| IVOD_ID |
17278 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17278 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T08:36:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T13:10:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:33:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db8c1e201b3fb6835a696f162c81ae2c09157d0edf07c12ea6b96b4869bc7a6bd05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:36:50 - 13:10:00 |
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好 立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第三次權力委員會 今天的議程是農業部部長報告業務狀況並備詢好 請組密報告出席人數 |
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法務委員會初期委員12人已足法定人數好初期委員12人已達法定人數我們現在開會首先進行報告事項請宣讀上市會議事錄立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第二次全體委員會議事錄時間115年3月16日星期一9時至12時12分地點紅樓101會議室初期委員邱毅英等14人內席委員賴世保等11人內席人員國家發展委員會主任委員葉俊賢等主席 |
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邱召集委員自委 報告事項一 宣讀上次會議事錄 決定 確定二 邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況 並備質詢國家發展委員會主任委員葉俊賢報告後委員邱盈盈等17人提出質詢 均由國家發展委員會主任委員葉俊賢等即席答覆決定一 登記發言委員除不在場者外 其餘均與發言完畢 訊臺結束二 委員徐欣盈及羅志強所提書面質詢列入紀錄 刊登公報 |
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3.書面質詢和未及答覆部分 請相關單位於週內以書面答覆並附資本會委員另有要求期限者從其鎖定 散會 宣讀完畢好 現在在場委員人數還不夠 一時錄我們再不處理現在繼續進行報告事項 請宣讀邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概括 並備質詢 宣讀完畢好 報告委員會本日議程排定農業部的業務報告好 現在請農業部陳俊基部長報告 |
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主席各位委員大家好我想今天由農業部來做進行業務報告首先還是感謝所有的委員過去支持我們農業的整個的發展也關心我們農業的議題那以上業務報告我想用簡報的方式跟各位說明 |
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整體來看去年其實是一個變動的一年那除了年初的這些寒害以外那從七月份連續的這些災害包括颱風包括豪雨然後到了九月花膠災風造成馬太安的一個災害到十月的肥肉豬瘟那顯現整個的一個變動中那農業部的一個責任就是在這個變動中讓農民能夠穩定的持續的一個生產那 |
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2015年的部分我想在穩定中我們更要求得更好的一個先機能夠追求再度的一個要求所以以下我僅就整個的一個過去一年來針對怎麼樣協助農民做天然災害的一個協助還有針對基礎建設還有生產的韌性以及農民的福利跟農村的安心跟環境的永續做一個報告 |
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在去年的颱風我們統計我們大概天然現金救助大概花了94億左右那我們除了天然災害救助以外我們也啟動了產業的輔導以及金融的一個支持來協助農民渡過難關那除了這樣的一個 |
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當下的一個作為以外我們也檢討了整個天然災害救助的相關的一個包括程序包括主動公告的品項以及我們委員所關切的我們也持續用天然災害的一個參數來進行相關的一個一個勘測的一個快速的情形同時也導入一些項目的額度的一個調整特別針對一年收的這些長期作務我們也增訂了一些額外的一個救助 |
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那在馬太安事件發生以後那我們從去年年底開始針對源頭的降蛙那現在目前的蓄水量大概只剩下2.6萬公那個2.6萬噸但是因為 |
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映射壺上游的兩端還有非常多的土石那我們必須隨時更密切的監控這些土石是不是會崩下來造成第二次的映射壺所以我們持續用衛星影像航空拍攝及無人機拍攝跟去監控它的地洞來確保它的一個現況 |
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那在馬灘發生的當下其實農業部也啟動了一站式的服務的窗口那也同時成立了農業救助協助的一個小組做相關的一個限地的一個服務那在災後也是我們在今年最重要的一個目標就是針對這些受災的這些被土石淹沒的農田那農田總共有774公頃那其實跟農業部有關的 |
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大概分為兩個區域一個是一般區一般區就是土淹50公分以下的一般區域我們會由我們的花蓮改良場成立的一個團隊來協助農民做相關的一個土地的一個方根跟協助那至於中在區就是那個淹沒超過50公分以上無法立即的去做一些清除的部分我們規劃就是由架構的方式或是由林保署這邊協助一些造林獎業的方式來處理 |
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那在非洲豬瘟的部分其實在去年10月發生以後我們就立即啟動高高強度的一個防疫的作為跟精準的圍堵圍堵那我們很高興就是能夠就是除了案發 |
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內力以外並沒有發生任何利益 同時我們在2月21號也向WHO遞交了非洲豬瘟自我聲明非疫區的一個申請文件那希望說能夠盡快的訪問非洲豬瘟非疫區的一個國家那同時 |
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我們也啟動了整個的一個租資的一個價格的穩定的部分包括協調豬農有次序的出租然後共同運銷的一個獎勵機等任場職工動存的方式讓我們的租價能夠在過去這幾個月來能夠維持相當的一個平穩大概在80多塊之間 |
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那除了整個的當下的一個天然災害應變以外我們也持續的針對農業的基礎建設那水資源的建設是一個非常重要的那在3月13號我們正式在左幹線北岸線的川階工程正式的一個通水那它是50年來最大的水利的一個工程 |
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這樣的統水可以每年增加大概7000萬噸的彈性運用水的部分此外我們也持續的擴大我們灌溪的服務就是增加了一個蓄水的空間大概10萬公噸然後也增加了一些非灌溪的管路灌溉設施的一個協助等於特殼面積達到將近超過2000公頃 |
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然後在於波地的防災的部分我們持續精進大規模的崩塌跟土石流的一個監測的一個技術透過AI的導入智慧防災的一個導入那同時我們針對相關的流域裡面我們也興建了相關的一個蓄水設施跟蓄水池然後提供相關的一個滯洪的一個空間 |
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在生產面部分去年一個非常重要的就是糧食產業升級的方案那這個升級的方案不只是照顧我們稻農也照顧我們種植旱作的這些雜糧的這些農民那整體來看整個稻作面積維持到我們預期的23到24萬公頃左右那透過我們有系統的規劃跟推動 |
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那整個稻作面積減少6000公頃達到我們理想的一個平衡那同時加入稻作的一個極端產區那整體的糧食的這些繳交公糧的農民或者是轉漢做的農民他平均的收益可以增加1.5萬到4.6萬之間 |
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那在漁業部分我們除了針對黑尾魚的漁撈我們做了一個有效的一個管理措施然後同時在太平洋鮪魚上面我們也提供了去篩的獎勵那同時也輔導了次網的一個轉型 |
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那在基礎建設方面我們持續的針對養殖區的排水供水以及碼頭跟防波堤的一個改善我們也持續進行相關的一個改善期待就是不管是我們的養殖漁業或是我們的捕撈漁業都能有好的一個基礎建設 |
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1920.79 |
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那在群內的部分那今年度去年的統計從1月到12月的統計我們群乳感發生高病人群乳感的案例當23場他是近5年來最低的部分然後根據最新的從去年這一期的群乳感防疫是從去年的9月到目前為止是發生了16場那整個場數有更精進的一個結果 |
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1922.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1947.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那顯示我們生活安全的防範已經逐步的落實在我們的序群就是群內的養殖戶裡面那我們會持續精進相關的生活安全的作為然後同時也協助他們去改善他們的一個群社的一個設施那在牛隻的部分我們今年開始會由乳牛的死亡保險由自願性改為強制性的納保 |
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1948.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1966.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那透過這樣強制經營納保能夠有效的掌握我們的牛隻的投訴然後有利於我們後續的產交調節那同時我們也進行生乳總量的一個管制那我們也更重要的是我們也建立了相關的台灣鮮乳的一個品牌區隔那 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1967.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1992.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
在專業上面其實是一個非常重要的一個對農民協助的一個支柱那去年我們推動了公職獸醫師不開業獎金那以外我們也更完善了整個植物醫療的一個體系那在化學農藥十年減半風險十年減半的部分那我們預估在116年整體的農藥的風險值大概可以降為基期的57%那我們預期在117年不足的話可以達成我們的一個目標 |
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1996.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2015.291 |
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那這個目標達成最主要的原因就是我們淘汰了高風險的農藥讓它退場那這個退場目前大概已經退了大概73%左右那同時我們也建立讓農民建立正確的用藥的一個習慣就是建立了相關的IPM的一個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2017.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2038.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那另外一個非常重要的就是要維護我們國產的一個品牌所以我們特別建立了相關的產地的鑑別技術讓我們這些外來混沖的國產能夠現行所以除了茶葉以外我們針對牡蠣還有鮮乳我們都已經建立了相關的技術也建立相關的一個抽茶 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2038.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2058.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
那在同時也精進相關的溯源的管理特別是在產交旅列的部分我們已經推動12.4萬公頃那有機有算的面積覆蓋率已經達到將近3.7%已經達到28000公頃左右那更重要的是我們會去強化國產的一個標示打擊相關的一個走勢的一個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2060.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2075.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
在農民福利制度部分我想三保一金是我們一直持續努力精進的一個目標那除了農民健康保險的部分我們針對生育給付我們提高到10萬塊那相關的一個比較重要的農民退休儲金 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2076.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2094.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
那根據委員的一個建議然後我們也同樣的提出一個就是保障不變政府出六成然後農民出四成的部分那這個部分已經上路就是由立法院可以感謝立法院的協助委員的協助那第二個部分是老農津貼的部分老農津貼的部分從 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2096.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2124.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
從額度面從排富面我們都有相關的一個精進的一個作為那相關的精進作為就是在額度上面我們從8,110塊提高到1萬塊然後同時建立定期的一個檢討機制然後也取消了農民的自用住宅的的排富的額度的限制那這個部分已經送到立法院來經過立法院的一個協商好像是直接進入二讀那未來也希望我也能夠支持那在漁業人權的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2125.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2144.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
那欠薪是漁工最擔心的所以我們在去年度花非常多的時間去建立一個公資給付的一個保障的制度我們成立了公資保障的專戶同時也建立了公資電廠的一個機制然後另外在限制上面來講我們也從550塊美元提高到570塊來逐步來與國際接軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2149.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2167.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那同時在勞動條件的保障上面我們也推動了就是運用遠端的醫療服務來配合適當的醫療藥品來協助我們這些移工就是漁民在船上的一個醫療的一個服務那同時針對救助的金額也提高到200萬 |
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2170.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2184.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
在青農方面一直是我們希望能夠導入青農從事農業的一個重要的策略那我們除了金融的支持以外同時我們也增加了非常多的讓這些青年農民增加見習的一個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2186.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2203.434 |
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包括育成基地的一個見習然後也透過選拔的部分來當作一個標竿有讓更多的一個學習那同時在移工部分我們也導入了將近一萬五千名的移工來協助我們農業的生產那這些移工本身我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2204.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2228.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
開始啟動跨區的外展的服務過去都是在那個區域而已那我們希望說因為農業具有季節性我們希望說這些移工也能夠做季節性的一個外移的一個跨區的一個服務同時我們也建立了類似於農機的UBER就是區域型的機械化的一個仲介服務然後建立了50團的這些農機的一個仲介服務來提供 |
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2229.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2250.442 |
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相關的這些農機具以協助農業從事經營來促進農機共享農村的支持也是農業部非常重要的一個重策之一那怎麼樣透過綠色照護來建立農村的支持系統讓我們的青年農民能夠安心的務農那我們透過綠產育、綠飲食、綠療育、綠陪伴的一個策略 |
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2254.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2273.389 |
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方式來推動整個的一個共產的服務然後來持續擴大服務的對象跟我們的綠色的照護點那同時在農村部分我們透過農災計畫本身也持續改善農村的一些基礎的一個建設以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2273.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2298.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
我們更重視農村內的一個文化的元素的一個導入跟內涵的一個導入那這個部分我想我們在115年也會持續在做在維護產業的永續部分那整個的部分大概分為兩個部分造林獎勵是我們非常重要的就是2.0那在去年已經成立新的本來是15年現在縮短為6年然後有不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2299.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2319.969 |
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就是你要做森林持續照護的或是做生產材的部分都有不同的獎勵的一個作為那另外一個重點就是整個自然攤位的部分不是只有農業部門一個部門可以完成的所以我們導入了很多公司協力的部分然後我們希望說透過公司的協力能夠達到我們農業的永續的ESG |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2322.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2338.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那特別是在野生動物的保育的部分我們一直希望是從農田到棲地能夠建立一個完整的生態的一個守護網那針對重要的這些保育的種類包括食物草蕭、水踏、水刺還有台灣黑熊等 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2339.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2353.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我們希望說它都有一個安身的一個棲地所以守護的部分我想我們會透過OECM的部分還有相關的這些保護的共生的認證地大概有3000多公頃來做相關的這些保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2355.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2373.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
在115年的部分我想我們有幾個重要的作為就是類似第一個部分是建立軍人產銷有序的生產我們會建立所謂的計劃性的生產我們會透過種植登記的相關的制度去導入計劃性的生產來推動農產有序生產推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2376.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2385.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
養殖的有序生產然後也透過相關的這些強制的保險也建立了牛脊的管理制度我們希望說透過這樣子有序的生產能夠減少我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2389.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2417.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
增加我们对阴阴极端天候的一个应变的一个作为那第二个部分是在养猪产业韧性升级的部分那我们也知道从去年非洲猪瘟开始我们在今年年底就会完全禁止处于养猪那这段时间是一个非常重要的关键期我们会持续的辅导我们的处于养猪的转型那针对土黑猪的部分我们特别成立了土黑猪的整个黑猪产业的专业辅导小组 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2417.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2429.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
那從育種面、從飼料配方的研發、從品牌的行銷、從循環飼料的一個建置我們希望說能夠順利的協助我們的豬農能夠順利的做一個轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2432.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2456.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那在整個動物保護的部分除了動物保護法已經進到立法院開始做討論那我們會持續跟不同利害關係人做協商以外那我們也預計今年我們已經完成了寵物食品的專法的訂定那我們希望說盡快能夠出行政院送到立法院來那屆時也請我們的委員能夠支持那同時我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2457.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2474.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
也一直在規劃這些退役的犬的一個照顧因為包括邊境的這些防疫犬、檢疫犬包括極毒犬這些都是為我們打拚了這些犬隻我們應該有一個完整的一個規劃的照護的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2474.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2488.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
那同時遊蕩權一直是一個議題所以今年度我想我們會更積極的導入公司的一個協助的方式能夠透過智慧化的管理降低第一線人員的負擔跟保障我們人身的一個安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2490.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2519.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
我們所有農業目標就是用就是希望說有一個比較上位性的一個台灣的一個治理的藍圖然後我們透過全面性的一個溝通跟法之外的達到農村意農業的永續發展的共識所以我們針對農業基本法從去年開始啟動地方的一個溝通那我們希望說透過由下而上的這樣的一個溝通跟討論從基層然後了解產業的需求然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2520.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2542.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
了解學界的觀點跟公民團體的一個關切點我們來研擬我們農地政這個農村基本法以外我們也研擬了農地政策的白皮書來確保農地的資源跟品質的一個確保那同時我們也會研擬農村政策的白皮書來推動農村發展的一個整體規劃那最後我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2543.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2567.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
農產品的外交一直是我們關注的那我們除了在檢疫的部分一直跟各國在洽談這些市場進入的議題那在115年的部分歐盟其實已經允許了我們的蜜棗、紅蘿蔔、荔枝的一個輸入那美國已經預告了我們台灣鳳梨可以直接進到美國市場它也不用像紐西蘭這樣要去投 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2567.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2590.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
整顆鳳梨就可以外銷關鍵的是東安果實營的部分只要我們確定某一些品種不會有東安果實營當記錄的時候就可以直接外銷這個部分是一個很大的商機後續我想我們也會持續的去針對重要的像日本芒果的部分我們也會持續的去爭取相關的開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2591.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2611.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
那整體來講 完善農民福利制度 推動農業轉級 申請確保糧食安全的自主以及全面促進農村再生 維護生態環境永續是農業的五大目標施政的目標 我們透過智慧 韌性 永續 安心的一個政策方式來 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2614.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2641.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
確定我們農業 穩定我們農業生產 永續農業生態跟幸福的農村生活那希望農業部的未來的一年的施政能夠持續得到委員的一個關心 也得到委員的支持以上謝謝農業部陳部長報告 副部長請教一下這個總預算還是沒有辦法付為喔農業部預算也沒辦法去審查 這樣會影響到今年度的預算額度沒有辦法 公司額度大概多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2643.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2667.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我所了解大概九十多億啦九十多億的部分才對好 部長請先回座謝謝農業部陳部長詳細的報告現在我們進行詢答委員執行之前主席原例做以下的宣告本會委員翻譯時間本會委員六分鐘必要時延長兩分鐘非本會委員五分鐘上午十點 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2669.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2685.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
10點截止方案登記首先第一位請邱怡穎委員資訊謝謝主席我請一下陳部長請農業部陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2693.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2715.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
部長好 部長剛剛聆聽了一下您的報告我想有一個最新的也不是最新 有一個時事您上禮拜剛從東京食品展回來我看到這次東京食品展其實台灣的櫃位還算是大我自己本身也去跑了一趟不過根據媒體的報導這次農業部帶的商家 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2721.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2741.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
剪到了11家對我們來講這應該是一個很大幅的減少那到底為什麼會剪到了只有11家那你們說是因為預算的關係我不是很清楚到底這個中間的關聯性是什麼第二個我想請部長您簡要的來報告一下東京食品展的成效 |
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2743.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2763.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
我想謝謝委員的關心 其實東京食品展農業部就是結合了今年是11家 那其實往年是大概12到15家左右那我們考量的就是其實我們農業部的一個主展場應該有效的結合地方政府 因為地方政府大部分有15個縣市都有在那邊擺攤 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2764.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2778.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那我們希望說未來就是一個入口就是農業部的一個展場他規劃了一個台灣的image在那邊希望能夠將人潮引到那個地方所以未來不會是農業部自己單獨帶了幾家廠商去 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2780.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2802.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
所有的台灣管區做結合,跟各縣市政府做結合這樣的話才會更有效率這是我想我們開始思維改變的一個重點那第二個重點就是我們這次帶去的一個最主要我說的就是我們帶去的米香、果香、茶香跟魚香那米香的部分,特別是米的部分我們有很好的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2802.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
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那我這邊也不方便說在日本的時候我去拜會了非常關鍵的這些人物那特別討論到稻米的部分那稻米的部分除了鮮食的鮮米的供應以外那未來有沒有機會用台灣的米跟結合日本的清酒釀造技術 |
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變成台灣米做成的日本的清酒那這個是另外一個更大的一個商機那這個商機我想後續我想我會再跟委員們做一個說明然後協助大家一起來努力那另外水果部分也是一樣有非常多的商機那還有一個重點就是我們的有機的相關的 |
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認證等同那個同等性認證以外日本已經授權我們在台灣直接標日本的有機的產品的標籤不用說貼了台灣以後去到日本再改標那還有簽署了一些MOU的部分我想這個成果後續我們會統計出來以後再跟委員報告好 |
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所以我想部長您的看法就是說今年的東京食品展在台日雙方尤其是台灣的食品或者是蔬果生鮮蔬果進口到日本去其實成效來講您算是滿意的對我看買家的這些詢問的氣氛我覺得它比往年都還要熱度還要高 |
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那未來其實我想未來我覺得農業部在外銷的這個區塊上面應該要再更加的加強包括我們一直在講這個台美對等貿易協定簽署之後對台灣農業的整體的衝擊這個部長我想 |
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這個整個協定裡頭對台灣優勢的地方我覺得這個很清楚但是對台灣或許有一些劣勢的地方到底農業部有沒有做好整體的這一些評估那這些評估報告什麼時候可以比如說在立法院裡頭或者是來跟國人做一些說明或者是在你們整體的施政的政策上面 |
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能夠有更具體的作為這一點我其實到目前為止還沒有完全的清楚甚至部長您剛剛講到的原來我們的預算裡頭在這個任性特別條例的預算裡頭大概有匡列了190億跟農業相關的預算那現在總統希望在農業安全的部分能夠把它擴大到300億 |
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那你這個300億從191億到300億這個300億要做什麼哪一些部分是優先哪一些部分會特別去加強可不可以請部長您在這裡來說明一下 |
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跟委員說明就是在整個對美對等關稅談判過程中其實我們對於整個的品項都有做一個完整的一個衝擊的分析因為談判過程中我們有我們的堅持但是美方有美方的要求所以我們一直堅持的希望能夠守護我們該守護的這些品項那後續相關的你把這些品項我們守護的品項 |
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我想基本的守住一個稻米的部分那是因為從事人口最多的部分而且是我們的糧食安全的一個保障那另外在雞肉的部分我們也守住了那相關的這樣的一個品項的一個守住那像文革好像一些大蒜 |
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這個都是比較敏感的區域性的產品我們都守住了那但不可諱言的在有一些開放在討論的過程中有一些勢必要去開放的部分但是在開放部分其實我們也擬妥了因應政策一個非常重要的觀念就是我們有時候擔心美國的產品的價格比台灣的低那我們一直希望建立一個觀念我們不能再用 |
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價格的競爭去比較產品我們應該提升到價值的競爭我們應該用價值就是包含的品質那透過品質才去處理這樣的一個農產品第二個部分剛才委員提到的就是180億跟300億之間的差異那180億當初只是純粹對外銷的產業的一個支持那300億的農安基金是針對整體的台美貿易 |
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那貿易有一些進口進來可能會造成衝擊的那我們就會用這樣的一個基金的一個經費來協助產業做升級跟它的優化所以你這個產業升級跟優化有沒有包括比如說我們在智慧農業裡頭所需要的這一些系統啊設備啊或者是我們一直在談到這個冷鏈的設施我們如果要外銷要外銷到其他的國家去我覺得台灣的整體的冷鏈設備包括一連串從產地 |
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從田間到賣場這一連串的這個保溫的系統保冷的系統是不是在這一連串的這個規劃裡頭會在300億的經費裡面去協助農民或者是協助產銷合作你所說的外銷冷面的部分在現在的190億事實上其中的10億是跟 |
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跟那個漁船的那個AIS有關的181裡面就可以來執行了所以我們特別是產業的一個升級裡面一個非常重要的冷鏈的一個建制在現在的情況就不用等到台美關稅確認以後去啟動這個農安基金在這個181就可以執行第二個部分就是冷鏈我們也爭取到了第二期的計畫那第二期計畫同時也會去針會去啟動這樣的一個冷鏈特別是針對外銷的部分 |
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部長你講到第二期計畫的這個錢在哪裡 |
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你爭取的第二期計畫預算在哪裡?錢會在哪裡?那個今年的總預算到現在都沒有審我都很擔心你今年的錢不知道下不下的來如果萬一下個月開始來個大雨或者七八月來個颱風你的天然災害災損基金到底能不能撥?到底能不能做?那您跟我講說第二期的冷鏈計畫我也不知道這個錢 |
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你可能已經有規劃有底 是但是立法院一直沒過啊對我來講對農民來講那就是有一個大病在那看得到吃不到啊這就是我們一直擔心的就是我們農業部其實有很好的一個規劃來協助農民但是總預算如果沒過的時候那相對特別是在新政的計畫的部分就沒有辦法動枝那有一些是延續的是可以先動枝去年的額度但是 |
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新的計畫跟舊的計畫一定有關聯性不能一刀就這樣切開來的所以我還是希望說就是大院這邊能夠盡快的審查我們的總預算部長因為我的時間已經到我想其實還有很多的問題要跟您請教但是我覺得在糧食安全在於台灣的這些蔬果做外銷我們很努力的去推動的這個同時其實有一些基礎的設施基礎的設備 |
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基礎的這個基本工基本工我們一定要做好啦要幹好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝邱議員委員質詢請部長先回座現在委員出席人數以各一單人數法定人數先確定上次會議意思錄請問在場委員上次會議意思錄有無錯誤有無錯誤好沒有錯誤意思錄確定好 |
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現在繼續進行質詢 第二位質詢請張家俊委員謝謝主席 我想請陳部長 物業部陳部長 |
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部長我想先請您看幾張照片就在前幾天我跟丁學中委員一起去這個田裡面你看得出來這是什麼作物嗎大蒜那你看得出來它跟正常的大蒜有什麼不一樣嗎 |
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夜燒枯萎沒錯你是專家這個夜燒枯萎代表著什麼就代表著說對而且代表著說他已經沒有辦法再進行光合作用所以他的球體是沒有辦法繼續增大的那針對這個病蟲害 |
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目前農業部這邊有什麼樣的措施?據我們試驗單位同仁的了解就是它相關於跟葉蠻有關的蟲害的部分那我們也啟動了我們的區改良廠來協助我們的農民做相關的一個防治的一個作為這就是一個問題所在因為我先請教您知道這一分地種植成本大概要多少嗎? |
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好 沒關係你們都不知道 這個種植成本大概要6萬6萬喔然後呢 每撒一次農藥就是成本在增加我那一天去田間 這照片上沒有看出來那個農婦 她就坐在餐廳烤 |
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他就在那裡哭說 老公還要修行啊現在在那邊 現在要再噴農藥 要再加一筆銷量他現在是要噴還是不噴 噴下去 修行也不一定好 噴下去再加料那假設 部長你設身處地在他的這個情況之下你覺得是要噴還是不要噴 |
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我想當作物遇到病蟲害的時候農民看到這些病蟲害就應該要去做善盡這樣的一個管理是但是在這之前他已經噴了好幾次他全部照著正常的田間管理所以呢問題就在於說他現在已經受到病蟲害非常可能已經一定會面臨失收會賠錢了 |
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現在再叫他每再噴一次農藥他就是越賠越多那這個困境到底怎麼解決呢 |
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不過我跟委員報告因為要看你每個田區的個案有一些已經從葉間黃到葉根了那可能噴藥效果就不會那麼好但是有時候是剛剛發生的時候你去噴是絕對有效的所以我沒有辦法剛剛我舉例因為這不是單一田間這是非常多鄉鎮現在都發生這個狀態 |
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我合理懷疑當然我不是專家我合理懷疑是因為極端氣候然後地球暖化所產生的一些變化那所以沒有辦法按照我們以前的那種天時下去種植跟以前的田間管理有辦法去維持到豐收的狀態所以呢他們現在 |
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被不斷追加的農藥錢 他說本來如果噴三次會好現在要噴五次壓力真的大到喘不過氣來那我想要知道說 你們有沒有可能可以有任何的救助辦法來協助他們 |
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現在目前天然災害救助辦法病蟲害是農民該負的一個責任所以沒有辦法用天然災害救助的辦法去做協助難道這個極端氣候然後氣候變遷地球暖化所導致的病蟲害不算是天然災害救助辦法中的不可抗力因素嗎 |
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我覺得委員不能一概而論因為如果說病蟲害發生就可以開天然災害的話那大家就不用去噴藥啦那我再舉例那為什麼當初屏東的洋蔥 |
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可以當初屏東的洋蔥因為劇烈的氣候變化受到病蟲害的侵襲農委會就核定說恆春的洋蔥可以納入天然災害補助呢請問一下這個為什麼屏東的洋蔥可以雲林的蒜頭不可以這個評判的標準在哪裡我不知道委員所提到的這樣子的一個 |
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中央社的一個報導是哪一年然後他下這個標不見得就是這個因為我們在做天然災害判斷的時候就是部長你要去查你要去查你知道你背後站了多少人嗎你背後站了八個都搞不清楚狀況我們那個高中長他說洋中是因為天然災害不是因為病床害 |
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但是相對的天然災害造成的哪一種天然災害它上面就寫說去後激烈變動遭受病蟲害侵襲寒雨 冬天的寒雨造成因為那我問你寒雨是那我們現在忽冷忽熱就不是這個判斷的標準我想我們天然災害判斷是沒有辦法說服大家的有我們的專家的判斷基本上呢 就是說是天然災害 |
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直接的影響 並從來第二次的接近部長 你就是判官 你知道嗎 你就是農民的判官你不能一出來就判他們死刑 你知道嗎我們是根據相關的天然災害救助辦法去依法行事那如果假設 寒雨可以 現在這幾個月忽冷忽熱不可以 |
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你覺得這合理嗎 這判斷的標準在哪裡我再講一點 我幫農民再講一點你現在的意思就是說做這個農業 從事農業 雇農 有賺有賠 |
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報果致富那不就跟那個理財你跟那個理財的專家講的不就一樣嗎但是你不要用這種方式去影射我我沒有要影射你你不要再激動我現在是希望你幫忙我希望你幫忙我現在告訴你說昨天你講說保駕收購是農業退步的 |
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退步的什麼你講我現在就問你嘛當初丁薛忠委員問院長的時候你們次長說要維持在27塊27塊你維持得住嗎如果你現在這裡可以跟我承諾你27塊維持得住我給你按個讚但是我覺得27塊還不夠能不能再拉高 |
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第一個我農業部不會啟動保價收購但是你有其他的辦法對我會來協助農民去穩定價格我不拘泥你的辦法我也不拘泥你說你要保價收購但是你要想盡辦法的去維持這個價格但我目前看到是已經大家出來說23塊啦 |
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那你27塊是在天空飄啊最重要的一點 你說23塊是加工算的部分我覺得有很多數據不能把它混淆 然後我現在再跟你講12月底開始 到現在將近四個月 三個多月算頭是已經接近採收期囉 |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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大家都在擔心說要減少進口不要讓價格崩盤這應該是最基本的道理吧是不是我想我們 |
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政府沒有權利去禁止進口但是我們有所謂的那你要稍微控管吧我們有配額然後有關稅外的加價你知道嗎從12月到現在進口了超過8000噸的蒜頭短短不到4個月進口了8770公噸的蒜頭應該沒那麼多吧這個是有數據的2000多我們這個數據約到現在2700 |
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的蒜頭中間阿根廷佔了8430噸我在想農業部怎麼討論保護蒜農的收益為什麼要在產季的前夕大放大放開放進口呢大量開放進口這是什麼意思嗎我覺得委員不能這樣講喔我們的大蒜有配合 |
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配額外的關稅還有一個保護機制我現在是在提醒你我不是在怪罪你你可以不要自動啟動這個保護機制嗎我現在提醒你的是你一樣樣都隱赦你要去預防這個狀況怎麼會你不去掌握這個狀況我們有掌握所有的進口的算 |
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那你是不是你現在答應我說你會努力去把蒜頭維持在27塊以上這樣可以嗎我想我們會盡我們的能力去穩定相關的蒜農的收益我們的相關的方案很快就會出來了我們相關的方案公告就會知道 |
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大概什麼時候公告我可以知道嗎我們會盡快的公告盡快是三天五天還是十天我們盡快的公告你內心沒有底嗎我有底但是我們會盡快的公告對啊我也希望你可以盡快因為這些人喔這些農民他是晚上都在家裡考 |
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我跟委員 我非常感謝委員對蒜農的關心那我相信委員相信我們農業部一定會跟農民站在一起我們會啟動一些相關的一個機制來確保農民的一些收益好 相信你好不好但是你不要讓我失望欸你不要過了下個月我又在這裡再問你這個然後你再告訴我其他的好不好好 謝謝謝謝張教卿委員 |
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部長第二席的官員先請回座 |
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主席要講一下為了兼顧每位委員發言時間的公平性避免影響我們下一位諮詢委員的權利盡量請諮詢委員能夠諮詢結束之後停止發言如果繼續發言的話 只需會不停的站起來不停的站起來請各位盡量配合部長先喝口水 |
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好 下一位執行人 請洪義祥委員好 邀請這個陳部長 請農業部陳部長 |
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副長好我想看完你的這個整個報告那我比較關心的大概都是在智慧農業的一個部分那在這邊的話呢今天大概幾個問題請教一下的大概就是包含了智慧農業4.0的成效台美的貿易關稅衝擊跟扁陽漁業的一個勞權的一個困境 |
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那在第一個來講的話呢其實我把你們所有的這些這個施政的報告115年的我把有關智慧的東西大家都抓出來那我也去抓了審計部100億的預算中心還有一些我們一些學界的一些的評判的報告那事實上來講大概有這幾個問題第一個 |
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我們通常很多部會 農業部也是都會強調說我建置了多少 下載了多少事實上這種東西的KPS已經過時了也就是說我要看到的我們看到關心的是你的使用的效益 |
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那我現在下載之後我的active user就是我一直長時間使用的量這些活躍性的用戶的數量是多少然後對他的成效有沒有幫助不管是在成本的控制或者是產業的效益 |
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那假設你號稱的11萬次的一些的下載就是做某些APP那對照一些農業人口也是要去考量你的這個使用率夠不夠再來很大的一個問題從歷屆審計部的報告還有以前我們在做智慧農業的時候其實這個資料的整合度很糟糕 |
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完全是不足再來的話就是導入的成本偏高再來就是產效預測的一個不彰成效的問題那另外跟這個整合不足有關就是因為你沒有去做這樣的標準化那我大概再往下看幾個簡單的盤點像第一個農災的APP這個GPS的定位極度不穩那你在強制拍攝的時候基本上有些腦容的一個使用的狀況 |
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那省計部在過去也調查過你的這個拍回來的面積基本上是小於你這個土地的補助的面積所以這個東西的資料的落差要去把它精實的弄到 |
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那另外來講的話像這個在製農的生態系的一些的補助那這些補助的話通常都要求他的這個資本的形成一個門檻那當然這個對青農或者是產銷班就是一個很大的負擔所以這個地方也許可以參考一下經濟部的做法有一些是比較中大型的有一些是比較新創的那在這方面的一個審查的補助的一個門檻 |
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可以讓我們這些有製回來的輕農或者是比較活躍性的比較接近央視帶的這樣子的一個產銷班可以來做進行那當然這還有很多的問題包含漁船的Wi-Fi那個無意的前陣的匯管還有這一個你假裝的Wi-Fi之後那船東他可能認為管理權不善不好管也不願意裝 |
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那犬中的地圖APP我看到剛剛這個您的報告裡頭也有這樣的說明但是在這個人犬衝突的熱區這裡很像沙鹿那個深坑那個地方那基本上也要把它列入一個即時的更新那某些東西在做這件事情就是好好的因為我們花了這些的錢所以一定要從你的使用效益來看這件事情 |
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那底下這邊的話我想也就是我剛剛講的整個在你的導入的時候這個智慧化的一個工具你要看的是它的售價的一個提升或者是通路的拓展風險的降低所以你的KPI的設定不要再用那種output的一個方式 |
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我有多少人下載我建置了多少功能我使用了多少的資料資料對我來講如果你是Garbage in那就是Garbage out一點效益也都沒有那這個會導致到一件事情我們常常在這些的新聞報章媒體雜誌都會看到我們希望透過數位化的方式透過大數據分析甚至你們今天常常喊的AI |
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各部會常常喊AI 農業部也是那我覺得你是為AI而AI 就很麻煩資料一定要對 資料一定要及時那像這個的預估本來就是很困難的一件事情從我們以前做智慧系統的角度來看你的資料的清洗 標誌 收集 涵蓋率是不是夠再來你的模型到底是用什麼樣子的模型 |
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然後準或不準會不會去調所以我覺得這些東西大概是我從比較資通訊專業的角度來提醒農業部因為我們花了很多的錢 |
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所以這個地方來講的話我想請部長做一個簡單的回答就好非常謝謝委員的一些建議特別是非常專業的一些建議那我第一個跟各位跟委員報告智慧農業是當初我在農業實驗所當所長的時候規劃出來的 |
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那當初的整個智慧農業的規劃,重點是在智慧農業的落地所以整個農業的生產,智慧農業是一個協助,它不是主角,它是一個協助的作為那第三個部分,剛才你特別提到了,我們如果透過很多GPS在定位的時候會有不準其實我們在過去三四年當中,我們導入了RTK的系統 |
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所以現在全台灣的農業的這些無人機在飛的時候都透過RTK定位的時候它的精準度可以達到兩到三公分它就不會隨著一般的那個我們所用的手機做漂移所以有很多我同意剛才委員所說的我們很多KPI是用所謂的人次或是使用的次數我覺得我們的KPI應該是將智慧農 |
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協助產業的落地的那個成果當作我們的一個指標我想後續我想我會要求我們的同仁做這樣的一個處理好我想這個在之後的話因為我對這個問題很關心因為用科技來幫助農業是我過去的長期的工作項目之一我有做過很多這個智慧農業相關的 |
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尤其是在物聯網 田間作物的偵測農漁業的養殖等等所以這裡頭我還是拜託部長以及所屬這些相關的單位回去好好盤點一下你們的智慧農業的預算然後要做的工作 |
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然後以及過去不管是審計部或是立法院預算中心給你們的缺失報告那之後的改善缺失那可不可以寫一個完整的分析報告給我多久這樣一個月可以嗎一個月可以好謝謝再來 |
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那下一個的話呢這個我想都是一樣的問題因為資料是很重要的所以在你的分析報告也納入資料的這樣子的統合因為這個是很多人詬病的我在各地方縣市做的IoT資料但也沒辦法彙整回來你的農業部就不會有什麼就不會有數位儀表板你就不會有精確的這些的分析 |
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好那再來的話呢當然在我們的關稅大家談了很多ART的東西但是我還是提醒部長尤其是在這個稻米的底價啦或者是這個自動承認農藥的MRL或者是像這些GI的品牌危機雖然他都寫在比較附近的這個小的地方那我還是希望部長給我們一些在產業的衝擊分析報告裡頭也可以交給我們 |
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我第一個要跟委員說明這個台美的協議我們現在談的絕對不是一個喪權辱國的一個配方它其實對台灣農業反而是一個新的機會跟新的契機那我想後續我想我們會陸續將我們得到的這些新的契機跟新的競爭力的部分來提供給委員好那最後只有一個簡單的問題拜託你們的資訊去更新一下 |
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因為現在的是122所以是10%加MFN但是你們的網站還是在15%15%根本川普都還沒宣告的好 這個我想我們會立即改因為上次在院的那邊就已經跟你們講過好 那最後主席讓我10秒就好 |
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因為現在要接著是做301301的條款的調查他對於我們的漁業勞工的勞犬的問題那因為時間的關係你再給我一個這樣子你們過去準備的這些因為要做聽證會嘛要做產業報告所以這些東西要送交美國301聽證會的時候你們準備的資料也送一份給我可以嗎可以好謝謝好謝謝洪運祥委員請部長先回座好下一位資訊委員請楊瓊英委員 |
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謝主席 陽春發言 邀請部長請農業部陳部長 |
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肥料的問題,農民現在看到中東的戰勢升高,影響到荷姆茲海峽的運輸我們也知道全球的肥料與能源供應量出現了這個動盪 |
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依據英國商品顧問機構CRU的一個指示他說全球三分之一的這個留守也就是淡肥以及45%的這個硫磺跟磷肥這兩項都必須要經過赫姆茲的海峽來運輸那在這樣的情況之下因為航道目前受阻那導致從衝突開始到現在 |
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現在大概已經上漲了大概40%那卡達的這個尿素工廠它也停產印度減產巴基斯坦以及孟加拉那這個工廠也停工不少的這個國際的專家他都指出有一點憂心也就是今年的糧食供應恐受到這個衝擊 |
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但是在我們自己國內我們仰賴進口包括了黃小玉的部分玉米跟大豆百分之九成以上都要依賴海外肥料也多數是由國外來進口在這樣的情況之下當然部長您也說了我們的部分我們肥料的部分你可以支應到今年的下半年 |
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這是你對外之前所做的說明但是昨天我在總質詢的時候我也特別針對於這個能源的這個問題也因為這個海峽的問題 航運的問題 無人機這個衝擊的這些問題那所以黃曉玉的部分政府 |
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也由原本的今年的3月底 剪碎的部分再延長半年由這個例子我們可以看出 也就是說我們不知道這個戰爭什麼時候會停而且我們看不到停的這個方向所以如果您只有說是到今年的下半年我們可以支印 |
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但是就像行政院 能源的部分3月沒問題 4月沒問題 5月他要買更高的能源的來源 他已經說囉那我本期要請教部長因為沒有這些肥料 那農民該當怎麼辦呢那你的應對方式是什麼一旦漲價起來 你要怎麼應對 請做說明 |
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先跟委員說明其實我們的肥料來源並不是只有全部靠那個中東地區進來的其實我們原料的來源是多元化的當然是多元化但是你會有所影響啊對 我還沒講完就是說我們這些尿素的部分包括氮磷鉀的部分 |
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根據現在的庫存跟已經在海上要駛到台灣來的部分大概可以供應到8月的部分甲肥的部分可以供應到10月那磷礦的部分可以供應到12月所以你已經告訴我們是今年的下半年嗎對 第二個部分就是因為這個牽涉到戰爭會持續多久那如果持續太久的話就會影響到船運的費用還有就是它供應遲到的費用這怎麼辦 |
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那這個部分我想我們不能運的部分我想我們會啟動其他的國家我剛才說的肥料的多元國家供應就能夠稀釋原來靠中東來的部分這個台肥公司已經在啟動相關的機制那萬一能源提高的時候我相信以農業部的立場我們一定會 |
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跟台肥做協商能夠讓我們的肥料穩住肥料的價格不會讓它漲過去在COVID-19的時候我們就啟動過就是不漲價那相信如果說真正的戰爭持續到我們必須要漲價的時候我想政府會努力來吸收這個價差 |
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我們兩個答案不能讓農民沒有這個肥料萬一這個中東的還不停那我們會從其他國家來補足但是這個補足你一定要超前部署因為全球都在輪動這個不確定感太多了第一個量不能不足第二個不能漲價 |
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由政府來吸收不能讓農民這個肥料又漲價我們這個承諾是這兩項嘛對不對所以不能漲價我們要給我們的農民說請大家放心這很重要喔那因為留守本來就是我們肥料最重要的一個核心嘛這最重要喔 |
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好 接下來本期要跟你討論的就是說我們在96年的時候通過了農村再生條例那我們說10年內編列的這個1500億來成立農村再生基金那到110年就沒有再預算撥補進去了可是我們看到審計單位也跟你示警了也就是說到114年底我們剩下300去年底315億那116年底恐怖 |
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可能只剩下22億元喔那要請教部長針對於這樣子我們農村再生條例的這個部分呢那你要怎麼樣去制度性的去應對請做說明第一個部分就是農村再生其實在農村界是非常重要的一個基金我們好不容易來通過116年就會見底了 |
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我記得在前年的時候很多委員提到就是說要把再增基金再增加1500億但是農業部不認為這是好的方向因為由立法院這邊直接在法裡面增加預算就是違背相關的財政紀律法但是我想在那個時間點我已經跟議員黨報告過 |
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未來農村災難 他也知道農村災難是一個很重要的一個經費的來源那未來年度的規劃的經費如果不足的就是由國庫來撥補用撥補的方式就像現在農發基金也是用撥補的方式農損基金已經用完了但是每年我們還是編列然後編列就是由公寓才來撥補所以這個本席就是要跟你討論的為什麼 |
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在前一兩年我們很多部分藍綠的委員 藍綠白的委員都提出也就是點出了農村再生條例的一個執行的繳成的一個重要性而且我們也已經預見在116年的時候他可能就見底了那如果說每一個基金他扔就我多少我給你補多少 |
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那這樣子的一個方式他不確定感太大了所以呢您剛剛部長也說了農村再生條例是非常的重要而且現在已經推展到各個區塊都已經落實我們希望能夠繼續延續下來所以我還是請部長你好好去研議看看不是說你缺多少補多少缺多少補多少如果是這樣子那人民 |
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這個沒有確定感 本身不太贊成是這樣的方式 因為農民也不是去吃啦那不確定感又加上來 那我們怎麼去推動你是不是研擬 116年要見底我們116年要補多少進去我們是不是有一個定數 這樣子是不是讓大家在執行方面可以比較安心 而且不會中途中斷 |
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好 謝謝委員的關心我想第一個就是農村戰爭基金本身後續的怎麼運作要不要修改相關的條文然後是不是用定額的方式去做撥補的方式我想我們包括經費來源我想我們會先研議然後跟行政院做討論以後再來試試你多久研議出來給本席說明這個至少要三個月好 三個月你研議然後把方向給本席 |
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我再給你一個功課也就是我們的海草問題海草對於我們整個環境是非常重要我們看到了80年來從113公頃萎縮到不到40公頃你們從幾年前也開始在澎湖四點 |
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但是試點的結果現在不到1公斤那你們認為跟你們原先預估的還是不足那你還有什麼方法因為我們看到每30分鐘我們會損失了大概一個足球場的一個海草的量體那如果持續讓它這樣子那我們該當怎麼辦你要怎麼樣去補足呢 |
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我簡單跟委員說明就是我們要出估大概全台灣大概海藻的覆益面積可以300公頃那技術已經可行了現在是怎麼樣大量化那我是希望水勢所針對類似我們水稻的央苗的方式有沒有先去育苗以後在海底裡面去種稻類似這種概念那個效率會比較快 |
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好 所以在這段時間我們看到聯合國環境規劃署因為一提他也特別提出1930年來面積已經消失全球30%所以我們一定要好好的努力去做你把你們 你說你在技術之前不到一公頃你技術 你預計要怎麼做請你書面資料給本席我們一起好好來把它完成好不好 謝謝 |
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非常感謝楊瓊瑩委員部長先回座下一位質詢請陳廷飛委員謝謝主席我們請部長請農業部陳部長 |
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部長我今天要跟你討論一下我們的國際藍展因為我們今年的國際藍展是我們農業部第一年就主導然後這一次除了有國際藍展也有花卉科技展有一個不一樣的創新那我們去看完之後我想我們希望明年有更不一樣 |
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我們要每年每年的有亮點 越來越進步對 越來越進步好 那部長 |
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我想請教一下就是說其實今年的由藍協主辦的藍花展示區其實去年它的預算是有五千萬的但是在今年好像變三千五百萬可是我知道這不是我們農業部的問題就是說我們所希望的我們的國際藍展是有一定的規模 |
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絕對不能經費是往下降每年物價指數不斷在調結果我們往下降之後那個感覺不一樣所以我要拜託部長說我們雖然攔血有配合因為沒搞都要自己出啦都要自己出來可是我覺得如果能夠堆疊上去也就是我們公部門的預算我們沒有 |
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減退然後再加上攔斜的我相信我們的效果會是加倍的所以我這個部分要拜託我們的部長就是說在明年我們攔斜有我們攔斜也就是他們所主辦的蘭花展示區我們拜託這個預算一定要維持有5000萬過去的這樣的規模OK嗎 |
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我先跟委員報告就是你剛才你講的去年五千萬是因為它還有亞太覽展那前年還有一個世界覽展它在不同的場區所以它經費有比較多那原來的經費像今年的三千五百萬事實上我已經把它提高了本來的預算編的好像只有三千萬還是兩千五百萬 |
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兩千五百萬我還增加了一千萬上去不過我想我會我會朝著委員的建議就是在明年度的預算的部分我想我會至少會維持到三千五百萬以上用這樣的一個方式來處理那是我們目標其實 |
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部長因為每年我都會去看雖然我們過去是國際藍展再加亞太藍展可是它的規模跟區塊性其實是一致性的比較一致性的只是因為是有兩個主題那我覺得 |
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人民的感受是不一樣的而且甚至主辦單位攔血它主辦起來也不一樣因為說真的我們時間越來越長今年的時間是拉長的比去年是拉長的光拉長的時間所增加的開銷跟它的營運它是不一樣的 |
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而且他必須協助周邊的 而且我當天其實有跟我們主任也去看過就是說有一些我們可以做得更好的地方我們在今年其實應該要有些經費預算再去增加這個是我們自己公布門的 就不是在活動 |
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的一個處理就是說我們的硬體設施該怎麼加強其實很可惜的是我們的蘭花布置得很漂亮可是它會有一個漢格就靠看到看到那個鐵柱 鐵片 |
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那個感覺又不一樣了因為部長你有去看嘛你看如果像我們那個有那個立體3D鏡面的一進去那個感覺都不一樣因為它是一個封閉的上面看不到我們的鋼鐵板那如果沒有看到鐵板的話那個一致性的視覺不同那我們現在就差在這一塊所以那天我跟主任說其實我們是不是應該思考 |
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在我們這個替片的部分我們要怎麼去加強或是把它弄成一個黑色的這是一勞永逸的因為我們未來花卉產業園區我們是要人一直不斷的進來不是放在那裡說一天辦一套那是有夠可惜的所以這個部分再拜託部長然後我們的花卉科技展謝謝今年有亮點 |
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多了花卉科技展可是我們要怎麼讓這個耳目一新可以繼續讓他有人潮讓他感覺他是一個亮點這個要怎麼辦 |
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我跟委員報告就是農業科技展當初我們投入的經費就是要讓它變成一個永續的而不是短時間的一個煙火式的部分所以後續我想我已經請我們的代主任做一個完整的規劃那我都期待每個月都有展這個展不見得純粹是農業部門的科技還有結合業者的這些展覽因為業者每一年都每個月甚至於都有一些小展大展 |
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都能夠利用在一個場地來處理這個部分我想我們會很能夠去規劃這個就是我下面要跟部長討論的要固定版電也要經費就我們周邊的設備一定要先讓它起來所以我要跟部長建議就是說我們附近有一個非常漂亮的公園 |
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如果我們可以讓它加強包括我們的綠地我們希望這邊是一個野餐野餐區但是現在有很多親子野餐好 我們主題拔定蘭花瘦公園我們蘭花瘦這一次很夯耶IP很夯耶 對不對蘭花瘦公園所以這個部分其實我們可以來做規劃 |
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你看到我這一張照片,這是那個吹氣的乾氣的,淋氣的,這隻如果變成石頭,然後可以一直存在在這裡 |
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它是不一樣的所以我要拜託部長的時候就是說這個可以優先規劃我們蘭花瘦的主題公園然後我們有一個野餐休閒區我們的綠地都做好了 |
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大家可以在這裡用野餐店可以享受我們不一樣的氣氛而且後面這裡空氣很好第二就是我們像部長剛剛所講的我們要固定你偶爾然後那種盤花式的我告訴你沒有用我們要固定每個月我們就固定一天第四個禮拜我們固定來辦一個花卉市集 |
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也就是說結合現場的我們蘭花業者還有我們花卉的量能 |
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也就是我們花卉產業園區我們有一些其他地方的一些花卉 特殊的花卉我們就固定每個月的四個禮拜我要變成指標啦但是大家都知道啊我每個月的第四個禮拜我來花卉產業園區我就可以參加花卉市集 |
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一定要固定 固定讓我們行銷 行工格 人在幫我們工格這個是在行銷的策略當中非常重要的然後你就可以逼著台糖後面五分的車 |
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欸你要建設起來欸你要做串聯欸我們當這個地方上來之後如果你是落後的那請問我們要怎麼做串聯我們就可以逼著他 |
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逼著台塘在他的後壁五分車車站你要建設起來因為他這邊很多倉庫可是因為沒有人如果我們這邊人潮起來那邊我們就逼著他這樣串聯又有交通又有脈絡 |
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我相信光一天這兩個點他的人潮就上來了所以我是提這些建議我拜託我們的主任部長交代我們的主任要下去規劃這是我們當天其實跟業者還有我們主任我覺得這樣做是能夠幫到我們的花卉產業園區好 部長拜託 |
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我想委員提了非常好的一個想法那我絕對一定會去支持去做一個規劃甚至於那個Oki Show我都覺得把它變成背包的吊飾會更好這個後續有很多想法我們再來討論所以當你這個蘭花Show主題公園出來之後很多的所謂附加的一個鏟子就上來了好不好謝謝 |
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非常謝謝陳廷輝委員 部長先請回座下位質詢請鍾嘉斌委員今天上午的休息時間在主席質詢完之後我們休息今天休息6分鐘好 下位質詢請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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好 主席 在場的委員先進 列席的政府相當 官員 會長 工作夥伴 媒體 記者 女士先生有請我們陳部長謝謝農業部陳部長部長好 來 大家都在關心有個地方的風火啊你會不會擔心斷氣啊斷天然氣會關心但是你會不會覺得我們天然氣會中斷 |
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我相信經濟部這邊會有一個完整的方案我們相信行政團隊各部門會把自己的分工業務內顧好保證供應無虞那你會不會擔心現在我們看到了這個禾木寺海峽不只是原油 液化天然氣 石油氣 油製品化肥 剛剛有問到化肥化肥是我們農業生產有必需那化肥之後還有黃小玉 乾貨當然乾貨這個比較不會從禾木寺海峽過來 |
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但是因為全國的航運遷移法動全身這邊擋住了這邊的船動不了了可能整個國際航運會大亂你會不會擔心我們的化肥跟防小育出現問題我跟你們報告在COVID-19的時候那些航運的阻斷比現在這個更嚴重那我們已經有一些應對的經驗所以我想我們會持續關心這個議題包括肥料的來源還有防小育的這些產地的這些價格 |
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我想後續我想如果必要的時候我們會啟動相關的配置我想應該部長經歷過COVID-19我們會做完整的準備那之前我在上一頁我在院外的時候請卓魁注意到在能源自主的部分我們要進行多元開發還要注意到怎麼樣節能開發之後還要節能永續利用好往下看來那請問能源自主跟糧食自主哪一個比較重要 |
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我覺得這兩個都一樣重要很好標準答案都很重要真的很立場糧食自主這個你也要想辦法來促成對不對那糧食自主要怎麼達成呢我們往下看現在台灣進口美國最多的你看目前我們的國產市佔率黃小玉之外包括牛肉我們本土供應的都少於什麼九成多大部分有九成多是靠進口美國也都差不多照進口的一半對不對那剛之前我們在擔心關稅的時候這個部分都處理妥勝了嗎 |
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我想這些議題我們都有在討論而且已經有一個比較完整的一個規劃但是我們是不是要想辦法減少對不是對美國而已對進口農產品這些糧食安全的立場上要減少對它的依賴提高我們的糧食自足這是我想我們長期的目標長期的目標那我們怎麼去做那我們來看一下糧食自足率人帶努力包括玉米你看國產跟需求自己率只達到2.6% |
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你覺得提高自主率我們有成長的空間嗎我們去產國產玉米能夠滿足我們國內的需求嗎我想我們國內沒辦法滿足黃小玉不能滿足到百分之百但是我們的目標是大概百分之五那我先請教一下這個我們要提高本國的玉米的生產請問目前我們的玉米是人吃得多還是動物吃得多 |
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我們現在的玉米最主要是飼料用對所以其實糧食安全我們進口這些黃小玉大部分是做飼料那如果減少對進口飼料的依賴其實某個程度也是提高我們的糧食自主力 是不是這樣是你們後面不用那麼多人在那裡讓我會有點緊張啦我沒叫他們進來你們都沒進來沒關係啦你們部長對我的答詢應應之欲如啦好 再往下看那請問一下 部長本土農產品是要給人吃的還是給動物吃的 |
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我想我們的農產品基本上大概都是給人吃的我們本土的是要給人吃的嘛所以進口的黃小玉是主要是給人菜給東西你剛剛已經打了嘛是那但是如果動物我們養的這個序情沒有東西吃我們人就沒有東西吃嘛對不對因為我們是吃這些家禽家畜嘛 |
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所以進口的黃小玉如果我們的畜牧業我們能夠減少對進口黃小玉的依賴是不是有助於我們糧食安全的提升是好很好那我們來看一下所以我要提醒一點這個題目跟你探討過很多次我們進口很多食材之後加工後有一些剩餘這些加工後的剩餘其實如果進入了畜牧業在一個防疫跟食安的前提之下進入我們這樣的一個永續循環你支不支持 |
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我絕對支持絕對支持好那希望你們能夠往這個方面落實因為現在在討論到一些我們這個續勤養殖的時候農產加工的剩餘物有各種的類型哪些適合在符合防疫跟食安的情況之下可以進入到這個食物鏈來讓我們本土的農業可以減少對進口飼料的依賴正你強調嘛對 |
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所以你要知道我們農業的剩餘大概有三個優先順序第一優先做什麼做飼料第二優先呢做肥料第三優先呢 |
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做燃料但是我們看到現在的農業剩餘常常去直接做燃料這很可惜如果可以做飼料的可以生產動植物蛋白質供我們補充如果是可以做肥料的可以植物性蛋白質補充我們是不是這樣子所以農業部請遵照這個順序好往下看來那我們現在發現我們林保署林保署這時候可以上來了如果他在的話我們使用國產材是為了減少對進口的木材的依賴嗎 |
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我覺得還有其他的目的像什麼我覺得整個自然碳匯是一個非常重要的沒有錯我們買人家的柴木柴在那邊長的樹那邊有碳匯木柴製品到我們這邊來我們有碳排對不對所以我們國產柴其實是為了我們國內的零項的更新永續好那請問一下目前國產柴署長你們好像在推國產柴人家說國產的進口價格高啊台灣的木柴加工業者會用國產柴嗎 |
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貴鬆鬆啊 高價的低價的都要進口的啊已經有改善了因為這幾年國際的這個運價其實也在調高所以國產才變得比晚有競爭力大概是哪些財種哪些木大部分是柳杉柳杉大概的應用上是做什麼東西做什麼東西包含家具比如說像你剛剛講的客桌椅是的來部長接下來又讓林保署長說這個怎麼問到他你們看過這隻羊 |
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這隻羊很有名,這是綿羊部長你看過這個新聞嗎一個澳洲綿羊巴拉克離家住著五年身上長了35.4公斤的羊毛是什麼意思如果說今天羊毛沒有消費市場 |
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農民就不會幫什麼幫羊剃毛對不對所以有商業的市場我們國產的財我們的零項才會有自然的什麼能夠去替化嘛是不是所以呢如果要讓我們本國的森林國土保安的立場我們本國的樹木我們要保護但是也要有自然的掩替之外 |
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我們如果國產材去化後有商業的用途自然的抒發、種植就是成為循環你支持嗎?支持是供需的一個平衡才能夠引導所以今天林保署它叫做林保署它不是像以前我們學校的什麼木材有砍樹的有撤其外、有淨其外我們目的是整個 |
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國產國有林的一個國土保持在這個情況之下林 森林的林項要自然的傾城代謝代謝的過程要透過抒罰罰的東西要商業市場才能夠促進這整個循環你支持嗎支持好 那現在問題來了現在國產財現在要做客桌椅 |
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這是一個 只有這個用途啦大概基本上我們市面上要買的木家具耀文國產做的不多嘛 因為你說柳木嘛一般你們家裡有用過柳木的家具嗎 |
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連IKEA的都不是啊 都是用進口的啊所以怎麼辦所以呢 其實在市場的自然機制下它只要缺乏競爭力是不是可以我在屏東就做的公益媒合跟無立法委員 怎麼樣我們說 我們未來啊學校對一年前的入學新生送他一套可以用九年的課桌椅他每升一級就搬個車桌椅到新的教室國中畢業還可以帶回家部長你覺得這個有沒有可能 |
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我覺得這個非常有創業的做法很好但是這你能做嗎我很願意跟教育部來一起討論沒有錯以前你們跟教育部合作什麼班班吃食班生生有鮮乳來再給你一個新的論文往下一頁就是生生使用國產的客桌椅好不好你要不要跟教育部來調整一下我一定會跟他講我禮拜五總之今天就跟他講好 謝謝 |
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謝謝鍾議員精彩的質詢如果沒有指名,如果有官員要上台備詢,要跟主席點頭質疑一下,可是不曉得誰上台 |
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謝謝主席我想請一下陳部長請農業部陳部長部長好我想說農業相關問題其實很多第一個我先問一下有關於農業金庫的問題我想請教一下部長你知不知道說我們今年農業金庫的配息是多少錢 |
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應該沒有配息吧沒有配息OK部長還是掌握得很好農業金庫沒有配息那農業金庫連續兩年都大幅的虧損部長應該知道嗎我想它的虧損已經有大幅的減少在特別在去年的時候從前的60幾億這邊有寫60幾億到現在的17億左右 |
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是是是那我在想說因為農業金庫是我們基層311家農業會信用部他們一起大家一起來撐起來的這樣一個狀態那我想說農業金庫其實它的經營的績效還有整個制度上面的一些問題監察院也都直接提出了一個糾正針對這個部分的時候農業部這邊有沒有什麼因應的方式後續要怎麼樣做調整 |
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第一個其實農業金庫最致命的一個部分就是它接受地區的農會轉存所以它本身接受到的都是定存所以它的那個利率的 |
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利率的那個大概差0.5%比一般的銀行然後他放款的時候他放出去的那些這些貸款是比較少的所以相對的就會造成他的一個虧損那當初61的虧損是買國外的這些低利率的理解喔但我在想說因為制度上就是這樣子的一個安排嘛那我們要怎麼樣讓農業金庫這邊的績效能夠提升怎麼樣去提升他的那個LDR的一個比例 |
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我想第一個部分部長這邊有沒有什麼具體的一個做法我想第一個部分就是農業新戶應該要回歸到專業管理人的一個角度所以我們這次請了那個原來就在銀行界服務的這個簡董事長來擔任那去年看得到他整個的一個對於這種貸放款的這些 |
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這些規劃都比過去還精準所以可以看得到它的規準就降低了所以後續針對這個部分我希望說我們整個農業金融部份的時候能夠有更完整更成熟的一個狀態所以針對農業金庫這邊的時候部長這邊到時候再請金融市長這邊到本麥沃斯萊這邊來做一個更詳細的一個報告好不好 |
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那我想說我接下來想要問的一個事情是有關於那個ART的部分雖然說ART部分的時候關係的層面非常非常的大對的貿易協定的地方非常的多可是我今天只針對跟農業部我覺得有更具體相關的豬這個產業的部分那我這邊特別提到幾個點因為在這一次的那個ART當中的時候從地 |
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調問的第22點開始的時候就開始有很多很多跟我們豬肉有關的一些調整我們的豬腎的萊克多班的容許量現在是多少?ART當中後來開放的是多少?部長可不可以知不知道? |
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這個部分都是食藥署在負責這個部分現在原來的豬身應該是0.04吧是不是0.04ppm後來開放到0.09ppm然後豬雜的部分的時候從0.01ppm開放到變成了0.09ppm容許值提高了9倍而且針對檢驗的方式的時候呢我們之前有用水解來 |
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釋放就是結合胎的萊克多巴胺的部分現在也都不能用這樣子的方式那查驗的方式 頻率的部分呢全部都有所限制而且我們也不能夠100%逐批檢驗 |
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那這些部分我為什麼會直接把這些部分直接講出來因為我知道這個部分其實不是農業部在管不是農業部在管因為我們現在除了說百分之百逐批檢驗我們當時這樣要求現在也都不行然後邊境檢查的裁量權從第條文的25點到第31點全部都直接的放寬直接以美國的標準為標準 |
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然後對於我們之前本來有個事先查場然後事先去驗肉這樣的一個部分現在只要是在美國NPI名錄當中的時候我們都不能這樣去做了然後甚至於說我們對於 |
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歐盟像豬肉西班牙的豬肉丹麥的豬肉其實他們其實都沒有用萊克多巴胺可是我們現在對美國要用最惠國待遇的方式去因應那麼這些部分的時候我知道都不是農業部管可是在我們ART當中確實都把它給設定進來了那麼針對這個部分我想請教一下部長他這個部分 |
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這樣子的一個開放對台灣豬農產業會不會產生什麼樣子的影響我們有沒有做具體的評論我們第一個跟委員報告就是 |
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整個談判條件是行政一體的理解那我們在談判的過程中也了解他的衛務部這邊相關的一個規劃第一個部分就是您剛才特別提到的很多我們的裁量權就是被人follow到美國就是不對的資訊因為我們的所有的訂定的標準都是用科學的根據符合國際規範就是Codec上面就是這樣寫 |
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但是它是用Codex的一個國際的規範來處理的我們之前的狀態就是覺得Codex這邊的時候標準太寬鬆嘛所以我們原本標準比較嚴格所以對於豬雜的部分我們本來是0.01ppm的部分現在變成0.09ppm不能用9倍這樣算因為0.01是不得減出這種概念它是機器的極限不是說它一個值提高了9倍 |
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原來是不得減出那現在是符合國際的規範本來不得減出現在可以減出那更是無限大耶部長那就不是九倍的問題喔本來不得減出的狀態變成0.09那是無限大的一個百分比不是九倍喔是無限大的倍數喔所以目前就是因為整個的 |
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我現在要問的狀態是說因為它現在在整個ART當中的時候對於這所有的部分它是變得更寬鬆的一個情況我想問農業部的部分是覺得對於這個部分會不會對台灣的養豬產業產生影響農業部有沒有具體做這樣的一個評估我跟董議員說明就是 |
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相關的這些放寬是符合國際規範的一個標準對農業部來講我一點都不會再擔心我相信你喜歡吃台灣豬肉還是喜歡吃進口豬肉我相信你一定喜歡吃台灣豬肉因為台灣豬肉有台灣豬肉的特色那我們第二個台灣豬肉本身的自給率大概是88平均88到90去年比較低是因為有肥肉豬肉的關係變成83所以後續我們會啟動 |
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一個完整的國產豬肉的一個形象識別變成台灣豬肉唯一選擇所以美國現在目前只佔1%部長針對這個部分你們有沒有給台灣的豬農很清楚的意識到ARP這樣子的一個調整之後會對他們產生什麼樣的影響他們非常清楚因為美國的豬肉只佔我們全國的消費量的不到1% |
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它進口的百分之八但是全部進口量的百分之一而已所以它不會去撼動到我們國產豬肉的一個行銷因為美國豬肉近來還要打還要跟加拿大去競爭加拿大打算百分之四十理解 理解因為我剛剛講那幾個點確實都是很具體的一個問題所以我們希望說 |
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在ART這個部分的時候不會對臺灣的豬農產生太大的影響所以農業部必須要有更積極的一個作為那另外一個部分就是針對漁電共生2.0版那這個政策還沒有完全的落實下來我想請問一下部長針對漁電脫鉤這件事情的時候目前情況怎麼樣然後農業部的態度是怎麼樣 |
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6857.675 |
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6876.05 |
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我想我們新的餘電共生的政策並沒有對外我們現在是在內部研議跟一些利害關係人在討論那我所提出來的我覺得一個非常重要的就是餘電共生政策不會改變所以沒有所謂的餘電脫鉤這件事情 |
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6877.791 |
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6903.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
第二個我們所提出來的漁歸於電歸電是讓它回歸到專業就是漁電共生政策之下讓漁跟電本身回到它專業的去經營OK 理解主席再給我30秒鐘我把這部分講完我針對這個部分的時候我想講的狀態就是說在2025年我們原本希望能夠整個光電之類的目標是20GW |
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6904.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
6921.542 |
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那目前要延後一年這延後當中的部分呢我們看到大部分的資料就是因為餘電共生這邊所產生的部分所以至於說這邊要怎麼去調整是不是叫餘電共生2.0或者餘對於餘歸於電歸電這部分要怎麼去做 |
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我都沒有特別的意見可是我覺得讓台灣的電夠我覺得這是很重要的一件事情然後漁民的權益也不能夠受到損害那怎麼樣子讓業者讓地方政府讓主管的單位都能夠有很清楚的依據我覺得這很重要所以我們希望針對這部分要怎麼去做請部長發揮你的智慧好不好跟其他相關的單位包括經濟部這邊也做很好的溝通 |
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| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
6970.8 |
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好 謝謝鄭委員 謝謝部長接下來有請召委邱志偉委員質詢謝謝主席 中央立委主持比我更有效率謝謝主席 有請農業部陳部長好 請陳部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
6994.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
幾個問題請教從你的報告裡面說今年2月21日向世界動物衛生組織提交ASF那自我森民肺疫區文件已經都申請了那最後結果什麼時候公布 |
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| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7022.628 |
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我想那個WH本身他會進行相關的一個審查然後他會根據我們提出來的東西會有一些疑問或是要補充意見的那最近他有來文要我們補充意見那相關的我們準備的非常充分有些資訊我們有充分的把握跟細心我們絕對有把握啦所以他如果補充文件之後他們會最快時間去審查你預期什麼時候會公告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7049.879 |
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六個月內照他們的期程 從現在開始嗎還是申請開始 應該從二月開始所以大概七八月 對然後我們希望更快越快越好這個就是讓國際放心 是那如果你這個我們又重返這個三大豬變成非一區的時候相關的檢疫還會放鬆嗎我想不會 還會調整不會目前的檢疫政策還是維持我們的檢疫政策我想 |
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7067.567 |
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很重要的一個就是我們到了年底我們所有的廚餘就進到禁止到豬的系統裡面然後相關的禽類下甲料我們會做成循環再利用的飼料這個部分那相對它的風險就會降低這個問題就是像 |
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7068.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7085.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
繼續請教您這個上會期EcoFit的部分我實際跑去日本跟他們的農林水產省相關的官員討論他們怎麼樣把廚餘變成飼料有相關的技術你也說如果相關技術可以的話 |
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7086.466 |
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7112.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
也希望取得授權我們導入這個EcoFeed目前的進度怎麼樣我想我上個禮拜親是去現場那個工廠去參觀了那整個EcoFeed的工廠分為兩個部分一個部分是直接變成飼料化另外一個是比較有油油水的廚餘它是經過能源化它是在一起的部分然後他當場也說我們台灣已經有兩三位業者跟他洽詢了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7140.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
那本來我想問他們是哪兩三家啦他因為是商業機密他不願意透露這個人表示說我們台灣的業者其實已經跟他有一些接觸然後同時我們在行政院就是也經過討論未來這樣子一個EcoFit的循環再利用飼料廠的一個興建投資的時候政府會做適當的補助跟協助把日本那一套我們可以學習把它引用到台灣來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7169.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
相關的技術我們可以取得授權那政委也要投入資源對我們會投入我們會來協助要協助廠商因為所有廚餘啊最後就是變成這個也可以變成燃料也可以變成這個飼料所以完全不會進入養豬的系統嘛然後搭配家戶的這個廚餘處理機我也曾經提案說是不是他們幾乎每一家都有廚餘處理機所以把那個水跟油啊全部大幅度縮小 |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
所以他們就很大的程度很大的比例可以變成這個什麼飼料而且成本也降低啊所以這部分我希望說這個速度能夠快一點把日本那套經驗把它學習我想我的目標是第一個能夠在台灣生產大概七八月看看可不可以新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
7217.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
一些飼料供應啦所以我想我們會針對現在目前的全順就是苗栗的共同政治中心做轉型那有一部分現在在申請這個原來申請共同政治中心的九個案子我們再跟他洽談有沒有意願轉成如果有必要我可以邀請這個部長相關同仁一起去日本再去看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
7242.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
因為我跟農業署長只是一些這個聽他們專家寫者他們的意見或者一些分析沒有去市場看對我很樂意再邀請委員去裡面現場看我可以排類似的考察好下一個問題就是石斑魚產業石斑魚目前的價格怎麼樣那個署長石斑魚我這個可以請那個好署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
7266.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
各位委員報告我們18年現在一年產量大概1萬7到1萬8千公頓那主要市場還是仰賴這個活魚的輸出到香港跟大陸所以你市場過度集中在中國跟香港有華人的包括印尼、馬來西亞、新加坡這個都是我們潛在市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
7266.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
7293.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
跟委員報告這絕對是所以我們現在從去年開始就在開發這種多元市場像美加現在的華人超市裡面其實對我們石斑魚的切片的產品他們也有高度的興趣所以我們目前政策上就是希望我們石斑魚未來也可以做這種計畫性的生產然後養比較大規格的那取肉率比較高這是你現在在處理的方式嘛是那 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
7294.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
7312.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
以現在來看你處理的方式並沒有達標嘛比如說我們石斑魚石斑活魚出口的量減少了將近10%價格跌的將近16%跟委員報告是但是在今年在1、2月今年初1、2月其實它已經有回穩回來了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
7313.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
7323.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
但是過度集中在這個大陸跟香港其實就是要求漁業署要趕快把這個市場分散化是是是要拿出具體的這個做法然後你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
7325.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
7350.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
建立一個指標一個目標值所以每次問你們都還是一樣集中在香港跟中國這個部分你們也想怎麼做呢我跟委員報告就是我在今年跟去年基本上我在日本市長的時候我們已經啟動了一個類似計劃性生產因為在日本裡面有很多餐廳其實我們是進到餐廳的系統那餐廳的系統它需要一定規格的也不能太大 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
7351.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
7369.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
所以我們現在跟業者在做這樣的一個看看有沒有媒合變成一個類似計劃性生產然後去供應日本市場的這個餐廳系統類似這樣的方式才有機會去拉出去好 了解接著請教一下糯農 糯農產業如果阿爾簽訂之後對糯農產業一定會造成衝擊嘛那怎麼樣去協助糯農產業能夠扶植能夠振興那個農業部有沒有相關的政策我想第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
7381.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
7401.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
先跟委員說明就是台牛去年零關稅最後結果去年整個牛奶的進口只增加了600多噸而已表示說我們過去的愛用國產鮮乳還是喜歡用國產鮮乳所以我們在總量管制牛級管理的前提之下我們會加強國產乳的行銷可是相對的價格沒有優勢啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
7402.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
7424.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
對,但是價值是有優勢的,就是它的品質有優勢沒錯,但是如果景氣不好,大家就啊,一個乳品相對找一個替代性的,或者是它的成本價格比較低的,這個替代效果就會產生我跟委員報告,就是現在很多就是手搖飲店,就是這些東西,我們有大量的牛奶都用鮮奶的,以前都是用冰磚奶 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
7426.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
7435.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
所以這個部分我們跟很多協會一起合作在推國產乳進到不同的市場你應該響應政府應該代表響應就是說要鼓勵國人多飲用國產鮮乳所以我現在準備在高鐵跟台鐵的車站裡面買一些看板變成台灣鮮乳唯一選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
7448.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
7454.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
下次如果你再來立法院,我再買幾瓶鮮乳我們一起來推廣國產鮮乳因為時間關係,趙偉應該要帶頭做示範謝謝,有相關的問題再跟您請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
7782.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
7809.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
7846.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
7862.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
好 請備詢官員先入座請農業部的備詢官員儘速入座好 我們再繼續質詢 下一位質詢請鄭天才委員 |
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7875.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
7892.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
主席有請部長請農業部陳部長部長好辛苦了首先呢這個針對這個馬拍安溪淹社府 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
7894.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
7907.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這個要謝謝這個農業部林業署這個當然我一直在這個要求農業部要積極農業林業署要積極的去這個霸體的一個處理所以我們從12月28號去年12月28號的菸涉福的這個面積狀況跟到今年的3月9號這個菸涉福的霸體都已經開挖解 |
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7923.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
7937.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
然後現在這個水只有目前的不到一公尺在你們的資料是這樣寫的請問一下這個水會只要有下雨水就會流出去嗎 |
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7939.333 |
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7958.578 |
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我第一個跟委員報告現在降溫了以後大概現在去的量是2.6萬公頃然後如果持續下雨的話水會自然的透過這個缺口但是一個非常重要的就是因為它兩岸還有將近2.4億的地方的土塊如果雨太大導致山坡的這些土下來的時候 |
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或者是地震造成這些崩塌的時候可能會再形成二次的映射弧所以我們不能掉以輕心我們會持續的去做監控這個後續你們要後續要繼續的不能再出面對我想我們會我們幾乎每天都有航拍的飛機我知道包括無人機的部分包括衛星航道的部分去做監測非常謝謝 |
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那這個有關相關的復原重建這個按照這個特別條例你們也訂了一個復原重建的辦法相關的這些啟動這個馬太安摘棲農業生產環境重建的專案 |
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也輔導農民農田的復耕相關的這些你們也用書面報告把已經的一個成果能夠提出來書面報告給我好接下來 |
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這裏面當然包括這個包括這個相關的這些農民健康保險的農業之災包括這個受災農保備保險細保這個都一樣為了時間關係就把比較詳細的一個目前完成的部分提供書面資料我會提供書面資料給委員好那我們接著談 |
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川普關稅大家都很清楚我們也特別訂了特別條例也有特別預算但是這個美國最高法院又裁定違法這個接著美國又寄出這個301條款台灣成為這個是媒體報導台灣成為最大的受難者 |
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在這樣的一個前提之下對於農業的部分農業的部分這個請農業部這個詳細的檢視從原來的這個我們跟他們的協議到後來的最高法院的裁定違法到現在又寄出這個301條款對 |
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農業的部分的影響影響的部分也能夠提出比較詳細的報告可以嗎我簡單的跟委員說明就是整個ART的本身的簽約我們分兩個部分一個是內容的部分那內容部分我們認為我們所簽訂的是跟農業有關的它是對農業來講是一個新的機會跟契機不管是外銷我們有比較好的外銷的競爭優勢然後對於 |
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進口的部分我們針對主要的261項豁免的這個項目也能夠確保我們糧食安全那第二個部分是法律面的問題就是說整個R的本身簽約本身的法律授權的IEPA的部分在美國判定是失效的部分那美國政府現在正在尋求相關的法律的制度看看你們這樣處理 |
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他現在是用122的暫時的這些條例那現在的暫時的10加MFN的這樣子的一個機制我們至少比去年好去年是20加MFN那現在是10加MFN而且 |
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你的書面報告我也有看啦這個部分我想我們立足點競爭力是比較好他又一直在變動中嘛所以我想我們在變動中我們一定會求及時的這些最新的資訊然後也隨時會做新的一個產業衝擊的一個分析 |
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這個在你的報告裡面也有提到要成立300億元的農安基金是這個部分你們是要修法嗎我想這個部分第一個部分就是在特別額度裡面什麼時候要開始編列這個預算 |
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沒有 我們現在目前編列了181特別預算裡面編列181就是可以去處理一些外銷的部分那未來如果台美關稅抵定了以後這個農安基金它是屬於一種計畫型的基金那所需的經費我們會在特別額度裡面所剩餘的這些的經費去做調整部長 因為你要成立一個基金基本上過去的這個整個 |
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案例或是法例都會透過一個 |
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你要成立一個基金農安基金或是你們也有其他的基金沒有我跟委員報告我們是一個計劃型的基金他不是一個像農發農損農債的基金那計劃型就像養豬百億基金這樣子那這個基金本身我們的經費會用特別額度預算裡面的經費然後放在我們原來的農發農損的基金裡面去支應原來是這樣好那我了解好接下來 |
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最後一個議題了這個請那個一夜暑跟那個林保暑林夜暑嗎?現在名稱林保暑一夜暑署長署長不在嗎?署長這個開會期間林保暑開會期間不能隨便離席 |
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8307.64 |
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現在有委員質詢說你不在這樣不好好 這個野生動物保育法這個法律已經很久了這個第21條之一寫得很清楚原住民族基於其傳統文化即以後非營利之用而有獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物指標者不受這幾條野保法的規定的限制 |
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我們從第一計畫到最後一計畫都沒有提到說原住民族第七喔都沒有提到接下來這個五十一條之一也是一樣也沒有提到他只有談原住民族原住民族而且還提的但所是違反者不法都會欺原住民的人口 |
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已占全体原住民人口达到52.63%这个是有涉户籍的如果加上没有涉户籍然后在都会期就学就业的绝对是达到70%以上好我们看这个原住民俗基本法第23条也规定 |
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政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式也就是他會遷移他會工作或是就業就寫都會遷移我們看海洋基本法第三條政府應怎麼樣怎麼樣然後要保障維護各族群之海洋權益海洋權益各族群之海洋權益 |
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然後第十條規定保障傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益十六條規定一百零八年十一月二十號公布施行之後兩年內要修相關法例沒有修的話第二項規定要解釋可以透過解釋所以因為主席已經站起來了最後一句話 |
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請參考106年6月23日有關一頁法第44條第一項的解釋令依海洋基本法 |
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依海洋基本法跟漁業法然後做解釋包含完全一樣你只要把那個原住民族地區這幾個字拿掉也就是包含了都會區你要加都會區這幾個字更好 |
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第一個我想我們已經針對這個法例已經解釋過那您所提到這個個案這個是早期的現在因為海洋基本法108年新公佈施行的好不好 |
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我想我們會尊重原住民的傳統文化但是相關的這些補高一定要去認定是傳統文化而不是說私製的亂補所以這個部分我想我們會慎重的考慮當然當然好不好謝謝謝謝鄭天亮委員鄭委員你最後一句話講了二十句話部長先回座這個列席的這個官員這個不要隨意離席因為有委員隨時會質詢 |
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8508.287 |
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好 下一個諮詢 請謝一鳳委員謝謝主席 我想要請陳部長請農業部陳部長委員好 |
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陳部長早安我想要請問就是說你有提到說要追溯就是說調整天然災害的救度額度那針對氣候變遷所導致的研發性的災損那這個部分我們目前智慧化的APP它勘災的準確率為何因為你知道嗎它是延遲性的災損那是否能夠讓智慧化的APP能夠適用它的勘災 |
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8547.74 |
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第一個跟委員報告就是天氣型的財損跟災害型的財損我們陸續都一直在公告能夠減少勘災但是你所提到的一個重點就是所謂的延遲性的部分但是延遲性的部分以現在的科學技術它在某一個時間點才能夠判斷舉個例子現在芒果開花開得很漂亮但是它可能以後會落果所以現在目前延遲性的災損是沒有辦法用 |
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8575.302 |
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智慧化的APP嗎?對,用美版好像智慧化的APP但是我想我們的改良廠都會持續的關注然後會在第一時間如果說它的確會造成後續的延遲性災損的時候我們會儘早的去公告好,那再麻煩就是說我們全部的那個改良廠對於延遲性的災損要特別的注意好不好?因為有時候不會在第一時間 |
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8613.907 |
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有有顯現嗎而是在就是災害的之後才會一兩個月以後才會我想我們改良廠的同仁都在這邊廠長都在這邊他們應該聽得到好好要麻煩就是要特別注意這個部分還有第二點就是現在 |
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8614.668 |
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8633.549 |
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我們知道中東的衝突不斷那全球的肥料市場都面臨了供應鏈斷鏈的風險因為荷姆茲海峽它就是承載了三分之一的這樣子全球的肥料那我想要請問那台灣 |
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8634.79 |
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8647.133 |
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我們肥料會不會有問題那肥料價格如何因為現在全球的安價液態安價有失控的情況那會不會導致於我們肥料價格飆升 |
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我第一個謝謝委員對我們農民所需的肥料的一個關心那根據我們現在目前所掌握的資訊包括庫存還有在海上的這些肥料在運肥料原料的船我們的蛋肥的部分至少可以供應到8月甲肥的部分可以供應到10月然後磷礦的部分可以到12月那其他的磷肥可能到10月的部分所以再到半年的時間應該沒有問題但是我們不了解中東戰爭會持續多久 |
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那其實台灣的肥料的一個來源是多元化的我舉個您剛才說的義安的部分我們義安上半年特別在三月之前都是從中東進來的最後一艘船其實在中東戰事發生前就出來了那上半年是從馬來西亞跟 |
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8712.598 |
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馬來西亞跟印尼的部分是來源所以它不會跟中東有影響所以我們多元化的這些採買的這個國家可以讓我們更有韌性但是不可諱言的中東站是如果造成整個運輸的費用提高的時候那勢必會影響到肥料的價格 |
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8734.912 |
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那我想在COVID-19的這個過程中也遇到這種很艱鉅的運費高漲的部分那我們農業部一定秉持照顧農民的角度我想這個部分的價差我們一定會向行政院來呈報希望由政府來吸收這個價差要吸收嘛 對不對我想我們一定會去爭取對 我們會來爭取因為那個義安的價格它是國際的價格嘛 |
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8740.755 |
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8761.106 |
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不只是議案啦 我覺得比較擔心的是運費因為能源短缺運費變貴的時候造成成了成本上漲的時候那如果導致後續導致肥料可能會提高的時候我想我們會關注然後如果需要政府來協助我們一定義不容辭 |
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8761.846 |
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8778.24 |
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好那這個部分要麻煩注意喔就是要控制我們肥料的價格因為不然的話農民還是非常擔心我想我們一定會盡努力去做所以半年內是沒有問題的嗎是不是那是半年之後還要再後續再做觀察我們每個禮拜都會去盤點 |
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8779.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
8789.05 |
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好 那就ART的部分我想請教一下因為去年我們就是說對於2025的這個 |
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8814.416 |
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的那個花生喔就是花生的部分就是去年已經都就是關於進口配額內的都已經就是開標了嘛對不對對已經開標了今年的部分都已經開標了對那問題是因為如果未來就是說就是零關稅可是目前國內的花生的這個產量已經 |
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8844.16 |
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就是說因應這個進口的這個都已經很多了我看到的是大概有12,290噸喔那還有就是農民他們也就是配合美國關稅去年美國關稅那就是我們也有按照那個美國關稅的這也跟農民收購所以導致今年的這個收購都已經都非常多那今年內應該還會不會再進口花生呢 |
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8871.533 |
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我第一個跟委員報告過往的花生都是從印度進來比較多大概6000多噸然後還有巴西阿根廷巴西佔了將近90%那美國的只進口調製的花生只有75噸但是不可諱言如果這個ART本身的內容後續還維持著的時候那相對的美國的價可能因為過往都沒有這個脫殼花生但是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
8885.944 |
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我們也評估了如果他從美國進來的時候那個價格會比國產的還低可能會造成某個程度的影響會造成國產的花生的影響但是我要跟委員報告就是我覺得 |
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8910.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
臺灣的農業後續的不能再用價格去跟國際來競爭因為我們的成本都比較高的所以我們要變成用價值來做競爭表示說用品質跟我們的品牌來做區隔所以後續我想我們會趁這個機會去調整整個花生的產業結構我不要再讓農民自己在道路上曬花生 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
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我想我們會台灣的花生很好吃你有沒有吃過對 是很好吃有它的香味我可以送你我們那個彰化的花生超級好吃對 所以我說台灣的花生有台灣的潛力那供應國內市場我希望說帶動這樣的一個品牌跟它的品質然後利用這種就是私甲的收購的方式取代過去乾甲因為乾甲的部分農民要自己在道路上馬路上曬花生嘛這個都是四五十年前一直延續的你講的是未來嘛你講的是未來對 我們現在都在啟動了 |
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今年應該不會再進口 因為今年的國內的都很多了我們也要趁這個機會去改善我知道 我說那是未來嘛 今年內不會再進口因為今年內的財量已經很多了 因為它額度已經飆了它不會說放棄這個額度的權利金而去採買美金那明年就是要怎麼樣子協助我們台灣的農民嗎對 所以我說今年就要啟動這種新的這樣的一個調整的方式 |
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還有再來就是另外一個就是豬肉的問題如果美國主委領關稅的時候 |
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委員我想你一定喜歡吃台灣豬不會只是美國豬因為美國豬肉只佔全體消費的1%其實我想大部分的豬農都不用擔心因為整個豬肉的自給率大概是平均大概88去年比較低是83因為非洲豬瘟的關係所以溫體豬肉跟豬肉的供應的型態台灣其實已經有它的黏著度所以美國要進來第一個要打敗加拿大那很難因為加拿大佔40% |
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所以他必須要跟競爭對手國競爭以後才有機會影響到國內所以我想委員可以不用擔心豬肉的問題我還是很擔心啊我怎麼可能不擔心我還是很擔心國產豬啊你只要每天吃台灣豬肉就不會有問題啊你如果帶頭吃台灣豬肉就沒問題啊我有啊我常吃豬肉我已經天天吃豬肉了好謝謝好 謝謝非常謝謝 謝謝部分委員部長請先回座消費資源請陳超明委員 |
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主席好首先有請我們農業部我們的陳部長陳部長好首先請教你一個問題根據去年114年4月10日的時候剛好是美國關稅的問題 |
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那時候我們的政府提出了應用美國關稅政策以維持我國農業企業及關鍵產業競爭力的協助措施報告那這個方案裡面農業部編列了191元投資強化韌性照顧農漁民支持的一個方案 |
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那這裡面的方案來一遍有針對著我國是美國最主要的產品像是蘭花、毛豆、茶葉還有洋芋葉相關的關鍵知識來協助我們的產業因應近期國際經貿情勢的變化 |
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並持續加強糧食安全的韌性提升產業的應變能力那我要問你你這190億元花完了沒有還沒有還沒有還剩多少我想我們現在目前花了70億左右70億左右好台灣的廠商應變能力怎麼樣 |
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我覺得非常好好在哪裡我想我們從貿易的角度來看毛豆的部分因為當時的關稅32後來降到20但是比我們的因為台美的貿易關稅對等關稅要看絕對關稅跟競爭對手國的關稅以毛豆來講我們比中國還好所以我們的市場擴大了因為我們關係比美國更好他們希望不買中國的產品不是我們競爭能力比別人強 |
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9186.026 |
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我自己要了解一下不要自我捧當然有進步最好我想委員關心農業應該對臺灣的農產品要有信心啦我是支持 我是很有信心的在這裡 |
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那現在又一個問題來了那美國關稅的新制在122條款之中啊它裡面全球後面農業的項目有230項但是根據報告這230項的農業產品裡面後面台灣沒有一樣能做有茶葉 |
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9234.745 |
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茶葉有嘛 茶葉我們是高單價的沒有 茶葉我們銷到美國佔比是30%所以換句話說 其實茶葉來講對我們的茶農本身在銷美的時候是有絕對的一個優勢所以南瓜那些都沒有了南瓜是沒有的我們這個高產值既是密集的都沒有我還要跟委員報告 |
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9258.717 |
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現在10,那每個國家都10,那個競爭力是一致的那就是要看我們的品質再來裡面他有特定提到一個產品,就是醫療相關的農產品用於製造藥品植物原料在,我覺得這個地方你要去研究一下 |
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生技的產品 食物 藥用的產品 應該去加強看台灣能不能找出一個機會 中藥 中藥中國 台灣的藥我先問一下 關於是保健食品啊不是保健食品 他講那個植物啊 農產品啊當然是保健食品我們再來了解 |
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好不好 好 我們再來了解再來 我要跟你宣告老農津貼 賴總統下去之後我們提高到一萬塊好像很照顧農民 農民不一定是貧窮的人這種裡面就代表他從八千一百一十元老農津貼十三年沒有調整 現在要調整到一萬元對不對 |
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你只要調整到一萬年,你只要給多少?一百二十九億一千八百九十億沒有,一百二十九億吧一百二十九億啊不是啦,我曉得一百二十九億,我說調的啦,你先八千一百十塊,調到一萬塊,給一千八百九十塊我給你建議有兩個方案,要做就做得漂亮,人家會給你額外這地方我覺得調得太少 |
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你不只把它調到一萬一百元就要給兩千塊少買幾顆飛彈就有了不然你要做得更好我告訴你 |
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調到一萬一千一百一十元都是一一一一定讚一定好我看農民街道的反省選票會更多就要給三千塊你看喔這個市值很奇怪一一一一起來你看有漂亮喔我覺得要調到一萬一千塊 |
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我要跟委員報告每條高一千塊要增加六十三億的這些國庫的一個支出那我們設計這樣子的一個金額是根據CPI的部分我們用專業的角度去評估而不是用其他的角度去評估今天幾顆飛彈就有了今天幾顆農民的支持很重要是你們基本的力量我還是希望委員能夠支持一定贊 |
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希望委員能夠支持我們農業部的一個專業的一個評估啦我自己建議啦再來這個排富條款裡面大家一直在談那個人所有土地及房屋財產這方面真的要改善啦你們到現在都沒有動作我們已經全部排富了喔 |
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9421.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9439.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
我們全部排富了唯一自住宅本來四百萬嘛現在都變了現在完全都拿掉了都拿掉了對那往來的其他的財產我都唯一自住的全部拿掉了然後財產的部分從五百萬變成一千零二十五萬我現在繼續講兩年物流我講過幾次苗栗縣政府投資一億 |
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連土地自己買了營業你們姚市長我也請教了好幾次全力以協助幫忙會照你們的計畫來進行這個新的計畫我覺得姚市長很有觀念我們會教你來做我們是第一個照你們新的計畫來做我希望部長全力的支持請位上我想 |
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9485.713 |
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我們的同仁去看標識我會支持啦然後第二點就是說相對的一定是要後續要去請到苗栗縣政府要考慮蓋好以後的怎麼樣去營運才重要營運競爭力都很重要營運很重要啦 |
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9516.139 |
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這個我有信心苗栗縣政府會做得很好所以相對的他們提出來的報告我們會請他們再修正因為我常舉苗栗縣是最後一棟的冷面物流當作你們實驗這個做得好以後照這個方式來說就一定會成功我想我們冷面物流在各個地方都已經做了蠻多的我們已經很有經驗然後我們也看到其實很多重要的後續的營運主體才是重點所以我們一直希望苗栗在蓋的時候 |
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9538.671 |
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規劃的時候就要把營運主體先選定我們後面做的把前面的缺點都把他棄職掉後面有的拜託部長拜託廖司長我是今天要講喔企業的人都說好結果蓋好以後那個營運主體出了問題我跟你們講那要企業要進行這點我很認同你們的看法跟觀點好不好再來你報告的第11頁裡面強化 |
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9542.728 |
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9555.014 |
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漁業產業的韌性及資源永續的利潤我看了一條很重要的就是你們準備在116年一定以苗栗專化 |
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9576.902 |
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近岸的那個近岸的風場裡面協調設置一支吊一夜示範兩次輔導成立那裡面是在哪裡苗栗彰化苗栗就在龍鳳漁港它是我們離岸風力第一座的示範地區對不對這很重要喔為什麼呢 |
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9580.711 |
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9597.564 |
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因為現在發覺漁獲量都增加了很多而且是大條的像他們這一年裡面的收穫都非常的好所以醫資調的成立啊我們王市長要特別拜託我一定要了解也請部長支持 |
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我一定支持因為風場它會影響到我們的資源那微網的部分是很難去處理所以開發這個一支釣的部分讓魚比較不會受傷讓它的單價變高我希望說漁民透過這個方式能夠提高他的收入那YES我真的要稱讚你你能想到這個地方 |
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9619.077 |
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9635.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
我那邊還有一個非常台灣最大的砍鍋班的社區在成立而且都已經在運作了我們縣政府還調了150萬給我們砍鍋的那些是那些塑膠板的那些出黨的我跟你們申請了好幾次都不給 |
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9636.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9648.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
然後我就到縣政府拜託我縣長他說好沒有問題這事只能讓你仔細去做只需要三分鐘拜託一下做一下不然我壓力很大我簡單說就好了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
9667.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
我的壓力很大所有的看護班 到現在移植掉龍鴻漁港的那個那個什麼不是定置網 定置網好像是在通宵跟厭雨的地方我們那邊有兩個定置網還有龍鴻漁港 |
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9672.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
9687.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
那個漁獲直銷中心明天要去看剛好結合在一起非常好龍鳳漁港在苗栗不算大但是全省排名第八名我們有信心進到全三名只有部長支持我們這個龍鳳漁港的直銷中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
9691.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
9716.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
我想農會漁港的折銷中心我們已經提供一些經費做一些規劃但是我們也是要去提醒規劃歸規劃但是相對的折銷中心後面怎麼樣讓業者漁民這些攤販能夠進來我覺得這是非常重要的我那個交通地點非常好人才齊備在那邊都是覺得最新最好的方式來進行明年會館我會親自到我對這個很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
9719.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
9725.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
因為我為了龍鴻漁港我開了一個將近十億的道路直接聯絡到那一邊好不好 |
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9726.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
9737.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
不然我要部長點頭,王市長你點頭,我幫你倒線還有縣裡漁港的那個拋沙幾十年都沒有辦法解決,拜託給他這都要補這麼大條那風波砂不需要去挖掘,這樣幾十年都沒有辦法改觀廣告就可以處理了啦 |
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9750.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
9771.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
假使有什麼管路委會去處理,我會免得吵吵他,我後面找你順勢好不好?好,謝謝陳上面委員精彩的質詢,但你也讓我站得腳都麻了部長請回座,下一個質詢請郭國文委員謝謝主席,有請陳部長請農業部陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
9779.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
9797.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
部長好 部長對於這一個極端氣候然後台南又是水庫最多的地方然後現階段很多農民都是非常肯定那個部長的這一個擴大灌區的一個政策那就報告當中其實農場的部分有31件那本期的選區就通過9件 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
9825.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
但是這個部分以前在農場的這個部分的清淤都是以具有公益性與否來作為判斷的標準這個基本上本席是同意所以我們多戶使用水管是不是外接這OK但是其實對我們之前對農民的一些蓄水或灌水的設施都有予以補助甚至包括水塔、滴灌還有灑水設施等等從四成五甚至到八成都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
9826.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
9849.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
可是同樣的這一個要解決水的問題私人農場的部分就面臨很大的問題部長私人農場他自己要處理土方你也知道現在土方很難處理那要填寫很多的表格在行政作業上成本非常的高所以我說請部長再思考一下如何把這個擴大關區能夠真正落實的話除了工藝性的考量 |
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| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
私人農場的部分也可以解決農民的問題來比照水塔設施的購買方式來予以一些政策上的補助或者行政上的協助 部長謝謝委員一直在關心這個議題那我們也非常認真的去思考相關的 特別是公私人的農場農台的部分 |
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9868.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
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那這個部分本來我們是以公益農場為優先嘛那市內農場我們現在我有請農政水保署這邊在設計用什麼當然不能完全比照公益的啦所以我們會去了解它的樣態到底需要的協助包括這些必要的普查是需要的必要的部分我們會做一個調查以後再來處理因為幾年水庫常常缺水這是很諷刺的事情嘛大家說農場的做下去我們家的為什麼不行 |
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對不對 我認同議員說的我們的水資源很重要不能給本席一個答覆好不好 一個月嘛一個給本席答覆 你要怎麼去協助 輔導 政策 補助該給的要給 |
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該面對要面對 另外一個部分當然還有一個擴大灌區的一種就是水池 蓄水池的部分我這個部分12座啦 已經完成完工3座目前呢 還有後面還有5加4但5的在施工中 還有4座但4座的部分 當然早期我們實驗室在南溪的這個部分有些是後面是要預警 然後還有南化 還有大內這些東西你們在尋找地點的時候 你稍微探聽一下啦 |
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不然東東北已經很多地方,你再用一個蓄水池,那邊際效益沒大嘛,對不對?你不可以停電,說他要清除,這不是電費條耶,對啊,這要花很多錢耶部長我想後續齁,就是第一個部分就是地點的規劃,我想我們後續會更跟委員討論,因為委員在地方在走動可能更清楚齁 |
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第二個部分這五座的部分我們做合併發包大概在11月就能夠完工啦我知道但是後面四座的部分選址要很清楚了解而且四座選址完以後六甲好到修補了解那我說你現在只有12座第二階段要幾座你也要地方要講一下 |
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好 這個部分我想我們後續會跟委員來溝通 看看哪個地方是最好的最有效率的 這樣能達到公民的需求你不要像公共要採人頭門 靠你來採輪這個我們會注意 這個才是真的需要公益性的考量另外一個部分 那個我想署長後面也在跟你搖耳朵那個漲水工很重要啦 我們的灌溉海上 因為灌溉海上漲水工 |
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我為了高百姓才這麼聰明啦你知道他們每天在看福利一直增加啦基本工資每天調啦這個數十年才調兩百啦對啦也沒有底薪啦部長人很難找啦要是你找不到薪水工你沒有把他基本的保障建立起來你會很麻煩啦 |
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我跟威恩報告針對展翠工的部分第一線的工作其實我們已經有在規劃相關的怎麼樣去調整他的薪資的結構啦那這個部分因為薪資結構不是用業務費的人去處理啦所以我們也會再去跟人總這邊看看怎麼樣有錢到有錢要打零工嘛要把它制度化嘛好不好這個我們已經在規劃了其實面對這個問題啦這個勞動力不可缺啊 |
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特別在第一線的我們一定要保障那這個一個月給本席還有一個很重要的事情 最近本席到這一個山區你看看中央兩行 除了芒果還有冰蛋都出問題芒果第一個問題是早期的這個佐果率不到五成空包蛋比例非常的高有一縮是人工造語所造成的 |
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每年都有人工躁瘀的問題因為它的花就變黑了 我想平時的花就變黑了就不會結枝了然後呢 這裡頭有幾個嘛一個時間差 一個是地面差還有一個是藥劑成分可以做調整為什麼每年都遇到這個問題部長 我們要解決這個問題啊否則我們每年勘災勘災不完啦 這是第一個第二個是文旦的這個部分文旦去年風災非常的嚴重 以及於果樹的根部鬆動所以今年喔 |
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那個根本沒有開什麼文旦花咧文旦花很久沒開咧這兩大作業嘛牽扯到佐果率這個節食率的問題可能減少有風險部長你要去面對啊我有一份報告特別說芒果跟文旦的保溫因為它今年的開花的部分有些不如預期嘛但是 |
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開發本身的結果率更重要啦所以我已經要求我們的改良團要隨時去掌握這個現況如果儘早能夠確認它可能會影響的話就要儘早去處理現在3月中現在就預估我們3月是必要的時候我們一起去會看一下還有一個就是說每次拿到這一個天然災害補助一段都要等半天以上啊看有什麼方式沒縮短不然你一開始補助我們要被問半年對啊 |
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我們針對氣象型的災損的品項 我們一陸續在開這兩點問題事後給本席一個答覆 找個時間我們下去看一下謝謝部長 謝謝主席 謝謝謝謝郭國勇委員 部長先回座消費資源請賴瑞榮委員好 謝謝趙偉 請陳部長請農業部陳部長 |
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部長我先請教一下現在因為總預算遲遲沒有審那也沒有通過那現在大概估起來應該會有90億會無法來運用那這個90億無法運用的話會不會造成重大的一些影響 |
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我要跟委員說明一下雖然說檯面上看起來是90億不能運用但是新興計畫跟延續計畫之間有非常重要的串聯性你不能說選擇性的同意我們一些治水的那基本的那個底如果不通過的時候我們對農民的這些基礎建設的一些協助是沒有辦法去處理的所以這樣整個總影響大概會超過多少的 |
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我覺得至少要四、五倍啦四、五倍實際的金額來講九十億看起來是九十億但是有可能是四、五百億的影響因為很多地方的建設它的經費因為我不可能因為後面我新增要做的因為不能做我可能前面也會受到影響因為到底這樣的進行會受到影響 |
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對所以我們還是期待就是說總預算不能選擇性的通過一定要有問題我們願意在委員會這邊跟委員做溝通部長這個也要不斷的對外說明因為其實包括地方的農民包括地方所有的重大的建設都一直在等待這些那個那建設其實是國家整體一體的啦那如果遲遲的卡住的話 |
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因為立法院沒有省預算辭職而卡住那讓整個整個建設地方的一些受到影響的話我想這個大家並不樂見所以我覺得這個要不斷的讓社會科學說而且最後其實總的責任職任團隊會面臨到相當大的壓力那為什麼不能做那我再問一下如果這些總預算只是我辭職都沒有通過的話我們還有什麼樣的手段可以來做 |
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我想我們是毫無手段特別是我舉個例子沒有手段我們現在目前本身的養豬有沒有轉型的部分我們在去年非洲豬瘟的時候還缺了一些十幾億的錢那這個十幾億的錢一定會用到災損金或第二預備金那總預算不能通過的話災損金第二預備金都不能用這個呢 |
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也沒辦法先動用不能先動用這個就是一個很大的一個很實際的案例所以我還是希望大院這邊如果這個沒辦法動用的話會實質上是什麼樣的影響我想沒辦法動用的時候相對的這個轉型本身 |
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走到一半就會卡住了因為後續我想我們政府對於農民的承諾一定是在的我們本來是要明年完全要完成年底就要完成全部都改成是不能夠再走廚餘的程度特別是大家關心的租價的問題如果說沒有一些穩定的措施的時候那個租價是沒辦法維持的 |
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所以租價甚至於甚至於也會增加還有其他的產交調節的部分很多委員關心的產交調節的部分如果沒有經費到位的時候是沒辦法處理的所以這幾個問題恐怕請部長都要再加強對外說明同時也加強跟委員間的溝通我覺得整體 |
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國家是一體的所以大家對農民的照顧都是一體的那不要因為這些因素而影響到整個農業的發展我們預算很樂意跟委員在委員會討論溝通但是也希望說能夠至少副委讓我們有機會去說明好 再來我請教一下這個最近的雨量的問題讓大家擔憂高雄遇到大概70年來的最低的降雨量那我先問一下部長這個灌溉上面會不會有問題瓶身用水會不會有問題 |
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我想我們因為冬雨跟春雨這邊現在目前看起來降雨的量非常少那南部的地區本身因為一期做用水量最大的風期已經過了但是我們不能釣魚清新因為還有一些波地的果樹需要一些雨來滋潤所以我們所以現在初步上是第一期是過了但是後面還是要審慎的應應就對了對 審慎的那部長有沒有什麼樣的一些方案如果萬一接下來比如說到了 |
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清明這段時間的狀況仍然不好的狀況下作那布裡面有沒有什麼一些我想我們現在已經啟動了那個抗案水井那我們也會準備了一些抗案的車特別在紅桃水壁人需要水的時候我們可以來做一些協助然後利用一些區排在回收的水所以我們有很多多元的這個抗案的作為我們會同步來所以這個無論怎麼樣狀況不會讓整個受到影響 |
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我想我們會盡量的去保住用這樣的一個方式也有提前因應我們做了最壞的一些狀況因為大自然的氣候不是我們特別現在極端氣候真的異常所以變成不是我們的決定但是我們要做萬全的一些準備我們在2月3號跟經濟部水利署已經成立了應變小組我們隨時每個禮拜在監控水情然後去討論怎麼樣去讓我們的農民的用水能夠達到他們的需求 |
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好 這個請部長再密切的保持注意了那再來我請教一下這一次我們其實日本的東京食品展部分加速有減少過去的時候曾經最多有到十幾家那今年只到11家那跟預算有關係嗎 |
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我想這跟預設沒關係吼那這基本上就是東京食品展像今年吼我們有一個台灣館那台灣館本身的造型吼吸引很多外來客來看到然後有15個縣市共同展出所以我們未來吼希望說農業部主辦的台灣館可以跟各縣市結合在一起我覺得這是一個好的模式吼因為我們要整個整體行銷台灣那所有的各縣市進到台灣館內 |
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有這樣來做因為從以前不管是觀光各方面的我覺得這樣的都會達到最大效益我也希望趁著這幾年剛好日本對台灣也非常友善的時候那我們用台灣管的方式把我們各縣市好的農產品集體行銷出去對特別是在這次東京食品展那個高雄市也特別準備了非常多的這些農特產品那我覺得我看到很多 |
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潛在的業者買者啦都有去詢問這個部分我覺得這個是非常好的日本我覺得是最這幾年來包括美國日本啦特別日本我覺得是非常好的一個打入日本市場的一個機會啦那我希望在接下來農業部也要加大這個力道啦就是加大行銷的力道加大整個這些的力道讓我們台灣的 |
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不只是高雄 台灣好的農產品能夠進到日本的市場去我覺得這如果奠定下來後應該有很大很大的效益啦會 我們一起來努力我想因為主席本身他自己他太太是日本人 我想他感受應該非常深刻這幾年跟日本的關係非常的好那我想應該把握這樣的機會主席也可以多帶領大家到日本去做行銷啊我認為這個都會達到很好的一個效果 |
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那另外我們的鳳梨其實這幾年我覺得是一個成功的案例以前我們受到中國你看在2014年我們幾乎中國是387日本占12但是到了2024年的時候我們幾乎在日本因為受到中國的影響但是在日本我們已經上到了92我覺得這就是一個很成功的一個例子就是我們進入到了日本市場的時候變成我們就比較不依賴某個單一的市場 |
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那變成不受到一些影響我覺得這樣的例子恐怕為了要持續的大力來推展進到日本的市場我想持續除了日本市場以外那美國其實也有一個蠻潛在的市場他現在已經預告我們的鳳梨可以過去那我接下來問一下部長好了啦 |
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對日本跟對美國我們接下來要拿幾個農產品是未來農業部主力要銷往日本跟美國的我想以現在目前我們關注的是毛豆因為毛豆在美國市場我們比中國還有競爭力可是相對的在日本部分我們的關稅會比中國還高所以我這次去的時候在特別 |
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面到一些關鍵人物的時候我還跟他提說希望關稅能夠適度的下降所以我們在進軍美國的時候也要回防到日本的市場然後還有東南亞特別是澳洲跟紐西蘭的市場也是我們最近幾年其實在努力的還有歐盟的部分包括紅龍果一些部分歷史我希望部長把這些都抓出來因為其實我們很清楚的戰略目標的時候我們就機會打進這幾個市場 |
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把國家的力道加注進去的時候就有機會讓我們農民讓我們的品牌行銷達到更好的效益對 我想我們會努力來做好不好 這請部長再大力來支持啦好 謝謝好 謝謝賴委員謝謝部長 部長請先回座下位之運請丁學忠委員 |
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好 感謝召委我請他當國長是 農業部陳部長部長好委員好 |
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當今年的這個匯金中資選輪到我的時候股東剛好清靠 全體運分連這些都有問題那時候讓我幫你討論剛才談到這個經濟委員會來這裡來跟你討論這兩天 我有向中加軍委員去投口看到我們的善榮的這個基礎海 從看起來 |
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就是這個紅地圖來影響到我們的蒜頭的生長現狀況這麼多我們的蒜頭都已經枯黃它的果都5%的生長就是影響分5%的好消息跟果裡面的關係更小所以等一分之一有可能 |
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如果正常修行有可能修行三千至三千五斤今晚有可能更一千至一千五斤當這個過分我們都會說要怎麼來協助農民 |
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第一點的部分就是說我們的大蒜其實是雲林非常重要的一個產業那在它收成的時候受到一些蟲害紅蜘蛛還有寄馬的影響那這個部分我想因為它還離收成前還有一個月還有機會救就是讓它持續的肥大那改良廠已經成立了一個輔導團隊去協助第二點就是說 |
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相對的今年的面積有增加這是一點那增加的部分本身但是因為我們的產量可能有點減少所以整個的一個價格可能有一部分是去年的大蒜本身還有一些庫存進口的大蒜還有一些庫存那種種的因素導致現在目前的價格不是很穩定特別是這些行口的部分都比較不願意進場所以 |
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以農業部的立場,我不會啟動任何的保駕收購因為保駕收購是一個退步的象徵但是我們會用其他的方式來協助業者協助農民去確保他的一個基本的一個收入跟價格那天我在中心想的是我們胡市長 |
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讓他代表你,在立法院那幾十年那時候議長在那裏,他有給我告證說27 個議員,要來交價收工現在國長,你來推翻到副市長,跟議長在那裏定頭說你來合作農民的公法我跟議員報告 |
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副市長說的保分他基本上不是用保駕收購是政府出名去收的我告訴你保駕收購是政府出名去收的 |
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我的立場我絕對不會啟動保駕收購這個是任何委員或任何人要求都不會但是我會我會跟你請教為什麼你的立場不會這個保駕收購我不會用保駕收購但是我會用其他的方式來協助其他的方式是什麼方式其他的方式我想我們很快就會來宣布我給你 |
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講一個歷史,過去有一個屠刀,在選舉的時候有一個屠刀,屠刀的結果不好,那時候陳其中主委他有發動在這裡,在這裡賺40塊的保鮮收工,他在這裡賺40塊的保鮮收工,為什麼?因為今年我們進口量那麼大, |
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淨酒的運氣還那麼多比較遲到跟銅牌介紹還那麼快結果我們在廣州都賺的不是高價收購我們是用另外一種淨酒我告訴你 你說的土豆是淨酒的事情我告訴你 因為你說起來我告訴你 當年的108年的花生的收購變成花生之亂變成說淨屋在燒的時候 裡面有土角 |
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有已經發霉的花生所以用保駕收工是退補的項目我聽你說這是過去人有這樣做過所以當你的年紀你沒有希望保駕收工我尊重我尊重我也希望你也要想一個進程我們有其他的配套 |
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還有一個最重要,我這幾天一直接到電話,就是農民靠外農民,你告訴我,我們這個未來的收工絕對不可以這個高潮的經濟是要直接到農民那裡,不可以到外鄉那裡 |
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其實我們可以基礎在這個天然災害構造以這個各專屬的面積或是各專屬的面積我們直接下去構造下去在農民那裡我告訴你 我的判斷跟我的最後的奉獻就是讓我們的農民會介紹兩個問題 |
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接下來的問題不是直接給錢給農民啦因為錢給農民就會變成之前的花生之亂所以我會用其他的方式來協助讓這個價格能夠穩定這個措施很快就會公布了這個很快就會公布了不是啊 你要大家討論好事不然像汪汪東東一個人說句話他們起到整個市場大亂 |
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我跟委員報告 我們的該農場農糧署的分數包括我本身 很多農民都有跟我聯絡所以這個部分 我想我們提出來的方案應該可以做一些價格穩定的措施 |
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好,這樣再簽約後,我們如果這個方式最好,市民可以讓我們知道我們會盡快的會公告好,稍後我們依農民的管理委員會,這樣好不好?對,我剛剛說的,一定是照顧我們農民好,好,謝謝好,謝謝林學忠委員,部長先回座 |
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下位質詢請賴會委員好謝謝主席請農業部陳部長還有我們的畜牧師師長兩位都是陳部長不是 |
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部長我想跟你探討一個天然災害的補助經費確實是慢了半拍那這個慢了半拍我還特別再跟你提醒一下我的高粱的一個保險的一個補助這個因為現在也是有一些爭議性那我希望可以加速那請部長撥點時間 |
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去了解一下然後再來針對的就是文旦文旦的那個今年開始到現在的那個櫛花 |
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其實是很不好就在我的選區裡頭也是一樣不管是在那個夏營還是那個其他的一個區域因為這個受到那個去年七月的時候丹納斯颱風的一個影響我想可能連續這個兩三年文旦的一個結花都不會有很好的效果所以我覺得是 |
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要請部長先準備啟動這個天然那個那個溶損災害的一個救助你要先準備起來啦這個以上做這樣的調整那個 部長來我先跟委員補講喔 就是說我們的保安啊 我們的感染地方 每個禮拜都會去看喔現在開會看起來 開會開得不太好但是 |
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我們家的火 火災不好啦因為一歲裡面 它過一六個到兩六個所以很關鍵的是說 它的弱果味跟它的結果率啦所以這個部分 我們的街頭長每個禮拜會去看那如果說有必要會達到一個天然災害的時候就處理弱果跟結果率都不好啦 |
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他會生理落果那生理落果是自然的落果所以一定要等到他真的結束了以後跟你提醒喔我跟你講這個很現實的就是受到 |
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當然是颱風的一個影響這個是一個經驗法則大家不用爭執啦那反正你就是把這個事情列為很重要的一個事情還有就是說今年底是選舉年所有就是本席的選區裡頭的這個龍水路當然我要謝謝龍水署也全力的一個幫忙那我看到的就是說中段呢 |
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多年的這一個迎加南最關鍵的水利工程那個濁幹線跟北幹線的串接的一個計畫其實在3月3號已經正式那個通水了那這個其實對我們農業來講是非常值得一個 |
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那個慶幸的一個真的是一個大事可是在這一些水源裡頭不管是北水南印還是南水北印的一個互相交流的狀況其實用在農業的用水我覺得是有限的倒是這個所有的工業用水我們知道它是迫切需要的所以我就說不要犧牲掉農民成就了工業這個是我要跟部長你做一個提醒的 |
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謝謝委員的提醒那我想以農業部的立場我們一定會確保農業的用水能夠能夠滿足我們農業所需那你農業用水會是優先嗎我想一向在整個的整個的一個政策考慮上一定是農業用水一定優先於工業用水好 部長農業用水優先於工業用水這一向的政策就是這樣子來 部長 |
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整體我國的農業每年的總值大概接近5850億畜牧的總值大概是21060億這個佔農業的總產值大概是34.5%其中養豬是高達850億然後養雞是597億這個排前兩名所有的畜牧產業貢獻非常大 |
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可是如果我們從獨立的二級機構來看的話農糧署還有就是我們的林業保育署還有我們的漁業署還有我們的畜牧師他們所有正式的編制人員一個是626一個是1323然後漁業署是226然後 |
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畜牧這個畜牧師34個你就從這幾個數字裡頭你有沒有看到了就是說畜牧師人力的嚴重不足可是他還是一樣要服務各地的一個畜牧業者你知道畜牧師是所有在你的農業部裡頭 |
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人最少每一次到了會館的時間的時候他常常都是在用餐的一個超過用餐的時間因為人力太少了我們常常需要等到他們等到7點以後8點以後為什麼人力編制不足我們必須要去體諒說他從嘉義縣再趕過來我們台南這一邊 |
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部長今天跟你討論的就是說他的行政管理跟他的產業輔導他永遠都沒有辦法做這麼多的事啊他光是農業上的一個災損的話他就往往就是本分的事情就做不完了 |
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我只是要告訴你說我第一個我非常感謝那位委員就是有關切到這個議題這個議題其實在我上任以後我也發現到很大的差異性啦但是三級單位現在已經滿了全臺灣的行政但是我們還是持續跟部長我跟你講現在兒家屬兒家屬在做調整是不是一併把畜牧師納進來你要去找人事總長來講這個事情我每天早上我都去找他 |
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好 這樣我告訴你 我們做回來差我還是想提醒你一下委員針對花卉創新中心有沒有有你的努力就會成功啦是 好那我也希望就是說部長做我的那個後三我的靠三好不好我要感謝委員看到這個議題然後我們相關的資料我們一定會一起來努力好 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝戴維委員 部長先回座 |
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主席這邊宣告我們今天會議中午不休息延長開會時間到議程處理完畢下位之言請蔡議員好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請農業部部長 |
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部長好部長那3月13號也就是上個禮拜那在這一個雲嘉南的這個灌溉系統就是把濁幹線跟北幹線的一個接管那這個是在蘇貞昌前院長的時候那透過前山基礎建設計畫然後去做這樣的一個接管工程那除了接管之外事實上也增加了很多就是沿線的一個蓄水蓄水的一個系統 |
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那這個是大幅的改善了未來佐水溪叫做有水沒口咱們水口家叫做有口沒水你現在把它串接起來未來整個雲林的水系跟嘉南的一個灌溉水系可以彼此的流用互相支援這可以說是自從嘉南大峻之後 |
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很重要的一個水利工工廠所以柏中你對這個工廠的願望你有怎樣的一些自我的期許對未來怎樣來協助這個農民來擴大他們的灌溉系統嗎委員報告因為 |
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這幾年來 天然災害的頻傳 特別是極端天候常常沒水 所以把這個港頂串接以後 我們的水資源多佔7千多噸這個港頂很重要的就是 一些大基礎大樽路 我們有一部分把它當作蓄水設施 |
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那這樣的話可以調節水資源的韌性啦所以我想這個工程其實當作一個典範那後續我也要求我們的農研水利署在其他的主要的關區要增加蓄水的空間也要同步考量到後續的這些調度的一個問題所以這個叫珍珠串計畫珍珠串 感謝 今天感謝委員啦不然你這次也做不到這案件真的是 |
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對未來的幫助會很大啦但是也因為這樣然後再對應今年因為北京應該都現在都有一些警覺的現在專門水庫現在三月而已他的水量大概40%左右所以水量少到目前為止這個整個冬天就從去年的07 28 |
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那一直到現在幾乎是沒辦法的狀況所以大概是一個非常嚴重的一個冬旱啦這樣子一個嚴重的冬旱如果今年的梅雨是不順的後面就要靠風他會發火 |
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美語都沒有順位,這裡有可能今年會淹水喔所以不斷在今年這個水情的狀況是你現在要開始要注意的感謝委員的提醒,從我們的水災開始我們跟經濟部水利署就成立一個應變小組那農業部本身特別對於高屏地區雲加南地區本身我們也啟動了非常多的這些作為抗汗水井啦抗汗車的準備啦 |
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還有一些區排本身怎麼樣再利用的部分我們有多元的抗案的一個作為我們現在已經準備在做了特別是一些波地有它沒有灌溉水源靠天在流浮的部分可能更多的這些水資源要提供才能夠讓那個果樹順利的開花結果是 所以部長就是我也是在順你剛才說的 |
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因為就是整個冬天都沒水嘛所以現在很多山區齁我們在那邊種那個春茶的對 他們的茶葉整個冬天就是欠水那它們也要靠水啊 沒水所以今年的春茶的一個 |
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產量大概會受到很大的傷害甚至可能會需要農業部來關心所以這點也是覺得不準是不是說您應該說到茶區尤其是我們嘉義這邊大阿里山區的茶區是不是要去大家關心一下 |
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我想我們一定會努力喔特別我們茶蓋廠的本身跟我們農糧署針對茶葉本身喔因為稍微冷一點都沒給人怎麼樣利用這種節水的這些噴罐來協助這個部分我想農水署跟茶蓋廠都會來協助好 可能真的要協助啦再來就是因為我們茶蓋廠的一間廠長也沒有起來我一直持續在關心的就是說我們現在未來我們因為我們我們現在台灣的茶葉嘛大概 |
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海拔都在我們這些試驗站啊都是低海拔的啦所以我們現在台灣就是少了一個高海拔的高山草的試驗站那過去在梅山我們有規劃的這個試驗站那後來 |
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說它的地勢的一個土質的一個問題那我們也願意去盤整新的一個地點然後來做未來的試驗站那大概現在有幾個方向可能是會放在學校的一個校園或者是過去的一些衛生所 |
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我知道說最近縣府有跟茶改產這邊有約要去限定卸糠那如果縣糠起來沒有土質就是說之前的狀況的話部長你會支持我們這樣的一個試驗站嗎高山茶的一個試驗站我覺得一定要支持因為高山茶是梅山是唯一的高海拔的茶區那因為當時的一個規劃因為地質的關係沒有辦法在那邊蓋硬體 |
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所以我們現在選了學校或者是衛生所這邊當作我們的一個試驗基地那這個部分大概三月底大概會有一個初步的一個確認那確認以後我們就會往這個方向去走好所以你說三月底也可以確認啦大概會確認那個時間但是時間也是要換的就存在那一排嘛他們這一兩個禮拜就會上去看了那如果 |
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把他確認之後 後續的行政的一些流程就要麻煩補充 跟幫忙加速啊對 我想有些東西如果需要後續需要嘉義縣政府協助的部分我想我們也會跟嘉義縣政府來討論放心啦 管護家有什麼需求你也跟他說 我來協調一定齁 全力配合啦因為地方的居民對於這樣的一個試驗站是非常的期待 因為高山茶 |
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茶農就是高山的地方就是在我們阿里山區阿里山就是一個最適合的一個地方那我想這個很重要那第二個就是說這個漢堡你也說過很久了啦就是說破住這個肉片市場啦肉片市場當然說 |
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他經過幾次的一個調整那現在大概的方向就是說委由縣政府直接來執行就沒有像過去還要跟這個續產會這邊來來做合作的一個合作經營那未來可能就是用縣政府來執行那中央是補助的一個方式那現在看起來就是說那如果我們照目前的規劃的話他的預算大概還是有不足的地方 |
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這部分 部長你也支持我們 因為在這個罷兵期間 我們過去有就要執行 我們都頂替了他以前的他罷兵就頂替了那我們現在部長 我們現在應該這一個案你們還是繼續支持 那就只差這個預算要把它補足的部分那這個到底什麼時候可以補足呢 |
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我跟委員報告就是在這個禮拜一在政務會議的時候我特別把這個鋪紙的這個塗鴉場的部分在政務會議提到報告裡面那也得到一些行政院的認同跟肯定所以後續我想會隨著國安會的一個審議那經費應該會如這邊所列的大概32億左右的部分去支應所以這個部分我想我們會持續的關切行政院這邊的一個核定的一個時程那我們希望說 |
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已經拖了好多年了嘛那我希望說這個東西能夠盡快的能夠如期的來推動對啦 不然這案子就是很尷尬的就是說因為政策的有一些調整都在拆除之後如果我們在討論過程中我們先讓它繼續營運也許不會有這麼大的民怨因為你把以前的拍賣場拆除涉及到很多人被資遣 |
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那後來因為又有政策的一些調整跟討論這沒有關係 政策難免說是越討論越精進不然畢竟我們這個董事長坐在前面造成這些人他的工作權被支錢了所以我還是希望我們快啦既然希望未來由縣政府來執行整個這個肉品市場的一個開發興建我們也是會快 不然我們現在就是說預算要到位我們才能一次就 |
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硬體跟裡面的一些設備軟體把它一次到位不然未來又有這些軟硬體要對接的問題這個對我們來說很重要對這個我想我們或許會傾向於一次核定分期施工啦對這樣的方式會讓整體的規劃更完善好不然這幾案都真的要拜託啦好不好謝謝部長謝謝蔡議員精彩的質詢 |
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部長請回座 下一位資金委員請王航威好 謝謝主席 請我們農業部部長還有我們的漁業署署長 王署長好 部長好 署長好 |
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部長 署長在前兩天媒體有一個做一個報導而且很多學者非常關心的就是我們漁電共生的政策說我們漁電共生現在要準備大轉彎大的髮夾彎說要漁歸漁 電歸電這個大概引起了很多的討論 |
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但是我也看到我們漁業署就發了一個新聞稿說現在還沒有要漁電脫鉤但是相關草案尚在政策研議溝通階段所以我想請問這個重大的漁電共生政策到底有沒有可能改變或者轉彎的情形 |
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我第一個謝謝委員對於漁電共生的這個議題的一個關心我在這邊非常認真的嚴肅的跟委員報告漁電共生政策不會改變但是在執行面的時候過往有很多 |
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光電的業者去養魚有沒有那我們希望說在整個執行面是讓他的專業回到他的專業面那第二個部分是這個政策還在內部的討論還沒有起我們未來一定會啟動所有的類似利害關係人的一個溝通那同樣的這個政策只是多一項選擇那多一項選擇的時候並不會把現在的制度 |
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打破那最核心的部分是我們希望光電的暗場能夠讓魚池本身的作業區是不會被影響的因為現在很多不合法不合規的部長謝謝你的說明但是就如同你剛才說的夏業為什麼大家會有這樣的討論就是確實在你們農業部的內部的這個 |
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座談裡面還有資料裡面提到了未來整個政策目標有所謂的三個方向但是這三個方向被大家質疑你看第一個經營階段他有個重點是說光電業者不用負責漁業經營然後呢但是在第二階段在地方政府受理容許申請的時候是有導入光電工協會進行實地審查 |
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所以外界的質疑就是既然光電業者不需要負責漁業的養殖和經營但是你在審查階段卻把相關的漁業經營者排除所以這個部分是不是就是會打臉你過去的政策 |
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那然後會大家擔心的審查過程裡面有供電業者參與但是呢養鞋業者沒有參與這個審查或決定權但是他要負擔經營的責任另外啊 |
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我要特別提到的就是因為最近大家非常關心你們漁業署副署長提到了一個光電資金並沒有義務去提升養殖環境或設備可是這個部分要跟你們當初的漁電工生強調光電產業要帶入資金跟技術來促進養殖業升級那現在呢又把它整個脫鉤了 |
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電 光電業者只管電然後不用去管這個漁業所以你這個資金沒有辦法促進養殖業的升級跟你過去的政策又背道而馳所以部長這樣的一個方向會被外界認為你們過於偏向了光電業者好像要奉身養殖業者所以在這個部分 |
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你們未來 你說是在評估階段 研究階段是不是可以特別注意外界的這些質疑 |
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委員提醒第一個部分就是以我的立場我們一定要確保養殖的經營為本這個事情我就不會變那剛才講的我們副署長講這句話我不知道他有沒有講這句話如果真正的是他講的是不對的我覺得他是一個錯誤的訊息傳遞這個後續我會來處理看他真的講什麼第三個部分就是 |
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光電協會來做一些審查他只是做一個參考因為有很多光電協會他本身不知道他的會員裡面有一些亂蓋的情形我要讓光電協會自己來看他的會員裡面如果是亂蓋的時候他自己就要打臉他自己所以我導入光電協會來審查他不是做審查權的確認是讓他們知道這每一個案場他們光電協會看得過去還是看不過去 |
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所以我最重要就是讓這個養殖魚池的光電板能夠不會影響到我的魚的作業因為現在很多光電板壓得太低所以我才會讓光電業者來因為他們自己看所以我們用這樣的方式是希望說整個光電案場在規劃的時候就能夠考慮到養殖的 |
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所以我希望部長和漁業署未來在設定制定整個政策或調整的時候我剛特別講的第一個不要讓養殖漁業他在審查過程中他沒有發言權但是他卻要去負責第二個光電業者帶來的資金他還是要去扶植或促進雅職業的升級不要完全的讓他們變成他們應該要投入 |
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脫鉤好這一點政策是要符合你們當年你們當年餘電共生的一個政策方向好不好好謝謝委員謝謝謝謝謝謝王委員來部長先回座下位置請蘇青堅委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 我請部長徐牧師徐牧師 市長你好 |
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長 總質詢 我們李玉琳委員有問這個歐帝的事情我現在確定跟你問 因為我時間悠閒你現在說 他們直接希望可以保留那個珍珠設備在他們的庭裡面你希望他們都聽聽到你要用說的 北中南要用大型的珍珠大型的珍珠你現在敢有嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
12546.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
我告訴你未來的這些不管是廚餘或是下甲料的部分它不是純粹只是蒸煮就去餵豬我希望它變成一個循環再利用的飼料因為要有規格要有品規後面的市場才會做得起來所以不是純粹用蒸煮的方式那第二個就是說我們場域裡面如果讓它保留的時候那相對的你一旦保留的時候以後就有可能有風險 |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
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特別在正常的地方你要收廚藝很容易收那你如果有增主設備的時候那時候會讓我們的非洲豬瘟可能更能控制我們這邊非洲豬瘟的處理至少超過70億左右啦那如果說一個農民他違反了油細規則他不是只是他受害而已是整個產業受害所以我們會用比較嚴謹的我也要跟你講一個重點我們的土地就都在南屏東那裡 |
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市長是跟阿展丁解釋說保證你要宣誓一下,你到底是要把這裡的土地幹掉叫人家不要騎啊,還是要保留這個好的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
這個瓶盛,跟世界的,跟蘿蔔島的,跟伊比利半島的,世界經濟生命的,你們的心態是怎麼樣?我跟威恩報告,就是威恩報告的地方就是說,黑豬的整個的一個養成,它可以有更好的效率,不管我們的土黑豬,我們的大黑豬有沒有,跟我們的水質上的黑豬, |
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都是低啦 都是黑低啦那我們也跟那個養黑豬的產業來說他們說希望做一些品種改良因為低本薪是二系或三系雜交的部分所以我們一定會讓黑豬產業繼續維持著但是它的飼料化的成本能夠降低不像白豬一樣那它的養成率也不要拖到一年多或一年半能夠再縮短那這個部分我們已經成立了輔導團隊下去處理 |
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你有沒有把牠的生長時 縮起來 縮三個月這樣你的意思是這樣嗎我們的飼料配方有這個機會啦然後另外透過品種的引進你剛才說的 有些品種的引進跟我們的土匪豬做雜交的後代那這個有機會讓牠的患肉率會提高所以現在市市到15個月 16個月的時候是太長了 太長了 對啦周轉利有沒有 牠的經驗周轉利嗎 周轉利所以周轉利很難說 你們有 |
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這個行業要保留 要加強 要用治療的配方你如果這樣的話 那我也可以跟他們講說政府不會把你放棄 政府不會把你放棄 會把你放散 |
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不會 我已經成立一個黑豬的一個輔導團隊喔包括我們的敘事所 我們的改良廠沒有 我們的那個什麼那個學校單位都進來來輔導市長你今天跟我說四月份會有結論出來 四月份是有什麼結論 |
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就是剛剛部長講的我們因為已經成立輔導小組也會引進一些品種做一些改良那世界配方我們持續在開發所以最近慢慢有一些成果會顯現出來到時候再跟委員報告 |
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我可以補充一點,我們的黑毛豬服務團隊第一是品質改良,第二是配方改良,第三比較重要的是,我可以去建立一個黑毛豬的品牌,這個品牌讓它的價格跟市場區域拉開。柏中你這樣宣示,我就比較放心了。 |
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非洲豬瘟這個病毒是DNA嘛,他雙骨,他就要八十度,一百度他才會死你如果,我環境部也在說,你現在這個家庭除了你把他放去,有水有沙,還把他放到氛化爐,氛化爐要滴,滴,滴,滴到水裡用污水就要把他處理,處理到排放處理 |
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汙水處理 你要用細菌分解 整個五六十度你去發酵 也要五六十度 變成不適合不適合之後 現在這個水煮了以後像冰凍那種 常常在喝水喝起來之後 整天流著流著流著流著到白天就有了 到四個月白天就聰明所以一定要 利用發酵的 |
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不 靠譜啦 我跟委員報告 照你這樣講我們台灣不是說都有非洲豬瘟是我們地中沒有這樣我們現在是全境內包括除以我們在邊境管制也很嚴格嘛所以我們一定會確保我們的養豬場跟他的生活安全 |
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這部分我先一直跟環境部來做討論好 先要一句話 現在風災要再來你昨天給我答應說現在補助不可以用成本的20%做標準我跟委員報告 我們這邊一定有提高 |
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我們特別說針對多年期的作務我們還會第二次不然第一次補助第二次就沒有了我們第二次還有加碼補助我們已經預告了好 謝謝主席你一句就十句了好 謝謝來 消費資源請郭議員 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請部長請回一步陳部長部長早安我想這個前一陣子到現在其實社會有一點不安的這樣子的一個情緒其實在於虐待動物的事件其實不斷的頻傳東寶市長謝謝 |
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我想從這個嘉義水上鄉的非法繁殖場那我想這個在所有的非法繁殖場的一些虐待動物的一些樣態多元那這也是我們必須要當務自己要去解決的事情那一直到所謂的這個北港的從五樓丟下來的狗 |
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還有在南港的脫行好幾公尺的這樣子的一個一隻小黑那一直到雲林六度犯案殺狗吃狗的無性男子那另外呢就是在2月初的時候大家一直從這個彰化的深港 |
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一直在諧詢這個渡告犬健康的一個案件那甚至民間已經開始發起懸賞的這樣子的一個條件這懸賞的金額從民間開始發起已經高達了30萬要來找這隻受虐的動物但是呢一直到38天之後其實他們非常遺憾的找到的是一具頭骨破裂的白骨 |
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那比對之後呢 應該就是所謂的健康 稱他的名字那我想呢 從這個四煮黃稱他送養那到所謂的這個監視器畫面其實也有錄到疑似他提了一個不明的一個袋子 |
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那似乎就是要把這個狗狗已經遇害的這樣子的一個屍體帶走但是呢大家對於所謂的弱勢動物受虐的這樣子的一個案件當務之急的就是要通報 |
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當地的這個不管是我們的動保處或者是我們的防疫所但是呢到最後這個彰化的動防所第一時間雖然是開罰了三萬是開罰了三萬但對於所謂的失蹤的狗狗其實是完全束手無策 |
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他們也不知道要從哪裡開始找起那最重要的一個原因就是動檢員他們沒有及時扣留動物跟強制進入私人場域的一個行政權這也就是這麼多年將近十幾年來大家不斷地在倡議所謂的動物警察也就是動保警察這樣子的一個編制 |
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民間一直不斷的在倡議好我們退而求其次說現在因為警政署內政部那個地方對於所謂的這樣子的一個人員的人力的不足所以我們退而求其次在我們的動保法當中我們要賦予動檢員更多的執法的一些權利來解決這些當務之急但現在目前看起來請問全台灣的動檢員在各地不同的地方的動檢員請問是幾位 |
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300不到358好那我想這個358要處理這麼多不同的通報的一個案件雖然其實這個會上一個會期其實我們在1月26號其實原本是有機會要繼續往下審動保法那這個部分其實我們賦予動檢員更多的一個執法權利其實也寫在這個修法的版本當中 |
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那我个人也提出了我自己的版本那同时还有虐待动物的一个行动我们要把它继续的往上拉高这些都是跨党派的共识也是社会对大家的对这样子事件的期待但很可惜因为我们当天就卡住了那没有办法继续往下走那很多人在讲说目前的这个窘境就是第一线的动检人员的人力的一个问题那我想当公职人员他们的荣誉感不再 |
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如果只剩下所謂的血汗 如果只剩下了所謂的過勞 請問誰還要入公職這也是我們在洞檢員一直不斷的 我們有開出缺額但問題是我們現在招不滿那一直面臨到這樣子的個問題 我們有沒有一個確切的方式可以來解決 |
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請教第一個部分就是就承諾剛才委員所說的其實在有一些動保法在我們提到院裡的動保法已經有一些改進了那我希望說我們能夠秉持一些就是有特別有正義的部分我們先放一邊讓整個法能夠大家有共識的往前走 |
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這樣的話才有機會改善所以我想我們也會再跟召委這邊來協調看看可不可以繼續審這個凍保法本身然後在這個之前我想我會跟各委員來溝通這樣的話包括凍檢員的行政賦權的部分還有他相關的法則事主責任的部分都可以加強第二個部分我在考慮的是凍檢員有沒有辦法 |
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從他的專業家級去做處理因為在布裡面我處理了非常多的專業家級的表的提升包括我們的房檢署本來是表2現在變成表10那同樣的我會針對動物保護檢查員這個部分他如果專業家子能夠提高那相對的可能有增加一些誘因啦那這個部分我想我們持續會來努力來做 |
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我想這個部分為什麼今天我特別用這個健康的這個案例特別來講就是因為民間社會已經走在我們的前面了那當民間他們自發性的在找狗然後不斷的在倡議這個制度的部分其實我們真的就不能讓動物保護法的修法一直不斷的延遲這也是我們希望我們優秀的這位召委在接著下來的這個會期我們希望能夠繼續在審查好嗎好謝謝謝謝國務卿委員溫暖的質詢 |
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部長先回座下一個位置請張雅玲委員好 謝謝主席 我們邀請農業部部長農業部陳部長我的那個呢 簡報筆呢委員好等我一下 找一下我的簡報筆 |
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那我想剛剛有提到這個凍保法那我想今天接下來也是要來回到凍保法裡面特別要處理的一個衝突的一個正義的問題就是我想上次在凍保法的修法上次我比較會理解的是說這應該是讓大家可以充分討論因為是第一次的在審查這個法案那我也希望說接下來要修法的時候 |
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我們的部長也可以跟個別的委員這邊也要懇請召委拜託就是支持可以讓部長跟個別的委員好好的充分討論這樣大家可以比較快凝聚出共識因為我認為這個爭議必須坦白的說真的是農業部的失職並沒有一起去因為共識不會自己產生一定要充分的討論要讓跟社會大眾要有很多的討論共識才有可能逐步往前但是我想農業部在這件事情上面真的非常需要的去強化 |
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不過呢 我想今天我就先針對犬中地圖因為這是我們透過科學化的第一步那也是我當時極力來爭取那也非常感謝農業部的支持讓我們可以往更科學化的方向來前進但是我們發現了一些問題 |
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就是說我們在記者會上面也都有提到就是說透過GIS可以讓我們可以看見遊蕩犬的點位但是據我所知我們自己在實際操作我們是看不出我們到底這個區域有哪些點位有遊蕩犬 |
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那再來我們又再詢問了農業部又說這個只會匯出成e-sale所以我不太確定說我們到底是真的要做把它這個像這個旁邊的e-bird這樣子可以讓大家都知道點位在哪還是只是自己後台要做操作嗎做研究嗎這部分可不可以請部長說明一下第一個部分我想謝謝委員的關心那犬中地圖的部分第一階段我們所蒐集到的資料我們是透過 |
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內部的了解然後去形成相關的熱區還沒有去準備去公開到任何的外界那這個部分其實我們也也曾經討論過因為當你的犬中地圖如果全部對外公佈的時候他可能會造成不必要的恐慌 |
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甚至於影響到當地的這些地價或是房價的部分這是我想我們跟很多利害關係人討論的時候提到的所以我們第一階段我們會先做內部使用然後變成一個熱區然後去做精準的這些防範 |
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但我想因為其實今天這個犬中地圖它還有一些部分要再去強化就是說因為今天大家做這個犬中地圖的時候它有一個很大的限制是它變成是拍照片的當下立刻傳送 |
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他可以等到有線的時候才傳啊我們現在是沒有辦法到有線的時候照片是沒有辦法單純上傳的他必須要在現場用手機拍的時候才可以上傳現場用那個APP拍了以後如果當場沒辦法上傳的時候他到有網路線路的時候還是可以上傳的 |
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這個沒問題那這個部分因為是民眾使用回饋給我們這個沒問題 這個可以這個沒問題 我會再測試一下是不是可以這麼做但是我想可能在這個選中部地圖上面我們還有一些要來努力的方向就是說目前有看到一些些回饋啦我不曉得部會這邊有沒有在追蹤大家的使用者意見 |
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我想我們東寶市應該後台都有隨時在監控那其中有一個我覺得可能要跟外界溝通的就是外界也希望說這個地圖會看到所有點位啦那我剛才說的我們第一階段第一階段是不開放的對這個待會我會再繼續問不過我要接下來問的是說那剛剛說可以自行上傳所以民眾說野外架設的自動相機影像也是可以透過他們存在手機裡就自動上傳的對嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
13507.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
我想一定要透過APP去照相一定要透過APP去照相而不是說我照相以後再另外上傳不過委員講到這個部分我想我們可以來考慮就是說有沒有另外一個系統就是你用一般的相機照相以後那透過一個專線的管道上傳到我們的資料庫 |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
沒有因為我想這件事情我先釐清一下應該是說他用自動他只用自動相機的影像他傳到他自己的手機裡面再上傳這樣是可行的不是他一定先開APPAPP裡面有一個照相功能從照相功能去照相才可以上傳你如果說直接用手機去拍再開這個APP是傳不上去的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
13548.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
那這不是蠻奇妙的嗎?因為這個功能到底這個技術是有什麼樣子的功能?因為我想這個很多的社群平台APP應該都是可以做到的事情啊因為用我們APP GPS可以很精準的定位但是用一般的照相機也沒有它的GPS定位不會那麼精準 |
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| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
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好沒關係那這個部分我們事後再討論不過我想要回到剛剛的第一個問題就是說我們最後還是希望可以透過這個資訊傳出來之後讓公民可以一起來做相關的研究嘛分佈位置啊然後衝突的部分其實公民也可以一起來參與嘛那現階段沒有那大概預計有什麼時候可以開放讓大家來一起共同導入更多的研究樣本呢這個在開放的過程中我想我們不會那麼輕易的開放但是如果說 |
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有特定的公民團體願意利用這個東西去做研究但是也必須切結承諾不對外公開那我們可以考慮大家一起來合作好啊那這樣子的話我再請這些團體來我們再要請我們再一起來討論好了不過再給我一點時間齁抱歉喔主 |
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就是有關於狂犬病的部分就是狂犬病目前我們可以看到這個案例上面這兩個月的統計數字已經是這七年來最高的高峰了平均過去大概是13 14但是今年已經到了19那我想這部分其實也要趕快的跟我們的這都有可能會爆發大規模的傳染這是可能是一個可潛在的風險所以我們現在是不是有一個提前的盤點整體的防疫上面去避免它造成可能有讓選 |
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的傳染或是其他的物種的傳染我想第一個部分就是我們要積極的加強那個狂犬病的疫苗對狗隻犬隻還有貓的部分那貓可能機會比較小因為在家裡但是有一個熱區就是說比較靠近田間的野外的這些區域我想我們會更主動的去通知他們來打狂犬病疫苗 |
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好 没关系 我想时间已经到了我们会后约时间讨论好了 好不好 谢谢好 谢谢张亚林委员的咨询部长先回座这个在场委员徐乌恺到了在徐乌恺委员咨询之后我们休息五分钟下一位咨询请李玉玲委员 |
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謝謝主席 請農業部陳部長 漁業署王署長 |
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因為我們的政府大力在推動我們的能源轉型那又有限於限縮於這個土地跟我們地理環境的因素所以要來大規模的來發展太陽能發電的話會非常的困難所以他們就會在餘溫上面加裝了這光電板叫做餘電共生 |
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所以剛剛部長你說了漁電共生不會變漁電脫鉤對不對再重申一次漁電共生的政策不會變不會變就不會變漁電脫鉤為什麼要這樣子問我們部長因為地方的很多這個漁業的這個團體業者都在反映他們的養殖的那個漁物的漁呀生產受到非常大的影響你們有沒有去調查 |
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我跟委員報告我們從過去的漁電工生的案例場來看的話就是有很多東西因為漁民不夠了解那光電業者在蓋的時候就沒有在蓋的時候就沒有考慮到漁業的作業的經營的這個方式部長你說到這邊我想先請教你他必須要經過農業的許可再才經過這個興建的許可執照對不對所以你們漁業這邊要有條件 |
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但書告訴他們所有的規範那為什麼他們新建這加蓋這個太陽能板是會不符合規格呢你說到不符合規格的話本期又再提醒你像符合規格的大概有269件不符合規格的有117件這117件掌握了沒有他們不符合的原因是什麼 |
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我跟委員報告 269件 總共298個案場 已經查了91% 269269裡面有35場 大概13%是被廢止的那另外有101件是通過的 您剛才講的117件本身是待改善的 那待改善的話 樣態非常多 |
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我要跟委員報告 代改站不是沒有養魚喔代改站是可能它的養殖的魚種跟經營計畫書不一樣就叫魚電工生 一定有養魚嘛但是它生產受到影響了生產下降 那個養殖業的風化生存啊不是 它有非常多的 它的本身可能魚種魚種養得不一樣魚種 現在養的魚種是什麼 赤木魚 烏龜魚 石斑魚不是 它的經營計畫書寫的魚種跟它實際養的魚種不一樣 |
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所以有沒有去調查有沒有去關心輔導他們就是因為有調查我們才了解而且我們的輔導團隊也會進場去輔導但是生產減少你們知道嗎 |
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我想生產減少這件事情本身有非常非常多的原因因為人的因素也有天候的因素也有當然當然但是要去關心他們生計不要在外面大家都在傳是假養殖是真重點所以為什麼我希望說未來的漁電公司能夠回歸到專業在設計的時候光電業者就要跟漁民一起合作來做專業的處理而不是所以部長你這邊有真正去了解嗎 |
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有 就是有了解為什麼現在養殖的面積會減少我想養殖的面積的減少跟光電是沒有關係的為什麼沒有關係 |
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為什麼有關係因為它生產減少了不要養啦沒有沒有我們以實際的栽培面積來看那你了解的原因是什麼漁電共生本身包括它現在興建的岸產才2000多公頃而已那它的影響本身包括我們現在全台灣的養殖面積大概3.6萬公頃所以它不是因為我們的養殖本身 |
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本身有一些定期的休養休養還有我們現在在調整它的放養量的一個申報所以我想部長你看看三年來從2022年到2024年來虱目魚 吳郭魚 石斑魚從他們的養殖的面積這立方公尺的從虱目魚像2022年是7833立方公尺到了2024年是6526就是這樣一直逐年減少 |
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我要跟委員報告養殖面積的調整它不一定是壞事因為本身我們要看它的供需那供需如果說面積越來越多可是我們吃的沒那麼多的時候那價格就會崩盤部長你講的也是理由之一啦但是我告訴你是它就是漁電共生發生的這個生產影響受到下降我覺得不能用這樣下結論這個是不對的結論 |
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那所以你要去調查我們一直有調查沒有跟你反映嗎我跟委員報告你們要去關他們這不告訴你了嗎 |
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我告訴你委員我要跟您說明的就是你去看單一的案場他講的不代表是全部的那我們漁業署有系統性的去調查那相關的養殖面積的減少它不是因為光電不養因為光電不養只有幾千公頃而已部長如果你有真心去深入去了解你就要知道說養殖業經過這個漁電共生之後有沒有實質的效益在哪裡 |
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結果私職教育發現數據會說話啊面積減少生產也下降啦所以要怎麼去輔導所以外面才會在傳假養殖是真正的我覺得這樣的比喻就好像我看電視在燙運動結果輸了以後 |
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衣服燒掉了一樣因為兩個東西不能把它硬扯到它的相關性都是原因之一是部長你的比喻我也不能接受這個跟你講養殖業跟看電視沒有關係所以好我們回歸我的意思是說 |
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任何兩個東西你要去做相關一定有關係都有它的因素存在但是它有沒有意義這兩個相關有沒有意義它以前沒有去漁電共生的時候養殖業都還不錯生產都很好但是就是因為漁電共生發生這個問題所以我們要請專家來瞭解研究是不是剛剛就講有117家 |
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他們還要改善沒有改善才會造成某種原因是不是我們不知道好我接受你的不知道但是你要去研究了解輔導幫助這養殖業的生計生存一定會我想我們一定會輔導那我再次去強調就是說如果光電開始實施以後的往前看10年它的面積也會浮動 |
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那那個浮動其實是一個產下浮動是有增有減這個是連續三年都下降你如果看五年的話不一定所以五年跟十年的長期的判斷部長請你去關心我會關心謝謝委員的提醒所以你也強調了絕對不會漁電脫鉤不會我想我們一定公聲這個結果一定會堅持著 |
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本席再請教部長因為現在有偽農藥偽農藥的話如果是在地的部分的話都是當地政府在做偽農藥的一個處理是不是那如果說像境外的部分那你們的防檢局你們的檢驗局你們是不是要負擔起這個責任 |
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我想如果是境外的就是透過走私嘛那走私本身就是海關的部分會來處理我們農業部還有海巡海委會都會共同來成立這樣的一個打擊的一個但是處理這尾農要怎麼處理 |
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地方政府啊不是 可是它是境外的一般是國內的話沒有 境外你進到哪個縣市就那個縣市在處理不是 各地方政府發生的話在地的 在我們台灣境內的話當然是地方政府來處理現在是說從國外進來坐飛機進來 境外的 |
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沒有境外在海關在海關擋下來就是擋下來就是海關會處理那如果說進到我們的本島裡面的境內現在就是境外的也要當地的政府部長跟你講實話機場的話就是當地的縣市政府可是他是屬於境外的 |
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他已經入關了他並沒有出關在入關檢驗的時候發生的所以境外跟境內的處理是不是應該要分開來講所以我請你回去研究這個偽農藥的境外是不是防檢局要來讓全國的收集起來因為本土的偽農藥的話是比較少 |
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那境外的話是比較多所以處理的方式是不是你們研究一下看怎麼處理我會去瞭解境外入關以後到底要怎麼樣的境外跟境內是不一樣的好請部長都對這方面研究讓我們的這個偽農藥能夠徹底的處理好瞭解謝謝好謝謝李運營委員部長先回座下位質詢請洪孟凱委員好謝謝 |
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來 主席謝謝 麻煩請陳部長請農業部陳部長委員好好 部長好 部長來就教一下因為動保法本身也非常的關心喔那到目前為止現在我們行政院院會通過我們農業部的版本了嗎欸 動保 |
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在上個會期已經開始逐條審查但是審到第二已經進到立法院了那因為裡面有一些條文特別是禁止餵養這件事情有一些沒有共識嘛 |
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那我們也開始啟動所以我們在這邊協商了兩次我們印象中那到最後還是所以我們現在就是說在跟委員溝通那我們是期待就是說因為裡面有很多重要的條文包括這些動保檢察員賦予行政權利還有一些事主責任的部分能夠把 |
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沒有共識的我們先擱一邊擱一邊的話讓這個法能夠順利的過了以後至少往前走一步啦那這個部分我想我們會跟再跟所有的委員跟利害關係團體來做溝通權益持續提升重點是來保護保障動物的權利跟福利嘛那以及跟我們社會能夠更共融對所以 |
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本系列針對這個凍檢員的一個部分凍檢員真的是至關重要那我們絕對是要用比較好的一個待遇至少讓他不會說人才一直流失因為其實各縣市政府已經有這樣的一個狀況 |
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我們有沒有掌握說到目前為止各縣市政府這洞檢員的一個流失的比例現在目前當然我先不講洞檢員包括我們畜牧師我們畜牧師是大量流失這個轉換的至少三分之一 |
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所以包括第一線的凍結員更困難所以我現在就是想辦法讓他們的薪水可以提升那唯一可以提升的就是用專業家籍那專業家籍的部分我想我會在就是在這次修法的部分 |
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沒有 修法不能 薪水不能放在修法裡面我們會另外處理包括我們處理獸醫師的不開業獎金那這樣你什麼時候可以處理因為錢不是農業部要編因為這牽涉到全台灣的所以一定會先跟人種去做一個溝通然後把它的專業佳績表適用的專業佳績表做改變那一旦改變了以後就有機會啦這個我們會來努力 |
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部長你這樣講是你知道問題本身也點出問題很嚴峻本身掌握狀況也是如此啊尤其我們新北市也有相關你說像獸醫師幾乎大家沒有人來沒有人願意來是我跟委員報告齁那總不能一直要大家做功德吧我知道我舉個例子我們的房間署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
14409.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
我們過去職務的都領表二我花了大概一年多快兩年的時間才變成表十因為他沒那麼容易因為不是我能夠決定的我必須說服我們的人總相關的單位說他是值得領這樣的一個專業家籍部長說實在話 |
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你這一些部分我們都理解這也是為什麼我今天在用我們質詢時間再一次點出這個問題就是要農業部能夠更積極嘛那你跟人種要溝通說實在話不然就帶上我們民意代表一起去吧要不要 最好好啊來你這樣安排來農業部部長我現在承諾你農業部部長什麼時候來下個禮拜我們就約時間因為我不想要不是不是耍嘴皮 |
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也不是開玩笑而是說我今天看到問題了那我也想是說如果修法能解決我們的責任但現在也不是修法的問題現在是你人種那等於是一個大水庫的部分那當然大水庫所有行政單位我也可以理解啊行政單位一定每個人都叫沒錢每個人都叫沒人啊那但是就是要看是說哪一個部分嚴重那我至少我了解地方政府的需求是 |
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14465.279 |
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這個獸醫 凍檢員 相關這部分確實因為他的職等又低 他的薪水又少 然後他的責任又重所以他相比其他 又會更人才更流失他就直接雙手在那邊講說 我去外面開個診所比我在拿公家機關的那個獸醫師來的待遇好很多啊還不用24小時安扣 |
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我跟委員報告在去年處理非洲豬瘟的時候各縣市的動保跟防檢的人士一起來努力的所以這兩個人都有缺所以我也跟人總已經談過了我現在就在規劃裡面他們的論述那論述如果我相信在這一兩個禮拜完成以後每個禮拜四都有行政院會嘛行政院會不是只是聽行政院長在那邊上 |
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這個指導期那有些時候你部長一字排開的時候禮拜四行政院會你也可以提出啊讓院長來裁決啊哪一個部會勇於發聲你發的聲音就是為基層發聲部會勇於發聲行政院長有聽到才了解其實人種其實對我們農業領域的這些人的爭取是一直非常幫忙的啦 |
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所以我們必須要好的路數因為你剛剛的講法也沒有讓大家感受到所以來部長因為我還有另外一個議題我知道我只想是說我剛剛我的承諾不是開玩笑行政立法可以一起有要約人總我們一起去最好我們找我一起上我們來努力但是我要的是看到具體的進度不是我下一次再質詢的時候不知道什麼時候您下次再來但不要下次再質詢問一樣議題然後一樣的回答 |
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過一年一樣的回答 過兩年一樣的回答辛苦的是基層 好不好來 部長另外一個議題 因為趙偉已經站起來本期選區好 沒有問題 謝謝本期選區漁人碼頭 這個算漁業處的議題那來 簡單講 三年前新北市府有一個計畫是希望漁人碼頭能夠做一些改造跟活化 因為 |
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14588.542 |
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生活情勢不同第一我們當地的漁民其實真的是越來越少而且漁民的二代也都不願意不太願意接這個漁民工作因為不容易那可能用其他的工作考量第二當地的漁會很支持希望是說漁人碼頭有更多的活化因為漁人碼頭它有很多觀光的需求以及這個國外旅客還有第三新北市府整體的規劃包括整個北海岸的一個延伸但三年前到之後申請是被打回票 |
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就是說不同意這個漁人碼頭去做其他這個多複合使用那我現在講的是說能不能再針對這部分因為今年有一個重點是我們淡江大橋5月12通車那未來對北海岸的觀光交通也會有更大的一個注意那漁人碼頭勢必也會有再討論的空間能不能讓新北市府讓漁業處這邊能夠有一個怎麼樣的想法來進一步再來討論 |
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因為徐副培委員一直等同意我會後請漁業署跟新北市政府來溝通然後重啟這樣子的一個規劃看看說有沒有一些空間可以來處理該新北市府做的申請的新北市府申請但是希望我們漁業署這邊能夠秉持比較開放的一個心胸因為畢竟真的南北差異差很多那還有就是說當地的民眾其實也對於這有期待好不好 |
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14669.278 |
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14688.843 |
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感謝 謝昭偉 今天非常趕時間 謝謝你要一分鐘 我給你三分鐘謝謝好 不然回座消費資源請徐副委員謝謝主席 有請我們陳部長農業部陳部長 |
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14696.394 |
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14714.151 |
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委員好部長午安部長這個洋蔥是恆春半島很重要的一個農產品那我想在整個這個產銷的部分跟這個所謂的一個軟液體的建設部分非常謝謝部長過去的支持那上個禮拜我們也風光的辦了一場 |
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14735.765 |
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屏東的洋蔥這個外銷日版總共有19.2噸到日本的一個外銷的封櫃記者會那我們的胡次長也有去參加我想這是對整個我們的洋蔥產業是一個很正向的一個儀式那我想未來我們甚至還有開出今年會有600公噸的洋蔥要外銷到韓國到馬來西亞部長這個訊息對嗎預估是這樣子的 |
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14742.318 |
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14771.063 |
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但是這個部長這個我們的現在的洋蔥的農民現在愁容滿面部長知道為什麼嗎我了解雖然說現在屏東的洋蔥還沒有正式的大量的收穫那其實我們也關注到現在洋蔥的怎樣的一個整體的產地價的一個行情所以我也已經有請那個農糧署也跟委員這邊還有我們的產地做一些溝通我們會有一些特別下恆春 |
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14800.371 |
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所以我又把農糧署我們的同仁還有包含我們恆春車城仿山三個農會總幹事還有相關的官員我們有做了一個討論那當然目前因為即將進入盛產期那目前的產力價格已經腰斬了出七八塊啦這農民真的是靠不出來啦那我想是不是有沒有考慮說我們三個農會都期待我們是不是應該配合這樣的一個盛產期來做一個凍存的一個考量 |
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我想我們第一個就是包括這邊的洋蔥跟剛才有的委員提到的這個蒜頭我們不會啟動保駕收購但是我們會用另外的方式來協助農民確保他的一定的一個價格那這個部分我想我們會努力來做那我還是在強調對就是相對的就是說 |
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14823.3 |
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14839.214 |
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屏東這邊還沒有開始正式的量產的部分但是我們要先把相關的負案先做一個跟農會跟地方的農會這邊做一個溝通那我相信農糧署已經有準備了一些方案那在適當的時間我想這個方案我們會對外來說明 |
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14842.396 |
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14858.589 |
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部長我還是期待因為上一次紅豆事件的時候我第一時間我也打給部長那我們也配合農林署我想我們就結合當地的農隊跟相關的一些業者我們來這個滾動式檢討這是一個很好的模式紅豆就是一個很好的模式我們會來處理 |
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14889.61 |
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所以部長會支持這樣的一個滾動檢討的一個運作機制嗎?對,我們已經,我有交代農糧署要去做一個比較好的規劃部長,我想不要被誰欲哭無淚啦我想我們應該要趕快真的隨時來盯緊這樣的一個狀況好,尤其馬上就要開始採收了不要讓農民真的是乾扣掉啦部長,確保農民的收益一直是我們農業部的一個責任啦好,那另外我還是要請教第二個問題目前屏東農業有山害部長,綠葉溪、梅花路跟台灣米河 |
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14891.391 |
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14904.541 |
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這個綠烈熙的部分我想感謝你的支持我們去年我曾出七成門我們針對這樣的防治的部分做一個作物的一個委網但是我們的農民反而今年明年還有沒有這樣的一個計畫 |
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14906.412 |
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14930.27 |
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我想劣劣息移除外來種的部分 這個政策不會改變那個力道 我想我們會再持續跟行政院整理經費相對的只有中央跟地方政府一起合作還有這些獵捕團隊 公民一起合作才有機會像去年就獵捕了26萬隻比往年的幾萬隻都是幾十倍的成長這是有機會的那猕猴的部分 我們現在 |
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14932.572 |
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14958.652 |
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會針對族群做一個更仔細的調查特別是把這個熱區框出來特別是在農業區的周遭的這個猕猴的危害那我們會啟動一些適當的這些處理的作業我會用更積極的角度去處理這個問題部長那因為猕猴跟梅花鹿恆春半島也很多而且有的在國家公園範圍裡面我也有跟王署長講過了我們應該要趕快跨部會來看看怎麼去防止 |
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14974.606 |
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我想梅花路的部分我們跟國家公園那邊一直有一些協助我們都有協助他們那這個部分我想我們梅花路的部分我想我們會應該要用一個不一樣的思維去處理不然 |
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14975.246 |
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14999.38 |
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永遠放任在那邊也...因為好幾個會議都問這個問題啦 還是真的要有對策啦我們問到這個運氣繼續還有沒有對策問題是喔 國家公園裡面的管轄權不是我們啦我知道照出來是我們的啦所以我們會再跟他們談但是相對的他們的主導的部分要比較強所以我們會再努力來溝通啦好 那最後一個問題 謝謝主席 |
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15001.602 |
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15014.38 |
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部長我知道你們總預算還沒有過你們的經費少很多但是屏東縣政府也苦哈哈少了四十幾億所以兩年前我跟漁業署署長去看的東港碼頭到現在連攤都沒攤還在設計規劃沒錢然後農水署 |
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15018.725 |
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15042.197 |
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經費也可憐 一個管理出一年才兩千萬的維修經費我們動輒一條就幾十八萬 做不到三條所以我們很多的農民的灌溉勾取 沒辦法做那這個涉及什麼 整個屏東縣的治水計畫因為我們有涉及水利署 有涉及農水署 有涉及水保署 有涉及縣政府沒辦法從上中下游一起處理 部長這邊都該管 |
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15069.321 |
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你剛才說的有一部分縣勘已經做一個初步的設計規劃那設計規劃的話現在應該可以碼頭的部分應該已經在招標了那比較麻煩的是農水路的部分我剛才說的農業部本身新興預算跟延續計劃本身要有串接嘛那新興計劃被擋了大概就將近90億但是它實際會影響到特別是農水路我不能做一半啦 |
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15069.901 |
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15089.518 |
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所以整條路要開的時候 那個經費可能要到位所以總預算還是要過因為現在水利署的已經做好了 縣政府的也做好了中段剩下農水署沒做現在困境就在這裡我們變成阻礙治水的一個瓶頸這個部分我想我們會個案來做一個評估啦最後一個王署長 |
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15090.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
15104.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
我還是要提醒 養殖生產區裡面的道路跟橋樑那是你們的責任 也要讓水利署跟公路叫出來 正要檢討一下 好 謝謝謝謝修科委員 部長先回座 現在休息五分鐘 |
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15408.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
15431.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
來 現在繼續開會 會議進行中請保持肅靜那個列席的官員或者相當同仁 會議進行中盡量保持肅靜不要影響會議的進行我們現在繼續開會 下一位執行請林德虎 林德虎不在高津素美 高津素美 高津素美不在羅賓才 羅賓才 羅賓才不在下一位執行請陳冠廷委員 |
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15443.605 |
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15469.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
主席文化大臣請部長請農業部沈部長委員好部長好部長這個我今天要針對農安基金的執行進度來先跟你請教一下2月13號是我們政府宣布成立300億的農安基金那農業部新聞稿那時候有稱近期公布各項的措施跟補助的申請程序等等 |
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15470.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15486.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
那在3月3號我在院會質詢的時候那部長表示說農安基金的300億不會等到我們的這個ART真正生效之後再來去處理那今天我看到3月18號我們的這個業務報告裡面的四大面向扶持農業確保優勢擴大這個外銷跟鞏固產業的韌性這四項那這是在第31頁 |
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15493.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
15514.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
但還是就是那四大面向我們還是在做那四大面向那我是希望說針對這個升級的機制支持的方案預算的來源這個部分大概具體的目前的執行方案大概進行到什麼樣的程度是不是可以跟農民開始來去說明讓農民可以盡快的來去做一些申請好 謝謝委員的關心 |
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15515.223 |
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15538.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
當初我們在不同的時間點對外的說明那最主要是基於那時候的ART的簽署是已經簽署了只是還沒有經過立法院同意但是因為到後來有一個時間的演變就是說因為ART本身的法律的依據AEPA本身被美國宣判是違法的部分所以現在目前ART本身的內容是我們希望維持這個內容 |
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15540.166 |
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15567.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
但是它的法律本身的條文要用什麼樣的法律的程序來處理這美國正在美方正在處理那我想這第一個說明第二個說明就是農安基金的300億裡面它是一個計劃型的基金它不是一個正式成立的一個像農發農損的基金類似我們當初的百億養豬的百億基金一樣那這些基金本身未來會用特別預算裡面的還剩下的額度去處理那現在 |
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15568.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
15593.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
剩下的現在目前我們有180億是處理農業的其中的另外10億190億的另外10億是處理漁船的AIS的部分那這個180億的部分我想我們會針對外銷的部分持續的協助他的產業的升級還有金融的支持跟外銷的獎勵的部分那至於農安部分本身我們已經規劃好了但是他必須等到這個條文本身 |
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| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
15611.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
美方再度的確認以後才可以做因為它有一部分是跟是針對進口的部分的一個衝擊我們的協助那我想我們後續的協助行委員也不用擔心因為我們在原來的農發或農損基金裡面也有相關的預算來協助我們農民來提升他的產業競爭力 |
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那其實部長我們大概初步一個規劃因為除了外銷再就是進口進口就是衝擊外銷就是升級那外銷升級的部分原則上不管是ART它的這個進度什麼樣它都可以預先來去做準備嗎因為 |
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我們現在包含我自己在內我們跟所有的國民來去分析的時候都講到的ART它對我們來講是一個保護的優勢在內所以說我們的狀況如果沒有它衝擊可能只會更大那所以既然我們知道說衝擊可能會更大不會更小的話 |
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那理論上301就必須要用比較最差的狀況之下來先去做預演所以可能你要把更多的時間放在進口衝擊部分是那這個部分我們可以理解所以還是希望說 |
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因為我們無法超支在別人的部分我們沒有辦法確定超支在己的部分其實預先在進口衝擊的部分我們就已經可以開始跟外銷的部分先開始做運利特別是哪些我特別跟委員報告就是在301調查裡面有一個蠻重要跟農業有關的就是稻米的貿易的部分 |
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15699.642 |
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那現在因為WTO稻米的貿易我們有配額的部分嘛那我們這次台美貿易談判的話是完全沒有處理稻米的部分就是貨品這樣的一個調整的部分那所以其實我們更希望R的內容是能夠維持著這樣對我們的糧食的產業的衝擊才不會太大 |
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所以說部長我們現在這樣就這樣子等於是我們可以假設如果在ART能夠維持下去的話至少在稻米的部分我們就之前也跟所有國民都不用擔心但是我們也要做玉米萬一怎麼樣的話我們要怎麼樣來協助稻的這個部分嗎 |
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好那第二個部分我們上個會期跟好幾位我們經濟委員會的委員一起都開記者會主要是針對今年7月期的鮮乳標章制度升級就是進口的液態乳不得使用鮮乳這個名稱那我們覺得這個政策方向是絕對正確 |
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不能退讓但是剛才也提到301條款的風險就是USDR它已經宣布要加速多項301的調查那涵蓋的就包含農漁產品所以我要特別再強調今年7月起的這個鮮乳標章制度它的這個正式升級進口的液態乳不能使用鮮乳這個名稱 |
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還是希望說不要退帳這是我們必須要保護我們國產的農業產品的這個權利跟消費者資的權利這個部分那部長有沒有信心可以有一套我們這麼講好了有沒有信心來產出一套完整的國際貿易法的論述來去確保我們的這一塊 |
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我想我們一定不會退讓而且我們也完整的準備相關的一個論述因為鮮乳這個鮮字本身我們有特別的界定那這個屬於國內法的部分因為我們不是把奶字改掉了因為一般來講就是牛奶 |
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但是先制是在特定的台灣的經過產交履歷經過驗證的這些部分才能夠叫先制嘛這是屬於國內法的部分所以我們會更加強的這樣的一個論述來做後續的一個處理好那再麻煩了這個一定要守住謝謝老師好謝謝委員好謝謝陳寬禮委員下一位何欣淳何欣淳何欣淳不在劉建國劉建國劉建國在現在請劉劉建國委員質詢 |
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15828.479 |
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15843.688 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請陳部長農業部陳部長喂好 伯弟好 伯弟好 辛苦了我做社長的中期損 最後就是針對菜市場的部分 |
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15844.718 |
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補兌 看這張表就好這張表裡面顯示就是這兩黨的選舉很壞我相信你也已經都有獎勵但是我是要很簡單的請教補兌說這兩黨選舉的壞對照這兩黨以前的股東選舉不利要穩定最大的最大的原因是什麼所在補兌可以簡單說明一下嗎 |
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我先跟委員報告就是說事實上特別是短期業差類跟長期業差類本身因為古泥噴新的連續的颱風造成我們西螺地區或是我們雲林地區的這些受損然後復耕的時候太過於集中太過於集中表示說它的量瞬間就變大讓它的價格變低那我覺得我們後續要去處理的就是說 |
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15902.578 |
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要想辦法讓他分散他的一個種植的一個時間表那我們怎麼樣提供一些政策的誘因去引導他們而不是直接對菜價的一個補助對政策的引導嘛對不對那政策引導 |
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已經有花動了嗎已經有執行了嗎我現在特別我已經叫農糧署就是說後續如果類似這種短期大面積復耕的時候我們就應該去介入去做政策的引導不能等到全部的菜價崩下來的時候才去做一些協助啦這個部分我想已經請農糧署在這邊做處理了 |
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現在最主要是這兩黨的頭上的五黨能夠穩定你若非說這兩黨最主要是因為遇到很多風災但是過去的風災,只要風災來拆解是一定起的嘛他才不會馬上衰落嘛對不對有意識違規的邏輯大家都很清楚嘛但是這兩黨不是這樣沒有,這兩黨的風災都是連續來的啦是啦,是嗎?過去幾乎在小英政府執政的時候幾乎沒什麼颱風啊 |
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真的啊 真的是沒什麼颱風啊沒有什麼颱風 還是有災情啦因為時間的關係啦那個都是短期一次性的那相對的上來以後 下來以後也不會降得很低啦這次是太連續的 而且很多連續的颱風造成的你現在說你有責成農苗所要快速地做七七一這樣的一個因應嘛但是到底什麼樣的因應嘛 |
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15978.806 |
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第一波沒辦法處理 因為現在第一波沒辦法處理所以這兩檔的菜市場一直賣到這種程度你不管賣菜 賣檸檬啦 保鮮杯啦不管賣菜 賺就對了 我說不完啦我前面有特別講 講到說我們沒有主食 我們都可以把台肥的肥料解決 穩定掉了其他民間肥料一直去 農業一直去 住宅一直去 |
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16027.512 |
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這個經濟農民的差距還這麼低,我們沒有差點說,保留,你的印度的速度算很快嘛,農民土金你要讓農民可以捐錢負擔,我們就幫他倒打一把,但是他們一直想的一直不好,甚至都比身份更低的這個教育經濟,農民哪有錢可以來教這個? |
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我跟委員報告就是現在目前短時間要去處理的可能就是說我們要更精準的去了解就是說因為短期內都要離1天30天就一輪了嘛那我們必須在這個時間點就去做一些調配啦不要繼續大家一瘋瘋的一起來種啦啊這個部分用什麼樣的一個協助我有請農糧署現在就趕快規劃完了以後我們就可以來處理所以我剛才在議會要求嘛其實我是說一個月啦我拜託一下可以收到時間嗎 |
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我參消調節 穩定計劃 原本就是我們農業部的職員嘛 |
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賣兩檔啊賣兩檔啊是不是速度可以存在你修相關的法律補充農民讓農民可以種樹農業過年有政府給你挖苦有政府給你填農民有的時候不是要求很多啦比他的身份可以給10% 20% 30%其實有的時候有時候農民會覺得說政府你給他倒三天但是你不可以讓他一直沒有大家的身份這個繼續下去我們對農民是無法解釋的 |
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我了解所以我想我會後我想這一兩天我會找農糧署來談他的規劃那整個規劃我是希望說能夠把這個價格能夠再穩定下來然後更重要是後續的價格不要再往下降這個部分我想我們要來努力 |
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這個禮拜大概下禮拜我想我們會應該有一個方案出來好 謝謝部長第二件事情就是希望可以在立法院裡面設立國家級的統治部分析疫情端研究的中心這個部分我相信要補充要檢討幾個禮拜我想這對於法院官員是一個很大觀的說話不管是洋滴 洋雞洋 還是這個農業要補充都是可以算是全國最大的嘛 |
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這不除是如果國際的設置這個中心來說,對中國的動地部、對台灣的農業,絕對是非常致敏,而且是兌換的影響嘛。我不知道這進度到現在是怎麼樣。我首先要感謝委員對這個議題的重視,因為粉林是我們最大的農業的生產地,但是並沒有一個很好的一個檢驗役的一個中心。 |
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所以委員 過去一年一年要求農業部應該要成立一個國家級的這些檢疫的單位在分明設置我跟委員報告這個計劃已經上禮拜了然後我們也送到國安會在審議了那我相信應該能夠順利的通過能夠在今年就能夠 |
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核定這樣的一個計畫我的目標大概六月之前能夠核定那核定了以後就讓我們的雲林的地區有一個更好的簡易的一個單位來協助我們地方的農產品確保我們的地方的農產品的安全這不只是對分林啦 甚至是對全國因為畢竟是一個國家機構 對不對這個國家機構他本來的概念非常重要但是他內容就他裡面主要的重要的這個五個目標嘛還有很多的戰略跟功能性 |
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那我想現在你看蒜頭 湯海啦再來就是 我之前也在說淨靠蒜頭的那些會比較加頭的部分它是不是有相關的一些檢疫必須要去積極的去面對去做處理事情嘛因為這個中心如果在 |
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再拖下去我覺得對臺灣整體的農業還有現在農委會變成農業部的這樣的一個位階是何其諷刺嘛所以我一直在拜託部長啦是不是趕緊速度啦甚至 甚至是不是可以再提早啊你今年 看在第三季就對了就可以趕緊來準備 來辦理發包有可能嗎 |
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我們的價位是116到120但是在115的部分我一定確保他一定能夠在看個年終的時候會通過通過以後開始設計規劃嘛然後如果順利的話我相信應該是可以達到設計規劃完成的階段行政院有支持嗎 |
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行政院支持的行政院支持的話我們就可以加緊腳步嘛對所以我在想甚至於我可以先用其他的經費讓他做前期的規劃這樣的話也許能夠把那個時間再縮短應該預算規模高達10億以上嘛10億10億以上嘛對不對對啦所以就拜託補充啦我們逛一下好嗎對啦我來逛一下好啦是不是可以再 |
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我如果提供一些先期的規劃的話,後續的發報時程可以壓縮啦好,謝謝,謝謝部長,好,謝謝,謝謝主席好,謝謝劉俊文委員壓縮令人感動的資訊好,第二位,王岸祥,王岸祥,王岸祥不在,葉院士,葉院士,葉院士不在好根據發言委員初步在場之外,區域均與發言完畢,我們詢問結束由委員徐欣妍所提書面資訊列入紀錄,刊登公報 |
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有書面質詢以及未及答覆部分請相關單位一週內以書面答覆並複製本會為另要求期限者從期鎖定本日鎖定議程處理完略謝謝大家現在散會 |