤商啊這些如果在20萬以上也可以免開統一發票如果經過核准之後他可以省定1%的營業稅對不對 |
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沒有錯就是20萬以下我們希望而且他鼓勵我們請他導入這個那個行動支付所有的行業未滿20萬的都不用都可以申請不用開立是每一個月的一年20萬以下都是的20萬以下都可以免用投資發票對都是用核定的嘛用查定的消費一趴來喝那超過20萬以前有一些會免現在那些會免要減少是不是這樣的關係 |
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超過20萬的部分我們當然原則上要開但是對於像這種大眾化的還有小規模營養它如果能夠導入行動支付跟Kiask來做的話我們是希望我們朝這個路上走所以在這個輔導期間讓他們可以一樣用1%來計算營業所以這個是一個方寬的三年所以就是說如果我舉個例子有一家 |
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這個過去是在惠美的他是做飲食的或是做你剛剛講的湯湯水水我也不知道湯湯水水的定義是什麼啦做飲食的好 那本來他是用查定稅額就算他每個月他是超過20萬的營業額但是現在問題是你給他惠美期間只有3年所以當他導入行動支付之後他有3年期間是用1% |
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過了三點之後他就要變成音樂碎片5%所以這樣子的誘因你認為夠嗎 |
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我想這個部分我們會在期限屆滿之前再來做通盤的一個檢討考量因為你在說明這個政策的時候一開始沒有講得很清楚或是有人就是去做不同的解讀現在在台灣施政很困難你知道嗎因為每一個人資訊很發達他如果解讀錯誤他把你散播出去就會造成你很大的問題所以再加上現在的傳播都是注重標題 |
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所以你的實質內容講得很細的時候 看的人也不多了所以常常就會以訛傳訛 會引起摸到的困擾但是我是講 根本的問題在這個地方你用這個電子支付做誘因 但是你的後面期只有三年這些人如果考慮說 我要做的生意是長長久久 |
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我本來是一趴啊我就繼續一趴就好了啊我用這個行動支付之後我只有三年能一趴過了三年因為我行動支付我的營業額多少你就清清楚楚了嘛如果他全部用電子支付電子支付最大的好處就是營業額多少你財政部是很清楚的嘛啊那三年之後他就沒有辦法再 |
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去走一趴這一條路啊這個問題的根源我個人認為可能是出在這地啊不知道你的看法怎麼樣 |
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委員確實是知道說問題有在這而且用行動支付再一趴其實也是不是今年才開始之前就有那這一次也是延長而且放寬這些規定那我想整個來說未來我們還是會在期限見滿整個來看這個導入行動支付的一個狀況實施的一個期限還有我們要考量民眾有時候在消費上他希望拿到發票他要來對講這個我們都要做整體的一個評估當然這都是考慮的因素但是 |
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另外同仁們在講的那個事情也是一個問題因為你的金額是20萬已經很多年三四十年都沒有調整了所以你那個基增成本如果你老實講你如果要真正對這方面認真的查核基增成本是非常的高 |
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以前的做法是這樣一個算物人員在那邊算說你每天來消費的人有多少每一個人平均消費額是多少然後用這樣子抽樣來去累計來去統計 |
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這個現在的工商業這麼發達我們國家負擔不起這樣的基層成本這個成本非常的高所以我是覺得事實上應該是可以考慮說那是不是金額稍微拉高那拉高之後大家就自然知道說 |
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啊這個生意這麼好的不可能是在這個計謀之下你的基增的相對你就是邊際的那邊的就可以比較不用那麼的細緻這樣你的基增人們可以降低有沒有可能考慮這樣 |
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那建議我們可以納入因為你規定訂好了之後如果你沒有辦法執行的話反而是使得大家就有那種心理說那我不要守法啊我看到別人沒有守法我就跟著想要不要守法我可以省點錢啊會引起這樣子的誘因你知道嗎所以如果你把這個標準稍微拉高我舉個例子說你每個月是40萬30萬40萬拉高到這個標準那他的營業就已經相當高了那 |
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營業的人獲利他也比較願意繳這5%的這個營業這個交易稅嘛那另外一個原因是你剛剛講的這種店小吃店賣冰的幹嘛他們的原料來源喔可能沒有辦法給他進向所以他沒有進向憑證所以他報了營業稅之後等於是他自己要吸收他沒有辦法再往下去 |
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去往回推去把它這個用鏡像憑證去把它的稅額給扣抵掉所以要考慮這個東西所以我覺得圖倫的建議也不是沒有道理因為你在小吃店如果我要付標五八的營業稅跟現在不成比例的話它的誘因會減少而且它很多的原物料它的鏡像成本沒辦法扣抵所以這部分要綜合考慮好不好好謝謝你加油好謝謝哲偉 |
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謝謝 下一位請李坤城委員質詢好 謝謝 各位我們先請這個財政部莊部長請財政部莊部長委員好來 部長好請問一下我們這個普發現金一萬呢期限是到4月30號嘛 對不對那現在只剩下最後一個月了請問一下現在這個普發現金的這個領取的狀況怎麼樣 |
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8736 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
8754.699 |
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幾%了?官員報告已經達到98%了大概2310萬人到昨天為止已經達到98%了已經領取了98%?對那剩下最後一個月要不要再呼籲一下有很多人可能忘了這個日期是4月30號之前我們一直有在push希望大家要記得趕快去領還說有很多的這個途徑 |
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8767.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
是的我們會再加強宣導希望大家在4月底前趕快來領那另外也要特別謝謝委員這個質詢我們也特別說明一下在4月1號到4月30號這個月份裡面出生的新生兒那他可以領的期限是到5月22號然後就 |
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8775.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
8797.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
拿的出生證明到郵局去領這個部分新生兒我們會有稍微就新生兒是最後是可以4月份出生的新生兒是到5月22號對5月22號然後去郵局領取那這個部分我們會加強宣導希望這個新生兒的爸爸媽媽們要記得去幫對阿要宣導一下因為你說到98%是不是已經到98%了對那有比上一次的普發現金6000還高嗎 |
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8826.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
應該是喔,應該是喔有,有比較高,那再宣傳一下,畢竟也是政府的一個德政嘛是,謝謝委員,我們在這邊也只有這樣說明好,加強一下宣導加強一下宣導,接下來我們請這個阮市長今天沒有來那另外一個聯席會面沒關係,我請教你好那這個從2月28號,這個美伊戰爭以來那其實我們台灣的股市就起起伏伏 |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
8840.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
那現在就是大家也關心說那國安基金到底在這段期間有沒有開會有沒有進場這件事情從那個2月28號這個戰爭發生以後其實我們都很持續的關注包括行政院 |
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跟我們金管會還有財政部都會密切的討論我覺得說國安基金到底有沒有開會過這段期間其實是國安基金本身沒有開委員會並沒有開沒有開會還沒有到開會的這樣的期限我們每天定期是三個月那如果有必要的話才會開臨時委員會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
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對 那就是說目前的這種情況因為股市是暴漲暴跌啊對那所以目前為止國安基金沒有開會 沒有開臨時會沒有開臨時會所以也沒有所謂進場的問題嘛對 所以但是對於各個股市的變化每天我們都持續的密切關注好 先請一下101的這個賈董事長我等一下會再請教這個莊部長請101賈董事長部長要不要先回座好 謝謝 |
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這個比較應該是第一次啦就是說101的點燈有在這個228的和平紀念日這個有點燈有自由、民主、台灣、hope and love |
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然後呢在這個總統直選30週年的時候也特別點燈這個人民當家這個愛與自由總統直選30週年這是您個人希望說這個透過101點燈的方式讓大家記住這兩個日子嗎 |
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我覺得這兩個日子對台灣而言是非常重要的那不管是228是對很多人而言是一個非常傷痛的日子那總統直選呢對我們的民主自由也是一個很重要的日子對那所以是你自己覺得這兩個日子很重要值得紀念所以特別點燈就對了 |
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是我是覺得我看了其實也是蠻感動的因為我記得印象中過去好像沒有特別為這那當然30週年是今年那過去每一年2月8日今天日我印象中好像沒有點燈這個部分我可能要再確認一下才能跟您報告那對你來講你希望透過這個點燈傳達什麼樣的一個意義 |
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我覺得台北101對整個台灣而言我比較期望是說像是一個巨大的加油棒那可能在我們重要賽事的時候可以幫台灣加油那另外當然這就是代表著我們一個自由民主的燈塔那點燈也是讓不只是台灣看到讓世界都看到我們就是一個自由民主的國家那對妳來講有沒有什麼特別的意義在 |
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特別的意義我想我不知道該怎麼形容就是我真的很珍惜今天是站在這個國家站在這片土地上面然後也希望大家可以珍惜 |
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好 謝謝佳董 我覺得行銷做得很好不是說只有這兩次點燈啦光是上次那個攀爬的101然後我們沒有支付任何的費用但是徹底的玩非常棒的行銷台灣那也把我們國情行銷出去啦謝謝委員 壓力很大 但是那一次很成功 謝謝好 謝謝佳董 那我再請莊部長請佳董事長回座 請莊部長 |
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來部長請教你就是有關這個我們境外電商落地的問題那其實這個我們主任長也有提過他就說這一個希望這個境外的電商尤其是來自中國電商要能夠落地來管理然後這個 |
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部長也說現在檢討相關的這個註冊程序那請問一下這個是在一月份所講的那這三個月以來當然這不是只有財政部也包含經濟部跟速發部那就財政部來講有關境外電商尤其像是中國的電商要落地這件事情目前處理的情況怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告 這個議題部會都相當重視 院裡面也非常重視那所以會由數位部還有經濟部來做討論然後財政部也會一起參與對於這樣後續要用什麼樣的方式來加強管理的部分都有提出討論那就是財政部的立場了財政部的部分最主要是貨物的部分 也就是對境外電商 |
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的一些貨物的管理我們也採取了相關的一些經濟措施在我們的海關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
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因為當然跟經濟部有關係但是對財政部有關係大家比較關心就是說這個沒有落地的電商利用小額包裹免稅的規定兩千元以下免稅然後每半年六次但是這個會形成對於我們本土電商在稅負和管理上的不公平的一個競爭甚至也有安全上面的疑慮那就這方面有要想要去做什麼處理的嗎因為其實包含美國跟歐盟他們已經 |
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陸陸續續取消了跨境包裹小額豁免的政策那就財政部來講咧部分其實要考量的因素蠻多的但我們也知道一些國家已經陸續開始採取所謂的取消了小額包裹免稅的這樣一個制度那就我們的部分當然後續我們會隨同境外電商購物這個部分一併來做考量 |
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這個大家也很多委員在關心那到底這個兩千塊一年六次這個會不會做調整目前來說並沒有要調整未來如果落地管理之後這個政策會做改變嗎 |
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是否落地管理或者是採取其他的方式目前來說我們還在做部會之間還做整體的規劃考慮我看這個卓院長也是講得很重啊說啊這個台灣是一個法治國家啊這一定要落地管理啊如果沒有落地管理的話要強制下架講得很嚴重啊但是我看部長這樣子的發言好像是說這個各個部會都還沒有動起來啊有部會都動起來啦 |
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沒有啊 你給我的答覆就是感覺上不會沒有動起來啊我們都各個相關的措施提出來討論那你們有一個DELAY嗎哪時候這個相關的管理措施要出來相關的措施其實我們已經討論了一個時間了那目前來說院裡面也正在做整合當中半年的時間可以嗎會出來嗎我沒有辦法提出時間你沒有辦法提出時間那你覺得半年有可能嗎 |
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應該不會那麼久吧不會那麼久好那再請教一下剛剛有很多同仁在問了這個有關這一個我們這一個現在確定這個願營樂園為我們20萬的是不受到影響嗎我們這些確定的小吃店但是20萬以上就會有受到影響那20萬以上會受到影響就是說剛剛這個趙薇有提到就是說你們現在有鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
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大家這個有超過二十萬的這些店家你們說五千三百多家而已要精準打擊不是啦輔導啦精準輔導啦那這個五千多家第一個我也不知道這個五千多家你們是怎麼算出來的那第二個就是說那他們的這個輔導其實只有三年啊對不對只到一百一十七年啊那你現在可以來一趴然後呢他這些現在他用這個數位支付的費用是誰來支付是他們自己要付這些成本嗎 |
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經濟部有輔導嗎?這個部分我們有會請經濟部來做相關的輔導有相關的這個費用的先比如說有協助嗎?或怎麼樣?我們請經濟部來協助這些商家能夠導入行動支付到底是有還是沒有?現在 |
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有所以說他們導入我們鼓勵但是三年之後他一樣又到5%那對這些店家來講他就覺得說我是配合政府政策啊不然我現在不做也是一樣啊反正三年之後一樣是5%跟委員報告所以我們一再說明就是說三年期滿之前我們會再做一個整體的審慎明年先一個其中的報告先出來啦你剛有答應嘛對不對 |
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呃一年一年吧也是一年嘛對啊一年嘛對啊就明年嘛明年這個時候先提出一個其中的報告出來嘛是是是好謝謝好謝謝部長謝謝主席主席好謝謝李委員下一位資訊委員請羅明財委員主席呃個人出列習慣大主席可不可以請莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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莊長 你那個補花現金一萬現在領的有百分之九十八是不是百分之九十八 兩萬三千一十萬人這次大家都領得很開心開心我覺得再接再厲好福氣希望說去年領的今年有機會繼續領有沒有機會 |
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我想這個整體還是要從國家的財政來做考量錢很多啊你要每天成交稅成交量多少日均量日均量一月份是有九千一百億二月份是九千八百億那三月份這幾天比較稍微少了一些假設每天一兆那你每一天營業日可以賺多少 |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9457.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
一兆大概是24億你看一天就收24億也沒有每天一兆那你沒有啦 因為你一年現在交易流多少一百三百六十五天兩百四十天左右吧兩百四十三天兩百四十三 再二十四年的話哇 六千億我覺得你光是這個都比在場的所有銀行還會賺 |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9488.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
你看這個遊戲規則設計的好你就可以源源不絕的賺那事實上台灣如果再開放一點像ISO、OBU、OIU等等台灣如果安全包括虛擬貨幣的以後交易市場也可以放台灣我們現在公股銀行裡面有沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9496.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
準備要設一個虛擬資產交易所有沒有哪一家在做?虛擬資產服務法的部份儘管會已經研擬目前在院裡面審議當中那我想這個法如果經過大院審議三讀通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
9510.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9531.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
相關的法制會更明確完整來後續再來做相關的規劃推進其實民間都有人在申請而且富邦都已經申請過了等一下我再問一下宮古銀行董做的看法那我再繞回來免得你這樣上上下下現在物價飆漲統一發票部長你有沒有中過200塊 |
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9536.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9555.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
我中五百塊比較多,因為我都用雲端發票所以我覺得五百的話應該是一個基本的起跳價啦你現在中兩百,民眾也無感真的,你買一個便當快一百四塊、兩百塊了再加杯飲料部長,你那個現在兩百塊的一共幾組? |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
9564.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9584.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
有多少中獎的額度?其實我們現在在增加那個組數都會增加在雲端發票因為我們鼓勵大家盡量用載具然後用雲端發票然後可以減脂然後也對環保有幫助政治人民請命爭取取消200塊啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
9586.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9608.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
你兩百塊央行還要現在要營新超就說有這個需求那個兩百塊來你看看有多少組百塊是號碼獎所以看多少號碼對中就多少組沒有限定的去年大概一共領兩百塊有多少人去年領兩百有多少 |
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9630.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
不好意思我查一下你等一下再跟我說那我就是說跟部長講一下那200塊現在物價飆漲加油油價也漲各方面都漲這個中獎的金額你是不是調高500塊以上嘛免得大家舟車勞頓 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9632.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9658.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
反正中獎的機率你平均都一樣你只要是人人拿發票各個有希望雖然不見得會中但你中一次五百不要說那個兩百兩百兩百你要兩百你為什麼不一百那個太多太多了簡化一點另外一個就是說現在出國一個人最多可以帶多少錢 |
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9663.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9691.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
台幣啊 多少錢人民幣多少說現金是不是多少Cash報告委員那個洗錢方式法的規定新台幣美金 美金是一萬塊啦新台幣應該是十萬塊台幣大概十萬塊啦人民幣大概兩萬齁是 對要檢討一下那個金額都太少了你說你拿兩萬的人民幣先去消費不曉得你有沒有去過大陸我沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
有一些比較高檔的 你知道200塊一餐都不夠所以這個應該要調整一下現在整個物價飆漲都要調整一下2萬 譬如說調到3萬跟國際一樣與時俱進好 剛剛那個題目有沒有回答200塊的去年有多少人去領 |
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| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9725.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
大家就好了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
9728.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9737.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我只是要讓大家知道這個金額這個金額然後領的人數是多少報告委員 去年合計900多萬帳 900多萬人為了200塊不領 心裡又過意不去領這200塊 我還坐計程車去領計程車剛好是150 200扣150哇 剩下50扣 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9773.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
部長啊可以直接入帳到我們的那個統一發票APP裡面我知道啦可以統一可以入帳你都可以做我的選民很多阿公阿嬤啊他都說做工策略領不曉得怎麼領超商也可以領吧超商兩大兄弟啦事實與時俱進調高一下 |
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9783.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
9805.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
那包括今天都有很多的什麼扣除額啊特別扣除額啊對教育的一些補助這個因為現在物價飆漲希望部長這邊全面性做一個盤點通通調 該標準要調的就調高減輕人民的負擔那另外一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
9807.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
9813.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
人民苦哈哈你們在供股銀行的一些什麼手續費啊ATM轉帳那個費用會不會調高啊沒有這個規劃吧沒有這個規劃要調高啊所以最近不會調高沒有這個規劃不要雪上加霜啊在山口灑鹽啊民眾受不了好那再講到菸酒公司啊最近聽說菸酒還有紅標米酒蠢蠢欲動也要跟著漲價 |
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9836.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9857.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
有沒有這個事情應該沒有吧我想董事長是不是在這邊可以由董事長來說明一下有啊 101的租金都漲價啦不然等一下賈董上來講一下好了全民都在調高啊嗨 那個董事長委員好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
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有沒有要漲價?威士忌漲了我們目前紅標料理米酒沒有漲價的安排未來這幾個月會不會漲?不會不會漲齁?好住啊好 民生議題 很多民眾都在說擔心啦日本的衛生紙箱都漲10%大家開始囤積在飆我們現在供貨沒問題吧?沒有問題好 你又大聲講不會漲大家不要去囤積好不好?好謝謝委員會 |
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那個加農長 當時全世界在看喔我就覺得妳是藝高人膽大妳心臟那麼強啊 |
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我是啊妳有爬上去嗎我爬上去啦哇 阿彌陀佛妳要保重啊因為我剛是看那個電視的時候看了手腳要冒冷汗是 我懂好 101的租金最近都有調高啦其實我們的租金都是跟著市場行情對有啊 周邊市場都調高啦那就要調高啊調高多少 |
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我們就是跟著市場行情啊有沒有說7%還是8%不可能啦怎麼可能不可能那麼低還是那麼高不可能那麼高所以也是有調高你們的空租率怎麼樣我們現在基本上的租戶率是97%左右了那預估是在3月份3月底4月的時候應該是可以達到99% |
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所以101是賺錢的啦是啊是啊 我們很賺錢欸那麼賺 股權15%現在賣給誰啊我們賣給了宏泰宏泰 是很多人去標嗎我不確定有沒有很多人標欸那現在這個股權結構財政部的部分是多少我們財政部的公股的部分大概是52% |
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有過半另外的有沒有日本公司日本伊藤忠有持有幾%17他如果下次要賣的話你們應該優先財政部這邊規劃一下今年銀行都賺很多錢 |
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累積啊 101的股權啊不要落到那個外國人的手上好不好好謝謝謝謝好 謝謝羅民財委員下一位質詢委員 請鍾嘉斌委員五分鐘 |
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主席 蔡黨委員先進 列協眾 金安首長 官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者 女士先生有請財政部莊部長 副稅署 宋署長副稅署 宋署長委員好部長好 署長好部長 你有沒有拿過200元的新台幣 紙鈔 |
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有沒有拿過兩千元的很少有沒有拿過三塊錢的新台幣硬幣三塊錢沒有有沒有拿過四塊錢的新台幣硬幣沒有因為沒有發行那你知道目前我們印花稅的稅票它有幾種面額嗎印花稅的稅票啊那有好多種面額有三塊錢的有四塊錢的有二十塊錢的我實在搞不懂啊印花稅票為什麼要有這麼多種面額 |
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因為有零頭啊 需要 對不對我們早前有零頭 從來沒有拿過3塊錢的新台銅板也沒有拿過4塊錢的銅板 來我現在問題呢 有民眾朋友反映啊他要貼個大概80塊錢的印花稅票郵局說 抱歉喔 我們只有50跟100的他怎麼繳印花稅部長 怎麼辦 |
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所以他被迫要買80張一塊錢的 |
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好來可以部長有沒有覺得很奇怪為什麼印花稅要貼還有印花稅票要用貼的啊什麼情況下會貼印花稅票我們有除了貼稅票之外還有總額繳納我知道啦其他總額繳納網路申報開立繳款書還有呢但是呢最麻煩的是什麼印花稅票嘛郵局一年幫你們發行多少印花稅票 |
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郵局幫你們發行印花稅票你們要付手續費印花稅大概一年180億啦貼票的大概18億啦有沒有18億的手續費你再算一下啦大概5%的手續費啦大概要繳9千萬的手續費給郵局啦 |
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部長我是有備而來的啦數字可能不是很精準大概是這樣的情況你對印花稅我們連蘇貞昌院長任內都很難把它終結啊雖然這是個非常非常古老我不敢說落後但是因為它是涉及到中央 |
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立法地方的稅源當地方他沒有稅損沒有補充的時候中央沒有辦法把它作廢 是不是這樣子那你至少讓民眾方便繳稅嘛你現在有在用兩百塊兩千塊的嗎你有在找到三塊錢的銅板 四塊錢的銅板嗎我們印花稅有這樣的一個落伍的做法部長 怎麼辦 |
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第一個就是印花稅是屬於地方稅所以一年大概有兩百多億的稅收另外至於繳納的方式我們盡量用各種多元的繳納方式就如同委員講的那妳直接告訴我貼票多少嗎貼票多少請負稅署說明 |
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這一題我早就給你們了有有有 報告委員我們目前200億裡面有7.8億是貼印花稅票的不是不是18億是7.8億7.8億那為了7.8億要貼票我們要維持這樣一個印刷發行補貨民眾要去郵局購買而且我在高雄郵局買的印花稅票我去繳那屏東的契約銀錢收據請問這筆錢是給屏東縣政府還是高雄市政府 |
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如果你是在屏東...我在高雄的郵局買的印花稅票我貼給屏東縣政府的印錢收據是怎麼拆帳?委員沒有拆帳的問題那是賣印花稅票它是抽手續費至於印花稅是繳給當地的地方政府我在郵局買100塊的印花稅票我100塊給誰?給郵局嘛那郵局要給屏東縣政府還是給高雄市政府?他知道嗎? |
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他是煙花稅票 他交了煙花稅我們是按照煙花稅多少去撥給地方的啊好啦 我撥給夜市也有限啦回去慢慢想啦這麼弱武的用貼票的方式怎麼樣可以把它落日部長有沒有打算把這個東西讓它可以符合數位化的時代 |
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這個部分其實已經有多種方式如何數位化這個部分我想我們可以再來看看研議有沒有可行性可能要立法啦譬如說如果你在一定金額以下你才可能用貼票的方式那如果你在一定金額以下你不用貼票你用多元繳納用電子繳納我給你打個折扣打個75折那他就會怎樣 |
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比如說兩百塊以下 四百塊以下的我可以少繳一百 那我就幹嘛我就不用貼票了嘛 好 往下提來 小吃店開發票為什麼財政票要澄清 澄清什麼豆漿店 麵食店 自助餐 便當店他們現在是不受到連二十萬的限制嘛 對不對對好 因為主席馬上就站起來了好 這個呢 因為已經談很久了去年就開始做好了 對不對今年開始我有沒有問題要不要宣導 下一頁我有沒有問題要不要宣導 |
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我有沒有見你找經濟部許宣導?有沒有見你找經濟部許宣導?有的你有沒有找經濟部宣導?我們在各國稅局都在限定你們沒有找經濟部宣導告訴你原來小店家當年2018年賴總統當行政院長的時候行動置戶1.0版的時候5%變成1%都是經濟部在針對小店家做宣導現在你們是2.0版要不要找經濟部一起宣導? |
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好,我們一定會找經濟部一起訓導好,那最後我們就結論了,這個國票就不分了所以為了鼓勵印花稅多元繳納的方式怎麼樣可以符合政府的尊潔開支的目的請你們評估相關的手續費,不是水續費還有責讓,還有誘因讓我們印花稅小額繳納量手的商業律師人比較方便,好不好 |
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委員是不是可以容許我們三個月因為這還要跟地方政府討論因為我已經跟陳滿能討論很久了好謝謝主席謝謝鍾嘉斌委員接下來請蔡春籌委員質詢要按一下 |
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主席還有所有的官員所有的同仁大家午安我們請財政部莊部長 |
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委員好部長我先自我介紹一下我是衛生課來的我來自芬林北港那今天跟部長來討論北港做台 |
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去年的5月15日我本黨的主席黃國昌委員有質詢就是我們這一塊地的一個用途 |
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那我今天呢就是來追蹤啦追蹤這一塊土地那已經拆了那我要了解拆了以後呢繼當時呢我們的署長有回覆我們的黨主席說是要做停車場嘛那現在是不是繼續還是要做停車場委員是不是請我們曾署長來跟您說明 |
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報告委員那個還沒有活化之前因為北港地區有停車的需求我們也有跟政工所聯繫過了就是以先做停車場我知道包括隔壁的那個地方政府的部分也要先做停車使用這個之前你已經有跟我們主席報告過了 |
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我們主席執行完之後影片傳到我們北港的時候鄉親一片叫好今天我北上我們鄉親一再矚目這塊地我們一定要理清楚這塊地對北港來講是非常重要我們北港在 |
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是北港那個媽祖廟的一個聖地我們一年有 |
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一千多萬年次來到北港那你這一塊地呢在這裡延宕了20年沒有開發那我們的鄉客尤其是白沙捲媽祖或者是3月19號我們的媽祖遶境人山人海啊然後呢我們都沒有辦法疏散那找不到吃的找不到住的 |
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那一塊地在我們北港是一個商業界的一塊黃金地段那現在呢你們又要把它當作停車場來用那是不是太可惜啊那麼我們現在呢都在做地方創生 |
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那最主要就是要經濟活化嘛那經濟活化你那一塊地用途那麼好那你現在要沒有好好的規劃它那我要請教一下我們署長那未來你是要怎樣計畫 |
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跟委員報告那個土地本來我們有做地上全的標誌就是要做商業的活化使用那當然商業活化就包括有一些小吃店、停車、百貨這些等等它的用途非常的廣但是看起來似乎市場上的需求沒有那麼大所以留標好 市長這樣我知道你們根本就不知道地方的需求嘛 |
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這一塊地只有北港人只有雲林縣人只有我們才知道這塊地需要什麼嘛那你說它沒有價值或者是說還沒有達到你們剛剛說的本來這一塊地雲林縣政府就跟跟你們已經簽約了嘛本來要做VOT嘛後來你們就 |
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毀約啊 做最壞的示範 毀約了啊那你們說你們要重新規劃嘛那你現在規劃出來 已經十幾年了這塊地M當了28年那你現在還在計畫還拿不出來那你這樣 你怎麼叫我回去交代我的鄉民啊 |
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報告委員不是我們毀約之前我們跟雲林縣政府合作的時候是要做轉運站後來事實上大家當地包括Gimi也認為那個地方已經是有交通瓶頸做轉運站也不適合所以轉運站的位置現在也都更換了我們一年有一千多萬人次來到北港進鄉 |
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白沙屯今年五十萬人要來到北港怎麼叫做這樣的一個人潮這個轉運站為什麼不適合呢報告來進鄉的大部分都不是搭公共用具大部分都是搭遊覽車我請部長跟署長有空來北港走一走他不是進鄉洗茶 進鄉的散客非常多 |
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所以我們希望最後北溪希望財政部跟地方政府能夠協商能夠確保拆除以後土地使用能夠最大化來經濟效益這樣有助於地方創生然後能夠帶給北港長期有永續的一個發展還有給有工作機會給年輕人有機會回鄉就業 |
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那最後呢我希望財政部呢能夠在提供比較具體符合地方發展的一個利益跟需求的一個招標計畫給人辦包委員我們會跟縣政府因為他把旁邊的那個舊的建屋也拆掉了事實上那個雙方土地是可以合作一起開發來符合地方的需求那在擬定計畫的過程當中我們也會請那個 |
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工所這邊來參與謝謝蔡委員希望如你這樣講然後儘快把計畫給我們給我是的有具體的結果我們再提供給委員OK好下一位請閻寬恆委員質詢好謝謝主席主席各位列席官員大家好主席有請財政部莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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委員好部長好月營收盒20萬以下的小吃店超過20萬118年期要開發票的議題現在網路上討論得沸沸揚揚我們的次長有出面說明說是否所有的小吃店每月營養額超過20萬 |
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全面開立統一發票財政部會先觀察行動支付這個結帳系統導入的狀況還有店家的作業流暢度再加上各界意見之後評估那其實小市店開立成本這種紙張成本是不方便那不管它金額高低如果真的要全面開立統一發票 |
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這個營業稅5%那一個月營業額20萬那就馬上就會從原本的這個5000塊拉高到25000塊那營業稅這個馬上增加只能透過這個漲菜品的價格來提高三成來應對這個額外的稅收那所以其實現在小吃店不便宜 |
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但是台灣引以為傲的我們這些小吃店的業者吸引了很多各界的觀光人士 國外的人士也很多那如果本來就不便宜的小吃攤全面在因為吸收我們這些這個營業稅然後提高菜價 提高單價那會影響到我們整體的一個觀光的一個這樣子的一個全面的衝擊部長你有沒有考慮到這個層面 |
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我知道我們台灣的小吃美食是許多人觀光客來台灣的一個吸引力那對於發票的這個部分我們已經做了很詳細說明第二就是20萬以下維持並沒有要求要開發票並沒有要法開那20萬以上我們鼓勵導入行動支付或者是用多媒體諮詢服務機 |
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來做這個結帳收費也避免就是說又備餐又去找錢這樣的一個衛生的情況那我們導入行動支付以及用那個多媒體資訊服務其實事實上對觀光客來說是更為方便除了美食之外然後在付款上更為走向一個數位化的一個時代我覺得是 |
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更具有一個吸引力那在這個時間呢我們用三年時間來輔導我們這些小吃小吃店能夠走向這樣的一個方向那所以在這個期間我們還是雖然超過20萬還是免開發票然後有1%的營業稅我想主要的政策目的是這樣那在屆期之前我們會再做通盤的檢討跟評估看看推動的一個情形 |
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寬限期三年嘛到118你說從1%拉高到5%然後當然我們也會邀請經濟部一起來然後協助我們這些小店家能夠導入這個行動支付的一些基金部長我建議就是說政策想好了確定了 |
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再來公佈然後再來就是溝通公佈但是不要說你現在說了再說也許我們說明上應該更清楚但是這樣會反效果啦會讓人民無所適從他們會擔憂會緊張嘛我們在說明上要更詳細一點 |
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接下來再請教新青安的問題新青安在7月底要落日現在傳出說銀行端建議說如果實施2.0他們覺得應該要取消利息補貼然後縮短寬限期在外傳新版的新青安是會朝向利率水準至少在2.3%以上寬限期降低改為3年 |
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那層數最高還是八成不變但是另外會加入八零條款那這幾項大原則那目前財政部討論方向是不是也這樣子跟這個外界在傳的一樣那是不是原則上確定會有新簽案2.0只是目前內容還在做修訂 |
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跟委員報告新清安從112年8月到今年7月要屆期那後續的推動方向呢我們在聽取各界的意見包含寬限期或者是貸款年限以及最高額度等等或年齡並沒有一個定案所以各位在媒體上看到的並不是定案的大家就在那邊說我也不知道所以但是還是2.08月就會上路了嗎 |
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財政部會聽取各界的意見以後我們已經開了兩次邀請相關部會來討論所以我們會整體再來評估包含房市的供需金融市場還有民眾需求新金安貸款的成效還有政府收支財源的運用以及公股銀行資金成本等等多個面向來做綜合討論我們會擬出方案報請行政院核定 |
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當訂案以後我們一定會對外界來做說明然後外界的意見我們也在這段期間再收集然後再仔細的然後再納入考量這樣子對啊所以說我們新青康五年的寬限期所以第一批上車的在2023年上車的這一個族群在2028年就迎來這個還本高峰從月付金原本的1.8萬然後呢直接翻倍4萬以上 |
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那如果到時候經濟環境波動還是說失業率上升這群青年族群將成為金融體系的潛在未爆蛋所以我想請教部長對於這個部分有沒有預見過度這個所謂的寬限期所導致的一個過度寬限所導致的信用風險會不會現在已經預見了 |
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我們銀行在辦理這個貸款的時候事實上都根據五批原則還有就個案來審慎合與適當的寬限期所以您說五年的話事實上目前來說是用五年寬限期的只有四分之一四分之三的都沒有用到五年寬限期甚至有49%他都沒有運用寬限期四分之一那我們總貸件數是超過15萬件 |
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15萬件那事實上還有49%他並沒有用寬限期那用三年以內的也佔了四分之一我想這個部分大家其實都會珍惜買到這個款式意思是說有超過6萬件2028年就會遇到還款高峰期 |
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那在這段寬限期也可以還本我們這個2.0的部分就是有考慮到就是已經預見這個部分因為寬限期過度導致的這些風險所以才把它緊縮嘛沒有要說要緊縮這個我們並沒有定案但是就是考慮這麼做嘛所以你沒有否定啊 |
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那其實銀行在貸款的時候就已經在審核的時候已經納入考量了不是 你那個72支2條已經放寬了所以銀行不能夠再以額度不足的理由來拒絕申貸嘛那放寬了申貸之後 |
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可是你縮短了寬限期所以這個就表示說財政部已經看到了過這個寬限期造成市場市場過度投機的一個副作用所以才會來做這個修正那再來再請教還沒有定案還沒有定案 是不是 那再請教一下因為普遍預期說7月就是8月份2.0會上路那是不是在8月之前 |
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會再引起一波搶搭木班車的非理性的購物潮其實我們看這幾個我們有去預估就這個防範這幾個月其實整個的數量並沒有所謂有暴增情形因為最高量大概在113年的7月8月的時候是最高 |
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所以我們現在才問你說有沒有這種情況那如何預防如果有這種可能發生的一個搶袋草要怎麼處理新興鄉政策確實是讓年輕人他得以進場購屋但是同時也在市場上釋放出這種更強烈的購買需求所以進一步的推高房價當補貼轉化 |
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為房價上漲的一個動能那實際受益的就往往不是這些購屋者而是持有資產的這一方那財政部是否有進行量化評估說新青安所帶動的房價漲幅是否已經明顯高於政府提供的利息補貼總額 |
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那如果假設補貼的效果被價格上漲完全抵消掉那甚至於讓整體購屋門檻進一步的推高那這個政策在實質上反而成為推高房價的工具不是降低居住負擔的手段部長我們的最終目的就是要降低居住負擔是不是這樣子 |
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我們在推動的時候我們希望沒有自住房屋的人可以購買房屋然後減輕他的一個負擔 |
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這目標是這樣那當然剛剛委員所提的一些建議在推動過程當中我們也不斷的在做檢討精進做一些調整就是要讓居住成為可負擔的基本需求這是我們最終的目的所以不是只是短期的一個政治承諾還是說怎麼樣就是應該要成為長期可持續的一個制度安排好不好 部長是 謝謝委員的建議 |
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謝謝嚴委員在下一位諮詢人請王宏威委員諮詢好謝謝主席我先請那個我們財政部長還有台灣金控兩位總經理好了施總經理跟吳總經理請莊部長台灣金控 |
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10種經理還有5種經理台灣一郎5種經理 |
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两位总经理 |
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每次到了地方他們都會跟我有這樣的反應所以我在這邊必須來做一個反應希望我們台銀能夠去評估在大直地區設立分支機構好不好好時間暫停兩位總經理先請回 |
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好 部长我们今年包含我们为了配合为了配合我们立法院的修法也为了配合在台美关税贸易谈判所以我们今年在后税的部分做了一些修正 |
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但是呢我觉得这几年来我们都会发现一件事情就是我们的税降了确实呢国库的收入减少但是我们原来希望有一些成效比如说你今天是对产业的这个补助也好 |
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那最主要有些他应该对于消费者应该要做一些反应但是非常奇怪的是我们所谓的税制优化瘦了国库肥了厂商但是消费者的荷包并没有因此而有任何的增加或他减少一些损失举例来说我们今天开始针对无添加糖的饮料品取消货物税 |
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那麼當然也有廠商說他率先回饋可是所謂的回饋呢也不過呢就是這個系列裡面降一塊錢而已老實說消費者很無感那有一些品牌呢他又以其他的各式各樣的理由根本沒有降價所以呢我們整個的貨物稅的取消 |
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跟消費者一點關係都沒有除了我們現在無糖飲料之外像在去年紐西蘭的義太魯我們取消關稅這當然是當時的一個貿易協定 |
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這個反映出我們紐西蘭的E-Tel就是全面免關稅過去是一個限額以上還是客家關稅好 到現在為止呢結果到了進口台灣照樣的 |
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消費者沒有感受到任何液態乳有任何的降價而且這個當地的價格跟事實上在台灣的價格可以差到1.6倍到3倍之多所以 |
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部長我當然知道你們有一些的降稅是配合經濟部的需求或者就是這些主管機關他們的評估但是我覺得因為你們要負擔國庫上收入的減少 |
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那如果国库负担减少了但是呢我们没有办法让消费者反应我觉得这一些应该要跟经济部相关的部会要有反应为什么我们消费者一点都没有省到钱呢降税降半天降到哪里去了另外呢 |
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這個就是現在我們今年開始針對無糖飲料取消貨物稅那這個部分其實這就要討論到有關於糖稅的部分糖稅我們台灣有名團有做一些呼籲那到現在為止當然這跟微服部有關係但是我在這邊要特別提出來事實上這兩年 |
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很多國家陸陸續續的 包含它擴大糖稅的科徵因為大家都知道 在糖是很可怕的造成了肥胖 造成了糖尿病 造成很多的疾病然後呢 讓我們的健保支出事實上一定是增加的 |
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所以包含英國他從今年開始要擴大徵收糖稅然後呢他在像法國他們也叫所謂的汽水稅就是含糖的汽水稅 |
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那事實上WHO甚至也有呼籲跟建議世界各國可以考慮能夠課徵所謂的健康稅這就是糖稅所以我覺得我們身為租稅的主管機關 |
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我觉得财政部是不是也可以来做一些相关的研究这当然你们会要去尊重卫福部啊我知道我这边在讲的也是甘冒天下之大不会啊因为一般人大家都希望减税减税减税可是我觉得人民的健康如果WHO或者是世界各国也都有这样的趋势我觉得我们是可以大入考量的好不好 |
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好 謝謝王委員跟委員說明對於相關的貨物稅減徵那如何回饋給消費者 譬如說那個節能家電那我們就直接退稅給消費者由他直接退稅那這無糖加無添加糖飲料這個免貨物稅這個部分我記得我們在修法過程當中同時也要求經濟部他們一起要做後續的一個處理當然現在只有一個品牌 |
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一塊錢對我想這個部分他們做那至於糖的部分或基於健康要不要客徵其他的稅我想有目的事業主管機關應該要去評估除了稅這樣的工具以外有沒有其他的工具可以達成您剛剛委員所提到的為了促進國人的健康避免一些相關的負面的健康上的負擔 |
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我覺得應該由目的事業主管去做評估不是唯一的一個工具我了解啊 但是我這是一個提醒因為全世界其實有很多國家現在在採行了好不好 好 謝謝好 謝謝王委員 下一個諮詢請林佩祥委員 |
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好 謝謝主席有請部長請財政部莊部長兩好部長你好本席今天想跟你聊一個議題講白一點我們政府這一個優質認證九類產業發展方案到底是在做產業政策還是在做一個比較精緻一點的貼標籤工程 |
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這個方案從民國106年推到現在也快十年了十年呢不是十天也不是十個月人生也沒幾個十年那結果我們看到的是什麼預算越變越少效果越來越模糊甚至你們自己的報告都說短期內看不出效果 |
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部長如果十年還叫短期的話請問什麼才叫做長期是等下一代的專業人才像是釀酒師退休之後嗎本席認為問題的核心其實很簡單就是所謂的角色錯亂 |
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老實說我們財政部到底是瞌睡的還是顧產業的呢因為現在看起來你們比較很認真在管酒瞌酒驗酒但是比較不像在幫酒的產業打天下我們也都知道釀酒產業看起來很輕鬆很開心但是其實牽扯到很多的面向農業原料設備投資節能減碳甚至國際市場行銷這是個跨部會的產業戰略問題 |
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但是現在居然是由一個最擅長收稅的部會來主導產業發展那結果就會變什麼我們的政策很會管但是不太會帶再來看我們政策工具一句話可以形容啦有點悲哀啦十年磨一劍但是這把劍還沒開封呢 |
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你們自己在麥芽及啤酒花稅市支出評估效果裡面寫得非常清楚現行措施難以突破進口啤酒的優勢而且對於成本結構問題幾乎沒有幫助這不是我講的這是你們自己報告裡面寫的那我就很想問部長如果連你們自己都認為這套工具效果很有限那為什麼要用同一套方法整整做了十年呢 |
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這不是政策延續這比較算是習慣性操作吧請部長回答 |
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謝謝有關菸酒管理目前來說是我們財政部國庫署的一個業務那我們也希望民眾跟業者對於優質酒類能夠有所認識所以我們才有這樣的一個方案然後加強的來推動我們也希望把我們國內的優質酒類能夠推廣到我們國內之外而且能夠推廣到國際去所以我們也就會 |
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選優秀的品類然後去參加國際的其實這幾年來比如說110年我們也得到了25面的獎牌我們參加舊金山世界烈酒的競賽那111年也得28面那112年也得35面所以都是得到雙位數的一些獎牌其實是有它的成效的我們也鼓勵國內的酒業能夠繁榮的發展 |
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剛剛部長講到推廣推廣跟預算應該推不了關係我們講到預算這個我真的覺得有點落差感 |
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從110年到115年用在認證上的經費是1億800萬但是真正用在產業發展上面的6年加起來只有540萬甚至一年只剩20萬如果推廣只剩一年只有20萬的話那可以做什麼我們辦一場記者會還是我們做幾張海報甚至老實說做個試飲會恐怕20萬都不太夠啦 |
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所以說部長我不反對認證認證很重要但是如果整個政策只剩下認證的話那老實說認證做很滿產業沒長大那就變我們的政策其實這個政策就會變成很好看但是不好用 |
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最後我講一個比較嚴肅的現在不是外界在批評說你們政策都沒效而是你們自己的報告都在提醒這件事情既然問題這麼清楚那我認為政府就不應該假裝一切都是正常的 |
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所以本席在這裡正式要求第一請財政部在一個月內提出完整的檢討報告把這十年到底做了什麼效果在哪裡講清楚說明白第二個重新檢討整個預算的結構如果說118跟540這個兩個比效起來的話我認為 |
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如果只是重認證新發展那其實對產業的幫助其實不大讓產業的政策真正回到產業上的支持第三個也請部長思考財政部要不要從管理者轉型成為支持者不然我們的酒可能永遠只是在國內國外拿認證但是很難在國際市場裡面拿掌聲最後面部長我講的比較直接一點 |
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這個政策如果不改再過十年我們可能還是在同樣一個問題那個時候可能本來今年釀的酒變十年之後的成年成釀但是產業可能還沒有長大 |
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這是我今天要跟部長真心的建議謝謝林委員謝謝委員的建議但是我要跟委員報告我們的預算真的沒有一億多沒有只有一千萬一千八百萬十年以來還沒有一億謝謝林委員接下來請下一個諮詢委員徐富魁委員 |
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謝主席 有請我們莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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部長好部長我想最近這個小吃店要開發票的事情鬧得沸沸揚揚那我們很多的好朋友鄉親都跟我講說我們屏東過去有好吃的肉圓還有滷肉飯還有粄條這些我們過去叫做庶民的小確幸因為叫銅板美食 |
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那又可能因為這樣的政策通班美食消失了大家沒有小確幸了那當然我知道部長還有我們相關單位第一時間有出來澄清說明但是我覺得這個說明的力道不夠所以在民間還是一直以訛傳訛甚至這個網路假訊息還是層出不窮那根據我們調閱的一個資料部長 |
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媒體說全台估計有7萬家業者受到影響那我們調閱了114年每一個月銷售額達20萬的查訂客徵這個消費的一個電影家的數據平均只有5000多家為什麼會有那麼大的落差請部長說明確實是5000多家並沒有所謂7萬多家然後我們也要再次說明沒有超過20萬的並沒有要開發票而且可以是用1%的 |
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稅率那超過20萬的只要他能夠導入行動支付Kiask來做的話我們這個期間是可以做一個緩衝而且依照一樣的是一趴而且這個時間原來就有了然後只是把又再延長希望這個時間大家都可以用這個那這個部分呢其實對於消費者可以更方便而對於小企業者也可以方便這樣的一個收款我們一直在輔導而且也會結合經濟部去輔導我們這些小店家們可以用行動支付 |
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部長我知道您很用心在做這樣的一個規劃但是實務面上的推動我想這不是只有財政部的問題一定要結合我們相關部會因為對小店家來講沒人做生意沒人在賺錢已經很忙了你要導入這些不管是電子發票或是這些數位的東西來講 |
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一般的這個有時候店家的老闆年紀比較大如果沒有二代三代來接手也不可以處理啦然後第二個很多的店家最近的新聞我都在看說他們已經決定如果真的要推動已經決定要轉嫁到消費者的身上我想我們應該還是要透過不同的管道去把這樣的一個誤解說清楚了 |
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謝謝委員的指教我們一定會再加強的一個做說明跟宣導然後結合經濟部一起來做對所以我們也歡迎部長有空來屏東吃我們好吃的肉餅這個滷肉飯享受我們的同班美食不要讓它消失是謝謝謝謝委員是部長那另外我們有最近接到一個服務案件我想要請教部長的看法部長知道我們鄉下有沒有很多的過去的三合院 |
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過去三合院都會有一個曬穀場因為以前我們要種稻米要曬穀那過去這個曬穀場在這個過去的時代也是很多這個老中青三代晚上在這邊休閒大家可以聊天還有一個地方但是隨著時代的進步我們現在的這個財政單位把它認定為沒有農地農用要課稅部長知道這個狀況嗎 |
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這個是屬於地方稅那是不是地方稅務局有做這樣的調整還是怎麼樣我們署長要說明一下那我是不是請署長來說明一下 |
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報告委員那個是地方政府因為他們會去做農地有沒有農用去查定的那如果是確定是曬穀場其實應該是沒有課地加稅其實我也是農家出身的我們家前面也是曬穀場 |
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那我們還是沒有課低價稅部長跟署長我想我會提出這個問題當然知道這是地方稅的問題但是站在財政部的立場我想因為最近審計部針對這樣的一個個案在屏東清查了一千多件這樣的個案 |
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用現在的法令來課這樣的一個地價稅我認為不盡人情那以我們的農業發展條例民國92年1月13號以前已經有固定設施的農業基礎面積在250平方公尺以下的話可以免申請這個建築的執照那財政部能不能來輔導我們相關的這個地方政府來做這樣的一個規範 |
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好 我想委員 如果有資料盡量給我們然後我們來做 像你去了解地方稅務局的一個執行情形然後來做一些協助這樣好不好是 因為我想農民都很辛苦啦過去這樣打扮一輩子 地形地貿沒有改變但是因為現在隨著工商發展 都會發展卻必須要面臨 還被追繳五年的地價稅實在很不公平啦是 好 那委員把資料給我們 我們去協助做一些處理好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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謝謝許委員下一位請林楚英委員質詢謝謝主席主席有請莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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我今天要問的題目其實前面蠻多委員都已經提示了那就是有關於國票金經營權的這個問題我想身為執政黨的委員我有必要在這裡針對這個題目對於財政部或對部長您提出一些警醒跟提醒您在去年的12月10號的時候有講過了就是 |
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針對國票金的這個部分會根據內部的財務規劃所以去購買國票金的股票接下來不會圖利也會依照實利原則來處理言下之意就是說未來在新的股東會組成之後現在已經買到我們在國票金佔有的持股大概是20%還是多少 |
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我們的公股行貨加起來總共是19.3%好 19.3% 將近20% 言下之意會是一個最大股對不對 |
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這個部分要看他們股權內部的結構對好我的意思就是說我想今天國票金到底為什麼需要公股以及我們泛公股包括國營企業一起來進去是什麼原因財政部的考量到底是什麼因為這個顯然是像媒體所說的要讓他由民轉工原因到底是什麼 |
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跟委員報告我們所謂公股事業他去轉投資相關的事業有他內部的規範而且目前在國票金裡面第一銀行跟合庫銀行都有各派了一名董事以及推薦一名獨立董事那所以這次的買進呢是根據他們內部的規劃來做的那後續當然在5月29號召開股東會的時候我們的公股會憑著他的實力來取得相關的 |
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來做選任董事我想這個部分是一個很方向確定的是這樣就一個實力原則來取得董事的席次啊好我記得本席其實在去年的時候曾經也關心過這個題目雖然我來不及來這邊質詢但是當時我就提醒了那就是當公股販公股不斷的進入這個國票金之後它造成的是一波股價的拉抬 |
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那麼這個股價的拉抬大你有買股價就會升這是必然的但是後來從這幾天我們陸續看到的是 |
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媒體特別點到了那就是依照公司治理現在現有的國票金的結構當然對於我們財政部或是公股來說當然沒有實力來針對公司治理當中的董事長總經理甚至於橫空出事的這個副董事長來多做決定 |
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我想剛剛的詢答的時候你們也都特別提到了會以未來五月之後所新組成的董事會來做安排我在這裡要提醒的就是媒體已經扣上了所謂圖利特定 |
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的財團或是集團我請部長要好好的思考五月之後股東會你所謂的包括 |
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公股所佔有的股東的比例董事會的比例如何然後怎麼樣在公司治理當中要不要多一個所謂的副董事長因為我想站在這裡的每一位都非常清楚公司治理那就是 |
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董事長總經理是一個常態當你多出一個副董事長的時候聽誰的那麼有沒有一個非常好的職權上面的劃分再來是接下來在這樣的一個狀況底下的時候外界都會放大來看 |
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接下來的董事會如何來做董事的要求以及職務上的安排我也曾經詢問過才真不跟我講的是說啊依照現在的這個規章啊要由新的董事會來決定才能夠將這些章程等等來做一些更動我都同意因為現在所有媒體的警訊 |
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包括今天站在這裡不分朝野的委員所提出來的都是提醒財政部不要真的媒體寫的就對了那如果是這樣的話不只全民在看包括相關的檢調單位也都會在看我身為一個立法委員尤其是執政黨的立委我相信財政部 |
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有他的立場有他的所謂他想達到的政策目的我都支持但是手法手段還有就是我們已經買到將近兩成的時候所謂的結盟要給盟友 |
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該有的所謂的位子、職稱等等這些都要非常小心跟謹慎因為我必須要提醒台下做了非常多的公股、航庫的董總他們的薪資水平跟薪資結構是怎麼樣我想這個預算書攤開大家都看得清清楚楚所以說身為執政委員 |
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我話就說到這裡因為朝委已經站起來了謝謝林委員我提醒小心手法手段都要合法合規也不會圖利特定的財團謝謝謝謝林委員下一位質詢委員何新淳委員何新淳委員何新淳委員不在請下一位謝依鳳委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我想要請莊部長請財政部莊部長 |
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我想請問一下因為主計處已經調高今年的經濟成長率到7.71%那去年你在估算的時候可能沒有預計到說我們的經濟成長有可能是有這麼高那我想請問一下你覺得今年的稅收會不會超徵 |
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跟委員報告一般所謂的我們的時增數超過預算數可是今年的總預算還沒有審所以我們的稅客收入的預算數目前來說只是一個預算案數並不是最後的法定預算我們當然在稅收的部分依法來再收取可是即便是總預算通過不會改了吧總預算的過程當中當然委員會也會做討論 |
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所以還會改嗎?我們會跟委員們一起討論,往年也都會有所調整所以你會提高?往年也會按委員會做討論所以有可能會提高嗎?往年也都會有調整的有可能會提高嗎?那看委員會討論的時候,以及黨團協商的時候那你覺得按照現在的組織一種促歸 |
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推估的這個經濟成長率你覺得會不會提高以理財政部這個部分我們當然會隨時會去按照整個經濟的情勢的一個變化以及上市櫃公司的營收那如果按照現在目前的預算數 |
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的話暗數對 遇上暗數的話那會不會有超增這個部分我們必須要再算而且目前來說你現在沒有算嗎還在年初因為真正的大筆稅額是要到五月六月會出來以及九月那個時候才會比較看得出來宋署長你有沒有算了部長他不說你有沒有算你沒算嗎宋署長你沒算嗎我們會持續的關注宋署長你沒算嗎 |
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報告委員因為委員講的是調高今年的經濟成長率不是對我是說會不會有可能影響到就是說稅收跟去年我跟委員報告是因為我們現在稅收的大筆大概超過二分之一都來自所得稅可是我們所得稅是落後申報所以今年的經濟成長率調高會反映到明年會跟今年的運送數還沒有完全相關那我們現在是去年的 |
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譬如說上市櫃公司獲利的情形跟整個民眾的所得的情形那這個我們在委員會大家在討論的時候你們二月的那個就是說股市交易稅已經 |
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有超徵的嘛對不對對增交稅有但是因為他他有時候是有起伏的有起伏那這個一般根據往例都會滾就在審議的時候委員會會有適當時的狀況做一些調整所以你都沒算 |
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所以沒算委員在審預算的時候我們當然會再做會再來做一些看看那個目前執行的情形好所以其實今年的那個證交稅已經二月到目前為止已經有就是超徵的這個情況了是不是那如果再加上其他的稅率那希望說委員會的時候大家可以拿出來討論再來就是兆元投資 |
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的這個計劃投資方案我想請教因為我那天去問了國發會他們都沒有提到目前我們希望把保險業的資金引入公建有可能就是說我們的稅收有可能沒有辦法因應的時候或者是我們有特別預算等等都會 |
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會支應嘛那我們是不是有辦法把這個保險業的資金引進到我們的公共投資那你們財政部有沒有方案有沒有具體的方案讓就是保險業的資金能夠投資台灣的公共建設呢 |
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是委員提到造園投資方案造園投資方案裡面有三大個策略主軸第一個就是創新促餐推動機制這個部分財政部很重要就是要彙整案源也就是說你要資金進來至少要有案子還有案子可以投資對不對所以我們目前有一個促餐平台第一個 |
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除了政府機關中央部會或地方政府提出相關的畜産案之外我們在平台上會公布讓大家知道這個案源另外我們也會接受民間可以主動提案他要來推動這樣的一個公共建設然後我們會在平台上顯示而且我們有個畜産專案辦公室去媒合或去輔導案子能夠成功 |
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這是一個 另外一個在就是金管會這個部分他就會去修正相關的法規或者是一些風險係數權數來讓那個保險業資金可以進入公共建設那你們現在目前最大的案源多少最大的案源是已經 您是指已經簽約的對不對已經簽約的我們可以請你們最大的案源多少那整體的案源有沒有超過兆元 |
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整體的案源這個部分我們來看一下我想幾個統計數字由我們促參司司長來跟您報告好不好我又好那我們大概去年保險業投資就是我們的促參案的部分其實去年大概最大的一個案源是高雄市的AEI的一個焚化爐大概有165億 |
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那最大的案源165億那另外還有還有一個是新竹縣的一個物流中心有125億大概這兩個案源大概加起來是290億左右保險業的資金有十幾兆結果我們最大的案源只有一百多億那怎麼樣子讓保險業能夠留在台灣投資促進台灣的公共建設呢我覺得這個部分 |
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財政部以及相關部會要進行進一步的研討那你沒有有效的計畫就沒有辦法把資金留在台灣尤其現在我們在中東地區的資金曝險的這個部位這麼高的情況下你沒有有效的利用這一次的機會把資金引回來台灣的話那就沒有辦法讓 |
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就是說你沒有提供足夠的岸緣就沒有辦法把資金運回台灣好不好趙委已經站起來了是我想趙委統治黨積極在推動當中本席在這邊再次請財政部要注意用詞沒有超增這兩個字是實收數超過預算數謝謝請下一位委員陳玉珍委員質詢 |
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蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在請邱志維委員邱志維委員邱志維委員不在請陳玉珍委員質詢謝謝主席請這個部長複稅署請財政部莊部長複稅署受署長 |
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副市長好 跟您討論過很多次副市長討論過我們離島地區金門現在是免稅現在要改成零稅率這個議題討論過很多次副市長有回正式的公文給本席我們來想看看副市長回文的內容目的我們還可以做用 |
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全球的標準來想一下有關離島地區如何打造成一個高度競爭力的一個特殊經濟發展區我們看一下全世界的這個很多的這個方法在西班牙的這個加納利群島是企業所的稅率4%葡萄牙的馬德拉島是保障到2028年是5%義大利的南部島嶼它是購置機械設備稅收抵免那世界各國 |
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跟我們中華民國這個離島稅制的比較像日本也有離島歐洲各國也有那還有我們這邊那戰略目標日本來做他是做用這個為了產業振興對抗人口流失 |
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那歐洲是為了吸引外部資本作為國際門戶那當然我們這個中華民國這邊做的是要增進住民的福祉要促進觀光嘛對我們澎湖金門八祖大概是都是這樣的做法那日本的核心機制是加速折舊歐洲是極低的法輪稅那我們這邊像我們金門現在是免稅嘛免稅免營業稅 |
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各種基地的邏輯日本做地緣說服歐洲是做吸引總部的進駐我們基本這邊是做要用終端減免回饋我們在地居民產業策略的比較來講一個是生產取向日本歐洲是創新基地的取向我們來看看我講這些講這麼多 |
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想這麼多事要看說現在我們的做法是偏重在終端的消費減免就沒有像日本像歐洲這樣的做法那差別在哪裡我講一下就缺乏對生產性設施的統治這個所得稅其實像剛剛這個日本做的那接著 |
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臺灣這邊對免稅程序行政負擔很重要準備很詳細的章節然後我們離島的企業面對大規模一些設備更新就沒有辦法優化我們的現金流我講更實際現在是 |
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我們進口金門地區的廠商進口就是台灣地區進來的東西台灣過來的東西要5%的進向稅額但是沒有辦法抵免對不對現在免稅是這樣對不對那個署長你知道嗎是不是這樣子 |
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她等於是 不能抵免 她等於是免在大陸早就去加擠的部分後端 金門再賣給金門免嘛在台灣來的東西 台灣島來的東西是沒有免的嘛 對不對就會變成成本嘛 對不對我現在寫的這樣就變成成本啊那因為 你看喔 那事實上 |
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你看喔 你說我們的東西我們基本在地就沒有生產什麼東西啊幾乎所有東西都要從台灣進口啊都要從台灣島進來啊所以你沒有辦法扣底的話事實上這個整個成本變成了這個成本嘛就不是不能進向這個扣底就變成成本所以它還是變成了大概有3%的這個隱形成本嘛 |
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對吧 我這個說 我這個做圖這個沒錯嘛因為離島不管是工程啊 產業 各種百分之七十幾乎沒有在地產的東西啊大部分東西都是要從台灣島進過來啊那所以它還是變成那個成本啊 |
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沒有對地區有怎樣的幫助啊所以我一直在主張說我們改成零稅率嘛我們改成零稅率齁那把免徵營稅改成零稅率嘛那就是變成這個可以扣抵以後然後接著就可以消除這些隱形成本啊那反正東西 |
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還是要從台灣過來嘛那你沒有跟我正式回覆 你們回覆是這樣子來 你回覆我下面幾點第一個零稅率僅適用於外銷下面都是你們回答的但是國際上把離島作為補償地理劣勢的戰略性特區嘛那本來就是視同外銷之味促進開發當地啊第二個你們說業者不會轉向本島進貨錯啦 因為所有東西本來就是本島進來的啊 |
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你不管你是哪一種所以他就當地沒有就是大部分東西都是要運過運到金門當地以金門來講都是要運過來馬祖當然大部分也都是一樣嘛人道產的東西少之又少啊這個沒問題吧我想這一點沒問題吧 |
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那個署長不要跟我再講你看咧報告委員我們這樣想像一個像我們講旅館好了旅館它就是屬於當地性的那個旅館是服務的部分嘛對不對 後端旅館是什麼服務就算旅館的服務它裡面要的東西 |
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也都要從台灣本島進來啊如果要蓋起來就要有建材建材也要從台灣進來啊一個東西大部分除了當地人力提供的服務以外人力的齁所有東西都要從台灣過來嘛 |
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我把你這些講完嘛所以我說了70%嘛 他們都是要從台灣來就算我們是一瓶酒 我們的酒瓶也要從台灣來我們的高粱小麥什麼都要過來 只有這邊連蒸那個高粱的鍋子也要從台灣來啊當地都沒有在生產這個東西啊 |
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13782.4 |
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那所有這些東西這樣都疊加起來啊對不對所以我們一直要爭取這個從九十一年離島經濟條約弄這個免稅那當地廠商沒有獲得實質好處一直在希望可能零稅你們的論點就是說那就要轉成像這個 |
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13784.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
13800.289 |
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就是轉成像本島軍我本來就從本島軍所以你們這個論點是不存在的來 下一頁 你看喔你們擔心設立虛擬稅籍套利嘛這是你們說的喔問題是這可以監管啊這麼小 離島都是很小的地方是不是真的有涉及查很容易啊 |
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13801.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
13824.622 |
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做監管非常非常容易啊非常非常容易一家公司是不是有在當地確實營運是很容易查得出來很小的地方這個居選鄉文啊誰家的小孩子明天做什麼的後天都全金門都會知道這個就是一個小地方所以事實上你要去做行政監管沒有那麼困難喔你不能因為這樣in your face然後最後你說減少7.7億元的稅收問題是 |
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13826.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
13843.904 |
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如果我們讓這個產業在地方覺得這樣投資是有利的後面會更好啊比如說我講這個我們做這個證交稅嘛對不對我們不是減那個證交稅後面產生的這個稅整個稅基更大整體的稅收事實上會遠超過這個營業稅你說的這個7.7億的損失啊 |
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13873.534 |
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是不是 然後接著你又提說要求偏鄉其他偏鄉會比照不會啊 因為離島跟偏鄉不一樣啊偏鄉是到得了的地方啊離島是所有東西大部分都到不了的地方沒有那麼容易啊然後最後你還講一個比較說影響什麼發票對象小的這個容易啊 小確幸這個容易嘛不然你就編個預算裡頭再做一個基金啊或者把它列入那個給獎的這個辦法後面這個就比較小的這個問題嘛 |
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13875.535 |
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13891.17 |
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所以你看國際上的案例國際上歐洲也好德國啦 義大利啦 芬蘭啦 希臘他們都有做這些事情都有做這些那個減免的食物這個家賃約稅的排除嘛然後你看日本的案例也是日本也有這種這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
13905.829 |
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加速折舊的誘因嘛我剛已經舉了很多國家的例子全世界都有了齁這個都有舉這些例子的所以你對離島的發展你不能只從你剛講的那幾點我覺得那幾點都是不成立的啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
13928.572 |
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請說我很快的跟您回應一下據說離島跟本島這樣比七成是從本島進三成在大地所以你給這個就沒有誘因嘛如果離島發展你給這個免稅這個東西它還是變成成本嘛沒有辦法扣你一百 |
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| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
13954.037 |
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我們現在講的是說你還是比本島的營業人少了三成的營業稅吧這第一點第二點我們就以牛肉乾為例像我知道的現在不是三成啦錯錯錯是三趴兩趴對啦我的意思是說營業稅收成營業稅收成三成三成會補給等於會減掉三成的營業稅啦不是不是你剛剛說三成是我說的是百分之七十中從本島進來 |
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13955.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
13983.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
所以有三成我們要照顧是全面性的嘛全面性的但是我們在講的是本島跟離島之間看你要差到多少2%嘛5%就少3%3%還是成本就是2%啊議委剛剛提供的其他國家的資料你看它也只有部分減或它排除加值稅並不代表它不課其他的稅那剛才講的加速折救或出稅優惠之類的我們現在產業創新條提供的是所有地方都可以用 |
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13983.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
13985.222 |
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民國90年給離島經濟條約要做免稅就是為了給誘因希望有人願意去離島投資也好 設廠也好促進離島的產業發展嘛 |
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14002.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14029.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
你現在實驗了二十幾年以後當地的居民都覺得這個東西可能在當初立法的時候是有錯誤我有跟你們討論過吧那大家都覺得事實上這個就沒有免稅大然後外面來的還以為說是免稅是少5%事實上沒有因為他就不能扣抵說還是事實上如果有的話他大概是有2%的差距嘛那這個誘因的確就是不足嘛那我剛舉了這麼多例子喔不管是歐洲例子日本例子各國的例子喔就是要讓你知道說就是讓你知道說齁這個 |
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14031.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14054.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
要促進離島的產業發展可能你要好好的再想看看那我請你就是針對因為世界各國這些都講了針對世界各國你已經回答我這些我也反駁你這些你已經提給我的報告了所以請你針對世界各國針對離島地區的這個稅制優惠你提出一個可以讓我們台澎金馬接近的改革方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
14056.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14069.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
按照兩個月是吧兩個月可以給我就是按照你看看世界各國他都是為了促進產業發展現在我跟你講說現在這個制度就是比較不可行好嗎所以我們希望爭取到是零稅率好嗎謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
14071.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14074.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
今天登記發言委員均與詢答完畢現在處理臨時提案共六案請議事人員宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
14096.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14115.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
案由一 鑒於財政部於二零二九年全面取消免用統一發票制度要求月營業額達新台幣二十萬元之微型餐飲業者如小吃店、便當店、夜市攤販等均需開立統一發票然查月營業額二十萬元之門檻以多年未作調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14116.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14132.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
近年國內面臨基本工資連年大幅調升水電雙漲及原物料價格飆漲微型業者營運成本急劇攀升今日之二十萬元營業額實為通膨推升之結果並非業者實質盡力增加若財政部將手就有門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
14133.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
14152.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
致使業者營業稅率由1%劇增至5%並衍生額外行政成本勢必迫使業者將成本全數轉嫁至終端消費市場導致便當、小吃全面漲價至小吃通膨進一步惡化一般壽星節請各位列席人員保持安靜好不好現在在宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
14153.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
14182.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
基層民生穩定終端物價並考量微型餐商導入行動支付等數位轉型需時甚長建請財政部於一個月內依據近年通膨指數與基本工資漲幅研議將免用統一發票至月營業額門檻由現行20萬元合理上調至40萬元並將政策輔導與緩衝期由三年務實延長至五年向本委員會提出具體研議報告與配套措施提案人賴氏寶林德福 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
14182.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14206.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
李彥秀 顏寬恆 廖偉祥案由二查現行統一發票使用辦法規定小規模營業人每月營業額未達新台幣20萬元者得免開統一發票為該20萬元之門檻標準 系於民國75年所訂定迄今將近40年未曾調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
14207.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
14230.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
期间国内基本工资与消费者物价指数CPI已大幅攀升现今每月营业额20万元扣除高昂值店面租金与人事薪资后往往仅能勉强维持营运若财政部仍固守40年前之旧标准检视现代基层小店并强行推动118年起月营收达20万支大众化餐饮业全面开立发票新制 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
14230.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
14252.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
恐迫使微型業者將暴增至5%營業稅及電子支付建制成本全數轉嫁與消費者勢必引爆新一波外食費通膨危機再者動用大量基層稅務人員稽查僅在生存線邊緣之微型餐飲業圖號型正量能使有為激增經濟原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
14253.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
14269.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
為此,原建請財政部於一個月內針對小規模營業人免用統一發票門檻上調進行精算並向立法院財政委員會提出小規模營業人免用統一發票門檻上調對於稅基影響與激增成本評估之書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
14272.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
14285.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
維護基層危行企業生存權利防堵民生物價通膨惡化並促使國家稅捐基增資源得以做更有效率之合力配置提案人李燕秀 賴世寶 嚴寬恒 廖偉祥 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
14286.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
14302.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
案由三,有鉴于我国少子女化情形严重,国发会预估2028年人口红利将正式结束,届时我国工作年龄占总人口比将不足三分之二,考量我国综合所得税难以工作, |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
14302.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
14329.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
人口数为其税基牵涉我国营业税收入之消费行为亦与人口数有密切关联工作年龄人口数亦影响我国盈利事业之经营模式与其汇率多寡复考量超高龄社会后我国高龄人口将会大幅增加其收入所连杀之遗产与相关税制是否能顺利达成财富重分配目标亦有密切关联与少子女化、超高龄化 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
14330.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
14354.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
社會來臨後,我國綜合所得稅、營業稅、營利事業所得稅以及遺產稅等各項稅制均有所衝擊財政部引以做好長期準備,原建請財政部就掃子女化對我國各項稅制之影響展開研議並於一個月內就相關營業方向實成與應商討之議題,做成書面報告送交財政委員會提案人賴會員李坤澄、林黛華、吳秉瑞 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
14356.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
14372.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
案由四,房地合一稅之立法目的在於抑制短期炒作不動產,落實居住正義及維護租稅公平,現請房地合一課徵所得稅稅課收入分配及運用辦法,規定該稅收可用於長照政策及 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
14373.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
14393.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
住宅政策但僅規定任意用途不得低於10%目前房地合一稅用於住宅政策實際僅27%其餘80%用於長照政策考量當初修法之目的是為了落實居住正義而新建社會住宅又是落實居住正義之重要政策為了充實新辦社會住宅資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
14394.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
14412.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
房地合一稅用於住宅政策之比率因失如調高 原要求財政部於一個月內會商相關部會向行政院建議將撥給住宅政策比率提高到50%以上提案人 郭國文 連署人 林黛樺 賴慧媛 吳秉瑞案有五 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
14414.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
14421.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
財政部於113年12月12日修正發布小規模營業人營業稅起徵點自114年1月1日起買賣業等銷售貨物業別起徵點調高至每月銷售額10萬元裝潢業等銷售勞務業別起徵點調高至每月銷售額5萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
14431.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
14448.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
然而外界呼籲已久的小商家開立發票門檻每月營業額20萬元卻未能同步調整考量20萬元之標準自75年實施以來已經40年未調整期間物價與工資大幅上漲為了簡化激增程序減輕營業人 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
14449.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
14473.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
遵從成本及激增機關激增成本建請財政部應延續將開立發票門檻至少比照起徵點調幅調高至25萬元以上提案人 郭國文 林黛樺 賴慧芸吳秉瑞案由6 財政部於114年12月12日修正發布查定課徵營業人使用行動支付及多媒體資訊服務及適用租稅優惠作業規範將 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
14478.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
14498.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
優惠措施延長至117年,的確從實在未經社會溝通討論的情形下突襲將激增機關核定營業性質特殊,營業人使用統一發票作業要點廢止。月營業額20萬元以上大眾化消費飲食店將於118年起全面使用發票,引發民眾恐慌,恐進一步全面帶動物價上漲。 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
14499.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
14526.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
影響所及絕非財政部所宣稱5300家而已考量現行作業要點已有輔導上加使用發票之做法行之有年且民眾易於接受原要求財政部應重新考量影響層面落實檢政變民之稅捐激增精神於一年內重新檢討恢復現行以輔導代替強制之做法提案人郭國文 連署人林黛華 賴慧媛 吳秉瑞宣讀完畢 |
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14528.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
14551.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
好 那現在一個案子一個案子來第一個提案是不是有文字修正請財政部長第一個提案我們跟委員做了相關的協調我們是不是建議做以下的一個修正就是在倒數的 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
14552.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
14569.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
第四行 第五行的部分 建請財政部於兩個月內就一個月改為兩個月然後呢在倒數的第二行在那個由三年十五延長至五年後面增加則可行信四個字然後 |
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14570.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
14595.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
以及向財政委員會提出書面報告大概就是具體研議這四個字修正為書面報告這樣子那後面的配套錯與配套措施而委員也提案委員同意能夠做以後就把它刪掉是做這樣的調整修正以上有沒有意見沒有的話照財政部的意見通過第二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
14601.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
14622.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
第二案的部分財政部也跟提案委員做了一個溝通協調也就是提案委員同意就是在倒數的第六行也就把一個月修正為兩個月這樣的一個時間有沒有意見沒有意見 照財政部意見通過第三案第三案的部分其實就是一個人數所以就是倒數第二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
14633.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
14640.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
那個字是錯別字啦 應該意思於有沒有意見沒有意見在財政部意見通過第四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
14649.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
14664.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
於兩個月內會商相關部會研議將撥給住宅政策比率提高之可行性做這樣調整 沒意見沒意見 照財政部意見通過第五案 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
14673.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
14699.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
他是研議案嘛如果沒有意見的話就就遵照辦理就好了請你研究沒有說現在要答應第五案我們遵照辦理好第五案通過第六案第六案我們是建議在倒數兩行我們做這樣的一個建議就於一年內提出評估報告那至於那個內後面的幾個文字做這樣子那個替代評估檢討報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
14702.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
14717.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
再說一次好不好 對不起好 就是說倒數第二行就是後面的於一年內提出評估檢討報告那後面有關那個重新檢討那些文字都就不用了各位也沒有意見沒有意見 照財政部意見通過好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
14732.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
14756.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
本次會議作成如下決定一 報告及詢答完畢二 委員會質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請在任務一周內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從即鎖定三 委員王世堅 蘇清泉 楊瓊英 邱志偉所提書面質詢均列入紀錄刊登公報並請在任務以書面答覆四 本次會議議程已進行完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
14757.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
14760.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
堂友不在場委員補題順便質詢一併列入紀錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理現在散會 |