| IVOD_ID |
17288 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17288 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-20T08:32:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-20T16:32:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:59:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609e840a81fdfc9d8eda61d7704d4bcb7d044e0a145e6cc6f0f1967fd9007b48ece5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月24日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:32:57 - 16:32:00 |
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如何讓年輕人在捷運旁買到一平25萬的房子 |
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最近在新的會期我經常會約我們的立委同事來在立法院在開會之前先做國政的散步那禮拜一我找我們的洪孟凱委員來一起聊了邊形 |
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那今天我是跟廖偉祥委員一邊見走那一邊來談廖偉祥委員最近提出的可負擔宅的這樣的一個非常有前瞻性的想法廖偉祥委員是年輕世代的代表他跟我分享一個很真實的現象現在年輕人不敢結婚不敢生小孩那我們台灣的生育率不斷地下降 |
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那甚至出生人數十年已經到腰斬的一個狀態情況非常的危急他說有一個很大的因素就是買不起房子台灣的房價所得比高到讓人絕望居住爭議喊了十年越喊越遙遠民進黨承諾的百萬社宅本來說要幹十三萬戶縮水到不到四萬戶年輕人的夢想一起縮水 |
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1741.348 |
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所以第一件事 設宅當然不能放棄而且要加速推動 |
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但是光靠社宅不夠還要有其他有力的做法比方說台北市蔣岸市長推的幸福住宅那也是一個嘗試的努力而今天廖偉祥委員我們在國政散佈的過程當中他提出一個很重要的構想可負擔宅也就是透過交通導向開發也就是TOD在捷運的周邊建立一個封閉市場 |
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這封閉市場政府必須要介入然後限制轉售限制價格限制炒作讓這個可負擔宅處在一個非常合理的一個房價價位之上讓年輕人買得起 |
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這樣的話年輕人買得起房住得起住得久住得安心等到讓他們有能力買房子那自然而然對人生的未來他有更有餘裕來生下一代然後來去提升我們國家未來競爭力讓年輕世代不用再徘徊在等不到社宅以及買不到房子之間不斷的徘徊 |
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1814.52 |
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1837.019 |
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除了居住問題國民黨也一系列推動支持年輕家庭的政策包括台灣未來帳戶0到6歲健保費國家負擔擴大育嬰假等等我們的目的只有一個今天要搶救台灣的未來阻止出生率持續的下跌為我們年輕人創造一個有未來的台灣天空謝謝 |
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好 謝謝羅志強委員發言我們接下來請李貞秀委員發言 洪孟愷委員請準備 |
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1858.379 |
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1873.185 |
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主席各位同仁各位媒體全體國人朋友大家好多元包容是台灣的重要民主價值國人依法享有的權利不能因族群不同而被差別對待 |
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1874.145 |
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1890.416 |
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去年 賴政府違法濫權 苛扣全台五位陸配村里長的年終獎金內政部帶頭打壓特定族群 違法沒收弱勢權益 可謂民主法治之恥 |
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1892.109 |
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1917.055 |
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陸配來到台灣落地生根養兒育女工作繳稅陸配沒有對不起台灣這些村里長更沒有對不起台灣這群人真心熱愛台灣戰戰兢兢付出受在地選民的托付單選他們與全台7000多位村里長一樣認真負責的 |
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1920.456 |
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1947.745 |
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服務鄉親內政部高官帶頭霸凌差別對待視陸配為赤等公民陸配是台灣的嫁娥陸配更是台灣孩子的媽媽是中華民國的一份子應該受到平等的基本尊重與對待蔡政府時代陸配擔任公職民意代表從來不是問題 |
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1949.808 |
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1978.495 |
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換成賴政府開始各種羞辱、霸凌專找陸配麻煩連七萬五的村里長年終事務費都要苛刻賴政府到底還要欺壓陸配到什麼時候同樣中醫的內政委員會中我為國人都關心的居住正義質詢內政部然而輪值召委李博義 |
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1979.695 |
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1997.612 |
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違背主席中立身份助纣為虐掩護行政機關自我閹割立法委員職權內政部高官帶頭毀憲亂政藐視國會踐踏民主法治赤裸裸的將弱勢族群 |
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1998.392 |
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2022.16 |
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當成政治鬥爭工具民主社會每位國人都有被平等對待的權利國民應有的權益不能被違法苛扣陸培春里長與李真秀目前都具合法的公職身份今天如果本席只是一般民眾能站上這個發言台嗎 |
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2023.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2046.983 |
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在此本席嚴正呼籲民進黨停止歧視與霸凌不能再追殺陸配勿請儘速補齊苛扣的村里長事務費謝謝大家好 謝謝李貞秀委員的發言 謝謝我們接下來請洪孟凱委員發言蔡春筹委員請準備 |
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2061.072 |
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2080.68 |
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主席各位同仁今天要探討一個嚴肅的議題昨天傳出號稱最貪執行長的前中遊執行長徐翰在下週一宣判之前居然剪斷電子腳鐐逃跑創下台灣史上首例破壞監控器氣泡潛逃的例子 |
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2081.32 |
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2106.549 |
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尤其過去許翰曾經申請要解除邊境管制遭拒因此檢方高度懷疑是不是有預謀性的接應計畫在判決前夕監控出現破口傳出高層震怒但我們要問人都跑了震怒有用嗎誰要負責這個破口怎麼產生有沒有人包庇相關單位要對社會大眾有所交代我想 |
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2107.768 |
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2129.694 |
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相關單位一定要清楚明白告訴社會大眾以及具體的讓國人清楚明白了解中華民國絕對不允許任何犯罪者用這樣子的方式來棄保潛逃行政院長卓榮泰以及我們今天所有文武百官都在現場我們要問卓院長要不要追究相關的失職責任 |
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過去這段時間行政立法我們都期待是互相尊重互相能夠彼此做好各自的業務但是到目前為止不依法編列預算不附屬立院的修法 |
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對於所有立法院只要提出來行政院不接受的事情行政院都說不這樣不就變成是不行政院長了嗎如果只會說不的行政院能不能對司法破口說不能不能對氣袍潛逃的重刑犯說不這才是國人所要看到的另外一方面我們要說不的對象也是詐騙 |
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我每天幾乎都會看我們打債儀表板的數據我們發覺在去年的12月以及今年的1月過年前夕詐騙案件數以及詐騙金額又創新高持續攀升的狀況而即便2月因為農曆過年而相對比較減少但現在3月每天都有一億五千萬左右的詐騙數詐騙金額這是鐵針針的事實這也是明白的數據顯示那我們要問 |
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打詐工作第一線基層同仁非常辛苦但除了如此有沒有更重要更明確的辦法更積極有效的態度能夠來嚇阻詐騙國人想問行政院三個問題第一 |
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當詐騙金額持續在高點的時候我們什麼時候政府能夠告訴國人你不會再被騙第二財產的追償機制什麼時候能夠到位能不能做到詐騙集團騙多少我們要詐騙集團吐多少回來以及第三部會整合是否真的有效向詐騙說不向氣跑潛逃重刑犯說不這才是行政院應該做的事 |
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好 謝謝侯木凱委員的發言接下來我們請蔡春城委員請發言 林倩琦委員請準備院長 |
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各位同仁大家好運動不只是競賽而已運動就是國力也是可以借用運動來團結台灣運動員在國際比賽的時候不管 |
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不只是創造佳績還是在混戰拼力的一個過程展現運動精神運動員在國際比賽無論是創造佳績都是有助於國際社會對於台灣的一個認識跟感動運動部成立的目標之一就是以運動推展國際事務 |
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建過區域合作打造運動外交的一個網絡因此必須要整合外交部文化部僑委會交通部及觀光署等相關部會以運動部聯繫跟協作資源整合這是刻不容緩的這由運動來提升 |
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台灣國際能見度,包括參加國際賽事,發揮運動員和體育人士在國際上的一個影響力,出席國際論壇,積極爭取主辦國際大型的運動比賽,來展現我們的文化底蘊和社會發展, |
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而接下來將登場的是2026民古屋的亞運、2028的洛杉磯奧運以及其他的國際賽事不只是運動部還有我們的民眾作為我們運動選手的一個最強的後盾其他部會也必須能夠協助與參加 |
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加強國際的一個宣傳除了運動外交我們還有一項極有註意務實外交就是深受外國遊客喜愛的台灣獨特的民間信仰兩週前北港朝天宮參加在美國舊金山舉辦的農曆新年遊行為例就是宗教文化外交的一個交流活動 |
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活動的過程也登上美國ABC新聞象徵了台灣民間信仰與國際都市文化的一個跨洋對話既然已經被視為台灣文化的一個外交應該要凝聚橋界的力量所以我們期望政府能夠大大方方堂堂真正的拚外交用運動讓台灣上上國際舞台 |
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好 謝謝蔡春籌委員的發言接下來我們今日的國事論壇最後一位發言 林倩琦委員請發言 |
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主席 府會同仁 媒體朋友 全國民眾 大家好能源風險升高 臺灣需要重整國家安全戰略近期國際油價攀升 可能每桶會到110元到120元美元受到西亞局勢的生物影響 能源市場出現劇烈的波動油價的問題將會成為牽動通膨金融跟經濟體系的一個穩定性的系統性風險 |
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台灣的能源高度依賴進口價格波動將陸續反映在電價、運輸成本、民生物價進而影響我們的產業競爭力跟經濟發展根據能源署的一個數據我們進口的原油沙烏地阿拉伯就佔了高達四成液化天然氣光是卡達就佔了三成這樣的結構在地緣政治動盪的時候意味著高度風險的集中 |
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近期卡达的拉斯达万工业城遭受攻击是非常明确的警讯这个全球最大的液化天然气生产地供应全球两成的天然气甚至一旦受损直接撼动的是全球能源的供应链供应全球两 |
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這個這樣子兩層天然氣的一個目標已經成為現在攻擊的一個重大目標現在戰略攻擊的目標已經從傳統油庫港口延伸到能源設施的本身本席認為這為台灣至少帶來三項關鍵的警訊第一個能源供應鏈已經高度暴露在地緣政治的風險當中其中的來源集中在少數國家任何的衝突都會直接影響到我國能源的安全第二 |
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天然氣的接收站除潮跟電力系統都應該納入關鍵基礎設施的防護體系並建立多元的能源組合第三現代的政策過度依賴市場穩定的一個假設但國際情勢已經證明能源市場不是永遠的穩定我們必須先建立風險應對的能力 |
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我國在持續深化AI跟半導體產業的佈局當中先進製程資料中心跟高效運算的設施對電力穩定性跟能源品質的要求日益提高一旦遭遇供電不穩或能源中斷不僅會影響產線運作也會動搖全球供應鏈關鍵節點的地位影響到我們的國際貿易跟國家經濟因此本席主張 |
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首先我們應該來強化戰略儲備能力不是只有石油也包括天然氣儲存跟調度能力提升短期抗風險的韌性第二我們要推動能源來源種類多元化降低對單一或少數國家的依賴 |
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第三,加速核能再生能源跟儲能系統的發展,提升電力系統自主性,降低對進口石化燃料的長期依賴。整體而言,油價飆升跟西亞的衝突不是短期事件,而是全球能源風險升高的訊號。台灣身處國際供應鏈的中心,能源穩定不是只有經濟問題,更是國家安全的基礎。 |
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我們現在登記國事論壇發言的委員已經發言完畢請各黨團幹部上午10點至議場後方主席休息室我們進行本次會議議程的溝通謝謝王美惠委員謝謝羅美玲委員陪同我們一起參與國事論壇現在休息 |
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好 現在我們開始開會 請民主黨報告出席人數報告議員會 出席委員65人 已足法定人數好 我們先來開會報告議員會 我們本次會議的議程有待溝通現在請各黨團幹部 致議場後方主席辦公室我們來進行溝通 現在休息 |
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報告委員會我們繼續開會因為程旭文會本次會議的議事日程草案送院會處理現在由黨團依照本院議事成立對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議我們現在要進行處理並截止收案現在由黨團共事如下依議程草案確認 循例依提案先後進行處理 |
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二 新增一般提案两案提案均不作说明大体讨论各案分由各党团推派一位委员进行发言每位委员发言时间三分钟进行处理 |
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三 今日上午院會進行自討論事項處理完畢我們即休息下午繼續進行施政諮詢議程四 下週二院會我們繼續進行施政諮詢當次院會我們不再處理臨時提案報告議會我們本次院會就依黨團共事進行我們先進行報告事項部分請議事人宣讀黨團之題內容 |
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本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第五會期第四次會議議事室報告事項擬請增列三十四案如覆表其餘照議事日程草案所列報告事項質詢事項及對前監獄院長施展報告繼續質詢是否有當進行公決 |
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6818.476 |
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本院台湾民众党囊团针对第11届第5会期第4次会议议程报告事项质询事项其对行政院院长提出施政方针及施政报告继续质询提议仅限列议程常任所列议案及项表所列事项案是否有当进行公决 |
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本院國務黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第四次會議議權報告事項質詢事項及對席間院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢提議僅限列議權草案所列議案及限表所列45案是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢歡迎歡迎我們現在開始進行按鈴七分鐘並請議長人員分發表決卡現在開始按鈴 |
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好我們按鈴七分鐘時間已到請問各位委員是否都有拿到表決卡都有拿到表決卡我們要開始進行表決現在針對民進黨團體進行表決現在民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成民進黨團體請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報議會報告表決結果在場出席為107位 |
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7379.351 |
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贊成48位反對59位贊成則少數民進黨團體不通過我們現在開始進行處理台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因為國民黨團之提議與該黨團體相同我們進行一併處理選議會對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體通過有無異議有異議我們要進行表決 |
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7400.413 |
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現在針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體進行表決有民進黨黨團要求記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果在場出席委員107位贊成59位反對48位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體照案通過本次會議是日程報告事項質疑事項及對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體通過抱怨會我們現在先處理討論事項部分以先後處理各黨團體 |
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本院我們現在處理台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因為國民黨團之提議與該黨團提議相同我們一併進行處理請議事委員一併宣讀提議內容本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對歷時屆第五會期第四次會議一日程討論事項進行僅限列案如下表而案並於對行政院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續執行前處理是否有道進行公決本院國民黨黨團 |
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現在針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體我們要進行表決民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告委員會報告表決結果出席108位贊成59位反對49位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體照案通過報告委員會劉建國委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄本次會議日程討論事項照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體通過本次議事日程確定我們現在進行報告事項 |
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7686.249 |
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請秘書長宣讀第五會期第三次會議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第五會期第三次會議事錄時間中華民國一百十五年三月十三日十七日地點本院議場出席委員換委員員等一百十三人內席官員行政院院長卓榮泰等 |
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主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀北院第十一屆第五會期第二次會議事錄決定確定第二至一百七十案其中第二十一六七至一七零案均決定經後如與相關提案並且協商或討論第一百五十四案為聯事處所提出報告案 |
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其餘議案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會之一事項本院委員執行部分兩件討論事項第一議案均決議通過同意全職請死事項決議一由一龍同意為 |
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中央選舉委員會委員並為主任委員二 胡柏諺不同意為中央選舉委員會委員並為副主任委員三 李李仲 蘇嘉鴻 施子喬均同意為中央選舉委員會委員四 黃文玲 陳忠義均不同意為中央選舉委員會委員對行政院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續執行 |
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決定下次會議繼續進行施政發展及施政報告之質詢其他事項一115年3月11日朝野黨團協商結論一件二本次會議一四日成照台灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團提議及協商結論通過宣讀完畢 |
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抱怨會針對第五會期第三次會議失誤並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們先來做一下決定第五會期第三次會議失誤確定現在處理針對部分請宣讀議案1.委員和柔軒等理據《學習慣法》第六條條文修正財務理教教育委員王煥勇會審查宣讀完畢協議會有異議通過下議案 |
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二 委員梗如君的領據 虛擬資產服務法草案 禮教交通委員會審查三 委員柯先生的領據 高級中等教育法第20條條文 修正草案 禮教教育及文化委員會審查四 委員柯先生的領據 少年事件處理法第二條之一第八十一條其第八十二條條文 修正草案 禮教司法及法制委員會審查 |
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7826.497 |
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五 委員柯先生的領據 中華民國刑法第七十四條條文修正草案 領交司法及法律委員會審查 宣布完畢六 委員楊崇英的領據 產業創新條例第十條 第二十三條之一及第二十三條之二條文修正草案 領交經濟財政委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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7843.776 |
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7867.345 |
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7.委員楊瓊英的理據 上年事件處理法第二條之一及第八十一條條文修正草案 理交司法及法律委員會審查 宣言委員楊瓊英的理據 專業保險法第十九條 第二條文修正草案 理交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 9.委員徐玉珊的理據 衛生福利部處理法第二條第五條及第八條條文修正草案 理交司法及法律社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言委員 |
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法院會政略報告事項第九案 國民黨團體進步二路 相關提案並案協商 請問院會有無異議法院會第十案 國民黨團體進步二路 相關提案並案協商 請問院會有無異議法院會第十案 國民黨團體進步二路 相關提案並案協商 請問院會有無異議 |
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7904.64 |
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11.委員徐宇珍的鄰居為社會離譜而涉及家庭知識署組織罰藏案連交司法及法制社會福利及物相環境兩委員會審查宣傳畢 |
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第二 委員徐宇珍 帶領序衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署 組織發財案 禮教司法及法制社會福利 外向環境人員會審查 宣傳報告議會第十二案 國民黨團體金富爾魯相關提案並案協商 請院會有異議免議本案金富爾魯相關提案並案協商 下一項 |
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十三 委員林倩琦的擬句 陸海工區循環事關服役條例第39條條文修正常案 擬將為交給國安委員會審查 訊息迴避十四 委員林倩琦的擬句 水土保持法第33條條文修正常案 擬將為經濟委員會審查 訊息迴避 |
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委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
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委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
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二十一 委員羅廷偉 等你去 學校務生法第十六條及第十七條條文 修正草案 禮教務生務及文化與文化會審查 修正草案二十一 委員羅廷偉 等你去 性別扁擔工作法第十九條條文 修正草案 禮教社會福利及互相環境 委員會審查 修正草案二十二 委員羅廷偉 等你去 教育服務法第二十四條條文 修正草案 |
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你将社会福利及卫生环境委员会审查不议同谋选业不议同谋选业不议同谋选业 |
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26.委員 林玥晴 等你去國民營經貿部份條文修正草案,你將受惠服的優先環境維護審查。27. |
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委員 林玥晴 等你去中央保險法第12條及第19條13條文修正草案,你將受惠服的優先環境維護審查。 |
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28.委员郭玉琴等你据国区军退职官兵辅导条例第32条条无修宪草案你将未交及国防员会审查续谈定29. |
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委员郭玉琴等你据陆海沟军军官审官服役条例第24条第25条及第41条条无修宪草案你将未交及国防员会审查续谈定30. |
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委员郭玉琴等你据陆海沟军刑法第24条条无修宪草案你将司法及法治未交及国防员会审查续谈定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
8101.219 |
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31.委員張雅琳擔任局海洋務委員會海巡署組織法第3條及第11條條文宣傳案 擬交司法及法制內層 聯合委員會審查32.委員張雅琳擔任局國家民主教育園區政治條例長案 擬交司法及法制教育界文化 聯合委員會審查33.委員張雅琳擔任肺脂 國立中山紀念堂管理署組織法 擬交司法及法制教育界文化 聯合委員會審查 |
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三十四 委員張雅玲的擬拒 社會救助法部份條文修正草案 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查三十五 委員邱振偉的擬拒 產業創新條例第二條及第二十三條修正草案 擬交經濟財政委員會審查三十六 委員鍾佳冰的擬拒 國民年金法部份條文修正草案 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
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8126.081 |
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8127.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
委員通告下案委員通告下案委員通告下案 |
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三十九 臺灣民眾黨黨團領巨 中央檢查大學組織條例第八條條文修正草案 擬交司法及法律內專監務界文化三委員會審查 宣暖彼此十 臺灣民眾黨黨團領廢止 行政院農業委員會逾越署組織條例 擬交司法及法律經濟兩委會審查 宣暖彼此十一 臺灣民眾黨黨團領巨 護理人員法則第十四條之一及第四十一條之一條文草案 擬交社會福利及外相環境委員會審查 宣暖彼 |
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8172.162 |
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8198.691 |
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四十二 臺灣民眾腦腦團體區護理人員法第24條及第29條條文修正草案李江社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查四十三 臺灣民眾腦腦團體區醫療法第24條及第106條條文修正草案李江社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查四十四 臺灣民眾腦腦團體區老年農民福利及天生條例第二條第四條及第七條條文修正草案李江社會福利及衛生環境經濟內政三務委員會審查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
8210.053 |
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政烈報告事項第44案 臺灣民眾黨團體金富爾魯相關提案並案協商 求院會有異議 願意本案金富爾魯相關提案並案協商 下議案 |
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8210.532 |
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8237.977 |
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四十五 總統資為最高檢查署檢查總長型態章 任期於一百十五年五月七日屆滿 自已法院組織法帝六十六條第二項規定 提名徐錫霄為最高檢查署檢查總長資請同意案 擬交司法及法制內政 兩委會審查 宣讀完畢無異 通過 保安院會 我們本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序 授權議事處進行調整現在我們繼續處理原列報告事項 請宣讀第二條 |
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8239.75 |
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全院會有無異議通過宣言 |
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3.委员侯梦凯等你去专业保险法第十九条税调文修正常案你交社会福利及保险环境委员会审查4.委员陈素月等你去陆海工具刑法第二十四条调文修正常案你交司法及法事或交集股房联网委员会审查5.委员陈素月等你去民法增提一百九十几条税调文常案你交司法及法事委员会审查6.委员陈素月等你去国民经济经贸部份调文修正常案你交社会福利及保险环境委员会审查7.委员陈素月等你去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
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请委员陈素月等你去老年农民福利今天算是条例第二条第四条及第七条条文修正常案你将社会福利及卫生环境经济内专三文会审查宣言完毕委员叶元志等你去全民防卫动物园准备法第九条条文修正常案你将外交及股份委员会审查宣言完毕委员叶元志等你去国家重点领域产权合作及人才品创新条例第四条条文修正常案你将教育局文化委员会审查宣言完毕 |
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8332.405 |
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10.委員 葉元志 等領據 教聖法第25條條文修正草案 禮教教務及文化委員會審查 宣言完畢11.委員 葉元志 等領據 國民年金法部分條文修正草案 禮教社會福利及文化環境委員會審查 宣言完畢12.委員 黃仁 等領據 運動採訊方形條例第6條及第7條條文修正草案 禮教教務及文化財政委員會審查 宣言完畢13.委員 黃仁 等領據 用來教育及照顧法第7條條文修正草案 |
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委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
8357.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
吳亦彤小雅吳亦彤小雅吳亦彤小雅 |
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8380.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
8381.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
21.內政委員會宣言 |
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8406.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
為從前為從前 |
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8427.503 |
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8454.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
二十四 農業部修正停止自發生非洲豬瘤果汁國家地區以郵遞寄送輸入豬肉產品第二點規定 領交經濟委員會 宣布完畢二十五 公民交易委員會修正事業結合一項公民交易委員會提出申報之銷售金額標準及計算方法第一點及第四點規定 領交經濟委員會 宣布完畢二十六 公民交易委員會修正不列入獨佔事業任意範圍之總銷售金額分分看 領交經濟委員會 宣布完畢 |
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8456.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
8456.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
主委通過下議案 |
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8481.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
8482.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
無依通告下案無依通告下案 |
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8500.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
8527.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
30 財政部喊送駐新加坡台北代表處與新加坡駐台北升班室處消除所得稅、雙乘客稅與防渡逃稅及避稅協定英文本集中一本並自115年2月13日生效你將財政部交給防聯委員會 宣轉閉可以通過下言31 交通部修正國內線航空乘客運送電信或企業應記載及不得記載生效應記載生效第一點第二點及第五點規定你將交通委員會 宣轉閉可以通過下言 |
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8550.86 |
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32 交通部修正日月潭公有碼頭及設施禁止事項第五點及第六點規定離交交通委員會宣傳畢33 交通部修正郵輪管理規則第28條第29條第49條條文及第30條附件三離交交通委員會宣傳畢34 交通部修正航空貨運及省政經營業管理規則部分條文離交交通委員會宣傳畢 |
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8575.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
三十五 交通部修正公路證照及監禮會費收費辦法第三條附表李江交通委員會宣讀三十六 交通部函為受中生不得考令駕駛執照處分重新申請考業辦法名稱修正為受中生不得考令駕駛執照限制重新申請考業辦法並修正第二條第六條條文及第八條附表自一百十五年一月三十一日施行李江交通委員會宣讀 |
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8577.06 |
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8605.486 |
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四十七 交通部內政不修正 道路交通安全掌心辦法第四條及第九條條文 並自125年1月30日實行 禮交交通內政兩委員會 宣言完畢五十八 交通部內政不修正 違反道路交通管理事件同意裁罰基準及處理細則部分條文及第二條副表 並自125年1月30日實行 禮交交通內政兩委員會 宣言完畢五十九 交通部內政不修正 道路交通安全規則部分條文 禮交交通內政兩委員會 宣言完畢 |
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我已通過選舉我已通過選舉我已通過選舉 |
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自主任考試院修正公務人員特首考試外交領事人員及外交行政人員考試規則第3條附表1等四項法規擬交司法及法治委員會宣傳法規自主任考試院修正公務人員特首考試法務部調查局調查人員考試規則第10條條文及第5條附表2第6條附表3擬交司法及法治委員會宣傳法規 |
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44.衛生福利部修正食品及相關產品輸入查驗規範優惠優惠標準第四條及第五條條文,聯邦社會福利局相關新聞委員會宣言。45. |
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勞動母海外歐國人從事休業服務法第46條定項第八款至第11款工作資格及審查標準名稱修正為,衛福人從事休業服務法第46條定項第八款至第10款工作資格及審查標準並修正部分條文, |
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本案交社会福利及卫生环境委员会审查官员会第46案至128案依序宣读其中第46、51至63、65至70、82、105案台湾民众党团提改交审查 |
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宣讀之後 以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘的議案均照議事處意見通過請問院會有無異議沒有異議 宣讀後我們通過 請宣讀 |
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第四六案 國家通訊傳播委員會第七案 勞動部第七二案 環境部第七三案 衛生福利部第七六案 金融監督管理委員會第七七案 教育部第七八案 學術部第七九案 環境部第104案 衛生福利部還為114年度中央政府準算附屬單位預算113年度中央政府準算附屬單位預算等預算決議分別解送相關報告 宣傳完畢 |
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抱怨會第129案及諮詢事項一併宣讀宣讀之後第129案我們准予被查請宣讀第129案為本院委員翁曉琳首發會當選地選協第五會期陳信偉委員會召集委員諮詢事項本院委員諮詢部分本院中委員江碧向行政院提出諮詢共一件宣讀完畢抱怨會柯建民委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄 |
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現在報告事項已經處理完畢我們要進行處理討論事項第一案本院台灣民眾黨團建議院會作成決議對內政委員會召集委員李柏毅委員提出最嚴厲譴責並一授紀律委員會嚴正要求民進黨政府停止對陸配與新住民的打壓等請公決案請議事長宣讀提案內容 |
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本院台灣民眾黨黨團有限於內政委員會召集委員李柏毅於119年3月16日主持會議時以一個人及政黨立場作法干預議事阻擾行政官員上台被詢使行政委員無法行使其被建法所賦予的職權李柏毅更速度刻意以李珍秀女士稱呼本院委員 |
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当李专秀委员要求官员上台被寻时李博弈竟称金鱼立法院长韩国瑜对于法律协商结论委员会尊重李专秀女士上台发言但也尊重行政院目前所有结论行政官员可以不必寻答也可不必提供资料 |
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李博弈公然藐视立法院长韩国瑜于115年3月11日党团协商证明确采释在相关事实查明前及司法终举裁判前有鉴于李珍秀委员尽已完成就职宣誓其立法委员身份及职权行使应有尊重其禁卫维持会议主席应维持中立政原则更依附行政权 |
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嚴格自封立委職權對他黨委員進行公然歧視與霸凌在李柏毅委員擔任本會期輪值常委的首日就將內政委會淪為民主笑柄李柏毅委員不僅甘為執政黨護航看門更毫無法制觀念地將陸配與新出名當成政治動身工具 |
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其带头践踏法制止遏制行为恐将助长灾难落地生根等新著名家庭同步遭受标签化与赤裸裸的歧视打压原进警又会作谁决议对本院内政委会教习委员李博弈115年3月16日主席会议实施行为提出最严厉之谴责 |
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並將李博弈委員移送紀律委員會嚴正要求民進黨政府停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治停止對陸培宇新著名的歧視打壓與追殺是否有當請公權恩宣讀完畢 |
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法院會議依照立法院執行新法第八條第三項之規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即一決交付審查或淨附二讀或不予以審議現在依照黨團共識本提案就不再說明就不再發言我們要進行大體討論依照黨團共識各黨團將推派三位代表進行發言每一個黨團一位委員首先我們請王宏威委員發言李貞秀委員請準備 |
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好主席各位同仁在這個禮拜三月十六號內政委員會召開委員會的詢答當時內政部長劉世芳拒絕上台被詢接受李貞秀委員的質詢而當時的召委李博義委員 |
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身為專委基本上應該要維護我們所有委員依法問政的職權但是當時大家透過整個直播看到的竟然是讓李正秀委員只能對著空氣質詢 |
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这叫做职场不折不扣的霸凌而且也侵犯了立法委员的权利这样的职场霸凌这样职场的冷暴力这样的绿色沙文主义活生生的在中华民国的国会殿堂上演 |
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我想這也只是民進黨執政的時候才會發生的情形 |
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其实李征秀委员他已经得到中选会颁发当选证书而且他完成宣誓而且我们的院长韩国瑜院长也进行了朝野协商做出决论就是在相关的事实查明之前以及司法中局裁判之前应该尊重李征秀委员他的职权的行使 |
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所以在当天内政委员会他并不是公听会他也不是国事论坛他是施政报告的一个答询如果当时李博弈 赵伟 |
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他所主持的会议竟然已经可以让李政秀委员登记去质询发言为何又可以直接大拉的说让行政院官员可以不用去接受质询而且也可以不接受提供资料我们要讲 |
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各位委員如果我們可以容許這樣的職場霸凌我們可以容許任意的貼標籤可以願意的去踐踏任何一位委員的職權這樣的行為可以發生在李宗秀委員的身上當然他也會發生在任何一個委員的身上這是對立法院職權的不尊重 |
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我們必須說這樣的行為真的是綠色沙文主義不要隨便往我們的族群往我們的陸配參政去貼標籤所以為了維護我們的尊嚴今天我們的立法院必須做出應該的事好 謝謝王宏文委員的發言接下來我們請李貞秀委員發言黃婕委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁今天台灣民眾黨團提出這一案不是為政治操作而是要問一個最根本的問題立法院還是不是立法院115年3月16號內政委員會會議中輪值召委李柏毅以個人及政黨立場 |
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粗暴干預議事直接宣布官員可以不上台備詢可以不回答問題甚至可以不提供資料 |
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我要请问,这算什么制度?这还是权力分立吗?行政权何时可以决定立法院能不能监督?更夸张的是,在会议中,李博弈多次刻意以李真秀女士称呼本院依法宣誓就职的立法委员。这不只是称谓问题,这是对立法委员身份的否定,是公开的羞辱。 |
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是制度性的排除韓國瑜院長早在3月11號的政黨協商中已經清楚才是在事實未釐清前已完成宣誓之委員其職權應與尊重結果李博弈直接無視院會協商用個人材料推翻立法院的決議 |
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這不是主持會議這是踐踏議事規則凌駕院會權威更嚴重的是李博弈的行為已經不只是程序問題而是價值問題他帶頭將陸配新住民當成政治鬥爭工具讓特定族群在國會中被標籤被排除被羞辱 |
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這樣的國會是民主國會嗎還是已經變成多數暴力的舞台一個朝委在本會期第一天就讓內政委員會成為民主笑柄 |
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不維持中立不遵守財勢甚至配合行政權封殺立委監督權這樣的行為如果今天不制止明天是不是任何委員只要立場不同都可以被禁止發言 |
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是不是國會可以變成只准一種聲音的地方因此本黨團嚴重提出對內政委員會召集委員李博義之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責並移送紀律委員會民主不是口號義士不能被綁架國會更不能淪為行政權的附庸以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝李貞炫委員發言我們接下來請最後一位發言的委員黃婕委員請發言拜託拜託一場維持秩序尊重發言委員的權益我們 |
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各位委員如果我們沒辦法維持一場秩序的話我們只有我們尊重發言委員的權益好嗎好不好拜託大家我們再一次謝謝接下來最後一位發言黃婕委員請發言 |
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好各位同仁大家早其實這個事情真的是一翻兩瞪也非常的簡單也非常的清楚就是擔任中華民國台灣的立法委員不能雙重國籍就是這麼簡單擔任中華民國台灣的立法委員不能有雙重國籍就是這麼簡單過去台灣民眾黨也是有蔓玉珍委員這樣的新住民 |
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他有放棄啊過去國民黨民進黨所有的新住民來到台灣我們都非常歡迎大家就是遵守台灣的法治台灣的民主所以他們照著台灣的法律放棄了他們的雙重國籍 |
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請問這麼簡單的問題李真秀女士沒有辦法回答嗎你放棄雙重國籍了嗎你放棄國籍那我們就歡迎你就是這麼簡單的一個問題為什麼至今沒有辦法回答呢 |
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那在这边我一定要把我们内政委员会的李博弈召委他非常的尽责当天他也遵守韩国瑜院长在协商的时候提出来的决议在法律争议还没有厘清之前让李征秀女士她甚至让她上台发言让李征秀女士也可以作为一个民众在立法院可以让她上台发言已经是对她最大的尊重 |
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李博毅委員尊重你們 請問你們有尊重他嗎沒有 請問台灣這麼一個民主 寬容然後法治的社會 尊重所有的新住民請問李貞秀女士 你有尊重台灣嗎你那天說 你在台灣吃台灣米 喝台灣水那你就好好的尊重台灣我們這裡的法治社會長這樣你有尊重過我們嗎 沒有 |
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鎖法有這麼困難嗎在這邊所有的都是立法委員都是人民一票一票選出來透過台灣這樣子一步一步的法律程序進來的大家效忠的就是中華民國台灣請問你那一天跟國台辦這樣互相唱和你效忠的是哪一個國家啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
中华民国那你为什么不去抗议国台办反而抗议李博弈啊你该谴责的不是李博弈而是国台办而是中华人民共和国你过去回去跟他们说拜托他们让你放弃中华人民共和的国籍再回到我们中华民国台湾告诉所有的台湾人民说你是一个台湾人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
你會單一效忠我們的國家這樣的邏輯就是這麼簡單請韓國瑜院長把這樣子沒有放棄沒有放棄國籍雙重國籍也沒有放棄戶籍的李珍秀女士解職吧好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝好 我們現在休息十分鐘 |
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抱怨会我们继续开会现在有台湾民众党团体进服二读我们现在开始按铃7分钟并分发表决卡现在开始按铃 |
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謝謝吳思瑤委員的指教我本席再次呼籲拜託各位委員我們互相尊重理性問政我們共同一起來維護立法院議場的秩序再次拜託大家謝謝 |
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好 各位委員報言會我們按鈴7分鐘時間已到請問是否都有拿到表決卡都有拿到表決卡我們針對台灣民眾黨團提議敬福二讀進行表決現在有民進黨團要求記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團提議先按贊成反對按反對時間1分鐘現在開始 |
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好,謝謝好,謝謝謝謝好,謝謝 |
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好 謝謝拜託各位黨團幹部約束一下各位黨團成員好 謝謝 |
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好 報告表決結果出席109位 贊成59位 反對50位 贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團體暫通過本案禁覆二讀依據立法院職權新法74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商 |
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並由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商好謝謝我們進入討論事項第二案謝謝各位委員拜託保持異常秩序拜託大家請就座謝謝好請就座 |
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好 謝謝我們進入討論事項第二案本月台灣民眾黨團建請院會作成決議對內政部部長劉世芳提出嚴厲譴責嚴正要求民進黨政府停止對陸配與新住民的打壓請公決案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本院台灣民眾大黨團有鑒於韓國瑜院長已於115年3月11日黨團協商明確裁釋在相關事實查明前及司法終局裁判前有鑒於李珍秀委員即已完成就職宣誓其立法委員身份及職權行事應與尊重 |
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内政部长刘世芳却于115年3月16日出席内政委会时会因违背行政的立法相互尊重相互监督制衡之原则与轮值政委李博弈沆瀣一气采取不上台背询不发抑郁之抵制态度极其傲慢地凭借行政权剥夺立法委员质询权不仅公然表示国会更践踏民主法治这个落得将弱势族群 |
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輪為政治鬥爭工具民進黨政府與內政部不斷操作李專秀委員身份議題默示拒絕中華民國憲法與兩岸人民關係條例早已違背其昔日新舊著名一律平等之承諾恐致使百萬陸配家庭遭標籤化 無名化原進行會作成決議對內政部務長劉世芳公然藐視國會 |
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違法濫權提出最嚴厲之譴責並嚴正要求民進黨政府停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治停止對陸配與新住民的打壓與追殺回歸依法行政之憲政常規是否有當請公決案宣傳完畢 |
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法院會依照立法院之間新司法第八條三項規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即議決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審議法院會依照黨團共識本提案說明不再發言現在進行大體討論依照黨團共識各黨團推派代表發言有三位代表特別拜託院會能夠尊重發言委員的權益拜託維持一場次序 |
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我們接下來請三位黨團特別代表的發言陳昭之委員請發言沈博洋委員請準備主席各位同事各位國人今天這個譴責案只有一句話 |
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行政權不能凌駕在國會之上我想請教民進黨的朋友們到底今天的台灣是你們過去一直想要修改的五權呢還是心心念念的三權或者是我現在眼睛看到的只剩下一權呢行政權要獨大嗎韓院長已經才是在協商的時候 |
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11052.995 |
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在沒有終極判決之前曾秀薇已經完成宣誓拿到當選證書就應該依法來行使她的職權結果部長劉世芳她在3月16號傲慢驕傲傲慢霸道直接不上台被尋這是在對抗國會如果所有的部長都學習她招喊趙薇也去護航她那立法院如何去行使我們的監督權呢 |
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面對這六七十年來的半個世紀以上糾結的問題民進黨政府選擇的是投馬封窩你用普通法去衝撞憲法你用普通法去衝撞特別法把本來應該平等對待的新住民你們嘴巴說新住民一律平等事實上是在製造標籤 製造對立累積你們選年底選舉的籌碼 |
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我們要求行政院做出我們要求立法院做出最嚴厲的譴責也要求民進黨立刻停止這種踐踏民主的行為單民國籍好有本事請公開宣布台灣中國一邊一國請公開宣布台灣中國一邊一國賴政府請宣誓那才有所謂的國籍法第二 |
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尊重我的發言權時間暫停 |
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這件事情是如你們以為講的嗎民主是你說的嗎 憲法是你說的嗎 |
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你們只剩8年 完全只剩8年你們有提過修憲嗎你們有提過制憲嗎你們當初答應我們的事 都做了嗎騙選票有本事 有本事就修憲有本事就制憲陳昭之委員 |
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有本事就修憲被總統親自公布兩岸是兩國然後你才有國籍法的問題都不懂嗎民權初步小學生都懂得現在現在時間暫停您稍微等一下好不好我們讓議場恢復次序發言委員請稍待一下 |
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好各位委員請就座拜託各位委員請就座好謝謝好我們 |
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再一次拜託各位委員請就座尊重發言委員好嗎好 謝謝謝謝謝謝再一次拜託大家尊重發言委員我們現在還有57秒第一位發言委員即將發言完畢謝謝 |
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謝謝 發言委員請繼續執政黨立委你們不要臭美了你們有資格談這個兩個國家嗎請賴總統出來講請賴總統出來向國際宣布兩岸是兩個國家然後才有國際法可言這是民權初步啊 |
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小學生都懂的事啊憲法高於特別法高於普通法有本事就提出修憲你們完全執政的時候有做嗎你們提出制憲啊什麼都不敢做只敢在家裡只敢在這裡欺負只敢在這裡欺負別人說錯到做到 |
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請看總統宣布兩個國家然後才頒出國際法這樣懂嗎這樣懂嗎憲法憲法是你們可以修正的請出動憲法民權初步好謝謝陳教授委員謝謝 |
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好各位委員同仁再次拜託各位委員保持肅靜下面還有兩位委員要發言拜託拜託大家請肅靜好嗎好接下來我們請沈伯陽委員請發言羅志強委員請準備 |
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主席 各位委員 大家好今天這個案件雖然剛剛有很多的這種不合事理的發言但我重新再幫大家梳理一次台灣人最喜歡講情理法我先講情就好了因為現在很明顯這邊有一群完全不懂法律的人我先講情就好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
大家不要忘記只要有中國國籍依照中國的國家情報法就必須要幫中國蒐集情報請問在這邊任何有一點良心的人都可以仔細想一下如果一個人有中國的國籍要蒐集情報請問我們要保護這樣的人 |
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難道我們要害他嗎?我們要讓他被中國威脅嗎?我們要讓他的家人被威脅嗎?只要有一點良心的人應該就知道你們來讓他當立法委員是在害他不是嗎?為什麼要這樣欺負新住民?這樣欺負新住民的不就是你們藍白嗎?當你把他做提名的那個過程當中你就沒有盡到保護新住民的義務不是嗎?再來講個大理 |
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請問今天國台辦做了多少的聲明欺負了多少我們的官員釋放假消息攻擊我們的部長結果呢你們在國家大義的前面選擇跟國台辦站在一起啊你們選擇跟中國人站在一起啊這個是連你都做不到的事情連大義都做不到的事情然後一天到晚在這邊說在撕裂社會 |
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情你們做不到 禮你們做不到更不要講說你們對法律的無知今天任何人要做台灣的立法委員他要參政 他要先取得戶籍他要放棄雙重國籍他在進入立法院的時候 他還要簽他沒有具備其他國籍的文件這三關的文件現在在哪裡 |
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以程序來講沒有任何一個可以把它提出來你沒有任何一個要件符合那要怎麼做台灣的立法委員這你就不遵守法治的結果嘛所以拜託不要忘記在那邊說什麼要修什麼國籍法在那邊說什麼要修憲我要告訴大家第一個不要再被國民黨洗腦了啦台灣哪是什麼一中憲法啊請問我們的憲法哪裡寫一個中國啊 |
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我們的憲法的固有疆域的固是固體的固不是固事的固我們的憲法就是台灣的憲法憲法的主權、治權就是在台灣這片土地上面根本就沒有一中憲法更不要講說我們之前在多數題的修憲委員會國民黨不肯參加不肯修憲的是你們 |
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所以拜託 台灣人民醒一醒啊不要再讓那個這樣下去不動的人啊 是不會發現身上的枷鎖啦好 謝謝沈博言委員發言謝謝好 等一下謝謝 |
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法院會再一次拜託我們還有最後一位委員要發言拜託大家務必維持下一場次序好嗎再一次拜託大家接下來我們請羅志強委員請發言我最尊敬的沈伯陽委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
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如果你爸爸在賺紅錢的時候你也可以像現在這麼慷慨激昂我對你致罪敬禮好不好我也要今天向在座的民進黨委員致上崇高的敬意台灣中國一邊一國喊得好響亮啊島語天關問啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
11726.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
了不起啊 來立可白立委林怡瑾率領的民進黨仲加立委提的兩國人民關係條例跑哪裡去啊立可白圖銷啦不見啦拿出來嘛給大家批判啦我要告訴各位 謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
台灣中國一邊一國不是用喊的台灣中國一邊一國民進黨把立法的條文拿出來修兩岸人民關係條例你就做到了台灣中國一邊一國不用喊的叫賴清德總統宣布台灣獨立修憲證明台灣共和國就做到了不是很簡單嗎 |
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11787.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
不用羅志強教你吧有這麼困難嗎說白了一句話支持你們先把版本拿出來 沈博雅沈博雅叫林議警立刻帶立委把兩國人民關係條例拿出來嘛給大家好好審嘛所以不要再所謂的嘴砲台獨用行動 拜託各位 |
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我還是要告訴大家今天我在這邊我不是幫民眾黨去譴責劉世芳跟李柏毅也不是幫國民黨去譴責劉世芳跟李柏毅我是幫陳水扁幫蔡英文譴責劉世芳 |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
陳舍扁執政朝小野大朝野不合兩岸對立他從來沒有把清算的刀斧對準陸配的參政權蔡英文執政絕對多數也是一樣朝野不合兩岸對立他從來沒有把清算的刀斧對準陸配的參政權 |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
11853.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
只有你們現在賴清德治下的民進黨去踐踏今天弱勢的陸配參政權官員不上台那我想請問你 民主何在兩岸人民關係條例趕快改啦 謝謝您 |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
11894.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
好 謝謝報告院會現在台灣民眾黨團體禁服二讀我們要進行表決針對台灣民眾黨團體禁服二讀進行表決現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團體請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果在場委員109位贊成59位反對50位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團體通過本案進覆二讀依據立法院職権新法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商抱怨會上午會議進行到此為止下午2點30分我們繼續開會進行施政方針及施政報告之諮詢 |
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现在休息 |
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我們現在開始開會對行政院長的施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢質詢之前我們請副院長報告各部會首長請假請行 |
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社會委員會行政院來函楊政務委員甄妮應公請假經濟部工部長明星應公請假由何次長進倉代表列席交通部陳部長世凱應公請假由陳次長彥博代表列席文化部李部長遠英病請假由王次長實施代表列席 |
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好 我們現在首先請李博義委員質詢徐巧欣委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝 有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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理委好 院長辛苦啊 有苦難言啊不會 面帶笑容本來應該是今天早上大概10點到10點半要對行政院做的這個質詢因為我在禮拜一主持的這個會議那包含劉世芳部長兩個人一個被送紀律委員會那一個被譴責那其實卓院長你在3月6號的時候已經被被譴責了對不對 |
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你3月6號的時候被立法院譴責了我們堅持在法的立場上這種譴責對我們來講我們是檢討我們對法的執行是不是完全能夠落實院長這句話就是要講給我聽的所以我也是堅持在法的立場上對於有違法疑慮有身份的這一個女士我採取非常尊重的態度韓院長我尊重你的協商結論我請這位女士上台 |
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我也尊重行政院目前對所有法律的這些解讀那我也尊重行政院的官員內政部劉士藩部長不必上台回應那我想兩個尊重換來了絕情的這個送紀律委員會啦就如同卓院長你的尊重你其實上個禮拜你在3月13的時候行政院也送了選委會的人事案進來那你得到了什麼結果 |
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總院長 選委會人事案中選會啊對 中選會人事案這個是基於過去到現在我們認為如果要讓行政院所有的機關部會能夠順利的運作尤其這種人事同意權我們願意採取一種政黨之間黨團之間互相來協調的方式所以另外除了執政黨的兩個黨有照你剛一開始跟他們協調的方式來做嗎 |
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這個倒是非常的遺憾而且是非常的意外所以你就兩個真心換來了兩個絕情跟我一樣我兩個尊重換來了一個絕情所以今天其實是心情非常的差但是為了法治為了我們會繼續來堅持這樣子我跟李委員我們互相鼓勵我覺得生臉不打笑臉人我們還是保持微笑謝謝院長的鼓勵來院長 |
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台股台股從2024年的5月20號也就是你上任那一天其實是一個指標啦就已經上了21000點到今天剛好22個月3月20號台股到33500點左右你上任以後賴清德總統上任以後台股的漲幅是大概在58%那我再說明從2016年到2024年蔡英文總統任內 |
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台股從8,130點左右上漲到21,250點那所有的報導所有的產業結構都顯示這裡面蔡英文總統八年內漲了超過160%那所有的報導 |
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所有的研究都顯示這個跟台灣的AI進入半導體產業鏈有非常非常大的相關黃仁勳也在GTC大會上面說了我百分之百確信世界上會有很長很長很長一段時間半導體產業都會依賴台灣那我來講高雄跟這有什麼關係我非常有感 |
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在卓院長在去年7月4號來到陽明交大高雄分校為國家重點領域校際援教園區正式揭牌的時候我有參加那天非常感動你可以看到當高雄的中油煉油廠變身為台積電當高雄的舊左營國中在我服務處的對面 |
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在上個禮在上個月揭牌成為國立清華大學當聯堂會館成為國立陽明交大當這些產業佈局在高雄的時候當天清華大學那天我聽到的除了很多清華跟陽明交大的校友都來之外台下很多這些半導體供應鏈的這些老闆們也都來了 |
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他們非常開心因為他們看到他們的產業鏈終於有人才要來了產業帶來人才所以在這邊我第一個要先跟卓院長爭取的你就知道也就是這個國家重點領域校紀人教園區我們會有六棟新建還有四棟現在已經三棟已經完成然後一棟還在整修中那我在這邊也跟院長再做一個說明 |
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3月12號的時候陽明交大高雄校區的電子物理系碩士生他要錄取15個人來報名的有358個人 |
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報名非常踴躍所以院長我們的後續的這一些我們知道4年有100多億的經費計畫院長也在之前都有支持包含9億的經費包含預備金都支持了都支援了但是你看到現在報名這麼好我們是不是可以開始啟動下一階段六所六棟新建的校舍可以開始啟動 |
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好謝謝李委員委員剛剛提到台灣的經濟的局勢我覺得第一個跟國際局勢穩定發展以及變化是有關的再來是跟政府政策明確的方向最重要的是產業界研發升級跟所有國人的努力這才是最大的關鍵所以我們看到高雄在過去這幾年 |
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有一個傳統的重工業的城市污染比較高的城市要一直轉化成一個高科技領頭在我們大南方新矽谷的一個重要的工作而且也對地方的招商引進很多的國際大廠來紛紛投資未來也會有很多的相關建設 |
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那委員所提到的這一件就是高雄市的教園園區的一個整建計畫那確實在7月4號當天到現場看到我們所有的這個很多的地方人士還有我們教育界也非常的重視那因為它有新蓋的6棟還有舊有的4棟要分別形成一個10棟建築物的一個教園園區 |
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那也就裡面的這個使用充分有合理而且詳盡的規劃而有一段時間要來做整個的興建那我們認為這四棟原就有的這個建築物先加以整修開始讓它能夠先進入那麼六棟後續在逐年來進行完成它整個建設 |
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所以相關的132億的預算我們現在是原則上已經同意了有100億的預算先來逐年來進行那希望高雄市政府能夠展現跟過去一樣的高效率把這個地方能夠形成一個新的人才培育的基地 |
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高雄市政府把這個土地水電等等這些處理好之後人才方面都需要行政院大力的支持市政府說要自己蓋那我們也希望可以有什麼方式可以讓你院長看到這個招生非常的踴躍這四棟完全不夠那所以我們希望可以趕快來核定因為蓋還要時間我們還要繼續準備招生那這個是產業界非常想要看到的東西我希望 |
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高雄能夠再完成兩個問題第一個就是除了陽明交大之外也跟帶地的南部的基礎大學做充分的教學研究同時提升南部的教學的品質第二個人才培育出來是全國的人才甚至是邁向世界更吸取重要的先進知識回國的重要人才在這裡做培訓所以他不是為一地一市的工作這個像高雄市政府跟中央是取得高度的默契 |
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我會跟共識政府跟行政院持續的來緊盯著這件事情那其實除了我從我從學校開頭我從台積電開頭我從半導體開頭我從台積電然後包含封測日月光包含 |
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關鍵材料國具包含設備包含鴻海包含萬潤等等這些全部一致排開院長我剛講這些公司就是黃仁勳講的這些公司我剛講這些公司他就座落在男子科學園區他就座落在他就已經 |
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預定要在橋頭科學園區或者是埃斯摩爾等等他已經在陸竹科學園區或者是現在輝達正在跟市政府合作的在香蕉碼頭或者是在雅灣區分別其實中央都給予很多的支持包含捷運紅線 |
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包含我現在一直在推動的捷運子線捷運子線會串聯會把整個AI的產業鏈讓這些半導體來這些半導體工作的人他都可以搭捷運所以其實捷運子線目前的進度我也在這邊要趕快來跟院長來請命其實公司政府已經送出可行性評估 |
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接下來我們要請交通部趕快核定可行性評估之後直接開始綜合規劃以及環評的這些相關的工作我們希望可以在今年也就是2026年 |
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趕快送出之後可以開始即刻開始這個綜合規劃然後還頻等等那讓其實捷運黃線綜合規劃還頻之後四年內可以動工我們正在做這個努力指線的可行性評估3月10號已經送到由鐵道局送到交通部交通部的後續作為請交通部來說明 |
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禁訴核定李委員報告我們收到了高雄市政府有關紫線的可行性報告之後我們就依照相關的程序禁訴已經交辦給鐵道局鐵道局審視之後大概就會依照程序召開所謂的委員會的審查後續委員所關心的事項我們會加速來辦好 請禁訴核定 謝謝 |
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接下來我其實除了這個之外在高鐵現在目前到高雄之後我們爭取他直接連通到高雄捷運這一段我也跟高鐵公司隨時保持進度的追蹤除了鐵路另外一條另外一個很重要的飛機 院長 |
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你帶來的那台飛機A330華航那台我其實可以接受因為當初我們要設計A350跟B787 Boeing 787我們是希望這種新的機型其實它是可以安排飛東京之外它可以直飛到美國它可以直飛到澳洲也可以直飛到歐洲 |
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那高雄現在變成半導體的重鎮之後那其實我知道華航今年度喔華航今年度的這個波音787會交貨會交集還有 |
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另外的國航另外有兩家國航聽說也都有機會來高雄那我也希望交通部如果其他的民航公司可以把這種大型客機安排在高雄飛定期航線的話我們要給予相當的鼓勵但是我們對於華航我們是希望它政策性一定要安排這台飛機先座落高雄以高雄為基地之後我們可以直飛歐美 |
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謝謝李委員 除了一直關心高雄必須要有一個24小時的機場之外也對於帶來廣體客機能夠降落在小港機場這個作為李委員一直非常的關心我們在去年也達到這樣的一個工作期待 據交通部跟航空公司的回應是旅客乘坐這種廣體客機的比例相當高 |
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顧客搭乘的比例相當高航線隨著顧客旅客一直的使用率的提高那麼會請航空公司基於各項服務的考量我們再請交通部跟航空公司來協調盡量開闢更多適合我們南部起飛降落的航線來服務國人 |
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謝謝院長有一個蠻可怕的現象我不希望這個事情繼續發生就是小港機場它聯航的比例年年增加我感謝民航局給我這個資料它從2023年聯航的比例大概是35%到現在2026年1月聯航的比例已經佔44%我希望小港可以多元發展我希望小港也可以直飛歐美澳剛剛院長講的 |
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要不要24小時的機場那個是很久以後的事情其實現在的歐美澳的航班在白天在桃園機場飛的就非常多我也有列舉出來我希望高雄可以慢慢走向這一點今年就可以做得到那另外 |
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我要在新台17線也希望明年可以如期完工新台17線非常感謝現在的行政團隊一路來的支持包含對國防部的待拆待建的這個戰備跑道又多花了很多二十幾億的這個工件經費我非常非常的感謝那也期待希望在明年1月就可以來完工完成通車讓這些半導體的物資在運送上都不會有問題最後我從AI從 |
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股市來開頭有1400萬的股民那有更多的消費人口昨天行政院有一個 |
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不是行政院應該是從衛福部開始有一個政策希望這個小吃部民眾可以購買的時候都用電子支付那有一個輔導期是從2026年到2028年會輔導免稅那財政部也發了一個新聞稿卻被曲解解讀成2029年就要開始收了院長有沒有這件事 |
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好我們正式的一個回應社會大眾以及媒體的這個報導我們是再次的強調是要落實我們這個行動支付的來臨年時代的來臨以及符合衛生福利部希望盡量在小支部不要用手接觸到錢幣增加衛生但是他過去因為要推廣這個他有一個租稅優惠的期限那優惠期限在117年會到但目前財政部是會觀察 |
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整個推動的情形包括電子支付的推動包括這種衛生提升的推動到底小吃的這行業在這個部分的落實執行如何所以在租稅期間未滿的時候沒有其他的問題還是繼續 |
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好 謝謝李博義委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝好 接下來我們請許巧勳委員請質詢謝謝院長那我們是不是能夠有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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薛恩好院長好我們今天來關心一下美國跟以色列他們為了推翻伊朗的伊斯蘭革命政權所以從2月28號開始展開的聯合軍事行動那麼因為這樣子的關係所以伊朗他也封鎖了全球經濟非常重要的和我們在海下 |
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那在這個荷姆斯海峽受到威脅的情況之下主要影響到國際原油的價格戰爭爆發以來布蘭特的原油飆升55%以上歐洲的天然氣也是一度在19號的時候跳漲到35% |
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那我們非常關心台灣的情況那根據富比士雜誌他最新的專題報導裡面提到了台灣他是這麼說的他說台灣每天進口52.5萬桶的原油儲備可以維持100天但裡面有80%也就是42萬桶我想他的意思是說源頭的部分是來自於中東而這些油是一定要經過和我們在海峽的所以我想請問一下院長就是台灣也因為這場戰爭那受到了衝擊 |
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這場戰爭衝擊全世界台灣當然也受到了衝擊我們評估的部分目前台灣受到哪一些的衝擊 |
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最明顯的就是我們對於LNG的掌握但目前在三四月我們都已經確實掌握到來源五月份也積極在滿足五月份的需求那六月開始我們還有其他新的合約會展開我們希望擴大其他新的合約另外一方面就是難免這樣的一個情勢對國內的物價有蠢蠢欲動的這個現象所以經過我們物價平穩小組也 |
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由原來的美季開會變成美周開會來實際掌握原油的部分因為我們儲備的量是比較多的但未來我們還是希望能夠朝向分散市場這樣的方式來確保各個來源的安全跟穩定 |
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那接下來我就要詢問有關錢的部分了就是說呢中油現在每賣出去一公升的汽油那這個在應該是部長吧然後接受委員的質詢的時候那就有講到說近兩週共同承擔了33億的油價成本那等於是每一公升汽油就是要多吸收十幾塊錢那這裡面呢當然我可以把它分成說針對油價動漲的部分 |
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還有針對因為天然氣發電每度成本價格往上的金額我想要問一下就是33億這個總額總數字是包含我剛剛講的這兩種情況那它分別是分別的數字是多少 |
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哪兩個數字就是呢因為我們有油價動漲嘛那我們有油價動漲的部分跟另外一個部分是天然氣每度發電的成本的提高嘛就天然氣價格上漲的部分嘛那總體來說吸收是33億嘛那我想要問一下他們雙就這兩個部分分別的這個金額的數字是怎麼樣分開來了解因為 |
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後者 天然氣的部分那它才比較是說針對現在的戰爭所以我想針對能源的這個議題了解我們吸收了多少錢張林有理解我的意思嗎油價的部分 油價因為我們有雙環漲的機制一個是亞林最低價跟亞洲鄰近國家比較我們採取最低價這過去都這樣 不是現在才有的 |
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那另外在這一次我們又啟動一個專案平穩的機制會吸收在雅林最低價先計算過之後如果再漲的部分由中油來吸收60%60%所以說這個33億的數字可不可以再詳細說明一下它就具體而言因為總體這兩個禮拜以來吸收33億很多民眾在詢問那它的相關細節可不可以針對這個33億的部分給我們一些補充 |
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我首先要請經濟部但是我先表達我非常感謝經濟部跟中油的同仁們在這一次能夠依照國際這樣情勢的發展他們是牙齒咬斷請經濟部來回答跟委員報告我們第一週吸收了大概9億元那9億是怎麼樣的一個情形9億元就是說我們有一個平穩的機制 |
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平穩的機制算出來之後就剛剛院長講的中油來吸收六成這樣的一個價格因為第一週其實國際油價的漲幅還沒有那麼高所以吸收的金額比較有限第二週吸收的金額就比較大了第二週就是24億那接下來要進到第三週了我們有預期在第三週的部分那可能會要再吸收多少嗎 |
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這個會隨國際原油價格對啊那因為昨天的這個晚上有跳回來一點那像昨天晚上來說的話因為我們都在看這個整個油價的情況嘛那這個漲幅其實非常大的所以我想要問一下這個評估是第三週那基本上會第一週然後第二週更高第三週更高還是說第三週能夠再評以下來我們目前的評估是如何的 |
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我們正在做最後的評估因為過去我們先讓那個部長講一下好不好過去我們對油價的發布都在禮拜天那現在我們提前到禮拜六所以今天禮拜五應該會做最精密最精本週最精確的計算所以我沒有問數字嘛因為你的數字的發布一定是看你們的時間嘛但是你現在都已經禮拜五了基本上你應該知道說比上一週多還是比上一週少我只簡單的問這個而已 |
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我評估應該不會比上一週少因為我下一個了解了解這個大家都是在深受其害我沒有任何苛責的意思你不要緊張但是我要問的是說因為每一針針如果繼續打然後每一週你看第一週9億第二週24億第三週如果我們先不講數字但往上的話那我們會很擔心說中油這六成的這個吸收我們有沒有一個臨界點 |
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就是說這個要一直吸收到這個戰爭結束為止還是說呢有一個臨界點那在這個臨界點過後沒有辦法持續我們就必須用什麼樣的一個其他的機制來因應我們行政院有沒有做這個評估呢我們首先要克服中油目前的財政狀況我們看中油的需求他需不需要跟所謂的金融機構 |
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更多的融資讓他去渡過現在的困難再來我們現在也回過頭來檢討我們的特別條例當中因應國際局勢特別條例當中可不可能有可以來致用的部分那最終還有一個方式就是說因為您剛剛講到這個條例致用的部分有沒有了解過那大概有多少的金額還有機會能來做運用的 |
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我們正在核算這個部分還在核算那可能你們要盡快好嗎因為這個每週往上的數字然後這個條例本身也就在那這個條例因為我們當初既然通過了它在那當然就是因應特殊的局勢那所以說我們早就應該是應該要知道說這個裡面還有多少金額是能夠拿來去做吸收或是貼補的所以除了融資之外你剛講條例裡面還有的這個金額那是不是會後可以提供相關的這個數字給我 |
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因為這個中東其實還在發展這個金額可能會不小是這樣子的因為呢您剛講這個條例裡面能夠使用的金額的部分他是一定的因為這是原有的條例嘛對吧那所以說原有的條例還能運用多少數額最多的這個數額數字是多少應該在裡面是可以看得到的呀原來用的就目前來看或許還夠但再發展就不夠 |
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那如果再發展的話你們的意思是說這樣的一個條例還要再提出追加嗎或是怎麼樣做決定那我剛剛講第三點我們可能必須考量如何讓中有是不是可以經過大家同意能夠來增資而且一定程度的增資讓他的財務能夠穩定 |
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好 我了解了 增資所以就這三個辦法我們重複一次第一個是跟金融業的融資貸款第二個是根據先前的因應特別局勢的條例裡面還能支用的部分我們來支應第三個可能要針對這個中油進行增資讓我們的整體的油價能夠因應美伊戰爭的情勢對台灣的波及我這樣描述是正確的好 接下來我要問一下因為 |
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這個美國總統川普他在3月14號的時候發文提到只要是受到荷姆斯海峽影響的國家都有責任去保衛這個荷姆斯海峽的安全那目前他點名的是一些合作比較緊密或者是有實力的國家包含中國大陸法國日本韓國跟英國他在3月14號的時候是被點名的 |
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接下來今天早上最新的消息從14號到今天經過一些協商目前歐洲五國英國 法國 德國 義大利 荷蘭還有日本已經發布了聯合聲明指出他們準備要投入適當的行動以確保荷姆在海峽能夠安全通行 |
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然後呢因為17號的時候川普他總統他也有說有七個國家正在協商這個部分所以我剛算了一下目前歐洲五國再加日本一國嘛那他在3月17號的時候講七個國家那我想問一下最後一個不會是中華民國吧 |
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沒有吧報告委員動用這種行動實際行動從來在行政院上我們並沒有辦法去要國軍做任何的行動從來也不是我們曾經有過的這個選項當然啊對很多國家來說都不見得是他們有過的選項但我的問題是說你先我先了解一下就是說因為川普所點名的七個國家裡面有六個現在目前已經已知了嘛還有一個不知道是誰的應該不是我們吧我先跟你確認這個 |
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我想那可能性極低不是我們嘛對不對那再來就是說因為前面有提到說我們呢如果受到美伊戰爭的原油價格衝擊那從川普的角度來說呢基本上他會認為你也有這個責任那如果再加上台灣跟美國的這個軍事外交合作是相當緊密的 |
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我询问一下如果美方询问台湾是否能够协防这个荷姆斯海峡保护荷姆斯海峡我用更温和的说法那它不是一种战争的一个概念是说保护荷姆斯海峡进出的这些船只能够安全通过如果说美方有对我们提出这样的要求的话那请问一下院长我们的具体态度是什么能不能跟国人做一个说明 |
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我先講原則的回應再請部長說明我想政府最要保護的是國人的安全以及我們航行船隻的安全我們盡量保護這兩個安全那超越這個之外的都不是行政院應該有的職權我想國軍的最大能力是在保衛國家國人跟所有屬於我們中華民國國籍的航空界以及船舶的安全那除了這個之外目前我們沒有任何的計畫是目前還是那個顧部長請說 |
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我想簡要的跟委員報告最主要我們現在面對這個中共每天在我們台海周邊的洗澡每天都有至少五哨以上的軍艦所以我們要應對高強度的揮帶的一個洗澡還有不斷可能的一個軍事威脅所以我們整個國軍的重心當然就是在隨時警戒利用所有各項勤奸證的手段跟有謀的 |
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這種情緒的交換來掌握這個台海周邊我瞭解我也非常同意這個是我們國軍我非常同意因為我今天之所以會提出這個問題也是憂慮所以如果說今天因為美方希望我們來協助保護那在這個軍力上面做了調整的話那我們會面臨一個空虛的情況所以謝謝兩位的這個回答但是除此之外我們可以看到不少人 |
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包含這個我不一點名可是不少所謂台派的人士可以看一下投影片他們認為我們應該要請國軍去護航河北海峽包含說這個會記得台灣然後有講到說我們應該要表態 |
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願意幫忙似乎跟兩位剛剛所談及的這個方向是不太一樣的可以針對這些因為有部分的人是開始那可能去說我們台灣應該我們台灣應該要去保護要去協助要去幫忙美伊戰爭無論是人員部隊的或者是武器的或者是船隻的針對這個部分可不可以回應一下類似這樣子在輿論上面的一個討論 |
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我想就國防部的立場 迄今為止 這個我們沒有思考到有這樣子的一個行動好 那如果說美國他有公開的 比如川普 他有公開的點名台灣希望我們來協助 我們仍然能夠維持一樣的立場嗎 |
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我想這是一個假設性的問題這不是假設性因為他都點名其他國家了那我們之間這個關係這麼緊密他當然也有可能今天沒有接獲這樣子的我跟你們說等一下這不是假設性為什麼因為我剛剛講了幾個川普的要件是什麼受到荷姆茲海峽影響的相關國家那我剛剛確認了我們是有的 |
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再來他點名的國家裡面第一島鏈的包含像是日本等國家他們也已經前往支援了或者是有一些比如薩德飛彈的移轉了所以這不是一個假設性的問題這是未來有可能出現的情況所以在他發生之前我要先詢問我們國軍的立場是什麼好不好簡單說明一下 |
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我想簡單因為委員的問題是說川普邀請川普沒有現在迄今為止我們沒有接獲任何要川普邀請我們這個訊息所以他確實是一個假設性的第一點第二點我剛已經講過我們整個皇位的 |
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這個國軍整個的任務就是在防衛的颱風金馬那所以我們整個的重心都是圍繞著我們現在日益升高的灰色地帶的襲擾以及可能對我們的軍事威脅這是我們現在的整個的國軍的重要任務那我希望這樣子現在可以一直維持那無論接下來有沒有被點名到那需要去協助因為 |
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看到這麼多所謂的這個台派人士說我們應該要去那我其實並不是那麼同意我比較站在剛才顧部長跟我們卓院長的想法現在台海的局勢那應該是優先守護中華民國那為我們主要的要務那我希望如果假設真的這麼一天被詢問的時候我們也可以大力的表達剛才這樣子上訴的立場 |
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那在美伊衝突的過程當中呢關於我國的軍備我們有台灣有不少的愛國者飛彈第三型接續也有一些採購的計畫那我想問一下院長您了解就是愛國者飛彈三在美國每年的產量大概是多少嗎如果不清楚也可以請部長待會兒作答部長清楚美國的產量是愛國者飛彈第三型 |
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跟委員報告我現在沒有辦法能夠確實地立即回答因為愛國者的飛彈它不只只有在美國生產它也會有在跟美國生產我們是對美採購所以我只問美國 |
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那為什麼我要問這個問題我不是故意要考你們或是要考倒你們是因為我們今天要採購一批飛彈然後我們是這樣美國採購的話那我們一定要了解它每年的產量是多少這樣子我才能知道我採購起來的時候那我所規劃的這個期程會不會能夠順利交貨因為民眾會擔心有延宕交貨的風險所以我才問這個問題那基本上 |
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這個我們從建案開始比如說我們要採購這個相關的這些武器的系統他都可以跟我們討論需要的項目數量然後交易的期程雙方簽署發價書之後然後他跟合約商還要進行預約 |
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這個流程我非常了解我沒有任何意義我毫無意義但是我的意思是說我們今天如果要採購一個飛彈然後多少枚等一下我會具體講那我們應該要先知道人家每年度的產能因為這樣子在採購的時候我會比較清楚 |
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沒有問題那你也可以告訴我說今年度明年度他能夠新增多少的產線新增百分之多少但我現在先我要繼續往下告訴你2025年愛國者飛彈他跟各國的這個同意交易的數量他會跟合約商去議論那我問你喔2025年美國的愛國者飛彈的產能是幾枚 |
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那你需要我告訴你答案對不對一共是600枚為什麼我要講這個是因為從這個事情上面你可以看到CSIS針對美伊戰爭開始戰爭的前100個小時以內美軍每日花費8.94億的美元裡面有關於我們講的愛國者防空飛彈總數就已經超過800枚 |
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所以他一年基本上他一年能夠產的量那他在十個小時之內其實就已經用掉了所以我現在第一個點是說美伊戰爭對於美方這裡他去消耗他的尤其是重要的這些彈藥那他接下來他會有很高程度的需求這是第一點 |
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第二点就算没有美伊战争我们拿过去四年俄乌战争为例您知道吗乌克兰所获得的爱国者它还是第二型跟第三型两个算在一起飞弹仅仅只有600枚而已所以爱国者飞弹其实是相当稀有的 |
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你不要告诉我说产线可能会增加那你可以说产线会增加多少如果你告诉我这个数字的话这个比例的话我是可以接受的但在此之前我要谈的事情是我们可以看到越市然后乌克兰 |
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波蘭他們都有採購愛國者飛彈但他們目前全數面臨到延宕的情況我並不是現在要講說台灣一定會延宕怎麼樣我只是把其他國家採購愛國者飛彈之後他們目前面臨的情況可以看一下日式的報導日式面臨美制防衛系統的進一步延宕澤倫斯基警告烏克蘭因為中東衝突面臨愛國者飛彈的短缺還有波蘭預計交付的這個部分也會延宕 |
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那麼我們基本上有兩個部分跟愛國者飛彈3有關第一個是軍購節餘款200億所購買的102枚愛國者飛彈空軍目前說不會受到中東情勢的影響會今年如期交貨可不可以請問一下我們現在目前了解102枚的愛國者飛彈具體而言是幾月會到貨 |
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跟委員報告我想第一個您說這個美國的這個產量600枚的這個部分我覺得我需要下去再做一個查證你好 你去查證哪有你幫你查過啦這個點就是說相關的這個採購愛三飛彈當時我們用捷一款採購了這個相關的這個愛三的飛彈交運的這個相關的期程到現在為止呢我們並沒有接貨有要遲延的部分 |
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這個我們本來就是依照相關的節點來進行這個是 所以我們的節點今年是在幾月的時候要到的貨我剛剛的問題就是這個我的了解是我們會在未來三年達到這個交運的一個不對不對 我講的是這102枚的部分 |
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因為空軍的說法是今年就會到啊今年會如期交運啊這個是空軍的公開的說法我現在講的不是特別條例的我現在講的是200億我們已經購買的102枚的愛國者飛彈我再強調一次空軍告訴我們的是不會受到國際情勢的影響會正常交貨這個我剛剛也同意您剛剛所說的但具體而言今年會在什麼時間的節點能夠如期的到貨可不可以請您說明 |
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您講的這個102美式紙後來用結一款買的這個部分對那結一款的這個部分我的了解他並沒有說有遲延的一個同時我知道我剛剛說了但我問的是今年今年要交運多少這件事情我要回去再查那你又要回去再查你也知道很多的這個立法委員還有民眾都對於這個軍購的這個期程的部分我先不講延宕以免你誤會 |
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軍購的其成非常的在意那愛國者非但又是重中之重我有今天在這裡您來接受備詢然後呢我問你說那請問今年度會交貨多少在沒有延宕的情況之下你沒有辦法回答我這個我怎麼能夠接受呢不過跟委員報告我很感謝委員剛剛對一些數字跟期限那麼精確的一個了解在這個同樣的邏輯底下也請委員能夠大力的來支持讓我們可以有直播的時間去採購就像現在我們去買 |
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把事情弄到別的地方事先就事論事等一下這個軍購條例我會再細細跟你討論好不好不要我問一個問題好像把我當敵人一樣我沒有這個意思我只是想要我剛剛問的問題能夠得到一個確切的答覆那如果沒有答覆我你可以告訴我說會後再跟我說明也是可以的好嗎我想我們現在跟美國買這麼多的一個武器現在我這樣站上來委員你問我說那今天要交易多少那你如果 |
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我可以同意我在會後我們在會後我們就相關你講的這個持續案的部分你要了解相關個別的武器系統 |
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要交應的數量我會在查證之後跟委員麻煩你了那請你以後先準備好再來好不好因為這樣的話我問的很多問題都是這個回答方式那我下一個問題那我擔心難度更高嘛因為我接下來要討論到特別條例裡面了 |
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在行政院版本的特別條例裡面應該是有包含這個也是愛國者飛彈的那從新聞報導裡面可以看到我們預計像美方在採購超過一個愛國者三型飛彈到贏的這樣子的一個規模那如果是一個贏的話大概就是450到500多枚左右這個金額是不是評估大概4000到5000億啊 |
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跟委員報告我想你也知道我們所有相關的這些案項跟美國的案項在還沒有美國還沒有進行智慧國會之前受台美機密法規的規範我們都是列為機密案 |
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這也是為什麼我從這個地方跟您說就是為什麼大家在這個特別條例無論他當初在這個覆不覆為的階段或是現在審查的時候那會有所疑慮的原因因為我們要問的一些比較具體的內容那你也告訴我說要等到發架書來了以後那你才能告訴我這個也是核定不是等到發架書等到知會國會之後我想過去所有的建案程序都是我們先備預算 |
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這個等一下我還會再細論但是因為我今天想要問你的是說我們現在假設從新聞報導上看到除了原本我們剛剛講的已經200億採購的102枚之外還要採購一個營大概450到500枚的飛彈 |
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我剛講的幾個條件第一個美方的產能有可能不足這個你說你還要回去查嘛第二個呢是美方戰爭有大量的需求這個應該是具體的事實以及第三點我剛已經秀給你看了其他國家有延檔的情況那我們憑什麼認為我們自己的這個採購不會有延檔這個等之後因為我覺得你現在可能沒有辦法回答我因為你剛也講了因為在國會授權之前等等的那到底我們有什麼樣的自信心在我剛講的這三點情況之下 |
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因為剛剛委員所問的一些問題我想在還沒有智慧國會之前 |
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沒有問題我們先接下來這個美伊戰爭消耗了不少高價值的重要彈藥尋求第一島鏈的盟友援助那包含美國他轉移了在韓國駐美軍的防空飛彈薩德的部分還有愛國者防空飛彈日本調動了2500名的陸戰隊員前往中東支援那麼這兩件事情都削弱美軍在整個太平洋戰區的反應能力那我想問一下 |
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因為我們2023年其實有簽署一個國防授權法案裡面的5503條有納入總統可以為台灣地區建立緊急儲備包含彈藥跟其他防禦物資的相關文字請問一下中華民國目前跟美方是不是已經有設置相關的措施那他調動武器的話是否需要我們的同意 |
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這個如果是機密不能回答沒有關係但是我想要請教的是如果有需要相關的一些彈藥跟物資因為煤衣衝突的移轉我們是否會同意 |
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剛剛您講到那個NDA裡面所講的這個部分我想我沒有辦法公開是沒問題但是我可以說明的是美方並沒有要求我們要在這裡美方現在並沒有因為我知道你回答過這個問題但是很有趣的是您當初回答的是這樣子 |
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那你呢這個是路透社的報導他就說有媒體詢問你說確實你說美國目前沒有向中東轉移武器是跟台灣接觸可是他寫你在立法院裡面跟記者說只有在美方提出要求的情況之下才能重新部署台灣的任何美制武器如果發生這種情況的話運輸責任將由美方承擔那我請問一下這些這個部分跟委員報告這個部分是指已經 |
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我記得這個部分是指我們已經淘汰的這個武器吧淘汰的沒有你可以說明因為我是要問你的所以你可以盡量說明沒有問題你當初的想法是什麼當時在詢問的我記得沒有錯是在講英式飛彈的OK 英式飛彈所以您的意思是說如果有一些中華民國已經淘汰不太需要的武器那如果美方在這個淘汰是到什麼樣的程度就是 |
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就是我們已經汰除啊我們已經汰除的相關的彈藥也好飛彈也好那美方如果有向台灣提出需求那美方在負擔運輸成本的情況之下我們會提供相關所有的費用都會由他來承擔 |
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相關所有的費用所以我整理一次齁您聽看是不是這樣子就是如果美方今天他有需求他中東戰事非常緊張然後我們台灣這裡有一批是可能我們現在已經淘汰的所謂的各種的軍備美方在承擔所有的這個經濟運輸的成本之後我們提供給美國到中東的戰事去做使用您的意思是這樣 |
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我想您剛剛講到什麼到中中戰士去做運用或者等等甚至包括說具體的是哪些武器我只是在說當時記者是在問我們已經汰除的這些狀況我也沒有去能夠真正的證實是什麼樣子的武器系統 |
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你剛剛有講一部分嘛對 我是在說記者是這樣講我沒有辦法去做這樣一個回應我們要扭曲你的發言嘛我覺得說我們就美制的武器他交易給我們之後我們太祖之後美方有任何一個要求我們會配合然後相關的費用由美方來回答那最後一個問題我們要向國人表示 |
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這些問題現在都沒有發生明天變成一個標題說美方已經向我絕對沒有發生這樣的事情我沒有去對你們的這整件事情產生任何的誤解跟扭曲而且這一個重點是這個跟現在發生的美意戰爭 |
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沒有什麼關係不是 委員跟我們一起澄清現在這件事情都是沒有發生是啊 我問的問題是如果人家有問的話嘛那接下來我要詢問的地方是說這個川習會那川習會對中華民國來講比較大家尷尬的就是我們的軍購案那紐約時報指出我們軍購案被推遲是因為怕激怒習近平他們要川習會那顧部長是說會如期進行請問到底哪一方面才是正確的 |
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我已經做過說明了相關的這些還沒有知會國會之前都是屬於機密案件那麼所有的這些有可能這些案項都在美國內部審查當中沒有結果投資有任何這個遲延的一個狀況我只能回答到這個地方因為您問的都是還沒有知會國會那你本來講的是說這個是在如期進行 |
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但是現在告訴我的改成是說因為美方這裡還沒有智慧國會的話那我們不方便評論是這麼說的吧好那但是呢這個比較尷尬的是說川普沒有改變都是這樣子就是第一個我想兩點第一點 |
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沒有智慧國會之前都是屬於機密的第二點有關相關的這些還沒有智慧國會的部分還在美國的內部審議當中時間不夠我聽聽你的意思但是我最後要問一個就因為川普他講說要跟習近平談對台軍售台灣之後才會做決定那這個說法是違反我們的六項保證裡面第二項保證的那我最後想要請卓院長針對這個違反六項保證裡面第二項保證做一些陳述 |
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就是美方跟我們之間的關係跟好謝謝徐巧興委員質詢謝謝左院長相關部會首長備詢謝謝我們下面一位委員質詢之後將會休息10分鐘左院長喝口水吧接下來我們請郭鈺晴委員請質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請院長還有文化部麻煩再請左院長 國防部長備詢國防部長備詢 您文化部還是文化 文化 文化抱歉 文化部備詢對不起 |
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郭文豪院長午安市長午安我想首先要救影視文化我們一直在講到我們要支持台灣的影視文化要支持文化產業但是這幾年當中我們一直不斷的看到影視拍攝的現場發生一些重大的事故從2022年的神仙谷一直到前一陣子在2月初的 |
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豆腐媽媽那每一次的事故呢其實都讓社會非常的震驚那也讓我們正是這些所謂的在影視工作者他們的一個工作的職安的一個狀況那我想要再問的就是說如果我們每一次只是檢討這個個別的一個劇組而不是在調整我們的制度那我們的制度真的有沒有往前走那今天其實我們並沒有要來追究所謂的這個個案的一個責任 |
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那最重要的其實我想要針對這個所謂的制度的這個責任那我想的影視產業的確需要支持但是其實在拍攝的一些場域當中其實它有時候會涉及所謂的高空啦水域啦或者爆破啦甚至一些所謂的武打比較高風險這樣子的一個場景的同時那我想的如果制度沒有辦法去吸收這些風險那接著下來要面臨這些風險的 |
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可能就是壓縮到這個第一線的工作人員他們的一個安全了那只是說制度我們有沒有往前走會不會下一個風險只是還沒出現而已那所以我們來看一下這個數字目前其實我們知道的就是關於所謂的這個協拍的通報大概是1342場那麼實際的外景的一個老減是299場 |
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那這個數字呢是不到四分之一那違反職安的部分呢有177場那外景的罰款呢幾乎在這幾年當中是零那文化部呢有沒有去把所謂的這個補助給追回來那目前數字其實我們好像也都還沒有看到 |
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那我想的這個不是沒有制度而是這個制度到底有沒有這個力道那更重要的是其實我們有74%的這個從業人員的表示他曾經在這個不安的工作環境下工作那包含我自己就曾經碰過在AD轉BD要拍攝的同時在那個光是路程當中我就碰過車禍那我想這個已經不是只有單一個案而已 |
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那多數呢其實我們知道像影視環境的這一環工作者他們所接觸到的有很多並不是正式的所謂的僱傭的關係而很多人他是沒有簽約他就直接上工但是我們現在的這些治安制度是建立在穩定的所謂的僱傭關係上但是在影劇的實際的拍攝的現場 |
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其實並不是這樣運作的所以就變成說其實在我們的這個法律的這個制定或者是我們的指引的一個制定到了現場的時候其實是有相當程度的一個落差啦那當然我們也知道這個文化部我們在2021年的時候其實我們就已經有提出這個三套的指引但是業界給我的回饋是什麼內容寫得很好但是沒有幫助 |
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那換句話來講是不是在這個部分我們可能要再加強或者是說在我們的強制力到底有沒有不夠好那現在呢當然我們知道這個事前通報的一個機制是非常重要的那怎麼樣來避免這個流於形式那我現在就要問了這個高風險的拍攝的定義是什麼是由劇組他自行去上傳風險的一個評估 |
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還是說是由誰來認定的那如果說這個拍攝的現場它是高度的變動我們的風險評估應該怎麼樣來做一個事實的一個調整這是第一個問題那第二個問題就是我們的職安的指引怎麼樣能夠落實到真正的現場那我們剛剛看到那個數字就是三年有177場的一個違規那大多數都只是所謂的通知改善但並沒有真正的所謂的這個裁罰 |
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那現在呢我們又說要來修訂這個指引但是這個問題是指引本來就已經存在啦那如果說我們要來定出所謂的比較具體的一個懲罰或者是罰則的一個門檻那還是我們要停留在所謂的敬意性的一個階段這是第二個問題我先請教一下文化部 |
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跟委員報告大概幾個方向是我們現在做的第一件事是先把這個剛剛我也提到這個所謂的高空或者水下或者水面上作業這個標準建立起來所以我們會有一個飲食安全的工作守則而且呢這個會跟第三方的輔導機制合作包括工協會來介入做輔導來確保說在所有的工作現場大家是明瞭而且受過訓練的也就他不可以當作他不知道因為他在事前就要接受過這個訓練跟了解那第二件事在是提高罰則在過去我們是 |
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一到兩年你不可以再申請現在是兩到三年內你不可以申請而且你不是不能申請該項的補助而已是不能申請所有我們影視局的相關補助所以把整個罰則的力度提高那第三個也非常謝謝委員在的關心也包括我們即將要一起舉辦的這個座談會我們在第一時間其實跟勞動部的職安署其實就有合作那因為通報之後他基本上是採取抽查的方式所以他沒有辦法做到全民性每一案來進入 |
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我們比較希望仍然是建立在環境現場的資歷而不是靠著抽查做事後的零件所以這個職安觀念的落實是我們現在最重要要去完成的部分也是為什麼我會介入第三方的輔導機制希望更全面化的讓工作現場的隱私的從業同仁完全了解到所謂的安全手冊內容跟執行職安安全的必要性只有安全的情況下才有拍攝沒有安全沒有拍攝是現在我們所堅持的原則 |
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好 那既然這個部長也站上來了這個申漢部長那我就來問如果勞動部在我們的這個勞檢的一個結果跟我們的文化部這個地方如果是文化部的這個審查的一個補助補助的一個審查勞動部這個積查的結果跟我們的文化部這個部分我們的部跟部之間有沒有勾結有沒有勾結是 |
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跟委員說明的確在影視業拍片的形態常常是一個他是比較臨時性的甚至有的時候他拍完他這個景就拆了所以你要用一個事後的老簡或傳統老簡的形式其實的確是比較困難會有他蠻多的限制 |
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這也是為什麼現在我們跟文化部在討論其實還是希望能夠透過事前的通報的方式比較能夠掌握但我們的確看到比方說像電影的拍攝裡面它落實的程度會比較高但在電視的時候它其實常常 |
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他的這個腳本是一直在改的所以他通報的狀況也會比較低那像這次豆腐媽媽的狀況其實也是所以我們的確接下來是希望我們包括我們的這個預防指引或者是操作性的手冊都要跟第一線的工作人員我們再確認過他的可行性我想這是最重要的事情第二個我們也會把接下來我們在他在職安上面違法的紀錄我想我們會隨時的跟文化部來勾結 |
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那也希望文化部在審核這個相關的補助案件的時候只要他有殖安的紀錄的違法的話都應該很審慎的來納入考慮這兩邊應該把它給對起來我來提供幾個就是我認為在制度上有一些這個漏洞的部分我們是可以來補足的比方說像黑名單的一個機制如果像是違規的一個劇組我們協拍的單位是不是可以拒絕就是說我不要建立場地 |
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重點是他們這些資訊要非常的透明也就是說要讓跨縣市不管是他們AD跨BD他們在拍攝的同時其實他所有的這個違規的名單是不是也能夠跟地方政府跟地方的單位來做共享這個是一個部分那第二個部分呢就是比方說今天是在A市違規到了B市的拍攝那這個紀錄會不會被掌握還是要重新開始這也是一個問題 |
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我們這名單的公告這件事我們可以做到好然後再來就是我剛剛講的喔與其我們要嚴格的執法還不如說我們要事前精準的掌握我舉個例子來講喔比方說啦現在我們的責任的規範大部分是參考比方說在拍攝現場我們參考的是所謂的營造業那但是呢問題是如果是影視現場所使用的他們是快速要拆卸的這樣子的一個 |
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這個跟所謂的這個建築業營造業是完全不一樣的那到底這個部分我們是怎麼樣來把規要符合現場那這個部分我們是不是可以提前來做這樣子的一個準備也就是說我們在這個準備的部分能不能夠充足的去因應將來他們要拍攝可能會碰到的一些問題我們可以把這些手的納入所謂的安全手冊裡面在他的特殊需求上面把他特殊規格跟特殊規範把它列入 |
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好 這個是第一個問題那今天因為時間的關係第二個問題我想請教的是這個轉型正義的問題謝謝 謝謝盛翰部長好 那我想我們來談一下這個不易移植的一個保存的一個問題那今年這個文化部我們在去年的這個九月也提出了這個不易移植保存的行動策略那我想已經收到了一個相當不錯的一個效果也就是說這是很重要的一個政策的一個指引 |
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那今年呢在這個春節的短短的三天我們的人權款其實在同期喔比之前的同期已經這個人潮成長了大概將近有五倍那也就是說我們民眾跟一般的年輕人其實對於這一段台灣發生過的故事跟歷史他們是有渴望想要知道的喔那在民眾的這個觸及的效益正在擴大的部分那我想請教一下院長跟文化部的這個 |
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我們次長也就是說在文化部我們在推動這一類的這個轉型正義的一個教育或者是我們在地方觀光的一個可能性這兩邊我們有沒有一個計畫整合來做這樣子的一個結合那在很多的重要的一些所謂的公共的一個場域當中那尤其是這個中央的管轄是不是能夠帶頭來設立整個所有的那個標誌包含像台北郵局也好啦 |
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或者是我們的高雄車站啊或者是我們的水上機場等等哦那院長呢是不是能夠促進這個部會之間的一個溝通跟合作來提升整個標示跟這個導覽系統的一個整合的一個效率好謝謝郭委員在政治民主化之後我們設定一個要 |
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消弭過去這種對政治上的不公平所以我們設定了轉型正義的目標那我們都同意我們是暗部就班循序漸進避免引起更多社會上不安的討論但是我們一直朝這個方向在走所以已經完成了一些轉型正義的歷史現場的遺址或是如何我們在事後現在都做一些屬於文化上屬於自由民主上方面的一些 |
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元素把它加進去也讓國人能夠進到這個場域裡面來一方面了解歷史一方面看未來所以我們全國現在42處的不義遺址當中有部分是屬於中央管的20處中央管的當中的14處我們也已經做了一些重要的標示讓國人能夠了解那其他的幾處我們也會盡量把它完成 |
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好 我想轉型正義不是只有在這個課本上的一些冰冷一些文字的一個敘述那最重要的是因為它發生在我們的生活周遭當中其實如果我們在結合觀光或結合交通然後整個所有的一個場域我們都能夠親自去了解當地發生過的一個台灣的一個故事台灣歷史唯有正式歷史我們才能夠真的前進到未來跟委員補充一下觀光這一點其實現在的人就已經在做轉型正義的人權小旅行那目前 |
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已經公告的路線已經有八條那每年也會再推出而且它會跟地方政府跟教育部來進還有跟地方的民間團體進行合作那同時在這個轉型正義的小旅行的部分每年還會再更新有新的路線來出現所以這個部分是有持續在增加的那至於人權管本身其實是有跟學校來合作做校外教學的導覽所以他們在校外人權跟民主教學的時候是會來到人權管進行相關的教育旅行的 |
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好 我想這個跨部會跟這個觀光部或者是我們的交通部跟觀光署其實能夠來更就是緊密的一個合作其實我們就可以把這個所謂的這個不義遺址來串聯成類似像人權旅遊的一個廊道那我覺得這樣子慢慢的從學校開始慢慢的推廣其實大家可能會更有感覺更共感好 那接下來我想請教就是在執行上比較複雜的一個問題我想請教一下這個法務部 |
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法務部部長好我先提喔就是在威權統治的時期其實曾有一些人是擔任所謂的軍法官或者是審判的人員來參與這些所謂的政治案件的一個審判喔但是後來呢又因為遭受到所謂的限制人身的一個自由那 |
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後來依照這個現行的一個制度變成他可以申請補償成功那這樣子的一個情況之下其實出現了一個很特殊也有一點弔詭的一個現象就是說同一個人他可能具備所謂的加害者跟政治受難者兩種同樣的身分我舉個例子來講在威權時期其實判死刑次數名列前茅的一位所謂的軍法官他叫彭國勳 |
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當時他判了死刑的人數是高達181人排名是第二但是他的名字目前也出現在人權紀念碑的名單當中也就是說當我們的部分受難者家屬看到當年判他家屬死刑的那個人審判者跟他的親屬是放在同樣的 |
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名字的排列當中我想這對受難家的家屬來講這有點像是傷口上灑鹽這個情何以堪我想請教一下這個法務部那未來如果在前端我們在辦理所謂的這個國家不法的案件的時候我們怎麼樣針對這個當事人在威權體制當中的角色做清楚的一個標註 |
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跟委員報告那個華為部是依促轉條例的規定有組成一個平復威權統治司機司法部法執行部法的審查會那審查會是就是有申請人有申請就是要他的主張的一個受難的事實來調查證據來做一個平復 |
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那這種評估我們個案這部分我們是著重在受難者的承受司法或行政部法的評估至於加害者的認定這部分以及註記這部分因為目前我們促轉會並沒有 |
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在一個註記有這樣的一個規定那當然如果說一個加害者一個認定的這個認定這部分就像我剛剛所講的所以像這樣子的一個案例是不是應該不予入名不然其實真的我們在檢視所有的這些名單當中其實我們是不是有要從 |
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好 謝謝國務卿委員質詢謝謝主委長跟相關部會首長奔馴 謝謝謝謝羅志強委員還有徐宇峥委員陪同我們一起參加時政質詢非常感謝我們現在休息十分鐘 |
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我們現在繼續開會 接下來我們請徐玉珍委員質詢 黃婕委員請準備謝謝主席 我們請卓院長麻煩請卓院長再次備詢 |
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徐委員好主任長好本席今天想要跟您探討是有關超高齡社會因為我們從去年的12月台灣已經正式的65歲以上的人口突破20%已經進入了超高齡社會那截至 |
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到二月為止我們的65%的人口已經高達470萬了所以這個問題事實上我相信院長也非常的重視尤其是我們在2045年高齡人口可能也會達到35%台灣會成為全球老化速度最快的社會之一所以 |
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當人口結構做這樣的改變的時候事實上城市治理有一個深層的制度的考驗所以我們面對這道高齡化的巨浪我想請教院長我們今天的都市計畫法跟都市計畫審議制度是不是真的準備好讓人民安心老化了院長可以看一下這張表這是我們到二月份的65歲這樣人口 |
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你可以看到大部分的縣市其實都已經達到20%以上了那當然我想在這邊的話也要跟院長報告就是說我們現行的都市計畫制度在面臨超高齡社會的時候至少存在著四個結構性的問題 |
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如果沒有提早調整的話未來恐怕會形成嚴重的社會跟財政的壓力喔第一個就是審議的標準跟人口現實的脫節喔因為目前的都市計畫審議還停留在追求開發強度還有我們的容積率跟土地利用效率的這個救思維那因為城市不斷的擴張竟然不斷的增加但制度上卻缺乏針對 |
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像一些高齡友善比如說高齡步行安全無障礙生活圈以及社區的照顧服務這些指標性的這個系統檢視換言之就是人口結構已經改變了但規劃的思維還是停留在過去以年輕的勞動力人口這樣規劃的一個程式所以當這樣的制度沒有辦法真正反映現在的人口現實就會導致 |
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安養的一個風險那第二點就是有關社會福利的設施看得到用不到就是說現在很多新興的這個重劃區看起來公共設施非常完善圖面上有社福中心有日照據點有很多的活動空間但實際上有可能是因為人行道不連續道路過寬或者是設施的距離過寬甚至有的老人家他要跨到別的行政區才能夠 |
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用到日照服務所以也是顯示在開發過程中缺乏高齡需求的這個規劃的四角那當然這些開發案因為鼓勵他們用這個給他們高額的容積獎勵但是他們也只有提供少量的一個社福的這個設施所以導致公共的回饋跟實際上有明顯的落差第三個當然就是老老照顧跟老人住老宅的問題現在其實很多都是60歲照顧80歲的父母 |
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70歲照顧90歲的父母所以老老照顧也衍生很多的問題然後另外像老宅的問題我們有近六成以上的住宅幾乎現在都沒有電梯所以老人家上下樓的困境事實上也常有發生所以如果我們這都市計畫跟住宅的政策沒有提前導入就是全零住宅這樣的一個概念鼓勵無障礙設施跟社區照顧的整合未來長者 |
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不管是跌倒或失能或照顧的問題也會造成我們的社會跟財政的成本大量的支出那第四個是高齡友善生活支持圈正在瓦解因為大部分長者他的生活範圍大概就是在他的這個住家辦這個周邊的一公里內那這個生活半徑如果缺乏了這個步行可到的社交空間 |
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健康服務或是一個公共的活動據點那長者很容易陷入孤立那國際研究也指出社會孤立不但會影響心理健康也會導致他失能跟醫療的增加所以都市計畫不應該只是土地的配置跟建築的量體的規劃應該升級為生活系統的建構 |
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所以在這邊本席要請教卓院長就是面對現在的這個超高齡的社會行政院是否願意成立一個跨部會的專案小組我相信您非常的重視那有您親自的領軍包括內政部交通部衛福部國發會等等相關的部會我們來啟動一個高齡友善都市計畫的制度改革是否可行 |
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好謝謝委員我們一起來關心台灣進入超高齡社會種種的問題那我們既有的政策就是長照3.0我也知道這個我不再重複另外我們昨天推出了獨居老人這個解釋我們後續作文一部分另外我們也日前推出老宅延壽 |
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除了房屋是老的之外裡面也針對一些長者增加他裡面可能是剛剛委員提到有電梯的一個協助輔導補助他能夠來更新種種另外在這個建築物裡面樓梯降低整個樓梯的高度這個也是對老的一個尊重降低兩公分那就差很多另外在重要的地方要要求增加這個安全的扶手這個都是建築法規可以處理的 |
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另外就是院長剛剛您提到的我知道比如說大概都是這個部分比如說你剛剛講的電梯這個老宅延售事實上我們知道很多地方它有這樣子的一個需求但因為空間不足它可能也沒有辦法即使政府願意補助它也沒有辦法所以看起來都是比較 |
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點部分的一個設施那本期今天要跟您談的就是說是不是可以一個整體的規劃跨部會的因為這個可能剛講這個可能遍布在不同的部會那所以在這邊呢就是本期是希望具體的建議卓院長就是說第一個我有三個建議第一個就是修正都市計劃法將開發案需要納入高齡友善跟全齡共榮的評估的一個機制第二個就是建立高齡友善跟全齡共榮的評估的審議指標將這個 |
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不行生活圈跟照顧設施比例強化社區這個支持網路等等規劃進去真正的以人為本來規劃第三個就是推動全民共榮社區的認證跟獎勵制度以容積獎勵引導民間真正的投入全民住宅的建設那這樣子的一個空間規劃就是不只能預防失能更可以減輕未來的醫療的負擔那院長是不是覺得這樣子的一個方向是不是 |
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可行就是整個跨部會的成立一個專案小組這三點都是重點都需要去了解跟我們未來來解決另外還有跟交通的問題也很多那這個我們會請政委這個政委應該可以請陳時中政委跟陳新德政委雙政委都來了解也來督促各部會先來做剛剛是整個盤點現在已經有的政策如何把它落實未來還要多增加整合在一起我覺得相對的很重要否則對於民眾來說 |
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我因為需要跑這個部會 需要跑那個部會其實我覺得大家沒有辦法好好的整合也希望院長大概多久可以具體的提出這樣的一個時程我們可以在兩個禮拜之內就請政委來討論這個事情讓它形成一個可行未來的方向可行未來的方向到推動大概需要多久的時間我看 |
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請政委來研究之後我們把時程跟委員來做報告那可能 既然我知道院長非常的重視這個超高齡社會的問題我現在一個月以內一定會跟委員講出一個我們現在要做的方式謝謝院長 就一個月之內我想讓我們可以知道說是不是可以這樣子來去推動謝謝院長那另外呢 |
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再請教院長就是說2024年的本席在第一次質詢院長的時候我曾經反映過部長不好意思我下一個問題因為跟國防部有關所以說是謝謝部長就是有質詢過有關國軍對海涉及的木林回饋的相關的一個這個經費的問題那也感謝這個院長那時候交辦之後國防部在去年就已經修正了這個木林要點 |
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那也規定對海涉及的牧林經費回饋應該30%由漁會來規劃執行70%給這個地方的公所那真正的落實海上漁業資源的賦予跟漁業設施的建設但是呢同樣的一個狀況這是國防部那現在中科院也有這樣子一個對海涉及的演訓的部分那他是在屏東九棚基地進行對海演訓的試射飛彈 |
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那光在114年你可以看一下這張統計表它在114年在台東海域基地在屏東它在台東海域進行了27次總共74天的演習74天是什麼概念就是大概有五分之一的時間都在演習 |
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這還不包括可能因為颱風可能因為氣候不佳還有其他的因素他沒辦法還有就是不是魚訊期的時間他沒辦法出海所以呢因為嚴重的而且因為這段這個二十七十四天的演習是禁止漁民進入這個公告的區域喔來進行這個捕撈漁獲的動作所以呢對於這個部分喔其實嚴重影響你可以看一下這個這個範圍喔你可以看到 |
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它所劃設的禁止漁民進入公告海域的部分你看它包含到綠島 蘭嶼幾乎把台東的海域全部都框起來了但是它走不住在基地所在地的屏東屏東在地的公所那對受限制影響最大的台東地區的漁民跟漁業是完全沒有牧林回饋的 |
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這顯然就非常的不合理一樣是對海涉及一樣是限制漁民捕魚但中科院跟國防部的做法是完全不一樣那我想其實基於國家安全我想漁民都很願意配合做這樣子的一個演訓跟國防但是因為捕魚是有季節性的所以說現在我們看到漁民不只要看以前只要看天吃飯現在還要看炮火吃飯就是如果這段時間是有這個炮彈涉及的時間我們是沒有辦法 |
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這個出海捕魚的所以既然國防部已經有修正了這個牧林要點是不是能夠要求中科院也比照國防部辦理那依據這個中科院的牧林經費的這個要點同樣將30%的費用撥由漁會來規劃不要讓就同樣支持國防的漁民有這個因為演訓單位的不同而有差別的待遇部長現狀先說明我想 |
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可能委員關切的是我們就募領的那個費用部分是不是要交給漁會的這個部分那我的印象沒有錯的話應該是說要看這個 |
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它是不是屬於那個有涉及到基地所在地是嗎對對對但我要跟您看過去確實國防部的部分是這樣它是依基地所在地那因為事實上這個案子比較特殊是因為國防部的都是對海涉及是近距離的它這個是對高空的砲彈涉及所以它為什麼明明在屏東它框起來的海域是在台東就是因為它是對高空的砲彈涉及 |
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所以說他把台東的海域也都框起來那這段時間這個台東的漁民是沒有辦法到這個地方去捕魚的那但是因為我就說單位的不同如果依照國防部的這個目的要點的話是可以由這個已經修正為就是百分之三十給漁會去規劃執行百分之七十給在地的公所可是呢中科院目前不是目前是受損的反而是憑台東的漁民台東地區的漁會 |
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台東地區的漁民可是它是補助的是只有給屏東的這個在地的公所這個我想我們可能需要研究一下也就是說委員所關切的是可能在九孔河要打的可能很多都是遠距的這個要不然它不用荒了台東這麼大的一個海域嗎是不是要看它這個 |
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所以在這邊我要請教的就是說請市院長就是說這個部分是不是能夠請中科院也比照國防部的這個目的要點來做我們下去就這個部分我們來做個研討然後來跟委員做回覆院長您覺得您剛剛這樣聽起來您覺得這樣公平嗎 |
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國軍必要的演練各種的操演我想感謝國人也非常的支持但難免有一些對人民這個生活不便的地方所以我們盡量要減少但一旦有發生這種無論是生活或是他的魚捕魚的過程產生了損害那國防部已經有一套對農會 漁會以及地方 |
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公所的一套標準那一個國家應該一個標準一國應該一個標準我希望國防部我們跟中科院來協調一下在經費相同寬容的一個狀況底下能不能採取這樣同一個標準我們來協調謝謝謝謝院長然後另外就是剛剛也提到就是說他去年的這個對海涉及的時間就高達74天大概有五分之一所以是不是也是能夠請中科院跟國防部 |
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盡量避免在餘孫期的時候去做這樣的演習當然如果一定必要的那沒話講盡量避開這個部分我們都有持續在檢討有跟這個來溝通就是說避免掉這個他們重要的餘孫的期間這樣子 |
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那過後有些時候有時候為了我們需要的那當然沒話講但是進軍備戰的需要有時候所以說就是剛剛講的就是盡量避免要不然剛剛講到的是光去年就已經五分之一的時間是在這個禁止他們去捕魚 |
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那第三個就是剛剛提到就是說剛剛講的就是我們禁止海域剛剛講九鵬基地在屏東但禁止海域在台東那希望台東的漁 |
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台中地區的漁會也可以得到相同的牧林回饋來解決這個不公平剛剛是院長已經有我們下去來即刻進行研議像剛剛院長已經有指示了一個國家應該一個做法那在這邊也感謝院長願意明快的處置我們也希望能夠盡快的來處理請問一下部長大概需要多久的時間 |
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給我差不多三個禮拜吧好謝謝謝謝部長好謝謝然後另外再請教院長有關能源相關的問題因為我想這幾天大家都非常關心的其實就是我們這個天然氣進口問題因為伊朗戰爭的關係那導致我們的天然氣現在沒有辦法這個能夠這個因為封鎖荷姆之海峽沒有辦法進來那尤其我們99%的天然氣都是靠進口 |
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那用在發電上面又高達八成所以天然氣一旦中斷不是沒有瓦斯的問題而已而是缺電的問題那當然我們現在看到的就是我們的安全存量因為只有11天那現在因為其實從伊朗封鎖荷姆在海峽到現在已經21天大概已經三週的時間了所以呢對台灣的衝擊其實相當巨大那當然就供應面來說的話我想 |
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經濟部也有提過就是說我們3月的有釣到了大概12艘船嘛4月份有釣到大概10艘船那請問5月份現在有釣到幾艘船呢 |
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我跟委員報告一下現在5月份我們需要14艘船那現在已經掉到10艘船所以345到現在應該已經掉了32艘船了嘛那因為我們知道就是說因為現在有針對這個因為供需緊繃跟地緣政治的一個風險的關係現貨的LNG的價格可能會比我們長約多30%到100% |
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那現在您調到的這32部的這個LNG船的話每一部我想請教一下就是實際增加的成本會是多少這個我們可能還要再精算一下 |
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那我記得之前我有聽到這個拱部長因為他今天沒有來他是說8到10億嘛對差不多這個數字8到10億嘛或許會越來越偏高對因為現在的整個局勢看起來好像戰爭沒有要結束的感覺那因為這樣子的話總共目前掉了32艘嘛那大概8到10億也大概會增加將近300億喔那院長剛剛也提到的就是這個狀況也有可能價格會越來越高 |
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然後我們的因為隨著戰爭的時間拉長需求也會可能越來越緊繃所以針對這個部分的話就是說我們現在現貨採購增加的成本是不是會全數轉嫁到台電 |
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還是由中油吸收首先跟你們報告三四包括五月已經調到了十燒大概這個價格我們都已經談定就是五月還少那個四燒我們還在現貨市場上去講那這個價格或許會有一點浮動那所有現在我們每週的這個包括汽油也好包括天然氣也好都是由中油來做高大幅度的吸收那因為 |
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LNG是要提供給台電的發電用的我們也希望台電跟中油能夠有一個當中他們的折算不要把負擔都給中油因為中油資本額才1000多億啊那剛剛踢到光這樣子就已經有300億了那我想這樣對中油來說也是沉重的負擔我們正請經濟部去協調讓中油台電也讓台電來做一點吸收為什麼我會問這題呢就是因為接下來4月就要這個有電價的這個是不是要調漲的問題嗎 |
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所以這個部分如果台電已經有編列了吸收的空間有可能會反映在四月份的電價那我知道這幾天有很多的委員請教院長我們的電價到底會不會動漲 |
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那院長您的答覆標準答案就是電價審議委員會不過電價審議委員會都跟我們生活在同一個空間感受到同樣的壓力但是我覺得院長你在這邊可以大方的說絕對不會動漲我覺得你可以大方說為什麼你知道我分析給你聽因為我們的這個電價審議委員會預計在3月27號開會那我們在3月份的天然氣採購假期在2月底就已經訂定了 |
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那這個我們這個伊朗開展是2月28所以那時候還沒有這個問題所以說目前啊這個4月份的這個燃料的這個燃氣的價格中油會到3月31才公告也就是電價審議委員會他們在3月27開會拿到的資料會是原來就的這個資料所以他根本就沒有辦法看到反應之後的成本的一個價格所以依據 |
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現有的這個價格的話我想是應該不會調整電價才對是嗎 院長 |
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我還是要尊重電價審議委員會否則明天就說正式的零價專業不是 院長我剛剛的分析你覺得有沒有道理就是說它根本手上的資料就是舊的資料不會 我跟你講在討論的時候對 它不可能就是拿著舊的資料還沒有漲價前的資料告訴你要漲價 對不對我們應該在討論的時候台電所以我才說您可以大方的告訴國人四月份的電價不會動漲 |
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電價審議委員會他手上的資料看起來是不可能有這個漲價的問題嘛我是很大方啦但是不能這麼大方啦我要尊重專業但是我剛剛跟你分析的有沒有道理我們在跟電價討論審議委員會提供的資料一定會最接近事實的而且不是現在這一點是未來半年的預估都會放進去那你現在的狀況就是我剛剛講的嘛就是你是不是三月我想請教一下次長是不是三月三十一這個中油 |
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才會公告這四月份的燃氣價格對因為每個月每個月三月二十七就開會了所以說我剛才跟院長講其實您可以大方的告訴全體的國人因為穩定物價所以我們在接下來我們四月份電價一定會動漲是不是這樣院長 |
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我不能這樣來不然一定說政治凌駕專業但是我們都相信審議委員跟我們在一起生活在這裡以感受國際局勢所以院長的答案其實也告訴我們其實我想四月份大概動漲電價是沒有問題的另外再請教我們以民生安定民生物價穩定安定為最大的原則好 謝謝院長那我們再看到下一個部分這個是在我們可以看到就是有兩個新聞稿 |
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院長可以看到喔上面這篇新聞稿喔是2022年2月25號在這個俄烏戰爭的時候下面這個新聞稿是我們2026年3月2號東洋市經濟部發的新聞稿你有沒有覺得其實都很像就是告訴我們說我們會有儲備充足的安全能量同時採多元來源跟長約採購還有呢我們的這個能量供應充足大家不用擔心 |
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都是這樣嗎這證明政府的政策是穩定的感覺上就是一樣的新聞稿只是日期不一樣為什麼會這樣問呢是因為在惡霧戰爭的時候當時的經濟部長王美花說我們的能源供應充足所以不會漲電價但是一年後台電虧損了五千億到現在都還在虧損 |
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到目前為止都還有3500億還沒有補足所以我為什麼要這樣問就是因為現在因為針對剛剛提到的這些問題事實上天然氣供應中斷不同的時間會有不同的問題剛剛講我們已經大概已經三週了接下來你們怎麼針對30天或是60天或是90天不同的情境然後成立跨部會的評估然後對於我們台灣的衝擊有多大 |
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物價我們在物價穩定小組是持續開會另外經濟部交通部他們各自有成立一個緊急應變的小組去因應現在每天發生的一個狀況而且每天兩天每週都會進行追蹤的討論 |
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那在這樣子的一個狀況之下就是台灣電力系統會出現多大的發電缺口那政府已經評估好是不是有需要啟動分區限電的機制還有在電力的調度上產業用電跟民生用電要如何分配是不是可能啟動產業限電用電配給然後緊急調這個調度高成本的備用電源 |
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三四五六月應該沒有這個狀況請部長詳細說明跟委員報告我們現在供電供氣都是很穩定的而且目前這個能源的這個調度其實到四月底都沒有問題所以也不會影響到這個供電的這個問題 |
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那就是成本增加而已就對了因為剛剛講的就是成本增加但是現在的問題就在於說我們因為沒有積載電力因為核能的關係那當然現在已經有說要重啟這個核電那也請教一下就是說我們核三廠的自主安全檢查看起來大概上次有提到說大概1到1.5年的時間那目前的進度也是這樣嗎 |
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跟我們報告原來的時程還是不變的如果按照目前來講就是三月底之前台電會提出自主 |
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就是債預款的計畫同時在做自主安全的檢查那自主安全的檢查按照推估的時間大概1.5年到2年的這樣的一個時間那另外就是說目前台電公司他也跟西屋公司也簽訂了一個合約那如果照這樣講的話我們有沒有辦法加速自主安全檢查的時間 |
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因為事實上這個對我們來說這個缺電因為戰爭到現在還沒結束會不會有缺電的危機呢事實上我們很難預估那當然我們希望說趕快重啟核電因為這樣的機載電力讓我們能夠有比較穩定而且便宜的電力可以使用那所以相對來說現在算是緊急狀況所以是不是可以縮短這個我們自主安全檢查的時間 |
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這個自主安全檢查的部分我們是有按照這個步驟來做我知道步驟但是同樣的嘛一天工作8小時跟一天工作12個小時跟一天工作12個小時那個速度會不一樣那緊急狀況之下是不是應該要這個加速這樣子的一個狀況我想我們會轉達請台電這邊就是來加速做這個自主安全檢查但是還是要 |
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按照這樣的一個步驟當然安全性我們都支持但是事實上現在也算是一個這個非常時期緊急狀況所以像這樣的一個狀況的話那請問一下就是說核三廠一二號的機組最快什麼時候可以這個併完供電我遇到按照我們這樣的時程的規劃在二零二八年年底左右 |
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2028年年底那這樣就是兩年多的時間因為可能還會有一些變數啦因為其實我們核三說實在才剛除役嘛去年的五月時期才除役所以這個部分其實我覺得如果政府真的有決心啦要重啟核電的話其實一定會把這個時程可以加快而不是說這個我們照這樣的慢慢一步一步推讓人家會懷疑到底政府有沒有決心要重啟核電 |
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是我們會加速但是就是說它裡面還要牽涉到設備有沒有老化的現象我請教院長針對這個部分政府到底有沒有決心要重啟核電是不是可以加快這樣的速度政府是依照核管法修訂之後才有這個權利去啟動是不是要再重啟剛剛次長說的經濟部以及台電對於時程的設計他是認為說 |
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一定要是在這個安全的時間當中進行所有的程序那如果當中在自主安全檢查裡面對於老化設備能夠不做很繁複的而且不需要跟動大量的設備那時程當然可以有彈性是不是院長可以請我們相關的單位能夠去研擬如何加快這樣子的一個速度我們第一要求的是安全第二個要求才是效率 |
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第三個要求也是希望社會能夠有共識那因為我們知道現在事實上AI的發展的話全世界都在搶這種穩定又便宜的電力所以我們要爭取AI的產業來到台灣投資事實上這樣一個穩定便宜的機載電力提供給他們讓他們無缺電的問題才能夠真的吸引到這些AI的產業來到台灣投資所以請院長這個部分要好好的再來督導我們相關的單位 |
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好好的對於重啟這個核電的部分能夠加速研議進行喔院長是不是可行是在核管法這樣修法之後提供了一個多項一個多一項的選項那這項選項我們要滿足所有條件之後我們希望他能夠讓我們本來就不是發電供電有匯餘之餘的這個狀況底下我們更有充分的餘裕加速他的速度讓我們的這個沒有缺電的這樣子的一個風險跟危機好嗎是好謝謝 |
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院長然後最後一個問題我想請教您就是有關喔這是我們您看一下這個表這是我們在2022年到2026年的這個我們的志願役預算原額的一個統計喔您可以看到我花了一點時間做這樣的一個統計喔那我們可以看到2026年的志願役原額與2023年相比少了17439人 |
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那我們現在呢因為還要這個通過1.25兆的就是你們提出的1.25兆的這個國防特別預算喔那相較於國防特別預算我們的國軍基層人力招募很困難那尤其是你可以看到喔我們尤其是像下士他是真正要帶兵打仗的還有像上等兵 |
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他是真正能夠熟悉操作武器的人就少了一萬三千多人所以我們可以看到國防支出的增加就是並沒有真正轉化為人力結構的改善所以讓很多的年輕人他根本不願意來擔任我們的軍人因為他到別的地方去去科技業 工程業 服務業他們的啟興跟發展都會優於軍職所以他們還要承擔這種高度的機率長時間的勤務跟潛在的戰爭風險 |
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所以很多年輕人說我還不如去跑Uber那還比我當軍人強就缺乏那種待遇跟職業發展的一個競爭性所以說請院長看一下就是說在這個部分我們是不是 |
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針對我們的這個軍人軍人的待遇的部分能夠有一個通盤的減少尤其是我們在這個過去的10年這個基本工資漲了40%然後呢我們的這個軍人漲幅只有14%事實上呢讓我們很多的軍人都覺得我還是提早離役不要有這樣子的這個跟委員報告我想剛剛那個預算銀行的這樣用預算 |
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謝謝現在感覺像開機密會議一樣根本聽不到你們在講什麼好不好因為時間的關係實在是沒辦法好不好謝謝徐委員那把徐委員要的資料請國防部送一份給徐委員好嗎好謝謝好謝謝徐宇貞委員謝謝卓院長香港部會所長悲尋接下來我們本日最後一位委員質詢請黃婕維請質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請院長麻煩再請左院長備詢那也同時請那個勞動部跟人事總署麻煩請勞動部找人事總署備詢方偉豪 |
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好 院長好首先我要先跟您請教一下最近其實我們勞動部做了蠻好的政策就是我自己也有提案就育嬰留庭的如果是雙親如果是都有請到六個月的話可以各加碼一個月那我覺得這是非常好的政策因為現在有很多爸媽其實都希望說我們政府可以當雙親的後盾那來替他們解憂那也希望說這個育兒環境可以更友善 |
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但是呢除了雙清覺得說除了時間大家也希望錢也要增加所以我在這邊先請教院長一個問題知不知道我們現在育嬰柳亭如果他是月薪五萬塊的勞工那他請假的話一個月可以拿多少育嬰柳亭的補貼 |
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如果是因為現在投保薪資是四五八零零所以他最高用四五八零零那如果算四五八零零的八成的話三六六四零沒錯那如果一個月月薪十萬的勞工他可以拿多少的育嬰留庭的補貼呢 |
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也是36640沒錯所以這個就是很多人不敢請的原因因為你無論薪資是多少你月薪五萬月薪十萬大家最多就是只能拿36640 |
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那所以這個就是我想要在這邊幫很多雙親的家庭來請益喔因為其實勞動部也是希望說如果是家裡的男性多願意請的話也很好可是就現在的薪資結構比確實雙親裡面男性願意請的比例偏低因為通常他們的薪資偏高這也是過去我們一直在談性別不平等一個很希望可以去改變的結構嘛 |
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可是呢以目前的結構來說因為男性的薪資比較高所以呢他們通常要去請的成本比較高那他們也比較不願意請因為再怎麼樣我的薪資再怎麼高不好意思一個月最多就是36640當然我覺得這個已經是政府很大的善意也很努力想要鼓勵這些雙親都去平均的請完 |
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但是這個比例一直拉不上來我認為跟今天的這個金額太低有一點關係所以我很希望的是有沒有機會一個方式就是說我們來檢討這個投保薪資的急劇上限打開天花板跟黃委員說明因為確實現在就業保險的這個投保薪資上限他是跟勞保連動的 |
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那我認為我們可以來研議那我自己願意來研議比方說如果在舊保的投保薪資的上限那是不是來跟老保的狀況也許有一個這個脫鉤的狀況我覺得這部分我想我們來評估一下這件事情的可行性但的確投保薪資上限也會連動到因為這個投保薪資上限也會跟失業的給付有關 |
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因為在舊保裡面他同時會有運流停電給付跟失業給付那所以也會需要去拿捏他跟失業給付之間的橫頻好 謝謝部長的說明這也是我擔心的情況因為投保集聚其實牽涉的層面比較廣那另外一種方式就是我們再額外來增加一些津貼這也是一種方式就是直接脫鉤我們就是如果願意請的我們再給他怎麼樣的讓他有誘因 |
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去願意去拿這個津貼願意去請育嬰留庭我的目標是這樣我相信這樣才會照顧到更多的勞工以上建議給部長參考那另外一部分公務員這個可以幫我看一下這個投影片因為公務員的情況又更嚴重了 |
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就是因為他其實是只能拿本縫的八成如果公務員要請獄醫留庭的話他最多可以拿多少呢不知道我們人事總署來看一下這個假設我這邊舉一個例子這個是漸任期只等本縫三級為例他的本縫是三萬三千多然後專業家級是兩萬六千多雖然他的全薪有六萬以上可是最後他拿到的津貼人事總署知道是多少嗎 |
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多少 兩萬七左右 沒錯兩萬七也就是雖然看起來薪資有六萬但是你說給他八成其實是只有本縫的八成也就是他最後拿到的不到他薪資的一半那所以呢其實很多公務員你說他真的敢請嗎 他不敢請 |
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那這就是我認為現在我們這個雖然政府的美意很好但是實質上對勞工對公務員他們都請不下去啊那這個就是我想要在這邊請教院長是不是我們可以有一些更多的方案更多元的方案讓這個美意是可以有效果的呢 |
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謝謝委員這樣的一個方向的提醒其實一個新的制度從零到有第一步就是這樣踏出來那就像金字塔慢慢往上堆疊未來還考量到國家整體財務的結構財務的負擔以及 |
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實施之後各方的反應這個需求不管是公務員不管是勞工男性女性的需求我們會再做一個評估跟分析那為了鼓勵更多達到這個政策本來的用意那可以往更正面的方向來做研討 |
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我想要補充其實剛才講的確因為男性的薪資目前平均是比較高可是在新制也就是可以以日請之後那男性申請的比例確實也大幅的提高將近五成對不對現在已經到四成五我認為接下來可能會更高甚至會接近一半一半對所以我們也是用各種的方式用各種的條件希望能夠讓這個男性請的比例也可以再拉高 |
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好謝謝部長的補充我也認為像這樣子彈性多元的做法越多越好讓大家就是你適合什麼樣方案你就是你想要什麼樣的條件我們都盡量給大家讓大家用最大的方便可以去願意請這個育嬰留庭好這是以上我的建議那可以先請我們勞動部長跟人事總處處長先請回那再也請那個教育部長 |
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我要講一下這個專任輔導教師權益的事情那首先要先感謝院長啦因為其實我們去年年底有調升教師費的導師費終點費那也有行政的獎金對這個其實大家都很肯定但是呢有一些人很肯定有一些人就覺得啊那我呢 |
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所以我在這邊還要再幫一群目前沒有被照顧到的老師來幫他們爭取權益也就是這些專任的輔導教師那我手上這邊可以看一下這個投影片這個是有一些老師來跟我澄清他們是台中的老師那他們有一個輔導教師的工作規範裡面是怎麼規定的呢他說 |
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每個專任輔導教師每學期國小最少要160人次國中要到180人次那這個是他們按量的樓地板但是沒有天花板也就是說我們要求輔導老師是說你最少要做到這些但是沒有告訴他們說那如果我們做超過了我們多做多照顧學生的怎麼辦沒有人照顧我們沒有人鼓勵我們 |
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所以我在這邊是想要幫他們來請櫻拜託這個部長我們有沒有可以更多的方式鼓勵說如果他們真的多做了可以讓他們有一些補償補貼或者是說我們乾脆設定一個天花板讓他知道說你最多的開案量也不會超過這樣的這樣的數的案量的上限讓他們可以保持在一定的品質呢 |
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謝謝委員關心我們專任輔導老師的一些工作上的一些權益那我想專任輔導老師他的一個職務跟我們一般學校裡邊的這些學科老師他的職務是當然不一樣 禁用的資格也不同 |
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至於各縣以台中肝癌委員所提的我想這個我們可以來請專業的心理諮商輔導的團體我們來討論看怎麼樣的適當的工作量倒是委員關係那麼全於我們事實上在這個偏鄉教育的條例裡邊事實上九任獎金 |
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專任輔導老師跟社工師是有比照辦理在終點會這一個部分我想他也許可以從那個角度來考慮但是我們整體來看我還是要跟人事總處我們再來討論但是屬於剛才委員所關心的說那個工作量本來助人的工作事實上有時候還真的很難拿捏 |
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跟一個學生的一個誤談可能一個小時要連續十次有的可能兩次他就結束所以在這個部分我們怎麼樣討論出一個適度的一個工作量然後不要讓這個心理或者這個專業輔導師過勞我覺得這個 |
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產生burn out我想這都不是我們所樂見的所以在這邊拜託部長我也在這邊反映一個事情因為我很想知道說現在我們的專業輔導教師到底平均的開案量是多少就是大家的loading到底多重但是教育部沒有這個數字沒有 |
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代表你們完全沒有統計過到底我們輔導教師平常要接多少的案量你們只有告訴他們樓地板啊但是有的是在人口很密集的地方那些輔導老師平常的案量可能非常大你們都不知道 |
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是 我想各個縣市各個學校的一個情況確實會差異蠻大的所以第一個我想拜託部長你們先回去統計是輔導老師大家的平常的按量大概是落在什麼樣的數字那第二個就是要不要來訂按量的上限確保這一些按量比的品質因為現在其實只有師班比沒有按量比就是每個老師到底平均loading可以到多重是一個好的工作量 |
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你們都不知道這個是我要這邊回去拜託的我想這是一個很專業的一個議題因為每一次談的一個品質到底能不能發揮專業的一個效益 |
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我想這裡邊的一個問題不是只是時間量上的一個問題但是我願意這個委員所提的我們會後之後我們來跟專業團體來做一個更深入的討論好 謝謝部長 也要拜託如果可以的話我們也給福島老師一點職務加給吧 |
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拜託因為其實我們特教老師也有職務加薪導師也有導師費的增加那現在就是輔導老師沒有教育部在許多的一些勞動工作權益上的一個報酬 |
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它是一個最低的標準但是國民教育基本上是來自於地方自治的一個前線各地方縣市政府的一個前則如果它有一個自籌財源它願意基於攬財 留財給予一個適度的加碼其實評論從教育部的立場我們是樂觀其成的 |
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我們中央有經費也要表達這樣的誠意好不好我想也跟我們報告事實上像這次的導師會或者工作事實上都是院長特別指示我們充分瞭解剛剛文說導師還有行政人員的各種 |
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這麼多年來都沒有辦法把它做一個合理調整的時候我們就立刻決定要來處理所以剛剛提到的這個輔導老師的部分也請教育部來好好的分析過程怎麼樣我們會來做一個更合理的決定 |
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好謝謝那我們教育部長可以先請回最後我要請教一下因為其實昨天央行有提到說這個要來放寬大家購屋第二戶的貸款的成數從五成提高到了六成 |
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那我認為這個受益最多的當然是換屋組啦有一部分的換屋組可能壓力可以減輕一點了對所以呢大家其實社會上有在討論的就是說為什麼是在這個時候來進行放寬然後放寬了一成呢可不可以先請院長講一下說我們接下來的一些想法 |
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那我會這樣問是因為其實我們新清安的期限也快要落日了嘛就是到今年的7月所以我在這邊也想要一併的請教因為其實很多人都在問會不會有新清安2.0那如果有的話長什麼樣子我先講一下說這其實最近報導非常多大家眾說紛紜這個是新聞上寫的但是是不是真的不知道我要來這邊請院長 |
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部長來證實我們新青安2.0的方向長什麼樣子是真的要改成是首次購置自有住宅才可以嗎還是說5年的寬限期是要延縮到3年了嗎還有有一些利息的補貼是不是要取消了甚至有所謂的這個什麼80條款就是借款人的年齡加上貸款的年限不能超過80年 |
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請問以上四點是你們的方向嗎如果是的話可不可以跟大家報告一下首先這個央行就第七波的管制昨天是因為開理事會所以他們在會議當中做了這樣的微調這是先說明等一下總裁可以再說明至於新千安他真的到了我們必須要面對是不是要如何延續的這個問題的時間點但是你剛剛所提到這些都是在討論過程當中沒有沒有一次性一個 |
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一個專案這樣提出來報告過我們最近會擇時間聽取財政部跟其他金融單位的共同的意見可不可以告訴大家我以上這些社會上眾說紛紜的方向可以給我們一個證實或者是方向是不是如這樣大家所說的方向去呢 |
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這個眾說不要再分雲了我們盡量所以我請你們來這邊澄清嘛到六七月的時候他就到齊了我們會在那個時間點之間盡量提早讓所有的市場以及相關的人能夠來適應未來一個制度但是我敢說過去新興安的內容我們一定必須要做適度的微調這個是整個市場在過去一直改變之後給我們的一個最好的一個方向感 |
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好謝謝院長那我們總裁部長要不要補充說明是跟委員報告就是說我們昨天針對這個 |
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那還有更多他要辦的事那還有呢他現在的一個主席我們接著那各位的報告我先講完 |
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好 謝謝黃婕委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝部委員會 我們本日排定質詢的委員已經質詢完畢謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長 以及各位列席國務院 各位部會首長列席答詢3月24號星期二 上午9點繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢再次感謝羅志強委員 感謝徐宇貞委員陪同我們一起參與今天的質詢 現在休息 |