| IVOD_ID |
17273 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17273 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-17T08:33:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-17T16:48:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:14:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本院秉持國家安全優先、強力捍衛領土完整之原則，若美方發價書明文公布之拖式、標槍飛彈續購及M109A7自走砲等三項對美軍購案簽約期程屆至之前尚未完成相關預算之審議，茲授權行政院先行與美方簽署發價書（LOA），以保障國家戰略利益。行政院應於簽署後即刻向立法院提出完整相關武器交貨期程報告，回歸審議常軌，履行行政院於預算編列前後完整說明之義務，不得再以『國家安全』為名，規避民主審議與理性監督。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月13日）二、同意權之行使事項：本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。（3月13日）三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（3月17日）四、3月13日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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法院會現在繼續開會對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢在進行質詢之前先請秘書長報告部會首長請假請醒 |
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報告完畢現在請呂委員育嶺質詢 |
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謝謝主席,請卓院長及經濟部的貝許議員好早安院長、部長 |
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美國的關稅從去年延燒到現在最新的消息是說美方寄出了301條款要來審查並且要具體的納入了16個國家台灣也在裡面所以要請教院長跟部長你們知道我方是不是會被美國這個通知有接到通知了嗎那內容是什麼他調查的內容 |
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好 跟委員說明美方已經對外有說明過包括60個國家包括台灣中華民國台灣在內是要接受301的調查其中應該是兩個主要的調查一個就是有沒有因為產量過剩有一個有沒有因為強迫勞動等等那麼現在調查還沒有開始正式調查還沒有開始所以接到美方的通知了對 我們知道有這個訊息知道了那也知道哪些相關產業會被調查調查的對象 |
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調查的產業有相當多有電子啦 自行車 汽車零組件啦還有好幾項 這個都在調查範圍當中是 院長 部長本席會之後我們提出來就是因為我們之前有去談了ART |
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對不對 ART是一個貿易 台美的貿易協定但是現在他們又寄出了301條款301是屬於貿易法 法律會在上面所以如果這兩項在談的時候那這樣子的話會301條款說了算 對不對因為他現在301關心的一些項目剛剛提到有關於強迫勞動的相關議題 |
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基本上在ART裡面也有涵蓋這些項目這個部分事實上我們跟美方大概都已經談定了將來可能是所以ART算嗎在ART的項目裡面有涵蓋這些項目所以我們ART談的算不算算啊所以部長 |
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因為現在他們是說301條款是授權美方可以用高關稅做一個制裁的工具如果可以調查出來說他們貿易逆差或者是我們政府的補助等等的情形如果影響他們的整個貿易逆差的話他們就會用制裁的方式無上限的用高關稅所以這兩個是可以同樣成立ART跟301同樣成立還是301說了算 |
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所以我們現在跟美方持續的有在聯繫當中我們就就是希望可以在ART的基礎上維持那個ART的結論 |
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那301還是要調查我們啊調查他不一定會成立或者是會有新的措施不可以用不一定所以產業都非常的緊張擔心他們就成為了調查的對象如果這個貿易有逆差的情形他們就可以用無上限的高關稅 |
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所以我們盡量爭取維持所以這法律跟這個協定是哪個會在上面如果是二選一的話我剛剛跟委員報告過60個國家他要展開這一波的調查目前調查還沒有正式展開所以我們是準備好當然要準備好用我們簽署的ART的內容其中牽涉到301的部分我們堅持用ART的內容來維護我們最佳的待遇 |
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院長 部長去年我們在談的時候他們宣布的時候一開始是什麼32%後來是20%到最後的話我們今年的時候我們在談ART的時候他又計數了15%但是現在的話是10% 10加N |
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所以現在的話他們一直在談301 301所以我們希望301條款在這邊那你們這麼有信心對ART這麼有信心的話請你們未來我們要談ART的時候一定要把這個 |
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把我們ART組談定的這個豁免權放到301裡面可不可以當然國會跟整個社會對我們的談判已經初步表示是願意給你支持的話那我們對外力道會更強我們爭取維護國家利益的力道就會更強所以我們談判代表一定要把 |
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因為有最惠國ART裡面有最惠國最優惠國對不對我們把最優惠國放進去ART這個豁免權裡面我們大家才能夠穩定才能夠放心我們產業才可以繼續充斥也可以緩衝緩和一下對不對那在ART裡面本席也去調閱有看到一個情形 |
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就是說我們有編列一些預算在這個預算裡面我們希望說我們能夠對於產業的各方面去執行去關心去看看他們的整個調查的情形在我們的任性的特別預算裡面我們編列了 |
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5447億裡面經費我們經濟部裡面就有460億的經費本部跟四個署但是我看到這個資料裡面我們有除了產發署跟我們中小企業署 |
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他們有在執行其他的都沒有執行每一個都有執行這資料都是你們給我的那個都有執行他的貿易署他是一年一併核定 |
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我們編列的預算這個114年我講114年的不是全部的預算就是按時來他三月多的時候他會一次核定核定完以後就是一年所以是每個暑冬期執行執行的期是怎麼樣對都已經在執行而且我們每一個禮拜都在開那個檢討報告 |
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現在總共大概有申請的案子大概有三四千件的案子進來那我們合訂的已經合訂的是超過大概一千七百多件已經在執行每一個署都通通在執行所以這四個署都是必要的不是產發就是商發所以還是貿易署這些都很重要我們PLS預算有一項 |
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本席要提出來就是我們貿易所編列6850萬特別有在114年已經預算給你們的有1350萬希望說我們要研究美國經貿動向對我國的影響盡量持續的跟美國智庫這邊討論跟溝通這是114年都沒有在執行這個他是要招標的現在在招標 預算是114年 |
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每一年都有這個預算所以動作太慢了你們慢半拍產業就需要我們政府的支持你們慢半拍我們怎麼樣救產業怎麼樣挺產業呢那個產業的部分就是廠商的部分那個都已經在執行但是因為跟智庫合作的部分可能還要招標的程序好 趕快做產業希望我們政府去支持他 |
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政府沒有在做我們桃園都在做我這張圖表給大家看一下我們桃園做的我們深度在我們本地的40個企業裡面去深度訪談我們通過知道這個產業他們需要的什麼尤其針對於他們的外部壓力跟我們內部的衝擊跟未來因應的整個策略 |
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這了解之後的話我們再配合我們的任性的特別預算去支持產業產業才能穩定的發展所以部長加快腳步好不好關心了解產業尤其是我們這個高關稅變來變成到現在的石家恩 |
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產業競爭力輔導團也一直在執行當中那趕快做我們支持產業那剛剛特別有提到就是說在這個ART裡面有提到一個整車進口關稅未來會調降到零關稅我們國產汽車的衝擊我們有沒有評估出來對我們產業的影響是在哪裡 |
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有就是評估起來的話一些相關的產業的話當然這個是用模型推估的整車的部分那一般估計起來可能會影響到大概40億台幣左右所以我們也編列了大概30億匡列出來準備因為現在還沒開始實施部長本席要提醒你一件事情 |
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你知道我們整個整車的有6家整車廠2700餘家的零組件到維修廠的整個產業鏈是非常完整他們整個產業可以造出7000億的產值你用30億去支撐7000億你看看這支撐的力道夠不夠呢 |
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我們評估過啦因為比如說零組件您剛才提到零組件公司的話他不僅是幫整車廠來做之外他還可以出口那事實上我們去美國出口來講的話是最優惠的是15%是在232裡面是比其他的國家25都還要來的低這是我們 |
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談到了這個優惠的關稅出來部長 院長現在產業有具體的建議因為你未來你這個降到零關稅大概在三年來執行逐漸下降對不對那產業界有個建議就是說我們的貨物稅 |
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可不可以比例式的下降我們貨物稅大概15%到30%貨物稅已經先調了先降了我們去研究也一樣要調降給予國產車世界各國對於國產車都有在保障不要說保障說支持所以我們也對我們的國產車要去支持讓他們有這個競爭力可以緩和他們的衝擊可不可以我們貨物稅已經先調降了但是它不能內外有別不過 |
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因為我們雇用稅是用定額所以我們用5加2的方式是定額的 定額減少定額減少對於低價車 平價車來講比較有優勢因為你高價車跟低價車減的稅是一樣的所以我說是比例的你們去研究怎麼樣比例的要不然我們民眾說我們台灣只有一個制度去保護我們國產車 |
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就是高關稅所以民眾就要用很高的價格去買車子所以這個跟同樣的比例我提到是比例我沒有說全部好不好所以這塊請你們去研議給我們的整車的股產車大家有信心一點第一個進口降關稅有利於消費者 |
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但對於產業我們已經提出了30億的車型天下的這樣的計畫那對於國內汽車的售價我們在去年嘛去年就降了這個貨物稅那麼再加上他的太久換薪等等一部車可以降到10萬元本席提的是因為我們三年會逐漸把17.5%的 |
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進口關稅逐年歸零所以我們的貨物稅在保護我們國產車你也可以想出別的方法有產業是說在貨物稅就可以調價比例性的調價請你們去研議好不好給他們有信心政府非常關心挺我們的產業我們持續關注所有的變化再來進行必要的檢討一定要注意這個貨物稅因為我們貨物稅也是蠻高的15到30% |
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接下來本席希望說我們對於我們目前營銷的關稅問題我們要去看各產業需要幫忙的我們要快速的去幫忙接下來本席要提的就是這個我講的因為你們已經公告要去執行了就是我們廚餘養豬全面轉型黑毛豬的產業前途茫茫 |
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本席為什麼要這麼說我們的農業部陳部長我們在委員會已經討論很久了公布了要全面廚餘要禁用廚餘去養豬但是為什麼會用廚餘養豬大部分都是養黑毛豬養黑毛豬的地點大概在屏東跟桃園尤其我們為什麼要用廚餘養豬的情形部長你也在這邊 院長 |
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我跟你報告因為成本問題黑毛豬牠們的飼養期是12個月到15個月比白豬多了一倍的時間白豬可能6個月就可以了所以成本這麼高所以除以也是他們是減低他們成本的問題 |
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最重要還有因為廚餘他們會弄熱來吃黑豬吃了熱的廚餘之後的話他們會比較肥長得比較快長得比較大而且口感品質也會比較好這個前身我一定要讓院長你了解為什麼養黑豬的養豬戶這麼 |
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緊張未來他們是不是自生自滅未來生計在哪裡所以一再要本席再次再次的跟我們院長跟部長再來提出來那現在我們農業部也聽到我們的反應了也很努力那我們的蓄產所也研發出了五種的飼料這個飼料給黑毛豬吃的這個飼料給他們可以來用那很多的補助飼料的補助是到今年年底 |
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飼料補助是不是不漲是不是到今年年底所以本席在第一個請求的是我們轉型的補助是到今年年底對對今年年底那本席的意思是說可不可以因為黑毛豬的飼養期剛剛提到12到15個月白豬是6個月這個所以他們的飼料的補助可不可以用常態性請去研究不要在這邊拒絕我可以嗎可以嗎 |
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我想基本上我們到年底的話是轉型的一個協助而不是飼料補助飼料補助純粹因為非洲豬的飼料補助已經是到去年的12月底就結束了所以從今年開始都是在轉型的相關的這些補助 |
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今年為什麼會是還有一年就是因為家戶的廚餘是去年就全面禁止了今年還有四月的廚餘緩衝這一年那所有要用廚餘養豬的人他們要做什麼事情他們要裝GPS的車子去載運他們要有監視器去監視他們真主的狀況都做了花了這麼多錢就這一年為了這一年要養豬要廚餘養豬所以他們做了 |
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但是今年年底之後所有設備都要拆除部長 本期再提醒你廢料 植物性的廢料是可以飼養的 豬的對不對植物性的廢料還是要珍珠啊 |
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還是要蒸煮那為什麼要把這些所有的設備拆除掉呢你可以給它去蒸煮嘛剛剛前提 粉絲也提到了要煮熱你植物性的肥料可以用它如果去煮熱高溫殺菌不是更好嗎 |
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讓豬的腸胃會更好嗎我跟委員報告現在植物性的廢料跟禽類的下腳料的部分我們會輔導轉型成一個有規格有品規的一個循環再利用的一個飼料它不是像過去就是蒸煮完了以後就出來我知道 我是說這個機器設備不要叫他們強迫拆煮沒有 |
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基本上在個別的養豬戶就是要拆除因為個別的養豬戶從過去的經驗你只要讓牠珍珠長在那邊的時候牠就有可能...部長你有沒有去看看養豬戶為什麼這麼堅持牠要這個珍珠我另外...未來我們會跟日本學習日本的 |
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那個除以飼料化除以飼料化之後以後跟那個廢料那個植物廢料的話廢紮的話去整個去蒸煮還是要蒸煮啊攪拌還是要蒸煮所以剛剛強調熱食熱食所以請研議部長你不要再拒絕了我們委員會討論過了我現在是請問院長本席都提出來看看整個過程你都聽到了可不可以去研議 |
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給他們不用去拆除他的設備他們有監視器喔有監視器看他們使用的情形喔未來的植物廢紮或者是我們仿效日本的這個飼魚飼料化成為這個塊狀化也是要去攪拌去蒸煮它才會融化的 |
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所以請我們再去研議好不好我們用一年的時間跟業者來商討一年內來處於禁用我知道你們要不要轉型大家討論出來這也是一個趨勢產業養豬戶已經提出來了所以我們現在可以補助的盡量補助可以輔導的就全面輔導希望在明年就可以轉換成把這個 |
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這個共同珍珠中心總貫成這個肥料的再利用循環利用的飼料中心所以這個就是我們的政策那現在 政策我知道你要保護萬一那個非收施婚再發生啦屏東的養殊場轉型得不錯台中跟桃園我們會全力再下去輔導 |
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我跟委員報告現在435場的廚藝養豬戶有將近一半的養豬的頭數是已經轉型了特別是彰化以南的幾乎都是用植物性的料圓跟禽類下甲料所以我想我們會針對桃園地區我們會更加力道去輔導他讓他的原來的使用的植物的部分用場外的這些工具你要講數據我先講一下你聽我講 |
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全國有435家的取得廚餘再利用的許可養豬場有192家已經申請了轉型為飼料的養豬另外243家則是安裝了真主設備的監控系統他們在廚餘也有安裝GPS在兩大前提之下他可以緩衝在今年可以繼續用廚餘來養豬所以 |
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部長我剛剛前提講的你們都沒有用心去了解他今年裝下這些設備就是為了會繼續可以給豬吃熱食所以有監視器GPS所以請你們可以去研議好不好 |
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我再提 棄言語 不要在這邊拒絕這是養豬戶提出來的不要讓我們養豬戶的產業無法永續經營黑毛豬是我們台灣本土的產業希望他們能夠繼續的生存他們生計的問題我跟委員報告我們一定會盡全力的協助我們的養豬戶來做轉型那轉型過程中一定會跟養豬戶找到一個最好的一個方法 |
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好 請研議最好的方法希望養生戶他們能夠度過這個轉型期好不好 這轉型期你們就繼續關心怎麼樣再去輔導政府跟業者要共同來協助那既然你們要輔導他們 這最關鍵今年是轉型期 現在是三月底了 |
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你們說要參照日本廚藝飼料化的經驗讓我們的黑朝向堆肥化、能源化跟飼料轉型所以日本的廚藝就有分類回收瀝乾再粉碎再做乾燥去除了雜質等四項工程把廚藝加工之後的話成為塊狀作為飼料這些設備請問 |
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做了嗎規劃了嗎什麼時候做好我跟委員報告現在目前全台灣的原來的共同政府中心只有一家是在苗栗的全順那現在目前有九家在做申請那在申請原來是希望變成共同政府中心那現在我們立我們現在正在跟他們在談是不是可以轉型為循環飼料的一個工廠就是類似日本的eco feed的部分那裡面的相關的設備跟設施如果他們願意做的話政府會來協助 |
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來做共同的限制設備有了有了嗎什麼時候開始執行去做沒有我們現在正在跟他們在談就是剛才說的那個短中長期的計畫做出來啊什麼時候可以提供第一線黑豬的養豬戶可以使用 |
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我跟委員報告我們在苗栗的全順的部分我們會優先來做輔導我們的目標是大概在七八月的時候就能夠有真正的循環再利用飼料去來提供那現在的部分是透過我們敘事所的飼料配方的改良讓養豬的期間不需要到一年半可能可以在大概一年到九個月的時間能夠縮短甚至於豬的品系我們也會去做改良所以 |
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部長今年緩衝期明年全面禁止用廚餘你現在要仿效日本的飼料廚餘化 |
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我一直問你什麼時候可以給黑豬養豬戶使用你明天全面要禁止了啊你現在就要提供出來啊我跟委員報告黑豬不是只吃你沒有期限的話養豬戶怎麼去使用呢土黑豬不是只有吃這個循環在利用的飼料它一般的飼料或者飼料配方改良的配方都可以當作飼料所以它只是多一種選擇趕快做我們已經在努力在協助業者一起來做 |
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所以這都有規劃一家夠嗎一家工廠夠嗎一家是不夠的我們希望還有其他的包括屏東地區苗栗的地區然後我們也在跟桃園市政府合作是在桃園市那邊是不是有相關的這些原來的環保公司他可以來做這樣子的一個工廠這個我們一直積極在處理本席在這邊為什麼說要你趕快加強來處理做因為 |
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你現在都是事業廚餘才有大量的家庭廚餘呢家戶的廚餘呢你叫我們瀝乾之後就丟到垃圾裡面去到時候到焚化爐燒焚化爐很容易出問題的這都要分類啊可是做落實分類又有點困難因為已經瀝乾了所以這些必須趕快把廚餘飼料化才能解決廚餘的問題也可以讓廚餘做循環經濟 |
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好不好謝謝委員的關心我想我們會努力好謝謝部長接下來本席要請教的就是觀光產業來 |
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因為現在疫情之後我們的觀光產業真的是非常非常的低迷據我們觀光署的資料裡面說2025年我們出國的人有1894萬人創了歷史新高但相反的來台灣的觀光人只有857萬人 |
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那這整個逆差將近有1037萬人如果說我們用人均的消費來看的話出國的消費我們抓到大概4萬塊他們大概創造光光的產值是3437億然後到台灣的 |
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來消費的話我們抓五萬五千的話他們消費大概是出國的人消費五萬五千的話他大概是一兆零五百億這樣子的觀光逆差的話大概就七千億所以我們的因應措施是什麼尤其是我們賴清德總統特別提到觀光國家隊那你們對於人才對產業對商品項目你們輔導的情形如何 |
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先講現況先跟委員報告您所關心的這個觀光的議題其實台灣的觀光逆差從民國78年就開始到現在差不多37年的時間到38年的時間那因為台灣是一個外貿型的國家所以其實大家出國的頻繁的次數相當的高那另外台灣的經濟的狀況成長的快速的時候出國的人數也會增加我們有看過這30幾年來的這個比例看起來是只要經濟狀況好那出國的人數就會多 |
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那跟委員報告確實我們這幾年的觀光人數連續三年到四年之間我們其實都是很穩定的在成長前年成長了一百多萬人我說的是國外來到台灣的旅客那去年成長了差不多八九十萬人也是不少那我們希望每一年都能夠穩步的成長不過有一個好的現象是所以部長 |
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國人愛出國啦那國外的觀光客又不進來這種情形我們要了解要找出關鍵的原因關鍵的原因是什麼你可以找出來是不是我們的觀光景點不夠有特色或是我們的觀光景點的特別的地方又非常重複性很高這些也是個問題 |
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這個都往去突破了包括文化 人文底蘊這些或有深度旅遊的部分你們都要去創造出來要有所改變特色是很重要的深度旅遊也是我們目前正在推廣的希望把那個遊程更有深度化 |
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幾項具體的工作跟委員報告我們今年一整年的中央政府總預算當中要實現我們的市政計畫就是發展觀光推升觀光我們要發展會展經濟國際會議經濟國際體育賽事跟演唱會另外我們在北回之巔 |
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南部的北回之巔以及微笑南彎我們都有具體的計畫我們現在全力搶修花蓮太魯閣讓它成為再度能夠引起觀光話題的一個地方接著呢阿里山還有鐵道文化另外我們也注重文化的觀光包括你們這個桃園鄧宇賢的紀念館中照鎮的文學生活館等等文化把它放進來好 都有在做但是 |
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加強我們不管怎麼做就是讓觀光客進來啦好不好因為台灣人又愛出國但原因關鍵的你們沒有發現到一個問題這是產業跟我講的還有所有民眾的反應最有感覺的反應就是住宿費住宿費太高了 |
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你看從疫情到現在我們的住宿費調高了將近百分之二十這部分的話我們也知道你們努力鼓勵國人平日去旅遊會補助一千、兩千雖然說還沒公告但你們還是要趕快去推動但是 |
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這個會不會變相又讓旅遊那個住旅宿業的人他有沒有變相的加價這些都要去關心那我們最重要是希望說我們政府對於這個旅宿業的部分要給他們做一個評定有一個審核要給他一個標準為什麼這麼說呢因為我們知道說他們要給觀光局 |
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給他們公安署給他們備查他們這個制定住房費的標準嘛普通房跟我們高級房或者是房間的這個住宿標準的價格你們有是備查制備查制的管理方面是比較沒有比較權利性的去控管 |
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所以他們會在假日就像你們剛剛院長講的有活動的時候或者是有假日的時候就會把原來是五千塊的住宿費變成一萬塊兩萬塊有這種情形反而你不能去約束他因為他只是備查而已這方面你們有沒有要做一個修正或者做研議對這個方面去加強管理讓我們旅宿業的住宿費價格能夠有個標準性的審核 |
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像委員報告確實我們在疫情的時候房價非常便宜那是因為疫情的需求比較低那這幾年確實他們有開始調回來所以大家感受上會比較高那去年整體的房價的成長的比例是只有0.8%左右那所以其實成長的比例並不高那我們現在也正在努力 |
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協助業者把這個成本盡量降低包含人力的部分包含其他的成本我們盡量協助他降低看房價能不能降低那另外我們有請觀光署有成立一個平價的旅宿的專業在網路上面我們整體2000家有優惠的旅宿那另外還有一些平價的旅宿我們提供給一般的旅客如果你想要最便宜的你講得這樣子表示你有用心去深度了解這些觀光的困難最重要住宿房間費太貴了好 謝謝你 加強努力 好不好 |
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好 接下來請回接下來我想問國防部院長 是君愛民 民進軍國防有任何需要在地方有什麼配合要演習的民眾都非常的配合那因為在我的地方龍潭的林雲崗這個靶場噪音非常大 |
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這個問題我們一直都有反應但是反應的話就沒有下文所以今天才會在這邊跟院長來報告也請部長來關心因為這個打靶場非常吵以前民眾都忍耐忍耐那我這個打靶場比較特別離這個靶場非常的近所以他們一直反應沒有辦法後來我們去現場會刊的時候又找我們那個 |
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六軍團的參謀長還有我們的司令部都有到現場我們只在門口外就聽到靶場聲音非常非常的大所以我們也要求他們做一些隔音設備那預算都有編下去也都在做但是我們現在是說 |
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民眾很細心有去規劃去了解他每天打靶一年365天打靶時間超過200天從早上8點到晚上的9點院長你可以想像就是整天在你家裡門口放鞭炮一樣這麼大聲但是我們就需要說要怎麼去管理就是我們最重要有一個法規面就是我們可以把 |
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這個木鱗廢我們變木鱗廢的話他可以給他比較接近的人可以裝氣密窗喔但是這木鱗廢裡面我一把這個清兵器的這個木鱗廢給排除在外 |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
請部長書面再回給李委員好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝李委員 謝謝左院長下一位請林楚英委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 主席有請卓永泰卓院長請卓院長備詢林委員好 |
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在這個詢答開始之前呢首先我要先在你面前也肯定昨天在內政委員會當中劉世芳部長在委員會當中的表現他完全就展現了行政團隊守法合法依法行政的表現 |
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李貞秀女士她的資格不是透過立法院的協商說她能當立委就當立委那如果是這樣的話台灣還需要選舉嗎台灣所有的立法委員通通只要藍白合一覺得OK就好 |
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3783.563 |
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韓國瑜院長想要用朝野協商的方式來放水但是我肯定行政團隊對於雙重國籍有質疑的人必須要在此之前排除他成為立法委員這樣一個部分所以我予以肯定但是我現在比較擔心的是上個星期五我們在這裡 |
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的中選會人士的投票當中發生了就是民進黨所提名的完全被在野黨封殺我非常擔心這個過程其實是一個幫李貞秀女士洗白的一個詐騙集團的行為為什麼我會這樣講呢 |
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我們看到的是其實我相信行政團隊包括之前張東海秘書長也曾經為了中選會的人士去進行拜會當時不論是國民黨又或者是民眾黨都肯定這一次的提名我是來自於媒體這個有畫面有真相我就剪輯了一下當時 |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
張端涵秘書長到黨其他在野黨黨團拜會的畫面來讓大家看一下也讓院長來回憶一下 |
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這次中選會的委員被提名人在立法院是佟玉全我希望這是一個朝野合作的開始幾位委員被提名的請到立法院國民黨台上把我們親自表達歡迎 |
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中選會的提名人選是不是一個好的範疇?我們NCC委員的提名比照中選會的模式,你覺得會不會比較有機會? |
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我想這個結果跟這個結局完全是出乎意料之外的看到了藍白的真面目這是我手上整理的一疊資料包括剛剛院長你也看到了傅寬琦說這是朝野合作的開始羅志強予以肯定這是好的開始民眾黨的黃國昌前立委也說公事公辦理性負責態度來審查甚至於陳青龍都說要求NCC人士要比較中選會人士 |
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3938 |
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我就問院長這不就是一個詐騙集團前面先跟你講好話後面呢完全推翻過去自己的講法全面的封殺否決了民進黨的提案人媒體適用說這可能是朝野 |
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合作互信的崩壞但是我要點出來的問題這是未來當李貞秀李女士這種不具資格沒有能力連質詢都還要黨團助理在旁邊咬耳朵的傀儡就馬上透過中選會來洗白嗎所以中選會成為李貞秀洗白組織嗎因為你看到的是民眾黨提名的通過國民黨的提名通過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
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所以中選會成為白藍機關嗎未來我們在乎的包括有爭議的法案不再急投票公投綁大選這個白藍機關是不是也要一一來洗白所以院長你怎麼來看接下來他們是不是用一個詐騙的方式透過民主的方式不斷的傷害台灣的民主謝謝委員這件事是我現在心中極大極大的遺憾我必須在這裡跟委員跟所有的國人說明清楚 |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
去年九月我主動向韓院長表達中選會的提名是不是採用政黨推薦的方式韓院長當時也非常的允諾也允諾要協助但是在九月初我再次跟他提起第二次的時候韓院長跟我說國民黨正值黨主席的改選 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
他們的討論希望改選之後再來討論這個事情我記得黨主席的改選應該是10月18號左右吧我跟韓院長說好這個事情提名我已經慢了我已經向國會表達歉意但現在到10月18號還會演我已認了有任何的責難我都認了我都不會講出這一段但10月18號以後我們希望能夠用政黨比例政黨推薦的方式 |
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來組成這個被推薦人的名單韓院長也說好所以我在10月28號行政院正式函文給三個黨團有中國國民黨民主進步黨以及台灣民眾黨希望他們能夠依照所有的規定表格來推薦優秀事任的人選10月28號正式的函給三個黨團 |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨在11月4號也分別回韓特別推薦了不同的人選也回來了所以我們隨後就整理所有的人選包括跟民主進步黨黨團談所的人選就一併送出幾個人選上個禮拜二就在後面的小房間我特別再跟韓連長講一次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
這個名單是三個黨團推薦全部送出來的我希望能夠全部的通過讓中選會正常運作上個禮拜五表決之前當下我再度電話跟韓院長表達 |
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4145.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
我聽到媒體的報導說國民黨只要通過幾位對民進對行政院提出的幾個人選要不予同意我說這樣做下來我無法交代我會變成罪人可是事實變成如此把一個獨立機關變成只有中國國民黨推薦的跟台灣民進黨推薦的以及 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
4157.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
民主進步黨行政院提出的四個人選當中只挑一個他們能夠接受的讓其他三個全部落選談何誠信如何合作這種事情發生在國會殿堂裡面是對國會極大的侮辱 |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
但現在事實已成如此如果讓它形成加上原來的市會八位現在的委員們其中有一半是藍白推薦把獨立機關變成藍白機關而且違背當初所有的承諾 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
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NCC投票之後我也非常的生氣 但是沒有看奈何後來委員都跟我說 如果你知道中選會就不會 NCC都不過了結果中選會還是不過現在又在談 希望總統府監察委員也要這樣做還要上當嗎 還能上當嗎 還要繼續上當嗎 |
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好 所以院長其實本席也希望透過今天的質詢我們把整體的事件做一個還原但是確實接下來政治講求的是誠信如果說今天跟在野黨無法再做誠信的朝野合作的時候其實整個國家只是無法解決問題而所有面對的狀況只會民主崩壞 |
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所以包括現在他們可能透過可以開會的中選會包括我們擔憂的不在即投票又或者是公投綁大選等等這種影響到台灣民主制度的部分現在只能靠行政團隊要依法行政那麼這個部分確實會影響到台灣的民主政治我要表達兩點張東華秘書長帶著所有的被提名人到各黨團去拜訪的時候 |
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以及私下任何的電話的聯繫都對我們的提名名單表示極大的肯定到時候結果是如此這變成用一種話術來告訴我們提了中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨要的人提出來之後只同意這些而且第二點我們在接受這些推薦名單的時候 |
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中國國民黨跟台灣民主黨推薦的人行政院沒有去問他們任何的政治立場沒有問他們任何的政治表態就因為是兩個黨人推薦我們就其中把他送出來結果在審查的時候我聽到的我看到的是用這幾個委員並不支持不在即投票的理由就把他刷掉 |
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這還能讓中選會成為一個獨立的機關嗎這是政治凌駕獨立機關以前在這裡批評行政院的事情今天立法院藍白黨團全部照幹所以面對這樣的一個已經看似存在選舉公正性存疑的這樣的一個獨立機關本席就像我開場講的我擔憂的是中選會成為 |
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李貞秀女士的洗白機關更成為爭議法案的洗白機關那麼這就是一個白藍機關那麼對於整體的國家民主的發展會造成非常大的疑慮我點出來也希望接下來行政院我要再向韓院長 江副院長表達一次行政院會再送一次三個人的名單被落選的三個人我們會再送一次三個人的名單我希望中國國民黨 台灣民眾黨 |
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身為一個在國會殿堂有席次的政治團體不能言而無信人民在看歷史在看如果我再送出三個名單這三個名單就代表行政院補送三個名單我願意補足程序讓你們補足誠信好 |
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本席也非常期待喔這個最重要的是中選會還是要還給中選會公正獨立性人民對於選舉跟台灣的民主制度才會相信跟信任好接下來呢我要來看的是這個藍白在這一次的中選會當中讓我們看到了詐騙之數的詐數喔那麼無獨有偶的跟中國對於台灣的滲透的詐數一模一樣那就是用AI的假訊息現在不斷的在 |
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干擾台灣的選舉行為包括台灣跟日本當中現在都受到中國的輿論假訊息的影響其中中國會透過指導資訊公司或者是公關公司或者是水軍等等來針對我們現在的日常生活來進行影響那麼我們看到的是台灣國內的異常帳號 |
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年增1.7萬那麼我們的爭議訊息是年增15.5萬則所以整體來說我想國安局的這個報告非常明顯的點出的就是這個手法越來越精細尤其是透過AI製圖又或者是AI的造假我們來看下一張我全面的收羅了包括在外交方面有說我們 |
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氣台胞不顧在經濟方面有說會斷氣但是今天都已經是3月17號了完全沒有這回事在交通方面連高鐵都會有來騙長者來誘導高年級的高年資齡的族群那麼至於像生活的方面就會有聊天 |
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APP是來自於中國然後騙取你的個資我要強調的是中國的認知作戰已經是全方位的滲透撕裂台灣對於台灣族群之間的不信任對於行政單位的不信任那麼對於這樣的全面全方位滲透尤其是AI又加入請問行政團隊有什麼有具體的方式嗎當我們在面對打仗我們會有一個跨部會的作為 |
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而我們現在看到的這個中國的認知戰已經是跨部會的時候那麼我們行政團隊有什麼作為 |
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謝謝林委員的關心有關於來自於中國大陸排山倒海還有鋪天蓋地這種AI深微的短影片還有機器人製造的假帳號加上中共所操作的錄製APP可以說都來影響我們自由民主憲政的運作甚至剛剛委員說的從日常從借選 |
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大量的影響我們的認知那我們如何面對這些嚴重的認知作戰我們有四個重點第一個就是我們行政部門要通力合作包括像我們陸委會像我們速發部針對這個假訊息對我們影響我們最重要的就是要立刻的給他揭露 |
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這個揭露是當下最重要的當然這有一定的難度特別是溯源調查的時候需要各部會一起努力這第一個第二個許多的網路平台都是跨國企業像Google、Meta、Line這必須要透過國際合作來降低假訊息的氾濫那第三個當然我們提出了很多法律工具像我們國安法、社會法 |
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針對這個危害我們國家安全跟社會安定的這個假資訊特別是您剛提到這些樣態我們需要有好的法律工具那這些立法都已經送到立法院來我們希望朝野都能夠支持最後就是我們要進行整個社會的大量的試讀教育試讀網路安全 資安安全以及試讀中國大陸跟兩岸關係避免受到這些假訊息的影響 |
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台灣要建立自己的民主防衛機制讓社會更有韌性我們才能阻擋 |
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好 謝謝謝謝林委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請馬文君馬委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請卓院長 請外交部部長 請內政部部長卓院長還有外交部部長 內政部部長請備詢 |
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馬文好院長好 部長好今天我們就幾個議題我們希望跟院長還有我們幾個部會來做探討的就是說現在其實在很多的霸凌的面向上面不管是在校園的霸凌也好職場的霸凌也好或者各個場域的霸凌現在其實還是充斥在我們的周遭我們也常常看到很多相關的訊息 |
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那院長不曉得對於霸凌有什麼樣的一個看法或者有什麼樣的因應之道 |
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是謝謝委員的提醒我們是從過去我們有部會發生過嚴重的這種事端之後我們從內部跟外部都做了相關的一些必要的這個防範的措施申訴的管道讓他更暢通申訴的層級也讓他提高甚至引進外部的力量來對這些案件做有效的一個最後的一個裁判讓所有被申訴人能夠在被保護的狀態底下勇於說出自己不公平被對待的這樣的過程 |
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那麼也因為有更專業的心理的智商的問題讓他能夠事後得到這樣的一個心理的五福位這個我們都全面在各個部會裡面全面展開 |
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所以其實我們在很多職場的霸凌上面就是說包括總是被貶義被批評或者像不公平的一個待遇刻意的排擠孤立等等包括勞動部其實大概也做了很多的一個宣傳職場的冷暴力被同意刻意的疏遠排擠貶低批評羞辱惡意的操弄等等其實這個就是職場的冷暴力這個也是霸凌那我們很希望其實他 |
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應該在我們這個自由民主的國家這麼重視人權的一個國家我們應該要好好的守住這樣子的一個它的一個大方向尤其我們應該要守住這樣子的一個照顧就是每一個人都應該被照顧所以接下來我想要請教我們的外交部長我們現在我們過去像丹麥他給我們 |
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就是在居留證上面他從台灣本來你的那個國籍他可以寫台灣現在變成中國他從2024年3月一直到現在2026年3月已經長達兩年的時間那他有沒有改變我們在持續交涉中那我們也對應的降低丹麥駐台代表跟他們這個辦事處的一些 |
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特權另外我們也協調了包括G7在內的歐洲國家協助希望丹麥依照歐盟國家對我們的這個交往的一個標準來進行 |
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但是他們因為有特定的人的立場沒關係就是目前其實我們還在交涉中嘛對不對那另外就是在近期發生的就是韓國韓國跟我們其實來往非常密切我們國人到韓國旅遊的啦我們的貿易的經貿的往來啦各方面其實還包括很多的競賽等等其實韓國可能也是我們可能會選擇去的一個很重要的一個國家 |
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可是他近期在他的那個簽證電子簽證上面也要求可能在國籍上面是寫中國台灣那目前我們的因應作為是叫國人盡量是填寫那個文書就是可能用書面的所以在這個部分我們又做了什麼樣的一個努力現在韓國有做調整改變了嗎 |
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報告委員本來韓國是2月1號開始要全面電子化這些路徑的表格那經過我們交涉他們還是維持紙本跟電子化並行可是我們相對應也對南韓我們現在稱為南韓他在台灣的這些登錄包括戶籍資料就以南韓稱之另外涉及到對等我們也已經做好準備經過國安會還有我們跟內政部 |
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這個移民署等的協調我們也有配套的做法總之外交就是秉持對等尊嚴對 部長可是我們還是沒有辦法改變現狀嘛先暫時停止它繼續惡化我知道 你說在國內我們稱它南韓可是它所有在全世界各地其實大家稱呼它是不會改變的那就這個部分我們也希望其實就國際現狀我們很理解 |
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所以我們也能夠支持我們所有的外交的努力然後在還不能改變現狀的情況之下我們希望給大家機會然後你有更多的空間時間然後更強力的去表達我們自己的訴求 |
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那接下來我想要請教我們的內政部 劉部長我想請教一下如果說我們中華民國的國人我們已經有身份證存在的我們到底要怎麼樣去看待他 |
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你是說到韓國去的事情還是不是就是如果說我們中華民國的國人任何一個國民我們要應該怎麼樣去對待不管他來自哪裡如果他有中華民國身份證的話那當然他是等同於我們中華民國所有的權利義務都包含在內 |
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那我想要請教一下因為現在大家最近這段時間包括剛剛有委員關切到就我們現在有一位委員其實他的身份到現在還是雖然我們在行政團隊對他不予認同 |
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甚至剛剛我講的這些冷暴力或者像各種這樣子的批評羞辱我覺得已經讓大家在我們在地方上我們聽到很多的聲音因為它不應該發生在我們國家裡面 |
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今天任何一個他已經在這裡生活了三十幾年即使他過去有在中國大陸出生的那剛剛我們提到的包括外交處境你現在的現況我們請國家之力你都沒有辦法去改變一個國家說把我們的那個名稱把它改回來 |
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今天我們如果有辦法你今天是一個行政團隊你今天如果它是非常不恰當或者它就是違法的你直接把它停掉當你還沒有辦法做到這樣的時候我們希望尊重每一個人因為那樣子的被對待今天雖然我出生在台灣我也很會說台語 |
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我也一直愛台灣可是我們一直被貶義說你親中賣台那些我們也把它吞下來這個是沒有辦法被別人貼標籤的可是當今天有一個人他現在還有這樣的身份你們這樣的對待我覺得已經超過了如果可能 |
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既然行政團隊你可以釋憲你可以不附屬你可以去解釋包括我們的預算接下來等一下要談的你都可以在幾天前你的解釋是違憲跟違法可是現在又可以同意他 |
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去做這樣的實施所以我想看我們怎麼樣去解釋這個事情今天三位站在這裡我們只希望給予人基本的尊重今天如果他不行你們就直接說他不行直接找出一條法律 |
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就讓他離開他今天可以站在國會殿堂表示他還有這樣的資格請尊重每一個人每一個中華民國所有的國人這是我們想要講的我想要表達的我們按照國籍法第一個中華民國國民他有參政權 |
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部長我沒有要跟你討論法因為部長我沒有要跟你討論法今天如果他有雙重國籍他不行你就讓他馬上離開 |
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這是我說 我現在要講的是這個部分如果還沒有要去處理這一部分你要去處理這一部分那如果還不是的時候我們希望你尊重每一個人身為人就必須要被尊重這是中華民國存在最大的價值 |
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是一個尊重人的國家過去民主進步黨也是這樣犧牲的啊我們希望你們去注重這一塊你要怎麼處理它我們沒有意見你今天如果它是違法了你就好好的處理可是不要用這種態度不要用這種對待我覺得這是 |
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很不人道而且真的很傷人今天我身為女性今天我身為我們一個人這樣的尊嚴我們覺得這樣子真的是很大的羞辱所以在這裡我們這不是他自己決定的啊你中選會之前你審查過啊你大法官也監視過啊你這邊沒有做到的時候你讓他一個人去承擔他有辦法去中華人民共和國去拿那一份資料嗎 |
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我剛剛提到的你請國家之力你都沒有辦法讓一個國家去改變我們的稱呼你叫一個陸配一個中華人民共和國出生的一個女性你去拿這樣的資料如果真的拿不到你們明知道拿不到 |
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妳要求他做這樣的事,如果他不行,妳這個不行,妳去處理這個部分嘛這是我今天要提出來,剛才我們很心平氣和地講到這樣,我們目前還想要尊重雙重國籍不能利益地道委員接下來我想要請教院長請回 |
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好 我要講一句話你談的這件事情跟人跟性別都無關它只是跟國家有關跟法律有關我們遵守就是國家的法律我們的法律現在我們接下來所說的新興計畫也是法律院長 |
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我們的法律其實有很多的解釋是看你怎麼解釋你先從尊重然後再去執行你的法律你要執行法律我們沒有意見我們也尊重我們國家的法律應該怎麼走應該怎麼做我們都非常尊重可是當你還是的時候我們希望這是基本的人權 |
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應該要尊重身為人應該被好好的對待你喜不喜歡是另外一回事你法律是另外一回事今天今天有一個違法的人去在職場工作的時候你即使不喜歡他即使他有其他的我們歡迎所有的人來加入中華民國這個大行列但是你要在這裡從政必須要 |
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具備合法的要件你處理這個部分嘛你處理這個部分嘛今天所有的行政權所有的法律的解釋權所有的權限都在你們手上的時候你應該去做的是這個部分應該去做的是這個部分而不是去貶義因為他這三十幾年來他沒有在這裡犯過法他沒有做過為非作歹的事情我們希望尊重的是這樣 |
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院長我們講到的是這個部分如果是這樣那我們剛才還要求我們也可以這樣要求說你自己都講得那麼大聲我們編了那麼多的預算你應該跟其他的國家講說我們就是中華民國你應該不可以包括寫中國我們跟立法院都講不通了我就跟哪一個國家講你如果兩萬 |
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那是你的問題欸是立法院的問題我去外國講不通我們在立法院都講不通你要我去跟國外講那是你的問題如果今天你對其他的國家你也做不到我就說你以一個國家之力你都沒有辦法做到所以立法院是比外國還外國的啊立法院獨立在中華民國之外嗎 |
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院長身為院長你不用跟我講這個那是你們去討論的你沒有好好講院長今天院長的職務是你我現在提出這樣的建議你聽不聽你們可以自己去做選擇 |
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今天在這一塊土地上面我們希望每一個人都受到尊重你應該依法辦理我們尊重可是請尊重每一個人這是我要強調的接下來我想要請教新興計畫的部分 |
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新型計畫我們目前在上個禮拜立法院有通過718億38項的這個部分大概就民生類的TPAS或者生育補助治水防洪等等我們同意行政院先行動之之前行政院發言人其實他也強力的表示 |
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這個是違反預算法51條既違憲又違法而且史無前例可是主計長已經說了其實他已經把這些公文大概也發出去了就是說根據預算法第54條 |
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我們是可以先行動之就這樣子我們從現在跟剛剛對照就法律看你怎麼解釋那我們還是尊重如果說這是必要的我們還是希望可以去動之相關的預算不僅可以照顧我們年輕人 |
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它在我們現在少子化的狀況上面既然有這樣的政策我們支持那另外在治山防洪治水防洪的這個部分因為台灣現在又快到了雨季那大概也很容易發生這樣的災害我們也同意希望這些預算可以先通過先行動之尤其是對於百萬人可能會用到的這些交通的這些相關的補助我們也同意那就這些我們現在 |
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如果就我們剛剛的說明跟解釋我們之前說不行那現在又可以那他的考量或者他的轉彎的那個他的用意到底是什麼也謝謝委員提到剛剛說718億這個是必要的那其他的98%我認為也是必要的 |
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沒關係你認為必要 那你應該要說服大家是不是他哪一個部分必要我們有機會來這裡說服嗎 連副委都不副委那個跟副委沒有關係院長那跟什麼有關係 請你告訴我 我如果來這裡說服我告訴你最大的那個癥結點就是軍人加薪還有錦囂的他們所得替代率 |
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合憲我們就編而且追加回來那你剛剛那個你也可以先釋憲啊先不附屬啊因為你剛剛你們在上個禮拜你說這是違憲然後又違法可是這個你們現在就馬上做了為什麼那你剛剛提到的那些 |
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照顧軍人接下來我們等一下還會提到我們的國防預算當你沒有人沒有優秀的人才沒有足夠的人力的時候我們邊界比偏低的時候你要多多的預算都是騙人的因為你沒有相關的人院長你如果在這裡講法我們剛剛也是要把它提過來 |
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法律的是用行政機關來解釋剛剛你說的軍人跟警消的那個問題那不是那個法律本身的問題是他違背預算法違背憲法立法院來替行政院編列預算的問題這才是違憲的問題他沒有特別編列預算他建議你這樣你可以編那你之前之前我們的 |
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原住民的反法條例你也過了那時候你們也說違憲違法所以我說你現在法律是由你們去做解釋的所以我們現在可以去體會的我們現在認為去體會的就是你可以去解釋憲法或法律嘛 |
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到底是不是這樣因為反正我們現在都是一直在進行當中我們現在提出來大概就是這個狀況今天如果可以讓我們做這樣這麼大的一個轉變不然你說違憲那你也可以去送解釋那你現在沒有辦法送的時候你還沒有的時候它就還沒有成立 |
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當你還沒有被解釋的時候它就還沒有成立所以這一點我們也請院長要明白這一點那接下來我想要請教的是我們現在連續兩年我們通過的總預算都非常的高幾乎都達到近三兆甚至都超過三兆雖然今年的我們還沒有審議剛剛您說為什麼還沒有 |
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其實主要原因就是這樣我們希望我們照顧到所有的預算其實好好的照顧到每一個部分那我們在預算編列的這麼多的情況之下其實地方常常面臨到很大的一個困境或問題就是我們在申請補助的時候一般可能有一些社團甚至社區或者有一些地方的團體 |
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或者像一些民間的一個協會等等其實他們要申請補助或者地方政府要申請補助的時候其實現在都比較困難因為我們中央大概也常常會說我們的經費不足或者你的整個計畫書的內容不夠明確內容不夠好 |
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然後我們不知道你的效益在哪裡甚至連兩萬十萬常常都拿不到補助那地方政府就更不用說了比如說我們有很多的治山防洪的計畫過去我們有很多的濃水路尤其像我們南投縣多山多水尤其河川多那像上一次在花蓮因為一個破口其實它整個堤防只要一破掉它造成的損害就非常的大 |
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可是我們現在如果要及時去做這些可能在很多建設上面的一些申請補助的時候其實都很困難那院長就這個部分您的看法是什麼我們未來四年編了1000億協助縣市館河川改善這個委員應該知道了那這筆錢就是你剛剛認為有必要的那718億當中所以預算通過了我們才能用 |
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做這麼簡單院長不是您錯了因為過去沒有特別沒有編列這些新興計劃的時候我們每年我們相關的預算都有因為我不是第一年到所以我們現在過去就是已經有這麼多的錢可是他現在不容易補助那現在很多的補助他需要很多甚至每個補助的計劃書動輒都要一整本然後寫很多然後才常常拿不到 |
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那就這些部分我們也希望我們中央可以去體恤我們有很多的地方的單位其實他需要這些相關的一些挹注其實縣市館河川本來就是縣市政府要去這個不是河川而已啦包括我們有些地方他可能產業沒有我講很多嘛我說還有社區啦還有協會啊很多協會比如說他產業只要不是全國性的協會也是地方政府該協助不是嗎 |
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有很多的協會中央一直都有現在還有那個沒有搞清楚的問題因為現在的預算他就是可以補助院長我們現在要提到的是當你在對於有很多重大建設或產業發展或產業觀光促進活動的時候我們看不到很多的政績可是我們看到你不斷的一直在這裡 |
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其實跟我們對嗆沒有用我們要的是希望大家可以做更好更多的這些建設讓台灣更好讓我們所有的安定我們有沒有提出六區的產業生活圈 |
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我們有提出AI新十大建設如果沒有這些新興的計畫你就不會做事了嗎?光光我們看到這些你們不是沒有預算欸 |
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海運90期我們的總預算只有一兆八千多億到了現在賴清德政府已經高達三兆的預算去年就已經差不多是這樣的規模你說你沒有預算不能做事這是騙人的這是欺人的你在欺騙所有的國人那你去年的錢都花到 |
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你去年都花到哪裡去你去年已經編這麼高的預算我們現在還要再提出來今年我們所有的很多的預算包括你的總預算都已經非常高馬委員希望我們一年編一兆的預算嗎馬委員你希望我們一年編一兆的預算是不是你說什麼你說我們現在應該跟馬政府一樣一兆的預算嗎 |
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你剛剛不是這樣講嗎馬政府一照做很多事情我們現在三照沒有做事情不要扭曲我的說法我說馬政府實施我說馬政府實施編列總預算一照八千多億你現在已經高達近三照你說你沒有預算來執行我說的是你說錯了 |
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我要告訴你也是這個我剛剛從來沒有說過你應該編一照八千億或者一照你說錯了今天身為院長如果是來這裡談判的你沒有資格置在這個位置我們代表人民我們希望可以表達台灣的聲音 |
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你今天是金融不足的,你是想要照顧台灣?你是認為中華民國沒有特別三兆的預算嗎?三兆的預算你好好的去編列你有通過嗎?如果我剛剛講到一個癥結點今天軍人你都不願意照顧只說你要過三兆你只要你要的錢你有照顧軍人嗎?你有照顧警消嗎?現在這些缺人缺得非常嚴重為什麼? |
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你去問看看為什麼有些軍人還願意勉強留下來因為他們認為有這一份家籍因為他們的生活需要因為他們現在在為國家保護國家去年一直連我們對軍人加薪了171億171億給誰軍人你現在我們說的是所有你說你錯了哪些軍人 |
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院長你說一下我們對很多的戰鬥部隊都加急了哪些軍人哪些戰鬥部隊書面我們講過很多次了維修的辛不辛苦再請部長講一下維修的辛不辛苦我們通過的不是那一部分院長你今天如果不願意照顧軍人我剛剛說的不見得都是戰鬥部隊為什麼沒有照顧軍人你現在就是沒有照顧軍人我們通過的法律希望你們可以確實的執行現在我們要再提出來的 |
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我們在今年近年國防預算不斷的升高馬政府時期是三千億蔡政府大概最後一年大概也將近六千億現在賴政府已經高達九千四百九十五億而且在去年底 |
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也就是在幾個月前你們還通過了因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算5447億這個部分在國防就佔了1110多億你現在又編一兆2500億我們 |
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部長之前其實也有提到啦部長其實您在擔任國防部長之前你是在國安會大小軍團你都參與過我們的國防預算你也都經歷過很多我們軍購不是第一年才產生才有軍購的這個部分過去我們在沒有特別預算的情況之下我們每年的軍購不管你是買魚殺飛彈、飆槍飛彈、刺針飛彈、拖勢飛彈或者包括我們的魚雷 |
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各種武器裝備還有包括我們的戰車我們都是編列相關的預算因應那時候的預算規模就是我剛剛講的有3000億有6000億你現在高達9000多億你跟我們說你不夠然後你又編了1100多億你去年編了1100多億裡面你有看到那是要做什麼嗎 |
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你包括廁所包括買桌子椅子包括買很多平板電腦都編在特別預算裡面你現在的一兆2500億我剛剛提到有很多地方要申請經費的時候寫了一大本的規劃書拿不到半毛的補助款 |
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今天你編一照2500億的時候剛開始如果不是後來部長這邊有開了一個機密會議你們甚至連內容我們通通不知道然後你就認為說一照2500億全部通通要通過就像部長講的我們支持國防過去 |
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部長在國安會期間有任何的軍購案是被凍結或者被刪減嗎沒有其中有一次有凍結的部分只有魚雷MK48MK48從107年建案到現在現在115年了長達8年的時間現在一枚都沒有來 |
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說非常重要可是還連一枚都沒有來你們在要經費的時候都跟我們說非常的重要可是當他沒有來的時候我們說F16不是我們拿這個來消遣我們的行政單位F16是我們的主力戰機F16V現在到今年是特別預算的結束年今年最後一年現在已經3月了12月底就結束了我們的 |
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這個到底要怎麼處置他可以來嗎66架2500億的特別預算他如果沒有來對我們戰力會造成什麼影響有對國人做過交代嗎我們現在要買的是什麼東西你們做過清楚的交代嗎除了現在美方提供的發價書明確出來以外我們過去也有軍購啊我們可以用機密預算 |
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當你提供需求的時候我想這個部長非常清楚他之前在國安會當你提出需求以後我們提出他們會提供報價單報價單以後他們經過很多的程序以後同意以後會給我們發價數我們才公開出來這個我們都理解 |
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所以有一些如果是軍購的部分我們會知道他應該要什麼樣的流程可是當你一照2500億你到底編什麼到現在都講得不清不楚的情況之下你們說我們一定要編到底為什麼 |
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跟委員簡短的報告好 第一點我想國軍去年的邊線比都有提升流營率也提升 那麼志願役的人數也增加我想這有功於這一個有可以歸功於我們去年的這個戰鬥部隊等等的五項加解大幅增加 這是第一點說明 第二點我想一照2500億現在是在調例 調例如果沒有護委根本沒有在委員會有案子沒有在委員會有案子 我們還特必 |
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還沒有互違之前我們就來做機密專報其實理論上來講應該要經過互違我們才有可能去做專報啊所以一照2500年代是條例先要審查審查的時候我們會去做這個專報專報來說明整個條例它所編制的各個的項目 |
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之後條例通過以後我們還要送預算交給大院審查預算通過之後委員應該也知道是等預算通過之後美方的發價書才會過來啊對不對 這整個建案的程序其實是要我們先跟美方有一個初步的願意公售的意願之後我們要編預算 編預算才有發價書啊這是第二點 |
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第三點我想相關的這些我們跟美方所籌購的這些項目確實像你講的F16它有遲延的狀況MK48有遲延的狀況但是不因為我們有這些遲延的狀況我們就不需要再講持續的強化我們的戰力持續強化我們的戰力是一個最重要的事情 |
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今天這些延宕我們就不部署其他武器裝備這是錯的我們所有的武器裝備我剛剛講了這個已經延宕好幾年可是我們每年還是通過很多的預算所以你講的是錯的但是你剛剛講到一個重點你說我們的流盈率你說我們的流盈率 |
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6502.924 |
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今天我有意見 當這個部分你餘累都還沒來 潛艦都還沒有測試過了以後我們為什麼有預算 你到今年我們是前年通過的院長你可以知道這個部分你這個部分你只會耍嘴皮子而已你今天沒有民運體育 今天如果部長 今天如果 |
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不需要持續的增加我們的防衛人權跟我們的戰力啊你說有戰鬥加急如果這個可以有影響流營率好 謝謝 謝謝馬委員 |
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6541.11 |
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好 謝謝卓院長 報告院會休息十分鐘 休息之後繼續進行質詢 現在休息 |
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7316.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
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包園會現在繼續開會我們請王委員美會質詢主席南加院長左院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
7367.882 |
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委員長 委員長本學要先跟你談到一個才華法的問題在這裡本學有做一個才華法在83年的四個月前有修正獵養護衛再來83年的12月20日我們在歡迎三頭通過再來84年的3月21日總統公佈才華法 |
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7384.213 |
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7409.342 |
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再來在一百十四年的財務利益與其他業務的通過 但是在這裏面我們有修正理導的公司的問題後在一百十四年12月13日才發放公布我們追溯於一百十四年三月利益的生效在這個規定裏面 院長本事要跟你談到的就是 |
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7421.182 |
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總共一句話就是中央跟地方的錢要怎麼去分配才是重要在這個過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
7423.001 |
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我們的應用度 如果分配不好的時候會有很多應用度像社會福利也好 照顧老人 照顧孩子這是非常多的應用在這個過程裡面 在本省所了解 找資料的時候在84年12月3日公佈的時候 |
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7450.734 |
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7467.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
一百十五年中央合格二期的通酬分配款是一百十八月第一天通酬分配款的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
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因為這幾本的財劃法的修正中央統籌分配稅款減少了4000多億所以這個錢就跑到地方去了分來地方就比較多錢 |
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7513.862 |
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所以中央在一般性的補助跟計劃性補助做調整現在財務法規定說一般性補助不能夠少於前一個年度的2,501億所以如果再減一大堆再維持計劃性補助再維持中央根本就變不出這個有存 |
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所以就種一些物資可以調整做一般性補助或維持2500公額這是不定義的在化所以院長你所說的就是不定義所以一般的補助有時候在地方會必定當 |
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還那麼久?是不是這樣?現在我們為什麼要跟你談到這?因為地方的風風雨雨,說中央沒有支持,自己支持啦!該因為不來這次上海 |
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是國家 要不然我身為嘉義市的民意代表我認為嘉義市的建設還需要中央的配合啦 |
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加錢啦所以說 站在那一點不管是站在坐或坐的時候院長本事要跟你談到的就是說物資都去的 什麼東西都去的包括我們要補助給貝斯我們也去的 是不是這樣所以在這個過程當中本事要跟你談到的就是說未來加日期 |
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| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
7614.811 |
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拜託院長就是要用心給家綺再好好地 雖然家綺的生活會很好但我們要好好地 別人說我們要做好道德沒有這回事 |
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7634.961 |
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一定好 還要更好啦在這兩天本身要跟你談到的所以我一句話跟委員拜託 就是說委員如果能夠支持行政院院版的裁判法那中間分配又比較公平 |
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對地方 不管是統籌 還是其他的計畫性補助 能夠恢復就恢復但是這個分配 沒有國管局 管局查太多這是千萬台灣 拜託千萬來支持雖然我是省委及議區的民運代表但是作為中華民國 台灣的立委都希望每一個管局 都可以在中央的分配 公平跟公正 |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
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因為有的人 因為一天嘛 有的人分到這麼多 我覺得這不公平啦所以我們 未來的事情 我們一定要做得公平 公正啦在這兩天 第二天就是總議選 還沒過 |
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但是在我們的社會成長的時候有過這個新興的條例裡面有三十八項都共是七八十八億的來賓但是我們現在你也知道我是來自嘉義市嘉義市的建設你也有看到有機鐵路高架在正當 |
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補助20億,在今年中間要補助27億,要到40億要不然在這個過程,沒有人能夠討稅還要補助人家,因為你如果錢沒有來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7746.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
對健身、免犯派、對地方的應用就更大了是不是越南還是北京,回到未來的經濟體力更強今年要保守 |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
40億 要如何能夠自己一國軍來完成因為已經延誕2年了這個中台的建設 如果一直辦一直辦對這個社區認真 這樣是沒有公平的請來補充還是院長你會答謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7782.955 |
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用委員來報告啦,其實我們今年的議程跟目前為止還沒審查通過啦今年其實我們現在...我現在要問你問說假日期的債務高價的保障要怎麼處理? |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7786.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7798.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
委員報告 開始我們很擔心啦這個議程我們都有編 不是沒有編該開的錢都有編 但是議程還沒過我們今年 現在鐵路高計劃正在開錢的高峰期今年要開比較多錢比去年上面的資料也有看出來今年要開比較多 但是議程還沒過我們很歡樂 今年四月至六月差不多到那個時間 我們的錢就開完了 |
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7834.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
後面我們的土建跟電機工程跟其他的間接工程都會影響到這個部分我是很歡樂所以要拜託我們立法院可以趕快跟他算金通過我也希望這個建設可以趕快通過這樣不然你說的就是跟他的今年補助40億如果不去在這個過程當中一定延宕最緊要三年如果像你這樣說的時候還會延宕更久喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7864.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
這點我們是很高興,因為我們的醫生可以用到六月最高用到六月,後面就沒錢了所以要拜託我們李煥英今天要跟醫生同歸我覺得醫生我們也是要認真因為我覺得每一棟都一樣,我相信每一棟都需要這個醫生去建設他的雇傭 |
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7866.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7877.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
市民對他的價值和價值都一樣不說實在的 你如果不對他們的建設 算你要幹什麼啦在這個規定 本市要跟你說一下我們的溝通在本市所掛的這個溝通對一個社區來說是非常重要因為市民是他們家人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7908.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
的消費城市 也是觀光的好地方我們的觀光署也有統計一年有270萬人住在嘉義市尤其19年84年的時候有670萬人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7924.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
正經出出入入在高鐵的在這個過程當中我們有沒有拿去省下一天有萬倍的在高鐵的在本縣 |
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7933.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7948.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
在那裡的拜託 在那裡的情緒在這個過程 我們的台鐵也聽到了我們的情緒的聲音所以有普悠瑪一定在加2.7加2.10 |
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7951.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7975.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
再多幾個房子來回這是給一個觀光的社區方便和好地方但是本身房子還是房子就是高鐵的日夜車里開機車回的地方我們的安房也好快車也好煮蝦炒 |
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7976.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7992.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
到現在 每隔一半 本市每天可以坐到六點五十七分來到台北開會 每隔一半而已是不是業障加補貼 你有看到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7994.355 |
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8000.944 |
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嘉義的發展 嘉義台積電 阿滴亞社區 這些都在嘉義站為何嘉義站都沒有快車 尤其本縣 |
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8035.609 |
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看在澳天在台中的澳基盤又來台南租賃又說唯一就是沒天隔離站在這個隔離站是不是保證還是業障可以承諾未來可以給的地方有的人網路說 |
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僱傭人可以到台北看演唱會 暗示還有暗車站回來給他的僱傭我也認為家裡有水準 所以也要有暗車可以坐在家裡站是不是有這個規定 請補充院長回答 |
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跟委員報告我們今年八月會有新的車會進來明年就會開始上線我們希望能夠增加整體高鐵的運量那委員在講的沒有錯嘉義站是成長非常快的一個站 |
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8097.698 |
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那沒有進步的人還去辦,這樣對自己未來新車進來,我們會優先考慮加一站的增班優先考慮,沒有優先考慮啦一定要做啦,議長你看新座這麼多人,尤其是以前,也沒有台積電也沒有什麼你看自己的發展,是大家都有看到的所有的運動 |
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8108.304 |
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8115.212 |
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要趕緊去處理,讓家裡的溝通更好,他的社區一定會更加進步在這個過程當中,我想跟院長說我們家裡有附加醫院,在這個過程當中 |
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我認為包括補充也很好包括我們的業障也很好但是我們有看到家裡的老人的成長在這三四年本來是65歲有4萬5千人到今年已經成長到5萬2千人所以補充業障我認為 |
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我們的布加醫院有需要過程去檢出長照回來給它建設因為在這幾天的時候本身有去看到它的旁邊的天才庭它也有給予的茅廂 |
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新的車廂就是要加強運量 |
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8205.555 |
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不夠的地方 優先要保護下去家裡我們來慎重考量 慎重考量現在一樣住宿的機構如果地方已經輸給金管欠一堆 也要把他加進去因為家裡不是我們經營啦家裡是需求量跟使用力怎麼樣請部長來說明好 來謝謝委員的關心家裡實際上我們今天的長照的資源還夠 |
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但是當然是因為我們的老化的速度比較快 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝王委員,謝謝卓院長下一位我們要請鄭天才委員質詢當時八號院會現在在一場二樓 |
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8317.522 |
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貴賓席的是芝加哥大學的師生參訪團我們在此掌聲歡迎他們We welcome the students and faculty from the University of Chicago. |
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8317.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
8325.609 |
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Welcome.謝謝蔣副院長有請卓院長請卓院長背書 |
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8335.45 |
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院長好來喔來喔辛苦了不會我們今天先談原住民族的教育原住民的保障升學保障從民國五十幾年就開始了今天所呈現出來是71年教育部早期是台灣省政府教育廳在辦民國五十幾年就開始了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
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就我們就讀大專報考就讀大專校宴降低入期標準百分之二十五不限名額不限名額在民國九十一年的時候民國九十一年的時候教育部修正了這個辦法特別明定只限外加名額限百分之一委員者外加名額 |
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之前是沒有外加只要降低入企標準25%就入企然後在95年的時候又做了修正以外加2%為限然後102年做了修正建議修正後來是 |
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8418.44 |
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專案調高部分的科系5%外加5%部分的科系而已在這樣的一個前提之下我們看我們原住民 |
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就讀大專校園的學生的出債協力前果如果我們107斜年度前果是85.8%到113斜年度前果已經高達94.35%但是原住民跟非原住民的落差原住民一直維持在百分之五十幾而落差的差距從107斜年度的31.9% |
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已經增加到36.85%這個落差一直增加從過去國民政府時代民國五十幾年我們原住民的過去的歷任的立法委員或是主任委員或是部會所相關的這些審議員很多的這個都是因為有這個降低入企25%才有機會去念大寫所以在這樣一個前提之下 |
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就請行政院這個能夠督促教育部能夠把它調高為現在是專案調高部分的科系5%現在就全部改為外加5%部長是不是可以趕快修正 |
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報告委員都是國家的國民在教育平權的理念之下我們當然希望能夠教育更多的下一代的青年人讓他能夠為國家多做更多的服務跟貢獻那現在也是一個少子化的時代那目前到底這個數字呈現出來是怎麼樣我們先來了解我們了解之後我們再來看看是否有更好的一個空間請部長來說明現在原住民就學的比例我已經諮詢部長很多次了 |
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就按照刚才这个院长所答复的就请教育部事实上如果我们从这个比例来看真的是落差很大这是第一个第二少子女化 |
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很多的大學生大學很多的大專校院大學其實是名額都沒有招滿所以這個部分是真的是可以可以去調整就請教一步是不是一個月之內能夠 |
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8575.747 |
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現況說明一下我們現在以今年115選年度來看我們這一個各個管道原住民外加的名額已經有8286名 |
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8590.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
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你的書面報告都已經給我了重點是有書面資料我都拿到了上次我諮詢之後你書面也給我了重點是在於你的落差是越來越大像土木啊或者有許多的一些農業或者科技的一些我們也逐步的在 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8615.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8640.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
尋求跟這個大學的合作看開專班來協助那個都有我知道我那個我都清楚我們接下來看這個跟我們的能夠考上了好不容易考上了能不能繼續就學就跟這個這個學雜費的減免也有關係這個學雜費的減免也是在民國五十幾年就開始了然後這個減免應該要調高 |
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這事實上原住民族教育法也規定應該要減免這個協雜費然後如果我們看這個112年開始行政院針對私立的大專校的協雜費減免了少繳了3.5萬但是這個對原住民毫無授意如果我們看這個教育部所定的這個減免辦法 |
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8670.087 |
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8694.87 |
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從107年1月11號修正到現在已經8年一個月了院長 部長已經8年一個月都沒有調整所以從物價指數各方面來看也應該要調整這可以趕快調整嗎今年的預算來不及 明年的預算是不是可以來得及 |
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8700.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
我們就以明年的預算來開始趕快去修正這個辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8701.847 |
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8725.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
委員你應該知道我們對於市立大學的學生3.5萬的補助這應該是任何身份都能夠享受得到的沒有 原住民因為本來就繳得比較少所以完全沒有收益 這樣了解嗎完全沒有收益是 我們是分擔 減輕所有人的負擔但是對原住民而言 完全沒有收益並沒有這樣子增加負擔 |
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8726.997 |
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所以如果就單從原住民來看107年1月到現在也該調整了好不好趕快調整再請部長去研究看看我們已經有新的制度了那新的制度跟過去的制度怎麼樣來使用上對原住民朋友107年到現在真的很久了接下來那就請部長請回座這個內政部跟這個園民會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8783.987 |
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原住民族專屬的社會住宅我再讓院長還有部長還有園民會來回顧一下民國八十一年台灣省政府就興建了原住民國宅總共花了一億五千多萬這個是原住民國宅八十四年內政部台灣省政府跟台北縣政府 |
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8784.828 |
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8805.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
花了兩億一千多萬原住民的中正經店的國宅在88年民國88年中央人民會編列了四億九千多萬設置了這個汐止花東新村的原住民的住宅 |
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8828.761 |
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民國91年蘇貞昌當台北縣縣長的時候也跟中央人民會我那時候是副組委也是協助編列了2億8千多萬的經費在三峽的原住民文化部落這個是當時的一個現在的照片 |
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我刚刚讲的都是还没有原住民族基本法的时候还没有住宅法的时候原住民族基本法第十六条规定政府应策定原住民族的住宅政策第28条也规定对都会区的原住民要保障他安居安居的一个这个权利住宅法住宅法第二条第四项105年 |
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12月修正目的事业主管机关因事原住民主教育及语言文化的需要为什么会提到教育语言文化因为我们在都会期如果上机的话你要说相关的这些课程都是教育的提升有它的困难集中在一个 |
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社會住宅的話集中在一個國小集中在一個國中各方面的這些教育的提升都會有幫助所以才會有住宅法第二條第四項的一個規定所以要新辦專攻原住民族的社會住宅這個法例從105年到現在也很多年了但是 |
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我雖然106年諮詢過內政部當時內政部說可以用內政部的住宅基金但是這麼多年了之後我們看原住民的在都會區的住宅的自由率的落差高達27%到30%落差很大尤其是我們的原住民的都會區的人口 |
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已經占全臺灣原住民的人口占了2.63%所以有52.63%在都會區有設戶籍的如果加上沒有設戶籍戶籍還在原鄉的所以平常居住在都會區的高達70%以上所以這些住宅 |
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尤其是在成都的住宅如果有社會住宅的話會更好對原住民的教育、語言、文化的傳承都會有很大的幫助台中市、新北市、桃園市政府曾經提出三個社會住宅專攻原住民的社會住宅但是內政府說沒有錢園民會也說沒有錢 |
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我們本來很希望移民會的綜合發展基金也可以來使用移民會也說沒有錢所以這個部分住宅法已經修正九年三個月了現在連一個原住民族的社會住宅都沒有 |
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9030.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
要跟延期法之前政府都可以主動編列這麼多的經費是不是內政部 人民會是不是請行政院院長 督促督導他們這個提供相關的這些資源 |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
請劉部長來答覆謝謝院長謝謝鄭委員的關心我先跟鄭委員講一下住宅法的主管機關當然是內政部但是我們所興建的社會住宅是只租不賣跟剛剛委員所提到說原住民在都會地區裡面自有住宅比率是不一樣的 |
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完全不一樣的不是自由住宅這第一個現在我們根據如果是園民會他是目的事業主管機關他跟地方政府有達成共識需要來興辦前期的規劃的話我們在經費上面可以補助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
那另外一個也跟委員報告一下現在行政院通過的百萬戶租屋家庭的這個計畫裡面有三種包括原住民身份的人都可以來申請一個是租金補貼一個是包租代管這是民宅那另外一個就是社會住宅那您剛剛也看到了社會住宅從 |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
9119.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
土地開始取得到真正建構完成通常都要8年到10年以上的時間所以對於目前比較需求社會住宅的人我們會鼓勵他從這個地方政府開始去申請剛剛我說的這三項補助租金補貼也可以包租代管也可以社會住宅當然也可以那目前在新北聚落裡面所需要的這個社宅的比例中央是三分之二地方是三分之一 |
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你講的那些我都知道尤其是租屋補助是我開創的我在園民會當副主委的時候跟當時的尤哈尼主委跟當時的行政院張俊雄院長提出租屋補助開辦的政策 |
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| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
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是從原住民開始後來才擴大到由內政部來主管擴大到不分族群那個我都很清楚我們現在談的是說法例既然明定住宅法明定已經九年三個多月了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
要興建 要興辦原住民族的專攻那是根據原住民族的教育法不是根據住宅法住宅法裡面規定的目的事業主管機關包括其他的部會如果有需求譬如說交通部 經濟部也可以這樣子來興建那我們站在住宅法上面是會協助包括在規劃的階段 籌備的階段或者是都市計畫要通過的階段都可以來協助那個 部長 |
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這個是住宅法第二條的第四項住宅法的第二條的第四項不是原住民主基本法好 這個議題還是要請院長那個會後能夠跟請這個內政部跟人民會還是要法律既然制定了而且這個制定的時候 |
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民進黨在立法院是多數是支持的所以這個部分請趕快來去處理這個部長請回座接下來原住民族綜合發展基金這個很重要如果有這個基金如果能夠維持這個基金剛才講的那些問題經費來源都不是問題 |
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好我們看原住民族基本法第18條規定要設原住民族綜合發展基金早期叫經濟事業發展基金是我在台灣省政府擔任原住民行政局副局長的時候應省議員的要求開始設了這個基金當初的目標就是100億精神之後立法委員繼續督促人民會要設這個 |
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所以原住民族綜合發展基金曾經高達結算數是多少呢117億7千多萬元然後因為違法挪用了中央政府違法挪用作為禁法補償之用總共違法挪用到53億多將近54億 |
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將近54億在這樣的一個情形之下這個結算數113年已經是累積短數68億8千多萬在這個我們立法院在第九屆第二會期第九屆第二會期做了一個結議當時民進黨在立法院是絕對多數也同意也支持這個提案 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金這個用在禁法補償是有違預算法及延期法而且這個決議特別提到以行政院應發款應發款這被挪用的53億將近54億這個經費如果能夠有的話 |
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剛講的 等一下我會接機包括後面我要講的包括住宅這新辦就有這個經費來去支應所以這個部分這個院長因為這個部分不是延民會所可以決定的預算的編列要不要增加這個公務預算來去撥補 |
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這個基金是行政院的前者院長是不是可以依立法院的決議發還被挪用的54億左右的經費我記得鄭委員在過去也提過這個問題 |
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那當初我們說這個綜合發展基金的用途如何目前有沒有發生在財務使用上的一些急迫性需求請園民會來說先做說那個這個園民會的曾志偉他已經跟我說明過很多次了事實上真的是沒有這個經費 |
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在運用上是真的是差很多會逐年把這個經費會補過只是說沒有辦法一下子補這麼多了會逐年都有就是說還給我們那就要請這個主委多多多多的向院長跟主計長來報告來拜託 |
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多撥補一點會多撥補一點對法定的基金我認為一定先維持在用途上不發生困難第二我們看國家的財政狀況如何逐年來達到法定基金的法定條件有這個基金剛講的專屬援助民主的社會住宅就會有很大的幫助我剛要講為什麼住宅法會這樣子定 |
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他的除了一般的安基之外最重要的就是为了教育为了教育我说个故事我刚提到了租屋补助是怎么来的是因为 |
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我常常在度會期拜訪我們的鄉親我從省府一直到中央服務的時候去拜訪我們的鄉親我們的鄉親因為沒有辦法租適當的房子就租一小間一家大大小小住在一起就一間晚上父母親在那邊看電視孩子在 |
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9546.482 |
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住在旁邊做功課還真的做功課嗎一直看電視一直聽電視對教育已經到都會期了我們過去講原住民族教育的問題過去在偏鄉是因為相關的這些資源有限已經到都會期了結果仍然沒有辦法提升原住民族的教育所以我才會提出租屋佈住 |
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租屋補助是這樣來的當初跟這個當時的經濟經建會當時叫經建會審查的時候做了說明也跟行政院做了說明之後很快就通過了有這個租屋補助是這樣是跟教育 |
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現在的話就跟以炎無患都能夠所以能夠有這個基金可以做很多事情而不是說主委我們不要這個說我現在能做多少就好所以我們要有更好的何況法律已經明定專屬的這個原住民的社會住宅會也會包括到下面原住民保留地的貸款 |
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你看我們這個貸款當然要謝謝主委積極的去協調相關的機關銀行信用保證作業要點定出來了現在開始實施了但是如果我們以跟其他的房貸的利率比較的話借款人 原住民保留地的借款人負擔2.72% |
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人民會補貼1.28%總共4%要給銀行現在是三家銀行對不對對 4%那一般的銀行都是2%多 1%多的你看這個比較差那麼多如果我們綜合發展基金更有經費的話不一定要補貼這個利息我們用保證 |
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如果萬一我們的鄉親沒有還這個貸款原住民保留地拍賣只能原住民買但是如果有這個綜合發展基金跟銀行說跟土銀說我保證錢不還那他的利率自然就會降低所以這個部分都有關係因為我們這次的信用貸款的利率已經比一般的銀行要稍微低了 |
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那麼我還是好不容易就說我們希望原住民保留地能夠有這個價值可以去貸款主委我沒有否定這個政策很好這過去曾經有過我當副主委的時候也曾經有過是中斷了很長的時間陳水扁當總統 詹仲雄當院長的時候我們提出過也實施過但後來因為其他因素我就不多說了然後就中斷 |
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現在你讓他能夠恢復很好這個也是停了很久了啦現在我們要趕快來做行政院必須要給你更好的而且是依法依法原住民族基本法第18條有這個法例然後也曾經高達100多億的綜合發展基金我們把它弄回來還回來還回來之後自然你就可以 |
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可以更善用这个基金包括我们原住民的相关的这些住宅或是 |
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這些貸款甚至其他的創業貸款都會更好會更好對原住民族而言是更有幫助好不好 加油但是這個貸款其實是真的是目前來講以前沒有做過我們現在來做我相信這一定更能夠照顧我們原住民的族人至少目前的因為基金有限了所以目前的這個利率是比以前對我們原住民 |
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包括園民會來講都是負擔比較重的一個委員報告也希望我們的族人能夠自己我們一起提升自己的壽性條件這畢竟是貸款不是補助啦對對我知道這個我要特別跟族人特別這樣報告好 時間的關係了議題很多好 原住民自治及屠海法 |
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這個上一次質詢卓院長的時候在去年的10月31號質詢卓院長請行政院遵守中華民國的憲法 徵修條文然後陳水扁總統以原住民族陳水扁總統代表中華民國政府以原住民族簽訂的協定也就是條約然後原住民族基本法然後蔡總統 |
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向原住民族的承諾就是加快腳步將原住民族自治法及土海法送到立法院來審議行政院也曾經在105年承諾在105年的12月底以前會將土海法送到立法院 |
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上次質詢的時候特別請院長能夠在12月以前提出這兩個草案而現在這兩個草案都沒有當然諸位院長還會說以前送來都幾進幾出這個不能成為一個因為我上次有講 |
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上次送的都很晚都已經立法院要會期要這個屆期快要到了才送來曾經有一次真正在立法院有審查好 我先談在110年3月12號我質詢朱正昌前院長的時候他說我會分流立法分流立法 |
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我現在給院長給政務委員可以請指派政務委員來去研議跟相關部會行政院曾經在103年12月18號送了原住民主自治的暫行條例會有這個暫行條例是當時的考試院院長當時的考試院院長 |
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名字一下子講不起來這個他跟這個姚家文姚家文考試院院長他跟當時的孫大川擔任主任委員的時候所提的建議他提的建議是什麼呢原住民族要自治可以但是不要影響到相關尤其是花蓮台東的縣不要造成廢縣 |
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所以他提出了像国家公园区域的概念国家公园这样的一个区域所以行政院 人民会行政院同意就送了这个自治战刑条例在地法院审查了非常多次委员会还有朝野协商 |
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基本上完成協商那是很可惜沒有三讀通過可以現在可以再拿來討論他的一個逐期自治政府他不影響原來地方自治的事項華聯縣政府台東縣政府屏東縣政府的自治不影響 |
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他就針對傳統社會服務民族教育文化及語言自然保育原住民族土地及自然資源的管理事業經營及管理這個部分所以這個部分因為時間的關係就請這個也很複雜就請院長是不是指派政務員召集相關的部會來討論當時的草案 |
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怎麼樣包括立法院當時協商的一些條文的一個建議可以嗎我們會整理先請原委員把他整理出來我們整理出來跟院長報告好不好好接下來這個原住民族重大的歷史事件這個要跟院長特別來說明 |
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蔡總統在105年8月1號特別提到400年來每一個曾經來到台灣的政權透過武力征伐、土地掠奪強烈侵害了原住民族既有的權利總統府所設的歷史正義與轉型正義委員會的設置要點也特別提到 |
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要對原住民族以原住民受的侵害要立法賠償立法賠償這個原住民族重大歷史間各族群都有我們原住民族各族群都有曾經這個已經有這樣完全已經都有完全完成調查了這個當初也召開了一個發表會總統府 |
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行政院的政務委員、教育部、國使館都來參加好謝謝政委員好謝謝政委員,謝謝卓院長下一位我們請代會員委員質詢 |
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高院會現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是東吳大學政治系的同學在此熱烈的歡迎他們Welcome |
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好 謝謝主席有請院長先暫時休息一下我第一題請副院長跟農業部長來跟我共同探討台灣的一個農業在未來 |
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不好意思 因為副院長現在總諮詢他不上台備詢副院長在總諮詢沒有 屹立沒有 只有在專案的時候好 那就院長 還有農業部長部長還有誰部長跟那個 那就院長左院長就先不要休息 |
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謝謝院長跟部長我想今天針對的就是農業在這一次的一個談判的議題還有未來農業的一個展望跟院長跟部長做一個探討因為本席來自於農業選區農業的一個議題跟我生活上是息息相關 |
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在台灣這一次對美談判 其實我們農業的一個四大目標的一個達標其實這都給我們很大的一個鼓勵跟興奮可是這個針對於外銷 外銷更有利 國產有確保 |
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事實上這四大目標的一個達證是不是真正的符合農民的一個需求那目標是不是就是談判前的一個設定還是談判以後的一個包裝這個四大目標如何的一個奠定還有為什麼是這四項 |
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那當然就是說這整個談判的過程裡頭我想也要跟那個副院長感謝就是我們整個談判的一個團隊其實整體而言就是說這個談判的過程裡頭我們對於農業的一個保護事實上是已經做到非常非常的好 |
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可是其實15%的關稅他還在15%的關稅還在就講說我們的蝴蝶蘭蝴蝶蘭本來是沒有關稅的消美是沒有關稅的好那現在這個不管是這個15%還是 |
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這個12%那外銷的關稅對內的一個發展這個是不是請部長來做一個說明好不好我跟委員說明就是在台美的對等關稅基本上我們在談判的時候我們所處的態度當初的態度就是說第一個要確保糧食安全 |
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第二個就是讓我們的外銷維持競爭力那第三個就是要確保農民的權益還有產業領域發展那有關於確保競爭力的部分就是我們在談的時候希望說有一些項目能夠豁免那所謂的豁免對等關稅的話就是回到它的原來的MFN那像蝴蝶籃類的話它原來就是零所以類似這樣子的話我們去爭取以後有更多的這樣的一個豁免的項目那我們在 |
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這個案的內容雖然說現在還沒有完全定案但是就內容來講事實上是對農業來講是一個新的機會跟一個新的契機讓我們能夠有更強的外銷的一個競爭力 |
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好 部長 我想就是說一個新的一個契機我們當然知道貿易的一個談判其實這是屬於非常的機密就是說事前我們也不能洩漏的太多可是這個有很大的一個困難存在那在這麼多的一個困難裡頭我們不能把底線洩漏出來 |
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可是如果像目前為止我們看到了這個15%的一個關稅我們其實是擔心的因為擔心什麼擔心就是說台灣的農業的一個競爭他其實面臨到一個轉型上的一個困難那這個困難該怎麼辦那我想在這裡請教部長就是說針對的就是說在這一次蝴蝶蘭還有就是我們的茶葉那用什麼樣 |
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現在應該談完了是不是可以講就是說下一個下一個我們在農業談判的一個國家到底是哪一個國家會是日本嗎我想知道 |
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我跟第一個跟委員報告就是說台美的對等關稅談判我們有一個階段就是ART的這個階段那現在美方正在確認它的一個相關的這些法律本身的一個條文的適合性那我們不會針對這個部分去把它推翻因為我剛才說了它是一個新的契機而且是一個很好的一個結果 |
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那第二個部分就是說現在目前的10家MFN本身是對美國對全球性的所以我們的立足點是平等的那立足點平等對台灣也是有利的那以本來的32%或20%的時候那荷蘭以胡鐵蘭講荷蘭是我們的對手他只有15%我們20%反而是沒有利的所以比起去年今年現在臨時性的10家MFN其實是對台灣有利的 |
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那第三個部分就是除了美國市長以外我們還會持續的開拓其他的市場那開拓其他的市場的關稅的談判就沒有像台美之間用整體性的訊談可能是一項一項談我跟你講這樣的一個用蝴蝶蘭的一個比較說法荷蘭20%然後台灣15% |
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這個我聽不下去因為台灣本來是零的所以就是說在這一次的談判過程因為我們無一倖免我們無一倖免當然就是說在談判的過程裡頭是非常好的可是在所有的蝴蝶蘭的產業裡頭我們怎麼樣去補貼它這個是我們真正的要面臨到的一個問題然後我們必須要非常具體的去回復這一些廠商 |
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因為你知道在整個這個蝴蝶蘭的一個產業裡頭它面臨到了一個非常大非常大的一個困難因為我們沒有拿出一個具體的方法來所以相對的我現在也是要再跟院長就是再做一個請教就是說我們是不是有積極進行就是爭取進入到那個CPTTP的這一個自由貿易的組織裡頭 |
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如果是有的話其實我也是擔心的為什麼這個對於我們台灣的一個農業他變成就是說我們是很大的一個負擔因為我們出口的少進口的多那我的米我的稻米呢我的稻米在日本跟越南米他們不斷的精進的過程裡頭我們拿什麼去跟人家競爭 |
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拿什麼去跟人家競爭這個是非常重要的還有我們最大的困難在哪裡我們的虱目魚我們的養殖儀類這個是日本的一個強項萬一我們很積極的我們的談判的一個對手國跟我們要求就是我們也要適當的一個開放的時候那我們要開放什麼產業這個都是一個我們非常需要就是好好的去思維的一個議題 |
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那還有就是說 西木葉的衝擊是最大其實我們的豬 院長我比較不擔心因為我們台灣豬 他那個肉乾是進口的豬沒有辦法取代的可是相對的我們的雞啦我們的雞其實這個也是一個很嚴重的一個問題還有我們的公糧制度我們可能會被迫要去調整那我們有沒有準備好 |
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那這個是一個我想就是要在這個過程裡頭跟大家做不斷的一個提醒 |
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好 各位先做兩段的報告第一個是原來在談判過程當中在ART的內容我們爭取到與副院長的談判團隊爭取到美國是用IPA的這個條文給我們專屬的豁免包括蝴蝶男在內專屬豁免那現在因為經過美國最高法院的判決這個被推翻掉美國正在尋找其他的法律途徑所以他用新的122的這個條款所以這個專屬豁免就被取消掉了 |
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所以剛剛就是委員所說的本來是0現在變成10%在競爭力上比過去還不好所以現在我們跟美國談判最重要的原則就是我們希望極力爭取那麼也聽到美國有善意的回應我們能夠以原來的ART所談的內容 |
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所得到的這種相對的最佳的一些待遇我們作為未來再繼續後續在美國調整法律途徑以及後續其他法律調查的基礎希望維持在R的這個最有利的地位上面那這個我們雙方都有相當的默契當然要辛苦努力那我們正在朝這個方向來進行好 謝謝院長我只補充一件事情就是您剛才說的胡連安我們原來是零那事實上我們的競爭對手當時也是零 |
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那現在是10%他們也是10%所以在我們的競爭的立足點是一次的只是沒有錯增加了10%的關稅是對業者是一個負擔所以我們還是在我們的任性條例裡面的180億的這個額度之內我們還是盡量的協助業者這第一個說明第二個說明您剛才提的就是還有其他的國家譬如CPTPP本身的一個談判 |
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那其實在談判的過程中我們本身一定不會說全部都零關稅因為每一個國家談判的時候都有他必須要去守護著糧食安全的部分所以後續我想我們會來非常清楚補貼再補貼補助再補助所有的農業尤其是在現有的國際情勢這麼緊張其實所有的農業都是國安都是國安的一個農業 |
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所以我希望就是說可以再更多的補貼再更多的補助那我們現在就是說要再跟院長講到了特別講到了就是產業轉型的農業產業轉型的一個十字路尤其是養豬產業養豬產業其實我們台灣一年吃掉了700萬頭的豬那平均一天吃掉2萬頭這個是不是台灣人很會吃其實是 |
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臺灣豬站著我們日常生活裡頭我們非常重要的是一個食材那年產大概886億大概佔我們農林畜牧總值20%以上這是一個非常大的產業其實在這裡今天特別要跟院長來做一個探討的就是說其實時代一直在進步科技產業也一直就是在轉型 |
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那所有的畜牧產業其實也導入了就是一個智慧的一個養殖還有土地的成本這麼高那事實上就是說我們不希望就是每一次每一次的一個理容都是因為重大的事件發生了以後我們跟告訴他說你這個是那個所以你不能繼續吃我們是不是有一個比較好的方式就是說我們可以一先的來就是 |
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特別提醒他們就是說如果你們是老龍了你們沒有辦法是有一個產業規模化的時候你們應該先退場那在這裡我想要跟 |
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跟部長做一個部長跟院長做一個探討就是說轉型跟退場的機制有沒有辦法變形我們參考荷蘭跟德國國外的這一些資料裡頭尤其荷蘭是在歐洲畜牧蜜土最高的一個地方那他們其實通常是用什麼樣的一個方式你看到他們的一個預算也是跟我們農業部的預算差不多 |
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大概都是1800億可是在這個荷蘭它的離幕它有編了一個大概超過63億台幣的一個定期的一個預算預算就是說我要讓這些畜牧產業還是小規模的畜牧產業這些老農可以是以一個有尊嚴的退場 |
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那我想說這個是非常重要的就是也跟那個院長做一個提醒不要是每一次每一次我們的離幕政策都是一個重大事件不管是87年那個我們的口蹄疫發生還是我們97年97年的時候澎湖縣政府因為我們為了要把它 |
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那個發展為就是觀光跟虎島的一個有機的一個地方所以我們讓他整個就是養豬的產業畜牧的產業整個離開我想是不是應該就是說時代的變遷小型的牧場跟老龍沒有辦法符合現行的一個產業能量的時候成本沒有辦法再增加而不是出事了在虎島這個是也是跟 |
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院長做一個提醒這個是我們期待的還有針對的就是AI產業部長你請回我想邀請國科會跟經濟部部長針對的就是大南方大南方新矽谷的計畫 |
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那個院長做一個探討就是說如果我們用這個AI教護黃仁興在今年一頁在達沃斯的一個世界經濟的論壇裡頭他提出了就是說把AI的一個產業分成就是一個五成的蛋糕最上層的這個應用層其實就是我的機器人產業最重要最重要的一個實現的一個場域 |
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那我在這裡要跟院長做一個報告到目前為止我的六甲產業園區機器人產業園區看不到人也看不到錢所有的都移到了就是我們的那個砂輪所以這個是不是可以請那個國科會主委回答我為什麼問題會是這個樣子喊了這麼久了結果沒人沒錢結果又選團這麼好 |
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六甲已經啟動了現在公園院人人已經在增加當中但是我們的那個新的計劃機器人的計劃今年啟動但我們也希望說立法院趕快省這個預算讓我們的新的這個機器人的方案能夠盡快推動 |
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好那主委我跟你講當然也是卡在預算卡在預算也不是特別就是卡我這一條這個整個就是在野黨的卡預算已經是讓國家陷入一個這個非常混亂的一個狀況那我在這裡特別那個就是請教主委 |
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如果就是說我們機器人的產業如果我們是用100億的政府100億的投資那民間會多少的投資這個可以產生多少的一個產能我想聽聽看主委你怎麼樣規劃這一個產業他的KPY在哪裡智慧機器人產業就是因為要發展AIAI將來不是只有在電腦在手機上使用而是我們在各種各樣的行業服務型的機器 |
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好 謝謝 |
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謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長報告院會上午質詢到此為止另外依協商結論本次會議不處理臨時提案下午2點30分繼續開會進行質詢現在休息 |
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谢谢大家 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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卓院長 政府院長 各位午安我們現在繼續開會進行諮詢下面我們請盧憲一委員請諮詢柯政委員請準備院長有請行政院長衛福部長及原住民委員會主委請卓院長衛福部長原住民 |
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主委原住民委員會主委備詢主委好好 院長好那首先我先謝謝大概3月初的時候我有去原住民委員會針對我們PRIDE年底要在桃園市舉辦我跟原住民行政局的局長一起拜會我們 |
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原住民主委希望能夠支持這項會議在年底的舉行也就是泛太平洋地區的醫師的聯合大會那也希望衛福部可以支持我在隔了兩天以後我跟外交部的人員也跟原住民醫學會的理事長有做一個視訊會議 |
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希望他的補助能夠比照上一屆的在澳洲舉行的那個金額那也希望我們市部長能夠支持這項會議講到這個一個契機就是說這次我們要辦這個世界原住民醫學的大會在台灣 |
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可是看到我們現在治理我們原住民主健康的一個單位還是在我們所謂的科級的一個層次也就是在我們的護理及健康照護師這樣一個底下的一個規格那可以看到你要跨部會的一個整合比如說我們現在要拜會人民會我們要拜會外交部要拜會一些相關的閣員的時候是不是如果一個科的層級確實是沒有辦法來處理這樣的一個事情 |
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我們就平均裡面來看我們現在是6.98歲根據澳洲的研究是每10年大概會縮減一年不過按照我們國人的努力我相信這個進度會更快一點 |
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當然我們要處理的問題就是原鄉醫療巡迴服務健康處健文化健康站這些種種的一些問題我相信我們醫護人員真的是非常的辛苦那我想請問部長這方面有沒有一個時間表給我 |
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跟委員說明 確實如剛剛委員提到的過去原民大概跟我們的平均餘命相差大概是10歲左右在103年的時候那到113年的時候我們已經縮短到7歲所以我們確實在過去這幾年有努力的在縮短這間的差距那當然在因應著這個少子女化跟這個 |
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高齡化的社會我們在做這個主改那在這個組織改造的過程當中也會做內部的任務的調整那麼原本我們的這個護理及健康照護師裡面的也有這個專門負責3D理導科那未來我們會去強化在這個援助民族健康的部分的這個責任跟任務所以請您放心我們會來強化 |
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對 那常常會有人說就說可能是不是原住民族已經被涵蓋在各項的一些福利裡面比如說兒少、長照這些那我是希望說講清楚就是說 |
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就算說這些都涵蓋了可是我們的特殊需求還是沒有被處理所以才會有這些健康不平等的現象產生所以我還是希望有一個時間表希望在這個會期至少可以達到一個師的規格然後希望在近幾個月看看部裡面能不能有一個期程就是說就往署的方向來規劃當然裡面可能要解決的就是一些法源這些組織要怎麼弄一些員惡預算要怎麼整合這些部分 |
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我相信邊走邊看我是覺得說應該可以朝這個制度來走可以嗎好我們來朝這個方向提升這個他的這個專責的程度現在我們還有一些研究單位在國衛院可是國衛院今天沒有來那我知道他今年的預算是2500萬我想知道這2500萬是以後是固定有還是每年還是要去跟爭取呢這個是基本額度啦就是我們會建立這個原住民族健康的資料庫還有他也會有這個 |
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納入原住民族相關的專家或者是代表有一些計畫就是原住民族健康議題的計畫的身體像今年我們就有合訂六個計畫除了資料庫的建立這個大概每年都會持續的維護跟擴充另外就是針對議題性的跟學者專家來合作提升原住民族相關的研究跟轉譯 |
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因為我知道專門的研究人員像只有一名那我想知道說這個研究題目誰要決定這個判讀是如何解讀然後政策是誰要來做一個所謂的一個拍板定案那我是覺得原住民委員會的這個角色在哪裡好 跟委員說明在我們這個原住 |
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民族健康委員會我們在部裡面有設一個原住民族健康委員會委員會下面就設了四個組中間有一組就是調查研究組還有一個叫做中長城計畫組所以現在我們正在擬定下一期的中長城計畫所以也都會先經過這個原住民族健康委員會政策之一會這下面先討論之後才會提出來那研究的題目也是一樣會在這個會裡面先去討論 |
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我們常常被人家詬病就是我們常常我們的所檢查的項目跟一般漢民族跟我們的主流社會是一樣的可是明明我們的疾病形態跟基因形態本來就不同所以這些原住民族的健康資料庫有沒有真正進入決策這個部分然後做事實的修正或者說癌症的篩檢有沒有事實的導入應該是更貼近原住民的需求這個我希望部長跟原民會這邊能夠可以做一個連結 |
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有有有 這個我們有連結舉個例來講我們在做幽門螺旋菌篩檢我們就發現在原民部落的代菌率比較高所以我們一開始的這個前驅試驗前驅試驗就是在原鄉開始推動那今年我們是擴大到全部的各鄉鎮所以這個就是我們當時候一開始就發現有這個差異性所以我們就會把它提為這個優先的這個示範或者是推動對象 |
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不知道從什麼時候開始尿酸檢查就不再列入為全民健檢的一個項目可是大家都知道原住民族的尿酸值本來就比較高可是沒有這項檢測以後醫師還要特別再去找一個項目去勾選這樣會浪費時間我是覺得說就原住民地區應該就普遍要篩檢我們的尿酸值到底有多高 |
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那所以我剛才所說的比如說資料研究政策預算四散分離啦所以我還是希望說把我們的成績可以提高我們在做溝通的時候會比較容易 可以嗎好 我們來努力 微博部長請回好 謝謝何言下面我們請農業部長麻煩請農業部長備選 |
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針對台美的對等貿易協定我知道國家做了很多努力可是就偏向來說我想知道農業部的一些態度就是說我們有沒有單獨盤點比如說我們原鄉的農場蔬果高山茶、咖啡、紅莉、小米、樹豆部落加工等等我覺得有沒有一個獨立的窗口在做這樣的事情 |
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我跟委員報告就是原鄉本身的這些作物通常都是很具有特色的這些作物那這些作物我想我們都一直持續的在輔導我們成立了一個原住民的一個技術栽培的一個輔導團隊那這個團隊本身針對不管是紅藜或是小米或是你剛才講的這些 |
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總統的地方特色作物我們都希望種了以後後面要有通路所以我們一直媒合了這些原住民特色的產品而且給他一些品牌的特色然後銷到後面的市場 |
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那就原民會這邊我知道我們有原住民族農產消極價值輔導計畫還有我們所謂的原住民族經濟永續發展計畫對不對那我知道個人是補助20萬那如果是團體的話是補助200萬那是最高對那我想知道說這樣這個國際變遷這些計畫裡面有沒有哪一條是可以處理我們這次的貿易衝擊有沒有可以直接處理我們偏鄉的一個運輸的補貼 |
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印書的補貼我們這個主要是在補助就是說你有一些機器比如合作社需要一些機器他要買一些機器而且是比較適合我們原鄉的一些機器我們有這樣的補助我知道所以我說這些計畫裡面我看看了一個大概是有低碳示範產業推升創新成長這些包裝設計 |
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如果沒有做貿易衝擊防護,也就是說沒有作物保護,也沒有偏鄉運輸補貼的話,我覺得這次的衝擊沒有真正落實到安全網這樣的一個概念。 |
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這我們可以考慮把它加進去所以我希望能夠做到兩件事情就是修正我們原住民族永續發展計畫跟農產運輸加值輔導計畫的補助指標第二個就是把貿易衝擊防護及偏鄉運輸補貼正式納入這樣的話就可以跟農業部共同提出原鄉產業的衝擊評估不過委員跟委員報告原鄉的這些農產品 |
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在他的這個生產的品項當中外銷的比例並不是頂高所以我們認為衝擊不是頂大但是農業部還是有相關的整個支持的措施但會影響比較大的可能都是旅遊文化這一類的民間消費所以對於交通的部分我們在原鄉也有幸福巴士幸福小巴的這些現有的措施可以來補助一些關於旅遊上面在或者是從業的司機 |
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這個運輸業者他們在這個油價差額上面的一些補貼那這個都是有的只是說農業本身應該沒有那麼大的衝擊但是旅遊文化其他相關的消費我們還是會有一些補助的措施對我們因為我們相對比較小以示弱勢所以我常常會講說這樣的話他有沒有資格去申請那個300億的所謂我們的農安基金啊那這樣的話 |
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是不是有沒有一個獨立的審查標準原鄉的傳統作業的什麼類別有沒有數據可以證明說有些名單上面真的可以對原住民原鄉有利 |
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我跟委員報告現在農安基金300億並沒有正式的啟動會等到整個台美的關稅很確定的以後但是在特別預算裡面有我們有180億的這個基金那這個部分針對主要外銷的部分那您剛才講的原民的部分如果有一部分是有牽涉到外銷的部分那就可以用這樣的方式來協助好那謝謝那我們請農業部長請回那請交通部長請交通部長 |
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部長好我們現在大概就是在偏鄉的話就是有幸福巴士偏鄉MARS這些彈性的預約服務所以涵蓋率已經到95%以上雖然我們感覺現在是進步很多我還是想要知道說我們人要移動農產品也要移動是不是我們這個冷凍鏈或者是說我們的人到得了醫院這些規劃裡面有沒有在你的這個進程的一個計畫裡面 |
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像委員報告交通部負責的是民眾的移動包含剛剛院長所說的觀光客的移動這個部分我們會有一些計畫包含幸福巴士在內我們偏鄉也確實很多的小朋友跟老人家透過幸福巴士獲得很好的公共運輸的服務這個部分我們的補貼都有但是對於冷鏈的部分目前不在交通部的業務範圍裡面 |
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那我有一個構想叫客貨供載還有什麼我們就醫的這些交通車是我們目前有在討論這個方向就是說因為有時候只有載人上面還有一些空間那如果有需要載貨的話這個目前也在我們檢討的範圍裡面我們希望能夠靠客貨供載讓整個車輛的運用的這個效率可以更高那可以有更多的車輛願意到偏鄉去不管是載人或者是載貨這方面的協助我們是會來做的 |
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因為這方面是最困難的也是最不符合經濟效應的如果說你又把它推回地方政府的話我相信這個又會石沉大海 |
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其實幸福巴士這個案子呢地方政府是主管單位但是補助的部份交通部會來補助那目前我們也希望地方政府可以朝向客戶供載的這個方向如果在這個民眾搭車的過程當中能夠安全獲得保障我們希望能夠朝向這個方向那我們也會積極來跟地方政府來溝通好 那我就希望是原鄉偏鄉有車可以坐然後農產品可以走得出去病人到得了醫院 |
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然後我們的物流成本不至於壓垮我們的本地的產業這樣謝謝請回有請我們環境部長麻煩請環境部長備詢 |
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部長好最近去了環境部一趟就是針對我們返山的崩電案那知道有重啟那個出省的一個補正再省的一個問題那我想知道你目前的態度是怎麼樣 |
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包委員現在如果說這個風電離岸風機陸域風機離居民的住宅500公尺以內那一定要環評那我們現在的態度是如果是跟民眾有關那當然一定會嚴格把關所以這個目前來說的話還在審核當中所以我們現在基本上也會幫屏東的民眾等於是關注這個事情 |
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我先肯定環評委員他這次是有注意到就是說應該是不是有部落的智商同意啊那鳥類生態的調查是不是有一些落差針對一些低頻噪音一些什麼遜影效應對鄰近民眾跟學校的一些影響我當初我有去參加他們的一個說明 |
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我們還是覺得說部落同意這個部分的形式上是不是太過簡單所以我一直希望原民會能不能訂定一個標準你什麼時候要去介入因為通常這種關係部落誰來召集程序要做到什麼程度我覺得你要說服當地的民眾 |
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我們會裡面我們已經明確的要求這個開發單位他應該要依原住民主基本法第21條的相關規定那必須要辦理諮商同意的程序 |
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那我們知道這個範圍應該就是指的獅子鄉的風鈴部落跟他上面的那個單路對 那這兩個部落是關西部落就必須要跟他們就是要開部落會議要取得就是希望來諮商同意這個我們有明確啦 |
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有明確的要求這個公司我希望反三封電案它是一個很重要的契機因為它剛好是在漢元的一個生活領域裡面它有獅子鄉 有反三鄉所以如果把這件事情處理好或者說可以做以後類似像這樣的一個案件的一個所謂的指標那如果真的以後確實有興建的話你們到底是做了哪些努力我覺得這個方面也讓國人知道如果就針對傳統領域這樣的重大開發 |
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你確實讓每一個在地的生活的族人理解這個國家要綠電要怎麼樣國家的發展可是對他們的生活的影響的層面要達到最低這些前前後後要做的努力我相信那個環境不可以做把關 |
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還有一個就是他們風港溪種植西瓜60年的這個案件現在屏東縣政府大概也做了一些初步的一個裁釋可是在相關的網頁上面沒有看到所謂的裁罰跟查處結果跟改善清單所以我希望行政院能夠責成屏東縣政府能夠對風港溪的查處有一些 |
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時程表或者說退場的一個機制第二就是說如果確實他沒有辦法遲遲未做改善的話他總不能一直讓那個地區的民眾一直在享受那樣子的一個蒼蠅跟惡臭嘛能不能依照地方制度法第76條來啟動後續監督或是代行的程序第三個在國有登記完成之後國產所對戰友的清償補償金騰空返還以司法處處理時間表也要一併公開 |
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這個我們會裡面跟縣府的 屏東縣政府的延命處我們一直有在處理這個事情也很明確的就是告知我們公所有一些部分該停就是停所以我們並沒有說這個事情我們會一直來協助解決那個地方這個西瓜的那個部分當然有一些地也不是原住民保留地那應該是這個國有災難期的土地一樣 |
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縣政府也是會一併來一起處理希望不要造成我們的族人很大的困擾如果確實要出租的話他應該就部落傳統領域的話應該還是要取得部落同意的參與最後就是我還是希望原居法能夠長出制度的牙齒因為我們一直在講原居法第21條結果每次遇到這種開發案的時候地方政府或者是主管單位就是三推四推 |
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一直在拖延然後邊開會邊補正然後一直很像在騙主任那個把戲不斷的上演我希望園民會能夠站在這個主管機關的角色來確實把這件事情做好會我們會跟縣政府全力來配合協助好謝謝我們環境部長好謝謝第四個請公共工程委會主委請公共工程委陳主委備選 |
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好 主委好我們這次馬太案的重建就是中央變了300億的特別預算嘛那我們之前有講到一個名利村的教訓就是說其實他們明明地方政府都已經有在警示希望能夠趕快處理那個潰堤的風險不過它還是發生了所以我認為 |
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我希望這個工程會跟水利署能不能提出地方市井納入中央評估的一個具體SOP也就是說你地方通報之後中央多久會看誰來判斷何時補正最後誰拍板負責拍板因為名利村的這個教訓已經很清楚沒有把在地的知識放進去的專業可能就是盲目的專業報告委員名利村原來那裡有一段是沒有堤防但是因為井林比較有一個小山 |
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所以在鳳凰颱風的時候水有溢過去所以透過排水然後進入名利村不過那部分現在提防已經做好了而且做得相當高那至於整個撤離市井的部分相關機關包括農衛部會委託幾個大學在模擬 |
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當有一些指標比方說這個氣候啊下雨量啊有些指標到達某種警示程度的時候就要啟動撤離的這些動作這個都有持續在進行中對那我希望主委能夠把我們地方市警納入中央的一個SOP好不好地方市警地方市警以後你要納入中央的一個 |
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評估的一個時間表有 它這個相關學術單位都有在模擬這個要撤離的相關的這個指標不過整個撤離的工作還是屬於地方政府要撤離的 |
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我看了1月14號有一個工程機制第11502-00024這個函向立法院提出書面報告也就是行政院在公告災區範圍的時候有把秀林鄉跟濁瀉鄉納入災害認定的範圍這是遲來的正義不過納入災區以後我想知道這兩項的實質重建的資源在哪裡是從現有的270億執行額度去運資還是要動用到保留額度 |
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271裡面都已經有各部會他有提出計畫來那麼這裡涵蓋了光復鄉還有鳳林還有萬榮那麼都有包括在內所以我們秀林跟濁西沒有秀林鄉跟濁西鄉沒有嗎秀林鄉 |
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跟馬太岸 這是馬太岸的特別預算沒有包括秀林鄉你們有公告的災區範圍那災區它有可能就是比方說鳳凰颱風或其他颱風公告為災區嘛有工程會來審的一個災區受損的 |
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工程這個是由中央統籌分配稅款來支應的不是用特別預算因為這兩個所兩個相關所他們想知道他們自己可以動之多少他們被納入是不是只上作業而不是這個他們應該透過摘損要透過縣政府來報到工程會工程會會跟相關主管部會那麼現場去看那麼到底需要多少錢那麼就會由中央統籌分配稅款來核定 |
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就是根據他們12月23的一個光復鄉的說明會他們我們大概歸納一些民眾的意見就是說第一個土地安置的決策要程序要多久是要去哪裡申訴他條件是什麼所謂土地安置就是說我們的徵收啊一地一地一地復耕永久安置這些問題 |
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中基屋那麼已經有進駐了目前有41戶那麼原民的部分原民會已經在發在招標會在另外再興建這個中基屋至於徵收土地的部分呢農業部已經在當地辦過說明會大約有160幾公頃會由這個農業部來架構那麼這個架構 |
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之後上面的房屋也會補償至於有的民眾表示他希望以地異地要繼續耕種我們事後也會尋找相關台廠的農地開始用租的或以地異地讓希望繼續耕種的農民有耕種的地方 |
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我想知道一些農商損 設備補助 租金跟金融支持合了幾件有沒有被推薦 推薦的原因是什麼單一窗口在哪裡這個相關的補助有經濟部 有農業部農部大概針對農損經濟部的部分是針對生產器具 |
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那交通我們現在的汽車機車都有這個報費的補助所以都按照相關的法規來辦理所以有單一窗口都有單一窗口而且我們是到目前為止還有一個工作站在光復火車站旁邊隨時會受理民眾的申請 |
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就針對原民會這邊原住民的程序保障的一個補正表就是說哪些項目涉及原住民族部落哪些工程有沒有根據原住民族基本法第21條來啟動諮商統一哪些已經有開始還是沒有開始由誰來負責 |
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當然會依這個相關法律啦那諮商的部分是涉及開發的時候那因為目前我們還沒有說要取得土地去開發啦所以還沒有這個諮商啦但是呢因為這個是災後的重建跟復原那麼如果按災防法的話那麼可以 |
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這個算是臨時的措施可以不適用相關法律包括區域計劃法 環評法 甚至園民法這個都可以排除不過目前我們並不是要進行開發行為只是災後復原重建所以目前園民的部落都有代表可以參加我們擴大匯報所以所有的聲音意見都會反映在中央的協調匯報 |
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除了這個特別在研閩會的部分就是有關修善這個住宅期間臨時安置的處所我們有10戶大概在信息之前就可以入住就可以完工還有在舊的東富國小那邊我們也在改善這個短期收容安置所也預計在4月30號就會完工那特別在研閩會這裡我們也有編列4.6億的特別預算 |
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我們主要的工作是在做家園的重建還有基礎設施還有產業的復原我們現在都在執行當中那我是希望可以讓災民看懂安置補助風險跟程序不然會有很多感覺會是一個黑箱作業好不好讓災民知道確實掌握資訊謝謝工程會主委請回 |
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最後就是建法補償的問題那建法補償的問題就是我們針對它因為它不是社會福利可是它列入動產這是一個雙重的懲罰我們認為說所有應該不要把這個這筆錢當作是當作是一個砍掉弱勢家庭社福資格的刀那我相信我們的本意不是這樣結果到最後來的韓式比如說像衛福部的一個韓式是列入動產 |
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那結果列入動產的時候在社會救助資格審核的時候就會因為這樣就被排除在外我想知道主委的態度我想這個當然站在族人的立場我們不希望說這個進化補償變成是這樣子的一個會讓我們的族人喪失了中低收入戶的這個資格那在 |
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這個慶年底我們就邀請國務部、衛生福利部還有財政部等相關的部會就這個部分我們來進行研商那我們也把中低收入這些名單這個名冊我們也送給衛生福利部請他來勾結那後續評估政策檢討還有法規四次的依據都會依據這個我們一定會站在就是說不希望這樣的一個這個精華補償反而造成族人的困擾 |
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那當然有一個方法就是如果不多不是很多其實你如果你的帳戶你趕快領出來 |
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我都是這樣跟族人講的你不要一直放在裡面放在裡面錢也不會變多多少所以這也是跨部會的矛盾因為衛福部的一個函式就上面寫就是考量計法補償非經常性收入非屬社會救助性質一列於家庭財產之動產那我是覺得你這樣子的話你再申請這些 |
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我們的社會救助的話就沒有辦法被列入這個我們會注意因為這個我們特別注意這個跟委員說明可以設定一個門檻我們當然希望省過全國的弱勢的經濟弱勢朋友們的夥伴們國人們都能夠得到十足的照顧但是禁法補償它基本上它要有土地那土地已經列為個人家庭的不動產 |
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所以淨化補償因而產生的這些補償費用就視為是家庭財產的一部分那為了要全國的公平性而言那如果因為有這個土地這麼大的土地又拿到了相當的淨化補償那麼他已經不屬於社會經濟上的弱勢那政府就不需要重複的支援但如果同樣的情況之下他在領取淨化補償之後他仍然達到這個標準那當然無庸置疑 |
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但是我們這個一定要看個案來做處理那基本上要衡量全國這種公平性 衡平性的原則這個請委員能夠理解當然知道 只是說我是覺得應該設一個門檻會比較可以門檻都有的是嗎都有我看很多人來辦公室求救的就是說他們明明就是 |
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沒有領的很多結果就沒有辦法再申請我們的中間低收入貨幣價值他如果還沒有達到那個標準當然無庸置疑他仍然是屬於經濟上的弱勢那如果他有比較大的土地也達到了比較多的補償那是不是政府就應該把這樣的力量去幫助那些更需要幫助的人 |
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那我今天帶的這個牌子叫做請不要繞過原住民原住民是最好客的常常希望你到家裡來坐坐可是看到國家常常面對我們的政策的時候就會繞過去的時候這種感覺會很心酸我相信主委能夠體會我所說的意思 |
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原住民在國內現在你看我們這次的Team Taiwan棒球隊裡面有16個原住民他是國家重要的資產在各個領域上面都有非常傑出的表現而且現在大家也願意跟大家以原住民朋友來作為更好的夥伴來相處這個是非常好的一個文化進步好 我們一起為原住民努力謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝盧憲毅委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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歡迎我們一場二樓旁聽的來自台北市中輪高中葉家欣老師帶領的所有同學我們掌聲歡迎大家接下來請柯志恩委員質詢 劉建國委員請準備好 謝謝韓院長 我們再請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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我想我們應該還是要請經濟部長也請經濟部長謝謝各位好院長好部長好我想這個中東戰爭大家最擔心當然就是有能源供應的問題那目前為止是不是我們在3月跟4月有關於天然氣的調度問題目前為止我們應該不用太擔心吧 |
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對 已經都解決了你都解決了 五月也是嗎五月份正在 五月份因為有八條船會原來會經過橫浦市海峽那現在我們大概升下五艘現在還持續在那個還在持續 但到四月底之前這個我們是國人不用太擔心的嘛現在比較大的問題就是來自於因為你要用現貨來調度所以說這個成本會增加可以告訴我們跟一般比起來這個成本增加多少嗎 |
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平均大概一艘船可能會到8億到10億之間8億到10億之間那這樣的部分裡面是不是也要由我們中油來做這樣子的是不是要由中油來吸收這個經費 |
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為什麼要這樣問部長原因很簡單因為中油好不容易今年由虧轉盈還可以盈餘的八十多億那這樣一補起來這個中油又要變成連七年都要虧損但是如果說沒有中油來吸收的話它會轉嫁到人民身上這整個通膨可能跟世界性一樣都會造成一大損失所以我們要問是不是到最後都是由中油來吸收我們大概事實上是以穩定物價為主這個部分 |
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那當然就是說如果要反映價格的部分的話 |
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民眾是保障民眾當然保障民眾很重要不過我就說從這個部分裡面我們就可以知道機載電力是非常重要的所以我們要回到我們最根本的一個能源問題我想這個非核家園這個部分大家已經講走了非常多的路了那我想請問一下院長非核家園到目前為止我們連SMR這個新核能終於出現了符合社會世界的一個趨勢這個改變是不是來自於美國的壓力 |
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那並非在去年的5月17號和三長二號集會之後我們就進入到一個沒有核能的時代不是因為為什麼要特別這樣子問其實因為過去長期的你們擁抱著這樣子的一個神主牌突然之間冒出這個新的核能這個部分所以中間一個轉折的關鍵點到底在什麼我們很想了解目前是走上一個正規我們給予肯定但是這個轉節點到底突然之間就變成這樣讓我們有點措手不及 |
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就法律面而言是核管法修正之後我們對於核能電廠是不是能夠重新啟用這個新的時程上的實現實際上你所提出的三個前提過去也是這樣講可是你這個三個前提當中的話你有沒有社會共識有沒有回歸安全每個人都這樣講但是過去在蔡政府時代的時候還是抱著這樣子的一個神主牌 |
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现在目前来说我们就论事好了那我想请问一下院长目前来说的话你是不是要把这个行政院的非核家园推动小组是不是因为要再重启核二核三然后要解散 |
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並沒有要解散哪一個小組就像核三廠它除役之後它所有的人我們還是希望台電能把他留下來這是組織上面的問題那還好如果是這樣子的話那原能會從二級單位被降為三級單位現在由核安委員會來那因為要配合這個新的還有包括安全是否有機會把它變成二級單位再重新回到二級單位當中原能會現在重要的是它的功能能不能發揮 |
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在台電送出再運轉計畫以及提出自主安全檢查一定要說經過原能會做最終的成果但是你如果把三級變成二級的話你要因應未來的核能的趨勢的話他的人力他的經費他的各方面會因為這樣就增加比較符合現在的趨勢所以組織調整上面有沒有可能把它變成二級這個原因是原能會他還是收網羅所有的專家來處理這樣的問題第二個是我們現在二級機關目前來講是沒有什麼一個空位 |
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来让它升级我觉得这个部分还是要有非常多的调整为什么要这样 |
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廚藝計畫還要不要繼續進行還是你核後端不管你要延幾年之後你還是得要廚藝所以你錢還是要準備你現在已經要做運轉那這八十億我還要不要再花我這八十億還要不要再花你現在是廚藝計畫花了八十億那你現在要重新運轉那是否廚藝的計畫就可以暫時緩和然後我們來進行所謂的新的運轉計畫他不一定是這樣你發一度的核電的話 |
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你要提撥一部分出來當做核貨後端的基金了解啊但不需要到這麼多錢嗎這跟你上次預期的不一樣所以我才說突然之間有一個這樣新的一個計劃出現了我們在去年的時候我在教文我們本來就對核安會來做質詢那時候我們不預期突然之間在SMR我們那時候講老半天會突然到目前為止好像開始在推動一切都往這個方向來走 |
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所以我才说以前我们讨论是厨艺现在我们讨论是在运转中间是牵涉到经费的问题嘛对不对然后呢最重要是我要问一下院长过去蔡政府的时候曾经对我们核能对于我们能源的配比有20 30跟50这样的计划虽然到2026年的时候呢目前来说 |
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火力發電占比已經達到81.3完全就是已經符合你當初所設定的規定那目前為止呢再生能源的缺口還缺的差不多是7.3的一個缺口嘛那我們在這二個談判當中呢我們也承諾在我們在2025到2029的時候我們要促進採購美國的天然氣還有相關的電力大概700億美金嘛那這樣是不是我們要多增加我們對天然氣的這樣依賴 |
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所以蔡政府提出的是20 30 50那請問賴政府所提出的部分配比會是多少我們會把天然氣的部分再跟他調整現在我們希望今年2026年就能夠達到20% |
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天然氣達到20%目前有啊你現在我現在說火力全開火力佔比已經81.3了燃煤26.6然後呢燃氣是53.3了所以你目前為止整個火力來說已經81.3我現在只問如果核能加進來你這整個的配比會是如何我們過去朗朗上口20 30 50那現在你組這個地方他的配比會是多少可不可以讓我們有一個這樣子一個概念 |
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因為核能的再運轉目前還是在一個程序進行當中誰都不知道有沒有可能全部都再運轉因為他還要提出自主安全檢查所以說在2027、在2028的預估我們目前都還沒有做這樣子一個估算就對了我們還是依照原來的現在20、30會調整 50是不變 |
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什麼時候調整調整的比例是多少等到自主安全檢查如果真的通過然後可以重新運轉的時候這個目標我們當然會做適度的調整核的部分可能也要增加進去的所以很清楚讓我們大家知道能源的配比是如何 |
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好那我們回到還是那個問題就是我們高雄的興達電廠嘛對不對因為那個這個部長你也特別提到如果說這個戰爭如果繼續拉長的話我們4月可能就要啟動燃煤備用機組的意思就是說我們可能就有可能火力就要全開了對不對目前不會目前不會好我們也希望3月4月我剛才講的已經都調度完成 |
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調度完成但是我還是要特別為我們高雄來問一下我們高雄市六都溫室氣體的這個排放是第一名第一名新達電廠說實在是我們高雄人的一個夢魘雖然說2023年的時候我們廚藝是一號機二號機去年大概是三號機但是我們都被轉成緊急備用的機主雖然民間的團體都希望 |
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不要是備用他希望是永久除役最主要為什麼要問這個問題因為我們在去年的時候不是在停電時間我們一號二號機也是偷偷開機都還不是在固定的時間沒有偷偷 |
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經濟部長特別告訴我們是你是要試驗啦要來例行的點火試驗啦但是你也不能否認我們一號機的時候在去年也曾經發生爆炸的一個事故那我要為我們的居民特別是我們這個北高雄居民說他長期就是忍受了這樣子的一個所謂的空污啊你說要換新的啊現在你再給我們一個舊的盤子又要拿起來燒然後那地方最不平的是台電都告訴他這東西是廚藝啊所以我們沒有回饋金也沒有補償金 |
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所以居民就會說 你都廚藝的 可是你還是緊急備用我要吸的不好的空氣 我又沒有錢可以領這對居民來說 其實會有很多的怨言連城市長也要求台電也要重新來做個評估不知道你同不同意是 巴偶委員 所以因為事實上 尤其是最近幾年高雄的這個產業發展非常熱絡 我想您也知道 |
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所以他的確用電量是正常的對啦 但是每個美司都說我們AI需要用電 VIA就要用電但是重點是你們那時候台電本來有二期的更新改建計畫要新增兩部新的燃料燃氣機組這不錯對不對但是現在又告訴我們要陸續這個舊的要陸續汰換但是現在又出現了說五部舊燃料機組要到2037年 |
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2037才會除疫嘛2023年它有更新了整個組件所以它的排放污染物已經下降滿多還是在那個地方11年最主要是有很多氣的話是對於稀有度排放比較少 |
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對啦 但是我告訴你 我們的居民會反對 因為你的救濟署的運轉超過25年然後呢 他們都說 你每次都跟我們講說 AI AI 他們都在哀啊對不對 他們都在哀啊然後最重要的原因是說 你研議11年 你有沒有公然違反這個對於環評的一個承諾呢 有沒有 |
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報告委員這個一號機新的一號機跟新的二三號機有的一樣一號機他已經開始在已經上線了那新的二三號機我們也開始要接受調度所有其他的那只是當作一個緊急備用的而已所以我就說啊因為你 |
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告訴大家說要延你就去延這個部分裡面對大家所認知的以為馬上就有新的然後又要延對居民來說其實很難接受所以他們開始很勾引的相信你會先見後猜啊他們以為只要忍到2026年就可以退場了你現在突然一句話說為了AI他要重新來所以他會擔心髒空氣沒有辦法讓他們能夠認真做嘛我們會有關於這個所謂污染物會總量管制 |
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所以說部長我們就是希望你能夠公開承諾給我們一個拆除的一個計畫然後呢要落實廚藝透明監督合理的補償這合理吧 |
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所以我們就按照這個來做所以你要讓居民放心新的機組會先上來舊的機組就讓他有一定的時間給我們一個採除計畫院長給我們一個採除計畫一個時程時間湧出來大家比較放心這樣可以嗎這個很合理嘛對不對 |
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這個可以嗎 給我們一個採除計畫 像台中一樣嘛不要到時候 等到2020 又要說要11年大家看這個數字是很敏感你後面講了說有換到新的什麼 這都不足以補償該補償的我還是要替我們北高雄的 我們沿岸的居民說一聲啦這樣可以嗎 |
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回饋金可以的就是這樣子來我們還是一句話回到我們的中油中油負債現在是破兆院長這都不是我講這都是審計部的一個報告因為現在的負債太多已經到113年的時候已經到一兆兩千了他現在已經被很多的這個負債比已經超過92%了所以連買原油都要付現買原油都要付現然後我們還要編千億我們要去擴充我們的產能 |
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所以当然了又开始有人就会提出来了这也是审计部的计划审计部告诉我们我们林源呢因为新四清洗湾林盆嘛对吧他说他现在目前是处在土壤液化高前市区而且院长还有这个部长你们看一下啊 |
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目前來說最重要是全球的產能過剩那這個部分裡面過剩的危機要到119年都還是過剩而且我們碳排的共識的一個落差這個到審計部的計畫當中你們過去說你要做這樣的一個事情因為你預計碳排會增加93.3萬噸那你們過去說你們核定前要跟我們高雄市政府的達成碳排的共識 |
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我們的承諾就是說雖然他的這個乙烯的這個預計量增加但是整個排放量因為新四星不會增加 |
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雖然它的量是用最新的技術嘛現在最新的技術也不過把你93.3現在降到70萬嘛對不對把它降到70萬嘛但是重點還是有很多特別提到因為你堅持擴產到你堅持擴產這個引擎的產能全球過剩但是中油目前為止還是希望把60萬噸變成100萬噸那你這樣產生出來的只能做一些塑膠或者能夠做到一些比較 |
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大家比較關切就是你有沒有辦法像中鋼一樣能夠做高質化的這樣的一個處理這是我們希望能夠在產業上面來做這樣一個部分中鋼目前為止都往這方面去做努力升級這個是一定要做的事情我們是持續在做 |
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那我們當然希望你不要毛利每次都做那些毛利很少的我們也希望能夠把它練成像實驗室等級啊論客來賣的啊然後呢也高純度的半導體的這個專用的這個化學物質啊這才符合我們所謂高級化的一個目標嘛 |
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但是還是一句話我們現在的共識跟高雄市政府的共識目前是達到了嗎所以我們現在可以讓我們新四清目前為止這個部分到114年的時候4月還沒有共識現在有共識了嗎我們有跟高雄市政府在談過將來如何提升他的新的效能這個也是一個進步我想跟委員報告我們很感謝國營事業的單位 |
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中油台電以及台水長期都接受很多的政策的必須把這個價錢都壓得很低尤其最次的這個中油 純然是戰爭的關係是啦 我就說嘛 它本來是有80億的盈餘現在目前為止又因為這樣 又沒有辦法了嘛所以將來我們如何在這個財務上協助這個是必要的 另外 |
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我們的產能我們必須要我們自主韌性國內要夠我們家裡要公道院長這個大家都無庸置疑我現在所提出來的質疑並不是說你不能弄新四期你必須要說服環團說服我們的李明還有說服非常多的一個單位最主要是碳排的這個層面來說還有包括中永有沒有他的財務狀況有沒有辦法再承接起 |
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目前你的新的技術而所造成的一個所謂效能的影響我覺得這次才是我們共同一個對這樣的方向而且如果新四輕可以這樣子對我們的碳排可以降低的話那我們就要請問為什麼不從新三輕來做一個示範作用為什麼從新四輕開始為什麼不從新三輕開始也來做這樣的事情呢部長 |
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因為四清的部分它已經營運到期了當初再來講所以它有一些更新的需要所以我現在說碳排的部分裡面你不用等到新四清其實新三清的部分裡面你可以考慮來做這樣一個處理主委也是你院長你剛所那個目標我們大家都毋庸置疑都會我們地方也很感謝這些台這些國營的單位但是我還是要提到了一個能源政策的走得遠走得長 |
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我們希望我們像用科學數據來做而不像過去一樣永遠都是說不通的院長我下次給你一個肯定你終於可以扭轉這個部分讓我們走向跟世界的趨勢是一樣的但是有關於中油有關於碳排的問題有關於他的財務黑洞的問題這點是我們都要特別指出來的 |
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了解吧好接下來我要進入這個土方之亂了我不曉得土方之亂有誰可以來協助我們院長來做這樣的一個回應啊來我們的內政部長跟我們的環境部謝謝我想我們這個土方的部分啊這個2026年我們這個土方之亂我想是全國性的一個問題啊當然是個美濃大峽谷的我們有一些被倒採然後回填這個廢棄物的問題內政部 |
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已经强制要求要用GPS还有包括电子连单这个部分内政部已经非常积极在做但是无可否认我们目前为止有关于这个处理的产量能还是不足的然后呢轻易的成本也是暴涨这是存在的一个事实那我想这个部分来说的话 |
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因為這個土方真的不是最近才開始長期的都是現在我們都聽到非常多的一個抱怨了我想請問一下目前來說剩餘營建剩餘土石方的處理的方案已經超過30年了定位不是很清楚也不是法律未接然後呢政策來說會不會協調我記得去年3月 |
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去年3月18号的时候监察院曾经做过这样一个纠正那请问院长目前为止我们做的方式是什么我还是先把它讲完因为那个时候被纠正的时候国土署有回应他说环境部要把这个废青法纳入要来做这样一个全国性的一个修法那我请问现在的这个废青法有修正吗目前为止 |
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而且那時候國土署說環境部要修那環境部有修嗎而且我也非常清楚的非常贊同某種程度環境部長有說你要推這個循環經濟推動法你認為不是每個東西都是垃圾好好的處理也可以變成是一個好的一個部分請問這兩個最重要的法你們有做任何的處理嗎 |
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好報告委員所有的這個土石方我們台灣幾十年來從來沒有認真的處理那這一次我們是認真的去面對這個事情那這個法律的部分呢我們其實經過的努力已經在行政院內部已經開過差不多到最後一個階段了我們的確也在進行修正當中 |
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所以说从过去到现在我还是必须要说你看你那时候被纠正说内政环保法务三大部长大动作的开记者会啊去年5月1727号说你要有四大政策来去面对啊但是呢不好意思去年也同样的同一年12月底你们全部开完大政在会议之后12月底的时候呢 |
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又再被一次的告訴大家做的還不夠然後你看院長你也可以看一下目前為止就像剛剛環境部長所提到的這麼久以來難得你們三位部長全部站在一起的可是問題到現在到今年此時此刻還是一樣土方的問題還是存在廢棄物的問題還是存在 |
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營建的這個單位裡面叫得不得了然後呢到底這個問題目前為止該怎麼辦你不覺得應該有個跨部會的單位來好好把這些問題處理好嗎而且部長你剛所承諾那兩大修法目前也還是看不到什麼時候推出來每個委員都有提出他們的修正版本可是我們還是沒有看到行政院的對岸啊這什麼時候可以來告訴我們 |
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該怎麼樣來解決其實你如果了解也能夠知道我們現在每個州每週所對於土方開的會議你就會知道它已經有具體的方向了包括它的最終去處包括它的戰事場 土事場以及包括我們現在在一個行政區裡面的異地戰事三個方式同時在進行港區會有港區的這個最終去處港區台北港等等也會有它的戰事場 |
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這個都有辦法在做我就是符合你剛所說的我非常的關注我也知道你們在做哪一些事情好的現在問題又來了我們是不是也可以請農業部長其實這個時候也應該站出來了你們這個協調老半天喔然後內政部的這個國土署今年宣布要擴增農地改良來做一個土方的這個區方嘛 |
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然後這個時候呢有很多民間團體就開始非常的反彈因為他們都認為2021年農委會那時候就完全禁止任何的土方進到我們這個農地啊因為他認為時間暫停一下吧各位我想農業部長要備詢外業部長請回好嗎什麼 |
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就是農業部長現在被尋你問到農業部的事情農業部長被尋可不可以請劉部長回去可以反正農業部長內政部劉部長請回謝謝那我們就請環境部還是要在環境部部長請回對內政部長內政部長是留下來準備內政部長可以農業部請回 |
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謝謝農業部長請備詢時間繼續好我不曉得這個臺子只能站三個人硬體的建築這樣而且畫面不能像小學生一樣回去到領導課不會的畫面不好看謝謝謝謝訓導長我們尊重好不好好謝謝 |
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來我們就是就像院長你所提到我們每一次都非常的關切我剛提到的農地改良內政部國土署已經提出了農地改良這樣一個問題了但是每一次都被卡在這個部分農業部當然過去在2021當然不是這個部長上任之前之前就在農委會的時候就有這樣的條例嘛一個施行條例裡面幾乎是把我們B3跟B4的這個去化的一個途徑全部封死了 |
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這就是為什麼目前為止院長處理老半天可是這個問題裡面如果沒有辦法去做一個處理的話這個問題還是卡在那個地方而且你剛剛所提到的這個叫填海以高雄港為例的話同樣來回應剛剛院長的問題我們目前要規劃收容這個南部的廢土 |
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这个工程来说可是目前来说我们要进入二阶段的一个评估因为我们考虑到填海里面有些海洋很害怕当中会造成一个环境上的污染我们的南科如果一个评估要21个月你现在要进入第二个第二期的一个环境评估的话你说这个填海造陆我们现在几乎没有空间可以来放置这个多余的土方光是在去花的部分里面卡在农业部的一个条例当中就让很多事情没有办法来做彻底的解决院长 |
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我很關切啊 但是沒辦法啦填海造陸啊 填海造陸還不是一個最終的處理方法那我們今天就是調查全國的土地可以開始做的就是要進入環評 就儘早進入環評我們為的是國土的保育為的是很多土地的利用所以你這個高雄港的部分可不可以用專案的方法來處理你如果用這個方法來就是不知道等到什麼時候所以我還有一個戰智場戰智場先行啟用其他的戰智場在還沒有完全可以 |
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最終去化的時候為什麼請農業部長過來裡面就是因為一個細則幾乎把所有大家所可能考慮到的去化的一個途徑一個條例幾乎就把它堵死了當然我們也同意民團當中也很擔心現在大家地方裡面就是太多的法規細則沒有很清楚所以說當沒有很清楚又這麼東西都要拿去堆置的時候院長我告訴你法規不夠清楚 |
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很多時候你就會看到大家就是會違法然後呢地方政府也只能用加重處罰的方法問題還是沒有辦法解決我們已經在進行當中另外一個委員你剛才說到循環經濟現在有很多房子都好好拆好好拆就沒有廢棄物所以我們鼓勵好好拆那當然好好拆這是一個每一個人都要做的事情也希望委員可以支持 |
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我現在只是希望院長你根本找一個政委你好好把這個部分裡面調我剛說有被堵死的然後有被混淆的還有很多的法律不清楚的知道你們在做但是顯然目前遇到一些卡關那這些卡關讓現在此時此刻開始其實還是有很多土方的問題還是沒有辦法解決我們遇到很多的卡關說真的所以我們一一一直在克服當時也該管現在3月到5月就會比較十足的進展5月份會有一些土地會釋放出來 |
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五月會不會是處計釋放出來然後我們高雄港年我們剛說也是在你們整個範圍當中專案的方法如果完全照過去的環評的方法真的沒有辦法解決燃煤之急去化的系統還有我們放置的這個部分五月部分院長你說嘛可以得到比較多的一個解散嗎五月三月會有一部分五月就會有更多的土地可以來使用 |
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其實去年的時候六都都有來承諾要一起來做這個事情我們中央很努力也希望地方政府也要努力來配合 |
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我覺得那個法規弄清楚B3 B4這個到底有沒有辦法再回填回去光是這個部分把它規範清楚就好農花條例裡面相關的規範其實農地的土壤改良是因為農地的需要不能是因為為了處理 |
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這個土石而開放農地所以我們在跟環境部在討論的時候就有很詳細的這樣的一個規範部長我知道我們開過很多公聽會農業部都要派代表他光是頒出你們這個條例來就大家就閉嘴了因為你們這個法規如果不解除的話其實後面非常多的方式是沒有辦法來做的你們的職員都非常盡忠職守可是也讓很多的討論就會遇到卡關這點我還是必須要指出來我跟委員報告其實在 |
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院裡面包括院長主持的相關的部位就是為了解決這樣的一個法規要適合的部分很需要跨單位的部分所以我們就因應期待建築業還有包括很多的民團都在因應期待你們可以弄一個更標準更規範的方法讓大家有個依循的目標這樣比較好做對不對所以院長已經說五月的時候可以讓這個整個問題的解決稍微看到更大的進展這樣沒錯吧 |
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內政部跟其他工會還有這個產業也都進行當面的溝通五月好不好 院長我們就看到這個五月因為目前這些問題還存在農業部長可以請回座最後我要問到一個還是幫我們高雄的羅思業院長你上次去的時候 |
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你已經去了好幾次了 我知道經濟部長 我們工部長你從秘書長到部長都還是一樣都到我們高雄跟羅思業對不對第一次去的時候我也在現場人家說是秘書長 現在是部長但是不好意思問題還是不一樣你看我們樓我們上次有非常多人來陳請嘛 |
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他說呢 面臨十二年最大的一個寒冬現在是坐視修山我想部長跟院長都很了解我們螺絲當初你們在說我們是我們高雄之光等等之類的沒有問題但是他們遇到這麼大的寒冬的時候呢他們希望能夠爭取232條款的豁免有沒有機會 有沒有辦法脫鉤目前談的這樣的條件有沒有機會阿的已經談定了談定 然後呢現在已經談定了 所以說是 |
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所以我們現在螺絲業的關稅要被扣多少%就是232一般規定怎麼樣多少%就是50%全世界都一樣就是很難嗎那你這樣50%來說的話對他們來說真的是我們跟扣件業的業者也談過當然他們也需要很大的幫忙不過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
現在都希望他們升級轉型就是專業性的這個扣件他的價錢就會每個人都知道的專業的扣件我們也在做升級但是目前為止已經得一半了可能已經倒了不知道到哪裡去的這算是環境部長可以先回座的謝謝不好意思彭部長 |
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現在比較好了今年相對於去年來講我們現在放了所謂的這個減班休息的人數已經剩下三千八百多人相對於去年的八千多人已經少了非常多了其實我說實在的這個每個不要說是我啦我們所有高雄的立委上來就是會非常關切這樣的問題我們還是會持續關心 |
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承受非常多螺絲業的一個關心啦然後呢你那時候下去的時候2月9號你下去的時候你還要特別告訴大家說未來因為我們現在的關稅談定之後你有餘力能夠來處理我們螺絲業的一個問題你的說法好像把它放在下一個階段來處理你好像螺絲業覺得是適合的傳統產業你們都把高科技放在第一第一來去做不是你誤解了就是 |
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那時候我們ART談完了已經談完了以後因為其他的產業有些降到15%有些降到25%那你為什麼不把它當成第一個產業你為什麼不把它當第一項手的部分來一起談呢我們會把其他的資源移多一點給扣建業那你當初為什麼不把它當所以你還是把它放在後面你為什麼不在當它主流談定的時候把它納入的項目來談呢那它本來就是第一位啊 第一順位啊第一順位還談到我們現在的螺絲葉還被扣這麼多 |
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對不對我們目前為止你也做出了非常多所謂補助的方式嘛對不對你那時候提出了460億的這樣一個補助的方法但是不好意思我們還是可以看下面因為時間快到了我還是給部長跟院長看一下目前來說你可以看得出來後面那一個階段你看 |
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執行率你看目前為止我們所執行的方式461看起來是非常的好但是預算執行率目前不到三成所以我們就在想你到底是門檻太高還是你的行政流程太緩慢因為我們那個執行的時間是兩年多沒 還是一樣啊大家都因應較苦很多人講說你會不會在這個門檻還有行政的流程上面是否給人家現在能夠我們通過的比例來申請跟通過的比例是超過百分之六十到七十 |
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可是你整個執行來說我現在只是反映我們所有業者的一個聲音好不好你那時候提出的計畫當中你還要提出它的研發計畫提到什麼計畫很多人覺得這個整個的門檻 |
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好 謝謝柯子仁委員質詢謝謝 卓院長相關部會所長備詢 謝謝我們下面劉建國委員質詢之後將會休息十分鐘十分鐘之後請林黛樺委員準備我們現在請劉建國委員請質詢好 謝謝主席有請卓院長 |
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麻煩再請卓院長背書 勞動部紅部長交通部 勞動部 勞動部紅部長交通部一定會請他啦稍安勿躁 好 謝謝好 劉永豪院長辛苦了也跟院長加油成功的一趟這個外交運動 運動之旅非常的讓大家這個 |
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肯定跟欣喜若狂不過你這幾天特別的辛苦高興的是那場球賽贏了大家都很高興因為外交運動都有一些有所斬獲那我們就要回到內政了我早上有聽到院長有特別提到中選會會再提名三席這人選有確定了嗎中選會的委員早上的時候 |
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我是希望我們在提名出來的人都能夠經過立法院的同意要維持過去那種大家互相合作的誠信所以人選我們會再重新做各方的考量所以人選還未確定好謝謝那我現在中選會完之後來討論這個洪部長跟院長的得證就是在 |
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也是在這個執行台曾經問過院長台灣孩兒的出生率持續一直在下降中 |
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那我記得院長曾經跟我講說應該113年不會跌破13萬大關不過去年就剩下10萬出今年有媒體已經非常悲觀的在看待因為我們有單月二月創下單月跌至7000人以下這個紀錄所以可能今年會跌破10萬這個真的我們要趕快想盡辦法 |
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來看如何做應應然後我想這些令人擔憂的數據院長可以看一下我們必須 |
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也要從這個角度去思考說我們還有什麼樣的一個相關的一些辦法跟配套的措施可以讓這個出生率再往上提升我在這邊有看到一個還蠻不錯的一個方式、一個方法也就是院長跟部長的這個德政約定假是從過去必須請一個月那我們跟他改為可以換官到一日來申請為單位 |
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也因此近兩個月這個男性的申請比例比過去全年的27.8%大幅增加44.3%增加16.5個百分點然後同時女性的申請也從72.2%減少為55.6%少了將近16.6%差不多啦 |
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男性的增加跟女性的這樣的降低基本上是打平那也顯示出說這樣的家庭的分擔的效果明顯出現照顧孩子的壓力不會只有壓在這個女性的身上但是這個是現代社會中非常有指標意義的一件事情那我想既然這一個方向是正確 |
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這樣的一個指標有顯著的意義的存在的情況之下是不是原本我們是在育嬰價的適用條件為只以未滿三歲我們能不能把這樣的任期再擴大就從一個月我們換款單位一日可以申請現在未滿三歲我們能不能提高到六歲那我這麼講是有所本因為我們一直很多政策都是零到六歲零到六歲 |
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我們很少或是0到2歲3到6歲我們很少未滿3歲那如果今天這是一個得證這樣的一個方向可以減少更多的女性的照顧兒童的壓力的情況之下那提高到3歲的練級因為你看幼稚園可能會停課停班種種的一些突發的狀況產生 |
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所以如果可以提高到這個六歲我不知道院長怎麼看待這件事情能不能來做相關的研議 |
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很感謝委員肯定這個政策的推動那也真的他符合了一些年輕爸爸媽媽的需求我們不希望把家庭照顧或者小孩的照顧落在單一性別的身上所以他有平均化那當初這個勞動部在提出這個政策的時候有經過各方的分析考量跟很多數據的整理所以提出第一個階段現在是從0到3歲那至於說要不要把它放大我想我們還要再觀察因為這個牽扯到 |
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企業主勞工還有代理人這多方面的三角關係我們能不能全面的來提供到整個尤其是比較小型的這個企業單位他更需要在人力上調配上的一個需求那這個部分還請勞動部還繼續再研究好我是不是請部長來回應一下也讓院長可以知道這個可行性應該是 |
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應該是可以照這個方向來走吧謝謝委員的肯定那的確我們從這個以日傾雲流亭從1月2月數據來看的話確實成效是很不錯的那男性申請的比例也大幅的增加 |
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那過去之所以會是在三歲以內其實一個原因是因為我們的法規要求願留人家在三歲所以確實在這個成效很好的結果出來以後我們也聽到蠻多三到六歲的這個家長來反應那三到六歲其實也有很有這樣的需求 |
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那所以我們的確也是在現在0到3歲的經驗之下因為蠻多企業也願意支持所以我在這邊可以跟委員說也謝謝委員的提醒那我想我們是願意來研議跟草擬來把這個單日申請育嬰留庭的這樣子的彈性的措施來提到 |
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這個至少6歲我想我們願意來做這樣的草擬那的確這個做法其實也需要一些相關的配套那我們也會要來綜合其實目前這段時間很多爸爸媽媽申請的一些經驗那我自己是希望說如果 |
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看能不能在下半年來把這樣子的修法的草案來提出因為如果要到拉高到60歲以上的話那這其實是會需要相關的法規需要來修訂的好 院長有聽到部長講的啦剛剛院長的顧忌的幾個面向嘛那最起碼有一個面向企業很多是可以支持的那我們就可以朝這個方向來走院長可以答應來 儘早來做研議吧 |
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應該是可以吧因為這個政策的實施勞動部還是跟企業端做了相當多的溝通也了解勞工的意願我們也編了一併的預算獎勵金在支持企業讓企業能夠樂於勞工來行使這樣的一個權利或是這樣的一個請假的制度所以我們如果延伸的話第一個是法律上第二個是面對這三角關係企業端勞工以及他未來可能找到職務代理人 |
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那我們可不可以有更充裕的經費來支持這個都要我們再來考量對啦我主要是說這樣的一個政策基本上它是有效益的它是有意義的那是不是可以馬上院長在這個當下可以答應我就是進入研議然後是不是下半年我們就可以來實施就這樣而已嘛對我們會全面來檢視目前實施的成效研議如何讓它更優化OK好謝謝院長謝謝部長部長請回 |
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我第二件事情要跟院長特別提到這件事情菜價、蒜價我從蒜價先提起去雲林縣是雲林縣大蒜種植面積最大的縣市它產量也是最多的我在這邊有看到農糧署有份資料還特別的在做這樣的一個宣導農糧署表示目前大蒜 |
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這是3月12號的部長也看一下目前稻莊已經陸續採收上市因氣候平順晴朗有力蒜瓣充實發育整體品質優良 蒜香濃郁 鮮辣鮮明喜愛國產蒜頭獨特風味之消費者可以把握當令時節踴躍雪枸 |
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25717.953 |
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也請農友採收使妥善,施算乾燥作業農友採收妥善,施算乾燥作業這是第一項第二項,國產大蒜已經在115年3月上旬陸續採收3月下旬進入盛產期 |
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本年預估採收面積55470公頃然後較合理的生產面積是5300公頃,增約4%這是農糧數的資料市長跟議長看了一下,你們可能懷疑我們的資料我們今年所剩的面積就是5萬 |
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四千多五千五百三十四公頃的款對所以我們一百十五對照一百十四給五百公頃 |
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25796.239 |
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給五百公斤,三年五萬四千七百多公斤,對照一百十四年四萬七千公斤,所以給重金,要給六千八百公斤,六千八百公斤你給花公斤,又花大金,要給一萬一千大金, |
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25819.969 |
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所以介紹會崩壞啦介紹會不好嘛,我相信你都聽到這些消息啦好,介紹不好,農業部要做處理,行政要做處理我加這個問題一定要處理,這個時間倒不是政靠一直進來政靠的農到現在不知道,統計有多少農但是這幾天還在進來,我們每天農業部跟關稅總局不搭調 |
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25825.168 |
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不大調,以前沒打勁,又剛不是有那種進口算,甘討的就對了以白咱台灣,這也造成黃毅上的破口啊這個絕對造成黃毅破口然後114年度,院長可以再看一下114年度進口進來,一萬九千多噸對照113,因為我現在沒有15,對照113 |
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25871.791 |
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一萬三千多噸,又多了六千多噸六千多噸,發動了大金,又一萬一千多噸一萬一千,大金就對了所以,所以,特殊,人們想分頭甩身,介紹就回來,進口來衝擊啊這高雷農民,你愛去賺錢啦,我怕去韓國打就對了啦啊,多少農民,有辦法處理這件事所以農民怕,農民煩惱啊 |
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不可以在外面維修他的影響,是他的身體、他的膏質,是大人和小人的問題但是中國的山羊,多了這麼多,不是多了4%多了這麼多那一天部長到日本去,我有聽到社長在這邊打血很好,就是要來面對怎麼嘛,不可以給他7塊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
27塊的金額是什麼?是十年前的金額?還是什麼的金額?為什麼是說它是7塊?地料代幣賠料到現在民進黨之前以後,有看過這個代幣賠料,什麼東西都去呢?農業都去,人工都去,沒錢沒去就對了為什麼你說它是7塊?為什麼你說它是8塊?為什麼你說它是9塊?為什麼你說它是30塊? |
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| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
25938.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
現在要再給政靠的,在這個時間,明早說本土選現在在採取,現在要再給政靠的,他賣這麼多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
25967.622 |
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一定知道嗎?一定要知道嗎?要怎麼處理?我跟委員報告一下第一點就是說我們今年的面積有增加我們的山羊也有增加不過我們今年在修行的時候有一些病害的部分所以產量又下修了一點這第一個但是山羊是鐵鍋這是屬實第二點就是說感謝委員針對這個蒜頭本身的產業的分析非常透徹啦我跟你報告就是說 |
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25973.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
25985.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
我們不會保價收購這是我的立場就是我們不會去啟動任何的一個保價收購因為保價收購是讓台灣農業退步的一個象徵但是我們一定會確保農民的收益 |
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你剛才說的說你7%、8%、9%、30%我們要怎麼去處理第一點就是說我們要確認這個希望去穩定的這個價格一定不能比進口價還高因為你如果比進口價多你又鼓勵進口又更多了所以我們會精算以現在來說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
26029.011 |
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我們工賺對美國進來是一千三百塊美金換算成我們的私算大概是28.6塊大概是28.6塊所以28.6塊應該是一個參考的一個價格在那邊但是我剛才說的我不用保價的時候我又希望說我們去協助一些 |
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這些合作的市場去收購的時候,他又不是收了以後馬上釋放出市場因為他媽想放去市場不好嘛,那就不好因為我時間出一分鐘啦,所以你是將來嘛你將來這個當面團體,將來這個都蓋什麼,我們配合你做什麼嘛 |
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但是你要立即啟動嘛,馬上來做嘛,我們不要拖累你只要你有動作,穩定、健康,這原本就是政府這件產銷調節,也是政府幫你補改做的事嘛所以今天開會結束後,我希望你可以立即馬上來做這件事 |
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這絕對同意 廖議員我明天就會來處理這個事情不是說要確保我們農民的收益後期我們也希望這個蒜頭不是說修理了以後不要再放出去像委員一時說的說我們後面也要做一些冰存、凍存的部分來協助讓它的蒜頭慢慢的放出去這樣接下來才會穩定以後比較多人來倒三缸嘛 |
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放鬆有什麼用?雖然沒有要100%啦雖然我們身份高20%、30%其實是可以過的我們會去交代嘛對不對?不打緊,這個保安先給我們比較處理這個你看,棉菜,假的 |
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為什麼不趕快啟動標準,然後啟動一定價格的機制部長,這可以做到嗎?就是像蒜蓉花生這一類型,我們會介紹但是因為蔬菜,等於是短期液態,一定在一缸的溫度 |
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但是因為一輪的時候我們會看資訊跟通訊網站通訊網站跟委員來做不是 我們很多產銷口其實我們有很多穩定的在市場的時候我們會給你價格能夠讓他們合理的對 我拜託我拜託院長特別重視這件事情好不好然後部長可能就是今天就是密集行動包含算價包含包含這個差價我們都應該馬上來應驗啦 |
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好 謝謝劉建國委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長貝琴 謝謝我們休息十分鐘 謝謝我們柯政委員 林倩琪委員以及林黛華委員陪同我們一起施政總質詢 謝謝我們現在休息 |
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好 報告委員會 我們繼續開會接下來請林黛華委員質詢楊瓊英文請準備好 有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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好 卓院長今天本席跟你討論少子化年輕人為什麼不敢生最有最強的病癮藥是什麼三個 高房價低所得以及債務失貸好 我們來看這個台灣出生率全球倒數第三 |
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亞洲倒數第二回歸10年前2016年出生人口還有20萬到現在10年後2025年出生人口剩10萬也就是說這10年來我們的少子化政策徹底失敗好我們來看台灣的出生率全球倒數第三亞洲倒數第二這個政府如何投入資源呢在8年前2018年7月推動的少子化對策計畫中央編列了1200億 |
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如果再加上地方政府的預算總共達這8年來5099.77億我們的現況是什麼在今年的一二月的出生率慘不忍睹誰說的衛福部時務長說的院長我為什麼政府花了這麼多錢為什麼年輕人還是不敢生 |
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本期觀點高房價高負債低可支配所得未來的不確定而讓我們的成家決策一再的延後如果把少子化只是當成育兒跟家庭價值的問題是看錯了病照好我們來看少子化的現象重整所有官方民間的為什麼不願意年輕人不願走入婚姻生兒孕的原因無外乎高房價實質所得太低高福養弊 |
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好 我們來看一一的解剖這些現況高負債 教育部自己講說學生既有的學貸金融年增中心也講出了信貸 車貸等負債還要面對高房價所帶來的房貸壓力學貸 信貸 車貸 房貸等交叉負債現代年輕人也難成了債務世代 |
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顯示現在的年輕人不是不想成家而是先背著學貸再背信貸再背車貸最後還要面對一間動輒千萬的房子好我們來看高福養餅這個是我們年輕人的心聲是無奈的心聲我既然上有老我何必還要生小孩何必下有老來看的這張圖是國發會所提供的失衡的人口監控我們看三個年段2024年在 |
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前年我們的每100名有工作能力的人口要撫養44.7我們30年後再往右看2059年的時候總撫養比超過100代表依賴人口將超過 |
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工作人口再往45年後2070年潛在的撫養比已經降到1也就是一名青壯年要撫養一名老人好這是國發會的資料我把它做了解讀好我們來看高房貸 |
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現在的混亂的房貸融資政策使年輕人更加的不安三個新金安現貸令跟租金補貼新金安利益良善但是卻造成了房屋交易量的過熱在六都當中趁勢達到月增11.3%年增26.1%看到現貸令也就是這樣的交易過熱的情況逼著中央銀行下了第七波的現貸令 |
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而呢讓這個部分的區域的成交量可以下到10%甚至20%好我們來看這個政策的矛盾新金安跟現代令的造成衝突新金安滿足了買房的剛性均衡推高了房價而迫使了央行推出了第七波的現代令讓房市快速的緊縮 |
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也就是年輕人是高價入市買了高價的產品房屋流動性停滯會造成什麼的隱憂一房屋流動性太低房屋可能變成負資產而且這個是正在進行是新金安的催促下年輕人急切的入市購置房屋現代零下所以一年前我購買的房屋1200萬貸款1000萬 |
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房價下跌18%這個是現有的房價下跌最慘的狀況18%如果以18%來房屋警說我的現值從1200萬變成984萬我借多少錢借1萬塊所以這個帳面付資產就呈現了我的房屋資產984我的房屋債務是1000萬這不是危言聳聽是高槓桿購屋者最新遇到的風險 |
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院長你忍心看見我們進入新清安政策的年輕人75%的年輕人這是你們的數據75%的45歲以下的年輕人是進入到新清安的40歲以下是75%所以是有這樣的一個用意但是你忍心看我們新清安政策的年輕人擁有的房子竟然變成負資產嗎 |
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新型案的引用二 低可支配所的困境買完了房貸之後根本沒有預生小孩我就以高雄市本身的必要生活費來做加加減減平均經常性的薪資叫47884萬元這個看在我們全台灣的年輕人的心裡叫做政府在騙我好 那也沒關係就47884 |
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我減掉新金安五年後的寬限期一年一個月是要繳兩萬五我再扣掉我高雄市必要的生活費一萬六千零四十塊我可支配的所得剩多少五千塊那年輕人剩下可支配所得五千塊現在的物價指數一個月五千塊能做什麼我不能生病 不能社交 不能校慶更嚴重的是我不能生小孩 |
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好我們講到從去年到今年政府用了極大的力量在講說軍購這本心也認同但國防軍購用兆元的規模8年1.25億的防衛韌性那也應該用同樣的國安等級重新檢討少子化的政策把資源打在年輕人的痛點什麼叫年輕人的痛點高房價高負債高扶養比 |
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等等武器我可以三年五年生產完成少子化可是要永續經營少子化不僅是社福資助的問題也是國防勞動照護經濟財政的共同基礎未來如果我們再不比 |
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我們現在國防部的軍備採購還比他更重的一個資源跟政策的大大的調整的話可能未來連操作修理武器的人維修武器的人都沒有了 |
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好我們看青年居住政策不能只有購屋補貼這是現在我們政府的政務就是購屋補貼看看新加坡他們除了購屋債也有公共租賃與過渡性的租住安排也把結婚生子直接連到住宅的優先權看看西方國家維也納這邊也有受管制可負擔可預期的租住體系 |
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中的長期生活國內的住宅政策設宅期限是6年到12年我就算住進設宅馬上生小孩我的小孩從1歲到6歲到了12歲正在念書花錢卻又要面臨搬遷的壓力這就是現在設宅有期限的窘境好 租金補貼杯水車薪好 我覺得這個地方政府的政策是可以 |
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除了新清安之外我覺得地方政府桃園市政府的平價宅的轉為分配宅這件事情是可以借進的他建商捐贈而且回來民眾也要轉售的話也只能轉售給政府這是現在桃園市政府可負責住宅正在事辦一坪20萬超誘人信託機制讓換屋也有出入所以地方政府他增加容積率作為獎勵這個中央政府也在做 |
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但是由建商捐贈一定比例作為可負擔住宅作為青年購屋重點是轉售時只能回賣給政府所以在這邊我也具體的請行政院評估自定容積獎勵政策由建商捐贈轉售時只能賣回政府作為分配宅如果這個案子有得到行政院的認同事辦計畫歡迎到我高雄市來 |
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我們最後這一頁請院長你直求對決讓年輕人終身住安心住把居住政策從購物補貼升級成人身安定方案有四個建議第一個延長社宅的租用期限由最長的6到12年延長為18到24年為什麼說18年就算我住進去馬上生小孩18歲剛好高三畢業 |
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要買房子也可以的不用讓他面臨那個孩子長那麼大18歲前我還要面臨搬遷的困擾24年這個12年啦延伸24年是針對我的最需要照顧的這些低收入的住戶給他延長20年建議方案二跟三二的部分獎勵青年婚配建立平價婚債的容積獎勵提供終身處 |
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這樣的平價宅我可以終身租給你我也可以讓你買得起如果你生了第二胎第三胎我優先讓你換租跟換購到較大面積的平價婚配宅以自己青年的成家生育建議三改善年輕人的撫養比我要照顧老又要照顧小我這麼高的撫養比解決育兒跟撫老的問題鼓勵三代同堂如果真有民眾三代同堂民眾提出 |
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我就提出設定99年的地上屋的設定99年的租用較大面積設宅及優先購買較大面積的平價宅的宅配來解決我這麼高的老年化的社會建議是顏理新清安五年利息補貼期滿後的因應方案對貸款人的影響跟財務評估顏理新的壽性機制以維持年輕人的生活條件院長您針對這樣的具體建議有什麼 |
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好 謝謝委員很清楚的說明了這個少子女化的原因跟解決的方式同樣的我們也清楚像上個世紀末我們的人口開始出生率開始往下降所以現在會生育的青年人人數就是一直在往下降也是雙重的這種因素造成的 |
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那當然現在整個氛圍不婚比例也相當高所以我們一直希望能夠讓年輕人多多的結婚我常常說我很少參加過極端結婚我覺得政府有用心 非常用心可是我覺得應該要陽性如果在兩年後 2028年後我們的十年少子化的對應政策就期滿了已經要嚴厲 現在也要開始嚴厲 |
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要不要有第二階段我認為第二階段要大大的揚氣不要再大量補貼你的利息了因為證明沒有用而且你要面對痛點剛才講的高房價高扶養比高負債包括可低可支配所得這件事情這才是年輕人你要年輕人的選票如果你能夠解決他這四個問題讓他好好的生活在台灣我覺得這比我們 |
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不好意思 如果這兩個硬要選擇先解決我國內這個問題比你一再的講說我的這個軍公案多好 多重要可是你完全忽略我年輕人現在痛在哪裡現在連痛在這邊啊所以在委員提的這個終身朱安心柱之前我們現在其實也有幾大政策比如說鼓勵大家結婚減精育兒的負擔 這個都做了另外就是希望建立一個友善的職場包括剛剛上個委員所提的 |
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育嬰留職的部分另外就是支持育兒家庭的穩定居住政策這個也有了還有就是強化孕婦這個是前面的後面可能要建立這一段現在我們還有一個想法就從一個人的生育、教育、養育給他切三段如果在生育這個階段 |
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我們用更多的資源下去鼓勵大家小孩子出來之後政府就能夠承接現在我們的所有的政府民間的資料顯示第一個高房價才是最高的備孕藥最高房價你沒解決他住的問題他就是不想生啊我們有支持婚育家庭的居住的穩定政策這裡我們有處理到這一點 |
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你調到那一頁那個我們人民的痛點新金安的那個來下一頁好這個好這個這個不是我講的這是所有你們的研究報告高房價實質所得太低高撫養比高把這個實質所得太低當中有的就是高負債 |
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所以高房價實質所得太低高撫養比才是人民的痛點當然你講到友善職場這是對的可是他不是實質會讓我年輕人真的不生的最大因素啊所以今天的在看到我的建議的二三四院長沒關係這個其實動者牽一髮而動全身這個您願不願納入這個您的第二你們現在有沒有第二階段的少子化的研議了 |
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一直在做很多相關的政策,多元進行,不單只是對房價部分而已所以對於這個少子化的部分,就是2028年截止往後我們這個少子化的這個政策從2018年到2028年結束之後就沒有了是嗎?當然還有沒有一個統整性嗎? |
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當然還有我們這個有政委的層級也在主持相關的會議好 那院長是不是您現在就正式啟動我們第二階段的少子化的因應專案因為這是由國發會主導然後你要主著你現在要交代哪一個政委他就必須很嚴肅包括未來我會針對一些減稅到我們財政部這邊我會繼續再加碼包括我的年輕婦女如果你講到育兒 |
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這個不是我今天的重點但是如果你講的話我只要生育一胎我是不是要減免這個女性的所得稅我減免了第二胎我又減免她多少稅如果我減免她生第三胎我就減免她多少稅甚至可以高達減免她60%到70%的所得稅她的個人所得 |
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這都是納入裡面 實質獎勵跟降低負擔兩個方向都可以從此來選對 所以院長這其實是整套我只是今天針對房屋住宅就是人民的痛點高房價 高負債然後高扶養比等等可知低資配所得跟你來救教其實這才是我今天少子化最重要的原因所以今天的這邊所有的一到四是不是納入你第二 |
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好 謝謝林鄧花委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝好 接下來我們今天最後一位質詢委員 楊春瑩委員請質詢 |
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謝謝院委主席 韓院長我們行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊 各位同仁兄弟的朋友楊瓊發言 首先邀請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選楊委員好 |
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主計總署在2月份公布了最新的經濟預測將今年的經濟成長由原先的3.5%大幅提升了4.17%換句話說公布的答案是7.71% |
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那隨著中東的戰事升溫國際油價劇烈的波動石油下游的這個石化業下游的原物料比如說PE PPC這些的成本上升了那一開始會衝擊到什麼呢基本的在市場上的手搖飲網購的這個包材等 |
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這是實際上民生最直接影響到的物價那我看到在我們的經濟部你們現在目前的方向基礎是建立在穩定通膨的假設上以這個基礎 |
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但是如果油價每漲10%我們的GPI就會提升大概是0.20%在這樣的情況之下對於穩定物價小組的具體應變措施以及針對我們整個中小企業 |
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所做到的這個衝擊我們的協助方案協助預算那我看到目前我們有大方向但細節的部分還沒有也就是我們缺乏了壓力測試的一個配套措施所以在這邊我們只要請教也就是說如果我們7.71%我們建立的是在和平跟低油價的這個假設上 |
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但是一旦现在我们看到很多的不确定性战火延烧不知道到什么时候的这个情况之下产业的扶植是我们在基层上面非常关注的一个焦点所以怎么样能够帮助在因为战争原有调整包括了包产 |
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油耗成本來提升那這些的微型的企業我們要怎麼樣去協助他所以本席首先要請教也就是我們最近要召開的這個電價審議委員會最近要召開 |
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那經濟成本經濟成長如果依照我們二月份所宣布的當然這個方向是在和平低優價的情況但是我們現在面臨到的是不一樣的這個情況所以在通膨跟戰爭物價波動這個我們看到是有這個影像已經在提升那所以本期要請教 |
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短期內是不是應該電價要動漲來協助我們這些產業請教尤其是微型電也微型的這個產業請教院長好 謝謝楊委員國際情勢持續緊張可能還要持續 |
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一個相當的時段那麼國際情勢所造成的經濟的變化因素我們最怕的是什麼最怕就是我們對這個因素掌握不清楚如果是因為戰爭單一的因素我們是可以看到這個可能的影響我們可以做很多的分析的目前就是這個狀況所以針對能源你看從由的上禮拜到這個禮拜政府採取雙平反的方式 |
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也啟動了專案的平衡方式讓它能夠由政府來吸收為的也就是讓民生能夠穩定下來這個回答非常好大宗物資我們把它延長延長貨稅的時間把它延長讓大家能夠進口的 |
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接近我們的關稅能夠穩定下來這個我們要把它延長時間到9月所以種種的措施做下來我們期待在這個期段當中就能夠看到國際趨勢改變我們就有能力來調整那目前主計總數所預計的這個數字當然是一個目標本來就是一個很高的目標那現在這個變化還在進行當中我們是極力在這個目標底下用盡所有的方法來穩定民生來穩定物價 |
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來因應國際情勢至於您說的電價因為一直是電價的這個審議委員會在主導在決定我們只希望他能看到目前社會的現象國際的局勢能夠跟政府採取這樣的一個立場由電價審議委員會來做最終的討論 |
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非常謝謝院長你的回答你說希望電價選議委員會朝著政府現在所做的黃小玉的部分我們原本是到3月底的減稅那現在已經延長半年也就是9月那換句話說政府有看到我們不知道國際情勢的變化而且是非常的嚴峻持續的嚴峻所以在這樣的情況之下本席還是回歸到 |
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因為電是一個根本產業最重要的必要條件的根本因子所以在這樣的情況之下您剛才所說的本席都非常的贊成因為你知道 |
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我們面對到國際的情勢勢必一定會受到波及物價如果我們政府沒有控管的時候沒有協助的時候那一定會通膨所以再一次請教剛剛你回答很好說希望水利委員會跟你的立場是一樣也就是協助也就是動漲是不是如此 |
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我們希望以民生穩定來跟全國的人民來度過現在這個狀況那電價審議委員會都是這方面的專家我們通常是不去做任何指導性講話等等在希望他們能夠看到這個現象我認為他們的關心跟我們的關心應該會是一致的 |
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所以一致的你的立場也希望在這個時間點應該是要動漲讓我們的民生絕對物價不可以再同盤是不是如此朝這個方向這是行政院現在在說所有穩定物價最高的原則最高的原則也就是在目前大家看到這個議題也這個現象要協助要穩定物價所以這一次的電價一定要動漲朝這個方向是嗎 |
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最後的結論還是有電價審理委員會來表達所以在行政院長你高度的這個立場裡頭這個方向也就是要平穩物價嘛是不是平穩物價對所以首先就是要動長我們的電價是嗎這兩個字我不宜在這裡講 |
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不可以在這邊講 但是你的方向是如此是不是你不能做決定 但是你可以有一個方向我當然希望國人的生活都能在這個時間點能夠比較平穩安定的度過平穩安定就是動場我希望沈議員會聽到統裝瓦斯的部分 |
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當時我們一直喊統裝瓦斯是民生第一線所以我也要謝謝也就是現在是到三月底統裝瓦斯動長是到三月底請教今天已經三月十七號現在兩個禮拜的時間就要到了剛剛我們首先講的連電我們都要動長平穩物價那請教我請求也就是為我們的民生來請求也就是這個統裝瓦斯我務必一定要再延 |
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請教院長大原則也是如此剛剛說的如此我們一方面要觀察整個國際局勢的變化我們現在宣布的我們之前要求的也就是你們宣布的是三月底統中瓦斯動場會不會再延長動場到下一季一方面要再觀察國際局勢的變化但是我們秉持的原則是一樣的 |
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品質的原則是一樣難得的一樣非常好都是為民生所以因此也就是在我們的統裝瓦斯的部分因為剛剛你已經說到國際情勢的一個嚴峻而不可抗拒的一個形態所以如果這一些的形態持續在增加的時候院長 |
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是不是我們的統裝瓦斯是在每一個家庭都需要用到在小吃店都需要用到的這是直接決定要不要通漲要不要通本的一個問題那是不是我們應當三月底之後統裝瓦斯仍舊再延一季請教 |
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如果說國際局勢持續的緊張但我們一方面也要考慮到中油在這一兩週之內已經吸收了很大的財務的負擔我們要考慮到未來財務負擔如何但這個還是要擺在民生經濟安定之後的考量先考慮社會謝謝你一句民生安定也就是我們行政院的物價平穩的這個小組裡頭的最重要的精髓 |
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所以我再一次強調也再一次要求跟拜託統裝瓦斯是針對第一線物價是不是會通膨的關鍵決勝者所以一定要在三月底之後再延長我現在首先率先要求再延長一季 |
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因為你的黃小玉都延長半年本席就要求你依照現況依照現況條件因子不可抗拒是存在的所以必須要延長一季坦白跟委員說很多委員都向我表達這樣的意思我請部長好好的去研究好所以你是同意這個方向嗎我們希望因為剩下兩個禮拜趕快告訴我們民眾讓大家的安心 |
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統裝瓦斯的動漲再延長一季中油的部分我們當然盡量往物價平穩的方向來設計但是統裝瓦斯還是有台塑我們也跟他來做協商看看但是不敢台塑的部分你率先動作來做我謝謝我們的統裝瓦斯在3月底之後還是動漲至少先延到一季的時間 |
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謝謝讓我們全國的民眾都能安心知道政府有在做事情知道我們是在為民生這個非常重要院長是不是很多委員都表達同樣的意見我們都聽到了所以你會朝這個方向因為剩下兩個禮拜好 謝謝你的點頭我謝謝你接下來我們來談AI148億的先進研發預算裡頭如果沒有電就沒有AI了 |
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電是最重要的所以我們希望來台灣國際的廠來台灣設立AMD等來台灣設立研發中心要推動的兩奈米以下的製程那這些尖端的研發每一項都是吃電的怪獸 |
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它電力要很多所以我們要有所做準備所以經濟部的要請教我們的電力基礎真的可以撐起這樣子的一個高產值跟高後能的研發夢嗎我希望政府要做得到而且務必要做得到 |
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經濟部一邊要推動的領航企業的深耕計畫來輔助外商來談 非常好但是另外一方面又要對我們本土的產業說電力供應吃緊 說要漲電價這個我們本土的傳統產業是受不了的 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教我們預估的148億的投入你們的KPI指數也就是會有多少的企業界會來進駐那你有沒有去評估因為你有一個數字148億出來了部長所以你一定有評估有多少人要進駐有多少人要進駐你的需求量的電力的需求到底是什麼國際廠 |
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國際廠都有嚴格的百分之百的R1他們的一個承諾 對不對R100的承諾 綠電100所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教 我們要考慮我們希望都能夠進來但是我方的準備到底是怎麼樣不要因為我們的電力不足而讓人家再轉向這是本席不希望看到的 |
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請教院長對如果是資料中心的話那當然要有一些算力作為基礎當然那我們當然是希望就是說電的發電量供應現在看起來至少到目前來講是比較沒有但是電網的部分因為他很多如果你要放在比較人口的密集的地方因為他的這個算力需要比較大的這個電量基礎要到 |
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要蓋比較高壓的電這樣的話可能就要有些準備時間所以我們希望說你如果要蓋算力中心的話儘早讓我們知道然後要準備這些電網但是我們還是希望說如果這些算力中心電力中心可以比較靠近電廠的話我覺得那個是比較好的一個方式不用拉很多的電線到比較人口密集區去 |
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部長你有計劃但是你的回答不是很成熟因為你既然每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢你既然有提出了一個148億你絕對有你的KPI院長要多少廠商進駐你的電力要多少你這個務必一定要有配套不然你的148億怎麼出來的所以針對這一點 |
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本期具體要求你把它計算好因為本期不希望人家來投資結果說我們的電力不足要轉向轉到日本轉到新加坡這不是我們所願的當然是研發是研發的補助不是設電力中心不對 你不要亂講話 |
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對不對你們有這個前途要去補助這些你的配套要怎麼做請你詳細把你的規劃剛才本席特別說的這兩點請你書面資料給本席我們希望能夠台灣有國際的場能夠進來 |
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這樣子才是我們台灣越來越進步跟世界接軌所以你把書面資料給本席接下來本席要跟您討論的是在我們整個產業研發跟能源供應的方面我提出了三點第一個你研發電力的一個配套剛剛本席所說的 |
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我希望你一周之內經濟部你可以給本席因為你一定會有他的配套也就是目前我們預估在AI數據當中我們預估的新增的電力到底是要多少還有我們對應的這個區塊他要怎麼樣穩定的計畫 |
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這一點是非常重要國際在場要進來人家也要聽到我們到底有沒有這個能耐我覺得我們要自己把我們自己的條件告訴人家然後讓人家可以進來這一點是非常重要第二個綠電優先供應的這個排序我們知道國際的研發中心他在綠電的要求 |
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那麼所以我要請教經濟部你會不會確保大廠吃飽我中小企業尤其我們中部地區我中小企業為了餓死啊你這個排擠效應要怎麼安排不會因為我們有區隔開來就是台電自己開發的這些電廠就是綠能電廠是有一部分的比例是留給中小企業用的 |
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你要去攀點因為我們中小企業韌性非常強院長我們不管怎麼樣我們還是咬緊牙根撐住所以政府必須要責任要全力協助他們不能犧牲這些中小企業你要承諾喔不能犧牲我們的中小企業承諾好接下來第三個韌性電網的這個部分就剛剛本席所說的 |
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你們在這個部分你的智慧電網跟存能設備存能技術有沒有包括在這裡面這兩項你有沒有包括如果是大的韌性計畫十年五千億那個不是這個計畫它是一個比較有點像高速公路直接到工業園區然後跟民生用電把它區開所以你就是沒有嘛所以本席告訴你你應該要運用AI來優化我們自己的電力調度的韌性 |
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這個會有啊台電已經開始在做了所以他的這個電源現在的這個控制就是他的控制室基本上都已經導入AI的系統你把你們現在預計要怎麼做請書面資料給本席那本家要告訴經濟部的也就是研發的經費他不是空中羅格 |
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本席認為我們也不能只有當一個研發的這個善台同志因為能源是全世界非常重要比照國安的議題在運作在佈建在規劃所以呢我們應該要當能源的這個守門員 |
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能源的守門員怎麼樣去分配我們現有以及預計應該有的這些能源非常的重要因為只有解決能源的焦慮我們的產業才能夠真正的蓬勃發展所以針對剛剛以上本席所要的資料也請在這個時間之內給本席接下來本席要跟你院長討論的也就是最近 |
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你們也提出了這個新核能技術我覺得我非常的贊同因為我們長期在經濟委員會我們一直在討論一直在討論那提出了你們提出了更務實跟更開放的這個態度呢這是一個正確的方向是一個正確的方向我當然當過這個民意代表在我們的產業界最怕的是什麼他不怕的是政策的轉向他最怕的是什麼他最怕的是電看得到吃不到 |
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因為這個是源頭所以在這樣的情況之下工商時報他也特別說了他特別說了 社論他說停滯性的通膨壓力 |
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停滯性的通本壓力不會啦我們現在的物價上漲率還不到2%經濟的成長剛剛提到可能超過7%我也希望是如此但是那些都是在低油價以及和平平和的立場所以部長你要回答議題的時候請你要 |
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要納入我們目前的樣態接下來本期要跟您討論的是因為停滯性的通膨的壓力它背後反映的是企業界對於穩定且具備有競爭力的電價它是極度的焦慮所以剛剛本期才一直跟院長在討論希望這一次的電價一定要動漲的這個原因我們也朝著這個方向 |
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所以本期繼續要跟你討論也就是說我們能源轉型如果它只有一個願景但是它沒有工程時程表如果沒有工程時程表那這個不確定性可以說是經濟最大的一個緊張跟危險所有的發電的設計都有一個時程表 |
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好 所以你有一個時間表我繼續跟你討論我們現在的核電廠在利用核三廠一號機是在2020年的7月已經這個停機二號機是在去年2025年5月份的停機那麼根據核能的專家他去評估核電廠如果可以成功的研議他每一度的電成本大概是1.1到1.5塊 |
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比遠低於燃氣發電的多少 3.5塊以上喔 還以上 燃氣以上所以院長台電預計 我們在經濟委員會一直討論也一直希望速度加快院長 |
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台電預計在這個月底他要提出了再運轉計畫所以本市要請教在確保安全無虞的這個情況之下那麼行政院你是不是跟何安會有做過討論希望他在整個簡化行政程序審查這個程序 簡化這個時間點有沒有討論過 |
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台電提出再一轉計畫之後他已經先前有一個自主安全檢查這個都要經過核安會的審定但是因為檢查是OK的才會在3月底要送嘛所以你整個的審查程序是不是要討論可以怎麼樣去簡化程序就算再簡化安全也不能被檢查所以本期第一個議題就是安全無虞所以安全的問題我們就交給核安會他就是一個獨立的機關讓他從程序問題上 |
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全面做安全的把關那這個我們是希望台電能夠做充分的準備提出的再運轉計畫或是之前做的自主安全檢查都能夠經得起 |
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在安全無虞的時間因為你也知道那要幾年的時間啊河岸為了審查它是並行的再運轉計畫是一部分還有我們的自主安全檢查是一部分那自主安全檢查我們會跟原廠西屋公司自主安全檢查又是另外一個議題部長你不要岔開議題所以本席請教我們預計什麼時候可以看到河山廠重新併網 |
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KPI是什麼時候?自主安全檢查台電已經跟CU公司簽訂MOU也開始啟動但是無論是自主安全檢查或是再運轉計畫我們也要知道說裡面所有需要更換的設備更新調整都能夠沒有問題 |
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這個就是在本席剛剛議題中的安全無語的前提之下四個字已經告訴你了安全無語的前提之下所以本席也希望我們大家好不容易有一個理念這個都一樣也就是 |
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這個河山廠的這個部分要怎麼樣重新能夠去併網然後來幫助我們平衡目前的這個結構性的通膨壓力我想這個是一個很重要的一個里程我們希望能夠達成成功部長剛剛有講過了即使我們現在對於現在的用電並沒有大的疑慮但是我告訴委員最不想讓全國缺電的是誰是台電 |
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他可以發電他一定會照程序院長你現在身為一個院長行政院你所做的事情不是今天不是這個月不是下個月你可以告訴我們的你的能源三月無綠四月也無綠五月你可以買更高的櫃更高的能源這是你告訴我們的本席倒備如流你不是你是一個行政院長 |
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對不對 你怎麼可以說我現在無率我請問你五月份你買高的貴的能源會不會漲價 |
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我們產業很緊張耶我剛剛是說部長跟大家都說過我們現在供電是穩定的所以你這個穩定我希望能夠呈現接下來我請教院長跟部長童子賢董事長他之前公開的呼籲了他說昂貴的電價對民眾是不公平的 |
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昂貴的電價對我們就是不公平的這一句話點出了什麼呢經濟上的能源正義經濟上的能源正義 請你聽清楚高科技產業他有能力去買更貴他多少都可以全部買來我們現在產業就是如此可是我一般的深斗小民我沒有辦法去買這個高的電所以我一直拜託要動漲所以好 |
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所以我要為台中說一句話台中的民意代表楊瓊怡我必須要加碼的提醒我們的院長一個沉痛的不公平也就是健康上的能源正義 |
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健康上的人員正義所以請經濟部跟台電如果我們的河山廠運轉並往成功不管是未來我們引進了所謂的SMR說小型的那都好就是來補充我們的機載電力在這樣的一個情況之下每增加一度的 |
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零碳電力都要優先來用來實質處理中火的燃煤之主給台中市民一個明確的無煤的時刻表請在院長 |
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請教院長在台中火力發電廠我們曾經跟台電到現場看過也看過很多次會建一拆一的方式他的目標是在2034年那我希望他提前到2032年就能夠做有效的管制那目前希望他 |
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也新的燃氣機組的工程能夠順利進行這個也需要台中市政府跟各位民意代表共同來支持台電現在進行是ING當中所以本席要請教也就是核商場運轉之後因為你有曾經說過如果電力不夠要啟動燃煤機組我們很緊張 |
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所以我要為了我們整個健康上的能源正義我要發聲所以我很請教也就是說你未來你充分的這個這個積載電力是夠的的時候是在執行的時候你增加的每一度 |
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零碳電力 你要優先優先來用在實質廚藝 藍美機組院長你可以承諾嗎是 藍美機組重新備用的啟動用它是一個最終的不得已的手段我們最先淘汰的的確就是藍美機組院長我聽到你這個我真的請你針對本席的提問因為我們就是很緊張你說如果不夠我一定把你火力全開你燒下去 |
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我們很緊張我們的健康所以我才會跟你講一個原則問題院長你請聽清楚本期沒有跟你討論這個問題也就是如果你在河山廠之後你的電力機載它開始運轉的時候你每一個淨零碳排的零碳電力的時候那你應該把這些優先來太救燃煤機組這個原則你可以答應啊 |
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這個才是真正照顧我們的健康的能源正義啊各個電廠燃煤機組的拆除或是太久都會按照原來的時程我們盡量把它提前但是不是突然間要全部把燃煤機組都把它拆掉你講這個不成熟的回答因為你之前沒有河山廠的問題所以用煤量會降下來 |
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何山長何時要重啟所以我本席告訴你的是一個原則的問題何山長哪一天可以重啟重新再運轉這都是一個尚未知的日子不是尚未知的問題喔我不能在這裡跟一個話一個本席沒有跟你承諾沒有要求你承諾什麼時候回答喔什麼時間點喔本席是說如果我們現在好不容易已經朝著這個軌道在走了嘛我們希望能夠成功嘛那成功之後你應該應許 |
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我們同意委員就是所有包括台中火力發電廠在內燃煤機組我們按計畫來把它拆除按計畫拆除是現在的計畫但是加注其他的因子你必須要調整嘛如果我們有新的能源供應的時候我們當然會調整計畫可以往前推就是實質廚藝中火的燃煤機組 |
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如果有充裕的其他新的計畫的時候有其他新的能源供應的時候我們當然有能力來調整這個計畫那現在我不能說我會調整到什麼時候有能力來調整這個計畫也就是同意優先來退出產業基礎我就希望他調到2032這個是我們可以做得到的 |
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你還可以再提早啦因為我們現在全力支持這個燃氣燃氣現在進度超前嘛這個我們一分一秒每一個我們都在監督啦對不對就是我們中部地區健康的問題啊我也要謝謝你啦同意也就是說我們每增加的每一度這個零碳的電力你優先來汰除這個優先來汰除這個這個南美的機組中國的南美機組 |
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會減煤降煤而且你速度要比現在還要快這才是重點所以我就要告訴院長我們不能接受說你電費漲了那剝奪我們的荷包但是空屋卻沒有少而剝奪我們的健康這是我在我們中部地區裡頭我們非常的希望你的 |
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電網更新跟空屋的一個房子你要並行因為這攸關了每一位在台中的母親她關心的她的孩子的一個呼吸權每一年都有改善的一個呼吸權這個非常的重要所以我要告訴你說高經濟不能犧牲好空氣 |
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而且拼金鈴你也不能剝奪我們的老百姓我希望剛剛我們共同所討論的也就是太除中火的藍莓基礎在金鈴店的這個部分可以優先來處理 |
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不過因為我們本日排定的質詢委員均已經質詢完畢謝謝左院長、政府院長各位列席的部會首長現在我們做以下決定下次會議繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢再次謝謝柯志恩委員陪同我們一起參與施政總質詢現在散會 |