| IVOD_ID |
17271 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17271 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T08:37:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T12:21:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:43:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528edc5f31f4729d12f5f0b09886a6aa8fbe157d0edf07c12ea633511e352f59ec125ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:37:11 - 12:21:00 |
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我們現在開始開會請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會第一次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年三月十一日星期三九十九分至九十十二分地點群憲樓九樓大禮堂出席委員羅明財委員等十四人主席賴委員會員報告事項一本院秘書長含為第十一屆第五會期本院各委員會召集委員選舉相關事宜 |
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葉金本院任事處提報本院第十一屆第五會期第一次會議決定遭案通過災案二、宣讀本會期本會召集委員選舉人名冊選舉事項選舉立法院第十一屆第五會期本會召集委員一、立法院各委員會召集委員選舉辦法 |
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第五及第八條 召集委員之選舉以吳紀民單計法票選之但經各黨團之書面同意亦得以推選方式行之主席宣告推選李委員彥秀及吳委員秉瑞為立法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會召集委員宣讀完畢 |
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在場委員員未足法定人數議事錄暫不確定請議事人員宣讀今日議程邀請行政院主計總署陳主計長淑芝審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告並備質詢宣讀完畢現在介紹在場委員我們陳玉珍委員 |
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行政院主席總署 陳主席長 淑芝李義軍主任秘書陳梅英處長 綜合規劃處公務預算處 徐永義處長基金預算處 潘清紅處長會計決算處 徐宜娟處長 |
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綜合統計處 蔡玉泰 處長國事普查處 潘明欣 處長主系資訊處 吳怡欣 處長人事處 劉永慧 處長秘書室 張嘉瑜 主任增豐室 陳一雲 主任 |
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主席是詹英俊主任審計部陳審計長入名副審計長林汝玲代理主任秘書鄭惠峰第一廳陳瓊怡廳長第二廳陳振翁廳長 |
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第三廳張志全廳長第四廳張國清廳長第五廳陸冠聖廳長第六廳葉盈慈廳長副省市王庭榮主任資訊處溫大明代理處長總務處蕭瑞勇處長 |
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人事室黃炳煌主任會計室王雪林主任振豐室黃繼德主任教育農林審計處林聖賢處長交通建設審計處李奕勳處長台北市審計處洪春曦處長 |
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新北市審計處張錫龍處長桃園市審計處黃美蘭處長台中市審計處張漢清處長台南市審計處王文柱處長高雄市審計處陳三明處長基隆市審計室吳婉瑜主任宜蘭縣審計室劉麗琳主任 |
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新竹縣審計室莊淑梅主任新竹市審計處郭立林主任苗栗縣審計室楊立芬主任彰化縣審計室謝淑芬主任南投縣審計室李景梅主任 |
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雲林縣審計市楊美冠主任嘉義縣審計市陳信惠主任嘉義市審計市魏士儒主任屏東縣審計市李雪梅主任花蓮縣審計市邱燦興主任台東縣審計市蔣文興主任 |
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澎湖縣審計室高慧雅主任金門縣審計室吳維鈺主任再介紹 補介紹林德福委員請問各位委員對議事錄 上次議事錄有異議沒有 那上次議事錄確定 |
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今日議程安排邀請行政院主計總署及審計部列席業務報告現在請行政院主計總署陳主計長進行業務報告 |
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主席 各位委員女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會報告本總署的業務概況自感榮幸以下請就重要業務情形提出報告 敬請各位委員指教第一個是預算業務的部分我們根據 |
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籌編116年度中央政府總預算案和附屬單位預算和中計表為強化施政計畫預算編列的連結根據落實中程計畫預算制度各主管機關116年到119年度中程計畫概算額度將以115年度為基礎 |
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進行滾動推估並依預算法規定在116年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案終據表在今年115年8月底送請貴院來審議那第二個編制完成115年中央總預算案及附屬單位預算案的部分 |
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我們在去年114年8月29已經送貴院來審議會順利推動福國利民的一個政策提升國家對災害的應變能力期盼大院能夠儘速完成審議第二個會計決算業務 |
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部分辦理114年中央總決算附屬單位決算和中繼表和特別決算的一個編審作業預計在本年4月底提前提經行政院院會通過後函送監察院二深化政府內部控制的一個機制我們協助機關強化內部控制監督各項作業工作持續輔導各機關 |
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學校來簽署內部控制的一個聲明書三統計調查業務一辦理國民所得統計那今年的一個第四季的經濟成長率是12.65那因為人工智能高效能還有等輸出大幅成長還有一個政府的一個固定投資包括機械設備和智慧財產投資增加那民間消費也實質成長3.45那所以他並繼前三季 |
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114年度的經濟成長率為8.68百分比展望今年因為一月我和美國的一個達成貿易有力的協定對美出口半導體和延伸投資免稅配合和 |
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1902.755 |
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1915.233 |
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最優惠的一個稅率是我國AI主要的一個相關蘇美產品關稅不確定因素來消除所以主要雲端服務業擴大AI相關的資本支出還有包括 |
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1941.539 |
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硬體需求持續強硬所以預測本年經濟成長率預計為7.71請詳看副表1第二個是辦理物價統計去年消費者物價指數是上漲1.66那其中外食會房租會各漲3.39那主要是因為購買一次的一個上漲2.30明顯高於整體CPE |
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1944.62 |
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1958.636 |
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民眾對物價上漲感受比較深刻是因為每月至少購買一次的部分他明顯比較比較賬戶沒有那麼高一至二月 |
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1959.497 |
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1976.083 |
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跟去年同期漲1.23主要是因為外食會單類和肉類價格上漲核心物價指數CPI是1.93生產者物價指數是比去年1.79所以本年一至二月的PPI比去年下跌1.33 |
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1977.563 |
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1995.436 |
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那主要的一個相關的表請看副表二那我們第三個是辦理社會保障保險支出的一個統計那我們去年底我們編佈社會保障支出統計首次發佈社會保障支出總體有效涵蓋率那去年社會保障支出2兆6953億佔GDP10.5% |
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1999.899 |
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2023.012 |
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平均每一個人11.5 比去年618億 增加618億然後主要是因為退休幾戶清理人數增加還有長照服務能量來提升我國社會保障利潤概率由105年的91.5增到現在目前的94.8那主要是因為政府持續推動少子女化對策還有擴大花旺育兒津貼 |
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2025.234 |
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2043.035 |
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所以他領取現金給戶的一個人員增加相關的表報請看戶表3和戶表4那辦理人力供需各項一個抽樣調查那我們本總署按月辦理人力資源調查還有收工員工薪資調查 |
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2044.296 |
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2072.359 |
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和新勞動力市場的一個供需調查員工勞動報酬薪資調整等資訊應用相關公務的一個大數據還有護海澳工程人員統計的一個薪資中位數統計充實就業和薪資統計的一個內涵那115年1月份的一個失業率是3.29那四周的失業率是3.31那失業的一個情勢穩定那去年的一個每個月的 |
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月經常薪資平均是47884比去年增加3.09%那前年總薪資是76632增加3.91那T屬物價因素之後平均薪資是成長1.4%那經常性中位數是38406元實質經常性薪資成長1.35% |
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那五是辦理基本國事調查那我們114年在四月間我們會辦理農林榆木普查那我們也提供網路填報的方式供民眾來一個做選擇那也同時舉辦115年工業和服務業的一個前置準備的一個工作那四在主機資訊方面我們中央辦理中央和地方相關預算會計資訊系統的一個業務 |
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然後在協助各機關在114年度完成總決算附屬單位決算的一個編制並進行116年度總預算附屬單位預算的一個籌編工作那辦理統計普查和資料倉儲開放的作業我們已經完成普抽查母體地址整編 |
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等一個系統的功能徵修也協助受查探索完成114年農林榆木葉試驗性調查的一個作業那我們會持續進進製藥倉儲的一個系統那辦理確保機敏製藥的一個安全 |
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那本處已完成預算決算統計等1945項開放資料的一個釋出那並在中央政府總預算查詢服務平台公開中央政府各機關115年總預算案的一個資料所以5大院115 |
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第一十一屆第四會第二次貴委員會亦主辦辦理的四項委員就本總處所提的一個質詢在會後答覆則有五項均以答覆委員在案以上為本總處近期的一個工作推展清醒今後將持續推進經濟主機業務以協助推動各項政務敬請各位委員女士先生鼎力支持祝福大家健康快樂萬事如意謝謝 |
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謝謝陳主席長現在請省紀部陳省紀長進行業務報告 |
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主席 各位委員 女士 先生今天應邀列席貴委員會報告審計部的業務概況 祝感榮幸本部依法掌理政府及其所屬機關財務的審計多年來承蒙大院委員的支持與鼓勵各項審計工作均能按照計畫進行藉此競表由衷的感謝114年度依法審核中央及地方7969個機關單位 |
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收支金額A28兆元之執行之將審計A5的辦理概況檢要報告之下依114年度重要A5辦理情形完成總結算及特別結算的審核暨半年結算報告的查核113年中央政府總結算暨附屬單位結算綜計表中央政府全章基礎建設第四期的特別結算本部以依憲法規定完成審核 |
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各縣市的政府年度總結算一經各地方審計處處在法定期限內完成審核提出重要審核意見2456項 |
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114年度的中央政府半年結算報告完成本部已完成查核並於114年9月26日提出半年結算查核報告已大宴竹橋市政府半年結算已經本部各地方審計處在法定期限內完成審核提出重要審核意見63項 |
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審計的綜合績效114年度構想審計業務執行結果審核113年度的結算經依法修正稅日收入結算增累16億餘顏減累16億餘顏 |
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2337.801 |
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依法修正稅出租出決算 增列40號議員 減列54億議員考核各機關之績效 報告兼裁案者66案提出重要建議改善意見341項任何有可提升效能增進公共利益提出建議意見1013項 |
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2361.485 |
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提出預警系意見兩百三十二項稽查財務上的違私及報請監察案處理者三案與送書法機關偵辦者五案通知各機關查明處分者一百一十七案三更系強化審計功能與落實創新核心價值 |
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破壞未來六年以智慧損棄、永續損棄、韌性損棄及共助善助等四大面向深化、監督、洞察、前瞻三大政府的損棄功能戰略發展除夕以創新思維經濟損棄業務 |
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四更新推展公民參與審計近三年已完成專家諮詢535次1795則的重要審計諮詢的發佈更新優化審核報告編報內容及諮詢諮詢深化重要施政議題查核專章會編行政機關優良實務案例推廣擴散情形並優化總結算的審核報告諮詢揭露 |
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導入多元資訊科技的數位審計發展集體作為包括儲蓄擴充數位審計模組及工具應用大數據分析與AI輔助審計推動與公司部門集合單位的專業交流與分享並建立審計資料中心統整應用查核資料又加強審計的後職後職專業發展資本集體作為 |
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精進審計專業培訓 鼓勵數位自主學習 擴展國際審計視野115年度審計工作重點 因應時事 社會時事的脈動 滾動調整專章主題內容加強特別預算執行情形的審計 |
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3.擴展數位審計查核議題推動審計作為數位化的轉型4. |
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藉機國際優良審計實務強化永續審計5. |
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加強政府任性助理的查核擴展任性審計6. |
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2493.875 |
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2498.596 |
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加強利害關係人的協力合作達成共住善住的願景7. |
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2498.596 |
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2500.777 |
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加強辦理地方政府財政管理的審計 |
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三、大宴第十一屆第四會期主辦重要事項的處理應事面答覆者十一項越韓報大宴財政與相關委員及相關委員以十六項列為審核參考審計工作的主要目的在於促進政府健全財務助勢協助國家良善治理本部當除夕加強推動各項審計業務以善盡審計主軸以上報告請起主席、各位委員、女士、先生、主教謝謝 |
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謝謝陳審計長請回座現在開始詢答先做一下宣告每位出席委員發言時間8分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘每位列席委員發言時間5分鐘今日上午10時截止發言登記現在依登記順序請登記第一位林德福委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席是不是請主記長跟沈記長首先我請主記長因為中東的戰火短期對於國內消費者物價指數影響你認為有多大 |
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2602.544 |
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因為我們有一個物價穩定機制所以目前的一個石油都暫時還漲那但是它如果是它漲10%那對我們一個GDP的影響是0.1%那如果說全數漲價是0.12% |
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2619.135 |
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那對消費者物價指數來講是會影響0.24所以這個部分必須要看我們整個他整個如何而且目前因為如果說這個戰爭他很快就結束那將來的影響就不會那麼大所以整個部分我們一直都是在在嚴密的一個那要是沒有短期結束呢 |
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是所以我們這個也相關的一個措施我們都目前都已經像經濟部啦像我們整個一個穩定物價小組啊整個都是參與在做這整個一個包括中油包括那個那個那個台電整個都參與在這裡面在參與整個一個這就整個來要如何因應來做一個 |
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因為2026年伊朗的反制行動不僅針對以色列本土與美軍的基地更延伸至其他中東國家的人員基礎設施並將荷莫茲海峽的郵輪 |
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作為攻擊打擊的目標與1991年波斯灣戰爭有相當大的差異啊 不同如果戰火持續到九月甚至於戰場擴大到其他國家對於國內物價波動又會造成哪些的影響那個主席長你做個說明好不好 |
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是 這其實整個我們根據經濟部它三四月其實它的油價天然氣它都已經安排好那以後呢它也陸續一直在安排就事先去取得所以縱使是說有所延長對我們的影響也不會很大當然延長的部分我們這邊整個一個穩定物價小組就會有各項的一個措施來做一個因應所以這個部分我們一直在密切注意當中我希望說未雨綢繆 |
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主計長因為主計總署公布今年的經濟成長率上看7.71%CPI消費物價指數115年預測是1.68%可是主計長相信跟我反映這7.71%的經濟成長好像只有高科技的產業半導體才有 |
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那百分之二左右的消費者這些物價指數也跟鄉親們每天面對民生的開支包括物價高漲的實質體感的落差很大那上班族民眾許多是外食族感受到許多業者調漲售價 |
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便當價格也調漲 房租也上漲都讓民眾生活倍感壓力啊那我請問主計長你怎麼來看待整個統計數據與民眾感受的巨大落差你有什麼看法 |
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其實是沒有落差的因為我們整個一個調查一個368項的一個品項它是有分各種但是我們也都針對各種也把它列出分列來表達讓大家來知道這個訊息我剛剛有特別提到說可能那些高科技產業 |
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當然他們的主要經濟成長是在那個區塊那至於說其他就是他們感到這個落差很大這是不是代表我們CPI的統計的權重這個有失準數據沒有辦法反映在民眾的生活壓力上 |
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我們GDP的一個本身它雖然是集中在AI但是AI也帶動其他產業的一個成長包括投資所以這個部分並不是說它沒有成長而是它成長的幅度沒有AI的那麼大 |
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所以本身包括消費這部分都是有成長的所以整個CPI的部分像水果蔬菜最近都穩定了都穩定下現在是因為石油的關係但是石油關係的部分我們有反這樣的一個機制存在所以對民生的影響並不是很大影響不大經濟部3月底將召開電價匯率的一個審議委員會決定4月的電價 |
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那你也是竹記總署也是電價匯率審議委員之一啊那政府機關代表之一那我請問竹記長對於電價竹記總署你們的立場是希望動漲電價還是調漲電價 |
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我們以這個時機我們希望說我們有一個物價穩定小組我們都希望能夠還漲所以像石油天然氣都還漲所以我們這方面也希望到時候盡量是朝這個方向讓人民能夠安定穩定 |
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因為中東戰火前夕中油累計虧損已達804億那中油原先預估今年可轉虧為盈獲利目標是80億看來應該是有很大的難度那中油監護穩定物價政策針對中油虧損請問主席長中央是否有對討論過116年變異算來撥補中油有沒有這樣的想法 |
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中友目前有向經濟部提出四年的一個增資計畫那我們這個會把他納入計畫裡面來針對中友來增資然後以協助他度過這個難關好我希望齁這個要就是放長遠一點去看啦那我來繼續問那個沈記長那個沈記長 |
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因為審計部發展AI審計強化應用AI人工智慧來查閉以協助第一線的審計官來辦案那媒體報導說副審計長李順寶一夜已經就退休被鴻海集團延攬那本席當然我也祝福他 |
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由於前副審計長李寶順對於AI的這些科技應用相當熟悉那請問審計部那個審計長李寶順副審計長退休以後是否會影響審計部未來推動AI審計的這項工作會不會 |
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謝謝委員關心這些問題李副審計長是在我們審計部任職期間對於審計業務都所貢獻至於他退休後個人的生涯規劃是個人職涯的選擇本部予以尊重及祝福 |
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我們這一方面的人才 世衛的人才 AR的人才非常的多啦所以我們也會從育才訓練 我們一年訓練了一千多人次也會從攬才 也會從留才 這三方面進行 |
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也希望就是有真正好的人才來當副審計長這個整個AI這個區塊由他來執掌能夠照過去那種操作方式我認為這個很重要謝謝我們第三位的副審計長就是朱姓處長是這樣喔 |
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因為過去有發生很多橋樑安全檢測虛偽的造假案例檢測照片複製貼上關於AI審計本級是希望審計部對於跟人民生命財產安全息息相關的這些預算比如說橋樑、隧道安全、山坡地的監測、大眾運輸、維修、保養等等要加強來 |
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把關他的力道那現在AI身為技術日新月異許多照片影片一時之間難以分辨真假AI生成的假收據假照片未來審計部是否有能力來揪出這些不法 |
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我們對這一種假照片這一種我們就揪出了非常多揪出了三百多件所以這個也都移送減掉對於這方面尤其這個屬於民生上像那個台鐵旁邊的邊坡的那個安全我們通通剛剛委員講的那幾項我們都列入重點查核因為這是關心人民的生命財產沒有錯這個很重要 |
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這個 沈記長自從本期去年12月詢問沈記長有關於媒體報導253億的中油關塘接收站三接外推方案環波體興建工程涉及的湖泡工程預算當時沈記長說因為社會上對這個 |
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紛紛擾擾有財務的問題有採購的問題所以派省紀官專案調查那已經經過三個多月那我請問省紀長中游三接工程案這個調查結果到現在可以對外說明嗎 |
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目前這個案子我們就照委員的那個組織的主事我們去查了第一個我們把他移送檢調第二個我們已經移送檢查案整個案子我們通通因為進了檢調進了檢查案現在這兩個單位在瞭解因為他有那個書族好 積極偵探最後一個題那個沈紀長 |
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因為政府預算違法濫用 審計部有職責後續的追蹤把不當使用的這些預算刪除不管是中選會前主委陳英前這個違法失職重新刊登公告使用了931萬元之前的審計部查核 勞動部救安基金濫用 |
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預算七千兩百二十四萬元那請問審計部這些違法使用的預算何時能夠追回來總不能遙遙無期沒有結果吧這一個部分就按我們今天啦是重點查核我們已經派人到那個勞動部去查這些問題啦積極追查我們要看成果好不好好謝謝謝謝聯會 |
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第二位請賴世鮑委員指選謝謝主席以及各位鄉親有請陳主席長以及陳省記者兩位一起請陳主席長跟陳省記者 |
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委員好兩位長官好那麼我們立法院這個正式三讀通過就是民生總預算新興計畫38項其中包括TPAS大概70億左右包括交通部的包括補助地方政府的補助地方政府大概60億的交通部自己大概10億左右 |
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致孫恍恍計劃 少子化就讓生小孩一胎十萬塊生育補儲等等38項718億這個民生總預算三讀通過組織總入是不是就准許這個預算通知 |
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我們已經詢問給各單位 請他先行動之了可以先行動之了但是問題就是說 這個部分他雖然先行動之 但是他和預算三讀通過的效力是不一樣所以如果立法院將來審議預算的時候 針對這些預算有所刪減他還是會產生一些的問題造成行政人員整身在中央上的一個制裁 |
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你先回答我就是說已經700多億是不是准你動之是不是我們已經請問請各單位簽願中請各單位來動之所以開始可以動之了已經在簽願了好 那個要請沈記長了沈記長對這個事情我們三讀通過雖然是總議院裡面抽出一部分 |
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這個審計部的態度是什麼看這個事情預算法裡面如果有還沒有完成審理但是有經歷完先行同意動之的是可以執行的所以我們會參照這個718億原則上我們會看他的一個希望他能夠加強執行 |
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如果像主計長講的那718億不會有主計長講的那個情況我們就通過了 三讀通過了不會有那種說通過以後還要把它刪減啊這種事情不會發生啦但是萬一發生會怎麼樣 |
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行政院有一個暫停規定啦他到時候要調整但是大應通過了我們是希望我們通過了就通過了啦這一步就不再審了啦預算有審查的要去注意到我們拿出來780億通過就通過了 |
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就通過了深圳市行政部門今天我是樂見我們的主計長說已經動之了因為我一直有聽到一個聲音說卡住了 你們還不動之 不好 特別我要將一哥提醒主計長你的報告裡面第八頁就有提到了第八頁呢這個講了很多中間有一段我念給你聽了 |
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五國社會保障總體有效覆蓋率由105年的91.5%逐年增加到94.8%主因最近政府持續推動少子化 擴大發放 以而緊貼就很清楚嘛 你自己說的這一次7181就是有這一條 |
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所以我現在講一個就是說,主席長我樂見你這樣的回答,但是因為這個Echo,如果今天你說不可以動之,你的報告都這樣寫,我再請教主席長,美以一戰爭持續,GDP要不要調整,今年度的預估還是7.7嗎? |
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第一個就是說看油價漲 成長的漲價的一個幅度油價已經漲破一百了啊是 但是現在以我們的物價來講因為我們有抑制它雙漲嘛 對不對所以目前我們有一個物價穩定小組那我們讓油價還漲那這樣子的一個虧損我們會做補貼那所以現在變成包括台油中油台電還有台水相關 |
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你編預算沒有 他補貼多少 要補貼多少不是 這補貼是將來以後再已經補貼啦 已經原來漲五塊多 現在變成一塊多了所以他會變成 當場我們都支持啦 我們都支持他會當場他吸收 他會當變成他當年度的虧損所以一般的虧損的部分 我們就會透過增資的方式所以我的問題 等一下等一下 你們這樣沒用嗎所以我的問題就是GDP |
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按照主計程的講法GDP不會影響還是7.7%是不是 我就問你是不是GDP的部分這個部分我們是每三個月會做一個評估包括這個條件包括數據所以我們會在 |
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整個做整個條件但是目前以那個對每一個一個那個關稅的一個問題並沒有很大的影響那現在就是美伊戰爭的一個部分那如果說油價上漲10%對GDP影響0.12%那所以以這樣來換算的部分那如果說這個部分這是一個變動的因素包括是不是還有其他一個變動因素我們都會列入考量 |
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然後在五月份的時候我們還在做一個修正是這樣子我就是不理啦到目前我們收購是7.71%沒有錯可是不用喔你剛剛講啦油價沒漲10%GDP減0.1%對不對好 |
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那現在油價已經從80塊漲到100塊了漲25%了漲25%了啊這樣就影響0.2、1.25啦1.2啦是是嗎是照這樣換算所以整個是做依此來做變動的變幅所以就看油價的漲怎麼樣 |
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阿物價咧 物價會漲0.24所以現在油價漲25%了 已經漲25%了所以25%乘以0.24的物價就漲這樣子囉 是不是啊但是 主計長我提醒你喔要提醒你啦 |
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那個桶莊 瓦斯 小吃店 小賣店 我們旁邊立陶宛旁邊的小吃店 哀聲鈴鈴 笑苦連天 因為瓦斯 桶莊瓦斯會去啊 |
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是,這個部分呢,中油和台電它會有一些議職漲幅的一個措施出來那這個部分在行政院的一個穩定物價小組裡面都會討論我再問你喔,油價已經漲潑白了,像叔叔不吃喔 |
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中華去年度虧損90億,累積虧損811億,每年利息付出140億,三度提出增資,你們同意到增資嗎?所以今年他如果提出增資,我們會把他列入考量經濟部,他已經有跟經濟部提出要增資 |
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這個部分3500億他什麼時候要提出來什麼時候要提出來116年度中長城計畫的時候我們希望他能夠他在115年2月已經跟經濟部提出來了主席長 同意 |
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不是 這個部分我們預算編列會有它一定的一個程序會先到中長城的一個計劃去審什麼時候可以確定要給他增資 什麼時候可以確定大概今年的七月七月 來 沈記長你看一下好不好中聯合現在持續虧損 要提增資 沈記長的態度是什麼 |
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中油連續五年多虧損不是光現在所以我們是希望中油能夠減少不經濟輸出增進一些效能 |
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注意要不要爭執我們尊重行政院的態度因為這個時代 這個時機啊因為有這樣的問題啊總有會講啊 總有會講啊所有的虧損都是配合政策啊補貼稅虧損虧到這樣啊你怪我 你不用怪我啊來 那個 沈記長 |
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因為中油有一個油價的調漲基礎他根據他購買的原料他會慢慢慢慢原來有個公司 現在政府因為局勢世界中東在打仗所以給他動場這個局勢動場產生的虧損我是同意組織長或是同意行政院的做法這個 |
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因為政府的力量介入 造成中有的虧損這點要政府扛啦 不能夠叫中有扛啦好 最後我同意好 最後一個來那個 主席長請回喔 我就問一下沈記長111年了 國內有暗網兜售台灣2300多萬人的個資啦你有沒有立案調查 有調查結果咧 |
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正在調查 什麼時候有結果我們大概列底他們去採抽的人員會回來有受害的民眾去提告 就在我的選區到台北高等行政法院還贏呢 還贏呢他就告 告內政部 他贏囉 |
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我就問審計長的態度他們已經有民眾提告他的個人權利受損所以呢他就提告北高行台北高等行政法院判他贏內政部輸 |
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這個我們會根據損失發現 損失事實來做處理這個我們已經通知了國安署那個諸安署這個很重要好不好我們把它當作因為這個諸安是國家的重點我們一定會配合你同時調查一下這是內政部的啦還有我們健保署 |
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的資料也是被盜也被盜出去的那是早期 早期我們一族也在追也在追一下 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝接下來請郭國文委員質詢那個主計長跟審計長在上台不用再向我行禮了不用客氣 謝謝謝謝主席 有請主計長跟審計長 |
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請主席長跟沈記長委員長好主席長你好我想剛剛回答那個委員的這個質詢當中有關於這個經濟成長率預估是7.71那之所以這樣會出現7.71的這個數字的GDP成長來自於出口的增加22.22投資呢增加4.24消費增加2.51那物價的部分呢CPI的部分控制在2%以內嘛對不對 |
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這個數字最新的數字你今天報告當中寫的一樣的這個數字可是你當初預估的時候應該是二月戰爭還沒發生之前還沒有發生還沒有發生之前那你說你發生之後你可能會在五月的時候再進一步的調整嗎是我們在五月的時候還會開會來再做一個調整 |
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才會做一個調整但是現階段來說大家就是擔心在GDP的部分會有什麼樣的衝擊在CPI的部分會有什麼樣的衝擊跟你預估的部分會有什麼樣的差異舉剛剛的例子來說的話其實你們當初設定的油價每桶是58.6美元當初設定是這樣子現在已經破了100美元也就是說它不是只有上漲25%而已 |
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就數字上用基數來去換算的話不是上漲25%幾乎是要成長將近一倍啊那每增加10%你說減2.0.20.1 |
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0.1那現階段那很明顯那衝擊蠻大的你有沒有可能在短期內先預估一下數字不用再等到五月來面對這個數字上的問題來做一個內部調整的修正讓外界可以知道說到底這一個中東情勢造成的影響在經濟成長的GDP跟CPU可能會造成的成長是多少 |
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因為這個部分本身它的一個成長我們目前差不多石油和天然氣三四月目前是都沒有問題那大概五月以後所以現在如果說看戰爭它一個長短那目前來講的話就是剛剛講的如果調漲百分之十會影響到0.1那如果CPI會影響0.24那這個部分呢我們 |
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因為目前我們也會有雙議長的一個那個就是我知道政策上有議長的問題嘛待會我們來討論議長的那個政策的一個推動的問題可是現階段除了議長之外其他的國家處理方式啦就我知道美國的方式日本的方式他就把原來的這個戰備儲備的這個石油把它釋出嘛 |
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他用釋出的方式來壓抑但是即便各國都已經在釋出這個石油的情況底下他的油價一樣是破百嘛你看如果是油價持續上升的話如果你加上沒有溢價的話那物價一定會波動嘛譬如講你一個漁船出去外面捕魚所耗的這個油費如果增加的話他捕獲的魚回來到市場一定會增加價格嘛 |
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那一定會造成這個物價的波動嘛不是嗎所以說這連帶的關係的部分目前為止穩定物價小組比較做的部分還是黃小玉的免稅而已可是穩定物價小組現在對油電的部分是政府全部要吸收嗎如果政府全部要吸收的話那政府對於整個中油跟台電的負擔會越大剛剛雖然有委員講得很好聽但是事實上去年的台電要1500億的撥補的時候就被砍掉了不是嗎 |
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對啊 那你確定中油接下來的政治一定會順利通過嗎那如果沒有通過怎麼辦我們會來努力 是這個部分我當然知道你持續努力啊但是問題是 本節目問題是說沒有通過怎麼處理啊對啊 這家公司可能就面臨這個可能會有 |
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會有破損 不是破損而已 可能會倒台耶對 等於說台電和中央它必須背負利息背負利息對 所以就過往在野黨的態度是如此耶除了中俄跟台電的部分一般的民眾還是最關心那個GDP跟這個CPI的部分 |
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不管是你0.1號0.24也好你至少要預估一下這個戰爭的短期中期跟長期可能的預期充足的三種模式出來嘛可是現階段來說你到了3月16號已經發生了15天之後我們沒有看到任何的一個你們的推估啊 |
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我們一般GDP是三個月推估一次然後我們CPI是每個月都會推估所以一般現在就是變成我們在五月的時候會針對GDP裡面它各項的變數然後各項的變數去做確認然後它影響的變數是多少然後去推估那像CPI的話所以五月的時候才會再行修正就是了不論是CPI也好或GDP也好 |
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每個月GDP的話到五月我們會請專家學者還有各種專家來針對所以現階段的方式就是一樣是那個壓抑油價跟電價的方式來面對還有黃曉玉的方式來面對這個過程就面對這個過程另外的部分那個增資中油增資的部分盡量說服盡量努力我們會盡量努力來說服各位委員 |
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好 那另外一個部分有一個部分我們的總預算目前都還沒有通過那我們社福今天要透過追加預算的部分來處理這個部分我們知道這個社福今天的部分非常的重要且關鍵因為你在報告當中也提到說這個有效的覆蓋率的部分你們在今年度做一個首次的公佈希望做一個有效的提升這個是環環相扣的問題 |
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這六項這個中低收入付的社福津貼總共的金額是高達65.9億之外你還有兩項喔國民年金的部分喔還有老農津貼的部分喔老農津貼跟國民年金的部分他要花費多少金額 |
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老農如果是看一年是129那如果是兩個加起來嗎因為老農今天一年是129如果半年的話大概64.5國民年金也是他半年是85左右六大社會是65這樣子所以整個是如果是半年這兩個半年增加的額度增加大概120億是不是對 |
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所以說總共加起來大概185億之多嘛如果這個追加預算還是會面臨一個問題啊如果在野黨Bag的話那要怎麼處理第一個總預算要先過總預算沒有過總預算沒有過就沒有這個追加預算的問題可是問題我現在問你就是說這是法律上的問題啊你總預算沒有過你怎麼追加預算那我們怎麼是對外號稱說我們7月1號要上路 |
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所以我們希望能夠在總預算請各位委員能夠先行審查因為現在我們總預算都還沒有審查那如果總預算要先審查我們在七月份追加預算才有可能上路那不然的話可能要再往後延遲 |
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所以就只能往後延所以這是環環相扣啦不過我跟你跟那個主席講說這個其實老實說在民間是因應期盼啦所以我們在講這一個有關於這個社福津貼提高的話最佳預算的話大家眼睛都睜了很大 |
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不論是從中低收入也好從老農今天也好或國民年金也好大家眼睛都睜很大都很期待這一筆啊這個追加預算趕快通過可是總預算沒有省追加預算就不可能嘛那為什麼我們追加預算可能有能夠付出這一筆錢呢因為你之前有算過嘛 |
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就是說我們在113年的社會保障支出是2兆6953億嘛占整個GDP的10.5%嘛平均每人增加11.5每人平均是11.5萬嘛有效的覆蓋率是94.8嘛對本席再提醒妳一下我們的GDP呢從113年到115年齁增加的金額是5兆6千億啊我們有更多的籌碼 |
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跟預算跟這些稅金可以來照顧這些弱勢嘛不是嗎 |
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所以說我們有機會提高這些覆蓋率所以對增加這些有效的覆蓋率跟提升這些社福津貼包括國民年輕或者是包括老農津貼也好國家財政應該是沒有什麼任何問題吧我們所以說如果政府我們就盡量來提高一個這個社會津貼的一個覆蓋率對 沒有錯啊所以我們有這個實力可以做好這些事情這就是賴總統所說的好的數字要轉成好的生活不是嗎 |
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所以今年我們大概整個一個六大社會今天我們是提高23.5%你從那個數字報紙上都有寫我們要去講的是說呢因為今年選舉年大家可能會又扣你帽子我們要講的是說過去長期以來我們累積的經濟實力可以照顧這些弱勢讓它有效的覆蓋這個才會建立一個正當性我只是提醒主席長這個部分最後我再跟主席提醒一下 |
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現階段的話國民黨的版本的這個國防特別預算當中所提的這個金額啊等於是在挖坑給行政部門跳為什麼如果照國民黨的版本我們的負債從原來財發法的他們的第二個版本通過要負債這個舉債兩千九百九十二億結果呢這個國防部的部分又增加一千有辦法這樣子處理嗎有沒有辦法舉債 |
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還有這個空間嗎因為舉在它是分年啦一般我們1.25兆是分8年嘛所以一年差不多1000多億還可以Cover過去最後有一點我要提醒那個主席長因為之前呢財法法的這個部分行政院版本推出來作為一個優先法案 |
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你做這個優先法案的一個前提底下一直以來在本委員會一直提醒你在事權跟財權的這個如何處理我們希望有一個版本出來我們還是在提醒你在你在推動這個同時當中你一直在提一直在討論但是已經一年多了我希望這個東西在財發法在討論過程當中能夠增加一些說服力好不好主席長請你費心一下也請沈記長 |
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這個部分從你審計的角度反饋回來讓我們財發法能夠更加健全謝謝兩位 謝謝好 謝謝 請回座下一位諮詢的委員是林黛樺委員好 我們有請主計長請陳主計長委員好 |
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這個監督國庫帳房本席針對兩個第一個經濟成長並為全民平均受惠第二個特別預算常態化的舉債成長跟經濟財政的紀律這個怎麼用來來來這個好來質詢的部分不好意思啊主席這個我還不知道怎麼怎麼按這個東西可以教導一下嗎這個我不會按耶這我按都不能 |
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是怎麼按這個嗎我按怎麼不行是按中間這個嗎不好意思主席不好意思好 |
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沒有電了好沒有電好第一個呢針對平均薪資跟薪資中位數第二個特別預算長待發的舉債成長跟財政機率下一頁好足跡總數身為國家的帳房每一筆的預算都編列代表的政府的施政重點也呈現台灣2300萬人民的生活跟未來在7.7%的經濟成長為何年輕人無感針對標普全球今年 |
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二月預測今年全球的經濟成長率是2.9%跟去年是持平的但是主計總數你預測我國今年的成長率可以到7.71%而今年的消費物價指數呢也會漲1.68% |
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那足跡總數您說這個115年的經濟成長率高達7.7%這在後疫情時代跟國際貿易動彈下是非常驚人的但是我們來看這一組數據這三個數據平均薪資48,000經常性薪資中位數是38,319元未滿30歲的經常性中位數是31,000 |
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一千七百四十元好這樣的公佈呢這個平均薪資接近四萬八四十上平均數極易受到高薪資族群跟極端值的拉抬真正代表普羅大眾心情的經常性的薪資是落在三萬八千三百一十九元 |
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這代表全台灣有超過一半的受僱勞工每年領不到10萬元更讓本期擔憂的是未滿30歲的年輕人薪資的中位數只有31815年所以當政府高喊經濟成長預測達到7.7%的時候這過半數的基層勞工完全感受不到成長的果實就是說政府你在騙我 |
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就是這個數字 就是這樣的心態所以你每公佈一次 這個民運就提高一次既然你115年了 如此的樂觀那當然我也希望 本席也希望是如此的數字的呈現但是你怎麼解釋這種高經濟成長跟低實質薪資征服的斷層呢 |
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第二個這種平均薪資的說法是不能為主流民意所接受就好像本席本人我跟籃球選手姚明平均身高也有190啊你覺得這個數字對我林黛華有什麼對本席還有什麼意義沒有意義啊 |
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就好像你說四萬八跟我一般老百姓的薪資平均三萬八跟三十歲以下三萬的我一定是罵翻你政府了所以這個數據其實就我們的這樣的一個平均薪資跟薪資中位數拿台積電的高薪去平均月薪三萬的基層勞工對他們有意義嗎所以這個您怎麼看呢 竹記長 |
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因為其實他薪資是都有行業別啦那我們是整個一個薪資的中位數是三萬八那三萬八是指百分之五十以上就會有具有三萬八這樣的一個資格但是各行業別還是有不同啦譬如說服務業他的薪資大概都是在三萬多出頭到四萬這樣一個階級主席長以後公布好了 |
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不要每次都引起民怨就覺得我們在騙人民所以你必須公布實質薪資的成長率這個東西你一定要同步的公布這樣人民會覺得我們也看著這個數字今年的這個平均薪的平均的中位數是這個三萬八也許明年三萬九或者明年我又多了這個五百塊 |
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4936.252 |
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這個才表示我們的施政有力道看的是成長進步而不是用那個表面的數字完全是跟現實脫鉤的這樣可以嗎是我要跟委員報告事實上我們在公佈的時候我們各行業別的一個中位數包括它的平均薪資包括它的中位數各行業別各年齡別我們都有公佈並不是說沒有公佈那你的新聞稿要特別注意 |
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這個部分並不是說沒有公佈只是說因為你的新聞稿的重點接下來特別預算常態化的舉債成長跟財政機率這個表啊這個是從2017年也就是我爬梳大概這近十年來現在2026年這近十年來從2027到2025的基礎前瞻一直到我們2019到2026的新式戰機的採購 |
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4964.614 |
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到這個防疫紓困振興海空戰力提升疫後強化經濟社會韌性的特別預算一直到今年還沒有去年還沒通過的強化韌性的國防大概5200億一直到國防特別預算1.25兆 |
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4984.639 |
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5002.19 |
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這個數字顯示特別預算的累計速度的斜率是明顯的陡峭化這正是常態化的最強鐵證所以從2005年的特別預算的累計我用累計有0.3兆中央的債務是3.6兆 |
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2015年的特別預算的累積是1.1兆中央債務是5.3兆2024年的特別預算的累積是2.6兆中央債務6.5兆2025年我直接就把它加上去了你的2.6兆其實大概2.5多啦再加上這個我們的這個還沒通過的那兩個國防特別預算可以特別預算累積到4.3兆中央債務大 |
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5033.817 |
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5053.611 |
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達6.47兆也就是過去20年我從2025年開始算了特別預算的增幅跟2025年比較4.3跟0.3兆我增加了14倍遠遠超過政府債務的成長速度這代表政府已經不能通過總預算的節流來做事情 |
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5054.091 |
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5070.156 |
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而是習慣性的開外掛 繞過預算法的第83條特別預算是否已成為政府擴張支出的主要工具而非例外工具好 我在這邊也跟審計部 那也有請審計長 |
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審計長在這邊這個審計部點名的五項大概所有的這個預算會有這五項的失能這是你們的報告第一個執行力虛胖這個計畫的延宕嚴重第三個重複補助亂象第四個規避正規的預算那第五個是年齡感激度這是審計部你整個針對預算的這樣的一個報告 |
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那就以這樣的報告來對應我的這個特別預算特別預算能是例外嗎過去十年的特別預算超過了將近2.5兆我就沒再加上這個2025年沒通過的 |
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幾乎每兩年就編一個新的這符合預算法中的不定期或重大正式嗎如果每年都有重大正式那為什麼不乾脆編進總預算接受每年一度的細目審查呢 |
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好 那你們是不是真的也是在規避立法院的監督呢這是本席的第二項質疑特別預算是才一次通過分年執行這是否大幅削弱我立法院年度預算中的逐年刪減 |
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調整計畫的監督權利呢這是不是叫做空白授權第三個本席質疑的是真實的舉債比例為何這2.5兆的特別預算累計的特別預算當中是有多少是透過舉債之意債務呢又佔了GDP的比例下降 |
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這是你們的說法 官方的說法 債務暫時GDP比例下降但是事實上是什麼 是分母GDP長大了 但是分子債務的絕對值卻是不斷的堆疊所以一旦經濟下行的時候 行政院主計總署又如何確保財政機率先由沈記長您先回應 |
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特別預算的部分我們曾經109年或者112年都有提醒行政院會常態化這一個部分我們是希望能夠去注意到財政永續的問題我們有統計過差不多90年到114年我們辦了34個結算差不多1年1.5個大部分都擠債差不多有擠債的4兆 |
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5223.84 |
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既然沈記長有這樣的一個建言了就一個財政紀律希望也能夠常態的去編列那你怎麼看呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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事實上特別預算它並不是很例外它是有特別有一個必須經過特別條例經立法院通過以後我們才便利預算所以它是有特殊的那第二個它其實舉債它都受到我們整個舉債的限制並沒有說放任它不受舉債的限制所以這個部分呢在整個債務的一個控管上我們一直說控管的很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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那因為質詢世界大我最後提醒數字不應該只是用來美化政績而是發現問題解決問題預算不能只有特別而沒有紀律當例外變成常態這就是對法治跟子孫財政的背叛所以主計長您剛才的回應跟審計部審計長是有衝突的所以你們自己要好好的針對財政紀律再做一個協調 |
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5317.495 |
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不要再用GDP的增長來掩蓋債務絕對值的飆升因為這個是後代子孫每個世世代代的債務比是在增加的特別預算本來就是例外的制度在近十年來規模已經超過累計將近2.5兆元人民關心的是政府是否把特別預算當成常態所以請主計總署能夠一個月內提供維持財政紀律的方案給本委員會可以嗎好 謝謝 |
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5339.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
5345.527 |
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主席麻煩請陳主席長委員好依照我們財政紀律法中央政府的總預算能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
5357.655 |
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中央政府能夠舉借的是要佔這個前三年度平均GDP的多少個百分之十五四十點六如果是總那個是四十點六四十點六嘛那現在你知道我們中央政府就算這個普通的預算跟這個 |
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這個特別預算加總在一起我們現在的舉借數是多少比例是多少26點多26.426.4是你知不知道在馬英九執政的時候曾經高達38點多是剩下只有2點多個百分點36點多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
5401.877 |
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5411.565 |
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36.3絕算的你說馬英九的時代36.3所以那個差距只剩下4個百分點那個時候是非常危急那時候我有在財政委員會 |
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5412.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
5438.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
那當然你也可以說原因是因為我們這幾年台灣經濟成長率明顯提升所以連續三年的GDP就是往去年前年大前年三年加總在一起的平均數那個金額是比當年是高出很多的我舉個例子馬英九在當總統的時候我在當立法委員2012年那時候國家政府的總預算 |
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5439.95 |
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5468.475 |
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提預算到立法院來才一兆五千億左右詳細數據記不得了大概一兆四千多億或是一兆五千多億大概就是一兆五千億左右那去年度的國家政府總預算是三兆零三百五十億那前年呢前年是三一百一十四年是三兆零六萬九 |
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5470.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
5496.032 |
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六十九萬三兆零六十九億吧三兆零六十九億那前年你知道是多少嗎兩兆七兩兆七嗎我怎麼記得有一年是三兆一千多億他是有兩兆七啊總預算是兩兆七那特別預算加起來才有三兆那一百一十四年是三兆零六十九億 |
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5497.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
5513.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
那也就是說預算規模從2012年到2024年2025年幾乎增加了一倍嘛所以體量不同啦這個有時候是邏輯跟數字的問題我們公司如果我們的資本額 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
5514.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
5535.7 |
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是10億人我們可能我們舉借個3億4億我這個舉借的比例蠻高的30% 40%可是我的公司的體量如果已經變成20億我的資本已經20億我舉借的數目是3億4億的時候絕對數字沒有增加但是那個比例是下降很多那國家的預算喔 |
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5536.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
5558.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
不是跟個人的財務跟公司的財務不一樣不是債務越少越好因為我們要做一些資本門的投資資本門的投資它是會產出的就舉例我這個公司如果到銀行去舉竊我舉竊來的目的是增加生產增加生產之後是能夠再為公司賺進更多的錢這個是大家都 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
5559.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
5581.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
贊成這樣子的做法所有的這個總體經濟學 總體財政學大家都贊成這樣的講法所以台灣的負債比例到現在是27 25 26這個在全世界是少見難得的財政超級非常激烈我認為全世界排第前三名 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
5582.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
5607.161 |
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美國的超過他GDP的百分之百嘛日本最高嘛那中國隱藏的數字不算也高過百分之百以上啦那台灣百分之二十幾啊我覺得這是很健康也很好我們這些年的財政控管很好那至於沈記長常常在講的這些其實我在這邊十三四年了你每一年講的都一樣這個內容剛剛那五點 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
5611.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
5637.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
這十幾年來你把報告拿出來看都一樣因為你是在顧慮憂慮有這樣的風險而不是指證說現在就是這個樣子那你站在審計的角度一定是要把可能會發生的最不好的狀況就是醫生會把最不好的狀況說你如果在這個吃東西的時候這樣不節制啊這個澱粉吃這麼多啊小心你有糖尿病啊什麼這個講並不是跟你講說你現在有糖尿病 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
5639.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
5664.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
這個兩件事情要弄清楚那我現在一個最大的問題是去年度應該要審結今年度的國家政府總預算就沒有審嘛那看起來也不會審啦你記不記得去年我就跟你講過你不要傻了 國民黨不會給你審的啦我現在看法也是一樣的國民黨跟民眾黨加強還是不會審你去年的總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
5666.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
5682.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
那現在給你通過一個700多億 你只可以動用請問那個有沒有經過預算審查 到底你用了之後會不會追究責任我舉個例子 你裡面說700多億可以給你用那怎麼用也沒講啊 序幕也沒有啊你敢用嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
5686.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
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萬一你用了之後他不認帳那你怎麼辦呢是 就是怕這樣怕將來如果說用了不認帳那又做刪減那對行政人員來講這是違法然後也是屬於自愛那你知道他為什麼會通過說這個七星的7181號給你用你知道什麼原因嗎 |
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因為政治的壓力選民的壓力啊事情出來了之後趕快拿個急救章要解決這個事情啊T-box所有人都在用嘛大家就在罵啊為什麼你們不審查預算啊所以趕快用這個東西來搪塞來塞這個騙這些選民啊騙這些需要使用的人我跟你說喔預算是全國人民共用的他不是哪一個黨派的啦 |
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我在這個地方苦口婆心一再講喔如果你的第一預備金第二預備金跟障礙準備金都不能用270億那個是救命的錢啊你將來台灣萬一發生地震發生颱風發生淹水這些天災啊中央政府如果救災沒有任何一毛錢可以用欸那要怎麼辦處理長跟我講要怎麼辦到時候要怎麼辦 |
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對 因為現在五月汛期就來那有一些必須要事先做準備的免得將來颱風來的時候沒有辦法因應所以像災害準備金和第二預備金 第一預備金這總共170億部分那這個部分是很重要的所以我們是希望能夠如果沒有記錯的話 三個加起來是270不是170喔170億 |
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170是我記錯嗎對 因為第二預備金80 災害準備金50其他的第一預備金40是這樣所以170好 那如果沒有這170現在萬一發生天災舉個例子嘛他們副總召花蓮上次不是地震嗎是 |
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阿他不是要求我們要去救災嗎那你到時候媒體上大家就互相推責因為吵得不可開交阿中央政府沒花沒白洗阿對於我現在我們紀元沒辦法給我們錢沒辦法來救災 |
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他不知道是因為被立法院把你綁死啊錢都不讓你用然後將來還要再歸咎給你那如果吵得不可開就說趕快在立法院他們多數立法院通過一個決議說讓你們用也不講細節啊怎麼用 |
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所以我是覺得另外一個角度來講他那個7181如果給你用 既然有那個決定既然他們說任何那個可以用我個人建議 你就給他用是 我們有簽報院裡面要動之對 那你動之的時候他至於將來如果有審計書或什麼 不管因為你是授權 立法院授權給我用你又不跟我講細節所以我怎麼用我就怎麼用 |
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因為你已經通過這個預算的這個叫他們的說法已經通過預算的這718已經通過預算的這個審議了很奇怪用一個決議然後就說你可以用那以後我會不會用一個決議你的總預算全部都通過了不用審今年度的預算沒有審喔你以為我跟你報告我預估喔明年的他也不會給你審 |
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5904.48 |
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他這個會跟你對抗到2028年了他沒有拖垮台灣喔他們不會甘願啦所有的錢都不會讓你用啊不然你是要怎樣 我就算多一點啦我們國民黨跟民眾黨的票就是比較多 不然你是要怎麼樣到時候就是這樣子的狀況嘛 |
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預算沒有審議影響到我們整個一個全國一個扶民的一個大計所以我們希望貴院還是能夠盡速來審議那你這個苦口婆心說了很久然後我也跟你預測過了我預測有哪一點不準嗎 |
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我跟你說 我準準準啊 不會過啦 也不會審啦要審什麼 每天立法院365天都開會依照憲法規定兩個會期 中間要休會他也不休我佈建在一個司法防護網 365天都是會期裡面結果預算都不省立法院憲法給你規定最重要的預算審議 他不跟你進行啊 |
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我們希望還是盡快進入我們大家都希望啊 問題是我們的希望要去向誰哭訴啊你們趕快大聲講第一備災準備金沒有過第一備軍第二軍沒有過萬一台灣發生天災中央沒有任何一毛錢可以用先講啦 不要等到發生了之後才在那邊講說沒有錢可以用現在就要講 馬上就要講開記者會天天講 |
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我們也一再呼籲 因為170億有栽准金 第二預備金還有第一預備金 這個已經進入汛期所以這部分都是需要來先行動之的一個部分好 加油了謝謝有請賴會員 賴委員謝謝主席 |
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6015.125 |
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來請主計長跟省計長兩位兩位兩位長官早安那個我想主計總長我再來跟你演練一下剛剛那個我們我們稍微講就是說你的第二億備金其實在我們已經二讀二讀就是 |
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可以動之 二讀通過可以動之可是這個秉瑞委 秉瑞召委他是講說不會過未來也不會過也不可能預算 也不可能信那你覺得呢 |
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針對的剛才秉瑞委員你跟他對話對了那麼久他剛才特別就提到了他說這個780億的那個第二億那個第二零十億備金因為現在貴院有先行動資718億這個是屬於新興計劃的部分但是沒有包括第一預備金和第二預備金還有災害準備金170億的部分 |
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那所以這個部分沒有辦法動之會影響將來如果有各縣市有災害那我們沒有辦法動之災害準備金而且現在五月到了汛期已經到了有一些的一個防災一個作為或措施必須先行進行也沒有相關的一個經會可以做因應那所以這個部分將來如果災害發生 |
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| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
6135.927 |
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那沒有辦法動資災害準備金那這個部分對整個總預算對中央來講對各縣市他是沒有辦法進行補助那怎麼辦呢這個興起來臨的我跟你講這個下雨就是這個大雨來了你這真的就是說整個災情你擋不住的話那你沒有第一倍用第一倍第一億備金第二億備金還有你的災害準備金這個170億那你還是要照動啊 |
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像台中非洲豬瘟它一直都是動第二預備金那第二預備金這個部分如果沒有動它對於整個一個將來一個非洲豬瘟的一個防疫也有很大的一個影響是啊所以說延續性啊你這一個就是整體來講的話事實上這個非洲豬瘟這個議題沒有解決它是橫在那個地方 |
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你到底是不是就是說整體的你是不是要那個禁掉了就是說可以用噴漆地或是不能用噴漆地這個問題都一樣沒有解決那怎麼辦呢跟委員報告因為新增計畫有1017億那可以動之是718億那裡面有299億那299億包括軌道那軌道裡面有台南的 |
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鐵路地下化還有一個花蓮的一個花東雙軌的一個計畫還有包括那個這些還有一個延續性的一個計畫1805億包括還有那個所謂的剛剛170億的一個預備金所以總共這些合起來有2274億是不能動之所以對整個一個總預算的影響是很大 |
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而且等於說你718億其實是先行動之但是他並不是三讀通過所以將來如果還是有預算被刪除那對行政人員來講這個恐懼涉及到違法因為你支出的一個機會將來是收不回來了以上一個說明 |
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是我想主席講這個史無前例史無前例所以在執行上有面臨到了這麼大的一個困難那剛才秉瑞召委就是跟你們建議說你們甚至應該就是每個禮拜每個禮拜都應該開這樣的一個記者會因為這樣的一個記者會其實 |
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當然就是說效果大不大或許也不大可是起碼起碼你們不斷的在提醒不斷的在提醒那我再講好造成了行政跟審計作業的一個困難這個大家已經都面臨到了那我們就先來講這個掃紙化這掃紙化你看喔這個 |
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沒有好的這個孕育的一個體制來支持我們整個國家這些年輕人是不是敢生小孩這個是一個面臨到一個很大的一個問題其實我們的少子化已經面臨到一個 |
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崩盤式 人口斷崖式的一個問題了那我們該怎麼辦呢我們要鼓勵適當的年紀的年輕人來生意的時候有沒有辦法減輕他們對於小孩子的照顧 |
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他們的時間上的一個負擔還有就是社會居住的一個公益這個其實都是要有一個具體的一個那個政策面出來可是問題就是說你現在編列的預算你也不敢用然後用了以後也不知道將來會是面臨到什麼樣的一個狀況那我就是請問就是主席總長跟沈機長你們怎麼看待這個問題那沈機長你先回答我這個問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
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少子化的一個問題委員關心這個少子化這個少子化已經造成國安問題今年114年才生了10萬人他那個總生意率算起來才0.7這個已經越來越嚴重所以這個部分我們對這個對少子化的問題我們連續查了4年 |
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我們也提出了一些看法像說因為我們都是婚生子女婚生子女你一定要結婚但是現在結婚率士林的結婚率只有5%所以很多的事情要考慮到源頭 |
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所以現在政府也有推出婚育宅婚和育一起考慮也有推出說第二胎第二胎就是說第二胎要去強化因為他已經結婚了盡量來強化第二胎最主要的根源就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
6425.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
有一個問題 高房價我們的房價很高 但是政府現在有一些住宅政策啦也推出了租金補貼 也推出了秀宅也推出了陳經理長 我想你也非常清楚的看到了掃紙化真正的存在的一個議題啦你現在看到了就是說在推影片上頭我用台灣 日本跟德國就是說在現有的這個 |
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6443.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
生小孩子的那個就是育兒津貼補助還有就是說托育的一個服務會用那還有甚至就是說在那個新知的幾戶跟那個所有的社會福利上頭看起來是德國最好 |
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6444.224 |
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6463.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
他從0歲到18歲他每個月就是給孩子一個孩子就是9000塊的台幣這個比就是說你一開始一胎10萬塊還是日本的日本其實也大概是一胎10萬塊那有沒有機會朝著這個面向來做 |
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6466.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
6489.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
這個就是在未來的一個目標啦當然就是說你們現有狀況跟今天今天的這個問題就大家面臨到今天大家坐下來討論的這個議題又有點不一樣了因為我們也擔心就是說中東的地研政治引發的能演成本的一個問題造成就是說我們今天主計跟審計都不知道該怎麼樣來面對就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
6516.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
在藍白就是提出這樣子的一個表決這樣的一個計畫這個其實都是連我們都不知道怎麼監督你們連我們都不知道怎麼監督你們這個是變成是一個國家國家一個非常重要的一個議題啦那我想就是少子化少子化的一個那個未來的規劃還是沈記長你這邊要多用心啦 |
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6517.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
6535.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
剛剛委員提到的那個國際上是一個借鏡像韓國現在有上來這是一個委員剛剛提的那個很好因為這個要想方設法要多方啊多元來處理這個少組化的問題這個對我們以後的整個國安啊或整個經濟的成長會很多謝謝委員關心這個問題 |
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6539.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
6553.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我想中東戰爭把我們大家其實在整個全世界大家都進入到一個非常恐慌的一個氛圍在這裡我想請教主席總長如果這樣再持續再持續就是說 |
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6554.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
6574.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
持續的一個戰爭下去的話 我們的油價每桶升到100塊的美元那這樣子的一個方式 我們的中油跟台電勢必要虧損這虧損 我們持續這樣給它算 如果是半年的話 中油要虧損1100億 |
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6577.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
6600.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
那台電要300到800億,這個因為算不出來,大概是一個初估值那我們也知道說,中油跟台電都是大概都是接近98%的那個供應的那個公司那像這樣子的話,若暫時持續超過半年的話,若是 |
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6601.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
6630.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
演變成未來財政上的一個漏洞還是結構性的一個調漲的壓力的時候主委長怎麼辦針對這個部分因為戰爭而負的政治責任是動漲這個部分導致的一個損失按照道理我們是應該要增資這些公司或給他一個補貼那這個部分我們是希望說對他來增資那目前呢 |
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6630.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
6631.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
所以你會直接就是那個就是編列的那個就是補貼了 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
6653.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
6673.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
因為他有提報三年要增資3500億的一個計畫到經濟部所以這個部分呢包括中友包括台電這個部我們也希望說貴委員會的委員能夠全力來支持以上那你會主動協助我們也會主動協助因為他負有一些政策的一個任務那當然是一定要主動協助了謝謝兩位謝謝 |
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下一位請劉書斌委員質詢主席好 那有請主計長和沈計長上台 謝謝請陳主計長跟陳沈計長委員好 |
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主席長好 沈記長好我們來瞭解 去年的時候立法院修法提高了軍人的待遇跟警校退休的所得替代率但是行政院卻沒有編預算這總共都超過有20萬的警校能夠受益這個法是在4月27號去年的時候生效是一件好事 但是我們可以看到在行政院他沒有編列預算 最終是他沒有編了差額 |
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那這個差額當中如果以的是警政二階來看的話114年那一個月的差額就達到了5000元那每新增一年這個差距就會更大了那主計長我們就當要詢問是說到底是部會他沒有去提出來包括是國防部還有內政部等或者是權敘部等他沒有提這樣的一個概算的概算跟預算的需求還是 |
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還是他們提了但是你們把他刻意忽略掉了那這部分還是說府院有高層下定跟你們講不要去編列請主席長您清楚的在這個地方跟國人說清楚 |
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事實上按照道理如果說要提出一個支出的一個需求應該要先尋求行政院的一個同意籌託裁員這個部分那第二個因為他整個一個軍人加薪的部分他是破壞整個公務人員整個薪給的一個制度造成公務人員他整個薪階的一個不平衡所以這個整個制度破壞對於所以你的意思是說 |
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主席 您的意思是說行政院因為前述的原因所以他就下令不准部會們跟全序部部會們他們提出的概算需求嗎不是 我再說明一下因為這個變成是說另外一個就是說 |
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他整個一個退休制度的一個改變對將來整個一個退休薪金的影響非常他整個一個帳戶的影響非常大所以這個部分呢我們是有提視線所以我們還是等可是視線結果這就是你們問大的問題了 |
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行政院是行政機關市縣還沒有結果出現的時候那是司法機關的責任在這個地方你們自己把它當作在市縣也沒有作出暫時處分你們卻把它當作是這個地方就不處理就是不編列這地方的確是違法失職啊不是嗎 |
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再次要說得清楚行政院已經僭越了自己的職責跑到他們職責 僭越了司法院職責這個地方僭越了 他才是真正在違憲的呢 |
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因為行政院他只能做行政院的部分他依法行政他就是立法院通過的他沒有做出他就說事先解釋沒有暫時處分就是不應該就是你們應該做依法行政你們自己違法的違憲的你們還在講那麼大話等事先的處分這是不可以的就是在講這邊我就是跟大家講出來所以你剛才已經講了是行政院的部會沒有提出來但這段是因為總統給下令的地方要等 |
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司法院、憲法法院的違憲判決所以這個結果就是這樣的情況那這邊我再跟大家講現在在這邊我們現在已經知道了目前的現在115年的部分呢就也有相關的也有相關的這個退府人員這個警校這邊要退休這邊呢應該看起來就是說因為我們民眾黨也幫了警校人員去做集體訴訟那我們現在看看是說今年馬上要遇到的是如果五六月份在編 |
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下一年度的預算行政警消人員的退伏的這個基金的部分的要撥補政府應該撥補的部分的話請問主席長你今年五六月份如果還沒有出來結果你們會怎麼辦你們會編嗎我們還是會視線的一個結果來編列 |
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好 你們違法違憲的方式就繼續呈現而且呢根據我們現在上次有問到全序部的施能傑部長他已經說了這部分因為 |
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每個月欠該退休的人員以這樣的中士警察的中士階的這部分來講一個月五千元他已經有了這個審定書這退休審定書就已經可以做訴訟之後就到時候如果被行政訴訟行政法院如果被打臉就判決是政府應該要被強制執行他去撥補這些錢的話那真的是對行政院最大的打臉了我是提醒你們要應該知道行政院不能夠僭越違憲 |
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權力分立的原則 創造司法院的司法權這才是你們該做的 趕快去編入已經有記錄出來了 這部分已經做訴訟了這樣有結果出來 你們就是會被打臉的狀況好 我們繼續往下看喔 抱歉再往上看好 那繼續看一下 我想要問的是沈記長沈記長 針對 |
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剛才所說的行政院的部會或是全序部他不編政府應該因為在立法院通過的法律三讀通過公布之後他不編列政府的法定應撥補治退府基金的預算的行為陳記長 陳記長有沒有權利要求行政機關去改善如果有的話方法是什麼謝謝委員關心這個問題 |
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這一個部分 預算的編制權在行政院預算的審議權在立法院我們審計部是結算的審定這一個部分 因為要通過一個法令如果重大輸出 可能要協商一下在預算法裡面 需要協商一下行政單位 |
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那我們損棄部的立場因為這個法案已經公布了我們會在審查年度結算的時候來評估看看這一個部分會給行政院或相關單位一些建議 |
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好 我們到審計部決算 不過還要等到大概一年之後嘛 對不對好 再看好 那我們繼續往下看喔這個地方就是這個藐視國會的這個行政院的部分的確要把它改進喔那我們繼續往下看下一個問題喔主計處您在二月份的時候呢公告了實質薪資這個月薪資到達4.8萬這樣的一個消息喔但是呢我們看到這個標題是非常的亮眼喔那月薪又突破多少是看起來蠻好的喔 |
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但是這樣26年最大的漲幅其實有7成多的受僱員工他們的薪資根本就領不到平均數所以當你在公布這部分的資料的時候其實這7成員工他們心在糖血他們認為說他們是被成長的一群那你有沒有看到這個平均薪資跟經常薪資的這個差距有在縮小其實可能沒有或是請主席講你有沒有預警到在行政院院會當中有去預警到這個低薪跟中產階級貧窮化的問題嗎 |
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我們也有公布所謂的一個薪資的中位數那這個部分其實我們今年總薪資是成長3.9也高過我們的一個物價指數2.21所以這個本身我們包括經濟成長和薪資成長是都有在成長只是說它行業別也各有都不同 |
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那我們這些也都有公佈按照行業別您公佈之後主計長您公佈之後那你們提出剛才我所說的這些有些行業別其實真的是七成以下七成左右他們是在這個平均數字下的你們把這個意見跟行政院講他們應該就針對部分就怎麼樣不是把像什麼AI的產業啊都是變成是最高的然後就變成說在帶動可是其他人都哀嚎啊有把這個意見反映出去嗎 |
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是所以我們整個一個基本的薪資他也不斷在調整也就是為了讓這種的一個差距縮小所以我們薪資調整你還是沒有說到方法我們基本工資也做調整然後也鼓勵各鼓勵獲利的一個公司能夠盡量把盈餘做分配給同仁做為薪資所以這個部分有 |
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各項的一個優惠基本工資只有3萬塊錢而已3萬塊錢而已但是現在你平均數你說達到4萬多根本就是沒辦法達到這差距實在很大主席你們這邊是不是能夠給報告說把你們當初給行政院的部分給本期一個報告是是是我們再補充 |
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補充資料給委員一個禮拜之內是那我們繼續再看看其實我們更擔心的是這一個所增加的幅度其實是因為加班而造成的剛才說電子業的加班時數它其實高達說13.8%那製造業有高達10% |
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那整個情況之下呢就會造成說其實他是因為他平均的薪資不足他才用透過加班的薪資加班的方式而且剛剛您說的喔他所增長的這樣的一個薪資喔事實上的漲幅跟他們加班的這個時數的漲幅呢是不成比例啦13.88成長才4% |
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跟委員報告其實他加班是因為AI的景氣那帶動那個所謂的一個製造業也跟著好所以是因為景氣好而增加的一個加班他並不是說因為薪資低的加班所以你整個的情況就是我們的發展通通集中在 |
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AI跟相關產業嘛高科技的產業這部分其他的我們的零售業我們傳統的部分都是受害者啊這部分傳產也有增加只是它增加的弧度沒有AI的模特兒那沒關係你如果這樣講沒問題但是你知道嗎 |
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平均以加班加工那個電子業的時候呢他們平均呢一個月要增加27個小時等於說他平均呢他一週是工作6天當然這種6天的情況他怎麼可能去生小孩他怎麼可能去有時間去照顧小孩所以這個地方呢行政院是罪魁禍首啊這部分讓如果新資的這部分能夠合理的去平均的話這才是對我們最大的幫助啊 |
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那這個主席再等我大概一分鐘結束就好了我想那個蘇檳委員是不是請那個主計長他把你要的資料書面答覆給你好不好那我再提出一個問題就好就是把問題就好那你才可以給我資料好不好就是這樣就講出話就好了 |
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就是呢我們剛才看到的是現在已經在那個美伊戰爭嘛那這邊看到的是原油是非常重要的那這個CPI的預測會多少如果戰爭長達半年或一年有沒有相關配套措施有沒有跟其他部位事情這部分那是不是就請主計長你這邊之後在大概一個禮拜之內給報告 |
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是 我們大概三四月的油價都已經有調整好那五月以後也目前在努力當中那我們行政院有一個物價穩定小組包括中油 包括台電都會互相來做一個整個一個做調節的作用 益智雙長好 給報告就好了 謝謝主席長 謝謝沈議長謝謝蘇冰委員 接著我們請顏寬恆委員質詢 |
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那主席在這裡那個報告一下 嚴委員諮詢完了以後我們休息十分鐘主席各位立席官員大家好 主席有請主計處陳主計長陳主計長 |
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委員好主委長早美國聯邦最高法院上個月才定川普的對等關稅政策違法那美國貿易代表格雷爾又在11日宣布 |
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美國貿易代表署將依據《1974年貿易法》第301條針對包括台灣在內的16個經濟體啟動貿易調查就半導體、鋼鐵等產能過剩的這些產業啟動調查最快今年夏天就會加徵關稅 |
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那目前大家最關心的中東戰火問題美國跟以色列聯手空襲伊朗那伊朗也展開報復行動戰事更是擴及到中東地區的其他國家那也導致國際油價一度飆漲更是創四年新高 |
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同時也帶動食品跟糧食價格飆漲引發市場擔憂除了擔心中東戰勢升溫也恐怕會出現通膨通膨升高經濟成長這個節緩及停滯性通膨的問題 |
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美國最新公布的數據就出現潛在的停滯性通膨這個警訊那許多雇主在2月無預警的裁員失業率已經有這個升高的趨勢那請問主席總書有沒有 |
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先評估未來可能因為301條關稅加深又加上中東再次對我國經濟會造成什麼樣的衝擊我國會不會也因為因此而面臨停滯性通膨的問題主委長 |
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我再跟委員報告就是第一個戰爭的部分我們這樣當初在初估115年經濟成長7.71的時候那時候這個部分是還沒有納入但是問題這個部分我們也把它納入了 |
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那至於232關稅的一個因為我們有跟美國訂定MOU 包括ART的一個所以它對我們的影響相關並不大因為我們大概有七成大部分都是屬於優惠的一個稅率那現在就是說 |
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我們有關石油的一個上漲對我們經濟成長的一個影響因為我們三四月都已經這個部分需求都已經調整好那五月的部分也正在努力那台電中油呢這個部分呢如果因為政策抑制上漲這個部分它所導致的一個損失呢它有提出相關要增資的一個需求那我們也會來協助解決那所以這個本身呢我們整個一個 |
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GDP的整個一個預估大部分是預計在5月或做一個修正那修正的部分在看整個中東局勢還有包括整個美國關稅的一個影響的情形還有各項CPI整個影響來做一個調整 |
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那再來這裡就是說本身CPI的部分我們是每個月都會公佈CPI的一個影響那目前我們是油電都雙億億漲 包括 |
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天然氣的部分也是議長那這一個部分是由台電和中油來運作然後行政院也有一個一個物價物價抑制小組這個本身他也有在做一個運作所以針對民生的一個整項我們都在一個預估調整當中好主委長謝謝那你剛剛有提到沒關係等一下我再請教那根據新聞報導 |
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海峽實質上遭到封鎖引發全球能源危機昨天週日晚間國際油價已經噴漲至每桶106美元漲幅高達45%就算美國及其他盟友釋放史上最大規模的戰略儲備原油 |
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遠遠不足以解決由戰爭所引發的原油供應中斷的問題所以不只是油價那我們台灣進口的液化天然氣有四分之一來自卡達但台灣天然氣儲存量只有11天這大家都知道那如果情勢惡化供應出現干擾那能源價格跟供應風險都同時升高那這種情況之下無論是油價還是天然氣進口物價上漲的壓力都會一直增加 |
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那我想請教主席講目前對於戰事可能導致這個能源價格上漲的風險就像你剛剛提到說中野會虧多少那這個台隊會虧多少那除了這樣子的評估之外還有你剛剛提到說在那個GDP當時並沒有納入中東戰事的一個情況所以你這個也要重估嘛所以勢必一定要重估那這個 |
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現在國際營業每桶都超過100元現在100元以下幾乎是不太可能短期也不會有看到它下降所以對於今年物價跟經濟成長的這樣子的一個跟當初你們初估的時候要做一個全新重新的整理要不要 |
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要 所以我們在5月我們會重新初估那坦白說100美元就是說如果石油漲到100美元大概上漲70%它對經濟成長率的影響是3月9號的時候跳到119 |
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所以差不多將近80%左右那就會影響將近9%左右對CPI的影響也將近1.7%多所以這個部分兩個的一個影響如果說是到時候控制不住的部分或者是說台電終有沒有辦法 |
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針對這一個來做協助那我們是盡量希望台電中油把這吸收下來不要去影響到人民的一個物價那整個部分台電中油再由我們來協助解決對啦因為從能源價格啊這些電價啊電價上漲的壓力還有物價上漲還有市場的變化對這些東西我想中東戰這個中東戰事會情況會怎麼樣沒有人可以預估沒有人預估是那我想這個部分 |
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所帶來的影響非常大,包括我們天然氣的部分,我們都是依靠進口那如果斷氣了怎麼辦?那經濟部長他說,如果暫時拖到4月,他不排除要全面開啟煤炭,就是我們的燃煤發電 |
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因為重啟他沒發現 這是他的最後手段嘛 對不對所以在進行物價跟通膨的預測的時候一定要把這些最重要這些因素全部納入因為現在已經跟當初預估的情況是完全不同那我想還有就是說如果電價真的漲上來那民眾這個消費者還有我想是沒有辦法預期沒辦法接受啦 |
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因為時間有限 主要就是說這個戰爭已經實質影響人民的生活再加上所有能源 這樣子一個價格的變化包括我們中油我們的統裝瓦斯因為中油在三月份的時候有宣告不漲價因為中油有政府的補助 |
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但是台塑化的部分他已經搶先宣布調漲瓦斯的價格,同宗瓦斯每公斤0.6元其實現在已經這些我們看到的這些夜市攤販還有這些店鋪吃不消就算中有宣布不漲 |
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這也是臨時的這個短暫的嘛你不可能全年嘛或者說連續嘛如果能這麼做也好但是問題是說做不到那這些供給不足這樣子的一個情況然後這一波的漲勢沒有看到它的一個什麼時候會好轉的方向所以我想要請教主計長政府所謂的價格監控機制實質上能夠發揮到什麼樣的效果當我們民生的能源成本 |
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因為國際情勢上漲的時候除了監控之外除了補貼之外我們有什麼措施可以避免物價上漲持續被推高簡單回答就好了我們是經濟部他本身就像剛剛講的他會把他一個沒有燃煤的一個部分他會重新開放那第二個他也會補助中油和台電 |
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那這些是去減少說漲幅然後整個那個第三個呢他本身在供貨的部分他也會盡量去協調說讓他能夠順利所以這方面是涉及到各方面各面所以這個部分我們會緊急來盯緊各項的一個變化來做整個一個調整 |
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就是要提前做好各項經濟風險的一個評估跟準備那能夠盡量維持國內的經濟穩定的發展 好不好好 謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝好 謝謝坤衡委員那個嚴委員邀請大家4月第3個禮拜4月17到4月28 |
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謝謝我們休息十分鐘 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好 那接著請羅明財委員質詢主席各位 處理的習慣 大家好主席 可不可以請陳主席長好 主席長陳省記長省記長 |
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兩位總統好本行向來最關心的就是市井小民的生活的問題過去誠心向主計總署也請教過蚵仔麵線滷肉飯還有市民最重要的國民小吃滷肉飯最近的價格浮動怎麼樣 |
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差不多40到50跟前年比起來好像又漲了很多以前是30那面對這樣的情況當油價上漲超過100塊的時候竹氣廠你擔不擔心是 我們這個部分在物價穩定小組裡面就會針對這個來做討論 |
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油價一漲萬物齊漲香港衛生紙才短短一個禮拜漲幅高達20%請教一下竹記長台灣現在目前的油價情況動漲或者是緩漲的情況可以撐多久 |
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至少可以撐到四月啦因為目前三四月經濟部都說沒有問題那台電中油也認為這個是OK所以這個部分在動漲方面是OK的那現在五月我們也正在努力然後經濟部他也說如果這個天然氣或者是這個部分沒有辦法供應他在每一方面他會優先來做一個開花以上所以三月四月份國人無需擔心那問題就來了那 |
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5月6月以後怎麼辦所以我們必須要整個景町這整個變化然後再做一個因應好5月6月光陰事件日月如梭一下子到了8月以後怎麼辦 |
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是它是整個的部分經濟部它會研擬相關的一個措施那中油台電包括台水它都會介入所以整個部分這個整個是會做整體來一個研擬經濟部在這方面會做研擬所以供車票會不會漲這要看當時到時候的情形計程車會不會漲這都必須要看變化的情形高鐵會不會漲 |
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最近啊 航空啊 已經開始在那邊航價要漲兩到三成你有沒有注意這樣的情況 |
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所以這個部分我們在物價穩定小組針對每一項都會做深入的一個討論然後有些哪些樣一個一個整個讓它意志長的一個措施要怎麼樣來採行這個本身在行政院都有一個深入的一個討論 |
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我們過去都講當經濟成長的時候希望全民共享去年的經濟成長率本來預測是3.45%左右後來去年的經濟成長率是多少去年是8.68%8.68%很棒可是我們深入的了解發現 |
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其實所有的傳產大概接近以上市上櫃公司來說60%是低於20年平均線換言之百工百業沒有獲得經濟成長的果實真正賺的真正得到企業高成長的是什麼 |
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當然是製通產業啦但是它相關它也連帶帶動相關的一個產業的一個上有原料的一個生產喔啊譬如說它擴充廠房啊也增添設備也帶動建材啊 金屬這些的一個成長包括整個製造業的成長都也還不錯對 那個都恭喜啦稍微一點點而已啦不多啦 |
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真正顯著讓我們看得到的就是半導體以及AI周邊大概就是台灣45家比較大間的公司周邊的電源效果就比較差一點所以在這個艱困的時刻本席要主張為所有的小老百姓為所有的百工百業來著想 |
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去年經濟成長那麼多 今年經濟的成長率多少我們是預估7.71 但是當初在預估的時候是還沒有中東戰事的一個發生所以這個部分中東戰事的發生我們在五月的時候我們再做一個修正就整個一個變化做一個修正 |
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是 主席長 我們大致可以看出來如果船長只有3.1%來說大概有4.5 5%以上都還是回歸到半導體跟那個周邊這是一個全世界的趨勢那你可不可以有什麼辦法在緊急的這個時刻拿出來震災拿出來幫助這些比較弱勢的團體 |
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包括高齡者身心障礙者還有有一些疾病的或者一些單親家庭有失業的或是職業傷害等等的這些需要社會福利救助的這一群他們口袋的薪水通通沒有增加但是生活的壓力一天比一天越來越強政府這時候應該要出手了 |
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我跟委員報告事實上六大福利津貼有在運作說要調整大概23%但是這個部分必須要透過追加減預算來運作 |
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但是因為我們總預算一直還沒有審查所以我們希望貴院能夠趕快來審查我們115年度的總預算審查通過之後呢包括災害準備金第二預備金還有第一預備金這些都能夠動之針對災害我們能夠有所運用第二個我們也可以在總預算之後我們辦追加減預算就是有關六大生活津貼的一個調整 |
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那包括國民年金的一個調整包括老農津貼的一個調整對於剛剛所講的這些弱勢族群這些社福機構等等本席舉雙手贊成你馬上送過來我就准啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9121.047 |
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你就現在送給我下一分鐘我就馬上支持你也不必說等全部每次等來等去等到天荒地老你113個立委你先拿過來我馬上就准我該簽了簽了所以這一點你無需擔心那你還有其他的委員你可以一一去說服 |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
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我就是大力要支持這些弱勢族群我是要支持青年族群這本來就是我應該要去爭取的那另外再來講一下今年的話大概稅率會有多少兩兆八千多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9154.581 |
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那這兩兆八千多有沒有辦法照顧我剛剛所講的以及因應這些可能物價即將要調漲 石油要調漲 油電水氣要調漲 |
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你們還有沒有其他的錢 夠不夠來贈債 夠不夠來平抑這些物價因為115年就舉債2992億啦所以這是2兆8的一個稅入 和3兆350億的一個稅住這所舉債的一個那個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
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那現在如果說還要再追加的部分那還要再就是說那個所謂的那個韌性戰力韌性戰力的一個特別預算的部分所以這些都必須要增加主委長 這樣啦齁你這樣想來想去都是還是覺得很那個欠缺啦那邊都是不夠啦本市齁報一條比較長的給你稍微比方的啦台積電 |
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9235.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
中華民國持有幾%的股份大概有幾張?成本是多少?台積電它是在國發會啦國發會 也一樣啦 那都你們管得到它是有持有16億股的一個16億股 幾張?16億股 160萬張不然你因應這些你算算啊如果需要3000億 5000億你算一下嘛台積電 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9260.949 |
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賣個兩萬張有多少他每一年繳付一百億對啦我說賣個兩萬張會有多少因為當初的成本現在拉下來都很低有沒有可能考慮現在台積電股價也蠻高的考不考慮賣出台積電來充實這一次的賑災將來基金運作就沒有錢了 |
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基金運作就沒有錢了20年前的話他才不到一兆現在已經有的話快三兆多了怎麼會很沒錢呢這有點殺雞取卵啦不會啊當初你們500塊的時候要賣出台積電是本席在立法院說要求不要賣你調資料出來看啊 |
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我要求他們要不要賣 他們說 那個委員我們就不賣所以 當初到現在 現在台積電到底算不算是高點啊聽說還會再更高那萬一沒有更高咧 |
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其實就算再更高我們有160幾萬張我們賣出是要來幫助所有全國需要幫助的國民另外還有一個我們不能只有一個護國神山我們要在這個階段來找第二個護國神山第三個護國神山我們才能長長久久就跟本席當初在這裡建議央行沈記長也在 |
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建議央行總裁在每盎司黃金1250塊的時候要大膽買進1000億陳局長有沒有買黃金是央行最重要的準備啦所以大概這個問題應該央行都有在控制中有沒有買大概他會少量除息買進沒有 他沒有買 |
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我的意思是說當初如果有買一千億現在的市值就是多一千億所以我希望說我們政府機關各單位可以靈活的來 |
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考量大家一起努力啊 度過艱困的環境 好不好好 謝謝 謝謝明財委員我想那個 沈記長 這個明財委員的這個建議非常的珍貴參考一下 多少參考一下 謝謝來 接著請李坤城委員 坤城委員謝謝主席 我們請主席長 |
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主席長主席長好辛苦了那本席我看你今天所貼出來的報告但是這個報告我覺得這個主席長好像還是非常的熱觀這個對於這個今年的這個GDP的成長率還是估算有7.71% |
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但是呢 因為這個報告應該是這幾天才提出來的但是我看一下 主席你沒有把說美國現在在打伊朗嘛然後中東戰爭時有了危機那也不知道哪時候會結束然後呢 現在就是說因為美國的這個對等關稅已經被撤銷了那我們現在跟他重新再談判然後呢 他又重啟這個301的調查 |
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這些都是一些不穩定的因素但是我看這個主計長的這個報告裡面都沒有把這些不確定的這一些甚至是負面的因素把它加進去那請問一下主計長這個今年對於這個GDP的成長率還是有這麼高的樂觀的7.71%的這一個預估嗎甚至這個人均GDP有到44,181美元然後呢消費者物價指數CPI呢還是處在這個2%以下的這個溫和區1.68還有這麼樂觀嗎 |
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我跟委員報告,事實上我們去年經濟成長也很好,8.68%那今年7.71%在那個高成長之下,要再這麼高但是問題是我們的一月份它的出口就非常的暢旺它整個成長對,一月份二月份其實都沒有我剛才講的那些因素嘛對不對 |
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所以到二月底才發生所以我們在二月中旬的時候初估的部分就是7.71到二月底的時候中東戰事開始發生的時候所以這個部分影響到我們的部分當然是油價油價的一個上升那我們剛剛也提到油價上升百分之十會影響到我們GDP0.1的一個部分那如果成長一倍那就會往上再去加深 |
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那本身還有一個物價的部分所以那時候算油價是 每桶是多少錢一千五十八塊那現在已經double了吧現在是719塊 差不多幾乎是一倍嘛所以等於是說可能會成長一倍然後包括我們的物價那我們的物價也是大概成長10%會有0.24%這樣的一個所以我們目前但是問題是說我們行政院在 |
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整個一個物價穩定小組對我知道我做了這些努力所以三四月目前天然氣石油都有台電中油還有一些台水相關的公司都有吸收所以這個部分我們以後就做針對這個因為政策因素而需要做賠償的部分我們損失的部分我們來做補貼或包括增資所以這個部分我希望讓民生的物價能夠穩定 |
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這都是政府穩定物價的措施那我只是問主計長還對7.71的經濟成長率還要保持這麼樂觀的態度嗎因為我剛才講這些變數都持續在進行當中持續當中我跟委員報告我們物價指數是每個月修正每個月會公佈物價指數然後每三個月會公佈我們的 |
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一定會受到影響的吧 |
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無可厚非的 對啊但是受到怎麼個影響還要看我們整個一個制度的一個我們整個相關措施的一個進行一個是可稱是在我們的部分那現在政府有做了一些油電的一些穩定的措施至少到四月份為止嘛 是 |
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那但是我們不知道說戰爭何時會結束那油價一直在漲那另外就是說就是說我們這個美國的這個301調查也不知道調查情況是怎麼樣那我們跟這個美國關稅的這個談判情況是不是能維持過去所談好的這個15%不疊加這都還不確定那所以呢其實主席處這個應該要戒慎恐懼不是說這麼的樂觀還是維持在這麼高的一個經濟成長率啊 |
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我要跟委員報告其實我們的一個評估都是比較保守因為以往有喔 去年是很保守啦後來一下拉到8點多啊但是今年我看好像又比較樂觀了一點點今年7.71其實目前也是保守的一個只是因為這還是保守的估計喔因為我看你的新聞稿是說還會再上揚 |
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不過那是二月份啦對 但是因為我們的評估都是偏向保守的那除了這個戰爭的部分的因素之外那這個部分我們在談到的就是整個你說關稅的一個部分其實301的一個我們因為已經跟美國有已經簽訂ART包括MOU所以他對我的影響並不是那麼大 |
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9739.498 |
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這個當然我們是希望說能夠維持15%不抵價我們就會盡量能夠維持這個是我們的期待但是美方是不是能夠按照我們期待這是另外一回事所以我說這是一個這是一個變數啦這是一個變數我當然是期待就是說還是維持按照我們之前跟美所 |
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美國所談定的這個關稅的一些內容只是說這些黑天鵝都在啊但是我是看這個主協處交給我們的報告還是維持這麼樂觀的一個數字啦所以本其實是 公尋的報告對啊沒有啦我是說你現在是跟我們這個參委會做這個業務報告嘛理論上應該是提供一些比較新的一些數據然後呢把這些變數把它加進去那或許呢會受到這些影響這民眾會比較會比較關心這一部分啦是是 |
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就是說像現在這個大家很關心說這個物價可能會受到這些影響 回復會上升那現在有媒體在講說 台塑他們有提到說這個石化下游的一些基礎的原料 比如說PE PP還有PPC受到這個中斷的一個風險 |
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所以包含塑膠袋、各類的包材、民生基礎、工業的物資可能成本會上漲那這些上漲會影響到什麼呢?會影響到我們的手搖飲業因為手搖飲業有很多的塑膠杯、吸管是會受到影響的然後小吃攤的塑膠袋,據說媒體的報導,塑膠袋單價也都提高了 |
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那整個這個對於我剛才所提到的不論是手搖飲小市攤甚至我們的網購跟物料都會受到影響價格都會提高這個都是跟民生息息相關的我不曉得說主計走出這邊有沒有去關心或是去了解現在這個民生物價受到的波動 |
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跟委員報告,我們物價的部分,我們是每個月都要公佈它整個的一個物價的指數,每個月所以我是針對就是說,因為現在石油的問題嘛那我已經想到說,這些有可能這些小吃業者或是手搖飲業者這些會受到影響,你們有沒有去關心要了解,特別針對這個石油會造成他們的成本提升這部分 |
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是有關他們這個成本會提升的部分我們會把這個反進運到一個我們行政院的物價小組穩定小組裡面來討論那譬如說經濟部要針對哪些中小的一個產業必須要做一個扶持或者是說小資業的一個部要怎樣來一個補助這個部分就會由經濟部來研擬相關的一個對策 |
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那這個有納進去你們所謂這個什麼民生的一些核心的調查物價指數有涵蓋在這裡面嗎我們整個我們整個會把這個我們還是會提報啦還是會提報讓上面來了解就是說因為石油會漲到哪的時候我們不知道我們當然希望說戰事很快就確定那戰事看起來 |
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伊朗還是有一些反擊的能力那荷姆斯海峽還是這一個有要運出來還是會有一些問題所以民生物資多少會受到影響那這些都是跟我們民眾息息相關的我希望說主計總署這方面能夠多去了解一下提供給上面來做參考好那現在就是說立法院他們有通過這個718億的這一個新興的預算可以動之 |
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那現在就是說有雖然這個是不合常規的這個預算的審查的一個狀態啦那在這部分的話那718億就是先動資就對了是我們已經簽願要來動資那但是我們今年的預算是3兆嘛是不是3兆350億3兆350億那他只動資了這個718億 |
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動資不到一趴吧是 所以還有包括因為這是新增預算的部分新增預算還有299億沒有通過然後那個比去年預算還要增加的部分有1805億也還沒有通過那再來就是我們的第一預備金還有第二預備金還有栽準金總共有170億沒有通過所以總共有2274億元沒有通過 |
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那請教一下,雖然說原來這個計畫可以再延續再來做使用但是萬一真的立法院有來審查今年度的總運算,現在已經是快三月底了 |
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本來是按照原定的計畫跟預算大家也在用的比如說前面可能用了三分之一或四分之一結果立法院真的審預算了這個預算就把你砍掉了二分之一砍掉了三分之一這種情況有可能發生啊那就變成公務員說你不是可以按照原來的計畫來做嗎我按照原來的計畫來做結果你給我砍了三分之一砍了四分之一造成我原來的計畫受到影響了違反規定 |
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對啊 那公務員怎麼辦 現在到底做還是不做所以這個就是讓公務人員很為懶的一個地方所以就是它很多的不確定性它跟真正的三讀通過的預算是不一樣的所以本身執行將來有它的後遺症所以公務人員在這方面執行它有很大的一個不確定性對公務人員來講 將來如果被刪除就是違反規定 |
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那怎麼辦如果他認為說這筆預算這個是屬於這個原來的計畫那立法院說在黑黨說原來的計畫我還可以繼續用啊那結果用的情況之下萬一省的預算肯掉了這個原本的這個預算沒有這麼多那公務員要不要負什麼責任啊他維穩規定也是這些要收回啦所以這些要收回對公務人員他的一個壓力非常的大是啊那這個就是說用完了 |
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現在就是說預算原來的計畫聽起來好像可以用但是如果聽這個主席這樣講用起來心裡也是驚驚你也不知道說到底這筆預算是不是不確定性太高不確定說這筆預算是不是能夠按照原來的預算數能夠通過如果能夠按照原來預算通過用起來當然是心安但是這不是三讀的這是按照 |
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預算法的這個規定等於開了一個後門讓大家可以用所以這種不確定性其實對公務員來講是造成很大的壓力但是就計畫超過的部分就沒有辦法那1800億都沒有辦法動謝謝我想主席長你再找個時間跟昆城委員去溝通一下因為這個其實也講不清楚這個其實要跟在來黨溝通啦其實也不用跟我們溝通啦謝謝謝謝昆城委員接著請李燕秀委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
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今天好多委員都非常關心通膨物價的問題你我都是女性我們都對數字都非常敏感包括每天十一住行我們都感受到通膨的問題 |
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雖然從數字上看來 去年114年我們消費指數控制在1.66但是整個通膨的狀況 包括剛才羅賓才委員我們以前四菜一湯可以四個人五個人吃可是我們都發現說現在四菜一湯不是份量變得特別小不然就是各個單品價格變貴了 |
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所以這個是很多民眾都有感的特別是在菜市場買菜的家庭主婦或者是租屋族其實感受對於通膨的體感通膨其實感受是深的主事長你同意我的說法嗎 |
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是 因為它項目它有300多項啦對 那有的是一個月買一次有的是一年買一次沒有 不不不 仔細講我講的是你我大家外食族都感受到的過去可能我們買三菜一湯可能是一千二好了 假設一千二好了我覺得可能夠四五個人吃我們現在發現說可能看起來沒漲價但是份量變小了三四個人吃不飽 |
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要不然就各個單品 剛才羅秘甲委員講說滷肉飯變貴了現在大多是外食族跟租屋族都特別體感通膨的狀況 特別的感受特別的深刻妳同意我的說法嗎 |
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所以就是說帳面上的我們的去年的通膨控制的好像還不錯但是特別是像今年一二月CPI帳目上看起來是呈現收斂的狀況但是卻因為春節的因素所以其實去年的基期偏高所以很多人都會說通膨看起來好像是假象民眾的體感通膨還是非常深刻 |
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譬如說我在今年一月份的時候我就特別質詢了去年十月份店家上漲但是從十一月份開始我們的瓦斯已經連漲三個月也就是每公斤持續上漲了3.15塊其實這個數字我們看起來好像不多連續三個桶裝瓦斯每公斤上漲3.15塊看起來好像不多但是對於做外賣小吃夜市 |
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那個老闆感受都特別深所以相對的我剛才講的外食族他就開始都整個漲上來那今年當然我們變今年變動實在是太多了我們都很多會發生的事情其實我們都想像不到你我都想像不到包括中東的議題包括這個雖然看起來我們去年關稅大戰然後關稅看起來好像定案然後現在又有一波不同的變數你就是說 |
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我覺得我們政府應該要有好幾套劇本雖然這些現狀這些變動的因素都不是我們樂意看到的但是很顯然的面對這些因素我們政府要去想好多不同的劇本過去我們覺得不可能發生的我們都要把所有的狀況想到極致來去做因應你同意然後包括在中東的油價現在也是 |
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賣方的市場雖然說我們現在都說我們跟亞洲其他國家調貨我們中東買不到我們過去跟天然氣跟卡達買20%、35%那個數字我等一下後面會有但是我們跟其他國家調貨也很多人都在搶貨所以還是價格漲還是賣方市場所以價格還是上漲的所以後續整個影響到我們整體台灣通膨的狀況其實還是有 |
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那到底我們今年看起來你們的公佈在ART公佈之後我們今年上升率是1.68但是那是在當時原油的價格我記得當時原油的價格差不多每桶大概在67塊不到70塊嘛對不對那現在已經到今天為止我剛剛查了一下數據長到每公斤長到105到今天原油價格是105塊所以 |
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這個推估你覺得未來還會不會再調整原則上CPI它如果說持有漲10%它就會影響0.24%所以這整個我們依此推估的話今年大概CPI如果這個戰事是持續比較久大概會超過2%但是CPI我們每個月都會做公布我知道所以你也認為它會超過2% |
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我們隨時會做因應會不會超過2.25或2.5這個差距就非常大這個我也不敢講因為我必須要看我們整個每一個月的一個狀況包括他的一個情況 |
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好 我大概懂妳意思我們有了這些數字工具其他的就是各部會的因應策略對不對 我們不能我們要苦民所苦嘛這是我剛剛講政府要好幾套劇本雖然我們現在有在油電的部分我們做動漲的動作但是我們都知道所有的物價的漲幅它不會只有油電的因素而已 |
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包括鋁 糖 尿素包括硫磺等等化肥等等 氦氣等等這些大眾物資也受到戰爭的影響也會影響到我們整個國家各個產業的原物料所有當外食族這些在漲其實其他的貨物也都在漲是的 |
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那這個價格也都在漲所以這個衝擊是非常的大那我們手邊到底我們有哪些工具我們現在可以動漲但是我們也擔心說後面當恢復的時候那個一彈很高就像我們每彈瓦斯一樣那個數字就會非常可怕 |
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我們剛剛也講了就是那個那個中油還有台電它相關天然氣的一個部分呢它在三四月它已經有優先去取得了所以再來就是五月以後的一個數字所以我們整個月就會根據這些各種狀況所以如果這樣子漲下去的話明年我們補貼台電的費用要增加 |
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所以這個部分要請委員來支持我們該支持的合理的不可抗力的因素我們當然會支持政策的因素我們必須支持但是我就回過頭來我要請問沈記長我們去年沈記長我們去年強化韌性的預算到114年底我們編列了2794億 |
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我們累積的實現數字有86億當然有一大部分原因是因為普發現金那普發現金我把它算進去的話大概還有2400億所以我們將近有400億當時我們還沒有用還沒有實現所以在去年其實我們已經有預估到關稅的問題當然還沒有今年中東的戰爭所以 |
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沈記長你對於目前執行的狀況有什麼具體的建議跟規劃的方向嗎其實早在去我們去年114年我們還有400億還沒有花欸但是我們都已經可以遇到包括產業的衝擊包括農業的衝擊雖然最後的關稅還沒談定貿易關稅還沒談定但我們就一直在預估說這個對台灣某一些包括藥品包括農業的衝擊會非常的大所以沈記長你在這一塊 |
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你如何去監督各部會這是我第一個問題好 謝謝委員關心這個韌性的這個部分我們也非常關心大概當時這個韌性特別預算是差不多花三年三年度的預算我知道三年但是我們現在跟時間在跑我們沒有趕快及時及時與沒有去做那些產業的話 |
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他可能很多員工很多產業公司都關門員工就已經解職了所以怎麼還會有400億放在那邊我不應該說不去花應該趕快去跟各部會了解其實去年他們貿易關稅還沒談定的時候我們大家都知道農業是第一波一定會衝擊因為美國那些黃小玉一定是要進來的 |
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早就應該要處理了怎麼還要放400億在那邊不去跟產業各部位怎麼沒有去跟產業做溝通所以沈縣長我要提醒你這個就是要去跟經濟部底下其實我們沈縣部應該要去了解的地方對 我們有開過這個綠茶院藍綠大家共同通過這個版本給你錢你不去趕快我不要講說不去花你應該好好的趕快去執行什麼還會放在那邊我們都在追了 |
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我們現在在追他 那個族行曆只有3% 4%啦這些對現在的一個情況影響得到 我會當同意委員的意見所以我們現在已經專案在追 這個族行曆的問題包括那個普發現金啊 應該已經花過很久了都還沒有來再揭報 造成族行曆不是聽好看的 |
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主席長 沈記長我最後 我不要佔用別人時間其實我認為我們現在很多產業 很多中小企業經營得非常辛苦我們在跟時間賽跑既然立法院大家有共同的共識通過這些任性預算我們應該趕快好好的去花 |
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不會說還有400億放在那邊不去趕快去救急主席想 沈議長你了解我意思那另外最後就是說我們今年我們今年我本來預估經濟成長大概只有三年五十後來因為貿易關稅談定到7.18但是現在 |
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大環境又在變動所以我想問一下主計長我們今年的經濟成長後續還會再調整嗎因為現在面對包括美伊的衝突油價的飆升美國接下來有可能會有停滯通膨的問題那我們還會不會再下修我們現在的經濟成長率 |
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我們是經濟撐拿率是每三個月調整修正我知道我知道還會再下修嗎?我們必須在五月中旬那我們必須看各種狀況來做調整那你認為還會再下修嗎?我現在還沒有辦法去看因為我們一二月整個的一個部分是狀況是還不錯那第二個還必須要看戰爭它是怎麼持續那第三個其實關稅我只是想你不要回答我說 |
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妳還要再看因為其實做政府就要去做很多的預測妳才知道要對症下藥我們有哪些政府的工具可以去救可以去處理妳現在跟我講說妳不知道我覺得這個答案是不及格 |
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你現在來講數據還沒有出來我也沒辦法告訴你說大概是但是你一定是跟院長報告你一定會跟院長報告說數字有可能下修所以我們現在各部會要做什麼事情嗎因為數據還沒有出來啦我知道數據還沒有出來但是你可以去做預估嘛是要預估是要那個所以我現在問你說你預估數字會下修還是會上漲好 謝謝你不要不敢講 |
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好 接著請林思明委員質詢好 謝謝召委我現在請主席長主席長委員好 生日快樂謝謝主席長 OK |
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謝謝 謝謝我進入主題待會到我辦公室吃蛋糕小組長 剛才大家很關心我們近期中東的局勢升高如果這個美伊的戰爭擴大最令我們擔心的就是那個荷姆斯海峽被封鎖這個荷姆斯海峽是全球最重要的能源 |
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的運輸通道全球大約五分之一的石油與天然氣必須經過這條海峽那我國作為海島型的經濟體能源幾乎完全依賴進口所以一旦荷姆斯海峽遭到封鎖的話可能會影響到三個層面第一就是我們能源價格的上漲第二個通膨壓力的上升第三個我們經濟的成長可能會受到拖累 |
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所以面對每一戰爭所造成的能源價格的上漲通膨也會上升 剛才很多委員都有在關心那我國的GDP成長率預估 今年剛才看到很樂觀7.71%水長依照你現在因為這個不可抗力的因素加進來我國今年的經濟成長率還有這麼樂觀嗎預估你會做怎麼樣的一個下修 |
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因為我們CSP業者他預估啊其實還是很樂觀啦就是這一個重點那第二個呢其實我會下修主要會針對石油的部分因為石油的部分他如果增加10%我們是下修0.12%嘛那目前以目前我們當初初估的時候是58那現在如果說將近119的話那是成長將近一倍那一倍的話大概成長將近0.8%到9%左右0.8 |
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那所以這樣子一般的話以這一塊的部分是應該下修因為石油的因素我們就會下修百分之如果是石油的因素的部分這個部分大概會下修這個部分但是其他的部分因為CSP它一直很好而且以一二月的一個狀況出火狀況它還是非常好所以這個狀況就是整個這個第三季所以我說第三季它能修正的也不是很多啦 |
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局長我想你還是要做滾動式的檢討每一戰爭到底什麼時候會結束我們現在也不知道所以我一個一個分析給你聽石油天然氣會影響整個CPI指數的影響百分之十就影響0.24所以預計大概 |
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如果說戰爭持續的話大概影響的部分如果天然氣有進口的部分有問題的部分大概影響到百分之二以上百分之二以上所以可能會下修百分之二是不是還是說連那個石油的CPI往上修CPI往上修是是是 |
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那我想主席講,我看你今年的經濟成長率大幅上修到7.71%比上一次預測3.54%整整上修了4.17個百分點,這個是我們歷年來最大的上修幅度 |
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我看到你們表示說主要原因是因為台美經貿環境區域你該講的加上AI需求爆發帶動出口與投資使GDP規模將突破1兆美元本席要先表示我們經濟成長當然是好事 |
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但問題是現在免疫戰爭目前還沒有確切結束的期限不知道什麼時候會結束所以原本的預估勢必會因為免疫戰爭而必須下調我們的經濟成長率另外我們看到台美經貿環境真的趨穩了嗎 |
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本徐必須提醒面對川普這位大總統的不確定性所以我們不行這麼樂觀還有台美的對等貿易協定ART是否真的會照協定的內容執行 |
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我想這些還充滿不確定的因素啊所以我們現在時隔34年我國又被納入了301條款的調查國家之一難道這些因素主計總數你都沒有列入這一次你上調到7.71%的評估因素嗎 |
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剛才講的你們都沒有加入評估因素嗎你這麼樂觀喔中東戰爭我們是還沒有納入啦當初二月中旬的時候還沒有中東戰爭但是因為那時候我現在說撇開嘛就是我剛才講的幾個因素川普的不確定性 |
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重演的部分那現在縱使是說我那個但是我還是有ART和MOU有訂定所以對我們來講至少有七成以上還是有利的雖然有301條款的一個制約但是對我們來講以目前來講比當前我們在評估的時候還是有利的 |
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市長 今年的經濟呈現的是高成長穩通膨的格局預測CPI只有1.68% 仍低於2%的警戒線但是剛才很多委員也關心 就是我們民眾的感受 |
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其實不是這樣我們水電瓦斯都在上漲而且房租在漲另外因為這個美伊戰爭我們所帶來的我們整個這個該講交通費的上漲不管是我們的機票、車票全部都預計都會在這未來幾個月會持續上漲現在就是現在進行式一直在漲 |
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所以我們許多上幫族族的薪資成長跟不上這些生活成成本啊所以這個這些生活的成本就是這個薪資的上漲幅度太低啊所以沒有辦法落實到每一個人的生活的改善所以我們政府啊要如何的因應這些這個民生的一些問題啊這些油價上漲瓦斯上漲所帶來的這些這個問題政府要如何因應 |
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這個部分我們大概在行政院的一個物價穩定小組裡面他有折成中油還有台電還有台雪那針對天然瓦斯還有一個石油的這個部分目前是雙凍漲的部分那也盡量希望能夠不要漲那這些中油台電 凍漲之後就要補貼台電對 他們這些補貼的因素將來我們透過對他們的一個增資給予補償因為這些都是屬於政策的因素 |
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所以到時候要請委員您來多支持那再來就是說我們其他的部分譬如說如果說CPI的一個其他的因素我們也希望經濟部能夠透過其他的對中小企業相關的一個補助能夠讓這個來增低我現在聽到的都是補貼都是用補貼來穩住我們的物價但是我們除了補貼的政策以外 |
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還有什麼其他更好的方案那其實我也跟委員報告事實上我們最近也在研擬就那個六大社會今天要做一個調整那所以這個部分的這一次調整大概有調整弧度將近23% |
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所謂的老農津貼農民年金這些都做調整讓他們整個一個整個津貼幅度往上升大升百分之二十三我想問你的不是這個我說我們除了對於這些中油啦他的虧損用這個去補貼政策去補貼他以外那另外我們真正的有效的能夠這個 |
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政府除了補貼政策以外真正有效更好的方案你們沒有想過嗎其他的政策工具沒有想過嗎比如說我講一下啦比如說稅制的調整啦 |
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調降油品的貨物稅還有能源的分散還有能源的轉型貨物稅的一個調整的減增才有貨物稅的減增弧度所以這些政策工具都有在用還有能源的分散比如說我們現在可能就是不是只有跟中東國家來採購油品其他國家也要跟他買 |
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政經進步的措施我想這些政策工具都要用還有能源政策我們核能的則重啟我想政府都要去思考而不是每次油品上漲我們就靠補貼我想這個都是短期的中長期的因應方式我想政府還是要把它考量進去台電也有在研擬是 謝謝另外我想請問一下我們這個 |
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平均薪資的問題我想主席講我國大約有七成的勞工領不到平均薪資根據主席總書的專報內容提到去年工業及服務企業全體收工員工每人每月經常薪資平均數為47884元較去年增加了3.09% |
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那主要是受惠於哪些產業能夠讓我們每人每月的平均薪資平均數能夠呈現47884元這個數字受惠於哪些產業因為很多勞工領不到這個錢啊 |
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當然是高科技產業包括金融業資通業科技業跟金融業來拉高所以多數的勞工的經常薪資綜合數還是38406年增率大概3.03%徐局長你是否有統計大約我們有幾成的勞工目前領的是接近這個38406 |
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大概有幾成的勞工領到這個錢你有沒有統計過五成啦中位數就是五成五成喔其實是七成的勞工領到這個只領到這個錢啦那是平均數我知道平均數是三萬八千但是有七成的勞工他是大概領到這個錢我想你再詳細統計一下最後一個問題請主席給我一分鐘就是我們看到 |
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這個去年前年2024年的平均薪資是49,060元中位數是38,689元但是去年是前年2024年但是去年我們看到2025年他是剛才我們提到的平均薪資是47,884那個平均的這個那個平均的 |
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綜會數是38406都比2024年下降具體的原因是什麼 |
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為什麼2024年我們的平均中位數還有平均月薪比較高2025下降我們是沒有下降是會後我再提供正確的數字給委員好不好我是沒有下降2025是比2024還高的謝謝市民委員那接著請王世堅委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我請主記長好 主記長委員好主記長辛苦了是我每次看到你的報告以後一則已喜 一則已憂是我今天兩個問題要請教你是第一個問題就是說關於我們國家產業結構失衡那這個 |
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要如何來反映給各部會那行政院各部會大家群策群力想辦法來補救第二點就是說我發現你們所調查的這個房屋租金指數那麼跟實質上還是有差距那這兩個問題我想請教你那麼其實你們 |
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上個月你們修改了這個經濟預測經濟成長率從3.54你修改到上修到7.71這個很好而且你們認為說我們出口成長會從6.3那上修到22.2% |
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上修的幅度超過一千億美元以上這對我們台灣都是好的啦這都是正面的尤其相較於鄰近國家那麼我們的經常站在GDP的比重就是說我們貿易順差的部分明顯高出很多 |
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像去年我們出口年增率我們台灣是世界第一我們台灣佔了34.9%日本韓國多4%3.8%左右當然也贏過美國跟中國6.0 5.5%這個都是好的都是正面的但是就是關於產業結構的部分 |
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我們如果列出11項我們主要貨品出口的概況11項產業裡面我們在資通跟視聽產品在電子零組件電機產品光學精密儀器等等這一些包括機械 |
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這五大項裡面我們是成長的尤其是高科技業 資通 試聽產品這些電子零組件這些我們的成長幅度非常的高但是另外六項傳產行業像橡膠 塑膠行業礦產品 運輸工具化學品 基本金屬等等這些我們傳統產業 |
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我們不但沒成長 甚至都衰退這個衰退所帶來的影響你看近三年來 我們GDP佔的比重比農林漁牧業我們佔1.51% 微幅成長工業 |
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微幅下降微幅下降抱歉那工業我們從38.56到43.45我們是成長很大但是服務業59.53降到55.11那降的這個幅度 |
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有將近5%之多啦所以產業結構的失衡越來越嚴重那產業結構失衡主席長你很清楚就是說我們受惠於高科技產業的這個部分電子製造業的部分我們GDP佔的比重超過15% |
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而高科技產業能夠聘僱運用的人力卻只佔勞動人口的6.5%簡單講如果以數字來講一個100億產值的高科技產業可能他三五百人就夠啦 |
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但是100億產值如果在紡織業 在食品業它可能要兩三千人以上的規模所以這樣子會導致我們失業人口大幅增加那薪水也是薪資大家都曉得我們台灣我們在四小龍裡面我們平均月薪5.6萬5萬6在四小龍裡面我們是墊底的 |
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我們GDP比日本韓國都高但是我們薪水的中位數卻慘輸他們所以受惠的民眾事實上我們國家出口也成長GDP也成長各方面欣欣向榮但是實質上受惠的民眾並 |
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不多多數的民眾是無感的甚至因為物價的關係甚至他們是每天在過著辛苦的生活那像失業率而言我剛講的失業率確實啦去年失業率3.35這個是25年來新低這是沒錯可是有一項 |
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主席長我特別提醒你有一項我們15歲到24歲的年輕人失業率高達11.32年輕人失業率高達11.32是整體我們平均失業率的3.5倍不但高而且高過日本韓國高過日本韓國大概都將近他們的兩倍之多 |
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所以這個部分主席長我希望你能夠在行政院會裡面協調各部份能夠告知這個詳實的情況提出具體讓他們提出具體的對策去改善這樣可不可以你有沒有發現這個事情的嚴重性產業失衡產業結構失衡的嚴重性越來越嚴重 |
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是 跟委員報告因為產業是很的確是存在的尤其傳產產業的部分它整個一個它整個一個終端一個需求它是疲弱還有海外它有低價一個競爭所以整個是整個力道成長力道是不足啦所以這個部分我們當然會請經濟部還有國會 |
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要相關的部會要持續來協助協助他們要整形要升級要提升他們的一個競爭力這才有辦法不然的話傳產的部分他的人力佔了百分之三十嘛那所謂的那個知通就佔百分之六點五而已所以相對的這一個部分是人力的部分那所以他的薪資就會相對的低就會低下來那這一個部分呢我們本身在 |
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國發會經濟部方面這個部分我們會提供相關的數據給他參考讓他來 主席講國發會經濟部這些部分政策上去調整怎麼樣來協助傳統產業還有一項可以協助的就是說也要 |
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情商財政部負稅署我們可以在稅負方面給傳統產業優惠嘛尤其農林漁牧產業我們對他們課徵這樣同樣的那些稅率其實是不對的 |
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農林漁牧還有傳統產業我們至少稅賦上面與時俱進跟著這個情況隨時我們各種經濟狀況的改變產業結構的改變適時的來幫助他們我覺得這最實際 |
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好不好財政部最難商量了他保守嘛他們很保守保守是對的但是要讓他們知道這個嚴重性那另外就是說房屋指數房屋指數的部分主席長我一直搞不懂我從第一次質詢你到現在你們那個樣本數1480 |
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就這1480份文文不動啦那其實低估的租金指數等於低估的物價指數嘛因為物價指數CBI裡面房租的物價指數這個權重佔了15.6%耶15.6%我們全國有高達300萬戶出租的房屋結果你只有1480份 |
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一千五百份都不到的房屋來做你的sample所以這樣出來的指數跟民間調查的不太一樣耶民間現在房租確實漲的幅度有減緩但是還是繼續在漲啊還是繼續在漲那麼我認為啦這個部分在內政部內政部有內政部的統計資料他們有七十一萬份 |
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71萬份資料甚至台北市啊台北市每一季每一季的採樣都5000份以上台北市而已喔 採樣5000份所以我認為1480份根本完全沒辦法完整真實的表達我們房屋租金它的指數到底是什麼樣 |
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12224.042 |
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12250.755 |
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所以這個部分是不是你可以跟因為內政部很簡單嘛跨部會你找他們情商他那些資料背景其實就可以供給我們主計處來做一個很好的調查不是這樣嗎有這個部分我跟委員報告我們民間的樣本住宅是1500戶啦那社會住宅的部分呢是樣本是3萬戶啦所以整個部分之外我們也有參考 |
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主席講講你社會住宅的部分樣本數都三分之一社會住宅佔整體我們國家房屋才佔一小部分欸因為它是公務資料該查的你不查 欸它不負責任的 |
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你該取樣的是那個大塊的不是這樣子嗎就是真的你要大塊的這個部分大多數的房屋不是那個社會住宅嘛那你社會住宅反而取樣那麼多低樓不夠 要多二五樓 |
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我不是說那個社會住宅的房屋租金指數不重要重要但是他你都能夠取得三萬份了那你為什麼是嘛是嘛所以你說因為是公務資料所以啊我也四個字回你嘛變於形式嘛 |
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阿又扁扁的 扁扁的阿我現在跟你講 扁扁的齁阿你做早內政部 也是很扁的阿阿他有七十一萬份否則你想想喔以台北市政府的規模他都能做到每一季五千份了我們是中央政府欸你們是主計處欸 欸拜託台北市的財力比我們還優 |
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謝謝主席 我們請主席長請主席長 |
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主計總署公佈115年度共同性費用編列基準表 |
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國內的所有的公共工程有一個編列預算的基準表公共工程的這個部分那離島地區的部分是跟這個表格裡面說明離島地區的部分是按照左列基準就是按照台灣島的這個基準增加百分之三十範圍內編列對吧是三成夠嗎 |
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這是我們依照工程會他的一個標準來做編列三層是怎麼列出來的這個要問工程會因為我們是所有的標準都是依照工程會他給我們我要講幾個例子齁這個當然已經完工的金門大小就先不說已經招標很多很多次那就先不說那比較大的建設齁 |
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本島跟離島有很大的差別材料運輸成本金門島沒有產任何東西任何的建物鋼筋水泥建材任何東西都要從台灣運過去不管它是海運或是空運經過裝卸兩次的裝卸從本島的裝船離島的碼頭卸船然後入運每一道都是成本 |
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那中間還有損耗 這個沒有疑問嘛損耗 還有很多損耗 沿害啊 各方面那觀光這些事實上已經耗盡了這個整個30%的額度這個還不算人工 還不算人工你看喔 這個 |
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我們知道說你們怎麼算出來你們的依據你不知道你們依據怎麼算你說是工程會但是我們有請教過了你們是哪比如說去年7月間公共工程委員會所做的115年度工程費用 |
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編列基準表的一般房屋建築費及辦公室翻修費調整的建議報告來說明所以按照你們你們是收集以前的這個例子說以前的這個招標的這個答案所以這個整個造價漲幅大概是增加了9.43%到27.86%所以你們建議還是維持離島加計30%的幅度對吧 |
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所以我們找到的這個相關資料你們是按照說已經得標了算一算說跟這個計算的這個結果大概多了9%到大概27%所以你們還是覺得應該只建議還是加這個30%的幅度因為主計這邊是要編那個相關的預算一個標準嘛但是你們找到的都是已經得標然後後面動工的這個案子那大家也知道說現在 |
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如果一旦只標不出去 留標 再留標隨著時間的這個 尤其現在大家都在討論這個通膨啊所以時間過去 越晚標出去 成本事實上 |
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會越來越高嘛是不是越來越高嘛所以今天標跟明年標這個成本整個不一樣但是你們在編列預算的時候常常會尤其離島地區我就舉一個例子給你聽你看我們金門的這個醫院的長照這個機構這個長照機構當初我那時候在衛房委員會我爭取八千一百萬 |
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後來從開始爭取到核定這樣過了一年兩年以後開始要標的時候發現八千一百萬完全不夠用所以讓外部也變得一億多然後就開始招標 你看他第一次招標是什麼時候一百一十 你看一下這個表格上面有一百一十四年的三月六號今天是一百一十五年三月份 三月十八號你看 你看他無法決標總共有幾次 |
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一二三四五六七這個去年111年八九十這個七次來一次更正公告那不算好了七次再加上115年一二三四到現在為止已經流標11次了還沒有標出去 |
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我只是舉這個案子當作一個例子而已我知道主席是不是說要標什麼大概三次以後沒有絕標沒有絕標以後要重新調整嘛對不對然後再標又三次以後沒有再重新調整再標 再調調調因為你們有一個30%這個嘛 |
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所以到現在為止十幾次都沒有辦法決標啊離島的工作第一個當然它的成本物料成本就比較高嘛第二個還有一個很大的問題很多人不願意到離島去這個做工啦那個做工的人不容易找到在本島比較容易找到那加上大家知道現在台積電到處在現金搶工人在本島本來就有很好的這個價錢來找這些工人所以 |
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除了要離鄉背井以外專業人士不管是哪一類模板鋼筋各類的專業設計各方面人才找不到人以外那錢如果又沒有比台積電要發現金你根本所有案子都標不出去這不是唯一的案子這是很多很多的案子我們現在很多工程都標不出去就爭取多少預算也沒有用 |
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最終仍然還是價錢不好那當你價錢不好你現在標三次流標再三次流標這樣整整光照標就已經照標了一年了從114年的3月6號到現在已經100今年已經是3月10幾號了已經整整照標一年都標不出去了你們已經調整三次價錢都照標不出去了所以你們不覺得你們應該想一下為什麼會這樣子嗎真的沒有人要做就是因為價錢不好嘛主席長 |
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我不是針對他的案子啦我真的是一個整體的這個情形因為這個不是唯一的案子啊基本現在很多的重大工程都找不到人做啊價錢賣嘛本島如果可以做沒有人要到里島去做啊那我們當地也沒那麼多工人那我們的確有這些需求嘛當然還有其他港部建設啊各方各面都一樣現在所有的案子都面臨這個情形啊一標標一年然後成本又變更高一年後標不出去成本又更高永遠標不出去啊 |
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所以旅遊標就變成一個常態啊還有大家也知道你們編例預算你們都會先仿那個民間一些價錢嘛對不對你們會有做一些仿價一些動作對 但你們仿價都是落後的啊你們那個仿價的在達到答案在出來的時候那時候價錢已經跟市場上又不一樣啦因為你們做完 譬如說你們去年做仿價今年要編這個預算的時候事實上已經落後了嘛對不對 這個是事實吧 |
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主席這樣這是事實嘛那當你拿出那個落後的價錢就比較少的價錢來編列預算後又標不出去一標再標三標標到十二標已經用一年了所以你們這個整個原物料的這個價錢還不算能工原物料竟然就已經落後兩三年了永遠標不出去本島有時候如果說在島內大家還願意做就沒有人要到外島去工作根本就是沒辦法做 |
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所以這個問題現在在至少在金門市非常嚴重我想馬祖也應該也是都一樣啊 是對吧 普遍性在外島都很嚴重那我們也想要建設發展嘛也想要說也要想說這個既然爭取到預算就是要做要做這些的確也是有必有需求才會提出來嘛但是現在就很多很多我想你如果去查一下金門市現在好多案子都還有後面打算要招票案子我們都覺得可能會沒有人來做 |
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自己再多預算回去也沒有辦法有什麼結果政府需要的建設民間需要的這種像比如說你看這個長照機構多重要啊一標標了12次啊我看再標一年也標不出去怎麼做呢 有什麼想法呢 |
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報告委員這個部分因為我們主要是參考工程會去做查訪相關的指標是落後指標所以我們要把這個問題反映給工程會然後請工程會重新來訂定新的 |
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你們可不可以有比較主動積極的做法因為工程會長會說主計事就是規定 主計處就是規定這麼多不能顛戴說法令啊我們比較被動是接受工程會然後我們才訂定這個標準那這個部分我們主動來聯繫工程會然後跟他研商先針對這個部分要怎麼解決 |
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我不是針對這個案子因為案子真的很多不是一件兩件還有離島整個將來要怎麼樣訂請工程會來嚴定然後我們直接發布因為我們是根據工程會訂的部分你們是根據工程會我如果問工程會他們會說這個組計就是這樣有一個規定我就不能超過多少大家都聽組計數的 |
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所以我們沒有這方面的專業你今天聽到這個訊息了那我想說你們是不是會同工程會建立一個離島的營建指標因為它的確跟本島是不一樣的物料也好 能工也好那個時間各方面都完全不一樣所以不然我們的案子不是只有這個案子很多離島的建設都沒有辦法往前推進長照啊 不管是長照也好 港布啊 各方面都一樣 |
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嗯好不好那你是不是可以在一個月內這個提出這個相關的一些報告出來給我第一個首先是針對這個案子你們主動好不好你主動牽頭跟工程會來做好不好我不是針對這個案子這個案子已經標了一年了我們再針對116年度請他提出 |
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以後的案子 以後到底離島的工址各樣的建設 到底它的標準是不是應該要怎麼樣單價各方面是不是有一個提高的方法或什麼好的建議你們主動來跟工程會我們也轉給工程會來做什麼時候給我這個答案可以給我我們盡快盡快是多久 |
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主席 在場的委員先進 列席的政府監事長 官員會長 公眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生 邀請我們陳主席長好 主席長 |
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主席好,聽說今天有個玉山論壇開幕,你有沒有聽說?玉山論壇,我們總統副總統,第九屆了,是我們小英總統在十年前所創立的。 |
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是不太了解我來介紹一下今年我們要請到波蘭的前總統華勒莎來那大概有22個國家70多位各國的代表參加但你有個概念啦你覺得像這樣的育成論壇促進台灣跟國際的交往和能見度有沒有幫助 |
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有吧?你可以點頭回答了嗎?我這樣很簡單的問題啊,你緊張什麼?是,謝謝!對,所以呢,但是呢,我給你看到照片這個呢,是剛好上週我去參加一個,2026年,從2016年開始一個印度瑞辛納對話,這也是個論壇,有超過110個國家,700多個代表參加,其中我可以見證,台海局勢是各國所關切的, |
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包括一些軍事將領都參加了那我們也跟國會印度的國務委員交流了你覺得自己辦玉山論壇要花相當的經費別人印度辦了我們派人去參加你覺得是不是兩者都很有效益是是很有效益嘛好那我們來看一下那你過去過的人有沒有去過印度沒有沒有你會不會私人度假想去印度 |
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通常大多數的國人跟我去之前一樣印度這個地方好像很神秘有很多偉大的建築但是呢除非你有特別的興趣大概你不會是第一選項你下次出國會去印度嗎 |
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不會不會啦很好時所以呢我們都知道台灣不容易台灣目前啊 駐外的管處呢有多達111個遍佈那麼多國家有些國家相對的很艱困但是呢有些國家很小像我兩個星期前去帛琉只派了三個人他根據邦交關係政治因素分成五個規模我知道外交部有編列駐外人員的家籍請問這個家籍是不是主計總書要核定 |
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是不是根據這五個級數來分的 還是根據其他的方式來分是人事總署定的 跟主計總署無關好 那這樣子我覺得也很有道理啦但是我希望你可以給人事總署一個建議今天特別請你來就是說那麼我們認為 你認為像這樣的駐地的人員加擠要考量哪些因素 |
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因為你回答我我就會告訴那個人事長 |
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國外的一個物價啦物價水準因為派駐的人員要考慮他的支出嘛因為你們主計總署在歸管什麼用度的嘛對是不是這樣子是那還要考慮什麼治安的問題啊艱困的程度有些地方很艱困你們要調高這個艱困加急外交人員不太想去不太敢去好那這個大麥克指數我們剛剛看了一下瑞士、瑞典、印尼、印度差別很大那麼你看印度跟瑞士的物價差異有3.7倍你覺得 |
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那麼這兩個國家的住外人員加息會不會差到3.7倍你判斷一下你認為有3.7倍合不合理又不是你管的問題很客觀嘛應該沒有差到3.7倍但是合理上應該有這樣的一個range啦你也支持很好因為未來人事總署跟你或者外交部跟你要錢的時候呢你就要答應了來往下看來你猜猜看硬貨的首都新德里夢買辦事處青奈電子高業產產季你認為這三個地方的物價指數會不會一樣 |
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13253.994 |
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物價水準不一樣新的歷史首府非常的貴孟買寺都會區也不便宜親愛的鄉村的物價落差大那你知道嗎目前外交部跟人種核給他們的地域加擠是一樣的你覺得這樣合理嗎不合理那如果未來人種或者是外交部希望說這些地區因應的堅固程度跟物價指數來作為調整主計總督支不支持我們支持 |
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支持 很好 那今天我們很快就得到答案了來 那請教一下 你知道我們國內的地域家籍有分過三級嗎你是公務人員嘛 你有沒有領過地域家籍過沒有沒有 我曾經在澎湖任過公職 所以我知道澎湖地區有家籍你認為澎湖要不要有家籍 離島要不要有家籍要 |
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13293.102 |
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園鄉山區要不要加擠這些加擠的目的是什麼因為交通生活不便嘛有點像艱困的意思啦對不對但是你知道我們全國的公務員的薪水有沒有一樣有沒有因為我在台北或在屏東物價水準不同我的薪水比較高或比較低有沒有 |
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13310.888 |
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沒有 所以台灣的地域加擠考量的是什麼 艱困程度 生活不便程度但是珠寶雅雲又不同喔 它被拍到哪個國家 哪個城市 消費水準如何不是它能決定的 對不對所以外交部如果報請行政院核定加擠的時候 主計總署會不會來協助 |
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會好 那我就今天先問了你那我下次又問人事長說他支不支持我們對於這些為我們國家拼外交的人員依據這些各地城市的生活物價以及監管程度適度的給予不同差距的住外家籍好不好很好 你可以大聲一點好很好 那我就跟任總來講也會跟外交部長講最後行政院編預算的時候主計長你要支持喔好謝謝 |
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13366.338 |
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謝謝嘉賓接著我們請楊瓊英 楊瓊英 楊瓊英委員王紅薇 王紅薇 王紅薇委員不在鄭振琴 鄭振琴 鄭振琴委員不在陳培宇 陳培宇 陳培宇委員不在鄭天才 鄭天才 鄭天才委員不在 |
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13367.279 |
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13386.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
今天登記花園的委員經已詢答完畢那本次的會議做成如下的決議報告跟詢答完畢委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關的部會在一週內以書面答覆另外委員要求期限者從期鎖定 |
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13408.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
委員楊瓊英所提的書面執行列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆本次的會議議程已進行完畢如果有不在場的委員提補書面的一個執行一併列入紀錄刊登公報並請醫事人員協助處理散會 |
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13419.163 |
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包心菜 |