| IVOD_ID |
17269 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17269 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T08:34:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T12:03:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:28:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbdc5f31f4729d12f531f5512258f740a5157d0edf07c12ea6d293920e9210a3655ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:34:49 - 12:03:00 |
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谢谢观看 欢迎订阅我的频道 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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好 立法院第十一會第十一屆第五會及經理委員會第二次全體委員會議請主秘報告初期人數報告委員會初期委員12人已足法定人數好 已達法定初期人數現在開會 |
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進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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一立法院各委員會組織法第三條之四規定立法院各委員會是召集委員二人由各委員會委員於每會級互選產生二選讀本會及本會召集委員選舉的名冊選舉事項選舉立法院第十一屆第五會及本會召集委員一立法院各委員會召集委員選舉辦法第五條規定召集委員之選舉 |
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與吳敬明單計法票選之但經各該委員會及全體委員或經各黨團及一位參加黨團及該委員會委員之虛名同意亦得以推選方式行之主席宣告推選委員邱志偉及委員洪玉祥二人為本院第十一屆第五會期本會召集委員散會宣讀完畢好 謝謝現在這三位委員人數還不足算人意思是我們這樣不處理來 這個繼續進行報告事項請宣讀 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概括並備執行宣傳品好 這個本日的議程本席排列由國家發展委員會做業務報告請國家發展委員會葉俊賢主任委員做報告 |
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主席各位委員以及媒體先進大家好很高興也很榮幸今天能夠來經濟委員會報告國發會的業務來做一個國發會業務報告那因為時間相當緊湊我想就直接進入到我的報告的主題 |
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那報告的大綱大概分三個面向 第一個面向是經濟傾斜分析 第二個面向是市政方向與重點那這個市政方向與重點的話 大致上會從產業面 人才面以及居民發展這個三方面來跟大家介紹一下國發會未來的市政方向跟重點 那第三個就是介於下一頁 |
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那就整個國際經濟情勢來看的話全球經濟成長率是一個溫和成長但是漸漸的一個趨緩那2026年的預估大概是2.6%到3%之間那也是從2021年以來是得最低那就全球的CPI年增率來看的話漲幅也明顯的降低但是 |
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關注但我們必須要關注近期的一些地緣政治的一些衝突那預估2026年的預測大概是2.6到3.8左右下一頁那在整個風險的今年的風險跟挑戰方面大概有四個面向第一當然就是地緣政治的風險那在中東的衝突升溫時的國際油氣的價格大幅的上漲那根據今天的那個八點的那個西德州的原油大概是在97塊左右 |
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那布蘭特大概是103塊那天然氣大概是3.09塊那地緣政治的分化的話主要會牽扯到美歐跟美中的一些貿易衝突那在國際經濟政策不確定這個部分來講的話就是美國IEP的那個關稅被宣告違憲之後的話美國貿易貿易署以及美國社會財產局 |
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開啟一系列的一些調查包括301跟337那也有可能會擴大到232的一些調查的範圍那在金融市場變化方面來講的話我們必須要去關注就是說FED降息的時程以及它的降息的幅度還有股市過於集中在科技類股那在中國政經風險這個部分來講的話我們我們必須要去注意到中國的一些消費新興的不足還有房地房市的低迷以及產能過剩還有地價傾銷以及高層的一些權鬥 |
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1780.661 |
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1796.541 |
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那下一頁那在台灣今年的經濟成長率就主總的預估來講的話大概有7.71%左右那整個GDP的規模大概會上看32.5兆也就是大概有約有1兆美元左右的這樣的一個規模 |
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1798.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1824.576 |
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那今年的經濟成長跟去年來比相對的會弱了一些那主要的原因是因為基期的因素所以今年各季的經濟成長率會從第一期最高一直慢慢的下滑到第四季的低點是3.09那這最主要原因是因為基期的因素那今年整個經濟成長的動能會來自於跟去年相類似就是因為出口帶動的一些投資 |
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1825.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1852.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那在出口這方面來講的話在由於ART跟MOU的協議確定之後的話降低了廠商的一些不確定性那以及今年全球CSP的大廠的資本支出大幅度的增加所以在出口方面來講的話大致上會維持成長的一個趨勢那增長的幅度大概有22.2%那就整個投資部分來講的話也是因為出口的增加所帶動出來一些民間投資的增加 |
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1852.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1875.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
還有就是說政府目前正在推行的AI新市場建設以及五大信賴產業那整個投資會往上增加大概4.24%那就整個消費來看的話消費跟去年比較不一樣消費今年是因為大致上是股市創新高還有成交量大幅的上升還有政府調高的最低工資以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1876.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1901.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
減輕了一些稅負的壓力所以使得消費這個部分來講的話也會往上增加大概2.51%那就物價這個部分來講的話還是一樣就是我們期望的目標值維持在2%以下那預估來講的話今年大概是1.68%那就最近目前的觀察來看1到2月的那個整個物價上漲大概是1.23% |
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1902.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1929.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
那但是因為中東的一些軍事衝突使得油氣的價格會有一些上漲的一些趨勢那行政院副院長也在每週召開臨時的物價穩定匯報那也宣示了五項的強化措施來穩定物價所以短期來看的話在國內的物價上面來講的話應該是不會有非常大的一個波動下一頁 |
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1930.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1956.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
那就整個市政方向來市政方向與重點來看的話大致上分成三個部分一個是創新領航匯集人才以及區域合作那現在先就創新領海這個部分跟大家報告那創新領海這個部分的話有三個面向一個是AI新時代建設還有文化現代產業以及資金區驅動創新的發展那就協調推動AI新時代建設這個部分來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1958.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1977.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
大致上分成三個部分跟大家報告第一個部分就是智慧應用智慧應用這部分來講的話我們去年在2025年製造業AI普及率達到22.7%那資訊與服務業的比例的話大概有37%那我們今年希望製造業能夠到30%那資訊以及服務業能夠到達40%那就關鍵技術這部分來講的話我們去年建制的矽光子、量子以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1986.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2011.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
機器人的研發中心那我們今年跟明年希望產研合作那強化我國技術的自主能量那就數位機盤這個部分來講的話我們去年已經建構台灣主權AI的訓練與醫療庫那我們今年跟明年希望運用資料創新然後推出多項的一些智慧正譜的服務那這些執行這一些這一些AI心思達監測其實非常有助於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2012.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2026.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
國家來提升我們AI的排名那依據全球AI指數在2025年的排名來看的話台灣排在大概第16名那我們希望就是說在2028年能夠進步到14名那2032年是第10名那2040年是第5名 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2030.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2034.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那希望在2040年能夠創造15道產值50萬個就業機會以及三座國際級的國家實驗室然後達成賴總統的台灣成為科技智慧島以及實現AI everywhere這樣的一個願景那接下來就統籌推展五大信賴產業這個部分來講的話就半導體這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2050.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2062.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
而言的話 我們建置了先進半導體的研發基地還有推動了材料設備制度那我們今年希望能夠建置矽光子高速驗證的實驗室提供檢測服務 以利縮短業者開發的時程那就人工智慧這部分來講的話我們成立了主題式的百億基金加強投資AI相關的一些產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2072.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2075.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
同時也開發了85條的AI市產線那我們希望今年能夠透過產業競爭力的輔導團將AI工具導入產業落地的應用那就安控這個部分來講的話 速發部已經公布了資通訊供應鏈產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2087.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2102.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
晶片資安驗證制度那同時也發布了Semi187半導體設備資安認證驗證的制度那我們今年將推動安控產品的履歷通明化以及資源性的揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2103.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2115.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
等機制那帶動產品可信賴化那就軍工方面來講的話我們核定推動了無人載具產業發展統籌的一個計畫那無人機的產值大幅的成長到去年的129億元那我們今年將持續的補足無人機關鍵技術的缺口那並強化國內的產能那希望能夠產值能夠達到200億 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2130.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2151.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
就次世代通訊這個部分來講的話經濟部簽署了台歐盟的一些合作推動6G的技術雛形系統場域的驗證我們今年希望能夠持續的協助台廠投入低軌衛星地面設備以及基地研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2152.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2165.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
那在資金驅動創新的這個部分來講的話根據GEM國家創業環境指數台灣是位列全球第二名那我們希望在2028年達成每年大概1500億的新創投資的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2169.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2186.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
那就整個資金投融資這個部分來講的話在直投方面來講的話我們已經完成69家還有835億的一些累積的投資金額那創業天使這個部分來講的話也有到300家以及178億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2188.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2196.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
那我們未來希望能夠擴大投資額度以及從50億倍增到100億還有新創設立的年限從5年擴增到8年那就主題是基金這部分來講的話我們已經投資的加數有680家那帶動民間投資有834億元那我們未來再規劃會規劃大健康以及運動產業相關的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2211.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2215.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
主體式的百億基金那就海外佈局來來這個部分來講的話我們將海外投融資的那個貸款額度貸款額度從300億倍增到600億那就整個擴大投資標的這部分來講的話我們今年會舉辦那一個創業的比賽那 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2235.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2242.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
這個比賽是全台最大的一個創業的一個規模比賽大概有2800家的一個團隊報名那創業金有達到了大概3億元那裡頭分了三階段的一個培訓以及全程的一個陪跑那目前300強已經揭曉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2255.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2268.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
接下來在5月會選出白組的潛力之星那未來在執行方面來講的話我們第一名到第三名會頒發總統獎那大概創業資結金會有1000億那第四名到第九名是院長獎那創業資結金會大概600萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2273.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2292.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那第10名到第100名是綻放獎那大概會有300萬的一個獎勵金那在惠居人才方面來講的話分成兩個部分就是人才競爭力的躍升方案以及雙魚環境那人才競爭力躍升方案來講的話分成國內跟國外國外的話我們會比較著重在 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2292.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2296.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
攔財這個部分那攔財這個部分的話外國人才專法在去年已經立法通過那我們今年會分兩階段來實行那就國內的那個賠財育財訓財這個部分來講的話我們也會持續的在校園內培育新世代人才以及校園外 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2313.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2324.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
賠利產業的實作人才那未來推動的重點會我們會舉辦第一次的跨部會的一些推動全球攬產的一個行動那在7月的時候我們會在美東舉辦一場在10月的時候會在美西舉辦一場等 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2328.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2349.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那在周延雙語環境這個部分來講的話我們的一些階段性的成果已經使得監理所銀行跟郵局還有醫院都逐步的提供一些雙語的服務那就在強化公司協力方面來講的話我們也跟商圈以及夜市那輔導廠商推出雙語菜單以及建設雙語導覽的系統那另外在未來的話在整個雙語環境的躍進方面來講的話我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2355.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2374.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
也提報了一個方案到行政院那我們希望藉由三大策略來進進雙魚環境第一個就是優化雙魚工作環境第二個擴大雙魚生活網路第三個是進進雙魚的公共服務那最後一項就是跨越跨越服務那裡面分成大概四個面向那第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2375.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2396.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
最主要就是說均衡臺灣的發展是賴總統的核心政策那具體落實將藉由均衡臺灣重大建設以及推動六大區域產業及生活圈然後來達成三大願景也就是體新之爭就業繁地方然後均衡臺灣的發展讓全民共享經濟的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2397.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2423.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
那在推動六大區域產業與生活圈這個部分來講的話我們階段性的在水電設施方面的話完成了桃園以及新竹貝園管線的一些工程還有在產業輔導與轉型方面的話推動了推動無人機聯盟那在中部地區已經促成了35件的國際合作那累積海外訂單達到有38億那在工商文化建設方面來講的話我們推動了沙輪AI |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2426.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2441.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
運算資料中心的建置 那規劃辦理他預計在2028年完工這樣子那在均衡台灣重大建設方面來講的話比較指標性的一個成績在北北基方面的話就是國家鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2442.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2470.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
國家鐵道博物館那在桃竹苗這個部分來講的話就是桃機的第三航廈那在中章雲頭的話大致上就是下輪海水統籌供水中心那在未來的話我們也會陸續的來執行一些比較重要的一些政策譬如說陽明交大附屬醫院的第二期以及國七高雄路段高屏二塊以及高鐵延伸屏東 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2471.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2482.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那在精進公共建設治理方面來這部分而言的話在佈建均衡台灣重大建設的同時我們也思考如何讓公共建設提高它的一個效能所以在整個執行整活這部分來講要從2018年推動預警機制引導 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2486.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2490.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
公共投資穩健成長從推動以來的話執行率都達到93%以上那2025年的整體經費的達成率更高達95.43%不管是從執行的金額以及建築來講都創18年的新高那未來我們也將 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2502.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2521.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
持續讓整體公建經費的執行目標達到95%那最後一項就是除了專注在建設的執行效能我們也思考如何引進民間資金到國家發展上面那據主計總數的統計2025年的台灣的超額儲蓄有5.4兆那今年更預估有8兆之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2522.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2544.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
那這些充沛的資金如果能夠移植到國家建設將有助於公司協力一起投資建設台灣那在2026年的一個工作重點來講的話我們發展策略性的一個產業我們希望就是說把數位建設納入重大的工界可以享受相關的租稅優惠那擴大國家融資保證的額度擴大到 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2547.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2560.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
1560億那保險業試用也會努力的推動保險業試用公共建設投資的一些等等的優惠同時我們在明年會成立一個單一平台然後整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2561.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2571.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
所有民間的投資那對於整個民間投資要挹注到整個國家建設方面來講的話我們會有一個單一的一個平台那這個單一的平台會協調各部會就每一個申請的案件然後做客製化服務 以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2580.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2591.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
謝謝主委的報告這個主委的報告很詳細也規劃到今年度的施政計畫這些施政計畫對未來是非常重要的但是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2592.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2613.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
中央政府整個預算至今還沒有付為審查對你們施政會不會造成影響對就是說我們就比較重大像AI新十大建設的話我們原本的預算是311億啦那預算假如沒有過的話會影響大概102億左右那這個部分來講對我們來講是還是講是最後的狀況依然沒有付為審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2615.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2641.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那你們要這個針對所有你們私人機會要做什麼因應做調整那他在最有限的在最不受影響的範圍之內能不能穩健的推動這個部分提醒一下葉主委謝謝葉主委 先請回座我很快的介紹今天列席了國會的這個列席的同仁那不用起立也不用揮手所以國會葉俊賢主委那另外是張方冠副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2643.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
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謝謝綜合過渡署李佩玉署長謝謝經濟發展署陳美菊署長社會發展署張富林署長產業發展署蕭振隆署長人力發展署謝家宜署長國土區域離島發展署黃文彥署長謝謝 |
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管制考核署李奇处长法治协调署林志美参事处长中医新生红号专业办公室吴文贵主任档案管理局林秋莲局长陈寅是欧阳玉平代理主任秘书是副主任人事是陈一军主任主席是廖玉琳主任 |
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政務是劉孟秀主任另外還有國際基金管理委員會王庭安執行秘書謝謝來好我們先確定一下議事錄在場委員足法定人數請問在場委員是不是針對上次會議議事錄有無錯誤沒有那我們就無錯誤就議事錄確定好現在我們要進行詢答 |
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委員宣告之前主席原理做以下宣告每位委員實踐發言時間本會委員6分鐘必要時延長2分鐘非本會委員 |
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4加1分鐘我們上午10點10點截止發言登記那我也要提醒我們諮詢委員為了會議的進行順利也兼顧我們委員發言時間的公平性以及避免影響下一位諮詢委員的權利是不是請諮詢委員能配合以諮詢時間結束之後 |
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因停止發言如果再繼續發言的話主席會予以制止請各位委員盡量配合謝謝好現在進行諮詢第一位首先登記第一位諮詢請邱盈瑩委員好謝謝主席我請一下主委請國會議員主委 |
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主委早主委早所以我想這個剛聆聽了您的這個施政報告我想這個還是感到佩服國發會其實業務包山包海那這個從科技管到體育管到交通管到農業各方面都管講到體育的部分這個主委我請教一下您看棒球嗎我看棒球看嗎看了看了你是棒球迷嗎 |
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應該算是但投入的程度可能沒有非常的投入我想這個上個禮拜或者是一直到今天為止全世界都在封WBC那台灣英雄到日本去比賽的幾個場次我相信主委您應該或多或少都會看了一下 |
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那在這一次的比賽當中其實台灣隊裡頭有一個非常重要的選手叫做Stu Future他的媽媽是台灣人所以他被我們職棒的蔡會長延攬到這個台灣隊來代表台灣出賽 |
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那表現非常的優異那比賽完 在比賽的過程裡頭其實就有非常多的網友一直在敲碗說這個趕快要給Future台灣的健保卡那要給台灣的身分證但是這些東西還沒有拿到以前我想國發會率先就提出了要給Future台灣的就業金卡 |
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這個我也想要來跟這個國發會來討論一下我們的就業金卡其實實施到現在從2018年實施到現在為止我們的有效持卡人大概是8318人但是主要的持卡人的這個領域大概還是以經濟教育科技為主在體育的部分其實只有佔了25件這個比例相對來講是非常的少 |
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我想請教一下國發會基於什麼樣的理由或者是基於什麼樣的考量你們對於Fairchild希望能夠發給他就業金卡有沒有是因為他在這個比賽裡頭表現優異還是說你們未來在所謂的體育領域上面的就業金卡的發放 |
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或是審核有沒有一個標準或者是有沒有建立一個機制第二個問題我想請教就是說未來在體育項目我們的人才延攬的部分國發會有沒有一個專案計畫或者是說有沒有跟運動部去進行過討論未來我們在體育人才的延攬上面跟運動部有沒有什麼合作的計畫來 主委 |
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就委員的第一個問題來講的話就是說我們對於每一個領域他都會有一個審查的要點就那個Fairchild這個部分來講的話我們會協同運動部針對運動領域的第四點由職業運動聯盟或運動團體推薦然後據產業貢獻潛力的話會主動邀請他申請那個就業金卡 |
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所以他還是要來申請你們是邀請他來申請還是你們要主動發一個就業人機卡給他我們已經主動跟運動部那邊聯絡了那也把一些申請的一些文件都已經給運動部 |
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好 你一次就回答了我兩個問題其實這個跟運動部其實是有做過討論但我要提的是說台灣其實現在的整個體育的發展已經在蓬勃的進展當中不只是棒球 籃球 甚至羽球或者是有很多的項目 |
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更或甚至不只是選手連教練或者是他們的防護員等等他其實是一個產業鏈的所以像這些東西是不是國發會也能夠持續的跟運動部來進行更多的討論 |
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或者甚或是我們的國訓中心大概也會需要很多類似這樣的一些教練等級或者是防護員等級是不是也能夠提供給他們這樣子的一個就業金塔我覺得我認為這是對他們來講是一種honor也是對台灣的選手的另外一種職業的保障訓練上面的保障你同意我的看法嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為我們目前也在跟運動部接洽就是說我們其實有百億的主題式的百億基金我們也在跟邀請某個程度來講邀請運動部來申請這樣的一個主題式的百億基金那這樣一個百億基金的話 |
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運動部就可以開始規劃他要用什麼樣的一個計畫來針對教練針對防護員針對什麼樣的一個譬如說整個運動產業鏈上面哪一個關節他覺得必須要有資金挹注的話那都可以經由這樣的一個主題式的百億基金來做一個資金的一個挹注這樣子好 我希望在這個部分上面我期許國發會能夠更積極主動一點 |
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那第二個問題我要請教的在您剛剛的報告裡頭其實您談到了五大信賴產業我比較有興趣的是在這五大信賴產業裡面我們講的半導體人工智慧什麼次世代通訊安全控制等等其實這個大家都一直在談很特別是你們今天談到了一個軍工產業 |
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這個軍工產業就是所謂的無人機的發展計畫但我覺得比較可惜就是說在國發會的報告裡面對於軍工產業對無人機的發展計畫只有短短的幾行字主委我想請教 |
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五大信賴產業裡頭您在軍工的這個發展的比重上面會佔多少無人機的運用現在大家最廣為人所知的是運用在戰爭上面不對等的作戰烏克蘭的戰爭我想很多包括這個媒體都有寫台灣製造的無人機出口暴增而且是流向二烏戰爭 |
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除掉了戰爭的這個因素以外其實無人機的運用場域可說非常的廣包括我們在農業上面的無人機噴藥或者是在醫療上面的用無人機去送藥無人機的救援等等生活是在昨天結束的嘉義燈會用無人機點亮了嘉義的夜空 |
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所以整個無人機它不只是在軍工產業上面我認為它是在整個無人載具的發展上面我想知道到底國發會要用多少的比例多少的心去協助或者是去扶植這樣的一個產業起來那不對等的作戰其實在武器的構制上面台灣面臨的非常大的困難 |
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不只是對外買軍購困難甚至連在台灣自己在國會裡頭都被處處執軸所以在軍工產業的發展上面國發會應該要怎麼樣做協助 |
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就軍工產業這個部分來講我先跟委員分享就是說無人機這個部分來講我們的產值2028年預估要達到產值大概有300億2028年嗎2028年對2028年預估今年會預計會到200億那我們也會配合的整個國際的 |
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的情勢譬如說像美國現在正在推所謂的非紅供應鏈尤其是在無人機這一塊那我們也會努力的透過經濟部的一些輔導專案讓台灣的無人機產業能夠在台灣落地生根以及增加它出口的產能因為非紅供應鏈這一塊的市場其實相當大就好像委員剛才有提到就是說我們無人機的出口暴增了大概35倍主要都流向惡物戰爭 |
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那未來的話其他的一些應用段上面來講就好像委員講到他可以用在農業上面他可以用在防紅防災上面那這個部分來講的話至於比例我現在沒有辦法跟委員保證但是整個的發展以及焦點我們會放在這個部分同時我們也很 |
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我們也在關注整個軍工產業的發展不管是在日本或是以色列我們希望都透過所謂的創投的這樣的一個基金去挹注它然後去得到一些關鍵性的一些技術跟零件這樣子好 謝謝主委的回答因為時間到了我就不耽誤但是我想私下我想還要再繼續請教一下主委對於這個產業我們的輔導方向跟我們能夠提供的協助方向好不好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝邱議員 謝謝葉主委 謝謝邱議員 一向是本委員會的楷模接下來請內閣委員 內閣委員在本委會質詢的數字可能會越來越少明年要去施政備詢了好 存照主席指示了好 請內閣委員謝謝 來 請葉主委請國安委葉主委 |
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主委我先請教一下其實去年整個台灣的經濟狀況表現相當的良好很強勁大概是這15年來最佳也是全球第二整個經濟成長率那今年大概預估上看7.7主委你也是經濟學者出身的那你怎麼來看待這個台灣現在的整個經濟的道路上包括我們在整個是不是走到一個正確的道路上那今年的整個經濟狀況你怎麼來看 |
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我覺得今年的整個經濟狀況的話主技術預估7.7%我覺得還是蠻有機會可以達成那最主要原因就是因為我們的出口會持續的跟去年一樣那因為全球的CSP的大廠大幅度的增加它的資本支出那原本很多預設機構都預估大概只有6100億美元左右但後來都慢慢一直在調升調升那調到現在目前大概有7500億美元左右 |
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那這也是為什麼就是說很多機構對於今年的經濟成長的預估他都一直在上調的原因那主計總處大概比較前進一點他調的比較多那我想也最主要看到就是說因為整個台灣的出口相對非常的暢旺那帶動了國內的一些民間的投資還有整個經濟的活動越來越活絡那尤其是我們股市 |
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那成交量一直在創新高所以這也帶動我們國內一些消費的因素所以主委其實也是更認同這個主席總署甚至於更看好有機會更突破這個數字我們當然期待了那另外當然是經濟景氣的部分現在看來這兩個月都是紅的這兩個都是紅的那主委怎麼看呢今年剛開年的狀況一直到年底 |
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我覺得這一個部分來講的話景氣燈號我想應該有機會持續的再紅下去因為我們去年來講的話因為出口暢旺的關係對 出口暢旺的關係因為我們去年來講的話各位想像去年這個時候的話其實我們的出口大致上還維持一個平穩狀態 |
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但是在4月2號從川普宣布的那個對等關稅之後的話整個出口有稍微下跌但後來又逆勢爬上來所以我覺得今年就整個機器來看的話我覺得今年還是相對蠻樂觀的所以主委也是相對樂觀那我看了一下整個在製造業的部分其實包括台積電也看好我們包括電子機械鋼鐵石化在今年的景氣狀況也會不錯 |
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主委怎麼看對尤其我覺得就這個部分來講的話尤其是機械以及工具機這個部分還有鋼鐵這個部分假如說我們的那個ART跟MOU能夠順利的通過的話我覺得對於傳產這個部分來講會有很大的一個激勵的作用對我們的技術產業會是一份一個重要的一個強心針對特別是鋼鐵這一段時間比較辛苦一點但是我們也希望第二季之後能夠有一個好的狀況對 |
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那工具機跟所有的包括這些電子看起來整個狀況應該是會越來越好我整理上來看那這樣我就要回來問了我們的總預算到現在還沒有過這個對於我們今年的整個這些經濟狀況包括經濟生產力會不會受到影響如果持續沒有過的話 |
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當然就我剛剛跟各位報告就是說我自己就是統籌的統籌這個部分來講的話311億裡面大概有102億被卡在那個預算沒有辦法過主委如果我們 |
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看整個總的啦因為國發會算是一個小內委甚至是政府的一個大佬的角色如果而且您也是經濟學的出身的如果這個總預算遲遲的卡住的話我們看到裡面其實有很多包括將近3000億的部分如果遲遲沒有省的話他會影響到我們後續的一些新增計畫包括我們延續性的計畫的增加的部分甚至於一些預備金的運用這個會不會影響到我們經濟跟我們整個產業的一些發展這當然會因為就整個 |
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單從整個政府支出來講的話 假如3000億沒有辦法通過的話對於整個國家的GDP的影響的話 至少當然有百分之0.01左右百分之0.1的影響 0.01的影響那就整個的 他所帶出來的一些外溢的效果的話除了你的0.1只是初估 因為他還沒有估到外溢上可能會產生的效果甚至很多的 |
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所以我覺得這一塊恐怕也要讓國人更加清楚也要讓立法院的朝野更加清楚這個無論如何不應該讓整個總預算審查影響到國家整個經濟發展跟整個產業上的發展 |
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這個可不可以請主委再估算的更清楚一點給我一個數字好不好我希望知道比如說如果我們拖到因為現在看來已經開億了那如果在今年的上半年沒辦法完成總預算的審查這些將近3000億是無法動之的話那對我們的經濟的包括成長率對我們整個所有的一些會產生多大的一個影響這個會請一個禮拜內給我一個評考因為就好像我剛剛跟各位報告就是說我們國內的GDP的產值目前為止的話大概有33兆左右 |
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那你再除以大概把它乘以百分之一的話大概就是大概是三千億左右所以這個是我目前大概你用這樣出推但是它一樣會有擴散的效果會有一些成熟效果這個部分我因為我覺得你也是專家學者也是院長對這些事項要了解我也希望了解一下同時也讓社會各界知道它的影響層面有多大那我覺得可能立法院也要審慎來評估不要因為政治上的因素而影響到國家整體的一個方程 |
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再來我請教一下這個大南方新矽谷的這個產業這個也是相當重要其實很多的不管是水到再生水廠到電到各方面這個都持續在發展中那這個如果遲遲不通過其實對南方上面大南方的整個新矽谷是很不公平它影響到的嘉義台南高雄屏東都會影響到所以我也希望這塊持續來加速來通過 |
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接下來我想問的因為時間很有限我再問一下那我們的國防特別預算如果他沒有辦法通過的話除了我們的國安的問題跟對美的關係對世界各國的關係以外對我們的產業會不會產生一些重大的影響 |
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這個部分當然就是說會接連的會影響到整個國防相關的一些供應鏈的一些問題那譬如說像我們國際國造國建國造這個部分的進程的話就會被拖慢很多甚至無人機甚至AI相關的產業嘛這很多是坐落在 |
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台灣的甚至於坐在中南部的文載劇的文件的這些的甚至AI的這個都是那如果我們遲遲沒有辦法來他不只影響到我們國家安全同時也影響到我們產業的一個進展這個部分 |
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主委有推估過嗎如果不過了跟不過的話對於我們整個產業跟經濟上面的一些影響這部分我目前還沒有資料我是不是等會後也幫我一樣推估看看好不好也讓社會各界更理性的思考這問題它不只是涉及到台灣的國家安全涉及到台灣的外交它也涉及到台灣的整個產業的轉型台灣的升級甚至於很多的產業對這個如果我們政府有挹注到我們本土的產業我們的無人載具我們的AI的這個產業的話它有機會整個升級的 |
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好不好這也請主委是不是一樣也一個禮拜的時間也評估一下你們的狀況讓我知道一下最後我再請教一下採劃法的部分其實對於南部其實很不公平這個採劃法所以院版也出來了那但是如果這個採劃法遲遲不通院版遲遲不通過的話其實光高雄就實質損失的目前算起來是144億而捷運的這個短缺就103億這個我想要也請主委幫忙能不能也協調院方那邊也協調一下 |
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包括相關的單位裡面讓這些重大的建設不要受到影響就整個軌道建設跟那個捷運建設的話院目前的立場是會優先來治癒嗎對不對不會受到影響嗎這個很重要因為 |
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台北的捷運其實雙北的快速的興建完成了那中南部其實都包括邱委員的往北的包括包括我們我跟李大委員往南的甚至於黃縣都積蓄這些經費那每拖延有可能就拖延一兩年這個對當地鄉親是很影響很大的好不好請主委大力來協助推動所以院版的那一個裁判法通過的話其實對於地方跟中央這是第一個第二個也是希望能夠盡快的讓整個補款項能夠補進來的好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝賴委員謝謝葉主委賴文榮質詢一向是非常有深度一向非常有水準那相信他以後備詢的時候一樣會表現很精彩昨天我夜觀天象恐怕明天在此時此刻在這邊看不到你要找你可能要去市政府來 謝謝賴委員下一位請洪義祥委員洪義祥委員出登板 |
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好 我們有請這個葉主委 葉主席國安會葉主委委員長 早 |
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我就開始了我是把這個業務報告都看完了還是一樣的問題那個簡報寫的比這個報告好所以請你們可能下次先把簡報的內容先附上來好 |
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我想在往下講之前我先大概說明一下我對國發會的定位其實應該是我們國家的發展的策略的規劃然後的話整個在我們的一個重大的一些的境界也就是說你要規劃我未來台灣五年十年會長什麼樣子 |
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那經過一連串的討論所以你才會有這個戰略然後我才會有戰術然後我才會有對應的騎乘的milestone然後載到你的檢討可是呢在這樣子的一個文件裡面的報告我覺得我現在還是看不到這樣的東西這個可能高度再去把它修正一下 |
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我可不可以跟委員報告一下就是說其實目前行政院在推的那個13項關鍵的戰略產業的話其實跟日本目前的那個經濟安全的那個保障接下來要推的有大概17項戰略產業以及8項的一些制度上面的措施 |
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那就我們來講的話 我們也去看了他們整個的那個經濟安全的規劃那所以我們院裡面的目前的這13項的關鍵產業其實是有分三個支柱一個是分國內的 國內部分的話會跟民生經濟有關係然後另外一方面是外面的 也就是說外在環境的局勢的改變 |
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那另外一個就是還有一塊就是說我們如何因應內外的情勢變化那我們要開始去盤點我們的一些產業那目前為止我們現在盤出了大概13個產業那這13個產業的話大致上是以五大信賴產業為主再加上AI新時代建設裡面的希望值量值以及那個沒關係我讓你慢慢去看那個事情再講下去我講不完來 |
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所以我的定位上很簡單整個我是覺得這個東西來講的話國發會還是要做我們這個領航的一個舵手那個舵手的話其實就是要很清楚也就是說你是一個我們國家政府的高級的智庫那第一個問題來講的話就是你的報告的裡頭一開始的時候就是引用主計處的7.71的一個經濟成長率 |
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可是你在2月3號的記者會是寫4.11目標4.56所以短短 |
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一個月就提升了這麼多所以這個是是數據的問題還是你們當時的預估是低的就是說現在是樂觀的對 就跟委員分享一下就是說剛出二月的時候的話其實就好像我剛剛講的那個全球的四大CSP的廠商對於資本支出這個部分來講的話我們那個時候 |
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推估是稍微保守一些那我們也去看主計總括反正你最後的四字就是以主計處的為準好不好對我幫你講了好來下一個你常常在講AI新十大哪十大第一個就是說我們有那個快一點就好我都幫你背完了 |
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我背完了你有背完有有有就是第一個就是智慧生活圈這個是國科會負責那另外就百工百業智慧應用這是經濟部負責還有那個軟體登峰這是數法部負責那這上面是正三角形上面那一塊中間那是關鍵的技術關鍵技術有所謂的矽光子以及量子還有那個機器人那矽光子這個部分是經濟部負責那量子跟那個機器人這個部分是國科會負責的 |
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過關啊請把你們每天喊的再多我的問題是很單純的就是因為我也寫過太多這種東西的計畫那個國發會給我的感覺就是帶便當一起來撿到籃裡都是菜所以在這裡頭來講的話剛剛賴業榮委員問的對不對或者是邱委員問的每個人都有各自關心的不管是在無人機對不對不管是在南方的大溪谷好 那我關心的是 |
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這麼多裡頭的預算到底哪一些是用在軟體應用的發展台灣太偏向硬體的應用發展那你現在不用回答我回去好好算一下然後我要看一下這個比例到底多少那你看看多久再交給我這樣子的一個預算的評估的報告因為我不需要把這所有的錢都拿去補這些硬體 |
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那這個在重要的軟體的應用的發展你應該要提出來點出來這件事情是不夠因為像那個速發部靈異進步那個太少了那個我到禮拜三再來質詢他就好來 |
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那你們這個新十大建設的話說實在的很多都是沿用過去的包裝所以我是覺得這一塊的地方當然也無可厚非反正就是不同的總統會有不同的口號但是我就是回去一樣請你再算一下到底哪些是新增的計畫就是我真的新編預算不是讓各部會代便當預算過來的 |
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那這樣子我才能看到出這裡頭這麼多錢的數字跟委員分享一下就是說AI新十大建設其實是只集在五大新來產業那我們從五大新來產業慢慢去拓展出來沒關係,因為我寫過太多了我寫過M台灣、I台灣、行動台灣、智慧台灣都一樣 |
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這有時候是我寫的 是不是智慧城鄉你也知道是幾百年前的東西再來時間不夠的關係我現在要問你的就是說很多的問題這邊的話我大概簡報也會給你們將來去參考或者是我們會來看第一個就是AI建設這件事情很多都是空頭的 |
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就是說我首先拿一個例子來講就是你的智慧化的這個政府這邊來講服務的話要列出好幾百項三十幾項三十九項你要推動多少其實你的這樣子的一個服務的東西其實對我沒有感覺民眾是沒有感的我們常常看到這些都是KPI都是數字數字三十九項三項到底這個東西是什麼其實我要看的是你的錯誤率是多少實際的使用率是多少我到底這個有沒有解決我的問題所以這個是第一個建議 |
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那我為什麼要這樣講因為過去當然這個現在已經不歸你了啦這個可能跑到速發部去了所以你可能鬆了一口氣以前這個審計部的時候或是我們立法院預算中心這個東西官方承諾的服務對不對這是左邊你現在的承諾但是現在是速發部在管他有沒有節省行政成本那這個東西來講其實我們的訂閱項目服務的滿意度其實很慘的 |
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尤其在買Data啦以前的ePlus所以如果我們國安會做一個監督管考單位要把那個民眾的KPI再去稍微把它定一下 |
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那再來地方創生我是支持我還去參加你的這個對不對地方創生日但是我的問題是這樣子因為我是1.0嘛你到這邊是3.0的地方創生我希望的是這個東西呢不要是補助完就不見了因為我們學界有很多的批判說這個是盆栽市的創新然後你跟地方政府的這個地方有很多是擱淺的29%那我覺得這個地方 |
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看看將來就是把這個KPI都改成是營運型態的KPI然後那個退場的機制把它給弄好 |
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最後我挑一個比較關鍵的我關心的是國發基金的踩雷的問題因為這個地方來講過去在盧新東背跟聯合再生的這些的案子裡面我覺得這裡頭牽扯到監督審核跟政治的決策所以基本上我希望把這些的東西把它列入我們的一個具體的要求也就是你國發基金的一些管理辦法列到產創變成法治化 |
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那你的創新創業活動少做一點這個他要去做資金的規劃然後AI新時代建設剛剛那些預算軟體的比例跟風險那這個再希望你再去幫我們做處理好不好OK 謝謝私下跟委員溝通好 謝謝洪運祥委員主委先回座下位質詢請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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宗教育委員也是本委會初登場時間6加2謝謝沒關系 你要準備一下 |
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好 首席 在場的委員先進 列協政局局長官員會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請葉主任委員 國會葉主委委員長葉主委我好像是第一次在這個經濟委員會跟你請教我最近有觀察到國會因為你來好像變得更活潑來我們看一下 |
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WEC你看了沒?看了你們國發會大家看到廢宅擠出紅布浪開不開心?開心所以你們馬上說趕快聯繫廢宅的經紀人我要給他就業金卡是這樣嗎?是是喔?結果呢廢宅有沒有給你回應呢?還是運動部蚌席的經紀人回應怎麼樣?廢宅要不要帶他的新婚太太一起來台灣用就業金卡? |
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還在聯繫當中但我們那個就業金卡提供他非常多的一個哪些好處來就業金卡有什麼好處第一個就是說他可以沒有次數的可以進出台灣然後放寬這是放寬公眾碼就好像委員的那一個簡報上面重點是大家看到眷屬可以依親居留我想台灣的球迷都希望看到他們兩夫婦一個在啦啦隊一個在球場上拚搏對不對 |
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但是我覺得除了肯定之外呢我們來看一下就業金卡應該不是這麼第一次嘛有沒有過去哪些就業金卡的方向潛力譬如說YouTube的陳世俊還有經濟領域台積電的人資處處長吳思廷經濟領域還有MBA的霍華德運動領域對不對我們國外就業金卡有哪些領域 |
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總共有12個領域有12個領域好那你的目的是什麼目的是找這些人來做你的招牌嗎你背後的政策目標是什麼我背後的政策目標就是促進台灣的企業產業的轉型我想也是因為他們做了航棒之後能夠吸引更多不亞於他們或者說他們雖然是亮眼的但是有其他能夠大量的來投入為我們台灣所用對不對對好我們看一下但是我們看一下你目前就業經考的申請比例有點怪怪的 |
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你看經濟科技教育呢加起來就超過了四分之三其他的法律建築國防運動才有一趴而已12個領域當中我們為什麼會有出現這樣的一個分布的極端分配呢主委你的看法是怎樣因為我們國內相對的就是說最近這幾年半導體相對的比較蓬勃發展所以對於這部分的需求相對比較多好 但我們會滾動式檢討我的意思是說 |
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這些就業金卡是不是冰山一角反映出底下台灣在這12個領域的人才需求的不同數量好 那很好 那請問你告訴我台灣在這12個領域的人才需求你們有統計 有預估嗎你們什麼機制來判斷台灣在科技領域需要多少人 幾萬人台灣在運動領域需要多少人所以我們就從這些領域當中透過就業金卡吸引這些人來有沒有一個這樣的一個規劃目標 |
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有沒有你們吸引人才有沒有分12個領域希望有個目標數我今年這個領域要吸引一萬五千個人有沒有我們有依照那個對於每一個領域他未來的那個人才需求我們有做一些推估啦推估好那這個推估怎麼推估出來的你攬財的目標如何設定是反映出產業的需求還是反映出目前我們國內人才培養不足的缺口到底你是問了哪些部門問了教育部問了經濟部還是問了勞動部 |
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產業的需求也有以及國家政策的方向也有有沒有一個明確的一個評估方法一個機制有沒有 |
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你這個提供給本席 我很好奇因為國發會很重要 很樞紐你必須了解勞動部那邊現場的情況怎麼樣產業面未來的需求怎麼樣教育部人才的培育的未來供給量怎麼樣所以你對於這個國際人才的膽才你才會設定目標 是不是這樣對 我們會後會同書面資料來現在台灣的人才缺口擴大中現在全世界少子化第一名是哪一個國家 生育率 |
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可能不是我們就是韓國吧沒有啦 韓國已經被我們超越了我們現在是最後一名啦新加坡也很嚴重啊我們才看到二月份的新生兒跌破7000現在才6000多 這個大家都新聞啊所以呢 魏哲家說台灣人才不夠那怎麼辦 人才缺口 少子化不足用什麼方式 其他國家怎麼做 往下看 |
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新加坡跟日本都跟台灣一樣面臨少子化的新加坡啊他沒有到什麼就業金卡人家功成名就的才邀請他他從大學端就出手啊我常去新加坡啊他們的新加坡從馬來西亞鎖定那些優秀的高中生招引來新加坡大學過了三年兩年他們就評估 |
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四年就業要畢業的時候他就請新加坡的公司延攬他還給他一個PR 你知道這樣做嗎你們有跟教育部這樣的構想嗎台灣每年收那麼多的境外生這些有沒有我們未來需要的產業人才有 我們對於那一個橋外生來我們台灣念完書之後留在台灣的那一個你們跟教育部有合作嗎有有有合作計畫給我了解一下好 |
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日本不一樣 日本的他不從大學上多少他嘛 重金懸賞啊他出來條件比台灣好啊你知道日本的條件有沒有比台灣好 |
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你有沒有比較過?人家開的薪資水準比台灣高,同樣是國際人才,他跑到日本,他跑到台灣來幹嘛?你了解嗎?有沒有做過比較?這個比較的結果也給本席看一下,我要了解,往下看修法後,我們去年才修法,修法後台灣的纜財稍微有一點點提升但是從舊保來講,舊保險來講,台灣的限制是要永久居留權才可以日本不限定用居權就可以用啊 |
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適用勞退制度 台灣是排除中階技術人員日本是不限工作身份都有用 主委你知道嗎 |
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這個不了解對不對你們的同仁要趕快幫你做跨國比較搶人才不是台灣自己內部的產業在競爭我們要跟其他國家競爭好嗎好那這個部分要做好那往下看那纜財我們還有哪些條件可以放我們看一下我們的權益保障依照身份我們有分級影響到他的就業保險勞退跟補助目前最嚴重的就是中階技術人才他沒有辦法自由轉換雇主工作彈性低對不對這個部分要不要檢討 |
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好那什麼時候可以給本席一個檢討後你們的評估報告我們會後會後會後是什麼時候待會就可以跟你拿嗎一個月嗎一個月可以好那你一個具體的我們目前雖然上會席修改了兩台專法但相較於其他鄰近的國家我們是不是有需要強化的地方我也希望這個國發會要好好的去做一個思考好最後我們來看一下 |
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攬財專法,我們因為人生的少,人才不夠所以去外國求便宜,開條件去吸引人家這不是台語說的不是套路啦最後還是要怎樣?生育率要提高嘛生育率提高是國發會的責任嗎?請問一個分工,權責是誰?老跟少是那個陳時中政委在督導是,老跟少是他督導,那衛福部要去對不對? |
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但是你們也可以貢獻是是是懶惰的人才廢仔跟他老婆會不會在想台灣生小孩會不會會我覺得不會最近Dcard一個什麼台灣的職場怎麼對待孕婦的有沒有看到這篇文章有沒有看過 |
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有沒有知道我們的職場的不友善對家庭的生育不友善不只是政府的制度沒有誘因而已我們的職場文化對於懷孕這件事情是不友善的這當然不是國發會的權責但是國發會你要去統合其他部會如果說這些懶男的財願意在台灣長留久用是我們的希望是 |
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他如果決定在台灣定居移民也是我們內政部要去爭取他如果在這邊生小孩更好小孩生了他就在這裡穩定了是不是這樣子所以你的攬財專法只是中間這一段但是往前往後延伸勞動部的職場條件經濟部的企業文化我們教育部的對境外生的招生 |
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還有到我們的衛福部對生育的補助 這個都是需要的來 請告訴我在這一塊懶財專化 你後續有沒有可以幫忙第一 定期的評估機制 就是人才的需求缺口這個你答應要給我 一個月後另外 人才長留九萬的配套措施有沒有包括友善職場 讓這些懶來的財在職場的時候 對他們的生育有友善 |
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可不可以是你一個方法可以可以喔好謝謝我們希望看到呢廢宅帶他的新婚老婆啊在台灣不只辦了就業金卡還在台灣生小孩好不好好你答應了嗎沒有啦我會努力讓這樣的事情發生是會發生好謝謝謝謝總幹部委員謝謝主委主委先請回座應該要鑽石卡鑽石卡好不錯好下一位資源請楊瓊英委員 |
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謝謝主席 陽泉發言人邀請主委國安會議員主委委員長 |
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主委好 國防會在3月9號你表示1月份的景氣燈號是亮紅燈認為國內的經濟是穩定的成長但是在同樣這個時間裡頭我們看到中東的戰勢升溫而且赫姆茲海峽這個航運受阻所以在整個全球能源的供應是進入到緊張的狀況 |
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所以我們看到世界各國都已經開始在做管控或者是節能的預備動作像印度他們很多的餐館也有準備要歇業因為能源問題 |
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像這個越南他也要求企業必須要遠距辦公室來節省來節省這個燃料的這個部分他們都在節燃那在我們國內我們看到台塑化跟台塑它發出了不可抗拒的這個通知所以在上游的乙烯跟丙烯供應不是很確定不是很確定那下游塑膠包 |
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塑膠包彩的部分報價也已經都在上漲而且據聞大概市場價上漲了兩成六兩的塑膠提袋漲幅也大概有四成左右尤其在醫療用的乳膠的手套這個非常的重要在醫界裡頭也出現了缺貨也有廠商他不敢報價他也不敢報量在這樣的一個情況之下 |
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這個統裝瓦斯統裝瓦斯現在啊大概有漲了大概40塊左右坊間在查問所以顯示了能源的衝擊已經從整個石化的產業趨向在民生的這個末端裡頭 |
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那但是在我們官方裡頭我們是看到一個這個紅燈而且是穩定的一個成長所以我們沒有看到能源緊縮所帶來的結構性的一個能源結構風險那在整個的評估這個主委 |
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我要請教 當全球都已經進入到能源爭奪跟供應商不是很確定的一個時代連石化業的原料都出現不可抗力民生物資也開始在漲價的這個情況那你的連續亮紅燈 你是不是會擔心 |
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有沒有將剛剛本席所說的這些的因子放入在裡面還是你認為我們的人員沒問題我們有買不完的原料來源請教主委 |
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因為那個中東的那個軍事衝突是在2月底的時候啊那我們那個國發會那個緊急登報2月的時候其實是在統計資料以前這個部分也要謝謝主委你真正承受 但是跟委員跟委員報告就是說 |
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那我要給社會大眾了解 因為大家有疑慮那也謝謝主委你說的你是在二月初發布這個紅燈的這個部分那這一些的事項在二月中二月底陸續出來所以你換句話說二月初所發布的這個紅燈是沒有包括剛剛本席所說的中東的戰爭以及能源的這個危機 是不是 |
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我們發布的是1月的緊急動作對 所以沒有納入嘛沒有納入嘛對 2月的我們還沒有對 好 來請說明對 就這個部分來講的話因為政府院長召開的那個穩定物價小組的話他現在是變成是每一個禮拜他都會開那 |
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在上個禮拜他也宣示大概五項措施那也就是雙環長以及專案的環長還有對於器材油以及大宗原物料的稅賦上面的減增來講的話也擴大到50%那對於農業部這個部分來講的話他也持續的在關注所謂的肥料的價格這個部分 |
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那其他的一些政府部門也都會關注著整個物價的那個波動的情勢那避免那個業者在哄抬價錢或是壟斷還好主委你說明了因為你在3月9號表示今年1月是紅燈大家會一誤以為 |
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我們還都是2月3月都是紅燈會誤以為所以本席也希望你們所做的措施要給社會大眾來了解我們理清楚要將這些的因子納入進來那講到了末端的民生這是最重要的所以本席具體建議統裝瓦斯不能漲好好的照顧我們民生的這個價格穩定請說 |
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經濟部好像是有宣布就是說不是好像啊連你都不知道什麼叫好像你是國防會主委掌控了所有的最重要的各部會的資訊你還笑得出來你今天這個這麼重要跟對於我們民生的 |
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這個物價漲因為你統裝瓦斯漲我們小吃店要漲小吃店漲民生又全部一起漲那這怎麼辦呢你怎麼會連這個都不知道呢因為3月的話我們是不會漲的然後之後會再跟中友這邊來協調所以本期具體要求統裝瓦斯是牽涉到民生非常重要的關鍵絕對不能漲好不好 |
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會來協調3月3月已經不會漲了但4月的話我們會7月下幾個月我們會看那個整個中東的那個軍事衝突的規模以及所以主委你身為我們國防會的主委我是很敬重你這樣子重大的政策跟民生的議題一定要清清楚楚一定要清清楚楚讓人民放心所以我再次具體要求這樣子的不可抗拒的因子存在的時候我們的統裝瓦斯一定不能漲好好的照顧民生對不對嗯 |
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好 謝謝你的回答 這個點頭是對的那麼本席要請教 在我們能源方面卡達的供氣不確定性一直在增加那麼我們現在雖然有14個國家但是卡達的進口量還是佔了三分之一在剛剛你們所說的 你們有去調整但是我們看到我們的這個液化天然氣安全存量是大概12天 |
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日本30天 韓國50天在這樣的情況之下 行政院推出我們可以短期的趕快去買增加美國的氣源的佔比但是照目前短期來說我們到底要怎麼樣能夠讓人民安心我相信能源的不足會 |
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它的供應已經不穩定的如果成為常態性的話那對於整個產業對於整個國安以及對於整個經濟的內心它是影響非常的大所以身為國防會的主委本席要請教我們未來要怎麼 |
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去應對剛剛本席所說的這個能有問題不能只有說我準備四月份要火力要開這個本席站在我台中的立場中火的部分我們依照既有的量數都已經有制度有規範也要照顧我們中部地區人民的這個健康這是本席非常的堅持請教 |
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跟委員報告就是說經濟部已經啟動液化天然瓦斯他有三個措施一個是提前調貨然後在亞洲部分也在做調貨還有從市場買現貨三個階段來存 |
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該做那個調度的作業那目前可以確保的是國內3月跟4月的天然液化天然瓦斯供應是沒有問題的那也會完成國際新的新約的簽訂那從6月起的話美國的那個進口的氣的那一個天然氣會這樣大幅提高那個比例那同時也掌握了很多傳奇的一些調度這樣子那在3月的話統裝瓦斯是不會漲的 |
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所以這個能源的部分本席還是具體建議因為這個比照國安的議題非常的嚴肅的一個議題你只有說在3月份沒問題但是我們的安全存量是不是還是依照目前的只有12天因為日本30天韓國50天我們到底是什麼民眾不清楚我希望你把具體的 |
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這個這個天數以及怎麼調配給社會大眾來了解也給本席一個書面資料最後我給你一個功課也就是我一直強調的我們的人口已經達到26個月負成長我也跟你前任的這個主委一直在討論這個議題跟你討論過 |
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所以本席給你一個功課也就是在今年二月份的時候我們看到這個數字是破天荒的數字而且我們預估今年的出生率大概不到9萬人那在這樣的情況之下會影響到我們整個的生產力也一樣 |
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比較國安的議題在做嚴肅的一個討論目前你們所做的生育養育這一些的政策在做但是我們看到的答案反而是越來越下降所以我本席具體建議請你去盤點目前你的這個方案已經不可行的時候你要怎麼樣去調整你的精進方案你把這個精進方案一個月內給本席好好的去 |
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延逸 要不然你用了這麼多錢但是你的答案反而是預估今年是達不到9萬那這個是大家非常憂心的一件事情因為你要怎麼樣將人口的結構好好的去規劃那這個是本席具體要求一個月內將你們經濟的方案給本席好 謝謝好 非常謝謝楊瓊議員那請葉主委一個月之內提供要委員需要的資料好 請主委回座 |
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好 下一位委員請振振前委員去諮詢你沒有拍攝好嗎謝主席我想請一下葉主委請葉主委 |
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委員長主委好我先延續剛剛楊瓊英委員她關心的人口問題那因為人口問題確實是也是大家都非常關心的問題因為其實從最新的那個獲證資料來說的時候我們二月份真的是低到六千多人破七千非常的少那今年全年預計九萬可能都要很拚那我們看到了一個數字就是說整個的 |
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那個政府從107年投入到整個人口少子化那個相關的一個計畫當中的時候花了很多的錢從107年到115年就是主委知道說整個成長了幾倍你知道嗎 |
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你算那個金額嗎?對來我直接跟你講啦從107年的199億到了115年的1136億投入了整個少子化對策計畫當中那這個這幾年就增加了五倍的一個 |
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那個經費可是我發現我們的人口成長還是不斷的往下修不斷的往下修那這個問題剛剛楊前議員也有問到那我特別關注的一件事情是我們在整個少子化少子化對策計畫當中的時候去年9月核定了2.0的版本主委知道這件事情嗎有 是OK那2.0的版本跟之前的100 |
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107年到115年這過程當中這計畫當中原本有一個很重要的一個目標就是在119年的時候我們的人口生育率要到1.4這個數字不知道在2.0這版本當中有沒有改變有 我們有有改變是不是 改變到多少因為它現在的話是看它現在的實際上的環境因素 |
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因為我們那個整個還在還在預估說那個整個生育率因為我們那個整個少子化的嚴重的程度比我們原本預估的還要更嚴重所以會再慢慢的再再再提供資料給給衛福部 |
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所以說針對這個部分因為我看到114年9月核定的我國少子女化對策計畫2.0版本當中的時候把這個1.4這個生育率119年的生育率把它拿掉了我在想說是不是因為生育率的不斷的下修下修到連國發會都沒有辦法去預估到時候會有多慘 |
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所以這個部分我希望能夠很快的把這個數字弄出來你沒有這個數字我們完全沒有辦法去去監督我們行政部門對於整個少金融化這個計畫到底執行的情況怎麼樣跟委員報告因為我們國發會每兩年會做一個 |
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理解那今年剛好我們也會再做一次的人口支付那我這邊另外再提一個狀態因為針對這個掃增的話我們這幾年增加了五倍的預算可是出生率還是不斷往下修我提出一個概念因為現在西方世界他們有時候在提到UBI就是全民基本收入Universal Basic Income這個計畫當中的時候我想台灣還沒有做 |
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可是我希望國發會去研究一下這個部分是不是適合在台灣去推動那我們希望說少者化問題完全變成國安的問題所以我們這部分國發會這邊一定要非常嚴正以待不能夠覺得說它自然就是這樣子我們就雙手一攤什麼事都沒有好不好那這個部分請國發會好好的加快那同樣一個月之內給本辦公室一個很完整的資料好 |
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那麼接下來就提到因為我看到今天國防會的一個夜報當中的時候提到了很多產業的發展感覺欣欣向榮那去年的經濟表現確實也不錯可是很大一部分都壓在了半導體跟這是AI的部分那我從新竹來我對這部分感受非常的深刻因為在新竹說實話不會感覺到經濟不好可是很多地方大家可以很明顯的感覺到台灣的經濟發展是很 |
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兩極的一個情況在走當台積電一家公司的市值可以佔整個台灣資本市場的43%到45%的時候你就會發現這當中有多麼的一個扭曲那我在想說當我們在講說就是算力就是國力的時候 |
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那算力依賴電力所以我這邊我要特別請教一下朱主委就是按照我們就是那個天然氣失業法當中相關的一個法規的時候我們的安全的失業儲量大概是幾天 |
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安全存量的天數大概是11天目前是11天這個數字沒有錯吧對 經濟部那邊那不是11天當中的時候那經濟部他也表示我們大概3月份的時候大概有11.9天4月份大概有11.5天可是5、6月因為中東戰事的狀態現在可能是不足的狀態那目前要怎麼去解決這當然是一個很大的一個問題可是我今天要特別問的是 |
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因為我看到了在我們國發會當中的一個會議當中在去年11月20號第135次委員會記錄當中的時候直接講到了就是台灣的國內天然氣安全存量只有7到10天那我不知道這情況是國發會的數字是精準的表示台灣現在實際上面的安全存量只有7到10天所以是經濟部這邊的數字不一樣還是你們 |
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統計的方式不一樣這個部分我再請那個同仁去查一下好 針對這個部分的時候你直接查因為那個我們很清楚從會議記錄當中看到這樣的資料請主委這邊查好資料之後再跟本辦公室做一個很清楚的交代另外就在同一次會議當中的時候也提到了因為我們在2022年當時提出來的一個就是 |
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2050的近年碳排的一個執行的一個路徑當中的時候提到天然氣大概佔台灣整個發電量的50%那在這過程當中特別提到的一個光電的一個部分我們預計在2030年光電要達到30GW那麼到去年底我們統計數字是多少 主委知道嗎 |
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好像是我們還沒有達到16萬所以我直接跟你講PTT上面都已經有寫大概是15.58GW大概一半左右那我們到2030年肯定 |
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光電這個發電的量可能也會不夠於是在這次會議當中的時候國發會這邊有人提出來說對於目前農地只有40%可以用來做光電這個部分可能要鬆綁有確定這樣子嗎可不可以請主委做個回答 |
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這個我再回去查一下那個會議記錄但目前來講農地鬆綁的話好像是還不是一個確定要執行的一個證據還沒有確定應該要鬆綁嘛對不對可是因為在那次會議當中他提到說農地沒有鬆綁的時候這個30GW在2030年當中的時候基本上目標是達不到的 |
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所以我記得問的這幾個問題我發現主委都要回去再去多了解那沒有問題我們要解決問題尤其電力就是國力這件事情是不容忽略的一個事情當我們很多的一個經濟成長都壓在半導體跟AI的時候你沒有電力這事情是完全沒有辦法做的 |
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當台電在告訴我們從苗栗以北的時候所有的那個送力中心完全不允許的時候我們就發現台灣的電力是非常的緊張的現在中東有戰事的時候那台灣這樣子的一個光是一個天然氣的安全儲量的時候經濟部跟 |
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國發會講說的數字就都不一樣我們對於台灣的能源非常非常的擔心國發會這邊好好去統整一下然後競速給本辦公室一個很清楚的說明安全存量這個部分的話就是11天這個應該沒有任何意義可是因為你們的135次的會議紀錄很清楚提到他們的安全存量是7到10天我不知道是誰出錯 |
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請主委這邊詳細跟本辦公室做說明好謝謝謝謝鄭政前委員請主委先回座下位質詢陳廷輝委員待會10點半要休息在主席質詢完之後我們休息7分鐘好下位質詢請陳廷輝委員 |
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謝謝主席 我們請國發會主委國發會業主委委員好 |
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主委我今天要跟你談兩個台南現在非常重要的一個交通建設一個就是我們捷運那我相信我們國發會就是know-how在整個關鍵的一個決定性雖然國發會現在都說尊重行政院的意見可是我是必要讓你知道我們現在整個我們的捷運的問題關鍵在哪裡 |
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否則如果在討論的時候你們還是說我尊重行政院那行政院也不了解地方的狀態 |
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然後整個案件是退來退去你知道嗎 這個案件退來退去是影響到我們的時間耶一條捷運藍線從賴清德院長的時候 核定了可行性評估到了現在今年10月才有可能要進行發包才有可能喔如果時間在延 |
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有可能今年看不到喔沒有那個跟委員報告那個行政院在去年10月21號已經合訂沒有捷運藍線我現在跟你講的是捷運藍線已經都合訂都已經經過了8年你要聽我說8年我們第一條的捷運藍線今年在10月才有可能要進行發包才有可能喔 |
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如果時間在拖 可能今年捷運那些也看不到可是你知道嗎 這才一段欸今天捷運如果沒有環狀 不要說環狀我們只期待半環狀 你沒有把環狀系統做出來它的運用就不會出來 它的功能性就不會出來 可是你知道 |
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中央因為不了解地方所以都說哇你們要先從這個舊城區開始先推可是你知道嗎在整個藍線它的問題是我們必須整個串聯來那個主委你看一下我已經都為你畫好了我希望未來如果再討論到我們捷運的問題請你站在我們地方的立場 |
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我跟妳報告捷運第一期攔線只有一小段喔可是一小段會有運量嗎不會櫻花連接永康東區的轉運站仁德的轉運站就這樣 |
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他會有醞釀嗎 不會他必須在延伸所以藍線第一期的延伸線第一期那個藍線的延伸線重不重要 很重要他要接到高鐵 |
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他要接到高鐵你把轉運站再接到高鐵這個運量會不會出來一定會出來而且這邊施工不會有很大的問題我們先要從施工方便而且不會造成地方很大的困擾這邊要先推動再來我再跟您報告深綠線深綠線也是連接當你 |
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這個藍線延伸出來之後它的深綠線接到哪裡接到南科接到南科重不重要很重要我們知道高科技人才在很多地方從新竹從我們桃園從我們北部下來他做了高鐵 |
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它直接可以做我們的捷運穿梭在南科還有我再跟您報告因為它還可以延伸到我們的南科四期就是我們沙崙綠能科學園區這個是我們現在在推的也是我們的南方大溪谷其中之一我們整個AI的運算中心都在這裡面 |
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所以重不重要 這個整個產值就出來了 運量就出來了啊還有一條 叫紅線 紅線是要接高雄台南接高雄 未來可以延伸到哪裡延伸到我們的高雄機場捷運所以這整個半黃狀 你看 整個量能是不是出來了 |
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哪有運鏈會不足哪有沒有經濟效益我不知道中央是怎麼考慮的可是你知道我們卡關多久了案子退來退去退來退去到目前還叫我們再修正好現在整個這幾條線包括省旅線包括藍線延伸線包括紅線目前都在地方政府依照我們中央所說的修正要修正 |
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我很擔心在這修正上去不知道要給我們什麼樣的軟釘子吃可是你知道嗎一條藍線如果沒有這些配套的延伸半環狀它的整個機能跑不出來它的效能跑不出來 |
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這些可行性評估都已經過囉我們議會都過囉已經過了好幾年囉現在在卡關好 我們還有綠線我們這個會期 議會的會期會通過這條綠線的可行性評估可是才是議會通過還要經由交通部這是在第二階段第一階段的部分 我們這幾條 |
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都還在卡關所以我今天會用這個時間跟我們主委報告就是說我要讓你知道我們的地緣關係我們的地理環境尤其我們現在整個科技量能在放大台積電我們的護國神山所以從南科一南科二南科三再來到南科四起這個整個串聯我相信這個半環狀對我們太重要了 |
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所以 主委我今天會用時間來跟你報告這個事情是希望你更了解我們地方的需要 |
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可以嗎 就這個部分我們會協調交通部因為那個台南捷運紅線跟深綠線啊以及黃線這些都還在交通部那一邊沒有 那個藍線延伸線黃線還在做可行性評估我們是 藍線在國發會 藍線延伸線對在國發會 但其他的都在交通部 沒錯我們會協調交通部 沒錯所以主委我會跟你說這幾條串聯起來他的半環裝量能就出來了 |
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是不是如果你沒有你光一條藍線你的量能在哪裡完全沒有啊你如果沒有藍線延伸線接到高鐵然後呢再一條深綠線接到我們的南科然後南科123就可以直接跟南科四起銜接然後未來 |
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我們的捷運 我們的機場捷運高雄我們要留一個空間 對不對我這樣子串聯起來而且這裡目前我們的民眾的一個壓力沒那麼大所以我們如果不趕快動工當周邊的新市鎮在上來你很難動 你很難動 |
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所以主委拜託幫我們盡快溝通現在大家都在踢皮球都在踢皮球但是都不了解地方所以拜託這個要趕快跟我們核定因為我們還要再送下一段 |
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你這前面沒有完成你怎麼送下一段全部卡關拜託然後另外一個我講的就是說第二個就是我一直在爭取的螳鐵五分車狼帶的地方創生 |
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這個是目前我已經爭取了我們的鐵大發展基金來支應補助經費我們整個掀起計畫的規劃那我們後面就是整個周邊我們的創生計畫目前台南市政府也已經送了整個計畫都修整了依照我們這一次我所提出的唐鐵五分車路線掀起計畫的這樣的一個脈絡 |
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做串聯做連結不是各自做各自的好之前都是各自過各自的我覺得太浪費我們的預算了所以我們從這個114年10月27號開始一路走一路走走到今年 |
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一路走走到今年終於看到一點點一點點一點點曙光也就是我們已經爭取了鐵道發展基金來支應整個掀起計畫所以後續包括所有已經送到我們國發會的整個所有的創生計畫 |
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拜託我們要有一個平台跟各個單位去做推出的動作 |
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否則如果沒有的話這個就一樣就是卡在那邊好 主委再拜託這個都是牽扯到我們西北地方的發展跟我們整個西南所有環狀區域的一個發展所以這個拜託 謝謝好 謝謝陳委員 謝謝葉主委接下來有請邱昭偉質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請國安會葉主委好 請葉主委主委您辛苦了我想國安會主要的這個在政府裡面定位是要規劃協調國家的重大的政策規劃很重要 協調也很重要有些的重大的政策是牽涉到跨部會的我第一個問題要請教一下葉主委就是說運動產業 |
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如果能夠發展得好 是一個很大的商機如果規劃不好 就變成說看球賽的也少 周邊的商機也少以日本的例子來看 日本的這個運動產業 過去二三十年發展非常好我想請問您 如果要推動運動產業的發展 這個屬於運動部的業務 還是屬於經濟部的業務 |
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產業的話我認為應該是運動部跟經濟部要一起這個當然是跨部會的我查過日本日本是他們文部省下面有個運動廳加上他們的這個內閣裡面的這個經濟產業省METC共同去規劃政策去執行編列預算不可能單一這個由運動部或者由經濟部所以你看他們的職棒 |
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幾乎每一場 他們有兩個聯盟 球隊那麼多每一場都是客滿 每一場都是滿場不只職棒 他們的職難也是如此 |
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職業足球也是如此職業足球現在人數超過這個值棒所以這就是有政策在推動過去20年前台灣的這個男子足球水平跟日本是一樣的現在日本已經變成全世界這個前10名的這個非常重要的強隊那台灣還是100多名如果政府有政策支持 |
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一個產業就會發展所以這個部分我是希望說國會站在一個協調規劃的一個角色能夠跟經濟部跟這個運動部結合起來看看怎麼樣讓台灣不用現在台灣有大巨蛋農藥可以4萬可是它們滿場的機率不大那當然比過去幾年進步很多了過去幾年大概不到1萬現在這個去年的數據大概就超過1萬但日本是4萬 |
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美國也是如此所以我是期待說未來啊這個我也想說基金委員會是如果有機會去考察考察日本怎麼樣去推動運動產業的發展包括從大巨蛋的選址規劃這個也是國家重要的政策然後產業怎麼樣去透過減稅優惠然後讓更多的這個企業能夠投入這個 |
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讓民眾能夠把它當作這個生活的一個部分這樣子運動產業能夠振興起來這個運動帶動國力所以這種我希望說是不是盡快由國安委去統和了那以下台日關係友好您私人身份可不可以去日本可以啊可以嘛當然你是這個政府重要的這個算是閣員也是日本相當於大臣 |
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國發會定位你相對日本他們是哪一個大臣應該是經濟安保吧我的認知經濟安保是內閣府底下的特命擔當大臣經濟安保特命大臣還有金融特命金融大臣是屬於任務編組有時候奧運什麼奧運大臣 |
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所以他現在就是大概是Akazawa是斥責大臣負責美日的這個關稅談判就是斥責但是他平常另外還有一個經濟產業省是斥責亮正我剛剛說的是小野田小野田紀美是目前高市首相非常重要的左右手所以高市首相任命他為內閣府的所謂經濟再生這個經濟產業大臣 |
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所以這個部分我希望說如果我們台日關係那麼友好 |
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這國防會也可以試著這個突破是不是跟他們的這個內閣府裡面的這個這個產業經濟產業這個再生大臣啊或者他們相關的這些主管或者是經濟產業省MVTC有一些業務的交流他們包括少子化的對策包括這個運動產業怎麼去振興啊他們都很完整這個幕僚的規劃 |
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所以我覺得這個台日之間在官方特別是非安全部門經濟部門的這個這個事務階層或者官方階層的這個官員的這個協調啊 |
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這個很重要 這個主委你會不會去規劃有有有 目前正在規劃怎麼樣來進行加深就是說日本的一些經濟政策尤其是經濟安保這一塊以及其他的一些 譬如說像委員講的一些運動產業的發展不是派一個經濟組的同仁收集資料我是說你要儲存還去對對對 會會會拜訪他們的 包括小野田 紀美這個大臣包括施責量證大臣會不會還 |
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因為提出這個需求我想以現在高市所向對台灣的友好行政院54年第一次去到日本同樣我覺得有很多過去做不到的我們趁著這個台日關係最友好的時候能夠去突破也許你可以代團代經濟部代體育部有在規劃跟他們討論什麼樣各項政策少子化什麼樣都可以跟他們請教 |
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好 謝謝委員另外這個大巨蛋就是說不要說大巨蛋我認為說這個AI時代應該是大製彈Smart Dong不是一個很傳統的蓋一個大型的室內的場館這個不要重複資源浪費要選擇一個最有力的場子不要每個縣市都去設要去協調協調你這種北 中 南 |
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都有一個大型室內表演或是比賽場館也許因地制宜台北市大概有4萬可能南部就不需要那麼多南部可能就是2萬然後你要有捷運通過你要有產業的配合比方說我的選區就是鋼山橋頭是螺絲扣進的重鎮也有鋼鐵也有捷運高速公路也方便離機場也近 |
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而且還有這個三級棒球的這個訓練基地這個我希望說未來可以結合其他國家經驗有好的交通環境有這個相關的這個後勤的安排後勤補給這個不要那麼大叫做Smart Don把AI導入用最經濟的這個生產的成本比如我們是鋼鐵扣件這些是我們在地的原料 |
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人才也多土地又是台塘的所以這部分國發會應該要去協調而不是由各當各縣市自己去爭奪戰如果你誕生的不好那後面的維管問題很嚴重誕生的好啊帶動運動產業的發展我認為啊未來這個大型運動場館室內運動場館的這個開發建設這個要比照捷運 |
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中央要支持 要審查通過之後給一些地方政府一些建議加上裁員補助這個主委您覺得呢 |
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就這個部分來講的話我們會從我們自己國發會本身開始做因為我也在思考就是說我們中興新村裡面有很多運動場館但那個運動場館不見得是棒餃我們沒有提到中興新村我是提到我南部那一塊我知道我知道但就是說對於整個運動產業的規劃來講的話我們會開始先從我們自己我是召委我要以身作則因為時間到了那其他其他問題我日後再跟你請教好沒問題沒問題謝謝 |
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好 謝謝召委 謝謝主委 現在我們依照前面的宣告休息7分鐘 |
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他每次都很熱鬧我沒有學過報告我沒有,我才不講了他重點是女性是不是要跟人家交往我有最重要的經驗,就是不能太大聲,就算你見到人家大聲,不能講過為止台灣跟另外三個國家沒有正式幫助他那個五眼天王 |
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你送幾個禮物? |
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講到小野泉 |
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他也不一定跟我去啊,對不對? |
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有在回覆美國就是我們的反財美東跟美西,美東的話親歷了因為我們這次進行是教育部、國科部、衛生部 |
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對,然後配合美國,美國是配合台灣,台灣是配合台灣現在到底是要找到哪一個特殊,也沒有什麼特殊的經驗 |
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因為這一個從去年受訪到現在也沒有自打那個時候是大海賊賊賊賊賊賊賊 |
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現在先吃後腦袋道因為 |
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每日對每日對日還不一定每年也有可能跟在看一看反正我們現在希望就是經驗方式比較好經濟會長然後去美國看看 |
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看中間的,我再繼續 |
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你已經辦公室了好啦 你已經 我就簽了這個是原住民傳字條這個是願板和刑法這也是願板和刑法那這是衛福部有預計修改的文件然後這是民間有預示環境修改的文件好 謝謝謝謝威良 謝謝 |
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喔 等一下 等一下 |
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好 請這個列席的官員請回座好 現在繼續開會我們繼續質詢 下回質詢請鄭天才委員好 召委 請國安會主委請國安會議員主委 |
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主委好 辛苦了今天在答詢的時候你有特別提到相關115年度中央政府總預算案尚未審查所造成的影響 |
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在去年12月24號我國發會也在財政委員會做了一個報告這裡面提到近3000億的新興新增計畫將無法推動 |
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事實上在預算法第54條對於總預算的審議如果不能依51條的期限來完成的時候各機關的執行可以依下列規定支出的部分就是新興資本支出及新增計畫可以依第88條規定辦理或經立法院同意者不在此限 |
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所以這個部分事實上在預算法都有一個解套的解套的方式事實上在這麼長的時間這個國安會沒有去協調組織總署各部會把這些符合預算法第54條的這個相關的這些新增或是新興的資本支出體重道理法院 |
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而立法院主動立法院主動提出這個提出這個一一算法五十四條提出這個先行動之所以這個部分國發會這個在說明的時候也把它講清楚了這個當然今天這個不是今天的議題了好我們看今天的這個國發會的報告 |
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當前經濟情勢這個台美關稅的問題相關這些尤其是美國關稅政策都不確定到目前為止然後這個相關中東地區的衝突所以川普的關稅案被美國最高法院裁定違法 |
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然後又祭出301條款台灣成為最大的受難者這個是相關媒體的報導然後密切中東你的報告裡面特別提到中東軍事衝突所以請教一下這個主委我們就先談這個 |
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美國的關稅政策對我們的影響因為今天你的報告都沒有提到但是整個報告裡面都是說很好很好到底是怎麼樣總是要讓我們的 |
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人民然後各個產業能夠了解跟委員報告就關稅這個部分的話跟我們有比較有關係是ART那一個部分ART那一個部分的話目前是美國最高法院宣告就是說這個部分是違憲的所以 |
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這部分就是美國現在正在安排其他的一些法律工具所謂法律工具就是最近美國商務部推出來的301以及美國那個智慧財產局推出來337他們會用其他法律的工具去建構他之前跟其他國家所商議好的這些對等關稅所以他有用其他方式去 |
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去滿足這樣的一個過程那另外一個就跟我們比較另外一個有關的就是MOU這部分MOU這部分跟那個美國最高法院的那一個判決是沒有關係的所以MOU這個部分來講的話我們還是保有所謂的232的最惠國待遇以及一些投資上面的一些雙向投資的這樣的一個協議這樣子 |
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所以這個部分我們還是要密切的怎麼樣去了解然後怎麼樣去做最好的一個防範或是可能防範也很難了但是最起碼怎麼樣去 |
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協助這個產業,協助人民,包括農民,農移民,協助過這樣的一個不確定的因素了那尤其是現在馬上已經面臨的,已經面臨的就是中東的軍事衝突 |
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這樣的一個情形我們的相關的因為我們的這個油天然氣主要都是靠進口嘛目前的影響怎麼樣 |
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目前的影響就是說經濟部目前已經對於3月跟4月的LNG的這些天然氣的一些調度的話目前都沒有問題那至於4月之後的話他會增加對美國的一些採購以及再從澳洲那邊去調一些天然氣進來 |
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那就原油這部分來講因為原油我們的安全存量相對比較久一些但是還是一樣會開始去開發其他的一些多元的一些淨油的管道那對於我們國內的CPI的一些影響的話依照以前的一些研究啦就假如說國外是1%的話就是那個整個比如說油價上漲1%的話對我們國內物價的影響就整個天然氣來講的話 |
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可能也是介於大概一到二之間 油跟氣都差不多那歸結的原因第一個就是說政府其實在我們國在我們國內政府常常會扮演所謂的動漲或是緩漲這樣的一個角色來評議評議所謂的一些物價這樣子那另外一個就是說我們國內對於能源的使用也慢慢的越來越有效率然後那個整個也相對的一些比較多元化這樣子 |
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所以使得那個衝擊相對來講的話會比較減緩一些當然我們還是要持續關注說這樣的一個軍事衝突會持續多久那有一些國外的一些報告是在預估希望能夠像你所說的那麼的減緩希望但是因為我們不知道它的衝突是多久這個戰爭什麼時候會結束我們不知道 |
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即使像這個赫姆茲海峽,只封兩個國的船隻,那我們的船隻,我們的運輸的這些天然氣的船隻敢不敢過啊? |
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不確定所以這個很大的風險所以我們還是要做最壞的打算怎麼樣去因應這個是我們所要面臨的最後這個國會的報告裡面特別提到開啟國家檔案館創新服務新里程這個很好要繼續的加強的做在這邊也要建議 |
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那原住民族的部分也必須要去考量了因為原住民族的部分 |
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也分散在各個不同的部門以過去台灣省政府來講除了早期的民政廳後來成立的原住民行政局那還有包括其他的譬如說教育來講就以前的教育廳像地政還有不同的一個部門當然很重要的過去 |
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這個民意的中心是在省議會嘛所以省議會的那些省議員的質詢啊然後這個跟這個省政府之間的一個一個來往說明包括 |
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後來包括中央的部分就早期是內政部內政部當然還有包括別的叫教育部都有關係所以這個部分也請能夠把它列一個專案處理好不好好 謝謝委員的提醒我們這個部分也正在整體當中對於原住民這個部分謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝曾建財委員一座先請回座好 下位諮詢請李玉玲委員 |
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謝謝主席 請葉主委請國務卿 葉主委委員長主委最近我們台灣的經濟實力展現的非常的強勁而且有韌性但是我們看到所有社會的世界各國裡面大概都集中在AI晶片的需求 |
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所以我们整个推升了半导体供应链的出口成长所以在2025年的时候我们国际对于我们国家的经济成长率的已经高达了8.68%在我们的人均国内的生产毛额这个部分的话也来到了37,830元的这个美元所以我们首度看到我们有超越了日本跟韩国尤其是我们主要 |
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的這個成長都是集中在這個AI的部分那我們希望我們看到經濟成長的當下我們對於我們人口結構這部分我們也要關注但是少手化情形是越來越嚴重在我們2025年的經濟成長這麼高的情況下已經15年新高了但是我們看到我們的 |
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這個少子化的情形 61個月都一直在下降出生率都低於這個死亡率所以請問一下國防會對這方面有沒有在檢視或者在評估就人口推估這個部分來講我們今年還會再做一次因為沒兩年我們會做人口的那個推估那因為上一次做推估的時候 |
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那個估計值有點相對的比較樂觀一些啦所以造成那個差距有比較大那我們今年再做一次的話會相對的改善一些推估的一些方法然後讓那個整個少子化的關鍵問題在哪裡你知道嗎就是不婚不生嘛 |
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年輕人不婚的原因第一個當然是不婚不生的原因造成不婚不生的原因第一個是職場有沒有友善以及經濟壓力還有就是說整個譬如說像價值觀的一些還沒有辦法很快的能夠轉變譬如說像男性 |
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我們看到亮眼的成績都在AI跟半導體這樣台灣的勞動力八成都在這個製造業跟服務業所以這薪資停滯跟帶來整個我們工作環境的狀況所以看會推升了整個物價房價跟養育的成本這就是最關鍵的問題所以房價也是居高的問題所以你要怕養不起小孩所以不生不養的問題 |
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才會造就出來所以現在你們的推估裡面就是說在2021年連續61個月出生率都低於這個死亡率在2025年你們這出生人口你們本來推估到12萬後來出生人口變成是10萬7812人很多的專家學者都說今年也許會跌破9萬人您的看法呢 |
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是不是會跌破9萬我們看但我們盡量就是說從最壞的情境去假設這個人口的狀況你也說了你們之前的評估可能太過於樂觀那這樣子你們還是說會推估的這整個假設的情境跟統計的這個模型是不是已經過時了 |
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我們這個部分會在這一次的時候做四檔修正會做四檔修正看看你們這個情境 假設的情境是不是太過於樂觀因為我一直在跟你強調房價 物價 養育成本這你要注意的 好不好 |
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那所以說在你人口推估的報告裡面這50年的人口結構的變化裡面你們推估出來的結果是這樣子的話你們在整體的報告裡面今年的推估報告會再延後嗎 |
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之前你們延後了那今年是兩年一次嗎?今年會再延後嗎?8月就會出來了好要如期出來那所有剛剛提到的重點你們也要好好的去檢視一番但這一邊也跟那個委員大概分享一下就是說其實我們在做推估的時候其實還有另外一個重點是我們大部分是看長期的 |
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像這種短期的波動的話我們也會考慮進來但不會說是短期沒有改善長期也看不出來對這個會有一些因果關係是沒有錯的這個數據才會標準嘛你們當然是看50年的啦但是你這每兩年去推估的話才會事實改變你們評估的方向有錯的地方才會做修正嘛 |
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另外一個就是說從長期的角趨勢去看的話比較能夠擬定比較合適的一些人口政策啦因為長期長期的趨勢假如說比較能夠掌握的話那人口政策的退估的話會比較能夠確實這樣子 |
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是 所以本席也提醒你的最重要的關鍵問題所以你們的一定要把放進去做個評估的標準尤其是物價房價現在很多是房子你要選擇房子還選擇孩子這二選一耶已經到達這種程度了所以不昏不生 |
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不養這情形會越來越加劇所以主委一定要看看你們整個設定的標準模式要符合現在社會整個環境的結構好不好好 謝謝委員那在接下來的話本席要請教主委的問題就是說現在我們國發會在近期公布的一月份的景氣燈號已經連續兩個月都是紅燈 |
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我們出口是能夠呈現是穩健的成長但是我們國際局勢的話不確定的因子一直在增加當中那整個美國對於這高關稅的這個一直變來變去一下32%到20%到現在的 |
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ART還沒有簽訂他就現在推一個122條款出來現在又有301條款這些情形我想請教主委你對於現在他們在122條款跟301的話你有什麼看法122條款跟301的話其實301其實是在補足就是說美國他們先前宣稱要去全世界科證的那個對等關稅那個稅率來 |
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他就要去滿足這樣一個東西但對我們來講的話因為我們跟美國已經有達成一個協議所以其實我們至少達成什麼協議就台美的那一個ART跟MOU嘛至少我們跟美國當然還要再送國會啦送我們立法院啦但至少在談判上面來講的話 |
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美國的那個貿易署也有說過就是說他們在實行這個301的調查的時候也會參照說有簽協議的這些國家的一些狀況這樣子所以其實某個程度來講的話我們至少在ART跟MOU這個部分來講的話我們拿到的兩個最惠國的待遇的話其實對於我們產業來講這個最惠國待遇還生效嗎 |
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第一個就是說目前還在跟美方那一邊做協商所以還沒有簽訂嘛所以在美國高等法院這個判決之後對於之前的所有的談好的這些關稅都是無效的所以才有後面的現行的122條款的10加N122條款跟那個美國那個最高法院那個是不一樣我知道那就推翻之前的稅例要適用於122條款嘛 |
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不過現在我們的稅率是4%加MFM所以現在又還有301你剛剛講的會對於我們這些東南亞國家16國裡面做一些調查因為就目前美國貿易署宣稱的那個301的話他有分兩部分 |
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美國一波是要調查所謂的那一個過剩產能另外一個是強迫勞動那就強迫勞動這個部分來講其實我們在跟美國協商那一個MOU跟ART的時候其實就有談過了那美方對於我們目前的執行狀況也算是我們要去關心美國會去用這個301的話最重要是看說美國跟其他國家的這個貿易逆差的有沒有繼續擴大繼續擴大的話他可能就是有一些要保護他們政策所以 |
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國發會你們相關的就是你們負責就是我所有資源的分配跟所有各部會的協調所以你要好好的去做個協調的工作讓我們的關稅能夠穩定讓產業能夠永續發展好不好好沒問題謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝李玉玲委員謝謝國會主委謝謝李委員時間掌握非常精準下一位質詢請謝一鋒委員 |
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謝謝主席 我請國發會葉主委 請國發會葉主委委員長 葉主委早我想請問在這一次的關稅美國對等關稅不確定的影響之下你認為為什麼今年你們的評估又是逆勢上漲是因為又有搶單的效應嗎 |
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第一個最主要的就就有我剛剛在業務報告上面說的就是說全球的那幾大的CSP廠其實對於資本支出來講的話又在增加原本預估只有6千那是不是因為在10%跟15%不確定的因素之下的搶單效應嗎 |
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因為很大一部分是因為CSP廠商的資本支出是因為雲端供應商的資本支出增加但是我想要請問的過去 |
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就是說國發會希望說國內的供應商都可以轉移就是說出口的基地那希望到歐洲到日本等等可是今年歐洲日本都因為這個對等關稅而造成他的經濟的上漲上行沒有利那這樣子會不會影響你們的佈局 |
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這個部分來講的話目前整個廠商的佈局比較像是往美國那邊佈局現在還是都是往美國嘛對 整個AI的供應鏈的一些關係所以也沒有往其他地方也有啦只是說那一個部分跟美國來比的話相對的比較沒有那麼多這樣子 |
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所以就是在變動的調整之下我們還是往美國佈局而沒有就是往全球其他地方佈局也是有啦只是說那個美國的比重比較大啦那如果未來301會不會對我們造成 |
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嚴重的影響就目前來看的話301他關注的兩個議題就是生產過剩嘛另外是強迫勞動強迫勞動對我們來講的話目前看起來是相對的衝擊會比較沒那麼大那那個生產過剩的這個部分來講的話那可能會對於我們的貿易順差過多的話這個部分他們會有一些想法可是貿易順差過多的這個部分其實已經在ART在談判的時候其實已經有討論過 |
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所以那個時候會跟美國簽的那一個協議是15不疊加可能也是因為這個部分的原因所以那一個整個貿易逆差過剩的這個部分就是我們對美國的貿易順差過多這個部分的話其實已經在談在簽訂那個ART的時候的話其實已經有談到 |
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那這樣子會不會對於其他因為我們的半導體還是倡萬但是會不會對於其他的就是中小企業就是傳產這一塊喔或者是會有就是更不利的影響傳產這一塊的話就去年大概12月簽訂時候的話其實傳產對於15 |
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十五不疊掉這部分的話其實他們是相當的相當的支持啦也就是說我們相對對於一些其他的一些競爭國譬如說像日本韓國的話我們其實跟他站在同一個起跑點雖然說我們長期以來跟其他國家簽NFT其實那個加速非常的少跟韓國沒有辦法比但整個產業在調整的過程當中的話只要說相對的優勢沒有差很多的話其實國內的廠商其實那個調適能力是非常強的 |
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就食物不叠加的話其實是一直以來他們希望能夠達成的一個方向所以我只是想到那個台積電都可以去美國鳳凰城這樣子那麼嚴峻的那個地方那其實我們彰化也是你知道嗎我們彰化其實即便有一些地方是那個條件不是那麼好其實台積電也可以來投資嘛對不對 |
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台積電有在台中但是不是要去彰化這個就看看國發會主委有沒有大力的那個支持是不是跟台積電聊聊可以但還是企業自主尤其現在國發會你們是單一的窗口在就是我們那個保險業要投入公共建設那你們在就是說認定什麼樣子的基礎建設適用於這樣子的 |
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你們是單一串口嗎對我們會負責就是說廠商跟我們申請那有關他會歸屬在哪一類以及適用哪一個法規我們會跟相關的主管機關去討論我們不會只是收件送件不會不會我們會因為你們我剛才看到了你的業務報告裡面你就涉及了非常多的公共建設以及相關的就是說基礎的建設對不對那 |
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我想要請問你,到底台灣裡面有多少的這樣子的公共建設以及基礎建設是適用於保險業可以來投資的物流,我們現在新增訂的是物流跟AI算的對,我是說有多少,就是說規模 |
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規模對你們有沒有統計規模過去幾年來你這樣子規劃過去幾年來到底有沒有保險業投資國內公共建設以及基礎建設重要的亮點計畫那這也要變成說未來怎麼樣引導保險業資金投入國內的基礎建設以及公共建設那這因為又涉及到所有的 |
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保護的權益的問題以及就是說在風險的係數上面那怎麼樣子設定那當然保險業希望說風險係數較低以及有致償率的這樣子的項目比較符合保險業來投入國內的基礎產業以及公共建設等這樣子的一個誘因嘛是不是 |
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那我們也希望導入這些資金來到於我們國內的公共建設以及基礎建設的投資那這個部分你們怎麼規劃 |
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我們目前會跟財政部商量就是說他那個整個基礎建設以及公共建設這個範疇可不可以再大一點然後讓一些譬如說像數位基礎建設有興趣做數位基礎建設的這一些廠商也能夠適用這些租稅的優惠這樣子那譬如說數位的數據中心對像譬如說像比較 |
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對像算力中心的話已經公佈還有另外就是另外一個剛剛通過就是物流就物流業嘛對對對就是基礎建設這一塊所以就是未來物流以及算力中心等等還有就是下水道或者是污水處理這一塊再生水廠會嗎 |
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這個我們再跟那個財政部那邊商量我們目前對也會嘗試的往這個部分去做規劃所以基本上只要是跟五大信貸產業還有AI新十大建設有關的一些產業然後只要他的現金流是一個穩定的話其實我們都可以考慮跟財政部來商量那未來有什麼亮點嗎 |
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未來的亮點的話基本上就是說開放民間去設置我說已經過去就是這個計畫裡面有沒有亮點可以提供大家知道說怎麼樣子讓保險業能夠就是這些資金能夠導入我們就是不管是地方建設也好就是這些基礎的建設目前我們我們嘗試的在讓現在規模都不夠大對不對 |
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我們現在目前有談一個大概500億的啦是不是規模都不夠大沒有辦法不方不方便透露啦就是說有一個大概有500億我覺得這個部分必須要再更加更多具體的案例以及怎麼樣子就是說引導這些保險業的資金能夠就是說投資國內的公共建設那這樣子對於不管是公部門也好私部門也好那這樣子我們 |
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臺灣的經濟發展才有更好的成長 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝 謝一芬委員 業主委先請回座下一位委員我們請陳超明委員時間6加2主席首先有請我們國會 請國會業主委 |
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首先有一個問題要請教你就是我們國內的財經雜誌對我們國內企業對於政府推動AI的一種進行調查那所有調查顯示來 |
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業六成的企業都知道我們現在政府在推動AI政策但是大多數人對於政府推動AI的進度及方法及辦法並不是很熟悉這很重要的一個觀點所以有三成對於政策都沒有辦法感受到 |
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那在AI硬體及軟體的方面九成的企業最關心的就是電力充值以後記得九成的企業在關心我們的電力是否有能充值的能夠使用那34%的業者認為AI人才不只是最大的挑戰其中傳統產業認為最嚴重 |
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包括高科技業即使要拖日的話成本非常高以資料都尚未系統化問題都存在在這邊那我現在第一個問題請教你 |
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伊朗、美國、以色列與中方是戰爭在來的這個低延政治很厲害現在原油或是天然氣的都是大漲那我們一般的資料說中油只能儲存14天 |
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那像現在這樣的狀況你們只有去應對只有高價去跟人家調度我們的天然氣我相信有應該我們存量過但是天然氣的存量不夠你有沒有什麼應對的措施 |
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會不會到時候變成斷氣啊?不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會 |
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五月六月也不會 因為常常的都一直在做調度大家都很擔心啦 心驚膽跳的你不能夠要人空子是天然氣發揮掉的 你不能廣元工會要實施 |
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不會啦 不會啦 因為經濟部都已經在協調中然後我想到一個問題你現在推動AI的轉型是全民共識但是你們宣導的力道非常的弱我看到你們在報章雜誌都在寫你們的政績偶要怎麼做沒有幾個 我會看啦 |
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我一定要看這跟委員報告我們那個AI新十大建設在1月的時候經過行政院核定之後的話我們3月底我們4月初會出一支影片尤其那些什麼電視台啦名嘴在講話叫他們做一件功德你去買時間叫人家說AI對台灣的未來發展有重要沒重要大家去聽不然你只有這樣 |
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我講做工的,不然有些都是胡言亂語啦是是是這說得對,回補台灣一下把AI當成全面的共識,台灣要推動這樣的計畫台灣才能轉型,容易站在有利的競爭地位好不好我們會加強廣宣啦,只是說也要請委員支持因為我們有一些廣宣的費用一直沒有辦法通過你的任務理念,除了五大的信賴產業 |
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你最重要就是推動AI新十大建設你也到韓國考察認為AI對於國立理想的關鍵性在於應用能夠落地這個最重要這個會應用落地非常重要我之前有跟你們說過目前的分工軟體的話在市委部白宮白鋭在你們經濟部 |
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在那個經濟部啊 你是國外的主導單位啦 我會說這裡面有偏差我覺得事務部啊 你給他專門去做打砂的軟體如何去防 如何各種能查清得到因為所謂AI的產業裡面 落地的時候要跟實際在配合 |
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你這裡有特別說到產業AI化AI產業化你說有智慧應用還有關鍵機制還有智慧機盤我帶你這個車要賣這麼多 |
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所以你說AI要產業落地的話現在作為我們堅實的後盾裡面培育新世代人才培育實力產業實作人才招攬專業的人才 |
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那關鍵技術你要曉得很重要這裡面一定要去突破不然我們機器人沒有用一個頭腦MVD還是MRE他們都在發明這個我們台灣要做有困難 |
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關鍵的技術在哪裡?就是眼睛跟頭腦跟手腳,這要像人的靈魂,技術是太重要所以我們用機器人,這很重要,不然你要用金工、造物、產業的在使用,這個技術一定要來推動當然人才很重要,技術要靠人才 |
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所以在這,我一直告訴你們要實際的推展尤其百工百業在用 |
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有 經濟部都有在做啦 經濟部推了很多硬體台灣大概很強 要來追有困難但是在軟體的應用裡面真的要加強有有有 經濟部都有在推AI市產線不是啦 我講的是司衛部來的你那個軟體我講啦沒有就地 我現在再跟你講一下 我了解AI懂AI的人不一定懂得技術 記得這句話 |
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懂AI的人不一定懂得技術你只懂AI你不懂得產業的技術的我們AI推動的人不是你所以這個要突破另外有一點非常重要 |
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懂AI也懂得產業機制的人他擔心他個人公司的競爭力怕技術外領能逃倉博所謂AI的落地應用你真的要想出一套好的辦法去解這個是實地在推展目前所遭遇的困難 |
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這個我會跟那個訴訟部協調我看你是在做事情啦,我很相信你再來我一個問題,我一直跟你講陶瓷廟大溪谷計畫,我們質量科學研究第二期你們當然是審核計畫的人但是我常常叫你出來跟我協調質量科學研究第二期大溪谷計畫國科會不敢當主管機關,他怕說要拖地 |
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這個國科會沒有擔當 只有給學士機構那些國科會我實在不放心因為為什麼 他們已經成立習慣在南部的開發都是用公有地台場的土地但是在北部沒有北部沒有我們要產生一個方法 方式來解決 |
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我幫你擺脫整個變了 你都這樣不回應我看你是實在是做事的人不像做官的人我只想說你做官應該也要想做事情啊有啦 我有在做事情我現在都沒有去啊我跟你說 我自己要求兩件 |
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如果可以的話,我們不要國科會當主管機關,我們由經濟部當主管,你給我們報到行政院,我們就先來開花。委員,這不是我國法委員當過行政院。不是,我不是這樣說,你協調的單位這樣就沒人要做事了嘛。三個人,靠水沒水好啊。 |
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我只拜託你一項,你應該替我們去爭取,跟行政院說,說引渡就有這個困難,國科會不會極端爭說,也沒有那樣的人才,也沒有那樣的人力,乖乖的不會地方的協調, |
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因為那是屬於 國科衛單位主管機關授權給苗栗政府開發他要30公頃50公頃的肉地 我們給他 談好價格給他這樣不跟事情會突破 不能說那裡還沒用 這裡還沒用要做多少人做什麼事情就是要突破困境 解決問題 才是做官的能手 |
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才是真正能替百姓服務 我只拜託這兩項我會持續追蹤 要不然我開始幹掉啊你這個政府無能 這樣出了這個問題沒辦法讓人改觀我跟你講我還要問一下市長這要喊國科會你喊到國科會 國科會的態度很明顯嘛為什麼那麼怕 您不覺得別人可以做啊國科會我沒有辦法督導他啦怎麼沒有辦法 這個政府沒有辦法 |
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我感覺這樣政府是無能的應該可以去協調怎麼講沒有辦法我們在法國安教我們也是要去一再加油三的協調 |
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你這個人想要來做某些什麼事情我本來對你期望很高,今天我要繼續執行但是我們的趙薇站起來了你看,今天穿著西裝黑衣,臉在微笑叫我要下執行台,下次站久一點啦好謝謝謝謝我們陳昌平委員精彩的諮詢請主委先回座謝謝陳昌平委員 |
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下一位執行員請張家俊委員主席我想請葉主委請國會葉主委 |
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好久沒有在質詢台上碰面了那今天呢我想要跟主委討論的話題是有關於少子化的這個危機那根據統計呢台灣今年二月的新生兒數量僅有6523人創下 |
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3月歷史新低紀錄與去年的同期相比更是呈現了雪崩式的衰退衰退了37.32%少了3884人回顧去年2025年全年的新生兒還有10.7萬人但是目前的這個崩跌態勢來看今年的新生兒總數恐 |
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跌破10萬大關喔我想這不是危言聳聽喔可能是目前的保守估計那我想請問主委您認為今年台灣還守得住10萬新生兒的這個防線嗎我們努力鼓勵大家多多生育 |
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我現在今天就要問你 你的努力在哪裡你的實際的政策在哪裡我先繼續講一點事實上我認為國發會的這個人口推估一直過於樂觀我翻出2020年國發會發布的人口報告當時推估要到2054年新生兒才會跌破10萬結果現在的狀況就有可能在今年跌破整整 |
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提早了28年耶 整整提早了28年當然這不是你任內做的模型 也不是你任內做的報告但是呢 我相信這是一個嚴重的脫節那民眾怎麼能夠相信說現在政府推出的少子化對策真的能夠對症下藥呢尤其我們從2018年到現在這個成立的少子化辦公室 |
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到現在你知道花了多少錢了嗎?剛剛真正前委員有大概看了一下多少錢?1000多萬吧1000多萬跟1000多億你知道差多少嗎?我算了總共編列了高達5931億委員你那是累計的吧?當然是累計的啊 |
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5931億就算是累計也很高啦 8年欸是多少錢欸結果你這些錢花下去了不但沒有成效還產生崩跌的效應那國發會有沒有思考一下說你現在是哪裡沒有落實還是你的正確方向不正確才導致 |
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這樣子的結果呢因為就是台灣面對到很嚴重的不婚不生這個問題那我在中研院的同事也有做研究就是說目前我們的補助這樣的一個效果對於是不是能夠引導40的婦女去生育這樣的效果看起來好像沒有那麼的強 |
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所以變成就是說我們可能要另外一個思考就是說我們的目前在推的一些政策可能有一些部分要做一些滾動式的檢討所以在少子女化對策計畫2.0這部分的話是希望從養育養育住子啊就養育養育住子這五大方向來 |
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看可不可以讓我們上市應該是說 主委 我跟你建議這個可能會是你主委任內最能夠做出成績的一件事情而且最能夠影響台灣的一件事情因為人力及國力啊我們人口一直減少這是一個國安危機而且這是你最能夠凸顯出你在主委任內最能夠有的作為你要想喔 2018年我們的出生人口還有18.1萬 |
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到了2025年我們幾乎腰斬只剩下10.7萬而且在這當中我們是砸了5931億想解決少子女化的問題結果花了這麼多錢然後投入了這麼多資源 |
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沒有半點幫助之外還腰斬了這真的是一個值得我們去省思的問題那我舉一個例子好了舉韓國的例子過去呢韓國是我們少子女化的難兄難弟我們差不多是同樣的狀況 |
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但是他們2023年生育率那時候是低谷全球最低在0.72但是在2024年他們為了因應這個危機成立了人口戰略企劃部結果他馬上有成效 |
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韓國的生育率已經連續兩年止跌回升2025年他們的生育率已經重新重返0.8新生兒人數呈現正成長還創下他們四年來的新高那主委你有研究過為什麼韓國可以而且他們是短短兩年內就開始逆轉成功這個是不是值得我們借鏡呢 |
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這個部分我們會參考一下南韓以及新加坡的一些資料然後我們看說有沒有什麼地方可以進進不過跟委員報告一下就是說這個部分我們也會去跟那個陳時中政委那邊以及衛福部那邊做協調啦但這不是我們國防會督導的這個部分 |
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我知道,但是你要建議啊,否則你國花費怎麼都不歸你管你根本就是不是一省心啊我們會去參考一些南韓國家發展都歸你管啊我們人都沒了,還管什麼南韓跟新加坡的一些成功的一些方法然後我們來做一些市場建議我現在就告訴你關鍵在於哪裡關鍵在於政府有沒有覺得這是一個嚴重的事情有啊,當然有 |
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政府有沒有決心說這件事情是我們國家要面對的嚴峻的困難我想韓國跟我們最大的不一樣就在於韓國他除了發放津貼還有各項的福利政策之外他們更勇於去規定企業要接入育嬰福利而且大幅提升男性育嬰價的比例 |
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韓國是政府帶頭聯手企業多管齊下在催生那反觀我們我們就是停留在撒幣發錢的這個傳統思想就不敢用國家的公權力去調整整個生養的環境就是男性申請育嬰的那一個比例有很大的一個進步是 但是我的意思是說你決心要拿出來啊 |
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整個生養的環境是要政府帶頭去聯動企業把它帶起來否則你知道女性求職她一知道你懷孕了你可能就是下一個要被砍掉的人就是你了對就是這一個這個就是一個文化的問題嘛我們的企業不知道說要去保護我們的下一代甚至這些都是我們珍貴的國家資源嘛所以呢我真希望說 |
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主委能夠真的大刀闊斧拿出決心韓國可以力挽狂瀾我們怎麼可能不能而且我們不是沒錢我們這短短幾年投了5900多億你知道5900多億可以做多少事情我們投了這麼多錢還一直崩跌可見現在投的錢是 |
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就已經投到水裡去了所以我希望這個政府展現決心把政策力道完全的把它展現出來用國安層級的高度來面對少子女化的這個問題好不好好好謝謝 謝謝謝謝張家俊委員主委先回座校會諮詢請賴世保委員 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國會會的主委 葉主委委員長主委長我先請教啦就是你到現在為止還認為我們今年的GDP可以到7.7嗎 |
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我 樂觀樂觀? |
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嗯啊 優佳不會影響嗎?優佳已經漲了25%囉 有人講30%囉優佳要看說他 呃 看那個中東這邊的軍事衝突是啊 看起來短時間是打不完的 |
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有國外的研究機構有指出說可能會在四周左右但這個是一個現在不管幾周現在已經破百了短期的話我希望剛才主計長還說只要油價漲10% |
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GDP就減少0.12那主計長給我們的公司就減少0.12現在已經漲了25%了現在已經漲了25%了所以就是等於要減0.3但是因為我們國內都有一些緩漲跟動漲的機制所以其實那個效果可能沒有那麼的嚴重像主計長這樣10%0.12這樣子 |
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你打臉主機長喔沒有 也不是打臉打臉主機長 主機長他就說那個那個比較的情境可能所以你會認為不管川普那邊怎麼打阿美尼奧是怎麼打那麼這個7.77.7絕對是鐵的一定有 |
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那個也要考慮啊我這邊只是在進一步的說明就是說組長講的那個情境跟我們現在目前國內的情境可能有一些差異性這邊跟委員分他講的就是國際油價國內不管有沒有環長基本上來講是有影響的 |
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不會沒有影響會有影響對但只是說那個影響是不是到0.1210%會影響到0.12這個部分我們再細部的再來看所以你還是樂觀估算我們今年一定有7.7以上是不是假如這個軍事衝突在一定的時間之內解決的話一定時間是多長4個禮拜 |
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這個我很難 但是國外的那一個報告是有講說應該最多機率 機率比較大應該是有些分析師已經講說美國已經進入新型的大蕭條這句話你同意嗎好幾篇的分析都這樣子你同意嗎我覺得 |
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每一個預測機構都有不一樣的假設啦沒有你同意不同意嘛他講他們美國人是經濟冷暖不均跟我們一模一樣我們越靠一支股票在台積電啦股票漲跌就是看它沒有啦就台積電這個部分來講跟我委員分享就是說台積電應該今年還是一樣還是繼續漲啦還是會不錯啦還是會不錯啦你意思是什麼來回到我今天真的要問的就是主權基金現在進度怎麼樣 |
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這個部分的話就是說你們負責要評估的啊是你們啊我們這負責評估是沒有的報告出來沒有現在還在就是就國外的一些執行的狀況什麼時候可以出來 |
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這個可能要院這邊做沒有你啊 什麼國發會啊 你要先出來才有現在就是各個相關的那個部會會員收集資料所以你什麼時候可以來端落什麼時候我只能就國發會這邊說法我沒有辦法代表其他的部會但我們這一邊其實有你是主管 |
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評估的單位啊所以我國防會這一邊要給我一個時間表 現在已經很久了從去年到現在已經去年到現在已經三四四五個月了我們國防會這一邊其實有做一些國外案例的一些比較你告訴我 總是來這裡講一點話嘛你來來來 你跟我講現在是positive還是negativepositive還是negative 回答我 |
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委員所謂的positive negative就是請教要涉還是說不要涉positive就是要涉negative就是不要涉主權基金要涉應該是一個比較一個政策的一個方向因為其他國家都在涉了像南韓的話今年又退了兩步沒有其他國家啦因為很多國家沒有涉了啊 |
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大部分很多國家大概有60幾個國家全球195個國家有設的幾十個像30幾個一樣像中國它也有設以色列也有設韓國也有設那新加坡設的也有設美國就沒有了有美國他們有要推也有設現在為止沒有因為沒有辦法補貪大家都想說我多賺錢問題要有料理 |
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所以我問你請教你外匯的使用是要有償還是無償這部分還在評估啦要不要立特別法 |
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我們這邊會建議用好強烈的反對無償的使用外匯這個請你記清楚謝謝謝謝賴市長委員主委先回座下位之言請蔡議員 |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是邀請國安會主委 |
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主委那昨天我們嘉義舉辦這次的台灣燈會那這個台灣燈會在昨天完成閉幕那這次的台灣燈會是給嘉義 |
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讓嘉義的知名度大大的提高很多人都來這個燈會看到很多不一樣的一些燈會的一個演出那我特別要提啦在3月3號的時候那有這個燈會的這個煙火 |
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這個燈會的煙火事實上在我們去年東石海之下的時候一樣是有放這樣的海上煙火所以這個煙火的廠商就來自於我們自己在地布袋東石 |
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那這個廠商事實上這段時間都沒有去溝通一些比較本質的一個問題就是說國內事實上在做高空煙火的廠商已經不多了大概國內剩三家其中兩家都在嘉義一家在嘉義的海區就是東石一家在嘉義的山區在大嶺這裡是製造商他們同樣都面對一個很大的問題就是說 |
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我們針對高空煙火高空煙火這個是強調專業的他要炮到這麼高的空中他那個技術面的門檻非常高他跟傳統的炮竹工廠是不一樣的 |
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但是我們卻沒有針對高空煙火把它跟傳統的炮竹工廠把它做一個區隔那直接很直白的就直接定義這一些高空煙火就是說這樣的煙火產商他們沒有辦法來申請燃燃的移工意思就是移工沒辦法請外勞來幫他們做這些工作 |
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那以主委您的判斷現在台灣要來從事這些煙火的製造 |
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我們可能大概家長也不太希望我們的子弟去這個從事這個危險性相對比較高的所以意願低那意願低他們就請不上人那明明我們國家有這麼高技術這麼好的國內的一個煙火製造製造的一個廠商他們甚至在疫情的期間我還幫他們協調讓他們的這個煙火可以順利出火出火到美國的迪士尼 |
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美國的迪士尼都是用我們自己自己當場的宴會捏那明明是國內之光結果我們卻把它在定義上沒有一個清楚的定義讓他們到現在跟他要請人就很困難捏我覺得正好在燈會的結束那也事實上凸顯這個問題而且我這個問題我是在 |
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三年前開協調會那你們跟我說會來檢討檢討這件事就這樣拖拖拖拖了三年過去了到了今年的二月好像經濟部才終於把這個案提到勞動部 |
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三月底他們會討論三月底才會討論三月底快到了那我可以期待了嗎意思說我現在可以期待了經濟部已經提案了勞動部三月底他會討論討論最後的結果怎樣的話當然討論結果不知道啦 |
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但是我要講到就是說我們對於產業的需求讓我們政府的動作太慢你看光是這樣我從三年前東石開始在推這個煙火的故鄉這樣的一個概念的時候我就不斷的說基本上這種高空煙火不要把它視為傳統的炮竹工廠他們是需要有移工的一個需求的結果這樣一講講了三年我覺得這真的是效率上是值得再檢討的這樣好不好好 |
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第二個事實上我要跟葉主委這邊來討論我們中埔這邊事實上有多份的研究報告都已經表示說事實上中埔這個地方這個中埔的中輪這個地方事實上它是有地熱的潛力 |
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它就像管那樣啦它就像管那樣地下是同賣的所以這裡有非常好地熱的一個潛力那既然有這個地熱的潛力咧我們事實上這個 |
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中油啦中油在去年114年的11月11號他也做了一個高溫地下水層的一個評估報告針對中浦鄉竹頭旗段400之一號這差不多就是中波的分水過稀就比較進去那樣這樣的一個評估報告他認為說基本上 |
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你只要把它開挖你把它開挖到了大概600公尺它的底層溫度就有到43度但是如果你有辦法把它開挖到了1225公尺到1450公尺它的底層溫度就可以到達70度那過去還有一份專家的一個學者的一個地質報告他認為中輪溫泉這裡如果你把它開挖到了3公里以上可以到150度 |
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所以這裡很明顯是一個很充沛的一個地熱的一個區域那國發會一直長久以來對這個地方沒有關注到大家都在講能源的一個新進能源的開發的時候卻沒有去講到這一塊我目前拿的這兩份報告咧他們的評估並不是在做地熱並不是在做地熱的研究他們是在做溫泉 |
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溫泉的研究 因為我們知道現在關子營的溫泉事實上也可能需要一些新的鑽探的一個點人家就在那邊看說 唉唷 中部 差不多就在中輪這裡這裡的水也夠 地底下的溫度也夠 所以這個地方適合開發溫泉 |
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但是我覺得這樣的話野心是不夠的啊如果他可以再往下再深挖一點溫度會提高到了100度以上甚至到150度的話那為什麼我們不朝向這裡來做地熱的一個開發呢 |
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來有請主委這個部分我們再跟那個經濟部那一邊去商量一下因為加入委員的委員那個資料是不是可以分享給我們可以啊可以啊因為這個是第一個是中友的採購事業部另外一份是過去一個專家學者的研究意見我再跟那個工部長這一邊反映一下 |
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我覺得說台灣正好在我們嘉義中輪這個區段有這麼好的一個天然的一個地熱的一個優勢我覺得我們主委這部分可以好好來然後最後再問一個就是說因為我們知道說現在面對整個世界半導體整個AI的趨勢那揮打領軍的現在對於AI的需求越來越大 |
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台灣我們所扮演的就是由台積電他們所提供的一個晶片甚至這個晶片經過先進的封裝就是揮打他們現在一定最需要的一個晶片那我們現在國家也宣示了我們將投入所謂矽光紙的一個國家隊那我想要請教主委 |
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那種預算新興計畫是延宕的那我們這個矽光子的國家對的推動會出現怎樣的障礙可不可以主委您稍微分析一下公聽怎麼看待這件事啊就假如說預算沒有辦法順利的話那對於我們 |
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整個在人才啦以及整個的那個時程的部件上面來講的話會有蠻嚴重的一個延宕啦那甚至就是說在這個矽光子這個部分來講的話我們是希望就是說矽光子這個技術能夠在繼續的精進那雖然說我們目前在矽光子以及矽光子的封裝這個部分來講的話我們的技術算是全世界獨有的那我們也希望說在這個部分 |
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可是他就是在台積電啦可是我們知道說你台積電他需要人才啊他需要這些人這些人就是要我們現在說的四方子國家隊把他整個從人才練到研究產官學研這整塊要起來這是要經費研的 |
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那這樣的話就是說 我覺得主委我們既然這段會出總綱應該你們就要講給社會聽 要講大聲一點這件事就太嚴重了世界的趨勢 整個AI的一個浪潮不可擋的情況之下我們既然就因為鍾以神讓我們的新興計畫沒辦法來執行哇 這個真的是很誇張了今年已經三月了已經過四分之一了鍾以神都還沒出來這真的很慘 |
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主委辛苦了 謝謝委員謝謝蔡議員令人感動的資訊主委先回座下位 柯平財柯平財不在 下位請張雅琳委員謝謝主席 我們有請那個主委跟檔案局局長柏惠葉主委檔案局局長 |
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主委今天想跟主委請教就是關於促轉基金的議題我想主委這邊應該知道說我們的民間禁用平台已經上線了那其實從我自己2024年進來的第一個會期就開始一直關注這件事情那也非常感謝就是在國防會的主委國防會還有我們檔案局的努力之下 |
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我們現在上線那目前呢我自己其實已經問了一些有申請的民間夥伴大家都對這個評價是蠻好的包含申請的流程非常的清晰然後送件之後也有專人來電確認資料是否正確所以基本上對於已經知道這個資訊的夥伴來說這個政策是很好的但是但是但是他們為什麼知道這件事情呢其實是我告訴他們的 |
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為什麼 因為我發現我們在整個初轉基金的宣傳上面值得再加強因為我們基本上只有在國發及國發會上面有宣傳然後行政院發言人有講一句話檔案局自己最高流量的粉絲頁竟然完全沒有這一篇的露出所以我想我們現在申請進度第一波已經到了20件的確算不錯2121 好 |
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但是如果我們沒有持續更多的宣傳我們就沒有辦法加入新的團體新的個人讓這件事情突破同溫層所以我不曉得說主委您對這件事情的看法上面我們在宣傳上面還能夠怎麼再加強這一個部分我會請那一個局長這一邊把相關的資訊看可以大家在官網上面的話我們可以有一個區域我想除了因為現在官網是有公告但是我們在粉絲頁因為檔案局的粉絲頁其實流量是蠻高的可是在粉絲頁我上面是完全沒有找到 |
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對對對 會在FB上面會放除了臉書上面 不只FB啦就像Trade上面也可以放我想除了這件事情另外還有就是說我這些來申請的一些團體呢是之前其實有參加說明會的可是這些說明是這個更離譜的地方就在於說他明明有參加說明會可是他竟然資訊是從我這邊得到也就是說我們連那一波說明會的團體有沒有告知都是一個問號是有告知嗎 |
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我們是有含有含發學校跟團體啦只是說可是當時參加說明會的因為當時我們在整個這個是有因為我問了好幾個他們都說他們不知道這件事情所以我想這部分是不是還可以怎麼樣再多做宣傳好不好那所以後面的那一個宣傳端就是說我們除了宋志華可能還要再再再 |
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目前是投件之後服務非常好可是宣傳如何讓更多的人可以知道這件事情我覺得這是要再強化的所以我想另外可能也會鼓勵啦就投件的人可以也幫我們廣就是周知一下 |
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當然我想這大家應該是公司協力啦因為我想國發會過去以來不管是地方創生也好或是這個新創計畫大家都跟我們講說這個國發會做得非常好也就是說國發會有這個專業去串聯民間跟政府這個部分所以我希望這個部分也要一起努力放在促轉基金上面所以接下來會怎麼樣宣傳這是不是可以給我一個簡單的報告好不好那大家什麼時候可以給我 |
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一個月嗎一個月好嗎不用那麼久啦四月都要公佈了好不好我們是不是兩個禮拜就可以了你簡單你那什麼想法對啊兩個禮拜就可以了吧好好好那再來就是說我希望就是說我們在目前呢接下來進來的這個初短基金的申請案件上面我們應該都要有一些統計數 |
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也就是說我們是不是可以透過一些統計可能是年齡的統計或是性別統計或者是說他是單團體或是個人等等的我們要做一個詳盡的資訊去了解我們有沒有跨出同溫層也就是這個追蹤的機制這個部分也希望一併建立那一併在報告上面詳述好嗎因為我們目前只有金額啦但我想委員的建議我們可以我們可以再做對對對我們會盡進 |
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對因為我們希望就是說除了金額之外我們還是希望跨出圈嘛對不對出圈這件事情就需要做一些統計嘛那瞭解我們到底有沒有出圈那沒有出圈我們到底要怎麼來改進所以這需要一些統計的數字那最後一件事情就是說就是有關於檔案局這個政黨所持有的檔案 |
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目前我從這個114年的轉型正義的這個成果報告在截止到去年12月31號我看到就在政治檔案的政黨所持有的檔案上面我們是已經有提議喊請國民黨提出檔案但是在12月的時候我們要辦理實地調查的時候國民黨說他們沒有辦法配合那上面的說明是告訴我們說115年的1月會繼續調查那我不曉得這個繼續調查是什麼樣子的形式是不是可以簡單說明一下 |
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基本上我們從114年的9月到115年2月我們都多次的喊請國民黨提出檔案及配合到庫房的調查但他們都一直以說他們有選舉的理由一直在延遲這樣子所以我們現在目前的情況就是說我們會再做最後一次的發函假如說他們還沒有不配合的話那我們會開始思考就是說採取所謂的行政法 |
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我想這件事情非常的急迫最主要就是說這批檔案過去已經有傳出泡水發霉重鑄等等的這種劣化的情況甚至只有用垃圾袋分裝隔離那保存的環境非常非常的惡劣那如果我們再不積極及時的介入的話我們這些檔案可能都會受損那這些受損的檔案可能會影響到我們對於威權歷史的理解也會 |
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也會讓對於這個責任的歸屬釐清也會受到影響所以我們是不是在這個檔案局局長是有什麼對這件事情是有什麼我跟他在想說我們什麼時候發函那個局長是跟我講說那個公文已經跨到我這邊所以我借到公文的話我大概就會開始做處理了 |
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好 所以我剛剛聽到是說我們在會發最後一次函預計是在什麼時候會發最後一次函呢大概是近期大概是這個禮拜這個禮拜會發函那這個函 這個沒有因為其實在促轉條例我們是可以強制的到我們是可以到縣地做調查的我想這個應該是非常清楚的所以我是希望我們可以有更積極的作為那這個發函的時候是不是也可以付本給我們讓我們知道 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張雅琳委員 葉主委跟局長先回座下一件事情請郭國文委員謝主席有請葉俊賢主委請國安會葉主委 |
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那去年南溪地震重創台南的山區的發展那雖然左鎮他這個區域沒有說受到太大影響但整個山區現階段還在屬於一個恢復的階段 |
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那本席在這邊提醒您在2018年的時候國發會有將這個佐政因為是一個極端的一個部落然後人口不斷地老化把它列為重點的一個示範基地 |
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那當初做了這層公園之後呢 後續呢我們又延續了化學園區然後後來又舉辦了佐證的這個夜市或燈會等等慢慢的到現在為止 本席呢就最新的資料調查 這人口的這個增減率的部分已呈現正成長 |
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在114年的時候是1.28%以全國的這個生不如死的一個總體人口的減少的情況底下這樣的偏鄉的成長是代表政策有一定的正面的效果但是這種正面的效果呢不得不我們去面對說當初呢只是一個單點的一個概念卻沒有一個現狀的發展 |
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那現狀的發展其實在山區以台20線作為一個軸線的情況底下用南北串聯的概念再加上山區的一個地震的情況底下如何讓他快速的恢復其實國會角色其實非常關鍵非常重要那本席就 |
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12176.545 |
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就我的了解文化部的部分有投入相關的一個經費當中我能不能請那個主委就這個部分的政策從文化部轉而接棒這個發動那國化部有沒有可能再次的一個加持讓這個整個地方創生達到這一個成倍的效果主委這個部分我們會跟那個文化部這邊來來協調跟演繹看看就是說有沒有可能就文化部現有的組 |
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體制的那個百億基金裡面提出一個計畫然後配合我們國發會這邊地方創生然後一起把這樣的一個文創啊這些把它帶出來就是除了文化部之外國發會當中有的要如何再加碼然後由上由下延伸然後再加上地方齊備我們當初還有一些問題我們還要去面對我還是一直接手在處理你這層公園你看公園來說台南市政府是不承認它是公園 |
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你們當初說弄一個公園結果台南市政府到現在不承認所以本席在接手的時候接手二期三期四期相關部會協調的時候就變得很吃力啊所以我請主委特別注意一下這個案子好不好我們那個會後會請同仁跟對找文化部也好找地方政府也好 |
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然後找你既有在負責地方創生的同仁也好來統合一下新的一個一個加持一個版本地方創生的2.0來告知本席接下來要怎麼做好不好各位第二個部分呢那個本席也特別看到國會會有一個關鍵戰略前瞻能源的規劃而這個規劃當中把生殖能的部分的多元發展放在一個比較重要的位置甚至呢你把累積的裝置的這一個能量也計算出來 |
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預期呢地熱的部分可以高達到192mW然後呢生殖能的部分是1329mW結束這種情況底下你可以看得出來你們對生殖能的期待更高可是你相對於上位的全國的氣候變遷會議的時候或者是下位的整個那個能源署的計畫當中 |
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生殖能是偶爾提到而已欸或者是了備一格欸根本沒有一個具體的目標欸這個相關的能源政策應該上中下要有所串聯才對啊 主委如果你對生殖能有此這樣的期待的話你更應該去加強溝通跟協調那本席為什麼一直在強調生殖能呢因為生殖能還可以解決農廢的問題啊它可以一間多僱啊 |
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而且他還可以達到這個綠電那個比例的一個增加像一些早氣發電啊對啊等等啊這些類似這一種生殖能的部分應該是做放在重點當中的重點反而是聊貝殼主委你這個關鍵性的角色很重要你要怎麼處理這個問題啊 |
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我們會跟經濟部能源署那邊來討論就是說關於這個生殖能這個部分的話有沒有可能有一個比較一致性的一個政策我問過好幾次了 沒有而且這個生殖能的部分其實是值得推廣的本席還甚至把它找到一個示範點可是示範點當中它只是初步的協助之後後面就 |
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沒有消息了所以那個主委你站在一個國務法會主委的高度我希望你把生的食能作為未來的你所謂的前瞻的一個概念一個能源政策2.0的概念當中放在一個比較重要的位置予以重視這真的可以解決農廢之外很多問題之外又可以增加綠電的比例然後正的情況底下的能源政策其實是比較完整的把這一塊把它拼圖把它拼起來好不好主委然後 |
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12406.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
事後你跟相關的部會協調完之後也麻煩你到我辦公室我們再做一併的討論好不好沒問題好謝謝葉主任好謝謝各位謝謝郭文綺的壓軸質詢來主委先回座下一位陳北宇陳北宇陳北宇不在何志祥何志祥何志祥不在林德福林德福林德福不在林世民林世民林世民不在徐欣盈徐欣盈徐欣盈不在林楚瑩林楚瑩林楚瑩不在還有嗎沒有沒有來好 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
12408.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
12432.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
報告完畢登記發言委員除不在場者之外趨距發言完畢詢答結束為委員徐信英跟羅志祥所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢及未提答後部分請相關單位於一周內以書面答後並複製本會委員另要求期限者從其所定本日所列議程處理完畢謝謝大家 散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
12435.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
12437.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
來 請各位早點回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
12471.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
12471.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
這碗的,這碗的這個,這個應該好這個給我好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
12506.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
12506.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
MING PAO CANADA MANGA |