| IVOD_ID |
17294 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17294 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-24T08:32:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-24T16:06:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:33:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6091ed24286edeb25bfbd9399736f1e161f44e0a145e6cc6f0fff9f28b4a1ffae0f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「對本院內政委員會召集委員李柏毅115年3月16日主持會議時之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責，並將李柏毅委員移送紀律委員會。嚴正要求民進黨政府：停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治，停止對陸配與新住民的歧視、打壓與追殺。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月20日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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法院會現在繼續開會對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢在進行質詢之前先請秘書長報告部會首長請假行刑 |
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報告院會行政院來函林政務委員明欣下午應公請假馬政務委員永成下午應公請假外交部林部長佳龍下午應公請假由吳次長置中代表列席國防部顧部長立雄下午應公請假由徐副部長施檢代表列席數位發展部林部長黎靜 |
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本日應公請假由楊次長嘉琳代表列席國家科學及技術委員會吳主任委員陳文尚文應公請假由林副主任委員華正代表列席報告完畢現在請陳委員停飛質詢謝謝副院長我們是請我們左院長 |
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請左院長備詢 |
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陳委員好主委員長謝謝我想捷運是台南非常期待的一個重要交通建設也是我們賴清德市長還有賴清德院長現在的賴清德總統一直在提點希望台南有一個不一樣的改變我相信捷運就是我們的期待 |
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而且在六度當中我們看到現在每一個地方都在推動捷運可是我們的捷運好像有一點點的緩慢那這個緩慢就是一個原因 |
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他所說的我們運量還有財務風險那我今天就要就這個運量跟財務風險跟我們的院長還有部長來交換一下意見我覺得如果沒有這個問題解開中央跟地方的穩就來來去去永遠都沒有一個結論因為中央跟地方其實完全在一個不同的平台 |
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地方永遠是最了解我們需要是什麼可是在文當中沒有辦法很清楚地寫得一清二楚所以我藉著今天這個機會我希望我們的院長跟部長可以溝通我們所有的團隊包括行政院的團隊我們交通部的團隊 國發會我們一起往這個方向來進行 |
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我想我今天做了一張非常完整的圖這個完整的圖就是要讓院長跟部長很清楚的了解 |
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我想這一張圖 我把我們整個台南目前規劃的所有的路線都把它畫出來目前有藍線第一期 還有藍線延伸線我們的深綠線 我們的紅線 我們的綠線跟黃線 |
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但是現在第一起藍線在我們當時候賴清德院長核定到今年10月才有可能要發包才有可能這是未知數是照時程來走可能如果沒有的話有可能延到明年 |
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等於是多久89年89年我們才可以看到一段一段從永康到東區轉運到仁德轉運站這麼一段可是院長部長你們清楚嗎這一段運量會出來嗎這麼一段 |
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它的效益會出來嗎它如果沒有把它變成半環狀我不期待在短時間變成環狀只有半環狀 |
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所以我們希望哪裡好施工為什麼我們台南會推藍線的延伸深綠線跟紅線因為這裡目前施工方面比較沒有爭議而且在這個部分你知道它的延伸線藍線的延伸線是要接到高鐵 |
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如果轉運站接到高鐵它的效益會不會出來會然後我們還有一條深綠線這一條深綠線是從南科123接到我們現在在推動的沙崙南科4這一條深綠線 |
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那麼如果我們把它串接起來再連接到藍線的延伸線接到高鐵效益會不會出來一定出來呀然後再接紅線紅線就是接高雄就是跨縣市那如果說為什麼我們要把紅線先來推動我們知道高雄現在推機場捷運線 |
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如果我們這一條把它做起來了在未來接到機場捷運線這效益出不出來出得來因為它可以串聯我們的轉運站我們的高鐵還有機場 |
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這叫未雨綢繆啊當然中央現在看到一片的空地都覺得請問效益在哪聽不懂我們地方所說的或許他們也沒有像停飛這樣子把它整個串聯起來去做一個很好的縮貼可是現在的問題是每一條路線它都是個別 |
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然後提出可行性評估給我們的行政院跟交通部他們沒有辦法像我們這樣子把它串聯起來所以你知道包括藍線的延伸線深綠線跟紅線這三條都是在去年都已經送了可行性評估給了我們交通部 |
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可是我們行政院就依照說運量不足還有財政規劃就這兩個我認為如果是這兩個理由在我們的公文裡面基本上就來來去去了我們怎麼寫也寫不到你們所要的運量寫不到你們所謂的財政規劃 |
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你跟我們說要從舊城區開始你知道這個叫沒有專業的說法舊城區你知道舊城區的施工多難嗎 |
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你們卻叫我們一定要在第二條往一個最難需要溝通的路線去走綠線在3月20號才送出議會而已 |
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結果你叫我們從綠線開始前面這三條都已經在行政院了你們卻不准給我們那我都不知道說未來到底我們要等幾個八年一條藍線等八年那請問我們的藍線的延伸深綠線 紅線在去年這三條早就已經送到交通部了 |
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你們都一句話運量財務規劃這兩個就把我們打死了院長我今天會利用時間來拜託您拜託因為你們從地方來的不論是院長或是部長你們都有基層的經驗 |
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我相信基層跟坐在辦公室規劃的人一定不一樣因為基層他知道我們未來性在哪裡我們施工的重點在哪裡絕對不是坐在辦公室然後用頭腦裡面想說哇 我的捷運在台南我要怎麼畫如果有這麼簡單我們不用等那麼久 |
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如果這麼簡單我們的鐵路地下化不用等一二十年這個其實都需要從溝通溝通再溝通所以為什麼今天我要拜託院長還有我們的部長轉一下轉一下不要再公文來來去去我們早來大家談好 |
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我們希望趕快核定深綠線核定藍線的延伸接到高鐵然後在紅線接高雄讓我們趕快過那下一個階段就是我們的綠線我們一定要一步一步來如果我們沒有把前面這個效益願景做出來綠線很難溝通 |
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因為大家會覺得為什麼要從我們這邊開始你從舊城區你知道要做多少的溝通嗎但是如果他看到了我們整個願景那就不一樣了有了願景的溝通跟沒有願景的溝通 |
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那個所花費的力道要加成所以院長這個部分是不是可以給我們的時間點否則你知道我真的是不好意思說你知道來來回回退了幾次嗎所以我希望我們是可以接續上來的 |
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如果我們的藍線第一起藍線發包了我都拜託黃偉哲市長說拜託你無論怎麼樣藍線第一起藍線在你的任內一定要趕快把它發包出去我們才能再接續但是它發包完如果我們後續的路線沒有核定也是沒有用啊 |
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所以院長 部長這個部分你們怎麼看法是不是部長先說明現在重要的程序進行到哪裡我們再來做最終的一個討論像委員報告現在我們的藍線第一期當然進度比較快它目前正在基本設計當中那基本設計目前當然也要中央審議交通部已經送到行政院工程會那工程會在審議當中如果工程會審完大概它的發包的日期要開工的日期就會比較確定這個部分是這個樣子 |
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那您剛剛有提到藍線延伸紅線深綠線跟綠線的部分目前都在可行性研究當中但坦白說我覺得它的起步有點晚那您今天有提到我就會特別來去了解因為沒有錯您有提到說未來整個大台南的都市發展我們要看的是願景所以那個運量我們也會跟市政府溝通因為這個市政府要自己提出來未來的願景它會造成運量的提升那它就可以在計畫裡面把它寫清楚 |
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他只要寫清楚我們這邊應該都專業審查的過程都一定會通過這個是沒有問題您今天有提到一整盤的未來的規劃那這一整盤我回去部裡面之後我會請鐵道局過來那我一項一項來了解看怎麼樣協助來解套或者是怎麼樣協助來溝通這個部分我們會來協助 |
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要拜託部長因為我會再一次請市政府跟交通部坐下來針對這個部分把它的一個所謂的Gap把它接續起來我覺得這比較重要所以這個部分因為行政院給我們的就是卡債運量跟財務規劃所以院長 |
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好 謝謝陳委員站在這種市政的高度長遠的視角來希望形成一個交通的路網是極端重要百年以來所有重大的建設都是從軌道開始才能造成一個城市一個地區的長遠的發展台北市而言過去三四十年前只有一條木柵線運量絕對有限後來路網形成是現在最為便利的那麼今年的2月11號 |
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藍線的基本設計報告已經交給工程會我會要求工程會緊速來排定所有審議的內容那麼我希望說如果二月已經到了那工程會的時間能夠加緊快的話藍線我們期待今年能夠給台南的鄉親有一個重大的進展能夠順利的來推動我們希望十月可以發包我們請工程會 |
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南縣基本設計大致已經開過會了一季四月中會到台南縣看然後如果委員同意那就審查基本設計審查通過那就可以進行發包作業我們希望四月中就是說我們前面的程序如果都按部就班就已經完成了那麼我們十月就有機會可以發包 |
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4月中會去現刊如果委員覺得沒有實際上審查沒問題的基本設計就審查通過就可以進行發包作業我想就看市政府他規劃怎麼發包 |
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我們希望如果像我們主委所說的一切都順利是可以提早的話我們樂觀其成要不然如果依照整個程序他們給我們的大概是預計十月那如果像我們的主委這麼說四月希望馬上安排現刊如果委員都沒有意見的話有可能會提早 |
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那我相信這給台南真的是太棒對 我會去督促台南市政府說這個程序要趕快那針對其他的路線 |
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關於其他包括紅線、深綠線跟綠線我也希望交通部能夠在給地方政府的溝通當中以剛剛我說的軌道先行幫助產業的發展尤其是我們現在大南方新矽谷是用沙崙跟高雄這雙頭馬車在帶動所以一定要把它串聯起來用這樣的觀念跟這樣的一個視野來看未來在地方溝通的意見當中互相取得高度的共識 |
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所以要拜託就是說我們的重大建設都在這裡如果軌道串聯起來我相信這邊的發展再連接到高雄再連接南科123到沙崙的市區這個才有一個未來的科技軌道的一個發展所以院長我今天會利用時間就說我把它做得很完整 |
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我調了所有的資料,把它完成好,謝謝陳委員,謝謝卓院長下一位我們請萬美梨委員質詢 |
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好謝謝副院長我們有請卓院長好請卓院長備詢各位好 |
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好 卓院長早我想民進黨過去一直都是抱著非核家園的神主牌在這整個過程當中可以說為了反核也不惜撕裂台灣社會那麼再過去我們把很多支持核的人去抹黑成為是反科學不愛台灣這個院長一定也聽過 |
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那同時在去年我們在野黨在修核管法的時候也被汙名化抹紅說我們修核管法是為了要讓中共公台開方便之門那同時在這個修法的過程當中我們所有支持這個修核管法的委員也被 |
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大罷免成為一個最主要的理由所以這是以上我們在過去看核管法的時候但是現在看到賴總統突然間說他是感謝立法院通過核管法的那麼國家政府一定要依法行政當然我們非常樂見他這樣說不過賴信德總統這種政策大轉彎這樣的說法本席想請教一下他有沒有跟院長您事先討論過新聞報告 |
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反核這個議題不是所謂的神主牌而是在過去從環境保護的年代一直到發生多起的核能事件之後整個全球興起這樣一個對核能檢討的觀念運動長抱歉我想這個背景我們了解我只想要知道說這一次這個政策的轉彎賴先生總統這樣的說法事前有沒有跟你溝通或討論過 |
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萬元你應該可以記得我在今年這一次本會期的施政報告當中已經提到了在核光法修法之後我們會啟動必要的程序所以有先跟你討論的意思嗎 對嗎所以賴總統這樣的說法是有先跟你討論過了嗎 |
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我們在一個政策要形成以及依照法律變更之後都跟部會有充分的討論所以您也知道那也有跟部會都討論過但我認為就是說今天有很地方很多民進黨朋友在講說他們的感受上就是你們集體的決策其實拋下了過去一直跟著你們反核的這些支持者 |
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所以這樣子突然的言論事實上也是讓很多民進黨的委員很多的同志你們是殺得他們措手不及甚至於院長您還說這個並沒有丟掉反核的神主牌這大家可以做名詞上解釋可是你還要瞎扯說因為這個非核家園的目標在去年5月就已經達成了那本席今天要在這裡跟您提如果說廚藝就叫做達成非核家園那麼你現在重啟必須提醒你 |
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你就是背棄了你們的反核支持者而且徹底的讓大家看到這是一場為了選舉的一個騙局我想院長你可能要去想一想怎麼樣去跟你們這些反核支持者來道歉跟說明那麼再提到剛才說總統要感謝我們立法院通過核管法不知道院長有沒有提醒我們的總統當時我們所有民進黨委員是全數投下反對票這個您還記得嗎 |
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我曾經說過只要在立法院當中對一個議題的討論是經過民主的程序經過民主的表決沒有違憲違法那就是國家的法律所以你是尊重總統也講說要依法行政所以你說尊重但是我們必須要講說你既然要謝謝謝謝我們通過當時的通過是哪些人當時通過是在野黨院長你今天要不要表達一下對我跟對我們所有當時通過的委員感謝一下 |
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我再強調如果是充分的討論民主的程序我們就講核管法你要感謝一下嗎通過代表國會已經經過充分討論民主程序通過一項不會違憲沒有違法的決議那就是國家的法律我想本席每一次的質詢我覺得都非常的理性而且就事論事但不希望你今天用這樣的方式去耗費我的時間那我認為 |
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既然總統的高度都在講說他是要感謝當時我們通過通過是可以通過民進黨全數投下反對票欸所以你今天沒有要表達一下當時對我們的這些污衊的道歉甚至於罷免我們的道歉嗎而且當時的這個民進黨還講到說欸那沒有關係大罷免大成功之後我們再修法這也是民進黨的委員講的啊是不是所以我覺得你對我們的感謝或對我們的道歉其實應該表達一下的啊院長 |
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我覺得立法院通過很多的法律我們都依法執行總統也公佈了這個都沒有問題我們重點在於法律通過之後行政部門有沒有認認真真的依法執行另外我想要再提醒您就是說今天總統講到要依法行政所以就要再提醒您說我們回憶民意的要求在立法院這裡我們通過的不是只有核管法我想現在還有很多立法院通過三讀通過的法律案也在等著整個行政團隊 |
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要來執行我希望你回去再來檢討一下那當然我想民進黨執政之下的錯誤的能源政策我們也看到了全民都付出了很多的代價這一路以來包括電價大漲電力不穩還有全民買單的事情非常的多那我們看到電價大漲這個部分蔡英文總統其實說過非核家園電價沒有大漲 |
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10年電價不會大漲但事實是什麼事實是執政8年漲了4次漲幅35%35%你還覺得不是大漲30%還不是大漲對不起我現在還沒有叫你回答我現在還沒有叫你回答你尊重一下好不好 |
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所以院長我想有漲幅這是事實今天我在這裡要問一下我們這個禮拜五我們電價審議委員會就要開會了我們也知道現在整個國際的局勢非常不穩定油電都是問題未來穩定物價我們在這個禮拜五的電價審議委員會的開會會不會針對電費的部分動漲 |
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我們都知道國際的情勢現在非常緊張而且變化非常快速每一天都有不同的討論那大概全社會我們都看到國營事業單位在這段時間來對穩定物價安定社會事實上做了很積極的努力所以會不會動漲動不動漲因為這個是屬於電價審議委員會的職責 |
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那行政院到目前為止各部會也都不宜太多我們尊重專業但是我一直相信在國營事業做這麼多積極的穩定電價跟安定社會的狀況之後大家同樣在一個生活的空間一定會以這樣的一個思考好 那針對中油啊中油有指出嘛最近它已經都吸收了三十幾億嘛一共六十幾億了多少 |
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三個禮拜已經65億左右三個禮拜已經60幾億了嘛你看這個數字其實很大那麼我想請教的就是那在下週我們的油價會不會再大漲像昨天的今天的國際油價就有一點跌幅了因照國際情勢變化真的很多那我們隨時緊盯的國際油價依照我們的公式在計算如果在公式計算當中 |
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有超越大家的負擔的話那中油經濟部還會有點的穩定我希望院長在這方面真的要再多用心那再來我們來看到賴總統這次又在講說重啟核電是要因應現況的務實考量 |
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其中提到的就是AI的發展那他說AI的發展所需要的電力超過原來的預估這點我想要請教院長我們台灣是今年才開始要發展AI嗎那之前從來沒有去想過這個供電會不足嗎為什麼還要堅持在去年還要非核家園報告委員從兩年前520賴總統上任之後我們就一直跟經濟部跟台電 |
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啟動所有的檢查機制也都一直的告訴大家在2030、32年之前我們的供電是無虞的那個時候就已經把AI的發展放在裡面 |
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那確實是沒有錯的不是啊但現在賴總統是說我們現在要重啟核電是因為AI發展所需的電力超過原來預估嘛對不對喔那所以喔這個供電不足絕對不是現在才因為AI絕對不是這個理由啊沒有辦法接受我們在現在之前到每一天我們的供電還是相當的安全我的意思是說你用這個理由去講重啟核電這件事情其實是 |
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很難被接受的啦你看嘛經濟部之前自己在這個113年的時候就已經提過全國電力供需的報告當時就在講說AI科技的用電需求會從2023年的24萬千瓦那會暴增到2028會變成224萬千瓦這個數字那個時候就有了所以不是今年才看到這個地方第二個賴總統去年的5月在民進黨中職會上我不知道院長有沒有參與當時他細數非核家園的一個政績 |
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成績他說依照台電的預估就算加上AI台灣到2030年也可以穩定供電所以那時候說可以穩定供電現在又說因為AI的電力超過原本的預估所以不要插話好不好你要懂不懂這個備詢的一個禮貌 |
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你至少等人家把這個問題問完嘛真的要教教你們耶不應該這樣插話院長你今天在講話的時候其實有時候有些冗長但我也沒有去打斷你啊我覺得大家彼此互相尊重嘛好不好所以我想從這點上面看來這就是本席認為就是今年的賴總統打臉了過去的賴主席這點院長怎麼看 |
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並非因為真的國際的情勢變化非常的快又有關稅的談判內需的增加又有國際的戰爭的情勢而且戰爭之後可能要一段時間才會恢復整個國際上油氣供應的這個秩序所以我們是可以預作準備 |
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如果備而不用那最好萬一要用那就有備無患賴總統這次又說因為地緣政治的關係台電的電力建制台灣的電力建制應該要有能源韌性不過這句話我看起來的解讀就是說難道過去我們廢核家園的能源政策韌性是不是就是不足的所以今天談到我們要來加強這個韌性我們看到這次是因為戰爭的關係從來沒有想過這麼遙遠的戰爭會影響全世界甚至於這麼遠的台灣這麼嚴重 |
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所以我們也發現了如果我們只是一再的仰賴天然氣那同時天然氣的儲備量也只有11天那這樣的發電韌性本來就不夠所以以前就應該知道怎麼會現在才拿來講過去台灣一直很有安全的油氣的存量是法定的存量這都沒有問題但是也沒有像最近幾年中共的間接一直在侵擾台灣我們必須為台灣的安全預作更多的防範措施院長 |
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總是這樣子修核管法說為中共開方便之門談任何台灣的民生議題沒話講的時候總是扯到中共中共侵擾台灣本席也認為不對但是我們不應該把所有在台灣裡面的政策不應該把所有我們執政不力或者是民生議題做不好通通就拿一個中共就可以概括過去了這點我希望以後不要至少我在跟你這個質詢的時候不要拿這個來搪塞那接下來我想最後一個 |
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就既然現在要重啟核電了我們在行政院國家永續發展委員會裡面有一個非核家園的推動專案小組那麼這個小組是不是應該廢掉非核家園非核家園還是我們在法律當中應該有的只是他把那個年限拿掉而已所以我們非核家園如果將來我們的 |
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再生能源甚至新式的能源都能夠進來我們是另外一種態度來看它過去我們就完全反核了我們當然我們主張就是能源要多種選擇只是過去你們自己一直堅持反核那現在既然要重啟核電了我想你們回去研議一下這個非核家園推動專案小組你就算不想廢至少名稱跟任務性質內容應該要去做一個修改那最後我想 |
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是不是講一句話目前我們沒有這個廢不廢的問題但未來如果新式核能能夠被大家接受的話全世界商用那新式核能的用途台灣如果可以也討論也使用的話那就是另外一個境界了你可以去做你的詮釋我都尊重但是我必須要講我們過去的這個錯誤政策其實為全民帶來非常大的一個代價的付出那現在你要來檢討能源政策要開放核能樂觀其成但是要往對的方向去繼續好嗎 |
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接下來我想跟院長討論的是關於毒品的問題院長去年12月2號本席在你的臉書上看到你寫說新世代反毒策略實施到現在平均每年毒品使用人數減少一萬一千人對嗎你的臉書行政院隨後發布新聞稿說使用毒品跟新生毒品的人口數呈現逐年下降這兩個對嗎 |
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所以這樣的企圖成效 你在臉書上寫出來這個是一個算滿意是嗎 |
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這絕對不滿意但是這對執法人員是一大鼓勵我們希望他們能夠用認真用力的去打擊不法我同意但是呢這個您看一下您擔任院長之後法務部的統計施用毒品的人數事實上是從111年的43746人增加了2389人來到了46135人所以是不減反增何來的逐年減少這第一個第二個院長 |
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我相信你一定同意這當中還有黑數你一定同意所以如果說我們不檢反針中間還有黑數事實上我是覺得毒品問題太嚴重了我們應該一起努力讓這個問題趕快去解決啦所以不會滿意這樣的結果跟數字使用毒品的人數又以二級毒品包括安非他命大麻等等人數最多那其中現在其實本席很關心的就是我們俗稱的喪屍煙彈這個依託明指這個現在被歸納在二級毒品 |
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而且它是用電子菸來作為吸毒的載具那當電子菸成為毒品的一個載具的時候這連帶的一個問題就是我們吸毒的年齡會往下降那法務部自己的統計18歲到30歲這個年齡層的吸食比例其實現在已經來到了兩成多了而且本席常常都講這個絕對還有黑素在裡面 |
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那你看喔這樣的問題其實對年輕人傷害是非常的大我們現在在校園裡面其實我們又限縮了教師的管教權我都不知道校園的這個毒品的這個防治到底要怎麼做才好然後呢再來我們就看到院長 |
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你也是有發現這個問題的重要性所以在去年6月12您在主持毒品防治會議當中也說要加速修正煙害防治法針對電子煙增訂沒入銷毀的規定衛福部的石部長也說那我們要開始開發電子煙的持有者請問院長 |
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這個很重要嘛那現在的這個目前我們看到整個電子煙現行的法規是規定禁止製造禁止販賣禁止吸食但沒有禁止持有所以其實很難查緝很難開罰所以您提的這個部分我本身很認同但是修法進度現在到哪裡來請施部長說明跟委員說明我們已經拟據了這個修法的條文目前在行政院審查當中準備要送立法院 |
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要快啊 這去年的六月到現在都要一年了還在準備中既然有好的構想加快速度嘛不要一天一天想那些有的沒有的這最重要的法案趕快去進行好不好因為如果我們吸食毒品的人數增加也會衍生出毒價的問題那我們看到113年這個毒價2619件不過到了114年暴增到8659件那光今年1月院長知道今年1月就有多少件嗎 |
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今年1月就1,236件這是很可怕的數字獨駕的嚴重性已經不亞於酒駕了當然啦所以你看高雄那時候還發生了一個大家都矚目的就是因為稀釋了剛才本席所說的依託民旨結果獨駕去撞死了一個三寶麻連你們自己高雄市的陳吉邁市長都說要對獨駕加重修法所以對獨駕加重修法這個院長支持不支持 |
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支持我們覺得強力的取締加重處罰應該是有效的請部長說明這個獨家的確有經過好幾次的一個修法有做一個加重那我想這個在修法這部分因為他獨家如果致人於死或致重傷這部分都有加重處罰的一個規定那我想這個獨家這部分的嚴重性我想我們現在我們非常的一個重心修法要快一點啦好不好 |
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這部分是有修法那個致死的這部分是有修法所有今天本席提到的修法我覺得都要速度加快好嗎而且我們剛剛提到這個尤其是電子菸的部分因為年輕人去涉及的真的太多了我們要知道電子菸對年輕人的傷害輕則就是他吸菸的一個入門的門檻重則就是他吸毒的一個媒介所以這個部分加快速度接下來我想兩個部分都是要談論我們交通的議題 |
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謝謝兩位謝謝院長 鐵路地下化桃園鐵路地下化每一次每一個會席我都要再提但是請您看一下我們桃園鐵路地下化的工程進度這個是鐵道局其實本席固定都會去看官網上面截圖下來為什麼官網突然改版了我突然看不到了預定的工程進度為什麼是因為落後太多不敢呈現嗎 |
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向委員報告因為我們現在正在修正當中我們在修正計畫當中那修正計畫裡面有包含你修正計畫跟你把過去都會一直顯示出來的預定進度把它遮掉為什麼嗎我跟你講你把它遮掉這個數字但你遮掉不掉的是一個延宕落後的一個事實所以這個沒有必要如果您有需要這樣的資料我們隨時可以提供這個沒有問題 |
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鐵路地上化進度落後這件事情每一次我都在講原物料大漲原本規劃的1048億已經不夠了所以要再追加769億但是這個變更計畫從去年的8月20號簽成到行政院到現在7個月了院長您為什麼一直不核定 |
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交通部的這個報告當中我們考慮到很多的因素包括他有一個遺址的文物的遺址古蹟遺址的問題還有就是考慮到現在物價持續的上漲到底工程費如何去核算另外就是他還有一個延伸段是不是延伸段的問題我記憶當中是如此還有延伸 南延段這個部分這加起來變成他現在還在審慎的考量當中 |
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不是吧 院長這個交通部已經把變更計畫已經送了嘛是啦我們剛剛在討論這個內容在院裡面還要討論這個內容交通部的審議如何您剛剛以上所說的三個問題都是舊問題了也在解決當中或是已經解決了的那現在是變更計畫你不核定我們沒有辦法往下走啊 |
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所以我們看過去的問題有沒有解決啊有沒有解決 你問交通部嘛所以現在部裡面 院裡面已經在處理已經有的已經解決了已經有的已經有解決計畫了今天變更計畫還要送到您那裡嘛好 那院長您可以核定我們這個變更計畫嗎我們會照程序來走 現在如果在工程會嗎現在在行政院什麼時候可以核定呢因為這個增加的金額比較大所以還有一些問題還在詢問增加的金額比較大 這是問題嗎 |
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這是財務問題這是什麼樣的財務問題因為中央錢越來越少財化法被分掉很多錢財化法喔我們不要在這裡再吵財化法了啦這是事實啊沒有意義啦我跟你講喔財化法的精神是什麼我覺得在這裡不要去重複啦這個過去要解決城鄉發展不足然後地方資源分配等等財化法賴建成總統在當市長的時候也說要修嘛 |
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對不對鄭文蔡也說要修地方的這些首長都說要修所以在這裡不要炒財化法那你現在不能夠因為我們把這個財化法應該分配給中央的給了他你用另外一隻手去把我們應該有的補助的重大建設經費要回來不應該這樣做啦那何況 |
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院長鐵路是中央應辦的事項而且是國家的重大交通建設這不是單因子桃園市那為什麼這次會有修正計畫送出來為什麼因為工程延宕嘛工程延宕經費增加所以我們才送了這個變更計畫部長沒有錯嘛對不對不是因為延宕而已還有就是對啦還有一些問題嘛你工程延宕才會有後續物料這些挖到穀積所以那個會增加很多的經費 |
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部長工程延宕是鄭文燦市長時代延宕還是張善政延宕還是中央延宕這個工程屬於誰的 |
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這個工程是中央在辦的是嘛,這個工程是中央在辦嘛所以呢,因為各種原因,我不要苛責嘛因為各種原因,但是延宕在中央那你要幫忙解決問題啊,是不是所以現在中央的這個工程,你要讓地方去蒙受這個損失或者是這個傷害我想我們沒有辦法接受啦好,剛才講到說錢的問題 |
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院長你常常一直在喊朝野要團結共同為了國家好但是今天我們要怎麼團結國家建設我們碰到國家建設的時候在每一個縣市或許就有藍綠不然就有派系我為什麼要這樣講我有所本的今天我不是亂汙止你看上去年的10月14號同一天同一天北溪在這裡是為桃園鐵路地下化的修正計畫來請命當時也跟你講了很多 |
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那麼蘇巧惠委員當時也為萬大樹林捷運線的修正計畫來請命本期等了七個月今天在這又再跟你提出來了那蘇巧惠委員的一個禮拜後你就合訂了 |
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鐵路是中央的捷運是地方的那沒有關係我覺得我看到那邊核定我也替他覺得很高興也替新北感到很高興但是你不能去苛責對於我們的桃園我們提出來的你都不配合那你不讓我聯想藍綠你要我怎麼想 |
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什麼原因嗎?新北也是,這沒有藍綠的問題那你為什麼要這樣區分呢?同一天我談豪雲鐵路地下化然後蘇曉慧委員談這個萬大線結果一個禮拜後她通過了,我們到現在還在這裡這一方面也要新北市政府多方的先期作業完成我們才有辦法去核不核准那你現在是說江山這作業不完整囉? |
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這個請交通部跟桃園市政府充分的合作我們桃園市政府你的變更計劃現在送出去了之前有任何地方是桃園市政府不配合或不完整嗎過程當中溝通了一段時間但是現在問題又解決了院長可以不要讓我下一次喔9月的時候但我不知道9月還有沒有辦法質詢到你不要讓我下一次的時候又再問你鐵路地下化好嗎 |
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如果照時間慢慢走一定會走到地下化完成的時候我們不可能跟你慢慢走啦因為這個是非常急的交通建設所以我們再來看另外剛剛提到萬大樹林線二期另外再講一個我們高雄小港梨園線 |
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為什麼我有再提這兩個案子追加經費的變更計畫不好意思喔他們這兩個案子都在去年的10月21號同時合訂通過而且連中央負擔的比例也一起調高了我們桃園看了真的很羨慕耶院長為什麼這樣分為什麼他們可以調高交通部送來的案子一定有他的考量跟規劃什麼考量嘛桃園市藍軍執政 |
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上次769億的時候本席就一直跟你講中央延宕對同仁不公平事實上中央應該負擔比例要調高你們不肯就現在看到是綠營講出來的話那別人的這些捷運線然後不是馬上核定就調高中央負擔比例欸 院長你要給我一個說明跟交代 |
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我們現在考慮到很多包括工程用的分擔以及用地的問題用地費都希望全國能夠很平有公平性我希望你會後可以跟部長把這個桃園鐵路地下化變更計畫到底還有什麼問題已經送出來表示沒有什麼問題盡速核定可以嗎 |
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已經送到院裡面 我要求我們院裡面的業務單位或是工程會能夠依照時間趕快來處理部長 您會後找一個時間跟我們辦公室約一下到我辦公室把條路地下化跟院長討論過後再到我辦公室來好嗎謝謝接下來我想也要再請一下我們勞動部的洪部長 |
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老問題國道客運過去我就在講我們司機荒這麼嚴重T-pass上路的時候恐怕有票也會沒車搭果真如此那當然交通部也是有了解這個狀況所以你也推出了公共運輸駕駛擴大的徵才方案也補助了高達一億一的經費有在努力 |
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但是成效非常有限到目前為止離職率還是高達20幾%到30%那吸血人沒有進來離職率是出去對這個問題我真的覺得快要成為國安問題了我們看來根據公路局的統計 |
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截至去年12月全台的市區客運駕駛缺了1367人國道客運的駕駛還缺了661人很嚴重那麼特別提到北北七桃我們一直都說它是一個共同生活圈交通當然就是最重要的以桃園的國道客運達成的人次112年1499萬人次 |
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然後114年來到了1710萬人次一直在成長當中可是因為司機慌這個院長部長您知道我們桃園的市民多可憐嗎我們的所有的國道客運公車每一站它是有限定人數的明明看到上面有空位可是這一站只能上五個那一站只能上三個這是什麼社會這什麼國家大眾運輸要這樣子來限制我們還要用配給的我覺得這我不能接受 |
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我們在看到現在桃園市自己的駕駛有815人但5年內估計會有116人退休所以現在第一個駕駛高齡化第二個年輕人不願意進來這個問題很嚴重而且會更嚴重所以我們桃園市政府其實也有建議說是不是我們可以來修正法規 |
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試試看我們讓橋外的畢業生可以來擔任司機喔而且呢這個除了可以解決司機缺口的問題之外也不會去衝擊到本國的勞工因為我們現在大家本國勞工就沒有人要做這一行嘛所以我覺得第一個我們可不可以考慮這開放橋外生喔那針對這個意見 |
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交通部還有我們的教育部移民署其實溝通之後本席有去詢問沒有問題大家都覺得可行不過在去年11月的時候這一些整合過的意見送到勞動部但是勞動部回覆是說社會溝通仍然未做足所以我想請教部長這個是要跟誰溝通要溝通什麼沒有做足的地方是什麼問我嗎 |
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我想問我想要跟委員說明喔其實關於這個是不是能夠讓橋外生來擔任這個客運的價值的議題其實近期我們也跟交通部一直在做討論喔那我想交通部這邊應該會針對這個安全的把關的問題喔那只要能夠把配套設計的好然後能夠把這個 |
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從業者的部分我想我們都是持開放的態度交通部的部分跟教育部分 移民局大家都沒有問題嘛現在的問題是卡在你這你說社會溝通還沒有做足嘛我跟文說明我說我們近期其實跟交通部其實針對這個議題已經有在討論了只要能夠把這個關於安全的把關做得好的話我想勞動部是持開放的態度的 |
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你們是不是可以找一個最近期這幾個部會大家一起開一個會立即來研商這件事情不要再拖了如果去年11月就送出來卡在勞動部這樣是不好的好嗎 |
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我們一直在處理這個問題就是要解決交通法規的問題交通習慣的問題還有語言的問題院長可不可以指示一下我們這個開放橋外生事辦這個部分桃園市政委在講我們是不是可以試試看我們或許可以先開放個50個或100個或30個沒有關係來擔任但是我們還是要考核的比如說剛剛我們提到不管用事故率 乘客滿溢度 留任率或者財政的效益等等 |
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我們去做一個評估後面再來看是不是要來全國推動所以我想這個部長如果桃園市政府桃園市政府如果這個事辦計畫他送上來的話你會同意嗎交通部這邊嗎我們會跟勞動部確認整個政策方向可行之後我們就會同意我聽起來就是都還卡在勞動部所以黃部長麻煩重視一下我們最近有積極在溝通這個限量我想來跟委員說一次我想我們其實對於這個議題對這個政策我們是指開放的態度 |
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好那最後我想針對我們的雙城巴士法規現在在4米跟4米2之間有一些不一樣的看法但是呢是不是也可以找一個機會跟我們相關單位中央跟地方還有業者呢我們也來談談看到底要怎麼開放雙城巴士 |
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好 謝謝萬委員 謝謝卓院長下一位我們請游昊委員質詢謝謝大會主席副院長那有請卓院長請卓院長備詢那也請經濟部長 |
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經濟部的廣部長院長好目前來講的話一樣是延續大家最關心的燃油問題石油問題包括中東戰事來救教院長以及部長面對中東局勢持續升溫國際燃油風險還不斷上升行政院目前的對策主要是延長減稅油價還漲跟穩定物價 |
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那這些措施實際上都在壓CPI那而不是在做長遠永續的能源政策更關鍵的是政策目前直接延長到9月代表政府其實已經半年以上的時間在預判風險這個問題就很清楚如果風險是長期的話那目前來講的國家能源戰略在哪裡 |
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當然我們在戰爭開打的時候我們就啟動了緊急應變措施各個部會也都有緊急應變的小組行政院的物價穩定委員會也從每季開會 |
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調整為每週都開相對的會議那我們在政務會議以及行政院會當中也都持續一直就相關的問題提出各項報告跟做最後的結論那最終現在就看到我們的國營事業單位大量的吸收整個國際的漲幅為的就是安定社會穩定物價那持續下來我們要在國際社會上能夠取得更充裕的油源跟氣源來保障我們未來三四五六月整個過程安全 |
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那現在我們做到這個部分等於下半年的工作我們現在也從同步開始規劃那本席直接就叫部長前兩次的石油維基能源危機分解是民國幾年分別是西元幾年1973年74年嘛那是第二次第二次是1979年780年左右好 |
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那我想問一下那這樣子等於是將近到了第三次石油危機這種邊緣比較算對那像這樣子的一個備援方案跟相關的應變機制那所依據的參考方案是二三十年前的版本嗎還是有新的方案面對石油危機各種現在新興的替代能源的部分那現在的方案到底是什麼時候的版本 |
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現在我們的這個多元韌性相對於73年74年已經好了非常多那時候我們自己的這個物價是上漲的非常厲害我知道那時候的狀況 因為都有做足功課那同學老師在現在的這次人員危機石油危機的狀況那相關在過去行政又或經濟部是不是有任何的這種方案或是草案 |
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我們現在剛剛院長已經提示過了就是說我們的能源裡面當然有一部分的部分現在分成電跟油那我們電的部分是有一部分是從天然氣來發電所以我們要確保天然氣 |
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的量是充足的所以我們盡快的啟動國際的調度那這個調度到五六月份應該都沒有問題油的部分那就是那個什麼穩定油價的問題所以才透過中油來部分的吸收這樣的漲幅那個沒有問題 |
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這個我本席還是在這裡指出就是說過去來講兩次的石油危機其實那時候相信當時的行政院也都有做足功課也有相關資料但是這一次的石油危機跟人文危機跟以前比較相較以往還是更加嚴峻我相信院長也認同 |
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變化非常快速比過去都快所以說變化非常快速的情況之下目前經濟部門行政院當然說現在的替代人員多但是方案上來講的話其實並沒有早有針對中東的局勢這種部分去有任何的一個草案或應變機制當然但是要認同肯定是持續的加密這個會議的期間 |
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那現在的調降跟補貼中油吸收成本將壓力移轉到延後其實並沒有真正的處理風險能源安全的本質還是國家安全只談油價而沒有談到能源戰略那只是把危機做包裝並沒有真正的解決那現在各地漲升四起全球也都漲升四起不斷的萬物起漲 |
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那市場機制看不見的手,它其實政策工具它的動漲就是一種干預的工具那石油動漲的部分,那想要就教目前國安會有沒有跟行政院針對油價的浮動機制來做調整以及預計中通的這個局勢大約未來大約多久之內可以趨緩那想問一下這個院長的研判 |
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油價的部分一直是由行政院經濟部台電三方來做討論並沒有剛剛您說好像是說國安會並沒有這樣的介入因為這是涉及到國家安全所以局勢的研判這個油價的問題我們是從這個行政院經濟部跟台電來做多方的討論 |
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好那沒關係那直接這樣子講好了剛才其實報導也有看到這三個禮拜的這個油價還帳那這個我們平常跟中油說謝謝是因為他們熱心服務幫我們加油那這個的部分補貼像是五六十億的部分 |
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那當然說現在的一個環漲動漲他不管是上個禮拜的漲1.8這禮拜的漲1.5那其實這個禮拜的漲1.8上禮拜的1.5還吸收的這個部分也是全民的納稅錢買單 |
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但是當然這個部分必須的工具因為來抑制這個整體民生物價的這種不安定因素那本席想直接就教院長因為這個部分我相信院長也有很重要的一個這個意見主導因為像目前中東的局勢看起來其實兩個月內也不會結束 |
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那今天的油價微幅下降主要當然是原本預期他們要打赫默茲海峽但是現在的話是說有在寬限幾天但實際上這是不是緩兵之計不知道但是也有可能假如到時候戰事直接更激烈的衝突的時候大家可以預期的那油價馬上預期就會再更加飆高這個院長也有認同那所以現在三個禮拜的這種補貼跟緩漲 |
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那本市長在這裡直接請教院長是不是在這兩個月這兩個月還包括後面的後面的五週也能夠來用這個還漲的措施來穩定我們的油價跟民生物價 |
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是的 國際的情勢風吹草動一個訊息就會起伏很大所以我們現在除了原來的油源 氣源可能發生困難之外我們立即向其他國家展開多元的方式在國際市場能夠搶得更多的來源所以對中油它不只是吸收漲幅而已它去搶現貨市場這個是很努力很辛苦的這我理解 |
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這兩個月的話行政院可以持續還是以這個動漲環漲比照過去三週是不是可以做這樣子的宣示讓民眾安心照公視在計算我們有雙環漲的機制一個是跟啞鈴最低價一個是中油吸收那現在我們在這一次特別又啟動了專案環漲的趨勢 |
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中油至少吸收60%像這個禮拜吸收了75%這中油也很辛苦但是全民納稅以前大家一起來穩定物價那同樣的因為本席也是政治經濟背景所以說我還是請教一下院長這個專案機制往後五週是否能夠持續因為這個對於整體的一個物價的穩定這有宣示性的一個效果 |
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專案緩漲當然是這次因應中東情勢所制定的那目前為止我想我們都還沒有看到可以讓專案緩漲這個機制不去使用的一個狀況我們可能還要持續一段時間所以暫時沒停往後的五個禮拜還是可以持續讓民眾安心可以持續用專案緩漲這當然變化的速度跟情勢是不一樣的現在我們看不到專案緩漲是不是可以停下來就這個禮拜而言下個禮拜我們現在還看不到那也許漲幅的幅度 |
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會有不同 會小會高都不一樣是不是持續將它還長 沒有問題吧這個機制現在是在的那這往後五個禮拜 暫時未定再看國際情勢的變化還有中油的財務我們要從另外一個角度來思考這當然清楚啊那沒關係 那直接接著問不管是油跟天然氣影響著就是我們的民生 物價 還有油電 |
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那像現在天然氣其實都出現一個情況船一開出去就現在是不管是日也好 寒也好中國大陸各國他們是直接在海上就直接攔戶直接加價來購買那目前來講 |
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我坦白講部長你有說許多的一個調度跟的一個機制啊那其實我坦白講現在不是只有台灣缺還有天然氣跟石油原油不是只有台灣缺世界各國都在缺那像他們其他國家用的這個動作是如此之積極啊那我想請教一下部長那我們台灣是不是也有針對像這樣子要出來的天然氣或者是原油的船還有來進行這種直接路上也做藍圖的動作 |
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包委員這樣的狀況是比較不可能的因為在合約國際上還是對這個合約還是尊重的而且遵守的你如果真的你想要所謂的藍湖你就在現貨市場標價你的價格可以提的比較高然後你可以標到這個船是這樣子的情況那我們中油當然會衡量什麼樣的情況下需要標這個現貨市場這個標這個那當然 |
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現在來講的話我們5月份的前面大概都已經調度差不多了那現在就是6月份開始再啟動持續的這個其實之前也知道如何來去購買這個現貨的原油那表示說目前我們沒有像其他國家採取這一種的方式是 包委員因為我們在輪延上 |
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長期來講的話我們跟某些國家包括美國跟澳洲長期有很好的合作關係因為我們長期也比較穩定的那他們如果有疑慮的時候也願意讓我們跟他有比較調度的空間我相信但是這個部分也是要加價沒錯 |
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所以說這個成本大家還是要共同負擔但是我也坦白講當然說取得更好的價格跟過去跟部分國家的友好關係這個我相信也是一路幾十年來大家共同的努力 |
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所以我希望說當然穩定物價這個部分非常的重要同樣的在天然氣的部分目前赫默茲海峽還已經被封鎖接著曼德海峽也要被封鎖包括美國針對哈爾科島也要發動軍事行動我想請教一下院長 |
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如果說點出三個因為這樣子的輸油關鍵航道的這種行為而產生嚴重性缺貨是不是可以列舉三項來衝突我們台灣民生經濟的三個物品委員講的狀況雖然沒有發生但它不一定完全不會發生所以我們在應備銷商當然有各種的推估因為目前它沒有到達一個必須 |
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發布這樣一個措施的一個程度我們認為還是讓國人覺得我們目前就三四五六月是有充分的準備那下半年我們會分散國際市場取得更多的來源好 我直接再提就是說我剛才所問說會做於缺貨的東西啊氦氣啊 液態胺 藥品都會做缺貨我直接是要問這個那我也同樣的要跟部長提一下 |
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這個部分目前的國際情勢是大家都缺原油跟天然氣競標歸競標戰備儲油釋放四分之一歸釋放但是業務上還是駕高者得那同樣的在像昨天啊那個波爾迪海那邊的港航桌子也被炸那他當然不會直接來輸給亞洲尤其是台灣但是他會影響到歐洲那歐洲這邊的話又會影響到其他國所以這是連動的 |
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所以說在這個部分目前來講不管從原油的調度的國家或者是天然氣調度的國家我坦白講其實他們也缺啦所以我覺得這個部分也不能夠太過於自信那同樣的在所謂的氦氣那當然說氦氣它最主要是我們半導體還製成上面的一個重要的原料還在剋死的過程中都必須要維持恆溫還來自最好的一個肉傳導的介質 |
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但是市場上正在每個月流失520萬立方公尺的氦氣供給那全球幾乎是沒有任何備用產能可以填補因為氦氣會在儲存過程中揮發還必須在45天內送達終端用戶 |
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那同樣的,氦氣的價格也因為衝擊翻倍持續中斷還會再漲25%到50%但是這是半導體這一塊我相信這是護國神山那一定會盡可能的來讓這個半導體的產業優先取得這個氦氣但是我就要接著想請教衛福部長 |
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害氣我先講一下我們事實上跟半導體業者都有溝通的確害氣過去來講是從中東進口比較多主要是因為它比較便宜但是這種情況之下的話美國跟澳洲它也供應出來所以基本上量是比較不會缺但是價格的確是有稍微漲了一點其實這一個部分本來就已經預期你會這樣回答但是我必須坦白講害氣的供給當初我們從中東這邊進是主要進口來源 |
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但是其他不管是美國或澳洲他們也有用害器的需求我們今天來講不能預設任何的一個進口除了價格之外人家沒有需求所以我們現在已經開始有專案在處理在跟他們溝通嘛好沒關係本席還是會相信對問題部長會用心解決但同樣的請教衛副部長 |
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那你知道氦氣跟你的部會相關業務也有重大關係那要就叫部長專業就是你知道哪些項目或是哪個項目你會直觀想到會用到氦氣嗎在氦氣部分我們在麻醉當中會使用到 |
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除了麻醉之外,醫療產業駭氣用來冷卻核實共振機種所需要的超導磁鐵在醫療廣泛使用的液態駭來冷卻NRI或NNR的超導磁鐵這些部分都會有駭氣的需求 |
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那假如這個害器的需求經濟部這邊優先來讓半導體來去做使用的時候那衛福部這邊有辦法確保還這樣子的NRI或NNR到時候都有充足的害器來去使用在這些醫療設備上嗎跟委員說明我們也關切到最近在這個以色列伊朗戰爭當中可能造成的對國內的一些醫材設備上的影響所以有跟經濟部保持密切的聯絡 |
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那麼主要是會以這個醫療的用途會優先來供應給我們所以醫療跟半導體是有辦法均衡的是是是好那所以說這個部長也可以確實來背書了嗎是好OK |
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那再來就是目前來講在中部的相關的藥廠也有提到現在相關因為塑化原料的一個進口來源受阻那所以有些的衣材的部分大家搶購囤貨那尤其是大型醫院幫花塑膠手套幫花這些操作服大家需要這些塑膠的部分那但是藥的部分同樣也是相關有許多的危機 |
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那因為不管是說在中部知名大廠那上週我不舉他的名字但是上週有向公衛的藥局發出緊急通知這一次的戰爭帶來的不可抗力因素所以為了產品報價將因客戶實際下單的原物料價格做調動所以請各藥局還有他們需要的需求量斟酌是否提早下單那這間藥廠有關係到呼吸系統藥物跟消化系統藥物那所以本席想要請教部長 |
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那未來的藥品勢必會有一波漲價潮甚至到缺藥潮那部長對那個上游的藥廠因為成本提升運輸塑膠包裝等還有無法製藥下游的藥局有錢也買不到那變成一藥難求針對這個部分衛福部有做相關的因應對生活提早部署嗎跟委員說明我已經啟動這個應變的小組那主要同幾個 |
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部分來著手第一個先進行影響評估那麼現在評估起來會影響到的是包含藥品的包材還有一些醫材特別是塑化類的先盤點所有的品項可能衝擊的影響第二個我們剛剛也提到跟經濟部也聯絡那麼對於塑化原料的供應希望以醫材這邊優先來處理第三個就是價格的部分我們也請 |
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廠商去評估可能造成的這個成本的影響那麼在去年在這個任性特別條例裡面特別也撥了這個因應可能的國際情勢那麼特別撥給這個健保的基金安全準備金有200億那因為關稅的到目前為止沒有造成太大的波動所以目前這個基金還有200億可以來支應那麼對於未來的這可能造成的成本呢 |
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上漲呢我們會來調整好那會長我當然相信您一定是有先做一些部署預防那本席還是要在這裡要再做一個善意提醒那其實不管是美國川普他有針對他們要穩定國內藥價來祭出就是降價措施但是回頭來講全球的這個藥品 |
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今天先不講醫材藥品的部分每次只要有危機發生的時候大家就是在搶藥甚至價格不斷的在上漲那就怕還搶不到有錢搶不到那所以說應見不遠像上次的疫情期間口罩的話是因為它其實水平相對比較低所以台灣的時候還有辦法趕快來進行這個口罩的製作但是在疫苗跟快篩 |
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那時候當然說主要技術在國際藥廠上所以那時候的台灣確實是比其他的國家還要在等候這些疫苗還等候這些快篩所以說本席在這裡還是要提醒部長在預計到這種可能的缺藥潮不管是漲價潮那可以提前先做盤點跟部署因為尤其是大醫院可能還可以因應因為我們也看到台大醫院昨天的 |
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跟委員說明我們現在也跟藥業還有藥事公會開始建立管道目前正在做全面的盤點 |
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那接下來除了醫療之外另外一個受到非常大影響的就是肥料那美伊戰爭開打 荷姆茲在俠獸族重要的原物料尿素就出現斷供那相關的分析都有提到伊朗跟卡達影響全球尿素20% |
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的貿易量中東又是主要的全球尿素的供應地那其中伊蘭是前三大那每年出口量約400到500萬公噸那卡達也是全球尿素的中央供應國那目前來講這樣子的一個尿素的減產伊蘭跟卡達合計影響全球900到1000萬公噸的尿素佔全球的20%那也推升了價格 |
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那這個尿素的部分他不管是阿拉伯灣三月均價已達524美元他還漲了將近10%那同時他也是氮肥的重要原料那他帶動了氮肥的價格那也影響了甲肥的價格那包括選球需求量的10%那這樣子的一個情況之下就叫一下農業部長 |
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那在過去二月五戰爭的經驗,國際尿素受到衝擊,工業搶購農業用的尿素還應見不遠,同樣的那這一次目前發生這種情況之下,農民應該要如何自主?肥料會不會上漲? |
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我跟委員說明一下其實在COVID-19開始我們的肥料的供應就建立一個很好的機制跟台肥所以我們的每一種肥料包括主要的氮磷鉀那氮肥就是尿素跟硫胺的部分那這個部分每一項品項都有兩到三個國家的來源而不會仰賴單一個國家那每一個 |
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肥料都有大概有將近6個月的庫存所以以現在的中東戰爭來講我們現在的蛋肥的部分可以供應到8月絕對沒問題然後甲肥可以供應到10月那磷肥的部分甚至磷礦的部分可以供應到12月 |
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好我知道因為這是台北的數據那看起來都還在安全範圍內但是戰爭很難說那如果打個十年還沒打完那相關都受到影響那我想問一下現在許多南投的農民非常關心的這個肥料會不會限額 |
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肥料的嗎會不會像以前有這種限額的措施我想肥料不會有限額但是我們在推動合理化施肥因為每一種作物都有它施肥最適當的量所以我們是輔導農民用最適當的肥料去施肥這不叫限肥 |
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那本期還是請農業部長還能夠秉持專業後來在許多預防上能夠先做好相關的一個預防還有包括這個漲價因為回到一個基礎概念啦因為缺的部分當然有其他備用來源但是不代表其他國家沒有缺大家一樣在搶是對好不好那謝謝農業部長那接著要請勞動部長 |
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那個洪部長過去也當任立委期間剛好也有跟您共事過那在今天的話有機會也要來特別救教你那剛才說勞動部的部分許多的業務我也清楚可是過去你在核能的這些論述上跟態度上現在賴清德總統他預計要重啟核能 |
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你可以支持他嗎跟文說明喔我現在在行政部門那我想這個我對於非我目前執掌的這個政策的業務我想就尊重行政院這邊會支持嗎 |
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委員我現在在勞動部工作所以我在執掌的就是跟勞動政策有關的業務好啊那假如未來你高山許多勞動部當初你所推動的政策你也要持續的支持 |
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好啦那這個部分請部長先回沒關係那最主要我還是希望過去的許多的相關的論述都有留下痕跡跟記錄那在這個部分當然我們看到現在我們很客觀務實的來看待我們是需要穩定的電力那所以有請經濟部長 |
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那我想請問一下現在的這個核能的部分因為時間有限那我直接針對院長請教這個所謂的新核能的部分那當然過去的這些論述我們都先跳過 |
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核三的假如核三要演繹核管法那這個當時你也沒有不附屬所以這個也為現在的能源短缺也預留了伏筆假如有需要核能核管法都還可以用得上但是現在來講因為中東的這個戰事危機非常的嚴峻所以說其實確實是有很大的缺電的缺口 |
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有沒有可能將來暫時一發不可收拾的時候有可能透過這個緊急命令來加快目前核官法所規定的這個三階段要到2028年才能夠重啟 |
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緊急命令的發布有它一定的程序是非常嚴謹的那目前我們沒有提到或是討論到緊急命令是否要在什麼時候進行討論都還沒有進行討論那這個部分你也確定了沒有討論到但是因為核管法這樣子要到2028年核三超可能重啟 |
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那如果說真的到時候像經濟部長所觀測的做了全力準備但是電力還是有很大缺口有沒有可能會在相關的會議中來討論來進行這個緊急命令的一個處理當然我坦白講只要為了能源永續每個政黨都會支持 |
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委員這當然是一個很多前提假設性的問題啦目前我們努力的是將三四五六月穩定所有的油氣的來源那下半年我們已經要全力做下半年的規劃我剛剛說的朝更多元的國際市場去搶得更多的貨甚至是開發新的合作契約 |
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用的就是我們過去跟其他國家良好的各種關係作為基礎我們現在有這樣的把握這是依照國際現實主義來講其實還是以國家利益跟價高者得所以說有沒有可能這種也是被行政院到時候拿來討論緊急命令能夠加速這個核能重啟也可以納入行政院討論或者是緊急議院的議題 |
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目前沒有討論這個議題未來會不會未來我們現在看我們所用的方式到上半年到下半年如果都安全如果都餘裕那國際情勢有所轉變那我想超越這個討論的過程或許可以不必發生那我坦白講這種是一個面向但是如果情況失控的話那還是必須要進行討論 |
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當然這也是憲法賦予總統跟政府的一個基本權利審慎的思考那目前是沒有討論好那再來的話所謂的新式核能那到底核三核二是新式核能還是核四是新式核能還是未來有規劃核五做新式核能比較可及的技術大概就是SMR跟核融合那這個部分核融合在國內是有 |
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初步的一些研議的進度在進行當然我們還要跟國外的先進的國家來取得更多的技術合作其實不管是法國美國或是日本韓國相關的先進的部分他們其實也都用所謂的新式核能所以說這個新式核能的部分未來有一種核武的可能性嗎 |
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核子武器是核三廠 核四廠 核五廠的可能性我想如果是新式的核能他要叫做什麼名稱現在我們並沒有一個定論但未來新式核能的討論我們跟世界希望能夠同步所以說核五廠的可能性是存在的 |
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現在我不做這樣的一個表示如果世界上討論的這種可以進到商轉而且沒有核安的餘率也沒有核廢料那麼難出的問題社會也都共識能夠接受當然政府必須站在世界潮流 |
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所以好,很好的世界潮流然後我相信現在何能能夠維持永續應該已經是不反政黨的共識了 |
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中央院會現在繼續開會請何委員心存質詢同時我們現在在議場二樓旁聽喜的是台北商業大學的同學我們在這邊歡迎他們到立法院參訪好謝謝主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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今天一早上我聽到幾位在野黨對行政院的一個質詢真的是覺得其實面對國際的變局我們自家人不分朝野應該要團結一致 |
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這個鄉間和太極我要先首先先向行政院一個大大的一個肯定就是因為國際的這個局勢大變那我們呢這個對於這個油電是民生產業最關心的一件事因為他關心了民生的物價所以呢我記得在上次的質詢我有請行政院要積極的馬上召開 |
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物價的穩定小組剛剛聽到院長有提到現在的物價穩定小組行政院每週開會就是緊盯著物價是否穩定第一件事我在基層聽到的對政府一個大大的肯定是在於油價的緩漲 |
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我看到新聞有寫到政府主動吸收了75%的漲幅來協助中油也能夠穩定物價也在第一時間電價是動漲的這兩件事情是政府第一個 |
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及時第二個馬上有魄力的決定能夠讓民生有感讓物價穩定這個要先給行政院一個肯定但是我們的社會大眾還是期許我們行政院還要再進一步的盤點除了油跟電我最近接到 |
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台中是機械還有工具機精密製造的一個非常完整的產業聚落過去這幾年來有因為國際局勢的不穩定還有一些景氣的問題本來就很艱辛在經營現在當然碰到台美關稅我們談了一個好結果雖然在上代美國確定不過基層的產業是對政府有信心的 |
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但是又碰到中東的戰火現在的這個所謂的假存這個對這個我們的產業鏈來講是重要的一個製程重要的一環那我也感謝經濟部在接到這個台灣機械工業同業工會以及鑄造工會以及本席的一個陳情跟拜託請求之下部長是會 |
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提一下現在對於機械工會跟鑄造工會基層產業裡面所謂的工業用的甲醇的存量以及調度的問題 部長謝謝委員反映民間他們的需要剛才講機械工會跟 |
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鑄造工會他們因為在過程當中需要有一個鍍膜然後脫膜的狀況所以需要一個甲醇那目前來講的話原先來講都沒有缺嘛但是現在因為中東戰事的關係是有一些缺啦那當然委員是希望說我們先從中油來那中油它存的這個甲醇存量是比較少的因為它只是摻那個汽油讓汽油穩定來做發 |
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但是我們也像民間這個名稱我就不好意思講但是有兩家公司他願意因為他長期 |
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進的量比較大願意提供一部分出來那我們現在也再整合兩邊工會剛剛駐造工會跟機械工會整合起來看看他們需求量有多少跟他們供應端來對接這個我們已經在做了好部長再拜託我為什麼要讓院長知道因為呢除了民生要顧產業要顧那產業碰到這個國際的局勢大變跟中東的戰火確實呢有一些原物料大幅的第一個 |
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價格高漲第二個調貨困難所以呢為了不讓我們國內的產業的供應鏈斷鏈我希望政府也要成立了相關的因應的小組那如何協助各產業在原物料也好在工業用的相關的這些要盤點的一些產業所用的這些必需品我們是不是可以呢能夠成立小組積極的來跟 |
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各產業工會來集中協調我們能夠提供穩定產業鏈的一個完整跟穩定的供應這個是行政院這也是我們政府必須做的產業鏈一旦斷鏈那影響的就是民生經濟昨天我也自己開了一個會就是我們相關的包括產業署等等還有能源署開會以後 |
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我們盤點了十項比較重要的可能這個原物料的部分現在它的供需狀況我們也可以一一的包括我們上游的供應商還有下游的需求方了解現在的供需狀況短期間看起來供給是比較沒有問題的但是價格的確是有微幅的調漲但是我們現在做的方法還是分成幾個部分供的部分供需的部分 |
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去說服的這些上游的就是說出口的部分是暫時比較少優先供應給國內來這個部分那另外一個價格的部分因為我們知道說他成本價格現在國際間比較透明那如果價格要漲的話是不是要合理化不要過漲或等等的一些情況那我們也提醒下游的部分不要做囤積這個我們會查查那再來就是說我們會幫忙在國際上調貨這個部分 |
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然後我們也會公布一個 |
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一個電話號碼如果有任何比如下游你需要原料沒有的情況下可以讓我們知道我們來居中協調一個單一窗口可以讓產業來直接向政府請求協助因為剛剛行政院我們卓院長有回答其他委員說這個油氣各國都在搶那台灣跟各國都保持友好的關係所以我們得以在國際上調度油氣 |
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那能夠確保短期內甚至兩三個月內不會斷油斷氣我也希望我們在產業的部分我們經濟部也要第一個不僅僅是這個單一窗口第二個我們一定要成立一個跨部會的整合小組能夠積極的來協助產業所需要的各個原物料的一個供應以及你剛剛提到的調貨因為各國也都在搶 |
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第三個價格因為搶貨所以一定會有價格的波動那如何是合理化的如何是透明化的可以穩定我們的產業鏈不至於斷鏈我覺得這是很重要的院長我會提出這個問題是希望你關心我們中南部的產業鏈造就了在地廣大的勞工市民朋友們 |
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所以我們政府是有義務也有責任一定要好好的穩定民生產業是謝謝委員長期關心各個產業尤其是我們中部地區精密製造的機械的產業我們已經從大宗的物資從租稅優惠我們已經延長了時間那剛剛部長所提的就對現在幾項比較緊張的幾項這個原物料我們設定的原則是上游不漲下游不屯 |
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我們還有調度的窗口用這幾項來把它現在的秩序盡量把它平穩下來好 謝謝院長那因為剛剛提到民生產業物價波動等等要穩定最近大家在談的就是能源的問題那我剛剛還聽到有核武我聽到這兩個字有點驚嚇到 |
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核四在馬英九時代封存現有最近這幾天在談的核二核三重啟評估我還是要問一下院長的態度我們當然是依法依規來行政但是也必須在核安無虞 安全是第一 |
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核廢有解社會共識的三大前提這個專業務實才是我們穩定向前的一個最重要的依據但是最終我們還是要確保全民的民生產業的一個供電穩定那院長您再一次的宣示一下這個重啟評估我們行政院的態度是什麼 |
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安全供電無虞是政府對人民以及對產業的責任同時也是台灣對全世界的責任所以我們勇敢的一定會把這個事情落實下來那不僅是核能的三原則核安核廢以及共識這個三原則不變我們還有另外一個不變是持續發展二次能源轉型不變我們要持續發展多元的綠能深度節能科技儲能還要強化電網韌性這個 |
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二次能源的轉型也是不變這兩個不變是前提另外在程序上現在台電已經在自主安全檢查那麼在這個這個禮拜這個月底要送出這個再運轉計畫送出之後第二個程序是核安會必須審慎的召集所有的專家來進行審慎的評估那評估之後自主安全檢查到底他所有設備老化到什麼程度太舊換新什麼時間可以完成以及動用的經費有多少才會有一個具體 |
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那治安運轉計畫通過整個之後他才能夠進入到下一個程序所以目前只是在程序的最開頭而已所以未來程序還有一段路要走那我們還是說第一個講求的是安全必須安全確定無虞第二個程序的過程依照現在的速度能夠讓他持續的有效率的進行那目前的整個進度到這個程度 |
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對 院長我覺得這個要說清楚而且要公開透明的讓國人知道我們願意重啟評估但後面還有程序最重要是依法依規而且三大前提安全 合費遊解 社會共識 |
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我覺得三大前提還是在這裡同時我們對於二次能源轉型還是持續推動綠能還是我們未來的重點的一個能源政策之一所以我們第一個能源政策是多元評估多元推動但是我們要確保穩定供電因為為什麼 |
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接下來在賴總統跟我們行政院宣示的未來的AI人工智慧 算力產業我相信需要用電所以多元的備用能源都必須納入考量 |
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我們宣示什麼台灣要AI新十大建設再加上最近黃仁勳提出的AI五成蛋糕論其中最底層的一層就是能源所以我相信我們行政院也是看到了未來台灣的下一個世代的產業叫做AI產業AI新十大建設所以我們必須要 |
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多元評估 多元推動那供電穩定是最基礎這個我相信大家都不能否認而且也認為台灣下一個世代我們的AI產業該如何的與世界共同來推進這是台灣現在目前最具優勢的一個推進產業之一對不對 院長也就是因為台灣佔據這樣關鍵的地位在產業尤其在高科技產業所以我們用這樣的有力的基礎 |
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要取得世界各國跟我們做更多的協助以及互助目前我們是朝這個方向真是有效的在進行也比較容易得到各國的支持 |
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基於院長這樣子的一個回答跟指出的方向我就要為我們中部來爭取因為卓院長您去年有拍板定案中部要成為全球領先智慧的製造中心三個新核心產業加速矽光子光學設計及模組開發要帶動我們中部產業的發展核心一台積電有在中科投資 |
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甚至現在要加碼投資要帶動先進的一個製程先進的封裝的一個部落第二個核心美光也在中科投資而且也在擴廠成為核心發展高階記憶體的產業鏈 |
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第三個核心漢想航太產業要轉型甚至要跟軍工產業並行要以漢想為中心打造一個無人機的飛鴻供應鏈這三大核心我記得是卓院長去年拍板定案的我相信台中 |
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非常有本錢因為我們的精密製造本來就全世界都知道而且供應鏈的完整效率的提供打造產品甚至輸出也是全世界肯定的我們也更有本事來配合中央的規劃來發展但是院長除了拍板定案之外我們需要資源院長我們可以怎麼樣給台中資源 |
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好 謝謝委員台中是我們在全國六大區域產業生活圈當中設定為精密智慧新核心它本來就是精密製造我們要把智慧科技加進去讓它成為精密智慧新核心在未來幾年我們現在初步匡列的預算有超過八千億在這個精密智慧新核心底下 |
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所以它帶動的就是剛剛幾個幾大核心新的全數的發展比方說過幾天美光又會在中部地區有新的晶圓廠又要落成又要開始所以這個就會一直帶動世界的大廠進到這個地方來那加上我們原來的傳統產業讓它升級甚至我們的農業也讓它成為智慧農業那這個部分再加上整個中部地區一個智慧的升級 |
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那它真的可以成為台灣的一個新的核心在桃竹苗大溪谷與大南灣新溪谷帶動整個台灣整個西部走廊的一個發展院長你這套說法我幫你整理了一下下一頁第一個我們除了台積電除了美光我們事實上整個產業鏈分布在中部地區尤其在台中第二個光學產業也在台中 |
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無人機產業其實製造完整製造的供應鏈也在台中智慧農業是未來要發展如何讓它升級轉型所以我希望院長能夠支持台中我們好謝謝何委員謝謝卓院長下一位請羅廷偉委員質詢 |
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好謝謝主席有請卓院長請卓院長備詢顧部長謝謝國防部顧部長嗎是國防部顧部長是來請顧部長羅委員好好院長好 |
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8024.588 |
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8038.2 |
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院長 外交國防委員會這週排審軍購條例昨天有問顧部長他說這是你的權責所以要請問院長如果軍購案通過的是在野黨的版本請問你會選擇附屬還是不附屬 |
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8055.974 |
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我請在在野黨黨團跟國防外交委員會能夠持續的跟國防部保持更多的溝通希望能夠依照院版來通過那就沒有其他問題那如果是通過了在野黨版本請問你會附屬還是不附屬不要用這種假設性的問題我沒有假設性的問題 |
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8059.537 |
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不違憲不違法破壞國家財政不違憲不違法不破壞國家財政不影響國家安全經過充分的討論民主的程序行政院沒有所以您現在不方便回答附屬不附屬是嗎我現在請顧部長 國防部努力說服我們大院的同仁們依照行政院版這個通過我們才有台灣之盾我們才有吉沙列我們才有本土產業 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
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那再來我想跟你詢問一下合電回來了就必須換台中人一口氣飛鵝家園一直以來都是民進黨的神主牌就在上週賴清德總統在台中宣布要重啟合二合三面對氣候的變遷供電的吃緊再生能源推生困難的現實面對上一代錯誤的政策這一代終於說不了院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
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國人等這一天等了十年台中中部人犧牲了十年賴清的總統還特別感謝了立法院通過核管法感謝了在野黨院長您看這照片昨天聯合報刊出照片拍攝的時間是2019年帶頭走在前排的除了總統 |
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還有卓院長從體制外走到體制內請問2026年的卓院長有什麼要對2019年的卓主席來說呢我想先問一下院長請問一下賴總統宣布這個政策您事先知情嗎 |
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8157.227 |
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8172.962 |
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我再跟各位報告一次我們在今年的施政報告當中就明擺的寫出了所以這個是經過我們部會充分的了解討論之後所以施政報告施政報告寫出的當然就是未來政府重大施政的方向 |
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8198.171 |
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在這個第五頁合法修法之後我們就已經處理了沒關係您跟院長 院長跟總統有討論那當然是最好的這個是2月24號那請問一下院長有一個關鍵的問題啊重啟核二核三它是核能還是新核能那當然是傳統核能那所以我們之前在討論的核廢有解社會共識 核安無慮 |
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8225.072 |
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那不是白討論了嗎這不是新核能啊他不是新核能所以他現在提出自主安全檢查跟再運轉計畫這就是安全當然他會提出這樣的計畫但是之前的核核三就是朝這樣子的核安無虞持續的努力也持續的在做當時你們就在反核能啊因為核電廠的使用年限40年是法律規定啊 |
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剛剛還有委員在講啊 國際的情勢啊 地緣政治的不穩定啊我們應該對內啊 團結 相兼何太極但今天我要講的是啊 是你在逼中部人啊 你在逼官逼民反啊你讓我們的生命含憂啊 有多少人罹患肺腺癌啊 |
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8250.191 |
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8275.253 |
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所以不要再說相煎合太久40年是法律期限是你在第一輪造反委員你要了解法律好不好所以我要問一下作為政策的選擇我要再強調廢核沒有不對發展再生能源也沒有不對但重點是能源的韌性有沒有兼顧到我們看到2025年發電的占比再生能源13.1 |
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8278.246 |
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8284.053 |
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當時蔡英文總統所承諾的跳票你們就應該要亡羊補牢可是沒有看到南美高達了35.4%我們要跟大家講民進黨 |
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8295.595 |
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8312.835 |
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很會話術治國很喜歡教大家韌性喔大家可以聽聽看產業要韌性 金融要韌性再來全社會防禦韌性委員會但是為什麼沒有能源韌性我們的人源變成脆化 |
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8340.536 |
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二次能源轉型就是多元發展各方的能源來源2028五煤中火應該要提前核電重啟的階段電力的缺口怎麼補就是燃煤空污就是關乎到中部人的健康每天面對灰濛濛的天氣空氣的品質我們台中人中部人承受過去的決策成本我們用生命 |
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8355.724 |
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來證明你們的政策是錯的你們的人員政策的立下是用我們的生命來買單的長期就是用非發電所以現在我要跟您請問一下現在的前提已經改變了當時你宣布是在非核家園的時候說2034年才能夠無煤中火 |
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8395.947 |
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今天核二核三要重啟要用核能來減煤來減碳在這個新的情勢下2028無煤中火不只是做得到更應該要往前目標應該推進到2027年無煤中火這是要不要做的問題所以今天我想問請問一下院長您還是堅持2034無煤中火嗎請回答 |
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2028這一年 |
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是不是會有傳統核能能夠重啟目前都還是未知數但是台電在做的是加速台中火力發電廠燃氣機組的更換好 2028如果核核三重啟請問您還是堅持2034無煤中火嗎請回答委員您應該記得我去年到台中中火的時候我就說過那時候沒有所謂重啟不重啟核電廠的問題對 您說2034沒有 我說我希望提到2032 |
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台電也努力在努力所以2028如果能夠重啟核二核三你還是堅持2032是嗎沒辦法做到我們立法院三讀的決議2028嗎這種前提的假設2028台中地區包括我們中部的精密智慧新核心用電量有多少是不是能夠完全把中火全部關起來是委員跟我們共同面對的問題 |
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8480.271 |
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以後行政院院會直接拉到我們中部來辦讓民進黨的官員讓剛剛上一位何新淳委員能夠多吸一下我們台中中部的空氣我們看到何新淳委員在第九屆的時候力推2025非核家園當時還拒絕我提案的2028無煤中火 |
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當時2025的非核家園是在電業法裡面規定的是法律的規定一定要講啊不要再硬拗了這就是你們的錯誤能源政策啦那再來我要講的是喔院長請問一下去年12月4日行政院院會通過要事法還有要害救濟法修正案 |
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請問這兩案行政院院會會議討論時行政院的法規會對內容有沒有提出意見或保留意見?部會送的法律修正案都會經過我們的業務單位還有政委來審慎的審查過內容 |
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8524.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8545.713 |
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兩年前政府在藥品的調度上嚴重失靈導致全台生理食鹽水輸出液短缺本席在院會就質詢揭發衛福部沒有在法院依據的情況下貿然進口未取得藥品許可證的輸液供國人使用 |
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8547.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8574.213 |
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受害人甚至無法依藥害救濟法申請補償等同國家帶頭違法院長你還記得這件事嗎當然也許我們不喜歡聽我們現在還有一個藥品任性的方式在處理還是藥品需要任性邱部長就在你旁邊還大大地說我們沒有錯堅持整個政策是合理的甚至用樣品用類推試用 |
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8576.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8590.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
試圖來掩飾沒有法源依據的行為廉政署114年8月8日回函給我也說時宜符合要事法第27條之二的立法目的隨後食藥署就說類推適用 |
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8592.004 |
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8615.662 |
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這樣子整個結案整個行政的過程啊荒謬我們是在解決問題讓人難以接受啊我們是在解決問題來解決什麼問題當下跟我講說沒有錯沒有錯我們是對的我們是對的結果呢後面偷偷的修法你當時承諾你是錯誤的趕緊來補正不就好了嗎同一個法規會 |
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8617.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8627.925 |
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面对同一个事件113年喔说符合立法目的114年修法的时候却又承认原有的法治有漏洞这不是两套标准是什么 |
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8628.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8647.386 |
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你們的法規會也很民進黨耶院長你是法律人對法律要有依據這件事情應該是最清楚不過的啊他們是揣摩上意的公務人員啊兩年前的政府在任何沒有明確的法源依據的時候同意進口 |
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8648.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8671.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
沒有取得我國藥品許可證的大數據白話一點說整個藥事法就是所謂的禁藥更離譜的說這些輸出益還是高於我國健保給付的數倍的價格來合計健保端也同意平常約兩到三倍來支付最後由全民買單 |
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8673.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8699.883 |
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每次我們在講健保會破產就是這些錯誤的政策導致的吧院長兩年後了藥事法 藥害救濟法也已經在1月30日刪讀那這一次藥事法 藥害救濟法修正到底是在補誰的錯補行政院法規會的漏洞還是補當年決策的官員漏洞所以我要講違反行政 |
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8701.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8710.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
試射圖例現在已經證實你們事後靠修法補上了專案進口輸液的法源代表當時 |
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8712.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8739.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
衛福部沒有法源就先做請問院長我們違法在前修法在後在法律上是不是已經構成了明知違背法令的違法行政有沒有任何圖利特定廠商的嫌疑那個時候我就說請廉政署要調查114年8月8日回我行政院法規會認為沒有違法所以不用查 |
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8741.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8762.045 |
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到了114年12月4日法國會自己又承認原有的法治確實有漏洞所以現在情況很清楚明知違背法令又涉及健保給付國庫出錢就是利益問題當初別人說好你就好現在別人說不好你就不好廉政署要不要重啟調查 |
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8763.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8784.262 |
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我還是很遺憾委員一直忽略我們解決問題的努力也忽略我們現在增加任性的努力事後解決問題過程有違法疑慮我們要不要辦嘛跟委員說明我們這一次的修法主要是要擴大我們這個藥品的任性同時把過去的那麼以專案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
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這個缺藥的情況下專案進口的藥物也納入了藥害救濟的範圍雖然你當時不是部長你當時是健保署署長你同意專案進口對健保署估計的財政衝擊兩億多當時只有內部審查的委員私下跟本席透露他們也覺得為何要付這麼高的價錢很不合理 |
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你也沒有卸責的權利啊英國110年最高刑事大法庭統一見解凡是公務員對主管或者是監督事務的積極或消極不作為與不法利益皆有因果關係及成立圖利你們應該比照柯文哲案啊 |
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跟委員說明說我們一切同仁都是依法來辦理來解決問題請院長針對整個行政體系當中最高層級的法治審查單位行政院法規會對於這一次要釋法要害救濟法修正案能夠與其113年7月10日就本案法源依據回覆我說廉政署之研議的意見兩者有何不同之處 |
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能夠給本席一個確定的答案讓我知道一下為什麼同一個法規會會有兩套標準可不可以承諾回我我們在增加藥品任性的過程當中我們必須檢討過去不足的地方那如果任何一個修法都是因為之前圖例而修法那這個邏輯不成那委員所要的資料委員所要的資料我們可以 |
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會後來聲明說明好謝謝另外我想再請問一下我們現在ART美國新藥6個月可以直接在台上市案3月13日我們台美在華盛頓簽署的台美對等貿易的協定美國要求醫療部門 |
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未來美國食藥署通過的藥品6個月內自動取得台灣的藥證等於台灣不需要做任何的人體實驗針對外界的質疑食藥署的回應 |
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他們現在回應的是說在藥品領域未來將在符合國際規範下參考美國食品藥物管理局審查的結果以減少重複的評估加速審查流程讓病人可以及早取得現在的創新治療但我國仍有最終核准與否的裁量權並非自動承認院長請問這樣的回應 |
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8957.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8958.554 |
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為什麼從官網上被下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8960.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8987.652 |
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那請部長說明他得罪美國喔他得罪美國喔我們再了解一下這個剛剛說法完全是正確的你上了官網為什麼下架我們還是有最終的核准權並不是直接採納他只是在審查的過程當中參考了不需要害怕沒有問題的 這個沒有問題那時候可以上架我們隨時可以上架 我了解一下本席肯定啊 |
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9016.373 |
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支持台美ART縮短新藥上市的時間不用擔心讓病人更快能夠取得新藥對醫病產業都具有正面的意義然而相較之下我國現行的審查制度優先審查制度並會設有國產新藥跟本土創新專屬的優先審查制度顯示我們現在審查優惠的對等性 |
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9036.618 |
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雖然石部長2月13日的報導指出啊優化美國的新品審查的一個制度流程主要影響新藥對本土發展的學名藥較無影響但是國內製造的新藥也適用於相同的審查原則 |
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我們對國內的新藥的話也都是有加速審查的機制但是院長 石部長說的內容但現在仍未見衛福部有任何具體化的文字請問何時會公佈我們近期就會有新的加速審查的程序來對外公開好 我四點具體的建議第一 新藥比照美國六個月完成審查 |
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9066.363 |
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9074.775 |
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第二 CDE 的質詢新藥審查期限四個月完成第三 健保國產新藥給予從優的合理藥價 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
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9098.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
第四打造台灣研發全球首發新藥的激勵制度請問一下部長可以介紹嗎對於國產新藥我們現在就有從優合理的藥價機制在健保的機制裡面已經有在這個藥品這個 |
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9100.633 |
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9126.372 |
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支付標準裡面已經有寫了那另外呢對於台灣研發的全球首發新藥呢我們也重新定位那麼在去年四月也公告了新的法規擴大台灣首發新藥的試用所以這兩個我們都已經做到了另外兩個嘛再來我提出一點就是相關的產業還是覺得激勵的制度能夠正在優化所以這些都是為了台灣 |
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在努力 為了健康在努力市長 我所提出的方向您覺得可以嗎所發新藥我們都在努力的在那至於說所有的新藥的審查或者是諮詢在多少時間內這個我們還有不同因為他的這個所提供的資訊材料那麼都不一樣 證據都不一樣不可能全體都是要在六個月內完成審查這個是辦不到 |
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9154.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
9169.955 |
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但是我們提到的是你在美國已經拿到這個藥證的他的資料應該已經完備了送過來相對就完整才能夠加速並不是所有的新藥都比照辦理這個是不可能辦到所以為什麼對於現在台灣新藥不可能辦到 |
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不是對台灣新藥是所有的新藥並沒有對台灣的新藥有特別的延宕不是的是所有的新藥食物上在持續加速的審查機制有困難度嘛對不對加速審查機制絕對沒有問題加速審查機制就是我在這次具體要做的嘛所以我希望部長我們一起為他們來努力好不好沒有問題很支持院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
9202.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
9229.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
明天教文委員會會排審學校衛生法請問院長是否支持把禁止使用含乙型受體素肉品明文寫進學校衛生法我們在學校包括營養午餐的部分的使用不都一直照這個標準在做嗎那請問一下如果寫進入法可以嗎跟委員說明我們是 |
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9230.007 |
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9251.758 |
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既然我們都依照往例都在執行了那所以我把它寫進入法沒有問題囉我可以這樣子來解讀囉我們應該是說按照現在的食品的標準那麼就OK了不需要去特別的去明訂既然都已經做了為什麼不能入法一定會按照合格的食品標準如果要寫就全部都要寫 |
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9252.898 |
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9273.431 |
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都要按照實體的標準不需要在這邊玩文字遊戲我們就是講得很清楚 既然已經在做了我們就應該要立法在做最後的一個階段把它完成我今天要再講另外一個議題去中國要NFBAP為什麼台灣不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
9274.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
9286.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
一句美國豬肉的查核報告裡面有提及英文的縮寫是NFBAP的制度我想請問一下院長您知道這個制度嗎那請委員來說明沒關係從未為時已行受體數計畫美國有這個計畫有這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
9295.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
9318.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
美國這個制度經美國農業行銷署的一個認證將參與這個制度的豬隻未使用萊克多巴胺這類產品可以出口到中國大陸但是如果減出但低於極限值就可以銷往其他市場我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
9320.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
9335.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
為什麼中國大陸可以要求要NFBAP的組織台灣不行我們台灣很清楚的邏輯我們講求的食品安全是世界標準我們是科學根據跟國際標準不是中國標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
9339.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9367.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我們現在是什麼標準我們要求的是最嚴格的標準我們要求科學根據跟國際標準根據資料我們不能追求中國標準根據資料沒有意義現在113年到114年3月輸台灣的美國豬肉生產設施有46家其中26家有參與NFBAP制度有20家沒有參與 |
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9368.658 |
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9397.644 |
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所以我要講的是你管他哪一國對國人的健康是最好的現在我要的是最嚴格的標準啊為什麼我要最嚴格的標準這都是民進黨教我的啊我本席先具體的要求政府應向美方要求銷往中國大陸僅蘇台NFBAP |
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9398.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9420.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
一樣認證的美豬美牛第二要求美方提供官方的證明文件著名產品是屬於NFPAP制度的認證來源確保食安而本席也會在院會作出決議院長您覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9421.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9448.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我覺得我們沒有必要追尋某一個特別國家的獨特的規範我們追求的是科學根據跟國際標準這樣台灣才能走入國際市場國際也才能夠走入台灣我們看下一個PTT院長一定會回這些國際標準科學數據早就知道了但是院長當時將萊克多巴胺Codex整個妖魔化的是民進黨 |
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9449.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9456.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
當初民進黨高舉的美牛是毒牛反對瘦肉精的口號這些歷歷在目 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9458.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9479.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
所以當時你是依照中國大陸的制度是嗎?當時有沒有被列為風險可忽略的國家?美國有沒有被列為?委員要把時間序弄清楚才講說為什麼我們在面對國際標準的時候是承接哪一個國際的標準所以當時馬英九在做總統的時候當時沒有國際標準 |
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9484.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9489.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
當時說吃一點毒就是吸毒這一套民進黨的說法現在完全不適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9491.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9512.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
當美國被列為風險可忽略國家的時候整個國際的標準是在轉換但是不斷的對自己的承諾打臉我們現在都看得到我後面原本還想談啊院長過去蔡英文蘇貞昌對全民的承諾是採逐批檢視查驗及赴美查掌的 |
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9513.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9520.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
現在校正回歸我們都可以看到表格110年到110年180的逐批檢視查驗到113年7月3日查驗的結果之後調整一攀來做一個抽批驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
9535.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9558.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
請問一下隨著時間可以遞減隨著時間國人的健康可以不用再持續的檢查跟委員說明我們不是隨著時間遞減而是根據查驗的結果如果一直查驗都是安全一直查驗就是安全所以把門票打開讓國人的健康開始有漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9559.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9584.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
這個都是根據查驗的結果去調整你既然查驗的結果是希望國人健康你就應該繼續做下去好的政策繼續延續啊這個是我們的標準查驗的方式你查到之後我們就會加嚴那麼如果一直都是安全的那我們就會調整這個抽驗的批次這個都是標準的做法從嚴到鬆啊死安誰顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9586.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9611.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
所以這就是我今天要講的我當然知道你查到了基本上都沒問題所以你放寬啊可是我今天就是要提醒你不能放寬啊這個是一致的標準從各國來的都一樣只要有查到那我們就會增加抽驗的批次我們比照的是之前蔡英文跟蘇貞昌的一個承諾也比照的是 |
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9612.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9630.291 |
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民進黨所說的吸一點毒都是毒用最高最嚴格的標準去看所以我們希望實在的部分應該要不要再扯別題啦這就是民進黨最會的當我在跟你講的時候你就會扯別題不是我們現在準備進入國際市場 |
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9632.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9657.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
有問題也是請問一下你他叫非洲豬瘟還是台中豬瘟他是從我們的國門進來的還是台中自己會產生我不要這麼大聲我是說我們現在走入國際市場其他各國也是用國際標準來檢驗我們他如果設定一個高於特殊的標準我們也會提出任何的異議我們走入國際市場是如此國際走入台灣也是如此 |
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9659.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9674.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
但今天我在跟你講食安要重演的時候你在趕快搬台中豬瘟不是嗎我們現在進到國際市場也是國際標準在檢驗我們啊所以我就問你嘛台中豬瘟是台中自產的我說台中發生非洲豬瘟謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9677.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9700.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
謝謝你講出了實際的話本來就是這個樣子啊所以我們現在進入國際市場我今天要的是什麼我們的國門要更加嚴守不管是未來會發生非洲豬瘟的可能性我們要更加嚴守不管是現在我們看到了我們的逐批查驗變成抽批查驗我們也是要嚴守我的標準都是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9701.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9719.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
我們在談判的過程也會堅守食品安全國人健康這個原則不會放棄的委員放心主委長我對於我們三線高價延伸大慶烏日整體的我們現在鐵路高價化最關鍵的一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9720.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9741.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
也是未來山海線整合捷運南線跟整個串聯綠線的核心工程市府在去年7月已經完成了山線高架海線雙軌化捷運直線的三項重大建設的修正報告提交交通部我記得交通部也多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9742.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9755.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
有建議台中市政府應該要再做相關的修正也都陸續到位到交通部了我想問一下現在目前交通部能不能再更加努力的加速這個流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9758.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9781.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
目前他們送過來的時間是115年的3月6號我們現在鐵道局正在審議當中是不是能夠幫我們加速一下因為現在不管是我或者是許多的立委甚至我們江啟臣副院長對於現在鐵路高架化都會有關於牽涉到未來台中高鐵娛樂城相關的交通 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9782.225 |
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我相信您駐台中部長您尖峰時刻回到了高鐵你也會卡在建國北路上我這個部分不管是我江副院長我也要再特別問你74號線預留銜接閘道到高鐵站二樓 |
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院長我們今天要談的最後是台七四線的閘道銜接高鐵站的二樓這個很重要這是當年中央在設計台七四線的時候主導預留的銜接口目的很明確就是未來要把高鐵站交通做立體分流我們也多次的考察到現在都還沒有具體可不可以給我一個回應可行性研究市政府正在做我們等待市政府的可行性研究出來 |
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好,謝謝羅委員,謝謝卓院長下一位請吳斯亞委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席那有請卓院長請卓院長備詢稍後會有軍購的議題會有總預算的議題那相關的部門在自動向前委員好 |
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院長大家辛苦了今天時間有限那我依舊很快的我們就切入重點了國家只有一個國安跟民生是不分顏色的所以我認為這個會期立法院的三大要務就是軍購就是總預算以及對美的關稅談判希望能夠獲得國會的批准 |
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所以這三件要務是缺一不可的下一頁我們來看看幾個重要的時間點軍購條例已經到今天延宕了117天我們行政院在去年的11月就提出民眾黨版遲了兩個月國民黨版遲了四個月天下文章一大抄偏偏還抄錯 |
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偏偏還來搞破壞所以很高興昨天民進黨國防委員會的召委陳冠廷委員已經排審終於在延宕117天我們看到了曙光 |
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但是下一頁真理是越變越明的詭辯總是無所遁形顧部長也辛苦了昨天看到您在國防委員會很清楚的說明我們軍購案要支持就支持我們的正牌貨而不是冒牌貨我們要支持的絕對是優質品而不是劣質品法案就是如此 |
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國民黨提的3800億是打三折民眾黨的4000億的版本是打三二折 |
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那麼更刪除了臺灣之盾跟非紅供應鏈也就是讓我們的軍工產業五大信賴產業當中的國防自主也一併的被砍掉了我認為這是假支持真破壞如果就在野黨的版本通過我們的軍購就是綁手綁腳我們的國防就被斷手斷腳 |
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那麼昨天徐曉新委員垂詢顧部長的我不曉得他是在預告什麼 |
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一個軍購案第一天審好不容易開始審他已經在預告了後面的政治操作嗎他詢問顧部長如果通過的是在野黨的版本是不是未來行政院就決定不附屬了我沒有看過這種人自己要做壞事然後先向社會打預防針先做壞事然後先來套招我不看過這個立法委員 |
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所以今天我就教於院長這樣子當然我認為這種預測的心態現在立法院就好好審啊沒有什麼去預期未來附屬不附屬你只要提出合法合憲的我們當然附屬嘛那我在這裡就教於院長您正式的回答我們用什麼樣的心態面對好不容易開始審查的軍購特別條例 |
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非常謝謝國防部經過長時間 |
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真正有防衛自己的能力這個能力來自於國外對我們的武器的供採購也來自於我們國內自主的研發產製所以我們支持國防部全力向大院委員去做說明只要通過國防部提出的院版的那我們全力來執行 |
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所以在立法院只有審好審滿的問題嗎是沒有跳躍到附屬不附屬的這種政治臆測嗎我們看下一頁我整理出來就是賴清德總統上任之後立法院通過的法律案與決算案跟條約案只要是合法合憲的我們一定依憲法依法規來進行附屬跟公告累計有220個案子 |
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220案是賴清德總統上任之後行政院依法依憲該附屬就附屬而五個案子不附屬的就是因為國會的惡意通過違法違憲的議案不能夠逼迫行政部門來違法行政違憲行政所以我整理出來我也是給你們一個很大的強心針只要立法院 |
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通過的是合法合憲符合國家需要的我們一定依法來行政而國會要做的就是審好審罵 |
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謝謝委員幫我們整理出這樣一個數字那我覺得就是依法合憲那過去這幾個不附屬的案子最大的共通點就是破壞憲政的權力分立原則以及我們的財政的紀律這個是無法讓我們在執行上必須去符合的所以我們必須被動的採取不附屬這是保障中華民國憲法最後一個手段 |
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所以在這裡也給顧部長給您勉勵辛苦了我想您的答詢都非常清楚我再說一次真理是越辯越明只有詭辯才會無所遁形不好意思我沒有時間讓您答詢您要講幾句再一次喊話嗎顧部長 |
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我想還是誠摯的希望在野黨跟大家一起跟政黨一起坐下來我們明天就要進行逐條審議我們完整的去說明了我們強化防衛作戰整體的一個效能 |
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那這個是累積性的我們累積過去然後我們在破壞我們現在未來所應該要繼續建構的這些戰力那我們也說明了用公務預算不足之處以及它的限制那這些都是我們跟美方這麼久的時間來動紅破壞的這些項目美方也一再的肯定我們一兆2500億他一再的強調一兆2500億而不是在 |
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三千八百億或者是四千億所以我是真的期待國防不分顏色希望國會理性建都國防不分顏色您辛苦了也給我們辛苦的國防部門大家一起加油好 您可以請回 |
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下一頁第二個關鍵數字207天總預算已經延宕了207天今天都已經三月底了前所未見的國家政府總預算並沒有被審查連預算書的第一頁都沒有翻開下一頁但是呢藍白為了下台階用拆解總預算的方式國會來討一波 |
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我想預算不能挑三拣四 不能差別式的待遇 不能夠選擇性的放行要審就審3兆350億 一整個完整的議案而不是只放行718億 只放行2%換言之97.63%的總預算被擺爛 |
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就新興跟急迫性的預算呢2992億也只放行718億也就是等於76%的新興急迫性預算被丟包所以立法院這麼的投機取巧 |
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過去黨預算不審預算的大惡人現在居然把自己塑造成大善人是在給恩惠是在做功德但是立法院藍白主導他們不敢面對的事就是98%的總預算費丟包下一頁院長您看喔我整理出來非常重要幾項 |
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國家發展無分大小海預算放行也不能大小眼啊挑三減四之下只會掛一漏萬嘛我整理出來我非常關心的除了我們1.25兆的國防特別預算需要藍白一起來為了國家安全來支持之外總預算沒省780億的國防預算就沒丁沒當 |
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我們救災一倍金二倍金災準金就高達170億每丁每噸我們大家口口聲聲說要AI國家AI大國藍白都支持但是硬生生的總預算不省 |
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高達100億的AI新十大建設都沒有辦法動之更不要說富坤崎總召國民黨團的領導人對於東部鐵路我們因應花東的地震之後編列的78億鐵路要優化增強我們交通韌性有78億就因為總預算沒審全部都沒有辦法使用 |
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院長再喊話一下吧夏爺我看到在野黨的委員選舉到了才在良心發現說選舉到了軍購案跟走運專案地方都在罵現在好像才要跟國民黨團來喊話 |
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軍購一天都不可等民生一天都不可缺安全跟民生不是選舉那一天才重要我剛剛說的這些預算被擺爛被丟包我們怎麼辦院長是包括委員所提出的這些重點之外剛剛有委員推詢過的 |
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桃園鐵路地下化花東鐵路雙軌電氣化嘉義市區的鐵路高架化還有嘉義縣市的鐵路高架化以及國旅的加碼這個在交通部248億也是無法動彈的另外現在三月底了五月汛期快到了而且我們水情現在有發生75年來西部降雨量最少的這個水情的困難 |
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但是第一第二預備金跟摘損金都還沒有辦法動工行政院的責任如何能夠對人民負責 |
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如果這個因素是來自立法院未審預算那我們共同能承擔出這樣的責任嗎行政院還是誠懇的拜託立法院將包括780億之外的所有新生計畫新興計畫跟新生預算包括一二預備金跟篩選金以及包括整包的3,350億的 |
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整包的三兆零三百五十億的國家政府總預算一視同仁該審就審不可以拆解預算不可以挑三檢四但是在野黨非常的惡意操作他們就要逃掉就要躲過了為什麼 |
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這幾天突然冒出了這個核能政策是不是要轉完這不是我今天的主題但是我要點非核家園從我們去年5月17號核三二號機正式除役台灣已經進入非核家園已經是第311天了民進黨的非核家園政策是現在進行式我們沒有改變 |
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至於未來下一頁再下一頁再下一頁我們看到能源就是國力省著國際情勢來與時俱進國家要做的是二次能源的轉型要建置儲能的設施要優化電網的韌性要提升綠能的發電更要佈局能源的多元化如果執政團隊行政院這些事情沒有做 |
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我支持在野黨來批判我也會批判我也會監督但是面對國際能源的挑戰加劇政策在進行的請在野黨都要支持不要像上一次我們提出台電電網任性的預算全部被砍光了我要說的是下一頁 |
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重啟核電這個還要安全自主審查還要再運轉計畫還要通過核安無虞核廢有解社會共識三大關真的是要過恩關斬恩將言之過早八字沒一撇重啟核電是以年為單位 |
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但是現在台灣要面對的是以天為單位每一天都在跟時間賽跑一天都不能拖一天都不能等的軍購案跟總預算案大家不要被政治操作不要被轉移焦點我們趕快回防我們的軍購跟總預算那我來扣一個非常重要的題目啊下一頁 |
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最近呢我又擔心了過去違法違憲乾坤亂政親中的法案是讓全民受苦現在還在受害當中這個會期依舊變本加厲耶我快速的提醒您下一頁 |
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錢坑法案又來了老農津貼我們加碼照顧但是要量力而為行政院提出加碼到一萬元但是立法院已經有好多的版本三倍四倍總共要花四百三十七億錢從哪裡來下一頁 |
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國民年金一樣我們量入而出我們努力做到提升到五千塊但是也有很多的立院版本高達四倍五倍最高要六百五十億的預算錢從哪裡來還有下一個藍白合推的未來帳戶在畫大餅預約未來至少要支出國庫四千零三十億 |
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一點都沒有考量到國家的財政紀律跟憲法的權利分立的原則錢坑法案又來了違憲法案又來了下一頁下一頁而更關切的是國安的晶片國安法我們一定要慎防如果綁架了台積電破壞了台灣的戲盾弱化了產業的競爭力藍白可以負責嗎下一頁 |
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時間有限我要說一句關鍵過去國民黨總說沒有國民黨就沒有台積電我們要大聲的說只有民進黨才能保護台積電才能夠壯大台積電 |
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謝謝吳委員也謝謝卓院長報告院會上午質詢到此為止另外依黨團共識本次會議不處理臨時提案下午2點30分繼續開會進行質詢現在休息 |
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好 卓院長 曾副院長 各位閣議員午安我們現在 有很多貴賓我們在一台二樓旁聽到來自美國回來的空軍子弟親友參訪團我們掌聲鼓勵另外還有台灣世代教育基金會參訪團我們來掌聲鼓勵 歡迎他們 |
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不過以後我們現在繼續進行質詢 接下來請張家俊委員質詢 陳秀寶委員請準備院長我想請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢張委員好 |
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院長近期美伊戰爭局勢惡化引發全球高度關注更直接引爆了能源供應與價格的雙重危機能源穩定已經是國家生存的命脈我們看到鄰國包括韓國 |
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他政府已經開始要求所有的公務機關車輛現行五輛制五步制強制限縮公務用車還有能源消耗以日本為例日本政府已經啟動原油儲備包括透過調節庫存來穩定國內市場的供需院長我們的鄰居都已經進入暫時或者是緊急應變狀態我們 |
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從今天開始我們也要求從我本身做起我們所有對外的車輛出入的時候要盡量的精簡那我們已經開始在做了所以我們也跟上就是要讓公務機關開始節約能源然後限制這個公務用車的部分嗎開源節流都同時並行我們才能夠面對這一次中東情勢還不可預知的一些發展 |
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沒錯就是我想要講的就是真的是不可預知因為這是一個我們不曉得說他要打多久的戰爭所以我在這裡提醒院長還有部長就是說我們一定要更具體的措施那我覺得說如果以公務機關開始帶頭就像院長講的開源節流我覺得是一個非常具體的這個以身作則那其他方面有沒有更實際的這個作為呢 |
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報告委員節流的部分剛剛院長已經說明了那開源的部分我們就盡量來做那我們現在規定的這個就是油氣的部分油的部分那個規定是90天就是儲存量但是現在都超過這個數字而且超過50%以上非常多所以你的意思是說我們從現在到可能5月對 |
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都沒有問題?基本上都不會用到備用的因為我們現在的備用我們從當時二二八發生到現在我們的備用不僅沒有減少反而增加所以我們到目前大概就是超過一百五十天超過一百天一百五十天那有想過說如果這個戰爭 |
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持續超過150天我們有什麼樣的因應作實嗎因為那個150天會一直存在所以我們會不斷的新增讓這150天一直都存在當時剛剛委員跟院長提到的節流的部分我們也來做一些鼓勵所以院長跟部長是有信心要讓我們的民眾要安心說這個用油的部分呢應該是不需要擔心包括天然氣 |
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天然氣的部分我們現在在五月份大概都已經調度完成基本上那六月份現在開始在做一些調度大概也差不多一半已經調度到一半就是我們天然氣跟油的安全存量到目前我們都會把它滿載就油的部分安全存量90天現在我們保持150天就是150天會一直存在我們用新購買的油來使用天然氣也是一樣我們是11天現在也會保持這個安全存量但無論怎麼樣 |
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鼓勵人民跟所有政府機關帶頭先行節流這是平常都應該做的事情我也希望說我們要保持警戒心保持緊張的心情看待這件事情因為看起來好像是不會這麼快結束也不希望是一個長期抗爭無限戰希望我們行政院跟經濟部可以做好準備讓我們的一般民眾可以安心的對待這件事 |
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非常謝謝委員的提醒這個工作我們會列為首要再來跟所有部會來做更多的要求 |
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感謝院長這個非常感謝院長也很感謝部長有這樣子一個具體的數字讓我們全國人民可以知道然後可以安心那院長我接下來要問你有關於農業部的事情那我想院長可能非常清楚也非常的關心農民那大蒜的這個穩價措施明定從本週一23號開始收購那宣稱 |
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收購價是要在28塊以上但是現在基層是罵聲一片民眾都直接打電話到處去陳情說市面上的收購價根本沒有這麼高甚至遠低於這個價格您有聽說嗎 |
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我跟瑋瑜說明我們原來掌握的是大蒜的生產面積今年又比較多5547公斤比原來預計計畫中多了200多公斤多了500公斤 |
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我這裡數字是5300多了200 總是有比較多希望這個價格也能夠穩定下來目前大蒜除了產量的問題之外還有一些其他農作上面的狀況所以請問農業部正在就蒜農最大的利益來做思考是不是請部長來說說明 |
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我跟委員說明就是我們在處理大村的時候我們是透過一些一般的盤商或是收購的時候然後收購的時候如果他用28塊收購的話我們再啟動一些補助那用這種方式去穩定我們農民的價錢那現在目前雖然說5500多公頃 |
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但是因為今年的一些病害的關係導致他也適度的減產所以相對的他產量以五年平均來看還是差不多那有一個非常重要的就是因為從去年的十一二月到今年的三月有一些大蒜的進口那這個進口的量其實我們在監控的時候他是跟往常的量是一樣的 |
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但是因為去年的價格是比較好今年農民多種所以我們用28塊去做這樣子一個確保農民收益是適當的我想部長也很專業然後也很關心農民這個我都肯定但是我必須要提醒 |
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我想要院長知道一下我們地方的真相我幾樣提醒然後是不是請院長責成農業部盡快的去落實然後去關心為什麼收購價會沒有辦法在28塊以上呢 |
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因為農業部發給收購單位的公文裡面開了一個大後門寫著正常品規且價格由雙方依品質議定所以今年因為氣候變遷導致的這個葉蠻病害大蒜普遍它結球就偏小這個部長應該非常的清楚 |
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這個農業部這一紙公文等於讓盤商名正言順的以品質不佳來大肆砍價那院長農民甚至很激動的甚至很不開心的 |
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來問說新聞都說新聞都說了政府要收28塊為什麼我們賣不到呢是不是政府在騙我們啊他說是政府在騙我們那當然農民會有很激動的這種想法 |
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包括說這一次的第一階段總收購量是800萬台金總目標的收購量是1000萬台金這個是在公文裡面寫的那等於每0.1公頃的收購上限是 |
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2800台金那這代表什麼呢代表說這一項政策就算發揮到極致最多也能覆蓋357公頃那根據農業部最新的調查今年光雲林縣佔大眾的大蒜面積就高達了5252公頃 |
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那等於是說這個收購的總量連雲林的總面積十分之一都不到耶那它能夠產生什麼樣的效果這不就像抽抽樂一樣嘛 抽獎嘛就是有一些農民抽得到有一些農民抽不到那這樣子中樂透市的一個補助辦法到底真的能夠幫到農民嗎而且資源這麼少之外 |
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誰能夠加入評選是由特定的策略聯盟來評選誰能夠加入收購那現在基層的農民也許他沒有受過很高的教育但他也覺得這不合理啊他們強烈的質疑說是不是只有特定對象才賣得掉那這種抽勒透式的是不是黑箱是不是有什麼特殊的考量院長你覺得這樣公平嗎 |
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全國雲林是最大的一個大蒜的生產地雲林的大蒜產業策略聯盟也是一個健全的組織我希望農業部一定要跟這些農企以及農民團體在溝通的過程當中能夠依照我們設定的目標盡最大的能量去處理能夠收購的面積應該衡量到農民實際上生產的 |
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只有十分之一耶我稍微跟委員解釋一下我想委員也非常清楚第一個就是我們政府單位不可能全數去收農民所種的所有的大蒜這第一個所以從過去的經驗就是如果說我從市場抽離十分之一就是說它可以回到市場機制所以我們希望就是九年來我們再度的啟動這種所謂的協助的方式 |
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對所以我才會說我們用適當的力道去引導那個價格的提升那這中間會有黑箱嗎會有圖利特定的廠商我跟你保證絕對不會有另外那個品質的部分如果有任何案例我可以直接提供給部長可以 絕對可以我已經在 |
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要求也交代在不同的鄉鎮包括赤鴻、園長、東勢、水林有沒有這個主要的這個雲林的產區我都希望能夠普遍性的去收購我再提醒幾件事情然後再請院長跟部長一起回答好不好 |
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我現在覺得比較不合理的是政府農業部明明有編列美台金3元的處理費的補助但這美台金3元的處理費是在這28元之外喔不是補助農民是補助盤商 |
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現在農民質疑的就是說受傷害的是我們為什麼政府想要照顧的是盤商呢我就現在想要問啊這個過去過去其實曾經農委會也有過案例不管他們成交價多少依品項下去有一些成交比較高有一些成交比較低他就每台金補助兩塊五塊不一定那這個案例就覺得比較合理嘛你是 |
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這個錢是直接給農民拿到喔但是我現在不理解的是除了把28塊給這些特定的盤商之外還把3塊錢再給盤商那這樣子的話我就想要問一下那個卓院長您是支持盤商還是支持農民呢 |
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盤商應該要幫助農民跟政府一起來幫助農民這才是穩定他的農作的來源這是一個理想所以我的意思是說難道這三塊你不能直接給農民嗎你如果直接給農民的話我大概跟委員講委員就會清楚就是這些盤商去收了以後收了以後如果馬上倒進市場 |
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那相對的那個價格是越到越低所以我們希望說這些收購的這些大蒜能夠在延後再釋出那延後過程裡面的這些冷藏的費用我們來協助那它不只是盤商你只要大的專業農或者集團栽培的這些經營主體都可以來申請我們這樣的一個協助那甚至還有很多農民質疑他說其實盤商每年都氣說好喜施假 |
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他就先把契作的收一收他根本幫助不到散戶也幫助不到小農真正我們需要幫助的農民受不到幫助反而是幫助了盤商先穩定了他這邊有契作的你知道有合作的這個我們在規定的時候都特別講到如果說你盤商也是從事大家經營的時候你現在有八家就這個契作的他賣給另外一家這個契作的他賣給另外一家 |
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他們就八家聯合互相把契作的收一收外面的一般農民受不到幫助所以我今天是很誠懇的心情也希望說院長一定能夠體恤民情體會這些農民真的很辛苦我去到那田邊阿桑是坐在地上哭你知道嗎所以我他們 |
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真的很卑微他們就這三塊你補助盤商你不如直接補助他就有這三塊他就是覺得心裡有一點安慰結果這三塊他們不理解說為什麼還補助盤商呢而且他們一直覺得說那盤商就穩定了他自己的整個企作的部分而已根本幫助不到他們那我另外要講的是這個是有點調節的作用 |
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調節的作用能不能發揮他的效果部長要去檢討我們期待他能夠發揮比較好的調節讓市場穩定但是其實除了調節之外你也要考慮到說他們現在的心理大家是反彈的不得了反彈的不得了你等於是只補助了十分之一抽樂透式的搞不好那十分之一都不足盤商本來囤的本來他氣做的 |
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所以根本一般的農民是沒有辦法受益的院長我真的是希望你可以請農業部好好的思考一下這個落實一下真的幫助到一般農民其實你去雲林大家看到你那麼開心我們也希望說這一次算農的問題就院長可以關心農業部當然他有他的考量他有他的專業但是有時候社會上 |
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不是像農業部想的這麼樣理想化的一個狀態我也希望農業部可以納進口糧謝謝委員的一些建議那我想我們農糧署的各分署其實也不斷的在跟農民跟相關的產地去做這些座談那後續的部分特別是講登品部長你什麼時候下來我邀請你下來主持座談你願意來嗎 |
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我想只要是對農民能夠做溝通的我都願意下去像針對花生的部分其實我在過年後期我等一下花生我也要講一下我先把它講完我先講完就是說我舉例我其實有跟部長建議說這一次的病蟲害應該啟動天然災害現金救助那部長一直覺得說這個是蟲害不可以但是我們回顧2022年初 |
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當初在恆春半島的洋蔥也遭遇了非常嚴重的一個蟲害然後呢那時候的農委會也非常的體恤農民考慮到這個病害的背後是受連日大雨跟氣候巨變引發的所以它產生了這個行政的彈性給予了農民實質的災損補助 |
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那這個恆春的屏東的洋蔥的案例你不能不可能是因為之前的部長是屏東人他就可以然後我們現在的陳部長不是我們雲林人就不可以所以我必須要講這一次 |
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的蒜頭病害是因為天氣忽冷忽熱我們人都因為忽冷忽熱很容易感冒了更何況是作物那明顯的就是因為極端氣候異常所造成的病蟲害是不是農業部可以考量說比照過往的彈性跟經驗重新評估這一次的氣候跟病蟲害的關聯給雲林農民最及時的實質幫助呢 |
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我跟委員報告其實我們也做了一些評估那你舉的那些洋蔥的部分那其實天然災害救贖是因為天然災害所引起的一些農作物的損害那如果說這個農作物的損害跟病毒損害之間的關聯性這個我們會考慮那從大專來講他不是我現在你可以不用解釋你講的我都 |
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我要跟您說明就是當你要用病蟲來啟動天然災害的時候有一個重點就是所有的普遍性都要符合但是相對這次病害是有特定的幾個鄉鎮才發生了這樣的一個問題你就針對這幾個鄉鎮你如果可以針對這幾個鄉鎮我覺得沒話說每一個鄉鎮都有好的農民的管理有的是不好的管理你不可能屏東有 |
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然後雲林沒有,我覺得這個是不合理的這兩個是不一樣的我再繼續講,去年我們進口了多少公噸?18000噸那你知道今年1月到3月進口了多少噸嗎?6000多噸6830噸 |
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那照1公斤27塊的關稅少說也有1億的關稅我現在幫你找裁員這1億的關稅是不是院長可以讓讓他直接給農業部來支持我們這一筆開銷嗎我們算頭的這些關稅繳的很多了我想農業相關的政策我想院長一直很支持 |
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那相對的收入歸收入,收入就是要腳步那我們需要的話,我們就會跟院裡面去爭取相關的部位那你先不要回答,我沒有要你回答這一句我是希望院長說,既然進口了這麼多的蒜頭然後也繳了非常多的關稅這一筆錢有沒有可能給予農業部幫助讓他們可以幫助更多的農民 |
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關稅的用途他有必須要繳庫以後我們做一個計畫性的使用我跟委員報告即使沒有這個關稅的進口這筆關稅農業部也應該也必須有其他的策略措施來應用這個天然災害 |
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所以我還是希望我還是希望院長可以啟動天然災害現金救助幫助農民或者是補助盤商的這三塊錢直接讓農民受益農民直接拿到錢他就安心你補助盤商他就會擔心說哇 你要再給我二個介紹要再賺那三塊說實在喔 |
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我真的是覺得說這個機制是可以調整的雖然依照這個天然災害救出辦法病蟲害並不屬於天然災害我知道但是過去就有曾經覺得說這個病蟲害是因為極端氣候導致的 |
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它就有關聯嘛 這個剛才屏東的洋蔥粒子就是我請農業部迅速再去掌握正確目前最新的狀況那麼能夠精確的提出一個方式讓農民 大蒜農能夠安心也讓他們的損害能夠得到更多更多的而且我也希望說部長喔就是能夠真的受我的邀請來到雲林縣走一趟來看一下這一點喔 也希望部長可以排出時間 |
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我想時間許可我們一定會下去我希望你可以放在心上如果你覺得這是一件要事我相信你應該可以下來另外台美正式簽署了ART但是美國最高法院判決對等關稅 |
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是非法的所以ART的實際落實情況廣大的農民朋友都非常關心是不是請院長先簡單說一下最新的情況既然美方內部有爭議是不是我們也可以重新審視為台灣為農民爭取更好的空間呢 |
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我再重申原來我們所簽署的ART ART這個內容對國內的產業不管是工業 農業都居於最有競爭力的一個地位但這個IPAD法被美國最高法院判決失效之後現在引用122的條款那這方面比方說我們原來有27項專屬豁免的現在已經沒有了那稻米的部分原來也是對我們 |
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豁免他現在是全球豁免但至少在這個基礎上我們並沒有比別人別的國家還要差只是他全球公平了我們回頭過來我們會請我們的談判團隊繼續爭取跟美方談到能不能依照過去所談到的ART的這個談判的協議的內容對我國最有利的方式我們進一步去做爭取 |
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我覺得院長這個方向非常的好我也覺得絕對支持那就是如果能夠重啟談判的話我也希望提醒幾件要件包括這個條文上的一些協定像ART文本裡面協定第二點一條第二項原產於美國的農產品不應適用特別防衛措施就是所謂的SSG |
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那等於說以後萬一遇到傾銷我們沒有任何反制的措施院長是這樣嗎 |
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我第一個跟委員說明不管是特別額度配額內的關稅或是SSG特別防疫機制的部分是針對因為當關稅為零的時候就沒有所謂SSG但是當關稅沒有零的時候我們還是維持TRQ跟SSG |
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那我在問ART文本第二點二條第一項白紙黑字規定AIT透過其指定代表不應對原產於美國之貨品進口設置配額那這是代表我們未來不能夠針對美國農產品設置關稅配額嗎我的理解正確嗎 |
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我想以水稻來講我們這次的水稻是完全沒有做任何的讓步那相對的我們的配額稻米的配額是在WTO加入的時候美國就有原來的配額了所以那個配額是還是會存在的部分不會不見配額內就零關稅啦 |
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沒有一樣配額外的話他照樣有他的關稅因為他的關稅除非是零才會不會啟動SSG我還是希望呼籲一定要重視這個問題我指出了這兩點我希望院長也可以請我們的談判團隊再一次的審視他的內容然後不要說到時候我們回過頭來發現我們沒有辦法有任何抵制的這個措施剛剛聽張委員在談這個我們簽署ART的條文內容 |
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我可以認定你非常了解這個內容以稻米而言我們原來的配額原來的保護政策都是有的因為他現在用112變成全球豁免如果我們再回到ART的內容的時候我們還是會擁有跟過去一樣的國際競爭力是 院長那再接下來就是華生了 |
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我們2002年加入WTO的時候當時設計的花生關稅配額一年是5253公噸因為美國花生具大規模機械化的與補貼的優勢價格大概是我們國產花生的三分之一這個您很清楚而且我也知道您非常關心我們也通過電話針對花生的部分 |
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那如果假設現在美國可以零關稅無配額無限量的進口那這對花生產業是一個毀滅式的衝擊院長這個制度手下了台灣花生產業這24年現在很擔心說會不會這個MRT或者是會不會現在跟美國的談判最後會讓本土的花生業全面棄手 |
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是我們的市場上本來每一年都有一定的量是需要從國外進口的那其中印度阿根廷量是比較大的巴西阿根廷對巴西阿根廷量是比較大的而且進口跟國產的花生賣相品質都不太一樣進口是沒有殼的其實你跟我說明的我理解你想要用進口取代進口然後這個等於是讓他們進口跟進口之間去競爭但是美國的花生 |
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假設他的成本又比阿根廷的低其實就會誘發這個食品加工他會希望擴大進口的使用量然後就會壓縮到本土花生的使用量這個是有一個替代性的 |
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那所以是不是有可能除了我們要去關心這個配額之外或者是關稅之外我們也要針對本土的花生一定要標示清楚因為假設你不標示清楚這一定要做而且現在就要開始輔導他們準備我跟委員說明謝謝委員對花生的一個關心那第一點就是 |
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的確花生是值得我們要去關注的但是我們未來的花生就像委員長講的花生不應該在馬路再繼續曬所以這是一個機會我們不應該再用價格的戰爭因為用價格戰爭永遠打不過外國的我們應該提升到價值醬油你有標示說黑豆釀製或者是古法釀製或黃豆台灣花生唯一選擇 |
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對 台灣花生你一定要有本土的標示包括說假設加工廠他把本土的跟進口的混在一起降低成本這種的標示對 我想 我跟委員說明農業部有一個農產品生產及管理及驗證辦法這裡面只要一規範下去的時候你的所有的產品都要標示 |
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不管是花生農或是花生加工廠他們都在做所以我也很希望說部長然後院長你們既然這麼關心這些人真的一定要把這個措施跟具體的配套趕快研擬出來因為不曉得什麼時候會開始那我們如果準備好的話呢就會降低他們的不確定性那我最後想要為這些花生農請命 |
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假設我們的價格競爭力是等於是他們是我們三倍的競爭力那我們現在花生的轉作金額是一公頃兩萬五我們是不是能夠提高我們花生轉作的金額 |
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把我們花生農的成本降低讓他們跟進口的有這個等於是有抗衡的力量有競爭的力量我們把花生的轉作金額拉高包括我記得像花生只有兩萬五毛豆就五萬啊甚至有一些更高是到六萬七萬如果假設 |
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舉例啦 假設我們只有他三分之一的競爭力我們要乘以三倍的話兩萬五乘以三就是七萬五一公頃假設是七萬五其實跟很多其他的作物相差也沒有太大也不是說他獨樹一格說他拉得比較高是因為過去花生的轉作金額比較低那是不是有可能請院長考量說 |
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為了要迎接這個進口的衝擊我們把花生的轉作金額把它拉高起來我跟委員報告就是您說的這樣的一個轉作的一個金額的調整那已經在我們的相關的配套座位裡面那相關的轉作的金額一定是考慮到它的栽培的一個成本而不是值錢 |
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我現在就是在提醒你說有這個可能性希望你們可以納入考量最後因為時間不多我想要知道說農業部為了鼓勵農漁民子女安心就學有一個就學心機制有補助公私立高中或大專院校的學生農民就跟我反應這個有排富排富也合理就是你有120萬以上你就是不能 |
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申請這個這個就學金但是農民就跟我說他說我是一個孩子我如果一百二十萬我排付合理我有三個孩子同時在討債我也是一百二十萬他的負擔是額外重的所以是不是農業部可以比照教育部把這個子女數分類然後來補助因為這多出來的錢不會很多但是他會真的照 |
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好 謝謝張嘉峻委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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我們在議場二樓旁聽來自歐洲價值安全政策中心Welcome Taiwan, amigos, amigasWelcome另外一批來自於台北商業大學的同學我們掌聲歡迎各位同學好 接下來我們請陳秀寶委員執行 黃建斌委員請準備 |
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縣院長請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長請陳委員好院長好那在質詢之前呢我想因為剛才新聞有發布一個蠻遺憾的消息就是我們經貿辦公室的副總談判代表員惠心女士那她在日前就因病來逝世 |
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我想這次在整個對美的經貿談判裡面我們副院長鄭麗君所領銜的這些相關的團隊包括我們政委楊珍妮還有我們這位顏女士其實對我們整個的談判都付出了相當多的心力而且不負所託帶回好成果在這邊其實我要提醒 |
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各位公務單位其實大家對自己的工作都非常認真非常的敬業但在這個同時都要保重身體這樣子消息是讓國人覺得相當的遺憾畢竟他們在整個的經貿談判的過程裡面為了國人為了我們台灣為我們國家的權益是真的拼付全力那這個部分也就是所有的同仁們在付出工作的這個 |
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之餘呢其實對自己的身體健康也都要重視謝謝陳委員的關心我們彼此保重我也希望大院韓院長所有同仁都能夠保持愉快健康的身心那對於顏惠欣副總談判代表覺得非常的遺憾日前得知她提出有辭役提出辭呈後來我們進一步了解真的是因為長期可能是工作上的壓力以及身體上的 |
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不是所以他必須離開這工作更訝異的是離開不久之後我們就偷懶聽到這個二號那麼也對他的家家族表達非常高的一個敬意跟質疑那麼我們再次希望所有同仁在公務的時候竟然工作量非常大壓力很大也要保持健康而且多多休息的身心狀態 |
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謝謝院長好我們先來關注關於美港公路高架化的議題院長您也知道美港公路高架化是本席爭取的重大建設而且從2020年5月在總執行之間向交通部長林交通部長提出爭取啟動美港公路高架化的可行性研究一直到今天 |
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2026年3月24號是第8次在總值巡禮來提出關心美港公路高架化的進度在去年2025年的9月23號綜合期末規劃報告地方說明會跟生態檢核說明會我們鄉親都非常踴躍的參加支持而且希望說我們可以加速進行 |
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那在2025年的10月7號公路局這邊是回覆說綜合規劃其中報告在2025年的6月26日已經審核同意那現在是進入期末報告的階段預計在1月會開期末報告審查會議 |
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那這個2024年行政月是已經有核定期末報告的總金額這個經費是來到167.84億那按照原定的期程現在應該是已經進入環評的階段我請教院長現在的進度如何 |
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那在今年的1月已經第一階段的環評說明書已經完成現在正報環境部在審議當中那這個6.3公里左右的長度預算剛剛委員說的是167.8億目前在一階環評的過程當中那是我們希望接下來環境部以及交通部還有跟地方能夠 |
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快速的來配合讓您多年來為地方爭取的這個交通建設能夠早日讓它落實如果這樣依照目前的狀況可能很快就會順利的進入到二階環境因為美港公路近期有傳出今年的第一件石虎入殺事件引起民眾都非常大的關心那統計的更顯示說從2021年開始美港公路所在的和美鎮周遭已經累計發生9起 |
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石虎路上的事件顯見我們要落實石虎的保育改善美港公路的車流是非常重要而且是刻不容緩那美港公路高加化可以協助來翻善車流也減少美港公路平面的車流量所以這邊本席要建議說未來我們是在美港公路上可以評估設置動物安全通道 |
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這個可以納入我們的評估裡面嗎報告委員 環評委員會針對這個做出一個評估那也會建議開發單位做出該有的處置所以我們會把這個訊息給環評委員做一個參考也會給開發單位做參考 |
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是因為降低十五倍狀的風險同時也是提高民眾的用路安全所以這邊要請 懇請院長一定要支持加速美港公路高焦化的這個相關進度這是鄉親翹首以盼希望可以很快的有更快一步的更進一步的好消息好 那接下來我們一樣要來關心是我們彰化的交通的問題 |
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就是本席一直非常的 |
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努力的爭取就是我們台六十一線入港休息站而且這個設置也讓民眾十分的期待因為從前不管是高速公路快速道路經過彰化縣都沒有任何一個休息區休息站可以讓用車用路的民眾來提供他們這個休憩的這個功能那這也是我們彰化縣第一個快速道路的休息站因此民眾對這個休息站有很多的建議 |
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例如說休息站落成之後是不是會對地方的交通有沒有衝擊或者說我們休息站的停車位是不是充裕還有休息站會不會建置電動車的快速充電樁也有很多民眾提到說台61線的路崗段的路面是不是可以有維護的問題我想請教一下休息站目前是不是還在細部的設計的階段 |
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對 西部設計 而且進行招標作業 請部長說明我們目前正在進行招標的作業那委員剛剛所提到的廁所的設置充電樁的設置 停車場的設置等等其實都先期都規劃好了那現在只要有廠商願意進來做我們希望說在明年的四月可以完工七月可以正式來營運 |
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所以你們預計的進度是在明年的4月因為要有廠商願意來招標那我們其實南部也有在做這樣子休息站的設置那不過現在廠商來投標的意願沒有這麼高那我們現在有另外一個策略就是說我們是不是也請我們高工局把現在做高速公路服務區的這些廠商引導他們過來公路局這邊就是做我們西濱的這個休息站那我們目前正在跟他們洽商當中 |
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好那這個部分也請交通部這邊可以盡量的來協助讓這個民眾一直很期待的這個休息站鹿港區休息站彰化的休息站第一個設置的能夠盡快的讓民眾感受到說其實彰化除了提供路過的這個功能其實我們可以提供民眾一個在入境這個在入境彰化的時候有一個機會可以來認識彰化認識鹿港那 |
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剛才院長跟部長這邊有說其實民眾這些建議我們會納入這些參考也希望說我們可以盡快來有一個好的消息可以給民眾謝謝我要再關心下一個是民生的問題 |
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院長首先本席還是要先肯定在我們台美的關稅談判裡面我們帶回了好的成果那即便說目前美國正在針對我國進行301調查但本席相信政府會守護我們我國產業最大的利益 |
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也會做出對我國產業最有利的待遇但目前要先來關心未來美國液態牛乳進口這個問題我請教院長未來美國的液態牛乳進口是勢在必行嗎 |
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如果依照雙方談判的內容有涉及到這個形象那基於雙方的互信我們所談判的內容我們必須要執行那現在是因為這還沒有生效但是目前還在一個爭取能夠確保雙方談判內容基礎的這個情況底下 |
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好那本席這邊也先肯認這陣子農業部為了因應我們有將國產鮮乳才能標示為鮮乳的這個政策我們提前會到七月份會提早實行就是來因應萬一這個真的是液態乳油乳是要進口進來的話對我們的國產乳品衝擊會小一點 |
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他就必須有鮮乳的標章必須有生產履歷還要達到CS這個認證之後國產的才能叫做鮮乳兩個字那雖然針對這些相關牛乳鮮乳的進口呢農業部給本席的回覆是認為說美國的這個液態乳呢目前應該你們覺得他最大的競爭者是現在已經在進口的這個紐西蘭的冰磚奶 |
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而且你們會覺得說這種大份量大容量的這樣的銷售方式是不符合我國這種小家庭這種形式的消費的習慣但是其實本席還是要提醒農業部我們要降低對我們國產鮮乳這些的衝擊 |
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我為什麼要提出這個問題因為我們彰化縣的生乳產量是全國第一而且在我的選區福興鄉就有酪農的聚落目前有很多酪農陸續來跟本席陳情他們所產出的生乳有被拒收或是被減收的狀況而且這個不只是私人企業有些縣市的農會系統也已經開始減收乳量 |
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所以我想請教院長跟部長你們對這個資料款有掌握嗎跟委員說明就是您所說的就是有部分的酪農跟原來的氣味的這些牛奶廠有被減收的部分我們了解的部分是有兩家有一家是因為品質的關係沒有達到標準所以被減收 |
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那另外一家是因為他地區比較偏遠那全國農會他不願意去收那至於說全國農會不願意去收的部分我們現在也啟動一些相關的協助那這個部分我想我們一直關注著爐廠跟酪農之間的技術乳價 |
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那這個基礎乳價我們也重新去啟動他的成本的計算因為有些弱農認為這個基礎乳價的計算的公平性不足所以我們在今年度其實已經很快的去啟動這樣的一個基礎乳價的重新的計算那我們希望說我們的鮮乳是我們的乳廠最主要的來源然後不足的地方特別在做調味的或做加工的部分才用進口的這些乳那這個部分我想我們也跟乳廠也跟弱農一起來努力 |
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那第二點就是我也跟委員說明台牛本身的零關稅我們一直很怕它的衝擊去年一整年總共只增加了大概900多噸的這些液態爐但是如果說把您剛才說的那個冰磚爐的部分是減到6%那紐西蘭有增加的澳洲的就減少了 |
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所以後續的這些冰磚爐本身其實我們很擔心但是它的因為競爭跟紐西蘭跟澳洲的競爭本身美國不一定是佔優勢因為美國是以鮮爐為主然後它的通路都是以Costco跟福樂其實現在農業部所做的這些評估都是針對可能是怎樣那它真正進來之後最造成的衝擊其實我們還 |
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還沒有遇到所以還不曉得,只是說我們先要預防這一塊我們先...了解了解,我們會來努力這個部分呢,我還是要跟你們講喔地方其實在盛傳啦,未來減少收入會是一個趨勢,這其實造成落農非常的緊張喔我在這邊其實我要求農業部,第一個 |
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我們農業部應該了解生乳遭拒收或減收這個狀況並且予以協助來穩定落農的信心第二個部分我希望農業部應該要研議來設立推廣國產鮮乳以及乳製品研發的專責單位第三個部分我們要建立國產鮮乳品質的消費者的信心我們將價格帶來的衝擊降到最低其實一個農場的牛隻動輒三五百頭 |
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那如果說他被減收或是契約到了他沒有續約他拒收之後牛隻何去何從這個部分農業部其實希望你們有具體的方案來協助農場再來講到乳製品的部分乳製品的研發製造技術希望農業部這邊你們可以提供資源來協助像我們國人都很愛持用的起司啊乳酪相關的製作還有像像義美公司他有出一種無乳糖牛乳 |
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就是已經把乳糖先處理掉了這個對於我們很多國人有乳糖不耐症他希望攝取到鈣質跟蛋白質的補充這是一個非常好的選擇那如果有這樣的技術我們來推廣我們讓更多人可以很方便的食用鮮乳我們國產鮮乳我想這個對於整個鮮乳的流通銷售也是一個很好的方法來推廣再加上我們其實我們都鼓勵民眾要使用在地食材 |
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因為國產鮮乳就是在地食材其實我們國產鮮乳這種甘甜純淨是進口乳無法比擬的那我們如何堅持消費者這個使用的習慣對國產鮮乳的信心我希望我們農業部這邊有比較具體的因應 |
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我簡單的回應委員第一個部分相關的這些酪農跟爐廠之間的一個關係性我們一定會去以酪農的立場去跟爐廠來談有一些錯假訊息就是說開始謠言說爐廠不收事實上我們也曾經聽過這個消息但是我們詢問以後事實上爐廠並沒有這樣子的一個訊息但是我們一定會去加強萬一有這種謠言的部分我們第一時間破除 |
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第二個部分就是您剛才講的加工的乳製品的部分那我們也提供了很多的經費給學校或是特別是食科所做相關的研發的部分第三個部分你講的最重要就是行銷的部分那行銷的部分怎麼樣透過在地的產製品具有比較低碳的生產我們已經規劃了把台灣的鮮乳結合我們的碳足跡標籤那碳足跡標籤就可以當作一個比較 |
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好 謝謝陳秀寶委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 農業部長備詢 謝謝 |
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會員會我們在一層二樓旁邊來自美國青年領袖訪問團好幾位州的眾議員還有市長議員我們掌聲熱情歡迎歡迎另外一批來自台北商業大學各位同學歡迎大家我們掌聲歡迎歡迎謝謝接下來我們請黃建斌委員質詢 |
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張衍林委員請準備謝謝院長 我們有請行政院院長還有農業部部長上台再請左院長農業部長備選黃委員好 院長好 部長好 |
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台東是台灣面對太平洋的地道門面更是我們全國重要的農業的重鎮但現在台東的農民他現在面臨著三個壓力第一個就是外銷卡關第二個就是天災的衝擊還有生產成本的高漲農民的生計受到嚴峻的考驗跟挑戰 |
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那今天本席要特別針對台東中澳兩項經濟命脈的作物也就是釋迦跟稻米向中央來反映地方農民長期以來所承受的這些困境那我們中央在制定政策的時候應該要更正視我們這些台東農民所面對的市場不確定性還有氣候的風險我們不能讓第一線的生產者獨自承擔所有的壓力那修正本席要說的就是我們的經濟作物就是釋迦 釋迦的部分 |
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那過去世嘉我們外銷曾經有達到一年破萬噸的這個規模那今年大幅的銳減那去年更只剩下三千噸那這樣的落差其實我相信院長跟部長都很清楚知道因為我們主要的整個外銷的市場都是以中國大陸為主 |
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那也因為兩岸這幾年的政治氛圍的關係然後缺乏溝通的機制底下然後再加上關稅的種種問題現在農民要承受這樣的結果那我們目前我們正在推動這個農產品海外託銷獎勵計畫這是今年馬國部長今年這樣結尾後 |
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是要針對往年最大的海外的私家海外市場來做一些運費的補貼可是我們今天看到中國大陸是完全沒有那這個是不是在告訴農民說我們要放棄中國大陸這個市場那如果是真的要放棄的話那我們配套措施在哪裡這個是不是要讓我們農民也知道說我們不要賣中國大陸我們要賣德國我跟委員報告其實鳳梨私家是一個標準的被中國操縱的一個品項 |
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那在110年的時候他用借殼種的部分禁止我們輸出以後那時候農民都非常跟農業部站在一起我們努力的去外銷可是到了112年他又不透過正式的聽我講不透過正式的一個談判跟協助又開放了結果農民本來跟我們配合的現在他又不跟我們配合了 |
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這樣子的一個方式我想產銷的條件一定是政府跟農民一起站在一起部長其實本席要問的就是這個本席其實是我第一次質詢跟部長討論的我們就是針對本屆各種的問題嘛對不對其實我們都相信我們很努力這幾年來其實我們也做了很多嘗試包括新南京包括冷鏈送到北美其實我們都做很多嘗試可是現實問題就是這一些情況 |
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部長這個產業要形成不是這麼簡單你從種植然後到改良到市場接受然後找到市場這個一個循環它經過一二十年的努力部長這是我們台東進度的狀況我也要跟農民的意見反映給部長聽就是說如果真的我們今天這個市場不適合的時候我們有沒有其他替代的市場在 |
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如果在還沒有市場之前我們這個市場是先把它維持住不然它牽涉的不只是釋迦農它包括這些周邊的產業農藥肥料這些耗材這種種還有包括靠這個維生的這些工人這不一定這是農民的心聲 |
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我先來幫你補充聽我幫你報告你記得去年院長到台東的時候有沒有針對那個資助有沒有的一個協助那表示說其實我們對世家農是非常協助的那後續我們包括我們的外銷包括我們的加工產品我們一定會跟我們的世家農一起在努力讓他變成一個多元的市場 |
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對我們還是要找出路嘛對不對所以我看到今年你也推出一個轉作的計畫嘛就轉作一公頃二十萬嘛對不對部長一公頃二十萬塊這個年薪三成分就沒夠這個誘因怎麼樣讓他來轉作這個是我覺得政策上還要再去考慮的問題那另外我想還是要跟部裡面這邊來建議啦針對 |
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我們整個施加出口的問題還有檢疫的問題我們中央還是要面對這些要扛起責任我們地方都願意來配合我們願意來行銷好不容易找到一個台東很引以為傲而且是很重要的經濟作物我們希望不要這麼輕易的放棄它 |
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沒錯 我希望農業部能夠協助我們的農民建立更多的海外市場並不代表我們要放棄任何一個市場但是我們希望建立的是一個穩定而且沒有政治干涉的產商秩序當然 我們都期待是這樣但是更多元的國際市場去做更多的開發這是必要的 |
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但是原有的市場我們如果維持他是個穩定沒有干擾的我們當然全力的來協助院長我們都支持因為我相信雞蛋不能放在同一個籃子裡面我們也不想要讓這些農民他這麼辛苦耕作被政治因素影響但是在還沒有找到替代市場之前是不是能夠不要這麼快的就做這個決定 |
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你看接下來大廚怎麼辦所以我第二個要講的就是說剛剛農業部有說他過去協助過農民我們有曾經這樣的轉型過那因為後來又因為回顧到原來的方式所以現在有一點困難再請農業部能夠精進跟農民互相的 |
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合作跟取得彼此的信任我們往更健全而且是海外多元市場的開發我相信院長其實也到跟我們一起看過齋你知道一年之內就剩下的水果不簡單那一個世界要成長要種植到收成要三年的時間那個不是說毀就毀掉的所以這個部分還是希望農業部這邊來演繹這些方式包括說你們提到那個加工的方式部長我這邊也要反映一下那個 |
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你說要加工補助給加工業者1公斤25塊嘛對不對市價要加工嘛1公斤25塊嘛部長你知道現在1公斤市價多少嗎要看A國、B國或AB國對你也提到了A國、B國、C國那你A國的價錢怎麼可能是用25塊這個可能會讓這些業者有這種定貓的效益就是說現在收過價25塊農民說喔我聽我說了農民說喔我賣酒汽我就先賣汽油啦他就自己15塊賺在那裡 |
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這個東西我覺得在政策上推動上真的要來做適時的修正包括現在市場的價錢包括部長提到的A國的價錢B國的價錢它本來就不是放在同一個水平上所以保定這些保温也要保在這裡我們會來努力特別是在加工跟限時的市場分流的部分 |
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那如果完全加工果如果完全用生鮮果去做的話他後面沒有市場所以我們已經在協調加工業者用BB果或B果去收的時候那相對比較不好的果進去冷凍以後削皮去外銷冷凍外銷是可行的這個部分我想可能要讓 |
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第二個部分就是其實中國市場外銷的部分我跟去年相比的話大概是去年的91%但是因為今年的產量比較少特別是去年幾乎每一個世家的農民都有領到天然災害救助每一公尺都有9萬5的部分所以以他們的收入來講我想我們還會努力的去維持它的一個價格 |
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而且我們一起加油剛好部長講到這個天災的部分本期就要再談到第二個就是關於風災的問題那其實院長跟部長都很清楚知道台東就是面對太平洋海景第一排每一次的颱風10顆有8顆我們都低個重所以農損都非常嚴重那部裡面其實也推動在世家保險上去年也推動這個風力保險不過風力保險其實因為台東去年遇到幾個颱風然後因為風力測驗的問題 |
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造成很多的糾紛因為它的測驗點它在不同的地方所以採集到的那個級數是有落差的那本市也召開幾次的這個協調會這邊也是希望這部裡面未來在針對整個農業保險的政策包括整個理賠方式要再重新檢討測的點在哪邊這個都會影響到這保溫也請保證這一點 |
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部長你也知道去年那個風力保險之亂 |
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對因為農民在質疑說你的車你的你的車色點在那個方封令裡面一定都有落差但我覺得還是要找出一個比較能夠讓大家能夠接受的方式因為保險他不是補助保險他不是補助那這部分剛才提到解問題我想要請農業部這邊在兩週內提個報告那接下來我們就先 |
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釋迦的問題到這邊我們講稻米的部分那台東稻米的品質在台灣的品質好起不只全國連全球都知道台灣的米的品質是好的那當然除了我們優秀的種植農民種植的技術以外另外就是品牌的行銷也非常的重要不過 |
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今年有農民在跟我反映就是我們從民國84年開始推動的這個台灣稻米達人的這個選拔賽中央今年宣布要停辦這個引起很多稻米的反彈 稻農的反彈他說我要怎麼證明我的品質比人家好就是透過比賽吧因為你有贏農是怕不? |
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院長有認同嗎我們很多年前在2004年2005年左右我們曾經看到那個邱垂昌親龍回到海東去做我們那個時候的陳哲平總統還市民給他叫做一個美國總統美國的總統我想這個對他的這個產值價值應該比較高很多 |
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這是對大農很大的鼓勵我可能不會賺錢,我可能不會怎樣,但是我很堅定我要拚一切全國第一名這個是對農民的一個鼓勵所以部長這個部分是不是會研議重新再辦理我跟委員說明因為最近我在處理我們農業部所有的這些 |
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有關於比賽的這些獎項我們大概有42項大概花了1億5可是這1億5裡面有將近1億2千萬是在做行政作業我覺得這是不合理的所以我會重新去做調整那我也可以保證說 |
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相關的稻米的達人類似的這樣的一個選拔我們會持續但是不一定是用達人這兩個字我會整合跟相關的稻米的一起來做這樣的話才能夠有讓他有他的特殊性提升台東稻米的品質這個是部長我在委員會質詢你說台東稻米的品質其實才是我們未來要走的方向走精緻走直 |
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紙而不是品量嘛對不對那另外就是還有我們除了內需的市場以外這邊我講我們也要來協助我們的優質的稻米來做外銷那像近期日本因為這個稻米市場出現缺口那我們透過608項這個農藥殘留檢驗的標準我們新竹的糊口米就成功的進入日本市場成為熱銷商品我相信如果台東也能夠來這樣輔導甚至全台灣這樣的稻米也應該有機會來外銷 |
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我第一個很高興跟有這個機會跟委員說明我這次去日本東京食品展我見了非常重要的一個人士然後也提到了一個稻米的合作的模式就是用台灣的稻米結合日本清酒的製造技術去做成所謂的台灣的日本清酒類似這樣的一個模式那我們也希望說由特別是台東花蓮地區的有機的稻米 |
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那他們是很認同的部分包括你剛才講的很多藥檢都是合格的部分所以這個部分後續我想我們會有系統來促成這樣子的一個合作謝謝部長 部長今天的回覆都非常的正面我相信這個對大龍來講是很大的鼓勵但是其實大龍最近也很擔心就是說未來關稅的問題外國的低價稻米會不會衝擊他的市場我想關稅的部分稻米完全是沒有去碰觸的 |
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我們原來的配額還是配合144,720噸的配額還在那邊謝謝不會有任何的改變謝謝部長正面回應那我們講到這些東西其實還是回到就是一個農業的灌溉系統這個是本席其實常年跟農民這邊接觸他們反應就是說 |
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我們台東其實每次只要遇到豪雨或是颱風我們的灌溉系統就都會毀損那原因有很多啦當然就是當然水菌的毀損它有因為天然災害但還有一個就是說因為我們傳統都是我們灌溉都是用傳統的土體嘛就用土體去堆置然後引水進去灌溉可是每到大雨的時候這個土體沖毀之後水就進不來這個部分會讓農民很生氣就是我明明看到河裡面就這麼多水可是我田裡面一滴都不夠 |
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那像今年遇到更尷尬的是他剛好要插秧了他們很擔心說那個秧苗一直在長大可是田裡面一直沒有水這個會影響到整個稻米的生產的產業所以這部分是不是請部長能夠再責成我們相關的單位那在針對的整個灌溉系統上能夠來做加強 |
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我想也謝謝委員關切這個議題其實去年我大概去了台東三四次的過程裡面那也了解到很多因為台東的那個溪流的距離比較衝擊的部分所以他其實缺了兩樣東西一樣是郡路的整修不是用土地的部分 |
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第二個是更重要的就是蓄水設施的一個建制所以我已經請我們的農田水利署針對這兩個就是有系統的去改善這樣的一個進入的設施更重要的是加強更多的這個蓄水石的部件那這樣的話才能夠讓我們的稻米能夠順利的來生產 |
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謝謝謝謝部長部長今天都有解決到我們台東農民的這些問題好那接下來我要再談的就是謝謝部長請教我現在要請我們交通部長上台麻煩請交通部長 |
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就是院長部長其實東部人常年來的一個心願就是有一條安全回家的道路那其中這個花東塊其實等了這幾十年台灣等了幾十年那好不容易我們在在前幾個會期我們也通過了這個主決議然後要來做 |
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安全性的評估那我記得在委員會的時候問過部長是說目前的情況部長回答是說目前看起來效益確實是不足那又說交通部正在努力找出一段可行的方案那現在已經2026年了我去年問的現在2026年了那目前的評估做的情況核定了嗎然後接下來的方案向委員報告目前還在評估當中 |
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交通部目前還在評估當中那確實啦我們過去其實做過幾次的評估他的那個效益一直沒有大於1一直沒有大於1我們現在還在找找看有沒有哪一個路段例如說是他的效益有機會大於1的我們就會優先來做在北部其實也有一些路段的未來的這個公路我跟院長跟部長分享我第一次在交通委員會質詢的時候我講了那句話就是說台東人的命要比路還要長 |
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因為其實我們的交通環境它會影響的不只是整個發展包括整個後送那很多東西其實不能夠用經濟效益來衡量特別是人民的部分那特別是立法院通過的主決議也希望政府對人民來負責那本席這邊也要求行政院務必要遵守承諾盡快的進行可行性的評估報告然後加速整個後續的工程然後保障我們華東人有一條安全回家的道路 |
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那OK那除了花東塊以外本席也非常注意的就是我們還有另外往南邊就是我們的南迴公路那南迴公路其實不只是台東觀光農產的重要的幹道更是我們南迴居民後送醫療的生命線我們在100年的時候開始進行台九縣南迴公路拓寬改善工程之後但是其實這幾年南迴公路受到天災的侵襲各位可以看到這張照片 |
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這個是大五鄉大鳥道金輪段他只要遇到大雨或是好雨他就會下線那這個可以看出來從去年七月到八月影響的情況還有另外就是整個土石流攤方的問題這陸基掏空了攤方了所以南圍公路其他的脆弱性是看得出來的 |
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在我們民國80年的時候其實政府有提出一個國道南橫高速公路的計畫它規劃是從泰馬里穿越北戴河山連結國道3號到台88線讓我們台東到高雄的行車只要縮短1.5個小時當時其實地方會要了解 |
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民眾的需求也做了一個訪問的統計中研院做了這個電話訪問之後有八成的民眾都支持要興建最後是因為他會穿越北大武山這個保護區所以這個計畫沒有辦法進行我們原本以為這個計畫沒了 |
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在111年1月18號查資料交通部有公布這個施政成果跟未來展望裡面他忽然間提到要規劃南回快速公路那顯然我們交通部在思考之後 審慎思考之後覺得南回採快速公路的可行性是可以的但是很遺憾的經過那一次之後又沒有消息了那本席認為其實我們其實有走過南回公路都知道它一邊連著太平洋 |
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他對海岸對道路的侵蝕是一直不斷在發生那這個部分的路段因為天災因為攤房而中斷所以我想南緯絕對有必要再興建一條快速道路那我想這也是政府當年提出的這些想法那 |
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如果我們南緯快速道路能夠新建成的話不僅連結我們平淡的快速道路讓台東、屏東、高雄可以變成一日生活圈也可以讓台東的物流透過快速公路迅速的往西部發展那帶動整個經濟 |
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這個是當時 各位看到這是當時興建南圍快速道路的優點促進東部產業發展 提供台東地區前天後高階級高品質的公路運輸服務第三個是擴大觀光核心據點影響圈並均衡區域發展第四個是提供快速運補功能 完備國防整體的戰略需求 |
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所以這條路是非常多的優點我在這裡也要提醒有一句話說路若通 走順便會成功那台東長年以來因為交通的變異造成發展相對是沒有西部那麼好那我們也希望說能夠透過交通改善讓整個台東不只是台東讓南部甚至整個台灣的交通更綿密更變異對我們整個國家發展是有幫助的 |
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那這邊也針對以上的需求請院長也允諾責成我們教務部來推動兩週內提供一份報告跟委員報告不論是從國人的交通的需求或是產業的運輸乃至於觀光的發展 |
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交通建設當然是手中最重要的一環必須先做事實上除了公路之外我們鐵道也有相當周延的計畫像交通部就提出全台全國繞台這個整個4個90分鐘的計畫其中就沒有把台東這一段給它放掉我們也有一個鐵道的計畫這樣子也可以再考慮到地形 地質 地貌的 |
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還有工程的難易度如果從鐵道來著手也是一個可以選擇的方式我覺得請交通部無論是鐵道或公路能夠來做一個說明謝謝院長謝謝謝謝部長那另外我要談的就是台東的另外一個產業就是觀光 |
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其實交通跟觀光密不可分我們其實本席也多次向中央表達說希望能促進港澳地區包機直航台東帶動東部的觀光人潮因為我們根據交通部的統計114年度入境旅客人數排名前三名的國家裡面港澳的旅客就是佔的第三名相較於日韓的遊客港澳旅客其實常常被忽略 |
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其實港澳遊客他其實不單單具有相當的消費能力而且跟我們台灣的地理位置也非常的接近嘛那我在謝謝主委因為我在內政委員會的時候謝謝跟主委聊過這件事情我們是不是可以來促進我們台東跟港澳地區的包機的直航那時候主委也非常正面的肯定這件事情我相信這個是對我們整個發展是有幫助嘛那這邊我想要問一下部長你感冒及期 |
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像花蓮其實也有港澳的包機那地方政府他願意來申請我們就會盡量來協助那花蓮有這樣的案例或許台東也可以請地方政府來跟我們這邊來申請讓我們來協助包機的部分讓台東縣政府陸委會跟交通部我們一起來完成這件事情可以嗎我們會站在協助的角度這個沒有問題感謝部長也感謝主委謝謝院長 |
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那謝謝兩位,接下來我的時間也快沒了,我來再請教一下教育部請教育部長備詢 |
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委員好部長好 部長首先我要跟你感謝本席上任以來其實也跟部裡面做了一些陳情像是我們校舍老舊的問題 設施老舊的問題像台中體中游泳池的問題或台東女中操場的問題 |
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不然也要幫我們倒三天都亂寫那上次也提到過包括台東的一些校舍的整建那我們現在看到18號教育部核定了台東高中台東女中的這個校舍漏水的改善經費1050萬5千元我想謝謝部裡面對台東的幫助但是這一點還是不夠因為 |
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所以院長部長相信我們都很常講過這句話就是窮不能窮教育啦然後苦不能苦孩子那對於台東的這些孩子來說這句話特別有感我自己是偏鄉長大的小孩 |
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那我們台東縣有118所的國中校這裡面有99所是原住民的重點學校那偏遠地區的國中校就有90間那比例高達76%那此外我們台東因為他們我講到的我們地理的環境紅胎等於都會掉所以因為在風災還有地震的情況下我們校的其實都相對是老舊需要急需的來整建那請問部長這邊是不是願意來協助 |
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我想跟我們報告我想像上一次那個台中領中台中體系事實上我們當看到這個颱風有一些這一個對學校造成傷害消息一出來這個消防系統一通報我馬上就我馬上就交代這一個國教署署長說要優先來來這個協助來改善我想對於我們偏鄉或者這些比較 |
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這個非商會式的一個台東地區這個當然都是我們總統跟院長也都是優先在關照我們這些偏鄉或者這些非商會式的比較這個教育資源相對需要有更多的一些優先來支持我想這當然教育部是責無旁貸另外我們也對偏鄉的這些教師他們的許多的一些因為長期在 |
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任教的過程他暴露在一個相對比較危險的一個環境下因為台灣的一個颱風跟地震多所以在山區服務我們也都可以額外的一個這些保險的一個這樣的一個提供我想對偏鄉老師的一個任教跟學生的品質都是我們優先這個關照的 |
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謝謝部長 部長剛好提到老師的問題就是接下來本席也要跟反映就是台東縣偏域學校比例比較高所以老師的異動非常頻繁那為了要留住老師台東縣政府今年再跟教育部還有體育部申請這個改善教師待遇服務的計畫總共是八億七千五百二十八萬 |
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那這個就是希望我們讓老師能夠更願意留在台東願意留在這個地方讓他的教學品質可以穩定那這部分是不是請院長你能夠支持我們台東縣提報的計畫給台東偏鄉學校的學生有更穩定的教學的環境院長 |
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對偏遠地區的教學教育部一直有對各種不同的學校也好或是師製也好都有相對的一些優惠的措施那我覺得這個都是應該因為我們就是講求教育平權讓每個孩子都能夠平等的受教權也讓所有的孩子能夠在一個好的教育環境底下比方說我去年去到綠島吧 |
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風災壞了之後一年他並無法去整修完畢等到第二個颱風來又壞了一次那學生就長期在這個環境底下所以我們以後對整個偏遠地區的這些工程上也應該在核實的強烈因為要請到這麼多的工人去是可能有困難原料材料要去可能有困難再加上學校裡面的行政人員是明顯不夠的這個部分我們都會再檢討 |
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也謝謝院長這樣的言論願意幫台東教育不管是硬體軟體還有私資的方面的協助那也謝謝部長這段時間來對台東的照顧我們也希望部長繼續來協助我們東部的教育環境感謝部長那最後我想要請教經濟部長跟園民會的主委麻煩請經濟部長園民會備選 |
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我想最後這段時間我要代表台東縣的鄉親跟中央來請命其實部長之前在國發會的時候跟我們台東縣的互動非常的多我記得我是那時候擔任台東的鄉長我們地方創生第三個通過也是那時候部長你在擔任主委的時候核定那這幾年其實台東縣的勞勤集團跟勤務團隊很努力我們努力的做事情也努力的把錢還掉 |
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那因為良好的因為這樣的情況結果在今年整個財力調整的時候我們被列為跟台北市新竹是同一新竹縣列為同一級齁這個造成未來之後的一些計畫他都會延宕而且院長我感覺這樣是有問題的就是他前陣子的行銷結果因為這樣一片一極所謂補足從此就可能因為斷缺齁 |
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委員講到重點這就是現在財化法非常不公平的現象沒關係 院長本席把話講完就是說其實本席也跟行政院主席處來討論我們當然知道這個計算方式已經完成但是也要求說我們也把台東的情況也告訴主席處主席處也很協助我們他把發文給其他的部會他說請各部會自行來判斷是否來放寬這個標準 |
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主席讓我們的大副是比較正面的那我們確實也是覺得那我們就一個一個來講我記得我在委員會的時候還有跟我們委員會主委聊過這件事情主委你是因為你說接下來不會影響到對不對原鄉的部分都不會影響到對不對 |
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OK 那我現在講的這個我們會擔心的原因就是因為我們現在面臨到一個就是臺東的自來水無自來水地區的供水改善計畫的經費就是因為財力等級大家乘一級它是不補助的這可能造成偏鄉地區還有原住民不多的飲水的問題它沒水塘而已喔主委 我想問一下有沒有主委主委 那個原子基法第15條是什麼 |
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就是要得設立這個建設基金但是跟委員報告就是說我們所有的在延鄉的這些公共建設不是只有延敏會在補助真的是更要感謝更多的這個像經濟部水利署有些河川的整治等等主委我講的是精神我提醒院長部長還有主委全台東縣16個鄉鎮有15個鄉鎮是原鄉地區是 |
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我想這個調整已經發生我們現在想是怎麼樣來修復所以我這邊也要請院長還有部長這邊是不是能夠來協助因為飲水是基本的人權問題你不能因為財政情況然後讓他沒有辦法補助蘭嶼的鄉親非常的開心因為當第一起出來去的時候他們說我感謝這個政府因為我們終於不用再接山水了 |
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第一期已經做了,你後面還凍掉我覺得這個會對民眾的生活影響到依照現行財化法,它就是這樣的分級兩個方式,一個是特案來處理 |
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好 謝謝黃建民委員質詢 謝謝左院長各相關部會所長備詢 謝謝好 接下來本日最後一位質詢的委員我們請張雅玲委員請質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們有請院長再請卓院長備選 |
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張委員好委員長好我今天要先討論一個非常民生的問題就是前陣子我看到一個新聞就是說呢他講到說我們台灣的經濟非常的發達我們一流的晶片可是我們的公測卻是三流那我也看到說我們今天的新聞是台股的市值已經到全球第七但是呢我們的經濟非常的富裕可是我們的許多的公共空間其實還有蠻多可以討論的空間因為我把這些相關的新聞發到我的臉書上面意外引起非常熱烈的討論所以我 |
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我想要跟院長來討論其實今天我們的這個廁所其實跟學生的健康 校園安全甚至防災都有關係我想大家可能會覺得跟防災有什麼關係待會我們繼續講下去首先就是說我們現在可以看到亞洲在公共廁所他們的一個規劃是什麼樣子 |
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我們可以看到說不管是日本、韓國、新加坡或是我們以前所說的亞洲四小龍大家其實都在往做事的方向前進可是我們對於這些相關的資料好像都沒有那麼明確的了解因為我們的方向到底是什麼我們現在的狀況到底是什麼樣的狀況不過我也要先感謝院長支持我們在114年到 |
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六年都有編列41.89億元來持續推動我們學校的老舊廁所的一個整建那這是我在想說那我們現在在改善這個老舊設備的時候是不是可以一併的來去思考我們的一個方向到底是什麼為什麼大家會想要往這些方向去前進最主要就是說高齡化是一個非常明確的問題 |
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因為很多的長者或行動不便者可以用坐視都會更加的友善對於孕婦來說也是非常的安全甚至日本也做了一些研究對於國際的旅客也是一個更友善的一個方向但是我們可以看到我們現在相關的這些設備還停留在99年 |
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所以這就是為什麼我希望說我們可不可以再來精進再來跟上我們的這個經濟發展那接下來呢我想要再特別講到關於學校的部分因為我去今年二月底的時候我去日本參訪那我們也拜訪了許多的民間團體日本的民間團體那他們提到一個我蠻驚訝就是說內閣官房設定2030年 |
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避難所的廁所要全部達到百分之百都是做事的廁所為什麼因為他們在2016年的時候熊本大地震結束之後他們去避難所詢問了這些災民問他們說什麼事情對他們來說最苦惱簡單來說就是廁所因為在避難的狀態之下 |
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他們其實是很需要可以保持清潔那坐室廁所就可以保持一個非常好的一個清潔的狀態而且呢很多的長者很多的孕婦都會進入學校所以如果今天學校是蹲室的話對他們來說就是無法使用那也因為官方的一個方向是這樣所以在文部省呢他們就有去設定每一年要逐步的去改善他們的這個廁所那目前呢在2023年最新的資料已經是達到69.3% |
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所以我在想說因為台灣也是一個天災很多的國家日本把學校作為一個避難的空間那我們也是那廁所是不是也可以提升我們所謂的防災韌性呢所以我想請教一下我們是不是就是說教育部這邊是不是可以先來做一些相關的使用者調查因為 |
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日本他們做了很不管是對學生對老師教職員他們做了很多的調查發現大家最想要改變的設施竟然是廁所所以不曉得說教育部我們是不是可以先啟動相關的研究跟調查了解他們的心聲到底是什麼 |
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謝謝委員的關心我想這個教育部當然很樂意來做這樣一個調查因為確實我們把學校怎麼成為一個社區的一個這一個防災的一個增加他有社區防災的一個韌性我想在社區裡面的中小學他確實是一個非常適合的一個場域那怎麼樣去提供社區的一些民眾有一個更好的一個在災難的時候災難的一個 |
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這個學校的一個廁所使用我想這我們樂意這一個會合我們馬上立即來做那我想可能也要請教一下環境部包委我們台灣大概一半一半一半是蹲室一半是做事我們進入高齡化社會這個蹲室其實不是利於老人家 |
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的上廁所而且這個蹲式的廁所呢比這個坐式的廁所更髒等於是說這個是不對的事情所以我們會逐步的來推動那我們現在也有訂了一些指引那目前的教育部也委託台灣設計研究院來規劃我們下一代的一個廁所希望學校在蓋或是一般公車要蓋的時候要長什麼樣子我們期待能夠大家慢慢的來去做改進那我想齁這個可能也要回應到就是學生跟老師們的意見就是說因為這個指引上面有沒有去設定坐式跟蹲式的比例呢是 |
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目前來說的話當然新建新的最好都是做事為主因為我們敦市佔了一半比例實在太高我們希望能夠慢慢的往下降好那這個設定的目標我希望就是說我們可能也可以再來持續的討論怎麼樣是一個比較合理能夠真正達到一個防災的韌性那我想這部分可能內政部國土署也需要提供一些相關的建議應該也要一起來合作對不對 |
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非常謝謝委員能夠關心各地的公廁能夠關心這個表示委員這個觀察很細微我到很多新建的工程區包括第三航廈淘機的第三航廈我要求看的就是廁所不是看它多漂亮而是看它裡面的配備 |
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比方說他是不是有做事的那要不要現在比較潮流合乎的是要不要加裝免治以及他所有的坐墊的鋪設等等以及按水的那個按鈕是不是可以不用人手去接觸如果我們都往這個細緻去走整個環境就會比現在改善很多另外就是男廁女廁的比例一定要更合理增加女廁不要讓女生上廁所非常不方便所以我想這部分的話我們是不是可以在 |
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可不可以先在三個月內提出一個初步的規劃我們要前進的方向環境部跟教育部這邊OK嗎?是,沒有問題那我也特別說一下因為之前我到立法院來的時候發現立法院的廁所不怎麼好而且立法院的衛生紙都只能丟垃圾桶造成立法院的這個廁所是很髒又聞到別人的味道又看到別人的東西所以其實也謝謝韓院長支持我們所以目前立法院的這個廁所直接衛生紙丟馬桶 |
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但是有些地方還是主色的特別厲害,要需要大家的如廁文化要養成,這個很重要這部分也要非常感謝韓院長提升我們大家的公共空間那在下一個問題,兩位部長可以先請回,要先請文化部 |
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部長身體還好吧?慢慢來慢慢來,不要緊不要緊慢慢來,保重保重,慢慢來慢慢來那部長我接下來就要來討論我們的轉型正義的題目因為我想我們這幾年來大家其實都做轉型作業的非常辛苦但是因為今年有一部電影叫做《世紀血案》再加上賈永傑開了一個油罐車整個帶動了很多人第一次去參觀國家人權館中正紀念堂但是我想轉型正義最大的問題就是如何出圈,如何跨出同溫層 |
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不然如果只有關注轉型正義的人在談轉型正義那就沒有辦法真正的走進社會所以我今天想要談的就是說如何讓轉型正義走出同溫層成為社會真正的對話那非常感謝院長在去年的12月跟6月的推動轉型正義匯報都已經裁示了未來中正紀念堂要往歷史記憶保存與民主教育推廣的方向來轉型並且原則上同意將其轉型為民主教育園區那這個是我從加入立法院以來一直持續的在 |
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质询也关心的方向所以我非常肯定行政院那目前文化部也展开了许多社会沟通的尝试例如长色展的自由花蕾我也去看过了那许多国际的旅客的评价也非常好那我们的人权电影院呢也试着放映我们的台语跟国际人权电影 |
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讓更多人可以來接觸台灣的民主歷程但是我們現在有規劃要至少每一年辦80場的轉型正義活動我想問一下我們的成果應該不是只是看活動數量也不是只有看活動人數應該要有一些指標或是KPI來確保我們有出圈不然大家都知道長期過去參與的都是熟面孔如果只是熟面孔那真的是沒有辦法跟社會對話所以我想請教一下 |
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我們有沒有任何的量化指標謝謝委員我們從去年到今年那個自由的花蕊對外的來參觀的人數4個月已經達到11萬人我們針對每一個人都想叫他填表格他幾歲 |
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為什麼知道這個展覽然後有什麼感想反應非常熱烈讓我們展開一系列的人權的演講這個禮拜天第一場來了100多人年齡差不多從16歲到65歲 |
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我們也請他填所以聽起來是有一些問卷統計而且非常仔細那這些問卷統計的資料是不是也可以提供給我們辦公室我們來去確保可能有些人是第一次來參與的那這對我們來說就非常珍貴好嗎那這個機制的部分的話我們是大概一個禮拜這些相關的機制或者是問卷的調查結果是一個禮拜還是兩個禮拜可以提供給我們兩個禮拜好了好 謝謝 |
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但是我還有注意到一個很值得討論的現象如果中正競團未來要轉型成民主教育園區那我們現在所提供的課程內容那就應該是反映這個地方所傳達的價值但是我想院長你可以看見我去看了目前園區最新可報名的課程總共有181門課程可是只有一場 |
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跟轉型正義有關其餘的內容跟轉型正義完全搭不上邊等於就是說只有一趴與轉型正義有關對於這樣子的開課比例您認為有符合我們的目標嗎我想委員所講的就是殘年以來中中紀念堂所排的演講包括健康生活等等但是今年配合那個自由的花蕊我剛剛講說我們已經推動一整年的那個人權課程 |
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而且這些課程包括比較輕鬆的講到對 但是我們現在是看它那個上面可以報名的那這個是在不同的地方報名嗎這個資料上可能就是去年到今年原來的一些課程那我們今年配合自由華瑞已經開始增加這些講座 |
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好那部長我其實就一個簡單的要求啦我認為在我們相關的課程裡面呢應該要某個比例上面我希望院長也可以來支持我們應該要達到至少某個比例是跟轉型正義有關係的好嗎這個部分是可以的嗎好那這部分研議大概是多少比例是不是也可以再提供給我們是可以那我們研議要多久時間 |
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一個月我們請這個部長 部裡面先分析一下現在所有的內容那如果調整也要有相當的包括能夠去談這個座談 課程等等的這些人籌集起來以後再把這些資料跟委員來做說明沒問題 其實委員我們在這兩三年的努力那個中正紀念壇已經產生某種質變就是走進自由花蕾的那些群眾 |
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外國的還有本國的人那個都偏年輕那個質變就是中正經驗上的定義開始有點變了大家都知道這裡是人權教育的一個場所好沒關係因為部長因為我還有下一題所以我時間有限那之後再把資料提供給我好了謝謝那我們時間先暫停一下我要請教育部部長 |
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我們民主教育園區這個方向是正確的讓我們速度就循序漸進當現在的社會已經漸漸接受了我們就利用各種潛移默化的方式融入到整個活動裡面去讓它成為一個不再過去那種威權形象的一個民主教育館這個是我想部長是要表達這樣的意思 |
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26997.447 |
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了解那我接下來就是再回到教育部因為我知道部長在轉型正義上面非常努力其實團體都非常肯定也都有跟我回報這件事情那根據行政院最新修正的國家轉型正義教育行動綱領的第20頁明確提到會鼓勵各級學校結合抱歉我簡報好像沒有動喔好 謝謝 |
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26999.831 |
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27028.43 |
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那我們的國家轉型正義教育系統綱領呢其實就有提到鼓勵各級學校結合和平紀念日啊白色恐怖記憶力等等的來制定轉型正義教育週那國教署其實也有相關的補助就是如果結合多次的戶外教育活動將提高補助金額以作為鼓勵那也有把相關的資訊放在戶外教育資源平台那等於是說我們現在是有補助又有給一些資源但是呢我們可以看到下一頁我們的文史相關的場域抱歉是上一頁喔 |
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27056.134 |
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再上一頁 抱歉我們可以看到我們所有的文史相關的場域點數只有其他的五分之一等於總數上面我們就是少的了我們可以看到它只有29個點其他有100個點以上那老師如果真的有心要去查其他也查不太到因為我們如果用下頁轉型正義或不依止去做搜尋的時候結果都是零那如果用人權去搜尋也只有4個 |
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27057.094 |
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27085.08 |
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所以等於是說這個會讓有心好不容易鼓起勇氣去做這件事情的老師等於路徑非常的曲折所以這部分是不是可以做出調整跟我們報告事實上我們今年來我們在轉型生有一些更積極的一些做法包含我們教育部在3月4號是一個不會救到這個警媒的人我知道這個我知道 |
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27104.135 |
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第二個就是說這基本上就是一個態度我們對這一個一定會堅決的來執行那在大學這一個部分剛才委員所關心的這一個譬如說我們怎麼樣去轉型這許多的這些我們一直相信有些歷史不只是只有存在課本裡面 |
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27105.492 |
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27115.266 |
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也存在在這一塊土地的一個記憶失守所以我目前今年裡面有大學有我們CodeUSR有七所大學裡面我們開始結合地方的 |
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27144.206 |
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就是說為什麼講這個是all in這個記憶行動轉型正義校外教學補助計畫呢就是說我們做這麼多事情可是學校老師其實不敢自己做這件事情他要承擔很多的責難所以是不是我們可以有一個轉型正義的校外教學的補助計畫用政策引導來讓這些老師參加這個校外教學計畫是的我們一直都是這樣在做而且今年一定會 |
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27149.977 |
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27151.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
好 謝謝張愛玲委員的質詢 謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝 |
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27179.763 |
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抱怨會 我們本日排定的質詢委員已經質詢完畢我非常感謝卓院長 曾副院長各位相關部會所長列席的答詢現在做以下決定下次會繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢今天非常謝謝羅廷偉委員陪同我們整個下午坐在這裡一起開施政總質詢的會非常感謝 現在散會 |