| IVOD_ID |
17270 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17270 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T08:31:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T11:31:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:59:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eadc5f31f4729d12f51fc48310b441d33d157d0edf07c12ea605ce10ff332c1a2c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。二、審查委員林俊憲等23人擬具「市區道路條例第二十三條條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】【3月16日及18日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:20 - 11:31:00 |
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谢谢观看 |
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感谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 |
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請主任命書報告初期人數報告委員會初期委員10人已足法定人數好現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第一次全體委員會會議議事錄時間115年3月11日星期三上午93分至97分地點紅樓202會議室初期委員張志倫委員等13人主席詹委員紅錄 |
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報告事項一本院人事處提報院會關於立法院第十一屆第五會期各委員會召集委員選舉時間地點表業經本院第十一屆第五會期第一次會議報告決定在案並經本院人事處函送本會召集委員選舉人名冊到會 |
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二 宣讀本院第十一屆第五會期本會召集委員選舉人名冊選舉事項 選舉第十一屆第五會期本會召集委員二人一 當場推舉張委員洪璐擔任本次會議主席二 各黨團提出書面以推選方式行之主席宣告推選李委員博弈 廖委員先降為本院第十一屆第五會期本會召集委員 宣讀完畢請問張常委員 上次會議議事錄有沒有遺漏或者是錯誤 |
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好,那如果沒有錯誤的話,我們就依事錄確定繼續進行本日議程,請宣讀報告事項二,邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況,含上會及臨時提案辦理情形,並備質詢討論事項,審查委員林軍憲等23人擬拒,市區道路條例第23條條文修正草案案宣讀完畢 |
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本日議程進行報告事項跟討論事項那合併詢答現在介紹在場委員跟列席官員我們先介紹張志文委員蘇巧惠委員黃婕委員王美惠委員 |
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1952.827 |
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1980.843 |
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好謝謝,因為今天內政部來的官員非常多,我重點介紹請劉士凡部長大家好國土署蔡長展署長警政署張榮興署長中央警察大學黃明昭校長消防署蕭煥章署長 |
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1983.871 |
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2002.912 |
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移民署林鴻恩署長國家公園署王承基署長住度中心董事長花敬群好謝謝那內政部來的官員非常多很多司長處長我這裡就不一一介紹 |
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今天有排一個案,就是有關盜交條例,那這個其實是跟燃料稅有關這是林郡縣委員的提案,先請林郡縣委員提案說明如果沒有的話有沒有代表?沒有好,如果沒有的話,那我們就直接請劉世芳部長跟業務報告跟法案一併報告要不要先時間?一併報告 |
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主席 各位委員 女士 先生 大家早今天早上有兩個口頭報告一個就是內政部的業務報告一個就是剛剛主席採釋的有關於修正市區道路條例第23條條文的報告那口頭報告有兩個 |
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我先從內政部的業務報告跟各位委員女士先生來做報告今天可以到內政委員會來報告我們內政部的業務概況深感榮幸感謝各位委員長期對於內政業務的策略跟支持上個會期有通過多項與民眾權益息息相關的法案也讓各項作業能夠與時俱進具體推展我們國家新的制度以下僅就三大面向的重點 |
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2103.952 |
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向各位委員先進來檢要報告那另外本部的重要工作推動情形的詳細資料也敬請各位委員可以參閱我們的書面報告首先呢在安心安全任性家園的方面第一個是有關於維護社會安定面對詐欺犯罪手法日新月異本部持續滾動 |
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經進床詐作為在114年11月7日升格詐欺犯罪防治中心擴大編制新設詐欺偵查隊並且在115年1月21日公布施行詐欺犯罪違害條例防治違害條例的修正案以提升第一線人員執法的效能另外為了維護安全生活環境內政部持續加強打擊幫派毒品等犯罪 |
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並且策進緊急維安事件處置作為建立警察機關快速打擊犯罪部隊分級調度與應處機制以守護全民的安全第二有關深化社會防衛力的部分為了將自助及互助能量紮根地方擴大推動防災式的培訓到115年2月底止已經有超過11萬1千名合格的防災式 |
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2173.981 |
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同時透過韌性特別預算優化各地避難空間確保每一寸國土都有強大的守護韌性此外為了堅實全國災害防救體系運作的效能推動研修災害防救法規劃增列驗澀湖災害以及增訂公務機關應該設置災防長等規範 |
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這個草案在115年1月27日已經函報行政院審查希望這個會期可以送到大院來進行審查以達到我們在深化社會防衛力的一個功能第三有關精進警消權益維護方面為了落實警消權益的照護 |
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行政院核定從115年3月1日起調高全國刑事加成由原來資整級數額加6成提升為加8成並且全面調升警察勤務繁重加成以及消防危險加擠除了提高六都加成上限之外並且擴大納入基隆市等13個本島縣市最高可加發4成之擠以衛免基層警消同仁的薪勞 |
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2252.284 |
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第二大項在安居低碳永續環境方面一擴大居住照顧配合115年3月4日修正公佈住宅法明定社會住宅至少20%出租與新婚或育有未成年子女的家庭以及建置社會住宅申請登記平台內政部將持續運用多元新辦社會住宅社宅包租代管租金補貼等政策實質減輕民眾居住的負擔 |
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同時為了持續推展青年婚姻租屋協助支持專案115年將擴大到9個縣市提供超過1000戶並且延長育兒家庭成租年限最高達12年來搭配補貼加碼等措施打造婚姻民眾最有力的支持系統 |
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二共創國土新風貌因應我國住宅老化高齡化社會的雙重挑戰內政部跟衛福部以及經濟部也推出老宅延壽機能的復興計畫將在116年底以前投入新台幣50億元韌性特別預算協助約2到3萬戶民眾整修30年以上老舊住宅 |
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2319.47 |
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內政部已經陸續辦理了總共15場地方的巡迴說明會與民眾來充分溝通跟對話讓老屋對變為符合全民生活機能的友善住宅為了精進相關的制度推動研修都市危險及老舊建築物加速重建條例並且在114年12月17日函報行政院審查 |
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新增修繕方式及付稅減免以增進參與的誘因後續將檢討修正都市更新條例的相關法規以推升民眾自行實施都市更新量能也期待在未來大院可以在這個會期審查有關都市更新條例的相關法條 |
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第三推動工地放領方面為了落實憲法扶植自耕農的政策展開工地放領工作內政部在115年2月2日修正發布《國有耕地放領實施辦法》截至115年3月13日子已經審議通過包括宜蘭縣、台東縣、彰化縣三岸放領案協助辛勤耕耘的農民取得長期守護的土地 |
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第三大項在民主友善共榮社會方面一精進地方治理為了落實114年12月3日修正公佈的地方製度法提高地方民意代表婦女保障比例等本部已經在12月26日函請各地方政府依照修正後規定推動政務並且積極研修配套的執法 |
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另外為了配合行政區劃程序法在115年7月1日施行為了確立行政區域調整程序一致化現在正在完備相關的配套措施以確保地方發展符合民眾的需求二友善人權環境方面 |
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2426.459 |
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為了建立更具吸引力的流財環境配合《外國專業人才研覽及僱用法》的修正從115年1月1日起放寬外國特定專業人才申請永久居留等規範預估超過2萬人會受惠 |
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2443.459 |
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另外為了減輕新住民家庭在台育兒及生活負擔114年12月30日修正發布《外國人停留居留及永久居留辦法》放寬外國籍父母在台停留期間預計會超過2000個家庭受惠 |
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2465.342 |
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結語的部分內政團隊將持續秉持務實執行專業領航的精神堅韌前行希望各位委員先進不吝給予策略跟指導共同建設幸福家園另外大院第十四屆第四會期內政委員會通過有關本部臨時提案辦理情形降附候表敬請參閱 |
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有關第二個口頭報告的部分就是剛剛有提到大院委員林俊憲等23人提案修正市區道路條例第23條條文提出報告感謝各位委員對我們的關心跟指導那就有關於內政委會審議委員提案之市區道路條例部分條文修正草案我們的延期意見簡要說明如下 |
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2492 |
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2507.926 |
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委員林俊憲賴瑞榮等23人提案指出現行的汽車燃料使用費是作為道路養護與安全管理之經費來源之一因應電動車日益普及並且落實使用者付費原則卻有檢討之必要 |
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2508.726 |
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2534.85 |
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一市區道路條例第23條規定汽車燃料使用費為市區道路經費來源之一並且由公路主管機關統一徵收後分配另外查訪公路法第27條業餘114年12月19日修正公佈已經將汽車燃料使用費更名為公路使用養護安全管理費第三為了維持法體系的用語一致 |
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並且有利於後續制度的執行內政部將配合公路法修正相關的條文綜合上面所述為了配合公路法修正內容委員提案修正市區道路條例第23條相關規定以確保法制一致與制度順利推動內政部敬表支持僅提供內政部建議如上上請各位委員參考感謝好 謝謝部長 |
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現在進行詢答委員質詢前原例做幾點宣告1.每位委員發言時間本會委員5分鐘,必要時得延長2分鐘,非本會委員5分鐘,上午10點30分截止登記發言本次會議不處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見?沒有好,那現在進行詢答請登記第一位的蘇巧慧委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請劉部長來 請劉部長委員早部長好部長 新會期開始想首先針對幾個最近其實在地方反映社會反映都很正面的一些訊息跟你做一些就教因為我們需要有更深刻更細緻的資訊在裡面第一個的話就是講這個警消的加急 |
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2632.583 |
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2645.839 |
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我想行政院在核定自這個3月1日起調高了全國的刑事加成那這個消防的部分也有這個增加我們的待遇這是中央和地方大家都樂見全國都樂見的部分可不可以請部長再幫我們解釋一下說明一下我們這次的調高大概是到什麼樣的程度 |
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2673.185 |
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謝謝委員的指教其實委員非常清楚我們在上個會期內政委員會的時候包括委員在內都大力推動那所以有關加成的部分在警察方面就是我們擴大到非六都的部分那原來在六都的部分的話它的加成就是我剛剛所報告的會提高到兩成左右 |
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那再來就是有關刑事加擠的部分這次也是列計進去那現在我們警政署正要求各地的縣市政府警察局長趕快來報告他們的縣市長希望可以塑製今年3月1號就開始 |
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2713.731 |
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現在就是想請問的這個部分其實我們非常非常的知道警察同仁的辛苦所以中央地方全國那我們當然各委員在這個立法院這邊可以要求的時候不管公開或私下其實都是希望能夠調高這樣的待遇所以以我們新北市我們新北市來舉例的話一般員警呢在修正前和修正後其實每個月的10領加給 |
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幾乎是可以到快3000元那形式呢其實每個月的使領加給最高有將近將近5000元其實是差別蠻大的那這就是對勤務繁重尤其是我們六都其實是一個最實際的鼓勵可是你剛剛也說到了其實部長這就是我想詢問的中央已經調高了等於是打開了這個天花板那 |
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地方的預算編列您說您現在是要求地方縣市的警察局跟首長報告然後預算編列那請問這個時程是什麼時候報告委員我想應該是這樣子第一個呢今年正在執行的預算大部分的縣市政府呢都已經在議會裡面通過 |
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是那但是呢我們在今年執行的預算的時候發現到說我們警察在各縣市地方政府呢他們的人事經費其實是有餘裕的因為到處的員額啊都不是那麼滿的狀況之下所以在沒有增加特別 |
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特別需要在議會通過這個預算之前如果縣市首長他同意的話再送議會知道說有這個辦法公布之後那其實我們有核算過應該從今年3月1號來追溯是沒有太大問題的那目前為止包括新北市在內他們在3月13的時候已經有核定包括繁重加急以及勤務的加急 |
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非常好那部長謝謝你這邊的說明那我想透過您的說明其實全國各縣市也都可以看得到我們是不但調高了規定調高了值值那同時也認為這個預算是有空間可以編列下去所以實際在現在就可以馬上執行而且是可以回溯到今年的3月就可以開始執行的那我希望各縣市政府那當然我們很高興樂見新北市也已經在3月13號已經通過了 |
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好那這樣的話另外一個下一個進度的話就是我們其實也在尤其是我啦我記得去年的10月16號也和民進黨的委員們都共同的提案其實我們還有另外在爭取一個部分也就是請內政部研議擴大深夜為勞津貼的核發範圍 |
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因為我們認為說要輪班維修的人員他即使是駐地內勤的這個部分其實也應該要可以納入那我不曉得從去年的10月我們要求了之後到現在現在研議的進度如何報告委員 |
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我們在三大這個津貼或者是三大這個加擠的部分就是剛剛所說的警察跟消防那現在有關於深夜圍牢津貼本來他如果是在勤的話本來就沒有太大問題我們要爭取的是深夜圍牢津貼是屬於被勤的 |
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背勤的部分那因為屬於背勤的部分的話人數就擴大非常的多除了我們的警消以外還有包括海巡或者是還有包括其他的這個有證紙的人所以呢在行政院人事行政總處或者主計處在核算的時候呢就會碰到這個困難那既然有這個困難的話我們還是來持續爭取 |
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希望能夠朝著這方向來努力那現在為止還沒有定案我們還是再一次的表達啦其實不管是只要是他有在這段時間內在深夜有工作的當然我們知道到外勤是當然更辛苦他所以可以有在危險勤務的加急但是他如果是在備勤的狀態說實在備就是備嘛 |
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背就是如果有的時候我就要出去了所以我們還是認為這個背景應該要納入深夜圍牢津貼的部分了所以我們還是再一次的表達希望內政部可以再跟行政院爭取這個部分的預算對我們的員警能夠有最實質的鼓勵對我們的消防員能夠有實質的鼓勵這是我們再一次的表達意見部長 |
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請繼續堅持我們會繼續爭取因為它裡面的人數真的非常的多但是我還是一直在強調說現在是屬於本來就有外勤的本來就有現在是被勤的部分所以被勤的部分我們會繼續爭取 |
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好 所以這個部分的話到這裡謝謝您的說明那另外也有一個一樣是非常受歡迎的政策但是也是希望有更細部的說明就是老宅延壽所以署長可以請回那這個老宅延壽我想這個內政部也在各次長的帶領之下其實到地方開了非常多次的說明會可以看得到其實鄉親出席的都非常非常的踴躍可見得對這個老宅延壽政策是表示非常支持的那 |
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我們現在的狀況反而是說哇 當時提出了50億的預算要來這個支持要來執行這個老宅延送可是你眼看著來參與說明會來報名的人可能不只這樣吧那所以內政部有什麼樣的因應狀況呢那同時我們在問題 |
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提出的同時也已經看到了坊間媒體就之前內政部2月5號的新聞稿說明以後變成有一種消息在坊間流傳說變成因為內政部因為知道自己這個政策很受歡迎所以它有四個來源加總它從有一種寫法是它是創造100億元的產值這是一種說法 |
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但是以後另外一種說法會變成是你已經再加碼了50億等於是籌措到另外50億的這個的費用預算也就是變成是100億的預算那這個部分部長請問到底哪一種何者為真哪一種是您現在的方向 |
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是謝謝委員的關心那委員也在地方上辦說明會的時候呢多次出席也幫鄉親來爭取權益我跟委員報告一下50億是真真確確在上一次我們特別預算的時候這是大家內政確定的然後三年內要執行結束沒錯但是呢我們發現到我們在推老宅延售的時候呢衛福部他也要加進來 |
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所以衛福部的經費是額外的對 22億那經濟部呢他們也想加進來經濟部有關於太陽光電也好或是其他ESCO的部分呢他們也要額外的部分那再來一個就是說我們在推動的過程當中啊地方也要按照地方他們的這個財政收支劃分法裡面的層級他們也必須要有一部分的補貼的經費放到裡面來那還有一個申請老宅延壽的人呢他自己也要有一部分的自備款 |
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所以呢我們用非常粗略的這個估計下來的話呢50億可能會增加變成到100億左右的這樣的產值會出現那哪一些會受惠呢第一個當然是申請老宅延壽的這些人第二個有關於像這個土木包工業或是修繕業者等等這些也會受惠那目前呢院長有再三要求我們把它備變清楚之後我們預計在今年5月就開始申請上路 |
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部長我還是建議我們的預算來源的數字和產值這兩個名詞可能不要混用可能比較好一點因為您剛剛也是又提到了說我們又加進了衛福部經濟部到這裡為止我們都非常樂見樂見有更多的資源投入這一個專案當中這個是我們樂見的但如果後面跳到我們初估會有100億的產值這兩個字出來我們就又會混淆掉了 |
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我剛剛有聽懂你的狀況應該就是我們會增加更多的預算那未來呢到底什麼樣的標準各縣市有沒有一定的比例比如說我新北市其實老宅最多啊那我是不是可以爭取最多王美惠已經在那邊搖頭了不行我新北市還是最多我們新北市要最多所以在這樣的狀況下我希望這個規範也可以更清楚所以部長這個部分的話也請你提供資料讓我們可以進一步跟鄉親說明好 是的謝謝文的指教好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝僑會委員接下來請張志倫委員發言好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員各位媒體朋友大家早安有請劉思芳劉部長我們警政署張署長以及國土署蔡署長還請部長署長 |
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部長早 首先還是這是這個會期第一次質詢本席在這邊還是要感謝內政部跟所屬單位過去的辛勞 那也期待這個會期大家一起努力好 那首先還是要先請教一下我們內政部這次的業務匯報裡面聚集在幾個最近這個有很多這個大家所重視的以及我們很多基層 |
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的核心的問題主要要請教的就是最近剛剛我們前面有委員有提到說這個最近內政部有提高這個警消的這個警情加急的部分那我覺得這個是非常好的一件事情那加急的金額大概約2000多元 |
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那可是本席這邊還是要為這個我們很多的基層的警察尤其是警察來發聲因為就最近上個月的新聞表示我們現在警察的缺額已經連續三年的缺額人數屢創新高從113年缺額達2392名到114年缺額達2344人今年的缺額還創歷史新高2402人 |
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所以我的意思是說雖然我們有這樣子的家籍喔是很好可是警察基層警察的心聲是什麼呢他們是低職等高工時啊他們家青喔要靠家籍我覺得這是他們內心喔最深沉想要 |
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想要請部長跟署長來協助的地方所以本席在這邊講其實基層警察他們的這個本縫是非常的低啊他們的薪水都要靠這個加給來去做把他們的薪水提高所以看起來很高事實上是很低尤其他們以後退休的時候是用本縫來去看他們未來的退休的狀況 |
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所以我在這邊是不是說既然我們都可以讓我們基層的警察的薪水整體的提高是不是這個會期部長跟署長我們可以來討論是不是我們的警察的職等跟諷點有沒有機會來提高比如說舉例諷點的部分同樣是公務人員警察的諷點他的折算率就比公務人員低所以很多警察覺得這非常不公平為什麼這個警察的諷點 |
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會比公務人員低那是不是可以建議有沒有辦法這個折算率可以把它取消讓警察的縫點警察非常辛苦而且警察現在很多的他的教育水平也非常的高是不是可以跟公務人員比照一樣的縫點那第二個就是職等的問題現在基層警員的職等三到五職等是不是可以提升到六職等然後可以不用經過考試來請部長署長回答 |
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謝謝張委員的關心我想對於警察福利的爭取大概就是不分黨派大家都會極力爭取因為警員真的是非常的辛苦我想應該都是警消都非常辛苦但是委員剛所提到就是說要修改這個縫點等等這些就是我們跟一般的公務人員不太一樣而且在修改的過程當中我們確實會需要跟這個包括考試院在內或是人事行政總署 |
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做一下專案性的討論那至於這奉典上面怎麼比序會比較好我是不是請那個署長跟你回應一下非常謝謝委員的支持檢查的這個待遇跟這個整個的升遷那對於警察人員的這個福利跟一般公園確實是不一樣的包括我們的奉典的算法跟我們是警佐警政跟警監那跟一般的檢監委的一般公園是不同的那對於這個對 |
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那這個部分我們想就是我們會來做跟相關單位來做一個一個研議就好像我們對於我們的景形加息我們也經過努力之後終於在去年行政院有做核定那至於這一個等階的這個部分那我們也會來做一個跟相關單位來做一個研議謝謝委員給我們時間我們對於奉典跟這個等階主的等階我們來研議來做對遠景 |
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做最好的一個幫助請問署長大概要多久的時間我們可能要跟考試員跟人總來做一個協調那是不是給我們三個月的時間來做這樣的一個溝通因為這個是對制度性架構比較大的一個方向那我們來做因為有一些是整個全國是橫平性的一個問題 |
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那我們朝這兩方向來做一個原因好 謝謝署長為什麼我要這樣提因為現在很多畢業生他們都說如果他的薪水跟警察差不多那不如他去做工程師因為工程師也輪班制嘛那還沒有像警察一樣 消防一樣這麼有危險性所以要拜託署長多多幫忙謝謝 謝委員 |
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那再來我想要請教就是其實在上個會期我想要請教就是光電這個要裝置在屋頂板的這個問題啊其實上個會期我就請教這個部長跟國土組之間的吳署長就是說這個問題點就是說 |
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我們本來這樣子現在的草案喔已經本來是說我們還要再繼續研議喔然後現在已經變成說今年8月1號要上路就是整個草案的內容就是要強制我們現在所有的住宅不管是一般住宅商辦 |
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工廠等等的這個建築面積在1000平方公尺以上要強制設置光電板那這個本來是說我記得我第一次問部長的時候部長是說本來是只有在工廠跟工有建物可是不知道為什麼感覺起來好像文內政部被經濟部綁架現在8月1號就要草草上路所以可是我想要請問部長跟署長的部分 |
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現在這樣子這麼大的一個變化要要求所有的建物一般的建物包含是住宅那本席在這邊也屢次提到說這樣會影響到尤其是都會區的這個問題不管是住宅的安全以及未來很多的維護等等的狀況那我想要請教內政部的確是要8月1號就要上路嗎 |
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來 請說報告委員確實沒有錯我們跟那個經濟部一起會嫌的時候是依照再生能源條例在115年8月1號開始施行但是我們在施行的時候是對於新建或者是改建的面積的時候做設置那委員一再都是很關心說那個建築尤其是屋頂上面如果有安全上的顧慮的話怎麼樣處理那相關的部分我是不是請這個蔡署長跟您簡單回覆好 謝謝署長 |
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市長確定這個要8月1號上路嗎因為本席這邊要特別提到先在下一頁我要講一下世界各國的案例其實在亞洲國家現在只有日本在東京有在稍微示範一下而且他是要求大型建築業者來去做實行那如果這些大型建築業者他們沒有做其實是沒有相關的罰則所以我表的你8月1號上路的時候如果有些這個 |
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有些案子他沒有辦法裝 你們未來是不會發建造還是怎麼樣 所以是不是可以請你現在說明一下跟委員報告 其實每一個建築物大概會有一些不一樣的太陽那我們現在在這個北部的地區有召開過一次說明會那中南部也會繼續召開那這裡面還是會有一些比較權宜性的 譬如說光照程度或者是結構有問題的那這些再報給建築主管機關以及能源主管機關這邊來核定 |
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有特殊狀況還有他的權益處理方式那原則上還是8月1號要實施那我想要請教一下因為你開了說明會以後可不可以把說明會的資料提給我一下那就是說到底產業界跟我們民眾有沒有什麼樣相關的反饋或回應那你們是不是本席在這邊當然要建議啊就像在日本整個亞洲國家因為現在這個制度我們是學習歐洲的可是在亞洲國家其實現在沒有任何國家是整個國家全體一致適用的 |
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那台灣這樣子來做適不適合亞洲的環境跟亞洲這麼密集的建築的一個問題以及未來的民怨等等因為本席在這邊已經跟內政部拜託跟國土組拜託很多次了所以拜託還是要這個來瞭解一下不要政策實行下去未來很大的影響最後一個問題我想請教部長 |
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部長最近我相信很多這個民眾都在關心台灣少子化的國安危機因為這個在去年生育率大概是10萬左右今年大概預計才9萬那今年2月其實新聞已經有出來的我們的生育的人口數好像才這個 |
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六千多人一個月才六千多人所以這個生意率非常的少那請問在內政部而言你們有沒有什麼來解決這個少子化的一些方案跟對策報告委員少子化是跨部會包括從國發會衛福部或是教育部都要一起來處理 |
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那跟那個我們的這個內政部相關的部分都是大概在社會住宅的提供那社會住宅提供的部分呢在上個會期的時候呢我們的這個住宅法修正包括我們把婚育宅的比例提高或者他撫養未成年的子女的從12歲提高到18歲 |
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那這個部分我們都要按照委員所通過的這個法律上面來做施行未來我們會提供將近有1000戶以上的這個婚育宅那如果需要配合就是現在興建的社會住宅不夠的話那包租代管業者我們也會從這個方向來加強也就是說我們希望能夠提供給有婚育需求的這些年輕人更多社會住宅上面的一個制度性上的協助好 謝謝表達 希望內政部繼續加油 謝謝好 謝謝張志文委員 |
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接下來我們請王宏威委員發言謝謝好 謝謝主席我請劉部長還有我們地政司司長有請劉部長還有林司長 |
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請問一下住宅三法現在院都還沒有預告我想請問一下你們的草案什麼時候會提出來住宅三法 報告委員我們上個會期住宅法已經修正通過一部分的條文請問一下我在這邊特別關心的就是租賃住宅的這個管理條例 |
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因為我要特別說的是大家在談這個所謂的居住正義那最近我們在看這個整個的房租雖然這個主計處他最新公布的有關於CBI房租的租金的漲幅現在看起來比較趨於緩和但是但是長期以來在我們都會區七都來說這個租金的漲幅 |
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一年的租金漲幅多的話都可以達到8%以上像我們台北市8%以上那也有去統計就是我們的薪資的漲幅比如說過去五年來薪資的漲幅大概只有2%左右但是 |
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租金的漲幅可以到10%或20%所以顯然是不完全不平衡的那我想請問一下我們現在所在推動的租賃住宅的這個管理條例裡面有關於就是說要如何的去讓租金能夠動漲然後讓這個整個的租約能夠穩定我想這事實上是在整個的這個房屋市場大家在高度關注的 |
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所以我想請問若部長搞不清楚的話是不是可以請司長回答我就是你們這個就是住在三法裡面特別是在租金租賃市場的部分你們什麼時候預告然後這個方向是不是已經確定了 |
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有關租賃條例的部分 當然我們都會關心租客自己本身的權益剛剛委員所提到的部分 現在都還沒確定但是我們研議的方向 我請市長跟您報告一下我關心的是第一個 是不是確定要保限制三年的租金不得上漲 |
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跟委員報告一下我們租賃條例之前提出來規劃方向第一個是保障雙方的一個租房客房東的權益包含面對不良的房東房客如何處理時間有限那個部分沒有問題我們把它縮小那第二個部分有關於租期跟租金漲幅的限制的部分我們之前有開公聽會這個方向確定了嗎這個部分的話大家的意見比較分歧所以我們現在也在做一個研議當中所以這個部分還沒有 |
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完全的確定我要特別說的就是這個利益良善希望能夠讓租金動漲但是我們比較擔心的就如同比如說你一杯咖啡一杯咖啡我要規定它三年你不能漲價 |
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但是呢這個時候呢我非常有可能你規定我三年不能漲價那麼我現在賣的時候我就先漲價所以可能造成整個的租金第一波就開始整個的上漲所以這個是非常非常特別要注意的所以到目前為止你們還在研議還沒有完全確定我要特別說的部長我希望我們在談這個居住正義因為我們的社宅現在的這個數量 |
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其實已經跳票了原來要從13萬戶變成4萬戶但是呢有關於租金的負擔率租金負擔率我希望內政部要有一個目標以我們雙北來講 |
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如果你在這個整個的租金市場很多人都講我今天付租金大概是我薪資的一半以上這事實上對於大部分的上班族民眾他的負擔是非常非常的重那我們合理的租金應該把他起碼起碼把他加到三成以下能不能用這個目標來往前面進行否則的話我們談了十多年的居住正義談到現在 |
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租金依然高 房價依然偏高居住綜藝永遠沒有辦法實現報告委員 有關於社宅的部分中央跟地方合在一起的數目之中央是負擔三分之二然後地方負擔三分之一那我們還是朝著這方面來前進那剛剛委員所關心的就是說租客自己本身目前都是滾動性在檢討那個剛剛民主票叫滾動性檢討 再來 |
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租金負擔率租金負擔率剛剛你所提到租金負擔的比例的部分你所提到就是有關於寫在文字上面跟沒有寫在文字上面隱藏性的租金到底在什麼地方其實我們的相關單位也在查查就是包括它到底是不是水電費或是其他的部分把它弄出來之後公佈於是所以我希望你們因為我待會還有一個很重要的題目我希望你們把這個租金負擔率把它 |
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至少在初階要把他定位在在我們的這個薪資的三成以下好不好 因為這才是比較稍微合理的部分但是還要看他的地點啦沒有錯沒有錯啊 可是我們就要努力啊來來來 時間暫停一下我請一下我們移民署的署長好嗎 |
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還是請部長往前因為這個是涉及政策部長這個事實上我在之前的會期我就有提出來因為我們現在大家都說軍警消事實上裡面也包含海巡還有我們的移民署移民署過去很多同仁是從警察分出來的這個應該您很清楚 |
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但是我們現在的這個照護方案就是比較軍人的照護方案不管是他的就醫或者他有沒有這個優惠方案在整個的軍警警消海巡裡面這個的方案獨獨遺漏移民署的同仁 |
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我認為這非常不合理第一個移民署的同仁我過去有講過去他們很多都是警方出身的那另外就是移民署的同仁他在第一線執勤的時候他跟警消很多也同樣具有危險性 |
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過去我們移民署頭人其實受傷的啦或者在第一線執勤的時候被攻擊所在多有多有聽聞所以部長我為什麼要請你來答覆 |
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我們內政部可不可以把這個照護方案獨立移民署的部分把這個洞給補起來讓我們移民署的同仁不會變成好像你的次等同仁在照護方案的時候能夠一律的能夠一視同仁 |
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可不可以謝謝王委員的關心我在過年期間也到專請隊去確實有這樣的現象現在我們的裝備跟配備我們希望可以比照警政署同時您剛所提到的照顧方案的部分我們也希望可以比照現在這個在爭取當中 |
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好大概什麼時候給我們一點時間來協調因為不會是只有內政部我們還要協調其他的相關單位譬如說像人總他們要同意這樣子的一個方法是不是可以一起試用但是他們的心情程度我們都非常清楚我知道那可不可以今年上半年之前把這整個事情定案可以吧報告員定案我不敢講但是朝著這個方向我們來協調一定會告訴我們現在的協調方向 |
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好 所以你這邊就是答應我嘛 就是未來一面的討論我有講到我會來爭取 但是因為不一定是由我們來單獨決定所以我們要 必須要有點時間 讓人家有這個協調的空間但是我相信內政部去爭取的話 對於民主同仁來講 他們可以感受到這份的關心和溫暖然後我也希望能夠在今年上半年 能夠把這個案子定案 |
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因為剛才特別提到就是我們現在包含我們首都的這個警消的加擠這部分我是肯定的不是首都是全台灣都有當然因為我是台北市吧我們長期在對不起我們長期在爭取的是首都加擠當然你是全台灣加擠我們也很肯定但是我覺得就是像這個照覆方案能夠不要遺漏就不要遺漏好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝 |
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接下來我們請王美惠委員主席謝謝主席我們現在內政部長來請劉部長 |
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法定人數不足 平安平安在今年我們立法院有通過一個因應國際情勢的強化的經濟社會和民生國安內省的特別條例嘛我們剛才說叫做國安內省特別預算 |
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在這個過程當中,我們內政部有編了一個六十二億塊錢是要用來強化國土防衛再來又編一個五十億 |
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是要用在改善我們的老宅的安全的問題所以這叫做老宅延遂的計畫在這個過程當中我相信普通跟所有的人跟本市的一樣都覺得這是非常好的進程 |
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但是白色,盲啊盲,淡啊淡,覺得不知道當時我們還用得著在這個過程當中,我也對普通這個政策在必戰 |
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但是在這個過程中,我相信普通人知道,在5年內,2年到27年,有辦一場申請會,我相信裡面也有精粹的內容 |
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家裡吃得好,家裡管得好,婚姻也好,都想說要怎麼去清除他的權利,要怎麼去改善他的老宅因為家裡,我們全國來說,你知道全國的30年以上,有幾百棟嗎? |
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幾百萬太少了五百多五百萬左右有五百萬左右啦在這個過程中因為我們身為一個國會的委員我們是要提供他的訴求也要全國的訴求都要說 |
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莫丁你覺得假期期,假期期有三十六年以上的有幾度?這可能要拜託委員跟我說,但是我再跟委員報告我們這邊,本來五十億的特別醫生是針對三十年以上四年跟六年會集合住宅,跟六年以下會透天住宅 |
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很主持這個方案在3月5號現在還是3月行政院院會已經通過我們預計在5月的時候就會推出來這段期間我們其實跟縣市地方政府正在加強溝通因為要申請老宅延壽是很專業的所以我們希望每一個縣市政府要有一個專案的輔導團隊 |
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那這個專案輔導團隊呢在內政部這邊已經委託出去但是有些縣市政府他的專案輔導團隊譬如說我們要找營造或者是建設或者是住都或者是金融管理的這些形成一個團隊呢還沒有完全完成那我們未來會盡量請他們加快也就是委員去參加的時候同時去介紹都算是一個建築師 |
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他才知道說電視什麼東西,你不可以用眼睛看,你要很專業那這個呢,就是縣市地方政府會很快把它通過之後我們馬上就會到每個縣市,希望他5月就可以來開始申請補充,在這裡我來補充一下,加2次有7萬4千棟的30年以上的老房子 |
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在這個過程當中 我覺得補充這個剛才蘇策委員說他要建築他的新北市那麼多的建築帶一個他本身的故鄉所需要的我相信每一個委員都不會去反對所以在這個過程補充 你知道嗎這個50億對我們來說 |
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完完全全不夠啊尤其在正當有開設平衛有位官司 |
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的政府已經準備好了 但是有的行政委員會 行政委員會不知道但是對地 平常時的管治長很認真 要看中央的政策 要清楚的時候 |
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但是我們沒有認真的人,這樣也不對因為像嘉義市,嘉義市他就知道說這要怎麼建造,要怎麼做是怎麼分析,會再補充一次因為有的不太了解,有的想說應該要我家三十年,要我去台北命要我叫什麼人來讓我鑑定 |
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因為說實在的 部長 我們等於這裡的50億是沒有幾千噸的我們這種的不是以入進展的是要把這些金額流出 金處理好 如果有足夠的公益 |
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可以當作電腿,我們是在這時候才會說補助於一棟九百六十萬耶,沒錯,我剛才也聽到了你的解說,你說的因為很多輩子,覺得說看得到吃不得的,會選擇 |
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因為像今天已經說明了百姓都知道為什麼他就是要當時要去治療給他們要補是要去工作 要給利用 還是要給貸款是不是不知道 |
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所以說保證 本席跟你說的就是你這種政策 很好 但是不可以讓百姓覺得說我會中 吃不中這樣就不好啊來 市長 郭敦市長你有沒有要補充什麼 謝謝委員 |
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其實每個縣市政府 我們從去年開始招募沒有啦 我剛才跟你說的問題 當時可以讓他們使用啦剛才補充意見說五位 是要提供給什麼人我給你回答啦 |
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剛才我講到五位要開始申請 每一個縣市政府所基建的地方都已經出了加以持就是它的督發局但是我剛才講到督發局沒有辦法去輔導所以我們要求所有的縣市政府的輔導團隊事業隊陣型要成立 |
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年後拜託人家輔導團隊跟東京政府去某一個地方再跟社民會說清楚這樣我們這個廠的資料才不會有重疊年後委員會說得對 總共五十億五十億是立法院給鄉鎮的餘生不是說我們欠太多你就是給我們餘生三年後 如果這個成效不錯當然我們會繼續申請希望大院可以支持 |
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我就是跟補廠說,就是大家都很漂亮的,但是現在我最擔心的就是有的被子都後悔了就是說,如果我們有跟主管單位有協議,我們就有辦法去申請如果跟主管單位沒有協議,我們就賠不了啦所以這種的,不要有這個聲音,所以我願望 |
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我們的錢是開的 覺得應該申請的只要幾個禮拜的費用會申請 沒錯跟金正恩市長最近有發生一件問題因為我這陣子的時間已經到了 覺得不要人擔心太多時間 跟我的資料給你一星期後 |
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謝謝主席,我們先請部長來請劉部長 |
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好部長好我這邊也要先來再次爭取啦因為其實去年十月我們幾個民進黨的委員在內政委員會裡面都有共同提了一個提案就是這個深夜的圍牢津貼當時是除了這個駐外的之外我們也認為被勤的同仁也同樣辛苦所以也應該要納入這個範圍 |
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那當時其實署長有說有回去跟人總溝通跟各縣市溝通那是不是請部長署長跟我們說明一下目前溝通的進度當然我要先肯定啦現在錦霄的這個勤務佳績都已經正式核定了嘛那其實是一個很棒的開始那我認為接下來其實還有我們可以做的更多的地方 |
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對 謝謝委員 就是我們在上個會期對於生育未來家屬對於值班或備請就是駐地內的來做一個提升那我們部裡面的這個整個的這個政策是同意的所以我們在去年的11月就報到 |
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行政院去了那這個案就是在現在人總在1月19號那人總我們也去做溝通那目前溝通的狀況我們當然就是部裡面的這幾個單位他認為各單位的這個性質也不太相同那另外他這個人總也認為說這個海巡也要納進來所以人總在1月19號還給各相當各 |
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這個相關單位在這個相關的這個資料在做確診研究當中好所以其實目前算是有一點進展有進展有進展好太好了所以人種其實大致上方向也是同意的 |
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人總現在還在跟各單位在做了解全盤的這個整個的一個狀況的一個資料的一個了解那現在除了我們這個單位之外海巡也要比較來做辦理所以整個案子還在嚴厲當中 |
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好那我在這邊期待好消息啦好謝謝我們署長持續跟人總溝通當然如果未來海巡演納進來是最好是好謝謝署長那再來請教部長喔因為其實今天自由時報的頭版就是說我們要來補助地方的防災協作中心那包括這個全台有365處的防災協作中心每一處可以補助110萬 |
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那這個村裡的相關的村裡處的空間呢可以補助15萬那可不可以說明一下這樣的補助的內容是什麼因為我認為這個國土韌性當然很重要那補助的內容讓我們地方的村里長第一時間知道我相信地方的村里長都會馬上來申請補助讓自己的這個空間變成是最好的防災空間 |
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是謝謝委員長期以來對於消防尤其是我們這個所謂的防災的部分非常的關心我們的主要的目的就是希望說未來的災防的救災救護的工作不是集中在這個縣市或者是中央政府而是地方都要一起 |
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所以我們提出了這個防災協作中心是要下放到鄉鎮公所或者是村裡面那這個部分我們在去年的時候消防署已經跟各地的消防局到各地的這個村裡做一下說明跟溝通也就是我們補助的110萬已經沒有太大的問題那包括偏鄉地區都算在內那同時15萬的部分也是一樣我們碰到大型碰到天災的時候呢村裡辦公室或是鄉鎮公所可以馬上來運用 |
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省得要再調派這些所謂的要支援救災救護的設施會有時間上的壓力那現在執行的情形我請蕭署長跟您做個簡單的說明好 謝謝也拜託署長說明一下這個110萬是用在哪裡這15萬用在哪裡 |
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好 感謝委員關心很感謝立法院去年通過特別預算所以每個鄉鎮市區會有110萬每個村裡會有25萬的經費那這個部分我們也分別訂定防災協助中心的維生設備的計畫還有補助原則跟必要的項目這個部分都已經協調確認過 |
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那在協助中心的部分呢會在今年會執行完畢那村裡的部分會在明年來執行就分兩年度來執行所以我想知道的是可不可以舉例一些什麼樣的項目什麼樣的設施什麼樣的空間譬如說照明燈廣播設備還有我們那個電源的裝備設備 |
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這些設備都是我們在考慮使用的地方當然濾水設備也是我們考慮的我們已經把這個清車列出來所以這樣的這個清單你們都有列出來我們列出來也都有給村里長我們會跟已經跟縣市協調好縣市跟鄉鄰鄉鎮市公所跟村里長這個清單要麻煩清楚然後也讓地方是社區的第一線都是知道的 |
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好謝謝署長因為時間的關係那我這邊有一個還有兩分鐘太好了那我最後一樣我請教一下那個警政署好謝謝 |
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部長也可以先請回座最後我要來請教一下最近一個盜刷的案子因為前幾天有一個盜刷的報導他是說這個竊盜集團專門鎖定人潮密集的地方然後他會偷走民眾的皮夾之後呢直接拿出他們在海外買回來的刷卡機現場實體刷卡 |
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那刷出來之後因為它是實體卡的交易所以銀行端那邊比較難第一時間察覺所以倒刷是常常成功的那有一個民眾他就是在北捷被偷了錢包之後半小時內信用卡的顯示的地址是在沙烏地阿拉伯實體過卡然後就瞬間被刷了十幾萬那這種其實這樣的倒刷的形態也逐漸出現我在這邊想要建議因為他們這種刷卡機其實就是直接從海外買回來嘛 |
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那最近其實經濟部有提出兩個必須要納入進口管理就是網路電話的交換機跟網路電話的閘道機他們必須要納入進口管理就是NCC那邊要先審查那我也認為海外買進來的這種刷卡機是不是也應該納入管理這邊建議署長 |
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我想這次對於這個倒刷這次境外的這個倒刷應該有透過這個實體的這個工具實體卡沒錯那這個部分我們還在追查當中那我個人的建議就是對於那個有關電外的閘道這個已經做管制了那這個倒刷的這個設備當然也是要做管制也能夠杜絕這樣的類似海外的這樣的一個倒刷的狀況 |
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那另外我們現在普遍發現到的倒刷那當然我要特別在這種場合就是要跟全國民眾做一個就是這個要讓你提供卡號還有這些這個這個這個就是還有這些那個 |
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卡號之外還有這些相關的這個號碼就是驗證號碼這個都不能提供這個就是國內倒刷最基本的一個狀況這個其實倒刷其實也有這樣的一個依據你要把你的這個 |
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要你的這個存者你的這個信用卡的這個東西的卡號還有驗證碼相關的使用期限的這個時間提供給別人就等於就是說你把錢提供給別人要去做提領就等於是你自己要提領所以這個一定要特別利用這個場合來做一個宣導所以我在這邊針對這種新型態的這種盜刷犯罪我是具體建議署長你們就回去跟關務署討論就像經濟部他們管制網路電話交換機那樣 |
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直接大陸進口管理沒問題沒問題 這個我們來協助處理好 謝謝來 謝謝黃婕委員接下來我們請張宏祿委員進行詢答謝謝來 我先請部長來 有請劉部長 |
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部長我想請教一下我們內政部現在對比如說服務30年以上的里長然後全國基優的里長這些是不是從現在開始就沒有公開的頒獎公開的給他們一個一個儀式這樣子給他們我們今年並沒有辦 |
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為什麼?你們的考量是什麼? |
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因為去年修了這個民態自己條例之後有規定那個基歐的村里長由這個內政部訂立辦法相關的辦法裡面已經有規定這些村里長由地方來做表揚所以這個相關的一個機制已經存在但他是全國的是你們內政部認可的是對不對是對啊那為什麼那你既然內政部認可的那你為什麼沒有公開表揚 |
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因為現在其實有其他相關的一個規定什麼規定哪一個規定說不頒獎了不公開表揚了一般來講這是有地方政府多數的地方政府也有表揚地方政府本來就有了嘛本來就是相公署也有縣市也有嘛然後最高是內政部嘛他得到是內政部最高的嘛 |
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對不對我只問你啊你們為什麼不公開表揚哪一個法令說現在開始不公開表揚了其實表揚不免法律的一個對啊所以你剛剛跟我講什麼那我就覺得很奇怪啊對我們新訂的一個不是啦你不要跟我繞圈子啦 |
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為什麼不表揚?其實你表揚花不了你多少時間也沒有花多少錢這個隊有了服務30年了好不容易他拚到得到全國內政部最高的認可你們就兩個小時的時間給他一輩子的榮耀對不對你們是不是要思考一下要不要繼續 |
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這個我們可以來做研議做研議齁?這個很簡單,兩個禮拜之後你就可以研議好了吧?因為也涉及到相關地方自治還有...兩個禮拜的時間夠不夠啦?是,可以可以嘛,那這樣就好了嘛,好不好?不然你先坐啦,你先回去坐那再來,那個消防署長 |
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我們今天看到這個報紙或什麼剛有委員問那我們全社會安全任性我想直接請教一下村里長的部分你們有哪些物資是在村里長那邊 |
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感謝委員垂詢我們小紅樹裡面也有這方面的敘述那我們在這...找去書也是你們笑我才笑太緊張太緊張那我們裡面有包括儲物、資訊、個人防護裝備、避難射龍設備跟濾水那個我們都看到啦我們未來要到村里長的哪些物資明確的有哪些 |
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我們有列出清澈,會後再提供給委員你現在就不能簡單舉例喔對,比如說哨子、反觀背心、頭燈、手套還有避難帳篷、綠色設備還有我們比如說儲能電源這些都是避難的帳篷、儲能電源,對嘛這些嘛這些體積大不大 |
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所以我們必須要協調有一個空間把這些物資放在那邊然後真的緊急使用的時候可以來用我很支持這個韌性這個機構我非常的支持但是你要放在村里長那邊 |
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不見得放在村裡我們會找一個儲存場所哪個儲存場所?幫他找嗎?還是他自己去找?應該是來協調啦就什麼地方可以讓物資可以緊急在使用的時候可以用得到所以你現在是還沒協調好還是還不能夠這個保溫是明年的預算來執行明年的預算你今天補座就空了你今天是協助中心的設備這今年要執行我是要提醒你啊 |
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這個我完全都支持但你有些這些我跟你講全台灣有多少村裡沒有李明活動中心我們7748處沒有錯不是啦有多少沒有活動中心你知道嗎這個我不清楚 |
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你不知道嘛我跟你講啦以我們整個新北就以板橋來講126個里只有70個活動中心你還有很多沒有啦這些東西他要放在哪裡 |
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所以這個還在協調啦所以我們要跟村裡好好的溝通找到適當的宿舍那這些物資是我要跟署長你說的在一般非都市化的地方你要找這個地方比較容易啦可能廟啦可能誰家的這個比較容易放啦但在都會區的地方寸土寸金 |
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你要怎麼協調 你要去哪裡找因為我們這一次的編日預算每個村里是四五萬塊那四五萬塊我們在盤點說有哪些是必要的那這個部分再來確認說每個村里到底你愛什麼東西 |
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那要放在什麼地方可能有收納場所啦這些物資儲存場所都可以來放我也給我們一些時間我知道你現在講的就是一個理想就是你一個計畫那我現在聽你這樣子的回答可能你的細部啊你的還沒規劃到那吧對我們先從今年鄉鎮施工所會做那明年度是春禮七千多的春禮明年計畫來執行對啊 |
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你明年就要做了啊所以同步才執行來考慮我以我的經驗你要村里長這些有的很多地方尤其都會區他沒有地方放 |
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但沒有地方放我不是說不做喔我是說你要及早因應喔你要去處理喔他沒有活動中心的人叫他放在他家喔他絕對不會答應的啦對不對他絕對不會答應的嘛所以你應該去盤點有的 |
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郊區的他雖然沒有里民活動中心但他有社區活動中心對不對但那不是村里長可以去管轄的那不是他對不對這個很多東西我是要提醒你要儘早去盤點你不要到時候這筆錢然後買的東西下去結果變成到時候村里長跟你講說他沒有辦法他沒有怎樣我擔心的不是他沒有地方放 |
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你這些東西是不是所有是要列冊?要不要?當然要列冊啊對嘛 當然要列冊嘛啊到時候如果少了一樣的話哇 問題勒 麻煩囉對不對?是對啊 所以你們要及早去因應這個問題啦是好 謝謝委員關心好 謝謝委員好 謝謝張宏祿委員 |
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接下來我想要做一個說明基於立法院韓院長上個禮拜協商法律的結論我會尊重李貞秀女士上台發言但是行政院立場也表明得非常清楚我也尊重行政院不必回應這個會議謝謝接下來我們請李貞秀女士上台發言 |
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我再重申一次基於海運長上個禮拜對於法律協商的結論我們委員會尊重李貞秀女士上台發言但我們也尊重行政院目前所有的結論行政官員可以不必尋答而且可以不必提供資料 謝謝 |
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韓院長 請主席才是今天在內政委員會其實本來應該要討論民生議題顯然內政部的態度就是不關心民生只想做政治鬥爭民進黨政府根本不關心居住正義請主席做出公正才是如韓國瑜院長所指示尊重立法院已經就任的立法委員謝謝主席 |
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謝謝李政修女士,我還是尊重你的發言不好意思,那個主席時間請暫停,權宜問題不能佔用我的時間,謝謝來,請你繼續發言OK,對,那所以就是有請劉部長上台,謝謝我們尊重行政院,行政院的官員可以不用上台那時間繼續暫停,謝謝,我再等 |
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今天內政部代表行政部門來立法院備詢,內政部有義務要站上質詢,來接受質詢行政部門這樣的態度意義何在?是否藐視國會?請主席猜試我覺得行政立法互相尊重,所以說我們也尊重行政院,行政院官員可以不用上台所以所有的委員會也都會遇到,我們尊重李貞秀女士的發言 |
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其實台灣是法治國家,國人都在看,中華民國憲法還在這邊任何一個立法委員的資格,要請依循法律判決今天假設我質疑劉旭發女士,我質疑她貪污的話,難道她今天就沒有資格任內政部部長了嗎? |
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是不是要等到法律判決 起碼我要先去提告然後等法庭三審判決定讞他的貪污罪才成立所有的官員都沒有這個法律的問題但是李貞秀女士目前的這個身份是有法律問題法律判決了嗎 主委 |
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有人提到了嗎?法律判決了嗎?韓院長已經裁示我現在是合法的中華民國立法委員謝謝主席請主席保持公正我再次重申法律不能用協商的所以我們尊重李貞秀女士對,我也尊重判決,謝謝那我們是不是可以開始繼續時間 |
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但是我要請劉部長先上台行政院的官員可以不用上台備選OK好我也不好意思耽誤剩下的委員的時間那我今天就來問好了啦一樣繼續時間沒有關係好謝謝李貞秀女士 |
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那居住正義被所有國人關注本席要問賴清德總統選前提出社會住宅從蔡總統的12萬戶加碼至13萬戶現在只剩下4萬戶請問劉部長這算不算公然跳票 |
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你們一邊盤點9.4萬戶設宅用地一邊享用土地不足蓋了也沒人住當作政策跳票的藉口盤點花了納稅人那麼多預算現在變4萬戶請告訴國人剩下的5.4萬戶要怎麼處理所以目前行政院都是沒有回應就對了 |
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再來國土署署長那我有請國土署署長上台好嗎我這次重申我們尊重李貞秀女士的發言時間暫停所以要等嗎還是我繼續 |
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繼續好了好謝謝這個國人都在看了希望大家用選票給出公正的回應謝謝好再來國土署署長提到不蓋社宅的理由是市區精華地近乎用盡即便興建 |
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也可能因區位或需求不足而沒有人租本心要問為何不導入TOD我們台灣民進黨的創黨主席柯文哲在台北市長任內就已經有成功的案例內政部在蔡政府時期對這些工具也非常了解為何賴政府不做 |
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所以這個政府一直在蔡政府時代陸配參政就任沒有任何問題到賴政府的時候行政部門全體抵觸他不喜歡的立法委員再來你們一直強調社會住宅一直強調會有社宅新辦計畫送進來但住團已經明確控訴內政部2024年8月就已經提 |
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處下階段設宅新辦計畫行政院到今天都還沒有核定到底什麼時候才會核定完成所以這個也是沒有答案所以這個劉部長要回答嗎 |
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OK好所以一樣劉部長任何的問題民眾的任何問題都沒有回應我們繼續請問劉部長你知道現在有多少人在等社會住宅嗎好一樣不知道是嗎那你不知道我來告訴你現在民眾登基受宅抽籤比中樂透還難 |
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結果我們看到的是什麼就以林口社宅為例被媒體住戶爆料說園區裡面目前上百戶的社宅空在那邊不只少了租金收入也為園區的安全也成為園區的安全隱患 |
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民眾候補已經排到了1400多號這在資源配置上顯然有重大的疏失怎麼可能一邊人民搶破頭一邊還有社宅閒置在哪請部長給國人一個理由部長一樣不回應嗎 |
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請大家看看民進黨政府那個劉士芳部長有多傲慢我接下來開始叫劉士芳女士住都中心讓社宅空的不給住民眾看得到吃不到不好意思這裡可以幫我請那個住都中心的董事長花敬群董事長上台嗎我們一樣尊重行政院的態度謝謝 |
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OK 好 所以大家看看這個傲慢的行政團隊 謝謝任何未來如果他不喜歡的立法委員這個比罷免好用啊好 我們繼續住都中心讓社宅空的不給住民眾看得到吃不到 |
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證明了駐都中心管理成效不彰然而駐都中心的人事費用連年增加從114到115四年間已經暴增超過兩倍大家可以看那個圖表 |
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四年間社宅不蓋 可是人事費用暴增兩倍聽到了很多傳言變成 而且人員流動率是異常的頻繁聽說是變成 所以現在駐都中心少蓋社宅 |
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每年的薪水獎金還可以不斷加碼所以我就要請問內政部部長跟駐都中心的董事長請問現在駐都中心已經變成坐領甘心的酬庸中心了嗎?這要回應一下嗎?國人很想知道 |
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最後社會住宅政策是重大的民生議題社宅新辦不能選前開支票選後騙選票就例如賴總統去看陸配的店家一樣但是他的行政團隊今天在國會抵制陸配委員 |
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本席要求第一競速核定新一波社宅興建計畫賴總統任期已經過了兩年多還在空轉除了大罷免大家對賴政府還有任何印象嗎再來打陸配這是可以大概新聞可以超過大罷免了OK |
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就是第一號本席要求競速核定新一波社宅興建計劃賴總統的任期已經過了兩年多還在空轉請內政部提出時程報告兩個禮拜內提交給內政委員會的所有委員所以這樣就表示如果劉部長不回應表示兩個禮拜沒有問題 |
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好再來第二請內政部協同相關單位立刻盤點閒置社宅數量了解閒置原因提出相對政策將書面報告於三個禮拜內送來給內政委員會第三請駐都中心解釋人事支出四年暴增兩倍的理由一個禮拜內以書面報告書面資料送交內政委員會謝謝主席 |
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我要請問那個吃台灣米喝台灣水長大的民進黨高官請記得你是中華民國的內政部部長不是民進黨的內政部部長你的薪水也是中華民國所有納稅人的薪水而不是民進黨發給你薪水也並不是你的台灣國發給你薪水請尊重中華民國憲法謝謝謝謝李貞秀女士的發言 |
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接下來我們請丁薛忠委員發言報告委員會丁薛忠委員發言之後我們會休息五分鐘那也可以請內政部等一下在休息的時間可以針對民眾的提問如果有不正確的地方可以對社會做出一些解釋謝謝來請丁薛忠委員詢答謝謝真的我們是希望說 |
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要有光榮的心,政府真的要有多元化社會的理想好來我請國土署蔡署長來請蔡署長 |
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署長好 署長我們現在分離關在推動這個麥寮綠色產業加值園區 都市界已經管理更緊 現在才有定數上來 我們來到委員會的選擇這個案子年九月上到中央 地方大家都非常期待 希望可以比較快完成 將有釋定我們現在選擇的進度到達 |
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向委員報告 因為這次19年到現在國土署才開始召開那個都市教育委員會裡面的小組審查 因為裡面的案裡面那些相關的問題很多所以一個一個 要再去到地方確定一些 |
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要變更的一些必要性等等所以這個問題地方政府過一段時間應該會再審過審過以後我們會再加速把這個案子撒去稍後稍後如果過就去到党委會這樣我們就來加速辦理這關於說稍後如果這個案子審起來我們就速度要加快地方都很期待另外一個案子就是我們大廣東柏基山岩湖這個案子也審過我們來党委員會的選擇 |
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在這裡請問市長 國情的進度是怎樣?國情有在裡面開過一次會 後這個案有開過一次會 我們就有這個意見 再做一些修正後面我們有跟我們的一些同仁 跟我們的委員會加速來去辦理 |
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三峽分區的生命,對地方的三峽非常強壯,能夠促進零卡索增加,促進到就業機會,所以這個國分可能要拜託國土署,我們加快照顧,再跟我們道上講一下。再來,我請我們県政署張署長, |
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蔡署長你再請回座謝謝署長好新年快樂新年快樂我們行政議定國會我們有算過我們三個開始盡情加急調整生肖我們檢察棟林的這個課程其實短期久我直接要請問說我們這個條件的內容到底是什麼 |
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6871.685 |
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這個調整有能力的部分就是全國的經濟價值六多的部分台北市掉薪白加本來一倍加到1.3倍另外四多對於0.7個加到一倍 |
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6897.559 |
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那台灣縣的各警察局就是提升到0.4倍我們府裡面也是一樣0.4那對於經營的三維車運可以來實施那現在我有交代我們府裡面的局長就把管理部報告因為我們那個理事會經營又夠希望就是管理黨以後到管理委員會去合併那可以追溯到3.6以後就可以來發放 |
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這個國分,這個公然 |
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有增加這個增加教育補助嗎?教育補助沒有,這是省錢加值這就是,這是勤務的繁重加值啦教育補助是沒有關係的?平時專業大概增加一千九百四十我們的平時的保温就是本來是零點六點到零點八,到零點二我們說零點幾的,定於換算做授意就是差不多三千幾到三千左右啦 |
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6937.031 |
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阿咪哥的政綱,三千以下三千多左右好,現在第二問題就是像我們這種婚姻關係、婚姻直辭事的關係這次新政綱的情侶、觀眾、家族、相機跟零電視是這個 |
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6954.021 |
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6961.167 |
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財力量是十幾斤才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才有才 |
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6981.704 |
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7005.076 |
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特別的想法目前我們婚姻經濟教育這個議程的理事會是有交的?理事會有交有交有交有交所以我們實際有辦法不可以再另外再加一筆錢來支付這個錢不用再另外不用不用因為這個理事會用來支付這一筆的那個房仲傑是夠的我們有核算過啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7010.058 |
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好 感謝署長 現在就是基層員警我們正在進行質詢的過分 警察是一個登記存在性的危險問題 高官罪有比較多高官罪最多 像現在官員要圍牢今天11個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7030.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7039.549 |
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做加班費嘛 我們的加班費的上限可以到一萬九千塊一萬九千塊可以到一萬九千我們這個過分性可以再調整一下我們來 剛才議員 這我們再來演繹看完啦對啦 今天議員 真的是非常辛苦我們每一天在記者 我們每次都看得到我們每次都看得到 希望說他們可以 |
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7056.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7059.118 |
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可以讓我們中央政府來重視他們的生活感謝委員謝謝委員我請我們的消防署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7073.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7080.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
市長好 新年快樂我們這次行政院調整了警察的一些法律但是我們的消防領域怎麼會作法納入?有已經做了所以同樣的標準 警察跟消防 同樣的標準是不是有關心? |
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7108.715 |
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他們有非常大的信心就是我們中央跟地方都全力來支持他們讓他們對著這個地安問題救災問題他們都可以全力以赴來替我們地方解決這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7117.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7129.3 |
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所以我們現在有重視到他們的辛苦有來自他們的福利來增加這也是我們非常期待非常高興的一個結果再過一陣子我們警政署、消防署我們就加油還有一個海巡署海巡署也非常辛苦也非常辛苦我們還是要跟他們到處去 |
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要處理巡邏的海巡署,他們經常做巡邏的業務,但是他們的服務情緒可能就有差,這個國分可能要相關的,怎麼調整給他一樣,這個國分照顧好,結束 |
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7351.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7353.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
7448.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7450.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
谢谢观看 欢迎订阅 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7580.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
我們都要在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7616.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
來,我們繼續再來幾位,我們請李柏毅、趙薇,出席謝謝美會主席請劉世芳部長請保重 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7641.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7655.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
來,周圍好來,我們休館兩人間 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7672.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7672.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
好抱歉委員會抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7722.055 |
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我的個人的看法那我也認為還是要講一下各黨派的立法委員還有全國的公職人員包含劉部長在內我們都應該要遵守國籍法只有單一國籍在還沒有放棄就就職的情況下 |
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7726.516 |
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我認為剛才的李貞秀女士她在韓國瑜院長的裁定裡面在我的看法是因解職未解職那所以我會尊重行政院一貫的態度讓今天內政部還有所屬的官員可以不用上台詢答剛我的意思是這樣子那我來說明一下立法委員他在質詢台 |
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跟他下了諮詢台以後可以做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7760.66 |
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他剛剛可以在執行台裡面他是質疑設宅政策質疑設宅數量質疑居住正義下了台之後他可以做什麼我跟各位說明內政部可以做什麼我也請劉部長回應來劉部長請問我們的關鍵基礎設施的防護包含警政署裡面保二總隊對於電廠水廠通訊中心科學園區等等這些保護方案有沒有可能 |
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| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7818.109 |
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有國安的疑慮的問題如果這個資料提供給疑似有中國籍的人士的話他會涉及什麼依照中華人民共和國的情報法他們的任何公民都應該要配合情報工作喔他們都可以跨海通緝我們的立法委員沈伯陽請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7820.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7834.642 |
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如果剛才有立委他在下了質詢台之後他表面上他是在問這個社宅政策但是他一直叫你去辦公室問這個關鍵75設施的相關的這些內容來署長你來回應好了 |
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7850.544 |
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來一張 謝謝委員你能給嗎那這個關鍵詩都是機密的這個相關的這個資料那如果有簽署到會赦免當然是不能給好 謝謝署長 來 部長 |
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謝謝委員的指教我還是要重申李貞秀女士她有國籍法的疑義其實在立法院的院長在協商的時候也提到在相關事實查明之前以及司法最終判決之前 |
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7870.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7888.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
其實對於他的職權行使是予以尊重那我要跟各位報告我們的中華民國的政府官員是依法行政依這個法第一個國籍法的主管機關就是在內政部當我們對於有一個立法委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7917.633 |
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他有國籍法疑義的時候當然要回到國籍法來處理而且我們已經多次重申到目前為止從李貞秀女士到職前的前一天都沒有收到任何官方的放棄中華人民共和國的資料就表示李貞秀女士要對外回答她是不是否認她是中國人而且剛剛李博義朝委提個非常清楚 |
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7918.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7935.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
雙重國籍的人擔任公職基於公務人員跟國家是一個特別緊密的忠誠跟信任關係在內政部所屬的不是只有警政署包括我們的甚至國土署或者是包括我們的消防署 |
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7935.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7956.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
都有機密的文件跟機密的預算我想李委員非常清楚我們在去年啊在內政委員會也曾經審查機密預算那在審查機密預算裡面所提供的任何資訊資料設備等等這些公文書都是需要立法委員來保密的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7976.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
而不是立法委員的助理所以我們基於對國家的忠誠度而且基於我們公務人員要依法行政的立場所以對於李貞秀女士的所知或者是質詢或是相關類似向立法委員的一個資料的提供呢愛難照辦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
8005.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
我再說明一下加強一下除了內政部大家看到內政委員會表面上都是講社宅啦那其實內政部包含全民防衛民防體系警政署的關鍵基礎設施的防衛還有警政署的警政跟反恐的情資還有移民署的國境管理還有生物識別還有國土署的地級以及敏感圖資我請問有哪一項是中共不想要的 |
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8034.453 |
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每一項他都想要啊那你在他的框架裡面拿到這一些這還只是內政委員會喔各位可以接受如果在國防委員會外交委員會更多的這些機密請問國人可以接受嗎我是完全不能接受再者幫我秀一下他在就職相關規定裡面我形容一下那個民政司長在嗎 |
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8036.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8062.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
來,市長我請問一下我們現在的婚姻是登記制還是公開宴客制?護證師,對不起請問一下我們現在的婚姻制度是公開宴客、公開儀式還是要登記?報告委員是登記制韓院長的才智就是公開儀式制啦他說李女士已經就職了,宣誓就職了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8083.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
但是所以我們尊重韓院長尊重他的這個行使的權益他在立法院我們這個國籍法的相關規定的回覆書裡面他勾的是他沒有取得外國籍這偽造文書第二個我形容的是怎樣 |
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8111.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
假設一對情侶他已經公開宴客辦了三桌親友都有來他們聲稱他們已經是夫妻了去到戶政事務所發現沒有你現在還沒有離婚這樣怎麼辦所以我們對於公職人員還有民意代表我們的就職真的是比婚姻制度還要寬鬆 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
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憑良心的啦用灰就可以啦所以我是反對這種做法就是韓院長認為公開宣示過他就是立法委員我反對因為他沒有辦法合法登記為台灣的立法委員部長你可以回應一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
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非常謝謝委員所提供的資料確實也是這樣的資料現在內政部也發函請立法院的秘書長可以把李貞秀女士是否有勾本人於就任第11屆立法委員時未取得外國國籍這人事處長有證實 |
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對,但是我們需要有書面的部分那如果是書面的部分的話,那就表示說他可能是偽造文書那如果是公務員偽造文書的話,在台灣是刑法要入罪的好,謝謝部長,謝謝謝謝,我們感謝李博義、趙偉就選大家高精素美高精素美,高精素美 |
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8187.092 |
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8198.438 |
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高清信的委員敢不敢說來,不在,再來羅民財的委員好,來,羅民財,羅民財,羅民財不在我們要問五分鐘,謝謝 |
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8449.925 |
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8474.185 |
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謝謝接下來我們請鄭正前委員上台詢答謝謝謝主席我想請一下劉世芳部長有請劉部長鄭委員好部長好在上個會期的時候其實在上個會期大概 |
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1月19號的時候我有質詢過一件事情就是針對於因為內政部從2021年開始那個當時花次長內政部的次長花次長他就曾經表明就是未來興建的社會住宅要同時符合綠建築、智慧建築還有耐震三大標章 |
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8497.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8517.326 |
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同時在注意中心的施工規範及施工和材料管理標準在09341鋪地專第2.1.3也明文寫著地專的形式其等級應符合設計圖說、濾件材及環保標章並應符合CNS9737及統包需求說明書之規定 |
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我剛剛講的部分應該都沒有問題吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
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都沒有問題你講一下謝謝委員的關切不要指點頭啦我剛剛那些部分都沒有問題吧沒有問題那我當時的時候有特別提到了就是有關於人無安居社會住宅的問題因為我們收到了一些檢舉就說他們說 |
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8553.757 |
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8576.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
人武IMG的工業現場上面堆了很多越南製的瓷磚沒有綠建材的標章也沒有納入綠建材資料庫沒有環保標章也沒有綠建材的證書針對這個部分我跟劉部長這邊先重新回顧一下因為在 |
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8593.131 |
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今年的1月19號我們的委員會當中的時候當時花董事長是直接表示在一個禮拜之內要把這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8594.292 |
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8609.265 |
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仁武安居社宅的統包需求說明書還有持專相關材料送審案核准的文件還有現場實際使用建材的清澈還有綠建材積分表跟審查的報告要一個禮拜之內給我 |
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那當時你也回答的說沒有問題當然一個禮拜之內一定可以給本席的資料那因為本席也認為這個不是現有的資料要一個禮拜提供我覺得應該綽綽有餘所以我也非常相信就是花董事長這邊的一個執行力結果我們到今天為止的時候 |
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沒有任何的資料回來我們主動去電住都中心住都中心說他們已經準備好了是國土署跟內政部這邊卡到我們就追了國土署國土署就說是住都中心這邊還沒有把東西弄完整送出來我想請教一下劉世芳部長因為住都中心跟國土署都是你這邊的相關的單位 |
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8685.096 |
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那我在想說光是一個這樣提供資料的一個事情然後花董事長也表示一週內綽綽有餘可以提供出來結果到現在已經49天了都還沒有送進來我們打電話去也是你推我我推你大家互推可不可以請部長回答一下這件事情然後什麼時候要給本席報告委員我想到我這邊來卡關是完全沒有的事情 |
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8685.876 |
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那如果說這個部分牽涉到弊案的話不是真的綠建材我們當然會馬上來辦理但是您是不是給這個花董事長跟您稍微解釋一下就是這怎麼一回事一點點時間就好了好嗎好謝謝委員關心我想這一些這個案場綠建築 |
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8706.589 |
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8724.697 |
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綠建材要到六成以上這個是符合規定那那個瓷磚確實是越南製但是他確實也有送國家的綠建材的審查也都是符合國家的標準也都通過好啦 那你先回到標準都有送審也都通過你就把資料給我就好啦 |
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結果一個禮拜不給我們去店的時候你們說是國土署卡說是內政部這邊卡我們打到國土署去國土署說你們這邊沒有準備好資料那到底是怎麼一回事部長你說你這邊不會卡我絕對相信這麼小的事情不需要你這邊來卡可是問題是提供資料這麼一個簡單的事情的時候住地中心跟國土署這邊跟內政部這邊就可以推來推去我們到現在都還沒有拿到資料那 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
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董事長你這邊說他所有的資料都符合所以我們用的這些資料你一份都沒有送來啊各位報告啊其實同仁感勝的地方關心的地方就是說他可能是屬於廠商內部的資料那所以說其實我們都有資料我們也確定他是符合規定的資料但是他涉及到 |
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你們就口頭上說你們有資料我們怎麼能夠完全理解怎麼來不去懷疑說是不是駐多在包庇特定的廠商所以光是一個這樣子簡單的資料提供你們都可以不斷的推然後之前我們跟所有的部會要資料的時候如果說他們一個禮拜承諾的時間沒有了他們都會先來打電話來說什麼樣的原因結果 |
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8795.405 |
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都沒有打電話內政部也沒有任何單位打電話我們打電話去追你們就推來推去部長請好好處理這件事情主席站起來了你們這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
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8827.942 |
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如果覺得說他們完全合法合規那就把資料提供出來我們檢視一下沒有問題就拍拍手就結束了結果你們不給資料我們不得不懷疑是不是住宅中心特定的包庇特定的弊案不讓這事情曝光政委員我想是這樣子除了牽涉到個人資料保護法的話我們一定會馬上提供好嗎 |
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好,我們就會持續追這個事情,請不要互推,部長請編一下這件事情,不要讓下面的人互推好不好?這個會不會告訴我的答案?好的,謝謝好,謝謝,請內政部盡速提供,謝謝鄭委員接下來我們請登記發言的陳培瑜委員,謝謝對不起,我先把前面的唸一下 |
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8854.817 |
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8881.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
來 邱志維委員 邱志維委員 邱志維委員不在我們請邱毅英委員 邱毅英委員 邱毅英委員不在我們請林柱英委員 林柱英委員 林柱英委員不在我們請羅志強委員 羅志強委員 羅志強委員不在我們請陳培宇委員上台詢答 謝謝主席辛苦了 我們以後都學會要念三次 好 謝謝我們要請內政部長 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8886.793 |
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8900.15 |
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陳委員好部長有一個難題我們共同來討論但我認為今天其實應該站在我對面的是韓國瑜院長因為上一個禮拜我們針對李珍秀女士的就職的事情我們請韓院長做出相關的決議 |
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8901.872 |
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在上個會期的時候結果呢他不願意就事實查明的部分韓院長跟秘書處都沒有動作那非常荒謬的是我們民進黨團從上個會期提案到現在韓國瑜院長竟然就法律事實查明的部分卸責然後拖延結果呢到這個會期更荒謬的是召開黨團協商那所有的法律人都告訴我們你們立法委員只能立法你們沒有資格解釋法律 |
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8929.125 |
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結果韓國院長用黨團協商當然是不會有共識結果他就說待事實查明跟司法案件出爐之後再行處理可是我想要跟部長討論一件事情假設現在根據早上召委的宣布部長們可以不用回答李貞秀女士的所有問題可是也可以不用提供資料對不對 |
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目前現在這樣的做法可能只會落在內政委會因為目前李貞秀她是內政委會的成員之一可是我要問假設韓國瑜院長他決定跟李貞秀站在一起然後他用理法院長的高度對各位行政機關的首長們下達一個命令說你們必須要履行答詢的義務跟提供資料的義務請問部長我們怎麼辦 |
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8980.628 |
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9005.572 |
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報告委員我想這個部分在院長的高度我想他有他的想法但是中華民國所有的政府官員都是依法行政所以在內政委員會尤其內政部來講我們是國籍法的主管機關在現在李貞秀女士還沒有告訴我們她放棄中華人民共和國的申請文件之前這已經非常清楚 |
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9032.147 |
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包括他提供給立法院人事處的資料我們現在也希望立法院可以告訴我們是什麼時候提供的是否有讓公務人員偽造公文書的嫌疑啊那有這樣子的疑慮還沒有解釋清楚之前或是釐清之前內政部所有的官員大概就不會以李貞秀女士現在是一個合法合規的中華民國立法委員來提供相關的規範上面應該給的公文書 |
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9034.588 |
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9051.954 |
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部長的態度非常的明確而且說法也非常的清楚我希望韓國瑜立法院長不要到時候要跟李哲秀要跟民眾黨站在一起為虎作倉到時候要用院長的高度去壓迫我們所有行政官員我就必須要再透過今天的質詢跟韓國瑜 |
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9054.056 |
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9068.014 |
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說清楚講明白我要公開呼籲韓國瑜院長同時我要跟部長回應您剛剛所說的一件事情我們辦公室呢要求韓國瑜院長呢必須要把李徵授報到就職的時候他所填寫的那一張雙重國籍的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
9091.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
希望他可以交出來結果到目前為止呢他不願意交出來他回給我們的說法是說在3月11號院長召開的黨團協商會議中呢已經有相關的公務人員回覆委員的詢問所以他不願意交出這個書面資料我認為事實查明這件事情如果在立法院院長的高度不願意面對國人所有的懷疑跟 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
疑問我認為這是院長的問題所以我要再次強調事實查明絕對是立法院的工作他不能只是讓李貞秀公了一個謊言然後使公務人員登載不實的這個問題要讓公務人員自行承擔我當然也非常感謝部長剛剛非常堅定的態度跟相關法規的說法另外也跟部長報告另外一件事情我也想要跟您請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
我們現在手上有一張這個是中選會會給我們每一個立法委員報到的時候我們要尤其是不分區登記提名的時候關於國籍的申請調查表而這張調查表每一個立法委員都要交其中裡面包含 |
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9129.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
候選人的消極資格的要求裡面其實有提到如果你有雙重國籍的問題或者是領用大陸地區的護照或是在大陸地區設有戶籍甚至是大陸地區人民香港及澳門地區居民經過許可進入台灣非在台灣設有戶籍滿10年不得登記為候選人這個是所謂消極要件我想部長您當過立法委員非常清楚我們都會填這張單子 |
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9155.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9175.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
我們辦公室呢在上一個禮拜跟中選會要這個資料希望關於李貞秀的報導資料他們可以提供讓大家知道李貞秀除了在立法院欺騙公務人員之外在中選會的部分有沒有欺騙國人一樣佼佼不實的資料結果到目前為止中選會給我們的回覆是這是他本人的個資 |
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9177 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9204.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
沒有辦法公佈沒有辦法提供那我就公開的呼籲中選會我也要拜託韓國瑜院長這個部分關於機密的部分包含身份證字號啊他的居住地方啊這些關於個人的隱私我當然認為可以不要公佈可是就消極要件的部分我也想聽聽看部長您的看法因為就消極的部分把身份證號碼碼起來之後其實他到底是勾哪一個他有沒有承認他自己到底有沒有這個東西我認為這也非常的重要 |
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9219 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
包括委員中選會在一開始審查所謂的政黨不分區委員資格的時候確實有向委員所提示這個申請書那就我們側面的了解他這個申請書可能沒有簽名沒有蓋章 |
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9219.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9240.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
可能沒有簽名沒有蓋章但是我不敢確認因為我沒有拿到正式的公文書那如果沒有簽名沒有蓋章的狀況之下他不只是讓這個公務人員呢變成是一個登載不實同時對於提名他的民眾黨說不定他也是登載不實不是黨本身而是這個人對於黨 |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9260.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
對於民眾黨所以這個部分當然就是在立法院的韓院長在當時就是說上個禮拜跟各個黨團有提到沒有達成共識有一個部分叫做又有事實及法律有待釐清之處的一點 |
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9260.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9281.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
第一個 呈報到立法院人事處的公文書到底有沒有完成或者是有沒有真實第二個 呈報到中選會裡面的一個不分區立法委員的申請書或者是登記書有沒有把所有的程序完成那這個呢 都是有待事實跟法律要釐清之處 |
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韓國瑜院長那個部長把我要講的話講完了我就是要教韓院長你的事實查明可以做這兩件事情一是在你立法院的文件李徵秀報告的時候簽了什麼第二個他們民眾黨交給中選會的資料李徵秀到底簽了什麼寫了什麼就這兩件事實你查都不查做都不做結果就是全台灣都要等著看一個極大黑箱的立法院再次謝謝部長就法規範的堅持還有對國家忠誠的敬道責任謝謝 |
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謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝陳培宇委員 謝謝接下來我們請吳祁銘委員詢答謝謝好 三位一位同仁請我們內政部部長 |
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委員好部長好今天早上大家都為了李徵秀的事情大家都在討論那我們還是要針對我們的體制來走本席這邊還是比較關心的就是社會住宅社會住宅現在的住宅是全國統一申請登記的平台 |
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這個政策非常好因為我們的社會住宅在一般的民眾的需求是非常的高尤其年輕人大家都抱著非常高的意願所以說在這個社會住宅在推動的過程中 |
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我們設立與統一的申請平台有一個好處,不用在各縣市申請,因為各縣市會有疑慮,是公平性的問題 |
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在我們中央第一年一定要透明化大家都會期待我什麼時候補得到那你這整個資訊透明化那個民眾他就沒這個餘力所以就是我們政府的德政 |
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所以說在這件我希望說我們的社會住宅現在普遍我們的一些年輕人大家對我們這個社會住宅的推動大家都抱著非常高的期待是不是請博長來回答 |
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委員全國統一申請登記平台也是我們上一次在修正住宅法的時候放到裡面去好處就是剛才委員所講的部分第一個要全國有統一的規範然後再來比較能夠有一致性同時目前是採取各個地方政府跟我們的社宅一起來做這個銜接但是地方政府的銜接確實每個地方政府會有落差 |
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所以如果建置全國的統一平台的時候呢我們可以把說服資料還有攝服的資料譬如說縣市地方政府對於中低收入戶或是低收入戶他的認定資格本來都不相同但是我們把它放在統一平台裡面去的時候呢會認定他是不是符合登記社會住宅這樣的資格尤其是年輕人他說不定跨 |
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縣市來申請社會住宅是有幫助的但是現在這個部分我們必須要把它能夠數位化還有跟各縣市地方政府來合作所以我們預計要在117年之前會完成這個登記平台 |
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因為我們還是要加快因為這是民眾覺得公平性大家的信賴度會更高這是我們好的進程我們都要盡快去推動再來就是我們的包租貸款包租貸款我剛才問我們的董事長現在全國也有10萬戶的包租貸款這成績還是不錯 |
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但是後面一些配套我們還是要要把它規劃的更為完善其實我們現在民眾很多都是因為買不出買不出 |
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他就要來做出,這都屬於比較弱勢團體所以說在這個弱勢團體,我們要怎麼來說像我們這個平台來推動,讓他們可以做到比較合格的價格但是你說剛才合格的價格,我們也不能說去圖利他們很多的,大家都是整間公司來做人 |
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也不能去圖利到這些房東啦我們要再想出一套的配套措施這是未來我們還要再去研究針對於我們的那個老宅延朔老宅延朔的問題其實我們在我們的新北這個都會區我們都知道那個處都三四十年了其實三四十年的處 |
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很多都是需要說來做補償像說我們的過去0403這個地震這就噴射到山窟土層就發生這個圍爐的問題所以說在這個情形你說在五月份就要上路那目前的經費 |
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都還沒通過那未來會不會影響 抱歉這3月5號的時候行政院的院會報告已經通過了我們現在是請 譬如說新北市他必須要有一個專業的輔導團隊能夠成立 因為要行政的人 不能說政策這麼這麼這樣到時候不會過的 說我們配人我們現在中央國土署已經有輔導團隊但是每個縣市政委也要有輔導團隊 這樣比較好處理啦 |
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是 因為在我們新北 這個的老宅 它這個比例非常高每一邊的地方 就是都有很多危老的出現但是我跟委員報告一下 老宅延壽 第一項就是要經過耐震評估啦你如果是耐震評估不合格 可能也沒希望 你可以來申請 可能你要走危老 |
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還是土耕比較好因為你本來的地盤有危險,你又把它修修這樣不對這樣反而危險,不符合我們老宅延壽的補貼或者是協助修繕的目標 |
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因為這是一個很好的政策民族也是很期待尤其是在這種五樓的房子、四樓的房子這種以前旅行的公屋房子四樓、六樓或是六樓以下的套廳你要說整個來做都市更新還是有困難所以這個老齋元素這個部分、這個政策是非常好這個部分我們要繼續努力好 謝謝 |
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謝謝吳啟明委員接下來我們請徐欣盈委員去詢答 謝謝謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長 |
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首先本席想就道路改善工程跟交通執法的問題來跟您就教首先第一個我們看到114年全國路口不停讓行人違規的案件有12.6萬 |
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我們看到業務報告裡面寫114年1月到9月科技執法的設備取締重大違規有119萬3659件 |
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那我們絕對不是反對執法但是我們想探討的是如果道路設計本身沒有改好那人民卻一直看到更多的照相機那並不是看到更多的安全這種情況下 |
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報告委員 我覺得兩組都需要 |
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因為工程改善需要時間不是 工程改善需要時間但是現在每天發生車禍的時候就是還是需要有執法人員強力執法所以兩者一定要並行好 兩者並行那我們接著就來探討那我們工程的速度我們總是可以看吧我們工程補助的速度時程在哪裡這點部長我可不可以請署長跟您回應一下好 那署長簡單講我時間有限 |
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跟委員報告我們每年都有依照補助計劃人行環境的一些相關的改善或者是交通路口那輔導地方政府來去做申請 |
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那現在就是說如果我們這個像行人行川線沒有退縮 屁股島也還沒有設 騎樓還是高低不平那轉角的市距死角也還在那我們有再多的科技執法呢我們都會讓人民感覺到說我們把這個 |
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道路的安全設計責任丟就直接丟給用路人所以我們是不是可以請中央就是說內政部這裡有沒有辦法一周內來盤點那中央對於我們地方政府譬如說我想請您盤點對新竹縣那能夠補助加速地方規劃施工的項目清單一周可以嗎跟我也報告那個個案的部分由地方政府這邊 |
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我們再去協調他提出那這個部分也涉及到交通部以及地方的交通局那每個案子的狀況都不太一樣那沒關係我接著講有關我們校園安全能不能從一所學校變成一張路網也就是說我們也很感謝啦我們國土署確實都陸續有在補助我們學校周邊的道路交通安全的這個改善那這個通學步道的改善 |
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有時候就是那30公尺50公尺那孩子走離開學校30公尺50公尺又繼續進入行人地獄這種情形我們中央有沒有想好能不能把校園安全擴大成上學的整條路都安全呢那不然就感覺就是做半套這個部分看怎麼來改善好不好 |
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跟委員報告這個目前所有的計畫在推動都有這樣去要求但是因為涉及到地方要去溝通協調的事項非常多所以是地方的問題因為這個東西都是第一線在我們是督導而且補助會不會地方他整體規劃可是上來你們錢就只給一點沒有我們會再去檢視他實際上要執行的內容 |
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所以如果他全盤性那你們也是有也是會等於是會整體給對因為我們這一些補助項目也涉及到一些相關的交通預算所以整個是在中央部會裡面會有一些相關預算來補助 |
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好 那我想我們還是要特別跟中央來反映我們罰單只可以改變一時的行為我們改善工程才能夠改變我們民眾每天的命運那再來本席請教部長我們有看到公路法它的修正我們也認同把汽車燃料使用費證明為公路使用養護安全管理費 |
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而且這個費用是由公路主管機關統一徵收之後交通部會商內政部辦理那分配的比例我們可以了解一下嗎交通部跟內政部分配的比例報告委員 |
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因為法律還沒通過法律通過以後分配的比例還沒有 我們的還沒修正我們的還沒修正你們那個現在交通部現在交通部也還沒有告訴我們分配的比例是怎麼來處理但是我是覺得從事實上來考量我們應該就是從公路自己本身要養護怎麼樣讓公路更安全能保障用路人的安全來處理 而是不要 |
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就是說很硬性的就是說是5比5或是7比3那所以在行政院的大安匯報裡面院長他都會做財事也根據各種不同縣市政府裡面的需求用這樣的經費來處理有關於道路安全的事項不管是軟體或硬體的改善都會放在這裡面那本席想向內政部提出 |
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你們是不是在跟交通部未來一定會協調嘛對不對協調的時候我們內政部因為本身國土署這裡也有一些道路改善的部分我們是不是可以提出地方道路需求模型那我們主動提出來才能夠跟他們來共同協調那我們這邊可以有這個分配的比例這個部分請署長 |
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謝謝委員 這個部分我們會再朝這個方向一個計畫要強化我們市區道路的重要更貼近人民所以我的重點是內政部要主動提出你這個模型然後你在討論的時候當然交通部他們也有一些經費也是會到地方但是內政部不能行政帶多你要主動提出 |
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交通部在分配預算的時候我們會把一些相關的需求整合進去把一個整體性的規劃在那個區域裡面一起來做改善那本席提的你們是不是也可以內政部自己要提出這個需求的模型我們自己本身也會依照我們會提那這到時候的情況是不是也可以有一個書面給我們我們再跟交通部協調以後再把一些資料給委員 |
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好 謝謝最後 本席想就教部長我們過去很多年來等於我們知道台北是我們的首都所以首都的很多建設它也代表著我們的門面現在新竹是等於台灣科技的心臟同時也創造了整個台灣經濟奇境很重要的經濟命脈 |
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所以新竹可以說是科技的首都所以在這個經費補助的運用上是不是可以有一些優先 |
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報告委員 我們都是依法行政經費的補助上面應該按照財政收支劃分法裡面的級別來做補助那如果是專案計畫 譬如說剛委員提到今天如果是國科會 要通過國科研處我現在的意思就是說 這一個思維大家比較忽略台灣經濟的命脈 然後又是科技首都這個部分是不是可以來強化 |
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我想您還是能夠提出它是哪一種專案那我們才能就這個回答否則我們要面對22個縣市的委員大家都說他們是什麼首都什麼首都那我回答的部分有回答跟沒回答是一樣的所以我特別講了嘛 |
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台灣經濟的命脈大家講到科技講到半導體我想新竹大家是不會否認的所以科技首都這個部分我們不是說要專美於前不是而是在這一塊大家是不是可以也不是大家啦就我們中央這裡能夠特別強化這一塊可以思考一下啦好不好好謝謝 |
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好,謝謝許新英委員接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員詢答謝謝趙偉,那我是不是有請我們內政部我們部長請劉部長 |
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蔡委員好部長好部長首先要感謝因為在去年丹納斯颱風受災這麼嚴重那我們現在內政部也核定要針對鄉鎮的村裡的災防能力那內政部這邊會提供對應的一些他們需要防災的一些空間的一個補助那我想這個幫助很大 |
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尤其是一些在比較偏遠的一些村裡的辦公室它基本上他們村裡辦公室就是防災中心就是村裡的防災中心那這個補助的幫助是有的所以在這邊先感謝部長那第二個要跟部長來聊一下就是說我想這個是不是也請我們這個內政部國土署是不是也可以上來那 |
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我們知道說現在整個土方的一個問題很多土方是需要找地方去劃的所以這個問題我們必須要正視而且現在就民間在說那個處理土方的費用一直墊高 |
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這個墊高的結果有可能會造成未來的整個營建成本都是提高的所以它會產生的後續的影響是很大的那我這邊也是提供一個就是說 事實上我一直在講就是我們布袋山崗的北側到東石的這個壽島這一塊是適合填海造路的 |
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那這一塊怎麼適合呢我直接給部長看看他這十年來的一個變化因為我們知道東石布袋外側就是外山頂洲那在內側有一個壽島那整體外山頂洲跟壽島不斷的在難移所以我們可以看看2015年的時候我在講的這一塊它這個是壽島然後跟三港的北側你看當時候的沙洲長這個樣子 |
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然後到了2021的時候它就開始在持續的它是持續的不斷的在南漂來再下一頁然後到了2023、2025的時候你看它已經南漂到第一個島已經完全都已經卡住了這一個港取家這一個布袋第三漁港的這個港嘴這裡已經堵住了然後第二個這個受導的第二個島鏈也往下漂過來 |
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所以就會看得到原本的這個出海口是在南端現在變成是在中端所以以這樣的一個趨勢咧也許再過十年我們看的這一塊這一個海域咧它就會被完全封住會被完全封住再過可能再十年所以大自然的力量會導致這裡會變成一個內陸化所以原本裡面有刺刮鵝尾現在你看二零二五的時候現在鵝尾全部清除了 |
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就表示說這裡已經沒有辦法去從事漁業所以也沒有生態問題那既然沒有生態問題的話很遺憾的這一個海域還被劃為濕地因為當時在決定國家濕地的時候範圍劃太大把我們整個布袋跟當時我們整個海岸線都把它劃為濕地那很明顯的這裡的濕地名稱叫做 |
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叫做瀑子溪河口失地 但是這裡離瀑子溪超級遠跟瀑子溪的河口完全沒有關係他只是當時把整個海岸線都把他抓進來那如果我這樣給部長很清楚的看到這十年來因為受倒的難移 然後整個海岸線的變化現在受倒的第二個島鏈也已經快要往下再繼續擠下去 |
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所以這裡就是一個很適合做填海造陸也可以協助去化土方的地方那中間這陣段就卡到說也許這個跟私地的一個私地保育法的競合關係但是不管怎麼競合我想內政部總是有辦法來做通盤的一個檢討那既然這塊地適合現在來處理土方那我們是不是可以加速來進行呢 |
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好謝謝蔡委員的關心委員在戴納斯颱風過後你就有跟我提到這個事情所以回來我們有做一下這個精進跟檢討的方案第一個這個地方是不是適合做所謂的填海照路現在國土署已經把它納入我們在做評估 |
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那第二個就是說失地保育法其實呢第九條的規定就是如果他是因為國家的重大公共利益跟國人報告填海造陸是屬於我們要辦理國土流失那個最重要的這個利益的時候我們當然要衡量輕重認為是填海造陸是非常重要的 |
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但是這一塊整個的嘉義布袋的這個部分不管是北邊或是南邊未來有沒有其他的國家重要建設比如說海水淡化廠或者是說因為嘉義現在有COWAS的關係會有其他的重要的科學園區需要做這個進合 |
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那這個淨河上面如果已經有畫出來說這塊區域需要做填海造陸的話那當然它是一個非常好的未來這個營建剩餘土石方乾淨的土石方的一個去化的一個目標我們會朝著這方面來檢討改進 |
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好 那跟部長說一下就是說我們做海蛋廠的填海招入地點並不是這一塊所以這一塊又是新的那只是這一塊面積遠大於原本經濟部所規劃的經濟部大概那一塊只有20公頃那大概100萬方的土方就 |
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至少這邊去化一千萬方都沒有問題這塊明顯大人說但是會不會影響到布袋港就是我們是不是需要跟交流部布袋港的預計啊可以加加再整體評估但是不會影響布袋港的原因就是說它原本就是一個極端已經快要內陸化的一塊 |
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一個海域的 所以這個地方你看連那個鵝尾鴨都已經沒辦法進出了連最淺的鵝尾鴨都已經沒辦法了所以它這裡的生態的功能幾乎是完全消失了是 我要跟委員報告不管是跟經濟部的水利署或者是交通部來聯繫就是我們填海造陸以後要做什麼例如說我們現在台北港在接收剩餘土石方它是為了台北港為了要擴建 |
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或者是未來的那個高雄的南興計劃區它有剩餘土石方法 它是要擴建可能當成是不是機場啦 或是其他的這個循環經濟園區使用不是說純粹土 但是那個地方 它要有一個所以要做一個整體的規範會面的時候總統也有來布袋這裡 然後稍微跟他說明一下這樣總統也覺得說 嗯 有一些方向讓我去思考 |
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那我也覺得我會認真去思考未來要做什麼這件事情但是呢總是這個前提作業因為如果目前他還被沒有辦法啟動天海造陸的話很多很多後續的計畫是也沒有辦法去認真去啟動的是 |
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報告委員那個院長他會跨部會來處理這塊事情那也知道那個蔡委員的關心有時間他可能要到現場去看那就會把內政部、經濟部還有或者交通部相關的部會甚至國科會揮擊、召集然後來處理這一塊我想這個對於台灣在處理國土流失以內政部的主管機關來看的話我們是樂觀其事好 謝謝部長 |
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我們登記發言的委員除了不在場以外都已發言完畢,詢答結束委員王美惠、廖先祥、高金素梅、羅志強、邱志偉所提的書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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書面質詢及未答覆的部分請相關單位除了李貞秀女士的以外都於一週內書面答覆並複製本會 |
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討論事項所列議案另定期繼續審查另外補充報告本日議程與其他單位的報告請委員自行參酌並刊登公報本日會議到此結束,現在散會,謝謝 |